10/01/2017

:00:00. > :00:08.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:09. > :00:11.This morning, strikes, delays and cancellations.

:00:12. > :00:14.Southern rail commuters tell us their view on the operator

:00:15. > :00:29.I get up early to get the overground or the bus, it takes a lot longer.

:00:30. > :00:31.Today marks the first of six days of strikes

:00:32. > :00:33.by Southern rail this month, so what's the solution?

:00:34. > :00:35.Do get in touch with us throughout the programme.

:00:36. > :00:38.Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why

:00:39. > :00:41.she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband

:00:42. > :00:54.When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets? I wish I had more

:00:55. > :00:56.children. My husband tells me to shut it down. I would have liked to

:00:57. > :01:01.or three more. I love children. And, her film Lion has just received

:01:02. > :01:04.five Bafta nominations, but La La Land, a film

:01:05. > :01:21.about a Hollywood musical, What? Come on! The TV show, the one

:01:22. > :01:26.I was telling you about. Congratulations, that's a credible!

:01:27. > :01:33.I feel like I said negative stuff about it before. It is like Rebel

:01:34. > :01:37.without a cause. I got the bullets! As you'd expect, we'll bring

:01:38. > :01:41.you the latest breaking news Stay tuned for some fascinating

:01:42. > :01:46.footage of chimpanzees which appears to show them developing tools

:01:47. > :01:50.to help them drink water. If you're getting in touch,

:01:51. > :01:55.use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE. Jeremy Corbyn is to explain Labour's

:01:56. > :02:00.approach to Brexit and immigration. In a speech later, he'll say

:02:01. > :02:03.for the first time that he's not "wedded" to the principle of free

:02:04. > :02:07.movement of people, and he'll argue that the UK can't afford to lose

:02:08. > :02:11.full access to the single market, as many British jobs

:02:12. > :02:26.and businesses depend on it. Why the change of heart from Jeremy

:02:27. > :02:32.Corbyn? What we get today is the Jeremy Corbyn reboot, relaunch, at

:02:33. > :02:34.the start of the year, trying to present a different sort of

:02:35. > :02:40.leadership and a different approach to Brexit. He has been out and about

:02:41. > :02:45.this morning, doing a round of media interviews, something which he has

:02:46. > :02:49.been conspicuously avoiding to date, and it has been an attempt to put

:02:50. > :02:55.him on the front foot and on Brexit he says that Brexit could be good

:02:56. > :03:03.for Britain, we could be better off if we left the EU, and on freedom of

:03:04. > :03:07.movement, that issue which he is conspicuously defending to date, he

:03:08. > :03:12.says they are not wedded to it, and there may have to be restrictions as

:03:13. > :03:18.part of the negotiations. And that Labour is open-minded about that.

:03:19. > :03:24.But more than that, from a clear blue sky, he has also announced this

:03:25. > :03:29.morning that he is in favour of a maximum earnings cap. In other

:03:30. > :03:36.words, people can only earn so much money, and that is it. This is his

:03:37. > :03:41.attempt to present himself as the populist leader, willing to take on

:03:42. > :03:45.the wealthy, the establishment, the bankers, saying you can earn so much

:03:46. > :03:49.and no more. This is what he said on Radio 4.

:03:50. > :03:55.We have the worst levels of income disparity of most of the OECD

:03:56. > :04:02.countries in this country. It is getting worse. Corporate taxation is

:04:03. > :04:06.a part of it. If we want to live in a more it at every and society and

:04:07. > :04:11.fund our public services, we cannot go on creating worst levels of

:04:12. > :04:17.inequality. There should be a law to limit income? I think let's look at

:04:18. > :04:25.it. You have got a view on it. Tell us what it is. What I want to see...

:04:26. > :04:31.To get the figure, a law to limit maximum earnings? I would like to

:04:32. > :04:38.see it, I think it would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves

:04:39. > :04:41.up as being a grossly unequal, bargain basement economy on the

:04:42. > :04:46.shores of Europe. We have to be something that is more a gal at

:04:47. > :04:50.every, gives real opportunities to everybody, and properly funds our

:04:51. > :04:55.services. Look at the crisis in the NHS as an example.

:04:56. > :05:04.That is massive. Any reaction so far? I rang one of his press people.

:05:05. > :05:08.I said, what is that? There was a silence on the other end of the

:05:09. > :05:12.phone. She said, I will get back to you. I think Jeremy Corbyn has

:05:13. > :05:19.caught his own party, his own people, off-guard, nobody knew he

:05:20. > :05:23.would stay that. I cannot think of any other Labour politician ever

:05:24. > :05:28.calling for a maximum earnings cap. That says that you can earn so much,

:05:29. > :05:36.and that is it. The state is taking the lot. How would that work? I

:05:37. > :05:38.presume in the City of London, if there was a cap, presumably half the

:05:39. > :05:47.banks, half the bankers would just disappear. It is an extraordinary

:05:48. > :05:50.policy. But maybe his calculation is, never mind the froth in the

:05:51. > :05:54.Westminster village, never mind the outrage, it could be popular, people

:05:55. > :06:01.might think, why should people earn more than ?1 million? Why should

:06:02. > :06:05.there not be a cap? That is what he is trying to do, to present himself,

:06:06. > :06:10.like Donald Trump, of the anti-establishment politician, the

:06:11. > :06:15.person prepared to tell it as it is, even if, within the Westminster

:06:16. > :06:20.village, it seemed like an extraordinary idea.

:06:21. > :06:25.More reaction to come. Wherever you are, let me know. Would you back a

:06:26. > :06:33.maximum earnings cap? What would be cap the? A million? Half a million?

:06:34. > :06:36.Is it popular with you? We will talk to some Labour MPs later, we will

:06:37. > :06:39.feed your thoughts into that conversation. You can e-mail us or

:06:40. > :06:41.send me a tweet. Joanna is in the BBC

:06:42. > :06:44.Newsroom with a summary Commuters on Southern rail

:06:45. > :06:48.are facing the first of three days of strikes by train

:06:49. > :06:50.drivers this week. The dispute about the role

:06:51. > :06:52.of the guard on trains has been It is a dispute which has been

:06:53. > :06:59.crippling London's train You have to get up early to go

:07:00. > :07:16.underground or get a bus. I am abandoning going

:07:17. > :07:19.into town tomorrow. We will see how things

:07:20. > :07:22.go later in the week. I have managed to get a train

:07:23. > :07:25.but it is not good at all. It seems talks between the two

:07:26. > :07:29.sides have turned nasty. The tactics they have used

:07:30. > :07:31.have been malicious. At best they have been dishonest,

:07:32. > :07:34.disingenuous, deceitful, Our reality is that we are now

:07:35. > :07:40.experiencing a new type of industrial relations

:07:41. > :07:43.in our industry that we have It's a row over the role

:07:44. > :07:46.of the on-board guard. Southern wants drivers to take over

:07:47. > :07:49.the safety-critical job But the union says

:07:50. > :07:55.the guard should do it. A report by the regulator says

:07:56. > :07:58.Southern's plans were safe as long as they provided the right

:07:59. > :08:01.equipment and training. All of the 2,000-plus

:08:02. > :08:04.services in the company will be cancelled today,

:08:05. > :08:07.tomorrow and Friday. There'll be huge disruption

:08:08. > :08:10.on Thursday too because the trains And that's on top of an overtime ban

:08:11. > :08:18.which is cutting services daily. Another three-day strike

:08:19. > :08:21.is planned later this month. The issue of driver-controlled

:08:22. > :08:24.trains is affecting Southern today, but it could easily spread to other

:08:25. > :08:32.franchises through Britain. Our correspondent Duncan Kennedy

:08:33. > :08:48.is at Horsham station in West Sussex How are things their? Terrible, as

:08:49. > :08:53.right across the region, Kent, Sussex, Surrey and parts of

:08:54. > :08:57.Hampshire, 300,000 travel journeys should be made today, it is zero at

:08:58. > :09:01.the moment. Normally we would have five or 10,000 commuters coming

:09:02. > :09:06.through here in the rush hour. I will show you what is going on

:09:07. > :09:10.inside. A completely empty concourse. It is like that across

:09:11. > :09:17.all the stations on Southern railways. The different from last

:09:18. > :09:20.month's strikes, Southern and National Express are putting on

:09:21. > :09:25.coaches and buses to get a few people around, but it is very

:09:26. > :09:30.patchy, only 200 buses. Just to get people a few miles down the track.

:09:31. > :09:36.To recap, it is all about who opened the doors. Is it these drivers? They

:09:37. > :09:41.say it should not be them. It is just not safe for them to do so.

:09:42. > :09:47.They say it should be the guard. But Southern say it is proven that it is

:09:48. > :09:51.OK for the drivers to do it, there is a lot of evidence to say it is

:09:52. > :09:54.safe, and that the guards can be better used on the train, looking

:09:55. > :10:00.after passengers. I cannot come together. No talks planned. Onwards

:10:01. > :10:03.and upwards for the misery for these tens of thousands of commuters.

:10:04. > :10:05.And in a few minutes' time Victoria will be talking to commuters

:10:06. > :10:07.who use the service, both supporting and against

:10:08. > :10:10.the strikes, about how the dispute can be resolved.

:10:11. > :10:12.A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police

:10:13. > :10:15.in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

:10:16. > :10:18.The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries

:10:19. > :10:21.in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.

:10:22. > :10:24.She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

:10:25. > :10:28.The teenager remains in police custody.

:10:29. > :10:30.The British and Irish Governments say they're going to work

:10:31. > :10:33.to try to find a solution to the most-serious political crisis

:10:34. > :10:38.Yesterday, the Deputy First Minister, Sinn Fein's Martin

:10:39. > :10:43.It came after weeks of tension between his party and its partners

:10:44. > :10:46.in the power-sharing Government, the Democratic Unionists.

:10:47. > :10:49.Northern Ireland Secretary James Brokenshire is expected to make

:10:50. > :10:55.Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,

:10:56. > :10:58.says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal

:10:59. > :11:03.The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior

:11:04. > :11:06.Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK

:11:07. > :11:12.Barack Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back

:11:13. > :11:18.Concerns have been raised about the care of transgender

:11:19. > :11:21.prisoners, following four deaths in just over a year at jails

:11:22. > :11:26.A report from the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman says prison

:11:27. > :11:29.staff and managers need to be more proactive and flexible in the way

:11:30. > :11:31.they deal with inmates who've changed their birth gender,

:11:32. > :11:42.The Ministry of Justice says it has revised its guidance so prisoners

:11:43. > :11:48.are dealt with according to the gender they identify with.

:11:49. > :11:50.Drivers caught offending on so-called "smart motorways"

:11:51. > :11:52.could be offered re-education lessons by the police.

:11:53. > :11:55.Smart motorways operate variable speed limits and can open the hard

:11:56. > :11:58.But the national police lead for roads says many motorists

:11:59. > :12:00.are becoming confused about when they're allowed to drive

:12:01. > :12:04.Figures obtained by the BBC suggest an 18% rise in the number of people

:12:05. > :12:07.caught using the hard shoulder illegally over the last two years.

:12:08. > :12:10.The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up

:12:11. > :12:12.a new international headquarters in the UK.

:12:13. > :12:14.Snap Inc currently has 75 staff at its office in London

:12:15. > :12:19.It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place

:12:20. > :12:23.The move is seen as a positive in the technology sector,

:12:24. > :12:27.as the likes of Facebook and Google have based themselves in Ireland,

:12:28. > :12:33.The Hollywood musical La La Land leads nominations

:12:34. > :12:37.for this year's Baftas, with 11 nods, including Best Film.

:12:38. > :12:39.Its stars Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone are also up

:12:40. > :12:42.for Best Actor and Actress, just a day after winning

:12:43. > :12:47.British actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also

:12:48. > :12:52.nominated, as is British state-welfare drama I, Daniel Blake.

:12:53. > :12:56.The ceremony takes place on February 12th in London.

:12:57. > :13:03.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am.

:13:04. > :13:11.We are hoping to talk to Ken Loach in the next hour. We will also talk

:13:12. > :13:17.to the chair of BAFTA. And we have an exclusive interview with Nicole

:13:18. > :13:20.Kidman, her film has been nominated for five awards, including herself

:13:21. > :13:22.for best supporting actress. To get in touch.

:13:23. > :13:27.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:13:28. > :13:36.Jackie says, it is about time the RMT and Aslef will help to account

:13:37. > :13:45.for the radical restriction -- disruption for the passages. They

:13:46. > :13:48.would then think again before calling strike action. We will talk

:13:49. > :13:54.to commuters and people with a point of view on this latest strike

:13:55. > :13:57.action. We will talk to them in the next five minutes or so.

:13:58. > :13:58.Let's get some sport now with Jessica.

:13:59. > :14:01.Fifa are voting on whether to expand the number of teams

:14:02. > :14:06.Yes, it looks as though it will be voted in by football's world

:14:07. > :14:13.So, from 2026, there'll be a bigger World Cup.

:14:14. > :14:16.Some have raised their eyebrows, though.

:14:17. > :14:18.There are concerns about whether this will dilute

:14:19. > :14:22.The chief exec of the FA Martin Glenn says they'd prefer

:14:23. > :14:28.Germany, who won the World Cup in 2014, have said that it

:14:29. > :14:32.could create a greater imbalance between teams.

:14:33. > :14:35.There's also questions about increased revenue.

:14:36. > :14:37.From their own research, Fifa say they'll potentially make

:14:38. > :14:42.an extra ?520 million from this expansion, how much has that

:14:43. > :14:47.This isn't lost on Fifa president Gianni Infantino,

:14:48. > :14:51.who's acknowledged the financial benefits of the expansion,

:14:52. > :14:54.but he insists that football needs to be more inclusive,

:14:55. > :14:57.and this will develop football around the world.

:14:58. > :15:00.Indeed, for smaller nations it could lead to the incredible

:15:01. > :15:02.scenes we witnessed at the European

:15:03. > :15:06.The likes of Wales, who went on a run all the way

:15:07. > :15:17.And Iceland, a nation of just over 300,000,

:15:18. > :15:20.beating England on their way to the quarter-finals.

:15:21. > :15:24.That's exactly what an expansion could provide, the chance to dream.

:15:25. > :15:27.Particularly for African and Asian countries,

:15:28. > :15:40.who are expected to get the bulk of the 16 extra places.

:15:41. > :15:46.Let me ask you about cycling's governing body because they have

:15:47. > :15:50.given athletes seven weeks to prepare for the schooling World

:15:51. > :15:56.Championships? Just under two months for a World Championships. It gets

:15:57. > :16:04.underway on 2nd March in Los Angeles and it is the second time they will

:16:05. > :16:10.be held in the season following a Paralympics. The president of the

:16:11. > :16:15.governing body says the move signifies notable progress and

:16:16. > :16:19.believes it will enrich the para-cycling calendar as the UCI

:16:20. > :16:28.plan on organising this event every year, but a strong reaction from

:16:29. > :16:36.British para cyclist, Yeoedy Cundy. He wrote on Twitter, "Why do the UCI

:16:37. > :16:40.think it is acceptable to give seven weeks official notice of a

:16:41. > :16:52.championships?" Are they expecting anyone to turn up.

:16:53. > :16:59.Strong reaction there, Victoria. I will have more at 10am. Thank you

:17:00. > :17:04.very much, Jess. Jess will be back later. This is the reaction from you

:17:05. > :17:08.to the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, suggestion on the radio this morning

:17:09. > :17:16.of a maximum salary cap, legislation to introduce a maximum salary. Puck

:17:17. > :17:22.e-mails, "We, I would support the introduction of a maximum limit of

:17:23. > :17:26.say ?1 million. Another viewer tweets, "Hearing Jeremy Corbyn's

:17:27. > :17:31.new-found views on Brexit, I was worried he had become voteable and

:17:32. > :17:40.then I heard about his maximum earnings cap." Another viewer says,

:17:41. > :17:44."Just tax accordingly." A another tweet says, "It is a great idea."

:17:45. > :17:48.More reaction to come on the programme as you would expect.

:17:49. > :17:50.Another day of strike action is affecting hundreds

:17:51. > :17:54.Today it's the turn of Southern Rail to strike again.

:17:55. > :17:56.Drivers belonging to the ASLEF union have begun their first

:17:57. > :17:58.of six day-long stoppages planned for January.

:17:59. > :18:01.It follows previous strikes in the run up to Christmas.

:18:02. > :18:06.Only 16 trains will run today instead of the usual 2,242.

:18:07. > :18:09.They're striking in a row over who should push the button to open

:18:10. > :18:13.and close the train doors - drivers or guards.

:18:14. > :18:15.Separately, British Airways cabin crew are also striking

:18:16. > :18:17.today in a row over pay, although BA say the effects

:18:18. > :18:22.So this morning, if you're a commuter affected by the latest

:18:23. > :18:31.Or is it time for tougher legislation to make it harder

:18:32. > :18:40.With us a group of Southern Rail commuters who say they're

:18:41. > :18:42.constantly met with delays, cancellations and

:18:43. > :18:51.Becky Wright is the Director of Unions21 who feels

:18:52. > :18:54.strike legislation is more than robust enough and Conservative

:18:55. > :18:57.MP for Havant, Alan Mak who feels there is room to strengthen the law

:18:58. > :19:09.Welcome all of you. I want to hear your commuter stories first of all.

:19:10. > :19:15.Why don't you begin, Alison. Good morning. I travel in from Crawley

:19:16. > :19:22.into Victoria and then up to Green Park. I work just opposite the Ritz.

:19:23. > :19:27.Southern, it was a nightmare before the strikes. Now, it's just

:19:28. > :19:33.fundamentally worse. I'm quite fortunate in the fact that I work

:19:34. > :19:39.for a company that is very understanding and accommodating so

:19:40. > :19:42.at the moment, you know, they are quite understand the problems that

:19:43. > :19:47.we face, but how much longer that will be the case? My job is in

:19:48. > :19:51.London. So, you know, there is only so much they will accommodate before

:19:52. > :19:55.they will start kind of thinking well, maybe we should consider...

:19:56. > :19:59.Find someone who lives nearer or doesn't have to use Southern Rail to

:20:00. > :20:07.get to work. Emma, what about your experience? Mine is different. I

:20:08. > :20:15.travel south into Victoria, all into London Bridge and I'm freelance and

:20:16. > :20:18.I teach ballet. I have to be there. The doors open for students and they

:20:19. > :20:22.need to be able to access. There is a priority to get there and I have

:20:23. > :20:25.family at home. I have a five-year-old and a seven-year-old.

:20:26. > :20:31.What I'm upset with the fact that this is affecting them. In what way?

:20:32. > :20:35.They are noticing my absence. Normally I would leave briefly

:20:36. > :20:38.before they go to school and I'm back afterwards, that precious time

:20:39. > :20:42.that you have with them in the morning and the evening is getting

:20:43. > :20:47.shorter and shorter and they are starting to get upset. That's

:20:48. > :20:50.because you're late back? Yes, I get in and they are already ready for

:20:51. > :20:54.bed and we've lost that time together and I worry, I have to pay

:20:55. > :20:59.for so many taxis just to ensure that I'll get to their show or a

:21:00. > :21:04.parents evening and for my work, because I'm freelance, if I'm not

:21:05. > :21:07.there then they will hire somebody else next time and I'm paying out to

:21:08. > :21:14.make sure I get there. Absolutely. So it is a catch 22. I come in from

:21:15. > :21:18.East Croydon. The reason I moved there because the journey to

:21:19. > :21:23.Victoria should take 16 minutes, but my journey is taking an hour and 20

:21:24. > :21:26.or an hour-and-a-half. It is not necessarily the cancelled trains or

:21:27. > :21:30.the delays that are the problem, it is the fact that if one train gets

:21:31. > :21:35.cancelled you have got a platform of thousands of people so you're having

:21:36. > :21:40.to let two or three go because of overcrowding. I work somewhere

:21:41. > :21:43.that's flexible, buttant don't know how much longer the flexibility will

:21:44. > :21:48.last really. People are cross about the disruption. And perhaps, think

:21:49. > :21:52.maybe the strike legislation should be toughened even further. The

:21:53. > :21:58.Conservatives have already raised the threshold when it comes to

:21:59. > :22:02.public sector industrial ballots. What's your view on that? I think we

:22:03. > :22:06.have some of the toughest legislation in any kind of western

:22:07. > :22:10.democracy. We're not France, we can't just decide one moment we're

:22:11. > :22:15.going to walk out. There was a lengthy legislative procedure before

:22:16. > :22:21.the Government decided to enact the Trade Union Bill. It costs money. No

:22:22. > :22:26.union goes into, no workers go into a strike without due consideration

:22:27. > :22:30.because it takes a lot of effort, it takes people's pay. It affects

:22:31. > :22:34.customers. It affects passengers. And so if you're going to go through

:22:35. > :22:38.this process, there has to be a really good reason why that happens

:22:39. > :22:41.and because we already have strong legislation, we had strong

:22:42. > :22:45.legislation before, I don't see the need for us to continue to change.

:22:46. > :22:50.As a Conservative MP, is the legislation strong enough? Do you

:22:51. > :22:55.look at this ongoing strike action and think maybe there is more we can

:22:56. > :22:59.do? The strikes are causing massive disruption to people's working lives

:23:00. > :23:03.and their family lives. The priority is to get the unions to call off the

:23:04. > :23:07.strikes and get people back to work and to their families and then we

:23:08. > :23:10.will look at how we can protect the infrastructure and accept the trains

:23:11. > :23:15.are safe. No one is losing their jobs. No one is taking a pay cut and

:23:16. > :23:20.get our trains running again. I mean there is a big dispute over whether

:23:21. > :23:24.a train is safer if a driver, using big mirrors, can actually see

:23:25. > :23:27.properly down a very long platform, sometimes with ten or 11 carriages,

:23:28. > :23:30.whether he or she is in the right position to be able to close the

:23:31. > :23:34.doors and know that customers are safe? Yeah, well safety is very

:23:35. > :23:37.important and the independent Office of Rail Regulation has said on

:23:38. > :23:41.Thursday that it is safe. It is not just mirrors, it is using CCTV so

:23:42. > :23:44.they can see the whole length of the train. We can make sure that the

:23:45. > :23:47.driver is seeing the length of the train. It is common sense. If

:23:48. > :23:50.someone is stuck in the doors or there is a problem, the driver can

:23:51. > :23:54.stop the train and do something about it, the conductors can't do

:23:55. > :23:58.anything about it. What we want is the driver to take control of the

:23:59. > :24:02.safety... The point is the conductor would be on the platform and would

:24:03. > :24:06.have a perfect view of whether anybody is trying to get on at the

:24:07. > :24:09.last minute? The independent regulator made sure it is safe. The

:24:10. > :24:12.driver has a good view and where there is recommendations for

:24:13. > :24:14.lighting at stations we have asked the operator to make sure that's

:24:15. > :24:17.implemented. What is important is the driver has control of the train

:24:18. > :24:21.and if there are any problems they can stop it. The on board

:24:22. > :24:24.supervisor, the guard, can help passengers with luggage and journey

:24:25. > :24:27.times and travel with tickets and all that stuff, really Passenger

:24:28. > :24:32.Focussed. No one is losing their job. No one is getting a pay cut and

:24:33. > :24:36.it is safe. It is really unsafe, isn't it? There is a new form of

:24:37. > :24:40.train rage out there and I have seen, there was an 11-year-old boy

:24:41. > :24:44.trying to get to school and he couldn't get on. Everyone is out for

:24:45. > :24:48.themselves because nobody wants to lose their job because you can hear

:24:49. > :24:52.the desperateness in people's voice. It is no longer please move down. It

:24:53. > :24:56.is, "Please let me get on the train." This poor lad is running up

:24:57. > :25:00.and down and he probably only needed to go two stops. He knew his journey

:25:01. > :25:05.and he is there by himself. It is not safe.

:25:06. > :25:07.If that kid was actually stuck in the door, the conductor can't do

:25:08. > :25:10.anything about it and the train could drive. Under the new system,

:25:11. > :25:17.the driver can see that kid, stop the train and sort out the problem.

:25:18. > :25:22.That's why it is safe. As someone who uses the trains all the time

:25:23. > :25:27.with young kids, if I'm at the end of the train, how long does it take

:25:28. > :25:33.the train driver to do that and the disruption... He could stop the

:25:34. > :25:38.doors closing. Nick says, "I am a train driver. There can be no doubt

:25:39. > :25:42.that 12 carriage driver-only operated trains are not safe. I fear

:25:43. > :25:47.the day people die at my hands because I have to carry out other

:25:48. > :25:52.duties so as to not go to prison for manslaughter and on that day, I

:25:53. > :25:56.shall be wishing that we had a guard on every single train whether one or

:25:57. > :26:04.12 carriages. The Government's stance is an outrage and they hide

:26:05. > :26:07.behind Govia. The fact that they do that is disgusting. We should be

:26:08. > :26:15.supporting railways when the time of modernising is a lie. The on board

:26:16. > :26:18.supervisors will be likely made redundant in 2021." The guards are

:26:19. > :26:21.dealing with passengers and the driver takes control of safety. We

:26:22. > :26:24.have to remember the trains are operating on 30% of trains across

:26:25. > :26:31.the whole of the k and they have been used in the UK for the last 30

:26:32. > :26:36.years. They are on the Underground and the Thames Docklands Light

:26:37. > :26:41.Railway. I trust the views of a train driver, somebody who does the

:26:42. > :26:45.job every day. There is an element of theory and practise and I think

:26:46. > :26:51.comparing the Tube trains with something like Southern Rail or even

:26:52. > :26:55.comparing it with Virgin East Coast is like comparing apples and

:26:56. > :26:59.oranges. Yes, they are all fruit, but different trains and there are

:27:00. > :27:03.different ways of doing things. You can't do that. Martin has just

:27:04. > :27:06.arrived. He is another commuter. Hi Martin, welcome. Better late than

:27:07. > :27:10.neverment thank you for making the effort. There is a lot of traffic on

:27:11. > :27:14.the road. I understand there is a rail strike! Tell our audience where

:27:15. > :27:22.you stand on the strike as a commuter? I live in west Sussex. My

:27:23. > :27:26.line is Southern cap rail. I am self-employed so I can choose. I'm

:27:27. > :27:30.not risk my job, but I'm certainly missing a lot of appointments. Do

:27:31. > :27:40.you back the strikes? I do. Do you? Yes. When I used to work in Local

:27:41. > :27:44.Government we had a customer focus policy and the point was you didn't

:27:45. > :27:49.think what the customer might want. You actually found out what the

:27:50. > :27:54.customer might want and what I want from trains is reliability and

:27:55. > :27:58.safety. And I want my train driver to drive the train. I don't want him

:27:59. > :28:02.worrying about what's going on 12 coaches behind. Let's ask all of you

:28:03. > :28:05.that. First of all, do you back the strikes? I do back them. I

:28:06. > :28:10.understand why they're doing it, but it has been going on, I haven't got

:28:11. > :28:17.on a train on time since last Christmas. Christmas 2015? You're

:28:18. > :28:22.kidding me. I live only eight miles outside of London. That's to do with

:28:23. > :28:26.Southern... That's general. I agree with the safety end of it. You

:28:27. > :28:35.Alison? The safety aspect, yes. What about the strike? I'm 50/50. I used

:28:36. > :28:39.to, I was 100% behind the strike and I understood the reasons for it.

:28:40. > :28:44.Now, being a commuter and being at the kind of front end of that, on a

:28:45. > :28:47.daily basis, and knowing that some days my journey, I can stand at

:28:48. > :28:52.Victoria and just think oh my god how am I going to get home? Because

:28:53. > :28:55.there are no trains because they've cancelled god knows how many

:28:56. > :29:00.beforehand. There are thousands of people trying to get on to one train

:29:01. > :29:06.and it is dangerous. Now, when you talk about safety, that for me, is a

:29:07. > :29:08.major concern that the strikes are causing huge safety issues on

:29:09. > :29:12.platforms. That's really interesting. Emma, do you back the

:29:13. > :29:16.strikes? No. I just think there should be another way. So now, let's

:29:17. > :29:22.try and come up with a solution. Clearly, we're not going to achieve

:29:23. > :29:25.that in two or three minutes on national television continue o

:29:26. > :29:28.Tuesday morning, but let's have a goment you said we need to get the

:29:29. > :29:32.two sides around the table. Clearly, everybody knows that. What else

:29:33. > :29:37.needs to happen? Well, we need to get them around the table. Yes. Yes.

:29:38. > :29:40.Yes. But for the unions to accept that the trains are safe and their

:29:41. > :29:48.members are working in a highly paid environment. Is that not an

:29:49. > :29:53.adversarial way to go about it? That's why we are not proposing to

:29:54. > :29:57.change the strike laws and trying to get Alison and Emma and Martin and

:29:58. > :30:00.other colleagues back to work. Negotiations don't work like that in

:30:01. > :30:05.the real world. The two sides don't come together and say, "I'm giving

:30:06. > :30:08.in." That's how negotiations work. We have had negotiations... No, it

:30:09. > :30:21.is about compromise, isn't it? That is not how a relationship

:30:22. > :30:25.works. People come together, they try to find common ground. Sometimes

:30:26. > :30:32.they disagree, sometimes they agree. What would you suggest? There has

:30:33. > :30:35.got to be a third way somewhere. The obvious thing is people, round the

:30:36. > :30:43.table and converts and listen more than talk. But in the end, there

:30:44. > :30:47.needs to be a third suggestion. Something that does a bit for both

:30:48. > :30:53.sides, so that neither gives away totally, but they both give a

:30:54. > :30:58.little. What might that be? I have just got out of a traffic jam! You

:30:59. > :31:04.have done very well. They could trial it on quieter services, to get

:31:05. > :31:08.the drivers who backing. If they drove on a quieter service and they

:31:09. > :31:12.were still scared and did not feel they had the safety of the train,

:31:13. > :31:17.pull it, but if they could give it a go, just to see if there was a happy

:31:18. > :31:22.ground... Could they keep the guard on the 12 carriage train in rush

:31:23. > :31:29.hour? In the middle of the day, there is often not 12 carriages,

:31:30. > :31:35.very often four, you do not need it on four, surely. I would go with

:31:36. > :31:39.that as well, I would be happy to see them trial it on quieter

:31:40. > :31:51.services, not at peak rush-hour. I went to the BBC debate in East

:31:52. > :32:05.Grinstead on Sunday. I watched the CEO of Govia and the RMT die. 'S the

:32:06. > :32:10.RMT guy. There is a lot of trust that has gone between those two.

:32:11. > :32:14.There needs to be a relationship, and they need to be able to trust

:32:15. > :32:19.each other to compromise, and at the moment they are poles apart. Let me

:32:20. > :32:23.read some more comment. Ethan says, keep the guard, who else will keep

:32:24. > :32:28.the drunks at bay when you are travelling with your young children?

:32:29. > :32:32.Michael says, it is unclear, what do both sides want? Every report you

:32:33. > :32:38.run gives a different view from both sides, and your reporters. Duncan

:32:39. > :32:42.Kennedy says there will be two people on the train, but why is that

:32:43. > :32:45.not acceptable? Why can't the second person work the doors, as is

:32:46. > :32:53.currently the situation? I am confused. Thank you. Good luck.

:32:54. > :32:56.Still to come, in the past hour, the nominations for this year's

:32:57. > :33:04.Andrew Garfield and Emily Blunt are up for Best Acting awards,

:33:05. > :33:10.as are the stars of La La Land, Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone.

:33:11. > :33:13.Nicole Kidman has just been nominated for a Best Supporting

:33:14. > :33:15.Actress Bafta for her role in the film Lion.

:33:16. > :33:20.We speak to her about her film and a range of other topics.

:33:21. > :33:25.She says she wants more children, even though she is 49.

:33:26. > :33:29.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:33:30. > :33:35.Jeremy Corbyn has good size of the gap between high income earners and

:33:36. > :33:36.the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce a more

:33:37. > :33:45.eager let Aryan society. Speaking to BBC Radio

:33:46. > :33:48.4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought

:33:49. > :33:51.introducing the limit would be There should be a law

:33:52. > :34:03.to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

:34:04. > :34:10.to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

:34:11. > :34:14.would be a fairer thing to do. Commuters on Southern rail

:34:15. > :34:17.are facing the first of three days of strikes by train

:34:18. > :34:18.drivers this week. It's the latest industrial action

:34:19. > :34:21.in the dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,

:34:22. > :34:24.which has been going Drivers will walk out today,

:34:25. > :34:27.tomorrow and on Friday. Southern has urged the Aslef

:34:28. > :34:36.union to get back around A 15-year-old girl is being

:34:37. > :34:40.questioned by police in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

:34:41. > :34:44.The younger girl had life-threatening injuries is today

:34:45. > :34:48.afternoon. She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

:34:49. > :34:50.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

:34:51. > :34:55.It looks as though we'll be seeing more teams involved

:34:56. > :35:00.Fifa are expected to agree plans later to expand the finals

:35:01. > :35:06.from 32 teams to 48 teams, starting from the 2026 World Cup.

:35:07. > :35:10.There'd be 16 groups of three, and then a straight knockout stage.

:35:11. > :35:14.Claudio Ranieri has won Fifa's first Coach of the Year award.

:35:15. > :35:17.The Leicester City manager was in Zurich to pick up the title,

:35:18. > :35:20.recognition of his achievement in leading the 5,000-1 shots

:35:21. > :35:24.to the Premier League title last season.

:35:25. > :35:27.Championship side Leeds United came from behind to beat

:35:28. > :35:29.League Two Cambridge United to reach the fourth round of

:35:30. > :35:35.They'll go to either non-league Sutton United or AFC Wimbledon next.

:35:36. > :35:37.League Two Wycombe have a dream tie away

:35:38. > :35:43.And, Johanna Konta's preparations for the Australian Open

:35:44. > :35:47.The British number one has reached the third

:35:48. > :35:50.round of the Sydney International with a comfortable straight-sets win

:35:51. > :36:03.This morning, in an exclusive interview with this programme,

:36:04. > :36:06.Nicole Kidman tells this programme she'd like more kids

:36:07. > :36:08.at the age of 49, but her husband won't let her.

:36:09. > :36:11.She's just been nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Bafta

:36:12. > :36:14.for her role in the film Lion, which tells the true story

:36:15. > :36:17.of a young boy who gets lost in India and ends up being adopted

:36:18. > :36:20.The film also gets four other nominations.

:36:21. > :36:23.In a wide-ranging interview, Nicole Kidman also talks

:36:24. > :36:27.about ageism and US President-elect Donald Trump.

:36:28. > :36:30.But we start by talking about her film.

:36:31. > :36:57.It is a true story, which I think is always important to say,

:36:58. > :37:04.because it's about an Indian boy who gets lost in India

:37:05. > :37:10.from his mother and his brother, and then it's about an Australian

:37:11. > :37:16.family who adopts him and his journey, which is extraordinary,

:37:17. > :37:22.to then finding his biological mother back in India.

:37:23. > :37:31.How every day my real brother screams my name?

:37:32. > :37:34.I always thought that I could keep this family together.

:37:35. > :37:38.What if you do find home and they are not even there?

:37:39. > :37:43.It's deeply emotional, as people will tell you,

:37:44. > :37:49.as you know, but it's also really uplifting, because what he does

:37:50. > :37:54.and what he overcomes and what even Sue, the character I play,

:37:55. > :37:58.does, through sheer determination, all of the stories are about

:37:59. > :38:23.It shows you some of the truths of adoption.

:38:24. > :38:25.But it also shows you the strength of good parenting.

:38:26. > :38:28.And it shows you that when you really set your sights

:38:29. > :38:29.on something, you can sometimes overcome enormous odds

:38:30. > :38:33.And you spent time with the real Sue Brierley, didn't you?

:38:34. > :38:36.How important was that in playing her?

:38:37. > :38:40.I mean, I just said to Garth Davis, who is the director, I said,

:38:41. > :38:44.when he asked me to play the role and she wanted me to play her,

:38:45. > :38:46.I said, "Would she be open to me meeting her?"

:38:47. > :38:50.And he went, "No, she wants to meet you and share her story."

:38:51. > :38:54.First of all, I sent a friend of mine who'd

:38:55. > :38:57.interviewed her for two days, because I didn't want her to feel

:38:58. > :39:01.too strange with me asking a load of questions,

:39:02. > :39:07.And then she came to Sydney and sat in my apartment

:39:08. > :39:09.and we just kind of went, "Phew."

:39:10. > :39:14.She's deeply maternal, as you can see in the film,

:39:15. > :39:23.and I'm deeply maternal, too, so I think we come together.

:39:24. > :39:27.As I understand it, she wanted you to play her.

:39:28. > :39:31.Presumably because you have four children, two of whom are adopted?

:39:32. > :39:35.Yeah, and also I think being Australian, you know,

:39:36. > :39:44.She sort of knew me in a much deeper way than probably people

:39:45. > :39:50.And I think she just felt close to me, which is a very unusual

:39:51. > :39:53.thing, and it's unusual when you meet the person you're

:39:54. > :39:57.playing and you do have that sort of connection when you go,

:39:58. > :40:03."Gosh, I want you to stay in my life for as long as you're willing."

:40:04. > :40:06.I think what's really clear from the film for anybody

:40:07. > :40:10.who didn't realise it already, is that an adoptive mother's love

:40:11. > :40:15.for a child and a birth mother's love for that same child

:40:16. > :40:25.And I think when it's shown in a film with such warmth

:40:26. > :40:30.and openness and compassion, I think that's a beautiful

:40:31. > :40:38.Probably because I'm so connected to it.

:40:39. > :40:43.And I think it's so succinctly put by the writer, Luke Davies,

:40:44. > :40:46.when she holds his face in the film when he's about to go

:40:47. > :40:52.And Sue, my character, says, "I just can't wait for her to see

:40:53. > :40:57.And she sends him on his way with that, which is the truth.

:40:58. > :41:01.She wanted his biological mother to know she'd kept him safe.

:41:02. > :41:06.That he was a beautiful human being, and here he is,

:41:07. > :41:16.You describe the film as they love letter to Bella and Connor,

:41:17. > :41:24.It's a love letter in terms of me as a mother to my children,

:41:25. > :41:28.but then to other mothers and children, too, because it's

:41:29. > :41:32.meant to connect on that level, because it's rare that we get

:41:33. > :41:38.The unconditional love, that no matter where you go,

:41:39. > :41:42.what you do, what your journey is, I'm always here, come,

:41:43. > :41:47.You have two younger ones and two older ones in their 20s.

:41:48. > :41:50.As young adults, how proud are you of the way

:41:51. > :42:04.I find it attached to success or ego or anything.

:42:05. > :42:13.Because I think the loveliest thing you can say to a child is,

:42:14. > :42:18."I'm just happy you're in the world."

:42:19. > :42:20."Because you're in the world, I'm happy."

:42:21. > :42:27.When I look at some of your other films,

:42:28. > :42:29.Dead Calm, Moulin Rouge, The Hours, and the countless

:42:30. > :42:34.awards you have won, you still say you don't think you've

:42:35. > :42:43.I mean the word great, you know, I'm talking

:42:44. > :42:47.about the performances that are up here.

:42:48. > :42:50.I think I've given really good performances.

:42:51. > :42:53.I still don't think I've given my best performance,

:42:54. > :42:58.But do you think you've got that in you, it still to come?

:42:59. > :43:02.I think I've got an enormous amount still to say and do and be.

:43:03. > :43:05.Which is a wonderful thing at my age, to still feel that.

:43:06. > :43:09.Because I think sometimes that wanes as you get older

:43:10. > :43:21.I read something recently that Isabel Huppert had said.

:43:22. > :43:24.Where she said, "I'm an actress in my fingernails, in my toes."

:43:25. > :43:31.Do you think Hollywood has got a problem with decent roles

:43:32. > :43:39.Female actors in their 40s and upwards?

:43:40. > :43:41.I mean, that's such a loaded question.

:43:42. > :43:47.Probably not, but now there is so much more available

:43:48. > :43:54.to us in terms of globally - working in TV, working in film.

:43:55. > :43:58.I think we are in a position where we can create our own shows.

:43:59. > :44:00.I just did that with Reese Witherspoon, where we have

:44:01. > :44:03.done a show called Big Little Lies and five of the roles

:44:04. > :44:06.are for women and three of them are for women over 40.

:44:07. > :44:10.I'm in a very fortunate position where I have really

:44:11. > :44:16.interesting directors offering me different things.

:44:17. > :44:19.But, you know, our job now as females in this industry

:44:20. > :44:21.is to push through and try to blur those boundaries.

:44:22. > :44:25.We've got incredible trailblazers in terms of Huppert and Meryl Streep

:44:26. > :44:29.and Sarandon and Jessica Lange and all of these women who...

:44:30. > :44:35.All of these women who, before us, have carved paths that

:44:36. > :44:39.are defying the norm, from what it was, say, 30 years ago.

:44:40. > :44:51.You said, "We need to create more opportunities, it is not

:44:52. > :44:54.But from what you've said, you haven't experienced

:44:55. > :45:00.I think I'm in the position now where it's kind

:45:01. > :45:03.And there are so many more roles available,

:45:04. > :45:07.partly because of the way in which the industry's

:45:08. > :45:13.We have HBO and Netflix and Amazon and all of these mediums that

:45:14. > :45:16.are now very different to just going to the theatre

:45:17. > :45:23.Later in the programme we'll bring you the second

:45:24. > :45:25.part of that interview, where she talks about her desire

:45:26. > :45:28.for more babies, aged 49, the secret to her successful

:45:29. > :45:30.marriage and why she thinks America should be getting

:45:31. > :45:34.And Lion, which has just received five Bafta nominations,

:45:35. > :45:42.Other Bafta nominees include British stars Andrew Garfield

:45:43. > :45:47.and Emily Blunt in the Best Actor category, but La La Land,

:45:48. > :45:52.a musical set in Los Angeles, leads the field with 11 nominations.

:45:53. > :45:54.Alien drama Arrival and dark thriller Nocturnal Animals get

:45:55. > :45:58.nine nominations each, and Ken Loach's British social

:45:59. > :46:06.drama I, Daniel Blake gets five nominations.

:46:07. > :46:10.Let's look at some of the nominations.

:46:11. > :46:12.# City of stars, are you shining just for me?

:46:13. > :46:21.# City of stars, there's so much that I can't see.

:46:22. > :46:30.# Who knows, is this the start of something wonderful?

:46:31. > :46:32.If you've been deemed fit for work, your only option

:46:33. > :46:42.I've never been anywhere near a computer.

:46:43. > :46:45.You need to run the mouse up the screen.

:46:46. > :46:53.I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

:46:54. > :46:55.I'm trying to explain to you a situation,

:46:56. > :47:02.Do you know what - you've created a scene.

:47:03. > :47:04.What was I supposed to do? Jesus Christ!

:47:05. > :47:06.Who's first in this queue? I am.

:47:07. > :47:08.Do you mind if this young lass signs on first?

:47:09. > :47:12.This isn't your concern. I want you to get out as well.

:47:13. > :47:18.Let's talk to Jane Lush, she's the new chair of Bafta.

:47:19. > :47:21.What it is about La La Land that has meant it's captured

:47:22. > :47:33.It is the members of BAFTA that vote, it is not judges, it is a vote

:47:34. > :47:37.by industry peers if you like, but I think it's a joyous film and these

:47:38. > :47:41.are quite grim times and we've got a lot of gritty films in the line up,

:47:42. > :47:48.but I Thailand land stands out because it's a musical. A proper

:47:49. > :47:53.musical where people sing and dance. The opening sequence famously on a

:47:54. > :48:00.motorway. Ryan Gosling learnt to play the piano. And pretty well. I

:48:01. > :48:05.gather pretty well. It is a love story and it's about Los Angeles and

:48:06. > :48:09.it is La La Land. So it is about the madness of Los Angeles. So it makes

:48:10. > :48:15.you smile. It is a very heart warming film. It is also a very

:48:16. > :48:18.beautiful film. It makes Los Angeles look gorgeous which obviously the

:48:19. > :48:27.voters over in America love that too, don't they? Yes. British stars

:48:28. > :48:34.Andrew Garfield, Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant have been nominated for

:48:35. > :48:38.Best Acting Award. It sounds parochial when we talk about British

:48:39. > :48:45.talent, but that's great news? Andrew Garfield, that's not a

:48:46. > :48:48.British film and in the supporting nominations, Aaron Taylor-Johnson

:48:49. > :48:54.playing an American, a very grim part. So, of course, it is great

:48:55. > :48:59.news. We're the British Academy, we want to celebrate British success.

:49:00. > :49:07.BAFTA promised better diversity. There are no nominations for Best

:49:08. > :49:12.Actor. Why? There are four nominations for nonwhite actors in

:49:13. > :49:16.Best Supporting Actor and actress. I'm talking about the leading actor

:49:17. > :49:22.categories? There is a lot of competition. Who knows what number

:49:23. > :49:24.six would have been, maybe Denzil Washington. There is a lot of

:49:25. > :49:29.competition, but we're making progress. Nobody would say the

:49:30. > :49:31.situation is perfect on diversity, it is not. But it is something

:49:32. > :49:37.that's important to BAFTA and important to me. Is it? Is that your

:49:38. > :49:42.explanation then - there is a lot of competition? There is and inevitably

:49:43. > :49:46.in any category there are going to be people, performers or crafts

:49:47. > :49:52.people or whoever it is, but there is a positive story. Moonlight which

:49:53. > :49:58.is a film about gay, young black men in Miami, that's, you know, that's

:49:59. > :50:05.quite quite a tough subject. That is up there, nominated for Best Film.

:50:06. > :50:11.As is, if you're talking, we're interested in diversity in the

:50:12. > :50:17.broadest sense, you have got Notes On Blindness. A film about a blind

:50:18. > :50:22.man. I think we should focus on the achievements and recognise that

:50:23. > :50:25.there is a way to go. Yes. Again, a look at the directors list. No

:50:26. > :50:29.female directors have been nominated. Is that because they're

:50:30. > :50:36.not producing enough films? There is no question there are not enough

:50:37. > :50:40.female directors. Kathryn Bigelow is the only female director to have won

:50:41. > :50:43.an Oscar. That's pretty shabby. What is the reason why there are not more

:50:44. > :50:48.female detectivors in the industry? But I think it will change. You have

:50:49. > :50:52.got to be optimistic and I think it will change because there is an

:50:53. > :50:55.awareness and until there is an awareness and people out there who

:50:56. > :51:01.are actively trying to change things, things will change and they

:51:02. > :51:08.are changing. A quick thought on the spat between Meryl and Donald Trump?

:51:09. > :51:11.Well, it's kept us all full of column inches. Meryl had a platform

:51:12. > :51:23.and she wanted to use it. That's her right. He has got a platform... He

:51:24. > :51:36.is clearly not shy. Fifa has approved the expansion of

:51:37. > :51:40.the World Cup from 32 to 48 teams in time for 2026 competition. The extra

:51:41. > :51:43.places could see African and Asian nations benefiting the most. But

:51:44. > :51:47.critics say whilst it will help make the World Cup larger and richer, the

:51:48. > :51:52.price is going to be lower quality football.

:51:53. > :51:59.Let's get reaction from former England captain, Terry Butcher.

:52:00. > :52:01.Paul Goodwin is the co-founder of the Scottish football

:52:02. > :52:03.Supporters Association - a bigger World Cup could mean it'll

:52:04. > :52:07.Garford Beck is the manager of England Fans FC.

:52:08. > :52:08.Gina West, the founder of Women's Soccer United.

:52:09. > :52:16.Welcome all of you. Terry Butcher, you were sceptical about this. Now

:52:17. > :52:24.it is happening, what do you say? Well, I think what they've done Fifa

:52:25. > :52:29.s have a look at Uefa and had a look at the European Championships when

:52:30. > :52:33.every became a must win game. What they have had in the past in World

:52:34. > :52:39.Cups they have had groups of four and in the last couple of games,

:52:40. > :52:42.look at England's game, England were out of the World Cup. So they are

:52:43. > :52:45.trying to avoid that, you think and trying to make it more expansive and

:52:46. > :52:50.trying to get more teams in, but my worry is if they go to groups of

:52:51. > :52:55.three, I played in 1982 and there was a group of three and it was

:52:56. > :52:59.really weird and it may introduce more penalty shoot-outs in the

:53:00. > :53:08.qualifying shainltion rather than the knock-out -- stages rather than

:53:09. > :53:12.the knock-out stages. The rounds that would have ensured that other

:53:13. > :53:19.countries progressed. So that might be all right? Well, it is good TV

:53:20. > :53:26.and not good for the countries and the players. I find it bizarre that

:53:27. > :53:30.a country will qualify and play two matches and pack their bags and go

:53:31. > :53:33.home. It is a great event and what they are trying to do is make it

:53:34. > :53:37.more interesting, but there are certain ways where you can do that

:53:38. > :53:40.and have groups of four and try and make sure that countries go there

:53:41. > :53:46.and have at least three matches. Paul, as a Scotland supporter, tell

:53:47. > :53:49.Terry Butcher what you think about an expanded World Cup. I think it is

:53:50. > :53:53.good for Scotland because there is more places and there is more chance

:53:54. > :53:57.that we might qualify, but as Terry knows, there is a lot more other

:53:58. > :54:01.things that need to happen in Scotland before we will qualify. I

:54:02. > :54:05.mean, I think the big picture this is all about Fifa getting more money

:54:06. > :54:09.into the system. Where that money goes and how it is attributed to the

:54:10. > :54:13.smaller nations would be the interest that we would have in it,

:54:14. > :54:18.but undoubtedly, it is a bigger political game here that's going on

:54:19. > :54:22.here at Fifa. Gina the Women's World Cup expanded from 16 to 24 teams.

:54:23. > :54:31.What do you think about expanding the men's World Cup to 48? I can see

:54:32. > :54:36.both sides of the argument. I think that it is a positive thing if there

:54:37. > :54:43.is an incentive to get more people involved in the World Cup, to

:54:44. > :54:47.develop the game worldwide. That's a positive. I am concerned about how

:54:48. > :54:56.the format will work. Whether there will be a lot of one-sided fixtures

:54:57. > :55:00.which happens in the women's game when you get different standards

:55:01. > :55:04.qualifying. I mean, there will be, sorry to bring Terry back in, there

:55:05. > :55:08.will be more one-sided fixtures, won't there? Yeah, there will be and

:55:09. > :55:12.having played before in the format with three teams especially, it

:55:13. > :55:16.depends what your sequence of games are. You could sit out the last game

:55:17. > :55:20.and watch your fate be decided by other teams. It is quite bizarre in

:55:21. > :55:23.many aspects. When you look at the amount of teams that Europe has in

:55:24. > :55:26.the World Cup, it is 13 at the moment, they try and expand it to

:55:27. > :55:33.16, it doesn't mean that Scotland will find it easier to qualify.

:55:34. > :55:38.Sorry, back to Gina... For me, it is mainly about the money side. That's

:55:39. > :55:43.all I can really point it down to. Sorry Gina, carry on. No, I was

:55:44. > :55:48.going to say, if that's the motive and it isn't financially motivated

:55:49. > :55:53.then obviously that's better. I mean, I've got the women's

:55:54. > :55:58.prospective. Our funding is absolutely on a different level. I

:55:59. > :56:01.think, actually, increasing the team would be more beneficial to the

:56:02. > :56:05.women's game at the moment rather than the machine's game. Like you

:56:06. > :56:10.said we've only just increased to 24 from 16 so we're still below what

:56:11. > :56:15.the standard men's was and the women's team would benefit more from

:56:16. > :56:20.the global stage. They get moreks posure. It is so hard for women's

:56:21. > :56:27.football. So the World Cup is important. So the more teams that

:56:28. > :56:31.can get involved in it. Let me bring in an England supporter. How would a

:56:32. > :56:37.bigger World Cup affect England's chances of qualifying? It won't

:56:38. > :56:40.affect it because the qualification process normally a piece of cake. It

:56:41. > :56:43.is normally a walk in the park, but desite what has been said and our

:56:44. > :56:46.friend from Scotland, they would welcome this because it gives them a

:56:47. > :56:49.good chance of qualifying, but there is a lot of things that need to

:56:50. > :56:53.change in Scottish football before they can even think about

:56:54. > :56:57.qualification. But as Terry said, it is about money, but it is all about

:56:58. > :57:02.money and politics. This is all about Fifa swelling their coffers

:57:03. > :57:08.and it is about Infantino shoring up his vote. He is the new president.

:57:09. > :57:12.It is about him shoring up his votes in Africa and Asia for the next time

:57:13. > :57:16.he stands for election. From a fans point of view, how would an expanded

:57:17. > :57:21.World Cup, what would it be like for you? World Cups are great to attend.

:57:22. > :57:25.They're fantastic, but they are hard work as well for supporters, but

:57:26. > :57:30.they're saying they're not going to expand the time. It will be done

:57:31. > :57:34.within the six-week period, but an expanded World Cup, it will be

:57:35. > :57:39.bloated and with that you lose the prestige and the sense of occasion.

:57:40. > :57:47.I think that the quality of football will suffer. Right. For sure. We

:57:48. > :57:52.will see. It is 2026. We might not be around by then! Hopefully

:57:53. > :57:57.Scotland will qualify. By then, it is 20 years. We're lot laughing at

:57:58. > :57:59.the expanse of Scottish football, absolutely not. Thank you for coming

:58:00. > :58:10.on the programme. Next, we're going to show you some

:58:11. > :58:13.absolutely fascinating footage which shows chimpanzees

:58:14. > :58:14.in the Ivory Coast effectively entering the stone age -

:58:15. > :58:17.by making unique tools to help Now the weather. Here is Carol, it

:58:18. > :58:33.is getting colder. It is getting colder, Victoria is

:58:34. > :58:37.right. Some of us will see some snow. Even at lower levels, but the

:58:38. > :58:41.snow is not going to be everywhere. So let's take a look first of all at

:58:42. > :58:45.today's weather forecast. What we have is a bright start in the east

:58:46. > :58:50.with sunshine. Variable amounts of cloud. Some showers, but a weather

:58:51. > :58:54.front coming in from the west will introduce rain. The rain is not

:58:55. > :58:58.particularly heavy and as the whole system drifts towards the east, if

:58:59. > :59:01.anything, the rain will become patchier and more drizzly. By the

:59:02. > :59:03.afternoon it will well and truly have cleared Northern Ireland.

:59:04. > :59:07.Bright skies and variable amounts of cloud and still a few showers across

:59:08. > :59:10.Western Scotland, but a lot of dry weather across Scotland, although in

:59:11. > :59:13.the Northern Isles, under the influence of the weather front,

:59:14. > :59:16.there will be patchy rain. We're looking at some of that rain across

:59:17. > :59:20.north-west England, getting into the Pennines, the cloud building ahead

:59:21. > :59:23.of it, but as we come into Lincolnshire, much of East Anglia,

:59:24. > :59:26.down into the South East, although yes, there will be cloud around,

:59:27. > :59:31.equally some of us will see sunshine. Drifting further westwards

:59:32. > :59:35.under the influence of the weather front once again, we're back into

:59:36. > :59:38.the cloud and some spots of rain and into Wales, very similar story.

:59:39. > :59:41.Again, a fair amount of cloud at times with the remnants of that

:59:42. > :59:44.weather front. Now, through the course of the evening and overnight,

:59:45. > :59:48.that clears altogether. We will see snow coming in on the mountains and

:59:49. > :59:54.hills of Scotland. But the wind will be a notable feature of the weather.

:59:55. > :59:58.Anywhere from North Wales, the North Midlands and the Wash, severe across

:59:59. > :00:03.the far north of Scotland, but across the southern uplands and the

:00:04. > :00:09.Pennines, we could have gusts up to 70mph. That could affect the higher

:00:10. > :00:13.routes on the M62. Not just tonight, but tomorrow. If you're travelling

:00:14. > :00:19.bear that in mind. Now, tomorrow, another very windy day. The same

:00:20. > :00:22.areas looking at gusty conditions. It will be atrocious on the

:00:23. > :00:35.mountains of Scotland because we will be seeing snow falling, but at

:00:36. > :00:39.lower levels we could wintriness. It will feel cold if you're exposed to

:00:40. > :00:42.the wind. Thursday, as you can tell from the squeeze in the isobars

:00:43. > :00:46.further north, it will be a windy day. We've got this next system

:00:47. > :00:51.coming in from the south-west. This really has been giving us a headache

:00:52. > :00:55.as to how far north it does travel and that's a salient point of the

:00:56. > :00:59.forecast because as it engages with the cold air, some of it will fall

:01:00. > :01:02.as sleet or snow. At the moment, we think it's South Wales and parts of

:01:03. > :01:05.Southern England and it is just on the leading edge that we will see

:01:06. > :01:09.some of that sleet and snow. North of that, a lot of dry weather, but

:01:10. > :01:11.snow showers at low levels across parts of Scotland and it will feel

:01:12. > :01:16.cold. This morning, train delays

:01:17. > :01:35.and cancellations again. There was an 11-year-old boy trying

:01:36. > :01:41.to get to school, he could not get on. Everybody is out for themselves,

:01:42. > :01:45.nobody wants to lose their job, you can hear the desperation in people's

:01:46. > :01:49.voice. It is, please let me get on the train.

:01:50. > :01:56.Barack Obama makes a speech today to mark the end of his presidency. What

:01:57. > :02:10.will his legacy be? Slowdown! My goodness! I want to be

:02:11. > :02:16.like you! Come on! What is the secret to still be dancing at 106?

:02:17. > :02:18.We will look back at his eight years in the White House.

:02:19. > :02:23.Also today, in an exclusive interview Nicole Kidman tells us why

:02:24. > :02:24.she wants more children at the age of 49, but her husband

:02:25. > :02:28.When people talk about regrets, do I have regrets?

:02:29. > :02:39.I would have liked two or three more.

:02:40. > :02:59.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:03:00. > :03:33.Commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three

:03:34. > :03:36.days of strikes by train drivers this week.

:03:37. > :03:38.It's the latest industrial action in the dispute over plans

:03:39. > :03:40.for drivers to open and close doors, which has been going

:03:41. > :03:44.Drivers will walk out today, tomorrow and on Friday.

:03:45. > :03:46.Southern has urged the Aslef union to get back around

:03:47. > :03:54.Chris Grayling says the strike is not right and not fair.

:03:55. > :03:56.A 15-year-old girl is being questioned by police

:03:57. > :04:00.in York after the death of a seven-year-old girl.

:04:01. > :04:00.The younger girl was found with life-threatening injuries

:04:01. > :04:03.in the Woodthorpe area of the city yesterday afternoon.

:04:04. > :04:05.She was taken to hospital but died a short time later.

:04:06. > :04:06.Boris Johnson, who's visiting Washington,

:04:07. > :04:10.says he's confident Britain will be first in line for a trade deal

:04:11. > :04:14.The Foreign Secretary has been meeting senior

:04:15. > :04:17.Republican politicians, who've promised to make a US-UK

:04:18. > :04:22.President Obama warned in April that the UK would be at the back

:04:23. > :04:29.The US owners of the messaging app Snapchat are to set up

:04:30. > :04:31.a new international headquarters in the UK.

:04:32. > :04:34.The company currently has 75 staff at its office in London

:04:35. > :04:39.It says the UK's strong creative industries made it "a great place

:04:40. > :04:44.The move is seen as positive for the technology sector,

:04:45. > :04:47.as other companies such as Facebook and Google have based

:04:48. > :05:00.themselves in Ireland, which offers lower tax breaks.

:05:01. > :05:10.La La Land has had 11 nominators -- nominations for afters. British

:05:11. > :05:17.actors Andrew Garfield, Emily Bunte and Hugh Grant are also nominated,

:05:18. > :05:19.as is the British state welfare drama I Daniel Blake.

:05:20. > :05:21.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:05:22. > :05:27.In the past quarter of an hour, Fifa has unanimously voted

:05:28. > :05:31.to increase the number of teams in the World Cup, from 32 to 48,

:05:32. > :05:37.There'll be 16 groups of three teams, and the number of tournament

:05:38. > :05:43.But the eventual winners will still play only seven games.

:05:44. > :05:46.We can talk now to our Sports News Correspondent Alex Capstick,

:05:47. > :05:48.who's live at Fifa headquarters in Zurich, where

:05:49. > :05:53.Alex, we've been expecting this decision, despite concerns about it

:05:54. > :05:56.diluting the quality of the tournament, so what's

:05:57. > :06:11.It was always favoured to go through. They were offered five

:06:12. > :06:13.different options, including the existing structure, but the

:06:14. > :06:18.favourite one was always this structure, which you mentioned,

:06:19. > :06:22.which will involve 16 groups of preteens, then a knockout stage of

:06:23. > :06:29.32. The President knew he had lots of support throughout the world,

:06:30. > :06:32.continents like Africa, Asia, the Americans, they all wanted greater

:06:33. > :06:37.representation. They knew they could not get it in the existing system,

:06:38. > :06:41.so they had to go for a bigger World Cup, and 48 seemed to work. It

:06:42. > :06:49.involves the same number of matches for the finalists as in the 32 team

:06:50. > :06:54.format, and the same duration, around 32 days. That alleviate fears

:06:55. > :06:58.from the big clubs in Europe that it would place extra demands on the

:06:59. > :07:03.players. It means a lot more money for Fifa, they will expect to earn

:07:04. > :07:12.an extra $1 billion, 800 million pounds, in the tournament, with

:07:13. > :07:15.profits around 4.2 billion. More money, and it'll make the president

:07:16. > :07:23.very popular across the political landscape in football. Not everybody

:07:24. > :07:30.has look on this so favourably, especially Germany and England, they

:07:31. > :07:35.have been against this. A lot of the Europeans have objected to an

:07:36. > :07:39.increase, they said the existing structure of 32 worked perfectly

:07:40. > :07:44.well, it is a very good format. It has been in place since 1998, so why

:07:45. > :07:51.bother changing something that works? Why fiddle with it? They are

:07:52. > :07:56.concerned about a possible violation of the tournament. 16 extra teams,

:07:57. > :08:00.but some of the games will be meaningless, they are also worried

:08:01. > :08:04.about the third game in the group stage, where teams could manufacture

:08:05. > :08:08.a result, which would be mutually beneficial. One of the ideas on the

:08:09. > :08:14.table to counter that is to have a penalty shoot out when such matches

:08:15. > :08:22.in the group stage are drawn, which would get rid of that potential

:08:23. > :08:25.problem. I am back at 10:30am.

:08:26. > :08:27.It's a new year, is it a new Jeremy Corbyn?

:08:28. > :08:30.The Labour leader, who voted to remain in the EU,

:08:31. > :08:33.now says the UK can be better off when Britain leaves,

:08:34. > :08:37.but that continued full access to the single market is key.

:08:38. > :08:39.He would like a cap placed on the highest earners to reduce

:08:40. > :08:42.inequality. We have the worst levels of income

:08:43. > :08:45.disparity of most of the OECD If we want to live in a more

:08:46. > :08:55.egalitarian society and fund our public services,

:08:56. > :08:59.we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law

:09:00. > :09:04.to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

:09:05. > :09:17.to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

:09:18. > :09:24.would be a fairer thing to do. We cannot set ourselves up

:09:25. > :09:28.as being a grossly-unequal, bargain-basement economy

:09:29. > :09:31.on the shores of Europe. We have to be something

:09:32. > :09:35.that is more egalitarian, gives real opportunities

:09:36. > :09:37.to everybody, and properly Look at the crisis in

:09:38. > :09:45.the NHS as an example. He later clarified that the pay cap

:09:46. > :09:49.would be "somewhat higher" than the ?138,000 he earns as an MP

:09:50. > :09:55.and Leader of the Opposition. The Labour leader who voted

:09:56. > :09:57.to remain in the EU, also says the UK can be better off

:09:58. > :10:00.when Britain leaves but that continued full access to the single

:10:01. > :10:04.market is key So how will Mr Corbyn's ideas go down

:10:05. > :10:07.with Labour supporters and MPs? We can speak now to Emma Reynolds,

:10:08. > :10:11.a Labour MP who published her own proposals on how the party should

:10:12. > :10:25.approach immigration I will talk to you about the pay

:10:26. > :10:30.cap, because that was not trailed in advance, it came out of nowhere, it

:10:31. > :10:35.took a few people by surprise. I have not seen the details. There are

:10:36. > :10:39.no details. He is right to highlight the issue. The gap between the

:10:40. > :10:44.lowest earners and highest earners is too wide. He is right to say that

:10:45. > :10:49.we should not let the Conservatives and the right use Brexit is a chance

:10:50. > :10:54.to turn Britain into a bargain basement economy on the shores of

:10:55. > :10:57.Europe. We need to look at how best to do that. One of the proposals we

:10:58. > :11:03.put forward and that the Conservatives took on temporarily

:11:04. > :11:06.lost to put workers on board. The Prime Minister promised it but then

:11:07. > :11:11.withdrew it. That is one way to ensure we have greater equality in

:11:12. > :11:16.income. But we need to look at what people own, not just what they earn.

:11:17. > :11:20.There is still a long way to go. Would you support your leader's

:11:21. > :11:24.suggestion that legislation should be introduced for a maximum limit of

:11:25. > :11:29.what you can earn, and after that it either goes to the Treasury or

:11:30. > :11:33.whatever? I am not sure, I would like to see the details. I think

:11:34. > :11:36.there are other ways you can go about tackling income inequality,

:11:37. > :11:43.and he is right to highlight the issue. But not a maximum cap? Lets

:11:44. > :11:50.see the detail, but I instinctively don't think it is the best way to

:11:51. > :11:57.go. In terms of Labour's position now on immigration after the vote to

:11:58. > :12:02.leave the EU, do you feel it is any clearer? Jeremy Corbyn has insisted

:12:03. > :12:07.he is not wedded to the free movement of people. He would not put

:12:08. > :12:11.a figure on what the ideal number of immigrants was, but he still wants

:12:12. > :12:16.full access to the single market. How do you reconcile the two? I

:12:17. > :12:21.welcome what he has said on free movement. There has to be change.

:12:22. > :12:26.Kia Starmer has also said that in a speech before Christmas, that the

:12:27. > :12:30.status quo is not an option. I would like to see more detail a game, we

:12:31. > :12:36.will see the speech later today, about what managed migration really

:12:37. > :12:43.means, what Jeremy is talking about. I think that just tackling

:12:44. > :12:48.exportation is not go far enough. Stephen Kinnock and I proposed a two

:12:49. > :12:51.tier system, whereby you can buy preference for EU workers over

:12:52. > :12:57.non-EU workers but you do restrict the numbers in low skilled and

:12:58. > :13:00.semiskilled repressions. I do think people want to see a fairer system

:13:01. > :13:06.and they want to sue the Government have control over who comes in to

:13:07. > :13:10.the country to work. If you did your proposal, how much would it bring

:13:11. > :13:16.net immigration down by? Last year it was pre-30,000. I agree with

:13:17. > :13:19.Jeremy, the Conservatives made a big mess on this, because by promising

:13:20. > :13:26.to reduce the numbers... From your proposals, which you have worked on

:13:27. > :13:30.family... It depends on the economy. The Tories have been wrong in the

:13:31. > :13:34.last six years to try to say that they are going to bring immigration

:13:35. > :13:38.down to the tens of thousands of. You are not going to fall into that

:13:39. > :13:42.trap of putting a number on it. Our party leader is right to say we

:13:43. > :13:44.should not do that. Under your proposals, net immigration could go

:13:45. > :13:52.I would like to see the numbers come down, but I am not going to be...

:13:53. > :13:57.Under your proposals, theoretically net immigration could go up, if you

:13:58. > :14:03.say it is dependent on the economy. You have quotas. The emphasis is

:14:04. > :14:09.that employers must train local people and give local young people

:14:10. > :14:15.opportunities in these low skilled and semiskilled professions, and

:14:16. > :14:19.there would be considered proposals in consultation with business and

:14:20. > :14:24.trade unions, but there would be restrictions are numbers in certain

:14:25. > :14:27.professions of. You know from Angela Merkel and other European leaders

:14:28. > :14:31.that they say it is impossible for Britain to have full access to the

:14:32. > :14:38.single market and to have some kind of control over net migration.

:14:39. > :14:42.Jeremy Corbyn knows that. That is their starting point, but what we

:14:43. > :14:45.said at the weekend was our position is different from the Conservatives'

:14:46. > :14:50.and the Prime Minister. We think we should keep an element of preference

:14:51. > :14:53.for EU workers over non-EU workers, and we are not the only country that

:14:54. > :14:58.is having a conversation about immigration. Jeremy Corbyn's

:14:59. > :15:01.position is not that different from some Conservatives, they want full

:15:02. > :15:06.access to the single market and to patrol net migration. We want the

:15:07. > :15:11.best possible access. You now sound like the Prime Minister. She has put

:15:12. > :15:16.immigration above the economy, I think there has to be a balance

:15:17. > :15:20.between the two. That me ask you about the reboot for Jeremy Corbyn.

:15:21. > :15:26.Is it going to help him reach out to the wider electorate? I had so. He

:15:27. > :15:30.said this morning that it is not a reboot as such. Whenever a party

:15:31. > :15:35.leader does a speech in the New Year, people try to brand it as

:15:36. > :15:38.something like a reboot or a relaunch. We do need to talk to

:15:39. > :15:44.people who have turned away from Labour. That is critical.

:15:45. > :15:51.Is that not happening yet? If we are just going to talk to people who are

:15:52. > :15:54.going to vote Labour, that will not change anything. We need to reach

:15:55. > :15:57.out to the people who lost confidence in the last election and

:15:58. > :16:01.the one before that and we need it start reaching ot and if we don't,

:16:02. > :16:05.we're not going to do very well. What sort of success are you looking

:16:06. > :16:09.for from Jeremy Corbyn in the next cull of years? How will you measure

:16:10. > :16:13.whether he's doing a good job or not? Well, today is a start. I think

:16:14. > :16:17.it is right that our party talks about immigration. I think for too

:16:18. > :16:20.long, under various leaders actually, we have been seen as a

:16:21. > :16:25.party that doesn't want to talks about what is a very difficult and

:16:26. > :16:30.sensitive issue and we need to take a balanced approach to it based on

:16:31. > :16:33.our values, but Jeremy is right to talk about Brexit and about

:16:34. > :16:40.immigration today and that's a good start. Household incomes, typical

:16:41. > :16:46.household incomes rose ?600 to ?26300 after tax between 2015 and

:16:47. > :16:51.2016. Figures just in from the Office for National Statistics. Any

:16:52. > :16:54.thought on that? Gone up a little bit. I would like to see people

:16:55. > :16:58.everywhere in the country do better than they're doing. I would like to

:16:59. > :17:02.see a break in the sense that somehow the next generation won't do

:17:03. > :17:05.better than this generation and I think it is not just about earnings,

:17:06. > :17:08.I think it is about housing. There is a huge housing crisis in the

:17:09. > :17:11.country and there are people who are sitting on assets worth billions of

:17:12. > :17:14.pounds and people who can't get on the housing lad are and that can't

:17:15. > :17:17.be right. There are young people here in London for example who are

:17:18. > :17:20.really, really struggling to get on the housing ladderment they have to

:17:21. > :17:25.move out of London to own their own home, to have the security of home

:17:26. > :17:30.ownership. I don't think that's right. We have got to look more

:17:31. > :17:33.broadly not just at income, but tax rates on capital and the

:17:34. > :17:37.Conservatives have reduced inheritance tax and I think they

:17:38. > :17:40.were wrong to do that and you know, the Labour Party doesn't need to

:17:41. > :17:44.just look at the income disparity because there are many people,

:17:45. > :17:48.entrepreneurs who earn a lot of money, but they have created a lot

:17:49. > :17:53.of jobs so I think we need to not have a tax on aspiration, but we

:17:54. > :17:56.need to look at the capital that people are sitting on as well. A

:17:57. > :18:01.couple of comments from people watching. Great idea coming from

:18:02. > :18:03.Jeremy Corbyn on maximum salaries. No public sector worker should be

:18:04. > :18:08.earning some of the incredible amounts this they do. The private

:18:09. > :18:12.sector incomes are much bigger than some of the public sector incomes.

:18:13. > :18:15.There are Chief Executives of certain public sector bodies that

:18:16. > :18:20.are on hundreds of thousands of pounds which this viewer is not

:18:21. > :18:28.into. Paul e-mails, "Yet another Corbyn classic. Companies must offer

:18:29. > :18:30.the global rate otherwise they will get inferior candidates. Such a move

:18:31. > :18:33.restricts candidates." In the second part of our chat

:18:34. > :18:37.with Nicole Kidman, she tells me the secret to her long happy

:18:38. > :18:40.marriage and why she thinks we Can you believe it's a year

:18:41. > :18:44.since David Bowie died? He had cancer and died two days

:18:45. > :18:47.after his 69th birthday, having kept his illness hidden

:18:48. > :18:49.from everyone except his family He'd only just released his 25th

:18:50. > :18:54.album, Blackstar, which came to be seen as his "parting gift" to fans,

:18:55. > :18:57.reflecting as it did on themes Tribute events are due to take

:18:58. > :19:03.place around the world. His death left a hole in many

:19:04. > :19:24.people's lives including our next I was learning about how to play

:19:25. > :19:28.rhythm 'n' blues and learning how to write and finding out everything

:19:29. > :19:33.that I read and any film that I saw, in a theatre, everything went into

:19:34. > :19:39.mid-mind as being an influence. # Star man waiting in the sky. High

:19:40. > :19:49.pressure he told us not to blow it. # Because it is all worthwhile. #

:19:50. > :20:00.# Let's dance, put on your red shoes and dance the blues. #

:20:01. > :20:06.I felt really comfortable going on stage as somebody else and it seemed

:20:07. > :20:12.a rational decision to keep on doing that.

:20:13. > :20:13.So I got quite besotted with the idea of just creating character

:20:14. > :20:43.after character. # Put on your red shoes and dance

:20:44. > :20:46.the blues.# # And Ziggy played

:20:47. > :20:50.guitar.# So, George, you knew David

:20:51. > :21:05.since you were kids? What are you thinking? I still can't

:21:06. > :21:11.really get used to it. It is a tough one because he was a big part of my

:21:12. > :21:16.life. You met at age nine... Yes, enrolling for the Cubs. OK. Kyoto

:21:17. > :21:22.Treaties what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? -- can you tell us

:21:23. > :21:34.what nine-year-old David Bowie was like? He was enthusiastic. The first

:21:35. > :21:46.thing we started talking about was music and the music that was of the

:21:47. > :21:52.time in 1956, you know, there was everything. Music was starting to

:21:53. > :21:57.change drastically. We were in a good place. We wanted to get a group

:21:58. > :22:04.together straightaway even though we were only nine years old! But we

:22:05. > :22:09.did, while we were in the Cubs we did go around the cap fire singing a

:22:10. > :22:14.few songs. Probably David's first public performance. Maybe. Maybe.

:22:15. > :22:18.You cemented that friendship, I think, through your teenage years

:22:19. > :22:27.and obviously he's grog up and then he starts to become incredibly

:22:28. > :22:33.famous. Yeah. We were at the same secondary school together and while

:22:34. > :22:41.I was at school, I was in a band and David, it was called the Conrads and

:22:42. > :22:51.I told the guys that I had a friend who was learning to play the sax. I

:22:52. > :22:56.managed to get him to join the band. That was the first hint. He did say

:22:57. > :23:02.to me, you know, many times that this is what I want to do, you know,

:23:03. > :23:09.this is it. I had my art because that's really what I wanted to do

:23:10. > :23:19.was to be an artist in some way or another, but we did, we were in

:23:20. > :23:25.bands together. David's first single was with the King Bees, we didn't

:23:26. > :23:33.make any success out of it, but I could see then that David was

:23:34. > :23:37.striving for star Dom was starting to, you know, become to fruition.

:23:38. > :23:40.Yes. He invited you on tour and actually, there were times when he

:23:41. > :23:44.just wanted you to stay on the whole tour and you thought, "I can't get

:23:45. > :23:48.away with this. It looks like I'm doing nothing." You were just

:23:49. > :23:56.married. That was the other complication. I got married in 1971

:23:57. > :24:02.and David was at the wedding and the change from then to 1972 was

:24:03. > :24:10.amazing. In one short year, one short time, you know, in that year

:24:11. > :24:15.he changed from sort of a long hair hippie-type to this new persona he

:24:16. > :24:21.found as Ziggy Stardust and he wanted me to go on the tour with him

:24:22. > :24:25.to America which my wife and I, you couldn't turn that down. It was only

:24:26. > :24:31.going to be for a couple weeks and he wanted me to do an album cover

:24:32. > :24:42.for him, the man who travelled the world. We went on the QE2 first

:24:43. > :24:47.class... Which he paid for? I was ready to do what - he wanted to take

:24:48. > :24:54.me with him and that was great. Did you have a lot of laughs with him?

:24:55. > :25:00.Well, I mean, he was hilarious. Absolutely hilarious, just on the

:25:01. > :25:06.QE2, he went to dinner the first night in one of his stage outfits.

:25:07. > :25:18.It was a big white Ziggy outfit with endlets on it and everything. --

:25:19. > :25:26.endlilets and old ladies had their mouths open! He said I don't like

:25:27. > :25:31.going down there. I said, "Why not?" He said, "Everybody is staring at

:25:32. > :25:35.me." I said when you're wearing clothes like that. He stayed in bed

:25:36. > :25:40.for the five-day-trip. He stayed in his room a lot. While we were there

:25:41. > :25:44.with him, he put on a show for us. My wife and I would sit there just

:25:45. > :25:50.being entertained. Are you thinking at this point, oh my god, David

:25:51. > :25:55.Bowie is entertaining or are you thinking David, old mate since the

:25:56. > :25:59.age of nine when we met at Cubs stop messing about? I tell you something,

:26:00. > :26:05.when David got into a character, you couldn't take your eyes off him, he

:26:06. > :26:12.was in that zone and that was fine. Afterwards, you would say, "Blimey,

:26:13. > :26:16.that was good, Dave." With me and him it was always a down-to-earth

:26:17. > :26:22.relationship. He wanted me as a companion really as well. And he

:26:23. > :26:27.asked me after a couple of weeks, I took my own money with him and I had

:26:28. > :26:30.spent it all. I would say we're going back now and I said well, I

:26:31. > :26:38.have got things to do, I've got stuff. , "Why don't you come on the

:26:39. > :26:43.rest of the tour?" "What three months all around America?" "Yes.

:26:44. > :26:48.Yths I did do some work for him while I was there. I didn't want to

:26:49. > :26:54.be hanging on all the time. No. I did that. He said, "Do you want to

:26:55. > :26:59.come to Japan with us?" I thought, "Oh no, this is ridiculous." What

:27:00. > :27:04.did your new wife say? She was Danish and it was all a bit strange,

:27:05. > :27:10.well it would be strange for anyone being on a tour like that because it

:27:11. > :27:17.was like a craze crisis circus as you can imagine, but I turned it

:27:18. > :27:22.down. I said no. I had a career I wanted to pursue and he understood

:27:23. > :27:27.that, but I often think back, I wonder, if I was such a good friend

:27:28. > :27:35.to him as he was to me, you know? Do you? Sometimes. Thank you very much,

:27:36. > :27:40.George. It's all right. Thank you for sharing your memories. You're

:27:41. > :27:43.welcome. Don't get emotional, but I understand why. Thank you very much

:27:44. > :27:49.for coming on the programme. Thank you.

:27:50. > :27:57.Stay there a second. Thank you. News about the Post Office. I will

:27:58. > :28:02.have to go into - yes. The Post Office is to close and franchise a

:28:03. > :28:08.further 37 Crown Offices and that means 300 people will lose their

:28:09. > :28:12.jobs and 127 financial specialist roles will also go. That's in from

:28:13. > :28:17.the Communication Workers Union. And also this news just in, this is from

:28:18. > :28:21.the police in Cumbria, north council buryia university Hospitals trust

:28:22. > :28:25.called in the police after a small number of saline bags appear to have

:28:26. > :28:29.been tampered. This was discovered on 4th January by a member of staff

:28:30. > :28:33.who alerted senior clinicians straightaway. The trust implemented

:28:34. > :28:37.its serious incident procedures and there is no indication that any

:28:38. > :28:41.patients have been adversely affected, but the situation is being

:28:42. > :28:46.monitored and the trust, as I said, have now called in Cumbria Police,

:28:47. > :28:52.after a small number of saline bags appear to have been tampered with.

:28:53. > :28:54.A 15-year-old girl has been arrested after the death

:28:55. > :29:05.Fill us in Phil. Well, Victoria, beyond these police vans, the

:29:06. > :29:08.scientific support vans lies a white forensics tent and that's where the

:29:09. > :29:12.focus of this investigation is centring this morning. As you

:29:13. > :29:18.mentioned a seven-year-old girl died in this area of York at around

:29:19. > :29:23.4.30pm to 5pm last night. A 15-year-old girl has been arrested.

:29:24. > :29:27.Now we have been talking to local people who say there was intense

:29:28. > :29:34.police activity last night at 4.30pm to 5pm when this incident happened.

:29:35. > :29:36.Detectives have been making door-to-door inquiries as they try

:29:37. > :29:41.to build up a picture of what happened. We know the seven-year-old

:29:42. > :29:45.was taken to York Hospital, but died a short time later. Now, North

:29:46. > :29:51.Yorkshire Police are not saying too much at the moment, but they did

:29:52. > :29:55.tweet last night, "A difficult late shift for all York staff with the

:29:56. > :29:59.tragic death of a seven-year-old. Thoughts go out to all the family."

:30:00. > :30:09.Beyond the white tent which you can perhaps see is an area of open land,

:30:10. > :30:14.it is often used by dog walkers and people who indulge in recreation.

:30:15. > :30:18.This is where the incident happened. The police are trying to build up a

:30:19. > :30:19.picture to establish the circumstances of this event last

:30:20. > :30:24.night. Victoria. Thank you. Snapchat is moving its international

:30:25. > :30:33.headquarters to the UK. Snapchat is one of the

:30:34. > :30:41.fastest-growing of the social media platforms. In America, Snapchat

:30:42. > :30:47.launched quite a long time ago, but it is now booming, over 150 million

:30:48. > :30:53.people worldwide that use it, and 10 million of them are in Britain. If

:30:54. > :30:57.you have a teenage kid in Britain, they will be on Snapchat. The fact

:30:58. > :31:04.they are moving to London is a thumbs up for London's post Brexit

:31:05. > :31:07.economy, and it is surprising, because most companies move to low

:31:08. > :31:18.tax havens, like Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands.

:31:19. > :31:22.Still to come, Nicole Kidman tells us about her happy marriage and the

:31:23. > :31:26.pressure to look good in Hollywood. And at a macro closes the book on

:31:27. > :31:30.his presidency with a farewell speech -- Barack Obama. We look at

:31:31. > :31:33.his legacy. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:31:34. > :31:42.with a summary of today's news. North Cumbria hospitals trust has

:31:43. > :31:46.called the police after a small number of saline bags appeared to

:31:47. > :31:50.have been tampered with. The problem was discovered last Wednesday by a

:31:51. > :31:55.member of staff, who alerted senior doctors. The trust says it

:31:56. > :31:57.implemented its serious incident procedures and there is no

:31:58. > :32:01.indication that any Haitians have been adversely affected. 'S any

:32:02. > :32:03.patience. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:32:04. > :32:05.has criticised the gap between high-income earners

:32:06. > :32:07.and the lowest paid, saying that a cap on earnings might produce

:32:08. > :32:09."a more-egalitarian society". Speaking to BBC Radio

:32:10. > :32:11.4's Today programme, Mr Corbyn said he thought

:32:12. > :32:13.introducing the limit would be If we want to live in a more

:32:14. > :32:22.egalitarian society and fund our public services,

:32:23. > :32:24.we cannot go on creating worse There should be a law

:32:25. > :32:27.to limit income? Forget a figure, a law

:32:28. > :32:35.to limit maximum earnings? I would like to see it, I think it

:32:36. > :32:39.would be a fairer thing to do. As we've been hearing,

:32:40. > :32:41.commuters on Southern rail are facing the first of three days

:32:42. > :32:44.of strikes by train It's the latest industrial action

:32:45. > :32:48.in a dispute over plans for drivers to open and close doors,

:32:49. > :32:50.which has been going Drivers will also walk out

:32:51. > :32:54.tomorrow and on Friday. Virtually no services

:32:55. > :32:56.are now running. The Transport Secretary Chris

:32:57. > :32:58.Grayling has condemned the strike on Southern rail,

:32:59. > :33:01.saying it is "simply not The Hollywood musical

:33:02. > :33:09.La La Land leads nominations for this year's Baftas,

:33:10. > :33:11.with 11 nods, including Best Film. Its stars Ryan Gosling

:33:12. > :33:14.and Emma Stone are also up for Best Actor and Actress,

:33:15. > :33:16.just a day after winning British actors Andrew Garfield,

:33:17. > :33:20.Emily Blunt and Hugh Grant are also nominated, as is British state

:33:21. > :33:24.welfare drama I, Daniel Blake. The ceremony takes place

:33:25. > :33:29.in London on February 12th. Join me for BBC

:33:30. > :33:34.Newsroom Live at 11am. More on the news that para-cyclists

:33:35. > :33:40.have been given just seven weeks to prepare for their Track World

:33:41. > :33:43.Championship. Jody Cundy is with me, you won two

:33:44. > :33:47.gold medals at the Rio Games. And I've seen your tweets,

:33:48. > :34:02.will you be competing? I am ever professional, if I did not

:34:03. > :34:07.go, I would be a hypocrite, but for it to be such last-minute, it is

:34:08. > :34:13.seven weeks, for athletes preparing it is not time to do it. For

:34:14. > :34:19.organisations and teams to sort out logistics, visas, transport, Hotel

:34:20. > :34:23.is, it is a bit crazy. I don't know if there is an all too real motive,

:34:24. > :34:27.but it seems a bit strange that it has become so late in the day. A lot

:34:28. > :34:31.of the athletes after September have not gone into full-time training

:34:32. > :34:36.yet, so how will this affect the quality of the event? By our

:34:37. > :34:42.standards, a lot of us have only just started going back on our

:34:43. > :34:47.bikes. I started in December, I saw a couple of others for the first

:34:48. > :34:51.time this week. In seven weeks, we have a World Championship, and we

:34:52. > :34:57.have to be in prime condition, it is a bit crazy. I cannot imagine some

:34:58. > :35:01.of the nations even have the money to do it, because most of the

:35:02. > :35:05.funding is a four-year cycle, and the Paralympics would have been the

:35:06. > :35:11.end of the cycle, and I do not think the cycle for the Tokyo cycle -- the

:35:12. > :35:16.money for the Tokyo cycle has come through yet. If we are going to be

:35:17. > :35:22.struggling, we are the best funded, so I do not know what will happen.

:35:23. > :35:29.Why you think it has been so rushed? I don't know. I ashamed there must

:35:30. > :35:36.be some hidden agenda somewhere. I would like to guess,... Have you

:35:37. > :35:40.speaking to them about this? I spoke to Sarah Storey, who is on the

:35:41. > :35:43.commission, about what was going on behind the scenes, and she seemed

:35:44. > :35:53.just as angry as what I am. It is one of those things, it should be an

:35:54. > :35:59.annual event, it should be up there for them to move towards it being a

:36:00. > :36:03.sustainable event in the future, but doing it this way is not going to

:36:04. > :36:17.give us the best president that we needed.

:36:18. > :36:24.Next, chimpanzees, creating tools to help them drink water, like the

:36:25. > :37:11.Stone Age. I told you it was good. If you think

:37:12. > :37:15.that was good, you will want to watch the BBC's new documentary on

:37:16. > :37:18.Thursday night. Cameras are concealed within lifelike robots,

:37:19. > :37:22.tracking how animals interact with them in the wild. The first

:37:23. > :37:26.programme features a robust monkeys which mistake a robot is one of

:37:27. > :37:31.their own and go into a state of grief when the robot is dropped from

:37:32. > :37:36.a height. A team of spy creatures is on a

:37:37. > :37:40.mission. To uncover the secret lives of wild animals. They're hidden

:37:41. > :37:50.cameras capture extraordinary behaviour. What they reveal will

:37:51. > :37:52.surprise, amaze and make you smile. Maybe they are more like us than we

:37:53. > :38:00.ever thought possible. This morning we've been bringing

:38:01. > :38:04.you an exclusive interview with Nicole Kidman about her role

:38:05. > :38:06.in today's Bafta-nominated Here, in the second part

:38:07. > :38:10.of our chat, she opens up about her desire to become a mother

:38:11. > :38:14.again at 49, the secret to her long happy marriage and why she thinks

:38:15. > :38:16.we should all be getting behind I started by asking

:38:17. > :38:19.her about the pressure I'm primarily concerned

:38:20. > :38:25.with creating a character, so the look that has nothing

:38:26. > :38:28.to do with it. Do I want to go to a red carpet,

:38:29. > :38:31.put on a beautiful dress, do my make-up and, you know,

:38:32. > :38:34.as though I'm going to a nice party? But that's what that

:38:35. > :38:38.is, that's a party. This is, when you're doing the work,

:38:39. > :38:43.it's what's required for the role. I just did Top Of The Lake

:38:44. > :38:46.with Jane Campion, and I wore the most beautiful grey hair,

:38:47. > :38:49.thick grey hair. Plenty of our audience will have

:38:50. > :38:52.seen the publicity shots, actually, That's what I'm interested in now,

:38:53. > :39:07.is the way in which we've been given, as women,

:39:08. > :39:10.so many things, we can wear hair extensions,

:39:11. > :39:13.we can wear make-up, There are so many different ways

:39:14. > :39:19.in which we can blur the lines now, and therefore blur our ages,

:39:20. > :39:25.blur who we are and how we are seen, and that's fantastic,

:39:26. > :39:28.because that's choice. Ultimately, that's what we want

:39:29. > :39:31.as women, is choice, our choice. Although, I interviewed

:39:32. > :39:34.Julie Walters earlier this year, and she said if she went

:39:35. > :39:37.to Hollywood now, she would be regarded as a freak, she thought,

:39:38. > :39:40.because she looks like a woman I'd be grateful to

:39:41. > :39:56.cast her in something. You've spoken before about hoping,

:39:57. > :40:04.quote, hoping every month that you might be pregnant,

:40:05. > :40:06.and your grandmother, I read, When people talk about regrets,

:40:07. > :40:17.do I have regrets, I wish My husband says, "That

:40:18. > :40:22.is the wanting mind, How many more children

:40:23. > :40:26.would you have liked? I would have liked probably two

:40:27. > :40:29.or three more children. And I love being around and I love

:40:30. > :40:46.the ups and downs and I love watching them grow and the things

:40:47. > :40:52.they say and teach. And that is the one

:40:53. > :40:54.regret in your life? I hate to use the word regret,

:40:55. > :40:57.because I have no regrets in terms of I'm so blessed,

:40:58. > :41:06.but would I enjoy giving two And I used to be far more

:41:07. > :41:22.comfortable with children You said you would

:41:23. > :41:30.consider adopting again. He's like, "I'm done, baby,

:41:31. > :41:40.I'm done, let's just But, you know, that's the balance

:41:41. > :41:45.of a relationship, isn't it? I would never go against what he

:41:46. > :41:51.wanted in terms of our family. He's right in the way,

:41:52. > :41:54.there's only a certain amount of time and you want to be able

:41:55. > :41:57.to give the time to You're now in the middle of a

:41:58. > :42:03.relationship discussion, may I add! From your own experience,

:42:04. > :42:18.what is the key to that Because I think humility in that

:42:19. > :42:27.regard is probably the biggest thing you can have in a relationship,

:42:28. > :42:32.which is grateful to have it, contributing to it, prioritising it,

:42:33. > :42:37.and never sort of preaching Because I think everyone's

:42:38. > :42:44.relationship is their own. We all know what goes

:42:45. > :42:47.on behind closed doors What works for us doesn't

:42:48. > :42:54.work for other people. I met somebody...I always

:42:55. > :43:00.say I love and I like. You have joint US-Australian

:43:01. > :43:08.citizenship and you voted in the US What do you think of

:43:09. > :43:13.President-elect Trump? I'm always reticent to start

:43:14. > :43:16.commenting politically. I've never done it

:43:17. > :43:21.in terms of America. So, I just say we as a country

:43:22. > :43:32.needs to support whoever is the President, because that's

:43:33. > :43:35.what the country's based on. And whatever, however that happened,

:43:36. > :43:42.he's there and let's go. Let's go and, for me,

:43:43. > :43:45.I'm very committed to women's issues in terms of I do a lot

:43:46. > :43:50.of fundraising for UN Women and I do I also do an enormous

:43:51. > :43:55.amount of fundraising for breast and ovarian cancer,

:43:56. > :44:01.because that's something that's They are my issues that

:44:02. > :44:06.I'm very attached to. Can I ask you about another issue

:44:07. > :44:10.in Australia, the big debate Kylie Minogue saying

:44:11. > :44:13.she will not get married What do you say to Australian

:44:14. > :44:22.politicians who do not support it? I believe in allowing

:44:23. > :44:26.people who love each other to share their lives together

:44:27. > :44:28.and to honour it. I really believe that we should stay

:44:29. > :44:30.out of people's business I laugh when people love each

:44:31. > :44:36.other and want that to be acknowledged legally,

:44:37. > :44:42.because that's protection, as well, but it's also a way

:44:43. > :44:46.in which you sound committed. Thank you very much

:44:47. > :44:49.for talking to us. Thank you for having me and thanks

:44:50. > :44:59.for asking such great questions. Lion is released on 20th January

:45:00. > :45:05.in cinemas nationwide. And you can watch our interview

:45:06. > :45:08.with Nicole in full on our programme In ten days' time Donald Trump

:45:09. > :45:17.will officially be inaugurated as the 45th President

:45:18. > :45:19.of the United States. Tonight, after eight

:45:20. > :45:21.years in the White House, Barack Obama will give

:45:22. > :45:23.a farewell speech. During his time in office,

:45:24. > :45:25.Obama's contended with a global financial crisis and Syria's decent

:45:26. > :45:29.into war, and been frustrated He's also introduced Obamacare,

:45:30. > :45:38.which makes it easier for Americans Here he is eight years ago,

:45:39. > :45:41.when as the United States' first black President his election offered

:45:42. > :45:49.many new hope. Since then he's been accused

:45:50. > :45:51.of failing to do enough to tackle issues of racism

:45:52. > :45:55.and police brutality. So what does Barack Obama

:45:56. > :45:58.think his own legacy will be? Eight years in office

:45:59. > :46:04.and lots of decisions. Does President Obama

:46:05. > :46:06.have any regrets? Well, we couldn't ask him

:46:07. > :46:09.directly, but he has spoken Libya, last year, a Fox News host

:46:10. > :46:17.asked Obama a simple question. Probably failing to plan for the day

:46:18. > :46:26.after when I think was the right Obama told the Atlantic magazine

:46:27. > :46:32.he misjudged two things. First, how much tribal

:46:33. > :46:34.divisions would play a role in post-Gaddafi Libya and second,

:46:35. > :46:38.how little he would be able to rely on France and the UK to help

:46:39. > :46:41.rebuild the country. Of course, those governments didn't

:46:42. > :46:45.quite see it that way. Guns, a lot of mass shootings

:46:46. > :46:48.happened on Obama's watch. Here he is in 2015

:46:49. > :46:52.talking to the BBC. The one area where I feel that I've

:46:53. > :46:56.been most frustrated and most stymied, we don't have sufficient

:46:57. > :47:03.common sense gun safety laws. Even in the face of

:47:04. > :47:06.repeated mass killings. Here is the President a year ago

:47:07. > :47:13.giving his last State It is one of the few regrets

:47:14. > :47:18.of my presidency that the rancour and the suspicion

:47:19. > :47:20.between the parties has gotten I have no doubt a President

:47:21. > :47:26.with the gifts of Eisenhower or Roosevelt might have

:47:27. > :47:28.better bridged the divide. On this issue, Obama really

:47:29. > :47:30.seems to compare himself The President later told Vanity Fair

:47:31. > :47:34.that maybe he could have got more done in he had the genius

:47:35. > :47:37.of Abraham, the charm of FDR, the energy of Teddy Roosevelt

:47:38. > :47:44.or the legislative Guantanamo Bay, Obama campaigned

:47:45. > :47:47.on a promise to close And President-elect Trump wants

:47:48. > :47:53.to keep it that way. We're going to load it up

:47:54. > :47:56.with some bad dudes. So when a seventh grader in Ohio

:47:57. > :48:02.asked Obama what he wished he had done differently on his

:48:03. > :48:04.first day in office... Close Guantanamo Bay

:48:05. > :48:06.on the first day. I didn't because at that time

:48:07. > :48:09.as you will recall we had a by-partisan agreement that it

:48:10. > :48:12.should be closed and I thought we had enough consensus

:48:13. > :48:14.that we could do in a more Finally, Syria, Syria Obama has said

:48:15. > :48:22.haunts him constantly, but he told Vanity Fair

:48:23. > :48:26.that he doesn't necessarily regret how he has handled the conflict,

:48:27. > :48:32.still he said, "I do ask myself was there something

:48:33. > :48:34.that we hadn't thought of? Was there some move that's

:48:35. > :48:41.beyond what is being presented to me that maybe a Churchill

:48:42. > :48:53.could have seen? No doubt President Obama

:48:54. > :48:56.will reflect on his decisions Politics and his regrets aside,

:48:57. > :49:01.he's created some memorable moments at the White House,

:49:02. > :49:04.dancing and singing like no other Then to know that the reverend

:49:05. > :49:08.Al Green was here. Last week, Prince George showed up

:49:09. > :49:26.to our meeting in his bath robe. I want to be like

:49:27. > :49:48.you when I grow up. So what's the secret

:49:49. > :50:01.to still dancing at 106? # And when I knew I had

:50:02. > :50:20.to face another day. # Lord, it made me

:50:21. > :50:25.feel so tired.# That's the most persistent

:50:26. > :50:40.fly I've ever seen. # Amazing Grace,

:50:41. > :51:10.how sweet the sound. # I once was lost,

:51:11. > :52:07.but now I'm found.# # But now I'm found. #

:52:08. > :52:14.He has got to be the coolest president ever.

:52:15. > :52:18.We can speak now to Mara Rudman, a former national-security official

:52:19. > :52:20.for both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton's administrations.

:52:21. > :52:22.She also studied at law school with Obama.

:52:23. > :52:27.Robert George, an editorial writer for the New York Daily News.

:52:28. > :52:37.Let's start with you Robert George. What will his legacy be? You have to

:52:38. > :52:42.put it in two categories, a historical cultural legacy which I

:52:43. > :52:46.think some of those last, some of the last couple of clips showed the

:52:47. > :52:53.impact he had there and then, of course, like any other president, he

:52:54. > :52:58.has got a political and a policy legacy and that one is a little bit

:52:59. > :53:04.more, that's a little bit more mixed in the context of the economy,

:53:05. > :53:13.foreign policy, etcetera. What would be a success? What would be a

:53:14. > :53:17.failure Robert George? I think as a success from his terms in the

:53:18. > :53:22.context of something that Democrats in the United States have been

:53:23. > :53:27.wanting for a long time is getting closer to a national healthcare

:53:28. > :53:32.system. Now, obviously, many Republicans pushed back at that and

:53:33. > :53:37.in fact, one of the very first policy choices that the Republicans

:53:38. > :53:43.and the incoming president Donald Trump will work on is repealing what

:53:44. > :53:47.is known as Obamacare, but it is definitely rooted in and whatever

:53:48. > :53:52.replacement that the Republicans come up with, it will be a lot

:53:53. > :53:59.further along towards what they see as a national healthcare system than

:54:00. > :54:05.they would have liked. I give him sort of a B or a B minus in the

:54:06. > :54:18.context of the economy given where the country was when he came in.

:54:19. > :54:24.However, the country in terms of the gross economic increases year to

:54:25. > :54:28.year has been a lot further behind where similar recoveries were after

:54:29. > :54:35.president's Reagan and presidents Clinton. So that's not so great.

:54:36. > :54:39.Failures I think are foreign policy has been unfortunately, I think, the

:54:40. > :54:47.Middle East in particular is much messier than it was when he came in

:54:48. > :54:52.eight years ago. Let me bring in our other guest. What would be give him

:54:53. > :54:58.an A for and B minus for? Thanks. Well, first of all, you need to look

:54:59. > :55:04.broadly at what he has brought in his presidency and particularly when

:55:05. > :55:08.we look at what's coming next. And he has, he embodies American values

:55:09. > :55:12.and constitutional values in just his very being and in his essence

:55:13. > :55:17.and in his presence, his intelligence and decency and his

:55:18. > :55:21.charisma and he is a president that we can be proud of and that the

:55:22. > :55:28.country can be proud of and I think that that should not be sold short.

:55:29. > :55:33.In terms of what he gets nailed for, the economy and his healthcare

:55:34. > :55:37.system. I think history will judge him well. You would give him an A

:55:38. > :55:43.for the economy, would you? Absolutely. I worked for plinth. I

:55:44. > :55:48.saw the tremendous benefits that the economy that plinth left for

:55:49. > :55:53.President Bush. I saw what President Obama inherited. Robert George, do

:55:54. > :55:56.you want to come back in there? Sorry, and where we are in

:55:57. > :56:01.comparison to the rest of the world, the United States economy is doing

:56:02. > :56:08.incredibly well. I understand where people feel that they have lost when

:56:09. > :56:12.you look at relative basis. He has done a tremendous job. Well, I think

:56:13. > :56:20.one of the controversies or disputes they have in the United States is

:56:21. > :56:25.how much of the current economy is from President Obama's policies and

:56:26. > :56:30.how much of it has been from say the Central Bank, the Federal Reserve.

:56:31. > :56:35.They've kept interest rates basically at zero for most of his

:56:36. > :56:42.administration and that maybe one of the reasons why we have a better job

:56:43. > :56:50.creation than say Europe and the rest of the world.

:56:51. > :56:57.Sure I think history will look back and look at the eight year period of

:56:58. > :57:02.his presidency and history judges presidents and has his leadership

:57:03. > :57:07.and how the economy fared under him as they judged President Reagan and

:57:08. > :57:13.plinth. I think right now, it is not exactly a quibble. I'm kernel, I

:57:14. > :57:17.know a number of my Republican friends would give President Obama

:57:18. > :57:23.something more like a D or worse on the economy. I mean I think it's

:57:24. > :57:30.good. It is just I wouldn't quite give it an A given some of the other

:57:31. > :57:35.factors as I've just referenced. Briefly, how as a Democrat, how

:57:36. > :57:38.worried are you about incoming Donald Trump as president repealing,

:57:39. > :57:45.reversing much of what President Obama has tried to do in the last

:57:46. > :57:51.eight years? Listen, I'm concerned, but what I'm as concerned about is

:57:52. > :57:55.just the fundamental institutions of our Government and our democracy,

:57:56. > :58:00.that's not an issue of Democrat or Republican. That goes to being an

:58:01. > :58:05.American. So what I will hope for is that Americans come together and

:58:06. > :58:09.recognise what's most important for our country and that is what I

:58:10. > :58:14.started with is what President Obama embodies and I hope we will come

:58:15. > :58:15.together as a country and ensure that those qualities stay. Thank you

:58:16. > :58:25.very much. A viewer says, "Watching your piece

:58:26. > :58:27.on President Obama, I wish we had a Prime Minister as charmy, funny and

:58:28. > :58:29.thoughtful as him." On the programme tomorrow,

:58:30. > :58:31.secondary ticketing.