03/02/2017

:00:08. > :00:09.Hello it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:15.Theresa May has arrived in Malta where she'll tell EU leaders

:00:16. > :00:17.that the UK wants a positive and constructive new

:00:18. > :00:33.Theresa May is here ready to talk about the migration crisis, about

:00:34. > :00:34.the Trump effect on global politics and of course about Brexit which

:00:35. > :00:36.throws a pretty long shadow here. Parts of the UK have higher rates

:00:37. > :00:39.of Tuberculosis than some We'll have a special report

:00:40. > :00:44.on the disease and find out how mobile treatment units

:00:45. > :00:55.are being deployed to The symptoms are very painful and

:00:56. > :01:01.people suffer because they are homeless, it's very uncomfortable.

:01:02. > :01:05.But I knew I had to do it because if I did not I was going to die.

:01:06. > :01:08.Televised in 170 countries around the world - it is, for many,

:01:09. > :01:12.We'll look ahead to Super Bowl 51 and the growing popularity

:01:13. > :01:24.of America Football, here in the UK

:01:25. > :01:27.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

:01:28. > :01:30.We also want to hear from you this morning if you've had

:01:31. > :01:32.trouble getting hold of fresh vegetables.

:01:33. > :01:34.Poor growing conditions in Europe are causing a shortage and Tesco has

:01:35. > :01:46.To stop smaller stores buying from them in bulk.

:01:47. > :01:48.We'll have the details on this and find out

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:01:57. > :02:00.Our top story today - Theresa May has arrived in Malta

:02:01. > :02:02.for an informal one-day summit of EU leaders.

:02:03. > :02:05.She'll brief European Union leaders on her meeting with Donald Trump,

:02:06. > :02:07.and is expected to stress that she wants "a positive

:02:08. > :02:09.and constructive" relationship with the EU after Brexit.

:02:10. > :02:16.The cannons will welcome the EU leaders to their first Malta summit.

:02:17. > :02:18.They won't have to look far around the coast

:02:19. > :02:24.African migrants who mostly reach Europe by boat

:02:25. > :02:33.They want jobs and documents and a sense of hope.

:02:34. > :02:36.They're not optimistic they will get them from the EU gathering.

:02:37. > :02:49.Migration is a major fault line within EU.

:02:50. > :02:52.The Mediterranean countries want their partners far from these

:02:53. > :02:54.shores to resettle a share of the migrants.

:02:55. > :03:02.Experts warn that alternative solutions, like paying African

:03:03. > :03:06.countries to take migrants back, or trying to stop people

:03:07. > :03:12.from leaving Libya, will be difficult and dangerous.

:03:13. > :03:15.If Europe manages to shut down or blockade Libya there will be

:03:16. > :03:16.a displacement effect to neighbouring countries

:03:17. > :03:20.and we will see boats departing from other areas.

:03:21. > :03:22.So on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea,

:03:23. > :03:26.which has brought so many migrants to Europe, the EU leaders

:03:27. > :03:29.will talk as they've talked before about migration.

:03:30. > :03:34.But they will also have their minds on the choppier political waters

:03:35. > :03:37.ahead, created not just by Brexit but by the turbulent new presidency

:03:38. > :03:49.Our Europe correspondent Kevin Connolly is at the summit

:03:50. > :04:04.What sort of day can Theresa May expect? Well, there are a lot of

:04:05. > :04:07.difficult agendas here, you have the migration crisis, you have the

:04:08. > :04:12.fallout of Brexit and what that means for the future of the EU, but

:04:13. > :04:17.I suspect the issue which will take all the oxygen from the others is

:04:18. > :04:21.the question of the Trump effect on global politics. Lots of European

:04:22. > :04:25.leaders, most of them in fact, view Donald Trump with horror, he comes

:04:26. > :04:34.from the tradition of American politics that they do not get the

:04:35. > :04:38.idea that you can -- cannot have too many guns but you can have too much

:04:39. > :04:46.government. Theresa May has been to the Donald Trump White House so

:04:47. > :04:54.we'll be reporting back on what it could mean for Europe. Bringing a

:04:55. > :04:59.bit of a mixed message on Nato, Donald Trump had talked about Nato

:05:00. > :05:03.being obsolete, Theresa May will say she has an assurance from Donald

:05:04. > :05:08.Trump that he's pretty committed to Nato but only if they cut down their

:05:09. > :05:12.reliance on American guns and American money and start spending a

:05:13. > :05:18.bit more of their own money on their own defence. She is going to have an

:05:19. > :05:20.interesting day, leaving in the afternoon, not there for the

:05:21. > :05:26.afternoon session where they will talk about the European future which

:05:27. > :05:31.will not include the United Kingdom. Thank you very much Kevin.

:05:32. > :05:34.To the BBC Newsroom now for a summary of the rest

:05:35. > :05:38.There's scathing criticism this morning of government plans

:05:39. > :05:46.A report by the Commons Public Accounts Committee says

:05:47. > :05:48.there doesn't appear to be any proper co-ordination of efforts

:05:49. > :05:50.to protect people and electronic systems from online attacks.

:05:51. > :05:58.Our Home Affairs Correspondent Dominic Casciani reports.

:05:59. > :06:00.The Russians have engaged in cyber attacks against

:06:01. > :06:03.A presidential campaign rocked by a hack.

:06:04. > :06:06.Hillary Clinton's team were targeted in a cyber attack.

:06:07. > :06:10.The resulting leak of staff personal e-mails was devastating.

:06:11. > :06:13.But it's not just US politicians who are being embarrassed

:06:14. > :06:19.This teenager, Daniel Kelly, is awaiting sentencing

:06:20. > :06:23.in London for a major cyber attack on TalkTalk.

:06:24. > :06:28.Personal data belonging to almost 160,000 customers was stolen.

:06:29. > :06:30.Now MPs warn the UK's national efforts to counter these threats

:06:31. > :06:40.In its report, the powerful Public Accounts Committee says

:06:41. > :06:43.ministers haven't consolidated an "alphabet soup" of agencies.

:06:44. > :06:45.They are struggling to find enough people with the right skills

:06:46. > :06:47.and there's been a chaotic response to personal data breaches,

:06:48. > :06:58.If something goes wrong it could close down hospitals,

:06:59. > :07:01.we could have a loss of important data and there are some serious

:07:02. > :07:04.things that can happen now with the skills of some

:07:05. > :07:06.Just last October, hospitals across North Lincolnshire

:07:07. > :07:10.Hundreds of operations cancelled in Grimsby and Scunthorpe

:07:11. > :07:12.after a computer virus infected their systems.

:07:13. > :07:15.GCHQ is the heart of the UK's cyber defence.

:07:16. > :07:18.Ministers have pledged more than ?3 billion to security over

:07:19. > :07:24.But the MPs warn there is still no detailed plan for a new national

:07:25. > :07:40.centre which aims to make the UK the safest place online.

:07:41. > :07:42.An estimated 200,000 protesters have staged a third night

:07:43. > :07:44.of demonstrations in Romania against a government decree

:07:45. > :07:46.that decriminalises some types of corruption.

:07:47. > :07:48.The Prime Minister says he won't withdraw the decree.

:07:49. > :07:53.Our correspondent Nick Thorpe is in the Romanian capital of Bucharest.

:07:54. > :08:03.These protests expected to grow over the weekend, remind us of the

:08:04. > :08:09.background? Yes, a decree was passed on Tuesday night by the new social

:08:10. > :08:16.Democratic government, only in power for the last month. This decree

:08:17. > :08:21.would decriminalise some forms of corruption and in practice get out

:08:22. > :08:25.many politicians who are now in jail for corruption. Romania has a strong

:08:26. > :08:28.national anti-corruption directorate, they have been very

:08:29. > :08:32.successful in tackling corruption in high places in the past years and

:08:33. > :08:37.remaining up perhaps the most successful in all of Eastern Europe.

:08:38. > :08:41.But there seems to be a feud between the incoming social Democratic

:08:42. > :08:47.government and the anti-corruption agency. The social Democrats accuse

:08:48. > :08:51.them of being political, a Republic of prosecutors as a former Prime

:08:52. > :08:54.Minister called them and are unfairly targeting the social

:08:55. > :08:59.Democrats. That's the background to it but in practice the government

:09:00. > :09:04.tried to push this through quickly on Tuesday night in an emergency

:09:05. > :09:08.decree. It would come into force in ten days' time and huge numbers of

:09:09. > :09:12.people have come out onto the streets and they claim legitimacy,

:09:13. > :09:16.the government did not say in their programme they would do this so each

:09:17. > :09:21.night they are coming out on the streets. Each night is crucial,

:09:22. > :09:23.large crowds expected tonight, and on Sunday, not just here in

:09:24. > :09:27.Bucharest but across Romania. Levels of Tuberculosis

:09:28. > :09:30.are on the rise in parts of the UK, especially amongst vulnerable groups

:09:31. > :09:32.like the homeless. A special report for this programme

:09:33. > :09:37.has found that medical teams are having to employ mobile

:09:38. > :09:39.treatment units in parts of London to try to keep infection

:09:40. > :09:41.levels under control. The average car insurance premium

:09:42. > :09:51.has reached a record high of ?462 That's according to the Association

:09:52. > :09:57.of British Insurers, which says repairs have become more

:09:58. > :09:59.expensive partly because of cars' increasingly complex electronics,

:10:00. > :10:02.as well as higher whiplash claims Buying in spare parts is also

:10:03. > :10:06.getting more expensive, The company that owns the instant

:10:07. > :10:14.messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public in

:10:15. > :10:19.the US stock exchange. The valuation will be up to $25

:10:20. > :10:24.billion. firm, which allows users to send

:10:25. > :10:28.images that vanish within seconds, is set to be the biggest

:10:29. > :10:31.company to list shares doubts about the company's

:10:32. > :10:37.long term profitability. Supermarkets are rationing the sale

:10:38. > :10:39.of more vegetables to cope with a shortage brought about by bad

:10:40. > :10:44.weather in Spain. It comes after similar problems

:10:45. > :10:46.with courgettes a few weeks ago. Tesco is limiting customers

:10:47. > :10:48.to three iceberg lettuces, and Morrisons is also reported to be

:10:49. > :10:51.preventing shoppers from buying more Tesco says bad weather in Spain has

:10:52. > :10:56.caused "availability issues" but that suppliers are working

:10:57. > :11:00.to resolve the problem. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:11:01. > :11:11.News - more at 9.30am. Thank you very much, let us know if

:11:12. > :11:15.you have had trouble getting hold of your favourite vegetables. Let's

:11:16. > :11:21.catch up with the sport, excitement building ahead of the opening

:11:22. > :11:25.matches of the six Nations? Good morning, it's going to be an

:11:26. > :11:30.interesting next few weeks in rugby union for the tournament which gets

:11:31. > :11:34.the home nation rivalries going. It begins this weekend, Scotland host

:11:35. > :11:39.Ireland, England against France and Wales travelling to Italy. Last year

:11:40. > :11:45.England secured a grand slam, going unbeaten in all of 2016 and will be

:11:46. > :11:49.favourites this time around. Preparation has been good, I think

:11:50. > :11:53.the concern is when you prepare so well you can be complacent going

:11:54. > :11:58.into a game. We have had a really good week this week, rain that

:11:59. > :12:04.training today which I think there's a good thing, greasy ball, dropped

:12:05. > :12:10.balls, keeping people on edge. The challenge going into the game is

:12:11. > :12:13.sharpening the axe mentally. The women's six Nations gets under

:12:14. > :12:18.tonight as Scotland host Ireland. For England it will be a big year

:12:19. > :12:22.indeed, they try to defend the Rugby World Cup later in the summer but

:12:23. > :12:27.captain Sarah Hunter says they are focused on this tournament. It's so

:12:28. > :12:33.competitive now, we cannot get ahead of ourselves. We will prepare as

:12:34. > :12:38.best we can, we will take ourselves to Twickenham and put in a

:12:39. > :12:43.performance we will want to do to get the victory and from there on we

:12:44. > :12:45.will look ahead to the rest of the competition and then the World Cup

:12:46. > :12:54.will come around soon enough no doubt. There is coverage across BBC

:12:55. > :12:59.TV and radio, Ireland going to Murrayfield start things off

:13:00. > :13:10.tomorrow, all the build up tomorrow from 1:15pm. Also Davis Cup tennis

:13:11. > :13:14.but no Andy Murray? ? Yes, he will miss the opening rubber against

:13:15. > :13:19.Canada this weekend which means Dan Evans carries the baton for Team GB,

:13:20. > :13:25.he is the most improved player in men's tennis up to number 45 in the

:13:26. > :13:30.world saw plenty of reasons to be positive for captain Leon Smith. We

:13:31. > :13:34.have really good players, fun of confidence in them, they are all

:13:35. > :13:39.playing really well here. It's always difficult in the away ties,

:13:40. > :13:44.you expect the opposition to raise their game in front of a home crowd

:13:45. > :13:49.so we have to be prepared for that. But these guys are playing very,

:13:50. > :13:54.very good tennis and are ready for it. Kyle Edmund, Jamie Murray and

:13:55. > :13:59.Dominic Inglot are the rest of the team, one other piece of good news,

:14:00. > :14:02.Milos Raonic, the world number four and Canada's strongest player is

:14:03. > :14:08.also missing so hopefully the absence of Andy Murray will not be

:14:09. > :14:14.felt too sharply. And Tiger Woods still struggling with his back?

:14:15. > :14:20.Yes, he has withdrawn from the Dubai desert classic with a bad back, only

:14:21. > :14:25.his second tour appearance at three operations over the last 19 months.

:14:26. > :14:31.He said he was not in pain then, the 14 time major winner failed to make

:14:32. > :14:39.a single birdie, 12 shots off the lead. The problem apparently came on

:14:40. > :14:44.late last night when he had a spat -- spasm in his lower back.

:14:45. > :14:45.Some parts of the UK are experiencing outbreaks

:14:46. > :14:48.of Tuberculosis that are higher than much poorer countries

:14:49. > :14:52.The problem is particularly acute amongst difficult to treat groups,

:14:53. > :14:55.Now medical teams are adopting new ways of reaching them

:14:56. > :14:57.in an attempt to reduce levels of infection.

:14:58. > :15:09.The latest scientific step towards the detection of tuberculosis is

:15:10. > :15:12.The subject stands with head up, tilted on a

:15:13. > :15:15.Tuberculosis, or TB, was a deadly Victorian disease,

:15:16. > :15:19.known as the white plague at the time.

:15:20. > :15:22.Despite medical advancements, over the last century it has made a

:15:23. > :15:24.comeback in the UK, with areas seeing higher infection rates than

:15:25. > :15:32.Tuberculous this is a bacterial infection.

:15:33. > :15:35.It mainly affects the lungs, but it can affect any part of

:15:36. > :15:38.TB in the lungs is spread through inhaling tiny droplets

:15:39. > :15:41.containing the bacteria from the coughs or sneezes of someone

:15:42. > :15:50.Hello, Yasmin, this is Johnny, patient number 078.

:15:51. > :15:53.Johnny Islam is 29, he has a rare type of TB.

:15:54. > :15:57.It could cause long-term brain damage

:15:58. > :16:03.He's been taking a cocktail of 12 tablets each day for

:16:04. > :16:06.He has to record himself taking them and then send

:16:07. > :16:18.So they know he's sticking to the treatment.

:16:19. > :16:20.Well, just let me know when the next doctor appointment.

:16:21. > :16:24.What's it like living with TB in your

:16:25. > :16:28.It's painful and it's like you cannot think straight when you

:16:29. > :16:35.know that you can, like, black out at any time.

:16:36. > :16:43.I am scared to do something on my own.

:16:44. > :16:47.It can go to any brain cells, which is really risky to have

:16:48. > :16:58.It's so painful, sometimes I just have to hold it like this.

:16:59. > :16:59.Trust me, it's like I wish I could drop my

:17:00. > :17:03.What kind of side effects do you face as

:17:04. > :17:05.a result of all the medication you have to take?

:17:06. > :17:07.I'm losing my hair, so I look old now.

:17:08. > :17:13.And my left leg, it stops working sometimes.

:17:14. > :17:19.So these sort of thing really make my

:17:20. > :17:26.One in three people worldwide is infected with latent,

:17:27. > :17:29.or silent, TB, which means they carry the bacteria but don't have

:17:30. > :17:39.They could go on to develop active TB if their

:17:40. > :17:42.There were almost 6000 new cases of active

:17:43. > :17:45.TB in the UK in 2015, almost 40% of those were in London.

:17:46. > :17:47.That's why it's called the TB capital of

:17:48. > :17:51.And some parts of the city have infection rates higher

:17:52. > :17:57.than developing countries like Iraq, Libya and Yemen.

:17:58. > :17:59.So this London borough, Tower Hamlets, is one of

:18:00. > :18:09.In fact, it has some of the worst TB rates in the whole country.

:18:10. > :18:11.Someone with untreated TB can infect up to

:18:12. > :18:19.Millions is being invested to try and

:18:20. > :18:22.eliminate TB as a public health problem in this country.

:18:23. > :18:25.Recently there's been a fall in overall

:18:26. > :18:27.cases, but those involving the most at risk and

:18:28. > :18:28.difficult to treat - like

:18:29. > :18:31.the homeless, drug users and prisoners - are rising.

:18:32. > :18:34.And experts are concerned we could see TB

:18:35. > :18:39.continue to spread among these groups and, ultimately, others.

:18:40. > :18:42.And that's exactly what this van is trying to stop.

:18:43. > :18:48.It's a mobile TB clinic which tries to find and

:18:49. > :18:51.isolate carriers of the disease among the most at risk, before they

:18:52. > :18:54.People that are homeless, or people on the street,

:18:55. > :18:58.Usually go to the hospital or that kind of

:18:59. > :19:06.So coming to this kind of place really helps.

:19:07. > :19:08.Inside, people are giving a lung x-ray, and within

:19:09. > :19:12.It's very clear that there is big quite an extensive progression,

:19:13. > :19:30.This is TB. What kind of symptoms are there of TB? The classic

:19:31. > :19:36.symptoms of Paul Moloney all TB, TB in DeLong, is cough, weight loss,

:19:37. > :19:39.night sweats and fever. Unfortunately if you work with

:19:40. > :19:43.people on the street, many of them rough sleeper and that clinical

:19:44. > :19:48.presentation is perfectly masked by the lifestyle of living on the

:19:49. > :19:52.street, which is why we are taking radiology to the street. How often

:19:53. > :19:58.do you find cases of TB through this? We would swim between three

:19:59. > :20:07.and 400 people to find a case of active disease. Genderless works

:20:08. > :20:10.with the service but before that he was battling drink and drugs and

:20:11. > :20:15.sleeping rough before he was diagnosed with TB in his lungs. I

:20:16. > :20:23.was very thin, six stone in weight at that time, dying. The symptoms

:20:24. > :20:29.are very painful and vulnerable people suffer most because they are

:20:30. > :20:33.homeless, mental health and all this comes into play. Jengis is now clear

:20:34. > :20:38.of TB. It took a long time because he was resistant to one of the

:20:39. > :20:43.drugs. I was on treatment for about a year, 12 tablets a day. They did a

:20:44. > :20:49.lot of tests on me and it was very uncomfortable. But I knew they had

:20:50. > :20:55.to do it because if they didn't, I was going to die. TB can kill if it

:20:56. > :20:59.is left untreated. In a few hours around 70 people from the homeless

:21:00. > :21:03.day centre have been screened. Two had abnormal scans and have been

:21:04. > :21:08.referred. Are you concerned we may see numbers increase? We are seeing

:21:09. > :21:12.a doubling in the street population in the last three or four years.

:21:13. > :21:18.Unfortunately people who are homeless in London are at high risk

:21:19. > :21:23.of infection, high risk of being exposed to TB because they find

:21:24. > :21:29.themselves living in confined spaces with people who potentially can have

:21:30. > :21:34.active and infectious TB. Again, it TB being a social disease, you

:21:35. > :21:38.cannot imagine getting rid of TB unless you address homelessness, the

:21:39. > :21:41.two are intrinsically linked. The homeless, drug addicts and prisoners

:21:42. > :21:46.are amongst the most likely to die from TB. Finding cases is only the

:21:47. > :21:50.first challenge for this mobile clinic, the next is getting them to

:21:51. > :21:54.stick to the long treatment. They can often stop midway which can

:21:55. > :21:58.cause relapse and strains of the bacteria to become resistant to

:21:59. > :22:02.drugs. That is why the service has pioneered this video observed

:22:03. > :22:09.treatment, used in some of the most complicated cases like Johnny's. The

:22:10. > :22:13.first-ever pilot has just finished and it shows almost 90% of patients

:22:14. > :22:19.on it completed treatment. I'm going to take that. A few weeks after we

:22:20. > :22:25.spoke to Johnny, we meet him again. He has news about his treatment. I

:22:26. > :22:29.went to the hospital and spoke to the doctor, we had a handshake and

:22:30. > :22:35.he was happy, he said, Johnny, you are very lucky, I am glad to tell

:22:36. > :22:40.you this, and he showed me the image of my rain and I saw it had just

:22:41. > :22:46.gone, my head is completely clear. He was like, you are free from TB

:22:47. > :22:52.now. I wanted to scream, but I was like, OK, thank you, Doctor! I will

:22:53. > :23:02.still be on medication for six months but he said I am glad you are

:23:03. > :23:06.safe now. You are smiling! I was smiling, like, wow! The video

:23:07. > :23:09.observed treatment Johnny has completed has been described as a

:23:10. > :23:14.potential game the fight against TB in the UK. In one way I can say that

:23:15. > :23:23.I escaped death. You can see that on the website if

:23:24. > :23:27.you want to or share it. Let me bring you some breaking news

:23:28. > :23:33.from Paris, we are getting reports that the Lupu is being evacuated

:23:34. > :23:38.after gunfire was heard. Reports are, this is being picked up on the

:23:39. > :23:42.Reuters news agency from local media sources, eyewitnesses talking about

:23:43. > :23:45.it on Twitter as well, reports are that a soldier opened fire after

:23:46. > :23:53.being attacked by a person armed with a knife, just by the Louvre, at

:23:54. > :23:58.the carousel. There is also a report on Reuters quoted a police source

:23:59. > :24:03.saying a soldier opened fire after a man tried to enter the Louvre with a

:24:04. > :24:08.suitcase, various reports coming through of what has happened there

:24:09. > :24:11.but reports the Louvre is being evacuated, no further confirmation

:24:12. > :24:13.of exactly what the situation is there, we will of course keep you

:24:14. > :24:23.updated as soon as we hear more. Snapchat is used by 600 million

:24:24. > :24:26.people across the world, it has not yet made a profit but that has not

:24:27. > :24:34.stopped it being valued at more than ?20 billion. It is about to be

:24:35. > :24:36.listed on the New York Stock Exchange. Rory Cellan-Jones has a

:24:37. > :24:38.demonstration. I've been on Snapchat

:24:39. > :24:41.for a couple of years, And now, finally,

:24:42. > :24:44.I'm determined to understand it with a younger person,

:24:45. > :24:46.Priscilla. The best thing to do

:24:47. > :24:49.with Snapchat is to take selfies. So what you do is you

:24:50. > :24:53.double tap your screen, and if you want to put a filter,

:24:54. > :24:56.you hold onto your face. I've got that filter,

:24:57. > :25:08.that filter, I've got is. To send that to

:25:09. > :25:11.someone individually, You can share your whole day

:25:12. > :25:14.with the world, Our business correspondent

:25:15. > :25:35.Aaron Heselhurst is with us to talk Have you used it? I have tried to,

:25:36. > :25:41.because my kids do! It is not really aimed at us!

:25:42. > :25:44.But the people who love it, it is a massive thing and has this huge

:25:45. > :25:47.valuation but has never made a profit?

:25:48. > :25:51.Not in its five-year history. It could possibly, going public, it

:25:52. > :25:57.will list shares on the New York Stock Exchange, it could possibly

:25:58. > :26:03.value the company $25 billion but the situation at the moment, 158

:26:04. > :26:09.million use it daily, very popular as you said with your kids, young

:26:10. > :26:18.people. In the United States, it is huge. 41% of all 18 to 34-year-olds

:26:19. > :26:22.are snapping, apparently. But how has that 25 billion being

:26:23. > :26:25.arrived that when it is not making money?

:26:26. > :26:30.This is a problem with these tech companies, we don't know until it

:26:31. > :26:38.goes to the market, it was the same with Facebook. This could be the

:26:39. > :26:43.biggest tech IPO we have seen since Facebook five years ago, that raced

:26:44. > :26:46.something like 100 billion, but a similar problem, all the experts I

:26:47. > :26:49.have spoken to this morning have said, five years ago everyone was

:26:50. > :26:54.saying to Facebook, you have to monetise your ads, monetise your

:26:55. > :26:57.users, make money from advertising, and Facebook have certainly cracked

:26:58. > :27:03.that. They told us yesterday they made $10 billion in profit will stop

:27:04. > :27:08.this is the same facing Snapchat. Things change when the product is

:27:09. > :27:11.monetised and it might put off the young, potentially...

:27:12. > :27:17.It might, advertising propping up because nothing is for free. There

:27:18. > :27:22.are lots of young people who use it. The founders, they are very young.

:27:23. > :27:32.Have we got a photo? The young chap on the left, Evan Spiegel, he is 26

:27:33. > :27:39.years old! Bobby Murphy next to him only 29. Three years ago, not long

:27:40. > :27:43.ago, Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook offered those two $3 billion cash

:27:44. > :27:51.for the company, they said, no. Too savvy for that! Is it a smart

:27:52. > :27:55.move? If the company reaches valuation of 25 billion, those two

:27:56. > :27:59.you just saw will be multi-multi billionaires indeed. And the

:28:00. > :28:06.26-year-old, Evan, I only found this out today, he is engaged to Miranda

:28:07. > :28:10.Kerr, the Aussie supermodel. I wonder, she will see a lot more in

:28:11. > :28:15.him! I'm sure he is a very nice guy,

:28:16. > :28:19.Aaron. I'm sure he is. How did they come up

:28:20. > :28:24.with the idea? That I don't know, to be honest!

:28:25. > :28:28.Like Soderbergh, it is from university, they did coding, they

:28:29. > :28:35.put this together. So bright, though, to spot that

:28:36. > :28:37.trend of where something will go and then it just unfolds.

:28:38. > :28:41.They will be very successful, whatever. We will wait and see what

:28:42. > :28:44.happens, when it goes public. There is also a question of whether there

:28:45. > :28:50.is a tech bubble out there at the moment. The tech experts I have been

:28:51. > :28:54.speaking to say, will it be Facebook or Twitter? When they compare it to

:28:55. > :28:58.Twitter, Twitter has never made a profit and its number of users has

:28:59. > :29:05.really plateaued, whereas Facebook just keeps on soaring. Anyway, it is

:29:06. > :29:07.a weight and the case. Keep us updated.

:29:08. > :29:11.Thank you very much. I want to bring you some more about what is

:29:12. > :29:16.happening at the Louvre because we are hearing from the French Interior

:29:17. > :29:19.Ministry on Twitter talking about a serious security incident taking

:29:20. > :29:27.place at the Louvre, Reuters picking up on that. Reports we were getting

:29:28. > :29:33.earlier was that the Louvre was being evacuated after a man tried to

:29:34. > :29:36.enter the Louvre, Reuters now saying a French soldier opened fire on and

:29:37. > :29:40.wounded a man armed with a knife trying to get into the museum,

:29:41. > :29:47.trying to get into the underground shop with a suitcase. The area has

:29:48. > :29:53.been evacuated and the Interior Ministry said that the incident is

:29:54. > :29:59.serious, so police have cordoned off access to the Louvre, according to

:30:00. > :30:04.eyewitnesses, and the Metro stations around it reportedly closed. There

:30:05. > :30:10.is a bit of a security lockdown obviously going on there as they

:30:11. > :30:14.evacuate the area following on from that incident. We will keep you

:30:15. > :30:20.updated. We will also be telling you a bit

:30:21. > :30:23.later about what is going on with disability payments, because it is

:30:24. > :30:27.being argued the Government should delay its planned cuts to disability

:30:28. > :30:30.benefits. We will look at the arguments for and against that. If

:30:31. > :30:35.you have any experience, do let us know your thoughts. Also, the Super

:30:36. > :30:39.Bowl kicks off on Sunday, we will be joined by some NFL fans in the

:30:40. > :30:46.studio to see how American football Isgrove and give the UK.

:30:47. > :30:53.And we are staying across the situation in Paris, we will keep you

:30:54. > :30:59.updated on the unfolding situation at the Louvre in central palace.

:31:00. > :31:02.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:31:03. > :31:04.Theresa May has arrived at the EU summit in Malta,

:31:05. > :31:07.where she will brief EU leaders on her meeting with Donald Trump,

:31:08. > :31:09.and call for NATO members to spend more on defence.

:31:10. > :31:13.Close trade and strategic ties with President Trump's

:31:14. > :31:15.administration are central to Downing Street's plans

:31:16. > :31:18.Mrs May has also said the UK will remain a "reliable

:31:19. > :31:25.A "chaotic" handling of personal data breaches is undermining

:31:26. > :31:28.confidence in the Government's ability to protect the UK

:31:29. > :31:33.That's according to the Commons Public Accounts Committee which says

:31:34. > :31:35.Ministers have taken too long to consolidate the different

:31:36. > :31:37.agencies tasked with stopping attacks.

:31:38. > :31:39.A spokesman for the Cabinet Office said a "comprehensive and ambitious

:31:40. > :31:48.national cyber security strategy" is in place.

:31:49. > :31:51.Levels of Tuberculosis are on the rise in parts of the UK,

:31:52. > :31:53.especially amongst vulnerable groups like the homeless.

:31:54. > :31:56.A special report for this programme has found that medical teams

:31:57. > :31:58.are having to employ mobile treatment units in parts of London

:31:59. > :32:03.to try to keep infection levels under control.

:32:04. > :32:13.The average car insurance premium has reached a record high of ?462

:32:14. > :32:17.That's according to the Association of British Insurers,

:32:18. > :32:20.which says repairs have become more expensive partly because of cars'

:32:21. > :32:22.increasingly complex electronics, as well as higher whiplash claims

:32:23. > :32:27.Buying in spare parts is also getting more expensive,

:32:28. > :32:35.The company that owns the instant messaging and photo app

:32:36. > :32:37.Snapchat will go public on the US stock exchange.

:32:38. > :32:40.The California-based tech firm, which allows users to send images

:32:41. > :32:42.that vanish within seconds, is set to be the biggest

:32:43. > :32:45.company to list shares in the US in recent years.

:32:46. > :32:47.Snapchat is expected to start trading at a value

:32:48. > :32:52.But market analysts have doubts about the company's

:32:53. > :32:58.Supermarkets are rationing the sale of more vegetables to cope

:32:59. > :33:02.with a shortage brought about by bad weather in Spain.

:33:03. > :33:05.It comes after similar problems with courgettes a few weeks ago.

:33:06. > :33:08.Tesco is limiting customers to three iceberg lettuces,

:33:09. > :33:11.and Morrisons is also reported to be preventing shoppers from buying more

:33:12. > :33:16.Tesco says bad weather in Spain has caused "availability issues"

:33:17. > :33:20.but that suppliers are working to resolve the problem.

:33:21. > :33:28.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:33:29. > :33:35.We will of course keep you up-to-date with the latest news we

:33:36. > :33:40.are getting out of Paris where the Louvre is reportedly being evacuated

:33:41. > :33:44.after a soldier patrolling outside opened fire after reportedly being

:33:45. > :33:49.attacked by someone armed with a knife. Somebody tried to enter the

:33:50. > :33:54.Louvre kicked is being said with a suitcase. There is a big security

:33:55. > :34:02.operation underway right now at the Louvre, we will keep you updated.

:34:03. > :34:07.Let's catch up with the sport. We waited so long for the return of

:34:08. > :34:11.Tiger Woods, he has now pulled out of the Dubai desert classic after

:34:12. > :34:16.suffering with back spasms, he was 12 shots off the lead anyway

:34:17. > :34:22.following an opening 77, he missed the cut in his first tournament in

:34:23. > :34:25.San Diego last week. Mark Hughes has confirmed reports new striker Saido

:34:26. > :34:30.Berahino served an eight-week suspension for an FA disciplinary

:34:31. > :34:36.matter. He joined Stoke city last month, but the ban was served at his

:34:37. > :34:41.previous club West Brom. The six Nations starts after their grand

:34:42. > :34:45.slam England head coach Eddie Jones thinks his side can be even better.

:34:46. > :34:49.The women's tournament starts tonight with Scotland hosting

:34:50. > :34:53.Ireland. And Great Britain get their Davis Cup campaign underway against

:34:54. > :34:57.Canada, Dan Evans will play the opening rubber after his strong

:34:58. > :35:03.performance at the Australian open. Andy Murray not in the team, he is

:35:04. > :35:04.resting at the moment. Back with more on the story is just after

:35:05. > :35:10.10am. Although gene therapy has

:35:11. > :35:12.the potential to eliminate birth defects and debilitating diseases,

:35:13. > :35:14.it also presents difficult ethical issues, with opponents claiming

:35:15. > :35:16.it's wrong to create The use of gene therapy will be

:35:17. > :35:20.debated by the Royal Society Arguing the case that gene editing

:35:21. > :35:24.should be resisted will be Kiruna Stamell a stage and screen

:35:25. > :35:26.actor with dwarfism. She made this short film for Radio

:35:27. > :37:39.4's Today Programme. Professor JohnJoe McFadden

:37:40. > :37:53.is a professor of Molecular Genetics Very eloquently putting the case for

:37:54. > :37:59.why it is something which has to be so carefully considered, what are

:38:00. > :38:03.the possibilities with Gene editing? The possibilities are enormous.

:38:04. > :38:07.Firstly to prevent children being born with devastating diseases, to

:38:08. > :38:11.prevent children being born with diseases that will give them short

:38:12. > :38:18.lifetimes are difficult lifetimes. And those are the priorities at the

:38:19. > :38:25.moment. What is your perspective on something like dwarfism which as she

:38:26. > :38:30.says does not cause pain, does not shorten life, she talks about it

:38:31. > :38:35.being a perception of what is normal, she feels no different

:38:36. > :38:40.inside. I don't think anyone working in the field would think about doing

:38:41. > :38:45.this kind of procedure which is enormously expensive and difficult

:38:46. > :38:50.for a condition like dwarfism. We are talking about this technology

:38:51. > :38:54.for life threatening diseases. Sometime in the future if this

:38:55. > :38:57.technology really takes off and becomes much easier then people will

:38:58. > :39:05.have to make other decisions then but it's just not on the radio are

:39:06. > :39:10.at the moment. -- on the radar. What you think of horror concerns about

:39:11. > :39:16.putting dwarfism into the context of Gene editing can lead to people

:39:17. > :39:20.being marginalised? It is obviously a concern, she has a wonderful life

:39:21. > :39:24.and is happy to be the kind of person that she is. I believe you

:39:25. > :39:30.should be given the choices to deal with her own children and to have

:39:31. > :39:34.the kind of children she would like to have. I don't think she or anyone

:39:35. > :39:38.else should interfere with the choices other people are able to

:39:39. > :39:42.make about the kind of children which they would like to have.

:39:43. > :39:48.Particularly if those decisions about the health and well-being of

:39:49. > :39:53.the children. I think that's the priority, who makes the decision, I

:39:54. > :39:58.think it is the parents. How slowly does technology like this unfold? It

:39:59. > :40:04.can sometimes develop more quickly than the ethics around it, how does

:40:05. > :40:11.the debate... It goes in fits and sports. People have been this kind

:40:12. > :40:15.of technology for several decades, not very successfully. There is a

:40:16. > :40:18.new technology available recently which looks like it could

:40:19. > :40:22.revolutionise the field so we will probably soon be having to make the

:40:23. > :40:27.kind of decisions about what kind of conditions ought to be treated with

:40:28. > :40:31.this technology, those are decisions which have to be made by community

:40:32. > :40:38.at large but particularly by the parents of children. Thank you very

:40:39. > :40:46.much. Just want to go live to Paris, the Louvre, this is the scene, just

:40:47. > :40:52.outside the Louvre which has been evacuated. There is a security

:40:53. > :40:57.operation underway. The French Interior Ministry talking on Twitter

:40:58. > :41:02.about a serious incident, a serious public security incident underway in

:41:03. > :41:12.the Louvre area. It's unfolded after a man with a knife, some reports say

:41:13. > :41:17.attacked a soldier and armed soldier, not quite clear what

:41:18. > :41:24.happened, but the soldier opened fire. There was it seems, the report

:41:25. > :41:29.say, a man armed with a knife and carrying a suitcase try to get into

:41:30. > :41:33.the Louvre. The soldier opened fire and the building has been evacuated

:41:34. > :41:39.and as you can see and would expect there is a heavy security presence.

:41:40. > :41:50.Let's bring in a guest joining us from Paris who can talk to us on the

:41:51. > :41:54.phone, we are going to talk to you about the politics of the EU but I

:41:55. > :42:00.know you are in Paris and whilst you don't know specifically about this

:42:01. > :42:06.incident, this is an incident unfolding in your city which has

:42:07. > :42:12.contended with some horrific times in recent months, how will people be

:42:13. > :42:19.feeling as the Louvre is at the centre of the latest security skier?

:42:20. > :42:24.Unfortunately it's another instance of what terrorists want to do, they

:42:25. > :42:28.won two straight people's minds, so they choose symbolic places -- they

:42:29. > :42:46.want to strike. If this attack was foiled it just

:42:47. > :42:49.shows the security that has been deployed to protect people is

:42:50. > :42:55.working. Indeed the Prime Minister a few days ago in the French Senate

:42:56. > :43:02.was recalling the many attacks which were prevented and foiled. But

:43:03. > :43:07.unfortunately we are living under the permanent threat and this is

:43:08. > :43:14.just a reminder. Yes it seems to have been a very swift reaction to

:43:15. > :43:18.an indication of a potential threat by an armed soldier. What are the

:43:19. > :43:24.security levels, what is the visible presence in Paris these days? Yes,

:43:25. > :43:31.indeed, since the terrorist attacks of last year, army and police forces

:43:32. > :43:35.have been deployed everywhere starting with the airport, train

:43:36. > :43:44.stations, and they are very visible everywhere. But it's the information

:43:45. > :43:50.that people are able to get and this is done today at international level

:43:51. > :43:56.that is also capable of preventing those attacks. Unfortunately we have

:43:57. > :44:03.to deal with individuals now, not just groups that will be well

:44:04. > :44:09.organised and so on, but individuals that have planned to carry out

:44:10. > :44:15.terrorist attacks and unfortunately their aim is to kill as many people

:44:16. > :44:23.and this is just another example and it's very fortunate that the soldier

:44:24. > :44:28.responded in the proper fashion. I mentioned you are here, joining us

:44:29. > :44:31.to talk more broadly about politics because you represent French

:44:32. > :44:36.citizens living abroad on the French Senate and we will talk about

:44:37. > :44:41.Brexit. But how much are security issues going to be a factor in the

:44:42. > :44:50.French elections which are upcoming? Yes indeed, we have passed many new

:44:51. > :44:56.legislation to strengthen our security and give more means,

:44:57. > :45:05.financial and also in the way the police are able to work. But I think

:45:06. > :45:10.we need to keep working on that. Obviously it is going to be one

:45:11. > :45:16.issue, as the migration issue is also going to be on the table, as

:45:17. > :45:20.economic issues and of course the EU and international affairs with

:45:21. > :45:23.Donald Trump. Yeah, I want to introduce now a couple of more

:45:24. > :45:29.guests who are going to join us for that wider discussion.

:45:30. > :45:40.We are joined by Yanis Varoufakis and Doctor Giorgio, thank you for

:45:41. > :45:46.joining us. We are going to talk about that meeting in Malta, Theresa

:45:47. > :45:51.May is going to be briefing fellow European leaders about her visit to

:45:52. > :45:58.the United States, meeting Donald Trump. There is also obviously a

:45:59. > :46:04.very significant backdrop of what the shape of a Brexit deal might

:46:05. > :46:10.look like. Yesterday the Maltese Prime Minister said the Brexit deal

:46:11. > :46:17.must be inferior to you -- to EU membership. Yanis Varoufakis, do you

:46:18. > :46:24.think that is inevitable? I very much feel the European union is very

:46:25. > :46:29.much capable of putting petty politics of mutual advantage. This

:46:30. > :46:40.was my position negotiating with them and I think London will

:46:41. > :46:47.experience these kinds of tensions for scoring political points instead

:46:48. > :46:50.of striking and agreement that is advantageous for Britain and the

:46:51. > :46:53.European Union. Dr Gyorgy Schopflin, Yanis Varoufakis talks about petty

:46:54. > :47:01.politics been put above mutual advantage. How do you see it? The

:47:02. > :47:11.European Union, if you like, is a club with its own rules. One of the

:47:12. > :47:15.central principles is that third states, which the United Kingdom is

:47:16. > :47:19.about to become, cannot be in a more advantageous position than member

:47:20. > :47:23.states, that is fundamental. Within that there are various stages before

:47:24. > :47:26.we get there, something like a final relationship should be as

:47:27. > :47:31.advantageous as possible for both sides. Both sides have something to

:47:32. > :47:36.lose, my reading is that Britain has more to lose but there is a great

:47:37. > :47:46.deal of work to be done between now and, well, not 2019 but something

:47:47. > :47:52.like 2021, 2020 two. Helen, your perspective on this, do you think

:47:53. > :48:02.Britain has to be on worst terms? I think nobody has anything to gain

:48:03. > :48:07.from a weaker UK and I don't see it as 27 countries against one, I see

:48:08. > :48:16.it as 28 countries having to negotiate the exit of this club, and

:48:17. > :48:23.of course nobody should have to lose in what is happening. Article 50 is

:48:24. > :48:28.just so unfortunate, when it was put into the treaty, it was put in as an

:48:29. > :48:35.exit door, as somebody said to me recently, that lead nowhere, because

:48:36. > :48:41.it was never intended to be used. I think now that we just have to try

:48:42. > :48:47.to make the best of the negotiations that are about to start. Thank you

:48:48. > :48:49.all very much, we will of course have coverage on BBC News today of

:48:50. > :48:51.that summit. They call it the greatest

:48:52. > :48:53.show on earth. On Sunday the New England Patriots

:48:54. > :48:58.will face the Atlanta Falcons It's also the razzmatazz

:48:59. > :49:03.and the glamour of the half time show, which this year will be

:49:04. > :49:06.headlined by Lady Gaga. 170 countries are set to tune

:49:07. > :49:08.in across the world and Americans are estimated to drink 325 million

:49:09. > :49:12.gallons of beer during the game. American football is growing

:49:13. > :49:15.here in the UK, and last year three We've got a bunch of players

:49:16. > :49:19.here and I'll be speaking First let's have a look

:49:20. > :49:28.at how the game works. I think I've got this one with some

:49:29. > :49:39.help from my friends at Weir High School

:49:40. > :49:40.in West Virginia. It's a team sport, the object

:49:41. > :49:41.is to get the ball into the end zone and score, and the defense has

:49:42. > :49:41.to stop you. There's always 11

:49:42. > :49:44.people on the field. So give got your quarterback,

:49:45. > :49:47.your running back and then you've got your five offensive lineman

:49:48. > :49:53.and four wide receivers. There's offense and

:49:54. > :49:54.then there's defense. On offense you're simply trying

:49:55. > :49:57.to move the ball down the field into the defense's end zone,

:49:58. > :49:59.and whenever you run defense The offense has four downs to get

:50:00. > :50:08.ten yards all the time, so the defense wants to stop them

:50:09. > :50:11.before the four downs And then they just switch

:50:12. > :50:14.offense and defense. Now I know the rules,

:50:15. > :50:16.but what do you wear? It's a contact sport, so we wear

:50:17. > :50:19.helmets to protect our heads, shoulder pads for our

:50:20. > :50:21.shoulders and everything. And we wear thigh pads, knee pads,

:50:22. > :50:27.hip pads to protect that. And you normally wear,

:50:28. > :50:30.just like soccer or anything Well, this is what you wear, these

:50:31. > :50:42.helmets and all the garb. Some people be watching

:50:43. > :50:49.with interest are here now - let's talk to NFL star

:50:50. > :50:51.Michael Bennett, for the Jacksonville Jaguars and some

:50:52. > :50:56.people who play the game here. Niall Scott-Grant plays

:50:57. > :50:59.for the Warriors, and is a huge Lucie Stewart plays

:51:00. > :51:02.for the London Warriors Grace Hilbourne plays

:51:03. > :51:06.for the Wembley Stallions And finally CJ also plays

:51:07. > :51:13.for the Wembley Stallions and is a massive New

:51:14. > :51:19.England Patriots fan. For people here that don't get it,

:51:20. > :51:25.you cannot overstate it, what is the equivalent of the Super Bowl, is

:51:26. > :51:31.there an equivalent? The Super Bowl is the biggest sporting event in

:51:32. > :51:34.America, I don't know if that is statistic wise but the day of the

:51:35. > :51:44.year and how everyone gets together and celebrate, it is enormous. Huge

:51:45. > :51:47.hype around it, Lady Gaga performing, those performances can

:51:48. > :51:57.go viral because sometimes they go wrong as well. Everybody takes

:51:58. > :52:01.advantage of their chance to perform at the Superbowl, the commercials

:52:02. > :52:06.around it as well, it is a whole event, and a big deal. Grace, you

:52:07. > :52:10.are here in your kit, how long have you been playing? From a year, but I

:52:11. > :52:15.played rugby for quite a while before. How does it compare to

:52:16. > :52:17.rugby, because it is more like would and football? You throw and catch a

:52:18. > :52:24.ball, that is where the comparisons stop! Why did you decide to take it

:52:25. > :52:28.up? I fell in love with it, started watching a few years ago because it

:52:29. > :52:34.is so exciting and we don't have anything similar here. Then started

:52:35. > :52:37.looking into it, found out there are a few women's teams around. Michael,

:52:38. > :52:43.what about you, when did you get into it? Sorry, not Michael, CJ! I

:52:44. > :52:53.started playing on computer consoles, and then I was just, there

:52:54. > :53:01.was an advert in the paper for a taster day and I fell in love with

:53:02. > :53:05.the game and have been playing since the advent as the years have gone

:53:06. > :53:09.on, the advancement in the equipment, the shoulder pads are not

:53:10. > :53:13.as heavy as they used to be, and some of the helmets, so once you are

:53:14. > :53:18.in the game you don't even notice it, really. What got you into it,

:53:19. > :53:24.Lucie? I had never played a contact sport before, I had a job in London

:53:25. > :53:28.and was looking for a way to get fit... That is quite a big leap to

:53:29. > :53:35.take to get bit! There are easier ways! I tried a boot camp and some

:53:36. > :53:38.boxing classes, tried American football but when I went along to

:53:39. > :53:48.the London Warriors and met with the women there, I just fell in love

:53:49. > :53:52.with it. And you, Niall? I was going to get healthy, I was a bigger guy

:53:53. > :53:57.ten years ago and I thought, what is the best way of getting involved? I

:53:58. > :54:01.played rugby before at school and the moment I started playing

:54:02. > :54:05.American football, two weeks and I got my first fact, that was it, it

:54:06. > :54:11.was an addiction! How popular is it here, Michael? You are active here

:54:12. > :54:13.in trying to popularise it? It is getting more popular every year,

:54:14. > :54:19.they were telling me last year was the first year that the Colts got

:54:20. > :54:25.booed when the Jaguars and the Colts played at Wembley, so people are

:54:26. > :54:31.really starting to get into it. I know something that the Jaguars do

:54:32. > :54:35.with the local kids... What is that? It is a game that is not fully

:54:36. > :54:41.fledged football but teaching the kids rules about football and it has

:54:42. > :54:46.doubled in size in just one year, so people are really starting to grab

:54:47. > :54:51.onto football and find interest in it. British football obviously is

:54:52. > :54:54.not big in the States like it is here, they will always be big in

:54:55. > :54:58.their own market and niche in the other? Yes, British football is

:54:59. > :55:01.getting a lot bigger in the States, getting more media coverage and

:55:02. > :55:05.people are paying attention to read more so it is good to see American

:55:06. > :55:08.football is getting more coverage of the year, people are finding

:55:09. > :55:16.interest in it. And you will all be watching the Superbowl on Sunday?

:55:17. > :55:19.Definitely! Even if you never watch American football, the Superbowl is

:55:20. > :55:25.something that gets huge coverage, you cannot miss it. It is such a

:55:26. > :55:28.show, and where our sports here are great, there is no atmosphere like

:55:29. > :55:32.the American sports have. Like Michael said, the Superbowl

:55:33. > :55:37.epitomises everything about American sport that is so great to watch, so

:55:38. > :55:42.it is a great celebration of sport and atmosphere. Is that what you

:55:43. > :55:47.like about it? Watching the game within the game, watching how the

:55:48. > :55:52.fence reacts to the defense, and also a great opportunity for me to

:55:53. > :55:59.get with my team-mates and eat chicken and have a social as well!

:56:00. > :56:03.Niall, I said I found the explainer confusing, is it a difficult sport

:56:04. > :56:08.to understand? Once you know the basics it really all falls together.

:56:09. > :56:13.After that, it is the grasp of what four downs are, where they are

:56:14. > :56:18.trying to get to, everything works out, it is like a chess game if

:56:19. > :56:23.anything. Once you get your head for that, it is easy. I like that

:56:24. > :56:31.explanation! Do you need to understand it to watch and enjoy it,

:56:32. > :56:35.CJ? It helps, but just watching it, seeing the action, even if you don't

:56:36. > :56:42.understand it, just watching big plays and big hits, seeing the crowd

:56:43. > :56:48.reaction, it captivates you. What is the atmosphere like at a big game in

:56:49. > :56:52.the US? It is hard to describe, when I think about the crowded stadium, a

:56:53. > :56:56.night game or something like that, the best way I can describe is when

:56:57. > :57:00.you are on the field, 3rd down, you can feel the vibrations from the

:57:01. > :57:05.crowd yelling through the field. If I'm talking to my team, we cannot

:57:06. > :57:10.hear each other. I have never experienced anything like it so far

:57:11. > :57:14.that could beat just that moment of trying to work with your team-mates

:57:15. > :57:19.in a big game to overcome the other team who is playing a great game as

:57:20. > :57:25.well. It is hard to describe just how exhilarating that is. And to get

:57:26. > :57:30.to the level that you are at in the states must, there must be so much

:57:31. > :57:34.competition because presumably most little boys at school and a lot of

:57:35. > :57:39.little girls as well want to go into what you are doing? Yes, in America

:57:40. > :57:46.I think it is a lot of people streamed to make it to the NFL. I

:57:47. > :57:51.know it was my dream. When I first started football, I wanted to go to

:57:52. > :57:56.the NFL, so I am proud to accomplish that. It takes a lot, some of it is

:57:57. > :57:59.getting lucky but most of it is hard work and as being in the right place

:58:00. > :58:08.at the right time and making plays when you are supposed to. Nice to

:58:09. > :58:10.talk to you all, enjoy the Superbowl.

:58:11. > :58:14.Let's bring you up-to-date with what is happening in Paris, we have those

:58:15. > :58:20.pictures of the Louvre that we can show you, a big security operation

:58:21. > :58:23.is underway after the Louvre was evacuated. The French Interior

:58:24. > :58:30.Ministry talking about a serious public security incident, French

:58:31. > :58:34.soldier opened fire after reports that he was attacked by a man armed

:58:35. > :58:42.with a knife, also reports that a man with a suitcase try to get into

:58:43. > :58:51.the Louvre and so the soldier opened fire, the man described as seriously

:58:52. > :58:56.injured after those events unfolded. Right now there is a large security

:58:57. > :58:59.presence outside the Louvre and people have been evacuated from the

:59:00. > :59:06.area, so we are going to keep you right up to date with what is

:59:07. > :59:11.happening there. Let's get the weather with Nick.

:59:12. > :59:17.There is a fair amount of dry, sunny weather out there at the moment but

:59:18. > :59:21.that is not the case in south-west England and eventually Wales. True

:59:22. > :59:26.to the middle of the day because we have got rain moving in, some of the

:59:27. > :59:31.heavy side, the wind picking up as well. North and east of that we will

:59:32. > :59:34.hold onto the dry, occasionally sunny weather well into the

:59:35. > :59:43.afternoon but eventually the rain pushes to south-west Scotland at the

:59:44. > :59:46.east of Northern Ireland. A cold feeling day, not just the rain

:59:47. > :59:50.moving did north-west England, the Midlands and South East England, the

:59:51. > :59:55.Channel Islands could see 60, 70 mph gusts, maybe 40, 50 on the south

:59:56. > :59:59.coast of England, gusty inland as well and the strong wind

:00:00. > :00:03.transferring to the east of the UK overnight, and it picks up in

:00:04. > :00:06.Scotland for Saturday morning. Rain and hill snow pushing north

:00:07. > :00:09.overnight. England and Wales a bit calmer, some frost on Saturday

:00:10. > :00:13.morning. Saturday has this low-pressure glancing across the far

:00:14. > :00:18.south-east of England. Some rain and hill snow in Scotland, but between

:00:19. > :00:23.those it is a fine and dry Saturday and Sunday.

:00:24. > :00:24.Hello it's Friday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling.

:00:25. > :00:27.A French soldier on guard at the Louvre in Paris has opened

:00:28. > :00:29.fire at a suspected attacker, media reports say.

:00:30. > :00:31.We'll bring you the latest on this developing stories.

:00:32. > :00:38.Unfortunately it's another incident of what terrorists want to do,

:00:39. > :00:40.strike people's minds so they choose symbolic places.

:00:41. > :00:43.We'll be joined in the studio by some of people affected

:00:44. > :00:47.It comes as MPs ask the government to delay the cuts.

:00:48. > :00:49.Supermarkets are rationing the sale of more vegetables to cope

:00:50. > :00:52.with a shortage brought about by bad weather in Spain.

:00:53. > :01:05.We'll look at how supermarkets and farmers are tackling the problem.

:01:06. > :01:12.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:01:13. > :01:15.Our top story this hour - those reports from Paris that

:01:16. > :01:18.a French soldier has shot and wounded a man armed with a knife

:01:19. > :01:20.who was trying to enter the Louvre museum

:01:21. > :01:23.The interior ministry described the incident as "serious".

:01:24. > :01:25.Streets in the area have been cordoned off

:01:26. > :01:34.The head of Paris police has also said a second man has been arrested

:01:35. > :01:36.in connection with the incident. Theresa May has arrived

:01:37. > :01:39.at the EU summit in Malta, where she will brief EU leaders

:01:40. > :01:42.on her meeting with Donald Trump, and call for NATO members

:01:43. > :01:52.to spend more on defence. The Prime Minister is expected to

:01:53. > :01:53.stress that she wants a positive and constructive relationship with the

:01:54. > :01:56.remaining 27 EU countries. Mrs May has also said the UK

:01:57. > :01:58.will remain a "reliable A "chaotic" handling of personal

:01:59. > :02:04.data breaches is undermining confidence in the Government's

:02:05. > :02:06.ability to protect the UK That's according to the Commons

:02:07. > :02:09.Public Accounts Committee which says Ministers have taken too long

:02:10. > :02:12.to consolidate the different agencies tasked with

:02:13. > :02:13.stopping attacks. A spokesman for the Cabinet Office

:02:14. > :02:15.said a "comprehensive and ambitious national cyber security

:02:16. > :02:21.strategy" is in place. The average car insurance premium

:02:22. > :02:23.has reached a record high That's according to the Association

:02:24. > :02:28.of British Insurers, which says repairs have become more

:02:29. > :02:31.expensive partly because of cars' increasingly complex electronics,

:02:32. > :02:34.as well as higher whiplash claims Buying in spare parts is also

:02:35. > :02:40.getting more expensive, The company that owns the instant

:02:41. > :02:46.messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public

:02:47. > :02:54.on the US stock exchange. The California-based tech firm,

:02:55. > :02:56.which allows users to send images that vanish within seconds,

:02:57. > :02:59.is set to be the biggest company to list shares

:03:00. > :03:01.in the US in recent years. Snapchat is expected

:03:02. > :03:03.to start trading at a value But market analysts have

:03:04. > :03:06.doubts about the company's Supermarkets are rationing the sale

:03:07. > :03:13.of more vegetables to cope with a shortage brought about by bad

:03:14. > :03:15.weather in Spain. It comes after similar problems

:03:16. > :03:19.with courgettes a few weeks ago. Tesco is limiting customers

:03:20. > :03:22.to three iceberg lettuces, and Morrisons is also reported to be

:03:23. > :03:25.preventing shoppers from buying more Tesco says bad weather in Spain has

:03:26. > :03:30.caused "availability issues" but that suppliers are working

:03:31. > :03:40.to resolve the problem. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:03:41. > :03:56.News - more at 10.30am. Let's bring you up to date with what

:03:57. > :03:58.is happening in Louvre. We are getting comments from the police

:03:59. > :04:05.chief who says the attacker had launched himself at the soldier who

:04:06. > :04:14.was slightly injured. The soldier opened fire, firing several bullets

:04:15. > :04:18.and the attacker is badly injured as a result, gravely wounded the police

:04:19. > :04:25.chief says including in the stomach, five shots fired at him. The

:04:26. > :04:31.attacker was carrying two backpacks but neither had explosives. The head

:04:32. > :04:36.of the police saying that remarks by the attacker had led police to

:04:37. > :04:45.believe he wanted to carry out a terrorist attack. Searches are

:04:46. > :04:50.obviously ongoing at the moment at the building, big security

:04:51. > :04:56.operation, serious security operation at the Interior Ministry

:04:57. > :05:00.is saying but a swift reaction by an armed soldier outside the Louvre

:05:01. > :05:08.weather was an indication of a potential threat. This is the

:05:09. > :05:13.aftermath of that incident which has just started to unfold in the last

:05:14. > :05:18.hour or so. The area has been evacuated and the Metro station

:05:19. > :05:23.which is right by the Louvre reportedly closed. We are of course

:05:24. > :05:27.staying across what is happening and we will keep you up-to-date with any

:05:28. > :05:35.developments as we get them. Let's catch up with the sport. Mark Hughes

:05:36. > :05:40.has confirmed his new striker Saido Berahino served an eight-week FA

:05:41. > :05:45.suspension last year. It follows newspaper reports today that he was

:05:46. > :05:50.banned after failing out of competition drugs test he joined

:05:51. > :05:54.Stoke last month and Mark Hughes says he is available for selection

:05:55. > :05:59.against old club West Brom tomorrow. Tiger Woods says he feels terrible

:06:00. > :06:03.having to withdraw from the Dubai desert classic with a bad back. Only

:06:04. > :06:07.his second tournament appearance after three back operations in the

:06:08. > :06:13.past 19 months. He said he was not in pain during the competition, he

:06:14. > :06:16.was 12 shots off the lead, the problem apparently came on late last

:06:17. > :06:21.night when he had a spasm in his lower back. The six Nations begins

:06:22. > :06:25.at the weekend, Scotland host Ireland, England take on France and

:06:26. > :06:29.Wales travel to Italy, last year England secured a grand slam and in

:06:30. > :06:35.fact they went unbeaten in all of 2016 so will be the favourites this

:06:36. > :06:40.time around. Preparation has been good, I think the concern is when

:06:41. > :06:44.you prepare so well you can be complacent going into a game. So we

:06:45. > :06:48.have had a really good week this week, it rained that training which

:06:49. > :06:52.I think is a good thing, greasy ball, a few dropped balls to keep

:06:53. > :06:59.people on edge. The challenge from here into the game is sharpening the

:07:00. > :07:03.axe mentally. Before we go, also the Davis Cup this weekend, Great

:07:04. > :07:08.Britain without Andy Murray who is being rested, they play Canada later

:07:09. > :07:14.on, Dan Evans in the opening rubber. I will be back with the sport

:07:15. > :07:23.headlines around 11:30am. Let's get the latest out of Paris, Louvre on

:07:24. > :07:30.lockdown, a man armed with a knife, it is being reported it is a

:07:31. > :07:42.machete, he was outside the Louvre, and armed soldier opened fire after

:07:43. > :07:49.it is reported the attacker shouted and the soldier shot and seriously

:07:50. > :07:55.injured a man outside the Louvre who they feared wanted to enter the

:07:56. > :08:00.Louvre with a suitcase. The head of police in Paris said the attacker

:08:01. > :08:08.had two backpacks but neither had explosives in them. This is the live

:08:09. > :08:14.scene where you see a heavy security presence. It is a serious public

:08:15. > :08:22.security issue. The entire building has been evacuated. The area has

:08:23. > :08:29.been cleared whilst they deal with the aftermath of the incident. The

:08:30. > :08:33.man armed with a knife, some reports say it was a machete, no seriously

:08:34. > :08:40.injured having been shot at five times by a soldier who opened fire

:08:41. > :08:47.after some reports say being attacked by the man wielding the

:08:48. > :08:51.knife, but as you can imagine reports are conflicting in these

:08:52. > :08:54.early stages as the incident just started unfolding in the past hour

:08:55. > :09:00.or so. That is the latest from the scene. Earlier I spoke to a member

:09:01. > :09:07.of the Senate of France who gave us this reaction. Unfortunately it's

:09:08. > :09:12.another instance of what terrorists want to do, they want to strike

:09:13. > :09:22.people's minds and therefore they choose symbolic places. It was

:09:23. > :09:27.reinforcement of security forces under the main tourist places in

:09:28. > :09:30.Paris, and obviously Louvre is one of them. If this attack was foiled

:09:31. > :09:38.it just shows the security that has been deployed to protect people is

:09:39. > :09:43.working. Indeed the Prime Minister a few days ago in the French Senate

:09:44. > :09:49.was recalling the many attacks which were prevented and foiled.

:09:50. > :09:54.Unfortunately we are living under the permanent threat and this is

:09:55. > :10:00.just a reminder of it. Since the terrorist attacks of last year the

:10:01. > :10:05.army and police forces have been deployed everywhere starting with

:10:06. > :10:10.the airports, train stations, and they are very visible everywhere.

:10:11. > :10:17.Unfortunately we have two deal with individuals now, not just grips

:10:18. > :10:22.groups which will be well organised and so on, but individuals who have

:10:23. > :10:28.plans to carry out terrorist attacks and unfortunately they aim to kill

:10:29. > :10:35.as many people as possible and this is just another example. It's very

:10:36. > :10:39.fortunate that the soldier responded in the proper fashion. Let's take a

:10:40. > :10:46.look at the scene where the security operation continues outside the

:10:47. > :10:51.Louvre. We can also bring in the former French Foreign Minister from

:10:52. > :11:06.2007-2010, thank you for joining us, what is urea action? Well, at around

:11:07. > :11:18.10am a man tried to assassinate, a man wielding two naive scald

:11:19. > :11:29.machetes, he winded the soldier. Immediately and other soldier shot

:11:30. > :11:40.the man and wounded hemmer -- him heavily. In the place was full of

:11:41. > :11:46.tourists, the Louvre, the pyramid, it is heavily guarded like the other

:11:47. > :11:52.places where the tourists are. Nobody was wounded but the soldier

:11:53. > :12:03.and the man with the naive spot no tourists were injured at all. --

:12:04. > :12:10.with the naive this -- with the knives. Apparently security is

:12:11. > :12:23.coming from the soldiers and the police and it was very well done and

:12:24. > :12:31.nobody was wounded. Where you there as this was happening? Sorry? Where

:12:32. > :12:35.you there as this was happening? No, I did not say that, you just called

:12:36. > :12:43.me and I was aware of what was going on half an hour ago but I was not in

:12:44. > :12:49.the Louvre, not at all. You talk about the swift reaction from the

:12:50. > :12:55.soldier who was there the moment something of concern started to

:12:56. > :13:02.unfold, obviously France has had some very difficult lessons in being

:13:03. > :13:06.prepared for all eventualities. Yes, we are prepared for such an attack

:13:07. > :13:11.and it was in the middle of a group of tourists so they reacted the

:13:12. > :13:20.proper way. Congratulations to the patrol and the soldiers, yes. What

:13:21. > :13:25.will the reaction the board widely -- what will the reaction be more

:13:26. > :13:30.widely do you think, this is an indication of a security level which

:13:31. > :13:37.has reacted very swiftly to something potentially happening. You

:13:38. > :13:43.are right, not an indication, the man was alone, he did not fire, he

:13:44. > :13:50.was just armed with two knives, this is the sort of person, in individual

:13:51. > :13:57.reaction, it is difficult to prevent. But the way they reacted

:13:58. > :14:04.was a good way. What impact is is having on the French mindset? Sorry?

:14:05. > :14:06.What impact, all of these incidents, what impact is it having on the

:14:07. > :14:10.French mindset? Sorry? What impact, all of these incidents, what impact

:14:11. > :14:14.is it having only French psyche? I don't know, this is a fresh

:14:15. > :14:20.incident, I don't know. But from the Minister of the interior underlining

:14:21. > :14:33.that the answer was quick and efficient. Is this a sort of going

:14:34. > :14:38.to be a key factor in the elections which are upcoming? No, no, no. We

:14:39. > :14:45.are unfortunately aware of the danger. This is not the end, all

:14:46. > :14:49.around the Louvre and everywhere, including the station, they are

:14:50. > :14:55.looking for some people, I don't know exactly, it seems that the

:14:56. > :15:01.attacker was alone but the security operation is still going on around

:15:02. > :15:06.the Louvre. The wider security issues for France, the terror

:15:07. > :15:12.threat, how much of a factor is that in politics at the moment? I don't

:15:13. > :15:16.think, I mean all the candidates are aware about the danger and that is

:15:17. > :15:25.why our operation is protecting the people constantly for months and

:15:26. > :15:36.months. It was, as I told you, this is not a triumph, it is a pity, but

:15:37. > :15:40.the French soldiers were efficient in answering. Thank you for joining

:15:41. > :15:47.us, the situation is the security lockdown continues at the Louvre

:15:48. > :15:53.foyer a man armed with eight knife, we were just hearing it was two

:15:54. > :16:02.machetes, went to apparently attack at soldier, and an armed soldier

:16:03. > :16:12.opened fire on the man who according to reports shouted God is in Arabic.

:16:13. > :16:15.-- God is great, in Arabic. The man was shot five times and there is now

:16:16. > :16:21.a major security operation is underway.

:16:22. > :16:23.A group of MPs is calling on the Government to delay cutting

:16:24. > :16:26.disability benefits until it clarifies how it will support those

:16:27. > :16:33.From April, the allowance is set to be reduced for new claimants

:16:34. > :16:40.It means they will get the same as those on Job Seeker's Allowance.

:16:41. > :16:42.From April 2017, Employment and Support Allowance,

:16:43. > :16:45.for those deemed fit to look for work, will be cut by ?29.05.

:16:46. > :16:48.New benefit for disabled people deemed fit to look for work will be

:16:49. > :16:50.same as Job Seekers Allowance, ?73.10, per week.

:16:51. > :16:55.The measure is expected to save ?450 million

:16:56. > :17:01.We can now speak to Labour MP Frank Field,

:17:02. > :17:04.the Chairman of the Work and Pensions Select Committee.

:17:05. > :17:07.Also Sue Bott from Disability Rights UK, the charity

:17:08. > :17:17.We're joined by Tracey Lazard from Inclusion London,

:17:18. > :17:21.And from our Leeds studio, Keran Bunker - he has

:17:22. > :17:23.Asperger's syndrome, and is currently on the benefit

:17:24. > :17:30.Thank you all for joining us. Frank Field, I know that your committee

:17:31. > :17:33.thinks the cuts should be delayed until there is further clarification

:17:34. > :17:37.on how they will be implemented and what protections there will be for

:17:38. > :17:44.people who will be affected. What are your primary concern is? Our

:17:45. > :17:48.worry is the cuts will be made that will save ?1 billion in this

:17:49. > :17:53.Parliament and it will be at the expense of many disabled people who

:17:54. > :17:57.literally cannot work. The Government's argument is that people

:17:58. > :18:03.will be able to jump into work when they make these cuts. Our counter to

:18:04. > :18:08.that is if they are so confident everybody is going to be able to get

:18:09. > :18:12.up and jump into work, why not make sure their support mechanisms are in

:18:13. > :18:16.place for those who cannot do so because the Government will prove us

:18:17. > :18:21.wrong, make their savings, everybody will be happy. Our worry is this is

:18:22. > :18:27.just another cut in the welfare budget which will push even more

:18:28. > :18:30.people down into desperation. The Government says the savings will be

:18:31. > :18:35.invested in a new support package for the most vulnerable. We are

:18:36. > :18:39.saying the support package should be in place before any cut on new

:18:40. > :18:42.claimants. This is not existing claimants, we are talking about new

:18:43. > :18:46.claimants, it should be in place before the Government makes the

:18:47. > :18:50.changes. If they are so confident it is about support measures rather

:18:51. > :18:55.than cuts, why are they chalking up ?1 billion saving by the end of the

:18:56. > :18:58.parliament? The Government says the number of disabled people in work

:18:59. > :19:02.has increased by 600,000 in the last three years which would indicate the

:19:03. > :19:09.changes being made are giving a greater incentive to people going

:19:10. > :19:13.into work? Nobody wants to dispute that the new Secretary of State,

:19:14. > :19:17.Damian Green, has made sure that the most disabled people are not going

:19:18. > :19:21.to be roughed up by having medicals and being required to go through the

:19:22. > :19:26.process of applying for jobs and so on, really good. No-one is denying

:19:27. > :19:30.progress has been made, but we are in the foothills of the mountain to

:19:31. > :19:36.climb because the Government said it was a pledge now aspiration to halve

:19:37. > :19:39.the employment rate -- the difference in employment rate

:19:40. > :19:42.between disabled people and the rest of the population. One piece of

:19:43. > :19:47.evidence the committee looked at is the current rates, not over history,

:19:48. > :19:52.the current rate it would take 200 years to meet that target. We make

:19:53. > :19:57.lots of recommendations about how we hope the Government will achieve

:19:58. > :20:06.that objective before 200 years are up because I probably won't be here

:20:07. > :20:10.by then! But we are pleased with the Government's intent and seriousness,

:20:11. > :20:14.but varies no way they have got a plan yet to achieve those employment

:20:15. > :20:19.objectives, and yet they are going ahead with new claimants to cut

:20:20. > :20:26.benefits and most of the cuts since the banking crisis to balance the

:20:27. > :20:30.budget have been made on people who are touring the benefits. Tracey,

:20:31. > :20:36.you work with promoting the rights of deaf and disabled people. What

:20:37. > :20:40.are your concerns here? Well, the cut to employment support allowance

:20:41. > :20:44.will be devastating. ?30 a week might be nothing to some people, a

:20:45. > :20:48.good bottle of wine, but for disabled people in the work-related

:20:49. > :20:53.activity group this is a third of their income. But it is not existing

:20:54. > :20:59.claimants, so people are not losing it, it is new people coming into the

:21:00. > :21:03.system... They are facing exactly the same circumstances and again

:21:04. > :21:09.another perverse consequence is if disabled people on the WR AG group

:21:10. > :21:12.go into employment and are not able to sustain that implement, which

:21:13. > :21:18.often happens because access to work packages are not in place, they will

:21:19. > :21:23.come out of employment, get sacked, then be treated as a new claimants.

:21:24. > :21:27.On that point, let's bring in Keran, because that is something you are

:21:28. > :21:33.concerned about. You have been on this allowance since 2013, tell us

:21:34. > :21:37.what your situation has been, have you tried to look for work and how

:21:38. > :21:47.do you see potentially the changes affecting you? I have a couple of

:21:48. > :21:52.times but I'm worried that basically, as the lady was saying,

:21:53. > :21:58.if I was to find work, my biggest fear is now that having to return to

:21:59. > :22:03.the benefit I would lose out, so I think, how is the best way to

:22:04. > :22:08.explain it, I am not looking for work unless I know it will be

:22:09. > :22:13.definitely right for me. Could I does make the point as well, half of

:22:14. > :22:17.the people in the WRAG group of people with learning difficulties,

:22:18. > :22:21.people with complex mental health issues, people with ass burgers,

:22:22. > :22:26.these are groups of disabled people but experience the worst

:22:27. > :22:32.discrimination and as a consequence have the lowest employment rates --

:22:33. > :22:37.with ass Burgess. The employment allowance recognises that, it is a

:22:38. > :22:41.civilised response to a situation where people are unable to work and

:22:42. > :22:45.that will be the case for a considerable amount of time. To put

:22:46. > :22:50.people on the GSA equivalent is punishing people and property for

:22:51. > :22:58.six months is very different property three years. Sue, you are

:22:59. > :23:01.from Disability Rights UK, what is your view on this? I agree with

:23:02. > :23:07.everything that has been said until now. I would like to make the point

:23:08. > :23:13.that it takes disabled people a lot longer to get into work and find

:23:14. > :23:18.work, and I think that we have to understand that the JF A-level is

:23:19. > :23:25.very difficult for all claimants, not just for disabled people. For

:23:26. > :23:29.disabled people it is going to be even worse because they are going to

:23:30. > :23:38.have to live with that low level of benefit for much longer and really

:23:39. > :23:43.there is no evidence this would be an incentive. In fact, it would be

:23:44. > :23:54.the exact opposite. Putting people into poverty really means they have

:23:55. > :23:57.to focus all their efforts on surviving on a day-to-day basis and

:23:58. > :24:05.are not in a position to be able to work. If the Government is so

:24:06. > :24:08.confident that we will all jump into jobs, they will get their saving, so

:24:09. > :24:14.why not put the support mechanisms in place before they do it? This is

:24:15. > :24:18.the argument... I wanted to put to you what George Osborne said as

:24:19. > :24:24.Chancellor, he outlined the plan is back in 2015... He has probably

:24:25. > :24:29.changed his mind now! He said then that the system as it has been

:24:30. > :24:33.created perverse incentives preventing disabled people returning

:24:34. > :24:37.to work and at that point he said the number of people claiming out of

:24:38. > :24:45.what disability benefits had fallen by 90,000 since 2010. The committee

:24:46. > :24:50.is not against change, not against change for new claimants, although

:24:51. > :24:55.we have heard that there is a recycling of claimants as they lose

:24:56. > :24:59.jobs. The committee's case is very clear, if the Government is really

:25:00. > :25:03.so confident that it is going to be that easy for this large group of

:25:04. > :25:08.people, disabled people, to move into work, why won't they concede,

:25:09. > :25:12.as the Conservative members on the committee have demanded, not just

:25:13. > :25:17.Labour members, to say that they should have the support measures in

:25:18. > :25:20.place, the safety net in place, for those people actually cannot

:25:21. > :25:26.successfully immediately make that jump? Is it clear, actually, because

:25:27. > :25:33.there are sometimes reassessments, if somebody was reassessed, would

:25:34. > :25:40.they count as a new claimant? Yes. They are pushed out. Or disabled

:25:41. > :25:46.purple in the support group who wants to try out work-related will

:25:47. > :25:51.suddenly find that their income is cut by that much. And let's not

:25:52. > :25:56.forget that the funding for the new employment support programme is just

:25:57. > :26:00.one fifth of what it was previously, so all of the infrastructure to

:26:01. > :26:06.support disabled people back into work has been shrunk by 80%. Keran,

:26:07. > :26:10.a quick final word from you because obviously there is a focus on trying

:26:11. > :26:13.to reduce the disability employment gap. How much help have you had in

:26:14. > :26:18.terms of getting back into the workplace? Due to my health

:26:19. > :26:22.conditions, not a great deal at the moment. I have tried a couple of

:26:23. > :26:28.times to be looking to get back into work, but I have found it difficult.

:26:29. > :26:35.I am worried if they cut the money and say I was a new claimant, being

:26:36. > :26:37.back in that position again, that I would seriously struggle, and it

:26:38. > :26:41.would make the situation a lot worse. I think I would be a lot

:26:42. > :26:46.worse off than I am now in the position I am to try and find work.

:26:47. > :26:51.What Keran says is true, and the idea that disabled people can make

:26:52. > :26:56.this jump is, for the reasons that Sue was saying, difficult enough to

:26:57. > :27:03.exist on the benefit, we are talking about ?100 a week. I see in my

:27:04. > :27:08.constituency how people are ground down by this. To say, you are

:27:09. > :27:12.disabled people and you have to jump into work when the job market is

:27:13. > :27:17.going to be very tight anyway, and the support mechanisms are not going

:27:18. > :27:19.to be in place, I think it is actually impossible and, as you

:27:20. > :27:29.rightly say, it is a George Osborne packet and think Mrs May needs to

:27:30. > :27:34.decide to pause this until we ensure that it is a safe movement of

:27:35. > :27:34.disabled people from benefit into work.

:27:35. > :27:36.Thank you very much, thank you. This morning the Department for Work

:27:37. > :27:39.and Pensions told us that, "The number of disabled people

:27:40. > :27:41.in work has increased by almost They also said that,

:27:42. > :27:45."Of the 2.5 million individuals claiming

:27:46. > :27:53.the Employment Support Allowance, over half - 1.3 million -

:27:54. > :27:56.also claim an additional This is a separate payment

:27:57. > :28:07.which helps people with the extra Let's go back to Paris, the public

:28:08. > :28:10.prosecutor 's office has said that anti-terror police are opening an

:28:11. > :28:13.investigation into the attack at the Louvre.

:28:14. > :28:20.Police gave this update a short while ago. TRANSLATION: It happened

:28:21. > :28:23.at 10am this morning, nearly escalated at the entrance to the

:28:24. > :28:28.Louvre Museum. An attacker which had at least a machete and possibly

:28:29. > :28:34.another weapon and was wearing a backpack rushed towards and attacked

:28:35. > :28:38.policemen and soldiers while shouting threats, including Allahu

:28:39. > :28:44.Akbar. Let's take you live to the scene

:28:45. > :28:48.right now, that security operation still ongoing. The latest that we

:28:49. > :28:53.are hearing is that the French Interior Ministry is saying that the

:28:54. > :28:57.identity and nationality of the Louvre attacked the suspect is not

:28:58. > :29:01.yet known, and an investigation has been opened into the attack, the

:29:02. > :29:08.public prosecutor 's office has said. It is an incident that has

:29:09. > :29:14.unfolded very quickly at the Louvre, just after 10am this morning our

:29:15. > :29:20.time, and man reportedly shouting Allahu Akbar and armed, some reports

:29:21. > :29:30.say, with up two machetes was shot at by an armed soldier outside the

:29:31. > :29:35.Louvre, hit with five gunshots, now in a grave condition and the

:29:36. > :29:40.security operation is still ongoing at the Louvre, the museum has been

:29:41. > :29:45.evacuated. We will keep you updated, of course.

:29:46. > :29:49.Also, supermarket ration vegetables to cope with a shortage caused by

:29:50. > :29:53.bad weather abroad. And, after nearly 50 years, Black

:29:54. > :29:56.Sabbath are hanging up their guitars. We will be looking back at

:29:57. > :30:04.the band credited with inventing heavy metal.

:30:05. > :30:16.Let's get the latest from the newsroom.

:30:17. > :30:28.The Paris police chief says the man shouted Alluha Akbar as he rushed

:30:29. > :30:32.that a group of soldiers and police outside the building. The incident

:30:33. > :30:36.has been described as serious and a second man has been arrested in

:30:37. > :30:44.connection to the incident. This is the scene at the attack in Paris,

:30:45. > :30:54.the police involved in a brief news conference answering questions for

:30:55. > :30:57.the media, it is understood the identity of the attacker and his

:30:58. > :30:59.nationality is not yet known. We will bring you every detail as it

:31:00. > :31:02.comes to us. Theresa May has arrived

:31:03. > :31:05.at the EU summit in Malta, where she will brief EU leaders

:31:06. > :31:08.on her meeting with Donald Trump, and call for NATO members

:31:09. > :31:10.to spend more on defence. The Prime Minister is expected

:31:11. > :31:13.to stress that in spite of Brexit she wants a positive

:31:14. > :31:15.and constructive relationship Mrs May will also say the UK

:31:16. > :31:19.will remain a "reliable There's strong criticism this

:31:20. > :31:22.morning of government plans to enhance Britain's cyber

:31:23. > :31:23.security. The Commons Public Accounts

:31:24. > :31:25.Committee says there's what it calls "an alphabet soup" of agencies

:31:26. > :31:28.tasked with stopping attacks and better co-ordination

:31:29. > :31:32.was taking too long. A spokesman for the Cabinet Office

:31:33. > :31:34.said a "comprehensive and ambitious national cyber security strategy"

:31:35. > :31:39.was in place. The company that owns the instant

:31:40. > :31:41.messaging and photo app Snapchat will go public

:31:42. > :31:48.on the US stock exchange. The California-based tech firm,

:31:49. > :31:50.which allows users to send images that vanish within seconds,

:31:51. > :31:52.is set to be the biggest company to list shares

:31:53. > :31:55.in the US in recent years. Snapchat is expected

:31:56. > :31:57.to start trading at a value But market analysts have

:31:58. > :32:01.doubts about the company's That's a summary of the latest

:32:02. > :32:18.news, join me for BBC On Monday we are holding a special

:32:19. > :32:22.programme looking at the state of the NHS, we will look at the

:32:23. > :32:27.problems it is facing and ask for your help for solutions, if you work

:32:28. > :32:30.in the NHS, doctor, nurse, or consultant or are a patient with

:32:31. > :32:40.recent experience we would like you to take part.

:32:41. > :32:49.Let's catch up with the sport. The return of Tiger Woods to golf

:32:50. > :32:53.was long-awaited but he has only managed three rounds so far this

:32:54. > :32:59.year and has now pulled out of the Dubai desert classic after suffering

:33:00. > :33:06.with back spasms. He had an opening 77 and was 12 shots of the lead. --

:33:07. > :33:11.off the lead. Stoke city manager Mark Hughes has confirmed reports

:33:12. > :33:14.that new striker Saido Berahino 78 week suspension for an FA

:33:15. > :33:22.disciplinary matter. He joined the club in January, but served the ban

:33:23. > :33:25.at his previous club, West Brom -- has served the eight-week

:33:26. > :33:28.suspension. Eddie Jones thinks his England rugby side can be even

:33:29. > :33:37.better. The women's six Nations begins tonight with Scotland host in

:33:38. > :33:42.Ireland. Dan Evans will play in the opening rubber for Great Britain in

:33:43. > :33:44.the Davis Cup against Canada. Andy Murray is not in the team, he is

:33:45. > :33:49.resting at the moment. Supermarkets across the UK have

:33:50. > :33:51.started rationing some vegetables and salads -

:33:52. > :33:53.because of a shortage. Supplies have been disrupted

:33:54. > :33:56.in recent weeks by poor growing Britain imports around

:33:57. > :33:58.half its vegetables In our Hull studio is Lord Haskins -

:33:59. > :34:07.he's the former chairman of Northern Foods which supplies to

:34:08. > :34:10.Tesco. And in Halstead, North Essex

:34:11. > :34:12.is Mitchelle Redman - he runs a fruit supplier business

:34:13. > :34:25.and joins us from his market stall. Thank you for joining us. What are

:34:26. > :34:28.you seeing, are you seeing an evidence of shortages? Yes, we have

:34:29. > :34:38.in recent weeks but having said that the supplier has improved this week.

:34:39. > :34:42.How people reacting? They are not too bad at the moment, a little bit

:34:43. > :34:54.surprised about some of the prices, the wholesale price to me last night

:34:55. > :35:02.for iceberg lettuce was ?1 50 each. The price of small cherry tomatoes

:35:03. > :35:05.?5 plus per kilogram for me to buy which is extremely expensive for

:35:06. > :35:12.this time of year. At least double what it should be. It is being said

:35:13. > :35:18.big supermarkets are putting limits on the amount of certain items which

:35:19. > :35:22.can be bought, a limit of three iceberg lettuce because smaller

:35:23. > :35:27.shops and other outlets are buying from supermarkets to get the

:35:28. > :35:32.supplies up, have you come across that? Yes, I believe some other

:35:33. > :35:40.greengrocers may well do that. But I think also the problem is made worse

:35:41. > :35:45.by restaurants and cafes and so on who are frustrated with the price

:35:46. > :35:48.from their wholesaler so they are also going to the supermarket to get

:35:49. > :35:57.the cheapest price wherever they can. They will be clearing the

:35:58. > :36:02.shelves a lot quicker than a family at home. Lord Haskins, what do you

:36:03. > :36:09.make of this, people chasing following supplies? I think if the

:36:10. > :36:14.nation is in panic about iceberg lettuce then God help us. These

:36:15. > :36:18.things happen, 30 years ago you never would have worried about

:36:19. > :36:22.buying lettuce in the middle of winter, you ate it in the summer and

:36:23. > :36:26.you eat cauliflower and Brussels sprouts in the winter. We have

:36:27. > :36:31.become a strange group that we want to have all year round crops and

:36:32. > :36:40.sometimes it goes wrong as it is at the moment. So what is the answer?

:36:41. > :36:44.It will resolve itself, if you're really keen you can buy them from

:36:45. > :36:49.Peru and South Africa. It will cost a bit but if they get too expensive

:36:50. > :36:53.people will be expensive and by Brussels sprouts instead. It sounds

:36:54. > :36:59.like you don't think it's a bad thing if it makes people think about

:37:00. > :37:08.the seasonality of produce and what options people have? We all buy

:37:09. > :37:12.stuff from far parts, first of all they don't taste anywhere near as

:37:13. > :37:19.good. Strawberries from Egypt this year don't taste any nowhere close

:37:20. > :37:22.to British strawberries in May, June, July. And there is the

:37:23. > :37:28.business of flying all this stuff around the world and the impact this

:37:29. > :37:32.have on climate change. There is nothing wrong with buying a little

:37:33. > :37:36.bit more home produce. Assuming we have the Eastern European workers to

:37:37. > :37:37.pick them and that may not happen either! Thank you, good to talk to

:37:38. > :37:44.you both. Black Sabbath - the band that

:37:45. > :37:46.invented heavy metal After nearly 50 years -

:37:47. > :38:08.we'll looking at their success. And we will talk about a factory

:38:09. > :38:11.accident which was fundamental in giving them their success.

:38:12. > :38:14.Few now need telling of the growing risk of cyber crime yet parliaments

:38:15. > :38:16.spending watchdog has warned that the government's "approach

:38:17. > :38:19.to handling personal data breaches has been chaotic and that Britain

:38:20. > :38:22.ranks below Brazil, South Africa and China in keeping phones

:38:23. > :38:26.Michael Fallon warned that Russia of a sustained campaign of cyber

:38:27. > :38:38.attacks targeting western democracies.

:38:39. > :38:41.A lot of comments about what is happening in Russia.

:38:42. > :38:44.We can now speak to Meg Hillier, the Labour chair of

:38:45. > :38:51.the Public Accounts committee and from our Bristol studio,

:38:52. > :38:54.Brian Lord, former deputy director of Intelligence and Cyber Operations

:38:55. > :38:56.at GCHQ and is managing director of PGI Cyber.

:38:57. > :39:02.Tell us more about what your concerns are and why you are saying

:39:03. > :39:07.it is chaotic? Every government department is doing its own thing,

:39:08. > :39:11.the government has set up the cyber Security Centre which is long

:39:12. > :39:14.overdue and it has been trying to scale up civil servants but it is

:39:15. > :39:16.not there yet and there is a shortage of skilled people to do

:39:17. > :39:22.this work in government and across the board and that's the biggest

:39:23. > :39:29.concern. Obviously it is absolutely fundamental because we all rely so

:39:30. > :39:33.much on the web to do things. Yes it can be day-to-day irritations like

:39:34. > :39:37.issues with your personal data but that gets more serious if it is

:39:38. > :39:42.things secure banking data but there are also national security issues.

:39:43. > :39:49.The number reported to GCHQ went up 100 per month between 2014 and 2015.

:39:50. > :39:52.It is at the series and there is an issue as well and it's important

:39:53. > :39:58.everyone in the system understands their role in keeping cyber

:39:59. > :40:08.security. Government has to do tackle that. Brian, why do we rank

:40:09. > :40:14.below other countries in terms of how we are dealing with this? I

:40:15. > :40:21.would not like to comment on what exactly a pure league table on that

:40:22. > :40:27.means, what I would say is when one is facing a range of cyber risks

:40:28. > :40:31.from website vandalism at one end which is just pure vandalism, to

:40:32. > :40:34.attacks on the critical national infrastructure of others and

:40:35. > :40:40.everything in between, that's an awful lot of activity to monitor,

:40:41. > :40:44.coordinate and provide coherent cross government defence and cross

:40:45. > :40:48.industry defence, to protect the nation. I think Meg is right, one of

:40:49. > :40:52.the biggest problems is a lack of skilled people but the other point I

:40:53. > :40:57.would make is what we need to be able to do is differentiate between

:40:58. > :41:01.knowledge and understanding which is what is the knowledge any employee

:41:02. > :41:06.needs in the 21st-century to counter this threat and the skills which are

:41:07. > :41:10.aimed to develop technologies, capabilities and the ability to

:41:11. > :41:18.counter it. Sometimes when we talk about skills the two things converge

:41:19. > :41:24.on an unhelpful way. The Cabinet says it is investing considerably in

:41:25. > :41:29.this, ?1.9 billion in its cyber Security strategy, that will start

:41:30. > :41:33.to come through, is it enough? When we push government about how they

:41:34. > :41:37.spend money, how they were measuring the effectiveness of the spend, they

:41:38. > :41:42.were quite vague. We want to see the benefit but it is a critical issue

:41:43. > :41:46.to get right. It means long-term planning, since 2013 there has been

:41:47. > :41:50.a plan in place to train up civil servants in the way that was just

:41:51. > :41:56.explained so there is knowledge and understanding at junior levels. The

:41:57. > :41:59.DWP does some good work. But its high level skills which are the

:42:00. > :42:03.problem and you cannot find those people easily and there are a few

:42:04. > :42:09.people chasing a lot of jobs so it's a bit of a buyers market place, a

:42:10. > :42:12.worker 's place. They have got a challenging government because they

:42:13. > :42:16.have to find a need to pay for these people as well as competing with the

:42:17. > :42:21.private sector so there are a range of challenges. We recognise that but

:42:22. > :42:26.we would like them to move a little faster. What you're concerned about

:42:27. > :42:30.Russia, so much about the threat from them? Russia are only one

:42:31. > :42:34.element, the Secretary of State made a speech about that yesterday and

:42:35. > :42:37.the fact he did that underlines the government concern and the

:42:38. > :42:43.government has recognised cyber security is of the four top security

:42:44. > :42:47.risks. They recognised that in 2010 and have taken steps to do the right

:42:48. > :42:50.thing so we can give them five out of ten, they have a plan and are

:42:51. > :42:53.beginning to implement it but we need things to move faster and there

:42:54. > :43:01.needs to be a discussion about how we fill the skills gap. How big an

:43:02. > :43:07.issue is the threat from Russia on cyber security or any other country

:43:08. > :43:12.that might want to cause problems? The threat from cyber, cyber

:43:13. > :43:19.security which is quite an unhelpful phrase in many ways is there and is

:43:20. > :43:26.growing. Russia in itself is sophisticated practitioner. They are

:43:27. > :43:30.able to deliver a range of effects they want to achieve as a state. I

:43:31. > :43:37.think to hold them up as an exemplar are in the nicest possible way of

:43:38. > :43:41.effective cross government use of cyber is probably right. They are an

:43:42. > :43:49.adversary in the way they always have been. This skills issue is

:43:50. > :43:52.absolutely key to this. I think one of the areas is probably, I would

:43:53. > :44:00.like to see and I would like to encourage a far more innovative

:44:01. > :44:04.capability between industry and government because as said,

:44:05. > :44:07.government is losing out to salary levels it cannot match because of

:44:08. > :44:11.the scarcity. I think there needs to be a lot more innovation between

:44:12. > :44:22.government and industry about somehow some of those skills being

:44:23. > :44:29.sheered and away -- sheered in away. The Russian issue has really hit the

:44:30. > :44:34.front pages because of the US presidential elections, how much,

:44:35. > :44:42.when you were at GCHQ, is going on? We have absolutely no idea about.

:44:43. > :44:46.Well, there is a good reason people don't know anything about it and I

:44:47. > :44:51.don't want to comment on that, but what I would say going back to the

:44:52. > :44:55.element of the US presidential election, we can look at this two

:44:56. > :45:00.ways, firstly is looking that actually here is a new vehicle for

:45:01. > :45:05.Russia in this case to cause mischief. But on the other angle, to

:45:06. > :45:10.keep it into perspective we need to be able to say this is the kind of

:45:11. > :45:15.activity Russia has been doing, not just Russia, any other state has

:45:16. > :45:21.been interfering in other states political fears for centuries. So

:45:22. > :45:25.what Russia are doing is no different, they are just doing it to

:45:26. > :45:29.a different medium and it's how to counter them in that cyber arena

:45:30. > :45:32.which is where the challenge is, not to get too energised by the fact

:45:33. > :45:39.they are doing it in the first place. Thank you very much.

:45:40. > :45:44.No-one from The Cabinet Office was available but they have told us the

:45:45. > :45:47.Government acted with a pace and ambition that has been welcomed by

:45:48. > :45:51.industry and international partners across the globe. They also said

:45:52. > :45:55.they are investing in a national side that the strategy underpinned

:45:56. > :46:01.by ?1.9 billion of investment setting out a range of measures to

:46:02. > :46:09.invent -- to protect people and business and develop skills.

:46:10. > :46:16.Let's take you back to Paris to take a look at the scene, there is a

:46:17. > :46:20.statement, I think it is in French so we will listen across and tell

:46:21. > :46:23.you what has been said there. It is not in English right now so we will

:46:24. > :46:27.not bring that to you but a little while ago I spoke to Bernard

:46:28. > :46:39.Kushner, who was the Foreign Minister of France from 2007 to

:46:40. > :46:48.2010. It was in the Louvre, it is heavily guarded. Nobody was wounded

:46:49. > :46:49.but the soldier and of course the man with a knife, but no tourists

:46:50. > :47:06.were injured at all. I do not know exactly the whole

:47:07. > :47:14.scene but apparently the security coming from the soldiers and the

:47:15. > :47:21.police was very well done and nobody was wounded but the attacker

:47:22. > :47:29.himself. We were prepared for such an attack and a group of tourists

:47:30. > :47:34.reacted the proper way and congratulations to the patrol and

:47:35. > :47:40.soldiers. The operation, this is not the end because all around the

:47:41. > :47:43.Louvre and everywhere, the underground stations, they are

:47:44. > :47:51.looking for some people, I don't know exactly but it seems the

:47:52. > :47:54.attacker was alone, but the security operation is still going on around

:47:55. > :48:01.the loop. Let's just show you the live picture

:48:02. > :48:04.coming to us... It is the same spokesperson that we are going to

:48:05. > :48:09.try to have listened to and tell you what you have been saying. Let me

:48:10. > :48:14.bring you to date with some comments from a police union official, saying

:48:15. > :48:17.that a French soldier shot and seriously wounded a man in the

:48:18. > :48:24.shopping mall beneath the loop after he tried to attack and shouted

:48:25. > :48:28.Allahu Akbar. The man was carrying two backpacks and had two machetes

:48:29. > :48:31.and when soldiers and police officers on patrol told the man he

:48:32. > :48:35.could not come in with his bags, he attacked. That is when he got the

:48:36. > :48:39.knife out and that is when he tried to stab the soldier. The soldier

:48:40. > :48:44.opened fire, the man was struck five times, once in the stomach. The

:48:45. > :48:50.backpack did not contain any explosives. One of the soldiers was

:48:51. > :48:57.slightly wounded on the scalp. So this person had tried to get into

:48:58. > :49:03.the place-macro, into the shop beneath the place-macro museum with

:49:04. > :49:08.two backs and when confronted by soldiers, that is when knives were

:49:09. > :49:15.bought out of the bags and one soldier was slightly injured -- in

:49:16. > :49:18.the Louvre museum. Our correspondent Jonny Diamond joins us from Paris.

:49:19. > :49:22.This is an incident that seems to have been dealt with quickly, bring

:49:23. > :49:27.us up-to-date with the latest? It has been dealt with very quickly.

:49:28. > :49:31.Really a very swift incident, as you described. The man attacking a

:49:32. > :49:37.soldier and then being fired upon, he is described as between life and

:49:38. > :49:40.death, I think between serious and critical condition. The area

:49:41. > :49:44.cordoned off, the museum closed, but the real concern I think will be

:49:45. > :49:50.that this has happened right in the heart of Paris at one of Paris'

:49:51. > :49:54.greatest tourist attractions, and it is what some people describe as a

:49:55. > :49:57.lone wolf operation, extremely difficult to protect against. You

:49:58. > :50:02.see soldiers on the streets of Paris at railway stations and about public

:50:03. > :50:05.buildings providing public reassurance, they obviously acted

:50:06. > :50:09.incredibly swiftly and effectively at this point but the news coming

:50:10. > :50:16.out, the news that this was, in the words of the French Prime Minister,

:50:17. > :50:20.terrorist in nature, reports that before he launched his attack he

:50:21. > :50:25.cried out Allahu Akbar, which means God is great in Arabic, will I'm

:50:26. > :50:29.sure our alarm many people, many Christians, and many people visiting

:50:30. > :50:33.or thinking of visiting the capital. Johnny, thank you very much. We will

:50:34. > :50:36.keep you updated and obviously plenty of coverage coming up on BBC

:50:37. > :50:39.newsroom life after this programme and on BBC News.

:50:40. > :50:41.1968, in the suburb of Aston, in Birmingham, two young

:50:42. > :50:43.working-class men got together to form a band.

:50:44. > :50:46.They didn't know it, but they'd end up making history.

:50:47. > :50:49.Six years later they'd play in front of quarter-of-a-million

:50:50. > :50:54.They'd become known for inventing a whole new musical

:50:55. > :50:57.They'd become global superstars - the singer Ozzy Osbourne,

:50:58. > :51:04.But this weekend the show is finally over for Black Sabbath.

:51:05. > :51:07.Tomorrow, they play one more gig in front of their home crowd

:51:08. > :51:09.in the city where it all started 49 years ago.

:51:10. > :51:11.It's the final concert of their The End tour.

:51:12. > :51:15.We've got lots of guests to speak to but first let's take a look

:51:16. > :51:25.# All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy.

:51:26. > :51:28.# Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify.

:51:29. > :51:53.# Make a joke and I will sigh and you will laugh and I will cry.

:51:54. > :51:58.# Happiness I cannot feel and love to me is so unreal.

:51:59. > :52:05.MUSIC: "A Hard Road" by Black Sabbath.

:52:06. > :52:12.# On this path of life we can't back down.

:52:13. > :52:27.# Life becomes the singer and the song.

:52:28. > :52:41.Let's talk now to Nick Ruskell, he's from the rock magazine Kerrang!

:52:42. > :52:48.Alexander Milas is working on a project called Home Of Metal

:52:49. > :52:50.which has been given half-a-million pounds by the Arts Council

:52:51. > :52:52.to celebrate the influence of Black Sabbath and other

:52:53. > :52:56.Jim Simpson was the band's first manager when they changed their name

:52:57. > :53:04.Paulette joins us from LA - she's the lead singer

:53:05. > :53:07.of an all-female Sabbath tribute band so she wants to be known

:53:08. > :53:15.Thank you all very much for joining us. It is that classic thing, they

:53:16. > :53:19.have got a passionate fan base but if you don't like their music, you

:53:20. > :53:23.don't pay attention, but they have a very special place in the history of

:53:24. > :53:28.rock? They do, in the late 60s they were the first band to play what

:53:29. > :53:32.they described as scary music after the bass player had the idea from

:53:33. > :53:36.seeing people queueing up to see horror movies late at night,

:53:37. > :53:38.distancing themselves from other bluesy band at the time they thought

:53:39. > :53:43.they should do something like that to give themselves an identity. By

:53:44. > :53:46.doing that, they created something no one had ever really done before

:53:47. > :53:52.which was a very heavy, sinister sound which was also helped by Tony

:53:53. > :53:57.Ione, the guitar player, who had been in an industrial accident when

:53:58. > :54:01.he worked in a factory and lost his fingers, so he had to do a lot of

:54:02. > :54:06.stuff playing his guitar, he had to tune down, he had to play quite

:54:07. > :54:12.slow, but by doing that they created this heavy sound like anything

:54:13. > :54:19.anybody had heard before and carved a niche for rock music. Do you think

:54:20. > :54:23.they get the recognition they should? Not even remotely, they

:54:24. > :54:27.deserve to stand on the shoulder of bands like led Zeppelin and the

:54:28. > :54:35.Beatles because they did not just inspire a sound, they inspired the

:54:36. > :54:40.culture and Outlook that is in every time zone around the world

:54:41. > :54:45.regardless of ethnicity and culture, it is universal. It is about

:54:46. > :54:49.acknowledging that it was produced by four working-class kids from

:54:50. > :54:55.Aston in Birmingham. On that point let's bring in Jim, you were the

:54:56. > :54:58.first manager of black sabbath. Tell us what you thought when you went

:54:59. > :55:07.into a little room above a pub and they were performing? It was not

:55:08. > :55:11.like that, we rented the upstairs room of a Birmingham pub and had put

:55:12. > :55:18.on blues and rock music every Tuesday. Tony and Ozzie joined the

:55:19. > :55:22.first week we opened as club members, I got to know them and

:55:23. > :55:26.after a while they said, can we play and I said, of course. They were

:55:27. > :55:35.successful so we put them on several times playing intermission for bands

:55:36. > :55:40.like status quo. After a while I said, I will manage them. For me, it

:55:41. > :55:48.was not a sudden impact, it was gradual. I saw them go from being

:55:49. > :55:53.pretty good to absolutely stunning. People have heard stories about

:55:54. > :55:58.them, legends that have built up, stories of Ozzy Osbourne biting the

:55:59. > :56:04.head of a bat, are these things true? I seriously doubt it! I saw no

:56:05. > :56:08.indication of that when I had them. The week I lost them, the week they

:56:09. > :56:14.left my Management, they had the number one album with Paranoid,

:56:15. > :56:17.number two single with Paranoid the single and black sabbath the album

:56:18. > :56:23.had come back on the chart at number 16, so I had them may be through the

:56:24. > :56:28.best two albums they made but more importantly I didn't get involved in

:56:29. > :56:36.any of the supposed excesses that I seriously doubt they had the excess

:56:37. > :56:43.is true, do they enhance or detract? The band themselves will tell you

:56:44. > :56:46.stories of them having cocaine delivered in soap powder boxes in

:56:47. > :56:51.California because they were going through so much of it. I don't think

:56:52. > :56:55.it detracts, I think it adds to the myth, really, and someone of my age

:56:56. > :57:01.was not around in the 70s, part of the enduring great mystical quality

:57:02. > :57:05.of Black Sabbath is that a wrong all these stories that you are not sure

:57:06. > :57:08.if half of them are true or not and you don't really want to find out

:57:09. > :57:13.because it might spoil part of the romance of them. Easy, you style

:57:14. > :57:23.yourself as easy Osbourne, why are you so passionate about Black

:57:24. > :57:29.Sabbath? -- Izzy Osbourne. They have a massive message of peace. Their

:57:30. > :57:35.music, for me, was the power behind the music, the amplification

:57:36. > :57:43.obviously and all of the amazing thing that they did, but more so the

:57:44. > :57:47.message of their music and what it speaks for and stands for. That is

:57:48. > :57:52.why I am so passionate about it. Alexander, do you think they will

:57:53. > :57:56.have a quiet retirement, is this really it? I think I speak for a lot

:57:57. > :58:02.of fans when I say I would like to see them riding into the sunset this

:58:03. > :58:07.week. It is sad to see them go but what a triumphant week they have

:58:08. > :58:09.had. I saw them on Tuesday, they were in top form, what a way to go

:58:10. > :58:12.out. Great to talk to you all, thank you

:58:13. > :58:17.so much. Just to bring you the latest on

:58:18. > :58:20.Paris, the situation there still unfolding, the identity of the

:58:21. > :58:24.attack are not yet known. You can hear the latest developments on BBC

:58:25. > :58:25.newsroom life, which is coming up next. Thank you for your

:58:26. > :58:34.company, have a lovely weekend, goodbye.

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