26/09/2016

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello, it's Monday, it's 9:00am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:09. > :00:14.Police investigating the disappearance of the Sheffield

:00:15. > :00:16.toddler Ben Needham 25 years ago will begin excavation work

:00:17. > :00:34.reporting live from Kos, where police say they are optimistic about

:00:35. > :00:35.finding evidence that could solve this 25 year mystery. What did

:00:36. > :00:38.happen to Ben Needham in 1991? Also today - this programme has been

:00:39. > :00:42.told that a US firm used by the Government to cut tax credit

:00:43. > :00:52.payments received calls We were dealing with people claiming

:00:53. > :00:55.that they were going to commit suicide. You have to try and keep

:00:56. > :00:57.them on the phone while the manager phones the police to go to their

:00:58. > :01:00.address to make sure they are OK. Concentrix say their staff

:01:01. > :01:02.follow the guidelines - we'll bring you more of that

:01:03. > :01:04.exclusive story around 9:15. Plus, after Jeremy Corbyn's decisive

:01:05. > :01:06.victory at the weekend to retain his job as leader

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:01:27. > :01:28.reluctantly don't want to vote Labour because of Jeremy Corbyn.

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:01:34. > :01:35.are being discussed today in a bid to stop the slaughter

:01:36. > :01:51.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11:00.

:01:52. > :01:53.This morning, we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:01:54. > :01:57.and developing stories - plus we'll look ahead to the US

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:02:09. > :02:11.It has been a quarter of a century since British toddler Ben Needham

:02:12. > :02:17.went missing on the Greek Island of Kos and today, police will today

:02:18. > :02:20.start excavating a site there in the latest search for him.

:02:21. > :02:23.Ben vanished in 1991 and no trace of him has ever been found.

:02:24. > :02:26.A public appeal in Greece earlier this year led to information

:02:27. > :02:28.which detectives believe has given them an important new lead,

:02:29. > :02:31.about a possible digger accident close to where the 21-month-old was

:02:32. > :02:35.Let's talk now to our correspondent in Kos,

:02:36. > :02:49.Tell us more about what will happen today. This is day one of a dig

:02:50. > :02:54.which could last ten to 12 days. Two weeks of work to carry out at this

:02:55. > :02:59.site. We are right outside the building where Ben Needham was

:03:00. > :03:03.playing on the day he vanished on that July afternoon. His mother has

:03:04. > :03:08.always campaigned in the belief that he was abducted and that he is still

:03:09. > :03:12.alive. However, it has looked increasingly likely now, from what

:03:13. > :03:15.police investigations have been taking place, particularly recently

:03:16. > :03:19.with the renewed investigation, that he may have been the victim of an

:03:20. > :03:23.accident on the day he vanished and he may have been accidentally run

:03:24. > :03:26.over and buried by a bulldozer that was working here at the time. So

:03:27. > :03:36.South Yorkshire Police have come here to the island of Kos to carry

:03:37. > :03:38.out some work to start that excavation. A little while ago, the

:03:39. > :03:40.senior investigating officer here told us what he hoped to get and

:03:41. > :03:41.what was likely to happen. There was a team here in 2012 doing

:03:42. > :03:44.a search of an area of land to my right that was based

:03:45. > :03:47.on information that was known at that time -

:03:48. > :03:49.a very thorough and intricate A number of items were found

:03:50. > :03:53.during that search which now bear significance, having had opportunity

:03:54. > :03:55.to do the investigation that we've As a result of that

:03:56. > :04:00.and the new information that came to light in May, that is why

:04:01. > :04:03.the decision has been made to search the area of land that

:04:04. > :04:14.we are now doing. To cut through the police speak

:04:15. > :04:17.about what is happening, basically, someone has come forward with new

:04:18. > :04:21.information and they believe that information points them to the fact

:04:22. > :04:24.that Ben was the victim of an accident on the day he vanished.

:04:25. > :04:29.They are now digging to see if they can find Ben's remains, and police

:04:30. > :04:33.say they are optimistic that they could solve this mystery. Thank you,

:04:34. > :04:36.Danny. Let's get the summary now

:04:37. > :04:38.from the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

:04:39. > :04:40.emerged this morning about Concentrix -

:04:41. > :04:42.the firm used by the government This programme can reveal the firm

:04:43. > :04:52.have been told to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

:04:53. > :04:54.arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

:04:55. > :04:57.they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

:04:58. > :04:59.received advance warning With some people screaming

:05:00. > :05:07.at call centre workers. And Victoria will be speaking

:05:08. > :05:10.to a claimant who had her benefits Theresa May's supporters have hit

:05:11. > :05:14.back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former PM

:05:15. > :05:16.David Cameron after urging him to take a softer line on immigration

:05:17. > :05:19.during EU negotiations before June's Sources close to Mrs May say

:05:20. > :05:23.she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

:05:24. > :05:26.as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

:05:27. > :05:29.to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

:05:30. > :05:32.has told BBC News that Britain should increase borrowing

:05:33. > :05:37.in the short-term in order to create for the ?100 billion investment by

:05:38. > :05:50.increased employment. His comments

:05:51. > :05:52.come amidst calls for unity in the party, following a divisive

:05:53. > :05:54.leadership campaign. The UK's ambassador

:05:55. > :05:56.to the United Nations has walked out of an emergency session

:05:57. > :05:58.of the Security Council, Matthew Rycroft left the meeting

:05:59. > :06:00.after accusing the governments of Syria and Russia of unleashing

:06:01. > :06:04.a "new hell" on the city of Aleppo. Activists say more than 200

:06:05. > :06:06.civilians have been killed in the rebel-held part

:06:07. > :06:10.of Aleppo in the past week. The owner of Alton Towers will be

:06:11. > :06:14.sentenced today after admitting health and safety breaches which led

:06:15. > :06:16.to the crash of the Smiler ride 18-year-old Leah Washington and

:06:17. > :06:25.20-year-old Vicky Blanch both had to have a leg amputated

:06:26. > :06:28.after the smash and three others A debate about how to prevent

:06:29. > :06:32.the extinction of African elephants is expected to dominate the world's

:06:33. > :06:34.biggest conference on species protection, which has

:06:35. > :06:36.opened in Johannesburg. Delegates from 180

:06:37. > :06:38.countries are taking part in the meeting of the Convention

:06:39. > :06:40.on the International Trade They will discuss measures

:06:41. > :06:47.to protect hundreds of types Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton

:06:48. > :06:54.will go head-to-head in the first candidates running neck

:06:55. > :06:59.and neck in the polls, their performances will be

:07:00. > :07:01.heavily scrutinised. Tens of millions of people

:07:02. > :07:06.are expected to tune in. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:07:07. > :07:09.have been meeting Syrian refugees in Vancouver

:07:10. > :07:10.as they continue their The couple went to hear what support

:07:11. > :07:15.the Canadian government is giving It's the first time the Cambridges

:07:16. > :07:24.have toured as a family of four, with both Prince George

:07:25. > :07:26.and Princess Charlotte. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:27. > :07:32.News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us

:07:33. > :07:35.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:07:36. > :07:38.and if you text, you will be charged Golf great Arnold Palmer

:07:39. > :07:41.has died overnight. Let's cross straight to the BBC

:07:42. > :07:51.Sport Centre and join John Watson. Tell us why he made such an impact

:07:52. > :07:54.on golf. I think it was as much to do with the way he played the game

:07:55. > :08:00.as it was with what he did away from the game. He was a hugely successful

:08:01. > :08:05.golfer. He won seven major titles over 60 US PGA Tour titles. Looking

:08:06. > :08:09.at these black-and-white pictures, I think it is about when he was

:08:10. > :08:12.playing the game. This was when golf was being beamed around the world in

:08:13. > :08:18.black and white TV before it moved into colour. He was at the forefront

:08:19. > :08:22.of growing the game globally. Commercially, he was very photogenic

:08:23. > :08:26.and had huge charisma, a real big personality. And that transcended

:08:27. > :08:30.the game. We talk about the word legend. Used within a sporting

:08:31. > :08:35.context, people who break out on beyond the world of sport, he

:08:36. > :08:40.certainly did that. A fascinating character, huge personality. Rory

:08:41. > :08:44.McIlroy said overnight that he didn't feel any one had left a

:08:45. > :08:48.legacy like Arnold Palmer. McIlroy is obviously one of the current

:08:49. > :08:52.generation, hugely successful himself, but interesting that even

:08:53. > :08:57.he, as one of the frontrunners of the game, appreciated what Arnold

:08:58. > :09:05.Palmer did for the game. More reaction from the golfing world?

:09:06. > :09:07.Yes. President Barack Obama tweeted a lovely picture from the White

:09:08. > :09:14.House. The former World number one and 14

:09:15. > :09:51.time major winner Tiger Woods said: I guess that shows what high regard

:09:52. > :09:55.he was held in. Hugely endearing character and much loved within the

:09:56. > :09:59.golfing community. Rory McIlroy gave his reaction to the death of Arnold

:10:00. > :10:05.Palmer after what was a very lucrative 24 hours for him. Yes,

:10:06. > :10:12.usually. He has just pocketed ?7.7 million for winning the FedExCup,

:10:13. > :10:16.which is a culmination of events. He has now topped that, and he did so

:10:17. > :10:21.by winning the tour championship last night. This was him on the

:10:22. > :10:27.16th. At this point, he was three shots off the lead. That was a legal

:10:28. > :10:31.meaning he shot back up the leaderboard and then birdied the

:10:32. > :10:36.last two holes, so that meant he went into a three-way play-off, and

:10:37. > :10:43.he won it on the fourth play-off hole. Talk about pressure. But you

:10:44. > :10:47.can see why he is so happy, ?7.7 million. He will be at the forefront

:10:48. > :10:53.of the European team heading into the Ryder Cup, which starts next

:10:54. > :11:02.week. And away from golf, a first for Manchester City. Yes, they have

:11:03. > :11:07.won their first SWM title. They won 2-0 against the Chelsea ladies,

:11:08. > :11:15.which means they cannot be caught. Goals from Katie Chapman and Toni

:11:16. > :11:20.Duggan, who scored a penalty to seal the win. That is their first WSL

:11:21. > :11:25.puddle. They are also competing in the Continental cup final next

:11:26. > :11:30.month, so more potential silverware for the Manchester City ladies.

:11:31. > :11:32.This morning, fresh and startling claims about Concentrix,

:11:33. > :11:35.the firm used by the government to cut tax credit payments.

:11:36. > :11:37.This programme can reveal that Concentrix staff have been told

:11:38. > :11:39.to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

:11:40. > :11:48.In an exclusive interview, a whistleblower told us claimants

:11:49. > :11:51."screamed" at call-centre workers after their tax credits were cut,

:11:52. > :11:56.claiming "hundreds" of households had not received advance warning

:11:57. > :12:02.credits - this is how it unfolded, this clip we're about to show

:12:03. > :12:16.This programme has exclusively learned that a 19-year-old mum

:12:17. > :12:21.had her child tax credits stopped by a private firm used by HMRC

:12:22. > :12:24.after they said she was married to a dead 74-year-old man

:12:25. > :12:30.She's one of hundreds of people claiming they have been incorrectly

:12:31. > :12:32.punished by the American firm, Concentrix, which is employed

:12:33. > :12:38.by HMRC to cut tax credit fraud and overpayment.

:12:39. > :12:41.I lost ?64 each week, and that normally obviously goes

:12:42. > :12:43.on my son, on nappies, wipes, food, gas and electric

:12:44. > :12:50.They have absolutely unfairly stopped people's benefit on a really

:12:51. > :12:55.And there are many more where those came from.

:12:56. > :12:58.As you'd expect, we asked the private American firm Concentrix

:12:59. > :13:07.Instead, they told us, "We recognise that individual tax

:13:08. > :13:09.credit claims can be difficult for all concerned.

:13:10. > :13:11.We adopt a rigorous process at every stage to ensure

:13:12. > :13:19.we manage this responsibly, in full, according to

:13:20. > :13:21.we manage this responsibly, in full accordance with

:13:22. > :13:26.I've done nothing wrong and they know that, but I'm

:13:27. > :13:29.My tax credit was cut at the beginning of August.

:13:30. > :13:35.It took me three to five hours a day for a week

:13:36. > :13:39.I've lost my child tax credit and working tax

:13:40. > :13:41.credits, which is the bulk of what I get each month.

:13:42. > :13:45.And how much are you down by as a result of what you say

:13:46. > :13:51.I've had no money for two weeks now and I've had

:13:52. > :13:56.Because of this, my housing benefit could be stopped as well,

:13:57. > :13:59.which means that my tenancy could be affected.

:14:00. > :14:05.Hours after we exclusively revealed on this programme yesterday that

:14:06. > :14:09.a US firm was accused by hundreds of you of wrongly stopping your tax

:14:10. > :14:11.credits, Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs announced they would not

:14:12. > :14:14.be renewing its contract when it runs out next year.

:14:15. > :14:19.HMRC has acted pretty decisively in this.

:14:20. > :14:24.And clearly, anyone who is dealing with people who are claiming

:14:25. > :14:31.benefits needs to be sensitive to their needs as well as

:14:32. > :14:37.Why does it take the BBC's programme, two days running,

:14:38. > :14:39.to bring ministers to this dispatch box?

:14:40. > :14:43.On Monday, a member of my staff was given the runaround

:14:44. > :14:48.Yesterday in Parliament, the issue prompted an urgent

:14:49. > :14:51.Let's talk to our reporter, Peter Whittlesea.

:14:52. > :15:09.Let's talk now to our reporter Peter Whittlesea who has more.

:15:10. > :15:13.The latest from HMRC is today, they are getting executives

:15:14. > :15:17.from Concentrix in and they will be talking to them about the issues

:15:18. > :15:19.that they need to address because they are not

:15:20. > :15:27.Many of these have talked about the problem is that

:15:28. > :15:34.They also said that this programme had highlighted what a big issue

:15:35. > :15:37.it was and how the mistakes were affecting hundreds of people.

:15:38. > :15:40.Sources close to this have told me that just before we did our report,

:15:41. > :15:44.our exclusive report, HMRC and Concentrix were close

:15:45. > :15:51.Concentrix was only told an hour before HMRC told the press

:15:52. > :15:54.that their contract was not being renewed.

:15:55. > :15:57.That is why some staff in Belfast heard that potentially their jobs

:15:58. > :16:01.could be at risk with tweets from the BBC rather

:16:02. > :16:12.Let's talk now to our reporter Peter Whittlesea who has more.

:16:13. > :16:24.You have been talking to a Concentrix employee? Yes, this

:16:25. > :16:30.person, words are spoken for him but he accuses Concentrix of failing

:16:31. > :16:34.benefits claimants. Also staff at the call centre are put under

:16:35. > :16:39.pressure after they deal with complaints, after complaint.

:16:40. > :16:47.Calls, even if you were there until eight o'clock,

:16:48. > :16:50.there were still two, 300 calls that had to be

:16:51. > :16:58.But when you were answering calls from people, you knew

:16:59. > :17:01.that they weren't married to their grandmothers

:17:02. > :17:05.or six-year-old children but what could

:17:06. > :17:15.90% of the cases, you could just tell, honest people,

:17:16. > :17:18.claiming tax credits, trying to get on with

:17:19. > :17:33.It put a lot of pressure on the staff there, so it has.

:17:34. > :17:37.And all that information, the wrong information

:17:38. > :17:44.Yes, HMRC choose which claimants they were looking to do

:17:45. > :17:51.The information was passed to Concentrix and we were just

:17:52. > :17:57.How many people do you think never received that first letter saying

:17:58. > :18:00.they had to provide information or their tax credit would be cut?

:18:01. > :18:05.In a campaign, there were 600 employees, not including managers,

:18:06. > :18:13.I personally spoke to hundreds of them.

:18:14. > :18:20.It couldn't be a coincidence, so many people calling in that

:18:21. > :18:23.you know haven't met each other, saying they had not

:18:24. > :18:29.They must have been yelling down the phone at you?

:18:30. > :18:43.No money, sitting there, people crying down the phone,

:18:44. > :18:47.saying they are down to their last nappy,

:18:48. > :18:50.last bag of wipes, no food in the fridge to feed their kids.

:18:51. > :18:54.We were dealing with people claiming that they were going

:18:55. > :19:00.You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

:19:01. > :19:03.phoned the police to go to their address to make sure

:19:04. > :19:11.Some of the people we were dealing with, the suicide calls,

:19:12. > :19:15.were not even given a back-up, were not given after-care

:19:16. > :19:17.by the after-care team for taking suicide calls.

:19:18. > :19:20.Most of the people weren't even trained in how to deal

:19:21. > :19:28.They were just told, "Oh, go out and have a smoke,

:19:29. > :19:32.come back, you will be fine, deal with another 40 or 50 calls".

:19:33. > :19:35.Just to get this clear, you had people that were suicidal

:19:36. > :19:39.on the phone to you and your managers would say, "Keep them

:19:40. > :19:43.on the phone while we phone the police and get the police

:19:44. > :19:46.round the house so they don't kill themselves"?

:19:47. > :19:50.Yes, and even in some cases, the claimant was not at the address

:19:51. > :20:00.They were in family's houses because they did not have the money

:20:01. > :20:05.to top up their phones to pay their phone bills so they had

:20:06. > :20:11.I know one incident where the police broke down the door because there

:20:12. > :20:16.was no answer at the door from the claimant but

:20:17. > :20:24.There was a period in July where we were told

:20:25. > :20:34.So you were dealing with calls from claimants, calling through,

:20:35. > :20:37.who were being told, "Oh, it will be up in a few hours,

:20:38. > :20:42.tell those claimants to call back in a few hours".

:20:43. > :20:49.The timeline was just gradually pushed along for a week.

:20:50. > :21:00.Don't take the contract if your system can't deal with it.

:21:01. > :21:07.Yeah, there is at the minute, there's cases sitting since May,

:21:08. > :21:11.information has been sent to the claimants and still hasn't

:21:12. > :21:22.It speaks for itself, the buck has been passed

:21:23. > :21:27.between HMRC and Concentrix here but the buck firmly lies

:21:28. > :21:34.Quite extraordinary claims, Peter? We showed this to Frank Field. He

:21:35. > :21:38.has many constituents who say they have had their benefits cut by

:21:39. > :21:41.Concentrix. But this is the first time he had heard what it was like

:21:42. > :21:48.to work if that call centre. The revelation, I think

:21:49. > :21:51.to the public will be that this has It is a tragedy for the actual

:21:52. > :22:07.claimants who are just Concentrix deny the whistle-blower's

:22:08. > :22:13.claim there is a backlog of complaint. Finally, the

:22:14. > :22:18.whistle-blower said the computer system was inadequate. Concentrix

:22:19. > :22:24.responded, by saying our system was not down for a whole week. Issues

:22:25. > :22:32.were beyond our control and specific to a third party and it was resolved

:22:33. > :22:37.as quickly as possible and any impact on claimants was minimised.

:22:38. > :22:42.At no time would we have set the expectation to call back within an

:22:43. > :22:48.hour. HMRC said they were not renew the contract from next May. What

:22:49. > :22:56.have HMRC had to say about the latest claims. We did ask for an

:22:57. > :23:01.interview, but they have declined. They did issue a statement. This was

:23:02. > :23:04.specifically about the whistle-blower saying the HMRC data

:23:05. > :23:08.supplied to Concentrix was inaccurate. To that, HMRC said, we

:23:09. > :23:13.provide Concentrix with cases that have flagged up as showing potential

:23:14. > :23:18.discrepancies, along with the data we hold and have received from third

:23:19. > :23:22.parties. Concentrix is responsible for doing their own internal checks

:23:23. > :23:25.to identify which of these cases they think requires further

:23:26. > :23:29.investigation. One social media group alone has had hundreds of

:23:30. > :23:33.people still claim they don't have their benefits. Therefore, this

:23:34. > :23:42.matter is still ongoing. We want people to contact us so we can get

:23:43. > :23:45.to the bottom of what is happening now.

:23:46. > :23:51.She's 36 and is a single mum with two girls, aged 11 and three.

:23:52. > :23:51.She says her child tax credits were stopped six weeks ago.

:23:52. > :23:56.Thanks for coming on the programme. React to these claims by this

:23:57. > :24:01.whistle-blower, this Concentrix employee who said they had suicidal

:24:02. > :24:09.parents on the phone and were told to keep them on the phone while the

:24:10. > :24:16.manager called the police and got them round to the address? I can

:24:17. > :24:19.understand this because I am in the same desperate situation of having

:24:20. > :24:27.my money caught with two children. Not a penny to spend on food or

:24:28. > :24:32.anything else. I can understand the desperation of people. Can I just

:24:33. > :24:36.say, it is not hundreds of people affected, it's thousands. Were you

:24:37. > :24:42.in a similar boat to those thousands when Concentrix said you were in a

:24:43. > :24:46.relationship with somebody and you weren't? I was apparently living

:24:47. > :24:52.here with two previous tenants who have not been here for two years. I

:24:53. > :24:56.never received a letter to tell me they were going to stop my tax

:24:57. > :25:02.credits. Says of the credits were just turned off and you've got what

:25:03. > :25:09.was going on? Yes, I'm not in receipt of income support so the tax

:25:10. > :25:14.credits were the only benefits I was receiving. How have you been

:25:15. > :25:18.managing for the last six weeks? Friends and family. I have exhausted

:25:19. > :25:27.all resources, I am at the level now where I have just over ?1 in my

:25:28. > :25:34.bank. Did you say you have ?1 left in your bank account? Yes. Goodness

:25:35. > :25:38.me. You have been told York tax credit payments will be reinstated,

:25:39. > :25:49.which is good news, but what is the butter? It is, there is an IT system

:25:50. > :25:54.down and I got the call last Thursday to say it is being

:25:55. > :26:00.reinstated, but I am still without payments still nothing. Have you

:26:01. > :26:09.been told when they will start paying you back? It could be up to

:26:10. > :26:17.ten more days. And in these ten days, I don't know how I am supposed

:26:18. > :26:21.to survive. I have a statement from HMRC. They say payments that have

:26:22. > :26:25.been suspended will be reinstated within four working days, if not

:26:26. > :26:32.sooner. Any money due to customers will be paid back. Some will get a

:26:33. > :26:35.lump sum, some get payments over a period of time, depending on

:26:36. > :26:47.individual circumstances. They say any customers in difficulties,

:26:48. > :26:53.contact HMRC payment line. The back payment, it is all well and good

:26:54. > :26:58.that they will pay the back payments, but on some occasions they

:26:59. > :27:05.are spreading it over the year. But we have all got ourselves into debt

:27:06. > :27:11.and I don't know how we are able to pay off the debt through these tiny

:27:12. > :27:18.little lump sums. It's all down to them, but it is really, really...

:27:19. > :27:22.Enough is enough now. I can hear the desperation in your voice. Might be

:27:23. > :27:29.worth ringing the helpline again, say you need help now! I have spent

:27:30. > :27:35.hours on the phone, I am surprised the phone is still working, I don't

:27:36. > :27:41.know how I haven't been cut off. Thank you, we will keep across this

:27:42. > :27:45.story. Do keep in touch. Catherine on Twitter says, thanks for covering

:27:46. > :27:50.this and keeping it in the public eye. But there are some people

:27:51. > :27:55.saying an overhaul of people using and abusing an overburdened benefit

:27:56. > :27:59.system needs doing. But people having no money is often the

:28:00. > :28:05.consequence of their own choices. Later in the programme we will talk

:28:06. > :28:09.more about this. After 10am with somebody else who is getting their

:28:10. > :28:15.payments reinstated, but in tiny amounts, so it's not going to help

:28:16. > :28:19.because she is in arrears. Also later, we will talk about calls to

:28:20. > :28:26.strengthen the international ban on ivory trade.

:28:27. > :28:30.Elephant populations in Africa have declined by around 111,000

:28:31. > :28:36.The main reason for that is that they've been killed for their ivory

:28:37. > :28:43.After 10:30 we'll speak to Virginia McKenna

:28:44. > :28:46.from the Born Free foundation but first let's take a look at why

:28:47. > :28:49.the plight of elephants is at the top of the agenda,

:28:50. > :28:54.and a warning that our film we're about to show contains flashing

:28:55. > :28:58.images and distressing scenes from the start.

:28:59. > :29:12.You may not want young children watching.

:29:13. > :29:16.We have been flying along this flood plain that divides

:29:17. > :29:22.All the way along here, we have been seeing carcasses of elephants,

:29:23. > :29:26.some four months old, some less than a week old.

:29:27. > :29:59.Poaching and traffic in wildlife is now a branch of

:30:00. > :30:07.The fight against it will be won by alliances

:30:08. > :31:03.If this current rate continues, within nine years, Africa could be

:31:04. > :31:05.left with half of the current estimate of African elements.

:31:06. > :31:07.Materialistic greed cannot be allowed to win against our moral

:31:08. > :31:09.duty to protect threatened species and vulnerable communities.

:31:10. > :31:43.Do get in touch with your views throughout the programme.

:31:44. > :31:50.We will speak to Virginia McKenna later from the born free foundation.

:31:51. > :31:52.We've got a studio full of Labour supporters and viewers passionate

:31:53. > :31:54.about politics to talk about Jeremy Corbyn's big win

:31:55. > :31:57.at the weekend and where this leaves the Labour Party

:31:58. > :32:01.We'll be getting reaction in just a few minutes' time.

:32:02. > :32:03.Five-time Olympic Champion Bradley Wiggins defends taking steroid

:32:04. > :32:05.injections for his asthma, saying it didn't enhance

:32:06. > :32:10.but does he still have questions to answer?

:32:11. > :32:17.Let's get the summary now from the BBC Newsroom.

:32:18. > :32:20.New and startling claims have emerged this morning

:32:21. > :32:22.about Concentrix - the firm used by the government

:32:23. > :32:28.This programme can reveal the firm have been told to keep "suicidal"

:32:29. > :32:31.claimants on the phone until police arrive at their homes.

:32:32. > :32:34.A whistleblower has told us they received hundreds of calls

:32:35. > :32:38.from distressed people who had not received advance warning

:32:39. > :32:41.with some people screaming at call centre workers.

:32:42. > :32:48.Concentrix say their staff follow the guidelines.

:32:49. > :32:51.Excavation work will begin on the Greek island of Kos today,

:32:52. > :32:53.as part of the search for the British toddler Ben Needham

:32:54. > :32:57.Police say new information suggests he could have been

:32:58. > :33:01.Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been told to "prepare for the worst"

:33:02. > :33:07.Theresa May's supporters have hit back at claims she was branded

:33:08. > :33:14."lily-livered" by former PM David Cameron after urging him

:33:15. > :33:16.to take a softer line on immigration during EU negotiations

:33:17. > :33:20.Sources close to Mrs May say she wrote to Mr Cameron making

:33:21. > :33:23.the case for what was described as an "emergency brake" to curb

:33:24. > :33:28.the number of people coming to the UK from the rest of Europe.

:33:29. > :33:30.The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has told BBC News that Britain

:33:31. > :33:37.should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

:33:38. > :33:46.a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

:33:47. > :33:47.for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

:33:48. > :33:50.His comments come amidst calls for unity

:33:51. > :33:52.in the party, following a divisive leadership campaign.

:33:53. > :33:54.And Victoria will have more on that in a moment

:33:55. > :33:58.The French President Francois Hollande has used a visit to Calais

:33:59. > :34:01.to call for the migrant camp there, known as "The Jungle",

:34:02. > :34:05.He intends to close the sprawling camp and move migrants to reception

:34:06. > :34:08.Many of the thousands of migrants are trying to cross

:34:09. > :34:13.Mr Hollande said Britain had to play its part

:34:14. > :34:17.The UK's ambassador to the United Nations has walked out

:34:18. > :34:20.of an emergency session of the Security Council,

:34:21. > :34:23.Matthew Rycroft left the meeting after accusing the governments

:34:24. > :34:26.of Syria and Russia of unleashing a "new hell" on the city of Aleppo.

:34:27. > :34:28.Activists say more than 200 civilians have been killed

:34:29. > :34:33.in the rebel-held part of Aleppo in the past week.

:34:34. > :34:38.The owner of Alton Towers will be sentenced today after admitting

:34:39. > :34:41.health and safety breaches which led to the crash of the Smiler ride

:34:42. > :34:45.18-year-old Leah Washington and 20-year-old Vicky Blanch both had

:34:46. > :34:48.to have a leg amputated after the smash and three others

:34:49. > :35:07.Tributes are pouring in for the golfer Arnold Palmer, who has died

:35:08. > :35:11.at the age of 87. The American won seven golf majors but will be

:35:12. > :35:15.remembered not only for his golfing genius, but his huge personality,

:35:16. > :35:21.which helped to grow the game during the 50s and 60s. Rory McIlroy won

:35:22. > :35:26.the FedExCup overnight. The PGA's season long points race. He came

:35:27. > :35:32.from three shots behind to win the tournament and in doing so pocket a

:35:33. > :35:35.cool ?7.7 million. Manchester City's women won their

:35:36. > :35:39.first Super League title after beating Chelsea ladies 2-0. They

:35:40. > :35:43.have now gone the whole season unbeaten and have the chance for

:35:44. > :35:47.more silverware in the cup final next month.

:35:48. > :35:51.And 16 Taione Vea world champion Phil power won the first PDC

:35:52. > :35:55.Champions League starts in Cardiff, beating world number one Michael van

:35:56. > :36:01.Gerwen in the final. That is all the sport. More a bit later.

:36:02. > :36:06.Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has told this programme

:36:07. > :36:10.that everyone who resigned from Jeremy Corbyn's top team is welcome

:36:11. > :36:22.back. Tell us more, Norman Smith. Yes, I had a cup of tea with John

:36:23. > :36:26.McDonnell earlier today. We talk a lot about stuff which probably just

:36:27. > :36:30.sounds like a political gobbledygook to most people, mumbo jumbo. We talk

:36:31. > :36:34.about the national executive committee. We took about the

:36:35. > :36:38.selections and rule changes. This morning, I wanted to sit down with

:36:39. > :36:43.Mr McDonnell and get him to explain in easy-peasy language what it was

:36:44. > :36:46.about Jeremy Corbyn that seemed to be changing the Labour Party and

:36:47. > :36:49.attracting those huge crowds, to explain in simple terms what Jeremy

:36:50. > :36:54.Corbyn was about. I think people got fed up

:36:55. > :36:56.of politicians who just said And Jeremy Corbyn came

:36:57. > :36:59.along and said, look, At least I'm being

:37:00. > :37:03.straight with you. A lot of people are attracted

:37:04. > :37:08.to that sort of honesty. With Jeremy, what you

:37:09. > :37:13.see is what you get. But is that kind

:37:14. > :37:15.of an anti-politics? It is a bit, because people

:37:16. > :37:17.turned off by politics You got to the stage

:37:18. > :37:21.where you couldn't believe a word That wasn't true, but people

:37:22. > :37:24.had that impression. Jeremy brings that sort

:37:25. > :37:29.of confidence and trust, and we've lost that

:37:30. > :37:31.for a period of time. You will have heard the criticism

:37:32. > :37:34.that it is basically a personality He gets these huge rallies,

:37:35. > :37:40.but it is all focused around him rather than about

:37:41. > :37:44.a policy for government. There are huge rallies,

:37:45. > :37:47.but most of those rallies are taken up by people getting up

:37:48. > :37:49.from the floor and saying, I have got this problem,

:37:50. > :37:54.and I think this is the solution. So there's a sort of

:37:55. > :37:56.reinvention of politics. For a long time, we have had

:37:57. > :37:58.politicians talking down to us What Jeremy has done is unleashed

:37:59. > :38:03.all these ideas Say I have a problem with housing,

:38:04. > :38:12.how do we sort it out? Well, we used to have rent

:38:13. > :38:20.controls in this country. Those solutions are coming

:38:21. > :38:22.from people themselves. Is it fair to say that basically,

:38:23. > :38:25.Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist and he wants a socialist

:38:26. > :38:27.style of government, with much greater state control

:38:28. > :38:34.and state intervention? Sometimes they use that as a dirty

:38:35. > :38:42.word and we have What we are saying socialism

:38:43. > :38:51.for us is is a society that is radically fairer,

:38:52. > :38:53.where people and corporations So it is more democratic

:38:54. > :38:57.and people have more of a say, We are living in a society now more

:38:58. > :39:02.unequal than any we have seen in generations,

:39:03. > :39:04.but it has to be based We want that economy

:39:05. > :39:07.to be more sustainable. Environmentally sustainable,

:39:08. > :39:16.because of climate change. And also, the prosperity has to be

:39:17. > :39:19.shared by all of us, People have different

:39:20. > :39:23.versions of socialism. The idea that it is all

:39:24. > :39:25.the state has gone. You said at the beginning that

:39:26. > :39:28.you are a socialist We're having a cup of tea

:39:29. > :39:33.here because you are trying to woo Labour MPs by taking them out

:39:34. > :39:35.for cups of tea. If you had to choose

:39:36. > :39:38.between having a cup of tea with the following,

:39:39. > :39:39.who would you pick? Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Vladimir

:39:40. > :39:45.Ilyich Lenin, or Josef Stalin. Who would you have a cup

:39:46. > :39:47.of tea with? I meet with a group of economists

:39:48. > :39:59.who give me advice on their systems, I'll give people a name, it is a guy

:40:00. > :40:08.called Joe Stiglitz. He says we need to rewrite

:40:09. > :40:15.the rules of our economy, and I think if you start reading

:40:16. > :40:18.some of his work along He probably drinks coffee,

:40:19. > :40:34.given that he is American. He dodged the cup of tea question.

:40:35. > :40:36.But it is interesting having that sort of conversation with John

:40:37. > :40:39.McDonnell because in many ways, he is viewed as the power behind the

:40:40. > :40:44.throne, the brains behind Jeremy Corbyn, the man pulling it all

:40:45. > :40:47.together. What I take from that is that team Corbyn genuinely believe

:40:48. > :40:53.we are in a different type of politics. Everything has changed and

:40:54. > :40:56.the old rules no longer apply. People want something entirely

:40:57. > :41:01.different. But that is a massive gamble, because the view of his

:41:02. > :41:05.opponents is that actually, life is carrying on pretty much as usual and

:41:06. > :41:09.it is fine and dandy getting these massive rallies, but it doesn't

:41:10. > :41:13.reach out to the electorate. So this is high wire politics. If Team

:41:14. > :41:18.Corbyn are right, we will all have to rethink how we do politics. If

:41:19. > :41:22.they are wrong, the danger is that they are leading the Labour Party of

:41:23. > :41:30.a precipice. Thank you, and Norman. Steve says

:41:31. > :41:34.Jeremy Corbyn should be supported. Another viewer says that is the

:41:35. > :41:40.Labour Party consigned to the dustbin.

:41:41. > :41:42.I declare Jeremy Corbyn elected as leader of the Labour Party.

:41:43. > :41:48.Please, Jeremy, welcome onto the stage.

:41:49. > :41:51.I am honoured to have won the votes of a majority of members,

:41:52. > :41:55.affiliated supporters and registered supporters,

:41:56. > :42:01.who have given me the second mandate in a year to lead our party.

:42:02. > :42:06.They threw everything except the kitchen sink at Jeremy

:42:07. > :42:11.and he still increased his share of the vote.

:42:12. > :42:14.The membership came out for Jeremy because they realised he had not

:42:15. > :42:18.been given the chance and he hadn't been treated fairly.

:42:19. > :42:20.What we want now is unity and stability.

:42:21. > :42:22.So Labour MPs who have been critical, who have been

:42:23. > :42:24.opponents of Mr Corbyn, have nothing to worry about?

:42:25. > :42:27.Not at all, we have said that time and time again.

:42:28. > :42:47.Now you know that the mandate is won... This has distracted us for

:42:48. > :42:50.three months when we should have been a strong opposition. There was

:42:51. > :42:56.no difference between the parties. Now there is a real difference. The

:42:57. > :42:59.problem with that thesis is that it goes on to totally dismiss Tony

:43:00. > :43:04.Blair as the absolute epitome of all that was wrong with Labour. We are

:43:05. > :43:10.talking about what happens to people now. Where I am from in Twickenham,

:43:11. > :43:14.we have food banks. Why have we got food banks? But do you think Jeremy

:43:15. > :43:18.Corbyn being leader of the Labour Party makes a Labour government more

:43:19. > :43:24.or less likely? Absolutely more likely. Let us work together for

:43:25. > :43:27.real change in Britain. Thank you very much.

:43:28. > :43:31.With us now, an audience of labour voters, members and supporters

:43:32. > :43:44.What are you thinking now that Mr Corbyn has been re-elected? I think

:43:45. > :43:47.that now it is time for the Labour Party to be the real opposition it

:43:48. > :43:52.ought to have been in the first place. In the past couple of months,

:43:53. > :43:56.we have seen a 300% rise in Islamophobia hate crime. It is now

:43:57. > :44:00.time for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party to unite and fight what

:44:01. > :44:04.is happening in society and fight the vile atmosphere that exists

:44:05. > :44:09.today. I am Tony, from a construction background. Are you a

:44:10. > :44:13.Labour voter? I class myself as an old Labour voter. I abandoned them

:44:14. > :44:18.when they abandoned me under Tony Blair. Who did you vote for at the

:44:19. > :44:23.last election? Sun I voted Ukip because I wanted a referendum. Now

:44:24. > :44:26.we have had that, I am looking for somebody to vote for.

:44:27. > :44:30.So what does Labour have to do to bring you back into the fold? It has

:44:31. > :44:36.got to unite. There is a lot of confusion at the moment. He has won

:44:37. > :44:40.two leadership contests now, so he has won the right to take us into a

:44:41. > :44:46.general election. I would vote Labour if Jeremy Corbyn is there.

:44:47. > :44:51.There is a lady shaking her head. My name is limp and I am retired. I

:44:52. > :44:55.voted Labour for 50 years, but since Jeremy Corbyn has been there, no. He

:44:56. > :44:59.frightens me about what he did do with the Labour Party. He talks

:45:00. > :45:04.about uniting, but he will not listen to the people. He says he

:45:05. > :45:10.will, but there are 170 MPs out there that voted no confidence in

:45:11. > :45:16.him. They must know more, so why did they walk out? You are shaking your

:45:17. > :45:20.head. I am the chair of a local Labour Party branch. I have been

:45:21. > :45:24.there since before 2015. I understand what you are saying, but

:45:25. > :45:28.at the end of the day, there is a huge number of members from before

:45:29. > :45:33.2015, new members and a wider group who have backed Corbyn twice now. It

:45:34. > :45:40.is an opportunity for people to get the MPs on board. They have a lot of

:45:41. > :45:43.skills to offer. The constituency Labour parties have backed Corbyn.

:45:44. > :45:44.Now is a chance for all of the MPs to back the constituencies and

:45:45. > :45:59.follow the mandate. My name is Paul. Are you a Labour

:46:00. > :46:06.voter? I want to be a Labour supporter and I want to like Jeremy

:46:07. > :46:12.Corbyn. It means campaigning is brilliance, it is back on the front

:46:13. > :46:22.pages. But what I don't see is leadership. Instead, I see a dirty

:46:23. > :46:29.smog of insults and humiliation. Do you think that is consigned to

:46:30. > :46:33.history? Absolutely not. Jeremy Corbyn made it clear on Saturday,

:46:34. > :46:41.wipe the slate clean, it doesn't matter what you said in the past.

:46:42. > :46:46.But you don't believe him? We have John McDonnell using the word lynch

:46:47. > :46:50.when referencing an opponent. It is extremely insulting and knowing all

:46:51. > :46:56.about what the word means and the impact the word would have, this is

:46:57. > :47:03.an intelligent man and he is supposed to be taking us forward. I

:47:04. > :47:08.am Mandy, a student from London. I know where you're coming from, I am

:47:09. > :47:15.a Labour Party member, but I backed Owen Smith this year. I went to a

:47:16. > :47:20.hustings and experienced abuse myself. The sat next to me was

:47:21. > :47:26.shouting at me because I tried to listen to Owen Smith and accuse me

:47:27. > :47:30.of being a Blairite and I supported Iraq. I do respect Jeremy now has

:47:31. > :47:35.the second democratic mandate, but uniting as a party is much easier

:47:36. > :47:41.said than done. We need to respect the MPs who have had their own

:47:42. > :47:49.democratic mandate from their constituents. , I am a bit older

:47:50. > :47:56.from you, I come from old Labour and someone like Owen Smith, he will

:47:57. > :48:02.just carry on like Tony Blair. I am one of those people who feels like

:48:03. > :48:09.they don't have a voice in today's politics. I feel Jeremy Corbin might

:48:10. > :48:14.speak up for the likes of me. I am a Labour Party member for seven years.

:48:15. > :48:22.I used to work for the Labour Party on the general election in 2015 in

:48:23. > :48:30.two key seats. I have done my time at the doors, spoke to thousands of

:48:31. > :48:34.people. I can tell you, these people are not looking for a political

:48:35. > :48:39.revolution, it is very important... Are you talking about his policies,

:48:40. > :48:44.they are not popular? Or this idea of building a social movements? He

:48:45. > :48:49.didn't join in in singing the national anthem, what is it? It is

:48:50. > :48:56.things like that. People these days don't want a big revolution, they

:48:57. > :49:01.want their kids to go to a nice cool, good housing and a job. Simple

:49:02. > :49:08.things. Isn't Jeremy Corbyn saying those simple things? It is not just

:49:09. > :49:14.about his polities, it is his lack of leadership. If you have 80% of

:49:15. > :49:20.your own MPs that don't support you, for any leader of a party, would

:49:21. > :49:28.have been a wake-up call and they would have to go. Don't know what

:49:29. > :49:33.else he has to do to show he's popular? It is the members, why

:49:34. > :49:38.don't we look towards the electorate. That is what matters to

:49:39. > :49:42.a political party that aims to get power. They have forgotten that and

:49:43. > :49:48.they are looking very inwards. I am David, I have been a Labour Party

:49:49. > :49:53.member since 2010. The talk about Jeremy Corbyn's policies, but he has

:49:54. > :50:00.nothing to say on Brexiter and about as needing to build more homes. We

:50:01. > :50:07.need to build more homes, we need to build 250,000 homes a year. You will

:50:08. > :50:13.build them, how will we build them. You want some detail? , Yes. I am a

:50:14. > :50:22.supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. All of his opponents, the only way we will

:50:23. > :50:29.win the general election, which needs to be the focus, is if you

:50:30. > :50:35.find an alternative candidate who is more compelling to the electorate.

:50:36. > :50:39.There is no point, if you don't have a better alternative. They thought

:50:40. > :50:45.Owen Smith was a better alternative. , These people, it seems to me the

:50:46. > :50:50.Labour MPs who are saying Jeremy Corbyn cannot win a general election

:50:51. > :50:54.are the same one that said Ed Miliband would. He should have the

:50:55. > :51:01.chance, they have got it wrong before. I said Ed Miliband wouldn't

:51:02. > :51:07.win, he didn't have the strength. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back

:51:08. > :51:14.to the old days of the union striking, do as I say, don't do as I

:51:15. > :51:21.do. Hilary Benn, he disagreed with him, now he's out. I spoke to John

:51:22. > :51:26.McDonnell who said Hilary Benn would be welcome back to the Shadow

:51:27. > :51:32.Cabinet. Why was he sucked in the first place. I have now defected to

:51:33. > :51:37.Ukip in the last election. What I don't like about Jeremy Corbyn at

:51:38. > :51:42.the moment, is the level of borrowing he is proposing. We need

:51:43. > :51:50.to get high-tech industry selling abroad to get foreign investment.

:51:51. > :51:59.What worries me is if he also gets rid of Tridents. We don't want a

:52:00. > :52:04.nuclear bomb, that is true, but we need the workers and industry from

:52:05. > :52:09.BAE Systems, we need Rolls-Royce, we need those companies to be

:52:10. > :52:16.supported. It would demolish them. For you it is his policies that will

:52:17. > :52:22.not take him forward? Yes, it is, but it is all very well the party

:52:23. > :52:26.members have voted for Jeremy, but we need the wider electorate to vote

:52:27. > :52:30.for him. It is interesting you supported a party late Ukip who

:52:31. > :52:34.wanted to leave the European Union and then talk about investing in

:52:35. > :52:38.Britain. Looking less attractive to invest in now than we were before.

:52:39. > :52:45.It is interesting people's thoughts are not panning out on the ground. A

:52:46. > :52:51.lot of policies will be clarified in the Labour manifesto. We know what

:52:52. > :52:56.some of the policies will be, we know it will be more housing. We

:52:57. > :53:00.don't know about Trident yet, we know it will be borrowing to invest

:53:01. > :53:04.in infrastructure, broadband, roads and housing. It is whether it will

:53:05. > :53:12.be enough to attract conservative voters or Ukip voters. I am the

:53:13. > :53:18.owner, I was a Labour member in the 80s and became disaffected with the

:53:19. > :53:22.parties. I am back now, I have been back before the Jeremy Corbyn

:53:23. > :53:27.element came back in. I am a passionate Jeremy Corbyn supporter.

:53:28. > :53:33.I have heard him speak on a number of occasions. One of the things

:53:34. > :53:40.missing is people are not listening to what he is saying. They have a

:53:41. > :53:46.preconceived idea they have got from the media. Lots of sound bites. They

:53:47. > :53:52.talk about him being a weak leader. What do you think will win over the

:53:53. > :53:55.wider electorate? He has no problem in recruiting members, but the

:53:56. > :53:58.electorate is trickier. He is appealing, social media has played a

:53:59. > :54:05.massive part in Jeremy's surge forward. I am part of a lot of

:54:06. > :54:09.social media groups now. People like me, who are over 50, who felt

:54:10. > :54:14.marginalised and disaffected, especially over 50 women. I was just

:54:15. > :54:18.going to say, I felt the same, disillusioned. We are a group of

:54:19. > :54:24.people who are marginalised and now we feel inspired to go forward

:54:25. > :54:32.because of Jeremy. Derek is in Blyth in Northumberland. Welcome to the

:54:33. > :54:37.programme. Tell the audience, many Labour members and voters, some of

:54:38. > :54:44.whom used to be Labour voters, how you feel now? I don't think Labour

:54:45. > :54:49.have a viable leader. I don't think either of the candidates were

:54:50. > :54:56.appropriate. Jeremy Corbyn, I think is a dangerous little man. I think

:54:57. > :55:01.he will lead the Labour Party to oblivion. He doesn't seem to care

:55:02. > :55:07.about that. Are you a member, Derek? I joined about two months ago. I

:55:08. > :55:15.would have voted for Owen Smith until I had to pay ?25 for the

:55:16. > :55:21.privilege to do so. But having said that, he was the lesser of two

:55:22. > :55:27.evils, in my opinion. Will you continue being a Labour member? No,

:55:28. > :55:31.I phoned up this morning to try to cancel my membership, but they are

:55:32. > :55:38.not taking any calls today. Some people over here. It is important to

:55:39. > :55:41.remember we have the biggest party in Europe, over half a million

:55:42. > :55:46.members, that is the strength. Whether you like Jeremy Corbyn or

:55:47. > :55:52.not, the point is we can mobilise and go out and talk to people about

:55:53. > :55:58.our policies. It is about having affordable homes you don't feel like

:55:59. > :56:05.you will be turfed out of the next day, which is my case. I live in

:56:06. > :56:10.rented accommodation, I cannot tell my daughter whether we will be

:56:11. > :56:15.living there next month, next year. If we get to talk to ordinary

:56:16. > :56:18.people, they say our ideas are exciting. You are a Conservative

:56:19. > :56:24.voter, thanks for coming on. From what this lady is saying and others,

:56:25. > :56:31.are there policies that that would attract you to move over? I have

:56:32. > :56:37.voted Conservative all my life. But you acknowledge conservative voters

:56:38. > :56:44.will have to be persuaded to vote Labour? Those are the pivotal voters

:56:45. > :56:51.that give you a election is. The issue I have with the whole thing

:56:52. > :56:58.is, we are going back. I joined politics 47 years ago when I was a

:56:59. > :57:02.student. The sort of things we're hearing from Jeremy Corbyn now is

:57:03. > :57:06.what we were hearing from the socialist in 1972. Nothing has

:57:07. > :57:10.changed. Aoyama student and I have been a Labour member for over a

:57:11. > :57:15.year. I agree, having a big membership is fantastic, the Labour

:57:16. > :57:22.Party that one the last election only had a membership of 150,000.

:57:23. > :57:28.Lotsa people were willing to do social media and activism. There was

:57:29. > :57:33.a small proportion of new members who are willing to go out on the

:57:34. > :57:36.streets, doorstepping and leafleting. The gentleman down here,

:57:37. > :57:43.hello. , I am Brian, a floating voter. I am pleased Jeremy Corbyn

:57:44. > :57:50.got elected. Talking about being 15 points behind in the polls. He

:57:51. > :57:55.hasn't had a chance to go out and sell his policies. We have Jeremy

:57:56. > :58:03.Corbyn, a principled man, changing face in UK politics. The lady over

:58:04. > :58:08.there said, we are fed up of being dictated to by business, whatever it

:58:09. > :58:17.might be. I think he is a principled man and you have to go and sell your

:58:18. > :58:22.policies. Are you going to give him a chance, he needs the chance to

:58:23. > :58:28.sell those policies before the next election. It cuts both ways. He did

:58:29. > :58:36.an interview, and a supporter said it is not my job to point out the

:58:37. > :58:44.government is in MS, it is Jeremy Corbyn's job. He's not a leader, he

:58:45. > :58:51.could be wiping the floor with the Tories over Brexit. He has never

:58:52. > :58:58.mentioned it. On the 24th of June, Labour MPs were directly attacking

:58:59. > :59:04.Jeremy Corbyn. On the issue of policy, in the first conference

:59:05. > :59:09.after electing a leader, we should be discussing policy, make a

:59:10. > :59:14.manifesto to sell to the public. We should be discussing Brexit. But

:59:15. > :59:21.delegates at the Labour conference voted not to discuss Brexit. It is

:59:22. > :59:26.important Labour finds credible opposition because they must hold

:59:27. > :59:30.the government to account. His rhetoric, he talks about Labour

:59:31. > :59:34.policies and everything, but you actually need to hold the government

:59:35. > :59:45.to account, provide alternative policies. Your final thoughts. I am

:59:46. > :59:53.an X nurse and I am in support of the Labour Party. I think Jeremy is

:59:54. > :59:58.the best man to do it, because he has a long and credible history in

:59:59. > :00:01.supporting issues like human rights, international relations and the

:00:02. > :00:06.welfare of the British people. The common people. News just in from the

:00:07. > :00:13.conference at Liverpool. Labour have announced it will ban fracking if it

:00:14. > :00:20.wins the next general election. Good idea? We're not going to win, so it

:00:21. > :00:23.doesn't matter. And that we will leave it.

:00:24. > :00:29.Coming up: How to stop the dramatic decline in African elephants?

:00:30. > :00:34.Plans to strengthen the international ban on ivory trade

:00:35. > :00:34.are being discussed today in a bid to stop the poaching.

:00:35. > :00:39.On Twitter, this man says the slaughter of elephants for nothing

:00:40. > :00:45.more than greed is heartbreaking. China and Vietnam need to be more

:00:46. > :00:50.accountable. Someone else says, this sad and cruel slaughter in the name

:00:51. > :00:54.of profit, is what happens in the name of financial or political power

:00:55. > :01:01.throughout the world. We must stop this growing destruction of life.

:01:02. > :01:08.Good morning, well a lovely sunrise this morning. This shot from

:01:09. > :01:13.Weston-super-Mare in the past half an hour, more typical of Wales and

:01:14. > :01:17.Western England. Heavy rain and strengthening rain and it will feel

:01:18. > :01:22.cool here. Further east across England, the morning brightness

:01:23. > :01:26.giving way to cloud and one or two showers. It turns wetter across

:01:27. > :01:29.Central Scotland. After a cold start, it will be a sunny afternoon.

:01:30. > :01:33.Just one or two showers for the Highlands and islands. Temperatures

:01:34. > :01:37.generally in the mid to high teens. As we go through this evening and

:01:38. > :01:40.overnight, we lose a lot of the wLet initially, but then there is more

:01:41. > :01:44.which comes in from the west and with this, increasing amounts of low

:01:45. > :01:47.cloud and it turns misty and murky around the coasts and the hills, but

:01:48. > :01:52.it is the southerly wind that accompanies it. Temperatures holding

:01:53. > :01:57.in double figures. It makes for a grey and gloomy start to Tuesday

:01:58. > :02:01.morning. There will be rain and drizzle. The low cloud becoming

:02:02. > :02:08.confined to eastern parts of England. Elsewhere, after the gloomy

:02:09. > :02:11.start, things brighten up nicely, but the winds will strengthen,

:02:12. > :02:13.touching gale force and there is another bout of strong winds to come

:02:14. > :02:19.on Wednesday afternoon too. Take care.

:02:20. > :02:22.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:02:23. > :02:26.Also today, this programme has been told that a US firm used

:02:27. > :02:28.by the Government to cut tax credit payments received calls

:02:29. > :02:33.People crying down the phone saying that they'r down

:02:34. > :02:35.People crying down the phone saying that they're down

:02:36. > :02:37.to their last nappy, their last bag of wipes,

:02:38. > :02:40.have no food in the fridge to feed their kids.

:02:41. > :02:42.We were dealing with people claiming that they were

:02:43. > :02:46.You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

:02:47. > :02:49.phones the police to go to their address to

:02:50. > :02:56.Concentrix say their staff follow the guidelines.

:02:57. > :02:59.And you can watch that interview back on our programme page

:03:00. > :03:02.Britain's most decorated Olympian Sir Bradley Wiggins says

:03:03. > :03:05.he was allowed to take banned steroid injections because of his

:03:06. > :03:11.asthma and that it didn't enhance his performance.

:03:12. > :03:20.This was about trying to find a way to gain an unfair advantage. This

:03:21. > :03:22.was about putting myself back on a level playing field in order to

:03:23. > :03:24.compete at the highest level. We'll be speaking to fellow cyclists

:03:25. > :03:28.and one of his good friends in a few minutes time and asking them

:03:29. > :03:31.if he still has questions to answer. And plans to strengthen

:03:32. > :03:33.the international ban on ivory trade are being discussed today in a bid

:03:34. > :03:36.to stop the slaughter If this current rate continues,

:03:37. > :03:39.within nine years Africa could be left with half of the current

:03:40. > :03:43.estimate of African elephants. 100 million people will be tuning

:03:44. > :03:47.in to the first US Presidential debate tonight to watch Donald Trump

:03:48. > :03:51.and Hillary Clinton go head-to-head. I will not make age

:03:52. > :04:00.an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit

:04:01. > :04:03.for political purposes my opponent's Let's get the summary now

:04:04. > :04:21.from the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

:04:22. > :04:27.emerged this morning about Concentrix, the firm

:04:28. > :04:29.used by the Government This programme can reveal the firm

:04:30. > :04:33.have been told to keep 'suicidal' claimants on the phone until police

:04:34. > :04:36.arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

:04:37. > :04:38.they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

:04:39. > :04:40.received advance warning that their payments would end

:04:41. > :04:42.with some people screaming Concentrix say their staff

:04:43. > :04:48.follow the guidelines. Excavation work will begin

:04:49. > :04:50.on the Greek island of Kos today, as part of the search

:04:51. > :04:53.for the British toddler Ben Needham Police say new information

:04:54. > :04:56.suggests he could have been Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been

:04:57. > :05:00.told to "prepare for the worst" There was a team here

:05:01. > :05:07.in 2012 doing a search of an area of land just over

:05:08. > :05:10.to my right, over there. That was based on the information

:05:11. > :05:13.that was known at that time. A very thorough and intricate

:05:14. > :05:15.search took place. A number of items were found

:05:16. > :05:18.during that search which now bear significance having had opportunity

:05:19. > :05:20.to do the investigate that we've As a result of that,

:05:21. > :05:24.and the new information which came to light in May, that is why

:05:25. > :05:27.the decision has been made to search the area of land

:05:28. > :05:34.that we are now doing. Theresa May's supporters have hit

:05:35. > :05:46.back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former

:05:47. > :05:47.Prime Minister David Cameron after urging him

:05:48. > :05:50.to take a softer line on immigration during EU negotiations,

:05:51. > :05:52.before June's referendum. Sources close to Mrs May say

:05:53. > :05:54.she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

:05:55. > :05:57.as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

:05:58. > :06:01.to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor,

:06:02. > :06:03.John McDonnell, has told BBC News that Britain

:06:04. > :06:07.should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

:06:08. > :06:09.a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

:06:10. > :06:12.for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

:06:13. > :06:13.from increased employment. His comments come amidst calls

:06:14. > :06:16.for unity in the party, following a divisive

:06:17. > :06:29.leadership campaign. There is a re-invention of

:06:30. > :06:32.politicsment for a long period of time, we have had politicians

:06:33. > :06:37.talking down to us and politics coming from above and solutions

:06:38. > :06:41.coming from above. What Jeremy has done, he has unleashed all these

:06:42. > :06:45.ideas coming from just ordinary people saying, "I've got a problem

:06:46. > :06:50.with housing. How do we sort it out?" Well, we build council house.

:06:51. > :06:55.My rent is too high. They used to have rent controls. Those solutions

:06:56. > :07:00.are coming from the people themselves.

:07:01. > :07:02.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:07:03. > :07:13.Tony said, "I support Jeremy Corbyn. Like me, he is a socialist." This

:07:14. > :07:20.texter says, "I will never vote for Labour as long as Jeremy Corbyn is

:07:21. > :07:24.leader and Momentum should be classed as a terrorist movement with

:07:25. > :07:29.all the threats and death threats and deselection of Labour MPs." Next

:07:30. > :07:36.text this is, "Lesser men than Mr Corbyn would have walked away with

:07:37. > :07:46.all the abuse he has received from the right-wing media."

:07:47. > :07:55.Tributes are being paid for one of golf's first

:07:56. > :07:56.sporting superstars, Arnold Palmer who has

:07:57. > :08:01.His golfing genius saw him win seven major titles but he will also be

:08:02. > :08:03.remembered for his huge personality, the photogenic golfer bursting out

:08:04. > :08:06.of black and white television sets in the late fifities and sixties,

:08:07. > :08:08.popularizing the game around the globe.

:08:09. > :08:11.He grew the sport commercially too, a real trailblazer on and off

:08:12. > :08:13.the course, the sport's first big superstar of the television age.

:08:14. > :08:17.President Barack Obama tweeted a great picture of the pair of them

:08:18. > :08:28.He said, "Here's to The King who was as extraordinary on the links

:08:29. > :08:36.The former World number one and 14 time major winner Tiger Woods said,

:08:37. > :08:38."Thanks Arnold for your friendship, counsel and a lot of laughs.

:08:39. > :08:40.Your philantrophy and humility are part of your legend.

:08:41. > :08:43.It's hard to imagine golf without you or anyone more important

:08:44. > :08:48.Will miss that vice handshake and glint in your eye

:08:49. > :09:00.Meanwhile one of the sport's current superstars Rory McIlroy,

:09:01. > :09:10.He did so much for golf when golf needed him. He brought golf to the

:09:11. > :09:16.masses. He leaves a legacy that no one else in any sport can leave. I

:09:17. > :09:19.think he left the biggest legacy of any sports star over the past

:09:20. > :09:23.century and what he has done for us, for the game of golf, for charity,

:09:24. > :09:27.he was such a generous man, so charismatic. Everyone loved him. And

:09:28. > :09:32.I was lucky enough to spend sometime with him and you know, those are

:09:33. > :09:36.memories I'll have for the rest of my life.

:09:37. > :09:38.McIlroy was speaking after winning the PGA

:09:39. > :09:41.Tour Championship in Atlanta for the first time in his career.

:09:42. > :09:44.The win means he also takes home the lucrative FedEx Cup.

:09:45. > :09:47.The world number three has been in fine form with the Ryder Cup

:09:48. > :09:51.This eagle on the 16th helped him force a play-off

:09:52. > :09:53.with American Ryan Moore and McIlroy held his nerve to win

:09:54. > :09:57.Manchester City Women have won the Women's Super League

:09:58. > :10:02.Unbeaten City needed to avoid defeat against defending champions Chelsea.

:10:03. > :10:06.A 2-0 win sealed the title with one game to spare.

:10:07. > :10:08.They can do the domestic double too when they face Birmingham

:10:09. > :10:14.in the Continental Cup final on Sunday.

:10:15. > :10:21.There is some girls that haven't played as much as they want to.

:10:22. > :10:25.People have started every single game. They are such a good bunch and

:10:26. > :10:29.they want us to be successful and that's part of having a winning team

:10:30. > :10:33.is that everyone is on the same page and wanting to win trophies.

:10:34. > :10:37.That's the sport for now. Thank you very much.

:10:38. > :10:39.The owner of Alton Towers, Merlin, will be sentenced today

:10:40. > :10:42.after admitting health and safety breaches which led to the crash of

:10:43. > :10:56.18-year-old Leah Washington and 20-year-old Vicky Balch both

:10:57. > :10:59.had to have a leg amputated after the smash and three others

:11:00. > :11:03.Vicky Balch told us about the impact of the crash in an exclusive

:11:04. > :11:08.I was, I had my friends there and I just slept.

:11:09. > :11:11.I didn't, I couldn't really sleep to them or do anything.

:11:12. > :11:13.And then obviously you realise that something wasn't right and told

:11:14. > :11:16.the surgeon and they said if there is sign of infection

:11:17. > :11:19.would you sign for me to amputate and I said yes, because I couldn't

:11:20. > :11:24.I had gone back to having people, like I had to sit down and someone

:11:25. > :11:27.had to hold my leg and someone else had to wheel me.

:11:28. > :11:37.When you woke up after the operation, when your leg had

:11:38. > :11:49.been amputated, what did you, what were your initial

:11:50. > :11:59.My mum was on this side of me and the nurse there.

:12:00. > :12:03.So I knew the nurse quite well, I was in there for that long that

:12:04. > :12:07.I got to know them really well and they just sort of looked at me

:12:08. > :12:10.and they were upset and so then I got upset and said hang

:12:11. > :12:15.I looked down and I looked at my leg and it was a relief.

:12:16. > :12:17.It was a relief not to have it there because eventually

:12:18. > :12:20.I would be able to walk again with a prosthetic.

:12:21. > :12:22.Our correspondent Phil Mackie is at Stafford Crown

:12:23. > :12:29.This is a really important day. HSE as well, the Health and Safety

:12:30. > :12:34.Executive that's bringing the case have arrived this morning. We have

:12:35. > :12:38.seen all of the victims arriving including Vicky Balch and Leah

:12:39. > :12:44.Washington, the two girls who were in the front row of the Smiler

:12:45. > :12:49.carriage who both lost a leg. And the other people who were seriously

:12:50. > :12:53.injured. What is going to go on is a sentencing hearing which will last

:12:54. > :12:57.today and possibly tomorrow in which first we'll hear the HSE outline

:12:58. > :13:02.what happened that particular day. What we've heard in the past was

:13:03. > :13:05.that there was operator error that led to an empty carriage being

:13:06. > :13:09.stalled on the track and nobody who was running the ride being aware it

:13:10. > :13:12.was there. So they set this particular carriage, carrying 16

:13:13. > :13:17.people, off on the track and it crashed into it at a speed of up to

:13:18. > :13:21.50mph. We don't know the exact details, we don't know what went

:13:22. > :13:25.wrong, whether there was something wrong in the training or the design

:13:26. > :13:31.of the ride itself which is one of the most popular and one of the

:13:32. > :13:36.biggest rollercoasters in Europe. We would then expect to hear mitigation

:13:37. > :13:39.on behalf of Merlin Entear inamount and the judge will retire to

:13:40. > :13:44.consider what sentence to hand out. We are thinking that it could be a

:13:45. > :13:47.hefty fine for Merlin Entertainments. It is likely that we

:13:48. > :13:52.will hear statements from the victims as well as as the operator

:13:53. > :13:57.of the theme park afterwards to react. That could happen today. It

:13:58. > :14:01.could easily happen tomorrow. The case is due to start shortly and

:14:02. > :14:07.we'll be bringing you updates throughout the day.

:14:08. > :14:12.This morning fresh and startling claims about Concentrix,

:14:13. > :14:15.the firm used by the Government to cut tax credit payments.

:14:16. > :14:17.This programme can reveal that Concentrix staff have been told

:14:18. > :14:19.to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

:14:20. > :14:23.In an exclusive interview a whistleblower told us claimants

:14:24. > :14:25."screamed" at call-centre workers after their tax credits were cut,

:14:26. > :14:27.claiming "hundreds" of households had not received advance warning

:14:28. > :14:31.We were dealing with people claiming that they were

:14:32. > :14:36.You have to try to keep them on the phone while the manager

:14:37. > :14:38.phoned the police to go to their address to

:14:39. > :14:43.Some of the people we were dealing with, the suicide calls,

:14:44. > :14:45.were not even given a back-up, were not given after-care

:14:46. > :14:48.by the after-care team for taking suicide calls.

:14:49. > :14:51.Most of the people weren't even trained in how to deal

:14:52. > :14:58.They were just told, "Oh, go out and have a smoke,

:14:59. > :15:01.come back, you will be fine, deal with another 40 or 50 calls".

:15:02. > :15:04.Just to get this clear - you had people that were suicidal

:15:05. > :15:07.on the phone to you and your managers would say, "Keep them

:15:08. > :15:10.on the phone whilst we phone the police and get the police

:15:11. > :15:12.round the house so they don't kill themselves"?

:15:13. > :15:16.Yeah, and even in some cases, the claimant was not at the address

:15:17. > :15:23.They were in family's houses because they did not have the money

:15:24. > :15:26.to top up their phones to pay their phone bills so they had

:15:27. > :15:42.Concentrix told us their staff are trained following

:15:43. > :15:54.She's asked us not to use her real name.

:15:55. > :15:54.She claims tax credits for her 20 month-old daughter.

:15:55. > :16:09.Welcome to the programme. You were initially investigated by Concentrix

:16:10. > :16:15.for undisclosed partners? , they were previous tenants who had never

:16:16. > :16:29.met. But they are reinstating your payments? Yes, they said my back pay

:16:30. > :16:36.will be spread over ?3 a week and not in a lump sum. That is not

:16:37. > :16:42.helpful to you? Yes, it is devastating. You have to make

:16:43. > :16:47.decisions on what bills to pay. ?3 a week will not cover the minimum

:16:48. > :16:52.repayments for banking arrears and also to be paid back. It is

:16:53. > :16:57.difficult to cover everything you glossed over those weeks at ?3 a

:16:58. > :17:04.week. It just drives you further into poverty. What have they said to

:17:05. > :17:11.you? Basically the system said no. The system generates how much you

:17:12. > :17:18.are owed and lump sums are not available to everybody. It is

:17:19. > :17:28.bizarre. The Hague shams -- the HMRC statement it is says some will get a

:17:29. > :17:35.lump sum. Any customers who are in hardship should contact the helpline

:17:36. > :17:42.and they can look at options to help customers. That is not applying to

:17:43. > :17:45.everyone, I have been turned down consistently for hardship payments,

:17:46. > :17:51.being told by her HMRC because Concentrix had ticked the box that

:17:52. > :17:55.said no to hardship payments. So I have not qualified for any

:17:56. > :18:01.additional support from her HMRC. What are you going to do? I will

:18:02. > :18:05.have to keep fighting. It is devastating. You have birthdays and

:18:06. > :18:10.Christmas coming and you do worry about how you will survive. Can I

:18:11. > :18:13.thank you for coming on the programme, thank you for your time.

:18:14. > :18:30.We wish you lots of luck. We will continue to follow the

:18:31. > :18:36.story. We have asked them to come on the programme ten times. Same with

:18:37. > :18:40.HMRC, asked them ten times and they have said no.

:18:41. > :18:46.How to stop the dramatic decline in African elephants?

:18:47. > :18:52.Plans to strengthen the international ban on ivory trade

:18:53. > :18:56.are being discussed today to try to stop the poaching.

:18:57. > :19:00.Actress and campaigner Virginia McKenna will be with us

:19:01. > :19:07.Sir Bradley Wiggins has defended his use of powerful steroid

:19:08. > :19:11.injections to treat asthma and allergies before

:19:12. > :19:23.Computer hackers leaked his confidential medical

:19:24. > :19:31.The stolen data reveals Sir Bradley Wiggins was given position to inject

:19:32. > :19:39.the banned steroid just days before three major races. The 2011 and 2012

:19:40. > :19:43.Tour de France and the 2013 -year-old Italia. But in his

:19:44. > :19:47.autobiography, Bradley Wiggins describes his health in 2012 like

:19:48. > :19:56.this... I've done all the work, I was fine tuned, ready to go. My body

:19:57. > :20:04.was in good shape, the form of my life. I was only ill once or twice

:20:05. > :20:08.with minor colds, and I barely lost training. In an interview yesterday,

:20:09. > :20:12.he said he had been struggling with his breathing. It was prescribed for

:20:13. > :20:18.rest between problems. I have been a lifelong sufferer of asthma. I went

:20:19. > :20:25.to the team doctor at the time and in turn, went to a specialist to see

:20:26. > :20:30.if there was anything else we could do to cure these problems. He said,

:20:31. > :20:34.you will need authorisation from cycling's governing body. You did

:20:35. > :20:38.ask permission to take it? You have two show evidence that you have had

:20:39. > :20:41.this from a specialist and then three independent doctors will

:20:42. > :20:50.authorise you to take this product. Only then do you take the

:20:51. > :20:54.medication. In the same book, Sir Bradley Wiggins said he had never

:20:55. > :20:58.had an injection, apart from vaccinations and occasionally I have

:20:59. > :21:03.been put on a drip when I have come down with diarrhoea or been severely

:21:04. > :21:14.dehydrated. This contradicts what the Hack data says he had. This is

:21:15. > :21:19.how he explained it to Andrew Marr. In 2012 at the height of Lance

:21:20. > :21:25.Armstrong and just before the crash, as it were with him, have you ever

:21:26. > :21:29.used needles, it was always loaded questions with regards to doping.

:21:30. > :21:34.Intravenous injections of iron, no one asked the question. Have you had

:21:35. > :21:39.an injection by a medical professional to treat or cure a

:21:40. > :21:47.medical conditions. There are two sides to that and it was with a

:21:48. > :21:52.doping emphasis in the question. But some people say that response

:21:53. > :22:00.doesn't add up. Sir Bradley Wiggins, who won the BBC Sport personality of

:22:01. > :22:04.the year in 2012 says the drugs were used to level the playing field.

:22:05. > :22:09.This was to cure a medical condition and the governing body, the World

:22:10. > :22:16.Anti-Doping Agency said, this wasn't about trying to find a way to gain

:22:17. > :22:21.an unfair advantage, it was about putting myself back on a living

:22:22. > :22:25.playing field to compete at the highest level. World Anti-Doping

:22:26. > :22:31.Agency rules on obtaining a therapeutic use exemption, highlight

:22:32. > :22:38.it must not produce an additional enhancement of performance. This is

:22:39. > :22:44.what the doctor were Bradley Wiggins finished fourth in the 2009 Tour de

:22:45. > :22:53.France told Newsnight. I was surprised to see there were TUEs

:22:54. > :22:59.documented just before three major events, two Tour de France and

:23:00. > :23:06.another race. We have to think it is coincidental big dose of a big dose

:23:07. > :23:14.of this would be needed at that time of year, at that exact time, before

:23:15. > :23:21.the most important race of the season. No doubt in my mind, this is

:23:22. > :23:27.very, very strong. It is performance enhancing. It was postponed the

:23:28. > :23:40.sensation of fatigue, increase your recovery speed and most importantly,

:23:41. > :23:46.it would quite easily may be one or two K. David Miller has prescribed

:23:47. > :23:53.the power enhancing side-effects of the and cannot fathom why a doctor

:23:54. > :24:05.would prescribe it so close to a race. There is no suggestion form

:24:06. > :24:10.Team Sky or Bradley Wiggins have broken any rules.

:24:11. > :24:14.Worth pointing out that Bradley Wiggins wasn't specifically

:24:15. > :24:17.asked about those questions in depth during his interview

:24:18. > :24:20.with Andrew Marr, and that he insists he has stayed

:24:21. > :24:23.within both the letter and the spirit of the laws.

:24:24. > :24:27.We can speak now to Dr Michael Hutchinson.

:24:28. > :24:31.He's a former TeamGB cyclist turned journalist.

:24:32. > :24:35.And the Welsh Olympic cyclist Louise Jones

:24:36. > :24:38.who knew Bradley Wiggins when he was growing up.

:24:39. > :24:44.Thank you both for coming on the programme, Michael Hutchinson, what

:24:45. > :24:53.do you think? TUEs are grey areas and this is the explosion a lot of

:24:54. > :24:56.us have been waiting for. It is like the tax arrangements of some

:24:57. > :25:03.multinational companies who will be the letter of the law, perfectly

:25:04. > :25:08.legal. But a lot of people look and think, it doesn't feel right. That

:25:09. > :25:14.is the problem Bradley Wiggins has here. What do you think about him

:25:15. > :25:18.using this drug, a strong drug just before his hardest races. Apparently

:25:19. > :25:24.he doesn't need the medication after those races? One of the things that

:25:25. > :25:30.concerns people, it has been used in doping programmes in the past. You

:25:31. > :25:36.would expect it to be more of an issue. I am not a medical doctor, I

:25:37. > :25:39.am a doctor of something else entirely. But equally, I can see if

:25:40. > :25:43.you are genuinely concerned about asthma and allergies, the three

:25:44. > :25:50.weeks of the year he would be most concerned would be the three weeks

:25:51. > :25:55.of your biggest race. It is an angle that has come up quite frequently.

:25:56. > :26:00.People who don't suffer from asthma don't know what it feels like when

:26:01. > :26:03.symptoms come out of nowhere and you are struggling to breathe. The

:26:04. > :26:08.medication alleviates all of this. These same people don't have the

:26:09. > :26:13.right to criticise Bradley Wiggins for what could be a life-threatening

:26:14. > :26:24.conditions. Louise Jones, as the Sunday Times journalist said, does

:26:25. > :26:37.it look bad to you or not? Does it look bad to you? I think there is

:26:38. > :26:42.more read into this ban has actually happened. He has done everything by

:26:43. > :26:47.the letter of the law, he does suffer from asthma. I have seen

:26:48. > :26:53.people suffering from asthma who have not had medication. It is not a

:26:54. > :26:59.nice site. Only two weeks ago, we had to get an ambulance out to

:27:00. > :27:04.someone I get them to the emergency department very quickly. So a race

:27:05. > :27:12.like the Tour de France, anything you can do to make sure you are not

:27:13. > :27:18.going to be ill, it is something any athlete at that level will do within

:27:19. > :27:24.the rules of the sport and that is what he's done. Apparently he didn't

:27:25. > :27:29.need this steroid in 2009 in the Tour de France? Things change all

:27:30. > :27:34.the time, different conditions, different stresses, coming into the

:27:35. > :27:41.team as team leader. Asthma is related to stress as well. I think

:27:42. > :27:44.Team Sky were at a higher level than other teams were, looking after

:27:45. > :27:51.their cyclists in making sure everything was OK beforehand.

:27:52. > :27:57.Michael, is there any contradiction to you in that biography that was

:27:58. > :28:04.written for him, that he was in the form of his life before the 2012

:28:05. > :28:08.Tour de France, no sign of breathing problems? It does seem in

:28:09. > :28:15.consistent, I appreciate it was written by a ghost writer but it

:28:16. > :28:18.does have his name on it and he was involved in the writing process. I

:28:19. > :28:21.would have thought the breathing problems he described would have

:28:22. > :28:29.been a serious concern running into an event like the Tour de France. At

:28:30. > :28:34.the time he wrote this, maybe he was glossing over it because he doesn't

:28:35. > :28:39.want to give future riders any hope than they have already got. But

:28:40. > :28:42.also, to strive against the use of needles when they were being used

:28:43. > :28:45.for things like injections. It doesn't seem to me to quite

:28:46. > :28:53.necessarily quite square up. Thank you both. Michael Hutchinson, former

:28:54. > :28:54.Team GB cyclist and no journalist and the former Olympic cyclist,

:28:55. > :29:01.Louise Jones. And of course - Sir Bradley Wiggins

:29:02. > :29:04.therapeutic use exemptions were approved by British authorities

:29:05. > :29:07.and cycling's world There is no suggestion that either

:29:08. > :29:18.he or Team Sky, his former team, This has been reported by the

:29:19. > :29:22.Associated Press. An Egyptian health Ministry official said a total of

:29:23. > :29:29.170 bodies have been pulled from the water is five days after a boat

:29:30. > :29:33.carrying hundreds of migrants capsized in the Mediterranean while

:29:34. > :29:39.attempting to head to Europe. They say the numbers of dead are expected

:29:40. > :29:42.to rise, as many bodies are believed to be trapped inside the boat's

:29:43. > :29:47.refrigerator, the official said. The boat capsizing five days ago and now

:29:48. > :29:50.170 bodies have been pulled from the waters, according to an Egyptian

:29:51. > :29:56.health ministry official in Cairo. News and sport coming up in the next

:29:57. > :30:02.few minutes. Remember this photo that went viral a few weeks ago? It

:30:03. > :30:07.shows an elderly couple in tears as they were forced to live in separate

:30:08. > :30:15.care homes in Canada. The wasn't the room for them to be in the same one.

:30:16. > :30:19.The photo went viral after their granddaughter shared it, calling it

:30:20. > :30:24.the saddest photo I have ever seen. The couple, who have been married

:30:25. > :30:27.for 60 years, spends very little time apart until they were separated

:30:28. > :30:29.eight months ago because there wasn't room for them in the same

:30:30. > :30:48.home. I'm here now. This is the binning of

:30:49. > :30:54.the line. -- beginning of the line.

:30:55. > :31:03.All right. OK.

:31:04. > :31:11.That was the couple. She said to her when she had her hands on his face,

:31:12. > :31:13."Look at me. I love you." They are reunited and living in the same care

:31:14. > :31:21.home in Canada. Thank goodness. How to stop the dramatic decline

:31:22. > :31:23.in African elephants? Plans to strengthen

:31:24. > :31:25.the international ban on ivory trade are being discussed today

:31:26. > :31:27.to try to stop the poaching. Actress and campaigner

:31:28. > :31:30.Virginia McKenna will be with us And 100 million people will be

:31:31. > :31:38.tuning in to the first US Presidential TV debate tonight

:31:39. > :31:40.to watch Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton go

:31:41. > :31:41.head-to-head for 90 minutes. We'll be live in the

:31:42. > :31:49.states at 10.45am. With the news here's Joanna

:31:50. > :31:51.in the BBC Newsroom. New and startling claims have

:31:52. > :31:55.emerged this morning about Concentrix, the firm

:31:56. > :31:57.used by the Government This programme can reveal the firm

:31:58. > :32:04.have been told to keep "suicidal" claimants on the phone until police

:32:05. > :32:07.arrive at their homes. A whistleblower has told us

:32:08. > :32:09.they received hundreds of calls from distressed people who had not

:32:10. > :32:11.received advance warning that their payments would end,

:32:12. > :32:13.with some people screaming Concentrix say their staff

:32:14. > :32:18.follow the guidelines. Excavation work will begin

:32:19. > :32:22.on the Greek island of Kos today, as part of the search

:32:23. > :32:24.for the British toddler Ben Needham Police say new information

:32:25. > :32:28.suggests he could have been Ben's mother Kerry Needham has been

:32:29. > :32:32.told to "prepare for the worst" There was a team here

:32:33. > :32:40.in 2012 doing a search of an area of land just over

:32:41. > :32:43.to my right, over there. That was based on the information

:32:44. > :32:45.that was known at that time. A very thorough and intricate

:32:46. > :32:47.search took place. A number of items were found

:32:48. > :32:50.during that search which now bear significance having had opportunity

:32:51. > :32:53.to do the investigate that we've As a result of that,

:32:54. > :33:02.and the new information which came to light in May, that is why

:33:03. > :33:05.the decision has been made to search the area of land

:33:06. > :33:09.that we are now doing. Theresa May's supporters have hit

:33:10. > :33:12.back at claims she was branded "lily-livered" by former

:33:13. > :33:15.Prime Minister David Cameron after urging him to take a softer

:33:16. > :33:20.line on immigration during EU negotiations before

:33:21. > :33:22.June's referendum. Sources close to Mrs May say

:33:23. > :33:25.she wrote to Mr Cameron making the case for what was described

:33:26. > :33:28.as an "emergency brake" to curb the number of people coming

:33:29. > :33:32.to the UK from the rest of Europe. The Shadow Chancellor,

:33:33. > :33:33.John McDonnell, has told BBC News that Britain

:33:34. > :33:41.should increase borrowing in the short-term in order to create

:33:42. > :33:43.a "manufacturing renaissance". Mr McDonnell said that he would pay

:33:44. > :33:46.for the ?100 billion investment with taxes

:33:47. > :33:48.from increased employment. Speaking to the BBC's

:33:49. > :33:50.political Guru Norman Smith, John McDonnell said he believed

:33:51. > :33:52.Jeremy Corbyn was introducing For a long period

:33:53. > :34:07.of time, we have had politicians talking down to us and politics

:34:08. > :34:10.coming from above and solutions What Jeremy has done,

:34:11. > :34:13.he has unleashed all these ideas coming from just ordinary people

:34:14. > :34:15.saying, "I've got Those solutions are coming

:34:16. > :34:37.from the people themselves. 170 bodies have been pulled from the

:34:38. > :34:40.water in the Mediterranean. The death toll is expected to rise as

:34:41. > :34:44.many bodies are believed to be trapped inside the boat. Four men

:34:45. > :34:48.have been arrested in Egypt on suspicion of people-trafficking.

:34:49. > :34:52.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:34:53. > :35:01.Thank you very much. Jackie e-mailed on Concentrix, "I had a letter

:35:02. > :35:04.investigating my tax credits, saying they suspected I was in a

:35:05. > :35:07.relationship. I work full-time and I have two teenage daughters and I

:35:08. > :35:11.have been divorced for two years. The letter they send you is very

:35:12. > :35:17.accusing and details what they do if you are found to be falsie claiming,

:35:18. > :35:22.but nothing about if they're wrong which makes you feel guilty even

:35:23. > :35:27.though you're doing nothing wrong. "This texter says, "Tanya said she

:35:28. > :35:31.needed her tax credits for Christmas and birthdays, I assumed tax credits

:35:32. > :35:35.were needed for basics and not luxuries."

:35:36. > :35:42.Tributes are pouring in for the golfer Arnold palmer,

:35:43. > :35:47.The American won seven golf Majors, but will be remembered not only

:35:48. > :35:49.for his golfing genius, but his huge personality

:35:50. > :35:52.which helped grow the game during the 50s and 60s.

:35:53. > :35:56.Rory McIlroy won the Fed Ex Cup overnight.

:35:57. > :35:59.The PGA's season long points race -

:36:00. > :36:02.after victory in the Tour Championship.

:36:03. > :36:08.He came from three shots behind to win a cool ?7.7 million.

:36:09. > :36:13.Manchester City's women won the their first Superleague

:36:14. > :36:17.title after beating Chelsea Ladies 2-0.

:36:18. > :36:22.They've gone the whole season unbeaten and have the chance

:36:23. > :36:24.of more silverware in the Cup Final next month.

:36:25. > :36:26.And 16 time World champion Phil the Power Taylor won

:36:27. > :36:29.the first PDC Champions League of darts in Cardiff

:36:30. > :36:32.beating world number one Michael Vann Gerwen in the final.

:36:33. > :36:34.And that's all the sport. Back to you.

:36:35. > :36:38.Thank you very much, John. When a judge was sentencing

:36:39. > :36:40.Christopher Halliwell last week for the murder of Becky Godden

:36:41. > :36:43.he said "but for your confession I have no doubt Becky's remains

:36:44. > :36:49.would never have been found". That confession and another

:36:50. > :36:53.to the murder of Sian O'Callaghan were made to the Wiltshire Police

:36:54. > :36:56.officer, Steve Fulcher. But because he did not follow police

:36:57. > :37:00.guidelines neither confession could be used in court

:37:01. > :37:02.and he was convicted of Sian's murder on the basis

:37:03. > :37:12.of different evidence. A judge only allowed the evidence to

:37:13. > :37:15.be becaused in Becky's case many years later after being convinced

:37:16. > :37:17.that Christopher Halliwell lied to the court.

:37:18. > :37:18.Detective superintendent Steve Fulcher resigned

:37:19. > :37:21.from the police after being disciplined for gross misconduct.

:37:22. > :37:27.He has been speaking to the Today programme.

:37:28. > :37:35.He had been interviewed and had declined to answer any questions as

:37:36. > :37:41.to secure the safety of Sian O'Callaghan. I pleaded with him for

:37:42. > :37:46.Sian O'Callaghan's life and after a period of time, all he said was,

:37:47. > :37:53."Have you got a car? We'll go." On that basis, I followed him and

:37:54. > :37:57.allowed him to direct us to the White Horse where Sian O'Callaghan's

:37:58. > :38:00.body was found. But there was a moment when it became apparent that

:38:01. > :38:06.Sian must be dead? Yes. Because of what he said. Now that was the point

:38:07. > :38:10.when under the rules of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, PACE, you

:38:11. > :38:13.should have according to the judge and according to senior police

:38:14. > :38:17.officers, you should have further cautioned him as I understand it and

:38:18. > :38:23.offered him a lawyer and you decided not to do that. What I want to know,

:38:24. > :38:26.you might have had justifiable reasons for doing that, not least

:38:27. > :38:29.because he hinted there were more and there was Becky Godden's body

:38:30. > :38:33.who you found, but I wonder if you knew at the time that you were in

:38:34. > :38:38.danger of jeopardising the legal course of the case? No, not at all.

:38:39. > :38:42.The judgement was flawed. The only time I knew that Sian O'Callaghan

:38:43. > :38:46.was dead was at such time as a doctor and a paramedic certified her

:38:47. > :38:51.death. Any other assumption would have led to her death.

:38:52. > :38:54.So you say that at the time, you had to, you were doing what you should

:38:55. > :38:58.have done as a police officer? Exactly. He offered you also the

:38:59. > :39:03.information that led to the finding of Becky Godden? He did. All he said

:39:04. > :39:08.was, "You and I ought to have a chat. ." Following which he said,

:39:09. > :39:16."Do you want another one?" When I spoke to the later detective

:39:17. > :39:20.in the case last week, he said that the breach of police guidelines was

:39:21. > :39:23.dealt with appropriately by the original trial judge and the

:39:24. > :39:28.original trial judge, of course, ruled all that evidence

:39:29. > :39:33.inadmissible? Quite and this is the fundamental point. There is a flaw

:39:34. > :39:36.in PACE That's the Police and Criminal Evidence Act... Doesn't

:39:37. > :39:39.allow police officers to act in the interests of parties who are

:39:40. > :39:43.threatened, their life is threatened and it is particularly pertinent in

:39:44. > :39:47.crimes in action in kidnap cases and in terrorism offences. There are no

:39:48. > :39:51.mechanisms under PACE to save the life of this party. Your argument is

:39:52. > :39:55.what, you should have had the discretion to go with it? That's

:39:56. > :39:59.right. And there is precedent, there is legal precedent in this before

:40:00. > :40:02.the European Court. But even in the later case, the judge still ruled,

:40:03. > :40:06.the only reason it was allowed, this evidence was allowed in the later

:40:07. > :40:10.case, was because the judge said that Christopher Halliwell had lied

:40:11. > :40:16.and therefore, on that basis this could be shown to the jury? That's

:40:17. > :40:21.right. That's how PACE is framed. This is a straight choice between a

:40:22. > :40:24.victim's right to life and an offender's right to silence. Do you

:40:25. > :40:29.think you have been hung out to dry over this? Well, I have. Because you

:40:30. > :40:35.were found guilty of gross misconduct? No investigation was

:40:36. > :40:39.conducted from Wiltshire Police from the time I left that force in May

:40:40. > :40:44.2011 until February 2014. No investigation.

:40:45. > :40:49.That's former Detective Superintendent Steve Fulcher talking

:40:50. > :40:52.to Sarah Montague. Wiltshire Police acknowledged the

:40:53. > :40:56.case had been a difficult and challenging one for everyone

:40:57. > :40:59.involved and they said, "Any potential police officer, the

:41:00. > :41:03.objective would be to locate the victim and safeguard them from harm

:41:04. > :41:09.which tragically could not happen in this case."

:41:10. > :41:11.Should there be a ban on all ivory products?

:41:12. > :41:13.That's the question being raised at an international conference

:41:14. > :41:18.An estimated 30,000 elephants are being killed for their tusks

:41:19. > :41:20.every year with 70% thought to be sold to China where

:41:21. > :41:25.In a moment we'll talk to Virginia McKenna

:41:26. > :41:27.from the Born Free Foundation, but first let's take

:41:28. > :41:30.a look at why the plight of elephants is in the agenda,

:41:31. > :41:33.and a warning that our film we're about to show contains flashing

:41:34. > :42:04.images and distressing scenes from the start.

:42:05. > :42:07.We have been flying along this flood plain that divides

:42:08. > :42:13.All the way along here, we have been seeing carcasses of elephants,

:42:14. > :42:15.some four months old, some less than a week old.

:42:16. > :42:46.Poaching and traffic in wildlife is now a branch of

:42:47. > :42:50.The fight against it will be won by alliances

:42:51. > :43:50.If this current rate continues, within nine years, Africa could be

:43:51. > :43:55.left with half of the current estimate of African elements.

:43:56. > :43:57.Materialistic greed cannot be allowed to win against our moral

:43:58. > :44:20.duty to protect threatened species and vulnerable communities.

:44:21. > :44:34.With us now, Virginia McKenna from the Born Free Foundation.

:44:35. > :44:38.Philip Mansbridge, the UK Director of the International Fund

:44:39. > :44:46.And from Johannesburg, Steve Njumbi who heads up elephant

:44:47. > :44:49.conservation projects in East Africa and Heather Sohl

:44:50. > :44:56.And on the phone we're joined by Emmaunel Fundir,

:44:57. > :44:57.President Of Safari Operator Association in Zimbabwe.

:44:58. > :45:06.Welcome all of you. The proposals from some of these countries is that

:45:07. > :45:12.the ivory trade should continue, why should there be a ban? It is

:45:13. > :45:16.obvious. If you will leave an even larger loophole for the illegal

:45:17. > :45:25.trade to continue, it will continue and in a short space of time, as we

:45:26. > :45:29.have just learned, there will be no elephants left. It is imperative

:45:30. > :45:33.there is a total ban on the ivory trade. Most African countries, which

:45:34. > :45:39.of course is where the African elephants live, also want back.

:45:40. > :45:45.There is only three countries in Africa but don't want it. It is a

:45:46. > :45:51.big minority. So Born Free Foundation were 100% behind the 100%

:45:52. > :46:02.band. Do talk to Virginia McKenna about her call for a total ban on

:46:03. > :46:08.the ivory trade. On the phone, I think he is, can you hear us?

:46:09. > :46:19.Perhaps the phone line has gone down. Are you there? We will try and

:46:20. > :46:26.get him back. Philip, one of the issues that will be brought up in

:46:27. > :46:29.this conference is about making all elephants highly protected. Why are

:46:30. > :46:34.elephants in some countries endangered and protected, but not in

:46:35. > :46:39.others? This is the disparity and why would like to see this total

:46:40. > :46:44.protection. There are different populations and some of them, they

:46:45. > :46:48.will say they are in growth and there should be some kind of trade

:46:49. > :46:52.allowed. But that elephant doesn't know which country he is in at that

:46:53. > :47:01.time. The elephants naturally migrate across borders and it makes

:47:02. > :47:06.no sense that in one country they will be protected and then cross an

:47:07. > :47:10.invisible border into the next country, and they wouldn't. We have

:47:11. > :47:14.to look at the populations themselves rather than these

:47:15. > :47:18.political boundaries. One elephant every 15 minutes killed. What more

:47:19. > :47:21.do you need to afford better protection than a statement like

:47:22. > :47:27.that. Heather, what is it you want to come out of this conference? We

:47:28. > :47:33.know there is an existing international ban on the ivory trade

:47:34. > :47:39.and there is a proposal to put them on appendix one. But it is illegal

:47:40. > :47:44.to trade ivory internationally. So WWF once the focus to be on those

:47:45. > :47:48.countries where we are still seen rampant illegal ivory trade and

:47:49. > :47:51.there are 19 countries that have had to develop national ivory action

:47:52. > :47:55.plans that set out real measures that if implemented effectively,

:47:56. > :48:02.could change this disastrous poaching we are seeing. We need to

:48:03. > :48:06.see a focus in this conference and discussions around the issue, making

:48:07. > :48:11.sure countries take it seriously, put resources behind it and stop the

:48:12. > :48:16.illegal ivory trade. Steve, how do you stop the poachers? Well, there

:48:17. > :48:24.are several innovative ways we have been employing for the last two

:48:25. > :48:28.years. It is what you call community intelligence. Previously, law

:48:29. > :48:33.enforcement was confined to park Rangers or park officers. They have

:48:34. > :48:39.a limited amount of people who can do that kind of work. Through the

:48:40. > :48:46.communities, you have this wide network, for example, up to 300 game

:48:47. > :48:51.counts. Get this kind of support from the community and you have a

:48:52. > :48:57.very, very big advantage against any strangers who would come into an

:48:58. > :49:03.area. We are talking about expanding law enforcement by engaging with

:49:04. > :49:09.local communities, and also gather intelligence. What do you say to the

:49:10. > :49:15.argument that from some countries in southern Africa, if we regulate this

:49:16. > :49:20.as a trade, we can make elephant populations sustainable as well as

:49:21. > :49:25.having the trade in ivory? Can I answer that in a different way? We

:49:26. > :49:31.have talked a lot about numbers, export, legal and illegal. We're not

:49:32. > :49:36.talking about the elephant. Not talking about the individual animal

:49:37. > :49:41.that can suffer, and does suffer and die is for the sake of humans

:49:42. > :49:46.wanting money. It legally or legally. Many others thought the

:49:47. > :49:50.elephant to be one of the most extraordinary creatures on Earth,

:49:51. > :49:56.loving to its family, protecting the young and the old, respecting its

:49:57. > :50:03.dead, doing no harm to anyone. It is now being used like a bag of sugar

:50:04. > :50:07.on a shop shelf, it is quite disgraceful. The more I hear about

:50:08. > :50:11.and allowing more opportunities for trade, the more I am totally against

:50:12. > :50:15.it. Coming back to the sustainability. It is difficult,

:50:16. > :50:32.even if you take aside the amazing point

:50:33. > :50:37.Virginia makes about welfare and the structures of elephant families. It

:50:38. > :50:43.is difficult to run any parallel trade where you have a cloudy line

:50:44. > :50:49.between what is legal and illegal. We have seen stockpile sales in the

:50:50. > :50:53.past and they have been an epic failure. They are designed to flood

:50:54. > :50:58.the market, bring down demand and affect the price. But it is about

:50:59. > :51:05.enforcement on the ground. If the law is blurred, you cannot tell by

:51:06. > :51:09.looking at a product, if it has come from an ivory that is legally

:51:10. > :51:15.harvested, illegally harvested, what country, it is impossible to tell,

:51:16. > :51:21.it makes no sense. Can you see a total ban on the ivory trade in your

:51:22. > :51:26.lifetime? There has to be, because I am quite old. It is imperative there

:51:27. > :51:33.is a ban. As far as stockpiles are concerned, them. Everything. I think

:51:34. > :51:38.we now finally have our guest on the phone. Hopefully you can hear us in

:51:39. > :51:45.Zimbabwe, thanks for talking to others. My guests want a total ban

:51:46. > :51:51.on the ivory trade, why do you say no to that? For a number of reasons.

:51:52. > :51:57.The statement is based on people with information and the wildlife as

:51:58. > :52:02.an industry. We have a big population of elephants. We have

:52:03. > :52:08.84,000 in an area the size of which cannot sustain that level of

:52:09. > :52:16.elephants. If I can give an example, prior to 1980, we had the population

:52:17. > :52:23.of 1600 elephants in the whole country. Now we're talking about

:52:24. > :52:39.84,000 elements in the same habitat. -- elephants. I am going to pause it

:52:40. > :52:44.because it is hard to hear. I know you are saying in 1980 there were

:52:45. > :52:49.1600 elephants in Zimbabwe. Now there are 80 4000. He could have

:52:50. > :52:53.been 64,000, but a healthy population? Yes, it is fantastic

:52:54. > :52:58.news that individual population has grown. There is only around 350,000

:52:59. > :53:05.elephants left in the wild. The recent survey that came out a few

:53:06. > :53:09.weeks ago, revealed in the last seven years, in the country survey

:53:10. > :53:13.they had lost 30% of their populations. These consumers, do

:53:14. > :53:19.they know where the ivory is sourced from, even though you take on the

:53:20. > :53:26.welfare issues, do they know where it is sourced from? How can they

:53:27. > :53:32.tell if they are buying good, illegal ivory, if there were such a

:53:33. > :53:38.thing or ivory that is propping up a barbaric trade in poaching? Going to

:53:39. > :53:40.leave it there, thanks for coming on the programme. Thanks to our guests

:53:41. > :53:46.in Johannesburg as well. News just in. The BBC says Matt Le

:53:47. > :53:52.Blanc has signed a two series deal to host Top Gear. He will host the

:53:53. > :54:00.programme when it returns a four 24th series in 2017. He was one of

:54:01. > :54:05.the main hosts went Top Gear relaunched, alongside Chris Evans

:54:06. > :54:09.who quit in July. Matt Le Blanc will be the main presenter of top gay in

:54:10. > :54:14.a two series deal. US Presidential hopefuls

:54:15. > :54:17.Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton go head-to-head in their first

:54:18. > :54:20.TV debate tonight. More than 100 million

:54:21. > :54:24.people in the US alone are expected to tune in -

:54:25. > :54:27.that's an audience to rival the Superbowl, the biggest TV event

:54:28. > :54:30.in America's calendar. Trump and Clinton will face a 90

:54:31. > :54:35.minute grilling live So how will they be

:54:36. > :54:45.preparing for it? Look at those hands, are they small

:54:46. > :54:51.hands? And, he referred to in my hands if they are small. If they are

:54:52. > :54:56.small, something else must be small. I guarantee there is no problem. You

:54:57. > :55:02.can put half of Trump's supporters into what I call a basket of

:55:03. > :55:02.deplorable is. Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic,

:55:03. > :55:06.Islamophobic, you name it. Of course so much has changed

:55:07. > :55:10.since those debates, Have a look at this

:55:11. > :55:17.picture of Hilary Clinton. where everyone has her back

:55:18. > :55:20.to her so they can take a selfie. We can speak now to Matt Keelan,

:55:21. > :55:24.a Republican political strategist who works for the Trump campaign,

:55:25. > :55:27.and Atima Omara, president of the Young Democrats of America

:55:28. > :55:35.and Clinton campaigner. Tell us about Donald Trump's tactics

:55:36. > :55:39.that this TV debate? He wants to come across as acting very

:55:40. > :55:45.presidential. Measured responses and get into some deep policy. Also, I

:55:46. > :55:51.think he will want to prosecute the last eight years of failure on the

:55:52. > :55:57.economy and failure on the world stage. At the end of the day, the

:55:58. > :56:02.American people want a change. This is a change election and the only

:56:03. > :56:06.change agent on the stage will be Donald Trump. How does Hillary

:56:07. > :56:12.Clinton prepare to debate someone who is pretty unpredictable and

:56:13. > :56:21.doesn't play by the normal rules? Hillary is going to prepare the two

:56:22. > :56:29.Donald Trump 's. Talked about his hands and makes a lot of off-colour

:56:30. > :56:35.jokes and someone who has been a bit more sedate in the last weeks. No

:56:36. > :56:39.idea what to expect. We will be presenting our detailed plans we

:56:40. > :56:44.have been talking about since the beginning of the primary. What she

:56:45. > :56:50.is going to do for America. How will Donald Trump deal with the host, we

:56:51. > :56:54.have seen him attacked jealous who have hosted the sessions before? We

:56:55. > :57:00.have seen him go on the offensive and start attacking, it is much more

:57:01. > :57:05.likely he will attack the moderator than he does attack Hillary Clinton.

:57:06. > :57:11.He will try to come across as measured. We have had instances in

:57:12. > :57:24.the past were a debate moderator has put their finger on the scale. How

:57:25. > :57:29.important is this TV debate when the polls are pretty neck and neck? I

:57:30. > :57:34.think this debate will be very important. Clinton has been going up

:57:35. > :57:40.in the polls in the most recent weeks. For her, it is setting the

:57:41. > :57:46.tone for the rest of the next couple of debates coming up. How

:57:47. > :57:52.significant, what would you say? As Donald Trump will say, it is going

:57:53. > :57:56.to be huge, huge. 100 million people, bigger than the Super Bowl.

:57:57. > :57:59.This is where Donald Trump puts the campaign away with a great

:58:00. > :58:14.performance tonight on the debate stage. Thank you very much for your

:58:15. > :58:18.time. Thanks for your company today. Tomorrow we will bring you the

:58:19. > :58:23.fallout from the TV debate. Thanks for watching, have a good day. We

:58:24. > :58:31.will see you tomorrow at nine o'clock.

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