15/12/2016

:00:08. > :00:09.Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:16.This morning - Marieke Vervoort is a gold winning

:00:17. > :00:18.Paralympian from Belgium - a country where euthanasia, the

:00:19. > :00:24.She has decided that she wants to choose when she wants to die.

:00:25. > :00:28.In a poignant film she explains why she's reached that decision.

:00:29. > :00:32.More and more bad days than good days.

:00:33. > :00:40.And when the time comes and I only have bad days then I

:00:41. > :00:45.think I have a really good reason to say, "Now it's enough".

:00:46. > :00:51.In Aleppo - there are reports that the first convoy of people

:00:52. > :00:54.being evacuated from the east, is preparing to leave but it is not

:00:55. > :00:57.clear whether the fragile ceasefire is holding to allow people

:00:58. > :01:01.We will speak to Syrians in Aleppo and relatives here who are waiting

:01:02. > :01:07.One group of orphans trapped in city, issues

:01:08. > :01:15.TRANSLATION: Please let us evacuate Aleppo.

:01:16. > :01:17.We can't go outside because of the air

:01:18. > :01:21.We would really like you to help us leave Aleppo.

:01:22. > :01:27.Also, the latest revelations about abuse in football -

:01:28. > :01:31.we've learned that QPR carried on employing youth coach

:01:32. > :01:33.Chris Gieler after carrying out an internal investigation

:01:34. > :01:38.He is now at the centre of abuse allegations at the club; we'll bring

:01:39. > :01:48.And - fake doesn't normally cut it, but what about when it comes to fur?

:01:49. > :01:52.One anti-fur campaign group says the law's being broken as traders

:01:53. > :01:55.mislead shoppers into buying real animal fur when they think

:01:56. > :02:17.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:02:18. > :02:24.What would you do if your bank kept putting money into your account that

:02:25. > :02:28.wasn't yours? Not your money. You might have heard of the Australian

:02:29. > :02:33.guy that this happened to. We will speak to him later and he will

:02:34. > :02:33.explain what he spent all the money on. Apparently, apparently he

:02:34. > :02:36.reckons he spent $2 million. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:37. > :02:40.we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria

:02:41. > :02:42.LIVE and If you text, Preparations are under

:02:43. > :02:47.way in the Syrian city of Aleppo for the evacuation

:02:48. > :02:49.of rebel-held areas. Both opposition fighters

:02:50. > :02:51.and officials from President Assad's government have confirmed that

:02:52. > :02:54.a new agreement has been reached. There's been uncertainty over

:02:55. > :02:58.whether the evacuation would go ahead because of a breakdown

:02:59. > :03:00.of a ceasefire yesterday. A convoy of ambulances lined up

:03:01. > :03:08.in Aleppo this morning, Inside the eastern side of the city,

:03:09. > :03:15.an operation to move the most seriously wounded is said

:03:16. > :03:18.to have started. When the ceasefire ended yesterday,

:03:19. > :03:20.the bombardment of Eastern Aleppo resumed, with the shells raining

:03:21. > :03:23.down on a very small It's almost certainly a violation

:03:24. > :03:29.of international law and most probably war crimes that

:03:30. > :03:31.are being committed right now as we speak, because you cannot

:03:32. > :03:33.possibly distinguish 47 orphans trapped by

:03:34. > :03:39.the shelling sent this message TRANSLATION: Please let

:03:40. > :03:48.us evacuate Aleppo. We can't go outside because of

:03:49. > :03:51.the air strikes and the shelling. We would really like you to

:03:52. > :03:57.help us leave Aleppo. In the US, the White House

:03:58. > :04:02.was indignant - but powerless. We continue to be deeply concerned

:04:03. > :04:06.about the situation in Aleppo. We are seeing the same reports

:04:07. > :04:10.you are, that innocent people are being slaughtered in the streets

:04:11. > :04:13.at the hands of the Assad regime, aided and abetted

:04:14. > :04:16.by the Russians and Iranians. Those concerns will only grow

:04:17. > :04:22.with every day that civilians remain trapped under the fire

:04:23. > :04:28.of their enemies in Eastern Aleppo. Our correspondent Tomos

:04:29. > :04:42.Morgan is in Beirut. Tomos, what is the latest? The

:04:43. > :04:49.latest is we're waiting for evacuation to begin. Russia says

:04:50. > :04:56.that the rebel fighters will be the second lot of evacuees from the

:04:57. > :04:59.city. They will be escorted to Idlib province. The first to be removed

:05:00. > :05:05.all but the injured. The International Red Cross and the Arab

:05:06. > :05:11.red Crescent will help evacuating those injured. It is understood

:05:12. > :05:18.around 4000 rebel fighters will then be moved to Idlib province and the

:05:19. > :05:25.sticking point in this deal has been Iran and Syria's insistence that any

:05:26. > :05:30.negotiation must be in tandem with pulling out their fighters from

:05:31. > :05:35.rebel held villages in north-western Syria. Now that deal has been agreed

:05:36. > :05:38.by the rebels, that is why the deal today seems to be sticking at the

:05:39. > :05:43.moment, but it is a very fragile deal. Ceasefire coming into place in

:05:44. > :05:46.the early hours of the morning. As far as we know the ceasefire is

:05:47. > :05:50.still holding, because this was meant to happen 24 hours ago and we

:05:51. > :05:55.had people live on air trapped in Aleppo and we could clearly hear the

:05:56. > :06:01.sounds of shelling as they spoke? That is incredibly right. It has

:06:02. > :06:07.been a fragile, tents and confusing situation for those held in the last

:06:08. > :06:11.rebel enclave in the east of Aleppo. As you say, yesterday appeared as

:06:12. > :06:15.though the ceasefire was holding out and people were about to get on the

:06:16. > :06:19.buses, people were lined up, but nobody got on them. The ceasefire

:06:20. > :06:23.was broken and the fighting resumed. At three o'clock this morning it's

:06:24. > :06:27.understood the ceasefire came back into force. The rebels saying last

:06:28. > :06:32.night the deal was back in play and this morning has blah, the militia

:06:33. > :06:38.group, confirming pro-government forces would now adhered to the

:06:39. > :06:42.deal. And later Russia confirming the same things. Thank you for the

:06:43. > :06:44.moment, Tomos. I know you will come back if things change.

:06:45. > :06:46.Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:47. > :06:52.Good morning and thank you. Good morning everyone.

:06:53. > :06:55.The Government has been told that a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU

:06:56. > :06:57.could take 10 years to finalise, and still fail.

:06:58. > :06:59.The BBC understands the advice was given privately

:07:00. > :07:01.by Britain's Ambassador to the EU, Sir Ivan Rogers.

:07:02. > :07:04.Downing Street has said he was simply passing on the views

:07:05. > :07:13.Our Assistant Political Editor Norman Smith is in Wetminster.

:07:14. > :07:18.Good morning, Norman. Number ten says it doesn't recognise this

:07:19. > :07:25.advice, nonetheless, does it need to be seen to addressing the concerns

:07:26. > :07:29.raised by Sir Ivan? It chimes with a lot of the other mood music we are

:07:30. > :07:32.hearing from Brussels. We had the chief negotiator for the European

:07:33. > :07:36.Commission saying just the other day they are not even going to talk to

:07:37. > :07:40.us about the trade deal until we leave, so we don't get to begin

:07:41. > :07:44.negotiations until 2019 and there is a view some in the commission are

:07:45. > :07:47.trying to put some stick about. They want to make this slow, protracted

:07:48. > :08:15.and painful for Britain, just as a warning to other EU countries if

:08:16. > :08:18.they are thinking about going down the Brexit route. The view of

:08:19. > :08:20.ministers here is this is all bluff, that actually we go into these

:08:21. > :08:22.negotiations in a pretty strong place, because Europe needs a deal

:08:23. > :08:25.with us. Why? Because it is argued we are the fifth-largest economy, we

:08:26. > :08:27.have the city and if you want to play hardball we can play hardball.

:08:28. > :08:30.We could potentially reduce taxes, deregulate and make Britain a more

:08:31. > :08:33.attractive place to invest. But what it tells us is timing is becoming

:08:34. > :08:34.one of the key battle grounds in the whole Brexit debate. Norman, thank

:08:35. > :08:35.you for that. The internet giant Yahoo says it's

:08:36. > :08:37.working with police to investigate a large scale hack which may have

:08:38. > :08:39.affected one billion The company says names,

:08:40. > :08:43.phone numbers, passwords and email addresses have been stolen

:08:44. > :08:45.during the attack which Here's our Washington

:08:46. > :08:47.reporter Laura Bicker. Other companies have been hacked,

:08:48. > :08:49.but Yahoo could have suffered a record-breaking information breach

:08:50. > :08:53.- for the second time - and it's taken them over three

:08:54. > :09:00.years to discover it. A few months ago the company

:09:01. > :09:02.announced that 500 million accounts Now they say double that number

:09:03. > :09:07.could have had information stolen in another data breach dating

:09:08. > :09:11.back to 2013. Names, e-mail addresses,

:09:12. > :09:13.phone numbers and passwords have been accessed, but they don't think

:09:14. > :09:15.bank or payment card The company believe

:09:16. > :09:19.a state-sponsored actor is to blame, This is the latest setback

:09:20. > :09:28.for Yahoo, an internet pioneer which has fallen on hard times,

:09:29. > :09:31.and it may affect a deal with Verizon which plans to buy

:09:32. > :09:38.Yahoo for $4.8 billion. Meanwhile, account holders are being

:09:39. > :09:41.urged to reset their passwords This programme has learnt that

:09:42. > :09:53.Queen's Park Rangers did investigate the behaviour of a former youth

:09:54. > :09:55.development manager Chris Gieler, who died in 2002,

:09:56. > :09:59.was allowed to continue to work He is now at the centre of child

:10:00. > :10:05.abuse allegations at the club. We'll have more on this

:10:06. > :10:09.at ten o'clock. The NSPCC says more than seventeen

:10:10. > :10:12.hundred calls have now been made to a telephone hotline set

:10:13. > :10:14.up because of alleged The hotline, which is being funded

:10:15. > :10:20.by the Football Association, The charity says it is encouraging

:10:21. > :10:26.people who have been The higher education

:10:27. > :10:32.admissions service, UCAS, says the gap between rich and poor

:10:33. > :10:34.students winning university places Teenagers from wealthy backgrounds

:10:35. > :10:38.are almost four times more likely to apply than those who received

:10:39. > :10:40.free school meals, Parents are being urged to spot

:10:41. > :10:49.the deadly signs of sepsis, as the Government launches

:10:50. > :10:53.a national awareness campaign today. Sepsis is a rare complication

:10:54. > :10:55.of an infection that sees the body's Children under the age of four

:10:56. > :11:01.are particularly at risk. The Government wants parents

:11:02. > :11:03.to know the symptoms All new police officers will have

:11:04. > :11:13.to be educated to degree level in the future,

:11:14. > :11:15.under sweeping changes to the way A paid three-year "degree

:11:16. > :11:18.apprenticeship" is among three options open to people wanting

:11:19. > :11:23.to join one of the 43 forces in England and Wales,

:11:24. > :11:24.under changes unveiled It's hoped the move will

:11:25. > :11:28.help forces to address The role of the front-line police

:11:29. > :11:34.officer has changed. They have to make more difficult

:11:35. > :11:39.decisions, just look at all the child abuse inquiries

:11:40. > :11:41.that are happening now. The professional

:11:42. > :11:47.development and support we give people in policing

:11:48. > :11:50.has to change with it. These proposals address

:11:51. > :11:53.that issue and don't exclude the good people we want to come into

:11:54. > :12:06.policing. Scientist and Iceland are close to

:12:07. > :12:11.drilling deeper into a volcano than ever before, reaching nearly 500

:12:12. > :12:15.kilometres down and temperatures hitting 500 Celsius. They plan to

:12:16. > :12:19.tap into a reservoir and harness the energy from the site that could

:12:20. > :12:23.power 50,000 homes, as our science correspondent reports.

:12:24. > :12:27.This is one of the most volcanically active places on earth,

:12:28. > :12:31.but now scientists plan to harness the power of volcanoes...

:12:32. > :12:40.This site's been operating continuously for 24 hours a day,

:12:41. > :12:43.using this huge piece of kit, with section after section

:12:44. > :12:51.of high-strength steel, they're almost 5000 metres down.

:12:52. > :12:54.We have never been this deep before, we have never been into this hot

:12:55. > :12:56.rock formations before, so we are optimistic

:12:57. > :13:03.that this will carry us a step into the future.

:13:04. > :13:07.But a project like this isn't risk-free.

:13:08. > :13:09.This is what happened in 2009, during an earlier attempt

:13:10. > :13:17.The drill unexpectedly hit magma, and was destroyed.

:13:18. > :13:19.The most recent eruption here was 700 years ago...

:13:20. > :13:21.Geologists say we've still got a lot to learn

:13:22. > :13:28.There is always some risk and that has to be evaluated,

:13:29. > :13:32.but there is also a risk if we do not understand the volcano.

:13:33. > :13:38.In Iceland, towns are already using energy generated from volcanoes,

:13:39. > :13:41.but this new approach could create up to ten times more electricity,

:13:42. > :13:45.and - if it works - this technology could be adopted

:13:46. > :13:59.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:14:00. > :14:04.Thank you very much. At about quarter to ten this morning we will

:14:05. > :14:10.talk about the differences between real and fake fur and talking about

:14:11. > :14:14.the kind of stuff that is sold at the cheaper end of the markets, like

:14:15. > :14:18.the bobble hats with fur pom-poms. The claim today is some retailers,

:14:19. > :14:22.and I do mean at the cheaper end of the market, are misleading

:14:23. > :14:25.customers. How would you know the difference if the label is unclear?

:14:26. > :14:27.We will talk about that at about 9:45am.

:14:28. > :14:29.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:14:30. > :14:31.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE, and, if you text,

:14:32. > :14:33.you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:14:34. > :14:41.There was a rare header hat-trick in the Premier League last night...

:14:42. > :14:49.Yes, in the West Brom and Swansea game last night. Scoring a hat-trick

:14:50. > :14:52.not that unusual, perhaps, but West Brom striker Solomon Rondon scored

:14:53. > :14:55.all three goals with his head. That is only the second time in Premier

:14:56. > :15:06.League history that that has happened. That show you the goals.

:15:07. > :15:10.The first, surrounded by defenders, but showed good strength

:15:11. > :15:18.The second, another great leap, and well

:15:19. > :15:22.And for the third, the defenders still allowed him

:15:23. > :15:35.So three headers in just 13 minutes, and a 3-1 win for West Brom.

:15:36. > :15:38.That was one of eight Premier League games last night

:15:39. > :15:42.All the big names picked up wins - Manchester United beat

:15:43. > :15:46.Crystal Palace, Manchester City won against Watford,

:15:47. > :15:48.Liverpool picked up three points too.

:15:49. > :15:57.They're six points clear at the top after their 1-0

:15:58. > :16:02.And it means they'll be this year's Christmas Number Ones.

:16:03. > :16:04.It was Cesc Fabregas who scored in the first half,

:16:05. > :16:06.to give Chelsea their 10th straight league win.

:16:07. > :16:09.Trying to chase Chelsea down are Liverpool, who are up to second.

:16:10. > :16:11.3-0 they beat Middlesborough, with two goals from

:16:12. > :16:27.Anthony Joshua and Klitschko have held their first press conference.

:16:28. > :16:29.How did it go? It was very civilised,

:16:30. > :16:32.unlike some press conferences we see with tables and punches

:16:33. > :16:35.being thrown. Joshua says he'll become a legend

:16:36. > :16:37.by beating Wladimir Klitschko Joshua's IBF title

:16:38. > :16:54.as well as the WBA and vacant IBO Joshua's won all 18 of his pro

:16:55. > :17:07.fights by knockout, and hopes To do the same against the former

:17:08. > :17:15.undisputed champion. It all seems nice and friendly, doesn't it?

:17:16. > :17:20.James Anderson is that of the fifth test against India.

:17:21. > :17:23.Yes, the 5th Test begins in Chennai tomorrow and England will be

:17:24. > :17:27.without their leading wicket taker James Anderson.

:17:28. > :17:30.He had been out since August with a shoulder injury before

:17:31. > :17:31.returning to play the second Test in India.

:17:32. > :17:34.Captain Alastair Cook has described him as "body sore"

:17:35. > :17:38.Anderson has taken just four wickets in the three Tests he's played

:17:39. > :17:42.The Test itself is effectively a dead rubber - England have

:17:43. > :17:52.And one more line to bring you before I go.

:17:53. > :17:54.The BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year has been announced,

:17:55. > :17:56.it goes to Paralympic swimmer Ellie Robinson.

:17:57. > :17:59.The 15-year-old set a new Paralympic world record when she won gold

:18:00. > :18:02.in the S6 50m butterfly in Rio, and also took bronze

:18:03. > :18:11.She received the award on the One Show on BBC 1 last night.

:18:12. > :18:14.She follows illustrious footsteps - the likes of Wayne Rooney,

:18:15. > :18:22.Andy Murray and Tom Daley have all previously won the award.

:18:23. > :18:26.They went on to do pretty well, didn't they?

:18:27. > :18:30.And Sports Personality of the Year is on BBC one on Sunday evening.

:18:31. > :18:38.We will bring you the latest news at half past as well.

:18:39. > :18:42.I know it's a week or so to go until Christmas,

:18:43. > :18:44.I know you're rushing around trying to get things sorted,

:18:45. > :18:47.but if you can, I really would like you to pause for ten

:18:48. > :18:50.It's about a gold winning Paralympian who has

:18:51. > :18:55.Marieke Vervoort is a wheelchair sprinter and has an incurable

:18:56. > :19:00.She's from Belgium, where euthanasia is legal.

:19:01. > :19:02.She decided in 2008 to sign papers that allow her

:19:03. > :19:10.You already know it's hugely controversial subject -

:19:11. > :19:11.many people strongly oppose euthanasia and disagree

:19:12. > :19:18.The 37-year-old athlete has had this illness for 20 years.

:19:19. > :19:23.She's paralysed, suffers chronic pain and fits regularly.

:19:24. > :19:26.Her sporting achievements tell a different story -

:19:27. > :19:29.she won gold and silver at the London Olympics in 2012,

:19:30. > :19:34.and brought home a silver and bronze medal from Rio this summer.

:19:35. > :19:38.This film is frank, honest and very poignant.

:19:39. > :19:41.It features a moment when Marieke passes out and you might find

:19:42. > :19:48.In effect, the film shows her day to day life dealing this illness.

:19:49. > :19:50.In a special report from 5 Live Sport,

:19:51. > :20:03.Sometimes when I'm really in pain and I'm crying and I can't breathe,

:20:04. > :20:09.and when it's really scary, I scream in my room, "I want to die.

:20:10. > :20:12.I don't want to live like this any more.

:20:13. > :20:18.When she was a little girl, she was healthy.

:20:19. > :20:33.The very first impression, of course, was she was joyful.

:20:34. > :20:52.She was a young woman and she was very happy.

:20:53. > :20:59.Every time a door got closed, another door has to open.

:21:00. > :21:02.So when I entered up in a wheelchair, at the beginning

:21:03. > :21:08.That I had nothing to reach any more.

:21:09. > :21:22.And when I saw, hey, I can do this, I can do that,

:21:23. > :22:02.I was so proud and still when I'm telling about it, I'm shaking again

:22:03. > :22:15.Other people stop with various sports because they said,

:22:16. > :22:18."I'm too old", or, "I don't want to do it any more."

:22:19. > :22:20.It's not for me, it's totally different.

:22:21. > :22:30.My mind says, "Yeah, go forward, you like it,

:22:31. > :23:22.Marieke is stubborn, she knows what she wants.

:23:23. > :23:26.But she also knows what she doesn't want.

:23:27. > :23:28.And living a hell is not the life Marieke wants.

:23:29. > :23:31.So I immediately had the feeling that it would be something

:23:32. > :23:33.that you can control, and if she has the control

:23:34. > :23:46.I came a lot here and we cried together a lot, a lot, a lot.

:23:47. > :23:53.Yes, we still do that when I have a difficult

:23:54. > :23:59.And sometimes I just want to talk about euthanasia.

:24:00. > :24:10.It's going to be very difficult for her.

:24:11. > :24:16.But I ask if she wants to stay with me.

:24:17. > :24:35.She's the best that could ever happen to me.

:24:36. > :24:43.I want her to be with me when I decide to go.

:24:44. > :24:48.And probably, maybe she is the only person who will be with me.

:24:49. > :25:05.I think my parents love me so much, but I think it's too hard for them.

:25:06. > :25:08.I know she is independent and she makes her own decisions.

:25:09. > :25:13.Afterwards we get some time to talk a little bit about it.

:25:14. > :25:17.We don't talk much about these questions.

:25:18. > :25:25.You see her situation, then when you are a realist,

:25:26. > :25:48.When she feels better with that, I can live with that.

:25:49. > :25:56.But I don't know when the moment is coming.

:25:57. > :26:09.I don't know if I speak for both of us, but I prefer a natural death.

:26:10. > :26:17.I'm afraid of the moment when it will happen.

:26:18. > :26:35.I can't imagine the confrontation at the moment.

:26:36. > :26:51.When I'm happy, she is happy as well.

:26:52. > :26:58.And she's going to sit in another part of the house that

:26:59. > :27:09.When I'm crying, she's coming to lay down with me and she is licking

:27:10. > :27:25.This morning, when the nurse came to help me to wash and dress me,

:27:26. > :27:34.When I talk about real pain, then I say that you have such a lot

:27:35. > :27:40.of pain, that you lose consciousness from pain.

:27:41. > :27:44.And the tears are rolling on your cheeks and nobody can

:27:45. > :29:15.She's not going to do anything stupid any more.

:29:16. > :29:18.I wasn't happy with the thoughts or the sayings like,

:29:19. > :29:29.Now she doesn't talk about it any more.

:29:30. > :29:32.Now it's only we know there will be a day that she will call

:29:33. > :29:48.And I can't live any more my life the way I want to live it."

:29:49. > :30:01.Sometimes it's really difficult because my good days are getting

:30:02. > :30:10.More and more bad days than good days.

:30:11. > :30:17.And when the time comes that I have only bad days,

:30:18. > :30:25.and nothing really good, I have to say, it's enough.

:30:26. > :30:34.In the beginning we knew that it was a decision for the future.

:30:35. > :30:40.Now we know that the future is coming near.

:30:41. > :30:49.When we talk about her, she doesn't know what is near.

:30:50. > :30:55.With euthanasia, I will have a soft death without pain and

:30:56. > :30:59.with the people that I want to be with me.

:31:00. > :31:13.I wrote every person who was in my heart.

:31:14. > :31:21.And I want that everybody takes a glass of Cava

:31:22. > :31:25.and that they say, "Skol! Skol!"

:31:26. > :31:36.But thanks to that disease, she was able to do things that

:31:37. > :31:58.people only can dream about, because I was mentally so strong.

:31:59. > :32:03.Not everyone will agree with her choices, and some may

:32:04. > :32:09.We will be following Marieke's journey in the new year,

:32:10. > :32:12.and hearing from people on the other side of the euthanasia debate.

:32:13. > :32:15.You can watch that film again and share it via our programme page.

:32:16. > :32:25.That film made by five live sport. You can hear more about that story

:32:26. > :32:29.in a special report on five live sport tonight at eight o'clock.

:32:30. > :32:36.The messages from you. Someone on Facebook said, I understand, I

:32:37. > :32:39.suffer from chronic pain. If it was legal in this country I would decide

:32:40. > :32:43.when to go as well. Nobody knows what it is like to have unbearable

:32:44. > :32:48.pain day after day and less they suffer as well. Taking strong

:32:49. > :32:57.painkillers for years. I want a dignified death, not out of my mind

:32:58. > :33:01.in pain. I think Marieke is lucky for the choice she has. Another

:33:02. > :33:07.says, until you experience such a pain in such a condition you cannot

:33:08. > :33:12.condemn her position. On another, we don't choose when we come into this

:33:13. > :33:15.world, we should be up to choose when we leave it. It is an

:33:16. > :33:16.individual's choice. Do keep those coming in using the information

:33:17. > :33:18.on-screen. In Aleppo, 24 hours

:33:19. > :33:21.after a ceasefire collapsed, a new one is in place -

:33:22. > :33:24.hopefully allowing civilains trapped in the war-torn

:33:25. > :33:26.city to finally escape. We'll be speak again to the two men

:33:27. > :33:30.who were live on the programme yesterday as the sound of shelling

:33:31. > :33:38.got closer. And, would you know if the pom pom

:33:39. > :33:42.on that bobble hat you're wearing On anti-fur campaign group says some

:33:43. > :33:54.retailers are misleading shoppers. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:33:55. > :33:59.with a summary of today's news. Thank you very much, Victoria. Good

:34:00. > :34:02.morning. Preparations are under way

:34:03. > :34:05.in the Syrian city of Aleppo for the evacuation of rebel-held

:34:06. > :34:07.areas, after the Syrian government and opposition fighters confirmed

:34:08. > :34:09.a deal had been reached. A line of ambulances is waiting

:34:10. > :34:12.to bring out the sick and wounded There are reports that some

:34:13. > :34:17.ambulances attempting to leave Eastern Aleppo were shot

:34:18. > :34:21.at by pro-government forces. The Government has been told that

:34:22. > :34:24.a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU could take 10 years to finalise,

:34:25. > :34:27.and still fail. The BBC understands the advice

:34:28. > :34:33.was given privately by Britain's Ambassador to the EU,

:34:34. > :34:34.Sir Ivan Rogers. Downing Street has said

:34:35. > :34:37.he was simply passing on the views The internet giant Yahoo

:34:38. > :34:42.says its working with police to investigate a large scale hack

:34:43. > :34:45.which may have affected one billion The company says names,

:34:46. > :34:49.phone numbers, passwords and email addresses were stolen

:34:50. > :34:50.during the attack which It is the second time this year

:34:51. > :34:56.the company has announced This programme has learnt that

:34:57. > :35:06.Queen's Park Rangers did investigate the behaviour of a former youth

:35:07. > :35:08.development manager Chris Gieler, who died in 2002,

:35:09. > :35:12.was allowed to continue to work He is now at the centre of child

:35:13. > :35:16.abuse allegations at the club. We'll have more on this

:35:17. > :35:22.at 10 o'clock. The higher education

:35:23. > :35:23.admissions service, UCAS, says the gap between rich and poor

:35:24. > :35:26.students winning university places Teenagers from wealthy backgrounds

:35:27. > :35:33.are almost four times more likely to apply than those who received

:35:34. > :35:47.free school meals, That is a summary of the latest BBC

:35:48. > :35:52.News, Moore at ten o'clock. And with the latest sport, Jessica.

:35:53. > :35:55.An action packed night in the Premier League. All the title

:35:56. > :36:01.chasers were in action and picked up wins but it is Chelsea who will be

:36:02. > :36:04.the Christmas number ones. Six points clear at the top of the

:36:05. > :36:09.Premier League after Cesc Fabregas gave them a 1-0 win over Sunderland.

:36:10. > :36:12.On each of the four times the blues have won the league, they've been

:36:13. > :36:16.top at Christmas, maybe the footballing gods in their favour.

:36:17. > :36:19.Solomon Rondon becomes only the second person to score a headed

:36:20. > :36:26.hat-trick in Premier League history as he helped West Brom to a 3-1 win

:36:27. > :36:29.over Swansea. A fifth test against an Sri Lanka tomorrow and England

:36:30. > :36:35.will be without their leading wicket taker James Anderson. Alastair Cook

:36:36. > :36:40.described him as body saw and not worth the risk. England have already

:36:41. > :36:45.lost the series. I will be back just after ten with more.

:36:46. > :36:51.Thank you. I was just thinking there was another story coming!

:36:52. > :36:54.This time yesterday we were hearing from Syrians trapped in Aleppo

:36:55. > :36:59.The people who live in the biggest city in the country have been under

:37:00. > :37:07.siege for months with chronic food and fuel shortages.

:37:08. > :37:10.Today ceasefire is in place appears to be holding.

:37:11. > :37:12.There are reports that a bus carrying wounded residents has now

:37:13. > :37:15.left the eastern Sukkari district, heading to a pro-Syrian

:37:16. > :37:26.In a moment we speak to the two men we spoke to live yesterday, as you

:37:27. > :37:32.could clearly hear the sound of shelling. First, this film, which

:37:33. > :37:52.begins at how life used to be in Aleppo, Syria's biggest city.

:37:53. > :39:29.The situation inside Aleppo is Doomsday.

:39:30. > :39:34.I might just die now, speaking to you.

:39:35. > :39:40.The situation, now, is getting horrifically intensified.

:39:41. > :39:43.No-one can imagine what happened inside Aleppo

:39:44. > :39:48.We really hope to have a ceasefire soon

:39:49. > :39:55.because most people now who are dying here...

:39:56. > :40:01.They are in Aleppo and they cannot leave.

:40:02. > :40:04.Really, it's catastrophe, the situation.

:40:05. > :40:10.It might be one of the worst, you know,

:40:11. > :40:15.Are you comfortable with continuing to talk to us

:40:16. > :40:27.There is nowhere else that is safe in the whole east.

:40:28. > :40:36.People are being burnt to death and suffocated to death

:40:37. > :40:43.Don't believe any more ind the United Nation.

:40:44. > :40:45.Don't believe any more in the international community.

:40:46. > :40:54.Don't think that they are not satisfied with what's going on.

:40:55. > :41:06.That we are facing one of the most difficult...

:41:07. > :41:12.Or the most serious or the most horrible

:41:13. > :41:51.There is an urgent need for humanitarian teams to be deployed

:41:52. > :41:53.and given unfettered access to Aleppo, once government forces

:41:54. > :42:03.We are beginning to learn the price of not intervening.

:42:04. > :42:05.There are other solutions, such as using unmanned drones

:42:06. > :42:13.If we do nothing, if we just stand by and watch, then

:42:14. > :42:15.thousands more people in Syria will die in agony and millions

:42:16. > :42:18.in Britain will live with the shame of our inaction.

:42:19. > :42:20.They would make every effort to shoot down a British plane.

:42:21. > :42:31.The tragedy in Aleppo did not come out of a vacuum.

:42:32. > :42:36.It was created by a vacuum, a vacuum of Western

:42:37. > :42:55.leadership, of American leadership, British leadership.

:42:56. > :44:16.Let's speak to Haid Haid who left Syria four years ago,

:44:17. > :44:21.his sister is in East Aleppo, with her husband and baby.

:44:22. > :44:23.Also joining the conversation this morning is Peter Ford,

:44:24. > :44:25.a former British Ambassador to Syria.

:44:26. > :44:27.We can talk again to Monther Etaky and Zouhir Alshimale,

:44:28. > :44:30.both of whom we spoke to on the programme yesterday.

:44:31. > :44:32.Mr Etaky is an activist against President Assad's regime,

:44:33. > :44:34.and lives with there with his wife and baby; Mr Alshimale

:44:35. > :44:36.is a freelance journalist for AL Jazeera English,

:44:37. > :44:42.Middle East Eye and the New Arab website.

:44:43. > :44:48.As we were talking to them live yesterday we could clearly hear the

:44:49. > :44:56.sound of shelling getting closer and closer to them. When are you going

:44:57. > :45:01.to be able to leave, Monther? Actually, just waiting for the

:45:02. > :45:09.evacuation now out of the city. We are, we can't evacuate with the

:45:10. > :45:12.civilians, we have to go with the rebels, all of us. We are just

:45:13. > :45:24.waiting for the evacuation. Where are you going on what will

:45:25. > :45:33.happen when you get there? I am going to the only direction which is

:45:34. > :45:42.pointed for us which is the western countryside, to Idlib. I am sure I

:45:43. > :45:49.will try to find the safest place in this dangerous country. When we

:45:50. > :45:52.spoke to you yesterday, our British audience could clearly hear the

:45:53. > :45:59.sounds of shelling getting closer to you. Are you intending to get out or

:46:00. > :46:08.are you going to stay? Of course I am going to go out of East Aleppo.

:46:09. > :46:14.The regime will take control. The rebels will evacuate the East and

:46:15. > :46:29.the regime will take control. It does not make sense to me to stay. I

:46:30. > :46:34.am just intending to go and to leave for the countryside first and had

:46:35. > :46:45.some aroused after leaving East Aleppo right now. What has the last

:46:46. > :46:55.24 hours been like for you? The last 24 hours, there have been bombs and

:46:56. > :47:04.attacks. It is continuing to happen. I got an interview with the BBC

:47:05. > :47:12.Radio. There was the sound of the bombs and the attacks on East

:47:13. > :47:18.Aleppo. They have announced that we have the ceasefire active right now.

:47:19. > :47:27.They have stopped the bombs. The attacks were still ongoing. It has

:47:28. > :47:43.not stopped totally. Until now there is no bombing in the city. One

:47:44. > :47:50.person was killed and four injured. I'm going to bring it in Haid Haid,

:47:51. > :47:57.whose sister is there. When did you last hear from her? An hour ago.

:47:58. > :48:05.They are waiting and they don't know what will happen. Everyone is

:48:06. > :48:10.basically scared for their lives. If the ceasefire does not go through,

:48:11. > :48:14.they will definitely die. There is no way out. The regime will take

:48:15. > :48:19.revenge against those people, the same way it took revenge against

:48:20. > :48:23.other people who were confirmed by the UN and different agencies. More

:48:24. > :48:30.than 80 women and children were executed immediately. That is the

:48:31. > :48:34.fate they are waiting for. When you say she is waiting, they are waiting

:48:35. > :48:41.for a bus to take them to the same place, Idlib. She does not know

:48:42. > :48:50.anything. She is just waiting. Until now they were not told when they

:48:51. > :48:55.would be evacuated or where to. Everything is still vague. This is

:48:56. > :48:58.why the uncertainty of what will happen is the most difficult thing.

:48:59. > :49:03.Especially when you have a baby and do not know what will happen. You

:49:04. > :49:09.have experience as British ambassador to Syria. How do you

:49:10. > :49:18.reflect on the last 24 hours what do you see happening next? In the last

:49:19. > :49:30.several minutes there has been propaganda. Sorry. I will instruct.

:49:31. > :49:36.Why do you describe what you have heard from two men who live in

:49:37. > :49:43.eastern let out as propaganda? I am trying to do that. I am trying to

:49:44. > :49:49.give you facts. The UN has confirmed 82 executions. This is not true. The

:49:50. > :49:58.UN said it had received claims of such executions. Look, 99% of Aleppo

:49:59. > :50:03.is already in government hands. These people we have just been

:50:04. > :50:07.hearing from claims that there was genocide going on, that there were

:50:08. > :50:15.massacres, that there was a holocaust. So, with 99% of the

:50:16. > :50:18.territory now cleared, you could expect to find mounds of corpses.

:50:19. > :50:24.You would expect to find some evidence, just one verified

:50:25. > :50:33.instance. In fact there has not been one verified instance of summary

:50:34. > :50:37.execution. In fact, the Syrian army is extremely disciplined. There has

:50:38. > :50:45.been nothing on the scale that we have been led to believe. We are

:50:46. > :50:51.being manipulated. I am sorry. The BBC for weeks has allowed itself to

:50:52. > :50:56.be manipulated. Why are the rebel fighters always airbrushed out of

:50:57. > :51:02.the picture? Why do we never see images of these savage, militia men,

:51:03. > :51:06.Islamist 's, who have been preventing Aleppo girls go to

:51:07. > :51:19.schools? They have been using school as ammunition depots. Now to respond

:51:20. > :51:24.to that. Firstly, about the executions of the people in Aleppo

:51:25. > :51:34.city. We know about the hunters are people who have forcibly disappeared

:51:35. > :51:41.into the regime territory. That is by witnesses with the families of

:51:42. > :51:53.those men who know about that. Hundreds of people, they were

:51:54. > :52:02.executed before and in other areas. What about in eastern Aleppo? In the

:52:03. > :52:05.last 24, 48 hours, there have been reports on social media mostly

:52:06. > :52:16.without images. Reports of dead bodies piling up in the streets and

:52:17. > :52:19.reports of summary executions. Firstly, these reports cannot be

:52:20. > :52:28.captured in videos or filmed by videos. No one will be there. You

:52:29. > :52:34.can talk to the families which executed in these areas, the

:52:35. > :52:40.families of the relatives of these families, they will confirm that. It

:52:41. > :52:46.would be hard to independently verified. There are not many

:52:47. > :52:57.independent journalists in their, for obvious reasons. We don't give

:52:58. > :53:01.them the benefit of the doubt. They have been talking about genocide.

:53:02. > :53:08.The track record is abysmal. The journalist who has just spoken is on

:53:09. > :53:20.the payroll of a company controlling the Al Jazeera News channel. The

:53:21. > :53:38.freelance journalist contributes to many channels. It is unacceptable

:53:39. > :53:47.for me. We have been bombed by the Russians. The militia has been

:53:48. > :54:04.attacking us. There have been no consequences. The nonsense of talks

:54:05. > :54:14.about people who have been interfering in Aleppo and the whole

:54:15. > :54:20.Syrian situation. Anyone would be macro the city would not be brought

:54:21. > :54:28.down right now. I don't know why he is claiming that and talking about

:54:29. > :54:32.propaganda. Al Jazeera and the whole media are showing there's all around

:54:33. > :54:43.the world. It is about the stories of what is happening here. Thank you

:54:44. > :54:55.very much for talking to us. Peter Ford, the former British ambassador

:54:56. > :54:57.to Syria. Thank you very much for your time. I hope your sister gets

:54:58. > :55:12.out soon. It has been a long, hot and

:55:13. > :55:20.dangerous summer in Aleppo. You can see what damage has been done.

:55:21. > :55:21.Our Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen

:55:22. > :55:25.will be here to give his thoughts on what happens next in Syria.

:55:26. > :55:27.Is the end of the battle of Aleppo, the start of the endgame?

:55:28. > :55:32.We will certainly ask him about how it is possible to report accurately

:55:33. > :55:38.when so few Janice are in the east of Aleppo. -- journalists.

:55:39. > :55:40.If you have a question you want to ask him,

:55:41. > :55:42.do send them in now, on email victoria@bbc.co.uk,

:55:43. > :55:45.or message us on Twitter - using the hashtag VictoriaLIVE.

:55:46. > :55:48.Would you know if the pom pom on that bobble hat you're wearing

:55:49. > :55:51.Would you actually know the difference?

:55:52. > :55:53.The label inside should tell you, of course,

:55:54. > :55:55.but the anti-fur campaign group, Humane Society International, says

:55:56. > :55:57.consumers don't know that the clothes they're buying

:55:58. > :56:00.are sometimes made with real animal fur, because there are no

:56:01. > :56:03.Claire Bass is from the campaign group,

:56:04. > :56:06.and has been out on the high street to see if shoppers can

:56:07. > :56:17.They are all under ?20, they were all bought in the UK.

:56:18. > :56:19.They all say they are made of 100% acrylic, but

:56:20. > :56:21.in fact, they are made of real animal fur.

:56:22. > :56:24.So, we're going to ask some people if they can tell the

:56:25. > :56:25.difference between real and fake fur.

:56:26. > :56:38.This is an animal called a raccoon dog.

:56:39. > :56:40.What do you think this bit's made of and the

:56:41. > :56:48.This is a real fur, this is real fur and this is

:56:49. > :56:51.Does that give you all the information you need, if you wanted

:56:52. > :57:06.I have a strange feeling its fox fur, fox tail.

:57:07. > :57:09.If I told you this is actually real animal fur, would that surprise you?

:57:10. > :57:15.I thought I was joking about saying fox.

:57:16. > :57:17.I don't think they should be selling them really,

:57:18. > :57:24.Let's talk to Claire Bass, who is from Humane Society

:57:25. > :57:27.International, which is campaigning for an outright ban on all fur

:57:28. > :57:31.And Mike Moser is from the British Fur Trade

:57:32. > :57:32.Association, which represents fur brokers, dealers

:57:33. > :57:46.What is it that retailers are doing that is wrong in your view? I should

:57:47. > :57:50.start by saying the vast majority of our high street chains in the UK

:57:51. > :57:54.reflect the British public opinion, which is thoroughly opposed to the

:57:55. > :57:59.cruelty of the third trade. They have fur free policies. What we have

:58:00. > :58:04.found at the cheaper end of the market with independent stores,

:58:05. > :58:10.market shops, online marketplaces, is products like these. They contain

:58:11. > :58:18.real fur. They are all very cheap. This coat was ?30. Bobble hats ?10.

:58:19. > :58:26.Gloves for ?8. This is real fur or contains real fire? That is real

:58:27. > :58:31.fur. -- fur. The problem with these garments is they do not contain a

:58:32. > :58:37.label saying they contain real fur. In some cases the label says, 100%

:58:38. > :58:43.acrylic, which is confusing. As your footage has shown, people choose a

:58:44. > :58:50.variety of cues to choose real fur from fake fur. You try to Felix

:58:51. > :59:01.Reading you? One is baked and one is real. I asked you, which is which?

:59:02. > :59:08.-- you try to feel it, don't you? That is the real one, isn't it? I

:59:09. > :59:15.have got it the right way around! People often do not have the luxury

:59:16. > :59:18.of a side by side comparison. Why would a retailer wanted to a

:59:19. > :59:25.customer? If they make clear it was real fur they could charge more.

:59:26. > :59:33.There is a misconception that fur is this luxury item. It is more

:59:34. > :59:38.expensive than fake fur. This is a product of the awful conditions on

:59:39. > :59:45.fur farms across the world. Life is so cheap. A strip of raccoon dog

:59:46. > :59:51.like on this coat can be sold whole for as little as ?1. What kind of

:59:52. > :59:58.fur is that? I cannot say exactly but I guess it would be Fox or

:59:59. > :00:05.raccoons dog. Would you know? It is raccoon. What do you think about the

:00:06. > :00:11.fact that customers are being duped? The labels are ineffectual. The

:00:12. > :00:16.starting point is, I absolutely agree with Claire. All consumers are

:00:17. > :00:19.entitled to clear and accurate information on the products they are

:00:20. > :00:25.buying. I am incredulous that anyone would want to mislead someone.

:00:26. > :00:31.Adding fur to a garment adds luxury and value. It is not the cheap end

:00:32. > :00:36.of the market. They are not part of the mainstream fur trade. They can

:00:37. > :00:42.say that fur is produced. I disagree vehemently with what Claire was

:00:43. > :00:48.saying. The welfare standards in fur farms has improved erratically and

:00:49. > :00:53.quality comes through. Good welfare is good quality fur. Can you just

:00:54. > :01:02.find the label? You say it has fur in it. Let's check the label, which

:01:03. > :01:07.we -- will not mention that. The label says 35% cotton, 65% this

:01:08. > :01:09.goes. The lining is this goes and nothing at all about the trim. That

:01:10. > :01:20.is misleading. There is statutory and voluntary.

:01:21. > :01:25.That is misleading. There is statutory legislation regarding

:01:26. > :01:33.animal products. In actual fact, it's a new directive, but this slips

:01:34. > :01:37.through. It's to do with the weight. Whether it slips through or not,

:01:38. > :01:43.that label is misleading, yes? I think it should state it contains

:01:44. > :01:51.fur. So is misleading? It's not misleading, it's just not stating it

:01:52. > :01:56.has fur. We would take that even further and say what type of fur. We

:01:57. > :02:01.advise people to say contains fur and its mink or Fox, we're very

:02:02. > :02:05.proud of this. Your advice to the consumer? Ask the retailer, do you

:02:06. > :02:11.know where your product comes from? If they don't know I would be

:02:12. > :02:15.sceptical, I'd say come to us and we will advise a place to buy. And your

:02:16. > :02:19.advice to the consumer? If they find a product they think is breaching

:02:20. > :02:25.regulations advice trading standards. Our overarching messages,

:02:26. > :02:29.why we have this on sale in the first place when the vast majority

:02:30. > :02:33.of the British public reject the fur trade. We banned fur in 2000 and we

:02:34. > :02:38.are importing it from awful farms overseas now on we should stop that.

:02:39. > :02:40.OK, thank you both for coming on the programme. Your views are welcome.

:02:41. > :02:43.He lost his job but discovered his bank

:02:44. > :02:45.was allowing him unlimited credit by mistake.

:02:46. > :02:48.For Luke Moore it was too good an opportunity to miss as splurged

:02:49. > :02:58.We'll be talking to him live from Australia a little later.

:02:59. > :03:04.That just before 11am. The latest news and sport in a moment, but

:03:05. > :03:13.first, the weather. If you have seen some sun-dried this

:03:14. > :03:17.morning, well done, not much to go around. For most of us are really

:03:18. > :03:21.cloudy day. One of the brighter spots is Dundee, beautiful sunrise

:03:22. > :03:24.here, just about making its way through the layers of cloud in the

:03:25. > :03:29.sky. That is the theme today, most of us without lot of cloud. A few

:03:30. > :03:33.brighter moments particularly in Wales and south-west England later

:03:34. > :03:36.on. At the same time we will probably see increasing cloud

:03:37. > :03:40.bringing some rain to the north-west of England, wet in Northern Ireland,

:03:41. > :03:44.East Anglia and south-east England the crowd may break up to give some

:03:45. > :03:46.limited sunny spells. Overnight tonight, where there are gaps in the

:03:47. > :03:59.cloud it will just in. Misty over the hills,

:04:00. > :04:02.outbreaks of rain pushing across Northern Ireland at that rain very

:04:03. > :04:03.slowly on Friday will continue its journey eastwards into Scotland,

:04:04. > :04:06.where it will be heavily for Dumfries Galloway. Most of England

:04:07. > :04:09.and Wales having a dry day on Friday, with a lot of cloud but a

:04:10. > :04:12.few breaks, perhaps some of these coming into south-east England and

:04:13. > :04:19.East Anglia. On the mild side, up to 12 degrees.

:04:20. > :04:22.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:04:23. > :04:26.The latest revelations about abuse in football -

:04:27. > :04:28.Queens Park Rangers continued to employ a youth development

:04:29. > :04:31.officer at the centre of abuse allegations at the club

:04:32. > :04:32.after carrying out their own investigation into his

:04:33. > :04:39.We will bring you the exclusive story.

:04:40. > :04:42.It's unclear whether a plan to evacuate Syrian rebels

:04:43. > :04:44.and their families from their last enclave in Aleppo is underway.

:04:45. > :04:47.There are reports that the first convoy was turned back

:04:48. > :04:49.We spoke to one activist in the city.

:04:50. > :05:01.We are just waiting for the evacuation out of the city. We can't

:05:02. > :05:08.evacuate with the civilians, we have to go with the rebels, all of us. We

:05:09. > :05:10.are just waiting to plan for the evacuation.

:05:11. > :05:13.And what would you do if your bank just kept on putting

:05:14. > :05:18.money in your account, despite none of it being yours?

:05:19. > :05:23.Obviously you wouldn't spend it, you would tell them and they get it out,

:05:24. > :05:25.it's not my money. We will talk to an Austalian man

:05:26. > :05:33.who lived the high life on unlimited credit for two years -

:05:34. > :05:35.until the bank put a stope to it. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom,

:05:36. > :05:40.with a summary of todays news. Ministers have been warned that

:05:41. > :05:44.a final Brexit deal may take ten years to achieve,

:05:45. > :05:46.and still ultimately fail to be ratified by all the members

:05:47. > :05:48.of the European Union. The advice was given in October

:05:49. > :05:51.by Britain's Ambassador to the EU. Downing Street said Sir Ivan Rogers

:05:52. > :06:06.was simply passing on the views Theresa May has arrived in Brussels

:06:07. > :06:10.for an EU leaders summit. Topics under discussion will include

:06:11. > :06:15.migration and defence. Mrs May won't attend tonight for a session on

:06:16. > :06:18.Brexit and said it was right ministers held such talks without

:06:19. > :06:25.her. I welcome the fact the other leaders will be meeting to discuss

:06:26. > :06:28.Brexit tonight, as we are going to invoke Article 50 by the end of

:06:29. > :06:32.March next year. It is right the other leaders prepare for those

:06:33. > :06:36.negotiations, as we have been preparing. We will be leaving the EU

:06:37. > :06:40.and we want that to be a smooth and orderly process as much as possible.

:06:41. > :06:45.It's not just in our interest but the interest of the rest of Europe

:06:46. > :06:48.as well. Latest reports from Aleppo say some ambulances have moved

:06:49. > :06:52.towards the rebel held areas of the city to carry out an evacuation of

:06:53. > :06:57.the wounded. Earlier Syrian state television said all the procedures

:06:58. > :07:00.for evacuation were ready. The convoy of ambulances have been

:07:01. > :07:05.waiting to move on to an earlier agreement on an evacuation plan

:07:06. > :07:08.broke down yesterday. An activist opposed to President Assad's regime

:07:09. > :07:13.is trapped in eastern Aleppo with his wife and baby. Actually, we're

:07:14. > :07:22.just waiting for the out of the city. We can't evacuate with the

:07:23. > :07:30.civilians, we have to go with the rebels, all of us. We are just

:07:31. > :07:36.waiting to plan for the evacuation. Where are you going to, what's going

:07:37. > :07:50.to happen to you when you get there? I'm going to the only direction for

:07:51. > :07:55.us, the Western countryside, to Idlib. I'm sure I'll try to find the

:07:56. > :07:57.safest place in this dangerous country.

:07:58. > :07:59.The internet giant, Yahoo, says its working with police

:08:00. > :08:02.to investigate a large scale hack which may have affected one billion

:08:03. > :08:09.The company says names, phone numbers, passwords and email

:08:10. > :08:11.addresses were stolen during the attack, which

:08:12. > :08:15.It is the second time this year the company has announced

:08:16. > :08:20.This programme has learnt that Queen's Park Rangers did investigate

:08:21. > :08:22.the behaviour of a former youth development manager

:08:23. > :08:27.Chris Gieler, who died in 2002, was allowed to continue to work

:08:28. > :08:36.He is now at the centre of child abuse allegations at the club.

:08:37. > :08:39.We'll have more on this in the next few minutes.

:08:40. > :08:42.The NSPCC says more than 1700 calls have now been made to a telephone

:08:43. > :08:47.hotline set up because of alleged historical abuse in football.

:08:48. > :08:49.The hotline, which is being funded by the Football Association,

:08:50. > :08:54.The charity says it is encouraging people who have been afraid

:08:55. > :08:59.The higher education admissions service, Ucas,

:09:00. > :09:02.says the gap between rich and poor students winning university places

:09:03. > :09:06.Teenagers from wealthy backgrounds are almost four times more likely

:09:07. > :09:09.to apply than those who received free school meals,

:09:10. > :09:16.All new police officers will have to be educated to degree

:09:17. > :09:18.level in the future, under sweeping changes to the way

:09:19. > :09:22.A paid three-year degree apprenticeship is among three

:09:23. > :09:25.options open to people wanting to join one of the 43 forces

:09:26. > :09:27.in England and Wales, under changes unveiled

:09:28. > :09:33.It's hoped the move will help forces to address

:09:34. > :09:46.A major incident has been declared an old in Greater Manchester, where

:09:47. > :09:50.more than 70 firefighters are tackling a huge fire at a former

:09:51. > :09:53.paper mill. Around 100 properties have been evacuated.

:09:54. > :09:57.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:09:58. > :10:05.Thank you very much. This e-mail about further, regarding your story

:10:06. > :10:09.on real fur marked as fake fur it's not just the lower end of the

:10:10. > :10:14.market, we in Jersey have a high-end type store that sell woollen hats

:10:15. > :10:18.from China with a real ball on the top with no indication. When local

:10:19. > :10:22.media approach them regarding these hats having real fur with no

:10:23. > :10:27.indication of it, the reaction was they sell well, so why remove the

:10:28. > :10:32.item? View on Facebook says it is a man wants to wear real fur it's up

:10:33. > :10:34.to them, but disgusting to pass off these items as fake fur when it is

:10:35. > :10:35.genuine. Do get in touch with us

:10:36. > :10:37.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:10:38. > :10:49.and if you text, you will be charged Starting with football this morning.

:10:50. > :10:58.West Brom striker Solomon Rondon makes history last night. The second

:10:59. > :11:00.headed hat-trick in Premier League history.

:11:01. > :11:02.It was Duncan Ferguson for Everton in 1997,

:11:03. > :11:16.Not a bad way for him to bag his first hattrick for the club.

:11:17. > :11:18.The first one, surrounded by defenders, but showed good strength

:11:19. > :11:24.The second, another great leap, and well directed.

:11:25. > :11:26.And for the third, the defenders still allowed him

:11:27. > :11:32.So three headers in just 13 minutes, and a 3-1 win for West Brom.

:11:33. > :11:38.That was one of eight Premier League games last night all the big

:11:39. > :11:40.Manchester United beat Crystal Palace, Manchester City

:11:41. > :11:42.won against Watford, Liverpool picked up

:11:43. > :11:46.three points too, but can anyone catch Chelsea?

:11:47. > :11:48.They're 6 points clear at the top after their 1-0

:11:49. > :11:53.And it means they'll be this year's Christmas Number Ones...

:11:54. > :11:55.It was Cesc Fabregas who scored in the first half,

:11:56. > :12:01.to give Chelsea their 10th straight league win.

:12:02. > :12:04.Trying to chase Chelsea down are Liverpool, who are up to second.

:12:05. > :12:06.3-0 they beat Middlesborough, with two goals from

:12:07. > :12:21.England will be without their leading wicket

:12:22. > :12:24.He had been out since August with a shoulder injury before

:12:25. > :12:26.returning to play the second Test in India.

:12:27. > :12:29.Anderson has taken just four wickets in the three Tests he's played

:12:30. > :12:35.Alastair Cook described him as body saw and not worth the risk. And

:12:36. > :12:37.finally... The BBC Young Sports Personality

:12:38. > :12:40.of the Year has been announced, it goes to Paralympic swimmer Ellie

:12:41. > :12:42.Robinson. The 15-year-old set a new Paralympic

:12:43. > :12:45.world record when she won gold in the S6 50m butterfly in Rio,

:12:46. > :12:47.and also took bronze She received the award

:12:48. > :12:55.on the One Show on BBC 1 last night. She follows illustrious footsteps -

:12:56. > :13:00.the likes of Wayne Rooney, Andy Murray and Tom Daley have

:13:01. > :13:04.all previously won the award. And Sports Personality of the Year

:13:05. > :13:12.is on BBC One on Sunday evening. More revelations about abuse

:13:13. > :13:19.in football this morning. This programme has learned

:13:20. > :13:22.exclusively that Queen's Park Rangers did investigate

:13:23. > :13:31.the behaviour of former youth development officer,

:13:32. > :13:33.Chris Gieler, in the late 1980s. But he was allowed to continue

:13:34. > :13:35.to work with children He is now at the centre of child

:13:36. > :13:43.abuse allegations at the club. As this scandal goes on it becomes

:13:44. > :13:48.clear that this is not just about sexual abuse, this is about what

:13:49. > :13:51.clubs might have known ten or 20 years ago, what actions they might

:13:52. > :13:55.have taken back then to protect young players. Today we have more

:13:56. > :14:00.information about Chris Gieler, a former head scout at Queens Park

:14:01. > :14:05.Rangers football club. There is a photograph of him here. He is now

:14:06. > :14:09.dead, passed away in 2002 aged 56. He worked at the club right until

:14:10. > :14:16.that point. He has already been named in allegations relating to

:14:17. > :14:22.child sexual abuse at Kubiak? Yes. He was there 30 years, joined in

:14:23. > :14:26.1971. He became youth development manager. In charge of the entire

:14:27. > :14:31.youth setup at QPR. The club have already said in a statement last

:14:32. > :14:36.week they are aware of allegations involving Chris Gieler that relate

:14:37. > :14:40.to child sexual abuse back in the 1980s and nineties. And you have

:14:41. > :14:45.been speaking to former players about this? Yes, more than ten and

:14:46. > :14:49.members of staff. All at the moment want to remain anonymous, they don't

:14:50. > :14:57.want us to share their names. We spoke to one former player last week

:14:58. > :14:59.who came on the programme and talked about it, who spoke about what he

:15:00. > :15:02.thought was a sexual assault by Mr Gieler. He said he was in a changing

:15:03. > :15:07.room and Mr Gieler attempted to touch his genitals. He was 13 or 14

:15:08. > :15:12.at the time and shouted at him and pushed him away. We have spoken to

:15:13. > :15:15.many others who talks about his inappropriate behaviour. One former

:15:16. > :15:17.player turned professional said he would often see all boys likes to

:15:18. > :15:21.make sure they were developing properly and chapter boys when they

:15:22. > :15:24.were naked in the shower after a game. He went on to say this made

:15:25. > :15:30.him and other players involved feel very uncomfortable about it. Others

:15:31. > :15:34.also spoke, and this came up again and again, about gifts Mr Gieler

:15:35. > :15:38.would buy, quite expensive gifts for his preferred young footballers. We

:15:39. > :15:43.are talking about hundreds of pounds spent on sporting equipment, boots

:15:44. > :15:47.and also clothes to wear casually, subsidised holidays when that kind

:15:48. > :15:50.of thing. While some footballers spoke about how this man was quite

:15:51. > :15:54.strange concerned about him, others said he was a genuinely nice man and

:15:55. > :16:01.had players best interest at heart. There was a mix of use.

:16:02. > :16:12.We understand there was an investigation into his behaviour

:16:13. > :16:16.back into the late 80s. 1987, 1988 after a change of ownership at the

:16:17. > :16:20.club. They were questioned by senior members of staff about his

:16:21. > :16:24.behaviour. They do not know the outcome of the investigation. It has

:16:25. > :16:29.not been established whether they found abuse at the end of it at all.

:16:30. > :16:34.After this investigation, his behaviour continued the way it was

:16:35. > :16:40.before. Even if they could not find evidence of abuse, something should

:16:41. > :16:45.have been done, should have changed, so he could not act inappropriately.

:16:46. > :16:49.This player said, the club was complicit after that point and did

:16:50. > :16:55.not act on it. They should have put a safeguarding policy in place. They

:16:56. > :16:58.were his words. What does QPR say? They say it is difficult and

:16:59. > :17:05.inappropriate to comment on these claims. They do not want to get in

:17:06. > :17:09.the wake of any ongoing police or FA investigation. QPR is aware of the

:17:10. > :17:13.historical allegations and its employee relating to child abuse in

:17:14. > :17:18.football. The club takes these allegations very seriously. They

:17:19. > :17:25.said any form of abuse has no place in football or society. We have new

:17:26. > :17:32.figures out from the NSPCC showing the extent. The NSPCC setup with the

:17:33. > :17:36.football Association a new helpline three weeks ago is the civic level

:17:37. > :17:40.football. They said they have received 1700 calls. That is more

:17:41. > :17:45.than 80 calls a day. After last week, the police chief said, 83

:17:46. > :17:50.potential suspects they are looking at a 93 clubs involved you can see

:17:51. > :17:55.how widespread the scandal is becoming. A reminder that the NSPCC

:17:56. > :17:57.has that free helpline which offers advice and support.

:17:58. > :18:04.And if you've been affected by ay of the issues we've been talking

:18:05. > :18:07.about, you can find a list of helplines at the bbc action line.

:18:08. > :18:15.Next year your council tax bill will most likely rise to pay

:18:16. > :18:20.One day most of us will probably need social care.

:18:21. > :18:26.Social care means help and support for elderly people which can enable

:18:27. > :18:31.It can include anything from help getting out of bed

:18:32. > :18:36.and washing, through to care homes and drop-in centres.

:18:37. > :18:40.Social care can be provided by private carers or carers

:18:41. > :18:46.rise of up to 6%, which the government

:18:47. > :18:51.won't plug the massive funding gap that's estimated to reach

:18:52. > :19:00.Let's talk to Conservative MP Dr Sarah Wollaston MP, who is chair

:19:01. > :19:06.Lorna Wheatley and her 17-year-old daughter Lucy -

:19:07. > :19:09.Lorna's mother has sold her house to pay for care in a care home,

:19:10. > :19:15.And Ryan Godwin, who owns Holme Manor Care Home in Lancashire

:19:16. > :19:27.Councillor Graham Chapman, deputy leader

:19:28. > :19:31.of Nottingham City Council is here too.

:19:32. > :19:38.Is this the right idea from your government to allow councils in

:19:39. > :19:43.England and Wales to raise council tax and put more money into social

:19:44. > :19:49.care? It is a short-term approach was that we needed a longer term

:19:50. > :19:52.solution. I personally would like to see political parties working

:19:53. > :19:58.together to look at how we can have a solution. It is very depressing,

:19:59. > :20:02.sitting in the House of Commons and hearing this approach to something

:20:03. > :20:06.that is absolutely essential for us to sort out now. Many of us across

:20:07. > :20:09.the Commons are urging the Government and the opposition to

:20:10. > :20:16.work together. We have had commissions over the years. Loads of

:20:17. > :20:21.ideas. Whoever is in power at the time has said, we cannot possibly do

:20:22. > :20:26.that. It will mean all of us looking at how we pay for this. Frank Field

:20:27. > :20:30.has put forward some very good suggestions. He is a Labour MP about

:20:31. > :20:36.how we can use national insurance, how we can build in some

:20:37. > :20:40.intergenerational fairness about funding social care. What has been

:20:41. > :20:43.announced later today would be a short-term way of bringing in extra

:20:44. > :20:49.emergency cash. There is a crisis across social care. We know this. It

:20:50. > :20:53.means more and more people, a million people, are not having care

:20:54. > :20:57.needs met. More are ending up in expensive settings where it is not

:20:58. > :21:04.safe for them to be in our hospitals are having a huge knock-on effect on

:21:05. > :21:11.the NHS. If there is extra money we need to stabilise the system now. If

:21:12. > :21:14.councils do put up council tax it will disproportionately affect

:21:15. > :21:18.poorer people on lower incomes. The difficulty is that the areas that

:21:19. > :21:22.can raise the most money, the wealthier areas, have more people

:21:23. > :21:26.paying for themselves in any case. Those areas which of a disadvantage

:21:27. > :21:31.are less able to raise money and have more people who are not able to

:21:32. > :21:35.fund themselves. There needs to be an equalising mechanism so that we

:21:36. > :21:41.can move money around the system, so it is therefore everybody, in my

:21:42. > :21:48.view. I wonder if you can tell us about your mum and what has

:21:49. > :21:56.happened. The reason my mum is in a home now is because she had a road

:21:57. > :21:59.traffic accident some 27 years ago. Remarkably, she kept her

:22:00. > :22:05.independence until the last few years. She is an amputee and also

:22:06. > :22:10.had head injuries and various injuries throughout her body. She is

:22:11. > :22:14.now 82. She fought to stay living in hiring home for as long as she

:22:15. > :22:20.possibly could. There came a point three years ago, when she was

:22:21. > :22:25.falling several times a day was not able to manage on her own anymore.

:22:26. > :22:35.We took her to live with us. We managed for a year. I was struggling

:22:36. > :22:45.by that to keep the family... It was a very tense situation. -- by that

:22:46. > :22:50.point. The local authority put her into a care home. After she had been

:22:51. > :22:57.around about six months, we had sold mum's how's and half the value of

:22:58. > :23:05.that went to pay for her continuing care in the home. That money has now

:23:06. > :23:08.run out. That ran out in April. As the local council stepped in? I do

:23:09. > :23:15.not know that automatically is the right word. I approached them for

:23:16. > :23:19.assistance. I continued paying in the meantime. They came and did an

:23:20. > :23:26.assessment of mum and made a decision. The decision being that,

:23:27. > :23:31.in our opinion, ma'am would have to move to what they classify as extra

:23:32. > :23:42.care independent living. What does that mean? It means an independent

:23:43. > :23:45.apartment we would have to furnish. Care staff would have to come in

:23:46. > :23:54.four times a day to make mum of drink, get her up and washed. They

:23:55. > :23:58.would pay for that? They would make a contribution. She categorically

:23:59. > :24:07.does not want that. The whole idea frightens her very much. It is your

:24:08. > :24:12.grandma. What do you think the uncertainty is about and how is it

:24:13. > :24:16.affecting her and her outlook? It is very hard knowing that is my grandma

:24:17. > :24:27.who is in that position. She is not able to have independence. It upsets

:24:28. > :24:30.you, doesn't it? Yes. You own a care home business with you why. The

:24:31. > :24:36.money the council plays with you for places great you say is not enough

:24:37. > :24:40.to cover the bills. That is right. The money the council has paid over

:24:41. > :24:45.a period of years, we have seen this coming for a long time, it has

:24:46. > :24:49.gradually eroded so that the amounts paid by the council are not really

:24:50. > :24:57.relevant completely to the total costs of care. There is a shortfall

:24:58. > :25:02.in Council funding today. Does that mean you are putting money in to pay

:25:03. > :25:07.for other people in your care home, which reduces your profits. Is that

:25:08. > :25:11.what happened? Is it a lesser service? The idea it is that we

:25:12. > :25:15.offer the best standard of service that we can put that there is no

:25:16. > :25:20.such thing as a poor standard of care. The care industry has been

:25:21. > :25:26.heavily regulated. You might be aware of that. We have to provide,

:25:27. > :25:30.and indeed want to provide, are very good standard of care for people.

:25:31. > :25:34.Vulnerable adults who are living to us on a long-term basis. What we

:25:35. > :25:37.know from the Care Quality Commission as they have described

:25:38. > :25:41.social care is being at a tipping point. What is happening as a result

:25:42. > :25:47.of these pressures as they are seeing care home providers pulling

:25:48. > :25:50.out of the market. We are seeing provision for people within their

:25:51. > :25:54.own homes, people pulling out of that. In my constituency I know of

:25:55. > :25:59.one individual who was living in her own home with support but now that

:26:00. > :26:02.support is no longer available ( home, she has had to move to a

:26:03. > :26:09.residential setting where she did not want to be. This is a real

:26:10. > :26:14.concern for everybody. I am confused. Your party, one of its

:26:15. > :26:19.manifesto promises, was a cap on care costs. You would only have to

:26:20. > :26:24.contribute if you have more than ?72,000 and said of the current

:26:25. > :26:29.?23,000. They have now you turned on that. They have delayed it. When

:26:30. > :26:33.they brought in the National Living Wage which was a good thing, care

:26:34. > :26:37.staff were relatively low-paid. It was a good thing to bring it in but

:26:38. > :26:44.meant it was completely unaffordable. Local government asked

:26:45. > :26:48.the Government to delay its they could implement the living wage and

:26:49. > :26:53.postponed bringing in the cap. You say it will happen if then Chile.

:26:54. > :27:00.They have to. We legislated for it in the last Parliament. What would

:27:01. > :27:05.happen if they did not? They would have to repeal the legislation.

:27:06. > :27:09.There is no sanction if they did not follow through on the legislation.

:27:10. > :27:15.They are the Government. They can do what they want. They have said they

:27:16. > :27:19.delayed it. My view is that they went into the last election with

:27:20. > :27:21.this as a promise. It was not an issue. People thought it was done

:27:22. > :27:29.and dusted. They cannot delay it again. Do you think, another promise

:27:30. > :27:33.your government made, which was the triple lock on pensions, does it

:27:34. > :27:37.make sense to keep that in place you have people with a reasonably decent

:27:38. > :27:42.pension stuck in a hospital because there is no funding for them, to get

:27:43. > :27:46.the Mac home so they can live independently? This is something the

:27:47. > :27:49.head of the NHS was talking about when he gave evidence to the

:27:50. > :27:52.communities and local Gutmann community yesterday. There is a

:27:53. > :27:56.range of options. It is not the me to set out what that will be. We

:27:57. > :28:00.need a cross-party group of people looking at this very closely saying,

:28:01. > :28:03.what are all the options that are possible? That was one of them.

:28:04. > :28:09.Let's try to bring in the fairest mechanism. We have to make sure that

:28:10. > :28:12.older people are cared for with dignity. We have had 31% increase in

:28:13. > :28:16.the number of people who are living to 85 and over in the last decade.

:28:17. > :28:21.It is a great success but we need to make sure they are cared for with

:28:22. > :28:24.dignity when they need it. Is a council tax rise for all of us in

:28:25. > :28:32.England and Wales the right way to try to plug a bit of this shortfall?

:28:33. > :28:42.I think, saying a bit is hitting the nail on the head. It is not going

:28:43. > :28:46.to... It is only a very small part. I am going to bring in Councillor

:28:47. > :28:50.Graham Chapman on that point. I looking forward to putting up

:28:51. > :28:56.council tax bills that your council tax payers? No. It is dumping the

:28:57. > :29:00.costs on the council taxpayer. Sarah Williston was right. The poorer the

:29:01. > :29:06.area, the more it will cost them. You are putting the onus onto very

:29:07. > :29:11.poor people. What would solution be? The point I have to make if we think

:29:12. > :29:14.it will only raise about an extra million for us beyond what we are

:29:15. > :29:20.expecting. The pressures on us are 10 million. It is putting an

:29:21. > :29:23.Elastoplast over it. Then they will take off the last passed before the

:29:24. > :29:28.wound has healed. It is not the right thing to do. There are

:29:29. > :29:32.solutions. There are a range of options. They are reducing

:29:33. > :29:38.corporation tax, a very silly thing to do. I will not go into that. You

:29:39. > :29:42.do not mean reducing corporation tax, you mean reversing the cut in

:29:43. > :29:46.corporation tax, don't you? Effectively. The Government is

:29:47. > :29:51.taking a lot more in business rates that it is handing back to councils.

:29:52. > :29:55.There is a substantial amount in a pot. We'll so need to be told in

:29:56. > :30:00.getting very mature about it as a nation, you cannot have decent care

:30:01. > :30:03.and not be taxed. We should be talking about national taxation in

:30:04. > :30:07.order to be able to solve this problem. In the short term you need

:30:08. > :30:11.to look at how much the Government is retaining from business rates and

:30:12. > :30:15.it should be redistributed. The growth in business rates would cover

:30:16. > :30:19.the cost. You cannot keep putting the onus on the council taxpayer,

:30:20. > :30:24.especially in poorer areas. The other point that needs to be made is

:30:25. > :30:29.it is not just social care that is suffering, it is other services

:30:30. > :30:34.within Council, in order to pay for the gap in social care funding. A

:30:35. > :30:38.rise in council tax? You will not have a choice. Do you think that is

:30:39. > :30:42.the right way to pay for social care? We work in a dynamic

:30:43. > :30:46.environment. The problem is here and now. People need the care today the

:30:47. > :30:50.study cannot say, perhaps at some time in the future some more need

:30:51. > :30:56.care. Of course, we're all getting older. We have become older or maybe

:30:57. > :31:00.lost our health. The need is today that something needs to be done

:31:01. > :31:09.today. Certainly I think so. Thank you.

:31:10. > :31:17.We have a statement from the Communities Secretary,

:31:18. > :31:20.Sajid Javid will be live on the BBC News Channel

:31:21. > :31:22.a little later this morning, at around 11:15.

:31:23. > :31:24.you can get a statement from him then.

:31:25. > :31:35.It's been a long, hot and dangerous summer in the city of Aleppo and you

:31:36. > :31:37.can see it. Our Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen

:31:38. > :31:40.will be here to give his thoughts Is the end of the battle of Aleppo,

:31:41. > :31:45.the start of the endgame? If you have a question

:31:46. > :31:47.you want to ask him - do send them in now -

:31:48. > :31:50.on email victoria@bbc.co.uk, or message us on twitter -

:31:51. > :31:52.using the hashtag VictoriaLIVE. And, he lost his job

:31:53. > :31:54.but discovered his bank was allowing him unlimited

:31:55. > :31:56.credit by mistake. For Luke Moore it was too good

:31:57. > :32:02.an opportunity to miss, So he spent loads and loads and

:32:03. > :32:05.loads and loads, hundreds of thousands of dollars. We are going

:32:06. > :32:11.to ask him why was he so stupid in the next half-hour.

:32:12. > :32:15.With the News here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:32:16. > :32:22.Thank you, good morning. In the past few minutes the Russian news agency

:32:23. > :32:25.has said the evacuation of 5000 Syrian rebels and their family

:32:26. > :32:30.members from eastern Aleppo has begun. Latest reports say an

:32:31. > :32:34.evacuation of the wounded is also underway. Ambulances have been on

:32:35. > :32:36.stand-by since an earlier agreement on an evacuation plan broke down

:32:37. > :32:38.yesterday. Ministers have been warned that

:32:39. > :32:41.a final Brexit deal may take ten years to achieve,

:32:42. > :32:43.and still ultimately fail to be ratified by all the members

:32:44. > :32:45.of the European Union. The advice was given in October

:32:46. > :32:48.by Britain's Ambassador to the EU. Downing Street said Sir Ivan Rogers

:32:49. > :32:51.was simply passing on the views This programme has learnt that

:32:52. > :32:57.Queen's Park Rangers did investigate the behaviour of a former youth

:32:58. > :32:59.development manager Chris Gieler, who died in 2002,

:33:00. > :33:06.was allowed to continue to work He is now at the centre of child

:33:07. > :33:12.abuse allegations at the club. The internet giant Yahoo

:33:13. > :33:14.says its working with police to investigate a large scale hack

:33:15. > :33:17.which may have affected one billion The company says names,

:33:18. > :33:20.phone numbers, passwords and email addresses were stolen

:33:21. > :33:22.during the attack which It is the second time this year

:33:23. > :33:27.the company has announced A major incident has been declared

:33:28. > :33:34.in Oldham in Greater Manchester, where more than 70 firefighters

:33:35. > :33:36.are tackling a huge fire Around 100 properties

:33:37. > :33:44.have been evacuated. That's a summary of the latest news,

:33:45. > :33:47.join me for BBC Newsroom Here's the latest

:33:48. > :33:52.sport now with Jess. It was busy night in

:33:53. > :33:56.the Premier League, with all the title chasers picking

:33:57. > :33:59.up wins - Manchester United, But it's Chelsea who'll be

:34:00. > :34:02.Christmas number ones. They're six points clear

:34:03. > :34:04.at the top of the table, after Cesc Fabregas gave them a 1-0

:34:05. > :34:09.win over Sunderland. On each of the four times the Blues

:34:10. > :34:12.have won the league, Salamon Rondon becomes only

:34:13. > :34:22.the second person to score a headed hattrick in Premier League history,

:34:23. > :34:24.as he helped West Brom And the 5th Test begins in Chennai

:34:25. > :34:28.tomorrow for England's cricketers, but they'll be without their leading

:34:29. > :34:33.wicket taker James Anderson. Captain Alastair Cook has

:34:34. > :34:35.described him as "body sore" England have already

:34:36. > :34:43.lost the series. That is all the sport for now.

:34:44. > :34:46.Cheers. A post-Brexit trade deal

:34:47. > :34:49.between the UK and EU could take up to ten years to negotiate -

:34:50. > :34:54.that's according to Britain's The BBC understands Sir Ivan Rogers

:34:55. > :34:57.has warned ministers a deal might not be done

:34:58. > :35:01.until the mid-2020s, and that an agreement could ultimately be

:35:02. > :35:04.rejected by other EU member states. Let's get the latest

:35:05. > :35:15.from our political guru, I guess when people voted to leave

:35:16. > :35:20.the EU most of us thought it would be done and dusted in a few years.

:35:21. > :35:26.Not so, it seems, according to our man in Brussels, Sir Ivan Rogers,

:35:27. > :35:29.who says actually to get a final trade deal, get everything sorted

:35:30. > :35:33.out could take a decade and even then, it might not be possible. Any

:35:34. > :35:39.final arrangement would have to be signed off by all 27 other EU

:35:40. > :35:43.parliaments. It might be Mission impossible, and that is becoming a

:35:44. > :35:46.bit of a bone of contention, because listening to some of the voices in

:35:47. > :35:50.Brussels, it looks like they think this is going to take an awfully

:35:51. > :35:54.long time. We had the chief negotiator for the European

:35:55. > :35:58.Commission the other day saying we're not even going to talk to you

:35:59. > :36:02.about a trade deal until you've left in a couple of years' time. So we

:36:03. > :36:06.don't even get to start to talk about what sort of trade

:36:07. > :36:10.arrangements we might have until 2019, and there is a view that may

:36:11. > :36:16.be summit in Brussels are just trying to make this difficult for

:36:17. > :36:19.us. They're trying to put a bit of stick about. Why? Because they want

:36:20. > :36:24.to discourage other countries from going down the Brexit Road. That is

:36:25. > :36:28.one of the things they are likely to discuss this evening at the EU

:36:29. > :36:34.summit in Brussels, where they will have up to summit dimmer that

:36:35. > :36:38.Theresa May won't be invited to, because they want to club together

:36:39. > :36:42.in private to discuss tactics about how they are going to deal with us.

:36:43. > :36:46.Arriving for the summit this morning Mrs May was asked all about this,

:36:47. > :36:48.about the trade deal and about that dinner.

:36:49. > :36:51.I welcome the fact that the other leaders will be meeting

:36:52. > :36:54.to discuss Brexit tonight, as we are going to invoke Article

:36:55. > :36:58.50, trigger the negotiations, by the end of March next year.

:36:59. > :37:01.It's right that the other leaders prepare for those negotiations,

:37:02. > :37:06.We will be leaving the EU, we want that to be a smooth and orderly

:37:07. > :37:09.It's not just in our interest, it's in the interests

:37:10. > :37:24.Mrs May walking away from questions about if it would take ten years.

:37:25. > :37:30.Others have been talking about this. We heard from a government minister

:37:31. > :37:34.in the Commons who played down the idea it could take ten years. He

:37:35. > :37:38.said look at the deal between the US in Jordan, it only took four months

:37:39. > :37:44.so it doesn't have to go on for ever and a day. And there's been a bit of

:37:45. > :37:49.a blowback against Sir Ivan Rogers from Brexiteers, saying this is the

:37:50. > :37:51.guy that got it all wrong regarding David Cameron's negotiations with

:37:52. > :37:53.other EU leaders. Sir Ivan is a a professional

:37:54. > :37:56.politician and was in the Foreign Office for six years,

:37:57. > :37:59.but I do fear that he's been rather scarred by his own pessimism

:38:00. > :38:01.in relation to the renegotiation, which didn't succeed

:38:02. > :38:03.in persuading the British people to stay in the EU,

:38:04. > :38:05.and that may have But we ought to have a worst-case

:38:06. > :38:09.scenario, but the truth is, what we're going to be aiming

:38:10. > :38:12.for is the best case scenario, and that includes barrier free

:38:13. > :38:23.trade, which is good for Britain So, what does this all tell us? I

:38:24. > :38:26.think this tells us it's going to be a pretty bruising set of

:38:27. > :38:31.negotiations. What we're seeing now here is the initial manoeuvring,

:38:32. > :38:36.with the European Commission and others in Europe saying, well, this

:38:37. > :38:40.is going to be difficult, it's going to take you at least ten years on

:38:41. > :38:45.the British government saying, you know what? You need us as much as we

:38:46. > :38:50.need you, we can do this pronto, pronto. We are beginning to see each

:38:51. > :38:55.side square up to the other. Thank you very much, Norman. Let's bring

:38:56. > :39:01.you the latest from Aleppo. In the past few minutes the Russian news

:39:02. > :39:08.agency has said the evacuation of 5000 Syrian rebels and their family

:39:09. > :39:16.members from eastern Aleppo has begun. In a moment we will speak to

:39:17. > :39:20.our middle east correspondent to get his thoughts. Thank you for your

:39:21. > :39:23.question so far for him. First, this film, that begins with how life used

:39:24. > :40:03.to be in Aleppo. Syria's largest city...

:40:04. > :41:21.The situation inside Aleppo is Doomsday.

:41:22. > :41:26.I might just die now, speaking to you.

:41:27. > :41:33.The situation, now, is getting horrifically intensified.

:41:34. > :41:35.No-one can imagine what happened inside Aleppo

:41:36. > :41:41.We really hope to have a ceasefire soon

:41:42. > :41:47.because most people now who are dying here...

:41:48. > :41:53.They are in Aleppo and they cannot leave.

:41:54. > :41:55.Really, it's catastrophe, the situation.

:41:56. > :42:06.It might be one of the worst, you know,

:42:07. > :42:08.humanitarian situations in the new history.

:42:09. > :42:10.Are you comfortable with continuing to talk to us

:42:11. > :42:19.There is nowhere else that is safe in the whole east.

:42:20. > :42:28.People are being burnt to death and suffocated to death

:42:29. > :42:35.Don't believe any more in the United Nation.

:42:36. > :42:39.Don't believe any more in the international community.

:42:40. > :42:46.Don't think that they are not satisfied with what's going on.

:42:47. > :42:59.That we are facing one of the most difficult...

:43:00. > :43:01.Or the most serious or the most horrible

:43:02. > :43:41.There is an urgent need for humanitarian teams to be deployed

:43:42. > :43:43.and given unfettered access to Aleppo, once government forces

:43:44. > :43:55.We are beginning to learn the price of not intervening.

:43:56. > :43:58.There are other solutions, such as using unmanned drones

:43:59. > :44:04.If we do nothing, if we just stand by and watch, then

:44:05. > :44:07.thousands more people in Syria will die in agony and millions

:44:08. > :44:09.in Britain will live with the shame of our inaction.

:44:10. > :44:12.They would make every effort to shoot down a British plane.

:44:13. > :44:24.The tragedy in Aleppo did not come out of a vacuum.

:44:25. > :44:27.It was created by a vacuum, a vacuum of Western

:44:28. > :44:29.leadership, of American leadership, British leadership.

:44:30. > :46:09.Our Middle East Editor, Jeremy Bowen, is here.

:46:10. > :46:17.If all those people who are trapped in the east of Aleppo get out, what

:46:18. > :46:22.happens next? The plan is they will be put onto buses and be driven, the

:46:23. > :46:31.people who are there now, be driven out and driven to the area around it

:46:32. > :46:39.slip, which is not too far away, held by rebels. -- Idlib. There are

:46:40. > :46:43.precedents for this happening. Elsewhere in Syria they have done

:46:44. > :46:48.that sort of thing. While some people have disappeared along the

:46:49. > :46:52.way, they have not experienced widespread massacres or anything

:46:53. > :46:58.like that. Is this the beginning of the endgame or not? It is not the

:46:59. > :47:01.end of the war. It is a very important milestone in the war. Last

:47:02. > :47:06.year, the rebels were doing much better. There was talk they might

:47:07. > :47:11.try to encircle the regime 's side of the city. If they succeeded, they

:47:12. > :47:15.would have said it was a colossal victory. The boot is on the other

:47:16. > :47:23.foot. It is a colossal victory for the regime and for their backers.

:47:24. > :47:28.The Iranians, and anti-Western coalition as well. That means it is

:47:29. > :47:32.also a defeat for those in Saudi Arabia, the United States, other

:47:33. > :47:37.countries, who have been supporting some of the militias in eastern

:47:38. > :47:42.Aleppo. President Assad is found to you decide he doesn't want to be

:47:43. > :47:46.there. He has been written off. He has been written off so much. There

:47:47. > :47:53.were reports earlier he took refuge on a warship in the Mediterranean,

:47:54. > :47:59.it was so bad now he is doing remarkably well. The view from his

:48:00. > :48:03.palace is incredible. There are reports, not confirmed, he might

:48:04. > :48:07.even go to Aleppo to do a victory speech. It is not the end of the war

:48:08. > :48:13.but may well be the end of talk about regime change was that he will

:48:14. > :48:20.knock him off his perch? Ron asked on e-mail, can someone please

:48:21. > :48:24.explain my ordinary people in East Aleppo are killed by government

:48:25. > :48:31.forces? A number of reasons. It is a war. People get killed. There has

:48:32. > :48:36.also been a very widespread use of very powerful weapons. The Russians

:48:37. > :48:41.and the Syrians deny they target civilians. But the Russians have got

:48:42. > :48:46.weapons which can be much more accurate. The Syrians do not. They

:48:47. > :48:51.use things like barrel bombs. Assad denied that. They are indiscriminate

:48:52. > :48:55.weapons. I know when you put one of those at the back of a helicopter

:48:56. > :48:58.will kill people in the region where it explodes and it doesn't matter

:48:59. > :49:07.whether it is a four-year-old child or 23 fighter. Christopher asked,

:49:08. > :49:21.how much of the blame lies with the rebels? They could have surrendered.

:49:22. > :49:25.We use the term rebel quite loosely. There are different factions. Let's

:49:26. > :49:30.not go into the rest of Syria. Different factions within eastern

:49:31. > :49:36.Aleppo. Some have been trained and armed by Americans. Some of which

:49:37. > :49:40.are Saudis and some of which are jihadists associated with Al-Qaeda.

:49:41. > :49:45.In the last few months, there has been a lot of infighting among them.

:49:46. > :49:50.The more pro-Western ones work in the ascendancy. In recent weeks and

:49:51. > :49:54.months, the jihadists have come out on top. They have been wasting a lot

:49:55. > :49:59.of their energy on fighting each other, rather than them fighting the

:50:00. > :50:04.regime 's side. Could they have stopped? Yes, they could but they

:50:05. > :50:10.say it is a walk and we are fighting for everybody's lives. All of those

:50:11. > :50:15.factions President Assad describes as terrorists. He is very consistent

:50:16. > :50:20.with theirs. He does not say these are good rebels and these are bad

:50:21. > :50:27.rebels he says these are terrorists. The Russians were critically for

:50:28. > :50:32.him, the Russians echo that. So do a lot of Syrians. If you go on the

:50:33. > :50:39.side of the regime or among people who are near the edge, say Western

:50:40. > :50:46.Aleppo, government-held and when the city was split, they did not suffer

:50:47. > :50:51.like on the levels of East. Still they received quite considerable

:50:52. > :50:56.numbers of people being killed or injured. War is a very dirty

:50:57. > :51:02.business. War is always dirty. There are no clean wards. This is

:51:03. > :51:17.particularly MAPI. Justin says we keep hearing reports of genocide. --

:51:18. > :51:22.mucky. How do we know which reports are accurate and which are

:51:23. > :51:26.propaganda? Often I am not satisfied until I see things with my own eyes.

:51:27. > :51:43.I would be in Syria if I had these are but I do not and so I am here.

:51:44. > :51:50.-- a visa. There was a terrible massacre in Srebenica. How did we

:51:51. > :51:56.find about that? Because we found bones, etc. Now we have social

:51:57. > :52:00.media, it is different. My particular take on it is the fact

:52:01. > :52:04.that the Russians are involved in this and they want to show they can

:52:05. > :52:09.manage it. The International Red Cross are there with these convoys.

:52:10. > :52:15.The Syrian Arab red Crescent is also there. These are all witnesses. I

:52:16. > :52:22.would think if they are planning a massacre, what you don't want around

:52:23. > :52:27.our witnesses. Right. On social media from people in eastern Aleppo,

:52:28. > :52:31.they have said bodies are piling up on the streets. There are summary

:52:32. > :52:36.executions. We have not seen images of that on social media. We would

:52:37. > :52:41.not be able to independently verify that. There have been words. If

:52:42. > :52:45.people are doing a massacre, they do not like being photographed and we

:52:46. > :52:49.would not expect to see things like that. You might see dead bodies.

:52:50. > :52:57.There has been a lot of shelling. When you are in a place that has

:52:58. > :52:59.been shelved when you do not want to stick your head onto the streets and

:53:00. > :53:02.start taking pictures. It is frightening. You can see in the

:53:03. > :53:05.pictures in the background, there are loads of people who are leaving

:53:06. > :53:10.who are not fighters. This is over the last few days. Stories would

:53:11. > :53:17.emerge. Also journalists who are there. As soon as I get a Visa, we

:53:18. > :53:22.will also be over it, if we can access. That is a big question in

:53:23. > :53:26.Syria. Trying to find out what really happened. Personally, if you

:53:27. > :53:30.don't know for certain, take everything you hear on social media

:53:31. > :53:37.with a pinch of salt. You have to. People push their own view.

:53:38. > :53:43.Sometimes... The reason why there are journalists around is we try to

:53:44. > :53:50.work our way through all of this. It is difficult and it is complex.

:53:51. > :53:55.Access is everything. Information tends to emerge if things happen.

:53:56. > :54:00.You do not have a visa because President Assad does not want you to

:54:01. > :54:04.have one. It takes a while. My colleague was there. Then another

:54:05. > :54:08.application and unless they want to fast track it, and they never have,

:54:09. > :54:12.it always takes a couple of weeks. Thank you very much.

:54:13. > :54:15.What would you do if your bank started to provide

:54:16. > :54:23.Of course you would not. You would not be so stupid.

:54:24. > :54:30.That's what Luke Brett Moore from New South Wales in Australia did.

:54:31. > :54:33.After a car accident and a break up with his girlfriend,

:54:34. > :54:35.he discovered his bank weren't capping his overdraft.

:54:36. > :54:40.The spending started out small - but he ended up with over

:54:41. > :54:56.Pleasure to be here. You spent six months on remand before being tried

:54:57. > :55:01.for, what was it, theft or fraud. It was obtaining financial advantage by

:55:02. > :55:08.deception. Why did you spend it? Young and foolish, I guess. Not that

:55:09. > :55:12.young. You work in your 20s. Our brains are not fully developed until

:55:13. > :55:18.we are 25. It's sort of just happened. It was an error of

:55:19. > :55:21.judgment. I'm not sure what I find more crazy, the fact that happened

:55:22. > :55:26.to me or the media circus that surrounded it since I have been

:55:27. > :55:34.acquitted. Presumably you are saying to the bank, this credit it is crazy

:55:35. > :55:39.and insane. What are you doing? I never told the bank that. I asked

:55:40. > :55:44.them if they would lend me the money and they did. It was as simple as

:55:45. > :55:49.that really. Sort of a strange experience to go through. That is

:55:50. > :55:55.just the way it happened. What did you spend the money on? All sorts of

:55:56. > :56:01.things. I'd bought cars and went on holidays. Celebrity memorabilia and

:56:02. > :56:06.artworks. You name it, I sort of bought it pretty much. It went on

:56:07. > :56:11.for about to years. Then the police came to my house, raided me, and

:56:12. > :56:17.took everything back I ever owned. I ended up in prison for six months

:56:18. > :56:22.over it. Have you still got that stuff? No, no. Every single thing I

:56:23. > :56:28.ever owned was confiscated by the police. Right. And so you were

:56:29. > :56:33.tried. You were acquitted. How did you react to that? I was never

:56:34. > :56:37.surprised by the fact I was acquitted in the end. It was just a

:56:38. > :56:41.shame it took four years to go through from one call to the other

:56:42. > :56:46.and then the six-month jail time I did before I was eventually

:56:47. > :56:51.acquitted by the Supreme Court here in New South Wales. Why were you not

:56:52. > :56:58.surprised with the acquittal? You had spent the cash. It was not

:56:59. > :57:04.yours. Yes. It came down to a rather complicated area of law, and a law

:57:05. > :57:07.that had never been applied to anyone in Australia before. I was

:57:08. > :57:11.the first person they eventually charged with this offence. By the

:57:12. > :57:15.time it went to the Supreme Court, the judge made the decision that

:57:16. > :57:24.what I did was not a crime and there was no evidence that I had committed

:57:25. > :57:33.a crime. Wow! A lot of people were shocked by the verdict. I was not. I

:57:34. > :57:40.sort of knew the law and educated myself on it and things like that.

:57:41. > :57:45.It was unanimous decision. Three justices in the Supreme Court all

:57:46. > :57:48.ruled my conducted not amount to a criminal offence. There are enough

:57:49. > :57:52.but do you think you did something wrong? That is a matter of opinion.

:57:53. > :57:57.Some people say what I did was really horrible and I should be

:57:58. > :58:02.burned at the stake but other people pat me on the back and give me the

:58:03. > :58:05.thumbs up. Messages from all over the world saying all sorts of

:58:06. > :58:09.different things will stop I am certainly not proud of what I did.

:58:10. > :58:13.I'm not telling my story because I am proud of it. I am just telling it

:58:14. > :58:18.because it is a story that is interesting and needs to be told.

:58:19. > :58:22.Thank you for talking to us. Choose your time. Thank you.

:58:23. > :58:34.I'm starting this new job, I'm taking over a really tough school.

:58:35. > :58:37.Where is it? You're not going down south...?

:58:38. > :58:44.Huddersfield? I know. That's like the dark side of the moon.

:58:45. > :58:46.You do know that this house is haunted?