06/10/2016

:00:19. > :00:20.Hello it's Thursday it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:21. > :00:24.Our top story - Two million people are urged to flee their homes

:00:25. > :00:26.in America as Hurricane Matthew approaches the Florida coast.

:00:27. > :00:28.With strong winds battering the Bahamas and more

:00:29. > :00:30.than ten deaths in Haiti, we'll have the latest

:00:31. > :00:35.Vicky Balch who lost a leg in the Smiler roller-coaster crash

:00:36. > :00:37.at Alton Towers tells us there's no point being angry

:00:38. > :00:45.I don't see the point of being angry, does not necessarily get you

:00:46. > :00:51.anywhere. Not anyone's file. You have to be angry at something. Not

:00:52. > :00:57.got anything to be angry about. Things could have turned out worse.

:00:58. > :01:00.I'm still here, I can get on. And we'll be talking to a woman

:01:01. > :01:03.whose husband died after a private ambulance crew failed to spot

:01:04. > :01:10.he was having a heart attack. We will ask if the growing use of

:01:11. > :01:22.private ambulances could put patients at risk.

:01:23. > :01:29.We are live until 11 this morning. We will talk to a woman photographer

:01:30. > :01:35.who complained to the FA after the chairman of a non-league club told

:01:36. > :01:40.her a woman's place was in the kitchen or bedroom. Kylie Minogue is

:01:41. > :01:44.delaying marriage until same-sex marriage is legal in Australia. We

:01:45. > :01:50.will talk to one of her friends. Get in touch using the hashtag. If you

:01:51. > :01:53.text, you will be charged the standard network rate.

:01:54. > :01:56.At least 23 people have died after Hurricane Matthew hit

:01:57. > :02:00.Rescue workers are struggling to reach parts of the country cut

:02:01. > :02:02.off by the most powerful Caribbean hurricane in nearly a decade.

:02:03. > :02:05.Hundreds of thousands of people in Florida and South Carolina have

:02:06. > :02:07.been told to evacuate as Hurricane Matthew moves

:02:08. > :02:10.The governor of Florida has warned the damage

:02:11. > :02:29.On the east coast of Cuba they are beginning the long clean-up. It

:02:30. > :02:37.might not be the same damage as in Haiti, but Harry Kane Matthew has

:02:38. > :02:41.still been hit. They are waiting in the Bahamas for the destruction. All

:02:42. > :02:46.air traffic has been stopped, people stocking up on supplies before

:02:47. > :02:53.heading for higher ground. The fear is, as it goes over the warm waters,

:02:54. > :02:56.the force of Matthew Coutts strengthen as it heads for the

:02:57. > :03:00.south-east corner of the United States. The potential damage is

:03:01. > :03:05.expected to linger for days to come. On the east coast of Florida they

:03:06. > :03:09.are used to big storms. People are being urged not to underestimate the

:03:10. > :03:15.scale of what is heading their way. This is a dangerous storm. Never too

:03:16. > :03:21.early to evacuate. If you live in a low-lying area, on Barry Island, or

:03:22. > :03:27.areas prone to flooding, get out. Do not wait for an order, get out now.

:03:28. > :03:32.Further north, in South Carolina, the traffic may be moving slowly,

:03:33. > :03:36.all going in the same direction. For the first time authorities diverging

:03:37. > :03:41.all lanes to head west away from Matthew's path. Hundreds of school

:03:42. > :03:50.buses filled by those without cars. Still to judge to tell how severe

:03:51. > :03:51.this could be. Authorities want to prepare for the worst while hoping

:03:52. > :03:53.for the best. The storm is now heading

:03:54. > :03:56.to the Bahamas where all air and sea Brett Adair is a meteorologist

:03:57. > :04:14.on the Bahamas, where they've been We are preparing for the worst as it

:04:15. > :04:19.heads for the Bahamas. You can see the harbour. Some of the boats that

:04:20. > :04:24.have been crashing up against the docks, as these seas get more

:04:25. > :04:31.ferocious. As Matthew comes closer to the mainland. Everybody prepared,

:04:32. > :04:37.having all of their shutters and are boarded up. Everybody hunkering down

:04:38. > :04:43.for the long haul. We will hear from the Red Cross on the impact, what

:04:44. > :04:45.they are trying to do to protect the lives and property on the islands.

:04:46. > :04:48.Stay with us for that. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

:04:49. > :04:50.Newsroom with a summary Fracking for shale gas could be

:04:51. > :04:55.given the go-ahead today. The Communities Secretary,

:04:56. > :04:57.Sajid Javid, is due to announce a decision about two sites

:04:58. > :04:59.in the North-west of England. Last year, Lancashire County Council

:05:00. > :05:01.rejected applications to frack by the energy firm,

:05:02. > :05:03.Caudrilla. The company appealed,

:05:04. > :05:04.and the government said it would make the final ruling

:05:05. > :05:07.because of the importance Our Industry Correspondent John

:05:08. > :05:19.Moylan reports. These were the scenes in June last

:05:20. > :05:23.year when plans to explore for shale gas were thrown out

:05:24. > :05:25.of Lancashire County Council. But the government believes this

:05:26. > :05:27.decision on fracking Elizabeth and Barry Warren live

:05:28. > :05:55.near one of the proposed fracking They have been fighting

:05:56. > :05:58.the plans for over two years. It is very close

:05:59. > :06:00.to where people live. It will destroy their lives

:06:01. > :06:05.and the lives of people who use this This is the backyard of Blackpool

:06:06. > :06:08.and it should be safe. Cuadrilla believes that the rocks

:06:09. > :06:11.beneath these fields hold vast quantities of gas which will help

:06:12. > :06:14.secure the energy Britain will need They want to drill

:06:15. > :06:17.between one and two miles underground and use fracking -

:06:18. > :06:19.injecting water, sound and chemicals into the rocks at high pressure

:06:20. > :06:22.to release the gas trapped inside. If fracking is going

:06:23. > :06:24.to take off then councils are likely to face many

:06:25. > :06:26.more planning applications The decision the government has

:06:27. > :06:30.taken today would be setting We will bring you that decision when

:06:31. > :06:45.we get it, around 9:30 a.m.. People caught carrying knives

:06:46. > :06:47.illegally should face longer jail terms according

:06:48. > :06:48.to The Sentencing Council The organisation also wants young

:06:49. > :06:51.offenders who post films of attacks on social media

:06:52. > :06:53.to face tougher penalties. It says it wants sentences to better

:06:54. > :06:56.reflect public concern amid a rise A woman who lost a leg in the Smiler

:06:57. > :07:03.roller-coaster crash at Alton Towers has told this programme she's not

:07:04. > :07:06.doesn't "see the point of being Vicky Balch, one of 16 people hurt

:07:07. > :07:10.on the ride in June last year, told us that things "could have

:07:11. > :07:12.turned out worse". Last week, Alton Towers' operator

:07:13. > :07:31.was fined five million pounds over The people working on the ride were

:07:32. > :07:37.working to the best of their ability. Working as they knew how to

:07:38. > :07:42.work. I am not angry, not cross. I am more annoyed, there should have

:07:43. > :07:46.been proper training put in place, like now. You can see that full

:07:47. > :07:48.interview at 9:15 a.m.. Independent research seen by the BBC

:07:49. > :07:50.suggests that Heathrow Airport could build a third runway

:07:51. > :07:52.without breaking European The study - which was led

:07:53. > :07:56.by Cambridge University - involved placing a network of air

:07:57. > :07:58.quality sensors in and The government is due to announce

:07:59. > :08:01.in the coming weeks whether it wants to expand

:08:02. > :08:03.Heathrow or Gatwick. Here's our Transport

:08:04. > :08:08.Correspondent Richard Westcott. Pollution is one of the key reasons

:08:09. > :08:17.people oppose a bigger Heathrow. The air already breaks

:08:18. > :08:19.EU law in some places. Campaigners think a new runway

:08:20. > :08:26.would make it worse. This new research funded

:08:27. > :08:48.by the Independent Natural Environment Research Council suggest

:08:49. > :08:49.it We expect there to be a marginal

:08:50. > :08:54.increase in nitrous oxide That will come from

:08:55. > :08:57.the reduced nitrous dioxide from the general traffic

:08:58. > :09:00.flow, because of the transition of Critically the study says

:09:01. > :09:03.it comes down to road The bulk of poisonous

:09:04. > :09:06.nitrogen oxide gas near the airport comes from cars,

:09:07. > :09:10.buses and lorries. The study suggests that by 2030,

:09:11. > :09:21.they will have cleaner They predict that

:09:22. > :09:25.change will be enough to wipe out any increased pollution

:09:26. > :09:27.coming from a bigger airport. Opponents think that air quality

:09:28. > :09:30.is an Achilles heel for Heathrow It could be one of the areas

:09:31. > :09:34.where it is challenged in the After years of sweeping

:09:35. > :09:45.the decision under the carpet, ministers will announce

:09:46. > :09:47.whether to enlarge the frail Whichever scheme they pick will meet

:09:48. > :09:50.loud, angry resistance. A new study says Mental health

:09:51. > :09:53.patients are more likely to take their own lives if they're

:09:54. > :09:56.cared for in the community Research published today

:09:57. > :09:58.by Manchester University shows there were more than 200 suicides

:09:59. > :10:01.last year among those receiving psychiatric care at home -

:10:02. > :10:03.three times higher than for Boys conceived using a common IVF

:10:04. > :10:16.technique may inherit their father's infertility, according

:10:17. > :10:18.to new research published today. Tests by the University of Brussels

:10:19. > :10:21.on the first group of men conceived by the ICSI method -

:10:22. > :10:24.who are now in their late teens and early twenties - found they too

:10:25. > :10:28.had low sperm counts. Toad numbers have fallen by more

:10:29. > :10:31.than two-thirds in 30 years. That's according to a study set up

:10:32. > :10:34.to help them get across roads. The amphibians are vulnerable

:10:35. > :10:36.to traffic during their migration In the UK, data collected from 153

:10:37. > :10:40.sites stretching back to 1985 has Kylie Minogue's British fiance has

:10:41. > :10:51.said the couple won't get married until same-sex marriage becomes

:10:52. > :10:55.legal in Australia. The Australian singer

:10:56. > :11:00.and English actor Joshua Sasse announced their engagement

:11:01. > :11:03.earlier this year. The couple have been vocal

:11:04. > :11:07.supporters of the "Say I Do Down The government has proposed holding

:11:08. > :11:13.a public vote on same-sex We will speak to one Al-Qaeda

:11:14. > :11:30.minute's friends later about that. We should get a decision

:11:31. > :11:32.on whether fracking can go ahead We'll being you that

:11:33. > :11:37.as soon as we get it. Do get in touch with us

:11:38. > :11:42.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:11:43. > :12:04.and If you text, you will be charged It has been a turbulent time for

:12:05. > :12:10.Tyson Fury. Pulling out of that fight. There are more things for the

:12:11. > :12:14.world champion to worry about. He admits losing his boxing licence

:12:15. > :12:19.after admitting taking cocaine. Friends in the sport say he is not

:12:20. > :12:22.in a good place, he needs help. He has admitted suffering from

:12:23. > :12:27.depression. The former featherweight world champion Barry McGuigan, he

:12:28. > :12:32.says that the sport in general must club together to protect athletes

:12:33. > :12:35.with mental health issues. Maybe time for the sporting governing

:12:36. > :12:40.bodies to sit down and start thinking about a clinic of some kind

:12:41. > :12:45.for guys who don't earn a fortune. But still need their help. It only

:12:46. > :12:49.takes a bit of money to get these things off the ground. The amount of

:12:50. > :12:53.money in professional sport at the highest level is ridiculous. Bound

:12:54. > :12:58.to be a portion of that money which can go to a mental health programme

:12:59. > :13:02.surrounding professional sport. No doubt about it, something is needed,

:13:03. > :13:09.needs to be done sooner rather than later. We do not want to have a

:13:10. > :13:14.fatality on our hands. On Monday, you will remember Tyson Fury tweeted

:13:15. > :13:19.to say he was retiring, before retracting that statement. Maybe

:13:20. > :13:22.that decision will be enforced on him. The British Boxing Board of

:13:23. > :13:28.Control will decide whether to withdraw his licence. If they do, he

:13:29. > :13:31.is likely to lose his world titles. If he has an extended period out of

:13:32. > :13:38.the sport, prospects of him returning look bleak. Flames

:13:39. > :13:46.overnight by the world anti-doping agency, data stolen by hackers may

:13:47. > :13:52.have been changed. If you are not familiar with the Fancy Bears, they

:13:53. > :13:58.are Russian -based rap group, whose activities seems to mirror the

:13:59. > :14:01.interests of the Russian government. They recently hacked the world

:14:02. > :14:10.anti-doping agency, publishing details of athletes' anti-doping

:14:11. > :14:16.records, and therapeutic exemptions. That prompted replies by Mo Farah

:14:17. > :14:21.and Sir Bradley Wiggins. Wada says they may have adopted some of the

:14:22. > :14:24.data, details released to the media did not reflect their own. A pinch

:14:25. > :14:30.of salt added to the situation. A woman who lost a leg in the Smiler

:14:31. > :14:33.rollercoaster crash at Alton Towers has told this programme she doesn't

:14:34. > :14:36.see the point of being angry Vicky Balch, one of 16 people hurt

:14:37. > :14:41.on the ride in June last year, told us that things could

:14:42. > :14:43.have turned out worse. Last week, Alton Towers' operator

:14:44. > :14:45.was fined ?5 million The judge called the crash

:14:46. > :14:48.a catastrophic failure We last spoke to Vicky

:14:49. > :14:53.on the programme back It was her first interview

:14:54. > :14:58.after the accident. Just a few months on from

:14:59. > :15:01.what happened, she described what she remembered of the moments

:15:02. > :15:03.after the collision I checked my face, checked my hands,

:15:04. > :15:08.I realised that they were OK. I've got one scar there, but I

:15:09. > :15:11.didn't notice that at the time. I was relieved that the top half

:15:12. > :15:15.of me was OK, but then I had to consider what had

:15:16. > :15:17.happened to the bottom half I never thought I'd be able

:15:18. > :15:26.to walk again, with my leg. They were ripped, and there was just

:15:27. > :15:33.blood pouring out of this knee, and I could see it

:15:34. > :15:35.dripping the entire time. I could see bodily tissue in front

:15:36. > :15:44.of me, I don't know whose it was, but it was horrible because I could

:15:45. > :15:48.see the rip and I could see how far it went into my knee

:15:49. > :15:50.and it went far. Well, we caught up

:15:51. > :15:54.with Vicky yesterday. Victoria started by asking her how

:15:55. > :15:57.she's been since that interview I'm just sort of enjoying, learning

:15:58. > :16:13.to enjoy how I am now. And you've got a

:16:14. > :16:14.computerised prosthetic? Tell us what the differences

:16:15. > :16:18.are with the one you used to wear? The one I used to wear

:16:19. > :16:21.was just a mechanical leg, so if it wasn't straight and locked,

:16:22. > :16:24.if I put weight on it, I'd fall over, which happened a lot,

:16:25. > :16:27.which can be quite upsetting and can This one, I've never tripped up

:16:28. > :16:32.and if I do trip up, it gives me those extra seconds that

:16:33. > :16:35.you would have not to fall over. I can walk downstairs

:16:36. > :16:38.one after another. Upstairs, it's a bit trickier,

:16:39. > :16:41.but once I've got the hang of it, I will be able to go up one

:16:42. > :16:44.after another, but because I'm short I can only make little steps,

:16:45. > :16:47.so the big steps don't work. So practically it's better,

:16:48. > :16:50.but do you feel more confident? How much more confident do you feel

:16:51. > :16:54.using that one? I know I can trust the leg,

:16:55. > :16:58.so even though it's hard and it took me a while,

:16:59. > :17:00.I learned to trust it. It just gives me a lot more

:17:01. > :17:03.confidence. any more, and I know if I do trip up

:17:04. > :17:10.a little, then I can I think you also want to try out

:17:11. > :17:16.some blades, don't you? Yes, I'd love to

:17:17. > :17:17.start running again. It just gives me something else

:17:18. > :17:20.to try and I'm willing I've tried running with this leg,

:17:21. > :17:23.but it's just landing on something that doesn't have

:17:24. > :17:26.any bounce, as such. I'm trialling a blade

:17:27. > :17:28.soon, hopefully. You talked last time about wanting

:17:29. > :17:36.to get back in a car, It's taken quite a while to sort

:17:37. > :17:46.of get to that point, because I had to go for an assessment to see

:17:47. > :17:49.what I'd need, whether it be hand So it's taken a while,

:17:50. > :17:53.and it's been quite frustrating, but hopefully soon

:17:54. > :17:56.I'll be back driving. You sat through the recent court

:17:57. > :17:59.case, where the owners of Alton Towers faced various health

:18:00. > :18:03.and safety charges. It was surprising and it wasn't nice

:18:04. > :18:11.to sit through it all, It was quite draining and it wasn't

:18:12. > :18:17.nice listening to any of it, but I needed

:18:18. > :18:20.to hear it, I wanted to. Not for closure, I don't think

:18:21. > :18:24.I'll ever get closure from anything like this,

:18:25. > :18:29.but I think I'm the kind of person that needs to know

:18:30. > :18:32.everything about it. Why it happened, how it happened,

:18:33. > :18:37.and exactly what happened. During the court case you,

:18:38. > :18:41.along with everyone else in that room, saw footage from the accident

:18:42. > :18:44.which you had never seen before. It wasn't nice, but I had

:18:45. > :18:53.built myself up to it. I knew I wouldn't have to watch it,

:18:54. > :18:57.but I wanted to watch it. I didn't cry, but there was a little

:18:58. > :19:00.tear, just because I knew what was coming, but I didn't

:19:01. > :19:02.know what to expect. Obviously there wasn't sound,

:19:03. > :19:07.but it still wasn't nice and it was just sort of realising it

:19:08. > :19:11.did happen, it was that bad, We were up there for ages,

:19:12. > :19:15.so it was just thinking Did you flinch when you first saw it

:19:16. > :19:22.or were you pretty calm? I was pretty calm, because obviously

:19:23. > :19:25.there were a lot of people in the room, and I would

:19:26. > :19:27.have been calm anyway. I just kind of composed myself

:19:28. > :19:30.and just kept watching, I've watched it a few times since,

:19:31. > :19:41.and I just sort of get a funny It emerged during the court case

:19:42. > :19:47.that there were serious issues, that engineers had overridden

:19:48. > :19:49.the computer system, which would have, should

:19:50. > :19:56.have alerted them. That there was a carriage stationary

:19:57. > :19:59.on the ride, and it emerged that the ride shouldn't

:20:00. > :20:01.have been in use at all, Both those things were

:20:02. > :20:08.presumably news to you? I didn't know there was a previous

:20:09. > :20:15.cart before the one we smashed into. I didn't realise that there was one

:20:16. > :20:18.they had to manually push, so that should have really shown

:20:19. > :20:21.them that the wind was too strong. There were other rides

:20:22. > :20:23.nearby that were closed, so it was way over what

:20:24. > :20:25.it should have been. The people on the ride working on it

:20:26. > :20:31.were working to the best They were working as they knew

:20:32. > :20:37.how to work, so I'm not I'm more annoyed because there

:20:38. > :20:43.should have been proper training put in place,

:20:44. > :20:45.like there is now. If they'd been following

:20:46. > :20:49.the procedures they were supposed to follow, it should

:20:50. > :20:51.never have happened? But they didn't have the procedures

:20:52. > :20:53.to follow, because they hadn't even read the manual,

:20:54. > :20:55.apparently, and they hadn't So it's hard to be angry

:20:56. > :21:06.because it's not their fault. Can you try and explain how

:21:07. > :21:12.it is that you're not angry? I think at first, the first couple

:21:13. > :21:17.of weeks after the accident I was more upset, like,

:21:18. > :21:22.why did happen to me? I asked my mum if I was a horrible

:21:23. > :21:30.person, things like that. But I just don't see

:21:31. > :21:33.the point in being angry. It doesn't necessarily get

:21:34. > :21:35.you anywhere, and it's I think you've got to be angry

:21:36. > :21:39.at something, and I've not got I know things could have turned out

:21:40. > :21:46.worse, but it's not, and I'm still here, and I can

:21:47. > :21:49.still live and get on with it. Is that what you think,

:21:50. > :21:52.it could have been worse? How do you react to the ?5 million

:21:53. > :22:01.fine that they were given? For a company that size,

:22:02. > :22:04.it's not a big fine. Even if it was doubled,

:22:05. > :22:06.it wouldn't make I think what's more important

:22:07. > :22:11.is that they've put things It shouldn't happen again,

:22:12. > :22:19.but if it does happen again, they'll have a

:22:20. > :22:22.platform to get to us. They have something that will get

:22:23. > :22:25.them up quicker and they won't wait 20 minutes to ring someone,

:22:26. > :22:27.like they did with us. I took the anaesthetist who was up

:22:28. > :22:39.on the ride with us at the time. So I wanted to find out

:22:40. > :22:43.how he got us down. It was a lot more contained

:22:44. > :22:50.than I thought it was. I thought I'd feel

:22:51. > :22:54.something when I got there, and I did get upset,

:22:55. > :22:57.but then I calmed down and I just It wasn't running, there was no one

:22:58. > :23:02.there, but I didn't feel anything. I thought I might feel angry or sad,

:23:03. > :23:05.but I just sat there Was there some kind of perspective

:23:06. > :23:13.by seeing it, or what? Yeah, I think I had to go back

:23:14. > :23:17.to see it, again, not for closure, because I don't think that can

:23:18. > :23:20.happen, but I think it was just I don't know why, but I feel

:23:21. > :23:24.like it helped. In terms of the future,

:23:25. > :23:26.what are your plans? I've had a few talks,

:23:27. > :23:29.I've had a few offers We'll just see what happens

:23:30. > :23:42.in the future, I think. Maybe in the future,

:23:43. > :23:44.I'm not sure. Tell us what's

:23:45. > :23:53.happening this weekend. Team BRIT have asked me to be

:23:54. > :23:56.a grid girl on Saturday at Oulton Park, which they want me

:23:57. > :23:59.to start and finish one of the races for the Fun Cup,

:24:00. > :24:02.so that will be quite fun. They've also offered for me to try

:24:03. > :24:05.driving one of the race cars, When I spoke to you back then,

:24:06. > :24:14.I asked you if you had managed to rationalise what had happened

:24:15. > :24:18.to you, and you said no. And I would like to ask

:24:19. > :24:21.you the same question now, I think when you wake up every day

:24:22. > :24:29.and you don't see your leg, I think you've got to

:24:30. > :24:32.rationalise it at some point. It's getting on with your life,

:24:33. > :24:35.and I think you can't get on with your life and be happy

:24:36. > :24:37.with yourself until you... Not necessarily get over

:24:38. > :24:40.it, but like you said, How do you reflect on what has

:24:41. > :24:52.happened to you and why? I think I've dealt with it a lot

:24:53. > :24:55.better than other people could have. I could have gone completely

:24:56. > :24:58.the opposite way, I could hate how I am now, but I'm trying to make

:24:59. > :25:03.a difference to other people. Not inspire as such,

:25:04. > :25:05.because I don't think I've reached that yet,

:25:06. > :25:08.but I just want to make a difference and make something good out

:25:09. > :25:13.of a really bad thing. Thank you very much

:25:14. > :25:18.for talking to us. The says she's gorgeous, and so

:25:19. > :25:39.strong. You can watch the interview

:25:40. > :25:41.again on our programme Fracking for shale gas could get

:25:42. > :26:00.the go-ahead at two sites And a football photographer who

:26:01. > :26:05.insulted a woman, we talked to her. Now here is all the news.

:26:06. > :26:07.At least 23 people have died after Hurricane Matthew hit

:26:08. > :26:12.Rescue workers are struggling to reach parts of the country cut

:26:13. > :26:16.off by the most powerful Caribbean hurricane in nearly a decade.

:26:17. > :26:20.Hundreds of thousands of people in Florida and South Carolina have

:26:21. > :26:22.been told to evacuate as Hurricane Matthew moves

:26:23. > :26:25.The governor of Florida has warned the damage

:26:26. > :26:31.Fracking for shale gas could be given the go-ahead today.

:26:32. > :26:37.The Communities Secretary, Sajid Javid, is due to announce

:26:38. > :26:39.a decision about two sites in the north-west of England.

:26:40. > :26:42.Last year, Lancashire County Council rejected applications

:26:43. > :26:44.to frack by the energy firm Caudrilla.

:26:45. > :26:46.The company appealed and the government said it

:26:47. > :26:49.would make the final ruling because of the importance

:26:50. > :26:53.People caught carrying knives illegally should face longer

:26:54. > :26:55.jail terms according to the Sentencing Council

:26:56. > :26:59.The organisation also wants young offenders who post films

:27:00. > :27:01.of attacks on social media to face tougher penalties.

:27:02. > :27:04.It says it wants sentences to better reflect public concern amid a rise

:27:05. > :27:23.A woman who lost a leg in the Smiler roller-coaster crash at Alton Towers

:27:24. > :27:26.has told this programme she's not doesn't "see the point of being

:27:27. > :27:30.Vicky Balch, one of 16 people hurt on the ride in June last year,

:27:31. > :27:32.told us that things "could have turned out worse".

:27:33. > :27:35.Last week, Alton Towers' operator was fined ?5 million over

:27:36. > :27:38.Independent research seen by the BBC suggests that Heathrow Airport

:27:39. > :27:40.could build a third runway without breaking European

:27:41. > :27:56.The study by Cambridge University said Lena transport in the area

:27:57. > :28:02.would balance it out. Kylie Minogue's British fiance has

:28:03. > :28:04.said the couple won't get married until same-sex marriage becomes

:28:05. > :28:06.legal in Australia. The Australian singer

:28:07. > :28:08.and English actor Joshua Sasse announced their engagement

:28:09. > :28:10.earlier this year. The couple have been vocal

:28:11. > :28:13.supporters of the "Say I Do Down The government has proposed holding

:28:14. > :28:16.a public vote on same-sex The UK's only female

:28:17. > :28:24.giant panda will not give birth to cubs this year,

:28:25. > :28:26.her keepers at Edinburgh The zoo has been trying to get

:28:27. > :28:30.Tian Tian to produce a cub since she arrived

:28:31. > :28:32.from China in 2011. Earlier this year she was

:28:33. > :28:34.artificially inseminated But, in a statement,

:28:35. > :28:37.the zoo said her hormone levels had returned to normal and her behaviour

:28:38. > :28:57.signals the end of her breeding That's all the news. Now the sport.

:28:58. > :29:12.Wail's footballers are in Vienna to take on Austria in the qualifier

:29:13. > :29:16.tonight. -- Wales. Both British clubs have suffered heavy first leg

:29:17. > :29:22.defeat in a women's Champions League last night. Chelsea lost 3-0 to

:29:23. > :29:28.Wolfsburg, while Hibernian's women were thrashed 6-0 by Bayern Munich.

:29:29. > :29:33.Johanna Konta has beaten Karolina Pliskova in the China Open. The

:29:34. > :29:37.British amber one came through in three sets to reach the

:29:38. > :29:41.quarterfinals. The Olympic champion Justin Rose will miss the final two

:29:42. > :29:47.months of the season through injury. He has been suffering with a back

:29:48. > :29:55.problem since May. He won gold at the Rio Games in August. We will be

:29:56. > :29:59.back with more sport just after ten o'clock. Thank you.

:30:00. > :30:02.The FA has imposed a two-year ban on the chairman of non-league club

:30:03. > :30:04.Wellingborough Town after he told a female photographer that

:30:05. > :30:06.women are only useful in the kitchen and the bedroom.

:30:07. > :30:11.She is here and we will be talking to her in a minute.

:30:12. > :30:14.It's not the first time Martin Potton has been in trouble.

:30:15. > :30:17.Back in March we reported on another incident in which he was was fined

:30:18. > :30:19.for using derogatory and insulting language

:30:20. > :30:20.towards a 22-year-old female referee, Mary Harmer.

:30:21. > :30:22.Lindsay England, who runs the anti-homophobia

:30:23. > :30:34.campaign Just a Ball Game, was watching the match.

:30:35. > :30:45.I was watching the game, the team was losing 4-0, then they were 7-0

:30:46. > :30:50.down. This gentleman decided to say it was the referee's fault, because

:30:51. > :30:56.she happened to be female. She was not fit to referee in a woman's

:30:57. > :31:02.game, let alone amen's game. He Jerry Dahl, going on about, I don't

:31:03. > :31:06.understand what the law is coming to, women seem to be getting

:31:07. > :31:10.everywhere, you can't go to work from you can't enjoy yourself

:31:11. > :31:15.without women being there, being in charge. I was shocked to find it was

:31:16. > :31:20.the chairman of opposition. I did not find out about the comments,

:31:21. > :31:26.until a few weeks after, contacted by the county FA, asked if I'd heard

:31:27. > :31:30.the comments. I was refereeing the game, I did not hear them, so

:31:31. > :31:35.focused on getting decisions right, then hear what players of the Crown

:31:36. > :31:41.say. Sometimes when you hear those comments, it makes you want to work

:31:42. > :31:45.harder, prove that women are good referees, sometimes we may be better

:31:46. > :31:50.than the men. These comments, something part of the past.

:31:51. > :31:55.Certainly not part of the future. The game is changing, sometimes

:31:56. > :32:00.people turn their heads, when I warm up and referee again. They turned

:32:01. > :32:07.their heads, like dominoes. A female referee today. In maybe five years'

:32:08. > :32:11.time, actually, it is a referee, not a female referee. They are there to

:32:12. > :32:16.do their job, just and equal, the same as a male referee.

:32:17. > :32:18.Well the woman who brought the latest complaint

:32:19. > :32:27.And Vivienne Aiyela who is a member of 'Women in Football' that

:32:28. > :32:40.What happened between you and that man that they. I was at the football

:32:41. > :32:44.match, treated myself to a new lens on my camera, not a photographer by

:32:45. > :32:51.profession. Sitting at the front of the stand, taking some practice

:32:52. > :32:57.shots. Martin was sitting about two, three rows behind me. Suddenly

:32:58. > :33:05.starting exclaiming, is this your new profession? I said, I am female,

:33:06. > :33:14.but I enjoy photography. Why did you take that as a jibe? He's that type

:33:15. > :33:21.of person. Before he has made not very nice comments towards females.

:33:22. > :33:31.He ignores them, or ignores me, on a continuous basis. That is what I

:33:32. > :33:35.recall I said. He suddenly responded, females should be in the

:33:36. > :33:45.kitchen and the bedroom. I was mortified. There was no reason to be

:33:46. > :33:54.as nasty, to say something like that. People sitting around, my

:33:55. > :33:59.husband sitting a couple of rows further away, he heard it.

:34:00. > :34:06.Spectators to the side. Very few females, men watching that game.

:34:07. > :34:16.I've felt totally and utterly embarrassed. Did you say anything? I

:34:17. > :34:21.glared at him, saying, really? I decided to detach myself from that,

:34:22. > :34:29.not cause further comment from him. Just carried on. When we were

:34:30. > :34:35.leaving, one of a spectator came past my car, when my husband and I

:34:36. > :34:43.were leaving, I don't quite believe you said that to you. I said, I find

:34:44. > :34:50.it awful, somebody, especially the chairman of the club saying

:34:51. > :34:54.something like that. It is not something I would take lightly, to

:34:55. > :35:04.report something. I did not want to ask anybody, who I should report

:35:05. > :35:09.this too. I looked at the FA of the Internet, decided to contact them,

:35:10. > :35:16.and tell them. You put a complaint forward. He denied the claims, but

:35:17. > :35:21.the FA ruled in your favour. And for two years, from all football, also

:35:22. > :35:28.find, he has to go on quality and education course. The right

:35:29. > :35:33.response? Having heard he recently attended a football match anyway,

:35:34. > :35:39.not many people will stop him in his attitude. He has resigned, from what

:35:40. > :35:49.I understand, but in June this year, as chairman of the football club. He

:35:50. > :35:54.removed himself from that. He has said there will always be sexism in

:35:55. > :35:59.the game, only time and education will change. He says dinosaurs like

:36:00. > :36:10.me, I'm an old man, we should have some banter. There are dinosaurs in

:36:11. > :36:15.the game. I do agree. We are in the 21st century, girls and women play

:36:16. > :36:21.football. Girls and women go to spectator, to watch their friends,

:36:22. > :36:32.loved ones play. There is no place for that kind of sexist banter. What

:36:33. > :36:37.is the best response? Lawro says she did not put in a complaint likely,

:36:38. > :36:42.but that is what she did? You have to have a complaint commit you have

:36:43. > :36:47.to have a voice. Sometimes when it happens, you think, is it just me?

:36:48. > :36:53.Did I hear that correctly? You don't know where to complain. How to

:36:54. > :36:58.complain. A lot of people in those situations, they take it. They

:36:59. > :37:04.think, OK, I will leave it, I don't know where to go. Does it happen

:37:05. > :37:09.much? It happens a lot, I have a friend who is a coach, she gets so

:37:10. > :37:17.much abuse, she used to sit in her car and cry. Abuse from where? From

:37:18. > :37:22.the crowd, from the players. I spoke on a panel, women in football, one

:37:23. > :37:28.of the panel members said it is part of the game. She is a referee. You

:37:29. > :37:36.get used to it. You should not get used to it. Time it stopped. Have

:37:37. > :37:41.you witnessed it more widely? I have heard, when I was attending as a

:37:42. > :37:47.spectator, I have heard ever so often comments like that. I have

:37:48. > :37:56.heard comments. It prompted me to not support my local team more

:37:57. > :38:04.often. I don't want to be verbally abused by anybody, least of all a

:38:05. > :38:10.chairman, or whoever. Why should people look down on women, playing

:38:11. > :38:18.any sport? Not just football, any sport. Enjoying watching it. Is the

:38:19. > :38:23.best way to nip it in the bud, for people to take it head-on at the

:38:24. > :38:28.time? Obviously when you are in a situation, shocked by something, you

:38:29. > :38:33.don't know how to respond. Would you respond differently? If it happened

:38:34. > :38:41.again, I would have known hesitation in immediately reporting it. Why not

:38:42. > :38:48.speak directly to the person present not a very nice person to talk to.

:38:49. > :38:58.Intimidating in his behaviour. More general, perhaps. From that person,

:38:59. > :39:04.you would just get verbally abuse. The FAA has dealt with this. The

:39:05. > :39:07.message coming out of clubs, it seems to be very much that these

:39:08. > :39:14.things are taken seriously, they want issues reported. Have things

:39:15. > :39:22.changed? The overall approach changed? Although there will

:39:23. > :39:29.inevitably be incidents? Things have changed. Last year about 500 cases

:39:30. > :39:36.people reported. People are getting brave enough to report cases. Things

:39:37. > :39:41.are changing. People need to not be so scared to report. A lot of people

:39:42. > :39:46.think I am not going to report, I am going to leave it. If you do, other

:39:47. > :39:53.people will get it, too. Reporting is essential. Something will get

:39:54. > :39:58.done, even though you think, I was not report it. I can live with it.

:39:59. > :40:00.It will spiral. Another person will get the abuse, too. Thank you very

:40:01. > :40:03.much. Would longer prison

:40:04. > :40:05.sentences for people caught carrying a knife stop

:40:06. > :40:07.the rise in knife crime? The Sentencing Council

:40:08. > :40:09.for England and Wales says yes. We'll find out what victims

:40:10. > :40:15.and former gang members think. A woman is taking legal action

:40:16. > :40:18.against an ambulance trust after it sent a private ambulance whose crew

:40:19. > :40:21.failed to identify that her husband The East of England Ambulance

:40:22. > :40:25.Service NHS Trust uncovered a series of failures and has apologised

:40:26. > :40:28.to Kim Page for the death In a serious incident report,

:40:29. > :40:31.the trust described the team leader of the private crew as complacent

:40:32. > :40:34.for not heeding the concerns of a more junior colleague

:40:35. > :40:36.who thought she should Overall the coroner found serious

:40:37. > :40:43.failings in Gary Page's care. The episode has shone a spotlight

:40:44. > :40:45.on the greater use of private ambulances in attending

:40:46. > :40:47.emergency calls. In February Kim Page and her husband

:40:48. > :40:56.Gary were at home watching TV on the sofa when he began to feel

:40:57. > :40:59.pain in his chest. By then he was on his hands

:41:00. > :41:05.and knees, with his elbows A crew from a private

:41:06. > :41:11.ambulance company contracted to work for the East

:41:12. > :41:13.of England Ambulance led by emergency medical

:41:14. > :41:20.technician Lauren de la Haye. Lauren de la Haye sat down

:41:21. > :41:23.next to Gary and said, She just said to him,

:41:24. > :41:31.it's definitely not your heart, you're definitely not having

:41:32. > :41:33.a heart attack. I wish all my my patients

:41:34. > :41:35.were like you, sitting They decided to take some

:41:36. > :41:39.ECGs, what did they do That's why he didn't go,

:41:40. > :41:47.because they didn't say, this could be a heart attack,

:41:48. > :41:50.you need to go to the hospital. They gave the impression

:41:51. > :41:56.there wasn't any need for it. Unbeknown to Kim and Gary,

:41:57. > :42:02.heart traces, or ECGs, taken by the clearly showed

:42:03. > :42:05.evidence of a heart attack. In the night Gary remained

:42:06. > :42:08.uncomfortable, and so went to sleep He would wouldn't wake up

:42:09. > :42:13.so I started to punch him and tried to shake him,

:42:14. > :42:16.and couldn't wake him, so I got What makes his death even harder

:42:17. > :42:30.for his family to bear is that Gary Page was just minutes away

:42:31. > :42:33.from a specialist heart unit here at Basildon University Hospital

:42:34. > :42:38.when he fell ill. At the inquest, a report

:42:39. > :42:41.from the East of England Ambulance Service branded Lauren de la Haye

:42:42. > :42:44.complacent in failing to heed the concerns of a colleague,

:42:45. > :42:50.and wrongly advising Gary Page and that he was well enough

:42:51. > :42:53.to stay at home. Her incorrect analysis of his ECG

:42:54. > :42:55.and presenting signs and symptoms was deemed the root cause

:42:56. > :43:07.of his death. The coroner, Caroline Beasley

:43:08. > :43:09.Murray, found serious failings Lauren de la Haye didn't attend

:43:10. > :43:13.the inquest, but has told the BBC The East of England Ambulance

:43:14. > :43:18.Service has apologised for providing As a result of the case, the service

:43:19. > :43:36.has changed its procedures, so that if a crew decides not

:43:37. > :43:39.to take a patient to hospital, it must first contact

:43:40. > :43:41.a clinical advice line. NHS spending on private ambulances

:43:42. > :43:43.for 999 calls in England has trebled Gary Page's case raises

:43:44. > :43:57.questions about their use. I think the problem with some

:43:58. > :43:59.private ambulance crews is there's no register,

:44:00. > :44:02.and it a lottery as to who turns up They may not have the

:44:03. > :44:05.correct expertise, Kim Page is taking legal action over

:44:06. > :44:14.the death of her husband, but nothing can compensate her

:44:15. > :44:16.for his loss. I know people say that, but he was,

:44:17. > :44:21.and he always will be. And now I've got to find a way

:44:22. > :44:27.of living without him... Alan Howson is the executive

:44:28. > :44:52.chairman of the Independent Ambulance Association,

:44:53. > :45:05.the body which represents Thank you for joining us. Respond to

:45:06. > :45:10.the claim, one of the issues with private ambulances, no register, a

:45:11. > :45:14.lottery who will care for your loved one, they may not have the correct

:45:15. > :45:20.qualification, expertise or experience? Can start by expressing

:45:21. > :45:24.my sadness over this incident. Very tragic, my thoughts are with Mrs

:45:25. > :45:28.Page and her loved ones. We fully agree there should be a register for

:45:29. > :45:32.evidence technicians, accountable for their actions in law. Not

:45:33. > :45:37.accountable in terms of being struck off if they malpractice. We fully

:45:38. > :45:40.support a move to introduce a register for technicians. What is

:45:41. > :45:45.the difference between a technician and a paramedic?

:45:46. > :45:51.however this skill set of a technician is less than a paramedic.

:45:52. > :45:55.Their knowledge of the body and how it works is less. They don't have

:45:56. > :45:59.access to equipment and drugs in order that they can provide a higher

:46:00. > :46:03.level of treatment. Having said that, it is a good baseline towards

:46:04. > :46:09.becoming a paramedic. But is it good enough? It certainly is a stepping

:46:10. > :46:14.stone. And technicians can save lives and do save lives on a daily

:46:15. > :46:18.basis. A stepping stone, but if a private ambulance with a technician

:46:19. > :46:22.is responding to an emergency where somebody is having a heart attack,

:46:23. > :46:28.potentially any life-threatening incident, is a technician enough?

:46:29. > :46:33.Studies have shown that technicians have a good outcome versus

:46:34. > :46:37.paramedics. So in terms of whether they perform to the same level,

:46:38. > :46:42.clearly not, but they do have a good outcome. As I understand it, in that

:46:43. > :46:47.instance, there were no paramedics available to attend to Mr Paige.

:46:48. > :46:52.Spell out what you mean by good outcome. Not quite as good as a

:46:53. > :46:56.paramedic but still OK? Studies show that technicians have a higher

:46:57. > :47:00.survival rate because their usual method was to recognise and

:47:01. > :47:05.transport to hospital. Definitive care. Rather than staying and

:47:06. > :47:10.administering drugs. In this particular instance, the east of

:47:11. > :47:15.England Ambulance Service apologised and said that in future a clinical

:47:16. > :47:20.advice line must be contacted if a decision is taken not to take

:47:21. > :47:24.somebody to hospital. Should that become normal practice? It should.

:47:25. > :47:28.My understanding was that would normally happen if there was

:47:29. > :47:36.non-conveyance. There would be a referral back to the ambulance

:47:37. > :47:39.trust. Can people feel reassured by what the outcome would be if a

:47:40. > :47:46.private ambulance arrived at their home rather than an NHS ambulance?

:47:47. > :47:49.Absolutely. Most of the crews in private ambulance companies are

:47:50. > :47:55.either current NHS ambulance staff working for both the NHS and private

:47:56. > :47:58.sector, or former NHS staff who have moved across to work for a private

:47:59. > :48:04.ambulance company. The training standards are the same. Why is it

:48:05. > :48:10.that there has been such an increase in the use of private ambulances?

:48:11. > :48:15.That is a reflection of the increase in demand an Ambulance Services per

:48:16. > :48:24.se. A huge increase over the years, and the number of paramedics is

:48:25. > :48:27.increasing for a number of reasons. The private service provides

:48:28. > :48:30.increased capability and capacity at peak moments of demand, while the

:48:31. > :48:34.Ambulance Service builds up the paramedics and support staff to

:48:35. > :48:42.croup the vehicles. Thank you very much. Plans to frack for shale gas

:48:43. > :48:45.in Lancashire could be given the green light today. Sajid Javid is

:48:46. > :48:50.expected to announce shortly whether work can begin at two sites. Last

:48:51. > :48:53.year Lancashire County Council rejected applications by the firm

:48:54. > :48:57.Cuadrilla, who appealed, and the government said it would make the

:48:58. > :49:00.final ruling because of the importance of the case. Our

:49:01. > :49:06.correspondent is at one of the proposed sites. Little Plumpton. We

:49:07. > :49:10.are respecting the announcement and what are you anticipating? We were

:49:11. > :49:14.expecting the announcement at around 9:30am this morning. Today was the

:49:15. > :49:18.deadline set by the government to decide whether to overturn the

:49:19. > :49:21.decision by Lancashire County Council not to allow test fracking

:49:22. > :49:25.on this site and another one in Lancashire. As yet there has been no

:49:26. > :49:31.word about what exactly is happening. The site behind me at

:49:32. > :49:35.Little Plumpton is one of two where Cuadrilla want to carry out test

:49:36. > :49:38.fracking, including doing horizontal drilling, which is very

:49:39. > :49:42.controversial and has not been done in the UK before. There are concerns

:49:43. > :49:46.about the environmental impact of that. The landowners are taking no

:49:47. > :49:51.chances. If they get the green light to go ahead with this today, they

:49:52. > :49:54.want to make sure there will be no protest camps today, and it is the

:49:55. > :49:58.site of a High Court injunction, warning that anybody trespassing on

:49:59. > :50:01.the site would be in contempt of court. Previously when there have

:50:02. > :50:05.been attempts to get fracking and test drilling under way in different

:50:06. > :50:09.parts of the UK, there have been huge protests. In Greater Manchester

:50:10. > :50:14.a camp was set up for several months trying to stop another company

:50:15. > :50:19.carrying out test drilling on that site at Barton Moss. This is a very

:50:20. > :50:25.controversial issue. Frances O'Grady and from the company Cuadrilla who

:50:26. > :50:35.want to carry out fracking has explained why it is so important as

:50:36. > :50:40.far as he is concerned. -- Francis Egan. It is safe. It has been

:50:41. > :50:45.monitored excessively and the monitoring that will go on around

:50:46. > :50:50.this site is unprecedented. Traffic, noise, air quality, water quality,

:50:51. > :50:52.so they really can feel assured. I understand that it is like a

:50:53. > :50:57.construction site but it is temporary and when it has gone away

:50:58. > :51:01.you won't know anything was there. Yes, but the thing is, you see, a

:51:02. > :51:05.lot of people don't agree with that. There are concerns about the impact

:51:06. > :51:10.on the environment, not just the sight of what goes on on this land,

:51:11. > :51:14.but what is happening underground. Fracking was actually suspended in

:51:15. > :51:18.this country in 2011 when there was fracking going on not far from here

:51:19. > :51:22.which caused a number of earth tremors. That was when it was all

:51:23. > :51:24.suspended. Now the companies are trying to say they have got it all

:51:25. > :51:49.sorted and it is perfectly safe but there are a lot

:51:50. > :51:51.of people in Lancashire and beyond with serious concerns about the

:51:52. > :51:54.environmental impact of fracking. At the same time the government has got

:51:55. > :51:56.to balance those concerns with the fact that we need energy for the

:51:57. > :51:59.years to come. The companies say there is a lot of shale gas that

:52:00. > :52:01.could potentially be exploited beneath our feet and that is one way

:52:02. > :52:04.of meeting the UK's energy needs. This is a difficult balancing act

:52:05. > :52:07.for the government and maybe within the next hour we will know what they

:52:08. > :52:10.have decided to do. We will bring you that when it comes through. Lots

:52:11. > :52:12.of you getting in touch about sexism in football. This one, it isn't

:52:13. > :52:16.banter. Using banter as an excuse is redundant. It is 2016. Elvis has

:52:17. > :52:25.tweeted that sexism has no place in football, and. Elite Probe says I

:52:26. > :52:29.think the situation is improving. As a person who would like to be in

:52:30. > :52:34.football, I know I have what it takes and I know what holds me back.

:52:35. > :52:38.And this tweet, women belong in the kitchen and bedroom, are you

:52:39. > :52:42.serious? So what if there is a female referee? Leave her to do your

:52:43. > :52:55.job. And after the interview that Victoria did with Vikki Bunce, a

:52:56. > :52:59.very brave lady. -- Vicky Balch. Fabulous, inspiring. An inspiration

:53:00. > :53:00.to young people whatever they are suffering. Her parents must be

:53:01. > :53:04.proud. I congratulate them all. The worst storm to hit the Caribbean

:53:05. > :53:07.in a decade, Hurricane Matthew, is moving across the Caribbean and

:53:08. > :53:10.heading towards the United States. It's already killed at least 23

:53:11. > :53:12.people in the Dominican People in the central Bahamas

:53:13. > :53:15.are bracing themselves for the onslaught of the hurricane

:53:16. > :53:18.as the eye of the category A surge of up to 15 feet

:53:19. > :53:25.and wind speeds of more than 120 mph

:53:26. > :53:27.are expected on some southern Earlier I spoke to the Director

:53:28. > :53:32.General of the Bahamas Red Cross, Caroline Turnquest, and I asked her

:53:33. > :53:34.how they are preparing before Matthew hits the most populated

:53:35. > :53:37.areas in the islands. Right now the hurricane has passed

:53:38. > :53:40.over a number of islands. We're getting initial

:53:41. > :53:42.reports of some damage, however, as you know,

:53:43. > :53:45.the teams are going to do a damage In Providence right now, it's sort

:53:46. > :53:54.of the calm before the storm, because it's expected to come

:53:55. > :53:58.in full force within What has been done to prepare for it

:53:59. > :54:04.and to protect people? Persons have been evacuated

:54:05. > :54:07.from the low-lying areas, those people that live

:54:08. > :54:09.on the coastline have been In fact, the Prime Minister,

:54:10. > :54:18.with the help of the Commissioner of Police, has ordered mandatory

:54:19. > :54:20.evacuation, even though They have been pleading

:54:21. > :54:24.with persons and the response Having seen the impact

:54:25. > :54:29.that it's had elsewhere, has that made people more ready

:54:30. > :54:32.to accept what the potential Well that, coupled with the fact

:54:33. > :54:42.that we're just coming through a year exactly from another

:54:43. > :54:47.hurricane, Joachim, that impacted five of our islands,

:54:48. > :54:52.in really a disaster. What are you predicting the impact

:54:53. > :55:00.of this hurricane might be? Well, based on predictions,

:55:01. > :55:06.it's a very, very strong hurricane and it's expected to have storm

:55:07. > :55:09.surges of up to 15 feet. So we're expecting a lot

:55:10. > :55:15.of flooding, and we urge persons Has anybody defied warnings

:55:16. > :55:21.or has everybody listened You're always going to find one

:55:22. > :55:29.or two persons that don't, but... Families are still, I guess,

:55:30. > :55:38.still trying to urge them, but a lot of persons,

:55:39. > :55:41.a record number of persons, Based on previous experience,

:55:42. > :55:44.how long does it take after a hurricane has hit

:55:45. > :55:46.to actually assess first of all the impact of it,

:55:47. > :55:53.and then to deal with it? Well, first of all you have

:55:54. > :55:56.to have the all clear from the National Emergency

:55:57. > :55:58.Management Agency - NEMA. Once the all clear is given,

:55:59. > :56:03.then a team goes out, various teams, but an official team

:56:04. > :56:06.from the disaster unit goes out to do the assessment,

:56:07. > :56:08.just to assess where the damage is, On a number of islands, though,

:56:09. > :56:16.we have been doing some training and we have teams on the ground

:56:17. > :56:21.and we have, in a few instances, we have pre-positioned supplies,

:56:22. > :56:25.so persons will have something to work with

:56:26. > :56:37.until the main team comes in. The Red Cross in the Bahamas. Now

:56:38. > :56:42.the latest weather update with Carol. What is the latest on

:56:43. > :56:47.hurricane? It is still category three, which is a major hurricane.

:56:48. > :56:53.It is heading in the direction of the Bahamas. Outer ring is already

:56:54. > :57:01.being felt and it has sustained wind speeds widely of 115 mph. We expect

:57:02. > :57:07.it to intensify to 132 mph in the next 36 hours, taking it back to

:57:08. > :57:10.category four. This area here is tropical storm Nicole, so something

:57:11. > :57:15.we are watching is how the two may or may not interact. From Hurricane

:57:16. > :57:20.Matthew we are likely to see torrential downpours and the Bahamas

:57:21. > :57:26.is relatively low lying, relatively flat as well, so there is a risk of

:57:27. > :57:31.flash flooding from that with the devastating impact of the strong

:57:32. > :57:36.winds as well. And the huge storm surge is likely to cause a lot of

:57:37. > :57:41.damage. If we look at the track it is expected to take in the next few

:57:42. > :57:45.days, it crosses the Bahamas and then we have a hurricane warning for

:57:46. > :57:49.the eastern seaboard of Florida as well. It continues to track

:57:50. > :57:55.northwards, towards Georgia and the Carolinas. In the northern

:57:56. > :57:59.hemisphere, hurricane struck in an anticyclonic direction, so it

:58:00. > :58:02.doesn't take much for it to move further east or west to have a

:58:03. > :58:08.dramatic difference on the impact likely to be felt by the hurricane.

:58:09. > :58:12.We will keep you posted. Back at home, it is cloudy and cooler than

:58:13. > :58:16.yesterday for many. We will see some sunshine, the best of which in the

:58:17. > :58:20.north and North West of the country. High pressure is anchored over

:58:21. > :58:25.Scandinavia and it has been blocking weather fronts coming in from the

:58:26. > :58:28.Atlantic. If you look at the direction the isobars are flowing

:58:29. > :58:33.in, it is from the east, so an easterly breeze today, which is

:58:34. > :58:38.quite a cool direction for us. Cloud around this morning and sunshine as

:58:39. > :58:42.well. Cloud in the east drifting west through the course of the day

:58:43. > :58:46.into South West England and Wales. Even so it will break up and there

:58:47. > :58:50.will be sunny spells. The lion's share of the sunshine will be in the

:58:51. > :58:58.north and North West. In recent days, if you were exposed to the

:58:59. > :59:01.cloud and breeze, it will feel cooler, and temperatures are down on

:59:02. > :59:07.recently. There could be showers in the Midlands and East Anglia.

:59:08. > :59:11.Elsewhere it will be dry with variable amounts of cloud and sunny

:59:12. > :59:15.intervals and temperatures in Plymouth peaking at 14. For Wales,

:59:16. > :59:19.the cloud drifts in from the east with the west seeing brighter skies

:59:20. > :59:24.and sunshine and a fine day in Northern Ireland. 14 is the top

:59:25. > :59:28.temperature. Again bright spells of sunshine. The lion's share of St

:59:29. > :59:35.John from the word go across North West Scotland but elsewhere there

:59:36. > :59:41.will be cloud around. -- lion's share of sunshine. We hold onto the

:59:42. > :59:44.breeze elsewhere. The showers drift further west into Wales and North

:59:45. > :59:48.West England and also further north into southern Scotland and Northern

:59:49. > :59:54.Ireland. They will be hit and miss but it will not be called tonight.

:59:55. > :59:59.Tomorrow, we will have showers. Still hit and miss. Some in the

:00:00. > :00:03.South East could merge to give heavier rain at times. Quite a lot

:00:04. > :00:07.of cloud around. Like today the lion's share of the sunshine will be

:00:08. > :00:11.in the North West. Temperature wise, the impact of the winds will make it

:00:12. > :00:13.feel cooler than the temperatures suggest but they will be down on

:00:14. > :00:16.today. Hello it's Thursday it's 10 o'clock,

:00:17. > :00:18.I'm Joanna Gosling, Due any minute - a landmark decision

:00:19. > :00:24.on whether fracking for shale gas can get the go-ahead at two sites

:00:25. > :00:31.in the north-west of England. One gets the go-ahead, the other put

:00:32. > :00:35.on hold. With a ten percent rise in knife

:00:36. > :00:38.crime since last year - would tougher sentences for people

:00:39. > :00:40.caught carrying We'll be speaking a former gang

:00:41. > :00:44.member and a mother who's son Kylie Minogue and her fiance

:00:45. > :00:48.are putting their wedding on hold until same-sex marriage becomes

:00:49. > :00:50.legal in Australia. We'll speak to one of her friends

:00:51. > :01:11.here and to one of Australia's The decision to roof on the fracking

:01:12. > :01:15.scheme in Lancashire. -- is through. One of the projects in Lancashire

:01:16. > :01:20.granted. The second project, the government has said put on hold for

:01:21. > :01:29.now, while it takes more time to decide on it. Friends of the Earth

:01:30. > :01:34.putting that news out, one of the projects will be going ahead, one is

:01:35. > :01:39.on hold. We're not sure which one gets the go-ahead. A little earlier

:01:40. > :01:45.and we were at one of the sites in little Plumpton. We need to get

:01:46. > :01:52.clarity on which one gets the go-ahead. Still nothing official

:01:53. > :02:01.from the government on this. This is coming through from Friends of the

:02:02. > :02:12.Earth. We are awaiting the formal announcement from the government.

:02:13. > :02:14.What is being reported from Cuadrilla and Friends of the Earth,

:02:15. > :02:19.one of the projects will go through. Let's speak to Cat Smith

:02:20. > :02:33.who is the Labour MP Still no announcement from the

:02:34. > :02:37.government, but Cuadrilla and Friends of the Earth are saying

:02:38. > :02:41.that. I have received my e-mail from the government outlining the

:02:42. > :02:47.decisions made, to let fracking go ahead at the Preston new road site

:02:48. > :02:52.and turn down the other. My reaction, I have not read or 603

:02:53. > :02:56.pages of the decision in the last 60 seconds, but it is one of great

:02:57. > :03:01.disappointment, local people and local democracy overridden by the

:03:02. > :03:05.government. This decision was made by Lancashire County Council in a

:03:06. > :03:09.fairway, for the government to step in it is an affront to democracy.

:03:10. > :03:15.They should have been decision made by local people. For Sajid Javid to

:03:16. > :03:20.come in and make it, a of angry in Lancashire. As you say, the County

:03:21. > :03:25.Council turned down the applications. Officials recommending

:03:26. > :03:31.the go-ahead for one of the schemes? Can you say that again? Officials

:03:32. > :03:38.recommended one of the schemes go ahead. In spite of that, the council

:03:39. > :03:42.said no? No, the council is the body which made a decision festival. I

:03:43. > :03:47.believe they made the right decision to turn it down. In terms of the

:03:48. > :03:52.government's energy policy, they are in a complete mess. Given our

:03:53. > :03:56.obligations under the Paris agreement, we need to move towards

:03:57. > :04:02.cleaner energy, better ways of sourcing energy. In terms of the

:04:03. > :04:06.stability of the engine market, a bad decision for government policy

:04:07. > :04:12.on energy, and in an immediate sense, the anger will be directed to

:04:13. > :04:18.the gamut from people in Lancashire. We elected local councils to make

:04:19. > :04:21.planning decisions. To have a government decision, from a person

:04:22. > :04:26.not living in the area, does not have links air, there will be a lot

:04:27. > :04:32.of angry people. Since taking over as Prime Minister, Theresa May

:04:33. > :04:35.launched a consultation meaning homeowners get individual payments

:04:36. > :04:41.for fracking wells drilled nearby. If those payments were made, would

:04:42. > :04:46.it soften the blow? I have spoken to local people about the announcement.

:04:47. > :04:50.There was a feeling there was an attempt to pit neighbour against

:04:51. > :04:55.neighbour, going down quite badly. Ultimately the impact of fracking in

:04:56. > :05:03.Lancashire, it may create a handful of jobs, but risking hundreds of

:05:04. > :05:07.jobs, already here, in things like tourism, who will want to come on

:05:08. > :05:16.holiday here, if it is a countryside full of fracking wells? She has said

:05:17. > :05:18.she has had the formal government e-mail on the decision about

:05:19. > :05:25.fracking in Lancashire, saying the Preston new Road scheme will go

:05:26. > :05:32.ahead. The Rose Aker would scheme is on hold. We have not seen the

:05:33. > :05:38.decision, she has seen it. Friends of the Earth saying that is the

:05:39. > :05:42.verdict put forward by the government, as does Cuadrilla, the

:05:43. > :05:44.company involved. We will keep you updated as we get more on that.

:05:45. > :05:51.Let's catch up on more of the news. At least 23 people have died

:05:52. > :05:53.after Hurricane Matthew hit Rescue workers are struggling

:05:54. > :05:57.to reach parts of the country cut off by the most powerful Caribbean

:05:58. > :05:59.hurricane in nearly a decade. Hundreds of thousands of people

:06:00. > :06:02.in Florida and South Carolina have been told to evacuate

:06:03. > :06:04.as Hurricane Matthew moves The governor of Florida

:06:05. > :06:08.has warned the damage People caught carrying knives

:06:09. > :06:15.illegally should face longer jail terms according

:06:16. > :06:17.to The Sentencing Council The organisation also wants young

:06:18. > :06:20.offenders who post films of attacks on social media

:06:21. > :06:23.to face tougher penalties. It says it wants sentences to better

:06:24. > :06:26.reflect public concern amid a rise A woman who lost a leg in the Smiler

:06:27. > :06:33.roller-coaster crash at Alton Towers has told this programme she's not

:06:34. > :06:36.doesn't see the point of being angry Vicky Balch, one of 16 people hurt

:06:37. > :06:41.on the ride in June last year, told us that things "could have

:06:42. > :06:43.turned out worse". Last week, Alton Towers' operator

:06:44. > :06:46.was fined five million pounds over Independent research seen by the BBC

:06:47. > :07:00.suggests that Heathrow Airport The people working on the ride were

:07:01. > :07:05.working to the best of their ability. Working as they knew how to

:07:06. > :07:10.work. I am not angry, not cross. I am more annoyed, there should have

:07:11. > :07:13.been proper training put in place, like now.

:07:14. > :07:16.Independent research seen by the BBC suggests that Heathrow Airport

:07:17. > :07:18.could build a third runway without breaking European

:07:19. > :07:27.The study - which was led by Cambridge University -

:07:28. > :07:29.involved placing a network of air quality sensors in and

:07:30. > :07:39.The findings are disputed by anti-3rd runway campaigners.

:07:40. > :07:42.The government is due to announce in the coming weeks

:07:43. > :07:43.whether it wants to expand Heathrow or Gatwick.

:07:44. > :07:46.Kylie Minogue's British fiance has said the couple won't get married

:07:47. > :07:48.until same-sex marriage becomes legal in Australia.

:07:49. > :07:50.The Australian singer and English actor Joshua Sasse

:07:51. > :07:51.announced their engagement earlier this year.

:07:52. > :07:54.The couple have been vocal supporters of the "Say I Do Down

:07:55. > :08:01.The government has proposed holding a public vote on same-sex

:08:02. > :08:16.We will speak to one of Kylie Minogue's friends, Cathy let, about

:08:17. > :08:33.that decision. She can tell us more behind the thinking. -- Kathy Lett.

:08:34. > :08:37.We will start with the world anti-dating agency, they say hackers

:08:38. > :08:41.who leaked medical records of some of the world's bigger sports stars

:08:42. > :08:47.may have doctored data. The so-called Fancy Bears stole

:08:48. > :08:52.information from wider, saying they wanted to highlight doping in sport.

:08:53. > :08:57.Mo Farah was targeted, his records showed he had been given a mission

:08:58. > :09:02.to take a banned substance to treat a medical condition. A wider

:09:03. > :09:09.spokesman says not all information released reflects their own data.

:09:10. > :09:12.Wales' footballers are in the energy take on Austria in their second

:09:13. > :09:18.World Cup qualifier. The Austrian coach suggested Wales were lucky to

:09:19. > :09:22.get as far as the semifinals in Euro 2016. Despite stoking the fire, he

:09:23. > :09:30.thinks Wales will be high on self-confidence. Here is Chris

:09:31. > :09:35.Coleman's response. That semifinal achievement, you can get lucky over

:09:36. > :09:40.the space of 90 minutes. You don't achieve that by being lucky, that is

:09:41. > :09:45.for sure. We had a bit of luck here or there, we had bad luck, like

:09:46. > :09:51.everything else. The reason for our achievements, because we are a good

:09:52. > :09:54.team. The new women's Super League champions, Manchester City will play

:09:55. > :09:58.in the last 32 of the women's Champions League later. Two British

:09:59. > :10:08.clubs suffering heavy first leg defeat. Chelsea losing to Wolfsburg

:10:09. > :10:14.heavenly. Burnley thrashed 6-0 by Bayern Munich. Joanna Conser through

:10:15. > :10:31.to the quarterfinals in Beijing. -- Johanna Konta. She had never beaten

:10:32. > :10:35.her opponent before. The second set when 6-3 to force a deciding one. It

:10:36. > :10:42.went all the way to a tie-break. She took it 7-2 to earn her sixth win

:10:43. > :10:55.over the top-10 player this year. She will face Simona Halep or Zhang

:10:56. > :11:00.in the semifinal. Justin Rose will miss the last months of the golf

:11:01. > :11:03.season with a back injury. His last appearance came in the European

:11:04. > :11:10.Ryder Cup defeat at the weekend. Britain most decorated Paralympian,

:11:11. > :11:17.Dame Sarah Storey, and Laura Kenny had claimed there is inequality

:11:18. > :11:23.between men and women's Road cycling. A minimum wage exists in

:11:24. > :11:29.men's Road cycling, but not women. Sarah Storey say she and her

:11:30. > :11:33.husband, Barney, have had to bear a lack of finance. I'm not sure

:11:34. > :11:37.whether we are headed that way, but we have to attract sponsorship,

:11:38. > :11:42.proving the events and the quality of the teams, allowing riders to

:11:43. > :11:48.take a wage. Ultimately allowing staff to take a wage. So many

:11:49. > :11:53.women's teams rely on volunteers. Barney and I went without payment

:11:54. > :12:01.for three years. Even those winning things, we have been seen as a

:12:02. > :12:05.successful team, even we do not have the revenue to pay ourselves, let

:12:06. > :12:07.alone pay the riders. Dame Sarah Storey. Back with a brief update

:12:08. > :12:16.just after 10:30 a.m.. The government has approved one of

:12:17. > :12:21.two sites in the north-west of England for fracking for shale gas.

:12:22. > :12:28.The second site has been delayed. Navy official statement from the

:12:29. > :12:35.government. David Cox is the director of London Energy Promoting.

:12:36. > :12:41.It is some progress, most people in the energy industry hoping we see

:12:42. > :12:45.some real fracking going on, to see whether we can produce this gas

:12:46. > :12:50.economically in the UK. Helping our security of supply, providing money

:12:51. > :12:57.for the government coffers. At least we have movement and one. Presumably

:12:58. > :13:05.the other one will be proved quite shortly. I'm expecting them to

:13:06. > :13:09.improve both. No long on -- no word on the second one. It is not

:13:10. > :13:13.popular, local people do not want this. That is a problem, quite a

:13:14. > :13:18.successful campaign by the environmental lobby, against

:13:19. > :13:25.producing our own natural resources. This has brought this country's

:13:26. > :13:28.strengthen the past. The environmental concerns are

:13:29. > :13:33.overblown. We will produce this gas safely, in an environmentally safe

:13:34. > :13:40.way. We had to get on and see whether we can produce economically.

:13:41. > :13:42.On the reassurances. How can you give people complete reassurances.

:13:43. > :13:47.There are concerns about potentially the impact on the water,

:13:48. > :13:53.contamination, noise, traffic pollution. There were two minor

:13:54. > :13:59.earthquakes in Lancashire previously, prompting a temporary

:14:00. > :14:03.ban. The earthquakes are slightly exaggerating the problem. The

:14:04. > :14:11.geological Society told me it was more akin to a heavy lorry going

:14:12. > :14:16.past your house. Hardly an earthquake. Nothing is completely

:14:17. > :14:19.safe. Any industrial process, any process, has risks. The

:14:20. > :14:24.environmental standards put in place to make sure it is done safely, I

:14:25. > :14:30.would have no problem living next to this type of facility. There are

:14:31. > :14:35.facilities around the UK, onshore oil and gas production feels people

:14:36. > :14:40.do not know are there. Reducing gas and oil safely for many years. We

:14:41. > :14:44.have to get on and see whether we can do it. Rather than pushing the

:14:45. > :14:51.problem abroad. Produce it in Nigeria, the Middle East, the US.

:14:52. > :14:54.Not our problem. We can use it to keep our houses warm, the

:14:55. > :14:58.environmental concerns with the leave to you. We should produce it

:14:59. > :15:04.ourselves, in an environmentally safe way, making money for the

:15:05. > :15:09.national coffers. I am hearing you say you would be happy to live next

:15:10. > :15:17.to a site producing shale gas. People living in the area may say

:15:18. > :15:21.that is easy to say when you don't? I am an environmental scientist by

:15:22. > :15:27.training. One of his first jobs I had when working for British Gas,

:15:28. > :15:30.environmental monitoring on an oil-producing field, which exists

:15:31. > :15:36.down in Dorset, in an area of outstanding natural beauty. I would

:15:37. > :15:41.go down there, monitor the site, nobody locally knew the site was

:15:42. > :15:47.there. A lot of fear is being got up by the environmental lobby. I don't

:15:48. > :15:51.respect. You have to deal with the facts, not simply scare people all

:15:52. > :15:57.the time about earthquakes, flames coming out of the, the line they

:15:58. > :16:02.have taken so far. They sit on evidence, look at what we can do in

:16:03. > :16:06.environmentally safe way. And we can produce this gas, if we can produce

:16:07. > :16:11.economically, we can produce it safely, in a way that keeps our

:16:12. > :16:15.houses warm for the next 20 or 30 years.

:16:16. > :16:24.Thank you for joining us. We can talk now to a commodity strategist,

:16:25. > :16:31.Christopher Ecclestone. Thank you for joining us. What is your

:16:32. > :16:34.perspective on this? I think it is a necessary step. Frankly in a

:16:35. > :16:41.post-Brexit environment, the UK has an energy deficit, an enormous

:16:42. > :16:48.deficit, and it will need to deal with its energy shortages that are

:16:49. > :16:53.imminent. The only real way that energy is available is through

:16:54. > :16:58.exploring the fracking option. What has happened is actually just the

:16:59. > :17:04.first step in this whole process. One cannot overdramatised it because

:17:05. > :17:13.it is just exploration. They may not find anything. They may not find

:17:14. > :17:20.enough. They may not find whatever would be economical to extract.

:17:21. > :17:24.There are a number of steps to consider before reduction even came

:17:25. > :17:33.into play. And what about the safety concerns? People are concerned. In

:17:34. > :17:38.recent years, particularly in the US where shale gas extraction has

:17:39. > :17:41.happened, there have been talks about earthquakes and it is obvious

:17:42. > :17:46.that earthquakes have increased in places like Oklahoma because of

:17:47. > :17:51.fracking. The question is whether the geology is the same as

:17:52. > :17:56.Lancashire. I doubt it. Ultimately down the track we will have to see

:17:57. > :18:00.how this plays out. In the US, fracking and extraction has been

:18:01. > :18:02.very aggressive. I would think even if something is discovered in

:18:03. > :18:08.Lancashire, the government will be very cautious about the extent and

:18:09. > :18:17.the rate of extraction, and how it is done. There are still a lot of

:18:18. > :18:21.decisions to be made about whether this is going to be something that

:18:22. > :18:24.is allowed to go ahead full throttle or whether there will be lots of

:18:25. > :18:33.restrictions placed upon it. Thank you very much. A wide range of views

:18:34. > :18:36.on the decision on fracking. It is not popular locally. Our

:18:37. > :18:45.correspondents David Guest is at one of the sites. What will the reaction

:18:46. > :18:51.be there? There will be a mixed reaction. As you say, this has been

:18:52. > :18:56.a controversial matter. I am in Little Plumpton and the site behind

:18:57. > :19:02.me has been approved and it runs alongside Preston New Road. This has

:19:03. > :19:06.been a contentious issue in Lancashire. This County Council

:19:07. > :19:10.rejected the application after a very heated debate. There were lots

:19:11. > :19:13.of protests from people in Lancashire. On the other side there

:19:14. > :19:18.are business groups who have been arguing for the economic benefits of

:19:19. > :19:22.fracking today, saying there is a big resource under the ground and we

:19:23. > :19:27.should be exploiting it. On the other hand, I spoke to a protest a

:19:28. > :19:28.short time ago who said it is a blow to democracy. Lancashire County

:19:29. > :19:52.Council turned it down and the government

:19:53. > :19:55.have jumped in and overturned it. The government made no secret of the

:19:56. > :19:58.fact they were in favour of moving ahead with shale gas exploration as

:19:59. > :19:59.a method of meeting energy needs in the UK in the coming years. Thank

:20:00. > :20:00.you. "If people carry knives,

:20:01. > :20:03.there is always the risk that they will be used,

:20:04. > :20:05.and with tragic consequences" - the words of the Sentencing Council

:20:06. > :20:07.which, along with families and friends of victims of knife

:20:08. > :20:10.crime, is calling for people who carry knives to face

:20:11. > :20:12.tougher prison sentences. The group, which produces guidelines

:20:13. > :20:14.on sentencing for judges, says they need to do more to reflect

:20:15. > :20:17.public concern about the problem. The draft guidelines also recommend

:20:18. > :20:19.stiffer sentences for anyone who posts violent material on social

:20:20. > :20:25.media bragging about their exploits. It comes as official figures show

:20:26. > :20:27.that the number of people carrying a knife have gone up 13% in the last

:20:28. > :20:28.year. Police recorded 27,000 offences involving a knife in 2015

:20:29. > :20:33.and of those 188 resulted in death. We can talk now to Caroline

:20:34. > :20:35.Shearer whose son Jay was stabbed and killed in 2012,

:20:36. > :20:38.Mahamed Hashi, a youth worker from South London who admits

:20:39. > :20:40.he once carried a weapon, and Sheldon Thomas, a former gang

:20:41. > :20:50.member who now advises Caroline, your son was stabbed to

:20:51. > :21:00.death when he was 17. Tell us what happened. Yes, Jay was a A-level

:21:01. > :21:03.student at it went to a private party and it was gate-crashed.

:21:04. > :21:07.Somebody approached his friend and Jay tried to protect his friend

:21:08. > :21:13.saying he didn't want any trouble, and they stabbed him. It was

:21:14. > :21:17.gate-crashed by a gang, a wannabe gang, if you like. You have had a

:21:18. > :21:21.horrific personal experience of knife crime. What do you think when

:21:22. > :21:26.you hear the sentencing council talking about longer sentences? For

:21:27. > :21:30.the past four years I have been working with an array of knife crime

:21:31. > :21:33.victims. Many of them are high profile and many of them are low

:21:34. > :21:38.profile and we all stand together on this. The actual sentencing that

:21:39. > :21:45.they have already got isn't working. This is a knee jerk reaction from

:21:46. > :21:48.the government. It is a total... Just something to shut us up. Most

:21:49. > :21:54.of these will never seek prison themselves. It is all done on

:21:55. > :21:59.culpability. One of the questions is reasonable excuses. Can somebody

:22:00. > :22:03.define reasonable excuse? Anything can be a reasonable excuse. Our

:22:04. > :22:07.children are not born with knives in their hands. A reasonable excuse for

:22:08. > :22:12.carrying a weapon? Exactly. Our children are not born with weapons

:22:13. > :22:15.in their hands. It is down to training and education. If the

:22:16. > :22:25.traders do not have the experience to train the children and the youth

:22:26. > :22:28.of today, unfortunately we don't stand a chance. There has got to be

:22:29. > :22:30.a deterrent, and the deterrent is not community work. We are talking

:22:31. > :22:32.about people, youngsters and some older people, walking around with

:22:33. > :22:41.weapons in their pockets. These are weapons that kill. Talking about

:22:42. > :22:45.explaining why people would carry knives, you were attacked by

:22:46. > :22:48.somebody with a knife, and you decided to carry something around

:22:49. > :22:52.with you for protection, a screwdriver. Tell us about your

:22:53. > :22:56.experience. That is right. I was stabbed in an attempted robbery on a

:22:57. > :23:01.bus and I decided to fight back and I was overpowered. I was

:23:02. > :23:06.subsequently stabbed. For me what that did was really upset me. The

:23:07. > :23:10.police decided not to pursue the group of boys because it was a large

:23:11. > :23:15.group. I thought if they can't protect me, who will? I work with a

:23:16. > :23:22.lot of young people who have been victims of knife crime. Changing the

:23:23. > :23:27.sentencing, as Caroline says, will make no difference. The issue is and

:23:28. > :23:34.should be looking at what is driving Safir. For me this is an example by

:23:35. > :23:41.the sentencing committee that they are disconnected from the problems.

:23:42. > :23:45.-- what is driving the fear? Do you see this about fear and not bravado

:23:46. > :23:49.and wanting to be aggressive? Definitely. I am not advocating

:23:50. > :23:53.carrying weapons but we have got to understand the lives of some of

:23:54. > :24:00.these young people. When you go on these estates and you see mass

:24:01. > :24:04.unemployment, absent fathers, mothers with children from two or

:24:05. > :24:07.three different men in some circumstances, not in all cases,

:24:08. > :24:10.these young men are growing up where they don't want to be part of gangs.

:24:11. > :24:14.We have got to understand that there are more young people not involved

:24:15. > :24:18.in gangs than involved in gangs. These young people feel nobody is

:24:19. > :24:22.keeping them safe. Remember that the youth service was disbanded many

:24:23. > :24:26.years ago and that was one of the things that went out engaging people

:24:27. > :24:30.on these particular estates. We don't have a safer neighbourhood

:24:31. > :24:34.police force any more because that has been disbanded. Caroline is

:24:35. > :24:40.shaking her head. I don't agree with that. I do not agree with because of

:24:41. > :24:44.absence fathers and the way they have grown up. Before Jay was

:24:45. > :24:51.murdered I was a foster carer for adolescent teenage boys who had had

:24:52. > :24:56.horrendous lives. But they didn't go out of my home and start carrying a

:24:57. > :25:00.weapon. There is no excuse. The only excuse they are using at the moment

:25:01. > :25:05.is mandatory. I don't care where they come from and I don't care what

:25:06. > :25:09.lies behind it. Yes, some of them have got but a brilliant and some of

:25:10. > :25:16.them haven't got a father, but they are out there and they want money.

:25:17. > :25:18.The reason they want money is for a Rolex, their shoes, and they can't

:25:19. > :25:22.get money anywhere else. The employment isn't there for some of

:25:23. > :25:26.these youngsters. I understand Caroline's paint and I haven't lost

:25:27. > :25:30.a son, so I understand where she is coming from. One of the things that

:25:31. > :25:35.I think Caroline needs to understand is it is easy for us to sit in

:25:36. > :25:37.judgment of a young person and their life. But she is talking about

:25:38. > :25:41.somebody carrying knives to rob someone and not in self defence.

:25:42. > :25:47.Most of the young people carrying weapons are not out there to rob

:25:48. > :25:52.people. I am sorry! Can I just finished? A lot of young people who

:25:53. > :25:58.are caught our first time offenders. Secondly a lot of the people who...

:25:59. > :26:00.But what we are talking about here with the sentencing guidelines is

:26:01. > :26:06.repeat offenders and it is about sending out a message to stop people

:26:07. > :26:10.using them where it does result in deaths. But you can't arrest and

:26:11. > :26:16.lock your way out of this system. Remember this. What would stop

:26:17. > :26:20.someone? We need to look at the psychological factors that cause

:26:21. > :26:26.these young people to want to pick up a knife. Now specifically on

:26:27. > :26:29.that? Training and education. Five years after I was stabbed I was

:26:30. > :26:33.diagnosed with post traumatic stress and so many of these young people

:26:34. > :26:37.are walking around with that. In London we have the highest

:26:38. > :26:40.incidences of youth violence and mental health issues. Until we

:26:41. > :26:43.address the underlying issues about why young people have this fear and

:26:44. > :26:47.what is affecting the psychological well-being in terms of making the

:26:48. > :26:52.right decisions, we will not get to the bottom of this. Locking somebody

:26:53. > :26:55.up does not get to the bottom of the psychological factors and white

:26:56. > :27:01.young children do not feel safe in their neighbourhood. -- why young

:27:02. > :27:04.children. We need to address the root causes, which is what the

:27:05. > :27:11.government doesn't want to do. They think by locking somebody up, it is

:27:12. > :27:14.excess but it is a failure. We have young people going into prison,

:27:15. > :27:18.mixing with criminals who are much more violent than they are, and they

:27:19. > :27:21.come at worse than when they went in and that is why they repeat

:27:22. > :27:25.offender. There is no real limitation in the prison system. We

:27:26. > :27:28.are locking people up and making the situation worse. We have got to

:27:29. > :27:33.understand that we have got to get to the root causes and the drivers.

:27:34. > :27:40.If these tools and were educated at a young age before they meet their

:27:41. > :27:44.peers. We are teaching sex education at the age of eight and we are

:27:45. > :27:49.training young people in weapons and the dangers and the consequences and

:27:50. > :27:54.PTSD. Which I also suffer from. I deal with hundreds of victims. My

:27:55. > :27:58.charity isn't just about my son. On the point of the training you are

:27:59. > :28:01.talking about, you are talking about it coming from outside the home

:28:02. > :28:06.because they are not getting it at home. We have trained over 50,000

:28:07. > :28:16.children so far. We have a 100% track record. We have teamed up with

:28:17. > :28:18.Close To Home. We are in Hackney, in Barnet, the Home Office is coming

:28:19. > :28:21.down and they need to see the training we are doing but we are

:28:22. > :28:26.also training the trainers. The training she is talking about is

:28:27. > :28:29.fantastic but this is what people are failing to understand. Those

:28:30. > :28:37.children have still got to go home to broken homes, to estates. We are

:28:38. > :28:40.in a situation where we have not accepted that society has changed

:28:41. > :28:45.dramatically in terms of broken families, in terms of deprivation.

:28:46. > :28:50.Caroline is making the point that not everyone from a bad background

:28:51. > :28:53.picks up a knife. The people that will be found and arrested are

:28:54. > :28:59.normally the ones coming from particular backgrounds. For me, I

:29:00. > :29:05.understand both points and I do agree, but to me it is fair. -- it

:29:06. > :29:09.is fear. You cannot train your way out of fear and talks abut it out of

:29:10. > :29:13.it. You have got to make young people feel safe and if they don't

:29:14. > :29:17.feel safe, they will make themselves feel safe. I didn't carry a knife,

:29:18. > :29:21.carried a screwdriver because I was too afraid to carry a knife. Two

:29:22. > :29:30.days into carrying that, my mum caught me and I had to face that. I

:29:31. > :29:33.was in fear. I was six feet at 16 and I felt comfortable defending

:29:34. > :29:37.myself but I couldn't defend myself against the larger numbers of people

:29:38. > :29:42.armed with knives. For me the issue is when you look at prison, 95% of

:29:43. > :29:45.the young people suffer from mental health, and you never see the

:29:46. > :29:49.government addressing these issues in terms of the trauma they have

:29:50. > :29:52.suffered. This is the point. I totally accept what Caroline has

:29:53. > :30:04.said but I am in total agreement with him because we have got to

:30:05. > :30:07.address the fear factor of children on these estates and look at the

:30:08. > :30:09.psychological factors, which the government doesn't want to go down,

:30:10. > :30:12.because there are costs involved. We need to look at all of that. I am

:30:13. > :30:13.scared of guns that I don't carry one. Thank you to you all for

:30:14. > :30:17.talking to us. Kylie Minogue and her fiance

:30:18. > :30:19.put their wedding on hold until same-sex marriage becomes

:30:20. > :30:21.legal in Australia. We'll speak to one of her friends,

:30:22. > :30:32.best-selling author Kathy Lette. For the first time in 100 years why

:30:33. > :30:33.British Vogue is featuring real women on its pages rather than

:30:34. > :30:39.models. With the news here's Annita

:30:40. > :30:53.in the BBC Newsroom. The government has given Cuadrilla

:30:54. > :31:01.approval to drill for gas on one of its sites. Last year the local

:31:02. > :31:04.council rejected the application, it appealed, the government intervened

:31:05. > :31:07.to make the final ruling because it claimed it was so important.

:31:08. > :31:09.At least 23 people have died after Hurricane Matthew hit

:31:10. > :31:13.Rescue workers are struggling to reach parts of the country cut

:31:14. > :31:15.off by the region's most powerful hurricane in nearly a decade.

:31:16. > :31:18.Hundreds of thousands of people in Florida and South Carolina have

:31:19. > :31:20.been told to evacuate as Hurricane Matthew moves

:31:21. > :31:23.The governor of Florida has warned the damage there

:31:24. > :31:29.People caught carrying knives illegally should face longer

:31:30. > :31:31.jail terms according to the Sentencing Council

:31:32. > :31:36.The organisation also wants young offenders who post films

:31:37. > :31:38.of attacks on social media to face tougher penalties.

:31:39. > :31:41.It says it wants sentences to better reflect public concern amid a rise

:31:42. > :31:47.Independent research seen by the BBC suggests that Heathrow airport

:31:48. > :31:49.could build a third runway without breaking

:31:50. > :31:55.The study - which was led by Cambridge University -

:31:56. > :31:57.found that new laws requiring cleaner engines in lorries,

:31:58. > :32:00.buses and cars will cancel out any extra pollution

:32:01. > :32:03.However, the findings are disputed by the pressure group,

:32:04. > :32:07.The government is due to announce in the coming weeks whether it wants

:32:08. > :32:16.A woman who lost a leg in the Smiler rollercoaster crash at Alton Towers

:32:17. > :32:19.has told this programme she's not doesn't see the point of being angry

:32:20. > :32:24.Vicky Balch, one of 16 people hurt on the ride in June last year,

:32:25. > :32:26.told us that things could have turned out worse.

:32:27. > :32:28.Last week, Alton Towers' operator was fined ?5 million

:32:29. > :32:43.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

:32:44. > :32:49.Time for the sport. Wales are in Vienna to take on Austria in their

:32:50. > :32:54.second World Cup qualifier today. The Austrian coach suggesting Wales

:32:55. > :32:58.were lucky to get as far as the semifinals in Euro 2016. Unfortunate

:32:59. > :33:04.Austria were knocked out in the group stages. Both British clubs

:33:05. > :33:12.suffered heavy defeats in the last 32 of the Women's Champions League.

:33:13. > :33:16.Chelsea losing 3-0 to last year's beaten semifinalists will spur,

:33:17. > :33:23.Hibernian thrashed 6-0 by Bayern Munich. Johanna Konta through in

:33:24. > :33:30.three sets to reach the quarterfinals at the Chinese Open.

:33:31. > :33:35.BBC Sports understand England have suffered another injury blow ahead

:33:36. > :33:41.of the autumn internationals. The Bath winger Anthony Watson suffering

:33:42. > :33:47.a broken jaw at training camp. The second led to the injured after Sam

:33:48. > :33:48.Jones broke his leg. That is it for me, more sports news throughout the

:33:49. > :33:51.day. Kylie Minogue won't be

:33:52. > :33:54.marrying her fiance, Joshua Sasse, until same-sex marriage

:33:55. > :34:05.becomes legal in Australia. Miss Minogue has previously

:34:06. > :34:07.described Australia as backward on marriage equality,

:34:08. > :34:09.saying the Earth didn't cave in in other countries where it is legal

:34:10. > :34:15.and that love is love. A public vote on the issue will be

:34:16. > :34:18.held in the country next February. Joining us now is Kathy Lette,

:34:19. > :34:21.the Australian writer and author, And in Western Australia

:34:22. > :34:26.is Stephen Dawson. He's an MP in the country

:34:27. > :34:29.and was one of the first same sex couples to get married

:34:30. > :34:38.there in 2013. Have you spoken to her about this?

:34:39. > :34:41.They rang me, saying they had started the campaign. A brilliant

:34:42. > :34:46.idea, embarrassing we don't have same-sex marriage. When I turn on

:34:47. > :34:49.the television in Australia, I expect it to be black-and-white,

:34:50. > :34:56.because we have gone back in time. They are saying you can have a

:34:57. > :35:00.plebiscite. We don't need, 70% agree. A huge waste of money.

:35:01. > :35:05.Malcolm Turnbull doing that to placate the right wing of the party.

:35:06. > :35:10.They could pass the law, making us look like an advanced country. At

:35:11. > :35:15.the moment we're just backwards. When Kylie says she will not get

:35:16. > :35:19.married until it is legal. She has one eye on the referendum. It is

:35:20. > :35:25.planned for February, complete waste of money. Why is it something she

:35:26. > :35:32.feels so strongly about. Kylie is a gay icon. She is author free love,

:35:33. > :35:38.people being able to express their love and affection to whoever they

:35:39. > :35:43.feel drawn to. As it should be. A great spokeswoman, great advocate.

:35:44. > :35:46.Hughes Ian loved everybody else is madly in love, they should be able

:35:47. > :35:53.to celebrate the union in the same way. Proud for her to stand up this

:35:54. > :35:58.way. When they come out on this issue people listen. Gets a lot of

:35:59. > :36:02.attention. Australia has been innovative country. One of the first

:36:03. > :36:06.countries to give women the inventing the secret ballot. First

:36:07. > :36:10.country to have a Labour government, albeit in Queens land. We are built

:36:11. > :36:14.on a egalitarianism and equality. The fact we are not treating people

:36:15. > :36:21.equally in this area, perplexing embarrassing. We need to change the

:36:22. > :36:25.law to morrow. Let's bring in Stephen Dawson, a gay MP. What do

:36:26. > :36:35.you think about Kylie 's stepping in this way? We're very proud of her.

:36:36. > :36:38.-- Kylie stepping in this way. Obviously the couple are very much

:36:39. > :36:44.in love, to put on hold their marriage to assist the rest of us to

:36:45. > :36:53.get married, makes us very proud. Will it make a difference? Look, I

:36:54. > :36:57.hope so. Over 70% of Australians support marriage equality. The

:36:58. > :37:01.politicians in Parliament could legislate today or tomorrow if they

:37:02. > :37:06.wanted to. Really they need to get on with the job we pay them for. To

:37:07. > :37:09.vote on the legislation. The referendum will go ahead in

:37:10. > :37:16.February. What do you anticipate happening? At this stage, not clear

:37:17. > :37:20.whether it will go ahead. A number of the vertical parties have said

:37:21. > :37:24.they were not supported. The Green Party saying they will support it,

:37:25. > :37:29.independence will support it. The Labour Party will eventually come

:37:30. > :37:35.out and say they don't support it. If that is a case, there will be no

:37:36. > :37:39.plebiscite in February. Spending upwards of $200 million on a vote

:37:40. > :37:43.that does not count. Hopefully the plebiscite gets knocked on the head.

:37:44. > :37:47.The politicians can make a decision we voted them in do. In countries

:37:48. > :37:54.where gay marriage is legal, perfectly normal, they may well be

:37:55. > :38:02.surprised to hear it is not the case in Australia? Absolutely. I am from

:38:03. > :38:07.Ireland originally. In Catholic Ireland, people voted to allow

:38:08. > :38:12.same-sex marriage. Really this is an issue that makes us look backwards

:38:13. > :38:23.in Australia. We are very innovative, mostly a progressive

:38:24. > :38:28.country, as Kathy pointed out. I hope we move on it quickly. The

:38:29. > :38:32.other bad thing about a plebiscite, it stirs up vitriol and hatred

:38:33. > :38:35.towards gay people. As we saw with Brexit. Look at the tragedy,

:38:36. > :38:59.involving Jo Cox. Is that happening? , there

:39:00. > :39:02.is concern about vitriol, attacks. There are high instances of

:39:03. > :39:11.attempted suicide in the LG BT community. A campaign may have a

:39:12. > :39:17.terrible impact, particularly young LG BT people in Australia. Real

:39:18. > :39:21.concern. We should all put on our hot pants, feather bowlers, shimmy

:39:22. > :39:27.around, refuse to do anything else until we get same-sex rights for

:39:28. > :39:34.people in Australia. Tiara time. I'm assuming Kylie does not expect she

:39:35. > :39:38.will never be able to get married. She said she will not get married in

:39:39. > :39:41.Australia, they may get married somewhere else. She wants to get

:39:42. > :39:46.married there, that is where her family and friends are. She wants to

:39:47. > :39:53.get married here, but not until they have same-sex marriage. Is there a

:39:54. > :39:59.final date? My lips are big, but sealed. I want to be the major

:40:00. > :40:08.dishonour! I was seen at the party Steve. We won Kylie to get married.

:40:09. > :40:12.-- I will see you at the party. We have work to do, to change the laws,

:40:13. > :40:23.so Kylie and Joshua can have their nuptials here. Willie dust off the

:40:24. > :40:33.frock? -- will you dust off. It will be frock fantastic. The gas company

:40:34. > :40:38.Cuadrilla has won the right to fractional gas in Lancashire. A

:40:39. > :40:40.second site has been delayed. What is fracking, David Shipman discusses

:40:41. > :40:44.how it works. The first part of the operation

:40:45. > :40:47.involves drilling straight down and then turning the drill horizontally

:40:48. > :40:49.to run for miles underground. The ability to do

:40:50. > :40:51.this is improving all The aim is to reach the tiny

:40:52. > :40:55.fissures in the shale rock Some are less than one

:40:56. > :41:03.millimetre across. That's where the molecules of gas

:41:04. > :41:06.are locked away, trapped inside. Now what's called

:41:07. > :41:07.slick water is then This forces the cracks

:41:08. > :41:11.in the rock to Tiny grains known as propents,

:41:12. > :41:14.a bit like sand, are The technology of this

:41:15. > :41:18.keeps advancing. Well, with the rock

:41:19. > :41:22.broken up, the gas is released and flushed

:41:23. > :41:23.all the Gina Dowding is a Green councillor

:41:24. > :41:34.for Lancashire County Council and she's also part of the group

:41:35. > :41:46.Frack Free Lancashire. Thanks for joining us. I assume you

:41:47. > :41:50.are disappointed with the government's move? Absolutely

:41:51. > :41:55.devastated, as will many thousands, millions of people across the

:41:56. > :42:00.country. Many people will be pleased, saying it is good for

:42:01. > :42:05.business and future energy security? The business community is saying

:42:06. > :42:12.that, the reality is, a tragedy on two France. Firstly for democracy. A

:42:13. > :42:16.long extensive process examining the implications in the planning

:42:17. > :42:22.application. Lancashire said no to fracking. Interesting Theresa May

:42:23. > :42:27.said Brexit means Brexit, as far as we are concerned in Lancashire we

:42:28. > :42:33.said no to fracking. She has overturned a democratically make

:42:34. > :42:37.decision at a local level. It has been the government's decision to

:42:38. > :42:42.back fracking, David Cameron was clear, in government, the government

:42:43. > :42:48.would be going all out for shale to boost the economy, jobs and energy

:42:49. > :42:52.security. That still does not negate the democratic process. Things have

:42:53. > :42:56.to be examined locally. A democratically elected government.

:42:57. > :43:01.The local council have looked at the implications for Lancashire. We have

:43:02. > :43:08.had the expertise and examination in the county. OK for the government to

:43:09. > :43:14.want to do something. We still are a democracy, we still need to listen

:43:15. > :43:17.to local people. What we need from government, democratically elected

:43:18. > :43:21.government is clear leadership on climate change. At the moment we

:43:22. > :43:27.have Theresa May saying one thing, doing another. The fossil fuel,

:43:28. > :43:35.shale gas industry, it is not going to help combating climate change.

:43:36. > :43:41.What we need is a thoughtful, quick investment in and support for

:43:42. > :43:46.renewable energy industries. On the local Democratic issues you are

:43:47. > :43:50.talking about. There was a decision locally it would not go ahead, what

:43:51. > :43:59.was that based on? Environmental concerns? The whole thing, in terms

:44:00. > :44:03.of planning applications, there were material considerations taken into

:44:04. > :44:07.account. There was an environmental health impact assessment. A public

:44:08. > :44:12.report from the director of health, saying given the risks, given we

:44:13. > :44:15.don't know what the health implications are, we should not go

:44:16. > :44:20.ahead with fracking until there has been baseline monitoring. A whole

:44:21. > :44:30.range of issues look at, water, availability of water. This industry

:44:31. > :44:34.consumes loads of water. The fallback needs to be dealt with.

:44:35. > :44:42.This was all looked at in detail by local people. We are right at a

:44:43. > :44:46.time. Fracking has been happening elsewhere, that has been experienced

:44:47. > :44:54.elsewhere? We have seen more and more the evidence coming to light,

:44:55. > :44:59.contamination of water. New York State banning it, France banning it.

:45:00. > :45:03.Not plain sailing for the fracking industry, not the way forward. It is

:45:04. > :45:04.an industry of the past, we need investment and security for the

:45:05. > :45:25.renewable energy industry. Some breaking news now. The nurse

:45:26. > :45:31.Pauline Cafferkey, who was infected with the Ebola virus, has been taken

:45:32. > :45:36.to hospital in Glasgow under police escort. We don't know much more

:45:37. > :45:42.about it but she has suffered other health issues following contracting

:45:43. > :45:47.the Ebola virus. She has been in hospital several times since

:45:48. > :45:51.returning to Glasgow, having successfully been treated for the

:45:52. > :45:55.Ebola virus after she contracted it in 2014. We don't know what the

:45:56. > :46:03.latest issue is but she has been taken to hospital in Glasgow under

:46:04. > :46:07.police escort. That is being quoted by the Press Association and we will

:46:08. > :46:10.bring you more as we get it. Just checking if there is anything more.

:46:11. > :46:15.Nothing more at the moment but we will stay across it and update you

:46:16. > :46:19.if we get anything more. Lots of you getting in touch following our

:46:20. > :46:23.conversation on knives. Let me just get some of your comments to bring

:46:24. > :46:27.to you. We have had an email from Fiona. I am the mother of a

:46:28. > :46:32.23-year-old son caught carrying a knife earlier this year. He got 200

:46:33. > :46:36.hours community service and I was outraged at the leniency of his

:46:37. > :46:40.so-called sentence. No mother wants to see her child go to prison but

:46:41. > :46:44.where this behaviour is concerned, I do believe the law needs to send a

:46:45. > :46:48.stronger message. I am ashamed of his behaviour but even more ashamed

:46:49. > :46:55.that he bounced out of court laughing. Stuart has emailed. When

:46:56. > :46:57.will UK law wake up to the real world? Unless you have an extremely

:46:58. > :47:05.harsh deterrent sentence, criminals are laughing at the pathetic system.

:47:06. > :47:14.We should protect law-abiding members of society and not

:47:15. > :47:24.criminals. Isis fighters have captured large areas of Iraq and

:47:25. > :47:32.Syria. Much of the area seized was part of the Kurdish autonomous area,

:47:33. > :47:36.and recapturing it fell to the Kurdish forces. They have had some

:47:37. > :47:44.success stopping Isis advances, but as winter draws in, they face

:47:45. > :47:47.challenges. Earlier I spoke to the head of the Kurdish intelligence

:47:48. > :47:51.agency and I asked them about the difficulty of fighting Isis in

:47:52. > :47:55.Kurdistan and Syria and I asked him which territories he is focusing on.

:47:56. > :48:00.Mainly in Iraq but sometimes we have got to go across the board. Isis did

:48:01. > :48:10.a good job of taking away the borders. We focus on Syria and Iraq.

:48:11. > :48:16.How much territory does Isis control? Only in the Kurdish region

:48:17. > :48:21.of Iraq we have 950 kilometres of border with us. You can imagine the

:48:22. > :48:26.scale of the territory they control, Isis. Describe how they operate. How

:48:27. > :48:32.do they compare to a conventional enemy or any other enemy? An enemy I

:48:33. > :48:36.have never seen anything like before. Different techniques,

:48:37. > :48:41.different tactics all the time, very dynamic. They change their way of

:48:42. > :48:50.operation. It takes a while to get used to. Fighting, their style of

:48:51. > :48:56.fighting. More gorilla warfare. The techniques they have to defend

:48:57. > :49:04.themselves, mining, trenches, they are very good at them. It has been

:49:05. > :49:08.quite successful in slowing down the Iraqi forces and the Kurdish forces

:49:09. > :49:14.on the ground pushing against them. For example we saw them coming up

:49:15. > :49:17.with a new tactic which was using the civilians as human shields, and

:49:18. > :49:24.that really slowed down the process of liberating the area, an operation

:49:25. > :49:30.which was supposed to take two weeks. It took three months for this

:49:31. > :49:34.reason. The 10,000 civilians remained in the area and they were

:49:35. > :49:41.used as human shields, which made it very difficult for the coalition

:49:42. > :49:44.forces to do air strikes. So what tactics are the Kurdish forces

:49:45. > :49:50.deploying against them and what have you found to be successful? Look,

:49:51. > :49:57.they change their tactics and we have got to adapt to the way they

:49:58. > :50:00.fight. It was a difficult fight two years ago. When they came in they

:50:01. > :50:06.were a lot stronger and with better weapons and better armoured

:50:07. > :50:10.vehicles. It took a long time for our brave fighters to get used to

:50:11. > :50:13.the style of fighting but since two years ago we have come a long way

:50:14. > :50:17.and taken a lot of ground from them. We have taken the fight to them. We

:50:18. > :50:21.don't wait for them to come to us any longer. It is very important

:50:22. > :50:25.that you are not on the defensive, in a defensive position all the

:50:26. > :50:29.time. You have got to be on the offensive and that is how we found

:50:30. > :50:32.them to be much weaker. As you know, the battle of Mosul is coming up and

:50:33. > :50:40.preparations are under way for liberating Mosul, with a US-led

:50:41. > :50:44.coalition to provision, and multiple Iraqi forces participating in the

:50:45. > :50:51.battle. I think the battle of Mosul is essential, both for the Iraqis

:50:52. > :50:55.and for Isis. For the Iraqis it is the second largest city in Iraq

:50:56. > :51:00.after Baghdad with eight population of 2.5 million. The last stronghold

:51:01. > :51:04.of Isis in Iraq and it will be essential for the Iraqis to take it

:51:05. > :51:10.back. And for Isis, the second capital after Raqqa. It is their

:51:11. > :51:15.last stronghold in Iraq and they will try to hold onto as much as

:51:16. > :51:19.they can. They have been compared to other towns that have been retaken

:51:20. > :51:25.from Isil. The battle of Mosul has been talked about for a while. Isil

:51:26. > :51:30.is building more defensive positions and that is something to work out

:51:31. > :51:34.for, I think. What would you anticipate to be the particular

:51:35. > :51:38.issues with Mosul in terms of the way they operate? Mosul is a very

:51:39. > :51:44.complex city, multiethnic, multireligious, that is something we

:51:45. > :51:49.have got to watch out for. We have got to make sure that the regional

:51:50. > :51:56.forces are not given any kind of exclusivity on Mosul, whether it is

:51:57. > :52:02.Turkey, Iran. It should be done with Iraqi forces available right now on

:52:03. > :52:07.the ground. And something we have got to watch out for, as I mentioned

:52:08. > :52:11.in the past, with the liberation of that neighbourhood, there were

:52:12. > :52:16.10,000 civilians, and they made it very difficult for the Kurdish

:52:17. > :52:22.forces in Syria to move forward, in the timeline they wanted to. We

:52:23. > :52:25.still have over 1 million civilians inside Mosul. If I saw macro used

:52:26. > :52:37.the same tactics that they used in that area, -- if Isil use the same

:52:38. > :52:42.tactics, using civilians as human shields, we will have a very long

:52:43. > :52:43.fight. That was the head of the Kurdish intelligence agency talking

:52:44. > :52:48.to me earlier. For the first time in its one

:52:49. > :52:50.hundred year history, British Vogue is featuring real

:52:51. > :52:52.women on its pages The November issue, out today,

:52:53. > :52:56.sees chefs, charity directors, business women and female engineers

:52:57. > :52:58.modelling high end fashion. Is this a sign of change

:52:59. > :53:00.in the fashion industry, long-criticised for not presenting

:53:01. > :53:02.a balanced picture of women's bodies, or just a one off

:53:03. > :53:05.stunt for this issue? Here with us are two of the women

:53:06. > :53:08.that appeared in the issue, Sarah Johnson, who is head

:53:09. > :53:10.of sponsorship at Crossrail, the new rail link being

:53:11. > :53:12.built under London, and Jane Hutichinson, who runs

:53:13. > :53:20.the charity Hello Beautiful. Thank you for coming in. That must

:53:21. > :53:27.have been fun, modelling at Vogue and being styled? Amazing fun. And

:53:28. > :53:30.such experience. Stella McCartney has been great for my charity and

:53:31. > :53:36.coming together was a fantastic experience. You have worked with her

:53:37. > :53:40.because of the charity that you set up. Tell us more about what you

:53:41. > :53:45.thought when you got the call saying she had put you forward for this. It

:53:46. > :53:50.is amazing. We have been working for a couple of years now designing a

:53:51. > :53:57.double mastectomy bra, which is so important, when it comes to body

:53:58. > :54:01.image. It makes women feel important when they are going through a

:54:02. > :54:06.difficult time. It helps to bring them their own self-confidence. She

:54:07. > :54:10.has helped to raise funding for us. We are opening an awareness space in

:54:11. > :54:14.London next month and it has been an amazing collaboration. How did you

:54:15. > :54:18.get the call-up? I got a call asking if I was free for a women's magazine

:54:19. > :54:25.shoot and I didn't know at that time that it was Vogue and it was just a

:54:26. > :54:29.couple of weeks later that I found out. It was not something I thought

:54:30. > :54:32.I would be in ever, so I immediately said yes. What did you think when

:54:33. > :54:35.you were told it was a women's magazine shoot? What sort of

:54:36. > :54:39.magazine did you think it would be? I just never thought it would be

:54:40. > :54:43.something like Vogue with that global brand, that is so high

:54:44. > :54:48.profile. We can see the pictures that you are both in. Sarah, you are

:54:49. > :54:53.part of a group of engineers. Tell us what you are wearing and what

:54:54. > :54:58.happened with it. We did the first picture actually in the new

:54:59. > :55:01.Crossrail tunnels, which for me is amazing, to give a new audience the

:55:02. > :55:06.opportunity to see what is being built under London now. We were in

:55:07. > :55:11.safety gear. And then we were made up and put in some lovely dresses

:55:12. > :55:20.and we had a photo on the edge of the construction site, which was

:55:21. > :55:24.just absolutely amazing. One of the things that the editor Vogue said

:55:25. > :55:28.she wanted to look at was the professional culture around us

:55:29. > :55:35.dictating what we wear. Do you both feel that as an issue? Doing this,

:55:36. > :55:40.has it changed your view of what you where and how you come across? For

:55:41. > :55:45.me, I work in an office environment most of the time and it is about

:55:46. > :55:51.dressing appropriately for an office environment. I think it is fine to

:55:52. > :55:54.be feminine in that environment. I think having this feature in Vogue

:55:55. > :55:58.and showcasing a whole different sector of the industry, an industry

:55:59. > :56:02.I am proud to work in, will hopefully make people think there

:56:03. > :56:05.are other opportunities out there which might make people think

:56:06. > :56:11.further about getting into the infrastructure world. What is the

:56:12. > :56:16.potential benefit behind this, beyond obviously being something

:56:17. > :56:19.nice for you to do? I think it is great awareness for women doing all

:56:20. > :56:24.sorts of jobs in different industries, and giving women real

:56:25. > :56:27.role models to look up to. It is very important every day to wear

:56:28. > :56:32.clothes that make you feel super-confident. Done days I might

:56:33. > :56:36.be screen printing or doing art therapy workshops and other days I

:56:37. > :56:39.want to dress up, and it is about having inner confidence and showing

:56:40. > :56:45.women they can be confident and they don't have to be a certain type of

:56:46. > :56:48.model. What does it say on that? Everybody has had beautiful handbag

:56:49. > :56:53.at them and they are wearing beautiful clothes. Does it translate

:56:54. > :57:01.into the real world about being confident in who you are? This gives

:57:02. > :57:04.you more confidence every day. But isn't it saying you have got to wear

:57:05. > :57:10.hair and make-up and beautiful clothes to be out there? Definitely

:57:11. > :57:14.not. It is in confidence. We talk every day about having positive

:57:15. > :57:18.emotional awareness. We talk about mindfulness within our charity,

:57:19. > :57:23.having that personal route in confidence, and that is expressed no

:57:24. > :57:31.matter what clothes wear. For me it is important that they chose to show

:57:32. > :57:35.us in the orange safety gear underground and in slightly nicer

:57:36. > :57:42.outfits, and it is a gay to show both of those things. Actually a lot

:57:43. > :57:47.of people wear that I doubt that every day. -- it is OK to show both

:57:48. > :57:51.of those things. It shows that you are part of Crossrail, something

:57:52. > :57:55.amazing for London. The dress you what is really expensive, isn't it?

:57:56. > :58:02.That is not real or achievable. I know! It was amazing to wear it.

:58:03. > :58:06.Presumably it will be a one-off. Do you think in the end it will be a

:58:07. > :58:10.one-off that was fun and it doesn't change beyond that? I think it needs

:58:11. > :58:19.to be progressed and other magazines and they should pick this up a

:58:20. > :58:23.photograph more real women. I think other magazines should follow suit.

:58:24. > :58:27.Thank you very much. And thank you for your company today. I will see

:58:28. > :58:30.you at the same time tomorrow. Have a good afternoon. Goodbye.