04/04/2017

:00:07. > :00:08.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:09. > :00:14.On the programme today, a hospital in leeds says allowing

:00:15. > :00:17.mums and dads to do the caring for their own premature baby,

:00:18. > :00:19.is having a dramatic and beneficial effect.

:00:20. > :00:25.We've had exclusive access to the neo-natal unit.

:00:26. > :00:33.It's just nice to feel like a mum instead of just somebody watched --

:00:34. > :00:35.stood watching. I could feel her and she felt safe.

:00:36. > :00:37.We bring you that report before 9:30.

:00:38. > :00:39.Also on the programme - campaigners are calling

:00:40. > :00:41.on the government to rethink cuts to payments for bereaved parents

:00:42. > :00:45.They've been described as callous and brutal by critics.

:00:46. > :00:47.And will the FA punish the Sunderland manager,

:00:48. > :00:56.David Moyes, for saying this to a female reporter?

:00:57. > :01:03.It was just getting a wee bit naughty at the end. Just watch

:01:04. > :01:10.yourself. You still might get a slap even though you are a woman.

:01:11. > :01:11.Hello. Welcome to the programme.

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:01:28. > :01:29.Our top story today - Russian investigators are thought

:01:30. > :01:31.to have identified the man suspected of killing 11 people

:01:32. > :01:35.in the St Petersburg underground attack.

:01:36. > :01:37.49 people were injured in the explosion between the two

:01:38. > :01:38.underground stations yesterday afternoon.

:01:39. > :01:49.In Russia's second city, a show of grief and solidarity.

:01:50. > :01:50.President Vladimir Putin was in St Petersburg

:01:51. > :01:57.Above the station where the bombed train ended its journey,

:01:58. > :02:03.he paid his respects to those killed and injured on Monday afternoon.

:02:04. > :02:08.From underground, images have emerged of the mangled Metro train -

:02:09. > :02:10.doors blown out, passengers trying to escape the wreckage,

:02:11. > :02:15.Local media are reporting that the suspect is a man

:02:16. > :02:18.in his 20s from Central Asia but there are conflicting reports as

:02:19. > :02:28.TRANSLATION: Law enforcement bodies and special services are working

:02:29. > :02:31.and will do all they can in order to find out the cause

:02:32. > :02:34.At a nearby station, a second explosive device

:02:35. > :02:40.Security has been tightened across the country.

:02:41. > :02:44.Officials say this was an act of terror.

:02:45. > :02:45.Yet, at this makeshift memorial, Russians remained

:02:46. > :02:53.TRANSLATION: I am certain that we Russians will not be divided.

:02:54. > :02:57.At this precise moment, all people of all faiths,

:02:58. > :02:59.all religions, and all political borders, everyone

:03:00. > :03:09.In recent years there have been several attacks on Russia's planes,

:03:10. > :03:13.Once again, ordinary Russians are asking how and why their loved

:03:14. > :03:23.ones asking how and why their loved ones were killed.

:03:24. > :03:34.Live to Moscow and our correspondent. How might President

:03:35. > :03:37.Putin react? There is talk that the investigation, which just started,

:03:38. > :03:41.may have some political results because it has been known for the

:03:42. > :03:47.Russian authorities to make reaction which is not immediately connected

:03:48. > :03:53.to fighting terror. For example, in the Bellas school siege in 2004, Mr

:03:54. > :03:59.Putin cancelled regional elections for the governments. Analysts still

:04:00. > :04:03.struggle to see the connection. Obviously it is still too early to

:04:04. > :04:09.say. There are presidential elections next year. The theme of

:04:10. > :04:14.security, according to some analysts, would be a convenient one

:04:15. > :04:21.to play upon in preparation. Once again, none of this has happened

:04:22. > :04:24.yet. There are no statements coming from the authorities, not even from

:04:25. > :04:27.the investigation itself. Most of the talking is being done by

:04:28. > :04:28.security services elsewhere. Thank you very much.

:04:29. > :04:30.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:04:31. > :04:34.A group of MPs has accused the government of making

:04:35. > :04:36."unsubstantiated claims" about the potential impact

:04:37. > :04:39.of failing to reach a Brexit deal with the EU.

:04:40. > :04:40.The Exiting the EU Committee report criticised

:04:41. > :04:43.the Prime Minister's position that no deal was better than

:04:44. > :04:46.a bad deal, and called on the government to carry out

:04:47. > :04:50.But some of the committee members say the report is rushed

:04:51. > :04:56.Theresa May responded by saying that it is in both the UK

:04:57. > :05:06.and the EU's interest to strike a good deal.

:05:07. > :05:12.I've been very clear that I want to get the best deal possible for the

:05:13. > :05:16.UK from these negotiations with the European Union. I think that would

:05:17. > :05:19.be a good deal for the EU. The EU itself has said it wants a good

:05:20. > :05:24.future relationship with us. I was clearing the letter I sent to Donald

:05:25. > :05:28.Tusk in triggering Article 50, that if we don't get a deal, we fall back

:05:29. > :05:32.on WTO arrangements for trade. I don't think that is in the interest

:05:33. > :05:34.of either side. That is why we will both be working to make sure we get

:05:35. > :05:36.the best possible deal. Researchers say they are closer

:05:37. > :05:38.to understanding why firefighters are at such a high risk of suffering

:05:39. > :05:42.heart attacks.The authors of a new study say firefighters'

:05:43. > :05:45.blood becomes sticky at high temperatures and their blood

:05:46. > :05:58.vessels fail to relax Experienced firefighter Simon

:05:59. > :06:05.McNally used to train new recruits. It meant several times a day he was

:06:06. > :06:10.exposed to fires of almost 1000 Celsius. Then one day at work he had

:06:11. > :06:14.a heart attack. I was in denial. You are hoping it is something else. You

:06:15. > :06:19.are hoping it is not going to be as sinister as a heart attack. It came

:06:20. > :06:22.as a bit of a shock. We keep ourselves reasonably fit in the fire

:06:23. > :06:26.service. We have departed standard test every year. It was a bit

:06:27. > :06:32.confusing to be faced with those symptoms. Heart attacks are the

:06:33. > :06:35.leading cause of death for front line firefighters. Studies in

:06:36. > :06:39.America shown almost half of all firefighters who died on Judy are

:06:40. > :06:46.killed by heart problems. The new research carried out by Edinburgh

:06:47. > :06:50.University monitored the heart of 19 healthy firefighters during mock

:06:51. > :06:55.rescues. It found body temperatures rose by one Celsius and remained

:06:56. > :07:01.high for a up to four hours afterwards. Blood pressure that's my

:07:02. > :07:05.blood vessels failed to react -- relax and the blood became stickier,

:07:06. > :07:09.forming potentially harmful clots. Scientists believe the reason was

:07:10. > :07:13.the extreme physical exertion and heat. They say simple measures like

:07:14. > :07:15.staying hydrated and breaks are vital for saving the lives of

:07:16. > :07:17.firefighters. British scientists say they've

:07:18. > :07:20.created a sieve capable of removing It uses a derivative of graphene,

:07:21. > :07:25.a fine sheet of carbon The development, at the University

:07:26. > :07:28.of Manchester, has the potential to improve access to clean drinking

:07:29. > :07:31.water for millions of The Church of England has accused

:07:32. > :07:39.cadbury and the National Trust of "airbrushing faith",

:07:40. > :07:41.after it dropped the word "Easter" The Archbishop of York,

:07:42. > :07:45.John Sentamu, described the decision as "spitting on the grave"

:07:46. > :07:48.of John Cadbury, the The National Trust said

:07:49. > :07:54.the accusations were nonsense. This programme has had exclusive

:07:55. > :07:58.access to a pioneering neo-natal unit that is trying to address

:07:59. > :08:02.the financial and emotional cost of a lengthy stay in hospital,

:08:03. > :08:05.by putting parents in charge St James' Hospital in Leeds lets

:08:06. > :08:10.parents decide when to give medication, and when and how

:08:11. > :08:12.to feed their babies. They take lessons in looking

:08:13. > :08:14.after their children Nurses at the centre say

:08:15. > :08:17.the experiment as had a positive effect on patients

:08:18. > :08:25.and their families. Theresa May has defended cuts

:08:26. > :08:36.to bereaved family payments as "fairer to taxpayers",

:08:37. > :08:38.in a week where families with a terminally ill parent

:08:39. > :08:41.could see thousands of pounds wiped off their benefits if the parent

:08:42. > :08:48.survives beyond the new rules Campaigners have called the move

:08:49. > :08:52.callous and brutal. Later in this programme we will be speaking to

:08:53. > :08:54.Allen, who is terminally ill and says the changes will cost his

:08:55. > :08:55.family tens of thousands of pounds. Prince Harry is supporting

:08:56. > :08:58.a bid to rid the world of landmines by 2025,

:08:59. > :08:59.following in the footsteps of his mother Diana,

:09:00. > :09:02.Princess of Wales. The prince will give a keynote

:09:03. > :09:05.speech at Kensington Palace to mark More than 60 million people

:09:06. > :09:11.are estimated to still live with the threat of unexploded

:09:12. > :09:14.landmines. That's a summary of

:09:15. > :09:28.the latest BBC News. We will bring you our film on a new

:09:29. > :09:34.way of caring for premature babies in a moment. If you have a -- had a

:09:35. > :09:39.premature baby, how do they organise things at your neonatal unit? Have

:09:40. > :09:40.you felt shut out? Do what Shaw film.

:09:41. > :09:51.I wonder if the FA will punish David Moyes for those sexist comments to

:09:52. > :09:57.the female sports reporter? Good morning. That is a big question

:09:58. > :10:02.this morning for the FA. They will write to David Moyes and ask him

:10:03. > :10:07.exactly what he meant by what he said to Vicki Sparkes. It happened a

:10:08. > :10:10.month ago, sorry, last month, after they match against Burnley.

:10:11. > :10:16.Essentially Vicki Sparkes asked David Moyes if the presence of the

:10:17. > :10:19.Sunderland owner had added to pressure around his role. It is a

:10:20. > :10:24.question he clearly wasn't very happy about. I want to give you a

:10:25. > :10:30.quick listen to what was her -- said afterwards. Just getting a wee bit

:10:31. > :10:38.naughty at the end. Just watch yourself. You still might get a slap

:10:39. > :10:45.even though you are a woman. Careful the next time you come in.

:10:46. > :10:48.What David Moyes meant by those words, we are not sure. He says he

:10:49. > :10:53.deeply regrets them. He is sorry about what he said. There are

:10:54. > :10:57.questions now over whether he should stay within football. We know

:10:58. > :11:01.football has had issues in the past around discrimination. But now David

:11:02. > :11:06.Moyes' future is being questioned. The FA will be asking him exactly

:11:07. > :11:10.what he meant. At the moment he will still be in the dugout for

:11:11. > :11:16.Sunderland as they take on Leicester this evening.

:11:17. > :11:25.It makes me wince every time I hear it. What do know about when David

:11:26. > :11:30.Moyes apologised to the reporter? We know he did apologise. We know the

:11:31. > :11:37.apology was accepted. We know that he did apologise and the club

:11:38. > :11:41.apologised a day Ahmad two after that match. Yesterday, speaking to

:11:42. > :11:45.the media, he reiterated that apology. It was in the heat of the

:11:46. > :11:53.moment and I deeply regret the comments I made. That is certainly

:11:54. > :11:59.not the person who I am. I accept it was a mistake. I spoke to the BBC

:12:00. > :12:05.reporter, who accepted my apology. And hopefully we all move on. David

:12:06. > :12:09.Moyes wants to move on but there is pressure over his role. Already by

:12:10. > :12:12.some of the Premier League, there are real questions over whether he

:12:13. > :12:20.should be involved as the Sunderland boss due to this issue. Some of the

:12:21. > :12:25.reaction? Give us a flavoured? Virtually every bag page covers a

:12:26. > :12:26.story on David Moyes and whether he should be Sunderland manager.

:12:27. > :12:29.The reaction has been slightly mixed to be honest.

:12:30. > :12:32.Match of the Day host Gary Lineker has called

:12:33. > :12:35.Journalist Ian Herbert called Moyes a "misogynist

:12:36. > :12:38.with previous" in his article for The Independent yesterday.

:12:39. > :12:42.And although nobody has supported his comments,

:12:43. > :12:47.I haven't seen anyone suggesting his language

:12:48. > :12:51.There are many within football saying "It's time

:12:52. > :12:55.to move on" and that it wouldn't be right for him to lose his job

:12:56. > :12:59.But it does add weight to the view that there's an undercurrent

:13:00. > :13:03.Rachel Anderson from the Women in Football group thinks Moyes

:13:04. > :13:13.He should certainly think about his position as manager because he has a

:13:14. > :13:17.big responsibility, not only to the football club but to football in

:13:18. > :13:22.general. We are always being told that everybody involved in football

:13:23. > :13:28.is an ambassador. So if he is an ambassador, that's not very good.

:13:29. > :13:33.All I know is that he has apologised and that Vicki, to her enormous

:13:34. > :13:38.credit, is prepared to accept that apology. Where it goes from here is

:13:39. > :13:44.if others now want to pressurise Vicki and others feel they have to

:13:45. > :13:48.do something about it, that to me would be a great shame. That I think

:13:49. > :13:52.is wrong. A witchhunt and all of this sort of stuff, there is no need

:13:53. > :13:55.for that right now. So this is being looked at slightly

:13:56. > :13:58.different angles in terms But David Moyes the Sunderland

:13:59. > :14:02.boss still has plenty of questions to answer -

:14:03. > :14:05.as I say The FA will now write to Moyes to ask

:14:06. > :14:07.for his observations on the incident - but if his job was on the line

:14:08. > :14:20.on the pitch, it's now at risk Thank you for the moment. Your views

:14:21. > :14:21.welcome, obviously. Much more on that story throughout the programme.

:14:22. > :14:24.If your baby is born prematurely, as a parent you can often feel

:14:25. > :14:27.helpless, totally reliant on the care of nurses and doctors,

:14:28. > :14:29.fearful about the future - not to mention the financial

:14:30. > :14:33.and emotional cost of a lengthy stay in hospital.

:14:34. > :14:36.Now one neo-natal unit in the UK is trying to address that by putting

:14:37. > :14:43.They decide when to give medication, and when and how

:14:44. > :14:48.They take lessons in looking after their children

:14:49. > :14:52.And because parents are far more involved than they were before,

:14:53. > :14:55.nurses say the experiment in Leeds has had a dramatic effect

:14:56. > :15:01.And it all came about because of a cost-cutting drive

:15:02. > :15:25.Nicola Rees has had exclusive access to the unit at St James' Hospital.

:15:26. > :15:30.It's just nice to feel like a mum instead of somebody

:15:31. > :15:36.I could feel her, so I felt safe, and she felt safe being near to me,

:15:37. > :15:42.There's a quiet revolution happening in Leeds.

:15:43. > :15:44.So 36.8, that's perfect, that's in a normal range, so that's fine.

:15:45. > :15:49.A new project which they hope could solve massive

:15:50. > :15:59.It's not rocket science, it is such a straightforward thing

:16:00. > :16:04.to do to allow parents to look after their babies.

:16:05. > :16:15.Dreamt up in the 1970s in the Soviet Union, the baby units

:16:16. > :16:32.Baby Lola is in the special care unit at St James's,

:16:33. > :16:36.Born at just 23 weeks, with little hope.

:16:37. > :16:46.The midwife said to me that the chances of survival was

:16:47. > :16:53.really slim, and then during labour, one of the neonatal consultants came

:16:54. > :16:57.He painted a really bad picture that she could have

:16:58. > :17:00.In the intensive care unit, it was terrifying.

:17:01. > :17:05.It's something that very few people get to see, I would imagine.

:17:06. > :17:09.She had wires coming out of everywhere.

:17:10. > :17:11.She did actually have a twin brother,

:17:12. > :17:17.She's given us something positive to focus on,

:17:18. > :17:20.I don't know how we'd have coped if it wasn't for her.

:17:21. > :17:25.Lola would certainly have died but for modern medicine.

:17:26. > :17:31.We've become much better at keeping premature babies alive,

:17:32. > :17:36.but in the past that meant keeping them away from mum.

:17:37. > :17:39.It seems hard to believe, but as recently as the 1990s,

:17:40. > :17:42.if you wanted to see your baby outside of strict visiting

:17:43. > :17:45.hours, these windows were as close as you could get.

:17:46. > :17:52.Parents of premature babies were on the outside looking in.

:17:53. > :17:55.That disconnect has lasting consequences.

:17:56. > :17:57.The bonding process is much harder to establish,

:17:58. > :18:05.And there is also a financial impact - with car parking,

:18:06. > :18:09.meals and loss of earnings, an average stay in a neonatal unit

:18:10. > :18:15.And then there's the psychological impact - parents of premature babies

:18:16. > :18:18.are twice as likely to suffer from postnatal depression

:18:19. > :18:24.than those who have healthy full-term pregnancies.

:18:25. > :18:27.So this neonatal unit at Jimmy's wanted to end all that,

:18:28. > :18:32.and they took a big risk - to start what's called

:18:33. > :18:39.Family integrated care aims to get the parent at the very centre

:18:40. > :18:43.of the team caring for the baby, which is really different to how

:18:44. > :18:52.neonatal care has evolved in Western health care.

:18:53. > :18:55.So one of the jobs that we have to do is take a temperature,

:18:56. > :18:58.maybe every three or four hours, a simple procedure, really,

:18:59. > :19:01.just the thermometer on the wall, then just a case of going

:19:02. > :19:07.Parents are taught to pass nasogastric tubes

:19:08. > :19:17.Basically, everything but the most complex medical treatments.

:19:18. > :19:20.And do you know what you're looking for here then?

:19:21. > :19:22.Yeah, it's got to be within a certain range,

:19:23. > :19:24.so 36.7, that's perfect, that's in a normal

:19:25. > :19:30.So in the past, care has very much been the nurse

:19:31. > :19:32.leading it, so saying, "Right, it's feed time,

:19:33. > :19:35.it's bad time," whereas now it is very much the parents that

:19:36. > :19:37.are leading that - they will feed the baby

:19:38. > :19:44.when the baby needs feeding, rather than when the clock

:19:45. > :19:47.says it's feed time, and that's much better for the baby.

:19:48. > :19:54.Katie had daughter Molly eight weeks early.

:19:55. > :19:58.They had to get her out quite urgently and it was a little bit

:19:59. > :20:00.of a shock, my partner wasn't really prepared.

:20:01. > :20:02.She wasn't breathing properly to start off with,

:20:03. > :20:04.so that is why they pretty much took her straightaway,

:20:05. > :20:08.but when I first went to see her, she was attached to like a CPAP

:20:09. > :20:09.machine which was helping her breathe.

:20:10. > :20:11.While I'm here, I pretty much do everything that

:20:12. > :20:14.a normal mum would do, just confined to a cot.

:20:15. > :20:17.Everything from feeding to medicine, cleaning, bathing.

:20:18. > :20:21.Do you get how much of an idea the nurses feel about handing

:20:22. > :20:24.Has there been any resistance, or are they all pretty happy?

:20:25. > :20:26.No, certain things, like the tube feeding,

:20:27. > :20:29.they obviously watch over you quite a bit to start with,

:20:30. > :20:35.Things like this temperature, it's not as vital, so they like to make

:20:36. > :20:37.sure that they know what you're doing, they don't

:20:38. > :20:41.And this is just one of dozens of jobs that you have

:20:42. > :20:56.It's a total culture shift to help parents bond

:20:57. > :21:03.with their babies earlier, get the idea is 40 years old.

:21:04. > :21:08.Tallinn, Estonia, in the former Soviet Union.

:21:09. > :21:11.The head of the local neonatal department had a big problem -

:21:12. > :21:16.too many patients and not enough nurses.

:21:17. > :21:20.Dr Adik Levin came up with a pretty basic solution.

:21:21. > :21:30.The idea came because of the nursing crisis.

:21:31. > :21:33.My idea was that mother must be a member of our team.

:21:34. > :21:43.Why the healthy baby in maternity ward stay with the mother?

:21:44. > :21:47.And why the premature baby must be separated?

:21:48. > :21:51.It was, for me, absolutely non-logical.

:21:52. > :22:01.But he was going against the entire Soviet medical system.

:22:02. > :22:05.In Soviet Union it was written that mother is dangerous for the baby,

:22:06. > :22:07.that mother can be the person who bring infection

:22:08. > :22:17.TRANSLATION: Mother is not a bystander anymore

:22:18. > :22:21.but has an active role in the healing process...

:22:22. > :22:23.Giving nursing jobs to the mothers was a massive success, though.

:22:24. > :22:25.The doctor has allowed the introduction of

:22:26. > :22:30.While lying on mother's breast, he receives fresh breastmilk...

:22:31. > :22:31.He'd achieved better breast-feeding rates, shorter hospital

:22:32. > :22:41.We hope that this experience can be taken over by people

:22:42. > :22:44.from other countries, as this kind of medicine is not

:22:45. > :22:47.only humane but also much more inexpensive.

:22:48. > :22:50.But it took 30 years for a hospital in Canada to cotton on -

:22:51. > :22:55.Australia, New Zealand, and eventually Leeds.

:22:56. > :22:58.Why on earth has it taken you so long to introduce something

:22:59. > :22:59.that is, essentially, fundamental - parents

:23:00. > :23:09.I think if you look back through the history of neonatal

:23:10. > :23:15.care, I think with advances in technology, and the recognition

:23:16. > :23:19.of the importance of infection control, that has led to the gradual

:23:20. > :23:21.separation of the premature baby from the parents,

:23:22. > :23:27.and things have just evolved from there.

:23:28. > :23:32.Nursing numbers here haven't changed, but now they are mentors.

:23:33. > :23:43.OK, so we're looking for a pH of 1-5.

:23:44. > :23:48.Steady hands to feed it up her nose and into her stomach.

:23:49. > :23:51.Being around it and watching it has made me more confident when I've

:23:52. > :23:55.come to be doing it, and then they help

:23:56. > :24:06.Certainly, there has been anxiety amongst the nursing staff.

:24:07. > :24:08.I think it's having to let go and realise that, actually,

:24:09. > :24:11.the parents will be perfectly safe doing it.

:24:12. > :24:14.Instead of nurses providing the direct care, this is supporting

:24:15. > :24:19.And, traditionally, nursing, you are the caregiver.

:24:20. > :24:22.And be honest, were you concerned that it was a cost-cutting

:24:23. > :24:24.measure or that there was an element of that?

:24:25. > :24:30.No, because I think, initially, it isn't really

:24:31. > :24:32.a cost-cutting measure, because it takes a lot more time

:24:33. > :24:40.But could it also work for the most poorly babies?

:24:41. > :24:43.They're rolling out the project in the intensive care unit

:24:44. > :24:48.The stakes are higher here - it's life and death,

:24:49. > :24:51.and parents currently have a less hands-on experience.

:24:52. > :24:58.How involved were you able to be at the other hospital?

:24:59. > :25:03.Not much at all to start with - you could put hands in the incubator

:25:04. > :25:06.and just touch her on her head, but that was as far as it went.

:25:07. > :25:10.It was nine days before she could come out and be held,

:25:11. > :25:13.but then you've got ventilators taped to you, you're just

:25:14. > :25:15.terrified of moving, and also terrified of holding her.

:25:16. > :25:18.You know, what should be a really magical moment -

:25:19. > :25:21.which it was - was also really, really scary.

:25:22. > :25:24.But when it's safe, they do already encourage skin-to-skin

:25:25. > :25:31.I'd been begging for days to hold her, but because of her breathing,

:25:32. > :25:34.they delayed it and delayed it and delayed it.

:25:35. > :25:37.When I did, they said I could hold her for about an hour,

:25:38. > :25:41.and then I was able to cuddle her under my clothes.

:25:42. > :25:46.I could feel her, so I felt safe, and she felt safe, being near to me,

:25:47. > :25:51.Just really emotional, it's an emotion that you don't

:25:52. > :25:54.She did so well that I ended up having eight hours

:25:55. > :25:57.because her breathing got so much better.

:25:58. > :26:00.So I got eight hours of bonding, and she got eight hours

:26:01. > :26:03.of being very well, and she progressed so...

:26:04. > :26:05.Do you feel better prepared now for home?

:26:06. > :26:21.So what have we got here, have we got everything?

:26:22. > :26:28.You've got all my medicines and everything, so don't lose them!

:26:29. > :26:36.How much of a difference has it made, this place?

:26:37. > :26:39.A lot, I've got a lot of thanks to give when I leave.

:26:40. > :26:41.Nobody wants to stop it, it's definitely here to stay.

:26:42. > :26:43.Everybody can see the benefits of it.

:26:44. > :26:45.They're getting home sooner, the long-term development

:26:46. > :26:49.is improving, we've got increasing breast-feeding rates.

:26:50. > :26:52.The fact is is that families are going home more confident

:26:53. > :26:54.and more able to care for their babies,

:26:55. > :26:59.She was 37 weeks and five days when we came home -

:27:00. > :27:02.they told us to expect her home on her due date, which

:27:03. > :27:07.Without the family integrated care, we'd have been in a lot longer.

:27:08. > :27:09.She's on oxygen still - they wouldn't have allowed us

:27:10. > :27:14.She's still on a lot of medication that we have to give her.

:27:15. > :27:22.I feel really confident in everything that they've told us,

:27:23. > :27:26.I love her, she's perfect, absolutely amazing!

:27:27. > :27:33.In the next hour we'll meet the doctor who's

:27:34. > :27:40.pioneered this approach, and a mum who gave

:27:41. > :27:53.A tweet which says, "Thanks for the report on premature care on your

:27:54. > :27:55.programme. I was born 14 weeks early at St George's and my parents

:27:56. > :27:58.received great support and care." Still to come, government

:27:59. > :28:00.support for widowed parents We'll be finding out

:28:01. > :28:04.what this means for people David Moyes says he regrets talking

:28:05. > :28:10.about "slapping" a female reporter. Is his apology enough? Zblud Should

:28:11. > :28:16.that be the end of the matter? Joanna is in the BBC

:28:17. > :28:18.Newsroom with a summary The man suspected of killing

:28:19. > :28:22.11 people by bombing a St Petersburg train,

:28:23. > :28:25.is a native of Kyrgyzstan who obtained Russian citizenship,

:28:26. > :28:27.according to security services. 49 people were injured

:28:28. > :28:29.in the explosion between two underground stations

:28:30. > :28:31.yesterday afternoon. A group of MPs has accused

:28:32. > :28:39.the Government of making "unsubstantiated claims"

:28:40. > :28:42.about the potential impact of failing to reach

:28:43. > :28:45.a Brexit deal with the EU. The Exiting the EU

:28:46. > :28:47.Committee report criticised the Prime Minister's position that

:28:48. > :28:52.no deal was better than a bad deal, and called

:28:53. > :28:54.on the Government to carry out But six pro-Brexit MPs

:28:55. > :28:57.on the committee members voted against the report,

:28:58. > :28:59.saying it was too gloomy. Theresa May responded by saying

:29:00. > :29:02.that it is in both the UK and the EU's interest to strike

:29:03. > :29:17.a good deal. I'm confident that we can get a good

:29:18. > :29:19.deal with the European Union. It will be good for them as they

:29:20. > :29:29.acknowledged. Theresa May has defended cuts

:29:30. > :29:31.to bereaved family payments Until now, families have received

:29:32. > :29:35.regular payments for up to 20 years. But under the new system,

:29:36. > :29:37.the Government will pay a larger initial lump sum,

:29:38. > :29:39.but regular payments Campaigners have called

:29:40. > :29:42.the move callous and brutal. Later in this programme

:29:43. > :29:44.we will be speaking to Alan, who is terminally ill and says

:29:45. > :29:47.the changes will cost his Prince Harry is supporting

:29:48. > :29:51.a bid to rid the world of landmines by 2025,

:29:52. > :29:53.following in the footsteps of his mother Diana,

:29:54. > :29:55.Princess of Wales. The prince will give a keynote

:29:56. > :29:58.speech at Kensington Palace to mark More than 60 million people

:29:59. > :30:01.are estimated to still live with the threat of

:30:02. > :30:14.unexploded landmines. North Wales Police paid a phone bill

:30:15. > :30:17.of more than ?44,000 for a mobile which was given to a burglar on

:30:18. > :30:20.bail. The phone was given to the offender by the police as part of a

:30:21. > :30:24.project to reinterrogate criminals into the community. North Wales

:30:25. > :30:29.Police says no disciplinary action has been taken against any member of

:30:30. > :30:33.the staff, but the force has since reviewed its mobile phone policy.

:30:34. > :30:35.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:30:36. > :30:48.Lots of comments. The comment made by David Moyes has been blown out of

:30:49. > :30:55.proportion. It sounded like playful banter. Norma says, what a fuss

:30:56. > :31:02.about nothing. As a woman I fail to see how this was sexist. And I am a

:31:03. > :31:06.Newcastle supporter! Richard says, what is happening to this country? A

:31:07. > :31:11.light-hearted, throwaway comment blown out of proportion by the

:31:12. > :31:17.Pointless BBC. And choke says, I didn't know we were looking for ways

:31:18. > :31:21.to get David Moyes sacked. A brief review of his position in the league

:31:22. > :31:24.table should be enough. I think some of those comments are

:31:25. > :31:29.symptomatic of what we have seen. Some people saying it is time to

:31:30. > :31:35.move on. Some people saying, should the manager of a football club

:31:36. > :31:38.really making statements like that? There are question marks over

:31:39. > :31:43.whether David Moyes is fit to leave -- leads Sunderland. He told a

:31:44. > :31:47.female reporter that she might get a slap. He is likely to face an

:31:48. > :31:53.enquiry after the FA Astros observations over the comment he

:31:54. > :31:57.made last month. Moyes said he deeply regrets the incident. Chelsea

:31:58. > :32:00.forward any Luco says the England manager is sending out a dangerous

:32:01. > :32:07.message by not picking players based on form. Luco was left out of the

:32:08. > :32:13.squad for the European Championships despite finishing top scorer in the

:32:14. > :32:18.Premier League. The best players in the world will not be competing at

:32:19. > :32:23.the Winter Olympics. The United States will not let players go to

:32:24. > :32:26.the games because the owners of the clubs do not want to interrupt their

:32:27. > :32:29.season. I am back with more just after ten.

:32:30. > :32:31."Callous and brutal" - is how major changes to benefits

:32:32. > :32:33.for bereaved spouses have been described by campaigners.

:32:34. > :32:36.From Thursday, the old widowed parent's allowance is being replaced

:32:37. > :32:39.by a new bereavement support payment.

:32:40. > :32:45.Instead of getting a one-off tax-free lump sum of ?2,000,

:32:46. > :32:49.followed by ?5,852 a year before tax for up to 20 years, depending

:32:50. > :32:51.on their child's age, bereaved parents will receive

:32:52. > :32:54.tax-free payments of just ?9,800 in total, spread

:32:55. > :33:04.Theresa May says the new system, which applies to new

:33:05. > :33:10.Let's speak to Katy Maw, who was widowed 13 years ago,

:33:11. > :33:12.when her husband died in a motorbike accident.

:33:13. > :33:17.And Labour MP Alex Cunningham, who is Shadow Work

:33:18. > :33:20.and Pensions Minister - Labour say they would reverse

:33:21. > :33:33.Welcome. How did those regular payments over many years help to

:33:34. > :33:39.support you and your one-year-old and three-year-old girl? It was a

:33:40. > :33:43.lifeline. It meant that whatever happened to me during the day,

:33:44. > :33:48.whether I spent all day on the kitchen floor was out trying to find

:33:49. > :33:53.work, I had the flexibility to know I could feed my kids at the end of

:33:54. > :33:59.the month and pay some bills. It was a total support. And after 18

:34:00. > :34:02.months, I look back now, it is absolutely ludicrous to think that

:34:03. > :34:08.anybody would be in a position to have got their lives together,

:34:09. > :34:11.sorted, to be able to support their children and themselves, financially

:34:12. > :34:18.and emotionally, without that lifeline. You have now given up

:34:19. > :34:22.those payments because you are engaged to be married.

:34:23. > :34:28.Congratulations. Can you imagine what it would be like for anyone

:34:29. > :34:39.widowed after Thursday, who will get a higher lump sum to start with, but

:34:40. > :34:45.the weekly payments of ?112. After 18 months? It is important to make

:34:46. > :34:51.the point that that lump sum payment, which was ?2000, is to

:34:52. > :34:56.cover funeral costs, which I believe an average is about ?4000. So we can

:34:57. > :35:01.disregard that. That is paying for something that is in my experience,

:35:02. > :35:06.something I didn't know I would have to pay for. You are now looking for

:35:07. > :35:10.a monthly payment after that. I am horrified and I am terrified for

:35:11. > :35:17.anybody faced with what I had to face. Knowing that you have a

:35:18. > :35:21.deadline. It is a race that you are in that you don't even want to be

:35:22. > :35:27.in, the idea that you can be in employment that is going to pay,

:35:28. > :35:31.cover perhaps what was two incomes coming in, or even one, and be there

:35:32. > :35:39.to take your kids to school, pick them up, be there for them during

:35:40. > :35:45.the day, you are everything. You need that little bit of support. By

:35:46. > :35:47.the way, you have already paid for it. My husband paid national

:35:48. > :35:53.insurance on to and into a state pension system, and I paid my

:35:54. > :35:57.national insurance. Why would it have to stop after 18 months? What

:35:58. > :36:03.is your reaction to the decision to change this? I'm horrified. It shows

:36:04. > :36:08.a complete lack of imagination and humanity on the part of the

:36:09. > :36:12.government. I don't know the MPs who put it through, if they had at that

:36:13. > :36:17.might have had personal experience, or if it is an easy cut to make. A

:36:18. > :36:21.lot of people don't know it exists. You only know it exists when it

:36:22. > :36:25.happens to you. That is why nobody has fought for it. They have that

:36:26. > :36:30.charities, bereavement counsellors, everybody who has had experience,

:36:31. > :36:35.and knows what it is like, telling them, this is horrific. They have

:36:36. > :36:43.ignored it. I will come back to you in a moment. I want to bring in Alex

:36:44. > :36:48.Cunningham, a Labour MP. You say these changes will save the Treasury

:36:49. > :36:51.?100 million. The government says it is not an austerity measure, it is

:36:52. > :36:58.about updating an old-fashioned system which does not reflect

:36:59. > :37:02.people's lives today? The system may need updating but it doesn't mean

:37:03. > :37:06.taking where this vital support. I met a young boy, an eight-year-old,

:37:07. > :37:09.a few weeks ago, and he was campaigning for the retention of

:37:10. > :37:13.these allowances. He was talking about the fact his mum was a

:37:14. > :37:18.teacher, managed to get back into work after two and a half years, but

:37:19. > :37:24.nowadays she can still get away in plenty of time to taken to school

:37:25. > :37:28.are Pickin up. He said she can also talk to his teacher when he is

:37:29. > :37:33.having a sad day and understand the problems he is going through. The

:37:34. > :37:37.support is vital for teachers and widows or widowers. And anybody

:37:38. > :37:42.receiving it at the moment will continue to receive it under the old

:37:43. > :37:48.terms. It is from this Thursday things will change. The government

:37:49. > :37:50.also say it is tax-free, it doesn't affect the amount received from

:37:51. > :37:58.other benefits. So families can access wider welfare support, they

:37:59. > :38:02.say? Let's be clear. The tax-free payment every month is probably

:38:03. > :38:08.equivalent to the ?112 a week which is taxable, which they receive at

:38:09. > :38:12.the moment. That is only for 18 months. If it had not been for the

:38:13. > :38:16.select committee in the House of Commons, the government would have

:38:17. > :38:20.cut that after 12 months. Clearly there focuses on saving money and

:38:21. > :38:27.not on the people who need support. It is part of the government's ?12

:38:28. > :38:31.billion savings. They have a mandate for according the welfare bill,

:38:32. > :38:36.don't they? They certainly have a mandate. But this is about political

:38:37. > :38:42.choices. Our political choice would be to protect the most vulnerable,

:38:43. > :38:45.not actually take the money away. If we can afford to pay millionaires,

:38:46. > :38:51.people who earn millions of pounds every year, if we can afford to give

:38:52. > :38:53.them tax cuts, we cannot afford to look after people going through the

:38:54. > :38:59.most vulnerable period in their lives. -- we can afford. Where would

:39:00. > :39:05.you find the money from if Labour were elected? This is about

:39:06. > :39:09.political choices. We don't think it is necessary to do this. We look at

:39:10. > :39:14.the huge cuts being made in corporation tax. We are looking at

:39:15. > :39:20.the cuts given to millionaires. I think there is plenty of flexibility

:39:21. > :39:23.to find this ?100 billion a year. You are talking about corporation

:39:24. > :39:32.tax cuts that this government has made? No, the government, two or

:39:33. > :39:39.three years ago, cut the higher rate of tax for people over a certain

:39:40. > :39:44.pay. They were paying 10% less tax. I think if we could reinstate that,

:39:45. > :39:48.it would go a long way, if not more than cover the money that is needed

:39:49. > :39:53.to ensure widows and children get the support they need. The Prime

:39:54. > :39:59.Minister was asked about this. She is on a foreign trip. She says, we

:40:00. > :40:06.need to ensure we have a system which is fair to people who require

:40:07. > :40:12.this help and support, but obviously also is fair to taxpayers. I'm a

:40:13. > :40:18.taxpayer and so was my husband. He has played into that system. I just

:40:19. > :40:23.feel terribly sorry for people who will face this. They don't know who

:40:24. > :40:28.they are, generally. For example, if I may, there is a friend of mine who

:40:29. > :40:33.lost her husband to cancer last year. Within three months, she was

:40:34. > :40:37.diagnosed as -- with breast cancer, she had a mastectomy, she has two

:40:38. > :40:44.children. It is coming to the 18 month bracket. What would Theresa

:40:45. > :40:47.May say to her? What she would say is, she will be all right because

:40:48. > :40:53.she is under the old system. It is new claimants from Thursday. This is

:40:54. > :40:59.one story. For those women pregnant when they lose their husbands... I

:41:00. > :41:02.don't quite understand, we are still paying national insurance, we are

:41:03. > :41:08.still having children, parents are still dying. That system hasn't

:41:09. > :41:10.changed. Why are we being punished for that? I understand it is a

:41:11. > :41:16.quarter of 8% of people it will affect. The most vulnerable. At the

:41:17. > :41:20.most full verbal time when they are not employable. And if I may add,

:41:21. > :41:25.ten years after the event of losing my husband, I'm diagnosed with

:41:26. > :41:32.post-traumatic because I was having to deal with my children's grief and

:41:33. > :41:38.my grief, I grieved for my husband's loss. I carried on as best I could

:41:39. > :41:44.and I worked. But that money, I was entitled to it, but also it was a

:41:45. > :41:49.comfort. But grief doesn't go away. 18 months is not a cut-off point

:41:50. > :41:52.where you get over it. You never get over it. You evolve and you change

:41:53. > :41:57.it to the person you are because it has happened. And things change. As

:41:58. > :42:00.my children get older, they needs are different. That is why the

:42:01. > :42:06.payment has to continue after 18 months. What has been the impact on

:42:07. > :42:16.you? At the time your husband died, your little girls were one and

:42:17. > :42:22.three. She wasn't even one. I hope they are all right. I hope I have

:42:23. > :42:25.managed to show them... I have worked. But I have also been

:42:26. > :42:28.available to them. I want them to look back and think that I did

:42:29. > :42:32.manage as best I could and that I wasn't flaky and I wasn't all over

:42:33. > :42:38.the place. And I showed them good values. I have worked and they have

:42:39. > :42:43.also been there for them. The idea that after 18 months, I would have

:42:44. > :42:50.been having to work certain hours, I could not have worked from nine to

:42:51. > :42:55.three. I wouldn't have been around. It would've been somebody else's

:42:56. > :42:58.responsibility. We don't live in the kinds of communities we used to live

:42:59. > :43:02.in where we had everywhere. My mother was a 70 mile round trip

:43:03. > :43:09.away. My brother lived on the other side of London. They are not on the

:43:10. > :43:13.doorstep. And says, my friend's husband was told two weeks ago he

:43:14. > :43:16.was being made redundant. A week ago he was told he was terminally ill.

:43:17. > :43:21.His wife had brain surgery two years ago. The change to the widowed

:43:22. > :43:26.parent allowance is indeed callous and brutal. It is completely unfair

:43:27. > :43:30.and not reflective of the needs of families struggling to come to terms

:43:31. > :43:37.with the most awful circumstances. This is not how a civilised society

:43:38. > :43:42.works. I would agree with that. And this one says, dad died when I was

:43:43. > :43:45.11. If it hadn't been for the widows pension, mum and I would have been

:43:46. > :43:49.on the streets. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Thank

:43:50. > :43:51.you for having me. Thank you to Alex Cunningham.

:43:52. > :43:53.After 10am, we'll get reaction from a terminally ill man

:43:54. > :44:12.We older children in the UK is expensive. Have a look how one

:44:13. > :44:15.school in London is trying to get around the costs.

:44:16. > :44:44.I probably wouldn't have childcare until they went

:44:45. > :44:48.to a free school nursery, because I wouldn't be able to afford

:44:49. > :45:38.Any sort of member of staff that are willing to be overseen

:45:39. > :45:56.by parents 24/7 has got to be something special.

:45:57. > :45:59.It's significantly cheaper, it's like only like 260 quid a month.

:46:00. > :46:01.Otherwise, it would be at least ?1000 a month

:46:02. > :46:10.If your child comes every day, then you have to work

:46:11. > :46:21.It's really nice to see, we see everyone's triumphs and challenges,

:46:22. > :46:23.and and you just realise that your chart is normal.

:46:24. > :46:42.You see everyone at their best and everyone at their worst,

:46:43. > :46:45.and that is actually really comforting as a parent,

:46:46. > :46:47.that you don't normally get to see behind the scenes

:46:48. > :47:08.You train on the job, but you have a lot to read, and then

:47:09. > :47:12.You learn a massive amount about childcare, you immediately

:47:13. > :47:15.learn on the spot with regards to the work you do with other

:47:16. > :47:31.You do an activity shift with the children, where

:47:32. > :47:49.you're expected to be with the children, interacting.

:47:50. > :47:51.We can't have them just sitting around on their shifts and not

:47:52. > :47:56.If they're not interested, we will take up the challenge

:47:57. > :47:58.with them and find ways of getting them involved.

:47:59. > :48:21.Not every person's role is exactly the same.

:48:22. > :48:35.In the last half hour it has emerged that North Wales Police paid a phone

:48:36. > :48:37.bill of over ?40,000 for a mobile which had been given

:48:38. > :48:41.Our reporter Jenny Rees is in Cardiff and can tell us more.

:48:42. > :48:49.Why? Well, it is fairly standard, it seems for this particular project

:48:50. > :48:53.that mobile phones would be given to people. Generally it was things like

:48:54. > :48:57.if it was a victim of domestic violence or perhaps wanting to keep

:48:58. > :49:03.in touch with the police they would want criminals who were needing to

:49:04. > :49:06.be reintegrated back into the community to reduce re-offending

:49:07. > :49:10.would be given mobile phones. Normally they would be given a

:49:11. > :49:14.pay-as-you-go, but in this case, by mistake they were given a contract

:49:15. > :49:23.phone. The bills were being paid, but they knocked up a bill of

:49:24. > :49:29.?44,500. Mistake was only realised in 2014. They found three people may

:49:30. > :49:33.have had access to the phone. They don't know how ?44,500 was run up as

:49:34. > :49:36.part of that. Two people were arrested, but they didn't have

:49:37. > :49:40.enough evidence to press charges on them. No disciplinary action has

:49:41. > :49:45.been taken against any members of the police force either. It has come

:49:46. > :49:48.to light after a Freedom of Information Request went in and the

:49:49. > :49:53.force say they have reviewed the mobile phone policy since then, and

:49:54. > :49:58.only pay-as-you-go phone sims are given out and rules have been made

:49:59. > :50:03.clear as to how the phones should be used. There are so many questions

:50:04. > :50:06.that still need answering, I suspect we don't have the information yet,

:50:07. > :50:12.it will drip out over the coming hours. Thank you very much, Jenny.

:50:13. > :50:19.Who are you ringing to get a bill for ?44,000? Oh my goodness!

:50:20. > :50:22.Sunderland manager David Moyes has been asked to explain himself

:50:23. > :50:25.to the FA after he told a BBC reporter she might "get a slap".

:50:26. > :50:28.Just getting a wee bit naughty at the end there so just watch

:50:29. > :50:31.yourself or you still might get a slap even though you're a woman.

:50:32. > :50:47.The reporter asked him if he felt under pressure because the owner was

:50:48. > :50:52.in the stands and on camera he said, "No, not at all." When he thought

:50:53. > :50:54.the camera was turned off that the following conversation ensued.

:50:55. > :50:57.The Sunderland manager now says he "deeply regrets" the incident"

:50:58. > :51:03.and that he's phoned the reporter Vicki Sparks to apologise.

:51:04. > :51:09.It was in the heat of the moment and I deeply regret

:51:10. > :51:14.It's certainly not the person who I am and I accept

:51:15. > :51:17.I spoke to the BBC reporter who accepted my apology

:51:18. > :51:22.Gary Lineker tweeted, "Moyes incident highlights

:51:23. > :51:24.a tendency for some managers to treat interviewers

:51:25. > :51:36.With me now is Martha Kelner, sports writer for the Daily Mail.

:51:37. > :51:39.Jane Moran is a Sunderland season ticket holder.

:51:40. > :51:47.Martha, is it a sackable offence? I'm not sure he should lose his job

:51:48. > :51:51.over it. I think I'd like to make that clear, but it's something that

:51:52. > :51:55.deserves talking about. He should be pushed further on it. Because even

:51:56. > :51:59.watching it, you know, several times as I have done now, it makes me feel

:52:00. > :52:05.uncomfortable. I think the language is a little bit sinister. I don't

:52:06. > :52:10.think he would have treated a male reporter with the same disdain. I

:52:11. > :52:15.think he was abusing his position as a respected manager in that powerful

:52:16. > :52:19.interviewer, you know, interview manager situation. I think it was

:52:20. > :52:23.inappropriate and I think it's right that he's getting asked to explain

:52:24. > :52:29.his actions. Jane, hello. Hi Victoria. Should the FA punish him

:52:30. > :52:34.or has he done enough? I don't think he should be punished. A lot of

:52:35. > :52:39.Sunderland supporters, there is a great debate going on on the message

:52:40. > :52:45.board about whether he was right or wrong, but a lot more Sunderland

:52:46. > :52:51.fans are disappointed about his comments on the pitch than the

:52:52. > :52:57.comments -- performance on the pitch than the comments to the reporter.

:52:58. > :53:02.Do you think he would have said that to a male reporter? I don't think he

:53:03. > :53:06.would have. It has been blown out of proportion and the outrage over it

:53:07. > :53:12.is just well beyond what it deserves. But he was, there was a

:53:13. > :53:17.veiled threat. There was a warning, don't be asking questions like that

:53:18. > :53:20.the next time you come back? A veiled threat that she has accepted

:53:21. > :53:26.an apology for. Sew that's all right? I'm not saying it's all

:53:27. > :53:29.right, but the person who was supposedly offended has accepted the

:53:30. > :53:35.apology and yet, you know, the outrage goes on. That's a really

:53:36. > :53:41.good point, isn't it, Vicky Sparks has accepted that apology. It means

:53:42. > :53:44.amongst other things she will be able to go to Sunderland and report

:53:45. > :53:48.on it and ask questions of the manager? I thud you sort of answered

:53:49. > :53:52.the question yourself there. She is in a difficult situation, I don't

:53:53. > :53:57.want to speak for her, but her job depends on being able to go to those

:53:58. > :54:01.post-match press conferences and have that debate with David Moyes in

:54:02. > :54:05.the future so she is in a tricky situation. I actually feel sorry for

:54:06. > :54:08.her that she has been caught up in this storm, but I do think it's a

:54:09. > :54:13.good thing that we're talking about it because I think it shows the

:54:14. > :54:15.changing of the tide with sexism in football and what's acceptable

:54:16. > :54:20.because in the past managers have been able to get away with these

:54:21. > :54:25.comments towards women that make them feel isolated. In a job where

:54:26. > :54:31.they probably are only one or two women in a room full of men on a

:54:32. > :54:37.week to week basis. It was six years ago that Sky's presenters Richard

:54:38. > :54:40.Keys and Andy Gray made the sexist comments towards a female lines

:54:41. > :54:45.woman and they paid for it with their jobs. It was ten years ago

:54:46. > :54:50.that the Luton Town manager had this to say about a female assistant

:54:51. > :54:57.referee. "She shouldn't be here, I know that sounds sexist, but I am

:54:58. > :55:04.sexist." He was fined ?6500. The FA asked for David Moyes' observations,

:55:05. > :55:08.but should they do anything, is his apology and an explanation enough?

:55:09. > :55:13.The fact that we're talking about is it is enough. I think it's a warning

:55:14. > :55:17.not only to him, that he needs to modify his behaviour, but also to

:55:18. > :55:21.other managers who might treat female reporters like that in the

:55:22. > :55:25.future. Damned by his own language perhaps.

:55:26. > :55:28.You cover various different sports, a lot of athletics, have you been in

:55:29. > :55:32.a situation where you have been treated dimply because you're a

:55:33. > :55:37.female reporter? I think it happens less in athletics because there are

:55:38. > :55:41.more female reporters, but in football I don't think there has

:55:42. > :55:46.been a chief football writer, there is only one female sports editor on

:55:47. > :55:50.Fleet Street. The Daily Mail... The Mail on Sunday. Sorry. You don't get

:55:51. > :55:54.it as much in athletics, but in football more so. I have never had a

:55:55. > :56:00.manager say anything to me like, "You might get a slap." I've had

:56:01. > :56:06.managers say things like, "I'll watch my language around the lady."

:56:07. > :56:09.It emphasises your otherness and makes you feel on edge. Yeah.

:56:10. > :56:20.Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

:56:21. > :56:25.Thank you for your comments. Bear with me. Sorry. Since this was

:56:26. > :56:31.updated it takes me long tore get into this tablet would you believe?

:56:32. > :56:34.This is about the changes to bereavement allowance which come in

:56:35. > :56:39.on Thursday and it is an e-mail from Helen, "I lost my husband five years

:56:40. > :56:43.ago and I do get this benefit. I feel shocked about these parents

:56:44. > :56:49.losing this lifeline. We are hit so hard. I'm a working mum and I had

:56:50. > :56:53.much higher childcare costs. The current benefit is taxable and what

:56:54. > :56:57.is awful is that I have one income and therefore, one tax allowance so

:56:58. > :57:02.I already lose so much money as well as not having my darling, husband."

:57:03. > :57:05.I'm going to talk more about the changes to those bereavement

:57:06. > :57:10.allowances after 10am. Your own experiences really welcome. Do get

:57:11. > :57:15.in touch in the usual ways. You can e-mail and you can tweet using the

:57:16. > :57:20.hashtag Victoria Live and there is whatsapp and text and the usual. Now

:57:21. > :57:30.the weather with Carol. Some of us had a milder start and

:57:31. > :57:34.others have had a fresher start. We're looking at bright spells,

:57:35. > :57:37.sunshine, not just this morning, into the afternoon we'll have that

:57:38. > :57:41.and feeling that wee bit fresh you are than yesterday. Yesterday's top

:57:42. > :57:45.temperatures hit 18 Celsius in Cambridge and Gravesend. Today, we

:57:46. > :57:49.might see 17 Celsius in Cardiff. Now, high pressure is firmly this

:57:50. > :57:53.charge of our weather at the momentment we have got a weather

:57:54. > :57:57.front citizenshipinging south producing cloud and rain and if you

:57:58. > :58:01.notice the squeeze on the ice owe barks it will continue to increase

:58:02. > :58:05.in strength, the wind that is, particularly so across the Northern

:58:06. > :58:08.Isles where we are looking at gales and did severe gales. At the other

:58:09. > :58:11.end of the country, we lose the patchy rain, it is replaced by

:58:12. > :58:15.showers, but look how it brightens up for most with sunshine. So this

:58:16. > :58:20.afternoon across south-west England, you can expect sunshine. A bit more

:58:21. > :58:22.cloud as we push through south Devon and into Somerset, but through

:58:23. > :58:27.Gloucestershire, bright spells and through much of Wales, we're looking

:58:28. > :58:30.at sunshine with highs of ten Celsius, in Aberystwyth. For

:58:31. > :58:34.Northern Ireland, bright spells of sunshine will be the order of the

:58:35. > :58:36.day for you and still one or two showers flirting with the West Coast

:58:37. > :58:40.of Scotland. Most of the showers will be across the far north,

:58:41. > :58:43.especially the Northern Isles where it will feel cold in the wind.

:58:44. > :58:47.Eastern Scotland seeing sunshine and as we cross northern England down to

:58:48. > :58:52.the North Midlands and the Wash we're back into bright or sunny

:58:53. > :58:55.skies. For East Anglia, Essex and Kent, and towards the Isle of Wight,

:58:56. > :59:00.there is more cloud and that cloud is thick enough to be producing the

:59:01. > :59:03.odd shower. There goes that cloud, leaving clear skies for England and

:59:04. > :59:06.Wales, more cloud at times with showers for Scotland and Northern

:59:07. > :59:12.Ireland. Still windy in the far north. Temperatures four to seven or

:59:13. > :59:15.eight in towns and cities, but lower than that in the countryside.

:59:16. > :59:18.Roughly one to three Celsius. Premium Bond areas in the

:59:19. > :59:21.countryside will see frost under the clear skies, but under the clear

:59:22. > :59:25.skies tomorrow, we are awe off to a sunny start. Tomorrow, there will be

:59:26. > :59:29.some cloud dotted around, but it will still be bright. Some of us

:59:30. > :59:33.will see sunny spells and it will be breezy. Still quite windy across the

:59:34. > :59:38.Northern Isles. Just not as windy as it will be later today or tonight.

:59:39. > :59:41.Temperatures eight Celsius in the north to highs of 13 or 14 Celsius

:59:42. > :59:46.as we push down towards the south. After a killy start on Thursday,

:59:47. > :59:50.again, we're looking at that a mixture of bright spells, sunshine,

:59:51. > :59:54.a few showers coming in across the west and temperatures between ten

:59:55. > :00:01.and 15 Celsius. But the weather remains settled into the weekend.

:00:02. > :00:07.Hello, it's Tuesday, April 4. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:08. > :00:09.We've been given exclusive access to a neo-natal unit in Leeds,

:00:10. > :00:15.with a pioneering approach to caring for premature babies.

:00:16. > :00:19.It is such a straightforward thing to do, to allow parents

:00:20. > :00:25.The fact is that families are going home more confident

:00:26. > :00:28.and more able to look after their babies,

:00:29. > :00:37.Lots of you getting in touch on this.

:00:38. > :00:39.The government is cutting the amount of money that

:00:40. > :00:43.One parent who previously relied on the allowance told this

:00:44. > :00:49.programme what she thought of the new measures.

:00:50. > :00:57.It's absolutely ludicrous to think that anybody would be in a position

:00:58. > :01:01.to have got their lives together, sorted, to be able to support their

:01:02. > :01:03.children and themselves, financially and emotionally, without that

:01:04. > :01:04.lifeline. Prince Harry is following in his

:01:05. > :01:07.mother's footsteps by campaigning We'll be asking what needs to be

:01:08. > :01:21.done to achieve that goal. Here's Joanna with a

:01:22. > :01:24.summary of today's news. The number of people killed

:01:25. > :01:26.in yesterday's bomb attack on the St Petersburg

:01:27. > :01:29.metro has risen to 14, according to Russia's Health

:01:30. > :01:32.Ministry. The man investigators now suspect

:01:33. > :01:36.of carrying out the attack, is a native of Kyrgyzstan

:01:37. > :01:38.who obtained Russian citizenship. 50 people were injured

:01:39. > :01:41.in the explosion between two underground stations yesterday

:01:42. > :01:55.afternoon. A group of MPs are challenging the

:01:56. > :01:58.government to prove that no deal is better than a bad deal when ridden

:01:59. > :02:01.leaves the European Union. The Exiting the EU

:02:02. > :02:03.Committee report criticised the Prime Minister's position that

:02:04. > :02:05.no deal was better than a bad deal, and called

:02:06. > :02:08.on the Government to carry out But six pro-Brexit MPs

:02:09. > :02:11.on the committee members voted against the report,

:02:12. > :02:13.saying it was too gloomy. Theresa May responded by saying

:02:14. > :02:16.that it is in both the UK and the EU's interest to strike

:02:17. > :02:22.a good deal. I have been very clear that I want

:02:23. > :02:25.to get the best deal possible for the UK from these negotiations with

:02:26. > :02:29.the European Union. I think that would be a good deal for the EU. The

:02:30. > :02:33.EU themselves want that. I was clearing the letter

:02:34. > :02:35.I sent to Donald Tusk in triggering Article 50,

:02:36. > :02:38.that if we don't get a deal, we fall I don't think that

:02:39. > :02:42.is in the interest That is why we will both be

:02:43. > :02:46.working to make sure we get British scientists say they've

:02:47. > :02:52.created a sieve capable of removing It uses a derivative of graphene,

:02:53. > :02:55.a fine sheet of carbon The development, at the University

:02:56. > :02:59.of Manchester, has the potential to improve access to clean drinking

:03:00. > :03:01.water for millions of This programme has had exclusive

:03:02. > :03:07.access to a pioneering neo-natal unit that is trying to address

:03:08. > :03:10.the financial and emotional cost of a lengthy stay in hospital,

:03:11. > :03:14.by putting parents in charge St James' Hospital in Leeds lets

:03:15. > :03:19.parents decide when to give medication, and when and how

:03:20. > :03:23.to feed their babies. They take lessons in looking

:03:24. > :03:25.after their children Nurses at the centre say

:03:26. > :03:29.the experiment has had a positive effect on patients

:03:30. > :03:33.and their families. Theresa May has defended cuts

:03:34. > :03:37.to bereaved family payments Until now, families have received

:03:38. > :03:41.regular payments for up to 20 years. But under the new system,

:03:42. > :03:44.the Government will pay a larger initial lump sum,

:03:45. > :03:48.but regular payments Campaigners have called

:03:49. > :03:52.the move callous and brutal. Later in this programme

:03:53. > :03:55.we will be speaking to Alan, who is terminally ill and says

:03:56. > :03:59.the changes will cost his Prince Harry is supporting

:04:00. > :04:04.a bid to rid the world of landmines by 2025,

:04:05. > :04:07.following in the footsteps of his mother Diana,

:04:08. > :04:09.Princess of Wales. The prince will give a keynote

:04:10. > :04:11.speech at Kensington Palace to mark More than 60 million people

:04:12. > :04:15.are estimated to still live with the threat of

:04:16. > :04:21.unexploded landmines. It's emerged that North Wales Police

:04:22. > :04:24.has paid a phone bill of over ?44,000 for a mobile which had been

:04:25. > :04:28.given to a burglar on bail. The phone had been given

:04:29. > :04:31.to the offender by the police as part of a project to reintegrate

:04:32. > :04:33.criminals into the community. North Wales Police says no

:04:34. > :04:36.disciplinary action has been taken against any member of staff

:04:37. > :04:38.but the force has since reviewed That's a summary of the latest BBC

:04:39. > :04:59.News - more at 10.30. Latest sport. Good morning. There

:05:00. > :05:02.are further questions for David Moyes to answer today. The Football

:05:03. > :05:05.Association will ask Ray 's observations of an incident in which

:05:06. > :05:10.he told a female reporters she may get a slap. Moyes will be in the

:05:11. > :05:14.dugout this evening against Leicester but he could face

:05:15. > :05:20.sanctions. He told media yesterday he deeply regrets his Commons, which

:05:21. > :05:25.have stirred debate over his future. He needs to think about his position

:05:26. > :05:28.as manager because he has a big responsibility, not only to the

:05:29. > :05:31.football club, but football in general. We are always been told

:05:32. > :05:37.that everybody involved in football is an ambassador. If he is an

:05:38. > :05:43.ambassador, that is not very good. Chelsea forward any Luco has said

:05:44. > :05:48.the England coach Mark Sampson is setting a dangerous message by not

:05:49. > :05:53.selecting players baked on form. She was left out of the euro 2017 squad

:05:54. > :05:58.despite ending the season as top scorer in the women's Super League.

:05:59. > :06:03.It is more surprising given that England have failed to score in four

:06:04. > :06:07.the last five games. Mark Simpson has publicly said he

:06:08. > :06:10.doesn't pick on form. The other criteria is clearly based on

:06:11. > :06:15.popularity. I think he has spoken about team dynamics and character.

:06:16. > :06:18.The message and values the England team represents should be about hard

:06:19. > :06:23.work, should be about putting your best foot forward every single day

:06:24. > :06:26.to perform and get your reward is Fred. The message it is sending out

:06:27. > :06:30.is that if you are popular with the manager, you get into the team. You

:06:31. > :06:34.don't have to perform to get into the team. That is a dangerous

:06:35. > :06:38.message to send out to particularly young people looking at being an

:06:39. > :06:42.squad aspiring to be in it. The best ice hockey players in the

:06:43. > :06:47.world will be appearing in next year's Winter Olympics. The US Ice

:06:48. > :06:52.Hockey league will not allow players to go to the games because the

:06:53. > :06:58.owners of the bigger clubs do not want to interrupt the season. The

:06:59. > :07:01.International Olympic Committee have released a statement, saying they

:07:02. > :07:04.feel sorry for the athletes, pointing out they offered the same

:07:05. > :07:21.conditions as in the previous Olympic Games.

:07:22. > :07:29.That won't be the end of that. Nor are today for the FA and David

:07:30. > :07:30.Moyes. They are looking into his allegedly sexist comments to a

:07:31. > :07:36.female you. -- reporter. Having a premature baby can leave

:07:37. > :07:38.parents feeling shocked, confused, abandoned,

:07:39. > :07:41.powerless and even guilty. The treadmill of daily hospital

:07:42. > :07:44.visits can grind mums and dads down, But one neo-natal unit in Leeds

:07:45. > :07:50.is trialling a new approach They decide when to give

:07:51. > :07:55.medication, and when and how They take lessons in looking

:07:56. > :07:59.after their children And because parents are far more

:08:00. > :08:04.involved than they were before, nurses say the experiment in Leeds

:08:05. > :08:07.has had a dramatic effect Nicola Rees has had

:08:08. > :08:11.exclusive access to the unit We bought you her full report

:08:12. > :08:21.earlier - here's a short extract. Baby Lola is in the special

:08:22. > :08:24.care unit at St James's, Born at just 23 weeks,

:08:25. > :08:31.her chances of survival were slim. During labour, one of the neonatal

:08:32. > :08:35.consultants came to see us, he painted a really bad picture

:08:36. > :08:37.that she could have In the intensive care

:08:38. > :08:47.unit, it was terrifying. It's something that very few people

:08:48. > :08:51.get to see, I would imagine. She was absolutely tiny, she had

:08:52. > :08:56.wires coming out of everywhere. She did actually

:08:57. > :08:57.have a twin brother, She's given us something

:08:58. > :09:01.positive to focus on, I don't know how we'd have coped

:09:02. > :09:03.if it wasn't for her. But as soon as she left

:09:04. > :09:06.intensive care, mum Anna took One of the jobs we have to do

:09:07. > :09:11.is take a temperature, maybe every three or four hours,

:09:12. > :09:14.a simple procedure, really, just the thermometer on the wall,

:09:15. > :09:17.then just a case of going St James's Hospital was the first

:09:18. > :09:22.in the UK to introduce what's called Family integrated care aims to get

:09:23. > :09:28.the parent at the very centre Parents are taught to

:09:29. > :09:33.pass nasogastric tubes Basically, everything but the most

:09:34. > :09:45.complex medical treatments. And do you know what

:09:46. > :09:47.you're looking for here? Yeah, it's got to be

:09:48. > :09:50.within a certain range. Family integrated care

:09:51. > :09:53.was introduced in the former Then it was a solution

:09:54. > :10:00.to a shortage of nurses. And be honest, were you concerned

:10:01. > :10:06.that it was a cost-cutting measure or that there

:10:07. > :10:08.was an element of that? No, because I think,

:10:09. > :10:12.initially, it isn't really a cost-cutting measure,

:10:13. > :10:15.because it takes a lot more time The problems of having a premature

:10:16. > :10:21.baby are well-known - the bonding process is much harder

:10:22. > :10:26.to establish, breast-feeding And there is also a financial

:10:27. > :10:31.impact - with car parking, meals and loss of earnings,

:10:32. > :10:34.an average stay in a neonatal unit And then there's the psychological

:10:35. > :10:40.impact - parents of premature babies are twice as likely to suffer

:10:41. > :10:42.from postnatal depression. than those who have healthy

:10:43. > :10:49.full-term pregnancies. It's not rocket science, it's such

:10:50. > :10:52.a straightforward thing to do, to allow parents to look

:10:53. > :10:56.after their babies. The fact is is that families

:10:57. > :11:01.are going home more confident and more able to care

:11:02. > :11:03.for their babies, For Anna, it meant bringing her baby

:11:04. > :11:09.home weeks earlier than expected. I love her, she's perfect,

:11:10. > :11:30.absolutely amazing. Thank you for your lovely comments.

:11:31. > :11:34.Debbie says, my daughter had twins born at 32 weeks. We looked after

:11:35. > :11:38.them in the hospital. We fed them, we changed them, took their

:11:39. > :11:44.temperature etc. Susan says her granddaughter was born eight weeks

:11:45. > :11:48.early. It was about a week before my daughter got near her. Emma says she

:11:49. > :11:52.had her son had 31 weeks. She had to be transferred to another hospital

:11:53. > :11:56.13 miles from where she lived because there was no room in a

:11:57. > :12:02.special baby unit. Doctors showed them what to do. When they got

:12:03. > :12:03.transferred back to the hospital near to where they lived, there were

:12:04. > :12:04.shown the same things. Here to tell us more

:12:05. > :12:06.about this new approach is Dr Liz McKechnie,

:12:07. > :12:08.consultant neo-natologist Sarah Miles, who gave birth

:12:09. > :12:11.prematurely to twins in 2011, and felt left out

:12:12. > :12:15.of her babies' care. Doreen Crawford, who worked

:12:16. > :12:18.as a nurse in premature baby care for 30 years,

:12:19. > :12:20.And Dr Karel O'Brien from It was the first western hospital

:12:21. > :12:41.to find out about Family Integrated We can also speak to one of our

:12:42. > :12:48.viewers, Leah. She has just run off. Her sons were born prematurely at 30

:12:49. > :12:59.weeks in August 20 15. Look at those photographs. Absolutely lovely.

:13:00. > :13:05.Doctor, let me begin with you. You brought this in two years ago.

:13:06. > :13:07.You're about to bring it into the intensive care unit. We have seen in

:13:08. > :13:16.the film a little about what this means. How different is it to how it

:13:17. > :13:19.used to be done? I think it is formalising and giving a structured

:13:20. > :13:25.to the way that we have cared for babies for many years. It is the

:13:26. > :13:29.natural role of the nurse to teach the parents how to look after their

:13:30. > :13:35.premature baby. This takes it one step further because the nurses

:13:36. > :13:39.educate and coach the parents to becoming the primary caregiver for

:13:40. > :13:45.their baby, so they are the core member of the team looking after

:13:46. > :13:51.their baby. You had some experience of being left out of a loved one's

:13:52. > :13:55.care with your own mum? I did. I had a traumatic year with my mother

:13:56. > :13:59.being in hospital and subsequently dying, and my husband having an

:14:00. > :14:03.accident and being in hospital. It made me see things from the other

:14:04. > :14:10.side of the sheets and how important it is, how essential it is to have

:14:11. > :14:15.the family on board with the patient's care. What were the

:14:16. > :14:19.concerns from nurses initially? That we were trying to get rid of them,

:14:20. > :14:23.that it was a cost-cutting measure. There were worried about the legal

:14:24. > :14:31.status of their registration and things. We convinced some nurses

:14:32. > :14:34.before we started that that wasn't the case. And others have

:14:35. > :14:40.subsequently realised, once they have seen family integrated care,

:14:41. > :14:44.that that is not the case. I'm going to bring in Leah now, because I

:14:45. > :14:51.think one of her boys is needing her attention. Is that excel at --

:14:52. > :14:55.Alexander or Zachary? This is Alexander. Tell us about the

:14:56. > :15:03.experience you had when your twins were born prematurely? There were

:15:04. > :15:06.born at 30 weeks, ten weeks premature, at Saint Mary -- St

:15:07. > :15:15.Mary's Hospital in Paddington. It was spontaneous. Obviously not

:15:16. > :15:23.planned labour that early. They were in intensive care for two days in an

:15:24. > :15:32.incubator. Then they were downgraded to special care.

:15:33. > :15:40.We were fortunate enough to be in the new special care uin the at St

:15:41. > :15:45.Mary's Hospital so they had some parent bedrooms so we could live

:15:46. > :15:52.actually in the hospital 24/7 like a little hotel. Were you involved in

:15:53. > :15:56.caring for your boys? Yes. We were fully involved. They couldn't

:15:57. > :16:03.breastfeed initially so they had to learn how to do that. So we were

:16:04. > :16:09.feeding them through feeding tubes, giving medicine through the feeding

:16:10. > :16:14.tubes as well, changing nappies, and bathing them as well. Pretty much

:16:15. > :16:19.like you would with a newborn baby. So you were able to bond, clearly,

:16:20. > :16:25.you were able to bond, you can see you both now. Yes. Yes, it was a

:16:26. > :16:29.very important time actually for bonding because as another lady

:16:30. > :16:34.mentioned before the skin to skin contact, it is really important

:16:35. > :16:37.especially for premature babies when they can't actually breastfeed.

:16:38. > :16:42.Initially they need to have that skin contact. OK. I'm going to do

:16:43. > :16:46.what my other half used to when he was on a trip abroad and I would

:16:47. > :16:52.have a young child and the child would be playing up while he'd ring

:16:53. > :16:59.me and he would say, "I can hear you're busy." It used to wind me up!

:17:00. > :17:03.I'm going to do the same with you. Alexander may need your attention. I

:17:04. > :17:09.appreciate your contribution. Yes, he has had enough and I don't blame

:17:10. > :17:15.him! Let me bring in Carol O'Brien. Yours

:17:16. > :17:19.was the first western hospital to bring this in. Tell me how you came

:17:20. > :17:24.across what they were doing in Estonia? We went to visit in Estonia

:17:25. > :17:29.to see what they were doing in March 2010. That's where we got an idea of

:17:30. > :17:36.what they were doing and the challenge was how to translate that

:17:37. > :17:40.to a North American environment and a Canadian environment. Is it that

:17:41. > :17:43.different? Well, it was very different at the time I would say to

:17:44. > :17:48.what we were doing in North America where parents were still seen as

:17:49. > :17:52.visitors and you know, could visit the NICO at visiting times and had

:17:53. > :17:57.to ask permission from the nurse to take care of their baby and now

:17:58. > :18:01.we've changed that par dime where parents are not seen as visitors any

:18:02. > :18:05.longer. They have full access to their baby and the focus is on

:18:06. > :18:09.coaching the parents to be parents and to include them as early as

:18:10. > :18:14.possible in their baby's care. OK, I want to bring in Sarah. Sarah your

:18:15. > :18:18.twins were premature, they were born at 28 weeks. And you did not feel

:18:19. > :18:24.enough involved in their care. What was that like? At the beginning, it

:18:25. > :18:29.was very difficult. Eva was transferred to a different hospital

:18:30. > :18:33.so I had to stay in Queen Charlotte's Hospital with Charlotte

:18:34. > :18:39.for five days before I was able to see Eva so that was very difficult.

:18:40. > :18:43.Eva was in fare so it was two weeks before I was able to hold her. At

:18:44. > :18:48.the beginning certainly I felt very much like a visitor and an on-looker

:18:49. > :18:54.and I felt scared to be, I didn't want to harm my baby. I thought the

:18:55. > :18:58.medical, they know best, I will just stand back and let everybody else

:18:59. > :19:02.take over. I think a will the of parents feel they are not really

:19:03. > :19:08.your babiment they belong somehow to the hospital because you're not able

:19:09. > :19:13.to look after them. And Eva was very sick. She was in intensive care and

:19:14. > :19:17.Charlotte in high dependency. I had the added challenge that I had them

:19:18. > :19:22.in different rooms so I had to go between the two. It took me a long

:19:23. > :19:27.time to bond with Eva after that two weeks of not being able to hold her.

:19:28. > :19:31.I've since had a full term baby so I'm able to make that comparison and

:19:32. > :19:34.one of the things which is difficult when you're in the neo-natal unit is

:19:35. > :19:44.you have to ask permission to hold your baby. And you have to check

:19:45. > :19:48.when it's feeding time and you have to check when care and the nurse are

:19:49. > :19:51.good at getting the parents involved in the care and because I was there

:19:52. > :19:57.so long and I got very involved and I asked a lot of questions and I did

:19:58. > :20:02.get involved with their care, but at the beginning, you know, it's a very

:20:03. > :20:07.traumatic time and you're just scared. You're looking at an

:20:08. > :20:12.incubator, in mew case, two incubators and you're terrified.

:20:13. > :20:16.Liz, you must have picked up on that from parents previously, mums and

:20:17. > :20:20.dads feel like their baby belongs to the hospital because their baby is

:20:21. > :20:26.so sick. And when a parent is scared, how do you get them involved

:20:27. > :20:31.with their full consent? Well, I think, a lot of parents particularly

:20:32. > :20:36.dads always are terrified to even touch their baby because they're so

:20:37. > :20:41.tiny and so fragile and I think, it's about just gently bringing,

:20:42. > :20:45.coaching the parents really to give them the confidence to be able to

:20:46. > :20:52.care for their baby in the way that they should be able to. Doreen,

:20:53. > :20:57.hello, Doreen Crawford a nurse with many years experience in premature

:20:58. > :21:01.baby care. From a nursing union prospective, what concerns, if any,

:21:02. > :21:07.do you have with family integrated care? I have no concerns. It is a

:21:08. > :21:12.welcome extension to family centred care which 140 NHS Trust across

:21:13. > :21:18.England already implement and I was very pleased to hear that Leeds were

:21:19. > :21:24.not considering this as a cheap alternative because over 2,000 nurse

:21:25. > :21:28.vacancies in England alone and 64% of neo-natal units don't have enough

:21:29. > :21:34.staff for safe staffing. Right. If that's the case then, I

:21:35. > :21:39.mean, I just wonder if there aren't enough staff for safe staffing, is

:21:40. > :21:43.it, is it a good thing for parents to be doing it? I think parents have

:21:44. > :21:46.got to be involved in their children's care. You're not just

:21:47. > :21:50.having a neo-natal experience, you're having a baby for the rest of

:21:51. > :21:57.your life. You're having a child and we all know the evidence exists that

:21:58. > :22:01.fully informed families are better parents and it's a more secure

:22:02. > :22:06.family unit. Sarah, sadly, one of your little

:22:07. > :22:10.girls, Eva died after six months, she was six months old. And you felt

:22:11. > :22:13.that you had undiagnosed post-traumatic stress, I think, when

:22:14. > :22:17.the twins were in hospital, potentially because you felt so

:22:18. > :22:23.helpless as a mother? I think that was definitely part of it. I think I

:22:24. > :22:27.was in hospital for so long, 197 days before Eva came home to die and

:22:28. > :22:34.I became very much part of that routine and I became very

:22:35. > :22:37.institutionalised and I had some amazing neo-natal nurses help and

:22:38. > :22:44.support me, and look after my baby. Both of them. But I would say, I

:22:45. > :22:49.think, the family integrated care is a great initiative. I would just say

:22:50. > :22:53.that parents need a lot of support and that's something I work with a

:22:54. > :22:59.charity called The Smallest Things and that's something we hear from a

:23:00. > :23:02.lot of parents who have been through neo-natal units, they don't have the

:23:03. > :23:06.psychological support they need while on the unit to help their

:23:07. > :23:12.babies. You're nodding in agreement there, Liz I am. It's a big problem.

:23:13. > :23:16.Parents need a huge amount of psychological support and there is a

:23:17. > :23:20.national standard specification for neo-natal care that says we should

:23:21. > :23:25.have access to a psychologist, but the resources aren't there for that

:23:26. > :23:31.and it's one of the issue that family integrated care seeks to help

:23:32. > :23:36.really by having peer support from parents who have been through the

:23:37. > :23:39.process before and will come back into the hospital to provide

:23:40. > :23:46.peer-to-peer support for families. Right. On that subject, Yvonne says,

:23:47. > :23:51."I descended into depression after my son was born prematurely because

:23:52. > :24:01.I could do nothing to help him and I ended up sitting in the corridor

:24:02. > :24:06.despite the nurses' love and care. I wish this system was around, it

:24:07. > :24:12.would have saved me three years of low self worth feelings." Beverley

:24:13. > :24:16.says her daughter arrived six weeks early. It made such a difference.

:24:17. > :24:20.Would you expect it to be rolled out across the country? Or in other

:24:21. > :24:24.hospitals in England and Wales? There is a huge amount of interest

:24:25. > :24:29.and other hospitals are beginning to roll it out which is great. We've

:24:30. > :24:34.got national study day supported by Bliss which is another premature

:24:35. > :24:38.baby charity. And I think that the parents will tell us that it has to

:24:39. > :24:47.be rolled out. Thank you very much. Thank you very much Doreen. Thank

:24:48. > :24:50.you Carol, Dr Carol O'Brien from Toronto and Sarah, and Dr Liz, thank

:24:51. > :24:53.you very much. Gay people in Chechnya

:24:54. > :24:55.are being rounded up and killed, according to claims

:24:56. > :24:57.from human rights groups. We'll be speaking to people

:24:58. > :24:59.in Russia about what life If you have just lost

:25:00. > :25:05.a partner, the last thing But for widowed parents,

:25:06. > :25:11.suddenly becoming the sole earner and providing for a family can add

:25:12. > :25:20.stress to an already traumatic time. As of Thursday, the Government

:25:21. > :25:22.is reforming the allowance it Until now, families have received

:25:23. > :25:26.regular payments for up to 20 years. Under the new system, it will pay

:25:27. > :25:29.a larger initial lump sum, but regular payment will stop

:25:30. > :25:31.after 18 months. Critics describe the changes

:25:32. > :25:36.as callous and brutal, but the Government say

:25:37. > :25:42.the changes are fairer. We can speak now to Alan,

:25:43. > :25:45.who has incurable cancer. Under the old system,

:25:46. > :25:50.he says his family would have But following these changes,

:25:51. > :25:55.which come into force on Thursday, he says they will receive

:25:56. > :25:59.just over ?6,000. He doesn't want us to use

:26:00. > :26:02.his surname to protect Baroness Ros Altmann,

:26:03. > :26:09.who was a Conservative Work and Pensions Minister

:26:10. > :26:17.until last year. Welcome both of you. Alan, thank you

:26:18. > :26:21.so much for talking to us and the reason that you want to speak out

:26:22. > :26:31.today, despite being very sick, is because you feel so strongly about

:26:32. > :26:38.this issue? That's right. I made a calculation not long ago regarding

:26:39. > :26:46.how much support would be available to my wife to help raise our young

:26:47. > :26:53.children and under the current system, as you say, I calculated it

:26:54. > :27:03.would have been a sum of over ?50,000 and under the new system it

:27:04. > :27:11.would reduce to ?6,000 and I was shocked that a system of benefits

:27:12. > :27:18.that has been in place as I understand for 70 years, since 1946,

:27:19. > :27:26.although it has been renamed, the essence of this support is that when

:27:27. > :27:31.somebody is widowed there is financial support available for

:27:32. > :27:43.young children up to the age of 19 or 20. And the fact that that has

:27:44. > :27:51.been taken away seems utterly callous and savage. Why do you think

:27:52. > :27:58.this decision has been made? I understand that this is a policy

:27:59. > :28:04.that was not at all mentioned in the Conservative manifesto as put

:28:05. > :28:14.together by George Osborne, as chancellor at the time, this policy

:28:15. > :28:20.therefore appears to have no mandate whatsoever and I can only think that

:28:21. > :28:28.some relatively junior minister advised the Chancellor at the time

:28:29. > :28:40.because the amount of money that I have already built up in my state

:28:41. > :28:46.pension through national insurance contributions is approaching

:28:47. > :28:54.?130,000 so even if the existing policy was paid out, it would only

:28:55. > :29:00.represent half of the money that I have put in to my state pension and

:29:01. > :29:08.of course, I won't have access to the state pension so whilst this is

:29:09. > :29:14.continually referred to as a saving, actually it's just depriving people

:29:15. > :29:19.of money that they have legitimately earned. I'm going to explain to our

:29:20. > :29:22.audience on your behalf if it's all right, Alan, that the reason that

:29:23. > :29:26.it's difficult for you to talk is because you have cancer which as I

:29:27. > :29:33.understand it started in your tonsils before spreading to your

:29:34. > :29:40.lungs and chest and last December you were given between one and five

:29:41. > :29:46.months to live. That's correct. And it essentially means therefore

:29:47. > :29:54.that if I were to have died or still do in the next cull of days my

:29:55. > :30:02.family would benefit from the current support system. Two days

:30:03. > :30:04.later, we lose ?50,000. What conversations have you had with your

:30:05. > :30:15.family about this? I have explained the situation to

:30:16. > :30:21.them. I have said in some ways it wouldn't be a bad thing if they lost

:30:22. > :30:27.me a couple of days early, because at least there would be more

:30:28. > :30:35.financial support available. Of course, even talking in those terms

:30:36. > :30:45.is very upsetting. And how do they react when you say that? Well, they

:30:46. > :30:52.are very shocked that the government, which as far as we all

:30:53. > :30:59.understand, talks a good story about being caring and compassionate, but

:31:00. > :31:04.in actual fact has deemed arbitrarily that the period of

:31:05. > :31:13.bereavement which for 70 years has been set by the government as

:31:14. > :31:17.children up to the age of 19 and 20, suddenly the whole process of

:31:18. > :31:23.bereavement is now different for some unknown and unexplained reason.

:31:24. > :31:30.And Theresa May, even yesterday, supported the theory, no support for

:31:31. > :31:38.it whatsoever, that you can acceptably believe for 18 months,

:31:39. > :31:45.and suddenly all is well. -- Grieve. I know she is not a parent as such,

:31:46. > :31:52.and may not have some of the emotional feeling and empathy

:31:53. > :31:57.towards children. But nevertheless, her advisers shouldn't have let her

:31:58. > :32:04.speak out in such a simplistic way, because we have all had people,

:32:05. > :32:10.known people who have had losses, and the losses and the pain and the

:32:11. > :32:19.anguish don't suddenly turn off like a tap at month 18. So it was perhaps

:32:20. > :32:23.one of the most naive things someone senior has ever said. What would be

:32:24. > :32:31.your direct message to the Prime Minister? Look into the evidence

:32:32. > :32:38.that is available from bereavement charity 's, from people she may even

:32:39. > :32:46.know herself, and put a line through this erroneous myth that bereavement

:32:47. > :32:53.starts and finishes at 18 months. Actually accept the fact that the

:32:54. > :33:00.best practice and the wisdom has always been it goes on for a very

:33:01. > :33:07.long time, and that we should, as a country, support widowed parents who

:33:08. > :33:15.are working against the most terrible headwinds, to bring up

:33:16. > :33:19.young children who have lost their parents. And we should keep the

:33:20. > :33:25.current system in place. Particularly because, as I said

:33:26. > :33:32.before, there is not a penny being saved. All the money is already in

:33:33. > :33:38.the state pension pot. I and others have worked very hard to accumulate

:33:39. > :33:46.that. I am going to read you a comment

:33:47. > :33:52.from one of our viewers, who says, the amounts paid out to bereaved

:33:53. > :34:00.families was a ridiculously generous amount. It's neither generous --

:34:01. > :34:07.callous to cut that. I was that widow in my 30s with children. Well,

:34:08. > :34:12.it's not right for me to comment on any individual. I don't know what

:34:13. > :34:22.their situation was, and they are entitled to that opinion. I wholly

:34:23. > :34:25.disagree with it. Chris says, in Derus Omeley people watching you

:34:26. > :34:30.around the country, and they say they find your story utterly

:34:31. > :34:35.heartbreaking. -- there are so many people watching you around the

:34:36. > :34:40.country. Another example of how the Conservatives are victimising those

:34:41. > :34:44.most in need. Rowan is horrified by the cutting benefits for bereaved

:34:45. > :34:49.families. It is not acceptable. May I read you the official statement we

:34:50. > :34:58.have from the Department for Work and Pensions, which explains why

:34:59. > :35:01.they say they are doing this? We are modernising the support we offer,

:35:02. > :35:05.replacing an outdated system that doesn't reflect people's lives

:35:06. > :35:11.today. The new bereavement support payment is simpler, easier to

:35:12. > :35:15.understand, tax-free and doesn't affect the amount received from

:35:16. > :35:21.other benefits, so families can access wider welfare support. And

:35:22. > :35:30.younger grieving spouses and civil partners without children will get

:35:31. > :35:40.monthly support for the first time. Well... I mean, the simple fact is

:35:41. > :35:47.that the amount of money being awarded is virtually identical when

:35:48. > :35:52.you make the adjustment pre-and post-tax, so there is no actual new

:35:53. > :35:58.money coming in on a weekly basis. What is happening is that the

:35:59. > :36:07.support currently available for up to 20 years for a young child who

:36:08. > :36:14.has lost a parent through two aged 20, is simply being cut to 18

:36:15. > :36:22.months. And however that stressed up as simplification or streamlining,

:36:23. > :36:31.it's just a massive Draconian, brutal, callous savage cut. It

:36:32. > :36:39.wasn't in the manifesto. People didn't vote for it. George Osborne

:36:40. > :36:46.randomly set this in motion in 2015 to one do support that has been in

:36:47. > :36:51.place for UK citizens first 70 years. And it's simply disgraceful

:36:52. > :36:57.and unacceptable. Allen, thank you so much for talking

:36:58. > :37:04.to us. I would be grateful if you could listen to Baroness Alterman.

:37:05. > :37:07.-- Baroness Roz Altmann. She is a Conservative peer and she was work

:37:08. > :37:14.and pensions Minister onto last year. Good morning. Good morning.

:37:15. > :37:20.And good morning Alan. I'm so sorry to hear of your really sad story.

:37:21. > :37:27.Can these changes be justified in any way? Well, I must admit I very

:37:28. > :37:34.much agree with the thrust of what Alan is saying. It is true that this

:37:35. > :37:37.will be a simpler system and it is true that the old system was too

:37:38. > :37:42.complicated, with three different types of benefits. You didn't really

:37:43. > :37:48.know exactly what you were going to get. But the fact of the matter is,

:37:49. > :37:54.in my view, that offering support for just 18 months to a widowed

:37:55. > :37:59.parent assumes that after 18 months everything is fine. And I would

:38:00. > :38:08.think most right-thinking people don't agree with that. And I do find

:38:09. > :38:13.it strange that the truth here is that this is going to save ?40

:38:14. > :38:19.million a year from 2020. That is the honest answer. This is about

:38:20. > :38:24.saving money. And it's actually a policy that Iain Duncan Smith and

:38:25. > :38:31.the Department for Work and Pensions devised. And I don't think that the

:38:32. > :38:36.priorities are as I would want to see them. Indeed I was arguing for a

:38:37. > :38:43.longer period of support than 18 months. How long were you arguing

:38:44. > :38:45.for a? I think we need some proper research in terms of the

:38:46. > :38:51.psychological impact of bereavement, and I don't believe we have really

:38:52. > :38:57.delved into that at all. But what was it you suggested? I suggested

:38:58. > :39:02.five to ten years. But we don't know. We need proper research. The

:39:03. > :39:10.issue here though is prioritising the money to be spent on the widowed

:39:11. > :39:16.partners without children, at the expense of widowed partners with

:39:17. > :39:19.children, seems to me, from a social perspective, not to be what most

:39:20. > :39:25.people would think was right and fair. Clearly in the old system, if

:39:26. > :39:31.you had no dependent children and you were under 45, you got nothing.

:39:32. > :39:34.And you will now get a couple of thousand pounds or a little bit

:39:35. > :39:39.more. But under the old system there was much more and longer term

:39:40. > :39:44.support for parents with children. Now I do agree with the government's

:39:45. > :39:48.idea that the best route out of poverty is to get into work. And

:39:49. > :39:56.that is another thrust behind these reforms. But I sincerely do not

:39:57. > :40:01.believe that telling parents that their support payments are only

:40:02. > :40:06.going to last 18 months, when there are so many circumstances in which

:40:07. > :40:15.psychologically they will not be over the bereavement at all by then,

:40:16. > :40:18.is not, in my view, how I would want to see a compassionate, Conservative

:40:19. > :40:24.government running this kind of policy. And let's face it,

:40:25. > :40:29.bereavement at a young age, indeed at any age, but particularly when

:40:30. > :40:33.coping with bringing up younger children and trying to work in many

:40:34. > :40:38.cases as well, but having to cut that from full-time to part-time,

:40:39. > :40:45.can be a really distressing experience. And the society, if at

:40:46. > :40:50.any time, surely at that time, it should surely step up and offer

:40:51. > :40:54.proper support. Theresa May said yesterday when she was asked about

:40:55. > :40:57.the changes coming in, it is about being fair to those who are

:40:58. > :41:03.bereaved, it is about being fair to other taxpayers, as many of our

:41:04. > :41:11.guests have pointed out, those dying of also been taxpayers. I want to

:41:12. > :41:15.ask you, if you remember, on the steps of Downing Street last year,

:41:16. > :41:20.Mrs May said, when we take the big calls, we will think not be

:41:21. > :41:24.powerful, but of you. When we pass big laws, we will listen not to the

:41:25. > :41:30.mighty, but to you. Do they sound like empty words when you look at

:41:31. > :41:35.policy now? Well, I think what is suggested here is that this is not

:41:36. > :41:39.considered a big call. And of course do those individuals to whom

:41:40. > :41:45.bereavement happens, it is a huge call. It is such a devastating

:41:46. > :41:51.event. And of course Alan and his family know that. They are at the

:41:52. > :41:57.sharp end. And I do really feel that society itself, and the people of

:41:58. > :42:03.this country, will want to step up and help widowed parents. They need

:42:04. > :42:06.support from the national insurance system. That is what national

:42:07. > :42:11.insurance should be therefore, in my view.

:42:12. > :42:21.Alan, not your real name, I should have said. This is a big call for

:42:22. > :42:33.you, I would have thought? Yeah, this is an absolutely huge call. It

:42:34. > :42:36.is changing, obviously, my family to people who are suddenly going to be

:42:37. > :42:44.thrown into grief for a very long period of time. And I agree with

:42:45. > :42:52.what the baroness just said. National insurance on to work paid

:42:53. > :42:59.in, in my case, hoping that I would be alive at aged 68, to draw my

:43:00. > :43:07.state pension. That same money should be available to support my

:43:08. > :43:13.family in the form of the widowed parents allowance. The money

:43:14. > :43:17.actually would not be anywhere near as great as the amount of money that

:43:18. > :43:26.I've already accumulated in the state pension. So there would still

:43:27. > :43:34.be a saving. But there would still be a proper entitlement to support

:43:35. > :43:37.at this terrible time. I want to read you some more comments if I

:43:38. > :43:44.can. We are so grateful for your time. John says, what a lovely man

:43:45. > :43:48.this is. So articulate, so clear about his family and how they will

:43:49. > :43:52.be affected by his death, financially. What a world we live in

:43:53. > :43:56.when we see everything so black and white. How dare the government put

:43:57. > :44:00.this terrible worry and pressure on a terminally ill person? Please let

:44:01. > :44:06.someone see sense and let him die knowing that this is resolved for

:44:07. > :44:11.him. It's true, because at this point in one's life, you are

:44:12. > :44:17.contemplating death. And you want to go out of this world with some

:44:18. > :44:26.dignity, with some grace, with some peace of mind. Not full of financial

:44:27. > :44:31.anxiety, feeling as if the government has just taken money away

:44:32. > :44:36.from you that he had earned legitimately. Linda says, I am

:44:37. > :44:41.heartbroken and listening to Alan's story. I am ashamed to be British.

:44:42. > :44:45.Michael says, what a truly unique individual Alan is. The government

:44:46. > :44:49.will be able to carry this out as there is no opposition across the

:44:50. > :44:55.House. Craig, incredibly brave interview. Bereaved families benefit

:44:56. > :44:59.payments being cut is the evil Cherry placed on top of a heartless

:45:00. > :45:05.cake. Kalann says, I totally agree with Alan about cutting the benefit.

:45:06. > :45:08.It is a callous and brutal cut by this government. It is about saving

:45:09. > :45:13.the government money and nothing less, however they decide to

:45:14. > :45:20.presented. It is awful and so sad. I think it's very true that we have

:45:21. > :45:25.lost an effective Her Majesty's opposition. It is self evident. I

:45:26. > :45:30.don't think anybody thinks that the other side of the comment, the

:45:31. > :45:36.opposition, does anything at the moment. So I would call upon the

:45:37. > :45:42.Lords, the second chamber, to step up now and call the government to

:45:43. > :45:50.account, because I think they can and should mount a cross-party

:45:51. > :45:55.initiated to stop this terrible situation.

:45:56. > :46:05.Alan... Hello. I commit to you to try and speak to the other parties

:46:06. > :46:10.across the House to see if there is anything we can do to extent the

:46:11. > :46:16.period of support for widowed parents because I am really, really

:46:17. > :46:21.upset by the way in which this is being done and the way it is being

:46:22. > :46:27.presented because it is about saving money and it is about giving more

:46:28. > :46:31.money to parents who are widowed, partners that are widowed without

:46:32. > :46:38.families and it is not recognising the devastation that it can cause to

:46:39. > :46:42.parents with young children. So I will have discussions with members

:46:43. > :46:46.across the House of Lords in all parties and see if there is anything

:46:47. > :46:48.we can do to encourage the Government to extent the support for

:46:49. > :46:55.parents. Thank you. Alan thank you so much

:46:56. > :47:02.for talking to us this morning and giving us so much of your time. We

:47:03. > :47:09.really appreciate. A pleasure. We will follow you as you try to, as

:47:10. > :47:16.you say, try and draw Lords together to try and stop the changes.

:47:17. > :47:20.We have so many comments from you about what Alan was saying.

:47:21. > :47:27.I will try and read some more before the end of the programme.

:47:28. > :47:30.More than 100 gay men have been rounded up by authorities

:47:31. > :47:33.in a region of Russia and subjected to torture and even murdered.

:47:34. > :47:38.That's according to a Russian newspaper and human rights

:47:39. > :47:40.campaigners in the country, which claim dozens of men aged

:47:41. > :47:45.between 16 and 50 have mysteriously disappeared off the streets

:47:46. > :47:48.in Chechnya including well-known television personalities

:47:49. > :47:54.and religious leaders and at least three people killed.

:47:55. > :47:56.The Chechen authorities say this report was "absolute lies

:47:57. > :47:58.and disinformation", saying gay people do not

:47:59. > :48:06.We can speak now to Svetlana Zakharova

:48:07. > :48:09.from Russian LGBT Network, who is in St Petersburg.

:48:10. > :48:13.Tanya Lokshina, who is Russia programme director

:48:14. > :48:18.at Human Rights Watch. She's in Moscow.

:48:19. > :48:26.Thank you very much for talking to us. Tell us, I mean, I know you have

:48:27. > :48:30.set-up a hot line for gay people inside Chechnya. What sort of

:48:31. > :48:35.stories are you getting? Well, we are already getting requests from

:48:36. > :48:39.gay men who basically want to escape our who already managed to escape,

:48:40. > :48:44.but they are afraid that they can be hunted. I can say by now for the

:48:45. > :48:49.first two days of the hot line, we got more than ten requests for help.

:48:50. > :48:58.What do they say is happening in Chechnya? Well... We can still hear

:48:59. > :49:03.you. They're telling different stories. Basically that they are

:49:04. > :49:08.terribly scared. They don't know what to do and they are even afraid

:49:09. > :49:13.to contact us and co-operate with us because they still believe that they

:49:14. > :49:16.can be punished. OK. Tanya, from your own experience, Russia

:49:17. > :49:20.programme director at Human Rights Watch, what are you hearing about

:49:21. > :49:26.what's going on in Chechnya and why? Well, the information which was

:49:27. > :49:31.first publicised a few days ago was very similar to the information that

:49:32. > :49:39.we have been getting from a range of trusted sources including sources in

:49:40. > :49:42.the Chechen republic, the number of those sources and the consistency of

:49:43. > :49:46.the store Chris that we were being told left us with no doubt that the

:49:47. > :49:54.devastating developments are taking place. Dozens of males, are detained

:49:55. > :50:04.in abduction-style detention centres in Chechnya on suspicion of being

:50:05. > :50:14.gay. They are tortured, and three individuals at least died as a

:50:15. > :50:27.result. Now, this situation is utterly devastating. Officials say

:50:28. > :50:33.that gay people don't exist. This is ridiculous. The Kremlin press

:50:34. > :50:36.service made a comment on the issue. Vladimir Putin's press secretary

:50:37. > :50:43.said specifically that the Kremlin did not have any information about

:50:44. > :50:47.the situation, but as there were media reports, law enforcement

:50:48. > :50:52.agencies in Russia would look into the reports and run a check. Now,

:50:53. > :50:57.this sounds like good news, right, like a signal to law enforcement

:50:58. > :51:02.authorities that there is media reports come -- those media reports

:51:03. > :51:08.cannot be ig in order, but what really bothered us on the other hand

:51:09. > :51:11.is that the official said while those individuals who supposedly

:51:12. > :51:15.suffered in the hands of law enforcement and security officials

:51:16. > :51:18.in Chechnya should file official complaints and then law enforcement

:51:19. > :51:23.agencies will look into the complaints. OK. Thank you. We're

:51:24. > :51:33.going to leave it there, but thank you so much, Tanya. Tanya who is

:51:34. > :51:36.from Human Rights Watch and thank you to the Russian LGBT network in

:51:37. > :51:42.St Petersburg. Did you know that right now it's

:51:43. > :51:45.legal in the UK for doctors to perform plastic surgery,

:51:46. > :51:47.even if they haven't That means a gynaecologist

:51:48. > :51:50.could legally perform a face-lift. A cardiologist could perform

:51:51. > :51:52.liposuction, or a GP could perform an eyelid lift -

:51:53. > :51:55.all they need is a basic surgery There are some calls

:51:56. > :52:06.for this to change. In this country, someone could go

:52:07. > :52:10.and get a training course for a weekend and get a certificate

:52:11. > :52:17.and start injecting. Anybody can go and buy fillers

:52:18. > :52:20.and inject them into you. You know, your plumber can

:52:21. > :52:27.inject fillers into you. There are cases of blindness

:52:28. > :52:33.after filler injections. If you do have bleeding after eyelid

:52:34. > :52:36.surgery and the blood manages to get round to the back of the eye,

:52:37. > :52:39.if that isn't picked up quickly enough, the pressure on your eye

:52:40. > :52:50.could make you go permanently blind. Breasts will become saggy with age,

:52:51. > :52:54.and an implant will only Most people will need replacement

:52:55. > :53:02.of their implants 15, The big procedure now

:53:03. > :53:13.is the Brazilian butt lift, which involves fat injections

:53:14. > :53:15.to the buttock area to give Kim Kardashian, J-Lo -

:53:16. > :53:23.the effect is well and truly I've seen so many patients with body

:53:24. > :53:34.dysmorphic disorder, and they are best served by seeing

:53:35. > :53:37.a psychologist than Anyone can operate, but it

:53:38. > :53:44.takes real skill to know In 2012, Dawn Knight went

:53:45. > :53:51.to a doctor that was recommended to her by a hospital,

:53:52. > :53:56.to fix hooded eyelids. It never occurred to her look up

:53:57. > :53:59.if her doctor was a specialist plastic surgeon, qualified

:54:00. > :54:02.to do her surgery. The operation went wrong

:54:03. > :54:07.and she was left unable to fully close her eyes

:54:08. > :54:09.and has long-term It was only after the surgery

:54:10. > :54:14.that she looked up her doctor on the General Medical Council list

:54:15. > :54:24.and found he was not registered We were going to talk to Dawn, but

:54:25. > :54:29.there is an issue so we can't speak to her right now. I apologise for

:54:30. > :54:33.that. No, we can talk to her. Dawn, hello. Hi, good morning. Thank you

:54:34. > :54:40.for talking to us. Tell us why you wanted the eye surgery? Well, I had

:54:41. > :54:43.weight loss surgery and lost quite a bit of weight and the only thing

:54:44. > :54:49.really that bothered me after that was my upper eye lids. So I decided

:54:50. > :54:55.to go back to the company that had the original surgery with and ended

:54:56. > :54:59.up having upper and lower eye lid surgery. And when was it clear that

:55:00. > :55:04.something wasn't right after you had the surgery? Well, I had the surgery

:55:05. > :55:12.in 2012 and I had never had anything done with my eyes before, but I was

:55:13. > :55:16.fairly aware that I was incredibly uncomfortable, my eyes were sore and

:55:17. > :55:21.itchy and that continued on and never really got any better. And

:55:22. > :55:26.obviously, you went back and said, "Look, this is not right." How did

:55:27. > :55:30.they react? Well, it was a case of, you know, you need to continue to

:55:31. > :55:36.speak to your surgeon which I did. I went back and saw him on a few

:55:37. > :55:41.occasions. And then eventually the communication stopped. And

:55:42. > :55:44.eventually you were told, I think, that your eyes wouldn't close

:55:45. > :55:49.properly. They wouldn't fully close as a result of the surgeon taking

:55:50. > :55:55.out too much skin, is that correct? Yeah, that's correct, yeah. I have

:55:56. > :56:00.been left with a condition which is the inability to close my eyes when

:56:01. > :56:07.I sleep which is also having an effect on the surface of my eyes and

:56:08. > :56:13.my day-to-day life is governed by in the interim time caring for the

:56:14. > :56:20.surface of my eyes. I mean, your doctor was not a

:56:21. > :56:25.specialist in this area, but was registered? That's right. Certainly

:56:26. > :56:28.not back then I didn't question who I had been introduced toment I was

:56:29. > :56:33.led to believe he was the right guy for the job. I did check that he was

:56:34. > :56:38.on the GMC register which he was and is and you know didn't really feel

:56:39. > :56:42.like I should have been investigating any further at that

:56:43. > :56:47.time. Having said that, if I knew what I know now I would have looked

:56:48. > :56:52.far more deeply in the person that I was being matched with for surgery.

:56:53. > :56:57.And briefly Dawn, how do you reflect on what happened to you? It has been

:56:58. > :57:02.an incredibly traumatic five years. I've tried my best to help other

:57:03. > :57:07.women that have found themselves in a similar position and my advice

:57:08. > :57:14.really would be in the lack of any serious regulation within the

:57:15. > :57:17.industry, the cosmetic and a settic industry, you need to do your

:57:18. > :57:21.research, you need to look beyond where you think you would need to

:57:22. > :57:25.look and the registers with the Royal College of Surgeons and the up

:57:26. > :57:28.and coming one for the non cosmetic industry have to be the first point

:57:29. > :57:32.of contact really. Thank you, Dawn. Thank you so much

:57:33. > :57:36.for talking to us. I appreciate your time. Dawn Knight.

:57:37. > :57:39.This news is to do with the investigation into the attack on the

:57:40. > :57:45.young asylum seeker in Croydon on Friday. Police say that they have

:57:46. > :57:51.charged a further six people in connection with that assault. The

:57:52. > :57:56.young asylum seeker in a really serious condition in hospital and

:57:57. > :58:01.lucky to escape with his life. This e-mail from Kate and it is to

:58:02. > :58:06.do with Alan who we spoke to earlier who is dying of cancer and incurable

:58:07. > :58:11.cancer and he was speaking out in very calm terms about the changes to

:58:12. > :58:16.bereavement allowances which come in this Thursday and which could have

:58:17. > :58:21.real financial impact on his family. Kate says, "Alan's time is so

:58:22. > :58:24.precious and everyone who heard his testimony today are extremely

:58:25. > :58:30.honoured that he spent some of it on us. Mrs May, a U-turn is required

:58:31. > :58:33.again obviously." Thank you very much for getting in touch with the

:58:34. > :58:37.programme today. You can see the full interview with Alan on our

:58:38. > :58:38.programme page. Thank you for your company.