26/08/2016

:00:00. > :00:10.Hello, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:11. > :00:16.Italy declares a state of emergency after the earthquake that's now

:00:17. > :00:21.known to have killed 267 people and left 400 injured.

:00:22. > :00:28.This is the scene live in Italy as the search continues

:00:29. > :00:38.More and more children and teenagers are being held under terror laws -

:00:39. > :00:40.that's according to figures obtained by this programme -

:00:41. > :00:47.And it's now three months since so-called legal highs were banned -

:00:48. > :00:50.the government says hundreds of shops no longer sell them -

:00:51. > :00:52.but we hear a warning that the problem has simply moved

:00:53. > :01:14.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

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:01:21. > :01:27.Our top story today, the death toll from the Italian

:01:28. > :01:30.earthquake has risen to 267 - and nearly have been

:01:31. > :01:34.There's been a strong aftershock this morning near the site

:01:35. > :01:36.of Wednesday's devastating tremor - it's believed to have had

:01:37. > :01:41.Last night it was revealed that at least three Britons are thought

:01:42. > :01:47.Italy's Prime Minister has declared a state of emergency

:01:48. > :01:56.The sun sets over the little villages around Amatrice,

:01:57. > :02:01.so peaceful and still now, after the destruction.

:02:02. > :02:03.People who have lost everything turn to makeshift camps,

:02:04. > :02:11.Meanwhile, the search for survivors continues.

:02:12. > :02:15.But rescuers won't give up, saying they will work

:02:16. > :02:24.The sniffer dogs aren't finding anything.

:02:25. > :02:27.It is hard to know just how many people have been affected.

:02:28. > :02:30.Many tourists were in the area for the local festival that had

:02:31. > :02:36.Last night, an official from Amatrice said three

:02:37. > :02:44.The Foreign Office says it has sent extra staff to the region

:02:45. > :02:54.Powerful after-shocks continue to affect the area.

:02:55. > :02:57.You can see here the effects when this one struck in Amatrice

:02:58. > :03:03.yesterday afternoon, complicating the rescue effort.

:03:04. > :03:05.And there is now a search for answers.

:03:06. > :03:07.Italy is known to be vulnerable to earthquakes,

:03:08. > :03:09.and promises were made to learn lessons after the last

:03:10. > :03:17.So why were so many buildings not reinforced to withstand them?

:03:18. > :03:20.Italian prosecutors have begun a criminal investigation to find out

:03:21. > :03:35.Let's speak to Jenny Hill in Amatrice.

:03:36. > :03:40.Journey, what are the search and rescue people that you've been

:03:41. > :03:47.speaking to saying to you about realistically what they can hope to

:03:48. > :03:52.achieve? Well, in reality they have been saying to us for some time now

:03:53. > :03:59.that hour by hour, the chances of finding anyone alive are diminishing

:04:00. > :04:03.and diminishing fast. Nevertheless, they are continuing to search. We

:04:04. > :04:11.saw them all day yesterday, they spent all night the night before,

:04:12. > :04:15.just sifting through the rubble. After-shocks continued to rock the

:04:16. > :04:19.ground under which they are searching. We come to this medical

:04:20. > :04:25.post which was set up overnight. First of all they want to be her for

:04:26. > :04:29.the people from Amatrice which is a short drive away. The hospital was

:04:30. > :04:33.badly damaged in the earthquake. Survivors are now living in and

:04:34. > :04:38.around the town in tents, sports halls, some of them are sleeping in

:04:39. > :04:42.their cars. There is nowhere to go for medical support. Secondly, they

:04:43. > :04:47.want to be prepared in the case that one of those power for after-shocks

:04:48. > :04:51.triggers injuries. Experienced them and they knock you off your feet.

:04:52. > :04:56.There was another earthquake this morning in Amatrice. It's a

:04:57. > :05:00.dangerous place to be, of course for the rescue workers sifting through

:05:01. > :05:06.the rubble. They are climbing in nine out of partially collapsed

:05:07. > :05:10.buildings, its precarious work. Also to those people living nearby in

:05:11. > :05:15.tents. There is a sense that for those survivors and rescue workers

:05:16. > :05:19.the ordeal isn't over yet. The earthquake on Wednesday affected

:05:20. > :05:23.quite a wide area, are the rescue team is confident they have been

:05:24. > :05:29.able to assess fully which parts of central Italy need help, or are they

:05:30. > :05:36.saying to you are still regions they can't reach? I think in all reality

:05:37. > :05:42.there is a resignation that there are some places where there won't be

:05:43. > :05:46.survivors at this stage. What's interesting and specific to this

:05:47. > :05:51.region if you have the town of Amatrice which was worst hit, but

:05:52. > :05:56.around it you have these tiny villages and hamlets. They are

:05:57. > :06:02.difficult to get to and networked by a series of narrow, winding roads.

:06:03. > :06:06.Some of those roads are now impassable because after-shocks

:06:07. > :06:09.continued to cause more damage. For example you might have had a

:06:10. > :06:14.partially collapsed building and after an after-shock it might fall

:06:15. > :06:18.down and blocked the road. That makes the task of emergency workers

:06:19. > :06:23.so much harder. You can see the ambulances lined up, one of the real

:06:24. > :06:28.problems you have here is if someone is injured in Amatrice, or someone

:06:29. > :06:36.has a heart attack in the tent city, they've got to get them to a

:06:37. > :06:42.hospital possibly as far afield as L'Aquila or Rome. For the emergency

:06:43. > :06:45.services it is a real challenge. All of the hamlets and villages we have

:06:46. > :06:50.been to appear to have been attended by some kind of government body.

:06:51. > :06:55.They've called out reserve civil workers. We spoke to a number of

:06:56. > :07:01.volunteers pulling away at the wreckage, pulling out bodies sadly,

:07:02. > :07:09.looking for survivors, too. There is a sense now that perhaps recovering

:07:10. > :07:15.bodies will take a little longer. As you suggested, a desperate situation

:07:16. > :07:19.in Italy, Italians and all of those villages razed to the ground. We

:07:20. > :07:24.have to acknowledge it is August, it's a popular tourist area, we

:07:25. > :07:29.believe three Britons are among those killed. What more have you

:07:30. > :07:32.heard about that and perhaps about other nationalities? A lot of

:07:33. > :07:39.nationalities could have been caught up in this as well as local people.

:07:40. > :07:44.Of course, it is a magnet for tourists, and Italian tourists to.

:07:45. > :07:47.Romans come out here for their holidays. The Romanian government

:07:48. > :07:53.believe another of their citizens were caught up in this, too. The

:07:54. > :07:57.coming hours and days will be for identification. The Mayor of

:07:58. > :08:03.Amatrice say well over 200 people have died in that town alone. Very

:08:04. > :08:07.few of them have been identified formally. In the meantime, although

:08:08. > :08:12.we know that no one has been pulled alive from the wreckage since

:08:13. > :08:18.Wednesday night, the rescue are continuing with their dangerous job,

:08:19. > :08:21.sifting through the rubble in the hope that they can still reach

:08:22. > :08:29.survivors trapped inside. Many thanks. Jenny Hill in Amatrice. Now,

:08:30. > :08:31.the rest of the day 's news. Annita is in the BBC

:08:32. > :08:33.Newsroom with a summary NHS services across England

:08:34. > :08:38.could be dramatically cut, as part of wide-ranging efficiency

:08:39. > :08:41.plans seen by the BBC. 44 areas have been asked to draw up

:08:42. > :08:44.cost-cutting measures, which include cuts to bed numbers

:08:45. > :08:47.and changes to care provided by GPs NHS England says no changes will be

:08:48. > :08:54.made without local consultation. NHS England says a reorganisation

:08:55. > :09:00.of local services is essential to improve patient care,

:09:01. > :09:05.and help deliver efficiency savings. They have asked all local

:09:06. > :09:08.health and care services to make these plans,

:09:09. > :09:10.which are designed to meet the demands of the population over

:09:11. > :09:14.the next five years. But the think tank the Nuffield

:09:15. > :09:17.Trust has warned that some areas are proposing cuts of up

:09:18. > :09:20.to 20% of beds. Campaigners say the plans

:09:21. > :09:23.aren't transparent enough, and include suggestions to reduce

:09:24. > :09:27.three hospitals to two in Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland,

:09:28. > :09:31.and reviewing GP practices. In one part of the West Midlands,

:09:32. > :09:35.the Black Country, a major A Our research finds that,

:09:36. > :09:40.in a lot of these types of reconfigurations,

:09:41. > :09:45.you don't save very much money. All that happens is the patients go

:09:46. > :09:48.to the next hospital down the road. They're more inconvenienced,

:09:49. > :09:50.they have to travel further, but it rarely saves

:09:51. > :09:54.the money that's needed. An NHS England spokesperson said

:09:55. > :09:56.the plans were being drawn up by local health and council leaders

:09:57. > :09:59.working together, and they No changes would be made

:10:00. > :10:04.without local engagement Motorists heading to and from Calais

:10:05. > :10:14.are being warned to be extra vigilant as armed people smugglers

:10:15. > :10:17.resort to increasingly violent Gangs have been spotted using trees

:10:18. > :10:22.to block roads - causing traffic to stop -

:10:23. > :10:24.and threatening drivers so they can get migrants on board

:10:25. > :10:27.lorries more easily. The authorities in Calais say

:10:28. > :10:30.the French army should be called in because the roads leading

:10:31. > :10:33.to the port have become a "no-go zone" during one of the busiest

:10:34. > :10:35.weekends of the year. We are on the main motorway

:10:36. > :10:44.into Calais. Entirely blocking the carriageway,

:10:45. > :10:50.a tree, dragged onto the road by masked and armed

:10:51. > :10:55.people smugglers. Using increasing levels of violence,

:10:56. > :10:57.this is the terrifying reality The roadblock causes traffic

:10:58. > :11:04.to build, giving migrants the chance The smugglers direct them

:11:05. > :11:11.to lorries, queueing behind us. In the shadows they flank our

:11:12. > :11:17.vehicle, but then... The smugglers turn their attention

:11:18. > :11:30.to the people they traffic. Migrants who don't pay are often

:11:31. > :11:43.subjected to violence. It is unclear how many

:11:44. > :11:50.migrants got onto trucks. But with their job done,

:11:51. > :11:52.the smugglers disappear Another load of

:11:53. > :12:00.branches and trees... The attacks are constant and spread

:12:01. > :12:03.out over a wide area. The French police are on patrol,

:12:04. > :12:05.and search motorway An estimated 9,000 migrants

:12:06. > :12:12.are now in Calais. The city's deputy mayor believes

:12:13. > :12:14.the police need assistance It would be hypocritical for me

:12:15. > :12:19.to say, no, nothing happens I've faced it several,

:12:20. > :12:23.several times. And what is the French

:12:24. > :12:24.government doing? Travelling on Calais's roads

:12:25. > :12:32.at night is running the gauntlet, armed, masked people

:12:33. > :12:34.smugglers and migrants often Police in Surrey say they're

:12:35. > :12:43."extremely concerned" about a possible child

:12:44. > :12:46.abduction, in Redhill. A witness has reported seeing

:12:47. > :12:49.a boy - thought to be about six or seven -

:12:50. > :12:51.being taken into a van A bike, believed to belong

:12:52. > :12:56.to the child, was left at the scene. Nearly 200 people have been arrested

:12:57. > :13:03.in the first three months after a blanket ban on so-called

:13:04. > :13:05."legal highs" came into That's according to figures

:13:06. > :13:10.uncovered by BBC Radio 5 Live. The legislation made it an offence

:13:11. > :13:15.to produce or supply the substances, which can mimic the effects

:13:16. > :13:17.of drugs such as cocaine, Our home affairs correspondent,

:13:18. > :13:24.Danny Shaw, reports. They used to be known as legal

:13:25. > :13:27.highs, synthetic substances which mimic the effects of illegal

:13:28. > :13:31.drugs such as cannabis. But as their popularity grew, so did

:13:32. > :13:36.concerns about their safety. So in May, the production

:13:37. > :13:38.and supply of legal highs Since those powers came into force,

:13:39. > :13:45.under the Psychoactive Substances Act, police across Britain have

:13:46. > :13:51.made 186 arrests. More than 300 retailers have stopped

:13:52. > :13:55.selling the newly banned drugs and 24 head shops which sell drugs

:13:56. > :14:03.paraphernalia, have closed down. The new measures have led

:14:04. > :14:05.to a clamp-down on nitrous oxide, In London alone, almost 14,000

:14:06. > :14:12.canisters have been seized. It's all evidence, say police,

:14:13. > :14:17.that the ban is beginning to work. Drugs experts say it has deterred

:14:18. > :14:20.casual users and sent out a message that the new substances,

:14:21. > :14:22.formerly legal highs, can be harmful but they say

:14:23. > :14:25.that hardened users, including some homeless

:14:26. > :14:34.users and prisoners, are still taking the drugs

:14:35. > :14:37.and they're now being sold by street dealers alongside cannabis,

:14:38. > :14:38.cocaine and heroin. Police in Brazil have charged

:14:39. > :14:45.the American swimmer, Ryan Lochte, The 12-time Olympic medallist had

:14:46. > :14:50.claimed that he and three team-mates were robbed at gunpoint

:14:51. > :14:52.during the Rio Games, but later apologised

:14:53. > :14:55.and admitted he was drunk. The crime faces a maximum penalty

:14:56. > :14:58.of 18 months in prison and the 32-year-old could be tried

:14:59. > :15:00.in his absence if he A bomb has gone off outside a police

:15:01. > :15:07.headquarters building At least eight people

:15:08. > :15:15.have been killed - and more than 78 people

:15:16. > :15:17.have been wounded. The attack - in Cizre -

:15:18. > :15:19.has been blamed on Kurdish The US Secretary of State John Kerry

:15:20. > :15:27.is meeting Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Geneva later,

:15:28. > :15:29.to try to broker a temporary ceasefire

:15:30. > :15:32.in the Syrian city of Aleppo. The city has seen intense fighting

:15:33. > :15:37.between government forces and rebels and at least a quarter of a million

:15:38. > :15:41.people are believed to be trapped Jeremy Corbyn and the man bidding

:15:42. > :15:45.to replace him as Labour leader, Owen Smith, have clashed over the EU

:15:46. > :15:48.referendum at the party's latest Speaking during a sometimes

:15:49. > :15:54.ill-tempered debate in Glasgow, Owen Smith warned that the party

:15:55. > :15:57.could split unless Mr Corbyn was replaced and questioned his

:15:58. > :15:59.opponent's commitment Owen, I thought we'd grown up

:16:00. > :16:13.and we were no longer going to use those kinds

:16:14. > :16:15.of questions and remarks. I'm still wondering why you haven't

:16:16. > :16:17.answered my direct questions Owen, you know perfectly well

:16:18. > :16:22.the answer that I voted Remain and I'm surprised and actually quite

:16:23. > :16:24.disappointed that you should Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson has

:16:25. > :16:31.been named the world's According to the latest

:16:32. > :16:38.Forbes Rich List - the former wrestler snatched

:16:39. > :16:40.the title from Robert Downey Junior, who had held the top spot

:16:41. > :16:42.for three consecutive years. The 44-year-old actor earned

:16:43. > :16:46.?48.8 million in the last year. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:16:47. > :17:03.News - more at 9:30am. And lots. Lots of people surprised

:17:04. > :17:04.about that last story. -- thank you very much.

:17:05. > :17:15.Bit of surprise from me on that one, as well. We will talk about the

:17:16. > :17:18.Europa League draw later. After the Champions League draw yesterday

:17:19. > :17:21.Manchester United and Southampton will find out who they will meet

:17:22. > :17:25.today in the group stages this season. After moving to their new

:17:26. > :17:30.home at the Olympic Stadium West Ham had been hoping to join them.

:17:31. > :17:33.Unfortunately their European campaign is already over for the

:17:34. > :17:35.second successive season they've been knocked out in the qualifying

:17:36. > :17:48.play-off stages by Astra Giurgiu. They lost 1-0 last night,

:17:49. > :17:51.so Slaven Bilic's side went out 2-1 on aggregate to a chorus of boos

:17:52. > :17:59.from their fans. A lot of positivity at West Ham, but

:18:00. > :18:01.their fans would have liked to have seen them in the Europa League this

:18:02. > :18:03.season. Hull City footballer Jake Livermore

:18:04. > :18:05.says his positive test for cocaine was the wake up call he needed

:18:06. > :18:09.to start to come to terms The 26-year-old failed a drugs test

:18:10. > :18:13.in May 2015, almost a year after his newborn son

:18:14. > :18:16.Jake Junior had passed away. He avoided a ban from football

:18:17. > :18:19.but says being caught The drugs were irrelevant, the drugs

:18:20. > :18:25.weren't the problem. You know, something needed to be

:18:26. > :18:28.done and to be honest, That was my get out

:18:29. > :18:34.of jail free card. That was, you know,

:18:35. > :18:40.this kid needs help. You can see more of that

:18:41. > :18:42.tomorrow on Football Focus - And just before we go the England

:18:43. > :18:49.and Wales Cricket Board have announced the side will travel

:18:50. > :18:52.to Bangladesh for their after One of their Test matches will take

:18:53. > :19:00.place in Dhaka, where 20 hostages died when a cafe

:19:01. > :19:12.was attacked in July. More sport later.

:19:13. > :19:15.Just one more thing, it was the Champions League draw yesterday, the

:19:16. > :19:20.Europa League draw today, one English team not in it, though.

:19:21. > :19:24.Yeah, West Ham way to be there, but the Champions League draw was

:19:25. > :19:28.interesting for some of the British sides. Manchester City and Celtic

:19:29. > :19:33.were drawn in the same group. They will meet the Spanish giants

:19:34. > :19:37.Barcelona. You can see the full draw on the BBC sport website.

:19:38. > :19:43.I think you were also going to tell me something about footballers and

:19:44. > :19:49.lavish lifestyles? Big surprise. We just spoke about Jake Livermore,

:19:50. > :19:57.we saw the clip, remember Football Focus on BBC One at midday tomorrow.

:19:58. > :20:07.He was caught taking cocaine. He feels that being court saved his

:20:08. > :20:16.career because he hadn't faced up to the death of his son.

:20:17. > :20:19.Did you feel under pressure to exercise while you were pregnant? If

:20:20. > :20:22.you did, do get in touch. Do get in touch with us

:20:23. > :20:24.throughout the morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLive

:20:25. > :20:27.and if you text, you will be charged Figures obtained by this Programme

:20:28. > :20:31.show the number of under-18s detained under terror laws

:20:32. > :20:33.while coming in or out of the country, has more

:20:34. > :20:37.than tripled over two years. UK police have legal powers

:20:38. > :20:40.at airports to question and search people as part of schedule seven

:20:41. > :20:45.of the terrorism Act. Last year 46 young people

:20:46. > :20:48.were detained under this law. Our Reporter Divya Talwar

:20:49. > :21:02.can tell us more. People might not have even heard

:21:03. > :21:06.about schedule seven. Well many people have

:21:07. > :21:16.probably never heard of it. They might be surprised that it is

:21:17. > :21:19.pretty powerful legislation to help stop potential terrorists getting

:21:20. > :21:23.into the UK. It gives the police special powers to stop, search,

:21:24. > :21:28.question and detain anybody who comes in and out of the country.

:21:29. > :21:31.They can do it at an airport, or an international rail terminal. The

:21:32. > :21:35.purpose is to figure out if the person they stopped could

:21:36. > :21:38.potentially be involved in terrorist activity. What's different,

:21:39. > :21:41.concurred to police powers when they stop and search you on the streets,

:21:42. > :21:45.under this legislation they don't need to have any reasonable

:21:46. > :21:52.suspicion to be able to stop you. -- compared to police powers.

:21:53. > :21:55.When somebody is stopped, do they know they are being stopped under

:21:56. > :21:59.this piece of legislation? A lot of people listening to this

:22:00. > :22:04.probably think I've been questioned and searched so many times at the

:22:05. > :22:07.airport. You would have been questioned by a police officer. In

:22:08. > :22:11.theory you are meant to get one of these, which is basically a leaflet

:22:12. > :22:16.which tells you your rights and what you can expect. It covers the three

:22:17. > :22:20.main powers the police have. First, they can question and detain you up

:22:21. > :22:23.to six hours. Second, they can search you and any of your things,

:22:24. > :22:29.including your mobile phone, laptops. If you have a password and

:22:30. > :22:33.you were asked you have to tell the officer what it is. Third, if you

:22:34. > :22:38.watch any of those police and shows on the TV you would have heard the

:22:39. > :22:41.popular phrase right to remain silent. Under schedule seven you

:22:42. > :22:45.don't have that right. If you are questioned and you refuse to answer

:22:46. > :22:47.you could be looking at a possible prosecution.

:22:48. > :22:50.How widely are the powers being used?

:22:51. > :22:53.The latest figures show that in the year ending March this year more

:22:54. > :23:00.than 1800 people were detained under these powers. Separate figures we've

:23:01. > :23:03.been able to get through freedom of information requests, show the

:23:04. > :23:09.number of under 18 is being detained has gone up quite significantly.

:23:10. > :23:13.Last year, that number was 46, compared to 2013 when that number

:23:14. > :23:15.was 13. Over that period the number has gone up by more than three

:23:16. > :23:20.times. Do we know why, crucially?

:23:21. > :23:26.We know a number of young people have gone out to Syria, Iraq, to

:23:27. > :23:29.support and possibly even fight for jihadists organisations. There was

:23:30. > :23:34.that high profile case of the schoolgirls in Bethnal Green last

:23:35. > :23:37.year. It might be explained by the fact that police officers are trying

:23:38. > :23:41.to stop more young people travelling out of the country, they might be on

:23:42. > :23:46.their own, in a bid to prevent them going to Syria and, let's say, join

:23:47. > :23:50.IS. We know these powers have stopped some young people going to

:23:51. > :23:53.Syria. And the criticism of this

:23:54. > :23:57.legislation is what? There has been a number of

:23:58. > :24:01.controversial cases where British citizens have been detained. They

:24:02. > :24:05.say they've been racially profiled and discriminated. You probably also

:24:06. > :24:09.remember that high profile case involving David Miranda. He was the

:24:10. > :24:13.partner of the Guardian journalist. He was detained for several hours.

:24:14. > :24:17.He was later released without charge. In a nutshell, schedule

:24:18. > :24:21.seven is controversial because the powers are so broad. You are more

:24:22. > :24:25.likely to be stopped and searched if you are black or Asian. Our figures

:24:26. > :24:29.show if you were under 18 and you are an Asian person you are six

:24:30. > :24:32.times more likely to be stopped and if you are white. For all of these

:24:33. > :24:34.reasons there is a number of court cases going through the courts to

:24:35. > :24:36.challenge this legislation currently.

:24:37. > :24:44.Thanks very much. Let's speak now to Ahmed Ali,

:24:45. > :24:49.who has been stopped under Schedule David Anderson QC is

:24:50. > :24:54.the Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation,

:24:55. > :24:56.who says Schedule seven Manraj Othi, doesn't mind

:24:57. > :25:08.being searched if it means we can prevent

:25:09. > :25:10.a potential terrorist attack. And Sabah Choudary's under-18

:25:11. > :25:12.relative has been stopped under schedule seven and has

:25:13. > :25:24.been stopped herself. Let's turn to Ahmed, you have been

:25:25. > :25:31.stopped so many times. Explain some of those instances if you can. I've

:25:32. > :25:36.been stopped over 30 times now. David Anderson knows my cases. He is

:25:37. > :25:43.speaking to my solicitor. He knows about my incidents. My most horrific

:25:44. > :25:49.incident was when I was taken off a flight with my wife. Once we had

:25:50. > :25:55.boarded the plane, we were in the holiday mode, that was one of my

:25:56. > :25:59.worst incidents. Twice I was stopped with my children with me, even

:26:00. > :26:03.though they were not stopped, but obviously they had to wait for me.

:26:04. > :26:08.Once they had to wait for me for nearly three hours. Once it was

:26:09. > :26:13.about 45 minutes. It's been quite traumatic for me. And this is when

:26:14. > :26:18.you are, doing what, going on holiday, passing through an airport,

:26:19. > :26:23.what has been the situation? Holiday or business. I do a lot of business

:26:24. > :26:29.in Europe. I buy and sell goods and materials. I'm always travelling. I

:26:30. > :26:32.am a frequent flyer. I'm always getting stopped. I'm always asking

:26:33. > :26:38.my MPs have written to the police to find out why. My solicitors have

:26:39. > :26:41.written to find out why. No explanation. Even when I get

:26:42. > :26:48.stopped. They don't seem to know that I've been stopped before. Sorry

:26:49. > :26:52.to interrupt. Presumably, when you are stopped, or certainly the first

:26:53. > :26:57.few times this was happening, did you say to them, why do you want to

:26:58. > :27:03.talk to me, what you want to ask me? And when you ask, what was the

:27:04. > :27:06.response? They just said we need to do checks. Every single time that

:27:07. > :27:13.we've spoken they have patted me on the back, shook my hand, but when

:27:14. > :27:17.they took me off the flight with my wife I took a stand from there. I

:27:18. > :27:20.didn't realise how many times they have stopped me until I wrote an

:27:21. > :27:27.account for my solicitor. Once I have done I really felt horrible. I

:27:28. > :27:33.felt I had been bullied. I totally sort of forgot. I was always putting

:27:34. > :27:36.it at the back of my head. But, you know, it's really bad. I'm just

:27:37. > :27:46.lucky I'm in my 30s. I know of younger people who feel vilified,

:27:47. > :27:53.and harassed. This is going to put young children, especially young

:27:54. > :27:58.teens, and people in their 20s, in this situation. You have younger

:27:59. > :28:02.relatives who have had knocked a similar experiences, explain what

:28:03. > :28:05.some of your relatives have gone through. A cousin of mine from the

:28:06. > :28:11.West Midlands was stopped and questioned. This was about two years

:28:12. > :28:16.ago. She was aged 14 or 15 at the time. The family members were

:28:17. > :28:21.questioned individually. They were on their away to Turkey. She was

:28:22. > :28:25.asked various questions, why are you going to Turkey, what is your

:28:26. > :28:31.purpose of travel? And also really quite odd questions. For example,

:28:32. > :28:35.were your parents -- will your parents make you have an arranged

:28:36. > :28:39.marriage? Will your parents allow you to study at university? She was

:28:40. > :28:44.confused, she was young, she didn't realise what was going on. It was

:28:45. > :28:47.only afterwards when she spoke to her parents about it, and her

:28:48. > :28:51.parents were quite shocked, and after that experience they are

:28:52. > :28:56.hesitant to let her travel alone now. Was she travelling with

:28:57. > :29:01.friends? No, with her parents. And you have a situation where you were

:29:02. > :29:04.questioned. Not for as long, I think, but you were travelling

:29:05. > :29:09.without your parents. That's correct. This was just my after

:29:10. > :29:13.second year of university. Me and my friends were going on a beach

:29:14. > :29:17.holiday to Turkey. We were stopped briefly by a police officer just

:29:18. > :29:22.before boarding the plane. The three of us were the only ones stopped. We

:29:23. > :29:26.were asked various questions, why were we travelling to Turkey, how we

:29:27. > :29:31.knew each other, the purpose of our travel, and we had to prove that we

:29:32. > :29:35.were going to fly back. We had to show our itinerary and prove we had

:29:36. > :29:40.return flights booked. What did you and your friends think about that at

:29:41. > :29:44.the time? At the time we were really quite humiliated because we were the

:29:45. > :29:49.only ones who were stopped. It really dragged the mood down. For

:29:50. > :29:54.me, it was my first time going on holiday without my parents and with

:29:55. > :30:02.my friends. It really set a downer to the mood. On the one hand I

:30:03. > :30:05.understand why schedule seven is there, particularly last year

:30:06. > :30:11.because there were lots of cases of young girls travelling to Syria and

:30:12. > :30:15.Iraq. But my opinion, speaking as a young Muslim woman who has been

:30:16. > :30:22.stopped, I schedule seven, is that it is a pervasive and kind of all

:30:23. > :30:28.penetrating power and arguable form of collective punishment that

:30:29. > :30:34.stigmatises and effectively criminalises everyday Muslims,

:30:35. > :30:42.particularly those who may follow orthodox Islamic frameworks. David

:30:43. > :30:47.Anderson QC, do you have any sense that the legislation is broadbrush,

:30:48. > :30:50.that young ladies, going on holiday, off to Turkey to lie on the beach,

:30:51. > :30:52.are being caught up in something, that it is all encompassing, or do

:30:53. > :31:02.you feel it is working as it should? It is a very strong power and has to

:31:03. > :31:07.be sensitively used. But time glad we have a strong power at our

:31:08. > :31:13.borders. It is not designed to punish anyone but to protect us. I

:31:14. > :31:17.think the reason for stopping unaccompanied women travelling to

:31:18. > :31:20.Turkey is fairly obvious. They might have thought maybe you are

:31:21. > :31:25.travelling there to try and get into Syria. There are cases where girls

:31:26. > :31:29.have been stopped at the airport and returned to their families. Who, it

:31:30. > :31:36.can be proved, were heading out to join Isis. You would argue there are

:31:37. > :31:42.specific cases where it has worked? It's not an argument, it's a fact.

:31:43. > :31:48.It's not always easy to detect people coming back from Syria. There

:31:49. > :31:53.was a case of a man who had been out in Syria, handling firearms and

:31:54. > :31:57.making videos to encourage people to join him. He then faked his own

:31:58. > :32:01.death and arranged for his cousin to pick him up in a car in Bulgaria so

:32:02. > :32:07.they could get back into England. They were picked up at the border

:32:08. > :32:11.and he's now in prison for 12 years. The schedule seven power allows

:32:12. > :32:16.police to do things like that. I understand it must feel humiliating

:32:17. > :32:20.if you are picked out of the queue. It's extremely important the police

:32:21. > :32:24.use the in a sensitive way and don't just pick on people because of the

:32:25. > :32:29.colour of their skin or just because they might look Muslim. The other

:32:30. > :32:35.thing I would say if I made, if you feel that you've had the thick end

:32:36. > :32:38.of this and haven't been properly treated, then complain. If the

:32:39. > :32:44.police force aren't interested you can appeal to the Independent Police

:32:45. > :32:48.Complaints Commission. Ahmed has got hold of a lawyer. There are things

:32:49. > :32:53.you can do if you feel you've been badly treated. Ahmed I will come

:32:54. > :32:59.back to you but I just want to hear a bit more from our guests here.

:33:00. > :33:06.Debra on Twitter has just said "If racial profiling keeps us safe it is

:33:07. > :33:10.an unfortunate fact of life". Are you talking about racial profiling?

:33:11. > :33:16.You want the law to be implemented... I've done the

:33:17. > :33:20.training with the police and the first thing they are taught is that

:33:21. > :33:25.terrorists come in all shapes and sizes and in all colours. 30 years

:33:26. > :33:30.ago people complained about schedule seven, it was the Irish who were

:33:31. > :33:35.complaining. They said you are only picking on us because we have red

:33:36. > :33:39.here. We are looking at a similar story here. People properly feel

:33:40. > :33:50.sensitive about this. -- because we have red hair. Have you ever been

:33:51. > :33:55.questioned passing through airports? As a brown man with a beard you are

:33:56. > :34:03.used to the not so random random checks at airports. My view on it is

:34:04. > :34:09.I don't mind being inconvenienced, if it's for the sake of keeping

:34:10. > :34:17.everyone safe. If everyone is kept safe, I kept safe by them doing

:34:18. > :34:22.their job. It is about the experience, with great power comes

:34:23. > :34:26.great responsibility. If the training is correct, that example of

:34:27. > :34:32.being called off a plane in front of your family, that's not a pleasant

:34:33. > :34:37.experience. It can be done subtly, you can easily gauge whether someone

:34:38. > :34:42.has ill intentions I think. If you do it in a tactful manner, you can

:34:43. > :34:46.approach someone and go through the same questions without feeling on a

:34:47. > :34:52.power trip or abusing your powers because you've had this training.

:34:53. > :34:56.Implementation is all. I get the sense that everyone feels that.

:34:57. > :35:02.We've had an anonymous text which says "This is a common-sense law, I

:35:03. > :35:06.spend a lot of time in Beirut and Dubai, they didn't think twice about

:35:07. > :35:12.stopping someone irrespective of the reason. I respect they want to

:35:13. > :35:17.protect their people". Is it perhaps that this is still, this feels

:35:18. > :35:21.relatively new to us in this country whereas this person is saying that

:35:22. > :35:26.in some countries this has been happening for a very long time. You

:35:27. > :35:33.did touch on the fact that you understand it but it's how it's

:35:34. > :35:39.carried out. Yes. I feel that particularly post-911 there has been

:35:40. > :35:44.a heightened sense that the Muslim community are essentially a

:35:45. > :35:48.homogenised problem community, and this is something that is felt by a

:35:49. > :35:52.lot of my family and friends. We have a running joke that every time

:35:53. > :35:56.one of us goes on holiday the first question is not how was your

:35:57. > :36:02.holiday, but where you stopped and how long were you stopped for? It

:36:03. > :36:12.has become normal. It's become a given. Yes, for me that is the

:36:13. > :36:21.issue. With schedule seven, it is unlawful for officers to use

:36:22. > :36:30.someone's race, religion against them. A report by Liberty Stadium

:36:31. > :36:43.that Asians are 42% more likely to be stopped by schedule seven --

:36:44. > :36:49.Liberty stated that Asians are 42% more likely to be stopped. It is

:36:50. > :36:53.bigger than the number in the population but it's not a random

:36:54. > :36:54.stop. They are not allowed to stop people just because of the colour of

:36:55. > :37:12.their skin or perceived religion. There is so much more we can discuss

:37:13. > :37:16.on this. I appreciate your time. I suspect there may well be a lot more

:37:17. > :37:19.comments to come on that so please do get in touch.

:37:20. > :37:23.The GP who wrote an article to be read

:37:24. > :37:26.after her death from cancer - warning fellow doctors of the

:37:27. > :37:36.And three months on from the ban on legal highs -

:37:37. > :37:38.police say hundreds of shops have stopped selling the drugs.

:37:39. > :37:48.We look at the impact of the change in the law.

:37:49. > :37:55.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:37:56. > :37:59.The death toll from the Italian earthquake has risen to 267 -

:38:00. > :38:02.and nearly have been 400 people injured.

:38:03. > :38:05.Last night it was revealed that at least three Britons

:38:06. > :38:08.Italy's Prime Minister has declared a state of emergency

:38:09. > :38:15.There's been a strong aftershock this morning near the site

:38:16. > :38:19.of Wednesday's devastating tremor - it's believed to have

:38:20. > :38:35.Hour by hour the chances of finding anyone alive are diminishing fast.

:38:36. > :38:39.Nevertheless they are continuing to search the rubble. We saw them all

:38:40. > :38:44.day yesterday, they had spent all night the night before sifting

:38:45. > :38:47.through rubble. It is dangerous work because after-shocks continue to

:38:48. > :38:50.rock ground under which they are searching.

:38:51. > :38:52.NHS services across England could be dramatically cut,

:38:53. > :38:54.as part of wide-ranging efficiency plans seen by the BBC.

:38:55. > :38:57.44 areas have been asked to draw up money-saving measures,

:38:58. > :39:00.which include cuts to bed numbers and changes to care provided by GPs

:39:01. > :39:05.NHS England says no changes will be made without local consultation

:39:06. > :39:07.but health think tank the Nuffield Trust has warned

:39:08. > :39:20.In a lot of these types of reconfigurations you don't save a

:39:21. > :39:26.lot of money. The patients simply go to the next hospital down the road.

:39:27. > :39:27.They have to travel further, but it rarely saves the money that is

:39:28. > :39:30.needed. Motorists heading to and from Calais

:39:31. > :39:32.are being warned to be extra vigilant as armed people smugglers

:39:33. > :39:34.resort to increasingly violent Gangs have been spotted

:39:35. > :39:38.using trees to block roads - causing traffic to stop -

:39:39. > :39:41.and threatening drivers so they can get migrants on board

:39:42. > :39:45.lorries more easily. The authorities in Calais say

:39:46. > :39:47.the French army should be called in because the roads leading

:39:48. > :39:50.to the port have become a "no-go zone" during one of the busiest

:39:51. > :39:53.weekends of the year. Police in Surrey say they're

:39:54. > :39:55."extremely concerned" about a possible child

:39:56. > :39:57.abduction, in Redhill. A witness has reported seeing

:39:58. > :40:00.a boy - thought to be about six or seven -

:40:01. > :40:02.being taken into a van A bike, believed to belong

:40:03. > :40:07.to the child, was left at the scene. A bomb has gone off outside a police

:40:08. > :40:15.headquarters building At least 11 people

:40:16. > :40:25.have been killed - and more than 78 people

:40:26. > :40:27.have been wounded. The attack - in Cizre -

:40:28. > :40:30.has been blamed on Kurdish Nearly 200 people have been arrested

:40:31. > :40:34.in the first three months after a blanket ban on drugs

:40:35. > :40:37.formerly known as "legal highs" came That's according to figures

:40:38. > :40:40.uncovered by BBC Radio 5 Live. The legislation made it an offence

:40:41. > :40:43.to produce or supply the substances, which can mimic the effects

:40:44. > :40:46.of illegal drugs such as cocaine, Police say hundreds of shops have

:40:47. > :40:56.been stopped from selling them. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:40:57. > :41:08.News - more at 10.00. In terms of that story about the

:41:09. > :41:13.young boy, an apparent abduction in Surrey that we were hearing about,

:41:14. > :41:16.police are giving us some details. We will get more on that from our

:41:17. > :41:21.correspondent Keith Doyle in a while. We'll find out more about

:41:22. > :41:23.that story coming through from Surrey Police.

:41:24. > :41:35.Good morning. We are going to start with some changes just been

:41:36. > :41:40.announced to the Champions League. The top four European leagues will

:41:41. > :41:44.each have four guaranteed places in the group stages and changes

:41:45. > :41:47.announced today by Uefa. The draw for the this season 's Europa League

:41:48. > :41:55.will be taking place at midday today. Manchester United and

:41:56. > :41:58.Southampton in the hat that one. West Ham are unfortunately knocked

:41:59. > :42:00.out last night for the successive season.

:42:01. > :42:03.After moving to their new home at the Olympic Stadium, West Ham had

:42:04. > :42:06.But their European campaign is already over.

:42:07. > :42:08.For the second successive season they were knocked out

:42:09. > :42:11.in the qualifying play off stages by Romanian side Astra Giurgiu.

:42:12. > :42:13.They lost 1-0 last night, so Slaven Bilic's side went out 2-1

:42:14. > :42:16.on aggregate to a chorus of boos from their fans.

:42:17. > :42:19.And just before we go the England and Wales Cricket Board have

:42:20. > :42:21.announced the side will travel to Bangladesh for their after

:42:22. > :42:25.One of their Test matches will take place in Dhaka, where 20

:42:26. > :42:27.hostages died when a cafe was attacked in July.

:42:28. > :42:33.Lewis Hamilton will try to limit the damage to his title hopes, he's

:42:34. > :42:38.going to start towards the back of the grid for the Belgian Grand Prix

:42:39. > :42:41.after he used more than the permitted number of engine parts

:42:42. > :42:45.earlier in the season. First practice is now underway, follow it

:42:46. > :42:47.on the BBC sport website. Will be back talking about the Olympics at

:42:48. > :42:54.just after 10am. Let's turn our attention to the

:42:55. > :43:00.situation in Syria. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei

:43:01. > :43:02.Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry are holding

:43:03. > :43:16.talks in Geneva today over Just this morning we've had

:43:17. > :43:21.thousands of people are to be allowed to leave the town of Darayya

:43:22. > :43:25.which is a few miles from Damascus after a long siege by government

:43:26. > :43:31.forces. That comes a day after news that Russia said it was ready for a

:43:32. > :43:40.48-hour truce to allow aid supplies to get into cities including Aleppo.

:43:41. > :43:52.John Kerry and Sergei Lavrov meet today in Geneva.

:43:53. > :43:56.So let's discuss whether the two countries will be able to find a way

:43:57. > :44:00.Peter Ford was the UK ambassador to Syria until 2006 and doesn't

:44:01. > :44:07.believe the negotiations will be successful.

:44:08. > :44:13.Via Skype we have two people on opposite sides of this conflict.

:44:14. > :44:17.In Russia, Sergey Markov is a former Kremlin advisor who says his country

:44:18. > :44:19.will continue to support the government regime.

:44:20. > :44:23.And in Istanbul, Dr Yahya Alridi who wants the current government

:44:24. > :44:32.He is the spokesperson for the High Negotiations Committee,

:44:33. > :44:38.an allegiance of 34 Syrian opposition groups.

:44:39. > :44:48.A very good morning to all of you. Peter Ford in Manchester, a broad

:44:49. > :44:52.brush first of all, whether you have any optimism after all these years

:44:53. > :44:57.of civil war, whether any more will come out of these talks in Geneva

:44:58. > :45:03.today? Basically, no. I think there will be a minor breakthrough

:45:04. > :45:10.regarding the establishment of a window for a ceasefire to allow in

:45:11. > :45:16.humanitarian support. But for the longer term, I think this just

:45:17. > :45:22.amounts to a sticking plaster and things will go on like this as long

:45:23. > :45:30.as outsiders continue to support the Islamist rebels. Russia is so deeply

:45:31. > :45:36.involved in this, I appreciate there are other players but Russia is such

:45:37. > :45:40.a key part of this. They are an ally of President Assad. Is there any

:45:41. > :45:44.more, after all these years, that could be done to put pressure on

:45:45. > :45:47.Vladimir Putin, or is that the fundamental problem? Is there just

:45:48. > :45:50.nothing that will change in the Russian approach?

:45:51. > :46:01.Having come so far, the Russians will not go their man under the bus.

:46:02. > :46:08.It is realistic of the Syrian Islamists to believe otherwise until

:46:09. > :46:13.they realise that President Assad is now winning on the battlefield and

:46:14. > :46:20.isn't going to be knocked off his perch through negotiations or

:46:21. > :46:27.terrorist actions. The sooner the suffering of the Syrian people can

:46:28. > :46:31.be brought to an end. Those who say President Assad must go doesn't

:46:32. > :46:34.answer the question what would replace him? It is clear that what

:46:35. > :46:44.would replace him would be an Islamist radical regime. This isn't

:46:45. > :46:47.going to happen. We will put that point our guest in Istanbul in a

:46:48. > :46:56.moment. I'd like to go to Moscow next. Does Vladimir Putin want the

:46:57. > :47:01.suffering, the enormous suffering of the Syrian people of innocent men,

:47:02. > :47:14.women and children, does he want that to continue? Millions of Syrian

:47:15. > :47:32.citizens are suffering. Vladimir Putin is helping Paschall Assad. The

:47:33. > :47:37.war is... -- is helping Bashar Al Asad.

:47:38. > :47:48.Those who are really fighting, they are jihadists. Civilian people are

:47:49. > :47:55.struggling because jihadis got support from Saudi Arabia. And

:47:56. > :48:04.partly from the United States, Britain and Turkey. That's why the

:48:05. > :48:08.suffering is continuing. INAUDIBLE

:48:09. > :48:16.I think our webcam has frozen in Moscow. Sorry about that. I want to

:48:17. > :48:25.speak with the spokesperson from the agency. Let's start with the point

:48:26. > :48:34.Peter was making. -- HNC. Who would you like to replace him? This is

:48:35. > :48:39.under a pretext that was presented by parties who are not willing, or

:48:40. > :48:52.do not have the intention for doing any change, or creating any change

:48:53. > :48:59.in Syria. They are dealing with a bloody conflict. The suffering of

:49:00. > :49:07.the Syrian people continues. We had a case in Syria where there was a

:49:08. > :49:14.battlefield with so many parties. All of them had conflicting

:49:15. > :49:23.interests. What is good for one is poison to the other, as the saying

:49:24. > :49:27.goes. The sufferers in all of this are the Syrian people who have had

:49:28. > :49:31.their country destroyed. They are being displaced, scattered all over

:49:32. > :49:44.the world. Half a million people are being killed. Almost a quarter of a

:49:45. > :49:47.million are in Assad 's jails. And you have other groups who are

:49:48. > :49:55.contributing to the killing of the Syrian people. Saying that the

:49:56. > :50:00.conflict is not between Assad and the Syrian people, but between

:50:01. > :50:07.extremists being supported by Saudi Arabia and others, that isn't the

:50:08. > :50:15.case. For the first six months Syrian people asked for freedom, a

:50:16. > :50:24.change in their life, a little bit of corruption... All of these

:50:25. > :50:28.little, simple and possible demands. Later on, they released certain

:50:29. > :50:33.criminals from prison who had been there for years with extremist

:50:34. > :50:38.views. Other people were released from Baghdad jails. They created

:50:39. > :50:45.Isis with the help of outside powers. And there comes the

:50:46. > :50:53.terrorism. Assad was portrayed as somebody who is in conflict with

:50:54. > :51:01.terrorists. The Syrian people are being sidelined. This is the

:51:02. > :51:05.propaganda that has been going on. The intelligence and the mind of

:51:06. > :51:10.Syrian people... This has been going on for a long time... I want to put

:51:11. > :51:14.your points to Peter Ford. I wonder if you have a response to some of

:51:15. > :51:21.those points, and also a quick point about whether the best we might hope

:51:22. > :51:25.for out of Geneva today is a movement towards longer ceasefires

:51:26. > :51:30.in order to get humanitarian help through. The last speaker doesn't

:51:31. > :51:35.answer the question. He could not deny that the people who would take

:51:36. > :51:44.over power is the Assad regime -- if the Assad regime foul would be

:51:45. > :51:47.Islamists. It isn't good enough just to put up men wearing suits to give

:51:48. > :51:53.the impression that the moderates are in control on the opposition

:51:54. > :52:01.side. It is the Islamists. I'm hopeful there can be a breathing

:52:02. > :52:06.space arranged now with the talks. It is good that these two powers are

:52:07. > :52:12.coming together. They are at a point of convergence. They want to

:52:13. > :52:16.concentrate on the fight against Isis. They also want to work against

:52:17. > :52:23.the Al-Qaeda leader franchise, which is the biggest of the rebel groups.

:52:24. > :52:26.Even though this group have rebadged themselves, they were the Miz

:52:27. > :52:36.reference, now they call themselves something else. -- a worthy al-Nusra

:52:37. > :52:45.Front -- they were the al-Nusra Front. Thank you very much, we need

:52:46. > :52:51.to leave it there. I apologise that we lost our former adviser in

:52:52. > :52:53.Moscow. We will tell you what is coming up later in the programme.

:52:54. > :52:56.Voting for the new leader of the Green Party closed yesterday.

:52:57. > :53:02.We'll ask four party members what they think.

:53:03. > :53:11.And about what might be next for the Green party.

:53:12. > :53:18.NHS services across England could see sharp cuts as part of efficiency

:53:19. > :53:21.measures. The BBC has seen the plans. It looks like more than 40

:53:22. > :53:26.areas have been asked to outline possible cost-cutting measures which

:53:27. > :53:36.could mean hospital closures and changes to GP and accident and

:53:37. > :53:43.emergency departments. It sounds radical, what can you tell us? It is

:53:44. > :53:48.part of a process which is under. 40 areas have been told to come up with

:53:49. > :53:50.plans to make the best possible use of resources, efficiency savings,

:53:51. > :53:55.because of the increasing demand for health care across the country and

:53:56. > :53:59.there only being a certain amount of money to do it. The final plans will

:54:00. > :54:04.be put out in October. It will all be approved by NHS England and

:54:05. > :54:06.regulator, and then will be put out to consultation. But we are

:54:07. > :54:11.beginning to see the outlines of some of these plans. The BBC has

:54:12. > :54:16.seen some of them. The group 38 degrees has discovered some. It

:54:17. > :54:20.means beds have been cut in hospitals and in accident and

:54:21. > :54:25.emergency department being cut in one area. GP services under review.

:54:26. > :54:32.This will be resisted by many. But managers have said that we need to

:54:33. > :54:36.consolidate. We have talked in the last few weeks, haven't we?

:54:37. > :54:39.Discussing the closure of accident and emergency departments. On the

:54:40. > :54:43.surface it is and intuitive because people think, you cannot close my

:54:44. > :54:47.local one, if something happens to be a need to get there as soon as

:54:48. > :54:51.possible. But some managers are arguing, quality not quantity, we

:54:52. > :54:57.might close a few, but we make those that exist much better, they would

:54:58. > :55:04.argue. Is this the drift we are talking about? Yes. Better to

:55:05. > :55:08.concentrate on fewer sites and actually do a top-class job there

:55:09. > :55:12.rather than spread your resources to Sydney. NHS England say this is part

:55:13. > :55:16.of the efficiency savings process which has always been talked about,

:55:17. > :55:20.what is needed to reduce the finance gap by the year 2020. But local

:55:21. > :55:27.campaigners will say, what does it mean for us? What do these cuts

:55:28. > :55:30.mean? Are there enough local debates going on? Is there enough of a

:55:31. > :55:34.chance to come back with an alternative view. We will learn more

:55:35. > :55:38.by October when they are finalised. No doubt in local areas around

:55:39. > :55:41.England there will be some opposition to them. We presumably

:55:42. > :55:47.will continue the debate about better management of what we, I mean

:55:48. > :55:51.we as a society, but what the NHS currently offers. How often do we

:55:52. > :55:55.have stories and talk about bed blocking, for example? We hear it a

:55:56. > :55:59.lot, that the social care system isn't integrated with our hospitals,

:56:00. > :56:02.therefore people ready to leave hospital can't go because there

:56:03. > :56:06.isn't the right care home facilities for them. And by definition they are

:56:07. > :56:11.taking up valuable space. That debate is going to continue,

:56:12. > :56:14.presumably. The head of NHS England who initiated this process has said

:56:15. > :56:18.that is why the local health leaders have to sit with local council

:56:19. > :56:22.leaders who run the budgets and work out what is the best way forward

:56:23. > :56:26.with the money there is. A more joined up, collaborative approach to

:56:27. > :56:30.try and end the bed blocking problem if there is a lack of social care.

:56:31. > :56:34.That's all very well. Some will say it needs more money. The NHS,

:56:35. > :56:39.although it has had money each year, not enough to keep up with demand,

:56:40. > :56:43.not enough to keep up with the ageing population. Some people will

:56:44. > :56:48.save that is what it is all about. We always talk about the NHS Budget

:56:49. > :56:51.being ring fenced. But we as a country spends less comparatively

:56:52. > :56:55.than a lot of other European countries. As a share of economic

:56:56. > :56:59.output and national income, less than France and Germany. Some say we

:57:00. > :57:03.get good value for that money. But we spend less than other leading

:57:04. > :57:11.industrialised country on our health care system. Thank you very much.

:57:12. > :57:14.Coming up: women keep fit while pregnant? We will be joined by a

:57:15. > :57:19.leading professor and a former Olympian who has written a book

:57:20. > :57:29.about how to do it safely. Could this, that looks hard. -- goodness.

:57:30. > :57:33.We will be discussing that later on he was coming in who has very

:57:34. > :57:38.recently given birth. Extraordinary. Let's catch up with the weather

:57:39. > :57:43.prospects. Morning. Yesterday was a cloudy day for many.

:57:44. > :57:48.That has all moved away. The rest of today is looking pretty good. It's

:57:49. > :57:51.been a lovely start. There were some early thunderstorms towards the far

:57:52. > :57:57.south-east but they have cleared away. Most places basking in lovely

:57:58. > :58:01.late August sunshine. Thicker cloud in north-western Scotland. There

:58:02. > :58:04.have been some heavy showers here. This has been captured by one of our

:58:05. > :58:08.weather watchers in the Highlands. But towards the East of Scotland,

:58:09. > :58:12.what a contrast. Patchy cloud, but it looks pretty good with the

:58:13. > :58:15.sunshine. For the north-east of England, North Yorkshire, we have

:58:16. > :58:19.seen a good start with plenty of sunshine. And I think sunshine will

:58:20. > :58:24.be the order of the day for much of England and Wales. Light winds in

:58:25. > :58:31.the far south. Patchy clouds in western areas. But it'll be fine and

:58:32. > :58:35.dry away from the western side of Scotland. The eastern side of

:58:36. > :58:39.Scotland should stay fine and dry, maybe 20 degrees towards the

:58:40. > :58:44.Aberdeen area. You'll catch a shower in Northern Ireland, but there is

:58:45. > :58:48.lot of sunshine to have. Not quite as humid as it has been across the

:58:49. > :58:53.south-east but still very warm, maybe 27 degrees in a few places.

:58:54. > :58:57.Humidity is lower. A decent afternoon further west, temperatures

:58:58. > :59:02.in the low 20s. It stays quiet overnight. Light winds across

:59:03. > :59:08.England and Wales. Low cloud, mist and fog in some places, even though

:59:09. > :59:12.showers in the far north become few and far between. Temperatures around

:59:13. > :59:16.12 degrees in towns and cities. More comfortable, particularly in the

:59:17. > :59:21.South East with the low humidity, but still fairly warm, 17 degrees in

:59:22. > :59:25.the London area. On Saturday there are some questions about the extent

:59:26. > :59:29.of the rain. At the moment it looks that we will see showers drifting up

:59:30. > :59:35.from the south. They will merge late in the afternoon. Some of the rain

:59:36. > :59:39.could be heavy. Affecting the Midlands and southern central part

:59:40. > :59:44.of England. It'll turn humid in the south-east corner. Saturday night

:59:45. > :59:48.and Sunday, that rain looks like it'll work its way to the north.

:59:49. > :59:53.There will be heavy rain to go with that. It looks like it'll pull into

:59:54. > :59:56.the North Sea. Towards Sunday, looking straight forward, a day of

:59:57. > :00:02.sunny spells and a scattering of showers. Temperatures between 18 and

:00:03. > :00:07.19 in Glasgow, at 23, 24 in the London area. Looking pretty good

:00:08. > :00:11.bank holiday Monday. Showers on the eastern side of England. Rain in the

:00:12. > :00:16.North West of Scotland. In between, a lot of fine and dry weather.

:00:17. > :00:18.Hello, I'm Jane Hill standing in for Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:19. > :00:20.Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:00:21. > :00:26.Italy declares a state of emergency after the earthquake that's now

:00:27. > :00:33.known to have killed 267 people and left 400 injured.

:00:34. > :00:40.This is the scene live in Italy as the search continues

:00:41. > :00:52.And it's now three months since so-called legal highs were banned -

:00:53. > :00:55.the government says hundreds of shops no longer sell them -

:00:56. > :00:57.but we hear a warning that the problem has simply moved

:00:58. > :01:00.And working out - safely - while pregnant.

:01:01. > :01:03.A leading professor and former Olympian has published a guide

:01:04. > :01:24.Let's go to the BBC Newsroom for a summary of today's news.

:01:25. > :01:28.The death toll from the Italian earthquake has risen to 267 -

:01:29. > :01:30.and nearly have been 400 people injured.

:01:31. > :01:32.Last night it was revealed that at least three Britons

:01:33. > :01:36.Italy's Prime Minister has declared a state of emergency

:01:37. > :01:40.There's been a strong aftershock this morning near the site

:01:41. > :01:42.of Wednesday's devastating tremor - it's believed to have

:01:43. > :01:48.NHS services across England could be dramatically cut,

:01:49. > :01:52.as part of wide-ranging efficiency plans seen by the BBC.

:01:53. > :01:55.44 areas have been asked to draw up money-saving measures,

:01:56. > :01:58.which include cuts to bed numbers and changes to care provided by GPs

:01:59. > :02:04.NHS England says no changes will be made without local consultation

:02:05. > :02:06.but health think tank the Nuffield Trust has warned

:02:07. > :02:12.In a lot of these types of reconfigurations you don't

:02:13. > :02:18.The patients simply go to the next hospital down the road.

:02:19. > :02:20.They have to travel further, but it rarely saves

:02:21. > :02:27.Police in Surrey say they're taking reports

:02:28. > :02:30.of a possible child abduction in Redhill "extremely seriously".

:02:31. > :02:33.A witness has reported seeing a boy - thought to be

:02:34. > :02:35.about six or seven - being taken into a van

:02:36. > :02:40.A bike, believed to belong to the child, was left at the scene.

:02:41. > :02:46.We'll be getting the latest from our correspondent in Redhill -

:02:47. > :02:51.Motorists heading to and from Calais are being warned to be extra

:02:52. > :02:53.vigilant as armed people smugglers resort to increasingly violent

:02:54. > :02:59.Gangs have been spotted using trees to block roads -

:03:00. > :03:02.causing traffic to stop - and threatening drivers so they can

:03:03. > :03:04.get migrants on board lorries more easily.

:03:05. > :03:06.The authorities in Calais say the French army should be called

:03:07. > :03:09.in because the roads leading to the port have become a "no-go

:03:10. > :03:19.zone" during one of the busiest weekends of the year.

:03:20. > :03:21.A bomb has gone off outside a police headquarters building

:03:22. > :03:25.Reports say at least 11 people have been killed -

:03:26. > :03:29.The attack - in Cizre - has been blamed on Kurdish

:03:30. > :03:35.The US Secretary of State John Kerry is meeting Russia's Foreign Minister

:03:36. > :03:37.Sergei Lavrov in Geneva later, to try to broker

:03:38. > :03:41.a temporary ceasefire in the Syrian city of Aleppo.

:03:42. > :03:45.The city has seen intense fighting between government forces and rebels

:03:46. > :03:48.and at least a quarter of a million people are believed to be trapped

:03:49. > :03:55.Nearly 200 people have been arrested in the first three months

:03:56. > :03:58.after a blanket ban on drugs formerly known as "legal highs" came

:03:59. > :04:04.That's according to figures uncovered by BBC Radio 5 Live.

:04:05. > :04:07.The legislation made it an offence to produce or supply the substances,

:04:08. > :04:10.which can mimic the effects of drugs such as cocaine,

:04:11. > :04:17.Police say hundreds of shops have been stopped from selling them.

:04:18. > :04:19.Police in Brazil have charged the American swimmer, Ryan Lochte,

:04:20. > :04:23.The 12-time Olympic medallist had claimed that he and three team-mates

:04:24. > :04:26.were robbed at gunpoint during the Rio Games,

:04:27. > :04:30.but later apologised and admitted he was drunk.

:04:31. > :04:33.The crime faces a maximum penalty of 18 months in prison

:04:34. > :04:36.and the 32-year-old could be tried in his absence if he

:04:37. > :04:49.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

:04:50. > :04:53.We'll be talking more about the legal highs story that we mentioned

:04:54. > :04:57.as well, coming up a little later. Do get in touch with us

:04:58. > :04:59.throughout the morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLive

:05:00. > :05:02.and if you text, you will be charged With some very special guests I

:05:03. > :05:15.think! Good morning, Jane. Well as you said earlier Jane,

:05:16. > :05:18.we just can't get enough of talking about the Rio Olympics

:05:19. > :05:21.because it was such a great success for Team GB -

:05:22. > :05:23.and in particular our Track Cyclists - we're joined by three

:05:24. > :05:25.of the victorious Women's Team Pursuit -

:05:26. > :05:27.Elinor Barker, Katie Archibald and Joanna Rowsell Shand -

:05:28. > :05:29.Laura Trott is missing but we will forgive her

:05:30. > :05:41.as she did make a visit We just wanted to ask you, I'll

:05:42. > :05:44.start with you Elinor, if the achievement has sunk in now you are

:05:45. > :05:52.home? I haven't had much time to think about it. It feels a bit nice

:05:53. > :05:56.to be back to normal life with normal people again. Katie, lots of

:05:57. > :06:00.the athletes we've been speaking to spoke about this Rio bubble and not

:06:01. > :06:07.really understanding what you had achieved until you got back home.

:06:08. > :06:10.Was it the same for you? 100%. We walked through Heathrow Airport to

:06:11. > :06:15.rows and rows of applause. I thought, you are going to get tired

:06:16. > :06:19.because there's a lot of medallists on this plane! Completely bizarre.

:06:20. > :06:26.You've never experienced anything like this, what was it like back

:06:27. > :06:30.home? I've been home, had a Chinese takeaway last night. LAUGHTER

:06:31. > :06:37.Sitting on the sofa, feeling a bit ordinary. Joanna, can we talk about

:06:38. > :06:41.the actual sport. Can we hark back to the build-up to the Olympic Games

:06:42. > :06:45.and the World Championships. Team GB on the track received a lot of

:06:46. > :06:49.criticism at the World Championships, we heard stories

:06:50. > :06:53.about old equipment being used, a ploy to get sure main rivals to

:06:54. > :07:00.think you weren't as strong as you were going to be at Rio? Definitely.

:07:01. > :07:05.We save the good kit for the Olympics. The helmets for example,

:07:06. > :07:10.we last wore those four years ago in London. Every big competition we go

:07:11. > :07:13.to, we say give us the Olympic helmets and they say no. We only

:07:14. > :07:19.bring up the good stuff once every four years. If we can cut a good

:07:20. > :07:23.result at the World Championships on what is comparatively training kit I

:07:24. > :07:26.suppose, that's always a good sign. In 2012 we won the World

:07:27. > :07:33.Championships on the training kit. This year we got a bronze. There was

:07:34. > :07:39.a bit of criticism but I think we knew that it was all still to play

:07:40. > :07:42.for. We enjoyed the limelight and enjoyed the pressure going to be

:07:43. > :07:50.Olympics as the world champions. We knew we had work to do and a few

:07:51. > :07:55.things up our sleeve. Elinor, a lot has been said about the funding for

:07:56. > :08:00.track cycling, a lot of money going into the system. Does it currently

:08:01. > :08:04.work as it is or some the sports further down who don't get as many

:08:05. > :08:09.medals as you should be given a bigger portion of lottery funding?

:08:10. > :08:13.I've never been asked that before. I know cycling is an expensive sport.

:08:14. > :08:23.If we had a funding cut it would take a big hit. We take two or three

:08:24. > :08:29.bikes to a training camp. We rely on a lot of funding. The innovation

:08:30. > :08:35.that goes into the kit takes quite a lot of funding as well. It's a

:08:36. > :08:40.medals -based system. The analysis of where you come from at the start,

:08:41. > :08:51.and the cycle of we've had success so be get the funding, which brings

:08:52. > :08:54.more success. I think people in offices are having these discussions

:08:55. > :08:59.and we have been fortunate with the support we've had from lottery

:09:00. > :09:03.funding. Joanna, we wanted to end with you. You appeared alongside

:09:04. > :09:09.Clare Balding and Sir Chris Hoy doing some summarising for the BBC.

:09:10. > :09:16.It was very well received your analysis, is up something you see

:09:17. > :09:21.for the future? Maybe. It was surprising to have so many positive

:09:22. > :09:26.comments. I've never had such an overwhelming response. I'm not sure

:09:27. > :09:33.what it was I did so well this time. I really enjoyed it and it was nice

:09:34. > :09:38.to give that sort of insight on how good some performances are. A lot of

:09:39. > :09:43.people see us winning gold medals, and a new personal best, and really

:09:44. > :09:49.highlight how good some of the performances are along the way. The

:09:50. > :09:53.next Olympics. Are you planning to stay together or do you see

:09:54. > :09:59.yourselves moving away from cycling before then? We go a bit as separate

:10:00. > :10:04.ways that the next year or so. There's so much more to cycling than

:10:05. > :10:12.just track cycling, there's the road cycling as well. Coming back for

:10:13. > :10:14.Tokyo would be nice. Congratulations again for the medals that she won in

:10:15. > :10:18.Rio. That's all the sport for now. More now on our top story -

:10:19. > :10:21.the Italian earthquake - and an official in the Italian town

:10:22. > :10:24.of Amatrice says three British On the line is Nick Squires

:10:25. > :10:32.a correspondent for the Telegraph is in Reiti around 40

:10:33. > :10:49.miles from Amatrice. The town at the epicentre that we

:10:50. > :10:52.keep talking about. Talk is through your experiences and what you've

:10:53. > :10:58.been seeing and what people have been saying to you. Good morning.

:10:59. > :11:02.I've been in the earthquake zone since early on Wednesday, since

:11:03. > :11:07.about 8am in the morning on Wednesday. I've seen all of the

:11:08. > :11:13.villages and towns that have been hit hardest by the earthquake. I'm

:11:14. > :11:18.sure it's been said before but they really do resemble either a

:11:19. > :11:24.Hollywood disaster movie or some sort of scene from a war. Houses and

:11:25. > :11:29.hotels and shops are completely flattened. They've been reduced of

:11:30. > :11:34.rubble. There's bits of twisted metal, bits of timber sticking up in

:11:35. > :11:39.the air. You have some very traumatised locals still in the

:11:40. > :11:45.area. People are sleeping in encampments put up by the emergency

:11:46. > :11:51.services. Meanwhile the rescue work goes on around the clock. Firemen,

:11:52. > :11:55.police and the Army have been working all last night. As they

:11:56. > :11:59.burrow into the rubble to try and look for survivors, we keep getting

:12:00. > :12:03.these after-shocks. There have been something like 400 after-shocks in

:12:04. > :12:09.the last couple of days. Some of which you don't feel but this

:12:10. > :12:15.morning I felt a very big one, four .8 magnitude at 6:30am. It brought

:12:16. > :12:22.down some buildings in Amatrice. I believe you are on your way to a

:12:23. > :12:32.hospital. What specifically are you going there for? I'm in the town of

:12:33. > :12:37.Rieti. I'm outside the town's hospital. Inside there aren't two

:12:38. > :12:43.British tourists who were injured in the earthquake. A man and a wife we

:12:44. > :12:48.believe. They were staying in a small hamlet outside the devastated

:12:49. > :12:58.town of Amatrice when the earthquake hit. We understand that three

:12:59. > :13:05.British people were killed. We are trying to verify that with the

:13:06. > :13:12.British Embassy in Rome. Thank you very much. We must let you go. Nick

:13:13. > :13:15.Squires is a correspondent for the Telegraph in the region. We'll keep

:13:16. > :13:22.you up to date if we get any more information about that. We will also

:13:23. > :13:27.be talking about that news coming through from Surrey Police, what

:13:28. > :13:33.appears to be an abduction of a young boy, being put into a van.

:13:34. > :13:40.Let's speak to Keith Doyle who joins me from Redhill. What is being said?

:13:41. > :13:44.Good morning. This is a very unusual situation in that we've had a huge

:13:45. > :13:49.police search taking place overnight and this morning for a missing boy,

:13:50. > :13:56.but no reports of a missing child. What we know is that just behind me

:13:57. > :14:01.on the bend in the road, at 4:45pm yesterday, a member of the public

:14:02. > :14:06.reported seeing a child being bundled into a black van. The child

:14:07. > :14:10.is between six and seven, a boy, white, around four foot high wearing

:14:11. > :14:15.a red T-shirt and navy jeans. He left behind a mountain bike and we

:14:16. > :14:21.have a picture of that. This was left behind at the scene. Police are

:14:22. > :14:25.obviously wanting to know if anyone recognises this bike. There have

:14:26. > :14:32.been no reports of a missing child. The black transporter Volkswagen had

:14:33. > :14:38.a side door on it and windows blacked out, or no back windows at

:14:39. > :14:46.all. That Fran had three alloy wheels but the front nearside one

:14:47. > :14:56.was missing -- that van. It also had alloy side bars on the side. Police

:14:57. > :15:01.have issued this picture of the van. This particular van has been ruled

:15:02. > :15:08.out but it is a van similar to this. It is right by Redhill Station, if

:15:09. > :15:13.anyone was there between 430 or 5pm yesterday afternoon, or indeed if

:15:14. > :15:19.they recognise the bike. Or if they can relate to the story, there could

:15:20. > :15:23.well be an innocent explanation. A huge police search has been going

:15:24. > :15:31.on, a helicopter and a large number of officers out. No child has yet

:15:32. > :15:35.been reported missing. Thank you. Nearly 200 people have been arrested

:15:36. > :15:37.in the first three months since a blanket ban on drugs

:15:38. > :15:40.formerly known as "legal highs" came Police say that hundreds

:15:41. > :15:44.of shops have been stopped The legislation made it an offence

:15:45. > :15:48.to produce or supply any substances which produce similar effects

:15:49. > :15:51.to illegal drugs - so that's anything which creates

:15:52. > :15:55.a psychoactive response, A lot of people, especially

:15:56. > :16:29.around my age, think they don't really want a criminal record,

:16:30. > :16:34.so the easy way to go about it and still, like, get, sort of, high,

:16:35. > :16:38.is to get these legal highs. It is an increasing problem,

:16:39. > :16:53.especially with the youth. The main problem is that people

:16:54. > :16:59.really have no idea what it is... He was getting in trouble

:17:00. > :17:18.with the police. He ended up in hospital

:17:19. > :17:24.two or three times. 50 yards away, he could

:17:25. > :17:43.get legal highs. The main danger of nitrous oxide

:17:44. > :17:49.is a lack of oxygen. What that can lead to is what's

:17:50. > :17:53.called hypoxia, which can damage the brain, it can also

:17:54. > :17:55.cause heart problems, rhythm problems and,

:17:56. > :17:57.if you have a pre-existing heart condition, it can

:17:58. > :18:21.lead to a heart attack. With me is Jeremy Sare

:18:22. > :18:25.from the Angelus Foundation which raises awareness of and warns

:18:26. > :18:28.against the dangers of legal highs - and in Bristol we're joined

:18:29. > :18:31.by Danny Cushlick from Transform, a think tank that campaigns

:18:32. > :18:46.for the legal regulation of drugs The best figures we've heard for the

:18:47. > :18:55.first three months, what does that say to you about this this -- about

:18:56. > :18:58.this legislation? It has been encouragingly effective so far. --

:18:59. > :19:07.the arrest figures. The high street have compelled to stop trading. That

:19:08. > :19:13.has got to be a good thing. Everybody should agree with that.

:19:14. > :19:18.The arrests show that the enforcement authorities are taking

:19:19. > :19:22.it seriously. But I would prefer a figure like half a million young

:19:23. > :19:27.people are being educated about legal highs rather than so many

:19:28. > :19:32.arrests. That's interesting. There is still a lot more education to do,

:19:33. > :19:39.is that what you are suggesting by that? Yeah, this announcement, it is

:19:40. > :19:44.welcome to see it as having an impact, particularly online, but we

:19:45. > :19:48.have a drug strategy which covers not just enforcement, but treatment,

:19:49. > :19:53.education and prevention. I don't know if we are seeing that reflected

:19:54. > :20:00.in the overall measures against these what we legal highs. Danny, is

:20:01. > :20:05.this working, this legislation, in your opinion? I've got to agree with

:20:06. > :20:11.Jeremy. The issue is about protecting the health of people who

:20:12. > :20:16.continue to use, and education is massively important. The problem

:20:17. > :20:23.here is that the formerly legal highs market was actually created by

:20:24. > :20:27.the prohibition of traditional drugs like ecstasy, cocaine, and magic

:20:28. > :20:32.mushroom. That was caused by the prohibition. Now we're using another

:20:33. > :20:36.prohibition to get rid of the physical sales of these drugs. But

:20:37. > :20:42.they are still around. People are still using them. People stockpiled

:20:43. > :20:46.them before the ban came in. And now they are being sold illegally by

:20:47. > :20:50.criminal dealers on the Internet. It doesn't actually deal with the

:20:51. > :20:55.problem. As Jeremy says, it doesn't deal with the problem of health.

:20:56. > :20:58.What it does is get rid of a visible PR problem. This is a PR stunt more

:20:59. > :21:03.than anything because it doesn't deal with the fundamental problem of

:21:04. > :21:06.dealing with people's health. Has it actually driven the problem

:21:07. > :21:11.underground, Jeremy? If people really want to use them somehow they

:21:12. > :21:17.will find them, particularly as Danny suggests, on the dark web,

:21:18. > :21:23.that sort of thing. I think people will seek out to find them and they

:21:24. > :21:25.will get them. The market was mainly driven by the legality and

:21:26. > :21:31.availability. The substances, if they were high-pressure low risk

:21:32. > :21:36.then you would expect on the dark net they would be sold alongside

:21:37. > :21:40.cannabis and ecstasy. But they are not. There isn't a demand for those

:21:41. > :21:43.who want to buy what they like. Do you think that's right, Danny, that

:21:44. > :21:49.they are not necessarily available in the way we might think? The point

:21:50. > :21:52.here, as I said, the market was created by the prohibition of

:21:53. > :21:57.traditional drugs. What we need to do is look at on doing that

:21:58. > :22:02.unintended consequence. That means going back and looking at the legal

:22:03. > :22:06.regulation of more benign and better-known substances that clearly

:22:07. > :22:08.cause less harm and that people understand, rather than order

:22:09. > :22:14.molecules that have been produced in China. What this is about is about

:22:15. > :22:17.taking a step back and rather than applying again and again a failed

:22:18. > :22:26.bank, a failed prohibition, that creates the same problems that

:22:27. > :22:30.prohibition of alcohol did in America in the early 20s. We should

:22:31. > :22:35.be looking at the more benign, the drugs that we know best, those which

:22:36. > :22:38.have been used for hundreds of years, like cannabis, and actually

:22:39. > :22:43.allow these to be sold to people over the age of 18 by a licensed

:22:44. > :22:46.vendor with a health and safety warning on and on ingredients guide.

:22:47. > :22:51.It actually that will keep people safe. In the Netherlands where they

:22:52. > :22:54.have a copy shop system for cannabis and they have decriminalised the

:22:55. > :22:59.possession of other drugs, they don't have a problem with legal

:23:00. > :23:03.highs. I feel as if people will be listening to you, particularly when

:23:04. > :23:07.you talk about cannabis, saying it isn't benign. We know cannabis is

:23:08. > :23:11.getting stronger. We know it can cause mental health problems when it

:23:12. > :23:15.is used for an extended period of time. All sorts of social problems

:23:16. > :23:19.have been created by it. It can lead onto other things. That is why there

:23:20. > :23:25.is the prohibition you talk about that doesn't stop people using it.

:23:26. > :23:29.The issue here is about protecting public health. Particularly people

:23:30. > :23:34.who continue to use, particularly young and vulnerable people. The ban

:23:35. > :23:38.on cannabis, cocaine, ecstasy hasn't stopped enough people using. There

:23:39. > :23:41.are millions of people who use cannabis all the time, despite the

:23:42. > :23:45.fact it is strong and has risks associated with it, they are using

:23:46. > :23:51.it, buying it from people who are not licensed, where there is no

:23:52. > :23:55.ingredients list, no purity guide, no opportunity for people to access

:23:56. > :23:59.the kind of education Jeremy was talking about. That is just wrong.

:24:00. > :24:04.The government is looking at a PR. It is looking at propaganda, it

:24:05. > :24:07.seizures and arrests to show how they are protecting people, but they

:24:08. > :24:15.are actually not, they are putting people in more harm. Thanks very

:24:16. > :24:16.much to both of you. Never enough time to discuss that conjugated

:24:17. > :24:22.issue. Thank you very much indeed. Let's just go back now to the story

:24:23. > :24:26.we covered earlier this morning - our debate about the rising numbers

:24:27. > :24:28.of children detained This story comes from figures

:24:29. > :24:32.the BBC has exclusively obtained. Well we've had quite

:24:33. > :24:40.a few responses from you. Margaret on text -

:24:41. > :24:47.When the young girls who went to join Islamic state supposedly

:24:48. > :24:49.without their parents' knowledge there was a huge outcry

:24:50. > :24:51.because the authorities had Anon on text - The terror law

:24:52. > :24:59.needs to be changed. I am a white male who often

:25:00. > :25:01.travels on my own. Graham on text - Schedule seven

:25:02. > :25:10.is designed to protect all of our society -

:25:11. > :25:26.no one should be concerned Lots of responses, sorry I cannot

:25:27. > :25:27.get through them all. Thank you if you did get in touch.

:25:28. > :26:04.We've also had a response from the Home Office.

:26:05. > :26:07.A GP and mother of two who died of cancer after being misdiagnosed

:26:08. > :26:10.for two years has written a posthumous article warning

:26:11. > :26:16.doctors of the dangers of "superhuman" workload.

:26:17. > :26:19.Dr Lisa Steen, died in February from a rare kidney disease that

:26:20. > :26:24.physicians initially diagnosed as psychiatric problems.

:26:25. > :26:27.In her online blog, as well as the workload issue,

:26:28. > :26:29.she also warned health care professionals about the dangers

:26:30. > :26:31.of being left in the "medical wilderness" by refusing

:26:32. > :26:44.In a moment, we'll talk to her husband who gave permission

:26:45. > :26:55.for the blog to be published by the British Medical Journal,

:26:56. > :26:57.where she says: We are trained to keep going,

:26:58. > :27:48.That was just some of what Lisa wrote. That blog has been published

:27:49. > :27:50.posthumously. Raymond Brown, Lisa's husband,

:27:51. > :28:04.joins me now from our Very good of you to speak to us on

:28:05. > :28:10.the BBC this morning. Why particularly did you and Lisa want

:28:11. > :28:16.this blog, her diary, her thoughts to be published? What awareness is

:28:17. > :28:20.she trying to raise? Lisa found herself with an unexplained medical

:28:21. > :28:23.condition over about two years. Seemed to come up against brick

:28:24. > :28:28.walls all the time she went to her doctors to find out what was going

:28:29. > :28:32.on. She used to hit the books every night herself trying to work out

:28:33. > :28:37.what was wrong with her with this myriad of symptoms that she couldn't

:28:38. > :28:42.understand. She felt that when she went to her doctors it confused the

:28:43. > :28:53.issue, the fact she was a doctor, too. And who was leading the hunt

:28:54. > :29:00.for the diagnosis, really. Also, the attitude that she felt that doctors

:29:01. > :29:04.cannot be ill, the them and us situation, the doctor and the

:29:05. > :29:08.patient. Even a highly qualified Doctor like Lisa couldn't be

:29:09. > :29:12.diagnosed over two years. And when we did eventually get the diagnosis

:29:13. > :29:18.it was quite shocking because the cancer had spread all over her body,

:29:19. > :29:23.in her bones, and it was too late by then. She just wants to highlight

:29:24. > :29:29.the fact that there can be confusion when doctors are treating doctors.

:29:30. > :29:33.And maybe something can be changed. And how that attitude is portrayed,

:29:34. > :29:41.and how the doctor looks at another doctor. How did she feel about that

:29:42. > :29:45.emotionally? From an emotional perspective she had given her entire

:29:46. > :29:48.career to the NHS, she had done all of those years of training you have

:29:49. > :29:54.to go through to become a doctor, she worked in a busy hospital, and

:29:55. > :30:01.yet she was let down by the system that she had given so much time and

:30:02. > :30:07.passion to, what did she say to you about that? She was very angry, very

:30:08. > :30:11.frustrated. She felt she wasn't being listened to. She described it

:30:12. > :30:16.as being like a goldfish opening its mouth and sort of not being heard.

:30:17. > :30:21.This seemed to happen over and over again. It wasn't as if she hadn't

:30:22. > :30:27.tried. She was going to the doctor all the time. She tried various

:30:28. > :30:37.diagnoses she thought might be the cause of it. She went privately for

:30:38. > :30:40.tests. You cannot be an expert in and everything. She relied on the

:30:41. > :30:46.other doctors to treat her when she was ill. This wasn't happening. It

:30:47. > :30:50.was a hellish two years trying to work out what was going on for her.

:30:51. > :30:56.And it almost came as a relief to her in the end that she was actually

:30:57. > :31:00.diagnosed. Sadly it was cancer and it was terminal and she was given

:31:01. > :31:08.two years to live, which turned out to be the case. Do your children ask

:31:09. > :31:14.questions about that? Do they say, but mummy was a doctor? Some

:31:15. > :31:15.children might even think a doctor can diagnose themselves. How has it

:31:16. > :31:27.impacted on them? How has it impacted on them? They

:31:28. > :31:33.have been devastated by it. Lisa was an incredible mother and a beautiful

:31:34. > :31:39.and intelligent woman. Hundreds of her patients have paid tribute to

:31:40. > :31:44.her. The children are resilient. We are just trying to survive. They do

:31:45. > :31:49.ask questions about it and they obviously overheard what was going

:31:50. > :31:58.on and they just felt angry with the doctors, really. For not helping

:31:59. > :32:03.their mother. Raymond Brown, we wish you the very best as a family. We

:32:04. > :32:05.know it's only six months since Lisa died and we are very grateful you

:32:06. > :32:14.were able to talk to us. We'll catch up with a summary of the

:32:15. > :32:19.latest news this morning. The death toll from the Italian

:32:20. > :32:23.earthquake has risen to 267 - and nearly have been

:32:24. > :32:25.400 people injured. Last night it was revealed that

:32:26. > :32:27.at least three Britons Italy's Prime Minister has declared

:32:28. > :32:31.a state of emergency There's been a strong aftershock

:32:32. > :32:34.this morning near the site of Wednesday's devastating tremor -

:32:35. > :32:36.it's believed to have NHS services across England

:32:37. > :32:40.could be dramatically cut, as part of wide-ranging efficiency

:32:41. > :32:42.plans seen by the BBC. 44 areas have been asked to draw up

:32:43. > :32:45.money-saving measures, which include cuts to bed numbers

:32:46. > :32:48.and changes to care provided by GPs NHS England says no changes will be

:32:49. > :32:53.made without local consultation but health think tank

:32:54. > :32:55.the Nuffield Trust has warned Police in Surrey say

:32:56. > :33:00.they're taking reports of a possible child abduction

:33:01. > :33:02.in Redhill "extremely seriously". A witness has reported seeing

:33:03. > :33:05.a boy - thought to be about six or seven -

:33:06. > :33:07.being taken into a van A bike, believed to belong

:33:08. > :33:11.to the child, was left at the scene. Figures obtained by this Programme

:33:12. > :33:18.show the number of under-18s detained under terror laws

:33:19. > :33:21.while coming in or out of the country, has more

:33:22. > :33:24.than tripled over two years. UK police have legal powers

:33:25. > :33:27.at airports to question and search people as part of schedule seven

:33:28. > :33:31.of the terrorism Act. Last year 46 young people

:33:32. > :33:34.were detained under this law. The Home Office says it is vital

:33:35. > :33:37.that the police have the powers That's a summary of the latest news,

:33:38. > :34:01.join me for BBC Newsroom Do you have someone else special

:34:02. > :34:05.with you again? It's another Olympic mad day in the BBC sports centre but

:34:06. > :34:10.I have a rather special young lady with me now, the gymnast Amy Tinkler

:34:11. > :34:14.was the youngest member of Team GB at the Olympics and you won a bronze

:34:15. > :34:17.medal on the floor. We are going to ask you some questions but I just

:34:18. > :34:20.want to show everyone in this clip because quite clearly you were

:34:21. > :34:29.destined for greatness at a young age. We're going to walk along the

:34:30. > :34:37.beam? Yeah. And do handstands? Cartwheels? The splits? The splits!

:34:38. > :34:43.Slightly embarrassing for you, was it your family who first got you

:34:44. > :34:50.into gymnastics? My parents were friends of my coaches so it seemed

:34:51. > :34:55.natural to go along to sessions. I was in the elite squad by the age of

:34:56. > :35:00.five or six. We can see you there at the Rio Olympics there as well. Do

:35:01. > :35:04.you understand the enormity of what you have achieved? To be honest it

:35:05. > :35:08.hasn't really sunk in. Pretty crazy. I'm trying to die just everything

:35:09. > :35:17.that happened. I didn't even expect to make a final never mind a medal.

:35:18. > :35:20.It's pretty crazy. Can you remember watching the London games? Did you

:35:21. > :35:25.ever think you would be at Rio competing and winning a medal? I got

:35:26. > :35:30.the opportunity to watch the final in London which was incredible. I

:35:31. > :35:36.wanted to be up there competing one day. But at no point did I expect I

:35:37. > :35:40.would ever get an Olympic medal. What was your experience like in

:35:41. > :35:50.Rio? It must have been daunting surrounded by so many big stars. It

:35:51. > :35:54.was overwhelming. Going up there and competing with them, it was amazing

:35:55. > :35:59.to share a podium with them. It was just amazing. I wanted to ask you

:36:00. > :36:03.about Max Whitlock, he took gold on the floor in the men's event. Did

:36:04. > :36:10.you speak to him, did you get any advice? I got the opportunity to go

:36:11. > :36:14.and watch him in his finals, he's such an inspiration and a lovely

:36:15. > :36:19.guy. Just before the competition he said good luck and go and enjoy it.

:36:20. > :36:25.You've earned this opportunity so just take it. More congratulations

:36:26. > :36:30.are in order, you've just got your GCSE results, you've done well so

:36:31. > :36:37.congratulations for that. What was it like combining the two? It was

:36:38. > :36:39.pretty difficult. Balancing 31 hours of training a week alongside

:36:40. > :36:47.schoolwork is always going to be hard. My school and gym club just

:36:48. > :36:53.worked together. I spent my GCSEs over three years. It's just getting

:36:54. > :36:57.that balance. It's OK. And A-levels to come now. Will they be your main

:36:58. > :37:03.focus rather than sport in the next couple of years? I think just

:37:04. > :37:07.carrying on with what I've been doing, training still will be a big

:37:08. > :37:12.part of my life. I've got the Commonwealth Games in two years'

:37:13. > :37:15.time and Tokyo in 2020. At the same time I would love to go to

:37:16. > :37:20.university so I've got to keep working hard at both. What do you

:37:21. > :37:27.think about the Tokyo games, is it your goal to win a gold medal on the

:37:28. > :37:32.floor? Simone Biles is looking like the next huge superstar of

:37:33. > :37:37.gymnastics. Tokyo is my main aim currently. Getting a gold medal is

:37:38. > :37:43.pretty hard. You are always going to have America who are incredible and

:37:44. > :37:46.gymnastics. They will always be fighting for one and two. Just got

:37:47. > :37:51.to keep working hard and seeing what happens. Best of luck with the

:37:52. > :37:53.future and congratulations for your bronze medal. That's all the sport

:37:54. > :37:59.now. Over the last month,

:38:00. > :38:01.members of the Green party have been voting to elect a new leader

:38:02. > :38:04.to replace Natalie Bennett - who will stand down

:38:05. > :38:07.after four years in office. The favourite, and the Green Party's

:38:08. > :38:10.only MP - Caroline Lucas - is running on a joint leadership

:38:11. > :38:12.ticket with the much less The result will be announced

:38:13. > :38:19.at the Green Party conference With us in the studio

:38:20. > :38:31.are four Green Party members who voted in the election,

:38:32. > :38:47.Alex Powell, Adele Ward, Thank you, you're all very active so

:38:48. > :38:53.you've all voted. I'm going to start by asking you who you voted for.

:38:54. > :38:57.Image. To start with our voting system, it wasn't you vote for one

:38:58. > :39:01.person and that's it. We did rank the candidates in order of

:39:02. > :39:06.preference. I did that Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley as my

:39:07. > :39:11.first preference. I went for Caroline and Jonathan. Caroline and

:39:12. > :39:15.Jonathan but even if it had just been Jonathan I would have voted for

:39:16. > :39:21.Jonathan. He deserves to be higher profile. I voted for David Malone

:39:22. > :39:26.but I only felt empowered to do that because operating system meant I

:39:27. > :39:34.could still rank Caroline and John is my second preference. Perhaps we

:39:35. > :39:38.are being very unfair starting off by saying he's not well known.

:39:39. > :39:45.Explain why you think he would be the right person running along with

:39:46. > :39:49.Caroline Lucas. It can seem like Caroline is the obvious choice but

:39:50. > :39:57.Jonathan I've seen at hustings, he stood to try and be a male

:39:58. > :40:01.candidate. He stood in for Sian Berry during the London may well

:40:02. > :40:11.elections and he was good in hustings. I met him at a speed

:40:12. > :40:15.dating event -- mayoral elections. Not to meet him, he's married! I've

:40:16. > :40:19.followed him for some time, I think he's very good and it's wonderful

:40:20. > :40:24.Caroline has given him this opportunity because he really

:40:25. > :40:28.deserves to be a joint leader. Who ever emerges as the winner in a few

:40:29. > :40:35.weeks' time, there might be people watching this to think, well,

:40:36. > :40:39.environmental policies, even people who care about environmental

:40:40. > :40:43.policies, they say actually what is the role of the Green Party now? Any

:40:44. > :40:49.party can adopt environmental policies. You've been very active,

:40:50. > :40:53.what is the point of the Green Party is what some people would say? I

:40:54. > :40:58.think the climate change issue is embedded in every problem we've got

:40:59. > :41:03.in the world. It's the underlying problem which we will have to face.

:41:04. > :41:08.To appeal to a wider group of people it obviously touches upon issues of

:41:09. > :41:13.social justice and how we fairly divide up what we have in the world.

:41:14. > :41:18.I think in the Green Party's core idea of being a climate change party

:41:19. > :41:21.has shifted in a natural way because the problem is embedded in

:41:22. > :41:25.everything we do. When you say to friends you vote for the Green

:41:26. > :41:30.Party, how many say that is a wasted vote because they are such a

:41:31. > :41:34.minority? The fact we are a smaller group means our voice gets heard

:41:35. > :41:37.more. Because maybe we stand out a bit more. And actually most of our

:41:38. > :41:42.policies have been adopted by people like the Labour Party over the years

:41:43. > :41:47.like renationalisation of the railways. We started off at

:41:48. > :41:53.campaigning about fracking, for example, put that on the map. We

:41:54. > :41:57.have to get our MP arrested but it brought it to the mainstream. Isn't

:41:58. > :42:03.that part of the point, imaging, a lot of your policies have been

:42:04. > :42:10.adopted by other mainstream parties -- Imogen. Isn't that a problem for

:42:11. > :42:13.the party to grow and get stronger? Every time for incidents in the

:42:14. > :42:17.London elections we were coming up with policies that which people look

:42:18. > :42:21.at and think that actually makes sense. It's then harder for the

:42:22. > :42:26.larger parties to ignore those policies. The fact we have been

:42:27. > :42:31.fighting an environmental policies since when the party was founded I

:42:32. > :42:34.think is one reason why it is not acceptable for major parties not to

:42:35. > :42:38.have environmental policies any more. We don't think there

:42:39. > :42:41.environmental policies go far enough, we are still here, we are

:42:42. > :42:48.fighting for what we believe is necessary. Alex, you used to be very

:42:49. > :42:54.involved within the Labour Party and you've moved. Why so? Labour were

:42:55. > :42:58.too centrist. I wasn't involved early enough to say it was due to

:42:59. > :43:02.Tony Blair. I moved away from them and I wanted a more radical economic

:43:03. > :43:06.agenda. One of the main reasons I'm in the Green Party, I care about the

:43:07. > :43:11.environment but it's more to do with the economic and social policies. I

:43:12. > :43:15.support universal Basic income, you can't talk about a right to life

:43:16. > :43:19.without talking about a right to the means to attain life. You need to

:43:20. > :43:25.give people the means to attain all basic necessities. We should be

:43:26. > :43:30.supporting universal Basic income which allows people to do that. When

:43:31. > :43:34.your new leader is chosen, do you want that lead to be more vocal

:43:35. > :43:38.about precisely the sort of thing you've just outlined? As I've

:43:39. > :43:42.suggested, people still think the Green Party, of course they care

:43:43. > :43:47.about the environment but what else? Do you not need a leader who's going

:43:48. > :43:51.to highlight you've just said. I think David Malone was because of

:43:52. > :43:59.his economic focus. I think he can take us out of this single issue

:44:00. > :44:04.image. It is untrue but that's how we've been portrayed. David Malone

:44:05. > :44:08.has written a book on the financial collapse. He writes regularly on a

:44:09. > :44:13.financial blog and his focus on the economy could derail this image that

:44:14. > :44:17.we are a one issue party. Do any of you feel that Natalie Bennett

:44:18. > :44:21.perhaps didn't get some of that message across, didn't manage to

:44:22. > :44:26.shift the debate to what you're saying to remind people that as you

:44:27. > :44:31.say, it's not a single issue party? Would you have liked her to be more

:44:32. > :44:34.forceful on that score? It's difficult to be forceful about your

:44:35. > :44:41.agenda when you have limited exposure as a smaller party on local

:44:42. > :44:48.issues I found from my local party involvement, we are more likely to

:44:49. > :44:53.get coverage on environmental issues. Even when we are also

:44:54. > :44:56.talking about social issues. I voted for David Malone as second choice

:44:57. > :45:01.because I believe that's also something that's very important for

:45:02. > :45:05.the party. I voted for Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley first

:45:06. > :45:08.because I agree that Jonathan Bartley is a powerful speaker and so

:45:09. > :45:13.is Caroline Lucas. They are both very good at representing us. When

:45:14. > :45:14.you've got limited time for someone to represent us you've got to make

:45:15. > :45:25.sure it's the best possible person. There is still only one MP, despite

:45:26. > :45:31.the amount of votes the Green party got, you can advance that without

:45:32. > :45:35.PR. We need electoral reform. It isn't just us. I think Labour need

:45:36. > :45:39.electoral reform now they have lost Scotland. I would really like to see

:45:40. > :45:44.Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith saying they would bring in electrical. On

:45:45. > :45:49.that note we must leave it. Thank you very much. We will find out in

:45:50. > :45:54.September. Thanks very much indeed for being with us.

:45:55. > :45:59.The coastline around the British Isles is often lashed by big waves

:46:00. > :46:00.and stormy seas with climate change offering the prospect of even more

:46:01. > :46:04.severe weather in the future. Now a new project at

:46:05. > :46:06.Plymouth University is looking to harness the power of those storms

:46:07. > :46:09.to not only create electricity but also act as a coastal

:46:10. > :46:12.defence at the same time. Storm Imogen hits the UK in February

:46:13. > :46:20.and yet again our coast is under The damage can be dramatic

:46:21. > :46:31.and devastating. Two years ago, the sea wall carrying

:46:32. > :46:34.the main rail routes in and out of South West England was washed

:46:35. > :46:36.away, leaving the track Severe weather is of course best

:46:37. > :46:44.avoided, but what if you could harness the power of a storm

:46:45. > :46:47.and turn it to your advantage? Well, that's exactly

:46:48. > :46:52.what they can do here. Welcome to Plymouth University's

:46:53. > :46:59.coast laboratory and wave generator. Here they can produce any wave

:47:00. > :47:03.and generate any sea state. And in this scaled down,

:47:04. > :47:05.controlled environment, The wave cat, designed

:47:06. > :47:10.to float just off the coast, It's an overtopping wage energy

:47:11. > :47:17.converter, and it's the work As the waves come in,

:47:18. > :47:23.you can see the waves coming in, they get compressed

:47:24. > :47:29.in the horizontal direction, And then they overtop

:47:30. > :47:34.into the bucket, we simply drain the water out,

:47:35. > :47:37.once we get enough water in there. So, it's almost like

:47:38. > :47:40.a floating hydroelectric dam. The wave cat's design means it can

:47:41. > :47:45.also ease the pressure stormy seas By extracting the energy,

:47:46. > :47:50.to generate electricity, we are of course taking energy out

:47:51. > :47:53.of the sea conditions, And so to do that, it means that

:47:54. > :48:01.there's less of that wave energy So the wave farm itself can act

:48:02. > :48:11.as part of the coastal defence system and help to protect

:48:12. > :48:13.the coastline from those From these small beginnings James

:48:14. > :48:17.can see a future where full-scale wave cats are arranged

:48:18. > :48:34.around our coast, and we can From these small beginnings James

:48:35. > :48:53.can see a future where full-scale wave cats are arranged

:48:54. > :48:56.around our coast, and we can at least partially turn stormy

:48:57. > :48:58.seas to our advantage. Nick Miller, BBC News,

:48:59. > :48:59.Plymouth. A leading Professor and former

:49:00. > :49:01.Olympian Greg Whyte, has released a new book called

:49:02. > :49:04.'Bump It Up' - a guide for keeping This book tackles the little known

:49:05. > :49:12.area of how to maintain healthy fitness levels leading up to,

:49:13. > :49:14.during and post pregnancy. Many myths on pregnancy are also

:49:15. > :49:17.tackled in this read and many mothers will learn what exercise

:49:18. > :49:19.is right for them. Lets talk to Professor Greg Whyte,

:49:20. > :49:23.Author of 'Bump It Up' and we can also talk to three women who have

:49:24. > :49:25.who have had different different approaches

:49:26. > :49:27.to exercise during pregnancy. They are Beki Gerrard,

:49:28. > :49:34.Hannah Clarke and Emily Leary. Martha is four months old and very

:49:35. > :49:40.well-behaved, long may that last. Thank you very much to all of you

:49:41. > :49:43.for joining us. I will just start with the man, even though we are

:49:44. > :49:48.talking about pregnancy, because your wife has had children. This

:49:49. > :49:52.drives some of this. How did you get into this? Why did you decide, with

:49:53. > :50:02.your wife I presume, that there was more room for discussion. We have

:50:03. > :50:07.three children. When my wife was first pregnant exercise came up. My

:50:08. > :50:11.immediate instinct was that there must be a book about it. Virtually

:50:12. > :50:14.nothing on the book shelves. The worrying thing was we went on the

:50:15. > :50:21.Internet and the Internet information is confusing. Sometimes

:50:22. > :50:25.dangerous. That was the spark where I thought we need something out

:50:26. > :50:29.there, there has to be something, resource where women can go to get

:50:30. > :50:35.solid advice. And critically break some of those myths which surround

:50:36. > :50:38.exercise and pregnancy. And to say that as long as you are feeling

:50:39. > :50:43.healthy, you feel you can do it, it is something that is OK to do, is

:50:44. > :50:47.that the essence? Physical activity is crucial for life and it is

:50:48. > :50:51.important during pregnancy. It is about your journey, where you are,

:50:52. > :50:55.what you can do, how you can cope with it. We should be encouraging

:50:56. > :51:02.activity during pregnancy for the health of the mother and baby. Your

:51:03. > :51:07.situation was that you were very happy to exercise during your first

:51:08. > :51:13.pregnancy, but less so with Martha. Explain the pressures you found. In

:51:14. > :51:17.my first pregnancy with my son Toby, who has just turned two, I was fit

:51:18. > :51:26.and healthy, eight well, I ran through the pregnancy. Everything

:51:27. > :51:36.was textbook. With Martha, from the beginning it was hard, so I had

:51:37. > :51:45.worse sickness. -- ate well. I had migraines. I had pains. I was in a

:51:46. > :51:50.lot of pain with my hips, pelvis and lower back. The instinct is to try

:51:51. > :51:54.and rest as much as you can. I went to my midwife and then to physio.

:51:55. > :52:00.Their advice was pretty similar, it was a case of where a support band

:52:01. > :52:04.and don't overdo it. I had horror stories of people having to be

:52:05. > :52:10.induced preterm because they couldn't physically cope with Labour

:52:11. > :52:16.and things like that. I thought, I better not risk that. -- with

:52:17. > :52:22.labour. I did what I could with a toddler. And in the end, this lady

:52:23. > :52:27.decided to be 12 days late. It has been much harder to get back into

:52:28. > :52:33.exercise after having her, as well. You are nodding. Torque us through

:52:34. > :52:41.your experience. Is there much advice out there? -- talk. I have a

:52:42. > :52:45.four-year-old and an eight-year-old. When you watch the film is about

:52:46. > :52:50.pregnancy, have people are pregnant, they bloom, it's lovely, I found

:52:51. > :52:57.pregnancy while both times. To be honest. Refreshing to hear somebody

:52:58. > :53:02.be honest. I felt unbalanced, sick, unwieldy, I was really tired. I was

:53:03. > :53:09.active, I walked to work, I worked quite late into my pregnancy, but I

:53:10. > :53:12.felt like as long as I'm doing my best, being active, then there

:53:13. > :53:16.should not be too much pressure on me to be down the gym. So I took it

:53:17. > :53:23.very easy because you are making a human, really. You went with what

:53:24. > :53:28.your body and your emotions told you? Did you feel under pressure to

:53:29. > :53:35.look after yourself as an outsider might say to you, you want to be

:53:36. > :53:40.exercising, because you will have put on so much weight. You get all

:53:41. > :53:48.of those comments. You are ready to pop! I've got four months to go!

:53:49. > :53:51.There is that pressure. I write a blog about parenting. There are lots

:53:52. > :53:56.of women at that stage of the journey. It can be a shock. You

:53:57. > :54:01.think it'll be easy, you will be one of those Instagram mothers with a

:54:02. > :54:05.gorgeous bump and lifting weights. Which is amazing. But it isn't about

:54:06. > :54:09.that, it is about listening to your body as being active in the way you

:54:10. > :54:13.can. If you are expecting as a newly pregnant woman to be running every

:54:14. > :54:18.day, it might not be the case. Each to their own. You mentioned lifting

:54:19. > :54:29.weights, so I will bring in Beki. You are a personal trainer anyway.

:54:30. > :54:36.Did you give birth eight days ago? Yes. Congratulations. Thank you. You

:54:37. > :54:44.are good enough to talk to us. I feel great. You are obviously

:54:45. > :54:50.superfit, explain your approach. I had a great pregnancy from start to

:54:51. > :54:58.finish. Those pictures of me were actually nine hours before my waters

:54:59. > :55:04.broke. My word. I was still lifting weights. I didn't have any kind of

:55:05. > :55:08.issues personally throughout my pregnancy. In my opinion, the

:55:09. > :55:14.training helped. I just modified what I did. I took the rest, I

:55:15. > :55:18.increased my range of movement, I lifted lighter weights, but for me

:55:19. > :55:24.training throughout pregnancy helped me physically and mentally. Did any

:55:25. > :55:28.medical professionals at any point, I'm looking at this picture now of

:55:29. > :55:34.you with a massive weight above your head, did anyone say, you perhaps

:55:35. > :55:37.want to go a bit easier? Was there at advice? Did you override it

:55:38. > :55:41.because you said you were a fitness instructor and you knew what you are

:55:42. > :55:45.doing. What was the involvement from professionals? There is a lot of

:55:46. > :55:48.conflicting advice. You can read one article which tells you don't do

:55:49. > :55:54.this, and another one which promotes it. But for me, personally, I feel,

:55:55. > :55:59.listening to your own body is the best thing you can do. For example,

:56:00. > :56:06.that weight that I was lifting, that is a light weight for me. So, that

:56:07. > :56:12.might be a lightweight for me, but a happy one for someone else. You have

:56:13. > :56:16.to judge your own body. Medical advice, I spoke with my midwife, I

:56:17. > :56:20.told her all the way through I was training. She knew I did that. But

:56:21. > :56:25.she also knew I was in touch with my body. It is just what I felt I

:56:26. > :56:30.wanted to do and it worked for me personally. Greg, you are nodding

:56:31. > :56:38.throughout all of that. It echoes what Emily is saying. She said I did

:56:39. > :56:45.what I thought felt right for me. That await looks terrifying for us.

:56:46. > :56:49.But if it is light for Beki that's OK. Number one, keep contact with

:56:50. > :56:54.your health team. Make sure they know what you are doing. Always get

:56:55. > :56:58.professional advice. The key is what you've done before. Interesting, I

:56:59. > :57:02.can talk about the stigma of being pressured to exercise, I think

:57:03. > :57:05.actually the stigma is people who are exercising. If you see a

:57:06. > :57:09.pregnant woman running, they will get far more comments than a

:57:10. > :57:13.pregnant woman who isn't. You need to make sure you do everything

:57:14. > :57:20.safely, listen to your body, work closely with your health care team.

:57:21. > :57:25.Four months, lovely Martha, do you feel ready to start exercising

:57:26. > :57:29.again? Can you even start thinking about that? Time is probably my

:57:30. > :57:34.biggest thing at the moment. Two small children. But I definitely do

:57:35. > :57:39.feel ready to get back into it. I did get back into it quite quickly

:57:40. > :57:43.after Toby's pregnancy, but this time around I felt emotionally I

:57:44. > :57:47.struggled more. And I think the lack of exercise has played a part in

:57:48. > :57:52.that. I am definitely raring to get going again. It's lovely to see you.

:57:53. > :57:58.Thank you for bringing Martha in. She's been a treasure. Beki,

:57:59. > :58:05.congratulations on your new arrival. Have you been exercising in the last

:58:06. > :58:09.eight days? I'm not, I'm going to take six weeks off. However, active

:58:10. > :58:15.walking, I did a five kilometre yesterday with the pram. But for me

:58:16. > :58:20.that's a nice rest, that's a recovery. A perfect way to end.

:58:21. > :58:26.Thanks very much all of you. Thank you for watching. BBC newsroom live

:58:27. > :58:28.is coming up. Have a lovely day, goodbye.