06/04/2017

:00:10. > :00:11.Hello, it's nine o'clock. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:12. > :00:15.In the next hour, a landmark court ruling on whether parents in England

:00:16. > :00:23.can take their children on holiday in term time.

:00:24. > :00:29.And I will be at the Supreme Court bringing you live reaction to that

:00:30. > :00:31.judgment. We are expecting it in the next hour.

:00:32. > :00:33.Cuts to bereavement payments - something we've been talking

:00:34. > :00:35.about all week on the programme - come into effect today.

:00:36. > :00:38.We'll hear from a group of parents calling on the government

:00:39. > :00:51.And how to bounce back from massive disappointment. There is a head shot

:00:52. > :00:52.in the last second. Olympic silver medallist

:00:53. > :00:54.Lutalo Mohammed, who missed out on a gold by one second,

:00:55. > :01:06.has been speaking to others We dropped from the darlings of the

:01:07. > :01:08.computer industry down to virtually zero. And that was a very, very

:01:09. > :01:18.tough time. We're live until 11

:01:19. > :01:23.o'clock this morning. We're also talking about free

:01:24. > :01:25.school meals this morning. The Labour leader says

:01:26. > :01:28.if they win the election, they will tax private

:01:29. > :01:31.school fees and pay for all children in state primary schools

:01:32. > :01:34.to have free meals. Let us know what you

:01:35. > :01:36.think of the idea. Or do you think there are better

:01:37. > :01:40.ways to spend the money? Are you one of the parents paying

:01:41. > :01:43.school fees who would have Do get in touch on all the stories

:01:44. > :01:47.we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria live,

:01:48. > :01:50.and if you text, you will be charged The Supreme Court will rule today

:01:51. > :01:55.on whether parents can take their children on holiday

:01:56. > :01:57.in term time, without It's considering the case

:01:58. > :02:03.of John Platt, who refused to pay a fine after taking his daughter

:02:04. > :02:06.to Florida for a week in 2015. The decision could mean big changes

:02:07. > :02:11.for parents across England, as our legal affairs correspondent

:02:12. > :02:17.Clive Coleman reports In 2015, Jon Platt took his

:02:18. > :02:20.daughter out of school He was fined ?120 by his local

:02:21. > :02:25.council on the Isle of Wight. He refused to pay, as his daughter

:02:26. > :02:34.was regularly attending school. She had a more than 90% attendance

:02:35. > :02:39.record. One in nine parents received

:02:40. > :02:43.a truancy penalty last year. That's a staggering number of people

:02:44. > :02:48.who received these fines last year. My assessment is that any

:02:49. > :02:50.unauthorised absence was a criminal offence, according to

:02:51. > :02:52.the Isle of Wight Council. Following concerns that some

:02:53. > :02:54.families saw term time holidays at cheaper prices as a right, rules

:02:55. > :02:58.came in in 2013, allowing local councils to fine a parent ?60

:02:59. > :03:01.per child, doubling to ?120 if not But the fines did not

:03:02. > :03:10.stop a rise in absences. Last year, more than 80,000 pupils

:03:11. > :03:13.in England missed one or more sessions of school

:03:14. > :03:15.for family holidays. That is up more than 100,000

:03:16. > :03:21.from the previous year. Term-time holidays account

:03:22. > :03:27.for a quarter of sessions. The Department for Education says

:03:28. > :03:30.unauthorised absences damage life The chaos caused by a child missing

:03:31. > :03:37.for an extended period of time, three, four, five days,

:03:38. > :03:42.two weeks, can be huge. The impact will ripple

:03:43. > :03:46.on for months afterwards. If coming to school did not make

:03:47. > :03:50.a difference, we would not send The court case centres

:03:51. > :03:54.on what amounts to regular A win for Jon Platt would give

:03:55. > :03:59.parents more confidence to take their children on holiday

:04:00. > :04:16.during term-time, knowing And you can see Jon Platt right now

:04:17. > :04:21.arriving at the Supreme Court to hear the ruling. He is the dad at

:04:22. > :04:26.the centre of this case. There he is outside having his photograph taken

:04:27. > :04:31.by members of the press. Clive, this is a big deal for parents, teachers

:04:32. > :04:35.and the Department of education? It is a huge deal. We know that parents

:04:36. > :04:39.head the fact if you take your child on holiday during the school

:04:40. > :04:46.holidays, you pay more money. There are many parents... In fact, ending

:04:47. > :04:50.and last year there were 800,000 children who missed school because

:04:51. > :04:54.they were taken on holiday by their parents during term time. It is a

:04:55. > :04:59.really big issue. The Department of education argues that if you do

:05:00. > :05:03.that, you are damaging your child's chances at GCSE level and indeed

:05:04. > :05:07.their life chances. Parents on the other hand, like Jon Platt, argue

:05:08. > :05:13.that if their child is regularly attending, and his daughter had

:05:14. > :05:18.something like a 90% plus attendance record, then it is legitimate to be

:05:19. > :05:22.able to take the child on holiday during term time. What casually

:05:23. > :05:26.centres on is what amounts to regular attendance. And when that is

:05:27. > :05:33.looked at in terms of whether someone has committed an offence, do

:05:34. > :05:37.you simply look at the holiday time? Someone is taking a holiday for a

:05:38. > :05:40.week, clearly there cannot be regularly attending during that

:05:41. > :05:44.period. But if they have a good attendance records during the term

:05:45. > :05:48.itself, you could argue they are regularly attending. The court will

:05:49. > :05:53.determine what is regular attendance and what parents are allowed to do.

:05:54. > :05:57.We will be back with you as soon as the judgment comes in. We are

:05:58. > :06:01.expecting it before ten o'clock. As soon as it comes in, we would bring

:06:02. > :06:03.it alive. Now the rest of the morning's news.

:06:04. > :06:06.The White House has issued a warning to Russia over its support

:06:07. > :06:07.of the Syrian regime, following chemical attacks

:06:08. > :06:11.which killed at least 72 people earlier this week.

:06:12. > :06:14.Donald Trump condemned the attacks as "an affront to humanity" -

:06:15. > :06:17.it comes ahead of his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping

:06:18. > :06:25.Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

:06:26. > :06:28.primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

:06:29. > :06:32.Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

:06:33. > :06:35.would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

:06:36. > :06:39.But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

:06:40. > :06:43.which claims the sums do not add up.

:06:44. > :06:46.The Care Quality Commission is to release critical

:06:47. > :06:48.reports into four online pharmacies in England.

:06:49. > :06:53.Concerns were raised by the CQC about all four pharmacies.

:06:54. > :06:55.One pharmacy was found to employ a clinician who wasn't registered

:06:56. > :07:06.Another pharmacy has been suspended from registered practice.

:07:07. > :07:09.Victoria will be discussing whether online pharmacies pose potential

:07:10. > :07:11.dangers later. A mother who went missing

:07:12. > :07:14.with her two young sons has been Samantha Baldwin was last seen

:07:15. > :07:18.with six-year-old Dylan and nine-year-old Louis

:07:19. > :07:19.in Nottingham on the Nottinghamshire Police said

:07:20. > :07:23.all three have been found There's a call for the drug ketamine

:07:24. > :07:30.to be used more widely by the NHS Psychiatrists in Oxford say they've

:07:31. > :07:34.had some success with a human trial using the Class B substance,

:07:35. > :07:36.which is also used They're now calling for a national

:07:37. > :07:40.database to be established, so that doctors who prescribe it can

:07:41. > :07:52.monitor its results, From today, companies that employ

:07:53. > :07:54.more than 250 staff will be legally required to publish the average

:07:55. > :07:57.salaries they pay men and women. About half of the UK workforce

:07:58. > :08:00.will be affected by the new rules. Education Secretary Justine

:08:01. > :08:02.Greening, who's also the Minister for Women and Equalities,

:08:03. > :08:05.says the measures are being brought There are many great companies

:08:06. > :08:13.in our country doing a fantastic job of bringing through

:08:14. > :08:16.our female talent. We want to see more companies doing

:08:17. > :08:19.that, but we think transparencies on reporting on that pay gap is part

:08:20. > :08:27.of figuring out how that happens. Pepsi has pulled its controversial

:08:28. > :08:30.new advert starring Kendall Jenner, after criticism that it was trying

:08:31. > :08:32.to commercialise protest movements The company received thousands

:08:33. > :08:38.of complaints about the tone and the content of the advert,

:08:39. > :08:42.in which Jenner joins a demonstration and gives

:08:43. > :08:44.a can of the soft drink Pepsi says it was trying to project

:08:45. > :08:48.a "global message of unity, peace and understanding",

:08:49. > :08:50.and apologised for, in its words, A headteacher at a US high

:08:51. > :08:56.school has resigned, after the student newspaper cast

:08:57. > :08:58.doubt on her qualifications. The investigation by six

:08:59. > :09:01.Pittsburg High School students has The head teacher, Amy Robertson,

:09:02. > :09:07.said she had no comment in response to the questions

:09:08. > :09:09.about her credentials, saying "their concerns

:09:10. > :09:15.are not based on facts". A motorcyclist in Australia

:09:16. > :09:17.had a lucky escape in an unusual traffic

:09:18. > :09:19.accident, when he was hit by a flying mattress.

:09:20. > :09:21.The drama was caught on CCTV. The mattress flew off the back

:09:22. > :09:25.of a van, straight into the path Thankfully, he managed to keep

:09:26. > :09:32.control - and the mattress did at least give him a soft landing.

:09:33. > :09:37.No-one was hurt in the incident. That's a summary of

:09:38. > :09:39.the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us

:09:40. > :09:48.throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live,

:09:49. > :09:58.and if you text, you will be charged It looks like Chelsea are going to

:09:59. > :10:03.win the Premier League this year? I think Chelsea are definitely a step

:10:04. > :10:07.closer. They have one hand on the trophy, or fingertips at least.

:10:08. > :10:11.There remain seven points clear at the top of the Premier League table

:10:12. > :10:15.after beating Manchester City last night. After the shock defeat

:10:16. > :10:19.against Crystal Palace, they needed a big performance and that is what

:10:20. > :10:25.they got, particularly from Eden Hazard, who scored his 15th and 16th

:10:26. > :10:29.goals of the season. Antonio Conte thinks they need six wins from their

:10:30. > :10:33.last eight games. They have struggling Sunderland and

:10:34. > :10:37.Middlesbrough still to play. It should be possible. But they have to

:10:38. > :10:43.go to Manchester United and Everton. They could be potential hurdles. If

:10:44. > :10:46.you look of the way they play, Chelsea are hard to break down and

:10:47. > :10:50.know how to grind out a win. It certainly looks as though they may

:10:51. > :10:55.be on for another Premier League title. Amazing scenes at Newcastle

:10:56. > :10:59.last night with a referee who didn't know the rules. What was going on? I

:11:00. > :11:04.don't think anybody knew what was going on. It was chaos. This is

:11:05. > :11:09.Newcastle, pushing for promotion back into the Premier League. They

:11:10. > :11:15.are at home to Burton. They knew a win would take them back to the top

:11:16. > :11:19.of the Championship. Matt Ritchie, the Newcastle midfielder, was given

:11:20. > :11:22.a penalty which he converted. But the referee was not happy. He feels

:11:23. > :11:27.that one of the Newcastle players was in the box whilst the penalty

:11:28. > :11:35.was being taken. Instead, as everyone would expect, for the

:11:36. > :11:40.referee to command a retake, he gave Burton and indirect free kick. Cue

:11:41. > :11:45.absolute pandemonium in the stadium. 50,000 fans incensed, not knowing

:11:46. > :11:52.what was happening, when the referee had given the decision. Look of the

:11:53. > :11:56.referee. Newcastle manager Rafa Benitez absolutely incensed,

:11:57. > :11:59.questioning the referee. Very unusually, this hardly ever happens,

:12:00. > :12:03.the referee ruling body released a statement to set the rules of the

:12:04. > :12:08.game have been misapplied. The referee has apologised. I am sure he

:12:09. > :12:12.was relieved to see Matt Ritchie score, Newcastle win and return to

:12:13. > :12:16.the top of the championship macro. Crazy scenes. And it looks like the

:12:17. > :12:21.favourite for the Masters could be out after falling down the stairs?

:12:22. > :12:26.Yes, a freak accident for Dustin Johnson. He is the world number one.

:12:27. > :12:29.He has won the last three tournaments he has been involved in.

:12:30. > :12:34.This is the biggest event on the golfing calendar. He has taken a

:12:35. > :12:38.fall down the stairs and injured his lower back. This was in the house he

:12:39. > :12:42.is renting during the tournament in Augusta. His manager says he is

:12:43. > :12:48.resting he is on a of anti-inflammatories with a hope of

:12:49. > :12:52.still playing. He was the favourite to win. That is seriously in doubt

:12:53. > :12:57.now. Back injuries are notoriously complicated for golfers, one of the

:12:58. > :13:01.worst injuries you can suffer. In his favour, he does have one of the

:13:02. > :13:07.later to times. He doesn't tee off onto three minutes past seven this

:13:08. > :13:12.evening. Fingers crossed for him. Thank you. More sport later. Good

:13:13. > :13:13.morning. Welcome to the programme. Today is the day that cuts

:13:14. > :13:15.made by the government It's also the day a coalition

:13:16. > :13:19.of charities is setting up a taskforce to try

:13:20. > :13:21.to fight the changes. From today, any parent

:13:22. > :13:25.who loses their spouse or civil partner will be able to claim

:13:26. > :13:27.a maximum of 18 months of financial support -

:13:28. > :13:31.that's down from 20 years. It also includes an increase

:13:32. > :13:34.in the initial lump sum from ?2000 to ?3500,

:13:35. > :13:38.and people without children will On Tuesday, we spoke to Alan -

:13:39. > :13:43.not his real name - who has incurable cancer,

:13:44. > :13:46.and has been told he He told us he's worked out

:13:47. > :13:51.that if he died before the changes came in,

:13:52. > :13:53.his wife and two children would have Now they will they receive,

:13:54. > :14:02.he says, up to ?6000. At this point, it wasn't life,

:14:03. > :14:08.you're contemplating death, and you want to go out of this world

:14:09. > :14:11.with some dignity, with some grace, with some peace of mind,

:14:12. > :14:19.not full of financial anxiety, feeling as if the Government has

:14:20. > :14:41.just taken money away from you. This case was raised in the House of

:14:42. > :14:44.Lords on Tuesday. Can I urge the Minister to talk to his ministerial

:14:45. > :14:50.colleagues so that the government can display understanding and

:14:51. > :14:55.humanity, and allow this brave young man to pass peacefully from this

:14:56. > :15:01.world, with dignity, in the knowledge that the financial future

:15:02. > :15:06.of his children is taking care of? Can I first say to my noble friend

:15:07. > :15:12.how sorry I am to hear about this case of this young man. And to offer

:15:13. > :15:17.my sympathies both to him and his family. I appreciate the urgency and

:15:18. > :15:21.I understand that this person may not have long to live. I shall

:15:22. > :15:24.certainly speak to colleagues as soon as humanly possible and come

:15:25. > :15:29.back to him with information on the situation.

:15:30. > :15:31.For the third day running, we asked for someone

:15:32. > :15:34.from the Department for Work and Pensions to talk to us today,

:15:35. > :15:36.to explain the reforms on the day they come in.

:15:37. > :15:39.They gave us the statement they sent us

:15:40. > :16:17.Conservative peer Lord Pollock the sphere and

:16:18. > :16:19.Also with us, Be sphere and n Brooks-Dutton,

:16:20. > :16:23.and widow who lost his wife a year after they married,

:16:24. > :16:24.leaving him to raise their two-year-old alone.

:16:25. > :16:27.Georgia Elms is a campaigner for the Widowed and Young charity,

:16:28. > :16:30.who was pregnant with her daughter when her husband, Jonathan, died

:16:31. > :16:33.And in Warwick, Beth and eight-year-old Sam.

:16:34. > :16:35.Beth has asked us not use her surname.

:16:36. > :16:38.She was left to bring up two boys when her husband, Duncan, died

:16:39. > :16:39.of an undiagnosed heart condition while playing

:16:40. > :16:51.welcome all of you. Thank you for coming on the programme. I will talk

:16:52. > :16:58.to Beth and Sam. Good morning to you. Morning. Good morning. Beth,

:16:59. > :17:03.the payments you received, how much did you need them and how much the

:17:04. > :17:06.due continued to use them? I was very fortunate that my husband

:17:07. > :17:10.Duncan worked for a very large engineering firm, and we have a good

:17:11. > :17:13.pension. However when I realised that my job was no longer tenable

:17:14. > :17:17.because I travel round the county are a lot for work as a teacher,

:17:18. > :17:23.travelling around different schools, and when I and a five-year-old as a

:17:24. > :17:31.single parent, I had to give up that job. When I went back to work, took

:17:32. > :17:34.on a job that required me to take a pay drop of nine tenths of our

:17:35. > :17:38.salary so all of a sudden our income was virtually halved. Consequently

:17:39. > :17:43.there was very difficult to deal with, so the widowed parents

:17:44. > :17:46.allowance allowed us to be able to do the things we used to do before

:17:47. > :17:48.Duncan died and I think that is important that our standard of

:17:49. > :17:52.living has remained roughly the same but mainly because of his pension.

:17:53. > :17:58.The widowed parents allowance just gives us a little extra to make sure

:17:59. > :18:03.we are able to go out and enjoy life as much as we can give on our new

:18:04. > :18:07.circumstances. Let me ask you this, Beth, because some of our audience

:18:08. > :18:10.do, do you think it is fair that other taxpayers should pay to the

:18:11. > :18:16.allowance you have been receiving when you do have Duncan's pension. I

:18:17. > :18:19.think it is very important to be clear that the widowed parents

:18:20. > :18:25.allowance is based on Duncan's national insurance contributions, so

:18:26. > :18:28.he paid in with his employer approximately ?100,000 over the time

:18:29. > :18:32.he was working for Jaguar Land Rover, semester that would have come

:18:33. > :18:35.back to him in his state pension, and obviously he is not going to be

:18:36. > :18:40.able to claim that now, having not live long enough to do so. So

:18:41. > :18:43.although it is seen as a benefit, it is actually an allowance based on

:18:44. > :18:47.his national insurance contributions, so the way that other

:18:48. > :18:55.people claim their state pension, it should be fair that we claim this to

:18:56. > :18:59.help the boys do what they would be able to have done otherwise. Sam

:19:00. > :19:08.Connor you have written a letter, who is it too? To Mr Wight. Who is

:19:09. > :19:15.that? Our MP. Anything you are happy to read us a bit of your letter?

:19:16. > :19:19.Yes. Go ahead, in your own time. Dear Mr Wight, I am writing to

:19:20. > :19:26.inform you that reducing the money of the widowed will" panic and

:19:27. > :19:32.worry. The widowed panic putt allowance, we think it is unfair

:19:33. > :19:38.that you are taking it away after 18 months. My daddy died when I was

:19:39. > :19:40.five and my brother Tom was three. The money my mother has received has

:19:41. > :19:48.helped considerably. Mummy would be more stressed. WPA means that Mum

:19:49. > :19:51.can still do my drop-offs and pick-ups at school. She can talk to

:19:52. > :19:55.my teacher if I am feeling sad or poorly. I look forward to a huge

:19:56. > :20:00.cuddle if I have had a bad day. I sometimes still feel flooded with

:20:01. > :20:04.sadness nearly four years later. I was to have stated when my daddy

:20:05. > :20:12.died and others will be too. They deserve to treated better when this

:20:13. > :20:15.tragedy hits them. Sam, that is so moving, thank you for reading that.

:20:16. > :20:19.I will just talk to our guests in the studio. You are doing a great

:20:20. > :20:26.job of listening I know you can't see us will stop Lord Pollock, first

:20:27. > :20:34.of all, the one and Sam was Mike case, Duncan died four years ago. As

:20:35. > :20:38.other people have said this week, grief does not simply last 18 months

:20:39. > :20:43.or it is how long the financial support be from today. Absolutely,

:20:44. > :20:47.that is why I am absolutely convinced it should work on the

:20:48. > :20:50.children. In other words while the children are in school or in

:20:51. > :20:56.full-time education, the money should be there to ensure they would

:20:57. > :21:00.be able to do, exactly as Sam said, or as Sam's mother said, so do the

:21:01. > :21:05.things he was able to do before. Sam is not the only one who has written

:21:06. > :21:09.a letter, you have too. I have, with some colleagues House of Lords we

:21:10. > :21:14.delivered a letter to the Secretary of State, Damian Green, last night.

:21:15. > :21:21.The Work and Pensions Secretary. After I raised, and you saw the

:21:22. > :21:25.clip, and... Do you know him personally? Damian Green? I have

:21:26. > :21:29.known Damian for 30 years. So it is not that you are both conservatives

:21:30. > :21:35.come you actually have a connection with him? Yes, I know him and I was

:21:36. > :21:40.prepared to write a letter to him because he was not involved actually

:21:41. > :21:46.when this was being discussed. When you go from a theoretical bill to

:21:47. > :21:51.now, today, the act becomes law, and now we are into the practical. I

:21:52. > :21:55.don't think anybody had intended when writing the bill and discussing

:21:56. > :22:01.the bill the consequences of what we have seen what you have been sharing

:22:02. > :22:05.all week. But that is their job. When you write new laws come you

:22:06. > :22:10.have to look at the outcomes of peoples lives. Is very difficult and

:22:11. > :22:12.different going from theoretical to the practical. Now we have an

:22:13. > :22:17.opportunity, that is why we have written this letter, to say this is

:22:18. > :22:24.a serious problem. I know myself, my wife is a very close friend of the

:22:25. > :22:29.wife of Alan and Katie, and I had a first cousin who died in her 30s,

:22:30. > :22:31.two years after her husband died and left two young daughters to be

:22:32. > :22:37.brought up by grandparents, so I understand it. Without attacking

:22:38. > :22:41.government, but we can say the government there is a solution, and

:22:42. > :22:46.Damian Green does not have a callous or cruel bone in his body. And I

:22:47. > :22:52.think that given all of the campaigns from people, I think there

:22:53. > :22:59.may be a solution to be found. Which is? Which is to work on the

:23:00. > :23:03.children, and hopefully he will see that children are the most

:23:04. > :23:06.important, and whilst they are in education, full-time education, this

:23:07. > :23:10.can be looked at. And he has the ability with his other ministers,

:23:11. > :23:17.who I now also very well, to discuss this now. It is not finished. Even

:23:18. > :23:22.though it is law, we can give solutions. So you can extend the 18

:23:23. > :23:26.months. That is what I would like to do, and we do have 18 months, it is

:23:27. > :23:28.not something that has to be done today, because anybody who is

:23:29. > :23:35.receiving this money will continue for the next 18 months. Ben, what

:23:36. > :23:38.you think about the changes? It has been very difficult to deal with

:23:39. > :23:42.over the past couple of weeks. I was in the film that Rio Ferdinand made,

:23:43. > :23:47.and I think what people saw, white awareness is up so much is that they

:23:48. > :23:51.got a glimpse of what it is like for a family to be bereaved. Can we just

:23:52. > :23:53.play that clip, you are in the kitchen with loads of other dads and

:23:54. > :23:56.it is very moving. I remember going to my wife's

:23:57. > :24:03.funeral and everyone said, "Just be strong, you're doing

:24:04. > :24:06.so well, you're doing so well." On reflection, I thought,

:24:07. > :24:11."I'm not, I'm in shock." I was diagnosed with depression

:24:12. > :24:14.about two years in. I was struggling to be the dad

:24:15. > :24:20.that my son needed me to be. And then I realised that, actually,

:24:21. > :24:22.I was depressed before that, I was just depressed

:24:23. > :24:26.in a very active way. I got a lot of stuff done,

:24:27. > :24:46.like I was able to run a marathon, So what you as a viewer would have

:24:47. > :24:49.seen in that film is Rio eventually being able to start to talk to his

:24:50. > :24:54.children about their grief, but relief of the first time about the

:24:55. > :24:58.18 month mark, where today the support would stop. Now obviously he

:24:59. > :25:02.is a wealthy man, but before that are struggling, it is not a linear

:25:03. > :25:08.process, it is not like it ends. I think what has been happening

:25:09. > :25:11.recently is it has been very hard for other charities to get people to

:25:12. > :25:15.really care, because they have not been able to really engage. People

:25:16. > :25:18.have not been able to engage at that level and this programme has given

:25:19. > :25:21.them the opportunity to do that, and all the programming you have done

:25:22. > :25:26.this week. What we are asking for as part of this task force is for

:25:27. > :25:35.people to maintain that, social, we have created a series of videos that

:25:36. > :25:39.people can share so that people can really get an insight into what it

:25:40. > :25:42.is like. I won't speak for Georgia, she has her own very powerful story

:25:43. > :25:49.about this that we keep hearing time and time again about how actually

:25:50. > :25:53.children's grief ebbs and flows. And also as parents of grieved children,

:25:54. > :25:56.we are kind of grieving for more than one person. I find now that I

:25:57. > :26:03.am in quite a good place but my son has only just Turn. He was two and

:26:04. > :26:06.his mum was killed, he has only just got back to grips with what death

:26:07. > :26:11.is. I am struck, and one in the morning I have a very happy child

:26:12. > :26:15.that can't go to school, and then at the school gates I have a very

:26:16. > :26:20.melancholy child who feels he is the only person there who has not got a

:26:21. > :26:24.month. It is very hard to deal with. I have completely changed my life,

:26:25. > :26:26.cut my working hours, think most people need those choices that is

:26:27. > :26:31.that is what is stopping today, that choice that to continue. But I am

:26:32. > :26:35.hopeful we can make a change through this task force, because like you

:26:36. > :26:39.say, we have 18 months to make this change happen. They doesn't need to

:26:40. > :26:44.be the end and we don't want to. Georgia, hello, you had a good job

:26:45. > :26:47.with Mars, which I think you had to give up. So how would you have coped

:26:48. > :26:52.without the widowed parents allowance? I would have had to go

:26:53. > :26:57.back to work full-time. What impact would that have had? I would not

:26:58. > :27:01.have been around for my children. As I say, my husband died on the

:27:02. > :27:06.Wednesday, and then on the Thursday I found out I was pregnant with my

:27:07. > :27:11.second daughter. So with the 18 months, she would still have been a

:27:12. > :27:15.baby when I would have been having to replace my husband's income. And

:27:16. > :27:23.that is just not fair on my children. Also as Ben said about

:27:24. > :27:28.grief coming, both my children Daisy and Scarlet did not understand death

:27:29. > :27:31.until they were six or seven. I had to be available to take them to

:27:32. > :27:36.bereavement counselling, to pick them up from school, because they

:27:37. > :27:41.were scared I was not going to pick them up, because daddy had died,

:27:42. > :27:45.that might happen to me. You can't be a mum or a parent if you are not

:27:46. > :27:49.there for your children, and I could not have done that with my job. You

:27:50. > :27:54.know what the government says about this. First of all there are changes

:27:55. > :27:58.which, for example, widows, widowers who don't have children will benefit

:27:59. > :28:02.for the first time, they have increased the initial lump sum,

:28:03. > :28:07.tax-free etc. They also say it is updating a really old-fashioned

:28:08. > :28:11.system when women did not work, they would rely solely on their husband's

:28:12. > :28:16.income, and those days are gone because so many women work. What

:28:17. > :28:20.would you say to that? ?500 a month is not the second income. We're not

:28:21. > :28:27.saying it is replacing being come, it is just enabling you to go

:28:28. > :28:30.part-time to be able to be there for the -- not replacing the income. If

:28:31. > :28:35.they wanted to update it, then why are they not including parents who

:28:36. > :28:39.are not married? Last year, 50% of children were born to people who

:28:40. > :28:44.were not married. Those children are not being supported this way. This

:28:45. > :28:51.is why I say that we should concentrate on the children. That

:28:52. > :28:55.would cover that situation. I don't believe that anybody intended this,

:28:56. > :29:02.and I think that now we are in the practical situation of the law being

:29:03. > :29:06.as it is, I think that without intemperance language that

:29:07. > :29:11.government and Damian Green and his department will look at these

:29:12. > :29:14.things. As I say, all parties and groups in the Lords, the front bench

:29:15. > :29:18.from Labour, from the Liberal Democrats and the bishops, have all

:29:19. > :29:21.come in to support. There is another question this morning at 11 o'clock

:29:22. > :29:27.in the House of Lords being put down. With the right pressure,

:29:28. > :29:32.concentrating on this issue, because there are lots of issues today, but

:29:33. > :29:39.if we concentrate on this issue, I think that we have a chance of

:29:40. > :29:44.having somebody like Damien, who is empathetic, sympathetic and I think

:29:45. > :29:47.we'll look at it carefully. OK, thank you very much. We will see and

:29:48. > :29:56.we will continue to report on this. Thank you, Lord Pollock, Ben,

:29:57. > :29:57.Georgia, ten one and Sam Connor you are a star, thank you for coming on

:29:58. > :30:04.our programme. Still to come - how do

:30:05. > :30:08.you recover from failure? Lutalo Mohammed - who missed on gold

:30:09. > :30:12.by one second in the Rio Oympics - And the increasing criticism

:30:13. > :30:18.of online pharmacies. How lax standards could be

:30:19. > :30:31.compromising patient safety. The Supreme Court will rule today

:30:32. > :30:36.on whether parents can take their children

:30:37. > :30:38.on holiday in term time, It's considering the case

:30:39. > :30:42.of Jon Platt, who was given a fine of ?120 when he took his daughter

:30:43. > :30:45.away for a week on an unauthorised term-time holiday to Floriday

:30:46. > :30:49.in 2015. The White House has issued a warning

:30:50. > :30:52.to Russia over its support of the Syrian regime,

:30:53. > :30:54.following chemical attacks which killed at least 72

:30:55. > :30:56.people earlier this week. Donald Trump condemned the attacks

:30:57. > :31:00.as "an affront to humanity" - it comes ahead of his meeting

:31:01. > :31:16.with Chinese president Xi Jinping European Council president Donald

:31:17. > :31:19.Tusk will meet Theresa May in Downing Street later today. He is

:31:20. > :31:24.expected to be discussing the way ahead on Brexit, one week after he

:31:25. > :31:25.set out draft guidelines for negotiations.

:31:26. > :31:27.Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

:31:28. > :31:30.primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

:31:31. > :31:34.Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

:31:35. > :31:37.would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

:31:38. > :31:42.But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

:31:43. > :31:47.which claims the sums do not add up.

:31:48. > :31:50.The Care Quality Commission is to release critical

:31:51. > :31:52.reports into four online pharmacies in England.

:31:53. > :31:56.Concerns were raised by the CQC about all four pharmacies.

:31:57. > :31:59.One pharmacy was found to employ a clinician who wasn't registered

:32:00. > :32:08.Another pharmacy has been suspended from registered practice.

:32:09. > :32:11.A mother who went missing with her two young sons has been

:32:12. > :32:14.Samantha Baldwin was last seen with six-year-old Dylan

:32:15. > :32:16.and nine-year-old Louis in Nottingham on the

:32:17. > :32:20.Nottinghamshire Police said all three have been found

:32:21. > :32:34.That is a summary of the latest news. More at ten o'clock. Thanking

:32:35. > :32:37.you. A couple of comments on the last discussion. Emma Tweets that it

:32:38. > :32:43.is a disgrace taking money from a bereaved family. Losing a farm --

:32:44. > :32:49.parent is bad enough. Kirsty says, I hope your item will include a

:32:50. > :32:54.discussion on the fact and unmarried person receives no such benefit. My

:32:55. > :32:59.partner died in 2011 and I have not received a penny from the state,

:33:00. > :33:05.despite the fact we were considered a couple by the state when it suited

:33:06. > :33:10.them for tax credits. And my partner paid National Insurance on to. It is

:33:11. > :33:15.a disgrace. John has less sympathy. What differences there between a

:33:16. > :33:18.single-parent family and a bereaved family? Benefits can't be based on

:33:19. > :33:23.emotions but fairness. Now the sport.

:33:24. > :33:26.Good morning. A busy night in the Premier League.

:33:27. > :33:28.Chelsea manager Antonio Conte says his side need 6 wins

:33:29. > :33:31.from their last 8 games to win the Premier League.

:33:32. > :33:34.Chelsea remain seven points clear at the top of the table, after a 2-1

:33:35. > :33:36.win against Manchester City - Edin Hazard with both goals.

:33:37. > :33:41.Nearest rivals Spurs secured a late win against Swansea.

:33:42. > :33:44.At the bottom of the table, a huge win for Hull,

:33:45. > :33:46.who've now climbed out of the relegation zone

:33:47. > :33:49.They came from behind to beat relegation rivals

:33:50. > :33:57.The body which represents referees have apologised after Keith Stroud's

:33:58. > :34:00.error last night where he failed to instruct Newcastle to retake

:34:01. > :34:03.a penalty against Burton after players from both sides

:34:04. > :34:11.Stroud wrongly awarded Burton a free-kick instead.

:34:12. > :34:13.Dustin Johnson will decide later today if he's fit enough

:34:14. > :34:17.The world number one fell down the stairs of his rented home

:34:18. > :34:28.That is all these board for now. -- the sport.

:34:29. > :34:32.We'll be live at the Supreme Court shortly as they rule

:34:33. > :34:34.on whether parents can take their children on holiday

:34:35. > :34:44.This is just going to affect parents in England. It is a big deal. We

:34:45. > :34:45.will bring you that ruling when it comes in.

:34:46. > :34:49.Every single day, month after month, year after year,

:34:50. > :34:53.You are one second away from winning the gold medal.

:34:54. > :35:00.It happened to Tae Kwon Do athlete Lutaylo Muhammad last summer in Rio.

:35:01. > :35:03.Beaten in the very last second of his fight with his opponent

:35:04. > :35:05.from the Ivory Coast, he was inconsolable

:35:06. > :35:12.He broke down on TV and apologised to the nation.

:35:13. > :35:15.So how do you cope with failure, bounce back from defeat?

:35:16. > :35:18.Lutalo wanted to make a film exclusively with us as he comes

:35:19. > :35:21.to terms with life after Rio and speak to other people who've had

:35:22. > :35:26.to pick themselves up after being knocked back in life.

:35:27. > :35:30.I've been to two Olympic Games and I've won two medals

:35:31. > :35:32.for Team GB in taekwondo, A bronze and a silver,

:35:33. > :35:41.Something I've been working my entire life for.

:35:42. > :35:44.I came within a second of completing my dream...

:35:45. > :35:52.Lutalo Muhammad closes down, blocks and there is a head

:35:53. > :35:59.I'm so sorry for the people who stayed up late to

:36:00. > :36:07.How does anyone come back from devastating failure?

:36:08. > :36:10.I felt like a failure because the one job that you're

:36:11. > :36:13.meant to do is keep your child safe and protect them for

:36:14. > :36:17.I felt like a success and within literally six months,

:36:18. > :36:21.I had gone from that to putting the company into liquidation.

:36:22. > :36:32.I had a failure, but, you know, you have to move on.

:36:33. > :36:35.It has been more than six months since the games in Rio.

:36:36. > :36:40.I am back in training at GB taekwondo's base in Manchester,

:36:41. > :36:46.but looking back at the Olympic final still hurts.

:36:47. > :36:52.My friend and team-mate, Mahama Cho, was with me in the hours

:36:53. > :36:58.I remember the dying seconds because I thought

:36:59. > :37:00.there is no possible way you're going to lose this fight.

:37:01. > :37:07.He has got the gold that he has been looking for.

:37:08. > :37:11.And when it was taken away, really and truly, I could not sleep

:37:12. > :37:14.until I could actually see you to speak to you.

:37:15. > :37:19.I was literally waiting for you to get home and when you got

:37:20. > :37:25.home, I just knocked on the door to see how you was and it was sad.

:37:26. > :37:28.It felt like a stab in the heart, a little bit, because, obviously,

:37:29. > :37:31.the training you went through, the trials and tribulations to get

:37:32. > :37:35.there, the one phrase you used a lot was...

:37:36. > :37:39.Your dad told you you were actually a prime age

:37:40. > :37:52.For it to be taken away in the dying second was heartbreaking.

:37:53. > :37:55.After the Olympics, I didn't notify wanted to carry on in the sport,

:37:56. > :38:04.so I came to the sports psychologist Dr Amanda Owens.

:38:05. > :38:11.It is hard to put into words how disappointed I am,

:38:12. > :38:15.I am proud I contributed to team GB's record-breaking tally but it

:38:16. > :38:20.should have been a gold medal. Watching that now, does

:38:21. > :38:22.all the raw emotion come back? Can't watch that without feeling

:38:23. > :38:32.those same emotions. It's tough to watch because it

:38:33. > :38:39.takes me back there, that feeling of devastation,

:38:40. > :38:43.that feeling of, I've come so close to accomplishing what was my life

:38:44. > :38:49.goal and to have it snatched away, literally at the last

:38:50. > :38:54.second, it is tough. How long did it take you to deal

:38:55. > :38:58.with and accept that you came this What have you learned

:38:59. > :39:07.from this experience? It taught me, I think,

:39:08. > :39:13.a lot about myself. The next day waking up having to do

:39:14. > :39:23.the media, the interviews. It was therapeutic in a way

:39:24. > :39:26.because I was getting to talk But admittedly, the good times

:39:27. > :39:35.really came when I got off the plane You come out of the

:39:36. > :39:42.whole Olympic bubble. You have no idea what

:39:43. > :39:45.is going on back home. To receive the reception I received

:39:46. > :39:47.from the British public I want them to cry

:39:48. > :39:58.tears of joy next time. Someone whose failures

:39:59. > :40:01.than successes have been lived out in the public eye for decades

:40:02. > :40:06.is businessman Lord Sugar. Who better to come to for

:40:07. > :40:11.advice on moving on? There was a time in the computer

:40:12. > :40:16.industry where we were king of the computer market in Europe

:40:17. > :40:21.and we made a bad range of products that had technical faults on them

:40:22. > :40:25.and we struggle to the understand In that period of time,

:40:26. > :40:31.we dropped from the darlings of the computer industry down

:40:32. > :40:34.to virtually zero. That was a very, very tough time,

:40:35. > :40:41.very, very tough time. From making profits of ?160 million

:40:42. > :40:46.a year to losses of 70 million. My personal experience, I lost

:40:47. > :40:55.at the Olympics in the last second. One of the hardest things

:40:56. > :40:58.to deal with was knowing In your experience, how

:40:59. > :41:02.do you deal with that? Failure or something that went

:41:03. > :41:10.wrong, it is not a good thing. It was not a nice time,

:41:11. > :41:16.but you just have to deal with it. You can't deal with it by arguing

:41:17. > :41:22.against it or making excuses I had a failure and people talked

:41:23. > :41:36.about my failure and all that stuff. But, you know, you have to move

:41:37. > :41:39.on until you get your next product in the marketplace,

:41:40. > :41:43.like our satellite dishes, and then suddenly, everything

:41:44. > :41:45.else was forgotten. Do you think it helps

:41:46. > :41:51.you in any way? It helped in the sense that

:41:52. > :41:54.you take no notice of it and it is like the old thing,

:41:55. > :41:57.it is like yesterday's Our cousins in America have got

:41:58. > :42:03.a new president who does not seem to have learnt that lesson

:42:04. > :42:05.which I am absolutely He seems to react to every bit

:42:06. > :42:12.of criticism that is thrown at him whereas he should not,

:42:13. > :42:15.really, he should just let it So, all I have to do

:42:16. > :42:22.is win that gold medal But for some people,

:42:23. > :42:31.feeling like a failure can have more damaging consequences

:42:32. > :42:34.than Olympic silver medal. This is the furniture

:42:35. > :42:38.that I used to import. Naomi Gilmore ran a garden furniture

:42:39. > :42:42.company worth almost ?1 million. Until suddenly, things

:42:43. > :42:45.started going wrong. I think my lowest point

:42:46. > :42:47.came about six months I remember going to see my bank

:42:48. > :42:54.manager, turned over nearly ?1 million in business,

:42:55. > :42:57.I really thought I had made it. I had a team of staff,

:42:58. > :43:00.premises everything seemed to be I remember sitting there,

:43:01. > :43:05.just couldn't believe that I had made it all and I had

:43:06. > :43:10.created this growth. Within a six-month period,

:43:11. > :43:15.to go from that to literally bailiffs knocking on my door one

:43:16. > :43:18.night to come and take my car away. My kids were just about to go to bed

:43:19. > :43:22.and they were just screaming and devastated and I sat

:43:23. > :43:25.on the kitchen floor and to be honest just felt like my soul

:43:26. > :43:28.had been ripped out. It was just kind of like,

:43:29. > :43:31.I can't get my kids to school, I've let them down, and I just felt

:43:32. > :43:34.like a huge failure. Did you feel like a failure

:43:35. > :43:37.because you felt like you had let Then I think I went into people

:43:38. > :43:53.judging the mode and felt quite scared wanted to hide away and just

:43:54. > :44:12.pretend it was not all happening. Paloma Thompson has two

:44:13. > :44:17.healthy happy boys. But Winter was born premature

:44:18. > :44:24.and has some learning difficulties. For a long time, Paloma felt

:44:25. > :44:33.like this was her fault. I felt like a failure

:44:34. > :44:36.because I think when you are pregnant one job that you meant

:44:37. > :44:39.to do is keep your child safe and protect them for the full nine

:44:40. > :44:43.months so that they are born on time and there wasn't any medical reason

:44:44. > :44:46.or issue with him or myself Just my body let him down

:44:47. > :44:51.and I failed to do my When you see that tiny body,

:44:52. > :44:58.no bigger than your hand, He had a cannula in his leg

:44:59. > :45:07.for antibiotics, he had a cannula drip in his umbilical

:45:08. > :45:10.cord for caffeine. All wires to monitor blood pressure,

:45:11. > :45:17.pulse, oxygen levels, and then the UV lamp

:45:18. > :45:20.for the jaundice. He is inside the incubator

:45:21. > :45:23.and you cannot touch him, you cannot cuddle him,

:45:24. > :45:28.say everything is going to be OK. It is just a really awful feeling

:45:29. > :45:32.that I've let my child down and now he has had to start life

:45:33. > :45:36.in a really difficult place. Definitely for the first year

:45:37. > :45:45.of his life and I found it really difficult to talk to people about it

:45:46. > :45:48.as well because there was always this sense of you just need to try

:45:49. > :45:52.and be happy and concentrate It is not really about him being OK

:45:53. > :45:58.and happy, it is more about I feel So how did Naomi and Paloma overcome

:45:59. > :46:09.feeling like failures? Naomi now runs an online

:46:10. > :46:12.marketing company. In those days, I think

:46:13. > :46:15.it was all about turnover and money and premises

:46:16. > :46:19.and growing the business. I think now very much

:46:20. > :46:22.I have a successful business but I have a lot of balance

:46:23. > :46:24.in my life. I am a single mum, I have two girls,

:46:25. > :46:28.I adore my girls and I am able to work and have success at work

:46:29. > :46:31.but I am also a success I really feel that I do have

:46:32. > :46:37.that balance in my life. I absolutely don't feel

:46:38. > :46:41.like a failure now. I certainly did feel

:46:42. > :46:44.like a failure at the time but now Around that time, I felt judged

:46:45. > :46:48.and now I don't feel judged. It is really about me

:46:49. > :46:51.focusing on my own stuff, the stuff I love, in terms of me

:46:52. > :46:54.achieving my own success, Paloma was diagnosed with a form

:46:55. > :47:04.of postnatal depression and has She has also joined a group of mums

:47:05. > :47:10.with similar feelings. What is your relationship

:47:11. > :47:12.like with your children now? It is strange now when I look

:47:13. > :47:21.at Winter and to think that at one point I just felt like I had no

:47:22. > :47:24.connection with him because I didn't feel like I was worthy

:47:25. > :47:27.of being his mum because I felt I have been lucky to reach

:47:28. > :47:36.the top of my sport, but the higher you get,

:47:37. > :47:44.the further the fall. It took me a while to appreciate

:47:45. > :47:47.silver but now I can look back Bring on the 2020 Games in Tokyo,

:47:48. > :48:06.where my next medal will be gold. And Lutalo will be here with me

:48:07. > :48:17.in the studio just after 10.30. Really, really interested to you to

:48:18. > :48:20.give me your own stories of how you bounced back from a disappointment

:48:21. > :48:27.or a failure, whatever it may be, and we will feed that into the

:48:28. > :48:30.conversation with Lutalo Muhammad after ten past ten. Inside the

:48:31. > :48:35.Supreme Court right now, we have judges who are delivering their

:48:36. > :48:39.ruling in the case of dared John Platt, who is arguing it is not

:48:40. > :48:44.illegal if he takes his daughter out of school in term time. This is a

:48:45. > :48:47.really significant case, it will affect parents in England, they are

:48:48. > :48:52.going for the judgment now which means any second now we will find

:48:53. > :48:56.out if dad John Platt has won or lost. As soon as we know for sure,

:48:57. > :49:00.because they build up to it, these judges, they know how to create a

:49:01. > :49:01.sense of drama. It means we may interrupt our next, session, which

:49:02. > :49:05.is about online pharmacies. A number of online pharmacies

:49:06. > :49:07.in England have been criticised for lax standards that

:49:08. > :49:09.could compromise patient safety. The official health watchdog,

:49:10. > :49:11.the Care Quality Commission, has called for improvements at four

:49:12. > :49:14.providers, after finding a number of shortcomings, including

:49:15. > :49:15.prescriptions approved without enough checks

:49:16. > :49:16.into patient history, a lack of communication

:49:17. > :49:18.with the patient's GP, and large volumes of asthma

:49:19. > :49:20.inhalers dispensed at once. Faye Kirkland is a working GP

:49:21. > :49:31.and one of our health reporters. So, how do the online 's sites offer

:49:32. > :49:35.it? Mostly patients go in and fill in a simple online form, you ask

:49:36. > :49:37.basic questions like your date of birth, how much you weigh, you'll

:49:38. > :49:42.blood pressure, and that gets reviewed by a doctor. And then they

:49:43. > :49:46.decide whether to prescribe, based on that information. There are also

:49:47. > :49:51.sites that offer Skype and mobile apps as well. How are they

:49:52. > :49:54.regulated? By the Care Quality Commission in England, and last

:49:55. > :49:59.month they produced clear outlines of what they should expect when they

:50:00. > :50:03.are inspected by them. But in the different parts of the UK there are

:50:04. > :50:08.different regulators. So they are inspected in a slightly different

:50:09. > :50:11.way. Any concerns about that? The Royal pharmaceutical Society is

:50:12. > :50:16.rarely concerned about that, because England is the only place where

:50:17. > :50:20.there are clear standards for online providers. Theoretically providers

:50:21. > :50:25.could move their headquarters to the other parts of the UK and not be

:50:26. > :50:30.inspected so robustly. What should be but watch out for if they are

:50:31. > :50:38.buying online? It is difficult. The CQC sale or where the site is

:50:39. > :50:41.registered, do they have a CQC logo? They say if you're going to buy

:50:42. > :50:45.online, do it with caution, make sure you know the risks and benefits

:50:46. > :50:47.of anything that you buy. Thank you very much.

:50:48. > :50:50.Let's talk now to Professor Steve Field, the Chief Inspector

:50:51. > :50:52.of General Practice at the Care Quality Commission.

:50:53. > :50:54.Helen Webbereley is a GP who works for two of the sites

:50:55. > :50:58.Stuart Gale is the Managing Director of Frosts Pharmacy Ltd,

:50:59. > :51:00.which operates the Oxford Online Pharmacy, another company

:51:01. > :51:10.Welcome all of you. We may interrupt for some breaking news from the

:51:11. > :51:14.Supreme Court, so I apologise in advance in case we do. Professor

:51:15. > :51:19.Field, thank you for talking to us, it is the first time the CQC, your

:51:20. > :51:26.organisation, has inspected these websites. Why do it now, what has

:51:27. > :51:29.pumped of this? I am a GPS ball is being chief inspector of general

:51:30. > :51:35.practice, this is part of our ongoing programme in of regulating

:51:36. > :51:38.any -- what has prompted this. Regulating any provider, whether

:51:39. > :51:41.health or social care. We have just completed our programme of all

:51:42. > :51:49.general practices in England, and we are looking at online providers.

:51:50. > :51:57.What worries you most? We found that so far we have issued six reports.

:51:58. > :51:59.At times, these providers are not prescribing appropriately. There are

:52:00. > :52:04.not the basic checks to make sure the patient they providing for is

:52:05. > :52:09.that patient. They are not taking a comp rancid medical history,

:52:10. > :52:14.including what other this patients are on. I as a GP chief inspector

:52:15. > :52:19.would expect that the standards are the same as if you went into a

:52:20. > :52:24.general practice anywhere inning on. The point that Faye raised, if

:52:25. > :52:28.somebody, or if you suspend a website operating out of England,

:52:29. > :52:34.what is to stop the website popping up in Scotland, Wales, except? Faye

:52:35. > :52:39.has been great at highlighting these issues and she is absolute right. I

:52:40. > :52:45.am responsible, and CQC, the regulator, is responsible for sites

:52:46. > :52:48.in England for patients in England. We are aware of sites that are

:52:49. > :52:53.operating outside England, and patients can access prescriptions

:52:54. > :52:58.that way as well. So we are meeting with the other regulators within the

:52:59. > :53:02.UK, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and we are communicating

:53:03. > :53:06.with others in Europe and elsewhere. So we are trying to pass information

:53:07. > :53:12.on. Helen Weatherly, thank you for coming on, your roles of the online

:53:13. > :53:15.surgery and the online Oxford pharmacy. Professor Philip is not

:53:16. > :53:19.report says that when patients were requested prescriptions of the

:53:20. > :53:22.online surgery it took as little as 17 seconds for prescriptions to be

:53:23. > :53:26.approved. That can't be right, can it? We need to look at this very

:53:27. > :53:30.clear. We reviewed all of the patient still with on the online

:53:31. > :53:34.surgery. The 17 second one that seems to have hit the highlight is a

:53:35. > :53:46.repeat prescription, so actually, I am an NHS discussion as well, -- NHS

:53:47. > :53:50.GP as well, it is the same there. So no checks are needed for a repeat

:53:51. > :53:53.perception? Online I would argue it is safer, because I have a computer

:53:54. > :53:57.screen that shows me a full medical history, all of the medication that

:53:58. > :54:00.person is taking and it is completely up-to-date because they

:54:01. > :54:04.have just given me that information. Whereas in a GP surgery they are six

:54:05. > :54:09.months old. You are saying you can do a repeat description in 17

:54:10. > :54:14.seconds having checked the patient was like medical history? Yes. I

:54:15. > :54:18.would never prescribe anything that was not safe, but there are

:54:19. > :54:23.instances where you can check that a repeat medication is safe for

:54:24. > :54:27.somebody in the 17 seconds that they are bandying about the moment. It is

:54:28. > :54:34.not bandying about, it happens, and you say it is fine. On the case that

:54:35. > :54:38.I examined, that retreat Di repeat prescription was fine. And actually,

:54:39. > :54:43.Victoria, if you look of the patient that used the services, we have a

:54:44. > :54:47.delighted cohort of patients. There has never been an instance of any

:54:48. > :54:54.harm coming to patients. Still, you have been criticised by this CQC,

:54:55. > :54:57.two of the site you work for. Stuart Gale, the CQC found that frost

:54:58. > :55:00.pharmacy Ltd was prescribing large quantities of inhalers for asthma

:55:01. > :55:03.without checking if the patient was my condition was either out of

:55:04. > :55:09.control or if a diagnosis has been confirmed. The CQC has issued you

:55:10. > :55:15.with warning notices about that, is that fair enough? Absolutely, yes.

:55:16. > :55:19.Why was it happening? We were talking about probably five to ten

:55:20. > :55:24.patients that have had more inhalers than would be normally appropriate

:55:25. > :55:31.in an NHS setting. So we have spoken to these patients, and actually they

:55:32. > :55:36.want convenience. 45% of them... You didn't know if some of them had

:55:37. > :55:44.asthma. Yes, we did, because that was part of the process, we would

:55:45. > :55:48.know that they had asthma, 78% of them had had an annual asthma review

:55:49. > :55:53.with their own GP, but 45% of them could not get into their GP. See why

:55:54. > :55:57.saying it is all right, so I am wondering why the CQC issued you

:55:58. > :56:01.with warning notices if everything is fine? We are a stream they have

:56:02. > :56:05.you with the CQC doing this because ultimately safety is another one

:56:06. > :56:09.priorities and we have no argument with the CQC. We think the whole

:56:10. > :56:13.process was excellent, our inspectors were very thorough. You

:56:14. > :56:18.are glad to be issued with warning notices. Threw to be inspected and

:56:19. > :56:21.given the chance to improve. I am going to pause there, as inspected,

:56:22. > :56:26.we have the roaring from the Supreme Court but I am very grateful for

:56:27. > :56:29.your time. -- the ruling. John Platt, the dad who took this case to

:56:30. > :56:35.court, it affects parents in England. He argued, and it has gone

:56:36. > :56:39.to the highest court in the land, he argued that parents were not

:56:40. > :56:43.breaking the law when they took their children out of school during

:56:44. > :56:48.term time. John Platt has lost his case, that is the breaking news in

:56:49. > :56:52.the last minute. John Platt has lost his case in the Supreme Court, it

:56:53. > :56:55.means local authorities can continue to find parents who take their

:56:56. > :57:02.children out of school. Let's go live -- can continue to fined

:57:03. > :57:06.parents. They will be breaking the law, parents who do this?

:57:07. > :57:10.Absolutely. This is a ruling that will upset a lot of parents. It will

:57:11. > :57:14.delight schools and local authorities, because it is

:57:15. > :57:19.absolutely crystal clear. This case was all about what amounts to

:57:20. > :57:24.regular attendance at a school, and in the court below, John Platt had

:57:25. > :57:30.argued successfully that because his daughter generally had a very good

:57:31. > :57:33.attendance record, over 90%, he argued that she was regularly

:57:34. > :57:39.attending school. Even if he was to take her out of school for a whole

:57:40. > :57:42.week of holiday. Lady Hale who gave the judgment of the court

:57:43. > :57:46.effectively drove a coach and horses through that. What she said is that

:57:47. > :57:51.there are two protect the re-interpretations of what regular

:57:52. > :57:56.attendance means, it either means sufficiently frequently on the one

:57:57. > :57:59.hand, which is how John Platt had argued it in the courts below and

:58:00. > :58:03.how it had been interpreted in the courts below, or it means in

:58:04. > :58:07.accordance with the school's attendance policy, and she came down

:58:08. > :58:12.very firmly in favour of interpreting it in that way, that

:58:13. > :58:15.regular attendance means in accordance with the school's

:58:16. > :58:23.attendance policy, and most schools of course will have a 100%

:58:24. > :58:26.attendance policy. She said that unauthorised absences have a

:58:27. > :58:29.disruptive effect not only on the education of the individual child

:58:30. > :58:34.but also on the work of other pupils and their teachers. If one pupil can

:58:35. > :58:39.be taken out whenever it suits the parents, then so can others. She

:58:40. > :58:42.said different pupils may be taken out at different times, multiplying

:58:43. > :58:47.the disruptive effect. Any education system expects people to come and

:58:48. > :58:50.keep to the rules. Not to do so is unfair to those obedient parents who

:58:51. > :58:56.do keep to the rules, whatever the cost or inconvenience to themselves.

:58:57. > :59:00.So this is a very, firm very ruling from the Supreme Court that you must

:59:01. > :59:03.obey the attendance rules of the school that your child goes to, and

:59:04. > :59:07.if they say you cannot take your child out for a week's holiday, two

:59:08. > :59:12.weeks holiday, then you can't do that without risking having a fine,

:59:13. > :59:20.and if you don't pay that Tamme one, being prosecuted. -- that fine,

:59:21. > :59:24.being prosecuted. John Platt's case will now go back to the Magistrates'

:59:25. > :59:27.Court and he will have two face this charge of failing to secure the

:59:28. > :59:34.regular attendance of his daughter at school. It is a unanimous

:59:35. > :59:38.judgment of all five justices, you must obey the schools on attendance.

:59:39. > :59:41.We will be back with you after the news and sport to get reaction,

:59:42. > :59:44.because you may be able to speak to John Platt, as he emerges from the

:59:45. > :59:50.Supreme Court, because he was therefore that ruling. Your reaction

:59:51. > :59:53.welcome. If you are a parent of children, whether you have taken

:59:54. > :59:57.them out of school in term time for a holiday or not, what is your

:59:58. > :59:59.reaction to this very significant ruling? Let me know. It is ten

:00:00. > :00:05.o'clock, iambic Tory adoption. Within the past few minutes,

:00:06. > :00:07.the Supreme Court has ruled that Jon Platt,

:00:08. > :00:10.the father who took his daughter out of school to go on holiday,

:00:11. > :00:21.should NOT have done so. Unauthorised absences have a

:00:22. > :00:24.disruptive effect, not only on the education of the individual child,

:00:25. > :00:27.but also on the work of other pupils and their teachers.

:00:28. > :00:30.In his first British TV interview, we'll be speaking to Dallas,

:00:31. > :00:33.the son of Kurt Cochran - who was killed in the Westminster

:00:34. > :00:39.You can see the full interview later - as he's told us he doesn't

:00:40. > :00:42.want to think about the terrorist who carried out the attack.

:00:43. > :00:50.I have seen little pictures here and there but I have chosen to avoid

:00:51. > :00:53.looking into whatever his story was. It's not going to help me any

:00:54. > :00:55.knowing who it was or why he did it. Also - we'll be speaking

:00:56. > :00:57.to Lutalo Mohammad - who missed out on gold by one second

:00:58. > :01:00.at the Rio Olympics. He's been finding out about turning

:01:01. > :01:14.failure into success. I won two Medels 13 J.B. In tae kwon

:01:15. > :01:19.do. -- Team GB. They are not the ones I wanted.

:01:20. > :01:30.In the last few minutes, the father who refused to pay a fine after

:01:31. > :01:35.taking his daughter out of school for a non-authorised holiday, has

:01:36. > :01:39.lost his case at the Supreme Court. Jon Platt was fined when he took his

:01:40. > :01:43.daughter away for a week in Florida during term time. He refused to pay

:01:44. > :01:51.because he said his daughter's attendance record was very good. The

:01:52. > :01:55.Supreme Court has overturned a High Court judgment, saying it was

:01:56. > :01:59.disruptive to children's education to take them out of school.

:02:00. > :02:04.Unauthorised absences have a disruptive effect. Not only on the

:02:05. > :02:10.education of the individual child, but also on the work of other pupils

:02:11. > :02:14.and of their teachers. If one pupil can be taken out whenever it suits

:02:15. > :02:20.the parent, then so can others. Different pupils might be taken out

:02:21. > :02:24.at different times, multiplying the disruptive effect. Any educational

:02:25. > :02:29.system expects people to keep the rules. Not to do so is unfair to

:02:30. > :02:34.those obedient parents who do keep the rules, whatever the cost or

:02:35. > :02:39.inconvenience to themselves. We will be getting more on that

:02:40. > :02:41.ruling shortly. We are expecting to hear the reaction of Jon Platt and

:02:42. > :02:45.more detail from Clive Coleman. The European Council President,

:02:46. > :02:56.Donald Tusk, will meet Theresa May They are expected to discuss the

:02:57. > :02:57.UK's exit from the European Union a week after Mr Tusk said the

:02:58. > :02:59.guidelines for negotiations. The White House has issued a warning

:03:00. > :03:02.to Russia over its support of the Syrian regime,

:03:03. > :03:04.following the deaths of at least 72 people in what's believed

:03:05. > :03:06.to be a chemical attack. President Trump condemned the deaths

:03:07. > :03:09.as "an affront to humanity". His comments come ahead

:03:10. > :03:11.of his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping in Florida

:03:12. > :03:16.today. A mother who went missing

:03:17. > :03:19.with her two young sons has been Samantha Baldwin was last seen

:03:20. > :03:21.with six-year-old Dylan and nine-year-old Louis

:03:22. > :03:23.in Nottingham on the Nottinghamshire Police say

:03:24. > :03:27.all three have been found, Labour says if it wins the next

:03:28. > :03:35.election, it'll provide every primary school pupil in England

:03:36. > :03:38.with a free school meal, by charging Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning

:03:39. > :03:41.that a Labour government would invest in schools to ensure no

:03:42. > :03:44.child is held back because But the move has been criticised

:03:45. > :03:51.by the Independent Schools Council, which claims the sums

:03:52. > :03:58.do not add up. Pepsi has pulled its controversial

:03:59. > :04:00.new advert starring Kendall Jenner, after criticism that it was trying

:04:01. > :04:02.to commercialise protest movements The company received thousands

:04:03. > :04:06.of complaints about the tone and the content of the advert,

:04:07. > :04:08.in which Jenner joins a demonstration and gives

:04:09. > :04:10.a can of the soft drink Pepsi says it was trying to project

:04:11. > :04:14.a "global message of unity, peace and understanding",

:04:15. > :04:34.and apologised for, in its words, More at 10:30am. Good morning. Let's

:04:35. > :04:41.go straight back to the Supreme Court, and Clive Coleman. Tell us

:04:42. > :04:44.about the significant ruling? It is really significant because we know

:04:45. > :04:48.that parents hate the fact that if they take their children on holiday

:04:49. > :04:53.during the school holidays, they often have to pay for Morford doing

:04:54. > :04:58.it because prices are higher. And so many parents like to take their

:04:59. > :05:01.children away for a week or two weeks during the school year during

:05:02. > :05:07.term time, to pay the reduced prices. This case has made that

:05:08. > :05:12.very, very difficult. What this case says this morning is basically you

:05:13. > :05:16.must obey the school rules, because it is an offence, a criminal

:05:17. > :05:21.offence, for a parent to fail to secure the regular attendance of

:05:22. > :05:24.their child at school. That is what this case was all about. Jon Platt

:05:25. > :05:31.took his daughter out of school for a week. And in the courts below he

:05:32. > :05:35.could argue that even though he had done that, she was still attending

:05:36. > :05:39.school regularly. If you look at her attendance record over the course of

:05:40. > :05:43.a lengthy period, she had a very good attendance record, even with

:05:44. > :05:46.the holiday time taken out. It was more than 90%. Therefore, he had not

:05:47. > :05:51.failed to secure a regular attendance at school. Lady Hale look

:05:52. > :05:55.that that this morning and she effectively rubbished that the fans.

:05:56. > :05:57.She said there were two interpretations of what regular

:05:58. > :06:03.attendance could mean. It could either mean sufficiently frequently,

:06:04. > :06:07.or it could mean in accordance with the school rules. She said it simply

:06:08. > :06:10.couldn't mean sufficiently frequently because that would give

:06:11. > :06:14.parents too much freedom to take their child out of school. If one

:06:15. > :06:19.child was taken out at one time and another at another, it causes mayhem

:06:20. > :06:23.within the school system. So what regular attendance must mean is that

:06:24. > :06:28.it is in accordance with the school rules. Most schools will have a 100%

:06:29. > :06:31.attendance policy. The effect of that is that parents will have to

:06:32. > :06:35.bite the bullet. They will have to pay for those more expensive

:06:36. > :06:39.holidays during the school holiday period. And if they don't and take

:06:40. > :06:44.their children out of school during term time, they will have to face

:06:45. > :06:50.the consequences, which are fines. If they fail to pay the fines, they

:06:51. > :06:54.will be prosecuted. In addition to that, John Platt will have his case

:06:55. > :07:00.sent back to the magistrates court, where he will be found guilty of the

:07:01. > :07:04.offence unless he can come within one of three very limited statutory

:07:05. > :07:09.exceptions. And they really are simply whether the child was sick,

:07:10. > :07:14.whether there is a religious reason for the absence, or whether the

:07:15. > :07:20.child is sufficiently far from the school.

:07:21. > :07:23.I think Jon Platt is coming out. They have all been outstanding

:07:24. > :07:27.advocates and I cannot thank them enough for their work in this case

:07:28. > :07:32.over the last two years. Karen Wilkinson, who is here today, who

:07:33. > :07:36.campaigned on this issue for years, long before I got a penalty notice.

:07:37. > :07:42.Thank you for your support and hard work. Thank you for the people that

:07:43. > :07:50.is the people who sent messages of support and to the schoolteacher who

:07:51. > :07:54.has helped me help parents in the same situation. Thank you to my

:07:55. > :07:59.family who have had to put up with two years of this because I was too

:08:00. > :08:04.stubborn to pay a penalty notice. My wife Sally has had to but with this

:08:05. > :08:08.lunacy. As you all just heard, he Supreme Court has just reversed

:08:09. > :08:13.decades of judicial precedent. They didn't just say the High Court judge

:08:14. > :08:17.who heard my case, Lord Jones, misinterpreted the law. They have

:08:18. > :08:24.concluded that the earlier High Court decision from 2006, and one

:08:25. > :08:28.from 1969, were also wrong in their interpretation of the law and they

:08:29. > :08:33.should no longer be followed. Be in no doubt, despite the judgment, I

:08:34. > :08:39.followed the law precisely, as laid down and interpreted by High Court

:08:40. > :08:43.judges in two different cases from 69 and 2006. They told me that to

:08:44. > :08:48.attend regularly was to attend very frequently. So I decided not to pay

:08:49. > :08:52.a ?60 penalty notice because my daughter had otherwise perfect

:08:53. > :08:59.attendance at school. The decision of those High Court judges in 1969

:09:00. > :09:02.and 2006 that decision. But here I stand outside the Supreme Court

:09:03. > :09:07.having just been told I was wrong to rely on the decision doubles High

:09:08. > :09:10.Court judges, to guide me on law. With this judgment, those precedents

:09:11. > :09:16.have been swept away and the consequences can only be described

:09:17. > :09:20.as shocking. To attend regularly no longer means to attend frequently.

:09:21. > :09:26.It now means to attend on all the days and all the times that the

:09:27. > :09:29.school requires it, every un-authorised absence, including

:09:30. > :09:35.being a minute late to school, is now a criminal offence. If you share

:09:36. > :09:41.custody of your child, as I do, with a former partner, and they are

:09:42. > :09:46.linked to school holiday you don't have them, you are liable under a

:09:47. > :09:52.criminal offence. If you decide to keep a child of school for a day

:09:53. > :09:56.because you are their parent, you can no longer do that because if the

:09:57. > :09:59.head teacher second guess is you and marks it as unauthorised, you have

:10:00. > :10:05.committed a criminal offence. The issue is no longer if ever it was,

:10:06. > :10:08.but term time holidays. It is about the state taking the rights of

:10:09. > :10:12.parents away when it comes to making decisions about their children. Many

:10:13. > :10:19.of you might have thought, given in 2015 when I took my family on this

:10:20. > :10:22.term time holiday, as I was at that time following the law as laid down

:10:23. > :10:26.by several High Court judges, that it would be grossly unfair to

:10:27. > :10:31.retrospectively criminalise me. That was very nearly not the case. What

:10:32. > :10:34.some of you in the press who have had the briefing this morning did

:10:35. > :10:40.not know, was that the first draft of this judgment was sent to the

:10:41. > :10:43.magistrates court with a direct instruction to conflict. There were

:10:44. > :10:46.not prepared to give me a trial. This case stopped at half-time

:10:47. > :10:50.because the magistrates said I had no case to answer. But the Supreme

:10:51. > :10:53.Court were prepared to send this back with a direction to convicted

:10:54. > :10:59.onto my barristers pointed out they could not do that. This case now has

:11:00. > :11:03.to go back to the Isle of Wight magistrates to start all over again.

:11:04. > :11:07.I can tell you, I have absolutely no intention of pleading guilty to this

:11:08. > :11:10.offence when it goes back to the magistrates court. Deterrence all

:11:11. > :11:15.over England I say this. The legal battle is now over. There is no

:11:16. > :11:20.right of appeal beyond this place. It will be a generation or more

:11:21. > :11:23.before this court revisits this decision, if ever it goes. You can

:11:24. > :11:27.no longer make a decision to take your child out of school, even for

:11:28. > :11:32.one morning, without the permission of the state. That does not mean

:11:33. > :11:36.this is the end of the matter. Petitions have been signed by

:11:37. > :11:38.hundreds of thousands of parents, Parliament has debated this issue

:11:39. > :11:43.multiple times and nothing has changed. So I would urge each and

:11:44. > :11:46.every parent and grandparents that finds the consequences of this

:11:47. > :11:51.judgment to be utterly shocking, as I do, to vote on the 4th of May in

:11:52. > :11:54.the local elections. They are not being held everywhere in England but

:11:55. > :12:02.they are being held in a lot of places. Vote to remove people like

:12:03. > :12:05.Colin Noble, the head of Suffolk County Council, the Conservative

:12:06. > :12:09.leader of Suffolk County Council. They have issued more penalty

:12:10. > :12:13.notices than any other local authority in the country. I think

:12:14. > :12:18.parents need to say what they think about that on the 4th of May. If

:12:19. > :12:21.enough parents bothered to vote on the 4th of May and remove people who

:12:22. > :12:26.have been doing this, something will happen. Something will change. The

:12:27. > :12:29.government will pass legislation to mitigate the effects of what is

:12:30. > :12:33.happening. Jon Platt there. He is clearly

:12:34. > :12:37.really cross about the ruling this morning. Reaction from you. Anita

:12:38. > :12:42.says public schools have more holiday than state schools and are

:12:43. > :12:46.not subject to the same regulations. Ian says it is disgusting that Jon

:12:47. > :12:53.Platt has lost his case. Schools on the care because absence affects

:12:54. > :13:00.their funding. Declan says, I would still rather pay a ?200 fine than an

:13:01. > :13:09.extra ?1000 on a holiday. And so it goes on. A few people taking a pop

:13:10. > :13:18.at teacher training days. Let me introduce you to Jon Platt's lawyer.

:13:19. > :13:21.Catherina Scott-Hart, who was fined for taking her

:13:22. > :13:23.children Amelie and Lewis out of school for four days.

:13:24. > :13:26.In Middlesborough, Dominique Holding was fined ?200 for taking her two

:13:27. > :13:29.children to see their relatives in Turkey during the school term.

:13:30. > :13:31.And Patsy Kane, who is a firm believe in school fines

:13:32. > :13:33.and is the executive headteacher at three second schools

:13:34. > :13:38.As Jon Platt's lawyer, we could hear the -- clearly hear his passion, his

:13:39. > :13:41.anger. He is going back to a magistrates court where he will

:13:42. > :13:44.plead not guilty. There will not be a trial in the Crown Court because

:13:45. > :13:47.it is not the kind of offence that the crown court hears. What is the

:13:48. > :13:50.point of him doing that? To be frank, I have not had a detailed

:13:51. > :13:54.discussion with him about his defence. I think Lady Hale has made

:13:55. > :13:57.it clear that the Army as open to him the statutory defences. I think

:13:58. > :14:02.one of the defences he might be arguing is to do with the distance

:14:03. > :14:08.of the child to the school. That is not something outspoken in detail

:14:09. > :14:11.about. What is your reaction to his defeat? I wasn't surprised by losing

:14:12. > :14:17.the case, judging by how it went in the Supreme Court. My reaction is I

:14:18. > :14:22.suppose it gives certainty, so people know where they stand. One of

:14:23. > :14:25.Lady Hale's big points was that the law as it currently stands, or stood

:14:26. > :14:30.before this, was that magistrates would have to decide what was

:14:31. > :14:33.regular and what was not. The Supreme Court were anxious to find

:14:34. > :14:39.certainty. But I suppose the flip side of that now is that she has

:14:40. > :14:43.said that regularly means in accordance with the rules prescribed

:14:44. > :14:48.by the school. So any breach in attendance all those rules will mean

:14:49. > :14:52.that the parent has potentially committed an offence.

:14:53. > :14:56.Dominic Holding, now we have had this ruling, you have been fined in

:14:57. > :15:02.the past are taking your children out. Would it stop you doing it

:15:03. > :15:07.again? I have not taken them out since I got fined in the first

:15:08. > :15:22.place. It would depend on the cost of a holiday, if I'm honest. Rather

:15:23. > :15:27.than breaking the law? Absolutely. Who is to tell me what I can and

:15:28. > :15:30.can't do with my children? So if the holiday was cheap enough in term

:15:31. > :15:41.time, you would rather break the law and pay the ?200 fine? Absolutely.

:15:42. > :15:47.Let me bring in Patsy Kane, would you said to Dominic Holden? I am

:15:48. > :15:51.absolutely delighted and pleased and feel supported that the state, in

:15:52. > :15:55.terms of the highest court in the land, has agreed that attendance at

:15:56. > :16:00.school is absolutely vital, and I'm sure the vast majority of parents

:16:01. > :16:04.respect the work of schools, primaries and high schools, across

:16:05. > :16:08.the country, and are also very pleased that their work is

:16:09. > :16:13.respected, and it is valued. What would you say to Dominique Holding,

:16:14. > :16:17.doesn't matter what this ruling is, what she was to look at is the cost

:16:18. > :16:22.of a holiday and if it is way cheaper in term time she will still

:16:23. > :16:25.take their children out of school? As educators we would talk and

:16:26. > :16:29.explain to parents by every single day in school matters. The

:16:30. > :16:32.curriculum has been extended and enriched, it is more challenging and

:16:33. > :16:36.every single day really does matter and a whole week out of school is

:16:37. > :16:41.several hours that you miss of your maths education, your English,

:16:42. > :16:44.science, primary schools have several hours of English and maths,

:16:45. > :16:50.they do that every single day, and you are missing whole lessons that

:16:51. > :16:53.that child will never get back. So this ruling protects the education

:16:54. > :16:58.of young children. Dominique, how would you respond to Patsy? The

:16:59. > :17:02.thing you are pointing out is the hours in a day that you school fees

:17:03. > :17:07.children, yet if I was to take my child out of school and home school

:17:08. > :17:12.my children, I am not required to school them for six, seven, eight or

:17:13. > :17:23.nine hours a day for five days over 40 weeks of the year, is it? So how

:17:24. > :17:26.can you justify a child sitting for six hours a day, schooling, compared

:17:27. > :17:33.to if I home-schooled, and scored for three hours a day? Dominique, it

:17:34. > :17:37.is not a debate about home-schooling versus schooling in a traditional

:17:38. > :17:45.setting, it is about taking your children out of school to go to

:17:46. > :17:49.Turkey. I understand that, but what the headmistress is saying is that

:17:50. > :17:55.if they miss a day in school, they have missed six hours of schooling,

:17:56. > :17:58.which completes their curriculum. But in my eyes, if I was the

:17:59. > :18:02.home-school my child, I don't have to be six hours a day, so why is it

:18:03. > :18:08.they can't still fit their curriculum in with five days out of

:18:09. > :18:11.the term for holidays? Holidays themselves in their own right are

:18:12. > :18:15.educational visits. My children have been to many countries, they have

:18:16. > :18:22.been to Turkey, Egypt, Greece, they have seen a lot of monuments and

:18:23. > :18:27.architecture, and a lot of history and a lot of cultural differences.

:18:28. > :18:33.Why is that not education in itself? Patsy Kane, that is a good point. I

:18:34. > :18:38.am not against travel and visiting places of historical interest, it is

:18:39. > :18:44.great if you can afford that. Schools are still doing their best

:18:45. > :18:47.to enrich the education. But the fact is there are 13 weeks of

:18:48. > :18:53.holiday during the year. Know, but the point is Dominique can't afford

:18:54. > :18:58.to do that in school delays because it is so expensive. I would still

:18:59. > :19:01.argue that a trip every two years is better, and there are plenty of

:19:02. > :19:07.places fist Oracle interest in this country that can easily be reached

:19:08. > :19:12.within 13 weeks holiday a year. Not like going to the old ruins of

:19:13. > :19:15.Pompeii, but I take your point. E-mail from Jack, brilliant judges,

:19:16. > :19:19.the father of Charlton to think that he and only he was right by his

:19:20. > :19:23.actions take charge out of school without consultation or permission

:19:24. > :19:27.of the head. Roger says it is the right decision by the Supreme Court.

:19:28. > :19:30.Steve says the supreme court ruling means the holiday companies can

:19:31. > :19:36.continue to levy excessively high prices during the main summer

:19:37. > :19:40.holidays. I wonder if John Platt should not have taken the travel

:19:41. > :19:43.companies to court. I am not sure if he could have an action against the

:19:44. > :19:47.travel companies, that is not something we have discussed. What is

:19:48. > :19:51.really important to understand about this is that it is not just about

:19:52. > :19:56.school holidays. It now says that attendance mean obeying the rules of

:19:57. > :20:00.what ever the school policy is. So importantly, and Katarina who I was

:20:01. > :20:04.speaking to just now, there are lots of examples John has collated of

:20:05. > :20:07.people who have had half a day here and therefore things that most

:20:08. > :20:11.people might consider to be reasonable weatherhead is not

:20:12. > :20:16.authorised it and it has resulted in a fixed penalty why prosecution. So

:20:17. > :20:19.probably it is a divisive issue but a lot of people might agree that a

:20:20. > :20:24.term time holiday is wrong but it becomes a different issue, family

:20:25. > :20:27.funerals for example, John has examples of those, where they travel

:20:28. > :20:32.for a funeral that has not been authorised. The issue goes far

:20:33. > :20:38.beyond the holidays. Patsy Kane, do you acknowledge that an unauthorised

:20:39. > :20:44.absence for a family funeral, being fined for that is crazy? I think

:20:45. > :20:49.there would be unusual. It is, but it has happened. It may have

:20:50. > :20:52.happened, that would be unusual. Most headteachers would be

:20:53. > :20:58.compassionate, there are always circumstances that genuinely qualify

:20:59. > :21:02.as exceptional circumstances. Schools and headteachers do have

:21:03. > :21:05.some flexibility in that. In my mind, most headteachers would

:21:06. > :21:10.probably consider that exceptional circumstances, so that would be a

:21:11. > :21:14.very small minority of cases. John Platt also mentioned when talking

:21:15. > :21:17.outside the Supreme Court, he said if your child wakes up tomorrow and

:21:18. > :21:21.they are really tired, you can't as a parent make the decision to let

:21:22. > :21:25.them have the day off school unless you are prepared to break the law.

:21:26. > :21:29.Do you think that is right? Part of the responsible to your parents is

:21:30. > :21:33.ensuring that your child gets to bed at a reasonable hour so they are fit

:21:34. > :21:38.for school in the morning and they do have a good night's sleep. That

:21:39. > :21:41.is a duty and responsible at the other parent. Dominique, you are

:21:42. > :21:48.shaking your head and smiling, tell us why. Whilst I am not against

:21:49. > :21:53.schooling and that children should be in school, mine are everyday,

:21:54. > :22:01.what makes me smile and laugh about that is once again that is somebody

:22:02. > :22:05.telling us how to parent our children. If we are the ones

:22:06. > :22:09.parenting our children, why can't we make the decision over where they go

:22:10. > :22:13.on holiday or when they go on holiday? And when they go to bed.

:22:14. > :22:17.Thank you very much, all of you. Thank you for coming on the

:22:18. > :22:23.programme, Dominique, and Patsy as well. Lee Peckham, thank you, John

:22:24. > :22:28.Platt's lawyer. Still to come before the end of the programme, we will be

:22:29. > :22:32.talking live to Lutalo Muhammad about how you bounce back from a

:22:33. > :22:35.massive disappointment, in his case what he considered to be a defeat,

:22:36. > :22:40.when he came within a second of gold medal at last's Olympics.

:22:41. > :22:42.Next, Melissa Cochrane and her husband Kurt were both hit

:22:43. > :22:46.by Khalid Masood's car on Westminster Bridge.

:22:47. > :22:48.Kurt was killed, Melissa suffered a broken leg,

:22:49. > :22:54.That day had been part of the trip of a lifetime,

:22:55. > :22:56.they'd travelled from their home in Utah through Europe

:22:57. > :23:02.to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary.

:23:03. > :23:04.Earlier this morning, I spoke with Kurt's son, Dallas,

:23:05. > :23:11.He says he does not hate Khalid Masood.

:23:12. > :23:14.He told me how they heard the news at home in Salt Lake City:

:23:15. > :23:25.I was home alone, and I got a text from my older brother, saying that

:23:26. > :23:33.my dad and Melissa were involved in the London attacks. I got a few

:23:34. > :23:37.photos. So that was how I first found out. Of course, it was

:23:38. > :23:43.unbelievable, I didn't really believe it at first, even after

:23:44. > :23:51.seeing the pictures, I mean, it was a heavy experience. It is still hard

:23:52. > :23:55.to take in. We confirmed that it was them, and we were talking through my

:23:56. > :23:59.aunt, and they were in contact with my grandparents, and they kind of

:24:00. > :24:06.confirmed everything for us, sent us more photos, and that's how I found

:24:07. > :24:12.out. For most people, it's unimaginable to lose their dad in

:24:13. > :24:23.this way. How do you rationalise that? Like I said, it is hard to

:24:24. > :24:28.rationalise. I still can't believe it is happening. It is so

:24:29. > :24:34.overwhelming, but I just tried to focus on the positive, and celebrate

:24:35. > :24:39.the time that I did have with my dad. Tell our British audience a bit

:24:40. > :24:48.about your dad. My dad was the most loving, giving, humble guy you can

:24:49. > :24:52.come across. Always a good time, always good hanging out with him,

:24:53. > :24:56.kids loved him. He always had a smile on his face, it was

:24:57. > :25:04.contagious, he just have that contagious laugh. He is going to be

:25:05. > :25:12.missed. He always saw the good in everything. He knew the reason we

:25:13. > :25:16.are here is just to enjoy the pleasures of life, and I think that

:25:17. > :25:21.is what he passed on to me, and he has taught me that. That is how we

:25:22. > :25:27.kind of choose to live our life. He really is an amazing guy. I want to

:25:28. > :25:30.play you something that your stepmum, Melissa, said in an

:25:31. > :25:33.interview with the BBC last night. You may have heard it already but I

:25:34. > :25:42.just want to play this already, if I may. He was probably the most loving

:25:43. > :25:47.man I've ever met. No hate. Just loved everyone. There was just such

:25:48. > :25:51.love in his heart. And you can manage to do that yourself, not feel

:25:52. > :25:53.ill will to the man that has produced in this wheelchair, that

:25:54. > :26:02.has ended your future together with your husband? You're I don't think I

:26:03. > :26:06.could feel my injuries or might Dyche myself as a person if I had

:26:07. > :26:11.hate in my heart, and Kurt wouldn't want that either, so there is no

:26:12. > :26:16.hate. I can see that you are nodding in agreement with that. Is that

:26:17. > :26:19.something you feel strongly? I feel very strongly about that, and that

:26:20. > :26:24.is exactly what my dad would want as well. Just focus on the positive.

:26:25. > :26:28.There is no reason to hate anybody for this. That is not going to fix

:26:29. > :26:33.anything, it will not make anybody feel better. So just celebrate the

:26:34. > :26:40.times that you did have. Have you thought about the man who did this?

:26:41. > :26:45.Not really at all. I have seen little pictures here and there, but

:26:46. > :26:49.I have kind of chosen to avoid looking into whatever his story was.

:26:50. > :26:51.It is not going to help me any summer knowing who it was or why he

:26:52. > :27:00.did it. I just want to be there for my

:27:01. > :27:06.stepmum in her recovery to help her out the best I can, and just

:27:07. > :27:13.remember my dad for what he was, and just focus on that. You and your

:27:14. > :27:19.family are now trying to raise money for Melissa, your dad's wife, your

:27:20. > :27:24.stepmum, because she is self-employed, isn't she? Yes, her

:27:25. > :27:27.and my dad opened up the recording studios they have, built it up from

:27:28. > :27:33.the ground up, and were self-employed. Just working out of

:27:34. > :27:37.our house. Predictably, there have been some trolls online, accusing

:27:38. > :27:43.Melissa of "Faking her injuries" after a photo appeared at her

:27:44. > :27:52.smiling in hospital. How do you react to people who have suggested

:27:53. > :27:58.that? I honestly just kind of choose to avoid that. There is a way is

:27:59. > :28:01.going to be trolls, as you say, there will always be negativity, but

:28:02. > :28:07.we choose to focus on the positive, and we are just super grateful for

:28:08. > :28:11.all the money that we have got, it has gone far beyond what we thought

:28:12. > :28:15.we were going to get. It has been amazing, all the help we have got

:28:16. > :28:22.from everybody. What has the response been like from people here

:28:23. > :28:30.in the UK, and in the States? When we were in London, it could not have

:28:31. > :28:35.been more accommodating. We were escorted everywhere, everything was

:28:36. > :28:40.sorted for us, we could not have been treated better. Fear, the night

:28:41. > :28:46.it happened, the FBI was involved, got us on a plane immediately, got

:28:47. > :28:52.us to where we needed to be, our passports and everything. It could

:28:53. > :28:58.not have gone more smoothly. And I am very thankful for everybody that

:28:59. > :29:02.was involved. Your stepmum attended the service of hope yesterday at

:29:03. > :29:08.Westminster. Do you know when she is going to be able to come home to you

:29:09. > :29:15.in Salt Lake City? We're not sure exactly. We've been told hopefully

:29:16. > :29:20.within the week. But that is still on the fence, we are not positive

:29:21. > :29:29.exactly when, but we are optimistic and hoping that we can have her home

:29:30. > :29:32.safe soon. That was Kurt Cochran's son, Dallas, talking to us earlier.

:29:33. > :29:34.Still to come in the last half-hour of the programme.

:29:35. > :29:36.We'll be talking Live to Lutalo Muhammad -

:29:37. > :29:39.about turning failure into success - after he came within

:29:40. > :29:41.a second of a gold medal at last years Olympics.

:29:42. > :29:47.Also, we will bring you details about the Labour pledge on free

:29:48. > :29:51.school meals for state primary school pupils, as their leader

:29:52. > :29:52.Jeremy Corbyn says he wants to make them available to all primary school

:29:53. > :29:57.kids in England. In the last few minutes,

:29:58. > :30:03.the father who refused to pay a fine after taking his daughter out

:30:04. > :30:06.of school for an unauthorised holiday, has lost his case

:30:07. > :30:09.the Supreme Court. Jon Platt was fined when he took his

:30:10. > :30:12.daughter away for a week He refused to pay, because -

:30:13. > :30:16.he said - his daughter's attendance The High Court had originally ruled

:30:17. > :30:19.that the holiday did not constitute regular absenteeism -

:30:20. > :30:22.but this morning, the Supreme Court has overturned that judgment,

:30:23. > :30:24.saying that it's disruptive to children's education

:30:25. > :30:26.to take them out of school. This is how Lady Hale

:30:27. > :30:28.announced the ruling. Unauthorised absences

:30:29. > :30:31.have a disruptive effect. Not only on the education

:30:32. > :30:34.of the individual child, but also on the work of other pupils

:30:35. > :30:38.and of their teachers. If one pupil can be taken

:30:39. > :30:41.out whenever it suits Different pupils might be taken

:30:42. > :30:46.out at different times, Any educational system expects

:30:47. > :30:54.people to keep the rules. Not to do so is unfair to those

:30:55. > :30:58.obedient parents who do keep the rules, whatever the cost

:30:59. > :31:10.or inconvenience to themselves. In the last few minutes Mr Platt has

:31:11. > :31:18.been giving his reaction to the judgment. Be in no doubt, despite

:31:19. > :31:22.the judgment, I followed the law precisely as laid down and

:31:23. > :31:28.interpreted by High Court judges in two different cases from 69 and

:31:29. > :31:33.2006. They told me that to attend regularly was to attend very

:31:34. > :31:37.frequently, so I decided not to pay a ?60 penalty notice because my

:31:38. > :31:43.daughter had otherwise perfect attendance at school. The decision

:31:44. > :31:47.of those High Court judges in 1969 and 2006 informed that decision, but

:31:48. > :31:51.here I stand having just been told I was wrong to rely on the decisions

:31:52. > :31:56.of those High Court judges to guide me on the law. With this judgment,

:31:57. > :32:01.those precedents have been swept away and the consequences can only

:32:02. > :32:06.be described as shocking. To attend regularly no longer means to attend

:32:07. > :32:12.frequently. It now means to attend on all the days and that all the

:32:13. > :32:15.times that the school requires it. Every unauthorised absence,

:32:16. > :32:18.including being a minute late to school, is now a criminal offence.

:32:19. > :32:20.The Prime Minister will meet the European Council President,

:32:21. > :32:21.Donald Tusk, at Downing Street this lunchtime.

:32:22. > :32:24.They're expected to discuss the Uk's exit from the European Union -

:32:25. > :32:27.a week after Mr Tusk set out the Eu's draft guidelines

:32:28. > :32:33.A mother who went missing with her two young sons has been

:32:34. > :32:38.Samantha Baldwin was last seen with six-year-old Dylan

:32:39. > :32:39.and nine-year-old Louis in Nottingham on the

:32:40. > :32:42.Nottinghamshire Police say all three have been found,

:32:43. > :32:47.Labour says if it wins the next election, it'll provide every

:32:48. > :32:50.primary school pupil in England with a free school meal, by charging

:32:51. > :32:56.Jeremy Corbyn will say this morning that a Labour government

:32:57. > :32:59.would invest in schools to ensure no child is held back because

:33:00. > :33:04.But the move has been criticised by the Independent Schools Council,

:33:05. > :33:07.which claims the sums do not add up.

:33:08. > :33:10.Pepsi has pulled its controversial new advert starring Kendall Jenner,

:33:11. > :33:12.after criticism that it was trying to commercialise protest movements

:33:13. > :33:20.The company received thousands of complaints about the tone

:33:21. > :33:22.and the content of the advert, in which Jenner joins

:33:23. > :33:25.a demonstration and gives a can of the soft drink

:33:26. > :33:30.Pepsi says it was trying to project a "global message of unity,

:33:31. > :33:32.peace and understanding", and apologised for, in its words,

:33:33. > :33:46.That is a summary of the latest news. Join me at 11. Thank you.

:33:47. > :33:51.Thank you for your reaction to the ruling from the Supreme Court. Linda

:33:52. > :33:55.says, I think parents have been penalised yet again. We already have

:33:56. > :33:59.to keep taking endless days of work for teacher training days. These

:34:00. > :34:02.should be during the school holidays. Parents have little or no

:34:03. > :34:07.time with their children and should choose when and where to spend it.

:34:08. > :34:11.Joseph says, we all know the real reason and if the holiday companies

:34:12. > :34:14.would stop ripping off hard-working parents, this problem wouldn't

:34:15. > :34:18.arise. There is no reason other than financial gain for the holiday firms

:34:19. > :34:22.to increase the price of trips during school holidays. Another

:34:23. > :34:27.Linda says if parents are not allowed to take their children on

:34:28. > :34:33.holiday during term time, why holidays organised by the school?

:34:34. > :34:37.Susan says she was delighted with the ruling. So much school time for

:34:38. > :34:41.her children was disrupted by people taking their children out of town --

:34:42. > :34:44.school during term time. Setup with these selfish people who think their

:34:45. > :34:49.child is more important than everybody else's.

:34:50. > :34:54.Now the sport. Good morning. A busy night in the Premier League last

:34:55. > :34:57.night. Chelsea are a step closer to another Premier League title after

:34:58. > :35:00.beating Manchester City 2-1. They recovered from their shock defeat to

:35:01. > :35:06.Crystal Palace at the weekend and remain seven points clear of nearest

:35:07. > :35:10.rivals Spurs. Eden Hazard was in great form, scoring his 15th and

:35:11. > :35:16.16th goals of the season. Manager Antonio Conte has been doing his

:35:17. > :35:23.songs. There are eight games to go. We must know that Tottenham are

:35:24. > :35:34.going to win the games. And for this reason we need to take 18 points to

:35:35. > :35:39.mathematically win the title. Spurs are the only team with any hope of

:35:40. > :35:44.catching Chelsea. There were 1-0 down against Swansea with two

:35:45. > :35:52.minutes left. Three goals in six minutes gave them a 3-1 win.

:35:53. > :35:56.Meanwhile, the bottom of the table, a huge win for Hull. They have

:35:57. > :35:59.climbed out of the relegation zone for the first time since October.

:36:00. > :36:04.They came from behind to beat relegation rivals Middlesbrough. The

:36:05. > :36:09.body which represents referees has apologised after Keith should --

:36:10. > :36:12.Keith Stroud's Eire last night when he failed to instruct Newcastle to

:36:13. > :36:17.retake a penalty against Burton after Pat -- players from both sides

:36:18. > :36:22.encroached into the penalty area. Matt Ritchie's spot kick went in but

:36:23. > :36:27.the referee wanly awarded Burton a free kick instead of a retake, to

:36:28. > :36:31.the bemusement of the players. Manager Rafa Benitez and 59,000

:36:32. > :36:37.Newcastle fans. Ritchie had the final word on the night as his

:36:38. > :36:44.second-half goal gave Newcastle the win which keeps them top of the

:36:45. > :36:53.Championship. Also last night, Celtic's 1-1 jaw with Partick

:36:54. > :36:59.Thistle means they are 23 points ahead of Aberdeen. The Republic of

:37:00. > :37:02.Ireland's women's team have reached an agreement with the governing body

:37:03. > :37:09.after allegations from players that they were not been treated properly.

:37:10. > :37:14.The team are threatened not to train if there were not improved support.

:37:15. > :37:17.After mediation talks, the FA I confirmed this morning that all

:37:18. > :37:20.issues have now been resolved and the players will resume training

:37:21. > :37:28.ahead of Monday's game against Slovakia. Now he might be the world

:37:29. > :37:31.number one, and have won his last three tournaments, but Dustin

:37:32. > :37:36.Johnson's brilliant 2017 came to an abrupt halt yesterday. He fell down

:37:37. > :37:40.the stairs of his rented home near Gloucester. The world number one

:37:41. > :37:44.injured his back and now could miss the Masters, which starts later

:37:45. > :37:49.today. Johnson is the favourite to win the green jacket on Sunday and

:37:50. > :37:54.has been taking anti-inflammatory tablets in a bid to make his tee

:37:55. > :37:56.time just after 7pm. A race against time. That is the sport. Thank you.

:37:57. > :37:58.Good morning. He was one second away

:37:59. > :38:01.from achieving his life's dream - winning a gold medal at the Olympics

:38:02. > :38:04.- when it all went wrong. Tae Kwon Do athlete Lutalo Muhammad

:38:05. > :38:07.was beaten in the most dramatic way in his Olympic Final

:38:08. > :38:09.last summer in Rio. He was inconsolable,

:38:10. > :38:10.picking up silver instead. He broke down on TV

:38:11. > :38:17.and apologised to the nation. So how do you cope with failure,

:38:18. > :38:19.bounce back from such Lutalo's made a film exclusively

:38:20. > :38:23.with us as he comes to terms Along the way he met people whose

:38:24. > :38:27.'failures' had been private, but for one very well-known person

:38:28. > :38:37.in particular - they'd Here is an extract.

:38:38. > :38:40.Someone whose failures and successes have been left out in the public eye

:38:41. > :38:48.for decades is businessman Lord sugar. Who better to come to for

:38:49. > :38:52.advice on moving on? There was a time in the computer industry where

:38:53. > :38:58.we were king of the computer market in Europe and we made a bad range of

:38:59. > :39:02.products that had a technical fault on them. We struggled to understand

:39:03. > :39:08.what those technical faults were. And in that period of time, we

:39:09. > :39:13.dropped from the darlings of the computer industry, down to virtually

:39:14. > :39:19.zero. That was a very tough time. A very tough time. We went from making

:39:20. > :39:26.profits of ?160 million a year to losses of 70 million. Big bank debts

:39:27. > :39:32.and things like that. That was a very tough time. In my personal

:39:33. > :39:35.experience, I lost at the Olympics in the last second. One of the

:39:36. > :39:38.hardest thing to deal with was knowing the entire world was

:39:39. > :39:44.watching. In your experience, how do you overcome that? Failure,

:39:45. > :39:51.something that went wrong, it is not a good thing. But it is factually

:39:52. > :39:56.correct. It wasn't a nice time but you have to deal with it. You can't

:39:57. > :40:04.deal with it by arguing against it or making excuses. It is factually

:40:05. > :40:13.right. We had a failure. I had a failure. And people talked about my

:40:14. > :40:19.failure and all that stuff. But you have to move on until you get your

:40:20. > :40:22.next product in the marketplace, like our satellite dishes, and

:40:23. > :40:28.suddenly everything else was forgotten. Did that criticism help

:40:29. > :40:34.you? It helped in the sense that you take no notice of it. It is like the

:40:35. > :40:40.old thing, yesterday's newspaper, really. Our cousins in America have

:40:41. > :40:45.got a new president. He doesn't seem to have learned that lesson. I'm

:40:46. > :40:48.actually -- absolutely surprised about that. He seems to react to

:40:49. > :40:56.every bit of criticism that is thrown at him, whereas he shouldn't,

:40:57. > :41:01.really. It should be water off duck's back. All I have to do is win

:41:02. > :41:06.the medal and everything will be forgotten? Yeah exactly. And United

:41:07. > :41:10.do that. -- and you know how to do that. I

:41:11. > :41:16.have just spoken to Lord sugar and what I have learned is that I can't

:41:17. > :41:20.focus on the outside noise, I can only focus on what I can control.

:41:21. > :41:34.Good morning. Good morning. How are you? Really well. Brilliance to be

:41:35. > :41:42.here. What did you want to get out of this film? A few things. A little

:41:43. > :41:48.bit of closure. Two, I guess, finally close that chapter. It's

:41:49. > :41:57.such a big part of my life. I received so much exposure from it.

:41:58. > :42:02.To be able to move on and get -- and chased the next gold medal in Tokyo.

:42:03. > :42:07.But also what it gave me that I probably didn't expect was a lot of

:42:08. > :42:12.perspective. Speaking to people like Lord sugar was an amazing

:42:13. > :42:20.experience. But also speaking to Naomi and Paloma, who have been

:42:21. > :42:25.through really, really ruff times. They didn't receive a sink -- silver

:42:26. > :42:33.medal as consolation for their perceived failure. I felt a lot of

:42:34. > :42:39.empathy for them. It makes me think about people should never think they

:42:40. > :42:42.are failures. You should always see the positive in every situation, but

:42:43. > :42:49.for some people that is harder than others. Butterfat perspective is

:42:50. > :42:54.key. Let me read you this e-mail. Joshua is 23. He says, I wish to

:42:55. > :43:01.tell anybody watching that learning how to fail, learning how to fall,

:43:02. > :43:07.actually, has been my most painful and greatest lesson in my life so

:43:08. > :43:11.far. I'm 23. My mum took her own life when I was 16 and I had to take

:43:12. > :43:15.a break from my studies. Being the competitive person I was, I felt I

:43:16. > :43:19.was a failure as I saw my peers go on to achieve the things I want to.

:43:20. > :43:25.But grief is a painful thing that you must work with and not against.

:43:26. > :43:27.Healing time is essential. Having slowly learned to stopping so harsh

:43:28. > :43:33.on myself and learning more about grief besides, I feel that every

:43:34. > :43:38.setback I encounter has less of an effect on my progress. This is in

:43:39. > :43:42.part? To my being far less concerned with -- with what the world thinks

:43:43. > :43:46.about what I have not achieved, if indeed it really does think

:43:47. > :43:49.anything. I am now studying for a degree in physics at university, it

:43:50. > :43:56.is a subject I'm very passionate about. Very moving. And he has been

:43:57. > :44:04.able to use adversity to go forward? Wow. Obviously what he has been

:44:05. > :44:09.through, I can't even imagine the pain. But the fact he has used it to

:44:10. > :44:17.come back and he is now doing well, he is now successful, I think it's

:44:18. > :44:22.brilliant. And I hope a lot of people watch this documentary and

:44:23. > :44:26.learn some stories, and they can understand that failure is not

:44:27. > :44:31.necessarily the end. I like what he says about healing time. It's

:44:32. > :44:36.natural to grieve. Two must get it out of your system. But eventually

:44:37. > :44:43.time heals all wounds and you can move on from it. That was a really

:44:44. > :44:47.touching e-mail. What is making this film told you about yourself? It may

:44:48. > :44:53.not have told you anything. I'm not asking for a profound answer. If

:44:54. > :45:01.there is one, go for it. I feel like I learnt... I really do think

:45:02. > :45:04.perspective is a big word. For me, speaking to people who I believe

:45:05. > :45:12.have gone through far worse things than I am, Paloma's story about her

:45:13. > :45:18.young child. It really was quite touching.

:45:19. > :45:25.It makes me feel grateful for what I have there is a lot of empathy for

:45:26. > :45:31.what people have been through. I think people are too hard on

:45:32. > :45:37.themselves. When the ball have hit rock bottom, we as humans are

:45:38. > :45:47.naturally just a bit too hard on ourselves. But then you look at Lord

:45:48. > :45:52.sugar, and how his, how he responds to criticism, almost to ignore it.

:45:53. > :45:55.Water off a duck's back and he keeps moving forward. That has been a

:45:56. > :45:58.crucial element to all the stories in this piece, that we have to keep

:45:59. > :46:05.on moving forward and be positive. The point he made about criticism,

:46:06. > :46:11.who cares what other people think? Joshua has got a very wise head on

:46:12. > :46:13.young shoulders. Lord sugar has had decades of experience, the ups and

:46:14. > :46:18.downs, in terms of business success and failures. It is kind of easy for

:46:19. > :46:23.him to say who cares what other people think because he is more

:46:24. > :46:30.mature. That is something we learn over time. These experiences are

:46:31. > :46:34.almost a necessary part of our growth that is how I see the

:46:35. > :46:40.Olympics. Every part of my career whether it was the bronze in London,

:46:41. > :46:44.the silver in Rio, both of those medals at things around them. I have

:46:45. > :46:49.learned and Beano to move forward from them. It has given me a lot of

:46:50. > :46:54.confidence that I have this experience. I feel like I will be

:46:55. > :47:00.the oldest 29-year-old of the world when I go into Tokyo because I had

:47:01. > :47:04.so much life experience. I am very sure because I will be the user to

:47:05. > :47:12.convert it into gold. I hope you do! I know I will. Oh my gosh, I love

:47:13. > :47:17.the confidence Lutalo, and thank you for making the film. Next, Labour

:47:18. > :47:21.leader Jeremy Corbyn says he wants to extend free school meals to all

:47:22. > :47:24.primary school pupils in England and pay for it by taxing parents who

:47:25. > :47:33.send their children to private schools. Let's get more on this with

:47:34. > :47:38.Kelly Price, who is at Westminster. This is a big policy approach and

:47:39. > :47:42.not a cheap one either. -- policy pledge will stop Jeremy Corbyn wants

:47:43. > :47:46.all primary scored children to have access to free school meals, and he

:47:47. > :47:49.reckons about 90% of children in primary schools would take Labour

:47:50. > :47:54.out of its offer, and it would cost about ?900 million a year to pay for

:47:55. > :47:59.it, it would introduce VAT on private school fees. They reckon

:48:00. > :48:05.that would raise about ?1.5 billion a year. So those other sums. They

:48:06. > :48:06.reckon if this was a policy that was introduced it would increase

:48:07. > :48:12.attainment in primary schools but also it would boost healthy eating.

:48:13. > :48:17.This is what the Shadow Education Secretary had to say about this. We

:48:18. > :48:20.know that would benefit all children, and it ends that stigma

:48:21. > :48:24.about the children that can afford and the children that cannot afford.

:48:25. > :48:27.It is about making sure every child is provided with a free school meal

:48:28. > :48:31.and a Hotmail for that day, so it is a really good socially progressive

:48:32. > :48:35.policy that is universal, for all those families that are working

:48:36. > :48:38.hard, paying their taxes, that want to see they get a benefit from that.

:48:39. > :48:50.Those young people deserve just as much as all the other young people.

:48:51. > :48:52.I don't want it to be means tested, I think it is a really socially

:48:53. > :48:55.progressive policy. At the moment, all children in years one and two

:48:56. > :48:57.are eligible to have free school meals, and then if you are from a

:48:58. > :49:00.family that receives certain benefits, around 15% of pupils at

:49:01. > :49:05.primary schools in years three to six have access to free school meals

:49:06. > :49:09.too, so those are the numbers at the moment. It is interesting, the

:49:10. > :49:13.former head of Ofsted Sir Michael Will Shaw so this is a difficult

:49:14. > :49:17.policy because really the money that could be going to poorer families

:49:18. > :49:20.would be wasted essentially on those families that could afford free

:49:21. > :49:24.school meals. We have also heard from the Independent school council

:49:25. > :49:28.that says this could be incredibly damaging to private schools too, and

:49:29. > :49:36.say it could force some smaller private schools out of business if

:49:37. > :49:41.some parents are to pay taxes on their fees. And others who say the

:49:42. > :49:44.numbers would not add We can now speak to Mike Buchanan,

:49:45. > :49:47.Chair of the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' Conference,

:49:48. > :49:49.'that's the professional Association of Heads of the world's leading

:49:50. > :50:00.independent schools and also and to Rachel, who is a working

:50:01. > :50:04.mother of two teenagers aged 14 and 17, and they both go to private

:50:05. > :50:10.schools. Your reaction, Rachel, but it will be the 80 on your fees that

:50:11. > :50:16.pay of this policy. I was shocked to hear that is a possibility, because

:50:17. > :50:21.we work very hard in order to send our kids. It is our choice to send

:50:22. > :50:25.our kids to private school. It is crippling to pay the fees, and an

:50:26. > :50:31.extra credits and would probably mean we have to rethink our

:50:32. > :50:38.decision. Really? Yeah. Psephology said Jeremy Corbyn? I think he needs

:50:39. > :50:44.to think again about the risk -- the redistribution of wealth. I am

:50:45. > :50:50.entirely in agreement that every child should be able to receive the

:50:51. > :50:53.school meals they are entitled to, but I just don't believe that it

:50:54. > :50:58.should be paid for by people who are struggling, who have made the choice

:50:59. > :51:02.but are struggling to send their pupils to private school. Some

:51:03. > :51:06.people think that if you send your children to private school, you are

:51:07. > :51:11.kind of rolling in it. I think that is the impression people get. It is

:51:12. > :51:16.definitely not the case. There are those people who can afford, and can

:51:17. > :51:19.more than afford to send their children to private school, and

:51:20. > :51:24.there are those who choose to and make sacrifices to do so. What

:51:25. > :51:32.sacrifices have you and your husband made? We both work very hard, we

:51:33. > :51:38.don't go on an annual family holiday, we don't have new cars, we

:51:39. > :51:42.don't eat out, we have to make sacrifices like that in order to pay

:51:43. > :51:46.for the school fees, which we believe is edible food way of using

:51:47. > :51:51.our income. Mike Buchanan, how do you react to this pledge from the

:51:52. > :51:54.Labour Party? The it is full of dodgy maths and myths and

:51:55. > :51:59.misunderstanding. As Rachel has said, it is unfair to parents who

:52:00. > :52:03.are already paying twice for private education. Because they pay their

:52:04. > :52:08.taxes to pay for the state sector and then choose to send them to

:52:09. > :52:12.private schools. Yes, and this would be a third payment they have to

:52:13. > :52:19.make. More importantly, the numbers just don't stack up. If you add 20%

:52:20. > :52:22.to the fees, most independent schools in this country have fewer

:52:23. > :52:25.than 400 pupil school that would cripple a school of that size and

:52:26. > :52:31.you would simply drive pupils into the state sector. A rough estimate

:52:32. > :52:41.on my way here would be the net cost to the state would be about ?1

:52:42. > :52:43.billion. Right. What would be wrong in your view with driving your

:52:44. > :52:49.parents and kids to the state sector is that it would not go to cope with

:52:50. > :52:54.it? If they were, they would have to build new schools, and that would be

:52:55. > :53:00.a huge capital cost. As well as of course paying for the extra places

:53:01. > :53:04.on a year by year basis. It will be very popular with some Labour

:53:05. > :53:08.voters, because it appears to give free school meals to everybody at

:53:09. > :53:14.primary schools, including rich parents who stand their children to

:53:15. > :53:20.state schools. It also adds an extra cost to people who are perceived to

:53:21. > :53:24.be rolling in it. It is the perception that is a myth we have

:53:25. > :53:29.got to bust. Rachel is a fairly typical independent school parent. I

:53:30. > :53:34.run a school, 1000 children, most of my parents are just like Rachel, two

:53:35. > :53:37.working parents, sometimes a single parent, not earning huge amounts,

:53:38. > :53:47.not in the other wealthy category. They would be crippled by adding 20%

:53:48. > :53:52.of their fees. Rachel, go on. I was just agreeing. The principle of all

:53:53. > :53:55.children at state primaries getting free school meals, including those

:53:56. > :54:00.who can afford to pay for it, what do you think of that? I am entirely

:54:01. > :54:03.supportive of every child in this country getting a great education,

:54:04. > :54:06.and part of that is making sure they are well prepared for school,

:54:07. > :54:10.whether that is from breakfast clubs or free school meals at lunchtime

:54:11. > :54:14.acceptor, but it does seem rather order that the Labour Party is

:54:15. > :54:18.proposing on the one hand to penalised those who choose to send

:54:19. > :54:23.the child to a private school, and they have equated private education

:54:24. > :54:26.with wealth. There are wealthy people who are not using wealthy

:54:27. > :54:31.education. They have made that mistake. And of course they are

:54:32. > :54:38.giving that money back to people who don't need it. Thank you both, thank

:54:39. > :54:42.you for coming on the programme. Thank you to you, all of you, for

:54:43. > :54:46.your comments on changes to bereavement payments, which come in

:54:47. > :54:50.from today. Any parent from today who loses their spouse or civil

:54:51. > :54:57.partner will be able to claim a maximum of 18 months of financial

:54:58. > :55:04.support, that is down from 20 years. But the initial lump sum you receive

:55:05. > :55:07.has gone up by ?1500 from ?2000 to ?3500, and the payments over the 18

:55:08. > :55:12.months will be tax-free and they will not affect any other benefits.

:55:13. > :55:14.The Conservative peer Baroness Altman has been granted an urgent

:55:15. > :55:20.question in the House of Lords on this issue today. She was on our

:55:21. > :55:24.programme on Tuesday talking to Alan, who has incurable cancer, and

:55:25. > :55:30.he was worried about what will his wife and two children be able to

:55:31. > :55:36.claim after he dies. Can you confirm and explain what the significance of

:55:37. > :55:40.an urgent question is? Well, every week there is a ballot for a

:55:41. > :55:46.question on something that has come up urgently that week, and

:55:47. > :55:51.immediately after our interview on your programme on Tuesday, I put my

:55:52. > :55:55.name down for that ballot with a question to ask the Minister to come

:55:56. > :56:02.to the house and explain, or ask why, he might reconsider these cuts

:56:03. > :56:06.to support for bereaved families with children. And that question

:56:07. > :56:12.will be asked in about half an hour's time in the house. I also

:56:13. > :56:16.committed on the programme to getting a cross-party group from all

:56:17. > :56:21.sides of the House of Lords to write to the Minister to ask him to

:56:22. > :56:23.reconsider. We have written to the Secretary of State. This is

:56:24. > :56:29.supported across the House of Lords, to ask him to X end the period of

:56:30. > :56:34.support for families with children, if they are very. 18 months simply

:56:35. > :56:37.is not long enough for them -- if they are but you've. For the

:56:38. > :56:46.children to have ended -- if they are bereaved. Who is the Minister

:56:47. > :56:51.that is coming to the Lords to hear your urgent question? The minister

:56:52. > :56:55.today is Lord Henley, but we have written our letter actually to the

:56:56. > :56:59.Secretary of State, Damian Green, and we are asking for an urgent

:57:00. > :57:06.meeting with him to see if we can get the department to reconsider

:57:07. > :57:08.these cuts, because what is the welfare state for? What is national

:57:09. > :57:15.insurance for, if it isn't to support children through such tragic

:57:16. > :57:19.circumstances? OK. Thank you for coming back on the programme again.

:57:20. > :57:27.Baroness Altman is a Conservative peer. We will continue to report on

:57:28. > :57:31.that issue. A couple of messages about Lutalo Muhammad and his film

:57:32. > :57:36.on how you react to failure or perceived failure. This one says

:57:37. > :57:39.Lord sugar on your programme today is a breath of fresh air.

:57:40. > :57:43.Perspective on failure is the key to success. This film has wriggled me

:57:44. > :57:48.thinking this morning. For me, Lutalo's reaction at losing was what

:57:49. > :57:52.I would expect. When you see other sportsmen and women happily losing

:57:53. > :57:56.hands after Ashun shaking hands after losing, they clearly did not

:57:57. > :58:00.want it enough. That said, people do not know how to deal with defeat.

:58:01. > :58:04.Remember the higher you climb, the longer you fall, so be ready for it

:58:05. > :58:09.and good luck to Lutalo Muhammad in 2020. This one on Facebook he was

:58:10. > :58:14.robbed, the clock had run out but the buzzer came late after it come I

:58:15. > :58:19.don't think that is true, Lindsey. And Sue on Facebook, he was a gold

:58:20. > :58:21.medal winner in many people Buzz Maggaiz, including mine.

:58:22. > :58:41.to sit down and really flush everything out.