18/01/2017

:00:09. > :00:09.Hello. It's Wednesday.

:00:10. > :00:10.It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:11. > :00:13.Boris Johnson says countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade

:00:14. > :00:16.deals with Britain when it leaves the EU.

:00:17. > :00:18.The Foreign Secretary's optimistic assessment comes as EU leaders

:00:19. > :00:21.prepare to give their verdicts on Theresa May's Brexit speech.

:00:22. > :00:26.We have an exclusive report from a rescue ship

:00:27. > :00:28.in the Mediterranean where thousands of migrants risk their

:00:29. > :00:38.We're going to come to you. Stay where you are. We're going to come

:00:39. > :00:43.to you. Will tougher sentences

:00:44. > :00:47.for people caught fighting One undercover investigator tells us

:00:48. > :00:51.how the widespread the practice Hello.

:00:52. > :01:04.Welcome to the programme. Are you getting a poor deal

:01:05. > :01:12.from your mobile phone provider? It comes as EE is fined

:01:13. > :01:14.for overcharging tens of thousands of customers

:01:15. > :01:16.who called its customer We'll have more details

:01:17. > :01:22.on that shortly. Do get in touch on all the stories

:01:23. > :01:25.we're talking about this morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:01:26. > :01:28.and if you text, you will be charged The Foreign Secretary has said

:01:29. > :01:33.countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

:01:34. > :01:35.when it leaves the European Union. Boris Johnson also suggests that

:01:36. > :01:39.agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50 negotiations

:01:40. > :01:41.are concluded, and said the UK would not be "hauling

:01:42. > :01:44.up the drawbridge", despite the new migration controls

:01:45. > :01:46.promised by Theresa May. Our political correspondent

:01:47. > :01:53.Tom Bateman has more. Theresa May's Brexit speech brought

:01:54. > :01:55.the most clarity yet on her approach She told ministers and European

:01:56. > :02:02.diplomats she wanted ambitious trade deals with the rest of the EU,

:02:03. > :02:07.but she confirmed Britain would leave the union's

:02:08. > :02:09.formal free- rade area. What I am proposing cannot mean

:02:10. > :02:17.membership of the single market. The UK would have control

:02:18. > :02:20.of immigration policy, she said. And, in an unexpected move,

:02:21. > :02:23.the Prime Minister revealed she would be prepared to walk away

:02:24. > :02:26.from the talks if the deal The Foreign Secretary,

:02:27. > :02:32.Boris Johnson, writes this morning that countries are queuing up to do

:02:33. > :02:37.trade deals with Britain. Today, attention turns

:02:38. > :02:38.to the response from The head of the European Commission,

:02:39. > :02:43.Jean-Claude Juncker, Some in the European

:02:44. > :02:45.Parliament believe Mrs May's An illusion that you can go out

:02:46. > :02:57.of the single market, that you can go out off the customs

:02:58. > :03:00.union, and that you can cherry-pick, and you can have still

:03:01. > :03:03.a number of advantages. The Prime Minister will face MPs

:03:04. > :03:06.later with some opponents saying her plan risks

:03:07. > :03:07.an economic catastrophe. She has called for

:03:08. > :03:09.unity over Brexit. So far, at least, that

:03:10. > :03:17.seems some way off. Let's get more from our

:03:18. > :03:25.political guru Norman Smith. What if she doesn't get a deal?

:03:26. > :03:29.Well, ministers are just refuse to go counsel ten nans that

:03:30. > :03:35.possibility. I have been struck at the confidence frankly oozing from

:03:36. > :03:38.them despite the fact that Mrs May yesterday massively ratcheted up the

:03:39. > :03:42.stakes saying we want a deal in two years and we want a special deal

:03:43. > :03:46.that gives us everything that we want in terms of trade and in terms

:03:47. > :03:50.of the single market and the customs union and by the way, if you don't

:03:51. > :03:54.give us what we want, we're going to walk away. They say, they have been

:03:55. > :03:58.encouraged by the reaction from other EU leaders and it will be

:03:59. > :04:02.interesting to see when we hear from the president of the European

:04:03. > :04:06.Commission later who is talking to the European Parliament, you know,

:04:07. > :04:11.whether they're justified in thinking that Mrs May's message has

:04:12. > :04:20.gone Down OK with the rest of Europe. They have been buoyed by the

:04:21. > :04:24.reaction at home. The Telegraph, "May's bold terms for Brexit." The

:04:25. > :04:31.Daily Mail, it is like a comic book strip of Mrs May as a sort of latter

:04:32. > :04:36.day Mrs T! Certainly listening to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary

:04:37. > :04:42.this morning, he was saying what could go wrong? He said what could

:04:43. > :04:47.go wrong? A deal which is in the interests of both Britain and the

:04:48. > :04:51.European Union that seeks to preserve the best of what we have

:04:52. > :04:56.whilst giving us the freedom to trade globally and a deal which, a

:04:57. > :04:59.proposal, for a deal which will get hopefully the whole country behind

:05:00. > :05:02.it. Those who voted leave and those who voted remain because it is in

:05:03. > :05:07.the interests of the whole country. That's the aim. We're not seeking a

:05:08. > :05:10.fight. We're seeking to get a good deal which serves everybody. That's

:05:11. > :05:17.the most important thing to have in the front of your mind. Of course,

:05:18. > :05:20.quite a lot could go wrong, not least if Mrs May doesn't get the

:05:21. > :05:26.deal she wants then we pretty much just fall out of the EU and have to

:05:27. > :05:29.revert what are known as World Trade Organisation rules which means

:05:30. > :05:36.tariffs, which means more expensive goods which is a significant blow

:05:37. > :05:39.for British business. So the stakes are absolutely colossal and no

:05:40. > :05:45.wonder that ministers are hoping it will turn out OK because if it

:05:46. > :05:51.doesn't, the potential ramifications for this country are colossal.

:05:52. > :05:54.Mobile operator EE has been fined ?2.7 million for overcharging tens

:05:55. > :06:02.More than 30,000 customers have been affected,

:06:03. > :06:04.overcharged by a quarter of a million pounds.

:06:05. > :06:06.The regulator has explained why they've taken action.

:06:07. > :06:11.Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines

:06:12. > :06:14.Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines are a good

:06:15. > :06:17.They don't like to be on the receiving end of fines

:06:18. > :06:20.Well, we think this is a significant fine and fines are a good

:06:21. > :06:23.like this, but I think what really matters to consumers is that,

:06:24. > :06:26.companies get the services they provide and our bills right

:06:27. > :06:28.first time and that's why we hope that this fine today

:06:29. > :06:31.sends a clear message, not just to EE, but right

:06:32. > :06:34.across the industry that we won't hesitate to help in and levy fines

:06:35. > :06:43.if they get that wrong for customers.

:06:44. > :06:50.Rachel Horne is here. EE were going to give the money to charity, but

:06:51. > :06:54.until Ofcom stepped in and said hang on a minute, EE were saying it was

:06:55. > :07:01.too difficult to trace them. Ofcom forced them to trace the customers.

:07:02. > :07:06.They have reimbursed up to ?200,000. There is ?60,000. EE have given the

:07:07. > :07:10.money to charity, but Ofcom said you must still try and find the

:07:11. > :07:14.customers. Ofcom are starting to flex their muscles. You might

:07:15. > :07:18.remember back in October we had a big fine for TalkTalk. It was

:07:19. > :07:23.?400,000, but that was to do with cyber security, rather than customer

:07:24. > :07:27.relations. Vodafone were hit with a fine of over ?4 million, part of

:07:28. > :07:31.that was handling customer complaints. Ofcom are taking a

:07:32. > :07:34.stance and saying, look, you need to treat your customers properly, if

:07:35. > :07:38.you don't, we will wade in and we will take action. I spoke to Ofcom

:07:39. > :07:42.earlier and they said it is time the customers or the companies start

:07:43. > :07:44.treating customers properly and if they don't there will be

:07:45. > :07:50.consequences. Joanna is in the BBC

:07:51. > :07:53.Newsroom with a summary President Obama has cut

:07:54. > :07:56.the sentence of Chelsea Manning, who was jailed for 35 years

:07:57. > :07:59.for leaking intelligence secrets. The former military analyst,

:08:00. > :08:02.who was born Bradley Manning but had hormone therapy in prison,

:08:03. > :08:04.will be released in May. Our correspondent in Washington

:08:05. > :08:06.Rajini Vaidyanathan has more. Chelsea Manning was responsible

:08:07. > :08:08.for one of the largest leaks of government secrets

:08:09. > :08:12.in American history. Born Bradley Manning,

:08:13. > :08:16.it was while serving in Iraq that the low-ranking private hacked

:08:17. > :08:19.government databases, handing more than 700,000

:08:20. > :08:22.classified documents to Julian Assange's

:08:23. > :08:29.WikiLeaks organisation. Manning's supporters have campaigned

:08:30. > :08:34.for years for her release. They maintain she's

:08:35. > :08:37.a whistleblower, not a traitor. The reduction of Chelsea Manning's

:08:38. > :08:40.sentence means she's only served three years out of a 35-year term

:08:41. > :08:46.she was handed in 2013. During the trial, Manning's lawyers

:08:47. > :08:49.said their client struggled Soon after, it was announced that

:08:50. > :08:55.Bradley would be known as Chelsea She's being held at a male prison,

:08:56. > :09:01.and tried to take her I'd say 12 to 16 months,

:09:02. > :09:08.her mental state and her condition She became depressed

:09:09. > :09:13.and there was clearly a real risk to her wellbeing,

:09:14. > :09:15.if not her life, if she had Julian Assange thanked

:09:16. > :09:19.those who campaigned for Chelsea's release,

:09:20. > :09:22.and Edward Snowden, who also leaked government secrets,

:09:23. > :09:23.tweeted his thanks to President But the Republican speaker

:09:24. > :09:30.of the House, Paul Ryan, said President Obama's decision

:09:31. > :09:33.to cut short Chelsea Manning's sentence was outrageous and sent

:09:34. > :09:38.a message that those who compromise national security won't be held

:09:39. > :09:41.accountable for their crimes. One of President Obama's final acts

:09:42. > :09:44.in office will please A baby has been born

:09:45. > :09:53.to a previously infertile couple in Ukraine using a new type

:09:54. > :09:56.of "three-person IVF". Doctors in Kiev are reported to have

:09:57. > :10:00.used a method called pro-nuclear It is not the first baby born with

:10:01. > :10:07.DNA from three parents, however. Another child was created

:10:08. > :10:10.using a slightly different method Leaders of the train drivers union,

:10:11. > :10:16.Aslef, are meeting Southern Rail bosses this morning in a new attempt

:10:17. > :10:19.to resolve their long Next week's three-day strike

:10:20. > :10:27.by drivers on Southern Rail has been The union is in dispute

:10:28. > :10:30.with Southern's parent company GTR over the role of conductors

:10:31. > :10:32.on driver-only operated trains, amounting to Britain's worst rail

:10:33. > :10:39.strikes in 20 years. Thomas Cook is preparing to bring

:10:40. > :10:42.thousands of British holiday-makers home from Gambia

:10:43. > :10:44.because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

:10:45. > :10:50.people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

:10:51. > :10:52.after its president refused to step down and declared

:10:53. > :10:55.a state of emergency. Thomas Cook said it was implementing

:10:56. > :10:57.contingency plans to bring home all its UK customers on additional

:10:58. > :11:03.flights over the next 48 hours. The Supreme Court is ruling today

:11:04. > :11:07.on whether disabled travellers are legally entitled to priority use

:11:08. > :11:10.of wheelchair spaces on buses even when there are babies

:11:11. > :11:15.in buggies on board. The case was triggered

:11:16. > :11:17.when wheelchair user Doug Paulley attempted to board a bus

:11:18. > :11:20.but was unable to when a woman First Group says its current

:11:21. > :11:23.policy of "requesting, not requiring" other passengers

:11:24. > :11:29.to move is the most feasible solution, but Mr Paulley insists

:11:30. > :11:46.it's discriminatory. Harry got this touch. He says I have

:11:47. > :11:51.the privilege of knowing Mr Paulley. If the bus company had put 10% of

:11:52. > :11:54.Doug's effort into disability awareness training then we wouldn't

:11:55. > :11:57.be where we are today. We are expecting the court judgement from

:11:58. > :12:03.the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, any time around

:12:04. > :12:05.tennish. Angela says, "I have seen parents abuse bus drivers if they

:12:06. > :12:13.can't get their buggy on the bus which is out of order. Disabled

:12:14. > :12:16.people should get priority in the same way older/disabled people get

:12:17. > :12:20.priority to use the front seats of the bus. I hope the gentleman wins

:12:21. > :12:27.his case and disabled people get priority over parents." Your views

:12:28. > :12:28.are welcome. Particularly if you use a wheelchair, what is the access

:12:29. > :12:34.like if you're using a bus? Do get in touch with us

:12:35. > :12:36.throughout the morning. use the hashtag #VictoriaLive,

:12:37. > :12:51.and if you text, you'll be charged Dan Evans is on court. He is facing

:12:52. > :12:54.Marin Cilic. He was the US Open champion in 2014. Evans wasn't

:12:55. > :12:59.really enjoying himself in the first set at all. He was broken in his

:13:00. > :13:04.very first service game. Always going to be an uphill struggle. We

:13:05. > :13:09.saw him throw his racket and shake his head. The first set, he lost

:13:10. > :13:14.that 3-6 in over half an hour. We're into the second set now and Evans is

:13:15. > :13:19.making a much bigger fight of this match. It is always going to be an

:13:20. > :13:26.uphill struggle when you lose the first set, but in the second set we

:13:27. > :13:32.have just seen Evans go 6-5 up. He has got set-point I'm being told. So

:13:33. > :13:35.the second set could go that way. If that's 1-1, Evans could make a match

:13:36. > :13:40.of this and make his way to the third round. Just to tell you as

:13:41. > :13:44.well, there has been some other big hitters on court and overnight.

:13:45. > :13:56.Roger Federer, he is safely through to the next round as is Stan

:13:57. > :14:02.Wawrinka. For British tennis fans, Andy Murray, sorry, Andy Murray will

:14:03. > :14:06.be on court later this morning. That will be live on Five Live sports

:14:07. > :14:12.extra. Dan Evans has just won that second set. So it is now 1-1. He won

:14:13. > :14:15.that 7-5. So got a match on our hands here, I think, Victoria.

:14:16. > :14:20.Some shocks last night in the FA Cup.

:14:21. > :14:30.What would you pluck out? Lincoln City. We talk every year about the

:14:31. > :14:34.magic of the Cup. There was some real wizardry served upment Lincoln

:14:35. > :14:39.59 places below Ipswich and they came through in injury time to win

:14:40. > :14:46.that 1-0. On the whole I thought Lincoln deserving. Look how composed

:14:47. > :14:54.Nathan Arnold was to grab the goal in injury time around the goalkeeper

:14:55. > :14:57.and the fans and the team were just in complete pandemonium. Look how

:14:58. > :15:01.much it meant to the players and all the staff. This is the first time

:15:02. > :15:08.Lincoln City reached the fourth round of the FA Cup in 41 years. The

:15:09. > :15:12.last person to take them there was Graham Taylor who passed away

:15:13. > :15:20.recently. It now sets up a brilliant tie for them at home to Brighton.

:15:21. > :15:24.But not to be outdone, Victoria Sutton United, another non-league

:15:25. > :15:32.side, they are through. They beat AFA Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon two

:15:33. > :15:35.leagues above them. To give you a sense of the gulf in quality, well

:15:36. > :15:41.apparent quality between the two sides, Sutton are a team that rely

:15:42. > :15:47.on volunteers to stay afloat and they have got a tie against Leeds,

:15:48. > :15:50.championship side, at home and such was the manager's delight at his

:15:51. > :15:56.team winning, he opened up the bar at home and invited all the fans

:15:57. > :16:20.back for a celebratory drink. As you do!

:16:21. > :16:25.We have the latest on the police chiefs Council talking about the

:16:26. > :16:31.number of victims of abuse in football. 526 victims have come

:16:32. > :16:39.forward, 124 potential suspects have been identified. 248 football clubs

:16:40. > :16:41.have been impacted. This does not equate to 248 clubs under

:16:42. > :16:48.investigation, they want to make clear, but instead refers to the

:16:49. > :16:57.number of clubs referenced. So, Operation Hydrant, the investigation

:16:58. > :17:05.into historical child sexual abuse in football, the number of victims

:17:06. > :17:06.potentially at the moment stands at 526, 184 suspects identified, 248

:17:07. > :17:14.clubs referenced. Rough seas, winter storms and long,

:17:15. > :17:16.dark nights make this time of year the most dangerous for migrants

:17:17. > :17:18.attempting to reach But many people are still

:17:19. > :17:25.attempting the journey - often in small dinghies -

:17:26. > :17:26.with more than 1000 arriving in Europe in

:17:27. > :17:29.the first two weeks of 2017. Many of those were rescued

:17:30. > :17:35.on their journeys, but last week 100 people drowned after their boat sank

:17:36. > :17:38.off the coast of Libya. people crossing last year

:17:39. > :17:42.compared to the year before, it was the deadliest so far,

:17:43. > :17:46.with 5000 perishing at sea. Alva White, who worked

:17:47. > :17:49.as a producer at the BBC before going on a secondment to MSF,

:17:50. > :17:53.filmed her experience for us This is where I have

:17:54. > :18:01.lived for the last four And I wanted to show you what is

:18:02. > :18:10.outside my porthole window. This is the night sea

:18:11. > :18:12.and the night sky. That is what it must look

:18:13. > :18:16.like for the people getting into these unseaworthy,

:18:17. > :18:19.dangerous boats, crammed full It's not just them

:18:20. > :18:25.getting into them, but they take their children,

:18:26. > :18:27.their babies, their families. Women in the last stages

:18:28. > :18:31.of pregnancy, injured No one makes this decision

:18:32. > :18:45.easily, no one would put and they must be extremely terrified

:18:46. > :19:23.and extremely desperate. It's now about eight

:19:24. > :19:29.o'clock in the evening. 36 hours ago we set off from Sicily,

:19:30. > :19:32.and we are now about between 30 and 35 nautical miles

:19:33. > :19:40.from the Libyan coast. We position ourselves either

:19:41. > :19:43.to the east or the west of Tripoli in international waters,

:19:44. > :19:45.and we patrol the area ready to respond to a boat

:19:46. > :19:50.in distress that need rescuing. My name is Alexander,

:19:51. > :19:55.I am from Belarus. I work as a captain

:19:56. > :20:04.on board Aquarius. Let's call Aquarius is a small

:20:05. > :20:11.floating hotel and I will be Maybe it is not a 5-star,

:20:12. > :20:15.but we will try to keep We are on high alert for a rescue

:20:16. > :20:30.and that means we always sleep with our radios and food volume

:20:31. > :20:56.right by our head. Stay where you are, we're

:20:57. > :22:04.I think you can see just behind me, this is the second

:22:05. > :22:08.We are trying to give them a message is, keep everyone can.

:22:09. > :22:33.We can hear them from deck, we can hear people shouting and crying.

:22:34. > :22:43.When they pull up close to the deck you can see inside the boat,

:22:44. > :22:46.you see all these little faces and eyes looking up at you.

:22:47. > :23:53.I need to go now and help in the shelter.

:23:54. > :23:59.Today we saved two rubber boats with more or less

:24:00. > :24:00.a total of 250 people, among them 40 women,

:24:01. > :24:10.When you see them and you tell yourself they are taking this

:24:11. > :24:13.journey, it is already super dangerous and you know

:24:14. > :24:15.they are also pregnant, all he can say to yourself

:24:16. > :24:23.is that they had no choice, otherwise they would not be here.

:24:24. > :24:33.Of course I feel emotional, but when I'm on the boat I try

:24:34. > :24:35.not to get emotional, because I am here to make

:24:36. > :24:38.them trust me, I am here to make them feel safe.

:24:39. > :24:41.There is one young boy I have spoken to, he is 14 years

:24:42. > :24:44.old and he is from the Ivory Coast and his father died when he was ten

:24:45. > :24:52.He was living with his grandma, and his father had a business

:24:53. > :24:55.associate from Libya the kidnapped him from Ivory

:24:56. > :25:01.Coast and took to live with them in Libya and essentially forced him

:25:02. > :25:07.to work in his house, abused him physically,

:25:08. > :25:10.he beat him, he burned him, he has got signs of physical abuse.

:25:11. > :25:14.He managed to escape, he ran down to the beach,

:25:15. > :25:21.he said it took four or five hours to make it down to the beach,

:25:22. > :25:24.he found a group of people waiting to get onto a rubber boat

:25:25. > :25:28.and he begged them if he could come with them and they said yes,

:25:29. > :25:32.come with us and he got onto the rubber boat and we rescued

:25:33. > :25:37.I said, it's not your fault, all this stuff that happened,

:25:38. > :25:41.His eyes were tearing, he couldn't look me in the face, he was shaking.

:25:42. > :25:43.I don't know what will happen to him next.

:25:44. > :25:46.He can't read or write, he hasn't been to school

:25:47. > :25:49.for the last five years, he's 14, he speaks a bit of French,

:25:50. > :25:51.he doesn't speak Italian, he doesn't speak English.

:25:52. > :25:57.I don't know what will happen to him and he is one of many young,

:25:58. > :26:31.It's about half 11 at night, everyone is asleep apart

:26:32. > :26:34.from a few children in the shelter that are wide awake and full

:26:35. > :26:48.I hate seeing them on the metal floor of the deck with blankets.

:26:49. > :26:51.It's not the most comfortable, but at least they're safe

:26:52. > :26:54.and they're dry, though it is pretty windy and pretty

:26:55. > :26:56.rocky out there tonight, but they are really conked out.

:26:57. > :26:59.It is probably the first good night's sleep they've

:27:00. > :27:12.A number of them have told us about terrible times in Libya,

:27:13. > :27:15.beatings, being kept in a pit before they got in the boat, extortion,

:27:16. > :27:27.We do a night watch schedule, I'm not on until the early morning,

:27:28. > :27:30.so I'm going to take advantage and get a full night's sleep.

:27:31. > :27:33.At seven o'clock this morning we had a baby boy born

:27:34. > :27:47.I was woken just before half past six.

:27:48. > :27:50.I saw her first at 6.30 and the baby was born at seven o'clock.

:27:51. > :27:52.Everything was very normal and everyone is very happy about that.

:27:53. > :28:09.I called him Newman because he is a new man to me,

:28:10. > :28:15.he is a new man to God and he is a very lucky boy.

:28:16. > :28:18.For me, when I look at the sea now, I don't look

:28:19. > :28:25.For me, when I look at it now, I think about all those

:28:26. > :28:30.that we didn't rescue, all those that didn't survive.

:28:31. > :28:34.When you rescue people and you bring people on and you meet them

:28:35. > :28:37.and you get to know them and you help them, to think of those

:28:38. > :30:55.I want to say to the small Newman, welcome.

:30:56. > :30:57.I'm not really a crier, but for some reason,

:30:58. > :31:00.whenever they leave I always had to run into my cabin and take

:31:01. > :31:07.One guy is pretty streetwise, he has obviously been

:31:08. > :31:16.on his own for a while, he is ten.

:31:17. > :31:19.But you could see in his eyes, he was looking at us for some

:31:20. > :31:50.If you want share that film, you can head to our programme

:31:51. > :32:00.Nearly 5,000 calls about organised dog fighting

:32:01. > :32:04.in England and Wales have been made to the RSPCA in the past ten years.

:32:05. > :32:05.Campaigners are now calling for longer punishments

:32:06. > :32:09.We'll speak to the owner of a dog who was rescued

:32:10. > :32:15.We'll introduce you to Ruby, too, the dog who was rescued,

:32:16. > :32:19.as well as an undercover investigator.

:32:20. > :32:22.British tour operator Thomas Cook has started to evacuate about 1,000

:32:23. > :32:24.tourists out of the Gambia, where President Yahya Jammeh

:32:25. > :32:27.is refusing to step down and has declared a state of emergency.

:32:28. > :32:46.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:32:47. > :32:48.Figures relating to allegations of historical child sexual abuse

:32:49. > :33:00.The indicative number of victims now stands at 526.

:33:01. > :33:10.Jim Reed will have more later this hour.

:33:11. > :33:11.Unemployment fell by 52,000 to 1.6 million in the three months to

:33:12. > :33:14.November. The Foreign Secretary has said

:33:15. > :33:17.countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

:33:18. > :33:20.when it leaves the European Union Boris Johnson also suggests that

:33:21. > :33:22.agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50

:33:23. > :33:24.negotiations are concluded. Mr Johnson is currently on a visit

:33:25. > :33:27.to India and praised I think that the Prime Minister set

:33:28. > :33:35.out a very powerful, a very positive vision yesterday

:33:36. > :33:38.for how we can do a deal, that will not just benefit our friends

:33:39. > :33:41.in the rest of the EU, but also drive growth in the rest

:33:42. > :33:45.of the world and one of the points I will be making here in India

:33:46. > :33:48.is that we think we can do free trade deals which will be

:33:49. > :33:51.for the benefit of both our countries, both Britain

:33:52. > :33:55.and India as well. Mobile operator EE has been fined

:33:56. > :33:58.?2.7 million for overcharging tens The penalty, imposed

:33:59. > :34:07.by telecoms regulator Ofcom, after an investigation found

:34:08. > :34:09.that the UK's biggest mobile network broke a billing

:34:10. > :34:13.rule on two occasions, overcharging customers

:34:14. > :34:16.using the 150 customer services number within the EU

:34:17. > :34:18.and billing them even EE has apologised and says it has

:34:19. > :34:22.put measures in place to prevent Thomas Cook is preparing to bring

:34:23. > :34:30.thousands of British holiday-akers home from Gambia

:34:31. > :34:32.because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

:34:33. > :34:35.people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

:34:36. > :34:37.after its President refused to step down and declared

:34:38. > :34:40.a state of emergency. Thomas Cook said it was implementing

:34:41. > :34:42.contingency plans to bring home all its UK customers on additional

:34:43. > :34:50.flights over the next 48 hours. That's a summary of

:34:51. > :34:52.the latest BBC News. Dan Evans is up against seventh seed

:34:53. > :35:04.Marin Cilic in the 2nd Evans lost the first set 3-6,

:35:05. > :35:07.but managed to fightback He's going with serve in the third

:35:08. > :35:16.set. Non-league Lincoln City beat

:35:17. > :35:18.Championship side Ipswich Town 1-0 last night in their third round FA

:35:19. > :35:22.Cup replay. It's the first time they've got this

:35:23. > :35:25.far since the late Graham Taylor Another non-league side,

:35:26. > :35:33.Sutton United, also made it through. They beat League One AFC Wimbledon

:35:34. > :35:37.3-1 in their replay. They're now at home to Leeds

:35:38. > :35:40.in the fourth round. Manchester City midfielder

:35:41. > :35:42.Yaya Toure has turned down ?430,000 It's the second time a club

:35:43. > :35:51.in the Chinese Super League has tried to tempt him away

:35:52. > :35:54.from the Premier League. England women head coach

:35:55. > :35:57.Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

:35:58. > :36:01.for the Six Nations. England host defending

:36:02. > :36:02.champions France in their That's all the sport for now. I will

:36:03. > :36:15.have more just after 10am. A wheelchair user who has taken

:36:16. > :36:18.a disability discrimination case to the Supreme Court

:36:19. > :36:21.is about to find out if he has won. It's the first case of its kind

:36:22. > :36:24.to be taken to such a high level. Doug Paulley wasn't able to get

:36:25. > :36:27.on a FirstGroup bus in Wetherby because a mum refused

:36:28. > :36:38.to move her child's buggy out Clive Coleman is outside the Supreme

:36:39. > :36:43.Court. Fill us in on the detail. This is a story basically about a

:36:44. > :36:46.man who tried to get on a bus in a wheelchair, the one dedicated

:36:47. > :36:50.wheelchair space was occupied by a woman with a buggy and she refused

:36:51. > :36:54.to move and it has come to this the Supreme Courtment the reason it has,

:36:55. > :36:59.is that it is effectively testing the policy that was operated by the

:37:00. > :37:05.bus operator First Group whereby its drivers were told that they had to

:37:06. > :37:09.request, but not require someone, a non-wheelchair user to move from the

:37:10. > :37:14.wheelchair space. Initially Doug Paulley sued and he won a ruling

:37:15. > :37:17.that that policy, amounted to unlawful disability discrimination.

:37:18. > :37:21.The case went to the Court of Appeal. They reversed that decision

:37:22. > :37:26.and now it has come to the highest court in the land and the reason it

:37:27. > :37:29.is so significant Victoria is the implications for service providers

:37:30. > :37:34.whether it is train companies, supermarkets, who have disabled

:37:35. > :37:37.spaces in their car parks, or disabled toilets on trabs, that kind

:37:38. > :37:42.of thing, will be watching very carefully to see just how far they

:37:43. > :37:47.have to go to ensure that wheelchair users get to use those separately

:37:48. > :37:50.dedicated spaces. So it is a really significant case as far as service

:37:51. > :37:54.providers are concerned and a significant case for Doug Paulley

:37:55. > :37:58.who has been fighting this battle since 2012. He'll financed out today

:37:59. > :38:03.if he has won. In the next hour, do you reckon? What are the timings, or

:38:04. > :38:10.don't we know? 9.45am for the judgement. So within the next ten

:38:11. > :38:11.minutes. We will be back with Clive live outside the Supreme Court as

:38:12. > :38:20.soon as the judgement is delivered. There have been almost 5,000 calls

:38:21. > :38:23.to the RSPCA reporting dog fighting But figures released to BBC

:38:24. > :38:27.South East show over the same period of time only 137 people

:38:28. > :38:29.were prosecuted by the charity for We're about to show

:38:30. > :38:40.you two short clips given You might find them

:38:41. > :38:52.distressing so I wanted to let We have an acting chief inspector

:38:53. > :39:01.right here. What breeds of dogs are they? Those dogs on there, are pit

:39:02. > :39:07.bull, terrier cross type dogs. OK. Jane is here. We're going to talk to

:39:08. > :39:14.Steve Duncan with his dog Ruby who was rescued from a dogfight trainer.

:39:15. > :39:17.And David as well, who is an undercover investigator with the

:39:18. > :39:23.League Against Cruel Sports and because of his work, we aren't

:39:24. > :39:31.identifying him. Tell us about the state Ruby was in

:39:32. > :39:38.when she was rescued. She was in a dreadful state. Most of these bait

:39:39. > :39:42.dogs don't make it through, 99 out of 100 die from their injuries, but

:39:43. > :39:50.she was in a terrible, terrible state. Most of her fur was missing.

:39:51. > :39:55.Her back tendon was bitten through. Half her tail was chewed through.

:39:56. > :40:00.Just dreadful, dreadful. Fortunately the UK German shepherd rescue

:40:01. > :40:04.managed to rescue her and it has been a long haul, but we've got her

:40:05. > :40:10.back to the sort of condition she is in today. Yes, what about, I mean,

:40:11. > :40:20.physical injuries, she has recovered thank goodness, do you see any other

:40:21. > :40:25.impact though? Well, psychologically, she is very sort

:40:26. > :40:31.of, well you wouldn't know it at the moment, but she is very sort of

:40:32. > :40:38.low-key and there is a way to go yet, with you she is getting there,

:40:39. > :40:41.it has been a few years, but we're going in the right direction. She is

:40:42. > :40:47.stunning. Jane, can you describe what happens in a dogfight? It is

:40:48. > :40:52.one of the most barbaric forms of animal cruelty to be honest. It

:40:53. > :40:59.generally involves an organisation behind it. It's a meeting where two

:41:00. > :41:04.dogs are brought together for the purpose of fighting. Are they

:41:05. > :41:07.trained to fight? How do the organisers get them to fight?

:41:08. > :41:12.Unfortunately the animals are, you know, trained to fight. They are put

:41:13. > :41:17.through quite an intensive training regime that involves running on

:41:18. > :41:21.treadmills, sometimes steroids are given and these animals are in the

:41:22. > :41:26.peak of physical fitness when they are put into the ring to fight. And

:41:27. > :41:31.the purpose is for people to bet on which dog will win? In some

:41:32. > :41:36.instances, yes, a lot of money can change hands in these fights. Is it

:41:37. > :41:41.true that domestic dogs are stolen to act as bait sometimes? Tell he

:41:42. > :41:46.what goes on there? There is a belief that this is taking place. A

:41:47. > :41:51.belief? We don't know for sure. It is difficult to prove 100%, but

:41:52. > :41:57.certainly there have been instances and with kittens also that animals

:41:58. > :42:03.have been found with marks on them, dye, some indication that they may

:42:04. > :42:09.have been used as bait animals in fights, but it is very difficult

:42:10. > :42:12.to... What do you mean? There is two dogs, they chuck a kitten or a

:42:13. > :42:16.smaller dog and the two fight over that creature? When they're

:42:17. > :42:20.preparing an animal for fight, to fight, and it is during that

:42:21. > :42:27.training process, in order to prove the instinct that animal is game and

:42:28. > :42:30.is willing to fight, they start to practise on various things as they

:42:31. > :42:34.go through the training process. Oh goodness me. David, tell our

:42:35. > :42:41.audience a little bit about the work that you're involved with. Well, the

:42:42. > :42:46.League Against Cruel Sports aims to try and prevent dogfighting. I think

:42:47. > :42:50.once we get to any dogfighting prosecutions we've failed anyway. We

:42:51. > :42:53.need to try and prevent it and to be able to prevent it, we need to

:42:54. > :42:57.understand how it operates and then we need to work with partners and we

:42:58. > :43:02.need to engage with others to try and find ways to educate those that

:43:03. > :43:08.want to be involved in dogfighting, but also finding ways to be able to

:43:09. > :43:13.work as partners together to be able to prevent it and stop it happening

:43:14. > :43:16.in the first place. But your work undercover then, what does that

:43:17. > :43:20.involve? Well, traditionally undercover work was in the field,

:43:21. > :43:25.but as we move into 21st century it has changed a lot more to being

:43:26. > :43:29.online undercover work. So dogfighters have to communicate with

:43:30. > :43:34.each other. So a lot of the undercover work is assessing the

:43:35. > :43:37.language that they're communicating with online and being able to

:43:38. > :43:40.understand what they're talking about and predicting when things are

:43:41. > :43:45.going to happen and understanding how they're going to operate. What

:43:46. > :43:50.do you with that information, if you knew they were arranging a dogfight,

:43:51. > :43:54.what do you do with the info? The information would go to the police

:43:55. > :43:59.who would go to the RSPCA if we knew a dogfight was about to happen. The

:44:00. > :44:03.RSPCA tends to take the lead. We would be pushing for the police to

:44:04. > :44:05.take more of a lead. We realise it is to the one of their

:44:06. > :44:10.responsibilities at the moment, but we would push for the police to take

:44:11. > :44:13.a lead to deal with an impending dogfight, but more importantly, we

:44:14. > :44:17.would understand more of how it operates and it is only when you

:44:18. > :44:20.pool all that information together can you start making strategic

:44:21. > :44:24.decisions on how to tackle dogfighting. OK, Jane, the maximum

:44:25. > :44:31.prison sentence for being involved or organising or attending a

:44:32. > :44:34.dogfight like the ones we've shown to our audience, five months in

:44:35. > :44:37.Northern Ireland and six months in England and Wales. That was the

:44:38. > :44:42.maximum sentence imposed under that piece of legislation. So

:44:43. > :44:45.unfortunately, whilst, you know, we sympathize with member of the

:44:46. > :44:49.public's opinion when they hear the maximum sentence is six months, that

:44:50. > :44:55.is the maximum that can be imposed by magistrates. Is it deterring

:44:56. > :45:00.anybody? Is it useless in England and Wales? To be honest with you, if

:45:01. > :45:03.you're operating at the lel that some of these organised gangs are,

:45:04. > :45:09.it is an occupational hazard that they will take a six month prison

:45:10. > :45:14.sentence on the chin. And clearly, that's the maximum and sentences are

:45:15. > :45:17.reduced anyway once they enter the prison system. We would certainly

:45:18. > :45:22.like to see things brought in line with Northern Ireland.

:45:23. > :45:28.Is that likely to happen? I think we need do do a lot more lobbying on

:45:29. > :45:33.that fact. OK, we appreciate your time. David, thaup for your time,

:45:34. > :45:39.undercover investigator with the League Against Cruel Sports. Steve,

:45:40. > :45:45.the future for you and Ruby? The future looks fantastic. As I say,

:45:46. > :45:50.she is fantastic with other dogs, with people, she goes to rescue

:45:51. > :45:55.events where she is basically a bit of a star. It's good, but

:45:56. > :45:59.unfortunately, for every Ruby, there is hundreds of other dogs that are

:46:00. > :46:03.not so lucky. And I think really what I would like to say is when

:46:04. > :46:08.people need to re-home their dogs for whatever reason, avoid the free

:46:09. > :46:13.to a good home route. Or that sort of thing. Go to a rescue. Speak to

:46:14. > :46:16.them. They'll point you in the right direction even if they can't take

:46:17. > :46:21.your dog, they will point you in the right direction. They are good

:46:22. > :46:26.people and I think if the public are educated to what's going on, they're

:46:27. > :46:29.going to be a lot wiser to this terrible, terrible, terrible,

:46:30. > :46:33.so-called sport. Thank you very much. Thank you, Steve. And Ruby. I

:46:34. > :46:37.really appreciate your time. Thank you.

:46:38. > :46:41.The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs told us:

:46:42. > :46:45."Anyone who is cruel to an animal or does not provide for its welfare

:46:46. > :46:47.needs may be banned from owning animals, given an unlimited

:46:48. > :46:54.Coming up: We'll be finding out how thousands of grandparents could be

:46:55. > :46:56.missing out on a special government scheme designed to reimburse

:46:57. > :47:07.to reimburse them for looking after their grandchildren.

:47:08. > :47:09.Thomas Cook chartered planes are heading to The Gambia

:47:10. > :47:11.to bring home nearly 1,000 British holiday-makers.

:47:12. > :47:13.It's because of the worsening political crisis.

:47:14. > :47:15.The Foreign Office is now advising against all but essential travel

:47:16. > :47:18.to the west African country - where President Yahya Jammeh

:47:19. > :47:25.is refusing to accept defeat in last month's election.

:47:26. > :47:27.Our correspondent, Thomas Fessy, has been monitoring the situation

:47:28. > :47:39.There is a risk of unrest, hence foreigners brought home? Yes,

:47:40. > :47:44.exactly. There is a risk of an intervention as West African States

:47:45. > :47:50.have warned Mr Jammeh that if he refused to step down by tomorrow,

:47:51. > :47:56.today being the end of his term, they would intervene militarily and

:47:57. > :48:02.confront his army if it was to back him by tomorrow. Tomorrow is the day

:48:03. > :48:08.when his opponent and President-elect is supposed to be

:48:09. > :48:13.sworn in, but in a spectacular U-turn after he admitted defeat

:48:14. > :48:18.after last month's election, Mr Jammeh suddenly said that he

:48:19. > :48:24.rejected the result of the election, and that the vote should be rerun,

:48:25. > :48:29.and so now we are into this political deadlock that risks

:48:30. > :48:35.spiralling into potential violence in the Gambia, so tour operators are

:48:36. > :48:41.now saying they will evacuate all the tourists and bring them back

:48:42. > :48:50.home. And after the state of emergency, then what? So, President

:48:51. > :48:55.Jammeh is saying that the election challenge that he lodged with the

:48:56. > :49:02.Supreme Court should be heard. The problem is there is a lack of judges

:49:03. > :49:06.at the Supreme Court, and they have hired foreign judges to help them.

:49:07. > :49:09.These judges are not available before me, so the Supreme Court

:49:10. > :49:15.cannot hear the case before the month of May, so President Jammeh is

:49:16. > :49:19.saying, I should stay in power until the court is able to hear the case

:49:20. > :49:25.and we can understand what is going on with the election results. But

:49:26. > :49:29.obviously foreign powers, the international community and

:49:30. > :49:34.President-elect Adama Barrow are saying that there is no way

:49:35. > :49:38.President Jammeh should stay in power until then, he should step

:49:39. > :49:42.down and Adama Barrow should be sworn into office, and the court

:49:43. > :49:50.case may be heard later on. Thank you very much.

:49:51. > :49:53.Let's bring you more now on those new figures relating to allegations

:49:54. > :50:00.of non-recent child sexual abuse in football.

:50:01. > :50:01.The number of suspects in the UK-wide

:50:02. > :50:03.scandal has reached 184, according to the National

:50:04. > :50:23.The latest update, the numbers are over 1000. Yes, the numbers are

:50:24. > :50:30.going up and up. This refers to operation hydrant, the investigation

:50:31. > :50:33.into historical abuse in football. The number of potential victims

:50:34. > :50:38.identified is up by 100, more people still coming forward. It also looks

:50:39. > :50:43.like there has been a sharp rise in the number of clubs involved, going

:50:44. > :50:48.up from 148 in December to 248 in just a month, and you imagine that

:50:49. > :50:57.that is because some of these cases tend to involve multiple clubs, so

:50:58. > :50:59.it might be one accusation of abuse, but further investigation reveals

:51:00. > :51:04.more clubs involved. And in terms of what the police are doing to try to

:51:05. > :51:08.get the bottom of so many allegations, how are they doing

:51:09. > :51:19.this? It is interesting when you look at the statistics. Most men,

:51:20. > :51:23.97% of men, from four to 20-year-old, across all tiers of

:51:24. > :51:27.sport, so this is grassroots right up to some Premier League clubs

:51:28. > :51:30.involved. The vast majority do involve football, but there have

:51:31. > :51:36.been 22 referrals involving other sports, rugby, gymnastics, martial

:51:37. > :51:42.arts, swimming, even golf, so this is across the board. The police say

:51:43. > :51:46.they are seen a decrease in the number of people coming forward to

:51:47. > :51:49.the dedicated NSPCC FA helpline, but instead people seem to be contacting

:51:50. > :51:52.their local police force to recollect and coming forward that

:51:53. > :51:57.way, so the general message is, whatever way you want to come

:51:58. > :52:01.forward, you either dial 101, your local police force, or this

:52:02. > :52:03.dedicated helpline, which is on the screen.

:52:04. > :52:16.Thank you very much. We are waiting for a judgment from

:52:17. > :52:22.the Supreme Court brought by a man called Doug Paulley who couldn't get

:52:23. > :52:25.onto a bus he wanted to get onto, so decided to take it through the legal

:52:26. > :52:37.process to argue that it was discriminatory. A mum wouldn't move

:52:38. > :52:41.her pushchair. One comment says, the trouble with modern pushchairs as

:52:42. > :52:45.they are not designed to fold flat. Bryony says, wheelchair users should

:52:46. > :52:52.get priority. Any parent can collapse a pushchair and put it in

:52:53. > :52:54.the luggage hold. If more people realised they could be disabled

:52:55. > :52:59.tomorrow, there would be more facilities. Not all parents should

:53:00. > :53:03.be tarred with the same brush. Daisy says, people should move the pram

:53:04. > :53:09.for someone any wheelchair, a baby could go on your lap, you can't get

:53:10. > :53:12.of wheelchair. Rebecca says London buses are a nightmare for access for

:53:13. > :53:16.either wheelchairs or pushchairs. Michaels is the overwhelming

:53:17. > :53:20.majority of people are respectful, civil and helpful, but there are

:53:21. > :53:24.those who are obstructive, and even abusive, towards those who wish to

:53:25. > :53:29.use accessible, disabled or blue badge parking facilities. As I said,

:53:30. > :53:33.as soon as we get the ruling, we will bring it to you straightaway.

:53:34. > :53:36.Thank you for your own experiences, they are really helpful in terms of

:53:37. > :53:41.informing... I'm just hearing that Doug Paulley has won a partial

:53:42. > :53:46.victory, that is all we know the moment. We will talk to our legal

:53:47. > :53:49.eagle Clive Coleman, who will explain exactly what that means, as

:53:50. > :53:53.soon as we get him outside the Supreme Court. In the meantime, we

:53:54. > :54:00.are going to talk about the latest jobless figures.

:54:01. > :54:02.We've just had the first figures of the New Year

:54:03. > :54:04.on the jobless total - unemployment is down by 52,000

:54:05. > :54:09.It is the lowest unemployment total for more than a decade, but the

:54:10. > :54:13.number of people in work has also fallen.

:54:14. > :54:15.Let's talk now to the Employment Minister, Damian Hinds

:54:16. > :54:22.Can you explain that our audience? This is a good start would important

:54:23. > :54:29.year. The number of unemployed people is down somewhat, and the

:54:30. > :54:36.rate is still at its 11 year low, the claimant rate is still at its

:54:37. > :54:40.record high, so this is a good start to the year. Unemployment has

:54:41. > :54:46.fallen, but the number of people in work has also fallen? The number of

:54:47. > :54:51.people in work has fallen by a very, very small amount, we are talking

:54:52. > :54:57.about fractions of 1%. Overall, the rate of employment has stayed at the

:54:58. > :55:04.same level as in the previous period, so it stays at the record

:55:05. > :55:08.high level, and I think it is encouraging that the unemployment

:55:09. > :55:14.level has stayed at an 11 year low, and we are seeing good progress

:55:15. > :55:17.particularly on youth unemployment and a new varying courage in figure

:55:18. > :55:23.on the proportion of young people who are unemployed, down to 5.3%.

:55:24. > :55:28.And what you read into these figures more broadly, considering it is the

:55:29. > :55:31.three months to November, so several months after the vote to leave the

:55:32. > :55:36.European Union, when there was a period of uncertainty, let's be

:55:37. > :55:39.honest. I think these figures illustrate the underlying strength,

:55:40. > :55:45.the resilience, of the UK economy, and as we enter 2017, it will be an

:55:46. > :55:49.important year for our country clearly. This gives us confidence.

:55:50. > :55:53.They are encouraging figures, we know in our job centres and what we

:55:54. > :56:00.do to support people that there is always more to do, but we start of

:56:01. > :56:04.2017 in a good position. I want to ask you about Mrs May's Brexit

:56:05. > :56:11.speech. She said yesterday she thinks she can get a brilliant deal

:56:12. > :56:16.with the EU without any of what she called the downsides. Is that

:56:17. > :56:20.realistic? The Prime Minister set out a comprehensive and positive

:56:21. > :56:23.approach to these negotiations. Issue being realistic? It covered

:56:24. > :56:29.all the important areas. The primers to has always been clear that we

:56:30. > :56:32.have to maximise our trade opportunities, growth opportunities,

:56:33. > :56:38.but also make sure that we take back control over immigration, over our

:56:39. > :56:45.laws, over taxpayers' money. We have a shared interest between us and the

:56:46. > :56:48.other members of the European Union into forging a deal that works for

:56:49. > :56:53.Britain and works well for the European Union, so that when your

:56:54. > :57:00.trading partners do well, you do well. How would the EU benefit from

:57:01. > :57:03.giving the UK a special deal? The EU will benefit of the UK economy is

:57:04. > :57:08.doing well, just as the UK economy benefits when the EU economy is

:57:09. > :57:13.doing well or indeed the American Chinese economies and so on. In the

:57:14. > :57:18.international economy, when your trading partners are doing well,

:57:19. > :57:22.that is good for you, it is good for your own private prospects and

:57:23. > :57:25.growth prospects. There is a really important shared interest here, a

:57:26. > :57:30.lot of goodwill on both sides to make sure the best possible deal is

:57:31. > :57:36.struck. Thank you very much, Damian Heinz, employment Minister.

:57:37. > :57:43.Still to come: As one of his last acts as president, Barack Obama has

:57:44. > :57:49.commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning. We will get some reaction

:57:50. > :57:52.to that decision. Let's get the latest weather with Carol, looking

:57:53. > :57:58.divine is always! Back at you!

:57:59. > :58:08.We have had a real difference up and down the country, -7 two plus nine,

:58:09. > :58:14.and even now, we have quite a difference, currently -6 in Kent, -3

:58:15. > :58:18.in Reading, plus three in Plymouth, move further north and we are

:58:19. > :58:24.looking at a real change, because in Edinburgh it is nine, as it is in

:58:25. > :58:29.Stornoway. Under the clear skies, it is cold. We have a lot of cloud

:58:30. > :58:33.around. This picture scented earlier by one of our weather watchers from

:58:34. > :58:39.Staffordshire, and another one showing parts of Wales. What we have

:58:40. > :58:42.is a weather front straight across parts of Wales, the Midlands and

:58:43. > :58:48.Lincolnshire producing sicker cloud and also light rain and drizzle, but

:58:49. > :58:58.we have the clearer skies, allowing temperatures to be so low in the

:58:59. > :59:00.South. This large area of low pressure in the Mediterranean, very

:59:01. > :59:07.unsubtle is, bringing snow across parts of low levels. We have no snow

:59:08. > :59:11.in our forecast, but we are dragging in this cold air from the near

:59:12. > :59:14.continent, elsewhere we have the milder south-westerly is, so more

:59:15. > :59:18.cloud and also some higher temperatures as we go through the

:59:19. > :59:24.course of the day. For many of us, it will amend fairly cloudy, our

:59:25. > :59:28.weather front fizzling in situ, so we will lose a lot of the patchy

:59:29. > :59:33.rain and drizzle, it will just remain around the Windward Coast,

:59:34. > :59:38.and from the South West all the way up to East Anglia, we hang onto that

:59:39. > :59:43.sunshine. Into the afternoon, he is the sunshine, maximum temperature in

:59:44. > :59:49.Barnstaple, eight Celsius, five in Southampton, only four in London. So

:59:50. > :59:52.it will still feel cold. More cloud building across Norfolk and the

:59:53. > :59:56.Midlands through the afternoon, but you can see a lot of cloud as we

:59:57. > :00:04.move north across the rest of England. More persistent rain across

:00:05. > :00:08.Shetland. North-east Scotland will see some breaks, but the Northern

:00:09. > :00:13.Ireland, you will remain fairly cloudy through the day, any bright

:00:14. > :00:17.spells will be at a premium. In Wales, a lot of cloud in the wake of

:00:18. > :00:21.that weather front, the odd spot of rain possible particularly around

:00:22. > :00:25.the coast. Through this evening and overnight, it would be quite as cold

:00:26. > :00:30.as the night just gone, but it still is going to be cold enough for some

:00:31. > :00:36.frost, again some mist and fog patches likely. Still damp along the

:00:37. > :00:40.coast, so milder as we travel further north, still cold in the

:00:41. > :00:44.South itself, but again tomorrow morning there will be some bright

:00:45. > :00:48.skies, sunshine coming through, we lose the mist and fog patches, and

:00:49. > :00:54.again tomorrow there will still be a lot of cloud, but a better chance of

:00:55. > :00:57.seeing some breaks across Wales, Northern Ireland and parts of

:00:58. > :01:03.north-east England, in the shelter of the Pennines. Temperatures, we

:01:04. > :01:07.have been used ten and 11, but they are coming down a touch, Norwich

:01:08. > :01:11.only looking at five, and then if we take a quick look at what is

:01:12. > :01:15.happening on Friday, again quite a lot of cloud around, more in the

:01:16. > :01:18.south, but still the Fasan seeing some sunshine. Temperatures closer

:01:19. > :01:36.to where they should be the January. A partial victory for a wheel care

:01:37. > :01:42.user who tried to get on a bus, but couldn't. We will be live outside

:01:43. > :01:47.the Supreme Court in a moment. The Brexit Secretary believes he can

:01:48. > :01:52.deliver the best deal for Britain on leaving the EU. It is in everybody's

:01:53. > :01:56.interest to get a good deal. There are ?290 billion of exports from

:01:57. > :01:59.Europe to us every year, cars, pharmaceuticals, food, you name it.

:02:00. > :02:06.They want to keep that as much as we do.

:02:07. > :02:08.If you're helping look after your grandchildren

:02:09. > :02:10.and you're under 65 - you might be one of thousands

:02:11. > :02:13.of grandparents missing out on a special government scheme

:02:14. > :02:24.We'll bring you the details. Right, let's go live to the Supreme

:02:25. > :02:29.Court where Clive Coleman can tell us what happened. Well, this case

:02:30. > :02:33.that Doug Paulley a wheelchair user started in 2012 has reached the

:02:34. > :02:38.highest court in the land. Doug Paulley tried to get on a bus in

:02:39. > :02:41.Wetherby in 2012. He is a wheelchair user and couldn't get into the

:02:42. > :02:47.dedicated wheelchair space because there was a mother with a buggy in

:02:48. > :02:53.that space. The driver of the bus, the bus was operated by First Group,

:02:54. > :03:00.the bus driver asked the woman to move, and she declined. Doug Paulley

:03:01. > :03:05.had to get off the bus and he was delayed. Initially Doug Paulley sued

:03:06. > :03:08.and got a ruling that the policy that First Bus operates of

:03:09. > :03:16.requesting, but not requiring someone to move from the wheelchair

:03:17. > :03:21.space was unlawful disability discrimination. The Court of Appeal

:03:22. > :03:25.said there was no legal duty to make someone move. The court has come to

:03:26. > :03:30.the Supreme Court and Doug Paulley won a ruling that the policy of

:03:31. > :03:34.simply requesting is not sufficient to fulfil the duties of the bus

:03:35. > :03:39.company under the Equality Act. The reason we say it is a partial

:03:40. > :03:44.victory is that the ruling doesn't mean that the bus company must make

:03:45. > :03:49.someone move from that space. They have no real power to do that, but

:03:50. > :03:55.what the judge who gave the lead judgement in the case said today is

:03:56. > :03:59.that requesting is not enough. If someone unreasonably refuses to move

:04:00. > :04:04.from that wheelchair space then the driver has to do more than simply

:04:05. > :04:08.request. He has to for instance turn his request into a requirement at

:04:09. > :04:11.least saying you must move from that space, although he can't physically

:04:12. > :04:15.eject someone from the space. He may also perhaps stop the bus for a

:04:16. > :04:22.number of minutes. The judge said to shame the person who is in the

:04:23. > :04:26.wheelchair space into moving. It is a partial victory and it will be

:04:27. > :04:29.watched very, very carefully by service providers around the

:04:30. > :04:33.country, we are talking about supermarkets with disabled space and

:04:34. > :04:37.train companies with disabled toilets, anywhere where there is a

:04:38. > :04:40.dedicated wheelchair space, service providers will have to do more than

:04:41. > :04:45.simply ask people who are able-bodied or not in a wheelchair

:04:46. > :04:50.to move and to vacate the spaces, they will have to up the ante, this

:04:51. > :04:54.judgement could cause confusion with service providers not quite sure how

:04:55. > :04:59.far they have to go to enforce what is a lawful policy of trying to move

:05:00. > :05:03.people out of dedicated wheelchair spaces. So a partial victory for

:05:04. > :05:08.Doug Paulley. He will be, I think, very pleased with this in so far as

:05:09. > :05:19.it goes. Unfortunately, for him, the court did not award damages. He had

:05:20. > :05:22.won ?55500 in damages. He has not been awarded damages and he will be

:05:23. > :05:25.disappointed, but pleased with the principle that simply requesting

:05:26. > :05:32.someone to move is not enough. Cheers, Clive. We will hear from

:05:33. > :05:35.Doug Paulley because's the Supreme Court. If you are a bus driver, how

:05:36. > :05:39.do you react to this judgement then? You have to do more than request

:05:40. > :05:43.that a mum or dad with a buggy move out of the space for wheelchairs,

:05:44. > :05:47.what does that mean, does it mean getting out of your cab and having a

:05:48. > :05:51.reasonable conversation? How would you interpret that? Let me know.

:05:52. > :05:55.We'll bring you the rest of the news now. Here is Joanna.

:05:56. > :05:58.In the past hour, it's been revealed that there are now more

:05:59. > :06:00.than a thousand cases of allegations of historical child

:06:01. > :06:04.The figures come from the National Police Chiefs' Council.

:06:05. > :06:08.The estimated number of victims now stands at over 500.

:06:09. > :06:10.Unemployment has plunged to its lowest total for more

:06:11. > :06:15.than a decade, but the number of people in work has also fallen.

:06:16. > :06:17.Figures from the Office for National Statistics show that UK

:06:18. > :06:20.unemployment fell by 52,000 to 1.6 million in three

:06:21. > :06:26.But the numbers in work fell by 9,000 to 31.8 million,

:06:27. > :06:35.The Employment Minister said the figures were positive. The number of

:06:36. > :06:42.unemployed people is down somewhat and the rate is still at its 11-year

:06:43. > :06:45.low. The employment rate is still at its record high. So this is a good

:06:46. > :06:58.start to the year. Southern says it will restore a full

:06:59. > :07:03.train service from next week now that ASLEF has suss spended action.

:07:04. > :07:06.The union is in dispute with Southern's parent company GTR over

:07:07. > :07:10.the role of conductors on driver-only operated trains.

:07:11. > :07:14.Amounting to Britain's worst rail strikes in 20 years.

:07:15. > :07:17.The Foreign Secretary has said countries are "queuing up" to sign

:07:18. > :07:21.free trade deals with Britain when it leaves the European Union

:07:22. > :07:23.Boris Johnson also suggests that agreements could be achieved quickly

:07:24. > :07:25.after the Article 50 negotiations are concluded.

:07:26. > :07:28.Mr Johnson is currently on a visit to India and praised

:07:29. > :07:35.I think that the Prime Minister set out a very powerful,

:07:36. > :07:38.a very positive vision yesterday for how we can do a deal, that

:07:39. > :07:45.will not just benefit our friends in the rest of the EU,

:07:46. > :07:49.but also drive growth in the rest of the world and one of the points

:07:50. > :07:52.I will be making here in India is that we think we can do free

:07:53. > :07:55.trade deals which will be for the benefit of both our

:07:56. > :07:57.countries, both Britain and India as well.

:07:58. > :08:01.Mobile operator EE has been fined ?2.7 million for overcharging tens

:08:02. > :08:04.The penalty, imposed by telecoms regulator Ofcom

:08:05. > :08:07.after an investigation, found that the UK's biggest mobile

:08:08. > :08:08.network broke a billing rule on two occasions,

:08:09. > :08:11.overcharging customers using the 150 customer services

:08:12. > :08:13.number within the EU, and billing them even

:08:14. > :08:24.EE has apologised and says it has put measures in place to prevent

:08:25. > :08:34.President Obama has cut the sentence of Chelsea Manning,

:08:35. > :08:37.who was jailed for 35 years for leaking intelligence secrets.

:08:38. > :08:41.Manning's supporters have campaigned for years for her release,

:08:42. > :08:43.maintaining she's a whistle-blower and not a traitor.

:08:44. > :08:45.The former military analyst, who was born Bradley Manning but had

:08:46. > :08:49.hormone therapy in prison, will be released in May.

:08:50. > :08:52.Thomas Cook is preparing to bring thousands of British

:08:53. > :08:54.holiday-makers home from Gambia because of a worsening

:08:55. > :09:00.The Foreign Office is advising people to avoid all but essential

:09:01. > :09:02.travel to the country after its President refused

:09:03. > :09:04.to step down and declared a state of emergency.

:09:05. > :09:07.Thomas Cook said it was implementing contingency plans to bring home

:09:08. > :09:16.all its UK customers on additional flights over the next 48 hours.

:09:17. > :09:18.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:09:19. > :09:34.Where else should I start, but tennis?

:09:35. > :09:36.British number three Dan Evans is 2-1 up

:09:37. > :09:39.against Marin Cilic in the second round of the Australian Open.

:09:40. > :09:49.Seventh seed Cilic took the first set, but Evans took the second

:09:50. > :09:52.Commentary from Melbourne is on 5 live sports extra.

:09:53. > :09:54.Andy Murray is on court shortly against Russian

:09:55. > :09:59.The non-league side beat Ipswich Town of the Championship

:10:00. > :10:03.1-0 in their FA Cup third round replay.

:10:04. > :10:05.The first time they've got this far since Graham Taylor

:10:06. > :10:12.The drama was left until the 91st minute

:10:13. > :10:15.when Nathan Arnold scored a well-deserved winner for Lincoln,

:10:16. > :10:21.who'll be at home to Brighton in the fourth round.

:10:22. > :10:26.People talk about the finances, but for me, football is not about money,

:10:27. > :10:30.it is about the moment. It is about nights like this. It's about the

:10:31. > :10:36.smiles on people's faces. That's what football is about. So, you

:10:37. > :10:40.know, that to me has been the great part of this journey.

:10:41. > :10:43.And another non-league side, Sutton United, also made it through.

:10:44. > :10:46.They beat League One's AFC Wimbledon 3-1 in their replay.

:10:47. > :10:50.That earned Sutton a lucrative televised tie at home

:10:51. > :11:01.I thought our supporters were magnificent. They stuck with us.

:11:02. > :11:06.What a reward for them. And really, you know, this team, it is just a

:11:07. > :11:08.fantastic group of players. A great spirit amongst them and they deserve

:11:09. > :11:13.all the credit. Manchester City midfielder

:11:14. > :11:21.Yaya Toure has turned down ?430,000 a week to play

:11:22. > :11:23.for a Chinese club. It's the second time a club

:11:24. > :11:26.in the Chinese Super League has His contract at Manchester City runs

:11:27. > :11:30.out at the end of the season but it's believed he wants to stay

:11:31. > :11:33.in the Premier League. Europe's captain will be able

:11:34. > :11:36.to choose four players for next Thomas Bjorn will get to pick one

:11:37. > :11:40.more player than Darren Clarke It's part of a revamp

:11:41. > :11:43.of the qualifying system after Europe lost heavily

:11:44. > :11:47.to the United States in Hazeltine. England women head coach

:11:48. > :11:50.Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

:11:51. > :11:53.for the Six Nations. England host defending

:11:54. > :11:58.champions France in their It's a tournament that should see

:11:59. > :12:05.Tamara Taylor win her 100th cap - and one that she thinks is ideal

:12:06. > :12:15.preparation for the World Our family is back together as a

:12:16. > :12:17.whole. The Six Nations is an amaying tournament because you get to have

:12:18. > :12:21.an international nearly every week that you don't get in any other

:12:22. > :12:24.tournament for us. So that's going to be a huge preparation. Again, we

:12:25. > :12:32.get to play some of the top teams in the world.

:12:33. > :12:37.On update on the tennis, Dan Evans 2-1 set up in his second round tie

:12:38. > :12:42.and it is going with serve in the fourth set. It is 1-1. Andy Murray

:12:43. > :12:47.will be on court later. That's all the sport for now.

:12:48. > :12:51.Wheelchair Doug Paulley has partially won his court at the

:12:52. > :12:55.Supreme Court against a bus operator after he tried to get on a bus, but

:12:56. > :12:59.couldn't because a buggy was in the way. The court decided that non des

:13:00. > :13:04.abled people occupying a wheelchair space can't be forced to move by

:13:05. > :13:06.law, but said bus drivers must do much more to try to sort the problem

:13:07. > :13:15.out. Let's talk now to four people

:13:16. > :13:18.who say their disability has meant they've struggled with accessibility

:13:19. > :13:20.on public transport. Will Pike had an incident just this

:13:21. > :13:23.week on a bus where the ramp Romina Puma, like Doug Paulley,

:13:24. > :13:26.has been refused bus rides in the past because of pushchairs

:13:27. > :13:29.in the disabled space. Zoe Williams says one in ten trips

:13:30. > :13:32.on public transport feel Samantha Renke says every day feels

:13:33. > :13:39.like a Tube strike for her. Goodness me. OK, let's talk about

:13:40. > :13:44.what happened at the Supreme Court. Your reaction that bus drivers they

:13:45. > :13:50.have to do a little bit more than request that someone moves the buggy

:13:51. > :13:53.from the wheelchair space by might mean finding another space or

:13:54. > :13:58.shaming the person that won't move the buggy, what do you think, Zoe? I

:13:59. > :14:02.think the whole point of this case was to try and get a little bit more

:14:03. > :14:05.clarity about how far bus drivers are meant to go in terms of

:14:06. > :14:10.requiring people to move out of the space. I'm not sure this ruling has

:14:11. > :14:18.actually provided that clarity. You're smiling. Go on, Will? Zoe

:14:19. > :14:24.should continue. I think she hit the nail on the head. We were seeking

:14:25. > :14:29.some clarity. Doug has done an incredible job in bringing this

:14:30. > :14:33.issue to light and to the mainstream media's attention and at the end of

:14:34. > :14:38.it, there is no news. It is back to square one. People are going to be

:14:39. > :14:43.searching for some grey air offia truth this this. Can you envisage

:14:44. > :14:47.being on a bus, we have got this, whatever this is, this judgement,

:14:48. > :14:55.this ruling, and there is a buggy there. What happens? I mean, I

:14:56. > :15:00.normally ask the buggy to move, that's always a bit awkward. I never

:15:01. > :15:04.once had a bus driver come to the area and ask for that to be moved.

:15:05. > :15:08.It is normally myself or somebody who I'm with. That can just be a bit

:15:09. > :15:11.awkward. Particularly when it is a full bus. It has been raining

:15:12. > :15:15.outside, but I need to get on that bus because like everyone else I

:15:16. > :15:19.have got a job and I have got to go places. I can't just wait outside

:15:20. > :15:24.for three or four buses and that has actually happened. I have been

:15:25. > :15:28.waiting for several buses. Clive Coleman was suggesting that, you

:15:29. > :15:32.know, the bus driver will sort of call out the parent who has got the

:15:33. > :15:35.buggy in the wheelchair space and try and shame them in some way. Is

:15:36. > :15:40.that going to work? No, it is not going to work because it happened in

:15:41. > :15:45.the past. When they asked the mums or the parents to fold up the prams

:15:46. > :15:50.they say no, I'm not going to do it and the driver looks at me and says,

:15:51. > :15:55.they don't want to do it. What can I do? Well, I need to get on a bus

:15:56. > :16:02.too. He can fold up the pram. I can't. It is just a priority and

:16:03. > :16:08.also, all those signs there, priority wheelchairs, it is just

:16:09. > :16:13.like, it is like an ornament. The creation. The gesture. Just get rid

:16:14. > :16:16.of them and put some adverts instead. It is misleading, I don't

:16:17. > :16:28.think it is fair. I was recently on a train with the

:16:29. > :16:32.same scenario, I couldn't get to a wheelchair space because people had

:16:33. > :16:37.left their baggage all over. The sign said, priority by law. But if

:16:38. > :16:43.it is by law, why isn't it being enforced? Why are people putting

:16:44. > :16:47.their stuff there? I think attitudes towards disability needs to change.

:16:48. > :16:52.Do think there hasn't been much progress. I think there has in some

:16:53. > :16:58.areas, but people still don't realise that we are like everyone

:16:59. > :17:02.else, we have jobs, places to be. We are not going to just sit at home,

:17:03. > :17:06.and that is where people need to change their mentality. Disabled

:17:07. > :17:10.people should be thought of as integral parts of the community, and

:17:11. > :17:13.not someone that is just sitting at home feeling sorry for themselves,

:17:14. > :17:17.because that is completely not the case. Tell me about the ramp

:17:18. > :17:23.incident, well. It wasn't within the last week, but we were talking about

:17:24. > :17:31.this in the Green room before. All of us have a situation where the

:17:32. > :17:35.ramp has broken. I have cleared a bus load of passengers on a Monday

:17:36. > :17:38.morning rush-hour, and what that taps into family is the amount of

:17:39. > :17:42.confidence and mental, emotional strength it takes just to leave the

:17:43. > :17:48.house and accomplish things that would be quite straightforward for

:17:49. > :17:52.able-bodied people. And it is just that lack of empathy sometimes and

:17:53. > :17:58.humanity within a situation that means you are left with the Khyber

:17:59. > :18:04.of -- a type of conflict that nobody wants to have. In dog's case, it is

:18:05. > :18:08.an example of how far people want to take it, but he is not saying that

:18:09. > :18:14.everybody should have to go down this path, because for years is far

:18:15. > :18:18.too long for the process, and the outcome has undermined a lot of the

:18:19. > :18:24.work it has been doing. Certain charities like Scope who have been

:18:25. > :18:28.supporting his case I left going, where does this leave us? Because we

:18:29. > :18:33.had a response. And bus operators will be thinking that. Zoe, it seems

:18:34. > :18:38.what we are talking about here is not only a shift in the minds of

:18:39. > :18:43.able-bodied people, but also still it is clear facilities which are

:18:44. > :18:47.supposed to be there for people using wheelchairs are not, or if

:18:48. > :18:53.they are, they are not functioning properly. I think that's true. If

:18:54. > :18:54.you look at the design of most public transport, it is not designed

:18:55. > :18:59.with wheelchair users in mind. There public transport, it is not designed

:19:00. > :19:03.is provision made for wheelchair users within a design primarily

:19:04. > :19:07.aimed at non-wheelchair users, so you will always be an afterthought,

:19:08. > :19:13.whereas a better design would be one that actually takes the idea that

:19:14. > :19:16.wheelchair users do need to use this facility, and adopt that into the

:19:17. > :19:20.central part of the design rather than putting a space in afterwards.

:19:21. > :19:25.On trains, for example, there isn't enough space for luggage and

:19:26. > :19:28.wheelchairs, so luggage tends to take priority, because more people

:19:29. > :19:31.have luggage, but it doesn't have to be that way. If there was more

:19:32. > :19:36.space, we wouldn't have this conflict. If some bosses had space

:19:37. > :19:41.for wheelchairs and pushchairs, there would be less of a problem.

:19:42. > :19:45.Let me read you some comments from people around the country. They are

:19:46. > :19:51.not also pathetic. They are not rude, but they are not all

:19:52. > :19:54.sympathetic. Iris, I am a mother of three who tries to use as much

:19:55. > :19:57.public transport as possible. The question is not whether a wheelchair

:19:58. > :20:02.user should always have the right to get a space on the bus. If there is

:20:03. > :20:05.a parent with one child, of course they can collapse the Bushchan hold

:20:06. > :20:10.their child, but what about a mother with a toddler and a newborn. How is

:20:11. > :20:17.she supposed to have both on her lap and left a heavy pram? What she has

:20:18. > :20:21.tried to do with that, comment is generate some sort of sympathy

:20:22. > :20:24.towards her plight. We get it, that particular journey might become

:20:25. > :20:29.difficult for you, and what we are saying is, there are probably

:20:30. > :20:32.countless journeys where these interactions take place, and they

:20:33. > :20:40.are Ogleby handled sensibly. This type of debate, pushchairs versus

:20:41. > :20:44.wheelchairs, doesn't help, it is not about these people. I cannot in all

:20:45. > :20:52.honesty CYA adult in a wheelchair has any more right to use the space

:20:53. > :20:58.provided, this comment says. If mothers with pushchairs didn't

:20:59. > :21:02.campaign to create wheelchair spaces within public transport, people with

:21:03. > :21:06.wheelchairs did. And that is the only place where a person with a

:21:07. > :21:11.wheelchair can sit on the bus. I was on a bus last week with a mother and

:21:12. > :21:15.two very young Jordan, and other passengers on the bus helped her

:21:16. > :21:21.arrange the children in a way that was safe. I find it generally 95% of

:21:22. > :21:26.the time, people on the bus are helpful and will help someone in

:21:27. > :21:29.difficulty, but it is a pain to have to rely on the goodwill of others,

:21:30. > :21:33.and I understand that, but we have to rely on the goodwill of others

:21:34. > :21:41.100% of the time. People need to take a turn. What I found really

:21:42. > :21:45.heartbreaking with the stories about the trains and now today with this,

:21:46. > :21:50.I get messages from a number of people with different impairments,

:21:51. > :21:53.and they say, this is why I don't go on public transport, I am too

:21:54. > :21:59.scared. Being disabled can be isolating enough without thinking,

:22:00. > :22:04.my goodness, I don't even want to get on a bus and go to the shops. I

:22:05. > :22:12.think that is what we need to look at. To be terrified to just get on a

:22:13. > :22:16.bus, which body else can take for granted. This person says, and

:22:17. > :22:23.forcing disabled spaces on buses is easy. Stop the bus until the selfish

:22:24. > :22:28.person complies, either out of shame, or peer pressure from other

:22:29. > :22:32.passengers. The driver turned the engine off and says, right, we are

:22:33. > :22:39.not going anywhere until you move. Someone is going to do that! One of

:22:40. > :22:43.the things that happened to me was I had my scooter, and it was late at

:22:44. > :22:48.night, I was tired, it was raining and cold, I just wanted to go home,

:22:49. > :22:53.and the driver didn't let me on the bus because he said that the scooter

:22:54. > :23:00.wasn't in the specification to be allowed on a bus, it was too big. It

:23:01. > :23:07.is, I checked three times. So I was very sure that it could go on, so I

:23:08. > :23:13.was thinking, I should go just in front of the bus and stop the bus.

:23:14. > :23:20.What stop to taking that action? There was no slope to go down! But

:23:21. > :23:24.in the end, what I did, she didn't let me on, and I managed to catch

:23:25. > :23:28.the following one which was faster than the first one, so I got to my

:23:29. > :23:33.stop and I waited for her, and I knocked, and I wanted the details to

:23:34. > :23:38.do a complaint, but she didn't open the door, she just went off. That

:23:39. > :23:42.was the worst experience I had. I can see Clive Coleman has hotfooted

:23:43. > :23:47.it to outside of the Supreme Court to fill us in about this partial

:23:48. > :23:52.judgment. We have been reacting to that in the studio here, Clive. A

:23:53. > :23:58.partial victory is probably a better way to describe it. This battle by

:23:59. > :24:02.Doug Paulley, this legal battle which started when he simply try to

:24:03. > :24:07.get on a bus in 2012 to go from Wetherby to Leeds, and there was a

:24:08. > :24:11.policy on the bus operator at the time which was to request but not

:24:12. > :24:16.require a non-wheelchair user to vacate the wheelchair space. That

:24:17. > :24:23.policy has been at the centre of this legal battle. Doug Paulley

:24:24. > :24:25.initially won a victory that that policy was disability

:24:26. > :24:29.discrimination, that was reversed by the Court of Appeal, it has come to

:24:30. > :24:32.the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court today have ruled that that

:24:33. > :24:38.policy of requested that someone move from that space doesn't go far

:24:39. > :24:42.enough. Doug Paulley has won a victory that means the bus companies

:24:43. > :24:46.simply will have to do more. We will talk about exactly what I have to do

:24:47. > :24:56.by way of further action in a moment, but first of all let's talk

:24:57. > :25:01.to Doug. Five years, you just try to get on a bus! Yes, who would have

:25:02. > :25:05.thought that five years on I would still be discussing that day I tried

:25:06. > :25:11.to go to my parents' for lunch! I was an hour late, my mum and dad

:25:12. > :25:14.have been at every hearing since, and my mother very suddenly died

:25:15. > :25:20.last summer and didn't get to see the end of this. She has been with

:25:21. > :25:24.me all the way. It has just been amazing, the amount of support but I

:25:25. > :25:29.have had off so many people, disabled people, organisations,

:25:30. > :25:32.lawyers, family, allies, and this hopefully is going to make a major

:25:33. > :25:38.difference to disabled people's travel. Perhaps it didn't go quite

:25:39. > :25:44.as far as you had wanted. It seems to be reading the judgment that what

:25:45. > :25:48.is being said is that drivers will have to put some pressure on the

:25:49. > :25:53.person who is within the space to move, but they can't physically move

:25:54. > :25:58.them, there is no legal duty which means that operators have the right

:25:59. > :26:01.to remove somebody, to kick them out of that space, but they have to do

:26:02. > :26:08.more than they currently do? Not all of the Justices agreed, at least one

:26:09. > :26:13.said there was the power to do that. So there was a significant agreement

:26:14. > :26:17.on some details. In any case, these things are always a matter of

:26:18. > :26:21.judgment. Drivers have to judge how to react to somebody smoking or

:26:22. > :26:27.causing a disturbance or eating smelly food, the famous kebabs that

:26:28. > :26:31.has appeared in every hearing. So there always has to be some

:26:32. > :26:35.judgment, and there will always be some exceptional circumstances where

:26:36. > :26:39.somebody can't be expected to move out of the space. But what this

:26:40. > :26:46.judgment means is that the driver has to make their own decision as to

:26:47. > :26:51.whether or not the person is being unreasonable in refusing to move,

:26:52. > :26:56.and if they are, he or she has to tell them that they are required to

:26:57. > :27:04.move, and if necessary reviews to move the bus until they shift. So I

:27:05. > :27:07.think that is very clear. Lets talk to Chris Fryer, your solicitor, who

:27:08. > :27:11.has been fighting this case right the way through the entire English

:27:12. > :27:16.legal system, in just about every court! Chris, just explain. Some

:27:17. > :27:19.people will think this will cause more confusion, because drivers

:27:20. > :27:23.perhaps won't know how to put pressure or how much pressure to put

:27:24. > :27:27.on somebody to move, and you could be in a worse position than you were

:27:28. > :27:33.before. It is difficult to see how it could be worse than anybody. This

:27:34. > :27:38.is a fairly clear judgment from the Supreme Court, that the policy of

:27:39. > :27:42.requested retreat, the driver asking someone to move and then washing

:27:43. > :27:48.their hands on it, is a dead policy. Bus companies should now be

:27:49. > :27:58.operating to the Paulley principle, which is... Doug, you have a

:27:59. > :28:02.principle named after you! It is quite a name. So many people have

:28:03. > :28:08.done so much, this is only that have done it on my own. Chris, explaining

:28:09. > :28:12.detail what the principle is. It is fairly straightforward, if you are a

:28:13. > :28:16.disable passenger, you have enforceable rights over that space.

:28:17. > :28:22.The Supreme Court agreed unanimously that that was the case. Whether

:28:23. > :28:31.judgment falls short, and we clearly there was a dispute between three of

:28:32. > :28:35.the Supremes in particular, is there is no writers things currently stand

:28:36. > :28:40.to force someone off a bus, so it goes as far as that, but not that

:28:41. > :28:43.far yet. Yet, because we know that Parliament has been looking at the

:28:44. > :28:50.outcome of the case and is looking at legislating to give clarity over

:28:51. > :28:53.those additional rights, so Doug has changed everything for disabled

:28:54. > :28:57.passengers. He has changed the culture, and it looks as though the

:28:58. > :29:00.decision in the fullness of time will achieve the change reality for.

:29:01. > :29:06.And a quick word with Robin Allen QC. He is your barrister throughout

:29:07. > :29:09.this battle. How far do you think this principle extends in terms of

:29:10. > :29:12.service providers, talking about disabled parking spaces in

:29:13. > :29:16.supermarkets, disabled toilets on trains. What are service providers

:29:17. > :29:21.going to have to do in terms of looking at their policies? They have

:29:22. > :29:23.to take on board that the equality at how is this principle of

:29:24. > :29:28.reasonable adjustment, and that means that they must try and give

:29:29. > :29:34.equal access to their services to disabled people. That is why we have

:29:35. > :29:39.disabled car parking spaces close to the door of a supermarket, why they

:29:40. > :29:43.are wider so that doors can be opened, and so on. And they should

:29:44. > :29:48.have a policy to prevent people blocking those spaces, and they will

:29:49. > :29:51.need to think how they will do it. They might need a parking attendant

:29:52. > :29:57.or somebody in the supermarket who was willing to go out and say, not

:29:58. > :30:05.in that space, move over. And to put some serious moral pressure on to

:30:06. > :30:10.the ordinary walking public, to ensure that the disabled public have

:30:11. > :30:17.equal access to goods and services. Doug, a final thought from you. You

:30:18. > :30:22.said your mother had followed this process right the way through, and

:30:23. > :30:28.she wasn't here to see it, but she will know now wherever she is that

:30:29. > :30:36.the Paulley has been well and truly a stab wished! She was a wonderful

:30:37. > :30:49.lady, I have been incredibly lucky to have that support, so God bless

:30:50. > :30:51.you, Mum. So the principle has been established, it is a wake-up call

:30:52. > :30:54.for service providers around the country that they will have to look

:30:55. > :30:57.at policies in relation to wheelchair users and make sure that

:30:58. > :31:04.those policies are sound and properly enforced.

:31:05. > :31:15.Doug Paulley was more positive than we were initially were. Is that

:31:16. > :31:26.fair? Yes, he is quite positive. I'm still not so positive. I want to see

:31:27. > :31:31.what changes they're going to make. With muscular dystrophy UK we do a

:31:32. > :31:35.campaign and we work with TfL and we are happy to work with them even

:31:36. > :31:39.more to make them understand what we really need. Thank you very much.

:31:40. > :31:40.Thank you cord coming on the programme. Nice to meet you. Thank

:31:41. > :31:46.you. Still to come, we'll be finding out

:31:47. > :31:48.how thousands of grandparents could be missing out on a special

:31:49. > :31:51.government scheme designed to reimburse them for looking

:31:52. > :31:53.after their grandchildren. And we're expecting to hear

:31:54. > :31:55.from European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker

:31:56. > :31:56.at the European Parliament after Theresa May revealed her

:31:57. > :32:07.government's Brexit plans. With the news, here's Joanna

:32:08. > :32:11.in the BBC Newsroom. Wheelchair user Doug Paulley has

:32:12. > :32:15.partially won his case at the Supreme Court against bus

:32:16. > :32:19.operator First Group PLC. The case was triggered

:32:20. > :32:23.when Doug Paulley attempted to board a bus in 2012 but was unable

:32:24. > :32:25.to when a woman refused The court unanimously allowed

:32:26. > :32:29.the appeal, but to a limited extent. Doug told our programme

:32:30. > :32:40.he welcomes the decision. It's just been amazing the amount of

:32:41. > :32:43.support that I've had of so many people, disabled people,

:32:44. > :32:48.organisations, lawyers, family, allies, and you know, this hopefully

:32:49. > :32:49.is going to make a major difference to disabled people's travel. It's

:32:50. > :32:53.brilliant. The Foreign Secretary has said

:32:54. > :32:56.countries are "queuing up" to sign free trade deals with Britain

:32:57. > :32:58.when it leaves the European Union Boris Johnson also suggests that

:32:59. > :33:01.agreements could be achieved quickly after the Article 50

:33:02. > :33:02.negotiations are concluded. Mr Johnson, who is currently

:33:03. > :33:05.in India on his first official visit, praised Theresa

:33:06. > :33:10.May's Brexit speech. It's been revealed that there

:33:11. > :33:15.are now more than a thousand cases of allegations of historical child

:33:16. > :33:18.sexual abuse in football. The figures come from

:33:19. > :33:21.the National Police Chiefs' Council. The estimated number of victims

:33:22. > :33:26.now stands at over 500. Unemployment has plunged

:33:27. > :33:30.to its lowest total for more than a decade, but the number

:33:31. > :33:33.of people in work has also fallen. Figures from the Office

:33:34. > :33:35.for National Statistics show that unemployment fell by 52,000

:33:36. > :33:37.to 1.6 million in three Southern has said it

:33:38. > :33:47.will restore a full train service from next Tuesday,

:33:48. > :33:50.now that the train driver's union Aslef has suspended

:33:51. > :33:52.its industrial action. The announcement comes after talks

:33:53. > :33:54.this morning between the two sides. The union is in dispute

:33:55. > :33:57.with Southern's parent company GTR over the role of conductors

:33:58. > :33:59.on driver-only operated trains, amounting to Britain's worst rail

:34:00. > :34:08.strikes in 20 years. Thomas Cook is bringing thousands

:34:09. > :34:11.of British holiday-makers home from the Gambia

:34:12. > :34:13.because of a worsening The Foreign Office is advising

:34:14. > :34:17.people to avoid all but essential travel to the country,

:34:18. > :34:20.after its President refused to step down and declared

:34:21. > :34:23.a state of emergency. A team from Thomas Cook

:34:24. > :34:26.is expected to arrive The travel operator has five flights

:34:27. > :34:33.coming back to the UK today. Join me for BBC

:34:34. > :34:48.Newsroom live at 11am. Reaction from the family of US

:34:49. > :34:54.soldier Chelsea Manning, formerly known as Bradley Manningment you may

:34:55. > :34:57.have heard that President Obama, has reduced Chelsea Manning's sentence

:34:58. > :35:01.in jail for leaking thousands and thousands of classified documents.

:35:02. > :35:05.The Welsh family of Chelsea Manning say they are overjoyed that Chelsea

:35:06. > :35:09.will soon be free adding, "We hope that Chelsea will be able to get on

:35:10. > :35:12.with the rest of her life and that she finds happiness and fulfilment

:35:13. > :35:18.in whatever she chooses to do. There will always be a welcome for her

:35:19. > :35:19.here in Wales." ." More reaction to that reduction in sentence after the

:35:20. > :35:27.sport. Dan Evans is 2-1 up against seventh

:35:28. > :35:30.seed Marin Cilic in the second Evans lost the first set 3-6,

:35:31. > :35:34.but fought back to take It's currently 4-3

:35:35. > :35:49.with Evans a break up Non-league Lincoln City beat

:35:50. > :35:52.Championship side Ipswich Town 1-0 last night in their third round FA

:35:53. > :35:54.Cup replay. It's the first time they've got this

:35:55. > :35:57.far since the late Graham Taylor Another non-league side,

:35:58. > :36:00.Sutton United, also made it through. They beat League One AFC Wimbledon

:36:01. > :36:02.3-1 in their replay. They're at home to Leeds

:36:03. > :36:05.in the fourth round. Europe's captain will be able

:36:06. > :36:07.to choose four players for next It's part of a revamp

:36:08. > :36:10.of the qualifying system after Europe lost heavily

:36:11. > :36:13.to the United States in Hazeltine. England women head coach

:36:14. > :36:15.Simon Middleton has included four new faces in his 33-player squad

:36:16. > :36:18.for the Six Nations. England host defending

:36:19. > :36:20.champions France in their That's all the sport for now,

:36:21. > :36:32.Victoria. In one of his last acts

:36:33. > :36:34.as president, Barack Obama has reduced the sentence

:36:35. > :36:36.of Chelsea Manning for leaking Formerly known as Bradley Manning,

:36:37. > :36:52.was sentenced to thirty five years So who is Chelsea Manning

:36:53. > :36:57.and what has been the reaction President Obama's decision to cut

:36:58. > :37:35.Chelsea Manning's sentence has, as you might expect

:37:36. > :37:37.provoked strong views. The Speaker of the House

:37:38. > :37:40.of Representatives, Paul Ryan, condemned it saying

:37:41. > :37:44.Chelsea Manning's treachery put American lives at risk and exposed

:37:45. > :37:46.some of our nation's most sensitive The Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

:37:47. > :37:50.praised the move and thanked all those who'd campaigned

:37:51. > :37:59.for Manning's release. He said, "Your courage

:38:00. > :38:01.and determination made But pressure is growing

:38:02. > :38:05.on Mr Assange who has been living in London's Ecuadorian Embassy

:38:06. > :38:07.for more than four years. He had said last year

:38:08. > :38:10.that he would be prepared to hand himself over to the US

:38:11. > :38:12.for extradition if Chelsea A short time ago I spoke

:38:13. > :38:15.to Jeff Patterson who is the co-founder

:38:16. > :38:17.of the Chelsea Manning Support Network and Colonel Ann Wright,

:38:18. > :38:20.a campaigner and former US diplomat. I began by asking them

:38:21. > :38:23.for their reaction to the news I am thrilled that President Obama

:38:24. > :38:35.has taken the advice of hundreds of thousands of Americans,

:38:36. > :38:37.if not millions, to commute A sentence that was unbelievably

:38:38. > :38:45.long of 35 years, and she has So I, along with millions of people,

:38:46. > :38:49.am thrilled that Chelsea You are a former American Marine,

:38:50. > :39:02.you will have heard that Senator John McCain, chairman

:39:03. > :39:05.of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has described

:39:06. > :39:07.what Barack Obama has done as a grave mistake and fears it will

:39:08. > :39:13.encourage further acts of espionage. It is a slander

:39:14. > :39:19.against Chelsea Manning. She gave classified documents that

:39:20. > :39:21.should never have been Why is it her decision to take it

:39:22. > :39:33.upon herself to release them? Well, she took a stand

:39:34. > :39:35.of conscience, that is what people do throughout

:39:36. > :39:38.history, to make the world She paid for that

:39:39. > :39:46.dearly for seven years. We're delighted that she is not

:39:47. > :39:49.going to have to die in prison for what we believe was doing

:39:50. > :39:54.the right thing. John McCain said that what she did

:39:55. > :39:56.endangered the lives of American troops, diplomats

:39:57. > :40:02.and intelligence services. Yes, seven years later,

:40:03. > :40:04.you cannot point to a single person who died because

:40:05. > :40:09.of the information she provided. We have no idea if anybody died

:40:10. > :40:14.as a result of what she released. We've had seven years to find

:40:15. > :40:20.evidence that people were harmed because of that,

:40:21. > :40:24.and yet we have overwhelming The public's right to know

:40:25. > :40:33.what was happening with our tax dollars was served through her

:40:34. > :40:36.release of these documents. Does that mean that anyone

:40:37. > :40:39.in the armed forces in the States can steal and leak classified

:40:40. > :40:42.information if they declare it to be Indeed, they take the consequences

:40:43. > :40:50.for it, because it is a very strong act that a person does

:40:51. > :40:52.when they release But I want to add that

:40:53. > :40:59.Chelsea Manning's release of that information was investigated very

:41:00. > :41:01.thoroughly by the US military The US military said

:41:02. > :41:12.that there was no injury to any US person because of the disclosure

:41:13. > :41:15.of the information that she had put But she did apologise for "hurting

:41:16. > :41:24.the US" and said she had mistakenly thought she could change the world

:41:25. > :41:26.for the better. She also acknowledged

:41:27. > :41:33.she hurt the US. Each person must look at it

:41:34. > :41:45.in their own conscience. At that point, when she wrote that,

:41:46. > :41:49.she felt that in some ways she did hurt the United States,

:41:50. > :41:52.but I, as a 29-year military veteran, 16 years in the diplomatic

:41:53. > :41:59.corps, I think her act was one that helped the United States,

:42:00. > :42:09.it helped the United States face the criminal acts that

:42:10. > :42:11.its military had committed, and hopefully now the US

:42:12. > :42:13.military will not commit those same things that were shown

:42:14. > :42:15.by the materials that As a co-founder of the Chelsea

:42:16. > :42:28.Manning Support Network, Chelsea has had a very difficult

:42:29. > :42:31.time in jail, tell our British Chelsea Manning, formerly Bradley,

:42:32. > :42:41.she has begun transitioning The military has

:42:42. > :42:46.made it hell on her. That's led her to attempt

:42:47. > :42:48.suicide twice in the last A final thought

:42:49. > :42:58.about Edward Snowden. He also leaked thousands

:42:59. > :43:00.of documents, former US State employee, fled to Russia,

:43:01. > :43:02.arguably his leaks were more What might what has happened

:43:03. > :43:05.to Chelsea Manning, what might the implications

:43:06. > :43:15.for Edward Snowden be? He has done a remarkable thing

:43:16. > :43:19.for the world in the disclosure The disclosure of yet more criminal

:43:20. > :43:25.acts committed by the United States that involved the privacy

:43:26. > :43:31.of all of us, of the whole world. So I do not think he should be

:43:32. > :43:35.going to prison, I don't think he should go on trial,

:43:36. > :43:38.and I think he should stay in Russia until all of this is settled,

:43:39. > :43:40.because if he would return to the United States,

:43:41. > :43:43.he would be treated in the same brutal manner that Chelsea Manning

:43:44. > :44:03.has been treated. Let's talk to Frank Gardner, what

:44:04. > :44:07.are the implications of reducing this sentence? It is an incredibly

:44:08. > :44:13.polarized actment to many people this is a noble and right thing to

:44:14. > :44:18.do by and out going president, an act of clemency, he has been

:44:19. > :44:21.produced by Michael Moore and by WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden himself

:44:22. > :44:25.has praised it. A lot of people will think it is the right thing to do

:44:26. > :44:36.for somebody who is transgender and should never be as a woman in a

:44:37. > :44:39.men's prison in Kansas. To others, what BradleyManning who became

:44:40. > :44:45.Chelsea Manning is a traitor, somebody who put people's lives in

:44:46. > :44:48.danger and somebody who leaked 700,000 classified documents and

:44:49. > :44:55.essentially powered WikiLeaks to the state that it is in today. I think

:44:56. > :45:01.one of the biggest implications of this is that the US and other allied

:45:02. > :45:09.countries should never again get themselves into a position where

:45:10. > :45:12.somebody who is actually was a very junior intelligence analyst, Bradley

:45:13. > :45:16.Manning as he was then, now Chelsea Manning, was a private first class,

:45:17. > :45:21.that's a low rank and was given access to extraordinary amounts of

:45:22. > :45:24.diplomatic classified documents. What ambassadors were saying

:45:25. > :45:30.privately about people. Really embarrassing stuff, meetings they

:45:31. > :45:33.had with heads of state. Bradley Manning should never have been put

:45:34. > :45:36.into that position and somebody needed, you know, to be held

:45:37. > :45:42.accountable for that. I'm not exonerating. This person has been

:45:43. > :45:45.tried and has served already seven years, but the really catastrophic

:45:46. > :45:49.mistakes were made higher up the chain of command. In terms of Edward

:45:50. > :46:03.Snowden, what he leaked is on a different scale?

:46:04. > :46:12.Totally different. Chelsea Manning did what at the time she thought was

:46:13. > :46:16.the right thing to do, and leaked it, WikiLeaks is not a proscribed

:46:17. > :46:25.organisation, but it is perfectly legal. Edward Snowden fled to

:46:26. > :46:30.America's adversary, Moscow, and then the whole story came out. It

:46:31. > :46:39.isn't as if he fled to a neutral country, Switzerland Ecuador or even

:46:40. > :46:45.Cuba. He went to Moscow, and there is still confusion, but pretty much

:46:46. > :46:48.every body assumes the Russians are not doing this just embarrass

:46:49. > :46:54.America, they wanted access to what was inside his head or in whatever

:46:55. > :46:59.files, so that has been a propaganda victory for President Putin, and

:47:00. > :47:04.what Edward Snowden did, again it is divisive, polarised, some people

:47:05. > :47:09.think he is a hero whistle-blower, and that he exposed appalling

:47:10. > :47:16.snooping and invasions of privacy, others, that he enabled criminal

:47:17. > :47:22.networks, organised crime, hackers, Isis, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist

:47:23. > :47:27.organisations to learn how they would be intercepted and listen to,

:47:28. > :47:30.so they change their methods, moved off certain platforms and went on to

:47:31. > :47:34.more encrypted platforms where they are harder to detect, and if you

:47:35. > :47:37.talk to anybody in counter-terrorism, they will say

:47:38. > :47:38.that Edward Snowden has made their job far harder. Frank Gardner, thank

:47:39. > :47:50.you very much. The number of migrants attempting to

:47:51. > :47:56.cross the Mediterranean is higher than ever. Earlier on the programme

:47:57. > :48:02.we brought you a film from aboard a rescue ship.

:48:03. > :48:07.Stay where you are, we're going to come to you.

:48:08. > :48:16.You can see the film on our Facebook page. Kate Allen has been telling us

:48:17. > :48:19.about the work that MSF and other charities do when it comes to

:48:20. > :48:25.rescuing. That kind of work is absolutely vital. We see people

:48:26. > :48:30.dying in the Mediterranean every day. Last weekend, 100 people lost

:48:31. > :48:37.their lives in the Mediterranean. So MSF are doing brilliant work. There

:48:38. > :48:40.are also UK and other EU ships and boats out there in the

:48:41. > :48:44.Mediterranean, but the real issue is why are people getting in those

:48:45. > :48:48.boats in the first place? And it is because they are absolutely

:48:49. > :48:52.desperate. They are fleeing situations in Syria, Iraq,

:48:53. > :48:57.Afghanistan, and they have no alternative, because all of the land

:48:58. > :49:02.routes have been blocked, so this is desperate people fleeing appalling

:49:03. > :49:04.situations and being forced into those situations, and that's the

:49:05. > :49:10.issue that we should be concentrating on. You will know that

:49:11. > :49:14.critics say the fact that boats, Government boats, Charity boats, go

:49:15. > :49:18.out and rescue people when they are in trouble in the sea is encouraging

:49:19. > :49:22.others to follow, to put their lives at risk. I find that one of the most

:49:23. > :49:26.extraordinary thing is that anybody could actually stand up and say. The

:49:27. > :49:29.people who say that have not seen what is happening in Syria, they

:49:30. > :49:36.have not been on the borders of Lebanon and Syria and scene where

:49:37. > :49:39.refugees have spent two, three, four years under canvas with their

:49:40. > :49:45.children having no education and no health care. If you or I were in

:49:46. > :49:51.that situation, we would up and move and try to get to somewhere where we

:49:52. > :49:55.could protect our children and try to get health care and support.

:49:56. > :49:58.People are getting on those boats because it is the least worst

:49:59. > :50:03.option. But when they arrive on the shores of Italy, and I are not being

:50:04. > :50:08.processed and sent to a refugee camp? What happens is people risk

:50:09. > :50:13.their lives coming across the Mediterranean, they are being held

:50:14. > :50:18.in Turkey now overwhelmingly. In a refugee camp? Yes, but what people

:50:19. > :50:21.are trying to do is get to Europe, they are trying to get to somewhere

:50:22. > :50:25.where they can perhaps have some sort of life where they can get

:50:26. > :50:31.health care, get their children into education. You know the deal that

:50:32. > :50:34.the EU came up with was that, yes, we will take some refugees, but

:50:35. > :50:39.those who have been in the saddle camps for a period of time, not

:50:40. > :50:44.those who suddenly arrive on a boat. It is such a forced distinction. It

:50:45. > :50:50.is trying to discourage people risking their lives in a dinghy.

:50:51. > :50:55.Water deer is saying is, stay put and rot where you are, and we may

:50:56. > :50:59.come and get a few of you. That is what it is actually saying. If you

:51:00. > :51:02.step back and look at whether refugee problem is globally, there

:51:03. > :51:06.are 20 million refugees in the world. There are more refugees in

:51:07. > :51:11.South Africa than there are the whole of Europe. So we need to get a

:51:12. > :51:13.sense of proportion about this as Europeans. Kate Allen from Amnesty

:51:14. > :51:20.International UK. Thousands of grandparents

:51:21. > :51:22.who haven't reached the pension age of 65,

:51:23. > :51:24.and are helping bring up their grandchildren,

:51:25. > :51:26.are missing out on a special Research by an insurance group

:51:27. > :51:34.has found only a low number of applications have been

:51:35. > :51:36.made for what's being called Let's talk now to Lucy Peake, Chief

:51:37. > :51:43.Executive of Grandparents Plus. And three people who don't work

:51:44. > :51:56.and all regularly look Lizzie, what is the issue? 9 million

:51:57. > :51:59.grandparents in the UK are caring for grandchildren, helping working

:52:00. > :52:04.parents to go to work, and the Government has introduced a benefit

:52:05. > :52:06.so working parents can transfer their national insurance credit to

:52:07. > :52:10.the grandparent if they are of working age. The issue is that very

:52:11. > :52:15.few are taking this up, and they think this is a lack of awareness.

:52:16. > :52:19.OK, so if they did transfer that national insurance credit, it would

:52:20. > :52:22.be more cash for the grandparents? It protect their state pension when

:52:23. > :52:30.they become pensioners. Witching cash terms can be an extra ?200 a

:52:31. > :52:35.year? It is around ?230 each year, so it is worth doing. We want

:52:36. > :52:39.grandparents to find out if they are eligible for it. Melissa, hello.

:52:40. > :52:47.Good morning. Five grandchildren, is this correct? That is correct. Are

:52:48. > :52:52.you sure? You don't look old enough! I have six children of my own and

:52:53. > :52:56.five grandchildren. So how regularly are you looking after them? It's

:52:57. > :53:02.quite infrequent. Both of my older children work, but I still have four

:53:03. > :53:08.young children at home, so I help whenever I can, the leisure, all

:53:09. > :53:14.work purposes, maybe a couple of times a week or at weekends. So

:53:15. > :53:18.looking after your grandchildren is your main focus, and you would

:53:19. > :53:23.eligible for these credits. Did you know about them? Absolutely not, the

:53:24. > :53:27.first I heard of it was yesterday when I had a contact, and direct

:53:28. > :53:31.about it last night. I wasn't aware of it at all. So you need to talk to

:53:32. > :53:34.your children about transferring their national insurance credits to

:53:35. > :53:39.you so that you don't lose out when you do get your pension. Not too far

:53:40. > :53:45.away! It is decades away, Thomas Lee, Melissa! Let me bring in

:53:46. > :53:55.Christine. Thank you for coming on the programme. -- honestly, Melissa.

:53:56. > :54:00.Christine, you are not eligible because you are 67. What do you

:54:01. > :54:03.think of that? I don't think it should matter what age you are, but

:54:04. > :54:09.I didn't know anything about it. It would be a good thing, it would help

:54:10. > :54:12.people. Do you think you do get enough credit, whether

:54:13. > :54:16.acknowledgement or support, when it comes to the fact that you look

:54:17. > :54:21.after your grandchildren? To be honest, I don't actually look after

:54:22. > :54:29.them now. I'd eat two or three years ago when I lived in Spain. -- idea

:54:30. > :54:35.You do spend money out, and it would have been helpful to have an extra

:54:36. > :54:42.bit of money that we knew nothing about. And Melissa, what about your

:54:43. > :54:47.motivation in helping your children by looking after their kids? I

:54:48. > :54:51.worked until I had my sixth baby, I sold my business the day before, and

:54:52. > :54:59.my parents were such a key part of me being able to do that, so I think

:55:00. > :55:03.when you have come from a big family, and the grandparents always

:55:04. > :55:06.looked after the children years ago, whether it be for work purposes or

:55:07. > :55:13.sharing the family memories or traditions, telling stories, it is

:55:14. > :55:16.just something we did naturally, and my mum is a heroic part of the

:55:17. > :55:23.community where we lived and were brought up, and she did it for

:55:24. > :55:27.everybody. So I think for me, Nan's Harris is a safe place, there is

:55:28. > :55:32.always food on the table, the kids love coming here, and I would love

:55:33. > :55:38.my children to think of me the way I think of my mum. Just to recreate

:55:39. > :55:44.that stability. We are showing our audience some fabulous pictures of

:55:45. > :55:50.your grandchildren as well. Lucy, what both of them are doing and have

:55:51. > :55:55.been doing actually really helps, we don't appreciate it, do we?

:55:56. > :55:59.Grandparents are making this massive contribution, within their own

:56:00. > :56:02.families, providing that richness of relationship and experience for the

:56:03. > :56:07.grandchildren, but also to society as well. If you think of all of the

:56:08. > :56:11.grandparent enabling parents to work, one in four working families

:56:12. > :56:16.rely on grandparents for childcare, and that rises to one in three

:56:17. > :56:20.working women, so it is a huge issue, so the thing we need to

:56:21. > :56:24.explore as we push the retirement age, more and more grandparents will

:56:25. > :56:29.be working themselves, so what will that do for families? How will we

:56:30. > :56:33.work this as a society in the future? So what should people do if

:56:34. > :56:40.they are eligible? The best thing to do is to go to the Grandparents Last

:56:41. > :56:46.website to find information. You need to check your availability with

:56:47. > :56:50.HMRC, and get the parent to transfer the benefit to the grandparent, said

:56:51. > :56:56.the best thing is to check Liberty first and then it should be simple.

:56:57. > :57:00.Are you sure? Because that bit about getting a parent to transfer it to

:57:01. > :57:03.the grandparent... It is about making sure that both parties want

:57:04. > :57:08.this to happen, that is what it is about. Thank you very much, Lucy.

:57:09. > :57:12.Melissa, thank you for coming on the programme. Christine, many thanks

:57:13. > :57:18.for coming on the programme, thank you for have a new one. Thank you

:57:19. > :57:22.for your many, many comments about the partial victory that Doug

:57:23. > :57:30.Paulley has achieved at the Supreme Court when it comes to wheelchair

:57:31. > :57:36.access on buses. A wheelchair -- boss tried will have to do much more

:57:37. > :57:39.than require summary to move. Clare says, my local bus company does a

:57:40. > :57:43.fantastic job, all of their buses have a space, and many of them have

:57:44. > :57:51.a wheelchair space and a separate rushed Jess base. It is frustrating

:57:52. > :57:58.when there is a buggy there and the parent refuses to fold it. They even

:57:59. > :58:03.give the parent a free ticket to the next bus if they agree to get off.

:58:04. > :58:08.Joe says he feels some sympathy for the buggy user, often loaded with

:58:09. > :58:11.bags, impossible to collapse with one hand whilst holding a child or

:58:12. > :58:19.more than one child, and what if it is a double buggy? Does this really

:58:20. > :58:22.mean the driver must help the user into another space, or will they

:58:23. > :58:27.have to leave the bus? We will have to see what Buster Ivers do. Thank

:58:28. > :58:32.you very much for your company today.