17/03/2017

:00:08. > :00:09.Hello, it's Friday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

:00:10. > :00:13.Britain's top-secret surveillance agency

:00:14. > :00:16.says the idea that it spied on Donald Trump is nonsense.

:00:17. > :00:19.Sean Spicer, the president's press secretary, has backed claims

:00:20. > :00:25.that GCHQ was involved in tapping phones for Barack Obama.

:00:26. > :00:27.He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA,

:00:28. > :00:30.and he didn't use the Department of Justice.

:00:31. > :00:38.It's the initials for the British intelligence spying agency.

:00:39. > :00:40.So simply, by having two people saying to them,

:00:41. > :00:41.the President needs transcripts of conversations involving

:00:42. > :00:46.Candidate Trump, conversations involving President-elect Trump,

:00:47. > :00:50.he's able to get it, and there's no American fingerprints on it.

:00:51. > :00:53.The Government's too scared to hold a second independence

:00:54. > :01:00.That's what the deputy leader of the SNP Angus Robertson

:01:01. > :01:02.will tell his party's spring conference in Aberdeen later.

:01:03. > :01:05.We'll have the latest on the calls for a second vote on independence.

:01:06. > :01:08.Families with disabled children say they are not getting the help

:01:09. > :01:11.they need to care for them with some saying they get no help at all,

:01:12. > :01:24.and many relying more and more on friends and family.

:01:25. > :01:27.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:28. > :01:31.Lots to talk to us about today, including if you are a family

:01:32. > :01:33.caring for a disabled child, tell us about your experiences,

:01:34. > :01:37.do you get the help and support you need?

:01:38. > :01:40.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning,

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:01:44. > :01:49.Our top story today - Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ,

:01:50. > :01:52.has described claims that it was asked by President Obama

:01:53. > :01:59.to spy on Donald Trump as "utterly ridiculous".

:02:00. > :02:01.It's unusual for the agency to issue public statements, but it says

:02:02. > :02:04.that claims first made on Fox News and repeated by the White House

:02:05. > :02:06.press secretary are "nonsense" and "should be ignored".

:02:07. > :02:14.Our news correspondent Richard Lister is with me.

:02:15. > :02:22.Richard, tell us first of all how it came about that GCHQ was in the

:02:23. > :02:25.frame. I suppose we should go back to the original allegation which

:02:26. > :02:29.came from President Trump, who said on the 4th of March, terrible, just

:02:30. > :02:34.found out Obama had my wires tapped in Trump Tower just before the

:02:35. > :02:40.victory, nothing found,, so immediately, of course, the White

:02:41. > :02:44.House press corps were trying to get to the bottom of this, what evidence

:02:45. > :02:47.was there of any tapping also bailing of the campaign? This was

:02:48. > :02:53.never really and said by the White House, who pointed to various media

:02:54. > :02:57.sources but gave no specifics. -- answered. The Senate intelligence

:02:58. > :03:01.committee said there was no evidence of surveillance, and that was put

:03:02. > :03:06.back to Sean Spicer, and he said the president stood by those claims

:03:07. > :03:20.because, he said, it was reported on Fox News by a commentator, and the

:03:21. > :03:23.report says, sources have told Fox News that President Obama probably

:03:24. > :03:30.used a foreign intelligence service called GCHQ, so that is where GCHQ

:03:31. > :03:34.comes into the frame. They have said this is categorically untrue. They

:03:35. > :03:38.almost never comment about things, they tend to neither confirm nor

:03:39. > :03:43.deny, and really they do not issue statements as a matter of policy,

:03:44. > :03:46.but in this case it is quite categorical, saying, recent

:03:47. > :03:52.allegations made by Andrew Napolitano by GCHQ being asked to

:03:53. > :03:56.conduct wiretapping against the then President-elect nonsense, and it

:03:57. > :03:57.goes on to say they are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.

:03:58. > :03:59.Thank you, Richard. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

:04:00. > :04:02.Newsroom with a summary The SNP will today accuse

:04:03. > :04:06.the Government of being too scared to allow a second

:04:07. > :04:07.independence referendum. Deputy leader Angus Robertson

:04:08. > :04:11.will open his party's spring conference by saying

:04:12. > :04:14.the Conservatives have a "desperate desire"

:04:15. > :04:19.to prevent anyone rejecting Brexit. But Theresa May will tell

:04:20. > :04:22.her own party conference in Cardiff that she'll fight to keep what

:04:23. > :04:26.she calls the "precious union". Our Scotland correspondent

:04:27. > :04:33.Lorna Gordon reports. Two leaders, both talking

:04:34. > :04:34.tough in the battle over Scotland's future -

:04:35. > :04:37.Theresa May rejecting a referendum on independence before

:04:38. > :04:40.the UK leaves the EU, Nicola Sturgeon determined

:04:41. > :04:46.it should go ahead, I think it would be completely

:04:47. > :04:53.unacceptable and outrageous, and almost anti-democratic,

:04:54. > :04:56.for a Conservative government with one MP in Scotland to seek

:04:57. > :05:00.to block the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament,

:05:01. > :05:04.and stand in the way of the Scottish people having the right

:05:05. > :05:07.to choose our own future. Ms Sturgeon will use her party

:05:08. > :05:10.conference in Aberdeen to that Downing Street's position

:05:11. > :05:15.is unsustainable. 2,000 party members who will pack

:05:16. > :05:20.this hall later will likely agree. Elsewhere in the Granite City,

:05:21. > :05:24.the views were mixed. Maybe sometime in the future,

:05:25. > :05:35.we can vote on it. Is it next year they're

:05:36. > :05:38.proposing, I don't think... for me, that's not something

:05:39. > :05:40.I'd like to vote on. Although Theresa May says

:05:41. > :05:43.wait until after a deal, the deal is about being taken

:05:44. > :05:45.out of Europe. So I think Nicola Sturgeon has

:05:46. > :05:47.a right to hold that, and I don't think Theresa May has

:05:48. > :05:50.any right to stop her. It has been two years

:05:51. > :05:53.since the people of Scotland first voted on whether to leave

:05:54. > :05:55.the United Kingdom. Both sides are instead focused

:05:56. > :05:59.on trying to persuade people in Scotland that they are right

:06:00. > :06:02.about the timing of any possible Hungary is pressing ahead

:06:03. > :06:11.with the construction of two container camps for asylum-seekers

:06:12. > :06:14.on its border with Serbia, despite a chorus of

:06:15. > :06:18.international criticism. By the end of March,

:06:19. > :06:21.the government plans to keep including families and

:06:22. > :06:26.unaccompanied teenagers. When Hungary says it's taking tough

:06:27. > :06:36.action to stop migration, It is holding these migrants

:06:37. > :06:41.at a detention centre We are allowed to speak

:06:42. > :06:46.to them from the street. We are not terrorists,

:06:47. > :06:48.we are not criminals. This is not a camp, it is a prison.

:06:49. > :07:02.They are treating us like animals. But Hungary sees

:07:03. > :07:05.no reason to back down. This month, the Prime Minister

:07:06. > :07:12.took charge of a new group A new law now gives

:07:13. > :07:16.the government even more power Hungary plans to hold them

:07:17. > :07:22.all in these containers it is setting up next

:07:23. > :07:28.to the border with Serbia. "These are civilised places to live

:07:29. > :07:33.in," the contractor says. "European workers certainly

:07:34. > :07:36.find them acceptable." Hungary says that the migrants

:07:37. > :07:39.to be held in these containers so long as they head in just

:07:40. > :07:48.a single direction - south. They will be free to walk,

:07:49. > :07:52.just a few metres down here and they would cross back

:07:53. > :07:56.into Serbia, away from the EU, These young migrants are stuck

:07:57. > :08:05.on the Serbian side. The rest of the European Union

:08:06. > :08:09.may publicly criticise the actions of Hungary,

:08:10. > :08:11.but quietly Europe may put up with anything that

:08:12. > :08:20.keeps migrants back. The US Secretary of State

:08:21. > :08:23.has said military action against nuclear armed North Korea

:08:24. > :08:25.was an "option on the table". Rex Tillerson made the remarks

:08:26. > :08:30.during a visit to the demilitarised Is said American policy of strategic

:08:31. > :08:43.patience had ended. The UK's biggest ever fine

:08:44. > :08:45.for river pollution The company's admitted

:08:46. > :08:50.to breaching more than a dozen Stretches of water in Oxfordshire

:08:51. > :08:53.and Buckinghamshire were heavily Every secondary school in England

:08:54. > :08:59.could lose the equivalent according to an

:09:00. > :09:07.education think-tank. The Education Policy Institute says

:09:08. > :09:09.schools will see cuts averaging nearly ?300,000

:09:10. > :09:11.over the next three years. But the Government says funding

:09:12. > :09:15.is at an all-time high Parents and pupils in Nantwich,

:09:16. > :09:24.Cheshire, protesting last month about a lack of funding for their

:09:25. > :09:31.schools compared to other areas. The Government has plans

:09:32. > :09:34.to redistribute funds - it says more fairly -

:09:35. > :09:38.and it says at ?40 billion this year, school funding in England

:09:39. > :09:41.is the highest it has ever been. Despite this, today's report

:09:42. > :09:44.confirms no school will avoid a real-terms cut in budget

:09:45. > :09:50.over the next few years. Schools are facing

:09:51. > :09:54.significant cost pressures. The cost of running the school

:09:55. > :09:58.increases, rising number of students and from local authorities

:09:59. > :10:01.having less money to spend. So whilst the distribution

:10:02. > :10:03.of money might be fairer, there is simply not enough money

:10:04. > :10:05.in the system The Education Policy Institute

:10:06. > :10:11.estimates that by 2020 the average real-terms loss of funding

:10:12. > :10:17.per primary school will be ?74,000, and per secondary school

:10:18. > :10:22.the average cut will be ?291,000. That equates to every primary school

:10:23. > :10:25.losing two teachers, and every secondary school

:10:26. > :10:31.losing six. The Government says

:10:32. > :10:33.it does recognise the pressures schools in England are facing

:10:34. > :10:36.and is helping them to make savings. The Government has placed

:10:37. > :10:45.a temporary restriction on its advertising on YouTube

:10:46. > :10:48.and asked its owner, Google, to explain why adverts are appearing

:10:49. > :10:54.alongside extremist material. The move follows an investigation

:10:55. > :10:56.by the Times which said that rape apologists,

:10:57. > :10:58.anti-Semites and banned hate preachers were receiving payouts

:10:59. > :11:00.from autoplaying government adverts The paper says a number

:11:01. > :11:07.of global brands have also pulled their advertising

:11:08. > :11:09.from the internet giant Indonesia has summoned the British

:11:10. > :11:12.ambassador after a ship operated by a British company

:11:13. > :11:15.ran aground on a coral reef, On 4th March, the 4,290-ton

:11:16. > :11:26.Caledonian Sky hit reefs off an island in Raja Ampat,

:11:27. > :11:29.Papua province, at low tide. The region is famous

:11:30. > :11:32.for its biodiversity and the boat was taking tourists

:11:33. > :11:35.on a bird-watching expedition. The incident has caused outrage

:11:36. > :11:37.in Indonesia and local officials have suggested the captain

:11:38. > :11:43.could face criminal charges. Haddock caught in the west

:11:44. > :11:46.of Scotland and in the North Sea has been taken off a list

:11:47. > :11:48.of sustainable fish to eat. The Marine Conservation Society says

:11:49. > :11:52.stocks declined last year and action is needed to boost

:11:53. > :11:54.the number of breeding-age fish. But the decision's been criticised

:11:55. > :12:01.by Scottish fishermen. got a nasty surprise

:12:02. > :12:07.when their train pulled in. Those waiting at Rhinecliff station

:12:08. > :12:12.were caught in a wave of snow as their train arrived

:12:13. > :12:13.at the station, engulfing those closest

:12:14. > :12:15.to the tracks. The national rail operator Amtrak

:12:16. > :12:17.says no-one was hurt. A video of the episode

:12:18. > :12:34.has been viewed What a start to the morning commute!

:12:35. > :12:37.But is it from me for the moment, more and 9:30.

:12:38. > :12:41.I don't know who I feel more sorry for, the people who were hit by the

:12:42. > :12:45.snow or the driver, who must have got the fright of their life! Some

:12:46. > :12:50.comments from you on help for disabled families caring for

:12:51. > :12:54.disabled people, Anthony on Facebook, once again, the disabled

:12:55. > :12:58.are an easy target for cuts because we are the minority, the Government

:12:59. > :13:02.does not think we have a voice cloud enough to complain compare to other

:13:03. > :13:06.groups. Elisabeth on Facebook, it is true that we get little or no

:13:07. > :13:10.support, local authorities will never say yes to support if they can

:13:11. > :13:13.find a small, pathetic reason not to. Families' views are supposed to

:13:14. > :13:19.be represented but setting up forums has been dumped on families with

:13:20. > :13:22.special needs, and we are expected to do this full-time job for free on

:13:23. > :13:25.top of looking after our children and beating their many needs,

:13:26. > :13:29.frankly a joke. We are going to be talking to two mothers of disabled

:13:30. > :13:32.children in just a few moments, and also a coalition of charities

:13:33. > :13:37.getting together to highlight this particular issue of a lack of care,

:13:38. > :13:38.so do keep on getting in touch with your thoughts on that if you are

:13:39. > :13:42.affected. If you text, you will be charged

:13:43. > :13:50.at the standard network rate. We can catch up with the sport with

:13:51. > :13:54.Olly, and Manchester United through to the quarterfinals of the Europa

:13:55. > :13:59.League, but Jose Mourinho is still not happy. No, the Portuguese has

:14:00. > :14:03.been in a bit of a funk all week, remember they lost against Chelsea

:14:04. > :14:06.on Monday night in the FA Cup, had that gruelling overnight bus journey

:14:07. > :14:15.back to Manchester. They won last night at Manchester United, -- at

:14:16. > :14:17.Old Trafford, against Rostov, but Paul Pogba pulled up with a

:14:18. > :14:21.hamstring problem, the most expensive player in the world, not

:14:22. > :14:25.sure how long he will be out for, a couple of weeks at least. Juan Mata

:14:26. > :14:29.score the winner on the night, they go through 2-1 on aggregate. Sergio

:14:30. > :14:37.Romero had to pull off a couple of great saves late on, or they would

:14:38. > :14:40.have gone into extra time. United into the quarterfinal draw, but Jose

:14:41. > :14:43.Mourinho was talking about having enemies, we think he is talking

:14:44. > :14:47.about those who put the fixture lists together, not having done my

:14:48. > :14:50.cabbie about playing Monday, Thursday and Sunday. Roy Keane said

:14:51. > :14:55.he was talking rubbish, perhaps the club is too big for him, but they

:14:56. > :14:59.are into the draw, which is later. They won, but he is not happy, the

:15:00. > :15:07.quarterfinal draw being held in Lyon. The clubs to avoid include

:15:08. > :15:14.Leon, Ajax and Schalke. In the next hour, the Champions League draw is

:15:15. > :15:19.there as well, Leicester are the only British club in that, who will

:15:20. > :15:22.they want to avoid? All of them probably! Barcelona, Real Madrid,

:15:23. > :15:28.Bayern Munich in there as well, no dodging a really tricky tie for

:15:29. > :15:31.Leicester, they are 20-1 outsiders if you fancy a flutter, Joanna, not

:15:32. > :15:46.5000-1, but outsiders nonetheless. It is the final day of Cheltenham.

:15:47. > :15:48.St Patrick Steve spirit. Nowhere else today but Cheltenham.

:15:49. > :15:54.Beautiful weather. Brilliant week for the Irish

:15:55. > :15:57.so far, hoovered up in six The great trainer jockey combo

:15:58. > :16:01.of Willie Mullins and Ruby Walsh. Hadn't won any races

:16:02. > :16:04.on the first two days. They had four yesterday including

:16:05. > :16:11.the main race the Stayers Hurdle. Mullins and Walsh have

:16:12. > :16:19.the favourite Djakadam in the Gold Cup today but it's

:16:20. > :16:29.a wide open field with Colin Tizzard He works with his head on his chest

:16:30. > :16:36.and he rips up over and he gets to the top, here's a happy horse. He is

:16:37. > :16:40.not ready for anything else yet, here's a racehorse and he loves

:16:41. > :16:47.that. He has as good a chance as he will ever have. How do you tell a

:16:48. > :16:55.horse is happy? It probably does not have a long face! You have

:16:56. > :17:04.interesting pictures of a golf course.

:17:05. > :17:15.The Arnold Palmer Invitaional in Orlando.

:17:16. > :17:20.First round, all the top golfers are there, and Cody Gribble.

:17:21. > :17:35.Here he was wandering down the 6th fairway.

:17:36. > :17:43.And got rid of this saying "they're not going to catch you".

:17:44. > :17:46.Bringing up a disabled child is hard enough for any

:17:47. > :17:49.family, but almost seven out of ten families never get

:17:50. > :17:56.support caring for their disabled children, new research suggests.

:17:57. > :17:59.In a survey of more than 2,000 families carried out by

:18:00. > :18:04.the Disabled Children's Partnership, a coalition of leading children

:18:05. > :18:06.and disability charities, many parents said the only support

:18:07. > :18:08.they had was from friends and family.

:18:09. > :18:10.The Department for Education said it wanted to make sure families

:18:11. > :18:12.with disabled children felt supported so they are giving

:18:13. > :18:17.councils almost ?200 billion to spend on local services by 2020.

:18:18. > :18:23.Here this morning are: Amanda Batten, who is the Chair

:18:24. > :18:27.of the Disabled Children's Partnership, Tahira Crow,

:18:28. > :18:30.the mum of 15-year-old George who has a rare genetic

:18:31. > :18:35.She is receiving some social care but says it's not enough.

:18:36. > :18:38.And Hayley Smallmann, a mum who is also a full time carer

:18:39. > :18:42.She didn't have any support for about eight years, has some now,

:18:43. > :18:55.Tell us about your daughter's care needs and the pressure it puts on

:18:56. > :19:01.you. Holly has multiple illnesses, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, chronic

:19:02. > :19:07.lung disease, Jackie Austin the dependent, gastronomy dependent, she

:19:08. > :19:13.requires highly skilled medically trained people to care for her. 24

:19:14. > :19:18.hours a day seven days a week, which myself and my husband do, to keep

:19:19. > :19:29.her alive. Holly's prognosis is she is life limited. Each day brings a

:19:30. > :19:34.different challenge for us. You and your husband are full-time carers

:19:35. > :19:42.and you do a very highly skilled job in caring for Holly. Tells what to

:19:43. > :19:47.do. Yes. We have to be specially trained to react to everything that

:19:48. > :19:53.Holly does. We do the job of an intensive care team at home.

:19:54. > :19:58.Holly... I house is set up around Holly. We have machines to monitor

:19:59. > :20:02.our oxygen, heart rate, blood pressure, temperature, we are

:20:03. > :20:11.constantly monitoring her to keep her well. For years you had no help.

:20:12. > :20:17.You get some. What difference does it make? What amount of help you

:20:18. > :20:22.getting? For many years we had no help at all and we relied on my

:20:23. > :20:26.sister, otherwise I do not know what would've happened to us, but we

:20:27. > :20:31.reach the point where might we felt we reached crisis point ourselves

:20:32. > :20:37.when my husband and myself were physically and mentally exhausted

:20:38. > :20:43.through caring. We got something called direct payments which is some

:20:44. > :20:49.hours a week which enable us to employ somebody to assist us

:20:50. > :20:54.together Holly a better quality of life, which is all really wanted. We

:20:55. > :20:58.found that all the care we were doing at home was very intense and

:20:59. > :21:02.we needed to do this but we were missing out on loving life as well

:21:03. > :21:07.as a family and it had an impact on my other children as well. They are

:21:08. > :21:11.just as important as Holly and our family life was seriously

:21:12. > :21:19.compromised. We were not having any family time together. You have to

:21:20. > :21:26.match other children. Yes. It took a long time to get help. Did you not

:21:27. > :21:30.know you were entitled? It was not freely offered. When you have a

:21:31. > :21:37.child with very complex health needs it is a very fragmented system.

:21:38. > :21:42.There is not a very good signposting. People do not really

:21:43. > :21:48.give you the option of care. They expect I think a lot of parents to

:21:49. > :21:52.know what is out there. We felt, I felt I was juggling Holly's care,

:21:53. > :21:59.but as having to fight to justify why I needed the help I needed. For

:22:00. > :22:02.a parent to have to do that, to put their hands up and say I am

:22:03. > :22:06.struggling to look after my daughter, it is a very hard thing to

:22:07. > :22:10.have to admit for a mother to say that, and I do not think any family

:22:11. > :22:14.should have to be forced to say that. Initially what would have

:22:15. > :22:18.worked better as it services around us could recognise the need and

:22:19. > :22:23.early intervention would stop anything like that happening to

:22:24. > :22:27.other families. You have a 15-year-old child with special needs

:22:28. > :22:36.as well. Your son George. Tell us about him. George has a rare genetic

:22:37. > :22:42.syndrome that affects his pancreas and bone marrow. And skeletal. Those

:22:43. > :22:51.are the main characteristics of the syndrome. He also has autism of the

:22:52. > :22:57.severe end. He needs 24-hour care. Obviously meant my husband deliver

:22:58. > :23:08.that. With family support. And good friends network. Tell us about the

:23:09. > :23:14.pressures, we heard about Healy. You sort of just manage with the daily

:23:15. > :23:18.challenges that you face. Because George has quite a lot of health

:23:19. > :23:24.needs as well as the autism, it is trying to balance, because he has a

:23:25. > :23:32.lot of regular checkups for his health, and also helping him cope

:23:33. > :23:39.with daily life. He has so have medication, he needs constant

:23:40. > :23:45.supervision. You do get some help. It was a long time coming. Yes. We

:23:46. > :23:50.receive direct payments which we have done for about the night years

:23:51. > :23:53.so we employ somebody to take George out. Unfortunately he is at

:23:54. > :23:56.universities so he can only offer help during the summer and it has

:23:57. > :24:00.been really difficult to recruit somebody else because this is our

:24:01. > :24:08.son and we do not want just anybody, we want somebody who understands

:24:09. > :24:15.George's needs. We also fairly recently have received a short break

:24:16. > :24:18.facility through action for children. Unfortunately we only get

:24:19. > :24:26.one night a month which is not a lot. However George has coped

:24:27. > :24:30.extremely well with it. It has brought him on. His independence, he

:24:31. > :24:41.loves going. He is there with other peers. It broadens his spectrum of

:24:42. > :24:47.meeting new people. Our next battle is to ask for extra nights so George

:24:48. > :24:53.could perhaps be for a weekend and give Gary and I, my husband and I, a

:24:54. > :25:04.break from the caring. You work as well. I do. It must be relentless.

:25:05. > :25:11.It did, after having George, when he had his diagnosis, I went back to

:25:12. > :25:17.work, part-time, an opportunity for some career progression came up so I

:25:18. > :25:21.went full-time but unfortunately I could only sustain that for four

:25:22. > :25:25.months and realised with the pressures of all the different

:25:26. > :25:32.things George needed that I would have to retreat back to part-time so

:25:33. > :25:38.my husband works full-time. That impacted on our lives. Lots of

:25:39. > :25:43.people getting in touch. Lorraine says I have to match boys with

:25:44. > :25:49.autism and at the moment I have had a lot of support and the cuts are

:25:50. > :25:53.scary, life is hard enough without having to worry about being able to

:25:54. > :25:58.afford everyday needs especially if they get more complex. The passes

:25:59. > :26:02.physical disabilities and mental health issues often go hand in hand

:26:03. > :26:07.and sometimes you get help and one are not the other. Jane says most

:26:08. > :26:12.families with disabled children feel ground down by the system. And it

:26:13. > :26:16.says no disabled person gets the support they need, it is a postcode

:26:17. > :26:25.lottery, unless you're classed as they deemed nursing care your left

:26:26. > :26:28.to it. Hardly any help to access community or have supported remain

:26:29. > :26:32.independent in the Hall and almost impossible to get disabled

:26:33. > :26:38.facilities, grants for working families and the crisis was

:26:39. > :26:42.wheelchair services is miserable. Amanda, you're with the coalition

:26:43. > :26:46.representing the various disabled charities, this has hit a nerve,

:26:47. > :26:55.your researchers found a lot of people in the same bolt. Yes. We

:26:56. > :26:58.pulled over 6000 families and 69% older they had ever received any

:26:59. > :27:02.support in caring for their disabled child other than through family and

:27:03. > :27:07.friends. About a quarter said they did not receive support from their

:27:08. > :27:13.family either. Those families end up feeling very isolated. They have

:27:14. > :27:17.talked with a fantastic job they do and the pressures they face. And the

:27:18. > :27:23.difference some sort of fairly low-level even family support

:27:24. > :27:31.services can be transformational for the families. You are talking about

:27:32. > :27:43.cuts in budget between 2010 and 2015 but hearing from our panel these

:27:44. > :27:48.issues have been going on for years. Absolutely. Why we have come

:27:49. > :27:53.together now as the partnership is because as 28 different charities we

:27:54. > :27:59.are troubled with the ongoing lack of support for families but also we

:28:00. > :28:04.have just had a budget where disabled children were not mentioned

:28:05. > :28:07.at all and more widely in the social reform agenda there is never any

:28:08. > :28:10.mention of disabled children and their families and we think that

:28:11. > :28:17.needs to change. The government says it is spending ?50 billion a year

:28:18. > :28:20.supporting disabled people and councils are getting 200 billion by

:28:21. > :28:30.2020 to spend on local services. How does that time? You have heard from

:28:31. > :28:34.those experiences that that does not correspond with families'

:28:35. > :28:42.experiences. We know that social cabbages are being increasingly

:28:43. > :28:48.squeezed. -- social care budgets. Most services are experiencing cuts.

:28:49. > :28:56.That support for services which support the family took care, to

:28:57. > :28:59.stay together, to be able to work, are the kinds of services that are

:29:00. > :29:06.being chipped away at across the country. Do you feel it is an easy

:29:07. > :29:14.hit for local authorities? Totally. I also think it is really... They

:29:15. > :29:19.are not doing enough scoping of the children in their local areas. They

:29:20. > :29:24.are not meeting their needs. It is a very ticked box exercise when they

:29:25. > :29:30.are seeing we are providing short breaks. Myself and my daughter

:29:31. > :29:36.received 21 days a year respite but that is from a children's hospice

:29:37. > :29:41.which is a to and the demand on the charity because of the lack of

:29:42. > :29:46.government funding coming down to us is frightening because what will

:29:47. > :29:54.happen when the charity are completely exhausted of all their

:29:55. > :29:59.resources? Talking about charities being exhausted of resources, these

:30:00. > :30:05.are humans, people like you, at the heart of this, keeping things going,

:30:06. > :30:08.and it cannot be easy. No. It certainly is not. Getting by with

:30:09. > :30:16.the daily day-to-day survival kind of thing, and supporting George with

:30:17. > :30:22.his immediate needs, then to have to... It does not come to you, you

:30:23. > :30:26.have to seek these services out and it is through other families in the

:30:27. > :30:32.same situation talking to other parents that you find out what the

:30:33. > :30:38.services are about and then you have to go and seek it out for

:30:39. > :30:40.yourselves. When you are feeling exhausted anyway I'm tired that is

:30:41. > :30:49.not easy. Thank you all very much for coming

:30:50. > :30:52.in, and thank you for your comments, do keep them coming.

:30:53. > :30:54.Still to come: "A flagrant violation of international law".

:30:55. > :30:56.That's how human rights groups and refugee organisations

:30:57. > :30:59.are describing Hungary's new policy of detaining migrants in containers.

:31:00. > :31:04.and the Hungarian government shortly.

:31:05. > :31:10.?12 million has been raised for the crisis in East Africa as drought and

:31:11. > :31:16.conflict racks the region, we will hear you dumb I carry you can help

:31:17. > :31:19.16 million people in urgent need. -- we will hear how you can help.

:31:20. > :31:21.Annita McVeigh or is in the newsroom.

:31:22. > :31:24.Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ, has described claims

:31:25. > :31:27.that it was asked by President Obama to spy on Donald Trump

:31:28. > :31:35.The unusual move to issue a statement came after White House

:31:36. > :31:37.press secretary Sean Spicer quoted claims first made on US TV channel

:31:38. > :31:43.The SNP will today accuse the Government of being too scared

:31:44. > :31:45.to allow a second independence referendum.

:31:46. > :31:48.Deputy leader Angus Robertson will open his party's

:31:49. > :31:49.spring conference by saying the Conservatives

:31:50. > :31:51.have a "desperate desire" to prevent anyone rejecting Brexit.

:31:52. > :31:54.But Theresa May will tell her own party conference in Cardiff

:31:55. > :32:02.that she'll fight to keep what she calls the "precious union".

:32:03. > :32:05.Southern Railway guards in the RMT union are to stage a fresh

:32:06. > :32:08.24-hour strike on 4th April in the continuing row over staffing

:32:09. > :32:12.The news comes after the drivers' union, Aslef,

:32:13. > :32:15.reached a revised deal with the train firm's parent company,

:32:16. > :32:20.Aslef members, who rejected a previous deal struck

:32:21. > :32:22.with the company, are set to vote on the new

:32:23. > :32:36.The UK's biggest ever fine for river pollution

:32:37. > :32:38.is expected to be imposed on Thames Water today.

:32:39. > :32:40.The company's admitted to breaching more than a dozen

:32:41. > :32:44.Stretches of water in Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire were heavily

:32:45. > :32:47.Haddock caught west of Scotland and in the North Sea,

:32:48. > :32:50.has been taken off a list of sustainable fish to eat.

:32:51. > :32:52.The Marine Conservation Society says stocks declined last year

:32:53. > :32:55.and action is needed to boost the number of breeding-age fish.

:32:56. > :33:03.But the decision's been criticised by Scottish fishermen.

:33:04. > :33:10.A security sniffer dog has been shot dead at New Zealand's biggest

:33:11. > :33:13.airport after it grounded flights after escaping its leash.

:33:14. > :33:17.Authorities say the ten-month-old could not be captured after it ran

:33:18. > :33:21.away from its handler. Animal rights groups have asked why the dog could

:33:22. > :33:26.not have been tranquillised instead. That is a summary of the latest BBC

:33:27. > :33:30.News, more at ten o'clock, back to you, Joanna. Let's catch up with the

:33:31. > :33:33.sport with Olly Foster. Man United through to the Roper

:33:34. > :33:48.league quarterfinals, they beat Rostov 1-0 with a Juan Mata goal. --

:33:49. > :33:51.the Europa League. Winning a trophy carries Champions League

:33:52. > :33:54.qualifications. The draw takes place later this morning, and Leicester

:33:55. > :33:59.are the only British club left in that competition. They could face

:34:00. > :34:02.Barcelona, real Madrid or Bayern Munich, or a few other European

:34:03. > :34:08.superpowers. Nichols Canyon, written by Ruby Walsh, won the big race

:34:09. > :34:16.yesterday, one of six Irish winners at the Cheltenham Festival. He

:34:17. > :34:20.writes the favourite, Djakadam, in the Gold Cup this afternoon. And

:34:21. > :34:27.Warrington's wall. To the Super League season continues, they lost

:34:28. > :34:30.22-8 at newly promoted Leigh centurions last night. -- woeful

:34:31. > :34:31.start. Hungary is to detain migrants

:34:32. > :34:33.in metal shipping containers along its southern border,

:34:34. > :34:35.where they will be kept while they wait for their asylum

:34:36. > :34:39.cases to be heard. The measure applies to men,

:34:40. > :34:42.women and children over 14. The country's prime minister

:34:43. > :34:45.Viktor Orban is known for his He's described it as

:34:46. > :34:54.a "Trojan horse for terrorism" and says the measures

:34:55. > :34:56.are intended to "save Europe". Human rights group Amnesty

:34:57. > :34:59.International has condemned the move as a "flagrant violation

:35:00. > :35:00.of international law". The Hungarian Parliament approved

:35:01. > :35:03.the law to detain migrants as part of measures to tighten controls

:35:04. > :35:06.on the Serbian border which has been a focus of the European

:35:07. > :35:48.migration crisis since 2015. We are not criminals, we are not

:35:49. > :36:34.terrorists, we are refugees. A little over a month ago, this

:36:35. > :36:38.programme reported from Asotthalom, a village on the Hungarian-Serbian

:36:39. > :36:40.border Asotthalom, a village

:36:41. > :36:47.on the southern Hungarian plains, just minutes from the Serbian border

:36:48. > :36:50.were in 2015, 10,000 migrants a day

:36:51. > :36:56.crossed into Hungary. The village population is declining

:36:57. > :37:02.and homesteads stand vacant. The mayor here wants

:37:03. > :37:07.to attract foreign investors, TRANSLATION: We primarily welcome

:37:08. > :37:15.people from Western Europe, people who would not like to live

:37:16. > :37:19.in a multicultural society. We wouldn't like to attract

:37:20. > :37:22.Muslim people in the village. What if I was black,

:37:23. > :37:24.or what if I was gay? Asotthalom has a bye-law that bans

:37:25. > :37:34.homosexual propaganda. As for your other question,

:37:35. > :37:40.think about this. Europe is small, it can't take

:37:41. > :37:42.in billions of people from Africa and South Asia,

:37:43. > :37:47.but there is a population boom. This would soon lead

:37:48. > :37:50.to the disappearance of Europe. I would like Europe to belong

:37:51. > :37:52.to Europeans, and Africa to Africans,

:37:53. > :37:58.simple as that. He is so serious he has introduced

:37:59. > :38:02.local legislation banning public displays of affection by gay people,

:38:03. > :38:07.the wearing of Islamic dress, and he wants to ban

:38:08. > :38:13.the building of mosques. There are two Muslims

:38:14. > :38:16.in Asotthalom, and one of them agreed to speak to us,

:38:17. > :38:19.but at the last minute pulled out. They didn't want to attract

:38:20. > :38:21.attention to themselves. They have spoken of their fears

:38:22. > :38:24.to Hungarian media in the past but other villagers reject the laws

:38:25. > :38:27.are a huge concern. However, they are the talk

:38:28. > :38:32.of the village pub. TRANSLATION: Important issues

:38:33. > :38:36.like this should be legislated by the national government,

:38:37. > :38:39.not local legislation. If they take off their veil,

:38:40. > :38:42.I'll accept them. It doesn't even matter

:38:43. > :38:44.if they are black, they should become

:38:45. > :38:47.Hungarian citizens even if they are Muslims

:38:48. > :38:49.or whatever. Are you trying to create

:38:50. > :38:59.a white kind of supremacist village? but because we are white, European,

:39:00. > :39:06.Christian population Our correspondent Nick Thorpe

:39:07. > :39:29.is on the Hungary border. Nick, tell us what is happening

:39:30. > :39:33.there right now. Well, yes, Joanna, here I am right next to the

:39:34. > :39:36.container camp, you might be able to hear in the background earth moving

:39:37. > :39:44.machines, digging machines that have already flattened the area here.

:39:45. > :39:50.Basically, they are putting into place shipping containers which will

:39:51. > :39:55.house up to, at displays, up to 250 asylum seekers from the beginning of

:39:56. > :40:01.April. There is one of the camp like this, but they are preparing it

:40:02. > :40:04.down. Each individual carbon is like a shipping container, and this is

:40:05. > :40:14.where all asylum seekers in future will be detained. -- cabin. Tell us

:40:15. > :40:18.more about the controversy around these policies, there has been a

:40:19. > :40:21.ruling from the European Court of Human Rights. That is right, the

:40:22. > :40:27.Hungarian government's position is rather hard line, it sees pretty

:40:28. > :40:30.much all the migrants crossing the border, legally or illegally, as

:40:31. > :40:35.economic migrants. It doesn't see this as a humanitarian issue, it

:40:36. > :40:40.sees it as a securities you, and it sees Hungary on the front line, and

:40:41. > :40:44.it says it is defending Hungary and the European Union, as a Schengen

:40:45. > :40:48.member country. The European Court of Human Rights, this is an

:40:49. > :40:52.interesting precedent setting case, just a couple of days ago ruled

:40:53. > :40:57.against Hungary over the detention in exactly this place where I am

:40:58. > :41:02.standing now of two Pakistani citizens in September 2000 and 15.

:41:03. > :41:06.Hungary had argued that Serbia, just the other side of the border, is a

:41:07. > :41:09.safe country and it was allowed to send them back. Hungary argued that

:41:10. > :41:14.it could detain them for 23 days and similar containers to the ones being

:41:15. > :41:20.arranged here now. But the UN Court of Human Rights ruled that Hungary

:41:21. > :41:25.had violated international rules, asylum procedures and so one, by

:41:26. > :41:29.doing that, so it was found in breach of international and EU

:41:30. > :41:32.rules. So is there any sanction against Hungary, or can it continue

:41:33. > :41:39.to ignore that and potentially any other rulings? There have been a

:41:40. > :41:44.chorus of international criticism from the United Nations refugee

:41:45. > :41:49.agency, also from human rights organisations. The UNHCR cannot

:41:50. > :41:52.sanction Hungary, the European Commission could, and there were

:41:53. > :41:56.hearings in the European Parliament recently, and people are waiting to

:41:57. > :42:01.see, the government is waiting to see, because by tightening the rules

:42:02. > :42:04.and introducing this effectively automatic detention, Hungary is

:42:05. > :42:07.going head to head with Brussels, people wondering whether the

:42:08. > :42:14.European Commission will challenge this, or indeed anyone else will

:42:15. > :42:16.challenge this legally. Thank you, Nick.

:42:17. > :42:19.With us is Erno Simon, a spokesman for UNHCR

:42:20. > :42:24.in Hungary spokesman, Stephane Moissaing, head

:42:25. > :42:26.of Medecins Sans Frontieres' mission in Serbia,

:42:27. > :42:28.and the Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs.

:42:29. > :42:32.We'll hear from the Hungarian government spokesman

:42:33. > :42:34.in a minute, but first tell us about the containers

:42:35. > :42:46.Well, we think the detention of asylum seekers in these conditions

:42:47. > :42:50.is absolutely against international and EU law. The only criteria why

:42:51. > :42:54.these people would be detained is that they first seek asylum in

:42:55. > :43:00.Hungary, and they have not committed any crime, and all of them will be

:43:01. > :43:05.detained behind four metre high razor wire fence, this is

:43:06. > :43:09.unacceptable. Hungary says that it is dealing with a situation where it

:43:10. > :43:13.is trying to manage large numbers of people who have been trying to get

:43:14. > :43:19.into the country - is this a proportionate response? Well, as I

:43:20. > :43:23.have mentioned, under the international law, seeking asylum is

:43:24. > :43:27.absolutely a basic human rights, and no-one should be sanctioned for it,

:43:28. > :43:34.no-one should suffer any repercussions for it, any people can

:43:35. > :43:41.ask for asylum, and they have the right to enter the country and to

:43:42. > :43:48.have access to a fair legal asylum seeker. Hungary now prepares to

:43:49. > :43:51.detain every single asylum seeker, including children, who come with

:43:52. > :43:59.families or who come alone to Hungary. So I think this is

:44:00. > :44:10.absolutely not a proportionate response to this. Stephan, Medecins

:44:11. > :44:13.Sans Frontieres say they have been treating migrants who have been

:44:14. > :44:16.treated brutally by the Hungarian authorities, I know MSF has not

:44:17. > :44:24.directly witnessed any incidents, but tell us the allegations that you

:44:25. > :44:37.have heard. Yes, we have some case of violence which which come to our

:44:38. > :44:44.clinic ill Belgrade. Weather conditions are now more suitable for

:44:45. > :44:51.migrants to travel. We have recorded some violence already, and actually

:44:52. > :44:57.in February we had 39 cases at our clinic, Annie Last two weeks of

:44:58. > :45:05.March, we had 37 cases. -- and the last. So yes, the trend of violence

:45:06. > :45:11.seems to be increasing. After the violence, the brutal act on

:45:12. > :45:16.migrants, what we hear in testimonies, much more people give

:45:17. > :45:22.their testimonies, so we see only the tip of the iceberg. The

:45:23. > :45:29.testimonies we receive are telling that a long session of humiliation

:45:30. > :45:40.are happening to migrants, so dog bites, hitting with rubber sticks,

:45:41. > :45:43.tear gas. And the migrants are kept between 30 minutes and four hours

:45:44. > :45:52.sometimes, and they are humiliated, so we have seen some other cases,

:45:53. > :45:59.even people as young as 13 years old being brutalised as well.

:46:00. > :46:09.It is inhumane treatment. Allegations are not really

:46:10. > :46:17.investigated and we would like to have a body to investigate those

:46:18. > :46:21.allegations. You are joining us as the government spokesman. A lot of

:46:22. > :46:28.allegations being made against Hungary, inhumane treatment it has

:46:29. > :46:32.been called. What is your response? They are allegations. We have not

:46:33. > :46:38.seen any evidence supporting these allegations. Therefore we have to

:46:39. > :46:44.presume that most of them are lies. Very well known at long stores

:46:45. > :46:49.migrants reaching the borders of Europe. For the past two or three

:46:50. > :46:52.years we have seen many stories and interpretations so you have to be

:46:53. > :47:02.careful when you meet these allegations. We have a gross

:47:03. > :47:05.misinterpretation of international law and asylum seekers. There is no

:47:06. > :47:10.such human rights that would allow anyone around the globe to freely

:47:11. > :47:14.choose his destination, cross countries illegally and eventually

:47:15. > :47:20.come to the borders of the European Union and one of the European member

:47:21. > :47:23.states to apply for asylum. Hungary has been ruled against by the

:47:24. > :47:28.European Court of Human Rights on the issue. Yes, but you have to be

:47:29. > :47:34.precise on the two cases. This is a ridiculous case because two

:47:35. > :47:38.Pakistanis or Bangladeshis to the rest of my knowledge were awarded

:47:39. > :47:44.some financial ramifications because we sent them back to Serbia, through

:47:45. > :47:48.Serbia, to Greece. Allegedly because they are going to be ill treated.

:47:49. > :47:56.Keep in mind that Greece is a member of the European Union. It is a

:47:57. > :48:00.ridiculous idea to presume that one European member state is not the

:48:01. > :48:05.same country. Keep in mind these migrants coming through a number of

:48:06. > :48:10.states including Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, all of them are

:48:11. > :48:16.safe countries, the European Union regard the turkey as a safe country.

:48:17. > :48:20.The large proportion of migrants trying to come through to Hungary

:48:21. > :48:28.are coming from Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Do you see them as part of

:48:29. > :48:31.the humanitarian crisis? It is becoming a humanitarian crisis

:48:32. > :48:35.because we do not deal with that according to what is happening. In

:48:36. > :48:41.terms of their experience and where they have come from. Indeed but this

:48:42. > :48:46.is not a refugee crisis, this is a migration crisis. We have registered

:48:47. > :48:51.migrants coming from over 104 countries for the past couple of

:48:52. > :48:56.years. Last year, 1.2 million people entered the European Union and we

:48:57. > :48:59.see that the majority of them are not going to be entitled for any

:49:00. > :49:04.kind of legal status therefore they should be returned back to where

:49:05. > :49:09.they were coming from. That is increasingly problematic to put into

:49:10. > :49:12.effect. Look at Germany and the Scandinavian countries struggling

:49:13. > :49:17.with hundreds of thousands of people who should be sent back and it is

:49:18. > :49:21.impossible because they have failed to fulfil their obligations under

:49:22. > :49:28.the existing European framework to ensure that those who step on legal

:49:29. > :49:35.soil have area goal -- legal rights. -- who step on European soil have a

:49:36. > :49:40.legal right. Germany, Scandinavian countries in the rest of Europe,

:49:41. > :49:43.what you are trying to do is to restore law and order at the

:49:44. > :49:50.European borders. We have an obligation. Hungary has an

:49:51. > :49:55.obligation under the existing rules. What about the point that migrants

:49:56. > :50:06.once they get that point have passed through other safe countries as well

:50:07. > :50:11.where they could stay? Serbia and Macedonia might be safe countries

:50:12. > :50:15.for the civilians, safe countries of origin, but the asylum institutions,

:50:16. > :50:20.the asylum system does not function properly in those countries, so we

:50:21. > :50:26.do not recommend to countries to send asylum seekers back to Serbia

:50:27. > :50:35.or Macedonia. Would you like to respond to that? Come back to common

:50:36. > :50:37.sense. That is ridiculous. There's the European Union considers Turkey

:50:38. > :50:42.a safe country a member state likely to be considered a safe country.

:50:43. > :50:49.Macedonia and Serbia are safe countries as well. We have to cut

:50:50. > :50:52.this vicious circle of illegal migrants using the services of human

:50:53. > :50:58.traffickers crossing a number of countries illegally just because

:50:59. > :51:02.they believe, and does not really matter if they are proper refugees

:51:03. > :51:06.are economic migrants, that they have a right to come to European

:51:07. > :51:10.Union without approval. We have to turn back to common sense and

:51:11. > :51:25.legality at the borders the European Union. Thank you.

:51:26. > :51:27.Coming up: Britain's top secret surveillance agency GCHQ has

:51:28. > :51:29.described as "ridiculous" claims it was asked by President Obama

:51:30. > :51:32.to spy on Donald Trump during last year's US election campaign.

:51:33. > :51:41.?12 million has already been raised since

:51:42. > :51:43.the Disasters Emergency Committee launched its urgent

:51:44. > :51:46.appeal for the crisis in East Africa on Wednesday.

:51:47. > :51:50.The DEC is made up of 13 UK aid agencies who have joined forces

:51:51. > :51:53.for the appeal to help those facing famine in the region.

:51:54. > :51:57.The committee says at least 16 million people in Somalia, Kenya,

:51:58. > :51:59.Ethiopia and South Sudan are in desperate need of food,

:52:00. > :52:08.We can now speak to Saleh Saeed, the Chief Executive of

:52:09. > :52:12.the Disasters Emergency Committee, Tearfund's Country Director

:52:13. > :52:15.for South Sudan is in Juba, where they have feeding centres

:52:16. > :52:17.for internally displaced people who've been flocking to the capital

:52:18. > :52:25.And Simon Nyabwengi, who is the World Vision's National

:52:26. > :52:27.Director for Somalia, where the country is at risk

:52:28. > :52:41.You have had a good response to the campaign already. What will the

:52:42. > :52:46.money be used for? The money raised so far will go to supply very

:52:47. > :52:50.desperate people in East Africa with food, water and medical supplies,

:52:51. > :52:58.for example starving children on the brink of death will be supplied with

:52:59. > :53:02.a miracle cure that gives them the nutrients they are desperately

:53:03. > :53:06.needing to survive. The funding is coming through at a very desperate

:53:07. > :53:13.time. Why does it have to get to this point for minds to be focused?

:53:14. > :53:16.Yes. We have been alerting the world and the UK public about the

:53:17. > :53:20.devastating situation going on in East Africa for a while but we are

:53:21. > :53:27.delighted that the world has woken up and taken stock of what is going

:53:28. > :53:31.on. We still have time to avert catastrophe, 16 million people who

:53:32. > :53:35.are literally needing humanitarian assistance who could face starvation

:53:36. > :53:39.of we do not respond. We are very proud of the UK Government and the

:53:40. > :53:45.UK public for responding urgently to this crisis and the global community

:53:46. > :53:50.we are calling on to respond. You are in south Sudan. Tell us about

:53:51. > :53:57.the picture for you and the needs you're seeing. Thank you. The

:53:58. > :54:02.picture here and the future here at the moment of the country is dire.

:54:03. > :54:07.We have a country with half a million people and about 7.5 million

:54:08. > :54:11.people need humanitarian assistance. 4.9 million people have not enough

:54:12. > :54:21.food and that is not just having a diverse end, it is having 30, 40,

:54:22. > :54:26.50% of the daily diet. Because these are the drought in the eastern parts

:54:27. > :54:29.of the country and the conflict in different places, famine was

:54:30. > :54:34.declared in the north of the country in some counties and some counties

:54:35. > :54:39.in other parts of the country are in danger of falling to famine. We also

:54:40. > :54:42.have extreme hunger Radford problem in some areas where we have not had

:54:43. > :54:50.this in the past like in the south of the country. There are lots of

:54:51. > :54:58.different issues that country, the conflicts you mentioned, the food,

:54:59. > :55:03.shortages causing devastation, in terms of the conflict what impact is

:55:04. > :55:11.that having? It has the impact that people cannot access food

:55:12. > :55:16.distribution, medical services, borders. This is very common, or

:55:17. > :55:20.they have to flee to other places where normally you would perhaps

:55:21. > :55:25.have more food available normally and put more pressure on these

:55:26. > :55:33.markets. It is like a spiral which is not reading to anything good. The

:55:34. > :55:42.problem is very serious. You are in Somalia. What is the situation? The

:55:43. > :55:47.situation is quite desperate. I have been in the field for the last five

:55:48. > :55:52.days and what I have seen is quite heartbreaking. I will give an

:55:53. > :56:00.example of a mother we met who had five children and she started on a

:56:01. > :56:03.40 kilometres trek and two of her children had acute diarrhoea and

:56:04. > :56:11.they succumb to that disease and she had to bury them in the community

:56:12. > :56:16.she was passing through. Then she continued with her older son to

:56:17. > :56:23.somewhere where she was able to get some assistance. We have seen people

:56:24. > :56:28.coming into areas where there is no conflict, we are seeing them seeking

:56:29. > :56:34.help, seeing a very acute outbreak of diarrhoea, a cholera condition

:56:35. > :56:42.that is becoming what we are calling a which's blue, people who are

:56:43. > :56:50.weakened by hunger and then you have acute diarrhoea which is the result

:56:51. > :56:52.of consuming very dirty water. We are seeing a quite desperate

:56:53. > :56:59.situation in all of the areas we are working in. As with south Sudan, the

:57:00. > :57:02.issues in Somalia are not straightforward. It is not just

:57:03. > :57:09.environmental issues, there is the conflict as well. How complicated as

:57:10. > :57:15.the picture? It becomes a lot more complicated especially in the south.

:57:16. > :57:20.What has happened over time is that forces have managed to liberate some

:57:21. > :57:28.towns but rural areas are still controlled by Al-Shabab and you are

:57:29. > :57:33.having people starving affected by drought who are having to make their

:57:34. > :57:42.way into safer areas, in order to be able to get assistance. Our biggest

:57:43. > :57:51.fear is that while we might be able to save those who find their way

:57:52. > :57:57.into these areas, two days ago the world 13,000 people who made the

:57:58. > :58:02.trek in order to get help, our biggest fear is that in those areas

:58:03. > :58:06.that we do not have access to that there might be a lot more dead and

:58:07. > :58:18.in more desperate need and we are not able to reach them. Thank you.

:58:19. > :58:25.It is the Echo docks in the UK which is the day when days and nights are

:58:26. > :58:29.equal in length. Not to be confused with the equinox which is on Monday

:58:30. > :58:34.when the sun passes across the equator. Today has started bright

:58:35. > :58:40.for many of you, lovely sunrise across southern parts of the UK. It

:58:41. > :58:44.will be a fine day in Cornwall. Further north the sky is a different

:58:45. > :58:49.cooler and it is probably a day to stay this side of the window.

:58:50. > :58:53.Outbreaks of rain across Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland and

:58:54. > :58:57.north-west England. Snow on the hills in the Highlands. Very misty.

:58:58. > :59:07.Biased throughout the south but the cloud will increase. -- driest.

:59:08. > :59:12.Heading further south temperatures are what they should be for the time

:59:13. > :59:15.of year. It is going to be damp in Northern Ireland. The rain will ease

:59:16. > :59:20.off in central and southern Scotland this afternoon but north-west

:59:21. > :59:25.Midlands and western parts of Wales get wetter and wetter. Winds around

:59:26. > :59:30.the coast get easier. Gusty by the end of the day. Away from the hills

:59:31. > :59:33.western parts of Wales and much of England and Wales will have a dry

:59:34. > :59:40.day with the best of the sunshine towards the south and east. We have

:59:41. > :59:45.had some sunshine at Cheltenham but it will turn cloudier. Cannot rule

:59:46. > :59:49.out rain and wind but most of the time it will be dry. Tonight the

:59:50. > :59:53.chance of rain just about anywhere overnight. Heaviest and most

:59:54. > :59:58.persistent in the west. That year and lighter further east. The

:59:59. > :00:03.clearest conditions will be in northern Scotland. A touch of frost

:00:04. > :00:09.and ice. For the rest of you, a mild start to the weekend. A lot of load

:00:10. > :00:14.throughout the weekend. The occasional bit of rain elsewhere in

:00:15. > :00:18.the south. Writing and up into the afternoon. Turning wetter for

:00:19. > :00:23.Northern Ireland, and north-west England. Some areas will stay dry

:00:24. > :00:31.throughout the day. Maybe into the south-east of England we could get

:00:32. > :00:36.15 degrees. Maybe higher. Wet and windy weather across northern areas

:00:37. > :00:39.into Sunday. It comes into another weather system which will work its

:00:40. > :00:44.way in on Sunday. The wettest will be in the west. Particularly on

:00:45. > :00:50.Sunday in Northern Ireland and western parts of Scotland. Eastern

:00:51. > :00:54.areas drier and brighter. Fairly mild with temperatures into the

:00:55. > :01:00.teens but the mild air will not last, next week we may see sunshine

:01:01. > :01:09.return but called air heading back. Hello, it is Friday, ten o'clock, I

:01:10. > :01:12.am Joanna Gosling. Nonsense and utterly ridiculous -

:01:13. > :01:14.Britain's intelligence agency GCHQ says allegations it spied

:01:15. > :01:17.on Donald Trump should be ignored. Not enough families

:01:18. > :01:22.with disabled children are getting the help they need

:01:23. > :01:30.to care for them. That is according to a group of

:01:31. > :01:33.charities. We have been hearing from a mum about the struggles she has

:01:34. > :01:38.faced. I was having to fight to justify why I needed the help that I

:01:39. > :01:42.needed, and for a parent to have to put their hands up and say, I'm

:01:43. > :01:46.really struggling to look after my daughter, it is a very hard thing to

:01:47. > :01:49.have to admit, for a mother to say that, and I don't think any family

:01:50. > :01:56.should be forced to have to say that. To just marry the boss and

:01:57. > :01:59.live off him, how is that for career advice? We will reveal some of the

:02:00. > :02:11.shopping career advice university students have been given. Have you

:02:12. > :02:15.been given any particular the shopping career advice? Do get in

:02:16. > :02:18.touch. Let's catch up with the news with Annita. Thank you, good

:02:19. > :02:20.morning. Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ,

:02:21. > :02:22.has described claims that it was asked by President Obama

:02:23. > :02:25.to spy on Donald Trump The unusual move to issue

:02:26. > :02:29.a statement came after White House press secretary Sean Spicer quoted

:02:30. > :02:31.claims first made on US TV channel He did not use the NSA,

:02:32. > :02:38.he did not use the CIA, and he did not use

:02:39. > :02:42.the Department of Justice. It is the initials for the British

:02:43. > :02:46.intelligence spying agency. So simply by having two people

:02:47. > :02:48.saying to them the president needs transcripts of conversations

:02:49. > :02:50.involving candidate Trump, conversations involving

:02:51. > :02:53.President-elect Trump, so he is able to get it

:02:54. > :02:56.and there are no American The SNP will today accuse

:02:57. > :03:00.the Government of being too scared to allow a second independence

:03:01. > :03:03.referendum. Deputy leader Angus Robertson

:03:04. > :03:06.will open his party's spring conference by saying

:03:07. > :03:09.the Conservatives have a "desperate desire" to prevent

:03:10. > :03:12.anyone rejecting Brexit. But Theresa May will tell her own

:03:13. > :03:15.party conference in Cardiff that she'll fight to keep what she calls

:03:16. > :03:18.the "precious union". Hungary is pressing ahead

:03:19. > :03:22.with the construction of two container camps for asylum-seekers

:03:23. > :03:24.on its border with Serbia, despite By the end of March,

:03:25. > :03:30.the government plans to keep all asylum seekers in detention,

:03:31. > :03:43.including families Agencies working on behalf of

:03:44. > :03:49.migrants say the policy by late international law. -- violates.

:03:50. > :03:51.Secondary schools in England could lose the equivalent

:03:52. > :03:53.of six teachers by 2020, according to a think-tank.

:03:54. > :03:55.The Education Policy Institute says schools will see

:03:56. > :03:58.cuts on average of nearly ?300,000 in the next three years.

:03:59. > :04:00.But the Government says funding is at an all-time high

:04:01. > :04:06.The US Secretary of State has said military action

:04:07. > :04:10.against nuclear armed North Korea was an "option on the table".

:04:11. > :04:12.Rex Tillerson made the remarks during a visit to the demilitarised

:04:13. > :04:18.He said the American policy of strategic patience had ended.

:04:19. > :04:23.He was speaking in the South Korean capital, Seoul, after visiting the

:04:24. > :04:25.demilitarised zone. The UK's biggest ever fine

:04:26. > :04:27.for river pollution is expected to be imposed

:04:28. > :04:29.on Thames Water today. The company's admitted

:04:30. > :04:31.to breaching more Stretches of water in Oxfordshire

:04:32. > :04:34.and Buckinghamshire were heavily Southern Railway guards in

:04:35. > :04:42.the RMT union are to stage in the continuing row over staffing

:04:43. > :04:47.and the role of conductors. The news comes after

:04:48. > :04:50.the drivers' union, Aslef, reached a revised deal with the

:04:51. > :04:54.train firm's parent company, Aslef members,

:04:55. > :04:58.who rejected a previous deal struck with the company,

:04:59. > :05:01.are set to vote on the new Haddock caught west of Scotland

:05:02. > :05:05.and in the North Sea has been taken off a list

:05:06. > :05:07.of sustainable fish to eat. The Marine Conservation Society

:05:08. > :05:10.says stocks declined last year and action is needed to boost

:05:11. > :05:16.the number of breeding-age fish. But the decision's been criticised

:05:17. > :05:22.by Scottish fishermen. Indonesia has summoned

:05:23. > :05:24.the British ambassador after a ship operated

:05:25. > :05:27.by a British company ran aground on a coral reef,

:05:28. > :05:30.causing it extensive damage. On 4th March, the 4,290-ton

:05:31. > :05:34.Caledonian Sky hit reefs off an island in Raja Ampat,

:05:35. > :05:36.Papua province, at low tide. The region is famous

:05:37. > :05:40.for its biodiversity and the boat was taking tourists

:05:41. > :05:46.on a bird-watching expedition. The incident has caused outrage

:05:47. > :05:48.in Indonesia and local officials have suggested the captain

:05:49. > :05:54.could face criminal charges. A security sniffer dog has been

:05:55. > :05:57.shot dead at New Zealand's biggest airport after it escaped its leash

:05:58. > :05:59.and grounded flights. Authorities in Auckland

:06:00. > :06:03.said the ten-month old, named called Grizz,

:06:04. > :06:05.could not be captured after it ran away

:06:06. > :06:08.from its handler. why the dog could not have been

:06:09. > :06:24.tranquillised instead. That is a summary of the BBC News,

:06:25. > :06:28.more at 10:30. Olly Foster has the sport.

:06:29. > :06:31.Low again, it is the final day of the Cheltenham Festival, St

:06:32. > :06:35.Patrick's Day of course, and a fabulous week for the Irish horses

:06:36. > :06:39.and trainers and jockeys, every chance that they will be in the

:06:40. > :06:43.winner's enclosure for the Gold Cup later today. That is what everyone

:06:44. > :06:49.will be looking forward to, not sure if Mike Bushell has any Irish

:06:50. > :06:56.connections, but he certainly knows someone in a hat shop!

:06:57. > :07:00.I do! Good morning, yes, I have got friends in a hat shop, I am one

:07:01. > :07:04.eighth Irish, but after last night, probably half, because it was like

:07:05. > :07:10.being in a small corner of Dublin, everyone was singing, they were

:07:11. > :07:15.calling and Ruby Thursday after Ruby Walsh and four winners in seven

:07:16. > :07:21.races, in fine form, and everyone was saying, Djakadam will win the

:07:22. > :07:26.Gold Cup, Ireland will beat England in the Six Nations on Saturday. 30%

:07:27. > :07:30.of the tickets sold for today at Cheltenham on Gold Cup date was sold

:07:31. > :07:34.to people living in Ireland, so like a little Dublin. The Irish are so

:07:35. > :07:39.confident, as you say, ahead of the day and the Gold Cup, but Willie

:07:40. > :07:46.Mullins has never won the big race. So many winners but not the Gold

:07:47. > :07:51.Cup, and there is a corner of Somerset that is trying to stop him

:07:52. > :07:54.again today. Colin Tizzard may not have his best horse here,

:07:55. > :08:02.Thistlecrack, but two fancy runners are challenging Djakadam in the

:08:03. > :08:08.betting stakes, Native River and the people's horse, Cue Card. He works

:08:09. > :08:13.with his head on his chest, he gets to the top, he is a happy horse. He

:08:14. > :08:20.is not ready for anything else yet, he is a racehorse, and T-levels it.

:08:21. > :08:26.I really believe he has got a good chance as he will ever have. -- and

:08:27. > :08:32.he loves it. The Foster flutter is usually based on a horse 's name or

:08:33. > :08:35.whatever coloured silks the jockey is wearing, I know some punters go

:08:36. > :08:40.deeper when they look at the form, the all important going on the

:08:41. > :08:44.course behind you. Yes, somewhere at there the clerk of the cause is

:08:45. > :08:48.walking the course, I do not know if he's going over the fences, but he

:08:49. > :08:53.is inspecting it right now, and heart of the press he was telling me

:08:54. > :08:56.that the conditions are absolutely perfect. Because of that, excuse the

:08:57. > :09:01.pun, it is really a level playing field. He does not think it will

:09:02. > :09:06.favour any particular type of horse, but he thinks the momentum is with

:09:07. > :09:13.the Irish. Well, Ruby and Willie Mullins on fire yesterday, and I saw

:09:14. > :09:17.Djakadam a couple of weeks ago over in Ireland, he was in tremendous

:09:18. > :09:20.form. I was talking to somebody about Native River, whether the

:09:21. > :09:25.ground might be too quick for him, he won at Newbury on softer ground,

:09:26. > :09:28.and the answer was, don't be surprised, he has got a real turn of

:09:29. > :09:33.foot. I am not sure the conditions will be detrimental to any of them,

:09:34. > :09:38.actually. They would be described by the professionals as pretty well

:09:39. > :09:42.perfect. There we go, so even he has been a bit influenced by all the

:09:43. > :09:47.Irish people here today and last night. There is that feeling that it

:09:48. > :09:51.is Gold Cup day and St Patrick's Day, and with the rivalry ahead of

:09:52. > :14:36.the rugby tomorrow, just incredible, the Irish on top after Ruby

:14:37. > :18:59.This is a party four times the size it was in September 20 14th before

:19:00. > :19:05.that first independence referendum. The atmosphere is very buoyant, I

:19:06. > :19:11.think they are determined. I think they believe that with the support

:19:12. > :19:16.of the Greens next week, the other pro-independence party in Scotland,

:19:17. > :19:19.there will be a majority carrying this vote through the Scottish

:19:20. > :19:23.Parliament, and they believe that Theresa May may well say we will not

:19:24. > :19:29.even enter into discussions about section 30, but I think the

:19:30. > :19:41.arguments will turn to you go to defy the Esson -- the SNP. It is a

:19:42. > :19:45.tricky path to negotiate, high-stakes game and we will see

:19:46. > :19:49.more details set out by Nicola Sturgeon tomorrow about what she

:19:50. > :19:53.sees as the options ahead. Thank you both very much for joining us. Angus

:19:54. > :19:59.Robertson from the SNP will be speaking in around 20 minutes, we

:20:00. > :20:04.will listen to what he has to say and bring you whatever he says.

:20:05. > :20:09.Let's bring you some more comments on families looking after disabled

:20:10. > :20:14.children and the lack of help that they are receiving. Very often it is

:20:15. > :20:21.full-time carers, the parents working as full-time carers. Almost

:20:22. > :20:26.seven out of ten families never get any support to caring for their

:20:27. > :20:31.disabled children. Sophie says Olson is six, has severe autism and is

:20:32. > :20:35.mainly nonverbal. -- our son is six. We do not have close family nearby

:20:36. > :20:40.and we had to fight for a briefing, even getting nappies took more than

:20:41. > :20:44.a year to sort out. We still in reams of paperwork to get even the

:20:45. > :20:48.most straightforward things. Getting direct payment has been a huge

:20:49. > :20:51.challenge, we are in the ridiculous situation of having been awarded

:20:52. > :20:55.direct payments but were unable to access them for around six months

:20:56. > :20:59.because nobody would give us the forms we needed to make that

:21:00. > :21:03.possible. There must be a better way of helping families get the

:21:04. > :21:07.resources they need, that does not mean families already under immense

:21:08. > :21:11.pressure should be contending with more pressure, it is not right or

:21:12. > :21:18.caring. Earlier I spoke to Haley, the mother of a disabled child, she

:21:19. > :21:23.spoke about the pressure she faces. You know, we had to be specially

:21:24. > :21:29.trained to react to everything that Holly does. Basically we do the job

:21:30. > :21:34.of an intensive care team at home. Our house is set up all around

:21:35. > :21:39.Holly, we have machines to monitor her oxygen levels, her heartrate,

:21:40. > :21:44.her blood pressure, high temperature. We are constantly

:21:45. > :21:49.monitoring her to keep her well. For years you had absolutely no help,

:21:50. > :21:53.you now get some. What difference does the help that you get a make,

:21:54. > :21:58.what amount are you getting and what difference does it make? For many

:21:59. > :22:01.years we had no help and Ira light on my sister because otherwise I

:22:02. > :22:07.don't know what would have happened to us as a family -- and I relied on

:22:08. > :22:14.my sister. We felt we had reached crisis point as a family. My husband

:22:15. > :22:17.and myself were physically and mentally exhausted just through

:22:18. > :22:24.sheer caring. We then got something called direct payments which is some

:22:25. > :22:28.hours a week which enable us to employ somebody to assist us to just

:22:29. > :22:33.really give Holly a better quality of life, which is all that we really

:22:34. > :22:37.wanted. We found that all the cab that we were doing at home was very

:22:38. > :22:41.intense and we needed to do this but we were missing out on living life

:22:42. > :22:47.as a family -- all the care that we were doing at home. It had an impact

:22:48. > :22:55.on my other children, they are just as important as Holly and family

:22:56. > :22:58.life was seriously compromised, we had no family time together. You

:22:59. > :23:02.have two other kids, don't you? It took a long time to get help, is

:23:03. > :23:09.that because you did not know you are entitled, you took a long time

:23:10. > :23:15.to ask for it? When you have a child with very complex health needs it is

:23:16. > :23:22.a very fragmented system and there is not good signposting. People

:23:23. > :23:27.don't really give you the option of care, I think they expect a lot of

:23:28. > :23:32.parents to know what is out there. I felt I was juggling Holly's care but

:23:33. > :23:38.then having to fight to justify why I needed the help that I needed. For

:23:39. > :23:41.a parent to do that, to put their hands up and say I am really

:23:42. > :23:46.struggling to look after my daughter, it is very hard to admit

:23:47. > :23:55.for a mother to say that. I don't think any family should be forced to

:23:56. > :23:57.have to say that. I think initially what would have worked better is if

:23:58. > :24:00.services around us could recognise the need and early intervention

:24:01. > :24:07.would stop anything like that happening to other families. One of

:24:08. > :24:11.our guests has a 15-year-old child with special additional needs, tell

:24:12. > :24:18.us about your son George? He has a rare genetic syndrome affecting his

:24:19. > :24:23.pancreas and bone marrow and skill Oettl, those are the main

:24:24. > :24:30.characteristics of the syndrome. -- and skeletal. He also has autism of

:24:31. > :24:38.end. He needs 24-hour care, which obviously me and my husband deliver,

:24:39. > :24:45.with family support and a good network of friends. Gosh, tell us

:24:46. > :24:49.about the pressures, we have heard from Hayley, whatever pressures been

:24:50. > :24:53.for your family? You are just managing with the daily challenges

:24:54. > :25:00.that you face, because George has quite a lot of health needs as well

:25:01. > :25:06.as the autism. It is trying to balance... He has lots of regular

:25:07. > :25:15.checkups for his health and helping him cope with daily life. He has to

:25:16. > :25:24.have medication, he needs constant supervision. You get some help, but

:25:25. > :25:27.it was a long time coming? We receive direct payments, and have

:25:28. > :25:31.done for roughly three years. We are somebody to take George out.

:25:32. > :25:35.Unfortunately he is at university so can only offer help during the

:25:36. > :25:40.summer, it has been very difficult to recruit somebody else because

:25:41. > :25:48.this is our son, we don't just want anybody, we want somebody that

:25:49. > :25:54.understands George's needs. Fairly recently we have received a short

:25:55. > :26:00.break facility through Action For Children. Unfortunately we only get

:26:01. > :26:05.one night a month, which is not a lot, really. However, George has

:26:06. > :26:09.coped extremely well with it, it has brought him on, his independence, he

:26:10. > :26:20.loves going. He is there with other peers, it broadens his spectrum,

:26:21. > :26:25.really, of meeting new people. Our next battle and fight is to ask for

:26:26. > :26:31.extra nights sober George could perhaps stay for a weekend and give

:26:32. > :26:34.my husband and I a break from the caring -- extra nights so that

:26:35. > :26:40.George could perhaps stay for a weekend. You work as well, life must

:26:41. > :26:46.feel relentless? After having George, after the initial year when

:26:47. > :26:52.George had his diagnosis and stuff I went back to work. I went back past

:26:53. > :26:56.time. An opportunity for some career progression came up so I went

:26:57. > :27:02.full-time, unfortunately I could only sustain that for four months

:27:03. > :27:07.and realised with the pressures of all the different things, George's

:27:08. > :27:13.needs, I would have to retreat back to part-time. Obviously my husband

:27:14. > :27:19.works full-time. Yeah, its impact did our lives, really.

:27:20. > :27:22.Those were two mothers of disabled children talking about their

:27:23. > :27:24.struggles in caring with very little help.

:27:25. > :27:30.Let's join Annita McVeigh for news update.

:27:31. > :27:38.GCHQ has described claims it was asked by President Obama to spy on

:27:39. > :27:43.Donald Trump as ridiculous. This came after the White House Secretary

:27:44. > :27:48.quoted a claims made on a US TV channel this week. The SNP will

:27:49. > :27:53.today accuse the Government of being too scared to allowed a second

:27:54. > :27:59.independence referendum. Angus Robertson will open the party's

:28:00. > :28:04.spring conference by saying the Conservatives want to reject anyone

:28:05. > :28:14.wanting Brexit. Theresa May said she will fight to keep the union.

:28:15. > :28:18.Hungary is pressing ahead with the construction of two camps for

:28:19. > :28:27.refugees. By the end of March the government plans to keep all asylum

:28:28. > :28:32.seekers in detention. Agencies working for them say it violates

:28:33. > :28:40.international law. Secondary schools in England could lose te kwif lent

:28:41. > :28:45.of six teach -- the equivalent of six teachers by 2020, according to a

:28:46. > :28:50.thank tank. The government says funding is at an all-time high and

:28:51. > :28:56.will continue to rise. A court in Japan has ruled that the Japanese

:28:57. > :29:02.Government was negligent in failing to prepare for the tsunami that

:29:03. > :29:07.triggered Fukushima disasters. People who were forced to leave the

:29:08. > :29:11.area brought the case. The court ruled the operator of the plant and

:29:12. > :29:16.the Japanese government were negligent, because they failed to

:29:17. > :29:30.prepare for the earthquake and tsunami that triggered the kis

:29:31. > :29:42.disaster. A ship has caused damage in Indonesia. The ship hit reefs off

:29:43. > :29:47.an island at low tide. The region is famous for its biodiversity. The

:29:48. > :29:52.incident has caused outrage in Indonesia and it is suggested the

:29:53. > :29:57.captain could face criminal charges. Haddock caught west of Scotland has

:29:58. > :30:05.been taken off a list of sustainable fish. The Marine Conservation

:30:06. > :30:11.Society said stocks declined and action is needed. A security sniffer

:30:12. > :30:15.dog has been shot dead at New Zealand's largest airport after it

:30:16. > :30:22.escaped its leash and grounded flights. Authorities said the ten

:30:23. > :30:27.month old couldn't be captured after it ran from its handler. Animal

:30:28. > :30:33.rights groups have asked why the dog could not have been tranquillised

:30:34. > :30:40.instead. That is the latest news. Join me at 11 o'clock. Now the

:30:41. > :30:46.sport. Manchester United are through to the Europa League quart finals

:30:47. > :30:51.after beating Rostov 1-0 at Old Trafford last night to go through

:30:52. > :30:58.2-1 on aggregate. The draw is in the next hour and a half. United are

:30:59. > :31:01.favourites to lift the trophy. The quart for the quarters of Champions

:31:02. > :31:05.League takes place this morning. Leicester, the only British club

:31:06. > :31:15.left, could face Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. And Nichols

:31:16. > :31:27.canyon won the stayers' hurdle at Cheltenham yesterday. Warrington's

:31:28. > :31:34.woeful start to the Super League season continued last night. They

:31:35. > :31:46.lost 22-8 at Leigh centurions. That is all the sport for this morning.

:31:47. > :31:52.Thank you. Now back to our main news, Britain's surveillance agency

:31:53. > :31:58.GCHQ has described claims that it was asked by President Obama to spy

:31:59. > :32:09.on Donald Trump as ridiculous. It said claims are nonsense and should

:32:10. > :32:17.be ignored. A former MI5 officer, Ben Oliver joins us and Crispin

:32:18. > :32:22.Black. Crispin Black, do you think that this is just a ridiculous

:32:23. > :32:30.premise? I don't think it's ridiculous at all. The trouble is we

:32:31. > :32:37.are going up a cul-de-sac, we have been subjected to a cascade of

:32:38. > :32:41.anonymously-sourced so-called information about Donald Trump's

:32:42. > :32:47.connection to Russia. There is no evidence for that. But it has been

:32:48. > :32:57.covered generouslily in the press. Now the the White House has hit back

:32:58. > :33:01.with allegations of its own and they're being dismissed. It seems

:33:02. > :33:12.inconsistent to cover these stories in that way. What is your view Ben

:33:13. > :33:16.Owen? As GCHQ have put it, it is ridiculous, these allegations don't

:33:17. > :33:21.have any evidence, unless something has changed overnight. It is not

:33:22. > :33:28.something that British intelligence would entertain in my opinion. It is

:33:29. > :33:32.not lawful. British intelligence is inherently covered by processes and

:33:33. > :33:37.law and they stick to it. They have to stick to the law, the letter of

:33:38. > :33:41.the law. It is governed very well. This is not something GCHQ would do

:33:42. > :33:46.and as they have said, I think it is ridiculous. Crispin Black, they have

:33:47. > :33:55.to stick to processes and the law. Do they? Well we just don't know.

:33:56. > :34:01.These allegations are from anonymous source and they're unproven. But the

:34:02. > :34:07.White House spokesman commander Spicer says clearly that there is

:34:08. > :34:15.something in them. So do you either believe the GCHQ spokesman or Donald

:34:16. > :34:18.Trump's spokesman. It depends on your political views about what is

:34:19. > :34:25.happening in the United States. There doesn't seem to be any middle

:34:26. > :34:33.ground. Remember the NSA in the United States is covered by law, but

:34:34. > :34:37.look at we found about them, Chancellor Merkel's phone bugged.

:34:38. > :34:44.Sometimes, intelligence agencies it may well not be the case this time,

:34:45. > :34:51.sometimes they operate the law and the bounds of common-sense. You say

:34:52. > :34:56.who do you believe, nothing has come out in the United States to give any

:34:57. > :35:02.credibility to the claims in terms of evidence has it? No, but but

:35:03. > :35:06.nothing's come out to give credibility to the concerns about

:35:07. > :35:10.Trump's connections to Russia, there is no smoking gun, there doesn't

:35:11. > :35:14.appear to be any evidence, the media have been covering it with relish.

:35:15. > :35:19.It seems to me you have either got to believe the Russian allegations

:35:20. > :35:24.about Trump are baloney, in which case the GCHQ allegations are

:35:25. > :35:29.probably baloney, if you believe the Russian allegations, there might be

:35:30. > :35:35.something in them, it is logical you believe these allegations about GCHQ

:35:36. > :35:41.there may be some basis in fact. Ben Owens what, do you say to that? I

:35:42. > :35:47.have to agree that yes, your opinion is very much based on your political

:35:48. > :35:50.views in America now, this is a phenomenon we're experiencing in

:35:51. > :35:57.America, no one saw it coming and the narrative is quite exciting and

:35:58. > :36:02.what way do you go, are you pro or not pro-Trump. The broader issue

:36:03. > :36:08.dates back to the Snowdon revelations. Post-Snowdon, everyone

:36:09. > :36:12.now is, or most people are suspicious of intelligence agencies.

:36:13. > :36:19.So I think stories like this now have a bit of credence. They are a

:36:20. > :36:24.bit more interesting, the media are listening more than they would

:36:25. > :36:29.pre-Snowdon. The internet phenomenon, I can go on the internet

:36:30. > :36:32.and find any answer I want if I punch it in. I think people are

:36:33. > :36:38.missing the broader point with respect of the British intelligence

:36:39. > :36:45.agencies have a very good relationship with US intelligence

:36:46. > :36:52.agencies and the five Is, Australia, Canada and America are going to work

:36:53. > :36:55.together and Trump and his team are stepping on dangerous ground by

:36:56. > :37:02.these accusations. They need to back it up with some evidence. If it is

:37:03. > :37:09.evidence, and if it is true, I will be very shocked, but from be I'm

:37:10. > :37:15.standing, having worked with GCHQ and wider intelligence communities,

:37:16. > :37:21.I can tell you this is noting in something that would be entertained.

:37:22. > :37:32.Let's bring in your security correspondent, Frank Gardner. Is it

:37:33. > :37:36.ary -- - ridiculous claim. It is rare for Britain's intelligence

:37:37. > :37:42.agencies to come out and deny anything like this. So for them to

:37:43. > :37:47.take this step, they must be pretty sure of what they're saying, because

:37:48. > :37:50.they would look fools, they would have their credibility destroyed if

:37:51. > :37:56.they were to come out and deny it and then it turned out to be true.

:37:57. > :37:59.So you know, usually they say we neither confirm or deny and we never

:38:00. > :38:05.comment on matters of intelligence. This time they have. They wanted to

:38:06. > :38:11.nip this in the bud. The source of this is a media commentator, a

:38:12. > :38:16.former judge, spoking on Fox News. It is not as if it is sourced from

:38:17. > :38:22.is somewhere solid. It is a comment that has been picked up by the White

:38:23. > :38:26.House. This is a dangerous development as your commentators

:38:27. > :38:30.mentioned, Britain and the United States have the closest intelligence

:38:31. > :38:39.operation sharing of any two nations, the wider group of five Is,

:38:40. > :38:44.they this close co-operation. Now it is unheard of that you could be in a

:38:45. > :38:49.situation where those agencies, which report to supreme elected

:38:50. > :38:55.power, No 10 and the Foreign Office in Britain and the White House in

:38:56. > :38:57.the United States, that they are now effectively contradicting that

:38:58. > :39:02.supreme political power in Washington. This is is a very

:39:03. > :39:08.unhealthy state of affairs where you have real threats, proper threats,

:39:09. > :39:13.North Korea's nuclear weapons development, Iran's missiles, Russia

:39:14. > :39:16.resurgent, these are real threats. This isn't fake news, this is

:39:17. > :39:21.happening. Syria. Some real problems. You can't have this

:39:22. > :39:29.situation where the White House says one thing and then their allies says

:39:30. > :39:34.no that is rubbish. I think on balance, I probably believe GCHQ. It

:39:35. > :39:39.would be they would look fools if they were to issue that denial and

:39:40. > :39:45.it was true. What could be the fallout? Well, the ball is now back

:39:46. > :39:50.in the court of White House, because they're already on the back foot,

:39:51. > :39:57.because Donald Trump did that tweet and is standing by his allegation

:39:58. > :40:00.that President Obama ordered a wire tap on Trump Tower, of which there

:40:01. > :40:05.is no evidence, they feel they have got to find something on this and if

:40:06. > :40:10.you remember Sean Spicer, the press spokesman, has said he didn't get

:40:11. > :40:18.the CIA to do it or the NSA or the FBI. So he did it through GCHQ. That

:40:19. > :40:25.is such a specific allegation about Britain's listening station that

:40:26. > :40:31.they felt compelled to deny it. There is close co-operation between

:40:32. > :40:38.GCHQ and the SNA and just as Crispin Black said, some of the things have

:40:39. > :40:43.come out that are alarming, MI5 has allegedly worked with the Americans

:40:44. > :40:51.to develop software that can hack into people's phones and plot their

:40:52. > :40:57.movements and they're not interested in, sorry nothing personal, where

:40:58. > :41:01.you do your shopping, but who is planning terrorist attacks, who is

:41:02. > :41:06.running guns and organising sex trafficking. That is the stuff

:41:07. > :41:11.they're after. In terms of the allegations of hacking, is there

:41:12. > :41:19.going to be an inquiry, an investigation? Will we get to the

:41:20. > :41:23.bottom of it. Into which bit? The wire tapping. Well the Senate

:41:24. > :41:29.intelligence committee said there is no evidence, but they have given the

:41:30. > :41:33.White House, initially they gave them a tight deadline. They have

:41:34. > :41:38.extended that, but they have got less than a week for the White House

:41:39. > :41:42.to come up with this evidence. And I imagine they're probably thrashing

:41:43. > :41:46.around. Donald Trump has put them in, the White House, in a difficult

:41:47. > :41:50.position, he has tweeted this thing without any evidence and he needs to

:41:51. > :41:55.try and find something. Currently Sean Spicer and the sort of press

:41:56. > :41:59.around the White House are trying to sort of blur the issues and say, he

:42:00. > :42:03.didn't mean specifically that President Obama ordered it. That

:42:04. > :42:08.what is the tweet said. So he has got himself in a bind there. But

:42:09. > :42:17.let's not forget what Crispin Black said, you know, there have been

:42:18. > :42:21.buggings of Angela Merkel's phone. There is distrust between Germany

:42:22. > :42:26.and the United States. Germany has strict laws on anti-sur swral lance,

:42:27. > :42:29.that is why they have so few CCTV cameras and that is one reason why

:42:30. > :42:36.it was easy for the terrorist attacks to take place in Germany.

:42:37. > :42:40.Because of the Stasi background in east Germany, they're against

:42:41. > :42:45.surveillance. So we should try and keep an open mind. Now the

:42:46. > :42:49.indications that are that allegation about GCHQ is nonsense. Thank you.

:42:50. > :42:53.We are going to go to Aberdeen, where the SNP deputy leader Angus

:42:54. > :43:00.Robertson is making a speech at the party's spring conference.

:43:01. > :43:07.We cannot drift along for the next two years and hope for the best. We

:43:08. > :43:10.face the very real prospect of a right-wing Tory government had to

:43:11. > :43:14.Middle East 2030, and being dragged out of the EU and the single market

:43:15. > :43:18.with all the damage to the economy and society that that will cause. If

:43:19. > :43:23.the Prime Minister refuses to engage on the terms of the election before

:43:24. > :43:26.Brexit takes place, she is effectively trying to block the

:43:27. > :43:30.people of Scotland from having a choice over their future. That would

:43:31. > :43:41.be a democratic outrage. APPLAUSE

:43:42. > :43:45.If Scotland can be ignored on an issue as important as our membership

:43:46. > :43:51.of the EU in the single market, it is clear that our boys and interests

:43:52. > :43:55.can be ignored at any time and on any issue.

:43:56. > :43:59.When the terms of Brexit are known, and not before, we will give the

:44:00. > :44:05.people the choice over the direction Scotland should take before it is

:44:06. > :44:10.too late to change course. Before people make that choice we will set

:44:11. > :44:14.out the challenges and opportunities of independence, in particular how

:44:15. > :44:20.to secure our relationship with Europe, build a stronger economy, a

:44:21. > :44:26.fairer society and forge a genuine partnership of equals across these

:44:27. > :44:32.islands. This has been a week of total chaos for the UK Government,

:44:33. > :44:37.including the screeching, embarrass think you turn on Tory Budget plans

:44:38. > :44:40.to attack the self-employed. The contrast between the Scottish

:44:41. > :44:45.Government and office minister could not have been clearer. I am

:44:46. > :44:48.immensely proud of the principled leadership we have seen from our

:44:49. > :45:02.leader, Nicola Sturgeon. APPLAUSE

:45:03. > :45:08.We are so very fortunate in a time of instability and uncertainty

:45:09. > :45:13.caused by the hard Brexit fixation of the Tories to have the First

:45:14. > :45:18.Minister he was respected not just in Scotland but elsewhere in the UK

:45:19. > :45:23.and Europe for her efforts to protect us from the dangerous and

:45:24. > :45:27.damaging Tory hard Brexit. It is under her leadership that we have

:45:28. > :45:31.seen a willingness to secure a compromise agreement with the UK

:45:32. > :45:36.Government and we should not forget that it was the Prime Minister who

:45:37. > :45:40.said that she wanted a UK wide approach, an agreement with the

:45:41. > :45:43.devolved administrations of Scotland, Wales and Northern

:45:44. > :45:48.Ireland, before triggering Article 50. It is Nicola Sturgeon who

:45:49. > :45:52.responded to the promise of that agreement and made a detailed

:45:53. > :45:57.compromise proposal, one that would protect our place in the single

:45:58. > :46:01.market, have the appropriate arrangements for EU citizens

:46:02. > :46:07.contributing and living here and all of that within the United Kingdom.

:46:08. > :46:12.It isn't she and the Scottish Government ministers who have

:46:13. > :46:18.attended meeting after meeting with UK Government ministers and the

:46:19. > :46:21.Prime Minister and absolutely no concrete progress has come

:46:22. > :46:28.whatsoever from the Tory Government side -- it is she. Contrast that

:46:29. > :46:31.with the leadership offered by Theresa May who, of course,

:46:32. > :46:38.originally warned that Brexit would be a disaster, but it is she that is

:46:39. > :46:41.heading towards the most extreme form of Brexit imaginable. She is

:46:42. > :46:46.planning to take us out of the single market. She wants to keep

:46:47. > :46:51.powers over Scottish agriculture and fisheries at Westminster. She is

:46:52. > :46:57.playing games with EU citizens and she is doing anything that she can

:46:58. > :47:02.to run away from her promise to only proceed once she had an agreement

:47:03. > :47:06.with the Scottish Government. Chewing this week, I asked her three

:47:07. > :47:11.times when she would reach that agreement with the Scottish

:47:12. > :47:15.Government before triggering Article 50, and three times she failed to

:47:16. > :47:22.answer. You might have seen her on Prime Minister's Questions wagging

:47:23. > :47:27.her finger towards Scotland and lecturing us on what is good for us

:47:28. > :47:32.as if we were naughty children who should shut up and sit on the

:47:33. > :47:38.naughty step. Well, I've got news for you, Prime Minister. Your mask

:47:39. > :47:40.has slipped and the real face of Tory arrogance is all to see.

:47:41. > :47:56.APPLAUSE -- is there for all to see.

:47:57. > :48:01.What you're arrogant bluster does not conceal is that you have no

:48:02. > :48:06.intention whatsoever of reaching a deal with the Scottish Government.

:48:07. > :48:10.You intend to break your promise to Scotland and you think that you can

:48:11. > :48:17.get away with it. Well, let me be absolutely clear to Theresa May, you

:48:18. > :48:25.are not going to get away with it. APPLAUSE

:48:26. > :48:27.STUDIO: Angus Robertson at the SNP conference, Nicola Sturgeon

:48:28. > :48:31.listening and looking on and the ongoing row, of course, over the

:48:32. > :48:45.timing of the Scottish independence referendum.

:48:46. > :48:48.Up next, how would you feel if you were told you didn't look

:48:49. > :48:52.Or worse still, that your chances of succeeding are slim

:48:53. > :48:54.because you're a woman or have the wrong colour skin?

:48:55. > :48:57.It might sound like something you would hear decades ago -

:48:58. > :49:00.but those of are the kinds of things some university students are still

:49:01. > :49:04.A survey of more than two thousand students across the UK has found

:49:05. > :49:07.sexist and often discriminatory advice is being given by some

:49:08. > :49:09.employers, fellow professionals and even family and friends to those

:49:10. > :49:11.just starting out on the career ladder.

:49:12. > :49:14.So, just how damaging is this sort of advice and what affect

:49:15. > :49:17.In the studio this morning are James Uffindell

:49:18. > :49:19.from the Bright Network - a network connecting

:49:20. > :49:21.graduates and employers - they also carried out the survey.

:49:22. > :49:23.Postgraduate student Reesha Siniara is also here -

:49:24. > :49:25.she ended up studying English Literature at

:49:26. > :49:27.university and not economics, which is what she really wanted

:49:28. > :49:29.to do, because of careers advice she was given.

:49:30. > :49:31.Also here is third year undergraduate economics student

:49:32. > :49:33.Kiran Kapoor who says negative comments about women not

:49:34. > :49:36.being to achieve have made her more determined to succeed.

:49:37. > :49:38.And lastly, Readha Park, who is 20-year-old maths student

:49:39. > :49:41.from Bristol is here too - she says she's fighting to make it

:49:42. > :49:43.in the male dominated world of finance and receives

:49:44. > :49:55.Thank you all very much for joining us. James, firstly, one of the real

:49:56. > :50:00.crackers with somebody being told, married the boss? Absolutely, we

:50:01. > :50:04.have released our latest research which is with me, it is frankly at

:50:05. > :50:08.the state of careers advice. Lots of work is being done but we need to do

:50:09. > :50:12.a lot more, we have half a million graduates coming out of UK

:50:13. > :50:17.universities this year but 50% of graduate employers do not fill

:50:18. > :50:22.vacancies, we currently work with around 250 top employers like PWC,

:50:23. > :50:26.they want to find the best talent that they are struggling because it

:50:27. > :50:31.does not know about what it can do. Every year in the UK we have around

:50:32. > :50:38.78% graduate and payment rate, in Germany it is only 2%. We are

:50:39. > :50:43.wasting valuable resources. Reesha, I said you wanted to study... You

:50:44. > :50:48.have entered a studying English literature rather than what you

:50:49. > :50:54.wanted to study, why? -- ended up studying English literature? Down to

:50:55. > :50:58.advice given at college. Before I considered going to university I was

:50:59. > :51:02.told that a woman like me would never make it in the Finance and

:51:03. > :51:08.banking industry. What did you take that to mean? This posting did not

:51:09. > :51:13.really know much about me, all they knew was my age, ethnicity and

:51:14. > :51:16.gender. I assumed what they meant was that something to do with that

:51:17. > :51:23.was the reason I would not make it in that industry. The fact it had an

:51:24. > :51:27.effect? They said that teaching would be the easier route for you,

:51:28. > :51:31.that is why I did not think at the time that I would be able to do

:51:32. > :51:36.economic Scunners so I chose English literature. I still love to my

:51:37. > :51:41.degree anyway but I think that advice that such an influential age

:51:42. > :51:45.steered me from the path I wanted to go down. Kiran, you have had

:51:46. > :51:51.negative comments, what have you heard? Talking to people in a casual

:51:52. > :51:56.conversation and you drop that you are doing an internship in banking

:51:57. > :51:58.or going to spring we Goore banking networking event and somebody would

:51:59. > :52:02.make a comment in passing saying I did not think you were the type of

:52:03. > :52:07.the banking, you would think, I didn't know there was a tight and

:52:08. > :52:13.that I do not fit, in your eyes. Are these more generic comments or

:52:14. > :52:17.coming careers advisers? Not just careers advisers but generally

:52:18. > :52:21.people you think of as friends or people you meet at various events,

:52:22. > :52:26.people at university, very generally. Sometimes they don't seem

:52:27. > :52:31.to come across directed but happen in passing, intended with humour

:52:32. > :52:36.attached. Readha, at one stage you were told to be prepared to hit a

:52:37. > :52:41.ceiling in your career, who told you that? Family friends, when my mum

:52:42. > :52:50.tells them what degree I am doing at university, they are quite taken

:52:51. > :52:53.apart and say, why is she studying so hard when she will just end up

:52:54. > :52:56.starting a family and all of that will go to waste? They say I need to

:52:57. > :53:03.be prepared to make a decision whether I want my career or to start

:53:04. > :53:09.a family. What about careers advice? Have you had helpful formal advice?

:53:10. > :53:14.That is individual 's' perspectives, not involved in advising your

:53:15. > :53:18.career? My careers adviser at my school has been really supportive,

:53:19. > :53:26.they have always pushed girls to go into sciences, STEM subjects, making

:53:27. > :53:30.sure they make their way in a male dominated sector. But I had a lady

:53:31. > :53:35.who once told me I should be prepared to hit a glass ceiling

:53:36. > :53:41.because she had to make a choice as well when she got to the age, I will

:53:42. > :53:46.need to do the same. That was a careers adviser? How did that make

:53:47. > :53:50.you feel? I was quite taken aback because I had never really felt any

:53:51. > :53:55.different because of my gender, my mum has raised me and my brother is

:53:56. > :53:59.really equally, I have always been really sporty, part of the Air

:54:00. > :54:03.Cadets, then suddenly having a woman telling me I will need to make a

:54:04. > :54:11.decision and can't have it both is quite shocking, really. James, I

:54:12. > :54:14.know with your research you sought the views of men and women, did many

:54:15. > :54:18.men have examples of terrible careers advice or doesn't seem to be

:54:19. > :54:22.female focused? The more shocking elements came from the women, there

:54:23. > :54:28.was a bit with the men but for example one of members was told,

:54:29. > :54:32.basically, you don't need a career, you are a pretty girl, married the

:54:33. > :54:37.boss and the live of him. It is absolutely shocking, if you think.

:54:38. > :54:40.You don't have too think hard to find that shocking! Another woman

:54:41. > :54:48.was told that as a black female she would never become a successful

:54:49. > :54:56.lawyer. We have been amazed. Who is actually monitoring the sort of

:54:57. > :55:00.advice, the comments being given? In terms of governmental organisation?

:55:01. > :55:03.There is a lot of good work being done in the sector but,

:55:04. > :55:08.fundamentally, lots more needs to be done around this. This is why a set

:55:09. > :55:13.of The Brighton Network, essentially you are sent to university after

:55:14. > :55:17.school and it is what next, lots of career services are doing very good

:55:18. > :55:25.work, but the network giving individual advice is key, that is

:55:26. > :55:30.what we are trying to do at the Bright Network. Female

:55:31. > :55:36.undergraduates expect a starting salary of around 30 K, men expect

:55:37. > :55:43.around 40 K, there is a ten K difference. Why that assumption?

:55:44. > :55:48.Ultimately nobody knows. My sense is that it is qualitative around this

:55:49. > :55:52.kind of advice that we are seeing around we need to get female

:55:53. > :55:57.students believing, as the men often do, that they can strive for the

:55:58. > :55:59.really big careers. Have any of you had examples of being told what you

:56:00. > :56:06.might expect to be paid compared to men? No. I have been told I will

:56:07. > :56:14.have to work harder to reach the same salary as male peers. Who told

:56:15. > :56:17.you that? A teacher at school said I would have to work harder and really

:56:18. > :56:23.make sure that I did my job well to get the same level of play. Either

:56:24. > :56:28.of you? I have had some advice and comments made, not be early age but

:56:29. > :56:32.later, especially, when you think about having a family and want to

:56:33. > :56:36.balance your work and home life, looking after children, you will

:56:37. > :56:40.have to work a lot harder at that stage to try to progress in the same

:56:41. > :56:44.way that men do, men don't need to take these things into consideration

:56:45. > :56:48.but it is something you would have to take into.

:56:49. > :56:52.Similarly, I have been told that bosses tend not to invest in women

:56:53. > :56:57.because they assume that they will go off and have a family, so they

:56:58. > :57:02.would rather progress and give promotions or a pay rise to men. So

:57:03. > :57:10.I should not be expecting the same thing. I said the things that you

:57:11. > :57:16.were told early on impact it on your choices, Reesha, where are you now?

:57:17. > :57:20.When I was told it at that early age, 15 or 16, I took it very

:57:21. > :57:24.seriously. But now I have understood what they meant and how I should not

:57:25. > :57:29.really pay attention, I should succeed and do what I want, so I am

:57:30. > :57:34.doing a Masters in management and have secured a graduate job for

:57:35. > :57:38.September, so I think I have pushed it aside and I have realised that I

:57:39. > :57:48.just need to work hard at what I do and be the best that I can be.

:57:49. > :57:53.Thank you all very much for coming. BBC Newsroom Live is coming up in a

:57:54. > :57:56.few moments, thank you very much for your company. Let me see if we have

:57:57. > :58:02.more comments, we have had so many comments from you on parents caring

:58:03. > :58:08.for disabled children. Sarah says I am a parent to five-year-old with

:58:09. > :58:11.complex health needs and learning difficulties, there are daily

:58:12. > :58:14.attacks of paralysis, we are ritual working households and had to be,

:58:15. > :58:17.there was no support for working families and services are often

:58:18. > :58:22.confused. Thank you for all your comments on

:58:23. > :58:23.that story and for your company. Have a lovely weekend, see you very

:58:24. > :58:32.soon. Goodbye. It's great that you could

:58:33. > :58:33.come in for this, Lenny. So in terms of things for you

:58:34. > :58:38.on the night itself... Right. Siobhan's been doing a... So this

:58:39. > :58:42.year the idea is...funny.