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:00:00. > :00:07.Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:08. > :00:13.As Donald Trump says he believes that torture can work to get

:00:14. > :00:15.information out of terrorism suspects, we'll be asking

:00:16. > :00:18.what impact his words will have across the world.

:00:19. > :00:22.We'll be speaking exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who,

:00:23. > :00:24.together with Amanda Knox, was wrongly imprisoned

:00:25. > :00:27.for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

:00:28. > :00:30.And, the last survivor of the Dambusters raid

:00:31. > :00:33.on Germany in 1943 has never received a knighthood.

:00:34. > :00:35.TV presenter and RAF ambassador Carol Vorderman is leading

:00:36. > :00:53.About British veteran Johnny Johnson.

:00:54. > :00:59.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

:01:00. > :01:06.All so later we are going to hear exclusive live from the NSPCC, who

:01:07. > :01:11.are today calling the new child protection measures in sports clubs.

:01:12. > :01:13.We will bring you all the details, including the extra background

:01:14. > :01:18.checks you might have to go through if you work with children. Do get in

:01:19. > :01:24.touch on that, it would be really interesting to hear your views, two

:01:25. > :01:27.loopholes they are calling for the Government to close immediately. I

:01:28. > :01:29.would be interesting to hear what it is like trying to get a background

:01:30. > :01:32.check now if you work with children. Do get in touch on all the stories

:01:33. > :01:35.we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

:01:36. > :01:39.at the standard network rate. The US President Donald Trump has

:01:40. > :01:43.said he believes that torture can work to get information out

:01:44. > :01:45.of suspected terrorists. But he said he would seek further

:01:46. > :01:47.advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques

:01:48. > :01:49.such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC network

:01:50. > :01:52.in his first televised interview since becoming President,

:01:53. > :01:54.he also repeated his pledge to make Mexico pay for a wall along

:01:55. > :01:57.its border with the United States. Here's our Washington

:01:58. > :01:59.Correspondent, David Willis. Could America be set for a return

:02:00. > :02:02.to the interrogation methods of old? A draft executive order

:02:03. > :02:03.suggests its commander-in-chief could be preparing to return

:02:04. > :02:09.to the dark days of waterboarding, by reopening the so-called black

:02:10. > :02:11.site secret prisons operated In his first TV interview

:02:12. > :02:20.since becoming President, Donald Trump made clear

:02:21. > :02:22.he is considering scrapping an order by his predecessor that terrorist

:02:23. > :02:25.suspects be treated in accordance "Torture works",

:02:26. > :02:31.the President declared. When they're chopping off the heads

:02:32. > :02:34.of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads

:02:35. > :02:37.of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East,

:02:38. > :02:40.when Isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard

:02:41. > :02:42.of since mediaeval times, would I feel strongly

:02:43. > :02:43.about water boarding? As far as I'm concerned,

:02:44. > :02:50.we have to fight fire with fire. Reports suggest Mr Trump is also due

:02:51. > :02:53.to announce plans to close America's borders to refugees,

:02:54. > :02:55.for a period at least, and implement tougher visa

:02:56. > :02:59.restrictions on citizens from certain predominantly Muslim

:03:00. > :03:02.nations with links to terrorism, In an effort to quell the influx

:03:03. > :03:16.of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Mr Trump has signed an executive

:03:17. > :03:19.order to begin work on building A multimillion dollar venture

:03:20. > :03:22.that he insists Mexico Ultimately it'll come out of what's

:03:23. > :03:34.happening with Mexico and we're going to be

:03:35. > :03:39.starting those negotiations soon, and we will be

:03:40. > :03:42.in a form reimbursed by Mexico. That has ruffled the feathers

:03:43. > :03:46.of America's southern neighbour. In an address to the nation,

:03:47. > :03:49.Mexico's president said they have no The Mexican president is due

:03:50. > :03:53.in Washington next week. He faces difficult discussions

:03:54. > :03:55.with an American counterpart clearly determined to reverse

:03:56. > :03:57.many of the changes brought With us now is our political

:03:58. > :04:10.guru Norman Smith. Theresa May has a forthcoming

:04:11. > :04:13.meeting with Donald Trump. What's Theresa May hoping

:04:14. > :04:20.to get out of the meeting? Well, she wants to make sure that we

:04:21. > :04:24.are in lockstep with Donald Trump, that we are like that with the new

:04:25. > :04:28.US president. Because while all British prime ministers go over

:04:29. > :04:31.there and talk about the special relationship, it seems to me Theresa

:04:32. > :04:35.May is going on awful lot further. She talks about how, you know, we

:04:36. > :04:39.have fought in wars together. But she says that Britain and America

:04:40. > :04:44.made the more than world, and we can read it again. She seems almost to

:04:45. > :04:49.be sort of harking back to an era when Britain and America were the

:04:50. > :04:54.two superpowers who forged the way things were done in the world. She

:04:55. > :04:57.says we can do that again, we have shaped institutions and values and

:04:58. > :05:01.we can once again adopt that leadership role. The second very

:05:02. > :05:05.striking thing is she seems to be pretty much budding Brexit on the

:05:06. > :05:09.same page as Mr Trump's election victory, saying both heart of change

:05:10. > :05:14.and renewal and a time when countries rediscover the sense of

:05:15. > :05:18.self-confidence. You get the very clear impression that she wants to

:05:19. > :05:22.put us as close as possible to Donald Trump. The reason for that,

:05:23. > :05:27.the don't have to be Einstein, is because obviously we are leaving the

:05:28. > :05:32.EU, and we need new relationships, and boy, oh boy, do we need that

:05:33. > :05:35.strong alliance with America and that trade deal. And that means

:05:36. > :05:40.being as close as possible to Donald Trump. Donald Trump as we heard has

:05:41. > :05:44.been talking about torture. What sort of reaction has there been to

:05:45. > :05:48.his comments? Very interesting, already there is quite a backlash

:05:49. > :05:56.from MPs, including from, you know, some of her own MPs, who are very

:05:57. > :06:02.unhappy about that. We had a senior Conservative MP saying, let me just

:06:03. > :06:08.get his words, he said... He urged Mrs May to tell Donald Trump that in

:06:09. > :06:12.no circumstances will she be allowing Britain to be dragged into

:06:13. > :06:16.facilitating torture. We have it we could from Sarah Wollaston, another

:06:17. > :06:22.leading Conservative MP. -- a tweet. She says, you cannot lead on a

:06:23. > :06:26.global stage by advocating torture. And one MP who sits on the

:06:27. > :06:30.intelligence and Security committee said, these are the people who

:06:31. > :06:36.monitor our intelligence agencies, he respects me this morning to say,

:06:37. > :06:38.this is going to cause real problems for the British intelligence

:06:39. > :06:41.agencies because we are not going to be able to incorporate with the

:06:42. > :06:46.Americans if they are using torture. -- he texted me this morning. The

:06:47. > :06:50.guidance that is given to our intelligence officers, let me tell

:06:51. > :06:54.you what it says. It says, personnel will be aware of concerns about

:06:55. > :06:57.torture and cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. There is an

:06:58. > :07:02.absolute prohibition of torture in international law. The UK Government

:07:03. > :07:06.policy on such conduct is clear that Mike we do not participate in or

:07:07. > :07:08.condone the use of torture. In other words, British agents cannot take

:07:09. > :07:14.advantage of American intelligence if it is being gleaned by torture,

:07:15. > :07:17.and they cannot be in the same room if torture is being carried out.

:07:18. > :07:20.That is going to presumably be something which Mrs May is going to

:07:21. > :07:23.have to confront Donald Trump about. Thank you, Norman.

:07:24. > :07:25.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:07:26. > :07:35.Good morning, Victoria. The Government will publish a bill to

:07:36. > :07:39.enable it invoke Article 50 and trigger a process of leaving the

:07:40. > :07:42.European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davies says the bill will be

:07:43. > :07:46.straightforward, although opposition party was will seek to make

:07:47. > :07:48.amendments. The Government was forced to draw up legislation after

:07:49. > :07:51.losing an appeal at the Supreme Court.

:07:52. > :07:54.The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches

:07:55. > :07:57.to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:07:58. > :07:59.The charity says it's already illegal for teachers and social

:08:00. > :08:02.workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:08:03. > :08:04.It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,

:08:05. > :08:06.with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

:08:07. > :08:16.A major report into the health of children in the UK has found

:08:17. > :08:19.an "alarming gap" exists between the rich and poor -

:08:20. > :08:22.with one in five young people suffering as a result of poverty.

:08:23. > :08:24.The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health also suggests

:08:25. > :08:27.the UK is lagging behind most western European countries when it

:08:28. > :08:29.comes to measures such as infant mortality rates and obesity.

:08:30. > :08:36.Our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes, reports.

:08:37. > :08:41.Anxiety, depression and a need to be listened to.

:08:42. > :08:44.These are the themes of a short play on mental health, devised by school

:08:45. > :08:50.The issues they touch on reflect those in today's report

:08:51. > :08:53.on the health of children and young people.

:08:54. > :08:55.It paints a picture of the UK struggling to match other countries

:08:56. > :09:04.The evidence has been developing for some time that all is not well

:09:05. > :09:08.It's the first time we have really put together a proper picture

:09:09. > :09:10.across all four countries, and the news is not good.

:09:11. > :09:14.Some of the issues that raise concerns over the state of child

:09:15. > :09:17.health include just 34% of babies breast fed to six months,

:09:18. > :09:24.40% of children in England's most deprived areas are overweight

:09:25. > :09:27.or obese, and half of adult mental health problems start

:09:28. > :09:32.And for the drama group in Liverpool, mental health issues

:09:33. > :09:37.Mental illnesses are an illness of the brain, and they're as valid

:09:38. > :09:40.as any other illnesses to any other part of the body.

:09:41. > :09:42.Just because you can't see it physically, it doesn't

:09:43. > :09:46.Our production will mainly be to get rid of that stigma

:09:47. > :09:48.about mental health, and just educate the audience a bit

:09:49. > :09:59.The four governments of the UK are all challenged to consider

:10:00. > :10:01.the impact their policies will have on children.

:10:02. > :10:02.They've responded by restating commitments

:10:03. > :10:09.GDP figures for the UK economy are to be released

:10:10. > :10:15.The figures will cover the fourth quarter of 2016.

:10:16. > :10:17.For more on this, our Business Presenter Ben Thompson

:10:18. > :10:19.joins us from the Institute of Engineering and Technology -

:10:20. > :10:26.in sight of both Parliament and the City.

:10:27. > :10:31.Obviously lots of people watching these figures very closely, not

:10:32. > :10:37.least the Prime Minister, as she heads off to meet Donald Trump. What

:10:38. > :10:40.are we expecting from them? Yes, you're absolutely right, those

:10:41. > :10:44.figures are watched very closely indeed by both parties, by the

:10:45. > :10:47.politicians, and also by the City of London. Because it will give us an

:10:48. > :10:51.indication of just how quickly the UK economy is growing, and it is

:10:52. > :10:55.looking back, look back at the last quarter of last year. Of course, the

:10:56. > :11:00.things the economy is contending with our issues that are facing us

:11:01. > :11:04.in the year ahead, too. That is the uncertainty surrounding the Brexit

:11:05. > :11:08.folk. There is the rise in prices as much inflation is picking up again,

:11:09. > :11:12.it means we may be paying more in the shops and supermarkets. But

:11:13. > :11:16.things like petrol when we go out shopping. Those prices are going up.

:11:17. > :11:19.At the same time there has been a fall in the value of the pound,

:11:20. > :11:24.which means that things we have bought from overseas will also be

:11:25. > :11:27.more expensive. That includes products made elsewhere, and also

:11:28. > :11:31.raw materials and food that is imported from elsewhere. So, given

:11:32. > :11:38.that we are expecting the economy to have grown by about half of 1%,

:11:39. > :11:42.slightly down on the three months before that. Many people saying that

:11:43. > :11:46.is a good performance given all of that uncertainty. The big question

:11:47. > :11:50.as we know is what happens in the year ahead? Business is craving some

:11:51. > :11:53.sort of certainty. It's trying to find out what the Government will do

:11:54. > :11:57.as far as Brexit is concerned, when it will trigger that Article 50 to

:11:58. > :12:01.begin those so-called false proceedings. That is weighing very

:12:02. > :12:04.heavily on their mind when it comes to making decisions -- divorce

:12:05. > :12:11.proceedings. When it comes to expanding the business or taking on

:12:12. > :12:14.new staff. There is uncertainty surrounding the presidency of Donald

:12:15. > :12:22.Trump. Those figures are due out at 9:30am.

:12:23. > :12:24.The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit

:12:25. > :12:26.for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up

:12:27. > :12:30.The bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer,

:12:31. > :12:33.could be fined an additional ?3 billion by the US

:12:34. > :12:37.Almost half of all hospitals in England are failing to meet basic

:12:38. > :12:39.Government standards for hospital food, according to data released

:12:40. > :12:42.The Campaign for Better Hospital Food warns

:12:43. > :12:47.The Government says standards are improving.

:12:48. > :12:51.Ant and Dec won the prize for Best TV Presenter for the 16th year

:12:52. > :12:54.running at last night's National Television Awards.

:12:55. > :13:04.The BBC presenter Graham Norton was recognised for his services to

:13:05. > :13:06.broadcasting. Len Goodman lost out on the public's choice of best

:13:07. > :13:07.judge. Other winners included

:13:08. > :13:09.Mary Berry for Best Judge. The BBC's Strictly Come Dancing

:13:10. > :13:11.picked up the gong Emmerdale was voted Best Soap,

:13:12. > :13:15.and ITV's This Morning won Please welcome your

:13:16. > :13:25.host for the night! The National Television Awards bring

:13:26. > :13:28.out the great and the good A new category was

:13:29. > :13:30.introduced this year for Period Drama, won

:13:31. > :13:32.by Call the Midwife. It was up against the likes of Peaky

:13:33. > :13:37.Blinders and Poldark. Best Comedy went

:13:38. > :13:38.to Mrs Brown's Boys, that got the award

:13:39. > :13:46.for Best Talent Show. Best TV Judge went to a very

:13:47. > :13:50.surprised Mary Berry, in her final The first and foremost

:13:51. > :13:53.thing is to be fair, Despite our television

:13:54. > :13:57.viewing habits changing, the average household watches

:13:58. > :14:03.about 3.5 hours a day. Nights like these are a chance

:14:04. > :14:06.to celebrate the best of what's Ladies and gentlemen,

:14:07. > :14:09.the nation's heartthrob, Chatshow host Graham Norton

:14:10. > :14:14.collected the Lifetime Achievement And Ant and Dec won Best TV

:14:15. > :14:20.Presenter for the 16th year We are very lucky to have the three

:14:21. > :14:33.shows at the moment, and long We just want to keep

:14:34. > :14:37.making good telly. But the surprise of the night

:14:38. > :14:41.was Casualty's win for Best Drama. The Saturday night staple

:14:42. > :14:50.which turned 30 last year. It be some high profile and high

:14:51. > :14:57.budget smashes, including the night manager and Game of Thrones.

:14:58. > :15:00.I loved that air punch from Mary Berry!

:15:01. > :15:02.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:15:03. > :15:10.Congratulations to all of the winners, particularly Ant and Dec.

:15:11. > :15:14.With regards to Donald Trump's comments on torture, Robben Facebook

:15:15. > :15:17.says, Theresa May is demonstrating incompetent and a total lack of

:15:18. > :15:19.judgment by visiting the American president. Your views are welcome.

:15:20. > :15:21.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:15:22. > :15:25.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:15:26. > :15:27.Time for sport with Hugh Woozencroft.

:15:28. > :15:29.And Hugh, it's Throwback Thursday at the Australian Open

:15:30. > :15:39.Good morning, Victoria. It's a vintage year in tennis. 2015 has

:15:40. > :15:44.seen the rear burdens of that and Katya and Nadal, and now Venus and

:15:45. > :15:50.Serena Williams will appear opposite each other -- the re-emergence.

:15:51. > :15:56.Serena Williams won her match 6-2, 6-1. It took just 50 minutes.

:15:57. > :16:01.Against the Arms seeded Croatian. It wasn't to be again the world number

:16:02. > :16:07.two. -- the unseeded Croatian. She will be looking to win a record 23rd

:16:08. > :16:13.grand slam singles title. In the way is her old sister Venus. She won

:16:14. > :16:21.back her match in three sets -- her older sister. So, a great result for

:16:22. > :16:25.her, a brilliant result for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and his

:16:26. > :16:31.partner David whitener. They have won the final against the Paralympic

:16:32. > :16:34.champions. We are guaranteed a British winner in the men's

:16:35. > :16:39.wheelchair doubles in Melbourne. Alfie Hewett and Gordon Reid will

:16:40. > :16:42.face off with their respective partners. Roger Federer playing at

:16:43. > :16:45.the moment, just darted his semifinal against Stan Wawrinka,

:16:46. > :16:53.five or in the first set of that one.

:16:54. > :16:58.The league cup final, what is happening there? Liverpool were in

:16:59. > :17:02.such good form, but they have reached their first EFL Cup final

:17:03. > :17:07.since 1979, Southampton, after beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield

:17:08. > :17:18.last night, and they were one goal up from the first leg as well. Shane

:17:19. > :17:32.Long sealed their place. They will face the whole city by Manchester

:17:33. > :17:37.United. -- Hull. What about the reaction to Usain Bolt having one of

:17:38. > :17:42.his medals being taken away because of a team-mate? He will not be

:17:43. > :17:48.smiling today. And he will have to get back one of his Olympic gold

:17:49. > :18:03.medals after his team-mate Nesta Carter was disqualified over a

:18:04. > :18:09.doping incident at Beijing. Jamaica have been stripped of the gold in

:18:10. > :18:14.the four by 100 metres. He can no longer claim to hold the famous

:18:15. > :18:19.triple triple. He says he will appeal to the Court of Arbitration

:18:20. > :18:26.for Sport. And some very good news for British skiing fans, something

:18:27. > :18:33.we don't say often. Milli night and her guide won downhill gold on the

:18:34. > :18:48.opening day of the world Para Alpine Championships in Italy.

:18:49. > :18:59.Her guide shouts instructions from in front of her. He helped her to

:19:00. > :19:07.see the racing line as well. She has won 11 medals, seven of them gold,

:19:08. > :19:08.in a great 12 months. We will have more headlines that have passed.

:19:09. > :19:12.CNN. It's nearly ten years since British

:19:13. > :19:15.student Meredith Kercher was killed while studying in Italy,

:19:16. > :19:18.in what became - and has remained - one of the most notorious

:19:19. > :19:21.murder cases in the world. This morning, we can speak

:19:22. > :19:23.exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who together with Meredith's

:19:24. > :19:24.roommate Amanda Knox, was wrongly convicted

:19:25. > :19:28.and imprisoned for the crime. He says the ordeal

:19:29. > :19:30.has scarred his life. And with legal bills

:19:31. > :19:34.that topped ?1 million, he's now pushing for compensation

:19:35. > :20:35.from the Italian government. TRANSLATION: Both the defendants

:20:36. > :20:38.for A, B, C and D are acquitted because they have not

:20:39. > :21:06.committed the crime. I think we are still

:21:07. > :21:09.on the journey to the truth. It may be the fact that we don't

:21:10. > :21:13.ever really know what I'm a normal guy who passed

:21:14. > :21:26.through a nightmare. Now I'm different, because of

:21:27. > :21:47.the nightmare I passed through. Good morning to you. Good morning.

:21:48. > :21:55.Tell us how your life has been changed by what you experienced. I

:21:56. > :22:01.am a kind of normal person. It is a weird kind of celebrity which older

:22:02. > :22:09.people look at, especially in Italy, but it is not a good thing, because

:22:10. > :22:17.of course, I bore a burden of an image that is not who I really am.

:22:18. > :22:27.That image is what, do you think? It depends who is looking at me. In

:22:28. > :22:34.Italy, they are split between people who think that I am innocent and

:22:35. > :22:41.people who think that I am guilty. It depends on what they have as a

:22:42. > :22:44.background in their mind and they think about me something different

:22:45. > :22:49.on one side or another. Those people who think you are guilty, do you

:22:50. > :22:53.believe you will ever be able to change their minds, or have you

:22:54. > :23:02.accepted that? Each time I spoke with them, each time any person

:23:03. > :23:06.meets me and talks to me, they realise that what the media said

:23:07. > :23:15.Mears totally -- said about me is totally different from what I am, so

:23:16. > :23:19.they changed their mind each time, but as you may understand, it is not

:23:20. > :23:22.possible to reach all the people involved in this case. With the

:23:23. > :23:30.news, you can reach 5 million people. I can know a few hundred of

:23:31. > :23:34.them. Can you give our audience an insight into what it is like to be

:23:35. > :23:42.wrongly jailed for a crime that you had nothing to do with? It's really

:23:43. > :23:51.a nightmare, and it affects all of your life. It changes it. You have

:23:52. > :23:57.to face, you have to struggle for anything that you do. You have

:23:58. > :24:04.attention for everything that you do. Even a tiny false step, it's

:24:05. > :24:13.made like a huge thing. Like what? What false step of you made that has

:24:14. > :24:20.been blown up? At the beginning, you can imagine that I was bringing a

:24:21. > :24:28.pocket knife in my jeans since I was 13 years old. The police department

:24:29. > :24:36.thought that it was the murder knife, even if it was just a

:24:37. > :24:45.collection article. Even this, or the fact that I didn't ask for a

:24:46. > :24:59.lawyer during the interrogations, or even my misinterpretation of the

:25:00. > :25:08.seriousness of the case. Anything, really. Later, each thing I said,

:25:09. > :25:17.each thing I looked at the case with Amanda, whatever I did was taken as

:25:18. > :25:28.a fault, a big fall. Anything that I look at was a clue of my guilt, so

:25:29. > :25:33.it is really tragic. And do you feel under scrutiny now, as you try to

:25:34. > :25:42.rebuild your life, still? Yes, because I run my home business. I

:25:43. > :25:48.have an application to commemorate people who have been lost, for

:25:49. > :25:55.relatives who have passed away, and I got a lot of criticism on that.

:25:56. > :26:08.Also, anything like whatever I decided to do, comments on other

:26:09. > :26:12.cases on television, they ask me to be someone with an opinion because

:26:13. > :26:20.of what I passed through. I got a lot of criticism as well, so it is

:26:21. > :26:27.kind of anything I do has to be commented by anyone in a good way or

:26:28. > :26:35.in a bad way. It depends on what they really think about me. Have you

:26:36. > :26:42.accepted that you will probably for ever be associated with the death of

:26:43. > :26:50.Meredith Kercher? I hope it will not be in this way for the rest of my

:26:51. > :26:57.life. Of course, it's a big part, it's a parenthesis inside it's a

:26:58. > :27:03.really important case, and in the history of judgments, it will be an

:27:04. > :27:11.imprint for ever, but I don't think that my life is bounded by this,

:27:12. > :27:20.because it is over. There has to be an end of it. Of course, in the

:27:21. > :27:25.trials, this is the end. But in the people's mind, it has to be

:27:26. > :27:39.digestive. How have you tried to rebuild your life? Yeah, I'm trying

:27:40. > :27:50.still. I'm struggling. The greatest obstacle, I find, along my path is

:27:51. > :27:55.prejudice by people whom I don't know. This is something that I think

:27:56. > :28:03.will, step-by-step, clear up. It takes time and force and you have to

:28:04. > :28:07.have the will to do that. I cannot hide and close inside myself,

:28:08. > :28:11.because it can be worse. I was going to ask, have you ever considered

:28:12. > :28:17.moving from Italy? Lily, that is where your family, but has that been

:28:18. > :28:25.a consideration? Not so, because I have all my family, and I run a

:28:26. > :28:37.business there. I have not considered. They did something

:28:38. > :28:48.really terrible to me... They? The prosecution. There was nothing wrong

:28:49. > :28:57.I did, so there is no real reason to leave my country because of

:28:58. > :29:05.something that I didn't do. You believe that you and Amanda Knox are

:29:06. > :29:11.victims - what do you mean by that? I mean that we were appointed by the

:29:12. > :29:14.prosecution since the beginning without any real clue. They needed

:29:15. > :29:19.to close the case as soon as possible because there was the

:29:20. > :29:27.greatest attention ever from all over the world on a murder case, so

:29:28. > :29:38.they needed the guilty people soon. I remember the police department of

:29:39. > :29:42.Perugia is making a press conference, an international press

:29:43. > :29:51.conference, saying that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty,

:29:52. > :30:06.and Meredith Kercher was murdered inside and orgies gone wrong. -- an

:30:07. > :30:14.or G -- orgy gone wrong. They did not want to go back and look at

:30:15. > :30:21.clues and real facts at the murder scene to follow the right theory.

:30:22. > :30:28.And that is what you mean by saying you are rape victim. How do you

:30:29. > :30:35.think of Meredith Kercher's family? I think about them, and I am really

:30:36. > :30:38.sad that they still stick about the prosecution theory, because it is

:30:39. > :30:41.completely wrong. They missed the case. They say they still have

:30:42. > :30:49.questions and that they may never know the truth. That is what the

:30:50. > :30:53.prosecution says today. It is exactly the same thing. I am sad

:30:54. > :31:00.they repeat what the prosecution says, because the real facts about

:31:01. > :31:04.this murder, I have seen the documents also you can read them and

:31:05. > :31:06.see that the reality of this case is completely different from what the

:31:07. > :31:11.prosecution wanted to make people believe.

:31:12. > :31:22.What is the nature of your friendship or otherwise with Amanda

:31:23. > :31:29.Knox now? We are friends. And, yeah, very fast friends. Sometimes we

:31:30. > :31:34.talk, but not so often. Right. Do you ever talk about the past? No.

:31:35. > :31:45.There is no reason to do that. Actually we did it for five days. It

:31:46. > :31:54.is completely meaningless to talk about it. But you had a shared

:31:55. > :32:00.experience, four years in jail, both of you, for something which you...

:32:01. > :32:09.This is something that you can use for other people who have been

:32:10. > :32:22.wrongly jailed. So I'm trying to reach associations to help wrongly

:32:23. > :32:28.imprisoned prisoners. Prisoners, all of them, and also much more people

:32:29. > :32:39.who have been jailed for a mistake. And I think that doing our

:32:40. > :32:51.imprisonment, we formed even a path, but not the same, because she was

:32:52. > :32:59.inside the female prison, I was inside the men's prison. So we

:33:00. > :33:05.completely lived in two different world's, even though these world's

:33:06. > :33:09.were parallel. On Friday, you will find out if you are to receive

:33:10. > :33:14.compensation from the Italian authorities for the wrongful

:33:15. > :33:21.imprisonment you experienced. What is the maximum that you could spec

:33:22. > :33:26.to receive? -- that you could expect. The maximum is 516,000

:33:27. > :33:33.jurors. That is what you have asked for? Yeah. -- your rose. Of course,

:33:34. > :33:37.we have all the rights to claim it. But that is not even enough to

:33:38. > :33:44.compensate what my family and me paid around these years. Because the

:33:45. > :33:52.past ten years of this ordeal, of this nightmare, in this ten years we

:33:53. > :33:59.sold even our apartments. We have still that's on it. What do your

:34:00. > :34:07.debts had up to, do you know? How much debt are you and your family

:34:08. > :34:16.in? We have still around 400,000 euros of debt. So this can just

:34:17. > :34:31.clear up our debts. And a little more. But, you know, in the end,

:34:32. > :34:38.we... This is a calculation, because this is the maximum you can ask for

:34:39. > :34:44.your wrongful imprisonment. It doesn't have nothing to do with the

:34:45. > :34:48.ordeal itself. With the ordeal? With the ordeal itself, because of

:34:49. > :34:54.course, this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this

:34:55. > :35:01.ordeal didn't last only for years, it lasted for ten years. I was

:35:02. > :35:12.inside this nightmare for ten years. After the decision, we have to think

:35:13. > :35:22.and manage how to make the government no that this is not just

:35:23. > :35:29.my imprisonment, this has affected all of my life, and affected even a

:35:30. > :35:36.big part of my life ten years. Is it difficult to meet new people? Or

:35:37. > :35:45.not? Yes, it's not that difficult, it's always... A kind of, they have

:35:46. > :35:51.prejudiced. They always change their mind and view me as a normal guy.

:35:52. > :35:59.But on the other side, before I come by and I speak to anybody, they feel

:36:00. > :36:05.something that is, I don't know, and or around me, which is heavy, which

:36:06. > :36:12.is something that they have to cope to, and they feel it. A couple of

:36:13. > :36:18.messages from people watching you speak this morning. Sarah says, so

:36:19. > :36:25.many lives have been ruined by this case. Roger says, the only victims,

:36:26. > :36:30.he disagrees with you, he says the only victims in this dreadful crime

:36:31. > :36:38.are Meredith Kercher and her family. There are many victims in this case.

:36:39. > :36:45.Amanda's parents, my parents, all our families, Patrice mamba's

:36:46. > :36:49.families, there are a lot of victims, actually. Meredith Kercher

:36:50. > :36:55.is the first victim. But there are many others made by the prosecution

:36:56. > :37:06.mistakes. What does your future hold? I don't know. What do you hope

:37:07. > :37:15.for? I hope to make my company began bigger. -- bigger and bigger. And to

:37:16. > :37:20.help people who have been wrongfully imprisoned. Those are the two goals.

:37:21. > :37:27.I'm following. Thank you very much for talking to us today. Thanks for

:37:28. > :37:31.your time. Thank you. We appreciate it. A couple of bits of breaking

:37:32. > :37:36.news to bring you. This is on the state of our prisons in England and

:37:37. > :37:39.Wales. New figures show that a record number of people killed

:37:40. > :37:44.themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. The Ministry of

:37:45. > :37:50.Justice says there were 119 deaths, the highest number sets records were

:37:51. > :37:55.first compiled in 1978. The overall number of deaths in jails was also

:37:56. > :38:00.at a record 354. We will bring you more on that story and reaction in

:38:01. > :38:04.the programme this morning. And the latest figures which give us an idea

:38:05. > :38:10.about the state of the UK economy is just out. The UK economy grew by

:38:11. > :38:14.0.6% during the the fourth quarter, the last few months of 2016. That

:38:15. > :38:19.from the office of National sadistic. The British economy grew

:38:20. > :38:22.by just over 0.5% during the last few months of 2016.

:38:23. > :38:24.And we'll be live at the Science Museum in London

:38:25. > :38:27.as Tim Peak unveils the spacecraft he used on his recent mission

:38:28. > :38:31.Dambuster hero George Johnny Johnson is the last surviving Brit

:38:32. > :38:33.of the bouncing bomb raids on Hitlers dams.

:38:34. > :38:35.We speak to Carol Vorderman about why she's spearheading

:38:36. > :38:51.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:38:52. > :38:58.Good morning. Let's begin with President Trump.

:38:59. > :39:01.The US President Donald Trump has said he believes that torture can

:39:02. > :39:03.work to get information out of suspected terrorists.

:39:04. > :39:05.But he said he would seek further advice before deciding

:39:06. > :39:07.whether to bring back techniques such as water-boarding.

:39:08. > :39:10.Speaking to the American ABC network, in his first televised

:39:11. > :39:12.interview since becoming President, he also repeated his pledge to make

:39:13. > :39:15.Mexico pay for a wall along its border with the United States.

:39:16. > :39:18.It comes as Theresa May travels to the US to become the first world

:39:19. > :39:23.The Government will publish a Bill today to enable it to invoke Article

:39:24. > :39:26.50 and trigger the process of the UK leaving the European Union.

:39:27. > :39:28.The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the Bill will be

:39:29. > :39:30.straightforward, although opposition parties will seek

:39:31. > :39:36.The Government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing

:39:37. > :39:42.The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches

:39:43. > :39:45.to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:39:46. > :39:48.The charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers

:39:49. > :39:52.and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:39:53. > :39:56.It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks,

:39:57. > :39:59.with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

:40:00. > :40:09.The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit

:40:10. > :40:11.for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up

:40:12. > :40:14.to the financial crisis of 2008. The bank, which is more than 70%

:40:15. > :40:16.owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional

:40:17. > :40:24.?3 billion by the US Department of Justice.

:40:25. > :40:26.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:40:27. > :40:38.Hello again. It has been a big day for the Williams family. Venus and

:40:39. > :40:42.Serena making the final at the Australian open. Venus took three

:40:43. > :40:47.sets to beat a fellow American and reach her first grand slam final

:40:48. > :40:52.since Wimbledon in 2009, when she played her younger sister Serena.

:40:53. > :40:56.Serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, it took

:40:57. > :41:00.her less than an hour. Roger Federer won the first set of his semifinal

:41:01. > :41:05.against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. He broke him in the last

:41:06. > :41:12.game of the set. So far it has gone with serve 2-2 in the second. Shane

:41:13. > :41:19.Long's goal booked them a spot in the EFL Cup final with eight 2-0 win

:41:20. > :41:26.over Liverpool. Britain's Milind night won downhill gold on the

:41:27. > :41:30.opening day of the world Paris skiing championships in Italy. She

:41:31. > :41:34.beat the five-time Paralympic champion of Slovakia. That's all the

:41:35. > :41:41.sport for now, we will be back with more just after 10am. Let's go live

:41:42. > :41:45.to the Commons now. The Brexit Secretary David Davies is outlining

:41:46. > :41:49.the Goverment's white paper, the formal policy document, to his

:41:50. > :41:54.colleagues. Taking into account the framework between the future

:41:55. > :41:57.relationship of the EU and the UK. It is therefore impossible to start

:41:58. > :42:01.negotiations unless one has an outline agreement on what that

:42:02. > :42:06.framework should be. Obviously, MPs are able to respond to what David

:42:07. > :42:12.Davies is saying. This is Peter Lilley, Conservative MP. Will we

:42:13. > :42:16.press our partners to clarify that right at the beginning of the

:42:17. > :42:22.negotiations? Well, we already have done. I am in my one meeting with,

:42:23. > :42:26.when he was talking about the sequential approach, which seems to

:42:27. > :42:30.me not practical, for me it really isn't possible to come to an outcome

:42:31. > :42:38.on either the negotiations without a clear idea of the trade aspect of

:42:39. > :42:42.the negotiations. His description is pretty accurate, and I've said in

:42:43. > :42:47.terms that we intend all of this to be concluded within the two years.

:42:48. > :42:50.Big off says it wants nothing further to do with the European

:42:51. > :42:58.Court of Justice. So the Government says. In any new free trade

:42:59. > :43:01.agreement with this 27 member states, there will have to be a

:43:02. > :43:05.legal arbitration mechanism whose rulings will be obliged to

:43:06. > :43:12.implement. If the European Court of Justice is not acceptable, what

:43:13. > :43:16.court would be? Well, it would not this is the only by a court. He is

:43:17. > :43:21.quite right, most international... LAUGHTER

:43:22. > :43:25.Listen to the answer! Most international trade agreements have

:43:26. > :43:29.an arbitration, normally preceded by mediation, which is used more often.

:43:30. > :43:33.In the case of the Canada arbitration, for example, you have

:43:34. > :43:37.got one person from each side and one neutral who are appointed by

:43:38. > :43:40.agreement, if agreement cannot be reached, it is a fallback and a

:43:41. > :43:44.simple arbitration mechanism. There is all of the difference in the

:43:45. > :43:47.world between a simple trade arbitration mechanism and a court

:43:48. > :43:53.that reaches into every nut and cranny of your society stop by David

:43:54. > :43:57.Davies, Brexit Secretary, answering a question from Hilary Benn. What is

:43:58. > :44:01.David Davis doing this morning, Norman? That was a little bit of

:44:02. > :44:08.shadow boxing. What they are all waiting for is this Bill to trigger

:44:09. > :44:17.our withdrawal from the EU, what is called the European Union

:44:18. > :44:20.notification of withdrawal bill. That's the legislation which will

:44:21. > :44:26.begin the process of us leaving the EU and being out within the next two

:44:27. > :44:30.years. MPs are kind of waiting until they see that. The expectation is

:44:31. > :44:34.that it will be a short bill, stripped down, pared back, the

:44:35. > :44:38.Government alt-right FastTrack through the Commons. Later this

:44:39. > :44:43.morning we will get an idea from the Government in which the pace it

:44:44. > :44:47.wants to move. The signs are they want that bill through the House of

:44:48. > :44:50.Commons within a fortnight. And then it goes to that place, the House of

:44:51. > :44:55.Lords, where there may be more trouble ahead. The Government has no

:44:56. > :44:59.control in the House of Lords, they do not have a majority, and appears

:45:00. > :45:03.pretty much do what they want, but most of them are opposed to Brexit.

:45:04. > :45:07.There is a potential for them to cause all sorts of difficulties. The

:45:08. > :45:14.indications are the Government have left a big fat whopping six weeks to

:45:15. > :45:19.get the Bill through the House of Lords in order to meet Mrs May's

:45:20. > :45:20.deadline of the end of March for beginning, beginning with all from

:45:21. > :45:24.the EU. Thank you very much, Norman. Coming up...

:45:25. > :45:26.We hear from the man known as "the Spielberg of video games",

:45:27. > :45:29.and get his vision of Let's go to the Science Museum

:45:30. > :45:33.in London now, where everyone's favourite astronaut -

:45:34. > :45:35.Tim Peake - is meeting fans Let's join our correspondent

:45:36. > :45:57.Rebecca Morelle. I am here at the science Museum, and

:45:58. > :46:03.here is the Soyuz capsule that took Tim Peake into space. It then safely

:46:04. > :46:08.brought him back down again. You can see from looking at it, the size of

:46:09. > :46:14.it, it is pretty small. The crew of three would have been really snug in

:46:15. > :46:22.there. Tim Peake spoke about his experience inside the Soyuz capsule

:46:23. > :46:28.a little while ago at a press conference. The first time I got to

:46:29. > :46:31.say it was -- see it was at the top of the elevator. It had 300 tonnes

:46:32. > :46:36.of rocket fuel waiting to go into orbit. That evening, there were

:46:37. > :46:40.three very excited astronauts in the capsule, but I think there were

:46:41. > :46:44.about 3000 very excited students right here at the London science

:46:45. > :46:52.Museum to witness that launch. I have subsequently been able to watch

:46:53. > :46:55.the launch party from space, and it was one of the few occasions where I

:46:56. > :46:58.wished I was on the ground because it seemed there was a good party

:46:59. > :47:06.going on back here. After that, I saw this spacecraft every day,

:47:07. > :47:15.because our docking port was right next to the cup of the window. I

:47:16. > :47:19.always took a moment to look at it, not just out of fondness for the

:47:20. > :47:25.Accra, but this thing is our lifeboat for six months, our only

:47:26. > :47:31.way of getting back to Earth safely. And the Soyuz is sat there for six

:47:32. > :47:36.months, exposed to the vacuum of space, B radiation, small meteorite,

:47:37. > :47:41.and so it is prudent to visually inspect it each day to make sure

:47:42. > :47:46.everything is OK. One of the most demanding phases for a spacecraft,

:47:47. > :47:50.it is of course, is to return the crew safely through the Earth's

:47:51. > :47:55.atmosphere. Although this module has been refurbished, I was delighted to

:47:56. > :48:03.see that it still bears the scorch marks of the 1600 Celsius punishment

:48:04. > :48:08.the spacecraft takes as it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.

:48:09. > :48:13.And you can see the scorch marks on there. This thing went through a

:48:14. > :48:20.really turbulent ride as it re-entered. There is a select band

:48:21. > :48:24.of people who have been into space and have travelled in one of the

:48:25. > :48:33.Soyuz capsules before. I am joined by one, Helen Sharman. You went up

:48:34. > :48:39.in 1991. This must bring back some real memories. It is fabulous to see

:48:40. > :48:43.a spacecraft that has really been to space. Rarely do space astronauts

:48:44. > :48:50.get to see their own. It is often just before launch date, and then

:48:51. > :48:54.once you are in space, of course. You can see on the outside that it

:48:55. > :48:57.has really been through all that turmoil and turbulence as it comes

:48:58. > :49:03.back through the atmosphere. Very special. We have your spacesuit on

:49:04. > :49:08.display, and now they have purchased the capsule for an undisclosed

:49:09. > :49:16.amount - why is it important to get objects like this on display for the

:49:17. > :49:24.public? Why do it? It is a piece of history, but it ties us very closely

:49:25. > :49:29.to a person who sat inside it for the launch and the landing. If you

:49:30. > :49:32.imagine what has happened inside that spacecraft, how Tim must've

:49:33. > :49:37.been feeling, and looking at all the science, technology and engineering

:49:38. > :49:41.that goes into creating not just the capsule but the whole aspect of

:49:42. > :49:45.making space flight possible. It is hugely inspirational. Helen, thank

:49:46. > :49:54.you very much. The public will be able to see this soon. It forms part

:49:55. > :50:04.of the permanent collection here. The last time Tim saw this was back

:50:05. > :50:07.in Kazakhstan. It must have been quite an emotional moment for him to

:50:08. > :50:12.actually see it this morning, too. The public will get a chance to clap

:50:13. > :50:18.eyes on it later on today. Thank you, Rebecca.

:50:19. > :50:20.George Johnson - the last surviving member

:50:21. > :50:23.of the famous Dambusters Raid - was only in his early 20s

:50:24. > :50:25.when he and the rest of Bomber Command Squadron 617

:50:26. > :50:28.embarked on the perilous mission to destroy dams in Germany in 1943.

:50:29. > :50:31.His job was to aim the bouncing bombs, circling each dam

:50:32. > :50:33.in his Lancaster 10 times until certain the

:50:34. > :50:40.Every attempt to improve the aim increased the risk,

:50:41. > :50:44.and many of his friends were killed that night.

:50:45. > :50:52.Last year George - who everyone calls Johnny -

:50:53. > :50:54.was passed over for a knighthood after being nominated

:50:55. > :50:57.for his charity work and service to the country.

:50:58. > :50:59.Today his friend Carol Vorderman is going to Parliament -

:51:00. > :51:02.along with Gulf War veteran John Nicol - in a campaign to get

:51:03. > :51:10.I'm ambassador for the Royal Air Force Air Cadets.

:51:11. > :51:12.It was our 75th anniversary so we had this massive

:51:13. > :51:17.Johnny came, and the Air Cadets absolutely adore him.

:51:18. > :51:19.Everybody in the Air Force adores him.

:51:20. > :51:24.Since then, because both Johnny and I live in Bristol,

:51:25. > :51:27.we've met a few times and just had a nice time.

:51:28. > :51:32.But I had no idea that he'd been nominated, let alone...

:51:33. > :51:39.And he didn't appear on the New Year's Honours and that's when it

:51:40. > :51:43.motivated you to really power behind this petition.

:51:44. > :51:47.Together with The Sun newspaper and I.

:51:48. > :51:53.And a lot of people don't know the story of the Dambusters.

:51:54. > :51:58.I'm 56, so I was brought up in a generation where we were told

:51:59. > :52:00.stories about World War II, because many of our fathers had

:52:01. > :52:08.But what I found over the last three weeks,

:52:09. > :52:16.So it's as relevant today, after last year and all

:52:17. > :52:20.of the tumultuous things that are happening around the world,

:52:21. > :52:25.it's becoming more relevant, how we fight for peace.

:52:26. > :52:28.Tell our audience, for those who want to learn more,

:52:29. > :52:34.Dambuster Squadron, as it's known, is the 617 Squadron.

:52:35. > :52:38.And in May 1943 it was decided that we had to take the war to Hitler.

:52:39. > :52:42.So they were in Lancaster bombers which flew very low and slow.

:52:43. > :52:49.And this was a bouncing bomb, which was aimed -

:52:50. > :52:55.and designed by Barnes Wallis - so that they could destroy

:52:56. > :53:00.some of the dams, and therefore a lot of the industrial heartland

:53:01. > :53:02.when the dams burst, which were generating

:53:03. > :53:04.and making aircraft and tanks and machinery and so on,

:53:05. > :53:09.which were obviously servicing Hitler and his armies and forces.

:53:10. > :53:12.So the Dambusters raid, it was an outrageous thought,

:53:13. > :53:21.Many aircraft took off, and sadly not so many came back,

:53:22. > :53:26.and they managed to destroy three dams and damage another.

:53:27. > :53:46.Three were captured as prisoners of war.

:53:47. > :53:49.And of those 77, only 45 survived the war within Bomber Command.

:53:50. > :53:52.Bomber Command was made up of a number of squadrons,

:53:53. > :53:55.And Bomber Command was the military unit that suffered the most

:53:56. > :54:06.Because of the bombings on certain cities towards the end of the war,

:54:07. > :54:10.they were snubbed politically when the war was over.

:54:11. > :54:16.And this was felt very deeply by the veterans and their families.

:54:17. > :54:19.It was only in 2012, and I had quite a lot to do

:54:20. > :54:21.with the fundraising for the Bomber Command memorial.

:54:22. > :54:27.A memorial was erected to those people in Green Park.

:54:28. > :54:30.So Johnny has said that if he were offered a knighthood,

:54:31. > :54:34.he is a terrifically modest gentleman, that he would accept

:54:35. > :54:37.with due humility on behalf of those in 617 Squadron and for the greater

:54:38. > :54:52.What exactly are you doing today with this petition?

:54:53. > :54:55.John Nicol, who is a Gulf War veteran, and I, are starting

:54:56. > :54:58.at the Bomber Command memorial because it's significant that we do.

:54:59. > :55:03.We have this petition, another 32,000 people signed overnight.

:55:04. > :55:09.We will be handing over the petition, but also

:55:10. > :55:14.a new official nomination for an honour at 10 Downing St.

:55:15. > :55:16.We will be going from the Bomber Command memorial to 10

:55:17. > :55:22.I don't think we will be allowed in, but we are handing it over.

:55:23. > :55:25.And the petition remains open after that.

:55:26. > :55:33.Thank you very much. All the best, thank you.

:55:34. > :55:43.Next: Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months in 2016

:55:44. > :55:48.according to figures from the office of National statistics. Some

:55:49. > :55:58.economists forecast a slowdown after the June referendum. Let's speak to

:55:59. > :56:02.Andy Verity. It is the same as most of the economic news since the

:56:03. > :56:12.referendum, it is on the upsides. -- on the upside. Before the global

:56:13. > :56:17.financial crisis nine years ago, we have had slower growth and it has

:56:18. > :56:20.been more volatile, our pants down, and it was expected that the

:56:21. > :56:25.referendum would cause an economic shock that would slow us down again,

:56:26. > :56:30.but no sign of it so far. The Bank of England did various things to try

:56:31. > :56:34.and ameliorate that. I am sure the Bank of England would like us to

:56:35. > :56:38.think its actions had avoided any further slowdown, but I think it's

:56:39. > :56:44.mostly down to the consumer, really. And the consumer being willing to

:56:45. > :56:48.borrow probably unsustainable amounts to sustain spending. Most of

:56:49. > :56:53.the growth in these numbers is from the services sector. Which means

:56:54. > :56:59.what? It is having a haircut, getting on public transport,

:57:00. > :57:06.watching TV, all of those things. It is not construction or production.

:57:07. > :57:10.Think of North Sea oil etc, getting metal out of the ground. Those are

:57:11. > :57:15.relatively small part of the economy. The economy is 80% services

:57:16. > :57:19.anyway, so you want that sector to grow. The concern there has been for

:57:20. > :57:23.years is that we have balanced growth which emphasises exports and

:57:24. > :57:28.getting money into the country. Instead, we are growing on the same

:57:29. > :57:31.basis we grew before the love of financial crisis, but we're

:57:32. > :57:34.borrowing and spending. Thank you very much, Andy.

:57:35. > :57:37.We'll have reaction to Donald Trump's comments on torture -

:57:38. > :57:40.he says he believes it can work to get information out

:57:41. > :57:50.We will also have reaction to the figures released in the last

:57:51. > :57:53.half-hour showing that a record number of people killed themselves

:57:54. > :57:55.in jail in England and Wales last year. The latest news and sport in a

:57:56. > :58:05.moment, after the latest weather. We will start with our weather

:58:06. > :58:11.watcher pictures, because it is quite grey out there. This was North

:58:12. > :58:21.Yorkshire. There are a few breaks in the cloud in Cheshire. Some sunshine

:58:22. > :58:27.poking through here. The cold feel is accentuated by the wind. It is a

:58:28. > :58:31.cold, bitter wind coming in from the near continent. The cold across

:58:32. > :58:37.Europe has been well documented recently, and it is heading our way.

:58:38. > :58:40.Some places will struggle to get above freezing. The breeze has

:58:41. > :58:47.helped to lift the fog out of the way, but we have a lot of low cloud.

:58:48. > :58:52.Under the cloud, perhaps a spot or two of light rain, perhaps a flake

:58:53. > :59:00.of snow. Most places will be dry but cold, most places hovering around

:59:01. > :59:04.freezing. In the north, a few breaks in the cloud, as we have seen in

:59:05. > :59:08.Cheshire, but the best breaks have been across central and northern

:59:09. > :59:25.parts of Scotland. The eastern side sees more clout. -- more

:59:26. > :59:36.cloud. For many of us, it will feel like a subzero day. It feels like

:59:37. > :59:40.minus five Celsius, minus six Celsius across the North of England.

:59:41. > :59:46.The end of the week is windy, from the South. In the West, changes are

:59:47. > :59:50.taking place. A weather front moves in from the Atlantic, the breeze

:59:51. > :59:54.picks up, and there will be thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain in Northern

:59:55. > :00:02.Ireland, western extremities of England and Wales, and just getting

:00:03. > :00:11.into Scotland as well. Pretty chilly in the north-east, only to Celsius

:00:12. > :00:17.in Newcastle. -- two Celsius. Temperatures are up a bit. Eight

:00:18. > :00:21.Celsius is fairly typical. Saturday night into Sunday, rain moves across

:00:22. > :00:24.the southern half of the UK. There are questions about the details were

:00:25. > :00:30.Sunday. This rain could go further north or south. Not set in stone,

:00:31. > :00:35.but the temperatures relatively mild. Further north, sunshine and

:00:36. > :00:49.six Celsius. Hello, it's 10am, I'm

:00:50. > :00:56.Victoria Derbyshire. In an exclusive interview, Raffaele

:00:57. > :00:59.Sollecito, who - together with Amanda Knox - was wrongly imprisoned

:01:00. > :01:01.for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, tells this

:01:02. > :01:03.programme he's been living in a nightmare for ten years. There are

:01:04. > :01:08.many victims in this case. Amanda's parents, my parents, all of our

:01:09. > :01:12.families. Patrick's family, Patrick himself, the lot of victims,

:01:13. > :01:17.actually. Of course, Meredith Kercher is the first victim. But

:01:18. > :01:21.there are many others made by prosecution mistakes. He has also

:01:22. > :01:25.told us he is hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt after paying legal

:01:26. > :01:28.bills. He will find out this week if he is to achieve compensation from

:01:29. > :01:30.the Italian government. And you can watch the whole

:01:31. > :01:33.of that exclusive interview Donald Trump says "torture

:01:34. > :01:41.works" with terrorists, as Theresa May prepares to fly

:01:42. > :01:44.to the US to meet him. When they are chopping off the heads

:01:45. > :01:47.of people because they happen to be When Isis is doing things that

:01:48. > :01:51.nobody has ever heard of since medieval times,

:01:52. > :01:53.would I feel strongly As far as I'm concerned,

:01:54. > :01:57.we have to fight fire with fire. We'll be speaking to Moazzam Begg,

:01:58. > :01:59.a former Guantanamo detainee who says he experienced torture

:02:00. > :02:02.at the hands of the Americans, and to a former Director

:02:03. > :02:05.of Intelligence at M16 to ask him The NSPCC tells this programme that

:02:06. > :02:09.if we are to tackle child sex abuse in sport it must be made illegal

:02:10. > :02:13.for sports coaches to have sex with We will talk to them in the next

:02:14. > :02:25.hour. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:02:26. > :02:36.with a summary of today's news. Good morning. A record number of

:02:37. > :02:39.inmates killed themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year, new

:02:40. > :02:49.figures show. The Ministry of Justice said the -- the world 119

:02:50. > :02:55.suicides. The number of self harm incidents jumped by 13% -- 23%. I am

:02:56. > :03:00.very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too

:03:01. > :03:04.high. The levels of self harm are too high. Since I became Justice

:03:05. > :03:09.Secretary I have focused on dealing with this problem. That is why we

:03:10. > :03:17.are investing an extra ?100 million, 2500 extra prison officers. The man

:03:18. > :03:20.acquitted of the murder of Meredith Kercher alongside Amanda Knox has

:03:21. > :03:25.told this programme that he still has more than 400,000 euros of debt

:03:26. > :03:28.following the case. He said the maximum he can claim from the

:03:29. > :03:33.Italian government following the acquittal doesn't cover the cost.

:03:34. > :03:39.This is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this ordeal

:03:40. > :03:41.didn't last only four years, it lasted for ten years. I was inside

:03:42. > :03:44.this nightmare for ten years. GDP figures for the UK economy,

:03:45. > :03:49.which measure national output, They cover the fourth

:03:50. > :03:53.quarter of last year They're unchanged from 0.6% over

:03:54. > :03:56.the previous three months. Economists had forecast a slow-down

:03:57. > :04:05.after the Brexit referendum. but strong consumer spending in the

:04:06. > :04:07.run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industry is

:04:08. > :04:10.boosted the economy. The US President Donald Trump says

:04:11. > :04:12.he believes that torture can work to get information out

:04:13. > :04:14.of suspected terrorists. But he says he would seek further

:04:15. > :04:16.advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques

:04:17. > :04:18.such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC

:04:19. > :04:21.network, Mr Trump also repeated his pledge to make Mexico

:04:22. > :04:24.pay for a wall along its border It comes as Theresa May travels

:04:25. > :04:29.to the US to become the first world The NSPCC is demanding that it be

:04:30. > :04:37.made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds

:04:38. > :04:42.in their care. The charity points out that it's

:04:43. > :04:44.already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex

:04:45. > :04:47.with 16 and 17-year-olds It also wants to tighten the rules

:04:48. > :04:52.around background checks, with the most stringent checks

:04:53. > :04:54.becoming compulsory for all coaches The Government will publish a Bill

:04:55. > :05:07.today to enable it to invoke Article 50 and trigger the process of the UK

:05:08. > :05:10.leaving the European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davis

:05:11. > :05:13.says the Bill will be straightforward, although opposition

:05:14. > :05:14.parties will seek The Government was forced to draw up

:05:15. > :05:18.the legislation after losing That's a summary of

:05:19. > :05:36.the latest BBC News. Good morning. As we said earlier, it

:05:37. > :05:40.really is throwback Thursday. Venus and Serena Williams will meet in the

:05:41. > :05:47.final of the Australian open. 35-year-old Serena powering past her

:05:48. > :05:52.opponent 6-2, 6-1 in just 15 minutes. For the unseeded Croatian,

:05:53. > :05:57.it was the first Grand Slams Sehmi the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in

:05:58. > :06:03.the world number two. She will now attempt to win a record 23rd Grand

:06:04. > :06:08.Slam singles title. The woman standing in her way is her older

:06:09. > :06:14.sister, Venus. The 13th seed won a match in 13 sets -- in three sets to

:06:15. > :06:21.win her first major match since she beat Serena in 2009. Whenever I'm

:06:22. > :06:24.playing on the court with her, I mean, I'm playing like the best

:06:25. > :06:29.competitor in the game. I don't think I'm trying to change either,

:06:30. > :06:35.you know. I can compete, you know, against any odds. I'm going to do

:06:36. > :06:40.what I can to earn it. I'm not thinking about, oh, what can I do to

:06:41. > :06:46.win, I'm thinking, oh, what can I do to earn it? That's what I can tell

:06:47. > :06:50.you right now, I'm so excited. Roger Federer has established a two set

:06:51. > :06:55.lead against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka in his semifinal. He

:06:56. > :07:00.bids to win a fifth Australian open title. Wawrinka is one in the third

:07:01. > :07:04.in that one. A great day for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and partner

:07:05. > :07:09.David Wagner. They won the final against the Paralympic champions in

:07:10. > :07:18.straight sets. That was in the men's quads. Southampton have reached the

:07:19. > :07:21.first EFL Cup final since 1979 by beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield

:07:22. > :07:24.last night. A goal up from the first leg, Southampton did spend much of

:07:25. > :07:29.the match defending, before Shane Long booked his side's trip to

:07:30. > :07:32.Wembley in added time. Amazingly, Southampton have reached the final

:07:33. > :07:37.without conceding a single goal in the competition. They will face

:07:38. > :07:42.either Hull city or Manchester United, who play the match tonight.

:07:43. > :07:47.United have a lead in that one. We are used to see a white crane on the

:07:48. > :07:50.face of Usain Bolt, but he definitely won't be smiling this

:07:51. > :07:57.time -- a wide grin. He was disqualified because of his

:07:58. > :08:03.team-mate's doping violation at the Beijing games. They say his

:08:04. > :08:07.team-mate tested positive in a free analysis of samples from the 2008

:08:08. > :08:12.Olympics. They made up after the relay team. As a result, Jamaica

:08:13. > :08:16.have been stripped of their gold, meaning he can no longer claim to

:08:17. > :08:21.hold that famous treble - treble. He may get a repeal because Carter will

:08:22. > :08:27.appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The winner of the

:08:28. > :08:30.downhill gold has now withdrawn from today's super G competition. She

:08:31. > :08:34.collided heavily with the crash barriers after she crossed the

:08:35. > :08:38.finish line when she won the downhill gold on the opening day of

:08:39. > :08:42.the world Para Alpine ski championships in Italy. That's all

:08:43. > :08:46.the sport for now. We will have the headlines at 10:30am. Thanks, Hugh.

:08:47. > :08:48.Over the past few months on this programme, we've brought

:08:49. > :08:50.you exclusive testimony from former footballers who allege

:08:51. > :08:53.they were sexually abused as young players at clubs across the country.

:08:54. > :08:56.Now it's emerged that it's not illegal for sports coaches to have

:08:57. > :08:58.sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:08:59. > :09:03.The NSPCC is today demanding that loophole must be closed

:09:04. > :09:19.The charity also wants to tighten the rules around background checks.

:09:20. > :09:21.Wanting the most stringent check compulsory for all coaches

:09:22. > :09:27.Jim, people will be shocked it's not illegal for sports coaches to have

:09:28. > :09:29.sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care.

:09:30. > :09:39.Let's take you through how it works in this country at the moment.

:09:40. > :09:45.But it's also illegal for someone in authority to have sex

:09:46. > :09:50.But that only applies to certain roles and professions.

:09:51. > :09:52.So for example, a teacher, social worker, someone

:09:53. > :10:01.It's not across it is only in these named professions.

:10:02. > :10:09.So it would then be illegal for a football coach to have sex,

:10:10. > :10:11.even consensual sex, with anyone under the age of 18.

:10:12. > :10:15.The NSPCC says that should also apply to other roles -

:10:16. > :10:20.And there's a second change asked for as well?

:10:21. > :10:25.So this is to do with background checks which show whether someone

:10:26. > :10:28.has a criminal record or has been banned from working with children.

:10:29. > :10:37.If you or a football club, you can have a background check. That should

:10:38. > :10:39.tell you, does this person have a criminal record? Are they barred

:10:40. > :10:41.from working with children even if they don't have a criminal record?

:10:42. > :10:44.In 2012, the Government relaxed the rule on this.

:10:45. > :10:48.So as things stand, it's now in fact against the law for a local football

:10:49. > :10:51.club to get the most stringent or enhanced check unless that coach

:10:52. > :10:57.is working on their own with kids on a regular basis.

:10:58. > :11:01.They have to be working unsupervised on a regular basis.

:11:02. > :11:04.The NSPCC now thinks the Government has gone too far.

:11:05. > :11:10.They want to look into assistant coaches and assistant managers who

:11:11. > :11:15.might not be unsupervised, but do have a lot of contact with kids.

:11:16. > :11:22.They want that loophole closed so it is compulsory for everybody.

:11:23. > :11:28.One person this morning called this "drivel that will make

:11:29. > :11:32.Their argument is that this is really tinkering around

:11:33. > :11:34.the edges, and they want a much tougher form of child protection.

:11:35. > :11:37.One idea is Mandatory Reporting, which we've spoken about

:11:38. > :11:40.The Goverment's consulting on that measure at the moment.

:11:41. > :11:42.Now, that would mean if you are working for a football

:11:43. > :11:45.club and you have a reasonable suspicion that abuse is going on,

:11:46. > :11:49.And the argument is that would change the culture

:11:50. > :12:02.It would be against the law to not report it. That is not the case in

:12:03. > :12:03.this country at the moment, whereas it is in other countries like

:12:04. > :12:05.Australia. Ian Ackley was the victim of abuse

:12:06. > :12:08.in the 80s by a football coach. He is now one of the people speaking

:12:09. > :12:13.to the FA about child safety. This takes a shift

:12:14. > :12:17.in attitude of people. You can put all the legislation

:12:18. > :12:23.in place that you want to, but unless the attitudes

:12:24. > :12:26.of people and organisations shift dramatically, we are going to be

:12:27. > :12:29.stuck with all the same barriers And what we need to do is make this

:12:30. > :12:43.effective to protect all children What does the Government say? It

:12:44. > :12:47.says it has written to all of sport's governing bodies late last

:12:48. > :12:48.year to make the child protection policies as strong as possible.

:12:49. > :12:51.Thanks, Jim. We can speak to the NSPCC's

:12:52. > :12:57.Lisa McCrindle, who wants the law to be changed,

:12:58. > :13:02.father of two sport playing kids and Chair of Culture,

:13:03. > :13:05.Media and Sport Committee Damian Collins MP, Andy Wilby,

:13:06. > :13:10.who was abused by his gym coach at 14 years old and has

:13:11. > :13:25.waived his right to anonymity, Lisa, protection in sport ends at

:13:26. > :13:27.16? What currently happens is around those individuals having

:13:28. > :13:31.relationships with 16 and 17-year-olds, what we want to make

:13:32. > :13:35.sure that is the same protections are in place are extended to those

:13:36. > :13:38.working regularly with children who are also able to establish those

:13:39. > :13:45.relationships and potentially abuse them. Because a predator working

:13:46. > :13:50.with kids, even with another adult are, can still target children?

:13:51. > :13:53.Absolutely. In relation to the 16 and 17-year-olds, extension of the

:13:54. > :13:58.existing laws we think it should be covering a wider group of people, to

:13:59. > :14:01.protect those young people developing intense relationships in

:14:02. > :14:04.sporting and training relationships, they will have intense

:14:05. > :14:09.relationships, a position of trust which can be abused. Just as weak

:14:10. > :14:14.spectators not to do that, we should be applying that two other -- just

:14:15. > :14:18.as teachers are not expected to do that. Did you know that legally

:14:19. > :14:24.sports coaches could have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in the care?

:14:25. > :14:28.Well, Victoria, I was shocked to hear that, too, because I think it

:14:29. > :14:33.is wrong. I think anybody looking at that would say that this is clearly

:14:34. > :14:36.a massive loophole that needs to be closed down. It is entirely

:14:37. > :14:39.inappropriate for coaches to have sexual contact with people as young

:14:40. > :14:45.as 16 and 17 years old. Are you going to close it down then? I will

:14:46. > :14:50.certainly raise this with the Government. I think this should be

:14:51. > :14:55.looked at, and if it acquires a change in legislation we should do

:14:56. > :15:00.that. And criminal checks, which the NSPCC is also calling for to be

:15:01. > :15:04.tightened today, before 2012-13 there was a process in which an

:15:05. > :15:10.adult who was working regularly with children in the presence of another

:15:11. > :15:15.adult could be checked. You and the Lib Dems relaxed that, you stopped

:15:16. > :15:21.that. Was that a mistake? I think we have to be careful with this.

:15:22. > :15:26.Because I see with my own children involved in grassroots sport, a lot

:15:27. > :15:30.of grassroots sport is delivered by parents, you know, working as

:15:31. > :15:34.coaches and supporting coaches. At that grassroots level, where

:15:35. > :15:38.actually the access to the children is fully supervised, often by

:15:39. > :15:42.multiple adults, in an environment like that, would it be necessary? I

:15:43. > :15:45.think that environment is very different from the sort of

:15:46. > :15:49.environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. Or is you

:15:50. > :15:53.have had on your programme about abuse in sport, younger people who

:15:54. > :15:57.are part of formal academies and clubs. I think the coaches working

:15:58. > :16:01.in the environment like that, where unsupervised access is more likely

:16:02. > :16:04.to occur, should have those checks in place. I think we need to look

:16:05. > :16:09.very carefully at the recommendation Yannis BCC has made and say,

:16:10. > :16:12.actually, should this be a statutory requirement or an obligation that is

:16:13. > :16:19.placed on the sports and the clubs to make sure that any coach who

:16:20. > :16:19.works for them who is likely or potentially could have unsupervised

:16:20. > :16:30.access is checked in this way. Do you accept that even if there are

:16:31. > :16:41.other adults around, a predator can groom children? As I say, when you

:16:42. > :16:45.look at real grassroots sports, and my eight-year-old son plays at the

:16:46. > :16:49.local rugby club, there is a family atmosphere, lots of parents and

:16:50. > :16:56.coaches around. The reality is that a lot of grassroots sport is

:16:57. > :17:00.delivered by volunteers and parents together working on weekend

:17:01. > :17:07.mornings. That is different from a more formal coaching relationship. I

:17:08. > :17:16.understand the point you're making. It is very different. On the

:17:17. > :17:20.question of bringing in legislation across the board, it will create a

:17:21. > :17:24.huge amount of bureaucracy for community and family run clubs,

:17:25. > :17:29.whereas actually what we want to do is target a structure that is

:17:30. > :17:33.slightly further up the football pyramid, where children are more

:17:34. > :17:36.intensively involved in sport, under the supervision of coaches and away

:17:37. > :17:41.from their families. I think all the proper checks should be done in that

:17:42. > :17:45.situation. Should that be enforced by the sport or does it require an

:17:46. > :17:51.across-the-board change to legislation, is the question. Let me

:17:52. > :17:56.bring in Andy. Thank you for talking to us. You were groomed and abused

:17:57. > :18:00.by your weight training course when you were 14 and it went on for 18

:18:01. > :18:08.months. I wonder if you can tell the audience what the impact has been on

:18:09. > :18:13.your life what you went through. It has been difficult, leading me to

:18:14. > :18:18.suburb with anxiety and depression. Drug and drink problems when I was

:18:19. > :18:21.younger. And it is quite difficult. My kids are getting involved with

:18:22. > :18:26.grassroots sport now, and it's quite difficult to trust that the same

:18:27. > :18:30.thing wouldn't happen to them at some point. What do you think of

:18:31. > :18:38.what the NSPCC is calling for today, for these, as they describe them,

:18:39. > :18:41.loopholes to be closed by the Government immediately? I completely

:18:42. > :18:46.agree. Anything that can protect children from what I have been

:18:47. > :18:49.through is nothing but a good thing, and the Government should be doing

:18:50. > :18:55.everything in their power to make sure children are not abused. Do you

:18:56. > :19:00.think that enhancing the checks on those who work with children could

:19:01. > :19:06.lead to fewer volunteers coming forward to help out with their kids'

:19:07. > :19:10.sports clubs? May be in the short-term, but I see it as a minor

:19:11. > :19:19.inconvenience when it comes to make King sure -- making sure our

:19:20. > :19:22.children are safe. You heard what David said - potentially it could be

:19:23. > :19:28.too bureaucratic and could put people off volunteering. What do you

:19:29. > :19:34.say? Those volunteers are already checked. That already happens, the

:19:35. > :19:37.enhanced check. We want to make sure that the most stringent check, a

:19:38. > :19:42.check against those who are barred from working with children, is

:19:43. > :19:48.included. At the moment, the legislation prohibits that. In

:19:49. > :19:53.response, we would be concerned. Most of the cases we have heard

:19:54. > :19:56.about recently, and the calls we get on our helpline, demonstrate that

:19:57. > :20:00.abuse doesn't have to take place when you are alone. It is

:20:01. > :20:05.facilitated with the relationships that are established with the child,

:20:06. > :20:08.and also with the family and carers. Because you've established that

:20:09. > :20:13.relationship, the abuse can then take place in other settings because

:20:14. > :20:16.the trust is enabled. This won't create additional bureaucracy

:20:17. > :20:22.because those individuals were already being checked. This is an

:20:23. > :20:29.opportunity to protect our children and ensure that the most stringent

:20:30. > :20:34.checks are undertaken on adults so we're not losing opportunities to

:20:35. > :20:40.make sure we are prohibiting those who are barred from working with

:20:41. > :20:43.children. And the, trusting other adults when your kids want to get

:20:44. > :20:47.involved in sport, do you find yourself stopping them doing things

:20:48. > :20:58.because of what you experienced as a teenager? -- Andy. The majority of

:20:59. > :21:02.people are not predators, and you do have to trust these things. I would

:21:03. > :21:08.be reluctant to leave them with anybody unsupervised. Thank you for

:21:09. > :21:13.coming on the programme. Damian Collins, thank you for joining us.

:21:14. > :21:15.And Lisa McCrindle from the NSPCC. We'll see what happens and report

:21:16. > :21:25.back for our audience. A record number of inmates killed

:21:26. > :21:28.themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. We will be to

:21:29. > :21:31.someone who knows what it is like to be suicidal in prison.

:21:32. > :21:33.Donald Trump says torture works and "we have to

:21:34. > :21:36.In his first TV interview since becoming US President,

:21:37. > :21:39.he told ABC News that he will be consulting with his Defence

:21:40. > :21:41.Secretary and CIA Director over whether they should look

:21:42. > :21:42.at using water-boarding, which simulates drowning

:21:43. > :21:49.and is currently banned in the US, and other methods.

:21:50. > :21:52.Mr President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring

:21:53. > :21:55.Yeah. And a hell of a lot worse.

:21:56. > :22:02.When they are shooting, when they are

:22:03. > :22:06.When they are chopping off the heads of people

:22:07. > :22:09.because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East.

:22:10. > :22:11.When Isis is doing things that nobody has

:22:12. > :22:14.ever heard of since medieval times, would I feel strongly about

:22:15. > :22:17.As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire

:22:18. > :22:21.Now, with that being said, I'm going with General Mattis.

:22:22. > :22:30.I'm going with my secretary, because I think Mike Pompeo is going to be

:22:31. > :22:36.phenomenal. I am going to go with what they say. I spoke as recently

:22:37. > :22:39.24 hours ago with people at the highest level intelligence and asked

:22:40. > :22:47.them the question, does it work? Does torture work? The answer was

:22:48. > :22:51.yes, absolutely. You are now the president - do you want

:22:52. > :22:54.waterboarding? I don't want anyone to have their head chopped off in

:22:55. > :22:58.the Middle East because they are Christian or Muslim or anything

:22:59. > :23:01.else. Now they chop them off, put them on camera and send them all

:23:02. > :23:06.over the world. We have that and we are not allowed to do anything. We

:23:07. > :23:14.are not playing on an even field. I will say this: I will rely on Mike

:23:15. > :23:20.Pompeo, general matters and my group. If they want to do it, I will

:23:21. > :23:24.work toward that end. I will do what you are allowed to do within the

:23:25. > :23:31.bounds of legality. Do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works.

:23:32. > :23:36.I have to bring you this breaking news. The Brexit secretary, David

:23:37. > :23:43.Davis, has told the Commons in reply to a question about Donald Trump's

:23:44. > :23:48.remarks on waterboarding colon the British Government's stance is

:23:49. > :23:50.playing. We don't condone it under any circumstances whatsoever. It

:23:51. > :23:52.will be interesting to see if Theresa May brings it up with Donald

:23:53. > :23:55.Trump when she meets him. Nigel Inkster is a former

:23:56. > :23:57.Director for Operations and Intelligence at MI6,

:23:58. > :23:59.and is now Director of Transnational Threats and Political Risk

:24:00. > :24:01.at the International Institute for Strategic Studies

:24:02. > :24:04.intelligence think-tank. And joining me from Londonderry

:24:05. > :24:08.is Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who was subject to torture and sent

:24:09. > :24:18.to Guantanamo Bay prison. Moazzam Begg, can you tell our

:24:19. > :24:25.audience what waterboarding involves, please? Yes, of course.

:24:26. > :24:33.Waterboarding is a technique first used in a Spanish prison. It means

:24:34. > :24:37.water torture, and it means a person is tied down, their hands, legs,

:24:38. > :24:41.head and arms, and water is poured into their mouths and their noses,

:24:42. > :24:51.and they get the sensation of feeling like they are drowning, even

:24:52. > :24:57.though when you go swimming, you can get water in your nose, imagine that

:24:58. > :25:02.for a sustained time. That is what waterboarding is. Japanese soldiers

:25:03. > :25:05.who did this during World War II to American soldiers were prosecuted

:25:06. > :25:10.for war crimes and were executed. So it is shocking that when the Bush

:25:11. > :25:22.administration came along and called it enhanced interrogation

:25:23. > :25:32.techniques, after his advisers said that if there was no organ failure

:25:33. > :25:37.it is not torture. President Obama said that the result of that torture

:25:38. > :25:42.had unintended consequences, such as invading Iraq. Can I ask, what type

:25:43. > :25:58.of torture have you been subjected to? IMing dairy and I have been

:25:59. > :26:05.talking to men here -- I am in Londonderry. I was put in stress

:26:06. > :26:11.positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. The result of

:26:12. > :26:16.that was what? Did you then tell your interrogators some information

:26:17. > :26:20.that until then you had kept from them? Did you tell them what they

:26:21. > :26:27.thought they wanted to hear? What was the result of the torture? The

:26:28. > :26:32.result was that I sign a confession. The BBC made a film recently about

:26:33. > :26:39.that confession. It said I was a member of Al-Qaeda. There were

:26:40. > :26:43.threats to my family. The physical torture I enjoyed and underwent, and

:26:44. > :26:51.the threat of being sent to summary trial and being executed. Let me

:26:52. > :26:56.bring in Nigel, a former employee of MI6. The belief torture works? In

:26:57. > :27:02.one sense, you can say that maybe it does. Let's take an example... Is

:27:03. > :27:09.the information you get from torture reliable? That varies. Let's take

:27:10. > :27:15.the case of Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s. How did the

:27:16. > :27:21.Argentine military crack their opposition? They torture them and

:27:22. > :27:24.once they got all the information they could, they threw them at the

:27:25. > :27:28.back of a Hercules over the South Atlantic. They did defeat the

:27:29. > :27:35.opposition, but at an awful cost in terms of the society, which still

:27:36. > :27:40.bears the scars. To say that torture works is a bit like saying that

:27:41. > :27:43.slavery works as a model of economic production. It is not the

:27:44. > :27:51.conversation we ought to be having. What do you think Donald Trump

:27:52. > :27:59.suggesting that waterboarding, the ban on waterboarding, may be

:28:00. > :28:02.reversed? He has cunningly qualified it by saying he would support the

:28:03. > :28:09.Director of the CIA and the Defence Secretary if they asked for it. I

:28:10. > :28:16.know James Matias by reputation. He is a thoughtful, educated man who

:28:17. > :28:21.took 6000 books with him to Iraq to read. I don't know Mike Pompeo but

:28:22. > :28:25.he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. I would be surprised

:28:26. > :28:33.if in the CIA the first thing they say to the incoming directories, we

:28:34. > :28:40.need get back to waterboarding. The way to deal with this problem of

:28:41. > :28:48.Isis and Al-Qaeda is not by using this sort of technique. In the case

:28:49. > :28:55.of Cally Sheikh Mohammed... The mastermind of the 911. This is a man

:28:56. > :29:01.who had information that was not available. What you really need is

:29:02. > :29:09.good, comprehensive intelligence, good forensics, forensics that

:29:10. > :29:13.enable you to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of specific

:29:14. > :29:17.terrorist attacks, and intelligence that is pre-empted. We are not so

:29:18. > :29:21.interested in what people were doing last week. The intelligence services

:29:22. > :29:24.need to know what they will be doing next week, and the best way to do

:29:25. > :29:32.that is to get agents on the inside and get across communication leaks.

:29:33. > :29:37.Moazzam Begg, if the ban is reversed in terms of torture methods in the

:29:38. > :29:40.United States, could that backfire in terms of propaganda material for

:29:41. > :29:48.members of Isis? You like two things quickly. First, yes, because you saw

:29:49. > :29:51.that Isis dresses victims in orange suits, and there were allegations

:29:52. > :29:56.that Isis members had waterboarded some of their captives. Second,

:29:57. > :30:05.let's look at the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was based on the torture

:30:06. > :30:09.of a man who was a CIA DK knee held in Egypt, when he give a false

:30:10. > :30:14.confession that Al-Qaeda was working with Saddam Hussein on weapons of

:30:15. > :30:17.mass destruction. Colin Powell took that information to the UN Security

:30:18. > :30:26.Council to argue for war in Iraq, and the rest is history. As a result

:30:27. > :30:28.of that, we got Isis incrementally. Thank you for your time, Moazzam

:30:29. > :30:37.Begg, and Nigel Inkster. Deaths and incidences

:30:38. > :30:44.of self-harm and assault We'll be talking to a former

:30:45. > :30:48.prisoner who was suicidal when incarcerated,

:30:49. > :30:49.and the ex-offender We hear from the man known

:30:50. > :30:54.as "the Spielberg of video games", and get his vision

:30:55. > :31:00.of the future of gaming. With the news, here's Annita

:31:01. > :31:03.in the BBC Newsroom. New figures show that a record

:31:04. > :31:08.number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in England

:31:09. > :31:10.and Wales last year. The Ministry of Justice says

:31:11. > :31:13.there were 119 suicides - the highest number since records

:31:14. > :31:16.began in 1978. The number of self-harm

:31:17. > :31:18.incidents jumped by 23%, and assaults rose by 31%

:31:19. > :31:32.on the previous year. I'm very clear that the levels of

:31:33. > :31:37.violence in our prisons are too high. The levels of self harm are

:31:38. > :31:43.too high. Since I became Justice Secretary, I focused on dealing with

:31:44. > :31:46.this problem. That's why we're investing in extra ?100 million,

:31:47. > :31:48.2500 extra prison officers across the estate.

:31:49. > :31:50.Raffaele Sollecito, who was acquitted of Meredith Kercher's

:31:51. > :31:53.murder alongside Amanda Knox, has told this programme he still has

:31:54. > :31:55.a debt of more than 400,000 euros following the case.

:31:56. > :31:58.He said the maximum he can claim from the Italian government

:31:59. > :32:17.This is calculated by the number of days you spend in prison. But this

:32:18. > :32:19.ordeal didn't last only for four years, it lasted ten years. I was

:32:20. > :32:22.inside this nightmare the ten years. GDP figures, which measure national

:32:23. > :32:24.output, show the UK economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter

:32:25. > :32:26.of last year. The figure is unchanged

:32:27. > :32:29.from the previous three months. Some economists had forecast

:32:30. > :32:31.a slow-down after the Brexit referendum, but strong consumer

:32:32. > :32:33.spending in the run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel

:32:34. > :32:35.and restaurant industries The US President Donald Trump says

:32:36. > :32:39.he believes that torture can work to get information out

:32:40. > :32:41.of suspected terrorists. Speaking to the American ABC

:32:42. > :32:44.network, he said he would seek further advice before deciding

:32:45. > :33:02.whether to bring back techniques But I have spoken as recently as 24

:33:03. > :33:07.hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked

:33:08. > :33:10.them the question, does it work? Does torture work? And the answer

:33:11. > :33:14.was, yes, absolutely. The NSPCC has told this programme it

:33:15. > :33:20.wants it to be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex

:33:21. > :33:22.with 16 and 17-year-olds In an exclusive interview,

:33:23. > :33:25.the charity pointed out it was already illegal for teachers

:33:26. > :33:29.and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds

:33:30. > :33:31.in their care. It's also calling for

:33:32. > :33:33.the rules around background checks to be tightened -

:33:34. > :33:35.with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches

:33:36. > :33:40.working with children. That's a summary of the latest news,

:33:41. > :33:47.join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. Here is he with the latest

:33:48. > :33:53.sport. Good morning. It has been a big day for the Williams family.

:33:54. > :33:56.Venus and Serena both made the final at the Australian open. Venus took

:33:57. > :34:03.three sets to beat the fellow American and rich her first grand

:34:04. > :34:08.slam since 2009, when she beat her younger sister Serena. She reaches

:34:09. > :34:15.her 34th major final inside one hour. Meanwhile, Roger Federer leads

:34:16. > :34:20.by 2-1 against Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. Wawrinka took the third

:34:21. > :34:25.set 6-1, things may be about to turn around. A break each so far in the

:34:26. > :34:32.fourth. Southampton boss has stretched the importance of playing

:34:33. > :34:39.in Europe. And Britain's Millie Knight, who won Bown Hill Gold in

:34:40. > :34:43.the world pal back Alpine ski championships -- the world Para

:34:44. > :34:48.Alpine ski championships will not compete today after injuring her

:34:49. > :34:58.leg. That's all the sport for now, I will be back after 11am.

:34:59. > :35:05.The Brexit Secretary David Davies is publishing a Bill today which will

:35:06. > :35:13.allow the Government to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to

:35:14. > :35:17.begin the formal process of leaving the EU. Norman Smith is at

:35:18. > :35:21.Westminster. We are beginning to get a clearer idea of what Brexit will

:35:22. > :35:25.look like. It will get published shortly. This bill will kick-start

:35:26. > :35:28.the whole process. Later this morning, the Government will tell us

:35:29. > :35:33.how quickly they want it through the Commons. And in the next few days we

:35:34. > :35:38.expect to get this white paper setting out Mrs May's approach to

:35:39. > :35:41.negotiations. A good time to step back and see Mrs May is doing in

:35:42. > :35:49.delivering Brexit. Well, this week she may have been a bit down in the

:35:50. > :35:53.dumps. Because of firstly the judges, the Supreme Court ruling

:35:54. > :35:58.saying that MPs had to have a vote before we can begin the process to

:35:59. > :36:03.leave the EU, not what Mrs May wanted. And then we have the Brexit

:36:04. > :36:07.plan. She was forced to climb down over her opposition to a white

:36:08. > :36:12.paper, the paper setting out the Goverment's formal approach to the

:36:13. > :36:17.negotiations. Lastly, Tory rebels. The signs are there maybe 12, maybe

:36:18. > :36:22.up to 20 Tory MPs who are quite happy to cause her problems over

:36:23. > :36:25.Brexit, when she has only got a majority of around 16. On the other

:36:26. > :36:31.hand, she might be feeling quite glad that things are really going

:36:32. > :36:35.rather well. Why? Well, first off, Labour is split. Labour or at sixes

:36:36. > :36:39.and sevens over Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't managed to forge a

:36:40. > :36:43.united position for his party, and his MPs haven't really been able to

:36:44. > :36:50.say whether they are going to oppose Article 50 or support it, what their

:36:51. > :36:52.stance is on immigration. That is a pretty big plus for Mrs May. Then

:36:53. > :36:56.there are fears about peers. The House of Lords could cause all sort

:36:57. > :36:59.of trouble. But you sense that members of the House of Lords or a

:37:00. > :37:04.bit frightened. They don't want to do that because it would be

:37:05. > :37:09.unelected peers in effect spinning in the face of the referendum, and

:37:10. > :37:13.what people had voted for. Lastly, there's people power. Mrs May can

:37:14. > :37:17.keep coming back and saying, well, this is what the electorate voted

:37:18. > :37:24.for in the referendum. I have a mandate for delivering Brexit. One

:37:25. > :37:28.final thought, Victoria. We focus a lot on what happens in this place,

:37:29. > :37:32.but at the end of the day, whether Brexit is a success or not may

:37:33. > :37:36.depend just as much on what happens on the other side of the channel,

:37:37. > :37:38.what sort of deal the other 27 EU countries are prepared to cut us.

:37:39. > :37:45.Thank you very much, Norman. The Ministry of Justice has

:37:46. > :37:47.released its quarterly figures on prison statistics

:37:48. > :37:49.in England in Wales. They show that 119 prisoners

:37:50. > :37:56.took their own life last There were also record numbers of

:37:57. > :38:02.self harm incidents. What are some of the initiatives that put

:38:03. > :38:07.well-being over punishment? Alongside punishment, anyway. One of

:38:08. > :38:10.the most successful schemes is the Samaritans' listeners service, where

:38:11. > :38:13.prisoners are trained to provide emotional support by becoming

:38:14. > :38:17.listeners. Many prisoners say the power of peer led initiatives is

:38:18. > :38:22.that it gives the mutual respect and a purpose to talk things through

:38:23. > :38:26.with somebody who has been through it themselves. Let's talk to Michael

:38:27. > :38:30.Owen, he is in Belfast. He went to jail in 2007 for a drug trafficking

:38:31. > :38:37.offence. He says he felt like killing himself on a number of

:38:38. > :38:39.occasions until he was able to confidentially talk to a fellow

:38:40. > :38:45.inmate through one of these peer schemes. And we have got that man

:38:46. > :38:49.here, Mick Hall, who Michael says saved his life. Mikel to Michael and

:38:50. > :38:53.many others. For years on, they still write to each other and plan

:38:54. > :38:59.to meet up for a pint. Welcome, both of you. Also with us is Frances

:39:00. > :39:03.Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform. That beget

:39:04. > :39:05.your reaction, Francis, to the figures released this morning? It's

:39:06. > :39:12.a national scandal, and we should all be shocked. The suicide rate in

:39:13. > :39:19.prisons is ten times that in the community. Prisoners so why prisons

:39:20. > :39:23.or actually killing people. That shouldn't happen in our prisons.

:39:24. > :39:27.People should at least be safe. Too many men, women and teenagers take

:39:28. > :39:31.their own lives in prisons. That somebody every three days taking

:39:32. > :39:35.their own life, mostly by hanging, not always. So something has to be

:39:36. > :39:39.done to save lives. Of course, the other side to it is that people die

:39:40. > :39:43.from so-called natural causes, where perhaps they might have survived if

:39:44. > :39:49.they had been in the community. That is somebody dying from so-called

:39:50. > :39:53.natural causes every single in prison. Michael, when you went to

:39:54. > :39:58.jail in 2007, it was the first time this has happened to you. Tell us

:39:59. > :40:04.what led to you feeling suicidal? Well, first of all it was the actual

:40:05. > :40:09.thing, you lose hope, you have this feeling of hopelessness comes across

:40:10. > :40:14.you. And then you have so many different factors to deal with in

:40:15. > :40:19.prison, the pressures are really, really, really high. I mean, as

:40:20. > :40:23.Irving James once said, people will never understand the strength and

:40:24. > :40:27.courage it takes to get through imprisonment. It could be anything

:40:28. > :40:31.that triggers this. At that time, whenever I met Nick, I had just been

:40:32. > :40:37.sentenced. My father wasn't very well. And I was in a certain bit of

:40:38. > :40:40.trouble with some of the officers on the wing. And I just had this

:40:41. > :40:46.overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. And there was no way

:40:47. > :40:50.out. And I was standing, leaning on the landing one date with sort of my

:40:51. > :40:54.head in my hands, and mix just came over and said, are you a cake, big

:40:55. > :40:59.lad? And I said, I'm not, actually. We went to had a cup of tea and we

:41:00. > :41:06.took it from that. Mix, from your point of view? Yes, when people

:41:07. > :41:16.first come to prison, it's not how you see on the telly. On the news

:41:17. > :41:22.programmes, and in dramas. And the way of dealing with things in

:41:23. > :41:28.everyday life is totally different. And you're not really taught this.

:41:29. > :41:35.They have, they have induction processes that you go through. But

:41:36. > :41:38.even that isn't real life situations. And, you know, the

:41:39. > :41:43.prison officers haven't got time to cope with what's happening to each

:41:44. > :41:51.individual prisoner outside of life. How did you help Michael? Well,

:41:52. > :41:56.talking, basically. Helping the sort of come EU no, he didn't have any

:41:57. > :42:01.specific problems, I think he had just more or less started to be a

:42:02. > :42:06.friend. I've probably got a weird sense of humour, so I might have

:42:07. > :42:12.cracked a few jokes to break the ice. He is smiling at you saying

:42:13. > :42:16.that! We just went on to become friends. There were things may be

:42:17. > :42:21.that he didn't understand about how to organise things, and papped I was

:42:22. > :42:25.able to help him with that. -- perhaps I was able to help. Michael,

:42:26. > :42:33.he says perhaps he was able to help, how would you describe it was Greg

:42:34. > :42:38.-- how would you describe it? Present-day structures you, and you

:42:39. > :42:42.lose your identity as a person, your identity as a man -- prison the

:42:43. > :42:47.structures you. I didn't know how to deal with myself, and Mikel to me do

:42:48. > :42:51.that. We started doing a writing course and working on the prison

:42:52. > :42:55.radio together. I was lucky enough whenever I ended up back in Northern

:42:56. > :42:59.Ireland I became a listener myself, I was able to pass on the knowledge

:43:00. > :43:04.on the experiences that Mike had taught me. Because I've lived

:43:05. > :43:08.through it and I'd walked the walk of these experiences, I was able to

:43:09. > :43:12.help other people. And it was so rewarding and it gave me a sense of

:43:13. > :43:15.purpose. I'd just like to take this opportunity in public just to say

:43:16. > :43:20.thanks, mate, you know, you turned my life around, you know. Cheers,

:43:21. > :43:31.mate. There's not a lot we can say about that, is the? It's real, and

:43:32. > :43:37.special, you know. This is the first time we've sort of really spoken

:43:38. > :43:43.about it. Our only conversations and our friendship doesn't really come,

:43:44. > :43:47.from my point of view, from saving lives or anything, you know, so,

:43:48. > :43:54.thanks very much for that. It's all right. Of course, there will be some

:43:55. > :43:56.people who say, if you don't want to go through the prison system then

:43:57. > :44:02.don't do that crime in the first play. -- in the first place. Why

:44:03. > :44:08.should people have sympathy for inmates who are having a bad time?

:44:09. > :44:14.We could really get into a whole different field here. The old adage

:44:15. > :44:17.of any person in prison is innocent, there is an awful lot of people in

:44:18. > :44:21.prison that shouldn't be there, which is a different conversation

:44:22. > :44:26.maybe for a different day. What do you say to that, Francis? We don't

:44:27. > :44:30.send people to die, and yet that is exactly what is happening. And there

:44:31. > :44:33.are many, many people, many thousands of people who shouldn't be

:44:34. > :44:40.imprisoned. Many people who are sent there on remand by the courts who

:44:41. > :44:46.are found not guilty war who are not given a prison sentence. We've also

:44:47. > :44:48.had sentence inflation. 20 years ago we'd send somebody to prison for

:44:49. > :44:52.eight years, now we'd send them there for 15 or 20, and there is no

:44:53. > :44:57.evidence that that makes anybody safer. It takes away hope, it means

:44:58. > :45:01.that prisons are in a terrible overcrowded state, the rotten of

:45:02. > :45:08.staff. They are rat infested, people aren't getting enough food --

:45:09. > :45:13.they're not enough staff. We inspect a miracle to happen, but they fester

:45:14. > :45:17.more crime than they solve. We are creating huge problems for ourselves

:45:18. > :45:23.and people are dying as a result. Mix, tell us about person that you

:45:24. > :45:30.helped to save, effectively, by helping them fill out a form?

:45:31. > :45:41.This was a guy about my age. I was asked to speak to him one night

:45:42. > :45:44.because he wouldn't interact with anybody, not even the staff. He

:45:45. > :45:49.wouldn't come out for meals and things like that. They asked if I

:45:50. > :45:55.would speak to him to see if I could find out what the problem was. At

:45:56. > :46:03.first, he was very aggressive, in that he didn't want to speak to me

:46:04. > :46:07.or to be -- for me to be there. The prison was in lockdown. I said, I

:46:08. > :46:12.won't be able to go anywhere for a couple of hours, so I will just sit.

:46:13. > :46:19.After a while, we started talking. He wasn't getting any visit from his

:46:20. > :46:24.family, because the system says you have to fill in a form and ask

:46:25. > :46:27.permission for a visiting order, basically an application for the

:46:28. > :46:32.family to come and visit, but the family can't say, for instance,

:46:33. > :46:37.wildlife can say to me, I want to come and visit you. I have to send

:46:38. > :46:41.her a request and she filled it in. Because he couldn't read or write,

:46:42. > :46:49.he couldn't do that, so his family couldn't come to see him, he

:46:50. > :46:53.couldn't explain why. You were in a certain amount of money each week,

:46:54. > :46:58.you are given an allowance, and you have to put this on to a canteen

:46:59. > :47:02.list, and you can put so much money on the phone so you use the paper.

:47:03. > :47:08.He didn't know how to fill the forms in, so he couldn't even phone his

:47:09. > :47:13.family and explain his situation. He couldn't bring himself to tell

:47:14. > :47:21.anybody, so... He was embarrassed, as Shane? Yes. And he didn't want

:47:22. > :47:38.people to see this weakness in him. He eventually went on to read and

:47:39. > :47:42.write. What made me feel good was when I stood up a few months later,

:47:43. > :47:47.I was teaching the sky to read and write, and I heard him do a reading

:47:48. > :48:00.in church. Gosh, you will make me cry. Blimey! What is your message to

:48:01. > :48:03.Liz Truss? I had a good meeting with the Justice secretary yesterday, and

:48:04. > :48:07.I think she has plans in place to deal with some of the problems. She

:48:08. > :48:12.is recruiting more staff... It will take time. It will. Prison officers

:48:13. > :48:18.are not paid much and they are giving very little training, and it

:48:19. > :48:22.is a profession. Immediately, we have to get prison numbers down

:48:23. > :48:26.because there are not the staff to deal with them, and you can't ask

:48:27. > :48:30.other prisoners to do this. It is not their job. It is great that

:48:31. > :48:37.there are listeners supported by the Samaritans, but it ought to be

:48:38. > :48:41.staffed. The only solution is to get the numbers down. The Howwood league

:48:42. > :48:47.has suggested simple ways we can get those numbers down and change

:48:48. > :48:50.prisons so that they can serve a real purpose. Then when you have

:48:51. > :48:55.prisoners properly trained to help other prisoners, they will have the

:48:56. > :49:04.time and support to do it. Prisons can work, but they are really not at

:49:05. > :49:13.the moment. I have this breakdown of the numbers and which prisons have

:49:14. > :49:18.the highest number of self-inflicted deaths. Woodhill jail near Milton

:49:19. > :49:23.Keynes, with seven people. And it is 18 in the last four years. And seven

:49:24. > :49:31.in one year. And it is relatively new. The Government is building lots

:49:32. > :49:35.of new prisons, but they don't themselves solve the problem. New

:49:36. > :49:39.buildings aren't the answer. It is not the buildings that are the

:49:40. > :49:43.problem, it's the overcrowding in the system. The system is in crisis

:49:44. > :49:53.because it is crumbling. Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to

:49:54. > :50:03.us, really appreciate it. Mike, it is so good to hear you and make

:50:04. > :50:06.talking to each other. -- you and Mick.

:50:07. > :50:09.Let's remind you of those figures that we broke earlier on Britain's

:50:10. > :50:12.recent economic performance - the economy grew by 0.6%

:50:13. > :50:15.in the final three months of last year and by 2% over 2016,

:50:16. > :50:17.that's according to figures just released by the Office

:50:18. > :50:22.Economists had forecast a slow-down after the Brexit referendum.

:50:23. > :50:24.In the last few minutes, the Chancellor Philip Hammond

:50:25. > :50:36.The figures today, which are very good, show the resilience of the UK

:50:37. > :50:41.economy, and they pointed a bright future we have as we go into this

:50:42. > :50:43.period of negotiation with the European Union based on the very

:50:44. > :50:50.clear agenda that the Prime Minister set out last week.

:50:51. > :50:53.Next we're talking about the man described by some as the Spielberg

:50:54. > :50:59.Hideo Kojima is the brains behind the top-selling Metal Gear series

:51:00. > :51:01.that inspired a style of game that many of today's bestselling

:51:02. > :51:05.Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Steffan Powell has been given rare

:51:06. > :51:08.behind the scenes access to his new studio in Tokyo,

:51:09. > :51:16.where Mr Kojima is planning on changing the industry once again.

:51:17. > :51:22.Once again. He is not one to rest on his laurels, Hideo Kojima. People

:51:23. > :51:29.may be don't know who he is, but 30 years ago, games were all about

:51:30. > :51:33.fighting people, then he came along and made one about sneaking around

:51:34. > :51:36.instead. Since then, through lots of innovation and lots of ideas since,

:51:37. > :51:43.that basic principle has been replicated time and again ever

:51:44. > :51:48.since. He has won pretty much every major lifetime achievement award in

:51:49. > :51:54.gaming. When he speaks, the industry listens, so we were lucky to have a

:51:55. > :51:58.tour and him talking us through some of the significant places in his

:51:59. > :52:04.recent history. What did he say about his future, the future? Anyone

:52:05. > :52:11.who plays games, their future. If you are sat at home watching Downton

:52:12. > :52:16.Abbey, he wants to have this in place where you can stop watching

:52:17. > :52:21.and start playing it and vice versa, if you could be playing a game...

:52:22. > :52:25.Playing a Downton Abbey game? You like it is more than that, it is an

:52:26. > :52:27.experience merged into one. Instead of me explaining it, here is what

:52:28. > :52:29.the man himself said. TRANSLATION: Things such as games,

:52:30. > :52:31.music, novels and movies, and all these things will kind

:52:32. > :52:45.of mesh together into one As you can see, he is talking about

:52:46. > :52:49.the idea where things are merging together. He is working on a big

:52:50. > :52:54.secret game that we don't know much about. He is suggesting that this

:52:55. > :52:56.sort of thing will already be coming when that one is released in the

:52:57. > :53:00.next couple of years. Healy is explaining that.

:53:01. > :53:02.TRANSLATION: We want this game to be something that people can

:53:03. > :53:04.get into very easily, but after they play it

:53:05. > :53:07.for about an hour or two, they start to notice something

:53:08. > :53:13.It's something that they haven't played before.

:53:14. > :53:21.The idea is that the industry change will happen soon. You could be sat

:53:22. > :53:24.at home playing a move me -- a movie or watching a game.

:53:25. > :53:27.Elle Osili-Wood is in Brisbane and Helen Gould is in London,

:53:28. > :54:02.I'm Ellie Gould. Sorry! Where is Helen? In London! My fault. He is a

:54:03. > :54:08.rock star in the gaming world, this guy, fill us in another five. I

:54:09. > :54:11.interviewed him on stage at a big gaming event at Earls Court a few

:54:12. > :54:16.years ago and it was like Madonna had arrived. He has people there and

:54:17. > :54:21.the gamers get very excited. He really is a rock star of games.

:54:22. > :54:25.Years arguably a genius. He created one of the most popular franchises

:54:26. > :54:31.in gaming history, and one of the most innovative, Metal Gear Solid,

:54:32. > :54:37.with an amazing plot, characters and ideas. He is responsible for

:54:38. > :54:45.landmark innovations in video games. What do you want the future to hold

:54:46. > :54:54.in terms of video gaming? We're looking for games to improve. There

:54:55. > :55:03.are some fast big games at the moment that are really immersive,

:55:04. > :55:06.which focus on storytelling through music and graphics, and I think that

:55:07. > :55:14.is what will really stand out when we think of games as a medium, as an

:55:15. > :55:18.artform. It will have to be a fantastic, immersive experience.

:55:19. > :55:21.Helen, he talked about the limitations of virtual reality,

:55:22. > :55:26.didn't he? Do you agree with what he had to say? At the moment, I would

:55:27. > :55:31.say I have too, because at the minute, it is very difficult for

:55:32. > :55:36.developers to make virtual reality games that have a continuous

:55:37. > :55:41.narrative. A lot of the stuff that is out there is based on getting the

:55:42. > :55:45.player used to this strange new reality they are in and working out,

:55:46. > :55:49.my hand is here, this is what I have to do. I don't know if there has

:55:50. > :56:05.been any long immersive things in the way that L was saying. I think

:56:06. > :56:11.it would be interesting to see virtual reality go that way, but it

:56:12. > :56:16.has a long way to go. Do you agree? Yes, for me, it is a bit like a

:56:17. > :56:20.roller-coaster. It is amazing experience, a real novelty. It is

:56:21. > :56:24.great for about four minutes. After that, at the moment, you want to get

:56:25. > :56:30.off and you probably feel a bit sick. The challenge is to create

:56:31. > :56:39.something that is actually a game and not a novelty, a world you want

:56:40. > :56:43.to be in. You want to follow a story, a narrative arc. It is about

:56:44. > :56:51.the sustainability of the narrative, for sure. He has come under fire for

:56:52. > :56:57.his portrayal of women in games - do you sense he is trying to address

:56:58. > :57:08.that? I hope so. Definitely, it's fair to say that Metal Gear has lots

:57:09. > :57:19.of girls with big boots and so forth. All the big studios thought,

:57:20. > :57:24.what we need for the teenage boys is half naked women. He is a huge

:57:25. > :57:29.industry figure and there is huge excitement about his next project,

:57:30. > :57:36.so I hope he uses his platform to have an in -- a more inclusive and

:57:37. > :57:40.empowered version of women. People ask about gender issues in gaming -

:57:41. > :57:48.is it still an issue? You like it is, like an awful lot of things. It

:57:49. > :57:52.is changing, and changing because more women are making games, and

:57:53. > :57:55.because more men making games are taking the issues more seriously,

:57:56. > :58:02.and their responsibility more seriously, and hopefully we will see

:58:03. > :58:07.a shift. When? Tomorrow at about 4:30pm! Thank you.