24/11/2016

:00:08. > :00:19.The NSPCC opens a hotline for victims of sexual abuse

:00:20. > :00:21.in football as the FA urges more men to come forward.

:00:22. > :00:23.The former Manchester City and England player David White

:00:24. > :00:25.is the latest former professional to go public.

:00:26. > :00:35.I salute Andy Wood, Steve Walters and Paul Stewart for waving

:00:36. > :00:38.anonymity in order to reveal their personal tragedies.

:00:39. > :00:41.The family of one of the young men murdered by serial killer

:00:42. > :00:45.Stephen Port tell us they hold the police partly to blame

:00:46. > :00:48.for assuming he'd died of a drug overdose.

:00:49. > :00:59.These people that didn't do their job, in our eyes they are partly

:01:00. > :01:00.responsible. That is how we feel as a family because they played a part

:01:01. > :01:02.in it. The latest figures on violence

:01:03. > :01:04.at football matches We'll talk to one fan who's been

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:01:48. > :01:50.Our top story today: A helpline has opened this morning for footballers

:01:51. > :01:52.who have been victims of sexual assault.

:01:53. > :01:55.It's being run by the NSPCC and has the backing

:01:56. > :01:58.Four former players have now gone public to say

:01:59. > :02:01.The charity and the FA strongly suspect more people have been

:02:02. > :02:04.targeted in the past and are urging others to speak up.

:02:05. > :02:12.I knew that I had to tell my story and the truth

:02:13. > :02:17.about what happened to me as a youngster.

:02:18. > :02:20.I hope the football world are listening to this.

:02:21. > :02:34.The painful accounts of careers overshadowed,

:02:35. > :02:38.And over the last week, more have come forward

:02:39. > :02:46.Steve Walters was Crewe Alexandra's youngest player.

:02:47. > :02:48.Last night, David White, former Man City and England player,

:02:49. > :02:52.They say they were victims of coach and scout Barry Bennell,

:02:53. > :03:00.a paedophile jailed in the late '90s.

:03:01. > :03:03.But abuse in football is thought to have been much more widespread.

:03:04. > :03:06.The game has that duty of care to explore what did happen,

:03:07. > :03:09.why it was allowed to happen and the numbers and to make sure,

:03:10. > :03:12.at least, that if there was not that care for those youngsters

:03:13. > :03:19.then, that there is now and that's put in place.

:03:20. > :03:21.So now a new helpline provided by the NSPCC,

:03:22. > :03:26.What we want to do is to change the culture in football.

:03:27. > :03:32.We want men and young boys who may have been victims of sexual

:03:33. > :03:34.abuse to feel that they can adequately come forward,

:03:35. > :03:41.The police are already dealing with complaints in double figures.

:03:42. > :03:56.Dan is here now. Where are we up to with the numbers of those that have

:03:57. > :03:59.come forward to talk to us, newspapers and Cheshire police? We

:04:00. > :04:03.know that the police are dealing with 11 complaints now. The

:04:04. > :04:07.professional footballers associations say they have spoken to

:04:08. > :04:12.more than ten former players who have made complaints. Four people

:04:13. > :04:14.have gone public, waving their rights to anonymity. After Andy

:04:15. > :04:19.Woodward spoke to you in the studio last week, we have had complaints

:04:20. > :04:23.from Steve Walters, the youngest ever player for Crewe Alexandra, and

:04:24. > :04:29.he said he was also abused by Barry Bennell, the coach and scout at that

:04:30. > :04:34.time. And David White telling his story to the papers last night, the

:04:35. > :04:37.former England and Manchester City player, saying he was subjected to

:04:38. > :04:42.abuse at the hands of Barry Bennell. Paul Stewart has given his account

:04:43. > :04:47.of abuse at the hands of another coach. These stories are emerging

:04:48. > :04:51.after many years. Hence the hotline. Yes, that is what the NSPCC are

:04:52. > :04:55.launching today. They are working with the Football Association to

:04:56. > :05:00.give a dedicated hotline open 24 hours a day for anyone who may have

:05:01. > :05:06.experienced abuse or had suspicions about what was going on in football

:05:07. > :05:08.clubs in the 80s, 70s, the 90s. There are experts and former players

:05:09. > :05:22.will be able to get the advice they need and they will be able to

:05:23. > :05:25.pass on the evidence to the police to help with their investigation

:05:26. > :05:27.which seems to be growing and unfolding. Barry Bennell also

:05:28. > :05:30.coached Gary speed when he was a young boy. When he was Wales

:05:31. > :05:32.manager, he took his own life. Have his family said anything about the

:05:33. > :05:36.latest revelations? They have not said anything in the last week. It

:05:37. > :05:40.is five years since Gary Speed took his own life and at the inquest this

:05:41. > :05:42.connection with Barry Bennell was brought up at that time and there

:05:43. > :05:47.were questions about the relationship they had had at the

:05:48. > :05:50.start of his career. Barry Bennell admitted that Gary Speed had stayed

:05:51. > :05:54.at his house at that time but his family said there was no evidence to

:05:55. > :05:59.suggest that Gary Speed had been a victim and police that he was not

:06:00. > :06:05.part of the investigation which resulted in Barry Bennell going to

:06:06. > :06:07.prison and there is no reason to think the connection with Barry

:06:08. > :06:10.Bennell could have led to Gary's death, but it has been raised again

:06:11. > :06:13.as all these stories are coming out. It looks like this investigation

:06:14. > :06:24.will grow and grow and we are sure to hear more stories of people who

:06:25. > :06:29.have suffered doing football. Thank you. That is the NSPCC hotline. And

:06:30. > :06:33.Steve Walters, who came forward to the Guardian this week after hearing

:06:34. > :06:38.Andy Woodward's account, will be on this programme tomorrow at 9:15am,

:06:39. > :06:39.giving his first television interview. Now the rest of the

:06:40. > :06:47.morning's news. Good morning. Ministers have defended gloomy

:06:48. > :06:49.independent forecasts for the economy published

:06:50. > :06:51.in the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, in the face of fierce

:06:52. > :06:53.criticism from some Conservatives. Several prominent backbenchers

:06:54. > :06:55.have attacked the Office for Budget Responsibility

:06:56. > :06:57.for predicting that leaving the EU will cost Britain

:06:58. > :06:59.about ?60 billion over five years. Here's our political

:07:00. > :07:08.correspondent Ben Wright: The summer's referendum

:07:09. > :07:10.was months ago. But the decision to leave the EU

:07:11. > :07:12.will shape politics And the short-term outlook

:07:13. > :07:16.is gloomy. The Chancellor headed to Parliament

:07:17. > :07:19.to report slower growth and rising A ?60 billion hit to the public

:07:20. > :07:29.finances because of Brexit. Our task now is to

:07:30. > :07:32.prepare our economy to be and match fit for the transition

:07:33. > :07:37.that will follow. The government hasn't decided

:07:38. > :07:41.what sort of trade deal it wants to try and strike with the EU

:07:42. > :07:45.after we leave and there is huge Some Tory MPs said the numbers

:07:46. > :07:52.were far too pessimistic. The OBR are probably

:07:53. > :07:54.still quite wrong about 2017. Their borrowing

:07:55. > :08:03.forecast far too high. And we will get good access

:08:04. > :08:05.to the single market The Chancellor has given

:08:06. > :08:09.himself room to borrow more Labour said the government's

:08:10. > :08:12.economic plan had collapsed. After all the sacrifices people have

:08:13. > :08:16.made over the last six years, I fear today's statement has

:08:17. > :08:18.laid the foundations Beyond Brexit, there

:08:19. > :08:23.are other political question What about the government's

:08:24. > :08:28.promise to raise the state The Chancellor said the triple lock

:08:29. > :08:36.guarantee was safe until 2020, but the costs of an ageing

:08:37. > :08:38.population could mean The Autumn Statement had no new cash

:08:39. > :08:44.for the NHS or social care and the funding of both

:08:45. > :08:46.is a long-term headache But it's the impact of Brexit

:08:47. > :08:51.that is going to keep the Chancellor More on what this means

:08:52. > :09:08.now from Norman Smith Several pro-Brexit Conservatives are

:09:09. > :09:14.saying this is just a forecast, not a fact. A furious row has broken out

:09:15. > :09:20.over the OBR's assessment of what will happen to the economy, with

:09:21. > :09:25.some in the Brexit camp saying it is far, far too gloomy. All the signs

:09:26. > :09:31.are that people are still spending, the economy is doing better than

:09:32. > :09:34.expected, and this is more of what became known as project fear. The

:09:35. > :09:39.Treasury on the other hand is standing by the OBR forecast, which

:09:40. > :09:45.it has to be said is pretty dire, suggesting that debt will reach a

:09:46. > :09:48.record level and the deficit is disappearing into never-never land

:09:49. > :09:54.and living standards will fall and there will be a rise of unemployment

:09:55. > :09:58.of 100000 and on and on. Now the Treasury are standing by this report

:09:59. > :10:02.but what is striking is the extent to which the Autumn Statement has in

:10:03. > :10:09.effect become round two of the Brexit referendum. Thank you.

:10:10. > :10:13.Well, at 11:30am this morning on the BBC News Channel

:10:14. > :10:15.you can put your questions about the Autumn Statement

:10:16. > :10:19.We'll be joined by Mike Spicer from the British Chambers

:10:20. > :10:23.of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance

:10:24. > :10:25.journalist Sarah Pennells and Hugh Stickland from

:10:26. > :10:29.You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using

:10:30. > :10:34.A health trust has apologised after shocking details emerged

:10:35. > :10:36.of a series of failures in maternity care at two hospitals.

:10:37. > :10:42.of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance

:10:43. > :10:44.An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General

:10:45. > :10:47.hospitals was only made public after an investigation

:10:48. > :10:51.The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely

:10:52. > :10:54.was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal.

:10:55. > :10:57.In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms,

:10:58. > :10:58.believing instead she had mental health issues.

:10:59. > :11:01.The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospital,

:11:02. > :11:11.The police watchdog is investigating hundreds of allegations of police

:11:12. > :11:13.failures relating to child sexual abuse cases

:11:14. > :11:15.in England and Wales, according to figures obtained

:11:16. > :11:19.New figures show 27 inquiries have been completed.

:11:20. > :11:24.It could mean disciplinary action for up to 15 officers.

:11:25. > :11:26.The Independent Police Complaints Commission says it continues

:11:27. > :11:47.Martin Schultz says he will not seek re-election in January. He says he

:11:48. > :11:51.will return to politics in his native Germany. It is widely

:11:52. > :11:54.expected that he will challenge Angela Merkel in next year's general

:11:55. > :12:00.election. His successor as European Parliament President next will be

:12:01. > :12:04.appointed next year. The use of online dating sites

:12:05. > :12:07.and apps has been associated with hundreds of cases of sexual

:12:08. > :12:10.assault each year, according The warning comes after Stephen Port

:12:11. > :12:14.was found guilty of murdering four The 41-year-old poisoned his victims

:12:15. > :12:17.at his flat using Scotland Yard is now reviewing

:12:18. > :12:32.a further 58 unexplained deaths There has also been a warning for

:12:33. > :12:34.people to be more vigilant when meeting people online.

:12:35. > :12:37.And we'll have more on that in an exclusive report,

:12:38. > :12:42.Researchers say predatory bacteria, which eat others of their kind,

:12:43. > :12:45.could be a new weapon in the fight against superbugs.

:12:46. > :12:47.The studies on animals, acted like a living antibiotic

:12:48. > :12:49.to help clear an otherwise lethal infection, and suggested

:12:50. > :12:53.Experts say the approach was unusual but should not be overlooked,

:12:54. > :12:56.as more levels of bacteria become resistant to drugs.

:12:57. > :12:59.Nigel Farage has been celebrating at a party at the Ritz Hotel

:13:00. > :13:05.He was presented with a plate of Ferrero Rocher chocolates

:13:06. > :13:07.in reference to Donald Trump's suggestion that he would do

:13:08. > :13:14.a great job as Britain's ambassador to the US.

:13:15. > :13:18.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am.

:13:19. > :13:30.Thank you. Talking about dating apps now and we will bring you a special

:13:31. > :13:34.film soon. Dating apps set you up for abuse because people think it is

:13:35. > :13:37.opaque to belittle you. I would never use a dating apps and nor

:13:38. > :13:39.should my gay friends because there are too many homophobic people out

:13:40. > :13:43.there. Do get in touch with us

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:13:46. > :13:49.and if you text, you will be charged Three British size in the Champions

:13:50. > :14:03.League. How did they do? Yes, in short, Manchester City

:14:04. > :14:06.and Arsenal are through to the last A 1-1 draw was enough for them

:14:07. > :14:11.at Borussia Muchengladbach. And it means they've

:14:12. > :14:13.reached the knockout stages of the Champions League

:14:14. > :14:15.for the fourth consecutive season. They had to come from behind too,

:14:16. > :14:19.David Silva pounced on a cross just before the break to earn

:14:20. > :14:21.Pep Guardiola's men a point, and secure second place in Group C,

:14:22. > :14:28.with a game to spare. We have a qualification in the

:14:29. > :14:29.packet until February and now we can focus finally on just one

:14:30. > :14:34.competition, the Premier League. Celtic didn't favour so well

:14:35. > :14:39.in that group, though. They lost 2-0 to Barcelona at

:14:40. > :14:41.Celtic Park. Lionel

:14:42. > :14:42.Messi with both goals. Considering they lost 7-0 to Barca

:14:43. > :14:45.last time out, that's But they are out of the competition,

:14:46. > :14:51.and will finish bottom of Group C. Joining City in the last

:14:52. > :14:54.16 will be Arsenal. But they might feel disappointed

:14:55. > :14:58.that they couldn't wrap up a win against Paris Saint Germain to give

:14:59. > :15:00.them a better chance of finishing top of the group

:15:01. > :15:02.and a more favourable It was 1-1 at half time,

:15:03. > :15:07.but a stroke of luck for the Gunners saw them go ahead

:15:08. > :15:10.through a Marco Varatti own goal. But they suffered a taste

:15:11. > :15:13.of their own medicine 20 minutes later when Alex Iwobi

:15:14. > :15:15.conceded an own goal 2-2 it finished, and with one game

:15:16. > :15:21.left to play, Arsenal They begin that third

:15:22. > :15:31.Test in the early hours of Saturday morning,

:15:32. > :15:34.having drawn the first, and having lost and been

:15:35. > :15:36.outplayed in the second. They've been in the practice nets

:15:37. > :15:39.today, and we're expecting a few Zaffa Ansari missed today's training

:15:40. > :15:43.session with a back spasm Big-hitting wicketkeeper Jos Butler

:15:44. > :15:46.looks likely to return - his first Test in 13 months -

:15:47. > :15:49.to replace struggling Ben Duckett, who's made just 18 runs

:15:50. > :15:52.in his last three innings. Stuart Broad is still dealing

:15:53. > :15:55.with his foot injury so is likely to be replaced by Chris

:15:56. > :15:59.Woakes who's been taking a look at the wicket they'll be

:16:00. > :16:09.playing on in Mohali. With it being cooler in the

:16:10. > :16:13.mornings, hopefully it might swing a bit, but I suppose that's probably

:16:14. > :16:16.the most we can expect and ask for. The ends look like they've been

:16:17. > :16:20.trimmed a bit more than the middle of the pitch so we expect it to spin

:16:21. > :16:22.at some point, whether that'll be day one, not sure but it will at

:16:23. > :16:26.some point. The family of a young man murdered

:16:27. > :16:32.by the serial killer, Stephen Port, have told us they hold the police

:16:33. > :16:35.partly to blame. Port was convicted of four murders

:16:36. > :16:39.yesterday after a jury heard he'd targeted gay men on dating websites,

:16:40. > :16:42.before killing them with lethal 17 officers are being investigated

:16:43. > :16:50.over their handling of the case and Scotland Yard has

:16:51. > :16:53.admitted it missed "potential opportunities" during

:16:54. > :16:56.the investigation into their deaths. Dan Clark-Neal, a former

:16:57. > :16:59.Metropolitan Police Detective, Dan, some of the failings appear

:17:00. > :17:07.to be pretty shocking. Going back to the very beginning,

:17:08. > :17:15.Port himself called police to say that a young man,

:17:16. > :17:18.now known to be Anthony Walgate, was unconscious outside the communal

:17:19. > :17:25.entrance to his flat. Days later he admitted that Anthony

:17:26. > :17:30.had died in his flat and that he'd moved the body outside through fear

:17:31. > :17:44.of being suspected of killing him. The issue is two more murders were

:17:45. > :17:48.committed within the time that he was on police bail so he was not

:17:49. > :17:54.linked to these deaths quick enough by the Police Service. Then you can

:17:55. > :17:58.look at the third death of Daniel Whitworth, a suicide note was found

:17:59. > :18:05.in his possession which turned out to be written by Stephen Port and,

:18:06. > :18:08.in that note, which is alarm bells straightaway, Joe blogs off the

:18:09. > :18:12.street could pick this up, he says, please don't blame the guy I was

:18:13. > :18:17.with last night, it had nothing to do with him. That is the first

:18:18. > :18:20.person you would go and find? Yes, who was that person. They didn't

:18:21. > :18:26.check the hand writing on the note, didn't show that to the relatives of

:18:27. > :18:30.Daniel Whitworth and the note was not examined for forensic evidence.

:18:31. > :18:37.Port's DNA was found on that note eventually. Further to that, they've

:18:38. > :18:44.been told by members of the families of some of the victims, the media

:18:45. > :18:47.and also LGBT charity that these cases looked like they were linked

:18:48. > :18:53.but still the police refused to link them. Ultimately Jack Taylor was

:18:54. > :18:56.murdered when Port came out of prison having served four months for

:18:57. > :19:02.perverting the course of justice and the question is, why was Jack Taylor

:19:03. > :19:05.allowed to be in that position to meet Stephen Port because the

:19:06. > :19:09.murders were linked. Extraordinary. The police have referred

:19:10. > :19:12.themselveses to the IPCC, the Police Watchdog, over the way they handled

:19:13. > :19:16.the case. What more can you tell us of that? 17 officers under

:19:17. > :19:23.investigation, seven may lose their jobs if they are proven to be guilty

:19:24. > :19:27.of gross misconduct. The question is, was there any homophobia

:19:28. > :19:31.attached to the mistakes that police made, did they overlook things due

:19:32. > :19:35.to homophobia within the service, that's one thing the IPCC are

:19:36. > :19:43.looking at. The issue is, the cases should have been linked sooner but

:19:44. > :19:50.they were not. You have got to know Jack Taylor's family, Stephen Port's

:19:51. > :19:53.family pretty well. They live close to me, they are a close-knit family

:19:54. > :19:57.and have clearly been shatter bid what's happened to them with the

:19:58. > :19:59.loss of Jack. I went and met them at their home address recently in

:20:00. > :20:03.Dagenham. Just fun to be around.

:20:04. > :20:10.He'd do anything for anybody. Always laughing.

:20:11. > :20:12.Always laughing and joking. He was like an older brother,

:20:13. > :20:15.not a younger brother. Yeah, he looked after us as much

:20:16. > :20:18.as we looked after him, he did look I mean, we try and smile.

:20:19. > :20:30.Best we can. But then you find yourself

:20:31. > :20:33.halfway through doing How Jack would have been,

:20:34. > :20:40.what Jack would have said. And that's the bit that rips us

:20:41. > :20:44.to pieces, don't it? Knowing my kids are going to grow up

:20:45. > :20:49.not even knowing their uncle, apart from what I tell

:20:50. > :20:51.them and what they see, they're not going to know him,

:20:52. > :20:54.they're not going to see him. Am I right in thinking that Jack had

:20:55. > :21:17.been out on the Saturday And he came back home

:21:18. > :21:23.and your dad even saw him back So the last thing your mum and dad

:21:24. > :21:30.knew was that Jack was home, but then on the following morning,

:21:31. > :21:34.he wasn't in his room and it was then Monday,

:21:35. > :21:36.late in the day on Monday, that you were told that

:21:37. > :21:38.Jack had been found. I came out of college

:21:39. > :21:42.and mum had called me. We had decided we would start making

:21:43. > :21:50.some calls, because obviously, And then, obviously,

:21:51. > :22:02.I'm still on the phone to my mum when the police turned up.

:22:03. > :22:12.And initially I heard the police ask And then just heard mum I kind

:22:13. > :22:18.of scream and I knew We were just told that Jack

:22:19. > :22:23.was found up against And that he'd died of taking

:22:24. > :22:29.a drug overdose. So, we knew instantly,

:22:30. > :22:36.there was so much more to this. We just sat down and knew

:22:37. > :22:39.that we had to look into it. We knew we had to ask

:22:40. > :22:50.some questions. We, kind of went

:22:51. > :22:53.through Jack's Facebook, To see if they had

:22:54. > :22:57.seen him, spoke to him. We then went on the internet to find

:22:58. > :23:03.out if there was any similar kind And that's when we found

:23:04. > :23:11.that there was other people that had been found in very similar

:23:12. > :23:14.situations in the same area. The stories you've found one

:23:15. > :23:16.in relation to Anthony Walgate... ..Gabriel Kovari,

:23:17. > :23:19.and Daniel Whitworth? And they all died in similar

:23:20. > :23:23.circumstances to Jack over the course of a few months

:23:24. > :23:29.in the summer of 2014. We addressed the police

:23:30. > :23:32.with this, didn't we? We questioned it two or

:23:33. > :23:35.three times. The same as we did with,

:23:36. > :23:41.could Jack have been put there? Did they think Jack was

:23:42. > :23:43.put there? Purely because we knew he wouldn't

:23:44. > :23:46.have gone and sat there. They was just going to settle it as,

:23:47. > :23:54.Jack had taken an overdose. It was seen as gay drugged men

:23:55. > :23:59.in respect of, they'd just sat there, gone over there

:24:00. > :24:01.for whatever they have, done an overdose and that's that,

:24:02. > :24:06.like, as if it's normal. All these bodies appearing

:24:07. > :24:13.is not normal, is it? We should have been grieving,

:24:14. > :24:20.we shouldn't have been Yeah, we shouldn't have had to go

:24:21. > :24:28.through all what we did, to prove that our brother didn't sit

:24:29. > :24:37.there and do that. That should have been

:24:38. > :24:54.somebody finding that out. It has to be unfortunately,

:24:55. > :25:03.because much as we wanted to get to the bottom

:25:04. > :25:08.of what had happened to Jack, we obviously didn't

:25:09. > :25:13.want that to be true. That somebody has done

:25:14. > :25:17.something to him. So, your perseverance, you feel,

:25:18. > :25:20.led to the deaths being linked Yeah, we wasn't going

:25:21. > :25:26.to stop, was we? We was never going to stop,

:25:27. > :25:29.we had a pact. We'd sit up on the phone till five

:25:30. > :25:32.o'clock in the morning, We just knew we wasn't

:25:33. > :25:36.going to stop, we wasn't satisfied with them saying he took

:25:37. > :25:44.an overdose, there was no way. He had to be brought

:25:45. > :25:49.back up in December. And it was mixed emotion,

:25:50. > :25:51.weren't it? It was obviously heartbreaking

:25:52. > :25:53.to know that that Because, we, kind of,

:25:54. > :25:57.felt Jack's gone through enough, we've gone through enough

:25:58. > :26:00.at that point. But then to know if certain

:26:01. > :26:04.things had been done, what was supposed to have been done,

:26:05. > :26:06.when Jack had died, they wouldn't have needed

:26:07. > :26:09.to disturb him like that. I mean, it's hard enough from mum

:26:10. > :26:16.and dad's point of view. Because nobody, obviously,

:26:17. > :26:21.wants to lose a child But then to be told they've got

:26:22. > :26:27.to bring their child back up is obviously another

:26:28. > :26:39.part of the nightmare. How's it been for you,

:26:40. > :26:43.going through the experience It's just awful, it's

:26:44. > :26:52.like a nightmare. It's just like everything we thought

:26:53. > :26:55.is coming out in the court. Everything we thought had happened,

:26:56. > :27:01.we've been told that did happen. You know, when you're told, no,

:27:02. > :27:04.that's not the case, it's not the case, it's not

:27:05. > :27:08.the case, and then you sit in a court and hear things come out

:27:09. > :27:13.that you had asked so long It just highlights how much

:27:14. > :27:25.we has to do. To get these answers to these

:27:26. > :27:29.questions and for it to actually be He used to come in

:27:30. > :27:50.here on the weekends. He used to come out here

:27:51. > :27:52.all the time. What did it mean to Jack to have

:27:53. > :27:56.this space within the house? To come in here on the weekends and,

:27:57. > :28:04.like, just be himself We sit out there, having a drink out

:28:05. > :28:11.there and we all come in here, You know, they always point out

:28:12. > :28:18.Jack. What's your favourite

:28:19. > :28:29.memory, Jeanette? What a great, amazing

:28:30. > :28:34.person he was. It must have been tough for you,

:28:35. > :29:39.as a fan, see the CCTV footage of almost Jack's final

:29:40. > :29:42.moments with Stephen Port, So, yeah,

:29:43. > :29:57.really hard. How do you feel about Stephen

:29:58. > :30:07.Port, now? He's took things a way that

:30:08. > :30:32.can never be replaced. And it's very hard sitting in a room

:30:33. > :30:38.with somebody that's done that. You didn't get

:30:39. > :30:47.an apology? Stephen Port might have

:30:48. > :30:53.took Jack's life so, obviously, he's responsible

:30:54. > :30:57.for Jack's death, that these people that didn't do their job in our eyes

:30:58. > :31:07.are just as responsible. That's how we feel as a family,

:31:08. > :31:10.because they played a part in it, If they'd done what they were

:31:11. > :31:16.supposed to have done with the other poor boys, it's an awful way to say

:31:17. > :31:20.it, but some of their lives You, as a family, when do you think

:31:21. > :31:31.the nightmare will end, There's a saying that

:31:32. > :31:41.things get easier I don't think there'll ever be

:31:42. > :31:56.an easy side to this. I think we've lost touch

:31:57. > :32:02.with what normal means. I don't think any of us

:32:03. > :32:04.understands what normal means, If you're not thinking

:32:05. > :32:10.about Jack not being here, And why they took him

:32:11. > :32:18.and how they took him. What could have been done

:32:19. > :32:26.to prevent him from being taken. It's a nightmare that

:32:27. > :32:42.just doesn't stop. In a statement released

:32:43. > :32:44.after the verdict, Commander Stuart Cundy

:32:45. > :32:47.of the Metropolitan Police said, "The IPCC investigation is ongoing

:32:48. > :32:50.and I can't pre-empt its findings but the evidence heard at the trial

:32:51. > :32:53.did identify potentially missed Now we have the verdict I am

:32:54. > :32:59.personally writing to each of the families of the four young

:33:00. > :33:02.men who died as well as Daniel Whitworth's partner

:33:03. > :33:06.to express our sincere condolences. The letters apologise to them

:33:07. > :33:10.for those missed opportunities." And we'll bring you more

:33:11. > :33:25.on this story after 10am. We will look in detail at the

:33:26. > :33:29.government's spending plans and what they mean for you.

:33:30. > :33:31.Should people who use recreational drugs like ecstacy be allowed

:33:32. > :33:33.to get them safety-tested by government-approved labs?

:33:34. > :33:34.One leading police officer thinks so.

:33:35. > :33:43.After years of cracking down on football violence,

:33:44. > :33:45.Home Office figures due out this morning will reveal if police

:33:46. > :33:48.and clubs are continuing to get on top of the problem.

:33:49. > :33:51.Certainly the past few years have seen a decline in the number

:33:52. > :33:53.of incidents leading to banning orders, yet despite this some

:33:54. > :33:55.matches are still marred by violent clashes between fans.

:33:56. > :33:58.Amanda Jacks is a caseworker at the Football Supporters Federation.

:33:59. > :34:01.Dougie Brimson is an author who has written about the culture

:34:02. > :34:05.of football hooliganism and he's also the writer of the film

:34:06. > :34:08.Green Street about football hooliganism in the UK.

:34:09. > :34:11.In Newcastle is Superintendent Sarah Pitt from Northumbria Police.

:34:12. > :34:18.Also here is Cal, who was given a three-year football banning order.

:34:19. > :34:37.What was it for? It was an assault. Right. And you are in the second

:34:38. > :34:41.year of this ban? Yes. It was an away game and I said I wasn't going

:34:42. > :34:45.to drink that day. We got to the town and it was all going fine.

:34:46. > :34:50.After the game I party said they were going to the pub after the

:34:51. > :35:00.game, would you like to come? I didn't want to go back by myself.

:35:01. > :35:04.After leaving there, we went to another place and we caught the

:35:05. > :35:09.train home. During that journey home there was an altercation with the

:35:10. > :35:16.train inspector. I didn't know this at the time, but somebody who bought

:35:17. > :35:21.the tickets for the train bought a child's ticket and gave it to me. At

:35:22. > :35:25.the time I didn't know. When the inspector came back he wanted to see

:35:26. > :35:30.my ticket and I said it was in the other carriage. He went off there

:35:31. > :35:38.and he came back. Someone from my party went after him. I said what is

:35:39. > :35:44.the matter? They have taken the Railcard because of the child's

:35:45. > :35:47.ticket. How did it end up in assault? I went to get the Railcard

:35:48. > :35:54.and I verbally assaulted the train inspector and I put my hands up and

:35:55. > :35:59.I shouldn't have let it happen. Said it was verbal abuse and not physical

:36:00. > :36:04.assault? Because it was the last train going back to where I am from,

:36:05. > :36:10.the police took me off the train and I was panicking. If they said I was

:36:11. > :36:17.free to go, how could I get back? It was a long distance from where I

:36:18. > :36:21.lived. I said what do I do? I was about to walk off and they grabbed

:36:22. > :36:25.me and in the struggle, it was totally accidental because I was

:36:26. > :36:28.trying to push my arms back. I understand but in the end you got a

:36:29. > :36:35.football banning order because you had been at a football match hours

:36:36. > :36:40.earlier 70 miles away? Yet. Did you think that was fair? No. When they

:36:41. > :36:44.arrested me, they didn't know I was a football supporter until the day

:36:45. > :36:49.after. Pursuing that, they threw the ban at me because I had the ticket

:36:50. > :36:55.on me. What do you think of that, Amanda? It is quite typical. You can

:36:56. > :36:59.have a football banning order if you have been arrested after an offence

:37:00. > :37:03.24 hours either side of the match. 70 miles away from the game, it made

:37:04. > :37:07.no difference. What the magistrate should have done on considering the

:37:08. > :37:11.police's application would be to judge whether it would prevent

:37:12. > :37:15.problems at football matches rather than problems on trains. The

:37:16. > :37:23.districts do apply that test but many more don't. Whilst there are

:37:24. > :37:28.undoubtedly people with football banning orders for affray, many more

:37:29. > :37:31.have banning orders for non-violent offences, sometimes because they are

:37:32. > :37:34.not represented in court and sometimes because the magistrates

:37:35. > :37:38.don't apply the test they should apply. But of course there are

:37:39. > :37:41.violent thugs that are subject to football banning orders and you

:37:42. > :37:45.would say that is correct? Of course. You are involved in football

:37:46. > :37:50.hooliganism when you were younger and you have written about it. How

:37:51. > :37:55.has it changed? Hooliganism is a catch-all term and that is one of

:37:56. > :38:04.the problems. This would come under hooliganism. It depends on people's

:38:05. > :38:09.perceptions. If somebody is abusive towards you and you are not involved

:38:10. > :38:12.in that culture, he is a hooligan as far as you are concerned, but it

:38:13. > :38:23.encompasses everything from verbal to physical abuse. Hooliganism as a

:38:24. > :38:28.culture evolves because of law and order and the way football has gone.

:38:29. > :38:34.We have seen changes in football, the evolution of the Premier League,

:38:35. > :38:37.and hooliganism and violence inside football ground has nearly been

:38:38. > :38:42.fully eradicated now. But the culture which allows that kind of

:38:43. > :38:48.anger, abuse, hatred, intimidation and violence, which allows it to

:38:49. > :38:52.exist, it has continued unfettered. As we have seen at the London

:38:53. > :39:00.Stadium this season and that other grounds across the UK, the threat of

:39:01. > :39:04.violence continues to exist. Tonight Manchester United are playing the

:39:05. > :39:06.final in the Europa League and the Greater Manchester Police have

:39:07. > :39:09.already said the game will be accompanied by one of the biggest

:39:10. > :39:16.anti-hooligan operations they have ever put in place. You did it when

:39:17. > :39:19.you were younger. What motivates grown men, sometimes professionals

:39:20. > :39:24.in decent jobs, sometimes with kids, to get into a fight with opposing

:39:25. > :39:31.football supporters? When I was involved in it, I was in the

:39:32. > :39:34.military. How is that relevant? I was a professional, in stable

:39:35. > :39:43.employment. Doing a proper job. So what was motivating you? It is a

:39:44. > :39:46.culture thing. It is like gang warfare, like being in a little

:39:47. > :39:54.group of lads, going round the country watching football, often

:39:55. > :39:57.involved... It is not just about violence. This is what people don't

:39:58. > :40:02.understand. It is about banter, having a laugh, having fun, going in

:40:03. > :40:07.and getting away from somewhere unscathed and undetected. It is like

:40:08. > :40:13.miniature warfare, if you like. Like a game of chess involving rival fans

:40:14. > :40:19.and the police. But at the end of it, it is about fun and it is

:40:20. > :40:22.exciting. It is an adrenaline rush. Let's bring in the superintendent

:40:23. > :40:26.from Northumbria Police. Thank you for your time. I haven't got the

:40:27. > :40:29.figures yet and we are waiting for them from the Home Office and I

:40:30. > :40:33.don't know if they have gone up or down. How do you think the police

:40:34. > :40:38.have dealt with football violence over the years? How has your

:40:39. > :40:40.approach changed? Particularly in the Northumbria force area,

:40:41. > :40:46.particularly from 2013 we had significant violence derby match

:40:47. > :40:51.between Newcastle and Sunderland, completely changed our approach and

:40:52. > :40:56.very much now engage with fans, get them involved in the planning of

:40:57. > :41:01.football matches, so they are involved in the way that we police

:41:02. > :41:06.events. Sorry. I have just got the figures now. For the past year up

:41:07. > :41:09.until August 2016, the number of banning orders being handed out has

:41:10. > :41:14.declined again for the fourth year in a row. Just over 2000, a

:41:15. > :41:22.reduction of 4%, but the number of arrests is up by 1%, about 1900

:41:23. > :41:26.arrests, just 22 more than the previous season. I think we have got

:41:27. > :41:32.to understand that banning orders are part of a whole range of

:41:33. > :41:38.guidance and action that we can take in and around football. It is one

:41:39. > :41:42.option that we can utilise that isn't used in every arrest. We take

:41:43. > :41:46.each individual case on its merits to put it in front of the court. Do

:41:47. > :41:50.you think it is fair that someone can be involved in an altercation

:41:51. > :41:54.with a train conductor at the next day the police find out they were at

:41:55. > :41:59.a football match and then they are subject to a football banning order?

:42:00. > :42:03.I find it difficult to comment on that because I don't know the exact

:42:04. > :42:15.circumstances around that offence itself. Does it sound fair to you?

:42:16. > :42:19.It doesn't. You are at the football stadium which got media attention

:42:20. > :42:22.when inside people were chucking stuff. I don't think there was hand

:42:23. > :42:26.to hand combat but you could correct me on that. Is that stuff going on

:42:27. > :42:30.at the Premier League ground but it doesn't get the same attention

:42:31. > :42:35.because that was a brand-new stadium and there was attention on it? I

:42:36. > :42:39.think football reflect society and in society sadly there is still

:42:40. > :42:42.violence and disorder. It is certainly not widespread.

:42:43. > :42:45.Undoubtedly there will be some games where there are some incidents, but

:42:46. > :42:51.the level of those incidents is generally quite low. Handbags and

:42:52. > :42:55.posturing. I have seen it myself. You get a group of young men on one

:42:56. > :42:59.side of the road and the police on the other and another group of young

:43:00. > :43:03.men. Because there is a nice line of police in the middle, they use it as

:43:04. > :43:08.an example to jump up and down and act stupidly. In the main, football

:43:09. > :43:11.is an incredibly safe game. I don't have children but I have no

:43:12. > :43:14.hesitation in taking my nieces and nephews to the vast majority of

:43:15. > :43:18.football matches played in this country. Same here. I do have

:43:19. > :43:26.children and they go to various grounds. West Ham. They do. Do you

:43:27. > :43:31.regret what you got involved in and the impact this banning order has

:43:32. > :43:35.had on you? You find it tough, don't you? The moment they said I had got

:43:36. > :43:40.a banning order, that was it. It was all downhill from there. In what

:43:41. > :43:45.respect? They put so many restrictions on you. Even though it

:43:46. > :43:49.wasn't football violence, they decided to say, your town centre,

:43:50. > :43:53.you are banned from that of a four hours before and after a game. If

:43:54. > :44:00.someone says do I want to come out you have got to say you can't. I

:44:01. > :44:03.can't go here or here. But the alternative was a jail sentence, I

:44:04. > :44:09.understand. It is preferable to that. It was. It would have been

:44:10. > :44:14.nice to have a chance not to get the jail sentence. When they said take

:44:15. > :44:21.it or you are going to jail, it was... That was advice from your

:44:22. > :44:25.solicitor? Records said you have got to bargain with us by accepting a

:44:26. > :44:29.banning order or you are going to prison. -- the courts said. Thank

:44:30. > :44:36.you for coming in. Coming up: After Andy Woodward

:44:37. > :44:39.revealed his years of abuse at the hands of his

:44:40. > :44:46.coach on our programme, a dedicated hotline for footballers

:44:47. > :44:49.who have been victims of sexual assault has been

:44:50. > :44:50.opened by the NSPCC. We'll be speaking to them

:44:51. > :44:52.just after 10am. Should people who use recreational

:44:53. > :44:56.drugs like ecstacy be allowed to get them safety-tested

:44:57. > :44:58.by government-approved labs? Those in favour say the practice

:44:59. > :45:00.would reduce deaths. Others believe it would simply

:45:01. > :45:03.encourage more use. Now one of the country's leading

:45:04. > :45:06.police officers, who specialises in drug prevention, has

:45:07. > :45:08.told us the approach It's already being tried

:45:09. > :45:11.in Switzerland where drug deaths Newsbeat's Jim Connolly has

:45:12. > :45:18.this special report. While when you think Fabric, it's

:45:19. > :45:22.probably not this but in September, the club closed after two

:45:23. > :45:25.18-year-olds, Ryan Browne and Jack Crossley, died

:45:26. > :45:29.after taking drugs inside. The club's owners have just found

:45:30. > :45:33.out they've got their licence back, When it was closed,

:45:34. > :45:39.we did a special, right from the heart of the club,

:45:40. > :45:42.all about the future of clubbing. The subject of drug

:45:43. > :45:44.testing kept coming up. How seriously do you feel the police

:45:45. > :45:46.and the council are Right now, they're not taking

:45:47. > :45:51.them serious enough. The tests show that

:45:52. > :45:57.it is improvement. Like, gosh, where they are doing

:45:58. > :45:59.the testing in Zurich, there hasn't been a death in seven

:46:00. > :46:01.years since they've So, that's where we're going,

:46:02. > :46:05.Switzerland. As mentioned, it has a very

:46:06. > :46:07.different, more relaxed approach, For example, ecstasy

:46:08. > :46:12.is illegal in the Swiss law, but it's not seen as a hard-drug,

:46:13. > :46:15.like it is here. So, let's look at the figures.

:46:16. > :46:17.Relatively speaking, the UK has more than twice as many

:46:18. > :46:24.drug deaths as Switzerland. So, it's a Wednesday

:46:25. > :46:26.in Bern Switzerland. Probably not what you're thinking

:46:27. > :46:30.when you're thinking big nights out in Europe but people

:46:31. > :46:32.here are getting ready for a Friday, They're going to be dropping drugs

:46:33. > :46:36.off in this anonymous The only reason you'd know

:46:37. > :46:43.what it is, is this Nick is one of the councillors

:46:44. > :46:47.who runs the centre. This guy is the first

:46:48. > :46:49.to drop off his drugs and he will get his results

:46:50. > :46:51.on Friday afternoon. A short counselling session

:46:52. > :46:53.is compulsory if you How does it feel talking

:46:54. > :46:58.about your drug use? No, not that much because everybody

:46:59. > :47:02.talks about that. So, everyone knows drugs and knows

:47:03. > :47:06.how it is to be on drugs, Nick can't handle the drugs

:47:07. > :47:12.being dropped off. What do you think

:47:13. > :47:15.you've dropped off? You think you dropped

:47:16. > :47:18.off an ecstasy tablet? So that I know that I don't take

:47:19. > :47:31.anything that isn't good Ecstasy isn't good,

:47:32. > :47:35.because it's a drug, At least there is not something that

:47:36. > :47:40.shouldn't be in MDMA. Will you feel safer,

:47:41. > :47:44.because of that drug being tested? As long as I know that it's ecstasy

:47:45. > :47:52.and not something different, Because I already make the risk

:47:53. > :47:58.that it could doing me 13 other people used

:47:59. > :48:08.the service tonight. We came back at the end to see

:48:09. > :48:11.what was handed in. Excellent, we look forward

:48:12. > :48:26.to seeing it in the morning. It's Thursday and we've come to meet

:48:27. > :48:29.Hans, who runs this drug-testing lab Hi, Hans, nice to meet you.

:48:30. > :48:33.Hi. It tests anything from stuff you can

:48:34. > :48:36.buy in your pharmacy, The testing is being

:48:37. > :48:41.done today by Fabian. This is the pill we saw being handed

:48:42. > :48:44.in last night. And now I'm going

:48:45. > :48:49.to grind it in here. That's just to make it easier

:48:50. > :48:52.to dissolve, is it? After turning the pill

:48:53. > :48:57.into a powder, it's weighed, mixed with the solvent and put

:48:58. > :49:00.in a glass tube ready to run through a liquid

:49:01. > :49:02.chromatography machine. That will give us a reading

:49:03. > :49:05.which Fabian can use to work out exactly what was in our pill and how

:49:06. > :49:09.strong it is. While we wait for our results,

:49:10. > :49:12.we had a chat with Hans. Some people would say you're

:49:13. > :49:15.encouraging drug use, by giving people results

:49:16. > :49:19.about what's in their drugs. Those people that show up

:49:20. > :49:22.in our facilities, they already And with our programme,

:49:23. > :49:33.we have here, I say, if we can just prevent one person

:49:34. > :49:38.being brought to the emergency room of the hospital,

:49:39. > :49:43.it's worth all the cost. In the UK, we've seen a real spike

:49:44. > :49:51.in drug deaths connected to ecstasy. Just last year,

:49:52. > :49:56.there were 57 deaths. In Switzerland, how many drug deaths

:49:57. > :50:00.have you seen links to ecstasy? I have no information for this

:50:01. > :50:04.in the last year that somebody died From your knowledge,

:50:05. > :50:10.you can't think of any deaths You're going to get the results,

:50:11. > :50:19.what have we found? Do we know how strong

:50:20. > :50:25.that tablet was? And that is a very,

:50:26. > :50:45.very strong amount? Yeah, we give a warning

:50:46. > :50:49.when it's over 120 million You better ask that question

:50:50. > :50:58.to my boss. Hans, tell me, we've just seen

:50:59. > :51:00.a result there that doubled the amount you normally see

:51:01. > :51:02.for a warning. Typically, if you took 60-80

:51:03. > :51:07.milligrams, you would experience How dangerous is that

:51:08. > :51:12.pill, potentially? With one to 1.3 mg per

:51:13. > :51:18.kilogram body weight, In this case, if you take a pill

:51:19. > :51:25.like that and you have a body weight, a young girl of about 50

:51:26. > :51:28.kilograms, you are in We're just back from the lab,

:51:29. > :51:35.we've got the printout of the pill that we actually saw

:51:36. > :51:39.getting tested down there. They don't give this to the client,

:51:40. > :51:41.they tell them the information because they don't want this

:51:42. > :51:43.becoming an advert We've got a readout here of a 200 mg

:51:44. > :51:51.of MDMA in that one tablet. If you bear in mind 60-80 mg to feel

:51:52. > :51:54.a significant high, what we've got It's Friday afternoon and we've met

:51:55. > :52:01.up with Nick again, we met He's now on stand-by for people

:52:02. > :52:09.to call him and get the results. What was that conversation

:52:10. > :52:18.you were having? I told him it was a

:52:19. > :52:21.very high dose pill. Are you worried about his safety

:52:22. > :52:24.because that's such a strong pill? It's just a very high dose,

:52:25. > :52:30.it's not something different in it You just have to take a little part

:52:31. > :52:36.of this pill, not the whole pill at the same time

:52:37. > :52:45.or at the same night. This is Zurich, this

:52:46. > :52:50.is the heart of Swiss clubbing. And this is a different

:52:51. > :52:52.type of club. This is called High and they've got

:52:53. > :52:55.a very open policy, really, Just over there, they've

:52:56. > :53:00.done open drug testing, so people can come along,

:53:01. > :53:02.drop off samples, get And then you'd generally got quite

:53:03. > :53:06.an open, relaxed Let's head inside and have a chat

:53:07. > :53:09.with the owner. I really think it's very good

:53:10. > :53:13.for the people that they know, if they take something,

:53:14. > :53:17.that they take good stuff or if it's very strong,

:53:18. > :53:21.that they don't take too much. Do you think by having

:53:22. > :53:23.what by British standards are very open drug policies,

:53:24. > :53:27.the drug checking, that by doing that, they're taking

:53:28. > :53:30.deadly substances and... But you could say in ecstasy tablet

:53:31. > :53:35.could kill you. If it's too heavy,

:53:36. > :53:37.of course. But, if you know this,

:53:38. > :53:40.it's not deadly any more. For you, this is about giving

:53:41. > :53:45.people information? But what do people heading clubbing

:53:46. > :53:57.in the area think? When you have the possibility to use

:53:58. > :53:59.the service, so you know And I think it's a better feeling

:54:00. > :54:05.when you know what you take. I have one strict other website

:54:06. > :54:09.where you can, like, if you buy If there's any dangerous drugs

:54:10. > :54:18.around, they warn you it. I think it's a good cause,

:54:19. > :54:21.I guess. It's your decision

:54:22. > :54:27.if you take drugs. I think it's more safe if you take

:54:28. > :54:32.drugs that are tested. Zurich has a collection of people

:54:33. > :54:35.who represent the city's nightlife. How do places like Burn and Zurich

:54:36. > :54:42.treat recreational drug use when it comes to things like harm

:54:43. > :54:45.reduction and drug testing Drug testing is something integrated

:54:46. > :54:50.in the whole approach. We start with a website

:54:51. > :54:55.with information. Working together with the bar

:54:56. > :55:02.and club commission here here, we are creating

:55:03. > :55:05.a safer clubbing label. We are working together

:55:06. > :55:12.with the hospital and ambulances. We think this is really important

:55:13. > :55:18.to work together with the aim to make nightlife more pleasurable,

:55:19. > :55:21.more healthy than it can be Why have you come to get it tested,

:55:22. > :55:47.what reassurance will that give you? As long as I know it is ecstasy

:55:48. > :55:53.as not something different. So, what are your initial reactions,

:55:54. > :55:56.having watched that? We, of course, are very concerned

:55:57. > :55:59.about keeping people safe, So, for me, some form of testing may

:56:00. > :56:05.well be a really useful And I know it's been tried out

:56:06. > :56:10.in a couple of sites and festivals in the UK, in conjunction

:56:11. > :56:12.with local police forces. But we're not in the position

:56:13. > :56:15.where we can endorse So, this guy, here,

:56:16. > :56:19.who finished the piece off, one of the nightmares for Zurich,

:56:20. > :56:23.he talks about working together. Do you think that really

:56:24. > :56:26.that is happening in the UK, because we are struggling to get

:56:27. > :56:33.the Home Office to even sit down We are in plenty of discussions

:56:34. > :56:37.and we find it very helpful in terms And we've had some discussions

:56:38. > :56:41.about festivals as well, What I'm going to do

:56:42. > :56:47.is bring together a group We talk about festivals next year,

:56:48. > :56:53.we need to get a move on and have a look at the way last

:56:54. > :56:56.year, well, 2016, has gone. We've come back to Fabric,

:56:57. > :57:02.to meet its boss, the day We sat in this venue a couple

:57:03. > :57:07.of weeks after you were closed down, And everyone on the stage kept

:57:08. > :57:10.talking about drug testing. There was a unanimous feeling

:57:11. > :57:13.that this was the way forward. And I wonder if you feel that,

:57:14. > :57:18.with all the restrictions that were placed on you yesterday,

:57:19. > :57:20.whether we ever going You know, I was up in Manchester

:57:21. > :57:31.last week at the Warehouse Project looking at Fiona Meacham's work

:57:32. > :57:34.which is the back-of-house testing. Which is still obviously very

:57:35. > :57:37.different to the front-of-house testing, which she had in place

:57:38. > :57:40.at Secret Garden Party, and certainly what you

:57:41. > :57:46.saw in Switzerland. I really like to think that's

:57:47. > :57:49.going to happen in a UK venue. And I would have thought councils

:57:50. > :57:52.like Manchester, who clearly are incredibly progressive

:57:53. > :57:54.in their thoughts would be I hope one day I get

:57:55. > :58:03.to see it in a venue. And then obviously the discussions

:58:04. > :58:06.we can have in and around Fabric, but, you know, we're working very

:58:07. > :58:09.closely with our partners in the Met to be pursuing

:58:10. > :58:11.the goals we want here. So, our journey's ended right

:58:12. > :58:14.where it started here at Fabric. And chatting to the owner just then,

:58:15. > :58:17.it's clear he is happy to have his licence back,

:58:18. > :58:20.but he's going to have to work under Conditions that seem a long way away

:58:21. > :58:24.from what we saw in Switzerland. And over the next few months,

:58:25. > :58:27.people both are there and here will be looking on to see

:58:28. > :58:47.which approach keeps clubbers safer. If you want to share that film, go

:58:48. > :58:50.to Radio 1 Newsbeat's site or the BBC News site. We are going to talk

:58:51. > :58:54.more about that in the next hour of the programme. Time for the latest

:58:55. > :59:05.weather now with Carol. Good morning. . Good morning. There will

:59:06. > :59:10.be a lot of sunshine around after a cold start. For England and Wales, a

:59:11. > :59:13.bit more cloud around than there is in Scotland. The breeze will help

:59:14. > :59:17.break up the cloud through the course of the day and Well see sunny

:59:18. > :59:21.or bright spells develop. We also have freezing fog and, if that

:59:22. > :59:26.lingers, for example around Glasgow, temperatures will be well

:59:27. > :59:29.suppressed. This evening, we hang on to the breezy conditions touching

:59:30. > :59:34.gale force across the English Channel. An action replay of the

:59:35. > :59:38.weather in the north tonight. We'll see some freezing fog. Further

:59:39. > :59:41.south, a colder night than the one just gone, particularly so in rural

:59:42. > :59:45.areas where we could have three or four Celsius. Because of the wind,

:59:46. > :59:50.we shouldn't have any problems with frost here. Tomorrow, a breezy day,

:59:51. > :59:53.sunshine on off, but across the far north of Scotland there is a weather

:59:54. > :59:57.front and we'll see more cloud and spots of rain coming from that. Also

:59:58. > :00:01.through the course of the day, we'll have some cloud drifting in from the

:00:02. > :00:03.North Sea across north-east England, the Midlands and also to the east of

:00:04. > :00:08.Wales. Yes, I do mean hello. I mean thank

:00:09. > :00:17.you, Carol! The NSPCC opens a hotline

:00:18. > :00:24.for victims of sexual abuse in football as the FA urges more men

:00:25. > :00:28.to come forward after the bravery shown by Andy Woodward

:00:29. > :00:35.on this programme. Andy Woodward has spoken out about

:00:36. > :00:37.the abuse he received as a boy and he speaks to the FA in the next

:00:38. > :00:39.hour. A senior police officer tells this

:00:40. > :00:42.programme dating apps could be doing The warning comes after serial

:00:43. > :00:50.killer Stephen Port murdered four We want people to get to know the

:00:51. > :00:54.person, meet in public and stay in public until they are entirely

:00:55. > :00:56.comfortable and I think some of these apps could take more

:00:57. > :00:58.responsibility. And what does the Autumn

:00:59. > :01:01.Statement mean for you? Our political guru Norman Smith

:01:02. > :01:07.will break it down for all of us. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:01:08. > :01:20.with a summary of today's news. The Football Association is due

:01:21. > :01:22.to meet Andy Woodward to discuss the allegations made

:01:23. > :01:36.by former players It comes as the FA Ramsey to make

:01:37. > :01:40.more action to prevent players are being abused. Four former players

:01:41. > :01:44.have now gone public to say they were abused by coaches. The charity

:01:45. > :01:47.and the FA strongly suspect more people have been targeted in the

:01:48. > :01:52.past and they are urging others to speak up.

:01:53. > :01:55.The government has defended gloomy forecasts for the economy set out in

:01:56. > :01:57.the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, following fierce criticism from some

:01:58. > :02:00.The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts that leaving

:02:01. > :02:02.the EU will cost Britain about ?60 billion over five years.

:02:03. > :02:06.But Philip Hammond said the government's aim was to continue

:02:07. > :02:14.But it was good to prepare for a rainy day.

:02:15. > :02:17.At 11.30 this morning on the BBC News Channel you can

:02:18. > :02:20.put your questions about the Autumn Statement to a panel of experts.

:02:21. > :02:23.We'll be joined by Mike Spicer from the British Chambers

:02:24. > :02:25.of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance

:02:26. > :02:26.journalist Sarah Pennells, and Hugh Stickland from

:02:27. > :02:32.put your questions about the autumn statement to a panel of experts.

:02:33. > :02:34.We'll be joined by mike spicer from the british chambers

:02:35. > :02:36.of commerce, the creator of savvywomen and personal finance

:02:37. > :02:38.journalist sarah pennells, and hugh stickland from

:02:39. > :02:42.You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using

:02:43. > :02:46.put your questions about the autumn statement to a panel of experts.

:02:47. > :02:48.We'll be joined by mike spicer from the british chambers

:02:49. > :02:51.of commerce, the creator of savvywomen and personal finance

:02:52. > :02:52.journalist sarah pennells, and hugh stickland from

:02:53. > :02:56.You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using

:02:57. > :02:58.A health trust has apologised after shocking details emerged

:02:59. > :03:01.of a series of failures in maternity care at two hospitals.

:03:02. > :03:03.An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General

:03:04. > :03:05.hospitals was only made public after an investigation

:03:06. > :03:09.The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely

:03:10. > :03:12.was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal.

:03:13. > :03:14.In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms,

:03:15. > :03:16.believing instead she had mental health issues.

:03:17. > :03:18.The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospitals,

:03:19. > :03:22.The police watchdog is investigating hundreds of allegations of police

:03:23. > :03:23.failures relating to child sexual abuse cases

:03:24. > :03:25.in England and Wales, according to figures obtained

:03:26. > :03:30.Research show 27 inquiries have been completed.

:03:31. > :03:33.It could mean disciplinary action for up to 15 officers.

:03:34. > :03:35.The Independent Police Complaints Commission says it continues

:03:36. > :03:43.We all know that basketball players are tall but you'd need to be pretty

:03:44. > :03:52.Australia's Derek Herron set a new world record for the highest

:03:53. > :03:57.basketball shot by launching the ball from the top

:03:58. > :04:07.It took just three attempts for Derek to hit the target.

:04:08. > :04:12.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:04:13. > :04:17.Imagine if the camera had not been working on that attempt!

:04:18. > :04:22.Starting with Champions League football this morning.

:04:23. > :04:24.Manchester City and Arsenal are through to the last 16.

:04:25. > :04:28.For City, a 1-1 draw was enough for them at Borussia

:04:29. > :04:32.And it means they've reached the knockout stages

:04:33. > :04:34.of the Champions League for the fourth consecutive season.

:04:35. > :04:39.David Silva pounced on a cross just before the break to earn

:04:40. > :04:42.Pep Guardiola's men a point and secure second place in Group C

:04:43. > :04:48.Celtic didn't favour so well in that group though.

:04:49. > :04:50.They lost 2-0 to Barcelona at Celtic Park.

:04:51. > :04:54.Considering they lost 7-0 to Barca last time out,

:04:55. > :05:01.But they are out of the competition and will finish bottom of Group C.

:05:02. > :05:04.Joining City in the last 16 will be Arsenal.

:05:05. > :05:09.They might feel disappointed that they couldn't wrap up a win

:05:10. > :05:11.against Paris Saint Germain to give them a better chance

:05:12. > :05:14.of finishing top of the group and a more favourable

:05:15. > :05:17.It was 1-1 at half time, but a stroke of luck

:05:18. > :05:22.for the Gunners saw them go ahead through a Marco Varatti own goal

:05:23. > :05:27.But they suffered a taste of their own medicine 20

:05:28. > :05:29.minutes later when Alex Iwobi conceded an own goal

:05:30. > :05:38.With one game left to play, Arsenal will struggle to top

:05:39. > :05:41.In cricket, England's men begin the third Test against India

:05:42. > :05:43.in the early hours of Saturday morning.

:05:44. > :05:45.They drew the first, and lost the second.

:05:46. > :05:48.They've been in the practice nets today, and we're expecting a few

:05:49. > :05:58.Jos Buttler looks likely to return to replace the struggling Ben

:05:59. > :06:01.Duckett. Stuart Broad is still struggling with a foot injury so

:06:02. > :06:11.Chris Woakes will likely come in to replace him. Scotland's men have

:06:12. > :06:15.missed out on a place in the semifinals of the curling

:06:16. > :06:19.championship, losing out to Russia. The women are through skippered by

:06:20. > :06:22.Eve Muirhead. They have won all eight of their matches and are under

:06:23. > :06:29.way in their ninth and final one against Russia. It is 3-1 to

:06:30. > :06:33.Scotland after four ends. That is all the sport now. I will be back

:06:34. > :07:00.just after 10:30am the latest headlines. Thank you.

:07:01. > :07:09.Barry Bennell, a convicted paedophile, abused David White. He

:07:10. > :08:06.has waived his anonymity. In a statement issued he has said:

:08:07. > :08:09.Cheshire Police now say 11 people have come forward alleging sexual

:08:10. > :08:12.abuse at the hands of their youth coaches when they were young boys.

:08:13. > :08:14.It follows our exclusive interview with ex-Crewe player Andy Woodward

:08:15. > :08:17.a week ago, who told us he had been raped hundreds of times

:08:18. > :08:20.by Barry Bennell over a period of four years.

:08:21. > :08:24.His testimony was part of the case against Bennell in the late 90s

:08:25. > :08:27.when the coach was jailed for 9 years for offences against boys.

:08:28. > :08:29.When Mr Woodward spoke to us again this week,

:08:30. > :08:44.he said more players were coming forward all the time.

:08:45. > :08:47.I've been inundated not only with not the six people that

:08:48. > :08:52.but also direct messages from other players, who have

:08:53. > :08:54.told me so many stories that are absolutely heartbreaking.

:08:55. > :08:59.I've been so emotional, over the last days.

:09:00. > :09:01.They've reached out to me and thanked me so much

:09:02. > :09:04.You know, it's given them that faith.

:09:05. > :09:07.So you've spoken to six, but as you say, other

:09:08. > :09:11.In total, how many people do you think have got in touch

:09:12. > :09:15.Gosh, there's several people that have contacted me.

:09:16. > :09:17.I can't put a number on it, really.

:09:18. > :09:19.And they vary, really, in what they've said.

:09:20. > :09:26.Yeah, yeah, they're ex-footballers, yeah.

:09:27. > :09:29.And did they say to you that they found the courage to speak

:09:30. > :09:34.Absolutely, that's what they've said.

:09:35. > :09:37.They said because of what I said, it's given them that courage

:09:38. > :09:45.and that belief and that strength to actually come out and say it.

:09:46. > :09:48.Andy Woodward meets the FA this morning to discuss what happened to

:09:49. > :09:51.him. Since then, the former Spurs

:09:52. > :09:53.and England star, Paul Stewart, told the Daily Mirror that

:09:54. > :09:56.a different coach abused him every He says his attacker got away

:09:57. > :10:01.with it by threatening to kill his relatives

:10:02. > :10:03.if he ever told anyone. He blames the abuse

:10:04. > :10:05.for drink and drug problems It started from touching

:10:06. > :10:17.and then developed more and the threats of violence

:10:18. > :10:22.towards your family, really, if you were to breathe

:10:23. > :10:24.a word to anybody. I believe he said he was going to

:10:25. > :10:28.kill your brothers? Yeah, he threatened

:10:29. > :10:30.both my brothers to me. And, of course, all those years

:10:31. > :10:45.you were playing at the top level, you talked about Paul Gascoigne

:10:46. > :10:48.and Lineker and all these huge household names at the time, John

:10:49. > :10:51.Barnes, when you were at Liverpool. Even as you were enjoying

:10:52. > :10:53.the accolades of success, you were dealing with it,

:10:54. > :10:55.and had suicidal thoughts I mean, in football,

:10:56. > :11:00.there are lots of highs and lows, which you deal with as part

:11:01. > :11:05.of the game. And I dealt with this

:11:06. > :11:13.inwardly alongside that. It took me some years to talk

:11:14. > :11:18.to my family about it, my wife. And, yeah, I struggled,

:11:19. > :11:20.and still struggle to this day, I'm lucky that I've got a strong

:11:21. > :11:29.family unit around me. Because, you know, I don't really

:11:30. > :11:32.know whether I would The most difficult thing,

:11:33. > :11:38.throughout is the fact I was void of all

:11:39. > :11:52.emotions, whatsoever. Paul Stewart talking to the Daily

:11:53. > :11:57.Mirror. They gave us permission to use that extract.

:11:58. > :12:01.Labour says the FA isn't doing enough

:12:02. > :12:09.In a statement the shadow sports minister Dr Rosena Allin-Khan said:

:12:10. > :12:11.99.9% of coaches and officials will have every child's

:12:12. > :12:13.best interests in mind but we must root out the 0.1%

:12:14. > :12:19.I'm joined now by John Cameron, head of helplines at the NSPCC,

:12:20. > :12:21.which has set up a dedicated helpline for footballers

:12:22. > :12:25.And we're joined by Mark Palios, who is a former chairman of the FA

:12:26. > :12:31.Do you know how many people will bring the hotline? The hotline has

:12:32. > :12:35.been open for two ours and we have received in excess of 50 contacts

:12:36. > :12:41.and nearly 20 of those have resulted in further information being passed

:12:42. > :12:44.to the police for the investigation and consideration. This is a

:12:45. > :12:50.considerable number of contacts at this early stage. We are likely to

:12:51. > :12:55.get many, many more. 50 contacts and what kind of things are they saying?

:12:56. > :13:00.It is all around concerns about sexual abuse and how children are

:13:01. > :13:06.being treated in football. In the past or now? In the past and the

:13:07. > :13:09.present. It is beginning to open up quite serious concerns about what

:13:10. > :13:13.has been happening historically and if there are children who are

:13:14. > :13:18.victims of abuse today, then this programme will be very helpful in

:13:19. > :13:21.giving out a very clear message to the public to say if you have

:13:22. > :13:27.concerns about children in football, you must come to us now, so we can

:13:28. > :13:31.bring potential individuals who may be threatening children to account.

:13:32. > :13:40.If someone calls you helpline, what do you then do quests? People don't

:13:41. > :13:45.have to tell us who they are and they can just receive help and

:13:46. > :13:49.guidance about moving on. But if we do have allegations of abuse in the

:13:50. > :13:53.past identifying individuals and clubs, then we will pass them to the

:13:54. > :13:57.police and they will undertake investigations. Mark Palios, thank

:13:58. > :14:03.you for talking to us, former chief executive of the FA and former

:14:04. > :14:06.player at Crewe in your late 20s, I think. Did you hear talk about youth

:14:07. > :14:13.coaches and in particular Barry Bennell? Not at all. Barry Bennell

:14:14. > :14:18.was after I had finished playing. I am flattered you thought I was

:14:19. > :14:22.playing then! It is a very macho atmosphere around the club and the

:14:23. > :14:25.dressing room. Something like that would probably not have surfaced in

:14:26. > :14:32.those days. Right. The people I have read to have spoken publicly and

:14:33. > :14:37.having spoken to Andy Woodward, there was, quote, banter in the

:14:38. > :14:44.changing rooms about boys being the favourites of certain coaches. Yes,

:14:45. > :14:47.well, I never came across that personally, as I say. There is no

:14:48. > :14:51.doubt that this kind of thing went on. It would be naive to suggest

:14:52. > :14:59.that a game that has involvement of so many youngsters that it wouldn't

:15:00. > :15:04.be a scenario that paedophiles would target. In all organisations with

:15:05. > :15:12.youngsters, you find this. Churches, scouts, etc. You would be naive to

:15:13. > :15:16.suggest it hasn't gone on. It is a pretty hard watch when you watch the

:15:17. > :15:21.video of the likes of Paul Stewart for example. You know that lots of

:15:22. > :15:26.people have been affected by this. If you were to ask me the question

:15:27. > :15:30.whether it is the same today, I think things have changed quite

:15:31. > :15:35.considerably since then. While the helpline is welcomed because it lets

:15:36. > :15:40.people feel that they can, without recrimination, which is very

:15:41. > :15:44.important, trust the confidentiality of the NSPCC, which is great, but

:15:45. > :15:48.also you have got to recognise the sport has done a lot for itself over

:15:49. > :15:49.the course of the last 20 or 30 years. But you can never be

:15:50. > :15:58.complacent. It's grim that John Cameron is

:15:59. > :16:02.telling us they are getting calls about alleged cases in the present.

:16:03. > :16:10.John, Andy Woodward told us that there is a particular culture in

:16:11. > :16:16.football which means these men kept this secret for decades. That's Had

:16:17. > :16:20.a cataclysmic effect on their lives? It's had a bad effect on people and

:16:21. > :16:24.there are a lot of individuals who've suffered harm in the past

:16:25. > :16:29.that need to come forward and we do appreciate with the macho culture

:16:30. > :16:32.that we just heard, it's gone away but has still gone away

:16:33. > :16:37.significantly but it's still around at the moment. The FA are doing

:16:38. > :16:43.everything possible to be able to introduce good safeguarding

:16:44. > :16:46.practices to clubs. But you need more, you need this change of

:16:47. > :16:52.culture and what we need now is for all the clubs afilliated to the FA

:16:53. > :16:57.to reflect back on what they're doing and how they are messaging out

:16:58. > :17:01.to children and young men about the ability to actually come forward. I

:17:02. > :17:05.think what we've got to do is encourage children now and people in

:17:06. > :17:08.the past, if they have been victims of abuse, or if they are being

:17:09. > :17:12.harmed in any sort of way in football, they need to come forward.

:17:13. > :17:17.It's essential we get to the bottom of this and that the FA can address

:17:18. > :17:21.the short falls. You say you have had 50 contacts since the helpline's

:17:22. > :17:26.been open in just two hours. Does that mean 50 individual? 50

:17:27. > :17:29.individual people calling us about concerns for children either now or

:17:30. > :17:36.in the past. Thank you very much John Cameron from the NSPCC and Mark

:17:37. > :17:39.Palios, former chairman of the FA and chairman now of Tranmere.

:17:40. > :17:42.The NSPCC free helpline offers advice and support to anyone

:17:43. > :17:48.who experienced sexual abuse as a young footballer.

:17:49. > :17:51.Steve Walters, who came forward to The Guardian after hearing

:17:52. > :17:54.Andy Woodward's story, will be on the programme tomorrow,

:17:55. > :17:57.in his first TV interview about the secret he kept for decades.

:17:58. > :18:00.He says he too was abused by Bennell.

:18:01. > :18:04.Steve was one of the best young players in the country

:18:05. > :18:11.He's coming on the progamme tomorrow and he's told me on the phone

:18:12. > :18:14.already he felt his football career was 'snatched away from him'

:18:15. > :18:17.because of the abuse he experienced at the age of around 13.

:18:18. > :18:28.So that's tomorrow, exculsively on this programme at 9.15am.

:18:29. > :18:30.Let's return to the conviction of the serial killer Stephen Port,

:18:31. > :18:33.found guilty yesterday of murdering four men he met through gay dating

:18:34. > :18:37.The national police lead on LGBT issues has told this programme

:18:38. > :18:40.exclusively that the apps themselves could be doing more

:18:41. > :18:44.Port also raped or sexually assaulted at least six men

:18:45. > :18:47.he met through the apps, luring them to his flat before

:18:48. > :18:53.The Metropolitan Police have said they fear there are more victims out

:18:54. > :18:58.Dan Clark-Neal, a former Met Police detective,

:18:59. > :19:16.Hook-up apps are a fact of life for many gay men and can offer

:19:17. > :19:19.almost instant access to dates or casual sex at the

:19:20. > :19:29.But the trial of this man, Stephen Port, has cast a new light

:19:30. > :19:35.Port has been convicted of murdering four men he met through hook-up

:19:36. > :19:40.And the men he raped only came forward after Port

:19:41. > :19:42.had been charged with the murders.

:19:43. > :19:48.As a gay man and former Met police detective,

:19:49. > :19:51.the case of Stephen Porte has really struck a chord with me

:19:52. > :19:53.and I've asked myself, many times recently,

:19:54. > :19:55.what would I have done in those circumstances?

:19:56. > :19:58.And, if I'm being completely honest, I don't think I would have

:19:59. > :20:01.reported it to the police, even when I was serving as a police

:20:02. > :20:04.officer myself. I reckon I would have been

:20:05. > :20:06.embarrassed that I put myself in a situation like that.

:20:07. > :20:09.So, I really want to get to the bottom of whether there

:20:10. > :20:17.a stigma attached to reporting sexual offences like these.

:20:18. > :20:22.We never stop talking about him, we always talk about him.

:20:23. > :20:27.You involve him, like he's still here.

:20:28. > :20:31.Jack Taylor was the last person Stephen Port murdered.

:20:32. > :20:36.I came out of college and mum had called me.

:20:37. > :20:43.Initially, I heard the police ask if they was Jack's mum and dad.

:20:44. > :20:52.And I kind of knew what that scream meant.

:20:53. > :20:55.Port murdered Jack in September 2015 and had raped or sexually assaulted

:20:56. > :21:01.Jack's sisters say they can understand why the surviving victims

:21:02. > :21:08.I would say it's probably very difficult for them to come forward.

:21:09. > :21:11.They might feel ashamed, I don't know.

:21:12. > :21:13.They obviously didn't know he was doing that,

:21:14. > :21:16.they might have just thought it was to them, I don't know.

:21:17. > :21:20.But they've now thought if they did come forward,

:21:21. > :21:23.they might have stopped him, so they've got to live with that.

:21:24. > :21:26.That's not their fault, but that's how they might think.

:21:27. > :21:32.It's heartbreaking for us to sit there and listen to what they've

:21:33. > :21:37.It's not nice, is it, to hear that.

:21:38. > :21:40.You do just want to get up and give them

:21:41. > :21:48.It must be hard to actually say, "I've been raped, but I don't

:21:49. > :21:56.What would you have said to Jack then, if you'd known

:21:57. > :21:59.he was using sites like Grindr, which is where he met Stephen Port.

:22:00. > :22:10.But if he were still adamant he was going to use them,

:22:11. > :22:19.I know we would have said, "You know, where are you going?"

:22:20. > :22:23.And wanted to know so much more before we'd even left,

:22:24. > :22:31.Knowing the way me and Jen are, we probably would have had a look

:22:32. > :22:48.Adrian used hook-up apps and websites on and off

:22:49. > :22:57.Often taking drugs or chems with the people he met.

:22:58. > :22:59.You are playing a bit of Russian roulette with your life

:23:00. > :23:04.He told me about a time he'd arranged to meet a guy one

:23:05. > :23:12.He was the person that looks like what I thought he was.

:23:13. > :23:21.So, you strike up a conversation, you see how you feel with each

:23:22. > :23:27.other, there was no hesitation, in terms of foreur play.

:23:28. > :23:29.other, there was no hesitation, in terms of foreplay.

:23:30. > :23:33.You get to the point of wanting to talk about what sort

:23:34. > :23:36.of chems you're going to take and how much.

:23:37. > :23:38.All of that was talked about openly, honestly.

:23:39. > :23:40.Therefore, I had no concerns about going forward.

:23:41. > :23:44.Adrian says he was given a cocktail of drugs by the man he met up with.

:23:45. > :23:46.It's then that things got out of hand.

:23:47. > :23:48.Within seconds, his clothes were off.

:23:49. > :23:50.Within seconds, we were in the bedroom.

:23:51. > :23:54.And all I can remember was laying down on the bed and then that's it.

:23:55. > :24:09.Between roughly 2am or 3am in the morning and 7am

:24:10. > :24:20.I was worried enough to decide, let's go to a sexual health

:24:21. > :24:24.To see whether there was anything I had caught or whether there

:24:25. > :24:27.Adrian still doesn't know whether he was sexually assaulted

:24:28. > :24:30.that night and he blames himself for what happened.

:24:31. > :24:35.I have never, ever mentioned or talked about any of these

:24:36. > :24:42.Because I've always been of the view that I put myself in the position,

:24:43. > :24:48.For Adrian, drugs are one of the main barriers when it comes

:24:49. > :24:54.There is a pressure that is put on your shoulders that says,

:24:55. > :24:59.I know something is not right, but, at the same time,

:25:00. > :25:02.I can't, 100%, conclusively say what happened.

:25:03. > :25:10.If you are in a similarly chemed-up state, your memory blurs very

:25:11. > :25:16.That first hurdle, knowing what you've already done,

:25:17. > :25:19.means that you're not going to go to the police.

:25:20. > :25:23.Some people watching may think it's simple, don't take drugs,

:25:24. > :25:28.Well, I mean, I'm still working through the fact that I don't

:25:29. > :25:34.But I know it's a difficult path, it's just like giving up alcohol,

:25:35. > :25:35.it's just like giving up other addictions.

:25:36. > :25:38.And it requires a lot of strength of character

:25:39. > :25:51.Thousands of men use hook-up apps every day.

:25:52. > :25:54.The apps use GPS to allow anyone with a profile to send

:25:55. > :26:02.messages, share pictures, preferences and their location.

:26:03. > :26:09.Josh has been using apps like Grindr since his teens and

:26:10. > :26:14.Every spare five minutes, ten minutes you get,

:26:15. > :26:20.I just think, whip it out, have a quick look, see who's around.

:26:21. > :26:23.If there's anyone close who looks decent, why not?

:26:24. > :26:26.How often would you go further than having a little chat online

:26:27. > :26:33.It used to be, quite honestly, at least several times a week that

:26:34. > :26:41.When you get to the point of meeting people, are you sober,

:26:42. > :26:45.What state are you in, generally, when you meet people?

:26:46. > :26:49.I would say eight times out of ten I am sober.

:26:50. > :26:51.There are a few odd occasions when I've met someone very,

:26:52. > :26:57.You can almost equate it to almost a one-night stand.

:26:58. > :27:00.You wake up in the morning and they're still there

:27:01. > :27:05.and you're sort of... "Oh, no, what's gone on?"

:27:06. > :27:09.Josh has had a couple of close shaves using the apps.

:27:10. > :27:12.On one occasion, his hook up refused to let him leave.

:27:13. > :27:15.I think I logged off it for another few months before eventually

:27:16. > :27:21.I turned around again and was like, oh well, bad experience,

:27:22. > :27:25.but, you know, carry on using it, like everyone else.

:27:26. > :27:28.What would be serious enough for you to even contemplate

:27:29. > :27:34.If I was, I don't know, perhaps if I was actually raped or

:27:35. > :27:41.But even then, there would be a lot of hesitation.

:27:42. > :27:44.Supposing it got to a court and things like this and you had

:27:45. > :27:48.to explain the circumstances of, how did this come about?

:27:49. > :27:53.I would feel that it would just be all thrown back at you.

:27:54. > :27:57.And you'd be in the spotlight for saying, well, look

:27:58. > :28:06.For Josh, society's perception of gay hook-up apps were a real

:28:07. > :28:13.So I wanted to get a sense of how other gay men use the apps

:28:14. > :28:15.and what they would do if they were assaulted.

:28:16. > :28:18.Guys, can I just ask you a quick question at all?

:28:19. > :28:22.I met someone that was really, really dodgy.

:28:23. > :28:26.I bought someone back and I couldn't wait to get him out of me flat.

:28:27. > :28:29.I never had anyone, like, turn up at the door and they were,

:28:30. > :28:32.like, a different picture or anything, no.

:28:33. > :28:35.You're always likely to meet some kind of weirdo

:28:36. > :28:37.or some kind of lunatic in G-A-Y or somewhere down

:28:38. > :28:44.to mug you off or take you for a ride, anyway.

:28:45. > :28:47.A lot of people are really, really just after sex on Grindr, so,

:28:48. > :28:51.you're going to the police and start going on about your

:28:52. > :28:58.If you did have a negative experience in that maybe he became

:28:59. > :29:01.a victim of crime after a hook-up meet, would you feel comfortable

:29:02. > :29:03.speaking to the police about that do you feel?

:29:04. > :29:07.I wouldn't have any qualms about that.

:29:08. > :29:10.I would blame myself more and I would probably be too

:29:11. > :29:14.embarrassed to go and say, look, this has happened.

:29:15. > :29:19.Figures for the number of sexual assaults relating to hook-up apps

:29:20. > :29:24.In the first six months of 2016, 50 sexual assaults were reported

:29:25. > :29:33.But a leading LGBT charity, who've been supporting

:29:34. > :29:35.Port's surviving victims, say the numbers are likely

:29:36. > :29:40.Yeah, we've seen a dramatic rise in the number of sexual

:29:41. > :29:45.We, of course, don't know whether that is because there's

:29:46. > :29:49.actually has been a rise in sexual assaults happening or whether it's

:29:50. > :29:55.But it's definitely an increase that we've seen.

:29:56. > :29:57.What more could apps be doing to keep their users safe?

:29:58. > :30:00.Apps could be doing a lot more to protect people's safety.

:30:01. > :30:03.There should be better whistle-blowing facilities

:30:04. > :30:06.for people to report fake profiles and that those profiles do

:30:07. > :30:11.And they could work proactively with the police to almost use apps

:30:12. > :30:14.as a third-party reporting system to, kind of, identify people that

:30:15. > :30:19.In your mind, could the police be doing more to encourage

:30:20. > :30:30.It's that initial report being received well and believed.

:30:31. > :30:32.And having the knowledge to understand what someone

:30:33. > :30:35.is talking about and then going forward, that the cases

:30:36. > :30:39.are handled in an appropriate and sensitive way.

:30:40. > :30:44.Of the over 100 we've seen in the last few years of clients

:30:45. > :30:49.that have come to Galop and reported sexual assault in a chem-sex or

:30:50. > :30:52.hook-up way, not one has been charged and gone to court.

:30:53. > :30:55.And the police accept there is a problem.

:30:56. > :30:57.There is underreporting, we know there's underreporting, but,

:30:58. > :31:00.of course, you would expect me to say we would always want

:31:01. > :31:05.People always say, when individuals go to the doctor, the doctor

:31:06. > :31:08.will have heard it all before, don't worry about going to your doctor.

:31:09. > :31:12.We want people to come to us and there isn't really anything

:31:13. > :31:15.people can come and report to us that we haven't heard before.

:31:16. > :31:19.I don't want any embarrassment or confidence issues associated

:31:20. > :31:29.Sometimes when men hook up, they've willingly taken drugs,

:31:30. > :31:32.so when the offence takes place, they are concerned about going

:31:33. > :31:38.We wouldn't be pursuing the fact that they've taken drugs.

:31:39. > :31:41.What we would do is be interested in the serious offence

:31:42. > :31:47.And, therefore, there shouldn't be, I know there is, but there shouldn't

:31:48. > :31:49.be any concerns about the gay community reporting things

:31:50. > :31:52.Could the apps themselves be doing more to prevent

:31:53. > :31:58.The way technology is, some of these safety messages

:31:59. > :32:06.The sort of things that spring to mind are get to know

:32:07. > :32:10.You're never going to know somebody online the same way as you're

:32:11. > :32:14.And, actually, years gone by, you would meet somebody and then

:32:15. > :32:16.meet them again and then meet them again.

:32:17. > :32:19.So, actually, what we want people to do is get

:32:20. > :32:23.Stay in public, until you're entirely comfortable.

:32:24. > :32:25.I think some of these apps could take more responsibility

:32:26. > :32:27.for passing on those safety messages, so that offences didn't

:32:28. > :32:33.Sadly, none of this will make any difference to Stephen Port's victims

:32:34. > :32:36.or their families, but it might help stop another man

:32:37. > :32:55.It's took things away that can never be replaced.

:32:56. > :32:58.And we have to live with that. We all do.

:32:59. > :33:17.Without somebody that was so special to us.

:33:18. > :33:20.And we did approach some of the apps mentioned in the film, but no one

:33:21. > :33:33.Incredibly painful. Here is a neat with the latest news headlines.

:33:34. > :33:36.The NSPCC says since it opened a dedicated football abuse helpline

:33:37. > :33:38.this morning it's passed information from 20 calls to the police

:33:39. > :33:42.Four former players have now gone public to say they were abused

:33:43. > :33:49.It comes as the Football Association is due to meet Andy Woodward

:33:50. > :33:51.at Wembley this morning to discuss the allegations.

:33:52. > :33:54.John Cameron from the NSPCC says he expects the number of people

:33:55. > :33:58.The hotline has now been running for two hours.

:33:59. > :34:00.I've just checked with our call centre.

:34:01. > :34:04.We've received in excess of 50 contacts, nearly 20 of those have

:34:05. > :34:07.resulted in further information being passed to the police for their

:34:08. > :34:12.So this is quite a considerable number of contacts at

:34:13. > :34:19.We are likely to get many, many more.

:34:20. > :34:23.The government has defended gloomy forecasts for the economy set out in

:34:24. > :34:25.the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, after fierce criticism

:34:26. > :34:28.The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts that leaving

:34:29. > :34:30.the EU will cost Britain about ?60 billion

:34:31. > :34:39.But Philip Hammond said the government's aim was to continue

:34:40. > :34:41.growing the economy, but it was good to prepare

:34:42. > :34:46.A health trust has apologised after details emerged

:34:47. > :34:49.of a series of failures in maternity care at two of its hospitals.

:34:50. > :34:51.An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General

:34:52. > :34:53.hospitals was only made public after an investigation

:34:54. > :34:58.The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely

:34:59. > :35:03.was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal.

:35:04. > :35:06.In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms,

:35:07. > :35:09.believing she had mental heath issues instead.

:35:10. > :35:13.The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospital,

:35:14. > :35:23.Researchers say predatory bacteria, which eat others of their kind,

:35:24. > :35:26.could be a new weapon in the fight against drug resistant superbugs.

:35:27. > :35:28.The studies on animals, acted like a living antibiotic

:35:29. > :35:30.to help clear an otherwise lethal infection, and suggested

:35:31. > :35:34.Experts say the approach was unusual but should not be overlooked,

:35:35. > :35:40.as more levels of bacteria become resistant to drugs.

:35:41. > :35:48.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

:35:49. > :35:56.We have just had a statement from the sports minister, Tracey Crouch,

:35:57. > :35:59.regarding the sex scandal. The players that have broken their

:36:00. > :36:03.silence to speak out about the abuse they suffered have shown incredible

:36:04. > :36:07.bravery. This safety of participants in sport at every level is

:36:08. > :36:11.paramount. Governing bodies, clubs and coaches have a duty of care to

:36:12. > :36:15.young people who attend sports clubs. The child protection in sport

:36:16. > :36:20.unit has standards and safeguards for protecting children in sport

:36:21. > :36:21.which organisations have got to adhere to. Now the rest of the

:36:22. > :36:25.sport. Thank you. A mixed bag for the British teams

:36:26. > :36:31.in European football last night. Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola

:36:32. > :36:34.says his team can now focus on the Premier League,

:36:35. > :36:36.after securing a place in the knockout stages

:36:37. > :36:38.of the Champions League. They drew 1-1 at Borussia

:36:39. > :36:40.Monchengladbach. David Silva with

:36:41. > :36:42.the equalising goal. They are out of the competition

:36:43. > :36:47.after losing 2-0 to Barcelona Lionel Messi scored both goals

:36:48. > :36:51.to keep Celtic bottom That is the same group as Manchester

:36:52. > :36:58.City. Joining City in the last

:36:59. > :37:00.16 will be Arsenal. Although they might be disappointed

:37:01. > :37:02.with Paris Saint Germain's equalising goal, which means

:37:03. > :37:06.they now face a struggle to top their group and receive

:37:07. > :37:09.a more favourable draw And Scotland's men have missed out

:37:10. > :37:14.on a place in the semi-finals of the European Curling

:37:15. > :37:15.Championships, but They've won all 8 of their group

:37:16. > :37:22.games and are under way in the final It is 6-3 to Scotland with four ends

:37:23. > :37:31.to play. That's all the sport

:37:32. > :37:33.from me for now. I'll have more on the BBC

:37:34. > :37:35.News Channel throughout the day. Slower economic growth and more

:37:36. > :37:38.borrowing because of the vote to leave the European Union -

:37:39. > :37:41.just two things to come out of Chancellor Philip Hammond's

:37:42. > :37:42.first Autumn Statement. What else was in it

:37:43. > :37:45.and what does it mean for you? Our political guru Norman Smith

:37:46. > :37:52.is across all of the fallout. Thank you. This is the Chancellor's

:37:53. > :37:56.good book containing the facts, figures and forecasts. Maybe not the

:37:57. > :38:00.good book. A book of gloom because it pains a dire picture. Let's take

:38:01. > :38:08.a look at the Treasury cash registers and the bills coming our

:38:09. > :38:13.way. Prices. We are all going to be paying more in the shops with

:38:14. > :38:18.inflation set to peak at 2.5%. That is painful. Also the standard of

:38:19. > :38:22.living, the expectation is that our standard of living could go down by

:38:23. > :38:33.around 3%. That is not such great news. Gross, -- growth, that will

:38:34. > :38:41.dip by 2.5% through slower exports and reduced immigration. The

:38:42. > :38:54.Colossus of the bills is debt which will reach a staggering ?2 trillion.

:38:55. > :38:57.An extra 122 billion just by 2020 so a massive increase in the amount of

:38:58. > :39:00.money we owe to the rest of the world. What has been the response of

:39:01. > :39:10.the Brexiteers to the gloomy forecast? They have accused the

:39:11. > :39:15.Office for Budget Responsibility of being scaremongers and producing

:39:16. > :39:20.project via Mark two. As a Brexiteer, who fought on the side of

:39:21. > :39:23.Leave the six months, there were forecasts coming out of our ears

:39:24. > :39:25.that the world would end on the 24th of June and I'm pleased to say it

:39:26. > :39:29.didn't. Suspicion of experts goes back

:39:30. > :39:32.into antiquity and it's a very Experts, soothsayers,

:39:33. > :39:34.astrologers are all in Well, we've had a lot of forecasts

:39:35. > :39:38.so far and the forecasts tend to take the worst possible case,

:39:39. > :39:41.which is right, in a sense, because the government needs

:39:42. > :39:43.to prepare for the worst. But every forecast

:39:44. > :39:50.so far has been wrong. So much for the big economics and

:39:51. > :39:55.the big politics. How will the statement of fact ordinary folk and

:39:56. > :40:01.their daily lives? Insuring premiums are going up. It is estimated if you

:40:02. > :40:05.wrap together premiums for your car insurance, your house insurance and

:40:06. > :40:08.your pet insurance, that could be ?90 more every year. On the plus

:40:09. > :40:16.side, the national living wage is going up to ?7.50 per hour, an

:40:17. > :40:21.estimated ?500 extra for some people. Fuel duty frozen for another

:40:22. > :40:28.year. That could be worth maybe ?140 for motorists, and more homes.

:40:29. > :40:34.40,000 more affordable homes being paid for by an extra 1 billion from

:40:35. > :40:37.the Treasury. This is an interesting fact. Mrs May said that she wanted

:40:38. > :40:46.to help those who were struggling, the so-called JAMs, that nasty

:40:47. > :40:49.phrase means those just about managing. The people who will be

:40:50. > :40:55.squeezed Tardis will be the bottom 30%. -- squeezed hardest. How did

:40:56. > :40:58.Mrs May respond? Well, let's just think

:40:59. > :41:02.of who we are talking about when I talked

:41:03. > :41:05.These are people who have a job but worry

:41:06. > :41:07.about their security, they have a home but

:41:08. > :41:10.We're helping people in a variety of ways.

:41:11. > :41:12.Of course, that includes raising the national living

:41:13. > :41:14.wage, raising personal tax allowance, which will take more

:41:15. > :41:17.people out of paying tax altogether and give a tax cut to people.

:41:18. > :41:19.And of course, we are committed to building

:41:20. > :41:23.more affordable homes but what matters is

:41:24. > :41:27.underneath all of this is ensuring we have a strong economy.

:41:28. > :41:33.That is what the Autumn Statement was about yesterday. Ensuring we

:41:34. > :41:38.have a strong economy and we are investing in the future. That means

:41:39. > :41:43.jobs for people for the future. So all in all, the gloomy forecast. So

:41:44. > :41:47.what on earth is Philip Hammond smiling about? Take a look at this

:41:48. > :41:54.picture that the Treasury release of Philip Hammond smiling away looking

:41:55. > :41:59.at his Autumn Statement. What is he smiling about? Maybe answers on a

:42:00. > :42:04.postcard or may tweak us to say why Philip Hammond is smiling. That is a

:42:05. > :42:08.good idea. 15 minutes left of this programme so hurry. Coming up:

:42:09. > :42:11.Should people who use Class A drugs be allowed to get them safety-tested

:42:12. > :42:14.One leading police officer thinks that could be useful.

:42:15. > :42:19.He is even talking to the Home Office about it.

:42:20. > :42:21.Today Thomas Mair begins a life sentence for the murder

:42:22. > :42:36.and far right literature, an obsession with Nazi paraphernalia

:42:37. > :42:38.carried out what police and prosecutors called an act

:42:39. > :42:41.of terror, repeatedly stabbing and shooting Mrs Cox on the way

:42:42. > :42:43.to her constituency surgery in Birstall in West Yorkshire.

:42:44. > :42:46.West Yorkshire Police have told us this morning that they are looking

:42:47. > :42:49.for an accomplice who supplied the gun to Thomas Mair.

:42:50. > :42:55.They say that gun was stolen along with ammunition

:42:56. > :42:58.from a car in August last year, but that they don't

:42:59. > :42:59.believe Mair himself was behind the theft.

:43:00. > :43:02.In Brighton is the Labour MP Peter Kyle who was

:43:03. > :43:08.Like her, he worked in the charity sector before becoming

:43:09. > :43:19.Hello. How do you react to the sentence first of all? Relief,

:43:20. > :43:22.firstly. Relief primarily for the family that they can know that the

:43:23. > :43:28.justice system worked and they did a great job. The judge, in reading his

:43:29. > :43:31.summing up statement yesterday, I think he did a really good job of

:43:32. > :43:37.giving relief to the family, making sure that he could face the

:43:38. > :43:41.criminal, the murderer, and say some really tough things to him and make

:43:42. > :43:44.sure he pointed out that it was Jo Cox he was the patria and not him. I

:43:45. > :43:54.think it is important that we hear these things from people in serious

:43:55. > :43:59.situations like this. I am not as forgiving and gracious as Brendan,

:44:00. > :44:02.Jo Cox's husband, who I thought was absolutely beautiful in his response

:44:03. > :44:06.and the dignity that he and the family showed was remarkable and the

:44:07. > :44:14.heart goes out to them today. Do you believe it was an act of terror? I

:44:15. > :44:18.think to say it was an act of terror and put it on the scale of things

:44:19. > :44:23.like what is going on in Syria and in Aleppo at this time, and to

:44:24. > :44:28.compare them to the IRA in the past and things like that, I think that

:44:29. > :44:32.would somehow take away the personal responsibility that this man had and

:44:33. > :44:38.needs to take responsibility for, his own actions. He did this. He

:44:39. > :44:43.chose to do this. He wasn't driven by being instructed by anyone. There

:44:44. > :44:47.was free will involved in this. He is a murderer, murderer, and he is

:44:48. > :44:51.now behind bars for the rest of his life and I and I hope I never have

:44:52. > :44:59.to mention his name for as long as I live. Tell us about working with Jo

:45:00. > :45:04.Cox. Jo was a remarkable person. Only a few of us in Parliament were

:45:05. > :45:10.front line aid workers before Angie and I bonded very quickly after

:45:11. > :45:14.going in. We had a lot of mutual friends and shared experiences so we

:45:15. > :45:17.spoke very quickly and we talked a lot about foreign affairs and we

:45:18. > :45:20.work together in the run-up to the Syria vote earlier this year. We

:45:21. > :45:23.would spend hours and hours into the early hours of the morning working

:45:24. > :45:27.together trying to understand and challenge each other and get under

:45:28. > :45:32.the hood of all the issues. We went to see ministers together. We had a

:45:33. > :45:36.close working relationship. She was very maternal, great fun, intensely

:45:37. > :45:39.bright, and also very ambitious. I think we need to see her in the

:45:40. > :45:42.round and celebrate the fact that she was an ambitious politician who

:45:43. > :45:47.brought warmth, humanity and maternal spirit to the job, and that

:45:48. > :45:51.is why so many people connected with her when they found out about her

:45:52. > :45:53.life sadly after her murder. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:45:54. > :45:57.Should clubs in the UK test the drugs nightclub

:45:58. > :46:03.In Switzerland clubbers can drop drugs off mid week to get them

:46:04. > :46:08.Police there say it's saving lives and there are some calls for it

:46:09. > :46:13.One of the country's leading police chiefs says it could be

:46:14. > :46:16.useful and he's talking to the Home Office about it.

:46:17. > :46:19.Last year, ecstasy was linked to 57 deaths here, according to the ONS.

:46:20. > :46:22.Jim Connolly has been to Switzerland to see how it works -

:46:23. > :46:30.we played you his full film earlier, here's a short extract.

:46:31. > :46:33.So, it's a Wednesday in Bern Switzerland.

:46:34. > :46:35.Probably not what you're thinking when you're thinking big nights out

:46:36. > :46:38.in Europe but people here are getting ready for a Friday,

:46:39. > :46:41.They're going to be dropping drugs off in this anonymous

:46:42. > :46:46.The only reason you'd know what it is, is this

:46:47. > :46:56.Nick is one of the councillors who runs the centre.

:46:57. > :46:59.This guy is the first to drop off his drugs and he'll

:47:00. > :47:02.A short counselling session is compulsory if you

:47:03. > :47:05.How does it feel talking about your drug use?

:47:06. > :47:08.No, not that much because everybody talks about that.

:47:09. > :47:12.So, everyone knows drugs and knows how it is to be on drugs,

:47:13. > :47:15.Nick can't handle the drugs being dropped off.

:47:16. > :47:18.What do you think you've dropped off?

:47:19. > :47:21.You think you dropped off an ecstasy tablet?

:47:22. > :47:34.So that I know that I don't take anything that isn't good

:47:35. > :47:37.Ecstasy isn't good, because it's a drug,

:47:38. > :47:42.At least there is not something that shouldn't be in MDMA.

:47:43. > :47:47.Will you feel safer, because of that drug being tested?

:47:48. > :47:54.As long as I know that it's ecstasy and not something different,

:47:55. > :48:01.Because I already make the risk that it could do me

:48:02. > :48:10.It's Thursday and we've come to meet Hans, who runs this drug-testing lab

:48:11. > :48:13.Hi, Hans, nice to meet you. Hi.

:48:14. > :48:15.It tests anything from stuff you can buy in your pharmacy,

:48:16. > :48:20.The testing is being done today by Fabian.

:48:21. > :48:23.This is the pill we saw being handed in last night.

:48:24. > :48:32.Some people would say you're encouraging drug use,

:48:33. > :48:35.by giving people results about what's in their drugs.

:48:36. > :48:38.Those people that show up in our facilities, they already

:48:39. > :48:48.And with our programme, we have here, I say,

:48:49. > :48:55.if we can just prevent one person being brought to the emergency

:48:56. > :48:59.room of the hospital, it's worth all the cost.

:49:00. > :49:08.You're going to get the results, what have we found?

:49:09. > :49:11.And that is a very, very strong reading?

:49:12. > :49:17.Yeah, we give a warning when it's over 120 million

:49:18. > :49:22.But what do people heading clubbing in the area think?

:49:23. > :49:26.When you have the possibility to use the service, so you know

:49:27. > :49:32.And I think it's a better feeling when you know what you take.

:49:33. > :49:35.I have one strict other website where you can, like, if you buy

:49:36. > :49:42.If there's any dangerous drugs around, they warn you about it.

:49:43. > :49:48.It's your decision if you take drugs.

:49:49. > :49:58.I think it's more safe if you take drugs that are tested.

:49:59. > :50:01.Let's speak to George Hull, owner of Bloc nightclub in Hackney Wick

:50:02. > :50:04.in London Fiona Spargo-Mabbs, her son Daniel died of a fatal

:50:05. > :50:13.Her family opened the Daniel Spargo-Mabbs foundation

:50:14. > :50:16.after his death which runs drugs awareness programmes for schools.

:50:17. > :50:22.And in Salford is Fiona Measham, Leading campaigner for open drugs

:50:23. > :50:25.testing in the UK, she tests the drugs for purity and also

:50:26. > :50:39.Welcome all of you. Fiona, tell us about the MDMA drug your son took?

:50:40. > :50:44.The drug Dan took was incredibly strong. He was 167, went out with a

:50:45. > :50:47.group of boys. I thought he was at a party, actually they went to the

:50:48. > :50:54.other side of London to an illegal rave, five of them took MDMA, the

:50:55. > :50:59.keep coo that's in ecstasy and Dan's happened to be incredibly strong and

:51:00. > :51:03.he died from multiple organ failure a couple of days later -- he was 16.

:51:04. > :51:10.How do you cope with that? I don't know. You just have one day that

:51:11. > :51:18.follows another really. From that, we, because Dan was who he was, you

:51:19. > :51:22.know, he was bright, popular, kind, he had was just Dan, you know, we

:51:23. > :51:26.thought if it could happen to him it could happen to anybody. We found

:51:27. > :51:29.out a back story of the influence and persuasion of people around him

:51:30. > :51:33.and we thought actually it really could be anybody and we wanted to do

:51:34. > :51:35.anything that we could to make sure that other young people had the

:51:36. > :51:39.information and understanding that they needed to make sure that they

:51:40. > :51:44.kept themselves safe from any kind of harm from drugs.

:51:45. > :51:48.If that drug had been tested, he would have known how dangerous it

:51:49. > :51:54.was? Yes. Yes. You don't know if that would have stopped him from

:51:55. > :52:00.taking it. If he knew it was going to kill him, he wouldn't have taken

:52:01. > :52:03.it. That's why the testing Fiona's done is so brilliant. You need to

:52:04. > :52:08.understand it's not just to know that that's got that much MDMA, you

:52:09. > :52:12.need to know the effect of it, and whether it could be lethal. Whether

:52:13. > :52:17.the teenage boys would have had their drug tests we don't know.

:52:18. > :52:21.Fiona, tell us a bit about what the loop does? We have been going for

:52:22. > :52:24.the past three years or so into nightclubs and testing

:52:25. > :52:29.behind-the-scenes and this summer we introduced front of house testing.

:52:30. > :52:36.By that I mean we were testing drugs users brought to us. We'd give them

:52:37. > :52:39.a unique number, do a barrage of tests, they'd come back and have a

:52:40. > :52:43.harm reduction package, talking about that particular drug and the

:52:44. > :52:54.risks of it, as well as a broader picture in relation to their own

:52:55. > :52:58.drugs history and possibly be talked to about the combinations of alcohol

:52:59. > :53:02.for example in combination with the drugs. George, what do you think of

:53:03. > :53:07.that approach? I've been a promoter for about ten years or so running

:53:08. > :53:14.big festivals and dance events so I guess you could say I've been on the

:53:15. > :53:17.front line of enforcement, also harm reduction, looking after people

:53:18. > :53:23.who've chosen to conceal drugs and take them to events. I would favour

:53:24. > :53:31.a move towards helping with the harm rereduction side of things. If you

:53:32. > :53:35.accept that enforcers can work with prohibition, it can never be 100%

:53:36. > :53:38.effective, you move into the next phase which is harm reduction and

:53:39. > :53:44.something like having a better understanding of what is contained

:53:45. > :53:48.in drugs so that you can be sure, you know, what people are taking,

:53:49. > :53:54.whether it's extremely pure, maybe very impure. But you are never going

:53:55. > :53:58.to know that. Even if - Fiona, you are absolutely for educating school

:53:59. > :54:02.children, pupils in schools about the dangers of things like MDAM -

:54:03. > :54:05.you know, they could have all the information in the world, then you

:54:06. > :54:11.are in a club with your friends. I know. You are the person who goes,

:54:12. > :54:15.it's not going the happen to me, I'm invincible, I'm 16, my life is ahead

:54:16. > :54:18.of me? We also talk about life skills and understanding peer

:54:19. > :54:22.influence, also the way that your brain develops, you are more likely

:54:23. > :54:26.to take risks as a teenager if you are being watched by your peers. To

:54:27. > :54:30.a certain extent that's just the way it is, but with more

:54:31. > :54:35.self-consciousness about your decision-making and being able to

:54:36. > :54:39.use the bits of your brain that can retain information, bring to bear

:54:40. > :54:45.the bits that aren't developed and making decisions on it. I say to

:54:46. > :54:49.youngsters, it's never an easy decision, it's a social environment,

:54:50. > :54:52.you are with people you know, like, trust and opinions you respect and

:54:53. > :54:55.you might have had a couple of drinks and your decision-making

:54:56. > :55:02.isn't clear. It's never an easy decision but we can only do what we

:55:03. > :55:06.can do. Yes. Fiona Measham where are you on this, if you offer this

:55:07. > :55:13.upfront drugs testing which has happened in a couple of festivals

:55:14. > :55:18.already and you have done it at various venues, if you you ever

:55:19. > :55:24.offer the service, people say you are encouraging it? We are dealing

:55:25. > :55:28.with a pragmatic situation. It might be that the dealers don't even know

:55:29. > :55:34.what is in the drugs they have been sold. We have tested and found acid

:55:35. > :55:40.being sold as cocaine, we have found tablets have been sold as cocaine

:55:41. > :55:42.that aren't cocaine and we have found 100% concrete ecstasy tablets

:55:43. > :55:46.so this is the information we can get out to people. We found one

:55:47. > :55:50.fifth of the people that came to us asked us to dispose of the drugs,

:55:51. > :55:55.that they didn't want to take them at all, so they were engaging

:55:56. > :55:59.seriously with the service but were also pretty horrified at what they

:56:00. > :56:03.were being sold. An e-mail from Anne - I don't think she's pulling my leg

:56:04. > :56:14.- I'm going to stick my neck out, she says every year I go to Ibiza

:56:15. > :56:20.with my daughters, we take drugs, millions of people take E. Let's do

:56:21. > :56:25.harm reduction and do what Zurich does, please, it will not take

:56:26. > :56:29.people take more drugs, humans throughout time have always wanted

:56:30. > :56:33.to get high, let's recognise it and make it safe. I have bought myself a

:56:34. > :56:39.testing kit. Lee says who pays for the drugs to be tested because he

:56:40. > :56:45.says, as a hard-working drug-free taxpayer it better not be me. What

:56:46. > :56:48.do you say to that? The loop is a volunteer service, run by donations

:56:49. > :56:52.and volunteers so individual users don't pay, it's a free service.

:56:53. > :56:56.There is a small donation paid by the event itself out of their

:56:57. > :57:00.profits, then we provide information not just to users but to all on site

:57:01. > :57:05.services, so the police, to medical services. We respond to medical

:57:06. > :57:08.emergencies and can say exactly what is in the substance that might be

:57:09. > :57:13.causing problems and that can help reduce pressure on the NHS. We'd

:57:14. > :57:20.like to see ourselves as saving taxpayering money, not spending it.

:57:21. > :57:24.-- taxpaying money. A viewer says, it's illegal, arrest people for it.

:57:25. > :57:28.What do you say to that? It's the approach the national drugs policy

:57:29. > :57:32.takes but evidently it's not 100% effective and beyond that, there are

:57:33. > :57:36.ways and means of helping to reduce harm and reduce the harm to the

:57:37. > :57:42.individual and harm to society from drugs being consumed. Moves towards

:57:43. > :57:45.drug testing, certain ways of mitigating risk seem very sensible

:57:46. > :57:49.to me. This viewer says we should be safety

:57:50. > :57:54.testing recreational drugs, Governments have been losing the war

:57:55. > :57:57.on drugs for over 40 years leading to unnecessary deaths, time for a

:57:58. > :58:02.more sensible policy. Thank you all very much. Thanks for

:58:03. > :58:05.coming on the programme, George, Fiona and Fiona, thank you very

:58:06. > :58:09.much. Thanks for your company as well today. BBC newsroom live is

:58:10. > :58:31.coming up next. We are back tomorrow at 9, join us then. Thank you.

:58:32. > :58:34.The most daunting of cookery challenges is back.

:58:35. > :58:36.It's not as simple as it first appears, is it?

:58:37. > :58:43.It's going to take a very skilled chef to pull this off to that level.

:58:44. > :58:46.I can't wait to see what they can do.