22/02/2017

:00:08. > :00:18.Should British citizens be allowed to bring their spouses to the UK

:00:19. > :00:23.whatever their income? Right now, they need to earn over ?18,000 a

:00:24. > :00:26.year in order to do so. We're expecting a Supreme Court ruling

:00:27. > :00:32.live in the next hour or two. We'll bring you the result.

:00:33. > :00:36.How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this?

:00:37. > :00:40.We want to be able to be together. We want to be able to sit down and

:00:41. > :00:50.relax together. But we can't. We have to stay like this. Also, it's

:00:51. > :00:55.the BRIT Awards tonight. We'll be asking if the organisers

:00:56. > :01:00.have done enough to celebrate black artists after criticism of last

:01:01. > :01:05.year's pretty much all white line-up of nominees. Are patients missing

:01:06. > :01:08.out on compassionate care because nurses are too stretched. We'll talk

:01:09. > :01:16.to nurses in the next hour of the programme.

:01:17. > :01:20.Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

:01:21. > :01:23.We're also talking about the British IS fighter who died in that suicide

:01:24. > :01:28.bomb attack on Iraqi forces in Mosul this week.

:01:29. > :01:32.He was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who received,

:01:33. > :01:34.it is reported, ?1 million in compensation,

:01:35. > :01:37.taxpayers' money, your money, on his release back to the UK.

:01:38. > :01:40.We'll be asking if the money was spent on terror and how

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:01:49. > :01:52.Our top story today, a ruling expected later this morning

:01:53. > :01:54.at the Supreme Court could mean that thousands of British citizens

:01:55. > :01:56.gain the legal right to bring their foreign spouse

:01:57. > :02:01.Currently, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

:02:02. > :02:05.the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

:02:06. > :02:08.Liechtenstein and Norway, have been barred from settling

:02:09. > :02:13.here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600 a year.

:02:14. > :02:26.Hi Lisa. Good morning. So what cases is the Supreme Court actually ruling

:02:27. > :02:30.on today? Well, this is the final Court of Appeal in the UK for civil

:02:31. > :02:35.cases and they're going to rule on whether this is lawful. Critics say

:02:36. > :02:40.that 15,000 children are being prevented from being with their

:02:41. > :02:45.parents because of this. And in a series of test cases, those who have

:02:46. > :02:50.been affected argued that the rules breached their right to any family

:02:51. > :02:56.life and in 2013 the High Court ruled in their favour saying that

:02:57. > :03:01.the rules were owe near are yous and unjustified and the judge urged the

:03:02. > :03:04.Home Secretary to rewrite the rules, but the decision was overturned by

:03:05. > :03:11.the Court of Appeal and that's what led to this challenge. The current

:03:12. > :03:17.law, how does it work at the moment? Well, from 2012, Britons must earn

:03:18. > :03:25.more than ?18600 because before a husband or a spouse can come from

:03:26. > :03:29.the EEA, and settle in the UK, the minimum income threshold, that

:03:30. > :03:35.affects people settled in the UK as well as refugees and then they have

:03:36. > :03:38.an extra amount of money for each child, ?2400 for each child above

:03:39. > :03:42.that. Now, the rules don't take account of any earnings of the

:03:43. > :03:47.overseas partner. So you could somebody who has got a, who is

:03:48. > :03:50.better qualified and they could have a much higher income potential if

:03:51. > :03:52.they came here. So that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank

:03:53. > :03:59.you very much, Lisa, thank you. We'll be speaking to some of those

:04:00. > :04:02.affected by the current law - British people facing separation

:04:03. > :04:04.from their spouses - in the next few minutes

:04:05. > :04:06.on this programme. Joanna is in the BBC

:04:07. > :04:08.Newsroom with a summary An extra ?200 million in emergency

:04:09. > :04:13.humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to tackle a famine

:04:14. > :04:17.in South Sudan and Somalia. The International Development

:04:18. > :04:19.Secretary, Priti Patel, said the additional funds

:04:20. > :04:21.would provide food, water and emergency health care for more

:04:22. > :04:23.than two million people. Here's our diplomatic

:04:24. > :04:28.editor, James Landale. In parts of war-torn South Sudan,

:04:29. > :04:30.people are now dying of starvation and famine has

:04:31. > :04:33.been officially declared. The UN and charities say that

:04:34. > :04:40.Somalia, Yemen and north-east Nigeria are facing similar

:04:41. > :04:42.humanitarian crisis with millions of people having no

:04:43. > :04:44.reliable access to food. So today the International

:04:45. > :04:46.Development Secretary, Priti Patel, is promising a new package

:04:47. > :04:49.of emergency aid for She said there will be

:04:50. > :04:56.an extra ?200 million made available this year,

:04:57. > :04:58.this would include emergency food and water for a million people

:04:59. > :05:01.in Somalia and food assistance There will be also emergency health

:05:02. > :05:09.care and nutritional support for starving children

:05:10. > :05:12.in both countries. Britain's leadership will basically

:05:13. > :05:15.mean we will be saving lives, bringing vital assistance to people

:05:16. > :05:18.in desperate need but also putting the call out to the international

:05:19. > :05:21.community to get them to step up, to galvanise their support

:05:22. > :05:23.so that we can have a strong international response to what quite

:05:24. > :05:31.frankly could be a devastating Got a, who is better qualified and

:05:32. > :05:34.they could have a much higher income potential if they came here. So

:05:35. > :05:35.that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank you very much,

:05:36. > :05:52.Lisa, thank you. The problem is these crisis have

:05:53. > :05:55.been caused as much by conflict as by drought and no amount of aid will

:05:56. > :06:01.end the violence that's brought so much suffering to these countries.

:06:02. > :06:04.A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape

:06:05. > :06:09.Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal

:06:10. > :06:13.He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital

:06:14. > :06:16.as he was getting into a car with prison officers.

:06:17. > :06:21.Our reporter Holly Hamilton is outside the hospital for us now.

:06:22. > :06:28.Holly, tell us more about how this happened. Good morning, Joanna. Yes,

:06:29. > :06:32.from what we understand Shaun Walmsley was brought here yesterday

:06:33. > :06:36.afternoon for a medical procedure, for a medical appointment, he was

:06:37. > :06:40.set upon unfortunately minutes later, he and two prison guards were

:06:41. > :06:44.coming out of the hospital to return back to Liverpool jail where he has

:06:45. > :06:48.based, where he's serving a life sentence. The two men both of whom

:06:49. > :06:52.were carrying weapons, it is understood one was carrying a gun,

:06:53. > :06:58.the other was brandishing a knife, both had their faces coveredment

:06:59. > :07:02.they forced the two prison officers to release Shaun Walmsley. Neither

:07:03. > :07:06.prison guards were injured in the incident. They were able to raise

:07:07. > :07:11.the alarm quickly. Merseyside Police say they have launched a nationwide

:07:12. > :07:16.search for the prisoner. They're working with the Ministry of Jus tus

:07:17. > :07:20.and with other police support officers across the UK to try to

:07:21. > :07:23.trace his whereabouts. He's described as dangerous. Members of

:07:24. > :07:28.the public have been asked not to approach him. He was convicted for

:07:29. > :07:34.murder in 2015 and he has been serving a life sentence as you say,

:07:35. > :07:38.along with four other men. Now, he is described as dangerous. He is

:07:39. > :07:41.expected to be still with the two men who helped him escape yesterday

:07:42. > :07:43.afternoon. It's possible they could still be carrying weapons, so

:07:44. > :07:47.members of the public have been asked not to approach them, but

:07:48. > :07:48.instead to call 999 if they have any information.

:07:49. > :07:52.Thank you, Holly. It's thought that a British man,

:07:53. > :07:55.who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called

:07:56. > :07:58.Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation

:07:59. > :08:00.from the UK Government after being arrested

:08:01. > :08:02.in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called

:08:03. > :08:07.Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously

:08:08. > :08:10.known as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler,

:08:11. > :08:11.detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village

:08:12. > :08:15.south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained

:08:16. > :08:18.in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect,

:08:19. > :08:20.but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has

:08:21. > :08:28.reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

:08:29. > :08:33.helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance,

:08:34. > :08:35.PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

:08:36. > :08:38.to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

:08:39. > :08:44.has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

:08:45. > :08:48.to full private ownership this year. The cost of essential repairs

:08:49. > :08:51.to school buildings in England has reached almost ?7 billion,

:08:52. > :08:53.according to the In a report published today,

:08:54. > :08:57.it warns that figure It also says that ministers' plans

:08:58. > :09:04.to create 500 new free schools adds up to a bill of ?2.5 billion simply

:09:05. > :09:06.to purchase the land The White House has issued

:09:07. > :09:13.new guidelines designed to multiply the deportation of illegal

:09:14. > :09:15.immigrants from the United States. Officials have been told to enforce

:09:16. > :09:18.existing laws more strictly, and more quickly, and to target

:09:19. > :09:20.undocumented people arrested for minor offences such as shoplifting

:09:21. > :09:29.or traffic violations. President Trump's spokesman,

:09:30. > :09:31.Sean Spicer, said the new rules would make immigration

:09:32. > :09:40.officers' work easier. The president needed to give

:09:41. > :09:44.guidance especially after what they went through in the last

:09:45. > :09:48.administration, members had to figure out each individual whether

:09:49. > :09:52.or not they fitted into a particular category and they could adjudicate

:09:53. > :09:55.that case. The president wanted to take the shackles off individuals in

:09:56. > :09:58.these agencies and say you have a mission, there are laws that need to

:09:59. > :10:01.be followed. You should do your mission and follow the law.

:10:02. > :10:05.Malaysian police say they want to question a North Korean

:10:06. > :10:10.diplomat over the killing of Kim Jong-nam -

:10:11. > :10:12.the estranged half-brother of North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un.

:10:13. > :10:14.Kim Jong-nam died after being attacked at the international

:10:15. > :10:16.airport in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur last week.

:10:17. > :10:19.Two women caught on CCTV carrying out the attack said they thought

:10:20. > :10:22.they were participating in a TV prank, but police claim

:10:23. > :10:24.they were well aware they were using a toxic chemical.

:10:25. > :10:27.By 2030 both men and women in the UK are expected to live

:10:28. > :10:29.well into their 80s, for the first time.

:10:30. > :10:32.Scientists at Imperial College London looked at the average life

:10:33. > :10:34.expectancy in 35 industrialised nations and discovered all would see

:10:35. > :10:36.people living longer with the gap between men and women

:10:37. > :10:45.Women in South Korea are expected to live the longest,

:10:46. > :10:57.If there is a barrier, we are not anywhere close to it. Whether that's

:10:58. > :11:00.100 or 110, we'll just have to wait for another couple of decades to

:11:01. > :11:04.see, but certainly not 90. The Bill giving the Prime Minister

:11:05. > :11:06.permission to trigger the start of the Brexit process has been given

:11:07. > :11:09.an unopposed second reading It will now be discussed

:11:10. > :11:12.in committee where some peers are expected to attempt to amend

:11:13. > :11:27.the proposed legislation. The first anniversary of the murder

:11:28. > :11:30.of Jo Cox will be marked by street parties and picnics throughout the

:11:31. > :11:34.country. The MP was killed in her West Yorkshire constituency before

:11:35. > :11:38.last June's EU referendum. Her husband said the great get together

:11:39. > :11:41.would be a fitting tribute it his wife. The plans will be launched by

:11:42. > :11:53.the Duchess of Cornwall later today. A runaway bull has led police

:11:54. > :11:56.in New York on a chase The bull, which is believed to have

:11:57. > :11:59.escaped from a slaughterhouse, was on the loose for around two

:12:00. > :12:02.hours in the district of Queens. It repeatedly gave officers the slip

:12:03. > :12:05.before it was finally tranquilised An animal sanctuary had

:12:06. > :12:09.offered to rehome the bull, but sadly it died

:12:10. > :12:11.on its way to the centre. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:12:12. > :12:14.News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us

:12:15. > :12:16.throughout the morning, use #Victoria LIVE and If you text,

:12:17. > :12:28.you will be charged What a thrilling game. Two sides

:12:29. > :12:33.going all out to attack? It reminded me of my school days, just playing

:12:34. > :12:40.in the playground. You didn't care about defending your own goal, all

:12:41. > :12:45.you wanted to do was attack, attack. Twice City came from behind, 5-3 was

:12:46. > :12:55.the final score. Look at that goal! Fantastic goal.

:12:56. > :13:00.And then Sergio Aguero of City said, "Anything you can do, I can match

:13:01. > :13:05.you." A brilliant match by City. Two attacking teams going all-out. 5-3

:13:06. > :13:09.was the final score and they take that valuable, valuable lead to

:13:10. > :13:13.Monaco in three weeks time. It will be an interesting match-up that one.

:13:14. > :13:17.Wayne Rooney, he's not really going to China, is he? Well, it seems

:13:18. > :13:22.unthinkable, if you think a few weeks back when he became Manchester

:13:23. > :13:27.United's record goal scorer. This is a person, a legend of the club, so

:13:28. > :13:31.synonymous with Manchester United, but Jose Mourinho yesterday said he

:13:32. > :13:36.can't guarantee that Wayne Rooney will still be in the squad in the

:13:37. > :13:40.coming seasons. Wayne Rooney has previously said he will fulfil his

:13:41. > :13:43.contract up until 2019, but when China, the Chinese Super League come

:13:44. > :13:48.calling there is a big financial incentive for him to leave. We

:13:49. > :13:51.understand he won't go in the next week when the Chinese Super League

:13:52. > :13:56.transfer window is opened, but possibly, possibly in the summer. It

:13:57. > :14:01.does make you wonder about Wayne Rooney's long-term future at the

:14:02. > :14:05.club. What is the latest with the pie eating verve goalie or no longer

:14:06. > :14:09.reserve goalie for Sutton? Yeah, you know it's a big story when it gets

:14:10. > :14:13.its own hashtag, pie gate, it has been called. There is a petition

:14:14. > :14:18.launched to have him reinstated after he stepped down from the club

:14:19. > :14:25.yesterday and there were some people out there that will say he was just

:14:26. > :14:30.having a laugh and perhaps the rules are restrictive, but if you look at

:14:31. > :14:33.this argument, he has broken the rules and the rules are that no one

:14:34. > :14:37.is allowed, no one including players, coaches, staff, officials

:14:38. > :14:40.are allowed to bet on anything to do with a football competition,

:14:41. > :14:45.directly or indirectly as the case maybe. Now, you know, it didn't

:14:46. > :14:53.affect the outcome of the game, but did it compromise the integrity of

:14:54. > :14:57.the competition? This is what the FA and the Gambling Commission will be

:14:58. > :15:06.investigating. Thank you very much, Jess.

:15:07. > :15:11.Nursing standard and marry curie asked nurses about their experiences

:15:12. > :15:12.of caring for patients in their final months, weeks and days of

:15:13. > :15:20.their lives. if Nursing Standard and Marie Curie,

:15:21. > :15:22.asked nurses about their experiences of caring for patients in the final

:15:23. > :15:25.months, weeks and days Two out of three nurses said

:15:26. > :15:28.they don't have enough time They also said training and

:15:29. > :15:32.community services need to improve. Let's speak to Conservative MP

:15:33. > :15:34.Maria Caulfield who used to work as an NHS nurse,

:15:35. > :15:37.an A nurse Danny Meredith, an assistant mental health nurse

:15:38. > :15:52.Diane Cawood and Alwin Puthenparakal really give our audience an insight

:15:53. > :16:01.into a typical day? It is a very fast paced environment. It involves

:16:02. > :16:10.a lot of high-pressure time management. Organisational skills.

:16:11. > :16:15.On a daily basis, we tend to go on the phrase time is tissue. We remind

:16:16. > :16:27.ourselves of the challenges we face every day. What kind of patients are

:16:28. > :16:36.you looking after. They tend to be sedated and ventilated, normally

:16:37. > :16:40.non-cognate area. They are looked after the accident scene, excellent

:16:41. > :16:46.training. Also the family members as well. How many patients would you be

:16:47. > :16:55.responsible for, not use only, as you said, it is 18? Normally if it

:16:56. > :17:00.is one care, in the UK, it can vary. If the patients are getting better,

:17:01. > :17:08.it can vary from one nurse looking after two patients. Normally the

:17:09. > :17:13.case. What is the biggest challenge as a nurse working in intensive

:17:14. > :17:19.care? The biggest challenge, I would say, not having enough time.

:17:20. > :17:25.Essentially, because there are a lot of things to do in a given period of

:17:26. > :17:31.time. In a 12 hour period. However the most important goal for all of

:17:32. > :17:39.us as a team is to help patients recover. Besides that, we have the

:17:40. > :17:44.document everything we do. Looking after the welfare of the family

:17:45. > :17:49.members. Look after the welfare of ourselves, throughout the process of

:17:50. > :17:56.a heavy, emotionally distressing day. Fantastic insight, thank you.

:17:57. > :18:04.Diane, you are an assistant mental health nurse. Typical day, give our

:18:05. > :18:09.audience and real insight, to get under the skin of what you do on a

:18:10. > :18:15.daily basis? No two days of the same in mental health. Part of what I

:18:16. > :18:25.love about it. Usually quite busy and hectic. You will have 22, 23, 24

:18:26. > :18:31.patients. People with depression, anxiety, self harm and those

:18:32. > :18:35.suffering with psychosis. You are looking after the day today needs

:18:36. > :18:44.generally, people with mental health conditions. If any of them have

:18:45. > :18:50.physical illnesses, as well. On a ward with 22 patients, Hammond staff

:18:51. > :18:57.would there be? On a typical day shift, two qualified nurses and two

:18:58. > :19:05.nursing assistants. On a night shift, one qualified nurse and two

:19:06. > :19:12.systems. Is that enough?? I would not say so, we need more staff, if

:19:13. > :19:19.it gets more busy, more things going on on the ward, you need more staff.

:19:20. > :19:23.What is your biggest challenge? Like the previous gentleman said, it is

:19:24. > :19:29.time, never enough hours in the data your job. Maria coalfield,

:19:30. > :19:36.Conservative MP, still doing shifts as an NHS nurse. Tell us about a

:19:37. > :19:42.typical day in a hospital? A shift can vary, one day can be very

:19:43. > :19:49.different from the next. I have been a nurse for 20 years. I mainly

:19:50. > :19:52.working inpatient setting. I cannot comment about what happens in the

:19:53. > :19:58.community. The types of patients have changed. I work in cancer care,

:19:59. > :20:04.patients used to come in before operations, stay in many days after

:20:05. > :20:08.operations. The post period was a part of their stay. Now they come in

:20:09. > :20:13.on the day of surgery, going home pretty quickly. The type of patients

:20:14. > :20:18.are more sicker, post up, acute infections. Those patients who are

:20:19. > :20:25.dying, or going on for the same ward. Juggling different types is a

:20:26. > :20:30.most difficult part of the job. People recovering from operations,

:20:31. > :20:35.someone who needs chemotherapy, given on time. Often the patient who

:20:36. > :20:42.is poorly, maybe the end of life care, the patient he gets seen last.

:20:43. > :20:46.You have to prioritise the type of patient you are looking after. That

:20:47. > :20:54.has changed, much more acute over the years. Since I have been a

:20:55. > :21:00.nurse. The survey, not a revelation to save most nurses say they do not

:21:01. > :21:03.have enough time. What is really significant, what they are saying we

:21:04. > :21:11.don't have enough time with patients who are dying. That is really

:21:12. > :21:15.alarming. In Parliament, we have had debates about end of life care. In

:21:16. > :21:24.the cancer setting, it is pretty good, excellent hospices, good end

:21:25. > :21:30.of life care. In other settings, Alzheimer's, MS, there is not the

:21:31. > :21:33.end of life care support. Very often patients are stuck in hospitals,

:21:34. > :21:39.they want to be at home, they want to be in a hospice. People looking

:21:40. > :21:44.after them, and I talked to nurses who say we do not have the skills to

:21:45. > :21:52.do end of life care, often gets forgotten. I completely agree with

:21:53. > :21:57.Mary, at the end of the day, it is about training, and the time

:21:58. > :22:02.available to look after the patient. Besides my role as in intensive care

:22:03. > :22:08.nurse, I work as a university lecturer, me the time to to students

:22:09. > :22:12.as well. To see what they have experienced, and also qualified

:22:13. > :22:19.nurses as well. As previously advertised, in several reports in

:22:20. > :22:26.the last decade, there is a growing problem, this issue has always been

:22:27. > :22:34.there. We need to speak to the patients, for their feedback. Look

:22:35. > :22:40.at the problem in a holistic sense. Do you get his feet Theresa May, and

:22:41. > :22:44.give her your direct experience? I met with the Secretary of State,

:22:45. > :22:51.Jeremy Hunt, there has been a report done on end of life care. One of the

:22:52. > :22:58.key areas is training for staff. Staff are not necessarily trained in

:22:59. > :23:04.pain control. The survey today is that the time. A lot of it to do

:23:05. > :23:08.with the commissioning process, at the moment they are paid for a

:23:09. > :23:15.number of operations, chemotherapy, but not paid for end of life care.

:23:16. > :23:24.Hospitals are not, and until we are recognising the value of the end of

:23:25. > :23:28.life care, and hospitals... The money would pay for businesses, it

:23:29. > :23:34.would be seen as an intrinsic part of the role. It might pay for them.

:23:35. > :23:41.I have not done the maths, but not enough people wanting to be nurses.

:23:42. > :23:45.The current system, I was under the bursary system, I had reservations

:23:46. > :23:49.about that being disbanded, they were turning student nurses away,

:23:50. > :23:53.there was a cap on the numbers. The new schemes, the associate nurse and

:23:54. > :23:58.the apprenticeship nurse will bring more into the profession. That is

:23:59. > :24:04.what we hope is. Of course that is the hope. There is a shortage right

:24:05. > :24:18.now. There are 10,000 more nurses being trained in practice, compared

:24:19. > :24:21.to 2010. There are more, many more patients, many more challenges

:24:22. > :24:26.because of the lack of social care. My experience in 20 years, the skill

:24:27. > :24:34.mix is better on the wards. I used to look after, ten, 15 years ago,

:24:35. > :24:38.ten patients are shift. That has dropped down to six, that is down to

:24:39. > :24:46.reports like from this report. That was about safety. Nurses were

:24:47. > :24:52.looking after too many patients. Let me ask you both, what you would say

:24:53. > :24:55.to maria, who occasionally as a hotline to the Prime Minister

:24:56. > :25:02.because of her experience on the NHS. What messages should she give

:25:03. > :25:06.to her? Fundamentally, all about the organisational skills. The adequate

:25:07. > :25:13.amount of training for the appropriate nurses, in particular

:25:14. > :25:18.settings. So they can approach these challenges in the right kind of way.

:25:19. > :25:25.Diane, what would you say? Training certainly helps. I feel staff

:25:26. > :25:29.retention is a big part of it. A lot of people leaving the profession,

:25:30. > :25:33.because they are overworked, undervalued, stress, not supported.

:25:34. > :25:39.It is good to be training more nurses, I myself am a student nurse.

:25:40. > :25:46.We need to be keeping the people already trained, making them feel

:25:47. > :25:56.valued. Absolutely. A huge retention problem. It is a difficult job. A

:25:57. > :26:01.huge level of burn-out. Only so long you can be dealing with that

:26:02. > :26:05.stressful situation. A number of nurses who want to return to

:26:06. > :26:11.practice. Difficult to do that, time-consuming, expensive process.

:26:12. > :26:15.We need to focus on keeping nurses, so they do not feel they need to

:26:16. > :26:18.leave the profession and we need to make it easier for people returning

:26:19. > :26:24.to nursing. Thanks for coming to the programme. If you work in the

:26:25. > :26:27.nursing profession or use you, let me know your experiences, what it

:26:28. > :26:33.was like for you on the ward, where it was you work. And what the issues

:26:34. > :26:45.are. What the government should be concentrating on. Still to come on

:26:46. > :26:50.the programme. It is the BRIT Awards tonight, this year a different

:26:51. > :26:53.story. We are asking if the organisers have done nothing

:26:54. > :26:56.celebrate black artists. We will find out whether British citizens

:26:57. > :27:04.will be allowed to bring their spouses in the UK, and have much

:27:05. > :27:16.they earn. -- however much they earn.

:27:17. > :27:19.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:20. > :27:22.A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later

:27:23. > :27:24.could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right

:27:25. > :27:27.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:28. > :27:30.A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later

:27:31. > :27:33.could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right

:27:34. > :27:35.to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK.

:27:36. > :27:38.Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

:27:39. > :27:41.the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

:27:42. > :27:43.Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling

:27:44. > :27:46.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:47. > :27:48.to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK.

:27:49. > :27:51.Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

:27:52. > :27:54.the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

:27:55. > :27:56.Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling

:27:57. > :27:58.here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600

:27:59. > :28:01.An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised

:28:02. > :28:04.by the Government to tackle a famine in South Sudan and Somalia.

:28:05. > :28:06.The international development secretary, Priti Patel,

:28:07. > :28:08.said the additional funds would provide food, water

:28:09. > :28:10.and emergency health care for more than two million people.

:28:11. > :28:13.A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape

:28:14. > :28:18.Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal

:28:19. > :28:20.He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital

:28:21. > :28:23.as he was getting into a car with prison officers.

:28:24. > :28:26.It's thought that a British man, who carried out a suicide bombing

:28:27. > :28:28.in Iraq for the so-called Islamic State terrorist group,

:28:29. > :28:30.had previously received compensation from the UK Government

:28:31. > :28:32.after being arrested in Pakistan by US forces

:28:33. > :28:35.The man, whom IS called Abu-Zakariya al-Britani,

:28:36. > :28:37.but who was previously known as Jamal al Harith and before

:28:38. > :28:39.that Ronald Fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled

:28:40. > :28:41.with explosives in a village south of Mosul.

:28:42. > :28:43.In 2001, he was detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention

:28:44. > :28:46.centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying

:28:47. > :28:49.Lloyds Banking Group has reported its highest

:28:50. > :28:51.annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction

:28:52. > :28:52.in payment protection insurance, PPI, provisions.

:28:53. > :28:55.Pre-tax profits increased to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen

:28:56. > :29:00.The UK Government's stake in Lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has

:29:01. > :29:02.said it wants to return the bank to full private

:29:03. > :29:18.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:29:19. > :29:33.The headlines, Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says his side

:29:34. > :29:41.must score in the return leg in the Champions League tie with Monaco.

:29:42. > :29:45.City came from behind to win 5-3 last night, but he said they were

:29:46. > :29:49.not the violence unless they can turn Monaco's attacking tactics.

:29:50. > :29:54.Jose Mourinho says he cannot guarantee Wayne Rooney will be with

:29:55. > :29:57.Manchester United next season. He has been linked with the Chinese

:29:58. > :30:03.Super League. Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20 year cricket career at

:30:04. > :30:17.the end of the season. He has won the County Championship five times,

:30:18. > :30:20.winning T20 World Cup 2010. Wayne Shaw has resigned from his position

:30:21. > :30:25.at Sutton, after a pie eating row. Should British citizens

:30:26. > :30:27.have an automatic right Currently you need to earn more

:30:28. > :30:33.than ?18,600 if your husband or wife is from a non-EU country -

:30:34. > :30:36.more in some cases where there The rules were brought

:30:37. > :30:41.in by the Government four years ago to stop low-income migrant families

:30:42. > :30:45.becoming a burden on the taxpayer, but opponents say the rules

:30:46. > :30:51.are unfair and have led to thousands of children being separated

:30:52. > :30:54.from their parents. Today the Supreme Court will decide

:30:55. > :31:00.if the rules are lawful or not. Last year our reporter

:31:01. > :31:03.Divya Talwar met Amira, a mother who fled Syria with her son,

:31:04. > :31:05.and was left separated from her husband because she didn't

:31:06. > :31:26.meet the minimum income requirement. The seaside town of Barry Islands in

:31:27. > :31:30.Wales. This is home for Amira and her son Jude since she fled from

:31:31. > :31:35.Syria. Two years ago the daily sounds of

:31:36. > :31:41.gunfire and barrel bombs were normal life in Damascus with her Syrian

:31:42. > :31:45.husband. Amira is British and her dad is Syrian and she met her

:31:46. > :31:49.husband through her relatives living there. When she fell pregnant, the

:31:50. > :31:54.couple decided they had to leave the country. Amira came back to the UK

:31:55. > :31:58.just before giving birth, but her husband had to stay behind. He

:31:59. > :32:03.couldn't get a visa and still can't. I don't meet the means or the

:32:04. > :32:11.requirements to bring my husband here on a spouse visa or like wise a

:32:12. > :32:17.family visa. Since leaving Syria, Amira's home in Damascus has been

:32:18. > :32:24.bombed. Family members have lost their lives. Her husband has fled to

:32:25. > :32:29.Turkey. The family try to Skype every day. Jude is one of at least

:32:30. > :32:35.15,000 British children growing up in Skype families since the new

:32:36. > :32:40.rules came in, according to a report by the Children's Commissioner. He's

:32:41. > :32:45.trying to get to give. He's trying to give him cuddles. It is him

:32:46. > :32:52.trying to get to, you know, he's trying... You see, he just wants to

:32:53. > :32:59.try and get to, he wants to try and get to his dad to have cuddles with

:33:00. > :33:05.him. It can't keep on doing this. I just can't keep on... It's just...

:33:06. > :33:10.How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this?

:33:11. > :33:15.We want to be able to be together and we want to be able to sit down

:33:16. > :33:21.and relax together, but we can't. We have to stay like this. Yeah, good

:33:22. > :33:32.boy. Kiss it. Amira and her husband separated this

:33:33. > :33:34.year because the distance between them put too many strains

:33:35. > :33:38.on their relationship. Let's talk now to two

:33:39. > :33:43.people who fall below Satbir Singh who's a British citizen

:33:44. > :33:52.and cannot bring his wife over from India and Lian Papay whose

:33:53. > :33:54.American husband AJ faces being deported because of repeated

:33:55. > :33:57.visa rejections, and Chai Patel who's charity Joint Council

:33:58. > :33:59.for the Welfare of Immigrants it campaigns for justice

:34:00. > :34:07.in immigration law. How long have you been living apart

:34:08. > :34:11.from your Going on six wife? Months. What's that like? Obviously

:34:12. > :34:17.incredibly challenging. Incredibly unsettling. It makes planning the

:34:18. > :34:20.future very difficult. I think you married in 2014 after you met at

:34:21. > :34:25.university in London. Yes. So you married after the rules were brought

:34:26. > :34:30.in. Were you aware of them? We were. What we weren't aware of is the

:34:31. > :34:33.technicality in the rules both of us individually actually earn above the

:34:34. > :34:37.minimum income requirement, but as my wife is not an EU citizen, her

:34:38. > :34:42.income isn't couldn'ted and as my work is basically on a contract

:34:43. > :34:47.basis, it's not counted either. Previously we were living in the

:34:48. > :34:51.United States. Our visas were renegotiated and we were sort of

:34:52. > :34:53.required to leave the US and it was at that point that we were

:34:54. > :34:56.involuntarily put in no position where we basically now have to live

:34:57. > :35:00.in separate countries. You don't have to live in separate countries.

:35:01. > :35:05.You could move to India? I could move to India, but if I did that,

:35:06. > :35:09.even if I got an incredible job, there is no way we would save the

:35:10. > :35:15.savings requirement to move back to the United Kingdom. That's about

:35:16. > :35:21.?60,000 as a minimum. Yes. Easier said than done, I know. Are you

:35:22. > :35:25.trying to get a job? Yes. Which would give you the minimum

:35:26. > :35:30.requirement? I earn above the income requirement. It is a technicality

:35:31. > :35:34.that contract work isn't recognised. I'm working sort of all hours that

:35:35. > :35:41.I'm not working on my actual job to find a new job. It's very difficult

:35:42. > :35:47.to turn down work as it comes to say well, I can't take on a new contract

:35:48. > :35:50.because I'm looking for a full-time job because you're foregoing income.

:35:51. > :35:55.You're trapped between a rock and a hard place. The original rational

:35:56. > :35:58.from the Government was about effectively the rules were brought

:35:59. > :36:02.in to reduce costs to taxpayers and there were a couple of other things

:36:03. > :36:07.as well. Do you accept that? I don't. Spouses have not had recourse

:36:08. > :36:11.to public funds traditionally. They pay into the NHS before they are

:36:12. > :36:16.granted their visa and if we're talking about the economics of it,

:36:17. > :36:19.the Government's o Office of National Statistics points out there

:36:20. > :36:22.is a net gain to the Treasury from spouses who come here and work and

:36:23. > :36:26.pay taxes as my wife would, as many spouses would, so there is no sort

:36:27. > :36:31.of sensible logic behind the economic argument here either. What

:36:32. > :36:35.about if you earn below the minimum income requirement the ?18600

:36:36. > :36:38.figure, you bring a spouse and a child, actually you'd have to earn

:36:39. > :36:43.?22,000 if you wanted to bring a child. Actually, the more dependants

:36:44. > :36:47.you have, the more likely you are to be eligible for tax credits so that

:36:48. > :36:54.could be argued is a burden to the taxpayer? Well, it defines how

:36:55. > :36:57.you're defining a burd. Sometimes I will pay into the system and at

:36:58. > :37:02.other times I will take out. There is no need here to penalise British

:37:03. > :37:07.citizens who for one reason or another might not be earning a very

:37:08. > :37:11.ash Trafalgar Squarily defined income requirement, when at other

:37:12. > :37:15.times they maybe paying more into the system than they take out. They

:37:16. > :37:19.are being penalised because they have married somebody who is from

:37:20. > :37:22.outside the European Economic Area. Thank you for coming on the

:37:23. > :37:26.programme. Clearly, you're together, living in Newcastle and you have a

:37:27. > :37:30.child as well. But I think Leanne, because you don't earn the minimum

:37:31. > :37:34.income requirement, you don't earn enough according to the Government

:37:35. > :37:40.then you AJ can't stay as you're an American citizen? Yeah, that's

:37:41. > :37:46.right. We have been fighting an immigration battle with this for

:37:47. > :37:52.four years now just basically trying to get them to see the human aspect

:37:53. > :37:57.side of things. You know, I don't earn ?18600, that isn't an average

:37:58. > :38:03.salary within my area. You know, and you know, it is a struggle to try

:38:04. > :38:08.and hit that amount of money and for that reason, we have been fighting a

:38:09. > :38:14.visa, you know, fighting a battle with the immigration. Obviously if

:38:15. > :38:18.AJ was to be removed, it would cause some problems for our son who, you

:38:19. > :38:23.know, who would be devastated by that. Of course. AJ, I'm going to

:38:24. > :38:27.ask you to speak up. We've only got one microphone. Sorry about that.

:38:28. > :38:33.What effect is this having on you and your wife and your son? Well,

:38:34. > :38:37.it's like the other guy said, we can't really plan for the future

:38:38. > :38:46.because I'm not allowed to work. I'm not allowed any public funds or

:38:47. > :38:53.anything. If I was to be removed, I'm, I'm our son's main carer

:38:54. > :38:57.through the day while Leanne works. One day I would be taking care of

:38:58. > :39:01.him and fi was removed, deported, he would not have his main carer, not

:39:02. > :39:06.have his dad there, where he sees me every day, you know, and I take care

:39:07. > :39:09.of him every day, it would be like a large detachment issue that could

:39:10. > :39:13.cause psychological problems in the future for him. Have you considered

:39:14. > :39:19.as a family moving to the States? Is that possible? We have, yeah. We've

:39:20. > :39:22.thought about it. Obviously because we do want to remain together as a

:39:23. > :39:29.family so we have thought about that option. But all of AJ's family is

:39:30. > :39:34.actually living within the UK. My family lives here within the UK and

:39:35. > :39:39.Jayden is very close to them also. So by taking him out of the UK to

:39:40. > :39:46.America, it would be upsetting him on that part. You know, I think, the

:39:47. > :39:52.best thing all-round for our family is for AJ to be able to remain here,

:39:53. > :39:55.AJ able to work and Jayden stay this his routine and still have his

:39:56. > :40:00.family network around him and also in America, we haven't got the money

:40:01. > :40:04.to get health insurance for Jayden for example and that's a big thing

:40:05. > :40:08.to us because, you know, we want to make sure that if anything was to

:40:09. > :40:13.happen to Jayden in the future, you know, we could go to the hospital or

:40:14. > :40:17.the doctors and obviously in this country it's a plesing that you can

:40:18. > :40:27.do that. Over there, we would have no home. No healthcare. And you

:40:28. > :40:31.know, no work, no jobs. Good morning to you. How many

:40:32. > :40:37.families have been impacted by the income rules since 2012? Well, our

:40:38. > :40:41.estimates are that about 15,000 children will have been impacted by

:40:42. > :40:46.the rules. In terms of being separated from one or other parent?

:40:47. > :40:51.In terms of being separated. In terms of families, it is hard to

:40:52. > :40:55.say, but it is in the tens of thousands. Let's talk about the

:40:56. > :41:00.legal side of this. What is being argued in the Supreme Court is to do

:41:01. > :41:04.with people's British citizens right to a family life. Explain that for

:41:05. > :41:11.our audience? Right, so everyone in the UK has a right to a private and

:41:12. > :41:18.family life which is put into UK law by the Human Rights Act. And one of

:41:19. > :41:21.the other rights which is very relevant to Leanne's case, it is in

:41:22. > :41:24.British law, any immigration decision has to put as a primary

:41:25. > :41:31.consideration the best interests of any children that would be affected

:41:32. > :41:35.and our research shows that not only are children, you know, incredibly

:41:36. > :41:39.psychologically impacted by having one of their parents leave or just

:41:40. > :41:41.never seeing them, but also that the decision making process that the

:41:42. > :41:45.Home Office goes through does not do that. It does not look specifically

:41:46. > :41:49.at the best interests of the child in the way that they're legally

:41:50. > :41:52.required to do. So those are the two main questions that the Supreme

:41:53. > :41:56.Court is going to be looking at. This has been going on since 2013

:41:57. > :41:59.when the High Court said the Government policy was unlawful. The

:42:00. > :42:04.judge urged the Home Secretary to rewrite the rules. That was

:42:05. > :42:08.overturned at the Court of Appeal and we're waiting for the judgement

:42:09. > :42:14.this morning and what happens today is definitive? Yes, well, the family

:42:15. > :42:16.could, the families could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

:42:17. > :42:22.on the Human Rights point. Right. OK. But the Supreme Court is

:42:23. > :42:28.definitive in terms of English law. Right, OK. Are you feeling anxious?

:42:29. > :42:34.A little bit, yes. Not just for myself, but for thousands of other

:42:35. > :42:38.families who actually if I'm perfectly honest, there are cases

:42:39. > :42:46.worse than this, where there are children involved. I'm fort not nat

:42:47. > :42:53.that we are able to visit each other. For many families that's not

:42:54. > :43:00.an option and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for them as mup as for me. A

:43:01. > :43:04.viewer says, "My husband and I had to do long-distance between here and

:43:05. > :43:07.New Zealand due to the rule. It was heart wremplging, but worth it now."

:43:08. > :43:12.David says, "Migrants who work and contribute to our economy should not

:43:13. > :43:16.be deported. Some work in essential services." Another viewer says,

:43:17. > :43:20."This response is tragic. How do you tell a young boy, you're English,

:43:21. > :43:25.but go live somewhere else based on earnings?" Another viewer says,

:43:26. > :43:28."Keep the ban on spouses. This country is under enough pressure

:43:29. > :43:33.when it comes to schools, NHS and housing." Thank you very much all of

:43:34. > :43:34.you. The Supreme Court ruling is due this morning and we will bring it to

:43:35. > :44:03.you live as soon as it comes in. Tonight's Brit awards is tonight.

:44:04. > :44:09.Last year's awards were labelled an embarrassment by one grime artist.

:44:10. > :44:12.Months later, organisers announced a shake-up with more people from black

:44:13. > :44:19.and ethnic minority backgrounds being put on the judging panel. At

:44:20. > :44:21.tonight's Brits, more than 20 nominations have gone to non-white

:44:22. > :44:44.artists. Let's look at the nominees. # Shut up.

:44:45. > :44:48.# How can you be better than me? # Back up dancer.

:44:49. > :44:55.# I want to chat about back-up dancer. . #

:44:56. > :45:17.# Rachel will get her hair braided. # My mum don't your mum.

:45:18. > :45:48.# Trust no one. # Sing me a song.

:45:49. > :46:00.# Turn me around so I can be everything I was meant to be.

:46:01. > :46:21.Charmaine Hayden who runs an online music show, and Lauren Page,

:46:22. > :46:42.Kano is up for three awards. I'm glad the time has come where grime

:46:43. > :46:48.can be recognised. Why has it taken long? Is it that grime artists

:46:49. > :46:53.aren't signed to big labels so they don't president the music forward?

:46:54. > :46:59.Is it racism? What is it? Grime is a new genre. It has been around for 15

:47:00. > :47:02.years. I think everything takes time to nurture and be out there in the

:47:03. > :47:16.right place at the right time. Very professional platform, all the

:47:17. > :47:19.artists are doing well. The youth, in London, across Britain, the right

:47:20. > :47:34.time to be nominated. Is it mainstream? It is worldwide.

:47:35. > :47:41.Does that change the John wrote? Do you welcome a bigger audience? I

:47:42. > :47:47.feel like the underground is mainstream, still underground in the

:47:48. > :47:50.meantime. Do you reckon? Important to commercialise what is existing,

:47:51. > :47:54.rather than turning it into something already commercial. It is

:47:55. > :48:03.just about progressing the art form, as it is. Let's talk about what

:48:04. > :48:08.happened last year, the contrasts in terms of nominations. You were

:48:09. > :48:19.brought on the judging panel. What did you think about the nominees

:48:20. > :48:29.last year? It is a bit of an oversight. That is being polite? I

:48:30. > :48:35.think the judging panel was a bit outdated. Not as useful as it was

:48:36. > :48:41.now. I have to take my hat off to the chairman, he took on board the

:48:42. > :48:46.comments. The outrage online. What he did, he acted on it. Which is the

:48:47. > :48:54.best thing to do. Acting on it, involving some more youthful people,

:48:55. > :49:02.people from ethnic backgrounds, making the judging panel more even.

:49:03. > :49:05.As a music fan, what did you think of the nominees last year,

:49:06. > :49:21.contrasting with this year? Last year, it highlighted the lack of

:49:22. > :49:27.diversity in the nominees. The very popular group he brought an album or

:49:28. > :49:32.not even nominated. Number two album, fantastic, not even

:49:33. > :49:38.nominated. Looking at the sheer diversity this year, absolutely over

:49:39. > :49:45.the moon to see those acts, they really deserve it. As a pure music

:49:46. > :49:54.fan, is the diversity issue overhyped? Sometimes, there are that

:49:55. > :49:59.many genres in music, people sometimes think it is overhyped,

:50:00. > :50:03.they think we need loads of different genres to fit in. For the

:50:04. > :50:07.BRIT Awards specifically, and others, it is not overhyped, giving

:50:08. > :50:15.people the recognition they deserve. Nice that this year they have

:50:16. > :50:21.finally realised that grime, I don't know how to put it, pop music has

:50:22. > :50:24.always been a big factor of the Brits, and it is nice that grime is

:50:25. > :50:32.just as popular, getting the artists out there. What did you think about

:50:33. > :50:36.the nominees last year? The nominees last year, I would have loved to

:50:37. > :50:43.have seen some of the grime acts involved. It is still good. 48

:50:44. > :50:47.nominations last year, only two went to an artist from an ethnic minority

:50:48. > :50:55.background, in the international categories. You are smiling, like it

:50:56. > :51:00.is unbelievable? Definitely last year, there was an oversight. The

:51:01. > :51:14.main thing is, this year it is being corrected. I'm sure you will help to

:51:15. > :51:19.bring things together. It is looking better, looking good. The important

:51:20. > :51:25.thing, not just to make it a whole big grime thing. I don't think the

:51:26. > :51:34.Brits did too much, they just had enough. Really important for some it

:51:35. > :51:43.is not a trophy category, the best crime was not there is not the best

:51:44. > :51:51.rock award, Best pop award. We just want recognition for what we do.

:51:52. > :52:00.We're just as big as all these other categories of music. Do you remember

:52:01. > :52:05.when Joss Stone won best urban act? It was an oversight, yet again.

:52:06. > :52:16.Things have come a long way. You are a judge, what is it you are looking

:52:17. > :52:19.for? What we're looking for, you are given an option of nominees for each

:52:20. > :52:26.category, you pick the nominees for rich category. I am looking for who

:52:27. > :52:34.has had an impact full year. Who has put out the best music. Whatever is

:52:35. > :52:46.relative to that category. What are you looking for tonight? When you

:52:47. > :52:52.look at Kano, big categories, Best British solo male, Best album of the

:52:53. > :53:01.year. I just take some of them bring it home. That is the main thing. Is

:53:02. > :53:10.it easier for new artists, like Stormzy? Easier to win, or make it?

:53:11. > :53:16.It may be easier in context. We are in Internet age, it was not like

:53:17. > :53:21.that, it was restricted before, you had to get on certain platforms. Now

:53:22. > :53:27.it is easier just to be yourself, put out good music. Become as big

:53:28. > :53:35.and successful as you need to be. Great time for grime. Stormzy is

:53:36. > :53:41.here at the right time. With his outburst last year, that has created

:53:42. > :53:45.all of this. Allowing people to really take grime seriously.

:53:46. > :53:52.Understanding it is not a small force, it is a force to be reckoned

:53:53. > :53:57.with. Why did it have to be taken seriously? It has to be taken

:53:58. > :54:03.seriously because it is not a micro niche, it is an important part of

:54:04. > :54:09.culture, people like it. You have to credit the hard work that has been

:54:10. > :54:16.put in, by the musicians. Kano doing music for a long time, impacting a

:54:17. > :54:25.lot of people's lives. People like Stormzy, pretty new, doing a lot of

:54:26. > :54:30.work in the DIY manner. The artists, people are loving them, why aren't

:54:31. > :54:37.we recognise the talent? Tell us about the work that goes into it?

:54:38. > :54:44.Pirate radio. Trying to get everything captured. A lot of work

:54:45. > :54:47.being put in. If he did not get its value in full worth, disappointing

:54:48. > :55:01.to see this is what is going on right now. People appreciate the

:55:02. > :55:09.work ethic? So of course they do, they can understand, they can see

:55:10. > :55:12.the growth. People my age, 30, started liking this when they were

:55:13. > :55:18.15, they can see how far it has come. Even the new grime fans go

:55:19. > :55:25.back and see the whole stuff. They can understand where we have come

:55:26. > :55:31.from. I was nine, ten when I first started hearing the sound. I am 21

:55:32. > :55:38.now. Over ten years. Thank you very much. We will see what happens.

:55:39. > :55:44.Lauren, thank you very much as well. Let's bring you breaking news, from

:55:45. > :55:50.the Supreme Court. The ruling on immigration, so that a few moments

:55:51. > :55:54.ago, it looks like the government have won on principle. The law is

:55:55. > :56:03.lawful. They have lost on the detail. I'm reading this for the

:56:04. > :56:06.first time the Supreme Court has said the government? New rules

:56:07. > :56:11.preventing people on low incomes bringing husbands and wives to the

:56:12. > :56:16.UK could be compatible with human rights laws in principle. The judge

:56:17. > :56:21.said the rules, the minimum income requirement, are defective, they do

:56:22. > :56:28.not take sufficient account of the welfare of the children involved,

:56:29. > :56:34.and different sort of incomes. British citizens can only bring in a

:56:35. > :56:39.static that an income of ?18,600 or more. Rising if children are

:56:40. > :56:45.involved. The seven judges said it has caused hardship to thousands of

:56:46. > :56:54.couples. If you be compatible with Human Rights Act. He had a

:56:55. > :56:59.legitimate aim that couples play a full part in British life, but it

:57:00. > :57:08.fails if it does not take the full interest of children into primary

:57:09. > :57:12.consideration. Looks like those rules may have to be amended. We

:57:13. > :57:18.will talk to our correspondent live in the next few minutes, bringing

:57:19. > :57:26.you the definitive ruling. Time for latest weather.

:57:27. > :57:31.We're talking about Storm Doris, bringing nasty weather to the United

:57:32. > :57:36.Kingdom. Looking at the satellite picture, a

:57:37. > :57:42.streak of cloud in the Atlantic. This is where Doris is, nothing

:57:43. > :57:49.particularly exciting in the five miles an hour wind, that the low

:57:50. > :57:58.pressure will go underneath, 150 mile jet stream, a rapid fall in

:57:59. > :58:01.pressure, 24 millibars in 24 hours. Meteorologists referring to this as

:58:02. > :58:10.a weather bomb. It becomes Doris into tomorrow. Severe weather in to

:58:11. > :58:14.parts of the United Kingdom, strong winds buffeting parts of North

:58:15. > :58:18.England, North Wales, parts of northern England. Risk of snow in

:58:19. > :58:24.parts of Scotland. Disruptive weather like. Here is the picture

:58:25. > :58:28.through the rest of the day. Gusts reaching 70 miles an hour in the

:58:29. > :58:33.Northern Isles of Scotland. Blustery showers through the north-west.

:58:34. > :58:38.Quite warm in the north-east of Scotland, but the wind easing down.

:58:39. > :58:42.Rain into Northern Ireland in the afternoon. North-west England,

:58:43. > :58:50.pretty wet around greater Manchester and Merseyside. Rain continuing into

:58:51. > :58:56.the north-west of England and Wales. Quite windy day, mild with it.

:58:57. > :58:59.Temperatures around 13 degrees. Overnight, rain pepping up in

:59:00. > :59:06.Northern Ireland. First signs of Doris arriving. We will see some

:59:07. > :59:10.rapid pressure falls in the system, as it moves in overnight and

:59:11. > :59:14.tomorrow morning. That is when we see the weather impact developing.

:59:15. > :59:19.We have already seen in amber warning from the Met office. Gusts

:59:20. > :59:23.of wind likely to reach 80 miles an hour in North Wales, the North of

:59:24. > :59:28.England, up towards Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and the North. These

:59:29. > :59:33.winds likely to cause damage and disruption if you are out and about,

:59:34. > :59:38.stay tuned for the weather forecast. In the Northern edge of a weather

:59:39. > :59:42.system heavy snow in the uplands. 20, 30 centimetres up here,

:59:43. > :59:46.disruptive, potentially snow down to lower elevations for a time. Parts

:59:47. > :59:53.of the central belt. Disruption to power and transport. Thanks to

:59:54. > :59:58.Doris. Disruptive weather. Northern Ireland, heavy rain, localised

:59:59. > :00:02.flooding. Further south, strong gusts of wind, 50, 60 miles an hour

:00:03. > :00:09.from the strong enough to bring down tree branches. Friday looks quieter,

:00:10. > :00:13.sunny spells and many of us, then the next system brings rain back

:00:14. > :00:18.into the north-west of the UK. Temperature wise, between 6-10dC.

:00:19. > :00:25.Looking at the storm tomorrow, storm Doris bringing a combination of

:00:26. > :00:26.severe gales, damaging and disruptive, and nasty snow in high

:00:27. > :00:35.parts of Scotland. Good morning.

:00:36. > :00:39.It is 10am. It's Wednesday. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The Supreme

:00:40. > :00:42.Court rules on whether British citizens can bring their spouses to

:00:43. > :00:45.the UK. The Government won a partial victory, but judges say the current

:00:46. > :00:49.rules don't look enough at the welfare of children involved. We'll

:00:50. > :00:53.bring you all the details. We will be finding out how a British man and

:00:54. > :00:57.terror suspect who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee was allowed

:00:58. > :01:02.it leave the UK and carry out a suicide attack in Iraq.

:01:03. > :01:05.Also children who are victims of violence or sexual crimes are being

:01:06. > :01:11.made to feel like criminals when they report the crimes. That's

:01:12. > :01:15.according to the Victims' Commissioner, we'll speak to her and

:01:16. > :01:17.a teenager who says it was' waste of time reporting what happened to him

:01:18. > :01:24.to the police. Joanna is in the BBC

:01:25. > :01:31.Newsroom with a summary The Supreme Court said that the

:01:32. > :01:36.Government rules restricting the rules of British people to bring

:01:37. > :01:39.foreign spouses into the UK are compatible with Human Rights

:01:40. > :01:42.legislation in principle, but it added that the rules as they stand

:01:43. > :01:45.are defective because they don't make the interests of children

:01:46. > :01:48.affected by them a primary consideration. The judges' also said

:01:49. > :01:53.that alternative sources of income should be taken into consideration.

:01:54. > :01:57.Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton, but are from outside

:01:58. > :02:01.the European Economic Area, that's the EU, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein

:02:02. > :02:07.and Norway have been barred from settling here unless their partner

:02:08. > :02:10.earns more than ?18600 a year. We'll get more from our

:02:11. > :02:13.correspondent at the Supreme Court shortly.

:02:14. > :02:16.An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised

:02:17. > :02:18.by the Government to help people facing starvation in

:02:19. > :02:21.The additional funds will go towards providing food,

:02:22. > :02:24.water and emergency health care for more than two million people.

:02:25. > :02:26.Ministers say the international response has been inadequate

:02:27. > :02:31.and are urging other countries to join the effort.

:02:32. > :02:37.Britain's leadership will basically mean that we'll be saving lives,

:02:38. > :02:40.bringing vital assistance to people in desperate need, but also putting

:02:41. > :02:45.the call out to the international community to get them to step up, to

:02:46. > :02:49.galvanise their support so that we can have a strong international

:02:50. > :02:50.response to what quite frankly could be a devastating humanitarian

:02:51. > :02:57.crisis. A convicted murderer is on the run

:02:58. > :03:00.after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28,

:03:01. > :03:03.was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug

:03:04. > :03:06.dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside

:03:07. > :03:08.Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car

:03:09. > :03:10.with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and

:03:11. > :03:14.the public should not approach him. It's thought that a British man,

:03:15. > :03:17.who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called

:03:18. > :03:19.Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation

:03:20. > :03:21.from the UK Government after being arrested

:03:22. > :03:23.in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called

:03:24. > :03:28.Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously known

:03:29. > :03:31.as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler,

:03:32. > :03:34.detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a

:03:35. > :03:35.village south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained

:03:36. > :03:38.in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect,

:03:39. > :03:41.but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has

:03:42. > :03:51.reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

:03:52. > :03:53.helped by a reduction in payment protection

:03:54. > :03:56.insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

:03:57. > :03:59.to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

:04:00. > :04:05.has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

:04:06. > :04:27.to full private ownership this year. A bull has been on the case in New

:04:28. > :04:33.York, in Queen's. It gave officers the slip before it was tranquillized

:04:34. > :04:37.and captured in a back gardenment an animal sanctuary offered to re-home

:04:38. > :04:45.the bull, but sadly it died on the way on its way to the centre.

:04:46. > :04:49.Let's go live to the Supreme Court, we have had the ruling that the

:04:50. > :04:53.minimum income requirement, that threshold of ?18600, according to

:04:54. > :04:56.the Supreme Court judges' is compatible with Human Rights ledge

:04:57. > :05:05.slags, but the rules don't take into account children enough. Fill us in

:05:06. > :05:09.Dominic? We're in legal PhD territory. It is a complicated

:05:10. > :05:13.ruling. In short, the claimants, the couples who said they were divided

:05:14. > :05:17.by this controversial ruling since 2012, in technical legal terms they

:05:18. > :05:21.have won their appeal, but broadly speaking from the Supreme Court said

:05:22. > :05:25.is that the Home Office is objective of using a minimum income system to

:05:26. > :05:31.control who comes into the UK is lawful. It does stand the test of

:05:32. > :05:36.time and they haven't suggested it should be knocked out by a fresh, a

:05:37. > :05:41.re-think by Parliament. Now, in short, what they've said is the

:05:42. > :05:45.problem with it is how this applies to children. They have said that

:05:46. > :05:49.immigration officers aren't effectively given any guidance about

:05:50. > :05:54.how they should take into account the rights of children. Secondly, a

:05:55. > :05:57.broader question about how you assess what a couple's income S let

:05:58. > :06:02.me go back a step and explain what the rule is. In essence a couple who

:06:03. > :06:06.want to settle in the UK where one partner is born outside of Europe

:06:07. > :06:11.and the other is a British citizen or a settled refugee, the partner

:06:12. > :06:16.here in the UK, they have to have a minimum income of ?18600, that rises

:06:17. > :06:19.if they have children. And that income is effectively the

:06:20. > :06:24.sponsorship of the partner they want to bring in. Irrespective of how

:06:25. > :06:29.much the other partner earnings. Partner earns. Thousands of

:06:30. > :06:33.claimants said it is a jolly unfair system, but the Supreme Court said

:06:34. > :06:41.it is not. It is legitimate even it does have a harsh effect. This is

:06:42. > :06:44.really complicated. I've got Nicola Burgess who has been involved with

:06:45. > :06:50.this case from the beginning. Nicola, is this a win, a loss or a

:06:51. > :06:54.score draw? Well, we consider it to be a win. We're delighted by the

:06:55. > :06:57.judgement. Thousands of people have been affected by this unfair rule

:06:58. > :07:04.and that includes British citizens and British children. JCWI have been

:07:05. > :07:07.campaigning against the rules since its inception almost five years ago.

:07:08. > :07:11.We've compiled a report which was referred to in the judgement which

:07:12. > :07:16.documented the impact on children who have been separated from a

:07:17. > :07:19.parent. And that detailed the emotional and psychological harm

:07:20. > :07:24.that's been caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41%

:07:25. > :07:28.of the UK's population couldn't satisfy. The court acknowledged that

:07:29. > :07:33.it caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue

:07:34. > :07:37.to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That how

:07:38. > :07:41.has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they

:07:42. > :07:44.do have to take into account the best interests of children, that has

:07:45. > :07:49.to be the post-roomry attention. But the whole thing could end up with no

:07:50. > :07:54.real change to many families. What the court has said the fact is in

:07:55. > :07:57.their words it does cause hardship to many families, but it is not

:07:58. > :08:01.incompatible with Human Rights law, and what they have said is go back,

:08:02. > :08:04.tweak the rules and in many cases, you're going to have thousands, or

:08:05. > :08:07.potentially of thousands of families, you tell me, who still

:08:08. > :08:12.won't come up above the minimum income threshold that the Home

:08:13. > :08:17.Office has set. In essence that feels like it's a Government

:08:18. > :08:21.victory? No, I would disagree. There is a benefit to thousands of

:08:22. > :08:25.families including those with children. The Government must

:08:26. > :08:27.implement a wider balance. It has to be a fair balance between the rights

:08:28. > :08:31.of individuals and the public interest. Am I right in saying some

:08:32. > :08:35.of the families that have been affected have been in bizarre

:08:36. > :08:38.circumstances so to speak where you have had a partner outside the UK

:08:39. > :08:42.who is earning more than the partner inside the UK? Exactly. The unfair

:08:43. > :08:47.position before today's judgement was that the future earn power could

:08:48. > :08:51.not be taken into account. The court has now opened the door for the

:08:52. > :08:54.Government to revisit that, so alternative sources of income can be

:08:55. > :08:57.taken into account. There is a long way to go on the story. Nicola,

:08:58. > :09:01.thank you very much. What will happen now is the Home Office will

:09:02. > :09:04.have to consider its response and how it's going to tweak the rules to

:09:05. > :09:09.comply with what the Supreme Court has said. In essence that will mean

:09:10. > :09:14.probably a lot of these cases will end back up in immigration tribunals

:09:15. > :09:18.and back in the courts whilst they try and thrash out whether or not

:09:19. > :09:20.couples can settle legally here in the UK. Thank you very much,

:09:21. > :09:24.Dominic. The former England cricketer

:09:25. > :09:28.Ryan Sidebottom will retire at the end of next season after 20

:09:29. > :09:32.years of first class cricket. He's taken over 1,000 wickets,

:09:33. > :09:34.won five county championships, He joins me now

:09:35. > :09:47.from our Leeds studio. Ryan, it is so good to have you with

:09:48. > :09:50.us. Now, I know you've got a few matches to go. You've got a few

:09:51. > :09:54.matches to play, but what memories... Just a few. What

:09:55. > :09:57.memories will you take away from the sport? Lots of fond memories. I have

:09:58. > :10:04.been very fortunate throughout my career to play 20 years, to be able

:10:05. > :10:09.to hang my boots up and retire on my terms, obviously, I'm very happy and

:10:10. > :10:13.very proud, but I think just lots of great memories, winning trophies,

:10:14. > :10:17.representing my country and my county, playing for Nottinghamshire

:10:18. > :10:23.also, and making, you know, making numerous amounts of friends and

:10:24. > :10:28.playing against and with my heroes. Those are the stand-out memories.

:10:29. > :10:32.Very, lucky and very fortunate. Bowling, it not easy on the body,

:10:33. > :10:36.but your numbers suggest that you're still competing as much as you ever

:10:37. > :10:43.did. How can you kept your body in shape? A little bit more rest. A

:10:44. > :10:48.very understanding coach. With me being a senior bowler I suppose he

:10:49. > :10:53.looks at me and I get get to use the stripes on my sleeve and get a few

:10:54. > :10:58.extra days off. Ice baths, I do a lot of yoga. I try and keep myself

:10:59. > :11:02.as fit and as healthy as possible. Everyone is so young. I think

:11:03. > :11:06.they're all out of nappies! They keep me young and fresh and young at

:11:07. > :11:11.heart. I'm sure you witnessed the game

:11:12. > :11:14.change a lot during your career and the England side probably changed a

:11:15. > :11:18.lot during your time and now we have Joe Root who is the new captain to

:11:19. > :11:22.lead the team forward, do you think he's the right man for the job? Most

:11:23. > :11:28.definitely. Look, Joe Root is a great player. He has achieved so

:11:29. > :11:32.much in a short space of time. This England team are very exciting.

:11:33. > :11:36.They're still very youthful and they're learning every day. They're

:11:37. > :11:40.getting better and better and very strong as a team and as a unit and I

:11:41. > :11:44.think Joe inherited a very good side. I think under Joe it will

:11:45. > :11:49.bring more of an exciting brand of cricket and the way he plays. He's

:11:50. > :11:52.very mature and knows the game inside out and very knowledgeable so

:11:53. > :11:56.I'm really looking forward too Joe's tenure as captain. I think it is

:11:57. > :12:00.exciting times ahead for England. Now, I hear once you retire, you

:12:01. > :12:05.might go into property development which reminds me of another

:12:06. > :12:12.ex-sportsman, Dion Dublin, could we see you popping up on Homes Under

:12:13. > :12:17.The Hammer? I might walk around with Dion and hold his hand for a few

:12:18. > :12:22.episodes. I will do something different. I'm very excited about,

:12:23. > :12:27.you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, develop property,

:12:28. > :12:30.something I really love. I like the textures and furnishings and stuff

:12:31. > :12:33.like that. I love walking around shops and looking at things and

:12:34. > :12:37.trying to bring colour to the houses. So I'm, that's something

:12:38. > :12:41.away from the game. It is another love of mine and I suppose when I

:12:42. > :12:45.finish I will look back with fondness, but it is another story,

:12:46. > :12:49.another chapter. Ryan, thank you for talking to us. That's all the sport

:12:50. > :12:51.for now, Victoria. Cheers Jess, cheers, Ryan. Thank you

:12:52. > :13:01.for coming on the programme. Let's get more on the Supreme Court

:13:02. > :13:06.ruling on spouse visas. Judges ruled the income threshold is fair, but

:13:07. > :13:18.ministers must do more to consider the children.

:13:19. > :13:23.Sophie Barrett-Brown is here. She lobbied to change the legislation on

:13:24. > :13:29.the minimum income requirement. It looks like you have failed. How do

:13:30. > :13:32.you respond? Well, it is hugely it is appointing for all the families

:13:33. > :13:36.involved and for everyone involved in the lobbying in the case, but

:13:37. > :13:42.there are some hopeful elements. We need to look at the judgement in

:13:43. > :13:45.detail. But there is acknowledgement that it is inadequate in how it

:13:46. > :13:49.deals with the rights of children and we need to see changes happening

:13:50. > :13:56.so the rules don't operate in a Draconian way. The threshold stays?

:13:57. > :13:59.It stays, but in relation how they can deal with exceptionality, this

:14:00. > :14:03.is where there could be scope. We have got to look at the judgement in

:14:04. > :14:06.detail, but there is no doubt that it doesn't take adequate account of

:14:07. > :14:11.the interests of the child and their obligations to take account of the

:14:12. > :14:23.factors. The way they deal with those issues is inadequate.

:14:24. > :14:39.Wayne, what's your reaction? The Home Office

:14:40. > :14:46.said to my wife The interests of the child has to be one of the primary

:14:47. > :14:48.considerations which it has to be. The Home Office ignored that

:14:49. > :15:24.requirement. If there is this should be refusing

:15:25. > :15:35.us. Not entirely a loss, children are the real losers. Single-parent

:15:36. > :15:40.families. The main aim is that because family life should not be

:15:41. > :15:47.created at the taxpayers' expense. The government have mentioned that

:15:48. > :15:51.aim. When spouses are here, there is an attachment they are not allowed

:15:52. > :15:57.public funds. They have to pay in NHS surcharge, not taking out of the

:15:58. > :16:05.NHS, paying towards the NHS anyway every time we apply for a Visa.

:16:06. > :16:11.Every time parents come, there are children, they should be entitled to

:16:12. > :16:19.two parents. Established point of EU law, child is entitled to two

:16:20. > :16:29.parents in direct contact. Wayne circumnavigated the legislation.

:16:30. > :16:33.There is a route affecting British citizen so they are treated like an

:16:34. > :16:39.EU citizen. EU citizens do not have to meet the

:16:40. > :16:46.minimum threshold. They can live elsewhere in the EU, and return to

:16:47. > :16:53.the UK. But those rules have become increasingly prospective. Many would

:16:54. > :16:58.argue is unlawful under EU law. Since November 20 16, one cannot use

:16:59. > :17:01.that role if it is for the purpose of circumventing the Jewish

:17:02. > :17:08.immigration rules. It may become much more difficult. You effectively

:17:09. > :17:11.moved to Ireland, which is an EU member, with your wife, lived there

:17:12. > :17:17.for three months, worked there for three months, then came back to

:17:18. > :17:22.Britain. We moved to Ireland. I have lived and worked in the EU before,

:17:23. > :17:29.lived in Finland in 2004, working for a business. I have already lived

:17:30. > :17:36.in the EU. I should have been treated as an EU citizen anyway. I

:17:37. > :17:44.was trading across the EU. It helps your wife, originally from

:17:45. > :17:48.Indonesia. Final thought. The Home Office will have to tweak the rules.

:17:49. > :17:55.What will it mean for those waiting to find out whether the spouse could

:17:56. > :17:59.not? More delay and anxiety. Don't see this being the end of the

:18:00. > :18:04.matter, the lobbying will continue. It is not about the minimum income,

:18:05. > :18:08.it is about how the rule is applied. The evidence required, making it an

:18:09. > :18:11.extraordinary hurdle to overcome. You cannot combine incomes, you

:18:12. > :18:15.cannot count the income of the spouse coming. These are features

:18:16. > :18:26.where we can seek to have some changes made. News coming into us.

:18:27. > :18:32.The BBC announcing it is to create a new channel for Scotland, part of

:18:33. > :18:36.plan on seeing the biggest single investment in the Corporation north

:18:37. > :18:40.of the border for 20 years. A new TV channel for Scotland, which would

:18:41. > :18:41.see the biggest single investment in the corporation in Scotland for more

:18:42. > :18:45.than two decades. Twenty years on from her tragic

:18:46. > :18:47.death, a new exhibition is being opened in London

:18:48. > :18:49.to celebrate the life of Princess Diana, and some

:18:50. > :18:52.of her trend-setting fashions. We'll get a sneak peek of the show

:18:53. > :18:58.before it opens on Friday. How was a British man,

:18:59. > :19:01.who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee, allowed to leave the UK

:19:02. > :19:06.and carry out a suicide attack for the so called

:19:07. > :19:09.Islamic State group? He's from Manchester and is also

:19:10. > :19:16.known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani He is believed to have carried

:19:17. > :19:22.out a suicide bombing This final photograph shows him

:19:23. > :19:30.grinning, reportedly on his way Fiddler was born in Manchester

:19:31. > :19:34.in 1966 to parents of Jamaican origin It's thought he converted

:19:35. > :19:40.to Islam in the 1990s. He worked as a web designer before

:19:41. > :19:44.he travelled to Pakistan for he what he claimed

:19:45. > :19:46.was a religious holiday, shortly He was arrested in Pakistan

:19:47. > :19:52.and transferred to Fiddler was held there for two years

:19:53. > :20:01.before being repatriated to Britain in 2004 and released without charge

:20:02. > :20:04.- reportedly winning compensation Ten years later, in April 2014,

:20:05. > :20:21.Ronald fiddler travelled to Turkey and then to Syria to join

:20:22. > :20:23.the so called Islamic State His wife told the Daily Mirror

:20:24. > :20:28.newspaper that she and their five children went to Syria

:20:29. > :20:33.try to persuade him to come back, but failed, and they ended up having

:20:34. > :20:35.to flee for their lives With me is Arthur Snell who was head

:20:36. > :20:41.of the Prevent programme - the initiative aimed at preventing

:20:42. > :20:46.violent extremism - he worked at the foreign

:20:47. > :20:51.office from 2008-2011 and in Central London,

:20:52. > :20:56.we're joined by Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer

:20:57. > :21:09.of terrorism legislation How was this man able to leave the

:21:10. > :21:18.country? A very good question, this is a high-profile individual,

:21:19. > :21:21.everybody knew about him, when he came back from Grant and obey there

:21:22. > :21:24.was a lot of media coverage. There is a gap in the story, the

:21:25. > :21:30.authorities lost track of him, at the point he decided to go to Syria,

:21:31. > :21:34.nobody stopped in doing that. There are number of British citizens,

:21:35. > :21:42.residents, released from Guantanamo Bay. When they were back in the

:21:43. > :21:46.country, where they covertly monitored by security services?

:21:47. > :21:51.Those details are not released. Intelligence services and police

:21:52. > :21:57.have a duty to keep tabs on people who could be a threat to the public

:21:58. > :22:02.in one way or another. IS did not exist when he returned from

:22:03. > :22:08.Guantanamo Bay. The organisation before it was Al-Qaeda, it involves,

:22:09. > :22:14.morphed. He could have been radicalised in the last three, four

:22:15. > :22:18.years. It is open to question. Looking back is to be. Ambiguous

:22:19. > :22:26.someone would take a holiday after the 9/11 attacks in Pakistan. A

:22:27. > :22:28.religious holiday. I am not in position to judge whether that is

:22:29. > :22:37.correct. There is certainly ambiguity. The US and Nancy had

:22:38. > :22:41.senior links to Al-Qaeda members. That has not been verified, could be

:22:42. > :22:46.possible. If there was evidence, he could have been put on trial after

:22:47. > :22:53.Guantanamo Bay? That has been one of the problems. The UK decided it did

:22:54. > :23:00.not agree with the Guantanamo Bay system. To get the standard of legal

:23:01. > :23:02.evidence to win the trial is much harder, than the intelligence

:23:03. > :23:08.information you would not want to reveal in open court. Let's bring in

:23:09. > :23:14.Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer of terrorism, and

:23:15. > :23:22.crossbench peer. Some British taxpayers will feel that he was paid

:23:23. > :23:26.over ?1 million in compensation for alleged British complicity in

:23:27. > :23:35.torture at Guantanamo Bay. Was that fair? First of all, I don't know. I

:23:36. > :23:41.don't believe anybody who knows something about the case knows how

:23:42. > :23:46.much he was paid. That was in the media. He was paid a substantial

:23:47. > :23:49.amount of money. He tried to bring in action in the United States, on

:23:50. > :23:55.national security grounds he was not able to make any progress, or

:23:56. > :24:00.maintain damages. In the United Kingdom, the rules of disclosure

:24:01. > :24:05.from the defendant, the British government, and the claimant, are

:24:06. > :24:11.different. National security material would have had to been

:24:12. > :24:16.disclosed, according including to him, if the case was to go further.

:24:17. > :24:19.Quite rightly, the government decided it was not going to disclose

:24:20. > :24:24.such material either to him or anyone else in a similar position.

:24:25. > :24:28.It did mean that the only alternative was to pay some money.

:24:29. > :24:35.That is why the money was paid, and we have to examine whether we can

:24:36. > :24:38.improve that system to make it more like the United States physicians so

:24:39. > :24:43.we are not face of the situation again. Ronald Fiddler could spend

:24:44. > :24:50.that money on anything he wanted to, including giving it to IS. He could,

:24:51. > :24:55.once it is his money, he could spend it, subject to him spending it

:24:56. > :24:59.lawfully. If he spends it unlawfully, the relevant control

:25:00. > :25:05.authorities would have been able to detect that. It looks as if he went

:25:06. > :25:11.quiet for a considerable period. How surprised are you that he was able

:25:12. > :25:20.to leave Britain, to travel to Syria, via Turkey? I am surprised he

:25:21. > :25:26.was able to leave Britain. It shows that the lists of people, the red

:25:27. > :25:32.flagging people, who have terrorist connections, is not as robust as it

:25:33. > :25:36.should be. It has worked, generally speaking. This man slipped through

:25:37. > :25:41.the net. On the other side of the coin, one has to be thankful he was

:25:42. > :25:44.not going to be able to carry terrorist acts in the United

:25:45. > :25:49.Kingdom, because it is very difficult to do that. At the time,

:25:50. > :25:56.the then Home Secretary, Labour's David Blunkett, said those released

:25:57. > :26:02.from Guantanamo Bay, British citizens, released early in the last

:26:03. > :26:06.decade, were not a security risk. He may not have been a security risk

:26:07. > :26:11.event for me could have been radicalised in recent years. You as

:26:12. > :26:14.an independent reviewer of terrorist legislation would have expected him

:26:15. > :26:20.to be monitored by security services? I would have expected him

:26:21. > :26:26.to be monitored on his return. What David Blunkett said is what he

:26:27. > :26:30.believes, based on the advice he received at the time. A lot has

:26:31. > :26:35.happened since Ronald Fiddler returned to the United Kingdom. What

:26:36. > :26:39.one would expect is for the police and other agencies to keep an eye on

:26:40. > :26:44.him, until such time as they thought he presented no danger. It looks as

:26:45. > :26:48.if he laid low for a considerable period, possibly because he

:26:49. > :26:53.recovered a lot of compensation, and was quietly working his way through

:26:54. > :27:00.it. Reactivating his radical instincts and tendencies, leaving

:27:01. > :27:05.the country as he did. We cannot possibly expect realistically for

:27:06. > :27:09.everybody who returns to be followed for every minute of their time. We

:27:10. > :27:15.cannot incarcerate them unless they have committed during all offences,

:27:16. > :27:25.which have to be proved to a high criminal standard in front of a

:27:26. > :27:30.British jury. Is there some sort of lesson here to the authorities in

:27:31. > :27:34.this country for so getting the evidence is a really good idea,

:27:35. > :27:41.because you can put it in front of a jury? Clearly, as Lord Carlile has

:27:42. > :27:47.said, lots of people have been prevented from travelling to Syria.

:27:48. > :27:53.This case is clearly a failure. A big challenge on the question of

:27:54. > :27:56.evidence. The standard of evidence in criminal court is very high, the

:27:57. > :28:01.way it should be. People do not want to live in a police state where

:28:02. > :28:05.everyone is followed around. Equally in some cases, the any material you

:28:06. > :28:07.have that demonstrates what people abruptly comes from intelligence

:28:08. > :28:15.which cannot be revealed in this context. Thank you very much.

:28:16. > :28:24.This e-mail from Rebecca, who wants to share experience of the UK's

:28:25. > :28:32.immigration policy. In light of that ruling from the Supreme Court in the

:28:33. > :28:36.last 24 hours. My husband, from New Zealand and I returned to the UK

:28:37. > :28:41.from Germany. My husband had a job paying ?70,000, and I was

:28:42. > :28:47.self-employed, 30 weeks pregnant. I did not meet the requirements for

:28:48. > :28:54.the threshold, we were only able to settle back into the UK through be

:28:55. > :29:12.used loophole. -- through the E used loophole. This directive does not

:29:13. > :29:14.favour a woman, possibly one planning on having children. It is

:29:15. > :29:20.incompatible with a woman's reality. I've never heard of a woman having a

:29:21. > :29:25.pay rise when having a child. We now live in Madrid, we can live here

:29:26. > :29:31.without issue. I feel completely unwelcome in my home country. The

:29:32. > :29:37.Home Office needs to get back to basics, recognising the hardship it

:29:38. > :29:41.causes, and take into account the joint income into account.

:29:42. > :29:43.Ever since her first public appearance in the 1980s,

:29:44. > :29:45.Princess Diana captivated the world's attention as a princess,

:29:46. > :29:49.Twenty years after her tragic death, there's a new exhibition opening

:29:50. > :29:52.in London to celebrate her life and her trend-setting fashions.

:29:53. > :29:54.Today we're taking a sneak peek at the show before

:29:55. > :30:09.Our reporter Kathryn Stanczyszyn is at Kensington Palace for us,

:30:10. > :30:16.This special exhibition is marking 20 years since the death of the

:30:17. > :30:21.Princess of Wales and it is doing it through fashion, marking from when

:30:22. > :30:26.she was a young debutant, a teenager into 1979 up to her death in 1997

:30:27. > :30:34.and it features some stunning outfits. Outfits like this one

:30:35. > :30:39.behind me. She was photographed in this in 1990 at Leicester Square at

:30:40. > :30:44.an official visit. Just the detail on there, beautiful dresses there,

:30:45. > :30:47.that span all the way through five rooms of these dresses. She was one

:30:48. > :30:53.of the most photographed women in the world. Long before social media

:30:54. > :30:57.and instant photographs, but people scrutinised her completely, she was,

:30:58. > :31:02.you know, very much watched and her journey through her life was marked

:31:03. > :31:07.through some of her fashion choices. Some of the very famous dresses are,

:31:08. > :31:12.you know, amongst the ones that you remembered from your childhood. This

:31:13. > :31:17.one for instance, she wore to go to the White House and she danced with

:31:18. > :31:25.John Travolta, a moment that's iconic. I'm here with the curator of

:31:26. > :31:32.this exhibition. There has been a huge amount of interest in this?

:31:33. > :31:37.Yes, 2017 marks the 20th anniversary of the death of the Princess of

:31:38. > :31:42.Wales. We receive so many visitors here because it was her former home.

:31:43. > :31:46.We wanted to celebrate her life with an exhibition. She didn't like to be

:31:47. > :31:50.known as a clothes horse actually, but she did understand the language

:31:51. > :31:56.of fashion very well and used it do the job at hand and certainly in her

:31:57. > :32:02.role as princess and ambassador for British fashion and for Britain, we

:32:03. > :32:06.see some of her most Regal gowns. Staff say the phones have been

:32:07. > :32:11.ringing off the hook. Tell us more about this dress. This is one that

:32:12. > :32:15.people will remember? This is a highlight of the exhibition. People

:32:16. > :32:19.think they know it from photographs, but photographs don't do it justice.

:32:20. > :32:28.To see it in the flesh, you understand what a masterclass in

:32:29. > :32:31.design. It has this velvet bodice which should look chunky, but

:32:32. > :32:36.doesn't. It is a classical dress, but it was north nat she was wearing

:32:37. > :32:40.it to the White House in 1985, she didn't know she was going to be

:32:41. > :32:45.dancing with John Travolta. It took a while for him to pluck up the

:32:46. > :32:49.courage to ask her, but they danced for half an hour, the skirt really

:32:50. > :32:54.twirls up as she were spinning around the dance floor. I know that

:32:55. > :32:57.the designer said it felt like a moment that she did become a very

:32:58. > :33:03.elegant woman because before that, she had worn a lot of more girlish

:33:04. > :33:10.outfits? I think that's right. I think in the mid-80s you see a real

:33:11. > :33:16.step change as she moves away from the cluttered, frilly dresses and

:33:17. > :33:24.develops a sophisticated style of dressing. This next dress, I've got

:33:25. > :33:33.to move on to this. This is known as the Elvis dress? It wasn't designed

:33:34. > :33:38.to resemble one of Elvis' jumpsuits. Catherine Walker designed if for an

:33:39. > :33:42.official visit to Hong Kong in 1989. I mean it is in that Royal tradition

:33:43. > :33:49.of dress making that Catherine Walker was so good at. But Diana

:33:50. > :33:52.looked ray dent and Walker said she wanted Diana to feel great in what

:33:53. > :33:59.she was wearing. This dress is covered in 20,000 pearls and the

:34:00. > :34:04.weight of it is really incredible. But Diana looked fantastically

:34:05. > :34:07.radiant in it. Some of her favourite designers, 11 designers represented

:34:08. > :34:11.here throughout the five rooms. It opens at 10am on Friday morning and

:34:12. > :34:13.it will be here for the next two years. Cheers, Catherine. Thank you

:34:14. > :34:18.very much. Still to come, are victims of crime

:34:19. > :34:21.being made to look like criminals? That's the view of the victim's

:34:22. > :34:23.commissioner Baroness Newlove. We'll be speaking to her

:34:24. > :34:27.on this programme shortly. And we'll find out more about the UK

:34:28. > :34:31.Government's promise to help half a million children in South Sudan

:34:32. > :34:33.and Somalia, who are at risk Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:34:34. > :34:45.with a summary of today's news. In the last hour,

:34:46. > :34:51.the Supreme Court has said that government rules restricting

:34:52. > :34:54.the right of British people to bring foreign spouses into the UK

:34:55. > :34:56.are compatible with human rights But it added that the rules

:34:57. > :35:00.as they stand are defective because they don't make

:35:01. > :35:07.the interests of children affected The judges ruled that the rules as

:35:08. > :35:10.they stand are defective and need to be changed because they don't take

:35:11. > :35:15.enough account of the welfare of children affected by them and don't

:35:16. > :35:17.take all sources of earnings into consideration when calculating

:35:18. > :35:19.income. Despite the ruling in favour of the Government, campaign, are

:35:20. > :35:30.hailing it as a victory. Thousands of people have been

:35:31. > :35:33.affected by this unfair rule. JCWR have been campaigning against the

:35:34. > :35:38.rules since its inception almost five years ago. We've compiled a

:35:39. > :35:41.report which was referred to in the judgement which documented the

:35:42. > :35:45.impact on children who have been separated from a parent and that

:35:46. > :35:48.detailed the emotional and psychological harm that's been

:35:49. > :35:53.caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41% of the UK's

:35:54. > :35:57.population couldn't even satisfy. The court also acknowledged that it

:35:58. > :36:02.has caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue

:36:03. > :36:06.to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That now

:36:07. > :36:10.has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they

:36:11. > :36:11.do have to take into account the best interests of children. That has

:36:12. > :36:17.to be the primary attention. An extra ?200 million in emergency

:36:18. > :36:19.humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to help people

:36:20. > :36:22.facing starvation in The additional funds will go

:36:23. > :36:25.towards providing food, water and emergency healthcare

:36:26. > :36:27.for more than two million people. Ministers say the international

:36:28. > :36:29.response has been inadequate and are urging other countries

:36:30. > :36:33.to join the effort. A convicted murderer is on the run

:36:34. > :36:36.after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28,

:36:37. > :36:42.was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug

:36:43. > :36:45.dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside

:36:46. > :36:48.Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car

:36:49. > :36:50.with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and

:36:51. > :36:59.the public should not approach him. Lloyds Banking Group has

:37:00. > :37:00.reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

:37:01. > :37:02.helped by a reduction in payment protection

:37:03. > :37:04.insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

:37:05. > :37:06.to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

:37:07. > :37:11.has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

:37:12. > :37:22.to full private ownership this year. Join me for BBC

:37:23. > :37:28.Newsroom live at 11am. Manchester City manager

:37:29. > :37:40.Pep Guardiola says his side must score in the return leg

:37:41. > :37:43.of their Champions League City came from behind twice

:37:44. > :37:46.to beat the French league leaders 5-3 last night,

:37:47. > :37:48.but says they won't progress unless they counter

:37:49. > :37:50.Monaco's attacking tactics. Meanwhile on the other side

:37:51. > :37:56.of Manchester, United boss Jose Mourinho, says he can't

:37:57. > :37:58.guarantee record goal scorer Wayne Rooney will be

:37:59. > :38:00.at the club next season. The striker has been linked with

:38:01. > :38:04.a move to the Chinese Super League. Wing George North has recovered

:38:05. > :38:06.from a bruised thigh to start for Wales in Saturday's Six Nations

:38:07. > :38:09.match against Scotland Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20-year

:38:10. > :38:13.professional cricket career The Yorkshire fast bowler has won

:38:14. > :38:24.the County Championship five times, and won the T20 World Cup

:38:25. > :38:31.with England in 2010. The Director-General of the BBC has

:38:32. > :38:33.announced that a new TV Channel is to created in Scotland to begin

:38:34. > :38:36.broadcasting in autumn 2018. The channel will have a budget

:38:37. > :38:39.of ?30 million, equivalent The plans for the channel include

:38:40. > :38:44.a Scottish news hour at 9pm. Let's get more from our

:38:45. > :38:47.Scotland Correspondent Lorna Gordon. We can also speak to

:38:48. > :38:49.SNP MP John Nicolson, he sits on the Culture,

:38:50. > :38:51.Media and Sport select committee and is a former Scottish

:38:52. > :39:01.television presenter. Right, Lorna, give us the details.

:39:02. > :39:07.This news has taken everybody by surprise. It has been very, a very

:39:08. > :39:11.well kept secret. There will be a new channel on the digital spectrum

:39:12. > :39:15.that will broadcast Scottish content. It'll have a budget of

:39:16. > :39:22.about ?30 million a year, that's equivalent to BBC Four. It will run

:39:23. > :39:27.from 7pm to midnight. They aim to launch it in August 2018. It will be

:39:28. > :39:30.a mixture of drama and entertainment, documentaries, and it

:39:31. > :39:36.will also have an integrated news hour that will run at 9pm. Everybody

:39:37. > :39:40.is still digesting the news, but certainly, on social media, it is so

:39:41. > :39:46.far at least getting a very warm reception.

:39:47. > :39:51.OK. You probably won't know this yet, Lorna l it have a different

:39:52. > :39:57.drama and entertainment who what's going on on BBC One or BBC Two? My

:39:58. > :40:02.understanding is that BBC One will stay the same as and what will

:40:03. > :40:07.happen se BBC Scotland opts that currently happen on BBC Two will

:40:08. > :40:13.switch to this new channel, but there will be new original content

:40:14. > :40:18.as well, if you look at that ?30 million budget, around ?19 million

:40:19. > :40:22.is new investment, ?11 million has been used to create programming here

:40:23. > :40:26.in Scotland and of course, there is a job knock-on as well. We're

:40:27. > :40:29.talking about 80 new jobs in the newsroom up here in Scotland. People

:40:30. > :40:33.are welcoming that. Saying it will be a good chance to develop talent

:40:34. > :40:40.here in Scotland and retain talent here in Scotland and of course,

:40:41. > :40:44.there will be a number of other jobs elsewhere in this building here in

:40:45. > :40:47.Glasgow to do with the five hours of programming that with start, we

:40:48. > :40:51.think, in August 2018. John Nicholson, how do you react to this,

:40:52. > :40:55.good morning? Good morning. Well I'm delighted whenever I hear there are

:40:56. > :40:58.going to be new jobs, that's an excellent thing and we welcome the

:40:59. > :41:03.new channel. We welcome the extra vement and of course, we welcome the

:41:04. > :41:06.extra ?1 million for the Gaelic language, but what Lorna didn't

:41:07. > :41:10.mention there was hand and glove with this announcement is another

:41:11. > :41:16.announcement which is that the BBC is going to kill off the prospects

:41:17. > :41:21.of a separate Scotch 6pm news on BBC One which the BBC has been piloting

:41:22. > :41:25.over the last year and I'm disappointed about that because, of

:41:26. > :41:31.course, it's great to have a separate Scottish nine o'clock news,

:41:32. > :41:36.but I think it is very important to have a Six O'Clock News on BBC One.

:41:37. > :41:41.Why? Well, you just have to watch the running order of the main BBC

:41:42. > :41:47.News and quite often the they will lead on an English story and there

:41:48. > :41:52.will be an English trap story... But you'll get Scottish news at 9pm Let

:41:53. > :41:57.me finish the question you asked me. So the main Six O'Clock News coming

:41:58. > :41:59.from London will have three English stories in its running order and

:42:00. > :42:02.that's great for the people of England, but it is not good for the

:42:03. > :42:09.people of Scotland on their main channel. They want to see a mix of

:42:10. > :42:14.national, international, and UK news based on normal news merit.

:42:15. > :42:18.Do you think this creation of a channel then is a sop because there

:42:19. > :42:21.isn't going to be a Scottish Six O'Clock News on BBC One? Well, I

:42:22. > :42:24.think obviously there will be some people who say that. I think it's

:42:25. > :42:29.great that there is a new channel and of course, what this has proved

:42:30. > :42:32.is that all those people who criticise BBC Scotland journalism,

:42:33. > :42:37.who said that it was technically impossible for them to put together

:42:38. > :42:41.an hour long news programme have been proved to be entirely wrong.

:42:42. > :42:45.This shows that BBC Scotland can do this. It has got the journalistic

:42:46. > :42:52.quality to deliver this product. I just think it should be on BBC One.

:42:53. > :42:57.What sort of awed ynss do you imagine there would be, Mr

:42:58. > :43:01.Nicholson, between 7pm and midnight, BBC Scotland channel? Well, there is

:43:02. > :43:05.the rub. Inevitably a new channel always has difficulty launching and

:43:06. > :43:09.attracting viewers. We'll have to monitor this. I just heard this

:43:10. > :43:14.announcement like you in the last half an hour. So, I'm not quite sure

:43:15. > :43:17.what audience figures the BBC anticipates, but obviously the

:43:18. > :43:23.channel is only going to be running for a few hours every evening. It

:43:24. > :43:27.will be a brand-new channel and it will have to establish its identity

:43:28. > :43:31.and get consumer loyalty to it. This is another reason I think the

:43:32. > :43:35.Scottish six was important. Everybody knows where BBC One is and

:43:36. > :43:39.that's why it was vital, I think, that the Scottish six should replace

:43:40. > :43:42.the current six and I think the BBC I'm afraid has missed an opportunity

:43:43. > :43:46.to deliver for the people of Scotland here on that specific

:43:47. > :43:50.issue. Thank you very much. Thank you, John Nicholson, SNP, MP and

:43:51. > :43:51.Lorna Gordon, our Scotland correspondent. More on BBC News

:43:52. > :43:57.throughout the day on that story. Victims of crimes being made

:43:58. > :43:59.to feel like criminals. That's what the victims'

:44:00. > :44:04.commissioner Baroness Newlowe says That's what the victims'

:44:05. > :44:06.commissioner Baroness Newlove says is happening to children,

:44:07. > :44:08.when they report violent She's warning that too often they're

:44:09. > :44:13.not taken seriously, accused of wasting police time

:44:14. > :44:20.or simply not believed. He reported an assault

:44:21. > :44:29.to police two years ago. Tell us about the young people you

:44:30. > :44:32.spoke to and what experiences they were recounting? They were

:44:33. > :44:36.experiencing not feeling believed. They didn't get the right

:44:37. > :44:41.information when they were told. Police didn't deliver anything back

:44:42. > :44:46.to them. Some people just felt that they were one young victim felt that

:44:47. > :44:52.while she was in this, you know, in an interview room it felt like, she

:44:53. > :44:55.was in a padded cell. So, because of their age, they didn't feel they

:44:56. > :44:59.were believed and didn't have any confidence, but more importantly

:45:00. > :45:02.they weren't getting the right entitlements as set out in the

:45:03. > :45:06.victims' code. These were in some cases, some serious crimes that they

:45:07. > :45:11.were alleging, weren't they? You have rape victims and sexual abuse

:45:12. > :45:14.victims. We're not talking, and I don't like the words lower level,

:45:15. > :45:17.but these were serious crimes and we have got to gain confidence and

:45:18. > :45:21.children need to have that confidence to come forward.

:45:22. > :45:25.Do you accept that some progress has been made in recent years with the

:45:26. > :45:30.way the police particularly when it comes to sexual offences crimes,

:45:31. > :45:34.approach alleged victims? Well, if you look at this review, it doesn't

:45:35. > :45:38.really stand out as if it is that. I think we're raising more awareness.

:45:39. > :45:42.It is a small number of children. It is a small number of children, but

:45:43. > :45:45.they are not the most easiest to have a conversation and I don't want

:45:46. > :45:48.to retraumatise them. What highlights in the review is the

:45:49. > :45:52.policies are not fit for purpose and the culture needs to shift from a

:45:53. > :45:56.lot more quicker, we have a landscape of child sexual abuse and

:45:57. > :45:59.we need to ensure that these victims feel that they are being recognised

:46:00. > :46:07.and being understood even though they are children.

:46:08. > :46:18.If you run your way home from school, attacked by an 18-year-old

:46:19. > :46:25.on the bus? What happened? I was on my way home, got approached by an

:46:26. > :46:30.18-year-old, sorting me on the bus. My face was busted up, rushed to

:46:31. > :46:35.hospital. -- assaulting me. The police came to hospital, saying they

:46:36. > :46:41.would get back to me, they did, took mugshots. From them, they have never

:46:42. > :46:47.got back to me since. Quite devastating, I thought I could trust

:46:48. > :46:51.them to help me. They just left it. Taking it seriously, taking pictures

:46:52. > :46:56.of the injuries, you thought they would go away and investigate, but

:46:57. > :47:02.absolutely nothing? Did you try to contact them? We contacted them,

:47:03. > :47:07.they did not come back, just left it. As if it was rubbish. A couple

:47:08. > :47:12.of months ago, picking up your little brother from school,

:47:13. > :47:24.effectively a gang pulled a knife on you? No. Sorry, I have made a

:47:25. > :47:31.mistake, that are not happen. Do you have any faith in the police? Not

:47:32. > :47:35.really. I see it as, they are there to help you, when it comes to young

:47:36. > :47:42.people, they do not take us seriously. We are partly to blame,

:47:43. > :47:46.we do things to give them because to think and why should we help you? At

:47:47. > :47:52.the same time, we are all equal. They should help us. They don't

:47:53. > :47:58.really do that? There are loads of police officers that treat children

:47:59. > :48:08.with respect, investigating claims thoroughly. We cannot generalise? We

:48:09. > :48:17.cannot generalise, but the review showed they are not adhering to the

:48:18. > :48:21.victims code. Most things that irritates people are communication.

:48:22. > :48:25.If you report the crime can you expect them to come back and help.

:48:26. > :48:31.If they're going to charge, not charge. They should never be left to

:48:32. > :48:37.think what is going on? Even if the police contacted you, saying we

:48:38. > :48:40.cannot go anywhere with this, I am sorry, to let you know it will we

:48:41. > :48:45.are closing the file, that been something? The least I would have

:48:46. > :48:50.been informed, and no. Pulling you do not that. If you found yourself

:48:51. > :48:57.in the same scenario again, assaulted on a bus? Would you report

:48:58. > :49:06.it first they say you should. I don't think I would. I don't know

:49:07. > :49:10.what they are going to do. I have done it once, did not get back to

:49:11. > :49:15.me, why should I do it again? Shaking your head? I am disgusted,

:49:16. > :49:19.some of the victims we have interviewed said the same. They

:49:20. > :49:28.would not come forward again. We're hearing continuously ever abused

:49:29. > :49:33.children. That is not what I wanted the review to do. My daughters went

:49:34. > :49:38.through the criminal justice system, I wanted to see if it was any better

:49:39. > :49:43.ten years later. I am disgusted, if children come to who are harmed,

:49:44. > :49:47.rates, sexually abused, these are serious crimes, they should be put

:49:48. > :49:51.there, giving entitlements. It is part of their recovery. You cannot

:49:52. > :49:54.just leave them, feeling it is their fault. And have no confidence to

:49:55. > :50:18.come forward. Thank you very much. The government has promised ?200

:50:19. > :50:23.million for emergency aid for South Sudan.

:50:24. > :50:27.It comes after a state of famine was declared

:50:28. > :50:30.in parts of the country, the first to be announced in any

:50:31. > :50:33.part of the world since 2011. According to the United Nations

:50:34. > :50:35.and the South Sudanese government, the famine is affecting around

:50:36. > :50:37.100 thousand people. Just under five million -

:50:38. > :50:40.40% of the population - are in urgent need of food.

:50:41. > :50:42.South Sudan is the world's newest country - it gained independence

:50:43. > :50:45.from Sudan six years ago, but hopes of prosperity have been

:50:46. > :50:56.shattered by three years of civil war and economic collapse.

:50:57. > :51:05.Lily, the introduction makes clear how serious this is. Give our

:51:06. > :51:11.audience an insight into the kind of people you are trying to help? We

:51:12. > :51:17.have Unicef colleagues of mine, working on warning for months that

:51:18. > :51:24.the food and security situation in South Sudan and surrounding

:51:25. > :51:28.countries has become severe. Families with children not knowing

:51:29. > :51:32.where the next meal is coming from. Having to exist on whatever they can

:51:33. > :51:38.come across. Many children severely malnourished. We are reaching some

:51:39. > :51:44.of those children with therapeutic food. We're doing that with

:51:45. > :51:50.thousands of children. We have now reached a severe situation,

:51:51. > :51:54.officially there is famine, and areas so affected by the conflict,

:51:55. > :52:00.so insecure, we can't even reach them. When you say officially there

:52:01. > :52:07.is famine, what criteria needs to be met? Sounds like a brutal question,

:52:08. > :52:12.but for our audience, what criteria for an official famine? The criteria

:52:13. > :52:16.means people are starving to death. High-level malnutrition in infants,

:52:17. > :52:25.we expect them to die from starvation. Goes beyond in security

:52:26. > :52:29.and malnutrition. We know that is in one state in South Sudan, a disaster

:52:30. > :52:33.for that state, because we cannot reach the children at the moment.

:52:34. > :52:38.What is even more worrying, we think the situation could easily spread if

:52:39. > :52:45.we're not able to act quickly emergency humanitarian health.

:52:46. > :52:50.Across the rest of the South Sudan, Somalia, countries like Yemen and

:52:51. > :52:54.Nigeria, affected by conflict, there are 1.5 million children who could

:52:55. > :52:58.be in that situation very soon. Places that do not make the

:52:59. > :53:03.headlines, we don't hear about them very often. We want the eyes of the

:53:04. > :53:07.world to focus on these areas, and realise just how much of an

:53:08. > :53:15.emergency these children are facing. We can talk to Emma in South Sudan,

:53:16. > :53:24.on the ground. She works for Oxfam. Can you hear me? Telus about the

:53:25. > :53:36.work you are trying to do. We have teams in the affected areas,

:53:37. > :53:44.providing nutrition, and also water. This before affected populations. --

:53:45. > :53:53.this is for. Not only famine, but also cholera. I travelled myself in

:53:54. > :54:00.Canute, for about five hours to reach the islands, where is the

:54:01. > :54:12.women and children were, with my team. During the journey and there

:54:13. > :54:19.was a woman we met, living in the swamp, did not have a cooking pot.

:54:20. > :54:23.I'm sorry, the line is breaking up. Let me bring in James. Telus about

:54:24. > :54:29.the security situation in South Sudan? The war broke out in December

:54:30. > :54:34.20 13th of peace deal efforts to stop it, but the fighting continues.

:54:35. > :54:38.What is important in the context, this is a man-made famine, created

:54:39. > :54:43.by the actions of the political leadership in South Sudan. The area

:54:44. > :54:50.particularly affected, where famine has been declared, it has been held

:54:51. > :54:53.by rebels in several points, government troops overrunning it

:54:54. > :54:58.from the people fleeing into the swamps. Desperately running for

:54:59. > :55:02.their lives. When they get to the swamps, which they see as a place of

:55:03. > :55:09.safety, nothing to read. Emma had gone on this Canute in the middle of

:55:10. > :55:14.nowhere, where people have nothing. Even a couple of years ago, this was

:55:15. > :55:19.the case, I talked to people told of relatives dying. This scale has got

:55:20. > :55:25.bigger and bigger. People are dying on a scale that the United Nations

:55:26. > :55:32.and other bodies considered as a famine. There has been denial of

:55:33. > :55:35.access for humanitarian workers. The government say this is a rebel

:55:36. > :55:41.controlled area, people supporting the rebels, UI will not allow to go

:55:42. > :55:45.into that area. The president, responding to the announcement

:55:46. > :55:49.promised unfettered access to aid workers to get help. That is one of

:55:50. > :55:57.the keys in resolving the situation, if the promises kept. Lily, from

:55:58. > :56:02.Unicef UK, the British government pledging ?200 million, that is

:56:03. > :56:06.something. Also high profile celebrities trying to get the

:56:07. > :56:13.message across to rich western countries to donate money? That is

:56:14. > :56:16.entirely right. These parts of the world that often do not make the

:56:17. > :56:21.headlines, people are not aware of what is going on, we want to shine a

:56:22. > :56:27.light on them. Fantastic the UK Government is doing what it can.

:56:28. > :56:31.Very underfunded areas of the world, not attracting donations, we would

:56:32. > :56:36.like that to change. Celebrity ambassadors helps us to do that. The

:56:37. > :56:39.UK Government is showing great leadership by pledging money to this

:56:40. > :56:46.crisis. It will save thousands of very innocent lives. This is a

:56:47. > :56:50.man-made conflict. Whilst that is a tragedy, it also means we can do

:56:51. > :56:55.something about it. Not hopeless, we can stop the crisis. What about

:56:56. > :57:01.stopping the fighting? The key political issue underpinning this.

:57:02. > :57:05.One of the problems, this is an incredibly complicated conflict. The

:57:06. > :57:08.peace deal was signed in 2015, a government of national unity last

:57:09. > :57:13.year, there were clashes in the capitals. The rebel leader fleeing

:57:14. > :57:22.into exile. Since then lots of other rebel groups. Is it about territory,

:57:23. > :57:26.land? Started about politics, infighting between political

:57:27. > :57:34.leaders. In South Sudan political leaders have ethnic power bases.

:57:35. > :57:41.There is an ethnic dimensional. There has been talk about genocide,

:57:42. > :57:45.ethnic cleansing. Power. At this point, revenge. People have seen

:57:46. > :57:52.uncles, brothers, cousins, husbands and wives killed. They want to get

:57:53. > :57:57.revenge. Very complicated problems to resolve. Ultimately only be South

:57:58. > :58:02.Sudan people can resolve them. The international community, and the

:58:03. > :58:05.response seems confused. A peace deal they are trying to continue,

:58:06. > :58:10.but most people think it has collapsed. Seems like a lack of

:58:11. > :58:13.ideas to resolve the underlying problems leading to the famine,

:58:14. > :58:17.people starving. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming on the