01/09/2016

:00:00. > :00:08.Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:09. > :00:14."The most devastating strike in NHS history".

:00:15. > :00:18.That's the verdict of Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt

:00:19. > :00:21.as junior doctors plan a series of five-day walkouts.

:00:22. > :00:24.We'll be assessing the impact on patients and finding out how

:00:25. > :00:34.Around 100,000 operations may be cancelled, maybe a million hospital

:00:35. > :00:36.appointments could end up being postponed and that is going

:00:37. > :00:38.to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

:00:39. > :00:43.Donald Trump tells supporters he'll deport millions of illegal

:00:44. > :00:47.immigrants if he's elected to the White House.

:00:48. > :00:49.And he's as determined as ever to put up a barrier

:00:50. > :01:07.On day one we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical,

:01:08. > :01:08.tall, powerful, beautiful southern border wall.

:01:09. > :01:10.And we'll meet the London 2012 volunteer who's bought kit

:01:11. > :01:13.for hundreds of paralympians from developing countries

:01:14. > :01:15.after realising some were competing in running shoes that

:01:16. > :01:34.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:35. > :01:37.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking

:01:38. > :01:50.Are you due to have an operation in two weeks' time during the doctors

:01:51. > :01:55.strike? We would like to hear from you especially.

:01:56. > :01:58.Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:01:59. > :02:05.Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

:02:06. > :02:08.of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

:02:09. > :02:10.The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin on September

:02:11. > :02:14.Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

:02:15. > :02:17.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

:02:18. > :02:22.This time, hospital managements have had a lot less notice they did

:02:23. > :02:25.when junior doctors in England last staged walk-outs in April.

:02:26. > :02:27.They will have to postpone thousands of routine operations and planned

:02:28. > :02:30.rotas to allow consultants to cover their striking junior

:02:31. > :02:36.The latest round of walk-outs will take place on five consecutive

:02:37. > :02:39.days, rather than two, which will make it the longest such

:02:40. > :02:47.A five-day strike will be really tough for us.

:02:48. > :02:53.I think it will be particularly tough for our patients

:02:54. > :02:58.because we would estimate at least 13,000 people across the country

:02:59. > :03:01.will have their procedures cancelled or rearranged.

:03:02. > :03:04.Strike action affecting routine care began in January this year

:03:05. > :03:08.but in April the 1st all-out strike by a group of doctors

:03:09. > :03:15.Then talks resumed and a deal was done between the BMA

:03:16. > :03:17.and the government, but in July, BMA members rejected

:03:18. > :03:20.No doctors want to take industrial action, but the silence

:03:21. > :03:22.from the government, the lack of a response

:03:23. > :03:25.and the rejection of the contract by junior doctors has meant that,

:03:26. > :03:28.really, we were left with no other choice today than to take

:03:29. > :03:36.So many lives are going to be disrupted.

:03:37. > :03:38.Around 100,000 operations might be cancelled, maybe a million

:03:39. > :03:40.hospital appointments could end up being postponed

:03:41. > :03:43.and that is going to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

:03:44. > :03:47.People will ask themselves, why the BMA, who said

:03:48. > :03:52.this was a good deal, good for doctors, good for patients,

:03:53. > :03:55.good for the NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal

:03:56. > :03:58.that they want to impose the worst strike in NHS history.

:03:59. > :04:00.With winter approaching, NHS finances under pressure

:04:01. > :04:05.and patient care targets being missed, there is growing

:04:06. > :04:08.frustration across the service at the long-running dispute over

:04:09. > :04:16.a week and pay and working conditions is not resolved and more

:04:17. > :04:28.What chance of the dispute being sorted? There was agreement before

:04:29. > :04:31.and now it has fallen apart. They look as far apart as they have ever

:04:32. > :04:38.been and there is no prospect of any further talks. Jeremy Hunt said if

:04:39. > :04:42.the BMA agreed something back in May and the members have thrown it out,

:04:43. > :04:48.what chance of coming to any meaningful agreement with the BMA?

:04:49. > :04:52.The BMA's view is that that is what the members wanted, they rejected

:04:53. > :04:55.the contract and talks have got to get going and the government have

:04:56. > :05:00.got to drop the idea of imposing the contract in October. What we don't

:05:01. > :05:04.know is what the Prime Minister Theresa May is thinking. She might

:05:05. > :05:08.be saying something about that later is, and it looks as if she will have

:05:09. > :05:12.two express a view as to whether there is any prospect of further

:05:13. > :05:19.talks or she takes the view that the government has done all it can and

:05:20. > :05:23.this dispute just continues. Junior doctors, do they still have public

:05:24. > :05:28.support? The polls in this bring suggested that broadly they did,

:05:29. > :05:31.they had just over half the public saying that they did not object to

:05:32. > :05:38.the junior doctors actions, but that might change, moving to five days

:05:39. > :05:44.rather than two, in terms of all-out strikes in England, and that might

:05:45. > :05:47.put extra stress on hospitals. That might result in appointment is being

:05:48. > :05:51.cancelled, but we don't know and we don't know how many junior doctors

:05:52. > :05:58.Friel, given that 42% voted in favour of the contract, -- feel,

:05:59. > :06:05.given that 42% voted in favour of the contract, they don't maybe want

:06:06. > :06:09.to carry on with the action. Others feel it is wrong to talk about a

:06:10. > :06:16.seven NHS without talking about how it is being funded, and there is

:06:17. > :06:19.talk that that is not with irrelevant to the Eichmann, the

:06:20. > :06:27.seven days. What is the sticking point? -- irrelevant to the

:06:28. > :06:30.argument. It is about working at weekends, the BMA also says there

:06:31. > :06:35.are issues about how you look after the interests of women in part-time

:06:36. > :06:39.work, coming back into the workforce, and they feel they have

:06:40. > :06:42.not had enough reassurances over the seven-day NHS, but the government

:06:43. > :06:48.says it has made concessions already and they say it was agreed before,

:06:49. > :06:53.until it has now been thrown out by the members. Thanks for joining us.

:06:54. > :06:56.We will talk about that further later.

:06:57. > :06:58.And now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

:06:59. > :07:00.US Presidential candidate Donald Trump has insisted that

:07:01. > :07:03.Mexico will pay to build a border wall between the two

:07:04. > :07:07.countries during a major speech on immigration.

:07:08. > :07:13.There were expectations that Mr Trump would use the event

:07:14. > :07:14.to soften his stance on immigration policy.

:07:15. > :07:16.Instead, the Republican hopeful gave an impassioned address

:07:17. > :07:20.underscoring his position, as Laura Bicker reports.

:07:21. > :07:27.There is to be no pivot, no softening of his stance.

:07:28. > :07:29.Donald Trump is holding his course on immigration, starting

:07:30. > :07:33.with the policy that has become so popular with his voting base.

:07:34. > :07:41.We will build a great wall along the southern border.

:07:42. > :07:42.And Mexico will pay for the wall.

:07:43. > :07:49.As for the millions in the country illegally, Mr Trump says it is time

:07:50. > :07:52.for them to leave, only then can they apply to comeback.

:07:53. > :07:53.Illegal immigrants who have committed crimes

:07:54. > :08:02.I am going to create a new special deportation task force focused

:08:03. > :08:07.on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal

:08:08. > :08:10.immigrants in America who have evaded justice,

:08:11. > :08:13.just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice.

:08:14. > :08:22.This was a very different tone to the one he had taken earlier

:08:23. > :08:27.with the Mexican president on a surprise visit.

:08:28. > :08:30.We didn't discuss payment of the wall.

:08:31. > :08:36.However, this was disputed by President Pena Nieto,

:08:37. > :08:39.who said on Twitter, "at the beginning of the conversation

:08:40. > :08:42.with Donald Trump, I made it clear Mexico would not pay for the wall".

:08:43. > :08:45.Just one more controversy in a campaign which has

:08:46. > :08:54.And Joanna will be getting reaction from Mexico to Trump's comments -

:08:55. > :09:03.A 23-year-old man remains in police custody over the deaths of a woman

:09:04. > :09:06.and young boy who were killed when a car that was being chased

:09:07. > :09:09.Three girls were also injured in the crash

:09:10. > :09:11.in Penge in south east London yesterday afternoon.

:09:12. > :09:14.The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

:09:15. > :09:23.Frankie McCamley is at the scene this morning.

:09:24. > :09:34.What is the latest? To take you back to yesterday, and you can see more

:09:35. > :09:40.flowers are being laid behind me. What happened yesterday, there was a

:09:41. > :09:45.police chasing a suspected stolen vehicle, being driven yesterday

:09:46. > :09:50.afternoon, and as the chase took place through this residential area,

:09:51. > :09:54.it mounted the pavement and came here where you can see flowers have

:09:55. > :10:01.been laid and hit a woman and three young children. Sadly the woman died

:10:02. > :10:06.and a young boy died at the scene. Three young girls were trapped by

:10:07. > :10:11.the car and onlookers tried to save them and tried to lift the car and

:10:12. > :10:15.help bring these girls to safety. They were taken dollars bottle and

:10:16. > :10:21.that is where they remain. -- they were taken to hospital. Police say a

:10:22. > :10:25.23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous

:10:26. > :10:28.driving and because the police were involved, this was a police car

:10:29. > :10:33.chase, the Independent Police Complaints Commission will also be

:10:34. > :10:50.investigating this. Thanks for joining us.

:10:51. > :10:53.The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

:10:54. > :10:55.a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

:10:56. > :11:00.Tim Cook said the ruling - which says Apple must pay 13 billion

:11:01. > :11:02.euros in back taxes - was driven by politics.

:11:03. > :11:04.He told the Irish broadcaster, RTE, that Apple pays a 'reasonable

:11:05. > :11:11.The EU's commission overreach in this regard is unbelievable to us,

:11:12. > :11:16.we've never heard anything like it. It is like playing a sports game,

:11:17. > :11:20.winning a championship and later finding out that the goals count

:11:21. > :11:27.differently than you thought they did.

:11:28. > :11:29.People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

:11:30. > :11:32.to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

:11:33. > :11:37.The penalty is a fine of up to ?1000.

:11:38. > :11:44.Here's our Media and Arts Correspondent David Sillito.

:11:45. > :11:49.It is estimated that more than half a million people watch the BBC

:11:50. > :11:51.only on the Iplayer and until today they didn't have

:11:52. > :11:57.We needed it for watching or downloading any BBC programmes

:11:58. > :12:08.What about on a phone or something?

:12:09. > :12:14.From today, and anybody who watches or download any BBC TV

:12:15. > :12:18.content will have to pay the ?145.50 licence fee.

:12:19. > :12:20.The reason for the change is because the BBC says

:12:21. > :12:23.it was facing a ?150 million shortfall in its income

:12:24. > :12:28.because of the number of households that no longer have a television

:12:29. > :12:32.and are watching the BBC only on the Iplayer catch-up service.

:12:33. > :12:35.It is less than 2% of households but the government agreed to close

:12:36. > :12:38.what was described as a loophole in the law.

:12:39. > :12:49.There won't be any change for those who already pay the licence fee,

:12:50. > :12:52.but anyone who watches or downloads on BBC TV content onto a smartphone,

:12:53. > :12:54.tablet or connected television will now have to pay.

:12:55. > :12:57.The BBC won't say how it will enforce the new law,

:12:58. > :13:03.but has said it won't be monitoring private Wi-Fi networks.

:13:04. > :13:06.There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

:13:07. > :13:09.of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

:13:10. > :13:11.A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

:13:12. > :13:13.the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

:13:14. > :13:19.The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

:13:20. > :13:22.The NHS says there's shortage of organs that could save the lives

:13:23. > :13:29.Research has found that fewer than a third of Black

:13:30. > :13:32.and Asian families allow the organs of a relative to be used

:13:33. > :13:36.after they die, compared to two thirds of white families.

:13:37. > :13:38.More than 1,300 people died waiting for a transplant

:13:39. > :13:41.The NHS is calling for ethnic minority groups need

:13:42. > :13:47.People from black and Asian communities have

:13:48. > :13:51.Firstly, they are more likely to need a kidney transplant

:13:52. > :13:57.That is because they have a predisposition to certain diseases

:13:58. > :14:06.Also, they have many thousands of years of culture about death

:14:07. > :14:13.So, unless people from black and Asian communities

:14:14. > :14:16.are prepared to donate, people from their own community

:14:17. > :14:29.Conservationists say the outlook is bleak for African elephants

:14:30. > :14:31.after the first ever aerial survey showed a dramatic reduction

:14:32. > :14:35.The census discovered nearly a third of the continent's elephants -

:14:36. > :14:37.some 144,000 animals - have been killed, mostly

:14:38. > :14:39.by poachers, in just a seven year period.

:14:40. > :14:41.Researchers warn that half the elephants left in Africa

:14:42. > :14:49.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 930.

:14:50. > :14:52.In a moment, more on Donald Trumps promise to throw thousands

:14:53. > :15:01.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:15:02. > :15:04.use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:15:05. > :15:07.Let's get some sport with Will Perry now.

:15:08. > :15:09.Will, the transfer window finally closed last night with clubs

:15:10. > :15:24.It was quite uninspiring in terms of the deadline day, but a few deals

:15:25. > :15:34.have raised eyebrows. The figure had gone over ?1 billion and it finished

:15:35. > :15:38.at ?1.165 billion. If you are rich Chelsea supporter, I'm not sure how

:15:39. > :15:44.you feel about this, David Luiz, he has been re-signed from PSG, who

:15:45. > :15:49.they sold for ?50 million a couple of years ago and I'm not sure if he

:15:50. > :15:53.is a better player now than what he was two years ago. He is still a

:15:54. > :16:02.Brazilian international, is he signed as a centre back? It is not

:16:03. > :16:07.clear. Moussa Sissoko, he has gone to Tottenham, it looked like he was

:16:08. > :16:10.going to Everton, and they had a private jet ready for him, but he

:16:11. > :16:16.decided to stay in London and sign for Tottenham. Interesting

:16:17. > :16:20.documentary was made on Moussa Sissoko in the summer and he said

:16:21. > :16:29.that Arsenal were the club in his heart.

:16:30. > :16:36.Leicester paid a record sum for is Lance Amani. Can you imagine this a

:16:37. > :16:43.few years ago? Jack Wilshere playing for Bournemouth. Look at this. A

:16:44. > :16:47.season long loan deal. Absolute dreamland. All the deals are on the

:16:48. > :16:50.BBC sport website. Onto tennis now and a tough night

:16:51. > :16:53.for Johanna Konta at the US Open but she has made it

:16:54. > :17:01.through to the third round? Worrying scenes. She was in her

:17:02. > :17:04.second-round match, and she crouched to the floor. She was

:17:05. > :17:08.hyperventilating. She had blurred vision, increased heart rate as

:17:09. > :17:19.well. Disturbing scenes at one stage. This was against Svetlana

:17:20. > :17:29.Pironkova. She took a break and came back to win 6-2, 5-7, 5-2. There was

:17:30. > :17:32.a spike in my heart rate. I could not control my breathing, so I

:17:33. > :17:42.started hyperventilating and shaking. I went down on the ground

:17:43. > :17:45.because I was quite violently shaking. You'll good to see she is

:17:46. > :17:57.OK. She will play Belinda Bencic next. Kyle Edmund made it through to

:17:58. > :18:05.the next round. He followed up that win against Richard Gasquet. You

:18:06. > :18:10.will play John Isner in the last 32. -- he will play.

:18:11. > :18:12.And finally a good day for Tour de France winner

:18:13. > :18:22.He is aiming to be the first man to win the Tour de France and the

:18:23. > :18:28.welter in the first year. He leads by 54 seconds. Thank you very much,

:18:29. > :18:30.Will. The US Republican presidential

:18:31. > :18:34.candidate Donald Trump has said he will deport millions of illegal

:18:35. > :18:36.immigrants if he is He also told a cheering crowd

:18:37. > :18:46.in Arizona that he would build a two thousand mile wall to stop

:18:47. > :18:47.illegal immigration. His speech came just hours

:18:48. > :18:50.after talks in Mexico City with the Mexican President Enrique Pena

:18:51. > :18:52.Nieto. At a news conference afterwards,

:18:53. > :18:54.his tone was a little gentler than it has been so far

:18:55. > :18:56.during his campaign. It has been a tremendous honour and

:18:57. > :19:01.I call you a friend. They beat us at the border,

:19:02. > :19:09.people are flowing through. Drugs are coming across,

:19:10. > :19:14.pouring across. No one wins in either country

:19:15. > :19:18.when human smugglers and drug traffickers prey on innocent people,

:19:19. > :19:25.when cartels commit acts of violence, when illegal

:19:26. > :19:27.weapons and cash flow We have a tremendous deficit,

:19:28. > :19:34.we have a trade deficit with Mexico. When jobs leave Mexico,

:19:35. > :19:39.the US or central America and go overseas, it increases poverty

:19:40. > :19:44.and pressure on social services as well as pressures

:19:45. > :19:52.on cross border migration. We are going to have our borders

:19:53. > :19:54.are nice and strong, We recognise and respect the right

:19:55. > :20:01.of either country to build a physical barrier or a wall

:20:02. > :20:06.on any of its borders. We didn't discuss

:20:07. > :20:41.payment of the wall. In Arizona, he set out his ten point

:20:42. > :20:45.plan to tackle illegal immigration. He mentioned the wall again, but in

:20:46. > :20:47.a different tone, and he talked about who should pay for it.

:20:48. > :20:49.On day one we will begin working on an impenetrable,

:20:50. > :20:59.physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall.

:21:00. > :21:07.We will use the best technology including

:21:08. > :21:08.above and below ground sensors, that's the tunnels.

:21:09. > :21:25.Towers, aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall,

:21:26. > :21:32.find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels

:21:33. > :21:34.and Mexico, you know that, will work with us,

:21:35. > :21:46.He went on to speak about what he thinks is wrong

:21:47. > :21:51.The fundamental problem with the immigration system

:21:52. > :21:58.in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors,

:21:59. > :22:02.political activists and powerful, powerful politicians.

:22:03. > :22:18.Let me tell you who it does not serve.

:22:19. > :22:24.It does not serve you, the American people.

:22:25. > :22:28.When politicians talk about immigration reform,

:22:29. > :22:35.they usually mean the following; amnesty, open borders, lower wages.

:22:36. > :22:41.Immigration reform should mean something else entirely.

:22:42. > :22:44.It should mean improvements to our laws and policies to make

:22:45. > :22:56.In Mexico this morning is Erik Markeset, who was born

:22:57. > :23:00.in Mexico and runs his own business in Mexico City.

:23:01. > :23:03.Republican and Donald Trump supporter Alex Chalgren is in Texas

:23:04. > :23:06.for us, and Brian Bledsoe, who is also a Republican but isn't

:23:07. > :23:08.convinced Donald Trump is the right man for the top job

:23:09. > :23:22.Erik, you live in Mexico City - how are people thee feeling

:23:23. > :23:24.about Donald Trump visiting?- You've helped organise protest

:23:25. > :23:28.rallies in Mexico City - how much interest has there been?

:23:29. > :23:34.For a lot of reasons I am opposed to him. I can't figure out what he

:23:35. > :23:38.stands for, the constant flip-flopping, even on issues like

:23:39. > :23:44.Mexico, are troubling. The fact that he would bash Mexico and Mexicans

:23:45. > :23:49.and then come to Mexico seems inconsistent. If I understood what

:23:50. > :23:57.he represented, maybe I would consider it, but he is a

:23:58. > :24:01.businessman, he knows what still stability -- he knows what stability

:24:02. > :24:07.means to the business community. He struck a different tone in Mexico

:24:08. > :24:10.from the one he used later in Arizona, but obviously it is a

:24:11. > :24:15.different environment, when you're delivering a speech versus talking

:24:16. > :24:21.to somebody about something you want to achieve together. In the US, he

:24:22. > :24:24.is calling Mexicans ravers, then he is talking in Mexico about them

:24:25. > :24:31.being valuable contributors. So what is his perspective on Mexico, on

:24:32. > :24:42.trade? One minute he says he wants to eliminate NAFTA, and the other he

:24:43. > :24:45.wants to eliminate it -- he wants to reform it. I am for fair trade, and

:24:46. > :24:51.I am not sure where Donald Trump stands.

:24:52. > :24:53.Alex, you're a loyal Trump supporter - has your view changed

:24:54. > :25:09.He wants to build the wall, he wants to deport the illegal aliens in this

:25:10. > :25:14.country, and he wants... I don't see how there is a narrative change. If

:25:15. > :25:18.you want to make friends and influence people, is the rhetoric

:25:19. > :25:25.that he uses the right way to go about it? We're hearing that the

:25:26. > :25:27.sense in Mexico is that Mexicans are being bashed by Donald Trump and

:25:28. > :25:31.people who don't even have the chance to vote in the selection

:25:32. > :25:40.coming out against him because of it. I that is the media perpetrating

:25:41. > :25:47.him in this racist, bigoted way. The words are coming out of his mouth.

:25:48. > :25:52.He has corrected much of what he has said. He has said, I have offended

:25:53. > :25:57.people and I am sorry. He has changed his ways, and I think that

:25:58. > :26:00.needs to be brought out more. He had been meeting with the Mexican

:26:01. > :26:04.president and said, we did not discuss who pays for the wall. The

:26:05. > :26:08.Mexican president said, we did discuss it, and I said we will not

:26:09. > :26:12.pay for it. Is that a trustworthy thing to come out and come and say

:26:13. > :26:17.one thing when the reality seems to be different? I obviously don't know

:26:18. > :26:24.what the conversation was, because it was behind closed doors. But I am

:26:25. > :26:28.sure that whatever was discussed, it will be implemented when Mr Trump is

:26:29. > :26:35.president, whether it means Mexico will pay for the wall or it means is

:26:36. > :26:42.that there may be more fees on visas to pay for it. I don't know. Brian,

:26:43. > :26:47.you have had reservations, are you warming to Donald Trump? This speech

:26:48. > :26:55.last night was one of his best speeches. I have heard him speaking

:26:56. > :27:02.numerous times, and this is one of the best speeches. He hit on a lot

:27:03. > :27:16.of the issues that he should stay on, I think, whether it is Kate's

:27:17. > :27:23.law. It was definitely one of his best speeches. The thing about it

:27:24. > :27:30.is, he can say all of this right now, then next day he can do or say

:27:31. > :27:37.something that will contradict everything he said did last night.

:27:38. > :27:41.My reservation, my concern, is the unpredictability as far as going

:27:42. > :27:46.back and forth on different things, and just having to deal with that.

:27:47. > :27:53.Are you saying you don't trust what he is saying? He flip-flops too

:27:54. > :28:02.much, which is what Eric was saying? That is my main issue. What I say a

:28:03. > :28:13.lot is that I pray for the sick of the -- for the sake of the country

:28:14. > :28:16.about how he goes back and forth. On immigration specifically, he is

:28:17. > :28:20.clear that he wants a wall. These clear that if you have arrived in

:28:21. > :28:27.the States illegally, you have no right to be there. Where is the room

:28:28. > :28:34.for confusion? As far as immigration, that is the one issue

:28:35. > :28:40.he has built his whole campaign on. It is something I'm not so much

:28:41. > :28:47.wishy-washy on that. It is other policies that he comes out with and

:28:48. > :28:54.that he will have an flip-flopped on, say one thing and then come back

:28:55. > :29:10.and say another thing. I don't know where he stands if he keeps being

:29:11. > :29:11.consistent. He looks at the figure of 11 million illegal immigrants in

:29:12. > :29:28.the United Do you believe he can make good on

:29:29. > :29:32.the sorts of things he is offering? I believe when Donald Trump says he

:29:33. > :29:38.is going to get something done he will get it done and that is a

:29:39. > :29:40.record he has in business. He a businessman and he makes deals and

:29:41. > :29:44.he knows how to get things especially when it comes to

:29:45. > :29:46.building, when it comes to building the wall across the border and

:29:47. > :29:56.having Mexico pay for it, it will get done. Thanks for joining us.

:29:57. > :30:02.A free helpline for women who have used online abortion pills is to be

:30:03. > :30:04.launched across Ireland to help those who can't afford the trip

:30:05. > :30:12.From today, you cannot catch up with BBC programmes on your iPlayer

:30:13. > :30:14.without first buying a TV licence, but how will they know

:30:15. > :30:29.And now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

:30:30. > :30:32.Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

:30:33. > :30:35.of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

:30:36. > :30:37.The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

:30:38. > :30:44.on September the 12th, affecting all forms of care.

:30:45. > :30:47.Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

:30:48. > :30:51.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

:30:52. > :30:59.So many lives will be disrupted, around 100,000 operations might be

:31:00. > :31:03.cancelled, maybe a million hospital appointments could end up being

:31:04. > :31:07.postponed, and that will cause absolute misery for many families up

:31:08. > :31:12.and down the country. People will ask themselves, why the BMA, who

:31:13. > :31:17.said this was a good deal, good for doctors and for patients and the

:31:18. > :31:21.NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal that they want to impose the

:31:22. > :31:49.worst strike in NHS history. Causing absolute devastation for patients.

:31:50. > :31:51.The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

:31:52. > :31:54.a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

:31:55. > :31:58.The EU's commission overreach in this regard is unbelievable

:31:59. > :32:00.to us, we've never heard anything like it.

:32:01. > :32:03.It is like playing a sports game, winning a championship and later

:32:04. > :32:05.finding out that the goals count differently than you

:32:06. > :32:24.A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

:32:25. > :32:26.were killed when a car that was being chased

:32:27. > :32:29.Three girls were also injured in the crash

:32:30. > :32:31.in Penge in south east London yesterday afternoon.

:32:32. > :32:33.The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

:32:34. > :32:42.People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

:32:43. > :32:45.to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

:32:46. > :32:53.The penalty is a fine of up to ?1000.

:32:54. > :32:59.We will have more on this very shortly.

:33:00. > :33:01.There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

:33:02. > :33:04.of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

:33:05. > :33:07.A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

:33:08. > :33:09.the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

:33:10. > :33:22.The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

:33:23. > :33:28.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:33:29. > :33:38.Will's back again now with the sport headlines.

:33:39. > :33:43.A massive, record braking ?1.165 billion spent

:33:44. > :33:54.One of the biggest deals on deadline day saw David Luiz return to Chelsea

:33:55. > :34:04.Tottenham managed to convince Moussa Sissoko to join them instead

:34:05. > :34:07.of Everton in the 11th hour with the French Internnational

:34:08. > :34:18.The British number one Johanna Konta collapsed on court at the US Open

:34:19. > :34:25.but she recovered to win her second round match. Kyle Edman is also into

:34:26. > :34:29.the third round. And Chris Froome moved up to second place in the

:34:30. > :34:36.overall standings in cycling's Tour of Spain. That is the headlines.

:34:37. > :34:37.Later I will be with Britain's first-ever Olympic medallist in the

:34:38. > :34:41.hammer event. There's concern for the safety

:34:42. > :34:43.of women in Northern Ireland who are choosing to terminate

:34:44. > :34:45.their pregnancies illegally using pills bought online

:34:46. > :34:47.because it is much cheaper than travelling abroad

:34:48. > :34:49.for the procedure. The British Pregnancy Advisory

:34:50. > :34:51.Service is launching a free telephone helpline because they're

:34:52. > :34:53.worried women may not seek medical It is illegal to have an abortion

:34:54. > :34:58.in Northern Ireland in most cases, apart from when the mother's life

:34:59. > :35:01.or long term health is put at risk. This puts its laws at odds

:35:02. > :35:04.with the rest of the UK, where abortions have been legal

:35:05. > :35:06.under certain conditions since 1967. Let's talk now to Goretti Horgana,

:35:07. > :35:08.a pro-choice campaigner. Maggie, who joins us on the phone

:35:09. > :35:12.and has asked to remain anonymous, is a young Northern Irish woman

:35:13. > :35:14.who broke the law by taking medically tested abortion

:35:15. > :35:17.pills she bought online. And Mara Clarke, Director

:35:18. > :35:21.of the Abortion Support Network that helps young Irish women

:35:22. > :35:32.who seek an abortion. Maggie, you are talking to us

:35:33. > :35:42.anonymously. Why have you decided to take on abortion pill? When I was

:35:43. > :35:46.22, four years ago, between my third and fourth year at university I

:35:47. > :35:54.discovered I was pregnant, and all I had to live on was my student loan,

:35:55. > :36:02.it is not back great, the summer pavement. I knew I wanted an

:36:03. > :36:08.abortion -- pavement. The only way I could get the abortion was to order

:36:09. > :36:11.pills from the internet. Giving in a country where abortion is illegal in

:36:12. > :36:20.those circumstances, how much did you think about the decision? I

:36:21. > :36:25.thought about the illegality more after I'd done it. After ordering

:36:26. > :36:29.the pills and going through the medical consultation online and

:36:30. > :36:33.waiting for them to arrive, I only worry was, I don't want to be

:36:34. > :36:43.pregnant any more. I was not worried about prison. It is more something I

:36:44. > :36:49.think about now. Will someone come for me question mark will I wake up

:36:50. > :36:56.with the police at my door? -- come for me? At the time I did not want

:36:57. > :37:02.to be pregnant and that was the only thing I thought about. How much did

:37:03. > :37:06.you think about the decision to terminate the pregnancy? I'm just

:37:07. > :37:11.wondering about the background in Northern Ireland, terminating a

:37:12. > :37:16.pregnancy is not something you were able to do openly, how much did that

:37:17. > :37:23.affect your decision-making? In a lot of ways I was lucky because I

:37:24. > :37:29.did tell everyone around me, my friends and family knew. It was not

:37:30. > :37:35.a big secret. When you do tell people they say they know someone

:37:36. > :37:39.who also had an abortion, and so on the surface it seems like a giant

:37:40. > :37:44.secret, but when you scratch it slightly everyone knows someone who

:37:45. > :37:48.has had an abortion. There are concerns about people buying the

:37:49. > :37:51.pills online, it is illegal to buy them online, as we mentioned, and

:37:52. > :37:57.also concerns about what you might be getting. Did you have any issues?

:37:58. > :38:06.After you had taken the pill. Not at all. Currently there are two

:38:07. > :38:10.organisations which provide pills, which are reputable, because I was

:38:11. > :38:13.in consultation with a doctor, they go through your medical history and

:38:14. > :38:18.they asked medical questions before you get them, and when they arrived

:38:19. > :38:24.they came with a subscription signed by a doctor which detailed exactly

:38:25. > :38:32.what they were. And the steps that you had to go through. I went

:38:33. > :38:37.through those exactly. I was quite sure that the pills I ordered were

:38:38. > :38:42.the pills I needed. You mentioned that you spoke to those around you

:38:43. > :38:50.about what you were doing. Did you feel supported? Or did you feel

:38:51. > :38:55.there was more support that you might have wanted? Today there is a

:38:56. > :39:02.helpline which has been set up for people in your position to contact.

:39:03. > :39:07.People were supportive in the way they accepted I'd made a choice but

:39:08. > :39:13.at the same time they did not know what I was going through. Most

:39:14. > :39:18.people at that stage were still travelling to have abortions,

:39:19. > :39:25.talking about taking an abortion pill was not very common. There were

:39:26. > :39:30.medical things I worried about, you bleed a lot when you take these

:39:31. > :39:41.pills and I was thinking, is that too much blood? At what stage do I

:39:42. > :39:45.go to the hospital? I'm glad the helpline is open, because to be able

:39:46. > :39:51.to phone someone and ask that question, that would have made it

:39:52. > :39:58.much easier. I know you by abortion pills for women in the same position

:39:59. > :40:04.as Maggie. Maggie said when she took it it was not very common, but how

:40:05. > :40:12.common is it now? It has become much more common over the last 4-5 years.

:40:13. > :40:18.Probably the situation now, nearly as many women who are choosing to

:40:19. > :40:25.buy the pills online as there are travelling to England for abortions.

:40:26. > :40:31.Is it the easy option now? I think it is an accessible option, everyone

:40:32. > :40:42.would prefer to have a legal abortion, but the reality is, it can

:40:43. > :40:46.cost something between 500 and ?600 to get access to illegal abortion in

:40:47. > :40:51.England, which will be the same abortion they would get by getting

:40:52. > :40:59.the pills online. And that costs may be ?70. A very big difference.

:41:00. > :41:06.There's also something which is not spoken about, additional life costs

:41:07. > :41:10.of travelling to another part of the UK, because in Northern Ireland we

:41:11. > :41:15.are part of the UK, whether we like it or not, and travelling to the UK,

:41:16. > :41:18.to another part, to obtain a medical procedure which is available

:41:19. > :41:23.everywhere else, but that means leaving your home. I live in the

:41:24. > :41:29.North West and I would have to travel 90 minutes to the airport in

:41:30. > :41:32.Belfast and get a plane from there, and it means leaving your children

:41:33. > :41:38.and maybe other caring responsibilities and your work and

:41:39. > :41:43.taking time. The law in Northern Ireland is clear regarding

:41:44. > :41:52.abortions, does the availability of these pills online and the easy

:41:53. > :41:54.access to them and the fact there is now a helpline, does that

:41:55. > :42:00.effectively demolish the laws by the back door? Yes, it does, the law has

:42:01. > :42:04.been shown, because of the technology which is available now,

:42:05. > :42:10.the technology of the pills and also the internet allowing access to

:42:11. > :42:15.those pills, it means in effect the law is being broken on a daily basis

:42:16. > :42:18.which means it should be reformed, any law that is being broken on a

:42:19. > :42:27.daily basis, clearly it is not working. There was a proposal to

:42:28. > :42:32.legalise abortion in cases of fatal fatal abnormality in the Northern

:42:33. > :42:38.Ireland assembly -- feet tall. That was defeated. This is a law which

:42:39. > :42:43.has been looked at recently. Yes, but you have got to remember, our

:42:44. > :42:48.politicians in Northern Ireland are not really elected on social issues

:42:49. > :42:53.overwhelmingly. But they do represent the will of the people?

:42:54. > :43:02.They represent the will of the people in terms of sectarian issues,

:43:03. > :43:08.but whether they are representing us in terms of abortion... This is not

:43:09. > :43:14.on the platform when they are standing? Not at all. Abortion was

:43:15. > :43:19.an issue in the recent assembly elections but it was an issue where

:43:20. > :43:26.people were saying that they wanted change, not an issue... It was not

:43:27. > :43:33.an anti-abortion push, it was very much a pro-choice push, but the

:43:34. > :43:36.politicians pretty much ignored it. You are from the abortion support

:43:37. > :43:41.network, what is your perspective? The helpline is a great thing, we

:43:42. > :43:46.know hundreds of women every year are accessing these pills online

:43:47. > :43:51.which is great and we provide financial support to the people who

:43:52. > :43:56.want to travel over. It can cost between ?400 and ?2000 to travel

:43:57. > :44:00.over depending on the state of pregnancy. A couple of things we

:44:01. > :44:04.want to make clear, these pills are very safe, the World Health

:44:05. > :44:08.Organisation has these pills on the essential medicines list, even

:44:09. > :44:12.outside of a clinical setting, and it is not just young women taking

:44:13. > :44:19.these pills, we have had calls from people ranging from 13 up to 52,

:44:20. > :44:23.everyone gets pregnant and these pills are an option for anyone who

:44:24. > :44:30.gets pregnant. Anybody who is getting them, they are breaking the

:44:31. > :44:34.law? Absolutely. There was a case where a woman from Belfast was given

:44:35. > :44:38.a suspended sentence for doing it. There's a lot to take into

:44:39. > :44:44.consideration. Making it against the law does not stop it, it is not

:44:45. > :44:51.against the law to travel, but women with this cost to travel over can

:44:52. > :44:57.travel over, but women who do not have that money, though the stories

:44:58. > :45:03.we have heard -- the stories we have heard through our helpline, before

:45:04. > :45:08.they found out about these pills, it was about drinking bleach, scoring

:45:09. > :45:11.heroine, because they thought it might trigger a miscarriage, so

:45:12. > :45:16.let's not pretend that making abortion illegal makes this utopia

:45:17. > :45:21.where a abortion doesn't happen. The fact women have the option of

:45:22. > :45:30.getting pills that the world health organisation says are safe, it says,

:45:31. > :45:37.if you take these pills, if you are scared, yes, you bleed a lot, but

:45:38. > :45:40.how much is too much? Now you can call this helpline and find out the

:45:41. > :45:48.answer to this question, but we still feel the law needs to change.

:45:49. > :45:52.Some women do not know they are pregnant until ten weeks after

:45:53. > :45:56.pregnancy. We had a woman who found out she was pregnant after 24 weeks,

:45:57. > :46:02.and she had literally minutes to make arrangements to come over here

:46:03. > :46:07.to get a procedure which cost ?1350, plus flights.

:46:08. > :46:13.Maggie, a quick thought from new - if the pill had not been available,

:46:14. > :46:22.what would you have done? If it had not been a vulnerable -- had not

:46:23. > :46:27.been available, I would be dead. I would not have known what to do.

:46:28. > :46:34.Tank of joining us. That is Maggie, who has been talking us anonymously.

:46:35. > :46:36.We invited someone from Northern Ireland's Department of Health and a

:46:37. > :46:38.partner justice onto the programme to talk about the country's laws,

:46:39. > :46:41.but neither accepted. The Department of Health did send us

:46:42. > :46:43.this statement: The Department of Health is aware of this

:46:44. > :46:46.and would remind members of the public that taking medicines

:46:47. > :46:48.obtained through unregulated sources can put their health

:46:49. > :46:50.at serious risk. Prescription-only medicines should

:46:51. > :46:52.only be taken when prescribed by an appropriate practitioner

:46:53. > :46:53.and should be obtained from a registered pharmacy

:46:54. > :47:00.or other regulated source. The boss of Apple says

:47:01. > :47:05.the European Commission's ruling that the tech company,

:47:06. > :47:07.should pay ?11 billion of back taxes to Ireland

:47:08. > :47:11.is political and unfair. We look into the row over its Irish

:47:12. > :47:15.tax status. People who don't own a television -

:47:16. > :47:18.but use the BBC iPlayer to catch up on shows -

:47:19. > :47:21.must pay for a TV Until now, only people who watched

:47:22. > :47:24.programmes as they were being broadcast needed

:47:25. > :47:26.to pay the annual fee. Viewers will be asked to confirm

:47:27. > :47:29.that they have a licence - otherwise they risk prosecution

:47:30. > :47:31.and a ?1,000 fine. Our Media and Arts Correspondent

:47:32. > :47:43.David Sillito is with me now. How is it going to be monitored? An

:47:44. > :47:51.interesting question. At the moment, until yesterday, you didn't have two

:47:52. > :47:54.get a license if you were on a catch-up service, or downloading

:47:55. > :48:01.programmes. That was considered to be a loophole, so it has come to an

:48:02. > :48:06.end. If you had been using the iPlayer as a live service, watching

:48:07. > :48:11.this life, for instance, you would have had to pay the licence fee. The

:48:12. > :48:16.question about it at the moment is, how will anyone know whether or not

:48:17. > :48:20.you're watching iPlayer? There have been all sorts of stories over the

:48:21. > :48:25.summer, for instance, talking about detector vans that might be able to

:48:26. > :48:30.sniff your Wi-Fi. There was a statement from the BBC saying, no,

:48:31. > :48:33.they are not going to be part outside of your house monitoring

:48:34. > :48:38.your Wi-Fi, but they do say, and they have issued a statement, they

:48:39. > :48:42.have methods, just as they have methods of working out whether

:48:43. > :48:50.you're watching an ordinary television, that will help work out

:48:51. > :48:59.why your watch -- whether you're watching the iPlayer. Other awful

:49:00. > :49:07.lot of people are watching iPlayer via a sky or BT service, so it is

:49:08. > :49:12.not clear how that would take place, or for legally they are actually

:49:13. > :49:16.allowed to do. TV detector vans - have never seen any evidence of

:49:17. > :49:20.exactly how they operate, and it has not come to court as far as I know.

:49:21. > :49:27.I'm sure someone will say they have found some evidence in court, but I

:49:28. > :49:32.have never heard of it. There are suspicions that there are things out

:49:33. > :49:36.there monitoring, and presumably that has an impact. The most likely

:49:37. > :49:38.method is, if you don't have a license, they know the households

:49:39. > :49:47.that don't have them, they will receive a letter, and I think that

:49:48. > :49:52.is more likely. It has changed today. If you download any BBC TV

:49:53. > :49:59.content or watch it, you will have to pay the licence fee. However, if

:50:00. > :50:04.you are only using the iPlayer radio, and no TV content, you still

:50:05. > :50:10.don't have to pay. If you are downloading third-party material,

:50:11. > :50:17.from other broadcasters, you don't have to pay. You can't say that you

:50:18. > :50:21.are watching television but not the BBC, because if you're watching a TV

:50:22. > :50:26.service on a television, you still have to pay. It is complicated. The

:50:27. > :50:32.essences, if you have a television and you watch any BBC TV content,

:50:33. > :50:34.you have to pay from now. Or if you are watching with a computer rather

:50:35. > :50:37.than a television. Renate Samson is the Chief Executive

:50:38. > :50:39.of the Big Brother Watch, an organisation that

:50:40. > :50:50.campaigns for the protection Thank you for joining us. The BBC

:50:51. > :50:54.says it won't be monitoring Wi-Fi, but what are your concerns? First, I

:50:55. > :51:01.don't have a clue what they are going to be doing to determine who

:51:02. > :51:04.is and is not watching live iPlayer on a device when they shouldn't be,

:51:05. > :51:10.and whether they have a TV licence. If this came into force today --

:51:11. > :51:15.this came into force today and none of us know what is going on of what

:51:16. > :51:21.the BBC are playing at. What could be done? That is the big question. I

:51:22. > :51:31.have no idea. Under existing law, the regulatory investigative Powers

:51:32. > :51:37.act, they can use systems to monitor people who don't pay their licence.

:51:38. > :51:42.There is a new surveillance bill being discussed now and there is no

:51:43. > :51:44.mention of the BBC in there. Law enforcement are having to be

:51:45. > :51:50.incredibly open and transparent about what they are doing. If the

:51:51. > :51:54.BBC intends to use intrusive surveillance powers to monitor our

:51:55. > :52:05.rector video online, they need to be more upfront than they are now. If

:52:06. > :52:08.it boils down to checking out which households do have a license and

:52:09. > :52:13.which don't and writing to the ones who don't ask them to explain

:52:14. > :52:21.themselves, is that OK? Of course. A letter through the door, there is

:52:22. > :52:26.nothing intrusive about that. But how are they going to know that you

:52:27. > :52:33.are the household that is worthy of the letter? 94% of people pay their

:52:34. > :52:38.licence. Will we snoop on 100% of people, 94% of whom are abiding by

:52:39. > :52:43.the law? Add don't think that is particularly proportionate, do you?

:52:44. > :52:45.-- I don't think. Thank you for joining us.

:52:46. > :52:48.The boss of Apple says it's "unfair" that the firm's been ordered

:52:49. > :52:51.to pay $11 billion in back taxes to Ireland.

:52:52. > :52:53.Tim Cook told RTE Radio he's confident the European Commission's

:52:54. > :53:02.Our business correspondent Andy Verity is here with more.

:53:03. > :53:19.What has he said, and the? The ruling says they owe $11 billion.

:53:20. > :53:22.The claim that Apple has had a special tax till, you have to be

:53:23. > :53:31.careful there, because it is not really denying that Apple has paid

:53:32. > :53:35.tiny rates of effective tax, at 0.005% according to the European

:53:36. > :53:41.Commission. He says it is unfair unprecedented and it reverses the

:53:42. > :53:46.tax law that existed in the past. Other people have criticised some of

:53:47. > :53:49.what he is saying, saying if you look at what Apple is talking about,

:53:50. > :53:54.they have set up special arrangements. They have a

:53:55. > :53:57.labyrinthine tax structure, creating all kinds of subsidiaries will stop

:53:58. > :54:03.it had to be explained by flow charts to a Senate committee, so it

:54:04. > :54:06.is not simple. The suggestion from critics is that Apple are being a

:54:07. > :54:15.bit indignant about this. Perhaps they feel entitled. If you faced a

:54:16. > :54:20.bill for 13 billion euros, you might feel indignant. But they say they

:54:21. > :54:28.have set up this structure, according to critics. Let's hear

:54:29. > :54:35.from Apple. It is maddening and disappointing. It is clear that this

:54:36. > :54:42.comes from a political place. It has no basis in fact or in law.

:54:43. > :54:53.Unfortunately, it is one of those things we have to work through. I'm

:54:54. > :54:58.sure your listeners can relate to this - when you're accused of doing

:54:59. > :55:10.something that is so foreign to your values, it brings out an outrage in

:55:11. > :55:15.new, and that is how we feel. Apple has always been about doing the

:55:16. > :55:22.right thing, never the easy thing. You know, we had a very difficult

:55:23. > :55:28.thing in the beginning of this year with fighting the US Government over

:55:29. > :55:35.the privacy and security of our customers. That wasn't easy to do,

:55:36. > :55:39.but it was the right thing to do. To your mind, has apple done anything

:55:40. > :55:45.wrong here? Does Apple have anything to apologise for? No. We haven't

:55:46. > :55:50.done anything wrong, and the Irish Government hasn't done anything

:55:51. > :55:55.wrong. That is his view, of course, but the EU commission would say

:55:56. > :55:58.there is a basis on law - it is the law on illegal state aid, and

:55:59. > :56:05.according to the commission, Apple has broken out. Quickly,

:56:06. > :56:09.manufacturing figures this morning. Yes, the absence of gloomy

:56:10. > :56:14.post-Brexit data, we have had some, but manufacturing in July was

:56:15. > :56:17.sharply down, one of the biggest dips in manufacturing output that we

:56:18. > :56:24.have seen in awhile, as measured by this index. It has bounced back, the

:56:25. > :56:28.biggest bounce in 25 years August. That suggests there is a stimulating

:56:29. > :56:33.effect on the weak pound. Because the pound is weak, people from other

:56:34. > :56:36.countries who want to buy goods in pounds are finding that it is more

:56:37. > :56:45.competitive than that maybe helping. Thank you, Andy.

:56:46. > :56:53.Hospitals in England are drawing up contingency plans for a further

:56:54. > :57:04.junior doctors' strike. Give us your views on that. Let's catch up on the

:57:05. > :57:07.latest weather. I want to take you further afield, where we have

:57:08. > :57:21.violent weather on the menu over the next few days. We are keeping an eye

:57:22. > :57:27.on this tropical storm. Colossal amounts of rain, damaging winds

:57:28. > :57:34.pushing up through is this -- pushing up through Florida. Over the

:57:35. > :57:38.next several days, major impact on the eastern seaboard. The 1st of

:57:39. > :57:45.September, mists and mellow fruitfulness. A lovely shot taken by

:57:46. > :57:51.one of our weather watchers in Somerset. Some cloud and patchy rain

:57:52. > :57:56.pushing across Northern Ireland, spreading its way east into Scotland

:57:57. > :58:01.as we go through the afternoon. A bit of a North- South split. Lots of

:58:02. > :58:07.England and Wales will have a delightful day. Here is 4pm. The

:58:08. > :58:12.temperatures are doing very well, into the low- mid 20s. It should

:58:13. > :58:17.stay fine for the cricket at Headingley. Some rain in Northern

:58:18. > :58:21.Ireland and Scotland. It will come and go, not a complete wash-out. The

:58:22. > :58:29.most persistent rain will be the further west you go in Scotland.

:58:30. > :58:34.That rain will move towards the south-east. A role reversal

:58:35. > :58:38.tomorrow. Those who have sunshine today will have cloudy skies

:58:39. > :58:41.tomorrow. Scotland and Northern Ireland, the more north-western

:58:42. > :58:46.parts of England and Wales, much brighter, with sunshine and a few

:58:47. > :58:51.showers. For the weekend, it will be mixed. Some wet weather, for sure,

:58:52. > :58:56.for just about all of us, but some sunshine as well. A complicated what

:58:57. > :59:04.the picture -- a complicated weather picture. There will be a lot of

:59:05. > :59:07.cloud and rain. It will be pretty wet on Saturday, France pushing in

:59:08. > :59:12.from the West after a dry start. Central and southern areas could see

:59:13. > :59:16.the wettest weather. Dry weather for the North. It looks as though the

:59:17. > :59:20.wettest weather will slide to the east overnight on Saturday. I am

:59:21. > :59:26.hopeful that on Sunday we could see some reasonable sunshine.

:59:27. > :59:36.Temperatures are roughly where they should be - high teens low 20s. We

:59:37. > :59:40.will keep an eye on that stop. Hello it's Thursday,

:59:41. > :59:42.it's 10 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme

:59:43. > :59:44.if you've just joined us. Strikes and more strikes -

:59:45. > :59:48.how will junior doctors' plans for a wave of five-day

:59:49. > :59:50.walkouts affect patients - Around 100,000 operations may be

:59:51. > :59:57.cancelled, maybe a million hospital appointments could end up

:59:58. > :00:00.being postponed and that is going to cause absolute misery

:00:01. > :00:03.for many, many families up We're devastated that the government

:00:04. > :00:21.hasn't listened to junior doctors, to concerns we still have,

:00:22. > :00:23.to our rejection of the contract and we've been left

:00:24. > :00:25.with no other choice. Should all victims of crime get

:00:26. > :00:28.the chance to meet the person We hear from a woman whose son James

:00:29. > :00:32.was killed 5 years ago - They will be with us together in the

:00:33. > :00:39.studio. And fury and despair over the plight

:00:40. > :00:42.of African elephants - as it's revealed poachers have

:00:43. > :00:45.killed nearly 150,000 in seven years - we find out how a team in Botswana

:00:46. > :00:56.is trying to protect them. That most amazing noise is the sound

:00:57. > :01:02.of a snoring elephant. They had to keep his trunk open throughout so he

:01:03. > :01:10.could breathe while under the influence of the drugs.

:01:11. > :01:14.Over to the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:15. > :01:17.Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

:01:18. > :01:21.of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

:01:22. > :01:24.The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

:01:25. > :01:27.on September 12th, affecting all forms of care.

:01:28. > :01:30.Similar walkouts are planned each month for the rest of the year.

:01:31. > :01:35.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has said he still wants to talk.

:01:36. > :01:47.This time, hospital managements have had a lot less notice than they did

:01:48. > :01:52.when junior doctors in England last stage walk-outs in April.

:01:53. > :01:55.They will have to postpone thousands of routine operations and plan

:01:56. > :01:57.rotas to allow consultants to cover their striking junior

:01:58. > :02:01.The latest round of walk-outs will take place on five consecutive

:02:02. > :02:04.days, rather than two, which will make it the longest such

:02:05. > :02:07.A five-day strike will be really tough for us.

:02:08. > :02:10.I think it will be particularly tough for our patients

:02:11. > :02:13.because we would estimate at least 13,000 people across the country

:02:14. > :02:16.will have their procedures cancelled or rearranged.

:02:17. > :02:21.Strike action affecting routine care began in January this year

:02:22. > :02:24.but in April the first all-out strike by a group of doctors

:02:25. > :02:29.Then talks resumed and a deal was done between the BMA

:02:30. > :02:31.and the government, but in July, BMA members rejected

:02:32. > :02:39.No doctors want to take industrial action, but the silence

:02:40. > :02:42.from the government, the lack of a response

:02:43. > :02:45.and the rejection of the contract by junior doctors has meant that,

:02:46. > :02:47.really, we were left with no other choice today than to take

:02:48. > :02:56.So many lives are going to be disrupted.

:02:57. > :02:58.Around 100,000 operations might be cancelled, maybe a million

:02:59. > :03:00.hospital appointments could end up being postponed

:03:01. > :03:03.and that is going to cause absolute misery for many, many families up

:03:04. > :03:09.People will ask themselves why the BMA, who said

:03:10. > :03:12.this was a good deal, good for doctors, good for patients,

:03:13. > :03:16.good for the NHS, are now saying it is such a bad deal

:03:17. > :03:18.that they want to impose the worst strike in NHS history.

:03:19. > :03:21.With winter approaching, NHS finances under pressure

:03:22. > :03:24.and patient care targets being missed, there is growing

:03:25. > :03:30.frustration across the service at the long-running dispute over

:03:31. > :03:33.weekend pay and working conditions is not resolved and more

:03:34. > :03:42.The US Presidential candidate Donald Trump has insisted that

:03:43. > :03:58.Mexico will pay to build a border wall between the two countries.

:03:59. > :04:00.He set out a hard-hitting plan to curb illegal immigration.

:04:01. > :04:03.He restated plans to build a border wall with Mexico,

:04:04. > :04:05.hours after appearing to be more conciliatory in a meeting

:04:06. > :04:08.Addressing a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republican candidate

:04:09. > :04:10.insisted that Mexico would pay for its construction.

:04:11. > :04:13.The chief executive of tech giant Apple has described as 'outrageous'

:04:14. > :04:15.a European ruling that the company was given illegal tax

:04:16. > :04:19.Tim Cook said the ruling - which says Apple must pay 13 billion

:04:20. > :04:21.euros in back taxes - was driven by politics.

:04:22. > :04:24.He told the Irish broadcaster, RTE, that Apple pays a 'reasonable

:04:25. > :04:30.A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

:04:31. > :04:32.were killed when a car that was being chased

:04:33. > :04:41.Three girls were also injured in the crash in Penge in south east

:04:42. > :04:45.The man is under arrest on suspicion of causing death

:04:46. > :04:58.People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

:04:59. > :05:01.to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

:05:02. > :05:11.Until now, only people who watched programmes

:05:12. > :05:14.as they were being broadcast needed to pay the annual fee.

:05:15. > :05:17.Now viewers will be asked to confirm that they have a licence -

:05:18. > :05:19.otherwise they risk prosecution and a ?1000 fine.

:05:20. > :05:22.There's a call today to extend the programme that allows victims

:05:23. > :05:25.of crime to meet those who committed out the offence against them.

:05:26. > :05:27.A report by MPs on the Justice Committee says

:05:28. > :05:29.the provision of such restorative justice schemes is currently

:05:30. > :05:33.The Ministry of Justice says it will consider the report carefully.

:05:34. > :05:37.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:05:38. > :05:40.use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:05:41. > :05:46.I would love to know what you think about the idea of victims of crime

:05:47. > :05:51.meeting those who have actually carried out the crime. I will be

:05:52. > :05:56.joined by one mother whose son was killed, and by the man who killed

:05:57. > :06:03.her son. They are talking about why they decided to meet up a few years

:06:04. > :06:06.after the death of James. Do stay with me for that.

:06:07. > :06:09.Will Perry has the sport now and is joined by somebody who made

:06:10. > :06:11.history in Rio a couple of weeks ago.

:06:12. > :06:22.I'm joined by someone who won a bronze medal in the hammer event for

:06:23. > :06:28.Team GB, Sophie Hitchon. The first British medal in the event and the

:06:29. > :06:33.first British medal in the field since Fatima Whitbread through the

:06:34. > :06:39.javelin in 1988. We have had some great people in the past to have

:06:40. > :06:48.been unlucky with medals, but it is great to get those records out of

:06:49. > :06:52.the box. What was it like? It was so dramatic you were in fifth place,

:06:53. > :07:04.and it was your final throw. What were you thinking? You had given up

:07:05. > :07:07.already and it was just adrenaline? I had been training very well going

:07:08. > :07:13.into it and I kind of knew that I could throw the distance and if I

:07:14. > :07:19.put my technique together I would be in with a shout of a medal. We can

:07:20. > :07:27.have a look. Incredible. It doesn't get old. Hamley times have you seen

:07:28. > :07:32.that? -- how many. Many times. It doesn't get old. Field athletes

:07:33. > :07:36.don't really come into their own until you are in your 30s, so you

:07:37. > :07:44.have miles ahead of you because you are 25. Yes, the woman who won this

:07:45. > :07:47.year is around 31, I think, so with more training in the next four

:07:48. > :07:54.years, I'm looking forward to Tokyo and maybe another Olympics after

:07:55. > :08:01.that. Why are there so few British women involved in field events?

:08:02. > :08:09.Britain is quite a bit smaller than many countries. You have had that

:08:10. > :08:17.quite a bit since you came back, and you used to be a ballet dancer and

:08:18. > :08:23.you imagine that hammer throwers are huge. Everyone is different. But I

:08:24. > :08:27.think in the next few years hopefully we can inspire a few more

:08:28. > :08:33.people to take up the hammer and even other field events. I want to

:08:34. > :08:43.have a go, I thought you were going to bring it in. What about the

:08:44. > :08:49.homecoming? You went from Rio to Poland for another event? Yes, after

:08:50. > :08:52.the competition I did not have much downtime and I was doing many

:08:53. > :08:59.different things, getting myself out there a little bit. It was great.

:09:00. > :09:06.I'm going back to Burnley next week and everyone there is so proud. I

:09:07. > :09:10.heard your dad on the radio and he said he had to watch it on the BBC

:09:11. > :09:15.sport website, watching you win the medal. Incredible. They were

:09:16. > :09:22.watching at home and they were really proud. It was great to have

:09:23. > :09:29.that support from people at home. Congratulations, and we will see you

:09:30. > :09:33.in Tokyo? Definitely. That is Sophie Hitchon with a bronze medal around

:09:34. > :09:41.her neck. I never get sick of seeing those medals.

:09:42. > :09:44.And now the seemingly never-ending dispute over junior doctors

:09:45. > :09:45.contracts rolls on. Hospitals in England are making

:09:46. > :09:47.contingency plans for a series of five-day strikes

:09:48. > :09:49.announced by junior doctors. Before we get into discussing

:09:50. > :09:51.the latest action, let's have a reminder of how

:09:52. > :09:53.we got to this point. Junior doctors have taken part

:09:54. > :09:56.in six days of strikes this year, Industrial action was put on hold

:09:57. > :10:00.in May when the two sides got back round the table

:10:01. > :10:03.at conciliation service Acas. That resulted in a new contract

:10:04. > :10:06.being agreed, which BMA leaders But when it was put to the vote,

:10:07. > :10:13.58% of medics rejected it, prompting the resignation

:10:14. > :10:16.of the BMA junior doctor leader Johann Malawana,

:10:17. > :10:18.and ministers to once again announce they would impose

:10:19. > :10:24.the new terms and conditions. The strikes will take place

:10:25. > :10:26.from 08:00 BST to 17:00 BST from 12th to 16th September,

:10:27. > :10:36.with more dates to follow. I asked the health editor how much

:10:37. > :10:43.support there is for the latest strike. Some junior doctors might

:10:44. > :10:46.feel... Given 42% voted in favour of the contract, some of them might

:10:47. > :10:50.feel by not sure if they want to carry on with this action. Equally,

:10:51. > :10:54.other junior doctors were adamant they think this government is wrong

:10:55. > :11:00.to impose a contract and wrong to talk about a seven NHS in England

:11:01. > :11:03.without showing how it can be funded and saying junior doctors work at

:11:04. > :11:06.weekends already, so that is not really relevant to the argument, the

:11:07. > :11:13.seven days. What is the sticking point? So many different issues, but

:11:14. > :11:18.on the contract is over the issue of how you when you break doctors at

:11:19. > :11:23.weekends for working at weekends and the BMA says there are issues over

:11:24. > :11:26.how you look interests of women and part-time workers coming back into

:11:27. > :11:30.the workforce, and they feel they have not had enough reassurances on

:11:31. > :11:34.the seven-day NHS. The government says it has made concessions already

:11:35. > :11:35.and this was agreed before, only to be thrown out by the members, so the

:11:36. > :11:44.dispute continues. What kind of Russia does this but on

:11:45. > :11:51.the house secretary Jeremy Hunt? -- what kind of pressure does this put

:11:52. > :11:56.on the Health Secretary. The rhetoric from the Health Secretary

:11:57. > :11:59.is unflinching and he is of the view that the Conservatives had a

:12:00. > :12:03.manifesto commitment to a seven-day NHS and they have a mandate to

:12:04. > :12:08.deliver that. In terms of the pressure he is under, what is

:12:09. > :12:12.interesting about his position, he is conscious and he is making the

:12:13. > :12:18.argument around what he sees as the divided politics of the BMA, the

:12:19. > :12:22.fact that there are a good number of junior doctors who are willing to

:12:23. > :12:28.accept the deal that was on the table, and the negotiators for the

:12:29. > :12:32.BMA made the case that this was a deal which was worth accepting and

:12:33. > :12:37.there is a potential division there which he might politically exploit.

:12:38. > :12:43.Secondly, rewind the clock, there was a change of Prime Minister, and

:12:44. > :12:47.Jeremy Hunt, it was widely thought, might not continue as the Health

:12:48. > :12:51.Secretary, and when he turned up at Downing Street to see what was going

:12:52. > :12:58.to happen to him, the Badgley normally wears under his suit which

:12:59. > :13:04.says NHS was not their -- the badge he normally wears. Some thought that

:13:05. > :13:09.might mean he would shuffle into another job, but he has carried on

:13:10. > :13:13.as the Health Secretary, and at the meeting when he was reappointed the

:13:14. > :13:16.dispute was discussed between him and the new Prime Minister Theresa

:13:17. > :13:20.May and there was a commitment that he wanted to carry on with the job

:13:21. > :13:23.and that the government would remain committed to the idea of the

:13:24. > :13:30.seven-day NHS. From that perspective he has had a turbo-charged sense of

:13:31. > :13:34.his political mission reinforced with the new Prime Minister in

:13:35. > :13:39.Dawson back, and we will hear from Theresa May in the next hour or so

:13:40. > :13:46.-- endorsing that. From that perspective politically, Jeremy Hunt

:13:47. > :13:48.will feel he was endorsed by the previous Prime Minister and now the

:13:49. > :13:55.new one, as well. Thanks for joining us. No one from the Department of

:13:56. > :14:00.Health or the BMA was able to talk to us this morning.

:14:01. > :14:02.But I'm joined by Chris Hopson from NHS Providers,

:14:03. > :14:12.We are joined by also a chief executive of national voices who

:14:13. > :14:17.works with patients to improve health care standards, Jeremy

:14:18. > :14:21.Taylor. Chris, Jeremy Hunt says 100,000 bombers will have to be

:14:22. > :14:28.cancelled, would you agree with that? -- 100,000 appointments. We

:14:29. > :14:31.have been given precious little notice of the fact that we are about

:14:32. > :14:36.to go into five days of strikes which is unprecedented in the

:14:37. > :14:41.history of the NHS and we are one have 12 days to prepare, so the

:14:42. > :14:45.people that we represent, hospital leaders, they are saying that this

:14:46. > :14:49.is a difficult situation because it is a long strike and because they

:14:50. > :14:55.have been given so little notice of the fact it was coming. How do you

:14:56. > :14:58.prepare? As as happened with previous strike days, the hospital

:14:59. > :15:05.leaders will have conversations with the junior doctors to assess how

:15:06. > :15:09.many of them will actually go out on strike and then talk to consultants

:15:10. > :15:13.and other medical staff to see how available they will be and they will

:15:14. > :15:18.try and fill as many gaps as possible, but the reality is, the

:15:19. > :15:24.last time we had three strikes, it was a two-day strike and we had

:15:25. > :15:27.100,000 cancelled operations and I think a million Dost outpatient

:15:28. > :15:34.appointments, so what we are saying, this will be very disruptive --

:15:35. > :15:37.lost. The last time I visited a hospital I was talking to a taxi

:15:38. > :15:41.driver who was taking me there and he explained he was one of those

:15:42. > :15:45.patients who in the previous strike had actually missed his operation

:15:46. > :15:50.and he was explaining the consequences that had gone through

:15:51. > :15:55.for him personally in terms of the arrangements he had put in place, a

:15:56. > :16:00.lot of time and effort, to look after dogs and the house when he was

:16:01. > :16:05.away, and he was in a huge amount of pain and he was deeply frustrated,

:16:06. > :16:08.to be frank, about the fact he was going to have to live with the pain

:16:09. > :16:15.longer because they were going on strike.

:16:16. > :16:27.You said that the strike led to a hundred operations being cancelled.

:16:28. > :16:31.Again, it is difficult to know. Because they are shorter strikes. On

:16:32. > :16:37.the other hand, we have less time to prepare. There will be a loss of --

:16:38. > :16:41.a lot of work being done in the next few days to work out what the impact

:16:42. > :16:45.will be, but particularly because it is a five-day strike and at short

:16:46. > :16:50.notice there will be a significant impact. Jeremy Chardy, what are your

:16:51. > :17:02.concerns about the impact on patients? There will be cancelled

:17:03. > :17:08.operations and missed appointments. People will suffer pain, discomfort,

:17:09. > :17:12.anxiety, worry, inconvenience. This is not a good thing for patients.

:17:13. > :17:19.Strikes are not good, and they will have an impact on patients. Chris's

:17:20. > :17:24.members did a sterling job in minimising the disruption the last

:17:25. > :17:27.time. The rest of the health care workforce rallied round. NHS

:17:28. > :17:31.managers did a fantastic job to organise services to minimise

:17:32. > :17:36.disruption, but inevitably there will be disruption and it has a bad

:17:37. > :17:41.impact on patients. If the doctors want to make a point of air strike,

:17:42. > :17:48.it needs to have an impact. It will have a bad impact on patients. We

:17:49. > :17:53.need people to get back around the table, compromise is hard but it is

:17:54. > :17:55.better than striking. We're talking about the number of operations

:17:56. > :17:59.cancelled, but what about appointments, which in many cases

:18:00. > :18:05.people will have been waiting for for a long time? I don't want to

:18:06. > :18:11.bandy around statistics, because I don't have any to ban the run. While

:18:12. > :18:17.there is uncertainty, we haven't had a five-day stoppage before. What we

:18:18. > :18:19.can be sure about is that there will be a substantial number of planned

:18:20. > :18:25.operations and appointments that will have to be postponed, so I

:18:26. > :18:29.don't have exact numbers, but we can be pretty sure that it will cause

:18:30. > :18:37.disruption. What type of care will be affected? Presumably, it comes

:18:38. > :18:43.down to who is. Write the specific specialities of medics who will be

:18:44. > :18:48.available. The hospital has three different things it does. It has

:18:49. > :18:52.accident and emergency departments, where there is a strong focus on

:18:53. > :18:56.ensuring that if there is a genuine accident or emergency, that will be

:18:57. > :19:00.looked after. In the last strike, people were at the front door to

:19:01. > :19:11.say, if you are not urgent, go to the GP, for example. Secondly, there

:19:12. > :19:15.will be a the there -- there will be elective operations that will be

:19:16. > :19:20.cancelled because there will be insufficient staff to conduct those.

:19:21. > :19:26.Hopefully be less urgent ones will be postponed. The third thing is

:19:27. > :19:30.that outpatient appointments, a follow-up appointment, for example,

:19:31. > :19:35.because there won't be enough people those will be disrupted. We will

:19:36. > :19:38.concentrate on providing the right quality of accident and emergency

:19:39. > :19:44.service, but as was discovered last time, what will be particularly hit

:19:45. > :19:49.will be elective operations, and then outpatient appointments. These

:19:50. > :19:52.elective operations get scheduled sometime in advance. When do they

:19:53. > :19:57.get slotted in once they have been cancelled? Does everybody get

:19:58. > :20:01.shunted and have to wait longer? Decisions will be made on the basis

:20:02. > :20:05.of clinical need. Effectively, if there is someone who cannot wait,

:20:06. > :20:11.they will be done as quickly as possible. If there are people for

:20:12. > :20:18.whom perhaps a four-week wait will be slightly less of an impact, they

:20:19. > :20:22.might wait longer. Again, all I am saying, Joanna, is we are talking

:20:23. > :20:30.about 1 million patients coming through our hospitals every 36

:20:31. > :20:36.hours. It is a finely honed, detailed, complex operation to get

:20:37. > :20:41.that number of people through an already overstretched health

:20:42. > :20:50.service. I cannot really tell you how much disruption it causes a

:20:51. > :20:54.whole bunch, 750,000 staff, working in those organisations to have to

:20:55. > :20:58.replan something that has been planned extremely carefully over a

:20:59. > :21:02.long period of time. It is not just the disruption to patients that is

:21:03. > :21:07.important, but also the fact that it disrupts what is already a service

:21:08. > :21:16.that is really creaking at the edges in terms of the volume. You only get

:21:17. > :21:19.that volume through by having slick processes that gets everybody where

:21:20. > :21:26.they are meant to be at the right time. Do you understand how strongly

:21:27. > :21:34.junior doctors feel? Yes, of course, but a couple of points. The

:21:35. > :21:39.Government and NHS employers have made 73 concessions over the last...

:21:40. > :21:45.They dismiss that and say it is semantics. Of course, junior doctors

:21:46. > :21:50.have a vital role to play in the NHS. They do a really important

:21:51. > :21:53.role, and any group of workers having their contracts change should

:21:54. > :21:59.have the right to negotiate those changes. We have been at this for

:22:00. > :22:05.three years, and I think as your introduction clearly pointed out,

:22:06. > :22:10.the BMA themselves agreed a contract in May, having sat down and

:22:11. > :22:15.discussed this for over two years. They said, yes, fine, this is the

:22:16. > :22:18.contract we are prepared to accept. In the end, industrial disputes have

:22:19. > :22:23.to be ended. You cannot carry on disrupting public services,

:22:24. > :22:30.particularly one as important as the NHS. Finally, it is paid for by the

:22:31. > :22:36.taxpayer and paid for by patients who are going to be seriously

:22:37. > :22:37.inconvenienced by the strike. Chris Robson and Jeremy Taylor, thank you

:22:38. > :22:46.both. How much strength does it take to

:22:47. > :22:51.meet your son's Keller. We look at the real-life impact of what is

:22:52. > :22:55.called restorative justice, with a victim and an offender.

:22:56. > :22:57.When animal lover Laura Inglis moved to a small town

:22:58. > :23:00.in southern Spain for work, she was heartbroken at the condition

:23:01. > :23:04.Unable to leave them behind, she spent her life savings

:23:05. > :23:07.to rescue 41 of the animals, shipping them from the Costa del Sol

:23:08. > :23:09.back to her mother Norma's house in Edinburgh.

:23:10. > :23:42.And this is Diablo, this means devil in Spanish.

:23:43. > :23:45.Initially when I moved to Spain I saw the condition of some

:23:46. > :23:49.of the street cats and couldn't stand by and do nothing.

:23:50. > :23:52.When you told your mum there were going to be 41 cats

:23:53. > :23:54.coming back to her house, what did she say?

:23:55. > :24:07.I think she's so pleased to have me back and she's very,

:24:08. > :24:11.very supportive, totally supportive, but I think she's always got my best

:24:12. > :24:17.She knows how much I spend on the cats and how much

:24:18. > :24:28.I've cashed in shares, I've cashed in endowments

:24:29. > :24:30.on my house but money's not important when there's more

:24:31. > :24:37.You must spend a fortune on cat food.

:24:38. > :24:51.Plus on top of that, we've got vet bills and all the deworming.

:24:52. > :24:53.We have about 25 or so in the garage.

:24:54. > :25:05.All the pillows here that are on the beds here

:25:06. > :25:08.so that they can all have them and it just keeps everything clean.

:25:09. > :25:19.I'll go through four a day, so 40 litres per day.

:25:20. > :25:25.So that's just for a day there?

:25:26. > :25:47.But yeah, yeah, there are some that I will not part with.

:25:48. > :25:52.What is it about cats that is so special that you love?

:25:53. > :25:54.They just give you so much attention, so much affection

:25:55. > :25:59.And do you mind putting your social life

:26:00. > :26:10.To be honest, some of my cats, most of my cats, they're so good company,

:26:11. > :26:15.when I'm feeling down, they cheer me up.

:26:16. > :26:22.Yes, for each and every single one of them and they're

:26:23. > :26:30.all Spanish cats - Espana.

:26:31. > :26:33.So you're confident that you know all your cats that if I said

:26:34. > :26:36.the name you could tell me what colour it says on the passport?

:26:37. > :26:39.OK so if I said Precious, what would it say

:26:40. > :26:48.Smarty's white - Smarty Pants.

:26:49. > :27:00.Yes, now we'll have to see who is present and correct.

:27:01. > :27:09.How many garage cats have we got in now then?

:27:10. > :27:16.I can still go out in the evening when I want to.

:27:17. > :27:21.Normally everything is finished by 8 o'clock in the evening.

:27:22. > :27:25.I'm going out tomorrow evening on a date.

:27:26. > :27:29.He saw me and recognised me and said, "crazy cat lady", yes.

:27:30. > :27:32.So he recognised your picture from the local paper?

:27:33. > :27:42.So you might find love because you've rescued the cats?

:27:43. > :27:53.It will be nice, he's a nice person so we'll see, yes.

:27:54. > :28:05.I feel like we should follow up on her dating prospects too!

:28:06. > :28:08.Should victims of crime have the right to contact

:28:09. > :28:13.We hear from a mother who met the man who killed her son?

:28:14. > :28:15.We follow the conservationists helping to save the African

:28:16. > :28:17.elephants as the first ever aerial survey revealed a dramatic

:28:18. > :28:31.Hospitals in England are making contingency plans for a series

:28:32. > :28:34.of five-day strikes announced by junior doctors.

:28:35. > :28:37.The latest wave of industrial action is due to begin

:28:38. > :28:44.The doctors' union, the BMA, is blaming the government's decision

:28:45. > :28:46.to impose new pay and working conditions on doctors.

:28:47. > :28:51.The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, says he still wants to talk.

:28:52. > :28:54.Chris Hopson from NHS providers told this programme it's hard to know

:28:55. > :29:06.It is difficult to know because they are shorter strike, but on the other

:29:07. > :29:12.hand, we have less time to prepare, so there will be a lot of work done

:29:13. > :29:15.over the next few days to work out what the impact will be, but

:29:16. > :29:18.particularly because it is a five-day strike, and at short

:29:19. > :29:22.notice, there are clearly will be a significant impact.

:29:23. > :29:24.The US presidential candidate, Donald Trump, has set

:29:25. > :29:26.out a hard-hitting plan to curb illegal immigration.

:29:27. > :29:28.He restated plans to build a border wall with Mexico,

:29:29. > :29:31.hours after appearing to be conciliatory in a meeting

:29:32. > :29:34.Addressing a rally in Phoenix, Arizona, the Republican candidate

:29:35. > :29:38.insisted that Mexico would pay for its construction.

:29:39. > :29:43.A 23-year-old man is still in police custody after a woman and young boy

:29:44. > :29:46.were killed when a car that was being chased

:29:47. > :29:51.Three girls were also injured in the crash in Penge in south east

:29:52. > :29:57.People who don't own a television - but use the BBC iPlayer

:29:58. > :29:59.to catch up on shows - must pay for a TV

:30:00. > :30:02.Until now, only people who watched programmes

:30:03. > :30:06.as they were being broadcast needed to pay the annual fee.

:30:07. > :30:10.Now viewers will be asked to confirm that they have a licence -

:30:11. > :30:17.otherwise they risk prosecution and a ?1000 fine.

:30:18. > :30:20.The UK manufacturing industry has swung to a 10-month high and beat

:30:21. > :30:22.expectations as it rebounded from its slump

:30:23. > :30:31.The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index for the sector rose to 53.3

:30:32. > :30:34.in August from July's figure of 48.3.

:30:35. > :30:45.A figure above 50 indicates the sector is expanding.

:30:46. > :30:49.But there was also evidence that the weaker pound had pushed up company's

:30:50. > :30:53.costs. That's a summary of the latest news,

:30:54. > :31:01.join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11. Many of you getting in touch

:31:02. > :31:06.regarding the doctors strike. One person on text says the doctors knew

:31:07. > :31:12.what they were signing up to when they started the job, they should

:31:13. > :31:15.stop whining. Peters says, the root of the problem is that Jeremy Hunt

:31:16. > :31:19.did not consult with the doctors before implementing his so-called

:31:20. > :31:26.reforms. Maybe if he had done so he would be much wiser. Another one

:31:27. > :31:31.says Jeremy Hunt only consults with the doctors with preprepared

:31:32. > :31:36.statements. He should be willing to be questioned face-to-face. This

:31:37. > :31:44.person says they support the junior doctors for the Mary says the junior

:31:45. > :31:49.doctors are concerned about patient care. It is not all about page, it

:31:50. > :31:51.is common sense, she says. Will Perry's back now

:31:52. > :31:54.with the sport headlines. The sports headlines

:31:55. > :31:58.this morning: A massive, record braking ?1.165 billion spent

:31:59. > :32:03.in the summer transfer window. One of the biggest deals on deadline

:32:04. > :32:06.day saw David Luiz return to Chelsea for ?34 million

:32:07. > :32:08.from Paris St Germain, 2 years Tottenham managed to convince

:32:09. > :32:16.Moussa Sissoko to join them instead of Everton in the 11th hour

:32:17. > :32:28.with the French international signing

:32:29. > :32:29.for ?30 million from newcastle. British number 1 Johanna Konta

:32:30. > :32:31.collapsed on court but recovered to win her 2nd round US Open match

:32:32. > :32:34.against Tsvetana Pironkova Kyle Edmund's also

:32:35. > :32:37.into the third round. And Chris Froome moved up to 2nd

:32:38. > :32:40.place in the overall standings Froome won yesterday's stage 11,

:32:41. > :32:44.beating Nairo Quintana Team GB's Olympians and Paralympians

:32:45. > :32:54.may get a brand new shiny kit for each set of Games -

:32:55. > :32:56.this year designed But not every athlete

:32:57. > :33:02.at Rio can count on that. Some of the athletes representing

:33:03. > :33:04.poorer countries have to provide their own -

:33:05. > :33:07.and this can even prevent Alex Mitchell was volunteering

:33:08. > :33:11.at London 2012 when he noticed athletes competing in poor quality

:33:12. > :33:14.or badly fitting shoes and clothes, He founded a charity which has now

:33:15. > :33:23.funded thousands of pounds worth of kit, and it's due to be flown out

:33:24. > :33:26.to paralympians in Rio. Some of the kit found its way to the

:33:27. > :33:32.Namibian team, as well. In a minute we can speak

:33:33. > :33:35.to Michael Hamukwaya, the athletics coach for the Namibian Paralympic

:33:36. > :33:37.team, who have received lots of kit from Alex,

:33:38. > :33:45.but first a few questions. You were volunteering at London and

:33:46. > :33:52.you spotted what? Myself and a few other volunteers spotted a couple of

:33:53. > :33:59.Ivory Coast athletes, T 45 and T 46, who did not have the correct

:34:00. > :34:03.sprinting spikes, and we thought for the cost of ?70 that was a bit

:34:04. > :34:09.ridiculous and so we went out and we bought them for them. What did they

:34:10. > :34:12.say? They were surprised, that someone wanted to give them

:34:13. > :34:17.something for free, but when they and other Paralympians found out

:34:18. > :34:20.there was a willingness to open up and ask for support and four anyway

:34:21. > :34:29.in which we could help. How many did you help? About 60 Paralympic

:34:30. > :34:34.athletes in 2012. That was coming out of your own pocket? My own

:34:35. > :34:39.pocket and donations from the public and some of the other Games makers

:34:40. > :34:45.who were the other volunteers at the time. You have now set up the

:34:46. > :34:50.charity, how much have you raised? The money we have raised is

:34:51. > :34:57.relatively small, we set up in 2013 and we went to Glasgow for the

:34:58. > :35:04.Commonwealth Games. We have raised in the region of around ?5,000 total

:35:05. > :35:08.but we have put in money myself, myself and my wife, we make sure any

:35:09. > :35:15.donations on the public go directly to the athletes we support. What

:35:16. > :35:22.made you want to support them? I'm not an athlete, although it is a

:35:23. > :35:34.worry for the Paralympic games I have got power lifter on my

:35:35. > :35:37.accreditation X --! But it seemed a bit ridiculous that a barrier to

:35:38. > :35:41.basic kit like running shoes and swimming suits and powerlifting

:35:42. > :35:45.suits, it was a barrier holding them back and we thought this was a way

:35:46. > :35:53.we could level the playing field. Michael, you coach Namibian

:35:54. > :35:58.Paralympians who have been helped by this charity, what support have you

:35:59. > :36:02.had and what difference has it made? The project that he has been running

:36:03. > :36:08.has made a difference for many, especially the Paralympic athletes.

:36:09. > :36:16.Most of our Paralympic sports is still a new thing in Africa, and the

:36:17. > :36:20.government is trying to push them. But as we say it is to a new thing

:36:21. > :36:25.which is coming up in Africa and most resources are still not really

:36:26. > :36:31.much invested in Paralympic sport. So when these guys get to the Games

:36:32. > :36:35.they don't have all the conditions, even the training, when they are

:36:36. > :36:41.doing it, they don't have these conditions, especially equipment,

:36:42. > :36:50.and with Alex's help, what he is doing, it helps us a lot, and at

:36:51. > :37:00.Namibian we have some kit, which we got from Glasgow, and when we went

:37:01. > :37:05.back, when I showed Alex some of the pictures, some of them used to run

:37:06. > :37:08.in running gear which was torn and not really very much and not very

:37:09. > :37:17.good, especially when they come to race at these high level. When they

:37:18. > :37:21.come to this highest level, they just come as they are and that is

:37:22. > :37:27.always a disadvantage. Sorry to interrupt. Do you want to talk to

:37:28. > :37:34.Alex to say thank you for the help you are outlining? Definitely. Alex,

:37:35. > :37:44.we want to say thank you for the work you are doing, I note the help

:37:45. > :37:49.you are -- I note the help you are giving to poor countries, it is

:37:50. > :37:56.great, we hope it increases to give these guys a better opportunity to

:37:57. > :38:04.compete with this equipment. It must make you proud. These are amazing

:38:05. > :38:09.athletes, like the power lifter, it is amazing how much they can bench

:38:10. > :38:13.press, and to give them a suit which costs ?70 to make, it is staggering

:38:14. > :38:17.what difference this can make to an individual. There is a great

:38:18. > :38:22.advertising campaign which is all about ability and that is what the

:38:23. > :38:25.Paralympics is all about, these are athletes who are giving it their all

:38:26. > :38:33.and pay sick kit should not be a barrier to it -- and basic kit

:38:34. > :38:37.should not be a barrier to it. To both of you, thanks for joining us.

:38:38. > :38:41.If you were a victim of crime would you be happy to meet

:38:42. > :38:43.with the person who caused the harm to you?

:38:44. > :38:44.Restorative justice brings together victims of crime

:38:45. > :38:47.with the perpetrators of the offence.

:38:48. > :38:51.Research shows it reduces reoffending by 14% and has an 85%

:38:52. > :38:58.A committee of MPs have today said this should be a right

:38:59. > :39:01.for all victims of crime, and something the government should

:39:02. > :39:07.Let's talk now to Joan Scourfield, whose son James, a 28-year-old

:39:08. > :39:10.trainee paramedic was killed in 2011 when he was assaulted

:39:11. > :39:20.Jason, who also joins us this morning, punched James once

:39:21. > :39:23.in the face which fractured his skull and caused a brain haemorrhage

:39:24. > :39:28.He was sentenced to 30 months in jail for manslaughter,

:39:29. > :39:36.The pair began the restorative justice programme not long

:39:37. > :39:40.after Jacob was released from prison.

:39:41. > :39:50.You are both with us this morning. Tell us more about your son James.

:39:51. > :39:55.What was he like? Very much a family person, always at home for parties

:39:56. > :40:00.and family events, he was very sporting and he loved adventure

:40:01. > :40:07.sports, skiing, that kind of stuff, mountain bikes. He was a paramedic

:40:08. > :40:15.as his career. He loved life, really. Your whole life changed when

:40:16. > :40:21.you got that call to say what had happened. Yes. James was alive nine

:40:22. > :40:27.days and it was a roller-coaster as to whether he would live or need

:40:28. > :40:35.rehab but what would happen, really. What happened on the night he was

:40:36. > :40:37.killed? They had been out to the cricket and they went for a few

:40:38. > :40:44.drinks afterwards, they are in Nottingham town centre and they had

:40:45. > :40:49.gathered themselves ready for a taxi home and they were chatting to

:40:50. > :40:56.another group of lads. Jacob punched him once on the chin and that was

:40:57. > :41:03.all. How did you feel about the person who had killed your son?

:41:04. > :41:09.Jacob is sitting here. At that time you could not put a face to it, what

:41:10. > :41:14.about your emotions? I wanted to know why he had done it, really.

:41:15. > :41:26.When you first saw him in court, how did you feel? I was more wound up

:41:27. > :41:31.with the sentence at that point and I thought my son's life was worth

:41:32. > :41:37.more than that. 30 months? Yes, that is not really a deterrent. You were

:41:38. > :41:43.angry? Yes, but more with the justice system than with Jacob,

:41:44. > :41:46.because that is the justice system. If someone had said you you could

:41:47. > :41:51.meet Jacob at that stage, what would you have said? We would not have

:41:52. > :41:58.done it at that stage, not at all, but later on, victim support, they

:41:59. > :42:01.were coming backwards and forwards, and we had unanswered questions, it

:42:02. > :42:05.was nothing about meeting Jacob, it was just to get the questions

:42:06. > :42:10.answered and to see what kind of character he was. Please tell you

:42:11. > :42:14.what he might have done before but they don't tell you about his

:42:15. > :42:19.character. -- the police tell you. What did you want to know? Whether

:42:20. > :42:26.it was revenge, had James talked to a girl or knocked his pint over, to

:42:27. > :42:32.find out why he had done it. You entered into the process, how did

:42:33. > :42:36.that work? You put the questions forward through a third party? We

:42:37. > :42:40.did not know anything about restorative justice and victim

:42:41. > :42:49.support said there is a system but Jacob might not agree to it. We knew

:42:50. > :42:57.it could have just been no thanks, but we had to take the chance. The

:42:58. > :43:03.restorative justice team came to us and asked the questions are what we

:43:04. > :43:09.wanted to be answered, and then they went off and went to see if Jacob

:43:10. > :43:17.could answer our questions and help us with our grieving. Jacob, when

:43:18. > :43:28.you first saw Joan and her husband David in court, how did you feel? At

:43:29. > :43:35.that time I was frustrated and angry, who felt more sorry for

:43:36. > :43:42.himself, than anybody else. I was more concerned about myself and my

:43:43. > :43:49.family, trying to come to terms with what had happened and what I'd done.

:43:50. > :43:59.What about the impact on your own life? When you had the contact after

:44:00. > :44:08.you have been sentenced from the family, how did you feel? When I was

:44:09. > :44:12.released from custody, I've said it before, others bore at risk of

:44:13. > :44:21.committing an offence -- I was more at risk of committing an offence

:44:22. > :44:24.because I had become or frustrated and I blamed myself and other people

:44:25. > :44:30.and there was no space in custody for myself to reflect on what I'd

:44:31. > :44:33.done and there was no one to challenge what I'd done and there

:44:34. > :44:37.were others who shared the same criminal values that I did, and when

:44:38. > :44:42.I came out of custody I was not in a good position and I did not have any

:44:43. > :44:47.likelihood of employment. When David and Joan came forward and asked

:44:48. > :44:53.those questions, that was a time when I really took a step back and

:44:54. > :44:57.thought, there are people in this situation that have been harmed more

:44:58. > :45:03.than I have and I had to face up to that. After some reflection I

:45:04. > :45:08.decided the least I could do was to answer their questions and try and

:45:09. > :45:16.move forward in a more positive way. And it led to the three if you

:45:17. > :45:22.coming together. What was the first meeting like?

:45:23. > :45:28.Nerve wracking for both of us. And sure it was hard for Jacob to come

:45:29. > :45:35.to me, but it was still hard for us to see Jacob. How did you feel? I

:45:36. > :45:40.had already gained a lot from the process, just through the mediation

:45:41. > :45:44.and the letters. We were corresponding for two and a half

:45:45. > :45:48.years before we got to the point where we felt comfortable to meet

:45:49. > :45:56.each other face-to-face. You said you were harder -- you were sure it

:45:57. > :46:00.was harder for Jacob. He killed your son. I know, but when you have done

:46:01. > :46:09.something, it is hard to say sorry sometimes. And hard to forgive too.

:46:10. > :46:17.Yes. Did you go to meet him feeling like you could forgive him? Although

:46:18. > :46:28.Remedy were very good, they would tell us, not just the questions, but

:46:29. > :46:36.how he felt. Everything was at our own pace. They said, you know you

:46:37. > :46:41.can drop out at any time, even on the day of meeting. They would say,

:46:42. > :46:46.Jacob is on the way but if you want to drop out, you can. I would also

:46:47. > :46:52.say that I learnt a lot more from this restorative justice process

:46:53. > :46:57.than I ever did in custody, and it was more difficult for me to walk

:46:58. > :47:04.into that room knowing they were there than spending 15 months in

:47:05. > :47:10.custody. For me, that was being able to hear first-hand how I had

:47:11. > :47:13.impacted the family, and I couldn't hide away from that any more and put

:47:14. > :47:17.it away to the back and not think about it. I was made to think about

:47:18. > :47:23.it and take responsibility for what I had done. Then you are sat looking

:47:24. > :47:28.at yourself, thinking, how can I become a better person and integrate

:47:29. > :47:33.back into society? Would you credit the fact that you came together with

:47:34. > :47:36.changing your life? This is the strange thing about it - although I

:47:37. > :47:43.went to that meeting wanting to say sorry for what I had done, and I

:47:44. > :47:48.knew that could never be enough - I also wanted to say thank you,

:47:49. > :47:51.because if they did not have the courage to come forward and put

:47:52. > :47:59.those questions to me, I would not be the person I am today. For you,

:48:00. > :48:04.Joan... We asked Jacob questions and he answered in a letter, saying he

:48:05. > :48:07.wanted to say sorry but it was not enough. We told him to try to keep

:48:08. > :48:13.out of trouble and turn his life around, and he has more than done.

:48:14. > :48:21.Credit to him. He says it is us, but... What is the relationship

:48:22. > :48:24.between the two of you now? We don't have real contact, only e-mail. Or

:48:25. > :48:30.if we are called for something like this. We're working on the One Punch

:48:31. > :48:35.campaign. When you say you have e-mail contact, is it because you

:48:36. > :48:39.want to know how he is getting on? Yes. As a mother, I was worried that

:48:40. > :48:45.once probation stopped and everything went away in terms of

:48:46. > :48:50.restorative justice, would he fall back? He has come a long way, but in

:48:51. > :48:58.the early days you don't know, do you? Do you almost feel a sense of

:48:59. > :49:05.responsibility to Joan and David? In a way, yes. We have got to a point

:49:06. > :49:13.now where we both know that what we have said we mean. I believe I have

:49:14. > :49:18.tried everything I can and I have done everything I can to try to

:49:19. > :49:22.repair some of the harm. If you hadn't gone through this, where do

:49:23. > :49:26.you think you would both be now in terms of your emotions and where

:49:27. > :49:32.your lives would be? Probably still questioning and grieving, wondering

:49:33. > :49:42.why he did it. Nobody else could really answer those questions. For

:49:43. > :49:49.me, I would probably even be in and out of custody or just still an

:49:50. > :49:53.angry young man wandering around with a load of issues he doesn't

:49:54. > :50:01.know how to resolve. Great to talk to you both. Thank you very much.

:50:02. > :50:12.Some breaking news to bring you on that crash in Penge in south London.

:50:13. > :50:22.Kyle McCall at has been named as the ten-year-old who died.

:50:23. > :50:30.It's long been suspected that Africa's elephant population has

:50:31. > :50:32.been shrinking significantly, but now a figure has been put on it.

:50:33. > :50:36.At least 144,000 - that's a third of the population -

:50:37. > :50:39.have been killed in the past decade, according to the first ever

:50:40. > :50:42.The Great Elephant Census, as it's called, took

:50:43. > :50:46.two years to complete, and covered nearly half a million

:50:47. > :50:49.kilometres of savannah in 18 countries.

:50:50. > :50:51.The people behind the census make the following prediction:

:50:52. > :50:54.At the current rate of poaching, half the elephants left in Africa

:50:55. > :50:59.Botswana is home to more than 40 percent of the continent's

:51:00. > :51:01.Our Africa correspondent, Alastair Leithead, is in Kenya.

:51:02. > :51:04.The reason we have come to the orphanage is to draw

:51:05. > :51:14.The reason we have seen this drop in elephant numbers is poaching.

:51:15. > :51:16.Half the elephants we saw here were here because their mothers

:51:17. > :51:18.were killed by poachers and they were left young.

:51:19. > :51:21.They were brought up here and reintroduced into the wild

:51:22. > :51:23.once they get to three and a half years old.

:51:24. > :51:26.We were recently in Botswana where the research into the census

:51:27. > :51:33.They have been flying across 18 African countries canting

:51:34. > :51:38.They have been flying across 18 African countries counting

:51:39. > :51:40.the elephants, and they tag elephants, they dart it,

:51:41. > :51:50.The vet, Larry Patterson, prepared the tranquilliser dart

:51:51. > :51:52.so that Elephants Without Borders could get the tracking

:51:53. > :51:54.collar onto the elephant and follow its movements.

:51:55. > :52:03.They selected a big bull who was making his way to one

:52:04. > :52:13.It is Botswana's worst drought in 30 years,

:52:14. > :52:17.countries mean that the elephants have come here, and there

:52:18. > :52:21.Knowing how many there are and where they It is really

:52:22. > :52:26.important in terms of helping to protect them.

:52:27. > :52:29.The drugs took more than ten minutes to take effect.

:52:30. > :52:31.They were worried the elephant would fall awkwardly

:52:32. > :52:46.onto a tree stump, but he fell back on his haunches.

:52:47. > :52:49.Once they were confident he was under, the team took out

:52:50. > :52:52.the collar, the elephant's new accessory for the next three

:52:53. > :52:55.years, and took it over to fasten it on.

:52:56. > :53:04.He was still a little bit awake, so they had to work quickly in order

:53:05. > :53:13.They had to keep his trunk open throughout so he could breathe

:53:14. > :53:14.while under the influence of the drugs.

:53:15. > :53:17.A weight is put under his chin to keep the GPS tracker

:53:18. > :53:20.in position on his shoulders, so that it can see the satellite.

:53:21. > :53:22.While he was under, they took the opportunity

:53:23. > :53:27.Larry thought he was probably about 50 years old.

:53:28. > :53:30.Given this year is Botswana's 50th anniversary year, the team

:53:31. > :53:36.nicknamed their latest tracked elephant the local

:53:37. > :53:53.It was a precarious operation, but it was all done pretty quickly.

:53:54. > :53:55.And then it was just a matter of injecting the antidote

:53:56. > :54:08.We watched nervously as he came to, and then got steadily back

:54:09. > :54:12.on his feet - dazed, confused, but suitably accessorised to now

:54:13. > :54:20.It's really important data they are gathering

:54:21. > :54:25.Elephants used to cross over the borders of five African

:54:26. > :54:27.countries and now they don't because they are smart

:54:28. > :54:29.enough to realise there are dangers of poaching

:54:30. > :54:38.The elephants we saw here this morning, cute as they might be,

:54:39. > :54:42.are the real way of putting into reality the situation.

:54:43. > :54:44.If poaching isn't stopped, at the current rate,

:54:45. > :54:48.in nine years, half of Africa's elephants could be gone.

:54:49. > :54:51.As we heard, Botswana is home to more than 40% of

:54:52. > :54:59.Joining us now from our Bristol studio is Garth Hovell,

:55:00. > :55:02.a safari guide who's worked in Botswana and has experience

:55:03. > :55:14.How concerned are you about the future for elephants? Yellow might

:55:15. > :55:18.very concerned. I think this survey shows as we have been lacking all

:55:19. > :55:23.along concrete evidence of what our base line is. Now that we know that,

:55:24. > :55:28.we know the urgency involved in trying to fix this problem and

:55:29. > :55:35.protect them better. What is the best way to protect them? They need

:55:36. > :55:40.space. They roam in large areas, especially during drought periods

:55:41. > :55:45.they will congregate around water, which means they will destroy the

:55:46. > :55:50.habitat they are in. The other part of that, which the censors didn't

:55:51. > :55:55.cover, is that you lose your diversity, the animals that rely on

:55:56. > :56:03.the forest that the elephants end up destroying. They need space. There

:56:04. > :56:13.are charities like Space For Giants that are trying to secure space for

:56:14. > :56:19.them. There is proposed national park that crosses the border is in

:56:20. > :56:22.the area. It will encourage elephants to leave the sanctuary of

:56:23. > :56:27.Botswana and go back into their traditional routes back into

:56:28. > :56:32.countries like Angola, Zimbabwe, those sorts of places. It is

:56:33. > :56:36.extraordinary, the rate at which they are declining. 30% of Africa's

:56:37. > :56:44.elephants have disappeared in recent years. What is being done to stop

:56:45. > :56:48.poaching? More and more, leading governments such as Botswana are

:56:49. > :56:56.starting to the ploy troops from their Armed Forces. It is not enough

:56:57. > :57:00.to just rely on national park Scouts or police officers to do this. The

:57:01. > :57:05.countries involved are trying to take this as seriously as possible.

:57:06. > :57:12.Have elephants effectively been taken for granted until Mal? These

:57:13. > :57:18.figures paint a very clear picture of something that perhaps hasn't

:57:19. > :57:26.been realised previously. I agree. Until now, the fact that there was

:57:27. > :57:30.no baseline study to read from meant that people could take their own

:57:31. > :57:39.opinions or their own numbers or estimates as gospel. I think you are

:57:40. > :57:43.right, it was the population numbers or the lack of baseline information

:57:44. > :57:49.that led to them being taken for granted. Thank you for joining us.

:57:50. > :57:55.Some comments on the discussion we had with Joan and Jacob about their

:57:56. > :58:02.meeting up after Jacob killed Joan's son David. Matthew says: It is not

:58:03. > :58:06.something everyone would take part in but those who do seem to get

:58:07. > :58:12.benefits from the process. Another comment: It shows how it can change

:58:13. > :58:17.lives for the better. Kim says: I am moved watching them talking. I only

:58:18. > :58:20.wish it had been available when I was a family counsellor. It might

:58:21. > :58:21.not work for all but there is no doubt about the positive impact it

:58:22. > :58:22.can have. I told you, I don't need any help.

:58:23. > :58:38.And I told you, you've got it.