27/07/2016

:00:09. > :00:09.Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:10. > :00:21.Terror in France, the man who murdered a French priest was being

:00:22. > :00:24.monitored by Security Services. President Hollande is holding talks

:00:25. > :00:27.with religious leaders to discuss It's an army scandal

:00:28. > :00:30.that won't go away - the deaths of four young recruits

:00:31. > :00:32.at Deepcut Barracks. Their families disagree

:00:33. > :00:34.with findings of suicide and, amid claims of bullying

:00:35. > :00:36.and abuse, are pushing We speak to Stewart Thompson

:00:37. > :00:40.who says he had a nervous breakdown What would you do if your feared

:00:41. > :00:44.your child was being radicalised? Children's charity the NSPCC has set

:00:45. > :00:47.up a helpline that will give parents Hello, welcome to the programme,

:00:48. > :01:02.we're live until 11 this morning. Do get in touch on all

:01:03. > :01:04.the stories we're talking about this morning -

:01:05. > :01:06.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:01:07. > :01:11.at the standard network rate. It's emerged one of the men

:01:12. > :01:15.who murdered a catholic priest in Normandy yesterday

:01:16. > :01:20.was being monitored by police. Adel Kermiche was wearing

:01:21. > :01:23.a surveillance tag but it was switched off every morning as part

:01:24. > :01:27.of the conditions of his probation. The 19-year-old and a fellow

:01:28. > :01:29.attacker stormed the church in a suburb of Rouen,

:01:30. > :01:31.during morning Mass. President Francois Hollande

:01:32. > :01:33.is meeting religious leaders this morning to discuss the wave

:01:34. > :01:38.of Islamist terror attacks. On the steps of the town hall

:01:39. > :01:44.in the quiet suburb of Rouen, local people lit candles

:01:45. > :01:51.and left flowers last night. They were remembering the local

:01:52. > :01:53.priest, Fr Jacques Hamel, His killers, who took members of

:01:54. > :01:59.the congregation hostage, seriously injuring one, were

:02:00. > :02:02.shot dead by police. One of them has been named

:02:03. > :02:04.as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche, As police searched his

:02:05. > :02:09.parents' house, where he lived, officials revealed

:02:10. > :02:12.he was arrested twice last year trying to reach Syria

:02:13. > :02:16.to join so-called IS. He spent time in prison,

:02:17. > :02:19.but was released on probation That kept him under

:02:20. > :02:25.virtual house arrest. But French prosecutors said

:02:26. > :02:27.the attack occurred during a period each

:02:28. > :02:29.morning when the tag TRANSLATION: He told us

:02:30. > :02:39.he tried to go to Syria twice, once through Switzerland,

:02:40. > :02:42.then through Turkey, but he failed. We tried to bring him to his senses,

:02:43. > :02:50.but every time we did he was This terror attack in a French

:02:51. > :02:56.Catholic church has brought renewed advice from UK police chiefs for

:02:57. > :02:58.places of worship to review their The National Police Chiefs Council

:02:59. > :03:05.says while there is no specific intelligence

:03:06. > :03:07.relating to attacks here, it has issued security advice

:03:08. > :03:09.to Christian places of Our correspondent Adam

:03:10. > :03:28.Fleming is in Rouen. How are people reacting to this

:03:29. > :03:37.latest attack? People are kind of going about their morning routine,

:03:38. > :03:40.buying bread and visiting the supermarkets, most of which were

:03:41. > :03:48.closed yesterday. But look at the newspaper people are waking up to,

:03:49. > :03:53.the regional newspaper, the Horror, above a picture of police leaving

:03:54. > :04:01.the church after that attack that happened almost exactly 24 hours

:04:02. > :04:07.ago. Last night people were leaving candles, notes and flowers and

:04:08. > :04:14.they're growing those tributes and a few steps away, outside the home of

:04:15. > :04:18.Father Jaques Hamel, tributes from neighbours and a note saying you

:04:19. > :04:23.were a wonderful priest. People are still shocked about what happened

:04:24. > :04:28.and I think the big political and security implications that they're

:04:29. > :04:32.discussing in Paris haven't sunk in, in the local community. What are the

:04:33. > :04:39.security implications? France has been on a state of emergency for

:04:40. > :04:42.some time, what more can the French authorities do in terms of

:04:43. > :04:50.reassuring people about security? That is what is being discussed at a

:04:51. > :04:56.meeting in Paris, being chaired by Francois Hollande. He is speaking to

:04:57. > :05:04.his cabinet, having spoken to his security advisors, we don't expect

:05:05. > :05:08.any big announcements or changing to security arrangement that have been

:05:09. > :05:11.there for a few months. There is a state of emergency and the

:05:12. > :05:16.authorities have more powers to detain people and a huge extra

:05:17. > :05:21.number of armed police and military personnel. There is a political

:05:22. > :05:27.discussion about whether that state of emergency should be extended and

:05:28. > :05:30.the big political issue is that the security organisations here knew

:05:31. > :05:37.about at least one of the attackers from yesterday, the 19 named as

:05:38. > :05:42.Adele Kermiche. He had tried to travel to Syria twice last year and

:05:43. > :05:48.failed and been returned twice. He was imprisoned for a bit and then

:05:49. > :05:52.released on condition he wore an electronic tab and abided by a

:05:53. > :05:56.curfew. That curfew did not cover breakfast time to lunch time and the

:05:57. > :06:01.tag was switched off then, that meant he could carry out the attack

:06:02. > :06:06.here. President Francois Hollande had a meeting with faith leaders to

:06:07. > :06:10.send a message that this was an attack on all of France, not just

:06:11. > :06:16.the Catholic church. I have been sent details about what happened. A

:06:17. > :06:22.representative of the French council of Muslim faith spoke of his grief

:06:23. > :06:26.and disbelief about what happened and he suggested there might be

:06:27. > :06:30.reforms required to the institutions of Islam in France. What that means,

:06:31. > :06:35.we don't know. It will be interesting to see what the Muslim

:06:36. > :06:42.community says. A representative from the Catholic church said the

:06:43. > :06:45.harmonious relationship between the faiths in France is important and we

:06:46. > :07:00.can't let Islamic State play their political games on us. I'm hearing

:07:01. > :07:04.that the city of St Etienne devouf ray opened an advice centre that

:07:05. > :07:09.will remain open today. Now the rest of the day's news.

:07:10. > :07:11.The overtime bill for hospital consultants has risen by more

:07:12. > :07:21.A BBC investigation has found that one doctor earned an extra ?375,000

:07:22. > :07:25.Here's our health correspondent Dominic Hughes.

:07:26. > :07:33.Once this was carried out by a consultant.

:07:34. > :07:37.If they were working overtime that was expensive.

:07:38. > :07:41.Now, it is done by nurses, keeping finances under control,

:07:42. > :07:47.freeing up consultants to treat complex cases.

:07:48. > :07:50.The main benefit is as an organisation we have less

:07:51. > :07:54.financial pressure because we don't have to pay a premium pay rates.

:07:55. > :08:00.Working together, we can solve some tricky problems

:08:01. > :08:04.Many other hospitals face a rising bill for consultant payments.

:08:05. > :08:06.Across the UK extra overtime cost ?168 million last year,

:08:07. > :08:13.an increase of one third in two years.

:08:14. > :08:18.One doctor made nearly ?375,000 in 12 months at a trust

:08:19. > :08:21.where a shortage of consultants means a heavy workload.

:08:22. > :08:24.There is too much demand and there are not enough

:08:25. > :08:27.consultants, so what you're trying to do is ask a workforce already

:08:28. > :08:34.stretched beyond its limit to do even more.

:08:35. > :08:38.It is simply an effect of too much demand and too few consultants.

:08:39. > :08:41.The changes in place at Wigan demonstrate it is possible to cut

:08:42. > :08:48.NHS managers hope negotiations on a new contract for consultants

:08:49. > :08:59.We're being warned about a possible spike in immigration to the UK

:09:00. > :09:02.in the lead-up to Britain's withdrawal from the European Union.

:09:03. > :09:04.MPs on the Home Affairs Committee are urging the government

:09:05. > :09:08.to set a cut-off date for when EU citizens in the UK would be

:09:09. > :09:13.Here's the committee's chairman Keith Vaz.

:09:14. > :09:20.The possibility of a surge will be very real.

:09:21. > :09:23.And, at the end of the day, you will be dealing with people

:09:24. > :09:26.who arrive in this country in good faith but who are then told

:09:27. > :09:35.The pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline has

:09:36. > :09:36.announced it's investing two-hundred-and-seventy-five million

:09:37. > :09:38.pounds in its existing UK sites - potentially creating

:09:39. > :09:45.GSK had warned before the EU referendum that Brexit would be "bad

:09:46. > :09:51.However it now says the UK remains an attractive location.

:09:52. > :09:54.Hillary Clinton has become the first woman to be nominated for US

:09:55. > :09:58.She was endorsed by the Democrats at their National Convention

:09:59. > :10:01.There were protests by supporters of the defeated

:10:02. > :10:04.But former President Bill Clinton said his wife was the "best

:10:05. > :10:17.This was a night of electrifying moments and powerful emotions.

:10:18. > :10:21.State delegates casting their votes in the roll call.

:10:22. > :10:27.Georgia delegates are proud to cast 29 votes for Senator Bernie Sanders.

:10:28. > :10:34.And 87 votes for the next president of the United

:10:35. > :10:41.Official business became deeply personal for many.

:10:42. > :10:49.And I move that Hillary Clinton be selected as the

:10:50. > :10:56.nominee of the Democratic party for president of the United States.

:10:57. > :11:00.Senator Sanders says move in the spirit of unity.

:11:01. > :11:03.To suspend the rules and nominate Hillary Clinton

:11:04. > :11:11.by acclamation as the presidential candidate of the

:11:12. > :11:19.Hillary is uniquely qualified to seize the

:11:20. > :11:25.opportunities and reduce the risks we face, and she is still the best

:11:26. > :11:33.The energy and enthusiasm here tonight

:11:34. > :11:38.are a huge relief to Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party.

:11:39. > :11:41.It took a lot of work to get here, but this is

:11:42. > :11:45.the show of unity they were hoping for.

:11:46. > :11:48.Thanks to you and to everyone who has fought so hard to make this

:11:49. > :11:50.possible. This is really your victory,

:11:51. > :11:57.The convention continues, but Mrs Clinton is ready

:11:58. > :12:08.One of Mrs Clinton's supporters at the convention

:12:09. > :12:11.was the actress Meryl Streep, who began her speech by convention,

:12:12. > :12:20.starting her speech by letting out a scream on the podium.

:12:21. > :12:28.But we are not hearing anything there! But she went on to praise

:12:29. > :12:31.women and Mrs Clinton saying it takes grit and grace to be the fist

:12:32. > :12:34.female anything. Counsellors working for the NSPCC

:12:35. > :12:37.are being trained to help parents who fear their children

:12:38. > :12:39.are being radicalised. The charity says it's

:12:40. > :12:41.received a number of calls It's advisers are being primed

:12:42. > :12:46.to spot the warning signs if a youngster is risk such

:12:47. > :12:49.as isolating themselves and talking The mother-in-law of Formula One

:12:50. > :12:53.boss Bernie Ecclestone is reported The criminals are said

:12:54. > :12:59.to be demanding a ransom 67-year-old Aparecida Schunck,

:13:00. > :13:07.the mother of Mr Ecclestone's third wife, was seized from her home

:13:08. > :13:10.in the city of Sao Paulo on Friday. There's been no comment

:13:11. > :13:13.from Mr Ecclestone or his wife, Police in Brazil are releasing few

:13:14. > :13:16.details, saying the situation Two people were hurt

:13:17. > :13:22.when an unmarked police car on an emergency call crashed

:13:23. > :13:25.into customers sitting outside The vehicle and another

:13:26. > :13:28.car had collided One man suffered non-life

:13:29. > :13:31.threatening injuries, while a woman was treated

:13:32. > :13:33.for minor injuries. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:13:34. > :13:53.News - more at 9.30. Now some sad breaking news from

:13:54. > :13:57.South Wales police that a four-year-old boy has died in a

:13:58. > :14:06.house fire in the early hours of this morning.

:14:07. > :14:08.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:14:09. > :14:11.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:14:12. > :14:21.Doping cases will be fast tracked at the Olympic Games after the Court

:14:22. > :14:24.of Arbitration for Sport announced it will open offices in Rio to deal

:14:25. > :14:30.For the first time at a games, it will hear cases and appeals,

:14:31. > :14:34.and have the power to impose sanctions.

:14:35. > :14:36.Speaking to the BBC the Russian whistleblower Yuliya Stepanov,

:14:37. > :14:38.who was banned for doping before exposing state sponsored doping

:14:39. > :14:52.in Russia, outlined the pressure athletes are put under to dope.

:14:53. > :14:59.You didn't really have a choice. If you wanted to be a member of the

:15:00. > :15:03.national team, if you wanted to compete internationally, that's the

:15:04. > :15:10.only way the coaches and sports officials in athletics were offering

:15:11. > :15:16.to you, was the use of doping. I guess on a bigger picture, did you

:15:17. > :15:17.have a choice? Yes, you do have a choice, either you follow the system

:15:18. > :15:21.or you leave the system. Roger Federer is out

:15:22. > :15:22.of the Olympics. He has a knee injury which means

:15:23. > :15:26.he won't play again this season. The world number three says he needs

:15:27. > :15:32."more extensive rehabilitation" The 34-year-old was last seen

:15:33. > :15:35.at Wimbledon when he lost British number one Johanna Konta

:15:36. > :15:42.is through to the second round of the Rogers Cup in Montreal

:15:43. > :15:45.after a straight-sets win over The 25-year-old,

:15:46. > :15:48.who won her first WTA Tour title on Sunday,

:15:49. > :15:51.claimed victory in one hour and 21 The world number 14 will play

:15:52. > :15:55.American Vania King Argentina striker Gonzalo Higuain

:15:56. > :16:03.has become the third most expensive footballer in history -

:16:04. > :16:06.signing for Juventus from Napoli Higuain's 36 goals last

:16:07. > :16:14.season helped Napoli Gareth Bale at ?85million

:16:15. > :16:19.and Cristiano Ronaldo at ?80million pounds are the only

:16:20. > :16:25.more expensive players. Juventus might get more money back

:16:26. > :16:44.with the world record sale But the huge amount of money. That

:16:45. > :16:46.is all the sport, more at 9:30pm -- 9:30am.

:16:47. > :16:48.It was supposed to be the start of a promising military career,

:16:49. > :16:51.but for four young recruits at Deepcut barracks, it ended

:16:52. > :16:56.The deaths happened between 1995 and 2002, amid claims

:16:57. > :17:02.Whilst the Army treated all of the deaths as suicides,

:17:03. > :17:04.each of the families disagreed, leading to the families pushing

:17:05. > :17:11.In a moment we'll meet Stewart Thompson

:17:12. > :17:14.who was at Deepcut during that time and says the bullying he witnessed

:17:15. > :17:20.But first let's remind ourselves what happened at Deepcut.

:17:21. > :17:22.Over the years, thousands of army recruits have gone through

:17:23. > :17:26.Deepcut Barracks in Surrey for their basic army training.

:17:27. > :17:31.Between 1995 and 2002, four young army recruits

:17:32. > :17:33.died from gunshot wounds in unexplained circumstances at

:17:34. > :17:40.They were 20-year-old Sean Benton, 18-year-old Cheryl James,

:17:41. > :17:46.17-year-old Geoff Gray and another 17-year-old, James Collinson.

:17:47. > :17:50.The deaths came amid claims of widespread abuse and bullying at

:17:51. > :17:55.The army treated all of the deaths as suicides, but each of the

:17:56. > :18:00.The families pushed to have a fresh inquest into

:18:01. > :18:04.In February of this year, there was a second inquest

:18:05. > :18:08.Last month it concluded she took her own

:18:09. > :18:12.life, but acknowledged there was a highly sexualised culture at

:18:13. > :18:17.There were also serious failings in the care and supervision

:18:18. > :18:22.A recent ruling means there may be a fresh inquest into

:18:23. > :18:36.Stewart Thompson was only 20 years old when he was at Deepcut

:18:37. > :18:41.He was there at the same time as Private Sean Benton who died

:18:42. > :18:43.of five gunshot wounds to his chest in 1995.

:18:44. > :18:45.After leaving the military, Stewart began to suffer flashbacks

:18:46. > :18:48.and underwent four months of therapy to help deal with the trauma

:18:49. > :18:51.He's never spoken about what he experienced until now

:18:52. > :18:58.and is with us today for his first ever interview.

:18:59. > :19:09.Thank you very much for coming and talking about what happened. Take us

:19:10. > :19:14.back, first of all, to when you arrived at Deepcut, a 20-year-old

:19:15. > :19:20.recruit, presumably optimistic about what your future might be in the

:19:21. > :19:30.Army. We arrived full of hope and excited. I think the issue for

:19:31. > :19:35.recruits was, the place felt like at the motion when it should have felt

:19:36. > :19:41.like an elevation. It was labelled as second phase training, you

:19:42. > :19:44.deserved to be there, you'd gone through basic training, but it was

:19:45. > :19:50.far more difficult and that was unsettling for a lot of people. They

:19:51. > :19:59.did not cope well with it and it was very difficult. When I compare the

:20:00. > :20:05.first regime to the regime at Deepcut, it was far more brittle,

:20:06. > :20:10.the brutality was insidious. Whereas before, if you made a mistake you

:20:11. > :20:15.were punished and you expected that. Looking at pictures of you when you

:20:16. > :20:21.arrived at Deepcut. Six years after that, you had a breakdown and you

:20:22. > :20:25.put it down to what you experienced at Deepcut. You were talking about

:20:26. > :20:30.the brutality you experienced and how it was different to what you had

:20:31. > :20:37.experienced before. Why was it you pinpointed in that period for the

:20:38. > :20:41.breakdown? It happened when I was at university in the early to

:20:42. > :20:49.thousands. At that point, it started to appear more in the media -- the

:20:50. > :20:53.early 2000s. I had not thought about it for years, I started having

:20:54. > :20:58.nightmares about it, winking about the people I have met, I was not

:20:59. > :21:08.targeted personally, I was very fit, one of the fittest there. But the

:21:09. > :21:14.problem was a lot of people were targeted and they were bullied and

:21:15. > :21:17.they were targeted by the instructors, singled out, people

:21:18. > :21:22.came to my room, a lot of the younger recruits, the kids there

:21:23. > :21:29.were 17, 18, some of them could not look after themselves. Personal

:21:30. > :21:33.hygiene was an issue for them. People came to my room to ask for

:21:34. > :21:38.help. It was a crazy period, literally people were hiding under

:21:39. > :21:45.the bed is to escape the instructors. They would do anything

:21:46. > :21:51.to escape from the regime. I include myself, I was a squaddie at the same

:21:52. > :22:00.time as Sean Benton because I failed my category C licence. That was

:22:01. > :22:04.driving? It was a driving course. I was sent back to Deepcut in March so

:22:05. > :22:12.I spent almost six months there. A long time. It was that second time

:22:13. > :22:20.when I arrived back there in March, the regime had changed, it was

:22:21. > :22:24.harder, I didn't know anybody there. It was the kind of place where you

:22:25. > :22:29.did not make friends with people very easily because everybody was

:22:30. > :22:34.paranoid. So, Sean died later of gunshot wounds and we will talk more

:22:35. > :22:40.about him in a moment but first, tell us exactly the sort of things

:22:41. > :22:42.you saw. You said you were not personally picked out for

:22:43. > :22:52.ill-treatment but you saw it going on. What were the worst things you

:22:53. > :22:58.saw? We got pulled out of her bed at midnight, you had to wear your smart

:22:59. > :23:03.uniform, you were put on parade at 1am for no apparent reason, and it

:23:04. > :23:07.was during some of those parades that some of the instructors

:23:08. > :23:15.physically hits and abused recruits for no reason. Things like that

:23:16. > :23:20.happened in the 70s and 80s but by the time it got to the 90s, I

:23:21. > :23:25.believed the military had changed and instructors were not allowed to

:23:26. > :23:31.touch recruits, but it did happen at Deepcut and I witnessed it. It

:23:32. > :23:34.happened to several people. When you go from military training you

:23:35. > :23:41.expected to be difficult. What was it that crossed the line between

:23:42. > :23:48.that and something you and others found much harder and darker to deal

:23:49. > :23:54.with? I think it was, as I touched on at the beginning, because it was

:23:55. > :23:59.second phase training a lot of people were confused. The first one

:24:00. > :24:05.was difficult but you expected that. It is military training, it is not

:24:06. > :24:16.supposed to be easy. You expect that. The Deepcut facility was built

:24:17. > :24:23.up to be a place of education, which it was, and this place of promise

:24:24. > :24:28.and promotion, but it was not like that, you were often treated like...

:24:29. > :24:32.You were dehumanised, no identity, no freedom. Not allowed to leave the

:24:33. > :24:39.camp during the week. You could only leave it at the weekends unless you

:24:40. > :24:42.were on guard duty. There were no locks so anybody could walk in at

:24:43. > :24:48.any time so it was a completely different atmosphere. That confused

:24:49. > :24:52.people because you expected it to be a better place because it was the

:24:53. > :24:56.place where you were sent to learn your job. Some of the things that

:24:57. > :25:03.have emerged previously in an independent review into the deaths

:25:04. > :25:09.have included things like an instructor riding a bicycle over a

:25:10. > :25:14.recruit, because they were too fat, trainees having razor blades put in

:25:15. > :25:20.their boots, individuals being slapped, kicked or punched. What

:25:21. > :25:24.about the other things? I did not see any other things like that. It

:25:25. > :25:31.was insidious because it was unexpected, the instructors singled

:25:32. > :25:37.out people, they did it privately in rooms, often a lot of people were

:25:38. > :25:41.not there. The violence and brutality was very controlled and

:25:42. > :25:46.calculated, this is why you've probably had different versions from

:25:47. > :25:52.different people. We all experienced something very differently. For me,

:25:53. > :26:02.it got so bad that I had a small group of friends, and we locked each

:26:03. > :26:07.other in cupboards. It was the only place they could not access because

:26:08. > :26:10.it was your private property. You had the key so you could only locket

:26:11. > :26:19.from the outside. We will block each other in the cupboard. -- lock it. I

:26:20. > :26:26.literally spent hours in one because we had an agreement to take it in

:26:27. > :26:31.turns. Why would you do that? It was to escape the daily activities,

:26:32. > :26:34.which were meaningless. At the first facility, doing the basic training,

:26:35. > :26:39.everything was systematic and there was a reason for everything, whether

:26:40. > :26:44.it was physical training, on the Rangers, learning to use a rifle,

:26:45. > :26:50.nuclear, chemical, biological warfare. At Deepcut it was not like

:26:51. > :26:53.that. During the day you would have a parade early in the morning then

:26:54. > :26:58.people would split into different groups, some people would be washing

:26:59. > :27:02.clothes, some would-be peeling potatoes, some would be cutting

:27:03. > :27:07.grass, others would be doing physical training, others would just

:27:08. > :27:12.be messed about on parade, guard duty, cleaning rifles. It had no

:27:13. > :27:18.meaning to it, it was completely chaotic and psychologically it was

:27:19. > :27:23.tiring and mentally it was tiring so, we would hide in the ceiling at

:27:24. > :27:27.the top, the rafters, you could climb up and put them back and the

:27:28. > :27:32.instructors could not find you. There were only a few people there.

:27:33. > :27:36.Doing something like that is extreme but when you're talking about the

:27:37. > :27:46.daily duties which sound more mundane than anything, it is hard to

:27:47. > :27:51.understand why that led to such an extreme reaction. Can you go back to

:27:52. > :27:58.the state of mind you were feeling at that time and that everybody else

:27:59. > :28:02.was feeling around you. Were you aware you were buckling under

:28:03. > :28:13.pressure? I don't think so because we were very young, and people did

:28:14. > :28:19.not understand, they expected and tolerated it because it was the

:28:20. > :28:23.military. It was only years later that you started to think, that was

:28:24. > :28:29.not right, it was strange, even at the time it did not feel right but

:28:30. > :28:34.you were in so much stress and could not really speak to anybody. The

:28:35. > :28:45.first time I arrived it was slightly easier because I arrived with

:28:46. > :28:49.friends from my group, but when I was sent back and arrived at the cut

:28:50. > :28:59.I did not know anybody. There was one other person, there was only two

:29:00. > :29:06.of us left. It was paranoia, you were isolated, did not know people

:29:07. > :29:11.and could not trust people, some of the recruits bleed other recruits as

:29:12. > :29:15.well. Much of it was about team-building and if you made a

:29:16. > :29:25.mistake the instructors punished everybody in the group. It was to

:29:26. > :29:30.foster team-building. Often the recruits that struggled for bullied

:29:31. > :29:38.by other recruits. They would either push them to leave the army order to

:29:39. > :29:45.improve -- or to improve. I mentioned you were there at the same

:29:46. > :29:47.time as Sean Benton. An inquest recorded a verdict of suicide,

:29:48. > :29:54.though his family have questioned that and are in the process of

:29:55. > :30:00.trying to get a second inquest. The report that looked at what had been

:30:01. > :30:03.going on at Deepcut by Nicholas Blake QC concluded there was no

:30:04. > :30:11.evidence that Sean had been bullied before his death nor that he had

:30:12. > :30:16.complained of it. Any over harsh discipline to which he may have been

:30:17. > :30:24.subjected did not cause him to take his life. Do you accept that? Not at

:30:25. > :30:27.all. I disagree. I did not know her on a personal level but I knew him

:30:28. > :30:35.well because we were there at the same time. In a weird sense, we had

:30:36. > :30:40.parallel lives because we both were sent to another facility at the same

:30:41. > :30:48.time, we failed the category C licence, sent back to Deepcut. I

:30:49. > :30:59.witnessed Sean being singled out and he was constantly punished, often

:31:00. > :31:02.for no reason evidently. Even his reputation preceded him. You could

:31:03. > :31:08.see them walking across the field running across the field with an

:31:09. > :31:10.instructor shouting behind him. I watched him, the way his personality

:31:11. > :31:27.changed from when I first met him. He changed. Ncht In fact I spoke to

:31:28. > :31:36.him before his death and he was a come laetly different person. He w

:31:37. > :31:39.stuttering in his speech. I can't remember the conversation, but I

:31:40. > :31:43.remember him complaining and he was angry and stressed and criticising

:31:44. > :31:49.the trainers and he changed as a person. So I don't accept the

:31:50. > :31:55.inquest report that he wasn't bullied. I think it contributed to

:31:56. > :31:59.his death. You didn't talk about your experiences at Deepcut for a

:32:00. > :32:05.long time. You had a break down six years on. You spoke earlier about

:32:06. > :32:16.what triggered that, it was seeing it being talked about around you.

:32:17. > :32:20.Why didn't you talk about it? It was a difficult subject to talk about.

:32:21. > :32:26.Even at Deepcut you didn't really share what you were going through,

:32:27. > :32:30.because you couldn't, you were in that environment where you couldn't

:32:31. > :32:37.really speak to anybody F you spoke about it, it should show weakness

:32:38. > :32:45.and you would be exposed. You were a recruit and you had to be tough and

:32:46. > :32:50.there wasn't anybody to speak to. Certainly six or seven years later,

:32:51. > :32:56.it was... It was hard for me to talk about. It was something I didn't

:32:57. > :33:00.want to share with other people. I didn't want to burden them. By that

:33:01. > :33:04.time we had issues in Afghanistan, the war in Afghanistan had kicked

:33:05. > :33:09.off and Iraq was starting to start as well. So it just didn't seem

:33:10. > :33:13.appropriate to talk about it at that point. Because there were soldiers

:33:14. > :33:19.being killed in Afghanistan and things like that. So I just bottled

:33:20. > :33:27.it up and... You know I had the break down. You have said nothing

:33:28. > :33:33.you dit was as -- did was as bad as Deepcut. You went to the front line?

:33:34. > :33:43.Yes, I was logistics and ended up being sent to an ammunition depot in

:33:44. > :33:52.Warwickshire and I served in the war in Bosnia and Germany. So Deepcut

:33:53. > :33:59.was worse than Bosnia? But, it seems odd to say, Bosnia was great, you

:34:00. > :34:04.had great time, you were treated with respect and professionally, you

:34:05. > :34:08.know, my job was ammunition supply specialist. So it was, that was a

:34:09. > :34:14.great career, but Deepcut was different. It was like a prison. It

:34:15. > :34:21.was a completely different place. Would you like there to be a public

:34:22. > :34:31.inquiry? Yes. I can... Looking in hind sight, I ups I understand the

:34:32. > :34:37.instructors were short staffed and had issues, but that doesn't justify

:34:38. > :34:41.it. There were some instructors said they had the recruits' best

:34:42. > :34:46.interests at heart. But I don't accept that. I witnessed them being

:34:47. > :34:53.bullied for no reason, or they were... Forced to do things that

:34:54. > :34:58.didn't have a reason. Some might say if you can't sort of deal with the

:34:59. > :35:03.really tough regime, maybe you shouldn't be in the military. What

:35:04. > :35:08.would you say to that? Yes, I can accept that. People make mistakes

:35:09. > :35:13.and you're told to stand to attention and put your back against

:35:14. > :35:21.the wall and carry heavy items or you're doing press ups. That is

:35:22. > :35:25.fine. Per bright was difficult. But Deepcut was like a demotion and it

:35:26. > :35:33.should have been an elevation. You were treated worse than you were at

:35:34. > :35:39.in basic training. Some of the kids that were there, were 17 or 18,

:35:40. > :35:43.psychologically for them to feel they were demoted and dehumanised

:35:44. > :35:49.was psychologically difficult to deal with. If that was how the

:35:50. > :35:58.regime was planned, then it doesn't make sense to me. At all. Kylie said

:35:59. > :36:10.the bravery of Stewart this morning is admirable. Another says I'm ex-a

:36:11. > :36:13.Stewart should be listened to. Another says I'm sympathetic, but

:36:14. > :36:20.the pressure would be higher on the front line. Trevor said I did my

:36:21. > :36:26.basic training at Deepcut and some bullying, but plenty of us get

:36:27. > :36:30.through it OK. I got through it OK. Just because you cope that doesn't

:36:31. > :36:37.necessarily mean that inside you're coping. Out wardly people are fine

:36:38. > :36:44.but you might not be. I was great. I had a good military career. I left

:36:45. > :36:50.the military with a great record. But it was, the regime was brutal

:36:51. > :36:55.and it was... It was unaccountable. It didn't seem normal. I can accept

:36:56. > :37:01.yeah, it's got to be difficult, this is thousand front line is -- how the

:37:02. > :37:06.front line is. But there were four deaths there. There needs to be an

:37:07. > :37:10.inquest into those. As far as I'm aware, they were not the inquests at

:37:11. > :37:17.the time were not conducted properly. There have been inquests

:37:18. > :37:20.and a subsequent inquest into one death and potentially another will

:37:21. > :37:23.be re-opened. Thank you for coming in and joining us.

:37:24. > :37:26.Well, we asked the Ministry of Defence for their response

:37:27. > :37:30."General Sir Nick Carter, the head of the Army,

:37:31. > :37:33.has publicly committed to improving the Army's culture to ensure

:37:34. > :37:35.that the Army is demonstrably inclusive, that it respects

:37:36. > :37:44.difference and is a beacon of equality of opportunity."

:37:45. > :37:46.Still to come: The BBC reveals NHS consultants are racking up

:37:47. > :37:48.thousands in overtime, one doctor pocketed an extra

:37:49. > :37:54.?375,000 last year on top of their salary.

:37:55. > :37:56.As France suffers yet another Islamist terror attack -

:37:57. > :37:58.we'll speak to people living in the country

:37:59. > :38:16.President Francois Hollande will meet religious leaders this

:38:17. > :38:18.morning to discuss the wave of Islamist terror

:38:19. > :38:22.It's emerged that one of the attackers who killed

:38:23. > :38:25.an 85-year-old Catholic priest at his church in Rouen had been

:38:26. > :38:27.wearing an electronic tag, but it was turned off

:38:28. > :38:35.Churches in the UK have been warned by police to review

:38:36. > :38:50.The UK product has combroun by 6%. We will get more on this with our

:38:51. > :38:53.business correspondent. Spending on high-cost overtime has

:38:54. > :38:56.risen by more than a third One doctor in Lancashire

:38:57. > :38:59.made an extra ?375,000 in high-cost overtime on a shortage

:39:00. > :39:10.of consultants amid rising demand. The Department of Health wants

:39:11. > :39:13.to tackle the issue by renegotiating Hillary Clinton has become the first

:39:14. > :39:20.woman in US history to be nominated She was endorsed by

:39:21. > :39:35.the Democrats at their National There were protests from the

:39:36. > :39:38.supporters of the defeated candidate.

:39:39. > :39:40.We're being warned about a possible spike in immigration to the UK

:39:41. > :39:43.in the lead-up to Britain's withdrawal from the European Union.

:39:44. > :39:45.MPs on the Home Affairs Committee are urging the government

:39:46. > :39:49.to set a cut-off date for when EU citizens in the UK would be

:39:50. > :39:54.Counsellors working for the NSPCC are being trained to help parents

:39:55. > :39:55.who fear their children are being radicalised.

:39:56. > :39:58.The charity says it's received a number of calls

:39:59. > :40:01.It's advisers are being primed to spot the warning signs

:40:02. > :40:04.if a youngster is risk such as isolating themselves and talking

:40:05. > :40:18.A four-year-old boy has died in a house fire in south Wales. The

:40:19. > :40:26.emergency services were called this morning. The boy's mother and sister

:40:27. > :40:29.managed to escape. Police are investigating the cause of the

:40:30. > :40:31.blaze. That is a summary of the latest news. More at 10 o'clock.

:40:32. > :40:36.Thank you. Now the sport with John. For the first time doping

:40:37. > :40:39.cases will be heard at an Olympic games by the court

:40:40. > :40:42.of arbitration for sport. They've taken the step

:40:43. > :40:44.to open offices in Rio, in light of the ongoing doping

:40:45. > :40:46.crisis in Russian Sport, so that they can issue

:40:47. > :41:00.sanctions and hear appeals. The governing bodies offencing and

:41:01. > :41:04.gymnastics are cleared the Russian teams to appear in Rio. We will have

:41:05. > :41:08.more on this at 10 o'clock. Roger Federer is out of the Olympics

:41:09. > :41:12.- The World Number Three has a knee injury which means he wont

:41:13. > :41:14.play again this season. He said he needs more extensive

:41:15. > :41:29.rehabilitation if he wants The British No 1 Johanna Konta is

:41:30. > :41:45.through to the next round in Montreal. The sing Thank you. See

:41:46. > :41:51.you later. In the last few minutes the latest

:41:52. > :41:55.GDP - or Gross Domestic Product - What these stats show

:41:56. > :41:58.is whether there's been any increase in the total value of the goods

:41:59. > :42:03.and services we provide. It was expected that the economy

:42:04. > :42:06.would have grown by 0.4% in the second quarter of this year

:42:07. > :42:09.compared to the first. So that's April, May and June

:42:10. > :42:11.compared to January, These numbers, however,

:42:12. > :42:14.only have a week's worth of data post the UK voting

:42:15. > :42:16.to leave the European Union. Our Business Correspondent Ben

:42:17. > :42:20.Thompson is here to simplify Firstly, what are

:42:21. > :42:34.the latest figures? 0.6% for the the three months to the

:42:35. > :42:38.end of June. It is better than we thought and better than the quarter

:42:39. > :42:42.before. So that tells us a few things. It says is all the fear

:42:43. > :42:47.about whether we were putting off making decisions is, businesses were

:42:48. > :42:55.not hiring, the economy was not growing in the run up to the

:42:56. > :42:59.referendum is not really true. It is not great as a figurers but better

:43:00. > :43:05.than the quarter before and it suggests that businesses were not as

:43:06. > :43:10.worried about the referendum as many said. It shows which parts of the

:43:11. > :43:18.economy were growing. The services sector, that is our biggest part of

:43:19. > :43:23.the economy, grew by half a 1%. Manufacturing grew by 2%. It is good

:43:24. > :43:31.news for factories that are making things. But construction fell a bit

:43:32. > :43:36.by 0.4% and agriculture was down by 1% F you put them together it gives

:43:37. > :43:40.that figure of growth of 0.6% and suggests things are better before

:43:41. > :43:48.the referendum than many would have us believe. But we just had one week

:43:49. > :43:54.of post Brexit reality. So sit will probably be worth looking at the

:43:55. > :44:00.next set of figures. What does this picture indicate about what we can

:44:01. > :44:05.expect going forward? It is interesting, it tells us whether we

:44:06. > :44:09.are facing the future out side Europe from a position of strength

:44:10. > :44:14.or weakness. We are in a better condition, the economy is stronger

:44:15. > :44:18.than we thought. So things are looking better. But it also gives us

:44:19. > :44:21.an indication about what the Bank of England and the Government might be

:44:22. > :44:25.thinking. We know we have reined back from the austerity policies

:44:26. > :44:29.from the previous Chancellor and things could look different. But

:44:30. > :44:33.interest rates too, the Bank of England held off cutting interest

:44:34. > :44:37.rates a couple of weeks ago, because they said it wasn't clear what the

:44:38. > :44:44.effect on the economy was of the vote. A lot of expectation is next

:44:45. > :44:50.week, it could vote to lower interest rates to a quarter of 1%.

:44:51. > :44:55.We will still have to wait and see. Is it less likely based on these

:44:56. > :45:01.figures? Yes, the debate in the City is it is a lagging indicator, and we

:45:02. > :45:05.want to look forward f you cut interest rates, it takes three month

:45:06. > :45:11.force that to have an effect what. The Bank of England will be doing is

:45:12. > :45:15.take account of what we have seen and they will be thinking, if they

:45:16. > :45:20.cut interest rates next week, it will take three months to affect the

:45:21. > :45:25.money in our pockets and they are juggling a lot of things. We should

:45:26. > :45:30.say it is just the initial view of GDP and it is based on a small

:45:31. > :45:36.amount of data and as time goes on we have more data and it could be

:45:37. > :45:40.the figure is revised, but we are paying attention to us, because it

:45:41. > :45:44.gives us an indication of what position we are in Thank you. trusts

:45:45. > :45:47.Coming up: trusts What would you do if you feared your child

:45:48. > :45:51.Children's charity, the NSPCC, has set up a helpline that will give

:45:52. > :46:07.As President Hollande meets religious leaders of different

:46:08. > :46:09.faiths to discuss the way forward after the latest in a wave

:46:10. > :46:11.of Islamist terror attacks in France, the world

:46:12. > :46:14.at the murder of a priest celebrating mass.

:46:15. > :46:18.It's the latest way the country has been targetted in what seems to be

:46:19. > :46:24.this morning, a French Muslim leader has deplored the murder of the

:46:25. > :46:26.priest, saying it went against all the teachings of Islam.

:46:27. > :46:28.Sister Danielle, a nun who was in the church in Rouen

:46:29. > :46:29.when yesterday's attack happened described

:46:30. > :46:45.It was fear, especially when they entered. When I saw them, I said to

:46:46. > :46:50.myself, that's it, it is over. They were so motivated, they told me, you

:46:51. > :46:57.Christians, you kill us. Jack had just celebrated his Mass. They took

:46:58. > :47:03.his place and started preaching in Arabic. They forced him to kneel and

:47:04. > :47:09.told him not to move. He loved all people, regardless of religion. That

:47:10. > :47:12.is all I can say. A faithful priest who loved everybody.

:47:13. > :47:16.has suffered a series of shocking militant attacks.

:47:17. > :47:20.In January 2015, gunmen opened fire at the offices of the satirical

:47:21. > :47:25.A Jewish supermarket was later attacked -

:47:26. > :47:31.In June last year, a man was beheaded by a militant,

:47:32. > :47:34.who then tried, unsuccessfully, to blow up a a gas plant

:47:35. > :47:39.Last November - a series of gun and bomb attacks

:47:40. > :47:42.took place in Paris at several restaurants and at the Bataclan

:47:43. > :47:48.A month ago, an off-duty police officer

:47:49. > :47:51.and his wife were stabbed to death at their home in the

:47:52. > :47:54.suburb of Magnanville, to the West of the capital.

:47:55. > :47:58.a Tunisian national drove a lorry into crowds who'd gathered to watch

:47:59. > :48:09.84 people died, several of them children.

:48:10. > :48:11.Peter Chesley is an English expat living in Nice,

:48:12. > :48:13.who was on the promenade when the attacker

:48:14. > :48:18.Then in Paris we have the French journalist Anne-Elisabeth Moutet

:48:19. > :48:24.and also in Paris is Mahruk Arif, a Muslim student and Father Aidan

:48:25. > :48:30.Troy from St. Joseph's Church.

:48:31. > :48:40.Thank you all for joining us. It had emerged that one of the men

:48:41. > :48:45.suspected of killing the priest was actively being monitored by the

:48:46. > :48:50.security services, was wearing a tag but it had been switched off in the

:48:51. > :49:08.morning. How are people reacting to that news? I think she has frozen.

:49:09. > :49:13.I'm not sure she can hear me. Let's go... Politicians have said this

:49:14. > :49:21.latest attack is an attempt by extremists to stir up religious war

:49:22. > :49:30.in France. How are you feeling? We are all afraid to live in such a

:49:31. > :49:37.world. The Muslims here, the French population as a whole, they are

:49:38. > :49:45.feeling bad because the terror attacks have multiplied. We feel we

:49:46. > :49:50.are not living in a safe environment anymore. The president has said it

:49:51. > :49:57.is vital that people Remain united in the face of efforts to divide

:49:58. > :50:03.them. Do you feel like there's an atmosphere of solidarity? I think

:50:04. > :50:11.there's a strong sense of unity in France especially from civil

:50:12. > :50:14.society. What we've seen, I belong to the Muslim community and what we

:50:15. > :50:28.have done on a personal scale is we've gone to those places and put

:50:29. > :50:39.flowers, should solidarity with the victims. -- we have showed. Peter,

:50:40. > :50:42.you were there in Nice when the Bastille Day attack happened. Every

:50:43. > :50:51.time there is something else I guess it hits you possibly harder than

:50:52. > :50:59.anybody caught up in something previously, even harder. Yes. There

:51:00. > :51:04.have been so many attacks in France recently, it has been quite bad

:51:05. > :51:12.here, and obviously being personally involved in the Nice attack was

:51:13. > :51:19.pretty bad. I can now understand the people that go through these kinds

:51:20. > :51:30.of events around the world. When the Prime Minister came to Nice, he was

:51:31. > :51:36.booed. There was anger because extra security was turned down for the

:51:37. > :51:41.Bastille Day celebrations but also the person who drove the truck was

:51:42. > :51:46.on the radar. Do you feel confident that everything that is being done

:51:47. > :51:56.to keep people safe is being done? I don't know too much about what

:51:57. > :52:03.France could have done to prevent this. If they should have done more.

:52:04. > :52:12.A lot of people in Nice are angry that not enough was done, there were

:52:13. > :52:17.some major weaknesses in the security. On the other hand, I'm

:52:18. > :52:25.quite impressed by how quickly they reacted, the French police reacted

:52:26. > :52:29.to this. The police eventually shot the guy and stopped more things

:52:30. > :52:37.happening. I think there are pros and cons to security like this, more

:52:38. > :52:48.could be done and I just hope they learn from this and they don't make

:52:49. > :52:53.the same mistakes. What are the authorities looking at in terms of

:52:54. > :52:59.what the security should be? There has been a state of emergency in

:53:00. > :53:09.France for some time now. There is a state of emergency and they can

:53:10. > :53:17.search they are nights -- they can search homes all the time, but what

:53:18. > :53:26.do you do when you have got a list of 11,000 people, 2000 of whom are

:53:27. > :53:35.supposed to be in contact with Islamic State? How can you watch

:53:36. > :53:41.them all? In the case of the killer of the priest, even though he was

:53:42. > :53:51.under what, how can you detect that he is suddenly going to take this

:53:52. > :53:55.step and go on to a murderous spree? That being said, the people are

:53:56. > :54:05.understandably angry and I think they want more measures to be taken.

:54:06. > :54:15.You are at a church in Paris. How do you react to this? My reaction is

:54:16. > :54:20.one of total sadness for the priest, his family, his parishioners, all

:54:21. > :54:27.those people who've lost a great friend and a great colleague, it is

:54:28. > :54:32.just shocking. That is all you can say. Do you think there should be

:54:33. > :54:39.greater security measures around churches? I think there has to be

:54:40. > :54:43.greater security after yesterday, but I heard your previous

:54:44. > :54:49.contributors, it is true, you cannot guaranteed total security. I was a

:54:50. > :54:58.priest in Belfast during some heavy conflict. You can only do so much.

:54:59. > :55:05.You need to make a radical decision, either you can stay open, but

:55:06. > :55:14.closing down for any community is just not an option. I feel we have

:55:15. > :55:24.to work closely together and do more. But it is important. I

:55:25. > :55:29.honestly believe you cannot have total security. Are you fearful that

:55:30. > :55:41.there is an attempt to stalk a religious war? I think, I am a

:55:42. > :55:55.little bit cautious about going down the language of war. Where I am, we

:55:56. > :56:05.will be encouraging... We have lost the line there. The connection keeps

:56:06. > :56:17.dropping out. What would you like the authorities to do to make people

:56:18. > :56:29.feel safe? They have done what ever they could, we've had the emergency

:56:30. > :56:37.state extended. What more can you do? It is true that you cannot

:56:38. > :56:39.detect somebody who has been radicalised, but still, the

:56:40. > :56:45.population wants to be safe and feel safe so maybe the alternative and

:56:46. > :56:53.the way forward is to be found within civil society and those small

:56:54. > :56:57.acts of kindness. When Muslim people join question people and build

:56:58. > :57:07.interfaith harmony. That is how we can look forward to a more peaceful

:57:08. > :57:17.society. How much scrutiny is there of the history in France and why it

:57:18. > :57:21.is in this situation? It would be a mistake to say that you need to look

:57:22. > :57:28.at the history of France or any other Western nation and ask what

:57:29. > :57:34.happened? People say, Muslims are rejected and not integrated but if

:57:35. > :57:44.you look, they are as integrated as you can be. His mother is a teacher,

:57:45. > :57:51.a civil servant, they are happy family, they live in the

:57:52. > :57:57.countryside, outside the ghettos. This is blaming the victim, it is

:57:58. > :58:03.saying it is your fault if you are getting raped because your skirt is

:58:04. > :58:07.too short. Nothing justifies the acts of terror that we are seeing.

:58:08. > :58:10.There is a will imposed on France from outside France, there is a will

:58:11. > :58:16.imposed on Europe from outside Europe. We must keep the

:58:17. > :58:20.cohesiveness of society but never start asking ourselves what we have

:58:21. > :58:26.done. We have not done anything. Thank you for joining us. Do let us

:58:27. > :58:27.know your thoughts on that and everything else we are talking

:58:28. > :58:40.about. Coming up later... That was four years ago today.

:58:41. > :58:44.Exactly four years since the opening ceremony of the London Olympics.

:58:45. > :58:53.Martin Green, the man in charge of that, talks to us. Now the weather.

:58:54. > :59:01.Good morning. If you're wondering whether he has gone -- where the

:59:02. > :59:06.heat has gone, it is the other side of the Atlantic, touching 100

:59:07. > :59:15.Fahrenheit in New York. It is very humid and sticky. The heat wave in

:59:16. > :59:22.the West is different, it is much drier and it leads to wildfires. We

:59:23. > :59:31.seen those raging in California. Very to control because the heat

:59:32. > :59:37.generates wind patterns. This wind pattern is coming in off the

:59:38. > :59:45.Atlantic. The Atlantic is bringing cloud, and some rain. The heavier

:59:46. > :59:54.rain is out over the North Sea. We could spark off some heavy showers.

:59:55. > :00:07.For most of us it is improving. Cloud and rain and a pleasant day to

:00:08. > :00:14.come in the north-east of Scotland. As it brightens up after that

:00:15. > :00:19.earlier rain in the south-east, we could see potentially thundery

:00:20. > :00:24.showers. A lot of places are dry. For most of the country it will be a

:00:25. > :00:28.sunny end to the day. Still a chance of a little rain wandering into the

:00:29. > :00:31.North of Scotland. The next series of rain coming in from off the

:00:32. > :00:36.Atlantic arriving into Northern Ireland later on into the night.

:00:37. > :00:39.Probably a fresh start to the day tomorrow with some sunshine across

:00:40. > :00:43.eastern areas but in the West we've got cloud and rain, quite a wet

:00:44. > :00:53.start. Coming into western parts of England and Wales, Sherry rain --

:00:54. > :01:01.showers pushing in. It will be wet for southern Scotland. We should

:01:02. > :01:06.have some sunshine and showers. This area of low pressure is bringing

:01:07. > :01:10.this wet weather. Sunshine and showers. This weather front is

:01:11. > :01:14.focusing on some heavy showers for southern counties on Friday. Into

:01:15. > :01:17.the weekend, we will have that north-westerly breeze, it will mean

:01:18. > :01:19.some colder nightspot in the sunshine it will still feel warm. --

:01:20. > :01:26.cold nights. It is Wednesday, it is 10 o'clock,

:01:27. > :01:36.welcome to the programme. Coming up: Terror in France -

:01:37. > :01:38.religious leaders there are calling for tougher security at places

:01:39. > :01:40.of worship after the murder One of the killers was supposed

:01:41. > :01:45.to be under security monitoring. Stewart Thompson was a soldier

:01:46. > :01:48.at a training barracks where four young recruits took their lives -

:01:49. > :01:51.he says what he witnessed at Deepcut led him to have a nervous

:01:52. > :01:53.breakdown and that nothing was as bad as his time there -

:01:54. > :02:05.he told us his story For me, it got so bad I had small

:02:06. > :02:13.group of friends and we used to lock each other in cupboards, the

:02:14. > :02:16.cupboard was in Deep was the only place the instructors couldn't

:02:17. > :02:21.access and it had a lock and you had a key. You could only lock it from

:02:22. > :02:25.the outside and we would lock each other in the cupboard. I spent hours

:02:26. > :02:33.in the dark in a cupboard that one of the others had locked me in. We

:02:34. > :02:38.had an agreement to take it in turns.

:02:39. > :02:41.of that interview back on our programme page.

:02:42. > :02:44.What would you do if you feared your child was being radicalised?

:02:45. > :02:47.The Children's charity, the NSPCC, has set up a helpline that will give

:02:48. > :02:58.It's emerged one of the men who murdered a catholic priest

:02:59. > :03:00.in Normandy yesterday was being monitored by police.

:03:01. > :03:03.Adel Kermiche was wearing a surveillance tag but it was

:03:04. > :03:06.switched off every morning as part of the conditions of his probation.

:03:07. > :03:09.The 19-year-old and a fellow attacker stormed the church

:03:10. > :03:12.in a suburb of Rouen, during morning Mass.

:03:13. > :03:14.President Francois Hollande is meeting religious leaders this

:03:15. > :03:16.morning to discuss the wave of Islamist terror attacks.

:03:17. > :03:26.On the steps of the town hall in the quiet suburb of Rouen,

:03:27. > :03:29.local people lit candles and left flowers last night.

:03:30. > :03:31.They were remembering the local priest, Fr Jacques Hamel,

:03:32. > :03:37.His killers, who took members of the congregation hostage, seriously

:03:38. > :03:41.injuring one, were shot dead by police.

:03:42. > :03:43.One of them has been named as 19-year-old Adel Kermiche,

:03:44. > :03:50.As police searched his parents' house, where he

:03:51. > :03:52.lived, officials revealed he was arrested twice last year

:03:53. > :03:56.trying to reach Syria to join so-called IS.

:03:57. > :03:58.He spent time in prison, but was released on probation

:03:59. > :04:04.That kept him under virtual house arrest.

:04:05. > :04:07.But French prosecutors said the attack occurred

:04:08. > :04:09.during a period each morning when the tag

:04:10. > :04:17.TRANSLATION: He told us he tried to go to Syria

:04:18. > :04:20.twice, once through Switzerland, then through Turkey, but he failed.

:04:21. > :04:24.We tried to bring him to his senses, but every time we did he was

:04:25. > :04:31.This terror attack in a French Catholic church has brought renewed

:04:32. > :04:34.advice from UK police chiefs for places of worship to review their

:04:35. > :04:42.The National Police Chiefs Council says while there is no

:04:43. > :04:43.specific intelligence relating to attacks here,

:04:44. > :04:45.it has issued security advice to Christian places of

:04:46. > :05:12.Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the run up to the leaving of the EU.

:05:13. > :05:14.The overtime bill for hospital consultants has risen by more

:05:15. > :05:19.A BBC investigation has found that one doctor earned an extra ?375,000

:05:20. > :05:25.Hospitals have blamed a shortage of consultants and rising demand.

:05:26. > :05:27.The Department of Health says it will work to make changes

:05:28. > :05:36.to consultant contracts in order to reduce overtime bills.

:05:37. > :08:30.A former soldier who trained at Deepcut barracks at the time that

:08:31. > :08:40.their athletics -- only their Athletic lets team faces a blanket

:08:41. > :08:50.ban. Russian sports minister said he has received a letter from Sebastian

:08:51. > :08:54.Coe saying the exclusion of Russian athletes cannot be reversed.

:08:55. > :08:56.Roger Federer is out of the Olympics.

:08:57. > :08:59.He has a knee injury which means he won't play again this season.

:09:00. > :09:03.The world number three says he needs "more extensive rehabilitation"

:09:04. > :09:05.if he wants to prolong his record-breaking career.

:09:06. > :09:07.The 34-year-old was last seen at Wimbledon when he lost

:09:08. > :09:11.British number one Johanna Konta is through to the second

:09:12. > :09:14.round of the Rogers Cup in Montreal after a straight-sets win over

:09:15. > :09:17.The 25-year-old, who won her first WTA

:09:18. > :09:20.Tour title on Sunday, claimed victory in one hour and 21

:09:21. > :09:26.The world number 14 will play American Vania King

:09:27. > :09:32.Argentina striker Gonzalo Higuain has become the third most expensive

:09:33. > :09:34.footballer in history - signing for Juventus from Napoli

:09:35. > :09:37.Higuain's 36 goals last season helped Napoli

:09:38. > :09:57.Gareth Bale at ?85 million and Cristiano Ronaldo

:09:58. > :09:59.at ?80 million are the only more expensive players.

:10:00. > :10:02.Juventus might get more money back with the world record sale

:10:03. > :10:22.That is all the sport for now. What do you think of Clint getting the

:10:23. > :10:28.first nomination to be in the final two in that race for the presidency

:10:29. > :10:32.of America. Get in touch with us. If you text you will be charged at the

:10:33. > :10:35.standard network rate. The NSPCC's helpline counsellors

:10:36. > :10:38.have been trained by terrorism experts to help parents

:10:39. > :10:40.who are worried about their children The service will support

:10:41. > :10:43.parents who have concerns about their children or who need

:10:44. > :10:45.advice on how to talk We speak to Khadijah Kamara,

:10:46. > :10:49.whose son was radicalised in Brighton and later died in Syria

:10:50. > :11:00.fighting for Al Qaeda. An NSPCC councillor that has been

:11:01. > :11:11.trained by the Home Office, Why is the NSPCC getting involved in

:11:12. > :11:15.this? It is important to us that in our ultimate aim is to protect

:11:16. > :11:19.children from all forms of abuse and to do that, we have to be aware of

:11:20. > :11:24.new concerns that are affecting children and young people. We know

:11:25. > :11:28.extremism is a concern for people and that children and young people

:11:29. > :11:34.are being affected and we consider it a form of abuse, because of the

:11:35. > :11:38.danger it can place them in. Counsellors have had training what,

:11:39. > :11:44.is the training, the Home Office has been involved? Yes the Home Office

:11:45. > :11:47.provided training around helping our staff to understand what

:11:48. > :11:55.vulnerabilities can lead to some children and young people becoming

:11:56. > :12:01.involved in extremist activity. And helping us to think about how we can

:12:02. > :12:09.support any adult who is concerned, but particularly parents. I said

:12:10. > :12:15.that your son went to Syria from Brighton. Yes. He was killed in

:12:16. > :12:23.September 2014. Did you, were you aware that he was being radicalised

:12:24. > :12:26.at home? No, because that was a new thing in Brighton we never had

:12:27. > :12:33.things like that. The way it happened with the boys that left

:12:34. > :12:38.Brighton was very fast, before even the authorities will know. They just

:12:39. > :12:44.say signs that you will not think about, that you will ignore. Until

:12:45. > :12:48.after it happens and you start thinking back and say, oh, this was

:12:49. > :12:54.something, this was saying something. When you look back now,

:12:55. > :13:09.what are the signs that you can see? The signs, the first signs is

:13:10. > :13:15.withdrawal and... Being more practical and looking down at other

:13:16. > :13:18.Muslims as if they're not Muslims enough, they're not practicing

:13:19. > :13:28.enough and things like that. And going out a lot. Going out a lot.

:13:29. > :13:31.And that I'm talking from my perspective, you will call and you

:13:32. > :13:38.hardly get them on the phone and things like that. Those are the

:13:39. > :13:44.signs saw from him and getting angry when you, like when my son sold me

:13:45. > :13:50.he wants to go to Syria to go and help, I said each time, the three

:13:51. > :13:58.times I speak spoke to him, he said he is listening to someone and

:13:59. > :14:01.because they were... The word radicalisation was not quite

:14:02. > :14:04.familiar, I just say, I didn't even know about that, I said you're

:14:05. > :14:09.listening to someone and they would get angry if you mentioned that and

:14:10. > :14:14.things and they would be in denial that they were going to war. You

:14:15. > :14:19.were obviously concerned about him going to Syria and you didn't renew

:14:20. > :14:23.his passport to try to stop him going? Yes. Do you think that

:14:24. > :14:28.actually you could have done anything to stop him? No, first of

:14:29. > :14:32.all I think that you know if you will not travel without a passport

:14:33. > :14:40.and there were no clear sign, it is just hints that I have given you and

:14:41. > :14:45.totally it wasn't... Like how it's gone now like a lot of kids going.

:14:46. > :14:50.That was the beginning. It wasn't something that people were really

:14:51. > :14:55.aware of and things like that and even we parents. If somebody like

:14:56. > :15:03.this came to you with what you're hearing now, what would you be able

:15:04. > :15:09.to be say? I think one of signs that she talked about, we know that young

:15:10. > :15:13.people as they become teenagers may develop more radical views and

:15:14. > :15:17.looking for independence and developing their own thinking and

:15:18. > :15:20.individually and so for us it is important to support parents and

:15:21. > :15:25.exploring that with their children and we want to promote open

:15:26. > :15:29.conversations between children and parents about this and encouraging

:15:30. > :15:34.parents to understand why children have begun to feel a certain way,

:15:35. > :15:38.what is it that is kind of affecting them, that kind of sense of not

:15:39. > :15:45.belonging to a community oar that sense of isolation.

:15:46. > :15:51.Are you convinced that conversations like that would turn somebody's mine

:15:52. > :15:58.once they've been radicalised? What we want to do is identify people who

:15:59. > :16:03.are at risk of becoming involved in this and help parents take early

:16:04. > :16:09.action to prevent them becoming early victims of radicalisation. We

:16:10. > :16:13.will look at whether we need to support parents and share

:16:14. > :16:18.information with agencies. What is the practical advice you would give

:16:19. > :16:21.them? We are talking about the type of children who will be susceptible,

:16:22. > :16:28.how does any parent know what to look for? We need to look for the

:16:29. > :16:33.signs, that have been mentioned. That is once somebody has been

:16:34. > :16:36.radicalised. To prevent that happening? Signs that children are

:16:37. > :16:44.becoming isolated, withdrawn, at the early stages. Those are signs of

:16:45. > :16:48.vulnerability and it is at that stage that it is important to talk

:16:49. > :17:01.to the children. Was he a boy who seemed like somebody who might have

:17:02. > :17:12.vulnerability? No. The only thing I will say, he was a normal boy, very

:17:13. > :17:18.soft-hearted. We went through a lot. That's why I was speaking to her a

:17:19. > :17:22.lot. Before they become radicalised, what happened before that? We've got

:17:23. > :17:27.to go to the root cause of the problems. They must have gone

:17:28. > :17:31.through things that make them listen to any kind of person that tells

:17:32. > :17:38.them to feel that way and then they believe that person. In my case, he

:17:39. > :17:44.was beaten up after having an operation. We moved 11 times because

:17:45. > :17:54.of racial harassment and things like that. My second son was called names

:17:55. > :18:00.in a job centre and was almost hit with a handset, and I was told, why

:18:01. > :18:05.am I even using the public forum, I am not from this country. The worst

:18:06. > :18:12.of all is you tell authorities and you tell your children, don't take

:18:13. > :18:15.the law into your hands, complain when something happens. They

:18:16. > :18:20.complain and they tell you and you complain and nothing is done about

:18:21. > :18:25.it. They go like this and later, they will not listen to you because

:18:26. > :18:31.you become part of not fulfilling your promise by saying, don't take

:18:32. > :18:38.the law into your hands, seek justice. They don't seek justice.

:18:39. > :18:49.This is one of the root causes of the problem before we even go to how

:18:50. > :18:55.they get designs in these things. Louise is talking about the NSPCC

:18:56. > :18:58.wanting parents to go to the NSPCC, and talk about their concerns. Is

:18:59. > :19:04.that something you would have done or would you have gone to the

:19:05. > :19:11.police? I would have done that but I think this is not an issue, once

:19:12. > :19:21.they've been radicalised, even at an early stage, to deactivate them, it

:19:22. > :19:26.starts from the root cause. If there is little thing happens to them

:19:27. > :19:30.while they are growing up, if they have the sense of belonging and like

:19:31. > :19:38.they are integrated, most of these things will be prevented. That's why

:19:39. > :19:44.I'll see it is not just on one side, it is the job of the nation. -- I

:19:45. > :19:50.will say. One group like appearance or the authorities cannot do it by

:19:51. > :19:54.themselves. It gone out of hand. We've got to do the right thing if

:19:55. > :20:04.we want to save the kids. Thank you both very much. Still to come.

:20:05. > :20:07.Meryl's thrilled, but why isn't the rest of America as excited

:20:08. > :20:12.about finally having a female candidate for the presidency -

:20:13. > :20:21.An investigation by BBC News has found that hospitals increasingly

:20:22. > :20:30.rely on premium overtime pay to get consultants to do extra work.

:20:31. > :20:32.One doctor in Lancashire earned an extra ?375000

:20:33. > :20:36.Hospitals blame the rising overtime bill on a shortage of consultants -

:20:37. > :20:39.but ministers say the way doctors are paid must change.

:20:40. > :20:48.Our Health Correspondent Nick Triggle is here.

:20:49. > :20:55.?375,000 over a year is obviously a huge amount. Talk is through that.

:20:56. > :21:01.An astonishing amount and that is above their normal salary. This

:21:02. > :21:12.doctor was doing many hours of overtime. We've looked at it across

:21:13. > :21:19.the UK and it appears two thirds of hospitals are paying at least one

:21:20. > :21:32.consultant over ?50,000 a year in overtime. This is a problem across

:21:33. > :21:44.the NHS. We did not look at consultants doing overtime and

:21:45. > :21:55.getting normal rates. It appears half these consultants are getting

:21:56. > :22:04.these rates. Is the situation going to be look that to try and bring

:22:05. > :22:08.down the bill? It would require more full-time staff, presumably. We

:22:09. > :22:12.spoke to hospitals about why they are spending this money on overtime,

:22:13. > :22:16.after all, it would pay for consultants. They said there was a

:22:17. > :22:20.shortage of consultants in many areas and they could not get doctors

:22:21. > :22:25.employed on full-time contracts to do the work. They said this was

:22:26. > :22:30.happening at the time when there was rising patient demand and pressure

:22:31. > :22:33.to meet targets. A lot of these shifts are done to reduce the

:22:34. > :22:41.waiting list than they say these issues have to be tackled. Are they

:22:42. > :22:47.going to put limits, are there are limits on what an individual can

:22:48. > :22:51.earn? The government in England is in the process of trying to

:22:52. > :22:55.renegotiate the consultant contract. They say one of the problems is the

:22:56. > :22:59.contract allows doctors to opt out of the weekend care for routine

:23:00. > :23:02.work, and this has allowed the profession to negotiate higher rates

:23:03. > :23:06.for overtime related to routine care. That is knee and hip

:23:07. > :23:13.operations and even some cancer care. Talks are ongoing with the

:23:14. > :23:17.British Medical Association and they say if they can get rid of that opt

:23:18. > :23:19.out it might reduce the overtime rates but the British Medical

:23:20. > :23:24.Association insist this is more of an issue of a shortage of doctors

:23:25. > :23:27.and if you reduce the overtime rates they may not do the work and then

:23:28. > :23:40.hospitals will be left with a problem. Thank you very much.

:23:41. > :23:50.This morning we been hearing about a soldier at Deepcut. After leaving

:23:51. > :23:53.the military he began suffering flashbacks and underwent therapy to

:23:54. > :23:57.deal with the trauma. He's never spoken about what he experienced

:23:58. > :24:04.until now and in his first ever interview he spoke about the culture

:24:05. > :24:08.of fear. It was unexpected. I think the instructors singled out people.

:24:09. > :24:14.They did it privately in rooms, often when people were not there.

:24:15. > :24:22.The violence and brutality was very controlled and calculated. This is

:24:23. > :24:28.why you've probably had different versions, we all experience

:24:29. > :24:32.something differently. For me, it got so bad that I had a group of

:24:33. > :24:41.friends and we literally used to lock each other in cupboards, which

:24:42. > :24:46.was literally the only place instructors could not access. You

:24:47. > :24:51.could only rocket from the outside so we would lock each other in the

:24:52. > :25:00.cupboard. I literally spent hours in the dark, in a cupboard, and we had

:25:01. > :25:04.an agreement to take it in turns. Why would you do that? It was to

:25:05. > :25:11.escape the daily activities, which were meaningless. In basic training,

:25:12. > :25:17.everything was systematic and there was a reason for everything, whether

:25:18. > :25:22.it was physical training, on the Rangers, learning to use a rifle,

:25:23. > :25:26.chemical warfare, there was a programme to follow. But at Deepcut

:25:27. > :25:31.it was not like that. During the day you'd have a parade in the morning

:25:32. > :25:35.and then people would split into different groups, some people would

:25:36. > :25:39.be washing clothes, some would-be peeling potatoes, some would be

:25:40. > :25:43.cutting grass. Physical training. Others would just be messing about

:25:44. > :25:50.on parade, guard duty, cleaning rifles. It had no meaning. It was

:25:51. > :26:00.completely chaotic and it was psychologically tiring and mentally

:26:01. > :26:06.tiring so we would hide in the ceiling, you could claim into the

:26:07. > :26:12.rafters. You were at Deepcut at the same time as Sean Benton, who died

:26:13. > :26:15.of five gunshot wounds to his chest. An inquest recorded a verdict of

:26:16. > :26:28.suicide though his family have questioned that. The report that

:26:29. > :26:31.looked at what had been going on at Deepcut by Nicholas Blake QC

:26:32. > :26:40.concluded there was no evidence that Sean Benton had been bullied or

:26:41. > :26:43.complained about bullying. Any harsh discipline to which he may have been

:26:44. > :26:52.subjected did not cause him to take his life. Do you accept that? Not at

:26:53. > :26:56.all. I disagree. Why not? I did not know shone on a personal level, but

:26:57. > :27:00.I knew him well because we were there at the same time -- did not

:27:01. > :27:06.know Sean Burton. In a weird sense we had parallel lives, we were both

:27:07. > :27:09.sent to one facility at the same time, we both feel the category C

:27:10. > :27:18.licence and were sent back to Deepcut. But I witnessed him being

:27:19. > :27:29.singled out, and he was constantly punished, often for no reason. Even

:27:30. > :27:35.his reputation preceded him. You could see him walking across the

:27:36. > :27:45.field with an instructor behind him. I watched his personality change.

:27:46. > :27:54.When I first met him, do when I saw him in May, he changed. I spoke to

:27:55. > :27:59.him in the glucose, maybe five, six weeks before his death and he was

:28:00. > :28:04.completely different. -- in the cook house. He was nervous. I cannot

:28:05. > :28:10.remember what took place in the conversation but I remember him

:28:11. > :28:14.complaining and he was angry and stressed and he was criticising the

:28:15. > :28:25.trainers and he changed as a person inside. That was Stuart Thomson

:28:26. > :28:28.speaking to me earlier. Still to come...

:28:29. > :28:30.Today marks four years since the opening ceremony

:28:31. > :28:33.of the London Olympic Games in 2012 - Martin Green, the man

:28:34. > :28:43.in charge of that opening spectacular, joins us.

:28:44. > :28:54.Don't you love those? James Gordon's carpool karaoke is driving off in a

:28:55. > :29:01.new direction. We will have the full story later in the show.

:29:02. > :29:05.President Francois Hollande is meeting religious leaders this

:29:06. > :29:07.morning to discuss the wave of Islamist terror

:29:08. > :29:12.one of the attackers who killed an 85-year-old Catholic priest

:29:13. > :29:15.at his church in Rouen - had been wearing an electronic tag,

:29:16. > :29:20.but it was turned off under his probation conditions.

:29:21. > :29:23.Churches in the UK have been warned by police to review their

:29:24. > :29:28.Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the three months leading up

:29:29. > :29:31.to the vote to leave the European Union.

:29:32. > :29:34.Figures from the Office for National Statistics show output

:29:35. > :29:37.was 2.2% higher than the previous year.

:29:38. > :29:39.The economy was boosted by the biggest increase

:29:40. > :29:47.The overtime bill for consultants in UK hospitals has risen by more

:29:48. > :29:53.An investigation by the BBC has found that one doctor earned

:29:54. > :30:00.Hospitals have blamed a shortage of consultants and rising demand.

:30:01. > :30:03.The Department of Health says it will work to make changes

:30:04. > :30:09.to consultant contracts in order to reduce overtime bills.

:30:10. > :30:12.Hillary Clinton has become the first woman in US history to be nominated

:30:13. > :30:18.She was endorsed by the Democrats at their National

:30:19. > :30:22.But there were protests from supporters of the defeated

:30:23. > :30:32.The French former commissioner Michel Barnier has been appointed

:30:33. > :30:34.as the European commission's chief negotiator for the Uk's

:30:35. > :30:38.Michel Barnier was a commissioner from 2010 to 2014, in charge

:30:39. > :30:41.European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has described

:30:42. > :31:00.Counsellors working for the NSPCC are being trained to help parents

:31:01. > :31:01.who fear their children are being radicalised.

:31:02. > :31:03.The charity says it's received a number of calls

:31:04. > :31:07.Its advisers are being primed to spot the warning signs

:31:08. > :31:10.if a youngster is risk such as isolating themselves and talking

:31:11. > :31:21.The IAAF President Sebastian Coe has told Russian Sports

:31:22. > :31:23.Minister Vitaly Mutko the blanket ban on track and field

:31:24. > :31:28.The governing bodies of fencing and gymnastics have

:31:29. > :31:31.cleared the Russian teams to compete in Rio.

:31:32. > :31:34.That takes the number of Russian sports that won't face any

:31:35. > :31:38.Roger Federer is out of the Olympics.

:31:39. > :31:41.The World Number Three has a knee injury which means he won't

:31:42. > :31:45.He said he needs more extensive rehabilitation if he wants

:31:46. > :31:49.British number one Johanna Konta is through to the second

:31:50. > :31:52.round of the Rogers Cup in Montreal after a straight sets win over

:31:53. > :32:01.And the sale of Gonzalo Higuain from Napoli to Italian Champions Juventus

:32:02. > :32:04.for ?75 million is the third most expensive transfer fee

:32:05. > :32:15.Only Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo have cost more.

:32:16. > :32:21.That is all the sport. Back to you. Thank you.

:32:22. > :32:23.The Labour leadership candidate Owen Smith is expected to speak

:32:24. > :32:26.in Sheffield shortly where he's due to outline more details

:32:27. > :32:28.of what a Labour party under his leadership

:32:29. > :32:33.With us now is our political correspondent Chris Mason who's

:32:34. > :32:36.in Sheffield where Owen Smith is due to speak.

:32:37. > :32:46.What do you expect him to say? Yes, good morning from the site of the

:32:47. > :32:49.Orgreave protests and the running battles between miners and South

:32:50. > :32:56.Yorkshire Police during the miners' strike. This is now an industrial

:32:57. > :33:06.estate. But loaded with symbolism in terms of Labour and those within the

:33:07. > :33:10.Labour movement and gives you an insight about the electorate he must

:33:11. > :33:17.appeal to beat Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership race. Around half a

:33:18. > :33:22.million people, Labour members and supporters and affiliated supporters

:33:23. > :33:27.via trade unions, Owen Smith is making a socialist pitch and said he

:33:28. > :33:33.is a more competent operate or than Jeremy Corbyn. So will we learn? We

:33:34. > :33:38.expect some policy detail. He wants to remove any private provision

:33:39. > :33:43.within the NHS. The private sector has been brought in to clear

:33:44. > :33:50.backlogs. He wants the return of wages councils, so a real promotion

:33:51. > :33:57.of workers within the work place. And a real focus on arguing that he

:33:58. > :34:04.can offer proper red meat socialist solutions, but do it competently. He

:34:05. > :34:08.fears that Jeremy Corbyn has been good as slow goonising, but --

:34:09. > :34:17.sloganising, but not much more than that. Thank you.

:34:18. > :34:20.Hillary Clinton has become the first woman in US history to be nominated

:34:21. > :34:24.She was endorsed by the Democrats at their National Convention

:34:25. > :34:27.Appearing via video link, she told party delegates they'd made

:34:28. > :34:30.the biggest crack yet in the glass ceiling that stops women rising.

:34:31. > :34:33.The actress Meryl Streep then paid tribute to Mrs Clinton, saying it

:34:34. > :34:46.takes grit and grace to become the first female anything.

:34:47. > :35:17.We got some fight left in us, don't we? What does it take to be the

:35:18. > :35:26.first female anything? It takes grit and it takes grace. And tonight more

:35:27. > :35:32.than 200 years of Deborah Sampson fought and nearly 100 years after

:35:33. > :35:49.women got the vote, you people have made history! Yeah. And you're going

:35:50. > :35:59.to make history again in November. Because Hillary Clinton will be our

:36:00. > :36:07.first woman president. And she will be a great president. And she will

:36:08. > :36:10.be the first in a long line of women and men who serve with grit and

:36:11. > :36:13.grace. With me in the studio is Carol Gould

:36:14. > :36:25.- she's an American author Meryl Streep was excited, has the

:36:26. > :36:29.fact that she is a woman in this position been a big factor. It

:36:30. > :36:36.doesn't seem to have been a massive factor during the campaign. No, some

:36:37. > :36:40.of the bigger factors have the media concentration on Donald Trump, the

:36:41. > :36:48.Republican candidate. I think that there are some women a small number

:36:49. > :36:55.of women who might vote for Trump because they don't automatically

:36:56. > :37:01.find Hilary appealing. There are people, Bernie Sanders won 1900

:37:02. > :37:06.delegates and 23 contests, plus he won the global primary by a

:37:07. > :37:12.landslide. Americans who live abroad, millions who in a democratic

:37:13. > :37:19.side, the Republicans don't have global primary and that included

:37:20. > :37:26.many women who voted for Sanders. An overwhelming number of young people

:37:27. > :37:30.voted for Sanders. Including girls and young women, their first vote. I

:37:31. > :37:35.don't think it has been a major factor. There are many powerful

:37:36. > :37:50.women in politics. Do you think it is relevant? I don't think so.

:37:51. > :37:58.Codoleza Rice was in a powerful position and others. But it is

:37:59. > :38:03.exciting. I have said over the past couple of years wouldn't bit

:38:04. > :38:11.exciting if Ms Rice had been the Republican candidate and some people

:38:12. > :38:17.were surprised that Hillary Clinton didn't pick Elizabeth Warren as her

:38:18. > :38:25.running mate. But maybe they thought it was too big a long shot. Donald

:38:26. > :38:34.Trump is the person taking the headlines, Michelle Obama has

:38:35. > :38:40.spoken. When you look at the sort of attention that Trump's speech got

:38:41. > :38:44.and he has had, it is eclipsed it? Yes and sorry to say every time

:38:45. > :38:48.there is an international terrorist attack, Donald Trump gets more

:38:49. > :38:57.votes. In the national polls, believe it or not, Trump is about 8%

:38:58. > :39:04.of Clint Hillary Clinton Clint in terms of we trust him on threats to

:39:05. > :39:09.America. Like Le Pen in France, every time there is an attack the

:39:10. > :39:15.right gets more votes. What do you think of the Hillary Clinton

:39:16. > :39:20.campaign? Hillary Clinton has moved a bit to the left, because the

:39:21. > :39:27.Bernie Sanders supporters supported him was because he was a socialist

:39:28. > :39:34.and he wants a rise in the minimum wage and he was gets the North

:39:35. > :39:38.American free trade agreement and interestingly Trump has never

:39:39. > :39:48.traduced Bernie Sanders. He has never criticised him, because oddly,

:39:49. > :39:52.he and Bernie Sanders have agreed on things like free trade, because it

:39:53. > :39:57.reduces American jobs. I think she will have to compromise on some

:39:58. > :40:01.issues. Don't underestimate the importance of Catholic vote in

:40:02. > :40:11.America these things are important. And she has picked a running mate

:40:12. > :40:16.who is Roman Catholic and Tim Cane will attract the Latino and the

:40:17. > :40:20.Italian and Irish vote. It sounds ridiculous probably to to your

:40:21. > :40:26.viewers, but these are important issue. He is in the middle. He was

:40:27. > :40:33.antiabortion, but he has moved to the more liberal side. It will be

:40:34. > :40:38.interesting when Hillary Clinton takes on Donald Trump, because she

:40:39. > :40:43.has masses of international experience, when she saids what is

:40:44. > :40:48.your experience, I don't know how he will get around that. Do you want to

:40:49. > :40:55.protect who will be president? It could be Trump and Pence, Mike Pence

:40:56. > :41:02.his running mate. He is looking ahead in the polls at the moment.

:41:03. > :41:05.Ahead of Hillary Clinton. It depends on how successful she is in swing

:41:06. > :41:09.states over the next few months until November. The presidential

:41:10. > :41:15.debates will be the turning point. Thank you.

:41:16. > :41:17.Arrests are continuing in Turkey after the country's failed

:41:18. > :41:23.In the last 24 hours, scores more people have been taken

:41:24. > :41:25.into custody including a former Istanbul governor, well-known

:41:26. > :41:27.journalists and high-ranking military officials.

:41:28. > :41:31.Another fifty thousand people have been suspended from their jobs.

:41:32. > :41:33.Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced a three

:41:34. > :41:35.month state of emergency, allowing extraordinary numbers

:41:36. > :41:49.of detentions to be made in the name of terrorism.

:41:50. > :41:51.From Ankara we have Metin Bakkalci who is the Secretary General

:41:52. > :41:54.for the Human Rights Foundation of Turkey which works to stop human

:41:55. > :42:04.And Ceylan Akca is a political advisor for a Turkish opposition

:42:05. > :42:08.We also have Yavuz Baydar, who has 40 years' experience

:42:09. > :42:11.as a journalist and was the founding member of Platform for

:42:12. > :42:22.We are not revealing his location due to concerns for his safety.

:42:23. > :42:33.If I could come to you first. How concerned are you for the safety of

:42:34. > :42:37.journalists? This is utterly worrisome, the morning arrests are

:42:38. > :42:44.indications strongly enough for another round up of the continuing

:42:45. > :42:52.man hunt and witch-hunt that has been going on around the media. 47

:42:53. > :42:56.people includes prominent names like a professor, who is one of the

:42:57. > :43:04.strongest liberal voices for ages in Turkey. Second, an 80-year-old

:43:05. > :43:08.literary critic and poet and philosopher and many other

:43:09. > :43:17.colleagues. So the pattern seems to be in the second wave of arrests,

:43:18. > :43:21.these are people who have been writing the Zaman newspaper and it

:43:22. > :43:28.will continue with a fourth and fifth wave under the names of other

:43:29. > :43:32.newspapers that are now shut down. You work for the human rights

:43:33. > :43:37.foundation of Turkey, talk us through the latest you have in terms

:43:38. > :43:43.of how people are being treated and the numbers of detentions. First I'm

:43:44. > :43:50.sorry for my English. Human rights foundation of Turkey has a concrete

:43:51. > :43:55.mission to support torture survivors with various services and to fight

:43:56. > :43:59.against torture issue. Naturally human rights foundation of Turkey is

:44:00. > :44:05.against any kind of military coup. Which means complete denial of the

:44:06. > :44:09.democracy and Parliament's rights. The crime committed by the plotters

:44:10. > :44:17.of the latest coup is a crime against humanity and it is clear. So

:44:18. > :44:24.concerning these, all the necessary legal processes, should be carried

:44:25. > :44:29.out. They should be tried fairly and punished of course. We are living in

:44:30. > :44:38.times of emergency. For many years in Turkey. In particularly yes,

:44:39. > :44:44.after in July there is an extraordinary circumstances. Of

:44:45. > :44:50.course, there is an urgent need for regulations that will enable coping

:44:51. > :44:58.with the current times of emergency. The question is how it should be.

:44:59. > :45:03.The two accounts can be eliminated by the concrete programmes that will

:45:04. > :45:06.enable copies with the times of emergency, but in line with the

:45:07. > :45:18.obligations under the international law. But unfortunately as you talked

:45:19. > :45:29.just before, this state of emergency law, but remind you that law was

:45:30. > :45:37.adopted during the previous coup in 1980 and the aim of this law is to,

:45:38. > :45:41.was to consolidate the military coup mentality and to sustain the

:45:42. > :45:49.military coup mentality. So the basis of this law it is not possible

:45:50. > :45:50.to over come to cope with the current types of emergency - times

:45:51. > :46:08.of emergency. I want to bring in the political

:46:09. > :46:15.adviser for an opposition party. Do you feel safe in Turkey? I've never

:46:16. > :46:21.felt safe here, as someone who represents the opposition and a

:46:22. > :46:26.minority in Turkey. Do you know many people who's been detained? Not

:46:27. > :46:33.directly, but the people I work with and the human rights lawyers say

:46:34. > :46:40.that they've gone to school with some of the judges and prosecutors

:46:41. > :46:47.and lawyers who has been detained. But some of them have been released

:46:48. > :46:58.but then I'm guessing the president changed his mind again and they have

:46:59. > :47:02.been arrested again. Is there any journalist who wants to speak out at

:47:03. > :47:09.the moment in any way that would be perceived as critical and lead to

:47:10. > :47:16.their arrest? I'm sure there are. And will continue to do so. It has

:47:17. > :47:23.been marked by continuing resistance to censorship. The problem is the

:47:24. > :47:34.emergency rule, the Human Rights Watch said the regulations, in doing

:47:35. > :47:42.these, could be used arbitrarily against all opposition forces to

:47:43. > :47:46.silence them. I am deeply concerned about the state of journalism in

:47:47. > :47:53.Turkey because round-up after round-up, in order to blocked

:47:54. > :48:01.reporting, 42 journalists arrested yesterday included many keen

:48:02. > :48:12.investigative reporters, so the pattern of the first wave is clearly

:48:13. > :48:19.to block political reporting. The second is columnists, the liberal

:48:20. > :48:29.bulk of journalism in Turkey. There is a very narrow room, almost none,

:48:30. > :48:35.in Turkish media. The question, critical views of where the country

:48:36. > :48:42.is heading for, darkness is now covering the entire country. The

:48:43. > :48:46.safety of journalists in general and the existence of journalism in

:48:47. > :48:54.general is under the severest threat we are experiencing right now and

:48:55. > :48:59.I'm afraid, the international journalism organisations are

:49:00. > :49:07.increasingly concerned that this clamp-down will continue in the

:49:08. > :49:15.coming days and weeks and that's why it is time to raise the flag for the

:49:16. > :49:23.situation of freethinkers of Turkey. All the indications are pointing out

:49:24. > :49:26.to hard times. Thank you for talking to us.

:49:27. > :49:28.We're all terribly excited about the Rio Olympics -

:49:29. > :49:31.but it seems like only a heartbeat ago we were all thrilling to our own

:49:32. > :49:34.Games, our own opening ceremony, our own amazing event.

:49:35. > :49:42.Now Brazil gets a chance to put on a show -

:49:43. > :49:49.Let's talk about what is in store with Martin Green, head of

:49:50. > :49:56.ceremonies at London 2012. Tell us what being head of ceremonies meant.

:49:57. > :50:01.My job was to deliver the opening and closing ceremonies of the

:50:02. > :50:08.Olympic and Paralympic games, the torch relays, welcome ceremonies for

:50:09. > :50:13.the participating nations and the medal ceremonies. We look back and

:50:14. > :50:20.we know what a great success of the opening ceremony was, the closing

:50:21. > :50:24.ceremony, in the run-up, there was a lot of concern about whether London

:50:25. > :50:31.2012 would pull it off. How were you feeling? We knew what we were

:50:32. > :50:35.preparing and we had absolute faith that we were doing the right thing.

:50:36. > :50:41.We had an extraordinary artistic director. I think these things are

:50:42. > :50:46.rather cyclical. You see them in every Olympics. The Olympic torch

:50:47. > :50:52.arrived and people get it and then you do the opening ceremony. There

:50:53. > :50:54.was a strange thing where we knew what was going to happen and we were

:50:55. > :50:58.holding our nerve because we believed when the show went on

:50:59. > :51:02.people would see that we meant it when we said it would be

:51:03. > :51:07.extraordinary. Give us an insight into the creative process, how do

:51:08. > :51:12.you put on something that has that element of surprise? There was the

:51:13. > :51:19.video with the Queen, other elements nobody knew about, how free do

:51:20. > :51:26.people have to be to come up with ideas? I started working on the show

:51:27. > :51:34.five years before and the first thing was to recruit a creative team

:51:35. > :51:38.for each of the ceremonies. We went out and Danny said he would do it,

:51:39. > :51:46.then you break it down because it is a ceremony, so some of it is already

:51:47. > :51:50.set. The entrance of the athletes, the speeches, the flags, the

:51:51. > :51:55.creative that goes on around it. We knew that we wanted to do something

:51:56. > :51:59.that celebrated the diversity of the UK, the fact that London was the

:52:00. > :52:04.centre of the universe at that moment, nodding to history, looking

:52:05. > :52:07.to the future, and it was Danny and his team that went through that

:52:08. > :52:12.process of thinking about how to do this. Then coming up with surprises

:52:13. > :52:21.along the way, how we worked with the Queen, extraordinary Olympic

:52:22. > :52:30.cauldron, many other contributions to the ceremony. What was the

:52:31. > :52:38.highlight? The thing I loved the most was when JK Rowling came on and

:52:39. > :52:42.read from Peter Pan. She does not do very much public stuff and we have a

:52:43. > :52:46.long conversation with her and eventually she agreed. I just

:52:47. > :53:02.thought it was a profoundly moving moment. What will you expect from

:53:03. > :53:07.Rio de Janiero? One hell of a party. Brazil is a country steeped in the

:53:08. > :53:14.most extraordinary culture. The carnival is world-renowned. I can

:53:15. > :53:20.imagine we're going to see another piece of spectacular culture to open

:53:21. > :53:26.what will be a hugely successful games. Do you enjoy it when you've

:53:27. > :53:31.been involved or are you just worried something will go wrong?

:53:32. > :53:34.Your heart goes out to them. A lot of British people are working on

:53:35. > :53:41.natural because the UK has become very good at delivering these

:53:42. > :53:43.extraordinary global events. There are always heart stopping moments,

:53:44. > :53:49.the lighting of the cauldron, anything that moves across the

:53:50. > :53:52.stadium. You have a different relationship when watching the shows

:53:53. > :53:58.if you know what's been going on behind the scenes. Thank you very

:53:59. > :54:00.much. It's good to look back to 2012 and four to what is in store this

:54:01. > :54:04.summer. Thank you. -- forward. He's played chauffer to some

:54:05. > :54:06.of the biggest names in showbiz - and now James Corden

:54:07. > :54:09.is going for a spin The company has bought the rights

:54:10. > :54:13.to make a new spin-off series of the Carpool Karaoke segments

:54:14. > :54:15.from his Late Late Show. In his latest, Corden took a drive

:54:16. > :54:18.around the White House with none other than First Lady Michelle

:54:19. > :54:41.Obama. He there. Do you want to go for a

:54:42. > :54:54.spin? 100%. All the single ladies! Put your hands up!

:54:55. > :55:05.Don't pay him any attention. They will be mad at me. If you love that

:55:06. > :55:20.then you should have put a Ring on it. That might be my favourite. Our

:55:21. > :55:25.entertainment reporter is here with us. They've got a massive fan base.

:55:26. > :55:32.What is this deal going to mean? It's a really simple idea. The host

:55:33. > :55:38.of a late-night talk show takes a variety of stars in his car and gets

:55:39. > :55:45.them to reveal things about themselves and sing along to some of

:55:46. > :55:52.their favourite tracks. It can be their own music, he's had a host of

:55:53. > :55:55.people like Justin Bieber. All we know is this deal is definitely

:55:56. > :56:00.going to happen and it will be exclusive to apple music

:56:01. > :56:07.subscribers, it will last 16 episodes, you will get one episode

:56:08. > :56:15.every week. They don't know who will present. He will be an executive

:56:16. > :56:18.producer on the show. Those details are yet to be announced. We know

:56:19. > :56:26.that it will be going into production very soon. It does not

:56:27. > :56:34.mean that this stuff involving James Corden.. Norway will that stop. This

:56:35. > :56:39.is a viral sensation. This video was released at the start of the week

:56:40. > :56:48.and has had more than 30 million views on YouTube. The more popular

:56:49. > :57:00.one with Adele has had 100 million views. It will still go ahead. It

:57:01. > :57:06.must be a lucrative deal with apple. Indeed. The studio that houses the

:57:07. > :57:14.late late -- houses the chat show are involved. Apple are trying to

:57:15. > :57:19.get into the YouTube sphere. They want the views coming to the

:57:20. > :57:23.platform. This is what it is about. It is amazing what he has done in

:57:24. > :57:29.terms of cracking America and delivering this which has just gone

:57:30. > :57:34.viral and people love it. It was amazing because when he got the gig

:57:35. > :57:38.he was largely unknown. He had done Broadway a couple of times but that

:57:39. > :57:45.was it. There was scepticism around him taking over such a popular show

:57:46. > :57:51.and he's turned it around. He is now one of the biggest stars, he can

:57:52. > :57:57.have anyone. The only person that has not been in his car is Taylor

:57:58. > :57:59.Swift or President Obama himself. He just keeps going from success to

:58:00. > :58:13.success. Thank you very much. Some comments about radicalisation.

:58:14. > :58:19.One person said the mother raised a great point about one of the root

:58:20. > :58:23.causes, being ignored due to race. Talking about what happened in

:58:24. > :58:26.France, what a sorry state of affairs when you need more security

:58:27. > :58:27.at churches. Thank you for your company and I will see you tomorrow.

:58:28. > :58:32.Goodbye. You're coming across as, frankly,

:58:33. > :58:37.ridiculous. I'm flabbergasted by that.

:58:38. > :58:40.Will they get burnt... You have done an appalling job of

:58:41. > :58:44.selling them online. Erm...