25/11/2016

:00:00. > :00:07.Hello it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:08. > :00:14.'My football career was snatched from under my feet',

:00:15. > :00:17.'he was a monster', 'I couldn't say anything because I

:00:18. > :00:19.wanted to get on in football' - the words of players

:00:20. > :00:21.who were alleged victims of paedophile youth

:00:22. > :00:30.This morning, on the programme, two more talk

:00:31. > :00:32.publicly for the very first time about the abuse they say

:00:33. > :00:43.Andy Woodward first revealed his abuse on this programme last week.

:00:44. > :00:50.Also on the programme - Exclusive access to the UK's only

:00:51. > :00:53.And - will be seeing more scenes like this on Black Friday today?

:00:54. > :00:57.Or are some of the deals not quite what they seem?

:00:58. > :01:00.Also on the programme - Exclusive access to the UK's only

:01:01. > :01:02.rehabilitation and treatment centre for mothers and babies addicted

:01:03. > :01:07.To have him still with me is amazing to be quite honest. They tried to

:01:08. > :01:17.taken straight from birth. Do this without? No. Without you I couldn't

:01:18. > :01:19.do it. Because there was no point, is there. There is no point without

:01:20. > :01:28.you. Welcome to the programme,

:01:29. > :01:33.we're live until 11am. Throughout the programme we'll bring

:01:34. > :01:37.you the latest breaking news - at around 10.30 we're expecting

:01:38. > :01:39.Stephen Port to be sentencde for the murder four men

:01:40. > :01:42.he met on gay dating apps. We'll bring you the details as soon

:01:43. > :01:49.as it happens and if you've been up since the early hours

:01:50. > :01:52.buying your Black Friday bargains, let us know what your best deal has

:01:53. > :01:57.been, how much money you've saved. Here's how to get in touch-

:01:58. > :02:00.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text,

:02:01. > :02:02.you will be charged More former footballers

:02:03. > :02:09.have come forward to say they were sexually abused by youth

:02:10. > :02:12.coaches in the game - Most of the claims still involve

:02:13. > :02:16.the former Crewe Alexandra youth coach Barry Bennell,

:02:17. > :02:18.but there are fears that paedophiles may have preyed on youngsters

:02:19. > :02:20.at other clubs. We'll be speaking exclusively to two

:02:21. > :02:22.more former players who've waived their anonymity to tell us

:02:23. > :02:25.they were abused as children. With each day more former

:02:26. > :02:29.players are coming forward to tell their stories of alleged

:02:30. > :02:31.abuse by football coaches At the centre of the allegations

:02:32. > :02:35.is Barry Bennell, a former coach at Crewe Alexandra in the '80s

:02:36. > :02:39.and '90s, who served three separate prison sentences for

:02:40. > :02:43.abusing young boys. Last week the former Crewe player

:02:44. > :02:48.Andy Woodward broke his silence to tell of the abuse he suffered

:02:49. > :02:51.at the hands of Bennell, and this morning two more former

:02:52. > :02:56.youth players told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme

:02:57. > :03:04.their stories of alleged abuse These allegations are sending shock

:03:05. > :03:11.waves through British football, with claims that hundreds

:03:12. > :03:13.of youngsters could have been affected, and questions over how

:03:14. > :03:16.many coaches may have been involved. This morning another unnamed player

:03:17. > :03:18.has told the Guardian newspaper that he was abused by a different

:03:19. > :03:22.coach while he was in the youth A hotline set up the NSPCC yesterday

:03:23. > :03:29.received more than 50 calls The England captain Wayne Rooney,

:03:30. > :03:33.who is an ambassador for the charity, has encouraged

:03:34. > :03:36.others who have been affected to come forward,

:03:37. > :03:37.saying they don't need Annita is in the BBC

:03:38. > :03:43.Newsroom with a summary A scathing report has accused

:03:44. > :03:50.Britain's biggest police force of putting children at risk

:03:51. > :03:52.because of "serious failings" in the way it deals

:03:53. > :03:54.with child abuse. The Inspectorate of Constabulary

:03:55. > :03:56.found that three-quarters of cases investigated

:03:57. > :04:01.by the Metropolitan Police were dealt with "inadequately"

:04:02. > :04:03.or needed improvement. It said there was an "indefensible"

:04:04. > :04:06.lack of leadership in child protection, with no single

:04:07. > :04:08.officer in charge. Scotland Yard has apologised,

:04:09. > :04:17.and said it will make changes. UK shoppers are expected

:04:18. > :04:20.to spend a record ?2 billion Retailers predict that more

:04:21. > :04:27.than three-quarters of spending will take place online -

:04:28. > :04:30.a 16% increase on last year. Some Black Friday deals have already

:04:31. > :04:43.been running for more than a week. Fresh doubts has been cast on

:04:44. > :04:46.Britain's abilities to start formal Brexit negotiations come March.

:04:47. > :04:53.Joseph Muscat - who takes over the rotating presidency

:04:54. > :04:56.A manhunt is underway in the south of France for an armed man

:04:57. > :04:59.who killed a woman in a retirement home where about sixty

:05:00. > :05:03.The hooded man burst into the home near the city of Montpellier,

:05:04. > :05:07.She managed to escape and alert police but when they arrived

:05:08. > :05:09.they found the body of another woman.

:05:10. > :05:12.Authorities say it is too early to suggest a motive.

:05:13. > :05:14.The Icelandic government has confirmed it is taking legal action

:05:15. > :05:18.against the supermarket chain Iceland in a trademark dispute

:05:19. > :05:22.The Nordic nation says it wants to ensure the right of Icelandic

:05:23. > :05:24.companies to use the word 'Iceland' without facing

:05:25. > :05:28."aggressive" challenges from the British business.

:05:29. > :05:30.A spokesman for the store said it would "vigorously defend"

:05:31. > :05:38.Proposals to make it a criminal offence for anyone to wear military

:05:39. > :05:41.medals they haven't been awarded, is being backed by the government.

:05:42. > :05:46.Penalties could include a maximum of six months imprisonment,

:05:47. > :05:51.The Commons Defence committee has already given its strong

:05:52. > :05:53.backing to the bill, which gets its second

:05:54. > :05:57.The nominations for the BBC Music Awards album of the year

:05:58. > :06:03.Rick Astley's comeback album '50' is among those shortlisted.

:06:04. > :06:05.It will go up against the latest releases by Adele,

:06:06. > :06:10.There's been some surprise that David Bowie's Blackstar didn't gain

:06:11. > :06:16.a spot on the list which is chosen by the Radio 2 playlist committee.

:06:17. > :06:27.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

:06:28. > :06:35.We're going to talk to four men in just a moment or two. Two who were

:06:36. > :06:39.already spoken publicly about the abuse they suffered at the hands of

:06:40. > :06:43.their former youth coach. And two more men who are speaking for the

:06:44. > :06:45.first time today about the abuse they experienced as young boys.

:06:46. > :06:59.Thank you The clubs have such a hold on the

:07:00. > :07:05.young boys, that boys and parents will do anything to make sure they

:07:06. > :07:08.are still in favour. This is a breeding ground for abuse when one

:07:09. > :07:14.side has so much power over the young boys. That was a tweet. This

:07:15. > :07:18.message from Wendy, it is so brave the these men to come forward living

:07:19. > :07:27.with that awful secret must have been hell will stop let's get some

:07:28. > :07:27.sport now, with Hugh. It was a fantastic

:07:28. > :07:39.night the Wayne Rooney with Manchester United wasn't it? Wayne

:07:40. > :07:43.Rooney said he didn't even go into the wedding where it was alleged he

:07:44. > :07:47.was strong, nearly a fortnight ago. But that shouldn't detract from his

:07:48. > :07:57.great performance in Manchester united's euro per league win. He

:07:58. > :08:02.scored the opener in a 4-0 victory. The result means a point in their

:08:03. > :08:06.final group match will take Jose Mourinho's men into the knockout

:08:07. > :08:14.stages. Agnew is the Southhampton, beating one nil. That means they

:08:15. > :08:21.will still need a goalless draw or win in their final group game in two

:08:22. > :08:23.weeks' time. Plenty of work for the British clubs.

:08:24. > :08:26.Staying with football and one of the games greats is now planning

:08:27. > :08:36.Indeed, what a career for Steven Gerard, the former England captain

:08:37. > :08:40.has called it a day after leaving LA Galaxy. He will be most remembered

:08:41. > :08:49.for his stellar career whilst at Liverpool. He made over seven

:08:50. > :08:53.careers for the club. He also and constant 40 England caps. The

:08:54. > :09:01.question is, what is next for Stevie G? In the future eye of dreams and

:09:02. > :09:04.aspirations of having a go of the management, or assisting the manager

:09:05. > :09:10.and being back in bold and the dressing room. But, you know where

:09:11. > :09:14.the many years to do that. And we say goodbye to another sporting

:09:15. > :09:18.British great, he says goodbye to a sport he loves as well. After 17

:09:19. > :09:26.years behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car. Jenson button says this will

:09:27. > :09:31.be his last Grand Prix. We're not sure whether he will take up new

:09:32. > :09:37.challenges in motorsport or not. He will do a lot more try our full on,

:09:38. > :09:41.he was well champion in 2009. He leads the sport having taken part in

:09:42. > :09:46.305 races. He says he will step away happy with what he has achieved and

:09:47. > :09:52.is life. Now. Best of luck to him as well.

:09:53. > :09:55.This morning, how widespread was historical sexual abuse in football?

:09:56. > :09:57.Three former youth players exclusively tell us about the abuse

:09:58. > :10:00.they say they suffered at the hands of their former coach Barry Bennell,

:10:01. > :10:04.Since Andy Woodward told us last week in his first broadcast

:10:05. > :10:06.interview that he'd been raped hundreds of times by Bennell whilst

:10:07. > :10:09.at Crewe Alexandra - in total six other players

:10:10. > :10:11.have now come forward to waive their right to anonymity.

:10:12. > :10:19.And we can speak to three of them now...

:10:20. > :10:25.Chris Unsworth says he was raped between 50 and 100 times by Bennell

:10:26. > :10:27.at Man City and Crewe youth teams, he didn't tell a single

:10:28. > :10:30.person about the abuse for over thirty years until in fact

:10:31. > :10:39.he saw our interview with Andy Woodward last week.

:10:40. > :10:41.Jason Dunford says he was abused once by Bennell

:10:42. > :10:44.at the Manchester City youth team - and when he told him

:10:45. > :10:46.to 'get off him' - Bennell effectively forced him out

:10:47. > :10:50.Neither of them turned professional - in part they say

:10:51. > :10:52.because of Bennell's abuse - they're both speaking publicly

:10:53. > :10:59.Steve Walters says he was repeatedly abused by Bennell whilst

:11:00. > :11:01.at Crewe Alexandra - this is his first TV interview

:11:02. > :11:04.And with them is Andy Woodward - the player whose revelations have

:11:05. > :11:06.inspired others to speak out at last.

:11:07. > :11:09.As you'd expect our conversation with them will be frank and open -

:11:10. > :11:13.and will cover details of sexual abuse.

:11:14. > :11:20.First of all thank you for coming on the programme today. I will start

:11:21. > :11:26.with Chris. When you first watch the interview with Andy, lastly, what

:11:27. > :11:34.effective have a new? Massive, really. Just watching Andy on TV, I

:11:35. > :11:42.was just at home with my girlfriend, who actually watched the TV

:11:43. > :11:47.interview and brought it home. We sat down and watched it. I didn't

:11:48. > :11:54.say anything apart from I knew Andy, at least to play with Andy. -- I

:11:55. > :11:59.used to play with auntie. We had a chat and she asked me about was OK.

:12:00. > :12:05.I came at home I sat at home and thought about this. I thought, I

:12:06. > :12:14.have got to come forward. I've got to come forward and help everyone.

:12:15. > :12:18.You had never told a soul? Know. I never told anyone. I kept it locked

:12:19. > :12:24.away right in the back of my head and still I really living things.

:12:25. > :12:34.Having a chat with the boys and reliving it. I never told a soul.

:12:35. > :12:42.You were first introduced to the now when he was a scout at Manchester

:12:43. > :12:47.city, how did the use again? Used to pick me up, I was probably one of

:12:48. > :12:56.the closest lads that lived to his house. In the Peak District? Yes. He

:12:57. > :13:03.used to pick me up and the abuse started in the car. He used a torch.

:13:04. > :13:11.We used to play games in the car. -- he used to torture. That is when all

:13:12. > :13:17.started. On the way to training? Ayes he used to touch. And then he

:13:18. > :13:24.invited you over to his house? That happened a little bit later, not

:13:25. > :13:30.long after. At first there was two or three or four lads that used to

:13:31. > :13:40.stay there. There was always two or three in the bed. Right, I'm going

:13:41. > :13:45.to ask you what he did to you. At first it started, the games used to

:13:46. > :13:54.start and it was hands everywhere. Down the pants and later it got more

:13:55. > :14:05.serious in the bedroom, where there was penetration, things like that.

:14:06. > :14:10.What age will you? I was about nine. And what did you, as a little boy,

:14:11. > :14:17.think was going on? I didn't know what was going on, to be fair. I

:14:18. > :14:22.just knew I wanted to get and I thought, this is obviously what I

:14:23. > :14:29.have to go through. Did you know it was wrong? I knew it was wrong, but

:14:30. > :14:39.I just went with it. I just went with it. Did you ever consider

:14:40. > :14:48.telling a friend, a team-mate, another adult? No, never. Why? It

:14:49. > :14:58.wasn't the in thing to do. You set your goals where you want to get to

:14:59. > :15:03.and it was never brought up, never. He's stopped after a few years as

:15:04. > :15:10.she got older. Yes, when you get a bit older you know you are growing

:15:11. > :15:23.up you are a young adult. Your body changes. That is when your time is

:15:24. > :15:30.it with him. He's onto a fresh boy. To a younger boy. Guest to younger

:15:31. > :15:37.boys. When you got to 1516, you turned your back on football? I did,

:15:38. > :15:44.yes I turn my back on football. I was lucky, is that the right word? I

:15:45. > :15:50.had other sports to tissue. I turned to be a professional golfer. -- add

:15:51. > :15:56.other sports to push you. I had a ball. And that was my escape route.

:15:57. > :16:01.And you turned your back on football because you associated it with this

:16:02. > :16:09.horror? Yes, somebody asked me that yesterday. At the time I don't know.

:16:10. > :16:19.Was I good enough, I don't know. Looking back, I would say yes I

:16:20. > :16:24.probably timed, football, I had had enough. That was it. I can't imagine

:16:25. > :16:25.what it is like for young boy growing up through adolescence into

:16:26. > :16:47.adult hood, and for decades keeping I chatted with my friend the other

:16:48. > :16:51.night about this. And you just get on with your life and you forget

:16:52. > :17:00.everything that has happened. As I say luckily I had my golf to go to

:17:01. > :17:11.and that guided me through I think. Both my parents have died. And that

:17:12. > :17:16.hurts me. Not telling them. Does it? Yes. I don't know if it's a good

:17:17. > :17:22.thing that I did not tell them because they would have blamed

:17:23. > :17:29.themselves, so... Chris, thank you for telling us. Such personal,

:17:30. > :17:37.intimate and also horrific details. I want to bring in Steve, if I may.

:17:38. > :17:38.I wonder, Steve, what the effect on you has been of revealing this

:17:39. > :18:22.secret? Reading about Andy, how brave he

:18:23. > :18:26.was, in the Guardian, I picked up the phone, because I was upset but

:18:27. > :18:35.in a way it was like the biggest relief, like I said to Andy, like

:18:36. > :18:40.100 tonnes lifted off my shoulders. Carrying this all my life, my career

:18:41. > :18:54.has been ruined, my relationships have been ruined. I just had to get

:18:55. > :18:59.it out there, I've got children, this can never happen to any more

:19:00. > :19:03.children. You had a reputation as being one of the finest young

:19:04. > :19:09.footballers in the country, as a teenager. That's right, people ask

:19:10. > :19:17.me, what happened to you, Steve. In a football environment, that's full

:19:18. > :19:28.of bravado, we've all met last night, our stories, we are all the

:19:29. > :19:36.same. I can't believe how brave, we've all been there, it's just...

:19:37. > :19:40.You think that he effectively snatched your footballing career

:19:41. > :19:51.away from you? Yes, that's what happens. What has disappointed me

:19:52. > :19:57.really is that Crewe Alexandra, I come from Plymouth, my dad is dead

:19:58. > :20:04.now but he ended up working at Crewe as well. My parents put trust into

:20:05. > :20:11.that football club. And basically they have let us down. All of us.

:20:12. > :20:19.Can you explain to our audience, Steve, why you were afraid to tell

:20:20. > :20:24.anyone? I have had problems with relationships with men. Because I

:20:25. > :20:34.have always thought, you know, am I gay? What's happened to us, he has

:20:35. > :20:43.made us feel like that. That's not right, you know. Every single

:20:44. > :20:51.relationship I have had with anybody, it is just so hard to

:20:52. > :20:56.explain. So difficult, honestly. In the early 1990s the police did talk

:20:57. > :20:59.to you, didn't they, when they started to investigate Barry

:21:00. > :21:06.Bennell? They came to my house on three separate occasions. I got told

:21:07. > :21:14.that I would never play football again. Somehow I managed to carry on

:21:15. > :21:19.and I ended up playing in the Conference but I still had that

:21:20. > :21:30.dream, I wanted to fight this and beat this. If I did, if it did come

:21:31. > :21:36.out, would people believe you? Back in that day and age, if you came out

:21:37. > :21:40.with this sort of accusations so to speak would anybody believe you and

:21:41. > :21:49.would you get the support we have had at the moment? Back then you

:21:50. > :21:56.just did not know. I'm going to read some messages from our audience. Are

:21:57. > :22:00.you all right, Andy? Yes, I'm just a bit emotional. Katie says, I want to

:22:01. > :22:03.praise these high-profile footballers are coming forward and

:22:04. > :22:08.being so brave to speak openly about the terrible things that happened to

:22:09. > :22:14.them. I hope that it will help to bring the culprits to justice. A

:22:15. > :22:18.tweet from scissors, watching Victoria Live, four brakeman on the

:22:19. > :22:23.programme. My heart goes out to these men, it takes incredible

:22:24. > :22:28.courage to speak to anyone about this, let alone tell the nation.

:22:29. > :22:32.Roxy says, incredible bravery being shown by these players on your

:22:33. > :22:37.programme, the epitome of courage, my heart goes out. This, from

:22:38. > :22:44.Steven, really brave man. Thank you all for your courage, guys. There

:22:45. > :22:47.are so many of these. David says, it's essential, get access to

:22:48. > :22:51.talking Canterbury, either individually or as a group. Victor

:22:52. > :22:59.says, respect for the courage of these men. I think, in your case,

:23:00. > :23:05.Steve -- get access to talking therapy. Barry Bennell was saying,

:23:06. > :23:14.stick with me and I will get you playing for England. That's correct,

:23:15. > :23:20.he made all these. Ron Mrs. -- he made all these false promises. His

:23:21. > :23:25.coaching skills was something we had never seen in this country before.

:23:26. > :23:31.He could do things with the football and we hadn't seen. He said he could

:23:32. > :23:38.produce that into the game, showed these tricks and flicks, promise you

:23:39. > :23:46.this and that. It was just all grooming, wasn't it? Since you spoke

:23:47. > :23:50.to the Guardian newspaper this week, Steve, do you think you have had

:23:51. > :23:53.enough support from the football world, from former professionals who

:23:54. > :23:59.are high profile? Have you had enough support from those kind of

:24:00. > :24:06.people? I would like a little more, really. A lot of high-profile team

:24:07. > :24:14.mates are out there, but still think, there is this bravado thing

:24:15. > :24:22.in football that needs to be sorted out. They have been successful in

:24:23. > :24:30.their careers, we have all had our lives and careers snatched away from

:24:31. > :24:35.us. We all need support from anybody and everybody out there. Clearly in

:24:36. > :24:39.your case, Steve, and renewals, Chris, you are speaking of this for

:24:40. > :24:43.the first time after all these decades, so what happened to you was

:24:44. > :24:47.not part of the evidence against Barry Bennell when he was jailed in

:24:48. > :25:00.the late 1990s. What do you want to happen now? Justice, now. The

:25:01. > :25:10.thought of Barry Bennell being out on the streets, for example, coming

:25:11. > :25:13.here our train was unfortunately terminated at Milton Keynes last

:25:14. > :25:21.night and that is where he is. We had to get off the train, and I said

:25:22. > :25:38.to my wife,... It's all right, it's all right. He could be here now! I

:25:39. > :25:45.just want justice. All this has got to be rectified as soon as possible.

:25:46. > :25:52.I'm going to bring in Jason, if I may. Thank you, Steve. Jason,

:25:53. > :25:58.compared to Andy, Steve and Chris, you describe yourself as "Lucky".

:25:59. > :26:04.Explain why? I feel that I am lucky because at the moment, what is

:26:05. > :26:10.determined now as sexual assault, I told him where to go. I confronted

:26:11. > :26:16.him. As I told the boys last night I will never forget the deathly still.

:26:17. > :26:26.And this was in his house? Negative, negative, this was in a holiday

:26:27. > :26:30.camp, at Butlins. - No, No. I will never forget that is there, but from

:26:31. > :26:34.that day forward I knew that my life would be really difficult with this

:26:35. > :26:47.guy. Because you told him where to go. I told him to F off. I remember

:26:48. > :26:53.physically hitting him. There was no retaliation from the guy. As a

:26:54. > :26:58.13-year-old boy, almost 14, I was the same as every boy on the sofa.

:26:59. > :27:05.By dreams of being a footballer. And every child who has a dream, to me,

:27:06. > :27:10.should be able to try to achieve that dream without having to go to

:27:11. > :27:18.sexual abuse or being around sexual predators. Barry Bennell, to me, was

:27:19. > :27:26.not only a dangerous man, you still is a dangerous man. -- he still is a

:27:27. > :27:29.dangerous man. But most of the lads who were involved in his coaching

:27:30. > :27:35.and in the squad is that he coached over the years, they'll find this

:27:36. > :27:42.very difficult, and hopefully, by what is going on, we are going to

:27:43. > :27:46.get some results. When you told him where to go he then started the mind

:27:47. > :27:50.games. He would tell you that he was going to play you and then he would

:27:51. > :27:54.drop you, you would turn up at the game, your mother would drive, how

:27:55. > :27:58.many miles, you would be standing on the sidelines and never get on. That

:27:59. > :28:04.was the start of him trying to isolate you, what else did he do? He

:28:05. > :28:07.detached me from the group by playing mind games. Like the lads

:28:08. > :28:12.have said, because you are following the dream you are prepared to go

:28:13. > :28:16.through with it. Why I feel different to these lads is that I

:28:17. > :28:22.was not prepared to put up with that. I love the game of football. I

:28:23. > :28:26.thought to myself, there are other ways around this. Barry Bennell is

:28:27. > :28:30.not the be all and end all of getting me where I want to go and if

:28:31. > :28:34.I have to go around the houses I will go to another team, I'll try

:28:35. > :28:43.something a bit different. As he tried to detach me from the group by

:28:44. > :28:46.fabricating stories of me amongst my team-mates,... He said that you had

:28:47. > :28:54.stolen money from one of your team-mates? Yeah. And he talk us to

:28:55. > :29:04.Norfolk for tournament, my father was working class and we went to the

:29:05. > :29:08.tournament, when we came back there was no trophy, the team had been

:29:09. > :29:13.dropped, defeated, my father said, why have you not played? Do you

:29:14. > :29:18.really want to tell your parents that you have been accused of being

:29:19. > :29:25.a thief? I had to make up a story for my parents. In my mother's head,

:29:26. > :29:33.she was just looking at the football side of it. Like every single parent

:29:34. > :29:40.that worked hard taking their children to the football, for those

:29:41. > :29:45.parents out there who are kicking themselves, don't be guilty. To not

:29:46. > :29:48.be guilty. Because this man was playing games, not only with the

:29:49. > :29:53.children, he was playing games with the parents heads as well. Let me

:29:54. > :30:01.read some more messages before we take a break for the news and sport,

:30:02. > :30:04.on Twitter, this tweet, to those guys must overcome and know that

:30:05. > :30:07.millions of people are supporting you. Rachel says, such bravery from

:30:08. > :30:12.the guys, massive respect to them for speaking out. This is

:30:13. > :30:14.heartbreaking seeing these grown men talking about what happened to them

:30:15. > :30:28.as children. True courage. speaking out about abuse is vital.

:30:29. > :30:31.There's a few more I will read. And then I will bring in and day. Here's

:30:32. > :30:34.the latest news headlines. More former football players have

:30:35. > :30:36.alleged that they were sexually abused in the sport's youth system

:30:37. > :30:39.during the 1980s and 90s. Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth

:30:40. > :30:41.have waived their right to anonymity to tell this programme

:30:42. > :30:43.that they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra

:30:44. > :30:54.coach, Barry Bennell. A total of seven former footballers

:30:55. > :30:58.have now spoken out publicly about how they were abused.

:30:59. > :31:03.A mob of 30 schoolchildren have attacked two police officers

:31:04. > :31:06.after they tried to search a suspect for a knife.

:31:07. > :31:14.and repeatedly kicked in the head, while his colleague was punched

:31:15. > :31:16.in the jaw when she tried to rescue him in New Cross

:31:17. > :31:36.Three quarters of cases were dealt with in adequately or needed

:31:37. > :31:42.improvement. That is a summary of the latest BBC News, Moore at ten

:31:43. > :31:45.o'clock. Here's Hugh with the latest sports news. Good morning, Wayne

:31:46. > :31:51.Rooney is a perfect player and should be shown more respect. Rooney

:31:52. > :31:57.became United's record goal-scorer in Europe in their 4-0 win. They are

:31:58. > :32:05.yet to reach the knockout stages, though. The same is true of

:32:06. > :32:11.Southampton at about 1-0 game. Just Butler will replace Ben Duckett the

:32:12. > :32:16.England's third test against India. The match starts in the early hours

:32:17. > :32:18.of tomorrow morning. That is all the sport now, I will be back in about

:32:19. > :32:27.half an 's time. Good morning. We are talking to

:32:28. > :32:31.these three men who have spoken about the abuse they have

:32:32. > :32:38.experienced as young boys. Football is loving the game of football.

:32:39. > :32:44.Chris and Jason speaking publicly for the first time today. Steve, in

:32:45. > :32:49.his first TV interview has explained what happened to him. All of them

:32:50. > :32:55.have spoken because of what Andy Woodward did a week ago. Andy is

:32:56. > :33:00.here too and is very emotional which is completely understandable. I want

:33:01. > :33:07.ask, you guys if Andy hadn't spoken out, would you have ever come

:33:08. > :33:16.forward? Not in a million years. I keep telling him this, what he has

:33:17. > :33:22.done is so brave, inspirational, in my opinion, in our opinion, for what

:33:23. > :33:32.he has done is absolutely fantastic. So brave, you know. He is like my

:33:33. > :33:40.new brother. What would you say Chris? It was locked way back in my

:33:41. > :33:45.mind and I had forgotten about it. I would never have come forward if I

:33:46. > :33:50.hadn't seen him on telly. What was it about him speaking about his

:33:51. > :33:55.experiences that inspired you to do the same? Just because I know what

:33:56. > :33:59.he has been through. I have been through exactly the same in all the

:34:00. > :34:07.lads have been through the same. This has got to stop. The only way I

:34:08. > :34:12.could help was to come forward. You seem quite strong, Chris, if you

:34:13. > :34:15.don't mind me saying? A lot of people have said that, but I do know

:34:16. > :34:22.that I'm not strong. Deep down I don't think I am. I am now a funeral

:34:23. > :34:26.director, I see lots of horrible things, so that is made me a little

:34:27. > :34:30.bit stronger than the rest of the lads, probably. What would you say

:34:31. > :34:39.the anti-? I love Andy to bits, I'm here because of him. Andy, you have

:34:40. > :34:45.done a quite remarkable thing, you know? I'm totally overwhelmed. Last

:34:46. > :34:54.week I was on here are my own. I was so scared. I knew that they were

:34:55. > :34:58.here. Honest to God, Victoria I can't thank the public enough. And

:34:59. > :35:09.in media and more importantly the lads for backing me up. I am totally

:35:10. > :35:17.overwhelmed. I want to ask you all, about parents, your payment letting

:35:18. > :35:20.you stay over at coaches' house. I would like to think that would never

:35:21. > :35:28.happen today. What was different about back then? From my

:35:29. > :35:36.perspective, I have said it before in other interviews, the parents

:35:37. > :35:42.didn't know. They didn't know. They are also victims in this. My mum and

:35:43. > :35:46.dad were in tears last night because they are actually realised for the

:35:47. > :35:55.first time that they are victims as well in this. And they are. Is it,

:35:56. > :36:02.feasible that other adults at the time really didn't know what was

:36:03. > :36:06.happening? Impossible. The football clubs, I did believe it for one

:36:07. > :36:11.minute. I believe there was a conspiracy there was a paedophile

:36:12. > :36:17.ring. And there were people at those football clubs that had duty to look

:36:18. > :36:23.after the welfare of young boys coming through their system. This is

:36:24. > :36:28.their potential future stars, and they are being sexually abused and

:36:29. > :36:31.assaulted. And by member of their staff. Steve, what do you think is a

:36:32. > :36:45.possible other adults really didn't know? I don't honestly know. Until

:36:46. > :36:50.Bennell's arrest? I honestly don't know, really. To be honest review.

:36:51. > :36:58.Chris? I think members of the club knew what was going on they knew. It

:36:59. > :37:03.was just swept under the carpet. You are talking about senior players?

:37:04. > :37:15.Senior players, senior management and the top as well. Is this as big

:37:16. > :37:18.as Jimmy Savile? I think Southall's looks like a choir boy competitor

:37:19. > :37:29.this fella and what is going on right now. As I said on Channel 4

:37:30. > :37:33.last night, I will tell you a story, this is chilling, this. Somebody

:37:34. > :37:38.rang me up and said he remember going to grand Canary's I did it

:37:39. > :37:45.myself. There were seven of us that went away. He said, we went for

:37:46. > :37:53.seven days with seven others and he had won every night. Oh God! Do you

:37:54. > :38:00.know why you didn't talk to each other as boys? It wasn't the thing

:38:01. > :38:03.to be done, was it lads? From 11 years of age she didn't discuss

:38:04. > :38:09.things like that because your dream would have burst. -- you didn't

:38:10. > :38:14.discuss things like that. Lads just concentrated on improving football.

:38:15. > :38:20.There was one, just to show you, this is how was. I remember being on

:38:21. > :38:27.a train at the age of 13 and I've spoken to this lad. 25 years since

:38:28. > :38:32.he is come out, we're sat on the training he asked whether I

:38:33. > :38:40.remembered. He looked at me and I look to him and we both knew. We

:38:41. > :38:45.hike contact. -- we had eye contact. He said you knew, and I said I knew.

:38:46. > :39:01.But the rest didn't talk to each other. Could it have been prevented?

:39:02. > :39:05.Yes. Chris? I think, yes it could have been prevented, but way back

:39:06. > :39:10.then there was no laws. You just went with it. You just went with it.

:39:11. > :39:21.Do you think it could have been prevented, Steve? Looking back now,

:39:22. > :39:28.yes. As I've said before, I lived in Plymouth so I had no choice but to

:39:29. > :39:33.stay... You moved up. I had to stay somewhere, as was my parents were

:39:34. > :39:40.concerned they put the trust into the football club. Surely they

:39:41. > :39:53.should have vetted and made sure that the person that was looking

:39:54. > :40:00.after orders was a normal person. Could it happen now? I don't think

:40:01. > :40:06.so. Recently I've been involved with the professional football club,

:40:07. > :40:12.looking at the boys are age. And, the football club I was at

:40:13. > :40:20.everything they safeguarded. Everyone is protected. It is just a

:40:21. > :40:24.different world now. Thankfully, for our young children, Mr was about

:40:25. > :40:32.children. And some boys at football club. -- most of us have children. I

:40:33. > :40:36.am more confident now that this wouldn't happen. Do you want to see

:40:37. > :40:41.these historic claims of sexual abuse in football brought into the

:40:42. > :40:49.wide ranging national sexual appreciating quite the? It is a

:40:50. > :40:56.difficult question what went on in the past, like I said to you. I was

:40:57. > :41:00.just focusing on now. If it helps but orders to all now move forward

:41:01. > :41:06.in football, then it is going to help safeguard and safeguard

:41:07. > :41:15.everyone in sport. Then, that is fine, yes. The issue is,

:41:16. > :41:22.professional football clubs, it is tied, it is bring fenced. In

:41:23. > :41:26.grassroots up for when there is small clubs where parents are

:41:27. > :41:31.managers and they are struggling to get the funding in everything else.

:41:32. > :41:36.These managers out there. It is an easy target because they are

:41:37. > :41:42.struggling to get managers that will look after the team. But you still

:41:43. > :41:45.have to get checks in order to be a coach, don't you? They pick a better

:41:46. > :41:48.time to come through. You are supposed to, but when you don't have

:41:49. > :41:55.a manager and you are struggling to these kids. Victoria, can I do is

:41:56. > :42:01.comment. Up until 1990, when he was first arrested if you would have

:42:02. > :42:08.done a background check in those days, he might have been OK. Because

:42:09. > :42:14.he wasn't caught. So, what we're saying is we have a system in place

:42:15. > :42:21.at the moment whereby one of trust, until you become an offender, which

:42:22. > :42:29.carries victims, then you can get away with whatever you want to do.

:42:30. > :42:34.After Bennell's conviction and another one in 2002, the Newcastle

:42:35. > :42:38.United connection. As far as I can see there was no effort made by any

:42:39. > :42:44.club or the FA to investigate whether there were any more victims,

:42:45. > :42:50.alleged victims, or whether there were offenders. What you think of

:42:51. > :42:55.that? I think it is shocking. Everything that we've been through

:42:56. > :42:59.is being pushed under the carpet. This is why we are here today. To

:43:00. > :43:08.bring it out and make people aware and hopefully others will come out

:43:09. > :43:12.and joiners. Steve, what do you think about the fact that there was

:43:13. > :43:19.no wider enquiry from those with in football to try and find out if

:43:20. > :43:25.others have been affected? To be honest, I'm gobsmacked. All the

:43:26. > :43:33.organisations are supposed to be responsible for football and looking

:43:34. > :43:38.after children. They have a key to protect others. So, all the

:43:39. > :43:45.appropriate authorities down to the police, everybody, the whole of

:43:46. > :43:53.football needs ripping apart. -- they have a duty to protect others.

:43:54. > :44:00.This could never happen to any young footballer again. That is for those

:44:01. > :44:08.who've been brave enough to come out now. We are all going through a lot

:44:09. > :44:13.of pain at the moment. But we can prevent anything happening to other

:44:14. > :44:19.young children. I will personally die a happy man. I'm going to

:44:20. > :44:22.introduce you to Sara who's been watching you this morning, she is

:44:23. > :44:28.one of our viewers who has been abused in the past. Hello, Sara.

:44:29. > :44:35.Hello, good morning. What you want said these gentlemen this morning?

:44:36. > :44:40.Looking at the cheap one of you I can see the debt of your pain --

:44:41. > :44:45.looking at each one of you. I know what it takes to come forward. You

:44:46. > :44:49.are so brave and are doing such an amazing thing that so many people

:44:50. > :44:55.and for yourselves. I hope your own pain would gradually ease and you

:44:56. > :45:00.will have as many good things in your life as you possibly can. You

:45:01. > :45:08.are very brave and courageous. Thank you very much your very much helped

:45:09. > :45:14.me as well. Thank you very much. Let me read you more messages. Johnny

:45:15. > :45:18.says this must have to be the most emotional interview I've ever seen,

:45:19. > :45:24.massive respect. Georgina echoes that, my heart goes out to them.

:45:25. > :45:30.Adam says, this story about paedophilia in football is

:45:31. > :45:35.heartbreaking. These poor guys, really moving testimony. Sarah says,

:45:36. > :45:40.heartbreaking abuse victims need a voice, we need to be heard when we

:45:41. > :45:44.speak up. Andy, please any footballer come out and support

:45:45. > :45:51.these brave guys who've come forward. Becky, so many butty guys

:45:52. > :46:02.are being driven round -- football guys will stop being driven around

:46:03. > :46:10.without checks. savage Mac what do you want to happen now, Andy? I have

:46:11. > :46:14.this endeavour to go with this. Buy spoken to the FA, it is a passion

:46:15. > :46:18.inside my stomach, I will do everything I can to help those young

:46:19. > :46:24.kids and I won't stop. It's like Steve said. I will die a happy man

:46:25. > :46:32.now. And I am going to do everything I can possibly do help people. If

:46:33. > :46:36.all you ever do in your life is to help people... Man for me as well

:46:37. > :46:40.I'm so emotional because last week I was sitting here are my own and now

:46:41. > :46:46.I've got these guys. I've got so many people. I have worked so hard

:46:47. > :46:50.this last week and so encouraged, I know that there are more out there,

:46:51. > :46:56.Victoria, and they can do it. They really can do it. You know. I'm

:46:57. > :47:02.going to thank you all so much. Thank you Andy, Chris, Steve, Jason.

:47:03. > :47:08.You have been incredibly dignified. Thank you. Thank you very much.

:47:09. > :47:11.There are so many messages. You'll be able to see them on Twitter

:47:12. > :47:17.afterwards. Most of them talking about your courage for speaking out

:47:18. > :47:21.on the programme today. I want to give you the number of the new 24

:47:22. > :47:24.hour NSPCC Hotline if you want to talk to someone about abuse.

:47:25. > :47:31.The new hotline is available 24 hours a day on 0800 023 2642.

:47:32. > :47:47.This number opened yesterday morning. Thank you again.

:47:48. > :47:50.This morning - exclusive access to the UK's only rehabilitation

:47:51. > :47:52.and treatment centre where mothers can overcome a drug or alcohol

:47:53. > :47:54.addiction whilst living with their children.

:47:55. > :47:56.Three babies on average are born addicted to drugs in England every

:47:57. > :48:10.I've been addicted to heroin for 13 years.

:48:11. > :48:15.I started with recreational drugs, party drugs, and

:48:16. > :48:19.it led to harder drugs, crack and heroin.

:48:20. > :48:27.I had a very, very nasty, nasty habit when I came here.

:48:28. > :48:30.Her son was born addicted to drugs, but

:48:31. > :48:32.living here means she can keep him with her.

:48:33. > :48:36.Do you feel a bit calmer now you've got it?

:48:37. > :48:43.So knowing that you can do this and...

:48:44. > :48:44.Still have my little man is brilliant.

:48:45. > :48:54.Often mums like Louise would have their children taking into

:48:55. > :48:56.Often mums like Louise would have their children taken into

:48:57. > :49:00.This is the only rehab centre in the country where she can live

:49:01. > :49:05.I mean waking up with this little chap

:49:06. > :49:09.To have him still with me is amazing,

:49:10. > :49:13.Because they tried to take him straight from

:49:14. > :49:19.Do you think you could do this without him?

:49:20. > :49:36.Around 20 women enter these gates every year.

:49:37. > :49:38.We've got to keep the

:49:39. > :49:39.location secret because many are fleeing domestic violence.

:49:40. > :49:41.They'll have to follow a strict drug and

:49:42. > :49:50.The hope is they'll leave here in around

:49:51. > :50:10.It is an expensive programme and many like this have been closed

:50:11. > :50:14.down. Every single mother here says to us that she would not be able to

:50:15. > :50:18.do recovery without her child. She would not be able to focus on what

:50:19. > :50:21.you needed to do and for the child to be separated they would either be

:50:22. > :50:25.in the care system, they might be with family members but they

:50:26. > :50:31.wouldn't be with their mum so keeping them together is better for

:50:32. > :50:36.the mother and their child. What does that say? Amat was a heroin

:50:37. > :50:42.addict, she is now clean and she still has her twins. Do you like the

:50:43. > :50:46.Penguin? I just think it's heartbreaking that so many people

:50:47. > :50:56.like me are just written off, you are a drug addict so you can't have

:50:57. > :51:02.your child. -- Emma was a drug addict. Something has to change. The

:51:03. > :51:06.women that I have met in this place are phenomenal. You know, some of

:51:07. > :51:09.the stories I've heard, some of the things that some of these women have

:51:10. > :51:17.been through, you wouldn't imagine it in your darkest nightmares. They

:51:18. > :51:22.didn't deserve that. People deserve a chance. They deserve help. They

:51:23. > :51:32.deserve a chance, the children deserve it. You know, like, some of

:51:33. > :51:37.the things my friends here have told me, it has happened to them. It's

:51:38. > :51:51.not their fault, they did not ask to be abused, and mistreated. Hello!

:51:52. > :51:56.What do you want? He hit me, he made me hold out my hand while he tried

:51:57. > :52:00.to cut my finger off with a knife, for ten years we had domestic

:52:01. > :52:07.violence, I would be over drugged, or because there were no drugs...

:52:08. > :52:12.Rachel was abused by her partner, she turned to heroin, now off the

:52:13. > :52:16.drugs she is here with her son. You know you are carrying a baby but you

:52:17. > :52:22.still do it. It is that lifestyle. You wake up and you realise, though,

:52:23. > :52:27.my God, I've got a habit. And then there is the stigma attached to

:52:28. > :52:32.that, if you admit to a professional that you have a habit that they will

:52:33. > :52:39.take away your child, so I had it. You went through a hell of a lot

:52:40. > :52:47.when you were younger. I don't blame my partner, I don't blame him for

:52:48. > :52:52.anything that happened throughout my life, I take responsibility for it

:52:53. > :53:02.because I made the choice to take drugs. You had four children running

:53:03. > :53:15.around and you took heroin, did you not feel guilty? I feel guilty every

:53:16. > :53:23.day of my life, I will never forgive myself for what I put my kids

:53:24. > :53:31.through. Living in the past. It put me back to square one, I'm looking

:53:32. > :53:36.forward to a future without drugs. I'm coming! I haven't forgotten

:53:37. > :53:42.about you, don't worry! Back to Louise and her baby boy. Her other

:53:43. > :53:54.children are in care. What did it feel like when your daughter was

:53:55. > :54:01.taken from you? I just wanted to kill myself. I did attempt it

:54:02. > :54:08.numerous times but now I am better. Can we carry this on later? The bell

:54:09. > :54:12.means it is time for group therapy. I am giving you the gift of

:54:13. > :54:19.strength, and of courage because you are a strong woman. It is emotional.

:54:20. > :54:21.They have written letters to their abusers.

:54:22. > :54:23.Louise is graduating from the course.

:54:24. > :54:26.What have you learned from this last 12 weeks of freedom

:54:27. > :54:30.But it doesn't mean she'll definitely keep

:54:31. > :54:39.Louise has just gone into one of the most important meetings

:54:40. > :54:42.She'll be meeting with her key workers and her

:54:43. > :54:45.social workers to first of all find out how she's getting on, and, more

:54:46. > :54:48.importantly, find out how her little boy's getting on and whether they'll

:54:49. > :55:09.There is still not 100% chance that I'll be able to keep him. How does

:55:10. > :55:15.that feel? Right now I'm still pretty shocked to be told that I

:55:16. > :55:20.could lose my son. Sorry. That is the reality here. Not everyone keeps

:55:21. > :55:25.their children. Katie relapsed after leaving the centre. She can only see

:55:26. > :55:30.her son for visits. She is fighting to get him back. This is the worst

:55:31. > :55:34.thing that's ever happened to me, being separated from my son. It is

:55:35. > :55:40.like my heart has been ripped out, that is what it feels like on a

:55:41. > :55:47.daily basis when I am not with him. It's a horrible, horrible feeling

:55:48. > :55:51.like you are this terrible mum. If someone is struggling you help them.

:55:52. > :55:57.You help them up. You don't beat them down. That is what happens in

:55:58. > :56:02.society. To see children remain with their mum, I say that as a mother, I

:56:03. > :56:06.think being a mother is one of the hardest jobs you can do but also one

:56:07. > :56:12.of the most rewarding and to see children being able to stay with

:56:13. > :56:24.their mum, that is really what it is all about. Noone this is the only

:56:25. > :56:29.service of its kind in the country and it only has ten places. Where

:56:30. > :56:34.would these women be without this service? They have all told me the

:56:35. > :56:40.same thing. Dead, definitely. Because when they took my kids I

:56:41. > :56:47.just did not care any more. My reason for living was gone. Put

:56:48. > :56:56.yourself in dangerous places, with dangerous people, doing silly

:56:57. > :56:59.things. So it saved my life really. Late in the programme we will be

:57:00. > :57:07.talking to the people behind the rehab centre.

:57:08. > :57:10.The serial killer Stephen Port will be sentenced this morning,

:57:11. > :57:25.after he was found guilty of killing four men he met on dating websites.

:57:26. > :57:35.Footage has emerged of a mob of schoolchildren

:57:36. > :57:38.after they tried to search a suspect for a knife.

:57:39. > :57:46.Our correspondent Richard Lister is here.

:57:47. > :57:54.this incident happened on November nine but the Met only released

:57:55. > :57:57.details of it this week. They are appealing for mobile phone footage

:57:58. > :58:07.and this is one thing that has prompted this footage to come to

:58:08. > :58:12.life. What happened is, this gang of schoolchildren were apparently

:58:13. > :58:16.waiting to see a fight between two girls in New Cross and South East

:58:17. > :58:19.London when these two officers on a routine patrol noticed that one of

:58:20. > :58:26.the young boys in the crowd seemed to be concealing a knife. They went

:58:27. > :58:36.to try and search and as you can see one of the officers is pinned to the

:58:37. > :58:40.car. As he falls to the ground he is kicked in the head repeatedly and

:58:41. > :58:45.badly bruised. He later had to go to hospital. His colleague is trying to

:58:46. > :58:50.move the crowd back and eventually manages to pull him to safety but he

:58:51. > :58:54.is badly dazed and she is also hit repeatedly in the face. The crowd

:58:55. > :58:58.moves away but the police are anxious to contact anyone who might

:58:59. > :59:02.have been about incident and can describe who was involved or call

:59:03. > :59:10.has mobile phone footage. The of 15 was arrested and they are out on

:59:11. > :59:14.bail at the moment. Police believe others were involved. Thank you.

:59:15. > :59:24.Coming up, the news and sport, before that the weather with Darren.

:59:25. > :59:29.Good morning, certainly more sunshine in the UK than in the last

:59:30. > :59:32.couple of days, folk across Northern Ireland is lifting into low cloud,

:59:33. > :59:37.is sunshine around, some stubborn fog patches around Glasgow, across

:59:38. > :59:41.northern Scotland and Atlantic wind is bringing in more cloud and

:59:42. > :59:44.keeping up temperatures. A bit of cloud in parts of Yorkshire and

:59:45. > :59:47.Lincolnshire although on the whole lot of St John, double temperatures

:59:48. > :59:52.in the south although feeling cold and the strength of those easterly

:59:53. > :59:56.winds, they will ease overnight, and eventually we will see more cloud

:59:57. > :59:59.coming into the South, some foggy patches further north with low cloud

:00:00. > :00:05.pushing from the north which will shrink our area of frosty and foggy

:00:06. > :00:10.weather in the night. Either side of that, something milder. The fog will

:00:11. > :00:14.lift although it will be a great and gloomy morning across most of the

:00:15. > :00:19.UK. Some low cloud in the south for a while, a bit of sunshine, hard to

:00:20. > :00:22.find, generally more cloud and temperatures struggling after that

:00:23. > :00:24.chilly start in southern Scotland and northern England.

:00:25. > :00:26.Hello it's Friday, just after 10, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:27. > :00:29.welcome to the programme if you've just joined us...

:00:30. > :00:31.4 former footballers tell this programme about the abuse they say

:00:32. > :00:47.and 1990s by youth code, Barry Bennell. Last week I was on here, I

:00:48. > :00:54.was on my own and I was so scared, but I knew that they were here.

:00:55. > :00:59.Honest to God, Victoria, I can't thank the public and North and the

:01:00. > :01:02.media and more importantly the lads for backing me up. I am just totally

:01:03. > :01:21.overwhelmed. I sat at home and thought about

:01:22. > :01:31.this, and I thought I have to come forward. I have to do and help

:01:32. > :01:37.everybody. You had never told a soul? No. Never told anyone. Kept it

:01:38. > :01:44.locked away right in the back of my head. All four of the men we spoke

:01:45. > :01:48.to this morning said they would abused by Barry Bennell, in the 90s

:01:49. > :01:55.and 80s. They fear there could be many more victims.

:01:56. > :02:02.Is this as big as Savile? I think Sabo looks like a choir boy compared

:02:03. > :02:06.to this fella and what is going on now. -- I think Saville looks a

:02:07. > :02:08.choir boy. And - exclusive access to the UK's

:02:09. > :02:11.only rehabilitation and treatment centre for mothers and babies

:02:12. > :02:22.addicted to drugs and alcohol To have him still with me is amazing

:02:23. > :02:29.because they try to taken straight from Bath. The thing you could do

:02:30. > :02:33.this without? No. -- straight from birth. Without you I couldn't do it,

:02:34. > :02:35.because there is no point, is there, there's no point without you.

:02:36. > :02:38.The serial killer Stephen Port will be sentenced this morning

:02:39. > :02:41.after he was found guilty of killing four men he met on dating websites

:02:42. > :02:51.We will bring you that sentence as soon as it happens.

:02:52. > :02:55.Here's the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:56. > :02:58.Two more former football players have waived their right to anonymity

:02:59. > :03:01.to speak exclusively to this programme about the sexual abuse

:03:02. > :03:07.Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth have been explaining how

:03:08. > :03:10.they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra coach,

:03:11. > :03:24.They had chosen to speak out after hearing the pester me of another

:03:25. > :03:25.former player, Andy Woodward. -- having heard the testimony.

:03:26. > :03:28.A total of 7 former footballers have now spoken out publicly

:03:29. > :03:38.More video footage has emerged of an attack on a pair of police

:03:39. > :03:41.officers by a group of up to thirty schoolchildren in South East London.

:03:42. > :03:44.The officers had been trying to search a suspect for a knife.

:03:45. > :03:47.One of them was beaten to the ground and kicked in the head,

:03:48. > :03:50.while his colleague was punched in the jaw when she tried

:03:51. > :03:53.A scathing report has accused Britain's biggest police force

:03:54. > :03:55.of putting children at risk because of "serious failings"

:03:56. > :03:57.in the way it deals with child abuse.

:03:58. > :03:59.The Inspectorate of Constabulary found that three-quarters

:04:00. > :04:01.of cases investigated by the Metropolitan Police

:04:02. > :04:02.were dealt with "inadequately" or needed improvement.

:04:03. > :04:05.French police are searching for an armed man after a woman

:04:06. > :04:08.was found dead in a retirement home for missionaries.

:04:09. > :04:11.It's believed the hooded man burst into the home

:04:12. > :04:16.She managed to escape and alert police but when they arrived

:04:17. > :04:18.they found the body of another woman.

:04:19. > :04:29.Authorities say it is too early to suggest a motive.

:04:30. > :04:31.UK shoppers are expected to spend a record ?2 billion

:04:32. > :04:43.and a quarter billion pounds will be spent on internet sales alone -

:04:44. > :04:47.Some Black Friday deals have already been running for more than a week.

:04:48. > :04:50.The nominations for the BBC Music Awards album of the year

:04:51. > :04:53.Rick Astley's comeback album '50' is among those shortlisted.

:04:54. > :04:55.It will go up against the latest releases

:04:56. > :04:59.There's been some surprise that David Bowie's Blackstar didn't gain

:05:00. > :05:02.a spot on the list which is chosen by the Radio 2 playlist committee.

:05:03. > :05:04.The winner will be announced on 12th December.

:05:05. > :05:11.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

:05:12. > :05:18.This e-mail from John who's watching the interview with the four

:05:19. > :05:21.gentlemen. He says we need to hear from the football clubs about how

:05:22. > :05:28.they police their youth organisations now. We have cleared

:05:29. > :05:33.the interviews with Crewe Alexander and Manchester city and they have

:05:34. > :05:37.said no. Another e-mail, absolutely heartbroken and in tears watching

:05:38. > :05:41.these guys. A friend of mine was abused as a young footballer in the

:05:42. > :05:48.XML is never told soul. He told me one night when he was drunk. -- in

:05:49. > :05:51.Wrexham. I hope this will mean he will have the courage to tell what

:05:52. > :05:57.happened when he was a little boy hoping to follow his dream. Then he

:05:58. > :06:03.can start healing. Yasmin said, healing the footballers minded me of

:06:04. > :06:09.the day I used to prosecute abuses. I've told parliament there is a lot

:06:10. > :06:14.of abuses, particularly of young boys. So many messages. We are

:06:15. > :06:17.absolutely overwhelmed, we're going to read them all, we really

:06:18. > :06:19.appreciate them and the four men will see them all. Do get in touch

:06:20. > :06:42.with those, use the hatch tag. Wayne Rooney expect frustration at

:06:43. > :06:48.his night off during England duty. He scored the opener in a 4-0

:06:49. > :06:54.victory at Old Trafford. Jesse Lingard came off the bench to round

:06:55. > :07:01.off the scoring, late on. This means that a .40 dues a Mourinho's men

:07:02. > :07:05.into the knockout stages. It is amazing achievement, obviously it

:07:06. > :07:10.would be even better if you can help to bring to the club, the only

:07:11. > :07:12.competition that the club never won in history which is that Europa

:07:13. > :07:20.League. It is not the biggest competition. It is just one at

:07:21. > :07:32.Manchester United's history doesn't have. Let's track that push. Sub

:07:33. > :07:40.partner would be in 1-0. -- itself Hampton. Jos Buttler will return to

:07:41. > :07:47.the England test team for the third test in India tomorrow. He blazes

:07:48. > :07:51.Ben Duckett, he went replace Jonny Bairstow as wicketkeeper it will

:07:52. > :08:00.give a second first-class game but Butler in the last 30 months.

:08:01. > :08:04.Playing this way is slightly unusual, but Johnny is in great

:08:05. > :08:09.form. The batter 's been outstanding for other over a year now is that

:08:10. > :08:15.Gibbs is a bit more chance to bat, in one said. -- give others a bit

:08:16. > :08:19.more chance. What we have had on this tour, is the fact that we've

:08:20. > :08:25.had no practice, we haven't moaned about it. Bangladesh was a massive

:08:26. > :08:32.Test series but we haven't had a chance to get on with practice.

:08:33. > :08:37.Sebastien Coe's four-year spell as the chairman of the British Olympic

:08:38. > :08:42.Association has come to an end. His time in charge most famously saw the

:08:43. > :08:46.successful running of London 2012. In his only broadcast interview he

:08:47. > :08:50.is told as others about the challenges that will face his

:08:51. > :08:54.successor Sir Hugh Robinson. There are clearly going to be pressure

:08:55. > :09:00.point of public expenditure, we have got to continue to remind government

:09:01. > :09:09.that sport plays a R more important role than just a medals table. -- a

:09:10. > :09:11.far more important role. It can be a conduit for community cohesion,

:09:12. > :09:16.particularly in radical as communities. The big challenge is

:09:17. > :09:25.helping, or allowing sport to help in that big agenda around health,

:09:26. > :09:31.well-being and physical inactivity in particular. All the sports of

:09:32. > :09:36.now, but just say Lewis Hamilton is having a good start as Formula 1

:09:37. > :09:37.weekend. We'll be back with more sport at 1030, and an

:09:38. > :09:42.This morning two more former players have spoken to this programme

:09:43. > :09:46.for the first time about the abuse they say they suffered at the hands

:09:47. > :09:49.In their first ever interview Chris Unsworth and Jason Dunford

:09:50. > :09:56.told us they were inspired to speak out after hearing Andy Woodward

:09:57. > :10:11.Just watching Andy on TV, I was just at home with my girlfriend, who

:10:12. > :10:20.actually watched the TV. She brought it home. We sat down and watched it

:10:21. > :10:26.I didn't say anything. I just said I knew Andy and I used to play with

:10:27. > :10:32.him. We had a little chat, she asked me I was OK. Then, I came home and I

:10:33. > :10:39.sat at home and thought about this and I thought, I have to come

:10:40. > :10:52.forward. I've got come forward, and help.

:10:53. > :11:03.thought historical abuse was in football. I keep telling Andy this,

:11:04. > :11:13.what he's done is so brave, inspirational, in my opinion, in an

:11:14. > :11:24.opinion, for what he's done is absolutely fantastic. So brave. He

:11:25. > :11:30.is like my new brother. Would you say, Chris? It was locked way back

:11:31. > :11:35.in my mind and I had forgotten about it. I would never have come forward

:11:36. > :11:41.if I hadn't seen him on telly. What was it about him speaking about his

:11:42. > :11:46.experiences that inspired you to do the same? Just because, I know what

:11:47. > :11:53.he has been through, because I've been to exactly the same in all the

:11:54. > :11:58.lads have. This has got to stop. The only way that I could help is to

:11:59. > :12:04.come forward. You seem quite strong, Chris if you don't mind me saying. A

:12:05. > :12:11.lot of people have said that, but I do know about and that strong. Deep

:12:12. > :12:14.down I don't think I am. I'm if funeral director and icy lots of

:12:15. > :12:20.horrible things so that would be made me a bit stronger than the rest

:12:21. > :12:26.of the lads. -- I see a lot of horrible things. I love Andy qubits,

:12:27. > :12:33.I am here because of him. You have done quite a remarkable thing, you

:12:34. > :12:39.know. I'm totally overwhelmed, last week I was on here on my own and I

:12:40. > :12:46.was so scared, but I knew that they were here. Honest to God, Victoria,

:12:47. > :12:54.I can't thank the public enough and the media and more importantly the

:12:55. > :13:01.lads are backing me up. I'm just totally overwhelmed. -- the lads for

:13:02. > :13:07.backing me up. I want to ask you all about, parents, your parents letting

:13:08. > :13:11.you stay over at a coach's house. I like to think that wouldn't happen

:13:12. > :13:21.today, what was different about back then? From my perspective, I have

:13:22. > :13:29.said it before in other interviews. The parents didn't know, they didn't

:13:30. > :13:35.know and they are also victims in this. My mum and dad were in tears

:13:36. > :13:38.last night because they actually realised, for the first time, that

:13:39. > :13:47.they are actually victims as well in this. And they are. Is it feasible

:13:48. > :13:55.that other adult at the time really didn't know what was happening?

:13:56. > :13:58.Impossible. The football clubs, I don't believe it for one minute. I

:13:59. > :14:07.think there was a conspiracy, paedophile ring. There were people

:14:08. > :14:12.but had duty to look after the welfare of young boys, coming

:14:13. > :14:16.through their system. This is their potential future stars, and their

:14:17. > :14:17.future stars are being sexually abused and sexually assaulted by a

:14:18. > :14:33.member of their staff. The FA is urgently looking into

:14:34. > :14:40.those abuse claims. A seven footballer came forward in The

:14:41. > :14:46.Guardian. The FA chair Greg Clark met Andy Woodward and pledged full

:14:47. > :14:51.support to adult victims of sexual abuse. I'd then know how the

:14:52. > :15:01.football Association responded at the time. There was no response? I

:15:02. > :15:02.believe you. If there was no response at the time then that is

:15:03. > :15:18.appalling. This is the former coach who four

:15:19. > :15:28.players toured us this morning abuse them, he has been jailed before for

:15:29. > :15:33.historical sexual offences, he was found guilty of an offence against a

:15:34. > :15:38.12-year-old boy committed on a football pitch. Police in Florida

:15:39. > :15:42.said he had an insatiable appetite for young boys coming he said

:15:43. > :15:45.himself he was a monster when he gave evidence in court, this was a

:15:46. > :15:49.monster when he gave evidence in court, this wasn't talking to the

:15:50. > :15:55.BBC when he was a youth coach at Crewe. They are learning all the

:15:56. > :16:01.time and we do a lot of talking to them as well as showing them skills,

:16:02. > :16:10.we explain that that is more to it than coming here one hour a week. We

:16:11. > :16:16.give them homework. Bennell remains permanently suspended from football.

:16:17. > :16:19.England captain Wayne Rooney is encouraging any player who has

:16:20. > :16:27.experienced abuse in their careers to call the helpline so they no

:16:28. > :16:34.longer suffer in silence. The number is 0800 0232642.

:16:35. > :16:37.We can speak now to three former players, Peter Shilton,

:16:38. > :16:39.England's most capped footballer, John Scales, the former Liverpool

:16:40. > :16:41.and England defender and Michael Bennett,

:16:42. > :16:43.a former Charlton player who's now the Professional

:16:44. > :16:45.Football Associations, head of player welfare.

:16:46. > :16:59.John, I know you saw the interview with the four guys earlier, what did

:17:00. > :17:04.you think? Like everyone I thought the courage and bravery they should

:17:05. > :17:10.is incredibly powerful and moving. The emotional shock that we all felt

:17:11. > :17:16.watching that is nothing compared with the trauma that they are going

:17:17. > :17:20.through right now, in revealing all that they are but years and years of

:17:21. > :17:28.living with fat and locking it away and not being able to process it all

:17:29. > :17:31.go through therapy, that long, long process which in many ways is

:17:32. > :17:37.starting now, it was difficult watching, very moving. As a

:17:38. > :17:44.professional footballer I have seen things in the dressing room, verbal

:17:45. > :17:47.and physical abuse, too few of those stories of what those young players

:17:48. > :18:06.went through was quite shocking and disturbing. Whichever way you want

:18:07. > :18:20.to respond, it is a long process for them to respond to, the steps ahead,

:18:21. > :18:24.all the relevant authorities should come together and make sure it is as

:18:25. > :18:26.good a process as possible and that we can make sure that this kind of

:18:27. > :18:32.thing doesn't happen again, that brings it on to this whole issue of

:18:33. > :18:44.where does it drive paedophiles who have been prevalent in the game in

:18:45. > :18:56.the past, the figures we have of keeping our children safe. Peter,

:18:57. > :19:00.how do you respond? Terrific response from the lads, very brave,

:19:01. > :19:04.to come out and talk about the abuse, you can't think of anything

:19:05. > :19:09.much worse to happen to you and hopefully by doing what they have

:19:10. > :19:15.done because obviously they have suppressed it for years and years,

:19:16. > :19:19.hopefully bringing it out into the open hopefully they will gain some

:19:20. > :19:25.benefit from Ed first of all but I think it is a society thing. We have

:19:26. > :19:28.seen it in so many other areas recently, entertainment especially,

:19:29. > :19:35.it is a society think but when it comes into sport I think we have

:19:36. > :19:39.tended to turn a blind eye. I think that what happens is that young

:19:40. > :19:44.footballers, talking about football, they really want to become

:19:45. > :19:50.footballers, when they are young it is their dream, their parents dream

:19:51. > :19:58.of it and in some ways they will do anything, in one sense, to try to

:19:59. > :20:04.achieve that, they won't want to upset coaches, so it is a license

:20:05. > :20:09.for paedophile coaches to do what they want to do. It has not been

:20:10. > :20:15.good enough in the past, in terms of bringing it out and having areas

:20:16. > :20:22.where coaches are checked, was one of the lads said earlier, some of

:20:23. > :20:26.the checks would be great and when it gets into that situation what can

:20:27. > :20:34.you do? All you can do is give an area where the parents can ring and

:20:35. > :20:38.let people know what is going on. So overall great credit to the boys and

:20:39. > :20:44.hopefully from this it will be a springboard to a lot of other things

:20:45. > :20:47.happening. Michael, you've been involved in helping Andy and others

:20:48. > :20:52.who have been abused, what is the nature of the help? When individuals

:20:53. > :20:57.come forward we've got a triage system so we can find the support

:20:58. > :21:04.they need and get the process underway. Andy came to us in October

:21:05. > :21:07.last year, and has been going through the therapy, and this has

:21:08. > :21:10.come out from that and has given him the strength to come forward and

:21:11. > :21:16.share what he has gone through with other people. The catalyst for Chris

:21:17. > :21:24.and Jason to come forward as well. That was the process. Do you think

:21:25. > :21:27.it could happen now? I am hoping not with the safeguards and things we

:21:28. > :21:34.have in place now. It is very tightly done. I honestly don't think

:21:35. > :21:39.it could happen now. Should we have in law mandatory referral so if you

:21:40. > :21:44.suspect as an adult that anything inappropriate is happening, you

:21:45. > :21:47.should be compelled to report it? I think so. I think it gives the

:21:48. > :21:52.individual that freedom to express what they are going through and have

:21:53. > :21:58.a sauce to go through, to do that. I think that will make life easier for

:21:59. > :22:04.an individual to show what they having counted. John, what do you

:22:05. > :22:08.think about this idea that you should be compelled by legislation

:22:09. > :22:15.to report something if you suspect it? My concern is that you have to

:22:16. > :22:24.create an environment where people feel safe and confident that the

:22:25. > :22:28.institutional rigour will be there to back that up and as we have seen

:22:29. > :22:38.in the Independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, confidence can

:22:39. > :22:41.be destroyed that the process will be robust and that you will be

:22:42. > :22:44.believed and safe and in an environment where you can share

:22:45. > :22:49.those things in confidence. I absolutely agree that that is the

:22:50. > :22:52.right step to take but it does become mandatory, how it works in

:22:53. > :22:58.practice will have to be well thought through and ensure that

:22:59. > :23:03.those victims feel they are getting adequate support in so many areas,

:23:04. > :23:08.it is not just about disclosure, it is about the support and the

:23:09. > :23:14.confidence that they have in this process. Stay with us, gentlemen, we

:23:15. > :23:20.have been taking a look at what measures might be taken to keep

:23:21. > :23:25.children safe. It is the most popular game in the world, 8 million

:23:26. > :23:28.people play football in this country but after recent revelations of

:23:29. > :23:34.historic abuse how vulnerable is the game today and what is being done to

:23:35. > :23:38.protect children? My concern is not looking back, it is looking at what

:23:39. > :23:42.we can do now to put in place to protect these children even at grass

:23:43. > :23:48.roots. It is important that we do not ignore a single thing. From 2001

:23:49. > :24:10.the footballers a station put in place new rules.

:24:11. > :24:14.People to say it was well ahead of other sports in this. What if you

:24:15. > :24:16.feel the situation is more serious? Each team from the smallest to

:24:17. > :24:18.professional outfits must now have a trained safeguarding officer, anyone

:24:19. > :24:21.working with people under 18 must have a criminal record check, that

:24:22. > :24:24.is more than 50,000 season. The FA says this will screen at anyone who

:24:25. > :24:27.may pose a risk, others say it is far from a guarantee. What we know

:24:28. > :24:29.from abuse is that people don't talk about it. They don't come forward.

:24:30. > :24:32.It is a crime that is covered in silence. So they're very often is

:24:33. > :24:35.not a criminal record. Critics of the current system say it relies too

:24:36. > :24:38.much on children being able to come forward and report abuse. In other

:24:39. > :24:44.countries they have stricter rules. The new portrait appeasing of the

:24:45. > :24:50.Penn State football coach accused of abusing boys. In the US senior coach

:24:51. > :24:55.was recently convicted of 45 counts of child abuse but three other men

:24:56. > :24:58.at Penn State University are still awaiting trial for not telling the

:24:59. > :25:05.universities about their suspicions. Key to never contacted police. Some

:25:06. > :25:09.form of that mandatory reporting is in place in other countries. It is a

:25:10. > :25:15.criminal offence not to come forward and report neglect if you have a

:25:16. > :25:18.reasonable suspicion it is going on. Introducing mandatory reporting

:25:19. > :25:24.increases both the number of reports but also the number of reports that

:25:25. > :25:28.are substantiated. Others think mandatory reporting has its

:25:29. > :25:33.limitations and could lead to police being of all armed with reports of

:25:34. > :25:35.abuse that later proved false. The government is now considering how to

:25:36. > :25:44.tighten the law with the final decision due next year. We cant

:25:45. > :25:50.speak now to the sports spokesperson for the Labour Party and John

:25:51. > :25:55.Nicholson is here, from the select committee and Tom Perry is an abuse

:25:56. > :26:00.survivor who wants to introduce mandatory reporting and we still

:26:01. > :26:05.have three former players, Peter Shilton, John Scales, and Michael

:26:06. > :26:10.Bennett. John, why is mandatory reporting essential, in your view?

:26:11. > :26:14.And the founder of the group so why is it important? We are one of the

:26:15. > :26:20.few countries in the world that doesn't have it. Just to give you

:26:21. > :26:26.some idea, 72% of Asian countries have it. 74% of African countries

:26:27. > :26:29.have some form of mandatory reporting, 86% of Europe, and even

:26:30. > :26:34.more in the Americas and yet the government says that we've got it

:26:35. > :26:37.right. Clearly given the fact that we have the Independent inquiry into

:26:38. > :26:42.child sexual abuse and these extraordinary revelations in sport

:26:43. > :26:48.we have not got it right. What would mandatory reporting mean in

:26:49. > :26:51.practical terms? We would be following principles elsewhere

:26:52. > :26:56.principally in Australia where they operate well, anyone with a

:26:57. > :27:01.suspicion on reasonable grounds has to report that to a triage service.

:27:02. > :27:06.That in principle is operating now in this country. The only problem is

:27:07. > :27:14.that it is discretionary to report it, not mandatory. Would the SNP

:27:15. > :27:18.support that? I'm not sure how it would work. If you had a suspicion

:27:19. > :27:25.on reasonable grounds you'd have to tell the police. What is the penalty

:27:26. > :27:29.if you don't, is there one? That is interesting, yes, there is a

:27:30. > :27:35.penalty, it is a fine through court it's all in our submission where we

:27:36. > :27:40.drafted the registration for the governments consideration -- drafted

:27:41. > :27:42.the legislation. So you would criminalise someone who had the

:27:43. > :27:49.suspicion on reasonable grounds and didn't report it. What happens for

:27:50. > :27:56.example if you are talking about a 17 boy or an 18 young adult who

:27:57. > :28:01.knows that his 15-year-old friend is being abused, would that 18-year-old

:28:02. > :28:07.be subject to criminal penalties if he feels intimidated and will not

:28:08. > :28:10.come forward? Not at all, that indicates you don't understand the

:28:11. > :28:14.system in England, in England, with children and 18 if there is an

:28:15. > :28:20.offence by someone who is defined as a child under 18 who is in an

:28:21. > :28:24.educational setting working in a regulated activity because we're

:28:25. > :28:29.talking about mandatory reporting only in regulated activities which

:28:30. > :28:37.include sport and schools and Faith settings. If that gets referred to

:28:38. > :28:42.children's services and the protocol exists now, we're not seeking to

:28:43. > :28:48.criminalise a bite of 17... If you are 18 in that situation you could

:28:49. > :28:53.be subject to penalties? Not if you are in a regulated activity. We are

:28:54. > :28:58.only applying mandatory reporting to a regulated activity, as defined by

:28:59. > :29:13.the act of 2006. Would you support that? Rosena? It's about having a

:29:14. > :29:16.robust system but also creating a safe space for people to come

:29:17. > :29:23.forward and say when they are concerned. I must say that 99.9% of

:29:24. > :29:26.coaches and officials work hard and have the interests of the children

:29:27. > :29:33.at heart. But we must crack down on sexual predators. Tom, you are an

:29:34. > :29:42.abuse survivor. Just how difficult is it to speak up? I kept quiet

:29:43. > :29:46.about it for six a mere 38 years. OK! And I must tell you it is

:29:47. > :29:50.incredibly difficult. It's an absolute life changer too many

:29:51. > :29:56.people. Not everyone but to meet it certainly is. Living a life where I

:29:57. > :29:59.have no respect for authority and to be frank, anyone carrying a

:30:00. > :30:02.clipboard walking up to me is in deep trouble about knowing it

:30:03. > :30:08.because it is a statement of authority and it is a problem. --

:30:09. > :30:14.without knowing it. And frankly the cost of child abuse, the NSPCC has

:30:15. > :30:17.done some research and estimates, conservatively, we do question it as

:30:18. > :30:24.we question a lot of things about the NSPCC, to be frank, the cost of

:30:25. > :30:30.it, they estimated in 2012 was ?3.2 billion. This goes into police,

:30:31. > :30:34.court services, drug addiction, crime, and mental health services in

:30:35. > :30:38.which I've taken part. It came out in a group that I was involved in,

:30:39. > :30:45.seven out of nine people have been abused in childhood.

:30:46. > :30:53.Were it not for child abuse, frankly we would have space. From your

:30:54. > :30:57.committee's point of view your chairman has written to the FA, due

:30:58. > :31:02.any stay on how widespread this might be in terms of historical

:31:03. > :31:08.claims? And use satisfied the FA is taking this seriously enough now,

:31:09. > :31:12.even if it wasn't then? 20 years ago there was a dispatches programme

:31:13. > :31:15.that looked at this, and Channel 4. The recommendation was that the FA

:31:16. > :31:20.should take this very seriously indeed, this was in 1997. And it

:31:21. > :31:25.wouldn't comment at the time. Precisely. We now know that this

:31:26. > :31:32.hotline has been set up and over 50 Calder almost immediately. In the

:31:33. > :31:36.first two hours, 50. -- called it almost immediately. It is clearly a

:31:37. > :31:41.huge problem. Our select committee is written to the FA to find out

:31:42. > :31:46.what its action plan is. We are keen to get them into speak was and then

:31:47. > :31:50.decide how we will take it forward. It is busy and enormous problem, not

:31:51. > :31:55.least because what we had today is what we all know from our friends,

:31:56. > :31:58.from our family, from our constituents. That kids are often

:31:59. > :32:02.scared to tell their parents because they do want to upset them which is

:32:03. > :32:12.a huge problem. I want to ask our former players, Chris, Jason, Andy

:32:13. > :32:16.and Steve, said they thought they were adults that knew what was going

:32:17. > :32:24.on. I won't ask you Michael, had you heard rumours? In regards to what

:32:25. > :32:28.was going on? Without naming any names, obviously. When you are

:32:29. > :32:32.playing you heard rumours and a number of players will say the same

:32:33. > :32:36.thing. But without evidence you can't do anything. Yes, the rumours

:32:37. > :32:40.were there but no one was brave enough them to step forward in come

:32:41. > :32:48.forward with those allegations. That is why we are here today. We've both

:32:49. > :32:52.been around the BBC for while, but there were always rumours about

:32:53. > :33:02.Jimmy Savile, but hard evidence was quite a different thing. Do the kids

:33:03. > :33:06.talk to other kids? I ask the former players and they didn't talk to each

:33:07. > :33:12.other, they would only exchange a lot, but didn't speak about it. You

:33:13. > :33:17.don't, though PPP mention this, but as kids when you are abuse and abuse

:33:18. > :33:23.is repeated it is a very dangerous word but this is it, you feel

:33:24. > :33:33.complicit. And complicity silences you. Without naming any names, in

:33:34. > :33:43.your long and distinguished playing career did you hear rumours? No, not

:33:44. > :33:49.really. Not only abuse side. It was more, maybe that one or two players

:33:50. > :33:57.may be gay. But not on side. We have to be careful but when we're talking

:33:58. > :34:03.about coaches, and boys really. I know there may be some adults or

:34:04. > :34:10.teenagers involved. The coaches in this country, some are just alluded

:34:11. > :34:15.to it, 99% or 98% are great people who really do a great job. You have

:34:16. > :34:25.to be careful that we don't stigmatise coaches of kids. It is a

:34:26. > :34:29.very small minority that do this. Going forward, we have to make sure

:34:30. > :34:33.that the people who have been abused that feel they can come forward now,

:34:34. > :34:42.there is a great platform for them to get help. These brave lads that

:34:43. > :34:48.came forward will help in that. In the future, we have to put a lot

:34:49. > :34:53.tighter regulations in. The FA years ago is nothing like today. A lot of

:34:54. > :35:00.things are brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Now it is more

:35:01. > :35:04.open. They put hotline in, where 50 odd calls happened yesterday. They

:35:05. > :35:09.are more progressive. Years ago might be brushed under the carpet it

:35:10. > :35:13.is not supposed to happen. As I said earlier on, youngsters want to

:35:14. > :35:16.become footballers, their parents do and even if they know there are

:35:17. > :35:20.rumours they won't want to put their kid in jeopardy in case it gets

:35:21. > :35:26.buried at the club, or something. Though all of these things to

:35:27. > :35:29.consider. I wonder if you think these historic sexual abuse claims

:35:30. > :35:34.in football should be brought into the National sexual abuse enquiry. I

:35:35. > :35:39.think they should. We need to do whatever we can to stop this

:35:40. > :35:43.happening. I am a mother myself and I know open down the country parents

:35:44. > :35:47.will be frightened. Fighting about what it means for them to take their

:35:48. > :35:51.child to somewhere and leave them unaccompanied. It is really really

:35:52. > :35:57.important. I've spoken to the FA already. They have been working very

:35:58. > :36:01.hard recently have designated safeguarding officers, but we need

:36:02. > :36:08.to make sure that these officers have robust training. I would really

:36:09. > :36:13.welcome any measures that it would take to ensure that there was a safe

:36:14. > :36:16.platform for people to come out and report. John, without naming any

:36:17. > :36:27.names did you hear rumours when you're playing? Yes. In clubs we've

:36:28. > :36:33.seen, there was always innuendo and things said. We had all the other

:36:34. > :36:37.stories and all the other fanciful rumours about players and everything

:36:38. > :36:46.else. I also had rumours about players themselves, senior players,

:36:47. > :36:51.abusive, aggressive and I saw that first-hand other players. That was

:36:52. > :36:54.also an issue. You come back the full-sized call. Those youngsters

:36:55. > :37:01.grow up in an environment where they feel that this is part and parcel of

:37:02. > :37:05.playing football, being in this environment. As the gentleman said

:37:06. > :37:10.before, if you don't accept it and the guilt you feel, and the clump

:37:11. > :37:13.green complicity you feel in it makes you feel compelled but that is

:37:14. > :37:21.part and parcel of the environment you in. -- the complicity you feel.

:37:22. > :37:25.I'm scared to death of my children into ballet, jazz, swimming,

:37:26. > :37:30.athletics and we look at people, look at coaches in those positions

:37:31. > :37:33.of power and influence should with an eye of suspicion on every single

:37:34. > :37:40.one of them. That is a horrible place to be the battered the world

:37:41. > :37:45.in which we live. Therefore, it is OK to say football has this problem

:37:46. > :37:48.but we all appreciate that society has this problem. Paedophiles

:37:49. > :37:55.extensively at large in this country and across the world. There has to

:37:56. > :38:01.be a process that is put into place that safeguards those youngsters.

:38:02. > :38:05.The mandatory reporting is a good step as long as it is implemented in

:38:06. > :38:11.the right way. Politicians have to be careful about saying all these

:38:12. > :38:14.fantastic new systems that you put in, without the rigour of learning

:38:15. > :38:21.the lessons and passing the blame towards the FA. 20 years ago it was

:38:22. > :38:25.very different on the way it is today. Use of the way they came out

:38:26. > :38:30.on this helpline together and put that where players can come forward.

:38:31. > :38:35.My fear is that Paul has the resources to put these things into

:38:36. > :38:38.place. -- football has the resources. Other sports of Little

:38:39. > :38:45.funding are not able to do that and how, without the money do weep Bush

:38:46. > :38:53.paedophiles out of that tier of the game. -- do we push paedophiles. How

:38:54. > :38:59.do we pushed those predators into other areas. We never break the

:39:00. > :39:06.cycle. -- do we pushed those predators. John, final word. 40

:39:07. > :39:12.years ago there was no need for anyone to port the rape of a child.

:39:13. > :39:20.Today nothing has changed. Until it changes there will be no... It is a

:39:21. > :39:25.vital component of a functioning child protection system and we have

:39:26. > :39:32.two habit. The government gives the outcome of its consultation... They

:39:33. > :39:37.do not want it. Absolutely. Just look at the bias in the consultation

:39:38. > :39:46.paper. They even admitted that the most important piece of evidence, it

:39:47. > :39:54.was a seven year longitudinal study. I will talk to the sports minister

:39:55. > :40:02.about this tomorrow. Footballers do what we're doing. The Labour team

:40:03. > :40:03.taking terribly seriously. Let's bring you a summary of this

:40:04. > :40:06.morning's news. More former football players have

:40:07. > :40:08.alleged that they were sexually abused in the sport's youth system

:40:09. > :40:11.during the 1980s and 90s. Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth

:40:12. > :40:13.have waived their right to anonymity to tell this programme -

:40:14. > :40:16.that they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra

:40:17. > :40:17.coach, Barry Bennell. A total of 7 former footballers have

:40:18. > :40:20.now spoken out publicly More video footage has emerged

:40:21. > :40:24.of an attack on a pair of police officers by a group of up to thirty

:40:25. > :40:28.schoolchildren in South East London. The officers had been trying

:40:29. > :40:30.to search a suspect for a knife. One of them was beaten to the ground

:40:31. > :40:34.and kicked in the head, while his colleague was punched

:40:35. > :40:40.in the jaw when she tried The Crown Prosecution Service has

:40:41. > :40:44.been given the details of an investigation by the IPCC

:40:45. > :40:46.into the circumstances surrounding the fatal shooting of Jermaine Baker

:40:47. > :40:49.in north London last year. Mr Baker died as the result

:40:50. > :40:51.of a single gunshot wound during a Metropolitan Police

:40:52. > :40:54.operation in Bracknell Close, That's a summary of the latest news,

:40:55. > :41:00.join me for BBC Newsroom Here's Hugh now with this

:41:01. > :41:03.morning's sport headlines. The start of the big

:41:04. > :41:05.Formula One weekend has begun, even a victory may not guarantee

:41:06. > :41:08.Lewis Hamilton retains his World Title, but he has

:41:09. > :41:10.started his challenge well, by setting the fastest time

:41:11. > :41:12.in first practice ahead Wayne Rooney is the perfect player

:41:13. > :41:17.and should be 'shown more respect' according

:41:18. > :41:19.to his Manchester United teammate. Rooney became United's record

:41:20. > :41:29.goalscorer in Europe in their 4-nil They're yet to reach

:41:30. > :41:35.the knockout stages. The same is true of Southampton

:41:36. > :41:37.after their 1-0 defeat They need a goalless draw or a win

:41:38. > :41:41.in their final group And Joss Buttler will replace

:41:42. > :41:45.Ben Duckett for England's third Test Buttler will bat at 7 for the match

:41:46. > :41:49.which starts in the early hours That's all the sport for now

:41:50. > :41:54.but I'll be back in around Analysts think Black Friday sales

:41:55. > :41:57.in the UK could top ?2 billion but are the sale prices you see

:41:58. > :42:02.really as good as they look? Pete Moorey, is Head of Campaigns

:42:03. > :42:05.at the consumer website Which and Helen Dewdney is a Consumer

:42:06. > :42:27.expert at the website Is that right? The site is called

:42:28. > :42:28.that. And you are a blogger? Yes, sorry there was no punctuation in

:42:29. > :42:31.that sentence whatsoever. Which looked at 20 electrical

:42:32. > :42:33.items across retailers on Black Friday last year to find

:42:34. > :42:47.out if the deals were We found that about 40% of the deals

:42:48. > :42:53.were cheaper later and many more before. So, don't get too carried

:42:54. > :42:57.away today. It is too late. People have been up since five o'clock.

:42:58. > :43:01.There are deals out there. I walked down Oxford Street and know when not

:43:02. > :43:06.big queues. They were all inside. A lot of people online this year. And

:43:07. > :43:10.that is why they get in the deals. Black Friday has become a big

:43:11. > :43:15.season, the whole weekend we've seen a lot of deals in the days running

:43:16. > :43:19.up. The key thing is coming you need to do your research or there is a

:43:20. > :43:24.danger you about that, see some things online or in shops and you'll

:43:25. > :43:32.buy it and it won't actually have been the cheapest price. Really, you

:43:33. > :43:37.can't do this online, but if you are in a store you can ask whether it's

:43:38. > :43:42.been cheaper before and is likely to get cheaper before Christmas. To

:43:43. > :43:45.which they will say no and no. Yes, recess the problem green products

:43:46. > :43:51.you want. Find out what a decent products. A lot of things you will

:43:52. > :43:57.find last year were things that were on sale last year. If you want the

:43:58. > :44:01.latest thing, find out about it. Go on our website. We will tell you

:44:02. > :44:10.what the best TV, copy machine, is. Then resets the price. -- then be

:44:11. > :44:14.searched the price. We do price tracking. People tweeted outlaws

:44:15. > :44:18.today. They said they saw something on sale for Black Friday the 90

:44:19. > :44:24.quid, but they bought it from 40 quid. I think it is and electric

:44:25. > :44:27.toothbrush. That is naughty. Some of the things we found last year we

:44:28. > :44:29.have reported the competition authorities and asked them to look

:44:30. > :44:32.at it. What's your advice to anyone looking

:44:33. > :44:46.for a bargain today? Do the research online. Just treated

:44:47. > :44:49.like any sales. It is hard, you get sucked in. The amount of junk

:44:50. > :44:58.e-mails I've had saying Black Friday, Black Friday 20%, 40%, R.

:44:59. > :45:03.Certainly I went online. I looked it, some you win, some you lose.

:45:04. > :45:08.Army Times Dubai things in the sales that you've just bought the week

:45:09. > :45:12.before. It is the same things. -- how many times do you buy things in

:45:13. > :45:20.the sales. There was something in their lowest cheaper in another

:45:21. > :45:29.store. So be cattle of it. People end up buying things they don't

:45:30. > :45:33.want, or need. It depends what the store is and what the terms and

:45:34. > :45:37.conditions. If you have bought an item and a change amount on it then

:45:38. > :45:40.you can take it back to the bigger stores the bigger stores will

:45:41. > :45:44.usually take it back. But, if you have bought online you have more

:45:45. > :45:49.rights under the consumer regulations. You have got right

:45:50. > :45:52.within 14 days you can send it back. But, if you need to look at that

:45:53. > :45:57.terms and conditions. If there's nothing wrong with it if it not

:45:58. > :46:02.faulty then you might have to play Willey paper posted. You'd make sure

:46:03. > :46:03.you are looking at these things. Thank you very much, and thank you

:46:04. > :46:06.for your patience this morning. Three babies on average are born

:46:07. > :46:09.addicted to drugs in England every The BBC has gained exclusive access

:46:10. > :46:15.to the UK's only rehabilitation and treatment centre where mothers

:46:16. > :46:17.can overcome a drug or alcohol addiction whilst living

:46:18. > :46:19.with their children. I've been addicted to

:46:20. > :46:29.heroin for 13 years. I started with recreational drugs,

:46:30. > :46:35.party drugs, and it led to harder drugs,

:46:36. > :46:39.crack and heroin. I had a very, very nasty,

:46:40. > :46:46.nasty habit when I came here. Her son was born addicted to drugs,

:46:47. > :46:48.but living here means she can keep him

:46:49. > :46:53.with her. Do you feel a bit calmer now you've

:46:54. > :47:00.got it? So knowing that you

:47:01. > :47:07.can do this and... Still have my little man

:47:08. > :47:17.Often mums like Louise would have their children taken into

:47:18. > :47:21.This is the only rehab centre in the country where she can live

:47:22. > :47:25.I mean waking up with this little chap

:47:26. > :47:28.To have him still with me is amazing,

:47:29. > :47:31.Because they tried to take him straight from

:47:32. > :47:34.Do you think you could do this without him?

:47:35. > :47:51.Around 20 women enter these gates every year.

:47:52. > :47:54.We've got to keep the

:47:55. > :47:56.location secret because many are fleeing domestic violence.

:47:57. > :47:58.They'll have to follow a strict drug and

:47:59. > :48:03.The hope is they'll leave here in around six months' time,

:48:04. > :48:26.Louise is graduating from the course.

:48:27. > :48:29.What have you learned from this last 12 weeks of freedom

:48:30. > :48:36.But it doesn't mean she'll definitely keep

:48:37. > :48:41.Louise has just gone into one of the most important meetings

:48:42. > :48:49.She'll be meeting with her key workers and her

:48:50. > :48:53.social workers to first of all find out how she's getting on, and, more

:48:54. > :48:55.importantly, find out how her little boy's getting on and whether they'll

:48:56. > :49:02.There is still not a 100% chance that I'll be able to keep him.

:49:03. > :49:06.Right now I'm still pretty shocked to be told that I

:49:07. > :49:12.Let's speak now to Hannah Shead, who runs the Trevi House

:49:13. > :49:13.rehabilitation centre featured in that film.

:49:14. > :49:16.Emma, who doesn't want us to use her surname -

:49:17. > :49:18.she stayed at the Trevi centre with her twins to

:49:19. > :49:20.And Dr Ken Checinski, Consultant addiction

:49:21. > :49:22.psychiatrist at Change, Grow, Live - a service

:49:23. > :49:24.which supports people affected by substance misuse.

:49:25. > :49:27.How important is it to keep Mum and child together during recovery?

:49:28. > :49:31.Incredibly important. Incredibly. What we see is the difference that

:49:32. > :49:38.it makes for mothers and for children. In terms of them getting

:49:39. > :49:43.off the drugs? Absolutely. Emma, what drugs were you taking when you

:49:44. > :49:50.are pregnant with twins? My addiction spiralled out of control

:49:51. > :49:54.after my twins were born so they were not born dependent on any kind

:49:55. > :49:58.of substance although I did have a couple of lapses and I was pregnant

:49:59. > :50:03.and that was crack cocaine and heroin. It was not a very nice thing

:50:04. > :50:09.to have to live with but I'm trying to do things a better way now. So

:50:10. > :50:12.that's good. How do you reflect on that time? It's important to

:50:13. > :50:18.remember it because if I do not it will be easy to go back there. I

:50:19. > :50:22.never forget it but I don't dwell on it because that could easily take a

:50:23. > :50:29.back down that road so it's about doing positive right things now.

:50:30. > :50:33.Ken, you helped about 500 parents over the years, it could be more.

:50:34. > :50:36.What's the most effective way of getting them clean? The most

:50:37. > :50:42.effective way of helping people get clean is to look at individual

:50:43. > :50:46.needs. There is no one size fits all solution. We place a lot of emphasis

:50:47. > :50:51.on the individual focus to show people respect and to empower them,

:50:52. > :50:55.I know that wood is overused that to empower them to make their choices,

:50:56. > :51:02.not my choice is all the nurses choices or the GP's choices or the

:51:03. > :51:05.nurse's choices, their own choices. What is your view of the mothers

:51:06. > :51:11.confronting that recovery with their children. It's extremely important

:51:12. > :51:14.because if we can do anything to break the cycle of addiction for

:51:15. > :51:17.that family, perhaps other family members have been affected in the

:51:18. > :51:21.past so if we can do anything to break that cycle that is the most

:51:22. > :51:26.important thing that parent, that family and also to the children, as

:51:27. > :51:33.children and perhaps when they grow up to become parents themselves. Is

:51:34. > :51:39.the stigma of taking drugs while you are pregnant sometimes stop you

:51:40. > :51:45.asking for help? Without a doubt. The shame, the shame that you feel,

:51:46. > :51:55.the guilt that you feel, you feel you don't even deserve to be a mum,

:51:56. > :52:01.you know, it is that strong, even now, it's like a huge thing. I don't

:52:02. > :52:05.underestimate your courage for doing that. If one person can watch this

:52:06. > :52:09.and get some hope and realise that there is help out there I want to

:52:10. > :52:14.speak out and even if it can help one person that is my job done. And

:52:15. > :52:21.your approach is completely non-judgemental, that's important to

:52:22. > :52:31.add. Absolutely. What people don't always realise is, women that come

:52:32. > :52:35.to services like trevi have sometimes been through terrible

:52:36. > :52:39.childhoods with abuse, none of them choose to end up in this position as

:52:40. > :52:44.parents or pregnant women with drug and alcohol addiction, and to

:52:45. > :52:51.overcome some of that stigma really will help women to come forward and

:52:52. > :52:55.ask for the help they need. How much of a motivating factor is it, Emma,

:52:56. > :53:03.when you know that your child could be taken from you if you continue

:53:04. > :53:08.down the drugs route? Huge. By the time I finally reached Trevi, and it

:53:09. > :53:14.was not a smooth road to get there, I had to fight really hard for it. I

:53:15. > :53:19.very nearly didn't get there. I was at a point of desperation, I was

:53:20. > :53:22.desperate, because like you've heard from the other girls in the film, if

:53:23. > :53:29.I didn't have my twins now I wouldn't be killed. It was that

:53:30. > :53:35.desperate. 115%! I would not want to be here without my children. I could

:53:36. > :53:40.not live like that. I need to do something about it. Ken, of course

:53:41. > :53:44.addiction is a motivating factor, that it children might be removed

:53:45. > :53:48.from you but you are addicted. It is an illness, a condition, it is not

:53:49. > :53:55.easy to say, I'm going to stop taking the crack cocaine or

:53:56. > :54:02.whatever. And the sort of motivation you showed, Emma, is very important.

:54:03. > :54:06.To use that as a factor. And one aim of our therapy is to ensure that

:54:07. > :54:11.people turn that sort of external motivation, the threat of losing

:54:12. > :54:14.children, into their own recovery that they want for themselves in

:54:15. > :54:20.order to be good parents, rather than just to be good parents. Thank

:54:21. > :54:27.you all very much, thank you for coming in. Nice to meet you. We

:54:28. > :54:30.began the programme by talking to four footballers who courageously

:54:31. > :54:35.talked about the kind of abuse that they have suffered. As young boys,

:54:36. > :54:40.at the hands of their youth team coach. And so many of you have been

:54:41. > :54:46.moved by what they were able to say on national television that you got

:54:47. > :54:52.in touch. We'll talk to Nick Johns in Plymouth. Nick was Steve's former

:54:53. > :54:55.teacher. Paul Jacobs is in Kent and is involved in football at a

:54:56. > :55:02.district level and has reported a coach in the past. Thank you very

:55:03. > :55:07.much for talking to us. As Steve's former teacher what would you like

:55:08. > :55:13.to say about the way he's spoken out today? Hello, Victoria. It was very

:55:14. > :55:22.emotional for me to see him and the other lads talking as they did. I

:55:23. > :55:29.have huge admiration for them. I remember Steve is a little lad of

:55:30. > :55:35.12, 13, he went off to soccer school, to bigger and better things.

:55:36. > :55:44.I think he has been extremely brave. As have the others, to speak out as

:55:45. > :55:49.he has. I think those of us who have the privilege and responsibility of

:55:50. > :55:56.either teaching or caring, coaching young people, coaching children, it

:55:57. > :56:02.is a huge responsibility, and it is absolutely awful that these guys

:56:03. > :56:08.have done what they have done, and others in other areas that we know

:56:09. > :56:15.of as well. Steve, very best wishes to you in the future. I hope you can

:56:16. > :56:22.overcome the difficulties you have had, and all the other chaps there,

:56:23. > :56:27.my heart goes out to you all. Paul, I wonder what impact it had only

:56:28. > :56:33.watching the four gentlemen talking this morning? Watching the show this

:56:34. > :56:36.morning I really felt those guys. You can't imagine what they must

:56:37. > :56:43.have gone through. I had to report someone ten years ago who was

:56:44. > :56:53.working with players, and fortunately I had the support of

:56:54. > :56:56.Mike County and I am a youth worker now but I had the support of my

:56:57. > :57:01.youth worker at the time. I was interviewed by detectives, it went

:57:02. > :57:07.all the way to Soho Square, where the FA were based at the time.

:57:08. > :57:14.Fortunately this man is no longer involved in football. Briefly, Paul,

:57:15. > :57:19.how difficult or otherwise was that decision you made to report that

:57:20. > :57:22.individual, again, don't name any names. Of course not. It was

:57:23. > :57:30.extremely difficult because it was a colleague. And from what I saw on a

:57:31. > :57:32.couple of occasions, I felt extremely uncomfortable.

:57:33. > :57:42.Fortunately, things have moved on and changed. We now have welfare

:57:43. > :57:50.offices. -- officers. And CRB checks. All the rest of it. I would

:57:51. > :57:55.not dream of going into a dressing room with players unless I had

:57:56. > :58:05.either parents or and a manager with me. Thank you, Paul, Nick, Steve

:58:06. > :58:10.former teacher. So many people have been in touch, if you would like to

:58:11. > :58:14.watch a special interview of -- special version of the interview we

:58:15. > :58:22.did with the four players it will be shown on the BBC News Channel at

:58:23. > :58:25.8:30pm and you can find the full interview and our programme today.

:58:26. > :58:27.We will be back on Monday when we will be hearing from children with

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