11/01/2017

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello. It's Wednesday.

:00:09. > :00:09.It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:10. > :00:18.Which top British pop artist tickets are being sent directly

:00:19. > :00:20.onto resale ticketing websites at higher prices?

:00:21. > :00:25.We will exclusively reveal who it is at 9.15am.

:00:26. > :00:29.We're guided by our morality and if there is no problem doing that, why

:00:30. > :00:34.don't we know who the artists are? Also today, as President Obama

:00:35. > :00:37.makes his farewell speech to the American people yet more

:00:38. > :00:39.revelations about his successor Obama said he was leaving behind

:00:40. > :00:43.a better and stronger country but he warned there was more work

:00:44. > :00:55.to be done in tackling racism. After my election there was talk of

:00:56. > :00:57.a post-raceal America and such a vision, however well intended, was

:00:58. > :01:00.never realistic. And in an exclusive interview

:01:01. > :01:03.the mum of a little boy who died because medical staff missed key

:01:04. > :01:05.warning signs of his condition, urges other parents to listen

:01:06. > :01:08.to their instincts when they feel something is really

:01:09. > :01:21.wrong with their child. Hello and welcome to the programme,

:01:22. > :01:25.we're live until 11am. There's so much for you to get

:01:26. > :01:31.in touch with today. We are talking about sex education

:01:32. > :01:35.for children this morning, children's charity Barnardos wants

:01:36. > :01:52.to see lessons being made age Would they feel safer with

:01:53. > :01:58.compulsory sex education lessons? That's one of the suggestions from

:01:59. > :02:03.the survey by Barnardo's. Would you welcome extra help in the classroom

:02:04. > :02:08.particularly in the age of social media apps.

:02:09. > :02:12.And secondary ticketing websites, it is a huge issue for you. Our

:02:13. > :02:14.exclusive story this morning. We really want to hear what you think.

:02:15. > :02:19.Our film is coming to you at 9.15am. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:20. > :02:24.we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:02:25. > :02:27.and If you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

:02:28. > :02:31.Donald Trump has dismissed as "fake news" unconfirmed reports

:02:32. > :02:32.in the American media, that Russian intelligence has

:02:33. > :02:34.gathered compromising He's scheduled to hold a rare news

:02:35. > :02:37.conference later today. From Washington, Barbara

:02:38. > :02:38.Plett Usher reports. Mr Trump posted an angry message

:02:39. > :02:41.on his Twitter account Without referring to the media

:02:42. > :02:44.reports, he tweeted, "Fake news, The unverified claims

:02:45. > :02:50.were broadcast by US networks They say Russian spy agencies have

:02:51. > :02:55.embarrassing information about the President-elect

:02:56. > :02:57.that is personally compromising and that the US intelligence

:02:58. > :02:59.services have now informed him privately about the allegations,

:03:00. > :03:01.although they've said Mr Trump had already scandalised

:03:02. > :03:08.Washington by disparaging intelligence assessments

:03:09. > :03:10.that the Kremlin ordered Russian hackers to try to tilt

:03:11. > :03:12.the presidential election He is due to hold a rare

:03:13. > :03:17.news conference today, called to address concerns

:03:18. > :03:19.about his business interests, but this topic will almost

:03:20. > :03:22.certainly dominate. Joanna is in the BBC

:03:23. > :03:25.Newsroom with a summary Barack Obama has delivered his

:03:26. > :03:35.farewell address as US President, telling the American people

:03:36. > :03:37.he believes the country is in a better, stronger place

:03:38. > :03:40.than when he was first elected In an emotional speech in Chicago,

:03:41. > :03:44.he thanked his wife Michelle, his family and staff,

:03:45. > :03:46.as our correspondent Barack Obama returned to Chicago,

:03:47. > :03:52.the place where his political career began to deliver his long

:03:53. > :03:57.planned farewell address. The president used his platform

:03:58. > :03:59.to underline what he sees If I had told you that we would win

:04:00. > :04:08.marriage equality and secure the right to health insurance

:04:09. > :04:10.for another 20 million If I told you all that,

:04:11. > :04:19.you might have said our sights Turning to his theme

:04:20. > :04:31.of what could undermine America's democracy,

:04:32. > :04:32.the nation's first black president was frank

:04:33. > :04:34.about the state of race relations. After my election, there was talk

:04:35. > :04:37.of a post-racial America. Such a vision, however well

:04:38. > :04:43.intended, was never realistic. Race remains a potent and often

:04:44. > :04:54.divisive force in our society. Paying tribute to his wife

:04:55. > :04:57.Michelle and his daughters, For those who had lined up for hours

:04:58. > :05:05.to hear him speak in person, I thought it was very uplifting

:05:06. > :05:09.and it gave us a message of hope and encouragement

:05:10. > :05:11.and it was what we needed We had a tough election and we just

:05:12. > :05:18.need to keep fighting Barack Obama's supporters

:05:19. > :05:26.were heartened by his uplifting message tonight and he leaves office

:05:27. > :05:29.with his personal But that didn't stop the American

:05:30. > :05:32.voters from choosing Donald Trump to replace him and now Barack Obama

:05:33. > :05:35.must watch as Republicans A 15-year-old girl has been

:05:36. > :05:46.charged with the murder Katie Rough died in hospital

:05:47. > :05:50.on Monday after being found with serious injuries near a playing

:05:51. > :05:52.field in the Woodthorpe area. The teenager is due to appear before

:05:53. > :05:55.magistrates' later this morning. Let's go live now to York

:05:56. > :06:10.and our correspondent Fiona Trott. What can you tell us, Fiona? That's

:06:11. > :06:12.right. As you mentioned there, this happened on Monday afternoon about

:06:13. > :06:21.an hour or so after the local schools finished. We understand that

:06:22. > :06:24.Katie Rough was found on or near a playing field. Police say a woman,

:06:25. > :06:28.they believe to be Katie's mother, was in the street, crying, calling

:06:29. > :06:35.out for help, asking people to phone for an ambulance. An ambulance had

:06:36. > :06:39.arrived. Katie Rough was taken to hospital, but died a short time

:06:40. > :06:42.later. North Yorkshire Police say overnight a 15-year-old girl was

:06:43. > :06:46.charged with Katie Rough's murder and because of her young age we're

:06:47. > :06:50.not able to name her, of course, for legal reasons. She has been charged

:06:51. > :06:53.with possessing an offensive weapon and due to appear at York

:06:54. > :06:57.Magistrates' Court in an hour's time. In the meantime, detectives

:06:58. > :07:03.are appealing for anyone who may have seen two girls in the area on

:07:04. > :07:05.Monday afternoon to come forward with information.

:07:06. > :07:10.Thank you, Fiona. An investigation for this programme

:07:11. > :07:12.has found that the management team for a high-profile British singer

:07:13. > :07:14.has been placing tickets for their stadium tour directly

:07:15. > :07:18.onto a resale website. The artist's management team has

:07:19. > :07:20.previously called on the Government to take stronger action

:07:21. > :07:22.against resale sites. Secondary ticketing websites

:07:23. > :07:24.are routinely used by touts to sell We'll have more on this

:07:25. > :07:31.in a few minutes' time. Senior doctors are warning that

:07:32. > :07:34.a shortage of resources may leave the NHS in England unable to cope

:07:35. > :07:37.with this winter's demand. In a letter to Theresa May,

:07:38. > :07:40.the Royal College of Physicians said the quality of patient care

:07:41. > :07:43.is under threat. Charities working with elderly

:07:44. > :07:47.and disabled people have also written to the Prime Minister

:07:48. > :07:49.calling for a long-term solution to funding

:07:50. > :07:51.for health and social care. Here's our Health

:07:52. > :07:55.Correspondent Robert Pigott. The Royal College of Physicians said

:07:56. > :07:58.ambulances queuing outside hospitals were visual testament to the crisis

:07:59. > :08:03.in the NHS. The Royal College, which represents

:08:04. > :08:07.33,000 specialist hospital doctors, said patients faced lengthening

:08:08. > :08:11.waits on lists, on trolleys, in accident and emergency

:08:12. > :08:15.departments and at home. It blamed a shortage of qualified

:08:16. > :08:26.staff, stretched too thin lead Our members fear that people's lives

:08:27. > :08:30.are at risk because they can't get round to see the patients that

:08:31. > :08:33.aren't yet in the emergency department or indeed are waiting

:08:34. > :08:35.for results to come back. Members and fellows have been

:08:36. > :08:38.writing in and our council members specifically have said to me this

:08:39. > :08:41.is the worst they have ever seen. Most urgent, said the doctors,

:08:42. > :08:43.is investment in social care to prevent medically fit patients

:08:44. > :08:45.being trapped in hospitals. In their own letter

:08:46. > :08:50.to the Prime Minister, 75 charities and individuals working

:08:51. > :08:53.in health and social care said there must be a long-term

:08:54. > :08:54.cross-party solution to what they called

:08:55. > :09:00.the crisis in funding. Led by the charity Independent Age,

:09:01. > :09:13.they said: The Department of Health

:09:14. > :09:15.said it had invested ?10 billion to develop health services

:09:16. > :09:17.and relieve pressure on hospitals. And, since last year,

:09:18. > :09:40.had recruited 3,000 extra nurses You can put your questions about the

:09:41. > :09:42.state of the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym. Please get in

:09:43. > :09:45.touch if you have got questions you want to put to him. Text us or send

:09:46. > :09:51.an e-mail or contact us via Twitter. A 29-year-old British

:09:52. > :09:53.woman has been killed and two others are seriously

:09:54. > :09:55.injured, after a light aircraft The plane came down on a remote

:09:56. > :10:00.beach in Central Queensland. The pilot was taken to hospital

:10:01. > :10:02.in a serious condition and a 13-year-old boy has been

:10:03. > :10:06.treated for minor injuries. A jury in the US city of Charleston

:10:07. > :10:10.has sentenced to death a white supremacist who killed

:10:11. > :10:12.nine black churchgoers. 22-year-old Dylann Roof opened fire

:10:13. > :10:15.during a bible study group. He showed no remorse,

:10:16. > :10:18.telling the court he believed he had Melvin Graham, whose sister

:10:19. > :10:41.was killed in the shooting, This is a very hollow victory

:10:42. > :10:45.because my sister is still gone. I wished that this verdict could have

:10:46. > :10:53.brought her back, but it can't, but what it can do is just send a

:10:54. > :10:54.message to those who feel the way he feels that this community will not

:10:55. > :11:05.tolerate it. There is traffic disruption after a

:11:06. > :11:09.lorry overturned on the Forth Road Bridge.

:11:10. > :11:14.It happened in gale force winds. Let's go to our correspondent who is

:11:15. > :11:24.by the Forth Bridge. Dramatic effect of the weather. Tell us more. Can

:11:25. > :11:27.you hear me? PROBLEM WITH SOUND

:11:28. > :11:30.No, I think we've lost her. We will keep you updated and we will have a

:11:31. > :11:35.weather update before 10am. And now take a look at this amazing

:11:36. > :11:37.insight into the daily Scientists fitted a camera

:11:38. > :11:41.to the neck of a female polar bear from the Southern Beaufort Sea,

:11:42. > :11:43.just north of Alaska. The footage gives a bear's-eye

:11:44. > :11:46.view of her feeding, The US Geological Survey hopes it'll

:11:47. > :11:49.help researchers better understand how the animals are coping

:11:50. > :11:55.with declining sea ice levels. That's a summary of

:11:56. > :12:05.the latest BBC News. Thank you very much. Many messages

:12:06. > :12:08.from you about the secondary ticketing websites. Paul says, "The

:12:09. > :12:13.easy answer is don't buy the tickets from the sites then the sellers and

:12:14. > :12:16.artists wouldn't profit." Richard, "Many bands do this because they

:12:17. > :12:21.don't make the money from album sales. Touring equals money."

:12:22. > :12:25.Stephen says, "Pure exploitation in my view. They are in the same

:12:26. > :12:30.category as back street loan sharks." Our exclusive film is

:12:31. > :12:32.coming up. Do get in touch with us

:12:33. > :12:37.throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:12:38. > :12:40.and If you text, you will be charged Let's get some sport

:12:41. > :12:43.with Hugh Ferris. Manchester United won the first leg

:12:44. > :12:46.of their EFL Cup semi-final but the manager has had some words

:12:47. > :12:57.about what he wants from the fans. Jose Mourinho's side

:12:58. > :13:00.were 2-0 winners last night. Second-half goals from Juan Mata

:13:01. > :13:01.and Marouane Fellaini were the difference

:13:02. > :13:03.between the sides. There were some interesting comments

:13:04. > :13:05.from Mourinho after the match. He said he wants more

:13:06. > :13:07.from Manchester United fans. They play arch rivals Liverpool

:13:08. > :13:14.at Old Trafford on Sunday and Mourinho said he wants that

:13:15. > :13:20.to not be a "visit to the theatre", but instead has invited fans

:13:21. > :13:28.to "come and play with us". Now his counterpart Jurgen Klopp

:13:29. > :13:36.is known for this type of rallying call to Liverpool fans -

:13:37. > :13:39.clearly Mourinho wants a bit We've had some news

:13:40. > :13:41.today from the family These comments from his family come

:13:42. > :14:02.after he was injured again They've told the BBC that Blackwell

:14:03. > :14:07.is unable to walk and is a year away The British Boxing Board of Control

:14:08. > :14:11.will hold a hearing today into the unsanctioned sparring

:14:12. > :14:13.session, where they'll hear evidence from the boxer who took part

:14:14. > :14:16.in the session and the trainer But confirmation from

:14:17. > :14:20.Nick Blackwell's family that this We had Jodie Cunddy on the programme

:14:21. > :14:44.yesterday. There's been some criticism from one

:14:45. > :14:54.of our top Paralympians. The event is due to take

:14:55. > :14:56.place in Los Angeles The 14 time Paralympic gold

:14:57. > :15:00.medallist said the governing body the UCI had been warned that such

:15:01. > :15:03.a short notice period would mean some athletes would struggle

:15:04. > :15:05.with finances and visas. The UCI themselves have said that

:15:06. > :15:07.hosting these championships in a post-Paralympic season shows

:15:08. > :15:18.just how far the sport has come. Adele, Elton John,

:15:19. > :15:32.Coldplay and Iron Maiden. Just a few of the artists who have

:15:33. > :15:35.publically said they are anti those resale ticket websites,

:15:36. > :15:37.otherwise known as secondary It's a really profitable industry,

:15:38. > :15:40.worth billions worldwide, and it makes lots of money for touts

:15:41. > :15:43.who routinely use them to sell But in an exclusive investigation

:15:44. > :15:47.for this programme, we've found one British artist who's been putting

:15:48. > :15:50.tickets directly onto secondary ticketing websites at higher prices,

:15:51. > :15:53.for a stadium tour that Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu

:15:54. > :15:57.reveals the identity We suck in this industry

:15:58. > :16:06.at being transparent and we suck at putting back in the business

:16:07. > :16:09.that we take from. Artists are hiding the fact

:16:10. > :16:14.of these tickets and then putting them on secondary,

:16:15. > :16:17.also they just so they don't have to say that they're selling them

:16:18. > :16:19.for more than they're actually The whole thing is

:16:20. > :16:24.starting to go awry. It needs to be stopped,

:16:25. > :16:30.it needs to be stopped now. Greedy people is a

:16:31. > :16:46.fantastic expression. Arts, music and culture

:16:47. > :16:48.contribute billions to the UK And that includes getting one

:16:49. > :16:53.of these to see one of these. And getting tickets at a reasonable

:16:54. > :16:58.price these days isn't always easy. They've been around for a while -

:16:59. > :17:02.resale sites or secondary ticket websites where fans can

:17:03. > :17:09.resell a ticket. At the Q awards back in November,

:17:10. > :17:12.James Bay told the StubHub-sponsored event that secondary

:17:13. > :17:14.ticketing sites suck. Jack Garratt said at the same event

:17:15. > :17:18.that he was only interested in finding the best and cheapest way

:17:19. > :17:23.for fans to see his shows. And we actually can't

:17:24. > :17:28.repeat what Bastille said. Nowadays, a big artist can cut

:17:29. > :17:32.a deal where they get 100% of the ticket price and some

:17:33. > :17:35.of the fees added on for any gig But, if a tout resells those

:17:36. > :17:42.tickets at a higher price, then the artist doesn't get

:17:43. > :17:44.that added profit. Welcome to this special

:17:45. > :17:47.session of the... The lack of transparency

:17:48. > :17:50.about the secondary ticketing market was highlighted

:17:51. > :17:54.by a committee of MPs. Like who is selling these

:17:55. > :17:57.tickets on these sites, and exactly where and how

:17:58. > :18:00.are they getting such large volumes? At the recent Department

:18:01. > :18:05.for Culture, Media and Sport committee hearing, there

:18:06. > :18:08.was an admission from Ticketmaster that an artist is selling tickets

:18:09. > :18:10.directly on their secondary sites Can we read into that, therefore,

:18:11. > :18:17.that if we see a ticket at a considerably inflated price,

:18:18. > :18:26.that the artists have approved that? Have the artist actually allowed

:18:27. > :18:28.for, all given permission, for prices of their tickets

:18:29. > :18:31.at their revenge to be sold We do work with some

:18:32. > :18:34.artists where we offer So we asked Ticketmaster what they

:18:35. > :18:42.meant by dynamic pricing model. They effectively said that

:18:43. > :18:44.if the tickets are selling quickly, But if there isn't much

:18:45. > :18:49.interest in that gig, Which we find has a major impact

:18:50. > :18:53.in terms of the number of tickets that are then resold

:18:54. > :18:57.through the resale sites. So, normally, we would take

:18:58. > :19:00.something like 10% of the best seats And they can be purchased

:19:01. > :19:10.by the Ticketmaster main website. Another slightly

:19:11. > :19:12.confusing statement. So 10% of the best seats stay

:19:13. > :19:15.on the main Ticketmaster website. And we're actually working with one

:19:16. > :19:18.artist at the moment whereby we're actually openly,

:19:19. > :19:22.transparently listing those tickets within Get Me In and Seatwave,

:19:23. > :19:25.and saying these are official artist tickets, through there,

:19:26. > :19:27.because, in that way, you can actually affect the pricing

:19:28. > :19:29.within the resale marketplaces and capture the value

:19:30. > :19:32.from the resale sector, and that goes directly

:19:33. > :19:34.back to the industry. Ticketmaster confirmed

:19:35. > :19:43.to me that that artist Here's a ticket you can buy

:19:44. > :19:52.on Ticketmaster's website. I'm feeling flush, so let's

:19:53. > :19:55.get some good seats. These tickets are direct

:19:56. > :20:10.from the event organiser. Very similar seats, one block over

:20:11. > :20:14.from the stage at ?160 each. It's being sold for the first time

:20:15. > :20:20.on a secondary site. Ticketmaster say these platinum

:20:21. > :20:23.tickets are the best seats in the house, but confirm they come

:20:24. > :20:26.with no extra perks. But there is a ?65 difference

:20:27. > :20:30.between these two very similar seats, even though they both come

:20:31. > :20:34.directly from the event organisers. Now, Robbie and his management

:20:35. > :20:37.aren't doing anything illegal. They're not breaking

:20:38. > :20:42.any laws or any rules. But some people have said

:20:43. > :20:47.that this is just greedy. In 2015, a number of promoters

:20:48. > :20:50.and artists' managers signed an open letter to the government asking them

:20:51. > :20:53.to take a harsher stance Harvey Goldsmith, who has promoted

:20:54. > :20:57.acts like Michael Jackson And we've pointed out

:20:58. > :21:03.another signature. On this letter is IE Management,

:21:04. > :21:06.Robbie Williams' management. Warning the government

:21:07. > :21:12.to take stronger action However, would it surprise

:21:13. > :21:18.you to know that Robbie Williams is currently selling tickets

:21:19. > :21:20.directly on Get Me In and Seatwave as part of a deal with Ticketmaster,

:21:21. > :21:24.him and his management? Isn't it slightly hypocritical

:21:25. > :21:31.to sign a letter publicly saying, we want something to be done

:21:32. > :21:33.about secondary ticketing, and then go and put on tickets

:21:34. > :21:36.on a secondary platform But hopefully most of the people

:21:37. > :21:49.who have signed the petition are acting honourably and do

:21:50. > :21:52.everything that they can do to prevent tickets being sold

:21:53. > :21:57.on the secondary market. The temptation is real,

:21:58. > :22:02.according to Arctic Monkeys manager Ian McAndrew.

:22:03. > :22:06.He talks about his band's tickets, or inventory, as it's

:22:07. > :22:07.called in the industry. I have been often approached by one

:22:08. > :22:15.of the big four resale sites asking to enter into an arrangement

:22:16. > :22:19.where I give them inventory in return for participation

:22:20. > :22:21.in the resale profit. That is a proposal I've refused

:22:22. > :22:26.on a number of occasions. But I can understand how that

:22:27. > :22:30.would be a temptation to some, who want to maximise profits

:22:31. > :22:33.for a show. We also got it confirmed

:22:34. > :22:39.that the company who plays Capital's Summertime

:22:40. > :22:43.and Jingle Bells balls put tickets directly on secondary

:22:44. > :22:44.ticketing site StubHub, but said they did not

:22:45. > :22:47.increase the prices. I just think artists should answer

:22:48. > :22:51.those to the fans more. But I guess when the artists get

:22:52. > :22:55.bigger, they are more removed from their fans,

:22:56. > :22:57.so I think you can more easily We're often guided by morality

:22:58. > :23:03.and if there is no problem doing that, why don't we know

:23:04. > :23:06.who these artists are? Because they are keeping

:23:07. > :23:08.very quiet about it. Ticketmaster said they are being

:23:09. > :23:10.transparent, but it does seem you are paying more for a ticket

:23:11. > :23:14.for no real reason, when you can get And despite numerous

:23:15. > :23:21.requests for a statement, Robbie's management team,

:23:22. > :23:29.IE Music, haven't responded. The secondary ticketing industry

:23:30. > :23:31.is a very lucrative one. So you can understand why people

:23:32. > :23:39.in live entertainment aren't happy when their cut of the pie gets

:23:40. > :23:42.smaller, ie, they don't Touts have been known to target high

:23:43. > :23:49.demand events that are likely to sell out quickly and one way

:23:50. > :23:52.they do that is through sophisticated computer

:23:53. > :23:56.software known as bots. Most tickets go on general sale

:23:57. > :24:03.on a Friday, a peak time for touts. Whilst you're busy sticking

:24:04. > :24:07.in your details, touts have already nabbed all the available tickets

:24:08. > :24:09.with their powerful software Get Me In, Seatwave and StubHub have

:24:10. > :24:18.all said they are very anti the use And this programme has discovered

:24:19. > :24:24.that all those websites own Now it helps touts sell, not buy,

:24:25. > :24:32.huge amounts of tickets. And to get access, touts have

:24:33. > :24:34.to show they've shifted nearly With Ticket Utils, you don't have

:24:35. > :24:39.to sell loads to access it. StubHub's Pro site is designed

:24:40. > :24:43.specifically for the volume seller and, on both,

:24:44. > :24:45.they allow you to sell Get Me In, Seatwave and StubHub have

:24:46. > :24:50.all said they do not check exactly So, if you are anti-bots,

:24:51. > :24:57.why provide specialist software assistance for touts to sell large

:24:58. > :25:05.volumes through your platforms? It is important to make

:25:06. > :25:12.sure that ticket brokers are managing their inventory

:25:13. > :25:14.in a good way. So they are not providing software

:25:15. > :25:17.for ticket brokers to go buy tickets, they're providing software

:25:18. > :25:19.ultimately that's going to give, from their perspective,

:25:20. > :25:21.their fans a better experience Ticketmaster say this software

:25:22. > :25:30.is not available in the UK, while StubHub did not respond

:25:31. > :25:35.to our requests for a statement. The next part of our

:25:36. > :25:37.story comes from Italy. An Italian TV programme

:25:38. > :25:41.was given lots of invoices from Live Nation Italy showing

:25:42. > :25:51.it was secretly selling tens of thousands of tickets at high

:25:52. > :25:53.prices directly on Viagogo In a statement to Billboard

:25:54. > :26:03.magazine, Live Nation Italy said the allegations in the Italian

:26:04. > :26:05.programme relates to a small number of tickets for a handful

:26:06. > :26:07.of international artists. We asked Viagogo for a statement,

:26:08. > :26:10.but got no response. Meet Claudio Trotta, he's a promoter

:26:11. > :26:13.in Italy of lots of artists, It's not so easy

:26:14. > :26:18.to stop all of this. The way it should stop,

:26:19. > :26:26.by my opinion, is you clearly state by law that this type

:26:27. > :26:34.of sale is illegal. Claudio is also the reason

:26:35. > :26:37.these recent headlines rocked the music world,

:26:38. > :26:39.because he took legal action against the unauthorised sale

:26:40. > :26:41.of Bruce Springsteen tickets And, in Italy, they are moving

:26:42. > :26:47.to ban the secondary Here's the ticket you can buy

:26:48. > :26:51.on Ticketmaster's website. We showed what we found two

:26:52. > :26:54.Conservative MP Andrew Bingham, who is part of the committee looking

:26:55. > :26:56.at whether the government should If we had done this interview

:26:57. > :27:03.a couple of years ago, I would have taken a different view,

:27:04. > :27:06.because I was very supportive But I think somebody, or somehow,

:27:07. > :27:11.people have worked a way round of abusing the system and,

:27:12. > :27:14.from the film you've just shown me, it appears that the artists are now

:27:15. > :27:18.also complicit in it as well. So is it any wonder,

:27:19. > :27:20.with all this going on, why you as a fan find it really hard

:27:21. > :27:24.to get your hands on a And to watch that film again -

:27:25. > :27:33.and share it, you can head to our programme page

:27:34. > :27:36.bbc.co.uk/victoria. As you'd expect we asked,

:27:37. > :27:38.Robbie Williams' management team for an comment or interview -

:27:39. > :27:48.so far no response. But Robbie if you're

:27:49. > :27:50.watching Robbie tweet me We also asked Stubhub

:27:51. > :27:54.and Viagogo for a comment - And Ticketmaster tell us 'Platinum

:27:55. > :27:58.tickets are a very small percentage of the best seats in the house that

:27:59. > :28:01.are priced according to demand, in consultation with our clients,

:28:02. > :28:03.the event organisers'. And after ten - we'll be talking

:28:04. > :28:06.to a band member who bought tickets to his own gig back from a secondary

:28:07. > :28:15.ticketing website and re-sold Let's raise these usages, Adam Kirk

:28:16. > :28:20.on Twitter says ripping off your own fans must be the lowest of the low.

:28:21. > :28:23.Rebecca on Facebook, shocking they are pleasing those loyal to them.

:28:24. > :28:30.Too many artists and bands are guilty of this, shame on them.

:28:31. > :28:34.Beyonce tickets were on sale for up to ?900 on a sister site to

:28:35. > :28:39.Ticketmaster, so frustrating. Diane says this happened to me, tickets on

:28:40. > :28:46.sale at 9am, selling out immediately. Redirected to another

:28:47. > :28:53.site, three tickets original price, ?40, with extras, 370 quid. It was a

:28:54. > :28:57.massive mark-up. Keep those coming in. Your reaction to our revelations

:28:58. > :29:04.this morning. Still to come... President Obama has given

:29:05. > :29:06.his farewell speech, while his successor Donald Trump

:29:07. > :29:12.is facing claims that the Russians We will talk about the latest

:29:13. > :29:17.developments with a member of Trump's transition team. Also a

:29:18. > :29:24.Democrat and a leading social media guru. We will talk to a mum who lost

:29:25. > :29:27.her baby to meningitis. She is calling on parents to speak up about

:29:28. > :29:35.their instincts, when it comes to their child's health.

:29:36. > :29:43.Time for the latest headlines. A spokesman for Vladimir Putin has

:29:44. > :29:45.denied allegations that the Kremlin has collected compromising

:29:46. > :29:48.information about the President-elect Donald Trump.

:29:49. > :29:57.Unconfirmed reports have emerged in the Russian media that -- in the

:29:58. > :30:01.American media that Russian intelligence agencies have gathered

:30:02. > :30:03.information on the President-elect. Trump claims that fake news has been

:30:04. > :30:07.published. Barack Obama has delivered his

:30:08. > :30:09.farewell address as US President. In an emotional speech in Chicago,

:30:10. > :30:12.he said he believed the country was in a better, stronger place

:30:13. > :30:15.than when he was first The president admitted progress had

:30:16. > :30:18.not gone far enough, but he called on the American people

:30:19. > :30:21.to put aside their differences and I am asking you to hold fast

:30:22. > :30:25.to that faith written into our founding documents,

:30:26. > :30:28.that idea of whisper by slaves and abolitionists,

:30:29. > :30:31.that spirit sung by immigrants and homesteaders and those

:30:32. > :30:37.who marched for justice. That creed, reaffirmed by those

:30:38. > :30:39.what planted flags from foreign battlefields to the surface

:30:40. > :30:41.of the moon. A creed at the core of every

:30:42. > :30:44.American whose story A 15-year-old girl has been

:30:45. > :31:00.charged with the murder Katie Rough died in hospital

:31:01. > :31:04.on Monday after being found with serious injuries near a playing

:31:05. > :31:10.field in the Woodthorpe area. The teenager is due to appear before

:31:11. > :31:12.magistrates' later this morning. Senior doctors are warning

:31:13. > :31:15.that the crisis in the NHS and social care is putting people's

:31:16. > :31:17.lives at risk. In a letter to Theresa May,

:31:18. > :31:20.the Royal College of Physicians said a shortage of resources means

:31:21. > :31:22.the quality of patient Charities working with elderly

:31:23. > :31:28.and disabled people have also written to the Prime Minister,

:31:29. > :31:31.calling for a long-term solution to funding

:31:32. > :31:33.for health and social care. The Department of Health says it's

:31:34. > :31:35.investing ?10 billion to relieve 20 people have been

:31:36. > :31:41.rescued from the top They were trapped and helped

:31:42. > :31:45.down from the ride at Local media said there were no

:31:46. > :31:49.reports of injuries. It's thought a mechanical

:31:50. > :31:51.problem with a chain That's a summary of

:31:52. > :31:56.the latest BBC News. Manchester United have a 2-0

:31:57. > :32:06.advantage after the first leg of their EFL Cup

:32:07. > :32:09.semi-final against Hull. Goals from Juan Mata

:32:10. > :32:12.and Marouane Fellaini at Old Trafford gave

:32:13. > :32:16.United their ninth win in a row. Boxer Nick Blackwell is a year away

:32:17. > :32:19.from making a full recovery. Blackwell suffered serious

:32:20. > :32:25.head injuries in a fight with Chris Eubank Junior in March

:32:26. > :32:28.last year, but was then injured again in an unsanctioned sparring

:32:29. > :32:35.session in November. Dame Sarah Storey says athletes need

:32:36. > :32:38.to be given more notice, after the Para-track cycling world

:32:39. > :32:40.championships were organised The event is due to take

:32:41. > :32:45.place in Los Angeles British number one Johanna Konta

:32:46. > :32:53.is through to the semi-finals She beat Daria Kasatkina

:32:54. > :32:59.in straight sets. Konta will face former Wimbledon

:33:00. > :33:01.finalist Eugenie Buchard More on those stories after 10am.

:33:02. > :33:09.Good morning. President Barack Obama said goodbye

:33:10. > :33:12.to the American people last night in a dramatic reinterpretation

:33:13. > :33:16.of a presidential farewell address. He discarded the Oval Office

:33:17. > :33:19.or East Room for his last formal set of remarks choosing to travel

:33:20. > :33:21.to Chicago, the city where he declared victory in 2008

:33:22. > :33:24.and 2012, to address a sold-out During the address in Chicago,

:33:25. > :33:29.where he started his political career, Mr Obama began by saying

:33:30. > :33:48.it was the people who had made him My fellow Americans...

:33:49. > :33:54.CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Michelle and I have been so touched

:33:55. > :34:01.by all the well wishes that we've received over the past few weeks,

:34:02. > :34:12.but tonight, tonight it's my turn to say thanks. Whether we have seen eye

:34:13. > :34:19.to eye or really agreed at all, my conversations with you, the American

:34:20. > :34:27.people, in living rooms and in schools, at farms, on factory

:34:28. > :34:31.floors, at diners and on distant military outposts. These

:34:32. > :34:39.conversations are what have kept me honest and kept me inspired and kept

:34:40. > :34:43.me going. And every day I've learned from you. You made me a better

:34:44. > :34:46.president. And you made me a better man.

:34:47. > :34:49.As the President recalled his early political career in Chicago,

:34:50. > :34:51.he brushed aside chats of "four more years" from the crowd.

:34:52. > :34:54.And in his only reference to his successor, he promised

:34:55. > :34:56.a peaceful transition to the new administration

:34:57. > :35:07.So I first came to Chicago when I was in my early 20s and I was still

:35:08. > :35:14.trying to figure out who I was, still searching for a purpose in my

:35:15. > :35:18.life and it was the neighbourhood, not far from here where I began

:35:19. > :35:24.working with church groups in the shadows of closed steel mills. It

:35:25. > :35:29.was on these streets where I witnessed the power of faith and the

:35:30. > :35:41.quiet dignity of working people in the face of struggle and loss. Four

:35:42. > :35:49.more cheers... I can't do that. Four more years. Four more years.

:35:50. > :35:59.In ten days, the world will witness a hallmark of our democracy. Boo

:36:00. > :36:09.boo. No, no, the peaceful transfer of power from one freely elected

:36:10. > :36:11.president to the next. APPLAUSE

:36:12. > :36:15.I committed to president-elect trump that my administration would ensure

:36:16. > :36:23.the smoothest possible transition, just as President Bush, did for me.

:36:24. > :36:28.APPLAUSE Because it is up to all of us to

:36:29. > :36:30.make sure our Government can help us meet the many challenges we still

:36:31. > :36:32.face. With a call for people

:36:33. > :36:36.to continue to believe in bringing about change -

:36:37. > :36:49.and to hold on to the values My fellow Americans it has been the

:36:50. > :36:55.honour of my life to serve you. I won't stop. In fact I will be right

:36:56. > :37:00.there with you as a citizen... APPLAUSE

:37:01. > :37:05.For all my remaining days. But for now, whether you are young or

:37:06. > :37:10.whether you're young at heart, I do have one final ask of you as your

:37:11. > :37:17.president. The same thing I asked when you took a chance on me eight

:37:18. > :37:22.years ago. I'm asking you to believe, not in my ability to bring

:37:23. > :37:30.about change, but in yours. I'm asking you to hold fast to that

:37:31. > :37:41.faith written into our founding documents, that whisper by slaves

:37:42. > :37:43.into our founding documents, that idea of whisper

:37:44. > :37:45.by slaves and abolitionists, that spirit sung by immigrants

:37:46. > :37:47.and homesteaders and those who marched for justice.

:37:48. > :37:49.That creed, reaffirmed by those what planted flags from foreign

:37:50. > :37:51.battlefields to the surface of the moon.

:37:52. > :37:53.A creed at the core of every American whose story

:37:54. > :38:05.Thank you God bless you. May God continue to bless the United States

:38:06. > :38:18.of America. Thank you. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

:38:19. > :38:22.Incoming President Donald Trump holds his first news conference

:38:23. > :38:28.later likely to be dominated by claims that the Russians have

:38:29. > :38:30.compromising material on him which he himself has

:38:31. > :38:34.So, how do Mr Trump and Mr Obama compare not just in policy

:38:35. > :38:36.but style, management and the use of social media?

:38:37. > :38:40.Let's talk now to a member of Donald Trump's transition team,

:38:41. > :38:42.Jan Halper-Hayes, the former chair of Democrats Abroad Margo Miller,

:38:43. > :38:57.Jan, you got Donald Trump to fill out a psychological assessment, why

:38:58. > :39:02.and what did it show? Well, as a psychologist I was bothered that the

:39:03. > :39:06.media were saying he didn't have the right temperament and temperament

:39:07. > :39:09.we're born with and personality is what is shaped with our emotional

:39:10. > :39:17.life, our values, our social environment. And so, I asked him to

:39:18. > :39:20.take the presidential temperament assessment tool that is

:39:21. > :39:26.administered, objectively by another company... Give me some questions

:39:27. > :39:30.that are on it? 41 presidents have been diagnosed by it. You know, it's

:39:31. > :39:35.more that there is a statement and then you have to choose between the

:39:36. > :39:40.words. OK. And based on that it gives you an indication. What kind

:39:41. > :39:47.of statement, can you recall? No, I can't remember. Please, Jan. I can

:39:48. > :39:58.tell you the results of it is that he fell into the same temperament as

:39:59. > :40:02.Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, JFK because they are action or rend

:40:03. > :40:05.tated and Kennedy said, "Do not ask what your country can do for you,

:40:06. > :40:13.but what you can do for your country." Reagan said Mr Gorbachev

:40:14. > :40:18.tear down the world and Trump said, "I'm going to build a wall. A big

:40:19. > :40:21.one with a nice door." How do you compare Barack Obama and Donald

:40:22. > :40:24.Trump as men first of all before we talk about policies? I look at

:40:25. > :40:29.President Obama and the role model that he has been for people in

:40:30. > :40:32.America and people around the world. The relationship between President

:40:33. > :40:36.Obama and his wife, Michelle, the way in which he raised his daughters

:40:37. > :40:39.in the White House, the fact that he is a black man as president of the

:40:40. > :40:44.United States and what that represented, that Michelle Obama is

:40:45. > :40:48.a strong women and who is always looking at the positive and the

:40:49. > :40:51.quote that will go down in history, when they go low, we go high and

:40:52. > :40:54.always looking for the best in people and really trying to empower

:40:55. > :41:00.people and you look at the campaign that started in 2007 and it was very

:41:01. > :41:04.much from the grass-roots up and the way in which the campaign used

:41:05. > :41:06.social media and about empowering as many different people and

:41:07. > :41:10.communicating with as many different segments of the population as

:41:11. > :41:13.possible. Let's have a word about policies before we talk about the

:41:14. > :41:19.social media side of things which is increasingly important. Jan, in

:41:20. > :41:22.terms of Donald Trump, and the forthcoming domestic policies, what

:41:23. > :41:26.would you pick out as being really good domestic policies for the

:41:27. > :41:30.States that he says that he's going to implement? Well, I'm hoping in

:41:31. > :41:35.the repealing of Obamacare, they keep the good aspects of it and then

:41:36. > :41:38.create a more affordable, competitive market. He said he will

:41:39. > :41:41.keep some elements of it having had a conversation with Barack Obama,

:41:42. > :41:45.Margo, what do you say about Obamacare? President Obama has said

:41:46. > :41:49.that if anything can come up with a better system and fix, that can get

:41:50. > :41:52.through Congress, he would support it. It was the best piece of

:41:53. > :41:56.legislation and the most comprehensive piece of legislation

:41:57. > :41:59.to fix a serious problem in America. There were 44 millions Americans who

:42:00. > :42:03.didn't have access to healthcare when Obama took office. It is not

:42:04. > :42:07.perfect. No major piece of legislation is perfect. There are

:42:08. > :42:10.fixes that can be put into place. Congress made that virtually

:42:11. > :42:14.impossible. Donald Trump has more likely Congress on his side. But not

:42:15. > :42:19.necessarily the American people. There are 20 million Americans who

:42:20. > :42:22.have health insurance now. There are all sorts of preexisting conditions

:42:23. > :42:25.that are covered. The insurance company has been silent because they

:42:26. > :42:29.want certainty. We have a system in place now and we don't know what

:42:30. > :42:33.it's going to be replaced with. I want to talk about the relationship

:42:34. > :42:36.with the UK as well. I mean, we're told that the British Prime Minister

:42:37. > :42:41.will be visiting Donald Trump possibly in the spring. How do you

:42:42. > :42:46.envisage this relationship between Donald Trump and Theresa May, the

:42:47. > :42:49.US, and the UK in the future? Donald Trump has shown that he's very

:42:50. > :42:56.forgiving of people that speak badly of him. Such as considering Romney

:42:57. > :43:00.for Secretary of State. People have asked me because Theresa May, you

:43:01. > :43:06.know, said perhaps some disparaging things, will that be an issue. No.

:43:07. > :43:10.When she was Home Secretary? The fact that Barack Obama sent the

:43:11. > :43:14.Winston Churchill bus back to the UK, Donald Trump has come out and

:43:15. > :43:20.asked for it to be returned. And the meeting that he had with Corker,

:43:21. > :43:26.sorry, Boris Johnson had with Senator Bob Corker that the UK will

:43:27. > :43:29.be at the front of the line for the by lateral trade agreements. How do

:43:30. > :43:34.you think the relationship will change, if you think it will between

:43:35. > :43:37.the US and the UK, Marco? It is an incredibly important relationship

:43:38. > :43:40.and I think both governments will do their best to ensure that it

:43:41. > :43:46.continues. Kerry, let's have a look at some of the tweets from both

:43:47. > :43:49.Barack Obama as president and incoming president Donald Trump.

:43:50. > :43:55.Let's look at this one from Trump. This was during the campaign, the

:43:56. > :44:08.presidential campaign. It is about Hillary Clinton:

:44:09. > :44:17.President Obama on Hillary Clinton: What do you think of those two?

:44:18. > :44:22.There is a difference between the way both Trump and Obama use social

:44:23. > :44:28.media. Obama very quickly became digitally savvy and hired a team. So

:44:29. > :44:33.his tweets are very polished, very professional, but we feel he is

:44:34. > :44:38.somewhat removed from them. Whereas trump's Twitter presence, he put out

:44:39. > :44:42.100% of his personality there and embraced the nature of Twitter. So

:44:43. > :44:46.there is a sense of authenticity, and whether or not we like the

:44:47. > :44:49.content of what he shares, we really feel like it's, the American people

:44:50. > :44:53.really feel they get to know him. Yes. Here is another one from Donald

:44:54. > :45:06.Trump. Again it is during the presidential campaign:

:45:07. > :45:12.This one from Obama when he was re-elected. It is a tweet showing a

:45:13. > :45:17.photograph of him hugging his wife. Four more years. I'm not comparing

:45:18. > :45:21.the tweets as like with like. I'm showing the difference in the way

:45:22. > :45:23.they tweet. President Obama's could have been done by his team, as you

:45:24. > :45:37.say. A very different relationship each

:45:38. > :45:43.has the press. Obama using social media as an extension of that. Trump

:45:44. > :45:47.bypassing the press to dictate the headlines himself. I must told you

:45:48. > :45:50.about the claims that the Russians have some sort salacious,

:45:51. > :45:56.compromising material on Donald Trump. Denying it on Twitter,

:45:57. > :46:06.describing it as fake news. How do you react? Buzzfeed said they have

:46:07. > :46:12.this information prior, it is unsubstantiated. The part that I do

:46:13. > :46:21.believe is where they said there was some connection, speaking to Russia,

:46:22. > :46:24.and Trump's presidential campaign. One member was fired because of his

:46:25. > :46:30.connections to the Russians and Ukrainians. That could be accurate.

:46:31. > :46:37.I find it very interesting that now it comes out that there is some

:46:38. > :46:44.disparaging and horrible things, but it had not been released before. Why

:46:45. > :46:49.not? If it is verified, and that is a big if, and it turns out to be

:46:50. > :46:53.true, we find that the nature of these revelations, a lot of

:46:54. > :46:57.speculation online, as you might imagine, will it make any difference

:46:58. > :47:08.to Donald Trump is an incoming president? It depends on what it is.

:47:09. > :47:16.We're told it is of sexual nature. The voters are over that. I am not

:47:17. > :47:19.over it. Because you are a Democrat. It is because of the respect of the

:47:20. > :47:29.office, and what we expect from the President of the United States was

:47:30. > :47:34.if these claims are verified, you are 60-year-old man from you again

:47:35. > :47:40.to have stuff you another proud of, as we have seen. We have seen it,

:47:41. > :47:44.the information was out beforehand, it got lost in the noise in the

:47:45. > :47:55.final days of the election. Why are you smiling? He did not get lost in

:47:56. > :47:58.the final days of the election. WikiLeaks have denied Russia gave

:47:59. > :48:02.them information. The American people needed to have the truth of

:48:03. > :48:08.what was going on behind the scenes in the campaign. I ask, why was it

:48:09. > :48:13.chosen to reveal the Clinton campaign information, and if they

:48:14. > :48:20.have this for so long, how come nobody brought it out with all the

:48:21. > :48:24.fake news issues? This tweet, it is fake news, a political witchhunt, in

:48:25. > :48:34.capital letters. Obviously coming from him. Trying to squash the whole

:48:35. > :48:39.thing. Because of the relationship he has built up with people on

:48:40. > :48:45.Twitter, people will believe what he shares, as opposed to the press, he

:48:46. > :48:49.has managed to distance the press to people, through this fake news

:48:50. > :49:01.story. Thank you very much all of you. You can watch Donald Trump's

:49:02. > :49:03.speech and news conference like this afternoon. Live on the BBC News

:49:04. > :49:05.Channel. Coming up, we'll be speaking

:49:06. > :49:08.to Peter Lawrence, who's daughter Claudia has been missing

:49:09. > :49:09.for eight years. He wants a change in the law,

:49:10. > :49:12.so families can look Gaynor McConnell's baby boy Cayden

:49:13. > :49:24.was born with spina bifida in 2010. At three months old,

:49:25. > :49:26.he was diagnosed with meningitis, But a few months later the illness

:49:27. > :49:33.came back, and he died. His family discovered

:49:34. > :49:35.that he could have been saved, had doctors not missed vital signs

:49:36. > :49:37.about his condition, Cambridge University Hospitals,

:49:38. > :49:45.where Cayden was treated, has accepted his care fell below

:49:46. > :49:50.the standard he was entitled to. We can talk to mum Gaynor McConnell,

:49:51. > :49:55.who is talking in an She's never spoken publicly

:49:56. > :50:00.about this before. Also alongside her is her solicitor

:50:01. > :50:14.Renu Daly from Hudgell Solicitors. Thank you for coming on the

:50:15. > :50:19.programme. Was it clear early on that something was not right when he

:50:20. > :50:28.was born? He was born with a red lump on the bottom of his back.

:50:29. > :50:47.Diagnosed with spina bifida, seeing doctors, routine checks. He had a

:50:48. > :50:53.lung puncture, in the MRI scan, you could see that at the bottom of his

:50:54. > :51:01.spine. We can show that the audience. You can see from the

:51:02. > :51:05.image. At the bottom of the back. You can see the open channel, a hole

:51:06. > :51:11.going from the bottom of the spine to the skin of his bottom. That is

:51:12. > :51:17.when alarm bells should have been ringing with somebody. When there is

:51:18. > :51:37.a tract, there is a 60% chance there will be a termite. -- dermoid. A

:51:38. > :51:44.hole where bacteria can gather. And they missed it. He recovered from

:51:45. > :51:57.meningitis. The utopian home. A normal child. -- you took him home.

:51:58. > :52:01.In November he became very poorly, meningitis the second time, to be

:52:02. > :52:08.honest, it was way too late. He had already gone to that point. He was

:52:09. > :52:13.passed, there was no helping him. Tell our audience how you discovered

:52:14. > :52:19.that vital signs had been missed from that earlier MRI scan? I was

:52:20. > :52:24.asking a lot of questions, constantly I felt I was fobbed off.

:52:25. > :52:29.I felt the only way I could get the answers I needed was through a

:52:30. > :52:35.solicitor. I went there to get the answers I needed. From there, we

:52:36. > :52:41.have the scans, we have seen it all, we notice straightaway. If we

:52:42. > :52:44.noticed, the doctors should notice. Tell us about the legal case you

:52:45. > :52:50.have brought against this particular trust. Gaynor wanted answers, to

:52:51. > :52:56.know what happened to her son. The hospital did not ask any questions

:52:57. > :53:03.she had. We investigated the treatment she had, that he had. It

:53:04. > :53:07.turned out there or failings, and Gaynor has described them perfectly.

:53:08. > :53:13.They failed to explore the tracks, and the fact there might be a

:53:14. > :53:17.dermoid. In all likelihood it was that dermoid that caused the second

:53:18. > :53:21.bout of meningitis. If that had been removed after the first episode, he

:53:22. > :53:25.would never have got the second episode, and would be alive today.

:53:26. > :53:29.The key point is that they missed the open channel on the MRI scan.

:53:30. > :53:32.Had they seen that, that would have set alarm bells ringing them that

:53:33. > :53:40.they would have done further exploratory surgery, and potentially

:53:41. > :53:45.found that dermoid Juma, which could harbour bacteria and meningitis. How

:53:46. > :53:49.many years did it take to get that answer? It is taken four years of

:53:50. > :53:54.investigation, it is the determination of Gaynor to stick

:53:55. > :53:59.with it. Many people have said, it is time to move on. Let go of your

:54:00. > :54:04.son. She has been absolutely determined from day one she wanted

:54:05. > :54:09.her answers. It was only a few weeks ago that the trust admitted

:54:10. > :54:13.liability, and that he would not have got meningitis second time

:54:14. > :54:18.around. Had it not been for their failings. It is taken that long, and

:54:19. > :54:19.that level of determination from a mum to find out what happened to her

:54:20. > :54:22.son. In a statement, a Cambridge

:54:23. > :54:24.University Hospitals "A formal apology has been made

:54:25. > :54:32.by the Trust to Cayden's family and we are working closely

:54:33. > :54:43.with the family's solicitor There was no letter directed to me

:54:44. > :54:48.or my family, they were sorry for what happened was at the bottom of

:54:49. > :54:55.the letter, not directed at me or my family, or anyone else involved. Is

:54:56. > :55:00.that something you want? Yes, of course, I think I deserve that, my

:55:01. > :55:03.family deserve that. To know that my little boy went through so much

:55:04. > :55:08.pain, so many different things he went through. He deserves the

:55:09. > :55:14.apology. It is heartbreaking, not fair what he went through. The least

:55:15. > :55:19.we deserve an apology. After four years, to finally acknowledge that

:55:20. > :55:26.the SP standard of care your little boy received was way below what he

:55:27. > :55:32.should expected, how did you react? I always knew, that was the reason I

:55:33. > :55:36.wanted to pursue it. A lot of parents are constantly being fobbed

:55:37. > :55:41.off. Getting told something, they have to take that as the final

:55:42. > :55:46.answer. No, they don't. Nobody knows their child better than the parents

:55:47. > :55:49.or carers. If you have any questions, keep pushing, keep

:55:50. > :55:52.pushing until you get the answer you want this they be afraid to keep

:55:53. > :55:57.asking. That is your message to parents. But you do keep pushing.

:55:58. > :56:02.You still did not get those answers. You have them now. Eventually I did.

:56:03. > :56:08.That is the most heartbreaking thing. It has taken going to

:56:09. > :56:11.solicitors, to get the answers I needed when they couldn't quite

:56:12. > :56:17.easily given me the answers themselves. How do you remember your

:56:18. > :56:22.little boy? He was a beautiful little boy, happy, no matter what he

:56:23. > :56:28.went through, always smiling. A typical little boy. Beautiful little

:56:29. > :56:34.boy. Thank you for talking, in your first interview. We appreciate you

:56:35. > :56:40.coming on. Thank you for your message to parents. Still to come,

:56:41. > :56:45.more on our main story about secondary ticketing. We will speak

:56:46. > :56:46.to the lead singer of a band who has actually campaigned against the

:56:47. > :56:48.practice. Let's get the latest weather

:56:49. > :57:01.update - with Carol. There certainly is a lot of weather.

:57:02. > :57:06.Very strong winds, gusting over 120 mph overnight over the Cairngorms.

:57:07. > :57:12.Even across northern Scotland we had gusts of 70 miles an hour. Looking

:57:13. > :57:17.at over 50 odd as we push over southern Scotland and northern

:57:18. > :57:20.England. Still very gusty. For the next few days, sleet and snow

:57:21. > :57:27.reintroduced into the forecast. Already happening at the moment. Icy

:57:28. > :57:32.roads, Gaels three today. If you are travelling, bear that in mind, if

:57:33. > :57:36.you are in a high sided vehicles. We also have wintry showers packing in

:57:37. > :57:41.across Scotland, not just the hills, but some getting down to lower

:57:42. > :57:46.levels. A wintry flavour across northern England and also Northern

:57:47. > :57:51.Ireland. Coupled with the wind, some treacherous conditions, blizzards

:57:52. > :57:55.across the Scottish mountains. Sunshine in between the showers and

:57:56. > :57:59.as we come further south. Maximum temperatures to date. As we go

:58:00. > :58:04.through the day they are going down. A risk of ice overnight on untreated

:58:05. > :58:07.surfaces. Heavier and more frequent showers coming across Scotland,

:58:08. > :58:12.Northern Ireland and northern England. Some across the hills of

:58:13. > :58:16.Wales. Also looking at the next system coming in from the

:58:17. > :58:22.south-west. This system will bring us some snow as it engages with the

:58:23. > :58:24.cold air, pulling in the north-westerly wind, readily turning

:58:25. > :58:30.into snow for some even at lower levels. First thing in the morning

:58:31. > :58:34.bringing a lot of rain, as it drifts from the west to the east, some of

:58:35. > :58:41.the rain being heavy, leading to surface water flooding. Hill snow

:58:42. > :58:45.across the hills of Wales. The wind changes to a north-westerly, the

:58:46. > :58:50.cold air feeding in. From Hampshire towards the watch, at all points

:58:51. > :58:56.south-east, at risk of sleet and snow. Locally two, to five

:58:57. > :59:01.centimetres. As much as ten centimetres. That area could change.

:59:02. > :59:06.Do not make this the last weather forecast you watch. In the northern

:59:07. > :59:11.half of the country, Scotland, Northern Ireland, England, a lot of

:59:12. > :59:15.wintry showers, even at lower levels, some bright spells of

:59:16. > :59:22.sunshine. The winds slowly easing, still feeling cold wherever you are.

:59:23. > :59:26.A risk of ice. Temperatures in Aberdeen, one. Manchester, three.

:59:27. > :59:32.Adding on the wind-chill, minus four, or freezing. Getting the

:59:33. > :59:38.message it is going to be cold. Thursday night, Frost. Especially

:59:39. > :59:45.ice. Travelling thirsting on Friday morning, watch out for that. We're

:59:46. > :59:48.getting this little run bringing the risk of snow down the east coast of

:59:49. > :59:54.England, possibly into the London area while that clears away. Left

:59:55. > :59:57.with a straight northerly, cold direction through Friday, likely to

:59:58. > :00:03.see wintry showers across the East Coast. That is whipping up some

:00:04. > :00:06.large waves. Also the risk of some localised coastal flooding across

:00:07. > :00:18.some areas in eastern England. More tomorrow.

:00:19. > :00:27.We'll have more on secondary ticketing websites, and we'll be

:00:28. > :00:32.talking to Josh Franceschi from the band You Me at Six,

:00:33. > :00:41.as well as the music journalist Lauren Page.

:00:42. > :00:54.We will speak to Peter Lawrence, who's daughter Claudia has been

:00:55. > :00:58.He is calling for a change in the law to allow relatives

:00:59. > :01:00.of missing people to take legal control of their affairs.

:01:01. > :01:02.The charity Banardo's is calling for the Government to introduce

:01:03. > :01:04.compulsory age appropriate sex and relationships education.

:01:05. > :01:12.We'll be speaking to an MP who campaigns on the subject.

:01:13. > :01:15.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:16. > :01:18.The Kremlin has dismissed reports that it has compromising information

:01:19. > :01:21.about US President-elect Donald Trump.

:01:22. > :01:24.Unconfirmed reports have emerged in the American media that Russian

:01:25. > :01:26.intelligence agencies have damaging information about Mr Trump's

:01:27. > :01:30.In a tweet, Mr Trump denounced the reports

:01:31. > :01:38.Barack Obama has delivered his farewell address as US President.

:01:39. > :01:41.In an emotional speech in Chicago, he said he believed the country

:01:42. > :01:43.was in a better, stronger place than when he was first

:01:44. > :01:46.The President admitted progress had not gone far enough,

:01:47. > :01:49.but he called on the American people to put aside their differences and

:01:50. > :02:01.I'm asking you to hold fast to that faith written into our founding

:02:02. > :02:04.by slaves documents, that idea of whisper

:02:05. > :02:07.by slaves and abolitionists, that spirit sung by immigrants

:02:08. > :02:11.and homesteaders and those who marched for justice.

:02:12. > :02:17.That creed, reaffirmed by those what planted flags from foreign

:02:18. > :02:19.battlefields to the surface of the moon.

:02:20. > :02:22.A creed at the core of every American whose story

:02:23. > :02:32.A 15-year-old girl has been charged with the murder

:02:33. > :02:36.Katie Rough died in hospital on Monday after being found

:02:37. > :02:39.with serious injuries near a playing field in the Woodthorpe area.

:02:40. > :02:44.The teenager is due to appear before magistrates' later this morning.

:02:45. > :02:50.An investigation for this programme has found that the management team

:02:51. > :02:52.for a high-profile British singer has been placing tickets

:02:53. > :02:55.for their stadium tour directly onto a resale website.

:02:56. > :02:58.The artist's management team has previously called on the Government

:02:59. > :03:01.to take stronger action against resale sites.

:03:02. > :03:03.Secondary ticketing websites are routinely used by touts to sell

:03:04. > :03:18.We'll have more on this in a few minutes' time.

:03:19. > :03:19.20 people have been rescued from the top

:03:20. > :03:23.They were trapped and helped down from the ride at

:03:24. > :03:27.Local media said there were no reports of injuries.

:03:28. > :03:28.It's thought a mechanical problem with a chain

:03:29. > :03:36.Now take a look at this amazing insight into the daily

:03:37. > :03:40.Scientists fitted a camera to the neck of a female polar bear

:03:41. > :03:42.from the Southern Beaufort Sea, just north of Alaska.

:03:43. > :03:44.The footage gives a bear's-eye view of her feeding,

:03:45. > :03:48.The US Geological Survey hopes it'll help researchers better understand

:03:49. > :03:50.how the animals are coping with declining sea ice levels.

:03:51. > :03:52.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:03:53. > :04:04.Thank you for your comments on secondary ticketing sites and our

:04:05. > :04:10.revelations about Robbie Williams' management team sending the tickets

:04:11. > :04:15.to resale sites. Steve says, "Supply and demand wins. People don't have

:04:16. > :04:20.to pay the inflated prices." Lee says, "How many fans are happy to

:04:21. > :04:25.download albums for free?" Brian says, "Where does the ticket market

:04:26. > :04:30.make it awkward for everyone? Let the main ticket sales do the

:04:31. > :04:36.selling, not the secondary sites." Ian says, "Those who pay the

:04:37. > :04:38.inflated prices have more money than sense."

:04:39. > :04:40.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

:04:41. > :04:44.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:04:45. > :04:47.Jose Mourinho has told Manchester United supporters that

:04:48. > :04:50.wants them to "come and play with us", when his side take

:04:51. > :04:53.Mourinho urged fans to not regard the match

:04:54. > :04:59.He was speaking after his side's 2-0 win in the first leg of the EFL Cup

:05:00. > :05:01.Goals from Juan Mata and Marouane Fellaini

:05:02. > :05:04.were the difference between the sides.

:05:05. > :05:08.Liverpool face Southampton in the other semi-final tonight.

:05:09. > :05:11.Jurgen Klopp was criticised for the young team he fielded

:05:12. > :05:14.in the FA Cup, but is expected to bring back his big

:05:15. > :05:22.As long as you are involved, it is the most important Cup,

:05:23. > :05:29.So that's how we see it and so, Southampton, for example,

:05:30. > :05:32.if you want to talk about intensity, they had a more intense time

:05:33. > :05:35.than we had so there is no advantage for one side.

:05:36. > :05:40.The family of boxer Nick Blackwell have told the BBC

:05:41. > :05:43.he's unable to walk and it'll be a year before

:05:44. > :05:47.Blackwell was put in an induced coma after suffering severe

:05:48. > :05:49.head injuries in a fight with Chris Eubank Junior last March.

:05:50. > :05:52.He then went on to take part in an unsanctioned sparring

:05:53. > :05:54.session in November which left him in a coma

:05:55. > :06:02.14-time Paralympic gold medallist Dame Sarah Storey says athletes

:06:03. > :06:04.deserve a lot more time to prepare for the Para-cycling Track

:06:05. > :06:13.The UCI announced yesterday the event would take place

:06:14. > :06:15.in Los Angeles from 2nd March - just seven weeks away.

:06:16. > :06:18.Storey says she's been pressing for a date to be named

:06:19. > :06:22.UCI president Brian Cookson has defended the decision saying that

:06:23. > :06:23.holding the championships for the first time in

:06:24. > :06:28.a post-Paralympic season signifies "notable progress".

:06:29. > :06:34.We're unlikely to ever see Rory McIlroy compete at the Olympics.

:06:35. > :06:36.The world number two in golf pulled out of the Rio Games,

:06:37. > :06:39.and has said he probably won't take part in Tokyo 2020 either.

:06:40. > :06:42.The fact that he could represent either Great Britain or Ireland

:06:43. > :06:54.More and more likely than not I won't be playing

:06:55. > :06:58.Just because of my personal feelings towards, not the Olympic Games,

:06:59. > :07:01.I think they are great and I think golf included in the Olympics

:07:02. > :07:04.is fantastic, but just for me, it's something I don't want to get

:07:05. > :07:08.Johanna Konta is through to the semi-finals of

:07:09. > :07:09.the Sydney International after beating Daria Kasatkina

:07:10. > :07:13.The British number one had to come from behind in the second set

:07:14. > :07:17.Konta will play former Wimbledon finalist Eugenie Buchard

:07:18. > :07:22.Dan Evans came through three sets against Marcel Granollers

:07:23. > :07:38.Joe Marlow will miss the first of England's Six Makeses matches. The

:07:39. > :07:43.prop has been ruled out in the match against France after breaking his

:07:44. > :07:50.leg before Harlequins match at Sale at the weekend.

:07:51. > :07:54.The headlines are coming up later on. For now, Victoria, it's back to

:07:55. > :08:03.you. Robbie Williams management team have

:08:04. > :08:13.yet to very respond to the fact that tickets are being sent to them to

:08:14. > :08:21.resale websites. Robbie if you're watching, get in touch with us.

:08:22. > :08:23.Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu's been looking into this one.

:08:24. > :08:26.There are more and more sites where you can get hold of a ticket

:08:27. > :08:29.for a gig or a show, but it seems it's getting more

:08:30. > :08:31.and more difficult to get one at a reasonable price.

:08:32. > :08:34.And that could be down to the proliferation of resale

:08:35. > :08:35.sites, or secondary ticketing websites where fans

:08:36. > :08:39.Have the artists actually allowed for, or given permission,

:08:40. > :08:41.for prices of their tickets at their events to be sold

:08:42. > :08:46.But it seems it's not just the fans uploading tickets on to these sites,

:08:47. > :08:50.as highlighted recently by a committee of MPs.

:08:51. > :08:56.We're actually working with one artist at the moment

:08:57. > :08:57.whereby we're openly, transparently listing

:08:58. > :08:59.those tickets within Get Me In and Seatwave,

:09:00. > :09:01.saying, these are the official artist tickets.

:09:02. > :09:05.Ticketmaster confirmed to me that that artist

:09:06. > :09:11.Here is a ticket you can buy on Ticketmaster's website.

:09:12. > :09:13.I'm feeling flush, so let's get some good seats.

:09:14. > :09:22.These tickets are direct from the event organiser,

:09:23. > :09:29.very similar seats, one block over from the stage, at ?160 each.

:09:30. > :09:38.It's being sold for the first time on a secondary site.

:09:39. > :09:40.Ticketmaster say these platinum tickets are the best seats

:09:41. > :09:43.in the house, but confirmed they come with no extra perks.

:09:44. > :09:46.But there is a ?65 difference between these two very similar

:09:47. > :09:49.seats, even though they both come directly from the event organisers.

:09:50. > :09:56.Now, Robbie and his management aren't doing anything illegal.

:09:57. > :09:58.They're not breaking any laws or any rules.

:09:59. > :10:00.But some people have said that this is just greedy.

:10:01. > :10:04.In 2015, a number of promoters and artists' managers signed an open

:10:05. > :10:06.letter to the Government asking them to take a harsher stance

:10:07. > :10:10.Harvey Goldsmith, who has promoted acts like Michael Jackson

:10:11. > :10:12.had Madonna, signed it, and we pointed out

:10:13. > :10:20.I think it is wrong, but, hopefully, most of the people who have signed

:10:21. > :10:23.the petition are acting honourably and do everything that they can do

:10:24. > :10:29.to prevent tickets being sold on the secondary market.

:10:30. > :10:35.Ticketmaster say they are being transparent, but it does seem

:10:36. > :10:38.you're paying more for a ticket for no real reason, when you can get

:10:39. > :10:41.And despite numerous requests for a statement,

:10:42. > :10:46.Robbie's management team, IE Music, haven't responded.

:10:47. > :10:50.And to watch that film in full and share it you can head to our

:10:51. > :10:54.Obviously we asked Robbie Williams' management team

:10:55. > :10:57.for an comment or interview and so far no response.

:10:58. > :10:59.We also asked Stubhub and Viagogo for a comment -

:11:00. > :11:03.And Ticketmaster tell us, "Platinum tickets are a very small

:11:04. > :11:05.percentage of the best seats in the house that are priced

:11:06. > :11:07.according to demand, in consultation with our clients,

:11:08. > :11:13.Let's talk to Josh Franceschi, lead singer from the band

:11:14. > :11:19.You Me At Six and music journalist Lauren Page.

:11:20. > :11:25.Welcome both of you. Josh, your reaction, what do you think of

:11:26. > :11:30.Robbie Williams' tickets being placed directly on to resale

:11:31. > :11:35.websites by his team? I am surprised to hear that, but you know, I feel

:11:36. > :11:38.that maybe they thought they would get away with it, but I think Robbie

:11:39. > :11:42.Williams at the level he's at doesn't need the money, he doesn't

:11:43. > :11:46.need the extra money. I'm surprised that he's going down that route, but

:11:47. > :11:51.at the same time, you know, that's their choice, but this is what this

:11:52. > :11:53.whole fight is about, if we were to eliminate the secondary websites

:11:54. > :11:56.then we wouldn't behaving this conversation anyway. When you say,

:11:57. > :12:00.they probably thought they could get away with it, they're not doing

:12:01. > :12:08.anything illegal? Nothing illegal, but you are already charging ?95 for

:12:09. > :12:12.a show as the promotional video revealed beforehand, this is only

:12:13. > :12:17.seats one block over, how can you charge an extra ?60 for that? I

:12:18. > :12:22.don't understand. How would you describe that behaviour then?

:12:23. > :12:30.Greedy. Simple as that? Simple as that, it is greedy. Your ticket is

:12:31. > :12:38.?95 and you're playing Wembley Stadium. You bought tickets back

:12:39. > :12:42.interest a secondary website and sold them yourself to the fans? The

:12:43. > :12:45.relationship between the artist and the fans need to be respected and I

:12:46. > :12:49.think it needs to be nurtured and I feel that, you know, without our

:12:50. > :12:53.fanbase I wouldn't be sitting talking to you with a number one

:12:54. > :12:58.midweek album. So, it is very important to us that our fans know

:12:59. > :13:04.we value their support. But more over than that, I think, for there

:13:05. > :13:07.to be transparency, this sort of engagement is really critical for

:13:08. > :13:10.the trust to continue to build and for everyone to move forward, you

:13:11. > :13:14.know, in a good way. Lauren, what do you think of our revelations today?

:13:15. > :13:17.I'm really surprised to be honest. I mean like Josh just said, you're

:13:18. > :13:22.Robbie Williams, you don't need the extra money. Especially, what

:13:23. > :13:24.difference is what Robbie's management doing any different to

:13:25. > :13:28.the ticket touts that are putting the tickets on other websites and

:13:29. > :13:32.charging considerably more? It can't be one rule for one and one for

:13:33. > :13:37.another. Robbie and the touts are on the same level here. Well, it is not

:13:38. > :13:42.Robbie himself, it is the team. He may have no idea what his team are

:13:43. > :13:46.doing. It would be really to go to see how he reacts. We're on air for

:13:47. > :13:50.another hour. I'd love him to get in touch and we can talk to him, but

:13:51. > :13:54.even at these higher prices, this is what a lot of our audience are

:13:55. > :14:00.saying, even at the higher prices, there is a demand, so shouldn't we

:14:01. > :14:06.leave it to the market? I guess you're always going to go and see

:14:07. > :14:10.your favourite artist fine. Sometimes I consider thinking I

:14:11. > :14:14.might have to pay a bit extra, but for the ex-at any time that this

:14:15. > :14:18.revelation that's come out today, ?60 plus for a few rows away, the

:14:19. > :14:22.marred account, they want the tickets, but is it really OK to be

:14:23. > :14:26.telling people that are true fans right, you can't go to this gig

:14:27. > :14:32.because you can't afford it, but we'll hike the prices and see if

:14:33. > :14:36.you're a proper fan or not. Artists want true fans at their gigs and

:14:37. > :14:40.this isn't right. What do you think about the principle of secondary

:14:41. > :14:43.ticket sites. Look, you are a fan, you've got a ticket, you break your

:14:44. > :14:48.leg and you can't go, here is a website to help you resell it?

:14:49. > :14:51.Whether it is maybe you're ill or broken your leg and you can't go, I

:14:52. > :14:54.understand when people need to shift their tickets and sell them on to

:14:55. > :14:59.someone else to save like a really good ticket going to waste. But I

:15:00. > :15:04.think then if people are maybe charging ?1 or ?2 to cover the

:15:05. > :15:07.postage of the ticket, maybe some insurance so it can be tracked when

:15:08. > :15:12.it is sent to them, that's OK, but the secondary sites when they are

:15:13. > :15:15.telling tickets ?50 or ?60 more, I don't agree with that. Let me read

:15:16. > :15:21.comments from people watching you talk about this. Aaron says, "Don't

:15:22. > :15:26.buy the resale tickets. If artists find themselves performing in half

:15:27. > :15:34.empty arenas, they will do something about it." Is that true? That's

:15:35. > :15:39.fair. I agree that you know really, you know, genuine artists want

:15:40. > :15:43.genuine fans at their shows. All we want when we perform is to see,

:15:44. > :15:46.we're making a positive difference to and people are enjoying

:15:47. > :15:50.themselves and they are using it as a release, it is difficult when a

:15:51. > :15:54.show is half sold or not full capacity because it is more

:15:55. > :15:58.difficult to get the atmosphere going and yeah, I agree with that

:15:59. > :16:02.statement, definitely. If the show is half sold then you have to drop,

:16:03. > :16:07.as the artist, as the artist's team, you have to drop the prices, don't

:16:08. > :16:17.you? Yeah, I mean, I guess so, but at the same time it is not fair on

:16:18. > :16:22.the people that have bought the tickets already. Robbie Williams

:16:23. > :16:26.tickets are ?95 in stadium. We're talking about Wembley Stadium and

:16:27. > :16:30.we're talking about multiple nights. I went to some Wembley Stadium shows

:16:31. > :16:33.this summer which were not sold out, or because of the secondary

:16:34. > :16:36.ticketing market we have been discussing, you know, it has been

:16:37. > :16:40.suffering because of that, it was a shame because the shows the artists

:16:41. > :16:43.were putting on were great, but when you look around, there is 30,000

:16:44. > :16:46.empty seats, it makes a difference to the evening, definitely. This

:16:47. > :16:50.comment from Matt on Facebook, "I wanted to take my wife to see Phil

:16:51. > :16:55.Collins. Tickets were gone in ten minutes. Face value for front row

:16:56. > :17:01.seats were ?150, you couldn't get a ticket on a sister site for less

:17:02. > :17:04.than ?1,000." Right, Josh, what's your plan, your solution? What would

:17:05. > :17:10.you do about the secondary ticketing sites? My solution would be for the

:17:11. > :17:15.primary websites to put their name on this and say look, you know we

:17:16. > :17:19.understand that we need to understand our market and understand

:17:20. > :17:26.the sort of ethical and moral obligations that we have towards

:17:27. > :17:31.music lovers. And I would really encourage them to

:17:32. > :17:37.not work with secondary websites especially if they own them to shut

:17:38. > :17:42.them down. It is about access. We need to make it transparent and fair

:17:43. > :17:45.playing field for everybody. We can't have that when people can sell

:17:46. > :17:49.the tickets for Phil Collins for ?1,000. That's just ridiculous. The

:17:50. > :17:52.money is not going to the artist. That's not what it is about, but it

:17:53. > :17:55.is because the money is leaving the industry and it is not being pumped

:17:56. > :18:01.back into it. What's the point really?

:18:02. > :18:12.This is due you have a solution, Lauren? -- do you have a solution?

:18:13. > :18:16.Yes, we need to get true fans of the gates, fans are desperate to see

:18:17. > :18:20.certain acts, they will go on to websites and buy the tickets. It is

:18:21. > :18:25.finding the good level between people using secondary sites, and

:18:26. > :18:29.abusing them to make a profit, and people who need to get rid of their

:18:30. > :18:36.ticket for a little bit more. To cover the cost of postage and things

:18:37. > :18:42.like that. Thank you for coming onto the programme.

:18:43. > :18:49.Your views are welcome. So many messages from you. Gareth says it is

:18:50. > :18:55.not so much the prices, but it is the autobox grabbing tickets on

:18:56. > :18:57.launch that spoiler for Joe Public. Why can't we go back to venue only

:18:58. > :19:00.selling tickets. Does sex education in

:19:01. > :19:03.schools need an overhaul? We'll be speaking to an MP

:19:04. > :19:06.who believes it should be provided Families of missing people

:19:07. > :19:13.are calling for a change in the law so that they can take charge

:19:14. > :19:16.of their loved one's affairs Hundreds of thousands of people go

:19:17. > :19:20.missing in the UK every year - many of them are found,

:19:21. > :19:22.but hundreds remain missing But have you ever thought

:19:23. > :19:26.about what happens to the life left What happens to their home,

:19:27. > :19:30.their belongings? The father of York chef

:19:31. > :19:32.Claudia Lawrence says he was astonished to find

:19:33. > :19:35.he was blocked from managing his daughter's affairs

:19:36. > :19:43.after she went missing in 2009. He's spearheading the call

:19:44. > :19:48.for a change in the law to allow a relative to be appointed legal

:19:49. > :19:51.guardian of a missing Let's talk now to Peter Lawrence,

:19:52. > :19:56.the father of Claudia Lawrence, a chef at the University of York

:19:57. > :20:01.who went missing in 2009. And Susannah Drury from

:20:02. > :20:21.the charity Missing People. Peter, how are you? Tawalo audience

:20:22. > :20:25.about the issue. Can I start off when Claudia, my daughter went

:20:26. > :20:30.missing in March 2000 nine. Literally a few weeks after she went

:20:31. > :20:35.missing, I realise there is no law in this country which allows the

:20:36. > :20:41.families of those who go missing to deal with all the things you and I

:20:42. > :20:47.do every day. Mortgages, insurance, bank accounts, direct debits.

:20:48. > :20:51.Everything else we take for granted. You cannot do, the banks, the

:20:52. > :20:57.building societies, insurance companies quite rightly say I'm

:20:58. > :21:01.sorry, you are not our customer. We cannot take instructions. They want

:21:02. > :21:07.to help, they have been supportive of this. They cannot at the moment.

:21:08. > :21:14.That is why I have been campaigning about this for a long time. In terms

:21:15. > :21:20.of the practical things you wanted to do on behalf of your daughter.

:21:21. > :21:24.She was 35 when she went missing. She had mortgage, bank accounts,

:21:25. > :21:32.car, all the bills going with an adult life. You have to do with

:21:33. > :21:39.that. Some things you can obviously cope with. I would not say deal with

:21:40. > :21:51.properly. Some things you cannot. As an example, Claudia had a savings

:21:52. > :21:55.account which matured a year after she went missing. It has been

:21:56. > :22:01.sitting there losing money because the bank cannot allow it to be

:22:02. > :22:09.reinvested in the reference in order for you to have access to areas of

:22:10. > :22:15.your daughter's life... You need this law or you could apply for a

:22:16. > :22:21.death certificate. We could, but we're not ready to do that. A lot of

:22:22. > :22:26.people are not in that position. About 2500 families who are

:22:27. > :22:32.suffering from this problem at the moment. At any one time. Give us

:22:33. > :22:37.some insight why you do not want to apply for a death certificate? And

:22:38. > :22:42.we still have hope that Claudia may be alone. That is why we don't want

:22:43. > :22:47.to go down the course at the moment. Even though it I have very much

:22:48. > :22:53.promoted the presumption of death built into legislation two or three

:22:54. > :23:00.years ago. It was not personal, it was because I am able to speak for

:23:01. > :23:08.me and talk in public, which is the my whole life really. Doing this

:23:09. > :23:15.largely for other people. Sue, how much is this an issue for those who

:23:16. > :23:20.go missing in their families? At the charity Missing People we know there

:23:21. > :23:23.are around 2500 families who can benefit from this guardianship

:23:24. > :23:28.powers, which we have been campaigning for. This law is needed

:23:29. > :23:34.so urgently, many families like Peter have been waiting many years

:23:35. > :23:37.for the right to be able to step in and look after their loved 1's

:23:38. > :23:40.property. Of course, with every month that passes, more and more

:23:41. > :23:47.families find themselves in this horrendous situation. In some cases

:23:48. > :23:50.it can be a part that goes missing, leaving behind someone with

:23:51. > :23:56.children, the arrangement weather has to be two signatures where you

:23:57. > :24:00.can access accounts. Absolutely we have worked with a woman whose

:24:01. > :24:07.husband went missing, unfortunately she described it as becoming like

:24:08. > :24:10.single-parent overnight. Still the same bills and mortgages. Because it

:24:11. > :24:15.has been organising mortgage, without his signature she was unable

:24:16. > :24:20.to change the terms and conditions of the mortgage, payments, or sell

:24:21. > :24:27.the house. Which understandably quite quickly became unaffordable.

:24:28. > :24:32.She was fortunate enough for her family to be able to step in and

:24:33. > :24:35.help her out financially. Otherwise it would have been likely she would

:24:36. > :24:41.have lost her home for her and her son. Are the family still helping

:24:42. > :24:48.her out? That is the only option for families to do. Unless, the families

:24:49. > :24:56.want to go down the line of apply to have the loved one presumed dead.

:24:57. > :24:59.When a family hopes are believed -- hopes and believes they are still

:25:00. > :25:03.alive, it is not a path they want to take. Tell us about the specifics in

:25:04. > :25:09.the change in legislation you would like to see? The idea is very

:25:10. > :25:14.similar to a power of attorney, which a lot of people would be

:25:15. > :25:20.familiar with. Once someone has been missing for 90 days, not just a

:25:21. > :25:25.short thing, someone in the family will be able to apply to a High

:25:26. > :25:30.Court judge, and say we really need to be able to look after our

:25:31. > :25:37.daughter's or husband's affairs. Please appointed me as her guardian

:25:38. > :25:41.to enable me to do that. If the judge agrees, he will issue a

:25:42. > :25:47.certificate which can be produced to the bank, building society insurance

:25:48. > :25:52.company, or anybody else involved. They will then treat you as their

:25:53. > :25:55.customer. How would a judge make that decision? What sort of

:25:56. > :26:08.documentation would you have to provide? You have to show you are a

:26:09. > :26:12.member of the family, the person has been missing for 90 days, not

:26:13. > :26:17.difficult, almost inevitably it will have been reported to the police.

:26:18. > :26:24.You don't have to show you are suitable person. Let me ask about

:26:25. > :26:29.safeguards. What kind of safeguards would there be so a judge could be

:26:30. > :26:36.sure they would be guardian was acting in the best interests of

:26:37. > :26:41.either the person giving missing or those left behind? Absolutely very

:26:42. > :26:45.important, as you point out a judge making a decision can be sure that

:26:46. > :26:49.the Guardian will act in the best interest of the missing person and

:26:50. > :26:54.the system detects the Guardian as well. There are safeguards built

:26:55. > :27:00.into the system, anybody wanting to be a Guardian will have to tell the

:27:01. > :27:03.family it is their intention. If any family members disagree they can

:27:04. > :27:09.tell the judge about their concerns. The judge will hear that, and make a

:27:10. > :27:12.decision based on that. When a Guardian is appointed, there will be

:27:13. > :27:17.oversight. There is the office of the Public Guardian. The Guardian

:27:18. > :27:22.will have to show them the decisions they have made, file their accounts,

:27:23. > :27:30.to be checked by the body. If they have concerns, they will report that

:27:31. > :27:38.facts of the court. Telus you hope your daughter is still alive for so

:27:39. > :27:44.-- tell us why you hope your daughter is still alive? It is hoped

:27:45. > :27:52.faith, it gets more difficult as time goes on. Now nearly eight

:27:53. > :27:59.years. I remember very startlingly when the first police officer in

:28:00. > :28:05.charge announced they were treating Claudia's disappearance as murder.

:28:06. > :28:11.He and I were on the same media platform, and he was saying there is

:28:12. > :28:19.no evidence that Claudia is alive. I was saying there was no evidence she

:28:20. > :28:24.is dead. Giving along parallel lines, both trying to find her and

:28:25. > :28:27.what happened. We'll was hope she is still alive, and the police are

:28:28. > :28:35.treating it as a murder enquiry. No conflict in that. The hope is still

:28:36. > :28:40.there. The Archbishop of York has been very helpful all the way

:28:41. > :28:46.through this. Just occasionally saying Peter, she is alive. The

:28:47. > :28:54.police have not been able to find out what happened to her. Do you

:28:55. > :28:57.have a theory? I have always had a theory, right from the outset.

:28:58. > :29:06.Because of how Claudia's house looked when she went into it -- when

:29:07. > :29:13.I went into it. It looked as if she put her boots on, got her rucksack,

:29:14. > :29:18.and went off to work. I think she was picked up by someone on her way

:29:19. > :29:23.to work. Very early in the morning, about 5:30 a.m.. Clearly dark.

:29:24. > :29:27.Although it is a residential district, there are areas where it

:29:28. > :29:34.is just parkland. I have a horrible feeling she was picked up and taken

:29:35. > :29:40.away. What happened after that, I don't know. I'm grateful you spoke

:29:41. > :29:50.to us today. Thank you very much Peter.

:29:51. > :29:57.We will speak to an MP he believes age-appropriate sex education should

:29:58. > :30:01.be available for children as young as five. And a group of

:30:02. > :30:05.schoolchildren, and how they would feel about that.

:30:06. > :30:07.With the News here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:30:08. > :30:10.The Kremlin has dismissed reports that it has compromising information

:30:11. > :30:12.about US President-elect Donald Trump.

:30:13. > :30:14.Unconfirmed reports have emerged in the American media that Russian

:30:15. > :30:16.intelligence agencies have damaging information about Mr Trump's

:30:17. > :30:19.In a tweet, Mr Trump denounced the reports

:30:20. > :30:32.Barack Obama has delivered his farewell address as US President,

:30:33. > :30:34.telling the American people he believes the country

:30:35. > :30:37.is in a better, stronger place than when he was first elected

:30:38. > :30:40.In an emotional speech in Chicago, he thanked his wife Michelle,

:30:41. > :30:42.his family and staff, as our correspondent

:30:43. > :30:51.Barack Obama returned to Chicago, the place where his political career

:30:52. > :30:54.began to deliver his long planned farewell address.

:30:55. > :30:58.The President used his platform to underline what he sees

:30:59. > :31:04.If I had told you that we would win marriage equality and secure

:31:05. > :31:06.the right to health insurance for another 20 million

:31:07. > :31:23.If I told you all that, you might have said our sights

:31:24. > :31:29.Turning to his theme of what could undermine

:31:30. > :31:36.America's democracy, the nation's first black

:31:37. > :31:38.president was direct about the state of race relations.

:31:39. > :31:41.After my election, there was talk of a post-racial America.

:31:42. > :31:43.Such a vision, however well intended, was never realistic.

:31:44. > :31:51.Race remains a potent and often divisive force in our society.

:31:52. > :31:56.Paying tribute to his wife Michelle and his daughters,

:31:57. > :32:03.For those who had lined up for hours to hear him speak in person,

:32:04. > :32:10.I thought it was very uplifting and it gave us a message

:32:11. > :32:14.of hope and encouragement and it was what we needed

:32:15. > :32:20.We had a tough election and we just need to keep fighting

:32:21. > :32:24.Barack Obama's supporters were heartened by his uplifting

:32:25. > :32:26.message tonight and he leaves office with his personal

:32:27. > :32:31.But that didn't stop the American voters from choosing Donald Trump

:32:32. > :32:33.to replace him and now Barack Obama must watch as Republicans

:32:34. > :32:54.Robbie Williams team is placing tickets directly on to resale

:32:55. > :32:56.ticketing websites at higher prices. The artist's management team has

:32:57. > :33:01.previously called on the Government to take stronger action against

:33:02. > :33:09.resale sites. Secondary ticketing websites are routinely used by touts

:33:10. > :33:17.to sell tickets at inflated prices. The front man of a band told us that

:33:18. > :33:21.he thinks that secondary websites need to be shutdown. I would

:33:22. > :33:25.encourage them not to work with secondary websites and if they own

:33:26. > :33:30.them to shut them down. It is about cultural access. We need to make it

:33:31. > :33:33.transparent and a fair playing field for everybody. So, we can't have

:33:34. > :33:38.that when people can sell the tickets like you said for Phil

:33:39. > :33:42.Collins for ?1,000. I mean, that's just ridiculous and the money is not

:33:43. > :33:48.going to the artist and that's what it is about, the money is leaving

:33:49. > :33:58.the industry and not being pumped back into it in any capacity, what's

:33:59. > :34:01.the point really? Centre more doctors are warning that

:34:02. > :34:03.the crisis in the NHS and social care is putting people's lives at

:34:04. > :34:08.risk. In a letter to Theresa May,

:34:09. > :34:12.the Royal College of Physicians said a shortage of resources means

:34:13. > :34:14.the quality of patient Charities working with elderly

:34:15. > :34:17.and disabled people have also written to the Prime Minister -

:34:18. > :34:19.calling for a long-term solution to funding

:34:20. > :34:21.for health and social care. The Department of Health says it's

:34:22. > :34:24.investing ?10 billion to relieve At 11.30am on the BBC News Channel,

:34:25. > :34:28.you can put your questions about the state of the NHS

:34:29. > :34:31.to our Health Editor Hugh Pym. Please get in touch with us

:34:32. > :34:33.to ask those questions. You can text us or send an e-mail

:34:34. > :34:36.or contact us via Twitter Police Scotland say that

:34:37. > :34:40.a man has been charged, after a lorry was blown over

:34:41. > :34:43.on the Forth Road Bridge, There has been major traffic

:34:44. > :34:46.disruption after the HGV was blown from the northbound lane

:34:47. > :34:48.onto the southbound carriageway The bridge is not expected to reopen

:34:49. > :34:55.until lunchtime at the earliest. 20 people have been

:34:56. > :34:57.rescued from the top They were trapped and helped

:34:58. > :35:01.down from the ride at Local media said there were no

:35:02. > :35:04.reports of injuries. It's thought a mechanical

:35:05. > :35:06.problem with a chain That's a summary of the latest

:35:07. > :35:20.news, join me for BBC Before the sport, we're going to

:35:21. > :35:25.talk, oh, I'm going to tell you what we're going to talk about after the

:35:26. > :35:29.sport. We're going to talk to a group of schoolchildren, about a

:35:30. > :35:31.report from Barnardo's, they are suggesting we need compulsory sex

:35:32. > :35:37.and relationship education in schools. Because they say, it would

:35:38. > :35:42.make young teenagers feel safer. So we're going to talk to some pupils

:35:43. > :35:45.and a Labour MP who has been campaigning on this and a deputy

:35:46. > :35:48.head. It is a subject that comes up a lot. It would be really

:35:49. > :35:52.interesting to hear what your view is as a parent. Do let me know.

:35:53. > :36:00.Manchester United have a 2-0 advantage after the first

:36:01. > :36:01.leg of their EFL Cup semi-final against Hull.

:36:02. > :36:03.Goals from Juan Mata and Marouane Fellaini

:36:04. > :36:06.at Old Trafford gave United their ninth win in a row.

:36:07. > :36:09.Boxer Nick Blackwell is still a year away from making a full recovery.

:36:10. > :36:15.Blackwell suffered serious head injuries in a fight

:36:16. > :36:17.with Chris Eubank Junior in March last year,

:36:18. > :36:20.in an unsanctioned sparring session in November.

:36:21. > :36:22.Joe Marler will miss at least the first of

:36:23. > :36:27.The prop has been ruled out of England's match against France

:36:28. > :36:30.after breaking his leg in the warm-up before

:36:31. > :36:32.Harlequins' Premiership match against Sale at the weekend.

:36:33. > :36:34.British number one Johanna Konta is through to the semi-finals

:36:35. > :36:37.She beat Daria Kasatkina in straight sets.

:36:38. > :36:39.Konta will face former Wimbledon finalist Eugenie Buchard

:36:40. > :36:52.More sport on BBC News throughout the day. But from me, that's all for

:36:53. > :37:05.now. Cheers, Hugh. One mum urged parents not to be

:37:06. > :37:09.fobbed off in they are worried about the health of their children.

:37:10. > :37:14.Gaynor McConnell's baby boy Cayden was born with spina bifida in 2010.

:37:15. > :37:18.At three-months-old he was diagnosed with meningitis which he survived.

:37:19. > :37:20.A few months later the illness came back and he died.

:37:21. > :37:23.His family discovered that he could have been saved,

:37:24. > :37:26.had doctors not missed vital signs about his condition and listened

:37:27. > :37:44.At five months he got men intis and had a lumbar puncture and MRI scan

:37:45. > :37:47.where you could see the tract. The tract is an open channel at the

:37:48. > :37:52.bottom of his spine. I think we've got that to show our audience and

:37:53. > :37:57.they will be able to see, you can see from this image there, is the

:37:58. > :38:01.actual MRI scan. At the bottom of his back where the white arrow is

:38:02. > :38:04.you can see the open channel, this hole effectively which goes from the

:38:05. > :38:10.bottom of his spine to the skin of his bottom effectively. That's when

:38:11. > :38:19.alarm bells should have been ringing with somebody amongst the medical

:38:20. > :38:23.staff? There is a 60% chance that it should be looked into. That means a

:38:24. > :38:30.mass of cells where bacteria can gather? Yes, and it can cause

:38:31. > :38:35.meningitis. And other infections and it wasn't looked into. They didn't

:38:36. > :38:39.look into it. They missed it? Completely. Right. So he recovered

:38:40. > :38:44.from meningitis, didn't he? The first time. You took him home, how

:38:45. > :38:50.was he getting on? He was a normal child, normal child. Normal cold,

:38:51. > :38:56.like a normal child. Yeah, and then in November, he became very poorly.

:38:57. > :38:59.Really poorly. And then it was meningitis a second time, but to be

:39:00. > :39:04.honest, it was way too late then. Was it? It was way too late, he had

:39:05. > :39:09.gone to that point where he was passed. There was no helping him

:39:10. > :39:15.then. Tell our audience how you discovered that vital signs had been

:39:16. > :39:20.missed from that earlier MRI scan? I was asking a lot of questions and I

:39:21. > :39:23.felt constantly I was being fobbed off, constantly and I felt the only

:39:24. > :39:27.way that I could get the answers I needed was through a solicitor. So I

:39:28. > :39:35.went to the solicitors to get the answers I needed to do and from

:39:36. > :39:38.there, we knew we had the scans and we noticed straightaway and if we

:39:39. > :39:41.noticed the doctors should have noticed. Tell us about the legal

:39:42. > :39:46.case that you've brought against this particular trust? Gaynor just

:39:47. > :39:50.wanted answers to know what happened to her son because the hospital

:39:51. > :39:54.hadn't answered any of the questions that heed had and she had doubts in

:39:55. > :39:59.her mind so we investigated the treatment that she had, that he had,

:40:00. > :40:06.sorry, and it turned out that there were failings and Gaynor's described

:40:07. > :40:12.them perfectly. They failed to explore the tract. In all likelihood

:40:13. > :40:16.it was the der moud that caused the second bout of meningitis and if

:40:17. > :40:19.that was removed after Cayden's first episode of meningitis, he

:40:20. > :40:23.would never have got a second episode and he would be alive today.

:40:24. > :40:28.Oh my goodness. The key point is they missed the open channel on the

:40:29. > :40:33.MRI scan. Had they seen that, that would have set alarm bells ringing

:40:34. > :40:37.and they have done further exploratory surgery and found that

:40:38. > :40:44.der moud tumour which can harbour bacteria and cause meningitis?

:40:45. > :40:49.Absolutely right. How many years did it take for you to get that answer?

:40:50. > :40:53.It has taken four years. Gaynor has stuck with it. Many people have

:40:54. > :40:58.said, you know, Gaynor it is time to move on and let go of your son and

:40:59. > :41:04.she has been determined from day one, that she wanted answers and it

:41:05. > :41:08.is only been a few weeks ago that the trust admitted liability for the

:41:09. > :41:12.failings and he wouldn't have got meningitis a second time around had

:41:13. > :41:16.it not been for their failings and it has taken that long and that

:41:17. > :41:25.level of determination from a mum to find out what happened to her son.

:41:26. > :41:29.Let me read what they say. Cambridge University Hospitals Trust

:41:30. > :41:34.acknowledge, being at fault for your little boy's death and they say they

:41:35. > :41:38.have made a formal apology to your family? No, they haven't. There was

:41:39. > :41:41.an apology in the letter to my solicitor. There was no letter

:41:42. > :41:46.directed to me or my family. They were sorry for what happened, it was

:41:47. > :41:49.at the bottom of the letter, not directed straight at me or my family

:41:50. > :41:55.or anyone else involved. Is that something you want? Yeah, of course,

:41:56. > :41:59.of course. I think I deserve that. I think my family deserve that. To

:42:00. > :42:03.know that, my little boy went through so much pain and so many

:42:04. > :42:07.different things he went through. I think he deserves the apology, it is

:42:08. > :42:10.heartbreaking of the it is not fair what he went through and I think the

:42:11. > :42:16.least we deserve is an apology from them. And after four years, for them

:42:17. > :42:23.finally to acknowledge that yes, the standard of care that your little

:42:24. > :42:28.boy received was way below what he should have expectedment how did you

:42:29. > :42:32.react to that? I always knew. It was the reason why I wanted to pursue T

:42:33. > :42:36.a lot of parents are being fobbed off. They're getting told something

:42:37. > :42:41.and they have to take that as the final answer. No, they don't. If

:42:42. > :42:45.nobody knows their child better than their parents or their carers. If

:42:46. > :42:48.you've got any questions, keep pushing and keep pushing until you

:42:49. > :42:52.get the answer. Don't be afraid to keep asking. That's your message to

:42:53. > :42:55.parents today? Massively. Massively. You know what, you did keep pushing

:42:56. > :43:01.and you still didn't get the answers. You got them now? Yeah.

:43:02. > :43:06.Eventually I did. I think that's the most heartbreaking thing. It has

:43:07. > :43:10.taken to go to the solicitors and get the answers I needed when they

:43:11. > :43:13.could have quite easily given me the answers themselves.

:43:14. > :43:18.How do you remember your little boy? Oh, he was a beautiful little boy.

:43:19. > :43:22.He was happy. No matter what he went through, he was always smiling. He

:43:23. > :43:28.was a typical little boy. A beautiful little boy.

:43:29. > :43:32.You can see the full interview on our programme page.

:43:33. > :43:34.Sex and relationship education in schools -

:43:35. > :43:38.a controversial issue with parents and teachers - and most

:43:39. > :43:50.schools don't have to provide compulsary sex ed.

:43:51. > :43:56.In fact, 2000 was the last overhaul of the curriculum

:43:57. > :43:58.that's before social media, before smartphones and before equal

:43:59. > :44:18.Sarah Champion says younger people are more tolerant of violence. There

:44:19. > :44:22.are calls from Barnardo's for the Government to introduce age

:44:23. > :44:30.appropriate sex education. It is being debated in the Commons this

:44:31. > :44:34.week. A poll by the charity show that children want the Government to

:44:35. > :44:36.introduce compulsory education on sex and relationships and

:44:37. > :44:38.three-quarters believe they would be safer if they had classes on the

:44:39. > :44:47.subject. Let's talk now to the Labour's women

:44:48. > :44:49.and equalities spokeswoman Saah Champion, Rebecca Jennings,

:44:50. > :44:51.who runs sex education classes Mumin Hamayun, Deputy Head

:44:52. > :44:57.from Whitefield School in London who is here with some

:44:58. > :45:07.of his pupils, Erizon, Welcome all of you. It goes without

:45:08. > :45:11.saying, we're going to have a frank conversation. We will use the

:45:12. > :45:13.correct terminology. If anybody doesn't want to hear this

:45:14. > :45:22.conversation turn the sound down for the next few minutes.

:45:23. > :45:33.What kind of things do you learn? In Year 11... What age are you? 15.

:45:34. > :45:43.We have dropped down days, learning about certain myths, general... Is

:45:44. > :45:51.it possible to become pregnant through anal sex. Relationships,

:45:52. > :45:58.what are unhealthy relationships. I am 16. We don't have lessons like

:45:59. > :46:08.that anymore, we have down days. We mainly learn about when things

:46:09. > :46:13.happen, I don't know what to say. You were going to talk about nations

:46:14. > :46:21.about too much drink, you may be taken advantage of. One of our

:46:22. > :46:25.lessons, we covered, when you get intoxicated with alcohol, men can

:46:26. > :46:32.take advantage of the women. Consequences like rape, you can

:46:33. > :46:39.become pregnant. I am 14, what we currently learn about is when we can

:46:40. > :46:41.stay protected when having sex. How men should respect women, if they do

:46:42. > :46:50.not want to have sex, without consent. We learn about rape, how it

:46:51. > :46:56.is not good. So we should respect women if they don't want to have

:46:57. > :47:02.sex, we should keep the relationship balanced and equal. Boys especially,

:47:03. > :47:06.we should learn we should not take advantage of girls when they are

:47:07. > :47:13.drunk. If they say yes when they are drunk, it is classified as illegal.

:47:14. > :47:21.They are not fully functional. I am 14 coming year ten, we still have

:47:22. > :47:25.lessons, we covered things like exploitation, how it is not

:47:26. > :47:30.necessarily people trafficking people across countries, it could

:47:31. > :47:35.just be you in a relationship with your partner your partner could be

:47:36. > :47:39.exploiting new by different things, psychologically harming you, not

:47:40. > :47:46.letting you go out with friends, things like that. Learning about

:47:47. > :47:49.relationships. What would you say the split is between the sexual side

:47:50. > :47:54.of things and the relationships I've, I know they can be

:47:55. > :48:07.intertwined. Mostly about diseases, condom is, the myths of getting

:48:08. > :48:18.pregnant. All relationships? PSHE, the things we learn. Physical social

:48:19. > :48:23.health and education. Personal. We cover the social side of things, we

:48:24. > :48:31.also cover the physical sex and body parts. That is more biology and

:48:32. > :48:35.science. We get those lessons. The science curriculum will cover a lot

:48:36. > :48:44.of the biology aspects. Reproduction. PSHE is years seven,

:48:45. > :48:50.two-year ten. Those lessons are built into the curriculum. Covering

:48:51. > :48:54.age-appropriate material. That will come in in year seven, lessons on

:48:55. > :49:02.body parts, how to have healthy relationships. As they progress, by

:49:03. > :49:08.the time we get two-year ten, we're looking at questions about consent,

:49:09. > :49:11.the forms of consent. Young people are aware of the dangers, also able

:49:12. > :49:19.to make the right choices for themselves. Some people, some adults

:49:20. > :49:22.think if you teach your age group about sex and relationships, it will

:49:23. > :49:28.encourage you to have sex at an earlier age. What would you say

:49:29. > :49:32.about that? I disagree, if we're not getting the information in a

:49:33. > :49:37.controlled environment, with your friends, you will be forced to go

:49:38. > :49:42.online, there are no filters, you could come across the wrong

:49:43. > :49:46.information. That could cause you to want to do these things even more,

:49:47. > :49:54.rather than learning from a teacher and professional, taught to teach us

:49:55. > :49:58.students. Some of these are out there questions, but you were pretty

:49:59. > :50:06.honest, which is so helpful. Have you been taught how to put a condom

:50:07. > :50:12.on? No. No. Is that part of the lesson. The reason I am mentioning

:50:13. > :50:17.that. Mike got in touch, saying I would rather my kids learned sign

:50:18. > :50:22.language or first aid, then how to put a condom on? That is another

:50:23. > :50:27.discussion about the services schools her. We used to have access

:50:28. > :50:33.to nurses on a regular basis, coming into supporters, we're sharing

:50:34. > :50:40.information. Showing students the dos and don'ts. A lot to do with

:50:41. > :50:48.teacher expertise and training. You have done, but you don't do now.

:50:49. > :50:51.Sorry I interrupted, people saying having sex education leads to

:50:52. > :50:57.throwing into is an earlier age. When it should be 16. Not

:50:58. > :51:00.necessarily, it gives you the confidence, if you do want to enter

:51:01. > :51:05.a relationship with someone, at least you know the dos and don'ts.

:51:06. > :51:10.If you are in an unhealthy relationship, at least you know

:51:11. > :51:13.that. I can see the signs. It equips you, when you do get into a

:51:14. > :51:21.relationship later on in your life, you know what not to do and what to

:51:22. > :51:26.do. Let me bring in Sarah Champion, and Rebecca Jennings. You run sex

:51:27. > :51:29.education classes, and you would like basic sex education for

:51:30. > :51:36.five-year-olds. Some people would freak out. What I want is

:51:37. > :51:41.relationship education for five-year-olds. They don't need to

:51:42. > :51:47.know the biology of sex. They need to know about respecting themselves

:51:48. > :51:52.and other people. The NSPCC does a great campaign about what is in your

:51:53. > :51:57.pants is private. I have been into primary schools, where there are

:51:58. > :52:00.teachers like Rebecca, little children understand with kissing,

:52:01. > :52:05.there is appropriate kissing and inappropriate kissing. Why does a

:52:06. > :52:09.five-year-old need to know that? Sadly, because the level of child

:52:10. > :52:13.abuse going on in this country is at epidemic levels. What we ought to be

:52:14. > :52:21.doing is preventing it from happening, rather than freaking out

:52:22. > :52:24.after a child has been abused. This is another former first aid. How we

:52:25. > :52:29.protect children. Interestingly, what we find internationally and in

:52:30. > :52:34.this country, when children have good relationship education they

:52:35. > :52:38.have sex later, teenage pregnancy drops down. This is a form of

:52:39. > :52:43.protection all children need. It is about keeping children safe. In

:52:44. > :52:49.terms of a five-year-old learning about sex education, that is not the

:52:50. > :52:53.case. Saying that, young girls at the age of seven starting

:52:54. > :53:02.menstruation. Going through changes. Would you teach primary school

:53:03. > :53:07.children of that yes, in small groups. We have fun with it open and

:53:08. > :53:16.honest. Some girls aged seven starting period. Year three. I would

:53:17. > :53:20.not personally do that with a whole class. Nurture groups, girls

:53:21. > :53:25.starting periods, explaining what is happening. It is OK, a natural

:53:26. > :53:32.thing. It is very young, of course. Giving them the right information.

:53:33. > :53:35.We need to be mindful, if we don't teach the children they will find

:53:36. > :53:42.out themselves. If your child has an iPad, a smartphone they can get onto

:53:43. > :53:47.the Internet. By age 14, 95% of children have seen porn. Do you want

:53:48. > :53:55.children to understand that is a fantasy, and have a good basis. That

:53:56. > :54:00.should come from the mum and dad. I am a parent of a 12-year-old. Over

:54:01. > :54:04.Christmas, very difficult to talk to my son about sexual relationships.

:54:05. > :54:09.I'm hoping that school will pick up on that. I feel comfortable talking

:54:10. > :54:14.to my students about it. Why not two-year reign 12-year-old? The

:54:15. > :54:19.relationship is very different. I gave him a book to read. I am going

:54:20. > :54:28.to talk to them about changes. He school is doing a fantastic job. If

:54:29. > :54:32.parents are not talking to children, schools are not talking to children,

:54:33. > :54:34.this is a reality of the world young people are living in. They are

:54:35. > :54:43.learning, from each other, the Internet. There are no filters, as

:54:44. > :54:47.we said. That is a concern. It has to be like a partnership between

:54:48. > :54:52.parents and teachers and the school. On educating us about sex and

:54:53. > :54:56.relationships. Maybe from our parents we could get the fake side

:54:57. > :55:01.of things, how they have done it. Have you had conversations with your

:55:02. > :55:05.parents, how your faith influences whether you get involved in a

:55:06. > :55:12.relationship? Most definitely. What is your faith, and what your parents

:55:13. > :55:16.say? I'm a Christian, they teach me things like no sex before marriage.

:55:17. > :55:23.They also teach me about diversity, the world, different sexualities was

:55:24. > :55:29.I remember my dad and I, I could not sleep, he put on a DVD of our babies

:55:30. > :55:37.are made. We had a fun conversation with gingerbread biscuits and tomato

:55:38. > :55:42.sauce. Did it make you fall asleep? Frank and open discussions. We spend

:55:43. > :55:53.our time at home and at school. Which schools, with compulsory sex

:55:54. > :55:57.education, and which are not known why is that enough is enough? Only

:55:58. > :56:01.35% of schools where it is compulsory. State maintained

:56:02. > :56:04.schools. It may well be the rest are doing a fantastic job, but when

:56:05. > :56:09.Ofsted goes in and measures the quality of the education, a lot of

:56:10. > :56:15.schools are failing on that. The other stat two thirds of child abuse

:56:16. > :56:21.happened in the extended family. Just leaving it to the family, they

:56:22. > :56:25.may be fantastic, but it is running a risk. When I was talking to young

:56:26. > :56:29.people, they say what is good about doing it in a class environment

:56:30. > :56:33.everybody is at the same level. Myth busting amongst themselves. One of

:56:34. > :56:40.the things I'm concerned about. Giving children resources; fatty

:56:41. > :56:43.have them finding themselves. If we were having this conversation, and

:56:44. > :56:46.they did on the radio. It would have been through the prism of teenage

:56:47. > :56:52.pregnancies. It is reducing in this country. Now we're talking about

:56:53. > :56:55.keeping children safe as a reason for sex education lessons. Because

:56:56. > :57:01.of child sexual abuse, violence and relationships. Teenagers are in

:57:02. > :57:05.relationships where one of the partnerships is being violent of the

:57:06. > :57:14.other. Sometimes teenagers don't know that that is wrong. The saddest

:57:15. > :57:17.thing for me, the Barnardos survey is showing young people are crying

:57:18. > :57:21.out for this help. We have the youth Parliament, one of the things

:57:22. > :57:25.they've asking for is statutory sexual education. Young people are

:57:26. > :57:33.baking for advice and support. If you step away from that, you won't

:57:34. > :57:36.really failing them. Do you agree? Completely agree. A colleague I

:57:37. > :57:41.spoke to this morning talked about the importance of parenting classes

:57:42. > :57:45.for young people. These are the key things we are equipping young people

:57:46. > :57:49.to learn how to read and write, that is key, not necessarily the

:57:50. > :57:53.functioning reality of the world they are going to grow up in. They

:57:54. > :57:59.will be involved in relationships, but we're not having those

:58:00. > :58:03.conversations with them. It is key it is brought into the curriculum,

:58:04. > :58:06.and schools are tackling it. For any parent nervous about the kind of

:58:07. > :58:13.conversation we are having now, what would you say? Just to be open and

:58:14. > :58:16.honest. Seek advice from schools, school governors, nurses, somebody

:58:17. > :58:21.there to support the conversation. It has to be part of the whole

:58:22. > :58:27.school approach. Something embrace. That is taught in a fun way. That

:58:28. > :58:31.music means the programme is over. We have had a really good discussion

:58:32. > :58:34.I appreciate your time, thank you for coming on the programme.