24/04/2017

:00:08. > :00:12.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:13. > :00:15.Our top story today - a political earthquake in France.

:00:16. > :00:17.The two major parties that have ruled the country for decades

:00:18. > :00:22.have been swept aside - instead, voters will chose

:00:23. > :00:24.between a relative political novice and an anti-immigration,

:00:25. > :00:27.Full coverage of the presidential elections

:00:28. > :00:37.TRANSLATION: I want to become the president of all the people of

:00:38. > :00:42.France, the president of the Patriots, in the face of threats

:00:43. > :00:45.from the Nationalists. TRANSLATION: The time has come to get rid of all

:00:46. > :00:48.the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the people what they

:00:49. > :00:50.should do. I am the candidate the people.

:00:51. > :00:54.Also this morning: caring for an elderly

:00:55. > :00:57.relative 24 hours a day - we've been to meet those who give

:00:58. > :01:02.up their lives to look after a family member.

:01:03. > :01:09.Its chips the person of the personality that they really are. I

:01:10. > :01:10.have lost my best friend -- it strips the person of their

:01:11. > :01:11.personality. And as Ukip call for a ban

:01:12. > :01:14.on full face veils - one woman who wears a niqab tells us

:01:15. > :01:17.it will lead to a rise Throughout the programme,

:01:18. > :01:31.the latest breaking news and developing stories -

:01:32. > :01:33.and as always, really A little later, we'll be

:01:34. > :01:45.talking about scoliosis. If you were watching Britain's Got

:01:46. > :01:50.Talent on Saturday night, you will have seen Julie, the dancer in the

:01:51. > :01:54.middle, talking about her curvature of the spine. That is what scoliosis

:01:55. > :01:58.is. As a result of discussing that on prime-time telly on a Saturday

:01:59. > :01:59.night, people are learning about it sometimes for the first time.

:02:00. > :02:02.If you're affected by scolosis, do get in touch this morning -

:02:03. > :02:09.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:02:10. > :02:13.Voters in France have chosen the two candidates who will go

:02:14. > :02:14.through to the final round of the presidential

:02:15. > :02:18.They are the independent centrist, Emmanuel Macron, and the leader

:02:19. > :02:23.of the far-right National Front, Marine Le Pen.

:02:24. > :02:26.It's the first time in six decades that neither of France's main

:02:27. > :02:28.left-wing or right-wing parties has had a candidate in the run-off

:02:29. > :02:30.to replace Francois Hollande as French leader.

:02:31. > :02:34.Our Europe Correspondent, James Reynolds has more.

:02:35. > :02:37.Emmanuel Macron is France's newcomer, and now the winner of this

:02:38. > :02:46.He is an insider who's run as an outsider.

:02:47. > :02:49.The 39-year-old is a pro-EU, pro-business centrist.

:02:50. > :02:54.He resigned as a minister in order to form his own political movement.

:02:55. > :03:01.TRANSLATION: I hope that in a fortnight,

:03:02. > :03:08.His supporters believe that the rest of the country

:03:09. > :03:14.This is Emmanuel Macron's first election.

:03:15. > :03:17.The French people still hardly know him.

:03:18. > :03:29.He is now the favourite to become this country's next president.

:03:30. > :03:31.Marine Le Pen, the Front National leader, will fight Emmanuel Macron

:03:32. > :03:35.She won more votes than the party has ever won before.

:03:36. > :03:37.It matches her father Jean-Marie's achievement 15 years ago in reaching

:03:38. > :03:43.TRANSLATION: The French people must take this historic opportunity,

:03:44. > :03:45.because the biggest issue is the globalisation that's putting

:03:46. > :03:55.In Bastille Square in Paris, some left-wing protesters faced

:03:56. > :04:04.These demonstrators were angered by the results of this vote.

:04:05. > :04:07.They, and the rest of the country, will have their final say

:04:08. > :04:22.These two finalists are offering completely opposite visions of

:04:23. > :04:28.France in the future? They are indeed. And what is interesting in

:04:29. > :04:33.all of this is how the old left right divide in French politics has

:04:34. > :04:36.vote. It is a process which is vote. It is a process which is

:04:37. > :04:40.arguably happening in other countries as well, but here it is

:04:41. > :04:44.very stark. The old parties, the Republicans on the right and the

:04:45. > :04:47.socialists who have dominated politics for 60 years have been

:04:48. > :04:53.completely clipped by this new divide which, as you say, is between

:04:54. > :05:01.the global and the national. Marine Le Pen is clearly articulating the

:05:02. > :05:05.view of the victims or those who have not benefited from

:05:06. > :05:09.globalisation, the old white working class, who want more protection and

:05:10. > :05:16.a return to national borders and are very much opposed to the globalised

:05:17. > :05:21.Europe which has become the norm. And then Emmanuel Macron, who alone

:05:22. > :05:24.of all the candidates yesterday has taken up the cudgels for Europe in

:05:25. > :05:29.saying yes, it needs to be changed and reformed, but let's not throw

:05:30. > :05:32.out the baby with the bath water. out the baby with the bath water.

:05:33. > :05:38.Let's keep something that is precious to us and will be necessary

:05:39. > :05:42.for future prosperity. So we do have a very divided country. Although

:05:43. > :05:46.Emmanuel Macron has emerged as the surprise winner yesterday and must

:05:47. > :05:51.be regarded as the favourite, if he does become president, he will have

:05:52. > :05:55.to rule a country in which this dividing line between haves and

:05:56. > :05:57.have-nots, or beneficiaries and sufferers from the system, will be

:05:58. > :05:59.very stark indeed. Joanna is in the BBC

:06:00. > :06:01.Newsroom, with a summary A man's been arrested in connection

:06:02. > :06:05.with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer thought to have

:06:06. > :06:09.been run over by his own car. It's thought Michael

:06:10. > :06:11.Samwell - who was 35 - was killed when he confronted

:06:12. > :06:14.thieves outside his home in Chorlton in the early

:06:15. > :06:16.hours of Sunday morning. How did a disturbance at a house

:06:17. > :06:21.in the early hours end Michael Samwell and his wife

:06:22. > :06:29.were woken up by a loud noise, and the former Royal Naval Officer

:06:30. > :06:31.went downstairs to have a look. The exact sequence of events that

:06:32. > :06:34.followed is not clear, but outside, now cordoned off,

:06:35. > :06:36.the 35-year-old was run over He was taken to hospital,

:06:37. > :06:44.where he later died of his injuries. The vehicle was found

:06:45. > :06:47.abandoned a few miles away. You hear a noise downstairs

:06:48. > :06:54.and you go and see what it is. It's incredibly tragic

:06:55. > :06:56.that he has lost his life. This is described as a quiet

:06:57. > :07:00.corner of Manchester. And gathered in silence,

:07:01. > :07:03.people came to pay their respects, I am a bit shaken up

:07:04. > :07:18.because obviously, One theory is they did

:07:19. > :07:33.break in simply to get If that is the case, it's led

:07:34. > :07:38.to a far more serious enquiry. Four drivers have admitted falling

:07:39. > :07:41.asleep while operating trams in Croydon, where seven people

:07:42. > :07:43.were killed when a tram derailed A investigation for

:07:44. > :07:46.the Victoria Derbyshire programme has also discovered

:07:47. > :07:48.a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

:07:49. > :07:50.that was not reported to the regulator, and three

:07:51. > :07:53.incidents of speeding Tram Operations Ltd,

:07:54. > :07:55.which runs the line, said driver fatigue was monitored

:07:56. > :07:58.and controls were Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal

:07:59. > :08:05.what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation brought

:08:06. > :08:06.in by the Conservatives The Labour leader is

:08:07. > :08:14.making his first campaign visit to Scotland today,

:08:15. > :08:17.where his party is trying to claw back support after huge losses

:08:18. > :08:20.in the election two years ago. Two men are due to appear in court

:08:21. > :08:23.today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

:08:24. > :08:26.in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

:08:27. > :08:29.blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

:08:30. > :08:30.24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

:08:31. > :08:34.Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

:08:35. > :08:38.count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

:08:39. > :08:43.grievous bodily harm. The Government will go

:08:44. > :08:46.to the High Court to try to delay publishing its strategy

:08:47. > :08:50.for tackling air pollution. Today was the deadline for ministers

:08:51. > :08:53.to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean

:08:54. > :08:55.they can't publish sensitive policies before

:08:56. > :08:56.the general election. Campaigners say they're trying

:08:57. > :09:12.to dodge a difficult issue. Tougher punishments for the most

:09:13. > :09:14.serious cases of speeding have come into force in England

:09:15. > :09:16.and Wales today. Drivers can now be fined one

:09:17. > :09:19.and a half times their weekly that means driving over 50 miles

:09:20. > :09:23.an hour in a 30 zone or And a 12-year-old who was trying

:09:24. > :09:28.to drive across the entire breadth of Australia has been picked

:09:29. > :09:30.up by police. The boy was pulled over

:09:31. > :09:32.already 800 miles into his journey in Broken Hill

:09:33. > :09:35.in the New South Wales outback on Saturday after a patrol noticed

:09:36. > :09:37.the car's bumper dragging Police believe he'd planned to keep

:09:38. > :09:42.going all the way to Perth, That's a summary of the latest BBC

:09:43. > :10:04.News - more at 9.30. Thank you for your comments about

:10:05. > :10:08.being carers. Brian says, I gave up my business to care for my mum, who

:10:09. > :10:12.has Alzheimer's. I didn't want to go into a care home. Jamie says as a

:10:13. > :10:17.carer, you learn to shut yourself down and work 24 hours a day. Chris

:10:18. > :10:22.says I was an unpaid care for my dad until he died two years ago. Unpaid

:10:23. > :10:27.carers have been saving the care system 's fortunes for years. The

:10:28. > :10:34.saving from my family must be in six figures. And Leanne says your report

:10:35. > :10:39.looks heartbreaking. Well done, soon. That is the woman we feature

:10:40. > :10:43.in our film in the next few minutes. You are doing well and it is OK to

:10:44. > :10:44.feel like running. If you are a carer for a relative, get in touch

:10:45. > :10:49.and tell us what it is like. Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:10:50. > :11:00.and if you text, you will be charged It is going to be Arsenal against

:11:01. > :11:04.Chelsea in the FA Cup final. Has the pressure eased on Arsene Wenger?

:11:05. > :11:08.Probably not. Arsenal fans are celebrating, but many are divided on

:11:09. > :11:12.whether they want Arsene Wenger to carry on as manager. He is out of

:11:13. > :11:18.contract in the summer, but the big win for him in Wembley. Sergio

:11:19. > :11:23.Aguero gave City the lead at Wembley before Nacho Monreal equalised for

:11:24. > :11:28.Arsenal, drilling at the far post from Oxlade-Chamberlain's cross, and

:11:29. > :11:32.then it went into extra time. 1-1 after 90 minutes. This was Alexi

:11:33. > :11:37.scrambling in a winner to book Arsenal and FA Cup final day with

:11:38. > :11:41.Chelsea. Hugely significant for both managers. Arsene Wenger, it is not

:11:42. > :11:44.often we have seen him smile this season. Seventh in the Premier

:11:45. > :11:49.League, with so much speculated about his future, but he is on to

:11:50. > :11:53.win the FA Cup for the seventh time. Not so good for this man, Pep

:11:54. > :11:56.Guardiola. He will end this season without a trophy, the first time in

:11:57. > :12:03.his coaching career that he has done that. We expected special things.

:12:04. > :12:05.The former Barca and Bayern Munich boss, no trophy for him and they

:12:06. > :12:13.have the Manchester derby on Thursday as well. Barcelona's Lionel

:12:14. > :12:17.Messi cannot stop scoring. What a game last night. It was a

:12:18. > :12:21.sensational game. He is a freak of nature, no other way to describe

:12:22. > :12:26.Lionel Messi. Let's look at the goals from last night. Barcelona

:12:27. > :12:32.were trailing 1-0 at the Bernabeu, on enemy territory. This was him

:12:33. > :12:36.levelling up to make it 1-1. It then went to 2-2 with Sergio Ramos sent

:12:37. > :12:40.off for the home side. Cue an incredible last 15 minutes. That was

:12:41. > :12:49.Lionel Messi, sticking away his 500th goal! He's still only 29. A

:12:50. > :12:52.casual 47 goals for this season and more importantly for Barcelona, they

:12:53. > :12:57.leapfrog Real Madrid at the top of the La Liga title race, which blows

:12:58. > :13:02.it wide open. And from the London Marathon yesterday, so many amazing

:13:03. > :13:07.stories, but it was quite a day for the Swansea Harriers running club.

:13:08. > :13:16.It was. Look at these pictures. 5 million of you watched this. This is

:13:17. > :13:19.David Wyatt. You may have seen his brother present the sport on this

:13:20. > :13:22.programme. He was struggling to reach the finishing line. His hero

:13:23. > :13:29.on the left, Matthew Rees, came to help him. Dave was on for a two-hour

:13:30. > :13:34.38 finish, and a starting time. He still managed it in under three

:13:35. > :13:38.hours. I have played football with Dave before and seen him doing

:13:39. > :13:41.better than that. I texted him last time. He said he has had a big

:13:42. > :13:45.burger and is feeling much better. He was on BBC Breakfast this morning

:13:46. > :13:50.and is holding his own press conference, very presidential! But

:13:51. > :13:55.it is great for Swansea Harriers. Another great story from yesterday

:13:56. > :14:01.singer that this is Josh Griffiths, 23 years old. Two hours and 14

:14:02. > :14:04.minutes and 54 seconds. He is going to qualify for the World

:14:05. > :14:08.Championships. We will hopefully hear from him at ten o'clock. I have

:14:09. > :14:15.texted him to see if he will come and have a chat. I don't know how

:14:16. > :14:18.anybody wants a marathon! Amazing if anyone -- for anyone who got to the

:14:19. > :14:21.end. As the country faces a care crisis,

:14:22. > :14:24.several charities have told this programme they want social care

:14:25. > :14:26.to be a top priority Alzheimer's Society,

:14:27. > :14:28.Independent Age and UK Homecare Association are calling

:14:29. > :14:30.for political parties to feature the issue high up

:14:31. > :14:33.on their manifestos, with better funding a key

:14:34. > :14:36.area they want the next The Government says it's investing

:14:37. > :14:41.an extra ?2 billion in social care, This morning, we're going

:14:42. > :14:49.to bring you an insight Sue Jenkins says she's basically

:14:50. > :14:52.given up her life to care for her mother Patricia,

:14:53. > :14:54.who is 88 and needs She has dementia, is doubly

:14:55. > :15:00.incontinent and uses a wheelchair. Our reporter James Longman

:15:01. > :15:03.has been to meet her. What's it like to spend

:15:04. > :15:12.your life looking after To sometimes not sleep, not eat,

:15:13. > :15:16.not really have much We spent 24 hours with 88-year-old

:15:17. > :15:41.Patricia Jenkins and her daughter She had funding to keep her mum

:15:42. > :15:45.at home stopped twice by the authorities,

:15:46. > :15:50.but she is battling on. It's 8am and Sue is getting

:15:51. > :15:52.Patricia ready for the day. Patricia suffers from Alzheimer's

:15:53. > :15:59.and is also disabled. She is doubly incontinent

:16:00. > :16:00.and wheelchair bound. Whilst Sue does have carers

:16:01. > :16:05.to assist her at different times, her life is wholly dedicated

:16:06. > :16:07.to looking after her mother. She has a lot of challenging

:16:08. > :16:19.behaviour, screaming, hitting out... That's part of that illness and it

:16:20. > :16:30.strips the person of the personality What is it like for you,

:16:31. > :16:38.for your mum to hit you, The stress on you must

:16:39. > :16:47.be pretty intense. Yes, it's heartbreaking and it can

:16:48. > :16:49.make you feel useless. As she is saying that

:16:50. > :16:56.you are and it can make you quantity As she is saying that

:16:57. > :16:59.you are and it can make you want to run for the hills

:17:00. > :17:02.and just run into the night and there have been

:17:03. > :17:04.many occasions where I just wanted to run off thinking

:17:05. > :17:06.I was a useless carer. Patricia can't spend more

:17:07. > :17:09.than a couple of hours away from her daughter before

:17:10. > :17:11.she becomes too distressed. People watching might just sort

:17:12. > :17:15.of think, you've given up your life. Very outward going person,

:17:16. > :17:28.but I take care of my I feel like I'm

:17:29. > :17:42.constantly dropping you. OK.

:17:43. > :17:49.All right mummy. Sue has one or two carers

:17:50. > :17:58.at various times in the week, But even so, her mother

:17:59. > :18:01.constantly calls for her. It's clear that Sue

:18:02. > :18:12.is finding the going tough. It's horrible to see her

:18:13. > :18:16.so distressed like that. She doesn't want to come

:18:17. > :18:22.back in half the time. You've got a carer here,

:18:23. > :18:25.but it is up and down, People watching this might sort

:18:26. > :18:31.of say is it not time And the Government want to encourage

:18:32. > :18:40.people to stay in their own homes and nurse people in their own homes

:18:41. > :18:43.and say there is support out there for carers

:18:44. > :18:46.that there is, but there isn't. It's the most isolating situation

:18:47. > :18:48.anyone could find themselves in. And your mother I suppose is the one

:18:49. > :18:52.person you should be able Somewhere inside, but you know,

:18:53. > :19:21.the person I dearly love and dearly want to talk to about so many things

:19:22. > :19:24.has left me already and the thought of losing her fills me with complete

:19:25. > :19:27.dread because my life Do you want to go?

:19:28. > :19:59.She is shouting for you again. Sweetheart, can you just give us

:20:00. > :20:12.a little bit of quiet for a minute? All right, we'll get

:20:13. > :20:17.you changedment all right. We gave Sue a camera to show us

:20:18. > :20:25.what it's like overnight. She has been highly

:20:26. > :20:26.agitated all evening and to the point where we had to go

:20:27. > :20:34.for a walk around midnight. The nights are when things

:20:35. > :20:41.can get really bad. Her skin needs to be

:20:42. > :20:46.prepared for the cold air. We tried to speak to Patricia,

:20:47. > :20:49.but she becomes very agitated with people she doesn't know

:20:50. > :20:51.and that wasn't possible. OK, we're getting you out,

:20:52. > :20:53.don't worry about it. Sue sometimes goes

:20:54. > :20:55.without sleep altogether. Tonight pains in her abdomen have

:20:56. > :20:57.kept Patricia awake. So we get on and hoist

:20:58. > :21:28.her into bed now. We've managed to

:21:29. > :21:41.settle mummy in bed. But she's still a

:21:42. > :21:43.little bit restless. I've been on the go now all day

:21:44. > :21:55.with a pretty bad day. Mother in quite a state and anyway,

:21:56. > :22:01.I'm going to go and get another hot-water bottle and see if I can

:22:02. > :22:04.get some sleep before It's early morning and

:22:05. > :22:25.the routine starts again. We tried to change her because she

:22:26. > :22:38.was incontinent which she has been through the night,

:22:39. > :22:40.but we couldn't roll her and turn her at all,

:22:41. > :22:43.she was quite aggressive So we couldn't actually

:22:44. > :22:47.move her physically. She was resisting and then

:22:48. > :22:53.grabbing hold of us both and so unfortunately

:22:54. > :22:56.because of that, because she has been to the toilet it then spread

:22:57. > :22:59.and we've really been trying to clean her up and it

:23:00. > :23:02.has been a big clean up Being here, you really get a sense

:23:03. > :23:13.of what being a carer is like and I mean just on a couple

:23:14. > :23:17.hours sleep, Sue is up every morning looking after her mother, yes,

:23:18. > :23:19.she has carers here, but she almost has to manage them

:23:20. > :23:23.as well and this is her whole life. I mean, just looking

:23:24. > :23:25.after her mum and it has been It costs over ?2,500 a week

:23:26. > :23:37.to keep Patricia at home. But Sue says they have twice tried

:23:38. > :23:45.to stop that funding in order to force her to put Patricia

:23:46. > :23:47.in a home. She says she feels constantly

:23:48. > :23:49.hounded by authorities and has been taken to court over payments

:23:50. > :23:54.she says she isn't liable for. The hours that have been stolen

:23:55. > :24:02.from me over this court case where I have had to e-mail

:24:03. > :24:04.after e-mail after e-mail and chase and phone,

:24:05. > :24:07.it has taken hours away, hours that belong

:24:08. > :24:12.to my mother and I. Six years ago, Sue's husband

:24:13. > :24:15.left her when she decided to look I have good friends,

:24:16. > :24:26.but the friends that don't understand go by the wayside

:24:27. > :24:34.and you find that having any kind of relationship in my situation

:24:35. > :24:37.is very difficult too and that can It would take a very understanding

:24:38. > :24:43.man to understand my situation. Every so often Sue takes

:24:44. > :24:51.her mother on days out. They can't go too far,

:24:52. > :24:54.but today it's a trip to the sea. That's for us to drink because we

:24:55. > :24:57.haven't had any lunch yet. Do you want me to see

:24:58. > :25:03.if I can put some music on? There are those beautiful tender

:25:04. > :25:15.moments, the occasional little I think people watching this

:25:16. > :25:36.and seeing what you go through will ask themselves well,

:25:37. > :25:41.when does this stop, what happens when it is too much,

:25:42. > :25:44.when you can't see any enjoyment anymore, when maybe you can't

:25:45. > :25:46.look after her anymore? Do you even talk

:25:47. > :25:59.about that with her? I don't talk about it with her. It

:26:00. > :26:04.is unimaginable that I would never look after. I get the sense of a

:26:05. > :26:08.carer that's related to the person they're caring for, you might be

:26:09. > :26:15.better equipped to look after them, but then are you really ready to let

:26:16. > :26:23.go? No, not really if I'm honest. I don't even want to think about it.

:26:24. > :26:27.You can see the bond between Sue and her mother and you can see those

:26:28. > :26:33.glimpses of the woman Patricia clearly was of the there is a lot of

:26:34. > :26:36.love there, but this whole situation had a big emotional impact

:26:37. > :26:40.particularly on Sue and you know this is just a woman who really

:26:41. > :26:45.needs help. Over six million people in the UK

:26:46. > :26:47.volunteer to care for sick or elderly relatives. Those numbers are

:26:48. > :27:05.going up and so are the pressures. It's so moving. It is something that

:27:06. > :27:07.affects so many of you judging by the number of comments we're

:27:08. > :27:13.receiving. Let's have a look. Karen, "It is

:27:14. > :27:17.incredibly hard to be a carer. My mum needs everything doing for her.

:27:18. > :27:21.I share the caring with my brother, mainly over the whole weekendful she

:27:22. > :27:26.does have carers popping in, but not every day and the carers don't have

:27:27. > :27:31.enough time to do what's necessary. So I find myself cleaning up after

:27:32. > :27:35.them. Carers themselves are not looked after enough, not paid enough

:27:36. > :27:39.and have little respect in their own job." This texter says, "I am a

:27:40. > :27:44.carer for my son who has special needs as well as other issues. It is

:27:45. > :27:49.hard work and demanding. You never get time to yourself and when you

:27:50. > :27:54.do, you're mentally drained." That teen says, "I am a full-time carer

:27:55. > :28:02.for my mum. She won't let anyone look after her even for a day."

:28:03. > :28:07.Elaine, "I am puzzled, looking after relatives. The unpaid word suggests

:28:08. > :28:09.it a state responsibility. Surely it is a family responsibility." Thank

:28:10. > :28:15.you for those. Keep them coming in. And after 10:30am, we'll be hearing

:28:16. > :28:18.from people around the UK who care If you do - get in touch and give us

:28:19. > :28:23.an insight into your day. Ukip says it would ban full veils

:28:24. > :28:28.worn by some Muslim women 15-year-old Julia Carlile raised

:28:29. > :28:44.awareness of scoliosis when she danced her way

:28:45. > :28:47.through to the semi-finals But the surgery available

:28:48. > :29:02.in the UK to correct it An e-mail from Bethany on this to

:29:03. > :29:09.say, "Peu was dig knowed with this at eight years old. My curvature was

:29:10. > :29:12.severe and I had my spinal fusion operation aged ten. My parents

:29:13. > :29:17.didn't think I would walk againment however, I was determined to exceed

:29:18. > :29:22.expectations. I got all As and A stars at dance and drama at school

:29:23. > :29:29.and I have gone on to study per fortunatelying arts and have become

:29:30. > :29:30.a professional performer and dancer and choreographer." Thank you,

:29:31. > :29:33.Bethany. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom,

:29:34. > :29:38.with a summary of today's news. A former banker will take

:29:39. > :29:40.on the anti-immigration far right leader Marine Le Pen in the second

:29:41. > :29:43.round of the French Emmanuel Macron came first

:29:44. > :29:49.in the vote yesterday. He's seen as a political newcomer

:29:50. > :29:53.and ran as an independent. It's the first time in six decades

:29:54. > :29:56.the mainstream parties have not had a candidate in the run-off to become

:29:57. > :30:00.French president. A man has been arrested

:30:01. > :30:02.in connection with the murder of a former

:30:03. > :30:05.Royal Navy officer thought to have It's thought Mike Samwell -

:30:06. > :30:09.who was 35 - was killed when he confronted

:30:10. > :30:11.thieves outside his home in the Chorlton area of Manchester

:30:12. > :30:13.in the early hours Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife

:30:14. > :30:17.Jessica when the intruders struck. Four drivers have admitted falling

:30:18. > :30:19.asleep while operating trams in Croydon, where seven people

:30:20. > :30:22.were killed when a tram derailed A investigation for

:30:23. > :30:28.the Victoria Derbyshire programme has also discovered

:30:29. > :30:31.a failure with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

:30:32. > :30:33.that was not reported to the regulator, and three

:30:34. > :30:35.incidents of speeding Tram Operations Ltd,

:30:36. > :30:41.which runs the line, said driver fatigue was monitored

:30:42. > :30:43.and controls were We'll bring you more on that

:30:44. > :30:48.investigation after 10 o'clock. Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal

:30:49. > :30:52.what he calls "vicious" trade union legislation,

:30:53. > :30:55.brought in by the Conservatives, The Labour leader will make

:30:56. > :30:59.the pledge today to trade union members in Scotland,

:31:00. > :31:02.where his party's trying to claw back support after huge losses

:31:03. > :31:05.in the election two years ago. Two men are due to appear in court

:31:06. > :31:09.today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

:31:10. > :31:12.in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

:31:13. > :31:14.blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

:31:15. > :31:18.24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

:31:19. > :31:21.Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

:31:22. > :31:24.count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

:31:25. > :31:30.grievous bodily harm. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:31:31. > :31:40.News - more at 10.00. Time for the latest sport now.

:31:41. > :31:44.Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey said the team want to win the FA Cup for Arsenal

:31:45. > :31:48.Wenger. It will be an all London final between Arsenal and Chelsea

:31:49. > :31:52.next month. They came from behind to take the tie into extra time before

:31:53. > :31:59.Alexis Sanchez scrambled in that winner. It finished 2-1. Bigelow

:32:00. > :32:03.Kante has won the professional footballers Association Player of

:32:04. > :32:08.the Year award. Tottenham's Dele Alli won the Young player prize for

:32:09. > :32:12.the second successive year. 500 goals now for Lionel Messi in a

:32:13. > :32:18.Barcelona shirt. His side blue La Liga post by title race open with a

:32:19. > :32:22.dramatic victory at Real Madrid, Messi with a stoppage time winner.

:32:23. > :32:26.And they club runner with Swansea Harriers stunned Britain's elite men

:32:27. > :32:31.at the London Marathon to qualify for the 2017 World Championships in

:32:32. > :32:35.London. Josh Griffiths, who is 23, finished in two hours, 14 minutes

:32:36. > :32:41.and 49 seconds on his marathon debut. Victoria Warner speak to him

:32:42. > :32:42.just after ten. -- Victoria Warner speak to him.

:32:43. > :32:45.Ukip says its election manifesto will include a pledge to ban

:32:46. > :32:47.the full face veils worn by some Muslim women.

:32:48. > :32:52.The party leader, Paul Nuttall, suggested people

:32:53. > :32:55.who continued to wear a niqab or a burqa would be fined.

:32:56. > :32:59.A niqab, on the left, allows the eyes to be seen.

:33:00. > :33:05.So does this policy amount to an attack on Muslims?

:33:06. > :33:08.Let's bring together Sahar Al Faifi, who's worn

:33:09. > :33:12.She is a geneticist and assistant Secretary General of the Muslim

:33:13. > :33:15.Council of Wales and also with us, Liz Jones, who's on Ukip's National

:33:16. > :33:29.Liz Jones, tell Sahar why you would ban what she is wearing right now.

:33:30. > :33:36.Two reasons. Firstly, the issue of security. I'm sure you are aware

:33:37. > :33:44.that on the 21st of May 2005, one of the London bombers endeavoured to

:33:45. > :33:47.escape by wearing the full niqab. So we have a security issue. I am sure

:33:48. > :33:51.you are also aware that there was a recent robbery at Selfridges store

:33:52. > :33:55.in London, where all the robbers wore the niqab. I am also sure you

:33:56. > :34:03.are aware that there were big issues in student campuses and the

:34:04. > :34:05.dormitories in Cairo, Jordan and Afghanistan with terrorists entering

:34:06. > :34:12.those buildings wearing the niqab. So we have a security issue. On that

:34:13. > :34:15.point, would you ban motorcycle helmets and balaclavas, because we

:34:16. > :34:26.have had robberies with people wearing those? Using the same logic?

:34:27. > :34:32.No, because it is about the sharing of public space. You cannot enter

:34:33. > :34:37.certain public areas. But you can commit a robbery wearing a

:34:38. > :34:43.motorcycle helmet or balaclava. But you are not saying the ban

:34:44. > :34:49.motorcycle helmets? No, because there is another element. The second

:34:50. > :34:55.element is the issue of integration. We have to accept that the move of

:34:56. > :35:02.the 21st century is towards inclusiveness and cohesion within

:35:03. > :35:07.the public space. So many people would consider that a woman being

:35:08. > :35:12.covered would show that she is separated, whether willingly or

:35:13. > :35:18.unwillingly, from society. In fact, I am sure you are aware that in

:35:19. > :35:21.2006, Jack Straw, the Labour MP, spoke vociferously against the face

:35:22. > :35:28.veil and he was supported by Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. In January

:35:29. > :35:31.2016, David Cameron reiterated that and said public authorities should

:35:32. > :35:35.have the right to set down reasonable rules with regard to the

:35:36. > :35:41.wearing of the face veil. Lets let Sahar respond now. Thank you. First

:35:42. > :35:46.of all, I have to explain why I am wearing the face veil. Firstly, it

:35:47. > :35:49.is an act of worship. I am a human being on a spiritual journey, trying

:35:50. > :35:58.to connect with God. That is why I wear it. The narrative that the face

:35:59. > :36:07.veil somehow undermine security is a false narrative. Muslim women who

:36:08. > :36:12.choose to wear it are a minority within a minority. And this minority

:36:13. > :36:18.are more than happy to reveal their identity with an ID card whenever

:36:19. > :36:24.needed. So security is a false narrative. With the rise of

:36:25. > :36:29.Islamophobia and the hostile environment around Muslims, there

:36:30. > :36:36.are politicians making irresponsible comments across the political

:36:37. > :36:41.spectrum, not only Ukip. It now sits the context that we live to demonise

:36:42. > :36:47.and scapegoat minorities. And the easiest target for that is the

:36:48. > :36:49.Muslim woman. If we are talking about empowering Muslim women and

:36:50. > :36:54.enhancing their integration, surely you should support their right to

:36:55. > :37:01.express their faith in the way they want. Theresa May said on hijab day

:37:02. > :37:10.in February, what a woman wears is her choice. So when we have people

:37:11. > :37:18.telling us it is actually a security issue and undermines integration, we

:37:19. > :37:23.have to talk to the women who choose to wear it. I am a geneticist. I

:37:24. > :37:28.participate in public life. I campaign for social justice. But

:37:29. > :37:32.when you have the far right like Ukip trying to distract the public

:37:33. > :37:40.from the more important issues like housing, unemployment and creating

:37:41. > :37:43.jobs for youth using this piece of fabric that I'd choose to wear as

:37:44. > :37:55.part of my faith, part of my identity. I have to say, it is not a

:37:56. > :38:02.far issue. As I said, in 2006, Jack Straw... He apologised for it. He

:38:03. > :38:18.apologised publicly. But he did have the support of Gordon Brown and Tony

:38:19. > :38:21.Blair. But he said it was a mistake. Please don't talk at once.

:38:22. > :38:36.I will give each of you the right time. It is not an issue with regard

:38:37. > :38:43.to religion per se because in 2017, the grand mosque in Mecca bandit. It

:38:44. > :38:50.is not common to wear it in Iran, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

:38:51. > :38:55.Britain is a multicultural society. Of course, that is why in the

:38:56. > :39:01.private sphere, you are free to wear whatever you want. However, because

:39:02. > :39:07.we are a multicultural nation now, the public sphere has to have

:39:08. > :39:18.communality so that all segments of society can feel that they belong.

:39:19. > :39:23.Does communality mean everyone has the look the same? This is a

:39:24. > :39:29.simulation, not integration. Everyone has the right to express

:39:30. > :39:31.their faith, their sexual orientation, their belief, their

:39:32. > :39:38.views, as long as they don't harm anyone. This is how we live today in

:39:39. > :39:43.a multicultural British society. I am not going to accept to be

:39:44. > :39:52.assimilated into the larger society for the sake of value to my identity

:39:53. > :39:56.or my faith. If we are talking about integration, we should create an

:39:57. > :40:03.equal space for everyone to express whatever they want. Liz Jones, your

:40:04. > :40:06.leader Paul Nuttall said yes, wear it in the privacy of your own home,

:40:07. > :40:13.but when you are out and about, you would be fine. How would that work?

:40:14. > :40:16.That would be a matter for the police to organise. I understand

:40:17. > :40:21.they have organised in France, where it has been illegal since 2011 to

:40:22. > :40:26.wear the burqa. I don't know how the police would manage that. That would

:40:27. > :40:30.be a matter for them. Anti-Muslim sentiment has led to an increase in

:40:31. > :40:36.physical, verbal and online attacks previously in Britain. Do you think

:40:37. > :40:42.the same will happen this time? Not at all. There are many Muslims in

:40:43. > :40:46.this country who would support a burqa ban. We have had well-known

:40:47. > :40:52.Muslims speaking out. Salman Rushdie has spoken out against it. But would

:40:53. > :41:01.it lead to an increase in attacks? By banning it? If the face veil was

:41:02. > :41:06.made a criminal offence, or a low-level offence... What do you

:41:07. > :41:13.mean? It would be a par with anti-social behaviour, a previous

:41:14. > :41:17.Labour initiative. If it were at that level, I don't see why it would

:41:18. > :41:22.result in more attacks, because people would presumably be obeying

:41:23. > :41:27.the law in which case the faces would be uncovered. How about I

:41:28. > :41:30.speak to you from my experience? After Brexit, there was a sharp

:41:31. > :41:36.increase in Islamophobic attacks. I am facing so many Islamophobic

:41:37. > :41:40.attacks that it has become part of my life because of your

:41:41. > :41:45.irresponsible comments against Muslims, alienating them all the

:41:46. > :41:49.time for the sake of getting votes. I will give you an example. I did an

:41:50. > :41:55.interview with the BBC in response to the proposed anti-extremism laws

:41:56. > :42:00.by David Cameron and someone passed by, looked fearlessly at the camera

:42:01. > :42:08.and swore at me, you are an F word bummer, because you and the likes of

:42:09. > :42:11.you said that I and -- is a Muslim unthreatening society. When people

:42:12. > :42:17.see politicians like you speaking in the media like this, someone in the

:42:18. > :42:24.street had the guts to look at the camera and said, you're an F word

:42:25. > :42:28.bomber. If you are supporting community cohesion, we must reject

:42:29. > :42:31.hate and bigotry. This is what happens in front of camera. You can

:42:32. > :42:36.imagine what happens behind it. Someone like me, who is highly

:42:37. > :42:38.educated, working tirelessly to treat cancer patients, is being

:42:39. > :42:50.abused in the street. Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable to

:42:51. > :42:55.discriminate against anyone? It is not acceptable. It is a criminal

:42:56. > :43:02.offence. Did you report it to the police? Of course. What resulted you

:43:03. > :43:07.get? The result that they could prosecute him. There is a gap in the

:43:08. > :43:10.UK law. Muslims are not protected equally as the black and Jewish

:43:11. > :43:18.community. But that is another discussion. I am saying to you that

:43:19. > :43:25.irresponsible comments by you contribute to demonising Muslims.

:43:26. > :43:32.You are a woman and I am a woman was that we should support each other.

:43:33. > :43:35.If a woman wants to wear a miniskirt, let her wear it. If a

:43:36. > :43:40.woman wants to wear a face veil, let her wear it. An Egyptian feminist

:43:41. > :43:47.took the brave step of going into Tahrir Square, and she removed her

:43:48. > :43:54.face veil in public. That was the launch in Egypt of women's rights. I

:43:55. > :44:01.am going to post you there. Thank you, both. These are comments from

:44:02. > :44:05.people watching around the country. Rebekah tweets that the Ukip debate

:44:06. > :44:09.is embarrassing. It is a blatantly racist attack, no matter how they

:44:10. > :44:17.dress it up. This Ukip representative should be ashamed.

:44:18. > :44:20.Alexander says, hardly any crimes occur because someone wore a veil.

:44:21. > :44:23.Terry says I'm sure there would be better integration if Ukip stopped

:44:24. > :44:29.trying to force everyone to be like them. Rob - ask the Ukip woman if

:44:30. > :44:37.face coverings include EDL thugs in balaclavas. Well, it depends where

:44:38. > :44:42.they are wearing balaclavas. Obviously, there would be allowed

:44:43. > :44:48.into a bank or department store. But on the street is fine? It is about

:44:49. > :44:54.being in the public domain. If people find that threatening, it is

:44:55. > :44:59.an issue. So you are not suggesting banning balaclavas in the street? I

:45:00. > :45:03.would not suggest putting balaclavas in the manifesto because it is a

:45:04. > :45:07.double situation. We have the security situation, and if that said

:45:08. > :45:11.one life, it would be worth doing. The other situation is the

:45:12. > :45:16.integration situation. Do you think it makes it easy for people to

:45:17. > :45:21.integrate with EDL thugs wearing balaclavas? Well, how many of those

:45:22. > :45:29.are there? I have not seen one on my way to this studio today. I have

:45:30. > :45:31.never seen one in my life, have you? Speaking again in about integration,

:45:32. > :45:47.let's talk facts. Muslims contribute ?30 billion to

:45:48. > :45:52.the British economy. 50% of Muslim females or 50% of Muslim students

:45:53. > :45:56.generally are in university in comparison to 38% of the general

:45:57. > :46:02.public. This is what I call integration. Liz Jones, I wanted to

:46:03. > :46:06.get your reaction to the fact that one of the French Presidential

:46:07. > :46:12.candidates going through to the final round is Marie led pen. How do

:46:13. > :46:15.you respond to that? I don't know if she is anti-immigration. She wants

:46:16. > :46:19.to have more secure measures within France and that's a matter for her.

:46:20. > :46:23.I don't seek to make any comment about her policies. I'm in Britain

:46:24. > :46:28.and I'm concerned for the British public. Now I will say... Would you

:46:29. > :46:31.rather she won compared to the independent centrist candidate? I am

:46:32. > :46:36.not going to get involved with the French election. That would be

:46:37. > :46:44.impertinent. Do you have an opinion? Not really. It would be impertinent

:46:45. > :46:49.for me to express. Not really, you have entitled to express an opinion?

:46:50. > :46:53.I wouldn't like it if she was to make remarks about the British

:46:54. > :46:59.election. I'm not asking you to tell people who to vote for. I prefer

:47:00. > :47:10.Marie. She is better looking. Thank you very much for your time.

:47:11. > :47:13.The MP who said femininst zealots really do want

:47:14. > :47:16.to have their cake and eat it will now face the leader

:47:17. > :47:19.of the Women's Equality Party at the ballot box in Shipley

:47:20. > :47:28.We speak to both candidates in the next hour.

:47:29. > :47:32.This is an x-ray of someone with scoliosis -

:47:33. > :47:39.it's where the spine twists and curves to one side.

:47:40. > :47:43.Most people can live a normal life with it,

:47:44. > :47:46.but those who need an operation to correct it can end up

:47:47. > :47:53.It has been brought to wider attention following

:47:54. > :47:56.this stand out moment on Britain's Got Talent.

:47:57. > :47:59.This group came together because I've got scoliosis, so...

:48:00. > :48:04.Scoliosis is like a curvature of the spine.

:48:05. > :48:08.My one's quite rare because it's more common to, like,

:48:09. > :48:12.have an accident and get it but I was born with it.

:48:13. > :48:14.So I have to have surgery soon and after surgery,

:48:15. > :48:17.I won't be able to dance so this is like my last chance because I've

:48:18. > :48:23.You've got an amazing attitude. I've got to tell you.

:48:24. > :48:51.# Like how a single word can make a heart open

:48:52. > :48:56.# I might only have one match but I can make an explosion

:48:57. > :49:02.# And all those things I didn't say were wrecking balls inside my brain

:49:03. > :49:09.# I will scream them loud tonight, Can you hear my voice this time?

:49:10. > :49:32.# And I don't really care if nobody else believes

:49:33. > :49:39.# 'Cause I've still got a lot of fight left in me

:49:40. > :49:45.# I've still got a lot of fight left in me #

:49:46. > :50:06.It really touched me, so much so that I'm going to go...

:50:07. > :50:33.15-year-old Julie Carlile is taking part on Britain's Got Talent

:50:34. > :50:36.in the hope of raising nearly ?80,000 so she can travel

:50:37. > :50:38.to America and receive another type of surgery

:50:39. > :50:40.which could cure her completely and will allow her to

:50:41. > :50:43.This programme has learnt NHS doctors in England already

:50:44. > :50:46.have the expertise to carry out this operation, known as tethering,

:50:47. > :50:48.but currently patients are not allowed it.

:50:49. > :50:51.Let's now talk to Olivia Wingrove. She is 18.

:50:52. > :50:53.She was diagnosed aged 15 with scoliosis -

:50:54. > :51:04.His patients include professional dancers and sports stars.

:51:05. > :51:12.Hello there Molloy. Olivia. Tell our audience what it is like living with

:51:13. > :51:17.scoliosis. It's quite hard because you're very restricted on what you

:51:18. > :51:20.can do. Like even day-to-day tasks like walking long-distances and

:51:21. > :51:26.carrying a heavy bag is very hard and it strains your back. And if I

:51:27. > :51:29.go to the gym or anything, I can only restrict myself in certain

:51:30. > :51:34.things because I can only move so much. Right. Is it painful? Yeah, it

:51:35. > :51:41.is very painful. But I've learnt to cope with the pain. I need to click

:51:42. > :51:46.my back every now and then as a relief of the pain, but it's if I'm

:51:47. > :51:52.sitting in one position for say half an hour, you need to move otherwise

:51:53. > :51:59.it does become very painful. You were diagnosed at 15 Yes. What

:52:00. > :52:04.triggered it? It is from when I heart had my growth spurt, but they

:52:05. > :52:07.are not 100% sure. When you were watching this on Britain's Got

:52:08. > :52:16.Talent on Saturday night, what did you think? I just tried. When she

:52:17. > :52:20.came on and explained her situation. I didn't know anyone with scoliosis

:52:21. > :52:26.would be able to do something like that. And the fact that she is

:52:27. > :52:30.raising awareness and rather successfully so far... Yeah. Is that

:52:31. > :52:35.helpful to people like yourself with this condition? Yes, because not

:52:36. > :52:40.many people know about it. I only met one other person with it. I have

:52:41. > :52:43.written a blog on it to raise awareness because it's like even

:52:44. > :52:49.Simon Cowell didn't know what it was. No one knows. Sean Molloy thank

:52:50. > :52:54.you for talking to us. What leads to scoliosis? Well, it's a combination

:52:55. > :53:01.really of genetic environmental factors. We don't really know the

:53:02. > :53:07.vast majority scoliosis of adolescent scoliosis and that really

:53:08. > :53:12.means we don't know what the cause is. So we're left with a lot of

:53:13. > :53:17.patients who particularly, females in their growth spurt who get a

:53:18. > :53:22.curvature of their spine and we have to try and do something for them.

:53:23. > :53:25.Julia on Britain's Got Talent has to go to America to receive this

:53:26. > :53:29.tethering surgery. What is it and why can't we do it here when

:53:30. > :53:33.surgeons here have the expertise in England? I think one of the simplest

:53:34. > :53:37.things for your audience is many, many years ago, if you had a problem

:53:38. > :53:42.with your hip or knee, you would fuse the hip or knee and that would

:53:43. > :53:45.lead you to have great disability, you couldn't play tennis or squash

:53:46. > :53:51.and what we have been left with in spinal surgery, in scoliosis surgery

:53:52. > :53:54.we still fuse people. The hip replacement and the knee replacement

:53:55. > :53:59.has come along, what we are trying to do is keep people from being

:54:00. > :54:03.fused and therefore they have functional spine. So this is

:54:04. > :54:06.evolutionary in terms of our techniques. So instead of fusing

:54:07. > :54:11.children like we do at moment we are trying to do a thing called

:54:12. > :54:15.tethering which is trying to modulate growth or the type of

:54:16. > :54:21.growth that occurs in the spine as you have seen with the images we

:54:22. > :54:26.have given to you, they were given from Jason at George's, you can see

:54:27. > :54:30.there is a lateral curvature of the spine which is what scoliosis is and

:54:31. > :54:33.the tether or the growth that you can see have been put on the long

:54:34. > :54:37.side of the spine or the right-hand side of the spine as you look at the

:54:38. > :54:42.images and what we're hoping to do is the child as they grow, they will

:54:43. > :54:46.actually grow on the left-hand side of the spine, thereby normalising

:54:47. > :54:52.the actual spine and straightening what you are seeing is three images.

:54:53. > :54:57.One preoperatively with a sizeable curve. The middle image shows you

:54:58. > :55:01.post-operatively, you might look at it and think it hasn't changed much

:55:02. > :55:05.and you would be right in saying it hasn't changed much, but on the

:55:06. > :55:09.right-hand side, 12 months done the line, the curvature has reversed and

:55:10. > :55:13.we have had a cure of the actual scoliosis itself. That's the main

:55:14. > :55:18.aim. Are patients not getting that in this country or are they? The

:55:19. > :55:22.most important thing to say is we are cautious in this country like

:55:23. > :55:27.everybody should be because, of course, the data is not complete. We

:55:28. > :55:30.don't know if this treatment is going to be a long-standing

:55:31. > :55:34.treatment for people. It was done first 11 years ago in the United

:55:35. > :55:40.States and there was a case report, but the larger series which are only

:55:41. > :55:44.20 and 32 patients were published in 2014 and 2015. There have been 20

:55:45. > :55:49.cases done at St George's Hospital in London and also we started a

:55:50. > :55:55.programme here a the Royal National Orthopaedic Hospital, but for the

:55:56. > :55:59.time NHS England want to have a look at this and decide how this

:56:00. > :56:04.treatment maybe commissioned and how the funding stream will be given for

:56:05. > :56:11.these patients. Thank you very much, Sean. Sean Molloy who is a spinal

:56:12. > :56:15.surgeon. Actually lots of people live with

:56:16. > :56:20.scoliosis very successfully and do not need surgery.

:56:21. > :56:23.The general election will see plenty of new faces in parliament -

:56:24. > :56:25.and other long serving politicians leaving - including former

:56:26. > :56:27.Conservative Party chairman Sir Eric Pickles who's been

:56:28. > :56:29.in British politics for 25 years, but has announced

:56:30. > :56:32.he won't be seeking re-election in the Brentwood and

:56:33. > :56:33.We can speak to him now in Chelmsford.

:56:34. > :56:47.Hello to you. Hello. Why are you leaving? I have decided

:56:48. > :56:51.that this would be my last Parliament and I decide after

:56:52. > :56:55.Theresa's shock announcement whether I wanted to do another and I decided

:56:56. > :56:59.that I didn't, I think it is far better to leave when people are

:57:00. > :57:03.wondering why you step down than to hang around and wonder why you're

:57:04. > :57:07.still there are. In the past you have been involved in drafting four

:57:08. > :57:11.Conservative manifestoes, clearly, you don't know the specifics of what

:57:12. > :57:14.will be in the next one. I'm in the going to ask you about the specifics

:57:15. > :57:18.of the next manifesto, but let me ask you what you think voters should

:57:19. > :57:22.read into your chancellor and the Prime Minister repewsing to rule out

:57:23. > :57:31.tax rises if the Conservatives do win? I think what we should do as

:57:32. > :57:39.what we have done in prior elections is to wait for the manifesto and all

:57:40. > :57:44.will be there. I understand until the manifesto comes out, people are

:57:45. > :57:48.desperate to look at every nuance of what various people are saying and

:57:49. > :57:53.by and large, it is best to wait for the manifesto to come out. But it is

:57:54. > :57:57.interesting from a voter's point of view that so far given several

:57:58. > :58:06.opportunities both have failed to rule out tax rises? Well, they're

:58:07. > :58:11.both Conservatives and this is something that I shared in common

:58:12. > :58:15.and the Conservative Party is committed to reducing taxation.

:58:16. > :58:23.After all, I think, we have taken vast numbers of people out of paying

:58:24. > :58:26.tax and many people on low pay, I think they are ?1,000 better off

:58:27. > :58:30.through the things that we've done. Which makes it even more interesting

:58:31. > :58:34.that they haven't chosen to rule tax rises out out yet anyway. Let me ask

:58:35. > :58:36.you about something else. The Work and Pensions Secretary said

:58:37. > :58:40.yesterday that a future Conservative Government would block a rise in

:58:41. > :58:44.energy prices which would cut household bills by ?100. Do you

:58:45. > :58:51.think that kind of intervention in the market could lead to power

:58:52. > :58:57.shortages? I think that's unlikely, but I can understand why the

:58:58. > :59:03.Secretary of State is thinking that. Given the various rises that have

:59:04. > :59:09.happened, to use a technical legal term the energy companies have been

:59:10. > :59:15.having a laugh. They have been putting up prices without good

:59:16. > :59:19.reason and I think they deserve what they're going to get. The reason I

:59:20. > :59:23.ask because the then leader of Labour, Ed Miliband, when he said he

:59:24. > :59:29.was going to do something similar you said in response, "Power

:59:30. > :59:37.shortages are now a genuine threat." Well, that was a couple of years

:59:38. > :59:44.ago. I think we hadn't seen the action of the power companies and I

:59:45. > :59:49.think we can be reasonably assured that under the Conservatives that we

:59:50. > :59:53.will be able to deliver a reasonable power bill and we will ensure that

:59:54. > :59:55.power remains. You worbed for Margaret Thatcher and you worked for

:59:56. > :00:01.Theresa May. What are the differences? I didn't work for

:00:02. > :00:07.Margaret Thatcher. I knew Margaret Thatcher. Sorry, I should have said

:00:08. > :00:14.that. Yeah. Yeah, I knew her. It many ways Theresa May reminds quite

:00:15. > :00:19.a bit. I have known Theresa for 20 odd years and there is more than a

:00:20. > :00:26.passing resemblance but Theresa is her own person and just because she

:00:27. > :00:34.is a female Prime Minister perhaps it isn't that healthy to continually

:00:35. > :00:38.compare her to Margaret Thatcher who was by any definition a one off.

:00:39. > :00:42.Right, thank you very much. Thank you for talking to us Eric Pickles.

:00:43. > :00:47.And he is standing down. Let's get the latest

:00:48. > :00:57.weather update with Carol. This morning, we have seen some rain

:00:58. > :01:06.and snow. You can see that we have snow falling in Aberdeenshire. We

:01:07. > :01:13.have snow showers across eastern Scotland into the far north-east of

:01:14. > :01:16.England. More cloud will spread south through the course of the

:01:17. > :01:21.afternoon. The wind will also feature. That will be with us

:01:22. > :01:24.tonight, blowing for the showers across northern Scotland into

:01:25. > :01:27.Northern Ireland, parts of Wales and eastern England. Away from this, it

:01:28. > :01:32.will be a cold night. There will also be frost and the risk of ice on

:01:33. > :01:36.untreated surfaces. But a beautiful start to the day tomorrow in terms

:01:37. > :01:40.of sunshine. Still showers at low levels in the north. Still that

:01:41. > :01:47.bitingly cold northerly wind. Here in there, we could see wintry

:01:48. > :01:51.flurries. If you are exposed to that northerly wind, it will feel much

:01:52. > :01:57.colder than those temperatures are suggesting.

:01:58. > :02:00.Welcome to the programme. Last night's presidential election in

:02:01. > :02:15.France was historic. Voters abandoned the mainstream

:02:16. > :02:19.parties and it was a shock - the result has sent shock waves through

:02:20. > :02:24.the French political system. I mean, it's just a crushing defeat. The

:02:25. > :02:30.whole French political landscape is being redesigned. Also, after seven

:02:31. > :02:33.people were killed in a tram derailment in Croydon last year,

:02:34. > :02:38.four drivers tell this programme they fell asleep while operating

:02:39. > :02:43.trams on that line. How many drivers do you think have fallen asleep in

:02:44. > :02:47.the cabin? Most drivers have at some point in their careers.

:02:48. > :02:50.We will also hear from those who have given up their lives to look

:02:51. > :02:54.after a family member, as campaigners the last social care

:02:55. > :02:58.must be a priority in the election. It's the most isolating situation

:02:59. > :03:02.anyone could find themselves in. And your mother is the one person you

:03:03. > :03:13.should be able to talk to about that. Yes. And... Can't any more.

:03:14. > :03:17.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:03:18. > :03:20.Voters in France have chosen the two candidates who will go

:03:21. > :03:22.through to the final round of the presidential

:03:23. > :03:30.Emmanuel Macron, who is the leader of a brand new political movement,

:03:31. > :03:33.will take on the anti-immigration far right leader Marine Le Pen.

:03:34. > :03:36.It's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had

:03:37. > :03:40.The two frontrunners addressed supporters as the results

:03:41. > :03:52.TRANSLATION: I want to become the president of all the people of

:03:53. > :03:59.France, the president of the Patriots, in the face of the threat

:04:00. > :04:04.from the Nationalists. TRANSLATION: The time has come to get rid of all

:04:05. > :04:06.the arrogant people who wanted to dictate to the population what they

:04:07. > :04:09.should do. I am the candidate for the people.

:04:10. > :04:11.A 21-year-old man's been arrested in Manchester in connection

:04:12. > :04:13.with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer.

:04:14. > :04:18.Mike Samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting

:04:19. > :04:20.intruders who are thought to have struck him with his

:04:21. > :04:26.Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs

:04:27. > :04:28.to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed.

:04:29. > :04:30.Four drivers say they've fallen asleep while operating trams

:04:31. > :04:34.in Croydon, where seven people were killed when a tram derailed

:04:35. > :04:38.An investigation for this programme also found a failure

:04:39. > :04:41.with a safety device, known as "a dead man's handle",

:04:42. > :04:43.that was not reported to the regulator and three

:04:44. > :04:45.incidents of speeding since the crash in November.

:04:46. > :04:48.Tram Operations Ltd, which runs the line,

:04:49. > :04:51.said driver fatigue was monitored and controls were

:04:52. > :04:56.We'll bring you more on that investigation shortly.

:04:57. > :04:59.Jeremy Corbyn is promising to repeal what he calls "vicious"

:05:00. > :05:01.trade union legislation, brought in by the Conservatives,

:05:02. > :05:09.The Labour leader will make the pledge today to trade union

:05:10. > :05:12.members in Scotland, where his party's trying to claw

:05:13. > :05:14.back support after huge losses in the election two years ago.

:05:15. > :05:18.Two men are due to appear in court today, charged in connection

:05:19. > :05:21.with an acid attack at a nightclub in east London on Easter Monday,

:05:22. > :05:23.which left two people blind in one eye.

:05:24. > :05:25.Arthur Collins, who's 24 and the boyfriend

:05:26. > :05:28.of the reality TV star, Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts

:05:29. > :05:30.of wounding with intent and one count of throwing corrosive fluid

:05:31. > :05:37.with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

:05:38. > :05:41.The Government will go to the High Court to try to delay

:05:42. > :05:42.publishing its strategy for tackling air pollution.

:05:43. > :05:45.Today was the deadline for ministers to present their plans,

:05:46. > :05:47.but they claim voting rules mean they can't publish

:05:48. > :05:49.sensitive policies before the general election.

:05:50. > :05:52.Campaigners say they're trying to dodge a difficult issue

:05:53. > :05:53.because of nervousness about increasing tax

:05:54. > :06:03.Tougher punishments for the most serious cases of speeding have come

:06:04. > :06:05.into force in England and Wales today.

:06:06. > :06:09.Drivers can now be fined one and a half times their weekly

:06:10. > :06:15.that means driving over 50 miles an hour in a 30 zone or

:06:16. > :06:21.And a 12-year-old who was trying to drive across the entire breadth

:06:22. > :06:23.of Australia has been picked up by police.

:06:24. > :06:26.The boy was pulled over already 800 miles into his

:06:27. > :06:29.journey in Broken Hill in the New South Wales outback

:06:30. > :06:31.on Saturday after a patrol noticed the car's bumper dragging

:06:32. > :06:37.Police believe he'd planned to keep going all the way to Perth,

:06:38. > :06:53.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:06:54. > :06:59.Do get in touch. Your experiences help inform our conversation. We are

:07:00. > :07:02.hearing from many of you who care full-time for a relative. John

:07:03. > :07:08.tweets, I am in the same situation as the brave carer in your film. My

:07:09. > :07:14.wife is 59 and will need 24 hour care for the rest of her life.

:07:15. > :07:18.Juliette says, my mum can't move, speak or eat. I feed her through a

:07:19. > :07:23.tube in her stomach. She needs 24/7 care. I am an unpaid care and

:07:24. > :07:28.keeping my mum alive and it is very hard. Tony says, I am a full-time

:07:29. > :07:32.carer for my severely disabled partner, with cerebral palsy. She

:07:33. > :07:35.will never get better. I have been doing it for 25 years. Constant

:07:36. > :07:40.interference from the government doesn't help. They should accept

:07:41. > :07:44.that some people will never ever be able to work, so they should stop

:07:45. > :07:48.the harassment. Carers save this country billions. I wouldn't change

:07:49. > :07:52.what I do for the world, but the government could make things easier.

:07:53. > :07:58.We will talk more about carers after 10.30.

:07:59. > :08:09.Almost 40,000 runners completed the London Marathon yesterday. There are

:08:10. > :08:13.always so many inspiring stories, but one has generated huge interest.

:08:14. > :08:19.The pictures of runner David Wyeth being helped over the line by a

:08:20. > :08:23.fellow competitor, Matthew Rees, this clip on the BBC Sport Facebook

:08:24. > :08:28.site alone has been viewed more than 5 million times. David received

:08:29. > :08:33.medical attention after the race. Thankfully, he was OK after a big

:08:34. > :08:38.burger, I am told. This morning, the pair were reunited. He was telling

:08:39. > :08:42.me to go on, but I want to make sure he got to the finish line. I didn't

:08:43. > :08:54.want him to not make the end. I am so grateful. You say that others

:08:55. > :08:57.would have stopped, and I am sure you are right, there may have been

:08:58. > :09:08.others, but you persisted. I told you to go and you still didn't. No

:09:09. > :09:13.worries. Matthew, who helped David, is a member of the Swansea Harriers

:09:14. > :09:16.running club. It was a great day for the South Wales team yesterday.

:09:17. > :09:21.They're one of Josh Griffiths was the first Briton home in a time of

:09:22. > :09:27.two hours, 14 minutes and 49 seconds, in his first marathon. We

:09:28. > :09:35.can speak to him now. Where have you been hiding, Josh? I am in a hotel

:09:36. > :09:41.by Tower Bridge. I was supposed to be going home, but my life has taken

:09:42. > :09:49.a bit of a turn. Let's show you some pictures of the start. Here, you are

:09:50. > :09:52.good ten metres back from the start. When did it start to click during

:09:53. > :10:00.the race that you were running past Olympians and that you had a chance

:10:01. > :10:06.of finishing as the top Briton? Around halfway, before I knew it, I

:10:07. > :10:10.was in that group. And all of a sudden, I was starting to move away

:10:11. > :10:17.from the group. It didn't hit me until the later stages that that was

:10:18. > :10:20.happening. Incredibly, you are self coached, Josh. You are studying a

:10:21. > :10:23.Masters degree at Cardiff Metropolitan. What kind of training

:10:24. > :10:30.had you done before this and what were your best times? I had a coach

:10:31. > :10:35.previously when I was racing on the track, but for the marathon I

:10:36. > :10:42.decided to coach myself. So last month, I did a half marathon in

:10:43. > :10:50.Llanelli, where I ran in 65 minutes. And Matthew Rees from Swansea was

:10:51. > :10:53.also second in that race. Incredible, the fact that you are

:10:54. > :10:59.now going to the World Championships in London in the summer. If that's

:11:00. > :11:03.something you definitely want to do? Most certainly. It was not something

:11:04. > :11:09.I had considered before yesterday, but I can't wait to get started with

:11:10. > :11:14.it. That is what you train for. Incredible. There are rumours that

:11:15. > :11:24.you jumped on the Metropolitan Line and the number 63 bus to Tower Hill.

:11:25. > :11:32.Can you deny those? I got to the start with the masses like the rest!

:11:33. > :11:37.It is crazy. Congratulations. Josh Griffiths, heading to the World

:11:38. > :11:41.Athletics Championships in 2017. We will have more headlines at 10.30.

:11:42. > :11:44.In France, the electorate has given a big two fingers up to

:11:45. > :11:51.For the first time in almost 60 years, neither of the two big

:11:52. > :11:54.parties will be in the final run-off for the presidential

:11:55. > :11:57.Which is basically the equivalent of the Conservatives and Labour

:11:58. > :12:00.The two candidates who are through to the next

:12:01. > :12:07.In one corner is Emmanuel Macron, a former banker, who's seen

:12:08. > :12:09.as a political outsider, having never run an election

:12:10. > :12:12.campaign before - his new party only started a year ago.

:12:13. > :12:16.He says he wants to create a new kind of politics,

:12:17. > :12:18.breaking down the divisions between the traditional

:12:19. > :12:29.He's up against Marine Le Pen - leader of the National Front,

:12:30. > :12:31.who wants to slash immigration, clamp down on free trade, and bring

:12:32. > :12:35.She's the daughter of France's former National Front

:12:36. > :12:43.leader Jean-Marie Le Pen - a convicted racist.

:12:44. > :12:46.Let's speak now to Karin Giannone, who is in Paris for us,

:12:47. > :12:49.tell us about the two candidates who are through to the second

:12:50. > :12:51.round run-off on May 7th, and a little bit more

:12:52. > :13:02.Yes, two extremes, particularly in their vision of Europe that you

:13:03. > :13:06.mentioned. The whole country is trying to come to terms with this

:13:07. > :13:10.completely changed political landscape. As you were mentioning,

:13:11. > :13:14.the two main parties are out of the picture completely and the ruling

:13:15. > :13:20.party, the party of the current president Francois Hollande, only

:13:21. > :13:26.managed 6% Iniesta the's election. Imagine if that were replicated in

:13:27. > :13:31.the UK. Emmanuel Macron, the very young centrist candidate at only 39,

:13:32. > :13:35.is the forward-looking globalist who wants to be in a more federal

:13:36. > :13:39.Europe, against Marine Le Pen, who wants to close France's borders, end

:13:40. > :13:43.immigration and bring in protectionist policies. Some are

:13:44. > :13:49.calling this a referendum for France on Europe because of those wildly

:13:50. > :13:56.opposing views about the European Union. So the next 13 days are going

:13:57. > :13:58.to be a critical time. What does the fact that these two are through to

:13:59. > :14:05.the final round say about French society? You might expect that at a

:14:06. > :14:11.time of heightened terror threat, with the attack here on Thursday

:14:12. > :14:15.near the Champs Elysees -- might have turned France towards a more

:14:16. > :14:18.additional candidate like Francois Fillon, who was running for the

:14:19. > :14:22.centre-right. Some might have seen him becoming more the choice of the

:14:23. > :14:25.people as they looked to someone who could reassure them and provide

:14:26. > :14:30.experience. That hasn't happened. They have gone for Emmanuel Macron,

:14:31. > :14:36.the untested, unelected former minister, and Marine Le Pen. That is

:14:37. > :14:40.really being reflected on right now. Many people I have been speaking to

:14:41. > :14:46.have said there is an anger in French society. There is also hope

:14:47. > :14:49.reflected in the Macron voters. There is this sense that the parties

:14:50. > :14:53.who have been in charge for more than 50 years are not doing what

:14:54. > :14:57.they should be doing, a sense that the elite are in charge and the

:14:58. > :15:02.ordinary people are being ignored, and that is really coming through in

:15:03. > :15:12.this election. And I believe you have someone with you? Yes, let's

:15:13. > :15:15.talk to Ann. We were talking about what you can draw from this result

:15:16. > :15:19.about what is going on in French people's minds. Why do they opt for

:15:20. > :15:22.outsiders when they could have had the reassurance and security of a

:15:23. > :15:28.candidate who has been in politics for decades?

:15:29. > :15:35.French people wake up with a total new political landscape and they

:15:36. > :15:43.have to share between different proposals of very different

:15:44. > :15:55.candidates. We have 2-2 Frances which are divided actually and

:15:56. > :16:04.probably Emmanuel Macron will have to be more passive with this part of

:16:05. > :16:11.France which is very critical, very protesting, which have a lot of

:16:12. > :16:19.anger, rage. You spoke about rage. It's really the term and so the next

:16:20. > :16:26.two weeks will be very interesting to see how the French people, the

:16:27. > :16:30.French voters will adapt with this very new political offer. And the

:16:31. > :16:35.contrast between these two candidates almost seems really a

:16:36. > :16:39.crossroads, people to chose more integration with the EU or a

:16:40. > :16:46.withdrawal from the euro at least, completely. It is a new cliff edge.

:16:47. > :16:52.It will be interesting to British viewers as well. It is interesting

:16:53. > :17:02.because in France we have lost the traditional between left and right.

:17:03. > :17:10.We see Europe or non Europe. An open society or closed society and also

:17:11. > :17:21.with issue as immigration and terrorism also which arrive at the

:17:22. > :17:26.first position because it concerns a lot of French population. Thank you

:17:27. > :17:30.very much. So a real contrast in choice now

:17:31. > :17:33.facing the French people. We have had months of relentless

:17:34. > :17:40.campaigning. We've got two more weeks of it now. Thank you very

:17:41. > :17:45.much. Emmanuel Macron described himself as

:17:46. > :17:49.the patriotic choice for France. TRANSLATION: I want to become the

:17:50. > :17:53.president of the whole people of France, the president of the

:17:54. > :18:02.patriots in the face of the threat represented by nationalists.

:18:03. > :18:07.APPLAUSE The president able to protect, to

:18:08. > :18:13.transform, and to build up. A president who is able to allow those

:18:14. > :18:22.who are willing to create, innovate, start work, to do it faster, more

:18:23. > :18:26.easily. I want to be a president who is going to support and help the

:18:27. > :18:32.more fragile among us, those who have been upset by life and do that

:18:33. > :18:44.through help, school, work, solidarity.

:18:45. > :18:51.Marine Le Pen said a vote for her was for the survival of France.

:18:52. > :18:55.TRANSLATION: Without forgetting he friends overseas that trusted me and

:18:56. > :19:01.I'm proud of the confidence they manifested towards me. The time has

:19:02. > :19:04.come to get rid of the arrogant people who want to dictate to the

:19:05. > :19:13.population what they should do. I am the candidate for the people. And it

:19:14. > :19:16.is an appeal to all the sincere patriots wherever they come,

:19:17. > :19:23.whatever their origin, whatever they voted for in the past round, I

:19:24. > :19:28.invite them all to join us and to abandon old-fashioned quarrels and

:19:29. > :19:32.to concentrate on what is the superior interest of our country.

:19:33. > :19:37.That was really essential. Marine Le Pen.

:19:38. > :19:40.Four drivers have admitted falling asleep while operating trams

:19:41. > :19:42.in Croydon, where seven people were killed after a tram

:19:43. > :19:47.Drivers have told this programme a safety device,

:19:48. > :19:49.known as "a dead man's handle", failed to activate

:19:50. > :20:02.Ed Thomas has the story. What have drivers been telling you. The

:20:03. > :20:06.drivers come forward to say first of all, they are falling asleep in the

:20:07. > :20:09.cab in charge of a tram and secondly, that they're concerned

:20:10. > :20:14.over this driver safety device. Victoria, it is difficult to have

:20:15. > :20:17.sympathy for these drivers, but they say, if they're to go to the

:20:18. > :20:23.company, they are in fear of being sacked. Now, the people who operate

:20:24. > :20:27.this tram line, they say driver fatigue is monitored and that these

:20:28. > :20:31.safety devices are fully functional, but this is the story of those

:20:32. > :20:32.drivers and the families of those who died who still want to know what

:20:33. > :20:36.happened. Here, seven people were

:20:37. > :20:46.killed, over 50 injured. For the first time, we hear

:20:47. > :20:53.from drivers who have fallen asleep on duty,

:20:54. > :20:55.their fears over the We reveal the trams still going too

:20:56. > :21:06.fast, and five months on, Yeah, it's happened

:21:07. > :21:16.to me once in ten years. This Croydon tram driver

:21:17. > :21:18.would only speak to us if we protected his identity

:21:19. > :21:20.and changed his voice. How many drivers do you think have

:21:21. > :21:25.fallen asleep in the cab? I would say that most drivers have

:21:26. > :21:31.at some point in their careers. He is admitting what many

:21:32. > :21:33.would consider gross It is called the traction

:21:34. > :21:40.brake controller, or TBC, the driving lever that

:21:41. > :21:43.powers the train. Inside, the safety device known

:21:44. > :21:46.as the dead man's handle. This driver says when he fell

:21:47. > :21:48.asleep, it did not work. That was enough to keep the dead

:21:49. > :22:02.man's handle from being activated. Why aren't drivers telling

:22:03. > :22:06.the operators what is going on? If we were to come forward and say,

:22:07. > :22:09."Excuse me, I fell asleep", But we're talking about

:22:10. > :22:14.people's lives, here. The most important people

:22:15. > :22:17.are the passengers. Four drivers have told the BBC

:22:18. > :22:32.they have fallen asleep in the cab. I woke up about ten metres

:22:33. > :22:34.after the tram stop. After 16 years,

:22:35. > :22:37.he retired last year. In 2005, his tram rolled

:22:38. > :22:41.through George Street. A person was very fortunate

:22:42. > :22:48.I did not run them over. No, there wasn't any

:22:49. > :22:54.emergency braking. As we were advised that

:22:55. > :23:01.it should have done. We have been told of three other

:23:02. > :23:04.incidents where drivers are believed One was a collision

:23:05. > :23:10.with buffers at Elmers End. Another was a tram driver

:23:11. > :23:12.here at Morden Road, spotted sleeping in a moving tram

:23:13. > :23:17.by ticket inspectors, who had Drivers asked us to watch

:23:18. > :23:31.the footage again. A tram driver who

:23:32. > :23:33.appears to be asleep. There's no alarm,

:23:34. > :23:40.no emergency brakes. Had that been in another

:23:41. > :23:47.location, that could have The alarm should be sounding

:23:48. > :23:51.at the tram should be stopping. That is what the video should be

:23:52. > :23:54.depicting, but it's not. Transport for London

:23:55. > :23:57.is responsible for the line. We asked why the dead man's handle

:23:58. > :24:01.in this video didn't activate. I think you will see

:24:02. > :24:05.that he is in and out He's coming to and starting to doze

:24:06. > :24:13.and coming to and starting to doze. Why was there no alarm?

:24:14. > :24:15.Why was there no braking? Well, because, if he were to

:24:16. > :24:17.completely pass out, if he were to completely lose

:24:18. > :24:21.consciousness, then But it's OK just to slightly doze

:24:22. > :24:26.in a tab like we saw in the clip? The company who operates the trams

:24:27. > :24:32.for TfL, Tram Operations Limited, says driver fatigue is monitored

:24:33. > :24:39.and on the driver safety device, says it is satisfied the controls

:24:40. > :24:44.are fully functional. It is important to consider

:24:45. > :24:49.what these driver safety Designed in part if a driver

:24:50. > :24:53.collapses after a heart attack. But we have found this guidance

:24:54. > :24:56.on the regulator's website, It says, "The DSD should be designed

:24:57. > :25:02.so that it cannot be kept in the operating position other

:25:03. > :25:09.than by a vigilant tram driver". Drivers have also told us

:25:10. > :25:14.about specific faults We have obtained this

:25:15. > :25:17.video of an empty tram, We understand this is an extreme

:25:18. > :25:22.setting and TfL has now rectified The spring was obviously

:25:23. > :25:29.broken in the DSD. This former driver didn't

:25:30. > :25:35.want to be identified. He claims the alarm on the driver

:25:36. > :25:37.safety device first delayed, then completely failed,

:25:38. > :25:39.in May 2016. The engineering department knew

:25:40. > :25:48.about it and they said they were aware of it but it's

:25:49. > :25:51.completely safe to carry on. I had to raise my voice over

:25:52. > :25:56.the recorded radio system and say to them if I had a heart attack

:25:57. > :26:00.or became unconscious, this tram will go through the buffers

:26:01. > :26:01.at Beckenham Junction at 50 Only when I said that,

:26:02. > :26:07.they said, "Take it out This man said other

:26:08. > :26:13.drivers were also aware. Some drivers found it worrying

:26:14. > :26:16.but they found it amusing in a way, that you could drive

:26:17. > :26:18.without using your hands. We have also discovered

:26:19. > :26:21.that the safety regulator wasn't The Office of Rail and Road told us

:26:22. > :26:27.all DSD failures should They should have pulled the entire

:26:28. > :26:32.fleet in and tested every single In a statement, the operators,

:26:33. > :26:38.Tram Operations Limited, said there was not a full failure

:26:39. > :26:43.of the driver safety device. Passengers were not at risk

:26:44. > :26:46.and the tram was examined and the fault was rectified

:26:47. > :26:49.the next day. Transport for London

:26:50. > :26:52.said despite that fault, We can also reveal at least three

:26:53. > :27:07.trams have been recorded speeding One was travelling at 65 kilometres

:27:08. > :27:11.per hour in a 40 zone. Another was speeding close

:27:12. > :27:15.to the disaster site itself. The operator told us it had

:27:16. > :27:21.increased speed checks All we know is that this tram

:27:22. > :27:28.was speeding at 43.5. And still waiting for answers,

:27:29. > :27:31.the families of those who died, people like this lady,

:27:32. > :27:35.who lost her husband, Phil. Everyone that was on that tram that

:27:36. > :27:55.day, it's changed their lives. The others who have managed to walk

:27:56. > :28:01.away are living nightmares. Investigators are trying

:28:02. > :28:10.to answer that question, to piece together a disaster that

:28:11. > :28:25.changed so many lives. Astonishing regarding the equipment.

:28:26. > :28:28.As a passenger you just want the alarm to activate. You want the

:28:29. > :28:33.handle to work, don't you? That's why it is difficult to have that

:28:34. > :28:37.sympathy for drivers who say they're falling asleep and the wife of

:28:38. > :28:43.somebody who died at Sandilands, she speaks for many, when she says, "I

:28:44. > :28:47.just want to know." Drivers say take a look at this driver's safety

:28:48. > :28:50.device. It is not working on some occasions when we are in the trams,

:28:51. > :28:54.but the operators are saying it is fit for purpose. It is tested. There

:28:55. > :28:57.is not a problem. The tram drivers should not be falling asleep. Thank

:28:58. > :29:00.you very much, Ed. Ed Thomas reporting.

:29:01. > :29:05.If you're watching on BBC Two, in a moment you'll be able to watch

:29:06. > :29:08.To continue watching our programme turn over

:29:09. > :29:10.to the BBC News Channel - where coming up in

:29:11. > :29:27.As a campaign calls for making social care a priority in this

:29:28. > :29:30.Our top story today - the leader of a brand new French

:29:31. > :29:32.political movement will take on the anti-immigration far right

:29:33. > :29:34.leader Marine Le Pen in the second round of

:29:35. > :29:37.Emmanuel Macron came first in the vote yesterday.

:29:38. > :29:39.He launched his own centrist movement a year ago, taking

:29:40. > :29:44.It's the first time in six decades the mainstream parties have not had

:29:45. > :29:47.We can speak now to two French voters.

:29:48. > :29:51.We have Davy Rodriguez, a Marine Le Pen supporter.

:29:52. > :29:59.And Margaux Pech, an Emmanuel Macron supporter.

:30:00. > :30:06.For our British audience, Margaux, I wonder if you could expect why you

:30:07. > :30:15.think Monsieur Macron would be right for France? Oh, yes. Emmanuel Macron

:30:16. > :30:22.is my candidate and I think last night, we chose the renewal of

:30:23. > :30:32.ideas, of people and a way of doing politics. I think he has a vision

:30:33. > :30:37.and with his project, we are going to rebuild Europe. This is really

:30:38. > :30:41.important to us and it is important for your British citizens to

:30:42. > :30:46.understand that we want to be a leader in Europe and rebuild this

:30:47. > :30:55.project, because Europe has been on hold for ten years now. This is one

:30:56. > :31:01.of the biggest objectives. Davy, Marine Le Pen is offering the

:31:02. > :31:04.complete opposite. She wants a referendum an in-out referendum on

:31:05. > :31:09.whether France should continue as a member of the European Union, like

:31:10. > :31:12.we had in Britain. She wants out of the euro and she wants to close the

:31:13. > :31:15.borders, the polar opposite of what Monsieur Macron is offering. Why do

:31:16. > :31:22.you say Marine Le Pen should be the next president? That is totally

:31:23. > :31:28.true. We have to different models of what France could be in a few years.

:31:29. > :31:41.I think Marine Le Pen is now leading the way to a Frexit in order to have

:31:42. > :31:52.our own democracy. That is why we are defending two different ideas.

:31:53. > :31:56.From one side, we have the idea of Emmanuel Macron and on the other

:31:57. > :32:01.hand you have Marine Le Pen with real renewal. The renewal is not

:32:02. > :32:05.only about people, it is about ideas, and the ideas of Emmanuel

:32:06. > :32:08.Macron are the same as Francois Hollande, Francois Fillon and the

:32:09. > :32:20.other politics in France for 40 years. Margaux, how divided would

:32:21. > :32:24.you say French people are? I think, yeah, we have some division now in

:32:25. > :32:29.France about Europe, for example. But the thing is that Emmanuel

:32:30. > :32:39.Macron wants to bring this country together with a new way through this

:32:40. > :32:42.century into this open world. Now we see with this election that it is

:32:43. > :32:50.the end of traditional parties both on the left and right sides. So now

:32:51. > :32:54.we want to bring new faces to politics. That is what Emmanuel

:32:55. > :33:07.Macron is doing. I think we have a real vision to bring France to be a

:33:08. > :33:13.leader in our world. So I think with this campaign, focused on education

:33:14. > :33:25.and rebuilding Europe, we can bring together French people. We had some

:33:26. > :33:30.attacks on Emmanuel Macron and people are not realising that his

:33:31. > :33:35.project is the right one. We saw this last night, because he came

:33:36. > :33:46.first in the first round of this presidency. And Davy, what chance

:33:47. > :33:55.does Marine Le Pen have of becoming president in reality? My opinion is

:33:56. > :34:08.that she has a chance of winning this election. The voters who elect

:34:09. > :34:14.people, for example, the voters of Francois Fillon want a cultural

:34:15. > :34:17.division. They want to defend our cultural civilisation and a lot of

:34:18. > :34:21.them are in favour of limiting immigration. Then you have the

:34:22. > :34:29.voters of Jean-Luc Melenchon, who also want to defend our tensions and

:34:30. > :34:32.economy -- they want to defend our pensions. Maybe voters from both

:34:33. > :34:38.sides will vote for Marine Le Pen. Here, we are defending ideas. We are

:34:39. > :34:47.not only changing faces, we are changing the model.

:34:48. > :34:49.With the rest of the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:34:50. > :34:51.A 21-year-old man's been arrested in Manchester in connection

:34:52. > :34:54.with the murder of a former Royal Navy officer.

:34:55. > :34:56.Mike Samwell, who was 35, died yesterday after confronting

:34:57. > :34:58.intruders who are thought to have struck him with his

:34:59. > :35:02.Mr Samwell was asleep with his wife and had gone downstairs

:35:03. > :35:09.to investigate loud noises when it's believed he was killed.

:35:10. > :35:14.Detective Superintendent John Chadwick is from Manchester police.

:35:15. > :35:20.This could have happened to anybody. You hear a noise downstairs and you

:35:21. > :35:23.go and see what it is. It is incredibly tragic. Any information,

:35:24. > :35:33.we need to hear it. Two men are due to appear in court

:35:34. > :35:36.today, charged in connection with an acid attack at a nightclub

:35:37. > :35:39.in east London on Easter Monday, which left two people

:35:40. > :35:41.blind in one eye. Arthur Collins, who's

:35:42. > :35:43.24 and the boyfriend of the reality TV star,

:35:44. > :35:45.Ferne McCann, is facing 14 counts of wounding with intent and one

:35:46. > :35:48.count of throwing corrosive fluid with intent to cause

:35:49. > :35:50.grievous bodily harm. The Government will go

:35:51. > :35:53.to the High Court to try to delay publishing its strategy

:35:54. > :35:54.for tackling air pollution. Today was the deadline for ministers

:35:55. > :35:57.to present their plans, but they claim voting rules mean

:35:58. > :35:59.they can't publish sensitive policies before

:36:00. > :36:00.the general election. Campaigners say they're trying

:36:01. > :36:02.to dodge a difficult issue because of nervousness

:36:03. > :36:04.about increasing tax Tougher punishments for the most

:36:05. > :36:07.serious cases of speeding have come into force in England

:36:08. > :36:09.and Wales today. Drivers can now be fined one

:36:10. > :36:13.and a half times their weekly that means driving over 50 miles

:36:14. > :36:19.an hour in a 30 zone or That's a summary of the latest

:36:20. > :36:24.news, join me for BBC Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey

:36:25. > :36:33.says his team want to win the FA Cup for Arsene Wenger,

:36:34. > :36:35.who's out of contract It'll be an all London final

:36:36. > :36:39.between Arsenal and Chelsea They did it the hard way,

:36:40. > :36:43.coming from behind to take the tie into extra time before

:36:44. > :36:46.Alexis Sanchez scrambled in a winner N'Golo Kante has won

:36:47. > :36:49.the Professional Footballers' Association Player

:36:50. > :36:54.of the Year award. Tottenham's Dele Alli won

:36:55. > :36:56.the young player prize 500 goals now for Lionel Messi

:36:57. > :37:04.in a Barcelona shirt. His side blew the La Liga title race

:37:05. > :37:07.wide open with a dramatic 3-2 victory in El Clasico at Real

:37:08. > :37:09.Madrid. Messi scored the winner with 12

:37:10. > :37:12.seconds of stoppage time remaining And a club runner

:37:13. > :37:14.with Swansea Harriers stunned Britain's elite men

:37:15. > :37:16.at the London Marathon to qualify for the 2017

:37:17. > :37:20.World Championships in London. Josh Griffiths, who's 23,

:37:21. > :37:23.finished in two hours, 14 minutes amd 49 seconds

:37:24. > :37:41.on his marathon debut. More sport on the BBC News Channel

:37:42. > :37:50.throughout the afternoon. He is a Conservative MP who tried to

:37:51. > :37:53.derail legislation to protect women against violence. She is the leader

:37:54. > :37:57.of a new party which campaigns on gender equality. Now they are going

:37:58. > :38:00.head to head in the general election. Sophie Walker says she

:38:01. > :38:05.will stand against Philip Davies in his seat of Shipley. What is it

:38:06. > :38:10.about this man that makes you cross enough to stand against him?

:38:11. > :38:16.I am standing for election in Shipley because I want to protect

:38:17. > :38:20.jobs and pensions. But what is it about Philip Davies that means you

:38:21. > :38:24.have gone to Shipley? Philip Davies has made the privilege of a local

:38:25. > :38:31.MP's job into his own personal national platform to espouse

:38:32. > :38:38.anti-women views. I am running in Shipley because there are a lot of

:38:39. > :38:41.people in Shipley who are fed up with that job being used to do that

:38:42. > :38:45.instead of the work for opportunities for all of the

:38:46. > :38:48.constituents. I want to work for everybody and I want to balance the

:38:49. > :38:54.way we do that. We are not just investing in physical infrastructure

:38:55. > :38:55.like roads and bridges, but we are also investing in social

:38:56. > :39:04.infrastructure jobs. Are you abusing the privilege

:39:05. > :39:06.of being a constituency MP No, well, I've challenged Sophie

:39:07. > :39:12.on a number of occasions to give one quote -

:39:13. > :39:15.I've been an MP for 12 years - one quote from anything I've said

:39:16. > :39:18.publicly, it's all on the record, where I've asked for women to be

:39:19. > :39:21.treated less favourably than men. Let's give Sophie Walker

:39:22. > :39:25.the opportunity. Well, setting aside the fact that

:39:26. > :39:27.Philip consistently frames feminists as extremists rather

:39:28. > :39:29.than campaigners for justice, you have to look at his actions,

:39:30. > :39:32.which are that he attempted to talk out a bill to protect

:39:33. > :39:34.survivors of violence. He took time out of his constituency

:39:35. > :39:39.work to give a speech to a conference organised

:39:40. > :39:44.by an outfit called Justice For Men And Boys,

:39:45. > :39:46.whose website promotes articles like one entitled 13

:39:47. > :39:50.Reasons Women Lie About Rape. He also talked down a bill

:39:51. > :39:52.which would have provided free He has written to the Equality

:39:53. > :40:00.and Human Rights Commission, asking why it is offensive

:40:01. > :40:03.for people to wear blackface. So it is your actions

:40:04. > :40:06.that Sophie is... Well, at least we've clarified it's

:40:07. > :40:09.nothing I've actually said that has ever asked for women to be treated

:40:10. > :40:12.less favourably than men. All I have ever asked for,

:40:13. > :40:14.the speeches that Sophie has taken great exception to,

:40:15. > :40:17.were ones where I have actually asked that men and women

:40:18. > :40:19.are treated exactly the same. That if you go before the court,

:40:20. > :40:22.your gender should be irrelevant. Men and women should

:40:23. > :40:24.be treated the same. But you did campaign

:40:25. > :40:26.against the Combating Yes, exactly, and on the basis that

:40:27. > :40:33.I thought the bill should apply equally to male and female

:40:34. > :40:35.victims of violence. OK, is that not fair enough,

:40:36. > :40:37.the bill should apply There is a very specific clause

:40:38. > :40:41.in that bill that recognises that men and women experience violence

:40:42. > :40:43.against them differently, It actually makes provision for

:40:44. > :40:46.sufficient funding and protection Now, our party has got very specific

:40:47. > :40:54.policies to protect funding to specialist services,

:40:55. > :40:56.for example, services for men Whereas Philip's party is cutting

:40:57. > :41:02.funding to those very important services and making it less likely

:41:03. > :41:05.that many in those positions will I would have much more support

:41:06. > :41:10.and understanding for what Philip is saying if he could back it up

:41:11. > :41:15.with positive examples of positive, constructive legislation

:41:16. > :41:16.that he has presented, rather than this very

:41:17. > :41:18.negative demolishment Well, I mean, the clue

:41:19. > :41:26.was in the bill. It was combating

:41:27. > :41:29.violence against women. It's no good trying to rewrite

:41:30. > :41:32.history and say that this bill It was called the Combating

:41:33. > :41:38.Violence Aginst Women Bill. My view was, and I made it perfectly

:41:39. > :41:41.clear that I would have happily supported the bill if it applied

:41:42. > :41:44.to men and women equally, if you are a victim of crime,

:41:45. > :41:47.it should not matter Why didn't you introduce the

:41:48. > :41:50.Combating Violence Against Men Bill, Well, it is Private Members'

:41:51. > :41:54.Bills, done by ballot. You can't just come along

:41:55. > :41:56.with your Private Members' Bill. In my speech on the bill, I said,

:41:57. > :42:03.let's bring forward a bill, we could have amended the bill

:42:04. > :42:05.to say, let's have it And so, surely the Women's Equality

:42:06. > :42:09.Party, if they believe in equality, should be supporting my stance

:42:10. > :42:12.on saying that we should treat But the outcome of your actions

:42:13. > :42:16.means that you ended up campaigning against a bill

:42:17. > :42:18.which would protect women. Well, it was not going

:42:19. > :42:20.to protect any women. It will not do one thing

:42:21. > :42:25.to protect a woman. I've argued that what we should do

:42:26. > :42:28.is actually have the men who commit domestic violence serve the whole

:42:29. > :42:31.sentence they are given in prison, not let them out halfway through

:42:32. > :42:34.even if they are still a danger. That would be much more useful

:42:35. > :42:37.to victims of violence, and let me One thing I campaign

:42:38. > :42:40.on and I helped Baroness Cox, who is a crossbench human rights

:42:41. > :42:43.peer, about sharia councils, which I went to a meeting that

:42:44. > :42:47.Baroness Cox organised where three very brave women actually

:42:48. > :42:49.gave their testimonies as to how badly they have been

:42:50. > :42:51.treated at sharia councils. I campaigned to end

:42:52. > :42:53.sharia councils... The Women's Equality Party have

:42:54. > :42:58.nothing to say on sharia councils. These are actions that would suggest

:42:59. > :43:02.that Philip Davies is not OK, so on sharia specifically,

:43:03. > :43:06.we have been very clear at the Women's Equality Party

:43:07. > :43:08.that we think there is one form of law in Britain,

:43:09. > :43:11.and that is British law. Sure, but I'm asking

:43:12. > :43:13.you about his actions when it comes But I think it is contradictory

:43:14. > :43:22.to say that you are supporting the discriminatory, rather,

:43:23. > :43:24.you're combating the discriminatory actions of sharia councils and yet

:43:25. > :43:26.voting against a law, the bill we have been talking about,

:43:27. > :43:29.which has specific provisions in it to provide for survivors

:43:30. > :43:31.of honour-based violence So on the one hand, he is saying one

:43:32. > :43:36.thing, and on the other, That bill was only about

:43:37. > :43:43.one particular gender. Clause 2.2 specifically referred

:43:44. > :43:45.to the different kinds of violence. It was called the Combating

:43:46. > :43:47.Violence Against Women Bill. If what you wanted to do

:43:48. > :43:51.was change the title, then why didn't you just

:43:52. > :43:53.focus on that? I did try and focus on that,

:43:54. > :43:56.but no one was interested All of these things should apply

:43:57. > :44:00.equally to men and women. That is all I have ever argued for,

:44:01. > :44:03.whether it is sharia councils, which discriminate against women,

:44:04. > :44:05.or this legislation, I will campaign for equality,

:44:06. > :44:10.irrespective of people's gender. It depends on what you

:44:11. > :44:15.mean by a feminist. If feminism is about gender

:44:16. > :44:21.equality, then yes, I would support feminism but what my point is,

:44:22. > :44:24.that what we are getting with feminism at the moment

:44:25. > :44:27.is that they want to campaign on areas where women

:44:28. > :44:29.are disadvantaged, perfectly reasonably, and I will support

:44:30. > :44:31.them in that. But they don't want to say anything

:44:32. > :44:34.where men are disadvantaged and as far as I'm concerned,

:44:35. > :44:36.we should be equally If the definition is that it's about

:44:37. > :44:41.gender equality, then yes I am. Well, it's about the advocacy

:44:42. > :44:47.of women's rights. Well, if it's about equality,

:44:48. > :44:49.I'm interested in equality. That's what I think, that men

:44:50. > :44:52.and women should be treated... The advocacy of women's

:44:53. > :44:54.rights on the grounds Yes, I agree with the

:44:55. > :44:57.quality of the sexes. Well, on that definition,

:44:58. > :45:01.yes, of course I am. I'm delighted that 24 hours

:45:02. > :45:04.after I entered this race, Philip Davies is declaring

:45:05. > :45:06.himself a feminist. And you'll be able to find a full

:45:07. > :45:10.list of the candidates standing in Shipley on the BBC website once

:45:11. > :45:14.the other parties have announced. Police in Manchester have arrested

:45:15. > :45:17.a 21-year-old man in connection with the murder of a former

:45:18. > :45:20.Royal Navy officer at his home We can speak to correspondent

:45:21. > :45:24.Dave Guest, who is there. Tell us what you know

:45:25. > :45:39.about happened to Mike Samwell. Well, it was the early hours of

:45:40. > :45:43.yesterday morning that Mike, who was 35, awoke to a loud banging noise.

:45:44. > :45:48.He went to investigate and a short time later he was found with severe

:45:49. > :45:52.injuries in this parking area beyond the tapes down there. Now, it

:45:53. > :45:57.appears that someone had been attempting to steal his Audi car and

:45:58. > :46:02.had run over him in that car causing him serious injuries from which he

:46:03. > :46:07.sadly died. Now, of course, this is a quiet residential street. It was

:46:08. > :46:10.the early hours of the morning. It is everybody's worst nightmare what

:46:11. > :46:14.happened to this man and his family are in a deep state of shock. And

:46:15. > :46:19.that's the reaction of people who live locally as well? That's right,

:46:20. > :46:23.yes. Yesterday around 50 people took part in a vigil. They walked from a

:46:24. > :46:27.local church and came to the street here and laid flowers with messages

:46:28. > :46:31.of sympathy for Mike and his family at the corner of the road here.

:46:32. > :46:37.People have been shocked by what's happened. This is a cliche to say,

:46:38. > :46:44.it is a quiet residential area. It is a reasonably well healed area.

:46:45. > :46:47.The black Audi was found in a street not far from here, it has been the

:46:48. > :46:51.subject of forensic investigation as has the parking area behind the

:46:52. > :46:57.house where Mike lived. Police have described this, I think, as more

:46:58. > :47:01.than criminal? Yes, yesterday they were really trying to appeal to the

:47:02. > :47:04.criminal fraternity to say look there is a line that's been crossed

:47:05. > :47:08.here. A man woken from his bed, in the early hours of the morning, goes

:47:09. > :47:11.downstairs as anybody might do to see what is happening and ends up

:47:12. > :47:15.dead in the most terrible of circumstances. The police officer in

:47:16. > :47:19.charge of this case has said that basically the advice to people is if

:47:20. > :47:22.you hear a noise downstairs, you shouldn't really go and investigate,

:47:23. > :47:25.you should stay upstairs and barricade yourself into your bedroom

:47:26. > :47:28.and dial 999, but the investigating officer said he could understand why

:47:29. > :47:34.somebody like Mike would want to go and investigate halfs going on.

:47:35. > :47:38.Mike, as we say, a retired naval officer who was working for a

:47:39. > :47:42.company, an engineering company in Warrington and his colleagues there

:47:43. > :47:45.are shocked. The police investigation into this crime is

:47:46. > :47:47.still very much on going. The 21-year-old man arrested on

:47:48. > :47:51.suspicion of murder continuing to be questioned this morning. Dave Guest,

:47:52. > :47:54.reporting live from Manchester, thank you.

:47:55. > :47:56.Several charities have told this programme they want social care

:47:57. > :47:59.to be a top election issue over the next few weeks.

:48:00. > :48:03.This morning we've been hearing from those of you who care full

:48:04. > :48:17.Rory says he has been a full-time carer for the last 20 years.

:48:18. > :48:22., "My day consists of her caring for her 24/7. I don't go out. I haven't

:48:23. > :48:27.had a holiday in decades. I have no life of my own. I'm 48 years of

:48:28. > :48:31.abling and I spend every spare minute sitting obthe sofa looking

:48:32. > :48:35.out of the window watching the world go by. I'm wishing I would die

:48:36. > :48:38.quickly instead of this long drawn out death of boredom and

:48:39. > :48:43.loneliness." Heather says, "I care for my mum.

:48:44. > :48:45.I'm permanently tired. I have low self esteem. I have lost friends and

:48:46. > :48:49.a relationship is out of the question. I have realised that I

:48:50. > :48:54.cannot go on as I'm becoming ill. I don't eat. I can't sleep. I've done

:48:55. > :48:59.this for five years with no thanks and a whole load of stress. Someone

:49:00. > :49:04.else can have a go rather than criticise me." Dave, "I did this job

:49:05. > :49:07.for my mum for five years. It destroys your life. Even though you

:49:08. > :49:11.try your best to do a job that no one else wants to do. There is no

:49:12. > :49:15.real help out there as the care Stel seems to be broken beyond repair. I

:49:16. > :49:20.really thought it was just me who was going through this. So I started

:49:21. > :49:26.recording and videoing most phone calls and visits. Most phone calls,

:49:27. > :49:31.but I was still alone. I'm trying to get a carer to come and help, trying

:49:32. > :49:33.to get anyone to help you is impossible from adult social

:49:34. > :49:42.services, the NHS, to charities." Our reporter James Longman met

:49:43. > :49:44.Sue Jenkins who's effectively given up her life to care for her mother

:49:45. > :49:48.Patricia, who is 88 and needs She has dementia, is doubly

:49:49. > :49:51.incontinent and uses a wheelchair. We played you the full report

:49:52. > :49:54.earlier - here's a short extract. Let's get mummy changed

:49:55. > :50:20.before she has a She has a lot of changing

:50:21. > :50:27.behaviour, screaming, Yes, she does, and that

:50:28. > :50:32.can't be helped. It's heartbreaking, and it can make

:50:33. > :50:38.you feel useless and that can make you want to run for the hills

:50:39. > :50:41.and just run into the night. But I take care of my

:50:42. > :51:01.mother, and that's it. You know, the person I dearly love

:51:02. > :51:22.and dearly want to talk to about so many things

:51:23. > :51:30.has left me already. And the thought of losing her fills

:51:31. > :51:33.me with complete dread, We can speak to Margaret Dangoor

:51:34. > :51:50.who has been a carer for her husband Eddie who has Alzheimer's

:51:51. > :51:53.for the last ten years. Kate White, whose husband John

:51:54. > :51:55.also has Alzheimer's. She's been his carer since

:51:56. > :51:58.he was diagnosed eight years ago. Rob Burley from the

:51:59. > :52:00.Alzheimer's Society - one the charities calling for social

:52:01. > :52:11.care to be a key issue Welcome all of you. Thank you very

:52:12. > :52:14.much for coming on the programme. Presumably Margaret and Kate you can

:52:15. > :52:18.relate to much of what Sue was saying? Yes, it's heart-rending

:52:19. > :52:23.really to see that sort of situation. It's different for all of

:52:24. > :52:26.us. Every carer is different and every person with dementia is

:52:27. > :52:31.different, but this sort of situation is not unusual. What about

:52:32. > :52:37.you, Kate? Yes, I would agree with Margaret. I think it takes such a

:52:38. > :52:40.toll on people's lives and often they don't know about the kind of

:52:41. > :52:47.support and care that might be there, but what is there is being

:52:48. > :52:51.reduced all the time and I think as Margaret was saying everybody both

:52:52. > :52:54.the person with the condition and their carer are different. So the

:52:55. > :52:58.scenario is some, that we're familiar with, but there are

:52:59. > :53:02.different scenarios as well. Tell us, tell our audience about the

:53:03. > :53:06.impact on you of caring for your husband? Mine is different. I think

:53:07. > :53:11.in comparison with the situation on film. My husband has always been

:53:12. > :53:18.content within his dementia. So... Content? Yes. He has settled into

:53:19. > :53:24.the process if you like comfortably and as long as he is cared for well,

:53:25. > :53:29.and he is in the right surroundings, that makes my caring role a lot

:53:30. > :53:34.easier and also in comparison with the film, we are very fortunate that

:53:35. > :53:38.we have a specialist dementia centre in our locality and he has been

:53:39. > :53:42.going there for many years since 2008. These centres are not

:53:43. > :53:46.fashionable, but for some people, to me, I don't think pedestrian would

:53:47. > :53:50.be alive today, he is in the very advanced stage, if he didn't have

:53:51. > :53:54.the stimulation of going to that seb ter. Other people to mix with and

:53:55. > :54:00.the activities that he's involved with, it really sort of lifts hill

:54:01. > :54:03.up. Yes. Kate, the I will pact on you of looking after your husband? I

:54:04. > :54:09.think I relate to the exhaustion because I think it is a full-on 24/7

:54:10. > :54:15.and there are three eight hour shifts a day. Wow. When you put it

:54:16. > :54:24.like that. Do you mind me asking how old you are? I'm 6. How old is your

:54:25. > :54:28.husband? He's 83. He's not inned advanced stages of Margaret or the

:54:29. > :54:32.person on the film. He's active and he's out and about and doing thicks,

:54:33. > :54:36.but he has to have somebody with him all the tilement he gets very

:54:37. > :54:39.anxious and I see that as his need for attachment and safety that

:54:40. > :54:42.emotionally he needs somebody to help him see where he is in the

:54:43. > :54:50.world because he gets disorientated. Yes. Let me bring in Rob. When Kate

:54:51. > :54:53.puts it like that, it is three eight hour shifts effective by every day?

:54:54. > :54:57.By the end of the next Parliament there will be one million people

:54:58. > :55:00.living with dementia, it is time the next Government steps up to that

:55:01. > :55:05.challenge of the at zileers society is launching a united against

:55:06. > :55:08.Alzheimer's campaign and that's calling for everybody to understand

:55:09. > :55:13.Alzheimer's better and take action to solve the What does that problem.

:55:14. > :55:18.Mean? Fixing a system that isn't working for people with dimecsia.

:55:19. > :55:27.Dementia crisis is a social care crisis. 60% of people use home care

:55:28. > :55:30.Service. What's that? Someone will support someone with dementia and

:55:31. > :55:34.support a carer. Why doesn't everyone get home care if they are

:55:35. > :55:40.looking after a relative with dimecsia? There isn't enough funding

:55:41. > :55:43.in the system and what we heard from Margaret and Kate, there is a

:55:44. > :55:46.postcode Lottery and another challenge we want the next

:55:47. > :55:49.Government to fix is how complex the system is. So having someone to good

:55:50. > :55:52.families and people with dementia through the process would be

:55:53. > :55:55.essential because we were talking in the green room and Margaret and Kate

:55:56. > :55:58.had it teach their carers some of the things about the system because

:55:59. > :56:03.they understand it, but not everyone is in that position. OK. So be

:56:04. > :56:09.really cleared what you want parties to offer. It is more money to pay

:56:10. > :56:13.for home carers to go in, to give respite to peel like Margaret and

:56:14. > :56:17.Kate and Sue on our film and more services like the dementia centre

:56:18. > :56:22.that you referenced Margaret? Better training as well. Only one in three

:56:23. > :56:25.home care workers has any dementia training. Do you have a figure of

:56:26. > :56:30.how much more money political parties should be promising in their

:56:31. > :56:35.manifestos to put into social care? Well, the cost of care for dementia

:56:36. > :56:38.?17 billion is falling on people with dementia themselves. ?17

:56:39. > :56:43.billion a year? That's right. That's falling on carers and their families

:56:44. > :56:50.Exactly right. ?17 million. How have you got to that figure? The cost to

:56:51. > :56:53.the UK is over ?26 billion and ?17 billion falls on people themselves

:56:54. > :56:58.in terms of the care they have to providement if you get a 15 minute

:56:59. > :57:01.care visit a day, the rest of the day, I think, the point about the

:57:02. > :57:07.three eight hour shifts. There is no party going to be suggesting ?17

:57:08. > :57:12.billion a year so, what are you saying? The key thing is better

:57:13. > :57:15.training for staff involved, support through the system, as soon as

:57:16. > :57:18.someone is diagnosed with dementia, being told what the system is and

:57:19. > :57:22.how they can navigate the system. How much would that cost? That's

:57:23. > :57:27.essential. We want to work with whoever is next in power to put

:57:28. > :57:34.people with dementia at the heart of the debate and listen to people like

:57:35. > :57:39.Margaret and Kate and Sue on the film. It is a huge issue, isn't it?

:57:40. > :57:43.Yes. That you have, Rob. Margaret, thank you very much for

:57:44. > :57:44.coming in. We wish you all the best. Kate, thank you very much as well.

:57:45. > :57:47.Thank you very much. Last month 21-year-old James Casling

:57:48. > :57:50.moved so many of you to tears when he told us that football

:57:51. > :57:53.saved his life. Since that interview we've taken him

:57:54. > :58:00.to train with QPR s first team and you can find out how we gets

:58:01. > :58:13.on on the programme tomorrow. I would like to thank the many of

:58:14. > :58:18.you who have got this touch today to tell us that you are a carer. I have

:58:19. > :58:24.read so many of your comments. Let me read this from a viewer, "These

:58:25. > :58:27.carers are real heroes who save the Government billions every year and

:58:28. > :58:30.yet have their own lives turned up side down." Thank you for your

:58:31. > :58:43.company today. We're back tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day.

:58:44. > :58:45.Bold bottom Hello. Good morning to you. Yes, that's a wintry mix and it