19/10/2016

:00:07. > :00:16.This morning, our exclusive investigation into the debilitating

:00:17. > :00:28.I want to stop it, but if I do, something else goes.

:00:29. > :00:32.This man says these symptoms are the result of taking

:00:33. > :00:34.anti-depressants, others say they've experienced terrible withdrawal

:00:35. > :00:44.I read the leaflet and I was getting what it said. I was getting seizure

:00:45. > :00:46.like symptoms. About one in 100 people are thought

:00:47. > :00:48.to experience side-effects and if that's you, let us know

:00:49. > :00:51.what those side effects are. We'll bring you an exclusive

:00:52. > :01:01.report shortly. Also on the programme,

:01:02. > :01:05.are these refugee recently arrived Also on the programme,

:01:06. > :01:07.are these refugees recently arrived in the UK from the Calais camp under

:01:08. > :01:10.18 or over 18? We'll discuss the claims that some

:01:11. > :01:14.of the child refugees being allowed And after his apology for mocking

:01:15. > :01:19.Islam, Olympic gymnast Louis Smith visits two mosques

:01:20. > :01:24.and we were there I wish people who were in a similar

:01:25. > :01:27.situation to me who are quite ignorant to religion in general to

:01:28. > :01:36.take a step back and you know give it a chance.

:01:37. > :01:41.We'll bring you our investigation into anti-depressants

:01:42. > :01:46.in about ten minutes time - it's a searing insight

:01:47. > :01:48.into the effects some of the drugs have on people,

:01:49. > :01:51.and the terrible withdrawal symptoms sometimes experienced by those

:01:52. > :01:56.Do get in touch if you take them, and let us know

:01:57. > :02:01.Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:02:02. > :02:05.Police have begun a murder inquiry after a prisoner was stabbed

:02:06. > :02:07.to death at Pentonville jail in north London.

:02:08. > :02:09.Two other inmates were critically wounded.

:02:10. > :02:11.Two prisoners have now been arrested.

:02:12. > :02:14.The Prison Governors Association says there has been an unprecedented

:02:15. > :02:16.rise in the number of violent incidents and deaths in jails

:02:17. > :02:19.in England and Wales since cuts in staffing were ordered two

:02:20. > :02:30.Police and paramedics were called to Pentonville yesterday afternoon

:02:31. > :02:33.and found the three prisoners with stab wounds.

:02:34. > :02:37.One of them, a man in his 20s, died at the scene.

:02:38. > :02:41.The two others, aged 21 and 30, were taken to hospital.

:02:42. > :02:49.Scotland Yard's Homicide and Major Crime Command began

:02:50. > :02:52.a murder investigation and arrested two inmates aged 34 and a 26.

:02:53. > :02:55.Pentonville is a Category B prison, built in Victorian times,

:02:56. > :03:00.Just days ago in an internal newsletter Pentonville's Governor

:03:01. > :03:04.Kevin Reilly noted that people had become more and more

:03:05. > :03:08.anxious about violence here over the past few weeks.

:03:09. > :03:11.In February last year, prison inspectors ruled the jail

:03:12. > :03:14.was performing poorly because of staff shortages,

:03:15. > :03:15.overcrowding and inmates' easy access to drugs.

:03:16. > :03:18.Levels of violence had almost doubled since the previous

:03:19. > :03:25.Just last week, the Prison Governors Association called for a public

:03:26. > :03:29.inquiry into the state of jails in England and Wales and why deaths

:03:30. > :03:35.It says staff and prisoners are working and living in squalid

:03:36. > :03:37.and brutal conditions which shouldn't be tolerated.

:03:38. > :03:39.The Prison Service says it's investigating an incident

:03:40. > :03:50.at Pentonville and it would be inappropriate to comment further.

:03:51. > :03:54.We will bring you more on that throughout the programme.

:03:55. > :03:56.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:03:57. > :04:00.Fighters with the terror group Islamic State are accused

:04:01. > :04:02.of using civilians as human shields in the embattled

:04:03. > :04:06.Reports say they're not allowing residents to flee Mosul as Iraqi

:04:07. > :04:08.forces battle to retake control of what's now the last

:04:09. > :04:23.The Iraqi army advances towards the city of Mosul, the last bastion for

:04:24. > :04:30.so-called Islamic State in the country. They say they've taken

:04:31. > :04:35.several villages south of the city. Meanwhile, to the east, their

:04:36. > :04:40.Kurdish allies, the Peshmerga close in. This soldier raises his arm, a

:04:41. > :04:44.sign of victory. They say they too have seized areas defended by

:04:45. > :04:49.pockets of IS fighters. The machine is said to be ahead of schedule with

:04:50. > :04:57.claims the co-operation between the Iraqi and Kurdish forces has caught

:04:58. > :05:05.IS off its guard. The speed should be the key element of this

:05:06. > :05:10.operation. The sooner, the better to prevent, avoid major humanitarian

:05:11. > :05:13.exodus or complexities that nobody needs.

:05:14. > :05:17.But while the Iraqi and Kurdish military say they've met little

:05:18. > :05:22.resistance, this video has been released on social media. It claims

:05:23. > :05:30.to show Islamic State fighters attacking Kurdish forces.

:05:31. > :05:34.As the attack gets closer to Mosul, the risks for those inside increase.

:05:35. > :05:40.There are reports people are not being allowed to leave, used by IS

:05:41. > :05:44.as human shields. Some have managed to flee to refugee camps, others

:05:45. > :05:54.take shelter in places they hope are safe like this abandoned school.

:05:55. > :05:58.This woman walked for three hours with her three children. She had to

:05:59. > :06:01.leave one of her sons behind. TRANSLATION: I left because I have

:06:02. > :06:05.diabetes. There is no treatment there. All the medicines have run

:06:06. > :06:09.out. We were trapped. There was nothing there. I have a disabled

:06:10. > :06:18.son. I left him. I couldn't carry him. This man described the

:06:19. > :06:22.dangerous journey out of Mosul. TRANSLATION: We saw dead bodies on

:06:23. > :06:25.the way here. They were killed by land mines, but thank God we got to

:06:26. > :06:29.the camp. There are fears up to one million

:06:30. > :06:31.people could be displaced. The innocent victims caught up in a

:06:32. > :06:38.battle that aims to liberate them. Dentists have dismissed a call

:06:39. > :06:40.for migrants arriving from Calais to have their teeth tested to verify

:06:41. > :06:42.that they're children. Several newspapers have questioned

:06:43. > :06:45.the age of youths coming to the UK The Tory MP for Monmouth,

:06:46. > :06:49.David Davies, has suggested that dental examinations

:06:50. > :06:50.could prove their ages. But the British Dental Association

:06:51. > :06:53.says it would be unethical to give x-rays which aren't

:06:54. > :06:57.for medical purposes. 12 more children, from Syria,

:06:58. > :07:00.Pakistan and Afghanistan, are leaving Calais this morning

:07:01. > :07:03.for the UK. People who say their lives have

:07:04. > :07:07.been ruined by commonly prescribed anti-depressants,

:07:08. > :07:09.known as SSRIs, are due to take their case to

:07:10. > :07:11.Parliament later today. It's thought about one in 100 people

:07:12. > :07:14.experience severe side-effects This programme has been speaking

:07:15. > :07:18.to some people who've experienced President Obama has accused

:07:19. > :07:29.Donald Trump of "whining" for saying that the election

:07:30. > :07:33.is being rigged against him. With opinion polls indicating

:07:34. > :07:35.he's lost further ground to Hillary Clinton, Mr Trump has

:07:36. > :07:39.stepped up his claims of voter fraud ahead of the third and final

:07:40. > :07:41.presidential debate tonight. But President Obama

:07:42. > :07:42.is unsympathetic. If you start whining before

:07:43. > :07:44.the game is even over, if whenever things are going badly

:07:45. > :07:48.for you, and you lose, you start blaming somebody else,

:07:49. > :07:51.then you don't have what it takes Builders' merchant, Travis Perkins,

:07:52. > :07:57.says it is cutting 600 jobs and closing more than 30 branches

:07:58. > :08:00.as it warned about The group said the bulk

:08:01. > :08:04.of the branch closures will come in its heating and plumbing division

:08:05. > :08:06.after a "disappointing" performance. The company, which employs

:08:07. > :08:08.28,000 staff group-wide, says it hopes to relocate

:08:09. > :08:10.some of the affected The Olympic gymnast,

:08:11. > :08:20.Louis Smith, has visited two Mosques to learn more

:08:21. > :08:24.about Islam after a video emerged of him and a friend making

:08:25. > :08:26.fun of Islamic prayers. The four-time Olympic medallist met

:08:27. > :08:29.Muslims yesterday instead of attending the London parade

:08:30. > :08:31.to honour the British athletes We'll bring you that

:08:32. > :08:36.exclusive report shortly. Northamptonshire Police have

:08:37. > :08:38.released a picture of a man who they wish to trace in connection

:08:39. > :08:41.with an alleged theft The man entered a branch

:08:42. > :08:45.of Dunelm Mill and attempted to conceal the blind down one

:08:46. > :08:48.trouser leg and up the back After failing to pay for it,

:08:49. > :08:54.he was followed by staff up a nearby canal path,

:08:55. > :08:56.where he dropped the blind That's a summary of

:08:57. > :09:18.the latest BBC News. We will look at the side-effects

:09:19. > :09:23.that people get when they take antidepressants. One viewer says

:09:24. > :09:28.they destroyed me life. This tweet, "When I was on SSRIs I had such

:09:29. > :09:34.intense night terrors, I couldn't cope. I came off them a year ago and

:09:35. > :09:38.I will never go back on them. " Another e-mail, "I was prescribed a

:09:39. > :09:43.range of different antidepressants over a 30 year periodment their

:09:44. > :09:48.side-effects were horrendous and affected my ability to function. I

:09:49. > :09:53.had blurred vision, itchy skin, weight gain and gastro problems and

:09:54. > :09:56.they robbed me of my motivation and caused serious cognitive decline

:09:57. > :10:02.which ruined my time at university. I wanted to sleep 24/7. Over the

:10:03. > :10:05.years I found it impossible to stop taking antidepressants and I often

:10:06. > :10:12.ended up in hospital whenever I tried."

:10:13. > :10:13.Tell us your experience. You're texting, you will be charged

:10:14. > :10:16.at the standard network rate. And first, we've got Leicester

:10:17. > :10:20.and they are producing last year's Premier League form on the European

:10:21. > :10:32.stage now aren't they? The manager is not happy. They only

:10:33. > :10:36.got eight points from eight matches. Go into Europe, the Champions League

:10:37. > :10:39.and making their debut in the competition they made it three out

:10:40. > :10:43.of three and they are the best team in the Champions League at the

:10:44. > :10:50.moment. Last night they beat FC copen haggen. Just the one goal

:10:51. > :10:55.there. They've already beaten bRution and Porto. Casper

:10:56. > :10:59.Schmeichel, what a save that was against the Danes to keep them in

:11:00. > :11:04.that. Spurs have been blowing hot and cold in the Champions League,

:11:05. > :11:12.but they have their keeper to thank for their point. What about that?

:11:13. > :11:17.Look at the replay. He kept just the right side of the line. They've won

:11:18. > :11:21.one and lost one and drawn one. They are second in their group, but they

:11:22. > :11:24.are the only unbeaten team in the Premier League so it is a flip

:11:25. > :11:27.situation to Leicester, the way that swap spurs are playing.

:11:28. > :11:28.Tonight, it's Pep Guardiola's return to Barcelona,

:11:29. > :11:32.will he get a good reception at his old club?

:11:33. > :11:39.He will get a fantastic reception. He has been returned to Barcelona

:11:40. > :11:42.with Bayern Munich a couple of seasons, but going back there

:11:43. > :11:46.Manchester City. Manchester City played Barcelona a lot in the

:11:47. > :11:51.Champions League over the past few seasons, but Pep Guardiola he won 14

:11:52. > :11:54.trophies in four seasons as manager with Barcelona. Also won the

:11:55. > :11:59.Champions League as player. He has got his own seat at the Nou Camp! It

:12:00. > :12:04.will be really tough because Man City aren't playing well at moment.

:12:05. > :12:09.Also in that group, it is tougher for Celtic. They are playing this

:12:10. > :12:18.evening and Arsenal are playing the Bulgarians.

:12:19. > :12:24.The Olympic and Paralympic celebrations,

:12:25. > :12:33.And And Lucy Smith didn't take part? Yes, the Olympic and Paralympic

:12:34. > :12:37.medallist took part. They had a Palace reception at Buckingham

:12:38. > :12:42.Palace. They met the Queen and Prince Philip, but Lewis Smith

:12:43. > :12:48.wasn't there. Choosing to go and accept an invitation to visit the

:12:49. > :12:53.Muslim community after the video emerged of him seeking to mock the

:12:54. > :12:56.Islamic faith and I know you've got an exclusive film coming up. But it

:12:57. > :13:00.was a great day. It has been a great couple of days for the Olympians and

:13:01. > :13:05.Paralympians, but the parades part within and two are over now, they

:13:06. > :13:06.have got four years to get ready to do it again in Tokyo.

:13:07. > :13:15.Cheers, Olly, thank you very much. Pauline e-mailed us

:13:16. > :13:17.to say, "Dear Victoria. I watch your show every morning

:13:18. > :13:20.and wondered if you could help. I was on anti-depressants

:13:21. > :13:22.after pressure at work. It has taken me four years,

:13:23. > :13:26.yes four years to get off them and now four months into no

:13:27. > :13:28.tablets, I'm in hell. Will you please do an item

:13:29. > :13:31.about withdrawing my anti-depressants and the hell people

:13:32. > :13:39.are going through? It feels like trying to get off

:13:40. > :13:42.heroin or something. This is a big thing, please,

:13:43. > :13:44.please do something on it." As a result of that e-mail this

:13:45. > :13:47.morning we're going to look at their extreme side-effects -

:13:48. > :13:50.both when it comes to withdrawing from them - and when you're

:13:51. > :13:52.actually taking them. Later today - people

:13:53. > :13:54.who say their lives have been ruined by commonly

:13:55. > :13:56.prescribed antidepressants, known as SSRIs, are taking

:13:57. > :13:58.their case to Parliament. Some users have told this programme

:13:59. > :14:01.the tablets have made them suicidal. Whilst for most people the pills

:14:02. > :14:03.can save their lives. It's thought about one in 100 people

:14:04. > :14:22.experiences severe side-effects I was semi conscious just having

:14:23. > :14:29.seizure after scuzure after scuzure. -- seizure after scuzure. I thought

:14:30. > :14:33.I had some kind of terminal illness. I look and feel like a drug addict.

:14:34. > :14:47.Some days I can barely function or get out of bed. I was just in a mess

:14:48. > :14:51.basically. One in 11 British adults takes antidepressants. The number of

:14:52. > :14:59.pills prescribed have doubled in the last decade. In England last year,

:15:00. > :15:04.61 million tablets were handed out. They cost the NHS ?780,000 a day.

:15:05. > :15:20.But they're not helping everyone. Clare believes her life has been

:15:21. > :15:24.ruined by a variety of antidepressants. She's been left

:15:25. > :15:29.with constant muscle ache and fatigue and spends most days in bed.

:15:30. > :15:33.She started taking the tablets 20 years ago whilst caring for her

:15:34. > :15:46.seriously ill mother and studying for her final exams at Cambridge. I

:15:47. > :15:51.took them are descended into suicide feelings within days. I was an

:15:52. > :15:57.absolute mess. I could not read, I could not concentrate on anything, I

:15:58. > :16:05.was absolutely wanting to take my life continually. She told her

:16:06. > :16:20.doctor, who put her on a higher dose of different antidepressants. Or God

:16:21. > :16:30.-- Oh, God. Within two weeks I tried to take my own life twice. What was

:16:31. > :16:34.scary, when I first started taking them, I read the leaflet and I was

:16:35. > :16:42.getting exactly what it said, I was getting symptoms were my muscles

:16:43. > :16:48.were jolting arounds of their own accord and I felt disorientated and

:16:49. > :16:57.sick and I had the jest of problems and infections, it was really

:16:58. > :17:04.extreme -- digestive problems. All I can remember is being on the bedroom

:17:05. > :17:12.floor in a semiconscious state, having a seizure then another

:17:13. > :17:16.seizure. Claire is not alone in suffering serious side-effects

:17:17. > :17:23.whilst on the drugs which are designed to affect how the brain

:17:24. > :17:28.works. It is generally thought depression happens when the level of

:17:29. > :17:35.the mood enhancing chemicals serotonin falls. The antidepressant

:17:36. > :17:39.is designed to stop that happening. But David Healy, who has written

:17:40. > :17:43.several books on antidepressants, thinks the drugs could actually be

:17:44. > :17:48.dangerous for many more patients than is hinted at in medical

:17:49. > :17:52.leaflets. They suggest maybe one in 100 could suffer adversely. He

:17:53. > :17:58.believes the drugs could make a lot of people's problems worse. One in

:17:59. > :18:04.four people become more anxious rather than less, and they can

:18:05. > :18:08.become extraordinarily anxious, so that some people will become

:18:09. > :18:16.agitated and go on to become suicidal. The drugs can become the

:18:17. > :18:21.problem that they are then used to treat. We asked the drug companies

:18:22. > :18:24.for interviews but they declined. They say there are plenty of

:18:25. > :18:31.warnings in the literature that comes with the pills. The problem is

:18:32. > :18:38.the literature is literally arm's-length and GPs admit it is not

:18:39. > :18:43.often taken seriously. The companies have to include every side affect

:18:44. > :18:47.everyone has ever described. Sometimes, people are on tablets,

:18:48. > :18:52.something goes wrong, they reported, it goes into the leaflet. It might

:18:53. > :18:56.not be anything to do with the tablet. There is a very long list of

:18:57. > :19:03.potential side effects and that is one of the reasons we don't give

:19:04. > :19:08.them out lately. -- lightly. But we must not underestimate the impact

:19:09. > :19:12.severe depression has. Moderate depression and severe depression

:19:13. > :19:18.wrecks lives and it costs lives. Do you think they work most of the time

:19:19. > :19:23.for people? For people with severe depression, you may well need to try

:19:24. > :19:29.to three before they work but for most people with severe depression

:19:30. > :19:40.we can find a medicine that will help them and where the benefits

:19:41. > :19:49.will outweigh the risks. Beer we are, that is what it is doing. This

:19:50. > :19:54.is what it is doing. Darren doesn't agree. He developed severe muscle

:19:55. > :20:03.spasms and a stammer when doctors increased the dose of an

:20:04. > :20:08.antidepressant he'd used for years. I can stop it but if I do, something

:20:09. > :20:14.else goes. He's allowed us to use this film. He's now trying to come

:20:15. > :20:33.off drugs altogether. Since I began researching the story

:20:34. > :20:37.iPad scores of e-mails from all over the world of people suffering not

:20:38. > :20:42.just side-effects but severe withdrawal symptoms when they stop

:20:43. > :20:48.taking the drugs. -- I have had scores of e-mails. I could not walk

:20:49. > :20:55.and was experiencing the most horrendous sensory sensations. My

:20:56. > :21:02.muscles were burning. It has been 17 months and I'm still recovering.

:21:03. > :21:15.Every day is a living hell. I'd just get through. Some days I can barely

:21:16. > :21:28.function. I look and feel like a drug addict. I cannot focus. There

:21:29. > :21:37.seems to be more women than men who have great difficulty trying to

:21:38. > :21:40.reduce the dose. Even just trying to reduce, not just getting off. If

:21:41. > :21:47.they hold the treatment straight from the dose they can become

:21:48. > :21:58.terribly agitated, suicidal, and when you look at clinical trials,

:21:59. > :22:02.the taper phase is the riskiest period, when people are most likely

:22:03. > :22:12.to commit suicide and do other terrible things. I tried about 89

:22:13. > :22:18.years ago to come off. Professor Healy helps people who have

:22:19. > :22:25.struggled in the past. What happened? I was in a mess basically,

:22:26. > :22:40.I reached the point where I could barely function, I was highly

:22:41. > :22:47.anxious, I was unable to sleep. Gemma, which is not her real name,

:22:48. > :22:53.came off slowly, but withdrawal symptoms were so bad she is now back

:22:54. > :23:01.on the tablets. Her words are spoken for her. I fell apart. I was

:23:02. > :23:06.petrified, I was crying my eyes out. I did not know what was happening to

:23:07. > :23:12.me. I guess that could be the medication. But I thought I had some

:23:13. > :23:17.kind of terminal illness, I just did not know what was happening. You

:23:18. > :23:24.finally decided to go back on the drugs. Why did you do that? The only

:23:25. > :23:32.way to stop the withdrawal symptoms was to reinstate them. Really,

:23:33. > :23:35.that's what happened. I was shocked. I reinstated and all the migraines,

:23:36. > :23:47.the muscle aches, everything just stopped instantly. I'm not for a

:23:48. > :23:51.second saying nobody gets side-effects, what we need to be and

:23:52. > :23:54.made is some patients who've taken these have been very vulnerable,

:23:55. > :23:59.anxious, and it can be very difficult to tell what is anxiety

:24:00. > :24:05.and what is the tablets. Whilst I absolutely believe that a

:24:06. > :24:13.significant minority of patients can have side effects for weeks,

:24:14. > :24:22.possibly months, I would be surprised if all of that effect

:24:23. > :24:27.related to the tablets in years. They say GPs don't take them

:24:28. > :24:31.seriously. I take with all side very seriously. But what we need to bear

:24:32. > :24:38.in mind is that the right patient taking the rates tablets at the rate

:24:39. > :24:42.dose for the right length time, we can not only transform quality of

:24:43. > :24:50.life, we can literally keep some patients alive who otherwise would

:24:51. > :24:56.not be. I think the medical profession puts a Band Aid on mental

:24:57. > :25:00.health. They are not informing people properly so they think

:25:01. > :25:11.medication is the answer to everything. Is maybe a minority of

:25:12. > :25:16.people that have these extreme reactions but they exist. -- it may

:25:17. > :25:22.be. If you look at the leaflets in the packets, it says, one in 100

:25:23. > :25:30.people have this symptom, one in 1000, they've got to realise that

:25:31. > :25:45.one person might be their patients. It does happen.

:25:46. > :26:05.We have an e-mail, one person says, I was on them for seven years, ...

:26:06. > :26:12.This person, I was prescribed and when I tried to stop I went into

:26:13. > :26:18.massive withdrawal like you read heroin users get. I learned how to

:26:19. > :26:24.taper them slowly. I'm so pleased you are highlighting best. --

:26:25. > :26:28.highlighting this. One person said they've tried many times to come off

:26:29. > :26:38.them and suffered debilitating symptoms when I try. Now, due to a

:26:39. > :26:43.current medical problem I'm needing to take another. This person says

:26:44. > :26:49.I'm taking antidepressants for severe oppression and they have

:26:50. > :26:56.saved my life. I'm keen to hear more of your experiences. We will try and

:26:57. > :27:01.speak to you later in the programme. Karen in Lancashire has been taking

:27:02. > :27:08.antidepressants for 12 years. How are you? Not so bad. Tell us about

:27:09. > :27:12.the side-effects. I've been taking them for 12 years and every time

:27:13. > :27:19.I've tried to come off them I've got down to the lowest dose and as soon

:27:20. > :27:26.as I try and stop them, I get suicidal thoughts after three days,

:27:27. > :27:30.I get electric shocks from my head to my toes, feel like I'm walking on

:27:31. > :27:38.the moon and I feel generally hideous, it is horrible. I've given

:27:39. > :27:51.up. You've given up trying to come off because it's not worth it? I was

:27:52. > :27:56.going to say, my GP said the dose I take is negligible so it's better to

:27:57. > :28:01.stay on them than come off and have the horrendous side-effects. Does

:28:02. > :28:08.that mean you will be on this low-dose indefinitely? Probably.

:28:09. > :28:15.Until I can find the guts to come off and go through the horrible side

:28:16. > :28:24.effects. It is so bad I cannot do it any more. It looks like I will be on

:28:25. > :28:29.them for however long. Thanks for talking to us. Really appreciate it.

:28:30. > :28:31.You can get in touch in the usual ways and we will speak to you.

:28:32. > :28:45.Claims that some of the child refugees brought into the UK are

:28:46. > :28:49.actually adults. We will speak to the MP who is calling for a dental

:28:50. > :28:54.examination is to assess the ages of the refugees. Trying to move on and

:28:55. > :29:02.learn from is the stake. We've got an exclusive report with Louis

:29:03. > :29:04.Smith, who has visited mosques after a video emerged of him mocking the

:29:05. > :29:09.call to prayer. Joanna is in the BBC

:29:10. > :29:11.Newsroom with a summary Police have begun a murder inquiry

:29:12. > :29:16.after a prisoner was stabbed to death at Pentonville jail

:29:17. > :29:17.in north London. Two other inmates are in

:29:18. > :29:19.a critical condition in hospital and two prisoners

:29:20. > :29:21.have been arrested. The Prison Governors Association has

:29:22. > :29:24.renewed calls for a public inquiry amid what it calls

:29:25. > :29:26.an "unprecedented" rise in prison The US has accused the so-called

:29:27. > :29:33.Islamic State group of using civilians as human shields

:29:34. > :29:35.in the battle for the American-led air strikes have been

:29:36. > :29:40.supporting the offensive by the Iraqi army and other ground

:29:41. > :29:43.forces to retake the city, which is the militant group's last

:29:44. > :29:46.major stronghold in the country. The military campaign began

:29:47. > :29:50.on Monday, and there's increasing concern for civilians

:29:51. > :29:52.trapped by the fighting. People who say their lives have

:29:53. > :29:55.been ruined by commonly prescribed antidepressants,

:29:56. > :29:58.known as SSRIs, are due to take their case to

:29:59. > :30:00.Parliament later today. It's thought about one in 100 people

:30:01. > :30:03.experience severe side-effects This programme has been speaking

:30:04. > :30:19.to some people who've experienced I read the leaflet and I was getting

:30:20. > :30:30.exactly what it said, seizure symptoms. My muscles were jolting

:30:31. > :30:35.around of their own accord. I felt disorientated and sick and I had

:30:36. > :30:40.digest of problems -- digestive problems. Really extreme. I don't

:30:41. > :30:48.know how to begin. All I can remember is being on the bedroom

:30:49. > :30:53.floor in a semiconscious state having seizures.

:30:54. > :30:55.The British Dental Association says checking the teeth of child migrants

:30:56. > :30:59.from Calais in order to make sure they're under eighteen

:31:00. > :31:02.It comes after the Conservative MP for Monmouth, David Davies,

:31:03. > :31:04.suggested that dental examinations could prove their ages,

:31:05. > :31:06.saying some of those arriving don't look like children.

:31:07. > :31:08.12 more children, from Syria, Pakistan

:31:09. > :31:13.and Afghanistan, are leaving Calais this morning for the UK.

:31:14. > :31:19.President Obama has accused Donald Trump of "whining"

:31:20. > :31:21.for saying that the election is being rigged against him.

:31:22. > :31:25.Mr Trump has stepped up his claims of voter fraud ahead of the third

:31:26. > :31:26.and final presidential debate tonight.

:31:27. > :31:27.But President Obama is unsympathetic.

:31:28. > :31:30.If you start whining before the game is even over,

:31:31. > :31:36.if whenever things are going badly for you, and you lose,

:31:37. > :31:39.you start blaming somebody else, then you don't have what it takes

:31:40. > :31:58.A rocket has blasted off from the International Space Station. Speed

:31:59. > :32:02.and lift off. The crew lifted off as scheduled and is set to dock at the

:32:03. > :32:07.space out post in two days time. The launch was set for September, but it

:32:08. > :32:10.was postponed because of a technical issue with the spacecraft.

:32:11. > :32:12.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:32:13. > :32:23.This e-mail, "I wish to remain anonymous. I'm a 34-year-old male.

:32:24. > :32:29.Ten years on antidepressants and they have ruined my ability to have

:32:30. > :32:34.a sexual relationship. As a result of this, it has ruined my ability to

:32:35. > :32:40.have any sort of a relationship. It contributed to the loss of my

:32:41. > :32:43.partner of eight years. Had I known that antidepressants, I would never

:32:44. > :32:50.have taken them. I feel suicidal as a result." Christian says, "Before

:32:51. > :32:58.taking antidepressants my doctor informed me that cold coming off was

:32:59. > :33:02.harder than coming off horn. I suffered side-effects, the sensation

:33:03. > :33:08.that somebody was stomping around in my head. Every time I moved my head,

:33:09. > :33:15.I wanted to lie down to make it stop." Lisa says, "They have got me

:33:16. > :33:18.through the darkest days of my life including severe postnatal

:33:19. > :33:22.depression. The one I'm taking has saved my life." Thank you for those.

:33:23. > :33:25.More to come. I will read as many as I can through the sport.

:33:26. > :33:38.Leicester made it three wins out of three in the Champions League.

:33:39. > :33:42.Three more points in the return leg against the Dane ins a fortnight

:33:43. > :33:51.will see them qualify for the knock-out stage. Tighter in

:33:52. > :33:56.Tottenham's group. It was goalless. Spurs remain second

:33:57. > :34:01.in that group. Tonight, Pep Guardiola returns to Barcelona as

:34:02. > :34:05.Manchester City take on the Spanish champions, Barcelona at the Nou

:34:06. > :34:09.Camp. Pep Guardiola won 14 trophies there as the manager. Celtic and

:34:10. > :34:12.Arsenal are playing this evening and rounding off two days of

:34:13. > :34:16.celebrations in Manchester, and London, Great Britain's Olympic and

:34:17. > :34:18.Paralympic medallists from the Rio Games met the Queen and other

:34:19. > :34:22.members of the Royal Family at Buckingham Palace.

:34:23. > :34:24.That's all for now. I will be back after 10am.

:34:25. > :34:26.The latest jobless figures have just come out.

:34:27. > :34:27.Our economics correspondent Andy Verity is here.

:34:28. > :34:34.For which month and which quarter and what do they say? It is for the

:34:35. > :34:40.three months to the end of August. Unemployment ticked up in that three

:34:41. > :34:45.month period. Now, it has been on a downward trend for a while. This is

:34:46. > :34:48.only a tick up of 10,000 and the statistics are estimates so you

:34:49. > :34:53.can't even be certain that it has ticked up, but according to the

:34:54. > :34:56.Office for National Statistics' best estimate had it has risen. On the

:34:57. > :35:00.other hand there is good news on earnings. We were worried they were

:35:01. > :35:03.sagging a bit. You have got average earningsks cluing bonuses rising by

:35:04. > :35:09.2. #3e %. And that too is an estimate, but it is a better

:35:10. > :35:15.estimate than we had hoped for. OK, possible explanations for if the

:35:16. > :35:18.10,000 increase is accurate, why? Well, you might speculate that the

:35:19. > :35:22.labour market is slowing down a little bit. The economy generally is

:35:23. > :35:25.slowing down. So therefore, it would be logical for recruitment to slow

:35:26. > :35:29.down. This is, of course, a three month period which includes July and

:35:30. > :35:34.August so it includes more of the post referendum period than any

:35:35. > :35:38.previous statistics we've had. And those who didn't want us to leave

:35:39. > :35:43.the EU will probably say that this is because of a post Brexit

:35:44. > :35:46.referendum effect that it knocked confidence at least in July, but we

:35:47. > :35:50.know already that confidence did rebound in August so even if you say

:35:51. > :35:53.well, maybe post Brexit, unemployment ticked up slightly, you

:35:54. > :35:54.can't be sure that's a sustained trend. Thank you very much, Andy.

:35:55. > :35:59.Thank you. Next, Olympic gymnast Louis Smith

:36:00. > :36:02.has visited two Mosques in an attempt to learn more

:36:03. > :36:05.about Islam after a video emerged of him and a friend mocking

:36:06. > :36:07.the Islamic call to prayer. At the time, the four-time Olympic

:36:08. > :36:09.medallist apologised unreservedly, calling it the lowest point

:36:10. > :36:14.in his career. Now, in an attempt to learn

:36:15. > :36:16.and move on from his mistake the 27-year-old has been to meet

:36:17. > :36:19.members of the Muslim community, and this programme has had

:36:20. > :36:23.exclusive access to it. Louis Smith has asked us not to show

:36:24. > :36:26.the video which emerged last week because he doesn't

:36:27. > :36:29.want to cause further offence. He missed the London parade

:36:30. > :36:32.yesterday honouring Olympic athletes to visit the mosques

:36:33. > :36:37.and Athar Ahmad went with him I remember watching Lewis

:36:38. > :36:50.wine his medal in 2012, so when this video came out

:36:51. > :36:54.it was disappointing. A lot of people have also been

:36:55. > :36:57.saying, you know, we forgive you, but we're not going to forget

:36:58. > :36:59.what you've done. Ultimately I'm a human

:37:00. > :37:01.being, and I messed up. You've got bags and things, you get

:37:02. > :37:06.scanned through. You get scanned with your card

:37:07. > :37:23.when you come through. It is literally like

:37:24. > :37:27.the Olympic Games. Shoes are fine, up to here,

:37:28. > :37:32.so if you want to... What do you think about Lewis coming

:37:33. > :37:37.down today to visit you guys, Islam and the holy Prophet Mohammad,

:37:38. > :37:45.Sallallahu 'Alaihi wa Sallam, he taught people that Islam

:37:46. > :37:47.teaches you forgiveness, and if you've made a mistake,

:37:48. > :37:50.you've made a mistake, And this has opened up

:37:51. > :37:53.a door for dialogue The whole point is about what is

:37:54. > :38:02.going on in society today, to bring people together,

:38:03. > :38:05.and just to create peace It's great that I have only

:38:06. > :38:09.been here five minutes, and I have learned more in that five

:38:10. > :38:14.minutes than I have in the last 27 years, because the only thing

:38:15. > :38:17.you pick up is on TV, That meat is quite spicy -

:38:18. > :38:24.I'm quite sensitive to spice. On Twitter and stuff,

:38:25. > :38:31.a lot of Muslims I have seen, you know, they have come out

:38:32. > :38:33.and said, you have apologised and that's enough, but you've gone

:38:34. > :38:37.out of your way to come down today. Why did you decide

:38:38. > :38:46.to follow up on that? Because I am a person of influence

:38:47. > :38:49.in the public eye and, you know, I have known that for a while,

:38:50. > :38:52.and what you say can resonate with some people on a personal

:38:53. > :38:57.level, and what I didn't want is people to see that video

:38:58. > :39:00.and think it's OK to do what I did or take it one step further,

:39:01. > :39:03.or two steps further or, you know, have it lead to something

:39:04. > :39:05.completely outrageous, so me being a person of influence,

:39:06. > :39:10.if I can take time out of my day and widen my horizon to look

:39:11. > :39:18.at what Islam is and what it teaches, perhaps other people might

:39:19. > :39:21.take that time or even just be a bit more relaxed about the situation

:39:22. > :39:23.and about what Islam preaches. So we are off to another mosque now,

:39:24. > :39:34.20 minutes from here. Was it awkward meeting those

:39:35. > :39:41.guys down the mosque? The journey to where I was going -

:39:42. > :39:46.I mean, you play scenarios over in your head -

:39:47. > :39:48.is anyone going to be resentful, is anyone going to squeeze your hand

:39:49. > :39:51.too hard when they shake it? You know, will anyone give

:39:52. > :39:53.you a smart comment? Things like that, but ultimately I'm

:39:54. > :39:57.a human being and I messed up, and if I get those reactions

:39:58. > :39:59.from anyone within the community, What I did was offensive,

:40:00. > :40:05.but it has been a real eye opener, meeting everyone and seeing

:40:06. > :40:07.how humble they are, and seeing how peaceful they are,

:40:08. > :40:10.and I think, you know, I think if people saw what I did,

:40:11. > :40:17.it would open their eyes as well. No, I'm not doing the parade

:40:18. > :40:25.this time around. I mean, I don't want

:40:26. > :40:28.to antagonise situations. I don't want people to feel like,

:40:29. > :40:31.he has done what he has done, and know he's out having a great

:40:32. > :40:34.time, he's out partying That must be hard, though,

:40:35. > :40:38.seeing all the other athletes celebrating their victory

:40:39. > :40:43.and success, and not being there? It is hard, but at the same time

:40:44. > :40:46.I'm in this position because of my own actions

:40:47. > :40:48.and my own behaviour. I can get back into the sport,

:40:49. > :40:54.I can do competitions and, you know, I have no doubt that I can be one

:40:55. > :40:58.of the best sportsmen in the world. But I'm not focused on that -

:40:59. > :41:00.people are slapping all sorts of labels on me

:41:01. > :41:02.after the video, and... What kind of things have

:41:03. > :41:04.people been saying? Because it's such a fine

:41:05. > :41:06.line between offence... You know, people have been

:41:07. > :41:08.calling me a racist. I think what was seen

:41:09. > :41:20.in that video is, yes. But in terms of what I stand for,

:41:21. > :41:24.day-to-day, when I wake up in the morning, when I go to bed

:41:25. > :41:27.at night, that video is not a representation of what I am

:41:28. > :41:39.or what I believe in. Have you ever

:41:40. > :42:00.met an imam before? No, never, or if I have I didn't

:42:01. > :42:05.know that they were one. Like I said, I tend to just

:42:06. > :42:10.keep my life sport and the kind If the news comes on,

:42:11. > :42:17.I switch it off, so I live And this whole situation has

:42:18. > :42:22.definitely made me realise there is a bigger world out there,

:42:23. > :42:25.and you need to kind of climb out your little shell and start

:42:26. > :42:28.to kind of look at the world I remember watching Lewis

:42:29. > :42:33.win his medal in 2012, and when you have that association

:42:34. > :42:35.with someone who has represented your country,

:42:36. > :42:40.so when this video came out it was disappointing

:42:41. > :42:42.and I thought, oh, should I have But today shows again that, yeah,

:42:43. > :42:50.it was the right thing to do - we supported you and you are really

:42:51. > :42:53.good at what you do, and we are proud as Britons

:42:54. > :42:56.to support you in every way, so... Thank you very much.

:42:57. > :42:59.It is very kind of you to say. How does it make you

:43:00. > :43:02.feel, hearing that? It backs up my original feelings

:43:03. > :43:06.of being disappointed in myself and it makes me know that I have

:43:07. > :43:10.made the right decision coming here and, you know, embracing

:43:11. > :43:15.what you guys have to offer, and to teach, so I have made

:43:16. > :43:21.the right decision in terms of accepting their invitation

:43:22. > :43:24.incoming and I wish people of accepting their invitation

:43:25. > :43:27.in coming and I wish people who are in a similar situation

:43:28. > :43:30.to me, who are quite ignorant to religion in general,

:43:31. > :43:32.to kind of take a step back I was a little bit nervous

:43:33. > :43:36.about coming down, you know, Feeling a bit of pressure to know

:43:37. > :43:42.more than what I actually do. It has been a very big eye opener,

:43:43. > :43:45.and I am very glad that I took the time to come down and meet

:43:46. > :43:48.the people that I have. Do you think you can now draw a line

:43:49. > :43:51.under all of this Do you know what, I would

:43:52. > :43:56.like to carry on getting to know Hopefully this is the start

:43:57. > :44:05.of something new. There is more on that throughout

:44:06. > :44:10.the day on BBC Asian Network. The European Space Agency is hoping

:44:11. > :44:16.to land a probe on the red planet We'll get the insights of a panel

:44:17. > :44:22.of scientists and stargazers Around 30 child refugees have been

:44:23. > :44:31.brought to the UK this week from the migrant camp in Calais,

:44:32. > :44:35.and we've just heard that another 12 The Government says they're

:44:36. > :44:38.all under 18, but that's been questioned on the basis of photos

:44:39. > :44:41.which show stubble on their chin A facial recognition programme

:44:42. > :44:47.is said to estimate one But the Home Office says

:44:48. > :44:53.its assessments are based on interviews and judgements

:44:54. > :44:54.about physical appearance The Conservative MP David Davies

:44:55. > :44:58.is calling for all child migrants to have their teeth tested

:44:59. > :45:01.to check their ages, but the British Dental Association

:45:02. > :45:05.says it would be unethical. That's because you can't do x-rays

:45:06. > :45:23.unless they're for medical reasons We will speak to them in just a

:45:24. > :45:30.moment. First, our correspondent is that the camp in Calais. How do

:45:31. > :45:38.officials decide who is allowed to come to the UK? That is being

:45:39. > :45:41.organised by a group called Safe Passage UK. They said the main

:45:42. > :45:47.checks on people are either some of the children had passports or they

:45:48. > :45:51.make contact with the family members in the UK and try to build up as

:45:52. > :45:56.bigger picture as they can have exactly how vulnerable these

:45:57. > :46:00.children are and how old they are by speaking to those relatives. These

:46:01. > :46:06.charities don't do any medical checks over here because they don't

:46:07. > :46:15.feel that is their job. They have to rely on documentation and speaking

:46:16. > :46:19.to relatives. I spoke to the sub prefect of some of the officials who

:46:20. > :46:23.has been overseeing the process of moving them from the channel to the

:46:24. > :46:46.UK. We've seen 12 more children leave

:46:47. > :46:53.the jungle, they saw younger -- they were younger than the children we

:46:54. > :46:58.saw arriving in the UK on Monday, we had 14 on Monday, 13 yesterday, it's

:46:59. > :47:04.a process continuing and we are told 100 likely to make the journey this

:47:05. > :47:08.week. One of those expected to arrive is the 13-year-old boy who

:47:09. > :47:20.featured in our exclusive film with Lily Allen.

:47:21. > :47:30.The camp is closing in a couple of weeks. What are you going to do?

:47:31. > :47:37.You've been trying to jump on lorries to get into the UK. That

:47:38. > :48:05.must be terrifying. If that scary? From what I'm hearing from the

:48:06. > :48:12.refugee volunteers in the camp, you've got a legal right to be in

:48:13. > :48:19.the UK. Had he started that process? Have you filled out the forums?

:48:20. > :48:42.I apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

:48:43. > :49:28.through. Simon, that 13-year-old's father

:49:29. > :49:33.lives in Birmingham. You've spoken to the boy today. He was one of the

:49:34. > :49:44.12 children who were setting off today and being taken across the

:49:45. > :49:48.Channel. Today, smiling faces, he told me he was looking forward to

:49:49. > :49:52.being reunited with members of his family. He'd been living in the

:49:53. > :50:00.jungle for months and said that was no place for a human being, echoing

:50:01. > :50:06.the thoughts Lily Allen made when she came over. Small thoughts. It is

:50:07. > :50:11.thought there are around 1000 other unaccompanied children here.

:50:12. > :50:21.Potentially only 100 will come to the UK. The clock is ticking because

:50:22. > :50:26.these ramshackle huts will be torn down as early as next Monday. The

:50:27. > :50:36.key thinker charities is to get the children out of this situation

:50:37. > :50:43.before that destruction begins. Some newspapers have used this photograph

:50:44. > :50:52.but charities have told us they believe he is in fact a translator.

:50:53. > :50:58.In a few moments we hope to speak to the Conservative MP for Monmouth,

:50:59. > :51:03.David Davies. Before that we will talk to Zoe Gardner, Caroline

:51:04. > :51:07.Gregory and Judith husband, chair of the British dental Association's

:51:08. > :51:16.education, ethics and dental team working group. Would it be possible

:51:17. > :51:23.to take x-rays of some of the refugees Keith to ascertain their

:51:24. > :51:27.age? This has been suggested many times over the years and there has

:51:28. > :51:32.been a huge amount of research done. It seems like a cheap solution but

:51:33. > :51:36.there is a huge range in development of the human body, especially wisdom

:51:37. > :51:42.teeth, which is what we are talking about. As we know, some people can

:51:43. > :51:47.have their wisdom teeth when they are 16, 17. Some into their 20s.

:51:48. > :51:51.Some don't have wisdom teeth at all. It is a very inaccurate way of

:51:52. > :51:54.trying to ascertain a complex decision because we are always

:51:55. > :52:05.talking about a definite point in time, the age 18, whether somebody

:52:06. > :52:10.is younger or older. We can the vine range but to say a specific age is

:52:11. > :52:16.almost impossible -- defined. Would it be ethical in your view? It is

:52:17. > :52:23.absolutely not ethical. It involves informed consent. Even though the

:52:24. > :52:26.risk of radiation is very low there is still a risk and if there is no

:52:27. > :52:34.benefit for the individual we should not be undertaking it. Whilst we try

:52:35. > :52:44.and track down David Davies, let's hear a clip of what he said earlier.

:52:45. > :52:49.When you look at the photographs you can see why there is some doubt some

:52:50. > :52:54.of these refugees are not under the age of 18. I think the clip you were

:52:55. > :53:01.talking about there, where charities are saying this photograph being

:53:02. > :53:07.touted of this as actually being a translator, speaks to this wider

:53:08. > :53:11.media narrative, this hysteria from people sitting at home thinking that

:53:12. > :53:16.is not right. Do you think it is hysteria? We are talking about 30

:53:17. > :53:21.young people who are homeless and have fled some of the most dangerous

:53:22. > :53:24.countries in the world, coming to be rejoined and sleep in a bed tonight

:53:25. > :53:30.with their family members. I think it is hysteria. But do you accept

:53:31. > :53:33.that the public need to have confidence in the system?

:53:34. > :53:37.Absolutely, but we need to accept that the narrative being put forward

:53:38. > :53:41.in some of the tabloid press, that has been absolutely shamefully

:53:42. > :53:46.picked up on by opportunistic MPs, is absolutely false. We have a very

:53:47. > :53:50.rigorous system of checks for age assessments, they are extremely

:53:51. > :53:56.harrowing. We work every day with child asylum seekers and we know

:53:57. > :54:00.what they go through. We know that we see so many cases of people who

:54:01. > :54:09.turn out to be 14, 15, who have been questioned for hours on their own

:54:10. > :54:12.with no responsible adult present, no legal representation, to try to

:54:13. > :54:19.catch them out to ascertain their age. Far more often, we see hundreds

:54:20. > :54:26.and hundreds of children being paid out of court settlements because

:54:27. > :54:30.they are detained in detention centres because they are

:54:31. > :54:38.misdiagnosed as being adults. There are far more cases of young people

:54:39. > :54:53.falsely claiming than vice versa. We are talking about young people

:54:54. > :54:57.fleeing war zones. There are two teams in Calais, but we've just had

:54:58. > :55:00.this in from the Home Office, sources suggest that migrant

:55:01. > :55:07.children arriving from Calais will be subject to additional checks in

:55:08. > :55:11.the UK. What those additional checks include, further interviews about

:55:12. > :55:16.their background and their fingerprints will be cross checked

:55:17. > :55:30.with other details. We can talk to David Davies in Westminster. Can you

:55:31. > :55:34.see me? Thank you for talking to us. It is the government who decides

:55:35. > :55:42.which refugees come to Britain from Calais and there are two Home Office

:55:43. > :55:47.teams in Calais working out who can come. What is the issue? At the

:55:48. > :55:50.moment the government guidance is if somebody says they are under the age

:55:51. > :55:55.of 18 they need to be given the benefit of the doubt. They are not

:55:56. > :56:00.just asking one simple question, is it? They are asking questions but

:56:01. > :56:04.they need to give the benefit of the doubt. What I'm saying is that is

:56:05. > :56:10.probably not quite as stringent as I would like. Particularly given the

:56:11. > :56:14.appearance of all the people coming over. There is a test which will

:56:15. > :56:18.determine their age with a fair degree of accuracy and I think where

:56:19. > :56:24.there are doubts then we ought to be willing to ask people to undergo a

:56:25. > :56:32.quick dental check or wrist x-rayed. Where would that take place? In a

:56:33. > :56:37.medical centre. In this country? Ideally in France. Do you think

:56:38. > :56:40.there are x-ray machines in the jungle? I'm not suggesting that.

:56:41. > :56:45.You'd obviously have to do it in a proper medical place, I'm not

:56:46. > :56:49.suggesting that. I know that some people are quite emotional about

:56:50. > :56:54.this and I just think we don't get carried away. Everyone in Britain

:56:55. > :56:57.wants to help genuine children. The NGOs were suggesting young children

:56:58. > :57:02.need help and I want that helped to be to them. There are also going to

:57:03. > :57:09.be people there who will say or do anything to get into the UK and

:57:10. > :57:13.we've got to be careful we don't allow people to abuse the

:57:14. > :57:16.hospitality we want to extend to children. Where somebody has an

:57:17. > :57:20.appearance that makes them look like they are well into their 20s, we

:57:21. > :57:26.could be putting at risk people in this country. I dealt with a case

:57:27. > :57:30.where a woman who was a foster carer was asked to foster what she thought

:57:31. > :57:35.was a 12 or 13-year-old boy who turned out to be in his 20s, and as

:57:36. > :57:40.serious offence took place which is still going through the courts.

:57:41. > :57:44.We've got to be mindful of the fact that if people are lying about their

:57:45. > :57:49.age they could be putting at risk other people. Particularly if we're

:57:50. > :57:53.going to put people schools. I'd like to introduce you to Judith

:57:54. > :57:59.husband. She is the chair of the British dental Association's

:58:00. > :58:05.education, ethics working group. Could you tell David Davis about the

:58:06. > :58:14.accuracy of those checks? I want to pick up on the comment of a quick

:58:15. > :58:17.dental check. It's a very complex set of decisions, even once the

:58:18. > :58:21.radiograph is taken. An ordinary dentist would not be able to make

:58:22. > :58:25.that decision, it has been evidenced that the huge range we are looking

:58:26. > :58:29.at in development within individuals, these are not accurate

:58:30. > :58:34.on an individual level. Especially when we are talking about deciding

:58:35. > :58:40.whether someone is 17 or 21. It is inaccurate as well as being

:58:41. > :58:45.unethical. Can I come back on that? I would first of all say that I

:58:46. > :58:50.don't think it is unethical at all and you seem to have gone very big

:58:51. > :58:54.on this question of whether it is ethical. That's a matter of judgment

:58:55. > :58:58.and we will have to beg to differ. These tests are used in all

:58:59. > :59:08.countries around the world, they've been used without controversy. We

:59:09. > :59:14.use them in the UK at the moment. You've come on to say we don't like

:59:15. > :59:20.them but we've been using them for 20 years. You are absolutely

:59:21. > :59:25.correct. I was involved ten years ago and 2011 as well. We had an

:59:26. > :59:29.expert group, we look at all the evidence and complications and it is

:59:30. > :59:37.not a case of just taking one radiograph or x-ray. It is very

:59:38. > :59:44.complex, decision process, eating an individual, as has already been

:59:45. > :59:52.alluded to. -- ageing. The interviews and gathering life

:59:53. > :00:00.experiences. Just to state that a simple dental radiograph will solve

:00:01. > :00:04.our problem is simply not true. I was good to introduce you to

:00:05. > :00:13.Caroline Gregory, a volunteer in the Calais camp. Is it fair to say some

:00:14. > :00:19.of the refugees will say they were under 18 because they are desperate

:00:20. > :00:24.to get to Britain? I disagree with that. That has not been our

:00:25. > :00:27.experience here. These checks have been thorough and these judgments

:00:28. > :00:34.being made about these children based on their appearance, and yet I

:00:35. > :00:38.know that Mr Davies says they've got lines around the rise and they look

:00:39. > :00:42.older than he has but I would suggest they have had far harder

:00:43. > :00:46.alive than he has had, they've not had the comfort he has had, many of

:00:47. > :00:51.them have seen their children killed in front of them and experienced

:00:52. > :00:53.very great trauma and that is why they were older than 18. How do you

:00:54. > :01:03.respond to that? it If people have had hard lives

:01:04. > :01:09.they end up looking younger because they won't go through puberty at the

:01:10. > :01:14.same time as people brought up in a more comfortable lifestyle. Zoe is

:01:15. > :01:18.smiling at your suggestion that they would end up looking younger? I was

:01:19. > :01:24.at the camp last year and everywhere I went there were caravans run by

:01:25. > :01:27.activists and NGOs and all sorts of people offering advice to people on

:01:28. > :01:32.what to say in order to get into the United Kingdom. So it frankly

:01:33. > :01:38.beggars belief that somebody who is willing to jump on to a moving lorry

:01:39. > :01:42.or risk jumping on to a live rail wouldn't be willing to exaggerate

:01:43. > :01:46.their age if it meant they will be able to get into the UK. It is

:01:47. > :01:49.naivety to think that and especially as we have been into that camp and

:01:50. > :01:52.we know there are people there who will tell you what to say. There is

:01:53. > :02:03.a suggestion from some of the charities that at least one of the

:02:04. > :02:07.photographs in today's newspaper is of a translator? I don't know that.

:02:08. > :02:11.There have been various photographs and doubts raised over the age

:02:12. > :02:16.partly because the NGOs gave us the impression that we would be dealing

:02:17. > :02:20.with children as young as ten, 11 or 12. It is two Home Office teams

:02:21. > :02:23.making the decisions in Calais? I have gone through the Government

:02:24. > :02:26.advice as to what they have to do. They have told to give anyone the

:02:27. > :02:29.benefit of the doubt if they say they are under the age of 18. I'm

:02:30. > :02:33.suggesting perhaps that guidance needs to be updated and perhaps we

:02:34. > :02:37.shouldn't give everyone the benefit of the doubt and we should make the

:02:38. > :02:43.assumption that just possibly some people will be willing to frankly

:02:44. > :02:48.tell fibs if it means the difference between getting into the UK or not

:02:49. > :02:52.getting into the UK. It is obvious that will happen. I have walked

:02:53. > :02:55.around the camp and I have seen the notices saying, "Come in, we will

:02:56. > :03:01.tell you what to say in order to get into the UK." I would ask you to ask

:03:02. > :03:07.the activists to deny that's going on. I have got it on YouTube. If

:03:08. > :03:13.anyone wants to see it, it is on YouTube.

:03:14. > :03:17.We will talk to a former refugee about his legal challenge to the

:03:18. > :03:26.Government over the Calais child migrants.

:03:27. > :03:30.It is time for the weather. It is looking good across large swathes of

:03:31. > :03:34.the United Kingdom. It is looking good in the West Midlands and it is

:03:35. > :03:38.a pretty picture down in the south-west of England. This was

:03:39. > :03:42.taken in Dorset. However, the further east you go, the skies are

:03:43. > :03:46.looking threatening out towards Norfolk. There is thicker cloud and

:03:47. > :03:49.there is a scattering of showers up and down the eastern coast. That's

:03:50. > :03:54.where we have got a breeze. One or two showers further west into parts

:03:55. > :03:58.of Wales, but the focus is across the eastern side of England towards

:03:59. > :04:03.Suffolk. We will see showers coming in on the breeze, but moving away

:04:04. > :04:06.further inland and most places are fine and dry. Good spells of

:04:07. > :04:09.sunshine for many. There maybe a shower or to in the north and east

:04:10. > :04:13.of Scotland. Head further west and it is dry and bright and spells of

:04:14. > :04:16.sunshine. Not particularly windy. It is 12 or 13 Celsius in Northern

:04:17. > :04:19.Ireland, patchy cloud and some spells of sunshine. Showers, few and

:04:20. > :04:22.far between through the afternoon across Wales and the south-west of

:04:23. > :04:26.England. Some lengthy spells of sunshine, but a shower or two, but

:04:27. > :04:30.most of the showers will be further east where it is breezy. Top

:04:31. > :04:33.temperatures around 14 and maybe 15 Celsius if you're lucky. Through

:04:34. > :04:37.this evening, we keep the showers going on the eastern side of

:04:38. > :04:40.England. Still breezy. Elsewhere, the winds are lighter, particularly

:04:41. > :04:42.so across Scotland and Northern Ireland, and it is here where we

:04:43. > :04:46.will see temperatures dipping away to five or six Celsius in the centre

:04:47. > :04:48.of Glasgow. Lower than in rural spots. A touch of frost and maybe

:04:49. > :04:54.some fog patches by dawn. I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:04:55. > :04:58.welcome to the programme This morning, our exclusive

:04:59. > :05:01.investigation into the side-effects I didn't know what on earth

:05:02. > :05:08.was happening to me. I guessed it could be

:05:09. > :05:10.the medication. I reinstated and all

:05:11. > :05:12.the migraines and the muscle aches, everything just

:05:13. > :05:28.stopped instantly. Many of you are saying those

:05:29. > :05:30.symptoms are the result of taking antidepressants.

:05:31. > :05:40.About one in 100 people are thought to experience side-effects.

:05:41. > :05:48.We'll be talking to some of them shortly.

:05:49. > :05:54.We have been told there will be extra age checks for child refugees

:05:55. > :05:59.after they have arrived in the UK. Some observers say they look a lot

:06:00. > :06:03.older than 18. The narrative that's been put

:06:04. > :06:09.forward in some of the tabloid press has been shamefully picked up on by

:06:10. > :06:13.opportunistic MPs is false. We have a very rigorous system of checks for

:06:14. > :06:14.age assessments and they're harrowing.

:06:15. > :06:19.It's a question that's been asked for most of our lives and we might

:06:20. > :06:41.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:42. > :06:52.Sources the Home Office say it is unlikely that any migrants would be

:06:53. > :06:59.returned to Calais as they would be able to claim asylum in the UK

:07:00. > :07:02.regardless of age. Several newspapers have questioned

:07:03. > :07:03.the age of youths who have been brought here this week. 12 more will

:07:04. > :07:06.arrive today. Police have begun a murder inquiry

:07:07. > :07:09.after a prisoner was stabbed to death at Pentonville jail

:07:10. > :07:12.in north London. Two other inmates were

:07:13. > :07:15.critically wounded. The Prison Governors Association

:07:16. > :07:21.says there's been an unprecedented rise in the number of violent

:07:22. > :07:24.incidents and deaths in jails in England and Wales,

:07:25. > :07:26.since staffing cuts were ordered two The US has accused the so-called

:07:27. > :07:31.Islamic State group of using civilians as human shields

:07:32. > :07:33.in the battle for the American-led airstrikes have been

:07:34. > :07:36.supporting the offensive by the Iraqi army and other ground

:07:37. > :07:39.forces to retake the city, which is the militant group's last

:07:40. > :07:41.major stronghold in the country. The military campaign began

:07:42. > :07:44.on Monday, and there's increasing concern for civilians

:07:45. > :07:57.trapped by the fighting. The UK jobless rate held steady a

:07:58. > :08:00.near 11 year low of 4.9% in the three months to August. The Office

:08:01. > :08:04.for National Statistics says there are now 1.66 million people out of

:08:05. > :08:07.work which is an increase of 10,000 people. The organisation says it

:08:08. > :08:12.shows confidence in the economy. People who say their lives have

:08:13. > :08:14.been ruined by commonly prescribed antidepressants,

:08:15. > :08:16.known as SSRIs, are due to take their case to

:08:17. > :08:18.Parliament later today. It's thought about one in 100 people

:08:19. > :08:21.experience severe side-effects This programme has been speaking

:08:22. > :08:26.to some people who've experienced That's a summary of

:08:27. > :08:33.the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

:08:34. > :08:41.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:08:42. > :08:46.and if you text, you will be charged Leicester City now have more points

:08:47. > :08:57.in the Champions League than they do They beat the Danish

:08:58. > :09:01.champions FC Copenhagen 1-0 at the King Power stadium

:09:02. > :09:07.to make it three wins out Riyadh Mahrez scored

:09:08. > :09:12.the only goal of the game. Kasper Schmeichel made a terrific

:09:13. > :09:18.save in the last minute as Leicester No other Champions League side can

:09:19. > :09:28.boast that record but the manager wishes they could perform just as

:09:29. > :09:39.well on the home front. It is it is OK. All through my

:09:40. > :09:42.career this happened. When you play in a big competition you lose

:09:43. > :09:44.something when you go back into your League. That's normal, but we want

:09:45. > :09:54.to change this way. Tottenham now have one win and one

:09:55. > :10:04.defeat and now Spurs say second in their group

:10:05. > :10:14.a point behind Monaco. There are three clubs playing

:10:15. > :10:16.in the Champions League tonight. Pep Guardiola returns to the Nou

:10:17. > :10:18.Camp. The Manchester City manager won 14

:10:19. > :10:20.trophies as Barca boss He also won the Champions League

:10:21. > :10:30.with them as a player. City are going through a bit

:10:31. > :10:33.of sticky patch, without a win in three matches inclduing a 3-3

:10:34. > :10:36.draw with Celtic in their last Champions league match,

:10:37. > :10:45.but a return to the Nou Camp It will be special especially when I

:10:46. > :10:52.see people who I like to see. I like. When you travel around, you

:10:53. > :10:56.remember the places and the people you met and that's the case. So my

:10:57. > :11:07.family is here. So that's why I'm always happy.

:11:08. > :11:18.The Premier League's Executive director Bill Bush has admitted that

:11:19. > :11:22.several clubs are short of reaching the accessible stadia guidelines

:11:23. > :11:32.that are supposed to be met by the start of next

:11:33. > :11:37.He was called before a Government select committee

:11:38. > :11:39.hearing where Lord Holmes of the Equality and Human Rights

:11:40. > :11:41.Commission criticsied the League for only satisfying legal

:11:42. > :11:44.requirements when it comes to disabled access

:11:45. > :11:52.There isn't a culture of inclusion. There isn't a culture of compliance.

:11:53. > :11:54.That's the sport for now. I will be back with the headlines in half an

:11:55. > :12:04.hour. Thank you very much, Olly.

:12:05. > :12:06.People who say their lives have been ruined by commonly

:12:07. > :12:08.prescribed anti-depressants, known as SSRIs, are taking

:12:09. > :12:12.Some users have told this programme the tablets have made them suicidal.

:12:13. > :12:14.It's estimated about one in 100 people experiences severe

:12:15. > :12:16.side-effects as a result of taking the tablets.

:12:17. > :12:19.Though it's worth pointing out that for most people, they do improve

:12:20. > :12:23.We played you Lesley Ashmall's full report in the last hour.

:12:24. > :12:31.One in 11 British adults takes anti-depressants.

:12:32. > :12:34.The number of pills prescribed has doubled in the last decade.

:12:35. > :12:42.In England last year, 61 million tablets were handed out.

:12:43. > :12:48.They cost the NHS ?780,000 a day, but they are not helping everyone.

:12:49. > :12:52.And that's when I was put on to 100mg of those.

:12:53. > :12:54.Claire says the drugs have left her virtually bedridden.

:12:55. > :12:57.She started taking them 20 years ago whilst caring for her sick

:12:58. > :13:05.mother and studying for her exams at Cambridge.

:13:06. > :13:08.I took them and descended into suicidality within days.

:13:09. > :13:18.I couldn't read. I couldn't concentrate on anything.

:13:19. > :13:31.I was absolutely wanting to take my life continually.

:13:32. > :13:34.She's not alone, suffering side-effects whilst on the drugs

:13:35. > :13:40.which are, after all, designed to affect how the brain works.

:13:41. > :13:43.It's generally thought depression happens when the level of the mood

:13:44. > :13:54.The anti-depressant is designed to stop that happening.

:13:55. > :13:58.But David Healy, who has written books about the subject,

:13:59. > :14:03.thinks the drugs could make some people's symptoms worse.

:14:04. > :14:11.One in four people become more anxious rather than less

:14:12. > :14:13.and they can become extraordinarily anxious so some people become very

:14:14. > :14:16.agitated and some go on from that to become suicidal.

:14:17. > :14:20.The drugs can become the problem that they are then used to treat.

:14:21. > :14:24.We asked the drug companies for interviews but they declined.

:14:25. > :14:26.They say there are plenty of warnings in the literature

:14:27. > :14:31.The problem is, the literature is literally arm's length.

:14:32. > :14:40.And GPs admit it is not often taken seriously.

:14:41. > :14:45.What the companies have to do is they have to include every

:14:46. > :14:46.side-effect that anyone has ever described.

:14:47. > :14:49.It might actually not be anything to do with the tablet.

:14:50. > :14:53.The answer is yes, there is a very long list of potential side-effects

:14:54. > :15:04.for anti-depressants but we also must not

:15:05. > :15:06.underestimate the impact that severe depression has.

:15:07. > :15:07.Moderate depression, severe depression wrecks lives.

:15:08. > :15:09.But Darren, which isn't his real name, wishes

:15:10. > :15:14.He developed severe muscle spasms and a stammer.

:15:15. > :15:25.I could stop it, but if I do, something else goes.

:15:26. > :15:28.It may be a minority of people that have these extreme reactions

:15:29. > :15:32.They have got to realise that that one person might be their patient.

:15:33. > :15:58.Had is a text from Kate, "Without antidepressants, I would not be able

:15:59. > :16:02.to function and may not be here now. Please remind people there is a

:16:03. > :16:07.balance and to seek support from their GP." This texter, who doesn't

:16:08. > :16:09.leave their name says, "Antidepressants should not be a

:16:10. > :16:14.long-term fix. They should be used to enable people to face their

:16:15. > :16:20.issues for a short period of time. Doctors prescribe and forget and

:16:21. > :16:25.repeat prescriptions are handed out, no counselling and support and no

:16:26. > :16:28.assessment as to which medication is best for the individuals." That

:16:29. > :16:41.story came from one of our viewers. We can talk now to two

:16:42. > :16:43.people who've experienced problems with the drugs -

:16:44. > :16:45.Katinka Blackford Newman, who had severe side effects

:16:46. > :16:47.and James Moore who suffered terrible withdrawal symptoms

:16:48. > :16:49.when he tried to come off them. Professor Linda Gask is a retired

:16:50. > :16:52.psychiatrist who believes without antidepressants

:16:53. > :16:53.she wouldn't be alive. And, Professor David Healy

:16:54. > :16:55.is a Psychiatrist with the University of Bangor,

:16:56. > :17:04.who believes these drugs You suffered hallucinations and many

:17:05. > :17:10.other side-effects. Tell us what you experienced. I took them for

:17:11. > :17:18.insomnia and literally within hours I went into trancelike state and

:17:19. > :17:23.toxic to helium when I was hallucinating, I thought I had

:17:24. > :17:29.killed my children. I took a kitchen knife and I attacked myself. I don't

:17:30. > :17:36.even remember that. I was highly psychotic. I ended up in a hospital,

:17:37. > :17:44.they did not realise it was caused by antidepressants and they gave me

:17:45. > :17:48.more anti-psychotics, I suffered side-effects to the point where I

:17:49. > :17:57.could not leave the house or hold a conversation, could not feel love

:17:58. > :18:03.for my children, and I was ready to end my life, it was not worth

:18:04. > :18:11.living. I went to hospital they took me off all the drugs. It was clear

:18:12. > :18:17.that I was suffering severe side effects from these drugs. When you

:18:18. > :18:24.tried to come off antidepressants, how was it? It chimed with the

:18:25. > :18:29.experiences you've had on the show so far. Nobody gives you any warning

:18:30. > :18:33.when you try to stop these drugs how difficult it is going to be. People

:18:34. > :18:37.with mental health already have plenty to deal with and to give them

:18:38. > :18:47.even more feels really unfair. It was extremely unpleasant trying to

:18:48. > :18:55.reduce. Every time I tried, I with anxiety, with the shakes, -- I

:18:56. > :19:00.suffered with anxiety. It was deeply unpleasant. I went to see my doctor

:19:01. > :19:05.and he said it was the return of my original symptoms. That wasn't the

:19:06. > :19:10.case. I really wasn't prepared for how difficult it was going to be.

:19:11. > :19:20.You've said you would not be alive without antidepressants. It is

:19:21. > :19:24.certainly a theme from our viewers. They've sent things with similar

:19:25. > :19:30.thoughts. How have they helped you? They've helped me keep going when

:19:31. > :19:35.I've been very depressed, I've not been able to function, not been able

:19:36. > :19:40.to think clearly. Sometimes not been able to get out of bed. Lost weight,

:19:41. > :19:47.felt I was worthless, considered ending my life. On the occasions

:19:48. > :19:50.when I've gone on to antidepressants, they've helped a

:19:51. > :19:57.great deal and got me back to the point where I could work and

:19:58. > :20:01.contribute again. I would not be here now if I'd not been able to

:20:02. > :20:06.take them. I've been on them for a long time because I had three

:20:07. > :20:10.episodes in three years. At that point the decision was I should stay

:20:11. > :20:15.on them. I've had psychotherapy as well because for severe depression

:20:16. > :20:21.you should have a combination of the two. Professor David Healy. Around

:20:22. > :20:27.one in 100 will experience side effects. The majority of people find

:20:28. > :20:35.using antidepressants very helpful. You accept that? I don't. We know

:20:36. > :20:39.that roughly half the people who go on stop within a month and this is

:20:40. > :20:50.largely because they don't like the effects. They make them feel

:20:51. > :20:54.extraordinarily bad. About a quarter of people can become more anxious on

:20:55. > :21:01.these drugs rather than less. There is an order group of drugs that can

:21:02. > :21:08.be tremendous for people who are severely depressed. -- older group

:21:09. > :21:16.of drugs. They also cause problems but they are worth trading off. The

:21:17. > :21:20.later group of drugs, the SSRIs, haven't been shown to work in people

:21:21. > :21:26.who are severely depressed but come with tremendous problems. It is not

:21:27. > :21:39.always clear that the severity of the condition is worth taking the

:21:40. > :21:43.risk of. What should GPs do? A large number of problems I think that will

:21:44. > :21:51.resolve of their own accord, different to the counter problems.

:21:52. > :22:04.These are things that will resolve in 12-16 weeks. They say, we have

:22:05. > :22:09.bills, they may be useful if your condition is not clearing up. But

:22:10. > :22:15.you can get through this with some support from the and some

:22:16. > :22:27.problem-solving, you will be more resilient in the future. At the time

:22:28. > :22:35.you had anxiety, worrying about losing the home, would you have gone

:22:36. > :22:41.away reassured? Whether I would have gone away reassured or not is

:22:42. > :22:48.irrelevant. Actually, when we look at the scientific literature, these

:22:49. > :22:54.pills have been shown to be no more effective than placebo in treating

:22:55. > :23:03.mild to a depression. -- mild tomb at depression. It would have saved

:23:04. > :23:08.the year of my life. If you had known these would sort themselves

:23:09. > :23:15.out would you have left reassured? It takes a brave GP to tell someone

:23:16. > :23:21.to go away for a few weeks or try some therapy but the fact is, an

:23:22. > :23:27.interesting point, she was prescribed these for insomnia. They

:23:28. > :23:32.are prescribed off label for a whole range of conditions like IBS, people

:23:33. > :23:37.take them and then they find they cannot come off. It doesn't seem

:23:38. > :23:41.right. I appreciate doctors are in a difficult position but if the focus

:23:42. > :23:46.is on the start of treatment that is fine but what happens at the end of

:23:47. > :23:50.treatment? You talked about the literature earlier. There is a list

:23:51. > :23:57.of side effect as long as your arm. There's nothing about how to safely

:23:58. > :24:06.stop taking the drugs. Did you have a conversation about side-effects

:24:07. > :24:10.and getting off these eventually? I did. As I was a psychiatrist I

:24:11. > :24:17.already knew about the side-effects and I've experienced them. I'd like

:24:18. > :24:21.to come back on a point of David Healy. I took the older

:24:22. > :24:25.antidepressants as well and one of the reasons SSRIs were a step

:24:26. > :24:32.forward was because the side-effects from those ones were pretty

:24:33. > :24:37.horrible. Dry mouth, when I stood up in the morning I would feel like I

:24:38. > :24:46.would fall over. Very dozy and dopey. SSRIs were a step forward at

:24:47. > :24:50.that point. I don't doubt in any way that some people have severe and

:24:51. > :24:57.serious side-effects but I think they do help a lot of people and...

:24:58. > :25:03.Thank you very much. Really appreciated. Do let us know your own

:25:04. > :25:15.experience. Still to come before 11. Claimed that Islamic State fighters

:25:16. > :25:21.are using civilians as human shields in the battle for Mosul.

:25:22. > :25:25.It's a question that's been asked for most of our lives -

:25:26. > :25:28.and Mars - our nearest neighbour has long been considered the most likely

:25:29. > :25:31.place to host a form of life in our solar system.

:25:32. > :25:37.The European Space Agency is hoping to make history later,

:25:38. > :25:39.by landing a small probe on the surface of Mars.

:25:40. > :25:42.If the mission is successful, the Agency will use the same

:25:43. > :25:44.techniques to land a rover - which will drill deep

:25:45. > :25:47.into the surface of the planet to help prove whether or not

:25:48. > :25:55.Let's talk to Andrew Coates and Anne Wellbrock who are working

:25:56. > :25:58.on the project, alongside veteran stargazer Robin Scagell.

:25:59. > :26:00.And from mission control, we have another British scientist,

:26:01. > :26:16.Thank you for coming on the programme. We're going to speak to

:26:17. > :26:24.Manish in a second. In the meantime, what are we waiting for today? There

:26:25. > :26:27.are two spacecraft getting to Mars, one is the orbiter which will look

:26:28. > :26:33.for signs of methane. There is also the lander, which will land on the

:26:34. > :26:36.surface. It's a complicated mission involving both of those elements but

:26:37. > :26:41.both of those things are happening this afternoon. Really exciting day.

:26:42. > :26:45.Looking from methane on Mars is important because it can tell us

:26:46. > :26:50.about life on Mars. In what way? Just explain that. Methane should be

:26:51. > :26:54.very short lived in the Martian environment. What we are seeing is a

:26:55. > :26:59.trace gas, but nevertheless it is there. The fact it is there is

:27:00. > :27:07.interesting because it should break up in the sunlight. It means there

:27:08. > :27:12.is a source, which could be either geothermal activity or potentially

:27:13. > :27:22.life. We will follow up on these this afternoon. It is going to drill

:27:23. > :27:31.underneath the surface and look for signs of life. These are exciting.

:27:32. > :27:33.If that happens successfully then the European Space Agency joins this

:27:34. > :27:41.exclusive club. Only the Americans have landed up probe on Mars. Yes.

:27:42. > :27:45.There are many American probes on Mars and it's great to see the

:27:46. > :27:51.Europeans joining them. Search for life on Mars is potentially

:27:52. > :27:57.ground-breaking in terms of the effect. It will be like landing man

:27:58. > :28:06.on the moon, in terms of the way people view what we've done. This is

:28:07. > :28:10.an important mission. Why is this a particularly interesting time to be

:28:11. > :28:14.looking for a life on Mars? In the past we've learned Mars is a lot

:28:15. > :28:21.more active than we first bought. Initially, a few years ago we

:28:22. > :28:28.thought it was a very dead and dry planet. But we now know it was once

:28:29. > :28:30.wet and active. It may still be active now. It will be really

:28:31. > :28:36.interesting to look for life using these missions, especially looking

:28:37. > :28:43.for methane and trace gases of methane. Looking to see if it might

:28:44. > :28:49.be a biological source. We also know that on the surface of Mars the

:28:50. > :28:57.radiation is quite harsh because the atmosphere is not very thick. Under

:28:58. > :29:02.the surface there might be microbial life. This is what we're going to do

:29:03. > :29:06.with the Mars rover. We will drill down into the surface. It is a good

:29:07. > :29:11.time because we know that Mars might have been more active than we

:29:12. > :29:15.previously thought. We know a lot more about Mars than we did a few

:29:16. > :29:24.years ago, even, because there's been a lot of missions. Explain what

:29:25. > :29:30.this is. This is a model of our camera system which we are leaving

:29:31. > :29:36.for the 2020 Rover which will launch in 2020 and in 2021 it will land on

:29:37. > :29:41.the surface. You are very confident. It has got to work today for it to

:29:42. > :29:45.happen. All of this is very important and the build-up to what

:29:46. > :29:51.we really want to do in 2020. This is a model of the camera system, it

:29:52. > :29:57.is sitting the same height as a person above the surface. It has

:29:58. > :30:02.wide-angle cameras to get 3-D models. It has very good geology

:30:03. > :30:07.filters to get a good context of geology on the surface. There is a

:30:08. > :30:11.high-resolution camera. With that we get the context for where we are

:30:12. > :30:17.going to drill. The really historic and exciting thing is it will be

:30:18. > :30:20.drilling underneath the surface two metres to look for signs of life

:30:21. > :30:23.because previously they've only been able to do five centimetres

:30:24. > :30:29.underneath the surface. This is 40 times better. Are you confident this

:30:30. > :30:33.probe is going to get through the atmosphere and land successfully?

:30:34. > :30:40.Who can be certain? If we knew we would be a different business.

:30:41. > :30:43.Obviously there's always a chance. A lot of probes have failed but once

:30:44. > :30:49.you get that far, one hopes there will be success.

:30:50. > :30:51.The United States says so-called Islamic State militants

:30:52. > :30:54.are using innocent civilians as human shields.

:30:55. > :30:56.It comes as Iraqi and Kurdish forces continue

:30:57. > :30:58.their offensive to try and capture the group's stronghold

:30:59. > :31:05.Around 700,000 people are thought to remain in the city including up

:31:06. > :31:14.Tarik Kadir is leading the Mosul response

:31:15. > :31:22.He joins me now from the nearly city of Irbil.

:31:23. > :31:31.What can you tell us from Irbil? We can say that we are starting to see

:31:32. > :31:36.which is a change from yesterday a lot of people displaced from the

:31:37. > :31:42.areas of fighting and now in areas where we can access them. OK. And in

:31:43. > :31:47.terms of preparations for what may happen over the coming days and

:31:48. > :31:52.weeks, what are you doing? Well, at the moment we're organising truck

:31:53. > :31:57.loads of core relief items for families as well as water, simply

:31:58. > :32:04.water because the areas that people are being displaced to, often there

:32:05. > :32:09.has been no arrangement put in place to provide basic food and water. Can

:32:10. > :32:15.anyone here help? Yes, certainly. I think the attention to the situation

:32:16. > :32:19.and at last we are seeing this area what's been isolated for the past

:32:20. > :32:23.two years is coming under access from the outside world. I think the

:32:24. > :32:28.donations of a lot of people have been very helpful in order for us to

:32:29. > :32:32.put in place our teams to respond to the beneficiary needs especially

:32:33. > :32:37.those of children. I mean, in terms of people trying to get out of

:32:38. > :32:43.Mosul, whether that's even possible or not, would that be the wisest

:32:44. > :32:47.thing for them to do? That's a very good question to which I can't

:32:48. > :32:52.really give a constructive answer because it all depends on how the

:32:53. > :32:55.military advance goes. In some cases, we're hearing stories that

:32:56. > :32:58.people were asked to stay within their homes and others that they are

:32:59. > :33:03.being asked to leave which they might not always be free to do. In

:33:04. > :33:07.any case we are calling on all actors to ensure safe passage for

:33:08. > :33:12.civilians to not be a part of the combat.

:33:13. > :33:16.Thank you very much for talking to us Tarik, thank you.

:33:17. > :33:19.Home Office sources say migrant children arriving from Calais

:33:20. > :33:24.will be subject to additional age checks in the UK.

:33:25. > :33:29.A French official has said they don't under go any checks in France.

:33:30. > :33:31.Pictures have emerged showing those arriving could potentially be a lot

:33:32. > :33:39.But charities have told us that at least one of those photographed

:33:40. > :33:43.could actually be a translator. So far 14 child refugees have

:33:44. > :33:47.arrived under something called the Dublin Agreement which says

:33:48. > :33:49.unaccompanied minors have the right Another agreement known as the Dubs

:33:50. > :33:58.Amendment pledges support for vulnerable children who don't

:33:59. > :34:00.have any family in the UK, separate registration process

:34:01. > :34:03.will take place for vulnerable children who do not

:34:04. > :34:05.have family in the UK. Lord Dubs and a charity called

:34:06. > :34:09.Citizens UK are now accusing the Government of dragging

:34:10. > :34:14.their feet over the issue and say they'll begin legal proceedings

:34:15. > :34:15.in the next 48-hours if the Home Office doesn't

:34:16. > :34:17.begin to act. Lord Dubs, who was himself a child

:34:18. > :34:20.refugee, visited Calais Well, I'm a refugee and I came

:34:21. > :34:39.to England at the age of six. He's complaining it has been eight

:34:40. > :34:42.months now and he's very upset that no one has, like,

:34:43. > :34:45.bothered or ask us how Yes, you are, and that's why we're

:34:46. > :34:51.here, to ask you how you are. Lord Dubs is here now,

:34:52. > :35:04.along with the leader of Ealing Council, Julien Bell,

:35:05. > :35:08.who wants to take in some of these children and we can speak

:35:09. > :35:21.to Laura Griffiths from Citizens UK Welcome both of you and we'll talk

:35:22. > :35:27.to Laura in a second. Lord Dubs let me ask you about the issue of the

:35:28. > :35:30.ages of some of these refugees. Some Conservative MPs, some British

:35:31. > :35:32.newspapers are questioning legitimately the ages of those who

:35:33. > :35:38.have been brought over this week so far, what do you say? A lot of

:35:39. > :35:41.trouble has been gone to by the French authorities and the Home

:35:42. > :35:45.Office to check the background of these young people, but could I say?

:35:46. > :35:49.The majority, I've met them in Calais on two occasions, the

:35:50. > :35:52.majority are young. They're vulnerable and there are further

:35:53. > :35:56.ones we want to get here who are even younger and girls among them,

:35:57. > :36:00.you know, there is a dire wages and we shouldn't be diverted from what

:36:01. > :36:05.is a good news story, at last some of these children are coming. We can

:36:06. > :36:06.hear from one of the boys who is currently in Calais, but is due to

:36:07. > :36:13.arrive in the UK later today. I was asking why does

:36:14. > :36:30.he want to go to England? TRANSLATION: He has got his

:36:31. > :36:32.family back home. He has got his brothers

:36:33. > :36:35.and he wants to go to school And how long has he been

:36:36. > :36:44.in Calais? And what's life been

:36:45. > :36:52.like in Calais? TRANSLATION: He says the jungle

:36:53. > :36:55.isn't even fit for animals He was the child that Lily Allen

:36:56. > :37:22.apologied to when she visited So you've been trying to jump on

:37:23. > :37:24.lorries to get over into the UK. Has that, that must be terrifying? Is

:37:25. > :38:00.that scary? What are your hopes for the future?

:38:01. > :38:08.I apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

:38:09. > :38:21.through. Sorry...

:38:22. > :38:43.Earlier the Home Office turned down our request for an interview,

:38:44. > :38:46.but told us, "The process to transfer as many eligible

:38:47. > :38:48.children as possible from Calais to the UK before the start

:38:49. > :38:58.So far not a single child has been taken in under your amendment ie

:38:59. > :39:02.children who don't have relatives here in Britain, why do you think

:39:03. > :39:06.that is? Well, I think the Home Office have been very slowmed we had

:39:07. > :39:09.hoped something would start way back in May or June when Parliament

:39:10. > :39:12.passed the amendment. Look, they're beginning to move. They're beginning

:39:13. > :39:16.to do the right things, but they should have got on with this a long

:39:17. > :39:19.time ago. Are you confident that unaccompanied children, who don't

:39:20. > :39:25.have relatives here, will be in Britain, what in the next seven

:39:26. > :39:27.days? I'm not sure about seven days, you but talked to the Home Office

:39:28. > :39:32.Minister and Home Office officials and I'm assured they are trying to

:39:33. > :39:36.get on with it. Some of the children with no family here will be stuck

:39:37. > :39:39.without safety and I understand there are urgent discussions going

:39:40. > :39:43.on between the British authorities and the French authorities that

:39:44. > :39:47.there should be safety for all the children including those with no

:39:48. > :39:53.family here, before any demolishing takes place. There are a number of

:39:54. > :39:58.British taxpayers who say we should be looking after British children

:39:59. > :40:02.who are in need before we take in unaccompanied children without

:40:03. > :40:05.relatives here from the Calais camp? Well, we're a rich country. I think

:40:06. > :40:09.we can do both. We're not going to get into an argument today about

:40:10. > :40:12.Government cuts, but they have been pretty severe and the refugees and

:40:13. > :40:16.our children here in Britain should not suffer because of the Government

:40:17. > :40:19.cuts. It is a different argument. We're talking about not launch

:40:20. > :40:21.numbers, we are talking about a strong humanitarian need to give

:40:22. > :40:25.people a decent life in this country, to give them a chance, they

:40:26. > :40:30.are vulnerable children who have been deeply shocked by their

:40:31. > :40:32.experiences and there is some brilliant British NGOs Help

:40:33. > :40:36.Herselfries and others who are working with them and who are doing

:40:37. > :40:40.the right thing. That's a sign that Britain has strong humanitarian

:40:41. > :40:44.instincts. Why can't they claim asylum in France and stay in France?

:40:45. > :40:49.Well, some might. My amendment didn't say we should take them. The

:40:50. > :40:52.argument for my amendment is we should take our share of the

:40:53. > :40:58.unaccompanied child refugees in Europe. There are more in Greece

:40:59. > :41:02.than in Calais. We should take our share and other countries should

:41:03. > :41:05.take their share. Ealing and other councils said they're happy to take

:41:06. > :41:10.some children in. Tell our audience about the numbers you're willing to

:41:11. > :41:14.take in? We'res a council prepared to take ten children. Our

:41:15. > :41:20.neighbours, Hammersmith and Fulham will take 15. Hounslow will take

:41:21. > :41:24.five. So that's 30 right there. I know other Labour council leaders in

:41:25. > :41:28.London and others are saying they will take some too. So, there is a

:41:29. > :41:33.willingness on behalf of councils to take these children this. I think we

:41:34. > :41:37.just need the Government to get on with it. They have foot dragged for

:41:38. > :41:41.too long and actually children have paid with their lives with the

:41:42. > :41:48.delays. So there cannot be anymore delay. There will be some council

:41:49. > :41:53.taxpayers in Ealing do don't want their council tax to be spent

:41:54. > :41:57.looking after children? We will get Government funding for this. It

:41:58. > :42:01.won't cover all the costs, but the vast majority of my residents and

:42:02. > :42:05.the British people are compassionate and they can see that, you know,

:42:06. > :42:10.this is just a terrible situation for children to be left in. I

:42:11. > :42:13.visited the camp in August and saw the conditions that these children

:42:14. > :42:18.are in and it is just one of those things that you cannot walk by on

:42:19. > :42:21.the other side and not do anything about it and so, I'm sure my

:42:22. > :42:27.residents will be fully supportive of this. Laura Griffiths, you're out

:42:28. > :42:31.in Calais from Citizens UK. What do you make first of all about this

:42:32. > :42:36.conversation that is going on amongst some people in Britain about

:42:37. > :42:42.whether the refugees that have arrived so far this week from Calais

:42:43. > :42:49.are actually under 18? Well, think those that arrived under Dublin 3

:42:50. > :42:53.have gone through checks through the Home Office and other agencies to

:42:54. > :42:57.verify their ages and the family link. OK. I want to introduce you to

:42:58. > :43:04.Janet who got in touch this morning. She fostered an Afghan refugee. She

:43:05. > :43:08.was told was 14. This was back in 2000, but she believes he was

:43:09. > :43:14.actually 21 or 22. Hi Janet. Tell our audience more? Yeah, he turned

:43:15. > :43:18.up at our house with severe stubble and needed a razor straightaway. I

:43:19. > :43:22.did start caring for him and I had to take him to the dentist and the

:43:23. > :43:29.dentist queried his age. He said, "How old did you say he was?" I said

:43:30. > :43:35.and he just shook his head and said he's 21, 22 at least. Did you have

:43:36. > :43:39.to get something verifiable than the dentist's opinion to prove the age?

:43:40. > :43:44.Well, nothing was ever really done about it. At that time there was so

:43:45. > :43:48.many coming into the country that needed homes and he left us a month

:43:49. > :43:51.later. So I didn't really pursue it after that. Right, you were

:43:52. > :43:57.expecting a young teenager and clearly it wasn't? Yeah. I mean I

:43:58. > :44:02.have children on my own and I did question him about his age and he

:44:03. > :44:05.pretended not to understand. He said the Afghanistan calendar was

:44:06. > :44:09.different to ours, so he couldn't work out what his age was. He

:44:10. > :44:15.pleaded ignorance. Are you glad you did what you did or not? I am

:44:16. > :44:19.because I had a number of boy from Afghanistan and Albania and a lot of

:44:20. > :44:26.them have gone on to have good jobs here and work hard. In his case, the

:44:27. > :44:30.placement ended badly. He tried to attack me and he had to be removed

:44:31. > :44:35.from the house that day. And when I look back on it, I had young

:44:36. > :44:38.children in my house at the time of my own, you know, they might have

:44:39. > :44:42.been at risk. Janet, thank you very much. Thank

:44:43. > :44:46.you for coming on the programme. In terms of this warning to the

:44:47. > :44:49.Government, you're saying now the Government has 48 hours to start the

:44:50. > :44:54.process of resettling before you will take legal action before

:44:55. > :45:00.Citizens UK will take legal action. What does the process of resettling

:45:01. > :45:05.mean Lord Dubs? It means identifying in Calais the ones that are eligible

:45:06. > :45:10.to come here. Bringing them here and finding foster parents. Foster

:45:11. > :45:13.parents with local authorities like Ealing, Hammersmith and others so

:45:14. > :45:16.they can have a safe environment. Of course, it is difficult. There is a

:45:17. > :45:18.lot of pressure on local authorities, but local authorities

:45:19. > :45:21.are stepping up to the mark and that's a good thing.

:45:22. > :45:26.Are you not reassured by a statement that we have today from the

:45:27. > :45:32.Immigration Minister saying it is up to the Government who is admitted to

:45:33. > :45:36.the UK, the Home Office sent a team of officials to work alongside

:45:37. > :45:41.French officials in Calais to assist with speeding up the Dublin process

:45:42. > :45:44.for people, unaccompanied children who have relatives here. Secondly, a

:45:45. > :45:48.second Home Office team sent to France to work with the French

:45:49. > :45:51.authorities to identify and prioritise the children we drought

:45:52. > :45:56.to the UK under the terms of the Dubs agreement?

:45:57. > :46:03.That is good news, at long last the Home Office is stepping up to the

:46:04. > :46:10.mark and doing what we want them to do. We should congratulate them. I

:46:11. > :46:14.don't think I normally do that. Are you calling on other local councils

:46:15. > :46:24.to promise to take in more children? Absolutely. The numbers are not that

:46:25. > :46:32.large and if every council took in five or ten then we'd more than deal

:46:33. > :46:38.with the problem. There are 1000 unaccompanied refugee children in

:46:39. > :46:43.the camps. Talk of 300 is probably not sufficient. If all councils

:46:44. > :46:49.stepped up to the mark with be able to look after them. Thank you.

:46:50. > :46:51.Police have begun a murder inquiry after a prisoner was stabbed

:46:52. > :46:53.to death at Pentonville jail in north London.

:46:54. > :46:57.Two other inmates were critically wounded.

:46:58. > :46:58.Two prisoners have now been arrested.

:46:59. > :47:02.Association says there has been an unprecedented rise in violence

:47:03. > :47:05.in jails in England and Wales since cuts in staffing were ordered

:47:06. > :47:14.Joining me now is the Director of the Prison Reform

:47:15. > :47:22.How do you react to what appears to have happened? It's a terrible

:47:23. > :47:27.tragedy for everyone involved, for the families of the man who was

:47:28. > :47:30.killed and those injured. It is also a very frightening day for those

:47:31. > :47:34.living and working in Pentonville and it will take a lot of courage

:47:35. > :47:41.and skill to get through the next few days safely. When Mac the have

:47:42. > :47:46.any accurate details about how this happened? I've got no details about

:47:47. > :47:53.the offence. This used to be incredibly unusual and still is,

:47:54. > :48:01.though they are much less rear than they used to be. How do you stop it

:48:02. > :48:09.happening? Is it a one-off? It is not inevitable. The key thing in

:48:10. > :48:14.prison is the resources don't match what is needed. There are too many

:48:15. > :48:19.prisoners for the number of staff. The government has a clear choice.

:48:20. > :48:23.They can either invest more in prisons at a time when all our

:48:24. > :48:29.public services are under pressure, or reduce the way that we use

:48:30. > :48:33.prison. We have said for a long time that is the answer. Use prison less

:48:34. > :48:38.and make sure the conditions are better. Depending on the Justice

:48:39. > :48:47.Secretary, policy changes. Ken Clarke up two years ago, wanted a

:48:48. > :48:53.rehabilitation revolution, which some people thought was going soft

:48:54. > :48:57.on those who have committed crimes. Then we had Chris Grayling, at the

:48:58. > :49:05.opposite end of the spectrum, he wanted to be tougher. This is not a

:49:06. > :49:10.hard or soft question. The prison population has grown every single

:49:11. > :49:15.year under every single government. This is an issue for Parliament

:49:16. > :49:21.about how we want to use prison, about the length of sentences, how

:49:22. > :49:28.long we stay in there. All governments want people to be

:49:29. > :49:31.rehabilitated. At the moment we don't have a prison system that is

:49:32. > :49:39.fit for what the country should expect. So an immediate call to

:49:40. > :49:44.employ more staff? It is very difficult in London. It is not a

:49:45. > :49:50.good wage anymore, it is difficult to retain people in prisons like

:49:51. > :50:04.Pentonville. These will put people off applying. At the moment we say

:50:05. > :50:08.Pentonville could accommodate 1300. That means almost everybody can

:50:09. > :50:14.expect to share a cell which the Victorians thought was fit for one

:50:15. > :50:18.person. So we need fewer people in prison and that is the quickest

:50:19. > :50:22.thing the government could do to reduce pressure. A proportion of the

:50:23. > :50:29.British public might think we don't need fewer people in prison. If you

:50:30. > :50:37.committed a crime you need to face punishment in jail. I understand

:50:38. > :50:42.that, but actually most people who commit a crime do not go to prison.

:50:43. > :50:46.What we know about prison is it always punishes, it is always a

:50:47. > :50:50.miserable experience. But we also know it is worse at rehabilitating

:50:51. > :50:54.people than when you can be punished in the community. Plenty of people

:50:55. > :50:59.will need to go to prison and we need to think hard about how long we

:51:00. > :51:02.sent them there for. But plenty of people in prison could be punished

:51:03. > :51:09.in the community but also rebuild their lives. What sort of punishment

:51:10. > :51:13.would be receiving the community? The sort of thing that works best is

:51:14. > :51:17.when people put something back into their communities. They work in the

:51:18. > :51:22.community doing jobs we don't pay people to do that do need doing like

:51:23. > :51:29.removing graffiti, restoring places that have become rundown. People

:51:30. > :51:37.have to turn up, they have to pay the price that the court says. But

:51:38. > :51:42.it restores self-esteem, it allows them to restore their relationships.

:51:43. > :51:44.So they put something back into the community without destroying the

:51:45. > :51:46.things that give them a future. Thank you very much.

:51:47. > :51:48.This morning - are anti-depressants a curse or cure?

:51:49. > :51:51.People who say their lives have been ruined by commonly prescribed

:51:52. > :51:53.antidepressants, known as SSRIs, are taking their case

:51:54. > :51:58.Some users have told this programme the tablets have made them suicidal.

:51:59. > :52:04.Claire Hanley begun taking them while caring for her seriously ill

:52:05. > :52:08.mother and studying for her final exams at Cambridge University,

:52:09. > :52:11.but suffered severe side-effects after her GP prescribed

:52:12. > :52:30.I was an absolute mess. I couldn't read. I couldn't concentrate on

:52:31. > :52:38.anything. I was absolutely wanting to take my life continually. She

:52:39. > :52:49.told her doctor, who put her on a higher dose of different

:52:50. > :52:58.antidepressants. God. Within two weeks I tried to take my only twice.

:52:59. > :53:08.Almost immediately. -- own life. What was scary, I read the leaflet

:53:09. > :53:14.and I was getting exactly what it said, I was getting seizure like

:53:15. > :53:20.symptoms were my muscles were jolting around their own accord. And

:53:21. > :53:28.I felt disorientated and sick and I had digestive problems, it is really

:53:29. > :53:39.extreme. I don't know where to begin. All I can remember as being

:53:40. > :53:46.on the bedroom floor, semiconscious, having seizure after massive

:53:47. > :53:53.seizure. You can read more on the BBC news site. Thank you to all of

:53:54. > :54:00.you who got in touch about this. So many of you have. Catherine on

:54:01. > :54:05.e-mail said, soon after taking SSRIs I lost my appetite, a massive amount

:54:06. > :54:10.of weight, and found myself collapsed at work. I was not happy

:54:11. > :54:13.or sad, I just felt nothing. However, without them I would not

:54:14. > :54:17.have been able to get out of the place where I was. I believe the

:54:18. > :54:31.benefits outweigh the negative side effects. Another e-mail, 34-year-old

:54:32. > :54:37.male, they have completely ruined my ability to have a relationship. I

:54:38. > :54:42.have zero libido and that began after the first three months. It has

:54:43. > :54:49.ruined my ability to have any sort of relationship. Let's speak to

:54:50. > :54:58.Gemma who has been taking antidepressants since she was 13.

:54:59. > :55:03.How old are you now? 30. How has it been having almost two decades on

:55:04. > :55:08.antidepressants? Horrific. Many times, I've tried to come off them,

:55:09. > :55:13.and I've been OK for a while. The withdrawals have been quite but

:55:14. > :55:19.eventually my mental health issues would return again and I'll have to

:55:20. > :55:23.go on the medication. They keep trying me on different medication

:55:24. > :55:28.and the side-effects will be pretty horrific. Some of them will work for

:55:29. > :55:32.a while but my body will become tolerant of them saw the half to try

:55:33. > :55:42.something different. What kind of side effects? Yellow mac severe

:55:43. > :55:47.weight gain. For anyone suffering with problems that is not a nice

:55:48. > :55:54.thing to go through. I've had other problems like I would wake up in the

:55:55. > :55:59.morning and pass out. Complete loss of six drive. All sorts of things.

:56:00. > :56:06.It has been absolutely horrible. What does your GP say when you say

:56:07. > :56:12.these tablets are having a detrimental effect on my life? They

:56:13. > :56:19.put me on another medication. You know? They try a different one. What

:56:20. > :56:30.would be a better solution? If there was an ideal scenario. -- for anyone

:56:31. > :56:36.who presents their problems to a GP the first thing that GPs should do

:56:37. > :56:41.is ask about therapy. Not everybody has depression because of chemical

:56:42. > :56:49.imbalance. A lot of people go through trauma. The only real

:56:50. > :56:55.solution is therapy. Unfortunately, because of the NHS, there is

:56:56. > :56:58.extremely long waiting lists. I think more money should be put into

:56:59. > :57:03.therapy rather than handing out medication. Did you have

:57:04. > :57:06.conversations about side effects and the potential difficulties of

:57:07. > :57:11.withdrawing from tablets when you wanted to come off them? Absolutely.

:57:12. > :57:26.I've had many conversations with GPs about the side-effects. They say,

:57:27. > :57:30.you do need to take them. I felt pressured in a way to take these

:57:31. > :57:42.medication. When you look back on the 20 years of taking it, do you

:57:43. > :57:53.wish you'd never bothered? I think in my young teenage years I needed

:57:54. > :58:03.therapy. I did not actually speak to the doctor, my mother was speaking

:58:04. > :58:08.on their behalf. If I had been an therapy in the beginning I would not

:58:09. > :58:17.be where I am now. I'm very grateful for you to talk to us on national

:58:18. > :58:23.TV. I wish you all the best. You can watch the full film on our page. It

:58:24. > :58:26.is worth saying that for the vast majority of people taking those

:58:27. > :58:33.antidepressants does work for them. Thank you for watching today.