20/10/2016

:00:13. > :00:15.It's Thursday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:16. > :00:18.In the final TV showdown before America votes

:00:19. > :00:20.for its next president, Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton

:00:21. > :00:23.trade angry insults over each other's fitness to govern.

:00:24. > :00:34.It is an open discussion. He says... He is unfit and he proves it every

:00:35. > :00:37.time. He is the one who is unfit. Also today:

:00:38. > :00:40.Are victims of stalking being let down by the criminal justice system?

:00:41. > :00:42.We'll talk to two women about their experiences

:00:43. > :00:46.and why they think the law should be strengthened.

:00:47. > :00:48.And as this year's Bake Off finalists are revealed,

:00:49. > :00:50.we'll talk to former winners about how to create a show-stopping

:00:51. > :01:12.If you've been a victim of crime, we'd like to hear how

:01:13. > :01:14.you were treated by the police and the courts because we're

:01:15. > :01:17.going to talk in the next few minutes to two

:01:18. > :01:20.and who were treated poorly by the criminal justice system.

:01:21. > :01:24.They want the Victims Code to be strenghtened.

:01:25. > :01:27.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

:01:28. > :01:35.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:01:36. > :01:39.In the third and final Presidential debate of the US election campaign,

:01:40. > :01:42.Donald Trump hinted he might not accept the result if it goes

:01:43. > :01:45.During the 90-minute debate in Las Vegas, Mr Trump

:01:46. > :01:48.and his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton accused each other

:01:49. > :01:51.of being unfit to be the next President.

:01:52. > :01:54.They clashed on a range of issues including gun control,

:01:55. > :01:59.We'll be live in Las Vegas in a moment.

:02:00. > :02:05.First, this report from our correspondent Rajini Vaidyanathan.

:02:06. > :02:08.It was straight down to business for Hillary Clinton

:02:09. > :02:20.And it didn't take long for the debate to veer

:02:21. > :02:26.Donald Trump repeated his claim this election will be rigged.

:02:27. > :02:29.You will absolutely accept the result of this election?

:02:30. > :02:44.Every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction,

:02:45. > :02:46.he claims whatever it is rigged against him.

:02:47. > :02:49.When he did not get an Emmy for his TV programme three years

:02:50. > :02:52.in a row, he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged.

:02:53. > :02:56.At times it got nasty, as Donald Trump hurled insults

:02:57. > :02:58.at Hillary Clinton, and she was forced to defend

:02:59. > :03:00.the work of the Clinton Foundation she and her husband run.

:03:01. > :03:03.The suggestion from Donald Trump that he may not accept the results

:03:04. > :03:06.of the election is an extraordinary claim in an already

:03:07. > :03:09.There are less than 20 days until polling.

:03:10. > :03:18.Given those comments, this fight could last much longer.

:03:19. > :03:29.And here are a few more of the key moments in those clashes. We have to

:03:30. > :03:34.have strong borders. We have to keep the drugs out of our country. Right

:03:35. > :03:40.now, we are getting the drugs, they are getting the cash, but we have

:03:41. > :03:45.some bad hombres here and we need to get them out. I don't want to rip

:03:46. > :03:48.families apart, I don't want to send parents away from children, I don't

:03:49. > :03:53.want to see the deportation force the Donald has talked about. I don't

:03:54. > :03:59.know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we get along well, that

:04:00. > :04:03.would be good. If Russia and the United States got along well and

:04:04. > :04:08.went after Isis, that would be good. It is pretty clear, you won't admit

:04:09. > :04:10.that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against the United

:04:11. > :04:16.States of America that you encouraged espionage against our

:04:17. > :04:21.people. Those stories are all totally false, I have to say. I

:04:22. > :04:24.didn't even apologise to my wife who is sitting right here because I

:04:25. > :04:31.didn't do anything. I asked Bernie Sanders, and he said campaigning for

:04:32. > :04:33.me around the country, he is the most dangerous person to run for

:04:34. > :04:39.president in the modern history of America. I think he is right. You

:04:40. > :04:47.will accept the result of this election? I will look at it at the

:04:48. > :04:51.time. I have made the cause of children and families my life's

:04:52. > :04:55.work. That is what my mission will be in the presidency. We are going

:04:56. > :05:00.to make America great again, and it has to start now. We cannot take

:05:01. > :05:05.four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get when you get

:05:06. > :05:09.her. Life to Washington, and our correspondent Laura Bicker. The

:05:10. > :05:13.moment when Mr Trump said he might not accept the result of this

:05:14. > :05:17.election is what has got everyone talking. It is still being talked

:05:18. > :05:21.about on US networks now right into the small hours of the morning. Why?

:05:22. > :05:25.Because it goes to the heart of America's Constitution. The

:05:26. > :05:30.elections are free and fair and there is a peaceful transfer of

:05:31. > :05:35.power. Mike Pence, Donald Trump's running mate, said at the weekend

:05:36. > :05:39.that he would accept the result of this election. His own daughter said

:05:40. > :05:43.that they would accept the result of this election. Now reporters are

:05:44. > :05:47.running after every leading Republican saying, are you going to

:05:48. > :05:52.accept the results of this election? And of course they say yes. But

:05:53. > :05:56.their candidate has not said that on stage, so it looks embarrassing for

:05:57. > :06:00.the party, and it looks like Donald Trump is at odds with what the party

:06:01. > :06:04.is trying to say. The other problem is for Donald Trump is he is trying

:06:05. > :06:08.to place himself as this antiestablishment figure, a bit

:06:09. > :06:12.different from Washington, he says he will clear up Washington, and he

:06:13. > :06:16.wants to in his words make America great again. But many people leave

:06:17. > :06:19.that the one thing that makes America great is its democracy, so

:06:20. > :06:26.to undermine that on the debate stage tonight is quite a faux pas.

:06:27. > :06:34.Have commentators been able to say who they think won this debate? Snap

:06:35. > :06:38.polls are saying Hillary Clinton. But it is early days. There could

:06:39. > :06:42.have been embarrassing questions about leaked e-mails that instance

:06:43. > :06:45.which suggested she wanted open free trade open borders, but she managed

:06:46. > :06:50.to sidestep every difficult question, she managed to stay

:06:51. > :06:53.poised, and that is all she needed to do because she is ahead in the

:06:54. > :06:58.polls. Whereas Donald Trump got riled, he had a very good first

:06:59. > :07:03.half, very good 35 minutes, and then the insults started coming, he

:07:04. > :07:05.called her a liar, a nasty woman, he suggested that the women who have

:07:06. > :07:10.come forward saying they have been groped by him are either Clinton

:07:11. > :07:15.campaign stooges or looking for attention, and he accused the media

:07:16. > :07:19.of poisoning the voters. So all of these things came fourth when he

:07:20. > :07:23.needed to try to be different, he needed to try to stand out and give

:07:24. > :07:27.a killer blow tonight try to narrow that gap. He didn't do that. Thank

:07:28. > :07:32.you very much, Laura Bicker in Washington. Time for the rest of the

:07:33. > :07:35.morning's news. Martine is in the BBC newsroom.

:07:36. > :07:42.Thousands of gay and bisexual men who were convicted of sexual

:07:43. > :07:45.offences which have since been abolished are to be

:07:46. > :07:51.The announcement honours a Government commitment made

:07:52. > :07:53.after the Enigma codebreaker, Alan Turing, was pardoned in 2013.

:07:54. > :07:56.He was convicted of gross indecency in 1952 and later killed himself.

:07:57. > :07:58.Those living will also receive a pardon after applying

:07:59. > :08:03.to the Home Office to have their names cleared.

:08:04. > :08:06.MPs are expected to get a chance today to debate

:08:07. > :08:08.whether the former owner of BHS, Sir Philip Green, should be

:08:09. > :08:14.BHS collapsed earlier this year with the loss of 11,000 jobs

:08:15. > :08:17.and a ?571 million hole in its pension fund.

:08:18. > :08:20.Sir Philip is due to meet the pensions regulator by the end

:08:21. > :08:23.of the week to try to agree a deal over the deficit.

:08:24. > :08:26.Theresa May will attend her first EU summit since becoming Prime Minister

:08:27. > :08:30.Mrs May, who will trigger Brexit talks by the end of March,

:08:31. > :08:32.is expected to tell her counterparts that she wants a "smooth,

:08:33. > :08:36.The summit comes as the Government faces growing pressure to give

:08:37. > :08:43.Parliament a vote on the UK's negotiating principles.

:08:44. > :08:45.Two by-elections are taking place in England today.

:08:46. > :08:47.Residents of Witney in Oxfordshire are choosing a new MP

:08:48. > :08:53.Voting is also taking place in Batley and Spen in west

:08:54. > :08:56.Yorkshire, where the seat has been vacant since the killing of the MP,

:08:57. > :09:01.A full list of candidates in both by-elections can be found

:09:02. > :09:07.The European Space Agency is due to give an update shortly

:09:08. > :09:10.about the fate of a probe it was attempting to land on Mars.

:09:11. > :09:12.The signal from the Schiaparelli lander disappeared just before

:09:13. > :09:17.Satellites have attempted to shed light on the probe's status,

:09:18. > :09:25.Many young people are so bad at maths they're struggling

:09:26. > :09:28.to manage their finances, pay their bills and choose

:09:29. > :09:30.the best energy tariff - that's according to an education

:09:31. > :09:33.National Numeracy is suggesting that lessons should be learned

:09:34. > :09:36.from computer games to challenge attitudes towards maths,

:09:37. > :09:38.and that too many pupils leave school without the number skills

:09:39. > :09:45.When you think about maths in school, it is often about complex

:09:46. > :09:52.But what you normally need in daily life is the opposite.

:09:53. > :09:56.It is about simple maths in complex situations.

:09:57. > :09:59.It is a false assumption that one leads to the other.

:10:00. > :10:07.We think that is at the heart of the problem.

:10:08. > :10:13.13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today. Yesterday the

:10:14. > :10:15.Government fended off questions about the age of some of the

:10:16. > :10:21.migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18. A former

:10:22. > :10:25.suspect in the Stephen Lawrence murder enquiry is among ten British

:10:26. > :10:32.fugitives named as the most wanted in Spain. Jamie Reckord wanted on

:10:33. > :10:36.suspicion of conspiracy to supply cannabis is on a wanted list.

:10:37. > :10:38.Fugitives are also wanted on suspicion of murder, child sex

:10:39. > :10:42.exploitation and drug trafficking. The wife of former Premier League

:10:43. > :10:45.manager Harry Redknapp has been injured after she became trapped

:10:46. > :10:48.in their car door as he drove away. Mr Redknapp's wife Sandra reportedly

:10:49. > :10:51.got her foot trapped in the car door as he pulled away after dropping her

:10:52. > :10:54.at the shops in Bournemouth. She was said to have been dragged

:10:55. > :10:57.along the road, injuring her foot. That's a summary of

:10:58. > :11:08.the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. This just in:

:11:09. > :11:14.Thousands of post office workers will go on strike on October 31,

:11:15. > :11:26.that is the week after next, in a dispute over the union, the CWU,

:11:27. > :11:35.over jobs, pensions and branch closes. We are going to talk about

:11:36. > :11:42.how you have been treated if you were a victim of crime. One viewer

:11:43. > :11:47.wrote in to say that despite having one incident captured on dash cam,

:11:48. > :11:53.she has yet to be taken seriously, and has had to move to another part

:11:54. > :11:56.of the country to escape a stalker. I appreciate that not all contact

:11:57. > :11:59.with the Criminal Justice Act and is negative, so if you have had a

:12:00. > :12:03.positive experience, do get in touch.

:12:04. > :12:07.And not a good night for Pep Guardiola on his

:12:08. > :12:14.It wasn't. We would talking about how much he was looking forward to

:12:15. > :12:17.returning to the Nou Camp, he was revered there because of all the

:12:18. > :12:21.trophies he won with them not so long ago, but he took his Manchester

:12:22. > :12:26.city team back there for the first time in the Champions League, and it

:12:27. > :12:30.didn't go well at all. Claudio Bravo, a goalkeeper who he stole

:12:31. > :12:35.from Barcelona, he did this to try to keep out Luis Suarez, saving a

:12:36. > :12:43.good 15 yards outside the box. He was sent off by that time to a

:12:44. > :12:50.Lionel Messi goal. That was his hat-trick, and he scored 37 hat

:12:51. > :12:57.tricks for Barcelona. Unbelievable. They won 4-0 in the end, Neymar also

:12:58. > :13:00.had time to miss a penalty before scoring their fourth, Barcelona

:13:01. > :13:07.three wins out of three. Pep Guardiola said he didn't know how to

:13:08. > :13:13.tell his players to stop Messi. Also in Group C, Celtic are now bottom

:13:14. > :13:32.because they lost at home to- zero two Borussia Monchengladbach, Kolo

:13:33. > :13:39.Toure fessed up. Much better news for Arsenal, though. A big win at

:13:40. > :13:45.the Emirates, 6-0 they beat the Bulgarians. They did score some

:13:46. > :13:48.lovely goals, the first of them from Alexis Sanchez, and talking about

:13:49. > :13:54.hat-trick Umag, 37 for Lionel Messi, Mesut Ozil, that was his first

:13:55. > :13:59.career hat-trick. Three fight him, Theo Walcott, Alex

:14:00. > :14:03.Oxlade-Chamberlain also got on the scoresheet, and a great win for

:14:04. > :14:07.Arsenal gives them every chance of getting out of that group.

:14:08. > :14:12.And England's cricketers are playing their first test against Bangladesh

:14:13. > :14:16.in Chittagong, how are they doing? Alastair Cook rushed back after the

:14:17. > :14:23.birth of his child, he hasn't been in the country for very long at all.

:14:24. > :14:27.It is his 134th Test cap, but he didn't last very long at all. He

:14:28. > :14:32.only made four, and it is all down to the spinners. Bangladesh have

:14:33. > :14:35.been all over England. Ben Duckett, he didn't make very many either,

:14:36. > :14:41.making his debut at the top of the order. Hassan, the 18-year-old

:14:42. > :14:45.spinner, making his debut for Bangladesh, he has taken three

:14:46. > :14:52.wickets, including Joe Root for 40. Ben Stokes is the latest to fall,

:14:53. > :14:58.England really struggling. 154-5, Moeen Ali just hanging on. He has

:14:59. > :15:02.been given out three times but has used the review brilliantly, and has

:15:03. > :15:04.made a half-century and salon. England struggling on that first

:15:05. > :15:07.day. More from Olly throughout the

:15:08. > :15:09.programme. A woman who was stalked for 12 years

:15:10. > :15:12.is going to the House of Lords to try to get more

:15:13. > :15:15.rights for victims. Claire Waxman will speak to peers

:15:16. > :15:17.today, alongside other victims, to raise awareness of changes

:15:18. > :15:20.she wants to be made to the Police and Crime Bill,

:15:21. > :15:22.which will then be debated The mother of two wants the current

:15:23. > :15:28.Victims' Code of Conduct, which sets out the services

:15:29. > :15:31.and information victims of crime are entitled to from the police

:15:32. > :15:34.and courts from the moment they report a crime

:15:35. > :15:37.to the end of the trial Claire is here alongside

:15:38. > :15:39.Anna Hemmingfield whose ex-partner was found guilty

:15:40. > :15:42.of stalking last year. Before we speak to you both,

:15:43. > :15:44.here's what Shingai Shoniwa, the singer from the band

:15:45. > :15:46.the Noisettes told us last week about her experience

:15:47. > :15:49.of being stalked and why she feels I think that, you know, things can

:15:50. > :15:55.be put in place and things really need to be tightened

:15:56. > :16:02.because stalkers steal lives. It is literally like murder

:16:03. > :16:04.in slow motion. It is a sinister kind

:16:05. > :16:10.of personal terrorism And as not just

:16:11. > :16:14.the victims, but also advocacy services

:16:15. > :16:15.like Paladin and Alex, everything we're lobbying

:16:16. > :16:17.for is hopefully sending the message out

:16:18. > :16:20.there that that kind of behaviour And you cannot go around

:16:21. > :16:26.stalking and trying to kill people from the inside out

:16:27. > :16:29.slowly and completely shut down that world because it just

:16:30. > :16:31.won't be tolerated. It's nothing that I would

:16:32. > :16:51.wish upon anybody. The description of murder in slow

:16:52. > :16:56.motion, would you agree? Absolutely, stalking is a serious crime but

:16:57. > :17:02.today is about victims' rights of all crime types. Stalking, domestic

:17:03. > :17:05.violence victims, they get a tough journey through the justice process,

:17:06. > :17:11.but so do many other victims of crime as well we speak to. From your

:17:12. > :17:17.experience of the criminal justice system what do you experience that

:17:18. > :17:22.motivates you to pursue this? Because I was in the system 12 years

:17:23. > :17:26.I was honoured loop going through the process again and again and the

:17:27. > :17:30.failings will stop from the first moment I reported the crime to the

:17:31. > :17:34.police, how they laughed at me, made me feel small and a nuisance that I

:17:35. > :17:41.left the police station in tears, to getting to court and the CPS

:17:42. > :17:45.ill-equipped to ask the right questions, not having the paperwork,

:17:46. > :17:50.adjournments, it took 18 months and it's a huge impact on the victim. 18

:17:51. > :17:56.months to wait the closure of your cases a long time, your life is on

:17:57. > :18:00.hold, you cannot recover from the crime and the failings of the

:18:01. > :18:05.justice system exacerbates the trauma of the victim. We want to put

:18:06. > :18:11.a stop to it by giving victims rights, so they are able to complain

:18:12. > :18:14.and get the process moving, as opposed to waiting as a bystander.

:18:15. > :18:21.We will talk about the specifics that you will talk to the House of

:18:22. > :18:25.Lords about. Hello, thanks for coming on the programme. Your

:18:26. > :18:34.ex-partner was taken to court for alleged stalking, but that first

:18:35. > :18:36.case collapsed, was thrown out, why? The first case was alleged

:18:37. > :18:46.harassment and it was thrown out because on the day, no evidence was

:18:47. > :18:51.presented to the CPS by the police. Why? Apparently they requested it

:18:52. > :18:58.time and again. Both authorities blame each other, both saying it is

:18:59. > :19:05.their fault. I have had letters. It was devastating. I found out on the

:19:06. > :19:10.day. I was not told it was acquitted. And a good few months I

:19:11. > :19:14.thought if he carries on we have a log, we did not have a log, the

:19:15. > :19:20.whole evidence of recordings and witnesses was lost. Just to be

:19:21. > :19:24.clear, I think people will be surprised it goes on, you turn up on

:19:25. > :19:32.the day that your ex-partner is going to face the criminal justice

:19:33. > :19:37.system and because of some kind of miscommunication between the police

:19:38. > :19:40.and Crown Prosecution Service due to prosecute him that day, the evidence

:19:41. > :19:44.has not been delivered? The evidence did not make it and I was not made

:19:45. > :19:48.aware until we were in the room waiting to go into court and

:19:49. > :19:57.somebody came in and told us it had been dropped. It blew my world. I

:19:58. > :20:01.thought, how can this happen? You do feel like a nuisance sometimes when

:20:02. > :20:07.you report it. I was told when I reported it in the morning, why are

:20:08. > :20:11.you reporting it so early? I suffer with anxiety and everything that

:20:12. > :20:18.happens, it is important it gets dealt with, because I was single, on

:20:19. > :20:22.my own, and I felt vulnerable. Is it common, that kind of

:20:23. > :20:25.miscommunication so that a judge has no option but to throw it out

:20:26. > :20:32.because there is nothing to go one? It is one of the reasons I set the

:20:33. > :20:37.group up. I was told I was unlucky and wanted to find out if I was

:20:38. > :20:42.unlucky or whether it was the system but the evidence is overwhelming, we

:20:43. > :20:47.have spoken to hundreds of victims and their failings across the board.

:20:48. > :20:52.It has a massive impact on the victims life and on justice. Going

:20:53. > :20:57.to the acquittal, we got a response from the CPS. They are sorry, it was

:20:58. > :21:04.the failure of the police to provide the required material. You talk to

:21:05. > :21:08.the police, they blame the CPS. They say if the trial had proceeded and

:21:09. > :21:14.the defendant convicted, you and your children would have secured

:21:15. > :21:19.more protection. That is the issue, there is nobody to help, interject.

:21:20. > :21:24.What we propose is a case companion, someone to guide the victim through

:21:25. > :21:28.the process, keep them updated, says Anna would have been informed what

:21:29. > :21:34.happens on her case and why, and give routes to the dress and

:21:35. > :21:39.complain and remedies. The victims' code is not legally enforceable and

:21:40. > :21:42.the entitlements are very nice, set out, they sound positive but do not

:21:43. > :21:49.work in practice because they have no statutory footing. The harassment

:21:50. > :21:54.continued. There was a second trial and your ex-partner was convicted of

:21:55. > :22:01.stalking and given a suspended prison sentence, a supervision and

:22:02. > :22:05.restraining order, hours of unpaid work, and required to attend a

:22:06. > :22:10.building better relationship scores. He immediately appealed, has he had

:22:11. > :22:14.to carry out the sanctions? They were put on hold until the appeal

:22:15. > :22:20.went ahead, which took a year, to make it back to court and for a

:22:21. > :22:25.year, my life was put on hold. There was behaviour that continued and I

:22:26. > :22:31.felt I was trapped in the dark. I could not see a way. It was

:22:32. > :22:36.devastating. Those delays and the length of time a victim waits for

:22:37. > :22:41.justice, is that common? Absolutely, I had it on my case, waiting 18

:22:42. > :22:45.months for my stalker to be sentence. There were three

:22:46. > :22:50.adjournments. Every time he turned up to court, paperwork was missing

:22:51. > :22:55.and someone would blame another agency. It has a massive emotional

:22:56. > :22:59.impact. It is bad enough trying to cope with the crime and have the

:23:00. > :23:06.agency not support you and help you get justice, it is awful, you are a

:23:07. > :23:11.victim again. As Anna described, she went to court, was brave enough to

:23:12. > :23:16.give evidence, he was found guilty. He has every right to appeal, but

:23:17. > :23:24.where is the victims right to say, this has been adjourned twice, it

:23:25. > :23:27.has gone on for a year. When she arrives at the hearing she is given

:23:28. > :23:30.the wrong statements to read through and she cannot refresh her memory.

:23:31. > :23:34.In that process you often look around the court room and the police

:23:35. > :23:40.and you feel like it is a farce. You cannot believe it is going on, but

:23:41. > :23:47.it does. This is common across the board. You have talked about your

:23:48. > :23:52.idea you will suggest to peers today a case companion, someone who would

:23:53. > :23:58.be alongside you, letting you know what has happened and why, so that

:23:59. > :24:04.you feel you have the information at an earlier stage. What else do you

:24:05. > :24:09.need to change? We have victim support, that should be providing

:24:10. > :24:16.that role, but it does not go far enough, so that is what we offer

:24:17. > :24:21.with a case companion. The right to complain, at the moment, if someone

:24:22. > :24:24.breaches and entitlement on the victims' code you get one of these

:24:25. > :24:29.letters and if you are not happy you have to go to your MP, present your

:24:30. > :24:34.case, and they take it to the ombudsman. It is such a lengthy and

:24:35. > :24:39.complex process victims will opt out. Most victims will not do that

:24:40. > :24:45.because they are exhausted from the process. We are giving them rights

:24:46. > :24:50.to appeal and rights to refuse. If a prosecution is dropped, a victim

:24:51. > :24:53.within the code has a right to have it reviewed but the reviews are not

:24:54. > :24:58.happening. There is an issue because the code is not legally enforceable.

:24:59. > :25:03.We want to enforce those practices and to see agencies trained. A

:25:04. > :25:07.cultural shift in attitude towards victims, to stop the victim blaming

:25:08. > :25:13.attitude, the prejudice that stops victim is being able to access just

:25:14. > :25:18.as easily, the discrimination, unnecessary delays. We are proposing

:25:19. > :25:23.a ground rules hearings so victims are able to meet prior to the

:25:24. > :25:28.courtroom experience to understand what they will go through and the

:25:29. > :25:34.judges able to exercise control. We have seen too many cases, of victim

:25:35. > :25:40.is being exposed to awful bullying tactics and trauma in the courtroom.

:25:41. > :25:44.We want victims to come forward, if we want them to have confidence, we

:25:45. > :25:51.need to support them through it. We have the terrible case two ago,

:25:52. > :25:57.Francis, who committed suicide after giving evidence in her court case

:25:58. > :26:03.because it was so traumatic. It is a terrible ordeal, being in court. We

:26:04. > :26:07.need ground rules hearings to help the victim and I think you will get

:26:08. > :26:16.a debtor quality of prosecution and evidence if we support them better.

:26:17. > :26:19.There might be some who think, you cannot coach alleged victims ahead

:26:20. > :26:23.of the case and that might be a worry about the ground rules. It is

:26:24. > :26:27.not coaching, it is to give an understanding of what will come and

:26:28. > :26:31.allow the judge to exercise control, so if it is getting out of hand on

:26:32. > :26:36.sensitive cases there are ground rules they can keep two so it does

:26:37. > :26:40.not affect the victim in such a traumatic way. Judges can intervene

:26:41. > :26:50.if they think things are getting out of hand now. That is not happening.

:26:51. > :26:53.It is putting it on a legal footing so it is enforceable. The code needs

:26:54. > :26:56.to be enforceable and there are rights and entitlements that need to

:26:57. > :27:00.be on their as well. Is it possible to describe the impact of what you

:27:01. > :27:04.were subjected to and also the compounding of the experience by the

:27:05. > :27:13.delays and mess ups from the criminal justice system? It is very

:27:14. > :27:18.devastating. I did suffer with anxiety quite badly. I am on

:27:19. > :27:22.medication because I have to take antidepressants just to keep me

:27:23. > :27:28.going sometimes because it does get all consuming. It becomes your life.

:27:29. > :27:33.I am always wondering, what is he going to do next, what is going to

:27:34. > :27:36.happen? I dread letters coming through the door because of the

:27:37. > :27:42.continual use of the court system and everything else. It does happen

:27:43. > :27:47.that someone alleged to have perpetrated a crime against you,

:27:48. > :27:56.people then come up with counter allegations. That is quite common.

:27:57. > :28:03.We see it a lot now. It is an escalating problem. King, harassment

:28:04. > :28:12.victims. Something we call it -- stalking victims. People going to

:28:13. > :28:17.the police to make false allegations, they do it as a way to

:28:18. > :28:22.harass victim is further. It is an imported area we will shine a light

:28:23. > :28:28.on in the future and try to address. Let me read messages from people

:28:29. > :28:35.listening to you. This tweet, I am currently helping my daughter get

:28:36. > :28:40.through her experience from a stalker, great support so far but a

:28:41. > :28:46.long wait for sentences. I am two years divorced, I was

:28:47. > :28:50.dragged out of my bed at 5am and fall sleep arrested for a third time

:28:51. > :28:55.on a malicious allegation made by my ex who has a criminal record, says

:28:56. > :29:01.another. In my experience the authorities seem to aid and debt

:29:02. > :29:06.stalkers to keep on abusing. This text, I was 13 when I was groomed

:29:07. > :29:13.and stalked online by someone. The police were amazing in helping me

:29:14. > :29:16.with the case and even though there was not enough evidence to go to

:29:17. > :29:21.court the police keeping contact each year to let me know if any new

:29:22. > :29:27.evidence has been found and I am OK. I am now 22. A positive story,

:29:28. > :29:33.fantastic care from the police. There are some good prosecutors,

:29:34. > :29:36.lawyers, police officers, but if enough people have a poor

:29:37. > :29:42.experience, it will set you back. It is a postcode lottery, not

:29:43. > :29:46.streamlined across the country. In some areas you have a brilliant

:29:47. > :29:54.service with the police and CPS and victim support care, which is

:29:55. > :29:59.amazing. We are hearing the negative side, too many cases where there are

:30:00. > :30:05.failings and this is why we need to have the amendments, legislating

:30:06. > :30:10.victims' rights so there is a gold standard service that Keir Starmer

:30:11. > :30:15.who we worked with on the bill, said we should be providing. He is a

:30:16. > :30:17.former Director of Public Prosecutions, now an MP. Thanks.

:30:18. > :30:19.The Ministry of Justice told us that every victim deserves the best

:30:20. > :30:22.possible support to help them cope with what they have

:30:23. > :30:56.Still the three years ago, Enigma code brick Alan Turing was pardoned.

:30:57. > :30:58.long after his death - for gross indecency

:30:59. > :31:01.Now thousands of gay men who were convicted of

:31:02. > :31:03.similar offences back when gay sex was illegal -

:31:04. > :31:09.are to receive posthumous pardons from the government.

:31:10. > :31:18.Whyte we will talk to one of those men who is being offered a pardon.

:31:19. > :31:22.And we will talk to two former winners of the Great British Bake

:31:23. > :31:36.Off. Donald Trump has refused to say

:31:37. > :31:43.whether he will accept the result of the vote in the Arican elections. He

:31:44. > :31:48.repeated his claim that the election was rigged. Are you saying that you

:31:49. > :31:53.are not prepared to accept the result? I will tell you at the time.

:31:54. > :31:56.I for 1am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two

:31:57. > :32:11.major parties would take that kind of position.

:32:12. > :32:14.13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today.

:32:15. > :32:16.Around a hundred in total are due to arrive before

:32:17. > :32:20.Yesterday the Government fended off questions about the age of some

:32:21. > :32:21.of the migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18.

:32:22. > :32:26.Thousands of post office workers will strike on October 31 in the

:32:27. > :32:30.second strike by staff, and the union has not ruled out further

:32:31. > :32:34.action in the run-up to Christmas. Theresa May will attend her first EU

:32:35. > :32:37.summit since becoming Prime Minister Mrs May, who will trigger Brexit

:32:38. > :32:41.talks by the end of March, is expected to tell her counterparts

:32:42. > :32:44.that she wants a "smooth, The summit comes as the Government

:32:45. > :32:47.faces growing pressure to give Parliament a vote on the UK's

:32:48. > :32:51.negotiating principles. Many young people are so bad

:32:52. > :32:53.at maths they're struggling to manage their finances,

:32:54. > :32:55.pay their bills and choose the best energy tariff -

:32:56. > :32:58.that's according to an education National Numeracy is suggesting that

:32:59. > :33:01.lessons should be learned from computer games to challenge

:33:02. > :33:03.attitudes towards maths, and that too many pupils leave

:33:04. > :33:06.school without the number skills When you think about maths

:33:07. > :33:12.in school, it is often about complex But what you normally need in daily

:33:13. > :33:16.life is the opposite. It is about simple maths

:33:17. > :33:18.in complex situations. It is a false assumption that one

:33:19. > :33:20.leads to the other. We think that is at

:33:21. > :33:32.the heart of the problem. That's a summary of

:33:33. > :33:43.the latest BBC News. Time for the latest sport.

:33:44. > :33:46.Manchester City lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the Champions League

:33:47. > :33:53.last night. Lionel Messi scored a hat-trick at the Nou Camp. In the

:33:54. > :33:58.same group, Celtic lost 2-0 at home to Borussia Monchengladbach.

:33:59. > :34:03.Mistakes from Kolo Toure led to both of the goals. Arsenal are top of

:34:04. > :34:10.their group after making very easy work of the Bulgarian side. They won

:34:11. > :34:14.6-0, Mesut Ozil with his first career hat-trick. And a half-century

:34:15. > :34:20.from Moeen Ali has rescued England against Bangladesh on the first day

:34:21. > :34:28.of their test in Chittagong. They are currently 173-5 approaching tea.

:34:29. > :34:32.They had been 20-3 early on. I will be back at ten o'clock with a famous

:34:33. > :34:36.freestyle footballer. We will have to see what happens

:34:37. > :34:43.there! Thank you, Olly. We will look

:34:44. > :34:51.forward to that. It won't be all about Brexit when Theresa May

:34:52. > :34:57.travels to Brussels today, but talks of it will dominate. How big a deal

:34:58. > :35:01.is this, Norman? It is a big deal. Most of the other EU leaders don't

:35:02. > :35:04.really know her. She is a new Prime Minister. They haven't really had

:35:05. > :35:08.much chance to get a sense of the sort of person she is, so at a basic

:35:09. > :35:16.level, the dinner tonight is getting to know you, when she can try to

:35:17. > :35:21.present herself. She will say, hello, this is the kind of person I

:35:22. > :35:24.am, and it matters, because so much of politics, particularly in

:35:25. > :35:29.difficult negotiations, comes down to personal chemistry and how you

:35:30. > :35:34.get on with people. So that is one part of why this meeting matters.

:35:35. > :35:38.The second part is, she will try to reassure other EU leaders, because

:35:39. > :35:43.there is a good deal of apprehension about what Brexit will mean, how

:35:44. > :35:46.tough it will be and whether it will be a fist fight between Britain and

:35:47. > :35:48.the rest, and she will try to reassure them and say, this can be

:35:49. > :35:53.done in a calm and reasonable and ordered way, we don't have to knock

:35:54. > :35:57.the living daylights out of each other. Brexit can be good for

:35:58. > :36:02.Britain and it can be good for the EU, and what she means by that is

:36:03. > :36:05.that because we are leaving, she will argue, the rest of Europe can

:36:06. > :36:09.get on with what they want to focus on, in other words closer

:36:10. > :36:12.integration, trying to sort out Greece, and they needn't worry about

:36:13. > :36:17.Britain grumbling and groaning from the back of the queue looking for

:36:18. > :36:23.opt outs, saying they don't want to do that. So it is a message of

:36:24. > :36:28.reassurance, so it is hello, I am Theresa, and don't worry, Brexit

:36:29. > :36:32.will be fine. And had other leaders feel about Britain leaving? They are

:36:33. > :36:36.worried partly because there is a danger that Brexit will eat up a lot

:36:37. > :36:39.of their time when they have an awful lot else on their plates. They

:36:40. > :36:44.have the whole problem of what they do about President Putin, how they

:36:45. > :36:49.deal with Russia. They have a huge migration crisis to deal with. They

:36:50. > :36:53.still have Greece lurking on the horizon. The European economy is

:36:54. > :36:58.slowing down. So they have a lot on their plate, they don't want to be

:36:59. > :37:00.spending forever and a day wrangling with the Brits about Brexit. But the

:37:01. > :37:04.second thing that worried about is whether other EU countries take a

:37:05. > :37:08.look at Britain and say they got quite a good deal, why don't we get

:37:09. > :37:13.out? So what they are worried about is that Brexit becomes a green light

:37:14. > :37:19.for other unhappy nations, and potentially leads to the break-up of

:37:20. > :37:23.the EU, so there are big stakes for Theresa May here, but also big

:37:24. > :37:31.stakes for other EU leaders, to. Norman, thank you very much.

:37:32. > :37:35.A former suspect in the Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry is on a list

:37:36. > :37:37.of British fugitives named as the most wanted in Spain.

:37:38. > :37:39.Jamie Acourt, wanted on suspicion of conspiracy to supply cannabis,

:37:40. > :37:41.is among fugitives wanted on suspicion of murder,

:37:42. > :37:43.child sexual exploitation, and drug trafficking,

:37:44. > :37:50.It comes after the agency warned the UK may lose access to vital

:37:51. > :37:58.The Operation Captura list marks ten years of tracking

:37:59. > :38:03.Let's speak to Roger Critchell, Director of Operations

:38:04. > :38:08.for Crimestoppers UK who's in Malaga launching today's campaign.

:38:09. > :38:17.Tell us more about some of the most wanted ten men on this list. Good

:38:18. > :38:23.morning. As you say, we have just relaunched tenet knew wanted

:38:24. > :38:25.fugitives, some really nasty people, one in particular wanted for a

:38:26. > :38:33.serious assault in Scotland, paralysed his victim. With a

:38:34. > :38:38.machete. Two wanted for child abuse images, and one in particular, a guy

:38:39. > :38:46.called Carruthers is wanted by Cumbria police. He had when he was

:38:47. > :38:53.raided by police 3552 images, some of which were quite explicit sexual

:38:54. > :39:04.acts between and children. So they are dangerous people. And they are

:39:05. > :39:07.all in the SPAIN? We at Crimestoppers are independent of

:39:08. > :39:12.local authorities, and we can guarantee anonymity, we don't trace

:39:13. > :39:19.calls and IP addresses, that is why we get so much success, we believe.

:39:20. > :39:29.So are they hiding in the British expat community out there? Yes, we

:39:30. > :39:37.believe that they are here because they are hiding among the community,

:39:38. > :39:42.and you may see behind me, we have people who can tour around showing

:39:43. > :39:48.people images, and this goes into their backyard, so the pressure is

:39:49. > :39:58.on, and the heat is on for them. And the last time you did something like

:39:59. > :40:02.this, did it yields results? Yes, last year were released ten, two

:40:03. > :40:12.gave themselves up, and two were arrested back in the UK. But so far,

:40:13. > :40:16.over the ten years, 86 have been launched, and 76 have been caught.

:40:17. > :40:23.Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you.

:40:24. > :40:26.The Government is keeping its promise to pardon thousands

:40:27. > :40:28.of gay and bisexual men who, like Enigma codebreaker

:40:29. > :40:31.Alan Turing, were convicted of now abolished sexual offences.

:40:32. > :40:34.The announcement honours a commitment given following

:40:35. > :40:36.a Royal Pardon for Turing, who was prosecuted and

:40:37. > :40:43.It seems incredible now, but homosexual acts were illegal

:40:44. > :40:46.in the UK until 1967, and even then they were only

:40:47. > :40:49.decriminalised for over 21-year-olds.

:40:50. > :41:02.For most, today's announcement will mean a posthumous pardon.

:41:03. > :41:03.Those men died without ever being cleared.

:41:04. > :41:06.But some of the men who were turned into criminals - simply

:41:07. > :41:08.because of their sexuality - are still alive.

:41:09. > :41:11.They'll now be able to apply to have their names cleared.

:41:12. > :41:12.One of them is 93-year-old George Montague.

:41:13. > :41:16.He's a World War II veteran who was arrested back in the 1970s -

:41:17. > :41:19.and he's seen over the decades how hard things have been to be gay

:41:20. > :41:23.but also how things have slowly changed for the better.

:41:24. > :41:37.Thank you for talking to us. How are you? I am fine, thank you. How do

:41:38. > :41:42.you react to this news that you are going to be pardoned? The only way I

:41:43. > :41:48.can put it is that I am going to throw a spanner into the works. A

:41:49. > :41:57.big spanner in the works. Everyone is talking about a pardon. Why? The

:41:58. > :42:03.law was brought in by the Victorians in 1885. What did they know? What

:42:04. > :42:12.did anybody know in those days? They brought in a law which applied only

:42:13. > :42:21.to two men doing whatever. Whatever any body else does. The way I was

:42:22. > :42:28.put it, I am born, only able to be in love with a man. I married a

:42:29. > :42:33.woman and I loved her, but it was impossible to be in love with her.

:42:34. > :42:37.So in what way are you throwing a spanner in the works? You are not

:42:38. > :42:41.accepting this pardoned? Why are we getting a pardon? You only give a

:42:42. > :42:47.pardon to people who were guilty. What will we guilty of? Nothing. We

:42:48. > :42:53.did nothing. Heterosexual people could do what they liked. In shop

:42:54. > :43:00.doorways, the backs of cars, in the woods, anywhere. It didn't apply to

:43:01. > :43:09.them. Why should it apply to ask? The law of gross indecency is a

:43:10. > :43:16.total in justice. And therefore, there is no crime. Do you want

:43:17. > :43:24.something instead of a pardon? And apology. Just pure and simple, and

:43:25. > :43:30.apology and ape posthumous apology starting with Oscar Wilde, Alan

:43:31. > :43:41.Turing, thousands of others and me. And apology. For the quite

:43:42. > :43:45.understandable, very understandable misunderstanding of heterosexuals

:43:46. > :43:56.who find it impossible to understand, sexuality. I wonder if

:43:57. > :44:00.you could give an insight to our viewers for what it is like to have

:44:01. > :44:06.to hide your sexuality because homosexual acts are illegal, and

:44:07. > :44:19.then to be prosecuted for it. Well, it was horrendous. And what you had

:44:20. > :44:25.to do was what I did. You become a bit of an actor, and you are very

:44:26. > :44:31.careful, and you don't let anybody see or know anything. All you do is

:44:32. > :44:37.meet other people who I like yourself. The only place you could

:44:38. > :44:45.do that in a small country town and villages with no Internet, nothing

:44:46. > :44:49.at all, and if you didn't meet someone, and discover that you

:44:50. > :44:58.weren't the only one, you would probably go mad. So what we did, we

:44:59. > :45:02.used to meet in the local what I call, refusing to call a public

:45:03. > :45:09.toilet, that sounds bad. But the gents side of the gents toilet,

:45:10. > :45:14.there were only other men in there. And very occasionally if you were

:45:15. > :45:18.lonely, you just went along, and you often didn't do anything at all, but

:45:19. > :45:23.you could with your eyes see someone, and you could talk to them

:45:24. > :45:27.with your eyes without anybody knowing anything. But the police

:45:28. > :45:34.became aware of that, and what they did, which is what we mainly want

:45:35. > :45:40.the apology for, is they weren't getting any arrests because we were

:45:41. > :45:44.very discreet. They have holes drilled. They were called cottage

:45:45. > :45:49.because they were like a cottage with a pitched roof and aloft, and

:45:50. > :45:55.the police would get in the loft with holes and look down, and

:45:56. > :46:00.frequently later on they saw nothing, so what do they do? They

:46:01. > :46:07.take the youngest, prettiest looking policeman in the station, not gay,

:46:08. > :46:16.not in uniform, send him in and he would tempt, smile at people,

:46:17. > :46:21.provocative. That is what we need an apology for more than anything.

:46:22. > :46:24.George, thank you very much, and I wish you all the best. Thank you for

:46:25. > :46:31.talking to our audience this morning. Wonderful.

:46:32. > :46:37.He is clear, he wants an apology. Still to come:

:46:38. > :46:41.MPs get the chance to have their say on whether or not Sir Philip Green -

:46:42. > :46:43.former head of collapsed retailer BHS - should be

:46:44. > :46:47.We'll be speaking to two former BHS workers and two MPs who'll be

:46:48. > :46:59.Millions of viewers were gripped because of the semifinal of the

:47:00. > :47:04.Great British Bake Off. Free baking challenges stood between the four

:47:05. > :47:06.contestants and a place in the final. Let's see how they got on.

:47:07. > :47:08.Today you're going to have to embrace your French side!

:47:09. > :47:11.What Paul and Mary would love you to make, 24 savoury palmiers!

:47:12. > :47:19.I do enjoy making pastry, it's just sometimes things

:47:20. > :47:23.in the tent go differently to how you expect.

:47:24. > :47:31.A bit of rivalry going on here!

:47:32. > :47:47.Set the timer for about eight minutes.

:47:48. > :47:49.I was a little worried your salmon flavour wouldn't come

:47:50. > :47:54.But it is only the outside that's crisp.

:47:55. > :48:02.Now, for your technical challenge, Paul and Mary would like you to make

:48:03. > :48:17.I think it's going to be hard for the chocolate to set properly.

:48:18. > :48:22.The cream is melting, it's so hot.

:48:23. > :48:29.You have to keep the cream as cold as possible.

:48:30. > :48:36.There's a little bit in the middle.

:48:37. > :48:42.Today, Paul and Mary would love for you to make 36 fondant fancies.

:48:43. > :48:46.I'm calling these my Philharmonic fondants.

:48:47. > :48:49.I'm going to do orchestra players and then a choir

:48:50. > :48:52.So this will go into that hole?

:48:53. > :48:57.And the juice will go down like a drizzle?

:48:58. > :49:00.I'm making my sponge again because Mary made a comment,

:49:01. > :49:08.That means she's going to be looking for air pockets.

:49:09. > :49:14.Can I just say, I'm loving your fondant straddle.

:49:15. > :49:24.The bake is over, step away from your bakes, please.

:49:25. > :49:29.The genoise is peeking through where the icing isn't even.

:49:30. > :49:34.The sweetness is there but then the tang coming in is beautiful.

:49:35. > :49:40.Both of them you have gone simple which, in a way, is a good idea.

:49:41. > :49:43.I know this is a really hard week for anyone to leave.

:49:44. > :49:46.And so it is with incredible sadness, that this week

:49:47. > :50:00.I'm using this as an excuse to get very, very close to you, Selasi.

:50:01. > :50:19.Let's talk to two former Bake Off winners - Edd Kimber,

:50:20. > :50:22.who came out on top in 2010, and Jo Wheatley, who

:50:23. > :50:31.I think Selasi was probably the weakest last night. It was not the

:50:32. > :50:35.people I predicted to be in there. But the show works in such a way if

:50:36. > :50:40.you do not do well on the day, you do not get through and you cannot

:50:41. > :50:45.argue with the result. You were watching that and you were pleased

:50:46. > :50:49.you did not have to make the fondants fantasies. They are fine if

:50:50. > :50:54.you can make them the day before and freeze the cake and a firm, but

:50:55. > :51:00.having to the fondant on, that was really mean. What do you make of

:51:01. > :51:05.this series? What I find interesting is when people talk about it, they

:51:06. > :51:08.are almost not talking about the contestants this year, it has been

:51:09. > :51:13.overshadowed by the backstage drama which is a shame for the contestants

:51:14. > :51:20.because it has been a really good series, but almost nobody is talking

:51:21. > :51:25.about it any more. Let's talk about them. All bringing something

:51:26. > :51:30.different to the final, who was your favourite? I love and truth. They

:51:31. > :51:35.are all great but he has been consistent and gets on and does his

:51:36. > :51:40.thing without too much fuss. I totally agree, he was somebody I

:51:41. > :51:44.thought from day one would be in the final. He has been consistent all

:51:45. > :51:50.the way through and that is the most important thing, because in the

:51:51. > :51:55.final, there is consideration through the show, so I think Andrew

:51:56. > :52:01.is top choice. Some people are not mad on him because? People have told

:52:02. > :52:05.me they do not like his personality, which I don't get. He reminds me of

:52:06. > :52:10.me almost when I was on the show. He clearly cares and he is passionate

:52:11. > :52:17.about what he does and takes it seriously. Anyone who has been in

:52:18. > :52:23.the kitchen with me, I am similar. I want to ask you what it is like

:52:24. > :52:30.filming a normal episode compared to filming the final, what are the

:52:31. > :52:35.differences? It was karma for me. Because you are losing people as you

:52:36. > :52:40.go on and so in the final for me, there were two benches. The camera

:52:41. > :52:44.crew and presenters and judges are not there all the time because they

:52:45. > :52:49.are six hour challenges and so a lot of the time me and the other

:52:50. > :52:54.finalists were there on our own, just baking along and it was oddly

:52:55. > :53:00.calm. I found you have done the whole journey, so you had achieved.

:53:01. > :53:04.I had no perception of winning. I thought I was lucky to make it

:53:05. > :53:10.through each week. When we got to the final I had really calmed down

:53:11. > :53:14.and I think I baked the best I had through the whole series. Because

:53:15. > :53:21.you had achieved so much by reaching the final? I thoroughly enjoyed the

:53:22. > :53:26.final. That probably helped. Doing the final show stopper masterpiece,

:53:27. > :53:36.as someone who cannot bake, I cannot imagine that kind of stress. For me

:53:37. > :53:40.it was the first time I allowed myself to think I might win because

:53:41. > :53:44.I have never allowed myself to think I would get to the final or even win

:53:45. > :53:50.but waking up the morning of the final, was a moment of, OK this

:53:51. > :53:56.might happen. I had nerves, but the intensity of it, I was making

:53:57. > :54:01.afternoon tea for 30 people and halfway through I cut myself badly,

:54:02. > :54:06.so there was stress, but it was an enjoyable process. I was there with

:54:07. > :54:10.a really good friend and said as difficult as it is it was a nice

:54:11. > :54:17.occasion. Who will win? I think Andrew. Betting has stopped on

:54:18. > :54:22.Candace. That normally indicates they think she might win. I think

:54:23. > :54:28.Andrew should win. He is my favourite. I did want Benjamina to

:54:29. > :54:39.win originally. We have discussed this before. What

:54:40. > :54:44.do you think about it moving to Channel 4 with Paul Hollywood? I was

:54:45. > :54:49.not someone who thought no one else could make the show. The BBC has

:54:50. > :54:54.done an incredible job and it feels naturally at home on the BBC but

:54:55. > :54:58.Channel 4 make great food shows. I was more upset when Mel and Sue left

:54:59. > :55:03.and Mary left because it is like taking bricks out of a wall and

:55:04. > :55:07.those three are important to the show. I think it could still be

:55:08. > :55:13.good, but we will not know until they announce the new people and

:55:14. > :55:17.whether they gel in the same way as this four because it is a unique

:55:18. > :55:20.relationship between them which makes the show brilliant. When you

:55:21. > :55:26.knew Paul Hollywood would go to Channel 4, what did you think? I am

:55:27. > :55:32.pleased he is staying with the show. He is the anchor that we can relate

:55:33. > :55:37.to that is the same show and I think the basis of the show will still be

:55:38. > :55:43.there. It might even be better and surprise everybody. We will see.

:55:44. > :55:50.Thanks. The final next week, of course. Still to come.

:55:51. > :55:59.Donald Trump blames Hillary Clinton for drumming up sexual assault

:56:00. > :56:05.allegations against him. Before that, the weather. Hello we

:56:06. > :56:11.have a mixture of weather today. Over the next couple of days it is

:56:12. > :56:16.quiet, but there are little differences. We start by looking at

:56:17. > :56:24.these pictures. This is North Yorkshire. Travelling south,

:56:25. > :56:29.beautiful skies. In Guernsey. Finally, another lovely picture from

:56:30. > :56:34.Cornwall. Again, a little bit of missed this morning. That has

:56:35. > :56:39.cleared for many and we are looking at a dry day, but there are showers

:56:40. > :56:43.coming in from the East and some have drifted further west than

:56:44. > :56:49.expected, getting into Wales and Cumbria. In the west they could hang

:56:50. > :56:55.on until the afternoon. Light in the east and in the east a brisk

:56:56. > :56:59.north-easterly wind, accentuated the chilly feel. There will be sunny

:57:00. > :57:03.spells and the best of the sunshine in the west. Drifting across

:57:04. > :57:10.southern counties, Hampshire into the south-west. You might catch the

:57:11. > :57:15.odd shower in Wales in the afternoon. In Northern Ireland,

:57:16. > :57:20.looking at sunshine as we are across much of Scotland. The weather quiet

:57:21. > :57:25.with nuances. In northern England, one or two showers as we sweep down

:57:26. > :57:29.towards the Midlands and into the south-east corner. Through the

:57:30. > :57:33.evening and overnight, the wind will ease that there will be showers

:57:34. > :57:39.around. Clear skies and so a cold night tonight than the one just

:57:40. > :57:47.gone. Looking at some frost. These are the temperatures. In towns and

:57:48. > :57:51.cities. Lower in rural areas. As well as Apache frost we are looking

:57:52. > :57:57.at patchy fog and tomorrow it will be slow to clear in some areas.

:57:58. > :58:01.Tomorrow if anything, we will have more sunshine. A light breeze coming

:58:02. > :58:06.in from the east. Blowing in showers, a lot of those will be

:58:07. > :58:14.coastal. We will also see some later in the day across north-east

:58:15. > :58:19.Scotland. No great shakes, but if you are out of the wind, in the

:58:20. > :58:25.sunshine, it will feel pleasant enough for the time of year. On

:58:26. > :58:28.Saturday, the wind is strengthening coming in from a north-easterly

:58:29. > :58:35.direction and if you are walking along the shoreline, you will feel

:58:36. > :58:41.cold. Further west, into brighter skies and the wind will pick up and

:58:42. > :58:46.temperatures around 10-15. As we head into Sunday, we have low

:58:47. > :58:52.pressure winding its way slowly towards us. We might see rain later

:58:53. > :58:57.on Sunday into Monday coming up from the south, but again it will feel

:58:58. > :59:03.colder in the easterly wind. So quite a bit going on with the

:59:04. > :59:07.weather. Thanks for your comments, including

:59:08. > :59:14.George Montagu. Sophie says George Slade it and an apology is deserved,

:59:15. > :59:18.not a pardon. And this e-mail, I just wanted to say, as a gay man, I

:59:19. > :59:26.enjoyed your conversation with George Montagu. Speaking to a living

:59:27. > :59:30.person affected by that law was an eye-opener and it filled me with

:59:31. > :59:35.dread even though that is not a time we live in any more. I agree, why

:59:36. > :59:39.pardon someone for doing something that was not wrong in the first

:59:40. > :59:45.place? An apology is essential. We have comments from you about

:59:46. > :59:49.stalking and the conversation we began the programme with, that

:59:50. > :59:54.victims of crime are let down by elements of the criminal justice

:59:55. > :59:59.system. Andrew says, stalking, and awful crime. Our daughter suffered

:00:00. > :00:04.with an anonymous stalker but the police in Bristol were excellent,

:00:05. > :00:09.eventually arresting the offender. Support given by them at all stages

:00:10. > :00:13.of the process and afterwards. So there is good practice in some

:00:14. > :00:17.parts. This text from Julie, currently being harassed and for the

:00:18. > :00:24.last six years. Relentless and no end in sight. They using the civil

:00:25. > :00:29.courts to continue. Samantha said she had been to court with an

:00:30. > :00:33.abusive extern stalker. The court did not hear 999 evidence tapes and

:00:34. > :00:38.the police refused to view my evidence and he was let off. The

:00:39. > :00:40.system seems to be biased towards men. Keep those coming in and we

:00:41. > :00:46.will read more in the next hour. Hello. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:47. > :00:52.Coming up: Business as usual in the final TV

:00:53. > :00:54.showdown before America votes for its next president

:00:55. > :00:57.as Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton trade angry insults over

:00:58. > :01:08.well practically everything. Including President Putin. From

:01:09. > :01:12.everything I see, he has no respect for this person. That is because he

:01:13. > :01:14.would rather have a puppet as President. No puppet, you're the

:01:15. > :01:19.puppet. Here: MPs will debate today whether former

:01:20. > :01:22.owner of BHS Philip Green should still be a Sir or should be

:01:23. > :01:25.stripped of his knighthood. We talk to BHS workers who've

:01:26. > :01:28.lost their jobs. And missing after a Friday night out

:01:29. > :01:31.RAF gunner Corrie McKeague hasn't been seen for almost a month,

:01:32. > :01:47.despite extensive land Nobody can just disappear. I know

:01:48. > :01:50.that. But nothing. Not one person can give us anything, and that just

:01:51. > :01:58.doesn't make sense. Martine is in the BBC

:01:59. > :02:09.Newsroom with a summary Good morning. Donald Trump has

:02:10. > :02:13.refused to say whether he will accept the result of the US election

:02:14. > :02:17.in three weeks. During the final debate, the pair clashed over

:02:18. > :02:22.relations with Russia, gun control and abortion rights. Mr Trump

:02:23. > :02:27.repeated his claim that the election was rigged.

:02:28. > :02:30.Thousands of Post Office workers are to strike

:02:31. > :02:32.in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures.

:02:33. > :02:34.Members of the Communication Workers Union will walk out

:02:35. > :02:38.It will be the second strike by staff and the union has not ruled

:02:39. > :02:40.out further action in the run up to Christmas.

:02:41. > :02:43.13 more child migrants are heading to Calais today.

:02:44. > :02:45.Around a hundred in total are due to arrive before

:02:46. > :02:49.Yesterday the Government fended off questions about the age of some

:02:50. > :02:55.of the migrants after criticism that some looked older than 18.

:02:56. > :02:57.Thousands of gay and bisexual men who were convicted of sexual

:02:58. > :03:00.offences which have since been abolished are to be

:03:01. > :03:03.The announcement honours a Government commitment made

:03:04. > :03:09.after the Enigma codebreaker, Alan Turing, was pardoned in 2013.

:03:10. > :03:11.Those living will also receive a pardon after applying

:03:12. > :03:13.to the Home Office to have their names cleared.

:03:14. > :03:15.But George Montague, a World War II veteran

:03:16. > :03:18.who was arrested in the 1970s for being gay, says he wants

:03:19. > :03:36.Why? Why are we getting pardons? What are we guilty of? Nothing,

:03:37. > :03:40.absolutely nothing. Heterosexual people could do what they like, in

:03:41. > :03:44.shop doorways, in the backs of cars, in the woods, anywhere. It didn't

:03:45. > :03:51.apply to them. Why should it apply to us? It is wrong. The law of gross

:03:52. > :04:03.indecency is a total injustice. George Montagu.

:04:04. > :04:05.The European Space Agency says it does not know if a probe

:04:06. > :04:07.it was attempting to land on Mars survived.

:04:08. > :04:09.The signal from the Schiaparelli lander disappeared just before

:04:10. > :04:13.Satellites have attempted to shed light on the probe's status,

:04:14. > :04:16.That's a summary of the latest BBC News more at 10.30.

:04:17. > :04:21.Thank you very much. Here is another e-mail on stalking and how you have

:04:22. > :04:26.been treated by the Criminal Justice Act on. David says this, as a man of

:04:27. > :04:31.60 I was stalked and harassed by a neighbour, and despite police

:04:32. > :04:33.involvement, video evidence etc, little was done. Eventually a

:04:34. > :04:38.community protection notice was given to him, but even then he

:04:39. > :04:41.didn't stop, and when I contacted police again, I was brushed off,

:04:42. > :04:44.being told it was a low-level crime and wouldn't get caught so they

:04:45. > :04:49.wouldn't do anything else as they were too busy dealing with other

:04:50. > :04:52.crimes. If you want to send an e-mail, you are very welcome.

:04:53. > :04:55.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:04:56. > :04:57.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:04:58. > :05:02.Time for the sport with Olly. We saw some wonderful goals last night in

:05:03. > :05:06.the Champions League. Lionel Messi scored his 37th hat-trick for

:05:07. > :05:13.Barcelona as they thumped Manchester City at the Nou Camp 4-0. I wonder

:05:14. > :05:19.whether Messi and co-learned anything from a few previous

:05:20. > :05:25.meetings over the last few months. With the F2 freestylers, one half of

:05:26. > :05:28.which is Jeremy Lane. An Internet sensation, I'm sure all kids out

:05:29. > :05:33.there, I have seen you do your stuff, you are everywhere, 100

:05:34. > :05:38.million views a month, which is incredible, you have just been

:05:39. > :05:42.telling me. And for stuff like this. Barcelona invited you down to see

:05:43. > :05:49.you as well. That is your partner in crime, Billy. You have really taken

:05:50. > :05:55.off with what you can do. It is incredible how far it has come so

:05:56. > :06:00.quickly. We have blown up on the Internet. This was us when we got

:06:01. > :06:07.invited by Barcelona to go and train with Barcelona, so for us, this is

:06:08. > :06:11.like a dream come true. We made a video of it, put it on you Tube, it

:06:12. > :06:16.went viral, and that is just one of many videos. He did that first time,

:06:17. > :06:21.by the way. We said, don't worry if you miss. It is incredible, the

:06:22. > :06:27.things we get to do, honestly. And Lionel Messi was involved as well.

:06:28. > :06:31.If we have a look at some of your videos, as well. A lot of putting

:06:32. > :06:36.balls in the bin. Do you get them out afterwards? Bellows of expensive

:06:37. > :06:40.footballs in bins? We usually make sure that the bin is empty or there

:06:41. > :06:48.is something clean in there. It is just an Internet trend called bin

:06:49. > :06:54.shots that we lashed onto, and we put examples on there. Kids love it.

:06:55. > :07:00.So we have made a few videos of incredible ways to get a ball into a

:07:01. > :07:02.bin. And that is what we do. We make amazing content consistently, and

:07:03. > :07:07.that is how we have got to the point where we have a social reach of 11.4

:07:08. > :07:14.million, we get 100 million views per month across our social, it it

:07:15. > :07:17.is incredible and we are very lucky. You started with dreams to be a

:07:18. > :07:21.professional footballer, came through the Arsenal academy, and

:07:22. > :07:27.this will inspire kids to get a ball at their feet as well. Definitely.

:07:28. > :07:31.We got into the tricks so young and had such incredible opportunities

:07:32. > :07:34.from such a young age, they were too good to turn down, so we ended up

:07:35. > :07:38.going with the flow with the tricks, let's see how long it lasts. And to

:07:39. > :07:43.this day, we are still riding the wave and it has been an incredible

:07:44. > :07:48.journey. But what it is a testament to is that to kids that might not

:07:49. > :07:52.make it in football, there are other avenues in the game where you can

:07:53. > :07:55.make a career and still be involved in the beautiful game. You have had

:07:56. > :08:00.some of the top players around the world, we have seen a couple of them

:08:01. > :08:03.are Barcelona, they are the very top when you are looking at Suarez and

:08:04. > :08:07.Messi. Have they got all of your tricks as well? Do you think that

:08:08. > :08:10.the game could benefit from seeing a few of these things on the pitch

:08:11. > :08:15.during the match? Or would they get crunched? You do stand to get

:08:16. > :08:18.crunched if you do tricks in the game. Messi doesn't need to. He is

:08:19. > :08:23.the greatest example of how, he doesn't do any tricks ever, but a

:08:24. > :08:27.little drop of the shoulder at the right time and he is unbelievable,

:08:28. > :08:32.quick travelling skills. He doesn't need tricks, he is Lionel Messi.

:08:33. > :08:36.What we do is entertainment, it is different things. I would love to be

:08:37. > :08:44.able to get on the pitch and do what Messi does, we are good but I don't

:08:45. > :08:47.know if we are that good! Jeremy, thank you very much, and say hello

:08:48. > :08:52.to Billy as well. A world-famous freestyle footballer!

:08:53. > :08:57.Olly, have you had a go? You haven't tried to kick a football into a bin?

:08:58. > :09:02.I probably have, but I don't think I would get close!

:09:03. > :09:03.Thank you very much. Next, Donald Trump shocks commentators again by

:09:04. > :09:09.refusing to say whether he would accept the outcome

:09:10. > :09:14.of the US debate on November the 8th if he loses. He and Hillary Clinton

:09:15. > :09:16.traded blows over 90 minutes unless Vegas, their last trade-off of the

:09:17. > :09:25.campaign. But he is thought to have done

:09:26. > :09:45.better in that debate. We welcome the Republican nominee

:09:46. > :09:49.for president. We have to have strong borders, we have to keep

:09:50. > :09:57.drugs out of our country. Right now we're getting the drugs, they are

:09:58. > :10:03.getting the cash, but they have some bad hombres here, we have to get

:10:04. > :10:11.out. I don't want to see the force that Donald has talked about. I

:10:12. > :10:14.don't know Putin. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia

:10:15. > :10:20.and the United States got along well and went after Isis, that would be

:10:21. > :10:23.good. He has no respect for her, no respect for our president, and I

:10:24. > :10:27.tell you what, we are in very serious trouble, because we have a

:10:28. > :10:39.country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1800, by the way,

:10:40. > :10:46.and she is playing chicken. From everything I see, Putin has no

:10:47. > :10:51.respect for this person. He would rather have a puppet as President.

:10:52. > :10:55.No puppet. It is pretty clear you would admit that the Russians have

:10:56. > :11:01.engaged in cyber attacks against the United States of America, that you

:11:02. > :11:06.encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to

:11:07. > :11:11.spite the Putin line, sign for his wish list, break-up Nato, do

:11:12. > :11:18.whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him

:11:19. > :11:24.because he has a very clear favourite in this race. I think that

:11:25. > :11:27.this is such an unprecedented situation, we have never had a

:11:28. > :11:31.foreign Government trying to interfere in our election. The

:11:32. > :11:35.stories are all totally false, I have to say that. I didn't even

:11:36. > :11:39.apologise to my wife who is sitting right here, because I didn't do

:11:40. > :11:43.anything. I didn't know any of these women, I didn't see these women. The

:11:44. > :11:48.woman on the plane. I think they want either fame or her campaign did

:11:49. > :11:53.it, and I think it is her campaign. Because when I saw what they did,

:11:54. > :11:57.which is a criminal act, by the way, where they are telling people to go

:11:58. > :12:01.out and start fistfights and violence, and I tell you what, in

:12:02. > :12:05.particular in Chicago, people were hurt and people could have been

:12:06. > :12:10.killed in that riot, and that is all on tape, started by her. I believe

:12:11. > :12:16.that she got these people to step forward. If it wasn't, they get

:12:17. > :12:21.their ten minutes of fame. But they were all totally, it was fiction and

:12:22. > :12:27.lies. Bernie Sanders, who he is supporting the president, he has

:12:28. > :12:31.said you are the most dangerous person to run for president in the

:12:32. > :12:35.modern history of America. I think he is right. She should never have

:12:36. > :12:39.been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did

:12:40. > :12:46.with e-mails and so many other things. There is a tradition in this

:12:47. > :12:51.country, that peaceful transition of power, no matter how hard forte

:12:52. > :12:55.campaign is, at the end of campaign, the loser concedes to the winner.

:12:56. > :12:59.Not saying that you are necessarily going to be the loser or the winner,

:13:00. > :13:02.but that the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes

:13:03. > :13:07.together for the good of the country. Are you saying you are not

:13:08. > :13:11.prepared now to commit to that? I will tell you at the time. I'll keep

:13:12. > :13:17.you in suspense. Let me respond to that, because that is horrifying.

:13:18. > :13:20.Every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he

:13:21. > :13:24.claims whatever it is is rigged against him. If you go with what

:13:25. > :13:29.Hillary is saying in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip

:13:30. > :13:35.the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of

:13:36. > :13:40.the baby. Now you can say that that is OK, and Hillary can say that that

:13:41. > :13:44.is OK, but it's not OK with me. Because based on what she is saying

:13:45. > :13:48.and based on where she is going and where she has been, you can take the

:13:49. > :13:52.baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month. On the

:13:53. > :13:58.final day. And that's not acceptable. That is not what happens

:13:59. > :14:02.in these cases, and using that rhetoric is just terribly

:14:03. > :14:06.unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I have met

:14:07. > :14:11.with, wherein I have known over the course of my life. This is one of

:14:12. > :14:14.the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make.

:14:15. > :14:22.And I do not believe the Government should be making it. Thank you and

:14:23. > :14:28.good night. Who won? We asked to political

:14:29. > :14:29.commentators t the Politico news site

:14:30. > :14:32.who was at the debate in Las Vegas and from Washington Anneke Green,

:14:33. > :14:39.a senior director The White House Group.

:14:40. > :14:45.My prediction was Donald Trump would be more aggressive than the previous

:14:46. > :14:49.two but that did not come to pass. He was on message, particularly for

:14:50. > :14:58.him. We have moments where I think he reverted to the type of behaviour

:14:59. > :15:03.he would expect, interrupting her. He said -- she said he was a puppet

:15:04. > :15:10.of Putin and he said she was the puppet. Overall, he was very

:15:11. > :15:16.disciplined and on message and she did a great job as well and did not

:15:17. > :15:22.really rise to any of his attacks, interruptions. Was there a knockout

:15:23. > :15:27.blow from either of them? I would not say necessarily a knockout blow.

:15:28. > :15:30.I agree Donald Trump was more disciplined, he was calmer,

:15:31. > :15:35.especially at the beginning. It started to unravel towards the end

:15:36. > :15:43.as he began to interrupt more and talk about things, he was missing

:15:44. > :15:47.opportunities to hit back on Hillary Clinton. She had good moments and

:15:48. > :15:53.did what she needed to do in this debate and the talk among the

:15:54. > :15:57.reporters, afterwards, was that this pretty much helped her clinch the

:15:58. > :16:06.presidency and even the New York post, run by Rupert Murdoch, which

:16:07. > :16:11.tends to be right-leaning, said as well. Donald Trump did not do

:16:12. > :16:15.anything so fantastic that maybe would have changed momentum for him

:16:16. > :16:20.but he also did not make him go any worse than what he is doing now. I

:16:21. > :16:25.wonder, Donald Trump saying he might not accept the result of the

:16:26. > :16:32.election, does that help or hinder him when it comes to voters? I think

:16:33. > :16:37.it helps him with his bass and his strategy has been to rally their

:16:38. > :16:42.base. They assert 81% of Republicans are supporting the number need

:16:43. > :16:46.whereas 87% of Democrats are supporting their nominee said if

:16:47. > :16:51.they can get more Republicans to support the nominee they think that

:16:52. > :16:56.is a passive victory. Saying he will not lie down and accept the verdict

:16:57. > :17:01.if he believes there is corruption or it is raked, as he was saying, I

:17:02. > :17:08.think it is in keeping with that strategy. Do you know what he means

:17:09. > :17:15.when he says he thinks it is raked? What is he referring to? He said it,

:17:16. > :17:24.he is referring to photo fraud, he keeps referring to instances of four

:17:25. > :17:29.examples Chicago, in history, where politicians helped alter elections

:17:30. > :17:36.in some way. He is talking about rigging elections, as much as he is

:17:37. > :17:41.trying to spin it that the media is in cahoots with the Clinton

:17:42. > :17:46.campaign. He is talking about voter fraud. He is encouraging supporters

:17:47. > :17:52.to go and watch the polling to make sure nothing nefarious is going on,

:17:53. > :17:58.despite the fact there is evidence pointing to very little if any voter

:17:59. > :18:02.fraud. But this is how he has talked of this entire election cycle. When

:18:03. > :18:09.it is not going in his favour he says it is raked. The information we

:18:10. > :18:13.have is a lot of reporters and politicians, including Republicans,

:18:14. > :18:16.saying this is one of the basic foundations of the American

:18:17. > :18:20.democracy, the peaceful transition of power and if Donald Trump says he

:18:21. > :18:27.does not know whether he will accept the result, it could lead to unrest,

:18:28. > :18:33.and could be not a very pleasant time in the US come election day

:18:34. > :18:38.should he continue to act that way. Who will win? At this point the

:18:39. > :18:50.polls pointing to a Hillary Clinton win. It looks like one reason I

:18:51. > :18:54.think Donald Trump's opportunity tonight to say these allegations are

:18:55. > :18:58.baseless, I did not attack these women, at least gave him the chance

:18:59. > :19:05.after the second debate to reiterate his claims of innocence and least

:19:06. > :19:09.have his voters hear that so if there is any chance for him to

:19:10. > :19:12.narrow the gap between himself and Secretary Clinton I would say that

:19:13. > :19:20.is where it is going to be but at this point she is six points ahead.

:19:21. > :19:27.A final thought from you, has this election campaign debased US

:19:28. > :19:30.politics? I think it has exposed a lot of the dirty undercurrent

:19:31. > :19:38.currents of US politics that have been around for a while. If you...

:19:39. > :19:44.People talk about the hypocrisy of politicians and how a lot of times

:19:45. > :19:48.not necessarily paying attention to issues and how a politician has been

:19:49. > :19:55.standing on things. This election has exposed that. It has exposed a

:19:56. > :19:59.lot of uncomfortable sentiments amongst a certain group of people

:20:00. > :20:07.for how they feel. People feeling maybe the United States has moved

:20:08. > :20:13.past, there are elements from and high Semitism, to fears about

:20:14. > :20:18.immigrants. I myself have been directly targeted by people who are

:20:19. > :20:27.anti-Semitic, telling me to go back to Israel. Not in any election I

:20:28. > :20:34.have covered have journalists experienced this type of vitriol

:20:35. > :20:40.before. Thanks for your time. We really appreciate it.

:20:41. > :20:43.Should the former boss of BHS, Sir Philip Green, be stripped

:20:44. > :20:45.of knighthood for his part in the High Street store's downfall?

:20:46. > :20:49.Sir Philip sold the chain for just one pound, leaving a half billion

:20:50. > :20:54.He's been accused of "systematically plundering" the company which once

:20:55. > :20:59.Today, MPs are set to debate whether he should be

:21:00. > :21:01.stripped of his knighthood, which he was awarded in 2006

:21:02. > :21:11.But is this symbolic gesture of any help to those who have lost out?

:21:12. > :21:14.Here to discuss this are two MPs who have been the most

:21:15. > :21:17.outspoken in their criticism of Sir Philip Green.

:21:18. > :21:27.Iain Wright for Labour and the Conservative Richard Fuller.

:21:28. > :21:30.We also have a former employee of BHS, Mark Dadson in Newcastle

:21:31. > :21:42.What is this discussion about stripping him of his knighthood? It

:21:43. > :21:46.is a wider discussion, the sorry tale of British home stores and how

:21:47. > :21:52.because of greed and mismanagement and incompetence we have now lost

:21:53. > :21:57.11,000 jobs and 20,000 pensioners might lose entitlements. There are

:21:58. > :22:01.stories and lessons to be learned in regard to corporate governance in

:22:02. > :22:06.terms of how companies are governed and what needs to be put in place,

:22:07. > :22:09.what checks before you buy and sell companies. It is the biggest

:22:10. > :22:14.corporate scandal in something like a decade but there are lessons to

:22:15. > :22:18.learn. There will be a vote on stripping Sir Philip Green of his

:22:19. > :22:22.knighthood, what is the point of that, especially as it is a vote not

:22:23. > :22:27.binding? Parliament does not have the power to remove honours but it

:22:28. > :22:33.is important representatives take a view and I think symbols matter. You

:22:34. > :22:38.said in the opening remarks, he got the knighthood for services to

:22:39. > :22:47.retail. What the report into BHS showed, it showed he is not very

:22:48. > :22:49.good at retail. He has not been innovative, not provided sustainable

:22:50. > :22:52.success. BHS is one of the biggest failures on the high street we have

:22:53. > :22:57.seen in recent times and on that basis should he have a knighthood?

:22:58. > :23:01.Is it not a distraction from the serious working out of some kind of

:23:02. > :23:06.deal with Sir Philip Green to make sure people like Mark get their

:23:07. > :23:11.pensions? It is serious and it is not a distraction and we have

:23:12. > :23:15.witnessed since the report a summer where employees in stores across the

:23:16. > :23:21.country have lost their job and have had to find new work and at the same

:23:22. > :23:25.time Sir Philip Green has oscillated between sending out QCs to protect

:23:26. > :23:30.his position and saying he is very sorry, but not actually doing

:23:31. > :23:34.anything. The honour system should be about honour, it is not about not

:23:35. > :23:38.making mistakes, we make mistakes, but what does your moral code tell

:23:39. > :23:43.you what you should be doing when things go wrong? Over the summer,

:23:44. > :23:48.Sir Philip Green chose to take his ?100 million yacht and spend his

:23:49. > :23:52.summer there. He did not choose to help mark or other BHS employees and

:23:53. > :24:00.he has not chosen to make agreements with the Pensions Regulator. It is

:24:01. > :24:05.not a distraction. Mark, you worked there ten years. You will not

:24:06. > :24:10.receive your pension for some time because you are only 40 but tell us

:24:11. > :24:14.your concerns. I have heard absolutely nothing, nothing from the

:24:15. > :24:19.official regulators, the store, absolutely nothing, so I am left in

:24:20. > :24:25.the dark and I do not know if I get my pension, how much it will be,

:24:26. > :24:29.what it is worth. As far as I am concerned, this incident has not

:24:30. > :24:37.happened. You invested a lot? About ?40,000. What do you make of the

:24:38. > :24:40.vote is set to be taken today by MPs about whether Sir Philip Green

:24:41. > :24:47.should be plain Philip Green? It is symbolic. The greater debate is how

:24:48. > :24:52.can we learn lessons so it does not happen again? So people like myself

:24:53. > :24:59.do not have the worry or heartache about wondering about their

:25:00. > :25:02.pensions. I saved and 17 in the pension scheme, only to have the rug

:25:03. > :25:08.is taken from underneath me and not knowing what will happen next, yet

:25:09. > :25:12.he could easily bridged the pension deficit by writing a cheque and I

:25:13. > :25:18.cannot understand what the delay is. I do not understand. He is a

:25:19. > :25:23.multimillionaire. Is it as simple as Sir Philip Green writing a cheque to

:25:24. > :25:30.fill in the shortfall? What is stopping it? What is stopping Sir

:25:31. > :25:35.Philip Green resolving this? Our law about companies, we allow people to

:25:36. > :25:39.have tremendous freedom to look after their employees, people who

:25:40. > :25:45.supply their companies, customers, on the expectation they will do the

:25:46. > :25:49.right thing and leaving employees of British home stores like Mark in the

:25:50. > :25:53.dark, that is not the right thing. It is as simple as Sir Philip Green

:25:54. > :25:58.making that deal happen. Philip Green is seen as a consummate

:25:59. > :26:03.deal-maker. He has bought and sold companies worth billions of pounds

:26:04. > :26:07.at a weekend. If he has the mind and will to do something, it happens

:26:08. > :26:12.quickly. He came before the committee in June and said he would

:26:13. > :26:19.sort it. We are discussing this in October. As Richard said, no

:26:20. > :26:21.progress has been made. As Mark said, he has not heard anything. Is

:26:22. > :26:26.that reflective of somebody who wants to sort this? He needs to get

:26:27. > :26:29.his cheque-book out. Is it possible he could be really hacked off with

:26:30. > :26:37.the way British politicians have insulted him? Boo-hoo. He is meant

:26:38. > :26:42.to be bigger than that, a professional businessman. There is

:26:43. > :26:46.important, Richard is spot-on, and doing the right thing for mark and

:26:47. > :26:52.tens of thousands of others like Mark is the right thing we want to

:26:53. > :26:55.see business people do. You might be provoking him into not doing the

:26:56. > :26:58.right thing in having a pointless vote on whether he should be

:26:59. > :27:06.stripped of his knighthood. I use the word pointless advisedly. The

:27:07. > :27:10.have no power to strip him of his knighthood. This is symbolic. This

:27:11. > :27:14.is the first time I think about whether Parliament had a few about

:27:15. > :27:20.whether someone should lose their knighthood. Having a knighthood

:27:21. > :27:26.should mean you act honourably and I do not think it is pointless that

:27:27. > :27:29.parliament, the opinion of the people'srepresentatives are that Sir

:27:30. > :27:33.Philip Green is not acting honourably and with the evidence of

:27:34. > :27:38.our report into British home stores, it says he should no longer be

:27:39. > :27:43.continue to be called Sir fourth services to retail which he got the

:27:44. > :27:47.knighthood for. I think the manner in which BHS was sold and managed

:27:48. > :27:52.and ultimately led to thousands of jobs being lost and pensioners

:27:53. > :27:59.losing out on entitlements, I think that has been dishonourable. And to

:28:00. > :28:03.use polymer's right to discuss matters of public opinion and say, I

:28:04. > :28:08.am not going to have progress, and Mark will miss out because of that,

:28:09. > :28:12.I think is disgraceful. I would like to think, despite evidence to the

:28:13. > :28:16.contrary, that Sir Philip Green is better than that. He should be

:28:17. > :28:24.taking into account the views and wishes of Mark Rather than trying to

:28:25. > :28:28.play games with Parliament. Why couldn't you have offered this

:28:29. > :28:32.before? The company could be saved. If he is happy to raise hundreds of

:28:33. > :28:37.millions of pounds, why was it not done before the collapse of BHS? If

:28:38. > :28:42.that happened, jobs could have been saved and there could be stores on

:28:43. > :28:51.the high street now. As I understand it, the only way he can be stripped

:28:52. > :28:58.of his knighthood is if your boss Theresa May makes a recommendation

:28:59. > :29:10.to the onerous forfeiture committee. It is the other way round, the

:29:11. > :29:20.committee -- the ons onerous forfeiture committee. Parliament do

:29:21. > :29:25.not want people to be subject to a mob and talented. I do not think

:29:26. > :29:29.that is the case here. This I think is Parliament expressing a view to

:29:30. > :29:34.the committee and they will look at Sir Philip Green in around and we

:29:35. > :29:37.are giving our view on his performance on British home stores

:29:38. > :29:44.which in my view he should not be called Sir Philip Green. Thanks for

:29:45. > :29:48.coming on the programme. And to Mark, who worked for BHS for ten

:29:49. > :29:55.years and is worried about his pension. Coming up, space scientists

:29:56. > :30:00.have given an update on the red planet probe landing. Did it land?

:30:01. > :30:07.We speak to the president of the Mars Society. And also, an RAF

:30:08. > :30:12.gunner has not been seen for almost a month after a Friday night out.

:30:13. > :30:14.His mother tells us she believes somebody knows something about the

:30:15. > :30:23.events surrounding her son's disappearance. Nobody can just

:30:24. > :30:32.disappear. I know that. We are doing letter drops. The public of England,

:30:33. > :30:37.it is everywhere, getting behind a page we have got. We have 30,000

:30:38. > :30:43.people following it and desperate to help, but nothing, not one person

:30:44. > :30:53.can give us anything and that does not make sense.

:30:54. > :31:01.Time for the headlines. Donald Trump has refused to say whether he will

:31:02. > :31:03.accept the result of the US presidential election in three

:31:04. > :31:07.weeks. During the final debate with rival Hillary Clinton, the pair

:31:08. > :31:13.clashed over relations with Russia, gun control and abortion rights. Mr

:31:14. > :31:17.Trump repeated his claim that the election was rigged. I will tell you

:31:18. > :31:23.at the time. I'll keep you in suspense. I for 1am appalled that

:31:24. > :31:29.somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take

:31:30. > :31:32.that kind of position. The mother of an RAF serviceman who went missing

:31:33. > :31:37.more than three weeks ago says she believes her son is still alive.

:31:38. > :31:40.23-year-old Corrie McKeague vanished after a night out in Bury St Edmunds

:31:41. > :31:45.early in the morning of September the 24th. His mother has told this

:31:46. > :31:51.programme that nobody can just disappear.

:31:52. > :31:54.A serious case review into the death of a baby girl and a dog attack says

:31:55. > :31:57.police should have taken stronger action after a complaint about the

:31:58. > :32:01.animal by a vet. Mother and grandmother of six-month-old Molly

:32:02. > :32:05.Mae Rob Spring admitted being in charge of a dangerously out of

:32:06. > :32:08.control dog last month. The report also said health care and other

:32:09. > :32:13.professionals were too ready to believe the child's mother and did

:32:14. > :32:17.not ask about the dog. Molly Mae was killed at her home in

:32:18. > :32:21.Northamptonshire in 2014. Thousands of Post Office workers are to strike

:32:22. > :32:25.in a dispute over jobs, pensions and branch closures. Members of the

:32:26. > :32:29.Communications workers union will walk out on October the 31st. It

:32:30. > :32:31.will be the second strike by staff, and the union has not ruled out

:32:32. > :32:37.further action in the run-up to Christmas. That's the latest news.

:32:38. > :32:41.Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock.

:32:42. > :32:49.Thank you very much. Some more e-mails from you, talking about the

:32:50. > :32:53.pardon being offered to gay men who were effectively criminalised for

:32:54. > :32:56.being gay men. Racers, I was a good-looking 20-year-old copping

:32:57. > :33:00.decades gone by and was regularly sent out in plain clothes in

:33:01. > :33:06.cruising areas to entice gay men into carrying out acts and then

:33:07. > :33:10.arrest them. I was gay. But the message that was sent was how wrong

:33:11. > :33:16.being gay was. It kept me in the closet until I was 44. I eventually

:33:17. > :33:21.came out at that age and now live retired in Brighton. Irene says it

:33:22. > :33:25.was so moving listening to George Montagu, and says she completely

:33:26. > :33:28.agrees that a pardon is an insult, and compounds the supposedly

:33:29. > :33:34.wrongdoing. Yes, an apology is appropriate. And Anthony agrees,

:33:35. > :33:37.there was no crime, so the pardon doesn't count. Time for all the

:33:38. > :33:44.latest sport with Ollie. These the headlines this morning

:33:45. > :33:46.Manchester City lost 4-0 to Barcelona in the Champions

:33:47. > :33:48.League. Lionel Messi scored

:33:49. > :33:52.a hatrick at the Nou Camp. In the same group, Celtic lost

:33:53. > :33:54.2-0 at home to Borussia Mistakes from Kolo Toure

:33:55. > :33:59.leading to both goals. Brendan Rodgers' side now sit

:34:00. > :34:01.bottom of that table. They made easy work of Bulgarian

:34:02. > :34:04.side Ludogorets winning Mesut Ozil with his first career

:34:05. > :34:14.hat-trick. And a half century from Moeen Ali

:34:15. > :34:16.has rescued England against Bangladesh on the first day

:34:17. > :34:23.of their first Test in Chittagong. But he has just fallen for 68. Jonny

:34:24. > :34:26.Bairstow is going strong, approaching his 50. And that is all

:34:27. > :34:31.your sport this morning. There's still mystery surrounding

:34:32. > :34:39.the fate of the Schiaparelli robot - scientists lost contact with it just

:34:40. > :34:48.before it was due to land Here is the European Space Agency

:34:49. > :34:52.official answering questions from David Shukman. What is the

:34:53. > :35:07.likelihood that the land is in one piece? We don't know. Andrea said

:35:08. > :35:12.that we have a lot of data, and... ? I think it is very difficult to say

:35:13. > :35:17.the likelihood now. We are not in a position to say this now because we

:35:18. > :35:20.don't have any data, so we are still processing the data of the descent.

:35:21. > :35:22.From the surface we have no data at all.

:35:23. > :35:25.The President of the Mars Society in the UK, Jerry Stone, joins me

:35:26. > :35:48.It is a tale of two halves. The orbiter is in perfect orbit and can

:35:49. > :35:53.carry out its science programme and will be in a position to relay data

:35:54. > :35:59.from the Mars rover that the ESA still plans to send to Mars in 2020.

:36:00. > :36:06.But for the lander, we don't seem to have confirmation that it has landed

:36:07. > :36:12.successfully, and they received some data. We know that the heat shield

:36:13. > :36:17.worked correctly, we know that the parachutes worked correctly, but

:36:18. > :36:23.once the parachute was released on the rocket engines fired, they only

:36:24. > :36:28.receive data for just a few seconds, and at the moment we don't know

:36:29. > :36:36.precisely what has happened. At the suspicion is it smashed into Mars.

:36:37. > :36:41.That is what a lot of people are thinking. We don't know whether the

:36:42. > :36:44.engines failed or whether the failure was purely in the

:36:45. > :36:54.communications, and it continued its descent. At the moment we still have

:36:55. > :37:01.to wait, and they will continue to analyse the data that they have, and

:37:02. > :37:05.there are two craft in orbit around Mars, Mars express, the European

:37:06. > :37:10.craft, and the Mars reconnaissance orbiter. And as they continue to

:37:11. > :37:15.pass over the landing site on future orbits, they will continue to try

:37:16. > :37:21.and make contact with the lander. But as you say, quite rightly,

:37:22. > :37:29.pointing out, the trace gas orbiter is still there, that has been a

:37:30. > :37:34.success. What will that be doing? As the name suggests, that is going to

:37:35. > :37:38.be analysing the atmosphere of Mars. And sending back information,

:37:39. > :37:47.particularly one thing we are looking for is traces of methane. On

:37:48. > :37:54.Earth, major sources of methane are volcanoes and cows. On Mars, the

:37:55. > :37:59.volcanoes are all extinct, which is a shame, because they would look

:38:00. > :38:02.spectacular if they were still active, and we have yet to detect

:38:03. > :38:08.herds galloping across the plains, so cows are out. But another

:38:09. > :38:13.possibility is that this is actually some form of chemical action, and

:38:14. > :38:20.methane is being built up within the rocks. And the reason that we detect

:38:21. > :38:26.it periodically could be that it is an interaction of the rocks and

:38:27. > :38:34.warming of the planet as it goes around the sun that is causing water

:38:35. > :38:39.flow is, or I is being crushed beneath the surface, and seeing some

:38:40. > :38:45.reaction which is allowing the methane to escape. Thank you very

:38:46. > :38:53.much, Jerry. The president of the Mars society. This just in from

:38:54. > :38:56.Norman out whether -- at Westminster. He said MPs are backing

:38:57. > :39:00.a motion to strips Philip Breedlove his knighthood. It is the first time

:39:01. > :39:05.MPs have taken such a step to try to remove a knighthood from a member of

:39:06. > :39:10.the public. 115 MPs now backing the motion.

:39:11. > :39:14.How is it possible for an RAF serviceman to disappear and it

:39:15. > :39:18.received barely any news coverage? On 23 September, Corrie McKeague,

:39:19. > :39:20.a young RAF gunner was enjoying a Friday night out

:39:21. > :39:22.with his colleagues. He hit the town in Bury St Edmunds

:39:23. > :39:26.at the end of his weekly duties and was in high spirits

:39:27. > :39:28.when he joined his friends The young serviceman left well

:39:29. > :39:33.before closing time, He had had a couple of drinks and he

:39:34. > :39:40.headed for something to eat. But despite saying to friends

:39:41. > :39:43.that he planned to walk the nine miles back to his RAF base,

:39:44. > :39:45.Corrie never turned up. He was seen on CCTV in the early

:39:46. > :39:48.hours and his last phone signal was recorded at 4am,

:39:49. > :39:50.yet his whereabouts remain Extensive land and air searches have

:39:51. > :39:54.found no trace of the serviceman but his family believe someone

:39:55. > :39:56.will have information that In their first national interview

:39:57. > :40:01.I spoke to Corrie's mum Nicola On Friday the 24th, sorry,

:40:02. > :40:12.the 23rd of September, Corrie went out with his friends

:40:13. > :40:16.from 2 Squadron from RAF Honington. They had just gone out for a night

:40:17. > :40:21.out, it wasn't an occasion. Just after one o'clock,

:40:22. > :40:24.Corrie had left a nightclub called Flex and he is seen on CCTV,

:40:25. > :40:38.he left on his own. He walked along to a local takeaway

:40:39. > :40:41.shop and got himself a takeaway. When he was in the takeaway,

:40:42. > :40:44.he was in a good mood, he was playing rock paper scissors

:40:45. > :40:47.with a man that he didn't know He took his takeaway

:40:48. > :40:50.out and there is CCTV That is Corrie when he's

:40:51. > :40:58.got his takeaway and he's walking down to somewhere where he could sit

:40:59. > :41:04.and eat his takeaway. He set down in a shop doorway,

:41:05. > :41:07.I think it is called Hughes, He has then fallen asleep for two

:41:08. > :41:14.hours, or just about two hours, He then wakes up, he had been

:41:15. > :41:23.talking to his brother on the phone and a couple of other friends

:41:24. > :41:26.as well, just before he had One of his friends, he had asked

:41:27. > :41:31.for a photograph, it was just When he woke up at three o'clock,

:41:32. > :41:38.about three o'clock, he then forwarded that photo

:41:39. > :41:43.onto another friend. So to me it shows that he was

:41:44. > :41:51.aware of time and place. He has then walked just a few yards,

:41:52. > :41:58.you can see him on CCTV. He has had a drink but he has just

:41:59. > :42:03.slept for two hours. He then walks down the street

:42:04. > :42:06.and it is in an area called Brentgovel Street,

:42:07. > :42:11.it's behind shops. It's a dead end, it doesn't go

:42:12. > :42:15.anywhere, it's the back of the shops where their deliveries,

:42:16. > :42:16.effectively in what is You can see him absolutely clearly

:42:17. > :42:26.walk in there at 3:24am and you never see him

:42:27. > :42:30.come back out again. The police have got so much CCTV,

:42:31. > :42:33.they have still not been able to watch it all,

:42:34. > :42:38.there is so much. But Corrie has not done

:42:39. > :42:40.anything wrong, he is not trying to evade CCTV,

:42:41. > :42:43.you can see him walking So it doesn't make sense that

:42:44. > :42:48.you don't see him They have widened the perimeter

:42:49. > :42:57.to look further out, just in case, because it is on a time-lapse

:42:58. > :42:59.so there is an opportunity that They have widened it and got private

:43:00. > :43:08.CCTV as well as council CCTV and not He is wearing a pink

:43:09. > :43:16.shirt and white trousers. Even though it is three or four

:43:17. > :43:19.o'clock in the morning, Tony, what are the possible

:43:20. > :43:23.explanations as far I think before I mention

:43:24. > :43:29.what they are, I think one of the immediately reported

:43:30. > :43:34.possibilities was linked to an incident that had happened

:43:35. > :43:37.a couple of weeks prior about 20 miles north at another base,

:43:38. > :43:40.an RAF base near Marham where there was an attempted

:43:41. > :43:43.abduction, linked to terrorism, of That is obviously still

:43:44. > :43:53.an active inquiry. Obviously there was immediately

:43:54. > :43:55.speculation that this The police assessment

:43:56. > :44:02.is that this is not Now I have a background

:44:03. > :44:10.in counterterrorism. I concur with that,

:44:11. > :44:12.but that's only on one single item of evidence,

:44:13. > :44:15.or lack of, which is the fact that And typically a terrorist

:44:16. > :44:27.organisation seeks publicity. So that is the only reason why that

:44:28. > :44:31.has been discounted as an option but clearly we must consider

:44:32. > :44:33.all possibilities. That aside, I think it leaves us

:44:34. > :44:35.three possibilities. One is that Corrie has

:44:36. > :44:37.disappeared through choice. Another is that Corrie has

:44:38. > :44:39.disappeared against his will. And the third one obviously is one

:44:40. > :44:42.we don't want to contemplate, but there is the possibility that,

:44:43. > :44:47.through whatever means, he's dead. And if you look at those

:44:48. > :44:52.three possibilities, the one of disappearance by choice,

:44:53. > :44:55.again, the way we have used the evidence to dismiss or reduce

:44:56. > :44:58.the probability of terrorism involvement, we would use that same

:44:59. > :45:02.logic to really dismiss the likelihood of him

:45:03. > :45:06.going through choice. There is no preparatory evidence

:45:07. > :45:10.of him being ready to depart, The time of the month he has gone

:45:11. > :45:17.doesn't make sense, There is no obvious motivating

:45:18. > :45:26.factor that would make him suddenly decide to disappear,

:45:27. > :45:41.which only then leaves us those That leaves us the two remaining

:45:42. > :45:45.options, if he's got into a vehicle, which could happen. Police have

:45:46. > :45:48.looked at rotation cycles and it is possible a vehicle could have

:45:49. > :45:54.skewered his exit from where he was but it would have taken the vehicle

:45:55. > :46:01.and probably for him to be in it, but we do not know that's a certain,

:46:02. > :46:06.it is one of those open items. And the appeal is, if you gave him a

:46:07. > :46:11.lift for whatever reason, obviously you are now seeing the media, we

:46:12. > :46:15.need to know. We need to know where you might have taken him. Third

:46:16. > :46:23.option is something the police are working on now, which is the search

:46:24. > :46:29.activity in the local area. It is a rural setting and a significant

:46:30. > :46:40.perimeter. They are limited resources and I think with India by

:46:41. > :46:51.Garrison at Aldershot we have expert resources we can bring to bear to

:46:52. > :46:57.start covering that wide area. Do you think he got into that vehicle?

:46:58. > :47:01.If you were talking about my other sons, they would be more risk

:47:02. > :47:10.averse. They would think something like that through and they wouldn't

:47:11. > :47:14.do it but with Corrie, he would make an informed choice. With Corrie, if

:47:15. > :47:18.he saw somebody walking down the road and was in his car he would

:47:19. > :47:26.stop and give that complete stranger a lift. Whereas the other boys, you

:47:27. > :47:36.would think no, I do not know where that is.

:47:37. > :47:39.When was the last time his mobile was used?

:47:40. > :47:41.His mobile phone was used at eight minutes past three

:47:42. > :47:49.That was the last time he physically used it.

:47:50. > :47:54.It was part of an earlier conversation.

:47:55. > :47:57.The way that, Tony would be able to explain it far

:47:58. > :48:01.better than I could, but the way that they have

:48:02. > :48:03.triangulated his phone it's from Facebook updating or other

:48:04. > :48:11.apps updating as opposed to him actually using it.

:48:12. > :48:15.And they know that it has left the area Corrie was seen

:48:16. > :48:18.going into and they know that it has taken 28 minutes to get

:48:19. > :48:20.from there to an area called Barton Mills,

:48:21. > :48:26.That is how long it would take to drive.

:48:27. > :48:30.So they know that it's not the case that he's walked.

:48:31. > :48:37.When it's got to the Barton Mills area, it could have turned itself

:48:38. > :48:45.There are so many reasons why it could have just stopped working

:48:46. > :48:52.and it has never been picked up by another antenna anywhere.

:48:53. > :48:55.It could have gone further than that area, but that is the last area

:48:56. > :49:00.Is it your belief that he is still alive?

:49:01. > :49:12.Honestly, so many people have asked me that question and absolutely,

:49:13. > :49:16.the thought that he is going to come back in weeks saying,

:49:17. > :49:19.you will not believe what has just happened to me,

:49:20. > :49:22.But you need people to come forward.

:49:23. > :49:36.I know that, I know that as a police officer, I know that you just

:49:37. > :49:41.don't have any evidence and there is nothing.

:49:42. > :49:49.So, you know, we are doing letter drops, the public of England,

:49:50. > :49:52.it is everywhere, getting behind a page we have got.

:49:53. > :49:55.We have got 30,000 people following it and desperate to help

:49:56. > :49:59.and they are helping us deliver leaflets and Corrie's face

:50:00. > :50:03.is everywhere in Bury and the surrounding area.

:50:04. > :50:09.But nothing, not one person can give us anything.

:50:10. > :50:13.Hopefully appeals like this will help.

:50:14. > :50:22.Thank you very much for talking to us.

:50:23. > :50:32.If you have any information which might be relevant,

:50:33. > :50:50.please call the police incident room on 01473 782019.

:50:51. > :50:53.That number can also be found on our website.

:50:54. > :50:59.A couple of weeks ago on the programme we looked

:51:00. > :51:01.at the injuries that some women sustain during

:51:02. > :51:04.childbirth, and we had a huge response from you.

:51:05. > :51:07.Up to 85% of women have some sort of tear during their

:51:08. > :51:09.first birth - though the most severe tears only

:51:10. > :51:17.Here's a reminder of the film we made with Debbie,

:51:18. > :51:22.I must warn you, the injuries she describes are graphic.

:51:23. > :51:28.This lasts just over a minute. She was fitted with a colostomy bag

:51:29. > :51:31.after suffering a severe tear after giving birth to her son.

:51:32. > :51:33.I tore, basically, from front to back.

:51:34. > :51:36.There is a small area between your back passage and vagina

:51:37. > :51:43.and that was quite badly torn all the way through.

:51:44. > :51:47.So yes, I went for emergency surgery to try and repair that when we got

:51:48. > :51:50.to emergency surgery it seems it has cut into my bowel.

:51:51. > :51:52.Surgeons repaired the tear but Debbie was left with a small

:51:53. > :51:59.hole between the wall of her vagina and her bowel.

:52:00. > :52:01.I was passing wind uncontrollably through the vagina and every time

:52:02. > :52:03.I went to the toilet, there would be faeces

:52:04. > :52:09.I was constantly in the bath, constantly washing, causing

:52:10. > :52:13.A number of attempts were made to repair it,

:52:14. > :52:19.So Debbie was fitted with a colostomy bag.

:52:20. > :52:36.to take spare clothes, scan the place for the nearest toilet.

:52:37. > :52:38.For example, I was shopping in Asda, standing in

:52:39. > :52:42.And the bag came apart from the side and I could feel it leaking

:52:43. > :52:49.I had to kind of run and drag Kaden him kicking and screaming

:52:50. > :52:52.behind me because he did not understand the urgency.

:52:53. > :52:54.That has happened when I took him to school, it's happened

:52:55. > :52:57.when I've been at work, so yeah, it affects

:52:58. > :53:05.Loads of you got in touch to share your stories,

:53:06. > :53:08.one was Donna, who was due to give birth any time, her first

:53:09. > :53:13.birth since she'd had a serious third degree tear.

:53:14. > :53:22.It is always niggling in the back of your head and quite often comes

:53:23. > :53:26.think about, is that going to happen again?

:53:27. > :53:30.And what impact has having that third degree tear had on you?

:53:31. > :53:33.I've not had lasting effects, but it did ruin the first couple of months

:53:34. > :53:38.I didn't know why and still don't know why.

:53:39. > :53:44.But just to be able to have that support, you

:53:45. > :53:46.can talk to somebody, it's very often not the case, is not

:53:47. > :53:56.Will you let us know what happens and how you get on?

:53:57. > :54:03.Can you come back and surprise us when

:54:04. > :54:10.Cheers, Donna, all the best, lots of love.

:54:11. > :54:21.And here she is to surprise us. Congratulations. Is that a little

:54:22. > :54:26.boy? It is a little boy. What have you called him? He has not got a

:54:27. > :54:35.name yet. My gosh, can the viewers help you decide? If they like! OK.

:54:36. > :54:44.How did the birth go? It was all right, it was very, very quick. It

:54:45. > :54:55.was all going well. It happened really quickly. How long did Labour

:54:56. > :55:02.last four? Less than three hours. But the main thing was, everything

:55:03. > :55:07.went well in terms of your health, no tearing, etc? I had secondary

:55:08. > :55:15.terror ring but compared to the first it was absolutely fine. I had

:55:16. > :55:24.stitches. But not comparable, really. So yes, all going really

:55:25. > :55:28.well. When was he born? He was born on the 12th. How come you have not

:55:29. > :55:35.got a name for him yet? It is difficult. I thought once he came

:55:36. > :55:45.out we would have a little look and yes, that name, but,... And with

:55:46. > :55:50.having another one, we are not getting as much time to see what we

:55:51. > :56:00.think. What is it between, do you have two names that are favourites?

:56:01. > :56:06.We have three. Yes. We have had lots of suggestions. I think we will get

:56:07. > :56:12.there very soon. People are like, you have to give him a name! When

:56:13. > :56:17.you have decided, will you let is no again, please? Yes. Many

:56:18. > :56:23.congratulations. Take care and thanks for coming back. So many

:56:24. > :56:28.comments on the interview with George Montagu. Earlier we heard how

:56:29. > :56:34.the government is keeping a promise to pardon thousands of gay and

:56:35. > :56:41.bisexual men, who, like George and Alan Turing, were convicted of now

:56:42. > :56:45.abolished sexual offences. George is 93 and a former World War II

:56:46. > :56:58.veteran. He was arrested back in the 1970s. Well, it was horrendous. What

:56:59. > :57:07.you have to do -- had to do, was what I did. You become a bit of an

:57:08. > :57:12.actor and you are very careful and you do not let anybody see or know

:57:13. > :57:18.anything, and all you do is meet other people who are like yourself.

:57:19. > :57:25.The only place you could do that in a small country towns or villages,

:57:26. > :57:31.with no internet, nothing, and if you did not meet someone and

:57:32. > :57:37.discover you were not the only one, you would probably go mad. So what

:57:38. > :57:44.we did, we used to meet in the local what I call, refusing to call it a

:57:45. > :57:52.public toilet, that sounds bad, the gents side of the gents' toilet.

:57:53. > :57:56.There are only men in there. Very occasionally, if you were lonely and

:57:57. > :58:01.upset, you just went along and you often did not do anything at all,

:58:02. > :58:06.but you could, with your eyes you could see someone and you could talk

:58:07. > :58:11.to them with your eyes without anybody knowing anything. George

:58:12. > :58:17.will not be accepting the pardon. He says he wants an apology. Martin

:58:18. > :58:21.said, George Montagu is right, it is a political point scoring exercise

:58:22. > :58:30.by the government. Trying to get the LGBT community to vote for them. How

:58:31. > :58:31.can they be pardoned when they were not guilty in