13/10/2016

:00:00. > :00:10.I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

:00:11. > :00:14.Love it or hate it, Marmite stocks are running low as a price war

:00:15. > :00:16.breaks out between Tesco and the manufacturer

:00:17. > :00:23.Antoinette Sandbach stood up in the house of commons and made

:00:24. > :00:24.an emotional speech last year about her experience

:00:25. > :00:32.Today the MP is leading a debate in parliament to get people talking

:00:33. > :00:35.about the devastating effects of losing a baby.

:00:36. > :00:39.She'll join us with two other women to talk about their experiences.

:00:40. > :00:42.And we have an exclusive interview with Ron Howard the director

:00:43. > :00:45.of the new Tom Hanks film Inferno - he's been talking to me

:00:46. > :00:47.about making movies, how Hollywood treats older women,

:00:48. > :01:02.I've had conversations with him. He's a great self promoter. That is

:01:03. > :01:07.what he does. He has built that brand. I just don't think he's

:01:08. > :01:08.prepared to do the job. I think Hillary Clinton has been preparing

:01:09. > :01:20.for this all of her life. Welcome to the programme,

:01:21. > :01:23.we're live until 11 this morning. We will bring you the latest

:01:24. > :01:27.on the decision by Tyson Fury to give up his two world

:01:28. > :01:29.heavyweight boxing titles, he says to give him time to focus

:01:30. > :01:32.on dealing with his depression. And later in the programme

:01:33. > :01:35.we will hear the incredible story of a sailor who survived shark

:01:36. > :01:37.infested waters for 29 hours Do get in touch on all the stories

:01:38. > :01:44.we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag #Victorialive

:01:45. > :01:58.and if you text, you will be charged Tesco is running down stocks of

:01:59. > :02:02.dozens of household items such as marmite, flora and PG Tips because

:02:03. > :02:07.it is refusing to pay higher prices demanded by the supplier. Unilever

:02:08. > :02:13.is believed to have blamed the price hikes on the fall in sterling. The

:02:14. > :02:15.company is being of some MPs -- by some MPs of using Brexit as an

:02:16. > :02:17.excuse to exploit customers. Look at the Tesco website this

:02:18. > :02:19.morning and you'll find that dozens of its top-selling

:02:20. > :02:21.products are unavailable. All the items, from Persil

:02:22. > :02:23.to Pot Noodles, are made They are believed to have

:02:24. > :02:28.demanded a 10% price hike, blaming the weakness of the pound

:02:29. > :02:31.since the Brexit vote. And so, one of the biggest consumer

:02:32. > :02:37.goods suppliers is said to have stopped deliveries to

:02:38. > :02:39.Britain's biggest retailer. For the time being at least,

:02:40. > :02:42.the problem seems to be I've just bought these

:02:43. > :02:50.Unilever items at the store here and there was plenty of product

:02:51. > :02:52.on the shelves. But some people are reporting

:02:53. > :02:54.problems buying these Marmite is made in the UK,

:02:55. > :02:58.so why should its price go up 10%? Some analysts say Unilever may be

:02:59. > :03:02.using the pound's fall as a pretext for increasing

:03:03. > :03:09.its prices across the board. Unilever has said nothing

:03:10. > :03:11.at all about the current dispute. In the battle of the Marmite jars,

:03:12. > :03:22.the former boss of another big supplier says Tesco will eventually

:03:23. > :03:27.have to give some ground. That's where Unilever will win

:03:28. > :03:30.because, despite the fact people may grumble about paying more

:03:31. > :03:32.for Marmite, they will pay more for Marmite

:03:33. > :03:34.and that's what the strength But then the people who pay

:03:35. > :03:37.more have less money So, two giants of the food world

:03:38. > :03:47.are facing up to each other Let's get more now with our

:03:48. > :04:08.Political Guru Norman Smith. There is also a legal challenge

:04:09. > :04:13.beginning over Brexit. Tell us what it centres on. This is a court case

:04:14. > :04:18.that could yet plunge the whole Brexit process into pretty much

:04:19. > :04:25.chaos. At its heart, the issue of who should decide, who fires the

:04:26. > :04:29.starting gun on Brexit, who triggers what is called Article 50, which

:04:30. > :04:34.begins the formal process of quitting the EU. Should it be

:04:35. > :04:38.Theresa May and the government, or MPs in Parliament? Theresa May's

:04:39. > :04:41.view is, well, she should do it because the people have spoken in a

:04:42. > :04:46.referendum, there is no ambiguity about it, so she will get on with it

:04:47. > :04:51.and trigger Article 50. She can do so, she says, because of what are

:04:52. > :04:55.called Royal prerogative powers. What does that mean? Basically,

:04:56. > :04:59.these are powers that kings and queens had in the olden days when it

:05:00. > :05:07.came to foreign affairs, which have now been handed to governments. The

:05:08. > :05:10.argument is, well, leaving the EU is a big foreign affairs issue and

:05:11. > :05:13.therefore is covered by Royal prerogative powers and it is

:05:14. > :05:21.therefore up to the Government to decide. Opponents say, on this sort

:05:22. > :05:24.of issue, it must be Parliament. The referendum was not binding, it was

:05:25. > :05:30.simply a consultation. It is up to Parliament to decide to trigger

:05:31. > :05:39.Article 50. That, at least, is the argument of a woman heads an

:05:40. > :05:43.investment firm, who is mounting the legal challenge. In a modern

:05:44. > :05:50.democracy, I just do not see that we can have this secretive, antiquated

:05:51. > :05:53.prerogative, this power to take away people's individual rights.

:05:54. > :05:57.Parliament grants us our rights and this is Parliament that can take

:05:58. > :06:01.them away, not ministers and a Prime Minister sitting in a closed room.

:06:02. > :06:10.The suspicion of many extra tiers is that all of this legal Hoo hah is a

:06:11. > :06:14.ruse to derail Brexit and reverse the referendum result by people but

:06:15. > :06:21.didn't like the outcome and are now trying to find ways to basically

:06:22. > :06:24.nobble it. Listen to the Conservative MP, a prominent

:06:25. > :06:30.Brexiteer, also used to be a Foreign Office lawyer. I think this is a

:06:31. > :06:34.pretty naked attempt to steal the referendum by the back door. You

:06:35. > :06:40.talked about 70 million people, 33 million people voted in on the 23rd

:06:41. > :06:42.of June. It was a close result, but I clear one. I don't think it is

:06:43. > :06:48.right for someone with legal friends in high places, getting to go to

:06:49. > :06:51.court and try to block and frustrate that process, it takes a special

:06:52. > :06:56.kind of arrogance to think one prison's view trumps that of 33

:06:57. > :07:01.million. The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is going to be

:07:02. > :07:05.questioned by MPs today, no doubt with more about Brexit? Certainly

:07:06. > :07:10.more about Brexit. I guess who is running the show. There has been a

:07:11. > :07:15.tussle between Boris Johnson and the Foreign Office, and David Davis, who

:07:16. > :07:18.has this new Brexit department, who is actually driving this, who is in

:07:19. > :07:22.charge? There will be questions about that. Also questions about the

:07:23. > :07:26.Foreign Secretary remarks about people going and protesting outside

:07:27. > :07:30.the Russian Embassy, about the role of the Russians in Aleppo, a huge

:07:31. > :07:34.backlash from the Russian government, laying into Boris

:07:35. > :07:37.Johnson, demanding he produce evidence for his assertion that

:07:38. > :07:42.somehow Russia is guilty of war crimes. I suspect we will get some

:07:43. > :07:48.lines from Boris Johnson around Brexit and whether he is in charge,

:07:49. > :07:52.and also, will MPs get a vote? That issue is still bubbling around.

:07:53. > :07:55.Also, interesting to hear Boris Johnson defending his suggestion we

:07:56. > :07:59.should all be outside the Russian Embassy protesting what they are

:08:00. > :08:02.doing in Aleppo. We will have coverage of that later.

:08:03. > :08:06.Now for a summary of the rest of the day's news.

:08:07. > :08:11.The company at the centre of a scandal which saw

:08:12. > :08:14.so many tax credits wrongly stopped is due to speak publicly

:08:15. > :08:16.for the first time this morning - when it gives evidence

:08:17. > :08:21.The American firm Concentrix was employed by the Government

:08:22. > :08:23.to reduce the benefits bill by finding and stopping

:08:24. > :08:29.But last month this programme exclusively revealed that many

:08:30. > :08:37.people were having their money stopped by mistake.

:08:38. > :08:40.The health watchdog has warned A departments in England are buckling

:08:41. > :08:42.under the pressure of a social care system which is reaching

:08:43. > :08:46.The Care Quality Commission said the elderly were spending longer

:08:47. > :08:48.in hospital because of inadequate care at home.

:08:49. > :08:56.Our health correspondent, Dominic Hughes reports.

:08:57. > :08:58.There's no doubt the health and social care system in England

:08:59. > :09:04.Today's report by the regulator, the CQC, lays bare just how severe

:09:05. > :09:11.People who should be getting adult social care,

:09:12. > :09:13.they are either not getting a service or they're presenting

:09:14. > :09:16.to the NHS, so we see accidents emergency attendances up,

:09:17. > :09:18.emergency referrals being up and particularly older people

:09:19. > :09:28.Today's report looks at the state of care across the health and social

:09:29. > :09:33.It highlights a 26% drop in the number of older people

:09:34. > :09:37.getting care from councils over the past four years.

:09:38. > :09:40.There are now around a million older people who have unmet care needs,

:09:41. > :09:42.and that's had an impact on busy hospitals.

:09:43. > :09:45.Two thirds of A units were judged to be inadequate or requiring

:09:46. > :09:53.I think it's not a surprise given the many constraints

:09:54. > :09:58.It's a warning signal, though, to those organisations

:09:59. > :10:01.and to the NHS, and if we didn't have CQC undertaking these

:10:02. > :10:03.inspections I think many of these problems

:10:04. > :10:04.that surfaced wouldn't have

:10:05. > :10:15.The report stresses there are examples of very good care

:10:16. > :10:19.Salford Royal is held up as one hospital that is coping well.

:10:20. > :10:22.But today's report makes clear that pressures on social care are having

:10:23. > :10:24.a serious effect on the system that is struggling.

:10:25. > :10:29.There are reports that at least four children have been killed

:10:30. > :10:30.in the government-held area of Aleppo after shells

:10:31. > :10:35.Syrian state news said the school in the western part of the city

:10:36. > :10:37.was targeted in what it described as a terrorist attack.

:10:38. > :10:39.Aleppo has been divided between government and rebel

:10:40. > :10:50.Donald Trump's campaign team has dismissed claims by two women that

:10:51. > :10:53.A spokesman for the Republican presidential candidate

:10:54. > :10:55.described the allegations, reported in the New York

:10:56. > :11:01.He accused the paper of reaching back decades in an attempt

:11:02. > :11:08.One of the women, Jessica Leeds, says she was on a flight

:11:09. > :11:10.when the alleged incident took place with Mr Trump.

:11:11. > :11:13.It was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands

:11:14. > :11:18.He started encroaching on my space and I hesitate to use this

:11:19. > :11:20.expression but I'm going to, and that is that he

:11:21. > :11:34.The Scottish National Party conference begins in Glasgow later.

:11:35. > :11:36.The UK's relationships with the EU is expected to take centre stage.

:11:37. > :11:39.The SNP leader, and Scotland's first minister, Nicola Sturgeon,

:11:40. > :11:42.will say her party will fight to ensure the UK remains part

:11:43. > :11:51.Hundreds of well wishers in Bangkok are holding a vigil outside

:11:52. > :11:55.The Thai king, who's 88, is the world's longest-reigning

:11:56. > :11:57.monarch and widely revered in the country and by

:11:58. > :12:03.He's spent much of the last year in hospital and is

:12:04. > :12:09.Palace officials say his health is not stable.

:12:10. > :12:11.Three wild elephants have been rescued in China

:12:12. > :12:15.Police had to break one side of the pound with a digger to free

:12:16. > :12:19.The elephants, which are protected animals in China, had been

:12:20. > :12:32.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30.

:12:33. > :12:38.Lot of you getting in touch on the row about the brands produced by

:12:39. > :12:41.Unilever and what is happening at Tesco, they are disappearing from

:12:42. > :12:46.the shelves because of the price war. Robert on Facebook, well done

:12:47. > :12:50.Tesco. Julie, there are lots of different types of Marmite and

:12:51. > :12:53.washing powder we can buy, well done Tesco. Terry, all companies will

:12:54. > :12:59.defend profits. Tesco will not sustain this position if footfall

:13:00. > :13:02.reduces. The dispute was generated by the referendum decision,

:13:03. > :13:03.whichever way you cut it, we live in a capitalist economy. Keep your

:13:04. > :13:08.thoughts coming in. Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE

:13:09. > :13:10.and if you text, you will be charged Tyson Fury announced he was giving

:13:11. > :13:26.up his heavyweight belts, why? He's admitted that he's unable

:13:27. > :13:28.to defend his titles, and so essentially has vacated

:13:29. > :13:31.the titles to allow other This the latest chapter in a whole

:13:32. > :13:35.timeline of negativity for Fury. You'll remember he did an interview

:13:36. > :13:37.with Rolling Stone magazine recently, where he admitted

:13:38. > :13:39.to taking cocaine to Fury said he decision was a hard

:13:40. > :13:44.and emotional one and wished future contenders the best of luck

:13:45. > :13:47.as he faces what he calls, another big challenge in his life,

:13:48. > :13:53.which he knows he will conquer. Could it be the end of his boxing

:13:54. > :13:58.career? It's possible, when you consider

:13:59. > :14:00.all that he has to contend with. He's already postponed his world

:14:01. > :14:02.heavyweight re-match with Vladimir Klitschko twice,

:14:03. > :14:05.due to mental health issues. So if he's unable to recover,

:14:06. > :14:07.it seems unlikely he'll Also, the British Boxing Board

:14:08. > :14:13.of Control, who govern the sport, will decide later today

:14:14. > :14:14.whether to remove And he faces an anti-doping hearing

:14:15. > :14:20.next month for allegedly The odds are stacked

:14:21. > :14:35.against him, certainly. What about Mick Lerry us, the bad

:14:36. > :14:37.boy of tennis, playing up to that role?

:14:38. > :14:42.This is a man, who 2 years ago, aged just 19 years old beat the then

:14:43. > :14:47.world number one Rafa Nadal at Wimbledon.

:14:48. > :14:50.Of course, he was then tipped as the next big thing in tennis.

:14:51. > :14:58.There've been a few incidents where pundits and fans

:14:59. > :14:59.have questioned Kyrios's attitude and behaviour.

:15:00. > :15:02.He's been accused of not trying to win matches, ranting at umpires,

:15:03. > :15:05.he's been fined by the tennis authorities for insulting his

:15:06. > :15:07.opponent Stan Vavrinka just last year.

:15:08. > :15:13.Midway through a point on his own service game,

:15:14. > :15:16.Essentially, handing the points to his opponent Mischa Zverev.

:15:17. > :15:19.He then had a few choice words to say to the umpire.

:15:20. > :15:21.What makes this behaviour all the more bizarre,

:15:22. > :15:23.is that he's actually been playing very well recently.

:15:24. > :15:26.He was on a 6-match unbeaten run before this tie,

:15:27. > :15:30.won the biggest title of his career the Japan Open recently

:15:31. > :15:32.just a few days ago, and has reached a career-high 14th

:15:33. > :15:37.He's had some heavy criticism thrown his way on social media,

:15:38. > :15:40.but he has apologised for the incident via his Twitter

:15:41. > :15:42.account saying, not good enough today on many levels.

:15:43. > :15:52.Seems he has a long way to go before he dispels that bad boy tag he has

:15:53. > :15:57.got. What is the right thing to say

:15:58. > :16:00.to someone who has lost a baby? We know we struggle to find

:16:01. > :16:03.the right words but this sometimes means things don't get

:16:04. > :16:05.talked about at all. Antoinette Sandbach is an MP

:16:06. > :16:08.who you may remember made a very emotional speech in parliament

:16:09. > :16:10.about her son who died at five days She, along with another MP

:16:11. > :16:15.Will Quince, will lead a debate later this morning in the House

:16:16. > :16:17.of Commons to highlight the need She made a film for this programme

:16:18. > :16:24.about the effects on a mother whose If you have young children

:16:25. > :16:29.in the room, please be aware we will be discussing

:16:30. > :16:30.this distressing subject Here's a reminder of

:16:31. > :17:07.Antoinette's story. I called the number

:17:08. > :17:10.for the Chrysalis charity And I owe a huge debt of gratitude

:17:11. > :17:19.to John from the Alder Centre at Alder Hey Hospital, as

:17:20. > :17:22.there was no counselling available I was overwhelmed by the response

:17:23. > :17:37.from members of the public and I wanted to go out and see what issues

:17:38. > :17:41.were facing other parents in I'm on my way to meet

:17:42. > :17:52.a Mum who lost her baby And to see what her experience

:17:53. > :18:00.was of bereavement care. The hospital were great,

:18:01. > :18:42.the day she passed away was amazing - they cleared the entire

:18:43. > :18:46.ward and brought a sofa in and she She, after that, we did a little

:18:47. > :18:53.footprint and cleaned her Yes, it was lovely,

:18:54. > :19:01.but as soon as we left the hospital there

:19:02. > :19:05.was nothing there. I rang an organisation

:19:06. > :19:08.who gave me five or six numbers of local

:19:09. > :19:12.charities and organisations to speak to and I rang them and every time

:19:13. > :19:18.I had to tell the story, which was painful, more than

:19:19. > :19:22.painful at that time. I had went through the story

:19:23. > :19:29.every time. coming downstairs and telling my

:19:30. > :19:35.family and just being mortified. I was so upset because

:19:36. > :19:38.I just needed the support very early and I was getting

:19:39. > :19:42.no, no, no because she was too old, too young, didn't die

:19:43. > :19:44.of the right thing. And in terms of the

:19:45. > :20:01.difference before you got professional counselling and

:20:02. > :20:03.afterwards, what kind of difference Well, it was huge,

:20:04. > :20:08.because Isabel died on the 3rd of January,

:20:09. > :20:10.I saw somebody the middle to the end of March

:20:11. > :20:13.and But in that period I

:20:14. > :20:18.didn't know what I was doing, I needed guidance,

:20:19. > :20:22.basically, how to do this. And soon as I saw her she had mapped

:20:23. > :20:25.it out like a structure and said,

:20:26. > :20:27.this is what you may feel and may not, I told

:20:28. > :20:29.her what I was feeling and she

:20:30. > :20:32.said that is normal, that is fine, and it

:20:33. > :20:34.was If only I had had that

:20:35. > :20:42.at the beginning, it was still a painful time,

:20:43. > :20:45.but that took the burden off a little bit because I could

:20:46. > :20:48.understand what I was feeling, she took made me understand

:20:49. > :20:51.what I was feeling. Isabel was very like

:20:52. > :20:55.Mark, my husband. Features the same, really,

:20:56. > :20:59.and Emily was very like me. I thought, he's definitely

:21:00. > :21:05.going to be on the Welsh rugby team. All those things

:21:06. > :21:12.are lovely memories. Let's talk to Antoinette Sandbach,

:21:13. > :21:26.one of the Conservative MPs who is launching today's debate,

:21:27. > :21:30.Chloe Nicholson, whose daughter Phoebe-Quinn

:21:31. > :21:33.was stillborn last month, and Ruth Ralhan who is pregnant

:21:34. > :21:45.with twin girls, but knows one Thank you all very much for coming

:21:46. > :21:52.in to talk about a very difficult subject. Antoinette, you have done

:21:53. > :21:56.an amazing thing, what you said about your own personal experience,

:21:57. > :22:02.and today it will be discussed in the Commons. We have got a three

:22:03. > :22:09.hour debate, which will be a cross-party debate, to talk all

:22:10. > :22:12.forms of child birth loss, and any MP can come along and talk about

:22:13. > :22:17.good practice and what is working and what is not working in their

:22:18. > :22:22.constituency, or their own experiences, or the experiences of

:22:23. > :22:25.their constituents. It is not the sort of thing that normally gets

:22:26. > :22:32.discussed in the Commons. Have you come across MPs who have had this

:22:33. > :22:39.experience? Patricia Gibson from the SNP had a debate on stillbirth quite

:22:40. > :22:43.recently. She lost her child to stillbirth and there are many MPs

:22:44. > :22:48.who have suffered child loss. Some of them want to talk about it and

:22:49. > :22:55.others do not. But we are part of the statistics and it is so common

:22:56. > :22:59.and we have set up an all-party group that is working to try and

:23:00. > :23:03.identify some of the causes and to call for prevention and we are

:23:04. > :23:08.trying to work with the Department of Health to reduce the numbers we

:23:09. > :23:14.are seeing. You are both going through it right now and, Ruth, you

:23:15. > :23:19.are 32 weeks pregnant and you know one of your babies will be

:23:20. > :23:29.stillborn. Chloe, a month ago you gave birth to a stillborn child. Why

:23:30. > :23:33.is it you want to talk about it? I think, firstly I am very proud to be

:23:34. > :23:38.her mother and I want to talk about her. Secondly, I have had a lot of

:23:39. > :23:41.people come to me and tell me they have been through it and they have

:23:42. > :23:49.had a miscarriage and I never even knew. You do not know they have lost

:23:50. > :23:56.children as well and it is so much more common than I ever realise,

:23:57. > :24:03.even throughout my pregnancy. There is a silence. Yes, definitely. I

:24:04. > :24:07.would hate to feel like that myself. There is a massive to do about

:24:08. > :24:13.talking about it and that is one of the reasons we are having the

:24:14. > :24:20.debate. We want to break that culture of silence around child

:24:21. > :24:26.loss. It is so important. Ruth, you are carrying twins and you know one

:24:27. > :24:32.of them will be stillborn. We were told very early on that with

:24:33. > :24:40.identical twins there is a bigger risk of things that I have never

:24:41. > :24:43.heard about before. You suddenly learn a lot more about it and early

:24:44. > :24:49.on we were told that one of them would not make it through the

:24:50. > :24:55.pregnancy. At 29 weeks they were still kicking and moving, so even

:24:56. > :24:59.though you are told it is still a shock. But you look pregnant and

:25:00. > :25:05.people naturally come and talk to you and ask how it is going. We have

:25:06. > :25:13.told people we are having twins and now I have had to say we are not

:25:14. > :25:19.that very hard. How did you come to terms with being able to have that

:25:20. > :25:23.conversation? It is so hard for you to deal with, it is so raw, and

:25:24. > :25:29.because you have been telling people about the pregnancy you are obliged

:25:30. > :25:34.to talk about it. You are obliged to talk about it and I told the guy at

:25:35. > :25:38.the Fish and chip shop who gives me extra portions because I am having

:25:39. > :25:44.twins and he keeps asking if I am all right. I say, yes, because I do

:25:45. > :25:48.not want to go into it at the Fish and chip shop. But I do want to talk

:25:49. > :25:53.about it because people will see me with a baby who will not know that I

:25:54. > :25:59.was pregnant with twins and they will assume that everything is fine

:26:00. > :26:03.and I will be grieving about my lost baby at the same time as trying to

:26:04. > :26:08.celebrate the fact I have a healthy baby. I do not know how I feel about

:26:09. > :26:13.that, so I do not know how other people expect me to Bill about it.

:26:14. > :26:17.Some days I can talk about it fine and on other days I do not want to

:26:18. > :26:21.talk about it at all. It is difficult for me to say how people

:26:22. > :26:28.should approach that because I do not know myself. There are thousands

:26:29. > :26:33.of mothers, twins, triplets, and others who are expecting many babies

:26:34. > :26:38.and who only end up with one or none. You have just gone through

:26:39. > :26:42.that very recently. Everybody knows you are pregnant and you give birth

:26:43. > :26:52.to a stillborn child and you cannot not talk about it. I was quite open.

:26:53. > :26:58.When I found out that the heart had stopped beating, I went into labour

:26:59. > :27:02.quite early on and there were friends and family and a lot of

:27:03. > :27:08.people messaging me sane, we have not heard from you for a while,

:27:09. > :27:14.shall we come and see you? I was quite open about it on my Facebook

:27:15. > :27:20.and about saying it. It was not the birth announcement I expected to

:27:21. > :27:24.make. But I am still glad I did it. From that I had a lot of people come

:27:25. > :27:33.forward who have also been through it in the same sense. How did people

:27:34. > :27:41.react? I have had a lot of support and people have not been friends

:27:42. > :27:48.with me on Facebook because of this. Because of this? Some people have

:27:49. > :27:52.wished me well and then because it is so awful they think they have got

:27:53. > :27:57.to block it out and ignore it and you must want to forget about it as

:27:58. > :28:04.well because of the situation. You are all nodding at that. That is

:28:05. > :28:07.very common. There was one member of Parliament who said her friends

:28:08. > :28:12.crossed the street because they did not know what to say to her, so they

:28:13. > :28:20.would walk away from her rather than talk to her about her experience of

:28:21. > :28:26.stillbirth. Did you experience that? I was living in rural North Wales,

:28:27. > :28:32.so I was quite isolated anyway. But it is very often saying, so sorry

:28:33. > :28:38.for your loss, or just saying, how are you? It then leaves the door

:28:39. > :28:43.open for you to either say, I am fine, which really means I do not

:28:44. > :28:48.want to talk about it, or to then go on and talk about it. That is where

:28:49. > :28:53.the professional support is so important. I am glad that both Ruth

:28:54. > :28:57.and Chloe have got bereavement are trained midwives because that is not

:28:58. > :29:02.a universal experience and it is something that can very much help

:29:03. > :29:07.parents. Is that literally as simple as you would both like the response

:29:08. > :29:13.to be from people? For people to say how are you and leave it for you to

:29:14. > :29:17.talk about it? I have had people on either extreme, one who said how

:29:18. > :29:22.awful it was and they went on to say how awful it was and then at the

:29:23. > :29:26.time I was doing OK as I did not want to feel awful, but normal and I

:29:27. > :29:30.just wanted to get on with life. Another one said, at least you have

:29:31. > :29:35.a healthy baby and you must be excited. I thought, I guess I must

:29:36. > :29:41.be excited, but I do not feel excited. I want the birth to happen,

:29:42. > :29:46.but I do not, because I want to meet the girls, but I do not want to

:29:47. > :29:50.accept that she has now gone. What would you say if somebody is

:29:51. > :29:56.watching and they want to know what to say? Nobody wants to upset

:29:57. > :30:00.somebody. You have to accept the fact that people will be upset and

:30:01. > :30:06.it is not you that is causing the upset, it is the situation. If they

:30:07. > :30:11.cry, it is OK for them to cry and not feel awful. There is no magic

:30:12. > :30:14.line, but it is being willing to talk about it, but also accepting

:30:15. > :30:21.that I might not want to talk about it. Saying something is better than

:30:22. > :30:25.saying nothing, that is for sure. Ignoring the fact someone has been

:30:26. > :30:31.through it, or the fact that they have had a child, it is better to

:30:32. > :30:36.say something. Something is best. Hopefully people watching at home

:30:37. > :30:40.will find everything you are saying very helpful to hear because people

:30:41. > :30:50.do not know what to say and we have had a tweet.

:30:51. > :30:56.It says it is brilliant that they are sharing their experiences. What

:30:57. > :31:04.kind of support have you had? A lot of support from the consultants,

:31:05. > :31:07.they have been brilliant. They are twin specialists. Unfortunately,

:31:08. > :31:11.they are very used to dealing with this in their work. They prepared me

:31:12. > :31:15.for a long time. They offered me to meet the bereavement midwife in

:31:16. > :31:19.advance of the birth, so we can plan making memories. They also warned me

:31:20. > :31:25.what to expect, things like taking footprints and photos may not be as

:31:26. > :31:31.nice, because my baby passed away at 29 weeks, if she was born then, she

:31:32. > :31:36.would look different to how she would add 38 weeks because of how

:31:37. > :31:41.things are in the womb. They offer me cancelling and they have offered

:31:42. > :31:47.me support as well. They have been fantastic. Chloe, you have gone

:31:48. > :31:57.through it so very recently, what would you say to Ruth? Use the

:31:58. > :32:06.bereavement midwifes, charities, use everything you can. Memories,

:32:07. > :32:11.definitely. However awful a moment it is, it is still a beautiful

:32:12. > :32:17.moment, you still get to meet your baby, see them, you get to touch and

:32:18. > :32:22.hold them. That is so special. Those memories mean a lot. I'm quite lucky

:32:23. > :32:26.to have a bereavement midwife and things in place to help, to make the

:32:27. > :32:33.memories. Get as many as you can, take photos. That is all you can do.

:32:34. > :32:39.I think it is really encouraging that you have had that support of a

:32:40. > :32:44.bereavement midwife. It is good to hear you talking about the

:32:45. > :32:50.consultants. There is a lot of good practice out there. It is absolutely

:32:51. > :32:58.vital that good practice is shared in other hospitals, so mums and dads

:32:59. > :33:03.are not left to fend for themselves. That is happening in some cases. A

:33:04. > :33:10.tweet saying, three incredibly courageous women, love to you all.

:33:11. > :33:15.Another, amazing women talking about baby loss, such strength. Another,

:33:16. > :33:23.so emotional, brave women, we must make it OK to talk about it so

:33:24. > :33:26.parents can be supported. From Colin, excellent discussion from

:33:27. > :33:34.Antoinette and those brave women about infant death and bereavement.

:33:35. > :33:40.Still to come, Boris Johnson quizzed on Syria and Brexit by MPs on the

:33:41. > :33:46.Foreign Affairs Committee. He insists that Britain is leaving the

:33:47. > :33:52.EU, not Europe. And we speak to Tom Howard, director of Inferno, who has

:33:53. > :33:56.some choice things to say about Donald Trump. That wasn't a locker

:33:57. > :33:57.room, he had a microphone on. Do you want somebody that will make those

:33:58. > :34:05.kinds of errors? Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom

:34:06. > :34:17.with a summary of todays news. Tesco is running down stocks of

:34:18. > :34:20.household items like Flora and PG Tips, because it is refusing to pay

:34:21. > :34:25.the higher prices demanded by the supplier.

:34:26. > :34:29.Unilever is believed to have blamed price hikes of around ten per cent

:34:30. > :34:33.The company is being accused by some MPs of using Brexit as an excuse

:34:34. > :34:42.A High Court case begins today to settle whether the Government

:34:43. > :34:44.needs Parliament's approval for Britain's exit

:34:45. > :34:47.The case is being brought by a businesswoman, Gina Miller,

:34:48. > :34:52.Ministers argue they can act under ancient powers of Royal Prerogative.

:34:53. > :34:54.It's reported that at least four children have been killed

:34:55. > :34:57.in the Syrian city of Aleppo, after shells landed near a school.

:34:58. > :34:59.It happened in a government-held district of the city.

:35:00. > :35:02.Syria state news said the area was targeted in a terrorist attack.

:35:03. > :35:04.Aleppo has been divided between government and rebel

:35:05. > :35:13.The last few minutes, Boris Johnson has been speaking about the

:35:14. > :35:16.possibility of further Western intervention in Syria. He told the

:35:17. > :35:21.Foreign Affairs Committee of MPs that it is vital not to raise false

:35:22. > :35:24.hopes around the idea of implementing a no-fly zone. At this

:35:25. > :35:29.stage it is vital we do not raise false hopes. We know the

:35:30. > :35:35.difficulties and implications of a no-fly zone or no bombing zone. No

:35:36. > :35:44.matter how easy the concept may sometimes be made to sound, if there

:35:45. > :35:50.is more we can reasonably and practically do, together with our

:35:51. > :35:51.allies, of course we should consider those measures and believe me that

:35:52. > :35:53.work is now going on. The company at the centre

:35:54. > :35:56.of a scandal which saw many people's tax credits incorrectly stopped,

:35:57. > :35:59.is due to speak publicly Executives for the American firm

:36:00. > :36:20.Concentrix, which was employed to stop wrongful claims will be

:36:21. > :36:22.giving evidence But last month the Victoria

:36:23. > :36:25.Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

:36:26. > :36:27.were having their money Here are the sport

:36:28. > :36:36.headlines with Jessica. Just hearing that Jessica Ennis-Hill

:36:37. > :36:40.is announcing her retirement. Yes, the last few minutes, the heptathlon

:36:41. > :36:44.gold medallist has announced her retirement from the sport. She

:36:45. > :36:50.followed her success at London 2012 with a silver medal in Rio. She said

:36:51. > :36:55.she wanted to leave the sport on a high and has no regrets. Tyson Fury

:36:56. > :36:59.has relinquished his titles to recover from his mental health

:37:00. > :37:03.issues. He recently admitted to using cocaine to deal with

:37:04. > :37:08.depression. He twice postponed his rematch with Vladimir Klitschko. Ben

:37:09. > :37:12.Stokes says England can become the best one-day side in the world

:37:13. > :37:13.Laughter Day won the series against Bangladesh. They took the decider by

:37:14. > :37:20.four wickets. Manchester City's Women

:37:21. > :37:22.are through to the last 16 of the Champions League,

:37:23. > :37:29.after they beat Russian side, Zvezda 4-0 yesterday,

:37:30. > :37:31.Jennifer Beattie with the pick of the goals as they won

:37:32. > :37:33.the tie 6-nil overall. Chelsea and Hibs were both knocked

:37:34. > :37:42.out. Andy Murray won in straight sets in

:37:43. > :37:48.the Masters. Kyle Edmund is out. He lost to Stan Wawrinka. Johanna Konta

:37:49. > :37:52.has pulled out of the Hong Kong open through injury. She had been hoping

:37:53. > :37:53.to earn more points towards the season-ending finals in Singapore,

:37:54. > :37:57.but suffered an abdominal strain. Coming up: We'll speak

:37:58. > :37:59.to a man who was rescued from the Indian Ocean after twenty

:38:00. > :38:07.nine hours in shark infested waters. On Tuesday the foreign secretary

:38:08. > :38:11.Boris Johnson called on people to protest outside

:38:12. > :38:13.the Russian Embassy in London against the bombings

:38:14. > :38:17.on the Syrian city, Aleppo. This morning he's being quizzed

:38:18. > :38:20.by MPs on the Foreign Affairs Committee and it's

:38:21. > :38:21.thought the situation in Syria and relations with Russia,

:38:22. > :38:36.will both be on their agenda. In opening remarks, he said Britain

:38:37. > :38:40.could control borders and be open to skilled labour. It's vital to

:38:41. > :38:46.understand what Brexit is and what it is not. Yes, it means restoring

:38:47. > :38:52.democracy and control of laws, and borders, and a fair bit of cash, but

:38:53. > :38:56.Brexit is emphatically not any kind of mandate for this country to turn

:38:57. > :39:02.in on itself, to haul up the drawbridge or to detach itself from

:39:03. > :39:07.the international community. I know, as a former Mayor this city, how

:39:08. > :39:14.vastly our capital and whole economy has profited from London's role, the

:39:15. > :39:21.UK's role, as a lodestar and magnet for talent. I believe there is no

:39:22. > :39:24.inconsistency whatsoever between the desire to take back control of

:39:25. > :39:31.borders and the need to be open to skills from around the world. There

:39:32. > :39:37.is absolutely no consistency between ending the supremacy of EU law in

:39:38. > :39:41.this country, as we will, and being a major contributor to the security

:39:42. > :39:47.and stability, and economic prosperity of the whole European

:39:48. > :39:54.region. We are leaving the EU, we are not leaving Europe. Here still

:39:55. > :39:58.being questioned now. Let's listen in. I don't want to get into what we

:39:59. > :40:07.call running commentary about negotiations. I think we can do a

:40:08. > :40:14.great deal that will deliver a result in both goods and services

:40:15. > :40:17.for our businesses and for our friends... You would not disagree

:40:18. > :40:23.with your fellow Secretary of State in saying that the WTO holds no

:40:24. > :40:28.fear? Well, as I said, it would be getting into the minutiae of

:40:29. > :40:35.negotiations. I think there will be a great deal done. EU division,

:40:36. > :40:39.something we are not picking up on, what is your take? Quite

:40:40. > :40:46.understandably, the spotlight is on our negotiating position. If you

:40:47. > :40:49.look across the EU, it is quite an interesting situation. You seem to

:40:50. > :40:53.have a growing split between the ideologists within the European

:40:54. > :41:04.Commission and elected politicians who realise that trade, in their

:41:05. > :41:09.favour, playing hardball might not be in their best interests. What can

:41:10. > :41:15.you tell us about that situation? I understand that point, I have heard

:41:16. > :41:19.it a lot. It's important... I haven't actually tested the

:41:20. > :41:22.proposition yet with some of the key commission people, but my impression

:41:23. > :41:29.is that they are faithful servants of Europe, of the EU. They will

:41:30. > :41:36.ultimately do what they consider to be in the best interests of the

:41:37. > :41:44.entire union. I think that will be a deal that is beneficial to the

:41:45. > :41:51.electorates of the people of Europe. A certain amount of plaster has come

:41:52. > :41:55.off since the vote. Of course, people feel they have a project.

:41:56. > :42:00.There was a fascinating article in the Financial Times by the French

:42:01. > :42:05.Prime Minister, he showed why we were so right about to leave. He

:42:06. > :42:09.very emphatically have this vision of a United States of Europe, a

:42:10. > :42:17.federal system, with very defined boundaries. It's not ideal to which

:42:18. > :42:27.I think the British people really aspire. I think we did the right

:42:28. > :42:30.thing and we can make it work. Do you think, a few years out, no

:42:31. > :42:35.longer will they have to contend with those awkward Brits, the thorn

:42:36. > :42:39.in their side, as they march towards closer political union, that could

:42:40. > :42:43.make for a fresh relationship? I am so glad you speak in those terms. I

:42:44. > :42:46.think Europe is at its best when it is positive about the work it is

:42:47. > :42:50.engaged on, it set itself a deadline. I think we should view the

:42:51. > :43:03.Brexit process as a positive thing. We are sorting out the problem. It

:43:04. > :43:14.has been a problem for decades. That was the basic moment of diversions.

:43:15. > :43:25.All else flows from that. What we saw on June the 23rd the logical

:43:26. > :43:29.conclusion of that die -- divergence, the drift away from a

:43:30. > :43:33.ideal, articulated by the French Prime Minister this morning. We

:43:34. > :43:39.don't want to be part of such a construct. We have always made it

:43:40. > :43:43.clear, it is already very tense. We say, we don't agree with closer

:43:44. > :43:48.integration, we don't agree with the jurisdiction of the European Court

:43:49. > :43:51.of Justice over this and that, we have been the backmarkers. To a

:43:52. > :43:58.certain extent, there are some other countries that have shielded their

:43:59. > :44:05.own apprehensions behind us. But it is up to them now to get on and take

:44:06. > :44:10.the thing forward. Let's go to Norman Smith, watching this morning.

:44:11. > :44:16.Anything we didn't know before that he has said so far? I thought what

:44:17. > :44:20.was interesting was the tone of Boris Johnson. Very confident,

:44:21. > :44:25.trying to put the best possible outlook on Brexit. In a way, that is

:44:26. > :44:31.why, I think, Theresa May put him in the Foreign Office. She wanted

:44:32. > :44:34.someone there that would go out into the world, a big, charismatic

:44:35. > :44:39.figure, a big personality, that could sell Brexit to the rest of the

:44:40. > :44:42.world. Listening to Boris Johnson, saying that the referendum didn't

:44:43. > :44:46.mean we would turn in on ourselves, there is no contradiction between

:44:47. > :44:51.having control of borders and still being an outward, positive,

:44:52. > :45:00.welcoming country. Also saying to those who one MP called the

:45:01. > :45:08.Remoaners, those unhappy about Brexit, he said a lot of doom and

:45:09. > :45:12.gloom has not happened, he said in time we would feel the benefits. In

:45:13. > :45:16.terms of the detail, we didn't get much more on the single market,

:45:17. > :45:20.Boris Johnson saying that we will try to negotiate the best access

:45:21. > :45:24.that we can. But other countries in the EU want to get a good deal as

:45:25. > :45:28.well. In other words, it's in their interests to keep trading with us.

:45:29. > :45:33.On free movement, again, not much detail. He said free movement is not

:45:34. > :45:36.carved in tablets of stone. Interesting thing, namely the tone.

:45:37. > :45:42.Thank you very much. Boxer Tyson Fury has vacated his WBO

:45:43. > :45:45.and WBA World heavyweight titles, to focus on "medical

:45:46. > :45:47.treatment and recovery". Fury has admitted to taking cocaine

:45:48. > :45:49.to deal with depression and he could still lose

:45:50. > :45:53.his boxing licence. Yesterday we were joined

:45:54. > :45:56.in the studio by the WBO Middleweight World Champion Billy

:45:57. > :46:10.Joe Saunders who is good What is your reaction now he has

:46:11. > :46:17.given up his belts? He has done the right thing. Clearly not in the

:46:18. > :46:24.right state of mind to do anyway, so he has done the right thing. It has

:46:25. > :46:32.freed him up to free his mind because at the moment there is a lot

:46:33. > :46:36.going on, so he has resolved the issue of the bout and he needs to

:46:37. > :46:42.resolve his boxing licence now. How hard would it have been for him to

:46:43. > :46:56.do this? I am a world champion and I can speak for him. We work all of

:46:57. > :47:01.our lives, day in, day out, night, morning, 24/7, to be world champion.

:47:02. > :47:05.For him to have given them up without being beaten by a better man

:47:06. > :47:16.will have been one of the hardest decisions he will have made,

:47:17. > :47:20.especially at this time. You has spoken of your fears for him now

:47:21. > :47:28.that he has done this. What do you feel now? I think this will relieve

:47:29. > :47:35.a bit of pressure off him. People will know nobody is the heavyweight

:47:36. > :47:41.champion of the world unless they have beaten Tyson Fury. I am happy

:47:42. > :47:49.for him that he has done that because he has shown that he has not

:47:50. > :47:53.shown any one else's boxing light up and he is cracking on with it and he

:47:54. > :47:57.needs to get medical help, which is what he is doing. He will be

:47:58. > :48:01.heavyweight champion again if he does not lose his licence in the

:48:02. > :48:08.next year or so. We will have to see what unfolds. Thank you for joining

:48:09. > :48:12.us. Breaking news to bring you about the number of religiously aggravated

:48:13. > :48:17.crimes recorded by police in England and Wales. They jumped sharply

:48:18. > :48:24.following the EU referendum and they were up by 41% in July of this year

:48:25. > :48:28.compared to July of last year. It is new Home Office figures. That is a

:48:29. > :48:33.very significant increase, 41% higher this year compared to a year

:48:34. > :48:39.ago. We will bring your reaction to that a little bit later.

:48:40. > :48:42.A self-serving gas bag - that's what Ron Howard calls

:48:43. > :48:44.Donald Trump in an exclusive interview with this programme.

:48:45. > :48:46.Ron is the director of Inferno, a block-buster action film

:48:47. > :48:48.starring Tom Hanks that's being released tomorrow.

:48:49. > :48:51.It's the last in the trilogy that started with the Da Vinci Code

:48:52. > :48:54.and centres around one man's plans to release a plague as a solution

:48:55. > :48:58.Well, I caught up with Ron yesterday to discuss some of the biggest

:48:59. > :49:01.issues facing America right now - from racism to the likelihood

:49:02. > :49:05.We'll have the full interview in a moment, but first let's take

:49:06. > :49:07.a look at a dramatic scene from the film.

:49:08. > :50:02.It is the third in the trilogy, are you pleased with it?

:50:03. > :50:05.I am pleased with it and I think I took it on, because we

:50:06. > :50:07.aren't under contract to do these, you know?

:50:08. > :50:12.But Tom was very excited about the fact that the character

:50:13. > :50:15.was under duress and we are learning a little bit more about the Langdon

:50:16. > :50:23.Was I given an injection?

:50:24. > :50:32.No, you insisted anything you got came through the IV.

:50:33. > :50:43.And something was injected into my bloodstream and now I'm

:50:44. > :50:47.showing signs of illness.

:50:48. > :51:01.I like the fact you don't have to have seen the previous movies

:51:02. > :51:03.to appreciate these, they're a little bit more

:51:04. > :51:11.But the fact that this crisis, which deals with overpopulation

:51:12. > :51:15.and sort of an act of fanatical terrorism as one person's idea

:51:16. > :51:20.of what the solution should be does not exist in the past,

:51:21. > :51:24.it isn't theological, not philosophical, it is far more

:51:25. > :51:29.concrete, and these are things we've all thought about.

:51:30. > :51:32.That, for me as a director, differentiated

:51:33. > :51:39.Because it suggested a more modern thriller.

:51:40. > :51:42.A different kind of pace, the fact that Robert Langdon

:51:43. > :51:48.It also suggested another kind of tension, it's a little more based

:51:49. > :51:55.When Hans Zimmer, the composer of the movie, who did the previous

:51:56. > :51:58.two and I've worked with many times, saw the movie, he said between this

:51:59. > :52:03.Dante hellish imagery you've got and Robert Langdon's state of mind

:52:04. > :52:06.and this kind of energy you've given it, it needs to be

:52:07. > :52:12.So the whole thing has evolved in a way that our test audiences

:52:13. > :52:17.are really enjoying and it was fun and fresh for me to work with.

:52:18. > :52:21.One thing I was struck by was that Tom Hanks' love interest is an older

:52:22. > :52:26.woman who looks natural, doesn't appear to have had lots of work.

:52:27. > :52:31.In Hollywood, it feels quite an unusual thing?

:52:32. > :52:43.It made perfect sense to the studio and David Koepp, the screenwriter.

:52:44. > :52:49.And you do gain some insight into Robert Langdon's past,

:52:50. > :52:55.his emotional side, and one of the things I like about these

:52:56. > :53:00.Dan Brown stories is that they are big, intense,

:53:01. > :53:03.they are meant to be fun, they are audience movies,

:53:04. > :53:13.But, it isn't a wink and a nod, it isn't satirical, you are asked

:53:14. > :53:17.to invest in it and go with it, and that begins with Tom Hanks

:53:18. > :53:21.as a real person and not a kind of superhero.

:53:22. > :53:26.And so the fact we could delve more deeply into what makes him tick,

:53:27. > :53:30.what he might feel emotionally, past and present, was, I thought,

:53:31. > :53:34.pretty helpful and also in its own way makes the movie

:53:35. > :53:38.a little more suspenseful because you are engaged

:53:39. > :53:47.You've been very outspoken and said what you think

:53:48. > :53:54.I guess, I don't know if I've actually said that I routinely

:53:55. > :53:58.characterise him as a self-serving gasbag - that is an American

:53:59. > :54:06.He has been successful over the years and I've met him,

:54:07. > :54:09.I've had conversations with him, he is a great self promoter.

:54:10. > :54:12.That is what he does, he's built that brand and I don't

:54:13. > :54:17.think that, for me as a voter, I don't think that suggests great

:54:18. > :54:27.I think he is selling us the public what he thinks a segment of us

:54:28. > :54:30.want to here almost like he is promoting next

:54:31. > :54:39.I don't think he is prepared to do the job, whereas I think

:54:40. > :54:42.Hillary Clinton has been preparing for this all of her life and has

:54:43. > :54:49.the commitment and the experience to take on the very conjugated

:54:50. > :54:53.job of being the leader of a major nation.

:54:54. > :54:59.I think he would be overwhelmed and become a kind of puppet

:55:00. > :55:01.or he would push back and make mistakes.

:55:02. > :55:09.I do believe in professionalism in the role of Government leadership.

:55:10. > :55:14.His comments about women have been disrespectful, how do you see that

:55:15. > :55:18.and would you describe yourself as a feminist?

:55:19. > :55:21.I would describe myself as a feminist and because I have

:55:22. > :55:24.three daughters and a long marriage, I respect the women of my life,

:55:25. > :55:27.they're very important, does that mean any of us guys

:55:28. > :55:36.When he says locker room talk, I get that, but that wasn't a

:55:37. > :55:42.Do you want somebody who is going to make

:55:43. > :55:52.I thought it was rude on a lot of levels.

:55:53. > :55:56.Women in Hollywood, I mentioned Tom Hanks's love interest

:55:57. > :56:01.in your movie being an older women, is there an issue in Hollywood

:56:02. > :56:05.with what happens to women's careers beyond a certain point?

:56:06. > :56:10.It is a pattern and as people think about it, it is a question of taste

:56:11. > :56:31.It's the question of the fantasy of storytelling and what people

:56:32. > :56:37.All of these decisions are really driven by the marketplace

:56:38. > :56:42.And they tell executives and creative people what they prefer

:56:43. > :56:48.It is important to make it an issue and speak about it and suggest other

:56:49. > :56:51.possibilities and creative individuals and companies

:56:52. > :56:58.Maggie Gyllenhaal said last year when she was 37 she was turned down

:56:59. > :57:02.for the role as the love interest for 55-year-old man because she was

:57:03. > :57:09.I don't know what movie that was or what project, she is

:57:10. > :57:16.Do you think the 37-year-old woman is too young to be a love interest?

:57:17. > :57:18.Not so much for me, but my sensibilities might be

:57:19. > :57:21.a little different than that group of film makers.

:57:22. > :57:26.I will admit I've made films, it's been years now,

:57:27. > :57:29.but I won't say, which film, which group of actors,

:57:30. > :57:34.but literally in the focus group where you show your movie and people

:57:35. > :57:42.speak about it, many females in many screenings were complaining

:57:43. > :57:47.that they thought the leading lady was too old for the leading man,

:57:48. > :57:52.so they were the ones raising their hands, no guys.

:57:53. > :57:56.Again, that is where I get back to the fact that viewers,

:57:57. > :58:00.they define a lot of this for the studio executives

:58:01. > :58:07.The Oscars this year will be remembered for the #OscarsSoWhite.

:58:08. > :58:10.How much of a responsibility do you as a director have in terms

:58:11. > :58:15.of casting and changing things going forward,

:58:16. > :58:19.whether it is an issue of colour or equality?

:58:20. > :58:23.I think it's very important, again, I think it's very important

:58:24. > :58:33.that taste and sensibilities of all, that everyone's mind and sensibility

:58:34. > :58:37.is broadened, and I think that pressure is a very

:58:38. > :58:48.Are you saying audiences aren't quite ready?

:58:49. > :58:50.I'm saying it's important audiences and the media,

:58:51. > :58:53.that they begin to say, hey, we aren't getting enough

:58:54. > :58:55.of this, women don't look like themselves,

:58:56. > :58:59.how come we don't see more people of colour or the same kind

:59:00. > :59:08.And studio executives, film-makers who been going maybe

:59:09. > :59:18.narrowly down one cycle path might cure that and say, that is right.

:59:19. > :59:21.narrowly down one cycle path might hear that and say, that is right.

:59:22. > :59:25.Inferno is released this Friday and you can watch my

:59:26. > :59:31.interview again on the BBC Victoria Derbyshire web page.

:59:32. > :59:47.yes, it is in the sea close to Bermuda. It started off life as a

:59:48. > :59:54.tropical storm and it was upgraded to a category two status and then it

:59:55. > :00:00.was downgraded and then it was graded up from a category two to a

:00:01. > :00:09.category four. That is a major hurricane. We are looking at some

:00:10. > :00:15.storm surge. Sorry, we have lost the graphics. It will be tracking

:00:16. > :00:22.steadily northwards. What you will find is it will start to die. I am

:00:23. > :00:26.asked, will it affect the UK? At the moment we do not expected to, but it

:00:27. > :00:31.is something we are watching. If it does, it will be a completely

:00:32. > :00:35.different entity to what we are looking at at the moment. There is

:00:36. > :00:40.its track as we head towards the weekend. In the UK we have had some

:00:41. > :00:46.showers in Easton, Western and southern parts of the UK. Some of

:00:47. > :00:58.them have been heavy. They will tend to fade in the south, particularly

:00:59. > :01:00.the south-east. They will intensify in northern England, eastern parts

:01:01. > :01:03.of Northern Ireland and southern Scotland. Here they are likely to be

:01:04. > :01:06.thundery as well. As we head on into the afternoon, western Scotland,

:01:07. > :01:11.western powers of Northern Ireland, they will see the lion's share of

:01:12. > :01:16.the rain. All those showers are packing a punch in Central and

:01:17. > :01:20.eastern Scotland and northern England. In between there will be

:01:21. > :01:26.some bright sunshine. There will be the odd shower in North Wales and

:01:27. > :01:33.into south-west England. In central and eastern areas it is a dry

:01:34. > :01:38.storage. In eastern areas it will feel cool, but the temperatures are

:01:39. > :01:41.not high anyway. Overnight we will have showers across the Highlands

:01:42. > :01:47.and the Grampians and in northern England and eastern Northern

:01:48. > :01:52.Ireland. The winds will be a feature in the north-east. In the rest of

:01:53. > :01:56.England and Wales we are looking at cloudy skies with some breaks. It

:01:57. > :02:02.will be cool first thing in the morning. Tomorrow we hang the rain

:02:03. > :02:07.with strong winds, touching gale force. Some showers coming in on an

:02:08. > :02:11.easterly breeze and drifting towards the West. Further south it is a

:02:12. > :02:15.drier picture with sunshine and of 15. That will feel a bit nippy if

:02:16. > :02:22.you are exposed to it. Welcome to the programme

:02:23. > :02:28.if you've just joined us. Brexit blamed

:02:29. > :02:32.for ruining breakfast - stocks of Marmite and other goods

:02:33. > :02:35.are running low as a price war breaks out between Tesco

:02:36. > :02:40.and the manufacturer. 100,000 men in the UK regularly

:02:41. > :02:42.access indecent images of children online -

:02:43. > :02:45.one charity tells us they've had thousands of offenders getting

:02:46. > :02:47.in touch in the past year Sharks, storms and killer seagulls -

:02:48. > :02:59.we hear from a man who spent a day and a night, alone, treading water

:03:00. > :03:05.in the middle of the Indian Ocean. I'm not religious, but that guy was

:03:06. > :03:17.looking after me. Now to the BBC Newsroom

:03:18. > :03:19.with a summary of today's news. The supermarket giant Tesco

:03:20. > :03:22.is running down stocks of dozens of household items such as Marmite,

:03:23. > :03:25.Flora and PG Tips, because it's refusing to pay the higher prices

:03:26. > :03:35.demanded by their supplier. Unilever is believed to have blamed

:03:36. > :03:37.price hikes of around 10% The company is being accused by some

:03:38. > :03:44.MPs of using Brexit as an excuse A High Court case begins today

:03:45. > :03:49.to settle whether the Government needs Parliament's approval

:03:50. > :03:51.for Britain's exit The case is being brought

:03:52. > :03:54.by a businesswoman, Gina Miller, Ministers argue they can act under

:03:55. > :03:59.ancient powers of Royal Prerogative. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

:04:00. > :04:01.has been speaking about the possibility of further western

:04:02. > :04:08.intervention in Syria. He said there were many countries

:04:09. > :04:12.already selling into the single market and Britain would do the

:04:13. > :04:17.same. He insisted people should be reassured about the future. Those

:04:18. > :04:20.that proper sized doom before the referendum have been proven wrong. I

:04:21. > :04:27.think they will continue to be proved wrong. I think it will take

:04:28. > :04:32.time for the full benefits of Brexit to appear, because, after all, we

:04:33. > :04:34.haven't even begun the process of leaving. The whole thing is really

:04:35. > :04:37.very artificial and speculative. The number of racially

:04:38. > :04:39.or religiously aggravated crimes recorded by police in England

:04:40. > :04:41.and Wales has jumped sharply Home office figures show these sorts

:04:42. > :04:47.of crimes rose by 41% in July 2016 The number of hate crimes

:04:48. > :04:54.for the same period were up 19 It's reported that at least four

:04:55. > :05:03.children have been killed in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

:05:04. > :05:06.after shells landed near a school. It happened in a government-held

:05:07. > :05:08.district of the city. Syria state news said the area

:05:09. > :05:11.was targeted in a terrorist attack. Aleppo has been divided

:05:12. > :05:13.between government and rebel The company at the centre

:05:14. > :05:18.of a scandal which saw so many people's tax credits incorrectly

:05:19. > :05:20.stopped is due to speak publicly for the first time this morning -

:05:21. > :05:23.when it gives evidence The American firm Concentrix

:05:24. > :05:28.was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

:05:29. > :05:31.by finding and stopping But last month the Victoria

:05:32. > :05:34.Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

:05:35. > :05:36.were having their money Donald Trump's campaign team has

:05:37. > :05:42.dismissed claims by two women that A spokesman for the Republican

:05:43. > :05:47.presidential candidate described the allegations,

:05:48. > :05:49.reported in the New York He accused the paper of reaching

:05:50. > :05:54.back decades in an attempt That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:55. > :06:12.News - more at 10.30. A of you getting in touch on the

:06:13. > :06:17.discussion we had earlier, that MPs in Parliament be talking about the

:06:18. > :06:22.loss of babies after one MP in particular suffered the loss of her

:06:23. > :06:27.own and has been bringing the issue to the Commons. We spoke earlier to

:06:28. > :06:32.her and a couple of women going through it. One tweet, I cannot

:06:33. > :06:39.imagine their loss, still so strong and inspiring. An anonymous text,

:06:40. > :06:43.what brave women, sitting in tears listening to them. So strong. As a

:06:44. > :06:47.mother of twins, it plucks up my heartstrings to hear of the tragedy

:06:48. > :06:51.some had to endure and makes me feel so lucky I didn't have too. I wanted

:06:52. > :06:58.to hug them all. Hope they get the support they need. Get in touch. If

:06:59. > :07:02.you text, you will be charged up the standard network rate.

:07:03. > :07:06.In the past hour, Britain's Olympic heptathlon gold medallist

:07:07. > :07:08.Jessica Ennis Hill has announced her retirement.

:07:09. > :07:10.She followed up her London 2012 success with a silver

:07:11. > :07:18.We have Brendon Foster on the line, a former British long distance

:07:19. > :07:33.Good morning, thanks for joining us. What a career she has had, winning

:07:34. > :07:36.medals on the world stage since the Commonwealth Games, how do you think

:07:37. > :07:43.she will be remembered? As one of the all-time greats. Particularly

:07:44. > :07:48.because of the 2012 games in London and, more importantly, because she

:07:49. > :07:50.carried so much in the weight of public expectation, she was the

:07:51. > :07:56.poster girl for 2012, her pictures were everywhere. Everybody was using

:07:57. > :08:04.her in terms of promoting the games, come and watch Jessica win a gold

:08:05. > :08:10.medal. The chairman of the organising committee said he wanted

:08:11. > :08:14.her to do the women's heptathlon, hoping another athlete from

:08:15. > :08:18.Sheffield would win the gold medal, and it was Jessica. It was a

:08:19. > :08:22.wonderful performance. One of the great performances of the whole

:08:23. > :08:28.games. It was memorable in every sense. I think the way Jessica

:08:29. > :08:36.perform that day, leading in the 800 metres, running conservatively to

:08:37. > :08:43.win a collective medal, but she decided to do it in style, arms

:08:44. > :08:47.aloft like a true 800 metre runner. One of the memories of the Olympic

:08:48. > :08:51.Games, for me, the defining moment for Jessica Ennis and it will never

:08:52. > :08:55.be forgotten, it will go in history books. It will be talked about time

:08:56. > :09:00.and time again. She was literally one of the all-time greats. As you

:09:01. > :09:04.alluded to, she is one Briton 's most successful athletes. Do you

:09:05. > :09:09.think the team will almost miss her, the authorities will be worried that

:09:10. > :09:12.she is not there to attract all this attention from the media? I think

:09:13. > :09:20.that is absolutely right. I was disappointed when I heard the news.

:09:21. > :09:24.I was not surprised, she has other things to do, she has given

:09:25. > :09:28.athletics a fantastic service. The way that she conducted herself, she

:09:29. > :09:40.has been engaging, she has been so popular with the rest of the team.

:09:41. > :09:51.She has been a huge role model for women's sport. She has been a real

:09:52. > :09:53.figurehead for British athletics. The way she conducts herself, the

:09:54. > :10:01.way she is professional about training, always prepared to give up

:10:02. > :10:05.her time and her personal story, always engaging in interviews. I

:10:06. > :10:09.think she is a real role model. I think she will be missed. I think

:10:10. > :10:13.the sport will miss her, I think the fans will miss her. London 2017 will

:10:14. > :10:20.definitely miss her. Hopefully there is some formula, with her involved

:10:21. > :10:23.in the sport, because she is such a great asset. Thank you very much for

:10:24. > :10:28.joining us. Back to you. The value of shares in both Tesco

:10:29. > :10:31.and Unilever have fallen in morning trading -

:10:32. > :10:33.as the city responds to the price dispute between

:10:34. > :10:42.the retailer and manufacturer. The row - which began after Unilever

:10:43. > :10:45.tried to impose a 10% increase in wholesale prices -

:10:46. > :10:47.has left the supermarket running low on dozens of well known brands such

:10:48. > :10:50.as Marmite and Persil. A Unilever spokesman says

:10:51. > :10:52.it's facing higher costs Teresa Wickham is a former Director

:10:53. > :11:01.at Safeway supermarket and representing the manufacturers

:11:02. > :11:13.we're joined by Ian Wright Is Tesco putting itself forward as

:11:14. > :11:17.the consumer champion here? Well, what has happened is that this has

:11:18. > :11:22.got out and it was not Tesco or Unilever that leaked it, it was a

:11:23. > :11:28.sharp eyed journalist. Negotiations go on the whole time, people try to

:11:29. > :11:32.put the price of something else, usually done behind the scenes. Now

:11:33. > :11:37.it has become public, Tesco has an opportunity to say it is a consumer

:11:38. > :11:41.champion. But I think Unilever will be talking to other retailers as

:11:42. > :11:46.well. This is not surprising. There is pressure out there. Food and

:11:47. > :11:50.drink is now cheaper than we have probably ever had it. Normally,

:11:51. > :12:00.these discussions are conducted behind the scenes. This one, I would

:12:01. > :12:07.term it a real battle of the giants. Is this going on with all

:12:08. > :12:11.supermarkets? Not necessarily. There is always argy-bargy between

:12:12. > :12:17.suppliers and retailers about price. What is unusual is for it to get

:12:18. > :12:22.into the public realm like this. The supermarkets were engaged in a price

:12:23. > :12:30.war, they have been for some time. They will be extremely unwilling to

:12:31. > :12:34.pass prices and the shopper. -- on to the shopper. Tesco has put a line

:12:35. > :12:36.in the sand, from the point of view of retailers. They are showing they

:12:37. > :12:44.will push back against big suppliers. The many factors are

:12:45. > :12:48.saying it is because the value of sterling, the fall in value. If

:12:49. > :12:53.products are dependent on currency but situations, why is it that is

:12:54. > :12:57.being cited as an example? People are saying Marmite is completely

:12:58. > :13:03.produced here, it does not fall victim at all to changes in

:13:04. > :13:10.currency. Is it an excuse? Well, there are all sorts of unknowns at

:13:11. > :13:13.play about it. It is not just Marmite, a whole host of Unilever

:13:14. > :13:21.products. I don't know if they have just taken a one size fits all

:13:22. > :13:24.approach across products. I don't know the ins and outs of the

:13:25. > :13:31.products and perhaps what is produced in Britain or elsewhere. We

:13:32. > :13:40.do import a lot of food. The turmoil of sterling is perhaps having an

:13:41. > :13:44.impact. Ian, how much can legitimately be put down to

:13:45. > :13:47.fluctuations in sterling? Well, I think a lot is due to the

:13:48. > :13:54.fluctuation in sterling, it is not really a fluctuation, it is going

:13:55. > :13:58.down. It is not a question of where the product is made, they are made

:13:59. > :14:02.from ingredients sourced from abroad. It is not a question of

:14:03. > :14:06.whether they are made in Norwich or Burton on Trent, it is where the

:14:07. > :14:11.ingredients come from. If the manufacturers have too paid 20% more

:14:12. > :14:19.for the ingredients, the scale that devaluation means that, at some

:14:20. > :14:24.point, prices have to rise. Is this the start of it, would you expect

:14:25. > :14:28.other producers to pile in as well? Unilever is in a unique position.

:14:29. > :14:32.Seven out of ten households around the world have a Unilever product.

:14:33. > :14:39.It is a really big muscle. The other problem is that we operate just in

:14:40. > :14:43.time now. Retailers will not be hauling huge stocks of products. It

:14:44. > :14:49.is quite easy to say, no, we are not going to save you until we sort this

:14:50. > :14:57.out. It did happen before, actually, with one of the major supermarkets,

:14:58. > :15:01.and a big drinks brand. They would not accept what the supermarket

:15:02. > :15:04.wanted to pay, there were stand-offs for six weeks, but consumer pressure

:15:05. > :15:12.brought it back onto the shelf. Who won out in terms of who absorb the

:15:13. > :15:15.cost? It was shared in the end. But the supermarket were arrogant to

:15:16. > :15:20.start with, saying they could do without it. We have a huge choice of

:15:21. > :15:23.brands now. The problem for Tesco in pushing back, the others will be as

:15:24. > :15:30.well, we shop in a different way now. It is entirely different, with

:15:31. > :15:35.online and discounters. Customers to go anywhere they want to and see

:15:36. > :15:39.price comparisons very quickly. So, they have got to be able to

:15:40. > :15:46.demonstrate that to keep their customers they are giving value for

:15:47. > :15:48.money. Thank you very much. Meanwhile, there is a legal

:15:49. > :15:58.challenge to the government's right to begin Brexit. The court will

:15:59. > :16:02.consider if they can trigger Article 50 without a new law.

:16:03. > :16:04.Our Legal Eagle Clive Coleman is at the High Court.

:16:05. > :16:20.It is being brought by a woman called Jean Miller and she argues

:16:21. > :16:25.that the government does not have the authority without the authority

:16:26. > :16:32.of Parliament to trigger article 50. The reason she says that is that if

:16:33. > :16:36.it is done by the executive alone, by government bypassing Parliament,

:16:37. > :16:42.it will extinguish and reduce rights and duties that are embedded in our

:16:43. > :16:47.constitution by way of the 1972 European communities act, the act

:16:48. > :16:52.that took us into the EU. The government says we are entitled to

:16:53. > :16:56.do it using the royal prerogative. What is that? It is a collection of

:16:57. > :17:02.executive powers that derive from the Crown and it goes back centuries

:17:03. > :17:07.to medieval times when monarchs could do whatever they wanted to do.

:17:08. > :17:10.The government said it is entirely lawful and constitutional that we

:17:11. > :17:17.use that prerogative power that bypasses Parliament to trigger

:17:18. > :17:21.Article 50. I have just come from the court and I have never seen a

:17:22. > :17:28.more packed Lord Chief Justice's court. The public gallery was full

:17:29. > :17:35.to the rafters. I counted more than 20 week barristers in court. David

:17:36. > :17:40.Panico QC, who is representing Jeanna Miller, said this was of

:17:41. > :17:45.fundamental, constitutional importance because it determines

:17:46. > :17:50.where executive power ends and where the authority of Parliament is

:17:51. > :17:53.required. That is the critical issue that the court is going to be

:17:54. > :17:58.wrestling with today and the consequences are fascinating.

:17:59. > :18:03.Potentially what are the consequences? Could it derail

:18:04. > :18:08.Brexit? Would it change the timetable as well? Theresa May wants

:18:09. > :18:15.to trigger Article 50 by the end of March. In answer to the question can

:18:16. > :18:19.the law stop Brexit, theoretically there is a possibility. If the

:18:20. > :18:23.judges were to rule an act of Parliament was required to give the

:18:24. > :18:30.government the authority to trigger Article 50, it would be appealed and

:18:31. > :18:32.go to the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court came to the same

:18:33. > :18:37.finding and it went back to Parliament and there was a vote, we

:18:38. > :18:43.know a majority of MPs favour remaining. They would be probably

:18:44. > :18:49.whipped by the government to vote with the government, but there is a

:18:50. > :18:52.theoretical possibility that enough MPs rebelled, the act would be voted

:18:53. > :18:57.down and you would have a stalemate and that would go against the

:18:58. > :19:03.referendum vote. Let's not get overexcited about that, I think that

:19:04. > :19:07.is all but impossible. But what is good effect is the timing and the

:19:08. > :19:11.manner in which we leave the EU. It could mean it has to be done with an

:19:12. > :19:16.act of Parliament and that would take some time and it could affect

:19:17. > :19:21.the timetable. The consequences are very significant and it is a very

:19:22. > :19:26.significant case in so far as the balance between the executive power,

:19:27. > :19:30.the power of the government on the one hand, and the authority of

:19:31. > :19:31.Parliament on the other. Very interesting, thank you very much.

:19:32. > :19:32.Very interesting, thank you very much.

:19:33. > :19:44.The Scottish First Minister will make a speech against Brexit. Lots

:19:45. > :19:49.of you getting in touch on the conversation earlier with Chloe and

:19:50. > :19:55.read about stillborn babies. Linda said, I lost one of my twins at 26

:19:56. > :20:00.weeks. That was 30 years ago and I am so disappointed that services are

:20:01. > :20:05.still as bad as they were back then. My best wishes to the ladies who

:20:06. > :20:07.were talking so bravely earlier on the show. Thank you for your comment

:20:08. > :20:10.on that. A charity which aims to stop child

:20:11. > :20:14.sex abuse by working with offenders, says 13,500 paedophiles have been

:20:15. > :20:16.in contact since it launched an online campaign

:20:17. > :20:18.exactly a year ago. Stop It Now was set up

:20:19. > :20:20.by the charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation,

:20:21. > :20:22.as the UK's first website and helpline service

:20:23. > :20:24.for people accessing indecent The aim is that people

:20:25. > :20:29.who are either committing an offence or fantasising about children can

:20:30. > :20:32.access support to try to change The high figures echo concerns

:20:33. > :20:36.from Norfolk's Chief Simon Bailey said there could be

:20:37. > :20:42.100,000 men in the UK who regularly look at obscene images

:20:43. > :20:45.of children online. So if many are actively seeking out

:20:46. > :20:48.help through the Stop It Now site, could this be an effective way

:20:49. > :21:08.of preventing child sex abuse? Angus Crawford has been following

:21:09. > :21:12.the story. But first that figure of 100,000 men accessing images of

:21:13. > :21:18.indecent children online, where does it come from? It is more accurate

:21:19. > :21:23.research and software that can track these images as they pass through

:21:24. > :21:27.the Internet in real time. It gives them a clear idea. They have now had

:21:28. > :21:34.years of experience looking at what is going on online. But back in the

:21:35. > :21:39.early 90s the Home Office did a study and it decided there were 7000

:21:40. > :21:46.indecent images of children in existence. Fast forward to today and

:21:47. > :21:51.the estimate is 100 million. Why? The growth of the Internet and every

:21:52. > :21:56.single telephone is now effectively a camera. Fast forward to today.

:21:57. > :22:02.Three years ago the National Crime Agency thought there were 50,000 men

:22:03. > :22:08.in the UK who regularly viewed indecent images. With all the

:22:09. > :22:12.research now they say it is at least 100,000 men. Every single one of

:22:13. > :22:20.these images is effectively a crime scene. It is a real child really

:22:21. > :22:23.suffering. We have got the charity putting a service forward that

:22:24. > :22:28.encourages people who are looking at these images to go to them. I know

:22:29. > :22:33.you have met one of these offenders who has turned to the foundation.

:22:34. > :22:38.Tell us a bit more about him. The name he wanted to use was David, he

:22:39. > :22:45.did not want his back entity known. He is married, he has a family, he

:22:46. > :22:49.is middle-aged and its middle class. He developed an obsession with adult

:22:50. > :22:54.illegal pornography and then that led him down a very dark place to a

:22:55. > :23:00.place where he was looking at illegal images. He said effectively

:23:01. > :23:04.his moral compass was eroded by his exposure to adult pornography. He

:23:05. > :23:08.was arrested, he got help and received a suspended sentence. He

:23:09. > :23:10.admits that what he did was wrong and he is very sorry about what he

:23:11. > :23:24.did. This is his story. I was the car crash waiting to

:23:25. > :23:29.happen because I did not know how to get out of it. No one not on my

:23:30. > :23:34.door, so the next time you might view a bit more. You are on that

:23:35. > :23:40.downward spiral, you are in a bubble and not comprehending the reality of

:23:41. > :23:44.what you were doing. You are feeding the machine that does this in the

:23:45. > :23:48.first place. There are people out there exploiting young lives for

:23:49. > :23:53.their own gain and what I did and what others like me do feed that

:23:54. > :23:58.machine. What is your message to other men who have not received the

:23:59. > :24:03.knock on the door yet who are doing this? Make that call, save yourself

:24:04. > :24:08.a world of pain, save your family and friends a world of pain. You

:24:09. > :24:13.will get yourself into this if you continue to access obscene images of

:24:14. > :24:17.children. Society will brand to a perv of the worst kind and you think

:24:18. > :24:22.all you do is look at an image. That is not how you are perceived by the

:24:23. > :24:32.society we live in, you do not want to be this person.

:24:33. > :24:39.Angus, thank you very much for bringing us his story. Lisa

:24:40. > :24:49.Thornhill is a practitioner and treats people who use images of

:24:50. > :24:53.children. And we can speak to a survivor of child sexual abuse who

:24:54. > :24:58.is sceptical about whether focusing on this is effective. We can speak

:24:59. > :25:04.to a counsellor who thinks offering support and help online is a good

:25:05. > :25:11.thing. Thank you for joining us. Lisa, from the foundation, 1600

:25:12. > :25:14.people have contacted your helpline and 13,500 have sought help through

:25:15. > :25:23.the website. Talk us through a typical approach and case. Often we

:25:24. > :25:25.get people contacting us on our confidential helpline. Sometimes

:25:26. > :25:31.they have been arrested and the police will have given them our

:25:32. > :25:34.number. Often they are in a state of shock and they have been looking at

:25:35. > :25:40.images for a long time and they have not been caught. Often, like the

:25:41. > :25:44.example that you gave, they can be in a family situation and the family

:25:45. > :25:50.has no idea what has been happening. If they are in contact with the

:25:51. > :25:54.police, they can get access to our face to face service. We work

:25:55. > :25:58.alongside the police and we make it very clear to people who get in

:25:59. > :26:01.touch with us that if they admit offences that the police do not know

:26:02. > :26:07.about, we passed that information on. It is a very challenging

:26:08. > :26:14.programme and it requires people to be motivated and to want to make

:26:15. > :26:17.changes. For those who want to access an anonymous help, they can

:26:18. > :26:21.go to our website. Charlotte, you were abused as a child. Do you think

:26:22. > :26:27.helping people who are looking at child pornography is a good way to

:26:28. > :26:32.help victims? It is a fantastic way of tackling it because the abusers

:26:33. > :26:36.are generally afraid to seek help. I have cancelled survivors of sexual

:26:37. > :26:41.abuse in my private practice and I have helped hundreds of survivors,

:26:42. > :26:47.but only one potential abuser has ever helped me. They are branded as

:26:48. > :26:52.perverts, evil, as the recording says, so they are afraid to seek

:26:53. > :26:57.help. To make it safe for them to access help is definitely positive.

:26:58. > :27:01.It sounds like you have a lot of sympathy for a group of people that

:27:02. > :27:09.a lot of people have no sympathy for. Absolutely. Hurt people hurt

:27:10. > :27:13.people. No one is born and abuser, it is usually a response to

:27:14. > :27:16.emotional distress they have had in their own lives, a lack of

:27:17. > :27:21.meaningful connections in their own lives. It is an addiction as well

:27:22. > :27:26.which comes from a lack of connection and I have empathy with

:27:27. > :27:31.them. Did it take you some time to get to that view because you were

:27:32. > :27:37.abused yourself? I had a lot of work to do on myself because there is no

:27:38. > :27:41.doubt it has a tremendous impact on victims and survivors' lives. You

:27:42. > :27:45.have a lot of work to get through to work on yourself, but it is how you

:27:46. > :27:50.deal with those experiences that gets you out at the other end. You

:27:51. > :27:57.think this is a better alternative to punishment. How do you see this

:27:58. > :28:01.alongside but management? Daschle punishment? It is fighting fire with

:28:02. > :28:07.fire. You need to understand why people are doing what they are doing

:28:08. > :28:15.and tackle it from there. How do you see it? Not surprisingly, I agree

:28:16. > :28:20.with what has been set. Angus made the point, which is that people who

:28:21. > :28:26.are viewing images are viewing crime scenes of the very worst kind. I

:28:27. > :28:34.think the moment we start to sanitise, to turn it into purely a

:28:35. > :28:38.social, public health issue, which I except on one level it absolutely

:28:39. > :28:43.is, then we start to make excuses for people who are committing the

:28:44. > :28:47.worst kind of crime in society crimes against children. Having said

:28:48. > :28:54.that, you might think that we as a charity who supports survivors would

:28:55. > :28:59.not support the work of Stop It Now. Quite the reverse, we are quite

:29:00. > :29:08.envious of the financial support that organisation has had over the

:29:09. > :29:12.years from the government. We all need to work together because the

:29:13. > :29:16.bottom line is about protecting children. But I do not think we

:29:17. > :29:20.should send a message out to society, and certainly not to mental

:29:21. > :29:27.women who access images of child abuse, that in any way they may get

:29:28. > :29:33.away with it. But what about the case of David where he was caught

:29:34. > :29:38.and punished and he went as sought help. What if somebody goes to the

:29:39. > :29:44.charity first and is never punished, but changes their behaviour as a

:29:45. > :29:48.result? The key thing is, and I have said this many times, it is better

:29:49. > :29:52.that somebody stops before they start, that is the key thing, hence

:29:53. > :29:58.the importance of people who have these dreadful feelings that they

:29:59. > :30:06.get help. Most people will not get help. 1600 calls to the Stop It Now

:30:07. > :30:10.And That Helpline Is Encouraging, But Last Year We Received Over

:30:11. > :30:15.72,000 Calls From Victims And Survivors. That Puts It Into

:30:16. > :30:22.Perspective. When I Get A Bit Challenged About These Discussions

:30:23. > :30:26.it is because it is the survivors and the victims and the children who

:30:27. > :30:36.have grown up carrying the burden who get forgotten and we are talking

:30:37. > :30:39.about the perpetrators. We need to discuss the perpetrators and get

:30:40. > :30:42.inside the minds of people who commit these crimes, but we must

:30:43. > :30:47.never sent out a message that says you will get away with it or you

:30:48. > :30:52.send them on the sexual offenders cause, because what they have done

:30:53. > :30:56.is destroyed the lives of a child. Explain that.

:30:57. > :31:04.There is an element of deterrence, we want people to note is a serious

:31:05. > :31:07.crime, we a video that explains the consequences, you will be labelled

:31:08. > :31:11.as a sex offender, taken away from your family, not able to see your

:31:12. > :31:14.own children, you might be put in prison. The problem for some

:31:15. > :31:17.offenders is that they might receive a very short sentence, which does

:31:18. > :31:20.not give them access to any treatment that will address their

:31:21. > :31:27.offending. Today, I've spoken a lot about helping offenders. It's not

:31:28. > :31:30.just about help, it is also about challenging their beliefs. The

:31:31. > :31:33.people that come to us are often very ashamed of their behaviour, it

:31:34. > :31:36.is not something you can ask many people for help about, it is not the

:31:37. > :31:44.kind of problem that people are able to hear, because it is an abhorrent

:31:45. > :31:50.crime. We do not excuse the behaviour of offenders, it is a

:31:51. > :31:56.serious crime. Briefly, what would you say the success rate is amongst

:31:57. > :31:58.people that come to you? We have had overwhelmingly positive response

:31:59. > :32:01.from the people we have been in contact with and the other agencies,

:32:02. > :32:06.that are very respectful of our work. Would you say anybody can be

:32:07. > :32:10.turned around? Absolutely, people that want to change can change. That

:32:11. > :32:15.is the message we want to get out there. If you want help to stop this

:32:16. > :32:25.awful crime, please get in touch. Thank you very much.

:32:26. > :32:32.In a speech in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon will say that right-wing

:32:33. > :32:35.Tories have hijacked Brexit and use it as a licence for xenophobia.

:32:36. > :32:39.And we'll hear what it is like to be lost overboard in the Indian Ocean

:32:40. > :32:44.from a man who survived 29 hours in shark-infested waters.

:32:45. > :32:54.With the news here is Anita in the newsroom.

:32:55. > :32:57.The supermarket giant Tesco is running down stocks of dozens

:32:58. > :33:00.of household items such as Marmite, Flora and PG Tips because it's

:33:01. > :33:02.refusing to pay the higher prices demanded by their supplier.

:33:03. > :33:05.Unilever is believed to have blamed price hikes of around 10%

:33:06. > :33:08.The company is being accused of using Brexit as an excuse

:33:09. > :33:13.The High Court will begin hearing a legal challenge today

:33:14. > :33:16.to the Government's right to take the UK out of the European Union

:33:17. > :33:19.The case is being brought by a businesswoman, Gina Miller.

:33:20. > :33:35.Ministers argue they can act under ancient powers of Royal Prerogative.

:33:36. > :33:38.The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been speaking about Brexit this

:33:39. > :33:40.morning before the Foreign Affairs committee of MPs.

:33:41. > :33:42.He said there were many countries already selling into the EU single

:33:43. > :33:44.market - and Britain would do the same.

:33:45. > :33:46.And Mr Johnson insisted people should be reassured

:33:47. > :33:53.Those that predicted doom before the referendum had been proved wrong. I

:33:54. > :34:00.think they will continue to be proved wrong. I think it will take

:34:01. > :34:03.time for the full benefits of Brexit to appear, because, after all, we

:34:04. > :34:07.haven't begun the process of leaving. The whole thing is very

:34:08. > :34:09.artificial and speculative. The number of racially

:34:10. > :34:11.or religiously aggravated crimes recorded by police in England

:34:12. > :34:13.and Wales has jumped sharply Home Office figures show these sorts

:34:14. > :34:21.of crimes rose by 41% in July 2016 The number of hate crimes

:34:22. > :34:29.for the same period were up It's reported that at least four

:34:30. > :34:32.children have been killed in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

:34:33. > :34:35.after shells landed near a school. It happened in a government-held

:34:36. > :34:39.district of the city. Syria state news said

:34:40. > :34:41.the area was targeted Aleppo has been divided

:34:42. > :34:44.between government and rebel A senior Nigerian government

:34:45. > :34:50.official has told the BBC that 21 of the Chibok schoolgirls kidnapped

:34:51. > :34:53.by Boko Haram two years It's understood the girls

:34:54. > :35:03.are being looked after by the security services

:35:04. > :35:05.in the northeast city of Maiduguri. It is not yet clear how

:35:06. > :35:08.the girls were rescued. But the Nigerian military

:35:09. > :35:10.is currently carrying a large-scale operation in the Sambisa forest -

:35:11. > :35:12.Boko Haram's stronghold. The Islamist militant group

:35:13. > :35:14.kidnapped more than 250 students

:35:15. > :35:16.from their dormitories in April 2014 - an act that provoked

:35:17. > :35:23.international condemnation. The company at the centre

:35:24. > :35:26.of a scandal which saw many people's tax credits incorrectly stopped

:35:27. > :35:28.is due to speak publicly for the first time this morning -

:35:29. > :35:31.when it gives evidence The American firm Concentrix

:35:32. > :35:34.was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

:35:35. > :35:37.by finding and stopping But last month the Victoria

:35:38. > :35:40.Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

:35:41. > :35:42.were having their money Donald Trump's campaign team has

:35:43. > :35:50.dismissed claims by two women that A spokesman for the Republican

:35:51. > :35:53.presidential candidate described the allegations,

:35:54. > :35:54.reported in the New York He accused the paper of reaching

:35:55. > :35:58.back decades in an attempt That's a summary of the latest news.

:35:59. > :36:20.Join me at 11 o'clock. We are just hearing that the British

:36:21. > :36:23.boxing body has suspended the licence of the former heavyweight

:36:24. > :36:30.champion Tyson Fury, pending a probe into doping and medical issues. It

:36:31. > :36:35.was anticipated that may happen. We are hearing that his licences being

:36:36. > :36:39.suspended. Let's go straight to Jess.

:36:40. > :36:44.That has broken in the last couple of minutes. It comes at a time when

:36:45. > :36:47.Tyson Fury has had a lot of negativity through his career in the

:36:48. > :36:50.last couple of years. He admitted recently, in an interview with

:36:51. > :36:55.Rolling Stone magazine, to taking cocaine to deal with depression. He

:36:56. > :36:58.has twice postponed his rematch with Vladimir Klitschko.

:36:59. > :37:00.Olympic hepthalon gold medallist Jessica Ennis-Hill has

:37:01. > :37:04.She followed her success at London 2012 with a silver

:37:05. > :37:09.She says she wanted to leave the sport on a high

:37:10. > :37:17.Ben Stokes says England can become the best one-day side in the world,

:37:18. > :37:19.after they won the series against Bangladesh.

:37:20. > :37:21.They took the decider by four wickets in Chittagong,

:37:22. > :37:22.Chris Woakes hitting the winning runs.

:37:23. > :37:24.Manchester City's Women are through to the last 16

:37:25. > :37:26.of the Champions League, after they beat Russian side,

:37:27. > :37:28.Zvezda 4-0 yesterday, Jennifer Beattie with the pick

:37:29. > :37:35.of the goals as they won the tie 6-0 overall.

:37:36. > :37:38.Chelsea and Hibs were both knocked out.

:37:39. > :37:41.Andy Murray beat Steve Johnson in straight sets to reach the third

:37:42. > :37:46.He'll play Luca Pewi, of France later today.

:37:47. > :37:52.Kyle Edmund is out though, he lost to Stan Wawrinka.

:37:53. > :37:55.And Johanna Konta has pulled out of the Hong Kong Open through injury.

:37:56. > :37:57.She'd been hoping to earn more points towards the season-ending

:37:58. > :38:05.finals in Singapore but she's suffered an abdominal strain.

:38:06. > :38:09.That is all the sport for now, more across the BBC News channel through

:38:10. > :38:19.the day. We are going to be speaking to Tyson

:38:20. > :38:24.Fury's uncle shortly for more reaction to the news that his boxing

:38:25. > :38:27.licence has been suspended, pending further investigation into

:38:28. > :38:31.anti-doping and medical issues by the British boxing board of control.

:38:32. > :38:38.It has confirmed that move. His boxing licences suspended. It

:38:39. > :38:42.follows from his decision to voluntarily vacate his world

:38:43. > :38:46.heavyweight titles in order to focus on his treatment and recovery from

:38:47. > :38:52.depression. He has relinquished his titles. That is in order to fully

:38:53. > :39:02.focus on his treatment and recovery from depression. It was anticipated

:39:03. > :39:06.that he might lose his licence to fight and we are now hearing that

:39:07. > :39:11.the British boxing board of control has suspended it. He has not

:39:12. > :39:19.actually fought since claiming his belt by beating Klitschko. He

:39:20. > :39:24.recently pulled out of a rematch for the second time after being declared

:39:25. > :39:29.medically unfit. He was facing losing his licence and a ban after

:39:30. > :39:35.admitting to taking cocaine in an interview in Rolling Stone magazine.

:39:36. > :39:39.He put out a statement on his decision to let those titles go,

:39:40. > :39:44.head of that decision by the British boxing board of control. He said, I

:39:45. > :39:47.won the titles in the ring, I believe they should be lost in the

:39:48. > :39:52.ring, but I am unable to defend and I have taken the hard and emotional

:39:53. > :40:02.decision to officially vacate my treasured world titles. Let's speak

:40:03. > :40:07.now to Tyson Fury's uncle, Peter Fury. Your reaction to that

:40:08. > :40:14.suspension? I have not read what the statement is. Can you tell me what

:40:15. > :40:18.the Boxing Board Of Control have said? A very brief line, the licence

:40:19. > :40:21.has been suspended pending further investigation into anti-doping and

:40:22. > :40:29.medical issues. That is all we have got at the moment. Well, obviously

:40:30. > :40:34.the latest events, what has happened, that was the probable

:40:35. > :40:37.cause. He is seeking medical treatment at the moment. That is

:40:38. > :40:44.where we are, a foregone conclusion that they would suspend. There is

:40:45. > :40:51.not really a comment, it doesn't really make any difference to be

:40:52. > :40:55.fair. Tyson is to undergo the treatment, as and when he is ready,

:40:56. > :41:00.and recovered, the psychological reports, the psychiatrist reports,

:41:01. > :41:05.the boxing board will review that. How will he deal with this? I don't

:41:06. > :41:08.think it will make any difference to Tyson. He has been told to

:41:09. > :41:20.relinquished the belts because he needs to de-stress completed. He has

:41:21. > :41:24.been advised by the medical people not to get involved in any media,

:41:25. > :41:29.take total rest and recover from depression. Is this it, effectively,

:41:30. > :41:36.for his career? Is it over? Definitely not. This has been an

:41:37. > :41:40.underlying problem for quite a while. I think there are a lot of

:41:41. > :41:45.events, allegations, which probably tipped him too far. Maybe it is a

:41:46. > :41:50.blessing in disguise, and he can really take time out and sort these

:41:51. > :41:57.demons, if you like, what has been plaguing him for such a long time.

:41:58. > :42:01.Take us back to when you are first aware of the demons you talk about.

:42:02. > :42:06.He has always had them, but he has been able to deal with them. When he

:42:07. > :42:10.comes in the gym, there has never been a problem, he has been OK. In

:42:11. > :42:15.recent times, especially when he came back into the gym to train for

:42:16. > :42:21.Klitschko this time, it was like there was no zest, he was just going

:42:22. > :42:29.through the motions, like his mind was somewhere else. It's unfortunate

:42:30. > :42:34.it has come to the stage where he has had to seek medical help and put

:42:35. > :42:41.his career on hold. This is majorly important for his welfare and also

:42:42. > :42:45.his personal life. How is he now? He is fine, he is getting medical help.

:42:46. > :42:50.Like I said, he is progressing well. He is seeking treatment. He is

:42:51. > :42:53.seeing the people that are treating him every week. He is undergoing

:42:54. > :42:59.treatment and I believe it is all going well. They don't expect it is

:43:00. > :43:04.going to be a long time. They said it could be two, three, at worst it

:43:05. > :43:10.could be four months. But he will be back. I appreciate you have come on

:43:11. > :43:14.and reacted very quickly from that news that his licence has been

:43:15. > :43:20.suspended. At this stage, it is just a suspension. Would you expect it to

:43:21. > :43:23.be taken away? Yes, I think the Boxing Board Of Control are only

:43:24. > :43:27.doing their duty, they have to follow suit. They have a heavyweight

:43:28. > :43:30.world champion and has not boxed in over one year, a lot of

:43:31. > :43:34.competitions, lots of things in the press about his depression, suicidal

:43:35. > :43:41.thoughts, the medical grounds alone they would have to suspend. This is

:43:42. > :43:44.a formality to us and the boxing board of control, they have to

:43:45. > :43:47.follow suit. Thank you for joining us.

:43:48. > :43:50.Now I just want to remind you of an event we'll

:43:51. > :43:55.Don't forget to join us on the 17th of October when we will be live

:43:56. > :43:58.at the Olympic homecoming parade in Manchester.

:43:59. > :44:01.The Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is about to open the SNP's

:44:02. > :44:03.conference in Glasgow by promising to lead the fight against

:44:04. > :44:08.Glenn Campbell is our political correspondent for Scotland.

:44:09. > :44:21.They have just announced the deputy leader. Tell us more about what you

:44:22. > :44:29.are expecting her to say. You might remember that the SNP were dismissed

:44:30. > :44:36.as divisive and nationalists by the Prime Minister May at her party

:44:37. > :44:42.conference. Nicola Sturgeon has her chance to reply. She will portray

:44:43. > :44:46.the right wing of the Conservatives as being the real divisive force in

:44:47. > :44:51.politics. In her view, they are trying to hijack the result of the

:44:52. > :44:56.EU referendum to pursue what she sees as a xenophobic agenda. Policy

:44:57. > :45:01.proposals, such as the idea that businesses would have two reported

:45:02. > :45:05.Government the proportion of their workforce that comes from outside

:45:06. > :45:11.the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is against that. She is against Brexit.

:45:12. > :45:15.Remember, a majority in Scotland backed Remain in the referendum. She

:45:16. > :45:20.wants to use that vote to try to maintain Scotland's links with the

:45:21. > :45:26.EU in particular. She once Scotland to remain within the single market.

:45:27. > :45:30.She is seeking to build alliances with Labour, Liberal Democrats and

:45:31. > :45:35.even Conservatives across the UK to keep the whole of the UK within the

:45:36. > :45:39.single market. That is her primary objective. But she is also going to

:45:40. > :45:42.make clear, I think, that the idea of holding a second referendum on

:45:43. > :45:51.Scottish independence remains on the table. To underline, when she says

:45:52. > :45:57.that, she means it, and that she is not bluffing, the SNP have a really

:45:58. > :46:00.big decision to make on that. Of course, they want to hold another

:46:01. > :46:04.referendum at some point. It is really a question not so much if

:46:05. > :46:10.that happens, but when it happens, and whether or not the party should

:46:11. > :46:15.gamble holding a vote of that sort during the two Mike Freer Brexit

:46:16. > :46:19.negotiation process. There some that say there will never be a better

:46:20. > :46:24.time and that she should go for it, others are more cautious because the

:46:25. > :46:25.SNP, having lost a referendum once, really cannot afford to lose for a

:46:26. > :46:38.second time. What is public opinion on her

:46:39. > :46:44.holding one and where would it go if it was hell? Those who backed the

:46:45. > :46:50.Yes campaign finished with 45% of the vote. Support for independence

:46:51. > :47:00.is at that level, if not a little higher. What the SNP would like to

:47:01. > :47:03.see is a trend suggesting a majority are consistently in favour of

:47:04. > :47:07.independence. In other words, if they did go down the route of

:47:08. > :47:12.holding a second vote on independence, that they would be

:47:13. > :47:16.almost certain to win. Those at the circumstances in which they would

:47:17. > :47:21.like to fight. Whilst those circumstances do not exist right

:47:22. > :47:26.now, they wonder whether opinion polling might detect a shift in the

:47:27. > :47:30.public mood once the Brexit negotiations get under and once the

:47:31. > :47:35.nature of the Brexit deal becomes clear and the consequences of that

:47:36. > :47:39.become clearer as well. The SNP at the moment is playing a waiting

:47:40. > :47:44.game, they are in a holding pattern and they want to see what develops

:47:45. > :47:48.as the Brexit talks get under way before making that really big call

:47:49. > :47:54.on whether or not to go with a second vote on independence in the

:47:55. > :48:01.next couple of years. On what the SNP intends to do to fight against a

:48:02. > :48:09.hard Brexit, what are open to the SNP? I think the First Minister and

:48:10. > :48:15.SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon will make clear that as a starting point when

:48:16. > :48:23.the legislation comes before the UK Parliament, before Westminster, to

:48:24. > :48:27.repeal the laws that secure the UK within the European Union, SNP MPs

:48:28. > :48:31.will vote against. But she will place an emphasis on the idea of

:48:32. > :48:39.building a coalition, for one of a better word, with those in other

:48:40. > :48:43.political parties, including Labour, Liberal Democrat and potentially

:48:44. > :48:47.some sympathetic conservatives, to try and ensure that whatever Brexit

:48:48. > :48:52.means it means not just Scotland, but the whole of the UK remaining

:48:53. > :48:58.part of the European single market in goods and services. Separately as

:48:59. > :49:03.First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon has set up a standing counsel on Europe

:49:04. > :49:10.with some pretty impressive minds. She has tasked them with looking at

:49:11. > :49:14.options for Scotland that would maximise the retention of Scotland's

:49:15. > :49:20.links with the European Union after Brexit. In other words, a special

:49:21. > :49:23.deal, a special relationship for Scotland. The UK Government has said

:49:24. > :49:27.it will listen to that, but it does not have any promises. Less listen

:49:28. > :50:08.now to Nicola Sturgeon. 2014, where everything doesn't buy

:50:09. > :50:30.and SNP constituency MSP. Let me begin today by warmly

:50:31. > :50:40.congratulating our new deputy leader, Angus Robertson. Conference,

:50:41. > :50:46.we had four first-class candidates to choose from. Indeed, we had more

:50:47. > :50:54.quality in our race for deputy leader than Labour managed in its

:50:55. > :51:02.election for leader. So, let me on your behalf and Tommy, Alan and

:51:03. > :51:06.Chris for bringing their talents, their energy and ideas to the

:51:07. > :51:17.contest. Each of you has a massive contribution to make to the future

:51:18. > :51:21.of our party. And, Angus, you will be an outstanding deputy leader. I

:51:22. > :51:27.am delighted to have you by my side and I look forward to working with

:51:28. > :51:37.you as we lead our party and our country to even greater success.

:51:38. > :51:42.Conference, over the next three days we will talk in detail about our

:51:43. > :51:48.work to build a better, fairer Scotland. On Saturday my conference

:51:49. > :51:54.address will focus on our plans to help business and create jobs. On

:51:55. > :51:59.our work to expand childcare and close the attainment gap in our

:52:00. > :52:04.schools, on our absolute undiminished commitment to invest in

:52:05. > :52:10.and reform our precious NHS. At the heart of every single one of our

:52:11. > :52:15.plans is the ambition to build an inclusive Scotland, a country where

:52:16. > :52:19.everyone has the opportunity to contribute to, and the right to

:52:20. > :52:26.benefit from, the better Scotland we are building to get their a country

:52:27. > :52:33.where we cherish diversity and value people for the contribution they

:52:34. > :52:35.make not one where we dug in on the heap of their birth or the colour of

:52:36. > :52:52.their passport. And the contrast with the

:52:53. > :52:57.Westminster government could not be more stark. Last week in Birmingham

:52:58. > :53:03.we heard an intolerance towards those from other countries that has

:53:04. > :53:16.no place in a modern, multicultural, civilised society. On the day of the

:53:17. > :53:20.Prime Minister's speech to the Tory conference, the new leader of Ukip

:53:21. > :53:26.resigned. Perhaps she realised that her job and her party are now

:53:27. > :53:32.redundant. Last week, we saw the Tories adopt Ukip policy and Nigel

:53:33. > :53:37.Farage style rhetoric lock, stock and beer barrel. It was a disgrace

:53:38. > :53:50.and it shames the Tory party and everyone who speaks for it. But make

:53:51. > :53:55.no mistake, the right wing of the Tory party is now in the ascendancy

:53:56. > :54:02.and it is seeking to hijack the EU referendum result. Brexit has now

:54:03. > :54:07.become Tory Brexit. The rampant right wing of the party is using it

:54:08. > :54:14.as a licence for the xenophobia that has long lain under the surface and

:54:15. > :54:19.which is now in full view. They are using the result as cover for a hard

:54:20. > :54:22.Brexit for which they have no mandate, but which they are

:54:23. > :54:28.determined to impose regardless of the ruinous consequences. Worse

:54:29. > :54:33.still, they intend to do all of this with no Parliamentary authority,

:54:34. > :54:37.with virtually no scrutiny whatsoever, and to do it with

:54:38. > :54:40.complete disregard for Scotland's democratic voice. That is simply not

:54:41. > :54:56.acceptable. Last week, the Prime Minister told

:54:57. > :55:03.us how important it was to respect the democratic mandate of the

:55:04. > :55:09.people. I agree, which is why I say this to her today. It is high time

:55:10. > :55:23.you respected the 62% of people across Scotland who voted to remain.

:55:24. > :55:27.Of course, I know that 1 million of our fellow citizens voted to leave

:55:28. > :55:31.and they did so for a range of legitimate reasons and as First

:55:32. > :55:36.Minister I have a duty to listen to them and to understand and to

:55:37. > :55:39.respond to these reasons. I suspect many of those who voted to leave

:55:40. > :55:46.look now at the actions and the rhetoric of the Tories and think,

:55:47. > :55:51.that is not what I voted for. They may have voted to take back control,

:55:52. > :55:56.but I cannot imagine that many of them voted to hand control to the

:55:57. > :56:08.unholy trinity of Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox. Boris

:56:09. > :56:19.Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox, three men in a Brexit boat and not a

:56:20. > :56:26.paddle between them. I do not believe people voted for that. They

:56:27. > :56:29.did not vote to throw economic rationality out of the window. They

:56:30. > :56:35.did not vote to lower their own living standards or to sacrifice

:56:36. > :56:39.jobs and investment. They did not vote for our businesses to face

:56:40. > :56:44.tariffs or for holiday-makers to need visas, they did not vote for

:56:45. > :56:49.the scapegoating of foreigners and they did not vote for the voice of

:56:50. > :56:54.Scotland's people and our Parliament to be ignored. Yet all of these are

:56:55. > :56:57.clear and present dangers and all of that will happen unless we fight

:56:58. > :57:13.against it and we will fight against it. Our single most important job is

:57:14. > :57:18.to protect Scotland's interests. Our democratic interests, our economic

:57:19. > :57:20.interests, our interests in social protection and solidarity and our

:57:21. > :57:26.interests in influencing the world we live in. There is no doubt that

:57:27. > :57:32.Brexit is a defining issue of our time, for Scotland and the UK. It

:57:33. > :57:37.looms over everything. How could it not given the implications for our

:57:38. > :57:42.economy, society, security and place in the world? Today I want to

:57:43. > :57:46.concentrate on what we will do in the months ahead to protect the

:57:47. > :57:52.interests of Scotland and in so far as we can the interests of the UK as

:57:53. > :57:57.a whole. Firstly, we will make our case in the House of commons and in

:57:58. > :58:01.the Scottish parliament. I can confirm today that SNP MPs will vote

:58:02. > :58:13.against the Brexit bill when it comes before the House of commons

:58:14. > :58:17.next year. That bill will repeal the legislation that enacted our EU

:58:18. > :58:23.membership. Scotland did not vote for that and so neither will our

:58:24. > :58:27.MPs. We will also work to persuade others, labour, liberals and

:58:28. > :58:32.moderate Tories, to join us in a coalition against a hard Brexit, not

:58:33. > :58:38.just for Scotland, but for the whole UK. We know Brexit will damage our

:58:39. > :58:44.economy, hard Brexit removal from the EU and the single market as well

:58:45. > :58:50.will be disastrous. The Treasury estimates the cost of the UK economy

:58:51. > :58:56.could be ?66 billion. Here in Scotland 18,000 jobs could be lost,

:58:57. > :59:01.wages will be hit by up to ?2000 and growth in the economy would slow.

:59:02. > :59:11.There is no rational case for taking the UK out of the single market and

:59:12. > :59:16.there is no authority for it either. How many times did we hear prominent

:59:17. > :59:21.Leave campaign as an assurance that leaving the EU did not mean leaving

:59:22. > :59:25.the single market and the Tory manifesto on which Theresa May and

:59:26. > :59:30.on which every other Tory MP was elected could not have been clearer.

:59:31. > :59:34.It said, we say yes to the single market, but now we face a hard

:59:35. > :59:40.Brexit imposed by the hard right of the Tory party. The Prime Minister

:59:41. > :59:45.may have a mandate to take England and Wales could of the EU, but she

:59:46. > :59:50.has no mandate whatsoever to remove any part of the UK from the single

:59:51. > :59:55.market and if a majority in the House of commons stand up for what

:59:56. > :00:05.they know to be right, she will not get away with doing it. Friends...

:00:06. > :00:19.We will also assert the right of the Scottish Parliament to have its say.

:00:20. > :00:27.The UK Parliament cannot make law in devolved areas without the consent

:00:28. > :00:37.of the... It seems the Tories are going against this. They want to

:00:38. > :00:39.wrap up the Smith report. Any to understand that Scotland's

:00:40. > :00:44.parliament is the Democratic heartbeat of our nation and to deny

:00:45. > :00:49.it the right to give or withhold its consent on an issue of such

:00:50. > :00:51.magnitude would be an act of constitutional vandalism and it is

:00:52. > :01:06.not on. As well as Parliamentary action,

:01:07. > :01:11.over the next few weeks we will table specific proposals to protect

:01:12. > :01:16.Scotland's interests in Europe and keep us in the single market even if

:01:17. > :01:20.the rest of the UK decides to leave Ulster it is clear that beyond the

:01:21. > :01:24.hardline rhetoric, the UK Government has no detailed plan so the Scottish

:01:25. > :01:29.Government will set out a plan for Scotland to seek to make this plan a

:01:30. > :01:34.key element of the UK's Article 50 negotiations. It will require

:01:35. > :01:39.additional powers for the Scottish parliament. All the powers in our

:01:40. > :01:44.area of responsibility that currently lie with the EU, and

:01:45. > :01:47.significant new powers. Powers to strike international deals and

:01:48. > :01:53.greater powers over immigration, power is not just to protect our

:01:54. > :01:57.economy but also our values. UK ministers might think it is

:01:58. > :02:04.acceptable to order businesses to create lists of foreign workers. We

:02:05. > :02:15.do not. Our ambition is to build an inclusive Scotland.

:02:16. > :02:20.Conference, the morning after the EU referendum, I said I would seek to

:02:21. > :02:25.find our way to allow Scotland's voice to be heard and our interests

:02:26. > :02:30.to be protected and I said I would explore if that could happen within

:02:31. > :02:39.the UK. The plan we table will honour that commitment but let me be

:02:40. > :02:42.clear, its chance of success will depend not on us but on the attitude

:02:43. > :02:47.of the UK Government and recent signs have not been promising. Last

:02:48. > :02:52.week we heard from the Prime Minister a disregard for Scotland's

:02:53. > :02:58.Democratic voice that was reminiscent of Margaret Thatcher.

:02:59. > :03:06.And assertion of Westminster constitutional supremacy that

:03:07. > :03:09.belongs in another century. High-handed announcements dismissing

:03:10. > :03:19.Scottish opinion might delete the Tory conference but they're no

:03:20. > :03:24.longer to mainstream Scotland. --. Delight the Tory conference. My

:03:25. > :03:29.message to the Prime Minister is clear. Scotland did not choose to be

:03:30. > :03:36.in this situation, your party put us here. In 2014 you told us Scotland

:03:37. > :03:41.was an equal partner in the UK. The moment has come to prove it. If you

:03:42. > :03:46.value the UK, as you say you do, it is up to you to prove that it can

:03:47. > :03:58.work for Scotland. The ball, Prime Minister, is in your court.

:03:59. > :04:10.But here this, if you think for one single second that I am not serious

:04:11. > :04:12.about doing what it takes to protect Scotland's interests then think

:04:13. > :04:37.again. If you cannot or will not allow us

:04:38. > :04:40.to protect our interests within the UK then Scotland will have the right

:04:41. > :04:49.to decide afresh if it wants to take a different path. A hard Brexit will

:04:50. > :04:55.change the UK fundamentally. A UK out of the single market, isolated,

:04:56. > :04:59.in Word looking, haemorrhaging jobs, investment and opportunities will

:05:00. > :05:05.not be the same country Scotland voted to stay part of in 2014. If

:05:06. > :05:12.that is the insecure, unstable prospect we face as part of the UK,

:05:13. > :05:14.then no one will have the right to deny Scotland the chance to choose a

:05:15. > :05:32.better future. The morning after the referendum, I

:05:33. > :05:38.said I would protect Scotland's ability to make that choice. In our

:05:39. > :05:44.programme for government, I committed to publishing a draft

:05:45. > :05:48.referendum Bill. I am determined that Scotland will have the ability

:05:49. > :05:53.to reconsider the question of independence and to do so before the

:05:54. > :06:05.UK leads the EU if that is necessary to protect our country's interest. I

:06:06. > :06:09.can confirm... I can confirm today that their independence referendum

:06:10. > :06:16.bill will be punching... Published for consultation next week -- will

:06:17. > :06:25.be published for consultation next week.

:06:26. > :06:51.CHEERING Friends, there is not a day that

:06:52. > :06:58.passes just now without someone advising me to hurry up with a

:06:59. > :07:03.referendum. There is not a day that passes just now without someone

:07:04. > :07:12.advising me to slow down. Welcome to my world. The responsibility of

:07:13. > :07:19.leadership is to act in the best interest, not just of our party but

:07:20. > :07:23.of our country as a whole. The morning after the referendum I said

:07:24. > :07:33.I would be guided at all times by a simple clear test, what is best for

:07:34. > :07:37.the people of Scotland? That is the principle I will continue to be

:07:38. > :07:39.guided by each and every day and I know I can count on your support

:07:40. > :07:59.every step of the way. There is one final point I want to

:08:00. > :08:04.make before our conference gets under way and it is an important

:08:05. > :08:08.one. If Scotland does come to take this decision again, whenever that

:08:09. > :08:16.might be, we must not take for granted how anyone will vote. It

:08:17. > :08:24.will be a new debate, not a rerun of 2014. We must not assume that

:08:25. > :08:29.people's views, yes or no, the same as two years ago. We must engage in

:08:30. > :08:34.arguments with a fresh eye and open mind. Their case for independence

:08:35. > :08:41.will have to be made and won but let us never lose sight of this, that we

:08:42. > :08:45.are one of the wealthiest nations on earth, rich in natural resources,

:08:46. > :08:51.world leaders in life sciences, technology and renewables, at the

:08:52. > :08:56.cutting edge of advanced manufacturing, in tourism and food

:08:57. > :09:02.and drink we are unrivalled, our foundations are strong so if the

:09:03. > :09:07.choice we face is an inward looking, insular wrecks site Britain governed

:09:08. > :09:13.by a right-wing Tory party obsessed with borders and blue passports at

:09:14. > :09:19.the expense of economic strength and stability, or a progressive Albert

:09:20. > :09:26.looking internationalist Scotland able to chart our own course and

:09:27. > :09:30.build our own security and prosperity then that is a case we

:09:31. > :09:53.will win. -- outward looking. Friends, we stand for a fairer,

:09:54. > :09:56.wealthier, outward looking, progressive Scotland. Let's get on

:09:57. > :10:23.and make it happen. That was Scotland's First Minister

:10:24. > :10:30.Nicola Sturgeon at the SNP Scotland in -- SNP conference in Glasgow.

:10:31. > :10:32.Joining me is our Political Correspondent Glenn Campbell,

:10:33. > :10:36.who is at the SNP confernece in Glasgow.

:10:37. > :10:46.A huge cheer for her when she reminded everyone that Scotland as a

:10:47. > :10:52.region did not vote to leave the EU. The majority in Scotland voted to

:10:53. > :10:56.remain and while Nicola Sturgeon has not today said that means she will

:10:57. > :11:00.now call another referendum on Scottish independence, she has made

:11:01. > :11:06.it crystal clear that it remains an option on the table that she wants

:11:07. > :11:10.to be in a position to call another referendum if she judges that it is

:11:11. > :11:15.the best way to protect what she sees as Scotland's interests,

:11:16. > :11:24.including the relationship with the EU. She said a draft bill for

:11:25. > :11:28.another referendum would be published for consultation next week

:11:29. > :11:33.and she wants to be in a position to put that into effect during the

:11:34. > :11:37.two-year negotiation process for Brexit ever the circumstances are

:11:38. > :11:42.such that she thinks that is the best way to go. In the meantime, she

:11:43. > :11:50.has spoken about working with other parties across the UK to try to

:11:51. > :11:54.ensure that Brexit does not mean the UK leaving the European single

:11:55. > :11:59.market and she is also working on separate plans to find a way for

:12:00. > :12:04.Scotland to remain in the European single market even if the rest of

:12:05. > :12:09.the UK comes out. The Prime Minister Theresa May said she is willing to

:12:10. > :12:14.listen to ideas from the Scottish Government on that but the signs are

:12:15. > :12:19.that the UK Government is not particularly keen to negotiate

:12:20. > :12:25.different forms of Brexit for different parts of the UK. Nicola

:12:26. > :12:27.Sturgeon is try to keep her options open as possible.

:12:28. > :12:33.Thank you very much. The supermarket giant Tesco

:12:34. > :12:35.is running down stocks of dozens of household items such as Marmite,

:12:36. > :12:38.Flora and PG Tips, because it's refusing to pay the higher prices

:12:39. > :12:43.demanded by their supplier. Unilever is believed to have blamed

:12:44. > :12:46.price hikes of around 10%