22/11/2016

:00:08. > :00:11.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:12. > :00:14.This morning, we reveal that thousands of people with incurable

:00:15. > :00:19.and degenerative conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia

:00:20. > :00:22.are being told that some of their personal-independence

:00:23. > :00:25.payments are being stopped, because they're deemed

:00:26. > :00:31.It just makes you feel so demoralised.

:00:32. > :00:38.I instantly knew the system is simply broken, because how can

:00:39. > :00:45.they tell me I'm better than I was, when I've deteriorated?

:00:46. > :00:49.We'll bring you the full exclusive story throughout the programme.

:00:50. > :00:52.And if you've been affected, do get in touch.

:00:53. > :00:55.Should patients have to show their passports to get

:00:56. > :00:58.non-emergency treatment on the NHS in order to crack down

:00:59. > :01:02.We'll hear the arguments for and against.

:01:03. > :01:04.And, last week we spoke to former professional

:01:05. > :01:08.footballer Andy Woodward in his first broadcast interview.

:01:09. > :01:11.He told us about the abuse he suffered for years at the hand

:01:12. > :01:19.The impact it's had on my life is just catastrophic,

:01:20. > :01:24.and you live with that all your life, and you can't put it

:01:25. > :01:33.Since that interview, he's been contacted by other footballers

:01:34. > :01:54.Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:01:55. > :01:58.In around half an hour we're expecting to find out how much more

:01:59. > :02:03.And in around 15 minutes, this man, legendary BBC

:02:04. > :02:06.journalist John Simpson, who's here to answer your questions

:02:07. > :02:11.Plus, he'll tell us about his near-death experiences.

:02:12. > :02:15.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

:02:16. > :02:19.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:02:20. > :02:22.Our top story today is that the NHS is looking at whether patients

:02:23. > :02:26.across England should have to produce two forms of ID before

:02:27. > :02:32.Its most-senior official says it is considering identity checks

:02:33. > :02:35.in an effort to tackle the rise in so-called health tourism,

:02:36. > :02:43.when foreigners come to the UK to receive free medical treatment.

:02:44. > :02:47.The NHS is aiming to claim back ?500 million a year

:02:48. > :02:51.The money recovered has risen in the past few

:02:52. > :02:55.years but is still more than ?200 million short.

:02:56. > :02:58.Yesterday, MPs on the Public Accounts Committee challenged health

:02:59. > :03:02.bosses about what they were doing to improve the situation.

:03:03. > :03:05.The Department of Health's most senior civil servant,

:03:06. > :03:08.Chris Wormald, told them there were lots of possible ideas,

:03:09. > :03:12.including requiring patients to produce ID.

:03:13. > :03:17.Are we looking at whether trusts should proactively ask

:03:18. > :03:23.There are individual trusts, like Peterborough, who are doing

:03:24. > :03:25.that and are reporting it makes a big difference,

:03:26. > :03:28.and there you are saying, "Please come with two

:03:29. > :03:30.forms of identity - passport, address," and they use

:03:31. > :03:37.that to check whether people are eligible or not.

:03:38. > :03:39.Mr Wormald acknowledged it was controversial,

:03:40. > :03:42.but said it appeared to be making a big difference,

:03:43. > :03:45.and was the kind of thing the Government wanted to look at.

:03:46. > :03:48.He said it was unlikely that all trusts would introduce measures

:03:49. > :03:51.like this, it would depend on their populations.

:03:52. > :03:57.A consultation on the issue is under way.

:03:58. > :04:01.Our political guru Norman Smith is here.

:04:02. > :04:03.Would the Government really press ahead with getting NHS patients

:04:04. > :04:09.to produce passports and utility bills before they can get treated?

:04:10. > :04:13.It is already happening, if you go to Tooting and what to do maternity

:04:14. > :04:18.services, you will have to produce your passport, and you will also

:04:19. > :04:22.have to have some other proof of address, maybe a utility bill or

:04:23. > :04:27.something like that, before you can take advantage of the services,

:04:28. > :04:30.because of concern about so-called maternity tourism. It is part of the

:04:31. > :04:35.broader concern about people from outside the UK coming here to take

:04:36. > :04:39.advantage of the NHS, because if you come from elsewhere in the EU, you

:04:40. > :04:42.are supposed to say so the Department of Health can build the

:04:43. > :04:46.other EU country, and if you come from outside the EU, you are

:04:47. > :04:51.supposed to pay yourself. It is estimated that the price of

:04:52. > :04:59.so-called health tourism could be up to ?2 billion a year. At the moment,

:05:00. > :05:02.the NHS is apparently only clawing back 300 million. There is a huge

:05:03. > :05:05.amount of money which the Government thinks they could claw back. But

:05:06. > :05:12.that said there is a considerable amount of disquiet amongst doctors

:05:13. > :05:15.in particular, who say, we are not immigration officials or

:05:16. > :05:19.accountants, we are here to treat people. There is also a view that

:05:20. > :05:24.many British citizens might struggle to get the necessary ID, because

:05:25. > :05:28.only 70% of people have a passport, so it could be a huge hassle for

:05:29. > :05:32.people who do live here. Then there are questions about the culture of

:05:33. > :05:33.the NHS, do we really want to impose these conditions before people

:05:34. > :05:35.receive treatment? Another story this morning,

:05:36. > :05:37.Donald Trump's said Nigel Farage would make a good ambassador

:05:38. > :05:47.to the US. The Downing Street point of view is

:05:48. > :05:51.absolutely not. They reacted with a stunned horror this morning at the

:05:52. > :05:58.very thought that Nigel Farage could become the ambassador to Washington.

:05:59. > :06:03.They have said in diplomatic speak that there is no vacancy, but

:06:04. > :06:06.talking to number ten people privately, they say categorically

:06:07. > :06:10.there will be no role for Nigel Farage, because if you think about

:06:11. > :06:16.it, it would be an incendiary move, it would cause a political outcry in

:06:17. > :06:21.the Tory party. Downing Street say, he is an opposition politician, he

:06:22. > :06:26.spends his time attacking the Conservatives, why would we want him

:06:27. > :06:29.in Washington? Theresa May the sort of politician who likes to good

:06:30. > :06:37.troll events, Nigel Farage is a complete lose Callan, they would not

:06:38. > :06:42.want him roaming around Washington. I spoke to him this morning, he

:06:43. > :06:47.says, if Donald Trump things I can do a job, I am very happy to do it,

:06:48. > :06:48.I would do anything I could to bolster ties between Britain and

:06:49. > :06:51.America. The BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:52. > :06:54.of the rest of the day's news. More than 50 flood warnings

:06:55. > :06:56.are in place across England and Wales, with more heavy rain

:06:57. > :06:59.forecast today in the South-west and north-west England

:07:00. > :07:03.and south Wales have been Network Rail is warning

:07:04. > :07:07.of disruption to train services. It says the main line to south-west

:07:08. > :07:14.England has been "severed". The heavy rain spread

:07:15. > :07:16.from the south-west Here in Stalybridge,

:07:17. > :07:22.to the east of Manchester, torrents gushed past cars as people

:07:23. > :07:28.tried to make their way home. Greater Manchester Fire

:07:29. > :07:34.and Rescue Service received 120 Elsewhere, the heavy rains

:07:35. > :07:41.caused localised flooding. Train services between London

:07:42. > :07:50.and Cardiff and the south-west were badly affected yesterday,

:07:51. > :07:53.and there could be further It's the same story across the north

:07:54. > :07:57.of England, where there were delays and cancellations

:07:58. > :08:01.between Manchester and Leeds. Train operators say some routes

:08:02. > :08:04.will remain closed until it's safe The weather is also

:08:05. > :08:10.hitting ferry services. 146 passengers and crew have been

:08:11. > :08:14.stuck overnight on this ferry It is expected to make a third

:08:15. > :08:18.attempt to dock at The Environment Agency is warning

:08:19. > :08:24.of more rain and further flooding before the rain

:08:25. > :08:31.eventually eases off tonight. The site of the Fukushima nuclear

:08:32. > :08:34.plant in Japan has been hit by a one-metre tsunami wave

:08:35. > :08:37.after a powerful earthquake off Officials say there is no sign

:08:38. > :08:41.of damage and the government has The facility was destroyed

:08:42. > :08:46.by an earthquake and The Turkish prime minister has said

:08:47. > :08:51.the government is withdrawing a controversial bill

:08:52. > :08:53.which would have allowed men who'd had sex with underage girls

:08:54. > :08:57.to have their convictions quashed The bill had sparked

:08:58. > :09:01.protests and had been met The parliament in Ankara had been

:09:02. > :09:06.due to vote on the bill later today, but critics said it would legitimise

:09:07. > :09:09.statutory rape and encourage Thousands of people with incurable

:09:10. > :09:16.conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia are being told

:09:17. > :09:19.by the Government that some of their benefits are being stopped

:09:20. > :09:23.because they're getting better. This programme has discovered

:09:24. > :09:25.that many applying for the mobility element

:09:26. > :09:28.of Personal Independence Payment are having their awards

:09:29. > :09:31.reduced, sometimes to zero. The Government says that more

:09:32. > :09:34.people overall are getting American researchers say

:09:35. > :09:39.the proportion of people in the US The number of plastic

:09:40. > :09:42.carrier bags found on UK beaches has dropped by 40%,

:09:43. > :09:44.according to conservationists. The Marine Conservation Society

:09:45. > :09:47.says its volunteers cleaned up an average of seven plastic bags

:09:48. > :09:49.for every 100 metres of coastline this year,

:09:50. > :09:53.down from 11 in 2015. It's attributed the fall

:09:54. > :09:55.to the introduction of the five-pence levy

:09:56. > :09:59.on plastic bags. According to reports in the US

:10:00. > :10:01.media, the rapper Kanye West has been hospitalised,

:10:02. > :10:04.suffering from exhaustion. The news comes after the musician

:10:05. > :10:07.abruptly cancelled the remainder of his live tour following a week

:10:08. > :10:12.of no-shows, curtailed concerts Well, a zoo in America is asking

:10:13. > :10:34.the public just that. They were born in September,

:10:35. > :10:37.and a name has to be decided by December 12th, in accordance

:10:38. > :10:41.with Chinese tradition. People can choose from seven

:10:42. > :10:42.pairs of proposed names That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:43. > :10:57.News, more at 9:30am. Do get in touch with us

:10:58. > :11:09.throughout the morning. This is to do with our exclusive

:11:10. > :11:14.story just after 9:30am, about some element of personal independence

:11:15. > :11:19.payment being taken away from people with degenerative and in curable

:11:20. > :11:22.conditions of. One person says, I don't understand what this

:11:23. > :11:27.Government is doing. It ain't says, the system has been ripped apart by

:11:28. > :11:31.a Government's attempts to privatise. Terry says, it is a

:11:32. > :11:37.disgusting situation, especially when decisions are being overturned

:11:38. > :11:41.on appeal all the time. 65% of original decisions are overturned on

:11:42. > :11:46.appeal. Kathy says, I see it everyday, I helped to run a benefit

:11:47. > :11:49.support group, we have members struggling, fighting to get what

:11:50. > :11:52.they are due. It is appalling discrimination.

:11:53. > :11:55.Let's get some sport, and we can join Hugh Woozencroft this morning.

:11:56. > :11:57.We'll start with the England managerial vacancy, are we any

:11:58. > :12:06.After a job interview there will be an anxious wait for Gareth Southgate

:12:07. > :12:11.to see if he does become the new England manager. He is in pole

:12:12. > :12:15.position, he had an interview lasted more than three hours with the FA

:12:16. > :12:19.yesterday, but there is not an announcement expected until next

:12:20. > :12:23.Wednesday. He was unbeaten during his four matches as interim manager,

:12:24. > :12:28.but the interview has prompted Chris Sutton to call it a slap in the face

:12:29. > :12:32.for Gareth Southgate. Adrian Bevington used to be an FA

:12:33. > :12:36.executive, he has said it made perfect sense to make the meeting

:12:37. > :12:41.public, and that it did not overcome locate the process. There is one

:12:42. > :12:45.thing that could compensate it, the sacking of Jurgen Klinnsmann as the

:12:46. > :12:49.USA head coach. It was reported in July that he was one of those who

:12:50. > :12:53.was interviewed as a potential successor to Roy Hodgson. He is

:12:54. > :12:57.likely to be in the running this time around as well. On petition for

:12:58. > :13:01.Gareth Southgate could be hotting up. There is no rush for the FA to

:13:02. > :13:04.name the next manager, England's next match is not until March.

:13:05. > :13:09.Staying with football, and it was good night for West Brom?

:13:10. > :13:17.One game in the Premier League last night, West Brom beat Burnley 4-0 at

:13:18. > :13:23.the hawthorns, thanks largely to a first half scoring blitz. Matt

:13:24. > :13:27.Phillips, James Morrison and Darren Fletcher put them 3-0 up at

:13:28. > :13:30.half-time, and Salomon Rondon rounded off the scoring in the

:13:31. > :13:34.second half. They move into the top of the table, with back-to-back

:13:35. > :13:41.victories. Good news for baggies fans. Take a look at this. Talk

:13:42. > :13:47.about wrong place, wrong time, one of the sound men at the Minnesota

:13:48. > :13:50.Vikings tried to get into the right place as the teams ran out,

:13:51. > :13:56.completely wiped out by their defensive lineman. Fortunately, he

:13:57. > :14:04.was OK afterwards. He could see the funny side. It almost was not a

:14:05. > :14:09.laughing matter. He is six foot four, 329 lbs. I am sure he had a

:14:10. > :14:15.headache the next day, he did well to get back from that smiling. That

:14:16. > :14:17.would hurt. More from you through the morning.

:14:18. > :14:19.Lots to come throughout the programme, but first,

:14:20. > :14:20.John Simpson is the BBC World Affairs Editor,

:14:21. > :14:24.His job has taken him to some of the most-dangerous

:14:25. > :14:27.He became the first journalist to interview the Taliban

:14:28. > :14:30.after dressing in a burqa to sneak into Afghanistan.

:14:31. > :14:34.He's been hunted by Robert Mugabe's forces in Zimbabwe and witnessed 46

:14:35. > :14:41.But despite having been blown up, bombed and injured, the 72-year-old

:14:42. > :14:43.says his most hair-raising experience was nearly dying

:14:44. > :14:47.Fortunately, he made a full recovery, and has released

:14:48. > :14:50.a new book all about the life of a foreign correspondent.

:14:51. > :14:52.He joins us, and if you've got a question for John

:14:53. > :15:03.It was the smoked haddock that nearly did for you. It was, and the

:15:04. > :15:08.next day I played a game of cricket, all day long, it was quite hot, hard

:15:09. > :15:14.to believe, the beginning of September, so I got a bit

:15:15. > :15:19.dehydrated, and apparently this interacted with pills I had been

:15:20. > :15:28.taking for years to cut down the sugar in my blood. I nearly died of

:15:29. > :15:31.kidney failure. I did not have to show my passport at the John

:15:32. > :15:44.Radcliffe Hospital. It is only for nonemergency. I think

:15:45. > :15:48.you were an emergency. When I got a little bit better I tried to say to

:15:49. > :15:53.them, I'm leaving all the money to a cat's home! They didn't think it was

:15:54. > :16:02.really very funny. I thought it was great! Two of the doctors said to me

:16:03. > :16:08.afterwards, they went home that night thinking he is a gonner and

:16:09. > :16:14.said that to their wives and families. I am a tough old character

:16:15. > :16:18.and I kind of, I just got over it. How many near death experiences have

:16:19. > :16:22.you had? Well, when I was in hospital I thought I better work it

:16:23. > :16:25.out in case anybody asked me that question. Nobody has, actually,

:16:26. > :16:36.you're the first, but I got the answer! Nine plus this. Nine of

:16:37. > :16:42.bombing, shooting, knives, once a knife. That kind of thing. This is

:16:43. > :16:51.death. This is not just kind of injury. But I think this was number

:16:52. > :16:57.two, if not the number one incident. Probably the number one incident was

:16:58. > :17:02.being bombed by the Americans in 2003 in Iraq. When your translator

:17:03. > :17:07.was killed? Yes. I was just back there last week actually and I went

:17:08. > :17:13.to see his family again. And that was painful, Victoria. I went, I had

:17:14. > :17:19.to break the news back in 2003 to her that her son had died. I had

:17:20. > :17:25.blood on my clothes. And going back there was quite hard too and not

:17:26. > :17:30.many dry eyes in the house when we were talking, but I have always felt

:17:31. > :17:37.a bit guilty. He only joined us because he had seen me on television

:17:38. > :17:43.and he thought that we would have adventures together and he was just

:17:44. > :17:48.24. He was just a kid. So I had to say to his mother could she find it

:17:49. > :17:52.in her heart to forgive me for taking him and getting him killed?

:17:53. > :17:59.It wasn't very easy, but she said yes. Did she? Yes. Goodness. When

:18:00. > :18:05.that incident happened, you carried on reporting, why? Well, it is what

:18:06. > :18:12.I exist to do. I mean, you know, it seems to me that that was of

:18:13. > :18:16.interest and in a way, quite important. I mean it showed

:18:17. > :18:20.something about the way the American forces operate which I thought

:18:21. > :18:24.people should really, really know about. Well, that actually, that

:18:25. > :18:28.phrase that people should know about that, that gets to the heart of what

:18:29. > :18:34.a foreign correspondent is which is what your book is about. How would

:18:35. > :18:40.you define the role of a foreign correspondent then? It's simply

:18:41. > :18:44.that. It's nothing more than opening things up to people in foreign

:18:45. > :18:50.countries and saying, "We think you might be interested in this. Or

:18:51. > :18:58.perhaps this is important for you to know about." Nothing more than that.

:18:59. > :19:07.It is a weird profession. It doesn't do very much for the home lives of

:19:08. > :19:10.the people that do it. But there are some fantastic characters who are

:19:11. > :19:15.and have been foreign correspondents. I just wanted this

:19:16. > :19:20.book to be a celebration of them, of some of them, you can't get

:19:21. > :19:26.everybody in. God knows I had to leave an awful lot of people out,

:19:27. > :19:33.but... Who would you draw out for our audience watching this morning?

:19:34. > :19:39.Murray Colvin the correspondent for the Sunday Times who died a couple

:19:40. > :19:46.of years ago. Deliberately bombed by the Syrian Army. And a wonderful

:19:47. > :19:51.girl, I suspect I was half in love with her for years and years and

:19:52. > :19:58.years and I saw her just a few, a couple of months, a few weeks before

:19:59. > :20:06.she was killed and she had already suffered an eye injury in Sri Lanka.

:20:07. > :20:12.She used to wear... There she is. Oh dear, Marie. She was a lovely girl.

:20:13. > :20:19.I was going on perhaps a little bit too seriously. Something we do we

:20:20. > :20:24.were talking at, both of us at the Chelsea Arts Club and she and I was

:20:25. > :20:29.getting a bit pompous probably, well it is not difficult for me, of

:20:30. > :20:34.course, about the way that you know the importance of foreign news and

:20:35. > :20:40.she just interrupted me and got this lovely New York accent and she said

:20:41. > :20:46.to me, "Ya, but we do have an awful lot of fun, John." I just was,

:20:47. > :20:52.perfect. That, of course, goes into the book. 50 years at the BBC this

:20:53. > :20:57.year, is that correct? It is. I've just passed the moment, yes. I'm

:20:58. > :21:03.just doing, in fact I went to see the mother of my translator for a

:21:04. > :21:07.Panorama that we're doing in early December about my weird 50th

:21:08. > :21:14.anniversary. It doesn't seem like it. I didn't look like David

:21:15. > :21:18.Attenborough. I looked different, but somehow we've grown together.

:21:19. > :21:22.Yes, but in that time, I'm sorry it is such an obvious question, but I

:21:23. > :21:27.want to know the answer, you've interviewed world leaders and

:21:28. > :21:32.reported on all major conflicts over the last few decades. You know, you

:21:33. > :21:37.were there when the wall came down in Berlin. What has had the most

:21:38. > :21:43.impact on you? Funnily enough, not a bad thing, but a really, wonderful

:21:44. > :21:49.thing and I still, I still get a bit of warmth from just thinking about

:21:50. > :21:55.it. I went to South Africa. I was the BBC correspondent in South

:21:56. > :22:02.Africa during the absolute heart of, the height of apartheid and you

:22:03. > :22:10.know, I knew how awful it was. And everybody assumed that the end of

:22:11. > :22:15.apartheid would bring civil war and bloodshed on a massive scale and I

:22:16. > :22:22.was there in 1994 when people were thinking that there was going to be

:22:23. > :22:26.bloodshed and there wasn't and there wasn't because each of a number of

:22:27. > :22:34.people, but five or six people decided to do the right thing

:22:35. > :22:41.instead of the selfish thing for their part of the community. They

:22:42. > :22:46.reached an agreement and we had an election where there wasn't a single

:22:47. > :22:53.crime committed in the entire country of South Africa which is not

:22:54. > :22:56.exactly crime-free on that day. I was quite close to Nelson Mandela at

:22:57. > :23:24.that time. I will never, I mean, watching the

:23:25. > :23:30.wall come down was wonderful. If your book you say the greatest

:23:31. > :23:38.exclusive story of the past 50 years came from first class reportage and

:23:39. > :23:40.it was Michael Burke's reporting of the famine in eth thopia, let's

:23:41. > :23:44.look: And as the sun breaks

:23:45. > :23:46.through the piercing chill of night on the plain outside Korem,

:23:47. > :23:49.it lights up a biblical famine - This place, say workers

:23:50. > :23:54.here, is the closest Thousands of wasted people

:23:55. > :24:00.are coming here for help. They flood in every day

:24:01. > :24:07.from villages hundreds of miles away, dulled by hunger,

:24:08. > :24:09.driven beyond the point 15,000 children here now,

:24:10. > :24:15.suffering, confused, lost. A child or an adult

:24:16. > :24:23.dies every 20 minutes. Korem, an insignificant town,

:24:24. > :24:46.has become a place of grief. Explain why you think that had such

:24:47. > :24:50.an impact. Partly the pictures shot by a friend of mine who was later

:24:51. > :24:57.killed. Partly, but mostly, I think, the words, the way that Michael

:24:58. > :25:01.allowed the pictures to just come through and not kind of dictate to

:25:02. > :25:08.you what you should think about this. No emotion there. None of that

:25:09. > :25:16.quite intrusive business about how you feel. I mean, I always think who

:25:17. > :25:19.cares how I feel, you know? And Michael clearly thought the same,

:25:20. > :25:25.who cares about my reactions, it is all about what is happening in front

:25:26. > :25:32.of our eyes. He just was, I say was in the past tense because he doesn't

:25:33. > :25:35.do, he is not a foreign correspondent, he was an absolute

:25:36. > :25:43.master of words and they're words that stick in the mind and lesser

:25:44. > :25:49.people of whom I'm no doubt one, would copy some of the techniques

:25:50. > :25:55.that he used and all to the good, you know. All to the good. There are

:25:56. > :25:59.people watching who are perhaps too young to remember that reporting led

:26:00. > :26:07.to people raising hundreds of millions of pounds for the victims

:26:08. > :26:13.of the famine. Do you see parallels with Yemen, with what is happening

:26:14. > :26:18.in Yemen and if not, why? Well, there are parallels with Yemen, yes,

:26:19. > :26:24.but you know, Yemen is not the only place where people are hungry. It is

:26:25. > :26:29.that ability that Michael had to shine a light on something. It is

:26:30. > :26:35.very difficult to get to Yemen. Believe me, I've tried. And I

:26:36. > :26:39.haven't yet succeeded. I hope I do, but there is not only a civil war

:26:40. > :26:45.going on there, but Isis in a different form is there. It's

:26:46. > :26:53.extraordinarily dangerous to cover it. And so far, although it has some

:26:54. > :26:57.brave people have managed to get there and show us, we haven't had

:26:58. > :27:03.that sort of, that kind of Michael Burke moment somehow. Yes. Some of

:27:04. > :27:07.these images from Yemen are unbelievably distressing, but I

:27:08. > :27:10.wonder if you think we get used to seeing these images because we can

:27:11. > :27:15.get them anywhere on the internet now, can't we? That's always a

:27:16. > :27:26.danger. It was a danger back in the 80s when Michael went to, Ethiopia.

:27:27. > :27:30.That was when the phrase, "Compassion fatigue" Was invented

:27:31. > :27:39.because afterwards people got kind of tired of being faced with sick

:27:40. > :27:43.and starving people. I'm not a great sympathiser with compassion fatigue

:27:44. > :27:47.actually, but nevertheless it is a fact and people sort of moved, you

:27:48. > :27:55.know, wanted to move on and do other things. I do think it says something

:27:56. > :28:01.about our society and about the way that ordinary people behave, but on

:28:02. > :28:06.the other hand, so did that extraordinary outflowing of sympathy

:28:07. > :28:10.and generosity. You mentioned that you were in Mosul, you have been in

:28:11. > :28:18.Mosul recently... Well, I was outside Mosul. You were outside? The

:28:19. > :28:23.BBC fore bade me to go within 20 kilometres of the centre of Mosul.

:28:24. > :28:28.Why? Because I had been ill and they didn't want me to. I would have been

:28:29. > :28:29.fine, but I probably might not have survived the experience if I had

:28:30. > :28:33.driven in there anyway. Fair I want to ask you about

:28:34. > :28:36.what you think Fair the future Before I do, let's a play a clip

:28:37. > :28:40.from the BBC's foreign correspondent Quentin Somerville in Mosul in Iraq,

:28:41. > :28:42.which was broadcast on Sunday. Islamic State are 200

:28:43. > :28:46.metres in that direction. You can see children

:28:47. > :28:49.running, children playing. People are living 20 metres

:28:50. > :28:51.away from here. No military were injured,

:28:52. > :28:55.just civilians. This was happening

:28:56. > :29:07.on peoples doorsteps. enough. Do you believe that Islamic

:29:08. > :29:14.State can be defeated? Oh yes. You said that really casually. They are

:29:15. > :29:21.on their way out. Really? It was an enthusiasm which built up, you know,

:29:22. > :29:26.in the last five years and it's, I mean, it only had strength from

:29:27. > :29:37.being, from seeming to be unstoppable. The Iraqi Army has

:29:38. > :29:40.stopped it in various places. The Iraqi Army isn't fantastic, but they

:29:41. > :29:44.are better than Isis. The problem is not all the enthusiasts and the

:29:45. > :29:53.people that go there from all over the world. The problem is the

:29:54. > :29:59.absolutely unforgiving people who used to work for Saddam Hussein,

:30:00. > :30:03.where in his army and his armed forces and who were thrust out when

:30:04. > :30:11.the Americans invaded, the Americans and the British invaded in 2003.

:30:12. > :30:14.Those are the people with battle experience, with real experience, of

:30:15. > :30:20.how to make bombs and where to put them and so on. Isis, without them,

:30:21. > :30:28.would just be a bunch of amateurs and yes, I mean, I'm not saying that

:30:29. > :30:33.the problem of Islamist feeling is going to go away, it certainly

:30:34. > :30:36.won't, but Isis is a phenomenon, controlling large parts of Syria and

:30:37. > :30:45.Iraq is on its way out. Can you see yourself ever retiring,

:30:46. > :30:52.or will you do a David Attenborough and go on? The thing about David

:30:53. > :30:58.Attenborough, he has got all his faculties still. I have got them at

:30:59. > :31:05.72, whether I shall have them at the age of 90, has David Attenborough

:31:06. > :31:11.does, who can say? You can't tell. If you had asked me on the morning

:31:12. > :31:16.that I got ill, would I be fine, I would say, yes, I have another 20

:31:17. > :31:23.years, and I could have been buried in an unmarked grave that night.

:31:24. > :31:27.None of us know what is ahead, but yes, I shall carry on working. If

:31:28. > :31:33.the BBC won't have me, I will find somebody who will. Defiant! Jonathan

:31:34. > :31:40.says, who'd -- how do you keep a refreshing sense of humour? I have

:31:41. > :31:46.got a very happy home life, I have a ten-year-old son who is absolutely

:31:47. > :31:56.wonderful. And a lovely wife who looks after me. We have great fun

:31:57. > :32:03.together. I always have that to look forward to at the end of every trip.

:32:04. > :32:10.I am a bit irritated with my kid, because he tweeted yesterday... I

:32:11. > :32:16.was on one of the great Radio 2 programmes and he said, are you

:32:17. > :32:19.ready to accept the great Simpson? Not exactly the kind of thing I

:32:20. > :32:25.would tweet in my own name. He is only ten! If he wants to be 11, he

:32:26. > :32:32.will have to watch that! Why did you let him on Twitter? He is too clever

:32:33. > :32:37.to stop! That is a lame excuse! Pauline says, you are a true

:32:38. > :32:42.gentleman. Dennis says, when the honours lists appear each year,

:32:43. > :32:54.where our legends like John Simpson? Would you accept an honour? I took a

:32:55. > :32:59.CBE a long time ago. It took me a long time to think about it and

:33:00. > :33:07.working it out. 1991, it was just after the first Gulf War. I rang up

:33:08. > :33:11.Downing Street. I don't like the idea that these are political

:33:12. > :33:18.things, but anyway, now it is less political. I rang them up and said,

:33:19. > :33:27.I don't think it is really right, and the lady I spoke to said, you

:33:28. > :33:32.are in the category of civilians with the equivalent of a military

:33:33. > :33:38.medal. So I thought, OK. I don't use it. But I am very proud of it. It is

:33:39. > :33:43.not true to say I don't use it, when I go to flash dinners where

:33:44. > :33:48.everybody wears loads of medals, I have my CBE around my neck, just to

:33:49. > :33:49.try to keep up with the Joneses. Thank you very much for talking to

:33:50. > :33:54.us. John's book, We Chose To Speak

:33:55. > :34:00.Of War And Strife, is out now. This programme has found that many

:34:01. > :34:03.people with incurable conditions such as Parkinson's,

:34:04. > :34:05.MS and dementia are being told by the Department of Work

:34:06. > :34:07.and Pensions that some of their personal independence

:34:08. > :34:10.payments are being stopped - And, what's up with the American

:34:11. > :34:14.rapper Kanye West? According to media reports he's been

:34:15. > :34:17.rushed to hospital suffering from exhaustion after abruptly

:34:18. > :34:23.cancelling his US tour. Here's the BBC Newsroom

:34:24. > :34:26.with a summary of today's news. The NHS is considering requiring

:34:27. > :34:29.patients in England to produce two forms of identification,

:34:30. > :34:32.including a passport, before they receive some types

:34:33. > :34:35.of non-emergency treatment. It's an attempt to reduce the cost

:34:36. > :34:38.to the service of treating patients from abroad,

:34:39. > :34:54.which currently stands Nigel Farage says he is flattered at

:34:55. > :34:55.Donald Trump's call for him to be appointed as the British ambassador

:34:56. > :34:57.to the US. Donald Trump has backed calls

:34:58. > :34:59.for Nigel Farage to be appointed Britain's ambassador to the US,

:35:00. > :35:02.saying he would do a "great job". The President-elect said that "many

:35:03. > :35:05.people" wanted to see the interim Ukip leader as the UK's senior

:35:06. > :35:12.diplomat in Washington. Downing Street says there is not a

:35:13. > :35:21.vacancy. Flood warnings are in place, with

:35:22. > :35:23.more rain forecast today. South-west England, north-west England and

:35:24. > :35:27.South Wales have been badly affected. Network Rail says the main

:35:28. > :35:32.line to south-west England has been severed. Scotland has five flood

:35:33. > :35:36.warnings in the border region. The Turkish Prime Minister has said

:35:37. > :35:39.the Government is withdrawing a controversial bill which would have

:35:40. > :35:42.allowed men who had sex with underage girls to have their

:35:43. > :35:46.convictions quashed if it went on to marry them. It had sparked protests

:35:47. > :35:50.and had been met with international condemnation. The parliament had

:35:51. > :35:54.been due to vote on the bill today, but critics said it would legitimise

:35:55. > :35:59.statute rape and encourage the practice of taking child brides.

:36:00. > :36:02.New research suggests teenagers drink the equivalent of almost a

:36:03. > :36:07.bath full of sugary drinks each year. The study found that children

:36:08. > :36:12.of all ages were consuming too much sugar in drinks, although there had

:36:13. > :36:15.been an improvement on 2014 figures. Drinks are their main source of

:36:16. > :36:19.added sugar, and too much can lead to obesity and health problems. In

:36:20. > :36:22.March the Government promised a tax on sugary drinks in England.

:36:23. > :36:26.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

:36:27. > :36:34.The latest figures for Government borrowing show a smaller than

:36:35. > :36:41.expected deficit. What do we mean when we say deficit? If you have an

:36:42. > :36:46.income of ?1000 and you spend ?1100, you have a deficit, you are out

:36:47. > :36:49.spending by ?100. It is similar for the Government, almost all the time

:36:50. > :36:56.they outspend their income on and the public sector as a whole local

:36:57. > :36:59.Government, the NHS, etc. But these numbers show something relatively

:37:00. > :37:04.positive, we were expecting them to have to borrow ?6 billion to close

:37:05. > :37:08.the gap tween its income and spending in October, but it only had

:37:09. > :37:12.to borrow 4.8 billion. It is better than most were expecting. If you

:37:13. > :37:18.look at the total amount we have borrowed over time, all of those

:37:19. > :37:22.deficit added up, it comes to 1.6 trillion, which is a lot of money,

:37:23. > :37:28.about 84% of the value of the whole economy, on the other hand it is not

:37:29. > :37:31.quite as much as a proportion of the economy as it was. That has been the

:37:32. > :37:36.Government goal, to get it coming down as a proportion of the economy.

:37:37. > :37:42.It is not that they are slashing the debt, it is that the economy is

:37:43. > :37:46.growing better of people forward. Almost every economic indicator

:37:47. > :37:49.since the referendum has been far better than the Bank of England or

:37:50. > :37:53.the Treasury predicted. The Treasury addicted immediate harm to the

:37:54. > :37:58.economy following the referendum. Although there was a shock in July,

:37:59. > :38:07.a bit of a pause and people did not buy, it almost immediately caught

:38:08. > :38:12.up, and now, what disaster? What emergency we looking at? So far it

:38:13. > :38:16.looks like normality. That may change as the negotiations pan out,

:38:17. > :38:19.but in the short term we can say that public sector finances, like

:38:20. > :38:25.most other indicators, are looking relatively healthy. Google talk more

:38:26. > :38:28.in the next ten minutes or so. Tomorrow it is the Autumn Statement,

:38:29. > :38:30.the mini budget, full coverage here on BBC News.

:38:31. > :38:34.Here's Hugh now with the morning sports headlines.

:38:35. > :38:39.Gareth Southgate will have to wait until next Wednesday to see if he

:38:40. > :38:42.becomes the new England manager. The decision to make his interview

:38:43. > :38:49.public has drawn witticism, but Adrian Bevington says it made

:38:50. > :38:52.perfect sense. This Gareth Southgate makes sense, especially now Jurgen

:38:53. > :38:56.Klinnsmann has become available? He was interviewed in the summer before

:38:57. > :39:00.Sam Allardyce was given the job. He is now free to be spoken to, he was

:39:01. > :39:02.sacked by the United States yesterday.

:39:03. > :39:08.West Brom are up to ninth in the Premier League, beating Burnley 4-0

:39:09. > :39:12.last night. The ICC Council has fined the South

:39:13. > :39:17.African captain Faf du Plessis 100% of his match fee after he was found

:39:18. > :39:20.guilty of ball tampering during their second Test match against in

:39:21. > :39:24.Hobart. Australia He is free to play in the third Test match.

:39:25. > :39:27.That's all for now, back just after 10am.

:39:28. > :39:31.How is it that thousands of people with incurable

:39:32. > :39:33.conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia are being told

:39:34. > :39:36.by the Department of Work and Pensions that some

:39:37. > :39:37.of their personal-independence payments are being stopped

:39:38. > :39:41.Let me tell you about these conditions.

:39:42. > :39:46.It develops when cells in a part of the brain stop working properly.

:39:47. > :39:49.It's "progressive", which means the symptons,

:39:50. > :39:53.tremors and slowness of movement, will gradually get worse.

:39:54. > :39:57.Dementia describes a set of symptoms that may include memory loss

:39:58. > :40:01.and difficulties with thinking, problem-solving or language.

:40:02. > :40:07.MS, multiple sclerosis, is a neurological condition that

:40:08. > :40:10.affects the nerves in the brain and spinal cord.

:40:11. > :40:15.Symptons include fatigue, stumbling, slowed thinking.

:40:16. > :40:21.This programme has discovered that many of those with these conditions

:40:22. > :40:25.applying for the mobility element of Personal Independence Payment

:40:26. > :40:30.are having their awards reduced, sometimes to zero, something that

:40:31. > :40:35.charities and patient groups have told us should never happen.

:40:36. > :40:38.The Government says that assessments are carried out by qualified health

:40:39. > :40:40.professionals, and overall, more people are getting the highest

:40:41. > :40:49.It took my independence away totally.

:40:50. > :41:00.I instantly knew that the system is simply broken.

:41:01. > :41:08.How can they tell me that I'm better than I was?

:41:09. > :41:11.Hundreds of thousands live with an incurable disease,

:41:12. > :41:16.Many rely on the state to pay for the extra costs

:41:17. > :41:20.But this programme has learned that, for many, that support

:41:21. > :41:27.It's like having a really bad dose of the flu and you can't move

:41:28. > :41:37.Diane Barrett has lived in South London all her life.

:41:38. > :41:41.Eight years ago she was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

:41:42. > :41:43.Diane has difficulty walking, but when she's

:41:44. > :41:47.on the right medication, she can drive short distances.

:41:48. > :41:50.I did mention to my family that I was a bit worried,

:41:51. > :41:53.because I'd learned of people losing the mobility part of their

:41:54. > :41:58.All my family said, "That won't happen to you, because you've

:41:59. > :42:01.got a debilitating disease that is not going to get any better.

:42:02. > :42:06.And I was absolutely gobsmacked when the letter came.

:42:07. > :42:08.There's a lot of paperwork in those!

:42:09. > :42:12.For seven years, Diane received Disability Living Allowance,

:42:13. > :42:15.but DLA is slowly being phased out, replaced by the Personal

:42:16. > :42:21.The idea is to base the amount you get not

:42:22. > :42:23.just on the disability, but how it affects

:42:24. > :42:30.The switch means everyone has to be reassessed.

:42:31. > :42:33.Diane was told her needs had changed and the amount she received

:42:34. > :42:39.for getting around fell from ?57 a week to zero.

:42:40. > :42:41.Without the disability allowance, I couldn't have a car,

:42:42. > :42:43.because I haven't got any extra money.

:42:44. > :42:49.It took my independence away, totally.

:42:50. > :42:53.Without a car, there's a little hop-a-bus round here,

:42:54. > :42:56.but I find it really difficult getting on and off.

:42:57. > :42:58.And they don't wait for you to sit down,

:42:59. > :43:06.It made me realise how bad my Parkinson's was.

:43:07. > :43:09.It's also quite depressing, because with Parkinson's you can get

:43:10. > :43:13.So, Diane had to give up her old car.

:43:14. > :43:16.She asked for the decision to be reconsidered, and lost

:43:17. > :43:21.Six months later, she took it to a full appeal

:43:22. > :43:29.The tribunal took just ten minutes to decide the Government was wrong.

:43:30. > :43:32.Because I think we were just so relieved.

:43:33. > :43:35.He was relieved for me because he knew how it

:43:36. > :43:39.And I think I was just relieved it was over, really.

:43:40. > :43:42.And I felt like somebody was listening to me.

:43:43. > :43:50.The Government will say we are spending much more

:43:51. > :43:53.as a nation on things like disability benefits.

:43:54. > :43:56.It has to run these checks to make sure that the right people

:43:57. > :44:04.But I think, straightaway, when I look at a paper,

:44:05. > :44:06.they can see if somebody's got Parkinson's, dementia,

:44:07. > :44:17.To qualify for a car under the Government's mobility scheme,

:44:18. > :44:19.you have to receive the highest rate of PIP.

:44:20. > :44:25.It also gives you other rights, a disabled badge and free road tax.

:44:26. > :44:28.But faced with that growing bill for disability payments,

:44:29. > :44:30.the Government has been tightening the rules.

:44:31. > :44:35.Critics say the assessment process is also more demanding.

:44:36. > :44:37.Freedom-of-information requests for this programme show the effect

:44:38. > :44:41.this is having on people with incurable conditions.

:44:42. > :44:45.Under the old DLA scheme, 82% of people with Parkinson's

:44:46. > :44:47.disease were receiving the full payment.

:44:48. > :44:54.It's the same basic pattern with other diseases like multiple

:44:55. > :45:02.The Government says that, overall, more people receive the highest rate

:45:03. > :45:05.of support under PIP, and more people with MS,

:45:06. > :45:09.osteoarthritis and Parkinson's are receiving the highest-possible

:45:10. > :45:15.That wouldn't include the mobility allowance.

:45:16. > :45:18.People who lose a car can get extra help to buy their old vehicle

:45:19. > :45:20.outright, though that is paid for by charity rather

:45:21. > :45:29.At Parkinson's UK, they have now set up a dedicated team to deal

:45:30. > :45:32.The charity says people with a degenerative disease already

:45:33. > :45:34.on the highest level of support should not

:45:35. > :45:38.have their needs constantly reassessed.

:45:39. > :45:42.The experience of going to an assessment is extremely stressful.

:45:43. > :45:45.People with Parkinson's go to so much trouble to appear well,

:45:46. > :45:48.and take their medication and get up so early in the morning to get

:45:49. > :45:53.And then because they appear well on that day, the assessor often

:45:54. > :45:55.says, "Well, you don't look ill, you don't need that

:45:56. > :46:02.The latest figures show the numbers appealing a decision are ballooning.

:46:03. > :46:04.There are now more than 6,000 full tribunals every month.

:46:05. > :46:06.A large proportion, 65%, have their decision overturned

:46:07. > :46:14.It's shocking, frankly, that two in every three PIP decisions that

:46:15. > :46:19.It's great that those decisions are then overturned and people

:46:20. > :46:22.are getting the levels of support they need, but we shouldn't be

:46:23. > :46:25.in a position where people have to rely on the appeals process

:46:26. > :46:27.to get that support in the first place.

:46:28. > :46:30.People should be able to expect that the first decision that they

:46:31. > :46:35.The Government says PIP assessments are carried out by qualified

:46:36. > :46:38.Decisions are made following consideration of all the information

:46:39. > :46:40.provided by the claimant, including supporting

:46:41. > :46:53.We first met Wendy Mitchell last year when she appeared in a film

:46:54. > :47:07.And that was when something hit me that it wasn't quite right.

:47:08. > :47:14.My life has changed, simply from the fact

:47:15. > :47:29.I probably was able simply to talk about anything and everything,

:47:30. > :47:40.She was one of the first to be moved straight onto PIP

:47:41. > :47:44.Under the current system, she still has to be

:47:45. > :47:51.When her latest decision came through, she was told her needs had

:47:52. > :47:54.changed, and her entire benefits would be cut from ?77

:47:55. > :48:07.It enables you to continue to live independently.

:48:08. > :48:11.That's the whole purpose of the benefit itself.

:48:12. > :48:19.It enables you to continue to live in your own home.

:48:20. > :48:29.Official statistics show that, overall, under PIP, more people

:48:30. > :48:31.with dementia do now appear to be receiving

:48:32. > :48:34.But critics say that's not the full story.

:48:35. > :48:36.The Alzheimer's Society says it's received at least 250 calls

:48:37. > :48:38.from people having problems with the benefit over

:48:39. > :48:46.I don't remember the content of the interview, but I remember

:48:47. > :48:51.feeling that I wasn't there very long, and the person didn't ask me

:48:52. > :48:57.many questions to help me remember what I was supposed to be saying.

:48:58. > :48:59.So, did you feel that they had an understanding

:49:00. > :49:01.of your condition at the end of it?

:49:02. > :49:05.I felt that they totally lacked any knowledge of dementia whatsoever.

:49:06. > :49:10.And then I got the shocking letter that told me that I was no longer

:49:11. > :49:22.And a list of all the things that I was apparently better

:49:23. > :49:35.I wish I was better, who wouldn't when they've got dementia?

:49:36. > :49:37.When you received that letter, what went through your head,

:49:38. > :49:42.Oh, well, it just makes you feel so demoralised.

:49:43. > :49:48.I instantly knew that the system is simply broken, because how can

:49:49. > :49:58.they tell me that I'm better than I was, when I've deteriorated?

:49:59. > :50:01.Since we filmed, Wendy has lost her first review of her PIP

:50:02. > :50:05.decision, and has decided a full appeal at tribunal

:50:06. > :50:10.A group of charities is now calling for ministers to scrap unnecessary

:50:11. > :50:12.repeated reassessments for people living with diseases

:50:13. > :50:20.The Government says the PIP system is better than the one it replaced,

:50:21. > :50:27.and overall is spending more on disability benefits every year.

:50:28. > :50:29.We asked the Department for Work and Pensions

:50:30. > :50:36.for an interview and, you guessed it, they said no.

:50:37. > :50:39.But in a statement told us, "PIP assessments are carried out

:50:40. > :50:41.by qualified health professionals who combine their clinical knowledge

:50:42. > :50:44.with an understanding of the fact that not everyone with the same

:50:45. > :50:46.disability is impacted in the same way.

:50:47. > :50:48.Decisions are made following consideration of all the information

:50:49. > :50:49.provided by the claimant, including supporting evidence

:50:50. > :50:56.from their GP or medical specialist."

:50:57. > :51:00.If you've been affected, do get in touch.

:51:01. > :51:07.We are going to talk to a Conservative MP at 10.45pm. The

:51:08. > :51:12.Electoral Commission say they are opening an investigation into Ukip's

:51:13. > :51:15.finances amid allegations the party misspent European Union money. So an

:51:16. > :51:19.investigation is going to be opened into Ukip's finances by the

:51:20. > :51:24.Electoral Commission. The allegation is that Ukip misspent European Union

:51:25. > :51:28.money. Donald Trump has said that he thinks that the current Ukip leader,

:51:29. > :51:30.Nigel Farage, should become Britain's next ambassador to the

:51:31. > :51:34.United States. Well, in the last minute, Nigel Farage tweeted this,

:51:35. > :51:40."I have known several of the Trump team for years and I'm in a good

:51:41. > :51:55.position with the president-elect's support team to help."

:51:56. > :52:00.The Philip Hammond will set out more details about the public finance ins

:52:01. > :52:05.his Autumn Statement tomorrow. So what do the latest figures mean for

:52:06. > :52:08.us? Mean for you? What do they tell us about the state of the nation's

:52:09. > :52:14.finances in a post Brexit world? Here to talk in plain, simple

:52:15. > :52:17.language are Professor Anand Menon, who is Director of the UK

:52:18. > :52:24.in a Changing Europe initiative - Hello, both of you. Good morning.

:52:25. > :52:30.OK, what is the state of the British economy? Bearing in mind the latest

:52:31. > :52:32.figures? Well, latest figures are better than the economists

:52:33. > :52:35.predicted. What we can say about Brexit is less certain. It hasn't

:52:36. > :52:39.happened yet. There is a massive amount of uncertainty around. We

:52:40. > :52:43.haven't left the single market and trade hasn't dipped. It is too early

:52:44. > :52:48.to draw any conclusions, but so far, so good. Would agree with that? I

:52:49. > :52:52.would. It is due to the fact that the Bank of England has lowered

:52:53. > :52:57.interest rates further and that, of course, it gave a lot of liquidity

:52:58. > :52:59.back into the market to help the banks and to help business to

:53:00. > :53:05.continue to operate and borrow and therefore, invest. The con somer has

:53:06. > :53:12.taken huge benefit from that, very low interest rates and low mortgage

:53:13. > :53:15.rates having encouraged the take-up of borrowing and consumer spending

:53:16. > :53:20.has been high and that's what kept the economy going. So it wouldn't be

:53:21. > :53:26.fair then to say the Treasury warned of imminent danger if there was to

:53:27. > :53:30.be a leave vote and they were wrong because you say they've, the Bank of

:53:31. > :53:33.England and others have tried to ameliorate the situation? What would

:53:34. > :53:36.have happened if there was no intervention at all? What is going

:53:37. > :53:40.to happen tomorrow with Philip Hammond is he is going to make sure

:53:41. > :53:44.that he does enough to reassure businesses that in fact he would be

:53:45. > :53:48.behind them if you like to encourage investment which is very, very

:53:49. > :53:53.important for the economy. He can't do a lot because his fins even

:53:54. > :53:57.though better in the last month are actually still worse over the year

:53:58. > :53:59.or will be worse over the year than he was anticipating and will

:54:00. > :54:04.continue to be worse because the economy won't grow as fast as it did

:54:05. > :54:08.before and he will give those forecasts backing what he is going

:54:09. > :54:11.to be do from the office of budget responsibility which will show that

:54:12. > :54:14.slowdown will impact on his finances. So he will be careful in

:54:15. > :54:17.what he does. He will give a little bit there and a little bit there.

:54:18. > :54:20.More infrastructure and may help businesses a bit, but he will wait

:54:21. > :54:25.and see what happens to the economy over the next few months and maybe

:54:26. > :54:30.he will do something more fundamental. Should people expect

:54:31. > :54:32.after Christmas, I've interviewed various businesses, who say after

:54:33. > :54:36.Christmas they will have to put their prices up because of the level

:54:37. > :54:41.of sterling and importing bits and bobs have made their businesses more

:54:42. > :54:44.expensive? They are going to have to put their prices up because they're

:54:45. > :54:47.paying 20% more. Prices will go up. The flip side is that businesses

:54:48. > :54:51.that export might do better because their goods are cheaper. Of course,

:54:52. > :54:54.next year, at sometime we expect the Prime Minister to trigger Article 50

:54:55. > :54:59.and then the real show starts because then we get some idea about

:55:00. > :55:03.the impact on trade is going to be. At the moment we don't know. My

:55:04. > :55:07.sense is a lot of businesses are holding fire to wait and see which

:55:08. > :55:10.is why things are continuing as normal. We don't know what will

:55:11. > :55:12.happen because we don't know what Brexit will mean. OK. Thank you

:55:13. > :55:16.both. Thank you very much. Kanye West has been admitted

:55:17. > :55:18.to hospital for exhaustion, a day after cancelling his tour

:55:19. > :55:21.and this outburst over the weekend. Because I heard that you said

:55:22. > :55:32.you wouldn't perform unless you won Video of the Year over me,

:55:33. > :55:35.and over Hotline Bling. Now don't go trying

:55:36. > :55:42.to diss me, I said. But sometimes we be playing

:55:43. > :55:48.the politics too much Right now, press, get ready

:55:49. > :56:02.to write your passive aggressive, Get ready to have a

:56:03. > :56:09.field day for this. Get ready, get ready -

:56:10. > :56:16.because the show's over. Radio 1 Newsbeat's reporter

:56:17. > :56:26.Sinead Garvan can tell us more. What's going on? A man has been

:56:27. > :56:30.hospitalised. That's what LA PD Police told the BBC and it is widely

:56:31. > :56:34.assumed to be Kanye West. Varying reports around the States about what

:56:35. > :56:40.it is. I think the overall opinion it is to do with exhaustion. His

:56:41. > :56:44.morm spoke last night saying that he is very tired from the tour and if

:56:45. > :56:49.you look at everything that happened with the family, with Kim

:56:50. > :56:52.Kardashian's robbery and he is having problems with Jay Z and

:56:53. > :56:56.Beyonce. He talked about debt problems in the past. A lot of his

:56:57. > :57:00.friends say he is a man who doesn't sleep very much. He will stay up for

:57:01. > :57:03.48 hours at a time. So it seems that's probably the most likely

:57:04. > :57:07.thing that he has got to a point where everything has got on top of

:57:08. > :57:13.him and that's why he has been taken into hospital. A bit of burn-out

:57:14. > :57:17.perhaps. Yes. We will bring you the news and sport

:57:18. > :57:22.shortly, but here is the weather with Carol. What a lot of weather

:57:23. > :57:29.there has been, my goodness. There has. You can see how much rain we've

:57:30. > :57:32.in the last 12 hours or so. A lot pushing up across the north of

:57:33. > :57:34.England and into southern and Eastern Scotland and a lot of

:57:35. > :57:39.showers following on behind. All of this came on top of Storm Angus

:57:40. > :57:42.which went through on Sunday. Another area of low pressure formed

:57:43. > :57:48.and that brought in the wet and the windy conditions we had. But today,

:57:49. > :57:52.it is a little bit quieter. We have got weather pictures. This is Devon.

:57:53. > :57:56.A beautiful start to the day. It doesn't mean it will stay dry all

:57:57. > :58:00.day. There are showers around. And this is another one. Look at this.

:58:01. > :58:03.Somerset. There was a lot of rain and some flooding in Somerset. This

:58:04. > :58:07.is actually a field as you can tell with the grass sticking out of it.

:58:08. > :58:18.So a lot of rain and another one I want to show you is further east.

:58:19. > :58:22.This is in Surrey. Again, in Cobham. It has been so wet. After today,

:58:23. > :58:27.things tend to settle down. That's good news. So you weren't affected

:58:28. > :58:31.by t were you? No. No, thank goodness. There is a lot of surface

:58:32. > :58:34.water and spray on the roads. Yesterday when I was driving home it

:58:35. > :58:38.was scary, because I passed a lorry and there was water everywhere.

:58:39. > :58:41.Today, still showers to come. So I will just get on with the forecast.

:58:42. > :58:46.Showers around today. It will be wet and it will be windy for a time. And

:58:47. > :58:49.again, today, it is showers that we're looking at. Some of them

:58:50. > :58:53.merging to give longer spells of rain. As they travel behind this

:58:54. > :58:58.area of low pressure some will merge. So the south of the country

:58:59. > :59:01.seeing some breaks in the cloud. Will see maybe sunshine coming

:59:02. > :59:05.through across East Anglia, Kent, Essex and Kent and possibly the

:59:06. > :59:09.London area, but we're not immune to showers. It is further north and

:59:10. > :59:11.west where we will see the lion's share of the sunshine across Western

:59:12. > :59:16.Scotland and also into Northern Ireland. Temperatures here, seven or

:59:17. > :59:21.eight Celsius. Further south, milder at 11 or 12 Celsius. Windy around

:59:22. > :59:24.the coasts and as we head on through the evening and overnight, there

:59:25. > :59:28.goes the low pressure heading off to Scandinavia. Behind it, high

:59:29. > :59:31.pressure starts to build in. So things quieten down. There will be a

:59:32. > :59:34.lot of cloud across England and Wales. One or two breaks will allow

:59:35. > :59:38.fog patches to form in Southern England and maybe the Midlands and

:59:39. > :59:41.parts of Wales and we've got clearer skies across Scotland and Northern

:59:42. > :59:45.Ireland. So not only will it be a cold night, temperatures in Braemar,

:59:46. > :59:49.that area in the Highlands dropping to minus ten Celsius. We will have

:59:50. > :59:53.freezing fog. The freezing fog will be slow to lift tomorrow morning and

:59:54. > :59:57.it will really hold the temperature down, if it lingers for much of the

:59:58. > :00:00.day, but for Scotland and Northern Ireland and then later Northern

:00:01. > :00:03.England we will see a fair bit of sunshine. For the rest of England

:00:04. > :00:07.and Wales, variable amounts of cloud, some holes being punched in

:00:08. > :00:12.that through the day so some of us will see some sunshine, but still a

:00:13. > :00:15.few showers. The winds will strengthen again, across the English

:00:16. > :00:19.Channel, affecting the Channel Islands and later we will have

:00:20. > :00:22.coastal gales off the coastlines of Devon and Cornwall. Temperatures

:00:23. > :00:26.tomorrow, well nothing to write home about. If you are stuck under the

:00:27. > :00:30.fog, that's what this two represents, but as we come further

:00:31. > :00:36.south, we are looking at nines, tens and 11s. A look at overnight and

:00:37. > :00:40.into Wednesday morning. It will be wet and windy. High pressure

:00:41. > :00:44.establishes itself over the UK so we see more settled conditions. Mostly

:00:45. > :00:48.dry and cold by night and cold by day.

:00:49. > :00:53.Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:54. > :00:59.Thousands of people with the generative diseases are getting

:01:00. > :01:04.their benefits cut because they are told they are getting better.

:01:05. > :01:07.Straightaway, when they look at their paper, they can see if

:01:08. > :01:12.somebody has Parkinson's disease, dementia, MS. You are not going to

:01:13. > :01:14.get over it, it is going to get worse.

:01:15. > :01:21.We will hear from more people affected. If it has happened to you,

:01:22. > :01:24.get in touch. Last week we spoke exclusively to

:01:25. > :01:27.the former professional footballer Andy Woodward, who revealed how his

:01:28. > :01:29.formative coach accused him for years.

:01:30. > :01:31.The impact it's had on my life is just catastrophic,

:01:32. > :01:36.and you live with that all your life, and you can't put it

:01:37. > :01:49.Since that interview, six people have come forward to say they also

:01:50. > :01:53.have been abused. We will talk to him again shortly.

:01:54. > :01:58.And, competitive gaming is growing massively in popularity, so why at

:01:59. > :02:02.the biggest gaming awards last night did not a single woman win one?

:02:03. > :02:12.There is a perception that men are biologically crime -- primed for it,

:02:13. > :02:13.that men are better at competitive games, therefore they are more

:02:14. > :02:16.visible in the industry. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:02:17. > :02:20.with a summary of today's news. The NHS is looking at

:02:21. > :02:22.whether patients across England should have to produce two forms

:02:23. > :02:25.of ID before receiving Its most-senior official says

:02:26. > :02:31.it is considering identity checks in an effort to tackle the rise

:02:32. > :02:36.in so-called health tourism, when foreigners come to the UK

:02:37. > :02:38.to receive free medical treatment. Nigel Farage has said he's "very

:02:39. > :02:42.flattered" by Donald Trump's call for him to be appointed Britain's

:02:43. > :02:45.ambassador to the US. The President-elect said he would do

:02:46. > :02:48.a "great job" and that "many people" wanted to see the interim Ukip

:02:49. > :02:51.leader as the UK's senior The suggestion was quickly rebuffed

:02:52. > :03:05.by Downing Street, which says The UK's election watchdog has

:03:06. > :03:09.announced it has opened an investigation into Ukip's finances,

:03:10. > :03:13.following allegations that the party misspent money it received from the

:03:14. > :03:18.EU by the European Parliament to regroup it is affiliated to. It is

:03:19. > :03:21.claimed they use the funds on its campaigns in the general election

:03:22. > :03:25.and the Brexit referendum. The electoral commission is looking at

:03:26. > :03:27.whether there was a breach of UK election law.

:03:28. > :03:33.The amount the Government has to borrow to plug the gap between its

:03:34. > :03:36.income and its spending shrank in October, 24 8p, down by a quarter

:03:37. > :03:45.compared with the same month a year ago the figures were better than

:03:46. > :03:50.most economists had expected. What these numbers show is something

:03:51. > :03:54.relatively positive, we were expecting the Government to have to

:03:55. > :04:00.borrow ?6 billion to close the gap between its income and spending in

:04:01. > :04:04.October, in the end it only had to borrow 4.8 billion, so it is better

:04:05. > :04:08.than most were expecting. If you look at the total amount we have

:04:09. > :04:13.borrowed over time, all of those deficit added up, it comes to 1.6

:04:14. > :04:19.trillion, urges a lot of money, that is about 84% of the whole economy,

:04:20. > :04:23.or on the other hand, it is not quite as much as a proportion of the

:04:24. > :04:27.economy as it was. That has been the Government goal, to have the debt

:04:28. > :04:30.coming down as a proportion of the economy. It is not that they are

:04:31. > :04:33.slashing the debt, it is more that the economy is growing better than

:04:34. > :04:38.people thought. Thousands with in curable conditions

:04:39. > :04:42.are being told by the Government that some of their benefits have

:04:43. > :04:51.been stopped because they are getting better. We have discovered

:04:52. > :04:52.that many are applying for the mobility element of PIP and having

:04:53. > :04:53.their awards refused, sometimes to zero. The Government says more

:04:54. > :04:55.people are getting the highest level of support.

:04:56. > :05:00.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10:30am.

:05:01. > :05:06.Gareth Southgate is going to have to wait until next Wednesday to see

:05:07. > :05:13.Former England striker Chris Sutton called the interview a "slap

:05:14. > :05:19.Adrian Bevington, who used to be an FA executive,

:05:20. > :05:21.told the BBC it made "perfect sense" to make the meeting

:05:22. > :05:25.public and that it didn't overcomplicate the process.

:05:26. > :05:28.One thing that could complicate the process is the sacking

:05:29. > :05:31.of Jurgen Klinsmann as USA head coach.

:05:32. > :05:34.It was reported back in July that the former Spurs and Germany

:05:35. > :05:36.star was one of those interviewed as a potential successor

:05:37. > :05:41.There was one game in the Premier League,

:05:42. > :05:44.and a bit of a surprising result, as West Brom beat Burnley

:05:45. > :05:48.4-0 at the Hawthorns, thanks largely to a first-half

:05:49. > :05:52.scoring blitz, with Matty Philips, this from James Morrison

:05:53. > :05:55.and a Darren Fletcher tap-in putting Albion three up at half-time.

:05:56. > :05:59.Striker Salomon Rondon rounded off the scoring in the second half

:06:00. > :06:03.as Tony Pulis' side move into the top half of the table.

:06:04. > :06:05.That's back-to-back wins for them as well, so good news

:06:06. > :06:10.You know, to score four goals, it's been a dreadful day today,

:06:11. > :06:14.and to get the supporters out, I thank the supporters for coming

:06:15. > :06:17.tonight, because they could have easily sat in and watched it on TV.

:06:18. > :06:21.So they deserve a lot of credit, and I'm just so pleased that we've

:06:22. > :06:25.put a performance in and scored four goals for them, really.

:06:26. > :06:28.The International Cricket Council has fined South Africa captain Faf

:06:29. > :06:32.du Plessis 100% of his match fee after been found guilty of ball

:06:33. > :06:37.tampering during the second Test against Australia in Hobart,

:06:38. > :06:44.but is free to play in the third Test.

:06:45. > :06:50.It is not often not members of Barcelona's team are starstruck, but

:06:51. > :06:53.they may just have happened yesterday when they were paid a

:06:54. > :06:58.visit by one of pop's the guest stars, I am talking about Justin

:06:59. > :07:04.Bieber, with Neymar, at their training ground. The Canadian is due

:07:05. > :07:08.to perform in Barcelona today, he took time out and showed off some of

:07:09. > :07:13.his skills on the pitch. The Brazilian star posted afterwards, it

:07:14. > :07:18.was impossible to dribble past this defender, with a picture of him.

:07:19. > :07:21.That is all the sport for now, we are back with more just after

:07:22. > :07:28.10:30am. Nigel Farage has written an article

:07:29. > :07:32.for a right-wing news website, the editor in chief of which has just

:07:33. > :07:37.been appointed chief strategist by Donald Trump. This is what he says.

:07:38. > :07:42.He is responding to the fact that Donald Trump has tweeted that Nigel

:07:43. > :07:46.Farage will be a great ambassador to the United States. Nigel Farage

:07:47. > :07:51.says, nothing could have paid me for what came next, like adult from the

:07:52. > :07:55.blue, Donald Trump tweeted I would do a great job of the UK's

:07:56. > :07:59.ambassador to Washington. I can scarcely believe he did that, though

:08:00. > :08:03.speaking to a couple of his friends, perhaps I am less surprised, they

:08:04. > :08:07.all say that he is loyal and supports those that stand by him. It

:08:08. > :08:12.is called trust, it is how the world of business operates. The cesspit of

:08:13. > :08:18.his career politics understands nothing of this. The concept of

:08:19. > :08:21.trust is transitory. He goes on to say, at every stage I am greeted by

:08:22. > :08:25.negative comments from Downing Street, the dislike of me, Ukip and

:08:26. > :08:29.the referendum result is more important to them than what could be

:08:30. > :08:33.good for our country. I have known several of his team for years, I am

:08:34. > :08:38.in a good position with his support to help. The world has changed, and

:08:39. > :08:40.it is time that Downing Street did as well. The words of Nigel Farage

:08:41. > :08:43.on the right wing news website. Last week, we exclusively spoke

:08:44. > :08:45.to ex-Crewe Alexandra player Andy Woodward,

:08:46. > :08:48.who told us in his first broadcast interview he'd been raped hundreds

:08:49. > :09:06.of times by a former youth coach. Any person that has suffered abuse

:09:07. > :09:10.and rape, etc, will hopefully understand where I come from when I

:09:11. > :09:18.say this. The impact it has had on my life is just catastrophic. You

:09:19. > :09:24.live with that all your life. I cannot put it into words what that

:09:25. > :09:28.has done to me. But other people out there will understand what it does

:09:29. > :09:32.to you. Everybody always says, how do you cope with it? We survive, and

:09:33. > :09:34.that is it. Andy Woodward told us he'd

:09:35. > :09:37.waived his right to anonymity and was speaking out to try and urge

:09:38. > :09:40.others to come forward. Since that interview,

:09:41. > :09:56.six other people have come forward. You have spoken to them all, what

:09:57. > :10:00.have they said? I have been inundated with not only the six

:10:01. > :10:07.people that I have spoken to directly, but also messages from

:10:08. > :10:10.other players who have told me that... So many stories,

:10:11. > :10:17.heartbreaking, I have been so emotional. They are harrowing

:10:18. > :10:23.stories. They have reached out to me and thanked me so much for coming

:10:24. > :10:30.out originally. It has given faith. You have spoken to six, but other

:10:31. > :10:34.contact via Twitter. In total, how many people have got in touch with

:10:35. > :10:49.you since to interview? There has been several people that have

:10:50. > :11:10.contacted me. I cannot put a number on it. They vary in what they have

:11:11. > :11:10.said. They all footballers? Yes, ex-footballers. Did they say that

:11:11. > :11:15.they found the courage to speak out because you had? Absolutely, that is

:11:16. > :11:16.what they have said. The colours of what I have said, it has given them

:11:17. > :11:17.coverage -- courage and belief. Cheshire police are investigating.

:11:18. > :11:18.Is this the tip of the iceberg's I have said it all along, it is. But

:11:19. > :11:24.it will take them a long time. People to come out and speak, there

:11:25. > :11:27.is no rush, the police have started their investigation, and I don't

:11:28. > :11:32.want to put pressure on anybody. I came out with a long view, for other

:11:33. > :11:37.people to survive from this, and I cannot thank the public enough for

:11:38. > :11:42.what they have done. It is brilliant, I can't thank them for

:11:43. > :11:46.their support they have given me. Have you had any contact with Crewe

:11:47. > :11:51.Alexandra since the revelations? No contact from them whatsoever. I was

:11:52. > :11:57.very disappointed with the replies that have come out. That is an

:11:58. > :12:03.understatement, disappointed. It may be really sad. Why did you think

:12:04. > :12:07.they are saying nothing? I don't know, somebody would have to ask

:12:08. > :12:16.them that I have no idea. Why has it upset you so much? I came out with

:12:17. > :12:19.such a story, it has taken me so much coverage, and it has taken so

:12:20. > :12:26.much longer for them to come back with any reply. I did not expect any

:12:27. > :12:32.sort of long things, but just an appreciation for what I went through

:12:33. > :12:35.there. I have a statement from Cheshire police, they say, we are in

:12:36. > :12:41.the process of making contact with six people and no one else is under

:12:42. > :12:45.investigation at this stage. We take all reports of sexual offences to be

:12:46. > :12:50.seriously and have specialist trained officers to provide advice

:12:51. > :12:54.support. We urge anybody who has been a victim, no matter how long

:12:55. > :13:00.ago, to contact the police on 101. If there are other players, former

:13:01. > :13:06.players, young football players, who could be experiencing this, what

:13:07. > :13:15.would you say to them? All I would say is I am an example, I just one

:13:16. > :13:19.of many, I with you all the way. I just hope that one day you feel the

:13:20. > :13:25.courage and the bravery that I have been told I have had, I don't see it

:13:26. > :13:28.like that, I Jesse White can help people, but one day you will pluck

:13:29. > :13:32.up the courage to come forward, because I know there are several

:13:33. > :13:46.more. There are loads of people out there, and it is not just Crewe

:13:47. > :13:49.Alexandra. That man was at other football clubs, including Manchester

:13:50. > :13:50.City. I am aware of people going back in history that have suffered

:13:51. > :13:53.all their lives because of this. This is not just because of Crewe

:13:54. > :13:54.Alexandra, these other clubs that were involved, with that man, who

:13:55. > :13:59.went round thinking that he could take people's lives and strip them.

:14:00. > :14:01.You are speaking of the man who was jailed in the late 90s after

:14:02. > :14:08.pleading guilty to offences against boys. That is correct. I am aware, I

:14:09. > :14:13.have spoken to people at Manchester city who have made comments about

:14:14. > :14:19.that man and what he did and lucky escape that people have had. It is

:14:20. > :14:25.devastating. I will not stop now. I want this to good to knew. That is

:14:26. > :14:29.why I am trying to generate as much support from people, because people

:14:30. > :14:32.are suffering out there. You have done a remarkable thing, thank you

:14:33. > :14:38.for talking to as again. Just one thing. I just want to send a message

:14:39. > :14:44.to my family, who have all been absolutely fantastic. And my dad,

:14:45. > :14:45.who has motor neurone disease, and will be watching this, so thanks,

:14:46. > :15:02.dad. A right-wing journalist has been

:15:03. > :15:07.barred from speaking at his old school after the Government's

:15:08. > :15:08.counter extremism unit intervened. We will talk to some of the students

:15:09. > :15:12.at the school. NHS patients in England could be

:15:13. > :15:15.required to show two types of identification,

:15:16. > :15:16.including their passports, before getting some types

:15:17. > :15:18.of non-emergency treatment, It's part of an attempt to crack

:15:19. > :15:26.down on so-called health tourism. Labour said it will oppose the move

:15:27. > :15:29.being rolled across England and Wales saying that NHS staff are not

:15:30. > :15:32.border guards. A senior civil servant

:15:33. > :15:36.at the Department of Health called Chris Wormald told MPs

:15:37. > :15:38.that it was a controversial move but already happened

:15:39. > :15:48.in some NHS trusts. We have some trusts which are asking

:15:49. > :15:55.for two forms of ID before treatment. That's obviously a

:15:56. > :15:59.controversial thing to do, but in terms of how do you get those

:16:00. > :16:06.numbers up? Those are the kinds of things we will look at. The general

:16:07. > :16:09.question of are we looking at whether trusts should proactively

:16:10. > :16:13.ask people to prove identity, yes, we are looking at that. As I say we

:16:14. > :16:18.know individual trusts like Peterborough who are doing that and

:16:19. > :16:21.who are reporting it makes a big difference and they are saying

:16:22. > :16:28.please come with two forms of identity and they use that to check

:16:29. > :16:32.whether people are eligible or not. It is obviously a controversial

:16:33. > :16:33.thing to do to say to the entire population that you have to prove

:16:34. > :16:36.identity. So, how much does health tourism

:16:37. > :16:38.actually cost the NHS? Nick Triggle is our

:16:39. > :16:48.health correspondent. It foreigners come to go Britain or

:16:49. > :16:52.foreigners who already live in Britain or what? It is overseas

:16:53. > :16:57.nationals being treated by the NHS. Now that costs an estimated ?2

:16:58. > :17:00.billion a year, but what the Government is focussing on and what

:17:01. > :17:04.the Government is talking about today is routine hospital care

:17:05. > :17:09.because A care and GP services are provided free. They are focussing on

:17:10. > :17:14.routine hospital stuff, maternity services, scans, knee and hip

:17:15. > :17:18.operations. OK. The Government have set a target for recouping ?500

:17:19. > :17:22.million by next year, but already the NHS is behind schedule so they

:17:23. > :17:26.are looking at new ways to help hospitals identify the status of

:17:27. > :17:30.patients. So, when you say recouping, you mean somebody gives

:17:31. > :17:33.in their passport, you go, you're from South Africa, therefore, we

:17:34. > :17:37.will recoup the money from your Government, is that what it means?

:17:38. > :17:40.Well, so there is three things hospitals are looking for. Of

:17:41. > :17:43.course, firstly, if they are a British national, free treatment. If

:17:44. > :17:47.they are from much of Europe and there are a few other countries

:17:48. > :17:51.where there is an agreement, the hospital then starts a process to

:17:52. > :17:56.charge that patient's Government. However, if they are from outside of

:17:57. > :17:59.Europe, where there aren't the agreements, the patient is charged.

:18:00. > :18:10.There is a third thing they are looking for and that's whether last

:18:11. > :18:14.year, a surcharge was brought on and students were charged ?150 during

:18:15. > :18:19.the visa applications and other people charged ?250 of the that's

:18:20. > :18:26.what hospitals are looking for. If they haven't paid that surcharge

:18:27. > :18:32.when they applied for their visa and they don't get the treatment or

:18:33. > :18:37.what? If they are looking at urgent treatment, the hospital will treat

:18:38. > :18:39.them and then look to recoup it. In Peterborough, either you pay it or

:18:40. > :18:43.you don't get the routine treatment. We can also speak to Meirion Thomas,

:18:44. > :18:45.former consultant surgeon at the Royal Marsden Hospital in

:18:46. > :18:49.London. And Meg Hillier, who chairs the

:18:50. > :18:57.Commons Public Accounts Committee. What do you think about this? I

:18:58. > :19:00.think it is an excellent idea, I suggested this in a letter to the

:19:01. > :19:03.Department of Health in August 2015 and I spoke again to senior members

:19:04. > :19:07.at the Department of Health in January 2016. Why is it an excellent

:19:08. > :19:12.idea? It is an excellent idea because the concept is that the NHS

:19:13. > :19:17.is free at the point of use, but it is, of course, only for eligible

:19:18. > :19:22.patients and I think it is a minimum infringement to people's rights when

:19:23. > :19:26.they attend for their first hospital appointment just to produce their

:19:27. > :19:31.passport or utility bill, driving licence, just to prove that they are

:19:32. > :19:35.eligible for free NHS care. Can I make the point? The whole, this

:19:36. > :19:39.mornings the BBC have been saying this is, health tourism is costing

:19:40. > :19:43.?500 million. That's not right. It is ?2 billion, Nick just said that.

:19:44. > :19:48.It is ?2 billion. The Department of Health are hoping to recover ?500

:19:49. > :19:52.million. Even if they recover that, they are ?1250 million short by next

:19:53. > :19:58.year, that's what the National Audit Office said, even if they recovered

:19:59. > :20:02.that, they are ?1.5 million that the British taxpayer is still funding

:20:03. > :20:08.and subsidising. The Department of Health have really not got to grips

:20:09. > :20:13.with this problem. Meg Hillier, talk to Professor Thomas who thinks it is

:20:14. > :20:16.an excellent idea. It is a minimum infringement just to show your

:20:17. > :20:19.passport. The challenge is how you get a system in place that quite

:20:20. > :20:26.rightly and quite fairly gets people to pay who should be paying. I agre

:20:27. > :20:29.with the professor that people shouldn't be coming here and getting

:20:30. > :20:34.free treatment. If you are saying a passport for everybody, not only

:20:35. > :20:38.everybody has a passport. Only 85% of the population does and a British

:20:39. > :20:41.passport does not prove that you are entitled to healthcare. The

:20:42. > :20:45.Government has set a target for getting some of the money back for

:20:46. > :20:48.the taxpayer, but it set that three years ago and it never set-up a

:20:49. > :20:52.system and because we have a system free at point of delivery, unlike

:20:53. > :20:55.other countries where it is insurance based it is complicated to

:20:56. > :20:58.do that. The Government has got to get a grip... In principle, it

:20:59. > :21:02.sounds like you're saying, this is a good idea? Well, look, it is a good

:21:03. > :21:07.idea to make people who should pay, pay. But I don't think that the

:21:08. > :21:14.proposal of showing a passport really necessarily proves anything.

:21:15. > :21:19.What do you suggest? This is go Wye the Government has to get to grip

:21:20. > :21:23.with it. What is good practise where trusts are getting the money in with

:21:24. > :21:29.minimal intrusion to the patient. How are they doing that? That's what

:21:30. > :21:33.we got out of yesterday. Very little. Three years ago the target

:21:34. > :21:36.was set and there is no clear system in place, so you have got individual

:21:37. > :21:41.hospitals setting up their system and some working better than others,

:21:42. > :21:44.but no real magic way of making sure that overseas citizens pay and you

:21:45. > :21:49.are not at the same time denying British citizens access and that's

:21:50. > :21:54.the key thing. If you're British, you are entitled, you are resident

:21:55. > :21:58.you may not have a utility bill. What happens to them? You have got

:21:59. > :22:07.to really make sure you think carefully before rushing into a

:22:08. > :22:13.system like this. Professor Thomas? I submitted a 3,000 document to your

:22:14. > :22:20.committee and I did ask if I could appear? Not enough time, professor.

:22:21. > :22:25.It is a minimal infridgement, just because people don't have a passport

:22:26. > :22:32.or driving licence, they will have a utility bill. There are plenty of

:22:33. > :22:36.people who are living abroad who have got foreign passports, but they

:22:37. > :22:40.are resident this this country. Our NHS system is free access to the NHS

:22:41. > :22:45.is dependant on residency, not nationality. A utility bill is what

:22:46. > :22:49.it comes down to or something similar. I can't see why you object

:22:50. > :22:54.to that. Everybody has got a utility bill. I am a constituency MP in

:22:55. > :22:57.Central London. Many of my constituents don't often because

:22:58. > :23:01.they are young and live at home still with their parents or older

:23:02. > :23:05.people, people my age never lived independently because they can't

:23:06. > :23:08.afford to. I don't think we're disagreeing that people who should

:23:09. > :23:11.pay, who are foreign nationals who come here as visitors or whatever

:23:12. > :23:14.and don't qualify should certainly pay and there needs to be a question

:23:15. > :23:17.asked when they are this hospital, there needs to be a mechanism for

:23:18. > :23:20.getting that back. One of the things I would say as well, a lot of

:23:21. > :23:24.hospitals charge people, but getting the money in isn't working. So the

:23:25. > :23:29.Government has got to look at that if they are going to make sure

:23:30. > :23:33.people pay, it is no good sending a bill to someone after they have gone

:23:34. > :23:39.back to their country. Figures show that doesn't turn up. Invoices

:23:40. > :23:43.raised only 16% are honoured. But there is so much at stake. There is

:23:44. > :23:50.?1.5 billion at stake. We are talking about 2% of the NHS budget.

:23:51. > :23:54.So saying that, you're not going to allow people, it is an infringement

:23:55. > :23:58.to ask people to show identification. I think that foreign

:23:59. > :24:03.nationals should pay and there needs to be a system in place, but we need

:24:04. > :24:06.to make sure the system works and it is cost effective at the time of

:24:07. > :24:10.asking for any identification or whatever, but that it doesn't cut

:24:11. > :24:16.out other people. There just needs to be more thought into the process.

:24:17. > :24:20.And just not a free-for-all. I used to be the ID cards minister and

:24:21. > :24:23.passport minister so I have thought about it a lot as well. So there are

:24:24. > :24:29.real challenges about how we prove identity. The definition of a health

:24:30. > :24:33.tourist is someone who comes to this country with a preexisting illness

:24:34. > :24:38.and the purpose of their visit is to access free NHS care. These people

:24:39. > :24:43.have no intention of paying. There is no point in trying to establish

:24:44. > :24:47.the system to make them may for efficiently. What's really clear is

:24:48. > :24:51.when people with the visa and the student precharge, the health charge

:24:52. > :24:54.that's put on when you get a visa, no one asked the question, do you

:24:55. > :24:58.have a preexisting health condition? It would be reasonable to introduce

:24:59. > :25:01.that. But there is no discussion really about that happening at this

:25:02. > :25:05.stage and that would make a lot of sense and pick up the actual real

:25:06. > :25:08.health tourists who come with a condition thinking they're going to

:25:09. > :25:12.get it treated for free right before they arrive and that would be a good

:25:13. > :25:15.important step. This is from Paula. I worked at Lewisham Hospital. I had

:25:16. > :25:20.to get treatment over a period of time and this involved regular x-ray

:25:21. > :25:25.treatments while in the waiting room, at least half of the people

:25:26. > :25:28.were not residents in the UK, they were accompanied by their

:25:29. > :25:32.grandchildren who spoke to the receptionist. While talking to one

:25:33. > :25:37.young lad, he told me he was with his grandparents to came here to get

:25:38. > :25:41.treatment for various ailments. Alan says, "What about those who will

:25:42. > :25:44.never have passports?" You don't want to get obsessed with the

:25:45. > :25:46.passport issue. Thank you both. Thank you very much for coming on

:25:47. > :25:54.the programme. Gaming is a huge, huge

:25:55. > :25:56.industry for the UK. It's estimated to be worth around

:25:57. > :25:59.?4.2 billion and, in fact, Competitive gaming known as e-sports

:26:00. > :26:03.is growing massively in popularity. Thousands of people

:26:04. > :26:05.pack out Wembley Arena So why, at the biggest

:26:06. > :26:08.gaming awards last night, No women were nominated in any

:26:09. > :26:13.of the gaming categories either and now some professional female

:26:14. > :26:15.players are speaking out about what they feel

:26:16. > :26:18.is a culture of sexism. Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu

:26:19. > :26:29.was at the awards. It is one of the highlights of the

:26:30. > :26:32.year in the E sports community, but there was one big thing missing when

:26:33. > :26:40.it came to the nominations and winners of gaming categories. Women.

:26:41. > :26:44.Effectively you've got the Rory McIlroy, the Cristiano Ronaldo of

:26:45. > :26:51.e-sports in the room tonight and people need to start respecting

:26:52. > :26:54.their ability level. Martin works at G-Finity a company

:26:55. > :27:00.behind a number of tournaments around the world. The tournaments

:27:01. > :27:04.are just one of the ways gamers can make some money, but you won't find

:27:05. > :27:11.many women at the top ones. In fact you are more likely to find them

:27:12. > :27:15.battling at women-only events. Women in e-sports is a very rich subject

:27:16. > :27:19.and it is a very emotive subject and a lot more needs to be done to

:27:20. > :27:25.ensure if not only the perception changes that actually there is more

:27:26. > :27:29.participation opportunities. Women-only teams are a way around

:27:30. > :27:36.the lack of female competitors a the top. Team Secrets became the top

:27:37. > :27:39.female team in the world. There are no physical gownedries or gender

:27:40. > :27:42.boundaries, it is only if you're good enough at the Games. As long as

:27:43. > :27:44.you're good enough, you're good enough. More women should be

:27:45. > :27:49.involved. More women should want to be involved. More girls should talk

:27:50. > :27:56.about e-sports and just get stuck in. So is it as simple as women

:27:57. > :28:03.aren't good enough to be nominated? There were examples of females in

:28:04. > :28:08.e-sports at the top level. There is Scarlett a Starcraft player who

:28:09. > :28:13.earned over 160,000 inside tournament prize winnings. Not

:28:14. > :28:17.wanting to put words into your mouth, women aren't good enough at

:28:18. > :28:21.this particular point in time? If you want to sort of generalise then

:28:22. > :28:26.no. But there are women who are good enough, but there aren't enough of

:28:27. > :28:31.them to choose from. E-sports isn't on the same level as other major

:28:32. > :28:35.league sports, but it is a growing industry. They don't have that many

:28:36. > :28:39.events in their calendar year. Around 40,000 people though have

:28:40. > :28:45.been known to pack out venues just to watch a tournament live with

:28:46. > :28:50.millions tuning in online. Audience wise, it's around 82% men. There are

:28:51. > :28:53.calls though to try and get more girls in the grass-roots of the

:28:54. > :29:02.industry to change that and gamer numbers.

:29:03. > :29:05.We need for visibility given to women who are already in the

:29:06. > :29:09.industry who are doing really good work. People who are working as

:29:10. > :29:13.journalists or streamers or casters or professional players who don't

:29:14. > :29:19.have the same time in the spotlight who aren't given the same financial

:29:20. > :29:25.resources, who aren't offered the same sponsorship deals or platforms

:29:26. > :29:29.to becoming an influential member of the e-sports industry especially as

:29:30. > :29:33.so much of your success is dependant on being embraced by the grass-roots

:29:34. > :29:37.community and a lot of that is facilitated by the amount of

:29:38. > :29:40.visibility that you have on various digital platforms and women don't

:29:41. > :29:44.get those resources in the same amount that men do, unfortunately.

:29:45. > :29:49.Let's talk to Charleyy Hodson, who is a former gamer and now writes

:29:50. > :29:51.about it Josh Nino De Guzman, Director of Dexerto.com,

:29:52. > :29:55.a gaming website Melonie Mac who is a Professional Online Gamer.

:29:56. > :30:03.Welcome all of you. Is this a big deal, sn Yes. I think it can be a

:30:04. > :30:07.very big deal. Women deserve fair representation in everything in the

:30:08. > :30:11.entire world really. I think it's tough from the outside to understand

:30:12. > :30:18.why no women were nominated let alone that they didn't win. In that

:30:19. > :30:22.report Team Secret are one of the top female teams. They won four

:30:23. > :30:26.major tournaments this year, so they're there, but the question is,

:30:27. > :30:31.I don't like the wording, "Where they as good as the men?" There is a

:30:32. > :30:33.question to why the top women's team in the world wasn't classified or

:30:34. > :30:42.mentioned at the awards. Some people think female gamers

:30:43. > :30:50.cannot be as good as men? There is no data to prove that. Any data from

:30:51. > :30:56.the past is perpetuating stereotypes. There is not as much of

:30:57. > :31:01.a crisis as people think. Traditional media are putting a

:31:02. > :31:09.negative spin on it. Including us. One of the judges was involved in

:31:10. > :31:13.the process, the woman, so it is not as though they are a complete

:31:14. > :31:20.anomaly. Fewer females compete, so there is a smaller pool of talent.

:31:21. > :31:26.Men are better represented. The way Jost describes it, is that right,

:31:27. > :31:31.there are fewer female gamers? There are more female gamers playing

:31:32. > :31:36.games. It is 50-50. But this is a splinter of that. What is tougher

:31:37. > :31:43.than a lot of females is that the community can be toxic, and so the

:31:44. > :31:49.accessibility, putting yourself out there, it can be intimidating for a

:31:50. > :31:54.lot of girls. All of the trolls and stuff like that make it difficult.

:31:55. > :32:00.The more that we have accessible female leagues, that makes it easier

:32:01. > :32:03.for a lot of the girls who would be intimidated to jump in, and from

:32:04. > :32:09.there get the confidence to jump into the regularly. Is that systemic

:32:10. > :32:21.sexism, not unique to one particular brands? I don't think this, a lot of

:32:22. > :32:25.people do. I can see that point, but as a whole, I just think that a lot

:32:26. > :32:30.of girls that I talked to who are really good at games and who I would

:32:31. > :32:33.encourage to compete, they are just like, it is intimidating because

:32:34. > :32:41.people are mean, and the environment makes it difficult. What kind of

:32:42. > :32:47.comments are toxic? A lot of general sexist comments, inappropriate

:32:48. > :32:54.comments about showing parts of your body, people suggesting that you do

:32:55. > :33:01.that, all kinds of inappropriate, uncomfortable things. People online

:33:02. > :33:05.are mean to everyone. You would not say it in person. Women are

:33:06. > :33:15.chastised whether they are dressed regularly or whether they are using

:33:16. > :33:23.their assets. As a whole, it is mail bomber noted. -- dominated by men. I

:33:24. > :33:27.stream video games. Almost the entire audience is mail, there is a

:33:28. > :33:32.much smaller fraction of female viewers. I can see how it is

:33:33. > :33:37.intimidating for girls. I deal with the comments, it is fine, I don't

:33:38. > :33:41.let it bring me down, but a lot of girls are not used to that, they

:33:42. > :33:46.have not put themselves in that situation. It would be nice if they

:33:47. > :33:50.had more accessible female leagues that they could join and feel

:33:51. > :33:57.comfortable, and from there get it to the men's. You have to understand

:33:58. > :34:03.the point from some of the guys, especially some of those who protest

:34:04. > :34:05.against misogyny, there is no segregation in tournaments, so the

:34:06. > :34:13.overall prize pool available to women is higher, if they are female

:34:14. > :34:20.only leagues. That is a good point. There is no clear answer, the

:34:21. > :34:23.perfect way. But I feel that in order to get more of a female

:34:24. > :34:33.presence, something like that would help. I do agree. The question comes

:34:34. > :34:38.down to, with the boards or things on how people are registered and

:34:39. > :34:44.find each other, on YouTube, all women being fairly represented as a

:34:45. > :34:49.majority of people, our mail channels being represented, and when

:34:50. > :34:52.it comes to the awards, the report said it is difficult to find female

:34:53. > :34:56.players, but it is not that difficult, because there are women

:34:57. > :35:08.out there. Melanie is there. It is a question of whether they look to

:35:09. > :35:15.find women to go in there. You can find out more on the BBC

:35:16. > :35:19.News website, in the 100 Women series.

:35:20. > :35:24.People with in curable diseases are losing part or all of their benefits

:35:25. > :35:29.after being reassessed. And, Ukip's leader has welcomed

:35:30. > :35:33.Donald Trump's suggestion that he would do a great job as Britain's

:35:34. > :35:37.ambassador to the US, despite their getting no vacancy. We will get the

:35:38. > :35:40.reaction here. Here's the BBC Newsroom

:35:41. > :35:42.with a summary of today's news. The NHS is considering requiring

:35:43. > :35:45.patients in England to produce two forms of identification,

:35:46. > :35:48.including a passport, before they receive some types

:35:49. > :35:51.of non-emergency treatment. It's an attempt to reduce the cost

:35:52. > :35:54.to the service of treating patients from abroad,

:35:55. > :36:10.which currently stands Labour will oppose the move, they

:36:11. > :36:14.say NHS staff not border guards. A spokesman from the BMA says puzzles

:36:15. > :36:21.go far. Nigel Farage has said he is in a

:36:22. > :36:24.good position to help the law -- help after Donald Trump's call for

:36:25. > :36:30.him to be British ambassador to the US. He said many people wanted him

:36:31. > :36:34.to be the UK's senior diplomat in Washington. Downing Street has made

:36:35. > :36:37.clear there is not a vacancy. The amount that the Government has

:36:38. > :36:42.to borrow to plug the gap between its income and spending shrank in

:36:43. > :36:47.October to ?4.8 billion, down by a quarter prepared with the same month

:36:48. > :36:48.a year ago. The figures from the ONS were better than most economists had

:36:49. > :36:50.predicted. According to reports

:36:51. > :36:53.in the US media, Kanye West has been hospitalised,

:36:54. > :36:54.suffering from exhaustion. The news comes after the musician

:36:55. > :36:56.abruptly cancelled the remainder of his live tour following a week

:36:57. > :37:00.of no-shows, curtailed concerts Join me for BBC

:37:01. > :37:21.Newsroom Live at 11am. I have had this e-mail from Keith,

:37:22. > :37:23.it is quite long. I have been fighting the Department for Work and

:37:24. > :37:28.Pensions for nearly two years without any payments, because I

:37:29. > :37:32.cannot get to my health assessment. Even though I have the right

:37:33. > :37:36.letters, the medical certificates, severe problems with my feet, which

:37:37. > :37:41.have left me unable to walk, and I cannot get out of the house, due to

:37:42. > :37:45.mental health problems. I have the MP on the case, but I have had no

:37:46. > :37:50.luck. I don't have family and friends live in other areas, social

:37:51. > :37:54.services have turned me down. I wish I could be sent to Europe so I could

:37:55. > :37:58.be euthanised. You would not treat a dog like I have been treated. I I'm

:37:59. > :38:04.in debt, the council want to evict me because of the arrears, I have a

:38:05. > :38:07.carer, but she has to go home to Canada, because of a family

:38:08. > :38:12.emergency. I had not eaten since Saturday until yesterday. I had wet

:38:13. > :38:17.the bed and been in this state since Saturday. The DWP say I am fit to

:38:18. > :38:21.work. Organisations in South Yorkshire have failed me. I am

:38:22. > :38:25.desperate, I just want to end my life. We will talk to a Conservative

:38:26. > :38:31.MP in the next half an hour about the fact that so many people with

:38:32. > :38:35.deteriorating conditions are being refused the mobility part of their

:38:36. > :38:38.personal independence payment, so stay with us for that.

:38:39. > :38:40.Here's Hugh now with the morning sports headlines.

:38:41. > :38:43.Gareth Southgate is going to have to wait until next Wednesday to see

:38:44. > :38:46.The decision to make his interview yesterday public has

:38:47. > :38:50.But former FA executive Adrian Bevington says it

:38:51. > :38:55.But does Southgate make perfect sense, especially now

:38:56. > :39:01.It's reported he was interviewed in the summer before

:39:02. > :39:08.He's now available, having been sacked by the United States.

:39:09. > :39:11.West Brom are up to ninth in the Premier League table.

:39:12. > :39:12.They beat Burnley 4-0 in the Premier League last night.

:39:13. > :39:15.The International Cricket Council has fined South Africa captain Faf

:39:16. > :39:19.du Plessis 100% of his match fee after being found guilty of ball

:39:20. > :39:23.tampering during the second Test against Australia in Hobart,

:39:24. > :39:30.but is free to play in the third Test.

:39:31. > :39:37.I will be back with more through the day on BBC News.

:39:38. > :39:41.I think it's fair to say that Downing Street are less than pleased

:39:42. > :39:44.with President-elect Donald Trump's suggestion that the current Ukip

:39:45. > :39:49.leader Nigel Farage would do a great job as British ambassador to the US.

:39:50. > :39:56.That is the last thing that number ten want in any circumstances. I

:39:57. > :40:03.suspect their jaws hit the floor when Donald Trump came out with this

:40:04. > :40:20.idea in a random tweet. Here it is. What does he say?

:40:21. > :40:29.You know the moth that was flapping around Theresa May yesterday at the

:40:30. > :40:35.CBI? Nigel Farage is a bit like that. She is trying to get rid of

:40:36. > :40:39.him, but he keeps coming back. This morning, number ten had to think,

:40:40. > :40:44.how do we respond to this? Who do have the president of the knighted

:40:45. > :40:47.States, you don't want to annoy him, because he is trying to build good

:40:48. > :40:54.relations, but you have got to rebuff and killed this idea. If you

:40:55. > :40:58.don't, there will be political uproar, it will cause turmoil in the

:40:59. > :41:03.Tory party, half the diplomatic corps will say, pack my bags, I will

:41:04. > :41:07.not carry on with this if Nigel Farage will get the top job. They

:41:08. > :41:15.had to kill the idea. They said in a very brief statement, there is no

:41:16. > :41:18.vacancy, a line reiterated by the Brexit secretary David Davis, who

:41:19. > :41:21.was over in Strasbourg this morning. Look at the smile on his face as he

:41:22. > :41:23.was asked about the question. Do you think a President-elect

:41:24. > :41:26.in the United States has any role in suggesting who a British

:41:27. > :41:28.ambassador should be? We are believers in free speech,

:41:29. > :41:32.but we have a good ambassador, People can say what they like,

:41:33. > :41:41.the truth is there is no vacancy. The ambassador is very good,

:41:42. > :41:54.as we have seen already, I love the grim smile, they are

:41:55. > :42:00.dreading questions about this. As the Nigel Farage, I spoke to him

:42:01. > :42:04.this morning. He says that when he was in trouble tower the other day,

:42:05. > :42:13.you remember the picture of him and Donald Trump, no mention of this at

:42:14. > :42:21.all. He had a few more observations in an article this morning. He said,

:42:22. > :42:25.nothing could have prepared me. Donald Trump tweeted out I would do

:42:26. > :42:31.a great job of the UK's ambassador to Washington. His view is that

:42:32. > :42:35.everything has changed, with Brexit and more trump's victory, and

:42:36. > :42:39.because he has good relations with Donald Trump, Theresa May ought to

:42:40. > :42:44.take advantage of it. There was support from some of his former

:42:45. > :42:48.colleagues, Steven Woolfe, the former Ukip leadership contender, he

:42:49. > :42:54.expressed his support for the idea. I think Donald Trump has got his own

:42:55. > :42:59.views on how he has a relationship with Britain, he gets on well with

:43:00. > :43:04.Nigel Farage, whether Nigel would make a good ambassador would be up

:43:05. > :43:09.to the Government being able to decide whether he could carry out

:43:10. > :43:15.Government policy. I don't know, things are in a changing world.

:43:16. > :43:19.Where does this leave us? It leaves Nigel Farage feeling pretty

:43:20. > :43:24.cock-a-hoop. I suspect it leaves Britain's ambassador in the US

:43:25. > :43:32.feeling a bit awkward, when he now has to deal with Donald Trump. For

:43:33. > :43:33.Downing Street, they will be thinking, when we hear no more of

:43:34. > :43:37.Nigel Farage? One of Donald Trump's biggest

:43:38. > :43:39.supporters, the right-wing journalist Milo Yiannopoulos,

:43:40. > :43:43.has been barred from speaking at his former

:43:44. > :43:46.grammar school in Kent. Simon Langton Grammar School

:43:47. > :43:49.For Boys has cancelled the address to sixth-formers due to take place

:43:50. > :43:49.today after being contacted by the Department for

:43:50. > :43:53.Education's Counter-Extremism Unit. Mr Yiannopoulos is a senior editor

:43:54. > :43:57.for Breitbart, the American Well, now we can talk to three

:43:58. > :44:06.students from Simon Langton Grammar, Joining us from our studio

:44:07. > :44:11.in Tunbridge Wells in Alex Leney, who disagrees with the decision

:44:12. > :44:14.to ban Milo from speaking, and in Canterbury we have

:44:15. > :44:16.Frank Roche, also a student, who thinks it was right that Milo

:44:17. > :44:29.was banned from giving his speech. We also have a student who was due

:44:30. > :44:37.to attend the talk and thinks he should have been given chance to

:44:38. > :44:43.talk. Why were so many people in favour of this? Most people at the

:44:44. > :44:48.school had a general disagreement with him, and were not necessarily

:44:49. > :44:53.just going because they agreed with him, they just wanted to hear his

:44:54. > :45:00.ideas put out there, so they could be challenged and because the school

:45:01. > :45:04.has such a great tradition of bringing guest speakers of all

:45:05. > :45:09.varieties, to challenge students and to be challenged by students. Do you

:45:10. > :45:19.know who contacted the counter extremism unit? I don't. Did you

:45:20. > :45:23.know why? Note. Milo is an extreme figure. His views don't deserve to

:45:24. > :45:27.be given a platform, he should not have been invited in the first

:45:28. > :45:32.place. Whether it was right to cancel it now, I don't know, but he

:45:33. > :45:36.should not have been invited. Why do you say that he should not have been

:45:37. > :45:42.invited because his views are extreme? To give him a platform is

:45:43. > :45:49.to give him legitimacy, it say his views deserve to be debated. He says

:45:50. > :45:52.that transgender people are mentally ill, he equates feminism with

:45:53. > :45:56.cancer, he suggested that Jewish people control the world. These are

:45:57. > :46:01.not opinions, these are vile expressions. They should not be

:46:02. > :46:05.aired anywhere, it is not about the students at this school, it is about

:46:06. > :46:14.society, fascism, and he is a fascist.

:46:15. > :46:21.What do you say to frank? It is ludicrous to start throwing these

:46:22. > :46:25.phrases around like fascism. If I was making my case that he should be

:46:26. > :46:29.allowed to speak because he isn't a fascist, for sure that would be a

:46:30. > :46:34.valid argument, but it isn't because it is irrelevant whether or not he

:46:35. > :46:40.is? What do you say to your fellow student, Frank? Yes, so I think that

:46:41. > :46:45.the important thing is that actually, if it is important that

:46:46. > :46:49.society listen to people who have different opinions and by, you know,

:46:50. > :46:53.giving Milo a platform as people say, I think it means that we also

:46:54. > :46:56.get a platform to be able to challenge his views. Now, I would

:46:57. > :47:01.disagree when it is said that he is a fascist. I think that's pretty

:47:02. > :47:05.much ridiculous, but I think a lot of the people did disagree with his

:47:06. > :47:08.views and it is important that we are able to channel the questions

:47:09. > :47:11.that we had for him, but because of the cancellation of the event

:47:12. > :47:16.unfortunately we won't be able to actually challenge his views.

:47:17. > :47:20.Frank, aren't you in the least bit curious to question him and ask him

:47:21. > :47:25.where his views come from? Oh, certainly. There will always be

:47:26. > :47:30.curiosity and the majority of students who wanted to go to the

:47:31. > :47:33.debate were curious and some wanted to go for entertainment purposes,

:47:34. > :47:36.but the fact that remains that sometimes the denial of freedom to

:47:37. > :47:42.some is the extension of freedom to others. Milo, I have said that Milo

:47:43. > :47:47.has offended transgender people and said they are mentally ill and the

:47:48. > :47:51.suicide rates of transgender people are extremely high. It is a high

:47:52. > :47:55.proportion. Milo is probably not going to kill himself because he

:47:56. > :47:59.can't come and talk at my school, but a transgender person may well

:48:00. > :48:03.take their own life because of what Milo says and what he claims. This

:48:04. > :48:06.is serious. It is quite a middle-class privileged debate.

:48:07. > :48:10.There are people who are being affected right now, here and in

:48:11. > :48:15.America because of Donald Trump and his regime that's about to come and

:48:16. > :48:18.take power because of these opinions, these are not acceptable

:48:19. > :48:19.opinions. Thank you, all of you, thank you

:48:20. > :48:24.very much. Thousands of people living

:48:25. > :48:26.with degenerative conditions - like dementia, Parkinson's

:48:27. > :48:28.and multiple sclerosis - are losing part or all

:48:29. > :48:30.of their disability benefits after being reassessed

:48:31. > :48:32.and told their health is improving. This programme has learnt that

:48:33. > :48:35.many of those with incurable conditions applying

:48:36. > :48:36.for the mobility element of Personal Independence Payment

:48:37. > :48:38.are having their awards reduced - something that charities and patient

:48:39. > :48:41.groups have told us The Government says that assessments

:48:42. > :48:50.are carried out by qualified health professionals and overall more

:48:51. > :48:52.people are getting the highest We bought you Jim Red's full report

:48:53. > :48:56.earlier in the programme - It's like having a really bad dose

:48:57. > :49:05.of the flu and you can't move Eight years ago she was diagnosed

:49:06. > :49:15.with Parkinson's disease. Diane has difficulty

:49:16. > :49:16.walking, but when she's on the right medication,

:49:17. > :49:19.she can drive short distances. I did mention to my family that

:49:20. > :49:21.I was a bit worried, because I'd learned of people losing

:49:22. > :49:24.the mobility part of their All my family said, "That

:49:25. > :49:28.won't happen to you, because you've got a debilitating disease

:49:29. > :49:31.that is not going to get any better. And I was absolutely gobsmacked

:49:32. > :49:34.when the letter came. There's a lot of paperwork

:49:35. > :49:36.in those! For seven years, Diane received

:49:37. > :49:41.Disability Living Allowance, but DLA is slowly being phased out,

:49:42. > :49:45.replaced by the Personal Diane was told her needs had changed

:49:46. > :49:58.and the amount she received for getting around fell from ?57

:49:59. > :50:00.a week to zero. Without the disability allowance,

:50:01. > :50:02.I couldn't have a car, because I haven't

:50:03. > :50:04.got any extra money. It took my independence

:50:05. > :50:32.away, totally. Diane received a new car. He was

:50:33. > :50:37.relieved for me. I think I was just relieved it was over really. Faced

:50:38. > :50:41.with a growing bill for disability payments the Government has been

:50:42. > :50:45.tightening the rules. Under the old DLA scheme 82% of people with

:50:46. > :50:49.Parkinson's were receiving the full mobility payment. Under PIP that's

:50:50. > :50:56.dropped to 40%. It is the same basic pattern with other diseases like

:50:57. > :51:00.multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis. The Government says more

:51:01. > :51:07.people receive the highest rate of support under PIP and more people

:51:08. > :51:10.with MS and osteoarthritis and parkens are receiving the highest

:51:11. > :51:15.daily rate that, wouldn't include the mobility allowance. We first met

:51:16. > :51:21.Withinedy Mitchell last year when she appeared in a film about early

:51:22. > :51:28.onset dementia. I'd forget the most silly of words and that was when

:51:29. > :51:46.something hit me that t wasn't quite right. My life has changed simply

:51:47. > :51:53.from the fact that I probably was able simply to talk about anything

:51:54. > :51:58.and everything, but now I have lots of notes. Wendy never received DLA.

:51:59. > :52:04.She was one of the first to be moved straight on to PIP. Under the

:52:05. > :52:08.current system, she still has to be reassessed every 18 months.

:52:09. > :52:13.When her latest decision came through, she was told her needs had

:52:14. > :52:21.changed and her entire benefit to be cut from ?7 # a week to nothing. I

:52:22. > :52:27.got the shocking letter that told me that I was no longer going to get

:52:28. > :52:35.any payment whatsoever and a list of all the things that I was apparently

:52:36. > :52:39.better at than I was 18 months previously which was ridiculous. I

:52:40. > :52:45.wish I was better. Who wouldn't when they've got dementia?

:52:46. > :52:49.A group of charities is now calling for ministers to scrap unnecessary

:52:50. > :52:52.repeated reassessments for people living with diseases like

:52:53. > :52:56.Parkinson's and dementia. The Government says the PIP system is

:52:57. > :52:59.better than the one it replaced and overall, it is spending more on

:53:00. > :53:03.disability benefits each year. Let's speak now to Laura Wetherly,

:53:04. > :53:06.who is from the MS Society. Richard Graham, Conservative MP

:53:07. > :53:08.and member of the Work John Stillitz, who has MS

:53:09. > :53:12.and severe difficulty walking. He is appealing against cuts

:53:13. > :53:19.to his mobility benefits. Welcome all of you. Richard, can you

:53:20. > :53:22.tell me how it is possible for someone with a progressive

:53:23. > :53:29.condition, ie, one that's getting worse, like MS, or dementia, to

:53:30. > :53:34.apparently get better? I think the general idea behind moving from DLA

:53:35. > :53:41.to PIP was to try and focus getting the money on the people who need it

:53:42. > :53:45.had the most. I'm asking you how a degenerative condition can get

:53:46. > :53:50.better? I agree. Sometimes tb stabilise so it should stay the

:53:51. > :53:54.same, but where it is deteriorating what should happen under PIP is

:53:55. > :53:57.people should get more money as it gets worse, but there are cases

:53:58. > :54:01.where, you know, this doesn't happen well. The process falls down and

:54:02. > :54:08.that's why the appeal system is there.

:54:09. > :54:10.Anybody with MS, dementia or Parkinson's, whether they're

:54:11. > :54:14.stabilised or not, it is just going to get worse. I mean, don't you

:54:15. > :54:20.think you're on the wrong side of the moral argument here? I think

:54:21. > :54:23.every situation is genuinely different. Individuals are

:54:24. > :54:27.different. I have been through this myself because my mother had

:54:28. > :54:30.dementia for a long time and eventually died of it and that's why

:54:31. > :54:35.you've got to have some form of assessment by people who are

:54:36. > :54:41.knowledgeable, who understand... Are you sure they're knowledgeable?

:54:42. > :54:44.Because they keep making mistakes? 65% of people are getting their

:54:45. > :54:51.original decision overturned on appeal? Well, the DWP tell me that

:54:52. > :54:57.6% of people eligible for PIP appeal and about 3% of them are successful.

:54:58. > :55:00.Every individual, like John, who is appealing, is one too many, but at

:55:01. > :55:05.least there is a system there and the numbers are not that high in

:55:06. > :55:10.overall percentage terms. It is just no consolation to say at least you

:55:11. > :55:14.can appeal. Wendy Mitchell, who you saw in our film, is so demoralised

:55:15. > :55:20.by the whole process, she is clearly getting worse. She appeared on our

:55:21. > :55:24.programme 18 months ago, we are not health professionals and we can see

:55:25. > :55:28.she is deteriorating and she says, "I am so demoralised, I can't go

:55:29. > :55:32.through this appeal. I can't do it." Look, in that situation I would

:55:33. > :55:38.strongly advice her to go to her MP for help. Why should she have to?

:55:39. > :55:43.She has got dementia. She is getting worse. Yes. Sure. But, listen,

:55:44. > :55:47.politicians aren't responsible for the assessments, you've got to have

:55:48. > :55:50.a system... They're responsible for employing the assessors and putting

:55:51. > :55:55.the criteria in place. Indeed. So you've got to have a system where

:55:56. > :56:00.somebody decides whose case is the most serious and who deserves the

:56:01. > :56:04.most money? No system is going to be perfect, but if it not working as

:56:05. > :56:07.clearly as it should do, we've got to make it better. There are some

:56:08. > :56:10.things that could be improved, you have different assessments for PIP

:56:11. > :56:16.and for the work capability assessment. I don't see any reason

:56:17. > :56:19.why those can't be merged so that you only have one assessment that

:56:20. > :56:25.would reduce the amount of stress for individuals concerned. There is

:56:26. > :56:29.another aspect about mobility. If the assessors decide that you're not

:56:30. > :56:35.eligible for the maximum mobility allowance and therefore, your car

:56:36. > :56:41.will be taken away, you're given seven weeks before that car is taken

:56:42. > :56:44.away. OK. It doesn't give you enough time to have an appeal and maybe

:56:45. > :56:48.keep your car and I think that's maybe something that the Government

:56:49. > :56:52.should look at. It happened to you John, you have had your mobility car

:56:53. > :57:00.removed, how does that impact on you? To correct, I was in touch with

:57:01. > :57:05.the motability people. They were really helpful. I told them I was

:57:06. > :57:10.going through the appeal process and they said, "Keep us informed. Best

:57:11. > :57:17.of luck basically." We are obliged to send out the standard letter from

:57:18. > :57:21.the computer to say we will, we are terminating the agreement. You're a

:57:22. > :57:27.proud man. How does it make you feel to go through this? To say it is hue

:57:28. > :57:33.millnating. I understand there is the need to have a system, but my

:57:34. > :57:38.condition is progressively going to get worse and I know that if I have

:57:39. > :57:43.the opportunity for another car, it would probably be one that I need to

:57:44. > :57:47.ramp so I can put a scooter into so I can keep my mobility wherever I

:57:48. > :57:51.go. It is frustrating. It is embarrassing because you are pouring

:57:52. > :58:01.your heart out almost, you know, to some stranger who comes in and then

:58:02. > :58:07.does not record things accurately so that I do feel extremely frustrated

:58:08. > :58:11.and you highlighted cases. Laura, I've hardly left you any time. How

:58:12. > :58:16.big a problem is this? It is a really big problem. MS affects over

:58:17. > :58:21.100,000 people in the UK and causes symptoms that affect how people,

:58:22. > :58:25.see, think and feel. Over 1,000 people with MS have had their

:58:26. > :58:28.mobility support downgraded since the introduction of PIP and that's

:58:29. > :58:33.down to a number of things that aren't making sense. First of all

:58:34. > :58:38.the criteria changed from DLA to Personal Independence Payment and we

:58:39. > :58:47.are calling on the Government to reflect those barriers.

:58:48. > :58:49.Decisions are made following consideration of all the information

:58:50. > :58:51.provided by the claimant, including supporting evidence

:58:52. > :58:53.from their GP or medical specialist."

:58:54. > :58:59.Sorry for not giving you more time. Thank you for your time as well.

:59:00. > :59:03.We're back tomorrow at 9am. Have a good afternoon.

:59:04. > :59:06.The most daunting of cookery challenges is back.

:59:07. > :59:09.It's not as simple as it first appears, is it?