11/04/2017

:00:17. > :00:18.It's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, welcome to the programme.

:00:19. > :00:21.This morning - in the 70s and 80s almost EVERY haemophiliac patient

:00:22. > :00:24.in this country was infected with HIV and hepatis, in one

:00:25. > :00:30.Now this programme has learnt that a new support scheme for victims

:00:31. > :00:37.and their families will leave some far worse off than others.

:00:38. > :00:44.It was something I kept to myself, I was determined I wasn't going to

:00:45. > :00:48.tell anyone because I had seen the stigma. I told a couple of close

:00:49. > :00:53.brings, that was it, I didn't tell anyone else at all. Also North Korea

:00:54. > :00:58.says it's ready for war and calls America reckless and outrageous are

:00:59. > :01:01.sending in naval fleet into Korean waters. We hear from former insiders

:01:02. > :01:07.as to what they think could happen next. And how's this for customer

:01:08. > :01:20.relations? The world's leading airline, flyer friendly.

:01:21. > :01:38.Why do airlines overbook in the 1st place? We will try and find out.

:01:39. > :01:42.Good morning, welcome to the programme. We are alive until 11 AM,

:01:43. > :01:46.we will bring you the breaking news and developing stories and we are

:01:47. > :01:51.keen to hear from you. We will talk to former executioner who will save

:01:52. > :01:55.why he is opposed to the death penalty, that as new figures show

:01:56. > :02:00.the number of times it's used around the world is actually falling. And

:02:01. > :02:04.you may be surprised that the country for the most executions are

:02:05. > :02:09.still carried out, we will bring you the news after 10 AM. If you are

:02:10. > :02:14.getting in touch, you can do so on the usual ways...

:02:15. > :02:21.Just trying to tell you our programme has been nominated for a

:02:22. > :02:25.BAFTA for our coverage of the foot dollars abuse story back in

:02:26. > :02:32.November. The competition is very tough! -- footballers.

:02:33. > :02:35.More than 900 adult social care workers a day left their job

:02:36. > :02:38.Around 60% of those who quit left the adult social care

:02:39. > :02:41.Care providers say that growing staff shortages mean vulnerable

:02:42. > :02:44.people are receiving poorer levels of care, and the UK

:02:45. > :02:46.Care Association claims the system is "close to collapse".

:02:47. > :02:48.The government says an extra two billion pounds is being

:02:49. > :02:56.The start of the morning shift at St Cecilia's nursing

:02:57. > :03:00.It is a mid-sized 42-bed home and it is full.

:03:01. > :03:06.The residents' conditions range from dementia sufferers to stroke

:03:07. > :03:09.survivors and those needing end of life care.

:03:10. > :03:12.It is a constant battle for health care assistants to meet

:03:13. > :03:16.There should also be two nurses on shift today

:03:17. > :03:35.I think the hardest thing is keeping the consistency because it does

:03:36. > :03:39.If you are having a great turnover of staff, it doesn't

:03:40. > :03:44.1.3 million people work in adult social care in England,

:03:45. > :03:48.but last year, more than 900 day left their jobs.

:03:49. > :03:52.Of those, 60% left social care completely.

:03:53. > :03:56.You're not falling, you're all right.

:03:57. > :03:59.It is high pressure, demanding and stressful work

:04:00. > :04:04.and most care workers are paid just above the minimum wage.

:04:05. > :04:08.You can't always get to everyone on time and it is quite upsetting

:04:09. > :04:12.and disheartening when you find out that people earn more just stacking

:04:13. > :04:14.shelves and you are looking after people and caring for them 24

:04:15. > :04:19.Overnight, only two carers are on shift and tonight an agency

:04:20. > :04:25.The Government recently committed to spending an extra ?2 billion

:04:26. > :04:28.on the social care system and allowing local authorities

:04:29. > :04:32.to raise council tax bills in order to fund social care services.

:04:33. > :04:37.But with the number of 75-year-olds set to double in the next 20 years,

:04:38. > :04:47.will there be enough staff to care for those most in need?

:04:48. > :04:55.There is a 2nd social care story in the news today, our correspondent is

:04:56. > :05:03.with us now. This is a report which analysed

:05:04. > :05:06.figures from the Care Quality Commission and they say living an

:05:07. > :05:10.unsatisfactory care homes is a grim reality but too many people. They

:05:11. > :05:15.say a 3rd of people in the North West are inadequate or require

:05:16. > :05:21.improvement. In certain areas such as Stockport and Salford, 2/3 of

:05:22. > :05:28.people in care homes fall into that category. -- 2/3 of care homes. In

:05:29. > :05:33.Manchester it is half. It doesn't quite fall into a north-south

:05:34. > :05:37.divide, Kensington and Chelsea also have 50% of their care homes deemed

:05:38. > :05:46.unsatisfactory according to the independent... 50%? OK. The reason

:05:47. > :05:51.behind this, what's being done? It ties into the story you've been

:05:52. > :05:56.running, they are saying a lack of funding, problems in recruiting

:05:57. > :06:00.staff as we've seen, 900 social care workers putting every single day

:06:01. > :06:04.which is quite shocking and there is inadequate support for care homes,

:06:05. > :06:08.good care homes in K-12 with the people who are in them, the

:06:09. > :06:12.families, the local community and their staff and they say if there

:06:13. > :06:20.isn't a framework to help care homes do that that is where it. 4. Labour

:06:21. > :06:25.says it is the government's fault, they are putting pressure on local

:06:26. > :06:29.authorities in areas in the North of England and that's why they are

:06:30. > :06:34.falling down, but in the budget last month the Chancellor Philip Hammond

:06:35. > :06:39.pledged an extra two billion pounds for social care in England.

:06:40. > :06:43.Charities and local authorities say that's a stopgap, a long-term

:06:44. > :06:48.solution is needed and that is what they are calling for any forthcoming

:06:49. > :06:50.Green paper. Let's bring you the rest of the news.

:06:51. > :06:52.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:53. > :06:56.Theresa May and Donald Trump have agreed there's "a window

:06:57. > :06:58.of opportunity" to persuade Russia to abandon its support for

:06:59. > :07:02.The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, will travel

:07:03. > :07:05.to Moscow later today to meet with his Russian counterpart.

:07:06. > :07:07.Before that foreign ministers from the G7 group of nations

:07:08. > :07:10.will continue to meet in Italy to try to agree a co-ordinated

:07:11. > :07:16.An eight-year-old child and his teacher have been

:07:17. > :07:19.killed after a shooting at a school in California.

:07:20. > :07:22.The gunman went into the school in San Bernardino yesterday

:07:23. > :07:25.and opened fire in his estranged wife's classroom,

:07:26. > :07:29.A second pupil is in a critical condition after being shot

:07:30. > :07:31.by the man, who police say had a criminal history,

:07:32. > :07:37.including domestic violence and weapons charges.

:07:38. > :07:39.The victims of a scandal in which the NHS used contaminated

:07:40. > :07:43.blood products to treat thousands of patients in the 70s and 80s say

:07:44. > :07:46.a new government support scheme is "shameful".

:07:47. > :07:49.Under the scheme, the widow of an HIV positive haemophiliac

:07:50. > :07:53.in England could receive tens of thousands of pounds a year

:07:54. > :07:57.less than someone living in Wales or Scotland.

:07:58. > :08:00.The NHS infected thousands of people - many of them haemophiliacs -

:08:01. > :08:03.with HIV and hepatitis - in one of the worst scandals

:08:04. > :08:16.A camp housing fifteen hundred migrants in northern France has been

:08:17. > :08:19.At least ten people have been injured at the camp,

:08:20. > :08:21.near the port of Dunkirk, which was home to

:08:22. > :08:24.The blaze was started after a fight between residents,

:08:25. > :08:29.Numbers staying at the camp have grown since the closure of the much

:08:30. > :08:32.larger 'Jungle' camp near Calais last year.

:08:33. > :08:35.China is believed to have executed more people in 2016

:08:36. > :08:40.than all other nations combined, according to Amnesty International

:08:41. > :08:42.- as death penalties in the world decreased overall.

:08:43. > :08:46.The number of executions around the world fell by more than a third,

:08:47. > :08:50.largely driven by fewer deaths recorded in Iran and Pakistan.

:08:51. > :08:52.But the group has sharply criticised China for continuing

:08:53. > :09:00.The US was removed from the top five for the first time since 2006.

:09:01. > :09:13.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

:09:14. > :09:17.Today we are discussing this PR triumph... The world's leading

:09:18. > :09:52.airline, flyer friendly. My god... My god... What are you

:09:53. > :09:58.doing? No... Carefully planned, coordinated and synchronised... Oh,

:09:59. > :10:07.my god, look at what you are doing to him! My God! Performing together

:10:08. > :10:17.with a single united bus. You have busted his lip! My God, look at what

:10:18. > :10:23.you are doing to him! Good work, guys, good work. That's what makes

:10:24. > :10:33.the world's leading airline, flyer friendly... I have to go home, I

:10:34. > :10:41.have to go home, I have to go home... United Airlines are

:10:42. > :10:44.partially apologised, the apology has been criticised, the CEO of

:10:45. > :10:47.United Airlines acknowledged to employees that the company could

:10:48. > :10:52.learn lessons from the incident. We'll talk to a PR expert about how

:10:53. > :10:56.it's possible to get it so unbelievably wrong and if that will

:10:57. > :11:02.have any long-term impact on the airline.

:11:03. > :11:07.Let's get some sport. Olly Foster is with us this morning.

:11:08. > :11:11.Arsenal have that horrible sinking feeling again. A couple of the

:11:12. > :11:16.players went to the fans and apologise last night. A couple of

:11:17. > :11:20.people in the office keeping a low profile! Biggest league defeat of

:11:21. > :11:24.the season, losing 3- 0 to Crystal Palace, here's a couple of the

:11:25. > :11:29.goals, really good things from Crystal Palace at the other end of

:11:30. > :11:35.the Townsend. -- the table. Andros Townsend, and Yohan Cabaye, what a

:11:36. > :11:38.performance. They also scored a late penalty, Arsenal fans vocal,

:11:39. > :11:45.chanting that the players are not fit to where the shirt, and Crystal

:11:46. > :11:51.Palace while bath-macro fans having a lot of fun. They were chanting for

:11:52. > :11:55.the manager to stay. Palace now 6 points clear of relegation is, 5

:11:56. > :12:00.wins out of 6, Sam Allardyce never relegated with any club, Assen

:12:01. > :12:05.Wenger has never finished outside the top four with the Gunners.

:12:06. > :12:09.Member some weeks ago he said he decided about his future, still

:12:10. > :12:14.keeping it to himself although he says that uncertainty about his

:12:15. > :12:24.future, his contract is up at the end of the season, isn't affecting

:12:25. > :12:27.his players. -- Arsene Wenger. I am in a difficult position, the game

:12:28. > :12:31.tonight doesn't help. Do you think it would have the situation but you

:12:32. > :12:37.think it would help if you came out and said what that decision is? Yes,

:12:38. > :12:43.I faced that in every press Conference at the moment and tonight

:12:44. > :12:50.I am not in the mood to speak about that. When do you think you will let

:12:51. > :12:55.the fans know? At the moment, I think I paid more respect to the

:12:56. > :13:00.fact that we had a disappointing result and focus on that, not find

:13:01. > :13:07.excuses that are not excuses, but nope what counts is how we perform

:13:08. > :13:10.on the pitch. John Southall with the questions, another difficult

:13:11. > :13:15.interview for Arsene Wenger, 8 games left for the club to try and turn

:13:16. > :13:19.things around. Those fans who are already pretty angry with the

:13:20. > :13:25.manager or even angrier. Yes the ones at Selhurst Park but social

:13:26. > :13:30.media got very swearing last night, a generation of fans who have never

:13:31. > :13:35.known anything but Arsenal with Arsene Wenger, over 20 years. Ian

:13:36. > :13:40.Wright helped Arsene Wenger win his 1st trophy of the club years ago and

:13:41. > :13:41.he got some stick on social media. Most pertinently he put this tweet

:13:42. > :13:58.about... A lively Monday Night Football on 5

:13:59. > :14:01.live, here is Chris Sutton and his take on the Gunners and he echoes

:14:02. > :14:06.that sentiment that Arsene Wenger has lost the dressing room. This is

:14:07. > :14:12.a manager who manage the invincible is and is managing the invisibles

:14:13. > :14:16.now. You know... There are ways to lose a football match. He's not

:14:17. > :14:20.getting the best out of the players, he has to go, he has to go and they

:14:21. > :14:26.have to get someone else in. Could someone go in and do a better job?

:14:27. > :14:29.Absolutely. They aren't listening. That is what usually does for

:14:30. > :14:34.managers, not fans getting angry it's when the players stop playing

:14:35. > :14:39.for the manager and that is what the owner is going to be looking at, to

:14:40. > :14:43.see if they are not listening to Arsene Wenger any more. We will see

:14:44. > :14:47.if his Arsenal team are more visible next week, Middlesbrough await next

:14:48. > :14:52.Monday night. Let's talk about Andy Murray who is back on Court at

:14:53. > :14:56.least. A real worry, about a month ago people of a tournament in

:14:57. > :15:00.America, the hard court season, with a slight tear in his elbow, thought

:15:01. > :15:03.he was going to miss the start of the clay-court season but he

:15:04. > :15:08.honoured a promise to Roger Federer at to play in a charity match last

:15:09. > :15:11.night in Zurich. All furry light-hearted, Murray was losing, he

:15:12. > :15:18.lost the match in straight sets and gave the ball boy a couple of serve

:15:19. > :15:22.sex commission mark on match point down. Perhaps a bad idea. He lost

:15:23. > :15:27.the match with a double fault but good to see him back out and get 3 a

:15:28. > :15:31.match and he might get through the Monte Carlo Masters in the

:15:32. > :15:36.clay-court season which would be great news. Thank you so much. More

:15:37. > :15:41.from the sports desk throughout the morning.

:15:42. > :15:43.In the 70s and 80s, thousands of haemophiliacs were treated

:15:44. > :15:51.with blood products that were contaminated.

:15:52. > :15:53.At just one school for disabled pupils in Hampshire dozens of young

:15:54. > :16:02.men were subsequently infected with HIV and hepatitis.

:16:03. > :16:04.72 of those boys, some as young as eight-years-old,

:16:05. > :16:13.Now the victims of the scandal and their families tell this

:16:14. > :16:15.programme a new support scheme planned by the Government

:16:16. > :16:18.could leave many struggling to pay mortgages and bills.

:16:19. > :16:21.Under the scheme the widow of an HIV positive haemophiliac in England

:16:22. > :16:23.could receive tens of thousands of pounds a year less than someone

:16:24. > :16:44.Haemophilia is a genetic disorder which prevents

:16:45. > :16:56.You might only need treatment during operations and things

:16:57. > :16:58.like that, or it can be severe where you have to have injections

:16:59. > :17:05.In what is said to be the biggest medical disaster

:17:06. > :17:08.since the health service was set up, more than 1000 people

:17:09. > :17:11.with haemophilia have been infected with Aids antibodies.

:17:12. > :17:13.In the 70s and 80s, thousands were treated

:17:14. > :17:23.Almost every British haemophiliac was infected with hepatitis or HIV.

:17:24. > :17:29.Many did not live long enough to be saved by modern drugs.

:17:30. > :17:33.In my school year, for example, I think I'm the only one left now.

:17:34. > :17:36.I am not the same person. I will never be the same person.

:17:37. > :17:38.I always say, and I firmly believe this, they gave him

:17:39. > :17:41.Aids, they locked him up and watched him die.

:17:42. > :17:46.30 years later, survivors and relatives of the dead

:17:47. > :17:53.Families are worried that a new support scheme,

:17:54. > :17:55.years in the making, could in fact leave many

:17:56. > :18:01.This programme has seen documents showing the Government has again

:18:02. > :18:04.ruled out a public inquiry into one of the worst treatment scandals

:18:05. > :18:15.The school is just up here on the left, just past

:18:16. > :18:20.Lee is 48 years old and a severe haemophiliac.

:18:21. > :18:25.This is the first time he has ever spoken on camera.

:18:26. > :18:28.Even today, some of his close family don't know he has been

:18:29. > :18:32.He describes himself as one of the lucky ones.

:18:33. > :18:35.Of the 1,200 British haemophiliacs infected with both HIV and hepatitis

:18:36. > :18:44.I went to a normal school up to the age of 11 and then at that

:18:45. > :18:46.time the local education authority, they felt it would be better

:18:47. > :18:50.if I was sent to a boarding school for physically handicapped people -

:18:51. > :18:57.Lee was just one of a large number of young haemophiliacs sent

:18:58. > :19:03.The school had a special unit to treat the condition.

:19:04. > :19:07.72 of those boys have now died after being given a new drug meant

:19:08. > :19:14.I was called over to the haemophilia centre and told that I had been

:19:15. > :19:17.infected with HIV and they didn't know how long I would actually

:19:18. > :19:21.have left because there was no known cure.

:19:22. > :19:25.Do you remember what your reaction was when they told you?

:19:26. > :19:29.It was kind of shock, obviously, just like somebody

:19:30. > :19:38.Because we knew that a batch of treatment was infected,

:19:39. > :19:40.a large number of haemophiliacs at the school were all

:19:41. > :19:48.In my school year, for example, I think I'm the only one left now.

:19:49. > :19:51.Many in the years above and below me, also many of those

:19:52. > :19:58.It is devastating for the community and particularly for that school.

:19:59. > :20:02.Did you feel that you could tell other people about it at the time?

:20:03. > :20:04.No, it was something I kept to myself.

:20:05. > :20:06.I was determined that I was not going to tell anybody

:20:07. > :20:10.I told a couple of close friends, that was it.

:20:11. > :20:17.I kept it to myself. I didn't tell anybody else at all.

:20:18. > :20:19.Lee says he doesn't blame the school or the staff

:20:20. > :20:23.He left and went on to have a career in management.

:20:24. > :20:25.But by the late 90s, he was suffering from

:20:26. > :20:30.He needed a liver transplant and then spent months in hospital

:20:31. > :20:32.being treated for lymphoma, a blood cancer, caused by the other

:20:33. > :20:36.We need to know why it happened because...

:20:37. > :20:44.The more we see, the more it seems something could have

:20:45. > :20:52.I think you need those answers to understand fully

:20:53. > :20:59.why our lives have taken the course they have.

:21:00. > :21:02.Life for severe haemophiliacs like Lee was never easy,

:21:03. > :21:06.but by the start of the 1970s, there was hope.

:21:07. > :21:09.A new drug called Factor VIII restored the ability

:21:10. > :21:16.Britain relied on imports from America and there prisoners

:21:17. > :21:19.and drug addicts were being paid to donate blood

:21:20. > :21:26.Scientists at the National Center for Disease Control in Atlanta today

:21:27. > :21:28.released the results of a study which shows that the lifestyle

:21:29. > :21:31.of some male homosexuals has triggered an epidemic of a rare

:21:32. > :21:38.By 1982, concern was growing over the mysterious new disease

:21:39. > :21:46.linked to the collapse of the immune system.

:21:47. > :21:48.It's definitely transmissible. Just how, I don't know.

:21:49. > :21:58.The effects on families like this has been devastating.

:21:59. > :22:06.Women carry the faulty gene, but it is almost always the male

:22:07. > :22:12.Five brothers in this family were all haemophiliac.

:22:13. > :22:18.Four were infected with contaminated blood, three have now died.

:22:19. > :22:22.Tony was just 14 years old when his dad, Barry, succumbed to Aids.

:22:23. > :22:28.In 2010, he finally got hold of his father's old medical records.

:22:29. > :22:31.This is the first time he is making them public.

:22:32. > :22:33.Through the early 1980s, your father appears to be

:22:34. > :22:38.The hospital treatment became more regular.

:22:39. > :22:40.My father was constantly asking about his prognosis.

:22:41. > :22:51.He was very worried because he was dying of Aids,

:22:52. > :22:53.something that he should never have been exposed to.

:22:54. > :22:58.I only found this out one I was 37 years old,

:22:59. > :23:06.The records show Barry was a mild haemophiliac whose symptoms

:23:07. > :23:11.He might not have needed the new Factor VIII drug

:23:12. > :23:17.As a result, he was infected with hepatitis B, then

:23:18. > :23:22.Entries in the log show doctors were aware he might

:23:23. > :23:27.have the virus two years before he was finally told.

:23:28. > :23:31.My parents split up when I was a baby.

:23:32. > :23:34.Things started to get bad within our family group

:23:35. > :23:38.I couldn't go home, so social services were contacted

:23:39. > :23:48.I was 13 years old, I think, when I was placed in care.

:23:49. > :23:52.Tony was sent to live in children's home as his father's

:23:53. > :23:57.His dad was in hospital in the summer of 1986 when Tony went

:23:58. > :24:07.He had started to lose weight by then, he was really skinny.

:24:08. > :24:11.I do remember my dad asking me for some of my ice cream

:24:12. > :24:14.and I handed it to him at which point one of the nurses

:24:15. > :24:21.intervened and said, you can't give him that.

:24:22. > :24:26.He had blisters in his mouth. They were bleeding.

:24:27. > :24:29.So obviously, I couldn't share an ice cream with my dad

:24:30. > :24:35.Looking back on it now, at the time, I didn't think too much into it,

:24:36. > :24:37.but looking back over it, I was disgusted.

:24:38. > :24:44.I did have physical contact with my dad.

:24:45. > :24:50.I could give him a hug. I said goodbye.

:24:51. > :24:53.Barry's death in 1986 split the family apart.

:24:54. > :24:56.Tony went back into care, his twin brother, David,

:24:57. > :24:58.went to the separate care home in north London.

:24:59. > :25:06.The whole family were only reunited 24 years later.

:25:07. > :25:09.2nd August 2010, that was the first time all our

:25:10. > :25:13.They destroyed my dad with these viruses and then

:25:14. > :25:20.Since Barry's death, two of his brothers,

:25:21. > :25:26.both infected haemophiliacs, have also died.

:25:27. > :25:27.Vincent from an Aids related illness.

:25:28. > :25:29.Dave from a brain haemorrhage linked to hepatitis C.

:25:30. > :25:35.The family, like others, say a full public inquiry is long overdue.

:25:36. > :25:39.The treatment shouldn't kill you, should it?

:25:40. > :25:53.The cafe he used to use, I went in there with him one day

:25:54. > :26:03.How important is it for you now as a family, this talk of public

:26:04. > :26:05.inquiries and getting answers about what caused this

:26:06. > :26:08.and what happened, do you need those answers as a family?

:26:09. > :26:14.I can't move on. I wish I could move on.

:26:15. > :26:20.Unless it is brought out and we get to the bottom

:26:21. > :26:22.of what happened, why it happened, who is going to take responsibility

:26:23. > :26:31.for it happening, how do we know this won't happen again?

:26:32. > :26:34.The UK has dealt with this differently from other countries.

:26:35. > :26:38.In France, a former prime minister was charged with manslaughter

:26:39. > :26:42.Here, there have been two limited investigations,

:26:43. > :26:46.but neither have the powers of a full public inquiry.

:26:47. > :26:50.Families still want to know why we imported Factor VIII from abroad

:26:51. > :26:53.rather than producing it ourselves and why the drug continued to be

:26:54. > :26:55.used even after it was clear there might be a risk

:26:56. > :27:05.In 2015, David Cameron did something no Prime Minister had done before.

:27:06. > :27:08.I would like to say sorry on behalf of the Government for something that

:27:09. > :27:12.No amount of money can ever fully make up for what did happen,

:27:13. > :27:16.but it is vital we move as soon as possible to improve the way

:27:17. > :27:21.payments are made to those affected by this blood.

:27:22. > :27:24.But even after that apology, there was still the question

:27:25. > :27:27.of compensation or financial support for the victims and their families.

:27:28. > :27:30.Again, 30 years later, that is not something that has ever

:27:31. > :27:40.Bob was admitted to hospital on 17th February this year.

:27:41. > :27:42.26 years ago, Sue and Bob were part of a landmark BBC

:27:43. > :27:52.I'm sure nobody wanted this to happen.

:27:53. > :27:54.Having said that, at least it has taught me that it

:27:55. > :28:00.There isn't a lot I can do without making myself breathless

:28:01. > :28:04.Bob, a haemophiliac infected in the 80s, passed away just

:28:05. > :28:13.As a family, as a couple, as individuals, everything we had

:28:14. > :28:14.planned for just went out the window.

:28:15. > :28:17.The life I thought I would be living today is very far removed

:28:18. > :28:23.We would have retired round about the same time,

:28:24. > :28:26.and we would have been able to relax and enjoy ourselves a bit and enjoy

:28:27. > :28:28.the children, and he would have enjoyed his grandchildren.

:28:29. > :28:37.Sue has spent the last 25 years as a campaigner,

:28:38. > :28:40.pushing the Government to explain what happened to her husband

:28:41. > :28:50.She was unimpressed with the then-Prime Minister's

:28:51. > :28:54.If I got David Cameron here now, I would say,

:28:55. > :28:56.What specifically are you talking about?"

:28:57. > :28:59.I don't believe he would have the faintest idea,

:29:00. > :29:07.We have been doing this year in, year out, and there will be people

:29:08. > :29:10.listening to this programme who will say, "They have been

:29:11. > :29:12.banging on about an apology for nearly 30 years,

:29:13. > :29:16.they have got one, and they are still moaning."

:29:17. > :29:19.But an apology is only worth giving and worth taking

:29:20. > :29:28.One major concern is a new financial support scheme for victims

:29:29. > :29:36.The Government says that since that speech in 2015 it has doubled

:29:37. > :29:39.the amount it is spending, but we have seen documents showing

:29:40. > :29:43.under new plans the worst affected will get thousands less

:29:44. > :29:53.Many could even see payments fall as more people qualify.

:29:54. > :29:55.Our analysis shows the planned scheme in England and Northern

:29:56. > :29:58.Ireland would pay out inevitably less than in Scotland and Wales.

:29:59. > :30:00.The widow of an HIV-positive haemophiliac in Scotland,

:30:01. > :30:02.for example, will receive more than ?27,000 every year.

:30:03. > :30:09.In England, just one single one-off payment of ?10,000.

:30:10. > :30:17.They are payments that people rely on to pay mortgages, rent,

:30:18. > :30:19.feed their families, and if that sounds dramatic,

:30:20. > :30:21.I don't make an apology, because it is true.

:30:22. > :30:25.Bob could have been sitting next to someone at clinic and both

:30:26. > :30:29.of them had treatment from the same batch, both infected on the same

:30:30. > :30:32.day, with the same viruses, and yet because his friend moved

:30:33. > :30:35.to Scotland and Bob stayed in England, you get this huge

:30:36. > :30:45.Last month, the influential Haemophilia Society called

:30:46. > :30:50.for a full public inquiry into the scandal, joining

:30:51. > :30:54.For the moment, that is something the Government in Westminster says

:30:55. > :30:57.is unnecessary and could delay those support payments.

:30:58. > :31:00.What makes you now still want to question it,

:31:01. > :31:06.The more we have found out, the more there is to question.

:31:07. > :31:09.The deeper in we get, we think, what is really behind this?

:31:10. > :31:16.People must have seen what was going on, they must have

:31:17. > :31:19.seen that people were watching the haemophiliacs develop Aids.

:31:20. > :31:39.Thank you for your comments. A viewer on Facebook says my father

:31:40. > :31:43.died through contaminated blood products and we are still fighting

:31:44. > :31:50.for justice. Jackie says the victims of contaminated land...

:31:51. > :32:06.Later in the programme we'll speak to one politician who's calling

:32:07. > :32:16.A life extending breast cancer drug that is deemed too expensive

:32:17. > :32:19.in England is being made available on the NHS in Scotland.

:32:20. > :32:23.We'll be getting reaction from patients and campaigners.

:32:24. > :32:26.More people were put to death in China last year than in the whole

:32:27. > :32:35.of the rest of the world - that's according to a new report -

:32:36. > :32:40.We'll talk to a former executioner who tells us why he no longer

:32:41. > :32:44.believes in the death penalty. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:32:45. > :32:47.with a summary of today's news. More than 900 adult social care

:32:48. > :32:50.workers a day quit their job in England last year,

:32:51. > :32:52.according to new figures. Of these, 60% left

:32:53. > :32:54.the profession entirely. Care providers say that growing

:32:55. > :32:58.staff shortages mean vulnerable people are receiving poorer levels

:32:59. > :33:02.of care, and the UK Care Association claims the system

:33:03. > :33:05.is "close to collapse". The Government says an extra

:33:06. > :33:07.?2 billion is being A 30 9 -year-old accused of killing

:33:08. > :33:33.4 people in an attack in stock has accepted his detention. -- 39

:33:34. > :33:38.-year-old. Theresa May and Donald Trump have

:33:39. > :33:41.agreed there's "a window of opportunity" to persuade Russia

:33:42. > :33:43.to abandon its support for The US Secretary of State,

:33:44. > :33:47.Rex Tillerson, will travel to Moscow later today to meet

:33:48. > :33:49.with his Russian counterpart. Before that foreign ministers

:33:50. > :33:51.from the G7 group of nations will continue to meet in Italy

:33:52. > :33:54.to try to agree a co-ordinated An eight-year-old child

:33:55. > :33:57.and his teacher have been killed after a shooting

:33:58. > :34:00.at a school in California. The gunman went into the school

:34:01. > :34:02.in San Bernardino yesterday and opened fire in his estranged

:34:03. > :34:04.wife's classroom, A second pupil is in a critical

:34:05. > :34:07.condition after being shot by the man, who police say had

:34:08. > :34:10.a criminal history, including domestic violence

:34:11. > :34:15.and weapons charges. The victims of a scandal

:34:16. > :34:17.in which the NHS used contaminated blood products to treat thousands

:34:18. > :34:20.of patients in the 70s and 80s say a new government support

:34:21. > :34:25.scheme is "shameful". Under the scheme, the widow

:34:26. > :34:27.of an HIV positive haemophiliac in England could receive tens

:34:28. > :34:30.of thousands of pounds a year less than someone living

:34:31. > :34:35.in Wales or Scotland. The NHS infected thousands of

:34:36. > :34:38.people, many of them haemophiliacs with HIV and hepatitis in one

:34:39. > :34:40.of the worst scandals A camp housing 1,500 migrants

:34:41. > :34:49.in northern France has been At least ten people have been

:34:50. > :34:52.injured at the camp, near the port of Dunkirk,

:34:53. > :34:54.which was home to The blaze was started

:34:55. > :34:58.after a fight between residents, Numbers staying at the camp have

:34:59. > :35:02.grown since the closure of the much larger Jungle camp

:35:03. > :35:09.near Calais last year. That's a summary of

:35:10. > :35:24.the latest BBC News. Back to give Victoria. Inflation

:35:25. > :35:28.figures are just out, in March, the rate was 2 points 3%, those figures

:35:29. > :35:34.in from the Office of National Statistics, the same as it was in

:35:35. > :35:34.February, consumer prices inflation, unchanged from the reading in

:35:35. > :35:46.February. The headline this morning, Arsenal

:35:47. > :35:53.still 7 points off the top four, suffering their biggest defeat of

:35:54. > :35:57.the season, 3- 0 to Crystal Palace. Arsene Wenger says uncertainty over

:35:58. > :36:01.his future isn't affecting players but former player Ian Wright says he

:36:02. > :36:05.has lost the dressing room. Claudio Ranieri says he never lost the

:36:06. > :36:09.dressing room at Leicester and speaking publicly about his sacking

:36:10. > :36:13.the 1st time he told Sky Sports there wasn't a revolt but someone

:36:14. > :36:18.else behind-the-scenes might have been working against him. After

:36:19. > :36:21.time-out with an elbow injury Andy Murray appeared on Court playing

:36:22. > :36:24.against Roger Federer and says he might be fit for the start of the

:36:25. > :36:27.clay-court season in Monte Carlo next week. Those are the headlines,

:36:28. > :36:30.I'll be back in about 30 minutes. A life extending breast cancer drug

:36:31. > :36:32.rejected as too expensive for England and Wales is going to be

:36:33. > :36:35.made available for The drug Kadcyla can help those

:36:36. > :36:40.with incurable breast cancer, known as HER-2, live a little

:36:41. > :36:43.longer, but it's really And that means NICE,

:36:44. > :36:49.the body responsible for deciding which treatments are cost

:36:50. > :36:54.effective for the NHS, has decided it should

:36:55. > :36:56.no longer be available to NHS patients in England and Wales

:36:57. > :36:59.from June this year. It's an issue we investigated

:37:00. > :37:15.earlier this year. The amount of good quality time and

:37:16. > :37:20.the amount of time my family expected to have of me has been cut

:37:21. > :37:25.down. It's incredibly unfair, when you are told you have cancer at this

:37:26. > :37:30.young age, you think why me, why have I been singled out to get this

:37:31. > :37:32.bad luck? And to be told that a drug is taken away from you could extend

:37:33. > :37:52.your life, it's unfair... A decision by a consultancy means

:37:53. > :37:53.the drug could be available in Scotland but not in England and

:37:54. > :37:57.Wales. campaigned for Kadcyla

:37:58. > :37:58.to be made available. Alison Tait is a breast cancer

:37:59. > :38:01.patient in Edinburgh who has campaigned for Kadcyla

:38:02. > :38:03.to be made available. Janine Brook is a breast cancer

:38:04. > :38:05.patient in Nottingham who says Kadcyla gave her years

:38:06. > :38:07.of extra quality life. In the studio Fiona Hazell,

:38:08. > :38:17.director of policy and engagement Allassani had been campaigning for

:38:18. > :38:25.this, how do you feel. Really delighted for the and about the

:38:26. > :38:28.outcome. -- Alison. We've been able to influence them to give a positive

:38:29. > :38:33.result for women in Scotland and hopefully pave the way for something

:38:34. > :38:38.firmer -- similar for women in the rest of the UK. The drug is

:38:39. > :38:44.expensive, do you think this is a valid way of spending taxpayers

:38:45. > :38:48.money? I have to say yes, of course, it's like extending for myself, I

:38:49. > :38:51.think you would get a really great answer to that if you asked my

:38:52. > :38:56.daughter or my parents. It absolutely is, the women that I know

:38:57. > :39:00.who suffer from the same type of cancer that I have seen to be fairly

:39:01. > :39:06.young, they have young families, it's not so much about me but it's

:39:07. > :39:10.about my family and children and by Terence and absolutely, we need to

:39:11. > :39:15.give them that quality of life for them and for me, it's not just about

:39:16. > :39:19.myself. I am going to bring in Fiona, let's look at how it's being

:39:20. > :39:23.made available in Scotland but not England and Wales. The Scottish

:39:24. > :39:28.medicines Consortium say and I quote... We were able to accept it

:39:29. > :39:33.on resubmission because the company offered an improved patient access

:39:34. > :39:36.scheme, a confidential discount that improves the cost effectiveness of a

:39:37. > :39:42.medicine. We don't know the cause but they've agreed but that is

:39:43. > :39:48.obviously key, isn't it? Absolutely. It's great news for women like

:39:49. > :39:52.Alison in Scotland who suffer from this type of breast cancer, there

:39:53. > :39:56.aren't many options for them, we understand the Company has offered

:39:57. > :40:00.significant discounts to make it happen and I think it's important to

:40:01. > :40:08.emphasise that the FMC has listened to the voices of patients and their

:40:09. > :40:13.friends that signed a petition and have listened to the clinicians that

:40:14. > :40:18.want to make the drug available because it's effective. -- SMC. It

:40:19. > :40:23.gives women like Alison many more months and in some cases years with

:40:24. > :40:30.their families and as Alison says, the drug which is targeting the

:40:31. > :40:36.breast cancer that Alison has, tends to affect younger women who have

:40:37. > :40:43.families and so this is an important drug for them and it offers limited

:40:44. > :40:47.options. The same deal that has been struck between the company and

:40:48. > :40:52.Scotland could be struck between the company and the NHS. I must

:40:53. > :40:57.emphasise some of the reporting today says Kadcyla is not available

:40:58. > :40:59.in England but it is, nice are currently reviewing and appraising

:41:00. > :41:03.whether it should continue to be available. The recommendation from

:41:04. > :41:07.the draft consultation is that it should be withdrawn. The current

:41:08. > :41:14.recommendation is that unless a deal can be done that is what will happen

:41:15. > :41:20.however we know that both nice and comfy working hard to come a deal,

:41:21. > :41:24.we would urge them to work hard and follow the example of the targeted

:41:25. > :41:28.in Scotland and give women in England and Wales and Northern

:41:29. > :41:33.Ireland the opportunity to access this drug, it's really important for

:41:34. > :41:38.women with breast cancer. Jenin, good morning. I gather it's your

:41:39. > :41:43.40th birthday today. Happy birthday. Thank you and this is a year that I

:41:44. > :41:49.never thought I would see. Thanks to Kadcyla, I am here today. How does

:41:50. > :41:54.that feel? Amazing. If you asked me several years ago if I would make it

:41:55. > :41:59.to my 40th I would probably say no but the cause of the amount of drugs

:42:00. > :42:07.that I have had, I have benefited from several drugs, 1 taken off the

:42:08. > :42:12.cancer drug front and Kadcyla I had an drugs trial and I was on this for

:42:13. > :42:16.over two years and the important thing for me, and many other women,

:42:17. > :42:22.is that without these drugs, you wouldn't get so long, years, and you

:42:23. > :42:26.wouldn't be eligible for drugs trials. It's not just about Kadcyla

:42:27. > :42:31.giving us years or months, it's about what's next, getting there and

:42:32. > :42:35.being there for your family and friends and still surviving. It's

:42:36. > :42:41.actually living with breast cancer and not dying from it that

:42:42. > :42:47.important. You believe Kadcyla has given you at least 2 1/2 years extra

:42:48. > :42:49.of your life. The average is 9 months but it's important to know

:42:50. > :42:55.there are women like you who are living for years with that.

:42:56. > :42:58.Absolutely, it is. I know quite a pew people who successfully been on

:42:59. > :43:02.this drug for years, and were not talking months, we are talking years

:43:03. > :43:08.of good quality life and I have carried on working, raising my

:43:09. > :43:12.children, I'm going to see important milestones, my eldest daughter go to

:43:13. > :43:16.secondary school and Timmy, I still feel well today and this is

:43:17. > :43:21.important, I'm not dying with secondary breast cancer, I'm alive,

:43:22. > :43:26.living, I have reached 40 and I am determined I am going to reach 45.

:43:27. > :43:30.Do you think the decision in Scotland will influence or the deal

:43:31. > :43:34.that's been struck in Scotland will influence what could happen in

:43:35. > :43:39.England? I really hope it will. They've only got to look at people

:43:40. > :43:43.like me and other people, to see that it's worth the money, it's not

:43:44. > :43:48.just keeping people here 4 months, it's years. I don't believe you can

:43:49. > :43:55.actually put a price on this at all and I really hope this will pave the

:43:56. > :43:59.way to routinely keep Kadcyla on the NHS in England and Wales. It has to,

:44:00. > :44:04.so many people can benefit from this drug and I feel so passionately

:44:05. > :44:07.about this drug, they need to listen and know that it's not about these

:44:08. > :44:12.months and I hope I'll still be alive in 10 years time because of

:44:13. > :44:16.Kadcyla and the years it's given me, to fill that gap to get me onto

:44:17. > :44:22.other drugs and the scientists are working so hard to bring out other

:44:23. > :44:27.targeted drugs that we need to be here to see these drugs get licensed

:44:28. > :44:31.and moving forward. Nice say they would like to be able to support the

:44:32. > :44:35.routine use of Kadcyla on the NHS and we are open to an approach from

:44:36. > :44:38.the company about how they can make this happen, they've been in touch

:44:39. > :44:45.with us and we are arranging a further meeting with them during the

:44:46. > :44:49.consultation period. Alison, doctors I think it can't give you an exact

:44:50. > :44:54.prognosis but what does the decision in Scotland mean for your future

:44:55. > :45:00.treatment? For me it gives me a great deal of hope and positive

:45:01. > :45:07.outlook for my future at the moment, I am on a different treatment, when

:45:08. > :45:10.that starts to control my disease, the spread the continuation, Kadcyla

:45:11. > :45:16.is potentially a drug that be offered to me. This gives me a

:45:17. > :45:19.massive amount of hope, a bit like your last speaker, it's not just

:45:20. > :45:24.another 5 years down the line but it could be 10 years, that means I

:45:25. > :45:27.could see my daughter's 21st, see her get married, the options for me

:45:28. > :45:32.are massive. It's not just about those months, as your last speaker

:45:33. > :45:37.said it's everything else that comes along with that, the future of other

:45:38. > :45:41.treatments, the testing I could get involved in, trials, developing more

:45:42. > :45:47.and more options to help people survive with this and see it as a

:45:48. > :45:53.critical illness rather than a terminal disease. Thank you Alison

:45:54. > :46:00.in Edinburgh, Janine Brooke in Nottingham and Fiona. Thank you all.

:46:01. > :46:03.Coming up, the parents of a desperately ill eight-month-old

:46:04. > :46:06.baby will find out today if he will be taken off life support

:46:07. > :46:13.or allowed to travel to America for experimental treatment.

:46:14. > :46:16.We'll speak to one mother who had to make a similar heartbreaking

:46:17. > :46:19.decision. North Korea has warned

:46:20. > :46:22.that it is ready for war. Its foreign ministry has issued

:46:23. > :46:24.a statement calling America "reckless" and "outrageous"

:46:25. > :46:26.for sending a naval It comes amid growing

:46:27. > :46:30.international concerns over In a moment we'll speak

:46:31. > :46:37.to a North Korean defector, But first, let's take a look

:46:38. > :47:24.at what we know about the country. We can now speak to Ji Hyun Park

:47:25. > :49:36.who is in Salford. She's a North Korean defector

:49:37. > :49:39.now living in the UK. Jean H Lee is a global

:49:40. > :49:44.fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center

:49:45. > :49:46.for Scholars in America. She spent three years

:49:47. > :49:48.in the North Korean capital, Pyongyang, as bureau chief

:49:49. > :50:04.for the Associated Press, and joins Jean H Lee, North Korea says it will

:50:05. > :50:14.defend itself by powerful force of arms. What do you think that means?

:50:15. > :50:17.The arrival of the strike group to Korean waters gives the North

:50:18. > :50:23.Koreans the excuse to defend themselves. They will use this as an

:50:24. > :50:26.opportunity to test another nuclear device or perhaps test another

:50:27. > :50:30.ballistic missile. It is possible that they won't, but what they do is

:50:31. > :50:35.this rhetoric to sort of bring the people together and give them

:50:36. > :50:41.something to unite around and you know the threat of an outside force

:50:42. > :50:46.or outsider is always something that will bring people together and the

:50:47. > :50:51.North Koreans will use this to their advantage. Should the West take the

:50:52. > :50:56.rhetoric seriously? We do see this rhetoric this time of year, every

:50:57. > :51:01.year, this year in particular because it's the 105th anniversary

:51:02. > :51:05.of the founder of the birth of the founder of North Korea so they have

:51:06. > :51:11.additional reason to try to rally the people together. You know, one

:51:12. > :51:18.of the things that we're really concerned about those of us watching

:51:19. > :51:21.North Korea is the pace of the development of ballistic and nuclear

:51:22. > :51:26.missiles. We haven't seen this pace under previous leaders. Every time

:51:27. > :51:29.they test launch a missile or an engine they are testing and

:51:30. > :51:35.improving that technology and it gets them closer to being able to

:51:36. > :51:40.put a hydrogen nuclear bomb on a missile that's designed to strike

:51:41. > :51:47.the United States. You know, news inside north cordeeia

:51:48. > :51:50.is tightly controlled. There is one state media broadcasts propaganda,

:51:51. > :51:59.will the people of North Korea were aware of these movements by the US

:52:00. > :52:05.naval fleet? Can you explain again? I can't hear you properly. Do you

:52:06. > :52:10.think the people inside North Korea will be aware that the US naval

:52:11. > :52:20.fleet has moved into the Korean peninsula? Yes, inside North Korea,

:52:21. > :52:28.North Korea always brain washes and America is the enemy country and the

:52:29. > :52:41.North Korean Government brain washes the North Korean defectors. How

:52:42. > :52:45.seriously do you think we should take North Korea's statement that it

:52:46. > :52:53.will defend itself by, "Powerful force of arms"? When I lived within

:52:54. > :53:00.North Korea, I believed that North Korea is a strong country in our

:53:01. > :53:07.world and why we get nuclear wepons and the missiles, but now days I

:53:08. > :53:12.understand it is totally wrong because it is not only America and

:53:13. > :53:17.South Korea problem, it is a world problem. Jean, in terms of North

:53:18. > :53:20.Korea's nuclear programme, we have seen obviously the testing of

:53:21. > :53:31.various weapons, but how advanced is it? North Korea has made these

:53:32. > :53:36.nuclear devices small enough and in the last test they say they had

:53:37. > :53:39.standardised the militarisation of these nuclear bombs which means they

:53:40. > :53:43.may have made a number of them and they may have a number of nuclear

:53:44. > :53:47.bombs at their disposal to continue testing. So aside from the threat of

:53:48. > :53:50.proliferation, not to mention a nuclear attack I would wonder about

:53:51. > :53:55.the issue of nuclear safety and security. This is a country that

:53:56. > :53:59.kicked out international inspectors years ago so there is nobody really

:54:00. > :54:02.safeguarding this. Nobody in the international world really

:54:03. > :54:12.safeguarding and make sure that this highly dangerous nuclear material is

:54:13. > :54:15.being kept safe. I just wanted to go back, these nuclear weapons are

:54:16. > :54:20.something the regime wants their people to be proud of. This is a

:54:21. > :54:23.small, poor country and these nuclear weapons are command the

:54:24. > :54:25.world's attention of the it is happening right now and this is

:54:26. > :54:29.something that they can really parade to their people and tell

:54:30. > :54:32.their people to be proud of. So, at a time when they didn't have enough

:54:33. > :54:37.to eat, they have power shortages, this is something that they can ral

:54:38. > :54:42.yu around and so for us to understand how much of a part it

:54:43. > :54:45.plays in their propaganda and sort of instilling a sense of pride in

:54:46. > :54:51.the people and that tells us how unwilling they are going to be to

:54:52. > :54:57.give that up. You said it was brain washing. So people have no choice,

:54:58. > :54:59.but to be proud of the nuclear developments in North Korea, is that

:55:00. > :55:06.right? Yes. When I lived within North Korea

:55:07. > :55:12.I lectured about the nuclear weapons. We learned about that and

:55:13. > :55:16.the Government taught us why we get the nuclear weapons, but at that

:55:17. > :55:21.time, I didn't understand that this was, the nuclear weapons were

:55:22. > :55:28.dangerous. But now a days I learned that this one is not only South

:55:29. > :55:31.Korea and America problems, so many North Korean people, they still

:55:32. > :55:36.believe about that because they don't, they never heard about the

:55:37. > :55:42.outside news and because in North Korea it is only one channel TV and

:55:43. > :55:47.the one newspaper and on the news it is always about the propaganda

:55:48. > :55:51.issues and they never write about why we don't use the nuclear

:55:52. > :56:00.weapons. Yes, so many people they still don't know that yet. Thank you

:56:01. > :56:06.very much, both of you. Thank you. Thank you for your comments about

:56:07. > :56:11.our first report this morning, the fact that thousands of haemophiliacs

:56:12. > :56:15.and others actually who were contaminated with dirty blood when

:56:16. > :56:22.they were treated on the NHS 30 years ago are waiting for justice.

:56:23. > :56:26.Ronan says, "My family have been torn apart by this. We lost mum in

:56:27. > :56:30.November 2015. We can't move on and we do want justice." I will read

:56:31. > :56:31.some more in the next hour in the programme when we talk about it

:56:32. > :56:35.further. Let's get the latest

:56:36. > :56:44.weather update with Phil. Good morning to you. A rather mixed

:56:45. > :56:50.bag of weather across the British Isles. It is difficult to know what

:56:51. > :56:55.face to put on for you really. Wet and windy in the north. Elsewhere,

:56:56. > :56:58.it is really a decent spring day. If you can get yourself far away from

:56:59. > :57:05.the front, the weather looks like that. Closer to those weather

:57:06. > :57:09.fronts, fArn faring well, if you were further north and west again,

:57:10. > :57:13.it will be one of those days. The weather front not moving very fast

:57:14. > :57:17.into the middle part of the afternoon of the it is not all doom

:57:18. > :57:21.and gloom. The southern counties of England and Wales faring nicely. I'm

:57:22. > :57:24.sure somewhere in the South East could be looking at 15, 16 Celsius

:57:25. > :57:27.and possibly 17 Celsius. Not too much in the way of breeze. Generally

:57:28. > :57:31.speaking, as you drift your way towards the weather fronts the cloud

:57:32. > :57:35.increases for the north of England and southern parts of Scotland. Even

:57:36. > :57:38.here, there will be brightness. That will be in short supply as you can

:57:39. > :57:41.imagine with the wet and windy combination dominating the scene

:57:42. > :57:43.north of the great glen and through the Western Isles and maybe the

:57:44. > :57:47.Northern Isles will buck up as the day goes on. Through the evening and

:57:48. > :57:50.overnight, we will keep the area of low pressure close by to the north

:57:51. > :57:53.of Scotland. Notice the number of isobars the wind a feature in the

:57:54. > :57:56.north of Scotland throughout the course of the night. During

:57:57. > :58:00.Wednesday, that weather front has the good grace to move further south

:58:01. > :58:04.weakening all the while. Gardeners if you need rain in the southern

:58:05. > :58:07.counties, this is not the feature for you. A fresher feel and

:58:08. > :58:11.brightness and sunny spells and showers. A word to the wise for

:58:12. > :58:13.gardeners, it could be a chilly night, Wednesday night into

:58:14. > :58:18.Thursday. That's the towns and cities. Cooler in the countryside.

:58:19. > :58:22.Thursday is a mixture again of a fair amount of dry weather around,

:58:23. > :58:25.but no doubt about it, again it's the north western quarter of the

:58:26. > :58:31.British Isles that gets the real peppering of showers if not longer

:58:32. > :58:40.spells of rain. I've changed the day into Good Friday the we are moving

:58:41. > :58:43.towards the weekend. So no heatwave, but the temperatures not too bad for

:58:44. > :58:47.the time of year. And then into Saturday, we've got that area of low

:58:48. > :58:50.pressure still close by to the northern parts of Scotland. Isobars

:58:51. > :58:55.tightly packed there. So breezy fair, the wind in from the wes and

:58:56. > :58:59.north-west and looking across the piste, it is a day of showers, if

:59:00. > :59:03.not the odd longer spell of rain with sunshine in short supply. So

:59:04. > :59:07.the Easter weekend, oh dear, it doesn't start very well, does it? If

:59:08. > :59:11.you hang on in there to Easter day, it is looking to be a drier,

:59:12. > :59:15.brighter affair across many parts of the British Isles. Whether we keep

:59:16. > :59:23.it going until Monday, you have to wait and see.

:59:24. > :59:26.It's one of the most serious NHS scandals.

:59:27. > :59:28.Haemophiliacs are suffering from hepatitis and HIV

:59:29. > :59:29.because they were treated with contaminated blood

:59:30. > :59:45.This programme has learned that a new support scheme will leave some

:59:46. > :59:52.worse off than others. We need to know why this has happened, how did

:59:53. > :59:54.this happen? The more we see, the more we think something could have

:59:55. > :59:57.been done about it, we need those answers.

:59:58. > :59:59.China executed more people than the rest of the world put

:00:00. > :00:02.together last year - according to a human rights group -

:00:03. > :00:04.we hear from a man who used to administer the death penalty

:00:05. > :00:09.before deciding to campaign against it.

:00:10. > :00:18.I have been trying to take a life under very narrow circumstances so

:00:19. > :00:23.taking someone's life was not a foreign notion to me. But I do not

:00:24. > :00:25.believe in taking anyone's life under any circumstance when there

:00:26. > :00:29.are reasonable alternatives. United Airlines has just gone

:00:30. > :00:31.through one PR battle over how it We'll be asking how the company can

:00:32. > :00:59.recover its reputation and speaking to a former airline boss

:01:00. > :01:01.about the rise in companies The main suspect in last week's

:01:02. > :01:20.Stockholm lorry attack has admitted Four people died in the attack,

:01:21. > :01:23.and 15 were injured, when a lorry ploughed

:01:24. > :01:25.into a crowded shopping street. The lawyer for Rakhmat Akilov,

:01:26. > :01:27.a 39-year-old Uzbek, told a court hearing in Stockholm

:01:28. > :01:29.that his client 'confesses to a terrorist crime

:01:30. > :01:33.and accepts his detention.' More than 900 adult social care

:01:34. > :01:36.workers a day quit their job in England last year,

:01:37. > :01:38.according to new figures. Of these, 60% left

:01:39. > :01:41.the profession entirely. Care providers say that growing

:01:42. > :01:43.staff shortages mean vulnerable people are receiving poorer levels

:01:44. > :01:46.of care, and the UK Care Association claims the system

:01:47. > :01:50.is "close to collapse". The government says an extra

:01:51. > :02:14.two billion pounds is being The UK inflation rate has remained

:02:15. > :02:20.stable partly thanks to the fall in the pound and the Brexit Ford which

:02:21. > :02:29.has raised import prices. -- Brexit fold.

:02:30. > :02:31.Theresa May and Donald Trump have agreed there's "a window

:02:32. > :02:33.of opportunity" to persuade Russia to abandon its support for

:02:34. > :02:37.The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, will travel

:02:38. > :02:39.to Moscow later today to meet with his Russian counterpart.

:02:40. > :02:41.Before that foreign ministers from the G7 group of nations

:02:42. > :02:44.will continue to meet in Italy to try to agree a co-ordinated

:02:45. > :02:48.An 8-year-old child and his teacher have been killed after a shooting

:02:49. > :02:52.The gunman went into the school in San Bernardino yesterday

:02:53. > :02:53.and opened fire in his estranged wife's classroom,

:02:54. > :02:57.A second pupil is in a critical condition after being shot

:02:58. > :02:59.by the man, who police say had a criminal history,

:03:00. > :03:10.including domestic violence and weapons charges.

:03:11. > :03:13.A camp housing fifteen hundred migrants in northern France has been

:03:14. > :03:16.At least 10 people have been injured at the camp,

:03:17. > :03:18.near the port of Dunkirk, which was home to

:03:19. > :03:21.The blaze was started after a fight between residents,

:03:22. > :03:25.Numbers staying at the camp have grown since the closure of the much

:03:26. > :03:30.larger 'Jungle' camp near Calais last year.

:03:31. > :03:37.The victims of a scandal in which the NHS used contaminated blood

:03:38. > :03:42.products to treat patients in the 70s and 80s the government support

:03:43. > :03:45.scheme is shameful. Under the scheme the widow of an HIV-positive

:03:46. > :03:49.haemophiliac in England could receive tens of thousands of pounds

:03:50. > :03:58.a year 1 living in Wales or Scotland. The NHS treated in the

:03:59. > :04:04.Philly is with blood contaminated with HIV and hepatitis. Gavin on

:04:05. > :04:09.Facebook says I'm David Dunn, infected with hepatitis C, I am aged

:04:10. > :04:22.36 and there is no justice and we want a full public inquiry. -- I am

:04:23. > :04:26.a victim. If you are getting in touch, you are welcome. These are

:04:27. > :04:29.the ways to get in touch, you can see them at the bottom of your

:04:30. > :04:35.screen. Here is Ollie with the sport. Ian Wright says Arsen Wenger

:04:36. > :04:39.has lost the dressing room, The Gunners slumping to their biggest

:04:40. > :04:44.league defeat of the season losing 3- 0 at Crystal Palace, remaining 7

:04:45. > :04:52.points off the top four. -- Arsene Wenger. He still won't reveal what

:04:53. > :04:59.decision he has made about his future but says the uncertainty

:05:00. > :05:03.isn't a fact the players. I face that in every press Conference,

:05:04. > :05:12.tonight I am not in the mood to speak about that. When do you think

:05:13. > :05:17.you will... I think at the moment, I paid more respect to the fact that

:05:18. > :05:23.it is a disappointing result and focus on that and not find as well

:05:24. > :05:27.excuses but I am not excusing... Claudio Ranieri said he never lost

:05:28. > :05:31.the dressing room at Leicester and the rumoured players revolt wasn't

:05:32. > :05:36.to blame for his sacking. Speaking publicly put the 1st time about his

:05:37. > :05:38.dismissal in February the Italian says someone might have been working

:05:39. > :05:43.behind-the-scenes to push him out but not the players. They delivered

:05:44. > :05:49.the Premier League title just 9 months earlier. Finally it was only

:05:50. > :05:52.a charity match but there was a welcome return for Andy Murray last

:05:53. > :05:57.night. The world number 1 who missed the past month with an elbow injury

:05:58. > :06:01.was playing in Zurich against Roger Federer, he lost the match, it was

:06:02. > :06:04.all very light-hearted, but he's announced he could be said for the

:06:05. > :06:11.start of the clay-court season which is next week in Monte Carlo! That is

:06:12. > :06:16.all for now. I will be back later. 6 minutes past 10, good morning.

:06:17. > :06:26.Thousands of people infected with HIV and hepatitis as a result of NHS

:06:27. > :06:30.treatment in the 1970s and 80s. Dozens of pupils were infected at a

:06:31. > :06:34.school in Hampshire, treated with dirty blood, 72 of them have since

:06:35. > :06:39.died, their families still seeking decades later a public inquiry into

:06:40. > :06:45.the scandal, how it happened and why. Now victims tell this programme

:06:46. > :06:47.a new support scheme planned by the government could leave many

:06:48. > :06:52.struggling to pay mortgages and bills. Under the scheme the widow of

:06:53. > :06:56.an HIV-positive in the Philly act in England could receive tens of

:06:57. > :07:00.thousands of pounds a year less and someone living in Wales or Scotland.

:07:01. > :07:05.Our reporter Jim Reid has spoken to 3 people affected by the scandal, we

:07:06. > :07:13.brought you the full film earlier but here's a short extract. Just

:07:14. > :07:18.appear on the left... Carry on. Lee is 48 and a haemophiliac, a

:07:19. > :07:23.condition which means blood doesn't clot properly. This is his 1st TV

:07:24. > :07:28.interview, some of his close family don't know he's been HIV-positive

:07:29. > :07:32.since childhood. I went to a normal school at the age of 11, they

:07:33. > :07:35.thought it would be better if I was sent to boarding school for

:07:36. > :07:41.physically handicapped people. It's a college based in Hampshire. He was

:07:42. > :07:46.1 of a large number of young haemophiliacs sent here in the early

:07:47. > :07:50.80s, 72 of those boys have now died after being given a new drug meant

:07:51. > :07:54.to improve their lives. There is no suggestion the school was to blame

:07:55. > :07:58.for what happened. I was told I'd been infected with HIV and they

:07:59. > :08:04.didn't know how long I would have left because there was no known

:08:05. > :08:10.cure. You were 16, 17 at the time? Do you remember your reaction? It

:08:11. > :08:15.was kind of shock, obviously, Dykes and being told they had cancer,

:08:16. > :08:19.that's what it felt like me. At the start of the 1970s there was hope

:08:20. > :08:24.haemophiliacs, a drug called factor 8 but there was a major problem,

:08:25. > :08:28.Britain on imports from America and their prisoners were paid to donate

:08:29. > :08:33.blood, this just as the HIV virus started to take hold. The effect on

:08:34. > :08:39.families like this has been devastating. Haemophilia is a

:08:40. > :08:44.genetic condition, women carried the faulty gene but it's almost always

:08:45. > :08:51.the male side that is affected. Tony was just 14 when his dad Barry, a

:08:52. > :08:56.haemophiliac, died from aids. Things started to get bad within the family

:08:57. > :09:01.group Custer was unwell. I couldn't go home so social services were

:09:02. > :09:06.contacted and I was placed in care. I was 13 years old when I was placed

:09:07. > :09:13.in care, they destroyed my dad with this virus and they watched Stanley

:09:14. > :09:17.crumble. A major concern now is a new financial support scheme for big

:09:18. > :09:22.arms and their families, the government says it is doubling the

:09:23. > :09:25.amount it spending since 2015 but you've seen documents showing under

:09:26. > :09:28.new plans the worst affected will get thousands of pounds less than

:09:29. > :09:37.1st promised, any could see payments falling. 26 years ago Sue and Bob

:09:38. > :09:43.were part of a landmark BBC documentary about HIV. As a family,

:09:44. > :09:48.a couple, individuals, it meant everything we planned for went out

:09:49. > :09:52.the window. Sue has spent the last 25 years as a campaigner, pushing

:09:53. > :09:57.the government to explain what happened to her husband and others

:09:58. > :10:01.like him. The more we found out, the deeper in we get, we think, my God,

:10:02. > :10:07.what is really behind this? They must have seen that they were

:10:08. > :10:11.watching haemophiliacs develop aids but why didn't anyone stop it? We

:10:12. > :10:15.ask the Department of Health for an interview but they said no. We can

:10:16. > :10:22.speak to two survivors of the blood contamination scandal, Mark who is

:10:23. > :10:26.talking to us from his bed and Andy, both infected with HIV when treated

:10:27. > :10:31.as children for their haemophilia, and eat when he was 5, Mark when he

:10:32. > :10:38.was 7. Baroness Meacher is here as well. Calling for a public inquiry.

:10:39. > :10:43.Thank you also much for talking to us. Mark, it you are in bed as a

:10:44. > :10:51.direct result of the effect of HIV, is that correct? Yes and no, it's

:10:52. > :11:00.the haemophilia impacted by the HIV. Explain to our audience what it's

:11:01. > :11:03.like 4 years, living with this? It's like you are constantly walking

:11:04. > :11:15.around with somebody pointing a loaded gun to your head under this

:11:16. > :11:21.dark cloud. Because, why? Because of the stories that were coming out of

:11:22. > :11:24.the United States as well as here in the UK and peoples homes being

:11:25. > :11:29.attacked, you lived in constant fear. When we were told, the doctors

:11:30. > :11:34.discussed HIV with my parents, because I was too young, they

:11:35. > :11:41.basically said to them in so many words, don't tell anybody that

:11:42. > :11:49.doesn't need to know. Because we can't guarantee your safety. Because

:11:50. > :11:55.of the stigma surrounding HIV? Yes, in the early days of the aids

:11:56. > :12:00.crisis, we are talking, broad panic, I didn't know if I was going to be

:12:01. > :12:04.able to go to school, my parents had to meet with the headmaster and some

:12:05. > :12:14.of the School trustees. To even allow me to continue schooling. What

:12:15. > :12:21.is the issue today for you, now? The issue is we've never been told why

:12:22. > :12:29.or how this happened. And if I could take 1 moment, I was born in 1969

:12:30. > :12:36.but in 1958, Doctor Garrett Alan warned about the use of mass food

:12:37. > :12:39.blood products and he turned the phrase the prison effect because

:12:40. > :12:46.they were using what he deemed as skid Row donors. There are was

:12:47. > :12:52.warnings 11 years before I was born, many, many years before I even came

:12:53. > :12:55.to get factor a treatment there have been deaths within haemophilia, they

:12:56. > :13:03.knew the treatment was potentially fatal because of hepatitis viruses,

:13:04. > :13:08.hepatitis B was already being flagged up by other programmes and

:13:09. > :13:16.haemophiliacs had died before again, I got the treatment. But they still

:13:17. > :13:21.went ahead and used it and... You need to know why? Yes. We are

:13:22. > :13:26.potentially looking at now, over 2000 haemophiliacs die, almost the

:13:27. > :13:31.equivalent of 5 jumbo jets. If 1 jumbo jet crashed today they would

:13:32. > :13:35.be an investigation of the finest detail to make sure it never happens

:13:36. > :13:40.again. But with the haemophiliac community Experian much like with

:13:41. > :13:46.the contempt they have always shown for us, well, because they are all

:13:47. > :13:50.dead, they are haemophiliacs, they are expensive and I quote... We are

:13:51. > :13:57.cheaper than chimpanzees to experiment on. If I may, we have got

:13:58. > :14:03.visitors from many people affected and I want to read some if I may be

:14:04. > :14:09.for hearing from Andy and Baroness Meacher. Nigel posted, I have severe

:14:10. > :14:13.haemophilia V and I was infected with hepatitis C when I was 14, I'm

:14:14. > :14:18.52 and I want to know who allowed me to be infected by contaminated

:14:19. > :14:21.blood, I want to know by the government says there is no need for

:14:22. > :14:26.a public inquiry, I need to know the truth. Ross and says... I have a

:14:27. > :14:31.severe bleeding disorder and I was infected with hepatitis C multiple

:14:32. > :14:36.times as a child, I was 19, now I'm 43 but my life has been devastated

:14:37. > :14:39.by the treatment. I have health issues that I cannot overcome and

:14:40. > :14:45.mentally I've been traumatised time and time again, not just by the

:14:46. > :14:49.virus itself but by the lack of respect shown by the government over

:14:50. > :14:54.the years. When will this disaster be properly investigated? Andy on

:14:55. > :14:58.Facebook, I am 1 of the original haemophiliacs infected with HIV and

:14:59. > :15:03.hepatitis C and I can't even begin to explain how it grew and my life,

:15:04. > :15:09.having aids in 1984 pretty well finished any possibility of a normal

:15:10. > :15:15.life. Andy, you contracted hepatitis C and HIV after receiving

:15:16. > :15:19.contaminated blood for haemophilia. Through an intravenous injection

:15:20. > :15:22.administered at home. What has it been like living with both those

:15:23. > :15:28.conditions for all this time? Shane you were a boy? Indeed, 1st of all

:15:29. > :15:32.because of the nature of haemophilia and the way that treatment was

:15:33. > :15:38.pulled it would have been several injections over a period of time and

:15:39. > :15:42.I would have been exposed to both of the viruses, each time I had a

:15:43. > :15:48.treatment. 3 or 4 times a week. So it could have been my mother that

:15:49. > :15:52.gave that to me and you can imagine how that might make a parent feel or

:15:53. > :15:56.it could have been myself when I was at the age of 5, I was trained to

:15:57. > :16:00.give myself intravenous injections so I may have infected myself

:16:01. > :16:05.multiple times. I didn't find out about my Internet until I was 13, my

:16:06. > :16:12.parents told me, they didn't find out until 2 or 3 years after the

:16:13. > :16:18.doctors knew I was infected. That information was kept from them. But

:16:19. > :16:22.during the time I didn't know, I was visiting the Children's Hospital in

:16:23. > :16:28.Birmingham. And a lot of other people, haemophiliacs, were coming

:16:29. > :16:33.alongside me and 1 by 1, they were not coming any more. And I found out

:16:34. > :16:42.that was because 1 by 1, they were dying. And they were dying of aids.

:16:43. > :16:48.And we are talking children from 3 until 16. All of them dying of aids.

:16:49. > :16:55.We heard Mark say he wants to know how and why this happened. What do

:16:56. > :17:07.you know about why it happened? We know that the United States was

:17:08. > :17:14.using blood plasma that came from Skid Row donors. People who would

:17:15. > :17:18.have lied and were in need of money and would have lied on their forms

:17:19. > :17:25.to say they were clean of these infections and risky practises. We

:17:26. > :17:29.know that plasma was anonymised when the United States found this was

:17:30. > :17:32.going on. It was routed through Canada and exported across the

:17:33. > :17:38.world, not just to the UK, but all around the world. And that's why

:17:39. > :17:42.there are so many, this scandal is a worldwide scandal. It was coming

:17:43. > :17:47.from those donors, despite warnings as Mark has already said, decades

:17:48. > :17:54.previously and in the run-up to these infections. Despite those

:17:55. > :18:00.warnings, it was continued to be used and for whatever reason, people

:18:01. > :18:06.were not told the true risks of it. If it is a worldwide scandal, which

:18:07. > :18:12.it is, why are people not shouting about this? I think it's because in

:18:13. > :18:17.some countries it has been shouted about. I think in your report there,

:18:18. > :18:21.it was shown that one of the ex-Prime Ministers in France was

:18:22. > :18:28.held up on a count of manslaughter because of it. In Japan there was an

:18:29. > :18:32.inquiry and leaders forced it apologise to haemophiliacs there.

:18:33. > :18:36.But in this country, it has been swept under the carpet over and over

:18:37. > :18:41.again and because we're dying, at a rate at the moment of something like

:18:42. > :18:45.one a month, as opposed to in a large group all at one time, it can

:18:46. > :18:50.be brushed aside. It's not seen as the massive, massive scandal that it

:18:51. > :18:53.actually is. Baroness What would you like Theresa

:18:54. > :19:00.May's Government to do? It is essential at this point, I think,

:19:01. > :19:03.that she asks for a public inquiry. It has never happened overall these

:19:04. > :19:11.years, while these people have been dying, month by month, and people

:19:12. > :19:14.have been so badly recognise come penced. They have never been

:19:15. > :19:17.compensated and the sort of money that they receive leaves them at the

:19:18. > :19:22.poverty level and the new scheme that the Government is now bringing

:19:23. > :19:28.in reduces people's income, people with HIV for example, they have been

:19:29. > :19:32.receiving ?19,000 to ?25,000 a year depending on the family size and

:19:33. > :19:36.they're going down now to ?155 UN, can you imagine what that means to

:19:37. > :19:44.people who are very sick, who have had a lifetime of misery and

:19:45. > :19:47.ill-health? Then to be told, sorry, we're going to reduce your income.

:19:48. > :19:52.In Scotland people will be receiving ?37,000 a year. How is it this

:19:53. > :19:58.country, well off, rich country, can be so cruel to some very sick people

:19:59. > :20:02.who are only sick because of errors made by the NHS and Government? The

:20:03. > :20:04.Department of Health says this was an unprecedented tragedy. We're

:20:05. > :20:07.continuing to work closely with those affected to make sure the

:20:08. > :20:10.right support is in police for them. We have more than doubled our annual

:20:11. > :20:16.spend on payments to people affected since 2015.

:20:17. > :20:21.Committing an additional ?125 million as well as providing an

:20:22. > :20:27.annual payment to all infected individuals. We are consulting on

:20:28. > :20:33.new measures? That assessment of money doesn't take account at all as

:20:34. > :20:36.I understand of it the mac far land Trust moneys. We have to look at

:20:37. > :20:41.what is happening to the individuals. People are going to be

:20:42. > :20:47.very, very much worse off, not a bit worse off, OK, they may get some

:20:48. > :20:50.discretionary payments on top of the ?15,500, for example, but we know

:20:51. > :20:54.what happens when governments have discretionary payments and the

:20:55. > :20:57.budget is tight. The fact is those discretionary payments don't come

:20:58. > :21:01.through. The Government have cancelled the promise of additional

:21:02. > :21:04.money from 2018. Just cancelled it. What are they going to do about the

:21:05. > :21:10.discretionary payments? We have got to have in my view, a public inquiry

:21:11. > :21:17.that gets underneath what exactly happened, how could doctors continue

:21:18. > :21:23.feeding this contaminated blood into sick people when they already knew

:21:24. > :21:27.that people were becoming extremely ill with HIV and hepatitis C,

:21:28. > :21:32.apparently because of the blood they had been given and so on and then it

:21:33. > :21:34.goes on from there, governments not being completely honest about what

:21:35. > :21:40.happened and giving guidance saying it is OK, this is risk-free and so

:21:41. > :21:47.on. The saga has continued. Yes, for decades. Trisha on Facebook says, "I

:21:48. > :21:56.lost my dad in 1998 through going contaminated with hoich and help tie

:21:57. > :22:03.sis C. He was only 55. He found out his infected status through a

:22:04. > :22:08.letter. A disgraceful way to be informed. There does need to be a

:22:09. > :22:13.public inquiry. "Stacey says, "My husband is a co infected and was

:22:14. > :22:19.told at the age of 18, that he would die. He's 47 now and each year he is

:22:20. > :22:23.suffering." Abbey says, "I find it totally disgusting. So many people's

:22:24. > :22:27.lives have been destroyed by this mistake by the NHS. An organisation

:22:28. > :22:31.we're supposed to rely on and we haven't had a public inquiry 30

:22:32. > :22:33.years later." We will see what happens and continue to report on

:22:34. > :22:35.this. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mark, thank you for coming on

:22:36. > :22:41.the programme. You're welcome. Still to come, a report from Amnesty

:22:42. > :22:44.says the number of executions around We'll be speaking to someone

:22:45. > :22:47.who administered the death penalty before turning

:22:48. > :22:51.into a campaigner against it. The parents of a very sick baby boy

:22:52. > :22:55.will find out later today whether a judge has decided

:22:56. > :22:57.if the child's life support machine Eight-month-old Charlie Gard suffers

:22:58. > :23:00.from an extremely rare muscle wasting condition

:23:01. > :23:06.and severe brain damage. His family want to take him

:23:07. > :23:10.to a hospital in America and have raised more than ?1.2 million

:23:11. > :23:14.to cover the costs. But doctors say further treatment

:23:15. > :23:17.is not in his best interest. The fact that they can't reach

:23:18. > :23:20.agreement is why the case A judge will announce his decision

:23:21. > :23:24.at 2pm this afternoon. We spoke to Charlie Gard's

:23:25. > :23:35.mum and dad last month. He can do slight movements. He can

:23:36. > :23:39.move his mouth and his hands and his fingers and eyes. He can't open them

:23:40. > :23:47.fully, but he can still open his eyes and see us and he responds to

:23:48. > :23:53.us. We don't feel he's in pain at all. We wouldn't say he's suffering,

:23:54. > :23:59.you know. He's obviously not got the same life of another seven-month-old

:24:00. > :24:02.baby, but you know we deserve, what we're asking for is something that

:24:03. > :24:09.can make him betterment if we were going to court to either end care or

:24:10. > :24:13.to leave him how he is, you know, we know that's not a life for the

:24:14. > :24:16.long-term, but it's having something out there which can, you know,

:24:17. > :24:20.improve him and give him a better quality of life and hopefully make

:24:21. > :24:24.him better is the reason why we're still sitting here fighting now.

:24:25. > :24:28.Halfs that like when you found out there was a really big fundamental

:24:29. > :24:32.difference of opinion, Chris? Well, it's difficult. We feel like we've

:24:33. > :24:36.been fighting for a long time. It seems like we've been fighting since

:24:37. > :24:42.the day we found out Charlie was ill, you know. But at the end of the

:24:43. > :24:46.day, we just want him to be begin the chance because you're never

:24:47. > :24:51.going to find treatments or cures for these things. If you never try

:24:52. > :24:55.anything, you know. These aren't, what we're asking to give him are

:24:56. > :25:00.not poisons, they are naturally occurring compounds that me and you

:25:01. > :25:04.can produce and unfortunately, he is deficient in them and he can't

:25:05. > :25:10.produce them himself. So you know, there is no real known side-effects

:25:11. > :25:12.to these medications. So I kind of think the whole time has been why

:25:13. > :25:17.not try? We can talk now to Niki Cunningham

:25:18. > :25:21.whose son Harry was born in 2012. He was starved of oxygen

:25:22. > :25:23.and was left severely brain damaged. She had to make a decision

:25:24. > :25:27.to turn her son's life support She is a member of the Institute of

:25:28. > :25:35.Medical Ethics' Research Committee and is a lecturer in child law

:25:36. > :25:46.at the University of Winchester. Nikki, tell us a bill bit about your

:25:47. > :25:52.baby boy Harry and the condition he was in? So, Harry had a very normal

:25:53. > :26:00.pregnancy. Everything was fine up until the point of delivery. Whilst

:26:01. > :26:05.I was labouring, he suffered quite a heavy bleed and at the time they

:26:06. > :26:11.thought that was my blood. Things sort of delayed and when he was

:26:12. > :26:14.born, by Caesarean section he was really grey and lifeless and had

:26:15. > :26:19.been starved of oxygen for so long that basically his brain had started

:26:20. > :26:25.to shutdown and along with a number of his organs as well. So he was

:26:26. > :26:29.taken off to the neo-natal unit to try and try any kind of treatment

:26:30. > :26:32.that was available to see if there was anything they could do to

:26:33. > :26:40.reverse the sort of brain damage that had happened.

:26:41. > :26:46.How did you reach the decision to switch his life support off? Well,

:26:47. > :26:50.so, in the 26 hours that he was alive, the doctors had tried so many

:26:51. > :26:54.different things. They had been calling up different universities,

:26:55. > :26:58.speaking to other specialists in this field and when they realise

:26:59. > :27:03.that had actually everything wa they were trying was not improving his

:27:04. > :27:07.condition at all, and all of the tests were coming back and showing

:27:08. > :27:09.that actually instead of seeing improvements things were declining,

:27:10. > :27:14.it sort of became apparent that there wasn't going to be any sort of

:27:15. > :27:20.life expectancy for Harry and that if he was to carry on living then he

:27:21. > :27:26.would literally just being sustained as he was and you know he was unable

:27:27. > :27:30.to, he had cerebral palsy, he was blind, he was deaf, he was never

:27:31. > :27:35.going to be able to eat or swallow his own fluids. He was never going

:27:36. > :27:39.to be able to breathe by himself. The prognosis was very grim and when

:27:40. > :27:44.my husband and I spoke about what we should do for Harry, we both agreed

:27:45. > :27:49.that if the doctors came to us and said you know, "It's time to start

:27:50. > :27:52.make ago decision about what you want to do" Then we would know that

:27:53. > :27:56.was the time to start doing the right thing and the most loving and

:27:57. > :28:01.caring thing for Harry and not for us. We wanted for him to be

:28:02. > :28:07.comfortable and to feel love at all times and to be in control of his

:28:08. > :28:11.passing rather than have him die on the equipment away from his parents.

:28:12. > :28:16.We really wanted for him to, you know, have that moment of love and

:28:17. > :28:21.we were able to let him die in my arms whilst giving him a cuddle so

:28:22. > :28:25.that he was never, you know, left alone to die. That he would be, you

:28:26. > :28:29.know, with his family and surrounded with love.

:28:30. > :28:35.Incredibly difficult and heartbreaking decision. Let me bring

:28:36. > :28:39.Emma Nottingham in. Charlie Gard's parents want to keep him alive. The

:28:40. > :28:41.doctors say it is not in his best interests to go for further

:28:42. > :28:46.treatment in the States. How on earth does a judge make this

:28:47. > :28:50.decision. That What judge has to do a really, really difficult job here.

:28:51. > :28:56.So what he has got to do is really try and remove himself from any of

:28:57. > :29:00.the emotive angles of the case and look at all of the circumstances

:29:01. > :29:07.that are before him. So he will look at the arguments that are being made

:29:08. > :29:12.both by the medical professionals and by Charlie's parents and he will

:29:13. > :29:16.then have to weigh up what he thinks is in Charlie's best interests which

:29:17. > :29:21.is really, really difficult to do because there is an element of

:29:22. > :29:25.subjectivity with that. What is in one child's best interests is not

:29:26. > :29:29.necessarily going to be the same as what would be in another child's

:29:30. > :29:33.best interests. So the judge is going to have to make that decision

:29:34. > :29:38.because the doctors and the parents have not been able to come to an

:29:39. > :29:43.agreement here. If the judge's decision goes against

:29:44. > :29:51.Charlie's parents wishes, could they appeal? Potentially they could

:29:52. > :29:54.appeal. I think that that's probably unlikely in this situation. However,

:29:55. > :30:00.there is the potential that they could appeal the decision.

:30:01. > :30:07.Charlie's parents have effectively pleaded with the judge to, "Give him

:30:08. > :30:10.a chance." That is, you know, we're all human beings, even judges,

:30:11. > :30:11.that's really hard when he has got to remain as objective as possible

:30:12. > :30:26.and look at the evidence. It's unbelievably difficult. As a

:30:27. > :30:29.judge he is going to have to act in a professional capacity but the

:30:30. > :30:36.unique angle of this case and the tragedy that might be inevitable,

:30:37. > :30:40.depending on his decision, is a real responsibility and the fact that

:30:41. > :30:44.it's taken out of Charlie's parents hands and it's even out of the hands

:30:45. > :30:50.of the medical professionals, it's in the hands of the judge, it's a

:30:51. > :30:57.tough job he has to do. Nikki, who did you turn to for advice? We

:30:58. > :31:01.listened to Harry's doctors actually because they had tried so many

:31:02. > :31:05.different things and they explained to us that Harry's quality of life

:31:06. > :31:15.wasn't going to be, he wasn't going to live a normal life at all and we

:31:16. > :31:21.wanted for him surrounded with love and all of those things. Sorry, my

:31:22. > :31:26.dog had -- my daughter has just come to join us. We wanted to make sure

:31:27. > :31:32.that Harry was always going to be, have his best interests and we, the

:31:33. > :31:38.doctors, they were the ones that you best, we really did go with their

:31:39. > :31:44.opinion on that. And with July to introduce your daughter to us? This

:31:45. > :31:52.is Florence, Florence is our baby that came after Harry, she's wary

:31:53. > :32:00.special, and she understands all of Harry's story, she knows that this

:32:01. > :32:05.is important. Thank you very much Florence and Nikki for coming on the

:32:06. > :32:15.programme. We appreciated. Goodbye! Emma, thank you so much.

:32:16. > :32:17.The human rights group, Amnesty International,

:32:18. > :32:20.says there has been a sharp drop in the use of the death

:32:21. > :32:24.BUT they estimate more people were put to death in China last year

:32:25. > :32:27.than in the whole of the rest of the world.

:32:28. > :32:29.It's an estimate because China classifies it as a state secret

:32:30. > :32:34.For the first time America has fallen below the top 5 list

:32:35. > :32:36.of countries which carry out the most executions BUT the state

:32:37. > :32:39.of Arkansas is about to execute 7 people over the next 11 days before

:32:40. > :32:43.a controversial drug goes out of date at the end of this month.

:32:44. > :32:45.This next film looks at the number and methods

:32:46. > :32:48.of executions around the world - you may not want young

:32:49. > :33:42.Earlier we spoke to Frank Thompson a former

:33:43. > :33:46.executioner from Oregon in the United States.

:33:47. > :33:52.He told us what his job used to involve.

:33:53. > :33:59.Immediately before the actual execution you have a team of

:34:00. > :34:04.personnel who goad to the execution room and notify the individual that

:34:05. > :34:11.it's time, sometimes no more than just that it said. Its time. -- who

:34:12. > :34:18.go to. You escort the individual into the room, with them on the

:34:19. > :34:22.Gurney and you have in most instances, what you call a tie-down

:34:23. > :34:28.team that secures the individual to the Gurney to make them, for all

:34:29. > :34:33.practical purposes, in mobile but you don't want to hurt anyone. Sorry

:34:34. > :34:40.to interrupt, can I ask you what a Gurney is? It's like a hospital bed,

:34:41. > :34:51.I guess that's the best I can describe. And execution Gurney... A

:34:52. > :35:00.hospital bed with platforms extending on either side of the bed,

:35:01. > :35:06.but the arms can't rest on and be secured by straps, it's not always a

:35:07. > :35:13.Gurney. For many, many years there are weren't Gurney is but you have

:35:14. > :35:18.modern contraptions, construction is now, that it's like a bed, and

:35:19. > :35:25.adjustable bed, the industry is still referred to often times as the

:35:26. > :35:33.Gurney. Once the inmate is tied down, what happens? You have a team

:35:34. > :35:42.of individuals who are in most instances, trained to insert the

:35:43. > :35:48.intravenous into a viable vein, in many instances both veins, in the

:35:49. > :35:56.event that 1 of the things does not work well. And the officiating

:35:57. > :36:05.warden, superintendent, after all the arrangements have been made,

:36:06. > :36:11.after the inmate has been secured down and after the needles having

:36:12. > :36:23.placed into the veins, a signal is given for the execution to begin.

:36:24. > :36:31.And the lethal fluids begin flowing into the person whose demise is a

:36:32. > :36:38.part of the protocol. You have done this twice. Yes. Can you tell us how

:36:39. > :36:43.on each occasion the inmate to be had, reacted, in the minutes and

:36:44. > :36:56.seconds counting down to their death? It sounds sort of insensitive

:36:57. > :37:05.and cold-blooded, I guess. To describe the two that I witnessed as

:37:06. > :37:10.being either book. And in large parts, the experiences I had, I had

:37:11. > :37:16.two individuals who volunteered their execution and by volunteering,

:37:17. > :37:27.I mean, these two individuals had gotten tired, weary of life on death

:37:28. > :37:33.row and they asked to be executed. So there were not a lot of the amp

:37:34. > :37:42.attentions and lashing and clawing as many people sometimes expect.

:37:43. > :37:53.These were very corporative individuals who were almost just

:37:54. > :37:59.short of very tranquil. And the two executions I was a part of, not

:38:00. > :38:03.speaking of the emotion and pressures that might have been

:38:04. > :38:16.involved, they went according to plan. In both. What is your few,

:38:17. > :38:21.now, of what you did then? I supported the death penalty for

:38:22. > :38:25.many, many years, in fact, I was asked as a part of my being

:38:26. > :38:31.qualified to take the position as superintendent, whether or not I

:38:32. > :38:35.could conduct an execution and am a product of civil rights days back in

:38:36. > :38:38.the deep South, when civil rights workers were being murdered for

:38:39. > :38:43.demonstrating to get their constitutional rights to attend

:38:44. > :38:49.public facilities or get their voting rights. And there were people

:38:50. > :38:52.in my community, these civil rights workers were murdered and there were

:38:53. > :38:59.people in my community who felt that the perpetrators against these civil

:39:00. > :39:07.rights workers deserved a just, social sanction. The murderers were

:39:08. > :39:12.gruesome, as a child, as a young person, 13, 14, 15, I began

:39:13. > :39:17.nurturing the idea that some fire on the continuum of justice, maybe the

:39:18. > :39:21.death penalty had a place. As I became older and moved into law

:39:22. > :39:26.enforcement, I accepted it, tolerated it, realising that it had

:39:27. > :39:31.significant flaws as many other of the institutions of our country had

:39:32. > :39:36.flaws but hopefully over time it would keep working at it, we would

:39:37. > :39:42.get it right or get it to be, you know, a more just says. So I

:39:43. > :39:47.never... Sorry to interrupt. What was it about the fact that you

:39:48. > :39:52.witnessed two of these executions, you oversold, but contributed to you

:39:53. > :40:00.changing your view on the death penalty? It wasn't by seeing the

:40:01. > :40:07.executions itself that changed me. When I started, when I was in

:40:08. > :40:15.Arkansas, there was an execution of a guy by the name of Ricky Ray

:40:16. > :40:21.Rector who was mentally, severely mentally deficient. And is

:40:22. > :40:26.internationally known about his execution. Governor Bill Clinton

:40:27. > :40:31.came back to Arkansas to oversee the execution. While he was being

:40:32. > :40:36.executed they could hear him complaining about them not being

:40:37. > :40:40.able to find his fame, witnesses could hear him moaning, they could

:40:41. > :40:48.hear him assisting them in finding the vein. This was so traumatic to 1

:40:49. > :40:52.star person, that staff person resigned after that execution. I was

:40:53. > :40:58.a warden in Arkansas when that happened, when I came to Oregon

:40:59. > :41:03.which had not had an execution in 32 years, I had this vividly in my

:41:04. > :41:14.mind, this happened in 1992. And when I was asked to conduct the 1st

:41:15. > :41:20.execution in 1996, I had this gruesome incident from Arkansas in

:41:21. > :41:26.the back of my mind. And my staff, I was really concerned about my staff.

:41:27. > :41:32.And I realised, that I was training decent men and women into the act of

:41:33. > :41:37.taking the life of a human being in the name of a public policy that

:41:38. > :41:44.could not be shown to work. I had been trained to take a life under

:41:45. > :41:49.very narrow circumstances. So taking someone's life was not a foreign

:41:50. > :41:54.notion to me. But I do not believe in taking anyone's life under any

:41:55. > :41:57.circumstance when there are reasonable alternatives and the

:41:58. > :42:02.reasonable alternative is life without the possibility of parole.

:42:03. > :42:08.Frank Thompson who used to carry out, excuse me, executions in the

:42:09. > :42:09.United States. Let's talk to our next guest.

:42:10. > :42:11.Kate Allen, director of Amnesty International,

:42:12. > :42:14.who has released today's figures is with me.

:42:15. > :42:21.How do you know who is in the top 5 and it comes to executions,

:42:22. > :42:25.particularly when the country at the top, China, is so secret. China is

:42:26. > :42:28.particularly secretive and any information about the use of the

:42:29. > :42:32.death penalty in China is a state secret. But we monitor what is

:42:33. > :42:37.happening, we are entered with people within China. There is a long

:42:38. > :42:42.history of the use of the death penalty, so we are confident to say

:42:43. > :42:46.that in China we are talking about thousands of people who are

:42:47. > :42:51.executed. In 1 year? In 1 year. They are in the thousands, any for up to

:42:52. > :42:55.10,000 in a year. And then the other four countries... What is due

:42:56. > :43:01.monitor to get the figures? There are still use paper and media

:43:02. > :43:05.coverage, there are organisations that we are in touch with, there is

:43:06. > :43:10.a way of monitoring and understanding some of those numbers,

:43:11. > :43:14.but to really be accurate about them, we would need the Chinese

:43:15. > :43:17.authorities to stop treating this like a state secret and be open and

:43:18. > :43:22.accountable for the numbers they are executing. Do you know some of the

:43:23. > :43:27.reasons behind the thousands of executions? There are over 40

:43:28. > :43:34.different crimes that attract the death penalty, the obvious ones, but

:43:35. > :43:50.also, corruption, use of drugs, drug-related offences, a range of

:43:51. > :43:51.issues that can attract the death penalty, an extraordinary array of

:43:52. > :43:52.ways in which you can be sentenced to death. Also in the top 5, Iran,

:43:53. > :43:58.Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, no longer at the United States in those

:43:59. > :44:02.top few countries. You don't accept this but what can you do to try to

:44:03. > :44:06.either reduce the numbers are persuaded country to change their

:44:07. > :44:10.mind on this issue? We have persuaded countries to change their

:44:11. > :44:17.mind, friendly started campaigning about the death penalty in the 70s

:44:18. > :44:21.there were 16 countries come today it's 104. I feel and we all feel at

:44:22. > :44:25.Amnesty International that progress is too slow but it's absolutely

:44:26. > :44:27.progress and we are moving in that direction, if you take the 5

:44:28. > :44:32.countries you mentioned, they are responsible for 90% of the

:44:33. > :44:36.executions that take place in the world and we will continue to

:44:37. > :44:41.campaign to see the end of the death penalty. It's good to see the United

:44:42. > :44:50.States out of those 5, there were 20 executions last year in the States

:44:51. > :44:54.but some of that is about the inability to access the lethal drugs

:44:55. > :44:58.that they used to kill people with. So there's been a kind of chipping

:44:59. > :45:03.away at the ways in which the death penalty is implemented. Let me ask

:45:04. > :45:08.you finally about what is about to happen in Arkansas in the United

:45:09. > :45:13.States. Over a period of 11 days, 8 executions are scheduled, in order

:45:14. > :45:20.it would seem, not to waste a particular drug that will expire at

:45:21. > :45:23.the end of April. Yes. Executions are being organised because of the

:45:24. > :45:28.sell by date of the lethal injection that will be used. It's being -- and

:45:29. > :45:34.it is shocking. Some people in Arkansas who will be, may well be

:45:35. > :45:42.executed, were sentenced to death 20- 30 years ago, some are now

:45:43. > :45:45.severely mentally ill, paranoid schizophrenic, other issues, it's

:45:46. > :45:49.appalling to see this and we are campaigning hard to see whether we

:45:50. > :45:56.can stop those executions. So what you see, there have been the use of

:45:57. > :46:04.lethal injections where it has taken people two hours or more to die and

:46:05. > :46:09.that's where we have been moving to stop the use of lethal injections

:46:10. > :46:13.and why Arkansas is, it seems, determined to implement these

:46:14. > :46:18.executions before that sell by date expires. Thank you.

:46:19. > :46:22.Next this morning, further allegations of abuse carried out

:46:23. > :46:24.by a leading barrister who ran Christian summer camps

:46:25. > :46:30.John Smyth is accused of carrying out a series of brutal assaults

:46:31. > :46:35.It's a story first broken by Channel 4 News, but now the BBC

:46:36. > :46:38.has now been told that Smyth also recruited one of his victims

:46:39. > :46:43.and asked him to administer further beating to his friends.

:46:44. > :46:46.That pupil is now the head teacher of a prep school in Buckinghamshire.

:46:47. > :46:53.This report from Fiona Lamdin contains some graphic content.

:46:54. > :46:59.I think I was probably beaten about 3,000 times,

:47:00. > :47:10.It was only when he hit me that I suddenly realised the full

:47:11. > :47:21.22 young men brainwashed and then beaten in what

:47:22. > :47:25.victims now describe as a religious cult.

:47:26. > :47:33.John Smyth, a leading QC, infiltrated Britain's oldest

:47:34. > :47:36.school, persuading teenage boys that his violent

:47:37. > :47:44.I am John Smyth, the director of the Justice Alliance.

:47:45. > :47:48.Andy was only 14, a pupil at Winchester College in 1975, when the

:47:49. > :47:59.He remembers going back to John Smyth's former home.

:48:00. > :48:01.In twos or threes, best friends, we would

:48:02. > :48:04.go out to his house, we would have a proper Sunday roast,

:48:05. > :48:11.we would play silly games in the garden.

:48:12. > :48:15.The school food then was absolutely shocking, so this was like a home

:48:16. > :48:23.In some ways it was more of a home away from home, we

:48:24. > :48:26.were quite detached from our parents, they were not able to see

:48:27. > :48:33.Less than two years later, he was accepting regular and violent

:48:34. > :48:46.So John Smyth had every single bandage, dressing,

:48:47. > :48:54.iodine, everything that had been invented, but even though

:48:55. > :48:56.he had all that equipment, I call it paraphernalia, we were

:48:57. > :49:03.Even with these dressings on, wearing these adult nappies.

:49:04. > :49:12.John smyth was like a father figure to me.

:49:13. > :49:16.If you had asked me at the time, I would have said I loved him like I

:49:17. > :49:28.He made me a godfather to one of his children.

:49:29. > :49:30.He brought me into his family in that way.

:49:31. > :49:33.Why would I hit back against someone who has made me a

:49:34. > :49:38.Who I already think of as a father figure?

:49:39. > :49:41.And now do you think it was part of his plan?

:49:42. > :49:50.Definitely. Wouldn't you?

:49:51. > :49:54.As the years went by, these schoolboys became young men.

:49:55. > :50:03.They moved on to university, but the beatings continued.

:50:04. > :50:06.Now too physical for one man on his own, Smyth needed to recruit

:50:07. > :50:07.a right-hand man from within the group.

:50:08. > :50:10.He asked Simon Doggett, one of his victims, to start beating

:50:11. > :50:14.One of their victims didn't want to speak on

:50:15. > :50:16.camera but told us his story for the first time.

:50:17. > :50:20.John Smyth beat me first, appallingly, with his usual

:50:21. > :50:23.force, and then Simon Doggett took over while he watched.

:50:24. > :50:29.I recall the brutality of his beating.

:50:30. > :50:32.There was no discussion, no emotion, just a fit

:50:33. > :50:39.Then it was over, the dressings were applied, we drove back

:50:40. > :50:41.to Cambridge, me sitting on a rubber ring.

:50:42. > :50:43.Simon came around and checked dressings,

:50:44. > :50:52.The BBC has been handed nine hours of recordings left

:50:53. > :50:54.unheard for 20 years, which revealed the full

:50:55. > :50:58.On one occasion a victim was subjected to

:50:59. > :51:02.800 lashes, which lasted over 12 hours.

:51:03. > :51:10.I cannot remember, but it went on all day.

:51:11. > :51:12.A decade after the beatings finished, three victims

:51:13. > :51:20.In the afternoon I was asleep, then it started again.

:51:21. > :51:34.John Smyth beat me for maybe 50 strokes, and

:51:35. > :51:40.then he would be exhausted, and at that point Simon Doggett beat me

:51:41. > :51:46.Andy remembers every last detail of the shed.

:51:47. > :51:53.The strokes he gave me were probably the equivalent

:51:54. > :52:06.I think even then, I sensed it was not my friend beating

:52:07. > :52:08.me, that it was actually John Smyth beating me,

:52:09. > :52:19.using my friend to carry out his abuse.

:52:20. > :52:22.Simon Doggett is the headmaster of Caldicott Prep School in Bucks.

:52:23. > :52:28.He has been in charge for nearly 20 years.

:52:29. > :52:31.He has told us he is now critically ill and is unable to respond.

:52:32. > :52:37.There is no suggestion that he has ever harmed any of his pupils.

:52:38. > :52:41.But Simon Doggett was not the only one John Smyth tried to recruit.

:52:42. > :52:44.He tried to persuade me to beat other people.

:52:45. > :52:53.He was asking lots of people to beat other people.

:52:54. > :53:02.He said, "Andy, this is talking about steps, going

:53:03. > :53:05.from 30 beatings to 50 to 100, the next step is, you need

:53:06. > :53:23.When John got tired, he motioned for Simon to come in, and

:53:24. > :53:26.Simon came in without missing a beat.

:53:27. > :53:30.Police tell us they are investigating, but John Smyth is

:53:31. > :53:34.still a free man, living in South Africa, and Simon Doggett a

:53:35. > :53:39.headmaster, now critically ill, yet to give an account of his past.

:53:40. > :53:42.You can see more on that story on the Six O'Clock News

:53:43. > :53:51.Now when it comes to customer relations this is clearly

:53:52. > :53:55.A warning, you may find images of the way this United Airlines

:53:56. > :54:09.The world's leading airline. Flyer friendly.

:54:10. > :54:15.SCREAMING Every thought...

:54:16. > :54:21.SCREAMING Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh

:54:22. > :54:28.no! Every movement. Oh my god, what are

:54:29. > :54:35.you doing? No!

:54:36. > :54:43.Carefully planned, co-ordinated and synchronised. Oh my god, look at

:54:44. > :54:49.what you're doing to him. Oh my god. Performing together with a single

:54:50. > :54:56.united purpose. No, this is wrong. Look at what you're doing to him. Oh

:54:57. > :55:04.my god. Oh my god. Good work. Way to go.

:55:05. > :55:11.That's what makes the world's leading airline flyer-friendly.

:55:12. > :55:17.I have to go home. I have to go home.

:55:18. > :55:20.United Airlines has now apologised after that passenger was clearly

:55:21. > :55:23.hurt while being dragged screaming from his seat on a flight from

:55:24. > :55:27.This passenger on the flight spoke to the BBC on the

:55:28. > :55:36.The guy that came from, I don't know who he was,

:55:37. > :55:39.some airport authority of some sort, was very was calm about it.

:55:40. > :55:40.Wasn't rude. Wasn't even forceful.

:55:41. > :55:50.I think it was almost kind he was just there

:55:51. > :55:52.to intimidate and say "Look, you need to come off",

:55:53. > :55:56.There was another officer that came on and then another man who that

:55:57. > :56:00.you have seen in the video, the one with the hat and the jeans,

:56:01. > :56:03.he had a badge, but you know, it's probably helpful to say

:56:04. > :56:06.who you are as an authority figure before you kind of just start

:56:07. > :56:17.She's a marketing consultant and founder of Ariatu PR.

:56:18. > :56:24.How bad is this? Exceptionally bad, Victoria. The statement from the CEO

:56:25. > :56:27.wasn't good enough. He apologised to the team or he seemed to make it

:56:28. > :56:30.more about United Airlines than the individual concerned and what they

:56:31. > :56:33.should have done was made it about that individual, not just the

:56:34. > :56:36.individual and the customers who were on the flight and actually

:56:37. > :56:42.people who were just watching. We are in an age of social media and

:56:43. > :56:46.people were filming and even I watched it, even as I watch it now,

:56:47. > :56:52.it was traumatising and scary. We weren't sure what was happening, who

:56:53. > :56:58.was this guy? Now we are finding out who he is, as we have seen with the

:56:59. > :57:04.incidents around the world, it could have been more serious, it was law

:57:05. > :57:08.enforcement, not necessarily United Airlines staff and the officer has

:57:09. > :57:12.been placed on leave. So they have conducted, they have done their own

:57:13. > :57:19.brand reputation management, but the airline itself, I still don't think

:57:20. > :57:23.they have managed it well. There was an odd apology, apartial apology,

:57:24. > :57:28.mostly worrying about United Airlines staff rather than the guy.

:57:29. > :57:31.What should they do now? Find a way of speaking to the guy directly.

:57:32. > :57:34.There is a lot of reputation management to be done. A few weeks

:57:35. > :57:38.ago, there was the leggings ins didn't which is not as serious as

:57:39. > :57:42.this. And just really get that brand loyalty back. It will take a lot

:57:43. > :57:47.though because this footage is triggering. It's exceptionally

:57:48. > :57:50.violent. It will take a lot. I mean even reducing fares won't be enough.

:57:51. > :57:56.You have to build that trust, get people together and make them feel

:57:57. > :58:00.like they will be safe in the hands of United. It will make more than an

:58:01. > :58:06.apology and reduction in fares. What is it then? Well, it will take

:58:07. > :58:11.people coming out out the CEO being direct and more open and apologetic

:58:12. > :58:16.to the consumers and the customers. Thank you.

:58:17. > :58:18.On the programme tomorrow - an exclusive interview

:58:19. > :58:21.with Pauline Cafferkey - the nurse infected with ebola

:58:22. > :58:34.in Sierra Leone who'll tell us her plans for the future.

:58:35. > :58:37.I think I've died and gone to heaven!