30/03/2017

:00:07. > :00:09.Hello it's Thursday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:13.Taking back powers from Europe; we'll ask which European laws

:00:14. > :00:15.will the Government keep after Brexit, which ones will go,

:00:16. > :00:21.And as the insurance market, Lloyds of London, says it's setting

:00:22. > :00:24.up a base in Brussels, we'll ask if more big

:00:25. > :00:28.Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:00:29. > :00:38.and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities

:00:39. > :00:43.Here in Westminster, we'll discuss the great repeal bill.

:00:44. > :00:46.Also this morning, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:00:47. > :00:50.and Prince Harry release a series of films of celebrities

:00:51. > :00:53.talking about mental health for their Heads Together campaign.

:00:54. > :00:59.If I start talking about problems, one, the people who followed me

:01:00. > :01:02.through my career, they're going to turn their backs on me because they

:01:03. > :01:07.think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think of me differently.

:01:08. > :01:08.Did that happen? No, it was the complete opposite!

:01:09. > :01:12.The campaign urges people to open up to a friend or colleague; we'll

:01:13. > :01:14.speak to people who've done exactly that.

:01:15. > :01:17.And, as new guidelines on sugar in food are published we'll talk

:01:18. > :01:19.to industry insiders about how manufacturers are juggling

:01:20. > :01:31.the pressure to make products more healthy without losing sales.

:01:32. > :01:35.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:36. > :01:46.Imagine you finally get a statue, and it looks like that!

:01:47. > :01:49.It's a new statue of Cristiano Ronaldo which has been

:01:50. > :01:51.unveiled on the Portuguese island of Madeira.

:01:52. > :01:54.He's putting a brave face on it, but if you were him,

:01:55. > :02:02.His fans on social media have been less than complimentary!

:02:03. > :02:07.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:02:08. > :02:11.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:02:12. > :02:20.According to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, and Prince Harry, they

:02:21. > :02:23.believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to talking about

:02:24. > :02:28.mental health. Do you think the stigma is finally being broken down

:02:29. > :02:31.or not, let me know. We'll talk a lot about it after 9. 30.

:02:32. > :02:37.Plans to repatriate powers from the European Union will be

:02:38. > :02:40.published today in a draft of what's known as The Great Repeal Bill.

:02:41. > :02:42.Having formally triggered Brexit, ministers are promising

:02:43. > :02:46.a smooth transition, with the incorporation

:02:47. > :02:49.of thousands of pieces of EU law into UK legislation.

:02:50. > :02:52.But this morning the insurance market, Lloyds of London,

:02:53. > :02:57.said it's setting up a base in Brussels - to maintain a presence

:02:58. > :03:08.Our political correspondent, Eleanor Garnier, reports.

:03:09. > :03:12.Cometh the hour, cometh the moment, in Westminster, Belfast,

:03:13. > :03:15.Edinburgh and Cardiff - the exact moment the UK took

:03:16. > :03:22.This is an historic moment from which there is no turning back.

:03:23. > :03:25.The letter, hand-delivered by our man in Brussels, telling

:03:26. > :03:31.Written in a deliberately conciliatory tone.

:03:32. > :03:33.But a hint, too, of the steel in Mrs May's stance.

:03:34. > :03:36.No overt threat to walk away, but a serious warning,

:03:37. > :03:41.as she wrote "a failure to reach an agreement would mean our

:03:42. > :03:42.cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism

:03:43. > :03:48.We must therefore work hard to avoid that outcome."

:03:49. > :03:52.A sentence that certainly raised eyebrows, here,

:03:53. > :03:58.But despite all the difficulties, Mrs May promised our relationship

:03:59. > :04:05.with the rest of the continent will be just as good after Brexit.

:04:06. > :04:09.What we are both looking for is that comprehensive trade agreement,

:04:10. > :04:12.which gives that ability to trade freely into the European

:04:13. > :04:17.And for them, and for them to trade with us.

:04:18. > :04:19.It would be a different relationship, but I think it can

:04:20. > :04:31.have the same benefits in terms of that free access to trade.

:04:32. > :04:35.Labour insisted it would hold the government

:04:36. > :04:40.More than ever, Britain needs a government that will deliver

:04:41. > :04:43.for the whole country, not just the few.

:04:44. > :04:45.And that is the ultimate test of the Brexit deal

:04:46. > :04:47.that the Prime Minister must now secure.

:04:48. > :04:52.Two years to untangle a 40-year relationship,

:04:53. > :04:54.to unpick all the interwoven regulations and legislation.

:04:55. > :04:57.That task starts today, with more detail from the government

:04:58. > :04:59.on how it plans to bring EU powers back to Westminster.

:05:00. > :05:01.Eleanor Garnier, BBC News, Westminster.

:05:02. > :05:06.Our Political Guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

:05:07. > :05:12.Why are Lloyds of London setting up a base in Brussels? To keep their

:05:13. > :05:16.options open like a lot of big financial institutions. They want to

:05:17. > :05:19.see how the negotiations pan out. The real concern is that the sort of

:05:20. > :05:23.deal they have at the moment where we have so-called passporting rites

:05:24. > :05:27.which basically means they can sell their services across the EU with no

:05:28. > :05:36.additional complications, administrative burdens and so on,

:05:37. > :05:43.that might go out the window and any new EU deal, for that it could mean

:05:44. > :05:47.a massive headache. So new bases are being set up in Europe in case

:05:48. > :05:51.things go spectacularly wrong. It chimes with what we know is a good

:05:52. > :05:58.deal of nervousness in the City about how all this might shape up.

:05:59. > :06:04.JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, they may possibly have to redeploy thousands

:06:05. > :06:10.of people in the EU rather than keeping them in Britain. One thing

:06:11. > :06:15.to say in the letter yesterday which Mrs May sent to the President of the

:06:16. > :06:17.European Council, Don add tusk, she specifically talks about the

:06:18. > :06:23.financial sector and what she referred to as network industries --

:06:24. > :06:27.Donald Tusk. They seem to be moving towards a special deal for the City

:06:28. > :06:31.and other key industries to make sure that they are not too damaged

:06:32. > :06:38.or hurt and there's not too much change following Brexit. And this

:06:39. > :06:41.job of importing thousands and thousands of EU laws, enshrining

:06:42. > :06:47.them in British law, that is massive isn't it? It's huge. I kind of think

:06:48. > :06:54.of it about being dropped in the Borneo jungle and having to hack

:06:55. > :07:00.your way through lots of legislative paperwork. We have got 40 years, 40

:07:01. > :07:03.years! 40 years of EU rules and regulations which we have got to

:07:04. > :07:07.translate basically into British law. I heard someone say it was

:07:08. > :07:11.something like 80,000 different pieces of legislation. That is

:07:12. > :07:15.colossal. What does that mean? There's not going to be much time

:07:16. > :07:18.for the Government to do anything else but Brexit. Interestingly, we

:07:19. > :07:22.heard from the man who was going to be in charge of procedure in the

:07:23. > :07:26.Commons, the clerk of the Commons, this morning say, this won't take

:07:27. > :07:30.two years, it could go on for a decade, in other words, for many,

:07:31. > :07:44.many years after we have even left the European Union.

:07:45. > :07:46.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:07:47. > :07:51.A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has

:07:52. > :07:56.The aircraft is believed to have been travelling

:07:57. > :07:58.from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.

:07:59. > :08:01.A land search is underway but the aerial search had to be

:08:02. > :08:09.The weather conditions have not improved and the coastguard can't

:08:10. > :08:13.continue the search until the weather does improve. The aircraft

:08:14. > :08:18.is privately owned. There were five individuals on board. It was

:08:19. > :08:22.destined to arrive in Dublin but it left Milton Keynes yesterday morning

:08:23. > :08:29.shortly before midday. It was due to stop here at can air van Airport. It

:08:30. > :08:37.did not arrive. Communications were lost. It went missing from the

:08:38. > :08:42.radar. The coastguard was alerted immediately -- Caernarfon. The

:08:43. > :08:45.operation yesterday involved two coastguard helicopters that searched

:08:46. > :08:49.across North Wales right through to Dublin via land and sea, and

:08:50. > :08:53.unfortunately, due to the weather conditions, that had to be called

:08:54. > :08:57.off late last night. Now, the search operation was continued on land by

:08:58. > :09:00.North Wales police. They've introduced Mountain Rescue Teams, to

:09:01. > :09:06.seem the land, and that is continuing this morning. We don't

:09:07. > :09:10.know a great deal about these five individuals, we know that it was a

:09:11. > :09:16.red helicopter. Members of the public have been asked to dial 999

:09:17. > :09:20.if they saw that helicopter at any point yesterday afternoon in the

:09:21. > :09:24.area. Now, the search should be continuing this morning. Time is of

:09:25. > :09:28.the essence. The coastguard will not allow that search to resume unless

:09:29. > :09:34.these weather conditions improve significantly in the next few hours.

:09:35. > :09:37.New guidelines for the amount of sugar that should be in everyday

:09:38. > :09:39.foods from breakfast cereals to chocolate bars have been

:09:40. > :09:44.The aim is to cut the amount of sugar children consume by 20%

:09:45. > :09:56.Our Health Correspondent, Jane Dreaper has the details.

:09:57. > :09:58.The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry have released

:09:59. > :10:01.a series of films as part of their Heads Together campaign

:10:02. > :10:04.designed to encourage people to talk about mental health.

:10:05. > :10:08.The project aims to help end the stigma around mental health.

:10:09. > :10:10.The former England cricket captain Andrew Flintoff

:10:11. > :10:12.and the rapper Professor Green, were among the celebrities who've

:10:13. > :10:21.The hardest thing for me was initially talking. We don't talk,

:10:22. > :10:24.I'm from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk

:10:25. > :10:28.about our feelings. It was no different for me growing up in a

:10:29. > :10:31.council estate in East London, it was not something you spoke about.

:10:32. > :10:33.And Victoria will be speaking to some of the people

:10:34. > :10:38.featured in the new campaign in a few minutes time.

:10:39. > :10:41.There's been a big increase in the number of cases of child

:10:42. > :10:43.sexual exploitation in Greater Manchester.

:10:44. > :10:46.A report by the Stockport MP, Ann Coffey, says more

:10:47. > :10:49.than 1700 children have been identified some of them victims,

:10:50. > :10:54.The figure is four times higher than when the last report

:10:55. > :10:58.A federal judge in the US state of Hawaii has extended

:10:59. > :11:02.the suspension of President Trump's travel ban for an indefinite period.

:11:03. > :11:05.It means Mr Trump will be barred from enforcing his revised ban

:11:06. > :11:10.on six mostly Muslim states while it is contested in court.

:11:11. > :11:14.Organisers of the Oscars say they will continue to work

:11:15. > :11:17.with the accountancy firm, PwC, despite the mistake which led

:11:18. > :11:20.to "La La Land" being wrongly announced as the winner

:11:21. > :11:23.of Best Picture, instead of Moonlight.

:11:24. > :11:26.This is the moment Hollywood realised someone hadn't

:11:27. > :11:29.followed the script at the ceremony last month.

:11:30. > :11:32.To make sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year,

:11:33. > :11:34.there will be an extra accountant on hand, and electronic devices

:11:35. > :11:44.That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30.

:11:45. > :11:48.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:11:49. > :11:52.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:11:53. > :12:04.We'd be really interested if you could share with us the first

:12:05. > :12:10.conversation you had with us when realising you had problems. Let me

:12:11. > :12:13.know about the very first conversation you had and we'll share

:12:14. > :12:17.those with the nation this morning if that's OK with you. You don't

:12:18. > :12:19.have to give me your name if you don't want to, it's fine if you

:12:20. > :12:36.prefer to be anonymous. Sport now with Jess. Jo Pavey gets

:12:37. > :12:42.the medal she's been craving? Yes, and sadly it comes ten years after

:12:43. > :12:46.the fact. This centred around the 2007 World Championships when the

:12:47. > :12:52.distance runner finished fourth but because the Turkish athlete that

:12:53. > :12:57.finished third in the bronze position was found to have failed a

:12:58. > :13:02.drugs test in competition, retrospectively after her sample was

:13:03. > :13:07.retested, so that means Pavey has been upgraded to the bronze medal.

:13:08. > :13:12.You see her after that race, she was exhausted. She crossed the line in

:13:13. > :13:19.fourth. She was flat on her back and felt she'd let everyone down because

:13:20. > :13:21.she was out of the medals. Pavey says that athletes who're found to

:13:22. > :13:26.have doped should have all the results wiped from the records and

:13:27. > :13:31.that would be the biggest deterrent against doping. From that

:13:32. > :13:35.experience, Pavey has admitted that she changed her race tactics. What

:13:36. > :13:39.was to be the biggest result of her career she says is now bitter sweet

:13:40. > :13:47.because she missed out on her moment on the podium.

:13:48. > :13:50.Football transfer speculation around, including about Arsenal's

:13:51. > :13:54.Alexi Sanchez? Yes, interesting quotes coming from the Arsenal star

:13:55. > :13:58.who's been speaking at an event in Chile. He says he's happy in London,

:13:59. > :14:02.he hopes to finish his contract at Arsenal, but he wants to be with a

:14:03. > :14:06.team that has winning mentality. Now, if you take a lack at Arsenal's

:14:07. > :14:11.form, it's not very good at the moment. They've fallen down to sixth

:14:12. > :14:14.in the Premier League, four defeats in the last five games. Not sure

:14:15. > :14:18.that suggests they have a winning mentality at the moment, so they may

:14:19. > :14:23.well struggle to hold on to the top goal-scorer. We know Sanchez's

:14:24. > :14:26.contract negotiations are on hold until the summer. Interestingly,

:14:27. > :14:31.Arsene Wenger has a press conference this morning so we may well get an

:14:32. > :14:37.update on that or at least some reaction to what Sanchez as said.

:14:38. > :14:40.Also reaction to Arsene Wenger's future. He said he knows what he

:14:41. > :14:44.wants to do about his future, we are waiting for him to tell us what it

:14:45. > :14:50.is. An update on that later this morning. And this statue of

:14:51. > :14:57.Cristiano Ronaldo, the reaction continues to give us food for

:14:58. > :15:02.thought? It's been funny on social media. How many people get an

:15:03. > :15:07.airport named after them. But that's not what's causing the headlines,

:15:08. > :15:10.it's this statue. So this bust was made in his honour and it's supposed

:15:11. > :15:18.to look like him. I don't know what you think, but I'm not convinced it

:15:19. > :15:23.looks anything like him. We have had funny reaction from the world of

:15:24. > :15:34.social media. Presenter Dan Walker tweeted this: We've had a few other

:15:35. > :15:40.look-alikes that maybe look like the Bust. How about Mr Incredible, what

:15:41. > :15:53.do you think? Perfect! Brilliant. That's all the sport, more later.

:15:54. > :15:55.At least 20% less sugar in biscuits, chocolate bars

:15:56. > :15:57.and breakfast cereals by 2020 - that's the challenge to the food

:15:58. > :16:00.and drink industry from health officials in an attempt to reduce

:16:01. > :16:10.child obesity, which they describe as an "urgent problem".

:16:11. > :16:15.A number of food manufacturers have already pledged to cut sugar in

:16:16. > :16:18.their foods. But Public Health England

:16:19. > :16:20.say things like cakes, yogurts and even some bakery

:16:21. > :16:22.products such as croissants and croissants are just some

:16:23. > :16:25.of the products that They say sugar content

:16:26. > :16:30.can be reduced by... encouraging people to buy low-

:16:31. > :16:33.or no-sugar alternatives, or changing the recipes

:16:34. > :16:36.of products to cut down sugar. But alarmingly, even if sugar levels

:16:37. > :16:38.were reduced by a fifth, youngsters would still be exceeding

:16:39. > :16:40.the recommended daily A third of children

:16:41. > :16:44.going to secondary school The group that represents food

:16:45. > :16:54.and drink manufacturers says they are listening to calls

:16:55. > :16:58.to reduce sugar in products. We've been reducing salt -

:16:59. > :17:01.now we're focusing more on sugar. The industry understands

:17:02. > :17:02.that consumers want more options, and they

:17:03. > :17:05.are providing them. They are changing

:17:06. > :17:07.the recipe of products. It's something that's

:17:08. > :17:09.going to have to be done quite gradually, but it's something that's

:17:10. > :17:11.going to make a real Particularly for those products

:17:12. > :17:15.where it's not possible to substitute the sugar,

:17:16. > :17:17.we are going to see things get smaller, and it's right that

:17:18. > :17:19.Public Health England are out there today saying to people,

:17:20. > :17:22.you need to expect that this Obesity, childhood obesity

:17:23. > :17:25.particularly, is a really serious We've got to tackle it,

:17:26. > :17:29.and one of the consequences is that we're going to see the recipes of

:17:30. > :17:32.favourite products change gradually, and we're going to see some

:17:33. > :17:35.of our favourite products get a bit We can now speak to food sociologist

:17:36. > :17:42.and advisor at Action on Sugar Professor Jack Winkler,

:17:43. > :17:46.food consultant Jane Milton, nutritionist Azmina Govinji,

:17:47. > :17:51.and food taster Jennifer Earle. Health bosses want children

:17:52. > :18:08.to consume 20% less sugar by 2020. We eat too much? Yes. Yes. It is not

:18:09. > :18:15.going to be compulsory. That makes it better. Why? Because you don't

:18:16. > :18:17.have to go through the whole extended legal wrangle of getting

:18:18. > :18:23.everybody to agree and put it in law. What if they don't do it? They

:18:24. > :18:26.will do it, though. Manufacturers want to produce proof that people

:18:27. > :18:33.want to buy, otherwise they would go out of business. If people want food

:18:34. > :18:40.that has less sugar in it, they will find ways to do that. Do people want

:18:41. > :18:45.to have foods which are less sugary? We have brought our children up to

:18:46. > :18:50.enjoy sugary foods, so I think it is a wider issue. There is an emphasis

:18:51. > :18:57.on the manufacturer, but also, labelling, marketing, enabling

:18:58. > :19:00.parents to make healthy choices. But I think people know they should be

:19:01. > :19:09.having less sugar but it is very hard to know. There is too much

:19:10. > :19:14.information, so if we can make the manufacturers have less sugar, then

:19:15. > :19:17.at least those choices, they will automatically be reducing the sugar

:19:18. > :19:24.in their diet. A lot of companies are doing that already. I think

:19:25. > :19:29.also, you have to understand what sugar does in some things. Sugar

:19:30. > :19:34.makes chicken dishes that you make at home go brown on top, because you

:19:35. > :19:42.put a little bit of honey and the source. Or it makes risk it's --

:19:43. > :19:46.biscuits have a crisp taste. There are roles played by sugar, and we

:19:47. > :19:52.will have to decide which of those things we are prepared to have

:19:53. > :19:59.differently, and which we will have less of. Enjoy the things you love,

:20:00. > :20:03.but have less of it. Exactly, portion size is crucial. I think we

:20:04. > :20:10.need to target the appropriate foods. If we start targeting chicken

:20:11. > :20:15.in a sauce... It is pretty much as you would expect, biscuits,

:20:16. > :20:22.puddings, pastries, ice cream. One of the key points in that whole

:20:23. > :20:25.document is, they say, focus on the big seven products. If you do that,

:20:26. > :20:32.then you can have a public health impact. We know that teenagers drink

:20:33. > :20:36.around 30% of their sugar through soft strings, so that is an easy

:20:37. > :20:43.way, cut the sugar in soft drinks. I think the unintended consequence of

:20:44. > :20:46.looking too much at sugar is that we might be demonising food which is

:20:47. > :20:52.otherwise healthy. A whole-grain breakfast cereal gives you nutrients

:20:53. > :20:56.and fibre. Yes, we need to reduce the sugar in these so-called kids

:20:57. > :21:02.cereals, but let's not demonise the food. But there is sugar which has a

:21:03. > :21:06.purpose, like the Browning or the texture, but then there is sugar

:21:07. > :21:10.which is added because it is a cheap ingredient. It has been about

:21:11. > :21:14.reducing the amount of cocoa, adding more sugar, it is only being done

:21:15. > :21:18.because it is cheap, it does not make the chocolate taste any better.

:21:19. > :21:24.When you give the kids chocolate which has more cocoa than sugar,

:21:25. > :21:27.they like it just as much. But it makes the chocolate bar considerably

:21:28. > :21:31.more expensive. Of course, what they might do is just to make the

:21:32. > :21:42.chocolate bar smaller. And then buy two of them! Is such a lazy way of

:21:43. > :21:48.getting around this. It is worse than that. If you make it smaller,

:21:49. > :21:54.the big issue is that many companies have actually kept the price is the

:21:55. > :21:58.same, or even raised them. I heard a representative on the radio this

:21:59. > :22:03.morning, when asked, if you make it smaller, will the price come down?

:22:04. > :22:13.Well, no, not necessarily. It is a good way to raise prices. There is

:22:14. > :22:19.always price inflation anyway. If it is chocolate products, cocoa getting

:22:20. > :22:23.dearer, the prices will go up. But I think although a lot of people have

:22:24. > :22:29.reformulated soft drinks, people need to change their palate to want

:22:30. > :22:36.less sugar in their diet. One of the things about switching from sugar to

:22:37. > :22:42.things like maple syrup or two lower calorie versions of sugar is and

:22:43. > :22:50.sweeteners, it still makes people want sugary food. And there has to

:22:51. > :22:55.be a shift to the way we think. Coming out of the Second World War,

:22:56. > :22:59.people hadn't had that much sugar and they did not have the money to

:23:00. > :23:03.have it. We are more affluent now so we are able to have more of it. And

:23:04. > :23:14.so I think we've got to re-educate people. Honey monster puffs, they

:23:15. > :23:21.have cut the sugar by 41%. They used to be the highest sugar breakfast

:23:22. > :23:27.cereal. It used to be sugar puffs. Yes, it did. Firstly, they never

:23:28. > :23:32.said it is lower sugar, and secondly, it took them 25 years to

:23:33. > :23:35.do it. If we look at assault as the model, we have been really

:23:36. > :23:39.successful at cutting down the salt over the years, we haven't told the

:23:40. > :23:42.consumer, but the industry has been fantastic at making these changes.

:23:43. > :23:47.Bread is much less assaulted and it was ten years ago. And I believe we

:23:48. > :23:55.can do that with sugar. -- if we look at assault. It is about how

:23:56. > :24:01.practical it is, and I think this gradual change is what needs to

:24:02. > :24:08.happen. For the price benefits, we have been trained to expect the

:24:09. > :24:14.sweetness in our food. Like the salt model, if you reduce the sugar, even

:24:15. > :24:17.if it is done gradually, change into smaller portions does not change the

:24:18. > :24:23.core of the problem, that we are addicted to the taste of sugar. What

:24:24. > :24:27.do you say, Professor, to those who say that because these guidelines

:24:28. > :24:30.are voluntary for the food and drink industry, and the Government has not

:24:31. > :24:35.realised how serious the problem is, we have got the sugary drinks levy

:24:36. > :24:40.being introduced in April, that was from the child obesity plan last

:24:41. > :24:44.year? We have referred to the most successful policy in Britain since

:24:45. > :24:49.the Second World War, which was the salt. It was entirely voluntary. The

:24:50. > :24:55.reason being that they learned from the EU's experience. For decades,

:24:56. > :24:59.the European Union tried to harmonise, as they call it, food

:25:00. > :25:06.composition laws, and never got a single one done, because everybody

:25:07. > :25:13.was defending the way they did it in their country, or their brand.

:25:14. > :25:19.Voluntary guidelines, at least you can act on them quickly. And the

:25:20. > :25:23.industry does want to make food that people want to buy. So if there is

:25:24. > :25:29.demand for it, and that is what we saw with salt, people wanted that to

:25:30. > :25:33.happen just I also think traffic lighting on products, which makes it

:25:34. > :25:37.easier to see the composition, will mean that they will not be adding

:25:38. > :25:38.things which would be dapper mental, according to the traffic light

:25:39. > :26:11.signals. Thank you all of you. The mother of a man believed

:26:12. > :26:14.to have left the country after a four-year-old girl

:26:15. > :26:17.was killed by a car has pleaded Violet Grace Youens died

:26:18. > :26:23.after being struck by a stolen vehicle while walking

:26:24. > :26:25.through St Helens, Police are trying to trace 23

:26:26. > :26:28.year old Aidan McAteer, who is believed to have left

:26:29. > :26:31.the country hours after the crash. I'm joined by our

:26:32. > :26:36.correspondent Lisa Hampele. I stolen black Ford Fiesta hit

:26:37. > :26:39.four-year-old Violet as she was walking in St Helens with her

:26:40. > :26:44.grandmother. That was on Friday and she died in hospital the next stage

:26:45. > :26:49.of her grandmother is now in a stable condition in hospital,

:26:50. > :26:53.serious but stable. We know that Merseyside Police released CCTV

:26:54. > :26:57.images of two men fleeing the scene shortly afterwards. And there is an

:26:58. > :27:07.image of a man that they want to trace. What happened is that Alicia

:27:08. > :27:11.McAteer recognised her son, 23-year-old Aiden McGeady, and she

:27:12. > :27:22.recognised the picture and she now says that she wants him to come

:27:23. > :27:30.forward. What I'm feeling is dreadful. But I wake up and the

:27:31. > :27:35.first thought is that family. And Aidan coming home is not going to

:27:36. > :27:40.make it better, nothing is ever going to make it better for that

:27:41. > :27:44.family. But maybe they could get a bit of relief, knowing that the

:27:45. > :27:54.police have got him. Aidan knows how much I love him. And I know how much

:27:55. > :28:03.he loves me. We can do this together. No-one else. I will get

:28:04. > :28:13.him through this, with every last breath I've got, I will get him

:28:14. > :28:20.through it. I'm not condoning anything, but what has happened has

:28:21. > :28:24.happened, with him. And obviously, this family have got an horrific

:28:25. > :28:30.time, an horrific life... She was a little girl, and never going to get

:28:31. > :28:33.over that, ever. But if you come home, wherever he is, I will be

:28:34. > :28:41.there every step of the way with him. So that was the mother of Aidan

:28:42. > :28:47.McAteer. And this is the little girl who lost her life. What has her mum

:28:48. > :28:52.said? Well, she has posted a message on Facebook Thomas Aiken, my

:28:53. > :28:56.beautiful little girl has passed away in my arms. She says, though

:28:57. > :29:00.she is heartbroken, she is very proud because her daughter was able

:29:01. > :29:05.to donate some of her organs. There has been a court appearance, another

:29:06. > :29:14.man has appeared before Liverpool Magistrate's Court, Dean Brennan,

:29:15. > :29:17.charged with theft of a motor vehicle and assisting an offender.

:29:18. > :29:22.And also a third man was arrested on suspicion of being, carrying a

:29:23. > :29:29.stolen vehicle, but he has been released pending further enquiries.

:29:30. > :29:34.Still to come: The high profile campaign to get us talking about

:29:35. > :29:37.mental health. I came here and interviewed a person with depression

:29:38. > :29:40.and I could see the person with depression looking at me and

:29:41. > :29:56.thinking, you are way sicker than I am.

:29:57. > :29:59.Plans to repatriate over 40 years worth of powers

:30:00. > :30:02.from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

:30:03. > :30:06.The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

:30:07. > :30:11.House of Commons officials have described the process as one

:30:12. > :30:14.of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

:30:15. > :30:26.David Davis explained how it would work. What it does is, 40 years of

:30:27. > :30:31.European law, transfer that into UK law. It's not a straightforward

:30:32. > :30:36.process but it is a limited process. We have to do that in a way that

:30:37. > :30:39.works, so all the law works. That means when we start on the new trade

:30:40. > :30:45.deal, we are many the same place as every other country in Europe. After

:30:46. > :30:48.that, we'll have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other

:30:49. > :30:51.things. That will be done substantially by Parliament.

:30:52. > :30:54.There'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those

:30:55. > :30:58.decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't

:30:59. > :31:01.underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's

:31:02. > :31:03.not beyond us. The Insurance Market,

:31:04. > :31:06.Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new subsidiary in Brussels

:31:07. > :31:10.in early 2019 because of It's concerned that once the UK has

:31:11. > :31:15.left the EU it will lose the right to sell its products

:31:16. > :31:22.across the single market. The Chief Executive said customers

:31:23. > :31:26.shouldn't be worried about the move. Nothing to worry about. In fact it

:31:27. > :31:30.helps secure the future of Lloyds. About 5% of our business is impacted

:31:31. > :31:34.by the UK coming out of the EU and we want to be able to provide

:31:35. > :31:38.continuous coverage and continue to issue insurance policies for

:31:39. > :31:43.customers based in the EU hence the need to set up an EU subsidiary.

:31:44. > :31:46.A privately-owned helicopter with five people on board has

:31:47. > :31:49.The aircraft is believed to have been travelling

:31:50. > :31:52.from Milton Keynes to Dublin, via Caernarfon Bay.

:31:53. > :31:55.A land search is under way but the aerial search had to be

:31:56. > :32:09.Health officials have published guidelines on the limits of sugar

:32:10. > :32:16.they believe should be put on foods. It aims to cut the sugar consumed by

:32:17. > :32:20.children by 20% this decade. Children consume three times more

:32:21. > :32:27.sugar each day than they should, putting them at risk of serious

:32:28. > :32:32.illnesses. More from me at 10. Thank you very much for your messages.

:32:33. > :32:34.This tweet from Nina. When my partner showed he was

:32:35. > :32:40.non-judgmental, understanding and saw me as a person, not as my eating

:32:41. > :32:45.disorder, I was able to talk. And this from Simon, I left my mental

:32:46. > :32:48.health conversation for nearly two decades too long but when I did, my

:32:49. > :32:52.life began to improve immediately. I've got many more, keep them coming

:32:53. > :32:56.in. I'm going to read quite a lot of them in the next half hour when we

:32:57. > :33:00.talk about this. Before that, here is the sport.

:33:01. > :33:08.Arsene Wenger refused to confirm whether he'll remain as Arsenal

:33:09. > :33:13.Speaking at a press conference ahead of this weekend's match

:33:14. > :33:15.against Manchester City, Wenger said he could be at the club

:33:16. > :33:22.Britain's Jo Pavey says it's a bittersweet feeling to receive

:33:23. > :33:25.a bronze medal from the 10,000 metres world championships in Japan

:33:26. > :33:31.She's been upgraded after the athlete who took

:33:32. > :33:33.the silver medal was retrospectively disqualified for doping.

:33:34. > :33:36.Johanna Konta is into the semi finals of the Miami Open

:33:37. > :33:39.after beating Simona Halep in three sets.

:33:40. > :33:42.She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, overnight.

:33:43. > :33:45.And Manchester City's women take a one nil aggregate lead

:33:46. > :33:48.into their Champions League quarter final second leg at home to Danish

:33:49. > :33:57.It's City's first season in the competition.

:33:58. > :34:06.How do you shatter the stigma around mental health?

:34:07. > :34:10.One way is to simply talk about it according to the Duke and Duchess

:34:11. > :34:13.of Cambridge and Prince Harry who've released a series of films as part

:34:14. > :34:16.of their Heads Together mental health campaign.

:34:17. > :34:22.We're going to talk to some of the people featured in those

:34:23. > :34:27.films in just a moment; they're here in the studio talking

:34:28. > :34:32.about the conversations they had with friends,

:34:33. > :34:39.loved ones, and relatives about their own mental health

:34:40. > :34:42.issues; but first here's one of the films commissioned

:34:43. > :34:47.by the Royals, featuring former England cricketer Andrew Flintoff

:34:48. > :35:06.I think I was born with anxiety. I was brought up by my grandmother, my

:35:07. > :35:11.mum was 16 when I was born, my mum was the first person to leave when I

:35:12. > :35:15.was a year old. I was 24 and my dad took his own life and it wasn't

:35:16. > :35:19.until years later when I did a documentary for the BBC, I had a

:35:20. > :35:23.conversation with my nan. It's weird this happened for the first time on

:35:24. > :35:27.camera, but we spoke about it properly. I broke down. I was

:35:28. > :35:30.petrified. It scared me, people are going to see me at my most

:35:31. > :35:33.vulnerable in a way that I don't often see myself. But that

:35:34. > :35:36.conversation changed everything because from that point everything

:35:37. > :35:40.was out in the open and I was able to then talk to my friends about it

:35:41. > :35:46.because my friends watched the programme. I knew that something's

:35:47. > :35:51.not right for a long time. And I ran away from it. This is not me, this

:35:52. > :35:55.is not happening. I bumbled on for a little bit. Then I started, you

:35:56. > :36:01.know, living differently. I probably started to drink too much and tried

:36:02. > :36:05.to escape how I was feeling. Then I did this documentary like you did

:36:06. > :36:11.and I spoke to Ricky Hatton about this and Neil Lennon and Graham Dot,

:36:12. > :36:15.the spooker player, I was listening to them identifying and thinking,

:36:16. > :36:18.I've been through this. Ricky Hatton, actually you've gone through

:36:19. > :36:23.this, you are one of the hardest people I know and you can talk about

:36:24. > :36:26.it. I started thinking, if I start talking about problems, one, the

:36:27. > :36:29.people who followed me through my career, they're going to turn their

:36:30. > :36:34.backs on me because they think I'm one thing, everyone's going to think

:36:35. > :36:38.differently. Did that happen? No! It was the complete opposite. It was

:36:39. > :36:45.like, people come up to me and said, wow, and then they'd start telling

:36:46. > :36:50.me about how they'd feel. I even had mates that I'd never think about. We

:36:51. > :36:54.then had different conversations. You have to be honest. Then you have

:36:55. > :36:58.a conversation with someone and you engage with what you are talking

:36:59. > :37:03.about, you do unload everything and for me it's never planned, it always

:37:04. > :37:07.just comes out at a random time but the feeling of relief afterwards...

:37:08. > :37:14.It does feel like a weight's lifted, doesn't it? Yes. But the hardest

:37:15. > :37:17.thing for me initially was the hardest thing. I don't talk, I'm

:37:18. > :37:21.from the north of England, a working class family, we don't talk about

:37:22. > :37:25.our feelings! Yes, yes, it was no different for me, a council estate

:37:26. > :37:29.in East London, I'm from, it's not something you spoke about. To me it

:37:30. > :37:34.seems a shame it's taken us all these years to be open and vocal

:37:35. > :37:39.about things. It's crazy when it opens up, it just comes from being

:37:40. > :37:43.vocal. That one time. It's made me a happier person. I have less downs

:37:44. > :37:49.and more ups with being honest about how I feel. Andrew Flintoff and

:37:50. > :37:52.Professor Green. Almost half of us have discussed

:37:53. > :37:54.mental health issues recently, and 8 out of 10 who did,

:37:55. > :37:57.thought the conversations That's according to a YouGov

:37:58. > :38:00.survey for Heads Together. Opening up to someone for the first

:38:01. > :38:03.time about a mental health issue Once that conversation

:38:04. > :38:06.starts, it could be Let's talk to six people

:38:07. > :38:09.who've taken that step. Paramedic Dan Farnworth

:38:10. > :38:11.and his colleague Rich Morton, friends Anni Ferguson

:38:12. > :38:16.and Naa-Affie Delalande-Zankor and husband and wife,

:38:17. > :38:19.Julie and Phil Eaglesham. And jst to say our conversations

:38:20. > :38:23.this morning are going to be frank open and you might find

:38:24. > :38:34.some details upsetting. Welcome all of you. Thank you so

:38:35. > :38:40.much for coming on the programme. Dan, what were the warning signs

:38:41. > :38:47.that something was wrong? For me, it was probably a six-month period of

:38:48. > :38:52.slow decline. It related to flashbacks from a traumatic incident

:38:53. > :38:57.that we attended at work which was ultimately the murder of a child

:38:58. > :39:02.which for anybody would be really difficult to contend and deal with.

:39:03. > :39:05.But for me, I was having vivid flashbacks, I was having nightmares.

:39:06. > :39:09.During the day I'd find myself sat there, the TV would be on, I would

:39:10. > :39:13.be staring at the wall, I wouldn't be talking to anybody, I'd just be

:39:14. > :39:16.thinking about what had happened. I felt myself slowly getting into a

:39:17. > :39:21.deeper and darker hole. It got to the point where I felt the world was

:39:22. > :39:25.passing by above my head. That's where you came in really and the

:39:26. > :39:29.conversation started. I knew I needed help. I was really scared of

:39:30. > :39:33.opening up and talking about mental health. I was scared that that would

:39:34. > :39:38.mean I couldn't do my job any more which is absolutely not the case. I

:39:39. > :39:42.was scared to open up to my wife, I was scared that she'd think it was a

:39:43. > :39:46.sign of weakness, you know, how can our men be like that, we are there

:39:47. > :39:50.to drive everything forward and support the family, how can I admit

:39:51. > :39:55.there was a problem. So I sent you a text didn't I mate and it developed

:39:56. > :39:58.from there. You eventually wrote a text, deleted it, wrote it again,

:39:59. > :40:02.deleted it and it was the third time I think... It was scary. Then you

:40:03. > :40:06.shoved your phone under the pillow because you didn't know what the

:40:07. > :40:10.response would be? I was scared. I was admitting for the first time to

:40:11. > :40:17.somebody that I had an issue, that I needed help. And Rich, what was your

:40:18. > :40:21.response? I'll come round, have a chat, but it was quite a big deal

:40:22. > :40:28.for me to get back to you and think about what I'm going to expect when

:40:29. > :40:33.I get there and what to say to you. So I maybe seen a difference at

:40:34. > :40:38.work, change in appearance and mood. Normally laughing and joking, but he

:40:39. > :40:43.went reclusive. I knew something was up because we'd been good friends

:40:44. > :40:48.for about six-and-a-half years. To actually go round there, I was quite

:40:49. > :40:54.anxious myself, how do I instigate this conversation. But for me it was

:40:55. > :40:58.just listen. I know that my feelings weren't, or my anxiety was nowhere

:40:59. > :41:03.near as much as Dan would be feeling at that time. What did you say to

:41:04. > :41:08.him? I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I've ever had. But as

:41:09. > :41:12.soon as Rich arrived at the door, I felt like the weight of the world

:41:13. > :41:15.was instantly lifted. The relief I already felt before I started

:41:16. > :41:19.speaking and the funny thing is, I already knew what I had to do, I

:41:20. > :41:23.just needed somebody to tell me that what I wanted to do was the right

:41:24. > :41:27.thing and to be there to support me. That was all it took. It changed

:41:28. > :41:31.everything. Honestly, it was the first day of the rest of my life

:41:32. > :41:35.talking to Rich about my problems. It's a conundrum, but when we talk

:41:36. > :41:39.about this, you know, two heads are better than one when it comes to

:41:40. > :41:44.mental health and this's absolutely the case and it's so true.

:41:45. > :41:48.Definitely. Wow. I mean, it's really powerful just hearing you two recall

:41:49. > :41:55.that time and how you say that was the kind of start of the change just

:41:56. > :41:58.taking that step. Annie, hello. Hi. You were on what should have been a

:41:59. > :42:02.really fantastic girls holiday in Barcelona. Yes. Tell me what

:42:03. > :42:06.happened on the beach? Well, Barcelona is my favourite city and

:42:07. > :42:10.we'd had such a great day, our first day there. We'd had a lot of great

:42:11. > :42:15.food and a few drinks and it was a couple of hours before the sun set

:42:16. > :42:20.so we went down to the sun loungers. All of a sudden, I just kind of

:42:21. > :42:26.crashed and I felt that familiar kind of dark cloud come over me. I

:42:27. > :42:30.was really frustrated. All our friends were having a good time and

:42:31. > :42:35.I felt like, why can't I have a good time, why is this happening again,

:42:36. > :42:40.I'd kind of run away from London so that, you know, I'd be in my

:42:41. > :42:44.favourite city and be happy. Sometimes I felt like, you know, I

:42:45. > :42:48.could lose friendships or I was behaving Strangly because I hadn't

:42:49. > :42:56.expressd to anybody about how I felt and how I saw the world a lot.

:42:57. > :42:59.That's when I decided to just go to Naaffi and have a conversation with

:43:00. > :43:04.her about how I was feeling. What did you say? I recognised the signs

:43:05. > :43:08.having been through something similar myself. I recognised she was

:43:09. > :43:12.depressed. This time she was owning it, she was the one saying, this is

:43:13. > :43:19.my last resort, I need to get this off my chest and express how I feel.

:43:20. > :43:23.So it was firstly I felt honoured that she had that trust in me to

:43:24. > :43:27.confide in me, then it was just helping and guiding her and letting

:43:28. > :43:31.her know that you weren't alone, that you've got your friends, your

:43:32. > :43:36.support network with your family or whoever. But just really to have

:43:37. > :43:43.that support and actually say to her, what you're feeling at this

:43:44. > :43:49.moment in time is yours. What was the first thing you said because

:43:50. > :43:57.people don't know how to express it sometimes. What did you actually

:43:58. > :44:02.say? I just said I wasn't having a good time, I apologised for bringing

:44:03. > :44:07.the mood down. I said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time

:44:08. > :44:14.here. Remained me Rich, of the words tonne text? Can you come round, I

:44:15. > :44:19.need a chat. Simple as that? It was so simple. Put the kettle on, I'm on

:44:20. > :44:23.my way, and the relief was unbelievable. It's just taking that

:44:24. > :44:29.step. It really was the most difficult step to take. But the best

:44:30. > :44:36.step you ever will take. OK. We are going to hear from Phil and Julie in

:44:37. > :44:41.a moment and Cooper the dog can make another appearance:th. I want you

:44:42. > :44:47.all to take a look at this film, Ruby Wax and her husband, Ed. They

:44:48. > :44:49.talk about the moment when she told him about the state of her mental

:44:50. > :45:15.health. Secondly that I have been married

:45:16. > :45:22.twice before. And thirdly, that I was mentally ill. Which one was the

:45:23. > :45:25.head bash? All three Cilic was like a concussive blow. You can imagine a

:45:26. > :45:34.grenade went off, and then it had sudden... Then I started laughing.

:45:35. > :45:36.You laughed. And then I signed the register, best wishes, Ruby wax! And

:45:37. > :45:43.then we never mentioned it again. No, not really. Did it ever scare

:45:44. > :45:52.you that I had said that? It wasn't a huge surprise. But it sort of does

:45:53. > :45:57.things like,, yeah, that might explain this or that. This was when

:45:58. > :46:02.I knew that you were the best news ever, I had to interview somebody

:46:03. > :46:07.who was mentally ill in a hospital. Everybody in the institution said,

:46:08. > :46:09.are you insane? They all cheered me as I left, and then I came here and

:46:10. > :46:13.interviewed a person with depression. And I could see the

:46:14. > :46:19.person with depression looking at me and thinking, you are away sick than

:46:20. > :46:26.I am! And then everybody clapped. Whenever you got depression, you

:46:27. > :46:30.could see there was a sort of panic because of the confusion about what

:46:31. > :46:33.was happening in your head. If you're close to somebody with

:46:34. > :46:37.depression, you've got to help them make the first move, to understand

:46:38. > :46:40.that they are sick. In your case, it is to be amongst people who suffer

:46:41. > :46:44.the same thing, so they can compare notes and talk to each other and

:46:45. > :46:48.support each other. I have seen you talk to other people who have

:46:49. > :46:52.depression, it is kind of like a unique club. I'm only relieved,

:46:53. > :46:57.really, when I'm with other people that have mental illness. If I see

:46:58. > :47:02.the eyes of another, we have this understanding, and that's the

:47:03. > :47:07.healing. Ruby wax and her husband. Phil I don't think it was your

:47:08. > :47:12.wedding day when you opened up to Julie, but tell me how can Julie

:47:13. > :47:18.first discovered you were struggling? I think it went back to

:47:19. > :47:21.when I had a moment, we were away in Jersey, it was a respite holiday

:47:22. > :47:25.with the Marines and I started to struggle with being able to get

:47:26. > :47:28.places, and my disability and being in a wheelchair and things like

:47:29. > :47:34.that. We ended up coming back and having a family holiday, and Julie

:47:35. > :47:39.did some research on how I could overdose, or what would be the best

:47:40. > :47:43.way. And stupidly I probably left it on the iPad and she found it. And

:47:44. > :47:49.from there, she never let me out of her sight for about six months! I

:47:50. > :47:52.can't imagine how you would have felt, having seen that your husband

:47:53. > :48:00.was researching ways to end his life? I was deeply saddened, I was

:48:01. > :48:04.hurt, I was angry. I thought, how could he contemplate doing something

:48:05. > :48:10.like this? Did he not think about us? But then it came back to me

:48:11. > :48:18.realising that he was just thinking about ending the pain he was in, and

:48:19. > :48:25.struggling to deal with how he was struggling with his own emotions. I

:48:26. > :48:28.was a different person, really. A completely different person for a

:48:29. > :48:32.few years, someone I did not even recognise. The things I was saying

:48:33. > :48:37.didn't make sense to anyone. Like what? I think for that six months

:48:38. > :48:41.before we actually told someone, I was trying to tell people but not

:48:42. > :48:44.knowing whether people could understand. Everything I said I

:48:45. > :48:49.understood in my head but no-one could understand a word. It wasn't

:48:50. > :48:53.the accent, it was more to do with how I was saying things! Then I

:48:54. > :48:58.became reclusive, and the more it got worse. Sitting in my seat,

:48:59. > :49:07.curtains closed, making excuses for everything, just didn't leave the

:49:08. > :49:11.house. Yes, didn't tell anyone. Julie would hurt herself lifting me

:49:12. > :49:15.up and I thought I was a burden on her and the kids, not being able to

:49:16. > :49:20.get on with their life. I thought it would be better at that stage if I

:49:21. > :49:25.wasn't around. But it's not true. She is stuck with me unfortunately

:49:26. > :49:31.now. But it was a long period that you wouldn't allow me to tell

:49:32. > :49:35.anyone. And I think that was through fear of being ashamed. Ashamed, I

:49:36. > :49:39.thought I was weak. There's that whole stigma around mental health.

:49:40. > :49:43.If that stigma wasn't there, and what this campaign is trying to do,

:49:44. > :49:48.I would not have got to that point where I tried to end my life.

:49:49. > :49:52.Thankfully we've got... Unfortunately, we've got friends and

:49:53. > :49:56.family who have suffered, and people who are not here today. It is

:49:57. > :50:00.important to me to get rid of that stigma so that I never go back there

:50:01. > :50:05.myself, but also my kids and my friends are my family. In the end, I

:50:06. > :50:09.think you posted on Facebook and you did talk to your best friend, and

:50:10. > :50:17.then you two had a conversation. Was that the order of it? Yes, I talked

:50:18. > :50:22.to my best friend at the time, I can't even remember what I said, it

:50:23. > :50:28.was just, I tried to kill myself. And I think it affected him

:50:29. > :50:32.massively. This does not affect me, it affects everybody outside of the

:50:33. > :50:37.family. The next day we told a medical team. I still think we

:50:38. > :50:42.hadn't talked about it as a Matip was still too difficult to talk to

:50:43. > :50:48.Julie about. The team recognised I think the symptoms and the warning

:50:49. > :50:52.signs. But didn't realise how bad Philip had got because he had become

:50:53. > :50:59.reclusive and wasn't talking to anyone and wasn't letting out how

:51:00. > :51:03.things truly were. People judge with their eyes, and that is how we live

:51:04. > :51:07.as a society. We can understand what we see. Because we can't see mental

:51:08. > :51:14.health, we don't know how people react to it. And that's a big fear.

:51:15. > :51:17.That it is a physical problem that we are dealing with and getting over

:51:18. > :51:22.that is very important. We have had some anime messages. I don't

:51:23. > :51:25.underestimate what it takes for you to talk about this on national

:51:26. > :51:30.television, and also what it takes for our audience to get in touch and

:51:31. > :51:34.share their experiences. John says... I had a lady who approached

:51:35. > :51:39.me as a martial arts instructor, she needed to learn to defend herself

:51:40. > :51:44.against her ex-husband who was regularly hurting her with beeping

:51:45. > :51:49.is beatings. She needed help badly. We have now been happily married for

:51:50. > :51:53.28 years. She still battles her mental health demons and life is not

:51:54. > :51:57.always easy for her but we love each other more as each day goes by. She

:51:58. > :52:03.is proof that you can improve your mental health if you take the right

:52:04. > :52:06.steps and get help. Wow! Pat says this, and this is where you may be

:52:07. > :52:09.able to help. My 20-year-old granddaughter has been suffering

:52:10. > :52:15.from depression, night terrors, suicidal thoughts and anxiety. It

:52:16. > :52:18.started when she was 17. Last year she tried to take her own life.

:52:19. > :52:23.Apparently part of her treatment is to write a blog. And this went out

:52:24. > :52:27.yesterday on her Facebook page. We has her grandparents are unsure how

:52:28. > :52:31.we can help her. Can anyone give us some guidance on doing this? We are

:52:32. > :52:39.worried and we want to be supported grandparents. What would you say? I

:52:40. > :52:43.think it's just to be open with her. There is a stigma around the old and

:52:44. > :52:47.the bold, where we don't talk about it, and it is not an actual fact

:52:48. > :52:53.that there. But the main thing is, it's not a weakness in anyone. We've

:52:54. > :52:57.always said, and the people here, dare anyone say that we are weak

:52:58. > :53:02.now, because the things we have gone through in the past, I am actually

:53:03. > :53:06.probably a stronger person now than I have ever been. So she will come

:53:07. > :53:11.out the other end a stronger and better person. So when you say to

:53:12. > :53:14.Pat, the open with her 20-year-old granddaughter, does that mean

:53:15. > :53:19.picking up the phone and texting, and saying, do you want to talk to

:53:20. > :53:22.me, I am here? Yes. I think that blog will be... There will be some

:53:23. > :53:27.hurtful things in it. Reading that is going to wound whoever loves her.

:53:28. > :53:33.So I think ultimately what they have to do is read it and not take it as

:53:34. > :53:36.a criticism, but maybe just turn around and say, OK, we have got the

:53:37. > :53:39.bigger picture here, we are beginning to understand where she's

:53:40. > :53:50.coming from, and then offer the support from there. Also, allow her

:53:51. > :53:53.to say it, because she is not internalising, so allow her to say

:53:54. > :53:57.whatever is on her mind truly you have to realise as well, you take it

:53:58. > :54:02.out on your nearest and dearest. I took it out on Julie and my kids.

:54:03. > :54:05.That was where I was safe to get angry or whatever. So if she gets

:54:06. > :54:09.angry at her, don't take it personally. It's actually a

:54:10. > :54:12.condiment because that is who you are more comfortable with. Can I

:54:13. > :54:18.asked specifically about mental health issues the team it is taboo,

:54:19. > :54:24.you don't talk about the words depression in your community? Not

:54:25. > :54:30.really. Why? It seems that mental health issues are an extreme thing.

:54:31. > :54:33.Especially coming from an African, Ghanaian community, which we both

:54:34. > :54:37.do, everybody is very supported if, if you say you're depressed or you

:54:38. > :54:42.have mental health issues, but depression is not necessarily a word

:54:43. > :54:48.or a concept that we like to use. If you were brought up here, your

:54:49. > :54:53.parents or a lot of your family struggled back home, and it kind of

:54:54. > :54:58.seems ungrateful. How can you possibly be depressed in the fifth

:54:59. > :55:02.richest economy in the world, sort of thing? Yes, what could possibly

:55:03. > :55:07.be wrong with you? And I think that is a big thing. Also, because most

:55:08. > :55:11.black people see mental health institutions through coercive means.

:55:12. > :55:15.Perhaps maybe through prison or through hospital. And because we

:55:16. > :55:23.don't go early and get help, it kind of escalates. And so, straightaway,

:55:24. > :55:30.people are sectioned and there's a high amount of the black community

:55:31. > :55:34.are sectioned. Prince Harry and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:55:35. > :55:39.believe we are at a tipping point when it comes to mental health in

:55:40. > :55:43.this country - do you agree? Absolutely, we have been in a

:55:44. > :55:48.position where it has been a taboo subject for a long time. I think

:55:49. > :55:50.ourselves included, who have experienced mental health problems,

:55:51. > :55:55.can see the benefit of opening up and talking about it. I think now,

:55:56. > :55:59.the whole of society is starting to recognise the importance of it but

:56:00. > :56:02.we have got to really keep driving it and keep the conversation going

:56:03. > :56:07.and let everybody know that it is important to talk. We understand the

:56:08. > :56:12.power of that, and I think society as a whole is starting to understand

:56:13. > :56:16.that. It has been really good that the royal foundation is supporting

:56:17. > :56:20.this. Tipping point might be the accurate phrase, but there are still

:56:21. > :56:24.some people who do not understand depression, anxiety, that it is a

:56:25. > :56:29.real thing. This is from Ian, who texted. I am 35, I live in London, I

:56:30. > :56:34.have had mental health issues for 20 years. I do believe people need to

:56:35. > :56:39.open up but unfortunately the stigma still exists. I opened up to my boss

:56:40. > :56:43.and team in a recent role in the City of London. It actually made

:56:44. > :56:48.them put up barriers, it created silences. I even got the response

:56:49. > :56:54.from one colleague who said, I don't talk about emotion and things, so

:56:55. > :56:58.don't expect me to. It is fear. What should they do, find someone else to

:56:59. > :57:03.talk to? Yes. I'm on my fourth psychologist. It took the fourth

:57:04. > :57:08.one, I don't know what he done, whether it was voodoo or whatever.

:57:09. > :57:13.It is not voodoo, we know that! I don't understand it, what that

:57:14. > :57:18.talking therapy did, but it was the fourth person. And the point is,

:57:19. > :57:22.don't give up. Let me read some more messages. Darren says, I am a mental

:57:23. > :57:27.health nurse working for the NHS. Even us professionals don't talk

:57:28. > :57:30.enough. In February a beautiful colleague of mine aged 23 took her

:57:31. > :57:34.own life because of mental health problems. Even with all the experts

:57:35. > :57:38.around her every day and her friends, no-one knew the pain she

:57:39. > :57:44.was experiencing. We all need to talk more and be open and honest. It

:57:45. > :57:48.is her funeral tomorrow. I love her and I miss her dearly. Stuart says,

:57:49. > :57:52.coming to terms with anxiety and depression was not only difficult

:57:53. > :57:55.for me to understand but after a few years of feeling alone in thinking

:57:56. > :57:59.that I was weird and different, I decided to speak to my mum and close

:58:00. > :58:02.friends and they helped me in the right direction. You go through

:58:03. > :58:06.stages feeling like you are in the dark and there is no way, but

:58:07. > :58:10.suddenly, there is light and hope. Have to remember that talking helps,

:58:11. > :58:16.action to help yourself will also help you. Can you relate to that,

:58:17. > :58:23.the dark and then the light? I think we all put on some kind of disguise,

:58:24. > :58:29.a smile when people are around. For me, being in the military, I was

:58:30. > :58:33.always clean-shaven, and my beard became my disguise, so people would

:58:34. > :58:37.not recognise me and ask me how I was, so I did not have to put a

:58:38. > :58:44.smile on. I am sure people here have had that as well. The facade you put

:58:45. > :58:48.on, the act you put on, to relate to everyday life in situations. It is

:58:49. > :58:54.just that, it is a mask. It's going to crumble, you need to feel it. I

:58:55. > :58:58.think even more so in our job is in we are there to look after people.

:58:59. > :59:02.You don't want to have this facade on that you are well yourself. There

:59:03. > :59:08.is a big thing in the emergency services. The same in the NHS. You

:59:09. > :59:11.put your uniform on, it is not a cloak of armour, its not going to

:59:12. > :59:18.stop you being affected by what you're dealing with. Same for the

:59:19. > :59:22.Armed Forces. It is a taboo, that we think, this will protect us. It

:59:23. > :59:27.genuinely will not, and that's why we need to start the conversation,

:59:28. > :59:34.like Darren said, within the health care industry, we all need to start

:59:35. > :59:41.looking after ourselves, as well as others. Thank you all of you for

:59:42. > :59:44.coming in. And thanks to Cooper, we would not have known there was a dog

:59:45. > :59:52.in the studio! What a beautiful animal! Thank you for bringing him

:59:53. > :59:53.in as well. Thank you all of you. We can bring you the latest weather

:59:54. > :00:05.now. There is some good news on the

:00:06. > :00:09.weather front today, and some news that is not so great. We have some

:00:10. > :00:16.cloud and rain across western parts of the UK. But the other side of the

:00:17. > :00:23.country is warming up, so, a tale of two halves today. This is the

:00:24. > :00:26.weather front. Notice these yellow and orange colours, indicating the

:00:27. > :00:32.temperature, showing that these up and coming from the south is warm.

:00:33. > :00:36.This is the satellite picture of the cloud and rain that we have observed

:00:37. > :00:41.over the last few hours. And this is the warm air wafting up from the

:00:42. > :00:47.south. For today, we're talking about cloudy skies and some rain

:00:48. > :00:53.across western areas. Starting with Scotland, because this is where the

:00:54. > :00:59.air is a little bit fresher today. Bits of rain in Northern Ireland. It

:01:00. > :01:02.is wet across the Lake District. A bit of rain across western Wales and

:01:03. > :01:07.down into the south-west of England. A large chunk of England, the

:01:08. > :01:15.weather is not looking bad at all. Quite a big cut-off there between

:01:16. > :01:20.the warm and the cooler air. Top temperatures today I think, 22

:01:21. > :01:27.degrees, in London. A very warm day for this time of the year.

:01:28. > :01:33.him about the state of her mental health.

:01:34. > :01:38.Tonight a mild night. Into tomorrow, in the morning there'll be some

:01:39. > :01:43.cloud and rain but it tends to brighten up a little in the

:01:44. > :01:47.afternoon. I think somewhat fresher tomorrow, typically around 15, 16.

:01:48. > :01:51.Again, still a bit of cloud and rain across the north and west. Now the

:01:52. > :01:58.weekend - looking mixed, that is for sure. On Saturday it's a mixture of

:01:59. > :02:02.sunshine and April showers. We are into April. Then on Sunday, high

:02:03. > :02:07.pressure builds once again from the south. You can see it's nosing up

:02:08. > :02:11.from the south. That means the weather will dry out, there'll be

:02:12. > :02:15.light winds, more sunshine around, not sky high temperatures, but for

:02:16. > :02:19.most around 15, but just about 17 there in London. The outlook for

:02:20. > :02:24.next week is looking relatively promising. Let's get through the

:02:25. > :02:28.weekend first of all and today of course, enjoy it. Bye.

:02:29. > :02:32.Hello it's Thursday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:02:33. > :02:35.In just over an hour's time we'll find out the Government's plan

:02:36. > :02:38.to convert tens of thousands of EU rules into British law

:02:39. > :02:41.as it publishes details of the Great Repeal Bill.

:02:42. > :02:49.And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind

:02:50. > :02:54.Ministers deny Theresa May's threatening to blackmail Europe by

:02:55. > :02:58.ending security cooperation unless we get a trade deal.

:02:59. > :03:01.And we'll be looking specifically at employment law and what kind

:03:02. > :03:05.of working environment we want to create in this country.

:03:06. > :03:10.We'll look into mental health, we have films on mental health and

:03:11. > :03:16.we've been hearing how important it is to tell those close to you how

:03:17. > :03:20.you feel. I I opened up. It was the hardest conversation I'd ever had

:03:21. > :03:24.but as soon as Rich arrived, I felt the weight had been instantly

:03:25. > :03:29.lifted. I kind of said, I'm not having a good time, I apologised for

:03:30. > :03:34.my behaviour because I felt like I was bringing the mood down and I

:03:35. > :03:43.just said, I need help, how can I not be having a good time here. You

:03:44. > :03:45.can get in touch and tells your own experiences this morning.

:03:46. > :03:48.If you humiliate ex-lovers with revenge porn should you go to jail?

:03:49. > :03:52.In certain circumstances yes, according to new

:03:53. > :03:57.We'll be discussing what those are and hearing from a woman

:03:58. > :03:59.who thinks her former partner's sentence didn't reflect

:04:00. > :04:08.Here is Annita with a summary of the day's news.

:04:09. > :04:11.Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers

:04:12. > :04:14.from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

:04:15. > :04:19.The government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

:04:20. > :04:23.House of Commons officials have described the process as one

:04:24. > :04:41.of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

:04:42. > :04:48.Retired college lecturer, Neil Conway has lost his High Court bid

:04:49. > :04:51.to challenge the law on assisted dying. That just in.

:04:52. > :04:54.The Insurance Market, Lloyd's of London, says it will open

:04:55. > :04:57.a new office in Brussels in early 2019.

:04:58. > :04:59.Lloyds says it's concerned that once the UK has left the EU,

:05:00. > :05:02.it will lose the right to sell its products

:05:03. > :05:04.across the single market, but its Chief Executive said

:05:05. > :05:15.customers shouldn't be concerned about the move.

:05:16. > :05:21.Nothing to worry about. In fact it strengthens our business. We want to

:05:22. > :05:23.be able to provide continuous coverage and continue to issue

:05:24. > :05:28.insurance policies for customers based in the EU hence the need to

:05:29. > :05:41.set up a subsidiary. A helicopter has gone missing. The

:05:42. > :05:45.aerial search has been suspended due to poor wealth but the land search

:05:46. > :05:49.continues. Holly Hamilton is in Caernarfon. Weather conditions is

:05:50. > :05:53.not improved since that search was called off here late last night. We

:05:54. > :05:56.are waiting for an update on that operation to find out when it will

:05:57. > :06:01.resume on the search for that missing helicopter. We know that it

:06:02. > :06:06.left Milton Keynes shortly before midday yesterday morning. It was due

:06:07. > :06:10.to stop here in Caernarfon, it does not arrive, all contact was lost and

:06:11. > :06:15.there were no sightings so the UK coastguard was informed immediately.

:06:16. > :06:19.That search operation was launched just after 4 yesterday afternoon.

:06:20. > :06:21.That involved two coastguard helicopters that searched across

:06:22. > :06:25.North Wales right across to Dublin, but because of the poor weather and

:06:26. > :06:30.the poor visibility here, that search was called off late last

:06:31. > :06:36.night. Now, North Wales police have resumed the search today on ground,

:06:37. > :06:38.they've called in Mountain Rescue Teams across Snowdonia, they're

:06:39. > :06:42.focussing their search on that area. At the minute, we know very little

:06:43. > :06:49.about the five individuals who're on board that aircraft. We know that it

:06:50. > :06:57.was a privately-owned twin red helicopter. Members of the public

:06:58. > :07:01.have been asked to dial 999 if they saw that red helicopter yesterday

:07:02. > :07:05.afternoon. We are waiting for an update on when the search will

:07:06. > :07:10.resume. They've said they are unable to start that search again while the

:07:11. > :07:12.weather remains like this. Unless anything changes, there'll be no

:07:13. > :07:16.updates in the next while. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

:07:17. > :07:18.and Prince Harry have released a series of films as part

:07:19. > :07:22.of their Heads Together campaign designed to encourage people to talk

:07:23. > :07:24.about mental health. The project aims to help end

:07:25. > :07:27.the stigma around mental health. The former England cricket

:07:28. > :07:30.captain Andrew Flintoff and the rapper Professor Green,

:07:31. > :07:33.were among the celebrities who've The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

:07:34. > :07:38.will hold talks today with senior executives from social media

:07:39. > :07:41.companies and internet She'll urge them to do more to help

:07:42. > :07:46.combat terrorist activity. The meeting was arranged

:07:47. > :07:49.before last week's terror That's a summary of the latest BBC

:07:50. > :08:02.News, more at 10.30. Thank you to Phillipa who texted

:08:03. > :08:07.saying, I was able and capable up until two years ago, I never felt

:08:08. > :08:11.I'd be mentally ill. I've been well supported by friends and family and

:08:12. > :08:15.the NHS. Since revealing my condition, many friends have

:08:16. > :08:20.admitted they also struggle with it. It's much more common than we think.

:08:21. > :08:22.Thank you very much. Do get in touch with us through the next hour of the

:08:23. > :08:31.programme. You don't have to use your name but

:08:32. > :08:34.I'm interesting to hear about the conversations you've had about your

:08:35. > :08:36.mental health, particularly the first conversation.

:08:37. > :08:46.We're hanging on for a decision from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger

:08:47. > :08:51.And we're still in suspense, because Wenger refused to confirm

:08:52. > :08:55.He's been under increasing pressure in recent months,

:08:56. > :08:57.with Arsenal sitting sixth in the Premier League and four

:08:58. > :09:13.Here is what he said. I'm very clear in my mind, but anyway, I stay two

:09:14. > :09:19.months, two years, my commitment will be the same all the time. The

:09:20. > :09:22.time I've spent here is not influencing my attitude.

:09:23. > :09:27.Well our reporter David Ornstein was at that press

:09:28. > :09:33.conference and David, Wenger, seemed very relaxed.

:09:34. > :09:39.What wiz his demeanour like? He was the most comfortable in a pre-match

:09:40. > :09:44.news conference that I've seen him in quite a while. He looked

:09:45. > :09:47.refreshed after the last game, plenty of laughs. I think we know

:09:48. > :09:52.the direction in which we could be travelling here. It seems that

:09:53. > :09:55.Arsene Wenger wants to stay as Arsenal manager, the club want him

:09:56. > :09:59.to remain as Arsenal manager. We have known for a while that there's

:10:00. > :10:03.been a contract offer on the table for him, a two-year deal. That's

:10:04. > :10:09.perhaps why he mentioned two months or two years. He also said that it's

:10:10. > :10:14.not completely sorted out yet. That's why I don't think this is set

:10:15. > :10:17.in stone, it could go the other way depending on the atmosphere around

:10:18. > :10:20.the fan base and the result. They play Manchester City at the weekend

:10:21. > :10:24.and the FA Cup semi-finals towards the end of April, so it looks like

:10:25. > :10:31.Wenger is probably going to stay as Arsenal manager, sign a new deal,

:10:32. > :10:36.but that is not set in stone. It's not just speculation about his

:10:37. > :10:40.future but the future of Alexi Sanchez. He said he's happy but

:10:41. > :10:45.wants to be at a club with a winning mentality. What do you make of that?

:10:46. > :10:55.Will we see Sanchez in an Arsenal shirt next season? Wenger was asked

:10:56. > :11:00.what he made of those quotes which came from Chile where he was away.

:11:01. > :11:04.Wenger urged caution on the quotes but he said he takes them in a very

:11:05. > :11:08.positive way, tongue-in-cheek, there's only one team in London so

:11:09. > :11:12.he's happy is. I think personally he's happy here, I hope he will

:11:13. > :11:16.stay. You have to be very cautious when people give interviews in their

:11:17. > :11:20.home country. Now, he also spoke about how in the past Arsenal have

:11:21. > :11:24.had to sell some of their best players, the likes of van Persie and

:11:25. > :11:30.Fabregas, was that's not the case any more, he said, and they can keep

:11:31. > :11:34.hold of them. He reiterated that he hopes Sanchez and Ozil will sign new

:11:35. > :11:36.contracts. And the demeanour that Wenger gave off suggested he's

:11:37. > :11:40.pretty confident that both will stay. But it's a crucial two months

:11:41. > :11:45.now for Arsenal's season and you suppose that could make or break the

:11:46. > :11:49.future of both Wenger, Sanchez and Ozil. Crucial indeed. Thank you,

:11:50. > :11:58.David. More sport later. Today Prime Minister Theresa May

:11:59. > :12:02.will publish details of her plans for what's called

:12:03. > :12:05.the Great Repeal Bill although it should perhaps be called

:12:06. > :12:07.the Great Retention Bill because it's all about importing

:12:08. > :12:10.and retaining thousands and thousands of EU laws

:12:11. > :12:13.but enshrining them in British law. This process will have consequences

:12:14. > :12:16.for almost every sector of British business because it will allow

:12:17. > :12:19.the government to decide what maternity pay, holiday pay

:12:20. > :12:25.and pensions will look like. Our Political Guru Norman Smith

:12:26. > :12:35.is in Westminster. This is a huge job to download all

:12:36. > :12:41.the laws isn't it? It's massive, Vic. I mean, I can't recall anything

:12:42. > :12:46.as big as that in recent years. I mean, if you think we have been a

:12:47. > :12:52.member of the EU for over 40 years, during that time there have been

:12:53. > :12:55.thousands upon thousands, someone estimated 80,000 different EU rules,

:12:56. > :12:59.regulations, directives, all of which are now going to have to be

:13:00. > :13:05.rewritten so they apply in British law. So there's a massive

:13:06. > :13:08.undertaking and it's going to eat up a huge amount of Parliamentary time.

:13:09. > :13:12.That probably means there isn't going to be much scope for the

:13:13. > :13:15.Government to be able to do anything else because so much of its

:13:16. > :13:20.legislative energy will be devoted to this. It also leaves open the

:13:21. > :13:26.possibility that if MPs wanted to cause Mrs May grief, this Bill, as a

:13:27. > :13:30.vehicle for Brexit mutiny, it has the potential for MPs who want to

:13:31. > :13:34.cause trouble to cause trouble. Now, I don't think that's likely to

:13:35. > :13:36.happen because in the really contentious areas around say

:13:37. > :13:40.employment law or environment law, the Government already said don't

:13:41. > :13:45.worry, all that is going to go into British law exactly the same. If you

:13:46. > :13:50.listen to the man who used to be in charge of the admin of Commons

:13:51. > :13:55.business, the Clerk to the Commons, this morning he was warning that

:13:56. > :14:01.getting this done could take years after we have even left the EU. It

:14:02. > :14:08.won't just be two years. How long will it be? It could go on for a

:14:09. > :14:11.decade, the tidying up, the instant or the Brexit day arrangements have

:14:12. > :14:15.obviously got to be made because that is an unmissable deadline, but

:14:16. > :14:20.there'll be an awful lot to do after that.

:14:21. > :14:27.Interesting. What is the reaction in Europe about the idea that Mrs May

:14:28. > :14:30.is trying to potentially or suggesting linking security

:14:31. > :14:34.cooperation to a trade teal? You know, interestingly, we had that

:14:35. > :14:40.very conciliatory tone from Theresa May yesterday, the one thing that

:14:41. > :14:44.really jarred, the real snapth snag, was that linkage around security

:14:45. > :14:53.cooperation and a future Brexit trade deal. -- the real snag. The

:14:54. > :15:02.fire hose has been trying to dampen down the fact that they think this

:15:03. > :15:08.is blackmail central. If a way, when you think about it, they couldn't

:15:09. > :15:11.really do that. Could you imagine Britain not passing on information

:15:12. > :15:16.about terrorism and security threats to other EU countries, it's not

:15:17. > :15:24.really a runner. The point of it was more to sort of politely remind the

:15:25. > :15:27.rest of the EU of the benefits Britain brings to Europe. I don't

:15:28. > :15:31.think it was meant as a threat. Listening to David Davis this

:15:32. > :15:34.morning, in fact, you get the sense that they are determined, not just

:15:35. > :15:38.to maintain good relations with the rest of Europe, but to do so in

:15:39. > :15:43.order to ensure what they're hoping is going to be an incredibly

:15:44. > :15:49.generous and big deal. Have a listen to Mr Davis. The classical approach

:15:50. > :15:53.for a politician doing a negotiation is to reduce expectation. That's

:15:54. > :15:57.what people think is the sophisticated way. We are playing

:15:58. > :15:59.for the national interest here. I'm aiming as high as conceivably

:16:00. > :16:02.possible. I want the best possible benefits from the European Union,

:16:03. > :16:05.I'm not going to apologise for aiming for that. Achieving it of

:16:06. > :16:07.course is a matter of negotiation and negotiations are uncertain, but

:16:08. > :16:26.that's what we are aiming at. There will have to be big

:16:27. > :16:30.compromises and concessions. The difficulty faced by Theresa May is,

:16:31. > :16:33.she will have to bring her package back to Westminster to sell out to

:16:34. > :16:44.her backbenchers, and of course to ask other public.

:16:45. > :16:51.Some of Europe's leaders will be discussing Brexit amongst other

:16:52. > :16:55.things in Malta this morning. What kind of mood do you think they are

:16:56. > :16:59.in? I mean, there has been discussion of this potential link

:17:00. > :17:04.between security and trade, but overall, I think when they read the

:17:05. > :17:07.letter, there was the regret that we finally are leaving. And secondly, a

:17:08. > :17:11.sense of relief in many ways. The overall tone of the letter was

:17:12. > :17:16.actually pretty conciliatory, we need to work together, we need to

:17:17. > :17:19.get a deal which works for everyone. Was none of this, no deal is better

:17:20. > :17:24.than a bad deal, which we had heard from Teresa me before. What they are

:17:25. > :17:27.trying to do now is to work out exactly what their first formal

:17:28. > :17:32.response to the letter will be. Donald Tusk has said that by about

:17:33. > :17:36.this time tomorrow, he will release draft guidelines which will be

:17:37. > :17:41.debated in the other 27 Z and agreed in a month's time. Those guidelines

:17:42. > :17:46.will form the basis for the way the European Commission negotiates with

:17:47. > :17:49.the UK over the next few months. One thing we heard yesterday from Angela

:17:50. > :17:54.Merkel and I suspect she will repeat it when she speaks in the building

:17:55. > :17:56.here later today is that we do have to work on the principles of the

:17:57. > :18:12.divorce agreement first. That doesn't mean we have to cross every

:18:13. > :18:16.T and not every i. But we have to agree on that first. After that, we

:18:17. > :18:20.can then move on to talk about the things which the UK really wants to

:18:21. > :18:23.talk about, which is the future relationship, and trade and so

:18:24. > :18:29.forth. So there will be some disagreement about the structure of

:18:30. > :18:32.the talks, but I don't think it will necessarily be insurmountable.

:18:33. > :18:37.Reuters reporting, you may know about this, that Francois Hollande,

:18:38. > :18:41.outgoing French president, has found Teresa me to say pretty much what

:18:42. > :18:45.you have just said, that the talks must first be about the terms of

:18:46. > :18:47.withdrawal, dealing with citizens rights and obligations and

:18:48. > :19:07.commitments of the UK. Yeah. Everything I have heard is

:19:08. > :19:11.that people in the of EU are pretty united on this point, that this is

:19:12. > :19:14.the way they want it to be structured. In other words the

:19:15. > :19:18.commission would be pretty much forbidden to talk about trade at

:19:19. > :19:22.this stage. David Davis may say, we want to talk about trade now. But Mr

:19:23. > :19:27.Barnier will say, I've got no mandate to talk about that. We have

:19:28. > :19:31.to talk about the rights of EU citizens, and UK citizens elsewhere

:19:32. > :19:34.in the EU, the divorce bill, and possibly also the border between the

:19:35. > :19:39.Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. It is the only land border

:19:40. > :19:42.between the UK and a country which will remain in the EU. I think the

:19:43. > :19:48.European leaders are very aware of the need to address that early on.

:19:49. > :19:55.Let's talk about workers' rights, then. Much of the rights in this

:19:56. > :19:59.country are under EU law. They will be downloaded, copied and pasted,

:20:00. > :20:03.however you want to say it, into British law. Or will they? It is a

:20:04. > :20:08.concern for some people that not everything will be enshrined.

:20:09. > :20:11.We speak to Jane Malyon, a small business owner that

:20:12. > :20:13.employs five people, Schona Jolly who is a leading

:20:14. > :20:15.employment rights barrister and the TUC's employment rights

:20:16. > :20:23.Good morning, all of you. Hannah Reed, do you have any concerns?

:20:24. > :20:27.Well, the Prime Minister has made a commit and, a promised in public,

:20:28. > :20:32.that all rights from Europe will be protected and will be enshrined in

:20:33. > :20:35.UK law through the Great Repeal Bill. We will of course be getting

:20:36. > :20:39.the terms of that bill to make sure that every right is there. What

:20:40. > :20:42.we're saying to the government is, we need further assurances, that

:20:43. > :20:46.those rights will be protected for the long-term, and also that the UK

:20:47. > :20:51.doesn't fall behind the rest of our European partners. UK workers

:20:52. > :20:56.deserve the same rights as German workers, as those in France, Spain

:20:57. > :21:01.and Italy. What kind of rights are you talking about? Well, many of us

:21:02. > :21:05.probably don't realise that many of the rights we presume we have, we

:21:06. > :21:10.expect we have, come from Europe. The right to paid holidays, the

:21:11. > :21:15.right for equal treatment for agency workers, the rights for women who

:21:16. > :21:17.are pregnant to have paid time off to attend antenatal appointments,

:21:18. > :21:25.and also important and the discolouration laws, making sure

:21:26. > :21:27.that LGBT workers, black and ethnic minority workers, disabled workers,

:21:28. > :21:37.are not discrimination against in the workplace. Do you have concerns,

:21:38. > :21:42.Schona Jolly? I think there are a variety of really serious concerns.

:21:43. > :21:45.You have Theresa May saying, of course workers' rights will be

:21:46. > :21:50.protected. On the other hand, you have this great red tape challenge.

:21:51. > :21:55.And you have a lot of the reasons given by the pro-wreck camp as being

:21:56. > :22:00.directed. So you have that threat of the regulation, which we have heard

:22:01. > :22:07.reiterated by Prime Minister may herself. -- by the pro-Brexit camp.

:22:08. > :22:10.There is an inherent contrition and we have to see how they will square

:22:11. > :22:15.that circle. But there is also another concern. What we've lost, or

:22:16. > :22:24.what we will lose by the time that we Brexit, is the protection of the

:22:25. > :22:31.European institutions, the European laws, they are our floor, they are

:22:32. > :22:35.not a ceiling, they are a floor. What that means is that we will

:22:36. > :22:38.never stopped from protecting workers' rights in greater detail.

:22:39. > :22:43.But what we were stopped from was diminishing them below that floor.

:22:44. > :22:48.Now, once the Great Repeal Bill is through, once Brexit has taken

:22:49. > :22:54.place, in 2019 or whenever that is, it is likely that the Government

:22:55. > :22:58.will then have a sort of pick and mix approach to the laws that

:22:59. > :23:04.currently have been protected by Europe, that favour workers. So it's

:23:05. > :23:08.not just about what happens today in this white paper, it's not about

:23:09. > :23:13.even what happens by 2019, it is about safeguarding the future. Jane,

:23:14. > :23:18.tell us about the business that you run, Jane Malyon? I run the English

:23:19. > :23:21.cream tea company out in Essex and we send out afternoon tea hampers

:23:22. > :23:26.all over Great Britain, the sort that you would get in a London

:23:27. > :23:30.hotel, that type of afternoon tea, but we also export the delights of

:23:31. > :23:33.afternoon tea, except of course leaving out the cream and the

:23:34. > :23:38.sandwiches that would go off before it arrives in America and Australia.

:23:39. > :23:43.As an employer, in a small business, you have five members of staff, are

:23:44. > :23:47.there some EU laws that protect workers' rights that you would

:23:48. > :23:54.actually like to see junked because you regard them as bureaucratic?

:23:55. > :24:01.Yes. I can put on both hats because I am also a mother, and I have got

:24:02. > :24:05.sons out of employment, and I want them to have rights. Of course I

:24:06. > :24:09.love our employees and we want them to be well looked after. But as a

:24:10. > :24:13.micro-business, some of the laws are very own response on us and would

:24:14. > :24:16.stop us being able to expand at times. Give us an example. Well,

:24:17. > :24:21.we've just been through maternity leave with one of our lovely ladies,

:24:22. > :24:26.and so we want her to be well looked after, and of course, we did

:24:27. > :24:30.everything we could to help her with her maternity leave but she took a

:24:31. > :24:33.full year off. And for a tiny business, and at the time she was

:24:34. > :24:38.one third of our staff, we have expanded since. And so we were left

:24:39. > :24:43.floundering, not really able to replace her. You have to be careful

:24:44. > :24:47.with what you're doing. We don't want to go trick or tribunal, and we

:24:48. > :24:50.want to be fair to her and she is fantastic. But it left us limping

:24:51. > :24:53.for a year. And so the laws which could apply to larger companies who

:24:54. > :25:00.could perhaps cope much better with losing a third of their workforce

:25:01. > :25:05.surely shouldn't apply so rigorously two tiny little businesses? Let me

:25:06. > :25:09.be clear about that, are you saying that if you're a small business

:25:10. > :25:15.with, say, five members of staff, or three, as it was, women should have

:25:16. > :25:18.reduced but energy leave? No, I would like more government help for

:25:19. > :25:26.the business to support worker in that situation. OK, but you can

:25:27. > :25:30.claim back the maternity pay that you pay her? You can but it doesn't

:25:31. > :25:38.cover everything, it really doesn't. What are the other costs, then? It's

:25:39. > :25:41.covered all the basics, it certainly didn't cover her going off for

:25:42. > :25:45.medical and so on, and then the holiday leave and the bank holidays

:25:46. > :25:52.that have had to be accounted for, going forward. So it just didn't

:25:53. > :25:58.feel like we work with pro Crowe at all. I am sorry to interrupt, I am

:25:59. > :26:02.just trying to establish the facts - it didn't feel like it was quid pro

:26:03. > :26:08.quo, but was it? No, I don't believe so. Did you check the box? My

:26:09. > :26:12.husband runs that side of it, I'm sorry we have not got him sitting

:26:13. > :26:16.here to answer that. But we have really struggled with this. And do

:26:17. > :26:20.you think you would still be saying that if you had found someone to

:26:21. > :26:23.replace that woman? That wouldn't be appropriate because she is coming

:26:24. > :26:28.back to work as of next week and off we go again. I mean replaced the 12

:26:29. > :26:33.months, it is a long time to struggle on? It is and we took on

:26:34. > :26:37.various part-timers but it is never the central it takes a few weeks for

:26:38. > :26:42.them to hit the ground running and absorb what they have to do. And you

:26:43. > :26:45.might not get the same commitment from somebody who is only going to

:26:46. > :26:54.be with you for a short space of time. Hannah Reed, Schona Jolly, a

:26:55. > :26:57.reaction to that? We believe employment rights are very important

:26:58. > :27:01.for working people. People would be very hard-pressed to find anyone who

:27:02. > :27:05.voted to leave the European Union because they wanted to see fewer

:27:06. > :27:09.worker rights. We recognise that there may be a case for greater

:27:10. > :27:11.support for small businesses from the Government, for individuals who

:27:12. > :27:15.take maternity leave and who take time off. But more importantly we

:27:16. > :27:19.would argue that everybody, regardless of whether you work for a

:27:20. > :27:25.small large business, should get basic and settlements, including the

:27:26. > :27:27.ability to take maternity leave. Obviously, there are government

:27:28. > :27:31.agencies which can support small businesses to help them to recruit

:27:32. > :27:39.to cover maternity leave. I think what's very interesting about those

:27:40. > :27:42.comments are that Jane is not asking actually for maternity provisions to

:27:43. > :27:47.be reduced, she's actually asking the government help. I think that

:27:48. > :27:50.probably just makes Hannah Reed's point, that actually people are not

:27:51. > :27:55.looking for a reduction in workers' rights. And so there really does

:27:56. > :27:58.need to be commitment not just now but beyond 2019 for those rights to

:27:59. > :28:07.be protected. Thank you all. Good luck with the business. Thank you

:28:08. > :28:10.very much for all your comments about the conversations you have had

:28:11. > :28:15.about mental health and your own experiences. This e-mail from

:28:16. > :28:18.Carol... I'm almost 63 and I've had depression and anxiety for as long

:28:19. > :28:23.as I can remember. I was born in 1954, my father was a violent

:28:24. > :28:27.alcoholic. My mum also drank. They both smoked and neither of them

:28:28. > :28:31.showed us any love. I can only describe my childhood as a refuge of

:28:32. > :28:34.I'm so glad that people are bringing this situation into the present day

:28:35. > :28:38.and encouraging others to talk about it. I hope future generations will

:28:39. > :28:42.get the care and support that my family never got. Sharon says...

:28:43. > :28:45.Because of the stigma around mental health, my 15-year-old daughter

:28:46. > :28:50.tried to take her life to stop the voices in her head. I believe if

:28:51. > :28:53.mental health was talked about more in school, children like my daughter

:28:54. > :29:00.might not struggle as much and for as long. She's now diagnosed with

:29:01. > :29:04.psychosis, paranoid episodes and depression. It's going to be a long

:29:05. > :29:08.road but her mental health team are very good. Thank you very much for

:29:09. > :29:13.those. I've got so many, I will try to read as many as I can before the

:29:14. > :29:16.end of the programme. If you want to talk to somebody, if you're

:29:17. > :29:19.experiencing mental health issues, then you can get more information

:29:20. > :29:37.and support and advice from the BBC's Action line page. Still to

:29:38. > :29:42.come... The story of the leading Bitcoin developer who went to fight

:29:43. > :29:46.in Syria. And should you be jailed for revenge pornography? We will

:29:47. > :29:53.speak to one young woman who thinks her ex wasn't punished enough.

:29:54. > :29:56.Plans to repatriate more than forty years worth of powers

:29:57. > :30:00.from the European Union will start this morning with the publication

:30:01. > :30:05.The Government paper intends to convert thousands of EU

:30:06. > :30:10.House of Commons officials have described the process as one

:30:11. > :30:15.of the largest legislative projects ever undertaken in the UK.

:30:16. > :30:21.Brexit Secretary David Davis explained how it will work.

:30:22. > :30:26.What it does first off so that people understand, it takes all of

:30:27. > :30:33.the 40 years of European law up to the point when we leave and it puts

:30:34. > :30:38.it into UK law. That is not a straightforward process but it's a

:30:39. > :30:41.limited process. We do that in a way that it work, so a that all the law

:30:42. > :30:45.continues to work. That means when we start on the EU trade deal, we

:30:46. > :30:50.are in the same place as every other country in Europe. After that, we'll

:30:51. > :30:53.have to do legislation on immigration, customs and other

:30:54. > :30:56.things and that will be done substantially by Parliament, though

:30:57. > :30:59.there'll be a number of such laws I think. Parliament will make those

:31:00. > :31:02.decisions. This is a big transformation. We shouldn't

:31:03. > :31:05.underestimate that we've got a task to do. It's moment us to but it's

:31:06. > :31:08.not beyond us. The Insurance Market,

:31:09. > :31:11.Lloyd's of London, says it will open a new office in Brussels

:31:12. > :31:14.in early 2019. Lloyds says it's concerned that once

:31:15. > :31:17.the UK has left the EU, it will lose the right

:31:18. > :31:19.to sell its products A retired college lecturer

:31:20. > :31:23.who is terminally ill has lost a High Court bid to challenge

:31:24. > :31:26.the law on assisted dying. Neil Conway, who is 67 and has

:31:27. > :31:29.motor neurone disease, says the 1961 Suicide Act

:31:30. > :31:46.condemns him to an undignified Some news just in. A man has been

:31:47. > :31:50.arrested in Dudley after three members of same family were found

:31:51. > :31:53.stabbed at their home. Police were called to an address in Stourbridge

:31:54. > :31:56.where they found a man, woman and boy with serious injuries. A car

:31:57. > :32:01.stolen from outside the house was stopped by police and a man in his

:32:02. > :32:07.20s was arrested. More on that developing story as we get it. A

:32:08. > :32:11.privately owned helicopter with five people on board has disappeared over

:32:12. > :32:14.North Wales. It's believed to have been travelling from Milton Keynes

:32:15. > :32:18.to Dublin via Caernarfon bay. A land search is under way but the aerial

:32:19. > :32:22.search has been suspended due to poor wealth. Organisers of the

:32:23. > :32:26.Oscars say they'll continue to work with the accountancy firm PWC

:32:27. > :32:31.despite the mistake which led to La La Land being wrongly announced as

:32:32. > :32:34.winner of Best Picture instead of Moonlight. This is the moment

:32:35. > :32:37.Hollywood realised someone didn't follow the script last month to make

:32:38. > :32:41.sure a similar mistake doesn't happen next year there'll be an

:32:42. > :32:43.extra accountant on hand and electronic devices will be banned

:32:44. > :32:45.backstage. That's a summary of the latest

:32:46. > :32:48.news - join me for BBC We're hanging on for a decision

:32:49. > :33:00.from Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger And we're still in suspense,

:33:01. > :33:04.because Wenger refused to confirm He's been under increasing

:33:05. > :33:09.pressure in recent months, with Arsenal sitting sixth

:33:10. > :33:20.in the Premier League and four Jo Pavey says it's a bitter sweet

:33:21. > :33:25.feeling to receive a medal ten years after the race. She was upgraded

:33:26. > :33:30.after the athlete who took the silver was disqualified for doping.

:33:31. > :33:35.Johanna Konta is into the semi-finals of the him Mile Open.

:33:36. > :33:38.She'll face Venus Williams next in the last four, to be played

:33:39. > :33:42.overnight. Manchester City's women take on a 1-0 aggregate lead into

:33:43. > :33:49.the Champions League quarter-finals second leg at home to Danish side

:33:50. > :33:58.Fortuna. Best of luck to them. That's all the sport.

:33:59. > :34:01.Police can face a backlog of up to five months to analyse computers

:34:02. > :34:05.linked to suspected paedophiles, a report by an MP has found.

:34:06. > :34:08.Ann Coffey highlighted the delays as part of a study into child sexual

:34:09. > :34:12.The report found the number of "known or suspected" child sex

:34:13. > :34:18.offenders in the region had risen to 1,139, double the number

:34:19. > :34:29.Probably worth reminding our audience in terms of what you found

:34:30. > :34:32.in the report, then we can compare and contrast.

:34:33. > :34:36.What I found was that there were attitudes which blamed the children

:34:37. > :34:40.for their own sexual exploitation. Some were seen as prostitutes, some

:34:41. > :34:44.were seen as making a lifestyle choice. Of course, that created

:34:45. > :34:48.barrier, because victims, if they feel they are not going to be

:34:49. > :34:54.blamed, are not going to come forward and say they've been

:34:55. > :34:59.sexually abused. So I looked at some aspects of that report and found

:35:00. > :35:03.that there was a greater awareness and understanding of child sexual

:35:04. > :35:08.exploitation among the police, other agencies and the public. That of

:35:09. > :35:12.course has led to a higher level of reporting of child sexual offences

:35:13. > :35:21.against children which is shocking when it begins to reveal the extent

:35:22. > :35:24.of child abuse in Greater Manchester and probably they're still

:35:25. > :35:28.unreported particularly in relation to child sexual ex-employmentation

:35:29. > :35:32.of boys. But that increase in the number of people reporting is a good

:35:33. > :35:35.thing, however it has a knock-on effect for the police and the

:35:36. > :35:46.resources they can put to this crime and what has been the knock-on oaf?

:35:47. > :35:54.-- child sexual exploitation. 85% of Child Exploitation begins

:35:55. > :35:58.online. Now, it's very important to disrupt that activity quickly

:35:59. > :36:03.because the paedophiles can contact many, many, many children. So any

:36:04. > :36:06.delay in seizing their computer, examining the evidence, prosecuting

:36:07. > :36:11.them, means that other children are put in danger. So it's very, very

:36:12. > :36:16.important that the police have the resources to disrupt this activity

:36:17. > :36:21.by these paedophiles. According to your report, bliss received just

:36:22. > :36:28.over 10,000 pieces of intelligence between October 2014 and June 2016,

:36:29. > :36:32.including anonymous tip-offs in terms of child sexual exploitation.

:36:33. > :36:38.Almost half of those against girls and boys under the age of 13. If

:36:39. > :36:41.they don't have the resources to disrupt, as you put it what the

:36:42. > :36:46.paedophiles are doing, what will be the impact? Well, we really need to

:36:47. > :36:51.prevent children being sexually abused. Of course, one of the most

:36:52. > :36:55.important things to do is to give children information. So schools are

:36:56. > :36:59.very important making sure that children have the information, the

:37:00. > :37:04.knowledge, so that they understand when they are being groomed. They

:37:05. > :37:09.themselves can disrupt the activity and reports it to the police. It's

:37:10. > :37:17.important that the wider community protects children because the police

:37:18. > :37:19.can't do it alone. This is why these 10,000 pieces of intelligence are

:37:20. > :37:25.important coming from the community. It's important for the police to use

:37:26. > :37:28.what they have at their disposal to disrupt activities by people they

:37:29. > :37:33.suspect trying the groom children to sex abuse them. But the point is,

:37:34. > :37:39.from what you have discovered, any delay in examining the devices, that

:37:40. > :37:45.means that the paedophile is potentially continuing to groom and

:37:46. > :37:48.abuse other children? Of course. They'll continue to do it until

:37:49. > :37:52.they're arrested and charged and until they're put on the Sex

:37:53. > :37:56.Offenders' Register where they can be supervised and monitored. So it's

:37:57. > :38:01.critically important that the police get the resources so ensure that

:38:02. > :38:03.they can disrupt the activity of paedophiles who're trying to contact

:38:04. > :38:09.children online as quickly as possible. Of course, because there

:38:10. > :38:14.is this kind of forensic evidence available on the computer, it leads

:38:15. > :38:16.to a high number of prosecutions and convictions, meaning more children

:38:17. > :38:27.are safe. Thank you very much.

:38:28. > :38:40.Amir Taaki is a leading developer of the online currency Bitcoin.

:38:41. > :38:42.But now he's revealed to the BBC that he has

:38:43. > :38:44.been fighting in Syria, and is now under

:38:45. > :38:47.So why would a computer hacker go to war?

:38:48. > :38:54.I went there with the mindset that whatever I need to do, I'm willing

:38:55. > :38:57.But I had to learn how to fight in the war.

:38:58. > :38:59.What training did you have, and how were

:39:00. > :39:03.I had no training, and I was given a Kalashnikov and four

:39:04. > :39:12.The other foreigners, when we were on the way,

:39:13. > :39:16.Amir Taaki is known for inhabiting the darkest corners of

:39:17. > :39:21.A master of coding and a hacker, he gained fame building

:39:22. > :39:25.software to enable anonymous transactions with Bitcoin,

:39:26. > :39:28.potentially untraceable by governments and banks.

:39:29. > :39:31.Bitcoin, just like the internet and these other

:39:32. > :39:35.tools, it's one of these equalising technologies that everybody has

:39:36. > :39:41.But now, Amir Taaki has revealed that in 2015 he travelled

:39:42. > :39:45.to Syria and began fighting on the front lines

:39:46. > :39:51.What had you told your family about where you were going?

:39:52. > :39:53.I didn't tell them anything, because I didn't want

:39:54. > :39:57.them to stop me, I didn't want them to tell the police.

:39:58. > :40:00.So, why would a computer hacker go to war?

:40:01. > :40:03.The Kurdish units Amir Taaki said he fought

:40:04. > :40:06.with are recognised as the

:40:07. > :40:09.West's most important ally in the deadly ground war against IS.

:40:10. > :40:12.But the Kurds are also creating a new type

:40:13. > :40:16.They say their revolutionary ideas are creating

:40:17. > :40:18.communities much freer from state control.

:40:19. > :40:22.And this, Amir Taaki says, is what inspired him to go.

:40:23. > :40:25.There's this atmosphere in the Society of

:40:26. > :40:30.people working for something bigger than themselves.

:40:31. > :40:33.In the wake of IS terror, their vision, to live with

:40:34. > :40:37.Eventually, Amir Taaki says he left the fighting and went on to develop

:40:38. > :40:40.local projects with the Syrian Kurds.

:40:41. > :40:43.We will build facilities to process collected waste, to make

:40:44. > :40:54.low-cost, highly efficient fertiliser.

:40:55. > :40:57.Like this crowdfunding campaign which he says raised money

:40:58. > :40:59.and then built fertiliser factories to help Syrian farmers grow more

:41:00. > :41:06.They're trying to create a people's economy, by the people, for

:41:07. > :41:10.To help establish a decentralised economy, you need

:41:11. > :41:15.This place is under embargo, so there's no way to

:41:16. > :41:18.move money in and out, so we have to actually

:41:19. > :41:21.create our own Bitcoin economy here if we want to establish

:41:22. > :41:32.But keeping transactions secret has also led to

:41:33. > :41:35.warnings that Bitcoin could be used to help money-laundering and

:41:36. > :41:39.And when Amir Taaki returned to the UK, he found

:41:40. > :41:43.his activities had raised the suspicions

:41:44. > :41:45.of the authorities, which had a grave effect.

:41:46. > :41:50.They stopped the plane, and they arrested me and

:41:51. > :41:53.investigated me for one year under the terrorism act.

:41:54. > :41:57.They confiscate phones and everything, and they have

:41:58. > :42:02.an investigation against me that's open indefinitely.

:42:03. > :42:05.Some might say you've been in a war zone, picked up

:42:06. > :42:10.Isn't it right that the security services will have

:42:11. > :42:13.to take an interest in someone like you and find

:42:14. > :42:19.Sure, but there is a lot of foreigners have gone to join YPG.

:42:20. > :42:23.Amir Taaki has spent the last 12 months on police bail.

:42:24. > :42:27.You think, because of your skills as a hacker,

:42:28. > :42:32.you think the authorities are taking a greater interest in you?

:42:33. > :42:41.In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in Fort

:42:42. > :42:44.In the eyes of the law, have you become involved in what

:42:45. > :42:50.I don't support terrorism or terrorist acts.

:42:51. > :42:55.Why not just use your other skills right from the start?

:42:56. > :42:57.I went there with the idea that whatever is

:42:58. > :43:01.You contributed to violence - how do you

:43:02. > :43:05.I'm very proud of having fought against Isis.

:43:06. > :43:08.You've been warned you risk breaking counterterror laws.

:43:09. > :43:12.This could have very serious consequences for your

:43:13. > :43:25.You know, if I have to go back, I'll go back.

:43:26. > :43:28.You could work in Silicon Valley, you could have an

:43:29. > :43:31.amazing career with your skills - why not take that route?

:43:32. > :43:36.That's our objective as human beings.

:43:37. > :43:39.But along with Amir Taaki's vision of a

:43:40. > :43:44.new world, it's also clear his technology may be of use to

:43:45. > :43:47.potential extremists as well as to the communities he is trying to

:43:48. > :43:51.And Emma Vardy, who you saw in that report joins me now.

:43:52. > :43:55.How many people go to Syria to fight IS?

:43:56. > :44:00.It's just really difficult to know because some people are very public

:44:01. > :44:07.about it and others are much more under the radar. Amir says he went

:44:08. > :44:11.to fight with the YPG. Other people join other Kurdish groups called the

:44:12. > :44:14.Peshmerga. The YPG claims hundreds of volunteers have fought with them,

:44:15. > :44:15.people from all over the world. We know Canada, America and even

:44:16. > :44:18.Australia. The Kurdish group is not banned

:44:19. > :44:27.here, but that's not This is where it gets politically

:44:28. > :44:32.difficult. Although the YPG are known to have been successful in

:44:33. > :44:35.towns and villages, they've taken back IS-held territory, but the

:44:36. > :44:39.Kurds also have a deep-rooted history of conflict with Turkey.

:44:40. > :44:42.Turkey does consider the YPG a terror organisation, so for people

:44:43. > :44:51.going to join this conflict, it's difficult territory. What do the

:44:52. > :44:55.police say? They say again and again don't go to Syria and the Met Police

:44:56. > :44:58.have issued warnings saying, if you play any role, you can expect to be

:44:59. > :45:03.questioned at the very least when you come back. In a statement the

:45:04. > :45:06.police told me those who've committed criminal offences can

:45:07. > :45:11.expect to be prosecuted. However any December six on whether to

:45:12. > :45:17.prosecution will be taken by the CPS on a case by case basis -- however

:45:18. > :45:23.any decisions on whether to prosecute. It's difficult for us as

:45:24. > :45:26.journalists to independently verify a story like Amir's and with him,

:45:27. > :45:29.perhaps the Security Services aren't sure where to place him. We'll see

:45:30. > :45:37.more cases like this to come. Thank you very much.

:45:38. > :45:48.Thank you to Laura, who has e-mailed about mental health which we have

:45:49. > :45:53.been talking a lot about this morning, because of a campaign led

:45:54. > :45:58.by Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry. Laura says, I was

:45:59. > :46:03.overjoyed to hear your programme this morning. I was a full-time

:46:04. > :46:06.working single mum, earning a 6-figure salary, putting my son

:46:07. > :46:10.through private school and doing bits of charity fundraising through

:46:11. > :46:13.the marathon and things. Basically on the go, always busy and in pretty

:46:14. > :46:18.good physical shape. Over a period of around 18 months, I suddenly

:46:19. > :46:21.found myself struggling to make decisions, losing self-confidence

:46:22. > :46:25.and generally thinking I was getting dementia. I was incredibly down and

:46:26. > :46:29.had no-one to speak to. Eventually, on the last night of a holiday with

:46:30. > :46:32.my son, I couldn't sleep and I sat bolt upright all night long. When I

:46:33. > :46:36.got back from holiday I went to see my GP. And he simply suggested that

:46:37. > :46:42.my life as it was was not sustainable. I finally felt like I

:46:43. > :46:46.had permission to take my foot off the pedal. My lifestyle is very

:46:47. > :46:50.different today but I am happy and I get to spend much more time now with

:46:51. > :46:53.my ten-year-old son. My simple mission is to get women talking, and

:46:54. > :46:57.if I can prevent one woman from going through what I did, all one

:46:58. > :47:00.boss going through what my boss did, I will know I'm doing the right

:47:01. > :47:07.thing. Thank you very much for that, Laura. Next on the programme...

:47:08. > :47:10.For the victims, it's a devastating crime that has led to some people

:47:11. > :47:17.Yet revenge pornography wasn't made a crime until April 2015.

:47:18. > :47:19.It carries with it a maximum prison term of two years,

:47:20. > :47:22.but today, for the first time, guidelines have been drafted

:47:23. > :47:24.for courts dealing with those convicted of disclosing

:47:25. > :47:28.Behaviour designed to cause maximum distress -

:47:29. > :47:35.such as sending images to a victim's family who are very religious,

:47:36. > :47:38.or to their young siblings - will be dealt with in

:47:39. > :47:41.But are the sentences tough enough and will the guidelines

:47:42. > :47:46.With us now are Dr Anne Olivarius, a lawyer who represents revenge porn

:47:47. > :47:50.victims and Keeley Richards-Shaw, whose ex became the first person

:47:51. > :47:54.to be convicted of revenge pornography under the new laws.

:47:55. > :48:00.Thank you very much for talking to us. Starting with you, Keeley

:48:01. > :48:07.Richards-Shaw, you and your ex have been separated for some time, and

:48:08. > :48:10.you discovered after sometime separated, that he had photographs

:48:11. > :48:17.of you naked, how did you discover this? Well, I was made aware by his

:48:18. > :48:21.then girlfriend, who message me the pictures that he sent to her and

:48:22. > :48:24.said, you need to know what he's doing, this is it. I saw them and I

:48:25. > :48:32.did not even know that he had got these pictures. And he just wanted a

:48:33. > :48:36.reaction from the, really, because I was ignoring him, he wanted a

:48:37. > :48:40.reaction. And what did he do with the pictures, he shared them with

:48:41. > :48:44.his then girlfriend and there was one large image and then there was a

:48:45. > :48:50.laptop with about 15 other images on its. How did it make you feel?

:48:51. > :48:56.Awful. I was embarrassed, I was degraded, I didn't really know what

:48:57. > :48:59.to do. Fair enough, I know some people allow pictures to be taken in

:49:00. > :49:02.relationships, but I would not allow that and I did not even know the

:49:03. > :49:09.pictures had been taken, it was horrendous. It was part of a broader

:49:10. > :49:13.pattern I think of behaviour from him, where he was trying to get a

:49:14. > :49:19.reaction from you, or control you - what was it in the end that made you

:49:20. > :49:23.want decide to go to the police? People had been saying for a while,

:49:24. > :49:27.you need to go to the police because there was also stalking offences is

:49:28. > :49:30.there as well. He would turn up at my house, he would follow me to

:49:31. > :49:34.work. These pictures was the final thing. Even when I saw them on the

:49:35. > :49:38.screen, I still didn't really know what to do because I did not want to

:49:39. > :49:43.go to the police. And then I spoke to my mum about it, and sushi she

:49:44. > :49:47.said, no, this isn't right. I went to the police not knowing anything

:49:48. > :49:50.about the new law. So I started with stalking and then gradually got onto

:49:51. > :49:54.the photographs and that was when they told me about the new law which

:49:55. > :50:00.had come in. What sentence was he given in the end? He was given a 13

:50:01. > :50:06.week sentence suspended for 12 months, fined and community service.

:50:07. > :50:11.But also there was stalking offences in that as well. So it was a 13 week

:50:12. > :50:17.jail sentence suspended for a period of time. In other words, there was

:50:18. > :50:29.no custody. No. He also got a restraining the restraining order,

:50:30. > :50:34.which he broke and it is still to go through court. Let me bring in Dr

:50:35. > :50:39.Anne Olivarius. Can you tell our audience a little bit about the new

:50:40. > :50:46.guidelines? As I read them, only if the victim is considered vulnerable

:50:47. > :50:53.will there be a prison sentence? Of course we don't know how these will

:50:54. > :51:00.be interpreted yet. It is a very weak law, it hasn't been applied

:51:01. > :51:04.with vigour and determination. One feels almost its not taken

:51:05. > :51:10.seriously. From the judicial site, you don't know how they're going to

:51:11. > :51:15.respond until they start to actually sentence people. But certainly, it

:51:16. > :51:19.doesn't warm our hearts. Is it weak because of the way it has been

:51:20. > :51:25.drafted, or is it week because the judges are just not putting it into

:51:26. > :51:32.practice? The law itself is weak because it focuses on intent. So

:51:33. > :51:36.there are three parts of a law. If a man, because mostly it is a crime

:51:37. > :51:42.against women, 90% of the victims are women, so if a man says, I'm

:51:43. > :51:45.just going to have a good time, I'm having a good time with the lads and

:51:46. > :51:48.we're just going to to throw these pictures up, it's fine, it's not

:51:49. > :51:52.against the law. If you say, and then make some money and send these

:51:53. > :51:56.all over the internet, that's not against the law. It's only if you

:51:57. > :52:01.say, I'm intending to hurt her feelings, to degrade and humiliate

:52:02. > :52:04.her, as happened to this good woman here, then that is against the law.

:52:05. > :52:09.So it's a very narrow interpretation of the law. And it's about what he

:52:10. > :52:20.intended to do, not about her consent. Did she consent, was she

:52:21. > :52:28.even aware? So it's not about consent, or distress caused, either.

:52:29. > :52:31.Exactly, it is all about him, still. My understanding from the

:52:32. > :52:34.Exactly, it is all about him, still. My understanding from can post

:52:35. > :52:40.sexual images online and cause major distress and be spared jail. Only if

:52:41. > :52:48.the victim is considered vulnerable will there be a prison sentence.

:52:49. > :52:53.Killie, did you consider yourself vulnerable at the time when your ex

:52:54. > :53:00.went to court? At the time, I did, yeah. It got a lot of publicity as

:53:01. > :53:06.well. But whether or not you're vulnerable, people put on a good

:53:07. > :53:09.face sometimes, so no matter how they are shared, or who they are

:53:10. > :53:13.shared with, I think it should still be the same punishment, because

:53:14. > :53:17.those pictures are still being shared. I didn't know the pictured

:53:18. > :53:23.had even been taken, which makes it even worse, really. It's breaking

:53:24. > :53:26.that trust. But I think they need punishing for sharing pictures with

:53:27. > :53:33.whoever. By that, do you mean a jail sentence for every revenge

:53:34. > :53:39.pornography perpetrator? I do, yeah. It has ruined people's lives. I had

:53:40. > :53:43.the press on my doorstep, and we were trying through the campaign to

:53:44. > :53:53.keep the names of victims out of the press. But should I think there

:53:54. > :53:56.needs to be a prison sentence. As a lawyer, Dr Anne Olivarius, what do

:53:57. > :54:03.we need to improve the conviction rate, a redrafting of the law?

:54:04. > :54:07.Certainly think you need a civil law, you need to be able to go after

:54:08. > :54:12.damages, money damages, society understands that. That needs the

:54:13. > :54:16.victim to pay for that, doesn't it? No, because there are law firms like

:54:17. > :54:21.ours, we represent victims all the time. If there were damages at the

:54:22. > :54:25.end which could be collectable, that would make a big difference. The

:54:26. > :54:30.police attitude has to change. We have a very well-known case, where

:54:31. > :54:37.she was filmed being raped after she became paralytic drunk with her ex

:54:38. > :54:41.partner. He filmed her, she didn't know it, he put this up on a website

:54:42. > :54:44.and we went to the Met and said, laughing we would like to take this

:54:45. > :54:49.forward under the new law. Their response was, no. And when we

:54:50. > :54:53.queried it, they said, there was a sex toy which he had put into the

:54:54. > :55:00.picture and somehow, that was her fault. The second reason which made

:55:01. > :55:04.us realise we had no chance to have this reconsidered is that she had

:55:05. > :55:07.shaved her pubic hair, and any girl that did that, clearly had the

:55:08. > :55:16.intention to give pictures and engage in this behaviour. I cannot

:55:17. > :55:19.believe that, oh, my god. That is how we felt. There are very few

:55:20. > :55:26.prosecutions under the law. People say, not enough police services.

:55:27. > :55:31.Fine. Have the person, if found guilty, pay a fine, and let that

:55:32. > :55:34.money perhaps even go to pay for the police services to investigate

:55:35. > :55:36.further. There's no reason that the Government should have to pay for

:55:37. > :55:43.this. That the system pay for it themselves. Thank you very much.

:55:44. > :55:52.Killie, thank you very much for coming onto the programme again.

:55:53. > :55:56.Next, completely changing the tone, let's talk about this statue of

:55:57. > :56:00.Cristiano Ronaldo. It has been unveiled on the Portuguese island of

:56:01. > :56:12.Madeira. When they unveiled it, he was putting on a brave face. He did

:56:13. > :56:19.sort of laugh at it. At the moment where they pulled the Vale of the

:56:20. > :56:25.bust, he was smiling and trying to look reasonably pleased to. Loads of

:56:26. > :56:28.people on social media, as you can imagine, have been not very come

:56:29. > :56:34.from entry, questioning whether it even resembles him. So, some of you

:56:35. > :56:37.think it looks like Geoff Boycott. It is not the first time works of

:56:38. > :56:41.art have received attention for the wrong reasons. Andy Murray,

:56:42. > :56:44.immortalised as a terracotta warrior after winning a tournament in

:56:45. > :56:53.Shanghai. That looks like Geoff Hurst! In fact, all the statues look

:56:54. > :56:57.like people whose Christian name is Geoff! And we have got one to

:56:58. > :57:04.recognise the career of Newcastle United legend Anil Shearer. -- Alan

:57:05. > :57:10.Shearer. After that, Alan Shearer joked, he liked the almost 9ft tall

:57:11. > :57:16.statue because it had hair! The owner of Fulham, Mohamed Al Fayed,

:57:17. > :57:22.put up a 7ft tall statue of Michael Jackson in 2011 which was so

:57:23. > :57:27.embarrassing for Fulham fans, it is now in the National Football Museum.

:57:28. > :57:29.And who could forget the work of an amateur art restorer in a small

:57:30. > :57:35.village in Spain. The woman attempted to fix a fresco of the

:57:36. > :57:39.face of Jesus. Her work became a national joke, but had the last

:57:40. > :57:44.laugh as the village saw a huge increase in tourism. I need to read

:57:45. > :57:53.this e-mail from Dominic. I don't know if I have time it's about

:57:54. > :57:55.mental health. I found my father dead at our home after he committed

:57:56. > :58:02.suicide when I was 16. Three years later, shortly after I started

:58:03. > :58:09.university, I broke down. And then I opened the floodgates to my friends

:58:10. > :58:13.and was amazed by their reactions. I now have an incredible group of

:58:14. > :58:19.people that carry me through my toughest days. My friends from

:58:20. > :58:24.school and others. And most of them are men of we now see talking,

:58:25. > :58:28.sharing and sharing emotion as the bond that strengthens our emotion.

:58:29. > :58:31.Thank you very much, dominant. Thanks to all of you who have got in

:58:32. > :58:32.touch today. We really appreciate it.

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