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:00:08. > :00:09.Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:24.The killings by psychiatric patients treated at the same mental health

:00:25. > :00:27.trust. More could have been done to prevent the deaths. We will be

:00:28. > :00:30.speaking to a man whose dad killed his mum.

:00:31. > :00:33.Ahead of schedule, that's the verdict from US forces engaged

:00:34. > :00:35.in retaking the Iraqi city of Mosul from Islamic state fighters.

:00:36. > :00:38.One and a half million civilians remain trapped in the city

:00:39. > :00:42.as the battle to force out IS enters its second day.

:00:43. > :01:05.From meetings at Number 10 - to hopes for a ten from Len?

:01:06. > :01:07.Not likely but the former shadow chancellor Ed Balls is certainly

:01:08. > :01:10.throwing everything he's got at it and he's with us this

:01:11. > :01:24.morning talking Strictly and life after politics.

:01:25. > :01:27.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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:01:38. > :01:40.One of England's largest mental health trusts has been severely

:01:41. > :01:43.criticised for failing to learn lessons and improve care

:01:44. > :01:45.after its patients killed 10 people in recent years.

:01:46. > :01:49.Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have "severely

:01:50. > :01:51.underestimated" the threat posed by psychiatric patients -

:01:52. > :01:59.Our social affairs correspondent, Michael Buchanan, reports.

:02:00. > :02:03.Roger Goswell stabbed his wife Susan to death at Christmas, 2007,

:02:04. > :02:08.The death's left Joe without his parents,

:02:09. > :02:12.Today's report says the killing was predictable.

:02:13. > :02:14.Roger Goswell had a history of mental health problems

:02:15. > :02:19.and had repeatedly threatened to kill his wife.

:02:20. > :02:22.If they had predicted it then they could have prevented it

:02:23. > :02:24.and I think my mother's life, there was no question

:02:25. > :02:26.that that was the case, they could have saved it,

:02:27. > :02:34.Ten people have been killed by patients of the health services

:02:35. > :02:38.The review into the deaths makes severe criticisms

:02:39. > :02:44.As well as Goswell's case, at least one killing was preventable.

:02:45. > :02:46.The trust severely underestimated the threat posed by

:02:47. > :02:52.Patients and their carers were often ignored in their pleas for help.

:02:53. > :02:53.The trust's chief executive has apologised and promised

:02:54. > :03:02.The central point for me is around culture and practice and ensuring

:03:03. > :03:08.that when something goes wrong it isn't localised to the area,

:03:09. > :03:12.but runs across the organisation, and that we're open to the fact that

:03:13. > :03:18.actually we need to learn and change practice in lots of cases.

:03:19. > :03:20.Families that have been failed are understandably sceptic

:03:21. > :03:26.They say that unless the NHS does learn lessons, many others

:03:27. > :03:39.We will talk to him live in the next few minutes.

:03:40. > :03:41.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:03:42. > :03:45.A 23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of rape

:03:46. > :03:47.following an alleged attack at the Houses of Parliament.

:03:48. > :03:49.The assault is alleged to have happened

:03:50. > :03:54.He's been released on bail pending further enquiries.

:03:55. > :03:58.America says Iraqi forces are "ahead of schedule" after the first day

:03:59. > :04:01.of the battle to retake the city of Mosul from the Islamic State

:04:02. > :04:06.It's the last IS stronghold in Iraq, and aid agencies

:04:07. > :04:11.are warning that the offensive could trigger a humanitarian crisis.

:04:12. > :04:14.The Pentagon says that so far, the offensive is going to plan.

:04:15. > :04:17.Our correspondent Jonathan Beale, is embedded with the Iraqi

:04:18. > :04:20.armed forces near Mosul, and in the last hour

:04:21. > :04:37.They have cleared 10 villages, they need to clear another 70. That's

:04:38. > :04:41.before they even reached the outskirts of muscle. Overnight they

:04:42. > :04:50.have not moved at all, since we left them last night. There were traces

:04:51. > :04:54.being fired as we arrived this morning, quite intensive, when they

:04:55. > :04:59.spotted a truck which could have been an Islamic State suicide truck.

:05:00. > :05:03.As I say, resistance has been pretty limited so far. They are expecting

:05:04. > :05:06.the baffled to be more intense the nearer they get to the city.

:05:07. > :05:08.Russia's defence minister says that Russian and Syrian

:05:09. > :05:10.forces have halted all airstrikes on the embattled

:05:11. > :05:17.The pause in bombardment is said to have begun about an hour ago.

:05:18. > :05:20.The city's been under intense attack from the regime - Moscow is now

:05:21. > :05:22.urging other countries to persuade rebel forces to lay down arms

:05:23. > :05:25.and leave the city, ahead of what's being called a 'humanitarian pause'

:05:26. > :05:32.The number of people kept waiting in an ambulance for more

:05:33. > :05:36.than an hour before being admitted to A has almost tripled

:05:37. > :05:40.in the last two years, to more than 76,000.

:05:41. > :05:46.The latest figures also reveal that last year more than 400

:05:47. > :05:48.thousand people waited for over half an hour.

:05:49. > :05:51.The Government says it's committed to delivering a safer NHS and has

:05:52. > :05:53.invested 10 billion pounds to transform its services.

:05:54. > :05:56.The figures were released to the Labour Party under a Freedom

:05:57. > :06:00.Less than half of England's grammar schools give priority to children

:06:01. > :06:04.from poorer families, a BBC investigation has found.

:06:05. > :06:07.Research into admissions policies finds that most don't take

:06:08. > :06:09.into account a child's eligibility for free school meals

:06:10. > :06:12.Our Education Editor Branwen Jeffreys reports.

:06:13. > :06:16.Just outside the classroom is inner-city Birmingham.

:06:17. > :06:20.Streets where most families have less money, so this grammar school

:06:21. > :06:27.Up to a quarter are kept for low income families,

:06:28. > :06:29.but not all schools are going that far, as our investigation

:06:30. > :06:34.There are 163 grammar schools in England.

:06:35. > :06:38.We've analysed the admissions policies of all of them.

:06:39. > :06:43.90 give no direct priority to low income pupils.

:06:44. > :06:47.21 have a quota, although some are just a few places.

:06:48. > :06:52.33 give priority when they are oversubscribed.

:06:53. > :06:55.And just a few use it as a tie-breaker.

:06:56. > :06:58.Nationally, 500 pupils from poor backgrounds attended

:06:59. > :07:03.If they were going to be truly representative, that should be

:07:04. > :07:09.Grammar schools argue they are changing -

:07:10. > :07:12.working with primary schools to encourage applications,

:07:13. > :07:16.or using postcodes to make admissions fairer.

:07:17. > :07:19.The government says it will make sure any new grammar

:07:20. > :07:22.schools give poorer pupils priority, as well as working

:07:23. > :07:28.But, for some existing grammar schools, there are still questions

:07:29. > :07:36.about how much harder they should be trying.

:07:37. > :07:40.The chairman of Ukip has denied the party is in a "death spiral",

:07:41. > :07:44.and says it's focused on choosing a new leader.

:07:45. > :07:46.Speaking on BBC breakfast, Paul Oakden said recent events

:07:47. > :07:49.involving MEP Steven Woolfe - who was admitted to hospital after

:07:50. > :07:53.an altercation with a colleague - had let down the party

:07:54. > :07:57.But he described yesterday's decision by Mr Woolfe to leave

:07:58. > :08:09.unfortunately, Stephen has chosen to leave her party. As a man of great

:08:10. > :08:16.talent and ability we are sad by that but we are going to focus on

:08:17. > :08:21.the next process for selecting our new leader. That's our focus and

:08:22. > :08:23.priority. We wish Stephen well but it is a side issue when we are

:08:24. > :08:25.focused on the bigger picture. The wife of the Republican

:08:26. > :08:27.Presidential candidate Donald Trump has described accusations of sexual

:08:28. > :08:29.assault against him as lies. In an interview on US television,

:08:30. > :08:32.Melania Trump insisted She also said that lewd comments

:08:33. > :08:36.Mr Trump made about women in 2005 were unacceptable but did not

:08:37. > :08:42.represent the man she knows. Those words were offensive to me

:08:43. > :08:46.and they were inappropriate. Britain's Olympic and Paralympic

:08:47. > :09:02.athletes will parade through Trafalgar Square in London

:09:03. > :09:05.this afternoon before a reception with the Queen

:09:06. > :09:08.and The Duke of Edinburgh Yesterday, thousands of people

:09:09. > :09:11.braved the rain and lined the streets of Manchester

:09:12. > :09:13.to celebrate Team GB The athletes surpassed expectations

:09:14. > :09:18.in Rio by bringing home more medals than they won on home soil

:09:19. > :09:40.during the London 2012 Games. That is the latest BBC News. Would

:09:41. > :09:43.you want your childpos-mac School photo photo shopped to make it look

:09:44. > :09:56.better? At least 1 mother is not happy. What do you reckon? If your

:09:57. > :10:01.own children have had school photos with that offer, do let me know and

:10:02. > :10:05.we will have you on the programme. There was a big game in the Premier

:10:06. > :10:12.League but it was not that interesting. It did not live up to

:10:13. > :10:16.the billing. Two teams with big title aspirations who ended up

:10:17. > :10:22.cancelling each other out. Jose Mourinho will be the happier of the

:10:23. > :10:28.managers. This was their best chance of the match. We'll be disappointed

:10:29. > :10:38.he did not score. Two very good chances for Liverpool. Another good

:10:39. > :10:43.opportunity for Liverpool to have won it, and it came from Philippe

:10:44. > :10:46.Coutinho. A victory for Liverpool would have moved them to the top of

:10:47. > :10:51.the table level on points with Manchester City and Arsenal. Jose

:10:52. > :10:55.Mourinho, as he always does, stifling the opposition, inventing

:10:56. > :10:58.them from playing. He will be the happier of the two managers after

:10:59. > :11:04.the match. This is what he had to say. The control of the game was

:11:05. > :11:11.ours, even the reaction, it was disappointment. They are playing

:11:12. > :11:23.very well. You make them play even better. People expected us to come

:11:24. > :11:30.here and be in trouble. We were not. Football is a results game, we need

:11:31. > :11:37.results, nil nil against Manchester United, nobody will sure this game

:11:38. > :11:46.in history, ten, 20 years, this game will not be part of it. But we could

:11:47. > :11:51.have played better. Manchester City have made a big statement this

:11:52. > :12:00.morning. Yes, they've posted record profits of ?20 million. It was very

:12:01. > :12:08.interesting to see the project they've been developing since they

:12:09. > :12:13.were took in over -- taken over. They've enjoyed a period of success

:12:14. > :12:23.on the pitch since then, winning two league titles. I guess these are a

:12:24. > :12:29.real improvement. Last year they posted profits of ?11 million. Now

:12:30. > :12:35.it's up to ?20 million. It goes to show how successful the project they

:12:36. > :12:46.are building is, having expanded the side. The team trains alongside the

:12:47. > :12:51.stadium. I guess this shows that the investment is literally paying off.

:12:52. > :12:59.People use that word every time we too much, talk to you later.

:13:00. > :13:02.Just over a year ago, there was a minor collision between two cars.

:13:03. > :13:08.From nowhere, one of the drivers stabbed the other 39 times,

:13:09. > :13:15.And what we hear today is even more disturbing.

:13:16. > :13:17.An inquiry report reveals that the killer's mother had

:13:18. > :13:21.previously pleaded with doctors to section him under

:13:22. > :13:26.That death should never have happened.

:13:27. > :13:29.This was just one of ten killings by mentally ill patients under

:13:30. > :13:33.the care of a single NHS Foundation Trust -

:13:34. > :13:38.We're going to speak now to the son of one of those victims.

:13:39. > :13:40.Joe Goswell's mum Sue Goswell was killed by her 66-year-old

:13:41. > :13:44.husband Roger, Joe's dad, who was released from a psychiatric

:13:45. > :13:52.And Sue's inquest was told of a series of shortfalls by medical

:13:53. > :14:10.The report today says this was predictable. Could you explain to

:14:11. > :14:23.our audience why? I'd love to know that myself. My father told the

:14:24. > :14:31.hospital staff he wanted to murder my mother, he said how we wanted to

:14:32. > :14:37.do it in graphic detail when she visited him in the hospital room. He

:14:38. > :14:44.told us as children in graphic details. He asked for electric shock

:14:45. > :14:49.treatment to get rid of the thoughts in his head because he wanted to end

:14:50. > :15:00.his own life and he thought, 46 years of marriage, he wanted to end

:15:01. > :15:04.his life but my mother was his possession and because of that he

:15:05. > :15:09.wanted to take her with him. So he told the staff this, they did not

:15:10. > :15:16.take this seriously, they asked me whether he was a violent man and I

:15:17. > :15:17.said he was a very strict upbringing, whatever he said went. I

:15:18. > :15:29.would take it seriously. For him to say that he had these

:15:30. > :15:33.thoughts and he wanted electric shock treatment, they should have

:15:34. > :15:40.taken him more seriously than what they did. I think he moved from the

:15:41. > :15:45.Sussex Partnership area to the Hove Priory, but his notes weren't passed

:15:46. > :15:52.on. They asked me to, they asked whether I would drive my father to

:15:53. > :15:57.the Priory along with my mother. He then replied, "Well, if I was to do,

:15:58. > :16:01.he would grab hold of the steering wheel and veer it into the barriers

:16:02. > :16:05.trying to kill us." As a result of that, we chose not to. The doctors

:16:06. > :16:13.were aware of that and so they chose to send him by ambulance. They

:16:14. > :16:18.didn't know full well that he could possibly murder someone or murder my

:16:19. > :16:21.mother. They didn't handcuff him or didn't send the notes over. So it

:16:22. > :16:27.was, you know, when you think about that, how dangerous that was at the

:16:28. > :16:30.time, didn't send any notes over to the Priory and they were then

:16:31. > :16:33.working without any notes at all when someone was being predicted

:16:34. > :16:39.that he could possibly go on to murder, one would have thought that

:16:40. > :16:42.they should have received that and made that priority this. Is grave

:16:43. > :16:46.failings within the NHS and certainly, great failings with our

:16:47. > :16:51.case as well. What do you make of this review that? That the Trust and

:16:52. > :16:56.NHS England commissioned which found in a number of cases including your

:16:57. > :17:02.own, the process to assess patients was inadequate and the risk posed by

:17:03. > :17:05.the patient went under rock niced or -- recognised or was severely under

:17:06. > :17:08.estimated? Nine years when the inquest came out, there were 14

:17:09. > :17:12.failures. They said they were going to make changes and learn by the

:17:13. > :17:18.mistakes and clearly they haven't. It was a mile from where I live,

:17:19. > :17:23.that another murder had taken place from a person suffering from mental

:17:24. > :17:27.health issues and we are nine years on saying they are going to do.

:17:28. > :17:31.Actions speak louder than words and yet nothing seems to be done. We're

:17:32. > :17:35.apprehensive about what they are saying. They said they have written

:17:36. > :17:44.to me, which they haven't. They haven't informed me that the report

:17:45. > :17:47.was coming out. We are at a sad time of year which was Christmas which

:17:48. > :17:51.was the time that the incident happened and here we are living the

:17:52. > :17:58.whole experience again. Very, very painful. Very painful for my two

:17:59. > :18:02.boys and my nieces and nephews. It has been very hard for them. We have

:18:03. > :18:05.never had a Christmas since this happened between us as a family

:18:06. > :18:10.because we find it too tough. Exceptionally tough. Very sad times

:18:11. > :18:15.ahead. I mean, you talk about the lack of communication so far from

:18:16. > :18:21.this trust. But from what you hear about the review, they have

:18:22. > :18:24.commissioned, they are, I mean, they are accepting a reasonable list of

:18:25. > :18:31.failures. They are accepting that. Yes. I understand that's good, but

:18:32. > :18:34.they say they're going to implement these things, let's wait and see,

:18:35. > :18:37.let's hope within five years time they can give us the report from

:18:38. > :18:42.this today's date and say there has been a dramatic fall in numbers of

:18:43. > :18:46.deaths to do with mental health patients of the that's when we can

:18:47. > :18:54.actually say well, that's worked. At this stage it hasn't because it has

:18:55. > :18:58.got worse in the nine years that my mother was taken from us. Thank you

:18:59. > :19:03.very much, Joe. The Chief Executive of the trust

:19:04. > :19:07.offered his sin veer apology and condolences to the families. They

:19:08. > :19:11.have done everything possible to respond to the tragic incidents

:19:12. > :19:15.adding, "This review sends us a strong message about the need to

:19:16. > :19:19.identify and embed learning when things go wrong in a way that does

:19:20. > :19:21.change clinical practise and behaviour." As you heard from Joe,

:19:22. > :19:27.something that he is looking for. It's the biggest military

:19:28. > :19:30.undertaking in Iraq for several years and now the battle to take

:19:31. > :19:32.the city of Mosul has America has said that Iraqi forces

:19:33. > :19:37.are "ahead of schedule", but IS is also claiming to have

:19:38. > :19:40.destroyed armoured vehicles 1.5 million civilians

:19:41. > :19:46.are currently in Mosul, where they've spent two years under

:19:47. > :19:51.the brutal IS regime. They now face an impossible choice

:19:52. > :19:53.between trying to flee or stay and risk being trapped

:19:54. > :20:01.in a full scale battle. Our correspondent Jonathan Beale,

:20:02. > :20:06.is embedded with the Iraqi With me now is Dr eh Bassiri

:20:07. > :20:09.Tabrizi, a Middle East expert at the Royal United Services

:20:10. > :20:12.Institute. We can also speak to

:20:13. > :20:14.Dr Tarik Al-Kubaisy Karl Chembri is from the Norwegian

:20:15. > :20:24.Refugee Council, a charity that's Steven Nabil,

:20:25. > :20:29.an Iraqi American journalist who was on the frontline

:20:30. > :20:36.several days ago. Welcome all of you. I wonder if I

:20:37. > :20:44.can start with you Stephen if I may. You've just come back from there.

:20:45. > :20:50.What did you see? I was there a few days ago and I visited the Peshmerga

:20:51. > :20:55.forces and meeting with the UN officers and trying to figure out

:20:56. > :21:06.are we ready to take the influx of people coming out? The military

:21:07. > :21:10.morale was very high. The troops are preparing to welcome the people

:21:11. > :21:15.after the occupation of Isis. So everything was ready to go and it is

:21:16. > :21:20.translating yesterday on the ground where several villages were already

:21:21. > :21:24.liberated ahead of schedule in the Peshmerga and Iraqi forces did what

:21:25. > :21:31.they were supposed to do ahead of schedule. I know people in Mosul

:21:32. > :21:34.risk being executed if IS catch them with a mobile phone. I know you are

:21:35. > :21:39.in contact with some. What are they telling you? They wanted to tell the

:21:40. > :21:43.world, most of them have not talked to their families for months or

:21:44. > :21:47.weeks and it was for the first time they were getting, the first thing

:21:48. > :21:51.they did is they communicated with the military. They told on IS and

:21:52. > :21:55.gave the locations, everything they saw in the city and they just wanted

:21:56. > :21:59.to be part of the fight and they wanted to tell the world that the

:22:00. > :22:02.people of Mosul are anti-Isis and we're going to fight back and get

:22:03. > :22:07.our city back. They're scared of being caught so they were asking us

:22:08. > :22:13.not to publish the pictures so Isis can't determine the homes that the

:22:14. > :22:16.pictures were taken out of, but they were very co-operative and they are

:22:17. > :22:20.going to be a very helpful hand in the coming days. You lived and

:22:21. > :22:25.studied in Iraq's second city. You have many family members still

:22:26. > :22:29.living in the city. What are they telling you about their daily life

:22:30. > :22:39.and how it has been? Well, good morning. Actually it is extremely

:22:40. > :22:45.worrying time for us. My wife and also the families there. We haven't

:22:46. > :22:51.been able to get in touch with them for weeks and it is an extremely

:22:52. > :23:00.worrying time. The last few times when we have been in contact they

:23:01. > :23:09.were actually in extreme mess. They were psychologically shattered. They

:23:10. > :23:14.were an ambivalent state. They don't know if they stay or try to leave.

:23:15. > :23:21.Some of the family members tried to leave and then they have been caught

:23:22. > :23:30.and one of them has been battered and then hardly they have been able

:23:31. > :23:35.to return back with some ransom. The other members, especially the

:23:36. > :23:40.elderly ones for example, my mother-in-law, she is an elderly

:23:41. > :23:48.lady with dementia and it is very difficult to try even to take care

:23:49. > :23:52.and to take her away from there so they have decided to stay at home

:23:53. > :23:59.with all the consequences and you know, there is no safe haven.

:24:00. > :24:04.Wherever you are, if you are able to flee from Isis then the lovely

:24:05. > :24:11.bombardment from all the aircrafts and the artillery will catch you and

:24:12. > :24:19.it's very worrying times. It is absolutely no choice. I want to

:24:20. > :24:24.bring in Karl. You are effectively helping people who are fleeing the

:24:25. > :24:29.area. How many civilians are you expecting over the next few days?

:24:30. > :24:33.Well, so far nobody has managed to come out of Mosul city. We have been

:24:34. > :24:41.helping people who have fled the villages and towns south of Mosul.

:24:42. > :24:45.Over 100,000 people have fled in the last month. Sorry to interrupt,

:24:46. > :24:49.Karl, no one yet has come out of Mosul. Do you take that to mean

:24:50. > :24:54.there are people who want to flee and can't, or that people are decide

:24:55. > :24:58.to go stay? How do you read it? It's difficult to say. The little contact

:24:59. > :25:02.that we have with some people in there. We know that they are

:25:03. > :25:05.terrified. Most of them are staying in their houses. They don't know

:25:06. > :25:09.what is going to happen in the next hours and days. The information we

:25:10. > :25:15.have is that the troops are still out of the city. So there isn't yet

:25:16. > :25:20.the intense fighting that we're so concerned about and as the previous

:25:21. > :25:24.speaker said, the actual safe exits, they don't exist yet. We don't know

:25:25. > :25:28.know of any safe routes out for the civilians. There are 1.2 million

:25:29. > :25:33.people inside Mosul. There is no safe way out and we have seen in the

:25:34. > :25:37.previous scenarios like in Falluja where people were told actually that

:25:38. > :25:42.there were safe routes out and they were killed by snipers, by explosive

:25:43. > :25:48.devices, by land mines as they were trying to escape. Children, elderly

:25:49. > :25:52.people, the disabled, the most vulnerable. We haven't been able to

:25:53. > :25:55.go into Mosul for the last one-and-a-half years now. We don't

:25:56. > :25:59.know the full extent of the humanitarian situation inside. We

:26:00. > :26:03.just know that people are terrified and faced with the bleakest of

:26:04. > :26:09.choices. Either stay there, where they are, under Isis or try and

:26:10. > :26:13.escape and get shot at or else face the artillery fire that is going to

:26:14. > :26:19.ensue. It is a desperate, desperate situation. As a Middle East expert,

:26:20. > :26:22.let me bring you, can you explain to our audience whereas Iraq's second

:26:23. > :26:27.city Mosul is so strategically important? Well, the fight in Mosul

:26:28. > :26:36.is very important for particularly one reason. The fact that the leader

:26:37. > :26:42.of Isis announced the caliphate from Mosul from the Great Mosque in Mosul

:26:43. > :26:47.in June 2014. This means that a fight with Isis in Mosul does not

:26:48. > :26:51.only represent a territorial fight against a group and potentially the

:26:52. > :26:57.biggest territorial victory against the group because it is the most

:26:58. > :27:01.populace city that Isis has under its control, but it is symbolically

:27:02. > :27:09.important because it means the project of the caliphate is under

:27:10. > :27:13.concrete threat. So under threat. It stops them continuing to build the

:27:14. > :27:19.caliphate across Iraq and Syria? Exactly. Would you be able to go as

:27:20. > :27:22.far to say this could be the beginning of the end for the group,

:27:23. > :27:25.Islamic State or not? It is difficult to say. We can see from

:27:26. > :27:29.the developments right now, it is hard to see how Isis is going to

:27:30. > :27:35.react to the fight. Now, we are seeing that they are likely to go

:27:36. > :27:40.into resist. There are 3.5 to 5,000 Isis fighters in Mosul and of

:27:41. > :27:45.course, there is the fear that they might flee and run into Syria

:27:46. > :27:51.basically leading the fight into another country, but you know, like

:27:52. > :27:59.not being defeated completely or lead to the group to re-created in a

:28:00. > :28:03.different shape, either going back to Europe through foreign fighters

:28:04. > :28:08.or refugees as it has happened in the past, so I think it is very

:28:09. > :28:13.difficult to know what kind of shape Isis will have afterwards. In terms

:28:14. > :28:18.of territorial victory I think Mosul represents a crucial step to getting

:28:19. > :28:24.the caliphate reduced and the territory reduced, but that doesn't

:28:25. > :28:29.necessarily mean an ideological victory against Isis. There is a

:28:30. > :28:34.reason why they had so much support in Iraq and Syria and particularly

:28:35. > :28:37.in Iraq and these are the grievances against the country, against the

:28:38. > :28:42.Government particularly the discrimination against the Sunnis.

:28:43. > :28:46.So I think it is very difficult to know whether the popularity of the

:28:47. > :28:51.group of this kind of extremism will be defeated completely. OK. And

:28:52. > :28:56.that's definitely worth keeping in mind, but when you hear the US say,

:28:57. > :29:00."Look, we are ahead of schedule in terms of re-taking Mosul. A, do you

:29:01. > :29:03.believe it? B, does that mean the Iraqi Government forces with its

:29:04. > :29:07.coalition allies are going to win the Battle of Mosul? I mean, it is

:29:08. > :29:12.very hard to tell how things are going to develop. Even the Iraqi

:29:13. > :29:16.Army is talking about weeks, months, for the battle to take place. It is

:29:17. > :29:22.not a hit-and-run kind of operation and the reason is first of all the

:29:23. > :29:26.civilians that we're hearing about. There are 1.5 million civilians

:29:27. > :29:33.trapped and one of the things that the Government has requested is for

:29:34. > :29:38.the civilians to avoid fleeing from Mosul, to basically avoid that, they

:29:39. > :29:42.could be used as shields, human shields by Isis. So that makes

:29:43. > :29:46.operations they difficult. That makes airstrikes very difficult.

:29:47. > :29:52.Clearing the areas, it is going to take time and again, we have to keep

:29:53. > :29:56.in mind that some of the Isis fighters might hide within the

:29:57. > :30:02.civilian population and therefore, try to escape through that route. So

:30:03. > :30:06.I think it's going to take a long time to have Mosul area, we are

:30:07. > :30:10.talking about an area right now, if the operation is actually

:30:11. > :30:16.succeeding, we are talking about villages being liberated, not

:30:17. > :30:21.actually Mosul. So we are operating in this area and we know the

:30:22. > :30:25.Peshmerga forces in the east of Mosul have liberated ten villages

:30:26. > :30:30.and the Iraqi Government, the Iraqi army is operating from the south. So

:30:31. > :30:33.even if these kind of operations are actually succeeding at the moment,

:30:34. > :30:42.the actual take of Mosul will take much longer.

:30:43. > :30:51.is a if this could take weeks, if not months, will we see a desperate

:30:52. > :30:54.humanitarian situation unfold? Absolutely. This would be the

:30:55. > :31:03.strangulation of an entire population. This bleak dilemma will

:31:04. > :31:09.come to the fore. How will my colleagues on the ground get into

:31:10. > :31:16.the city and provide the aid desperately needed? It is a huge

:31:17. > :31:26.city and a huge population and we don't know which areas are full of

:31:27. > :31:35.snipers. We cannot go on right now. These people are going to run out of

:31:36. > :31:43.supplies. There is no water or electricity. Winter will come, it is

:31:44. > :31:48.around the corner, it will be freezing. It is desperate. The

:31:49. > :31:55.quicker this operation is concluded, the better. Equally important to

:31:56. > :32:07.establish humanitarian corridors for us to go in. One thing that needs to

:32:08. > :32:17.be said within the context, the way this operation has helped, the way

:32:18. > :32:24.the people who flee will be treated. It will determine the future of the

:32:25. > :32:33.rock. This is beyond a battle, it is about the future. Thanks for coming

:32:34. > :32:42.onto the programme. We will keep you up-to-date with what happens in the

:32:43. > :32:45.struggle to take control of Mosul. We will bring you the latest news

:32:46. > :32:54.and sport in the next couple of minutes. Also, former Shadow

:32:55. > :32:55.Chancellor -- former Chancellor Ed Balls will be talking life after

:32:56. > :32:58.politics. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:32:59. > :33:01.with a summary of today's news. One of England's largest mental

:33:02. > :33:04.health trusts has been severely criticised for failing to learn

:33:05. > :33:06.lessons and improve care after its patients killed 10

:33:07. > :33:09.people in recent years Sussex Partnership NHS Trust

:33:10. > :33:11.was found to have "severely underestimated" the threat posed

:33:12. > :33:32.by psychiatric patients - The latest UK inflation figures have

:33:33. > :33:37.been released. It rose by 1% in the year to September, compared with a

:33:38. > :33:41.0.6% rise in August. The rate in September was the highest when it

:33:42. > :33:44.was 1%. America says Iraqi forces are "ahead

:33:45. > :33:47.of schedule" after the first day of the battle to retake the city

:33:48. > :33:50.of Mosul from the Islamic State It's the last IS stronghold

:33:51. > :33:54.in Iraq, and aid agencies are warning that the offensive

:33:55. > :33:56.could trigger a humanitarian crisis. The Pentagon says that so far,

:33:57. > :33:59.the offensive is going to plan. Aid agencies are warning

:34:00. > :34:01.the offensive could trigger The Iraqi government

:34:02. > :34:08.throws everything it has A coalition of 30,000 Iraqi

:34:09. > :34:14.and Kurdish Peshmerga forces, backed by Western air strikes,

:34:15. > :34:17.advance on so-called Islamic State's last major

:34:18. > :34:22.stronghold in the country. The first phase of the operation

:34:23. > :34:24.is slow and careful, with at least 4,000 IS troops

:34:25. > :34:27.still thought to be in Mosul. The Iraqi army heading

:34:28. > :34:31.in from the south is taking And it wasn't long before

:34:32. > :34:39.they faced their first sign of resistance -

:34:40. > :34:42.a tank fired at a truck bomber, The Kurdish Peshmerga,

:34:43. > :34:45.moving in from the south, encountered its own approaching car

:34:46. > :34:50.bomb and soon destroyed it. The Prime Minister said

:34:51. > :34:57.he would like to wrap this up We would like to do this as quickly

:34:58. > :35:03.as possible, but it will be on the Iraqi calendar,

:35:04. > :35:05.the Iraqi timeline. But there are fears this fight could

:35:06. > :35:08.end in a humanitarian disaster. A million inhabitants may need food

:35:09. > :35:11.and shelter and they could be There were leaflets dropped over

:35:12. > :35:14.the city just ahead of this offensive by Iraqi security forces,

:35:15. > :35:20.telling civilians to stay inside, to lock their doors,

:35:21. > :35:22.to turn off gas pipes, there was a fear of explosions

:35:23. > :35:27.obviously, and to Whether this will be seen

:35:28. > :35:32.as a victory for the Iraqi government depends entirely on what

:35:33. > :35:38.happens to Mosul's civilians. A 23-year-old man has been arrested

:35:39. > :35:41.on suspicion of rape following an alleged attack

:35:42. > :35:46.at the Houses of Parliament. The assault is alleged

:35:47. > :35:48.to have happened He's been released on bail bailed

:35:49. > :35:57.pending further enquiries. A BBC investigation has found that

:35:58. > :36:00.less than half of the grammar schools in England give priority

:36:01. > :36:02.to children from poorer families. The government, which wants

:36:03. > :36:04.to increase the number of selective schools in England,

:36:05. > :36:07.says it's consulting on ways The wife of the Republican

:36:08. > :36:11.Presidential candidate Donald Trump has described accusations of sexual

:36:12. > :36:13.assault against him as lies. In an interview on US television,

:36:14. > :36:18.Melania Trump insisted She also said that lewd comments

:36:19. > :36:33.Mr Trump made about women in 2005 were unacceptable but did not

:36:34. > :36:35.represent the man she knows. That's a summary of

:36:36. > :36:37.the latest BBC News. Here's John Watson now

:36:38. > :36:47.with the morning sports headlines. Hardly a classic between two of the

:36:48. > :36:50.Premier League's big hitters. Liverpool and Manchester United

:36:51. > :36:55.played out a drab goalless trough. One of the best chances fell to

:36:56. > :36:58.Philip Coutinho but the goalkeeper produced a great save. They missed

:36:59. > :37:03.the chance to move level on points with Manchester City and Arsenal.

:37:04. > :37:07.Plenty for the Premier League table toppers to be happy about. They've

:37:08. > :37:23.posted record profits of ?20 million. It follows a takeover of

:37:24. > :37:29.the club in 2008. Mark Cavendish would not speculate over the

:37:30. > :37:34.situation of British Cycling. He said, whether I believe him or not,

:37:35. > :37:38.I'm just speculating, I will let him deal with it. 11 months after

:37:39. > :37:42.returning to Rugby League, Sam Burgess will captain the Rugby

:37:43. > :37:46.League side in the upcoming campaign. He says the criticism of

:37:47. > :37:51.his time in rugby union was unfair. We are back with more at 10am. That

:37:52. > :38:02.is literally all the sport. Inflation is up. These are the

:38:03. > :38:11.figures of September. Up from what to what? Up from 0.6% to 1%. It is a

:38:12. > :38:16.little bit higher-than-expected but a significant rise was on the cards.

:38:17. > :38:19.What is striking is that a lot of people were putting this expectation

:38:20. > :38:28.down to the fall in the value of the pound. The Office of National

:38:29. > :38:34.Statistics say there is no evidence the pound is pushing up this. The

:38:35. > :38:40.things that have gone up have been motor fuels, who tells, the price of

:38:41. > :38:48.clothing, with an offset coming from inner fears. What could be behind

:38:49. > :38:53.it? It could be underlying that to some extent because some of these

:38:54. > :39:02.goods, clothing, a significant amount is imported, and fuel is

:39:03. > :39:06.priced in dollars. It could be that it's a little further back in the

:39:07. > :39:12.supply chain but there is no explicit evidence to say that. Just

:39:13. > :39:16.to explain the link, when we import stuff, what we import is more

:39:17. > :39:22.expensive. Typically, the people buying it will need to pay the costs

:39:23. > :39:29.of it in foreign currency and it will cost them more. It's gone up

:39:30. > :39:34.for September but is still way below the Bank of England targets. Indeed.

:39:35. > :39:38.You'd need to see if it stays at this kind of level it would

:39:39. > :39:43.certainly not be a problem. The Bank of England would wanted to go a

:39:44. > :39:51.little higher. And beer in mind, wages have been rising. For the time

:39:52. > :39:59.being, real living standards are keeping pace with price rises. The

:40:00. > :40:06.decline in the value of the pound will take time to fully make itself

:40:07. > :40:14.felt. Most economists will tell you it will get a good deal higher. They

:40:15. > :40:21.are expecting inflation to exceed their target. Some people will tell

:40:22. > :40:25.you buy a significant margin. But the bank think it is going to be a

:40:26. > :40:32.one-off thing that will dissipate over time. They probably won't worry

:40:33. > :40:37.about it hugely. We will talk to a woman who runs her own business

:40:38. > :40:51.after ten, she import a lot of her own goods.

:40:52. > :41:00.Donald Trump is my wife thinks it is just bite. It is the first interview

:41:01. > :41:11.since the tape of the TV host emerged where he boasts about sexual

:41:12. > :41:15.misconduct. Melania Trump spoke about her image being used. Those

:41:16. > :41:25.words were offensive to me and they were inappropriate and he apologised

:41:26. > :41:32.to me and I accept his apology. We are moving on. What were your

:41:33. > :41:38.thoughts when you heard those tapes? This is not the man that I know. Is

:41:39. > :41:48.it fair for the media to bring up Bill Clinton's past? He did bring up

:41:49. > :41:55.my past, why not? They are asking for it. They started from the

:41:56. > :42:02.beginning of the campaign putting my picture from modelling days, as you

:42:03. > :42:15.want that to the first Lady. I worked very hard. Good morning.

:42:16. > :42:20.Finding the right partner in the superficial dating world is not

:42:21. > :42:27.easy. In a bid to prove appearances are not everything, one Japanese

:42:28. > :42:36.company is using surgical masks to force their clients to concentrate

:42:37. > :42:44.on character. Interesting. Some say the eyes are the windows to the soul

:42:45. > :42:55.and eyes are all these daters have to go on.

:42:56. > :43:05.To achieve marriage it is important to provide people with the

:43:06. > :43:08.opportunity in the early stages of a relationship to see personality,

:43:09. > :43:11.rather than start with their appearance. That is why we use

:43:12. > :43:17.surgical masks. They are an important tool for that. With

:43:18. > :43:20.declining birth rates, dating services in Japan are gaining

:43:21. > :43:24.popularity. The singles in this room are not given up on finding the one

:43:25. > :43:28.but in a digital world where online dating is the norm they feel

:43:29. > :43:35.superficial first impressions are getting in the way. People come to

:43:36. > :43:40.this event looking for someone with personalities or from the start I

:43:41. > :43:47.felt confident, not being judged by my appearance I was able to be more

:43:48. > :43:51.outgoing with women? I think I was able to find a more about their

:43:52. > :43:55.inner selves and not just judge them by their looks. In this event,

:43:56. > :44:01.personality matters. I quite like that. It worked. These young women

:44:02. > :44:09.have landed themselves a second double date and this time they might

:44:10. > :44:16.leave the masks at home. There you go.

:44:17. > :44:23.Before last year's election, Ed Balls had a chance of being

:44:24. > :44:27.Chancellor, but he was dealt a low blow when he was booted out of his

:44:28. > :44:34.Parliamentary seat. As he put it in his book, I thought there was a

:44:35. > :44:40.chance I would be delivering Britain's next budget and a second

:44:41. > :44:44.later, my political career was over. He went back to Harvard University,

:44:45. > :44:58.became chairman of his football team, and joined Strictly.

:44:59. > :45:35.Ready to tighten your belt, Chancellor?

:45:36. > :45:38.Dancing the waltz, Ed Balls and Katya Jones.

:45:39. > :45:47.The former Chief Executive of EDS, who I was just talking to a few

:45:48. > :45:52.Of course, he is a big supporter of ours.

:45:53. > :45:55.To be honest, his surname has just gone from my head,

:45:56. > :45:58.which is a bit annoying at this time of night.

:45:59. > :46:12.And as a result, his economic and fiscal

:46:13. > :46:24.Yes, I'm not going to sort of paint my face green any time

:46:25. > :46:32.Any personal disappointment I have at this result is as nothing

:46:33. > :46:35.compared to the sense of sorrow I have at the result that Labour has

:46:36. > :47:26.He's here. It is a mad, mad world to go from that to this! I know. It is

:47:27. > :47:29.fabulous actually. Is it? I don't think I would have thought that I

:47:30. > :47:32.would have done the different things that I'm doing at the moment. Of

:47:33. > :47:35.course, it was a terrible result for Labour and for me I had a marginal

:47:36. > :47:39.seat, but I came out of Parliament and I have ended up doing a series

:47:40. > :47:44.of things which I never thought I'd get the chance to do. Are you

:47:45. > :47:47.happier? The thing about politics and especially if you are a Cabinet

:47:48. > :47:50.Minister, it is so important what you're doing and it is deeply

:47:51. > :47:54.fulfilling. It is changing people's lives in a small way and a huge way

:47:55. > :47:58.across the country and I don't have that anymore, but on the other hand,

:47:59. > :48:04.you know, I have no idea what I'm going to do next year, but I don't

:48:05. > :48:07.think I mind. I'm doing a series of things which are just intrinsically

:48:08. > :48:10.enjoyable and warm. Strictly Come Dancing, I mean, it is quite tacking

:48:11. > :48:14.and painful and it is quite stressful. On the other hand, people

:48:15. > :48:20.love it so much that it is really nice to be part of something so warm

:48:21. > :48:23.and positive and people in the street these days, they yell out

:48:24. > :48:27.good things all the time. Whereas in the old days, it was never clear

:48:28. > :48:32.which way it was going to go. So how would you assess, how you're doing

:48:33. > :48:36.on Strictly so far? Well, I'm... I have to do a double take. We have

:48:37. > :48:40.had the inflation figures, I cannot believe I'm asking you about

:48:41. > :48:44.Strictly as opposed to asking you about inflation which I'm not going

:48:45. > :48:49.to do because' not in office, you're not an elected MP. It is surreal?

:48:50. > :48:52.I'm worrying about Brexit and the Government and the Labour Party,

:48:53. > :48:57.however, my biggest worry at the moment is my American Smooth Foxtrot

:48:58. > :49:00.which I've got to do in four days time and you start on a Monday

:49:01. > :49:04.totally cold, never having done it ever before and you have got to get

:49:05. > :49:10.to a performance stage in four or five days. I'm stressed about that.

:49:11. > :49:14.I'm sore because I discovered I've got gloots and they really hurt.

:49:15. > :49:18.They are working again. It is quite something. I surpassed my

:49:19. > :49:22.expectations, I wanted to get through the first week, I didn't

:49:23. > :49:26.want to go out on the first public vote and I've gone through and I'm

:49:27. > :49:30.probably the worst dancer, but that's no surprise, but people are

:49:31. > :49:33.enjoying it and they can, I think, see that we're trying hard and

:49:34. > :49:39.trying to do better and Strictly is all about trying to learn and to

:49:40. > :49:44.improve and I've got a great partner in Katya. We're doing our best and

:49:45. > :49:47.every week is a he bonus now. You were late this morning and I

:49:48. > :49:51.suggested to you earlier that you've taken this show business lifestyle

:49:52. > :49:55.to heart. That's why you were so late, but you were late. Tell our

:49:56. > :49:59.audience what happened? We were in a car and in front of us, a lorry was

:50:00. > :50:02.turning right and some other driver decided to overtake on the other

:50:03. > :50:06.side, careered off the road on to the payment, just missed two people,

:50:07. > :50:10.and then reversed and went charging off again. We stopped and we got his

:50:11. > :50:15.numberplate and we reported it and gave our contacts. So we had a dash

:50:16. > :50:20.to get here for the show, but... A witness to a hit-and-run on the way.

:50:21. > :50:23.It was total crazy driving and luckily the people who he almost hit

:50:24. > :50:29.didn't get hurt, but it could have been really, really terrible. So I

:50:30. > :50:32.think it says every day you've got to know that it could be, you know,

:50:33. > :50:36.the last day. So you've always got to enjoy every day. Is that how you

:50:37. > :50:41.saw it when you witnessed that? I did think that. Life is so random

:50:42. > :50:44.and uncertain and you never know what's going to happen and you can't

:50:45. > :50:48.think about that too much, but I think it also means if you spend

:50:49. > :50:53.your whole life thinking in ten years time or 20 years I will

:50:54. > :50:58.achieve or be fulfilled, that could be debilitating. I do think, I'm at

:50:59. > :51:01.the stage in my life where I think I want to enjoy every day and make

:51:02. > :51:05.sure I see our kids growing up and the next stage of their lives and I

:51:06. > :51:09.want to make sure I do things which are fun and enjoyable. You know, I

:51:10. > :51:14.sort of hanker after the purpose which I used to have in politics,

:51:15. > :51:18.but that was taken away by the electorate and that's right and role

:51:19. > :51:26.and so, it is a different face. Yeah. Totally agree. Obviously you

:51:27. > :51:29.can be on Strictly and chairman of Norwich City because you lost your

:51:30. > :51:33.seat in 2015 and you say in your book the most emotional part of that

:51:34. > :51:37.was hearing and finding out that your children had watched you lose.

:51:38. > :51:44.Tell bus that. Because we all watched that moment? I was in a

:51:45. > :51:50.hotel room from midnight until 7.30am on my own with my press guy

:51:51. > :51:54.guy and I had time to think it all through and understand what was

:51:55. > :51:57.happening and prepare, I was quite calm because I knew there was going

:51:58. > :52:01.to be a Conservative majority. I didn't really want to have another

:52:02. > :52:05.five years of Opposition, it was Labour's turn, sorry, it was

:52:06. > :52:08.Yvette's turn to go for the leadership of the party and

:52:09. > :52:13.therefore, I was better out of the way, but I didn't find out until

:52:14. > :52:20.afterwards that my son had stayed up all night waiting for the result.

:52:21. > :52:23.How old is he? He's 15. My other daughter came back and didn't know

:52:24. > :52:26.the result because she wouldn't be able to concentrate. Lots of

:52:27. > :52:30.people's hopes and expectations were dashed. People who wanted a change

:52:31. > :52:34.of Government and I became the symbol of that and so therefore, I

:52:35. > :52:37.had all day messages and texts and people ringing and people were so

:52:38. > :52:43.upset and it wasn't really about me, it was about their loss. I ended up

:52:44. > :52:47.becoming the symbol of that, I ended up spending most of my time

:52:48. > :52:50.comforting people and saying it was fine and we would come back. Your

:52:51. > :52:58.son did find you on the Friday evening crying? It was the end of

:52:59. > :53:05.the day. It was just, it was more like the accumulation of that day. I

:53:06. > :53:12.had a call that day from an old friend of mine who is the US

:53:13. > :53:16.secretary, he is called Larry Surmers, he said make no quick

:53:17. > :53:19.decision,s don't say that you're spending time with your family and

:53:20. > :53:23.come to Harvard for a year and think what is it next? I took that advice

:53:24. > :53:29.seriously. A good friend. It was wonderful. Also in the book you say

:53:30. > :53:33.that when Labour was in Government, under Tony Blair, turning down the

:53:34. > :53:36.chance to have transitional controls on workers from Poland and other

:53:37. > :53:41.countries was "A terrible mistake." Do you think there is a link between

:53:42. > :53:46.that mistake and Britain voting to leave the European Union 16 years

:53:47. > :53:51.later? I do think there is a link because I think what happened was

:53:52. > :53:55.and I sort of say this in the book that we failed to understand this is

:53:56. > :54:00.the political classes, the risks and the challenges in our economy in the

:54:01. > :54:03.last 20 years. We thought we were focussing on the right things, we

:54:04. > :54:06.made the Bank of England independent to keep inflation low, we didn't see

:54:07. > :54:10.the financial crisis happening in the banks and the squeeze on wages

:54:11. > :54:13.which happened and we didn't see the globalisation wouldn't just be about

:54:14. > :54:17.goods going around the world, but people moving. If in 2004 we had

:54:18. > :54:21.known there was going to be such movement from Eastern Europe in the

:54:22. > :54:24.years which followed, we would have had transitional controls, but

:54:25. > :54:27.nobody saw that. Loads of other countries did because they put the

:54:28. > :54:31.controls in place? That's right. Britain was one of only three

:54:32. > :54:37.countries that didn't? The judgement then was we hadn't joined the single

:54:38. > :54:40.currency, the euro, which was an important decision. Tony Blair,

:54:41. > :54:44.Gordon Brown and others were thinking well, look we are the

:54:45. > :54:49.people who are against the euro, but we have always supported enlargement

:54:50. > :54:52.and let's show we're supporting enlargement by not having controls

:54:53. > :54:57.thinking the numbers would be tiny and both our Government and David

:54:58. > :55:01.Cameron saying he would get the net migration down to the tens of

:55:02. > :55:04.thousands and then it being hundreds of thousands, it looked like the

:55:05. > :55:08.political classes were failing to get a grip and when it came to the

:55:09. > :55:13.referendum, David Cameron's message was it is OK, trust me, I've

:55:14. > :55:17.reformed it. People said, "I don't think you have." They voted for

:55:18. > :55:22.change and it is a hugely problematic period in our country as

:55:23. > :55:26.a result. You talked about how much you hated - you talked about still

:55:27. > :55:28.looking for purpose, having been a Cabinet Minister where you can

:55:29. > :55:31.change people's lives, you hope for the better, it doesn't always work

:55:32. > :55:38.out that way, but you talk about being in opposition and how you

:55:39. > :55:40.hated that. You talk, you say it was soul destroying and futile, how long

:55:41. > :55:45.do you think Labour will be in opposition with Jeremy Corbyn as

:55:46. > :55:49.leader? Well, I think, first of all, if you are a member of Parliament,

:55:50. > :55:53.even in opposition, in your constituency, you can change lives

:55:54. > :55:57.for the better every day and constituency MPs actually do trance

:55:58. > :56:00.for matetry things, not on the national stage, but just for

:56:01. > :56:03.individuals whose lives they help turn around. It is a good thing to

:56:04. > :56:07.be a member of Parliament however, if you want to really change the

:56:08. > :56:11.world you've got to write the Budget... How long do you think

:56:12. > :56:14.Labour will be in opposition under Jeremy Corbyn for? I think that

:56:15. > :56:17.Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have got to persuade people they

:56:18. > :56:21.actually really want to be in Government. How long? If you want to

:56:22. > :56:24.be in Government you've got to persuade the sceptical people in the

:56:25. > :56:27.middle to trust you. Jeremy Corbyn has been re-elected as the leader.

:56:28. > :56:32.It looks like he'll fight the next election. I'm fearful that the way

:56:33. > :56:35.he's going about it means that Labour are currently unelectable,

:56:36. > :56:40.but he has still got a chance to turn that around, we will see, but

:56:41. > :56:43.if not, Labour will be out of power for years to come and that would be

:56:44. > :56:47.a tragedy for Labour. It is a problem for people who need a Labour

:56:48. > :56:50.Government and also, the Government needs a strong opposition. One of

:56:51. > :56:54.the things I say in the book was back in 2001, the Blair-Brown

:56:55. > :56:57.problems partly happened because the Tories at the time were so weak.

:56:58. > :57:01.Iain Duncan Smith was not a strong leader. The Government needs a

:57:02. > :57:05.strong Labour opposition challenging them to do better or else it becomes

:57:06. > :57:08.an internal fight in the Conservative Party which look, a the

:57:09. > :57:11.moment we see Conservative Cabinet Ministers attacking their own

:57:12. > :57:15.chancellor in the papers. This is not healthy. And Labour has got to

:57:16. > :57:19.rise to the plate in order that Labour becomes the opposition rather

:57:20. > :57:22.than internal divides. Well, ministers attacking their own

:57:23. > :57:26.colleagues in the papers is not a new thing! It happens when

:57:27. > :57:30.Oppositions are weak. If Jeremy Corbyn is not going to win the next

:57:31. > :57:34.election which you said you're fearful... I'm fearful. Because he

:57:35. > :57:37.can't necessarily as you say appeal to that wider electorate, who would

:57:38. > :57:40.be a better leader right now for Labour? We had a leadership contest

:57:41. > :57:43.this summer. I think it was premature myself. I don't think

:57:44. > :57:49.Jeremy Corbyn had enough time to show how he was going to do things

:57:50. > :57:53.and he is got a mandate from the members. Is there anyone in Labour

:57:54. > :57:57.right now that you see is a future leader? Your wife went for the

:57:58. > :58:02.leadership. She was, you know, quite a way behind. So who is there in

:58:03. > :58:06.that party? I think at the moment, it is really unhelpful for me and

:58:07. > :58:09.unsupportive of me to come on and start speculating about who would be

:58:10. > :58:13.alternative leaders. Of course, there are people who could be good

:58:14. > :58:15.leaders, but at the moment, Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected as a mandate,

:58:16. > :58:18.he put together a Shadow Cabinet. They have got to show they can

:58:19. > :58:22.change. It is not impossible for Jeremy Corbyn to reach into the

:58:23. > :58:25.centre, but it means he has got to show he will be tough on public

:58:26. > :58:28.spending and he has got to listen to people on national security and work

:58:29. > :58:33.with business rather than be an antibusiness figure. So far, we have

:58:34. > :58:37.not seen signs of that, but I think he has got to be given a chance now

:58:38. > :58:41.and it is difficult because I think at the moment it makes Labour

:58:42. > :58:47.ineffective as an opposition. What about Dan Jarvis? Dan Jarvis is a

:58:48. > :58:51.really good guy. He has amazing experience of public service for our

:58:52. > :58:55.country around the world. I think he is still at the early stages of his

:58:56. > :59:00.political career. He has chosen not to be a candidate in previous Labour

:59:01. > :59:04.leadership elections. He could be one of the people in the next 10 or

:59:05. > :59:11.15 years emerge. There is not a vacancy. I don't think there will be

:59:12. > :59:17.a challenge. I think the interesting thing if Jeremy Corbyn realises that

:59:18. > :59:20.the big supported by thousands of cheering supporters, your members,

:59:21. > :59:23.is not the same as appealing to voters in the country who are

:59:24. > :59:27.generally too busy with their own lives to come to one of your rallies

:59:28. > :59:34.and realises that actually this is not for him and for him to stand

:59:35. > :59:36.aside, and therefore have another leadership election before the next

:59:37. > :59:39.general election. I think that's not impossible. I think that it is

:59:40. > :59:43.something that he might think about very hard, but that would be his

:59:44. > :59:46.choice now, rather than the Parliamentarians. It is up to him.

:59:47. > :59:50.Does he want to be Prime Minister? Does he know what needs to be done

:59:51. > :59:53.to be Prime Minister? Can he make the changes which are needed and

:59:54. > :59:58.really lead? So far we have not seen evidence of that. Although he said

:59:59. > :00:02.yes to all those questions that you just posed? I know, but it is the

:00:03. > :00:06.actions that matter. Last week on the programme your ex-boss, former

:00:07. > :00:11.Labour leader Ed Miliband, said this about you on Strictly. Have a look.

:00:12. > :00:15.Have you been watching? I have. I've watched a clip actually. He has got

:00:16. > :00:19.better and better, hasn't he? There he is. Do you think he has got

:00:20. > :00:23.better and better? What are you basing that on? Well, didn't he do

:00:24. > :00:33.better last week than the week before. He has thrown himself into

:00:34. > :00:35.it A national treasure? I'm not going to paint my face green any

:00:36. > :00:45.time soon! Those the National treasures tend to

:00:46. > :00:56.get locked up in the Tower of London? Why have you fallen out? I

:00:57. > :00:58.don't think we've fallen out. Why are you not friends? We did some

:00:59. > :01:10.important things together with Gordon Brown.

:01:11. > :01:20.I think he made a decision to be more distant. It was not like we

:01:21. > :01:24.fell out. Things pulled away. What I say in the book is you can have

:01:25. > :01:32.friendships which come together again but sometimes it is hard to

:01:33. > :01:35.sustain that. A good example of that is Gordon Brown and Robin Cook. They

:01:36. > :01:41.pulled away when they were in the Cabinet but they made a close

:01:42. > :01:52.friendship in the later years of Robin Cook's life. In the period

:01:53. > :02:03.when he was allowed to, we were very professional. We got on well as

:02:04. > :02:13.colleagues. Could I ask you a small favour? Harold it strictly -- Carol

:02:14. > :02:28.did Strictly last year and never got to dance one of the dancers. Near

:02:29. > :02:37.the did I! I messed it up. We got a step wrong. We lost our steps. I

:02:38. > :02:43.went in being told, be a matador. The previous week had been right

:02:44. > :02:53.camp. I went in and the producer said it was the most camp. May be

:02:54. > :03:05.you could show her a couple of steps. I'm not totally sure. Do you

:03:06. > :03:16.want to go now? Nobody knows the right steps. The key thing for me

:03:17. > :03:30.is, art your back. I think if we go through here, then you have to go

:03:31. > :03:42.back. She is a national treasure! How about that? My word! Do it

:03:43. > :04:02.again. We will go, step, and back. And then down. You are good. We

:04:03. > :04:09.should probably do it to music. We could do the big swing at the end

:04:10. > :04:23.when I throw you, and then bang, like that.

:04:24. > :04:36.Well done. You are a star. Thank you for being such a good sport. I will

:04:37. > :04:43.be doing the foxtrot, which is so much easier. Do you know how I

:04:44. > :04:56.learned the foxtrot? I watched lots of Fox's trotting. Thanks for the

:04:57. > :05:04.tip. That was quite energetic. It is a six. I will take that any day.

:05:05. > :05:37.Let's see how the judges scored you. That's not the lowest score on this

:05:38. > :05:40.programme. You are saying it is OK? You can vote for them when voting

:05:41. > :05:48.opens at the end of the show. Well done. Let me read these comments.

:05:49. > :05:55.David says, I have more respect for Ed Balls since Strictly as he has

:05:56. > :06:00.shown he has the courage not to care what people do about him and have

:06:01. > :06:03.fun with it. This person says, you cannot make a better entertainment

:06:04. > :06:18.than a politician making a joke of themselves. This person says, I have

:06:19. > :06:25.not laughed as much in ages. Does this mean you cannot go back to

:06:26. > :06:28.politics? If I was trying to go back to politics wearing a yellow suit

:06:29. > :06:35.and a green face, it would not be the smartest move. It probably

:06:36. > :06:42.indicates, I did that for 20 years, it is so wild, who knows? If I

:06:43. > :06:45.thought I could do something which would help turn it round I would do

:06:46. > :06:51.it but realistically I've had my time. The thing that is really

:06:52. > :06:56.frustrating about the comments, they are fabulous, we are only in because

:06:57. > :06:59.people are voting for us, but when people say, we knew you were a

:07:00. > :07:03.politician but it is great to find out you are a human being, but

:07:04. > :07:08.actually, these politicians are human beings, they have families,

:07:09. > :07:18.they make mistakes, they do their best, sometimes people do bad things

:07:19. > :07:24.but mostly people do good things. I wonder if you will end up doing a

:07:25. > :07:28.John Sergeant, having to make a decision to leave because you keep

:07:29. > :07:41.being voted in even though there are more talented dancers? It is a show

:07:42. > :07:45.about learning to dance and entertaining. If it was a

:07:46. > :08:01.competition I would not have entered, I clearly started from the

:08:02. > :08:07.lowest place. Last week, Len said that you are doing all the steps.

:08:08. > :08:12.You really can stick around, how long do you want to go on for? I

:08:13. > :08:16.have been told I need to lose as stone, I really want to do a jive,

:08:17. > :08:25.there is no way that I'm going to last very long but another couple of

:08:26. > :08:38.weeks would be great. As a politician, I know that in the end

:08:39. > :08:43.it is the public who decide. Thank you very much coming on the

:08:44. > :08:48.programme. Here is Carol doing her normal job.

:08:49. > :08:53.You get a ten from me. This morning we have some beautiful pictures to

:08:54. > :09:06.show you. As you move further south, we've had

:09:07. > :09:19.some heavy rain in Yorkshire. This was set in -- sent in by Wendy. We

:09:20. > :09:27.have rain moving southwards. Behind it we've got showers coming in. It

:09:28. > :09:33.is turning colder. We had a mph which will be usurped by the weather

:09:34. > :09:43.coming south and the colder are will move. The wet and windy weather will

:09:44. > :09:56.move away. Some of those will be heavy. The north-westerly will

:09:57. > :10:02.accentuate the chilly feeling. Windy with exposure in the West and across

:10:03. > :10:15.Northern Ireland. Still with a plethora of showers. Curled in the

:10:16. > :10:17.North of England. -- freezing. The same in south-west England. There

:10:18. > :10:21.will be some sunshine from the Midlands down to the Isle of Wight.

:10:22. > :10:26.Into Kent and East Anglia with less showers. Through this evening and

:10:27. > :10:30.overnight, most of the showers will fade except close to the coast. It

:10:31. > :10:34.will still be windy. There will still be code around. When it

:10:35. > :10:37.breaks, especially in sheltered parts of the north-west, that

:10:38. > :10:41.amateurs could drop low enough for a touch of frost. We start on that

:10:42. > :10:46.note. The low pressure that has been dominating will move away. The wind

:10:47. > :10:53.around it comes from a chilly, northerly direction. That will bring

:10:54. > :11:04.showers in inland. In the West, high dominating. For many, it will be dry

:11:05. > :11:09.with some sunshine. We are looking at highs of 15 with the wind.

:11:10. > :11:13.Tomorrow will not feel as called. As we head into Thursday, the low

:11:14. > :11:23.pressure will come round it. We've got that direction. That will bring

:11:24. > :11:33.in the showers. Temperatures will be roughly where they should be.

:11:34. > :11:36.Good morning and welcome to the programme.

:11:37. > :11:39.Inflation records its sharpest jump in more than two years.

:11:40. > :11:42.We were warned this might happen - and we'll speak to an expert about

:11:43. > :11:46.Living with cancer is never easy, but what about coming to terms

:11:47. > :11:50.Journalist and presenter Steve Hewlett joins us to talk

:11:51. > :11:54.From politics to the polka - Westminster two-stepper Ed Balls has

:11:55. > :11:56.been with us this morning to talk about life after politics -

:11:57. > :12:01.and his new found stardom on the dance floor.

:12:02. > :12:19.He's been giving tips. Five, six, seven...

:12:20. > :12:26.The Consumer Price Index Inflation has risen to its highest level

:12:27. > :12:28.in more than two years according to official figures.

:12:29. > :12:31.from 0.6% in August, the highest level

:12:32. > :12:35.The Office for National Statistics said there was "no explicit

:12:36. > :12:40.evidence" that sterling's slump following the Brexit vote had pushed

:12:41. > :12:46.One of England's largest mental health trusts has been severely

:12:47. > :12:50.criticised for failing to learn lessons and improve care

:12:51. > :12:53.after its patients killed 10 people in recent years

:12:54. > :12:56.Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have "severely

:12:57. > :12:59.underestimated" the threat posed by psychiatric patients -

:13:00. > :13:07.America says Iraqi forces are "ahead of schedule" after the first day

:13:08. > :13:11.of the battle to retake the city of Mosul from the Islamic State

:13:12. > :13:15.It's the last IS stronghold in Iraq, and aid agencies

:13:16. > :13:19.are warning that the offensive could trigger a humanitarian crisis.

:13:20. > :13:24.The Pentagon says that so far, the offensive is going to plan.

:13:25. > :13:26.Aid agencies are warning the offensive could trigger

:13:27. > :13:45.an aid to a Conservative MP has been arrested on suspicion of rate

:13:46. > :13:50.following an attack at the Houses of Parliament. The Met police said

:13:51. > :13:53.detectives were investigating an allegation of rate in the early

:13:54. > :14:07.hours of Friday the 14th of October. Jessica has said, do they know that

:14:08. > :14:16.they are on a? This e-mail from John, superb interview, remain

:14:17. > :14:30.honest. People laugh Fred up with this. A member of the party, I hope

:14:31. > :14:39.so. Watch him dance. My day is made. Get in touch with us. Use the hash

:14:40. > :14:47.tag. I think that made our day. What is it like to be a Premier League

:14:48. > :14:55.referee? One man who can answer that is Howard Webb. Thanks for joining

:14:56. > :15:01.us. Very timely to have you with us. There was a big match last night. In

:15:02. > :15:04.the lead up to the match it was the referee in the spotlight.

:15:05. > :15:08.Suggestions he should not have been refereeing the match despite it

:15:09. > :15:15.being at Anfield, he lives close to the Manchester United ground.

:15:16. > :15:19.Questions over his integrity. How hard is it with the focus and

:15:20. > :15:28.attention placed on Premier League referees? It was pressure, it did

:15:29. > :15:31.not need to be said by people who should have known better. He will

:15:32. > :15:35.not have heard all the stuff because as the referee you try to shut

:15:36. > :15:36.yourself away but some of it will have filtered through. His integrity

:15:37. > :15:46.was being questioned. He lives close to the Manchester

:15:47. > :15:51.United ground and he doesn't support the team? People were hoping to get

:15:52. > :15:56.into his head and make him behave in a certain way. He lives six or seven

:15:57. > :15:59.miles from Manchester. He lives in Cheshirement he refereed Manchester

:16:00. > :16:03.United and City many times before without issues. All this talk before

:16:04. > :16:05.the game wasn't help. . The FA have got strong rules about people

:16:06. > :16:08.speaking about the match officials before the game for good reason and

:16:09. > :16:12.it will be interesting to see if any action is taken by the people who

:16:13. > :16:17.are involved in the game, like Jose Mourinho for example. His comments,

:16:18. > :16:20.he said it would be hard for him to perform in that match last night and

:16:21. > :16:24.his xhints are being investigated? That comment isn't that bad, but it

:16:25. > :16:30.adds fuel to the debate I guess, doesn't it? I'm delighted Anthony

:16:31. > :16:33.performed well last night. There wasn't a great deal to do, but he

:16:34. > :16:36.will be satisfied he delivered a good performance. Nobody speaks

:16:37. > :16:39.about him after the game because he has not messed up. There was talk

:16:40. > :16:45.before the game, but clearly, he was going to go out there and deliver a

:16:46. > :16:50.performance on what he saw, impartially, mental resilience is

:16:51. > :16:53.essential in match officials and to question his integrity was

:16:54. > :16:56.ridiculous. What is it like being a Premier League referee? What is it

:16:57. > :16:59.like coming up against the greatest players in the world, but as we

:17:00. > :17:05.know, perhaps, don't behave themselves on the football field.

:17:06. > :17:11.They try and gain an unfair advantage faking injury. It must be

:17:12. > :17:16.infuriating that you can't say to a player what you're really thinking?

:17:17. > :17:31.You're in this pressurised environment where people are trying

:17:32. > :17:35.get to you make a mistake. You've refereed a World Cup final in 2010,

:17:36. > :17:38.a Champions League final as well, even harder, to get those big

:17:39. > :17:43.decisions right I guess when you are at the top level of the game? Yes,

:17:44. > :17:47.but with that comes the satisfaction of being involved in these huge

:17:48. > :17:50.events sur ronneded by wonderful sportsmen and wonderful footballers

:17:51. > :17:53.in the game you love, it is the best seat in the house. For anybody

:17:54. > :17:55.passionate about their football and doesn't have the talent to be a

:17:56. > :18:01.professional footballer, there is another way to get involved and make

:18:02. > :18:04.it to the top and most of the time refereeing is a really, really

:18:05. > :18:08.enjoyable thing to be involved in. Fantastic. Howard, many thanks

:18:09. > :18:12.indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. Not a

:18:13. > :18:16.classic last night, was it between Liverpool and Manchester United at

:18:17. > :18:19.Anfield? But it is fair to say that Jose Mourinho will be the happier of

:18:20. > :18:24.the two managers this morning. Thank you.

:18:25. > :18:26.New figures released today show that Inflation is at its highest

:18:27. > :18:30.In September there was a pretty sharp jump to 1% from point 0.6%.

:18:31. > :18:34.But what does this mean for you and me?

:18:35. > :18:37.Since the vote for Brexit, the value of the pound has dropped

:18:38. > :18:40.sharply which means the cost of things that we import -

:18:41. > :18:46.like food and oil - are going up, because it's now more

:18:47. > :18:48.expensive for businesses in the UK to import goods.

:18:49. > :18:50.Some firms are already passing those costs onto us,

:18:51. > :18:52.and experts predict that'll keep happening for the next

:18:53. > :18:56.So how soon will you see notice a difference when doing

:18:57. > :19:02.the weekly shop or buying that morning cup of coffee?

:19:03. > :19:04.Ann Pettifor is the Director of Prime Economics and Sofia

:19:05. > :19:07.Charalambous who runs a family business, Bathroom Origins.

:19:08. > :19:14.Hello both of you. Hi. How do you assess the rise? Well it is only 1

:19:15. > :19:19.Mers and the Bank of England's target is 2%. So we're not near the,

:19:20. > :19:24.we're not near the Bank of England's target. And the problem has been

:19:25. > :19:28.prices falling in the past really in the recent past. The real worry has

:19:29. > :19:33.been deflation and we don't know how to manage deflation really. We don't

:19:34. > :19:39.have the tools, the monetary tools to manage deflation. And so actually

:19:40. > :19:44.a bit of deflation given also that we're indebted is not a bad thing

:19:45. > :19:48.because what inflation does is it erodes the value of your debt. So it

:19:49. > :19:52.makes debt more affordable. Deflation does the opposite. That's

:19:53. > :19:56.why it is worrying. Why has the pound fallen in value in the way it

:19:57. > :20:01.has? Mainly because investors are pulling money out of the economy.

:20:02. > :20:05.And losing confidence in the currency, but also because everyone

:20:06. > :20:08.is expecting the Federal Reserve to put up interest rates in December

:20:09. > :20:13.and so money is flowing into the dollar. So there is that, but there

:20:14. > :20:16.is also the political uncertainty that no one can really tell what is

:20:17. > :20:20.going to happen about Brexit and I have to say that the Government

:20:21. > :20:27.isn't helping by falling out amongst themselves. So this fall-out

:20:28. > :20:30.yesterday between members of the Government and the Chancellor and

:20:31. > :20:38.also the Bank of England is not helping confidence in the economy.

:20:39. > :20:42.Sophia, you run a small family business with a turnover of over ?1

:20:43. > :20:48.million. You import bathroom products. How has the drop in the

:20:49. > :20:52.pound affected you? The impact is our margin. So for us going forward

:20:53. > :20:56.we're going to have to put our prices up so we can sustain our

:20:57. > :21:00.business. Right, so your profit margin is reduced. You don't have to

:21:01. > :21:06.put the prices up. You could absorb that and reduce your profits more?

:21:07. > :21:09.We couldn't. Could you not We couldn't reduce them. We would be

:21:10. > :21:14.out of business if we reduced them. How much are profits down compared

:21:15. > :21:18.to before the EU referendum? I would say probably about, at the moment,

:21:19. > :21:22.5% because at the beginning of the year, the pound was favourable. We

:21:23. > :21:27.also hedged against the pound so we're able to sustain ourselves

:21:28. > :21:30.until the end of the year. So we've offered our retail customers price

:21:31. > :21:34.stability until the end as have many in our industry so really the prices

:21:35. > :21:39.will start hitting from January onwards. OK, and you would expect

:21:40. > :21:43.your competitors to do the same, would you? Well, some have already

:21:44. > :21:47.done it. They didn't let the referendum, they didn't let the

:21:48. > :21:51.referendum dust settle before they actually put their prices up which

:21:52. > :21:55.is too soon, but the majority of us will start putting prices up from

:21:56. > :21:59.January. How do you see your business going

:22:00. > :22:05.in the next six to 12 months? Very uncertain. And for me, my worry is

:22:06. > :22:09.more about the economy than the pound because kek adjust our prices

:22:10. > :22:14.accordingly, but if we adjust them then maybe people will not want to

:22:15. > :22:17.buy bathrooms. I think the whole economy will go through such a

:22:18. > :22:22.period of uncertainty, they will hold off on big ticket items.

:22:23. > :22:28.What do you need politically from the Government then to help things

:22:29. > :22:33.feel less uncertain? I think we just need clarity and right now, I feel

:22:34. > :22:37.we're not get anything. There so much infighting. Every day there is

:22:38. > :22:41.a different story and people are just feeling nervous about the

:22:42. > :22:47.future. So they're holding off on potentially buying stuff? Yes. And

:22:48. > :22:51.Ann are there any advantage to say inflation going up and the pound

:22:52. > :22:55.being weak? There are for people who have high levels of debt, but the

:22:56. > :23:00.real problem and I think Sophia just made this clear, is that people will

:23:01. > :23:07.be paying more, but their wages won't rise and small companies like

:23:08. > :23:11.Sophia's haven been able to put up wages. Wages are still below what

:23:12. > :23:15.they were since before the crisis. So people won't go shopping and the

:23:16. > :23:18.really sad thing is that people on the lowest wages will take the

:23:19. > :23:22.biggest hit and will find their living standards cut and that's

:23:23. > :23:25.quite serious actually because living standards are already quite

:23:26. > :23:29.low and that means that people certainly won't be buying bathrooms.

:23:30. > :23:33.They will behaving to buy food and petrol because those are essentials

:23:34. > :23:37.and so they may not buy those things that are less essential. So the real

:23:38. > :23:41.problem and the problem is also Victoria, that there is a sort of

:23:42. > :23:45.conflict going on in the global economy because out there, in the

:23:46. > :23:49.global economy prices are falling and we have deflation. China, there

:23:50. > :23:53.is a glut of goods coming out of China. That's pushing prices down.

:23:54. > :23:57.There is a weakness of demand. Across the world people are not

:23:58. > :24:02.going shopping if you like. So that come bin gnawings of prices falling

:24:03. > :24:05.there, but rising here is going to make things pretty unstable. And it

:24:06. > :24:09.is quite difficult to therefore say what is going to happen in the

:24:10. > :24:11.future. Thank you both. Good luck. I wish you all the best. Thank you

:24:12. > :24:14.very much for coming on the programme. Thank you.

:24:15. > :24:18.Coming up, we'll be speaking to a campaigner for families who've

:24:19. > :24:21.lost loved ones to mental health patients following a review which

:24:22. > :24:30.Steve Hewlett is a journalist and presenter of The

:24:31. > :24:35.He's been on this programme a number of times giving you the inside track

:24:36. > :24:38.on media stories ranging from the future of the BBC

:24:39. > :24:44.I've read this article many times and you can look high and low,

:24:45. > :24:47.you will find no suggestion from anybody that what the Queen

:24:48. > :24:54.Even his own autobiography, in 1974, makes it absolutely plain

:24:55. > :24:59.that he has an attitude towards sexual contact,

:25:00. > :25:02.and a desire for sexual contact with women and young girls

:25:03. > :25:06.That's an ?800 million cut, it's 20% of the BBC's budget,

:25:07. > :25:10.that is, if you are a BBC supporter, that is proper grievous bodily harm.

:25:11. > :25:14.That is very, very serious whatever happens with the White Paper.

:25:15. > :25:17.For the past few weeks Steve has been telling Radio 4's Eddie Mair

:25:18. > :25:23.The cancer is in the advanced stages and is classed as incurable.

:25:24. > :25:37.Hello. Hi, tell us why you're being open about your diagnosis? It sort

:25:38. > :25:46.of crept up on me in a way. I think partly, within my family and amongst

:25:47. > :25:49.my close family and associates it took me 12 microseconds that I would

:25:50. > :25:54.tell them all including my children where it was at. You have three

:25:55. > :25:58.grown-up sons? They are 19, 21, and 24. So and I think my experience of

:25:59. > :26:02.that has been that telling them, even things that are very difficult

:26:03. > :26:07.and very difficult to deal with, to be honest, more difficult for them

:26:08. > :26:11.than for me. I found. I found when I got the original diagnosis when it

:26:12. > :26:15.was clear that it was pretty serious, I, the doctors, and the

:26:16. > :26:18.nurses were all very helpful and their manner sort of, there was an

:26:19. > :26:23.expectation I think that I would collapse in a heap and not only did

:26:24. > :26:27.I not do that, I felt strangely unaffected by it. Partly, I think,

:26:28. > :26:32.because I sort of worked it out. Right from the very beginning, I

:26:33. > :26:37.Googled, my symptoms with anaemia which really kicked it off and when

:26:38. > :26:41.you do my vague symptoms and a bit of this and a bit of anaemia, and

:26:42. > :26:44.when you do that, you only get one result. So I think quite early on,

:26:45. > :26:48.for myself I had kind of worked it out and I just thought honestly,

:26:49. > :26:51.well, my luck has run out. I have had a lucky life. I've done lots of

:26:52. > :26:57.things that a lot of people don't get a chance to do. I have been a

:26:58. > :27:00.journalist. It is a keep you alive kind of job because you're always

:27:01. > :27:03.looking at new things and nothing I looked at turned out to be boring.

:27:04. > :27:08.To cut a long story short, by the time it gets to the serious end of

:27:09. > :27:15.the diagnosis, I do get moments where, you know, I just well up, it

:27:16. > :27:20.could happen any minute. It happens unpredict bli. It is look in the

:27:21. > :27:23.mirror or a shower or this or that and something happens and you get a

:27:24. > :27:28.thought and you can't get rid of it and it just makes you want to cry.

:27:29. > :27:34.So I'm not, I don't mean to suggest I'm unaffected by it, but telling

:27:35. > :27:38.them, really I found really it empowered them actually and it meant

:27:39. > :27:42.that they were then, they felt part of it, they didn't feel that they

:27:43. > :27:47.were threading on egg shells and didn't feel there were things they

:27:48. > :27:50.couldn't say and so I think that led me, I think, to wondering about

:27:51. > :27:54.whether people really talked about cancer enough. I mean in some

:27:55. > :27:59.respects, you know, you can listen to Radio 4 and if if you listen to a

:28:00. > :28:03.lot of Radio 4, a lot of it is about cancer funnily enough, but it tends

:28:04. > :28:07.not to be men talking about it and I don't know if people are closed

:28:08. > :28:11.about their feelings about it, but it tends, it doesn't, there is

:28:12. > :28:13.something about what we've done with PM which appears to have touched

:28:14. > :28:17.something of naerve and I can only spk late as to why that is. But I

:28:18. > :28:22.sort of thought, there is not enough said about cancer often enough

:28:23. > :28:29.and... Particularly about incurable cancer? It remains this taboo.

:28:30. > :28:33.Absolutely. One of my kids on PM last night said, I thought it was

:28:34. > :28:37.really profoundment he said and it encapsulates what I feel about it.

:28:38. > :28:40.He said there are two ways you can deal with it. You can become

:28:41. > :28:45.depressed, you can become as it were, you can become the victim, of

:28:46. > :28:49.course, you are a victim. You can and you can waste with this

:28:50. > :28:54.negativity. You can waste all the time you've got left and in my case,

:28:55. > :28:58.no one knows how long I've got left. If you look at the statistics, it is

:28:59. > :29:02.not great. If you look at the, but they are statistics, so are you in

:29:03. > :29:07.the 40% or are you in the 60% or the 2% or the 4%? Depending on where you

:29:08. > :29:12.end up putting yourself or where you end up, it could be, I could have

:29:13. > :29:19.months, years, or even a normal life span. To be honest, that's in the

:29:20. > :29:24.outer reaches of probabilities. Nothing something you'd put next

:29:25. > :29:28.wages on. Is that uncertainty of not knowing weighing on you or are you

:29:29. > :29:35.just cracking on? Is it weighing on me? I am aware of it. People say

:29:36. > :29:38.live life to the full and live every day to the full and people say that

:29:39. > :29:42.in general. There is something about the life I'm living now which isn't

:29:43. > :29:48.different to the life we all lead. I could get knocked over by a bus, you

:29:49. > :29:54.could lose your job, we all know this and of course, we spend a lot

:29:55. > :29:58.of our time dealing with things to be responsible, to have a proper

:29:59. > :30:02.grown-up life, you have to deal with things that are difficult and all

:30:03. > :30:05.the rest of it. It is a neat injunction to say live life to its

:30:06. > :30:10.full, make the most of all the time you've got. I think in normal life,

:30:11. > :30:15.people say it, but rarely do it. Yes. When you have been given notice

:30:16. > :30:20.and I feel as if I've been given notice, I'm part of some sort of, a

:30:21. > :30:24.sort of universal kind of redundancy exercise. I don't know if I'm going

:30:25. > :30:27.to get picked or not, but I'm in the pool for selection is how I'd put

:30:28. > :30:30.it. And it does change the way you think. It changes the way, for

:30:31. > :30:33.example, when it has happened, it will have happened to many of your

:30:34. > :30:39.viewers, when you're in danger of losing your job and you are awe put

:30:40. > :30:42.into the redundancy pool, how does that make you think about what is

:30:43. > :30:46.going to happen next? I don't know what's going to happen next. The

:30:47. > :30:50.outlook is not fantastically positive, but that doesn't mean

:30:51. > :30:52.there aren't lots of chances that it isn't better than that. We haven't

:30:53. > :31:06.told people what the cancer is. I've got cancer of the oesophagus.

:31:07. > :31:09.The first symptom was I felt a little bit fool. I would have eaten

:31:10. > :31:15.half a sandwich, drank some beer. Not like indigestion. Every now and

:31:16. > :31:18.again I would eat something and if I eat it too quickly it would feel

:31:19. > :31:24.like it was getting stuck, not in my throat but the back of my chest. The

:31:25. > :31:29.feeling I remember best was as a kid, drinking fizzy drinks, if you

:31:30. > :31:37.drank too much, you would feel it in your back. That sort of feeling. I

:31:38. > :31:45.dismissed it as eating things too quickly. I went on holiday to

:31:46. > :31:50.Vietnam worded -- where I did some relaxing, and I thought, there is

:31:51. > :31:59.the answer, relax and eat noodles. I came back and the symptoms returned.

:32:00. > :32:05.It was in a restaurant, I was two thirds of the way through the meal

:32:06. > :32:10.and I felt something get stuck and I started salivating. Your body is

:32:11. > :32:16.trying to get the food to pass. I did not feel sick, but there was no

:32:17. > :32:22.way to spit it out. I could not swallow it. I had to go outside,

:32:23. > :32:29.standing outside spitting and retching, and in the end, the kids

:32:30. > :32:35.said, go to the doctor. The NHS were absolutely astonishing. Within two

:32:36. > :32:42.weeks I'd gone from first visit to GP, blood transfusion, endoscopy is,

:32:43. > :32:52.both ends, gastroscopy, CT scan, which showed it had spread, within

:32:53. > :33:12.two weeks I knew where I was. You began having chemotherapy and kept

:33:13. > :33:18.you -- you're. I started with the chemotherapy, I've seen it happen to

:33:19. > :33:24.people, I didn't have to go into a darkened room, but not get nausea or

:33:25. > :33:30.vomiting, I got constipation, if you want to know, and another thing

:33:31. > :33:35.where your hands and feet become very red. It makes it quite hard to

:33:36. > :33:41.walk. You end up walking on the side of your feet. Then your ankles swell

:33:42. > :33:52.up. That was the most significant side-effects. It is weird and I felt

:33:53. > :34:00.like I had a hangover. But I was not significantly affected. When I was

:34:01. > :34:07.not feeling like I was taking lots of chemicals, I was better than

:34:08. > :34:15.before I was ill. I had more energy, I'm more in June. With hindsight, I

:34:16. > :34:27.was not right. It was looking rather good. The original plan was to do

:34:28. > :34:31.six cycles of chemotherapy. The consultant would not say this was

:34:32. > :34:37.not working but I detected a glint in her eye. She probably thought it

:34:38. > :34:42.was working. She delayed the scan to four cycles and then go to eight. We

:34:43. > :34:49.scanned after four and the mean tumour had shrunk, the lymph nodes

:34:50. > :34:57.had reduced by half. The liver, they are disappearing, and there is a big

:34:58. > :35:07.one they are measuring. So this is a partial response. Everybody was

:35:08. > :35:15.thrilled. So we were pressing on with eight cycles. It does become

:35:16. > :35:25.more tiring. After the seventh cycle, I was getting a bit of

:35:26. > :35:29.feeling in my oesophagus. They said, there is nothing in the book that

:35:30. > :35:35.says we need to do eight cycles so we could scan now and move onto the

:35:36. > :35:41.next stage. So we scanned after seven, I went back to see her and

:35:42. > :35:47.she was ashen faced, not the right word, much more upset than I was.

:35:48. > :35:55.She discovered that it had stopped working completely. We were back to

:35:56. > :36:04.where we started from. It was active, it was really like, what do

:36:05. > :36:12.you do now. In fairness, at some point they expect it to run out on

:36:13. > :36:17.you. If there are curative options it is different. But in the

:36:18. > :36:24.palliative arena, for most people, that line of chemotherapy eventually

:36:25. > :36:28.feels. But it is unlucky to have it fail whilst you're already on the

:36:29. > :36:35.treatment. But look at it this way, I've had a few months of time

:36:36. > :36:40.feeling pretty good. If that had never happened I don't think we

:36:41. > :36:47.would be having this conversation. Highlight your boys? I heard them on

:36:48. > :36:56.the radio and one of them sounds exactly like you. They are fine.

:36:57. > :37:04.Freddie is a musician, he did music in Manchester then got a scholarship

:37:05. > :37:09.to study the tuba for two years. He got a position with St Petersburg

:37:10. > :37:14.Ballet and he now works in advertising, such is life. He lives

:37:15. > :37:21.in London. Billy is in the final year of politics. I went to

:37:22. > :37:29.Manchester in 1977. Some reason, they both went to Manchester. He is

:37:30. > :37:33.doing politics and economics. The youngest one, the biggest and the

:37:34. > :37:41.tallest, is doing film and philosophy. They are fine. It was

:37:42. > :37:50.interesting hearing them talk. They appreciated being told. Billy was

:37:51. > :37:57.away for a lot of it and was getting on that. He said that knowing meant

:37:58. > :38:01.his friendship group were able to support him at college. That is

:38:02. > :38:07.because he knew. If he'd not felt he could be open about it then that

:38:08. > :38:18.would not have happened. He was surprised. The figure was one in

:38:19. > :38:24.three of us will be affected. That is partly because there is an ageing

:38:25. > :38:34.population. People are living longer. You hope to get involved in

:38:35. > :38:43.clinical trials. I'm approaching the point where that becomes a

:38:44. > :38:49.significant option. If this had not failed there were a couple of trials

:38:50. > :38:54.could got involved in. My genetics are being tested for various things

:38:55. > :39:05.which might lead to novel treatments. What they might test for

:39:06. > :39:13.his the breast cancer gene. If people overexpressed that, it is an

:39:14. > :39:16.extraordinary, effective treatment. If they don't express that it is

:39:17. > :39:30.about as much use as a chocolate teapot. I don't overexpressed that.

:39:31. > :39:36.The point now, it is a bit of a conundrum. I'm on radiotherapy first

:39:37. > :39:41.12 days to reduce and control the mean tumour. This will not have any

:39:42. > :39:46.effect on the liver and the lymph nodes but it should produce some

:39:47. > :39:57.shrinkage. They are blasting it to bits which leaves me feeling yucky

:39:58. > :40:03.but it is perfectly liveable. After that, there are clinical trials

:40:04. > :40:07.coming up which I need to wait four weeks to participate in. They insist

:40:08. > :40:11.that you finish one line of treatment and then there is a

:40:12. > :40:14.wash-out period. The trial is not much use if they measure what the

:40:15. > :40:22.last trial date. The question for me is, is the disease in active enough

:40:23. > :40:26.to mean that we can afford to wait for these trials to become

:40:27. > :40:34.available. If it is active and progressing in these terms, I need

:40:35. > :40:38.to start second-line chemotherapy immediately. When will you know the

:40:39. > :40:45.answer to that question right I should know next Tuesday. At which

:40:46. > :40:49.point, something else happens. If I need to start immediately, there's

:40:50. > :40:56.another drug which can produce a significant improvement in response

:40:57. > :41:04.rates. It is licensed and proven to be effective. We've heard that

:41:05. > :41:08.before. I might need to cash in a pension to pay for it. Which you

:41:09. > :41:18.would obviously do. If that is the option then I will do it. Roy is

:41:19. > :41:22.watching you and says he has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, it

:41:23. > :41:26.is as if that is me on screen. Sometimes I wish it was over because

:41:27. > :41:34.I am afraid of the endgame. My treatment is not working any more.

:41:35. > :41:44.Arnold says, how can you be so positive and so normal. I kind of

:41:45. > :41:54.think, why not? I'm not reconciled to the process of the end. I think I

:41:55. > :42:01.am reconciled to the fact that the end might not be that far away. The

:42:02. > :42:15.process scares me but in the meantime, whilst I can be active,

:42:16. > :42:22.and do these things, I kind of think, why sit at home and wait for

:42:23. > :42:30.the inevitable? I am a journalist through and through. I'm always

:42:31. > :42:38.asking questions. I'm treating this like a project, in a way. Perhaps

:42:39. > :42:42.that is a change to prospective. It is not that different from normal

:42:43. > :42:53.life, it is just that the timescales are different and you need to accept

:42:54. > :43:01.you are on notice. If I felt really rotten, if the chemotherapy was hard

:43:02. > :43:10.to tolerate, I might be feeling rather different about it. I don't

:43:11. > :43:22.feel ill. I don't feel quite right. I've certainly felt more ale in the

:43:23. > :43:32.past. I can think, why wouldn't you? It does not half help. Eric says, I

:43:33. > :43:42.was not aware that Steve Hewlett was ill. A fine journalist and I admire

:43:43. > :43:51.his positivity. That is backed by so many tweets. I've had a lot of

:43:52. > :43:55.stuff, I've put on more than 1000 Twitter followers. The reaction has

:43:56. > :44:03.been more than I ever bargained for. We've touched a bit of a nerve. I

:44:04. > :44:11.take it as evidence that people don't talk about it enough. I had a

:44:12. > :44:18.very close relative, a man, who died six months after diagnosis to his

:44:19. > :44:24.end. They said they'd appreciated the injuries I done because it gives

:44:25. > :44:31.them a clue as to what the relative might have been printed. The idea

:44:32. > :44:37.that you could go from six months without ever really discussing it, I

:44:38. > :44:44.wonder how common that is? I wonder. The only incite I've got is when I

:44:45. > :44:52.had a wig made, the lady who made the wig for me said she deals with a

:44:53. > :44:55.lot of women who don't tell anyone, not even their partners that they

:44:56. > :45:05.have cancer. I found that astonishing. I heard what she was

:45:06. > :45:10.telling me, I didn't understand it, I just thought, I don't know this.

:45:11. > :45:19.It has come as a big surprise to me as well. That people don't talk

:45:20. > :45:25.about it. That's why the PM thing has hit a nerve. Vast numbers of

:45:26. > :45:32.people, I don't know how many thousands, have been in touch. They

:45:33. > :45:37.appear to be really grateful. Find themselves drawn to this

:45:38. > :45:42.conversation which is one they've either wanted to have or not at, no

:45:43. > :45:47.people who they wish that had it, it is becoming a thing.

:45:48. > :45:55.On the bravery front, I don't feel remotely brave. I am not doing this

:45:56. > :45:59.out of a cause of fight the good fight. I'm not sure I feel as if I'm

:46:00. > :46:05.at war with anything. I know, it is an alien, but it is me. I don't feel

:46:06. > :46:10.that I'm, I don't even feel I'm battling something. That's not, but

:46:11. > :46:16.in terms on the bravery front, I don't feel brave, I feel privileged

:46:17. > :46:22.in a way to be able to talk about it and get the response. This isn't why

:46:23. > :46:26.I did it, but you get thousands of people e-mailing and tweeting and it

:46:27. > :46:31.doesn't half give you a lift. Thank you very much for talking to us.

:46:32. > :46:35.You're welcome. Will you come back? Fingers crossed. Thank you.

:46:36. > :46:38.Still to come, a review of ten killings over eight years finds

:46:39. > :46:41.a mental health trust underestimated the risk posed by it patients.

:46:42. > :46:43.We'll be speaking to a campaigner for families who've lost loved ones

:46:44. > :46:50.Former Shadow Chancellor and current Strictly Come Dancing contestant

:46:51. > :46:52.Ed Balls is with us this morning talking dancing and

:46:53. > :47:07.Earlier we were telling you about a review which has accused

:47:08. > :47:09.a mental health trust of severely underestimating the risk posed

:47:10. > :47:14.by psychiatric patients, after ten killings by people

:47:15. > :47:21.in its care over the past nine years.

:47:22. > :47:23.Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have ignored repeated

:47:24. > :47:27.Let's talk to Julian Herd who set up Hundredfamilies.org to campaign

:47:28. > :47:29.on behalf of families who have lost their loved ones

:47:30. > :47:31.to mental health patients after his own father

:47:32. > :47:38.was killed in 2007 he joins us now from Leeds.

:47:39. > :47:44.Thank you very much for talking to us. I wonder if I could ask you

:47:45. > :47:50.first of all to tell our audience what happened to your father? My dad

:47:51. > :47:54.went out to pay his paper bill one Sunday morning in 2007 and as he was

:47:55. > :47:59.walking out of the paper shop, he was stabbed in the back and stabbed

:48:00. > :48:03.in the neck by a man he had never met before who turned out to have

:48:04. > :48:07.been a long-term patient of the local mental health trust who was

:48:08. > :48:12.psychotic at the time and who had taken lots of drugs and four days

:48:13. > :48:15.before he killed my dad his family had warned and asked for the local

:48:16. > :48:17.mental health trust to come and see him because they were worried about

:48:18. > :48:22.his deteriorating condition. They came out to see him and although

:48:23. > :48:27.they found a large bag of amphetamines they decided there was

:48:28. > :48:31.nothing they could do although he was deeply psychotic at the time and

:48:32. > :48:35.four days later he killed my dad. How do you react to the review which

:48:36. > :48:39.clearly sets out the failings that this trust made? I've got two

:48:40. > :48:42.reactions to it. One is deep sympathy with many of the families

:48:43. > :48:49.involved. I've talked to quite a few of them. And on the other hand, I

:48:50. > :48:52.actually think it is a brave decision to do this investigation

:48:53. > :48:54.because what I know from my investigations throughout the

:48:55. > :48:59.country, is that Sussex is not unusual. There are many more trusts

:49:00. > :49:03.in the country that have many more patients who have gone on to kill

:49:04. > :49:07.people and those trusts are not investigating and things haven't

:49:08. > :49:13.been learned. What these investigations have happened for

:49:14. > :49:16.over 20 years now since a man called Jonathan Zito was killed in London.

:49:17. > :49:21.There was an investigation into that case and they found lots of problems

:49:22. > :49:24.with risk assessments, care plans, keeping proper records, treating

:49:25. > :49:28.drug problems and the same problems are happening time and time again

:49:29. > :49:31.and are happening today. We have known about these problems for over

:49:32. > :49:33.20 years and they're still happening. Those things that you

:49:34. > :49:39.mentioned, those things that are listed in the review today are

:49:40. > :49:45.fundamental, you know, a proper risk assessment. Listening to warnings

:49:46. > :49:47.from loved ones? This is not complicating mental health

:49:48. > :49:51.healthcare. This is basic mental health care and if you can't keep

:49:52. > :49:55.proper records, you know, that's, I imagine that's what you learn in

:49:56. > :49:58.your first-term of being a psychiatrist or being a psychiatrist

:49:59. > :50:04.nurse. It is keeping proper records and we hear time and time again. I

:50:05. > :50:08.know in my dad's case, you know, I found there were previous cases in

:50:09. > :50:12.Bristol. I didn't know how many times there have been previous

:50:13. > :50:15.homicides by people with mental health illness awhen I found there

:50:16. > :50:18.were previous investigations, I found four or five and they all said

:50:19. > :50:25.the same things and each time the trust had said we're lessons and the

:50:26. > :50:28.service is different now and yet, time and time again, the same thing

:50:29. > :50:30.would happen. Thank you very much for your time

:50:31. > :50:32.today. You're welcome. Thank you for coming

:50:33. > :50:45.on the programme. Earlier we heard from Ed Balls

:50:46. > :50:49.following the loss of his seat the general election. He talked about

:50:50. > :50:54.all sorts of things, his journey from politics to the paso dobbedly.

:50:55. > :51:00.It is a mad, mad world, is it not? To go from that to in? I know. It's

:51:01. > :51:04.fabulous actually. Is it? I don't think I would have thought in my

:51:05. > :51:07.life that I would end up doing the different things I'm doing. Of

:51:08. > :51:11.course, it was a terrible result for Labour and for me, I had a marginal

:51:12. > :51:16.seat, but I came out of Parliament and I've ended up doing a series of

:51:17. > :51:21.things which I never thought I'd get the chance to do. Are you happier?

:51:22. > :51:26.I'm not sure I am ahappier. The thing about politics and especially

:51:27. > :51:28.if you're a Cabinet Minister, it is important, it is fulfilling and

:51:29. > :51:32.changing people's lives in a small way and a huge way across the

:51:33. > :51:35.country and I don't have that anymore, on the other hand, I have

:51:36. > :51:40.no idea what I'm going to do next year, but I don't think I mind. I'm

:51:41. > :51:43.doing a series of things which are just intrinsically enjoyable and

:51:44. > :51:47.warm. Strictly Come Dancing, I mean, it is quite taxing, it is painful

:51:48. > :51:52.and it is quite stressful. On the other hand, people love it so much

:51:53. > :51:56.that it is really nice to be part of something so warm and positive and

:51:57. > :52:01.people in the street these days, they yell out good things all the

:52:02. > :52:04.time! Whereas in the old days, it was never clear which way it was

:52:05. > :52:08.going to go. I'm at the stage of my life where I want to enjoy every day

:52:09. > :52:11.and see our kids growing up and the next stage of their lives, I want to

:52:12. > :52:16.make sure I do things which are fun and enjoyable. You know, I sort of

:52:17. > :52:22.hanker after the purpose which I used to have in politics, but that

:52:23. > :52:25.was taken away by the electorate that's their right and role so it is

:52:26. > :52:32.a different face. Yes. Totally agree. Obviously you can be on

:52:33. > :52:36.straictly and chairman of Norwich City because you lost your seat in

:52:37. > :52:40.2015 and you say in your book the most emotional part was hearing,

:52:41. > :52:43.finding out that your children had watched you lose, tell us about that

:52:44. > :52:50.because we all watched that moment? The thing was I was in a hotel room

:52:51. > :52:57.from midnight until 7.30am basically on my own with my press guy and I

:52:58. > :53:01.just had time to kind of think it all through and understand what was

:53:02. > :53:04.happening and prepare, I was quite calm because I knew that there was

:53:05. > :53:09.going to be a Conservative majority. I didn't want to have another five

:53:10. > :53:12.years of opposition. It was Yvette's turn to go for the leadership of the

:53:13. > :53:15.party and therefore I was better out of the way. But I didn't find out

:53:16. > :53:19.until afterwards that my son had stayed up all night waiting for the

:53:20. > :53:23.result and so... How old is he? He's 15. And my older daughter was doing

:53:24. > :53:27.a GCSE that day and she left saying she had to go and came back saying

:53:28. > :53:29.she didn't know the result, she wouldn't be able to concentrate and

:53:30. > :53:33.what happened over the course of that day was that lots of people's

:53:34. > :53:36.hopes and expectations were dashedment people who wanted a

:53:37. > :53:40.change of Government and I became the symbol of that and so therefore,

:53:41. > :53:43.I had all day messages and texts and people ringing and people were so

:53:44. > :53:49.upset and it wasn't really about me, it was about their loss. I ended up

:53:50. > :53:53.becoming the symbol of that, I ended up spending time comforting people

:53:54. > :53:56.and saying it was fine and we'd come back and I would be OK. Your son did

:53:57. > :54:02.find you on the Friday evening crying? It was the end of the day.

:54:03. > :54:07.It was just, it was more like the can you minute lation of that

:54:08. > :54:10.emotion. I had absorbed emotion all day, but had positive conversations.

:54:11. > :54:15.I had a call from the Treasury secretary in the US for a few years

:54:16. > :54:19.called Larry Summers and he said it happened to me before and you have

:54:20. > :54:22.got to think forward, make no quick decisions, don't say you're spending

:54:23. > :54:26.time with your family. Come to Harvard for a year and think to

:54:27. > :54:32.yourself what is it next which is going to happen in my life? I took

:54:33. > :54:36.that advice serious. A good friend. It was wonderful. How would you

:54:37. > :54:41.assess how you're doing on Strictly so far? I'm worrying about Brexit

:54:42. > :54:44.and the Government and the Labour Party, however, my biggest worry is

:54:45. > :54:48.my American smooth foxtrot which I've got to do in four days time and

:54:49. > :54:52.you start on a Monday totally cold, never having done it ever before and

:54:53. > :54:56.you have got to get to a performance stage in four or five days. So as of

:54:57. > :55:01.today I'm stressed about that. I'm sore. I discovered I've got glutes

:55:02. > :55:06.and they really hurt. They're working again! It is quite

:55:07. > :55:10.something! I've surpassed my expectations. I wanted to get

:55:11. > :55:15.through the first week and I've gone through three and on the one hand,

:55:16. > :55:19.I'm probably the worst dancer, but that's no surprise, but people are

:55:20. > :55:22.enjoying it and they can, I think, see that we're trying hard and

:55:23. > :55:28.trying to do better and Strictly is all about trying to learn and to

:55:29. > :55:32.improve and I have agot a great partner in Katya. We're doing our

:55:33. > :55:37.best and giving it a go and every week is a bonus now. Can I ask you a

:55:38. > :55:43.small favour, please. Carol did Strictly last year... She was. And

:55:44. > :55:49.never got to dance the paso. Neither did I! Neither did I! That's an

:55:50. > :55:53.accurate assessment of your performance Saturday. It was utterly

:55:54. > :55:59.appalling. Do you think it was utterly appalling? I messed it up.

:56:00. > :56:09.We got a step wrong. I was saying to Katya, "What do we do?" We lost our

:56:10. > :56:15.steps. I went in being told being a mattador I went in to do the

:56:16. > :56:20.strongest mattador and I came off and the producer said it was the

:56:21. > :56:25.most camp paso. Maybe the step you got wrong on Saturday night you

:56:26. > :56:29.could show Carol a couple of steps, teacher had a couple of steps. I

:56:30. > :56:39.have to get into arch your back and try PA get up. That was good. I

:56:40. > :56:45.think if we go, if we from here and we go to step and you have to go

:56:46. > :56:50.back. Oh my gosh. Be careful! This is Carol, she is a national

:56:51. > :56:56.treasure! And then back and then back again. Oh my word. You're a

:56:57. > :57:07.strong lad! Go on, do it again. Go! We'll go

:57:08. > :57:17.step. And go back. And then down. I thought... You're good Ed. We should

:57:18. > :57:26.probably do it to music. To music? To Bonnie Tyler. I can't really

:57:27. > :57:31.dance to Bonnie Tyler. I throw you and go whoosh and bang and like

:57:32. > :57:42.that. No. No, no. Let's just stick with what we've practised.

:57:43. > :57:44.And in. And... LAUGHTER

:57:45. > :57:50.Well done. Well done. Good luck on Saturday.

:57:51. > :57:57.Thank you for being such a good sport. I'm doing the American smooth

:57:58. > :58:02.and foxtrot. It is so much easier. He was a good sport, wasn't he?

:58:03. > :58:11.Thank you for your messages about Steve Hewlett. I can just read one

:58:12. > :58:15.for now. "Steve your compelling words, honest interview was a true

:58:16. > :58:20.tonic that will inspire many. Wishing you well."