27/09/2016

:00:00. > :00:08.Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:09. > :00:13.Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clash in one of the most watched

:00:14. > :00:18.The 90 minute showdown covered the economy,

:00:19. > :00:24.race and national security and saw personal attacks on both sides

:00:25. > :00:26.I will release my tax returns against, my lawyers' wishes,

:00:27. > :00:33.when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.

:00:34. > :00:36.He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:00:37. > :00:42.who has called women, pigs, slobs and dogs.

:00:43. > :00:45.As an early poll suggests Hillary Clinton came out best,

:00:46. > :00:48.we'll get the views of some Americans who watched it alongside

:00:49. > :00:53.The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager,

:00:54. > :00:56.Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

:00:57. > :01:01.the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

:01:02. > :01:03.We'll bring you some of the secret recordings.

:01:04. > :01:08.The British Asian men who marry for money then abandon their wives.

:01:09. > :01:21.Men do this because it's so easy to get away with it. Not in a single

:01:22. > :01:24.case that I am counted was there any comeback for the men. -- that I

:01:25. > :01:26.encountered. And on the 50th anniversary of his

:01:27. > :01:29.first radio broadcast for the BBC, Sir Terry Wogan is remembered

:01:30. > :01:31.at Westminster Abbey. We'll speak to some

:01:32. > :01:35.of his biggest fans. Welcome to the programme,

:01:36. > :01:54.we're live until 11 this morning. Later, in a highly personal film,

:01:55. > :01:59.one DJ asks why black men in Britain are 17 times more likely to suffer

:02:00. > :02:03.from serious mental health problems than white men. Absolutely alarming

:02:04. > :02:07.statistic, we will bring you that later. If you're getting a judge,

:02:08. > :02:12.use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, if you text you will be charged up a

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:02:15. > :02:18.More than 90 million people were glued to their TVs last night

:02:19. > :02:20.for the most watched political debate in history.

:02:21. > :02:22.Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump clashed over their policies

:02:23. > :02:25.and character as they went head to head for the first time

:02:26. > :02:28.The Democratic candidate accused her Republican

:02:29. > :02:30.rival of hiding something because of his failure

:02:31. > :02:33.Mr Trump dismissed Mrs Clinton's record in office

:02:34. > :02:38.There were also sharp exchanges over each other's fitness for office.

:02:39. > :02:42.Our North America correspondent, Nick Bryant, was watching.

:02:43. > :02:44.America's never seen a reality show like this.

:02:45. > :02:47.A former first lady head-to-head with a Manhattan property tycoon

:02:48. > :02:49.in a televised debate that blurred the lines

:02:50. > :02:58.This is the first time they've shared the stage

:02:59. > :03:01.and despite the faux niceties, it quickly became fight night.

:03:02. > :03:05.They clashed over trade deals like NAFTA.

:03:06. > :03:08.Your husband signed NAFTA, which was one of the worst

:03:09. > :03:11.things that ever happened to the manufacturing industry.

:03:12. > :03:15.Well, I know you live in your own reality,

:03:16. > :03:20.She attacked a billionaire for failing to release his tax returns.

:03:21. > :03:23.He counter-punched by bringing up her use of a private e-mail

:03:24. > :03:30.I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes

:03:31. > :03:36.when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

:03:37. > :03:38.As soon as she releases them, I will release,

:03:39. > :03:44.I made a mistake using a private e-mail.

:03:45. > :03:49.And if I had to do over again I would obviously it differently,

:03:50. > :03:53.but I'm not going to make any excuses.

:03:54. > :03:56.It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

:03:57. > :03:58.One of the angriest clashes came over Donald Trump's repeated claims

:03:59. > :04:03.over the years that Barack Obama was not American.

:04:04. > :04:06.I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate

:04:07. > :04:16.Mr Trump questioned whether she had the temperament to be Commander

:04:17. > :04:17.in Chief, having apparently seen her offstage

:04:18. > :04:23.The other day, behind the blue screen, I don't know

:04:24. > :04:25.who you were talking to, Secretary Clinton,

:04:26. > :04:30.I said, there's a person with a temperament

:04:31. > :04:41.He also said that his female opponent did not have

:04:42. > :04:46.I don't believe that Hillary has the stamina.

:04:47. > :04:51.Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates

:04:52. > :04:59.a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents,

:05:00. > :05:04.an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world,

:05:05. > :05:06.or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional

:05:07. > :05:13.committee, he can talk to me about stamina.

:05:14. > :05:16.Hillary Clinton looked and sounded like the more conventional

:05:17. > :05:18.presidential candidate, something Donald Trump tried

:05:19. > :05:23.This was 90 minutes of vintage Trump that would've delighted his core

:05:24. > :05:26.supporters, but his task tonight was also to reach out to undecided

:05:27. > :05:29.voters, still unsure about whether he passes a basic

:05:30. > :05:45.Laura Bicker is our correspondent in Washington.

:05:46. > :05:52.What is the verdict, Laura, who do people think won? I don't think

:05:53. > :05:56.there was a killer, knockout blow, but I think if you were looking to

:05:57. > :06:00.see who edged it, who is ahead in the polls, when it comes to this

:06:01. > :06:03.debate, it is Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump managed to compose

:06:04. > :06:10.himself a 30 minutes, he stuck to his strip, he managed to land a few

:06:11. > :06:13.blows when it came to trade deals, for example, one Hillary Clinton

:06:14. > :06:20.said one thing and now says another -- managed to stick to his script.

:06:21. > :06:25.The buttons are forward as an antiestablishment candidate. But

:06:26. > :06:30.then his train went off the track. He started with the insults, he kept

:06:31. > :06:35.interrupting, his voice got louder, he got more erratic and went off

:06:36. > :06:38.script. Hillary Clinton remained composed throughout, made jokes

:06:39. > :06:43.about his temperament, whether or not he was fit to be president, and

:06:44. > :06:48.put that question in the minds of voters. When it came to the last dig

:06:49. > :06:52.about whether or not she had the stamina, after 90 or so minutes

:06:53. > :06:57.debating, she was the one that looked fresh as a daisy, he looked

:06:58. > :06:59.like he needed to go home. Thank you very much, Laura.

:07:00. > :07:01.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:07:02. > :07:05.The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:07:06. > :07:07.Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:07:08. > :07:10.offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:07:11. > :07:12.Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:07:13. > :07:17.In the undercover footage, Sam Allardyce discusses so-called

:07:18. > :07:18.third-party ownership, where an investment company takes

:07:19. > :07:25.It is a practice banned by the Football Association

:07:26. > :07:46.in England and by the international football organisation, FIFA.

:07:47. > :07:50.You have not seen this one before, have you?

:07:51. > :07:52.The man known as Big Sam was announced as the new

:07:53. > :08:00.The Telegraph says any agreement between Sam Allardyce and the sports

:08:01. > :08:03.management company would have had the potential to create

:08:04. > :08:08.According to the paper, Mr Allardyce repeatedly said

:08:09. > :08:11.that he would have to clear the deal with his employer,

:08:12. > :08:16.In another section, one of Mr Allardyce's own colleagues

:08:17. > :08:18.talks about paying colleagues and managers to help

:08:19. > :08:54.The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities

:08:55. > :08:56.in British football for ten months, and there are many more

:08:57. > :09:07.Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:09:08. > :09:12.The Telegraph says it has been investigating alleged irregularities

:09:13. > :09:15.Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:09:16. > :09:18.The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

:09:19. > :09:22.The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

:09:23. > :09:24.conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

:09:25. > :09:28.Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:09:29. > :09:30.they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:09:31. > :09:35.A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:09:36. > :09:39.Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:09:40. > :09:50.There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday,

:09:51. > :09:54.the odd piece of fabric. That is being analysed and look that.

:09:55. > :09:58.That'll take a little bit of time to do. But slight interest is the point

:09:59. > :10:02.in relation to that at the moment. Every single light that we have

:10:03. > :10:06.found, those of you here yesterday saw the fingertip search taking

:10:07. > :10:11.place, everything is being carefully looked at and we are working through

:10:12. > :10:15.the same again today. You may see that we are not working in a line,

:10:16. > :10:20.grid by grid, adjacent to each other. As I said yesterday, that is

:10:21. > :10:23.based on the fact that I have a targeted approach to specific areas

:10:24. > :10:25.of interest based on the information we have managed to gather over the

:10:26. > :10:27.past 18 months. From today, the seven million people

:10:28. > :10:30.who have registered for a BBC online account will be asked

:10:31. > :10:32.to supply their postcode. At the moment, only a username,

:10:33. > :10:35.email address, password and - for those wishing to comment on news

:10:36. > :10:38.stories - a date of The BBC says knowing users'

:10:39. > :10:41.postcodes will help it offer A second, bigger change will come

:10:42. > :10:45.in next year, when all users of the iPlayer service

:10:46. > :10:59.will need to sign in. A new report has called for the

:11:00. > :11:02.practice of some British Asian men marrying women and then leaving them

:11:03. > :11:05.shortly after getting married in South Asia to be treated as domestic

:11:06. > :11:09.violence. It has been discovered they have been taking thousands of

:11:10. > :11:12.pounds from their new wife's family and using the women as domestic

:11:13. > :11:15.slaves for their in-laws. Astronomers have found more evidence

:11:16. > :11:17.that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa, The latest observation - uncovered

:11:18. > :11:22.by the Hubble space telescope - raises the prospect of samples

:11:23. > :11:24.from the water being Scientists say there may be

:11:25. > :11:27.microorganisms in Europa's vast ocean, which is

:11:28. > :11:32.covered with thick ice. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:11:33. > :11:41.News - more at 9:30am. I asked on Twitter if you thought

:11:42. > :11:44.Sam Allardyce could survive in his job as England manager after just

:11:45. > :11:50.one game in charge because of allegations made by the Telegraph.

:11:51. > :11:54.One viewer says no, he can't, he has totally belittled his credibility,

:11:55. > :11:58.he is toast. Gibson says, he probably can because he is still in

:11:59. > :12:02.the honeymoon period. Andrew said, I don't understand what he did wrong.

:12:03. > :12:11.The reporter asked if these things went on and he said that they do, he

:12:12. > :12:13.did not endorse them in any way. We will talk to our sports news

:12:14. > :12:17.correspondent at just after 9:30am. Get in touch with us, use the

:12:18. > :12:19.hashtag #VictoriaLive. If you text, you will be charged a standard

:12:20. > :12:25.networked rake. -- network rate. Sir Dave Brailsford,

:12:26. > :12:27.the boss of Team Sky has been explaining why Sir Bradley Wiggins

:12:28. > :12:30.was given permission to take a banned substance before big races

:12:31. > :12:38.and why they weren't cheating. Two Knights of the Garter, Sir

:12:39. > :12:42.Bradley and Sir Dave, over the past few days they have been caught on

:12:43. > :12:48.the back foot somewhat. -- Knights of the realm. A Russian hacking

:12:49. > :12:52.group has hacked into the World Anti-Doping Agency computers and

:12:53. > :12:57.pulled out the exemption certificates, all the actors...

:12:58. > :13:01.Athletes who have been using. That is athlete who, when they are run

:13:02. > :13:06.well, need to use what is usually a banned substance for a genuine

:13:07. > :13:12.medical need. Sir Bradley Wiggins used three in 2011, 2012 and 2013,

:13:13. > :13:17.particularly before major races in 2012, when he won the Tour de

:13:18. > :13:21.France. He used something which is a very powerful anti-inflammatory

:13:22. > :13:27.steroid, he used it to treat an ongoing asthma condition but, of

:13:28. > :13:34.course, there is a slight grey area because many critics feel that these

:13:35. > :13:38.are open to abuse, that doctors will just prescribe them to give athletes

:13:39. > :13:42.the edge. Team Sky, Sir Dave Brailsford, said this was not the

:13:43. > :13:46.case. He has no not Sir Bradley Wiggins has always suffered from

:13:47. > :13:50.asthma and they are very, very comfortable with the protocols of

:13:51. > :13:56.getting one of these certificates. It is not one of their own doctors

:13:57. > :13:59.prescribing them, they had to get individual independent medical

:14:00. > :14:06.advice to actually get one. It is all about image, he says that, going

:14:07. > :14:11.forward, perhaps they had to be a lot more transparent about exactly

:14:12. > :14:19.what that athletes are taking. The issue we are getting, with all

:14:20. > :14:21.of this situation, on the one hand transparency and sharing ins --

:14:22. > :14:26.information would be an ideal place for us to get to, something we are

:14:27. > :14:34.definitely looking at and something that we're heading to. We will do

:14:35. > :14:38.that should any TUE be made public in the future. We will change our

:14:39. > :14:41.forward-looking policy to be absolutely transparent.

:14:42. > :14:45.Team Sky was set up all those years ago with a zero-tolerance

:14:46. > :14:54.anti-doping charter. But they do say that, yes, they can't stop people

:14:55. > :14:59.thinking... But they are clear that they did not cheat. Olly Foster is

:15:00. > :15:02.back with the sports headlines at 9:30pm. -- 9:30am.

:15:03. > :15:05.It was always going to get personal, given the toxic nature

:15:06. > :15:08.Last night's US presidential debate saw bitter exchanges

:15:09. > :15:10.between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as each battled

:15:11. > :15:13.He was on the back foot over tax and race.

:15:14. > :15:15.She was accused of deceiving the American public.

:15:16. > :15:18.And the candidates scrapped angrily over key policy areas such

:15:19. > :15:22.Here are some of the key moments from the debate which was watched,

:15:23. > :15:32.it's thought, by around 90 million people

:15:33. > :15:33.Why won't he release his tax returns?

:15:34. > :15:36.And I think there are maybe a couple of reasons.

:15:37. > :15:38.First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.

:15:39. > :15:42.Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be.

:15:43. > :15:46.Third, we don't know all of his business dealings,

:15:47. > :15:50.but we have been told through investigative reporting

:15:51. > :15:56.that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks.

:15:57. > :15:58.Or maybe he doesn't want the American people,

:15:59. > :16:04.all of you watching tonight, to know he's paid nothing in federal

:16:05. > :16:07.taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple

:16:08. > :16:11.of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities

:16:12. > :16:14.when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed he didn't

:16:15. > :16:20.So if he paid zero, that means zero for troops, zero for vets,

:16:21. > :16:26.zero for schools or health, and I think probably he's not

:16:27. > :16:29.all that enthusiastic about having the rest of our country see

:16:30. > :16:34.what the real reasons are because it must be

:16:35. > :16:36.something really important, even terrible that he

:16:37. > :16:40.I will release them as soon as the audit.

:16:41. > :16:43.Look, I've been under audit almost for 15 years.

:16:44. > :16:46.I know a lot of wealthy people that have never been audited.

:16:47. > :16:51.I get audited almost every year and in a way, I should

:16:52. > :16:58.I get audited by the IRS, but other people don't.

:16:59. > :17:08.We have a situation in this country that has to be taken care of.

:17:09. > :17:10.I will release my tax returns against my lawyers wishes

:17:11. > :17:14.when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

:17:15. > :17:16.As soon as she releases them, I will release,

:17:17. > :17:19.I will release my tax returns, and that's against my lawyers,

:17:20. > :17:30.Watching shows, reading the papers, almost every lawyer says you don't

:17:31. > :17:33.release your returns until the audit is complete.

:17:34. > :17:36.When the audit's complete I will do it, but I will go against them

:17:37. > :17:49.I made a mistake using a private e-mail.

:17:50. > :17:56.And if I had to do it over again I would obviously do it differently,

:17:57. > :17:58.but I'm not going to make any excuses.

:17:59. > :18:03.It was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

:18:04. > :18:16.OK, that was not a mistake that was done purposely.

:18:17. > :18:23.When you have your staff taking the Fifth Amendment,

:18:24. > :18:34.taking the Fifth, so they're not prosecuted.

:18:35. > :18:39.When you have the man that set-up the illegal service taking

:18:40. > :18:42.the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful, and believe me, country thinks it's,

:18:43. > :18:45.Remember, Donald started his career back in 1973 being sued

:18:46. > :18:48.by the Justice Department for racial discrimination because he would not

:18:49. > :18:50.rent apartments in one of his developments to African-Americans

:18:51. > :18:53.and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood

:18:54. > :18:57.He actually was sued twice by the Justice Department,

:18:58. > :19:21.so he has a long record of engaging in racist behaviour and be both

:19:22. > :19:28.You know, Barack Obama is a man with great dignity and I could tell

:19:29. > :19:31.how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this

:19:32. > :19:33.was being touted and used against him, but I like to remember

:19:34. > :19:35.what Michelle Obama said in her amazing speech

:19:36. > :19:39.at our Democratic National Convention.

:19:40. > :19:42."When they go low, we go higher", and Barack Obama went high,

:19:43. > :19:44.despite Donald Trump's best efforts to bring him down.

:19:45. > :19:47.Mr Trump, you can respond the men were going to move on.

:19:48. > :19:51.First of all, I got to watch in preparing for this some

:19:52. > :19:52.of your debates against Barack Obama.

:19:53. > :19:55.You treated him with terrible disrespect and I watched the way

:19:56. > :19:58.you talk now about how lovely everything is and how

:19:59. > :20:10.You even sent out, or your campaign sent out pictures of

:20:11. > :20:16.Very famous pictures, I do think you can deny that.

:20:17. > :20:20.But just last week your campaign manager said it was true,

:20:21. > :20:22.so when you try to act holier than thou, it

:20:23. > :20:29.Now as far as the lawsuit, yes, when I was very young I went

:20:30. > :20:34.He had a real state company in Brooklyn and Queens and we,

:20:35. > :20:36.along with many, many other companies throughout the country,

:20:37. > :20:41.We settled the suit with zero, no admission of guilt.

:20:42. > :20:43.You go to New England, you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania,

:20:44. > :20:50.you go anywhere you want, Secretary Clinton, and you will see

:20:51. > :20:52.devastation where manufacturing is down 30%, 40%, sometimes 50%.

:20:53. > :20:55.NAFTA is the worst trade deal may be ever side anywhere,

:20:56. > :20:58.but certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve

:20:59. > :21:02.You were totally in favour of it, then you heard what I was saying,

:21:03. > :21:05.how bad it is and you said, I can't win that debate,

:21:06. > :21:08.but you know that if you didn't win, you would approve that and that

:21:09. > :21:15.Well, we need to have smart, fair trade deals.

:21:16. > :21:19.We also both need to have a tax system that rewards work and not

:21:20. > :21:21.just financial transactions and the kind of plan that Donald has

:21:22. > :21:24.put forward would be trickle-down economics all over again.

:21:25. > :21:27.In fact, it would be the most extreme version.

:21:28. > :21:31.The biggest tax cuts for the top percent of the people in this

:21:32. > :21:36.I call it trumped up trickle-down because that's exactly

:21:37. > :21:47.She doesn't have the looks, she doesn't have the stamina.

:21:48. > :21:49.I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe

:21:50. > :21:57.To be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina.

:21:58. > :22:05.Wait a minute, she asked me a question.

:22:06. > :22:09.You have to be able to negotiate our trade deals.

:22:10. > :22:11.You have to be able to negotiate, that's right,

:22:12. > :22:18.Can you imagine, we're defending Saudi Arabia and with all

:22:19. > :22:20.of the money they have, where it defending them

:22:21. > :22:28.You have so many different things you have to be able to do and I do

:22:29. > :22:30.believe that Hillary has the stamina.

:22:31. > :22:41.He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:22:42. > :22:43.who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs and someone

:22:44. > :22:45.who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers.

:22:46. > :22:50.He has said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good

:22:51. > :22:55.And one of the worst things he said was about a woman

:22:56. > :23:06.Supporting them and hanging around them.

:23:07. > :23:27.Then he called her Miss Housekeeping because she was Latina.

:23:28. > :23:31.Her name Alicia Machado and she has become a US citizen and you can bet

:23:32. > :23:32.she's going to vote this November.

:23:33. > :23:37.We can speak now to five Americans living in the UK who stayed up

:23:38. > :23:39.to watch the debate, Kristal Paramor and Ashley Florestal

:23:40. > :23:42.They want Hillary Clinton to win the presidential race.

:23:43. > :23:44.And Alex Sundstrom and his wife Malise.

:23:45. > :23:46.They are both Republicans and want Donald Trump to win.

:23:47. > :23:49.And Greg Barron who isn't keen on either of the two

:23:50. > :23:54.I'm going to ask you to be fair to the candidate you don't support.

:23:55. > :23:57.What did you think of the debate? I thought it was, it to be fair, I

:23:58. > :24:00.thought it was very much what we have seen so far of both of the

:24:01. > :24:04.candidates. A lot of winging it on Trump's behalf and then Hillary

:24:05. > :24:10.Clinton preparing as well as being knocked down for preparing for it. I

:24:11. > :24:13.don't think, I think it has been that the entire time and nothing has

:24:14. > :24:20.changed really. Did you learn anything new? No. Who won? Who won?

:24:21. > :24:24.I think Clinton won, but by very little. And that's a Donald Trump

:24:25. > :24:27.supporter saying that. I don't think it will matter. I don't think we

:24:28. > :24:34.have seen anything new and so I don't think it will hurt Trump. I

:24:35. > :24:39.think the strength, one of Clinton's strengths, she is lawyer, when she

:24:40. > :24:42.was preparing, Donald Trump was out on the campaign trail, boosting his

:24:43. > :24:49.results in swing States so he got a good return on that. So he has been

:24:50. > :24:55.away from the debate prep. I cringed a lot of the times. He a lot of

:24:56. > :25:01.challenges from the way the questions were framed. A lot of

:25:02. > :25:05.questions on the Bertha point, areas they probed him maybe unfairly, but

:25:06. > :25:14.against that he got rattled towards the end. The Bertha point, just to

:25:15. > :25:16.explain to our audience, for five years Donald Trump questioned

:25:17. > :25:20.whether President Obama was born in the United States and then a couple

:25:21. > :25:24.of weeks ago changed his mind and accepted that he was. Is that going

:25:25. > :25:29.to go, do you think or not? He wasn't able to answer why he changed

:25:30. > :25:35.his mind? He accepted the reality. Clinton doesn't have clean hands.

:25:36. > :25:42.Throughout 2008 her sur owe gates, she was the creator of this issue.

:25:43. > :25:47.There is disputes who said, she said, we're getting a lot of

:25:48. > :25:52.hearsay, Trump ran with it and dropped it. I don't think it is the

:25:53. > :25:56.kind of issue, it is not that important in the grand scheme of

:25:57. > :26:00.things especially given how both of them seem to have been involved.

:26:01. > :26:04.What did you think about the point that Donald Trump should release his

:26:05. > :26:08.tax returns and him saying, "Well, I will, when you release the deleted

:26:09. > :26:13.thousands of e-mails?" Well, I think it is kind of a point that's beaten

:26:14. > :26:16.to death. I think there is a standard for presidential

:26:17. > :26:21.candidates. Every presidential candidate since the 80s has released

:26:22. > :26:28.their tax returns, I find it ironic that Mr Trump is talking about Mrs

:26:29. > :26:33.Clinton's transparency and what secretary Clinton is not releasing

:26:34. > :26:37.when he is not releasing a base part of, a basic part of running for

:26:38. > :26:42.president. I think it is even more ironic that his point that he is

:26:43. > :26:45.such a businessman, that's why he is qualified for the job, yet he

:26:46. > :26:48.doesn't want to release information on how successful his businesses

:26:49. > :26:58.are. Do you think this is going to become more of an issue that his tax

:26:59. > :27:02.returns aren't out there yet? I think the discussion will continue.

:27:03. > :27:08.I think the e-mails are a bigger issue... Of course you do because

:27:09. > :27:14.you are a Donald Trump supporter. I'm actually undecided. But I'm a

:27:15. > :27:18.Republican. But not that undecided? I don't know, I want to have time to

:27:19. > :27:23.go through it, but I think the e-mails are a bigger deal. This is a

:27:24. > :27:32.very basic part of running for president. The e-mails are more

:27:33. > :27:35.disqualifying, she handled potentially classified information.

:27:36. > :27:39.But they have been deleted. The prospects of them being published is

:27:40. > :27:42.zero which means Mr Trump doesn't have to publish his tax returns

:27:43. > :27:47.according to what he said last night? We will see what happens if

:27:48. > :27:50.the tax returns. I think that was more a part of the debate but I

:27:51. > :27:54.think he wanted to bring up the point there are these e-mails. Greg,

:27:55. > :28:01.not keen on either of the main candidates, what did you make of the

:28:02. > :28:09.debate? Well, I think both candidates talked nonsense. Clinton,

:28:10. > :28:13.it is much more detailed nonsense. Is that more offensive to you, would

:28:14. > :28:19.you rather have vague nonsense or detailed nonsense? Trump, when he

:28:20. > :28:23.can't think of what to say, he falls back on the generalalities and

:28:24. > :28:30.talking about his poll numbers or admirals and generals who are

:28:31. > :28:35.supporting him. Clinton was clearly far more prepared particularly in

:28:36. > :28:41.the end of the debate, you could see that things were fraying for Trump.

:28:42. > :28:49.I think Clinton won the debate in the sense that she smiled and she

:28:50. > :28:57.didn't look, she looked almost human which is unusual for her! She looked

:28:58. > :29:01.almost human. Gosh. And she, if you hadn't been a lot of Americans begin

:29:02. > :29:05.to pay attention to the election around this time and if you hadn't

:29:06. > :29:11.been paying attention for a year, the last year, to the e-mail scandal

:29:12. > :29:15.which is truly scandalous that this person might end up being president,

:29:16. > :29:20.but if you hadn't been paying attention and this was the first you

:29:21. > :29:27.were looking at the election, you might think, Clinton looks credible.

:29:28. > :29:34.So in that sense I think Clinton probably won, but she has to sway

:29:35. > :29:38.people like us. I mean I'm undecided as well and no, I know too much

:29:39. > :29:43.about her. I'm not voting for Clinton. The question for me is -

:29:44. > :29:49.can I bring myself to vote for Trump? I mean... Other candidates

:29:50. > :29:51.are available. Yes, yes, but you vote, I would vote for Johnson or

:29:52. > :30:03.Trump, but... Looking at the debate, Clinton is so

:30:04. > :30:07.about the past. I look at her rant I see nothing but the past. She is

:30:08. > :30:12.very well prepared, going back to her record and all of that, but I

:30:13. > :30:17.don't associate with the future. In my head, it is so stuck in the past.

:30:18. > :30:22.It is very easy to just go there, that we have had the Clinton

:30:23. > :30:25.administration before, do we really want another one? Everything has

:30:26. > :30:33.entirely changed since that administration. What a small,

:30:34. > :30:40.like... I just... I honestly don't really... I can't... I don't know

:30:41. > :30:46.what to say. What I find infuriating is that they hold her accountable

:30:47. > :30:50.for things that are husbanded. When you had Bush Junior running, it

:30:51. > :30:54.would have been ludicrous for him to be held accountable for things that

:30:55. > :30:59.his father was doing. Why is she, who was not in a position of power

:31:00. > :31:04.at that time, she was First Lady, she was more of a ceremonial role,

:31:05. > :31:10.why is she being held accountable? That is politics, if you want the

:31:11. > :31:14.top job, it is how it is. Meanwhile, she uses her husband as an example

:31:15. > :31:26.of a time when the country was prosperous. That is fact. She can't

:31:27. > :31:29.have it both ways. I think that her record, since the Clinton

:31:30. > :31:35.administration left the office, there is a lot of stuff that people

:31:36. > :31:38.focus on, her own sins. The Clinton foundation money, hundreds of

:31:39. > :31:42.millions of dollars for speeches, I don't think you need to Yoko to Bill

:31:43. > :31:48.Clinton. There are tremendous amounts of Clinton scandals, but I

:31:49. > :31:53.don't see a lot of people blaming her for Clinton's scandals, I think

:31:54. > :31:56.it stands on her own. You may or may not be interested in these messages

:31:57. > :32:01.from British viewers. Actually, I had assumed they are British. Paul

:32:02. > :32:07.says there were no knockout punches but a clear win for cool-headed

:32:08. > :32:10.Hillary, wrote one to the lady. Matt says neck and neck, but they said

:32:11. > :32:17.Trump never had a chance, just like they said we would not vote out of

:32:18. > :32:20.the EU. Rachel said his lack of preparation was obvious, Clinton was

:32:21. > :32:24.much more prepared. Derek said I think it is that the USA can only

:32:25. > :32:28.find these two to choose from. Dan on Facebook said neither was very

:32:29. > :32:29.presidential. Two debates to go, thank you for

:32:30. > :32:31.coming on. You can see a full hour

:32:32. > :32:33.of highlights of the Presidential debate at 11am this morning and 8pm

:32:34. > :32:37.tonight on the BBC News Channel. And if you want to see it in full,

:32:38. > :32:46.you can watch it at 12.45 this An exclusive film on the women

:32:47. > :32:50.abandoned in South Asia by their British husbands.

:32:51. > :32:54.Welcome to the millions if you watching, to the performers from 25

:32:55. > :32:59.countries waiting nervously backstage. Andrew Marr brings Sir

:33:00. > :33:07.Terry, we will look at the life and career of the much loved star as it

:33:08. > :33:11.approaches the 50th anniversary of his first BBC radio broadcast -- and

:33:12. > :33:13.remembering Sir Terry Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:33:14. > :33:16.with a summary of today's news. The US presidential candidates

:33:17. > :33:18.Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have locked horns in the first

:33:19. > :33:21.of three televised debates before The pair clashed on economic policy

:33:22. > :33:25.with Mr Trump accusing his rival of having no plan to boost jobs,

:33:26. > :33:38.while Mrs Clinton accused him I will release my tax returns,

:33:39. > :33:41.against my lawyers' wishes, when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that

:33:42. > :33:47.have been deleted. He tried to switch from looks to

:33:48. > :33:54.stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:33:55. > :33:58.Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare tax force. The

:33:59. > :34:01.aim is looking at ways of providing more help for parents before

:34:02. > :34:05.children go to school. Shadow education and is a Angela Rayner

:34:06. > :34:07.will tell the party conference in Liverpool that every parent should

:34:08. > :34:08.have the right to quality, affordable childcare.

:34:09. > :34:10.The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:34:11. > :34:12.Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:34:13. > :34:20.offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:34:21. > :34:22.He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:34:23. > :34:24.Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:34:25. > :34:28.Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:34:29. > :34:30.they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:34:31. > :34:36.A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:34:37. > :34:40.Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:34:41. > :34:48.A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father

:34:49. > :34:51.and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called

:34:52. > :34:55.Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:34:56. > :34:58.Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack

:34:59. > :35:00.but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result

:35:01. > :35:04.of being strangled and had also been raped.

:35:05. > :35:10.Cheshire Mohammed should kill denies murder and her father denies being

:35:11. > :35:12.an accessory to murder. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:35:13. > :35:15.News - more at 10am. Here's some sport now

:35:16. > :35:16.with Olly Foster. Sir Dave Brailsford,

:35:17. > :35:18.the boss of Team Sky, says that he may look

:35:19. > :35:22.at making their cyclist's It follows the leak by Russian

:35:23. > :35:26.hackers revealing the details of dozens of Therapeutic Use

:35:27. > :35:30.Exemption Certificates, including three for Sir Bradley

:35:31. > :35:34.Wiggins before major races in which he gained permission to use

:35:35. > :35:36.what is normally a performance-enhancing steroid

:35:37. > :35:40.to treat his asthma. Brailsford says they didn't cheat

:35:41. > :35:43.and that there was a genuine Burnley have moved up four places

:35:44. > :35:47.in the Premier League to 13th after beating Watford

:35:48. > :35:50.2-0 at home last night. Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane

:35:51. > :35:54.with the goals. Two English teams

:35:55. > :35:56.are playing tonight. Leicester will be looking to make it

:35:57. > :36:00.two wins out of two. And with the start of the Ryder Cup

:36:01. > :36:06.just three days away, Bubba Watson has been added to USA

:36:07. > :36:09.team as an assistant captain. He missed out on a wild card pick

:36:10. > :36:23.to play in Minnessota. I will be back in about half an hour

:36:24. > :36:30.with an England cricketer. You tease, I would do that could

:36:31. > :36:33.be?! Olly Foster will be back at around ten of five.

:36:34. > :36:36.Next the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon their

:36:37. > :36:41.wives. It is still common for South Asian men in the UK to get married

:36:42. > :36:45.to women from the subcontinent, but in some cases the wives are then

:36:46. > :36:49.abandoned after being used for money and abused. New research by

:36:50. > :36:54.academics at Lincoln University recommends they should be treated as

:36:55. > :36:56.domestic violence victims in the UK and help to get justice. Catrin Nye

:36:57. > :37:38.brings this exclusive film. Men do this because it is so easy

:37:39. > :37:43.for them to get away with it. Not in a single case that

:37:44. > :37:46.I encountered was there any comeback for the men,

:37:47. > :37:48.no criminal prosecutions. What he gets away with is

:37:49. > :37:50.abusing women, gaining So we make it very easy for men

:37:51. > :37:54.to get away with this abuse. So I have come to Punjab

:37:55. > :37:57.in the north of India and I am here because this is a region

:37:58. > :38:01.with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that

:38:02. > :38:04.some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned

:38:05. > :38:07.bride happens when those wives are used for dowry,

:38:08. > :38:10.money paid by the bride's family to their husband's,

:38:11. > :38:12.abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming

:38:13. > :38:15.to the UK but most are taken back to India, often

:38:16. > :38:17.on a pretend holiday. I have come to meet Sunita,

:38:18. > :38:21.whose name I have changed. Her husband made that journey

:38:22. > :38:23.from the UK when they got Once Sunita's husband went back

:38:24. > :38:56.to the UK, things changed. Sunita also found out her husband

:38:57. > :39:00.was already married. Sunita's family also gave his around

:39:01. > :39:47.?4000 worth of gold. Her father is sitting

:39:48. > :39:51.near her as we talk. They are struggling for money

:39:52. > :39:55.and with the consequences What does it mean for

:39:56. > :40:00.the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned,

:40:01. > :40:02.it means the end of her Primarily because the assumption

:40:03. > :40:10.is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it

:40:11. > :40:15.cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other

:40:16. > :40:18.people in the family. So her sisters, for example,

:40:19. > :40:21.will find it harder to get married. She will find it very

:40:22. > :40:23.difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day

:40:24. > :40:33.financial insecurity. Anitha met more than 50 women

:40:34. > :40:36.in India who had been abandoned after marrying men living overseas,

:40:37. > :40:40.most of them in the UK. Some had paid as much

:40:41. > :40:45.as ?25,000 as a dowry. She met one woman raped by her

:40:46. > :40:52.new husband, and then abandoned. She started facing pressure

:40:53. > :40:55.from her mother-in-law, She came back from work

:40:56. > :40:59.and her mother-in-law gave her a glass of milk

:41:00. > :41:01.and she doesn't remember anything She woke up the next day

:41:02. > :41:05.with bruises all over her body. Is this how a relationship,

:41:06. > :41:16.a sexual relationship happens? Another woman was left in India

:41:17. > :41:19.and used as a domestic The food was served and was put

:41:20. > :41:28.on the floor and they would push it How do you feel about

:41:29. > :42:03.what happened to you? Many people living here

:42:04. > :42:08.in Punjab move overseas. So this building is somewhat

:42:09. > :42:12.immigration central in Punjab. This is where you come

:42:13. > :42:14.if you want English lessons, British immigration lawyer

:42:15. > :42:21.Harjap Bhangal comes here around once a month to advise people

:42:22. > :42:26.on immigration issues. We have had cases where guys

:42:27. > :42:28.from the UK have had girlfriends and have no

:42:29. > :42:30.intention of leaving them, I had a case last year,

:42:31. > :42:35.the guy was divorced and had had a kid from his previous marriage,

:42:36. > :42:38.he married here, and the first time that woman got to know

:42:39. > :42:41.about it was when she turned up He says he has been able to help

:42:42. > :42:49.women in the past that have been So we had a case once

:42:50. > :42:54.where there was a guy from the UK Brought to the UK, had a child

:42:55. > :43:00.there, and the whole motive So he brought the wife back

:43:01. > :43:05.on the pretence of a holiday, leaving the child in the UK,

:43:06. > :43:08.and then picked up her Technically, that is just

:43:09. > :43:12.keeping her away from her child. The police got involved

:43:13. > :43:17.with the embassy and managed to get her brought back to the UK,

:43:18. > :43:21.managed to get her husband arrested. But where the cases are where

:43:22. > :43:24.they have never been invited There's not much really the UK

:43:25. > :43:29.can really do about it. They can say, "Hold on,

:43:30. > :43:31.we've not got jurisdiction, Harjap is also going on local TV

:43:32. > :43:39.to give immigration advice. They interview doctors

:43:40. > :43:50.and accountants. He has had calls before

:43:51. > :43:52.from abandoned brides but this time, it is a husband that has

:43:53. > :44:26.been left behind. The best thing to do

:44:27. > :44:37.here is a report it to the police. Forced marriage is another problem

:44:38. > :44:40.raised, when marriages cross continents and husband and wife

:44:41. > :44:44.don't know each other well. In this case, the wife had a very

:44:45. > :44:47.good reason to not want her husband Harjap says he sees far more

:44:48. > :44:54.women abandoned the men. He thinks the British government

:44:55. > :44:57.needs to do something about it. There should be a law in the UK

:44:58. > :45:00.where even if deception is international, and the guy comes

:45:01. > :45:03.back to live in the UK, because he has used his passport

:45:04. > :45:09.to gain an advantage. Therefore, the UK Government should

:45:10. > :45:12.say to these people, "Right, you have abused your privilege

:45:13. > :45:15.as a British citizen and therefore, we are going to do

:45:16. > :45:26.something about it". This report by Lincoln University

:45:27. > :45:28.also calls for action Pragna Patel is a campaign

:45:29. > :45:36.and worked with academics What needs to be done

:45:37. > :45:40.to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised

:45:41. > :45:42.as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional,

:45:43. > :45:44.sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal

:45:45. > :45:54.avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection

:45:55. > :46:00.or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be

:46:01. > :46:04.available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's

:46:05. > :46:06.responsibility when these women are from South Asia,

:46:07. > :46:09.this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are

:46:10. > :46:12.British nationals. If the British state turns a blind

:46:13. > :46:15.eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that

:46:16. > :46:18.culture of impunity. These men are not held

:46:19. > :46:21.to account by anyone. Should the responsibility

:46:22. > :46:23.of the state not be Only last week, Southall Black

:46:24. > :46:33.Sisters had a case which involved a perpetrator abusing

:46:34. > :46:35.and abandoning women in five I think that in a globalised world,

:46:36. > :46:45.we have to wake up to the fact that violence in transnational spaces

:46:46. > :46:59.is a new and emerging form We will talk to a woman after

:47:00. > :47:03.10.30am who was abandoned. She will be here in the studio later.

:47:04. > :47:07.A special service to celebrate the life of Sir Terry Wogan will be

:47:08. > :47:10.held at Westminster Abbey today on the 50th anniversary of his first

:47:11. > :47:16.The radio and TV star died in January this year

:47:17. > :47:20.The Director-General of the BBC, Tony Hall will give the address -

:47:21. > :47:23.Radio 2 presenters Chris Evans and Ken Bruce are giving tributes

:47:24. > :47:25.and there will be a performance by Katie Melua

:47:26. > :47:30.In a moment we will speak to some people who knew him,

:47:31. > :47:34.but first here's a bit of genius from the late, great Wogan.

:47:35. > :47:40.Please welcome our knight of the realm, Sir Terry Wogan!

:47:41. > :47:47.Welcome to what I hope will be the beginning of a long

:47:48. > :47:50.How anyone could get such applause and still

:47:51. > :48:03.If being famous was there on offer, great.

:48:04. > :48:27.I could have been a disc jockey, yeah.

:48:28. > :48:32.Sir Terry has presented Children In Need for over 30 years.

:48:33. > :48:35.That's over 200 hours of live TV and pure

:48:36. > :49:00.Welcome once again to this programme, Maeve Binchy.

:49:01. > :49:03.When somebody like Maeve Binchy doesn't appear, when I had

:49:04. > :49:11.introduced her, that could only happen on a live show.

:49:12. > :49:13.She got stuck on the stairs coming down from hospitality.

:49:14. > :49:17.A man in a wheelchair was going up, she was trying to come down.

:49:18. > :49:26.I could be sitting here nice and neatly before you told me.

:49:27. > :49:34.Welcome to the millions of you watching, to the performers

:49:35. > :49:36.from 25 countries waiting nervously backstage, and to the 4000 fans

:49:37. > :49:48.Four knitting brides of Frankenstein.

:49:49. > :49:58.I will be putting those questions to you.

:49:59. > :50:01.Until we are together again in February.

:50:02. > :50:14.Let's talk now to some people who were close to him.

:50:15. > :50:16.Alan Dedicoat, a friend and broadcaster who worked

:50:17. > :50:22.And who is the voice of the balls on the Lottery and the

:50:23. > :50:40.And Norman who is a proud TOG - that's "Terry's

:50:41. > :50:48.I don't remember him looking particularly ill or anything. There

:50:49. > :50:52.were no clues. He disappeared. He shocked me, certainly, the night

:50:53. > :50:57.before Children in Need I got a text from the Director of The epic

:50:58. > :51:01.programme saying Terry has pulled out for health reasons. You think

:51:02. > :51:05.well, he would never have done that, not right at the last minute. So it

:51:06. > :51:09.must have been something serious. After that, we heard nothing. I sent

:51:10. > :51:12.him texts, e-mails, that sort of thing which he was all right with,

:51:13. > :51:16.he could do all that and would get back to me, but nothing came back.

:51:17. > :51:20.So we knew there was something, something wrong and then that shock

:51:21. > :51:24.news on the Sunday morning just came out of the blue. It was just

:51:25. > :51:29.amazing. Norman, there will be a lot of younger viewers who will not know

:51:30. > :51:35.about the TOGs, why don't you fill them in and tell them how Terry was

:51:36. > :51:38.a massive part of that? TOGs came about with Terry's daughter, she was

:51:39. > :51:43.talking to him when he went home from work and she said, "Have you

:51:44. > :51:49.been talking to the old geezers again?" He mention it and we all

:51:50. > :51:54.became TOGs, it is a state of mind. It is not a club or there is nothing

:51:55. > :51:59.that anybody can join, we have a Facebook page which is secret and

:52:00. > :52:04.hidden. You used to get together and Terry would come along Into We would

:52:05. > :52:08.go to his shows and do things like that and we would have fun in his

:52:09. > :52:13.name and we did a whole... And he would have fun at yours? We did,

:52:14. > :52:16.yeah. We did a host of fund-raising with him and everyone got behind

:52:17. > :52:22.Children in Need because he was the inspiration for that and the TOGs

:52:23. > :52:28.did that as a fund-raising effort. But if you went upstairs and

:52:29. > :52:32.thought, "Why have I come up here. You had no idea, you were a TOG."

:52:33. > :52:38.That was ta sort of thing. What was it like to be in the studio with him

:52:39. > :52:49.on the Breakfast Show on Radio 2? It was fantastic. It was a laugh from

:52:50. > :52:53.the minute he arrived. A lot of it we wouldn't transmit. A dark

:52:54. > :52:57.winter's morning he came in a pink cardigan because he put Helen's

:52:58. > :53:02.cardigan on. He just got dressed in the dark and that's what happened.

:53:03. > :53:09.On another occasion his producer used to sit-in with him and he used

:53:10. > :53:13.to sit on a bar stool basically and just as Terry opened the microphone

:53:14. > :53:16.to speak to the nation, the producer clambered on to the bar tool and I

:53:17. > :53:19.don't know whether it was trapped wind or what it was, but a noise

:53:20. > :53:24.came out and they were in fits of laughter and Terry said on air, "I

:53:25. > :53:28.shouldn't have to put up with this." He left the microphone on for two or

:53:29. > :53:33.three minutes and it was just solid laughter. It was such good fun. Jill

:53:34. > :53:38.is here. I'm glad you're not stuck in a lift somewhere. Come on to the

:53:39. > :53:43.programme. Flustered. You were a member of Terry's old geezers and

:53:44. > :53:50.gals. What did you love about him on the radio? The fun and the humour

:53:51. > :53:53.really. There wasn't a day that passed by where there wasn't

:53:54. > :53:58.something that had you in stitches and usually all of them as well and

:53:59. > :54:05.laughter is infectious. And you, Norman, you met your wife through

:54:06. > :54:10.it? I did. Helen was fund-raising with Terry and his old producer.

:54:11. > :54:15.They did a calendar thing and I helped out and I met Helen a couple

:54:16. > :54:19.of times at TOGs convention and we were both married at the time. We

:54:20. > :54:24.both got divorced and were single and we met one day at a romantic

:54:25. > :54:28.place, chiefly services on the M4! We fell in love that day and we have

:54:29. > :54:32.been together ever since! Terry took the credit for it after about two or

:54:33. > :54:38.three months when he knew we were actually together and weren't going

:54:39. > :54:43.to split up! I owe him my wife and my life because we gave up our jobs

:54:44. > :54:47.then to do fund-raising with him and it was just ten years... That's an

:54:48. > :54:53.incredible relationship with listeners, isn't it? It is

:54:54. > :54:57.incredible. It is unique, isn't it. What you saw is what you got. He was

:54:58. > :55:00.as genuine as anyone could be really. There is no side to him.

:55:01. > :55:05.There was no special Act because he was on the radio. He was the same on

:55:06. > :55:10.air as he was off air and that was fantastic. I loved the nicknames he

:55:11. > :55:19.had for various people in BBC management! Duky, that was the

:55:20. > :55:26.chairman. He He would sort of create fantastical lives? Yes, built at the

:55:27. > :55:30.back of Broadcasting House was Birt's Bee strode. He was having a

:55:31. > :55:40.bit of a go at them in a great way though. And only he do and get away

:55:41. > :55:44.with it! Frank used to pretend she was some kind of man eater, but she

:55:45. > :55:49.clearly wasn't, but from a listening point of view, you were drawn into

:55:50. > :55:52.that world? Yeah, he painted great pictures which is what radio is all

:55:53. > :55:56.about. He was good at including everybody. You thought he's talking

:55:57. > :56:01.to me now and it was as if he was talking to one person at a time. And

:56:02. > :56:04.there is never been another radio presenter since or before that that

:56:05. > :56:12.did that thing. Everyone was included. They all joined in the

:56:13. > :56:18.jokes. They all wrote in even if wasn't their e-mail and it became a

:56:19. > :56:25.trail. I think every subject became a snowball. Louise says, "I worked

:56:26. > :56:35.with Sir Terry years ago. I was hung over on Pim's and he told me it was

:56:36. > :56:39.one of my five a day." He said, "Who knows what horrors are to come, I

:56:40. > :56:46.do, I have seen the rehearsals." Another viewer says, "I loved Terry.

:56:47. > :56:50.He never took himself seriously." Les says, "Your short video

:56:51. > :56:55.featuring Sir Terry Wogan really sent a shiver up the spine. If

:56:56. > :56:59.laughter is a medicine and people say it is, we will live forever, I

:57:00. > :57:03.suspect, 15 years of solid laughter. It was fantastic. The service today

:57:04. > :57:07.is clearly going to be very poignant, but there are going to be

:57:08. > :57:11.some laughs, aren't there? Yes. And some surprises I'm told by the

:57:12. > :57:16.producer, yeah. All right, thank you, Jill, Norman,

:57:17. > :57:21.Alan, thank you. I know you're going straight to the service now. Tonight

:57:22. > :57:28.on Radio 2 at 10pm, there is a special programme, it is called

:57:29. > :57:35.Thank You For Being My Friend. That's Part 2 actually,

:57:36. > :57:37.Part 1 was last night and it was an absolutely lovely

:57:38. > :57:39.pgnant funny hour of radio. And this Friday on BBC One at 9pm -

:57:40. > :57:42.Sir Terry Wogan Remembered: The news and sport is coming up.

:57:43. > :58:00.Before that, let's get the weather. Across eastern parts of Norfolk over

:58:01. > :58:04.the past few hours, this was the glorious sunny scene. It won't last

:58:05. > :58:08.much longer. The cloud is on the way. Across much of the country, it

:58:09. > :58:12.is a much, much greyer picture. Skies not only grey, but

:58:13. > :58:15.particularly gloomy with outbreaks of rain as well. As you can see from

:58:16. > :58:19.here, one of our Weather Watcher shots in Guernsey. If you start the

:58:20. > :58:23.day grey, things are set to brighten up. It will take a little bit

:58:24. > :58:29.longer. This is the scene as we head to lunch time.

:58:30. > :58:33.Grey across central England and Wales. Mist and fog over the hills

:58:34. > :58:38.too. But reasonably mild and muggy out there. Bright enough towards the

:58:39. > :58:41.East Coast of East Anglia, but Northern England grey with further

:58:42. > :58:44.rain or drizzle. The sun is with us in Northern Ireland and continues

:58:45. > :58:48.for the rest of the day and by the afternoon much of Scotland except

:58:49. > :58:50.Shetland and parts of the borders will have brightened up, isolated

:58:51. > :58:56.showers in the Highlands and islands. A breeze blowing across the

:58:57. > :59:01.country. It is going to push the sunny conditions into Northern

:59:02. > :59:05.England and Wales. Most dry and even with the cloud,

:59:06. > :59:10.feeling warm enough, temperatures around 20 or 21 Celsius. This

:59:11. > :59:13.evening, it stays cloudy with patchy drizzle showers into the north of

:59:14. > :59:16.Scotland and we will focus on here tonight because it is not only here

:59:17. > :59:20.where we will see wet weather, but the strongest of the winds, 40,

:59:21. > :59:25.50mph gusts, even a little bit more. A wild night to come, before the

:59:26. > :59:27.winds ease later on. Enough of a breeze elsewhere across the UK to

:59:28. > :59:34.stop the temperatures dropping too much, we are looking at 12 to 14

:59:35. > :59:37.Celsius. For Wales, a dry and sunny start. A wet start for the morning

:59:38. > :59:40.rush hour across Northern Ireland. The breeze pushes the rain in across

:59:41. > :59:47.Scotland through the morning and afternoon. Some heavy bursts towards

:59:48. > :59:52.the north-west again and it turns grey and misty around western

:59:53. > :59:55.coasts. Across parts of south-eastern Scotland and to the

:59:56. > :59:59.east of Wales and across eastern parts of England, this is where we

:00:00. > :00:18.could see temperatures around 20 to 4 Celsius. 24 Celsius. Last night,

:00:19. > :00:23.you got to see a lovely view. We are likely to see further displays of

:00:24. > :00:27.aur roar ra over Scotland over the next few days. Enjoy your day.

:00:28. > :00:30.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:31. > :00:33.A fiery first clash in the race to the White House -

:00:34. > :00:35.Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton spar their way through 90 minutes

:00:36. > :00:38.of the most watched presidential debate in TV history.

:00:39. > :00:40.I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes,

:00:41. > :00:48.when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.

:00:49. > :00:50.He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:00:51. > :00:58.who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:00:59. > :01:00.The Daily Telegraph alleges that the England manager,

:01:01. > :01:02.Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

:01:03. > :01:07.the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

:01:08. > :01:26.We'll bring you some of the secret recordings.

:01:27. > :01:32.Also, the British Asian men who marry for money and then abandon

:01:33. > :01:36.their wives. Men do this because it's so easy for

:01:37. > :01:42.them to get away with it. Not in a single case that I have encountered

:01:43. > :01:46.was there any comeback for the men. And one DJ investigates the

:01:47. > :01:50.startling statistic that black men in Britain are 17 times more likely

:01:51. > :01:55.to suffer a serious mental health condition than white men.

:01:56. > :01:59.And going to be talking about Black health, because I think it is

:02:00. > :02:02.something that is very, very, very slapped on.

:02:03. > :02:05.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:06. > :02:07.The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

:02:08. > :02:10.have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before

:02:11. > :02:16.The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival

:02:17. > :02:19.of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him

:02:20. > :02:28.The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:02:29. > :02:30.Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:02:31. > :02:33.offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:02:34. > :02:37.He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:02:38. > :02:39.Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:02:40. > :02:48.We will be live at FA headquarters after this bulletin.

:02:49. > :02:51.Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:02:52. > :02:54.The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

:02:55. > :02:58.The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

:02:59. > :03:00.conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

:03:01. > :03:06.Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:03:07. > :03:08.they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:03:09. > :03:14.A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:03:15. > :03:19.Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:03:20. > :03:26.There are some other items of slight interest which were found yesterday,

:03:27. > :03:30.That is being analysed and looked at.

:03:31. > :03:32.That'll take a little bit of time to do.

:03:33. > :03:36.But slight interest is the point in relation to that at the moment.

:03:37. > :03:39.Every single item that we have found, those of you here yesterday

:03:40. > :03:43.saw the fingertip search taking place, everything is being carefully

:03:44. > :03:48.looked at and we are working through the same again today.

:03:49. > :03:51.You may see that we are not working in a line, grid by grid,

:03:52. > :03:55.As I said yesterday, that is based on the fact that

:03:56. > :03:58.I have a targeted approach to specific areas of interest based

:03:59. > :04:03.on the information we have managed to gather over the past 18 months.

:04:04. > :04:06.A Pakistani court has opened the trial against the father

:04:07. > :04:08.and ex-husband of a British woman allegedly killed in a so-called

:04:09. > :04:15.Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:04:16. > :04:19.It is thought she had been visiting family in the village of Pandori

:04:20. > :04:23.Her relatives initially said she had suffered a heart attack

:04:24. > :04:25.but a post-mortem examination confirmed she died as a result

:04:26. > :04:31.of being strangled and had also been raped.

:04:32. > :04:34.All users of the BBC's iPlayer service will have to log

:04:35. > :04:36.in with a personal account from early 2017.

:04:37. > :04:39.Users of BBC services can already create an online account -

:04:40. > :04:42.known as a BBC ID - but this is not currently required

:04:43. > :04:47.From today, BBC ID holders will have to add a postcode to their

:04:48. > :04:55.Astronomers have found more evidence that Jupiter's icy moon, Europa,

:04:56. > :05:01.The latest observation - uncovered by the Hubble space telescope -

:05:02. > :05:03.raises the prospect of samples from the water being

:05:04. > :05:08.Scientists say there may be microorganisms in Europa's

:05:09. > :05:14.vast ocean, which is covered with thick ice.

:05:15. > :05:17.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

:05:18. > :05:19.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:05:20. > :05:32.Thanks the messages. Quite a few about the US presidential debate.

:05:33. > :05:37.Let's a look. Phil on text says, sadly Donald Trump is his own worst

:05:38. > :05:40.enemy. Looks like the US will continued stagnation, debt and

:05:41. > :05:45.manipulation by a career politician if it is under Clinton. Dawn on

:05:46. > :05:50.Facebook said Clinton is the only choice. She is surrounded by people

:05:51. > :05:56.with experience, calm, rational people. Mr Trump comes across as an

:05:57. > :06:01.adolescent. Get inter choosing the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and then if

:06:02. > :06:02.you are charged you will view text you will be charged at the network

:06:03. > :06:05.rate. Here's some sport now

:06:06. > :06:13.with Olly Foster. I am joined by Ben Stokes. A big

:06:14. > :06:19.week for you and the team, heading to Bangladesh? Bangladesh and then

:06:20. > :06:24.India following that, and exciting winter. We are excited about the

:06:25. > :06:29.future, both as a one-day team and a test team. For the one-day matches,

:06:30. > :06:33.you will not have your captain, Eoin Morgan. He thought long and hard

:06:34. > :06:39.about the security and Bangladesh. I know you all did. He is not going,

:06:40. > :06:44.Alex Hales is staying at home. A difficult decision? For me, there

:06:45. > :06:53.were lots of things to take into consideration. Obviously, there was

:06:54. > :06:56.a lot of thoughts and the process that the ECB took to make a decision

:06:57. > :07:00.that, yeah, we would go. But I think they are good in saying that we will

:07:01. > :07:05.leave this situation up to you as individuals, if you want to go.

:07:06. > :07:09.After previous talks with the security guy, then speaking to him

:07:10. > :07:14.on more than one occasion, I felt that I would go. Eoin and Alex Hales

:07:15. > :07:21.have decided against it. We were told it was an individual decision.

:07:22. > :07:25.Lots of people were making lots of noise away from the England team,

:07:26. > :07:31.former players like Kevin Pietersen saying, you don't go, that will be a

:07:32. > :07:37.black mark against your name? He can comment on whatever, he is not in

:07:38. > :07:41.our environment. I think Alex and Eoin will only be fussed about

:07:42. > :07:45.people involved in the ECB at the moment and how they react. I think

:07:46. > :07:51.they know they have a full backing in their decision.

:07:52. > :07:55.A stop start, for you. Starting brilliantly with that double turn

:07:56. > :07:58.against South Africa, broke all sorts of records, then the final

:07:59. > :08:03.over when you were hit for four sixes in a row to lose the World Cup

:08:04. > :08:09.final. Then the injury. How do you look back at this year? It has been

:08:10. > :08:15.a roller-coaster, her pants down and up and down again. The Cape Town

:08:16. > :08:19.knock was something I wanted to build on, going forward, in the

:08:20. > :08:23.summer with England. And then the final was not something I wanted to

:08:24. > :08:28.build on, if you know what I mean? From one end of the spectrum to

:08:29. > :08:33.another. The injuries have been frustrating, I have not been able to

:08:34. > :08:38.play a full part this summer. I was lucky enough to finish well in the

:08:39. > :08:42.one-day series against Pakistan. We know that Bangladesh will be the

:08:43. > :08:48.warm up for one of the toughest tours in world cricket, India,

:08:49. > :08:52.following before Christmas? That will be very, very tough and long.

:08:53. > :08:59.Especially if you are in bold in all three formats. We want to be the

:09:00. > :09:02.number one test team in the world, going to places like India and

:09:03. > :09:06.performing well will give us a lot of good chance in doing that. We are

:09:07. > :09:11.under no illusions that it will be tough, it is all about build-up, it

:09:12. > :09:17.will be hard, hopefully we can do well. Good luck, Ben. Cheers. Ben

:09:18. > :09:22.Stokes, heading off to the tour of Bangladesh with England on Thursday.

:09:23. > :09:23.Thank you very much, Ben Stokes and Olly Foster.

:09:24. > :09:25.The Daily Telegraph has alleged that the England manager,

:09:26. > :09:28.Sam Allardyce, has offered advice on how to get around

:09:29. > :09:30.the Football Association's rules on player transfers.

:09:31. > :09:35.He was filmed by undercover reporters.

:09:36. > :09:38.The paper says Mr Allardyce told undercover reporters posing

:09:39. > :09:40.as fictitious businessmen that it was not a problem

:09:41. > :10:04.Richard Conway, the BBC's sports news correspondent,

:10:05. > :10:18.What is the Telegraph saying in detail? There is quite a lot of

:10:19. > :10:23.detail? There is. Two main strands to this, the first is that Sam

:10:24. > :10:26.Allardyce is agreeing in principle to a ?400,000 business deal whereby

:10:27. > :10:32.he would fly to Singapore or Hong Kong and speak to investors in those

:10:33. > :10:37.countries and make a keynote speech and talk to them at the bar about

:10:38. > :10:42.football and potential... The state of the game and investments.

:10:43. > :10:47.The second strand, potentially more serious for Sam Allardyce, relates

:10:48. > :10:50.to third-party ownership rules. To explain that briefly, it is whereby

:10:51. > :10:57.an investment company or individual 's own the financial stake in a

:10:58. > :11:03.player. It was outlawed by the FA in 2008, a la clawed by the world

:11:04. > :11:10.governing body, Fifa, last year. -- it was outlawed by the world

:11:11. > :11:15.governing body, Fifa, last year. He told these fake businessmen, these

:11:16. > :11:18.journalists, advice on how they could perhaps bypass regulations.

:11:19. > :11:24.That is potentially a bigger problem for him. Other things we should say,

:11:25. > :11:27.in relation to the ?400,000 deal, in those conversations Sam Allardyce

:11:28. > :11:32.said he would have to run that past is FA bosses, it was in principle,

:11:33. > :11:37.not fully signed off as a deal. But it is a difficult day ahead for Sam

:11:38. > :11:43.Allardyce and the FA. Has Sam Allardyce responded yet,

:11:44. > :11:48.what about the English FA? Nothing for Sam Allardyce. The Daily

:11:49. > :11:52.Telegraph says he was given 12 hours yesterday to respond to the claims

:11:53. > :11:56.and allegations but has not said anything publicly. We know he left

:11:57. > :12:00.home this morning in Bolton, we know that he and Martin Glenn, the chief

:12:01. > :12:06.executive of the FA, and Greg Clark, the new chairman of the FA, they are

:12:07. > :12:10.here. We expect there will be a meeting to discuss this. The FA is

:12:11. > :12:14.understood to have asked for video and transcripts from the Daily

:12:15. > :12:17.Telegraph to and they will review the situation. We wait to see

:12:18. > :12:22.whether Sam Allardyce will be at Wembley today. No sign this morning,

:12:23. > :12:26.it is all very quiet. We can expect this will want to be dealt with very

:12:27. > :12:31.quickly. Sam Allardyce is due to pick his England squad for his first

:12:32. > :12:36.home fixture at Wembley on Sunday, this is just 67 days into his reign

:12:37. > :12:39.as England manager, already the question about whether he can

:12:40. > :12:47.survive has been raised. He has wanted this job for so long,

:12:48. > :12:50.he has been in charge for one game. The question is about his judgment.

:12:51. > :12:55.These undercover reporters, posing as fictitious business people, he

:12:56. > :12:59.has never met them. He talked about his predecessor, Gary Neville, his

:13:00. > :13:06.employers, when he would not pick a player for the England team?

:13:07. > :13:11.Very indiscreet comments from Sam Allardyce on Gary Neville, the

:13:12. > :13:15.former assistant manager, on what Hodgson, who resigned as England

:13:16. > :13:18.manager following their poor performance at the European

:13:19. > :13:24.Championships this summer. It is those points that he makes, advice

:13:25. > :13:28.and offers on third-party ownership, which is perhaps the tricky part for

:13:29. > :13:32.Sam Allardyce and the football Association. The governing body of

:13:33. > :13:35.the sport in England, there is a question about whether their moral

:13:36. > :13:39.authority would be reduced when dealing with matters of third-party

:13:40. > :13:44.ownership in the future if their most high-profile employee is seen

:13:45. > :13:47.to be offering advice about how to bypass regulations. That is the

:13:48. > :13:51.conundrum that the FA will have to souls to get through this emerging

:13:52. > :14:01.crisis. Thank you very much for the moment,

:14:02. > :14:03.Richard Conway. Much more to come. Chris Arnie Mel

:14:04. > :14:05.says Sam Allardyce seems to have advised the fictitious businessmen

:14:06. > :14:09.to avoid any potentially illegal activity. What can be wrong with

:14:10. > :14:13.that? Sounds like a phishing expedition. Someone on Twitter says

:14:14. > :14:15.Big Sam has to go. Kenny says that football and greed seem to go

:14:16. > :14:16.together. Why are black men in the UK 17 times

:14:17. > :14:21.more likely to suffer serious mental Stay with us for a report

:14:22. > :14:24.by DJ Keith Dube. US pundits said this could be

:14:25. > :14:29.the make or break moment in the race And yet after the tense

:14:30. > :14:32.and often bitter exchanges of the Presidential Clinton-Trump

:14:33. > :14:34.debate, many remain undecided The candidates scrapped angrily over

:14:35. > :14:39.key policy areas such as defence and the economy,

:14:40. > :15:01.but there were moments I will release my tax returns

:15:02. > :15:05.against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that

:15:06. > :15:08.have been deleted. As soon as she releases them I will release my tax

:15:09. > :15:16.returns and that's against my lawyers. They say don't do it. I

:15:17. > :15:19.will tell you this, watching shows, reading the papers, almost every

:15:20. > :15:24.lawyer says you don't release your returns until the audit is complete.

:15:25. > :15:34.When the audit is complete I will do it. So it is negotiable? No, why did

:15:35. > :15:38.she delete 33,000... There was an agreement, we did ask you to be

:15:39. > :15:43.silent so it would be helpful for us, secretary Clinton? Well, I think

:15:44. > :15:47.you have seen other example bait and switch here. For 40 years everyone

:15:48. > :15:51.running for president has released their tax returns. You can go and

:15:52. > :15:56.see nearly, I think, 39, 40 years of our tax returns, but everyone has

:15:57. > :16:00.done it. We know the IRS made clear there is no prohibition on releasing

:16:01. > :16:05.it when you are under audit. So you've got to ask yourself why won't

:16:06. > :16:09.he release his tax returns? I think there maybe a couple of reasons.

:16:10. > :16:19.First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.

:16:20. > :16:22.Maybe he is not as charitable. We don't know his dealings, but we have

:16:23. > :16:28.been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650

:16:29. > :16:34.million to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the

:16:35. > :16:37.American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he paid

:16:38. > :16:41.nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody has ever

:16:42. > :16:44.seen were a couple of years when he to turn them over to State

:16:45. > :16:49.authorities when he was trying to get a casino licence and they showed

:16:50. > :16:57.he didn't pay any federal income tax. That makes me smart. If he paid

:16:58. > :17:03.zero, that means zero for vets, zero for schools or health and I think

:17:04. > :17:07.probably he's not all that enthusiastic about having the rest

:17:08. > :17:12.of our country see what the real reasons are because it must be

:17:13. > :17:16.something really important, even terrible, that he's trying to hide

:17:17. > :17:20.and the financial disclosure statement, they don't give you the

:17:21. > :17:23.tax rate, they don't give you all the details the tax returns would

:17:24. > :17:28.and it just seem to say me that this is something that the American

:17:29. > :17:34.people deserve to see and I have no reason to believe that he is ever

:17:35. > :17:38.going to release his tax returns because there is' something he's

:17:39. > :17:43.hiding and we'll keep guessing what it might be that he's hiding, but I

:17:44. > :17:46.think the question is where he never to get near the White House, what

:17:47. > :17:52.would be those conflicts? Who does he owe money to? Well, he owes you

:17:53. > :17:56.the answers to that and he should provide them. He also raised the

:17:57. > :18:00.issue of your e-mails, do you want to respond to that? I do. You know,

:18:01. > :18:08.I made a mistake using a private e-mail. That's for sure. If had to

:18:09. > :18:11.do it again, I would obviously do it differently, but I'm not going to

:18:12. > :18:15.make any excuses, it was a mistake and I take responsibility for that.

:18:16. > :18:19.Mr Trump? That was more than a mistake. That was done purposely.

:18:20. > :18:26.OK, that was not a mistake. That was done purposely. When you have your

:18:27. > :18:29.staff taking the Fifth amendment, taking the Fifth, so they're not

:18:30. > :18:34.prosecuted, when you have the man that set-up the illegal server,

:18:35. > :18:38.taking the Fifth, I think it is disgraceful and believe me, this

:18:39. > :18:43.country thinks it's disgraceful also. As far as my tax returns, you

:18:44. > :18:48.don't learn that much from tax returns, that I can tell you that.

:18:49. > :18:53.You learn a lot from financial disclosure and you should go down

:18:54. > :18:58.and take a look at that. I'm under leveraged. The report said 650 which

:18:59. > :19:02.by the way a lot of friends of mine said, "That's not a lot of money. It

:19:03. > :19:05.is not a lot of money." The buildings that were in question,

:19:06. > :19:10.they said in the same report, which was actually, it wasn't even a bad

:19:11. > :19:14.story to be honest with you, but the buildings are worth ?3.9 billion and

:19:15. > :19:18.the 650 isn't even on that, but it is not 650, it is much less than

:19:19. > :19:21.that. But I could give you a list of banks, if that would help you, I

:19:22. > :19:24.would give you a list of banks, these are fine institutions, very

:19:25. > :19:28.fine banks, I could do that very quickly. I'm under leveraged, I have

:19:29. > :19:36.a great company. I have a tremendous income and the reason I say that is

:19:37. > :19:39.not a brag docious way, it is about time this country had somebody

:19:40. > :19:49.running it that has been idea about money.

:19:50. > :19:56.It singled out black and Hispanic young men... No, you're wrong. It

:19:57. > :20:01.went before a judge who was a very against police judge. It was taken

:20:02. > :20:06.away from her and our mayor, our new mayor, refused to go forward with

:20:07. > :20:11.the case. They would have won an appeal. The argument is that it is a

:20:12. > :20:14.form of racial profiling? No, the argument is that we have to take the

:20:15. > :20:18.guns away from these people that have them and there are bad people

:20:19. > :20:24.that shouldn't have them. These are people that are bad people that

:20:25. > :20:29.shouldn't be, when you have 3,000 shootings in Chicago from January,

:20:30. > :20:35.1st, when you have 4,000 people killed in Chicago by guns, from the

:20:36. > :20:39.beginning of the presidency of Barack Obama, his hometown, you have

:20:40. > :20:51.to have stop and frisk. You need more police. You need a better

:20:52. > :20:54.community, you know, relations. In Chicago, it is terrible. I have

:20:55. > :21:00.property there. You go to Ferguson, you go to so many different places,

:21:01. > :21:03.you need better relationships, agree with secretary Clinton this, you

:21:04. > :21:06.need better relationships between the communities and the police

:21:07. > :21:10.because the people that are most affected by what is happening is

:21:11. > :21:14.African-American and Hispanic people and it is very unfair to them, what

:21:15. > :21:22.our politicians are allowing to happen. Secretary Clinton? Well, I

:21:23. > :21:30.have heard Donald say this at his rallies. It is really unfortunate he

:21:31. > :21:36.paints such a dire, negative picture of black communities in our country.

:21:37. > :21:41.The vibrancy of the Black Church, the black businesses that employ so

:21:42. > :21:46.many people, the opportunities that so many families are working to

:21:47. > :21:49.provide for their kids, there is a lot that we should be proud of and

:21:50. > :21:55.we should be supporting and lifting up. But we do always have to make

:21:56. > :22:00.sure we keep people safe. There are the right ways of doing it and then

:22:01. > :22:05.there are ways that are ineffective. Stop and frisk was found to be

:22:06. > :22:10.unconstitutional and in part because it was ineffective. It did not do

:22:11. > :22:14.what it needed to do and it is just a fact that if you're a young

:22:15. > :22:21.African American man and you do the same thing as a young white man, you

:22:22. > :22:27.are more likely to be arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated.

:22:28. > :22:31.So we've got to address the systemic racism in our Criminal Justice

:22:32. > :22:36.System. We cannot just say law and order, right now, we've got too many

:22:37. > :22:42.military-style weapons on the streets. In a lot of places our

:22:43. > :22:45.police are out gunned. We need come rehencive background checks and we

:22:46. > :22:51.need to keep guns out of the hands of those who will do harm and we

:22:52. > :22:55.finally need to pass a prohibition on anyone who is on the terrorist

:22:56. > :22:59.watch list from being able to buy a gun in our country. If you're too

:23:00. > :23:05.dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. You look at

:23:06. > :23:08.the inner cities and I just left Philadelphia and Detroit, I have

:23:09. > :23:12.been all over the place. You decided to stay home and that's OK! But I

:23:13. > :23:16.will tell you, I have been all over and I've met some of the greatest

:23:17. > :23:20.people I'll ever meet within these communities and they are very, very

:23:21. > :23:25.upset with what their politicians have told them and what their

:23:26. > :23:30.politicians have done. I think that, I think Donald just criticised me

:23:31. > :23:35.for preparing for this debate. And yes, I did. And you know what else I

:23:36. > :23:41.prepared for, I prepared to be president and I think that's a good

:23:42. > :23:46.thing. APPLAUSE Earlier this month you said

:23:47. > :23:51.she doesn't have a presidential look. She is standing here right

:23:52. > :23:55.now, what did you mean by that? She doesn't have the looks. She doesn't

:23:56. > :23:59.have the stamina. I said she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe

:24:00. > :24:04.she does have the stamina. To be president of this country, you need

:24:05. > :24:07.tremendous stamina. The quote was, "I don't think she has a

:24:08. > :24:12.presidential look." Did you ask me a question? You have to be able to

:24:13. > :24:17.negotiate our trade deals, you have to be able to negotiate, that's

:24:18. > :24:21.right, with Japan, with Saudi Arabia, I mean can you imagine we're

:24:22. > :24:24.defending Saudi Arabia and with all of the money they have, we're

:24:25. > :24:28.defending them and they're not paying, all you have to do is speak

:24:29. > :24:32.to them. You have so many different things you have to be able to do I

:24:33. > :24:40.don't believe that Hillary has the stamina. Let's let her respond.

:24:41. > :24:47.Well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and neglects a peace deal,

:24:48. > :24:52.a ceasefire, a release of dissidents and opening of new opportunities in

:24:53. > :24:56.nations around the world or even spends 11 hours testifying in front

:24:57. > :25:03.of a Congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina. The

:25:04. > :25:08.world... Let me tell you, let me tell you, Hillary has experience,

:25:09. > :25:12.but it is bad experience. We have made so many bad deals during the

:25:13. > :25:16.last, so she has got experience, that I agree, but it is bad, bad

:25:17. > :25:21.experience. Whether it is the Iran deal that you're so in love with,

:25:22. > :25:26.where we gave them ?150 billion, back whether it is the Iran deal,

:25:27. > :25:29.whether it's anything, you almost can't name a good daesmt I agree,

:25:30. > :25:34.she has got experience, but it is bad experience. And this country

:25:35. > :25:38.can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience.

:25:39. > :25:40.Let's talk now to some American voters who watched

:25:41. > :25:45.They're a married couple from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

:25:46. > :25:47.Bob is very pro-Mr Trump and Quinn can't stand Mr Trump.

:25:48. > :25:51.But she hasn't got much time for Hillary Clinton either.

:25:52. > :25:53.And Qasim Rashid is in Washington DC and he's

:25:54. > :26:04.Good morning. Quinn, what did you make of both candidates?

:26:05. > :26:12.Well, I have to say I'm not pro Hillary. I'm just anti- Trump. I

:26:13. > :26:16.this that he is the most unpresidential candidate we've ever

:26:17. > :26:24.had. And last night he showed that when

:26:25. > :26:29.he just constantly interrupted her during her two minutes answer

:26:30. > :26:41.questions. I think he is dishonest and disrespectful. He doesn't have

:26:42. > :26:50.enough talent and intelligence to stand on his own. Bob, what is it...

:26:51. > :26:56.Go on. I just think, they say Hillary is so dishonest, but I think

:26:57. > :27:01.he gets caught in a lot of lies himself when he won't release his

:27:02. > :27:05.tax returns and he admitted that he doesn't pay federal tax and he said

:27:06. > :27:11.to Hillary that makes him smart. Bob, what is it that appeals to you

:27:12. > :27:18.about Mr Trump when he is a turn off for your wife? Well, I like to refer

:27:19. > :27:22.to him as President Trump! He is the only person in this race who from

:27:23. > :27:26.day one has said, "Let's make America great again." How did he do

:27:27. > :27:32.in the debate? We are talking about the 90 minutes He was fantastic. He

:27:33. > :27:36.basically was the only person talking about issues that mattered

:27:37. > :27:40.to real Americans which are basically jobs, and our economy, and

:27:41. > :27:45.keeping our families and children safe. OK. And how define a real

:27:46. > :27:54.American? Is your wife a real American?

:27:55. > :27:56.We're not sure! LAUGHTER

:27:57. > :28:01.Kasim, how did Hillary Clinton do? You're a supporter of her's? Where

:28:02. > :28:05.did she get it wrong and where did she get it right? There is going to

:28:06. > :28:09.be no political candidate that you're going to support 100%. It

:28:10. > :28:14.doesn't work that way. If you want to find a candidate that you agree

:28:15. > :28:19.with completely then run for office yourself because it won't happen.

:28:20. > :28:24.Clinton was articulate, intelligent and didn't take the bait when Trump

:28:25. > :28:29.took cheap shots. She was interrupted three times as often as

:28:30. > :28:33.she interrupted Trump, but she maintained her composure and gave

:28:34. > :28:38.well thought out answers that were actually based on policy, not just

:28:39. > :28:47.this empty rhetoric of we're going to make America great, whatever that

:28:48. > :28:51.means and we are comments didn't have the constant overshadowing of

:28:52. > :28:54.racism which you saw from Donald Trump and that's going to be

:28:55. > :29:00.critical because the president is the President of all Americans, not

:29:01. > :29:04.just white males as Mr Trump seems to think the presidential office is

:29:05. > :29:09.supposed to be for. Well, Bob, do you think undecides, those people

:29:10. > :29:12.that he does have to win over Mr Trump, if he is to win the race will

:29:13. > :29:20.see that 90 minutes and it will help make up their minds? I really think

:29:21. > :29:24.that the people that are undecided, probably are better off with Trump

:29:25. > :29:29.than Hillary. I think, if Hillary were to get in there, it would be

:29:30. > :29:34.four more years of a Republican House and Senate and Democratic

:29:35. > :29:38.president and a whole lot of action wouldn't happen. I think if Donald

:29:39. > :29:43.Trump got in there, for once we got somebody who would stand up to

:29:44. > :29:51.Republicans and Democratic politicians and say, "Hey, guys, it

:29:52. > :29:54.is time to get things done and stop hiding in the past and taking too

:29:55. > :30:00.much time to get anything really accomplished in this country and it

:30:01. > :30:05.is time to move forward and help America versus just talking and

:30:06. > :30:09.getting nothing duvenlt" I think that's what Hillary was about, she

:30:10. > :30:15.talked, but she didn't have any real ideas. Donald wants to build a wall.

:30:16. > :30:21.He wants to keep illegals out of our countriment he wants to track what

:30:22. > :30:24.the people in our country are doing, he wants to produce jobs for

:30:25. > :30:25.Americans. Quinn, how do you respond to your

:30:26. > :30:34.husband? I think he says all those things,

:30:35. > :30:38.make America great again, but he never backs it up with any policy or

:30:39. > :30:48.how he will do that. Because, eight you know... It is all empty

:30:49. > :30:54.rhetoric, none of those things are actual policy proposals. Bob

:30:55. > :30:58.admitted the ridiculous of structuralism of Congress, but under

:30:59. > :31:06.the Obama administration the US economy has had the strongest growth

:31:07. > :31:11.in US history, with job growth. And that is with an obstructive policy,

:31:12. > :31:20.imagine working together under Clinton? It is taking zero job

:31:21. > :31:23.growth... I am going to pause there, but I thank you very much for

:31:24. > :31:33.getting up very early to speak to us. Bob and Quinn in Philadelphia,

:31:34. > :31:35.and Qasim in Washington. Thank you for speaking to the British viewers.

:31:36. > :31:37.You can see last night's Presidential debate in full

:31:38. > :31:39.at 12.45pm this lunchtime on BBC Parliament.

:31:40. > :31:45.We are waiting to hear from the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, in

:31:46. > :31:50.Turkey. He has been visiting refugee camps. We are waiting for a press

:31:51. > :31:54.conference to begin. He has met representatives of the Syrian

:31:55. > :31:58.opposition as well, we will bring you that when it starts.

:31:59. > :32:04.Thank you for your comments about Sir Terry Wogan. We spoke about him

:32:05. > :32:08.earlier, 50 years to the day that he did his first BBC radio broadcast.

:32:09. > :32:19.There is a service at Westminster Abbey this lunchtime, I think you

:32:20. > :32:22.can hear that on Radio 2 at midday. Look on Twitter says, I think the

:32:23. > :32:25.country finds it hard to believe that Terry Wogan is no longer with

:32:26. > :32:27.us. Dawn says that a few years ago she suffered... Found morning is

:32:28. > :32:30.very difficult because she suffered from anxiety. She put the radio one,

:32:31. > :32:34.feeling brave as that was something she would never do. She says, I

:32:35. > :32:39.recognised Sir Terry Wogan's voice, from then on he calmed me down, made

:32:40. > :32:44.me laugh and made me feel normal. I am OK now, but he turned my morning

:32:45. > :32:49.drive to joy. What a wonderful e-mail. David says,

:32:50. > :32:59.what a sad loss, Sir Terry, you will always live on in the lips of the

:33:00. > :33:02.living. Another text, I laughed my way to

:33:03. > :33:05.work for many years, arriving able to smile so much through the day.

:33:06. > :33:09.God bless, Terry. Still to come, married for the

:33:10. > :33:13.family's money and then abandoned, Catrin Nye has been in India

:33:14. > :33:17.speaking to whites left by British Asian husbands. -- speaking to the

:33:18. > :33:28.wide left. And blogger and DJ Keith Dube talks

:33:29. > :33:33.about her black men are more likely to end it with depression and mental

:33:34. > :33:36.illness than white men. -- end up with depression.

:33:37. > :33:38.With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:33:39. > :33:40.The US presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

:33:41. > :33:42.have locked horns in the first of three televised debates before

:33:43. > :33:47.The pair clashed on economic policy with Mr Trump accusing his rival

:33:48. > :33:49.of having no plan to boost jobs, while Mrs Clinton accused him

:33:50. > :33:53.I will release my tax returns, against my lawyers' wishes,

:33:54. > :33:59.when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.

:34:00. > :34:02.He tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man

:34:03. > :34:09.who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs.

:34:10. > :34:11.The Football Association is investigating claims in today's

:34:12. > :34:13.Daily Telegraph that the England manager, Sam Allardyce,

:34:14. > :34:20.offered advice on how to get around rules on the ownership of players.

:34:21. > :34:23.He was filmed by undercover reporters posing as businessmen.

:34:24. > :34:25.Allardyce, who is preparing for World Cup qualifiers,

:34:26. > :34:33.Labour is planning to set up what it called a childcare task force.

:34:34. > :34:36.The aim is to look at ways of providing more help for parents

:34:37. > :34:40.The Shadow Education Secretary, Angela Rayner, will tell the party

:34:41. > :34:43.conference in Liverpool that every parent should have the right

:34:44. > :34:49.Police searching for the missing toddler Ben Needham in Greece say

:34:50. > :34:52.they've found items of slight interest - including fabric -

:34:53. > :34:58.A team have been scouring an area on the island of Kos close to where

:34:59. > :35:03.Detectives believe he may have been buried there after being

:35:04. > :35:10.A Pakistani court has opened the trial of the ex-husband

:35:11. > :35:13.of a British woman allegedly murdered in a so-called

:35:14. > :35:16.Samia Shahid, from Bradford died in July in northern Punjab.

:35:17. > :35:18.Her relatives initially said she'd suffered a heart attack,

:35:19. > :35:20.but a post-mortem examination confirmed she'd been

:35:21. > :35:26.Chaudhry Muhammad Shakeel denies murder.

:35:27. > :35:28.Samia's father, Chaudhry Muhammad Shahid, denies

:35:29. > :35:37.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:35:38. > :35:42.Here's some sport now with Olly Foster.

:35:43. > :35:47.Sir Dave Brailsford, the boss of Team Sky,

:35:48. > :35:49.says that he may look at making their cyclists'

:35:50. > :35:53.It follows the leak by Russian hackers revealing the details

:35:54. > :35:56.of dozens of Therapeutic Use Exemption Certificates,

:35:57. > :35:59.including three for Sir Bradley Wiggins, before major races

:36:00. > :36:01.in which he gained permission to use what is normally

:36:02. > :36:04.a performance-enhancing steroid to treat his asthma.

:36:05. > :36:07.Brailsford says they didn't cheat and that there was a genuine

:36:08. > :36:13.Burnley have moved up four places in the Premier League to 13th

:36:14. > :36:16.after beating Watford 2-0 at home last night.

:36:17. > :36:19.Jeff Hendrick and Michael Keane with the goals.

:36:20. > :36:22.Two English teams are playing tonight.

:36:23. > :36:25.Leicester will be looking to make it two wins out of two.

:36:26. > :36:31.And with the start of the Ryder Cup just three days away,

:36:32. > :36:36.Bubba Watson has been added to USA team as an assistant captain.

:36:37. > :36:42.He missed out on a wild card pick to play in Minnessota.

:36:43. > :36:49.They have five assistant captains now.

:36:50. > :36:52.That is all yours bought this morning, Victoria.

:36:53. > :36:55.Thank you. Matt on Twitter says the FA are to punish Sam Allardyce by

:36:56. > :36:57.extending his England contract! This programme has been speaking

:36:58. > :37:00.exclusively to women who've suffered It's when women are brought

:37:01. > :37:03.from often India or Pakistan to the UK to marry British Asian men

:37:04. > :37:06.and then abandoned back Many have suffered domestic abuse

:37:07. > :37:10.and had money taken from them In a moment we'll be talking

:37:11. > :37:15.to Sabah, who was an abandoned wife, but Catrin Nye has been

:37:16. > :37:24.to India to investigate. So I have come to Punjab

:37:25. > :37:27.in the north of India and I am here because this is a region

:37:28. > :37:31.with strong family ties to the UK. That means this is a journey that

:37:32. > :37:34.some British Asian men still make The phenomenon of the abandoned

:37:35. > :37:38.bride happens when those wives are used for dowry,

:37:39. > :37:40.money paid by the bride's family to their husband's,

:37:41. > :37:45.abused and then dumped. Some are abandoned after coming

:37:46. > :37:48.to the UK but most are taken back to India, often

:37:49. > :37:52.on a pretend holiday. That is what happened to Sunita,

:37:53. > :37:57.whose name I have changed. She met a British Indian

:37:58. > :38:00.who went back to the UK What does it mean for

:38:01. > :38:30.the woman left behind? For the woman abandoned, it means

:38:31. > :38:33.the end of her status in society. Primarily because the assumption

:38:34. > :38:40.is she has had sex and that stigma is massive and it

:38:41. > :38:44.cannot be overcome. It has an impact on other

:38:45. > :38:48.people in the family. So her sisters, for example,

:38:49. > :38:51.will find it harder to get married. She will find it very

:38:52. > :38:53.difficult to get a job. She faces day-to-day

:38:54. > :38:58.financial insecurity. This report by Anitha and other

:38:59. > :39:00.academics at Lincoln University is calling for action

:39:01. > :39:02.from the British state Campaigner Pragna Patel worked

:39:03. > :39:08.with them on the research. What needs to be

:39:09. > :39:11.done to tackle this? Abandonment should be recognised

:39:12. > :39:15.as an aspect of domestic violence because it involves emotional,

:39:16. > :39:18.sexual, financial, physical, Once it is, then all the legal

:39:19. > :39:25.avenues should be open to women, either to seek protection

:39:26. > :39:27.or prosecution or other legal remedies that would be

:39:28. > :39:36.available to abandoned women. Is it the British state's

:39:37. > :39:38.responsibility when these women are from South Asia,

:39:39. > :39:41.this is happening in South Asia? The perpetrators are

:39:42. > :39:43.British nationals. If the British state turns a blind

:39:44. > :39:48.eye or is indifferent to this, then it is contributing to that

:39:49. > :39:50.culture of impunity. These men are not held

:39:51. > :39:56.to account by anyone. I've been speaking to

:39:57. > :39:59.Radhika Handa who works with the Southall Black Sisters

:40:00. > :40:02.to help wives abandoned in their home countries and also Sabah -

:40:03. > :40:06.who asked us not to use her suname. Sabah married a British man

:40:07. > :40:09.and was left behind in Pakistan. I asked her if she had any

:40:10. > :40:22.suspicions about her husband Everything was going fine, and their

:40:23. > :40:27.behaviour was really nice. But I never, ever speak to my husband,

:40:28. > :40:32.like, before my marriage. We don't know each other. It was just

:40:33. > :40:37.arranged marriage. When did you realise that you had been abandoned?

:40:38. > :40:41.I never, ever realised. They never showed me anything. But when was it

:40:42. > :40:48.clear that your husband, who had left you and come back to Britain,

:40:49. > :40:56.wasn't coming back? Actually, when I... When he took my baby from me.

:40:57. > :41:04.That time I was at my parents' house, and he came to me and he

:41:05. > :41:13.said, like, I need my child, some of my relatives need him. And he just

:41:14. > :41:18.took him from me. After one hour, I called and said, OK, I'm coming in

:41:19. > :41:22.awhile. But he didn't come. I tried to call him again and again and

:41:23. > :41:29.again and by, like, three o'clock in the late nights, his phone was

:41:30. > :41:32.switched off. I tried to call to my mother-in-law. He was with my

:41:33. > :41:36.mother-in-law that time. Her phone was switched off. I was a little bit

:41:37. > :41:46.worried. I was thinking that maybe the battery was down. But nobody,

:41:47. > :41:50.like... Everyone's phones were switched off. I called to my

:41:51. > :41:56.father-in-law in London, that time he was here. I asked for him, where

:41:57. > :42:03.is my kid? Where are all the family members? You said, I don't know,

:42:04. > :42:09.they must be in Pakistan. But after 12-macro hours I called immigration

:42:10. > :42:15.at the airports, I told them I am looking for my baby. They told me

:42:16. > :42:20.that these persons had left Pakistan. So not only had he

:42:21. > :42:27.abandoned you but he had abducted your child? Adapted my child, and

:42:28. > :42:33.took my travel documents as well. -- abducted my child. Well. Radhika,

:42:34. > :42:39.you have worked with Sabah, you have brought her to the UK and reunited

:42:40. > :42:44.her with her child. That does not always happen, does it? That is

:42:45. > :42:49.right. Southall Black Sisters were able to help Sabah and help her come

:42:50. > :42:53.back into the country. In a sense, although Sabah's situation is

:42:54. > :42:58.entirely tragic, she is lucky in the sense that many women are still

:42:59. > :43:02.stranded in countries like India and Pakistan, unaware of their rights,

:43:03. > :43:09.often separated from children and unable to access justice. How

:43:10. > :43:14.serious are the consequences for the abandoned wife? Enormous. In many

:43:15. > :43:17.communities there is a great stigma attached to being abandoned,

:43:18. > :43:22.separated or divorced, even against the will of the woman. She is often

:43:23. > :43:28.treated like an outcast, some people think are separated woman is a bad

:43:29. > :43:32.omen so they are ostracised from society, left destitute, traumatised

:43:33. > :43:36.and stripped of their rights. Why are British Asian men doing this?

:43:37. > :43:41.Some of the research from the University draws parallel between

:43:42. > :43:47.the number of women who have suffered diarrhoea abuse, which

:43:48. > :43:50.Sabah suffered. Dowry abuse, it is a very old custom, not just limited to

:43:51. > :43:54.South Asia, but it typically involves the family of the bride

:43:55. > :44:02.giving gifts, sometimes cash, gold, sometimes land, to the bride's

:44:03. > :44:07.family. To the groom's family. Forgive me, to the groom's family.

:44:08. > :44:12.Historically that is because women had very few inheritance rights, so

:44:13. > :44:16.it was in place of those. But what seems to be happening in a lot of

:44:17. > :44:20.cases is that these abandonment cases are a way of the groom's

:44:21. > :44:26.family extract in many macro and gifts from the family of the bride.

:44:27. > :44:31.Abandonment does not happen out of context, it happens in the context

:44:32. > :44:35.of domestic violence. Sabah was treated very badly by her in-laws

:44:36. > :44:41.and husband, treated at times like a servant. Even when she was pregnant

:44:42. > :44:45.she was treated very badly. Sadly, these families are essentially

:44:46. > :44:48.discard women, they trick them into going to their home countries and

:44:49. > :44:58.leave them there. Sabah realised very quickly what had happened to

:44:59. > :45:01.her, but some women rely on reassurances from their in-laws and

:45:02. > :45:03.their husbands that say, we will come back and get you. Southall

:45:04. > :45:06.Black Sisters has a proposal to bring abandonment under the umbrella

:45:07. > :45:11.of domestic abuse legislation in this country. Why would that stop

:45:12. > :45:15.men from doing this? A number of reasons. Abandonment has all the

:45:16. > :45:20.features of domestic violence, emotional abuse, financial abuse,

:45:21. > :45:25.controlling and coercive behaviour. One thing that recognising it as

:45:26. > :45:28.domestic violence would do is send a very powerful symbolic message that

:45:29. > :45:33.there is growing awareness of this issue and there will not be impunity

:45:34. > :45:41.for the perpetrators. The other massive difference it would make two

:45:42. > :45:43.women in the position of Sabah is that state agencies like courts,

:45:44. > :45:46.immigration authorities and international authorities would have

:45:47. > :45:50.to protect them, as they protect other domestic violence survivors.

:45:51. > :45:54.The courts would need to afford them the same protection and rights. If

:45:55. > :45:58.your marriage breaks down in this country as a result of domestic

:45:59. > :46:02.violence and you have insecure immigration status, you may be

:46:03. > :46:07.entitled to apply for indefinitely to remain. So it would afford women

:46:08. > :46:11.protection of immigration position. Because what typically happens is

:46:12. > :46:16.that women whose spousal visas are about to expire, that is when they

:46:17. > :46:25.are abandoned. Despite calculated. Once they are abandoned, their

:46:26. > :46:27.status in this country disappears, it is enormously difficult for them

:46:28. > :46:31.to come back. Thank you both for talking to us.

:46:32. > :46:35.Logging on and logging in - anyone who users the BBC's iPlayer

:46:36. > :46:37.will have to get a personal account from early next year.

:46:38. > :46:39.We'll be looking at how it will work.

:46:40. > :46:42.If you're a black man in Britain you're 17 times more likely

:46:43. > :46:45.to suffer from serious mental health condition than if you're white.

:46:46. > :46:48.It's a startling statistic and it led blogger and radio DJ Keith Dube

:46:49. > :46:50.to make a film for the BBC to investigate why.

:46:51. > :46:52.His film Being Black, Going Crazy goes live

:46:53. > :47:05.I'm Keith Dube also known as Mr Exposed. I'm a blogger and I host a

:47:06. > :47:09.breakfast show on one of London's newest radio stations. Please call

:47:10. > :47:14.in today. We want to hear your experiences. Behind the microphone I

:47:15. > :47:17.used to have a big secret. I was diagnosed with depression a few

:47:18. > :47:21.years ago. It was the hollow feeling of worthlessness. And there is times

:47:22. > :47:25.when you're supposed to be happy and you can't feel happy. That's when I

:47:26. > :47:29.realised that something is really wrong here. It was a horrible

:47:30. > :47:32.experience. It was very confusing because black people don't do

:47:33. > :47:37.menltal illness, it is not something you grow up hearing a lot about. Why

:47:38. > :47:40.did I get depressed? When I was younger I was obsessed with money

:47:41. > :47:44.and status and I broke the rules to get it. Over time, that lifestyle

:47:45. > :47:52.impacted more and more on my state of mind.

:47:53. > :47:55.I think my lowest point was when I was continually waking up thinking,

:47:56. > :48:01."I don't want to live anymore." For over two years, I didn't utter a

:48:02. > :48:09.single word about my depression to anyone, I was too ashame but then I

:48:10. > :48:14.decided to out myself. I wrote a blog and closed my laptop and went

:48:15. > :48:20.to sleep and then I woke up and I had a crazy amount of messages from

:48:21. > :48:24.people. And I realised there were people going through the things that

:48:25. > :48:30.was. After that response, I started to look into black mental health and

:48:31. > :48:33.what I found shocking. I was 17 times more likely to be diagnosed

:48:34. > :48:37.with a serious mental health issue. That's scary and I'm six times more

:48:38. > :48:42.likely than a white man to be an inpatient or sectioned to a mental

:48:43. > :48:46.health hospital. Want to find out what's going on. I want to find out

:48:47. > :48:49.why black people are more likely to end up with a mental illness, what's

:48:50. > :48:59.the cause and what can we do about it? What can we did to stop it np

:49:00. > :49:03.it? Even though I struggled with my depression for years, I was lucky

:49:04. > :49:07.that I never had to be admitted to into a mental health unit. But every

:49:08. > :49:12.year, thousands of black people do end up here, and many of them are

:49:13. > :49:18.detained against their will under the Mental Health Act.

:49:19. > :49:25.I want to find out why and how this is happening. What kind of

:49:26. > :49:32.conditions do those people come in here with? Schizophrenia,

:49:33. > :49:37.depression, anxiety, psychotic depression. How does your assessment

:49:38. > :49:43.process work? We have two assessment rooms. It is just soft chairs, the

:49:44. > :49:46.patient normally stays here with their relatives, with the police and

:49:47. > :49:50.sometimes we need the police to stay, we need to search the patient

:49:51. > :49:55.and we need to search their bag if case they have any sharps, we don't

:49:56. > :49:58.want them to harm themselves. A lot of black patients feel like they are

:49:59. > :50:03.treated dimply from their white counterparts. Is there any truth to

:50:04. > :50:08.that? It happens, but I wouldn't say on the whole that's what the staff

:50:09. > :50:13.do. As a black woman, would you be worried about coming through the

:50:14. > :50:17.mental health system? Maybe if I didn't have any knowledge of mental

:50:18. > :50:23.health I probably would be worried. I would be worried about going

:50:24. > :50:30.anywhere because I have so many things, being a black woman. To find

:50:31. > :50:34.out just how it feels to be sectioned, I'm meeting Kameta. She

:50:35. > :50:39.has been in and out of hospital since 2010 and suffers from bipolar

:50:40. > :50:43.disorder, a condition where your moods can swing interest one extreme

:50:44. > :50:51.to another. How did you find yourself here? My first admission

:50:52. > :50:56.was in 2010 at the birth of my son. So after I gave birth it was quite a

:50:57. > :50:59.difficult birth, I lost two litres of blood and I went home and tried

:51:00. > :51:04.to relax, but I wasn't fully recovered. So my mum thought

:51:05. > :51:09.something was wrong. I then went to a GP and when I was at the GP

:51:10. > :51:14.apparently they, no one from the early intervention team was

:51:15. > :51:18.available so they called the police. So five policemen came into the GP

:51:19. > :51:22.and held me down. Physically held me down to the floor because no woman

:51:23. > :51:26.in their right mind is going to give up their six-month-old. Wow, how did

:51:27. > :51:30.that make you feel at the time? Words cannot describe the pain,

:51:31. > :51:33.yeah. Even now I have a lot of pain. What's your experience been like

:51:34. > :51:37.since then? How many times have you been in hospital? About three to

:51:38. > :51:44.four times I have been to hospital. I felt it is like taken a chunk of

:51:45. > :51:48.my life away and it just made me so frustrated at times, yeah. I try to

:51:49. > :51:52.do too much and if I do too much then I can become unwell again and

:51:53. > :51:56.then be back in hospital, you know, because with me I get manic

:51:57. > :52:02.episodes. I don't get depressed, I just get manic. It is not easy, but

:52:03. > :52:06.thank you very much. Thank you. My heart goes out to Kameta for what

:52:07. > :52:11.she has been through, but I have no idea if she would be treated any

:52:12. > :52:14.differently if she was white. How normal is experience is this for

:52:15. > :52:18.black people getting sectioned? Twice a week I host a show on

:52:19. > :52:21.internet radio and I want to ask my listeners what they think. We will

:52:22. > :52:25.be talking about plaque mental health because I think it is

:52:26. > :52:30.something that's very, very, very slept on. We have got an amazing

:52:31. > :52:34.guest on the Show today. He is a sky doll gist, I will be spaking to him

:52:35. > :52:37.and seeing what he has seen in his 25 years in the mental health

:52:38. > :52:42.industry. Good morning. Tell us about you and what you do. At the

:52:43. > :52:49.moment I manage mental health services. We look after around 450

:52:50. > :52:54.people with severe mental illness. We have got a caller on the line.

:52:55. > :52:58.I'm actually a carer for my mum. My mum has been sectioned quite a few

:52:59. > :53:01.times, but it has always been something where the sectioning has,

:53:02. > :53:05.well in my opinion been very unreasonable. Were you given support

:53:06. > :53:09.to understand what was going on for your mum? Not really. The way the

:53:10. > :53:12.sectioning works, for example if someone reports someone, they will

:53:13. > :53:16.section first and they will explain later. That's not how the Act is

:53:17. > :53:21.supposed to work. We must work with families. You are the people who are

:53:22. > :53:24.closest, you are the people who have the most information. I would

:53:25. > :53:27.encourage you to not accept that, demand that the family are more

:53:28. > :53:34.involved. That's not something that's easy to talk about so we're

:53:35. > :53:37.grateful for your input. We are 17 times more likely to be dmougsed

:53:38. > :53:43.with a serious, you know, mental condition. When I look at the

:53:44. > :53:47.picture across Britain, it is pretty bad. You are more likely to be

:53:48. > :53:51.diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia, you are more less

:53:52. > :53:54.likely to get any talking treatment. You're much more likely to be held

:53:55. > :53:58.under compulsion of the Mental Health Act. You're going to be

:53:59. > :54:01.sectioned. You're going to be locked up and you'll get higher doses of

:54:02. > :54:05.medication, it is pretty rough. Why is it that black people are

:54:06. > :54:09.diagnosed? Why are we put in that box? Black people when they go for

:54:10. > :54:14.help are generally seen as more dangerous so they are more likely to

:54:15. > :54:18.get a more severe diagnosis. It is shocking to hear someone who

:54:19. > :54:21.works in mental health say we're seen as more dangerous and it goes a

:54:22. > :54:27.long way to explaining the stats. And you can see the whole

:54:28. > :54:30.of that 30 minute film from 10am this morning,

:54:31. > :54:33.online, on BBC3. From today, seven million of us

:54:34. > :54:35.who've registered to use BBC services such as the iPlayer will be

:54:36. > :54:44.asked for our postcode. Why? What are these reforms about?

:54:45. > :54:48.Well, I suppose it is a TV licence for a digital age. Gone are the days

:54:49. > :54:51.of the family crowding together around a small TV on a Sunday

:54:52. > :54:55.evening watching variety shows. These days people want to watch,

:54:56. > :54:59.especially the younger generation, what they want, when they want on an

:55:00. > :55:03.increasing range of devices. The problem for the BBC has been the

:55:04. > :55:07.iplayer loophole, anyone watching us live would have to pay, if you watch

:55:08. > :55:10.us on catch-up, you wouldn't have to pay necessarily the licence fee.

:55:11. > :55:15.That's changed. Since the start of this month, you do have to have a TV

:55:16. > :55:20.licence to watch at any time on iplayer. This is the start of a long

:55:21. > :55:25.process of enforce that. Users of BBC services can already have an ID,

:55:26. > :55:28.BBC ID, it is just an e-mail and a was pord, but that's going to change

:55:29. > :55:34.to a postcode will be required as well. And from 2017 all this will be

:55:35. > :55:39.mandatory. It has been voluntary and it will be mandatory. So will the

:55:40. > :55:44.information be passed to TV Licensing? The Corporation says the

:55:45. > :55:48.rules are working. 130,000 prosecutions a year. You could be

:55:49. > :55:52.fined up to ?1,000 and you could face jail if you refuse to pay up.

:55:53. > :55:56.So far, seven million of us have signed up for the licences. So the

:55:57. > :56:00.carrot approach at the moment is working, but don't rule out the

:56:01. > :56:04.stick being wielded at some point. They say they will be handing this

:56:05. > :56:07.information to TV Licensing and it could be used for enforcement.

:56:08. > :56:12.Is this also a way then for the BBC to get more information, to gather

:56:13. > :56:18.more information about its audience? Absolutely. It wants to personalise

:56:19. > :56:21.content. Lord Hall said it today by learning what you want and what you

:56:22. > :56:24.like, we can take you to more of the great programmes you love. This

:56:25. > :56:29.happens in our daily lives anyway, when you are on social media and

:56:30. > :56:33.reading an article online, things pop up at you, so things will be

:56:34. > :56:37.working like this, you like there, you might like that, but behind this

:56:38. > :56:40.is money. The BBC, is under huge pressure, financially they will have

:56:41. > :56:44.to start funding the licence fees for over # 5s, that will cost ?650

:56:45. > :56:48.million, they need it make money. This is about personalising the BBC,

:56:49. > :56:50.but making sure you do pay for it. Thank you very much, Mar drrks,

:56:51. > :57:03.thank you. Boris Johnson is in Turkey. He hopes

:57:04. > :57:06.for a new trade deal. We would have brought you his press conference

:57:07. > :57:11.live, but there wasn't an English translation. Boris Johnson saying he

:57:12. > :57:13.hopes there will be a new jumbo free trade deal between Britain and

:57:14. > :57:27.Turkey. Thank you for your messages. On Sam

:57:28. > :57:32.Allardyce Ian says, "These football managers are paid a fortune. If the

:57:33. > :57:36.allegations are true, it would be sheer greed." This texter who

:57:37. > :57:41.doesn't leave their name says, "Here we go again, our press destroying

:57:42. > :57:45.the England manager. We don't need our country's scouts to spy on our

:57:46. > :57:50.football team, our press will do it for them." So it is OK for people to

:57:51. > :57:57.pose as businessman in an attempt to set him up, that's disgusting." On

:57:58. > :58:01.Sir Terry Wogan, the service begins at Westminster Abbey to remember his

:58:02. > :58:10.life. Daniel says, "Best ever BBC presenter. He was dry, he was wit yu

:58:11. > :58:13.and self dep pravating. God bless the TOGs, I bet he's loving the

:58:14. > :58:20.after life party." Thank you very much for those.

:58:21. > :58:28.Tomorrow we have a report on the gaming industry about women seeking

:58:29. > :58:32.to earn a living in live gaming. Behind the genteel facades

:58:33. > :58:36.of Victorian London's streets,