12/10/2016

:00:00. > :00:16.This morning - with the so-called Calais jungle

:00:17. > :00:19.soon to be demolished - Lily Allen has been to the refugee

:00:20. > :00:24.camp for this programme to meet some of the unaccompanied children there.

:00:25. > :00:32.We've bombed your country. Put you in the hands of the Taliban and now

:00:33. > :00:38.putting you at risk, risking your life getting into our country. I

:00:39. > :00:39.apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

:00:40. > :00:49.through. We'll bring you that

:00:50. > :00:50.full report shortly - and speak to Lily Allen,

:00:51. > :00:52.live, after 10am. Also on the programme -

:00:53. > :00:55.the US firm Concentrix has been ordered to appear in front

:00:56. > :00:58.of MPs tomorrow. It's after this programme revealed

:00:59. > :01:11.hundreds of people have had Basically they were accusing me of

:01:12. > :01:16.being married to a 74-year-old bloke that used to live here, way before I

:01:17. > :01:20.did, saying that it is normal thing for my kind of age and it is my sort

:01:21. > :01:27.of behaviour. 74? He was 74. But you're only...

:01:28. > :01:30.19. When I speak to the council they said he was deceased and died in

:01:31. > :01:33.2016. We'll speak to some of those due

:01:34. > :01:36.to give evidence to MPs to tell them And we'll talk to a mother with HIV

:01:37. > :01:52.who went undiagnosed for 30 years. Hello and welcome to the programme,

:01:53. > :01:55.we're live until 11am. Later this morning we'll try

:01:56. > :01:59.and find out exactly why Will if you're watching do get

:02:00. > :02:05.in touch - and let us know because the speculation

:02:06. > :02:10.is because of some kind of fall-out And we'll hear calls for the maximum

:02:11. > :02:14.jail sentence for those convicted If you have been stalked,

:02:15. > :02:18.tell us if you think an increase in the punishment would have

:02:19. > :02:21.made any difference Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:02:22. > :02:28.and If you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

:02:29. > :02:32.figures seen by the BBC reveal a sharp increase in hospital

:02:33. > :02:34.admissions in England due Doctors blame the rise

:02:35. > :02:37.in cleanliness over But it's not clear what's happened

:02:38. > :02:46.since 2011 to drive up admissions by a third

:02:47. > :02:49.to almost 30,000 in a year. That contrasts to average admissions

:02:50. > :02:51.during the same period, Ruby is severely

:02:52. > :02:56.allergic to peanuts. And, two years ago,

:02:57. > :03:00.Ruby asked for a curry It wasn't which caused her

:03:01. > :03:06.to have a severe reaction called It was chicken korma and I just had

:03:07. > :03:11.a small amount and my lips started Across England the number

:03:12. > :03:21.of hospital admissions for allergies and anaphylactic shocks have been

:03:22. > :03:23.steadily increasing. Five years ago there were just over

:03:24. > :03:25.22,000 such admissions, but the latest figures obtained

:03:26. > :03:28.by the BBC show that the number has In total, all hospital admissions

:03:29. > :03:35.in England have increased by 8% in the last five years,

:03:36. > :03:38.but allergy specific Now, then, Oliver,

:03:39. > :03:45.have you been behaving? More children in particular are now

:03:46. > :03:47.being seen in hospital for allergies, with some doctors

:03:48. > :03:50.calling it an epidemic. Yes, we are seeing a huge number

:03:51. > :03:54.of referals now for new patients with children's allergies

:03:55. > :03:56.and we think this is due to the world we live in,

:03:57. > :03:59.in terms of environmental issues. We live in a much cleaner world

:04:00. > :04:02.than we did 100 years ago and we know that children

:04:03. > :04:04.are delayed later to common allergens, be it dust,

:04:05. > :04:08.be it pollen and also food. Whatever the number,

:04:09. > :04:10.doctors aren't expecting the number of allergy admissions to drop

:04:11. > :04:20.any time soon. Later this morning we will speak to

:04:21. > :04:23.some people who have allergies and they're going to tell us what it is

:04:24. > :04:26.like to live with the constant risk of a reaction.

:04:27. > :04:28.Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:04:29. > :04:35.Labour is putting pressure on the government to set

:04:36. > :04:41.out its Brexit strategy in more detail.

:04:42. > :04:43.Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer and Shadow Foreign

:04:44. > :04:45.Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked for clarification

:04:46. > :04:47.on 170 questions - one a day until the Prime Minister's

:04:48. > :04:49.self-imposed deadline to start the EU withdrawal process.

:04:50. > :04:53.The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament later.

:04:54. > :04:56.Our Assistant Political Editor, Norman Smith is in Westminster.

:04:57. > :05:02.Good morning Norman. Labour has been accused up to now, hasn't it, of not

:05:03. > :05:09.interrogating the Government enough about Brexit, but now from Labour,

:05:10. > :05:13.170 questions! Designed, I think, to put the pressure on the Government

:05:14. > :05:19.over setting out what their plan for Brexit actually is. So this morning

:05:20. > :05:24.we get this 170 questions, one for every day until Mrs May's deadline

:05:25. > :05:29.for triggering Article 50 and they cover everything from the

:05:30. > :05:34.implications for the economy, for immigration, for jobs, for the

:05:35. > :05:37.environment, and questions like on immigration, what sort of curbs is

:05:38. > :05:43.the Government thinking of introducing, what will be the impact

:05:44. > :05:46.on the NHS? Will there be different curbs in different parts of the

:05:47. > :05:50.country, what will be the implications for Britain citizens

:05:51. > :05:54.living in the EU? The point behind it is to put the squeeze on the

:05:55. > :06:00.Government, coupled with this debate today to set out in more clarity

:06:01. > :06:06.what Brexit actually means and to press for a Commons vote before Mrs

:06:07. > :06:09.May enters those negotiations and this morning, the Shadow Foreign

:06:10. > :06:13.Secretary, Emily Thornbury said the Government could not be allowed to

:06:14. > :06:15.get away without setting out what sort of deal it was trying to reach

:06:16. > :06:18.over Brexit. We are in a position

:06:19. > :06:20.where we have a Government who are about to make major

:06:21. > :06:24.decisions on behalf of this country and they want to go in a locked room

:06:25. > :06:27.and fight it out amongst themselves and come out with some plan

:06:28. > :06:30.that they want to keep secret. Now, we are doing our job

:06:31. > :06:32.as the opposition and We published 170 questions

:06:33. > :06:38.today that we expect At least to have some idea about,

:06:39. > :06:42.at least to have thought about, before they go and trigger

:06:43. > :06:49.Article 50. So Norman, tell us more about what

:06:50. > :06:54.we can expect from the debate and vote later? Well, this is going to

:06:55. > :06:58.be the first set piece debate on Brexit and Labour have put down a

:06:59. > :07:02.fairly general motion saying there needs to be proper scrutiny and

:07:03. > :07:06.transparency about the deal Mrs May seeks to negotiate. Now, in normal

:07:07. > :07:09.times the Government would put a big thick red pen through that motion

:07:10. > :07:15.and put their own distinct motion down. They haven't. Instead they've

:07:16. > :07:20.accepted the Labour motion and put a little proviso on then of it saying

:07:21. > :07:23.well, mustn't do anything that compromises our negotiating

:07:24. > :07:28.strategy, what that tells us, I think, there is nervousness on Mrs

:07:29. > :07:35.May's side that many Tory MPs do want a vote on any Brexit deal and

:07:36. > :07:38.so to get round the possibility of a revolt today, the Government has by

:07:39. > :07:41.and large accepted the Labour motion, but with a little tweak on

:07:42. > :07:45.the end, but there is no doubt we seem to be heading for the first

:07:46. > :07:50.real tension over Brexit and it is over the role of Parliament and

:07:51. > :07:51.whether MPs should have a vote. OK, Norman, thank you very much for

:07:52. > :07:54.that. Norman Smith. The Prison Governors Association has

:07:55. > :07:56.called on the Government to set up an independent,

:07:57. > :07:58.public inquiry into the state of prisons

:07:59. > :08:03.in England and Wales. The Association, which is holding

:08:04. > :08:05.its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

:08:06. > :08:07.is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans

:08:08. > :08:11.to invest an extra 14 million pounds Children who are at risk

:08:12. > :08:15.often get unsatisfactory protection in England,

:08:16. > :08:18.the National Audit Office says. A report by the spending watchdog

:08:19. > :08:21.found that more than three-quarters of local authority child protection

:08:22. > :08:23.services were inadequate The Department for Education says

:08:24. > :08:26.it's taking tough action Some people who complain their tax

:08:27. > :08:35.credits have been stopped in error - are being told it will be several

:08:36. > :08:38.weeks before their claims The SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh says

:08:39. > :08:43.some of her constituents haven't had their tax credits for many weeks

:08:44. > :08:46.already andthat the tax office is failing to meet its commitment

:08:47. > :08:51.to resume payments. Ms Ahmed Sheikh has tabled an urgent

:08:52. > :08:59.question in Parliament today and will be speaking to Victoria

:09:00. > :09:04.just after 9.30am. A man in the United States has been

:09:05. > :09:10.convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England,

:09:11. > :09:14.leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who's 54,

:09:15. > :09:15.sent cynanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull, who used it

:09:16. > :09:20.to kill himself in December 2012. He'd already posted a substance

:09:21. > :09:23.he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts

:09:24. > :09:25.to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin

:09:26. > :09:27.wanted to stop Mr Denton People who feel light-headed

:09:28. > :09:36.and dizzy when standing up suddenly may have a 40% higher risk

:09:37. > :09:39.of Alzheimer's disease, Scientists believe it's because less

:09:40. > :09:42.blood reaches the brain during these moments,

:09:43. > :09:44.leading to cell damage over time. Charities have welcomed

:09:45. > :09:46.the research, but say that other factors such as smoking

:09:47. > :09:52.play more of a part. The singer Lily Allen has called

:09:53. > :09:55.on the government to do more to help children living in the so-called

:09:56. > :09:57.Jungle refugee camp in Calais. French authorities have committed

:09:58. > :10:05.to demolishing the camp and re-locating its

:10:06. > :10:07.population of 9,000 by On her first visit, Lily Allen

:10:08. > :10:10.described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really,

:10:11. > :10:13.that this is happening in such close proximity to,

:10:14. > :10:22.you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people

:10:23. > :10:24.just managing to cope. Something has to be done

:10:25. > :10:26.because it can't really... You can see the full film in five

:10:27. > :10:38.minutes on the programme. Kim Kardashian is taking legal

:10:39. > :10:40.action against a website that's accused her of faking

:10:41. > :10:43.the Paris robbery. The reality TV star is suing

:10:44. > :10:45.the gossip website MediaTakeOut for alleging that she lied

:10:46. > :10:49.about the armed hold up at her hotel room in Paris and then filed

:10:50. > :10:51.a fraudulent insurance claim. French police say they believe

:10:52. > :10:53.jewellery worth millions That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:54. > :11:07.News. More from me at 9.30am. Sport in a moment, Look at President

:11:08. > :11:14.Obama. There's a guy on the radio

:11:15. > :11:18.who apparently... He's demob happy, isn't he? That was

:11:19. > :11:52.actually him smelling his own hand! We'll bring you that

:11:53. > :11:55.film with Lily Allen Do get in touch with us

:11:56. > :11:58.throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged

:11:59. > :12:02.at the standard network rate. Let's get some sport

:12:03. > :12:04.now with John Watson. John, not a great night

:12:05. > :12:17.in the World Cup qualifiers Let's start about England and Joe

:12:18. > :12:21.Hart came to the rescue? Joe Hart was the keeper for England last

:12:22. > :12:24.night. There was a drab game. A disappointing goalless draw against

:12:25. > :12:29.Slovenia. England didn't manage to register a goal. A shot on target in

:12:30. > :12:32.the first-half, but Joe Hart was the man of the moment who salvaged

:12:33. > :12:41.England a point. That was one of a string of saves he made last night.

:12:42. > :12:47.The stand out one was when he managed to tip the top of the bar. A

:12:48. > :12:51.goalless draw. Wayne Rooney, Jordan Henderson captaining the side came

:12:52. > :12:55.on for the last 20 minutes. He had a shot. Everybody wondered if he was

:12:56. > :13:00.going to produce the winning moment, but he didn't. As things stand, not

:13:01. > :13:04.a disaster for England, they are still unbeaten in their qualifying,

:13:05. > :13:07.they are top, but really interesting to hear what Gareth Southgate said

:13:08. > :13:11.afterwards. He said he has inherited a mess. If there was a line perhaps

:13:12. > :13:18.to sum-up things for England that might be it. Interim manager he may

:13:19. > :13:23.remain interim manager. In terms of Scotland and Northern

:13:24. > :13:28.Ireland, defeats though? Yeah. It is Scotland in a bit of a difficult

:13:29. > :13:33.patch at the moment let's say. Their manager Gordon Strachan disappointed

:13:34. > :13:37.to see them draw. They were hoping to get three points and they didn't.

:13:38. > :13:40.They came away with a 3-0 defeat. This is a really disappointing

:13:41. > :13:45.result for them. They have only picked up one point in the

:13:46. > :13:48.qualifying matches. It leaves them sitting fourth in their qualifying

:13:49. > :13:51.group. Remember, they're in the same group as England. They face England

:13:52. > :13:55.in their next match. What a contest that's going to be. But a difficult

:13:56. > :13:58.time for Scotland at the moment. And Northern Ireland, as well, they were

:13:59. > :14:01.in action. They had by far the toughest of all of the matches last

:14:02. > :14:06.night. They were in Hannover to face Germany. And they came away with a

:14:07. > :14:10.defeat as well. 2-0 it finished last night. Their manager said that this

:14:11. > :14:13.is not a complete disaster as you could imagine facing the world

:14:14. > :14:16.champions, it was always going to be dismt they have the same number of

:14:17. > :14:19.points as Scotland and they, themselves, realised that they are

:14:20. > :14:21.chasing the second spot. That's not an automatic qualification spot, but

:14:22. > :14:24.second spot would see you go through into a play-off and there is a

:14:25. > :14:27.chance if you can finish second of still reaching the World Cup in

:14:28. > :14:32.Russia in 2018. Cycling. An interesting story in

:14:33. > :14:36.cycling particularly against the backdrop of the damaging headlines

:14:37. > :14:39.over the last few weeks? Yes, there is a really significant prize I

:14:40. > :14:46.guess you could say on the horizon this afternoon. Yorkshire should be

:14:47. > :14:49.awarded as we expect to be given the 2019 road race world cycling

:14:50. > :14:53.championships. A fantastic moment for the sport, you imagine, but

:14:54. > :14:56.interesting if you believe what you read in the newspapers, that the

:14:57. > :15:00.Chief Executive of British cycling Ian Drake won't be attending. Now,

:15:01. > :15:04.it was a joint bid that's been put together by British cycling, UK

:15:05. > :15:11.Sport, a really significant moment. But as you say, huge allegations

:15:12. > :15:16.whirling around relate to go a suspect package that was delivered

:15:17. > :15:19.to Team Sky in 2011. No one seems to know what the package was. A lot of

:15:20. > :15:24.unanswered questions and after the high of the Olympics, we're in this

:15:25. > :15:26.murky business of allegations around British cycling centred on Team Sky

:15:27. > :15:30.and British cycling at the moment and Bradley Wiggins as well has been

:15:31. > :15:34.embroiled in this. You think it is a great moment, it should be, why then

:15:35. > :15:38.is Ian Drake the Chief Executive of British cycling not attending?

:15:39. > :15:41.Perhaps he feels he will behaving to face some very difficult questions

:15:42. > :15:43.were he to attend the press conference this afternoon.

:15:44. > :15:44.Cheers, John. More from John throughout the

:15:45. > :15:47.morning. You'll know Lily Allen

:15:48. > :15:49.for her hit songs like Smile You may also enjoy her

:15:50. > :15:52.outspokenness on Twitter. But you've probably never

:15:53. > :15:56.seen her like this. In the Calais camp,

:15:57. > :15:59.meeting refugees. It's due for demolition

:16:00. > :16:02.soon, and could start But there are concerns

:16:03. > :16:06.about what could happen to the hundreds of vulnerable

:16:07. > :16:10.and unaccompanied children there. This week, the Home Secretary vowed

:16:11. > :16:13.to speed up plans to resettle hundreds of those vulnerable

:16:14. > :16:16.children in the UK Charities are calling

:16:17. > :16:20.for the Government to do more, saying many of these children

:16:21. > :16:24.will simply disappear. Lily Allen has been to meet

:16:25. > :16:27.some of those children living in the Jungle,

:16:28. > :16:28.many of them wanting Our reporter Catrin Nye went

:16:29. > :16:33.with her exclusively Calais' makeshift refugee

:16:34. > :16:47.camp, the Jungle. Home to around 10,000

:16:48. > :16:51.people, including children. This place has been

:16:52. > :16:52.partially demolished once But the French government

:16:53. > :16:57.want it gone again. And will start knocking it

:16:58. > :17:07.down within weeks. A world away from the squalor

:17:08. > :17:10.of the camp, Lily Allen is working on a new album in

:17:11. > :17:14.a studio in London. What do you think you can

:17:15. > :17:21.achieve by going there? On a personal level,

:17:22. > :17:30.I hope to see things for myself so that I know and I can

:17:31. > :17:33.talk openly about it, having experienced it,

:17:34. > :17:35.even for a very short And humanise the people that

:17:36. > :17:41.are there because, All these articles which are very

:17:42. > :17:48.dehumanising about people I'm a mother, I've got

:17:49. > :17:53.two little girls. And if something happened in this

:17:54. > :17:55.country, and if something was to happen to me and their dad,

:17:56. > :17:59.and they were displaced and they had to make a run for it,

:18:00. > :18:01.I really hope that other parts of the world were a little bit more

:18:02. > :18:05.helpful than we seem to be being. It would seem to me that there

:18:06. > :18:08.are people that have been driven very far away

:18:09. > :18:11.from what they know and love, I don't think anyone would choose

:18:12. > :18:18.to live in the Jungle. With Lily on the strip

:18:19. > :18:26.is Josie Norton. Josie used to work in the music

:18:27. > :18:31.industry before giving it up to start a charity called

:18:32. > :18:43.Help Refugees a year ago. Right next to the camp,

:18:44. > :18:45.this massive warehouse shows the scale of the charity work that's

:18:46. > :18:49.quickly emerged to provide for those An army of volunteers

:18:50. > :19:02.looks after constantly My kids said that

:19:03. > :19:22.you could have it! Snow White costume, which will come

:19:23. > :19:34.in pretty handy, I'm sure! And then it's time

:19:35. > :19:43.to enter the Jungle. Lily Allen's never been

:19:44. > :19:46.to a refugee camp of any kind, This is a bus for women

:19:47. > :19:57.and children in the camp. Volunteers here tell Lily that one

:19:58. > :19:59.of the things they're constantly doing is telling young people,

:20:00. > :20:03.like this Afghan teenager, to apply for asylum in France,

:20:04. > :20:07.rather than constantly risking their lives jumping

:20:08. > :20:11.on trucks to the UK. They are risking their lives every

:20:12. > :20:15.time they go out to try. And they're going out to the lorry

:20:16. > :20:19.parks or to the motorway to try to stow away

:20:20. > :20:22.on the back of lorries. Not just deaths, because you hear

:20:23. > :20:28.about people being killed, you're not hearing about people

:20:29. > :20:31.who are severely injured. So there's a number of children that

:20:32. > :20:35.have been severely injured. One of the main reasons that

:20:36. > :20:38.Lily is here is to meet for herself people like him,

:20:39. > :20:41.children and teenagers calling There are 1,022 unaccompanied

:20:42. > :20:51.children in this camp. With the imminent closure

:20:52. > :20:54.of the camp, they are at massive risk of trafficking or just

:20:55. > :20:57.getting lost in the system. A huge proportion of them have got

:20:58. > :21:00.the right to be in the UK because they have family there,

:21:01. > :21:03.and another huge proportion of them have the right to be in the UK

:21:04. > :21:09.because of the passing And, still, right now,

:21:10. > :21:13.there's not one child been brought The Dubs amendment was an agreement

:21:14. > :21:22.by the UK Government to take in unaccompanied refugee

:21:23. > :21:23.children from Europe. At this youth centre in the camp,

:21:24. > :21:26.there's a sense of urgency today. The volunteers of recording details

:21:27. > :21:30.of the teenagers here. So they can try and keep track

:21:31. > :21:33.of them when they camp's demolished and continue trying to get those

:21:34. > :21:36.who have the right to be So, what I want is anybody who has

:21:37. > :21:47.family in England that hasn't Lily meets this 13-year-old

:21:48. > :21:53.from Afghanistan. He's been in the camp

:21:54. > :21:58.for two months now. The camp's closing

:21:59. > :22:15.in a couple of weeks. So, you've been trying to jump

:22:16. > :22:27.on lorries to get over into the UK. That must be terrifying,

:22:28. > :22:52.is it scary? And I know you're trying to get

:22:53. > :22:58.onto the lorries every night but, from what I'm hearing

:22:59. > :23:00.from the refugees and volunteers here in the camp, you've got a legal

:23:01. > :23:03.right to be in the UK. So, I wonder, have you

:23:04. > :23:06.started that process? Just seems at three different

:23:07. > :23:36.intervals in this young boy's life, the English in particular

:23:37. > :23:38.have put you in danger. We have bombed your country,

:23:39. > :23:42.put you in the hands of the Taliban, Risking your life to get

:23:43. > :23:48.into our country. I apologise on behalf of my country,

:23:49. > :23:53.I'm sorry for what we've I am now making you do this

:23:54. > :24:43.interview! I'm shocked, really,

:24:44. > :24:51.that this is happening in such close proximity to,

:24:52. > :24:56.you know, where we live. Life is easier for me if I put this

:24:57. > :25:15.stuff out of mind, do you know? And that's not really right,

:25:16. > :25:17.correct or appropriate response And I think it must be than not

:25:18. > :25:36.knowing, the uncertainty I know I wouldn't like to end

:25:37. > :25:59.up here, though. I certainly wouldn't

:26:00. > :26:03.want my children to end up here. Catrin Nye reporting, and that film

:26:04. > :26:07.was directed by Joshua Baker. And Lily Allen will be here live

:26:08. > :26:09.just after 10am to talk The Home Office says more than 80

:26:10. > :26:16.unaccompanied children had been And earlier this week,

:26:17. > :26:21.the Home Secretary Amber Rudd said the names of the unaccompanied

:26:22. > :26:24.children living in the camp who are eligible to be brought

:26:25. > :26:27.to Britain would be given The company at the centre

:26:28. > :26:39.of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly

:26:40. > :26:43.stopped is being made to give We'll hear from three claimants

:26:44. > :26:46.who'll also be appearing to tell MPs Is a five-year maximum sentence

:26:47. > :26:54.for stalking enough? One group of MPs says it should be

:26:55. > :26:57.doubled to ten years. If you've been the victim

:26:58. > :27:00.of stalking, do tell We'll be hearing from the singer

:27:01. > :27:07.for the Noisettes, who's decided to speak out for the first time

:27:08. > :27:10.about her experience Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:27:11. > :27:23.with a summary of today's news. Figures seen by the BBC have

:27:24. > :27:27.revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England

:27:28. > :27:30.as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years,

:27:31. > :27:32.cases have climbed to almost 30,000 During the same period,

:27:33. > :27:37.average hospital admissions Labour is putting pressure

:27:38. > :27:43.on the Government to set out its Brexit strategy

:27:44. > :27:52.in more detail. Theresa May said Parliament should

:27:53. > :28:00.not undermine their strategy. Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir

:28:01. > :28:03.Starmer and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked

:28:04. > :28:05.for clarification on 170 questions, one a day until the Prime Minister's

:28:06. > :28:08.self-imposed deadline to start The party will also stage a debate

:28:09. > :28:12.and vote in Parliament later. The Prison Governors Association has

:28:13. > :28:14.called on the Government to set up an independent public

:28:15. > :28:16.inquiry into the state The association, which is holding

:28:17. > :28:20.its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

:28:21. > :28:22.is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans

:28:23. > :28:27.to invest an extra ?14 million Seven-year-olds are being offered

:28:28. > :28:33.free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:28:34. > :28:38.to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:28:39. > :28:44.health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered

:28:45. > :28:46.to all primary-school pupils Will Young has announced he's

:28:47. > :28:51.quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd

:28:52. > :28:53.pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy

:28:54. > :28:57.in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most

:28:58. > :29:01.loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's

:29:02. > :29:03.programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said

:29:04. > :29:07.there was "not enough salsa" That's a summary of

:29:08. > :29:16.the latest BBC News. Here's some sport now

:29:17. > :29:20.with John Watson. England interim manager

:29:21. > :29:23.Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over

:29:24. > :29:26.from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. Things didn't look too great

:29:27. > :29:28.on the pitch either in last night's 0-0 draw in Slovenia,

:29:29. > :29:30.where they were indebted to goalkeeper Joe Hart for a string

:29:31. > :29:34.of brilliant saves to earn a point England are now three

:29:35. > :29:41.points clear of Scotland, who slumped to a 3-0

:29:42. > :29:43.defeat in Slovakia. Manager Gordon Strachan said

:29:44. > :29:46.he "felt sorry" for his players. There was some encouragement

:29:47. > :29:49.for Northern Ireland, though, who were 2-0 down to Germany

:29:50. > :29:52.after 16 minutes but held Michael O'Neill's side now third

:29:53. > :29:56.in their group. And British number two

:29:57. > :29:59.Kyle Edmund lost to US Open champion Stan Wawrinka 6-3,

:30:00. > :30:01.6-4 in the second round of the Shanghai

:30:02. > :30:03.masters this morning. Andy Murray plays American

:30:04. > :30:11.Steve Johnson later. The company at the centre

:30:12. > :30:19.of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly

:30:20. > :30:22.stopped is due to give evidence to an influential

:30:23. > :30:24.committee of MPs tomorrow. The American firm Concentrix

:30:25. > :30:26.was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

:30:27. > :30:28.by finding and stopping But last month this programme

:30:29. > :30:33.exclusively revealed that many people were having their money

:30:34. > :30:36.stopped by mistake, leading to some serious hardship for

:30:37. > :30:48.those caught up in it. This programme has exclusively

:30:49. > :30:53.learned that a 19-year-old mum had her child tax credit stopped

:30:54. > :30:56.by a private firm used by HMRC after they said she was married

:30:57. > :30:59.to a dead 74-year-old man She's one of hundreds of people

:31:00. > :31:05.complaining they've been incorrectly punished by the American firm

:31:06. > :31:07.Concentrix, which is employed by HMRC to cut tax credit

:31:08. > :31:15.fraud and overpayment. I've lost ?64 each week,

:31:16. > :31:17.and that normally, obviously goes on my son, on nappies,

:31:18. > :31:20.buy his food, gas and electric, They absolutely unfairly stop

:31:21. > :31:29.people's benefits on a really And there are many more

:31:30. > :31:37.where those came from. As you'd expect, we asked

:31:38. > :31:39.the private American firm, Concentrix, for

:31:40. > :31:40.an interview. Instead, they told us: "We recognise

:31:41. > :31:44.that individual tax credit claims We adopt a rigorous process at every

:31:45. > :31:49.stage to ensure we manage this responsibly in full accordance

:31:50. > :31:51.with guidance set by HMRC." I've done nothing wrong,

:31:52. > :31:56.and they know that. My tax credit was cut

:31:57. > :32:01.at the beginning of August. And I had a phone call with them

:32:02. > :32:18.and it took me three to five hours a day for a week to actually get

:32:19. > :32:21.hold of them. I lost my child tax credits

:32:22. > :32:23.and Working Tax Credits, which is the bulk of

:32:24. > :32:25.what I get each month. How much are you down by as a result

:32:26. > :32:29.of what you say are their mistakes? I've had no money for two weeks now

:32:30. > :32:36.and I've had to go to a food bank. Because of this, my housing benefit

:32:37. > :32:40.could be stopped as well, which means that my tenancy

:32:41. > :32:42.could be affected. Hours after we exclusively revealed

:32:43. > :32:44.on this programme yesterday that a US firm was accused,

:32:45. > :32:51.by hundreds of years, from police stopping your tax credits,

:32:52. > :32:53.Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs announced they would not be

:32:54. > :32:55.renewing its contract HMRC has acted pretty

:32:56. > :32:59.decisively in this. And, clearly, anyone who is dealing

:33:00. > :33:04.with people who are claiming Needs to be sensitive to their needs

:33:05. > :33:19.as well as, obviously, Why does it take the BBC's

:33:20. > :33:22.programme, two days running, to bring ministers

:33:23. > :33:24.to this despatch box? One day a member of my staff

:33:25. > :33:27.is getting the runaround Yesterday, in Parliament,

:33:28. > :33:30.the issue prompted an urgent Let's talk to our reporter,

:33:31. > :33:32.Peter Whittlesey. Well, the latest from HMRC is today

:33:33. > :33:37.they are getting executives from Concentrix in, and they'll be

:33:38. > :33:40.talking to them about the issues that they need to address

:33:41. > :33:42.because they are not Many MPs have talked

:33:43. > :33:48.about the problems that They've also said that this

:33:49. > :33:51.programme had highlighted what a big issue it was and how the mistakes

:33:52. > :33:55.were affecting hundreds of people. Sources close to this have told me

:33:56. > :33:58.that just before we did our report, our exclusive report,

:33:59. > :34:00.HMRC and Concentrix were close Concentrix was only told an hour

:34:01. > :34:09.before HMRC told the press that their contract wasn't being renewed,

:34:10. > :34:12.and that's why some staff in Belfast heard that, potentially,

:34:13. > :34:14.their jobs could be at risk through tweets from the BBC,

:34:15. > :34:16.rather than from People crying down the phone,

:34:17. > :34:29.saying that they are Have no food in the fridge

:34:30. > :34:36.to feed their kids. We were dealing with people

:34:37. > :34:38.claiming that they were We'll talk to some of those giving

:34:39. > :34:55.evidence to that committee of MPs in a moment, but first our reporter

:34:56. > :34:57.Peter Whittlesea has followed this story from the beginning

:34:58. > :34:59.and joins me now. We've not heard from any

:35:00. > :35:10.of the senior staff from Concentrix, Well, they have refused for a month,

:35:11. > :35:14.we have been asking them. They can't refuse MPs and the influential work

:35:15. > :35:18.and pensions Select Committee has said they want to speak to

:35:19. > :35:21.Concentrix and they also want to speak to HMRC that's because Craig

:35:22. > :35:25.McKinlay, Conservative MP, came on this show. He promised he would do

:35:26. > :35:29.something and try and get to the bottom of what happened. He wrote to

:35:30. > :35:32.the chair of that committee and this has happened. These people have been

:35:33. > :35:37.called in front of the committee. Now this committee is the committee

:35:38. > :35:44.that gave Sir Philip Green a grilling over the collapse of BHS.

:35:45. > :35:49.Now sources close to the committee think they will do the same, they

:35:50. > :35:52.will give the Philip Green to the Concentrix boss Philip Cassidy when

:35:53. > :35:55.he appears before them tomorrow. They want to know what was happening

:35:56. > :36:00.at that call centre. You heard people said they were in desperately

:36:01. > :36:03.pressurised situation and they were having to take suicide callers on

:36:04. > :36:06.the phone and they hadn't had the training for that and the committee

:36:07. > :36:09.sources close to the committee said they want to know whether that's

:36:10. > :36:16.true and what training staff actually had. When HMRC announced

:36:17. > :36:21.that they would not be renewing Concentrix's contract, it was said

:36:22. > :36:25.they told us, efforts are being made to fast-track those people who have

:36:26. > :36:33.wrongly had their tax credits stopped so they will be reimbursed

:36:34. > :36:37.ASAP, has that happened? HMRC took those, over thousands of them and

:36:38. > :36:40.they said they would process them as quickly as possible. They had the

:36:41. > :36:44.idea of once the paperwork was handed in and it was scanned it

:36:45. > :36:48.would take four days. Now the problem is, taking that paperwork,

:36:49. > :36:52.scanning t getting it on the computer system, has taken longer

:36:53. > :36:55.than people expected. Also there have been problems because people

:36:56. > :36:59.sent their original paperwork to Concentrix and then they didn't have

:37:00. > :37:05.the right paperwork to send to HMRC, so they had to get duplicates which

:37:06. > :37:08.led to more delays. So when people thought they could get their

:37:09. > :37:12.benefits reinstated within four days, it has taken weeks and there

:37:13. > :37:15.are many people out there on the Concentrix website that thought they

:37:16. > :37:20.were That they would get it four days, but weeks on, they haven't had

:37:21. > :37:28.their benefits backdated or paid. That's no good. Is anyone else

:37:29. > :37:33.looking into what went wrong with Concentrix and HMRC? Normally HMRC

:37:34. > :37:37.appears before the Public Accounts Committe. They look into seeing

:37:38. > :37:41.whether Government contracts are value for money. Two members of that

:37:42. > :37:45.committee told me that the Chief Executive of the HMRC will appear

:37:46. > :37:49.before them on 26th October and they will ask questions of the Chief

:37:50. > :37:54.Executive of HMRC, what went wrong, was this contract value for money?

:37:55. > :37:58.And will give them another grilling on the 26th October.

:37:59. > :38:03.Of course, we should say, of course, as we always do, we asked to speak

:38:04. > :38:06.to HMRC and Concentrix and we have been asking them for weeks and weeks

:38:07. > :38:10.and they keep saying no which is fine, there is no law to say they

:38:11. > :38:17.have to come on this programme. It might be good for them to talk to

:38:18. > :38:21.the people that they've placed in such hardship.

:38:22. > :38:24.Let's talk to three of the people who wrongly had their tax credits

:38:25. > :38:28.They are all also giving evidence in front of the Work

:38:29. > :38:34.Also with me is the SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh

:38:35. > :38:36.who is going to table an emergency question in Parliamnet today

:38:37. > :38:41.about delays some people are facing in getting their payments back.

:38:42. > :38:48.Hello all of you. Thank you very much for talking to us. Marie, let's

:38:49. > :38:53.start with you. Your tax credits were stopped because Concentrix

:38:54. > :38:58.thought you weren't a single mum. They have been reinstated, how much

:38:59. > :39:03.are they paying you back a week? They are paying not enough. A

:39:04. > :39:07.reduced amount of money compared to what my previous claim was.

:39:08. > :39:13.But have you got that in a lump sum? Is it... No. They are refuse, to go

:39:14. > :39:17.give me my lump sum for the six weeks I was without payment. At the

:39:18. > :39:21.moment I'm unable to pay back people I borrowed money from. So yeah, it

:39:22. > :39:25.is not a good situation. What will you be saying to the committee of

:39:26. > :39:30.MPs tomorrow? I will be wanting somebody to be accountable for a

:39:31. > :39:36.disastrous contract. Whoever thought giving a contract that dealt with

:39:37. > :39:40.people's lives with such, you know, benefits, you know, financially is

:39:41. > :39:44.beyond me and I really want them to tell me why they gave, you know,

:39:45. > :39:47.such perverse incentives to a private company. That's the

:39:48. > :39:52.performance related element of the contract. Sarah, yours were stopped

:39:53. > :39:57.too. How long have you spent on the phone trying to get them reinstated?

:39:58. > :40:02.I went through my mobile phone bill and I figured out that I have been

:40:03. > :40:07.on the phone to HMRC and Concentrix over this past four weeks I have

:40:08. > :40:11.been on the phone 19 hours and 57 minutes and that's just my mobile.

:40:12. > :40:15.I've used other people's house phones such as my parents as well. I

:40:16. > :40:19.don't know the full figure, but all I know, it has consumed my life and

:40:20. > :40:24.affected my children and it just been an awful situation. Have you

:40:25. > :40:29.succeeded in getting them reinstated? I haven't, no. They have

:40:30. > :40:33.agreed to pay me a lump sum and I haven't had any letters back to say

:40:34. > :40:38.that my case has been overturned. It was just a phone call that I made.

:40:39. > :40:41.I've literally called them every day to try and get an update because my

:40:42. > :40:46.information has been lost three times. So I've had to send in again.

:40:47. > :40:52.So I was really concerned as to where the paperwork went. And also

:40:53. > :40:57.contacted my MP who is helping me. So I've got a payment coming in

:40:58. > :41:01.today funny enough, but you know, it is not for the full amount that they

:41:02. > :41:06.owe me. But it is a start and at least, you know, I've got some sort

:41:07. > :41:10.of a decision and hopefully receive the letter explaining what it is.

:41:11. > :41:13.Paul, a Vice-President from Concentrix, it sounds very grand,

:41:14. > :41:16.doesn't it, will be appearing in front of the committee tomorrow.

:41:17. > :41:20.What would you like to ask that Vice-President? There is one thing

:41:21. > :41:23.I'd like to ask is more about the paperwork that's gone missing. My

:41:24. > :41:27.paperwork went missing in May and they said they never received it and

:41:28. > :41:30.I never got any warning when my payments were stopped at the

:41:31. > :41:34.beginning of August. Now, we have got evidence that we will be raising

:41:35. > :41:37.at Parliament tomorrow that will show they're sending other people's

:41:38. > :41:41.documents back when they return people's documents. So they're

:41:42. > :41:44.sending the wrong documents... They're sending the wrong documents

:41:45. > :41:47.back to the wrong people and we have got evidence that we will raise at

:41:48. > :41:51.Parliament tomorrow for this. I would like to ask him how because if

:41:52. > :41:57.that happened to my paperwork, I'd like to know where mine has gone as

:41:58. > :42:02.well? There could be serious data protection issues. Very serious data

:42:03. > :42:06.protection issues. Were you aware of this? I didn't know about documents

:42:07. > :42:09.going to other places. You will be aware on 14th September the

:42:10. > :42:13.financial second to the Treasury said at the dispatch box there would

:42:14. > :42:18.be a four day turn around for money to be in people's banks once the

:42:19. > :42:23.paperwork was received. We contacted HMRC on 29th September in relation

:42:24. > :42:29.to a constituent and we were told it was a two to three week period they

:42:30. > :42:34.would be looked at. In the meantime, we have people who have wrongly had

:42:35. > :42:41.their tax credit claims stopped, mother who, one of my constituents

:42:42. > :42:44.whose childcare arrangements, can't afford to play her childminder.

:42:45. > :42:49.Therefore can't go to work and had to resign from employment, can't get

:42:50. > :42:53.any other benefits because of that and now she has nothing. One of my

:42:54. > :42:56.other constituents signed themselves out of hospital with a suspected

:42:57. > :43:02.heart attack because she had to deal with this. Another constituent can't

:43:03. > :43:05.send her child to school because she can't afford the lunch money. These

:43:06. > :43:09.are victims of other people's mistakes and mess and they're

:43:10. > :43:13.suffering. They are contacting our offices and they are at their wit's

:43:14. > :43:20.end. It can't get any worse for them. It has been a payment offer of

:43:21. > :43:24.?100 from HMRC, there is no clarity around that payment. It is an

:43:25. > :43:29.interim payment. Some of my constituents are not take because it

:43:30. > :43:35.is templed as a loan. I'm hoping the committee will be asking questions

:43:36. > :43:40.tomorrow of Concentrix as to what has gone so terribly wrong? How can

:43:41. > :43:45.we make sure this never happens again. And what support and training

:43:46. > :43:48.has been given to the people at the other end of the phone calls of

:43:49. > :43:56.people who are in desperate circumstances? HMRC told us we have

:43:57. > :44:00.dealt with the majority of the cases. We will continue to do this

:44:01. > :44:05.with the remainder of the case as quickly as possible whilst providing

:44:06. > :44:11.the best possible customer service? Quickly as possible means nothing to

:44:12. > :44:16.someone who wants to know how they're going to feed their children

:44:17. > :44:19.today. I want to why the four day turn around is not happening. When

:44:20. > :44:27.it will happen? People are desperate. I mean, Paul, you know,

:44:28. > :44:32.the Concentrix mums Facebook page, there are dozens and dozens if not

:44:33. > :44:37.hundreds and hundreds of stories of people in still in severe financial

:44:38. > :44:43.hardship? There is a lot of people, we are getting 50 to 60 people a day

:44:44. > :44:47.joining the website. At last count when I checked it there was 11474

:44:48. > :44:53.people active or still members of that page and there is people still

:44:54. > :44:57.asking questions. The HMRC app updates, they are saying what it

:44:58. > :45:01.does it mean, it says null against my payments. There is no backdated

:45:02. > :45:05.payments, there is nothing listed for what's going on. Thousands of

:45:06. > :45:08.people have questions and they need to know when they're getting any

:45:09. > :45:13.money and it is just a shocking situation.

:45:14. > :45:20.I am lucky, I have my parents, who support me with everything I did. If

:45:21. > :45:26.I did not have them, I don't know what I would have done. I am six

:45:27. > :45:30.weeks without payments, I am a disabled single mother, I used to

:45:31. > :45:34.have a great job, and I would love to go back to work, but my health

:45:35. > :45:40.does not allow it. I have had to cancel support at home because I

:45:41. > :45:44.have had to use my personal independence payment money to get

:45:45. > :45:51.food shopping for three weeks where I did not have any money at all. I

:45:52. > :45:57.had to borrow money from my parents. It has been an awful situation. The

:45:58. > :46:02.worst thing about this is it is not only as parents that are suffering,

:46:03. > :46:05.it is our children, because my children, the difference in

:46:06. > :46:10.behaviour with my four-year-old boy, because money is on the phone all

:46:11. > :46:15.the time, money is in tears, mummy is so up and down, it is affecting

:46:16. > :46:26.the children. That is what is most soul destroying for me.

:46:27. > :46:33.We will continue to follow the story. Keep giving us your feedback,

:46:34. > :46:37.when the money starts to come back to do, because you were instrumental

:46:38. > :46:38.in helping us get the information out in the first place, so thank

:46:39. > :46:40.you. Coming up, Lily Allen has been

:46:41. > :46:42.meeting refugees in the jungle in Calais in an exclusive report

:46:43. > :46:44.for this programme. She will be with us

:46:45. > :46:58.in the studio just after 10am. The British world heavyweight

:46:59. > :47:02.champion Tyson Fury faces being stripped of his licence to box at a

:47:03. > :47:07.meeting of the British boxing board of control today. The case will be

:47:08. > :47:10.examined by the board after a reported failed drugs test and his

:47:11. > :47:16.admission in a magazine interview that he has taken lots of cocaine.

:47:17. > :47:20.His supporters say he deserves compassion. It is a sad tale. They

:47:21. > :47:27.say cocaine was that a rental to his career, not performance enhancing.

:47:28. > :47:33.And a cry for help. If the board do decide to strip him of his licence,

:47:34. > :47:38.he is almost certain to be forced to link wish the WBO and WBA titles he

:47:39. > :47:44.won from Wladimir Klitschko a year ago. His team say he needs support,

:47:45. > :47:48.not sanctions. This is him defending his outspoken persona after he

:47:49. > :47:53.shocked the boxing world in November last year by beating Wladimir

:47:54. > :47:58.Klitschko to secure the belts. You rarely get somebody who talks a

:47:59. > :48:02.lot and backs it up. People thought I was just hot air. They thought I

:48:03. > :48:10.was just lucky in 24 fights before that. How lucky can you get?

:48:11. > :48:15.Here to talk about the board meeting is a professional boxer who

:48:16. > :48:21.currently has the WBO middleweight title, and a good friend of Tyson

:48:22. > :48:33.Fury's. When did you last speak to him? Yesterday. He is in a very dark

:48:34. > :48:39.place at the moment. But there are signs that he has got the help that

:48:40. > :48:47.he's getting from his uncle and dad, so they are good signs now. From the

:48:48. > :48:54.last week. You don't have to tell me, but when you say a dog place,

:48:55. > :48:58.what do you mean? Suicidal. We see it in all of sports stars, he is a

:48:59. > :49:04.27-year-old man come back, he has put his name up there with the likes

:49:05. > :49:12.of Floyd Mayweather. He is having suicidal thoughts? Yes. People need

:49:13. > :49:19.to give him a bit of breathing space. Boxing can only save his

:49:20. > :49:24.life. He has disciplined himself with his diet, with his life around

:49:25. > :49:31.boxing, and if that gets taken away from him, I think he will not see

:49:32. > :49:39.30. You are clearly saying, do not ship him of this license? I am

:49:40. > :49:42.saying, step back, take a look at everything, I am sure he will free

:49:43. > :49:49.the belts up so other people can fight until he is fit, but I think

:49:50. > :49:52.it is a big mistake, taking his boxing licence away, because it is

:49:53. > :50:00.like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow or my jaw. He needs

:50:01. > :50:05.the licence to pull through. He is in a considerably bad place. Two

:50:06. > :50:11.weeks ago I genuinely feared I would get a phone call to say he has ended

:50:12. > :50:18.his life. Don't say that. If you take the licence away from him,...

:50:19. > :50:23.This last week or so, he is starting to get a grip again. He has good

:50:24. > :50:26.people around him, getting the right help, but if his licence gets taken

:50:27. > :50:34.away, I don't know which way he will go. Even if he retains the licence,

:50:35. > :50:40.he will not box for a while. This has not just happened overnight, it

:50:41. > :50:46.has been going on for the last year. He got a superstar's welcome, then

:50:47. > :50:52.he got racial abuse. His kids are getting it, his wife is getting it,

:50:53. > :50:58.his parents. He is looking at it as if it is his fault. He has gone to a

:50:59. > :51:05.dark place and turn to whatever he has turned to, I don't condone that,

:51:06. > :51:10.but he is mentally unstable. I am happy when I spoke to him yesterday

:51:11. > :51:15.that he sounds a bit more up in himself, but he still has a long way

:51:16. > :51:20.to go. Do you believe there is a link with his mental health problems

:51:21. > :51:25.and him taking cocaine? I have no him all of my life, I knew his

:51:26. > :51:29.family all of my life, never in a million years would you ever dream

:51:30. > :51:36.for him to do that. I thought somebody was having a laugh. Talking

:51:37. > :51:41.to him, he is in a dark place. It was not nice to see, because

:51:42. > :51:46.normally he is like a firework, he is a light, he brings so much

:51:47. > :51:53.charisma to boxing, good and bad, he says some things he should not say,

:51:54. > :51:58.but we are only human. It is not like any of his family, we have been

:51:59. > :52:03.brought up not to do anything like this, in our culture it is a big no.

:52:04. > :52:08.He has been in an incredibly low place. There are some people who say

:52:09. > :52:15.if you take cocaine, not only are you breaking the law, it is

:52:16. > :52:24.potentially performance enhancing. No, that cannot improve your

:52:25. > :52:29.fighting. I read a lot about it, it takes fluid away from the brain, so

:52:30. > :52:40.you can't absorb a shot that you would normally absorb. It is most

:52:41. > :52:43.certainly not a performance drug. It is something he has turned to

:52:44. > :52:47.because he is trapped in a corner where he has nothing else, he is

:52:48. > :52:56.mentally down, he distances himself from everybody. Why did he tell a

:52:57. > :53:00.magazine interview? I spoke to him not long ago, when he was on the

:53:01. > :53:06.phone am I thought, this is a different man. If this is what it

:53:07. > :53:14.does to you... I am world middleweight champion, I get

:53:15. > :53:18.Internet trolls, from our contract -- culture we get called names, but

:53:19. > :53:24.people look at him and think, he is a big heavyweight, he is a hard man.

:53:25. > :53:32.He can look after himself, yes. But deep down, he is really soft, if we

:53:33. > :53:37.see a homeless person, he is more likely to cry about that, he is

:53:38. > :53:41.really soft hearted. For people to say it helps his performance, he did

:53:42. > :53:45.not win those titles on cocaine. He has made a mistake, he has admitted

:53:46. > :53:52.it and put his hands up, he has not denied it, and the board need to

:53:53. > :53:56.look at that. If he frees up the belts to let other people fight for

:53:57. > :54:06.them, so he is not holding anybody back, but I don't think his licence

:54:07. > :54:11.should be taken away from him. Has he told you he would free up the

:54:12. > :54:17.belts? He is the heavyweight champion of the world, nobody will

:54:18. > :54:21.be the champion of the world unless they beat him, but he is in a dark

:54:22. > :54:27.place, he will not be fighting for it a few months, so I imagine he

:54:28. > :54:33.will. Is his boxing career over? I don't excite. I know how mentally

:54:34. > :54:42.strong he can be. But he is at an all-time low. With the right people

:54:43. > :54:48.around him, within six months, with the right help, we could see him

:54:49. > :54:52.back in the ring. In six months? Yes, but if they suspended him for a

:54:53. > :54:59.year, take his licence away for a year, two years, whatever, I don't

:55:00. > :55:04.think... I know that we will have a phone call one day, saying his life

:55:05. > :55:10.has ended or something like that, occurs this is his life. Even though

:55:11. > :55:16.he has said that boxing has... Deep down, this is what has got him his

:55:17. > :55:21.success. When people say he has done this because he wanted a good time,

:55:22. > :55:27.you are not going to walk away from 6 million quid to 10 million quid

:55:28. > :55:32.for something stupid, for one night. It is bad depression. I know he is

:55:33. > :55:38.getting the right help, and I am happy he is, we just need other

:55:39. > :55:46.people to support him. Including the board. Might advice to the board, if

:55:47. > :55:49.he frees up the belts, he frees up the belts, but don't take his

:55:50. > :55:54.livelihood away from him, he has been brought up since being a young

:55:55. > :55:58.kid doing this, since the age of eight. If you take it away from him,

:55:59. > :56:02.he will not look for a daily job in Tesco's. It will sink him more into

:56:03. > :56:12.the soil. We will bring to the News and sport

:56:13. > :56:22.in a moment, and the latest weather. Looking further ahead, don't forget

:56:23. > :56:25.to join us on 17th October, when we will be live at the Olympic

:56:26. > :56:34.homecoming parade in Manchester. We will have a special programme,

:56:35. > :56:39.the latest total is something like... Loads and loads of Olympians

:56:40. > :56:44.and Paralympians anyway comment on our programme, it is an audience

:56:45. > :56:49.with Olympians and Paralympians. Loads of people in the audience who

:56:50. > :56:51.are Olympics and paramedics fans, Games Makers from London. That is on

:56:52. > :57:04.Monday from 9am. It is deja vu at the moment, it is

:57:05. > :57:08.the same each day this week. The cold easterly breeze across eastern

:57:09. > :57:15.parts of the UK. You have had showers already today. West is best

:57:16. > :57:20.for the driest and sunniest weather. What have we seen today? Early

:57:21. > :57:28.sunshine on the dog walk in fish bone, looked pretty nice. Some angry

:57:29. > :57:31.clouds off the coast of Norfolk. The seagull would have been struggling

:57:32. > :57:36.in the wind. It is a feature of the weather. The radar picture shows

:57:37. > :57:43.where we have had the showers. Most frequent down the east of the UK.

:57:44. > :57:47.They will tend to fade. Here is the picture at midday today. A lot of

:57:48. > :57:52.clout running into eastern Scotland, you will be hard-pressed to see much

:57:53. > :57:56.sunshine. A cube writer breaks at times across parts of eastern

:57:57. > :58:00.England, especially East Anglia and the south-east of England. You can

:58:01. > :58:08.see where the sunniest of the weather is, but catch a shower here

:58:09. > :58:12.across eastern England, it could be on the heavy side. As they have

:58:13. > :58:17.already been so far today. Does anything change for the rest of the

:58:18. > :58:22.afternoon? Not really. On the coast, temperatures will be held down. This

:58:23. > :58:28.is where you see most of the cloud, the most frequent showers moving in.

:58:29. > :58:35.For South Wales and south-west England, sunshine. A bit further

:58:36. > :58:39.away from the breeze. Not feeling too bad. But the breeze is a feature

:58:40. > :58:44.through the night, still with a few showers in eastern parts, but there

:58:45. > :58:47.will be clearer skies away from the showers, allowing temperatures to

:58:48. > :58:49.fall lower tonight. You will notice a chill first thing tomorrow

:58:50. > :59:02.morning. On Thursday, still the easterly

:59:03. > :59:09.breeze, a bit stronger, it will feel caller. Some of the showers will be

:59:10. > :59:12.heavier tomorrow. The greatest chances of getting the showers

:59:13. > :59:17.further north. South Wales and southern England avoid most of the

:59:18. > :59:21.showers. The temperatures slightly down tomorrow compared to today. On

:59:22. > :59:29.Friday, some longer spells of rain, Thursday night into Friday, in

:59:30. > :59:33.eastern Scotland. The tendency is for things begin to turn west

:59:34. > :59:36.towards the end of the week. That is some think we will carry through

:59:37. > :59:42.into the weekend, because we have low-pressure close by. We will

:59:43. > :59:46.change the wind to a southerly, the temperatures may come up a few

:59:47. > :59:48.degrees, but there will be bands of what weather moving through this

:59:49. > :59:51.weekend, but drier, sunnier moments as well.

:59:52. > :59:56.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:59:57. > :59:58.Lily Allen visits the jungle in Calais to meet some

:59:59. > :00:01.of the hundreds of children who've fled there alone hoping to start

:00:02. > :00:17.Bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban and now putting

:00:18. > :00:22.you at risk, rising your life to get into our country. That seems - I

:00:23. > :00:25.apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

:00:26. > :00:34.through. I can't...

:00:35. > :00:40.She'll be live in the studio in a few moments time.

:00:41. > :00:44.We'll talk to a mother who found out she had HIV two years ago -

:00:45. > :00:46.something doctors had failed to diagnose for 30 years.

:00:47. > :00:48.Is a five year maximum sentence for stalking enough?

:00:49. > :00:56.One group of MPs says it should be doubled to ten years.

:00:57. > :00:58.If you've been the victim of stalking,

:00:59. > :01:03.We'll be hearing from the singer for the Noisettes who's decided

:01:04. > :01:05.to speak out for the first time about her experience

:01:06. > :01:17.Here is Annita the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:18. > :01:20.Figures seen by the BBC have revealed a sharp increase

:01:21. > :01:23.in hospital admissions in England as a result of allergic reactions.

:01:24. > :01:26.In the last five years, cases have climbed to almost 30,000 annually -

:01:27. > :01:33.In contrast, average hospital admissions went up by just 8%.

:01:34. > :01:36.Doctors blame increased cleanliness but it's not clear what has happened

:01:37. > :01:44.since 2011 to trigger such a marked increase.

:01:45. > :01:51.There will not be a vote in Parliament on triggering Article 50

:01:52. > :01:55.for Brexit. The Prime Minister's spokesman has said. The comments

:01:56. > :01:58.come as Labour prepares to put extra pressure in the Commons for more

:01:59. > :02:04.detail on the Government's Brexit trat gee. Shadow Brexit second, sir

:02:05. > :02:08.Keir Starmer and Emily Thornbury asked for clarification on 170

:02:09. > :02:09.questions. The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament

:02:10. > :02:15.later. The Prison Governors Association has

:02:16. > :02:17.called on the Government to set up an independent,

:02:18. > :02:20.public inquiry into the state of The Association, which is holding

:02:21. > :02:24.its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

:02:25. > :02:26.is the "unprecedented" rise The government says it plans

:02:27. > :02:31.to invest an extra ?14 million Lily Allen has called

:02:32. > :02:39.on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called

:02:40. > :02:41.Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have

:02:42. > :02:44.committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population

:02:45. > :02:46.of nine thousand migrants and On her first visit, Lily Allen

:02:47. > :02:53.described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really,

:02:54. > :02:58.that this is happening in such close proximity to,

:02:59. > :03:03.you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people

:03:04. > :03:06.just managing to cope. Something has to be done

:03:07. > :03:08.because it can't really... And we will be hearing from Lily

:03:09. > :03:22.Allen in a few minutes. Seven-year-olds are being offered

:03:23. > :03:24.free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:03:25. > :03:28.to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:03:29. > :03:31.health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered

:03:32. > :03:33.to all primary school pupils A man in the United States has been

:03:34. > :03:37.convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England,

:03:38. > :03:40.leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who is 54,

:03:41. > :03:43.sent cyanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull,

:03:44. > :03:45.who used it to kill He'd already posted a substance

:03:46. > :03:51.he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts

:03:52. > :03:53.to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin

:03:54. > :03:55.wanted to stop Mr Denton Do get in touch with us

:03:56. > :04:12.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:04:13. > :04:16.and If you text, you will be charged Here's some sport now

:04:17. > :04:36.with John Watson. Bill owe Joe Saunders on his friend

:04:37. > :04:40.Tyson Fury. Fury is set to be stripped from his world titles. He

:04:41. > :04:46.has admitted to taking cocaine. This is what Saunders said this morning.

:04:47. > :04:51.I reckon it is a big, big mistake taking boxing licence away from him.

:04:52. > :04:54.It is like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow, they can't

:04:55. > :05:01.mature. He needs his boxing licence to pull what he's going through now.

:05:02. > :05:05.He is in a bad, blasd. Two weeks a I generally feared I was going to get

:05:06. > :05:09.a phone call to say, you know, he has ended his life. Really strong

:05:10. > :05:11.comments there from Saunders. England Interim manager

:05:12. > :05:13.Gareth Southgate didn't hold back when describing the current state

:05:14. > :05:17.of the national team. He said he's inherited a mess

:05:18. > :05:20.after watching his side draw with Slovenia in World Cup

:05:21. > :05:22.Qualifying last night. England's hero was their goalkeeper

:05:23. > :05:25.Joe Hart - who made a string of great saves to ensure

:05:26. > :05:27.the game finished goalless. England failed to register a shot

:05:28. > :05:30.on target in the first half. Wayne Rooney came on for the final

:05:31. > :05:32.twenty minutes after being Southgate gave a fairly honest

:05:33. > :05:52.asessment of where his team's at It has been an incredibly difficult

:05:53. > :05:56.ten days in terms of not just the situation of taking over, but the

:05:57. > :06:00.withdrawals through injury and to get four points, we would have liked

:06:01. > :06:03.six, we would have liked to have scored more goals and we would have

:06:04. > :06:07.liked to have been more fluid with the ball, but we sit top of the

:06:08. > :06:09.qualifying group and that has to be the objective when we get through

:06:10. > :06:12.the game against Scotland as well. Scotland manager Gordon Strachan was

:06:13. > :06:17.honest in his assessment as well. Saying he felt sorry for his players

:06:18. > :06:23.and the fans as they were beaten They're in the same group

:06:24. > :06:27.as England, and play them next, A more encouraging evening

:06:28. > :06:47.for Northern Ireland despite their 2-0 defeat by world

:06:48. > :06:53.champions Germany in Hanover. Michael O'Neill's side were 2-0 down

:06:54. > :06:56.after just 16 minutes with goals but then managed to hold

:06:57. > :07:01.on for the rest of the game Northern Ireland are third

:07:02. > :07:03.in their group So no goals between the three

:07:04. > :07:06.Home Nations last night - but one nation who did score are San

:07:07. > :07:09.marino who are definitely A nation with a population of just

:07:10. > :07:13.33,000, playing Norway in Oslo, scored their first away

:07:14. > :07:15.qualifying goal for 15 years. And here's the reaction

:07:16. > :07:22.on Norway TV. To say they were unimpressed

:07:23. > :07:38.is something of understatement. Incredibly with 13 minutes left

:07:39. > :07:44.San Marino were still holding Norway to a 1-1 draw,

:07:45. > :07:57.but three late goals Why did they turn the lights off?

:07:58. > :08:00.The thought of watching that goal again was too much to bear. I was

:08:01. > :08:05.being particularly stupid. Thank you very much, John.

:08:06. > :08:08.The so-called Calais Jungle could be demolished as early as next week

:08:09. > :08:10.and its 9,000 occupants will certainly be relocated,

:08:11. > :08:14.the French government has promised, by the end of the year.

:08:15. > :08:17.There are hundreds of unaccompanied and vulnerable children there,

:08:18. > :08:22.and charities warn that many will simply go missing when it

:08:23. > :08:25.closes, potentially into the hands of traffickers.

:08:26. > :08:28.They're calling on the British Government to take in those children

:08:29. > :08:30.and teenagers who have family ties in the UK.

:08:31. > :08:32.The Home Secretary has vowed to speed up resettlement plans,

:08:33. > :08:38.Lily Allen has been to the Jungle to see for herself

:08:39. > :08:42.We'll speak to her in a moment, but first here's

:08:43. > :08:44.a reminder of what she saw, a short extract

:08:45. > :08:51.Calais' makeshift refugee camp, The Jungle.

:08:52. > :08:53.Home to around 10,000 people including children.

:08:54. > :08:55.The French government wants this place gone.

:08:56. > :08:58.And will start knocking it down within weeks.

:08:59. > :09:01.Today, singer Lily Allen is in the camp, meeting the children

:09:02. > :09:07.and teenagers calling this place home.

:09:08. > :09:11.There are 1,022 unaccompanied children in this camp,

:09:12. > :09:14.at massive risk of trafficking or just getting lost in the system.

:09:15. > :09:18.A huge proportion of them have got the right to be in the UK

:09:19. > :09:21.because they have family there, and another huge proportion of them

:09:22. > :09:24.have the right to be in the UK because of the passing of the Dubs'

:09:25. > :09:30.At this youth centre, volunteers are trying to record

:09:31. > :09:33.the details of anyone with the right to be

:09:34. > :09:35.Lily meets this 13-year-old from Afghanistan.

:09:36. > :09:39.He's been in the camp the two months now.

:09:40. > :09:53.I know you're trying to get onto the lorries every night but,

:09:54. > :09:55.from what I'm hearing from the refugees and volunteers

:09:56. > :10:02.here in the camp, you've got a legal right to be in the UK.

:10:03. > :10:05.So, I wonder, have you started that process?

:10:06. > :10:25.It just seems at three different intervals in this young boy's life,

:10:26. > :10:29.the English, in particular, have put you in danger.

:10:30. > :10:32.We've bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban,

:10:33. > :10:35.Risking your life to get into our country.

:10:36. > :10:40.I apologise on behalf of my country, I'm sorry for what we've

:10:41. > :11:16.I know I wouldn't like to end up here, though.

:11:17. > :11:25.I certainly wouldn't want my children to end up here.

:11:26. > :11:29.And if you want to watch again - or share - that film you can find it

:11:30. > :11:31.on our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria and you can read

:11:32. > :11:34.about Lily's experience in the Calais jungle on the BBC

:11:35. > :11:46.Dave texts this, "When Lily Allen cried on your programme, I cried

:11:47. > :11:51.too. Why isn't anybody?" Clare says, "All over Europe children are in

:11:52. > :11:54.camps, how can we let this happen?" Another viewer says, "It looks like

:11:55. > :11:59.the Home Office is finally starting to respond, but perhaps it is too

:12:00. > :12:02.little, too late. Amber Rudd is talking of concentrating efforts to

:12:03. > :12:05.children under 12. What will happen to the older children? Highly

:12:06. > :12:09.vulnerable to people traffickers, do we not have a responsibility to all

:12:10. > :12:13.children? Why is there suddenly an age cut off when it comes to Calais.

:12:14. > :12:16.And Lily Allen is here now as is her friend Josie Naughton

:12:17. > :12:23.Tell us why you wanted to see for yourself what was going on in the

:12:24. > :12:28.refugee camp? I suppose just because I read a lot about it in the

:12:29. > :12:32.newspapers and in the press. It kind of seems to be reported in a very

:12:33. > :12:37.one dimensional way and I wanted to see it for myself really. For you

:12:38. > :12:40.Josie, you have been there a number of times, how have things changed if

:12:41. > :12:45.they have at all over the last six months? Over the last six months

:12:46. > :12:49.there as been a lot of new arrivals because it is summer time, but

:12:50. > :12:52.essentially the camp is just, it is not a place that people should be

:12:53. > :12:58.living or people want to be living and I think at the moment there is a

:12:59. > :13:01.real sense of desperation because there is 1022 unaccompanied children

:13:02. > :13:04.living there and at the moment there is no plan in place for how those

:13:05. > :13:08.children will be brought to safety before the demolition of the camp.

:13:09. > :13:14.What did you think you would find there, Lily and how did the reality

:13:15. > :13:19.compare? It was a lot bigger than I thought. I moon the numbers, you

:13:20. > :13:25.know, have been, I read 3,000, 5,000, and it is more like 10,000,

:13:26. > :13:31.really, isn't it? The sheer scale of it is what hit me, I think. As I

:13:32. > :13:35.mentioned Home Secretary Amber Rudd saying that unaccompanied children

:13:36. > :13:39.to the UK, we've accepted 80 so far. She wants a list, she wants names of

:13:40. > :13:43.unaccompanied children living there who are eligible to be brought to

:13:44. > :13:50.Britain. Is that enough from your point of view? I will hand you over

:13:51. > :13:54.to Josie here. So people have been aware of the children living there

:13:55. > :13:59.for well over a year now. There intrn names submitted to the Home

:14:00. > :14:02.Office way back as far as July and even earlier. There are children

:14:03. > :14:05.that have a legal right to come to the UK because they have family

:14:06. > :14:10.here, but there are also children that have a right to come here

:14:11. > :14:14.because of the Dubs amendment that was wassed in May that said that

:14:15. > :14:17.unaccompanied refugee children should be given sanctuary. Some of

:14:18. > :14:20.these children are as young as eight and they are so vulnerable. They

:14:21. > :14:26.need to be protected as soon as possible.

:14:27. > :14:31.So you're talking about speed then, are you? Rather than numbers? Speed

:14:32. > :14:35.and numbers. Right. Every life is precious. So every single child

:14:36. > :14:39.needs to be given protection, be that in France or here. That's a

:14:40. > :14:43.good point of whether it is France or here. You will know that people

:14:44. > :14:46.say if people have arrived in France, that's where they should

:14:47. > :14:53.claim asylum. What is the big attraction with the UK? What do you

:14:54. > :14:56.say to that? Well, I mean, this wages is happening all across

:14:57. > :15:00.Europe. We were, I think, fifth largest economy in the world last

:15:01. > :15:07.week, maybe they're sixth or seventh now! No, I think people think that,

:15:08. > :15:10.you know, those people might assume that we can afford it. Whether

:15:11. > :15:17.that's correct or not, I imagine that's probably why they're coming

:15:18. > :15:21.here. Greece has got 60,000 and their economy... Is on the floor. A

:15:22. > :15:24.lot of these people have got family here. If you lost everything you

:15:25. > :15:27.had, your home, lots of your family, had maybe lost their lives in war

:15:28. > :15:31.and you had one family member remember may think in the UK or

:15:32. > :15:33.somewhere else, you would probably go and find that family member to

:15:34. > :15:41.reach safety. And if you arrive in Europe and you

:15:42. > :15:47.are treated so horribly, you are working towards the dream, it cannot

:15:48. > :15:51.be this awful, people cannot be like this.

:15:52. > :16:01.I am just escaping a war that has nothing to do with me. It is a

:16:02. > :16:06.fantasy. A lot of those children have been in the camp for a year,

:16:07. > :16:09.living in conditions that are so below standard, and they have been

:16:10. > :16:13.in France and nobody has come to take them out of the situation. We

:16:14. > :16:19.all have a responsibility to make them safe. One of the criticisms of

:16:20. > :16:25.people like yourself is, we have got enough kids here that need help, we

:16:26. > :16:28.can not afford to help kids, unaccompanied kids, although they

:16:29. > :16:34.may be from all over Europe and further afield. If you are going to

:16:35. > :16:37.spend hundreds of millions of pounds on getting involved in conflicts in

:16:38. > :16:44.these areas, there has to be a contingency fund for the fallout.

:16:45. > :16:49.These children have been displaced, they have had to run away from what

:16:50. > :16:55.they know. We have to take the responsibility. You may have been

:16:56. > :17:06.asked, would you take an unaccompanied child into your own

:17:07. > :17:09.home? 100%. Who wouldn't? If there were children outside our front door

:17:10. > :17:14.on their own as young as eight, there are not many people who would

:17:15. > :17:22.not say, come inside. Just because they are across the channel does not

:17:23. > :17:27.mean they don't deserve protection. By using your celebrity, you are

:17:28. > :17:31.high profile, you can bring continued awareness to this, because

:17:32. > :17:35.these kids have been there for a year, and there might be something

:17:36. > :17:39.in the news a few months, but you bring renewed interest, which you

:17:40. > :17:47.also get criticised for. What do you think about that? I have to switch

:17:48. > :17:54.off from it. We live in interesting times, the media is very powerful.

:17:55. > :17:57.20 or 30 years ago you could not be involved in music without having

:17:58. > :18:02.something to stand for, but now we live in a time where you are not

:18:03. > :18:07.allowed to stand for anything. But I see it as my responsibility. I

:18:08. > :18:12.cannot switch off and turn a blind eye. Do you feel some kind of

:18:13. > :18:18.censorship, you are not supposed to be allowed to stand up for a course?

:18:19. > :18:24.Yes. Because of the pressure you might get online? Yes. And the

:18:25. > :18:28.reaction in some of the mainstream media as well. There are think

:18:29. > :18:33.pieces which will come out as a result of doing this which will be

:18:34. > :18:37.very negative. But I just have to take that as it comes, I have to

:18:38. > :18:42.stand up for what I believe, or else there is not any point. I am picking

:18:43. > :18:47.up you don't like in the mainstream media. I like some aspects of the

:18:48. > :18:52.mainstream media, it is not all negative, but I do think there is a

:18:53. > :18:59.narrative and a rhetoric that is being pushed at the moment that I

:19:00. > :19:07.don't really enjoy. Meaning? I don't really want to go to all of that.

:19:08. > :19:11.This text says, the people in the jungle in a safe country, why does

:19:12. > :19:14.everybody called for the British Government to do something? The

:19:15. > :19:17.French Government is responsible and seems to be doing nothing. The

:19:18. > :19:23.French should look after these people. One person, Lily Allen needs

:19:24. > :19:26.to visit charities here and see how stretched we are in coping with

:19:27. > :19:33.Children and Families Bill needing help. Michael says, anybody who is

:19:34. > :19:36.anybody knows that the Calle camp should not exist, everybody should

:19:37. > :19:40.be resident in the first safe country they landed in. They crossed

:19:41. > :19:45.a dozen safe countries to get to France. Supercilious celebrities, if

:19:46. > :19:50.they feel so strongly about it, why have they not held to their promises

:19:51. > :19:56.and taken a refugee into their home? Because they are not being allowed

:19:57. > :20:02.into the country. How can I? Are you saying you would do. Obviously, I

:20:03. > :20:07.would have to go through the bureaucratic side, I am not going to

:20:08. > :20:14.do it illegally, but these children are being displaced. Of course,

:20:15. > :20:19.there is room for people in my house, I will take them in! Anybody

:20:20. > :20:20.would. The idea of my children wandering around aimlessly without

:20:21. > :20:33.anywhere to go... We have to let it go there, it is

:20:34. > :20:41.happening, closer to us than Glasgow. Amber Road said in

:20:42. > :20:45.parliament we have spent ?100 million on the situation in Calais,

:20:46. > :20:49.but children are still living like this, so we need to make sure that

:20:50. > :20:55.if we are spending taxpayers money, that children are protected. I want

:20:56. > :20:59.to ask briefly about stalking. We will talk to a Conservative MP who

:21:00. > :21:04.would like the maximum sentence to be doubled from five years in jail

:21:05. > :21:09.to ten years in jail. You have experienced it over several years.

:21:10. > :21:16.Your reaction to the potential idea of doubling the jail sentence? What

:21:17. > :21:21.difference will it make? I am not an expert on the legal system, but I

:21:22. > :21:28.would welcome it in some cases and not in others. It is about the

:21:29. > :21:31.individual case. From your own experience, do you think it would

:21:32. > :21:37.have a deterrent on somebody who was stalking someone else? All I can go

:21:38. > :21:42.by is my own experience, my stalker suffers with mental illness, so it

:21:43. > :21:47.would not have been a deterrent. Policing is the issue rather than

:21:48. > :21:52.sentencing. Meaning you felt let down? You talked about it publicly,

:21:53. > :21:57.and when we reflected the story, we had women getting in touch with

:21:58. > :22:00.similar experiences. There are a lot more preventative measures that

:22:01. > :22:06.could be taken. Our prisons are overstretched. I would rather see

:22:07. > :22:11.more actions taken at the point of it being reported, rather than...

:22:12. > :22:16.Thank you for coming on the programme.

:22:17. > :22:23.Let's talk more about the maximum sentence for anybody caught stalking

:22:24. > :22:26.to be doubled from five to ten years.

:22:27. > :22:29.We can speak now to Alex Chalk, the Conservative MP who is lobbying

:22:30. > :22:32.parliament to increase sentences, and Shingai Shoniwa, lead singer

:22:33. > :22:34.of the band the Noisettes, who is speaking for the first time

:22:35. > :22:39.about her experience of being stalked.

:22:40. > :22:43.You have been and are still being stalked by an ex-partner.

:22:44. > :22:53.Can you tell us some of what he has subjected you to?

:22:54. > :23:06.The only way I can describe it, it is an excessive fixation and a very

:23:07. > :23:11.terrorising desire to control and mutilate someone's life and build a

:23:12. > :23:19.wall around them. It can happen on many different levels to people with

:23:20. > :23:25.different profiles. It is this kind of behaviour, violating people's

:23:26. > :23:29.boundaries, and making sure that they are always thinking about you.

:23:30. > :23:35.It is a pattern that I feel precursors violent behaviour, and

:23:36. > :23:37.most people who have been stalked and harassed have experienced

:23:38. > :23:45.violent behaviour by the perpetrators. It is the beginning of

:23:46. > :23:52.a really terrorising campaign, it is very difficult for somebody who is

:23:53. > :24:00.obsessively fixated and compost to stop doing. The former partner in

:24:01. > :24:05.this case denies the allegations, he is appealing against a conviction.

:24:06. > :24:13.Tell our viewers about the impact on you, how it changes you. Changes how

:24:14. > :24:17.you run your life. A lot of people that go through these experiences

:24:18. > :24:23.are forced to navigate their life in such a way that they are continually

:24:24. > :24:31.having to protect their previously, worrying about the safety of their

:24:32. > :24:35.friends and their family. My creativity and positivity has not

:24:36. > :24:40.been compromised, but professionally it holds everything you do, because

:24:41. > :24:46.you don't want to mix being part of such a negative process with the

:24:47. > :24:51.positive things that are going on in your life and work and job. Most

:24:52. > :24:56.people know me as a positive voice bringing joy and sharing that

:24:57. > :25:03.message, so for me to be able to come here and let people know that

:25:04. > :25:09.things can be put in place and things need to be tightened, because

:25:10. > :25:14.stalker is still lives, it is literally like murder in slow

:25:15. > :25:20.motion, it is a sinister kind of personal terrorism that should not

:25:21. > :25:27.be tolerated. As not just the victims but also advocacy services,

:25:28. > :25:30.everything we lobby and four, is hopefully sending the message that

:25:31. > :25:36.kind of behaviour will not be overrated, and you cannot go around

:25:37. > :25:40.stalking and trying to kill people from the inside out slowly and shut

:25:41. > :25:48.down that world, because it will not be tolerated. It is nothing I would

:25:49. > :25:52.wish upon anybody. Tell us why you are thinking that it would be a

:25:53. > :25:58.deterrent to double the sentence, the maximum sentence, from five

:25:59. > :26:03.years to ten. That was incredibly powerful, and it is not unusual, I

:26:04. > :26:06.have a constituent who was terrorised over the course of seven

:26:07. > :26:11.years. When the judge had to deal with her stalker for the second

:26:12. > :26:15.offence, the judge said, I don't have the powers I need to protect

:26:16. > :26:20.the victim. Think about five years, if you plead guilty at the first

:26:21. > :26:25.opportunity, because you only serve half, it is a maximum of 18 to 20

:26:26. > :26:31.months. This person had destroyed somebody's life for seven years,

:26:32. > :26:35.they developed PTSD and had to give up their job. Compare it with other

:26:36. > :26:40.offences, burglary, a mother violating offence, a maximum of 14

:26:41. > :26:47.years, and yet five years. King does not bear any comparison. Street

:26:48. > :26:52.robbery is maximum life in prison. I am not saying that all offences need

:26:53. > :26:55.a huge sentence, but where it is a repeat offence, somebody is being

:26:56. > :26:59.robbed of their independence, the judge has got to have powers to be

:27:00. > :27:04.able to protect the victim, and they don't have them. What was the

:27:05. > :27:10.sentence in that case? The judge gave the maximum, but he said, if I

:27:11. > :27:14.could give more, I would. You see so many women, the only time that they

:27:15. > :27:18.are able to grow again as people, to live their lives, ill their

:27:19. > :27:23.relationships and careers is whilst that person is in custody. They look

:27:24. > :27:28.at the clock, when the person is getting closer to release data, and

:27:29. > :27:32.you see their tension rising. Of course people need to be released

:27:33. > :27:36.and rehabilitated and reformed, but equally we have to put victims

:27:37. > :27:40.first, to ensure they are properly protected. The Government has done

:27:41. > :27:47.great stuff by making it an offence, it was not until 2012,... I've

:27:48. > :27:50.reported on it. It was a really important step, but the sentencing

:27:51. > :27:55.still treated as a minor offence, but it is a serious offence. If it

:27:56. > :28:02.was doubled to ten years, would it deter some people who perpetrate

:28:03. > :28:06.stalking? Or is that not the point? The point is keeping somebody off

:28:07. > :28:10.the street so the victim feels... That is the point. Stalkers tend to

:28:11. > :28:17.be more sophisticated than your average criminal. They make a cost

:28:18. > :28:21.in a fit and answers. At the margin, maybe some, but in the most serious

:28:22. > :28:25.cases, for the judge to say, you have destroyed someone's life over a

:28:26. > :28:29.repeated period of time, you have not listened to short sentences, you

:28:30. > :28:34.will be out of circulation for a while, it is only then we do justice

:28:35. > :28:41.for the victims. Stalkers tend to have this excessive, repetitive

:28:42. > :28:46.offending profile about themselves. It is only a matter of time before

:28:47. > :28:54.they choose and size at their next victim. The perpetrator involved in

:28:55. > :28:57.my case used to brag about having ruined other people's lives before,

:28:58. > :29:06.and that is when I saw warning signs. He would go around bragging

:29:07. > :29:09.that he was above the law and it was exciting to damage people and to try

:29:10. > :29:15.and play this psychological game that does not just affect them but

:29:16. > :29:20.it extends to their families. It extends to dozens of the people

:29:21. > :29:25.around them. You are not just attempting to destroy and assault

:29:26. > :29:38.one person, there is a ricochet effect, and even like you said the

:29:39. > :29:42.doctor in question had PTSD, and things like depression. That is an

:29:43. > :29:51.illness that you are inflicting on somebody else. Did you fear for your

:29:52. > :30:01.life? There is a survival instinct that kicks in. I definitely felt a

:30:02. > :30:07.lot better once I came into contact with the charity and saw some of the

:30:08. > :30:10.incredible stories. So many of these cases have resulted in fatalities.

:30:11. > :30:18.And of grievous bodily harm situations. There are other things

:30:19. > :30:24.that spiral off that stalkers will often do, which is hacking a fraud,

:30:25. > :30:30.stealing money, all of the things that I have experienced as well.

:30:31. > :30:37.There needs to be a message out there that actually we are equipped

:30:38. > :30:40.to deal with you, otherwise people who have to not just fear for their

:30:41. > :30:42.own safety, but for the safety of others around them, my folks had to

:30:43. > :30:52.move house. This stalker turned up at a birthday

:30:53. > :30:56.party that her daughter was. Sent a package that she knew where the

:30:57. > :31:02.kids, where they lived and where the kids and a message when he came out

:31:03. > :31:06.of prison, "Guess who is back?" It is unbelievably menacing. It is

:31:07. > :31:10.invasive and it is violating. It can be the gateway to very serious

:31:11. > :31:13.violence. If you look at the Metropolitan Police statistics about

:31:14. > :31:16.domestic violence, the proportion that have been proceeded by an

:31:17. > :31:20.episode of stalking is eye watering. It is close to 40%. So it is about,

:31:21. > :31:23.it is all about protection this and at the moment the law could go

:31:24. > :31:32.further. OK, thank you very much.

:31:33. > :31:38.I would like to add as well - there is a petition to create a register

:31:39. > :31:42.for stalkers, you know, and harassers, people who have been

:31:43. > :31:47.convicted so in my case, the perpetrator would have to sign an

:31:48. > :31:51.offenders register such as sex offenders and other criminals have

:31:52. > :31:54.to do so because then people can know when they go into those

:31:55. > :31:59.communities and try to reoffend or seek work that they're going to be

:32:00. > :32:07.blocked unless rehabilitated. OK. Thank you. Thank you so much for

:32:08. > :32:10.having us. Not a problem. Thank you. You should contact the police if you

:32:11. > :32:18.are being stalked and there are charities who can help you include.

:32:19. > :32:22.We'll be talking to a mother with HIV who went

:32:23. > :32:44.Vanessa Roberts only found out she has HIV.

:32:45. > :32:48.With 70 stars of Rio 2016. There will be an audience of people who

:32:49. > :32:50.loved the Olympics and the Paralympics, that's our programme on

:32:51. > :32:55.Monday live from Manchester. With the news, here's Annita

:32:56. > :32:57.in the BBC Newsroom. Figures seen by the BBC have

:32:58. > :33:02.revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England

:33:03. > :33:07.as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years, cases have

:33:08. > :33:11.climbed to almost 30,000 annually - In contrast, average hospital

:33:12. > :33:18.admissions went up by just 8%. Doctors blame increased cleanliness

:33:19. > :33:20.over the last 100 years, but it's not clear what has happened

:33:21. > :33:23.since 2011 to trigger Ten Downing Street has confirmed

:33:24. > :33:27.this morning that MPs won't get to vote on triggering Article 50

:33:28. > :33:30.to start the process However there's increased pressure

:33:31. > :33:36.for a vote on the Government's And Labour is also demanding more

:33:37. > :33:40.detail on strategy. The party is staging a debate

:33:41. > :33:47.in Parliament later, while Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir

:33:48. > :33:49.Keir Starmer, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry,

:33:50. > :33:51.have asked for clarification Lily Allen has called

:33:52. > :33:56.on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called

:33:57. > :33:59.Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have

:34:00. > :34:01.committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population

:34:02. > :34:03.of 9,000 migrants and refugees, On her first visit, Lily Allen

:34:04. > :34:15.described the situation as inhumane. Seven-year-olds are being offered

:34:16. > :34:17.free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:34:18. > :34:21.to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:34:22. > :34:24.health problems against the virus. The jab is already offered

:34:25. > :34:26.to all primary school pupils Will Young has announced he's

:34:27. > :34:34.quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd

:34:35. > :34:37.pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy

:34:38. > :34:40.in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most

:34:41. > :34:43.loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's

:34:44. > :34:46.programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said

:34:47. > :34:48.there was "not enough Join me for BBC

:34:49. > :35:00.Newsroom live at 11am. Here's some sport now

:35:01. > :35:03.with John Watson. Boxer Billie Joe Saunders says

:35:04. > :35:10.Tyson Fury could take his own life if his boxing licence is stripped

:35:11. > :35:12.after he admitted taking Cocaine. Speaking on this programme he said

:35:13. > :35:15.Fury would slip deeper into depression if his ability

:35:16. > :35:18.to box was taken away, as he tries to deal with his

:35:19. > :35:20.mental health problems. England interim manager

:35:21. > :35:23.Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over

:35:24. > :35:27.from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. In last night's 0-0 draw

:35:28. > :35:29.in Slovenia, they were indebted to goalkeeper

:35:30. > :35:32.Joe Hart for a string England are now three points clear

:35:33. > :35:36.of Scotland who slumped Manager Gordon Strachan

:35:37. > :35:39.said he "felt sorry" And it's a winner takes

:35:40. > :35:45.all in the final one day match between England and

:35:46. > :35:49.Bangladesh in Chittagong. People with HIV are being diagnosed

:35:50. > :36:01.late because hospitals and GP practices in England and Scotland

:36:02. > :36:03.are ignoring guidelines and failing Dr Faye Kirkland, who is a GP

:36:04. > :36:14.and a reporter, has the story. In the UK, more than 100,000 people

:36:15. > :36:18.are living with HIV. About 18,000 people in the country

:36:19. > :36:22.are thought to be living Last year, nearly 40% of adults

:36:23. > :36:29.diagnosed with HIV only found out in the late stages of infection,

:36:30. > :36:34.often meaning they were more unwell, more unlikely to be admitted

:36:35. > :36:36.to hospital, and have longer to unknowingly pass the disease

:36:37. > :36:40.to their sexual partners. To tackle this, eight years ago,

:36:41. > :36:46.the British HIV association, who advise on HIV care,

:36:47. > :36:50.issued guidance, saying that in the high-risk areas shown here,

:36:51. > :36:52.where there are more than two in 1,000 people diagnosed,

:36:53. > :36:57.GPs should consider offering all patients an HIV test

:36:58. > :36:59.when they register. And also in hospitals

:37:00. > :37:01.when patients are admitted In 2013, the guidance

:37:02. > :37:06.was strengthened, saying It's backed by public

:37:07. > :37:13.health England. Here in St Thomas' in London,

:37:14. > :37:16.they have the highest rates of HIV in the local community in the whole

:37:17. > :37:18.of the UK. So, for the last 14 months,

:37:19. > :37:21.all patients over 16 who have a blood test here in A

:37:22. > :37:24.are also given a test for HIV, unless the patient decides

:37:25. > :37:27.they don't want it. So, patients are given

:37:28. > :37:29.a leaflet on arrival, and there are posters explaining

:37:30. > :37:35.about the testing scheme. The benefit for these

:37:36. > :37:39.patients is enormous. We're literally talking

:37:40. > :37:41.about saving someone's life. If you can detect HIV

:37:42. > :37:43.before someone gets sick, you can offer them treatment

:37:44. > :37:45.and prevent further illness. In the old days, we would mainly

:37:46. > :37:48.diagnose HIV in sexual health Because that's when most

:37:49. > :37:57.of the testing was. We're actually diagnosing twice

:37:58. > :38:01.as many people in the emergency department as we are in the sexual

:38:02. > :38:04.health which is extraordinary. We can also see the impact

:38:05. > :38:08.on inpatient admissions. So by picking people up earlier,

:38:09. > :38:10.we are preventing people getting And we've seen a 15% drop

:38:11. > :38:14.in inpatient episodes That more than offsets

:38:15. > :38:21.the cost of testing. In England, local authorities

:38:22. > :38:24.are responsible for funding HIV 82% of these hospitals are not

:38:25. > :38:29.testing in this way. And 70% of local authorities are not

:38:30. > :38:35.funding HIV tests for people But the local health boards

:38:36. > :38:43.do not offer testing This failure to fund, and this

:38:44. > :38:48.failure to test, is risking lives. It's costing lives, and it's also

:38:49. > :38:52.costing new infections. HIV testing is one of the very best

:38:53. > :38:54.interventions in terms What's been shown in many,

:38:55. > :39:02.many studies is a barrier Patients, when it is explained

:39:03. > :39:08.to them why it should be done, But staff members feel

:39:09. > :39:11.uncomfortable, they don't The stigma of HIV comes

:39:12. > :39:16.out and comes forward. The Department of Health

:39:17. > :39:19.spokesperson said, "While councils have had to make savings,

:39:20. > :39:22.they've also shown that good results can be achieved at the same time,

:39:23. > :39:25.and are best placed to understand Significant progress is being made

:39:26. > :39:37.to diagnose HIV early." And the Scottish Public Health

:39:38. > :39:40.Minister said, "Prevention of HIV infection remains a priority

:39:41. > :39:42.for the Scottish Government. The Beaver guidelines are good

:39:43. > :39:45.practice and we would expect boards to take them into account

:39:46. > :39:46.while developing their And what we've seen in this

:39:47. > :39:51.population is many more white heterosexual men, slightly different

:39:52. > :39:53.to the population we've And that's a really

:39:54. > :39:58.important message. If you just focus on populations

:39:59. > :40:02.were traditionally we've seen more Local authorities are keen to point

:40:03. > :40:11.out that they do fund testing in other settings, such

:40:12. > :40:13.as sexual health clinics. But experts say this strategy alone

:40:14. > :40:15.is resulting in patients with an undiagnosed infection

:40:16. > :40:30.slipping through the net. So tell us why local councils are

:40:31. > :40:35.not funding? Well, the guidelines that you just heard about are

:40:36. > :40:38.actually also co-authored by a number of organisations and one was

:40:39. > :40:42.the Local Government Association. So in England there are 150 local

:40:43. > :40:45.authorities where they have got responsibility for funding public

:40:46. > :40:49.health services and a third of them are in high risk areas. Now, I asked

:40:50. > :40:54.the Local Government Association if they signed up to this, why councils

:40:55. > :40:58.aren't doing it? They told me there is hand about a squeeze on the

:40:59. > :41:03.budget for public health in England and they are keen to point out they

:41:04. > :41:08.test in other settings. There are no risk areas in Wales or Northern

:41:09. > :41:14.Ireland. But some GP surgeries are not testing even when they are

:41:15. > :41:18.funded? I asked the councils who are funding the GP surgeries how many

:41:19. > :41:24.GPs surgeries are doing it. One council told me they were happy to

:41:25. > :41:32.fund the GP surgeries, none of taken them up on the offer. 60% of GP

:41:33. > :41:36.surgeries take up the offer, but 40% don't, there are multiple reasons,

:41:37. > :41:40.one was the shortage of GPs and when the scheme is implemented they think

:41:41. > :41:44.that staff get ineffective training on how well it is to manage it. What

:41:45. > :41:49.does it mean for patients? Well, I showed our findings to our leading

:41:50. > :41:53.HIV charities, the Terrence Higgins trust, the British Association of

:41:54. > :41:57.Sexual health and HIV and the National AIDS Trust. All said for

:41:58. > :42:02.patients this may mean some patients are not diagnosed until the late

:42:03. > :42:07.stages of their infection which means patients end up in hospital or

:42:08. > :42:10.unknowingly pass the infection on to other people. It is good for

:42:11. > :42:13.patients, but it is cost effective for the NHS. OK, thank you.

:42:14. > :42:17.And there is plenty more on the story on Radio 4's

:42:18. > :42:22.We can talk now to Vanessa Roberts, who was diagnosed with HIV in 2014

:42:23. > :42:28.after living with the virus unknowingly for over 30 years.

:42:29. > :42:34.Which just seems astonishing... Yes, it is a rather unbelievable story,

:42:35. > :42:40.isn't it? But it is my story. Tell us when you first started having

:42:41. > :42:43.symptoms and how old you were? Well, looking back I suppose symptoms

:42:44. > :42:46.first started appearing when I was in my early 20s, but I didn't

:42:47. > :42:57.recognise them as being symptoms of HIV infection. It was like what? OK,

:42:58. > :43:02.it was things like skin infections, ear infections, verrucas, lots of

:43:03. > :43:08.niggly things, bronchitis, things like that, I couldn't breathe very

:43:09. > :43:13.well through nigh nose. I had my adenoids out twice because they grew

:43:14. > :43:20.back and as the years went by those symptoms kind of got worse, but

:43:21. > :43:23.there was nothing really major that made anybody concerned that there

:43:24. > :43:27.was something seriously wrong with me. Certainly during that time

:43:28. > :43:33.nobody ever suggested I get a test. It never occurred to you? No. ,

:43:34. > :43:37.Because... Why would it? Well, I had been aware when I was young that I

:43:38. > :43:42.may have put myself at risk and I was very aware of the campaign in

:43:43. > :43:47.the 80s about HIV AIDS, but I went on and I got married, I had two

:43:48. > :43:51.children who grew up healthily, and I kind of assumed I didn't have it,

:43:52. > :43:55.put it to the back of mined and didn't think anymore about it. How

:43:56. > :44:00.was it that I came to be diagnosed a couple of years ago? Right, well I

:44:01. > :44:03.had a medical problem they wasn't sexually related, but I couldn't get

:44:04. > :44:07.an appointment with my GP for two weeks and I knew that I could get

:44:08. > :44:12.treatment for this at the gum clinic and they had a drop in. I took

:44:13. > :44:17.myself to the drop in. And I got the treatment for the thing that I had,

:44:18. > :44:22.it was a minor thing and while I was there, they offered me a routine

:44:23. > :44:25.blood screening test that they offered everybody at the sexual

:44:26. > :44:27.health clinic and I accepted it because I didn't want to be

:44:28. > :44:31.difficult really. You know when you go to the GP and they say, "We have

:44:32. > :44:36.a student is that OK and you say yes." So I accepted the test and

:44:37. > :44:39.thought nothing more of it and didn't expect it to show anything

:44:40. > :44:44.and three days later I got a text message while I was at work from the

:44:45. > :44:50.clinic saying please phone us immediately. So I'm a grief

:44:51. > :44:55.counsellor, I went into a private room and I phoned up and they said,

:44:56. > :45:00."You need to come become to the hospital immediately." I said what

:45:01. > :45:05.sort? They said there is a problem with one of your tests and I said

:45:06. > :45:09.I'm not coming unless you tell me. And they said, "You're

:45:10. > :45:13.HIV-positive." I felt as if my world was falling apart. My knowledge of

:45:14. > :45:16.HIV went back to the ad in the 80s, I thought I was going to die by the

:45:17. > :45:20.end of the week, it was a frightening thing.

:45:21. > :45:30.My main concern was that I would die immediately. Which was illogical.

:45:31. > :45:39.But that is what was in my mind. The other concern was for my children.

:45:40. > :45:45.They were in their 20s. I was very concerned about them. My daughter

:45:46. > :45:49.had donated blood in the past, I thought she was OK, but I was

:45:50. > :45:53.concerned for my son and husband at the time and my ex-husband, the

:45:54. > :45:59.father of my children. Could you work out how you contracted it? Yes,

:46:00. > :46:03.from the blood results that were taken, the doctors established I had

:46:04. > :46:07.had the virus for a long time. Looking back at my medical and

:46:08. > :46:17.sexual history, it had to predate my first marriage. I had an episode at

:46:18. > :46:24.19, in 1983, at university in Aberdeen, I was hospitalised with a

:46:25. > :46:30.mystery virus. I had been having a relationship with a guy from Malawi,

:46:31. > :46:35.a visiting student. I was hospitalised for a feud days and I

:46:36. > :46:43.was told, you have had a virus, we don't know what it was but you are

:46:44. > :46:48.fine now. That was it, for 31 years. Do you think a mandatory test like

:46:49. > :46:57.we were talking about earlier would make a huge difference? Some

:46:58. > :47:01.difference? It is vital. When people are diagnosed these days, and they

:47:02. > :47:07.get on the medication, the medication these days is pretty

:47:08. > :47:12.nontoxic, very few side effects, you can live a normal life with them.

:47:13. > :47:19.You quickly become something called undetectable, meaning that the viral

:47:20. > :47:22.level in your blood is solo that you are not infectious and you cannot

:47:23. > :47:28.transmit the virus, even through unprotected sex. It is vital for

:47:29. > :47:35.everybody that has this virus in their body to become aware of their

:47:36. > :47:39.status, get on the medication and become undetectable. That way we

:47:40. > :47:45.eradicate the virus. It is all very well looking for a cure, and I still

:47:46. > :47:49.feel that if you years down the line, but everybody is put on

:47:50. > :47:56.medication, we can eradicate this, and surely that is the best course

:47:57. > :48:01.of action. Now you have accepted the diagnosis, had time to reflect on

:48:02. > :48:05.it, you are smiley and positive. I am not a victim and I am not into

:48:06. > :48:13.self signifies Asian, which I have experienced from other people which

:48:14. > :48:17.are living with HIV. The stigma is real, it is not an easy thing to

:48:18. > :48:24.admit you have, I feel it has enriched my life, though. I am

:48:25. > :48:29.fortunate in that I am surrounded by accepting, positive people. My

:48:30. > :48:34.children and two ex-husbands do not have the virus, that was another

:48:35. > :48:38.fortunate thing. I have travelled to America and met women with HIV

:48:39. > :48:44.there. I try to tell everybody about it. It is a non-issue now, although

:48:45. > :48:46.I appreciate for many it is still a big issue. It is for those people

:48:47. > :48:50.that I am speaking. Still to come, allergies

:48:51. > :48:52.are now affecting more people than ever before,

:48:53. > :49:00.but doctors say they know why. Now about an hour ago,

:49:01. > :49:09.we were talking about the company Concentrix, which is at the centre

:49:10. > :49:20.of a scandal which saw so many Paul had his wrongly stopped, he

:49:21. > :49:24.will give evidence to MPs investigating the company. He told

:49:25. > :49:29.us earlier on the programme that he knew of people who had received the

:49:30. > :49:33.wrong person's tax details and documentation, including their full

:49:34. > :49:37.statement of earnings for the year and their national insurance number,

:49:38. > :49:39.which would be a serious breach of data protection rules.

:49:40. > :49:43.We have evidence that we will race tomorrow that will show they are

:49:44. > :49:49.sending other people's documents back when they return documents. The

:49:50. > :49:54.wrong documents? To the wrong people? We have evidence that we

:49:55. > :50:01.will raise tomorrow. In a minute, one woman who that has

:50:02. > :50:05.happened to. First, Peter is back, having tried to speak to HMRC and

:50:06. > :50:10.Concentrix. They have said they treat the protection of customer

:50:11. > :50:17.information extremely seriously, they have robust processes in place,

:50:18. > :50:19.and they are very serious about the protection of personal information

:50:20. > :50:24.and able look into these allegations straightaway. Sources close to

:50:25. > :50:32.Concentrix say that they also have processes in place to deal with

:50:33. > :50:35.this. There has been a quick tot up online of harmony people they

:50:36. > :50:38.believe have been sent other people's personal information, they

:50:39. > :50:42.believe it is around about 100 people have been sent things like

:50:43. > :50:51.anchor statements on self-assessment of other people and national

:50:52. > :50:57.insurance numbers. Let's talk to a woman whose child tax cut its worst

:50:58. > :51:03.opt, and you were sent the wrong documents, somebody else's? Yes, my

:51:04. > :51:09.name and address of the heading, but it was their national insurance

:51:10. > :51:14.number and their financial tax year. And the claim number. Concentrix

:51:15. > :51:22.were not aware until I made them aware. You got another woman or man?

:51:23. > :51:31.Another woman, I don't even know, never heard of her in my life. What

:51:32. > :51:35.did they say? They did not know. An American bloke came back on the

:51:36. > :51:42.phone, and said, what is your problem? I put the phone down on him

:51:43. > :51:46.and got on to HMRC, who said they were looking into it, but I never

:51:47. > :51:54.heard anything more. I e-mailed my MP to tell him. They told him they

:51:55. > :51:59.are asking for the letter back. They sent me a letter asking for the

:52:00. > :52:06.letter back. We are showing it to our audience now, it says, dear Mrs

:52:07. > :52:15.Whitaker. It doesn't matter to you that you got Mrs Whitaker's details,

:52:16. > :52:19.but I am sure it will matter to her. Yes, she does not even know it

:52:20. > :52:27.happened. Serious eater protection issues. Thank you for talking to us.

:52:28. > :52:32.Her child tax credits were stopped and she was then sent the wrong

:52:33. > :52:39.documents back. They say they have robust procedures in place, but not

:52:40. > :52:41.that robust. That is the question, how robust they? The MPs were

:52:42. > :52:46.looking to this tomorrow when they go before the committee and they

:52:47. > :52:52.will ask not only what went wrong but also, are there any alleged

:52:53. > :52:56.breaches of personal data? Also HMRC refused to come on the programme,

:52:57. > :52:59.they do watch it, because they have e-mailed me and said they would like

:53:00. > :53:06.to clarify that the reassessment of people's claims takes 15 days

:53:07. > :53:10.maximum, and within four days they get payment. Interesting that they

:53:11. > :53:14.watch us. They did not tell us that initially, they made it say that it

:53:15. > :53:18.was four days and then you get the money back, but now it is 15 days to

:53:19. > :53:22.reassess, and once they have decided, it should be for days to

:53:23. > :53:24.get the money back. If they came on, they could say that more easily than

:53:25. > :53:30.through e-mails. "It's weird to look at a meal

:53:31. > :53:34.and know that it could kill you." So says one sufferer

:53:35. > :53:35.of life-threatening allergies, which are now affecting more

:53:36. > :53:38.people than ever before. Doctors say they know why there's

:53:39. > :53:40.been such a mighty increase in severe allergic reactions

:53:41. > :53:43.in England in the last five years. They blame the fact that we're

:53:44. > :53:45.living in a much-cleaner world But what's happened since 2011

:53:46. > :53:49.to drive up hospital admissions for anaphylactic shock and other

:53:50. > :53:52.allergic reactions by a third? Ruby Scott is a student

:53:53. > :53:57.at Newcastle University who discovered she had an allergy

:53:58. > :54:00.when she ate a peanut sandwich And with us in the studio

:54:01. > :54:11.is Hazel Gowland, who's the founder of Allergy Action and is the food

:54:12. > :54:27.adviser for the Anaphylaxis Tell us about your experience. I

:54:28. > :54:30.went to an Indian takeaway and asked for a chicken korma. I told them I

:54:31. > :54:36.had a peanut allergy and they said it would be fine. I took it home and

:54:37. > :54:42.as soon as I had my first bite, my lips started to tingle, I came out

:54:43. > :54:48.in hives everywhere, started to feel sick, my throat started to close up,

:54:49. > :54:51.and I got rushed to hospital. A really scary experience for

:54:52. > :55:00.everyone, especially me. What is it like Tom are living with that risk

:55:01. > :55:02.through your whole life? It is really weird, watching other people

:55:03. > :55:10.eat something that I know would kill me. And going to restaurants and

:55:11. > :55:13.having to be so careful in what I am eating, asking for an allergen menu

:55:14. > :55:22.will stop it is really scary, knowing that you could eat something

:55:23. > :55:28.and I. It is really weird. What is it that you are campaigning for? I

:55:29. > :55:33.also have a peanut allergy. I have had it all my life. We are trying to

:55:34. > :55:38.enable people with allergies to get proper diagnosis so when they go to

:55:39. > :55:42.hospital they get the best possible outcome, support for any future

:55:43. > :55:46.reactions, helps to know what they are allergic to, to know exactly how

:55:47. > :55:50.to manage and treat it and avoid the things they need to avoid. What did

:55:51. > :55:55.you think of this suggestion that the reason that admissions have gone

:55:56. > :56:01.up is because we are just to clean? It is part of the story but not the

:56:02. > :56:08.whole story. Let's deal with that. I thought that was an urban myth, but

:56:09. > :56:15.it is true. More babies are born by Caesarean nowadays, which is not the

:56:16. > :56:19.natural way, and it is suggested that they then have any insistence

:56:20. > :56:21.that are not programmed to deal with allergies in the future, they have

:56:22. > :56:29.more allergic bodies because of that. Also, we live in less close

:56:30. > :56:35.contact with farm animals than reduced to. But parents are always

:56:36. > :56:40.getting the baby wipes out to clean fingers, and there is no need. The

:56:41. > :56:44.trouble is, in times past, we were prepared to lose some of our

:56:45. > :56:47.children, let them have illnesses, and we don't tend to do that

:56:48. > :57:00.nowadays. Cleaning their fingers every two seconds... They don't need

:57:01. > :57:06.to. Briefly, do you think GPs... Did you think they know enough about

:57:07. > :57:12.spotting allergic reaction? Some do. Some are allergy trained and really

:57:13. > :57:14.up for this. To get a proper diagnosis, half the story is

:57:15. > :57:20.listening carefully with searching questions, the history is a lot of

:57:21. > :57:23.the diagnosis, and if we have people who need to be referred, they need

:57:24. > :57:29.to be referred to specialist clinics, and we do not have enough.

:57:30. > :57:36.This just in, it is about somebody wearing a clown mask, the police say

:57:37. > :57:40.they have been alerted to reports of a man in a car wearing a clown mask

:57:41. > :57:46.and in possession of what appeared to be a firearm in Hayes, not too

:57:47. > :57:51.far from Heathrow. The Heathrow armed response unit went along and

:57:52. > :57:53.stopped a car in Hillingdon. And imitation firearm was recovered and

:57:54. > :57:55.a man in his 50s arrested on suspicion of assessing and imitation

:57:56. > :57:58.firearm. Joanna's presenting the programme

:57:59. > :58:00.tomorrow, and she'll bring you an interview with Tom Hanks

:58:01. > :58:09.and director Ron Howard. Have a good day, thanks for your

:58:10. > :58:15.company.