02/02/2017

:00:09. > :00:13.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:14. > :00:15.The Government's strategy for Brexit will be published today after MPs

:00:16. > :00:25.back Theresa May's right to trigger the process for leaving the EU.

:00:26. > :00:32.The ayes to the right, 498. The noes to the left, 114.

:00:33. > :00:38.CHEERING Also this morning -

:00:39. > :00:40.the new property trap. We'll bring you an exclusive report

:00:41. > :00:42.on the misery of homeowners who are locked into high charges

:00:43. > :00:45.and - in some cases - are having the ground sold

:00:46. > :00:59.from beneath their feet. I have asked the company for a

:01:00. > :01:01.breakdown of how the freeholders cupped elated, the methodology of

:01:02. > :01:05.the evaluation, and they have failed to provide me with it. They have

:01:06. > :01:07.said I can go with it, or if I challenge it, I have to take on the

:01:08. > :01:11.legal fees. And no release for killers

:01:12. > :01:14.who won't reveal the wheerabouts of their victims' bodies -

:01:15. > :01:17.that's what one mum is campaigning for after her daughter

:01:18. > :01:19.was murdered 30 years ago. We will talk to marry McCourt in the

:01:20. > :01:31.next hour. Welcome to the programme,

:01:32. > :01:37.we're live until 11 this morning. You've no doubt seen Beyonce's

:01:38. > :01:39.surprise announcement that she's pregnant with twins -

:01:40. > :01:58.it has now become the most liked That photo was taken when half a

:01:59. > :02:02.million people had liked it, we are now up to over 7 million. That is a

:02:03. > :02:06.lot of likes, isn't it? She said she and her husband Jay Z

:02:07. > :02:09."have been blessed two times over", adding "we are incredibly grateful

:02:10. > :02:11.that our family will She signed it "The Carters",

:02:12. > :02:24.Jay Z's real last name. Spit Barbara it is an interesting

:02:25. > :02:30.picture. -- it is an interesting picture, isn't it?

:02:31. > :02:33.Wearing just her bra and knickers and weirdly a veil, and kneeling

:02:34. > :02:45.If you've been pregnant with twins, and you took a pic

:02:46. > :02:49.of your belly with your twins inside - and I kno wyou all did,

:02:50. > :02:53.and you feel you can send it me - then do and we'll show it on TV.

:02:54. > :02:55.If you are pregnant right now and feel you can

:02:56. > :02:58.recreate the Beyonce look - send me that pic, too.

:02:59. > :03:04.That is the bit I am most looking forward to in the programme today.

:03:05. > :03:13.My most liked photo on Instagram is: It's little Gracie, that one got 50

:03:14. > :03:17.likes. I've got a long way to go to reach seven million and whatever it

:03:18. > :03:26.was. That is my little black cocker spaniel.

:03:27. > :03:29.We're talking about this morning - use the hashtag #VictoriaLive

:03:30. > :03:32.and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:03:33. > :03:35.Parliament takes the first step towards leaving

:03:36. > :03:37.the European Union as MPs vote overwhelmingly in favour

:03:38. > :03:42.Last night MPs approved legislation which gives the Prime Minister

:03:43. > :03:43.the power to start negotiations with European leaders.

:03:44. > :03:45.Theresa May will outline plans for leaving the EU today, as our

:03:46. > :03:48.Political Correspondent Iain Watson reports.

:03:49. > :03:52.Seven months after the referendum and the process of leaving

:03:53. > :03:56.Last night, MPs backed the principle of triggering Article 50 -

:03:57. > :03:59.the formal opening of the EU exit door.

:04:00. > :04:01.This was welcomed by prominent Leave campaigners.

:04:02. > :04:05.What this shows is that we can go into this negotiation with some

:04:06. > :04:16.Last month, the Prime Minister talked about her priorities.

:04:17. > :04:18.Today, the Government will set out its plans for Brexit

:04:19. > :04:21.in what is known as a white paper, a document which politicians

:04:22. > :04:26.Next week, MPs will have another opportunity

:04:27. > :04:39.While only one Conservative MP, veteran former chancellor

:04:40. > :04:42.Ken Clarke, rebelled against his government last night,

:04:43. > :04:44.others in his party who are worried about leaving the EU's single market

:04:45. > :04:46.haven't ruled out opposing the plans further down the line.

:04:47. > :04:48.There is a separate debate to be had.

:04:49. > :04:51.I think many of us in Parliament and many, many thousands,

:04:52. > :04:54.tens of thousands of people outside, have very firm views on that

:04:55. > :04:58.which I hope the Government will give us time to debate.

:04:59. > :05:01.But in the short term, it is Labour that looks more divided.

:05:02. > :05:04.The official line was not to block the referendum result but 47

:05:05. > :05:06.of Jeremy Corbyn's MPs defied him and voted against the process

:05:07. > :05:13.The Labour leader has already lost three members of his top team

:05:14. > :05:16.and two other pro-EU MPs in his Shadow Cabinet

:05:17. > :05:19.are considering whether to resign next week.

:05:20. > :05:22.All this before the British government has even begun

:05:23. > :05:28.Let's speak to our political guru Norman Smith.

:05:29. > :05:42.What next, Norman? Well, Brexit a go-go, I think. Mrs may now has the

:05:43. > :05:45.back of the House of Commons to leave the EU, and you are scratching

:05:46. > :05:52.your head as to why she fought tooth and nail to avoid giving MPs the

:05:53. > :05:57.vote in the first place, it was dragged out of her by the European

:05:58. > :06:01.court. She now has the mandate of the people and the referendum, and

:06:02. > :06:07.the mandate of MPs, so I suspect her attention will shift from

:06:08. > :06:11.Westminster to Brussels. There are some real battles looming ahead, but

:06:12. > :06:17.as far as Westminster is concerned, her position has been hugely

:06:18. > :06:20.strengthened by last night's vote. And what about Labour's position

:06:21. > :06:25.after that vote? Complete dogs dinner, you have to say. More

:06:26. > :06:32.resignations, more MPs walking out of the door, and these are not

:06:33. > :06:35.anti-corporate MPs, two more shadow resignations possible, ten

:06:36. > :06:40.frontbenchers divide Mr Corbyn, his whips office and the people who are

:06:41. > :06:46.meant to enforce the will of the leader seems to be an open

:06:47. > :06:49.insurrection, with three of them defying him it is a complete and

:06:50. > :06:54.utter mess, and you just wonder how on earth Jeremy Corbyn is going to

:06:55. > :07:00.put this party back together again. Thank you very much, Norman now.

:07:01. > :07:02.Ben Brown is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:07:03. > :07:08.A ban on scheduled night flights at Heathrow is being proposed,

:07:09. > :07:10.as part of plans to build a third runway there.

:07:11. > :07:12.Ministers will set out proposals for the 22 billion

:07:13. > :07:14.pound expansion today - including the regulations

:07:15. > :07:16.which the airport will have to comply with.

:07:17. > :07:23.The debate over the expansion of Heathrow has long

:07:24. > :07:29.After years of debate, the Government announced Heathrow

:07:30. > :07:34.as their preferred location to build a new runway back in October 2016.

:07:35. > :07:36.Today, they will be launching a 16-week consultation

:07:37. > :07:41.as they make clear what their plans will be.

:07:42. > :07:43.They're likely to include six domestic airports which will be

:07:44. > :07:49.An additional 260,000 take-offs or landings will be

:07:50. > :07:55.Support for communities affected by expansion and a ban on scheduled

:07:56. > :08:01.flights for 6.5 hours overnight to reduce the impact of noise.

:08:02. > :08:03.The Transport Secretary Chris Grayling is expected to say

:08:04. > :08:05.the third runway at Heathrow will enhance UK's global links

:08:06. > :08:14.But critics are still likely to have concerns.

:08:15. > :08:18.The final vote will be held in Parliament later this year

:08:19. > :08:21.or in 2018, but the runway is not expected to be operational

:08:22. > :08:31.The Church of England has admitted that allegations of historical

:08:32. > :08:36.physical abuse made against a former friend of the Archbishop

:08:37. > :08:37.of Canterbury, Justin Welby, should have been

:08:38. > :08:42.The Archbishop says although he worked with the barrister,

:08:43. > :08:44.John Smythe, a former leader at Iwerne Holiday Camp,

:08:45. > :08:47.who is accused of a series of allegations, he says he was not

:08:48. > :08:55.The Bank of England is expected to upgrade its growth forecast

:08:56. > :08:56.when it presents its latest assessment of

:08:57. > :09:03.It's thought the Bank will predict annual growth

:09:04. > :09:05.of around 1.8%, more than double the forecast

:09:06. > :09:07.it made last August, in the weeks following the EU

:09:08. > :09:11.But it's thought the quarterly report will also warn

:09:12. > :09:15.Australia's Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has denied claims

:09:16. > :09:18.that President Trump hung up on him during a fiery

:09:19. > :09:25.telephone conversation over a refugee resettlement deal.

:09:26. > :09:28.Mr Trump described the deal struck by the previous Obama

:09:29. > :09:36.The arrangement allows the most vulnerable asylum seekers held

:09:37. > :09:39.in offshore detention centres off Australia to be resettled in the US.

:09:40. > :09:42.The Washington Post reported Mr Trump called the phone

:09:43. > :09:44.conversation between the two leaders as "the worst by far"

:09:45. > :09:53.10,000 fewer people applied to train to become nurses last year,

:09:54. > :10:02.The figures - from the university admissions service UCAS -

:10:03. > :10:08.They also show that overall university applications from UK

:10:09. > :10:12.An investigation for this programme has found that some

:10:13. > :10:14.homeowners who thought they'd bought their homes

:10:15. > :10:18.outright are actually caught in complicated leaseholder deals.

:10:19. > :10:21.Some have discovered the ground their property is built

:10:22. > :10:23.on is being sold for profit without their knowledge.

:10:24. > :10:31.A body that monitors anti-semitism in Britain says violence and abuse

:10:32. > :10:35.against Jewish people has reached an all-time high.

:10:36. > :10:48.According to the Community Security Trust, there were more than 1300

:10:49. > :10:50.reported incidents last year, an increase

:10:51. > :10:54.Facebook has been ordered to pay damages of almost ?400 million

:10:55. > :10:56.over claims it unlawfully used another firm's

:10:57. > :11:02.A court in Dallas ruled Facebook had breached a non-disclosure agreement.

:11:03. > :11:06.The case ended hours before the company reported

:11:07. > :11:08.a sharp rise in profits - it made more than ?2.8 billion

:11:09. > :11:16.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:11:17. > :11:25.Thank you very much. The pictures are coming in! I knew you wouldn't

:11:26. > :11:29.let me down. Very much looking forward to your pictures of when you

:11:30. > :11:33.were pregnant with Twins or if you are currently pregnant with twins,

:11:34. > :11:38.as Rebecca is. Just going to sort your picture out and put it on the

:11:39. > :11:40.television in a minute. If you want to recreate the Beyonce picture, go

:11:41. > :11:48.right ahead, because that would lease me very much. You can send

:11:49. > :11:54.your pictures via Twitter, you can e-mail. If you are texting, you will

:11:55. > :11:58.be charged at the standard network rate.

:11:59. > :12:09.It was a contrasting night for the two Manchester clubs, wasn't it? It

:12:10. > :12:13.is hard to see when Manchester City play like this, and they are only

:12:14. > :12:16.down in fifth. They went into the match 13 points behind league

:12:17. > :12:25.leaders Chelsea, and they were comfortable 4-0 win winners over

:12:26. > :12:29.West Ham. Gabriel Jesus grabbed his first for the club after Kevin de

:12:30. > :12:34.Bruyne's opener. They are now ten points off the top. But a different

:12:35. > :12:39.night for Manchester United, left frustrated against Hull. Manager

:12:40. > :12:43.Jose Mourinho was incensed after the final whistle for what he feels is

:12:44. > :12:46.different treatment which he is getting from referees as opposed to

:12:47. > :12:51.other Premier League managers. He said Jurgen Klopp in Liverpool's

:12:52. > :12:55.match with Chelsea was complimented for his passion that he shows on the

:12:56. > :12:58.sidelines, but after the match, Jose Mourinho said if he was to show

:12:59. > :13:03.similar levels of emotion, he would be sent to the stands, and you can

:13:04. > :13:05.see this double standard is certainly irritating him as he

:13:06. > :13:12.walked out of his post-match interview afterwards. What is your

:13:13. > :13:17.overall impression at night's performance? We didn't score. If you

:13:18. > :13:22.don't score, it isn't possible to win. Their goalkeeper was in

:13:23. > :13:26.marvellous form. He was. What you feel the referee should have put

:13:27. > :13:31.them up on? If you don't know football, you shouldn't have the

:13:32. > :13:37.microphone in your hand. A great night for Peter Crouch? It

:13:38. > :13:41.was, he is a Premier League legend, and now in an exclusive club having

:13:42. > :13:46.scored his 100th Premier League goal last night. Only 26 other players

:13:47. > :13:50.have achieved that. This one came 15 years after he scored his first in

:13:51. > :13:56.the top flight, and look celebrate! He reprised his signature move, the

:13:57. > :13:59.robot is back! He pulled that out before the World Cup back in 2006,

:14:00. > :14:04.and he thought he would entertain the crowds by doing it once again.

:14:05. > :14:07.It certainly entertained us as well, this is what he had to say. How much

:14:08. > :14:10.have you been practising that celebration this week in

:14:11. > :14:17.anticipation? Not enough, by the looks of it! It was a little bit

:14:18. > :14:22.stiff, it has been over ten years, I don't do it every day, let me say

:14:23. > :14:26.that. But yes, it was a bit of the starch, I pulled it out. It was nice

:14:27. > :14:34.to get the 100, really pleased to that milestone. He said he was

:14:35. > :14:38.rusty, but I think he was looking pretty good. I can't believe you did

:14:39. > :14:44.that! That is there for ever, you know! I am here all morning. You

:14:45. > :14:50.thought about that, you considered it, and you came the to the decision

:14:51. > :14:55.that you would still do it on television! I do like this

:14:56. > :15:00.programme. Thank you to those people are now sending pictures of your

:15:01. > :15:07.actual twins, I like that, too. First this morning.

:15:08. > :15:10.In an exclusive investigation - homeowners who bought

:15:11. > :15:12.their properties under complicated leasehold deals, have told this

:15:13. > :15:14.programme of spiralling costs and a fear they'll have nothing left

:15:15. > :15:18.Those affected don't own the land their houses are built on,

:15:19. > :15:21.and in some cases that land is literally being bought

:15:22. > :15:25.The Government says it's about to announce "radical

:15:26. > :15:36.Our reporter James Longman has this special report.

:15:37. > :15:38.Hello, and welcome to Taylor Wimpey's How To Make Your Move.

:15:39. > :15:42.We can't buy it, we can't sell - I honestly don't know what we'll do.

:15:43. > :15:44.It's the biggest mistake I've ever made.

:15:45. > :15:46.It just seems immoral and completely unethical.

:15:47. > :15:48.This is just an attempt to dupe people into a very

:15:49. > :16:02.We all know there's a housing crisis in the UK.

:16:03. > :16:06.Not enough homes, with many priced out.

:16:07. > :16:09.To help Generation Rent become Generation Buy,

:16:10. > :16:11.new homes are going up across the country.

:16:12. > :16:15.But new or old, are you buying a leasehold or freehold home?

:16:16. > :16:28.'Britain's first factory-made show house'.

:16:29. > :16:34.If you're a freeholder, you just own your home outright.

:16:35. > :16:35.We've got modern established period thatched.

:16:36. > :16:39.But you can also lease your home to someone else.

:16:40. > :16:45.That's the leaseholder, who basically rents time on your land.

:16:46. > :16:51.At this stage, anything is worth looking at.

:16:52. > :16:53.In recent years, the number of leaseholdS has shot up

:16:54. > :16:56.and there are also more traps leaseholders can fall into.

:16:57. > :17:05.It sells that house to Mr and Mrs Smith.

:17:06. > :17:09.But what it sold is the lease to that house.

:17:10. > :17:14.They haven't sold the ground it's on.

:17:15. > :17:16.That's the freehold, and they keep that.

:17:17. > :17:22.A couple of years later, the developer is then able

:17:23. > :17:25.to sell the freehold, that's the ground that it's on,

:17:26. > :17:33.It's a way of making money on the same house twice.

:17:34. > :17:40.And here's the other catch - because it's a house and not a flat,

:17:41. > :17:44.the law says that the developer does not have to warn

:17:45. > :17:47.that they are going to do any of this.

:17:48. > :17:49.And this whole business is worth hundreds of millions of pounds

:17:50. > :17:52.This is Ellesmere Port near Liverpool.

:17:53. > :17:54.It's a development like thousands of others across the UK.

:17:55. > :17:57.But the houses here are leasehold, the developers keep the freeholds

:17:58. > :18:00.So the people living here are essentially living

:18:01. > :18:03.on ground which is being sold from underneath their feet

:18:04. > :18:13.I had no idea that my home would be used as an endless income stream

:18:14. > :18:15.for an investor or someone else's pension pot, because

:18:16. > :18:18.Katie Kendrick bought her home from Bellway developers.

:18:19. > :18:25.She was never told her freehold would be sold off.

:18:26. > :18:29.Now she wants to buy it, the price has gone from ?4,000 to ?13,000.

:18:30. > :18:37.I've asked the company for a breakdown of how

:18:38. > :18:39.the freehold is calculated, the methodology to the valuation,

:18:40. > :18:45.to which they have failed to provide me with.

:18:46. > :18:49.They have said that I can either go with it or if I challenge it, then

:18:50. > :18:51.I have to take on their legal fees to do so.

:18:52. > :18:56.They have said I can come back with a counter offer

:18:57. > :18:59.but without all of the information on how they calculate the freehold,

:19:00. > :19:02.how can I make an informed decision on how to counteract their offer?

:19:03. > :19:04.So at the moment, I just feel completely blind,

:19:05. > :19:07.in a corner and I don't know which way to turn next

:19:08. > :19:09.in terms of taking legal action, but you know,

:19:10. > :19:13.It's been sold to this new company for 11 months

:19:14. > :19:16.now and they've made, well, something that was worth ?4,000

:19:17. > :19:20.11 months ago and now they are doing ?13,000,

:19:21. > :19:22.they've made a considerable profit in less than a year, which puts

:19:23. > :19:25.further pressure on me because now I'm thinking if that's how

:19:26. > :19:29.much their investment's gone up within such a short time,

:19:30. > :19:32.you know, I need to move quick on this, otherwise another year,

:19:33. > :19:35.two years, they could sell it on and on and on and we could be

:19:36. > :19:40.We asked Bellway to comment, but they didn't respond.

:19:41. > :19:44.Homeground, the company that acts on behalf of the freeholder,

:19:45. > :19:46.said its investors were UK pension institutions which bought

:19:47. > :19:54.the freeholds as part of their very long-term investment strategy.

:19:55. > :19:56.They said they were usually willing to informally negotiate a price

:19:57. > :19:58.which can often save both time and legal fees.

:19:59. > :20:02.In the rare event we cannot agree, it added, the leaseholder can use

:20:03. > :20:05.Lindsey bought her flat with Taylor Wimpey developers.

:20:06. > :20:10.She was originally quoted ?2,600 for her freehold.

:20:11. > :20:14.Two years later, it had been sold on and the price was ?32,000.

:20:15. > :20:16.She feels too embarrassed to show her face.

:20:17. > :20:21.So you got a letter saying that the freehold was available?

:20:22. > :20:24.But you decided at that time not to buy it?

:20:25. > :20:30.And then later, what did you discover?

:20:31. > :20:34.I rang them and said I'd like to buy it now and they just point blank

:20:35. > :20:39.We've got a private investor who's bought it, so it's not for sale,

:20:40. > :20:41.we've got a long-term interest in your property.

:20:42. > :20:48.So I turned round and said I've got a long-term interest in my property,

:20:49. > :20:50.it's my family home, it's my son's inheritance, it's not

:20:51. > :20:53.yours to just line your pockets every year with and be

:20:54. > :20:56.What's been the impact on you in all this?

:20:57. > :21:01.That I feel like I've let everybody down because it wasn't right

:21:02. > :21:04.But nobody said this is a one-time offer,

:21:05. > :21:17.And it's frustration and anger at the people.

:21:18. > :21:20.but it's not even questionable that it's immoral.

:21:21. > :21:24.I can't afford to negotiate with these people.

:21:25. > :21:26.You're talking hundreds and thousands just to try

:21:27. > :21:31.What these developers are doing isn't illegal.

:21:32. > :21:38.Some of their buyers just don't feel they are very upfront about it.

:21:39. > :21:42.Katie and Lindsey say that when they went to buy their homes,

:21:43. > :21:44.sales representatives didn't make much of an effort to explain

:21:45. > :21:46.to them the difference between leasehold and freehold.

:21:47. > :21:56.In fact, they were told it was as good as buying freehold.

:21:57. > :21:59.So what we thought we'd do is go on the Bellway website, and

:22:00. > :22:02.it's not just Bellway that does this, but we thought we'd go

:22:03. > :22:04.on their website to see what mention they make.

:22:05. > :22:07.And the only thing I can find is this very simple two line

:22:08. > :22:09.distinction between what a freehold and a leasehold is.

:22:10. > :22:12.Nowhere on the website are they saying that they are planning

:22:13. > :22:18.Taylor Wimpey say that as of this year, the vast majority

:22:19. > :22:20.of its new developments will be freehold only.

:22:21. > :22:22.But many other developers still do this.

:22:23. > :22:31.Beth Rudolph is from the Conveyancing Association.

:22:32. > :22:34.You've had a little look at some of the paperwork.

:22:35. > :22:38.here with regard to Katie and Lindsay in their

:22:39. > :22:43.So, when Katie's obviously bought the house, from what it looks

:22:44. > :22:46.like, she's had the right advice from the conveyancer, but it

:22:47. > :22:48.would appear that the conveyancer was unaware of the intentions

:22:49. > :22:54.And you've got to have sympathy for the solicitors and any

:22:55. > :22:58.conveyancer in this position because this is a new phenomenon.

:22:59. > :23:02.It's not something that has happened in the past that developers

:23:03. > :23:05.would routinely be looking to sell on the freehold.

:23:06. > :23:08.She came into the showroom, they sort of said to her,

:23:09. > :23:14.Isn't there an obligation on the part of the developer

:23:15. > :23:16.and also the solicitor, who the developer recommended,

:23:17. > :23:23.Anybody marketing a property is covered by the consumer protection

:23:24. > :23:28.Which means that if there is something that would impact

:23:29. > :23:31.their decision-making process, then they should be advised of that

:23:32. > :23:36.And this is a really important point.

:23:37. > :23:41.The reason being that actually, it's too late at the point they have

:23:42. > :23:43.moved into the house and to find this out,

:23:44. > :23:46.they view the property, before they've thought

:23:47. > :23:49.about where they are going to put their sofa and how the kids

:23:50. > :23:51.are going to get to school and all that.

:23:52. > :23:56.It's not just developers that leaseholders can feel trapped by.

:23:57. > :24:03.Luke bought his flat three years ago for ?150,000.

:24:04. > :24:05.He'd fallen in love with this Victorian building

:24:06. > :24:15.Little did he know he'd also fallen victim to a growing trend

:24:16. > :24:18.for clauses that hike up ground rent, that's the yearly fee

:24:19. > :24:21.a leaseholder pays to live on a freeholder's land.

:24:22. > :24:24.Luke thought he'd pay ?250 a year, which is roughly

:24:25. > :24:34.But six months after he moved, he got a bill for ?8,000 instead.

:24:35. > :24:37.A small but important clause had been written into his contract

:24:38. > :24:39.by his freeholder, potentially designed to be overlooked

:24:40. > :24:42.On the face of it it just seems immoral and completely unethical.

:24:43. > :24:45.And you read the contract as much as you could?

:24:46. > :24:50.I think I read the contract about 50 times.

:24:51. > :24:52.Certainly after I realised, and it didn't matter

:24:53. > :24:55.the one paragraph in which this clause is contained,

:24:56. > :25:02.The tenant shall be required to pay such annual rent as shall be ?1 less

:25:03. > :25:05.than two thirds of the rentable valuable of the premises,

:25:06. > :25:17.He's certainly not the only person to do this, but we've been told

:25:18. > :25:20.about at least 20 similar cases where he's involved and he's

:25:21. > :25:25.or not is not for me to judge, is Martin Paine.

:25:26. > :25:30.Luke's solicitor had to pay Martin Paine ?7,000

:25:31. > :25:43.Luke was left with what is known as a doubling clause,

:25:44. > :25:47.something that's becoming increasingly common in the industry.

:25:48. > :25:50.It states that ground rent is ?250 a year, backdated to 1990.

:25:51. > :25:57.But it also says that that figure will double every ten years.

:25:58. > :25:59.So, by 2020, he would be paying ?2000 a year.

:26:00. > :26:06.By 2070, he'd be paying ?64,000 a year.

:26:07. > :26:09.And by the end of the 190 year lease, there would

:26:10. > :26:18.In total, over the course of the lease, ground rent would have

:26:19. > :26:23.cost more than 1.3 billion on a flat costing just ?150,000.

:26:24. > :26:26.What's your feeling towards Martin Paine now?

:26:27. > :26:29.He's caused me quite a lot of stress.

:26:30. > :26:32.I don't deal with him directly because everything goes

:26:33. > :26:42.But I'm very aware that this clause was inserted into the contract

:26:43. > :26:45.when they extended the lease for no other reason than his

:26:46. > :26:48.There would be no reason he needs to do this.

:26:49. > :26:50.Look at the wording of the clause, it is clearly

:26:51. > :26:58.What we say to all the members of the Conveyancing

:26:59. > :27:04.sure that if you are advising a client on these

:27:05. > :27:07.be so tricky, that you run the calculation and that

:27:08. > :27:10.you are entirely sure as to what that calculation is.

:27:11. > :27:13.Because when you sit down with that and spend some time actually looking

:27:14. > :27:16.at it, it becomes very clear that this is just an attempt

:27:17. > :27:20.to dupe people into a very uncomfortable position.

:27:21. > :27:22.What we've seen in a lot of these leases, contracts,

:27:23. > :27:24.is this doubling clause, doubling of ground rent.

:27:25. > :27:26.Is that something that you see a lot of?

:27:27. > :27:33.And if you think what doubling the rent every ten years actually

:27:34. > :27:35.means in investment terms, it means that the rent will be

:27:36. > :27:46.A guaranteed 7% return is pretty good in this market.

:27:47. > :27:52.So this is what has created these new investment vehicles that

:27:53. > :27:54.are so interesting to, say, pension funds and other

:27:55. > :27:57.People like Luke freely enter into these contracts

:27:58. > :28:04.The allegation isn't that Martin Paine expects

:28:05. > :28:06.people to actually pay these ridiculous sums.

:28:07. > :28:08.It's that he's banking on solicitors to miss the clauses

:28:09. > :28:46.This is the issue millions will recognise -

:28:47. > :28:48.freeholders charging for services and repairs that

:28:49. > :28:56.That's what happened to Scott, from London.

:28:57. > :28:59.He and his neighbours were charged ?700 a year for gardening.

:29:00. > :29:03."Garden" in the broadest possible sense.

:29:04. > :29:13.and I don't think I have ever seen a gardener here yet.

:29:14. > :29:16.And they were charging us over ?700 a year for gardening.

:29:17. > :29:21.They were paying ?11,000 a year to hire a doorbell system.

:29:22. > :29:26.Each flat, it works out at approximately ?170

:29:27. > :29:30.a year, so I was paying ?170 for my little doorbell there that no

:29:31. > :29:32.one ever uses in today's world of mobile phones.

:29:33. > :29:35.They were even paying hundreds of pounds for old light bulbs to be

:29:36. > :29:38.removed, but the council does that for free.

:29:39. > :29:39.So Scott and his neighbours fought back.

:29:40. > :29:42.They used a law to force the freeholder to sell

:29:43. > :29:44.So now they run the block themselves.

:29:45. > :29:53.that we were losing ?40,000 to ?50,000 a year

:29:54. > :29:58.in being overcharged for maintenance items

:29:59. > :30:02.which were questionable at best and maybe not done at worst.

:30:03. > :30:06.We decided that the only way this was going to end and to get these

:30:07. > :30:09.people out of our lives and off our back was to

:30:10. > :30:12.Which I would recommend to any leaseholder out

:30:13. > :30:24.The world changes once you are the freeholder.

:30:25. > :30:26.And that was the best bit of advice we ever got

:30:27. > :30:30.Whether buying from a developer or a private freeholder,

:30:31. > :30:34.leaseholders can find themselves involved in expensive legal battles.

:30:35. > :30:37.It all comes down often to the kind of legal advice they receive.

:30:38. > :30:40.But with more and more leaseholds coming onto the market every year,

:30:41. > :30:50.campaigners say it's more regulation which is really needed.

:30:51. > :30:58.James Lowman reporting. This man in Carshalton says that he found out

:30:59. > :31:01.the lease on their terraced house was sold to a builder, no right of

:31:02. > :31:06.refusal for them, it was a complete surprise. A few years later when our

:31:07. > :31:13.mortgage was complete, we decided to buy the freehold and succeeded,

:31:14. > :31:16.total cost ?16,500. No protection for house owners in England in this

:31:17. > :31:21.respect. Different rules and the rest of the UK do give greater

:31:22. > :31:25.protection, so it is the English leasehold rules which need reform.

:31:26. > :31:29.Your experiences are well come after ten. We will talk to more homeowners

:31:30. > :31:33.finding themselves in stressful situations because of the issues we

:31:34. > :31:36.have raised in the film, and a Conservative MP who wants to make

:31:37. > :31:42.some of what we have reported on today against the law. Barbara

:31:43. > :31:45.e-mails on a totally different subject, she was on holiday in

:31:46. > :31:51.Greece and started feeling very sick. I went to Dr Vicky had a tummy

:31:52. > :31:55.bug, it was only a small island, but amazingly he had a scanner, which is

:31:56. > :32:00.quite something. He announced I was pregnant with twins at the age of

:32:01. > :32:08.36. I had to go back to my weighty husband to tell him I didn't have a

:32:09. > :32:16.tummy bug, I was having twins. -- my waiting husband. He almost fainted.

:32:17. > :32:25.Almost! Here is Rebecca at 34 weeks with twins. Not that big, I think

:32:26. > :32:28.you will agree! Thank you very much. Here are the Lawson family with

:32:29. > :32:39.their newborn twins. Let me find their names. One of the twins is

:32:40. > :32:43.Tatum and one is Tallulah. The mum says we have been very lucky and

:32:44. > :32:49.fortunate through the pregnancy and the only advice I can give is use

:32:50. > :32:57.all the support that is around you. And Gabriella, 12 days before giving

:32:58. > :33:05.birth to twins. Looking very classy! If you don't mind me saying so. Keep

:33:06. > :33:08.those coming in. Still to come, the number of students applying to study

:33:09. > :33:12.nursing a university has dropped by nearly a quarter after grants were

:33:13. > :33:16.axed. We will ask what impact that has on the NHS. And the latest on

:33:17. > :33:18.the lawyer who brought murder and torture claims against British

:33:19. > :33:23.soldiers who could be struck off today. He is accused of drumming up

:33:24. > :33:24.false claims against British military personnel during the Iraq

:33:25. > :33:31.war. MPs have voted overwhelmingly in

:33:32. > :33:40.favour of triggering Brexit. Parliament has approved

:33:41. > :33:42.the legislation which gives the Prime Minister the power

:33:43. > :33:44.to start negotiations Theresa May will detail her plans

:33:45. > :33:48.for leaving the EU later, MPs will once again debate the bill

:33:49. > :33:53.in parliament next week. A ban on scheduled night flights

:33:54. > :33:55.at Heathrow is being proposed as part of plans to build

:33:56. > :33:56.a third runway there. Ministers will set out

:33:57. > :33:58.proposals for the ?22 billion expansion today -

:33:59. > :34:00.including the regulations which the airport will

:34:01. > :34:04.have to comply with. Opponents and supporters

:34:05. > :34:06.of the plans will be given 16 weeks from today to put

:34:07. > :34:14.forward their views The Church of England have admitted

:34:15. > :34:17.that allegations of physical abuse against a former friend of the

:34:18. > :34:19.Archbishop of Canterbury should have been reported earlier. The

:34:20. > :34:23.Archbishop says that although he worked with the barrister, he was

:34:24. > :34:29.not part of his inner circle of friends. 10,000 fewer people applied

:34:30. > :34:35.to train to become nurses last year compared to 2015. The figures from

:34:36. > :34:40.UCAS show a drop of almost 25%. They also show that overall university

:34:41. > :34:44.applications from UK students fell by 5%. And that is a summary of the

:34:45. > :34:49.latest BBC News. Here's the sport. Thank you very

:34:50. > :34:56.much indeed. It was a mixed night for both

:34:57. > :34:59.Manchester clubs who were in Whilst Manchester City

:35:00. > :35:03.were comfortable 4-0 winners over West Ham

:35:04. > :35:05.with a goal for Kevin De Bruyne to a frustrating goalless draw

:35:06. > :35:11.with Hull that now leaves them Peter Crouch has joined an exclusive

:35:12. > :35:15.club as he scored his 100th last night in a 1-1

:35:16. > :35:19.draw with Everton 15 years after he scored his

:35:20. > :35:21.first top flight goal. And to celebrate, he reprised his

:35:22. > :35:25.signature celebration, the Robot. It's back and looking as good as

:35:26. > :35:30.ever! Rangers were well beaten

:35:31. > :35:32.by Hearts 4-1 last night. Despite defeat, they stay second,

:35:33. > :35:34.but fourth placed Hearts are still some way off third placed

:35:35. > :35:36.Aberdeen. Jamie Walker with the pick

:35:37. > :35:42.of his side's goals. And a sorry enter England as they

:35:43. > :35:46.lost their final Twenty20 International with India by 75 runs

:35:47. > :35:49.in Bangalore, losing eight wickets for just eight runs. It means they

:35:50. > :35:54.have lost the Test series, the one-day series and the T20 series as

:35:55. > :35:59.well, not their greatest end to a tour in India. That's all the sport,

:36:00. > :36:04.more for you later. It's 9:35am. Thank you.

:36:05. > :36:07.Nearly 30 years ago, a young woman called Helen McCourt

:36:08. > :36:12.The local pub landlord, Ian Simms, was convicted

:36:13. > :36:16.But to this day, he's refused to tell anyone

:36:17. > :36:20.Helen's mum Marie wants the law to be changed so that murderers

:36:21. > :36:22.will never be allowed their freedom until they reveal where the bodies

:36:23. > :36:26.Tomorrow, MPs are due to debate Marie's proposals

:36:27. > :36:28.after she gathered a petition with more than 400,000

:36:29. > :36:32.A little while earlier, Marie McCourt told me how

:36:33. > :36:35.out that her daughter's killer could go on parole.

:36:36. > :36:45.Last year, Victoria, when I realised he was being put in an open prison,

:36:46. > :36:51.I asked for a retesting of the DNA. That DNA was tested by Merseyside

:36:52. > :36:58.Police, and it has now come out that it is 1.1 billion that he is Helen's

:36:59. > :37:03.killer. The scientists and that will not go above 1.1 billion because

:37:04. > :37:09.they say he is the killer and that is the end of it. So if he refuses

:37:10. > :37:13.to reveal where his victim is, what he is doing, Victoria, and what

:37:14. > :37:18.these kind of killers are doing, is they are keeping hold of their

:37:19. > :37:25.victim like a prize. They have taken our loved one loop is lives, and the

:37:26. > :37:28.law is letting them sitting prison and look forward to a day of

:37:29. > :37:36.release. What impact does that have on you, Marie? It leaves me in hell.

:37:37. > :37:41.I would rather be in the prison and looking forward to parole then being

:37:42. > :37:46.a mum not knowing where my daughter's remains are. Not being

:37:47. > :37:53.able to give her that last respect of a proper funeral, where her

:37:54. > :37:59.friends, family, loved ones and the people in the village can go and

:38:00. > :38:03.place flowers. I know you live in a fairly rural part of the north-west

:38:04. > :38:08.of England. I think you feel that when you are out walking, you are

:38:09. > :38:14.always wondering if Helen's remains are buried beneath where you walk.

:38:15. > :38:21.That is correct. No matter where I go, and it's not just around our

:38:22. > :38:28.village. We have got lots of country areas or around, and I believe that

:38:29. > :38:35.Helen Grant be somewhere fairly close to home, but it could also be

:38:36. > :38:43.within a 50 mile radius, because we know that on the evening that she

:38:44. > :38:47.disappeared, this man spent no time in his home, he was out in his car

:38:48. > :38:52.probably looking for places where he could hide her remains, and her

:38:53. > :39:01.clothing was found over 30 miles away. His clothing was found

:39:02. > :39:10.somewhere else, 28 miles away. So we have a vast area to look at. We

:39:11. > :39:16.don't know whether we have the canal searched, two bodies were found of

:39:17. > :39:20.young men who had committed suicide, that was recovered, Helen's body was

:39:21. > :39:24.not found. If you could talk to Ian Simms, the man who killed your

:39:25. > :39:30.daughter, what would you say to him directly? I have written to him,

:39:31. > :39:35.Victoria, three years into his sentence, and I pleaded with him in

:39:36. > :39:41.the letter, please just let me bury my daughter. You have two young

:39:42. > :39:44.children yourself, let me give her a proper burial, and you won't hear

:39:45. > :39:53.from me again. That's all I want. And he refuses. He sent quite a

:39:54. > :39:58.nasty letter to me saying you and your Christian family, and he

:39:59. > :40:18.believes in a knife and I and two through two is, but he didn't put

:40:19. > :40:27.the last line, but he -- eye for an eye and eight tooth for a tooth. And

:40:28. > :40:28.I think the judges have seen these letters,, and he has been behind

:40:29. > :40:33.bars for 30 years. He's Marie McCourt's MP,

:40:34. > :40:37.and he's been helping her campaign. Samantha Gillingham's mum Carole

:40:38. > :40:39.went missing in 1985. Her husband, Sam's father,

:40:40. > :40:41.was found guilty of Carole's murder, but he's never told anyone

:40:42. > :40:43.where her remains are. Sheila Dolton's son Jonathan

:40:44. > :40:48.disappeared in 2002. His body wasn't found and his killer

:40:49. > :40:51.ended up being released from prison and died,

:40:52. > :41:01.so Jonathan's remains Explain to me why a parole board

:41:02. > :41:06.can't say to a murderer, you aren't going to be released until you tell

:41:07. > :41:10.us where the body is? It can. When Marie came to see me, I thought hers

:41:11. > :41:15.would be an isolated case, but the Home Office tell me that since 2007

:41:16. > :41:19.alone there have been 30 such murders we know remains have been

:41:20. > :41:23.found. I am bringing forward a bill to try to change the law, but I have

:41:24. > :41:26.asked the Government to as the parole board to review its

:41:27. > :41:30.guidelines, and I hope they can come forward with a proposal to ensure

:41:31. > :41:34.that this is the case. But you don't need to change the law. The parole

:41:35. > :41:40.board could make that a condition of release. I think we need to have

:41:41. > :41:44.this on statute. It is an issue of justice and how Parliament treats

:41:45. > :41:47.victims in the country. We have to put victims first, the anguish and

:41:48. > :41:50.torment of Marie and the families of those who have been murdered we know

:41:51. > :41:56.remains have been found is unspeakable beyond words, and if we

:41:57. > :42:03.as MPs in Parliament can't do something about that, then I don't

:42:04. > :42:07.know who can. There are up to 70 families in Marie McCourt's

:42:08. > :42:11.situation. Yours is one. Your mother disappeared from your home in

:42:12. > :42:17.Bournemouth in 1985. It was your dad who was found guilty of killing her.

:42:18. > :42:19.I can't imagine what it is like for you as the daughter knowing that he

:42:20. > :42:25.has the answers to your questions, but he won't tell you. He would say

:42:26. > :42:29.anything, and I think the key thing with regards to this is it is not

:42:30. > :42:35.actually a requirement for somebody who has been convicted of a crime to

:42:36. > :42:39.have to admit to that crime. The parole board have said they cannot

:42:40. > :42:49.actually break it down, but they have said he could be released, and

:42:50. > :42:53.you feel my father's tariff was 15 years from the date of his first

:42:54. > :42:56.conviction, that ended in 2012, and then you start to feel that you are

:42:57. > :43:05.being put under pressure, so my father had his first oral parole

:43:06. > :43:11.hearing in 2014,... Why do you feel under pressure? You are under

:43:12. > :43:16.pressure because in the past five years, he has been DCAL categorised

:43:17. > :43:22.from a category B prison to a category C. They inform you of that

:43:23. > :43:26.decision. You can ask for that not to happen, because then you are on

:43:27. > :43:31.the long slippery slope, and from my point of view and from the other

:43:32. > :43:34.families' as well, you feel that you are having to try and do everything

:43:35. > :43:42.to say to people that just because that tariff has been met, please do

:43:43. > :43:46.not think that justice has been achieved. The conviction on itself

:43:47. > :43:50.is not enough. And if I could add as well, we had that first oral parole

:43:51. > :43:56.hearing in August 2014, and within six months, they told us we were

:43:57. > :44:01.having a paper hearing, and we would not be told of that decision until

:44:02. > :44:07.September 20 15. I don't think they quite appreciate the stress that it

:44:08. > :44:12.put asunder. Let me bring in as Sheila Dalton, thank you for talking

:44:13. > :44:18.to us. Your son's Kello took the information of where his body was

:44:19. > :44:22.left to his grave, and Helen is law would have invented that from

:44:23. > :44:28.happening, would it? I believe it would, yes. Mr Martin only got a

:44:29. > :44:34.very short sentence anyway. We had always thought seven and a half

:44:35. > :44:39.years was not long enough. But we were very angry when, after only

:44:40. > :44:42.four years, he had applied to go to open prison, and we were told that

:44:43. > :44:50.we probably wouldn't be able to prevent it. That sent a flurry of

:44:51. > :44:53.letters off to try and re-establish the fact that we hadn't got the

:44:54. > :44:59.body, had they realised we still hadn't got the body, and we still

:45:00. > :45:03.want it. So it was a question after them for quite a few letters to just

:45:04. > :45:11.try to keep him in, which is what we felt. It made us feel quite bad, and

:45:12. > :45:14.even guilty, that we should even be contemplating this thought in the

:45:15. > :45:28.first place, but that's what we felt. And you spend time looking for

:45:29. > :45:31.your son? Yes. We still do. And I think most people will

:45:32. > :45:34.absolutely understand why that is so important to you, but can you just

:45:35. > :45:40.spell it out for us. Give us an insight into what that is like. The

:45:41. > :45:45.fact that you still feel the need to do it?

:45:46. > :45:56.Because if we don't, no one else will. And the whole situation will

:45:57. > :46:02.be unresolved. It is as simple as that. It is an unresolved issue

:46:03. > :46:07.which is unacceptable. You cannot be on your deathbed not having tried

:46:08. > :46:14.everything you possibly could to find it. Is anybody high up at the

:46:15. > :46:18.Home Office listening to you in terms of typing this up, changing

:46:19. > :46:22.the rules, changing the law? This is not a party political issue. It has

:46:23. > :46:27.support from right across the House of Commons. It would appear to be a

:46:28. > :46:32.no-brainer issue. It had an unopposed first reading, it is

:46:33. > :46:35.having a second reading tomorrow, the indications are positive and I

:46:36. > :46:41.hope that in the coming weeks and months we can change the law. I

:46:42. > :46:45.think the dignity, the tenacity of Sam, Sheila, Marie and her family,

:46:46. > :46:49.should serve as an inspiration for MPs to get behind this and make

:46:50. > :46:51.things happen, and I hope we can do it. Thank you all very much, very

:46:52. > :46:58.grateful for your time. A human rights lawyer who brought

:46:59. > :47:00.murder and torture claims against British soldiers faces

:47:01. > :47:03.being struck off today after Phil Shiner has not been present

:47:04. > :47:06.at his disciplinary tribunal on grounds of ill health,

:47:07. > :47:08.but has admitted several counts of acting without integrity

:47:09. > :47:11.and of making use of a middleman to drum up business in Iraq -

:47:12. > :47:14.a practice that is banned. Although he denies charges

:47:15. > :47:18.of acting dishonestly, or of misleading the courts, Mr

:47:19. > :47:22.Shiner has acknowledged that in all likelihood, he will no longer

:47:23. > :47:25.be allowed to practise law. You might remember

:47:26. > :47:29.that this programme has been following the story

:47:30. > :47:31.UK soldiers accused of historic abuses in Iraq - many

:47:32. > :47:48.A couple of gentlemen came to my room and they said my name.

:47:49. > :47:50.And they said, I am arresting you on suspicion

:47:51. > :47:58.We were accused of allowing him to drown to death.

:47:59. > :48:03.And the other three people who were there, the other three

:48:04. > :48:06.Iraqis accused us of beating them up and bricking them and, you know,

:48:07. > :48:14.Over the last decade, hundreds of British troops have

:48:15. > :48:16.faced accusations of abuse against civilians alleged to have

:48:17. > :48:23.Many of these allegations have been of the most serious kind,

:48:24. > :48:29.In recent months, this programme has reported

:48:30. > :48:33.on the experiences of soldiers facing these allegations.

:48:34. > :48:39.They interrogated me for hours and hours.

:48:40. > :48:42.When I came home, I thought, this can't be real.

:48:43. > :48:48.There's no way this has happened to me.

:48:49. > :48:51.The untold cruelties of this process have destroyed my life.

:48:52. > :49:05.It's broken me, and the army just do not seem to care.

:49:06. > :49:08.The place I went to that time was worse than any

:49:09. > :49:11.A large number of these allegations of wrongdoing

:49:12. > :49:14.were brought forward by one man, Phil Shiner of Public Interest

:49:15. > :49:16.Lawyers, who used millions of pounds of public money

:49:17. > :49:20.How many Iraqis did we actually kill in UK military facilities?

:49:21. > :49:23.Shiner came to public attention as the lawyer

:49:24. > :49:26.for the family of Baha Moussa, an Iraqi civilian who was beaten

:49:27. > :49:33.Since then, his law firm, Public Interest Lawyers,

:49:34. > :49:37.has brought forward more than 2,000 cases, including the allegations

:49:38. > :49:41.at the centre of the Al-Sweady inquiry, which claimed that British

:49:42. > :49:48.soldiers had mutilated and tortured Iraqi detainees after the battle

:49:49. > :49:51.of Danny Boy in southern Iraq in May 2004.

:49:52. > :49:53.I don't know whether people were killed, but something went wrong.

:49:54. > :49:56.And we hope the inquiry will find out what went wrong.

:49:57. > :50:00.He also brought cases to the attention of the Iraq

:50:01. > :50:08.But in 2014, the Al-Sweady inquiry ruled that the allegations

:50:09. > :50:10.were based on deliberate lies by witnesses.

:50:11. > :50:13.All the most serious allegations made against British soldiers have

:50:14. > :50:16.been found to be wholly without foundation and entirely

:50:17. > :50:21.the product of deliberate lies, reckless speculation

:50:22. > :50:33.And of the thousands of cases brought before Ihat, not

:50:34. > :50:37.Phil Shiner's firm closed down in August last year

:50:38. > :50:41.after being stripped of legal aid funding.

:50:42. > :50:46.And Shiner has now admitted to serious misconduct including

:50:47. > :50:49.paying a middleman in Iraq to find civilians who may want to pursue

:50:50. > :50:52.complaints against British soldiers, but he denies other allegations

:50:53. > :50:56.including acting dishonestly and misleading the courts.

:50:57. > :50:58.Responding to Phil Shiner's admissions, one of the accused men

:50:59. > :51:10.that we have spoken to previously told this programme that:

:51:11. > :51:16.Phil Shiner has been the driving character behind this De Lima

:51:17. > :51:18.biddies witchhunts. He has deliberately ruined the lives and

:51:19. > :51:27.careers of soldiers for his own greed. The military need to accept

:51:28. > :51:28.their role and allowing him to do this.

:51:29. > :51:30.In a ruling expected later today, Phil Shiner faces being struck off

:51:31. > :51:32.faces being struck off by the solicitors'

:51:33. > :51:36.This programme has made sustained efforts to contact Phil Shiner

:51:37. > :51:38.for comment on this case, but he has not responded.

:51:39. > :51:40.In Plymouth is the Conservative MP Johnny Mercer,

:51:41. > :51:43.who made a film for us on this issue last year.

:51:44. > :51:52.who represents a large number of soldiers accused of wrongdoing.

:51:53. > :52:01.This is an extraordinary case. What is Phil Shiner accused of doing? It

:52:02. > :52:05.is unique. In the legal profession, we obviously have standards we have

:52:06. > :52:10.to abide by an ethics as well. And the bar is set very high stock and

:52:11. > :52:17.it is high for a reason, so the public have confidence in the legal

:52:18. > :52:24.profession. He seems to have run completely over any regulations and

:52:25. > :52:28.not abided by them. Without a doubt, he has looked at an end result and

:52:29. > :52:33.pre-empted that without proper evidence. I have acted for the Armed

:52:34. > :52:36.Forces for over 25 years. I have covered situations from Northern

:52:37. > :52:40.Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Gulf War one. I have no evidence

:52:41. > :52:45.that the military acted in an improper way. They are absolutely

:52:46. > :52:51.courageous clients. So for him to pre-empt the terrible war crimes and

:52:52. > :52:54.use evidence that has been proved to be fraudulent is in my view a

:52:55. > :52:59.national disgrace. It should not have been allowed to go on as long

:53:00. > :53:03.as it has. Not only that, the MoD need to look to themselves, because

:53:04. > :53:09.they actively paid Phil Shiner to bring evidence to the Iraqi

:53:10. > :53:12.historical abuse cases. With taxpayers' money. Taxpayers' money.

:53:13. > :53:16.We have been calling for a framework of support for those who were

:53:17. > :53:22.accused, and have the MoD put their resources into supporting those

:53:23. > :53:27.people. Many of these cases would have been found out far earlier.

:53:28. > :53:32.Johnny, you have campaigned on this for a long time. Today's judgment is

:53:33. > :53:37.going to be significant. It will be, but it is just the start. This is a

:53:38. > :53:43.huge process that has gone spectacularly wrong and it has

:53:44. > :53:49.ruined some of our best people. Phil Shiner is just one of a few. I will

:53:50. > :53:56.continue to pursue him and his type in the same manner that he pursued

:53:57. > :54:03.these individuals over a number of years. Are the MoD partly culpable?

:54:04. > :54:11.They helped pay Phil Shiner to collect evidence. I think they are,

:54:12. > :54:15.yes. There is no doubt that Phil Shiner abused the process, but that

:54:16. > :54:20.opportunity was afforded to him by the Ministry of Defence. And this

:54:21. > :54:24.process just went on for so long. When I took this up a year ago, we

:54:25. > :54:29.have seen real change over the last year. But the processes that have

:54:30. > :54:35.gone on before then are just appalling. I am surprised with the

:54:36. > :54:43.oversight and some of the decisions that were made within the MoD,

:54:44. > :54:46.particularly by civil servants, who seemed to not understand the bonds

:54:47. > :54:49.that require people to fight. You can't ask people to snitch on their

:54:50. > :54:57.mates. You can't conduct surveillance. You can't build a case

:54:58. > :55:04.that is not there. We should have been more robust against this from

:55:05. > :55:07.the start. Hilary Meridith, if Phil Shiner is struck off today, what

:55:08. > :55:10.will be the indication for the soldiers you represent who are

:55:11. > :55:17.accused of abuses? We don't know what will happen to the cases. There

:55:18. > :55:21.is no plan in place at the moment. If Mr Shiner is struck off, as I

:55:22. > :55:25.suspect he will be, he may go on to face criminal cases as well, because

:55:26. > :55:30.without a doubt, some of the activities he was involved in were

:55:31. > :55:36.fraudulent. Will Ihat be disbanded? I think the credibility of Ihat is

:55:37. > :55:38.now shot to pieces, so I think it should be disbanded. Bear in mind

:55:39. > :55:47.there have been no prosecutions either. You claim there is no doubt

:55:48. > :55:49.that Phil Shiner has been fraudulent. If there is to be a

:55:50. > :55:54.criminal investigation, that would be for them to search for the

:55:55. > :56:00.evidence for that. Donny, there are still cases pending. If I put you to

:56:01. > :56:07.give me a yes or no answer, are you expecting the MoD to effectively

:56:08. > :56:12.scrap all the cases against British military personnel when it comes to

:56:13. > :56:16.alleged abuses in Iraq was back no, because I am clear in my mind that

:56:17. > :56:22.the British Army, like any organisation, has its challenges. No

:56:23. > :56:26.doubt there were isolated cases of malpractice, and we absolutely have

:56:27. > :56:30.to root them out, otherwise how can we go around as a professional army

:56:31. > :56:35.upholding the rule of law with individuals like that within our

:56:36. > :56:38.midst? But this is the unique failing point of this organisation,

:56:39. > :56:43.that it has even failed to prosecute them, while ruining all these lives.

:56:44. > :56:48.There is a case for looking at the cases that this individual has

:56:49. > :56:54.brought and whether or not we can strike them out. Is that evidence

:56:55. > :57:01.tainted if we pay for it? But that is for the courts rather than the

:57:02. > :57:05.MoD. The MoD needs to make sure we support the people going through

:57:06. > :57:12.this process. Thank you very much, Johnny Mercer and Hilary Meridith.

:57:13. > :57:14.On Monday, we're holding a special programme looking

:57:15. > :57:18.We'll be looking at the problems it's facing and asking

:57:19. > :57:23.If you work in the NHS - a doctor, a nurse or a consultant -

:57:24. > :57:25.or you're a patient with recent experience, we'd love you to take

:57:26. > :57:35.E-mail victoria@bbc.co.uk to register your interest and one

:57:36. > :57:48.It is going to be windy over the next few days. It is windy already

:57:49. > :57:52.in Devon, where we have gusts of 55 mph, and there will be rain at

:57:53. > :57:56.times. The strongest winds through the English Channel and the Irish

:57:57. > :58:01.Sea. Close to the coast generally, we are looking at gusts to gale

:58:02. > :58:05.force. They will whip up some large waves as well. A lot of cloud

:58:06. > :58:10.around, with bands of rain moving across us at times. But there will

:58:11. > :58:14.be blackness in between. After a mild start to the day, the forecast

:58:15. > :58:19.is for a mild day. But if you are in the wind and rain, it is not going

:58:20. > :58:24.to feel special. Overnight, we carry on with the breeze and showers. We

:58:25. > :58:30.shouldn't have a problem with frost or fog. Tomorrow, we have this area

:58:31. > :58:33.of low pressure. It is not a named storm, just an area of low pressure.

:58:34. > :58:37.If you look at the spacing between the isobars, that squeeze tells you

:58:38. > :58:41.where the strongest winds will be. It looks like through the Bay of

:58:42. > :58:50.Biscay and France. Having said that, across southern counties, we are

:58:51. > :58:53.going to have quite a bit of wind. Tomorrow, the rain moves up from the

:58:54. > :58:57.south-west, drifting north eastwards. Ahead of that, a lot of

:58:58. > :59:06.dry and bright weather, but the cloud is building ahead of the rain.

:59:07. > :59:09.Now let's focus on the wind. It is going to be very windy tomorrow,

:59:10. > :59:13.with gusts up to 70 miles an hour across the Channel Islands and

:59:14. > :59:17.exposed parts like the Isle of Wight, where we could have gusts in

:59:18. > :59:21.the Needles of 70 miles an hour. Along southern coastal counties, the

:59:22. > :59:28.gusts are more likely to be 60 miles an hour. Inland in the south-east,

:59:29. > :59:33.we are looking at gusts of 50 miles an hour. Those gusts can cause some

:59:34. > :59:40.damage. We could have small branches of trees, for example, or tiles

:59:41. > :59:43.being moved and that kind of thing. Overnight, the rain migrates

:59:44. > :59:47.northwards. Some of it will be heavy. We see a lot of rain across

:59:48. > :59:56.Northern Ireland overnight. There might be issues with surface level

:59:57. > :00:02.flooding. Down to about 200 metres County Antrim and down, we will see

:00:03. > :00:05.some snow. On Saturday, the area of low pressure moves northwards. Then

:00:06. > :00:07.another one takes a swipe at Southern England, but in between,

:00:08. > :00:13.something drier and brighter. Hello, it's 10 o'clock,

:00:14. > :00:17.I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Later this morning,

:00:18. > :00:19.we'll get details of the Government's Brexit plan -

:00:20. > :00:21.as MPs back Theresa May's right to start divorce

:00:22. > :00:23.proceedings with the EU. 47 Labour MPs defy Jeremy Corbyn

:00:24. > :00:31.by voting against it. So, can anything stop the Brexit

:00:32. > :00:34.bandwagon? Labour say they would block it as questions mount over the

:00:35. > :00:45.position of Diane Abbott who wasn't in the Commons for the crunch vote,

:00:46. > :00:48.tobacco leader. -- to back her leader.

:00:49. > :00:50.Also this morning, the new property trap.

:00:51. > :00:52.How leaseholders are being legally ripped off and often paying

:00:53. > :00:53.out thousands of pounds in unfair charges.

:00:54. > :00:59.We can't buy it, and we can't sell. I don't know what we will do. It is

:01:00. > :01:05.the biggest mistake I have ever made. It seems immoral and

:01:06. > :01:07.completely unethical. This is an attempt to dupe people into a very

:01:08. > :01:10.uncomfortable position. On the Sick List, students turn

:01:11. > :01:13.their backs on nursing as a career, the numbers applying for courses

:01:14. > :01:16.at university has plummeted by 25% after study grants were axed; we'll

:01:17. > :01:17.take the profession's temperature. We will bring you the story in the

:01:18. > :01:24.next hour. Time for the latest news with Ben.

:01:25. > :01:29.Thanks, Victoria. MPs have voted overwhelmingly

:01:30. > :01:32.in favour of triggering Brexit. Parliament has approved

:01:33. > :01:35.the legislation which gives the Prime Minister the power

:01:36. > :01:40.to start negotiations Theresa May will detail her plans

:01:41. > :01:46.for leaving the EU today, A ban on scheduled night flights

:01:47. > :01:50.at Heathrow is being proposed, as part of plans to build

:01:51. > :01:52.a third runway there. Ministers will set out proposals

:01:53. > :01:54.for the ?22 billion expansion today. Opponents and supporters have four

:01:55. > :01:57.months to put forward their views The Church of England has admitted

:01:58. > :02:03.that allegations of historical physical abuse against a former

:02:04. > :02:05.friend of the Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, should

:02:06. > :02:10.have been reported years earlier. The Archbishop says that

:02:11. > :02:14.although he worked at a camp where it's alleged the barrister,

:02:15. > :02:16.John Smythe, physically abused boys in the 1970s he was unaware

:02:17. > :02:19.of the claims at the time. 10,000 fewer people applied to train

:02:20. > :02:22.to become nurses last year The figures from the university

:02:23. > :02:25.admissions service UCAS show They also show that overall

:02:26. > :02:29.university applications from UK An investigation for this

:02:30. > :02:41.programme has found that some homeowners who thought they'd

:02:42. > :02:43.bought their homes outright are actually caught

:02:44. > :02:49.in complicated leaseholder deals. Some even discovered

:02:50. > :02:51.the ground their property is built on is being sold for profit

:02:52. > :02:54.without their knowledge. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:02:55. > :03:06.News, more at 10.30. Thank you for your pictures. Some of

:03:07. > :03:13.you like the fact that I am asking you to do this, and one or two

:03:14. > :03:17.really hate it. It is a homage to Beyonce and her amazing picture of

:03:18. > :03:28.being pregnant with twins, wearing a veil, in her underwear, as you do!

:03:29. > :03:36.Here we have Bernadette with her twin sister in 1959. Absolutely

:03:37. > :03:42.delicious. We have twins Thomas and Rob at nine years old. So this has

:03:43. > :03:51.morphed into great pictures of your twins. This is Anthony as a kid with

:03:52. > :03:58.his twin brother, the next one. And Anthony with his twin grown-up!

:03:59. > :04:00.Thank you for those, thank you very much.

:04:01. > :04:07.You have made a middle-aged woman very happy! If you want to get in

:04:08. > :04:15.touch, use the hashtag Victoria Line Tube. An amazing picture of Leal, it

:04:16. > :04:16.is like Beyonce, and I will show you that in the next half an hour.

:04:17. > :04:26.Here's the sport with John. It was a mixed night for the

:04:27. > :04:30.Manchester clubs last night. Manchester City are still some way

:04:31. > :04:34.of lead leaders Chelsea after 44-0 win over West Ham. It is hard to see

:04:35. > :04:40.how they are fifth when they play like this. Kevin de Bruyne with the

:04:41. > :04:43.opening goal, and Gabriel Jesus with his opening for the club.

:04:44. > :04:47.Comfortable in the end, but city remain ten points off lead leaders

:04:48. > :04:51.Chelsea. It was a frustrated evening for Manchester United who drew 0-0

:04:52. > :04:54.with Hull, Jose Mourinho complaining after this match that referees apply

:04:55. > :04:58.different rules to him than other managers. He said that while

:04:59. > :05:02.Liverpool's Jurgen Klopp was, lamented for his passion on the

:05:03. > :05:05.sidelines, Jose Mourinho was told he would be sent to the stands if you

:05:06. > :05:08.showed similar levels of emotion, and you could see his irritation in

:05:09. > :05:12.his post match interview afterwards, which he walked out of.

:05:13. > :05:17.What is your overall impression of tonight's performance? We didn't

:05:18. > :05:21.score. If you don't score, it isn't possible to win. Their goalkeeper

:05:22. > :05:24.was in marvellous form when you did get through. He was. What in

:05:25. > :05:28.particular did you feel that the referee should have pulled the book

:05:29. > :05:32.on? If you don't know football, you shouldn't have the microphone in

:05:33. > :05:37.your hand. Not a happy bunny at all! It was a

:05:38. > :05:41.special night the Peter Crouch last night, he scored his 100th Premier

:05:42. > :05:46.League goal in his side's 1-1 draw with Everton last night. It was an

:05:47. > :05:50.impressive performance as well from him, and having joined a select

:05:51. > :05:54.group of players, only 26 have made it to 100 Premier League goals, he

:05:55. > :06:00.reprised his signature celebration, the Robot is back! He produced it

:06:01. > :06:02.before the 2006 World Cup, and having achieved that landmark last

:06:03. > :06:08.night, it was back again and looking good as well.

:06:09. > :06:11.How much have you been practising the Robot in anticipation of the big

:06:12. > :06:20.moment? Not enough, by the looks of it! It was a little bit stiff. It

:06:21. > :06:27.has been over ten years, I did do it everyday, but bit of nostalgia, I

:06:28. > :06:35.pulled it out. I was pleased to get a milestone. He was looking pretty

:06:36. > :06:40.good! Chelsea remain 25 points clear at the top of the premiership --

:06:41. > :06:43.Celtic remain 25 points clear at the top of the Scottish Premiership.

:06:44. > :06:47.Fourth placed hearts are still some way or third placed Aberdeen, Jamie

:06:48. > :06:51.Walker with the pick of his side's goals in a cup double win.

:06:52. > :06:55.And rugby union news, England head coach Eddie Jones has announced his

:06:56. > :06:59.starting 15 to face France in their opening match of the six Nations

:07:00. > :07:05.this weekend. England are chasing a record 15th win in a row, and will

:07:06. > :07:09.see Marietta Roget start in the back row in the absence of Chris Robshaw.

:07:10. > :07:13.Elliot Daly stars instead of Jack Nowell on the wing. The big weekend

:07:14. > :07:17.to comfort Eddie Jones and his side. And that is all the sport but now,

:07:18. > :07:19.more a little later. Thank you, John. Good morning, it is

:07:20. > :07:23.seven minutes past ten. Are you one of those who's

:07:24. > :07:25.bought your own home, but then it starts to become

:07:26. > :07:27.a nightmare?Thousands of families who've bought leasehold properties

:07:28. > :07:30.in England and Wales are discovering the homes they bought

:07:31. > :07:35.are not all they seemed. Leasehold means you own the property

:07:36. > :07:38.for the length of the lease agreement, it then reverts

:07:39. > :07:43.to the freeholder. Freeholders own the property

:07:44. > :07:45.outright, including From spiralling bills to five figure

:07:46. > :07:49.sums to buy their freehold, many leaseholders say they feel

:07:50. > :07:53.powerless and exploited. The Government says it's

:07:54. > :07:55.about to announce radical proposals We played you James Longman's

:07:56. > :07:59.full film earlier, Thousands of homeowners are having

:08:00. > :08:07.the ground beneath them sold off To ease the housing crisis,

:08:08. > :08:19.new homes are going up The new trend is for developers

:08:20. > :08:28.to sell freeholds to A developer builds

:08:29. > :08:37.a house, here it is. It sells that house

:08:38. > :08:38.to Mr and Mrs Smith. But what it sold is

:08:39. > :08:43.the lease to that house. A couple of years later,

:08:44. > :08:47.the developer is then able to sell the freehold,

:08:48. > :08:49.the ground that it's on, It's a way of making money

:08:50. > :08:55.on the same house twice. And this whole business is worth

:08:56. > :08:58.hundreds of millions of pounds every I had no idea that my home would be

:08:59. > :09:03.used as an endless income Katie Kendrick bought her home

:09:04. > :09:08.from Bellway developers. She was never told her

:09:09. > :09:13.freehold would be sold off. Now she wants to buy it, the price

:09:14. > :09:16.has gone from ?4,000 to ?13,000. It just doesn't seem

:09:17. > :09:25.ethically right to me at all. You know, I'm not a cashpoint

:09:26. > :09:28.for somebody else and I never realised that I could be

:09:29. > :09:30.used as such. What Bellway are doing

:09:31. > :09:32.is not illegal. Some buyers feel they weren't

:09:33. > :09:37.clear about their plans. We asked them to comment

:09:38. > :09:40.but they did not respond. Homeground, the company that acts

:09:41. > :09:43.on behalf of the freeholder said its investors were UK pension

:09:44. > :09:49.institutions which bought the freeholds as part of their very

:09:50. > :09:52.long-term investment strategy. They said they were usually willing

:09:53. > :09:54.to informally negotiate a price which can often save both time

:09:55. > :09:56.and legal fees. Beth Rudolph is from

:09:57. > :10:00.the Conveyancing Association. We asked her to look through some

:10:01. > :10:05.of Katie's paperwork. So, when Katie's obviously bought

:10:06. > :10:10.the house from what it looks like she's had the right advice

:10:11. > :10:13.from the conveyancer, but it would appear that the conveyancer

:10:14. > :10:15.was unaware of the intentions Anybody marketing property is

:10:16. > :10:22.covered by the consumer protection Which means that if there

:10:23. > :10:29.is something that would impact their decision-making process then

:10:30. > :10:31.they should be advised of that I feel guilty for my family that

:10:32. > :10:37.I've made that wrong decision. It may not impact on me

:10:38. > :10:41.in my lifetime but you buy your home to give your children

:10:42. > :10:43.something, you know. It's a massive burden

:10:44. > :10:50.to leave for your children. For Katie, this is a property trap

:10:51. > :10:52.from which she still doesn't We can now speak to Louise O'Riordan

:10:53. > :11:02.who recently bought a new build house as a leasehold

:11:03. > :11:04.property in Bedfordshire. Piers Gibbon, leaseholder

:11:05. > :11:08.from East London. Sir Peter Bottomley,

:11:09. > :11:12.a Conservative MP. Rico Wojtulewicz is from

:11:13. > :11:15.the House Builders' Association. And Daniel O'Doherty is a solicitor

:11:16. > :11:38.who can help us make sense of some Some solicitors and conveyancers

:11:39. > :11:43.don't come. Louise, did you know you were buying a leasehold property? We

:11:44. > :11:48.did know that it was going to be leasehold, but we didn't know what

:11:49. > :11:52.that meant. We were told by the sales people that the land was owned

:11:53. > :11:56.by the local college, and therefore that it was safe land, that it

:11:57. > :12:00.wouldn't be sold on, that was the implication, that wasn't actually

:12:01. > :12:07.what they said. But I just found out at the weekend that they own the

:12:08. > :12:14.land, the developer. But it is a 499 year lease. It is, so hopefully I

:12:15. > :12:19.won't be affected by any downfalls, but I am powerful over the amount of

:12:20. > :12:24.rent and how often they increase it and by how much. What is the grand

:12:25. > :12:29.rent at the moment? At the moment, ?200 a year. It does increase with

:12:30. > :12:34.RPI, but I don't know how often, that isn't clear in the contract. If

:12:35. > :12:42.it wasn't clear, did you ask? Did the solicitor asked, did anybody

:12:43. > :12:45.ask? No, we were first-time buyers, and we were relying on the solicitor

:12:46. > :12:50.to point out anything that we should have been aware of. And nothing was

:12:51. > :12:53.flagged, nothing at all. We thought we had nothing to worry about, and

:12:54. > :12:58.at the moment, we are worried that this issue is emerging, we are just

:12:59. > :13:02.finding out about our situation now, so we don't know the full details

:13:03. > :13:07.yet of how negatively we might be affected, or positively. But we

:13:08. > :13:12.could end up with a house we can't sell on, we could end up with

:13:13. > :13:15.negative equity if we want to buy the freehold, it might be way too

:13:16. > :13:21.expensive for us and put us in negative equity. There are so many

:13:22. > :13:25.unknowns. It is stressful. And it shouldn't be. Everyone is a

:13:26. > :13:28.first-time buyer wants, and they are normally dealing with developers who

:13:29. > :13:32.are in this business in the long term, and I say to them, what is

:13:33. > :13:35.your reputation, and what is your bank balance? And that is what they

:13:36. > :13:41.are doing, watching their bank balance. On the 27th of April, two

:13:42. > :13:47.major developers had their AGMs, Taylor Wimpey and persimmon, and if

:13:48. > :13:50.they are still trying to defend the scandals, their shareholders will

:13:51. > :13:55.revolt. Why do you say it is a scandal? Let's take the habit of

:13:56. > :13:59.selling houses is leasehold when there is no reason to. If they own

:14:00. > :14:06.the land, no has should be sold as leasehold. Number two, no house or

:14:07. > :14:09.flat should be sold with grand rent from a reasonably high level

:14:10. > :14:14.doubling every ten years. That is an increase of 7% per year. Some

:14:15. > :14:18.solicitors don't realise compound interest, but they ought to, and if

:14:19. > :14:24.I bought a house as a first-time buyer and wanted to sell it after

:14:25. > :14:27.seven years to move somewhere else, and the solicitors for the incoming

:14:28. > :14:33.purchaser said, don't do this, you will find that your ?200,000 house

:14:34. > :14:40.is only worth ?100,000 because of these owner is ground rents. And one

:14:41. > :14:48.last point, the grand rent doesn't buy anything, so we know people who

:14:49. > :14:54.charge a peppercorn. One of the companies we spoke to says that by

:14:55. > :14:58.doing it this way, it raises up to ?500 million a year in capital for

:14:59. > :15:07.developers to build badly needed homes. That is complete rubbish. It

:15:08. > :15:11.is just making a cash machine. And you are laughing, Pieres, why? It is

:15:12. > :15:15.hilarious. It doesn't buy you anything, it is rent for nothing,

:15:16. > :15:19.classic wealth seeking behaviour by wealthy property developers. They

:15:20. > :15:23.take money off me for nothing, they graciously allow me to breathe the

:15:24. > :15:27.air inside my flat, but not much else. But you chose to buy it? I

:15:28. > :15:30.did, I went in with my eyes wide open because my girlfriend and I

:15:31. > :15:33.looked at the London market and realise that if you want to buy in

:15:34. > :15:37.London, often those are the only ones on the market, so you have to

:15:38. > :15:41.buy a leasehold. We accept that there are some drawbacks to that,

:15:42. > :15:48.but when you get into them and you realise, this is legalised scandal,

:15:49. > :15:52.a ridiculous rip-off. So in what way have you been ripped off?

:15:53. > :16:04.We are charged by the freeholder for ground rent of ?250 a year.

:16:05. > :16:09.The freeholder is allowed to employ their choice of insurance company to

:16:10. > :16:12.ensure the property. It is only when you do the most basic internet

:16:13. > :16:16.search that you realise that the same names are appearing on the

:16:17. > :16:19.boards of directors. They don't tell you, you have to do the work

:16:20. > :16:22.yourself. I can have become an unwitting expert in something I

:16:23. > :16:27.never cared about until I found out I was a victim of a rip-off. The

:16:28. > :16:31.management company has the same people involved in different

:16:32. > :16:35.businesses, all charging a little bit extra every year for what they

:16:36. > :16:39.then don't do. The without naming names of companies, because we need

:16:40. > :16:45.to get a right of reply from dozens, you say that by working together in

:16:46. > :16:50.the way they are, they are making even more money. Yes. We are 250

:16:51. > :16:54.flats in three buildings in a nice gated community and we love it. But

:16:55. > :17:02.when you look at the total amount leaving our little village, ?1.25

:17:03. > :17:06.million is leaving our block and going off somewhere in Uxbridge to a

:17:07. > :17:10.couple of PLCs. So we look at our block and we see things falling down

:17:11. > :17:14.and not mended and we are thinking, for ?1.25 million a year, where is

:17:15. > :17:21.my Jacuzzi? Where is my valet parking? We also don't know what

:17:22. > :17:26.commissions they are taking on the insurance. Oh, yes. When I rang the

:17:27. > :17:30.insurance company, I said something like, it looks like you are taking a

:17:31. > :17:34.backhander. And he said, you have to be careful with such accusations. We

:17:35. > :17:39.are independently regulated. I said, sorry, that was rude of me. It was

:17:40. > :17:42.only later that I found out that they shared directors with the

:17:43. > :17:48.manager and the freeholder. So it looks like a backhander. You

:17:49. > :17:51.represent householders from small businesses to the multi-million

:17:52. > :17:56.pound developers. You are not coming out well in this. Well, we represent

:17:57. > :18:01.small and medium enterprises. Some of them will build up to 250 homes a

:18:02. > :18:06.year, but it is not a model we are used to and it is not a model that

:18:07. > :18:10.businesses put forward, and the reason is reputation. And not just

:18:11. > :18:13.reputation for making sure your business is well received, it is

:18:14. > :18:20.make sure you get repeat business in the future. Many people come to our

:18:21. > :18:28.developers and say, we want your hands on these sites. If -- this

:18:29. > :18:30.isn't a new trend, it is just the volume of developers building new

:18:31. > :18:37.homes, so it is coming to light. That is the real problem for us. We

:18:38. > :18:41.have discussed regulation. We always believe in good regulation. If

:18:42. > :18:44.measures have to come by up, then they have to come about, but

:18:45. > :18:51.overregulation is a problem for our sector. So just be clear what it is

:18:52. > :18:58.you are suggesting in terms of the door to make it illegal, when you

:18:59. > :19:01.own the land, to sell it as leases? Three things. Firstly, banned the

:19:02. > :19:07.sale of leasehold houses if the freeholder is available. Secondly,

:19:08. > :19:12.get transparency. If people will not do it in public, they shouldn't do

:19:13. > :19:15.it at all. Once they get the lot of publicity, a lot of them are going

:19:16. > :19:21.back fast. The third thing is to change the law so that you build

:19:22. > :19:23.commonhold rather than leasehold, which means the freeholder of the

:19:24. > :19:29.development passes control of the managing agent to the leaseholders

:19:30. > :19:37.themselves. Does that sound like overregulation? Sun sounds sensible.

:19:38. > :19:42.I would say that sometimes that requires a management company to

:19:43. > :19:47.take control. In the small and medium enterprises, we like to take

:19:48. > :19:55.that leasehold because they can maintain the gardens. But that

:19:56. > :20:00.should be the leaseholder's decision, not somebody asking for

:20:01. > :20:02.the money. Daniel, you are a solicitor. Solicitors and

:20:03. > :20:08.conveyancers don't come out of this well. They are not reading these

:20:09. > :20:14.contracts properly. Firstly, I am from a firm who are part of the

:20:15. > :20:22.conveyancing association, who have been lobbying for change. Change to

:20:23. > :20:26.get members to read the contract is properly? Changed to the

:20:27. > :20:31.conveyancing system as a whole, which includes changes to leasehold

:20:32. > :20:36.law. For example, with leasehold flats, which are subject to the

:20:37. > :20:40.leasehold reform housing and urban development act of 1993, for a lease

:20:41. > :20:46.extension, the legislation requires that the lease is extended by 90

:20:47. > :20:49.years. But the peppercorn ground rent becomes the ground rent and

:20:50. > :20:54.that lease, so why should it be any different for freehold premises? But

:20:55. > :20:59.do you accept that there are some solicitors not working on behalf of

:21:00. > :21:05.their clients? There is good and bad everywhere. We do a full report for

:21:06. > :21:12.leaseholders. What does that mean? Well, I do lease extensions. But

:21:13. > :21:15.what is a full report? Is there a half report? Provisions in the

:21:16. > :21:19.lease, what the ground rent is now and what it is going to be. Who is

:21:20. > :21:28.required to ensure the building, what the repairing obligations are.

:21:29. > :21:34.You are specialists. You talk about lease extensions being set with the

:21:35. > :21:39.ground rent at virtually nothing. The man and injuring Parliament road

:21:40. > :21:44.new leases extending them, but Dublin went back to when the lease

:21:45. > :21:49.was first granted in 1950. People could be hit with a grant in ?1000.

:21:50. > :21:53.They complain and then told to sue their solicitor. But the lease is

:21:54. > :21:56.written in such a way that you have to be a very experienced solicitor

:21:57. > :22:04.to find these terms in all the verbiage. And you need money to do

:22:05. > :22:06.the selling. Some of these terms are so unfair that they should be

:22:07. > :22:12.unenforceable, and then those who created them lose out a lot. I would

:22:13. > :22:18.just say that the way we deal with work like this is, my department is

:22:19. > :22:24.not a conveyancing department. So if there is a leasehold element to the

:22:25. > :22:29.conveyance, that gets passed over to my department, which is a specialist

:22:30. > :22:33.department. That is how it gets dealt with properly and the clients

:22:34. > :22:39.are fully aware of what they are committing too. You want government

:22:40. > :22:44.to act, don't you? I think it needs to in certain areas. What would you

:22:45. > :22:49.have done differently, knowing what you know now? This is it. There

:22:50. > :22:55.needs to be more transparency. We were not made aware it by the

:22:56. > :22:57.solicitor or the developer that the leasehold was not available. We

:22:58. > :23:03.thought the land was owned by somebody else. Had we known all of

:23:04. > :23:07.this, we probably would not have bought that property, we would have

:23:08. > :23:09.gone outside that area and found something cheaper that was freehold

:23:10. > :23:15.that we could have more control over. At the moment, we are

:23:16. > :23:19.thinking, are we even better off in a home that we own? We might have

:23:20. > :23:23.been better off renting. That might have been cheaper in the long term.

:23:24. > :23:31.We don't know what to do. We have only just established our position

:23:32. > :23:37.and it has come as a big shock. You said you are happy where you are. We

:23:38. > :23:43.love it, but we had to get together a campaign to find out what our

:23:44. > :23:46.rights work with solicitors. We needed to find out that we have a

:23:47. > :23:51.right to manage and to buy our own freehold. Before we got the people

:23:52. > :23:54.together and realised that we can exercise these rights, we were

:23:55. > :24:00.utterly powerless. We had a very visual demonstration of how

:24:01. > :24:05.non-powerless we are now when we had a meeting with the management the

:24:06. > :24:08.other night and for the first time, all three blocks walked in together

:24:09. > :24:11.to that meeting. You could tell immediately from the body language

:24:12. > :24:15.that these people know their rights. They are in the last chance saloon

:24:16. > :24:18.at the moment. While hoping they will realise that publicity is going

:24:19. > :24:25.to be dangerous and will start behaving like this and business

:24:26. > :24:28.people. The leaseholders partnership are charity. Let them know and if

:24:29. > :24:33.you want to seek help, look on their website. Ask your MP to get

:24:34. > :24:36.involved, because the government is going to move and we can move a long

:24:37. > :24:44.way. Good luck and thank you. We're holding a special programme

:24:45. > :24:47.looking at the state of the NHS. We'll be looking at the problems

:24:48. > :24:49.it's facing and asking If you work in the NHS as a doctor,

:24:50. > :24:54.nurse or a consultant, or you're a patient with recent

:24:55. > :24:56.experience, we'd love you to take It's in central London

:24:57. > :24:59.on Monday 6th February. Email victoria@bbc.co.uk

:25:00. > :25:01.to register your interest and one Our political guru Norman Smith

:25:02. > :25:19.is at Westminster. They had that massive vote last

:25:20. > :25:22.night in favour of starting the whole Brexit process. Part of the

:25:23. > :25:26.reason there are confident is because Labour have said they will

:25:27. > :25:29.not block it. One of the striking things this morning is that we have

:25:30. > :25:37.just had this massive historic vote, and yet much of the attention is on

:25:38. > :25:40.the Labour Party. Last night, we saw three more Shadow Cabinet members

:25:41. > :25:45.resigning because they couldn't back Mr Corbyn's stands. We saw ten

:25:46. > :25:49.frontbenchers defying him and refusing to vote for Brexit. We saw

:25:50. > :25:54.his party whips, the people who are meant to enforce discipline and

:25:55. > :26:00.ensure that his will runs, even three of them defied him. No wonder

:26:01. > :26:04.Labour are not in a position to mount any opposition, because they

:26:05. > :26:07.are profoundly divided, albeit the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell on

:26:08. > :26:09.the Today programme this morning was try to save the divisions were not

:26:10. > :26:18.really that bad. The irony is this. When we get past

:26:19. > :26:25.article 50, our party is willing and capable of uniting to protect our

:26:26. > :26:30.country. Under this leader? Under this leader, and this Tory party was

:26:31. > :26:34.split apart. The nature of Jeremy Corbyn's politics, the consensual,

:26:35. > :26:38.mutual respect politics, will be the one holds our party together.

:26:39. > :26:44.One further twist to the Labour story. Diane Abbott, one of Mr

:26:45. > :26:48.Corbyn's closest political allies and part of the inner sanctum,

:26:49. > :26:56.wasn't in the Commons last night to vote. People say she was ill, she

:26:57. > :27:01.had a migraine and went home. A lot of people are a bit suspicious about

:27:02. > :27:05.that, frankly, and wonder if actually, she really did not want to

:27:06. > :27:09.vote for Brexit and she wasn't prepared to back her leader. In

:27:10. > :27:17.other words, she pulled a city. I suspect that he will have been

:27:18. > :27:21.fuelled by these pictures of Diane Abbott in Westminster a few hours

:27:22. > :27:29.before the vote, looking pretty OK. Have a look. What President Trump

:27:30. > :27:33.shows us, is that there is such a thing as a effective

:27:34. > :27:37.counterterrorism strategy, but there is also such a thing as a

:27:38. > :27:39.counter-productive terrorism strategy and it is kid to everybody

:27:40. > :27:47.now that banning people from seven majority Muslim countries, plus

:27:48. > :27:52.serene refugees from coming into the US... You'll agree you can see that

:27:53. > :27:57.Diane Abbott doesn't look too picky. Why this matters is because if Diane

:27:58. > :28:04.Abbott did decide not to vote for Brexit and to defy her leader, that

:28:05. > :28:06.would suggest that the split and the doubts about Jeremy Corbyn now

:28:07. > :28:09.extends not just through the Parliamentary party and into the

:28:10. > :28:12.Shadow Cabinet, but right into Jeremy Corbyn's inner circle. Well,

:28:13. > :28:16.thank you very much. Still to come: Have you ever had

:28:17. > :28:27.a conversation with someone And why the number of students

:28:28. > :28:36.applying for nursing courses has dropped dramatically. Now the latest

:28:37. > :28:37.news. The government is preparing

:28:38. > :28:39.to publish what it calls a substantial white paper on Brexit,

:28:40. > :28:42.building on the plans set out MPs voted overwhelmingly last night

:28:43. > :28:46.to give the Prime Minister the power to start negotiations

:28:47. > :28:48.with European leaders. Dozens of Labour MPs

:28:49. > :28:51.ignored an order to support A ban on scheduled night flights

:28:52. > :28:58.at Heathrow is being proposed, as part of plans to build

:28:59. > :29:05.a third runway there. Ministers will set out

:29:06. > :29:07.proposals for the ?22 billion Opponents and supporters have four

:29:08. > :29:11.months to put forward their views The Church of England has admitted

:29:12. > :29:16.that allegations of historical physical abuse against a former

:29:17. > :29:18.friend of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby,

:29:19. > :29:20.should have been reported years The Archbishop says

:29:21. > :29:23.that although he worked with the barrister, John Smythe,

:29:24. > :29:25.he was not part of his inner 10,000 fewer people applied to train

:29:26. > :29:31.to become nurses last year, The figures - from the university

:29:32. > :29:36.admissions service Ucas - They also show that overall

:29:37. > :29:40.university applications from UK Beyonce's surprise announcement that

:29:41. > :29:48.she's pregnant with twins has become The singer's announcement

:29:49. > :29:52.that she and her husband Jay Z are expecting twins has been liked

:29:53. > :30:05.more than 7 million times. That's a summary of the latest news,

:30:06. > :30:15.join me for BBC Newsroom Many messages from you about the

:30:16. > :30:19.situation with your lease. This is from Carol. I have lived on my

:30:20. > :30:22.property for 32 years. In 2013, we heard that a neighbour had trouble

:30:23. > :30:26.selling their property due to the legs are left on their existing

:30:27. > :30:29.links. So I wrote to the Council, who called police, request in

:30:30. > :30:34.purchase of the freehold interest in the property. They came back with an

:30:35. > :30:37.offer of ?1000 plus counsel fees of over 500 quid. Unfortunately, I was

:30:38. > :30:42.not in the financial position to buy it at the time. When I had said that

:30:43. > :30:46.money, I wrote to the council again and received a letter telling me the

:30:47. > :30:49.price had risen to over ?12,000 plus fees. Stewart as I have a situation

:30:50. > :30:54.where I have a lease which I was not aware has only 62 years left. I just

:30:55. > :30:58.want to make the lease back up to 99 years. They gave me a figure of 8000

:30:59. > :31:02.plus costs. It means if I do decide to sell the property, a bank or

:31:03. > :31:06.building society will not lend money to a buyer on such a short lease.

:31:07. > :31:12.Sally says, watching your programme on ground rents and leaseholds, the

:31:13. > :31:15.top part of my garden is leasehold. The rest of the land our house sits

:31:16. > :31:19.on his freehold. It's a small strip because the full width of the

:31:20. > :31:22.property, which I believe was originally done this way in case the

:31:23. > :31:25.road ever needed to be widened. Kirklees Council on it and when we

:31:26. > :31:32.ate to purchase it, they asked for the sum of ?16,000! The grand red

:31:33. > :31:34.was ?5 for 20 years and then went up to ?25 and is still rising -- ground

:31:35. > :31:55.rent. Time for sport. It was a mixed night for the

:31:56. > :31:58.Manchester clubs. Manchester City beat West Ham 4-0, but Manchester

:31:59. > :32:03.United could only draw 0-0 with Hull. Vidic Wright scored his 100th

:32:04. > :32:08.Premier League goal last night 15 years after he scored his first

:32:09. > :32:14.top-flight goal, and he reprises his signature Robot celebration. Looking

:32:15. > :32:19.as good as ever! Rangers were well beaten by hearts, 4-1, and despite

:32:20. > :32:22.defeat they stay second, but fourth place Hearts are still some way off

:32:23. > :32:25.Aberdeen in third. Jamie Walker with the pick of the goals. And Eddie

:32:26. > :32:29.Jones has named his side to face France in the opening match rugby

:32:30. > :32:37.union's six Nations Championship. Mario J is in, and so is Elliot

:32:38. > :32:41.Daly. Jones hopes to oversee what will be the 15th straight victory.

:32:42. > :32:44.And that is all the sport, back to you, Victoria. Thank you very much.

:32:45. > :32:50.It is nearly 25 to 11. If you reveal to someone that

:32:51. > :32:53.you have depression or anxiety, whether it's a friend,

:32:54. > :32:55.or family member, colleague or boss, they should

:32:56. > :32:56.treat you with compassion and understanding -

:32:57. > :32:59.like they would if you told them For some reason there

:33:00. > :33:05.are still people who think if you have a mental health issue -

:33:06. > :33:07.you are suddenly weaker, or you can't do your job as well,

:33:08. > :33:10.or can't function as a parent. And guess what - sometimes you can't

:33:11. > :33:14.do those things as well as normal, just like if you broke your arm it

:33:15. > :33:17.might impede your ability to do Mental health stigma

:33:18. > :33:23.is still a big issue - a survey today by Time To Change

:33:24. > :33:27.showed that almost 40% of people had been negatively treated as a result

:33:28. > :33:29.of their mental health issue - potentially affecting

:33:30. > :33:32.millions across the country. Of those who had experienced

:33:33. > :33:36.stigma and discrimination, over half had lost contact

:33:37. > :33:38.with a family member, a friend or a partner and 55% stop

:33:39. > :33:41.socialising or going out completely Let's talk now to Clive Buckenham,

:33:42. > :33:48.who says depression is like a constant companion that

:33:49. > :33:51.made him feel isolated from his family and friends

:33:52. > :33:57.and stopped him wanting to go out. Jenny Carter says she faced

:33:58. > :34:00.discrimination at work and now only feels like she can be open

:34:01. > :34:02.with other people with Oli Regan has bipolar

:34:03. > :34:07.and says relationships and dating can be difficult

:34:08. > :34:12.because of stigma about it. And director at Time

:34:13. > :34:20.For Change, Sue Baker. Hello. We are going to have an open

:34:21. > :34:25.conversation about mental health. It is amazing to me that there is still

:34:26. > :34:35.stigma in 2017, Sue, but your survey suggests definitely. We have been

:34:36. > :34:40.running Time To Change to ten years now, trying to change people's

:34:41. > :34:42.attitudes to mental health problems. Attitudes have positively shifted

:34:43. > :34:52.over time. Not with every body, though. Not everybody, but this

:34:53. > :34:55.latest survey looks at people who have mental health problems who have

:34:56. > :35:01.told us about them and say they still face mental -- stigma about

:35:02. > :35:05.this. We're trying to encourage everyone to have a conversation

:35:06. > :35:08.about mental health. If we do it collectively, we can make a big

:35:09. > :35:11.difference, but this affects millions of us with mental health

:35:12. > :35:16.problems, and our families and friends. Jenny, explain why you feel

:35:17. > :35:21.you could only really talk properly and open and fully with other people

:35:22. > :35:24.who have mental health issues. I kind of only really feel like they

:35:25. > :35:28.understand because they have had similar experiences. If you don't

:35:29. > :35:33.have that frame of reference, it is hard to be able to identify with how

:35:34. > :35:40.someone is feeling. Not everybody. Not always. But I think for me it is

:35:41. > :35:44.quite challenging to be able to let other people in that haven't

:35:45. > :35:50.necessarily had that kind of experience. And can I ask you about

:35:51. > :35:55.what sort of experiences you've had? When I was younger I had quite bad

:35:56. > :35:59.OCD, but these days it is more depression and anxiety. And how does

:36:00. > :36:05.that impact on your life? Sometimes it can be quite challenging getting

:36:06. > :36:10.to work, and sometimes I don't really want to see people and I

:36:11. > :36:18.isolate myself quite a lot. So it can be quite challenging. Oli, in

:36:19. > :36:22.terms of your bipolar, you are meeting someone for the first time,

:36:23. > :36:28.going to the cinema, going out for dinner, at what point would you tell

:36:29. > :36:31.them? Or would you not? Years ago, when I didn't know much about it, I

:36:32. > :36:36.wouldn't have said anything, but now I put it out there. So that people,

:36:37. > :36:41.if they don't like it, if they think I am going to be weird or whatever

:36:42. > :36:45.they think, they can make that discrimination then and I won't have

:36:46. > :36:53.them in my life. And I think it is difficult when people are being like

:36:54. > :36:57.that and being discriminative, because a little thing to someone

:36:58. > :37:06.with mental health problems is massive. And people who don't know

:37:07. > :37:11.what bipolar is, just explain it. Let's say your life is normally like

:37:12. > :37:15.that, normal person, but with bipolar it is more like a

:37:16. > :37:18.roller-coaster, you are up and down. So people who don't know what that

:37:19. > :37:24.is, if you tell them, what you think they are thinking of you? A bit

:37:25. > :37:30.wary, I think. It's the same as what you said. My main friends are the

:37:31. > :37:34.ones that do suffer with mental health problems as well, because the

:37:35. > :37:37.ones that don't have been negative towards it and said the wrong

:37:38. > :37:40.things, like, sort yourself out, that kind of thing, and they can be

:37:41. > :37:47.said Robert Ritter someone who was trying to be strong as they can, --

:37:48. > :37:58.and for someone to say that to someone who is trying to be as

:37:59. > :38:02.strong as they can, that is to rob a . Tell us about your depression and

:38:03. > :38:06.how that led to your feelings of isolation. It was a gradual process,

:38:07. > :38:11.I went through a period where I started to withdraw Froome

:38:12. > :38:14.colleagues at work, became quiet at home, and my wife suggested to me at

:38:15. > :38:18.one point, maybe you are suffering with depression, and I laughed it

:38:19. > :38:23.off, but it wasn't until I had my first panic attack that I had a

:38:24. > :38:28.moment of clarity and I thought, you are not well, you need to see your

:38:29. > :38:32.GP, and I was diagnosed. But I feel the stigma that is attached to

:38:33. > :38:37.mental health, once I had the diagnosis, I started thinking,

:38:38. > :38:42.people will think I am weird now. I am some sort of bad person or

:38:43. > :38:45.whatever. And that made me feel really isolated, which in turn

:38:46. > :38:50.started generating feelings of shame as well, and so it almost

:38:51. > :38:59.immediately starts making you withdraw, and it is a really lonely

:39:00. > :39:02.experience. So in terms of squashing the stigma forbid, we have people

:39:03. > :39:13.like Andrew Flintoff and Jeremy Paxman and Rebecca Front, all sorts

:39:14. > :39:19.of high profile people talking about mental health issues. How much is

:39:20. > :39:22.that helping, do we think? I think it is helping a lot, especially

:39:23. > :39:27.recently, because it wasn't really talked about, especially the older

:39:28. > :39:30.generation before my generation. They are the ones who stigmatise it

:39:31. > :39:34.the most because they don't have any knowledge of what it is like to feel

:39:35. > :39:39.like you have a mental health problem or to deal with on a

:39:40. > :39:43.day-to-day basis, the things that someone who is normal would do for

:39:44. > :39:48.someone with mental health problems, that is massive, and people don't

:39:49. > :39:51.get that. But now with Time To Change, and mental health awareness

:39:52. > :39:56.days, it is definitely changing, for the better, and it is making it a

:39:57. > :40:00.lot easier to talk about things. Do you still find sometimes that you

:40:01. > :40:04.are having to say to people, it is an illness, it is not just they

:40:05. > :40:09.can't be bothered to get out of bed that day. It is interesting. It

:40:10. > :40:13.definitely helps having high profile people including politicians talking

:40:14. > :40:16.about it. The first FTSE 100 chief executive talking about it, the

:40:17. > :40:21.chief executive of WH Smith is talked about his partner's bipolar.

:40:22. > :40:25.We need to see a lot more about that in all walks of life and all

:40:26. > :40:30.communities. We need to see people talk about it and open up. At the

:40:31. > :40:33.end, what we want is an open, Survation, we want people to seek

:40:34. > :40:42.help earlier and not be afraid to seek help, and it is helpful but we

:40:43. > :40:47.are starting to a brace mental health in the way that we embrace

:40:48. > :40:51.physical health. They shouldn't be a stigma attached, so we are making

:40:52. > :40:57.progress. Is that the only way to get rid of the stigma, to keep on

:40:58. > :41:02.talking, on TV, on radio, with your friends? It is about talking? I

:41:03. > :41:07.definitely think it is, and I found when I started being open about the

:41:08. > :41:11.illness, so many people would open up and say, they have had mental

:41:12. > :41:15.health problems, family and friends have, and it is at that point you

:41:16. > :41:20.start realising this isn't something that is weird or strange, it is

:41:21. > :41:25.quite normal. I have said to people, do the supermarket test. When you do

:41:26. > :41:30.your weekly shot, statistically, every fourth person you see has a

:41:31. > :41:34.mental health issue. That makes people really start thinking about

:41:35. > :41:39.it. But it is only that talking process that really gets people do

:41:40. > :41:44.start being open. Victoria, you mentioned cancer. I went through

:41:45. > :41:48.cancer last year, and one in three people diagnosed with cancer will

:41:49. > :41:51.become depressed. I would suggest that three in three people diagnosed

:41:52. > :41:55.with terminal illnesses or fighting something which could jeopardise

:41:56. > :41:59.their life are going to have a psychological response, it is part

:42:00. > :42:02.of being human. So why don't we screen everybody given an illness

:42:03. > :42:09.like that with mental health issues? We should be screening. How much

:42:10. > :42:16.would that cost? It costs more to not support people and the people to

:42:17. > :42:20.wait longer to get help. Geese as I visited my GP yesterday. Having a

:42:21. > :42:26.big NHS debate on Monday, and we know that resources are restricted.

:42:27. > :42:29.I was informed there was nothing more that could be done for my

:42:30. > :42:34.mental health. I have done all the therapy and had all the medication,

:42:35. > :42:39.and I am still struggling. That has happened to me as well. Because

:42:40. > :42:43.people think, you do this the six mills, 12 miles, a team is, and you

:42:44. > :42:52.will be all right at the end of it, but for many people it is constantly

:42:53. > :42:57.managing it. -- six months, 12 months and you will be all right for

:42:58. > :43:02.is blue yes, there needs to be more of an attitude change to realise

:43:03. > :43:07.that people go through periods of wellness and illness, and it is

:43:08. > :43:15.about managing it on a day-to-day basis, and it is not just giving you

:43:16. > :43:19.some sessions of CBT and then you are fine, because two years later

:43:20. > :43:25.you might be unwell again, and it is about having that constant access to

:43:26. > :43:28.support, to be above to manage it. And mental health problems can be

:43:29. > :43:32.episodic, so we have to get, in terms of stigma, we don't want

:43:33. > :43:36.everyone to think that we are ill all the time, because we can do all

:43:37. > :43:40.of those things and manage a mental health problem with the right

:43:41. > :43:43.support of friends and family, which is why it is so tragic when you lose

:43:44. > :43:49.that support, which is what the survey found. But it is important to

:43:50. > :43:55.also recognise... I don't get that. Your brother, your mother, partner,

:43:56. > :44:01.child, says I feel low and the rest of the family decide not to support

:44:02. > :44:05.you any more? I don't get it. I think it is fear, not having the

:44:06. > :44:10.confidence to deal with it all be supportive or fear of it. I think it

:44:11. > :44:15.is the fear of the stigma. We have a well ingrained cultural stereotype

:44:16. > :44:22.about mental health, which is what we need to change. That is what

:44:23. > :44:25.stops people talking out and saying they are mentally ill, because they

:44:26. > :44:31.are afraid of how people are going to react. And it is worse for men,

:44:32. > :44:37.as well. We don't talk about our feelings as much as ladies do, and

:44:38. > :44:43.75% of all suicides are men, so that is a big thing as well, the alpha

:44:44. > :44:49.male stereotype is... Let me read this tweet from Rob, I

:44:50. > :44:59.tried to take my own life at work. My employer sent me to the doctor

:45:00. > :45:04.and then sacked me. That is illegal? Yes, people are protected with

:45:05. > :45:07.enduring mental health problems, we were talking about it on one of your

:45:08. > :45:12.previous problems when the Prime Minister spoke about this. Equality

:45:13. > :45:16.legislation covers you with a mental health problem as a disability, but

:45:17. > :45:19.at the moment you are only protected if you have mental health problems

:45:20. > :45:23.for 12 months or more, which ignores the episodic nature of it. So it is

:45:24. > :45:29.illegal under certain conditions, and that is tragic. Employers are

:45:30. > :45:34.getting better, we work with 500 of them, a lot of them very well-known

:45:35. > :45:37.ones, but that is not to say it is safe for everybody in the workplace

:45:38. > :45:41.to talk about it and get help, and how tragic that happened.

:45:42. > :45:46.Thank you all very much, and thank you for being so open. Thank you.

:45:47. > :45:49.Police in Dubai are refusing to hand over a passport

:45:50. > :45:52.confiscated from a British woman who says she needs it to fly back to

:45:53. > :45:56.Luisa Williams was diagnosed with advanced stage three kidney

:45:57. > :46:02.She fears that the volunteer work she's been doing,

:46:03. > :46:04.helping children imprisoned in the United Arab Emirates,

:46:05. > :46:07.is the cause of the unwillingness of the authorities to let her fly

:46:08. > :46:15.They will not let her leave unless she goes to a detention centre

:46:16. > :46:15.first. She's been telling me

:46:16. > :46:17.about her predicament, and why she's been in trouble

:46:18. > :46:20.with the authorities in Dubai. Well, originally, I was first

:46:21. > :46:24.arrested in December 2015 by the cyber crime unit

:46:25. > :46:27.because they were suspicious that I had been involved in charitable

:46:28. > :46:38.activities without permission from the government

:46:39. > :46:39.and the special department. But in fact, I just

:46:40. > :46:42.run a volunteer group. I was found innocent

:46:43. > :46:45.of all the federal charges. But then they found me

:46:46. > :46:48.guilty of a misdemeanour, which is article 27 of UAE law that

:46:49. > :46:52.says you cannot ask the public for money

:46:53. > :47:05.for charity on the internet. But the evidence that's been

:47:06. > :47:08.submitted that I had done that is actually incorrectly

:47:09. > :47:10.translated into Arabic. Is that when they took

:47:11. > :47:12.your passport from you? And I've been going through

:47:13. > :47:17.the court process since then. I took it all the way

:47:18. > :47:21.to the Supreme Court. But in the end, I guess

:47:22. > :47:24.they just wanted me to go. Why haven't they given it back

:47:25. > :47:31.to you, and explain to our audience Well, there's a process when you're

:47:32. > :47:40.being deported from Dubai. There is a process where you have

:47:41. > :47:42.to go into detention. Nobody can tell me how long

:47:43. > :47:46.that process will take. It's either going to be

:47:47. > :47:50.three days or three weeks until they find my passport

:47:51. > :47:53.and clear the system I've been diagnosed with stage three

:47:54. > :48:00.malignant advanced kidney cancer. I'm bleeding profusely

:48:01. > :48:02.when I go to the toilet, and I need to have my kidney,

:48:03. > :48:04.my ureter and part I need to travel as soon

:48:05. > :48:09.as possible, but this So that was diagnosed

:48:10. > :48:20.while you were in Dubai. Can you not go to a hospital now

:48:21. > :48:24.and be treated there? Well, I don't have my visa any more

:48:25. > :48:29.here, so strictly speaking, I'm not a citizen here any more

:48:30. > :48:34.because my company was closed so they've put an absconding

:48:35. > :48:38.file against my visa. It just complicates things

:48:39. > :48:47.for any medical treatment. Is the British Foreign

:48:48. > :48:49.Office trying to help? Yeah, everyone has been

:48:50. > :48:53.wonderful, to be honest. They've been so proactive,

:48:54. > :48:55.but it doesn't look The procedure is that

:48:56. > :49:06.you have to go to detention. But there are no beds there,

:49:07. > :49:09.it's just a giant room with lots of women in it

:49:10. > :49:11.for the female section, If it doesn't come soon, in days,

:49:12. > :49:18.what's going to happen? I've seen two doctors here that have

:49:19. > :49:26.given me medical reports to say that my kidney could haemorrhage

:49:27. > :49:30.at any time into my lower spine because the tumour is right

:49:31. > :49:36.on the outside of the kidney. They're concerned that if I go

:49:37. > :49:39.into the detention cell, if I have any medical emergency,

:49:40. > :49:42.it will take them three or four hours to get me

:49:43. > :49:44.to the nearest hospital. Yes, we contacted Andrew Turner's

:49:45. > :49:52.office and he got in touch with the Foreign Office

:49:53. > :49:55.and the Foreign Office got in touch Everybody has been

:49:56. > :50:06.calling me nonstop. They're doing their best,

:50:07. > :50:08.but it doesn't look likely. It looks like I'll have to go

:50:09. > :50:11.to the detention centre. And I just don't

:50:12. > :50:13.understand it, Victoria. It's an incorrectly

:50:14. > :50:14.translated Facebook post. I said "click and subscribe",

:50:15. > :50:17.and it's been translated as "click and donate",

:50:18. > :50:20.which is illegal here. It's illegal to use GoFundMe or ask

:50:21. > :50:27.for money on the internet, I haven't asked for

:50:28. > :50:34.money from anybody. We've been in touch with the office

:50:35. > :50:41.of Andrew Turner, the MP who represents the constituency

:50:42. > :50:43.where her mother lives They say he and the Foreign Office

:50:44. > :50:49.are looking into the matter with a view to trying

:50:50. > :50:51.to resolve the situation. The Dubai government say they're

:50:52. > :50:54.not aware of the story. Are young people turning their backs

:50:55. > :50:56.on a career in nursing? New figures suggest

:50:57. > :50:59.that might be the case, after a Government decision to get

:51:00. > :51:01.rid of NHS bursaries. Almost 10,000 fewer would-be nurses

:51:02. > :51:04.in England have applied for courses That's a quarter

:51:05. > :51:11.less than last year. The Ucas figures show a fall

:51:12. > :51:14.from around 44,000 to 34,000. Nursing leaders say this

:51:15. > :51:16.confirms their worst fears. She's the Chief Executive

:51:17. > :51:18.and General Secretary And in Bristol is

:51:19. > :51:22.Professor Steve West. He chairs the Universities UK's

:51:23. > :51:34.health education policy network. Is it because of the change in

:51:35. > :51:38.funding? Ferries to be a grand, now you have to get a student loan. We

:51:39. > :51:42.think it is, and that is because nursing is different. It is a

:51:43. > :51:46.fantastic career, but it attracts people from all social backgrounds.

:51:47. > :51:50.It particularly attracts more mature entrants, which is fantastic because

:51:51. > :51:55.these are people who have had life experience and are more mature.

:51:56. > :51:59.Within those figures, there is a 29% reduction in over 25. This is our

:52:00. > :52:03.key area, where we are really worried. When people come into

:52:04. > :52:06.nursing, it is not an easy choice. It is hard work, and nursing is a

:52:07. > :52:19.very different type of degree. 50% of the time is spent caring as

:52:20. > :52:24.nurses. They are supervised and they are giving care to people for 50% of

:52:25. > :52:27.the time. The other 50% of the time, they are in university, getting the

:52:28. > :52:32.skills and knowledge that are required to be a good nurse. Up

:52:33. > :52:37.until this entry September, the government had paid for nurse

:52:38. > :52:40.education. These are nurses going to work in our NHS and that

:52:41. > :52:45.relationship between the National Health Service and our student

:52:46. > :52:48.nurses has always been strong. This has changed, because as part of the

:52:49. > :52:52.conference on spending review, the money was removed as savings. It

:52:53. > :52:56.hasn't gone into a different form of nurse training or supporting nurses,

:52:57. > :53:00.it was removed as savings. Now nurses are expected to be like other

:53:01. > :53:05.students and take out a loan. We think for nursing, it is different

:53:06. > :53:09.and we believe that the time that it would put off people who will make

:53:10. > :53:14.fantastic nurses from applying. At the moment from these figures, it

:53:15. > :53:19.looks like our fears were confirmed. Steve West, what do you put the drop

:53:20. > :53:23.down to, the same reasons as Janet, or not? Yes, it is the reason is as

:53:24. > :53:29.those that have been said. The other thing to remember is that this was

:53:30. > :53:33.done to try to lead to a significant increase in the numbers of people

:53:34. > :53:40.considering nursing and the allied health professions. We know the NHS

:53:41. > :53:43.desperately needs a workforce and in order to ensure that that workforce

:53:44. > :53:49.need is met, we have to increase our numbers. Unfortunately, the funding

:53:50. > :53:54.was not available within the Department of Health and the NHS

:53:55. > :54:02.envelope, so the only of being able to increase numbers over time was to

:54:03. > :54:04.move the funding across. As we have seen previously when fees were

:54:05. > :54:12.introduced in other parts of university activity, there is a drop

:54:13. > :54:17.in the number of applications, which over time returns. But the

:54:18. > :54:20.difficulty is that we need to ensure that the government understands that

:54:21. > :54:23.they will need to help us to ensure we get the right messages across to

:54:24. > :54:29.perspective students that we don't see a drop in the diversity and that

:54:30. > :54:35.we don't see students being put off because they don't understand how it

:54:36. > :54:38.will be funded going forward. And by that, you mean there will have to

:54:39. > :54:43.take out a student loan? They will have to take out a student loan and

:54:44. > :54:47.once they are earning over the ?21,000 threshold, they start to

:54:48. > :54:52.repay the loan. Of course, there are all sorts of ways in which that

:54:53. > :54:56.might be helped once they graduate. Remember that the students are not

:54:57. > :55:02.required to find the money up. It is only once they are earning. Janet

:55:03. > :55:07.Davies, there will be a gap in the short-term. Do you accept what Steve

:55:08. > :55:10.says, that in the long term, when we look at other courses were similar

:55:11. > :55:14.things have happened, the numbers have come back up steadily? Our

:55:15. > :55:17.argument is that nursing is different. It isn't like other

:55:18. > :55:23.graduate programmes. And in fact, there still is a reduction in the

:55:24. > :55:26.older mature entrants to university. You can argue that, but it doesn't

:55:27. > :55:30.sound like the government is going to change the way they fund nursing

:55:31. > :55:33.degrees. We have only just seen the results. The rationale from the

:55:34. > :55:37.government at the time was that it would increase the number of nurses

:55:38. > :55:44.able to come into nurse education. This is indicating that this isn't

:55:45. > :55:47.happening. We haven't got time. We have 24,000 nursing vacancies. We

:55:48. > :55:50.are short staffed across our National Health Service. We can't

:55:51. > :55:56.afford to lose one year of the graduates that come out. We need to

:55:57. > :56:01.increase the number of nurses. I knew you are not a politician, but

:56:02. > :56:08.where would you get the money from? This money was taken away. If it was

:56:09. > :56:12.that into an area that gave us loans, it would need to come back.

:56:13. > :56:15.There needs to be a good relationship between the government

:56:16. > :56:21.and our nurses. We cannot afford to lose talented people. Sun can I just

:56:22. > :56:26.say that the funding that was lost is still within the NHS. It was part

:56:27. > :56:30.of the savings requirements. We now have to work together to ensure that

:56:31. > :56:31.young people and mature entrants recognise the real value still

:56:32. > :56:37.coming into nursing. Thank you. We invited the Universities

:56:38. > :56:39.Minister Jo Johnson on the programme but instead,

:56:40. > :56:57.he's sent us a statement. That does not address the point

:56:58. > :57:03.about nursing, but thank you, Mr Johnson. We just have time to show

:57:04. > :57:06.some more of the pics you have been sending us after Beyonce announced

:57:07. > :57:10.that she was expecting twins on social media. Have a look at this.

:57:11. > :57:15.Lee McQueen watches our programme and she sent in this amazing picture

:57:16. > :57:21.of her at seven months pregnant with twins in July 20 15. Leah, that is

:57:22. > :57:27.Beyonce the noes to the left! Here are her twin boys at three months.

:57:28. > :57:35.-- that is Beyonce -esque! He was lucky when she was pregnant in 2004.

:57:36. > :57:39.Is she in the hospital there? And thanks to Karina, who shared this

:57:40. > :57:49.stab of herself. Oh, we have mixed those up. She is about to go into

:57:50. > :57:58.Labour. Thank you for sharing such intimate pics. On Monday, we will be

:57:59. > :58:01.the key at the state of the NHS. We are looking at the issues it is

:58:02. > :58:04.facing and asking for your help with solutions. We have just talked about

:58:05. > :58:09.some of the issues regarding nursing. If you work in the NHS or

:58:10. > :58:14.you are a recent patient, get in touch. We would love you to take

:58:15. > :58:18.part in the programme in London. Send us an e-mail, quick! One of our

:58:19. > :58:20.team will be in touch. Einstein replaced Newton's theory

:58:21. > :58:35.of universal gravitation with a more accurate theory -

:58:36. > :58:39.general relativity.