12/04/2017

:00:08. > :00:13.I'm Victoria Derbyshire and welcome to the programme.

:00:14. > :00:15.Police are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three

:00:16. > :00:18.explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund

:00:19. > :00:21.team bus last night - that's according to German media

:00:22. > :00:26.We will have the latest on the investigation and speak

:00:27. > :00:36.TRANSLATION: A letter was found near the blast scene. Due to the ongoing

:00:37. > :00:38.investigation, I can't give more information. The authenticity is

:00:39. > :00:41.being investigated. Also today, an exclusive

:00:42. > :00:43.interview with Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey,

:00:44. > :00:47.who tells us she's going to Sierra Leone where

:00:48. > :00:49.she contracted ebola, a disease which, twice,

:00:50. > :00:56.almost killed her. That's kind of where things started

:00:57. > :00:59.for me and I've had a terrible couple of years since then so it

:01:00. > :01:05.would be good to go back just for things to come full circle for me

:01:06. > :01:08.and a little bit of closure and end up with something good.

:01:09. > :01:11.That full interview coming up at 9.15am.

:01:12. > :01:14.And the US government is turning up the heat on Russia over its support

:01:15. > :01:29.America's top diplomat is in Moscow for talks with his opposite number.

:01:30. > :01:31.Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

:01:32. > :01:34.Also coming up later, we have an exclusive report on how

:01:35. > :01:37.Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old girl

:01:38. > :01:48.from being sexually abused by her teacher, despite warnings.

:01:49. > :01:50.The Victims' Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, tells us that

:01:51. > :01:52.teachers and social workers should be prosecuted if they fail to flag

:01:53. > :01:55.child sexual abuse concerns to stop cases like this.

:01:56. > :01:58.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

:01:59. > :02:01.Use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

:02:02. > :02:06.Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist

:02:07. > :02:08.link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

:02:09. > :02:11.Three explosions hit the bus, which was taking the club's players

:02:12. > :02:14.to their Champions League quarter-final against Monaco.

:02:15. > :02:16.Police say they believe the club was deliberately targeted.

:02:17. > :02:24.Forensic teams have spent the night examining the blast site.

:02:25. > :02:27.Three devices in what police described as a targeted attack

:02:28. > :02:31.exploded as the players' bus left their hotel shortly after 7pm.

:02:32. > :02:35.It's believed the explosives were hidden in a hedge and were

:02:36. > :02:43.But two panes at the back shattered, injuring Spanish

:02:44. > :02:44.international Marc Bartra, who has undergone surgery.

:02:45. > :02:50.At a press conference held soon afterwards,

:02:51. > :02:54.a spokesman for the team gave an update on his condition.

:02:55. > :02:57.TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra is being operated on right now

:02:58. > :03:01.for a broken bone in his right hand and he has got various glass shards

:03:02. > :03:06.The team, through captain Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me.

:03:07. > :03:08.They're still very shocked and thinking about Marc.

:03:09. > :03:14.The police are still trying to establish who was behind

:03:15. > :03:17.An official from the state prosecutor revealed that a letter

:03:18. > :03:26.TRANSLATION: I can say a letter was found near the blast scene.

:03:27. > :03:29.At the moment, due to the ongoing investigation, I can't give more

:03:30. > :03:35.The authenticity is being investigated.

:03:36. > :03:38.The devices exploded about ten kilometres

:03:39. > :03:43.The match has been postponed until later today.

:03:44. > :03:46.The world of football has come together in wishing Bartra a full

:03:47. > :03:48.recovery and condemning the attack, which has unsettled

:03:49. > :04:03.Our correspondent Gavin Lee is in Dortmund for us now.

:04:04. > :04:12.So the police are looking at an Islamist link, but presumably,

:04:13. > :04:17.far-right hooliganism too? Well, it is interesting Victoria. In the past

:04:18. > :04:24.30 minutes most of the German media have suddenly come out with details

:04:25. > :04:27.of what is purportedly in this letter which was found near the

:04:28. > :04:33.scene. It is reported this was a letter that said in the name of

:04:34. > :04:37.Allah. It went into detail about how German sports stars, how German

:04:38. > :04:42.high-profile people would continue to be targeted because of the

:04:43. > :04:45.tornadoes that were being flown and targeting so-called Islamic State in

:04:46. > :04:50.Syria and also there was a suggestion that there was a link to

:04:51. > :04:54.the Berlin attack and that was a reprisal from the arrest that

:04:55. > :04:58.followed with the man who was shot dead, the lorry truck attacker later

:04:59. > :05:03.on in Milan. He spent sometime here in Dortmund. The investigation stage

:05:04. > :05:07.has moved from Dortmund police to the Federal Police which suggests it

:05:08. > :05:11.is terrorism is the main theme of the investigation, however, at the

:05:12. > :05:14.moment, the police are stopping short from saying that. What we know

:05:15. > :05:18.officially from the police is this was a letter that purports to claim

:05:19. > :05:21.responsibility, but they are checking authenticity. If the

:05:22. > :05:26.contents, which is widely reported here is true, it maybe a first

:05:27. > :05:29.attempt to deceive if it is another area of investigation that they are

:05:30. > :05:32.looking at. So we are expecting another press conference later

:05:33. > :05:36.today, but suggestions at this investigation is turning somewhat.

:05:37. > :05:41.OK, that's interesting. In the meantime the game will be, has been

:05:42. > :05:48.rescheduled for this evening. Swift rescheduling. What are people saying

:05:49. > :05:51.about that? It is, a few minutes ago, there was some football fan

:05:52. > :05:54.from Monaco walking past and I spoke to them. Interesting actually how

:05:55. > :05:59.many people stayed in people's houses here in Germany. There was a

:06:00. > :06:03.tweet that went out, a hashtag open door for away fans. A lot of people

:06:04. > :06:07.took advantage of that. A lot of families put people up for the

:06:08. > :06:14.night. We saw the same thing after the Brussels attacks and the Nice

:06:15. > :06:18.attack, the Brussels attack. I was in the hotel where the Monaco team

:06:19. > :06:23.are staying. I spoke to the coach driver. He said he was worried about

:06:24. > :06:32.taking this journey tonight. The coach was surrounded by police.

:06:33. > :06:34.There is a sense of security ahead of the game.

:06:35. > :06:37.Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:38. > :06:43.The US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is meeting his

:06:44. > :06:46.Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow this morning, less

:06:47. > :06:48.than a week after the United States bombed an air base in Syria.

:06:49. > :06:52.He wants to persuade the Kremlin to drop its support for the current

:06:53. > :06:53.Syrian regime and its President, Bashar al-Assad.

:06:54. > :07:03.As a former oil executive, Mr Tillerson is more used

:07:04. > :07:04.to arriving in Moscow for business deals.

:07:05. > :07:07.This political mission may prove more difficult.

:07:08. > :07:10.Russia, he said on Tuesday, bears a heavy responsibility

:07:11. > :07:26.It is unclear whether Russia has failed to take this obligation

:07:27. > :07:35.seriously or whether rush is incompetent, but this distinction

:07:36. > :07:40.doesn't matter much to the dead. The US fired missiles at a Syrian

:07:41. > :07:45.air base, an act condemned by Syria's ally, Russia. Vladimir Putin

:07:46. > :07:50.appeared to harden his stance accusing opposition forces of

:07:51. > :07:54.planning further attacks. TRANSLATION: We have information

:07:55. > :07:57.from various sources that similar provocations, I can't call them any

:07:58. > :08:02.differently, are being prepared in other parts of Syria too. Including

:08:03. > :08:08.the southern suburbs of Damascus where they're preparing to release

:08:09. > :08:11.some sort of substance again. Whilst G7 ministers couldn't agree on new

:08:12. > :08:16.sanctions yesterday, they did endorse a joint call for Russia to

:08:17. > :08:18.abandon Assad, but right now, it seems that message may fall on deaf

:08:19. > :08:27.ears. President Trump's spokesman,

:08:28. > :08:31.Sean Spicer, has apologised for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't

:08:32. > :08:33.use chemical weapons. Mr Spicer made the remark

:08:34. > :08:38.in a White House press briefing, as he answered questions

:08:39. > :08:44.about the war in Syria. The Anne Frank Centre,

:08:45. > :08:46.which campaigns for human rights, described Mr Spicer's comment

:08:47. > :08:49.as an "evil slur" and said he now Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

:08:50. > :08:54.Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

:08:55. > :09:01.in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

:09:02. > :09:03.which strip out the impact of new store openings,

:09:04. > :09:06.grew 1% in the year to February. The company's chief

:09:07. > :09:07.executive Dave Lewis said It's no surprise that the industry

:09:08. > :09:15.has been under pressure, but it's been under pressure

:09:16. > :09:17.for the last three Actually, I think that where we sit

:09:18. > :09:25.as Tesco now is stronger than Our partnerships with our suppliers

:09:26. > :09:28.have never been stronger. Actually, whilst we see

:09:29. > :09:30.some of the challenges you are talking about,

:09:31. > :09:32.we feel more confident about our ability to deal with them

:09:33. > :09:35.and perhaps we did just The nurse Pauline Cafferkey,

:09:36. > :09:38.who contracted ebola in Sierra leone in 2014,

:09:39. > :09:40.has told this programme she's The 41-year-old says she has no fear

:09:41. > :09:45.about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes

:09:46. > :09:51.the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children,

:09:52. > :09:52.will give her closure after what she describes

:09:53. > :09:59.as a "pretty tough couple of years". And you can see Pauline Cafferkey's

:10:00. > :10:04.interview with Victoria shortly. The head of United Airlines has

:10:05. > :10:06.apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

:10:07. > :10:09.in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

:10:10. > :10:13.screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

:10:14. > :10:16.from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

:10:17. > :10:22.a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

:10:23. > :10:24.said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

:10:25. > :10:27.and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

:10:28. > :10:29.mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

:10:30. > :10:38.had followed established procedures. A fashion advert for Selfridges has

:10:39. > :10:41.been cleared by the advertising standards watchdog over a complaint

:10:42. > :10:43.that the model looked A promotional e-mail showed

:10:44. > :10:49.the woman standing side It prompted a reader

:10:50. > :10:54.to complain she was too thin and question whether the advert

:10:55. > :10:56.was socially irresponsible. However, the Advertising

:10:57. > :10:58.Standards Authority judged that the model did not appear

:10:59. > :11:05.to be "significantly underweight". A voter registration site that

:11:06. > :11:07.crashed in the run-up to last year's EU referendum could have been

:11:08. > :11:10.targeted by a foreign cyber attack, The "register to vote" site crashed

:11:11. > :11:15.on 7th June last year just before the deadline for people to sign

:11:16. > :11:19.up to vote. The Government and electoral

:11:20. > :11:21.administrators blamed a surge But MPs on the Parliamentary Public

:11:22. > :11:28.Administration Committee say a foreign cyber attack could not

:11:29. > :11:33.be ruled out. In Nigeria a senior commander

:11:34. > :11:37.at the country's road safety organisation has been disciplined

:11:38. > :11:42.after he was pictured cutting female Photos showing the male

:11:43. > :11:47.commander taking a pair of scissors to the women's hair

:11:48. > :11:50.during an inspection parade have One female aide to the president

:11:51. > :11:54.condemned the haircuts A shrimp which makes some

:11:55. > :12:02.of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after

:12:03. > :12:14.the rock band, Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it

:12:15. > :12:17.but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi can

:12:18. > :12:21.use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot

:12:22. > :12:22.and is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC

:12:23. > :12:35.News - more at 9.30am. If you are getting in touch with us,

:12:36. > :12:43.you're very welcome. Let's get some sport

:12:44. > :12:45.from Jessica, we've been hearing about the Dortmund team bus

:12:46. > :12:53.explosions, but the match It will be a really strange

:12:54. > :12:59.atmosphere though? Despite the distressing scenes we saw yesterday,

:13:00. > :13:02.the match will still go ahead at 5.45pm tonight and thousands of fans

:13:03. > :13:07.were already in the stadium last night before the announcement was

:13:08. > :13:12.made just 15 minutes before kick off of that rescheduled match. Many of

:13:13. > :13:17.the Monaco fans, once the news started to come in, of the Prost

:13:18. > :13:22.ponement and news of the team bus kind of being attacked, many of the

:13:23. > :13:29.Monaco fans chanting support for the Dortmund team and the players and

:13:30. > :13:33.that show of solidarity continued as Monaco fans opened, Dortmund fans

:13:34. > :13:38.opened up their homes and greeted the Monaco fans who needed time to

:13:39. > :13:41.stay in the German capital for another night and despite the chaos,

:13:42. > :13:45.I think, it was good to see that the football world really came together

:13:46. > :13:50.last night. And we know that incredibly only one

:13:51. > :13:55.player was slightly injured? Yes, that was defender, Marc Bartra, who

:13:56. > :13:59.went to hospital for minor surgery on a wrist injury. He is 26-year-old

:14:00. > :14:03.old and one of the players that was sitting next to him on the coach,

:14:04. > :14:08.the goalkeeper, he toll the Swiss paper after the bang, we all ducked

:14:09. > :14:12.in the bus and those who could, threw themselves to the ground. We

:14:13. > :14:16.were all shocked. Nobody thought of a football match in this moment. It

:14:17. > :14:19.makes you wonder about the mentality of the players, Victoria and whether

:14:20. > :14:22.they will be able to kind of shut out what happened and be able to get

:14:23. > :14:28.on with that football match this evening. Yes. And we've got another

:14:29. > :14:32.big night in Leicester's history? Yes, their first ever Champions

:14:33. > :14:37.League quarterfinal. But they're up against a team that's been in the

:14:38. > :14:42.final of this competition twice in the past three seasons, Atletico

:14:43. > :14:46.Madrid. Now, their captain has travelled with the squad. But is not

:14:47. > :14:49.thought to be fit enough to start the match. I think this will be an

:14:50. > :14:55.experience that the Leicester players will truly relish as you can

:14:56. > :14:59.see, they are on the pitch there taking selfies and videos of the

:15:00. > :15:06.stadium. Extra police have been lining the streets of Madrid after

:15:07. > :15:09.that attack on Dortmund. And Atletico's record, well, definitely

:15:10. > :15:13.makes Leicester the under dogs, but you know of Leicester and the

:15:14. > :15:18.fairytale football stories they have come up in recent seasons, you never

:15:19. > :15:21.know, they could be on for a win. They could be, yeah and they like

:15:22. > :15:26.being under dogs, thanks, Jess. In an exclusive interview

:15:27. > :15:28.with this programme, Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey has

:15:29. > :15:31.revealed that she is going back to the country where

:15:32. > :15:33.she contracted Ebola - a disease which twice

:15:34. > :15:35.nearly killed her. She says she hopes the trip,

:15:36. > :15:38.which is to raise funds for orphaned children there,

:15:39. > :15:40.will give her closure after It was in December 2014 that Pauline

:15:41. > :15:47.became ill and suffered multiple organ failure having caught

:15:48. > :15:50.the disease whilst helping ebola In our wide-ranging interview

:15:51. > :15:56.she says that being subjected to a Public Health England

:15:57. > :15:59.investigation after a relaps, was massively stressful and she also

:16:00. > :16:04.reveals that she was so paranoid about Ebola coming back,

:16:05. > :16:06.she carried a thermometer Really happy with how my

:16:07. > :16:17.health is and things. What kind of lasting physical

:16:18. > :16:22.effects has Ebola had on you? As a result of the meningitis,

:16:23. > :16:38.certain parts of my body are a bit numb or a bit painful as a result

:16:39. > :16:41.of the nerve damage. Even in the past couple

:16:42. > :16:44.of months I've noticed small My health is not what it was before,

:16:45. > :16:49.but it's pretty much as good as it's going to get,

:16:50. > :16:51.and I'm really happy with that. What is the difference

:16:52. > :16:54.between now and before you had In a physical sense I think

:16:55. > :16:59.I was used to being so fit and doing It was a big part of my life

:17:00. > :17:05.and then the first time round, the first time I had Ebola,

:17:06. > :17:09.it was OK. I managed to get back to sort

:17:10. > :17:12.of normal health and then obviously had a relapse with meningitis,

:17:13. > :17:16.which badly affected me. There was a relapse

:17:17. > :17:20.and then meningitis. The relapse was a result

:17:21. > :17:26.of me having Ebola. The Ebola caused meningitis

:17:27. > :17:28.and I had chronic meningitis What about the sort

:17:29. > :17:41.of psychological side of things? Surprisingly, they've been

:17:42. > :17:44.pretty good, actually. It's been a pretty

:17:45. > :17:52.tough couple of years. I'm not particularly

:17:53. > :17:57.a sentimental kind of person. I don't sit and analyse

:17:58. > :17:59.things greatly which has And at one point, I think, you felt

:18:00. > :18:10.so ill, you actually wanted to die. Is that right?

:18:11. > :18:12.Yeah. Can you tell me a little

:18:13. > :18:14.bit about that? It was the first time

:18:15. > :18:19.when I was really, I think there was a lot

:18:20. > :18:27.going on medical wise. I just remember people

:18:28. > :18:30.being around me and having a lot of intervention at the time

:18:31. > :18:34.and it was too much. I was in pain and probably suffering

:18:35. > :18:38.at the time and after that I don't What did Ebola actually

:18:39. > :18:43.do to your body? So, it's really

:18:44. > :18:48.multiple organ failure. The vomiting and diarrhoea you have

:18:49. > :18:51.is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it

:18:52. > :18:55.and the organs start failing. So it affects many parts

:18:56. > :19:02.of the body in the acute stage. There are long-term

:19:03. > :19:04.repercussions as well. I thought, well when I was first

:19:05. > :19:17.told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good

:19:18. > :19:20.and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in

:19:21. > :19:23.Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access

:19:24. > :19:41.to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances

:19:42. > :19:43.would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here,

:19:44. > :19:48.I would be dead now. The after effects of the meningitis,

:19:49. > :19:58.so the relapse that I had I was just destroyed,

:19:59. > :20:01.my body was destroyed. I was in a wheelchair initially

:20:02. > :20:08.when I got out of hospital and then I was on crutches and sticks

:20:09. > :20:13.and it's been a long, long, slow process and I'm

:20:14. > :20:22.still in a stage of healing really. You saw people dying in large

:20:23. > :20:25.numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total,

:20:26. > :20:33.and now you're going back. I'm going back next

:20:34. > :20:43.month with a small UK They're doing some great things

:20:44. > :20:51.in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon

:20:52. > :20:56.and I'm going back there with them. I definitely wouldn't be

:20:57. > :21:04.up for the marathon, but I plan to do 10K while I'm

:21:05. > :21:13.there, help with some fundraising and Street Child's identified 1200

:21:14. > :21:17.children who are particularly vulnerable and they were orphaned

:21:18. > :21:21.as a result of Ebola. So it'll be great to go out

:21:22. > :21:26.there and see Sierra Leone itself in a different state and also know

:21:27. > :21:30.that I might be able to help as well I think psychologically it's

:21:31. > :21:35.important as well that I go back. That's where things kind of started

:21:36. > :21:38.for me and I've had a terrible So it'll be good to go back,

:21:39. > :21:44.just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure,

:21:45. > :21:50.and end up with something good, Can you recall some

:21:51. > :22:02.of the situations you were in when you were there

:22:03. > :22:04.in 2014, trying to help families,

:22:05. > :22:06.to treat patients? There's only one occasion

:22:07. > :22:09.in particular where it was a boy that witnessed the death

:22:10. > :22:10.of his mother. So in that situation,

:22:11. > :22:13.how old was this boy? And his mother is dying from Ebola

:22:14. > :22:21.and you're trying to presumably keep her comfortable

:22:22. > :22:25.in her last hours. Yeah, because she was

:22:26. > :22:29.end of life, yeah. He was just distraught,

:22:30. > :22:36.as you would be. And he'd lost other members

:22:37. > :22:42.of his family as well, so... I don't know what

:22:43. > :22:47.happened to him after. Is he someone that you might be

:22:48. > :22:50.able to try and seek It's Ebola free and has been

:22:51. > :23:08.for some time now, Sierra Leone. There might who some who say,

:23:09. > :23:11.what are you doing? Most people have been supportive

:23:12. > :23:15.if they know I'm going back. I've had a few people,

:23:16. > :23:21.like family and friends, who have said just be careful

:23:22. > :23:24.when you get back there. I'm not going there with any

:23:25. > :23:29.trepidation or anything like that. What do you think the public's

:23:30. > :23:37.reaction will be to you going back? I think after everything that's

:23:38. > :23:42.happened, the general public have So I think they would,

:23:43. > :23:51.well, think the same, I'm going there for

:23:52. > :23:59.a good cause as well. Physically, how will you find

:24:00. > :24:01.running 10K do you think? I'm not a big fan of running at all,

:24:02. > :24:11.so it's going to be hard. But like I said, this time last year

:24:12. > :24:15.I couldn't even run and now I can, so it will be tough,

:24:16. > :24:21.but I'm up for the challenge. I did, yeah, especially

:24:22. > :24:34.after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that

:24:35. > :24:45.I was carrying a thermometer with me I guess from this year onwards,

:24:46. > :24:53.I'm not thinking that way at all. I'm pretty positive

:24:54. > :24:55.it's not going to happen. Not only did you come

:24:56. > :25:00.close to dying twice, but you were then accused of putting

:25:01. > :25:06.the public at risk by hiding your high temperature

:25:07. > :25:08.at the Public Health England unit before being allowed to fly

:25:09. > :25:10.to Glasgow from Heathrow, and accused of taking paracetamol

:25:11. > :25:12.deliberately to reduce You were cleared after a two-day

:25:13. > :25:25.hearing when the Nursing and Midwifery Council panel

:25:26. > :25:27.ruled that you were in a diminished medical

:25:28. > :25:29.state and merely swept along by events and found

:25:30. > :25:31.there was absolutely no attempt to mislead anybody.

:25:32. > :25:34.Certainly not the PHE doctors. How do you reflect on the fact that

:25:35. > :25:36.you were investigated? I don't hold anything

:25:37. > :25:39.against the Nursing They were just purely

:25:40. > :25:46.doing their job. It kind of came

:25:47. > :25:50.at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me

:25:51. > :25:54.with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me

:25:55. > :25:57.when I was already going I have been, but I did

:25:58. > :26:13.leave the screening area, You know, I was very annoyed

:26:14. > :26:21.with myself at the time that I did leave it,

:26:22. > :26:28.but that was rectified pretty fast. And I guess, if anything,

:26:29. > :26:30.I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how

:26:31. > :26:36.they looked after me when I was in Heathrow,

:26:37. > :26:39.and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think

:26:40. > :26:44.things are still ongoing. You say you're disappointed,

:26:45. > :26:46.why do you think they took Why do you think

:26:47. > :27:12.they investigated you? Because I left the screening area

:27:13. > :27:15.when I had a fever and didn't You said you felt guilty

:27:16. > :27:18.about having left that screening area and you started

:27:19. > :27:21.to question yourself. No, I don't, because I was really

:27:22. > :27:25.unwell at the time under rather I'd been travelling for 24 hours,

:27:26. > :27:29.and finished on night But no, I don't feel

:27:30. > :27:32.guilty about that now. As I said, you were cleared

:27:33. > :27:36.after that two-day hearing. There has been no public apology

:27:37. > :27:41.from Public Health England. Is that the end of the

:27:42. > :27:44.matter for you or not? I think going to Sierra Leone

:27:45. > :27:51.will help with closure on that Is this trip to Sierra Leone

:27:52. > :27:59.the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that,

:28:00. > :28:03.a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is

:28:04. > :28:05.the start of a new phase? Travelling was a big part of my life

:28:06. > :28:17.before and I've not really done a great deal since I've been unwell

:28:18. > :28:21.just because I've not been able to. I'm not sure if I would go

:28:22. > :28:24.and volunteer and do aid work again. I think after having Ebola the first

:28:25. > :28:29.time I would have because I made a pretty fast recovery,

:28:30. > :28:36.but after the relapse, no. How would you describe the last

:28:37. > :28:48.couple of years in your life? Difficult, but a challenge and I'm

:28:49. > :29:16.still smiling and I plan on just Morris has tweeted, I can't work out

:29:17. > :29:29.if Pauline Cafferkey is brave or callous. Another communication asks

:29:30. > :29:30.whether it's brave or irresponsible to put herself in that situation

:29:31. > :29:31.again. The latest on the reports

:29:32. > :29:34.from Germany that police are investigating a possible

:29:35. > :29:37.Islamist link with an attack on the We'll be live at their training

:29:38. > :29:40.ground where they're And we're live in Moscow

:29:41. > :29:46.where the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is meeting

:29:47. > :29:49.now with his Russian counterpart counterpart to urge the Kremlin

:29:50. > :29:51.to abandon its support Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:29:52. > :30:01.with a summary of today's news. Police in Germany are investigating

:30:02. > :30:03.a possible Islamic link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying

:30:04. > :30:06.the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund

:30:07. > :30:14.Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been

:30:15. > :30:21.postponed until this evening. Shortly we'll be speaking

:30:22. > :30:23.to a Borussia Dortmund fan and a sports journalist

:30:24. > :30:30.for the German newspaper, Bild. The US Secretary of State,

:30:31. > :30:32.Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:30:33. > :30:35.in Moscow, less than a week after the United States bombed

:30:36. > :30:38.an air base in Syria. He wants to persuade the Kremlin

:30:39. > :30:43.to drop its support for the current Syrian regime and its

:30:44. > :30:45.president, Bashar al-Assad. However, the Russian President,

:30:46. > :30:47.Vladimir Putin maintains that Assad's forces were not responsible

:30:48. > :30:49.for the chemical attack which Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

:30:50. > :30:57.Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

:30:58. > :31:02.in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

:31:03. > :31:04.which strip out the impact of new store openings,

:31:05. > :31:18.grew 1% in the year to February. Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey who

:31:19. > :31:21.contracted ebola fwh Sierra Leone in 2014 has told this programme that

:31:22. > :31:25.she is going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear

:31:26. > :31:29.about returning to Sierra Leone three years after she became ill.

:31:30. > :31:33.Pauline Cafferkey said she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds for

:31:34. > :31:34.orphaned children, will give her closure after what she describes as

:31:35. > :31:38.a pretty tough couple of years. The head of United Airlines has

:31:39. > :31:42.apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

:31:43. > :31:44.in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

:31:45. > :31:46.screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

:31:47. > :31:49.from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

:31:50. > :31:52.a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

:31:53. > :31:54.said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

:31:55. > :31:57.and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

:31:58. > :31:59.mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

:32:00. > :32:09.had followed established procedures. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:32:10. > :32:28.News - more at 10am. Board are yousia Dortmund will play

:32:29. > :32:35.their match this evening following the attack on their team bus last

:32:36. > :32:39.night. Leicester will be in action against Atletico Madrid. Leicester

:32:40. > :32:46.captain Wes Morgan travelled to Madrid, but isn't fit enough to

:32:47. > :32:50.start. Juventus' player reeked havoc

:32:51. > :32:54.against Barca last night. The City of Liverpool want to host the 2026

:32:55. > :33:00.Commonwealth Games as well as the 2022 event after the South African

:33:01. > :33:01.city of Durban pulled out. The sports executive will chair the bid.

:33:02. > :33:07.That's all the sport for now. German police are investigating

:33:08. > :33:09.who was responsible for what's being called a targeted attack

:33:10. > :33:11.on the football team Three explosive devices,

:33:12. > :33:14.hidden in bushes, were detonated shortly after the team's bus left

:33:15. > :33:16.the luxury hotel where They were on their way

:33:17. > :33:22.to their Champions League It's still not clear

:33:23. > :33:25.whether the devices were detonated One of the players, Marc Bartra,

:33:26. > :33:32.was injured when the bus' We can go live to Dortmund

:33:33. > :33:42.now where we're joined by Helge Doering, a Dortmund fan

:33:43. > :33:44.who was at the stadium We've also got Sebastian Kolsberger,

:33:45. > :33:47.a sports journalist He's outside the training ground

:33:48. > :33:54.in Dortmund where the football team are due to arrive for training

:33:55. > :34:03.in the next half an hour. And you expect them to turn up as

:34:04. > :34:10.normal? We expect at 11am, between 9am and 10am and now they're having

:34:11. > :34:25.breakfast with the team together and the trainer, the coach, and the rest

:34:26. > :34:31.of the team, I think at 11am they will have training for the game

:34:32. > :34:34.tonight. What frame of mind are they going to be in after what happened

:34:35. > :34:46.last night and ahead of tonight's game? Yeah, it will be very

:34:47. > :34:56.difficult for the players especially.

:34:57. > :35:03.INAUDIBLE Yes, it will be a very difficult

:35:04. > :35:07.game for them. Hopefully everything will be OK.

:35:08. > :35:10.Hopefully, thank you very much. I'm going to leave it there because it

:35:11. > :35:13.feels really windy and we're struggling to hear you, but we got

:35:14. > :35:16.the gist of what you were saying. It will be difficult for the team in

:35:17. > :35:22.terms of replaying this game tonight particularly when one of their own

:35:23. > :35:26.is in hospital being treated. Helge you were close to the stadium when

:35:27. > :35:30.it happened? I was on my way to the stadium. What was the atmosphere

:35:31. > :35:35.like when the news started filtering through? I always take like a 20

:35:36. > :35:40.minute walk to the stadium and I had two of my friends with me and we

:35:41. > :35:44.were chatting along about the probable result of the game and what

:35:45. > :35:50.tactics and so on and when we just were close to the entrance gates

:35:51. > :35:54.like ten meters away we overheard somebody from the Dortmund team, he

:35:55. > :36:00.was talking to someone and he said there had been a blast on the bus

:36:01. > :36:04.and then I grabbed my phone and I already had like 20 messages from

:36:05. > :36:09.friends and my brother warning me not to go to the stadium and then I

:36:10. > :36:18.said well, we'll just leave the scene here and go to somewhere where

:36:19. > :36:21.it's not crowded because yeah, in the wake of the of the Paris attacks

:36:22. > :36:30.I thought maybe if there is another strike it will be here. So just

:36:31. > :36:35.leave the scene and when we left, we already saw a calm at moss ferks but

:36:36. > :36:40.like many people like one-third of the fans was also leaving the scene

:36:41. > :36:45.and normally it's just a one way direction. They all go towards the

:36:46. > :36:52.stadium and not coming from it and like half of the people were looking

:36:53. > :37:00.in their mobile cellar phones or they were talking on it. It was a

:37:01. > :37:07.hard situation and a strange feeling and we tried to yeah to avoid big

:37:08. > :37:14.crowds and move to the city centre. Will you go to the game this

:37:15. > :37:19.evening? I'm not quite sure. I have a friend coming over from Finland.

:37:20. > :37:24.He wants to see the game, but I'm not sure if they should play today.

:37:25. > :37:28.I think out of respect for Marc Bartra and for the wounded

:37:29. > :37:34.policeman, I think there should be no game at all. I think they should

:37:35. > :37:43.stop it and not play at all and it's out of respect for the players. They

:37:44. > :37:50.have trauma. I don't know if, it will not be a game in normal

:37:51. > :37:57.circumstances and I think even if we drop out of the competition right

:37:58. > :38:02.now, I will still be proud of this team and yeah, I don't know. Out of

:38:03. > :38:08.respect for the players and for the game I think Uefa should not start

:38:09. > :38:17.the game today. So you would be happy to for the game, this match

:38:18. > :38:22.between Dortmund and Monaco, not to go ahead and Dortmund forfeit their

:38:23. > :38:29.place and let Monaco progress? If it is the way to protect the players,

:38:30. > :38:36.yesterday they were witnesses, they were targets of massive blast. I

:38:37. > :38:42.don't know how it could have killed them all. I think one day later you

:38:43. > :38:48.expect them to play football like nothing happened, I think that's a

:38:49. > :38:56.really, really strange view of the game. The games have to go on and

:38:57. > :39:00.don't give in to those terror groups, but yeah, I would be

:39:01. > :39:06.completely happy if they say we cannot play today. We just don't

:39:07. > :39:10.feel right and this would be completely OK with me as a fan. I

:39:11. > :39:15.would be proud if they did. Really interesting. Thank you very

:39:16. > :39:19.much, Helge for their thoughts. Helge Doering who was close to the

:39:20. > :39:27.stadium. Let's talk now to a security expert.

:39:28. > :39:30.Lee Doddridge, director of Covenant, a security and risk company.

:39:31. > :39:31.He was also involved in co-ordinating security

:39:32. > :39:34.at London 2012 Olympics and was at the National Counter

:39:35. > :39:40.German media are reporting that the letter found close to the scene

:39:41. > :39:46.apparently said in the name of Allah, so the police are looking at

:39:47. > :39:49.an Islamist link. That's been confirmed. That wouldn't be a huge

:39:50. > :39:53.surprise, would it? From a security prospective and looking back on

:39:54. > :39:59.previous attacks it would be a surprise if Isis were actually part

:40:00. > :40:06.of this attack purely there is a number of reasons. The method in

:40:07. > :40:10.which it was deployed, the remote, the remote IED being used and

:40:11. > :40:16.actually leaving a letter. It is very speculative on that claim and

:40:17. > :40:20.possibly could be a ploy by other groups to shift the blame on to Isis

:40:21. > :40:28.and the migrant community. It might not be, you know, an Isis

:40:29. > :40:37.organised explosion, but it could be an individual inspired by Isis? It

:40:38. > :40:42.could well be. But also there is a significant change here is where we

:40:43. > :40:46.have had lone wolf attacks using vehicles or other devices to make a

:40:47. > :40:52.remote IED with a trigger whether it is a phone or some other mechanism,

:40:53. > :40:54.there is a high level of training and sophistication which doesn't fit

:40:55. > :41:00.with the current threats that we have seen in Europe. OK. You were

:41:01. > :41:04.partly responsible for co-ordinating security at London 2012. Security

:41:05. > :41:11.around any high-profile sporting event is a huge job, isn't it? It

:41:12. > :41:14.is, but in the UK and throughout Europe, we are well rehearsed and

:41:15. > :41:18.have held some fantastic tournaments. If we look at the

:41:19. > :41:22.security operation at the Euros last year and the final moving into

:41:23. > :41:26.Cardiff this June, Cardiff is no stranger to large sporting events

:41:27. > :41:30.and the security. Obviously they will look at the current inquiry and

:41:31. > :41:38.make appropriate measures if they need to.

:41:39. > :41:40.In terms of the security surrounding the rescheduled game today, that

:41:41. > :41:45.will be upped? Without a dausmt it is still early in the investigation.

:41:46. > :41:49.So you would expect a higher security presence which the fans I

:41:50. > :41:55.think would also welcome. And you know the event will probably go

:41:56. > :41:56.ahead as planned for this evening, but with just additional resources

:41:57. > :42:07.on the ground. Thank you very much. This morning, fresh figures

:42:08. > :42:09.were published on how many people are employed in the UK and how

:42:10. > :42:12.much they earn. Joining me now is our

:42:13. > :42:16.Economics Editor Kamal Ahmed who can Good morning. Good morning,

:42:17. > :42:19.Victoria. Quite a mixed picturement on employment strong figures.

:42:20. > :42:23.Unemployment is at a 12 year low. People are able to find jobs and

:42:24. > :42:26.that is good news for the economy. But what's interesting is the

:42:27. > :42:29.earnings figure. More interesting, we know we have been having

:42:30. > :42:33.increased inflation since the fall in the value of sterling after the

:42:34. > :42:38.referendum. That's meant that import prices of food and fuel are getting

:42:39. > :42:44.more expensive. Yesterday the Office for National Statistics announced

:42:45. > :42:50.that inflation was 2.3%. Today, average incomes are rising by 2.2%.

:42:51. > :42:54.So they have fallen below that monthly inflation figure. That means

:42:55. > :42:59.that the income squeeze is back. What's incredible Victoria, since

:43:00. > :43:05.the financial crisis incomes have hardly risen since 2008. If you take

:43:06. > :43:11.average weekly earnings from 2008 and look at them today, people are

:43:12. > :43:17.still ?26 a week on average worse off than they were in 2008. This

:43:18. > :43:20.income squeeze has returned for a period we had low inflation,

:43:21. > :43:24.although wages weren't going up fast, we had very low inflation. Now

:43:25. > :43:28.the inflation is coming back. The income squeeze is starting. People

:43:29. > :43:31.are realising that food prices are going up, and clothing prices are

:43:32. > :43:35.going up. This is one of the problems for the UK economy for this

:43:36. > :43:40.year. Our economy is very much based on consumer confidence and consumers

:43:41. > :43:44.spending and continuing to spend if they find their spending power is

:43:45. > :43:46.reduced, they stop spending and that could mean economic growth could

:43:47. > :43:51.slow. We will see what happens. Thank you very much. Thank you.

:43:52. > :43:53.President Trump's foreign policy chief Rex Tillerson is in Moscow

:43:54. > :43:57.holding crucial talks about the situation in Syria

:43:58. > :43:59.with his Russian opposite number, Sergei Lavrov.

:44:00. > :44:03.The US Secretary of State is trying to persuade Russia to stop

:44:04. > :44:08.supporting President Assad's regime following last week's suspected

:44:09. > :44:14.chemical attack on a rebel-held town in which 89 people died.

:44:15. > :44:18.But Mr Tillerson's prospects of success do not look huge.

:44:19. > :44:20.Ahead of the meeting the Kremlin repeated that the deaths

:44:21. > :44:23.were a consequence of Syrian government forces bombing a storage

:44:24. > :44:31.facility where chemical weapons held by the rebels were being stored.

:44:32. > :44:39.The meeting has got underway with an uncompromising statement from the

:44:40. > :44:47.Russian Foreign Minister. Let's hear what he said.

:44:48. > :44:51.TRANSLATION: We have raised multiple times that we are prepared for a

:44:52. > :45:11.constructive equal footing. This is our consistent policy and it

:45:12. > :45:16.is completely in line with the international law and it is not

:45:17. > :45:22.influenced by the current politically mat with the complicated

:45:23. > :45:35.choices and wrong choices either with us or against us.

:45:36. > :45:40.We believe in collective actions and we do not think it's effective to

:45:41. > :45:52.have the hind closed doors alliances. -- to have the Hind

:45:53. > :45:55.closed doors alliances. We have given our position, we have got our

:45:56. > :46:09.message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times.

:46:10. > :46:16.It is important for us to understand your intentions and the intentions

:46:17. > :46:19.of the US and the real intentions of this Administration. We hope we can

:46:20. > :46:28.clear those things up today. Welcome. And this was Rex

:46:29. > :46:33.Tillerson's response. Our meetings today come at an important moment in

:46:34. > :46:38.the relationship so that we can further clarify areas of common

:46:39. > :46:43.objectives and common interests, even when our tactical approaches

:46:44. > :46:46.might be different. And to further clarify areas of sharp difference so

:46:47. > :46:51.we can better understand why these differences exist. And what the

:46:52. > :46:57.prospects for narrowing those differences might be. I look forward

:46:58. > :47:02.to a very open, candid and frank exchange so we can better to find

:47:03. > :47:05.the US- Russian relationship from this point. -- better define.

:47:06. > :47:09.Live to Moscow and our correspondent Sarah Rainsford.

:47:10. > :47:15.Can you draw out the significance of those comments? It's clear this will

:47:16. > :47:21.be a tough conversation that these two men are sitting down to. I think

:47:22. > :47:27.what's important from what Sergei Lavrov said is that Russia doesn't

:47:28. > :47:33.take kindly to being told to choose, are you with us or against us? His

:47:34. > :47:37.main point was to say that Russia has made its position clear for a

:47:38. > :47:41.long time and acts in its own national interest. When it comes to

:47:42. > :47:47.Syria that has always been about supporting President Assad so far.

:47:48. > :47:52.Russia is heavily politically and militarily supporting Assad in

:47:53. > :47:56.Syria. It seems from what Sergei Lavrov says, that it will not change

:47:57. > :48:00.under pressure from Washington. But he says he's open to dialogue and

:48:01. > :48:05.what he's underlining is that this is a meeting where Russia wants to

:48:06. > :48:11.know really what the US foreign policy, and what its policy towards

:48:12. > :48:15.Russia and towards Syria is. There was a slight snort from Sergei

:48:16. > :48:19.Lavrov when he said, we want to know your real intentions. He said people

:48:20. > :48:22.are not even in post in the State Department and we don't know where

:48:23. > :48:26.you are coming from. That was the implication of what he was saying.

:48:27. > :48:32.Rex Tillerson has come here with a strong position saying that basher

:48:33. > :48:37.al-Assad is not part of the solution for Syria and he will have to go. I

:48:38. > :48:46.think it will be a difficult dialogue today. When we look back a

:48:47. > :48:49.few months to when Donald Trump and his team took over the White House,

:48:50. > :48:54.there was a hopeful mood in Moscow, but now I think we are back to a

:48:55. > :48:57.very difficult relationship. The Foreign Ministry here has described

:48:58. > :49:02.it as one of the most complex times for relations since the end of the

:49:03. > :49:05.Cold War. But there hadn't been a chemical attack then on killing 89

:49:06. > :49:13.Syrian people. Really tough conversations. I wonder what can be

:49:14. > :49:18.achieved. Clearly Rex Tillerson came here with very strong language

:49:19. > :49:23.accusing Moscow of either being complicit or incompetent as regard

:49:24. > :49:27.the attack. He made the point Russia had committed to making sure Syria

:49:28. > :49:34.had handed over its chemical weapons and it didn't use or maintain any

:49:35. > :49:40.for the future. Rex Tillerson says Russia either knew about what was

:49:41. > :49:44.happening or was complacent in allowing it to happen. Russia has

:49:45. > :49:51.said very strongly, and we heard again from President Putin in an

:49:52. > :49:57.interview he gave overnight, that the Syrian government denies its

:49:58. > :50:04.responsibility for the attack. Sergei Lavrov called it illegal.

:50:05. > :50:07.That the United States launched missiles into Syria to the base

:50:08. > :50:12.where the attack was allegedly carried out from. It's hard to see

:50:13. > :50:24.where the two sides come together. It's early days relationship.

:50:25. > :50:28.Whether those sides can look for positive cooperation and move

:50:29. > :50:33.forward, it's difficult to see. Is President Putin only forced to care

:50:34. > :50:37.about what the US says because of those missile strikes? I think the

:50:38. > :50:42.President Putin domestically feels pretty stronger at the moment. I

:50:43. > :50:47.don't think that missile strike has changed much there. It's acted in a

:50:48. > :50:53.way, on the contrary, it has allowed President Putin once again to return

:50:54. > :50:58.to the position of showing Russia has an external enemy, a country

:50:59. > :51:03.whose interests don't coincide with Russia's and to present Russia as

:51:04. > :51:12.the victim in this. Russia will argue it has been unfairly accused

:51:13. > :51:15.of actions in Syria. Russia will use this, to a domestic audience at

:51:16. > :51:22.least, to prop up its current position. I think Putin is not too

:51:23. > :51:29.worried by what's happened. I think there is a sense of confusion about

:51:30. > :51:33.what US foreign policy is and where the US stands because there have

:51:34. > :51:37.been conflicting messages. This is the first chance to clarify

:51:38. > :51:40.positions face to face around the table at the Foreign Ministry and

:51:41. > :51:44.see where things go from here. Thank you, Sarah Raynsford.

:51:45. > :51:49.From Moscow, Alexander Bovdunov, a journalist with the website

:51:50. > :51:57.Jan Halper Hayes is a member of President Trump's transition team.

:51:58. > :52:00.And Xenia Wickett is head of US and the Americas Programme

:52:01. > :52:02.at policy institute, Chatham House.

:52:03. > :52:14.How bad would you say relations are between Russia and the US? I can

:52:15. > :52:21.only say that our feelings about this visit can be described in one

:52:22. > :52:27.word, frustration. Today we have no hopes and no big expectations

:52:28. > :52:32.because those missile strikes, they really damaged the situation. Before

:52:33. > :52:36.then there had been certain hopes that Rex Tillerson might improve the

:52:37. > :52:42.US - Russia relations and might restore mutual cooperation is in the

:52:43. > :52:50.sphere of fighting terrorism. Today we see that he can't do that. The US

:52:51. > :52:53.administration tries to negotiate from a position of strength. I think

:52:54. > :53:00.it's not the best way to talk with Russia. Bringing in a member of

:53:01. > :53:05.President Trump's transition team. Do you know what the US foreign

:53:06. > :53:10.policy is at the moment? Are we talking about the whole US foreign

:53:11. > :53:15.policy or the situation with Syria? In general he cares about defeating

:53:16. > :53:20.Isis. His other concern was to work with our eyes to focus on cyber

:53:21. > :53:29.security and working to share intelligence. I don't think his

:53:30. > :53:37.position has changed that much. -- work with our allies. What happens

:53:38. > :53:42.with Trump is that he says one thing and then you put him in a box and

:53:43. > :53:46.you don't allow the other aspects. That's one of the reasons he was

:53:47. > :53:51.voted in. The foreign policy was always there. It was always

:53:52. > :53:57.non-interventionist. I think we need to look at the parallel between

:53:58. > :54:03.Trump and Ronald Reagan in 1981 with the Gulf of Citra. They both took

:54:04. > :54:06.over after their world very weak Democratic presidents who had a

:54:07. > :54:10.really reduced the military. What they needed to do was say that there

:54:11. > :54:18.is a strong player in town and we are not going to take this. This was

:54:19. > :54:24.a marked, strategic strike. A one-off? Very much so. As Nikki

:54:25. > :54:28.Haley said at the UN, if you do it again, we will react. This is

:54:29. > :54:37.blowing it out of proportion and think it leads to boots on the

:54:38. > :54:51.ground and that's unrealistic. What should America's top diplomat's what

:54:52. > :54:56.should his approach be? I think we should be optimistic. And we should

:54:57. > :55:02.take the same approach as when President Trump met the Chinese

:55:03. > :55:05.president last week. It's too early right now in the days of Donald

:55:06. > :55:12.Trump for the State Department to have figured out what their policy

:55:13. > :55:17.is. It doesn't have the personnel. It didn't spend months or years

:55:18. > :55:19.figuring out what their position would be if they took office,

:55:20. > :55:23.perhaps because they were not expecting it. And they were not

:55:24. > :55:30.expecting a chemical attack on the Syrian people as well. Exactly. We

:55:31. > :55:34.need to rein in expectations. This is about getting to know one

:55:35. > :55:38.another. We shouldn't expect they will suddenly be steps forward in

:55:39. > :55:43.the US and Russia relationship. I agree with Jan, I think this is a

:55:44. > :55:48.one off rather than a strategy. Perhaps where I disagree is that

:55:49. > :55:52.this was not a strategic attack against Syrians, this was a

:55:53. > :55:55.responsive attack against Syrians. But I think the foreign policy

:55:56. > :56:03.Donald Trump laid out during the campaign, which is one of America

:56:04. > :56:07.first, which is one of directly focusing on US national interests,

:56:08. > :56:11.is the one we will see over the longer-term. With the occasional act

:56:12. > :56:16.like this. What is the US national interest when it comes to Syria? A

:56:17. > :56:21.great question. Donald Trump and his team have laid it out, is to

:56:22. > :56:27.counterterrorism, it's IS, that's where it is. This was a reactive

:56:28. > :56:31.event. More outrage, perhaps. In many cases many would argue that it

:56:32. > :56:35.was actually a very positive act. To assume from this one act that

:56:36. > :56:40.America's foreign policy is suddenly changing from what Donald Trump laid

:56:41. > :56:46.out in his campaign is vastly misguided. You also have to take

:56:47. > :56:49.into consideration that the Egyptian president and King Abdullah had been

:56:50. > :56:56.at the White House in the days preceding this. And the focus was on

:56:57. > :56:59.the Syrian chemical attack. At the Rose Garden, with King Abdullah in

:57:00. > :57:04.the press conference, Donald Trump said that we were getting more money

:57:05. > :57:09.to Jordan because they were the only country really taking care of the

:57:10. > :57:15.refugees. Both leaders reiterated that those refugees wanted to return

:57:16. > :57:18.to their country. An Associated Press representative asked Donald

:57:19. > :57:22.Trump if he had taken responsible Defour the red Line Obama had put

:57:23. > :57:26.down. He said, yes, it's my responsibility. He was very moved

:57:27. > :57:30.and upset by this because it was a chemical attack. Not for anything

:57:31. > :57:36.other than that. That was the strategic strike. I think we have to

:57:37. > :57:41.be a little careful. And President Trump needs to be careful. Because

:57:42. > :57:44.having an emotional response to something is not how you conduct

:57:45. > :57:50.foreign policy. I think we need to be careful. I agree with you in that

:57:51. > :57:53.we should not take this response, this attack on Syria is a

:57:54. > :57:58.manifestation of where American foreign policy is going. If I am in

:57:59. > :58:01.the footsteps, and I wouldn't want to be, of President Trump, I would

:58:02. > :58:06.be careful of taking emotional responses, because that will tie you

:58:07. > :58:10.win and cause challenges, as he has seen with the media response. Thank

:58:11. > :58:12.you both very much and 22 Alexander in Moscow.

:58:13. > :58:15.Coming up, we'll bring you the latest on those bombs

:58:16. > :58:17.targeting the Borussia Dortmund team bus and speak to a fan

:58:18. > :58:20.who was just metres away when the attack happened.

:58:21. > :58:23.German media reports this morning that police are investigating an

:58:24. > :58:25.Islamist link. Let's get the latest weather

:58:26. > :58:36.update with Philip Avery. A very good morning to you. At no

:58:37. > :58:40.little expense, I will start off with three weather watcher pictures

:58:41. > :58:45.that give an indication of the varied conditions. In the far south,

:58:46. > :58:51.it's as glorious as that, and moving further north you go into a cloudier

:58:52. > :58:57.zone. At its worst, the weather really is that bad. It all comes

:58:58. > :59:01.thanks to a weather front that's sat over the north of the British Isles

:59:02. > :59:05.yesterday that has now spread its cloud and rain further southwards to

:59:06. > :59:08.the extent we have seen a wet morning across parts of Northern

:59:09. > :59:13.Ireland, southern Scotland, and rain across the Pennines getting as far

:59:14. > :59:17.down as the Wash. There is no great speed about the retreat of the

:59:18. > :59:22.weather front for south. The good news is, if you happen to get

:59:23. > :59:29.tangled up with it, as it comes further south it will show less and

:59:30. > :59:33.less rain. The odd spot of rain might get down to Pembrokeshire and

:59:34. > :59:36.the South Midlands, and maybe a spot in East Anglia. The Southern

:59:37. > :59:45.counties getting away with in essentially dry day. 11-16 covers

:59:46. > :59:51.the temperatures for most of us. Going into Thursday, the big

:59:52. > :59:54.picture, we have quite a few isobars on the chart, especially in the

:59:55. > :59:58.north-eastern quarter of Scotland. A chilly start and a bright one for

:59:59. > :00:03.the greater part of the East and two thirds of the British Isles. Cloud

:00:04. > :00:07.from the word go in the north-west and filling in all the while.

:00:08. > :00:11.Increasing chances of showers if not longer spells of rain in the

:00:12. > :00:14.north-west quarter of Scotland. I'm afraid you will lose sunshine

:00:15. > :00:19.perhaps on the eastern side of the British Isles. Not completely but it

:00:20. > :00:23.will cloud up. Into Good Friday, and there is a chance of quite a bit of

:00:24. > :00:28.cloud around. Temperatures not bad for the time of year. Nowhere near

:00:29. > :00:32.the weekend, but that's was always the plan. Some rain out West that

:00:33. > :00:38.will break forward to the east. That sets us up for the holiday weekend.

:00:39. > :00:43.The main message is, it's not a write off anywhere across the

:00:44. > :00:47.British Isles. I will show you Saturday, Sunday and on into Monday

:00:48. > :00:51.quickly. Weather fronts coming through, one in the northern half of

:00:52. > :00:55.the British Isles on Sunday, high pressure in the south, still settle.

:00:56. > :00:59.A great deal of uncertainty into Monday at the moment. The whole

:01:00. > :01:04.system is quite mobile and if it rains on you for a wee while, don't

:01:05. > :01:05.despair, it will not do it right through the course of the holiday

:01:06. > :01:12.weekend. Our top story Police

:01:13. > :01:18.are investigating a possible Islamist link to the three

:01:19. > :01:20.explosions which hit the Borussia Dortmund

:01:21. > :01:22.team bus last night - that's according to

:01:23. > :01:31.German media reports. Juanfran believes the rescheduled

:01:32. > :01:37.game shouldn't go ahead today. I think they shouldn't play today, out

:01:38. > :01:40.of respect for Marc Bartra and the wounded policeman, I don't think

:01:41. > :01:42.there should be a game at all. -- one fan believes.

:01:43. > :01:44.We have the latest on the investigation.

:01:45. > :01:46.We'll get the latest on the investigation and speak

:01:47. > :01:50.to one fan who was moments from the scene of the blast.

:01:51. > :01:52.Also, the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us,

:01:53. > :01:54.in an exclusive interview, she has no trepidation

:01:55. > :01:57.about returning to Sierra Leone - the country where she contracted

:01:58. > :01:59.the virus Ebola, which twice nearly killed her.

:02:00. > :02:01.It's really multiple organ failure - the vomiting and diarrhoea

:02:02. > :02:04.is so profuse that the organs can't keep up with it, and the organs

:02:05. > :02:09.start failing, so it affects many parts of the body.

:02:10. > :02:10.And you can read more about Pauline Cafferkey

:02:11. > :02:24.One woman tells this programme how her council knew

:02:25. > :02:28.she was being abused by her school teacher, but did nothing.

:02:29. > :02:30.Now the Victims' Commissioner says teachers and social workers should

:02:31. > :02:33.be prosecuted if they fail to alert the authorities to allegations

:02:34. > :02:37.On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar

:02:38. > :02:47.and told me not to move and made me sit there naked.

:02:48. > :02:51.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:52. > :02:56.Police in Germany say they're investigating a possible Islamist

:02:57. > :02:58.link to last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

:02:59. > :03:06.There are reports in the German media that an antifascist group

:03:07. > :03:09.claimed it carried out the attack. Three explosions hit the bus,

:03:10. > :03:11.which was taking the club's players to their Champions League

:03:12. > :03:13.quarter-final against Monaco. Police say they believe the club

:03:14. > :03:15.was deliberately targeted. Forensic teams have spent the night

:03:16. > :03:23.examining the blast site. Three devices in what police

:03:24. > :03:25.described as a targeted attack exploded as the players' bus

:03:26. > :03:33.left their hotel shortly after 7pm. It's believed the explosives

:03:34. > :03:35.were hidden in a hedge and were But two panes at the back

:03:36. > :03:39.shattered, injuring Spanish international Marc Bartra,

:03:40. > :03:41.who has undergone surgery. At a press conference

:03:42. > :03:47.held soon afterwards, a spokesman for the team gave

:03:48. > :03:52.an update on his condition. TRANSLATION: Marc Bartra

:03:53. > :03:57.is being operated on right now for a broken bone in his right hand

:03:58. > :04:01.and he has got various glass shards The team, through captain

:04:02. > :04:04.Marcel Schmelzer, just rang me. They're still very shocked

:04:05. > :04:06.and thinking about Marc. The police are still trying

:04:07. > :04:11.to establish who was behind An official from the state

:04:12. > :04:17.prosecutor revealed that a letter TRANSLATION: I can say a letter

:04:18. > :04:26.was found near the blast scene. At the moment, due to the ongoing

:04:27. > :04:29.investigation, I can't give more The authenticity is

:04:30. > :04:33.being investigated. The devices exploded

:04:34. > :04:36.about ten kilometres The match has been postponed

:04:37. > :04:41.until later today. The world of football has come

:04:42. > :04:44.together in wishing Bartra a full recovery and condemning the attack,

:04:45. > :04:45.which has unsettled The US Secretary of State,

:04:46. > :04:58.Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:04:59. > :04:59.in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call

:05:00. > :05:03.for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime

:05:04. > :05:05.after last week's Ahead of the talks Mr Tillerson said

:05:06. > :05:09.he was looking forward Mr Lavrov said US airstrikes

:05:10. > :05:23.in Syria were a "violation of law". We have given our position. We have

:05:24. > :05:37.got our message across to Washington and to you as well multiple times.

:05:38. > :05:44.And it is important for us to understand your intentions and the

:05:45. > :05:47.intentions of the US and the real intentions of this administration,

:05:48. > :05:49.but we hope that we can clear up today these things.

:05:50. > :05:52.President Trump's spokesman, Sean Spicer, has apologised

:05:53. > :05:54.for saying that Adolf Hitler didn't use chemical weapons.

:05:55. > :05:57.Mr Spicer made the remark in a White House press briefing,

:05:58. > :06:01.as he answered questions about the war in Syria.

:06:02. > :06:03.The Anne Frank Centre, which campaigns for human rights,

:06:04. > :06:06.described Mr Spicer's comment as an "evil slur" and said he now

:06:07. > :06:13.Britain's biggest supermarket chain, Tesco, has reported a 30% rise

:06:14. > :06:19.It made more than ?1.2 billion in the last financial year.

:06:20. > :06:20.Like-for-like sales, which strip out the impact

:06:21. > :06:23.of new store openings, grew 1% in the year to February.

:06:24. > :06:25.The company's chief executive, Dave Lewis, said he was

:06:26. > :06:35.The head of United Airlines has apologised for what he called

:06:36. > :06:37.the "truly horrific" incident in which a passenger

:06:38. > :06:39.was forcibly dragged, screaming, from a flight.

:06:40. > :06:41.Footage of David Dao being removed from the overbooked plane was posted

:06:42. > :06:45.on social media and sparked a backlash against the company.

:06:46. > :06:50.The chief executive, Oscar Munoz, said, "I deeply apologise

:06:51. > :06:53.to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard.

:06:54. > :06:55.No one should ever be mistreated this way."

:06:56. > :07:03.Originally he had maintained staff had followed established procedures.

:07:04. > :07:06.A voter registration site that crashed in the run-up to last year's

:07:07. > :07:08.EU referendum could have been targeted by a foreign cyber attack,

:07:09. > :07:13.The "register to vote" site crashed on 7th June last year just before

:07:14. > :07:15.the deadline for people to sign up to vote.

:07:16. > :07:17.The Government and electoral administrators blamed a surge

:07:18. > :07:21.But MPs on the Parliamentary Public Administration Committee say

:07:22. > :07:32.a foreign cyber attack could not be ruled out.

:07:33. > :07:34.The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey, who contracted ebola

:07:35. > :07:36.in Sierra leone in 2014, has exclusively told this

:07:37. > :07:38.programme that she's going back to the country.

:07:39. > :07:41.The 41-year-old says she has no fear about returning to Sierra Leone,

:07:42. > :07:45.Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes the trip, which is to raise funds

:07:46. > :07:47.for orphaned children, will give her closure

:07:48. > :07:57.after what she describes as a "pretty tough couple of years".

:07:58. > :08:03.I think psychologically it is important as well that I go

:08:04. > :08:06.back and that's where things kind of started for me and I've had

:08:07. > :08:09.a terrible couple of years since then so it would be good to go

:08:10. > :08:15.back just for things to come full circle for me.

:08:16. > :08:19.A little bit of closure and end up with something good. Something

:08:20. > :08:22.positive as well. A shrimp which makes some

:08:23. > :08:25.of the loudest sounds in the ocean has been named after the rock band,

:08:26. > :08:27.Pink Floyd. It might not sound like it,

:08:28. > :08:41.but the pistol shrimp, synalpheus pinkfloydi,

:08:42. > :08:45.can use its claw to create a sound louder than a gunshot

:08:46. > :08:48.and that is powerful enough That's a summary of the latest BBC

:08:49. > :08:57.News - more at 10.30am. Thank you very much.

:08:58. > :09:01.Gillian has e-mailed from Wimbledon. I'm furious listening to your cat

:09:02. > :09:07.with Pauline Cafferkey this morning. My daughter was on the same flight

:09:08. > :09:11.flying in December 2014 to Heathrow. We had to monitor our temperature

:09:12. > :09:16.for 21 days following this flight. She had no punitive punishment over

:09:17. > :09:20.her behaviour and I resent your soft touch interview without getting to

:09:21. > :09:23.the core of the issue which is complete lack of concern about the

:09:24. > :09:29.people who travelled at the same time as her." Helen says, "This Lady

:09:30. > :09:37.Is nothing short offer responsible to go back to Sierra Leone." Audrey

:09:38. > :09:41.says, "She is brave. Fantastic that she has recovered from Ebola twice?"

:09:42. > :09:54.Is this brave? It is a question quite a few of you are raising.

:09:55. > :09:57.Coming up, the Russian journalist who broke the story that gay men

:09:58. > :09:59.are being held in camps in the Chechen Republic,

:10:00. > :10:01.where they are subjected to torture and beatings,

:10:02. > :10:06.tells us that she has had to go into hiding because of her report.

:10:07. > :10:18.The Borussia Dortmund players are back in training this morning.

:10:19. > :10:20.The Champions League quarter-final between Borussia Dortmund and Monaco

:10:21. > :10:24.It was postponed yesterday evening after the Dortmund

:10:25. > :10:26.team bus was attacked 90 minutes before kick-off.

:10:27. > :10:29.Thousands of fans were already in the stadium when news began

:10:30. > :10:32.to filter in about the attack, and the opposing Monaco fans

:10:33. > :10:33.chanted their support for the Dortmund players.

:10:34. > :10:35.The football world has joined together in wishing defender

:10:36. > :10:38.Marc Bartra a speedy recovery after he was admitted to hospital

:10:39. > :10:40.for surgery on his wrist after being caught up

:10:41. > :10:43.This morning, the Dortmund president praised the fans.

:10:44. > :10:54.I was very lucky when I heard how the fans reacted and called,

:10:55. > :11:02."Dortmund. Dortmund." It is solidarity that we have like this

:11:03. > :11:07.only in sport and that's the only positive thing we learned yesterday.

:11:08. > :11:13.In sport, it is possible to make solidarity and to make respect, to

:11:14. > :11:17.help each other. I'm sure that the people are discussing the whole day

:11:18. > :11:22.what happened yesterday. But when they come to the stadium, we will

:11:23. > :11:25.have a fantastic atmosphere. That's what I feel.

:11:26. > :11:30.In the other quarter-final, Juventus put Barcelona

:11:31. > :11:36.through another embarrassing Champions League defeat.

:11:37. > :11:39.That's three in their last four games on the road now.

:11:40. > :11:42.Paulo Dibala scored twice in Juve's 3-nil win.

:11:43. > :11:44.Uefa has said security measures will be tight around

:11:45. > :11:46.all the European ties this week, including Leicester's

:11:47. > :11:48.quarter-final first leg against Atletico Madrid tonight.

:11:49. > :11:50.The Leicester players will have to focus on matters

:11:51. > :11:53.ON the pitch though as they embark on one of the biggest

:11:54. > :11:57.Last year's Premier League winners are the only English club

:11:58. > :12:00.Captain Wes Morgan has travelled with the team but won't start,

:12:01. > :12:04.BBC Radio Leicester's Ian Stringer is in Madrid this morning,

:12:05. > :12:09.and says the players will relish the occasion.

:12:10. > :12:15.I think it's the biggest game in the club's history. I have been watching

:12:16. > :12:20.Leicester City, my dad took me when I was four or five years. I'm

:12:21. > :12:27.privileged to work for BBC Radio Leicester now. I think it is the

:12:28. > :12:33.biggest game in the club's history. So I think this is an enormous game

:12:34. > :12:37.and if they can keep the game alive, keep it alive for next week, they

:12:38. > :12:40.won't want to come to the King Power stadium.

:12:41. > :12:43.Liverpool has put its bidding team together to host either the 2022

:12:44. > :12:51.Former FA chief executive, Brian Barwick, will chair the city's

:12:52. > :12:53.bid which was initially just for the 2026 Games.

:12:54. > :12:55.But Durban's withdrawal from hosting the 2022 event,

:12:56. > :12:58.Birmingham and Manchester have also expressed interest,

:12:59. > :13:00.with Manchester potentially being part of a joint

:13:01. > :13:17.That's all the sport for now. Victoria.

:13:18. > :13:21.A series of explosions, three in total.

:13:22. > :13:27.Police are studying a letter found near the scene which apparently says

:13:28. > :13:31.in it in the name of Allah. They are looking at investigating a claim of

:13:32. > :13:36.responsibility from an antifascist groupment one player treated in

:13:37. > :13:40.hospital when the bus' reinforced windows shattered and a police

:13:41. > :13:45.motorcyclist was hurt. The team were off to their Champions League game

:13:46. > :13:45.at the stadium against Monaco. The game is rescheduled for this

:13:46. > :13:48.afternoon. He was close to the scene of

:13:49. > :13:53.the blasts when the attack happened. Chris Phillips is Former Head

:13:54. > :14:02.of the National Counter Are you going to go to the game

:14:03. > :14:10.today? No, I'm not going there. I think it's too dangerous and on

:14:11. > :14:17.the other side it is a mark of respect not to go there. I think you

:14:18. > :14:26.shouldn't go there, no. It is not safe. But your team will be there.

:14:27. > :14:31.Your team will be running out to play that rescheduled game? I think

:14:32. > :14:36.Borussia Dortmund will play tonight, but I think I'm going to stay at

:14:37. > :14:44.home. Right. Even though security is being increased? Yeah, even though

:14:45. > :14:53.security has been increased because I think it is just 24 hours ago or

:14:54. > :14:56.even less now so I don't go there, no. Right. That's really

:14:57. > :15:04.interesting. Stay with us if you can. Chris Phillips, so, you know,

:15:05. > :15:10.people are afraid. Quite rightly. Which is when others say well, that

:15:11. > :15:13.means the terrorists win? It is it is pointing because actually we as a

:15:14. > :15:17.public have a duty really to carry on business as usual or else we do

:15:18. > :15:20.let the terrorists win. That's really interesting. You think we

:15:21. > :15:24.have a duty to carry on as normal? Absolutely. Because these are

:15:25. > :15:29.individualsment there is no doubt this is a pretty amateur style of

:15:30. > :15:33.terrorism. Anyone could do something similar to this if they really

:15:34. > :15:37.ranted to. The same as we saw in Sweden and the same as we saw in

:15:38. > :15:41.London. Pretty much anyone can do that if they had the desire to do

:15:42. > :15:46.it. What we've got to do is say OK this is happening. We in London and

:15:47. > :15:49.the UK have faced terrorism for 100 years and the best reaction is

:15:50. > :15:53.actually business as usual. Do you judge people who are aid

:15:54. > :15:58.frayed and who want to stay at home and stay safe? No, I don't judge

:15:59. > :16:03.them at all. I think people have got to make their own decision, but we

:16:04. > :16:07.have to as a population say look, one person who has dropped these

:16:08. > :16:10.very small devices next to a team bus cannot be allowed to impact the

:16:11. > :16:14.rest of our lives. What do you say to our former

:16:15. > :16:21.counter-terrorism expert? I'm with you. I agree. Terrorism does not

:16:22. > :16:26.have to have such an impact on the people, that's right. We should not

:16:27. > :16:33.be afraid, but I think, you know, it's just 20 hours ago. It's a bit

:16:34. > :16:37.too fast to keep on like nothing happened, but you're right, we

:16:38. > :16:45.should not be afraid at all and I think in one week, everybody is not

:16:46. > :16:48.shocked at all so much. It is not so shocked anymore and then everything

:16:49. > :16:56.is OK. I don't think the period of just 20 hours, that's too less time.

:16:57. > :17:02.Tell me what the atmosphere is like there. We can see officers behind

:17:03. > :17:09.you. It's not business as usual, is it? No, of course. Many cars are

:17:10. > :17:18.usually drying along with this street. There is usually a lot of

:17:19. > :17:22.traffic. -- driving along this street. The police have closed the

:17:23. > :17:29.whole street. Over there is the hotel where the team bus starts to

:17:30. > :17:32.go to the stadium, usually. Yesterday there were three bombs on

:17:33. > :17:42.the side of the road that made the bus explode. I think people in

:17:43. > :17:46.Dortmund are relaxed because we know the police are doing a good job, and

:17:47. > :17:52.the fans are relaxed. Everybody knows what to do. Is it true that a

:17:53. > :18:01.similar kind of explosion took place in the area last week? Yes, that's

:18:02. > :18:11.right. I just live 800 metres away. That's what I was thinking, because

:18:12. > :18:15.one week ago there was someone who made a gas explosion and destroyed

:18:16. > :18:22.his whole house with that, a crazy guy. Or maybe it's not a crazy guy,

:18:23. > :18:31.maybe he's making some gas experiments. But then I went to the

:18:32. > :18:40.road, saw all the police cars and the Borussia Dortmund bus sat there

:18:41. > :18:46.and I thought it must be something different. As former head of

:18:47. > :18:50.National counterterrorism security office, where would you be

:18:51. > :18:54.investigating now? They have to find the person responsible. The letter

:18:55. > :19:02.will give them lots of clues. Ironically, this game we are looking

:19:03. > :19:05.at and the area will probably be the safest that Dortmund have ever held

:19:06. > :19:12.because of the security presence. I think the important thing is to

:19:13. > :19:16.catch the individual. There are different kinds of terrorism now.

:19:17. > :19:20.Individuals who are basically amateurs, and this appears to be one

:19:21. > :19:24.of those who are intent on causing damage. We also have to really worry

:19:25. > :19:28.about the more professional people who are coming back from Syria and

:19:29. > :19:33.Iraq. Why do you say the person behind this is amateur? It's not

:19:34. > :19:37.very good, the thing is easy to do. It wasn't a big explosion, very

:19:38. > :19:41.small and we do not know what explosives they used yet. If it was

:19:42. > :19:46.a bigger explosive we would have been talking about a lot of people

:19:47. > :19:50.dying. The thing we have to face, unfortunately, is that explosives,

:19:51. > :19:54.we haven't really seen explosive is being used recently in terrorist

:19:55. > :19:58.attacks. Those things are really scary. What we have to double our

:19:59. > :20:02.efforts at is preventing terrorists from being able to get hold of

:20:03. > :20:07.explosive material, whether its explosives or the component parts.

:20:08. > :20:11.Businesses that deal with the component parts, and they know who

:20:12. > :20:14.they are, have to redouble their efforts to make sure they sell to

:20:15. > :20:20.the right people only. Could those devices have been operated from a

:20:21. > :20:27.distance, remotely, or would somebody have to be in sight of the

:20:28. > :20:30.bus to explode them at the moment? Almost certainly, unless there was a

:20:31. > :20:34.specific time, it would have been dealt with by somebody close by. But

:20:35. > :20:38.there are options. You can use mobile phones to detonate. We have

:20:39. > :20:42.seen it many times in the past. There are a lot of options for

:20:43. > :20:50.terrorists who are quite good. Unfortunately nobody -- fortunately,

:20:51. > :20:54.nobody has been seriously injured. That was because of the reinforced

:20:55. > :20:59.glass on the coach. And nine out of ten people killed in explosions are

:21:00. > :21:03.killed because of flying glass. All businesses have to make sure they

:21:04. > :21:09.have protective glazing. Thank you for coming on the programme. That

:21:10. > :21:14.Dortmund fan, not going to the game later.

:21:15. > :21:15.Documents uncovered by this programme show

:21:16. > :21:18.Cambridgeshire County Council failed to protect a 15-year-old

:21:19. > :21:20.girl from being sexually abused by her teacher.

:21:21. > :21:24.Social services had previously written to warn the council

:21:25. > :21:26.about the teacher - who cannot be named -

:21:27. > :21:29.but he was allowed to continue teaching.

:21:30. > :21:31.Noel Phillips has this exclusive report, and just to warn

:21:32. > :21:33.you there are graphic descriptions of the abuse suffered

:21:34. > :21:45.It's every parent's worst nightmare - a shocking betrayal of trust.

:21:46. > :21:47.He was in a position of responsibility, authority

:21:48. > :21:56.Jeremy Forrest was more than a maths teacher,

:21:57. > :21:59.he was a sexual predator who abused a 15-year-old student

:22:00. > :22:05.Tell us how it was you managed to keep those children silent?

:22:06. > :22:15.He filmed himself sexually abusing young girls on school premises.

:22:16. > :22:17.Serious case reviews found that teaching staff ignored

:22:18. > :22:27.Currently there is no law to say a school must report sexual abuse.

:22:28. > :22:30.But the Victims Commissioner wants the government to make it a criminal

:22:31. > :22:32.offence for teachers and social workers not to report

:22:33. > :22:40.We send children to schools, we send children to social workers

:22:41. > :22:42.and everybody and you think the essence of their core training

:22:43. > :22:48.If we don't ensure we protect them when something goes horrendously

:22:49. > :22:52.wrong, then we need to encourage more strategy and more

:22:53. > :23:07.The abuse happened, say, four or five times a week.

:23:08. > :23:12.It would be in the classroom store cupboard.

:23:13. > :23:16.Abigail, which is not her real name, was just 15 when she says

:23:17. > :23:20.she was groomed and raped by her teacher.

:23:21. > :23:23.A man who she claims used his profession as a cover

:23:24. > :23:32.On several occasions he tied me to a radiator with a dog collar

:23:33. > :23:45.You believe a few teachers at the time in your school suspected

:23:46. > :23:50.Yeah, but he was as careful as he could have been.

:23:51. > :23:51.I was getting extra tuition after school.

:23:52. > :23:54.He would tell me afterwards to go and wait in the store cupboard.

:23:55. > :23:58.There I would wait until he knew most of the teachers had gone home

:23:59. > :24:11.And this would happen in the classroom?

:24:12. > :24:14.For the first three years, it would happen in the classroom.

:24:15. > :24:18.And after say, four, five months, he started

:24:19. > :24:25.To do that, he would get me to jump into the back of the car,

:24:26. > :24:29.sit behind the seats and be covered up by a blanket, so that

:24:30. > :24:32.when we got to his house, nobody would see me go in the house.

:24:33. > :24:40.He would drive into the garage and then I would have to get out.

:24:41. > :24:45.For legal reasons, we cannot name the teacher, but documents we have

:24:46. > :24:48.seen shows he was arrested in the early 80s after being accused

:24:49. > :24:51.of sexually abusing two vulnerable girls at a secondary school

:24:52. > :24:55.in Cambridgeshire, but was found not guilty.

:24:56. > :24:58.Shortly afterwards, in the early 90s, a number of chances were missed

:24:59. > :25:03.by Cambridgeshire County Council to monitor him before

:25:04. > :25:08.he went on to abuse Abigail at a school in Whittlesey.

:25:09. > :25:14.It's all very well that he was found not guilty in a criminal court,

:25:15. > :25:16.but it was deemed that there was sufficient evidence for him

:25:17. > :25:21.to be criminally charged with the most serious offences

:25:22. > :25:27.against children and he's in a

:25:28. > :25:29.position of responsibility as a teacher.

:25:30. > :25:31.He has then moved to the school where Abigail is.

:25:32. > :25:34.If that had been in place, this would never have happened.

:25:35. > :25:39.A social worker involved in the case was so concerned that she wrote

:25:40. > :25:40.a report to Cambridgeshire County Council.

:25:41. > :26:05.Despite this, he was still given a full-time job.

:26:06. > :26:08.I mean, it's either a conspiracy or a cock-up.

:26:09. > :26:12.Colin Shaw was a labour county council at the time.

:26:13. > :26:14.Colin Shaw was a labour county councillor at the time.

:26:15. > :26:17.He says he believes there was a cover-up by the council that

:26:18. > :26:19.allowed a teacher to carry out the abuse.

:26:20. > :26:21.I cannot see how somebody would have missed it.

:26:22. > :26:23.There certainly seems to have been a cover-up,

:26:24. > :26:27.given the amount of evidence there was at the time.

:26:28. > :26:30.I think there seems to be, actually, appalling failures by the Council,

:26:31. > :26:38.Now there are questions that remain unanswered.

:26:39. > :26:43.How much was known about exactly what was going on behind these gates

:26:44. > :26:45.at the community college two decades ago?

:26:46. > :26:47.Cambridgeshire County Council were made aware of the teacher's history,

:26:48. > :26:51.but yet he was still offered a job here.

:26:52. > :26:56.When Abigail reported the abuse to police in 1998, the teacher told

:26:57. > :26:59.detectives their relationship was sexual after she was 18

:27:00. > :27:02.and that it ended because he was in love with another pupil

:27:03. > :27:07.I would like the government to consider mandatory reporting.

:27:08. > :27:09.We hear of so many things that happen to victims.

:27:10. > :27:17.If they don't feel they have proper redress...

:27:18. > :27:19.The Victims Commissioner, Baroness Newlove, says in order

:27:20. > :27:21.to prevent similar cases, the government should introduce

:27:22. > :27:23.mandatory reporting and make it a crime for anyone who suspects

:27:24. > :27:29.If you have some inclination that something is not quite right,

:27:30. > :27:32.you have been given some information that supports what you think,

:27:33. > :27:38.It's not right to say, I had suspicions, when actually

:27:39. > :27:42.those suspicions are happening to that individual.

:27:43. > :27:44.Would mandatory reporting prevent serious failings that we have seen

:27:45. > :27:52.I think by having mandatory reporting it gives confidence

:27:53. > :27:55.to victims that if they do go to people, go to organisations

:27:56. > :28:02.to say they have been abused, and the severity of the bees

:28:03. > :28:05.to say they have been abused, and the severity of the abuse

:28:06. > :28:08.is still not listen to, if we have mandatory reporting,

:28:09. > :28:13.They go to an individual who they hope believes them.

:28:14. > :28:16.And if they don't believe them, they walk away.

:28:17. > :28:22.Baroness Newlove says it's time for Britain to adopt a system

:28:23. > :28:24.to that of Australia and the US, where reporting sexual

:28:25. > :28:28.No one here from Cambridgeshire County Council would speak to me

:28:29. > :28:38.on camera, but in a statement they have apologised and agreed

:28:39. > :28:41.an out-of-court settlement of more than half a million pounds.

:28:42. > :28:44.They go on to say that the school itself and the whole vetting

:28:45. > :28:46.and checking process is very different from the systems

:28:47. > :28:49.Abigail still bears the scars of her ordeal.

:28:50. > :28:52.The abuse she suffered has led to a life of self harming,

:28:53. > :28:53.depression and mental health problems.

:28:54. > :29:02.I wanted to have children, which I have not been able to do,

:29:03. > :29:05.because I don't have a sexual relationship with my husband.

:29:06. > :29:14.But I'm not able to have children and I feel that's been robbed of me.

:29:15. > :29:17.A teacher has been banned from teaching for life.

:29:18. > :29:20.Campaigners say mandatory reporting would improve child protection

:29:21. > :29:23.and that's why the law needs to change.

:29:24. > :29:27.The Home Office has told us a consultation is now taking place

:29:28. > :29:31.on how to reform the child protection system when it comes to

:29:32. > :29:38.But for Abigail, she just hopes her story will encourage other

:29:39. > :29:55.Schools are getting so desperate for cash they have money to help plug

:29:56. > :30:04.the gap in funding. Police in Germany are investigating

:30:05. > :30:07.a possible Islamist link after three explosions damaged a bus carrying

:30:08. > :30:10.the football team, Borussia Dortmund One player was injured and Dortmund

:30:11. > :30:15.Police believe the vehicle The match against Monaco has been

:30:16. > :30:22.postponed until this evening. The US Secretary of State,

:30:23. > :30:24.Rex Tillerson, is meeting his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov

:30:25. > :30:26.in Moscow this morning. He's expected to call

:30:27. > :30:28.for the Kremlin to withdraw its support for the Syrian regime

:30:29. > :30:31.after last week's chemical weapons attack Ahead of the talks

:30:32. > :30:33.Mr Tillerson said he was looking forward to a "frank

:30:34. > :30:35.and open exchange". Mr Lavrov said US air strikes

:30:36. > :30:45.in Syria were a "violation of law". Britain's biggest supermarket chain,

:30:46. > :30:48.Tesco, has reported a 30% rise It made more than ?1.2 billion

:30:49. > :30:51.in the last financial year. Like-for-like sales,

:30:52. > :30:53.which strip out the impact of new store openings,

:30:54. > :30:55.grew 1 per cent in The company's chief

:30:56. > :30:58.executive Dave Lewis said The head of United Airlines has

:30:59. > :31:08.apologised for what he called the "truly horrific" incident

:31:09. > :31:10.in which a passenger was forcibly dragged,

:31:11. > :31:11.screaming, from a flight. Footage of David Dao being removed

:31:12. > :31:14.from the overbooked plane was posted on social media and sparked

:31:15. > :31:20.a backlash against the company. The chief executive, Oscar Munoz,

:31:21. > :31:22.said, "I deeply apologise to the customer forcibly removed

:31:23. > :31:25.and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be

:31:26. > :31:27.mistreated this way." Originally he had maintained staff

:31:28. > :31:37.had followed established procedures. The Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey

:31:38. > :31:39.- who contracted Ebola in Sierra leone in 2014 -

:31:40. > :31:41.has exclusively told this programme that she's

:31:42. > :31:43.going back to the country. The 41-year-old says she has no fear

:31:44. > :31:46.about returning to Sierra Leone, Ms Cafferkey told Victoria she hopes

:31:47. > :31:51.the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children,

:31:52. > :31:52.will give her closure after what she describes

:31:53. > :32:01.as a "pretty tough couple of years". That's a summary of the latest

:32:02. > :32:03.news, join me for BBC Borussia Dortmund are back

:32:04. > :32:14.in training this morning and will replay their Champions League

:32:15. > :32:18.quarter final, this evening The match was postponed

:32:19. > :32:22.following that attack Meanwhile Leicester will be

:32:23. > :32:27.in action against Atletico Madrid, who have reached the final

:32:28. > :32:29.of the competition twice Leicester captain Wes Morgan has

:32:30. > :32:38.travelled to Madrid but isn't Great Britain's Fed Cup team

:32:39. > :32:42.for next week's World Group II qualifier against Romania has been

:32:43. > :32:44.named this morning. World number seven Johanna Konta

:32:45. > :32:46.will lead the side. She's joined by Heather

:32:47. > :32:48.Watson, Laura Robson, The city of Liverpool want to host

:32:49. > :32:52.the 2026 Commonwealth Games, as well as the 2022 event,

:32:53. > :32:55.after the South African city Sports executive Brian Barwick

:32:56. > :33:06.will chair the bid. Reports from Germany say a letter

:33:07. > :33:14.found near the scene of last night's attack on the Borussia Dortmund

:33:15. > :33:16.football team suggests But police have stressed it

:33:17. > :33:20.could be a false lead. Uefa says security at matches

:33:21. > :33:22.is being stepped up. He's a freelance journalist

:33:23. > :33:29.based in Dortmund. He was at the police press

:33:30. > :33:40.conference last night That's one of the lines of inquiry,

:33:41. > :33:46.clearly? Yes, that's been the latest news, various German newspapers have

:33:47. > :33:52.reported on the possible Islamist content of this letter. The

:33:53. > :33:58.newspaper reported that the letter starts with the words, "In the name

:33:59. > :34:03.of Allah the merciful." And refers to the Berlin Christmas market

:34:04. > :34:08.attacks as well as the German Army's involvement in the anti-Isis

:34:09. > :34:16.coalition in Syria and is referring to Germany as a crusader nation that

:34:17. > :34:19.is a target for Islamists. The police are investigating whether

:34:20. > :34:25.this letter is actually authentic or not. Yes, one theory is it could be

:34:26. > :34:31.a hoax to frame somebody else, to frame another group or organisation

:34:32. > :34:38.or whatever? Exactly. There is actually a second letter claiming

:34:39. > :34:44.responsibility that popped up online which is obviously a fake written

:34:45. > :34:50.from the prospective of far leftists. The police are also

:34:51. > :34:56.investigating this, but it reads as a clear utter fake. OK. Can I ask

:34:57. > :35:01.you separately about far-right hooliganism? My understanding is

:35:02. > :35:06.there has been a clamp down on such hooligans recently, is that right?

:35:07. > :35:12.Well, there have been some clashes between Dortmund supporters and

:35:13. > :35:18.supporters of a team from another area in Dortmund that did draw a lot

:35:19. > :35:23.of media attention. There are hooligans in Dortmund. There are

:35:24. > :35:27.right-wing hooligans in Dortmund, but everything in that direction at

:35:28. > :35:33.this moment is nothing more than speculation I'd say. Sure. I've

:35:34. > :35:37.spoken to two Dortmund fans, it is only two, thousands have got tickets

:35:38. > :35:45.for the rescheduled game and neither is going to that match. They don't

:35:46. > :35:50.feel safe? Yes, I think the police are giving their best to ensure

:35:51. > :35:56.safety at the match this evening. Last night at the press conference

:35:57. > :36:01.Dortmund's chief of police stressed that the police is deploying

:36:02. > :36:08.additional forces to the match, to secure the match, to secure the

:36:09. > :36:15.players and the fans and to do all they can, but of course, there can

:36:16. > :36:18.never be 100% security at any football match and especially what

:36:19. > :36:23.happened last night. A lot of people probably won't feel safe.

:36:24. > :36:29.Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us.

:36:30. > :36:36.This news, President Trump's wife has accepted damages and an apology

:36:37. > :36:41.from The Daily Mail newspaper and Mail online, publisher of Associated

:36:42. > :36:48.Newspapers at the High Court in London. Melania Trump accepted

:36:49. > :36:52.damages from The Daily Mail and Mail Online at the High Court in London

:36:53. > :36:56.over allegations about her work as a professional model.

:36:57. > :37:02.Damages and an apology from The Daily Mail and Mail Online,

:37:03. > :37:03.Associated Newspapers because of allegations they made about her

:37:04. > :37:08.works a professional model. Last week we reported that more

:37:09. > :37:11.than 100 gay men had been rounded up by authorities in Chechnya

:37:12. > :37:13.and subjected to torture. Now there are now allegations

:37:14. > :37:16.that they are being kept in secret prisons described by some

:37:17. > :37:21.as concentration camps. Russian newspaper, Novaya Gazeta,

:37:22. > :37:24.and human rights campaigners claim gay people are being tortured

:37:25. > :37:27.and beaten - sometimes Earlier I spoke to the journalist

:37:28. > :37:32.who broke the story, who told me Two of them in the capital

:37:33. > :37:45.of Chechnya, Grozny, one of them in Argun,

:37:46. > :37:47.this is the first secret prison we got to know,

:37:48. > :37:52.where LGBT people were detained, We announced an emergency

:37:53. > :38:01.line for those people, we got this information about three

:38:02. > :38:04.or four weeks ago, It's pretty hard in Chechnya,

:38:05. > :38:13.especially with LGBT people, The region is very

:38:14. > :38:24.hard on those people. You would expect that the Chechen

:38:25. > :38:30.and Russian governments would deny that this is happening,

:38:31. > :38:34.and that is what they have done. Although they do not deny the fact

:38:35. > :38:45.that if they found this kind of people in Chechnya,

:38:46. > :38:47.they should be killed. They deny the secret camps

:38:48. > :38:59.and that they have detained more than 100 people and killed

:39:00. > :39:01.some of them. You cannot tell us exactly where

:39:02. > :39:04.you are now because you have had to leave Moscow and go into hiding.

:39:05. > :39:08.Why? They reacted in a very terrifying

:39:09. > :39:12.manner, because on 3rd April, in the biggest mosque in Grozny,

:39:13. > :39:23.15,000 religious people got together and announced a jihad on us,

:39:24. > :39:34.not just me only, but on the people, and they said they

:39:35. > :39:59.should be prosecuted. Elena Milashina there,

:40:00. > :40:00.the journalist who first Kheda Saratova is

:40:01. > :40:11.a prominent member of Chechnya's Human Rights Council

:40:12. > :40:13.which advises the government. After the initial reports emerged,

:40:14. > :40:16.she told a Russian radio station they could not be true because gay

:40:17. > :40:19.people did not exist in Chechnya. She told me - via her sister Asa -

:40:20. > :40:22.that she had personally investigated the site of one of the alleged

:40:23. > :40:25.camps, but found nothing. We went there, so we talked

:40:26. > :40:27.to the people living around. We tried to find out more about that

:40:28. > :40:31.place, but actually, we could not get any information,

:40:32. > :40:39.it is not confirmed. You have previously said that gay

:40:40. > :40:48.people did not exist in Chechnya. I was shocked, the first

:40:49. > :41:01.time when I heard that. There are 300

:41:02. > :41:02.gays in the republic, They are moving out of Chechnya,

:41:03. > :41:08.so I was shocked to hear about this situation and to hear

:41:09. > :41:16.about those numbers. What are yo as a human

:41:17. > :41:19.rights adviser going to do about the reports of gay people

:41:20. > :41:21.being tortured and killed? In this case, I need to receive

:41:22. > :41:32.an application from the person that Do you think it is likely,

:41:33. > :41:38.considering you have said in the past that homosexuality

:41:39. > :41:40.was evil and does not Why would a gay person who has been

:41:41. > :41:46.badly treated come to you for help? These people appeared

:41:47. > :42:05.before I said anything. According to our traditions,

:42:06. > :42:11.our society's opinion, Are you promising to help any gay

:42:12. > :42:21.people that need help in Chechnya? I just promise that I will help any

:42:22. > :42:40.person, any human being, that will approach me,

:42:41. > :42:43.so I will not ask about his I will do the utmost,

:42:44. > :42:54.I will help this person. One of Chechnya's most prominent

:42:55. > :42:56.members of the Human Rights Council promising to represent

:42:57. > :42:58.all those in need. As always we'll keep you updated

:42:59. > :43:03.with what happens on that story. In an exclusive interview,

:43:04. > :43:05.the Scottish nurse Pauline Cafferkey tells us she's going back

:43:06. > :43:08.to the country where she contracted Ebola -

:43:09. > :43:09.a disease which twice She says she has no trepidation

:43:10. > :43:13.about returning to Sierra Leone, three years after she became ill

:43:14. > :43:16.and suffered multiple organ failure. 41-year-old Ms Cafferkey hopes

:43:17. > :43:18.the trip, which is to raise funds for orphaned children there,

:43:19. > :43:21.will give her closure after I thought, well when I was first

:43:22. > :43:37.told that I had it, I thought that my chances would be pretty good

:43:38. > :43:40.and certainly more so than had I got it when I was in

:43:41. > :43:43.Sierra Leone and been treated So I knew that having access

:43:44. > :43:47.to the NHS and being treated by the NHS, my chances

:43:48. > :43:49.would be much higher, a doubt, if I wasn't treated here,

:43:50. > :43:59.I would be dead now. You saw people dying in large

:44:00. > :44:02.numbers of this disease as part 11,000 people died in total,

:44:03. > :44:06.and now you're going back. I'm going back next

:44:07. > :44:16.month with a small UK They're doing some great things out

:44:17. > :44:25.in Sierra Leone and every year they have a Sierra Leone marathon

:44:26. > :44:28.and I'm going back there with them. So it'll be good to go back,

:44:29. > :44:52.just for things to come full circle for me and a little bit of closure,

:44:53. > :44:55.and end up with something good, I did, yeah, especially

:44:56. > :45:01.after having a relapse, and it's not so long ago that

:45:02. > :45:05.I was carrying a thermometer with me How do you reflect on the fact that

:45:06. > :45:21.you were investigated? I don't hold anything

:45:22. > :45:22.against the Nursing They were just purely

:45:23. > :45:25.doing their job. It kind of came

:45:26. > :45:28.at a really bad time. It was very difficult for me

:45:29. > :45:33.with my physical health, so it was a massive stress on me

:45:34. > :45:36.when I was already going And I guess, if anything,

:45:37. > :45:46.I just feel disappointed with Public Health England and how

:45:47. > :45:48.they looked after me when I was in Heathrow,

:45:49. > :45:52.and I can't really say a great deal about it because I think

:45:53. > :46:01.things are still ongoing. Is this trip to Sierra Leone

:46:02. > :46:03.the start of you travelling again because you have done a lot of that,

:46:04. > :46:07.a lot of volunteering in the past? Do you think this is

:46:08. > :46:10.the start of a new phase? I'm not sure if I would go

:46:11. > :46:13.and volunteer and do aid work again. Difficult, but a challenge and I'm

:46:14. > :46:21.still smiling and I plan on just And you can watch that interview

:46:22. > :46:34.again on our programme page - It was a key policy

:46:35. > :46:36.of the last government - special funding targeted to help

:46:37. > :46:39.poorer school pupils by paying for things like extra tuition,

:46:40. > :46:41.breakfast and after school clubs, But head teachers say that money -

:46:42. > :46:46.the pupil premium as it's known - is actually being used to plug gaps

:46:47. > :46:48.elsewhere in the budget That's according to a survey of more

:46:49. > :46:52.than 1000 heads and classroom teachers by the Sutton Trust,

:46:53. > :46:54.an education charity, which says this is yet more evidence

:46:55. > :46:57.that the squeeze on funding is having a detrimental

:46:58. > :47:01.effect on schools. Let's talk to David Laws,

:47:02. > :47:04.the man who was responsible for delivering the pupil premium

:47:05. > :47:08.policy when he was schools minister in the last government,

:47:09. > :47:10.the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition. He now heads up the

:47:11. > :47:14.Education Policy Institute. Next to him is the Conservative MP

:47:15. > :47:17.and chairman of the Education Select And in our Suffolk studio

:47:18. > :47:21.is Geoff Barton, head teacher of King Edward VI school in Bury St

:47:22. > :47:23.Edmunds. Tell us what kind of things

:47:24. > :47:36.the pupil premium helps your school I think everybody working in

:47:37. > :47:39.education are welcome to the pupil premium because of the way it

:47:40. > :47:43.allowed us to do things for students whose parents might not be able to

:47:44. > :47:47.afford things. You mention some, like after-school clubs. We increase

:47:48. > :47:53.the numbers of maths and English teachers, giving one to one tuition.

:47:54. > :47:58.It's all try to close the gap. It's frustrating if some of those funds,

:47:59. > :48:02.which includes ?200,000 at our school, are being lost from being

:48:03. > :48:06.targeted to those youngsters. According to the survey, two thirds

:48:07. > :48:09.of head teachers like yourself are using the money to plug gaps

:48:10. > :48:14.elsewhere. You haven't yet but you might if things continue to be

:48:15. > :48:19.stretch next year? It's inevitable. I was speaking to a good friend of

:48:20. > :48:24.mine who is a headteacher in the north-east and needs to make a

:48:25. > :48:30.saving of ?170,000 this year. The only way to do that is not by not

:48:31. > :48:35.buying textbooks, is by reducing class sizes and teachers. Everybody

:48:36. > :48:40.will be disadvantaged. Its pragmatism over principles. That's

:48:41. > :48:44.what we need to do to make sure every child benefits from having a

:48:45. > :48:47.teacher in the classroom. The 200,000 you get from the pupil

:48:48. > :48:52.premium money, how much do you reckon you will spend on other

:48:53. > :48:56.things apart from no next year? In the coming year we have plans to

:48:57. > :49:00.make some changes to the curriculum in the sixth form. We think the

:49:01. > :49:05.pupil premium money we will spend will pretty much stay the same. But

:49:06. > :49:09.the extra staffing we have put into English and maths will discontinue,

:49:10. > :49:13.meaning class sizes will go up, which can reduce costs. We desperate

:49:14. > :49:17.they want to keep hold of a number of staff who works with parents of

:49:18. > :49:24.those children. We have 200 youngsters on pupil premium, getting

:49:25. > :49:27.their parents to always come to parents evening has been an issue.

:49:28. > :49:32.10% came two years ago, this year it was 75% because of that liaison

:49:33. > :49:36.person at the school having the direct contact. We think these

:49:37. > :49:40.things are tangible that will help those youngsters achieve in a long

:49:41. > :49:44.term. We believe this year 50% of those youngsters will do well,

:49:45. > :49:49.whereas two years ago it was 21%. There is the direct impact. Neil

:49:50. > :49:53.Carmichael, Conservative MP and chairman of the education select

:49:54. > :49:57.committee. Is it acceptable for headteachers to use pupil premium

:49:58. > :50:02.money on other things? The get one thing straight, we are spending ?42

:50:03. > :50:05.billion on education, the highest it's ever been and that demonstrates

:50:06. > :50:09.commitment from the government in terms of supporting schools. Is it

:50:10. > :50:13.acceptable to use the pupil premium money for things other than those

:50:14. > :50:18.pupils who need it? There are two questions here. That's the one I'm

:50:19. > :50:23.asking, is it acceptable? Is not acceptable to use pupil premium in

:50:24. > :50:26.such a way that it will not advantage the children who are

:50:27. > :50:30.supposed to be helped. That's what it is therefore. We have to think of

:50:31. > :50:33.it in the context of national funding and how it is being

:50:34. > :50:36.adjusted. I think the pupil premium should be included in the

:50:37. > :50:42.calculation of how much a school is getting through the new National

:50:43. > :50:45.formula. But it's not. You have heard the impact from Mr Barton and

:50:46. > :50:49.he talked about his colleague in the north-east of in red, who is having

:50:50. > :50:54.to make, despite what you say about the amount of money going in, we'll

:50:55. > :50:57.have to make ?170,000 of cuts in his school this year. The reason why I

:50:58. > :51:01.talked about the national formula for funding is because schools need

:51:02. > :51:05.to be treated fairly and in a more global sense. That's why I think

:51:06. > :51:13.it's important to discuss pupil premium in the context of wider

:51:14. > :51:15.funding within the schools. But the government isn't doing that. That's

:51:16. > :51:18.the position at the moment. We have ended the consultation period. My

:51:19. > :51:22.select committee has made the point that pupil premium should be

:51:23. > :51:26.included in this discussion. We will see if the government will respond

:51:27. > :51:31.to that. We have made other suggestions, including bringing in a

:51:32. > :51:35.floor so schools don't fall beneath a certain level. I think that would

:51:36. > :51:38.be a good way of giving some heads, perhaps the ones we have heard

:51:39. > :51:47.about, reassurance and their funding. The idea of pupil premium

:51:48. > :51:50.is to help young people who need that help. David Laws Kammy said in

:51:51. > :51:58.2010 that it would be a mistake to think the purpose of pupil premium

:51:59. > :52:03.is to protect schools from cuts. The Shard David Laws, you said in 2010.

:52:04. > :52:18.-- David Laws, you said in 2010. Most heads, as Neal implied, are

:52:19. > :52:22.spending the pupil premium on disadvantaged youngsters. The

:52:23. > :52:26.aspiration of the last government was that it would be extra money

:52:27. > :52:29.that allowed schools to do extra things for those young people. I

:52:30. > :52:36.think the risk now is we are going into a period which is according to

:52:37. > :52:39.the education policy Institute's figures that have been produced, is

:52:40. > :52:43.one of the toughest periods for school funding in the last 20 or 30

:52:44. > :52:47.years at most schools will have to make cuts to their real budgets. In

:52:48. > :52:52.that scenario there is a double risk. One is that schools might

:52:53. > :52:57.shift money from the disadvantage to other students. According to the

:52:58. > :53:01.Sutton trust survey today, two thirds of head teachers are already

:53:02. > :53:04.doing that, plugging gaps elsewhere. The data from the Sutton trust has

:53:05. > :53:08.also said other potentially contradictory things today. For

:53:09. > :53:12.example, it said only 5% of head teachers said this year the priority

:53:13. > :53:15.with the pupil premium money was to protect other budgets. I think what

:53:16. > :53:19.some of those heads are talking about is that they have used that

:53:20. > :53:23.money to protect existing disadvantaged Frodon in. I think the

:53:24. > :53:31.evidence is most heads are using it for the purpose it was meant that

:53:32. > :53:33.don't use the money for the purposes it was meant, what should happen to

:53:34. > :53:39.them? They are already looked at very closely by the schools

:53:40. > :53:43.inspectorate, Stead, to make sure the money is used to narrow the gap

:53:44. > :53:48.and Ofsted hold those schools to account. It's right they do so. It's

:53:49. > :53:50.also write the government should look at the implications of its

:53:51. > :53:56.squeeze on school funding over the next few years. And make sure that

:53:57. > :54:01.squeeze taking place... It's not a squeeze according to them. Neil

:54:02. > :54:04.Carmichael gave as those figures. The Department for Education say

:54:05. > :54:08.school funding is at its highest level on record at almost ?41

:54:09. > :54:13.billion and that is set to rise as pupil numbers rise. I think both

:54:14. > :54:17.Neil and the government would not dispute that over the next few years

:54:18. > :54:20.and the years of the government forecast, there will be a cut in

:54:21. > :54:26.real funding per pupil in every school in England even with the new

:54:27. > :54:30.national funding formula. Do you accept that? I think the question we

:54:31. > :54:34.need to ask is... You keep telling us what questions we are asking, do

:54:35. > :54:42.you accept what David Laws said that there will be a real terms cut and

:54:43. > :54:46.funding cut per-pupil. We have 9 million in a Clasie, and probably 10

:54:47. > :54:54.million by 20 20. We need to fund the arrival of that extra arrival.

:54:55. > :54:58.Of course we need to fund that. Do you accept what David Laws says is

:54:59. > :55:02.that there is a real terms cut in funding per pupil. I don't accept

:55:03. > :55:07.that. We calculate that for about half the schools in England over the

:55:08. > :55:13.next three years there will be quite large real terms cuts between six

:55:14. > :55:21.and 11% per-pupil. That's a lot of money and the risk I think...

:55:22. > :55:27.Per-pupil?! The risk then is some schools will re-divert this money

:55:28. > :55:31.from pupil premium. Jeff Porter do is nodding his head in agreement

:55:32. > :55:40.with David Laws. What could happen with Ofsted if the pupil premium

:55:41. > :55:43.money is used elsewhere? It was originally up to the school 's

:55:44. > :55:50.management and headteacher to make the decision. We would publish

:55:51. > :55:59.decision and how have Ofsted report on it. We are on a mission for their

:56:00. > :56:03.needs to be a new funding from, but that separate. There isn't enough

:56:04. > :56:05.funding in the system. We are 3 billion short in funding over the

:56:06. > :56:09.next three years and schools are having to do what they are having to

:56:10. > :56:13.go. Social justice ought to be a real part of it. I think that'll be

:56:14. > :56:17.brushed aside because of what we seemed in the classroom. What we

:56:18. > :56:22.have to do is make sure we provide that extra money. The government

:56:23. > :56:27.isn't doing that in terms of specific funds for new schools and

:56:28. > :56:31.so on. That will not help Geoff Barton's school or his colleague in

:56:32. > :56:35.the north-east, a school already up and running. I think we need to

:56:36. > :56:37.think very carefully about the impact of Brexit and everything else

:56:38. > :56:46.will reconsider the education system. The impact of Brexit, what

:56:47. > :56:50.do you mean? We will need more skills and not fewer skills as we

:56:51. > :56:55.deal with the difference in immigration. That will be something

:56:56. > :56:58.we have to respond to by making sure we provide those skills,

:56:59. > :57:03.particularly in the post-16 sector, which is the most urgent one. The

:57:04. > :57:06.challenge we are seeing is that when the pupil premium came in, the

:57:07. > :57:10.aspiration of all of us wasn't just that the money would be spent on

:57:11. > :57:14.disadvantaged pupils, but would ultimately allow schools to do

:57:15. > :57:18.something extra. More small group tuition and catch-up classes. Even

:57:19. > :57:22.if the money over the next few years continues to be targeted at pupil

:57:23. > :57:26.premium pupils, disadvantaged youngsters, school budgets as a

:57:27. > :57:28.whole are falling so it will be difficult for schools to do

:57:29. > :57:33.additional things other than just tried to make sure the money is

:57:34. > :57:37.going to disadvantaged pupils. If we are really to see greater social

:57:38. > :57:41.mobility in our country, greater opportunity for all citizens

:57:42. > :57:46.regardless of background, these cuts in funding have got to be looked at

:57:47. > :57:51.very carefully, otherwise they will undermine the original intention. A

:57:52. > :57:57.quick e-mail, I work in schools as a careers adviser and see this money

:57:58. > :58:02.used to taxi in children who have a lazy parents. It's certainly not

:58:03. > :58:05.supposed to be used to support school transport costs. The last

:58:06. > :58:10.government wanted school leaders to be free to use this money in the way

:58:11. > :58:17.they judge best. But ultimately, that's about attainment, not simply

:58:18. > :58:18.things like transport. Thank you. We're coming to the end of the

:58:19. > :58:20.programme. Ten people affected

:58:21. > :58:34.by mental health issues, You're convinced it can help?

:58:35. > :58:40.Most definitely. I feel I'm not going to be able

:58:41. > :58:41.to do it. ..joined by some special guests...

:58:42. > :58:44.You're the heroes. ..on a journey that's not just about

:58:45. > :58:48.crossing the finishing line.