13/04/2017

:00:31. > :00:33.It's Thursday - it's 9 o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley,

:00:34. > :00:37.For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had

:00:38. > :00:40.been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison.

:00:41. > :00:42.Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police

:00:43. > :00:50.We'll hear from the family of Cerys Yemm just after 9:15.

:00:51. > :00:53.Also today - grammar schools should give priority to children

:00:54. > :00:57.That's what education secretary Justine Greening will say later,

:00:58. > :00:59.when she counters claims they're just for the privileged few.

:01:00. > :01:01.That can really give children from ordinary working

:01:02. > :01:05.What we are saying is that we want them to see do a much stronger job

:01:06. > :01:09.And it was the school siege which shocked Russia, and the world.

:01:10. > :01:12.More than a thousand people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004.

:01:13. > :01:14.A ruling is due today on whether the Russian government

:01:15. > :01:18.We talk to a survivor who was held hostage.

:01:19. > :01:20.She was just eight, and her mother was killed.

:01:21. > :01:24.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:25. > :01:26.Lots for you to get in touch with today.

:01:27. > :01:32.Do you think grammar schools are fair in their selection process?

:01:33. > :01:35.The Government says it wants to make it easier for children from poorer

:01:36. > :01:39.homes to get in let us know your thoughts on that.

:01:40. > :01:42.And we're talking about how things should be divided up in a divorce

:01:43. > :01:44.as celebrities find new ways to hang onto their fortunes.

:01:45. > :01:51.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:01:52. > :01:53.use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

:01:54. > :02:00.Our top story: The Education Secretary,

:02:01. > :02:02.Justine Greening, will say today that new grammar schools in England

:02:03. > :02:04.would be "truly open to all", including children from what she'll

:02:05. > :02:07.call "ordinary working families" - and not just the privileged few.

:02:08. > :02:10.But new analysis from the Government shows a majority of selective school

:02:11. > :02:18.Chris Mason is at Westminster and is following the story for us.

:02:19. > :02:26.What exactly is being proposed? In essence, the Government is starting

:02:27. > :02:29.an arms race to try to make the case for grammar schools. The Prime

:02:30. > :02:33.Minister is an advocate for grammar schools, she went to one herself,

:02:34. > :02:36.but she knows Andy Education Secretary knows that there is a lot

:02:37. > :02:42.of persuading to do, not just many in the teaching profession and

:02:43. > :02:46.indeed on Labour's benches, but quite a number of Conservative MPs,

:02:47. > :02:51.too, so they are trying to make the argument that any new set of grammar

:02:52. > :02:55.schools would be different in their outlook and indeed in who they

:02:56. > :02:59.recruited from the current set of grammar schools. But she isn't

:03:00. > :03:09.saying that there would be any kind of quota, or she is not willing to

:03:10. > :03:13.put a number on it. Here is Justine Greening making the case, I spoke to

:03:14. > :03:18.her in the last hour, about why she wants to see an expansion of grammar

:03:19. > :03:27.schools in England. I think we have always recognised the debate. We

:03:28. > :03:32.need to work out where they fit in in a 20th-century education system,

:03:33. > :03:40.we need a stronger role in lifting standards for all systems. We want a

:03:41. > :03:44.new model of grammar schools for those new grammars that will come

:03:45. > :03:50.through in response to local community demand where that is. Lots

:03:51. > :03:52.of people may be relieved to hear the Government not talking about

:03:53. > :03:59.Brexit, but something that actually affect them. I am one of those

:04:00. > :04:06.people relieved, because I spend my entire working life to have the word

:04:07. > :04:09.Brexit tumbling out of my mouth every second, so it is nice to work

:04:10. > :04:11.on a story that doesn't involve leaving the European Union! One of

:04:12. > :04:18.the Government's biggest challenges is juggling the gargantuan task of

:04:19. > :04:22.the UK's departure from the European Union, everything that involves in

:04:23. > :04:28.terms of the negotiations to come in Brussels and with the other 27 heads

:04:29. > :04:31.of state and governments around the European table, all of the

:04:32. > :04:34.legislation has to go through Parliament to enact the Brexit

:04:35. > :04:39.process, and crucially, as you say, getting on with stuff that matters

:04:40. > :04:44.day-to-day in terms of education and the health service and transport and

:04:45. > :04:47.so many other issues. The Ruzza recognition in Government of the

:04:48. > :04:54.inevitability that other stuff will get squeezed in terms of attention

:04:55. > :04:59.span, times, debating space and the scope for legislation. It is

:05:00. > :05:04.something the Prime Minister is very keen on, and so there is clearly a

:05:05. > :05:09.desire to press ahead, but the Government is well aware that they

:05:10. > :05:12.have a persuading job to do. Thank you, Chris Mason at Westminster, and

:05:13. > :05:14.we will be talking about that at great length later on in the

:05:15. > :05:19.programme. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

:05:20. > :05:22.Newsroom with a summary President Trump has said

:05:23. > :05:29.relations with Russia may be at an all-time low -

:05:30. > :05:31.after his Secretary of State failed to persuade Russia to stop backing

:05:32. > :05:34.President Assad of Syria. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato

:05:35. > :05:36.is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that

:05:37. > :05:38.had alarmed allies. From Washington,

:05:39. > :05:40.Laura Bicker reports. Vladimir Putin said this US attack

:05:41. > :05:43.was an act of aggression. But Donald Trump said it was in

:05:44. > :05:48.response to a suspected war crime. The US believes the Syrian President

:05:49. > :05:50.was responsible for using chemical At a press conference alongside

:05:51. > :05:55.the Nato Secretary-General, So I felt we had to do

:05:56. > :06:05.something about it. I have absolutely no doubt we did

:06:06. > :06:09.the right thing, and it was very, very successfully done,

:06:10. > :06:15.as you well know. Earlier, Russia vetoed a UN

:06:16. > :06:17.Security Council resolution that would have compelled

:06:18. > :06:20.the Syrian President to co-operate with an investigation

:06:21. > :06:22.into the attack, a response President Trump described

:06:23. > :06:24.as disappointing. It would be wonderful,

:06:25. > :06:28.as we were discussing just a little while ago,

:06:29. > :06:30.if Nato and our country Right now, we're not getting

:06:31. > :06:41.along with Russia at all. We may be at an all-time low in

:06:42. > :06:47.terms of relationship with Russia. This has built for a

:06:48. > :06:49.long period of time. The US has said relations

:06:50. > :06:53.with Russia must improve, but how? The two countries are on opposing

:06:54. > :06:56.sides in a civil war. A lot may depend on how far

:06:57. > :06:59.Russia will go to defend the Syrian President,

:07:00. > :07:01.and how far the US wants A ruling is due today

:07:02. > :07:12.on whether the Russian government should have done more

:07:13. > :07:15.to prevent the siege More than 330 people died

:07:16. > :07:21.when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

:07:22. > :07:23.had taken more than Survivors and parents

:07:24. > :07:28.who lost children argued at the European Court

:07:29. > :07:30.of Human Rights that Russia failed in its obligation

:07:31. > :07:37.to protect its citizens' lives. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast

:07:38. > :07:39.are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over

:07:40. > :07:47.the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread

:07:48. > :07:51.on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year,

:07:52. > :07:53.adding that the company had implemented the changes from March

:07:54. > :07:59.with no agreement with the union. The largest nursing union

:08:00. > :08:02.is consulting with its members across the UK on whether they should

:08:03. > :08:04.take industrial action in protest at the government's

:08:05. > :08:06.decision to maintain The Royal College of Nursing claims

:08:07. > :08:10.low wages are contributing to tens of thousands of unfilled posts

:08:11. > :08:12.and unsafe staffing But the Government says the health

:08:13. > :08:19.service offers competitive pay. Our health correspondent

:08:20. > :08:21.Sophie Hutchinson reports. Unprecedented pressure

:08:22. > :08:25.in the NHS means nurses have never worked harder,

:08:26. > :08:27.and for so little, The Royal College of Nursing

:08:28. > :08:35.says due to pay freezes, and then a pay cap, nurses have seen

:08:36. > :08:39.the money they take home cut in real It says that's why it has

:08:40. > :08:44.decided to ask staff whether they would be

:08:45. > :08:47.prepared to strike. 270,000 NHS nurses will be able

:08:48. > :08:50.to vote in the online survey So, most nurses are unhappy

:08:51. > :08:56.with their income. So they're working harder than ever,

:08:57. > :08:58.but there's been years now Some of our nurses are telling us

:08:59. > :09:02.they absolutely love being a nurse, it's a fantastic job,

:09:03. > :09:04.but they just don't think they can The Royal College of Nursing says

:09:05. > :09:15.low pay is driving people away from the profession,

:09:16. > :09:17.and that tens of thousands But the Department of Health said

:09:18. > :09:23.an extra 12,000 nurses have worked on wards since 2010,

:09:24. > :09:25.and that frontline NHS services The families of two more

:09:26. > :09:34.babies who died under the care of Shrewsbury

:09:35. > :09:37.and Telford Hospital Trust are calling for their deaths to be

:09:38. > :09:40.included in the investigation The review of the trust

:09:41. > :09:45.was announced by Jeremy Hunt yesterday following the avoidable

:09:46. > :09:47.deaths of seven babies. Five died following failures

:09:48. > :09:49.to monitor their heart rate The trust says its mortality

:09:50. > :09:56.levels are in line with A BBC investigation has found that

:09:57. > :10:02.construction faults, similar to those which led

:10:03. > :10:05.to the closure of 17 schools in Edinburgh on safety grounds,

:10:06. > :10:08.have been found at 71 other Although most have been repaired,

:10:09. > :10:11.work has yet to be completed The Scottish Futures Trust,

:10:12. > :10:17.which oversees public-private finance projects, says

:10:18. > :10:23.it is reviewing its guidance. Coastal areas in parts

:10:24. > :10:26.of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's

:10:27. > :10:28.expected to be the most powerful storm to hit

:10:29. > :10:30.the country in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast

:10:31. > :10:33.to bring more than a-hundred millimetres of rain and winds of up

:10:34. > :10:35.to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under

:10:36. > :10:44.a state of emergency. A missing link in the evolution

:10:45. > :10:46.of dinosaurs has been discovered at the National History Museum in

:10:47. > :10:48.London. On discovering a lost fossil,

:10:49. > :10:53.scientists realised it was from an early

:10:54. > :10:56.cousin of the dinosaur. They found that while it had

:10:57. > :10:58.a long neck and tail, it also walked on all fours more

:10:59. > :11:01.like a modern monitor It fills a critical gap

:11:02. > :11:06.in the fossil record and indicates that some dinosaur features evolved

:11:07. > :11:08.much earlier than Police officers were given the run

:11:09. > :11:17.around in London yesterday A pig caused chaos when it escaped

:11:18. > :11:21.and trotted through lunch-time A jogger had to dodge the animal,

:11:22. > :11:29.who seemed to take a liking A police spokesman said the pig

:11:30. > :11:33.was eventually recaptured Or maybe a cyclist, with that

:11:34. > :11:45.clothing! That's a summary of the latest BBC

:11:46. > :11:51.News - more at 9:30. I wondered at one moment if the

:11:52. > :11:55.police officer was going to pull the pig by the tail, and he thought

:11:56. > :12:03.better fit! Lots of you getting in touch with us a background in

:12:04. > :12:07.schools today. Do get in touch. We have had a tweet from Fiona, grammar

:12:08. > :12:12.schools offer those who can no longer afford private school fees,

:12:13. > :12:15.kids for poorer families are not there.

:12:16. > :12:23.Another says most parents will fund coaching to ensure their children

:12:24. > :12:29.pass the entry exam, and how can this help children from poorer

:12:30. > :12:32.households? The system is corrupt. But why not bring the grammar school

:12:33. > :12:34.system to a competency of the EU? Not necessary to move young people

:12:35. > :12:37.out of their environment. Olly, lots of stories around this

:12:38. > :12:48.week's Champions League matches. It sounds a little patronising,

:12:49. > :12:55.doesn't it? It does, you are right!

:12:56. > :12:59.They did really well. So many people thought that they were going to come

:13:00. > :13:05.unstuck playing Atletico Madrid last night. They only lost 1-0 in the

:13:06. > :13:09.first leg of their quarterfinal. Remember this is a new territory for

:13:10. > :13:19.Leicester City, they have never gone this far in European competition.

:13:20. > :13:23.Antoine Griezmann won a penalty, but Marc Albrighton said straightaway it

:13:24. > :13:29.was outside the box. It certainly was, look at that. It really

:13:30. > :13:35.shouldn't have been a penalty. When video technology is phased in, those

:13:36. > :13:40.kind of decisions will not be made. Grisman took the penalty himself, so

:13:41. > :13:49.just 1- 02 Atletico Madrid, third in La Liga,, so all to play for. We

:13:50. > :13:57.know it will be a difficult return match, and we have a very good home

:13:58. > :14:04.record at the King Power, our fans enjoy these nights. Of course we

:14:05. > :14:08.have to create more chances. Remember they turned around a first

:14:09. > :14:19.leg deficit in the last round, was against Sevilla, so we will see next

:14:20. > :14:23.week at the King Power. And the fan disturbances, we them

:14:24. > :14:29.last night? I must admit my heart sank when

:14:30. > :14:32.video popped up on social media, Spanish riot police disperse in

:14:33. > :14:38.Leicester fans on the eve of the match, and also match day it self in

:14:39. > :14:43.the lead up to the game. At least eight arrests were made, a few minor

:14:44. > :14:46.injuries, and Gary Lineker a former Leicester player who was there on

:14:47. > :14:51.broadcast duties, he tweeted he had seen the footage of some Leicester

:14:52. > :14:56.fans behaving despicably in Madrid, a few idiots ruin it for the decent

:14:57. > :14:59.majority. A lot of them interviewed afterwards, the fans caught up in

:15:00. > :15:04.it, said that the police had been heavy-handed. We have heard that

:15:05. > :15:07.before as well. But the club will be speaking to Leicestershire police

:15:08. > :15:12.who were in Madrid, as is normal with high-profile away matches, and

:15:13. > :15:16.some of the club's stewards who were shepherding the fans in the city,

:15:17. > :15:20.before deciding whether or not they will make an official complaint, but

:15:21. > :15:26.very ugly indeed some of those pictures.

:15:27. > :15:28.And Borussia Dortmund, just 24 hours after their bus was attacked they

:15:29. > :15:32.were back on the field, but their manager wasn't happy?

:15:33. > :15:36.They were supposed to play on Tuesday and their coach came under

:15:37. > :15:40.that an attack, three explosions going off on the way to the game on

:15:41. > :15:44.Tuesday. Uefa decided to postpone the match for 24 hours. They played

:15:45. > :15:49.the match last night, and Dortmund manager said that they were not

:15:50. > :15:52.really consulted as a team about whether they were ready to play the

:15:53. > :15:56.match mentally or physically. The blasts on the way to the match on

:15:57. > :16:01.Tuesday saw windows blown out of their courage, and one of their

:16:02. > :16:06.players was hospitalised. A great reception for the team last night

:16:07. > :16:10.before kick-off in this they think hastily arranged fixture. They wore

:16:11. > :16:16.T-shirts in support of their team-mate who needed an operation on

:16:17. > :16:20.a broken wrist. They said it was as if Uefa felt that it was just a year

:16:21. > :16:23.can that had been thrown at the result. Uefa said they were in touch

:16:24. > :16:29.with all parties and never received any information to suggest that nine

:16:30. > :16:32.of the teams wanted to play. The Dortmund player gave a powerful

:16:33. > :16:36.interview afterwards saying how traumatised he was by the incident,

:16:37. > :16:40.and he says he will never forget the look on the players' faces as the

:16:41. > :16:46.bomb went off. German World Cup winner Matthaus called Uefa's

:16:47. > :16:52.decision in conference a ball and irresponsible as well. In light of

:16:53. > :16:57.this, perhaps it is no surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night. This

:16:58. > :17:00.proved to be the matchwinner, and they will take that lead back to

:17:01. > :17:05.Monaco next week. Not a great night to German football round, because

:17:06. > :17:07.Bayern Munich also lost their first leg against Real Madrid, Cristiano

:17:08. > :17:19.Ronaldo scored a couple. Now let me bring you this news just

:17:20. > :17:23.reaching us. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled the Russian

:17:24. > :17:30.Government should have done more to prevent the Beslan school massacre.

:17:31. > :17:35.Our reporter can bring us up to date with this as it is breaking now.

:17:36. > :17:42.Olga, can you tell us more about this ruling today? Yes, a ruling by

:17:43. > :17:46.the European Court of Human Rights. The ruling that the victims in total

:17:47. > :17:51.would get 3 million euros compensation, but it is very

:17:52. > :17:54.important, a significant decision, because basically the European Court

:17:55. > :17:57.of Human Rights was their last hope because none of the Russian courts

:17:58. > :18:07.have ever held any Russian officials responsible for the tragedy which

:18:08. > :18:10.happened in Beslan. And relatives of the victims have told the BBC that

:18:11. > :18:14.the European Court of Human Rights was their last hope and they wanted

:18:15. > :18:21.to bring this tragedy back to life, and they also want officials to

:18:22. > :18:26.learn from their mistakes, the mistakes in that tragedy, and they

:18:27. > :18:29.want to see some of the officials responsible for the tragedy which

:18:30. > :18:33.happened, and the European Court of Human Rights underlined that

:18:34. > :18:36.officials had enough information and would have been able to prevent this

:18:37. > :18:39.tragedy from happening, but unfortunately this has not been

:18:40. > :18:46.done. Does this mean the Russian government now has to do, what,

:18:47. > :18:56.investigate? Theoretically, yes, however there have been a number of

:18:57. > :19:00.investigations over the past 30 years -- 13 years, but no one was

:19:01. > :19:07.ever held responsible. A number of policemen were under trial but those

:19:08. > :19:13.cases never came to an end. One of the Chechens was arrested and

:19:14. > :19:20.accused but many relatives of the victims believe he was actually just

:19:21. > :19:27.one of the many who were supposed to be arrested and go on trial. The

:19:28. > :19:31.relatives at least hoped this would bring the tragedy to light again

:19:32. > :19:36.because Russian officials and the Russian state was trying its best

:19:37. > :19:43.not to bring those tragic days to light again because it raises many

:19:44. > :19:46.questions. Olga from Moscow, thank you for speaking to us. We will

:19:47. > :19:50.speak about this more after ten o'clock, when we speak to a girl who

:19:51. > :19:53.was actually held inside that school, just eight years old at the

:19:54. > :19:58.time, and she will speak to us after ten o'clock.

:19:59. > :20:01.On 6th November 2014, a young woman - Cerys Yemm - was murdered

:20:02. > :20:03.by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug

:20:04. > :20:06.abuse issues who had been released from prison two weeks earlier.

:20:07. > :20:08.The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed

:20:09. > :20:11.the "cannibal" killing, because the owner of the hostel

:20:12. > :20:13.where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating

:20:14. > :20:16.Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say

:20:17. > :20:19.they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media

:20:20. > :20:25.and waited two and a half years to discover the truth.

:20:26. > :20:27.Williams died after being Tasered by police, but now the inquest

:20:28. > :20:30.into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe

:20:31. > :20:32.that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision

:20:33. > :20:41.he receveived after leaving prison, she would still be alive.

:20:42. > :20:51.Go was quirky, beautiful -- Cerys was quirky, beautiful, and she had

:20:52. > :20:54.out quite a difficult few years. She had been in a relationship where

:20:55. > :20:59.there was domestic violence, but she was at the point where she was

:21:00. > :21:06.getting things back on track. She had come back home. She was looking

:21:07. > :21:12.to retrain to go into nursing and she was back to her old self, you

:21:13. > :21:21.know, happy, doing lots of nice things with Shannon and her brother.

:21:22. > :21:28.She spent hours upstairs in the bedroom reading, and she would be so

:21:29. > :21:32.quiet in the evenings. She didn't go out and socialise an awful lot, and

:21:33. > :21:40.certainly not up until the few weeks before the 6th of November, but she

:21:41. > :21:45.had made a new friend and had started to go out a bit more, eat a

:21:46. > :21:52.bit more food, and I did see a change at that point, when she was

:21:53. > :21:55.not coming home when she said she would do, being a bit more

:21:56. > :22:00.secretive, and I was a bit worried at that point. But we would sit down

:22:01. > :22:06.and have talks and she would say, no, ma'am, I am going to get things

:22:07. > :22:11.back on track, do this, do that, and we thought she would have done what

:22:12. > :22:15.she wanted to. What about you, Shannon. What are your memories of

:22:16. > :22:20.your sister? We had some lovely times, went out and played, her

:22:21. > :22:24.birthday. She really did adore me, thought a lot of me, and she always

:22:25. > :22:30.stuck up for me and was there for me. She always wanted to be with me,

:22:31. > :22:35.didn't she? Yes, she would do anything for anyone. That day, the

:22:36. > :22:43.6th of November 20 14. When did you first find out what had happened to

:22:44. > :22:49.Cerys? It was in the early hours of the 6th of November. I had got up

:22:50. > :22:59.and gone to work as normal. And then... The phone came and they

:23:00. > :23:04.said, the police are in the reception for you. Which was unusual

:23:05. > :23:10.was my job. I went through and I said to them, oh, is it about a

:23:11. > :23:15.certain person I was working with? They said, no, it's not, and at that

:23:16. > :23:19.point I just knew. And I don't know why, because I had been worried

:23:20. > :23:24.about Shannon. She had just passed her test, and I was worried about

:23:25. > :23:33.her driving the car, nights in the dark, bad weather, but I just said,

:23:34. > :23:38.it is Cerys, isn't it? And a sort of nodded -- the nodded.

:23:39. > :24:01.They began to tell me then and I refused to listen, and it did then

:24:02. > :24:06.is a blah really from then on. That was when our nightmare began -- it

:24:07. > :24:10.was a blur from then on. You then had to tell your family, had to tell

:24:11. > :24:27.Shannon. I wanted to tell them myself. And I had gone to my mother,

:24:28. > :24:34.to her house, and I said I needed to get hold of Shannon at that point,

:24:35. > :24:38.and I think Shannon had called my mum, because she had seen things on

:24:39. > :24:41.Facebook and then people were calling her and saying, Shannon, I

:24:42. > :24:48.hope this isn't true, so then I spoke to Shannon and she said, oh,

:24:49. > :24:54.mum, is this true? So, Shannon, you actually found out from social

:24:55. > :24:58.media? Yes, on Facebook. I had people messaging me, because I had

:24:59. > :25:02.already seen posts obviously that there had been a murder in Argoed,

:25:03. > :25:06.then I had people messaging me on the stack, people asking me if it

:25:07. > :25:11.was true, is it your sister? Then I had to drive home from Cardiff,

:25:12. > :25:15.after getting a Facebook message, and mum was obviously Ryan, couldn't

:25:16. > :25:20.tell me, couldn't speak on the phone and I said, mum, tell me, please,

:25:21. > :25:25.and obviously there was traffic from Cardiff so I was sitting in the car

:25:26. > :25:30.crying, thinking, it is not true, is it? And obviously I had tried to

:25:31. > :25:33.ring Cerys, but I didn't get an answer, but at the time I didn't

:25:34. > :25:38.think it was weird because I didn't get an answer from my brother

:25:39. > :25:43.either, so I thought neither of them were answering... What does that do

:25:44. > :25:47.to you as a family, coming to terms with such a horrific event, but you

:25:48. > :25:55.finding out through social media rather than through the police or

:25:56. > :26:01.from your mum? It just changes your life, really. Everything is changed.

:26:02. > :26:05.Just horrible. You obviously want to hear from the police or your family

:26:06. > :26:12.to get some sort of comfort, but obviously I was in Cardiff and had a

:26:13. > :26:20.Facebook message. Then I had to go and tell my dad with the police.

:26:21. > :26:26.It's hard. What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked up

:26:27. > :26:31.on about the nature of Cerys's death? Many of them labelling it a

:26:32. > :26:40.cannibal attack, and something that for a long time you thought was the

:26:41. > :26:44.case, but it wasn't? No. Again, we found out off social media, me and

:26:45. > :26:49.my brother having woken up a couple of mournings after and it had been a

:26:50. > :26:56.story on Facebook that people were sharing -- couple of mornings after,

:26:57. > :27:01.but there is only so long you can keep things like that from somebody,

:27:02. > :27:10.because it was everywhere. That is how it is remembered... I think... I

:27:11. > :27:14.was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different

:27:15. > :27:18.things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five o'clock in the

:27:19. > :27:21.morning, had gone downstairs, and my sister was staying on the city at

:27:22. > :27:27.that point, and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture

:27:28. > :27:35.and those headlines -- staying on the setee at that point. I

:27:36. > :27:43.couldn't... You cannot describe it. I mean, just the fact of losing her

:27:44. > :27:50.in a horrific way anyway, but seeing those headlines about your child, I

:27:51. > :27:53.still can't comprehend it today. And it was two and a half years before

:27:54. > :28:00.you found out that wasn't what had happened to her. Without a doubt,

:28:01. > :28:06.yes. At no point where we sat down as a family and told about her

:28:07. > :28:12.injuries in any way. What I was told was initially it was a head injury,

:28:13. > :28:20.then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "Sharp force

:28:21. > :28:27.the face and neck," again that is very different to a parent, to me,

:28:28. > :28:31.than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported as this, I ask the

:28:32. > :28:37.police. They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further

:28:38. > :28:42.details at that point, so for the last two and a half years that has

:28:43. > :28:45.been over us as a family, not knowing. Not knowing the

:28:46. > :28:52.circumstances. Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister,

:28:53. > :28:55.about how this came about and exactly what she went through. You

:28:56. > :29:00.spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted to

:29:01. > :29:03.limit the information given to you, and as a family you said you wanted

:29:04. > :29:11.limited information about what had happened to Cerys. We did address

:29:12. > :29:15.that with the police. If you can imagine, as I just said, the

:29:16. > :29:23.horrific circumstances, those headlines, very early on I was... I

:29:24. > :29:27.did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know. But obviously as the

:29:28. > :29:35.weeks, the days, the months go on, of course I wanted to know things.

:29:36. > :29:38.And I made that very clear. Yet, repeatedly, after that they would

:29:39. > :29:47.say, well, you didn't want to know things. I didn't feel there was

:29:48. > :29:53.any... A lack of compassion and understanding, and empathy, for our

:29:54. > :29:57.position. And for Cerys, as my daughter. The police said the delay

:29:58. > :30:02.in telling you about her death was because they wanted to send an

:30:03. > :30:04.officer who knew you professionally to ease with that incredibly

:30:05. > :30:13.difficult conversation. Did that help you? It wasn't an officer I

:30:14. > :30:20.knew, it wasn't. Still today, given the events, why they would wait for

:30:21. > :30:28.an officer to come on officer who knew me? Surely, the priority would

:30:29. > :30:32.be to tell me as soon as they could. Before it was on social media,

:30:33. > :30:36.before my family and my daughter, my son, before they saw it, surely the

:30:37. > :30:42.priority would have been to have told me as soon as possible? I don't

:30:43. > :30:47.know. At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death of your

:30:48. > :30:52.daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams, who killed Cerys, said

:30:53. > :30:56.that he needed help, he had been released from prison just a couple

:30:57. > :30:59.of weeks earlier, he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't

:31:00. > :31:01.getting support, and there was a failure within the system. Is that

:31:02. > :31:14.how you see it? In regards to the mental health, it

:31:15. > :31:17.was firmly conveyed by a psychiatrist that he didn't have a

:31:18. > :31:26.diagnosis of schizophrenia. What he did have was drug induced psychosis.

:31:27. > :31:33.Undoubtably he did have poor mental health as a result of his lifestyle

:31:34. > :31:40.and drug use. Yes, they are adamant that they tried to get him support

:31:41. > :31:47.and help and the report says he wanted it and didn't get that help.

:31:48. > :31:56.Certainly from my point of view, he did have poor mental health, but in

:31:57. > :32:01.regard to that, his drug use, prolific offending history, he had

:32:02. > :32:06.no rehabilitation, there was no updated risk assessment before his

:32:07. > :32:10.release. And he even asked to move to a different area to go and live

:32:11. > :32:14.with his dad so that he could be away from the drugs scene and start

:32:15. > :32:21.afresh, but ultimately he was placed back in the area where he had lived

:32:22. > :32:27.previously. Yes, the other local authority basically refused on the

:32:28. > :32:33.basis that his family could provide accurate information that there was

:32:34. > :32:37.a link to that area. But they should have given him priority and

:32:38. > :32:50.considered him in that area, but they didn't, they sent him straight

:32:51. > :32:58.back to Caerphilly. Nobody was told about the risks. So is that what you

:32:59. > :33:00.want to change, to come out of Cerys's death, better communication

:33:01. > :33:06.between agencies to prevent another family going through what you have

:33:07. > :33:09.been going through? Well, some communication! He was released, he

:33:10. > :33:19.had served his sentence, no monitoring on him. And he had told

:33:20. > :33:23.people that that was what he wanted, he was going to commit crimes, he

:33:24. > :33:28.had written letters saying so. And those had not been acted upon.

:33:29. > :33:33.Shannon, your mum has mentioned your brother. Just give us a sense of

:33:34. > :33:38.what this has done to you as a young woman, the effect it has had on you

:33:39. > :33:47.and your brother. It's just horrible. You are anxious and

:33:48. > :33:55.nervous. I struggled sleeping for a while, I had nightmares. It is just

:33:56. > :33:58.horrible. Every day is different, and you worry every day and think

:33:59. > :34:02.people are looking at you, and you can't get it out of your head, you

:34:03. > :34:06.are fat ever missing somebody, missing something, and I know from

:34:07. > :34:13.my brother, he has really struggled and suffered badly with depression,

:34:14. > :34:18.he has lost his hair. My brother doesn't cope very well, he doesn't

:34:19. > :34:23.talk, and we were offered counselling at the very beginning,

:34:24. > :34:27.and that was shut the, they said, just go to your GP. And my brother

:34:28. > :34:34.would just turn up at the GP and say, I need to talk to somebody. So

:34:35. > :34:43.I think... It has ruined our lives, the lack of support. That is the

:34:44. > :34:47.family of Cerys Yemm speaking to be a little earlier.

:34:48. > :34:50.Still to come, as footballer Ryan Giggs divorces his wife Stacey,

:34:51. > :34:53.he's told a judge he made "a special contribution" to their wealth

:34:54. > :34:55.and claims he shouldn't have to pay as much.

:34:56. > :34:57.But, when a marriage breaks down, should the financial assets be

:34:58. > :35:03.And Leicester may have lost to Atletico Madrid

:35:04. > :35:11.But they haven't given up yet. We will be getting post-match analysis

:35:12. > :35:23.from fans in Leicester and those still in Madrid. But first, it is

:35:24. > :35:34.9:35am. All of the news with Annita. Good morning. A ruling has said that

:35:35. > :35:35.Russian officials should have done more to prevent the siege of

:35:36. > :35:39.schooling bezel and in 2004. More than 330 people,

:35:40. > :35:42.died when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

:35:43. > :35:50.had taken more than The court said that police should

:35:51. > :35:53.have done more to protect people when the building was stormed. More

:35:54. > :35:57.than ?2 million in compensation is to be awarded.

:35:58. > :35:59.Children from ordinary working families will be central

:36:00. > :36:01.to the government's new generation of grammar schools.

:36:02. > :36:03.The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today

:36:04. > :36:06.that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone --

:36:07. > :36:07.not just the privileged few and giving priority

:36:08. > :36:13.But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority

:36:14. > :36:18.of selective school places go to more affluent families.

:36:19. > :36:20.President Trump has said relations with Russia may

:36:21. > :36:23.be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop

:36:24. > :36:27.Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America

:36:28. > :36:29.had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase

:36:30. > :36:31.in response to a chemical weapons attack last week.

:36:32. > :36:34.Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete",

:36:35. > :36:45.reversing a stance that had alarmed allies.

:36:46. > :36:48.The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told

:36:49. > :36:51.this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show

:36:52. > :36:56.22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014.

:36:57. > :37:01.An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed.

:37:02. > :37:04.Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out

:37:05. > :37:06.the true details of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather

:37:07. > :37:12.A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy

:37:13. > :37:23.for our position and for Cerys, my daughter.

:37:24. > :37:27.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at ten.

:37:28. > :37:35.Thank you, Annita. Lots of you getting in touch with us about the

:37:36. > :37:39.grammar schools story. An anonymous text says, my daughter goes to the

:37:40. > :37:43.local grammar school, I am definitely working class and a

:37:44. > :37:46.single parent. After passing the 11 plus admission, it is decided by the

:37:47. > :37:51.county council criteria, local children go first. Kate says, both

:37:52. > :37:55.our children attended grammar school, we are in ordinary family,

:37:56. > :37:58.not wealthy or privileged. We did over private tuition, but cut back

:37:59. > :38:06.on other spending to do so. Mike says, both of our daughters attended

:38:07. > :38:14.grammar school, we are ordinary. It is a matter of priorities. Less

:38:15. > :38:26.McDonald's will easily cover the cost of tuition, says Mike. And

:38:27. > :38:29.Louise says the grammar schools where I live have been secured by

:38:30. > :38:31.months or years of private tutoring, nothing to do with natural ability

:38:32. > :38:33.or background, just the ability or willingness to pay. Get in touch

:38:34. > :38:36.with that or anything else on the programme. Let's get all the sport

:38:37. > :38:41.now with Ollie. Here are the headlines. Leicester

:38:42. > :38:43.City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit in the Champions League

:38:44. > :38:46.quarterfinal against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly

:38:47. > :38:53.awarded a penalty which Antoine Griezmann scored. The second leg at

:38:54. > :38:57.the King Power Stadium is next night. Dortmund manager says they

:38:58. > :39:00.should never have played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb

:39:01. > :39:05.attack on the team coach, postponed by less than 24-hour is. They lost

:39:06. > :39:15.their first leg tie to Monaco 3-2. On the short list is at the PFA

:39:16. > :39:18.Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's Kante is among the candidates. I

:39:19. > :39:26.will be back with a full update shortly after ten.

:39:27. > :39:29.Now, when a marriage breaks down should the financial assets be

:39:30. > :39:38.A multimillionaire Banca has been told to hand over half of his

:39:39. > :39:43.fortune to his ex-wife. Randy Work had argued

:39:44. > :39:46.he was a "financial genius" - but the Appeal Court

:39:47. > :39:48.ruled his ex-wife Mandy Gray had made a "different" but "important"

:39:49. > :39:50.contribution to their marriage. There are concerns that

:39:51. > :39:59.if Ryan Giggs wins his case that it Will it send a message to stay

:40:00. > :40:02.at home mums that their roles Let's talk to Amy Harris,

:40:03. > :40:06.who is a family lawyer The CEO of the Women's Resource

:40:07. > :40:10.Centre, Vivienne Hayes. And Goranka Gudelj,

:40:11. > :40:12.who divorced her husband What exactly does "special

:40:13. > :40:18.contribution" mean? We are not entirely sure, it is a

:40:19. > :40:19.difficult concept, and very difficult for people to argue

:40:20. > :40:21.whether they should be given special treatment in a divorce settlement

:40:22. > :40:25.because they have earned a lot of money. The cases we have had show it

:40:26. > :40:27.is a difficult argument to run. It is difficult for people to be

:40:28. > :40:29.successful making that argument. Do many people come to you and say they

:40:30. > :40:34.want to but that in? Contribution is put into account, but needs will

:40:35. > :40:40.take priority over contribution, so it will only be in very exceptional

:40:41. > :40:43.cases where a special contribution will be taken into account. In your

:40:44. > :40:46.divorce settlement, you got just under 50%, didn't you? But

:40:47. > :40:52.nonetheless had a huge impact on your lifestyle and how you could

:40:53. > :40:59.live? Yes, it enabled my daughters and me to continue to deal with to

:41:00. > :41:05.start with with the divorce, but it didn't last long. My ex-husband paid

:41:06. > :41:10.it for only five months, and then just arbitrarily stop the payments,

:41:11. > :41:13.but at this point, I had no more money to continue to pay the

:41:14. > :41:19.lawyers, so I have fought my own case in court as an applicant in

:41:20. > :41:25.person for the last six years. So when you hear these very wealthy

:41:26. > :41:29.men, often men, it doesn't always have to be men, often wealthy men

:41:30. > :41:33.saying, I went out to work, I did the hard work, I earned the cash, it

:41:34. > :41:41.shouldn't go 50/50, why do you think? A homemaker's role as an

:41:42. > :41:47.unpaid role. I have worked, I was just not paid for it. I supported my

:41:48. > :41:53.husband in all of his decisions when it came to his career. We have a

:41:54. > :42:00.disabled daughter who needs my support to this day. Both of the

:42:01. > :42:07.children, we invested a lot of time, and it was our joint decision for me

:42:08. > :42:11.to stay at home. I never meant to stay at home, I had a career before

:42:12. > :42:15.marriage, it was never my intention to be a stay at home mum, it just

:42:16. > :42:20.happened once our daughter was diagnosed, we made a decision that I

:42:21. > :42:26.should put my time into her and the family. And I did so. And as a

:42:27. > :42:32.matter of fact, at least twice, my husband got promotions and was told

:42:33. > :42:36.by his bosses that the promotion was due to the fact that he had a solid

:42:37. > :42:45.marriage, that his mind could concentrate on the business and an

:42:46. > :42:51.work, and he didn't have to care, and he would always introduce me to

:42:52. > :42:56.his bosses, and always with pride as somebody that they appreciated, too.

:42:57. > :43:01.Vyvyan, what sort of message does this send out to mothers? As we

:43:02. > :43:04.heard there, but I have got lots of friends who would love to go to work

:43:05. > :43:09.but we have small children, husbands work longer hours, and it is not

:43:10. > :43:17.financially viable. Any marriage is based on teamwork. And the

:43:18. > :43:24.contributions made by the different parties may be different, but to

:43:25. > :43:32.undervalue unpaid work is unacceptable, and actually, within

:43:33. > :43:38.with their unpaid work contribute billions in their work to this day,

:43:39. > :43:44.and also to husbands. Without her there at home, her husband would not

:43:45. > :43:47.have had the career that he had. And so it is a team effort, and it

:43:48. > :43:49.should be recognised as such. In ordinary cases, not in the

:43:50. > :43:54.super-rich, is that generally recognised? I think it is,

:43:55. > :43:57.contribution is taken into account and not just financial

:43:58. > :44:01.contributions, but contribution to family welfare. The courts in the

:44:02. > :44:05.cases that we have seen recently have made it clear we shouldn't

:44:06. > :44:09.discriminate against the homemaker. Their role in most cases will be

:44:10. > :44:15.equal to the role of the financial and as well. So it is difficult for

:44:16. > :44:19.the gentlemen typically to argue that they have made unacceptable

:44:20. > :44:24.attribution, and that should be taken into account, because in most

:44:25. > :44:28.cases it won't be, it will be regarded as equal to the role of the

:44:29. > :44:30.homemaker. But the super-rich might say, if your husband is worth

:44:31. > :44:34.hundreds of millions of pounds, does it matter if you get less than half?

:44:35. > :44:39.You are still getting an obscene amount of money that surely you can

:44:40. > :44:43.live on? I think it is the principal, because when decisions

:44:44. > :44:46.are made in courts, they can set a precedent, and if we look at it like

:44:47. > :44:51.that and women receive less because it is millions anyway, what happens

:44:52. > :44:55.to ordinary working-class families if those kind of decisions of the

:44:56. > :45:02.direction of travel, those women are going to lose out. I believe it was

:45:03. > :45:09.last year, even two years ago, two very wealthy women managed to obtain

:45:10. > :45:13.permission to go back in time and claim the money is that their

:45:14. > :45:17.husbands had withheld information on, from the Government and from

:45:18. > :45:20.them and from the courts, and that was a really good precedent. I

:45:21. > :45:28.remember in the press it was reported as women who, they have so

:45:29. > :45:35.much, and really, was 40 million not enough? On the idea was, these women

:45:36. > :45:41.actually went out, spent money, they are to gain this right for all the

:45:42. > :45:47.within across-the-board so that even I can go back now in time if I find

:45:48. > :45:51.that my husband had withheld information and say, you withheld

:45:52. > :45:56.information at that point. So how far should this go? If a woman has

:45:57. > :46:00.the children living with her after a divorce and has to take a low paid

:46:01. > :46:03.jobs that she could be there for picking up from school or whatever

:46:04. > :46:11.should be. Should she then received more than half of the husband's Inca

:46:12. > :46:25.because they are struggling and have the kids with them? I think it

:46:26. > :46:28.should be viewed upon the merits in the courts, and what impact will be

:46:29. > :46:34.on the mother and children, because we want to see a fair deal for when

:46:35. > :46:38.an across-the-board. And just to reflect, the legal position needs to

:46:39. > :46:42.take priority in all cases, needs to take priority over contribution. If

:46:43. > :46:46.someone needs more than 50% for that reason that should be reflected in

:46:47. > :46:48.the financial settlement. Thank you all for coming in.

:46:49. > :46:51.It was the school siege which shocked the world.

:46:52. > :46:57.More than 1000 people were taken hostage in Beslan in 2004.

:46:58. > :47:00.We'll hear from a survivor who was held hostage aged eight,

:47:01. > :47:11.Now, they may have lost 1-0 to Atletico Madrid last night but that

:47:12. > :47:16.European adventure is far from over for Leicester City, as they took

:47:17. > :47:19.over the dominant Spanish club in the first leg of their quarterfinal

:47:20. > :47:28.in the Champions League. They are the only side in the competition...

:47:29. > :47:30.-- They're the only remaining English side in the competition

:47:31. > :47:32.after Arsenal and Manchester City were both knocked out previously.

:47:33. > :47:34.On this programme, particularly last season as they stormed

:47:35. > :47:36.to the Premier League title, we followed superfans

:47:37. > :47:41.They were both in Madrid last night, and here's what they got up to.

:47:42. > :47:47.An amazing atmosphere here. Everybody is having a fantastic

:47:48. > :47:51.time. Well, somewhere in among all the crowd, the actual owners of

:47:52. > :48:00.Leicester City have turned up to meet the fans. I just love being a

:48:01. > :48:05.Leicester City supporter. We have arrived at the ground and are in

:48:06. > :48:10.need of refreshment, and I think we've come to the wrong bar... We

:48:11. > :48:20.are the only people with blue shirts on, but it was Big Ann's fault, led

:48:21. > :48:28.us astray again, and people are amazed we have gone to the way bar

:48:29. > :48:31.to get a segment. So many people here, look at older people here to

:48:32. > :48:36.see Leicester in the Champions League! We just had a load of

:48:37. > :48:43.Atletico Madrid supporters come up to us, asking, photo, photo, photo!

:48:44. > :48:49.Everyone is so lovely. Hello! They all just want for De Graafs, bits

:48:50. > :48:54.and bobs, and you don't get this in our country, I tell you exactly all

:48:55. > :49:00.just want photographeds. The matches coming up and we are absolutely

:49:01. > :49:04.buzzing. Such an amazing feeling to think Leicester City, are little

:49:05. > :49:10.club, is now on the main stage and everybody knows who we are. We are

:49:11. > :49:14.of the Foxes, King Power, we are Leicester City. And I said at last

:49:15. > :49:18.year. Things can't get better. But you know what, days like this, when

:49:19. > :49:23.you are in another country, and people know your team, know your

:49:24. > :49:27.players, nor your backroom staff, it is absolutely fantastic. Buzzing for

:49:28. > :49:30.begin tonight and hopefully we will see Leicester City at least get

:49:31. > :49:34.something under their belt ready for the replay that is coming at the

:49:35. > :49:40.King Power Stadium in a week's time. Final thoughts for today? I think it

:49:41. > :49:44.is quite exciting and, you know, I just think we need to keep pushing

:49:45. > :49:49.forward. I think we need to be proud of what we achieved the night. We

:49:50. > :49:53.had some very bad decisions go against us but you know what? We are

:49:54. > :49:57.Leicester City and we have the home leg coming up next at the King Power

:49:58. > :50:01.Stadium, next Tuesday, and we can continue to make our fairy tale.

:50:02. > :50:05.Come on, you Foxes! LAUGHTER

:50:06. > :50:09.Let's talk to Gary and Sandra now - they're already back in the UK.

:50:10. > :50:16.We are having some connection problems with Sandra but we have

:50:17. > :50:17.Gary here. But also we've got Richard Austin

:50:18. > :50:25.and Kieron O'Gorman You all the pretty happy. I will

:50:26. > :50:32.start with Richard, you're still living the dream in Madrid? Under

:50:33. > :50:38.the parasol there? Looking forward to the next leg, yes. Am I right in

:50:39. > :50:50.thinking you were sitting amongst the Atletico Madrid fans last night?

:50:51. > :50:53.We were, yes. Had the tickets for their, and it was a great

:50:54. > :50:56.atmosphere. You say it was a great atmosphere but when that penalty was

:50:57. > :51:08.awarded that should not have been a penalty, did you have to cheer with

:51:09. > :51:12.everybody else? Obviously, you know, it was that decision but we took it

:51:13. > :51:20.as it was. Kieron, how was the game for you? Buenos dias.

:51:21. > :51:26.LAUGHTER How was the game for you? Very good.

:51:27. > :51:32.Can you hear me? Yes, the game was amazing, fantastic atmosphere, shame

:51:33. > :51:35.about the result. Did you feel that Leicester did enough? I was looking

:51:36. > :51:41.at the statistics today and it is not unlike Leicester, 60% possession

:51:42. > :51:45.for Atletico Madrid, and I know Leicester like the fast break, but

:51:46. > :51:50.do you feel happy with the way the team played? -- 68% possession. I

:51:51. > :51:57.thought it was quite an average outfit, to be honest. Seville looked

:51:58. > :52:02.like a battle team. We have the result, ticket back to the King

:52:03. > :52:05.Power and we will win 2-0. Before we speak about going back to the King

:52:06. > :52:09.Power I would like to ask both of you and Richard. We were speaking

:52:10. > :52:13.earlier on the Olly Foster about the trouble, never anything we like to

:52:14. > :52:18.talk about. But it did happen last night. Did either of you witness

:52:19. > :52:24.anything, Kieron? Yes, unfortunately, like you see, it did

:52:25. > :52:28.occur. We were at the front line, I suppose, and thankfully managed to

:52:29. > :52:33.get away. It wasn't nice. There was a lot of innocent people hit by the

:52:34. > :52:36.police by batons, cheers being thrown, so, yes, it put a bit of a

:52:37. > :52:42.dampener on the day but thankfully it got rectified and we carried on

:52:43. > :52:47.with our lives. From what you have seen, did you feel there were a few

:52:48. > :52:52.troublemakers there? That the police overreacted? What was your sense?

:52:53. > :52:57.Unfortunately with something like football, and English football, when

:52:58. > :53:02.you go away, it takes one or perhaps two idiots to aggravate the

:53:03. > :53:08.situation, however it did get blown way out of proportion. And the

:53:09. > :53:13.police did take far. How about you, Richard? Did you see anything? Yes,

:53:14. > :53:19.we were in the square and there were a lot of people in there. I guess

:53:20. > :53:26.the way things started off, there was a smoke bomb, something to that

:53:27. > :53:28.effect, and when that happens the police started moving forward, like

:53:29. > :53:32.moving forward, and at that point we thought we should move out of here,

:53:33. > :53:39.so we on, started exiting the square. A lot more police were

:53:40. > :53:44.coming in about them. It did look like it was a group of Leicester

:53:45. > :53:48.fans stepping forward, confronting the police, so obviously not helping

:53:49. > :53:52.the situation. I want to bring in Gary Hooper is waiting patiently

:53:53. > :53:57.there in his Leicester City top. You are back home now. Your thoughts on

:53:58. > :54:00.the game? I thought it was a really great evening again for Leicester

:54:01. > :54:07.City, very frustrating at times, maybe, but we have to remember we

:54:08. > :54:12.are only halfway through the fixture and it is two legs. It is only 1-0

:54:13. > :54:16.to Atletico Madrid, and when we get back to our King Power Stadium, as I

:54:17. > :54:20.have said many times on this programme, that is a fortress, and

:54:21. > :54:27.it is a stadium where the whole of Leicester come together and they are

:54:28. > :54:30.going to bring the fight back, you know, the Leicester, to England, to

:54:31. > :54:34.try to turn it around like we did in the last round. It is interesting

:54:35. > :54:38.you say that about the King Power Stadium. I was listening to the BBC

:54:39. > :54:44.commentator yesterday, and he was saying he feels there will be more

:54:45. > :54:49.of a threat from Atletico Madrid at the King Power. He does not think it

:54:50. > :54:54.is that fortress. What I would say to him is to come and experience one

:54:55. > :55:00.of our fixtures at the King Power. Everyone, 30,000 people, you know,

:55:01. > :55:04.the atmosphere around the stadium is electric. And it is not just, you

:55:05. > :55:08.know, the fans of Leicester that come together. It is this city, and

:55:09. > :55:11.some people would say it is even the world coming together, because

:55:12. > :55:15.people want Leicester City, a bit like the fairy tale from last year,

:55:16. > :55:18.they want to see someone to keep progressing who is different in this

:55:19. > :55:24.competition. We heard it from the fans last night in Atletico Madrid,

:55:25. > :55:28.their fans saying it is so lovely to have a different team is playing up

:55:29. > :55:33.against us. You are a credit to football. And it is just amazing to

:55:34. > :55:38.hear that about our club. Well, your club, they managed to beat Seville

:55:39. > :55:41.and turned that deficit around. What are you thinking, Kieron? Do you

:55:42. > :55:46.think the same can happen this time and you can actually get to a

:55:47. > :55:58.Champions League semifinal? They are the dream would be what I think! --

:55:59. > :56:04.Dare to dream. I think we lined up better than Atletico, and like Gary

:56:05. > :56:09.said, at the King Power I think we can win, with the crowd on the boys'

:56:10. > :56:12.backs, who knows what can happen? Gary, one final quick question. You

:56:13. > :56:16.have been to every Leicester away game in Europe. How much have you

:56:17. > :56:21.spent? That's a nice question! We think we've worked it out but it is

:56:22. > :56:32.at least over a ?1000. You know, some people may say that is stupid.

:56:33. > :56:35.Some people may say it is a ridiculous amount to spend on

:56:36. > :56:38.football, but you know what. And I say this... It is never going to

:56:39. > :56:41.happen again, but it could do if we go and win the Champions League. We

:56:42. > :56:44.would be here again next year! You could be in the semifinal at this

:56:45. > :56:46.rate! Best of luck. All of you, thank you for speaking to us.

:56:47. > :56:48.Let's get the latest weather update with Carol Kirkwood.

:56:49. > :56:56.Good morning. If there's chilly start has made you think of holidays

:56:57. > :57:04.further afield, this is what you can expect. Look at that, Madrid,

:57:05. > :57:07.Tenerife, 25 degrees and towards Athens, 22 degrees. Quite a lot of

:57:08. > :57:12.sunshine and some showers over in the east. 7-9 in the north-east

:57:13. > :57:16.again with some showers. If you are hoping to take a dip in the

:57:17. > :57:20.Mediterranean in the West, the sea temperature is currently about 17,

:57:21. > :57:25.and in the east Mediterranean around about 18, but by the end in the east

:57:26. > :57:31.it will be more like 26 Celsius in the sea, like a bath. Back on our

:57:32. > :57:35.shores today, though, and East- West split to start. After a nice sunny

:57:36. > :57:38.start in the east the cloud already in the West will drift over

:57:39. > :57:45.eastwards and we will see some showers, patchy rain across parts of

:57:46. > :57:48.Scotland and Northern Ireland, but moving south we hang onto those

:57:49. > :57:51.sunny breaks, not just through this morning but in the afternoon. You

:57:52. > :57:54.will find areas of cloud then the sun, then it will cloud over again.

:57:55. > :57:58.Temperatures up to 13 Celsius in London, roughly where we should be

:57:59. > :58:01.at this stage of the year. But we're finding in the sunshine it claims up

:58:02. > :58:04.to about 16. Northwards into northern England, through the

:58:05. > :58:08.Midlands, again a fair bit of cloud around and one or two showers.

:58:09. > :58:12.Eastern Scotland seeing some breaks but the showers in the West will

:58:13. > :58:16.continue to drift towards the east and in Northern Ireland, similar

:58:17. > :58:20.story. A fair bit of cloud around, one of two brighter breaks, hanging

:58:21. > :58:24.onto some patchy rain and showers. Four Wales, looking to dry up and

:58:25. > :58:27.although we will hang onto a lot of cloud, some brighter spells.

:58:28. > :58:34.Overnight and through the evening, two fronts coming our way. They are

:58:35. > :58:37.looking to bring in some rain moving southwards and ahead of them both

:58:38. > :58:41.the cloud will continue to build, the temperatures are very similar to

:58:42. > :58:45.the night just gone, except for in the Highlands where we see some

:58:46. > :58:50.clearer skies and it will feel cold. Tomorrow, we start off with both

:58:51. > :58:53.fronts. For a time it will pep up producing some rain, again

:58:54. > :58:57.continuing the descent southwards. Still some brightness in the far

:58:58. > :59:00.south and behind them, for Scotland and Northern Ireland, some sunshine

:59:01. > :59:08.and also some showers. Temperature... Look at that! 63

:59:09. > :59:12.Fahrenheit. Then moving on in the East Bay and Saturday as well, there

:59:13. > :59:19.will be a lot of settled weather around and we will also see some

:59:20. > :59:23.sunshine -- Easter day. For Easter Monday as well, a lot of dry weather

:59:24. > :59:27.around but they also have some fronts coming in from the west that

:59:28. > :59:33.could well produce some rain, so all in all it is looking not like a

:59:34. > :59:36.wash-out or write off this coming Easter weekend. And pollen

:59:37. > :59:41.allergies, we are looking at levels being moderate across most of

:59:42. > :59:44.England, Wales and Northern Ireland, low across the far north of England

:59:45. > :59:51.and also Scotland. Whatever you're doing, have a Easter.

:59:52. > :59:54.It's Thursday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Chloe Tilley.

:59:55. > :59:58.It was the school siege which shocked the world.

:59:59. > :00:00.More than a thousand people taken hostage in Beslan in 2004

:00:01. > :00:06.Today the European Court of Human Rights has found Russia

:00:07. > :00:09.guilty of serious failings in how it handled the siege.

:00:10. > :00:18.TRANSLATION: We were standing next to the school gates.

:00:19. > :00:20.I saw three people running in with machine guns.

:00:21. > :00:23.At first I thought it was a joke, then they began shooting

:00:24. > :00:34.We'll be speaking to another survivor,

:00:35. > :00:38.who was one of the hostages - she was eight years old at the time.

:00:39. > :00:42.For more than two years, a mother thought her daughter had

:00:43. > :00:45.been cannibalised by a drug addict just out of prison.

:00:46. > :00:47.Paula Yemm says she was let down appallingly by the police

:00:48. > :00:55.He was going to commit crimes, he'd written letters saying

:00:56. > :00:57.so, and those hadn't been acted upon.

:00:58. > :00:59.There was an opportunity there, they could have contained him,

:01:00. > :01:11.You can watch that interview in full at half-past.

:01:12. > :01:14.So how did this woman lose 44 pounds without any exercise?

:01:15. > :01:16.Turns out she'd had cancer - Cosmopolitan magazine in the US come

:01:17. > :01:22.under fire for a tweet many found insensitive and offensive.

:01:23. > :01:27.Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:28. > :01:34.The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the Russian

:01:35. > :01:37.government should have done more to prevent the siege

:01:38. > :01:41.More than 330 people died when security forces stormed

:01:42. > :01:43.a school where Chechen separatists had taken more than

:01:44. > :01:47.The court in Strasbourg said more should have done

:01:48. > :01:50.to prevent the hostage taking, and to prevent the large-scale loss

:01:51. > :01:52.of life that followed when the security forces moved in.

:01:53. > :01:59.The court awarded survivors and relatives of victims who'd

:02:00. > :02:00.brought the case more than ?2 million

:02:01. > :02:08.Children from ordinary working families will be central

:02:09. > :02:10.to the Government's new generation of grammar schools.

:02:11. > :02:12.The Education Secretary, Justine Greening, will say today

:02:13. > :02:15.that grammar schools in England will be truly open to everyone -

:02:16. > :02:17.not just the privileged few and giving priority

:02:18. > :02:21.But a new analysis from the Government shows a majority

:02:22. > :02:23.of selective school places go to more affluent families.

:02:24. > :02:28.Justine Greening says they should work for all families.

:02:29. > :02:33.I think we've always recognised the debate,

:02:34. > :02:36.but we do have grammars in our school system already.

:02:37. > :02:39.What we're saying is we need to work out where they fit in in

:02:40. > :02:43.We want to see them playing a stronger role, lifting standards

:02:44. > :02:45.for all children in local communities, not just the ones

:02:46. > :02:50.who get through the school gates into a grammar.

:02:51. > :02:54.And we want a new model of grammar schools, for those new grammars that

:02:55. > :02:56.will come through in response to local community

:02:57. > :03:04.Prosecutors in Germany say they have no evidence that the only suspect

:03:05. > :03:06.they have in custody over the bomb attack against the Borussia Dortmund

:03:07. > :03:10.football team bus was linked to the crime.

:03:11. > :03:13.However, they said they were seeking an arrest warrant to keep

:03:14. > :03:15.the 26-year-old Iraqi national detained, over claims he may

:03:16. > :03:23.allegedly have been a member of so-called Islamic State in Iraq.

:03:24. > :03:25.President Trump has said relations with Russia may

:03:26. > :03:28.be at an all-time low, after the Kremlin refused to stop

:03:29. > :03:33.Speaking at a news conference in Washington, Mr Trump said America

:03:34. > :03:39.had been right to fire missiles at a Syrian airbase

:03:40. > :03:41.in response to a chemical weapons attack last week.

:03:42. > :03:44.Mr Trump also said he believes Nato is "no longer obsolete",

:03:45. > :03:49.reversing a stance that had alarmed allies.

:03:50. > :03:52.The mother of a young woman who was murdered in 2014 has told

:03:53. > :03:55.this programme she felt the police dealing with the case failed to show

:03:56. > :04:00.22-year-old Cerys Yemm was killed at a hostel in November 2014.

:04:01. > :04:03.An inquest jury ruled Miss Yemm was unlawfully killed.

:04:04. > :04:06.Paula Yemm is upset that the family only found out the true details

:04:07. > :04:09.of Cerys' murder from the inquest, rather than from the

:04:10. > :04:17.A lack of compassion and understanding and empathy

:04:18. > :04:19.for our position and for Cerys, my daughter.

:04:20. > :04:28.Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast are to stage a 48-hour

:04:29. > :04:33.It's because of a row over the role of guards and jobs.The RMT union

:04:34. > :04:35.said consultation over "widespread on-board changes" has been

:04:36. > :04:38.going on for more than a year, adding that the company had

:04:39. > :04:48.implemented the changes from March with no agreement with the union.

:04:49. > :04:51.A missing link in the evolution of dinosaurs has been discovered

:04:52. > :04:55.at the National History Museum in London.

:04:56. > :04:57.On discovering a lost fossil, scientists realised

:04:58. > :04:59.it was from an early 'cousin' of the dinosaur.

:05:00. > :05:02.They found that while it had a long neck and tail,

:05:03. > :05:05.it also walked on all fours more like a modern monitor

:05:06. > :05:09.It fills a critical gap in the fossil record and indicates

:05:10. > :05:11.that some dinosaur features evolved much earlier than

:05:12. > :05:22.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:05:23. > :05:29.In around 40 minutes, we will be talking about grammar schools. Lots

:05:30. > :05:32.of e-mails and texts coming from you this morning. Judith says I came

:05:33. > :05:35.from a working-class background and went to a grammar school because I

:05:36. > :05:41.passed the 11 plus with no extra coaching. I don't understand all the

:05:42. > :05:45.fuss that is being made. Many of my friends went to the adjoining

:05:46. > :05:47.secondary modern and we all had to pay for uniforms and school trips.

:05:48. > :05:52.The only difference was the curriculum was tailored to suit our

:05:53. > :05:55.needs and abilities, but what is wrong with encouraging each and

:05:56. > :05:59.every child to do their best? Surely it is better to aim high? It is

:06:00. > :06:02.perfectly possible for late developers to be switched to a more

:06:03. > :06:09.demanding curriculum with or without changing school. Do keep in touch

:06:10. > :06:14.with us this morning. Here's some sport now

:06:15. > :06:15.with Olly Foster. They did it in the last round,

:06:16. > :06:22.so Leicester City will be optimistic of overturning a one goal

:06:23. > :06:24.Champions League deficit again. They lost 1-0 in Madrid

:06:25. > :06:29.against Atletico in the first leg It was a first half penalty that

:06:30. > :06:33.should never have been awarded. It was definitely a foul

:06:34. > :06:35.on Antoine Griezmann, but Marc Albrighton pointed straight

:06:36. > :06:37.away to the referee His protests fell on deaf ears, but

:06:38. > :06:51.it was definitely outside. We know it's still going to be

:06:52. > :06:57.difficult return match. We have a very good home

:06:58. > :06:59.record at the King Power. You know, our fans enjoy these

:07:00. > :07:01.Champions League nights. We have to make sure that,

:07:02. > :07:04.of course, we need to be... The club are going to speak

:07:05. > :07:19.to Leicestershire police and stewards who were monitoring

:07:20. > :07:21.their fans in the city centre about the clashes

:07:22. > :07:23.with Spanish police. At least eight fans were arrested

:07:24. > :07:25.with some due to appear in a Madrid court today,

:07:26. > :07:28.but many of the supporters felt that the police had

:07:29. > :07:37.been "heavy-handed." It was very heavy-handed from the

:07:38. > :07:40.police, it was an all or nothing approach, they painted everyone with

:07:41. > :07:46.the same brush to say everyone was guilty of violence, when in actual

:07:47. > :07:48.fact it was only a minority in an isolated area of the square. But

:07:49. > :07:51.they chose to act upon everyone. The Borussia Dortmund manager

:07:52. > :07:53.Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that their Champions League

:07:54. > :07:55.quarter-final against Monaco should have been played last night, less

:07:56. > :07:58.than 24 hours after a bomb-attack The original tie was postponed

:07:59. > :08:02.after three bomb blasts damaged their bus and saw one

:08:03. > :08:04.of their players, Marc Bartra, They wore T-shirts

:08:05. > :08:13.in his honour last night. Tuchel said it was if Uefa felt

:08:14. > :08:17.that it was merely a "beer can" that had been thrown at the bus,

:08:18. > :08:19.and they weren't consulted. Uefa say they "never received any

:08:20. > :08:22.information which suggested that any The German World Cup winner

:08:23. > :08:28.Lothar Matteus has called Uefa's decision incomprehensible

:08:29. > :08:36.and irresponsible. In light of that, perhaps it's no

:08:37. > :08:38.surprise that Monaco won 3-2 on the night -

:08:39. > :08:41.Kylian Mbappe scored twice and take The shortlist is out for the PFA

:08:42. > :08:51.Player of the Year awards, One of Leicester City's unsung

:08:52. > :08:54.heroes when they won the title last N'Golo Kante has since joined

:08:55. > :08:58.Cheslea, and he has Also on the list is fellow Blue,

:08:59. > :09:02.Eden Hazard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Harry Kane, Romelu Lukaku

:09:03. > :09:05.and Alexis Sanchez. Go to the BBC Sport website

:09:06. > :09:08.for the Young Players list and also the shortlists for

:09:09. > :09:15.the women's awards. That's all for now. I will be back

:09:16. > :09:25.with the headlines in half an hour. Shocking images of half naked

:09:26. > :09:30.children, trapped in their school. It was 13 years ago now -

:09:31. > :09:32.a hostage situation in the town Chechen militants took more

:09:33. > :09:36.than 1000 people captive. They'd wired the school

:09:37. > :09:38.with bombs and mines. It was the first day of term,

:09:39. > :09:40.when children put on their best Three days later, after they'd

:09:41. > :09:44.been kept in the school gym without food or water,

:09:45. > :09:47.hundreds were dead, The brutality of the attackers

:09:48. > :09:51.and the images of bloodied and traumatised children

:09:52. > :09:53.shocked the world. But so did the indiscriminate

:09:54. > :09:55.violence meted out by the Russians as they stormed the school to bring

:09:56. > :09:57.the siege to an end. And now the survivors of the horror

:09:58. > :10:01.and their families want justice. They took their case

:10:02. > :10:03.to the European Court of Human Rights which this morning

:10:04. > :10:06.ruled that there were "serious failings" in the way the Russian

:10:07. > :10:08.state handled the affair. In a moment we'll talk

:10:09. > :10:11.to the lawyers who brought the case, and a woman

:10:12. > :10:13.who was an eight-year-old pupil But first let's remind ourselves

:10:14. > :10:18.of those terrible events It was the first day of term

:10:19. > :10:28.in school number one in Beslan. In Russia there are no

:10:29. > :10:31.classes when pupils come back from the summer,

:10:32. > :10:33.it's supposed to be a day of celebration and catching up

:10:34. > :10:35.with friends, but rebels stormed the school and forced

:10:36. > :10:38.more than 1100 children, parents and teachers

:10:39. > :10:41.into a small gym. They wanted Russian troops to leave

:10:42. > :10:45.the nearby republic of Chechnya. TRANSLATION: We were standing next

:10:46. > :10:49.to the school gates. I saw three people running

:10:50. > :10:51.in with machine guns. At first I thought it was a joke,

:10:52. > :10:54.then they began shooting This was the start of a siege that

:10:55. > :11:06.went on for 52 hours. It was cramped and swelteringly hot

:11:07. > :11:10.in the gym, with no food or drink. There were bombs taped

:11:11. > :11:12.to the wall and hanging from Older pupils were forced to attach

:11:13. > :11:16.explosives to the basketball hoops and children were forced to stand

:11:17. > :11:20.near the windows as human shields. A few children, like this

:11:21. > :11:22.little girl, did manage to But as negotiations went on,

:11:23. > :11:30.other relatives were left waiting Terrified every time

:11:31. > :11:38.they heard gunfire. Hundreds of Russian security forces

:11:39. > :11:43.surrounded the school, and on the third day

:11:44. > :11:46.they stormed the building. Explosives

:11:47. > :11:48.and gunfire rang out. There was no sign of medical

:11:49. > :11:50.teams or ambulances. The attackers shot some

:11:51. > :11:52.of the children in the back as they ran for freedom,

:11:53. > :11:55.but others were carried out, weak, Some relatives fought to get

:11:56. > :12:03.through the security cordon to find out what was happening

:12:04. > :12:06.to their loved ones. 331 people died, 186

:12:07. > :12:16.of them were children. but many families and victims blame

:12:17. > :12:22.authorities, partly for not doing enough to prevent the attack,

:12:23. > :12:25.but also for the botched rescue It's come out that security

:12:26. > :12:28.forces fired tanks and Only one of the attackers was found

:12:29. > :12:39.alive, a Chechen carpenter. He is serving a life sentence.

:12:40. > :12:43.Authorities were cleared of any wrongdoing. For 13 years, families

:12:44. > :12:47.and hostages have fought that decision. They could be awarded

:12:48. > :12:48.compensation, but most say it is more about establishing

:12:49. > :12:53.responsibility. Well, let's cross live now

:12:54. > :13:00.to our correspondent What reaction are we getting from

:13:01. > :13:05.the authorities to this ruling? There is no official reaction from

:13:06. > :13:09.Moscow or any authorities, and I guess it won't come from while,

:13:10. > :13:16.because they really need careful wording of their response. But this

:13:17. > :13:20.ruling is not coming as a surprise from Russian officials, because the

:13:21. > :13:26.arguments put by the relatives of those who died in Beslan were

:13:27. > :13:28.strong, and it was quite expected that the European Court of Human

:13:29. > :13:34.Rights would rule in their favour. So now there are again a lot of

:13:35. > :13:37.questions, really serious questions, which address back to the Russian

:13:38. > :13:43.government, and if they start speaking of this, start reacting,

:13:44. > :13:47.questions will start again, and I would like to say that none of the

:13:48. > :13:52.Russian officials were held responsible for this tragedy, and

:13:53. > :13:56.the European Court of Human Rights was the last hope for mothers of the

:13:57. > :14:02.victims to put this tragedy back to the light again and to try to find

:14:03. > :14:04.answers to their questions. Thank you, Olga Ivshina speaking to from

:14:05. > :14:07.Moscow. Joining us from St Petersberg

:14:08. > :14:11.is Zarina Dzampaeva who was eight years old and at the school

:14:12. > :14:14.in Beslan with her mother and sister In the studio is Jessica Gavron -

:14:15. > :14:22.a human rights lawyer who has supported the Beslan survivors'

:14:23. > :14:25.case. And in Moscow is Kirill Koroteev,

:14:26. > :14:34.the victims' lawyer. Thank you all for joining us.

:14:35. > :14:35.Zarina, what is your reaction to the verdict? How are you feeling right

:14:36. > :14:45.now? I am concerned that I'm not sure

:14:46. > :14:52.that we are against the country at all, the whole country, we are

:14:53. > :14:59.against the fact that still guilty people are not punished, and we

:15:00. > :15:09.can't say that guilty people are punished already. So as for me,

:15:10. > :15:15.extra measures should be taken to investigate it, because still nobody

:15:16. > :15:24.is responsible for that, and this is very... It makes us feel nervous

:15:25. > :15:33.about the situation. So I think the court is quite right about Russia,

:15:34. > :15:40.and it should be ruled so that Russia would take some measures.

:15:41. > :15:46.Zarina, tell us what you remember about that day. I was too young to

:15:47. > :15:55.remember something from that, but still, I remember some moments. I

:15:56. > :16:03.remember when we were there, there was a total lack of water, so we

:16:04. > :16:08.wanted to drink so, so much, and I remember when somebody said to me

:16:09. > :16:13.from that, I was drinking water so much that others try to stop me,

:16:14. > :16:26.because it was unhealthy to do that, and I remember somebody was killed

:16:27. > :16:30.by terrorists, and that was a great... It impressed me so much, I

:16:31. > :16:39.think at the time I understood that I am in a bad situation. But I was

:16:40. > :16:40.too young, so maybe I didn't even understand at first that I was in

:16:41. > :16:50.that situation. I would like to bring in Jessica if

:16:51. > :16:54.I can. Is it clear what the Russian government new ahead of this attack?

:16:55. > :16:59.There have been claims and concerns that the warnings had been there

:17:00. > :17:05.before hand? Yes, it is clear I think unclear from the court's

:17:06. > :17:08.ruling that the Russian government had a substantial amount of

:17:09. > :17:12.information in its hand prior to the attack. They knew a group of

:17:13. > :17:16.terrorists was training in a particular region, that they were

:17:17. > :17:19.targeting the Day of Knowledge, the first day of September, the

:17:20. > :17:24.beginning of the school year at all schools in Russia, a day of

:17:25. > :17:26.celebrations with families at the school, and they knew it was an

:17:27. > :17:30.educational establishment. They knew the scale of the attack. They did

:17:31. > :17:33.not what exactly which school but from the area they could surmise

:17:34. > :17:43.which schools were likely to be targets. So, Kirill, if the Russian

:17:44. > :17:50.government was aware of this threat, why was the ending of the siege so

:17:51. > :17:56.badly handled? Well, I think the court has quite rightly described

:17:57. > :18:07.what happened with the conduct of the security operation as disorder.

:18:08. > :18:17.It is impressive that for example those who were in charge of rescuing

:18:18. > :18:22.the refugees, the emergency situations Ministry, they were not

:18:23. > :18:30.given the exact number of hostages by the security officers, and the

:18:31. > :18:38.victims and the public in general has been complaining that the exact

:18:39. > :18:42.number of hostages has never been given, that it was never given until

:18:43. > :18:51.everything was over, but it is also impressive that it has never been

:18:52. > :18:59.communicated for example within the structure of the bodies in charge of

:19:00. > :19:04.the security operations. So the court again was very critical of

:19:05. > :19:10.decision-making to use heavy weaponry against the school... Let's

:19:11. > :19:16.talk about that. For people who are not familiar with the heavy

:19:17. > :19:20.weaponry, Jessica, they were using flame-throwers, tanks... It was a

:19:21. > :19:22.huge military response, knowing that the thousand people including many

:19:23. > :19:27.hundreds of children were inside that school. Has it ever been made

:19:28. > :19:33.clear why those decisions were made? No, and that... We argued the

:19:34. > :19:36.government has never given an adequate explanation. The situation

:19:37. > :19:40.was that I think it was so chaotic that once you have the military

:19:41. > :19:44.involved there are very few constraints on the military in the

:19:45. > :19:50.legislation in Russia, and they just went in too hard. Flame-throwers for

:19:51. > :19:53.instance are a military grade weapon for the battlefield, for demolishing

:19:54. > :19:59.military installations. They create a huge pressure wave, the crush

:20:00. > :20:03.people. It is a devastating instrument to use and is totally

:20:04. > :20:08.indiscriminate by its very nature. Likewise, tanks. If you're firing on

:20:09. > :20:12.a school full of hostages, and like your report showed these were

:20:13. > :20:15.vulnerable children, over 800 children who had not had food and

:20:16. > :20:19.water for three days, they were very weak. So it was a totally

:20:20. > :20:26.disproportionate response, and I am glad to see the court has held that,

:20:27. > :20:29.and I think the applicants and victims of the Beslan siege will be

:20:30. > :20:33.glad as well, because their main concern is the failure to prevent

:20:34. > :20:37.the attack, as you rightly pointed out, there was a lot of information

:20:38. > :20:40.about that, and the use of these disproportionate weapons that only

:20:41. > :20:43.increased the danger of the hostages, where of course the

:20:44. > :20:47.state's obligation in a situation like this is to try to take all

:20:48. > :20:55.measures possible to minimise the risk of loss of life. Zarina, what

:20:56. > :21:06.impact has the siege had on Beslan as a community? Can you hear me,

:21:07. > :21:10.Zarina? Yes. I just wondered what impact the siege at the school had

:21:11. > :21:16.on Beslan as a community. Has it ever been able to recover? Firstly I

:21:17. > :21:25.would like to say that there is no one family in or did not... Do it

:21:26. > :21:31.has not impacted on, the terrorism act. -- no one family who has not

:21:32. > :21:35.felt the impact of the terrorist act. We as a community, the Beslan

:21:36. > :21:47.community, we became more close to each other because there were

:21:48. > :21:53.serious problems, and that is why we became very close to each other. Of

:21:54. > :22:00.course it has had a huge impact on our school. Do you think this

:22:01. > :22:09.judgment will help people move on? Or do they need more? To move on,

:22:10. > :22:15.you mean people who were damage there? You said every family was

:22:16. > :22:18.impacted in Beslan, so having this European Court of Human Rights

:22:19. > :22:23.ruling that the Russian government made mistakes, does that help people

:22:24. > :22:29.to move on with their lives, or do they need to see the people held to

:22:30. > :22:33.account? Can I firstly say something? Me and my family, I can't

:22:34. > :22:42.talk about us. We are sure that there is no... Our country is

:22:43. > :22:47.guilty, sure, because terrorism is an international problem so I think

:22:48. > :23:00.no one country is more guilty in such case, so I think it is more the

:23:01. > :23:03.responsibility of our local authority, so the government of our

:23:04. > :23:09.republic should be responsible for more than the Government of Russia.

:23:10. > :23:13.Kirill, I want you to come in and speak a little bit about

:23:14. > :23:16.compensation. Part of the ruling was over ?2 million in compensation, I

:23:17. > :23:27.understand, to those families who brought the case? I have yet to have

:23:28. > :23:33.the total figure but I would say the awards, when taken by applicants,

:23:34. > :23:40.individual applicants,... The court explicitly says it has taken into

:23:41. > :23:45.account previous payments made by the Russian government. But given

:23:46. > :23:53.there are over 400 applicants, the total figure is nevertheless

:23:54. > :24:02.impressive. So what is justice for the families you represent? I don't

:24:03. > :24:10.think that any sum of money is able to compensate for the loss, and the

:24:11. > :24:15.court is also right in indicating the number of specific measures that

:24:16. > :24:17.need to be done by the Russian authorities concerning

:24:18. > :24:23.investigation, concerning disclosure of documents, concerning also

:24:24. > :24:32.importantly public recognition of state responsibility for this. And

:24:33. > :24:40.such measures are never ever unfortunately implemented by the

:24:41. > :24:43.Russian government. There is experience of dozens of cases where

:24:44. > :24:54.fresh investigations were required and never conducted. So there is a

:24:55. > :25:05.lot still to be done beyond payment of compensation. Then those

:25:06. > :25:17.responsible are brought to justice, even this will be just another point

:25:18. > :25:24.on the way towards justice which also includes comprehensive

:25:25. > :25:31.assessment of the facts, and access to all relevant evidence that has

:25:32. > :25:34.been withheld from the victims since the very beginning of the

:25:35. > :25:39.investigation. Simply, they want the truth, and no one can blame them for

:25:40. > :25:41.that. Kirill, thank you for speaking the us, and also to Zarina and

:25:42. > :25:45.Jessica as well. Grammar schools - they're

:25:46. > :26:09.controversial and not Today the Education Secretary

:26:10. > :26:12.hopes to change that, as she sets out plans

:26:13. > :26:14.for a new generation of these schools -

:26:15. > :26:17.but will they get full marks The US version of the women's

:26:18. > :26:20.magazine Cosmopolitan has caused upset on social media after it

:26:21. > :26:23.tweeted about a woman it said had lost weight

:26:24. > :26:24.without doing any exercise. The story it linked to explained

:26:25. > :26:27.that the woman had had cancer. Although it went on to make clear

:26:28. > :26:30.that she had lost the weight through healthy eating,

:26:31. > :26:32.many people have criticised the magazine, accusing it

:26:33. > :26:34.of insensitively handling the story We can speak now to Nadia Mendoza,

:26:35. > :26:38.a showbizz reporter at the Daily Star and co-founder

:26:39. > :26:40.of The Self Esteem Team, which does talks with

:26:41. > :26:43.teenagers about body image. And in Salford is Lydia Brain,

:26:44. > :26:48.who is a 24-year-old Thank you both for taking the time

:26:49. > :26:51.out to speed to us today. Nadia, I will start speaking to you first.

:26:52. > :26:53.You are a journalist, a showbiz journalist. Probably not a lot

:26:54. > :26:56.shocks you. Did this tactic shock you? I would say I am not easily

:26:57. > :27:00.shocked, but on this occasion I was. I would say that there is a line

:27:01. > :27:06.that we toe and it was crossed on this occasion. They might well have

:27:07. > :27:16.said "How to get a beach body... Get cancer." Being slim, it is one

:27:17. > :27:19.beauty ideal we have, and if cancer becomes aspirational, where do we go

:27:20. > :27:24.from there? Will HIV be trendy so you can fit into your wedding dress?

:27:25. > :27:31.It is madness, crossing the line, for me. What about you, Lydia? I was

:27:32. > :27:36.really shocked and I already had quite a negative view about how the

:27:37. > :27:39.media portrays women, but that was quite an extreme example. You have

:27:40. > :27:48.had a difficult experience with the media. Tell us your story and your

:27:49. > :27:51.experience, if you would? I am into pole fitness and have been for a

:27:52. > :27:56.long time and I was very aware the media might jump on this with my

:27:57. > :28:00.story, and I tried to manage that, and one tabloid newspaper found a

:28:01. > :28:06.photograph of me doing pole and I was in a sports bra and shorts, and

:28:07. > :28:10.they put it up without consent, and that is quite heavily regulated, so

:28:11. > :28:14.that was a bit of a shock, because I didn't really want my body or my

:28:15. > :28:20.hobbies to be used to sensationalise my story or detract from the

:28:21. > :28:27.meaning, which it did. Particularly when you are fighting Cancer right

:28:28. > :28:32.now? Yes. I will be doing so for several years. I have cancer

:28:33. > :28:36.chronically, and that was the first time I had been open about it and

:28:37. > :28:42.got in touch with the media, so for the first day, to be aware that that

:28:43. > :28:47.was used incorrectly, it was quite a shock. I think it is worth pointing

:28:48. > :28:50.out that this article, which was in US Cosmopolitan, the article itself

:28:51. > :28:56.was very clear about what had happened to this woman, but it was

:28:57. > :29:00.that tweet and I guess that is the problem with Twitter, or social

:29:01. > :29:05.media. Are we daft enough to click on it? Is apparently our fault? It

:29:06. > :29:09.is about click bait, at the end of the day. Yes, and for me this tweet

:29:10. > :29:13.opens a wider debate about why we are still drawn to these shock

:29:14. > :29:18.factor stories and click bait pictures, as you say. I know from my

:29:19. > :29:23.experience as an editor, if I write at story about Angelina Jolie's

:29:24. > :29:27.philanthropy, it will not get any clicks, but if I write about someone

:29:28. > :29:29.from Jordan sure having a shock body transformation, it could be the

:29:30. > :29:34.story of the day. What we do is educate students in schools on

:29:35. > :29:39.self-esteem, mental health, social media etc and CV should be

:29:40. > :29:42.responsible for what they are clicking online. Each click is like

:29:43. > :29:48.a vote to the editor saying you want more of that content, so, yes, I do

:29:49. > :29:52.believe Cosmopolitan US were wrong in this instance but it is about

:29:53. > :29:57.taking responsibility and we all have to take responsibility for our

:29:58. > :30:02.digital footprint. Lydia, I can see you are nodding. Yes, I think we do,

:30:03. > :30:08.slightly. I am kind of shocked because the story is quite shocking

:30:09. > :30:12.already, that a headline about her weight loss is actually more click

:30:13. > :30:15.bait than her illness and some of the stuff she had suffered through,

:30:16. > :30:20.because I would see that as being more shocking and more click bait,

:30:21. > :30:24.if I was an editor, so that just kind of shows some of the issues we

:30:25. > :30:29.have in society at the moment. I have to ask you as you are here,

:30:30. > :30:33.Nadia, people may well be shouting at the TV, saying if you are working

:30:34. > :30:36.at the Daily Star is showbiz journalist, how can you also be

:30:37. > :30:40.working with girls and self-esteem issues? Your paper is full of women

:30:41. > :30:48.scantily clad and fitting the image that we are all told we should look

:30:49. > :30:52.like. How do you that? Firstly with my job at the Daily Star we cover a

:30:53. > :30:59.very diverse group of people, so we would cover the naturally slender,

:31:00. > :31:03.Victoria's Secret Angels, but also all the glorious shapes and sizes on

:31:04. > :31:07.the middle, we do not just focus on one ideal. When we go into schools,

:31:08. > :31:12.like I say, we educate people on the choices they make online. And the

:31:13. > :31:19.choices they make in terms of who they follow, for example if your

:31:20. > :31:22.Instagram feed is full of fitness models, people making you depressed

:31:23. > :31:28.or worrying about your weight, we say stop following them. You are

:31:29. > :31:31.entitled to choose the wallpaper of your world. But it is easier said

:31:32. > :31:34.than done when you are a teenage girl. Thank you both for speaking to

:31:35. > :31:36.us today, Nadia and Lydia. We did ask Cosmopolitan

:31:37. > :31:38.for an interview and statement "Ordinary working families shouldn't

:31:39. > :31:49.have to make do when it comes to their children's education" -

:31:50. > :31:50.that's the message from the Education Secretary as she sets

:31:51. > :31:53.out plans for a new generation on Grammar schools -

:31:54. > :32:07.it's got you talking and we'll be 22-year-old Cerys Yemm was murdered,

:32:08. > :32:10.and her mother says the police dealing with the case failed to show

:32:11. > :32:14.the family compassion. We will hear from her and Cerys's sister,

:32:15. > :32:22.Shannon. First, it is 10.30 two. With the news here's Annita

:32:23. > :32:24.in the BBC Newsroom. The European Court of Human Rights

:32:25. > :32:36.has ruled that the Russian government should have done more

:32:37. > :32:38.to prevent the siege More than 330 people died

:32:39. > :32:42.when security forces stormed a school where Chechen separatists

:32:43. > :32:44.had taken more than The court in Strasbourg said

:32:45. > :32:48.more should have done to prevent the hostage taking,

:32:49. > :32:50.and to prevent the large-scale loss of life that followed

:32:51. > :32:53.when the security forces moved in. The court awarded survivors

:32:54. > :32:55.and relatives of victims who'd brought the case

:32:56. > :32:58.more than ?2 million Children from ordinary working

:32:59. > :33:02.families will be central to the Government's new generation

:33:03. > :33:04.of grammar schools. The Education Secretary,

:33:05. > :33:06.Justine Greening, will say today that grammar schools in England

:33:07. > :33:08.will be truly open to everyone - not just the privileged

:33:09. > :33:11.few and giving priority But a new analysis from

:33:12. > :33:16.the Government shows a majority of selective school places go

:33:17. > :33:18.to more affluent families. Prosecutors in Germany say they have

:33:19. > :33:21.no evidence that the only suspect they have in custody over the bomb

:33:22. > :33:24.attack against the Borussia Dortmund football team bus was linked

:33:25. > :33:27.to the crime. However, they said they were seeking

:33:28. > :33:30.an arrest warrant to keep the 26-year-old Iraqi national

:33:31. > :33:32.detained, over claims he may allegedly have been a member

:33:33. > :33:40.of so-called Islamic State in Iraq. President Trump has said

:33:41. > :33:42.relations with Russia may be at an all-time low,

:33:43. > :33:45.after the Kremlin refused to stop Speaking at a news conference

:33:46. > :33:49.in Washington, Mr Trump said America had been right to fire missiles

:33:50. > :33:52.at a Syrian airbase in response to a chemical

:33:53. > :33:54.weapons attack last week. Mr Trump also said he believes Nato

:33:55. > :33:56.is "no longer obsolete", reversing a stance that had alarmed

:33:57. > :34:05.allies. Workers on Virgin Trains East Coast

:34:06. > :34:07.are to stage a 48-hour It's because of a row over

:34:08. > :34:15.the role of guards and jobs. said consultation over "widespread

:34:16. > :34:19.on-board changes" has been going on for more than a year,

:34:20. > :34:21.adding that the company had implemented the changes from March

:34:22. > :34:26.with no agreement with the union. Coastal areas in parts

:34:27. > :34:28.of New Zealand's North Island have been evacuated ahead of what's

:34:29. > :34:31.expected to be the most powerful storm to hit the country

:34:32. > :34:33.in 50 years. Tropical storm Cook is forecast

:34:34. > :34:36.to bring more than ten centimetres of rain and winds of up

:34:37. > :34:38.to a-hundred-miles an hour. Some areas are already under

:34:39. > :34:47.a state of emergency. That's a summary of the latest news,

:34:48. > :34:55.join me for BBC Newsroom Thank you. Lots of you still getting

:34:56. > :34:59.in touch with us about grammar schools. We will be having a

:35:00. > :35:04.discussion about this in ten minutes. Rex says I was born to an

:35:05. > :35:10.ordinary working class family, my father was a minor, my sister passed

:35:11. > :35:13.the 11 plus and went on to have a successful career, I failed it but

:35:14. > :35:16.passed a further exam to attend the local grammar school two years

:35:17. > :35:21.later. The make-up of the school was a cross-section of society from

:35:22. > :35:25.children of solicitors to children of factory workers and miners. I

:35:26. > :35:28.soon found out we had a lot of knowledge to catch up on in the

:35:29. > :35:34.grammar. I think a return of grammar schools is a great idea and not

:35:35. > :35:40.political ideology of the Labour comprehensive system that has not

:35:41. > :35:43.been a success. Carol says I don't believe in grammar schools, they

:35:44. > :35:46.separate children into those who are good enough on those why not and

:35:47. > :35:51.will feel the rest of their lives feeling that way. John went to

:35:52. > :35:54.grammar school in 1946, I came from a working-class family, my mother

:35:55. > :35:58.was widowed and bringing up two children. I went to school with

:35:59. > :36:02.holes in my shoes. We all sat an entrance exam and had a choice of

:36:03. > :36:06.three grammar schools in the area. We got to school on merit and not on

:36:07. > :36:10.privilege. This is typical socialist propaganda that they always use. And

:36:11. > :36:15.Chris said, I passed the 11 plus much to the surprise of me and my

:36:16. > :36:19.teachers. Coming from a working-class poor family, a grammar

:36:20. > :36:22.school was the making of me. What I didn't understand then was that my

:36:23. > :36:26.good luck was paid for by the 90% of kids who didn't get selected. If you

:36:27. > :36:30.build a new grammar school, every other state secondary is reduced to

:36:31. > :36:35.a secondary modern and their children already feel classed as

:36:36. > :36:36.failures. Keep getting in touch. Let's get some sport now with Olly

:36:37. > :36:39.Foster. These are our headlines this

:36:40. > :36:42.morning: Leicester City will have to overturn a 1-0 deficit

:36:43. > :36:44.in their Champions League quarter-final

:36:45. > :36:49.against Atletico Madrid. The Spaniards were wrongly

:36:50. > :36:52.awarded a penalty, The second leg at the King Power

:36:53. > :36:58.is next Tuesday night. The Borussia Dortmund manager

:36:59. > :37:01.Thomas Tuchel doesn't think that they have

:37:02. > :37:04.played their quarterfinal so soon after the bomb-attack

:37:05. > :37:07.on the team coach. Postponed by less than 24 hours,

:37:08. > :37:09.they lost their first-leg And the shortlist is out for the PFA

:37:10. > :37:15.Player of the Year awards. Chelsea's N'golo Kante

:37:16. > :37:17.is the clear favourite. You can see all the candidates

:37:18. > :37:20.on the BBC Sport website, as well as the Young Player

:37:21. > :37:27.of the Year and Women's And the draw has been made for the

:37:28. > :37:30.first round of the World Snooker Championship at the Crucible in

:37:31. > :37:37.Sheffield, that starts on Saturday. Defending champion Mark Selby will

:37:38. > :37:39.face further O'Brien, and five-time world champion Ronnie O'Sullivan has

:37:40. > :37:42.got Gary Wilson. That starts on Saturday across the BBC.

:37:43. > :37:56.I'll be back with more sport on BBC News after 11.

:37:57. > :37:59.In November 2014, a young woman, Cerys Yemm, was murdered

:38:00. > :38:01.by Matthew Williams, a man with mental health and drug

:38:02. > :38:04.abuse issues who'd been released from prison two weeks earlier.

:38:05. > :38:06.The case hit the headlines when it was wrongly dubbed

:38:07. > :38:08.the "cannibal" killing because the owner of the hostel

:38:09. > :38:10.where it happened believed she'd seen Williams eating

:38:11. > :38:14.Whilst this later proved to be untrue, Cerys' family say

:38:15. > :38:16.they were devastated to hear of the claims through social media,

:38:17. > :38:19.and waited two and a half years to discover the truth.

:38:20. > :38:21.Williams died after being tasered by police, but now the inquest

:38:22. > :38:24.into Cery's death has finally concluded and her family believe

:38:25. > :38:26.that if it wasn't for failings in the support and supervision

:38:27. > :38:29.he received after leaving prison, she would still be alive.

:38:30. > :38:39.Earlier I spoke to Cerys's mum and sister, who began by telling me very

:38:40. > :38:44.action when they first heard she had died.

:38:45. > :38:46.It happened in the early hours of the 6th of November.

:38:47. > :38:50.I caught up and I went to work as normal, and then they phoned

:38:51. > :38:52.through and they said, the police are in reception for you.

:38:53. > :38:57.Which wasn't unusual, with my job, I'd often meet with the police.

:38:58. > :39:00.I went through and I said to them, was it about a certain

:39:01. > :39:15.And I don't know why, because I'd been worried about Sian,

:39:16. > :39:18.she just passed her test and I was worried about her driving

:39:19. > :39:24.in the car, the nights with dark, bad weather.

:39:25. > :39:27.But I just said it's Cerys, isn't it, it's Cerys?

:39:28. > :39:47.They began to tell me then and I refused to listen.

:39:48. > :39:49.That bit then is a blur, really, from then on.

:39:50. > :40:02.It was, that was then our nightmare began.

:40:03. > :40:05.And you obviously then had to tell your family.

:40:06. > :40:20.I'd gone to my mother's, and only just got in there and I said,

:40:21. > :40:23.right, I need to get hold of Shannon and tell her.

:40:24. > :40:26.At that point, I think Shannon phoned my mum, because she'd

:40:27. > :40:29.seen things on Facebook and then people were phoning her and saying,

:40:30. > :40:43.So then I spoke to Shannon and she said, mum, mum, is this true?

:40:44. > :40:51.Shannon, you actually found out from social media?

:40:52. > :40:55.I had people messaging me, because I'd

:40:56. > :40:59.Then I had people messaging me by Facebook message, saying, please

:41:00. > :41:03.don't tell me it's true, it's not your sister, is it?

:41:04. > :41:06.And obviously I had to drive home from Cardiff,

:41:07. > :41:14.Mum was crying, couldn't tell me, couldn't speak on the phone.

:41:15. > :41:18.So I said mum, will you tell me, please.

:41:19. > :41:20.Obviously there was traffic from Cardiff

:41:21. > :41:22.then so I was in a bit of a

:41:23. > :41:25.thing in the car, crying, thinking it's not true.

:41:26. > :41:29.Obviously I tried to ring Cerys, because I didn't know,

:41:30. > :41:31.I thought I'd contact her, but didn't get no answer.

:41:32. > :41:34.But at that time I didn't think that was weird,

:41:35. > :41:37.because I didn't get an answer off my brother either,

:41:38. > :41:39.so I just thought, neither of them are answering me,

:41:40. > :41:55.What about the issue that many of the tabloid media picked

:41:56. > :41:57.up on about the nature of Cerys's death?

:41:58. > :42:00.Many of them labelling it a cannibal attack,

:42:01. > :42:02.and something that for a long time you thought was the

:42:03. > :42:09.Again, we found out off social media, me and my brother having

:42:10. > :42:13.woken up a couple of mornings after and it had been

:42:14. > :42:15.a story on Facebook that people were sharing.

:42:16. > :42:17.couple of mornings after, but there is only so long you can

:42:18. > :42:20.keep things like that from somebody, because it was everywhere.

:42:21. > :42:23.I was sleeping a lot of the time, in and out of sleep and different

:42:24. > :42:25.things, but I think I woke up about four o'clock, five

:42:26. > :42:27.o'clock in the morning, had gone downstairs,

:42:28. > :42:30.and my sister was staying on the settee at that point,

:42:31. > :42:33.and I walked into the living room and I saw her picture

:42:34. > :42:48.But seeing those headlines about your child, I still can't

:42:49. > :42:52.And it was two and a half years before you found out that wasn't

:42:53. > :43:03.At no point were we sat down as a family and told

:43:04. > :43:12.What I got told was initially it was a head injury,

:43:13. > :43:18.then they opened the inquest and I saw again on the news "sharp

:43:19. > :43:21.force trauma to face and neck," again that is very

:43:22. > :43:25.to me, than a head injury, so I said why is it being reported

:43:26. > :43:32.They said, well, yes, it was, but did not go into any further

:43:33. > :43:37.details at that point, so for the last two and a half years

:43:38. > :43:39.that has been over us as a family, not knowing.

:43:40. > :43:47.Just very much in the dark about my child, her sister,

:43:48. > :43:49.about how this came about and exactly

:43:50. > :44:00.We spoke to the police about that and they were saying they wanted

:44:01. > :44:03.to limit the information given to you, and as a family you said

:44:04. > :44:05.you wanted limited information about what had happened to Cerys.

:44:06. > :44:14.If you can imagine, as I just said, the horrific circumstances,

:44:15. > :44:18.those headlines, very early on I was...

:44:19. > :44:21.I did put up the shutters, I didn't want to know.

:44:22. > :44:24.But obviously as the weeks, the days, the months go on,

:44:25. > :44:40.At the inquest, which you have mentioned, into the death

:44:41. > :44:42.of your daughter, the mother of Matthew Williams,

:44:43. > :44:44.who killed Cerys, said that he needed help,

:44:45. > :44:47.he had been released from prison just a couple of weeks earlier,

:44:48. > :44:49.he had severe mental health issues, he wasn't getting support, and there

:44:50. > :45:10.was no updated risk assessment before his release. And is that what

:45:11. > :45:12.you want to change, better communication between agencies to

:45:13. > :45:17.rent another family going through what you went through? He was going

:45:18. > :45:26.to commit crimes, he had written letters saying so, and those hadn't

:45:27. > :45:30.been acted upon. There was an opportunity. He had written letters

:45:31. > :45:34.in prison saying he wanted to kill when he came out, more than eight

:45:35. > :45:39.letters which he had written. The risk was that he was going to commit

:45:40. > :45:45.a serious offence. And I fear that everyone knew that, but they took

:45:46. > :45:49.the view, we can't really do anything because he is not an

:45:50. > :45:53.license, so we won't do anything, and not even share that information

:45:54. > :45:59.with anyone. And that needs to change.

:46:00. > :46:01.Paula and Shannon Yemm speaking to us a little earlier.

:46:02. > :46:04."Ordinary working families shouldn't have to make do when it comes

:46:05. > :46:06.That's the message of the Education Secretary,

:46:07. > :46:09.Justine Greening, as she sets out her plans for a new generation

:46:10. > :46:12.New Government analysis shows a majority of selective school

:46:13. > :46:18.But Labour says the Government's own research shows that grammars

:46:19. > :46:39.In the last few minutes Justine Greening the Education Secretary has

:46:40. > :46:43.been speaking in South London. A fairer society, a society based on

:46:44. > :46:47.merit, and that must surely start with education and our schools.

:46:48. > :46:52.Making sure that our children and young people can do their very best

:46:53. > :46:58.and reach their potential, wherever they are growing up. That is the

:46:59. > :47:02.means by which we build a better country. It is how we deliver the

:47:03. > :47:09.plan for Britain. In short, we are the means, our country's people,

:47:10. > :47:13.each and every one of us. Some of the most vivid memories I have in my

:47:14. > :47:19.life are about opportunities. There is one of me and a red telephone box

:47:20. > :47:26.in Devon. It is still there. It looks pretty normal, but it matters

:47:27. > :47:34.to me, that phone box, because it is the telephone box I rang from to get

:47:35. > :47:37.my A level results, and I remember screaming with delight when I got

:47:38. > :47:41.the news I had the results are needed to go to university, and I

:47:42. > :47:45.was the first person in my family to be able to go to university. We went

:47:46. > :47:48.across the road to the pub to celebrate, and as we sat there as a

:47:49. > :47:53.family to celebrate nobody knew what this next stage in my life would be

:47:54. > :47:57.like, but we knew it was going to be important, because I knew it would

:47:58. > :48:02.open up the world to me and it would transform my chances in the future,

:48:03. > :48:08.and I believe that we can build that education system here in Britain,

:48:09. > :48:12.but in the end it forms around opportunity, and opportunity is

:48:13. > :48:19.about how we translate those hopes and aspirations into something real,

:48:20. > :48:23.something concrete, so for me opportunity is the most precious

:48:24. > :48:28.commodity in this world, and our strong economy is vital, because it

:48:29. > :48:35.is the opportunity engine of our country. But we know truly need to

:48:36. > :48:39.make it a country where everyone has an equal shot of taking advantage of

:48:40. > :48:45.those opportunities being created. This is a Government that wants more

:48:46. > :48:49.opportunity for more people and more equality of opportunity, and that

:48:50. > :48:52.means unlocking our children's potential.

:48:53. > :48:54.Let's discuss this with Lee Elliot Major,

:48:55. > :49:04.CEO of the Sutton Trust, an education think tank,

:49:05. > :49:06.We can also speak to Labour's Shadow Education Secretary,

:49:07. > :49:08.Angela Rayner, who is in our Salford newsroom.

:49:09. > :49:11.And in Nottingham, Malcolm Trobe - he's the interim general secretary

:49:12. > :49:13.of the Association of School and College Leaders.

:49:14. > :49:20.Thank you all for joining us on this. First of all, Lee, do you

:49:21. > :49:23.welcome this? I think we welcome the Government looking into social

:49:24. > :49:27.mobility but we have real reservations about grammar schools

:49:28. > :49:32.as agents of social mobility. The basic problem is they are not

:49:33. > :49:36.attracting poorer children. If you look at the statistics, the

:49:37. > :49:39.likelihood of getting into these grammars is vanishingly small, and

:49:40. > :49:44.we know the biggest issue for social mobility in a way is for that bottom

:49:45. > :49:51.third of pupils. Malcolm Trobe, would you agree with that? Yes, very

:49:52. > :49:55.much. We see that their evidence is increasing selection is not going to

:49:56. > :49:59.have any impact on the overall educational standards across the

:50:00. > :50:03.country. It may impact on the life chances of a small minority of

:50:04. > :50:07.youngsters who go to selective schools, but in terms of raising the

:50:08. > :50:11.overall educational standards across the country and giving us a highly

:50:12. > :50:17.skilled workforce for the future, we don't see this as a positive step.

:50:18. > :50:22.We need good schools for every single child. So you are saying they

:50:23. > :50:25.shouldn't be grammar schools at all. Lee, you are saying there should be

:50:26. > :50:30.as long as poorer children are given the opportunity to access them? We

:50:31. > :50:34.are just pragmatic. Grammar schools are here. I don't think they are

:50:35. > :50:37.going to go always a wealthy are here and let's ensure the benefit

:50:38. > :50:41.all children. I would agree with Malcolm we want good schools, and

:50:42. > :50:45.indeed we want high achieving children from all backgrounds doing

:50:46. > :50:48.well in all schools. I would agree with that, but for grammars

:50:49. > :50:52.specifically I would say you have to be quite radical and lower the

:50:53. > :50:56.grades for poorer children. You have to give them private tutoring,

:50:57. > :50:59.because we know for those who get into grammar schools, and there's

:51:00. > :51:03.been a huge boom in private tutoring over the decade, and the middle

:51:04. > :51:07.classes, thinking about tutoring quite rightly, they are moving

:51:08. > :51:11.further away, and I think it is the poorer children we should

:51:12. > :51:15.concentrate on. It might pay for that? Yes, it is really

:51:16. > :51:20.cost-effective, in many ways, if you get the right tutors. Why don't you

:51:21. > :51:24.just say no one can privately trigger? Social mobility should be

:51:25. > :51:28.about levelling up rather than dumbing down, if you like, and you

:51:29. > :51:35.have to allow parents to do the best for their children, but we need to

:51:36. > :51:38.allow those really bright talented children, from all backgrounds, all

:51:39. > :51:41.kinds of talents, we need to allow that, private tutoring, give them a

:51:42. > :51:48.break. Angela, would you agree with that? Allowed poorer children

:51:49. > :51:53.private tutoring to compete? I believe across the UK where we do

:51:54. > :51:55.not have selection that the evidence is a fully comprehensive system

:51:56. > :52:00.which makes sure every child reaches their potential is the best way

:52:01. > :52:03.forward. Justine Greening spoke a lot about the potential, people

:52:04. > :52:07.reaching their potential, and both me and her come from a comprehensive

:52:08. > :52:10.system, and I really felt what she set about feeling really great that

:52:11. > :52:14.she was the first to go to university, but under her Government

:52:15. > :52:22.she will take us backwards, and it is not Justine Greening that want

:52:23. > :52:24.grammar schools. It is quite clear that this is Theresa May pushing

:52:25. > :52:27.this Government against all the evidence suggesting this will not

:52:28. > :52:29.help social mobility and poorer kids get the best education. They are

:52:30. > :52:32.cutting the school budgets at the moment in most of our children's

:52:33. > :52:37.schools and it is a scandal and should not happen. The only thing I

:52:38. > :52:42.would say to that, you know, it is refreshing to have us alt. Why we

:52:43. > :52:48.are all comprehensive educated. So I! It is great to have a show, and

:52:49. > :52:52.comprehensive education does produce people who go on to do things, but I

:52:53. > :52:55.think we have a pragmatic view and grammars that because they still do

:52:56. > :52:58.produce many of the people who get to the top in society, let's make

:52:59. > :53:02.sure they are accessible to all children. Let me read you some of

:53:03. > :53:06.the messages coming into us. We have been getting so many throughout the

:53:07. > :53:11.morning. Anita says, bring back grammar schools. The sooner, the

:53:12. > :53:24.better. It is not the case of elite being a better

:53:25. > :53:28.system, but concentrating on trades and the like. I know many a

:53:29. > :53:30.tradesperson that have done much better than an academic. Also, I

:53:31. > :53:33.went to grammar school and my sons went to a conference of and I

:53:34. > :53:35.noticed a massive difference in the schooling. What about good boys and

:53:36. > :53:37.girls being bullied and intimidated by those children who are more

:53:38. > :53:40.streetwise? Sometimes able children just leave school. Another e-mail.

:53:41. > :53:45."I Went to a grammar school in the 50s. All of my family was working

:53:46. > :53:49.class. My son is a doctor. And my dad worked in the steelworks. I

:53:50. > :53:54.would call that social mobility." So this suggests it can work? But all

:53:55. > :53:56.the evidence suggests it does not work and if you look at the

:53:57. > :53:59.occupational groups and how people will work through their working

:54:00. > :54:04.lives in the future, it will not be that you have the white and

:54:05. > :54:07.blue-collar, those in manufacturing jobs, but people will work longer,

:54:08. > :54:11.perhaps of a physically demanding job in early years then move onto a

:54:12. > :54:15.different job. We need to scale up the workforce and have a lifelong

:54:16. > :54:18.learning approach and a comprehensive system ensures every

:54:19. > :54:22.child does well, not just those who are gifted and talented. Every child

:54:23. > :54:26.does well in a comprehensive system and that is what we want to see. But

:54:27. > :54:42.Lee says it is about aiming high, and we should not be dumbing

:54:43. > :54:46.down, aiming high. If children are able, give them the opportunity to

:54:47. > :54:48.excel. Absolutely, and if you look at the London Challenge which Labour

:54:49. > :54:50.introduced, not a grammar school insight in London, every child does

:54:51. > :54:52.well. It transformed education system, working with the Department

:54:53. > :54:55.for Education and local Government, they were able to improve the school

:54:56. > :54:58.experience for every single child in the London community and we need to

:54:59. > :55:00.throw that out. We need to look at International studies and see what

:55:01. > :55:04.works best on evidence based policy. Unfortunately grammar schools help a

:55:05. > :55:08.tiny few, and they leave the rest on the scrapheap, and that is not a

:55:09. > :55:11.good way of making sure every child reaches their full potential. Does

:55:12. > :55:17.everyone feel they are on the scrapheap? I did not feel that at

:55:18. > :55:20.the secondary modern. Malcolm Trobe, how do you think you make grammar is

:55:21. > :55:24.accessible? The reality is they year. The Government is pushing

:55:25. > :55:29.forward with this. Do you agree with the idea of private tuition paid for

:55:30. > :55:34.by the state to give people a level playing field? We know this is a

:55:35. > :55:38.highly complex issue and the selection process is used at the

:55:39. > :55:42.moment to enable people to come into grammar schools, let's be fair,

:55:43. > :55:45.those people working in grammar schools at the moment do a good job

:55:46. > :55:53.for the children they have in front of them, however you can't develop

:55:54. > :55:59.Chuter proof tests and any parent desperate to get their youngster

:56:00. > :56:03.into a selective school will do their utmost to make sure they are

:56:04. > :56:07.getting some form of tutoring -- you can't develop tutor-proof tests.

:56:08. > :56:11.What we need to do is get the Government away from thinking about

:56:12. > :56:16.this as the big change. At the moment young people's life chances

:56:17. > :56:20.are being significantly affected, as Angela said earlier, by the fact we

:56:21. > :56:25.are seeing significant cuts in education budgets. It is around

:56:26. > :56:28.about ?1.2 billion in the current year and will be ?3 billion by the

:56:29. > :56:33.time we are at the end of this Parliament. We have a crisis in

:56:34. > :56:37.terms of teacher supply. These are the real issues we need the

:56:38. > :56:43.Government to be focusing on now, in order to ensure we are given the

:56:44. > :56:48.best possible life chances for the youngsters currently in the system.

:56:49. > :56:52.I would just add to that, Malcolm. I think the state sector as a whole

:56:53. > :56:57.needs to up its game on those highest academic achievers. If you

:56:58. > :57:00.look at the system as a whole the children from poorer backgrounds are

:57:01. > :57:04.about on average three years behind their more privileged counterparts

:57:05. > :57:08.at age 15 is, so I absolutely agree with Angela that we need a school

:57:09. > :57:11.system that nurtures different talents, absolutely right. We want a

:57:12. > :57:17.strong apprenticeship system. We need that as well, but I do think we

:57:18. > :57:20.need to work really hard so that the most academically able children in

:57:21. > :57:25.the state sector are competing with their more privileged counterparts.

:57:26. > :57:31.You are right there, Lee. We have to do our best for every single child,

:57:32. > :57:35.but one of the key things is having them all in institutions that are

:57:36. > :57:39.able to move them on. We know from experience that youngsters to

:57:40. > :57:45.develop at different rates. And actually 11 is not a good age at

:57:46. > :57:49.which to make a number of decisions for young people, so, yes, we all

:57:50. > :57:52.need to up our game. When we look at the workforce we are going to need

:57:53. > :57:57.going forward, it is not the workforce we needed in the 50s and

:57:58. > :58:02.60s. It is a highly technical literate workforce with

:58:03. > :58:06.technological and computing skills, and we have to work so all

:58:07. > :58:08.youngsters have access to that. I think you are all agreed on that.

:58:09. > :58:19.Thank you all for joining us today. We have had so many messages coming

:58:20. > :58:22.and I'm sorry I cannot read them. One woman said she wishes both of

:58:23. > :58:28.her children had gone to a comprehensive, an interesting

:58:29. > :58:34.message. Keep them coming in. Hashtag Victoria.

:58:35. > :58:39.this country has been dogged by cocaine and conflict.