07/03/2017

:00:07. > :00:10.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:00:11. > :00:13.This morning, these parents of a seven month old severely ill

:00:14. > :00:16.baby tell us why they're urging the courts not to grant doctors

:00:17. > :00:21.the rights to switch off his life support machine.

:00:22. > :00:24.7 month old Charlie is receiving 24-hour treatment for a genetic

:00:25. > :00:26.condition so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person

:00:27. > :00:33.We'll bring you the full heart-breaking story shortly.

:00:34. > :00:36.Also on the programme, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn tells

:00:37. > :00:37.this programme Theresa May's government has an issue

:00:38. > :00:40.with disabilities - he's calling on them to scrap plans

:00:41. > :00:48.to limit access to a key disability benefit.

:00:49. > :00:56.They seem to have an issue over disabilities, because last year they

:00:57. > :00:59.did try to remove the personal independence payments by ?4 billion.

:01:00. > :01:02.I just think they need to think about the kind of society we are,

:01:03. > :01:04.the way we support people. We'll bring you that full exclusive

:01:05. > :01:07.interview around 9:30 this morning. And how Facebook called

:01:08. > :01:09.the police on the BBC after we revealed potential flaws

:01:10. > :01:20.in their moderation system. Hello, welcome to the programme,

:01:21. > :01:22.we're live until 11am. Throughout the morning we'll bring

:01:23. > :01:25.you the latest breaking news and developing stories -

:01:26. > :01:28.and a little later in the programme we'll hear from an army widow

:01:29. > :01:30.who says she had 5 miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

:01:31. > :01:32.attacked her in his sleep as a result of his post-traumatic

:01:33. > :01:36.stress disorder. She's now suing the

:01:37. > :01:40.Ministry of Defence. Do get in touch on all the stories

:01:41. > :01:46.we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

:01:47. > :01:50.at the standard network rate. Our top story today,

:01:51. > :01:52.the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has accused Theresa May's government

:01:53. > :01:55.of having an issue with Corbyn has previously claimed

:01:56. > :01:59.that the Prime Minister is turning the Conservatives back

:02:00. > :02:02.into the nasty party by quietly announcing a change to rules

:02:03. > :02:08.on disability benefits. Let's get more on this from our

:02:09. > :02:20.political guru Norman Smith. What is at issue? I think we learned

:02:21. > :02:25.today from your interview with Jeremy Corbyn that he wants to make

:02:26. > :02:29.disability benefits are key battle ground in the weeks ahead, over this

:02:30. > :02:35.issue of personal independence payments. Two courts ruled recently

:02:36. > :02:40.that many, many more people, around 160,000 more, should be able to get

:02:41. > :02:44.this disability benefit. These are people at the moment is

:02:45. > :02:49.predominantly with mental health issues, people with dementia etc,

:02:50. > :02:58.they would be eligible. The Government has insisted, no way.

:02:59. > :03:01.This is not what the benefit is meant for and it would come with a

:03:02. > :03:04.huge price tag, they say it would cost almost ?4 billion. Interesting,

:03:05. > :03:09.Mr Corbyn insisted today that as a society we have defined that money,

:03:10. > :03:12.but going one step forward and accusing the Tories of having a

:03:13. > :03:18.problem with disabled people. Have a lesson. They seem to have an

:03:19. > :03:22.issue over disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal

:03:23. > :03:25.independence payments by ?4 billion, they then reverse that Kurt asked

:03:26. > :03:31.Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later, then they agreed to

:03:32. > :03:36.carry on paying it. There is a deficit built into the budget

:03:37. > :03:39.already because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to

:03:40. > :03:45.prevent the bill rising further. I think they need to think about the

:03:46. > :03:53.kind of society we are, the way we support people. That was the issue

:03:54. > :03:55.of PIP. We also talked about a snap general election, former

:03:56. > :03:59.Conservative leader William Hague says that Theresa May should

:04:00. > :04:06.effectively call one and change the legislation. Unlikely, I think? Yes

:04:07. > :04:10.and no, Theresa May has made it very clear repeatedly that she does not

:04:11. > :04:14.want to hold an early general election and she thinks that it

:04:15. > :04:18.would be wrong now to change her mind. Whatever the electoral

:04:19. > :04:22.advantages. But an awful lot of Tories would think Mr Hague has a

:04:23. > :04:27.point, here we are going into the Brexit negotiations, possible

:04:28. > :04:32.revolts in the Commons, one way that Mrs May could strengthen her hand

:04:33. > :04:36.would be to go for an early election while Labour are at sixes and

:04:37. > :04:39.sevens. In the interview you did with Jeremy Corbyn he sounded a

:04:40. > :04:45.little knocked, almost riled when you kept pressing him, six times, I

:04:46. > :04:50.think I counted, about would he be in favour of an early general

:04:51. > :04:54.election. Let's have a listen. Are you telling me you are confident you

:04:55. > :05:04.would win a general election? We will take our case to the country.

:05:05. > :05:07.We are very confident of the support we can get in order to win an

:05:08. > :05:10.election, to take our case to the British people. Don't underestimate

:05:11. > :05:12.the support there is for the Labour Party and the anger out there at the

:05:13. > :05:17.levels of inequality and injustice. We will expose all of that, that is

:05:18. > :05:21.why the case is very, very strong. You have asked me the question many,

:05:22. > :05:30.many times. How many times do I have to tell you, we are taking our case

:05:31. > :05:33.to win because I believe we can. Sounding a bit sharp, maybe not

:05:34. > :05:38.surprising in the wake of the Copeland by-election defeat. As for

:05:39. > :05:43.the prospects of a snap general election, some in the Tory party

:05:44. > :05:46.think not just wouldn't strengthen the position of Mrs May here but

:05:47. > :05:52.also strengthen her hand in terms of the Brexit negotiations. I would

:05:53. > :05:57.class it as unlikely but not rule it out. Thank you, Norman. We will have

:05:58. > :06:02.the full interview with Jeremy Corbyn at just after 9:30am and we

:06:03. > :06:03.will hear from the former Work and Pensions Secretary Stephen Crabb on

:06:04. > :06:05.the issue of PIPs. Joanna is in the BBC

:06:06. > :06:07.Newsroom with a summary Facebook's procedures for vetting

:06:08. > :06:11.content on its pages have been strongly criticised after a BBC

:06:12. > :06:13.investigation found it was failing to remove inappropriate

:06:14. > :06:15.and sexualised images of children. The chair of the commons media

:06:16. > :06:18.committee Damian Collins has said it casts grave doubts

:06:19. > :06:19.on the effectiveness Our correspondent

:06:20. > :06:23.Angus Crawford reports. Facebook says it removes nudity

:06:24. > :06:28.or sexually suggestive content. But our investigation last year

:06:29. > :06:30.found paedophiles using secret groups to swap obscene

:06:31. > :06:37.images of children. We informed the police,

:06:38. > :06:40.and this man was sent Facebook told us it had

:06:41. > :06:44.improved its systems, But we still found sexualised

:06:45. > :06:50.pictures of children, We reported 100 posts that we felt

:06:51. > :06:56.broke Facebook's own guidelines. They didn't breach Facebook's

:06:57. > :07:10.community standards. I'm concerned that that's been

:07:11. > :07:18.brought to Facebook's attention, and some of those images have not

:07:19. > :07:21.been dealt with and addressed. And this report, this investigation,

:07:22. > :07:24.it casts grave doubt on the effectiveness of the measures

:07:25. > :07:29.that Facebook has in place. Facebook asked us to send them

:07:30. > :07:32.examples of what we had The company then reported

:07:33. > :07:38.us to the police. Facebook issued

:07:39. > :07:40.a statement saying... But, even now, groups

:07:41. > :07:43.with inappropriate images and comments about children

:07:44. > :07:58.remain on Facebook. But, even now, groups

:07:59. > :08:02.with inappropriate images and comments about children

:08:03. > :08:05.remain on Facebook. Questions about how the company

:08:06. > :08:10.moderates content won't go away. A British woman has been

:08:11. > :08:18.rescued by police officers in Australia after allegedly

:08:19. > :08:20.being held against her will A 22-year-old man from Queensland

:08:21. > :08:24.has been charged with several counts of rape and assault

:08:25. > :08:27.after she was found with injuries Downing Street has rejected

:08:28. > :08:32.a call from the former Conservative leader,

:08:33. > :08:34.Lord Hague, to call Writing in the Daily Telegraph,

:08:35. > :08:39.he says Theresa May needs a decisive Commons majority to head

:08:40. > :08:42.off backbench rebellions. Mrs May has repeatedly ruled out

:08:43. > :08:45.going to the country before The Government is facing

:08:46. > :08:52.the prospect of another defeat in the House of Lords over

:08:53. > :08:56.the process of leaving the EU today. Peers are to vote on an amendment

:08:57. > :08:59.to the Brexit Bill which calls for Parliament to be given

:09:00. > :09:02.a meaningful vote on a final deal. The Prime Minister has said

:09:03. > :09:05.Parliament will have a vote - but only on a take it

:09:06. > :09:07.or leave it basis. Last week, the Upper House voted

:09:08. > :09:10.to guarantee the rights of EU A couple are asking

:09:11. > :09:16.the High Court to let them take their seven-month-old son

:09:17. > :09:18.to the USA for potentially life-saving treatment as they began

:09:19. > :09:21.a battle against Great Ormond Street Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:09:22. > :09:25.want to take their son Charlie Doctors at Great Ormond Street have

:09:26. > :09:30.applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not

:09:31. > :09:34.in his best interest. A judge will rule on the case

:09:35. > :09:37.at a hearing next month. And Charlie's parents will be

:09:38. > :09:39.speaking to Victoria here on this programme in just

:09:40. > :09:44.a few minutes' time. Senior members of Donald Trump's

:09:45. > :09:46.administration have defended a new executive order that puts

:09:47. > :09:49.a ban on people from six mainly Muslim countries

:09:50. > :09:51.travelling to the US. The revised travel ban

:09:52. > :09:53.is due to come into effect Iraq has been removed

:09:54. > :09:59.from the previous list. The Secretary of State,

:10:00. > :10:02.Rex Tillerson, said the new order signed by the US President

:10:03. > :10:04.was designed to keep The Malaysian Prime Minister

:10:05. > :10:09.has accused North Korea of holding his citizens hostage

:10:10. > :10:12.after Pyongyang banned Malaysians In a tit-for-tat response,

:10:13. > :10:16.Malaysia has imposed similar restrictions

:10:17. > :10:18.on North Korean visitors. The measures are an escalation

:10:19. > :10:21.in tensions sparked by the murder of the North Korean leader's

:10:22. > :10:30.half-brother in Kuala Lumpur. Wayne Rooney is backing a campaign

:10:31. > :10:32.encouraging boys to open up It comes after new figures

:10:33. > :10:36.from the charity Childline show that boys are six times less likely

:10:37. > :10:39.to seek help for suicidal But national figures show the number

:10:40. > :10:44.of suicides among boys is much That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:45. > :11:07.News - more at 9:30am. We have Kanye 's and Chris Cloete

:11:08. > :11:13.here, thank you for coming in. -- we have Connie and Chris here. They

:11:14. > :11:16.will talk about their legal battle with Great Ormond Street Hospital.

:11:17. > :11:19.Their seven-month-old baby is being treated on doctors there believe his

:11:20. > :11:31.life-support machine should be switched off, you as parents totally

:11:32. > :11:35.disagree? Why are you speaking out? To try to raise money for treatment

:11:36. > :11:38.in America. Thank you, we will speak to you later.

:11:39. > :11:40.Let's get some sport from Hugh Woozencroft.

:11:41. > :11:43.Hugh, Team Sky have urged their cyclists to praise boss

:11:44. > :11:46.Dave Brailsford according to reports in this morning's papers.

:11:47. > :11:55.Why? There is so much scrutiny on Team Sky, it is not going away in a

:11:56. > :11:58.hurry. Last week we spoke about a mystery package delivered to Sir

:11:59. > :12:02.Bradley Wiggins, a lack of evidence about what it contained, the chair

:12:03. > :12:05.of the select committee Damian Cullen said the credibility of Team

:12:06. > :12:11.Sky and British cycling is in tatters. The team was next to

:12:12. > :12:15.explain excessive quantities of another drug, users of which include

:12:16. > :12:22.prevention of asthma attacks. Dave Brailsford said the team medic gave

:12:23. > :12:25.him it after surgery. An academy coach says he was treated by the

:12:26. > :12:29.same medic with the same drug, the drug that was given to Bradley

:12:30. > :12:41.Wiggins before three major races using his therapeutic -- therapeutic

:12:42. > :12:46.use exemption. Durant Thomas has responded on social media, it

:12:47. > :12:49.shouldn't even need saying but we back Dave 100%. I have known him for

:12:50. > :12:54.a long time and I would not want anyone else leading Team Sky.

:12:55. > :13:00.Peter Kennaugh added I think all the riders on Team Sky would join me in

:13:01. > :13:04.saying they are completely behind Dave Brailsford. One rider is

:13:05. > :13:07.conspicuous by his absence, Chris Froome, the three-time Tour de

:13:08. > :13:12.France winner is yet to respond to the request, which does not look

:13:13. > :13:16.good for Team Sky. This response to something so serious as well. There

:13:17. > :13:23.have been plenty of questions and calling for Brailsford to resign, we

:13:24. > :13:25.will see if he can survive in the coming weeks.

:13:26. > :13:28.And a massive task facing Arsenal in the Champions League tonight.

:13:29. > :13:35.It'll be interesting to gauge the atmosphere between Arsene Wenger and

:13:36. > :13:39.various players? We might see a different side to Arsene Wenger, he

:13:40. > :13:44.has asked for lucid rage from his against Bayern Munich, who are

:13:45. > :13:50.looking to achieve the miraculous results, 5-1 down in the first leg

:13:51. > :13:55.from the Champions League last 16 tie, Wenger has caused for total

:13:56. > :14:00.commitment. The players are ready to fight but it is always a mixture of

:14:01. > :14:09.a little bit of success or a little bit of belief. I think we live in a

:14:10. > :14:16.world of small margins, if you drop off a little bit on the belief side

:14:17. > :14:21.or the confidence fronted looks like you do not want to fight. I won in

:14:22. > :14:24.2% believe these players want to do well and win.

:14:25. > :14:30.He will need them to fight pretty hard, they are 33-1 to make it to

:14:31. > :14:34.the next round. On the BBC sport website you can see what is more

:14:35. > :14:37.less likely to happen than matter. More or less likely that Vladimir

:14:38. > :14:52.Putin will win the next Russian election? That is more likely, just

:14:53. > :14:55.3-1. More less likely that Australia will win Eurovision? That is just

:14:56. > :14:57.10-1. The next James Bond being a female actor? More likely, just

:14:58. > :15:04.16-1. How about the existence of alien life being prudent 2017? Also

:15:05. > :15:09.more likely, just 20-1. Lots of fun to be had on the website, especially

:15:10. > :15:16.if you are a Spurs fan. We will see is a miracle happens. Thank you.

:15:17. > :15:19.The parents of a seven-month-old baby boy who are challenging doctors

:15:20. > :15:22.in court not to switch off his life support machine say they deserve

:15:23. > :15:26.the right to decide the fate of their son.

:15:27. > :15:30.Charlie Gard is receiving 24-hour treatment at

:15:31. > :15:33.London's Great Ormond Street Hospital for a genetic condition

:15:34. > :15:35.so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person

:15:36. > :15:39.With no accepted cure for the disease, doctors now believe

:15:40. > :15:45.Charlie should be allowed to die with dignity.

:15:46. > :15:48.But his parents say pioneering US treatment could save his life.

:15:49. > :15:51.They now have less than a month to prove that to a judge.

:15:52. > :16:02.Connie Yates and Chris Gard are here.

:16:03. > :16:09.When Charlie was born in August, perfectly healthy. Everything seemed

:16:10. > :16:15.normal. We had no worries. At what point did you start to worry? By six

:16:16. > :16:18.weeks he looked weaker and by eight weeks we took him into hospital

:16:19. > :16:22.because he appeared to have lost weight. What did they do? They did a

:16:23. > :16:27.few tests but they didn't know what was wrong at the time. He got

:16:28. > :16:31.transferred to great or Monday Street Hospital on 11th October. He

:16:32. > :16:35.has been there ever And pretty much since. You two as well. Tell us

:16:36. > :16:55.about the condition Charlie is in. It is hondrial depletion syndrome.

:16:56. > :16:59.He is missing an enzyme. So yeah. What does that mean about his

:17:00. > :17:08.condition on a day-to-day basis Chris? What you do and not do?

:17:09. > :17:13.Slight movements. Move his hands, move his fingers and eyes. He can't

:17:14. > :17:21.open them fully, but he can still open his eyes and see us and he

:17:22. > :17:30.responds to us. We don't feel he is in pain at all. We wouldn't say he's

:17:31. > :17:33.suffering. He has not got the same life as normal seven-month-old baby,

:17:34. > :17:38.but what we're asking for is something that can make him better.

:17:39. > :17:45.If we were going to court to either end care or to leave him how he is,

:17:46. > :17:48.we know that's not a life for the long-term, but it is having

:17:49. > :17:52.something out there which can, you know, improve him and give him a

:17:53. > :17:55.better quality of life and hopefully make him better is the reason why

:17:56. > :18:01.we're still sitting here fighting now. I'll ask you more about the

:18:02. > :18:07.treatment in America in a moment. In terms of the months that he has been

:18:08. > :18:10.in the hospital, October to now, do you believe his condition has

:18:11. > :18:14.deteriorated? It has since we got there, but in the last sort of

:18:15. > :18:21.couple of months he hasn't got any worse. He stayed very stable, hasn't

:18:22. > :18:27.he, the last couple of months. Yes. My understanding is the doctors feel

:18:28. > :18:32.he has deteriorated. He has since he got there, but not in recent months.

:18:33. > :18:37.He's stable. He's not on any painkillers. Just a ventilator. He

:18:38. > :18:43.doesn't have any IV lines or anything like that. In terms of what

:18:44. > :18:47.the specialists at great or Monday Street were saying, they could do

:18:48. > :18:52.for him, what sort of things were they looking at? What sort of things

:18:53. > :18:56.were you looking at? At what point did it come clear that they weren't

:18:57. > :18:59.going to be able to treat him? There isn't much they can do for hondrial

:19:00. > :19:01.depletion syndrome. They told us no treatment, no cure. So they have

:19:02. > :19:29.given him vitamins and stuff which can boost the mitochondria he

:19:30. > :19:37.has. You have done research. What did you find. There was another

:19:38. > :19:40.mitochondrial syndrome that had a treatment. There was a research

:19:41. > :19:50.article I read where they said that it should also work for Charlie's

:19:51. > :19:55.gene as well. Even though it is a different gene? It is a similar

:19:56. > :20:01.cell. I went out to try and find this particular doctor. He has been

:20:02. > :20:12.very helpful. He's waiting for Charlie in America. So he has agreed

:20:13. > :20:16.to treat Charlie? Yes. When did you realise that the doctors in the

:20:17. > :20:20.hospital weren't going to support you in this? Thursday. The day

:20:21. > :20:25.before court. They told us we could do Go to America subject to money

:20:26. > :20:31.and things like that, but and then they said that they don't think it

:20:32. > :20:34.is in his best interests. I said but he hasn't deteriorated recently

:20:35. > :20:39.since they said we could go to America. What was that like when you

:20:40. > :20:42.found out there was a really big fundamental difference of opinion,

:20:43. > :20:46.Chris? Well, it's difficult because we feel like we've been fighting for

:20:47. > :20:54.a long time. It seems like we've been fighting since the day we found

:20:55. > :20:59.out Charlie was ill, you know. At the end of the day, we want him to

:21:00. > :21:02.be given the chance, you're never going to find treatments or cures

:21:03. > :21:08.for these things if you never try anything. What we're asking to give

:21:09. > :21:12.him are not poisons, they're naturally occurring compounds that

:21:13. > :21:15.me and you can do produce and unfortunately he is deficient in

:21:16. > :21:21.them and he can't produce them himself. So, you know, there is no

:21:22. > :21:28.real known side-effects to the medications so I kind of think the

:21:29. > :21:31.hole time has been why not try? There is no side-effects. It is just

:21:32. > :21:37.something that his body requires, you know, it's very different, I

:21:38. > :21:42.know, people will say it is very different, insulin for diabetics, if

:21:43. > :21:46.a diabetic doesn't have insulin, they're in trouble and someone said

:21:47. > :21:50.it is very different, insulin is known to be safe in humans. Well,

:21:51. > :21:53.how did you find out who was the first person to try this? Because he

:21:54. > :22:00.has got a rare disease he doesn't have a treatment at the moment, but

:22:01. > :22:05.he's only number 16. We want to do this for Charlie. He always has been

:22:06. > :22:08.and always will be our number one priority, but we know how it feels

:22:09. > :22:12.to have someone born with this disease so if anyone in the future

:22:13. > :22:18.is born with this disease, we want something that can help this and we

:22:19. > :22:23.want to find a treatment and cure for mitochondrial disease. We want

:22:24. > :22:27.parents taken into the side room and told we have got something your

:22:28. > :22:33.child. We don't want the devastating news that there is nothing we can

:22:34. > :22:39.do. You have been taken into a side room many times. What did they say

:22:40. > :22:44.to you? They said they were the worst results they had seen in a

:22:45. > :22:50.living baby. They were amazed he made it to eight weeks. He was 13,

:22:51. > :22:55.or 14 weeks at that point. They said they were amazed he could move his

:22:56. > :23:01.little finger. We were so proud of him. He shouldn't be there at 13, 14

:23:02. > :23:03.weeks. We thought you're fighting here. As long as you're fighting

:23:04. > :23:09.we're going to keep fighting for you. Halfs he like in the first few

:23:10. > :23:15.weeks then? Perfect. He's still perfect. He's our little man. We

:23:16. > :23:20.didn't have any worries. He had his own little personality and started

:23:21. > :23:25.smiling and all the usual things. Just started getting weaker and

:23:26. > :23:29.yeah. When they said they are the worst results we have ever seen and

:23:30. > :23:33.he shouldn't really be here now. Was that the point at which they said

:23:34. > :23:40.there is no treatment? There is no cure for this? They did say that to

:23:41. > :23:48.us before. We got there on the Tuesday and then on the Friday they

:23:49. > :23:53.said, "We suspect he has got mitochondrial disease." We were told

:23:54. > :23:58.we had days left with him and that was in October/November. We're now

:23:59. > :24:03.March so... What is the atmosphere like at the hospital when there are

:24:04. > :24:07.medical specialists there who want to do the best for your baby. You're

:24:08. > :24:11.there, you want to do the best for your baby, but you have this really

:24:12. > :24:16.big difference of opinion? I don't see how the best is for him just to

:24:17. > :24:23.die. The best is for him to be given a chance. I think they say he's in

:24:24. > :24:27.pain. The people say that he's in pain don't spend all day with him

:24:28. > :24:32.and all night with him. He's not on painkillers. If they thought he was

:24:33. > :24:37.in pain, he would be in painkillers. We are there every day and all day

:24:38. > :24:40.and people who wrote the reports for court spend very little time with

:24:41. > :24:44.Charlie. So if anyone knows him, they're the experts when it comes to

:24:45. > :24:48.the clinical side of things, but if anyone knows him, do you think if we

:24:49. > :24:52.suspected he was in pain, we'd still be fighting this hard? If we were

:24:53. > :24:55.sitting there thinking he is in pain, we would have let him go a

:24:56. > :25:00.long time ago. He is our boy. We love him. We're doing all this for

:25:01. > :25:08.Charlie. He can't hear, is that right? He can't cry? His muscles are

:25:09. > :25:11.very weak. I can tell if he is unhappy and if he's crying, but I

:25:12. > :25:15.can understand how someone else couldn't see it because his muscles

:25:16. > :25:21.are very weak. So what would he do to show that he wasn't happy? You're

:25:22. > :25:25.going to make me pull silly faces on the telly. I didn't know what the

:25:26. > :25:29.answer is? You can see him do something with his mouth. He can get

:25:30. > :25:32.tears in his eyes. Really? It is a facial expression because the

:25:33. > :25:36.muscles are so weak. We do understand why. People can't tell.

:25:37. > :25:40.Are you, you are allowed to touch him and you are allowed to stroke

:25:41. > :25:45.him and are you allowed to hold him? Yeah. You lie alongside him. He has

:25:46. > :25:49.got a big bed now so we can lie alongside him. The scenario that

:25:50. > :25:53.you're in now is that actually the decision has been taken out of your

:25:54. > :25:57.hands? Yes. And out of the hands of the doctors and a decision about

:25:58. > :26:02.your son's life will now be made by a judge. Who has never met him

:26:03. > :26:09.before. What do you think about that? I hate it. I can't bear the

:26:10. > :26:13.thought of it. He's our boy. We've always had his best interests at

:26:14. > :26:19.heart. Those three words I've heard more are in Charlie's best

:26:20. > :26:22.interests. We're his mum and dad, his best interests always will be

:26:23. > :26:27.our main priority. What do you have to do at the next hearing? You have

:26:28. > :26:32.to persuade the judge that the treatment in America is what, I

:26:33. > :26:38.don't know, going to work, is worth it, how do you have to go about

:26:39. > :26:41.persuading this judge? Just... Do you have to give him evidence about

:26:42. > :26:45.the treatment? As much evidence as we can, but there is limited data on

:26:46. > :26:51.it. There is some scientific proof which I'll share with him, but and

:26:52. > :26:54.yeah... It's difficult because it is so rarement people are saying the

:26:55. > :26:59.data is not out there, but he's number 16 in the world to have the

:27:00. > :27:04.infantile version of this. The judge has described this as the most

:27:05. > :27:08.tragic situation. He talked about you as truly devoted parents and he

:27:09. > :27:13.will, "Have to balance on the one hand the risk of pain and suffering

:27:14. > :27:20.to Charlie against the possibility that the treatment in America could

:27:21. > :27:22.prove to be successful." I mean that's an impossible decision in a

:27:23. > :27:30.way, isn't it? I wouldn't like to be that judge.

:27:31. > :27:34.Rather him than me right now. I'm going to read you some messages from

:27:35. > :27:39.people watching you around the country KDB tweets this, "This is so

:27:40. > :27:42.heartbreaking, but the parents should decide." Nicky says, "I

:27:43. > :27:48.support the parents. They should be able to help their baby boy without

:27:49. > :27:52.a court case." You are trying to raise money. Tell our audience the

:27:53. > :27:58.reasons why you need over ?1 million. We need to get a private

:27:59. > :28:02.air ambulance there because he's ventilate sod we require a doctor

:28:03. > :28:06.and nurse just to look after him. And the care in America is very

:28:07. > :28:12.expensive because it's private healthcare. And then the medications

:28:13. > :28:17.that he'd require as well. They are just oral medications. They are not

:28:18. > :28:22.too overly expensive, but it is mostly the care. And where are you

:28:23. > :28:31.up to in that? In terms of raising the money? I didn't check this

:28:32. > :28:36.morning? About ?23,000. Is it? Wow. This is what great or Monday street

:28:37. > :28:40.say, "Charlie has a rare and complex disease which which there is no

:28:41. > :28:44.accepted care. Charlie was very ill when he was admitted to great or

:28:45. > :28:52.Monday Street Hospital and he remained under 24 hour care in our

:28:53. > :28:56.intensive care unit. We feel we have exhausted all available proven

:28:57. > :28:59.treatment options. We can't imagine how hugely distressing this is for

:29:00. > :29:05.the family. We continue to support them every way we can while

:29:06. > :29:10.advocating what we believe is best for Charlie."

:29:11. > :29:15.What do you say to that? I just wish we were trusted to know what was

:29:16. > :29:20.best for our son. I think we've shown the dedication we've got.

:29:21. > :29:26.We're not keeping him here just for our benefit, you know, because we

:29:27. > :29:33.can't bear to lose him. As I said, he has fought to save, to stay here

:29:34. > :29:38.and you know as I say, if we feel he's in pain and suffering which we

:29:39. > :29:41.don't because seriously we would not be doing this. We are not bad

:29:42. > :29:45.parents. We just want him to be given the chance and if he's not in

:29:46. > :29:48.pain and not suffering as we feel he is then you know we will fight to

:29:49. > :29:52.the very end to get him the treatment that we think will work,

:29:53. > :29:56.you know, we're convinced it will work. Jo says, "I feel so sorry for

:29:57. > :29:59.Charlie's parents. Of course, they want to fight for their son, but

:30:00. > :30:04.surely you have to listen to the doctors."

:30:05. > :30:09.You're listening to a doctor in America who has used these

:30:10. > :30:17.medications and in the research behind them, we think it will work

:30:18. > :30:20.-- we are listening to. He is a urologist specialising in

:30:21. > :30:24.mitochondrial disease and neurological conditions.

:30:25. > :30:29.Rowan says my heart goes out to the couple. Sandra says what an awful

:30:30. > :30:34.position. Another view says my heart goes out to them and Charlie. Debra,

:30:35. > :30:39.we need to support that is -- the parents, doctors are not always

:30:40. > :30:44.right. Helen says I would like to offer ?20,000 to help with Charlie's

:30:45. > :30:51.treatment in America. Thank you, Helen. That's amazing. Oh, my word.

:30:52. > :30:56.I know a lot of people say they have to listen to the doctors, but kids

:30:57. > :31:02.are Jura ball. Kids defied the doctors every day. We believe

:31:03. > :31:07.Charlie is a special boy. He is our son, we love him, of course we will

:31:08. > :31:13.be biased, but he is a special boy, a little warrior. Thank you both. We

:31:14. > :31:17.will report back for our audience on what happens in court in a few

:31:18. > :31:21.weeks. In the meantime, thank you for coming on the programme. Thank

:31:22. > :31:28.you for having us. If you want to get in touch about

:31:29. > :31:29.that, please do. You can send us an e-mail, you can message us on

:31:30. > :31:30.Twitter. Still to come, Jeremy Corbyn calls

:31:31. > :31:33.on the government to scrap plans to limit access

:31:34. > :31:35.to a key disability benefit. We'll have his full interview

:31:36. > :31:39.in the next few minutes. A British backpacker

:31:40. > :31:41.is allegedly raped and assaulted during a two-month hostage

:31:42. > :31:43.ordeal in Queensland. We'll have the latest

:31:44. > :31:53.live from Sydney. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:31:54. > :31:56.with a summary of the news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:31:57. > :31:58.programme that he believes Theresa May's government has

:31:59. > :32:00.an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:32:01. > :32:05.the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:32:06. > :32:08.disability benefits - particularly personal

:32:09. > :32:20.independent payments. The government has insisted that the

:32:21. > :32:26.welfare system is a strong safety net for those in need of it?

:32:27. > :32:30.They seem to have an issue over disabilities, last year they tried

:32:31. > :32:33.to remove the personal independence payments by ?4 billion, they then

:32:34. > :32:39.reversed that cut after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later, and

:32:40. > :32:43.then agreed to carry on paying it. There is a deficit built into the

:32:44. > :32:48.budget already because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to

:32:49. > :32:52.prevent the bill rising further. I think they just need to think about

:32:53. > :32:55.the kind of society we are, the way we support people.

:32:56. > :32:57.And you can listen to Victoria's full interview with Jeremy Corbyn

:32:58. > :32:59.right here in a couple of minutes' time.

:33:00. > :33:02.Facebook's procedures for vetting content on its pages have been

:33:03. > :33:04.strongly criticised after a BBC investigation found it was failing

:33:05. > :33:07.to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children.

:33:08. > :33:10.The chair of the commons media committee Damian Collins has said

:33:11. > :33:12.it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness

:33:13. > :33:16.Facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal

:33:17. > :33:24.Downing Street has rejected a call from the former

:33:25. > :33:26.Conservative leader, Lord Hague, to call

:33:27. > :33:30.Writing in the Daily Telegraph, he says Theresa May needs a decisive

:33:31. > :33:31.Commons majority to head off backbench rebellions.

:33:32. > :33:34.Mrs May has repeatedly ruled out going to the country before

:33:35. > :33:49.A couple fighting a court battle from preventing Great Ormond Street

:33:50. > :33:53.Hospital from turning off their baby's live support they say they

:33:54. > :33:58.just want to improve his quality of life. Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:33:59. > :34:01.want to take their son Charlie to America for pioneering treatment.

:34:02. > :34:05.Doctors at Great Ormond Street have applied to withdraw life support on

:34:06. > :34:08.the grounds it is not in his best interests.

:34:09. > :34:14.If we were going to court to either end care or to leave him how he is,

:34:15. > :34:18.we know that is not a life for the long term, you know poster not but

:34:19. > :34:22.it is having something out that that will give him a better quality of

:34:23. > :34:35.life and hopefully make him better, that is the reason we are still

:34:36. > :34:39.sitting here fighting. More at 10am. This on personal independence

:34:40. > :34:45.payments, Martin text this, Jeremy Corbyn is 110% right what he says

:34:46. > :34:49.about PIP. I have tried six times to get on PIP payments because of my

:34:50. > :34:54.disabilities, now I am trying for my seventh with Atos. They are the

:34:55. > :35:03.private company which does the assessments. 99% of applicants will

:35:04. > :35:06.fail to qualify for PIP. He must, must come to Swindon and takes his

:35:07. > :35:11.seat from the Conservatives after years and years of neglect. More on

:35:12. > :35:12.that after the sport. Good morning.

:35:13. > :35:14.Well, Chelsea are looking pretty unstoppable in the race

:35:15. > :35:18.They survived the test of a London derby last night,

:35:19. > :35:20.Eden Hazard and Diego Costa goals helping them to

:35:21. > :35:25.The are now 10 points clear with 11 games left.

:35:26. > :35:26.Manchester United talisman Zlatan Ibrahimovic faces

:35:27. > :35:29.missing their FA Cup quarter final against Chelsea after being charged

:35:30. > :35:34.He appeared to try and elbow Tyrone Mings of Bounemouth

:35:35. > :35:38.If given a three match ban he'd also miss league games

:35:39. > :35:45.Five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan beat Liang Wenbo 5

:35:46. > :35:48.frames to 1 to reach the second round at the Players

:35:49. > :35:56.And day-night cricket will be included in the Women's Ashes

:35:57. > :35:59.England and Australia will meet in Brisbane in October

:36:00. > :36:01.with the first of three one-day internationals, before

:36:02. > :36:10.-- test and Twenty20 matches as well. That is all, we will be back

:36:11. > :36:12.at just after 10am. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has

:36:13. > :36:15.told this programme the Government He's calling on them to scrap plans

:36:16. > :36:19.to limit access to a key disability The Government wants to reverse two

:36:20. > :36:23.recent court rulings that would have made another 160,000 people eligible

:36:24. > :36:26.for the personal independence PIP is a benefit paid to the long

:36:27. > :36:34.term ill or disabled. It is replacing an older payment

:36:35. > :36:38.called Disability Living Allowance. PIP has two parts -

:36:39. > :36:41.one to cover daily living expenses, the other to cover mobility

:36:42. > :36:44.or getting around. Under PIP you are scored

:36:45. > :36:47.based on your needs. More than eight points and you get

:36:48. > :36:56.the lower or standard rate. That is ?55.10 a week for expenses

:36:57. > :37:01.and ?21.10 a week for mobility. More than 12 points

:37:02. > :37:05.and you get an enhanced rate. That is around ?82 for living is and

:37:06. > :37:12.over 50 points for mobility. Last year judges at two tribunals

:37:13. > :37:14.said more points should be given if you suffer overwhelming

:37:15. > :37:16.psychological distress when making a journey or if you need

:37:17. > :37:19.help to take medication. That - says the Government -

:37:20. > :37:21.would make another 160,000 people eligible and would cost the taxpayer

:37:22. > :37:24.?3.7 billion over Whenever we talk about PIP on this

:37:25. > :37:28.programme we get hundreds of texts Last week we were contacted

:37:29. > :37:31.by Brian Rollinson who served with the British Army

:37:32. > :37:36.in Northern Ireland in the 1980s. He was injured back then and later

:37:37. > :37:39.diagnosed with Post Traumatic Our reporter Jim Reed went

:37:40. > :37:43.to meet him yesterday The first tour was very tough,

:37:44. > :37:54.walking the streets of Northern Ireland not knowing,

:37:55. > :38:00.would you be coming back safely? It had a massive effect

:38:01. > :38:09.on me later on in life. My day-to-day life, I have daily

:38:10. > :38:13.flashbacks, traumas, I try and avoid difficult

:38:14. > :38:23.situations like supermarkets, going on public transport and PTSD

:38:24. > :38:28.is an illness that I don't think So, you know, look at

:38:29. > :38:45.the paperwork I have to submit! I was very relieved after the first

:38:46. > :39:07.tribunal that we won our case and, I thought, right, I can

:39:08. > :39:12.get on now living. In 2015, we're looking two years

:39:13. > :39:15.straight after the first tribunal, I had a letter saying we need to do

:39:16. > :39:20.another assessment on your I was thinking to myself,

:39:21. > :39:35."What's happening now?" I thought, "That's

:39:36. > :39:40.it, it's all done." The claim is being looked at

:39:41. > :39:55.and I've gone back down to standard. I don't want to be too

:39:56. > :40:07.blunt but it's pathetic. I don't think that these people

:40:08. > :40:23.making these decisions And it was a very

:40:24. > :40:31.difficult time yet again. You feel like a criminal

:40:32. > :40:38.because of what I had to go through over the last

:40:39. > :40:40.couple of years. Yes, I didn't want

:40:41. > :40:42.to be here any more. I think that speaks for itself

:40:43. > :40:44.without me saying those words, but, this really got

:40:45. > :40:48.me down, really did. I think ministers, government,

:40:49. > :40:50.need to have a look As we've been hearing,

:40:51. > :41:04.the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn has told this programme that

:41:05. > :41:06.Theresa May's government appears to have an issue

:41:07. > :41:08.with people with disabilities. This is the full interview,

:41:09. > :41:11.and Mr Corbyn began by describing what action he's demanding

:41:12. > :41:22.from Ministers over personal The court made a ruling and the

:41:23. > :41:26.Government did not put it to the Social Security advisory committee,

:41:27. > :41:30.which is what they would normally do before introducing legislation. On

:41:31. > :41:33.the 23rd of February they laid a statutory instrument before

:41:34. > :41:38.Parliament to negate the decision of the court and thus 164,000 people

:41:39. > :41:43.did not receive enhanced PIP payments from the beginning of

:41:44. > :41:48.April. I think that is disgraceful, we will obviously oppose it when it

:41:49. > :41:54.comes before Parliament but that is the Government position, they are

:41:55. > :41:56.wrong. The Government say everybody currently on personal independence

:41:57. > :42:03.payments will continue to receive it.

:42:04. > :42:07.The current recipients will continue to receive it, these are new

:42:08. > :42:10.applications for people suffering from severe conditions such as

:42:11. > :42:15.post-traumatic stress and a number of others, who will not get the

:42:16. > :42:19.necessary enhanced payments to live an independent life. They are

:42:20. > :42:23.suffering from quite serious mental health conditions and I think they

:42:24. > :42:27.deserve to be supported. The Government's policy, in law there is

:42:28. > :42:32.a parity between physical and mental health, it seemed to be undermined

:42:33. > :42:38.by the Government's decision. The DWP says 65% of recipients, those

:42:39. > :42:42.getting PIP with the mental health condition, get the highest rate of

:42:43. > :42:51.the daily living expenses, versus 22% under the previous Labour policy

:42:52. > :42:52.of the disability living allowance. The number getting personal

:42:53. > :42:56.independence payments is considerable, they deserve it and

:42:57. > :42:59.are integral to bid. This is about new applicants are people suffering

:43:00. > :43:03.from mental health conditions who will not get the enhanced payments.

:43:04. > :43:08.I think they should, we will challenge this in Parliament and I

:43:09. > :43:13.think it is extremely unfair. Explain why having a mental health

:43:14. > :43:16.condition like anxiety, the condition referred to by Theresa

:43:17. > :43:23.May's head of policy units, is a serious in your view as having a

:43:24. > :43:26.severe disability? He is very derogatory language and sedatives

:43:27. > :43:33.eventually -- essentially people who do not have a serious condition at

:43:34. > :43:36.all. I think he should talk to people who have developed obsessive

:43:37. > :43:43.disorders, those with post-rheumatic stress and a number of others, they

:43:44. > :43:46.need support to live independently and get support to recover from it

:43:47. > :43:51.all together. Denying them the support they need in order to live

:43:52. > :43:55.independently is counter-productive because their condition will

:43:56. > :44:00.probably get worse, they will become a greater cost because they will

:44:01. > :44:06.possibly need care in a residential setting. I wonder if you think there

:44:07. > :44:10.should maybe be one payments that everyone receives regardless of the

:44:11. > :44:15.severity of their disability or mental health condition? The

:44:16. > :44:18.principle behind personal independence payments is the

:44:19. > :44:22.principal of independent living, where those who have conditions or

:44:23. > :44:27.to be able to live independently in their own home, and the costs vary

:44:28. > :44:30.between different parts of the country, different levels of

:44:31. > :44:34.conditions, meaning there has to be an assessment made. If you have a

:44:35. > :44:38.flat rate benefit to the whole country it is not necessarily

:44:39. > :44:41.reflect the costs to some people, and some need more current support

:44:42. > :44:50.than others, they might need some body to help them, others may be

:44:51. > :44:52.able to manage with minimal help -- some need more care and support than

:44:53. > :44:55.others. You cannot legislate simply for every single mental health

:44:56. > :45:00.condition. You will know the disability welfare bill has steadily

:45:01. > :45:05.increased for rent two decades, are you this morning saying you are

:45:06. > :45:09.except that it will keep increasing in the future? -- are you this

:45:10. > :45:15.morning saying that you access to that? I think it will increase for a

:45:16. > :45:18.number of reasons, one is the older population, medical research has

:45:19. > :45:21.moved on a lot and people are able to survive quite bad injuries when

:45:22. > :45:24.they end up with a disability condition which in previous decades

:45:25. > :45:31.maybe they would not have survived from. I think the costs will go up

:45:32. > :45:35.but I think we have to judge ourselves as a society. Do we

:45:36. > :45:39.believe that those with any form of disability can contribute? Yes. Do

:45:40. > :45:43.we believe they should live independently? Yes. Does that mean

:45:44. > :45:47.we have to support them? Obviously, that is part of the price of

:45:48. > :45:52.civilised living. The Government say the changes they want to make would

:45:53. > :45:58.save ?3.7 billion, where would you get that money from?

:45:59. > :46:04.I would continue by not reducing the level of inheritance tax. I would

:46:05. > :46:09.look at it as a cost that we all have to bear as a society for the

:46:10. > :46:13.benefit of all of us. That reversal in corporation tax

:46:14. > :46:18.cut, you've spent it quite a few times now. You've said you'll use it

:46:19. > :46:24.to plug the gap in social care funding and you'll use it to address

:46:25. > :46:27.the pay freeze on public sector workers and you'll abolish tuition

:46:28. > :46:34.fees and bring back grants and that adds up to ?14 billion a year. There

:46:35. > :46:40.would have to be other sources of income as well for central

:46:41. > :46:44.Government. That issue has to be decided upon. Has to be examined

:46:45. > :46:48.carefully, but I just make the point that this Government is moving in a

:46:49. > :46:51.trajectory of lowering the top rate of taxation, lowering the levels of

:46:52. > :46:55.corporate taxation, lowering the levels of inheritance tax, all that

:46:56. > :47:02.has a price to pay and it is all of us who have to pay that price.

:47:03. > :47:07.Reversing the corporation tax cut saves ?7.5 billion over five years,

:47:08. > :47:13.and reintroducing the 50 pence tax rate brings in ?100 million a year.

:47:14. > :47:17.Where else would you pay for this ?3.7 billion for these enhanced

:47:18. > :47:21.payments for more claimants? Let's start from the principle we should

:47:22. > :47:25.pay them. Start from the principle that these people are entitled to

:47:26. > :47:29.that care and support and we have to raise the taxation to deal with it

:47:30. > :47:34.and we're also considering the level which we would raise corporation tax

:47:35. > :47:39.in order to raise more funds for public needs because we do need it

:47:40. > :47:43.as you quite rightly identify to fund education improvements as well

:47:44. > :47:46.as maintain a decent level of funding for those with disabilities

:47:47. > :47:51.and also, of course, properly fund our NHS and social care system. You

:47:52. > :47:56.will know there is a certain level of public support for reducing the

:47:57. > :48:01.welfare bill? There is always a public support for lots of different

:48:02. > :48:06.things, but I think anyone who has talked to somebody, who has gone

:48:07. > :48:10.through a mental health crisis, somebody that's going through

:48:11. > :48:12.post-traumatic stress or somebody that's suffering from physical

:48:13. > :48:15.disability, everybody would recognise they have a right to be

:48:16. > :48:19.able to live their lives as independently as possible and as

:48:20. > :48:23.decently as possible. I think when you put to the public the simple

:48:24. > :48:27.human case for spending all of our resources or helping those people to

:48:28. > :48:33.live fuller lives then I think there is a lot of support for that. Do you

:48:34. > :48:39.think Theresa May and her Government have an I shall ub with people with

:48:40. > :48:43.disabilities? They seem to have an issue over social care and they seem

:48:44. > :48:48.to have an issue over disabilities because last year they did try toe

:48:49. > :48:52.remove the Personal Independence Payments by ?4 billion. They then

:48:53. > :48:57.reversed that cut after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and

:48:58. > :49:02.then agreed to carry on paying it. So there is a deficit built into the

:49:03. > :49:06.Budget already because of that. They then see this as a further

:49:07. > :49:12.opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. Well, I think they

:49:13. > :49:17.just need to think about the kind of society we are. The way we support

:49:18. > :49:20.people and hope they will change their minds on this. We will

:49:21. > :49:24.certainly oppose the statutory instrument in Parliament. That's the

:49:25. > :49:29.legal jargon for bringing this thing in and hope the Government will

:49:30. > :49:32.change its mind. We certainly have never changed our minds on this.

:49:33. > :49:37.People need support. Why would they have an issue with people with

:49:38. > :49:41.certain disabilities? I think they have an issue about being prepared

:49:42. > :49:44.to argue the case to spend public money in supporting people who need

:49:45. > :49:49.to be able to live as independently as possible. All the time I have

:49:50. > :49:53.been in Parliament there has been debates about disability, we have

:49:54. > :49:56.moved a long, long way. We got equalities legislation and

:49:57. > :49:59.disabilities right and we got parity of he is seem through on physical

:50:00. > :50:03.and mental health and things have changed a great deal. Clearly, there

:50:04. > :50:08.is a cost involved in that. It is how you judge and measure society.

:50:09. > :50:13.Let me ask you one or two other questions if I may. One of your own

:50:14. > :50:16.Labour MPs said the former Conservative Prime Minister John

:50:17. > :50:21.Major is more effective at attacking Theresa May than Labour right now.

:50:22. > :50:26.Is that colleague of yours right? I have no idea who he is or she is or

:50:27. > :50:30.why they say that. We are attacking this Government on issues of health

:50:31. > :50:34.and social care as we have just been discussing. We are attacking this

:50:35. > :50:38.Government on issues of economic development, of unemployment, under

:50:39. > :50:42.employment, zero-hours contracts and insecurity in work, we're attacking

:50:43. > :50:45.this Government on all these fronts. Because John Major is critical of

:50:46. > :50:49.the Government over the European Union, so are we. We have accepted

:50:50. > :50:53.the result of the referendum. But we also want to make sure there is a

:50:54. > :50:58.good, effective tariff-free trading relationship with Europe in the

:50:59. > :51:02.future. Former Conservative leader William Hague says Theresa May

:51:03. > :51:05.should scrap the legislation that would then allow her to call a snap

:51:06. > :51:11.general election. Would you welcome that? Well, the legislation was put

:51:12. > :51:17.in with all party support only in the last Parliament which is known

:51:18. > :51:22.as a fixed term parliaments Act, the fixed Parliament Acts require that

:51:23. > :51:26.Parliament goes for five years unless two-thirds of MPs vote for

:51:27. > :51:29.dissolution of Parliament. We supported that legislation because

:51:30. > :51:33.we wanted to ensure greater stability in politics, but if there

:51:34. > :51:37.is a proposal to get rid of it then I'm sure we'd consider it. Does that

:51:38. > :51:41.mean you would welcome the snap general election or not? I want to

:51:42. > :51:44.see a different Government. I don't want to see this Government in

:51:45. > :51:49.office. So you would welcome the snap general election.

:51:50. > :51:59.Theoretically, are you saying you'd win it then? We would take our case

:52:00. > :52:03.out to the country. The case out for dealing with the housing crisis

:52:04. > :52:12.rather than leaving so many people living in housing stress or homeless

:52:13. > :52:20.or unable to buy because they can't find anywhere to buy. The latest

:52:21. > :52:24.poll puts Labour 18 points behind the Conservative Government. That's

:52:25. > :52:28.the biggest lead since you became leader and it has been like that for

:52:29. > :52:32.a few months which suggests even if voters agree with your message, they

:52:33. > :52:38.like your message, they've stopped listening to you as the messenger?

:52:39. > :52:41.We're getting out there with our case, our case for national Health

:52:42. > :52:45.Service, our case for social care, our case for jobs, our case for

:52:46. > :52:49.housing, our case for decency in society. We will put that out there.

:52:50. > :52:53.We'll put that out there because the levels of inequality in this country

:52:54. > :52:57.are totally unacceptable and the inability of so many young people to

:52:58. > :53:02.make the most of their lives because of the levels of debt they get into

:53:03. > :53:06.in university or the very low levels of pay they get, or the high cost of

:53:07. > :53:10.rent in the private rented sector. If you put that out there, do you

:53:11. > :53:12.think that's enough for you to win a snap general election? We will be

:53:13. > :53:16.out there campaigning. We will be out there taking our message, taking

:53:17. > :53:19.our message of hope to the people of this country. And we're very

:53:20. > :53:22.confident that that message will be well received. Does that mean yes,

:53:23. > :53:29.you could win a snap general election? We will take our case out.

:53:30. > :53:33.We will do our very best to win an election. Nobody knows the result of

:53:34. > :53:37.an election before they go into it, but we do know that we have a

:53:38. > :53:43.strong, moral and just case to put to the people of this country, of

:53:44. > :53:48.the kind of country we could be. You definitely won't say yes, you could

:53:49. > :53:52.win a snap general election. Nobody can say they're going to win an

:53:53. > :53:55.election. All you can say is you go into an election determined to win

:53:56. > :53:58.it so that you can deliver for the people of this country the kind of

:53:59. > :54:04.society they deserve and we believe is possible.

:54:05. > :54:07.I wonder is the soft coup that your shod owe chancellor revealed

:54:08. > :54:13.recently, is that over or still ongoing? I'm asking all Labour MPs

:54:14. > :54:17.to get behind the strategy we're putting forward. Get behind an

:54:18. > :54:22.investment-led economy, get behind our opposition to what this

:54:23. > :54:25.Government is doing in creating greater inequality in our society.

:54:26. > :54:29.We have a large party membership campaigning week in and week out and

:54:30. > :54:32.we have council and mayoral elections coming up. We're going to

:54:33. > :54:35.be together on those doorsteps winning the elections. Do you think

:54:36. > :54:40.privately there are some of your colleagues who are plotting against

:54:41. > :54:43.you still? I think there is a media obsession with the internal workings

:54:44. > :54:46.of the Labour Party. Well, it was John McDonnell, it was your Shadow

:54:47. > :54:54.Chancellor who told us about a soft coup... I know. I know. Listen,

:54:55. > :54:57.let's get out there on the policies, let's get out there united as a

:54:58. > :55:01.party, determined to change the way that people live in our society so

:55:02. > :55:04.they can live better lives, that's what politics is really all about.

:55:05. > :55:10.What do you want to see from the Chancellor in tomorrow's Budget?

:55:11. > :55:12.What I would like to see is sufficient funding for the NHS and

:55:13. > :55:16.social care. I think that's a key. What I would also like to see is

:55:17. > :55:20.addressing the issues of the school funding crisis which means that many

:55:21. > :55:24.schools are now faced with a horrible prospect of laying off

:55:25. > :55:27.teachers or teaching assistants. Classes gotting bigger and

:55:28. > :55:31.children's support in education getting less. I want to see those

:55:32. > :55:35.issues addressed and I also want to see something very positive about

:55:36. > :55:38.housing particularly development of council housing so that people can

:55:39. > :55:42.get somewhere decent to live rather than having to pay often very

:55:43. > :55:46.excessive rents for inadequate quality of private rented

:55:47. > :55:49.accommodation. We are expecting an announcement on an increase in

:55:50. > :55:52.funding for school places in the Budget including for new grammar

:55:53. > :55:58.school places, what do you think of those Conservative plans? I think

:55:59. > :56:02.they're barking up the wrong tree completely on this. The issue of

:56:03. > :56:07.school funding and school places. The issue isn't going around to

:56:08. > :56:11.develop selective education. The issue is supporting the schools that

:56:12. > :56:14.we've got and supporting the principal of local community schools

:56:15. > :56:17.rather than selection. There is no great public support for selection

:56:18. > :56:22.because they realise if you have selection for one group of people,

:56:23. > :56:26.somebody else doesn't get selected. Please forgive me Mr Corbyn, I will

:56:27. > :56:29.come back to my question about whether you think you would win a

:56:30. > :56:35.snap general election. Are you telling me... Are you telling me

:56:36. > :56:41.that you're confident you would win a general election? We're going to

:56:42. > :56:44.take our case out to the countriment we're very confident of the support

:56:45. > :56:47.we can get to win an election to take our case to the British people.

:56:48. > :56:51.Don't under estimate the support there is for the Labour Party. Don't

:56:52. > :56:54.under estimate the anger that there is out there of the levels of

:56:55. > :56:59.inequality and injustice in our society. We'll expose that. That's

:57:00. > :57:03.where our case is very, very strong. Can you answer yes or no, please?

:57:04. > :57:06.You've asked me the question, many, many times, how many times do I have

:57:07. > :57:10.to tell you, we're taking our case out there to win because we believe

:57:11. > :57:14.we can win. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you.

:57:15. > :57:23.We will get reaction to that from the former Work and Pensions

:57:24. > :57:26.Secretary, Stephen Crabb. Denise says, "He can't answer a simple

:57:27. > :57:32.question as to how he would pay for it. I fully support the welfare cuts

:57:33. > :57:35.and the Government." Vivy says, "I agree with Jeremy Corbyn. I'm

:57:36. > :57:38.concerned about the Government's attitude to the disabled." Emma

:57:39. > :57:42.says, "It isn't just people with mental health issues that will be

:57:43. > :57:47.affected by PIP changes is this is a huge issue, but not the only issue."

:57:48. > :57:56.Sarah says, "Corbyn is talking rubbish. He's plucking his money

:57:57. > :58:03.tree again." Ness says, "The system is cruel. It is judgemental and it

:58:04. > :58:08.belittles you. ." Another viewer says, "I am a carer. Are there any

:58:09. > :58:11.stats on how many suicides occurred as a result of the forms and the

:58:12. > :58:16.process? If only the Government could see the despair and defeat on

:58:17. > :58:21.the faces of the vulnerable people I go to to look after." Thank you. The

:58:22. > :58:27.latest news and sport in a moment after the weather. Here is Stav.

:58:28. > :58:37.Good morning. What a chilly one it has been. It will be the last of the

:58:38. > :58:41.chilly mornings. Plenty of sunshine to compensate the cold morning.

:58:42. > :58:44.Further west the cloud is continuing to thicken like this picture shows

:58:45. > :58:48.in Somerset. That's because we've got this weather front which is

:58:49. > :58:51.slowly creeping in off the Atlantic to brood deuce stronger winds and

:58:52. > :58:56.thicker cloud and rain to western areas as the day wears on. There is

:58:57. > :59:00.another weather front affecting the north-east corner of Scotland and

:59:01. > :59:04.the Northern Isles. Lots of sunshine around, but the rain will continue

:59:05. > :59:07.to march in slowly across more western areas. For Scotland, not a

:59:08. > :59:11.bad afternoon. There should be good sunshine around on the mainland.

:59:12. > :59:14.Sunshine and showers continuing across the Northern Isles. More

:59:15. > :59:17.prolonged rain at times and feeling cold with the wind there. Some of

:59:18. > :59:20.the rain getting in towards Western Scotland because for Northern

:59:21. > :59:23.Ireland here, for you, it will be turning cloudier and wetter and

:59:24. > :59:26.breezier for this part of the afternoon and the rain gotting in

:59:27. > :59:28.towards parts of Wales and the south-west of England, but the

:59:29. > :59:32.Midlands eastwards will hold on to the drier and the brighter weather.

:59:33. > :59:37.The sunshine becoming hazier at times too, but in the brighter spots

:59:38. > :59:41.we could make ten or 11 Celsius. Elsewhere, staying in single

:59:42. > :59:45.figures. It isn't until this evening and overnight the rain gets its act

:59:46. > :59:49.together and marches across the UK. A bit of snow over the higher ground

:59:50. > :59:53.of Scotland for a while before that mild air pumps in right across the

:59:54. > :59:56.UK. So by the end of tonight, we're looking at temperatures of four to

:59:57. > :00:01.maybe nine Celsius across the south. So it means for Wednesday, we're in

:00:02. > :00:04.the mild air. It is going to be a tale of two halfs. Northern areas

:00:05. > :00:06.will see blustery showers. For Scotland and Northern Ireland and

:00:07. > :00:09.the far north of England Arsunshine. For much of England and Wales the

:00:10. > :00:14.weather front will be stubborn to clear so it will be damp here.

:00:15. > :00:17.Outbreaks of rain. Some hill fog and mist and murk, but very mild

:00:18. > :00:20.across-the-board, but across central and southern parts of Britain with

:00:21. > :00:25.top temperatures of around 14 Celsius. If we pull out to show the

:00:26. > :00:28.big picture into Thursday, you can see the area of low pressure moves

:00:29. > :00:30.away from the north of Scotland and we will have a weather front across

:00:31. > :00:34.the south of the country, but I think it is a ridge of high pressure

:00:35. > :00:37.dominating so for many areas, it should be dry with sunshine, and

:00:38. > :00:40.probably the best of the sunshine across eastern areas. A lot of cloud

:00:41. > :00:45.further south and west. A few showers across the south and very

:00:46. > :00:48.mild again with top temperatures of 14 Celsius or 15 Celsius. The mild

:00:49. > :00:52.air will be with us until the end of the week and into the weekend, but

:00:53. > :00:56.don't expect wall to wall sunshine. There is going to be a lot of cloud

:00:57. > :00:57.around and outbreaks of rain too. It stays mild into the start of next

:00:58. > :01:02.week too. That's your weather. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10am,

:01:03. > :01:05.I'm Victoria Derbyshire. In a court battle to keep

:01:06. > :01:08.their seventh month old baby alive, we hear from a couple who tell us

:01:09. > :01:11.exclusively why they are fighting to take their seriously ill

:01:12. > :01:14.son Charlie to the USA for potentially

:01:15. > :01:25.lifesaving treatment. At the end of the day, we just want

:01:26. > :01:30.him to be given a chance because, you know, you will never find

:01:31. > :01:36.treatments or cures for these things if you never try anything. What

:01:37. > :01:41.we're asking to give him are not poisons, they are naturally

:01:42. > :01:46.occurring compounds that me and you can produce, unfortunately he is

:01:47. > :01:50.deficient in them. So many of you getting untouched, Mark says my

:01:51. > :01:55.heart and love go to you two and you... Your boy. -- so many of you

:01:56. > :01:57.getting into edge. You will be able to watch the full

:01:58. > :01:59.interview shortly. We'll also bring you reaction

:02:00. > :02:01.to our exclusive interview with Jeremy Corbyn -

:02:02. > :02:03.he's told us Theresa an issue with people

:02:04. > :02:10.with disabilities. They seem to have an issue of the

:02:11. > :02:17.disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence

:02:18. > :02:20.payments by ?4 billion. I think they have to think about the kind of

:02:21. > :02:27.society we are, the way we support people. In the next few minutes we

:02:28. > :02:29.will bring you an interview with former Work and Pensions Secretary

:02:30. > :02:35.for the Conservatives, Stephen Crabb, he flatly rejects the idea

:02:36. > :02:36.that the Conservative Government has an issue with people with

:02:37. > :02:37.disabilities. And the army widow who says she has

:02:38. > :02:40.suffered five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

:02:41. > :02:42.attacked her in his sleep. She says post-traumatic

:02:43. > :02:47.stress was involved. She tells us why she is suing the

:02:48. > :02:51.Ministry of Defence. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:02:52. > :02:54.with a summary of today's news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:02:55. > :02:56.programme that he believes Theresa May's Government has

:02:57. > :02:58.an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:02:59. > :03:02.the Government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:03:03. > :03:04.disability benefits - particularly personal

:03:05. > :03:08.independent payments. The Government has insisted

:03:09. > :03:11.that the welfare system is a strong safety net for those who are in need

:03:12. > :03:15.of it. They seem to have an issue over

:03:16. > :03:18.disabilities because last year they did try to remove

:03:19. > :03:20.the Personal Independence They then reversed that cut

:03:21. > :03:27.after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and then agreed

:03:28. > :03:32.to carry on paying it. So there is a deficit built

:03:33. > :03:34.into the Budget already They then see this as a further

:03:35. > :03:38.opportunity to prevent Well, I think they just need

:03:39. > :03:43.to think about the kind of society we are and the way

:03:44. > :03:48.we support people. The NSPCC has strongly condemned

:03:49. > :03:51.Facebook after it failed to remove some content featuring inappropriate

:03:52. > :03:56.and sexualised images of children. A BBC investigation found

:03:57. > :03:58.a hundred such images, but after reporting them,

:03:59. > :04:03.only 18 were removed. Facebook said it had taken down

:04:04. > :04:05.all items that were illegal A British woman has been rescued

:04:06. > :04:11.by police officers in Australia after allegedly being held

:04:12. > :04:13.against her will for A 22-year-old man from Queensland

:04:14. > :04:17.has been charged with several counts of rape and assault

:04:18. > :04:20.after she was found with injuries A couple who are fighting

:04:21. > :04:30.a court battle to prevent Great Ormond Street from turning

:04:31. > :04:33.off their baby's life support have told this programme they just

:04:34. > :04:35.want to improve their son's Chris Gard and Connie Yates

:04:36. > :04:39.want to take their son Charlie Doctors at Great Ormond Street have

:04:40. > :04:42.applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not

:04:43. > :04:58.in his best interest. He has fought to stay here. You

:04:59. > :05:02.know, as I say, if we feel he was in pain and suffering, which we don't,

:05:03. > :05:08.seriously, we would not be doing this. We are not bad parents. We

:05:09. > :05:12.just want him to be given a chance. If he is not in pain or suffering,

:05:13. > :05:13.as we feel he is, we will fight to the very end to get him the

:05:14. > :05:14.treatment. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:15. > :05:24.News - more at 10:30am. I want to read you this e-mail from

:05:25. > :05:27.Louise. I have been watching Charlie's parents with tears in my

:05:28. > :05:32.eyes. I want to tell you what happened to my family. The doctors

:05:33. > :05:35.wanted to turn off my dad's life support after he suffered a brain

:05:36. > :05:40.haemorrhage and heart attack in 1990. They told us he would be a

:05:41. > :05:46.vegetable. We defied the doctors and we kept my father alive. It took a

:05:47. > :05:49.long time for my father to recover, to live independently, but I am

:05:50. > :05:52.happy to say that we did the right thing.

:05:53. > :05:55.He was not a vegetable, my father went on to live another 20 years

:05:56. > :05:59.with the family that lived in very much and we are so pleased that we

:06:00. > :06:02.did not give up on him. The doctors are not always right, never give up

:06:03. > :06:07.hope. Obviously you are seeing pictures of

:06:08. > :06:09.Charlie being treated in Great Ormond Street Hospital, he is seven

:06:10. > :06:14.months of age. A text from one viewer, I feel so

:06:15. > :06:25.sad for Charlie and his parents, I say to them, go for it. I have

:06:26. > :06:27.personal experience with some doctors playing God, particularly

:06:28. > :06:30.babies being born with syndromes. Some parents will be told that their

:06:31. > :06:33.babies will be a cabbage only to find later they live a full life.

:06:34. > :06:36.Good luck, I hope it works. David says, come on, if there is a

:06:37. > :06:41.chance for this child to live and thrive they have to try. All life is

:06:42. > :06:44.precious and for doctors to say, let the baby die, it seems ludicrous.

:06:45. > :06:46.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:06:47. > :06:50.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:06:51. > :06:54.Arsenal will need to make Champions League history tonight

:06:55. > :06:57.and become the first club to overhaul a four-goal first-leg

:06:58. > :06:59.deficit when they line up against Bayern Munich

:07:00. > :07:04.We may be seeing a different side to Arsene Wenger -

:07:05. > :07:09.he's asked for a lucid rage from his players.

:07:10. > :07:18.The players are ready to fight, but it is always a mixture of a little

:07:19. > :07:25.bit success all a little bit belief, you know? I think we live in the

:07:26. > :07:31.world of small margins and it should drop off a little bit. On the belief

:07:32. > :07:36.site. And on the confidence fronted looks always like you do not want to

:07:37. > :07:37.fight. These players, I wanted to present believe that these players

:07:38. > :07:40.wants to do well and want to win. Chelsea continue their march

:07:41. > :07:43.towards the Premier League title. They're now ten points clear

:07:44. > :07:46.after a 2-1 win at West Ham. They haven't been beaten since

:07:47. > :07:50.losing to Spurs on January 4th. After the break, Diego Costa added

:07:51. > :07:56.a second with his thigh. Manuel Lanzini grabbed

:07:57. > :07:58.a consolation goal in injury time Chelsea are now

:07:59. > :08:18.unbeaten in ten games. We must think that we're able to

:08:19. > :08:25.take 26 points to win this title. But it goes step-by-step. It is

:08:26. > :08:28.important to see it again by game, to dream is good but it is important

:08:29. > :08:30.to keep our feet on the ground. India's cricketers have pulled off

:08:31. > :08:33.a dramatic win over Australia in Bangaluru to level the four match

:08:34. > :08:35.test series at one-all. Australia needed just 188 to win

:08:36. > :08:41.but were skittled out for just 112. They were already in deep

:08:42. > :08:43.trouble when captain Smith was unsure whether to review

:08:44. > :08:51.the decision and seemed to try to communicate

:08:52. > :08:53.with his dressing room - India skipper Virat Kohli was angry

:08:54. > :08:58.at Smith's antics and the umpires Ravi Ashwin took six wickets

:08:59. > :09:05.as India sealed a 75 run victory. The third Test is

:09:06. > :09:10.a week on Thursday. Ronnie O'Sullivan is

:09:11. > :09:12.through to the second round of the Players Championship

:09:13. > :09:15.in Wales after a 5 frames to 1 The Rocket, who's a five

:09:16. > :09:18.time world champion, was rarely troubled as he eased

:09:19. > :09:21.through to a second round clash against either Judd Trump

:09:22. > :09:24.or Mark King in a tournament which sees the world's top

:09:25. > :09:32.16 players take part. That's all the sport for now.

:09:33. > :09:38.Thank you. Welcome to the programme. An army widow who says

:09:39. > :09:40.she had five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly

:09:41. > :09:43.attacked her in his sleep is suing Lindsey Roberts says she lost

:09:44. > :09:48.the babies when her husband, Andrew, mistakenly hit her

:09:49. > :09:50.during his nightmares. She claims the military

:09:51. > :09:53.knew her late husband had a post-traumatic stress disorder yet

:09:54. > :09:55.sent him on nine tours of duty in ten years,

:09:56. > :09:57.including two in Iraq He died following a Taliban

:09:58. > :10:04.mortar attack in 2012. Lindsey Roberts is now

:10:05. > :10:07.pursuing two legal claims against the Ministry of Defence,

:10:08. > :10:11.one for failing its duty of care towards her husband by allowing him

:10:12. > :10:15.to return to Afghanistan in 2012 and the other a personal injury

:10:16. > :10:17.claim for the injuries she suffered It's the first time an Army widow

:10:18. > :10:36.has sued the government Good morning. Thank you for coming

:10:37. > :10:41.on the programme. Tell us about Andrew when you first met him? He

:10:42. > :10:47.was a good guy. I was working in the NAAFI on the army base, one of the

:10:48. > :10:51.barmaids, I was 18, he was 19. We got married two years later and

:10:52. > :11:00.shortly after Andrew went on his first tour of Iraq. As you would

:11:01. > :11:05.expect, he experience and pretty horrendous things. When he came

:11:06. > :11:09.home, did he seem different? Yes, but every soldier keen is different

:11:10. > :11:14.when they are home. Nobody goes to these two zones, the things they see

:11:15. > :11:19.are horrendous. Nobody comes back the same. Nobody comes back the same

:11:20. > :11:28.at all, you expect them to be a bit disjointed and a bit emotional. For

:11:29. > :11:33.us, the real problem is caked in about five weeks after he got back,

:11:34. > :11:37.I fell pregnant, our first pregnancy, five weeks into my

:11:38. > :11:41.pregnancy Andrew had his first serious night terror where he

:11:42. > :11:47.thrashed out in the night. Could you explain what a night to raise? It is

:11:48. > :11:52.a nightmare. Andrew, when he had his, he would be in a sleepwalking

:11:53. > :11:57.state in bed. -- can you explain what a night terror is? He would be

:11:58. > :12:01.moving around or doing things but was not awake, he had no knowledge

:12:02. > :12:04.whatsoever of what he was doing, did not know where he was, did not know

:12:05. > :12:09.he was at home all who was around him. If you see somebody

:12:10. > :12:14.sleepwalking, you cannot control what is going on in their head. It

:12:15. > :12:19.is the same thing, he had no clue. What did he do to you that led to a

:12:20. > :12:26.miscarriage? He was thrashing round the bed trying to fight, he was not

:12:27. > :12:29.aware where he was. On Andrew's first tour, his job was that a

:12:30. > :12:34.prisoner of war camp, I don't know what he saw that caused those

:12:35. > :12:38.nightmares but I know that when he woke up, there were occasions when

:12:39. > :12:43.he said he dreamt he was captured. I don't know what he was fighting

:12:44. > :12:46.against, who he thought he was fighting, he certainly did not know

:12:47. > :12:55.it was me in the bed next to him. But as a result, you say, you lost

:12:56. > :13:00.the baby? We lost five pregnancies in total. One in three women in the

:13:01. > :13:03.UK miscarry, it is hard to prove they are connected to the night

:13:04. > :13:07.terrors. We cannot win any compensation from taking that part

:13:08. > :13:14.to court, that is purely to make people stand up and realise that it

:13:15. > :13:18.is not just... The series of the PTSD and the lads that are

:13:19. > :13:22.suffering, but this affects families, too. Over Christmas, I

:13:23. > :13:28.work at something called The Roberts Project, we were inundated with

:13:29. > :13:31.messages from wives and girlfriends of soldiers suffering PTSD, they are

:13:32. > :13:35.crying out for help because their husbands and boyfriends are having

:13:36. > :13:40.night terrors. I had somebody that ended up in hospital because she was

:13:41. > :13:48.smashed in the face with something. She is awaiting surgery. We had

:13:49. > :13:51.another girl that has just ended up in an absolute state, her husbands

:13:52. > :13:59.can't remember doing a single thing about it. It is unwinnable, the

:14:00. > :14:04.compensation claim. You want to raise awareness. It is purely about

:14:05. > :14:08.awareness. Of former soldiers with PTSD that are not getting the

:14:09. > :14:12.specialist help they need? One of the problems I hear about on a

:14:13. > :14:16.regular basis through our projects is that these soldiers... Soldiers

:14:17. > :14:20.have a lot of banter that goes on in camp, they are conditioned to

:14:21. > :14:25.certain way, they tend to swear a lot, it is all in jest. But when

:14:26. > :14:31.they go into the NHS services, obviously any chess has a zero

:14:32. > :14:37.policy, zero-tolerance on swearing and abuse -- obviously the NHS has.

:14:38. > :14:43.Soldiers swear. They swear. There is no skirting around it. They don't do

:14:44. > :14:46.it in an abusive way, they swear in general conversation. When they

:14:47. > :14:50.swear and they are around somebody that works in the NHS in a mental

:14:51. > :14:55.health capacity, they are told to stop swearing and they will be

:14:56. > :14:59.refused treatment. Tell a soldier suffering from PTSD that he is about

:15:00. > :15:05.to be refused treatment because he swore, he will react. You say you

:15:06. > :15:09.had five miscarriages because of Andrew, in the middle of the night,

:15:10. > :15:14.effectively sleepwalking but kind of attacking you. Why didn't you move

:15:15. > :15:18.out of the bed? Quite frankly, your kids don't have nightmares every

:15:19. > :15:27.night, neither did Andrew. You could not get out of the room? Once we had

:15:28. > :15:32.our children, the first time it happened it was a massive shock. It

:15:33. > :15:36.is like your kids. Your kids will have nightmares once in awhile, they

:15:37. > :15:39.won't have them every single night of the week. Do you know what I

:15:40. > :15:43.mean? You would not lock your child in a room because they might go

:15:44. > :15:48.somewhere, that is not how life works. We a happily married couple

:15:49. > :15:51.at the time and obviously Andrew could not have guessed when the

:15:52. > :15:58.nightmares would happen, I could not have guessed, one thing we have

:15:59. > :16:04.linked now looking into the case, when Andrew was suffering the worst

:16:05. > :16:08.of these nightmares he was on a medication called Larry, an

:16:09. > :16:11.antimalarial drug. We have reported on that and some people who have

:16:12. > :16:18.taken it have been subjected to those nights terrors.

:16:19. > :16:26.We can't know for certain. Andrew isn't here anymore and it is

:16:27. > :16:31.important for people to realise he was an amazing soldier and he was an

:16:32. > :16:35.amazing dad. He would have done anything for anybody. I know for a

:16:36. > :16:39.fact if he could save lives with his story being told now to help these

:16:40. > :16:46.soldiers that are suffering PTSD, that are not getting the help that

:16:47. > :16:51.they need and potentially, are the on the route to committing suicide,

:16:52. > :16:55.the Army only, the MoD only keep stats on suicides that have happened

:16:56. > :16:58.within service. They don't keep stats on suicides that happen after

:16:59. > :17:03.service because they say it is too hard to keep track of these

:17:04. > :17:11.ex-servicemen. Andrew tried to take his own life in 2011? He did, yes.

:17:12. > :17:16.He was killed in a mortar attack in Afghanistan in 2012. Do you have any

:17:17. > :17:19.idea if the MoD were aware of his mental health? In 2009, and we

:17:20. > :17:23.staoully, this is the evidence that has gun to the papers and this is

:17:24. > :17:27.why they printed it and took it seriously. In 2009, it is in his

:17:28. > :17:34.doctor's records and in my doctor's records that a meeting with the MoD,

:17:35. > :17:38.Army welfare, the doctors and the police took place and it actually

:17:39. > :17:44.states on the records the exact words are to discuss with the Army

:17:45. > :17:48.welfare the problems that the husband was having after his return

:17:49. > :17:55.from Afghanistan. Yeah, they knew he was having problems. If he got care.

:17:56. > :18:01.If he got the right care, things might be different? Rchlt He

:18:02. > :18:06.shouldn't have been on that tour. My children might still have their dad.

:18:07. > :18:09.If he hadn't been on that tour, he wouldn't have been gone.

:18:10. > :18:13.Unfortunately you can't go back and change things and we can't change

:18:14. > :18:18.what happened to Andrew. What we're hoping is we can take a stand and

:18:19. > :18:19.stop this happening to anybody else. We have a statement from the

:18:20. > :18:23.Ministry of Defence. "Whilst we wouldn't comment

:18:24. > :18:25.on a specific legal case, the mental health of everyone

:18:26. > :18:28.who serves our country is of the utmost importance

:18:29. > :18:30.and that's why we encourage anyone needing help to come forward and get

:18:31. > :18:33.the assistance they deserve before, Thank you very much for coming on

:18:34. > :18:41.the programme. Thank you. And Lindsay Roberts will be taking

:18:42. > :18:44.part in a Facebook live on the BBC news account shortly -

:18:45. > :18:47.do send her any questions you have. Still to come, we'll have more

:18:48. > :18:49.reaction to comments made by Jeremy Corbyn over planned cuts

:18:50. > :18:54.to a key disability benefit. He told us Theresa May's government

:18:55. > :19:09.has an "issue over disabilities". The Prime Minister is facing another

:19:10. > :19:13.defeat in the House of Commons over Brexit. Peers have voted that

:19:14. > :19:16.European nationals living in Britain can stay once the UK has left. They

:19:17. > :19:22.are expected to call on Theresa May to give a legal commitment that MPs

:19:23. > :19:26.and peers are given a vote before departure in two years time. So what

:19:27. > :19:32.will it mean? Norman Smith is back with us. Hi again, Norman. Hi Vic.

:19:33. > :19:38.No wonder we learned this morning that William Hague was suggesting

:19:39. > :19:41.Mrs May may want to call an early election to bolster her majority

:19:42. > :19:45.because she has been getting a tough time in the House of Lords over

:19:46. > :19:49.Brexit where peers have been coming up with all sorts of changes they

:19:50. > :19:53.want to see in her approach to Brexit. So let's just remind

:19:54. > :19:58.ourselves where we've got to. Mrs May turned up in the Lords the other

:19:59. > :20:01.week to eyeball peers to put pressure on them, not to try and

:20:02. > :20:06.change her Brexit Bill, what did they do? Well, they delivered that

:20:07. > :20:10.clunking great defeat on EU nationals. In effect, telling Mrs

:20:11. > :20:14.May she should guarantee their right to remain in the UK straightaway

:20:15. > :20:20.regardless of what other EU countries do. But tonight, we are

:20:21. > :20:25.expecting more trouble over a so-called meaningful vote. Now, what

:20:26. > :20:31.that would do would give Parliament the final say on any Brexit deal.

:20:32. > :20:35.They would have the power to veto whatever Mrs May finally sorted out.

:20:36. > :20:38.There is pressure for a second vote. A second referendum. This is

:20:39. > :20:41.something the Liberal Democrats are pushing and it seems they have

:20:42. > :20:47.actually been encouraging their peers to buy camp beds so they can

:20:48. > :20:53.stay here late at night to make sure they're here to vote for that second

:20:54. > :20:58.referendum! Lastly, updates. Peers want Mrs May to have to give

:20:59. > :21:03.Parliament regular, three month updates on how the negotiations are

:21:04. > :21:10.going. So, how does the Prime Minister respond? Well, in the

:21:11. > :21:16.Commons Mrs May will seek to overturn all those defeats. She try

:21:17. > :21:22.to use her majority to reverse any defeats inflicted here. Why? Well,

:21:23. > :21:25.because she says don't delay. All these amendments risk slowing down

:21:26. > :21:31.our departure from the EU and she wants to be able to trigger Article

:21:32. > :21:37.50 by the end of March. She will also argue it is the unelected House

:21:38. > :21:40.that is doing all this. When MPs, the elected House, have already

:21:41. > :21:45.voted in favour of Article 50. Why should peers be allowed to hold

:21:46. > :21:50.things up? And lastly she will warn that all these changes risk tying

:21:51. > :21:55.her hands, limiting her ability to negotiate. But Mrs May faces a

:21:56. > :22:00.difficult time because some of her MPs may think, you know what, those

:22:01. > :22:07.peers have got a good point. The real risk for her is that she might

:22:08. > :22:10.even lose in the House of Commons. I think that's perhaps unlikely, but

:22:11. > :22:14.it is a sign of the pressure she is under and why perhaps leading

:22:15. > :22:17.figures like William Hague are saying, you know, what Theresa, you

:22:18. > :22:25.ought to think about a snap election. Cheers, Norman, thank you

:22:26. > :22:31.very much. We have heard quotes from Jeremy

:22:32. > :22:42.Corbyn that he thinks Mrs May's Government has an issue over people

:22:43. > :22:46.with disabilities. They seem to have an issue over

:22:47. > :22:50.disabilities because last year they did try to remove the personal

:22:51. > :22:55.independence payments by ?4 billion. They then reversed that cut after

:22:56. > :23:00.Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later and then agreed to carry

:23:01. > :23:05.on paying it. So there is a deficit built into the budget already

:23:06. > :23:08.because of that. They see this as a further opportunity to prevent the

:23:09. > :23:12.bill rising further. Well, I think they just need to think about the

:23:13. > :23:16.kind of society we are, the way we support people.

:23:17. > :23:19.We asked Number Ten and the Department for Work and Pensions to

:23:20. > :23:26.respond to Mr Corbyn's claims and no one was avail yable. We asked

:23:27. > :23:29.Stephen Crabb why the Government hadn't followed the tribunal's

:23:30. > :23:36.rulings in giving higher personal independence payments. Well, what

:23:37. > :23:39.the tribunals have done is broaden the eligibility criteria for

:23:40. > :23:42.personal independence payments. They have gone way beyond what the

:23:43. > :23:45.intention of Government was when they designed the policy. So in the

:23:46. > :23:50.first place, we don't think it's right that the courts make policy,

:23:51. > :23:55.but more importantly, what the courts themselves said is look the

:23:56. > :23:58.regulations aren't clear. We think that the judgements themselves risk

:23:59. > :24:03.creating more confusion and look, when you've got a system that gives

:24:04. > :24:07.out as much cash payment as personal independence payments you do need

:24:08. > :24:12.clear criteria and so in this case the Government is right in saying

:24:13. > :24:15.that they are going to bring forward regulations that restore what the

:24:16. > :24:19.original policy was. Now, there are problems with the way the personal

:24:20. > :24:23.independent payment system works, but in this case, Government

:24:24. > :24:26.ministers have got it right. But they're independent judges.

:24:27. > :24:29.Independent of Government looking at the issues legally. And that's the

:24:30. > :24:33.decision they have reached. Why won't you follow what they say?

:24:34. > :24:38.Well, their job is to interpret what is in the legislation and the

:24:39. > :24:45.criteria and they themselves said it is not clear. Up until the point of

:24:46. > :24:50.the judgement, the criteria sought to draw a distinction in two

:24:51. > :24:53.important areas between the way the symptoms affect people with

:24:54. > :24:58.different kinds of disabilities in the area of being able to move

:24:59. > :25:03.around, and people then taking therapy and medication at home. Now,

:25:04. > :25:07.we think those distinctions are important. The tribunal made a

:25:08. > :25:11.judgement that risks lumping together different kinds of cases in

:25:12. > :25:14.a way that we don't think is clear. We think it will lead to operational

:25:15. > :25:18.confusion and I think it is right for ministers to bring the policy

:25:19. > :25:23.back to what it was originally intended. How much is it do to with

:25:24. > :25:26.not spending another ?3.7 billion? Well, the critics and Labour Party

:25:27. > :25:31.have said this is about cutting benefit. Nobody, absolutely nobody,

:25:32. > :25:33.will see a cut this their Personal Independence Payment as a result of

:25:34. > :25:38.the new regulations that the Government will bring forward. No,

:25:39. > :25:45.but you don't want to spend the ?3.7 billion? Well, costs are important

:25:46. > :25:47.in consideration of any policy, but I think more importantly, it is

:25:48. > :25:52.about operational clarity and actually have you got a clear set of

:25:53. > :25:56.criteria by which a Government department can distribute billions

:25:57. > :26:01.of pounds of cash every year to vulnerable people up and down the

:26:02. > :26:05.country. It is clear, people with anxiety, who suffer psychological

:26:06. > :26:08.distress when travelling alone, deserve the enhanced payment. That's

:26:09. > :26:16.really clear. With the regulations that they're bringing in people who

:26:17. > :26:21.suffer overwhelming psychological distress will still qualify. People

:26:22. > :26:27.who had a stroke won't. People with schizophrenia? The mistake that a

:26:28. > :26:32.lot of people make when they look at that this is thinking it is about

:26:33. > :26:36.what condition you have? It is not. Personal independent payments are

:26:37. > :26:40.about the impact, the simp tolls of your condition, how they affect your

:26:41. > :26:43.daily life to move around and the additional costs that arise from

:26:44. > :26:46.that. It doesn't matter whether it is a mental disability, a

:26:47. > :26:50.psychological illness or a physical disability, we have tried to design

:26:51. > :26:56.a system that takes account of how those different kinds of diverse

:26:57. > :27:00.disabilities affects your ability to live your every day life. What is it

:27:01. > :27:05.about the Conservative Government and some people with disabilities?

:27:06. > :27:09.Well, I'm proud that we have a welfare support system in this

:27:10. > :27:15.country that spends as much money as it does supporting people living

:27:16. > :27:19.with as diverse a range of physical and mental disabilities than we

:27:20. > :27:22.support. Name another country on earth that spends as much cash

:27:23. > :27:26.payment week in and week out as Britain does supporting people with

:27:27. > :27:29.all kinds of illnesses and disabilities. That's not to say...

:27:30. > :27:35.Every year? The system is not perfect. Lever year there is another

:27:36. > :27:38.attempt by the Conservative Government to squeeze the benefits

:27:39. > :27:43.that help people with disyakets live a full life? That's not true. Nobody

:27:44. > :27:46.is trying to squeeze benefits in the regulations that we're talking about

:27:47. > :27:50.this morning. It is about restoring the policy to that which Parliament

:27:51. > :27:54.originally intended and money, the money being spent on personal

:27:55. > :27:58.independence payments will continue to increase and there is no question

:27:59. > :28:03.of trying to reduce it. It is a question of whether we have clear

:28:04. > :28:06.criteria that the system can operate to, that provides clarity for all

:28:07. > :28:10.users of the system, not least the people applying and seeking the cash

:28:11. > :28:15.support that they need. So the Government doesn't have a problem

:28:16. > :28:20.with some people with disyakets? The Government works extremely closely

:28:21. > :28:22.with people with disabilities and their representative organisations

:28:23. > :28:26.and when the personal independence payments system was designed, it was

:28:27. > :28:31.designed in close consultation with disability charities, mental health

:28:32. > :28:36.organisations, medical specialists, so it has tried to create a benefit

:28:37. > :28:42.that captures as wide a possible range of symptoms and conditions as

:28:43. > :28:45.possible. Ricardo says, "It scares me how

:28:46. > :28:52.cavalier Jeremy Corbyn is with our money. Money that doesn't exist.

:28:53. > :28:57.Luckily he is unelectable." Sue says, "Jeremy Corbyn lives in

:28:58. > :29:02.cloud-cuckoo-land. I think he could win a general election. He's

:29:03. > :29:06.delusional." Another viewer says, "It is shocking that people are

:29:07. > :29:10.treated like criminals when thul' need is money to live." A viewer

:29:11. > :29:14.says, "Jeremy Corbyn won me over this morning. It is about the sort

:29:15. > :29:20.of society we want to be a part of and I'm in full agreement with him."

:29:21. > :29:24.Laura says, "People who claim PIP and other benefits are taxpayers

:29:25. > :29:28.too. We all contribute. Stop being divisive." Another viewer says,

:29:29. > :29:33."They cut my friend's payments by ?300. She has a disability scooter,

:29:34. > :29:38.can't get around. Has several illnesses and is 69 years of age and

:29:39. > :29:43.the can't work. It is disgraceful. She challenged the decision, but it

:29:44. > :29:50.was upheld. It has had a devastating effect on her life."

:29:51. > :29:57.There has been an avalanche in a French ski resort in the south-west

:29:58. > :30:01.of the country, the regional police say that many skiers are stuck.

:30:02. > :30:08.According to witnesses there are many people and to the avalanche in

:30:09. > :30:13.Tignes in south-eastern France, where an avalanche has swamped a ski

:30:14. > :30:19.slope. -- there are many people under the avalanche.

:30:20. > :30:23.Could the vendors from black and minority ethnic backgrounds be given

:30:24. > :30:28.lighter punishments? -- could offenders from? And how

:30:29. > :30:33.Facebooked called the police on the BBC after we revealed potential

:30:34. > :30:34.flaws in their moderation system. That is an astonishing story coming

:30:35. > :30:37.up in the next five minutes. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

:30:38. > :30:40.with a summary of the news. Jeremy Corbyn has told this

:30:41. > :30:42.programme that he believes Theresa May's government has

:30:43. > :30:44.an issue with people Labour has previously criticised

:30:45. > :30:47.the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim

:30:48. > :30:49.disability benefits - particularly personal

:30:50. > :30:54.independent payments. The government has insisted

:30:55. > :30:57.that the welfare system is a strong They seem to have an issue over

:30:58. > :31:03.disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence

:31:04. > :31:05.payments by ?4 billion, they then reversed that cut

:31:06. > :31:09.after Iain Duncan Smith resigned a few days later,

:31:10. > :31:12.and There is a deficit built into

:31:13. > :31:21.the Budget already because of that. They see this as a

:31:22. > :31:23.further opportunity to I think they just

:31:24. > :31:27.need to think about the kind of society we are,

:31:28. > :31:42.the way we support people. A rescue operation is under way

:31:43. > :31:45.after an avalanche struck a ski resort in the French Alps. Several

:31:46. > :31:49.people are said to be buried under the snow after it had to resort at

:31:50. > :31:51.Tignes. Emergency services are said to be on the scene.

:31:52. > :31:54.Facebook's procedures for vetting content on its pages have been

:31:55. > :31:56.strongly criticised after a BBC investigation found it was failing

:31:57. > :31:58.to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children.

:31:59. > :32:00.The chair of the commons media committee Damian Collins has said

:32:01. > :32:02.it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness

:32:03. > :32:06.Facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal

:32:07. > :32:14.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:32:15. > :32:25.We will, thank you. Many of you getting in touch about the interview

:32:26. > :32:28.with parents Chris Gard and Connie Yates about their little boy

:32:29. > :32:35.Charlie, they are in accord bottle with doctors that's -- in a court

:32:36. > :32:37.battle with doctors at Great Ormond Street who believe Charlie's

:32:38. > :32:41.life-support should be turned off because he is in pain and

:32:42. > :32:46.deteriorating. His parents believe there is the chance for treatment in

:32:47. > :32:50.America, a doctor has agreed to treat him. A judge will make the

:32:51. > :32:53.final decision in this court battle. Jim says these parents are against a

:32:54. > :32:57.system that has already made a decision and there is no longer

:32:58. > :33:01.looking, therefore Charlie needs an advocate prepared to give them every

:33:02. > :33:06.chance. The NHS or anyone else does not have the right to take away the

:33:07. > :33:08.parents' last hope of treating Basson.

:33:09. > :33:15.Audrey says this is heartbreaking, if there is a chance of help from

:33:16. > :33:16.the USA for Charlie it comes down to money, someone must be able to

:33:17. > :33:21.assist. I really, really wish them well. Ron

:33:22. > :33:26.says a very sad case but how long should the NHS, in effect the

:33:27. > :33:30.taxpayer, pay for a baby being kept in hospital? As soon as they go to

:33:31. > :33:33.the USA, they will have to pay for everything. Run, that is why they

:33:34. > :33:34.are crowdfunding. Well, Chelsea are looking pretty

:33:35. > :33:37.unstoppable in the race They survived the test

:33:38. > :33:40.of a London derby last night. Eden Hazard and Diego Costa

:33:41. > :33:42.goals helping them to The are now 10 points clear

:33:43. > :33:46.with 11 games left. Arsenal will need to make

:33:47. > :33:48.Champions League history tonight if they are to overhaul

:33:49. > :33:50.a four-goal first-leg deficit when they line up

:33:51. > :33:52.against Bayern Munich The winners will reach

:33:53. > :34:04.the last eight. India plasma cricketers have

:34:05. > :34:08.labelled the four match Test series at one all against Australia after

:34:09. > :34:09.the tourists collapsed to 112 all out.

:34:10. > :34:12.And five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan beat Liang Wenbo

:34:13. > :34:14.five frames to one to reach the second round at the Players

:34:15. > :34:21.That's all the sport for this morning, I will be back with more

:34:22. > :34:38.after 11am in newsroom live. A British backpacker was allegedly

:34:39. > :34:41.beaten, raped and attacked after a two month-long ordeal in Australia.

:34:42. > :34:44.Queensland police say that she is traumatised.

:34:45. > :34:46.Police say the female person did have injuries consisting

:34:47. > :34:48.of facial fractures, scratches, and abrasions to her neck

:34:49. > :34:50.area, and other bruising consistent with the offences

:34:51. > :34:54.From that, we have subsequently charged that male person

:34:55. > :35:01.They are very serious offences and would have been quite traumatic

:35:02. > :35:20.Hywel Griffith is in Sydney. What is the latest on how this happened? The

:35:21. > :35:24.police are still trying to piece together exactly what this woman

:35:25. > :35:28.went through. We know she met the man right at the start of the deer

:35:29. > :35:35.up in Cairns in northern Queensland and very soon the violence followed.

:35:36. > :35:38.We understand she was subjected to rapes and assaults. The timeline

:35:39. > :35:43.follows that at some point in the next few weeks they went on a road

:35:44. > :35:52.trip, travelling in a way to by four vehicle that was eventually flagged

:35:53. > :35:59.down on Sunday the 5th of March -- in a white 4x4 vehicle. Staff in the

:36:00. > :36:01.petrol station say she was disoriented and visibly bruised,

:36:02. > :36:05.because she left without paying the police than flagged down the

:36:06. > :36:08.vehicle, but when they spoke to her they could tell there was something

:36:09. > :36:12.deeply wrong, that is when she started to tell them that she had

:36:13. > :36:19.been the victim of abuse, held against her will, police say when

:36:20. > :36:23.they looked in the boot of the 4x4 they found the 22-year-old man they

:36:24. > :36:29.have now arrested and charged coming he was hiding. The woman is

:36:30. > :36:32.receiving hospital treatment, severe physical injuries, traumatic

:36:33. > :36:36.emotional injuries. They say she has been very brave so far in giving

:36:37. > :36:41.evidence and has also been able to speak to her family back home. It is

:36:42. > :36:45.understood she will have to stay here maybe for some time yet in

:36:46. > :36:49.order to give more evidence, it is unclear when she made be able to

:36:50. > :36:52.return back to the UK. Thank you, Hywel Griffith.

:36:53. > :36:54.A BBC investigation has found that Facebook's content moderation system

:36:55. > :36:57.is failing to remove pornography and obscene content from its pages.

:36:58. > :37:00.Our reporter Angus Crawford reported 100 images that appeared to breach

:37:01. > :37:02.the company's own rules on nudity and obscenity using it's

:37:03. > :37:09.He's with us now and I should say we will get into some

:37:10. > :37:21.Tell us what you found on Facebook? Before we start you are right,

:37:22. > :37:24.excuses for some of the language and content you are about to hear and

:37:25. > :37:28.see, if you are watching with a young family you might want to turn

:37:29. > :37:32.off the television, turn it down or do something else for the moment, or

:37:33. > :37:35.put them in another room. Last year we were tipped off that there were

:37:36. > :37:41.secret groups on Facebook being used by members of sexual interest in

:37:42. > :37:47.children to swap obscene images. Touch men with a sexual interest in

:37:48. > :37:52.children. We did the report, it created headlines and concerned

:37:53. > :37:56.Facebook. Facebook said it had improved regulations, particularly

:37:57. > :38:00.on the sexualisation of children. We decided to test them against their

:38:01. > :38:04.own standards, not ours or criminal standards, their own standards

:38:05. > :38:10.against nudity and sexualised content. We reported something like

:38:11. > :38:16.100 images and posts, 82 stayed up. I will tell you about some of the

:38:17. > :38:21.groups that we found, the content is unpleasant. One was called Hot Sexy

:38:22. > :38:27.Schoolgirls, containing images you can imagine of real children in

:38:28. > :38:32.school uniform, some stolen. We found pages with pictures of very

:38:33. > :38:36.young, 11 and 12-year-old girls in very, very flimsy clothing saying

:38:37. > :38:39.appalling comments below them by people looking at them. We found a

:38:40. > :38:47.group openly talking about exchanging what they called CP,

:38:48. > :38:51.child pornography. And very unpleasantly, a group that is still

:38:52. > :39:00.up for men that like to mass debate over images and show those results

:39:01. > :39:05.online. That is still up. Many of the images we thought were against

:39:06. > :39:06.Facebook's own standards, they said did not breach community standards.

:39:07. > :39:32.Let's have a look. The BBC exposes the secret groups

:39:33. > :39:40.set up by paedophiles. It was February last year

:39:41. > :39:42.when we broadcast our investigation We found men with a sexual

:39:43. > :39:48.interest in children Many of the pictures in these groups

:39:49. > :39:54.are obscene, indecent. But what's as disturbing is that

:39:55. > :39:58.many other pictures appear to have been stolen and disgusting comments

:39:59. > :40:00.have been written about We told the police about one

:40:01. > :40:10.particular group, a man was arrested A year on, we wanted to find out

:40:11. > :40:21.if the situation had improved. Using Facebook's own system,

:40:22. > :40:28.we reported 100 images or posts we felt breached

:40:29. > :40:36.Facebook's own guidelines. Facebook said those that

:40:37. > :40:43.remained didn't breach I've been very disturbed

:40:44. > :41:33.by what I've seen, very disappointed that one year on we are still seeing

:41:34. > :41:36.images that are very sexualised, totally, in my view, unacceptable,

:41:37. > :41:43.to be online on the Facebook page. The moderation clearly

:41:44. > :41:49.isn't being effective. I would question whether humans

:41:50. > :41:51.are actually moderating this Also, I think it's

:41:52. > :41:56.failing to take account Facebook has a policy that bars sex

:41:57. > :42:05.offenders from having an account. But we found and reported

:42:06. > :42:07.the profiles of five We even reported a group where users

:42:08. > :42:18.were openly swapping what they called child

:42:19. > :42:28.pornography, or CP. If you reported that,

:42:29. > :43:06.if it was looked at correctly, there can only be a decision that

:43:07. > :43:11.that it should be taken down. We wanted to ask Facebook about

:43:12. > :43:14.their content moderation system, At their request, we sent them

:43:15. > :43:21.a copy of the image and asked them That's when Facebook

:43:22. > :43:29.reported us to the police. That's extraordinary

:43:30. > :43:31.because you're helping them, you're trying to help them clean

:43:32. > :43:34.up their network from material When you give them examples

:43:35. > :43:39.that they themselves have asked for to back up your complaint,

:43:40. > :43:42.for them to act by referring you to the police, referring

:43:43. > :43:45.the BBC to the police, rather than acting upon

:43:46. > :43:47.the information they've been given, that is extraordinary and shows

:43:48. > :43:49.a complete lack of understanding of the issues that were presented

:43:50. > :43:52.to the people of Facebook, whoever dealt with this complaint,

:43:53. > :43:58.and it's concerning. Anyone who questions industry

:43:59. > :44:00.members and indeed Facebook comes under attack and you're seen in some

:44:01. > :44:03.way to be questioning modernity The fact that Facebook sent images

:44:04. > :44:12.that have been sent to them and appear on their site

:44:13. > :44:15.for their response about how Facebook deals with inappropriate

:44:16. > :44:21.images on the Facebook site, the fact that they sent those

:44:22. > :44:24.on to the police seemed to me to be extraordinary and one can only

:44:25. > :44:27.assume that the Facebook executives were unwilling or certainly

:44:28. > :44:29.reluctant to engage in an interview or a debate about why these images

:44:30. > :44:53.are available on Facebook's site. And, right now, groups

:44:54. > :44:55.with inappropriate images and comments about children can

:44:56. > :45:32.still be found. There are a number of things really

:45:33. > :45:37.astonishing but, oh, my gosh, they reported you to the police? As you

:45:38. > :45:41.can imagine, we were a little surprised. Understatement of the

:45:42. > :45:46.Iraq formation not you need to understand that this was content on

:45:47. > :45:49.Facebook, first of all, that we reported to Facebook's own

:45:50. > :45:54.moderation system. The moderators said it is fine, it can stay up.

:45:55. > :46:00.Facebooked, for the purposes of being informed before we interviewed

:46:01. > :46:03.them, we were meant to last week, they said you need to send as

:46:04. > :46:06.examples of the kind of content you are talking about, so at their

:46:07. > :46:10.request we sent a material that was on Facebook that had been approved

:46:11. > :46:14.by them moderator is. There was total silence, and then we found out

:46:15. > :46:18.they reported as to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection

:46:19. > :46:25.Centre, the commander in the National Crime Agency.

:46:26. > :46:33.We asked Facebook to speak to us about this. They gave us a

:46:34. > :46:37.statement. He said, "We have reviewed the content referred to us

:46:38. > :46:41.and have removed all items that were illegal or against our standards.

:46:42. > :46:44.This content is no longer on our platform. We take this matter

:46:45. > :46:48.extremely seriously. And we continue to improve our reporting and take

:46:49. > :46:51.down measures. Facebook has been recognised as one of the best

:46:52. > :46:56.platforms on the internet for child safety. It is against the law for

:46:57. > :47:01.anyone to distribute images of child exploitation when the BBC sent us

:47:02. > :47:07.such imablings we followed our industry standard practise and

:47:08. > :47:09.reported them to CEOP. This matter is now in the hands of the

:47:10. > :47:16.authorities." Melissa Price who twice

:47:17. > :47:18.had photos she put up She is recovering from breast

:47:19. > :47:24.cancer and posted photos Vicki Shotbolt is the chief

:47:25. > :47:29.executive of an organisation called Parent Zone that advises parents how

:47:30. > :47:31.to tackle exposure to Dr Linda Papadopoulos

:47:32. > :47:35.is a child psychologist and ambassador for the charity,

:47:36. > :47:42.Internet Matters. Welcome all of you. First of all

:47:43. > :47:48.your reaction to what Facebook did to Angus effectively? I think it is

:47:49. > :47:52.disgusting. I think what you have done was appropriate and I applaud

:47:53. > :47:57.you for doing that, but for Facebook to take that stance and for you to

:47:58. > :48:02.be reported for doing that is ridiculous. Can I just say, people

:48:03. > :48:07.who are watching around the country say, "I am deleting my Facebook

:48:08. > :48:12.account now." I have decided to deactivate my account. Laurie says,

:48:13. > :48:18."This sickens me. Mike says, "I don't think anything that I have

:48:19. > :48:23.reported has been removed. Cat lover says so it goes on. Another viewer

:48:24. > :48:28.says, "This is disgusting." Linda? It is a sign of the fact that we

:48:29. > :48:31.don't know how to handle these. We don't have the measuresment we know

:48:32. > :48:37.social media has been around a long time. One of the most interesting

:48:38. > :48:40.stats, the majority of online child porn is produced by children

:48:41. > :48:43.themselves through sectioning. I have been involved in cases where

:48:44. > :48:47.boyfriend and girlfriend have done this, where they break up and the

:48:48. > :48:51.boy is then, you know, made, is put on a register because he is a couple

:48:52. > :48:55.of years older. I think we really need to look at the measures. Yours

:48:56. > :49:00.shocks me just as much. I didn't realise what happened to you. It is

:49:01. > :49:03.the fact that we are learning as we go. I think as mental health

:49:04. > :49:08.specialists so I have been, you know, working in this area for

:49:09. > :49:12.years, but we have kids now who are in effect self-harming online,

:49:13. > :49:17.bullying themselves online. There is no textbooks how to deal with this.

:49:18. > :49:23.We are learning as we go and this is another case of that. Vicky, how do

:49:24. > :49:26.you react that some of the images are up because they didn't breach

:49:27. > :49:29.Facebook's standards and the fact they called the police on the BBC?

:49:30. > :49:32.It is extraordinary. I think one of the real difficulties for parents

:49:33. > :49:36.with these services is that we rely on them to do the right thing. We

:49:37. > :49:39.trust that when we report, they're going to respond and they're going

:49:40. > :49:42.to respond appropriately and clearly, they don't and that's one

:49:43. > :49:45.of the really big problems, for not just parents, but for people using

:49:46. > :49:48.the platforms that we have no transparency. We don't know how they

:49:49. > :49:52.respond to reports and we can't test that out. You have tested it and

:49:53. > :49:56.clearly, their response was, I don't know what the word is to use, was it

:49:57. > :50:00.bizarre, is it deliberately confusing the issue to say we've

:50:01. > :50:06.just reported the BBC to the police? It is very hard to know what was

:50:07. > :50:09.going through Facebook's mind. To point out, we weren't judging them

:50:10. > :50:13.by our standards or a criminal standard, we were judging them by

:50:14. > :50:17.their own standards on their own advice pages they say they have

:50:18. > :50:21.effectively a zero tolerance for nudity and sexualised content. So we

:50:22. > :50:24.reported those on the basis that it was sexualised content of children.

:50:25. > :50:28.We have been told by Facebook that they have tightened that up, but our

:50:29. > :50:33.results appear to show that there maybe holes within that system.

:50:34. > :50:39.Melissa what standards did you breach by posting pictures of your

:50:40. > :50:44.breasts post surgery? They said, I believe, it was because there was

:50:45. > :50:48.nipples showing. Right. I don't have any nipples, I have tattoos. Right.

:50:49. > :50:53.Because you had breast cancer. Because I had breast cancer surgery.

:50:54. > :50:59.Yeah, they said I broke those guidelines. Linda, a brief word

:51:00. > :51:03.about, young people in particular, children, in particular, who stumble

:51:04. > :51:10.across the kind of sexualised images online on Facebook? . What impact

:51:11. > :51:15.can it have on them? There is things that you are ready to see when you

:51:16. > :51:20.are emotionally and cognitively developed. We had the watershed on

:51:21. > :51:25.TV. We still have it on games, it is a 12 or a 15 there, doesn't exist

:51:26. > :51:30.online. As a consequence parents need to be aware. So whether it is

:51:31. > :51:32.ensuring that, you know, and they really need to educate they will

:51:33. > :51:36.selves about what kids are doing. So I have got parents that will say, "I

:51:37. > :51:40.think they're on this platform and that, but I'm not sure how it works.

:51:41. > :51:44.Learn how it works. Understand how it works because unless you do, you

:51:45. > :51:48.can't speak to them correctly and we know when a child is confronted with

:51:49. > :51:55.images they don't understand it will affect the way they view their own

:51:56. > :52:00.sexuality and their own boundaries? If this is normalised then is it OK

:52:01. > :52:03.if I do it? The other big thing if they stumble on something in the way

:52:04. > :52:07.that someone who is trying to abuse a child will say, "Don't say

:52:08. > :52:11.anything." They feel guilty so I've stumbled on it. If I feel I can't

:52:12. > :52:14.talk to my mum or dad, if I can't have my parents there, it becomes

:52:15. > :52:18.worsemed be open with your kids and encourage them to speak about it.

:52:19. > :52:21.Ensure that you normalise the idea, you know what, you probably will be

:52:22. > :52:25.confronted with something. It is in the region of 75% of ten to

:52:26. > :52:32.12-year-olds are on social media. By the time they're 13, that's 96%. So

:52:33. > :52:38.the notion that we can somehow police it, it needs to be at a

:52:39. > :52:42.parental level and at an ISP level and a Government level.

:52:43. > :52:59.A number of skiers are feared to be buried under snow following an

:53:00. > :53:03.avalanche at Tignes. Lucy Williamson is in Paris. This

:53:04. > :53:07.avalanche seem to have taken the resort by surprise. You've got

:53:08. > :53:12.pictures from a webcam showing the scene. We're told there is a large

:53:13. > :53:16.rescue operation going with mountain police and even local ski companies

:53:17. > :53:20.getting involved, sending people out with probes to look for those buried

:53:21. > :53:24.under the snow. We are not sure how many people may have been swept away

:53:25. > :53:27.by the avalanche, but some witnesses say they saw a lot of people that

:53:28. > :53:31.they thought might have been caught up in it. So there is a lot of

:53:32. > :53:35.concern to try and dig them out. It is very difficult for helicopters to

:53:36. > :53:39.get there we're told because the visibility is so bad. The conditions

:53:40. > :53:43.have been quite severe. There has been a lot of snow in recent days

:53:44. > :53:48.and in fact one sports journalist, who was at the resort, this morning,

:53:49. > :53:53.is telling French Television that the mountain guides were out in

:53:54. > :53:55.force this morning setting off preventative avalanches to try and

:53:56. > :54:00.reduce that threat. We know that some of the slopes in the area have

:54:01. > :54:05.been closed. This one, apparently was still open. It is seen as an

:54:06. > :54:09.easy slope, a family slope, so obviously they thought the risk was

:54:10. > :54:13.not that great on this slope. Sadly, it seems they were wrong, but we'll

:54:14. > :54:17.try and bring you some more information in the coming hours once

:54:18. > :54:22.things become clearer. More on BBC News throughout the day.

:54:23. > :54:24.Next this morning, could young offenders from black or ethnic

:54:25. > :54:26.minorities be given lighter punishments under new

:54:27. > :54:29.Judges are being told to consider the "discrimination and negative

:54:30. > :54:32.experience of authority" they may have experienced and they should

:54:33. > :54:34.take into account "particular factors which arise" in the case

:54:35. > :54:42.of black and ethnic minority children and young people.

:54:43. > :54:44.With us in the studio is Nathaniel Peat, founder

:54:45. > :54:47.the Safety Box charity which works with young people who're at risk

:54:48. > :54:49.of offending and those who have been in young offender institutions,

:54:50. > :54:52.Ali Wigzell, chair of the Standing Committee for Youth Justice,

:54:53. > :54:54.an alliance of organisations campaigning for a better youth

:54:55. > :54:56.justice system, and Noel Williams, a Youth Justice Consultant

:54:57. > :55:02.Hello all of you. I haven't given you loads of time. But this is a

:55:03. > :55:05.really important issue. Do you think it is right that somebody's

:55:06. > :55:08.background including whether they are from a black and minority ethnic

:55:09. > :55:12.background should be taken into account when a judge is looking at

:55:13. > :55:15.possibly mitigating factors before sentencing? Yeah, absolutely. If you

:55:16. > :55:20.can get the background around a young person it helps to beat a lot

:55:21. > :55:24.of perceptions. Perceptions are held about young black men being in gangs

:55:25. > :55:26.already. Many of them don't, are not involved in gangs and you have got

:55:27. > :55:30.to measure that against the background. When you can get a

:55:31. > :55:33.bigger picture it helps you to have a better understanding of the type

:55:34. > :55:38.of sentence which you can actually give. So definitely, yes. Noel, does

:55:39. > :55:41.that mean someone carrying a knife from a well-to-do family will get a

:55:42. > :55:47.tougher sentence than someone carrying a knife from a black or

:55:48. > :55:51.minority background? Well, I don't know. But what people need to

:55:52. > :55:54.understand there has been a high proportion of discrimination against

:55:55. > :55:57.young black people in that community and it has been known, the Prime

:55:58. > :56:01.Minister has spoke about it, but what I think we shouldn't lose is,

:56:02. > :56:05.of course, if somebody is carrying a knife they deserve to be punished as

:56:06. > :56:09.much as somebody else does. I'm sure the judge can make a good judgement,

:56:10. > :56:12.but it would be fantastic to know that you have got a bit of

:56:13. > :56:16.background before you make that judgement on how to proceed. If

:56:17. > :56:22.somebody is carrying a knife whether you're black or from a middle-class

:56:23. > :56:25.background or an Asian young man, that viable punishment should be

:56:26. > :56:30.fair across-the-board. The guidelines say, you know, there

:56:31. > :56:37.should be the correct punishment regarding the severity of the

:56:38. > :56:41.offence. What's your view, Ali? We would agree with what has been said.

:56:42. > :56:48.It is about the seriousness of the crime. And that dictates what the

:56:49. > :56:53.sentence should be. If we are to prevent teenagers who commit crime

:56:54. > :57:00.from re-offending... Which is what they say this is about? We need to

:57:01. > :57:03.understand what their fwak ground and what and why it happened if we

:57:04. > :57:06.are to put a sentence in place to stop it from happening again. The

:57:07. > :57:11.new guidelines talk about whether that young person has been exposed

:57:12. > :57:18.to pornography or abuse or alcohol abuse or drug abuse? Often at times

:57:19. > :57:22.you're looking at trauma and putting them into an institution is not

:57:23. > :57:26.going to help them. If they're locked up for 23 hours, the young

:57:27. > :57:29.person needs support for the mental state of the mind. It is mindsets

:57:30. > :57:33.and when you can get into the minute of a young person and you can show

:57:34. > :57:39.that that trust is there, many of the issues that are found, you've

:57:40. > :57:45.got 27% which come through arrest, but you've got 50%, the amount that

:57:46. > :57:49.go into prison is more than the amount that are arrested. There is

:57:50. > :57:52.some type of prnlg dissome type of thing that's happening in the

:57:53. > :57:56.courts. I think this step, this is a step in the right direction to help

:57:57. > :57:59.that. Yes, and children in care as well. They want people to look at,

:58:00. > :58:06.they want to take into account the fact that somebody might have been

:58:07. > :58:09.in care. I think we have to take that into account. If you have been

:58:10. > :58:14.in care and you happen to be committing a crime under the age of

:58:15. > :58:17.18, you will be considered as a child, the state are your parents

:58:18. > :58:21.and therefore we need to look at that because that's going to come

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