03/05/2017

:00:00. > :00:08.Hello. It's Wednesday.

:00:09. > :00:09.It's 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:10. > :00:19.Strong and stable leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strok and

:00:20. > :00:22.stable leadership. Strong and stable leadership. Strong and stable

:00:23. > :00:26.Government. Strong and stable leadership.

:00:27. > :00:32.The general election campaign gets underway today meaning some

:00:33. > :00:36.of you are going to hear plenty more of those mantras over

:00:37. > :00:39.Whilst others may never get to hear them.

:00:40. > :00:43.REPORTER: Are you aware there is a general election in June? No. They

:00:44. > :00:47.will still mess up the country. The political parties are out

:00:48. > :00:56.in full campaigning force The Tories are warning that voters

:00:57. > :01:01.face a tax bombshell if Jeremy Corbyn wins. Labour say that's a lie

:01:02. > :01:02.and pledge to halt Tory moves to downgrade accident and emergency

:01:03. > :01:07.departments. Plenty more coverage

:01:08. > :01:08.throughout the programme. Plus Portuguese Detectives have told

:01:09. > :01:11.the BBC they never believed Madeleine McCann was taken

:01:12. > :01:13.during a burglary which went wrong. It's ten years since

:01:14. > :01:16.the three-year-old disappeared. And claims that rules which limit

:01:17. > :01:19.the amount of time people can spend on bail won't actually

:01:20. > :01:28.make any difference. You feel like you've had a crime

:01:29. > :01:31.done to you by the State and there is no one to answer for it. And no

:01:32. > :01:36.apology. That full exclusive

:01:37. > :01:46.report before 10am. Hello and welcome to the programme.

:01:47. > :01:50.We're live until 11am. Throughout the morning,

:01:51. > :01:52.the latest breaking news A little later, we'll speak to some

:01:53. > :02:01.of the men in this photo. The 14 men all students

:02:02. > :02:05.at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black

:02:06. > :02:16.men can go to Cambridge. They were admitted in 2015 and they

:02:17. > :02:19.say it was hard, but if we did it, you can too.

:02:20. > :02:22.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

:02:23. > :02:25.Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:02:26. > :02:29.The EU will announce their plans for the Brexit talks this morning

:02:30. > :02:32.and there are signs that Brussels may demand a much higher divorce

:02:33. > :02:36.One newspaper reckons we may face demands for as much

:02:37. > :02:39.Countries including France, Germany and Poland are said to have

:02:40. > :02:47.Let's speak to our politics guru, Norman Smith, in Westminster.

:02:48. > :02:54.How far apart are Britain and the EU 27? Well, what we are seeing, it is

:02:55. > :02:59.like when you get two heavyweight boxers at a weigh-in going eyeball

:03:00. > :03:03.to eyeball, there is a lot of muscle flexing and public posturing. We had

:03:04. > :03:07.yesterday Theresa May warning she is going to be a bloody difficult woman

:03:08. > :03:12.and now, we have the EU hitting back with reports that they could demand

:03:13. > :03:19.we pay 100 billion euros to leave the EU. This follows work done by

:03:20. > :03:24.the FT journalist today in which they say the EU Brexit bill could

:03:25. > :03:28.run to 100 billion euros. The French and the Poles are saying we would

:03:29. > :03:32.like Britain to pay some of our farm subsidies into the future. You get a

:03:33. > :03:37.sense that both sides are trying to position each other to try and play

:03:38. > :03:42.tough. In a way, that's for domestic consumption. Theresa May know it is

:03:43. > :03:45.looks good it present herself as a strong leaderment how many times

:03:46. > :03:50.have we heard her going on about that? There is a view that David

:03:51. > :03:55.Cameron got rolled over when he went into the negotiations because he was

:03:56. > :03:59.a bit too amenable and too co-operative and it makes sense to

:04:00. > :04:04.play hard ball. The risk, of course, if Mrs May doesn't live up to the

:04:05. > :04:08.sort of bloody difficult woman language then she'll be seen and

:04:09. > :04:13.accused of having backed down, of having bottled it. So there are

:04:14. > :04:17.risks in this strategy, albeit this morning the Brexit secretary David

:04:18. > :04:23.Davis was adamant we're not going to be paying 100 billion pounds. They

:04:24. > :04:25.have offered ?50 billion, ?60 billion, ?100 billion, we have not

:04:26. > :04:37.been given an official number. REPORTER: We could be paying ?100

:04:38. > :04:42.billion? No, that's not the case. We've come to the end of paying vast

:04:43. > :04:45.sums of money every year to the European Union.

:04:46. > :04:50.David Davis the Brexit secretary. So what are the parties up to today? It

:04:51. > :04:57.is a retro election day today because from the Conservatives we

:04:58. > :05:00.get a tax bombshell dossier. I'm old enough to remember successive

:05:01. > :05:05.elections when the Conservatives have repeatedly produced tax

:05:06. > :05:11.bombshell dossiers, the first person to do it was John Major in 1992,

:05:12. > :05:14.today we get another tax bombshell dossier where Labour have got

:05:15. > :05:20.unfunded spending commitments which will cost the taxpayer ?45 billion.

:05:21. > :05:23.Labour are furious and say it's lies, their word, a lot of these

:05:24. > :05:26.so-called spending commitments are not actually party policy, but they

:05:27. > :05:32.have been having their own sort of retro election today by going back

:05:33. > :05:36.to Labour's favoured theme, namely the NHS, saying they would tear up

:05:37. > :05:42.these plans which hospital trusts have been asked to come up with

:05:43. > :05:47.basically to pair back on money, but which could mean A departments

:05:48. > :05:52.being downgraded and they say they'd rip them up and start over again. We

:05:53. > :05:56.have the Tories going on about the tax bombshell and Labour going on

:05:57. > :06:01.about save our NHS. Kind a retro of election. And just how old are you,

:06:02. > :06:07.Norman, just out of interest? Getting close towards 60! Never!

:06:08. > :06:11.Never! Never! Get out of here. No way! More from Norman through the

:06:12. > :06:20.morning and through the next few weeks as we head to that general

:06:21. > :06:24.election. Joanna is in the newsroom.

:06:25. > :06:27.Political parties are taking to the streets in the last day

:06:28. > :06:29.of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's local elections.

:06:30. > :06:30.Nearly five thousand council seats are up

:06:31. > :06:32.for grabs across England, Wales and Scotland.

:06:33. > :06:34.The poll will give voters a chance to deliver their verdicts

:06:35. > :06:38.on the main parties before the general election next month.

:06:39. > :06:38.There are also eight mayoral elections.

:06:39. > :06:40.Today marks ten years since the disappearance

:06:41. > :06:45.The BBC's Panorama programme has learnt that Portuguese detectives

:06:46. > :06:48.never believed the main British police theory that the toddler was

:06:49. > :06:51.The three-year-old went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da

:06:52. > :06:57.Despite extensive international inquiries, no firm leads have been

:06:58. > :06:59.found and the investigations remain open.

:07:00. > :07:12.Ten years since everything changed here.

:07:13. > :07:15.Ten years since a little girl vanished on a holiday

:07:16. > :07:24.It's unbelievable that nothing, there has been nothing.

:07:25. > :07:30.They haven't found the child, they haven't found anything.

:07:31. > :07:32.Jenny Murat remembers it like it was yesterday.

:07:33. > :07:35.She only lives a few yards from the block

:07:36. > :07:39.Back then she set up a stall outside, appealing for information.

:07:40. > :07:45.She never imagined that the case would still be unsolved a decade on.

:07:46. > :07:47.This comes into my mind every day. Every single day.

:07:48. > :07:51.Everything you look at and you see all around you is...

:07:52. > :07:59.It connects somehow to the fact that a little girl disappeared.

:08:00. > :08:03.This week it has been claimed that on the night Madeleine disappeared

:08:04. > :08:10.a mystery woman was seen outside the family's apartment.

:08:11. > :08:12.Jenny told me she saw this woman who is now reported

:08:13. > :08:18.to be a significant part of the investigation.

:08:19. > :08:23.I noticed her and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide.

:08:24. > :08:26.I do remember that she was wearing a plum coloured top.

:08:27. > :08:28.For the first time, Jenny has also told us

:08:29. > :08:31.about a car she saw that night speeding towards the McCann's

:08:32. > :08:33.apartment, heading the wrong way down a one-way street.

:08:34. > :08:36.It was one of the small cars, like a rental car, the normal

:08:37. > :08:59.We just looked at each other and I think he had a very

:09:00. > :09:05.Ten years of unprecedented publicity.

:09:06. > :09:11.Ten years of appeals, but no answers.

:09:12. > :09:18.It has had a huge impact on my personality...

:09:19. > :09:23.Jenny's son Robert was to be named a suspect in the case.

:09:24. > :09:26.A decade on, his name may have been cleared, but he still cannot

:09:27. > :09:34.The internet is full of theories. I'd like to know the truth.

:09:35. > :09:36.I'd like to know the truth, not theories.

:09:37. > :09:39.I just want to know why that was the case.

:09:40. > :09:41.It didn't only lead to me being destroyed,

:09:42. > :09:43.it led to my whole family being destroyed and affected

:09:44. > :09:48.And you are adamant that you were not there that night?

:09:49. > :09:51.Ten years ago this was just another sleepy village.

:09:52. > :10:01.Now it is the place where Madeleine disappeared.

:10:02. > :10:05.Detectives have been given more time to question three young women

:10:06. > :10:06.arrested on suspicion of terror offences.

:10:07. > :10:09.The women, all teenagers, were detained in East London on Monday.

:10:10. > :10:12.The operation was linked to a raid in north-west London last week,

:10:13. > :10:18.during which another woman was shot and wounded by police.

:10:19. > :10:20.Senior police officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules

:10:21. > :10:23.intended to reduce the amount of time people can be

:10:24. > :10:28.Last month, a new 28-day limit on pre-charge bail was introduced

:10:29. > :10:34.It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months

:10:35. > :10:37.or even years during high profile investigations into historical

:10:38. > :10:43.But this programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic

:10:44. > :10:51.The England footballer Aaron Lennon has been detained under

:10:52. > :10:55.The 30-year-old Premier League star was taken to hospital for assessment

:10:56. > :10:58.amid concerns for his welfare after police found him near the side

:10:59. > :11:10.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

:11:11. > :11:12.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:11:13. > :11:15.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:11:16. > :11:26.After 10am, we will talk to four people who never voted. Actually,

:11:27. > :11:31.that's not true, one thinks he voted once, but he's not sure.

:11:32. > :11:35.In the next half an hour or so, we will tell you more about the 30 or

:11:36. > :11:38.so people we spoke to, eight of whom didn't know there was a general

:11:39. > :11:40.election in five weeks time! Only three would go on camera though.

:11:41. > :11:43.Stay tuned for that. Let's get some sport

:11:44. > :11:47.with Hugh Woozencroft. And we're going to talk

:11:48. > :11:56.about Cristiano Ronaldo. He continues to be

:11:57. > :12:06.so impressive at the very I imagine 2017 he will be favourite

:12:07. > :12:12.to make it five. Last night the former England defender, his old

:12:13. > :12:17.team-mate, Phil Neville likened him to Pele or George Best. He was in

:12:18. > :12:25.imperious form to help Real Madrid take a step towards the Champions

:12:26. > :12:31.League final. They beat their city rivals Atletico Madrid thanks to

:12:32. > :12:34.Ronaldo's 4th hat-trick for the club. They have the chance to become

:12:35. > :12:38.the first back-to-back winners of the Champions League as well and

:12:39. > :12:42.that would be a third title in four years in the competition for them. A

:12:43. > :12:46.huge achievement even for a club with so much success. They are

:12:47. > :12:52.11-time winners and their recent history, all of that success would

:12:53. > :12:59.be underpinned by Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Describe how good he is.

:13:00. > :13:03.Well, for Ronaldo the record books continue to be rewritten. If you

:13:04. > :13:07.talk about footballing records, he just about has all of them to his

:13:08. > :13:11.namement if you want to talk about what his footballing legacy will be,

:13:12. > :13:15.he has taken the game to a new level. Aside from his personal

:13:16. > :13:19.accolades, his time at Manchester United and Real Madrid has been

:13:20. > :13:24.underlined by his professionalism on and off the pitch, his work rate in

:13:25. > :13:28.terms of his physical condition and his dedication to his craft.

:13:29. > :13:31.Portugal, his country, to their first international trophy at the

:13:32. > :13:37.European Championship last summerment if you were to mention

:13:38. > :13:41.like beside Maradona and Pele and his team-mate, he wouldn't be out of

:13:42. > :13:46.place in a list like that. There is a strong case as well to call in him

:13:47. > :13:49.the best player who has ever lived and we can look at his stats. Last

:13:50. > :13:54.night, Cristiano Ronaldo scored that hat-trick. He has back-to-back

:13:55. > :13:58.Champions League hat-tricks in knock-out games. He is the first

:13:59. > :14:01.player to achieve that after his five goals against Bayern Munich, he

:14:02. > :14:09.has eight goals in his last three Champions League games. The Atletico

:14:10. > :14:13.fans won't like the next one, he has scored more goals than their club!

:14:14. > :14:16.Another new benchmark as well, Cristiano Ronaldo has become the

:14:17. > :14:22.first player to move beyond 50 goals in the knock-out stages of Champions

:14:23. > :14:25.League. He is up to 52 and 13 of those came in semifinals. I saw a

:14:26. > :14:32.tweet the other day saying the next time you feel sad remember how lucky

:14:33. > :14:34.you were to be around to see Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi

:14:35. > :14:40.play. We have been blessed over the last decade. Amazing stats. Tennis,

:14:41. > :14:44.there is reason to be optimistic for the former Wimbledon champion. Yes,

:14:45. > :14:48.good news yesterday. A great day for her and fer fans as well. The

:14:49. > :14:51.two-time Wimbledon champion returned to a tennis court following severe

:14:52. > :14:55.injuries that were caused by an attack at her home last year. The

:14:56. > :14:58.27-year-old suffered tendon and nerve damage in her left-hand when

:14:59. > :15:04.she was stabbed by an intruder in December. She posted a picture of

:15:05. > :15:08.practise in Monaco saying, "I hope this picture makes you as happy as

:15:09. > :15:12.it makes me." She was expected to be out for six months, but she said she

:15:13. > :15:16.has a chance at playing at the French Open. That starts at the end

:15:17. > :15:17.of this month the best of luck to her with her recovery. Thank you,

:15:18. > :15:23.Hugh. So it may feel like it's been

:15:24. > :15:26.going on for weeks already - but today's the day the general

:15:27. > :15:28.election campaign From today every seat in the House

:15:29. > :15:32.of Commons becomes up for grabs and MPs revert to being plain

:15:33. > :15:34.old candidates - although government ministers

:15:35. > :15:39.keep their titles and their jobs. So over the next 35 days,

:15:40. > :16:03.how many more moments How much would police officers cost?

:16:04. > :16:08.We think it would be about ?300,000. 10,000 police officers, what are you

:16:09. > :16:24.saying? No, I mean, sorry. How much will they cost? They will... It will

:16:25. > :16:28.cost... About, about ?80 million. Mrs Thatcher, why won't the

:16:29. > :16:32.Argentinian battleship was outside the exclusion zone and actually

:16:33. > :16:38.sailing away from the Falklands, why did you give the orders to sink it?

:16:39. > :16:41.It was not sailing away from the Falklands, it was in an area which

:16:42. > :17:14.was a danger to our ships. As you went away, a microphone

:17:15. > :17:19.picked up saying that was a very bigoted woman. Is that what you

:17:20. > :17:23.said? I apologise if I said anything like that. What I think she was

:17:24. > :17:26.raising about me was an issue about immigration, and saying there were

:17:27. > :17:30.too many people from Eastern Europe in the country. I do apologise if I

:17:31. > :17:34.have said anything that has been hurtful and I will apologise to her

:17:35. > :17:39.personally. Someone has just handed me the tape. You should never have

:17:40. > :17:48.put me with that woman. Whose idea was that? It is just ridiculous. You

:17:49. > :17:51.can support Man Utd, the Windies and Team GB all of the same time. Of

:17:52. > :17:57.course I would rather you supported West Ham. You have said before that

:17:58. > :18:06.the governors to choose. Do you choose West Ham or Villa? I had what

:18:07. > :18:10.Natalie Wood described as a brain fade, I am a Villa fan, I must have

:18:11. > :18:15.been overcome by something this morning. There we are, these things

:18:16. > :18:21.sometimes happen when you are on the stump. I know how long this campaign

:18:22. > :18:25.has been for all of you. But I would urge you, if you've got anything

:18:26. > :18:33.else to do with the next five days, put it off. Until after May the 7th.

:18:34. > :18:40.DIY, Sarah will be around your house to do video wire after May the 7th.

:18:41. > :18:46.Absolutely. Family weddings Sarah will come to your family weddings

:18:47. > :18:50.after the seventh. You are promising 12 Ilion pound cuts to the welfare

:18:51. > :18:54.bill, you have told people about two billion and you went tell voters the

:18:55. > :19:00.details of the rest because? We have gone into some detail, as you said.

:19:01. > :19:04.But the 10 billion, why when you tell voters the rest? Over the last

:19:05. > :19:08.five years we have managed to make savings in the welfare budget. But

:19:09. > :19:12.the 10 billion you haven't explained, why won't you tell voters

:19:13. > :19:18.about that? Because what we have got to do is as we have in the last five

:19:19. > :19:23.years work through making those savings, and I think we have got a

:19:24. > :19:29.track record... OK, is there anyone here who thinks as a voter they are

:19:30. > :19:31.entitled to hear the details? Yes! Well, all of those clips seem like a

:19:32. > :19:35.lifetime ago, don't they? Later this morning, we'll be

:19:36. > :19:37.speaking to a group of people between the ages of 23 and 50 who've

:19:38. > :19:41.never voted - they'll tell us why. Although one thinks he might have

:19:42. > :19:44.done. Now let's speak to Anne

:19:45. > :19:49.McElvoy, Senior editor at The Economist magazine,

:19:50. > :19:51.Guardian columnist and Labour supporter Owen Jones,

:19:52. > :19:53.and Daniel Finkelstein, Times columnist and

:19:54. > :20:02.Conservative peer. Good morning. What sort of campaign

:20:03. > :20:07.are you expecting over the next few weeks? Spectacularly dull one, in

:20:08. > :20:10.live and by the kind of pratfalls that we saw yesterday, with Diane

:20:11. > :20:15.Abbott. Because once you have put a campaign into a very tight framework

:20:16. > :20:17.of time, and it really is a four-week campaign, everyone has to

:20:18. > :20:23.be Abel the time. There hasn't been the long run-up or preparation. So

:20:24. > :20:26.unless you are really on top of your brief, someone will ask you

:20:27. > :20:30.something very awkward. You're very good take there showed how often

:20:31. > :20:34.that happens historically. So I would expect some ups and downs but

:20:35. > :20:37.Theresa May is its -- she is determined to make it a boring

:20:38. > :20:41.campaign because that is what she needs to get onto the terms she

:20:42. > :20:45.wants. She doesn't want any excitements. What would you say,

:20:46. > :20:52.Owen? It was like you've been framed but less entertaining, that. The

:20:53. > :20:55.Tories strategy at the moment is to say nothing about domestic policy,

:20:56. > :21:01.to stick the slogans over and over again, Lynton Crosby clearly is a

:21:02. > :21:04.pro at this. He is the Tory spinmeister general, he did the last

:21:05. > :21:07.general election, and his whole approach is you just stick the key

:21:08. > :21:12.messages on the basis that most voters phase out and so on. It will

:21:13. > :21:15.be interesting to see if voters find that a bit insulting, where you just

:21:16. > :21:18.hammer away at slogans which are quite awkwardly just thrown into

:21:19. > :21:22.answers without focusing on the substance. What do the Tories have

:21:23. > :21:27.to say on the NHS, which the Red Cross said was in a humanitarian

:21:28. > :21:33.crisis earlier this year? Education, public services, tax. The economy

:21:34. > :21:36.first at the moment we don't have answers. Whether you like labour or

:21:37. > :21:38.not, they are setting up policies. Today they are making this point

:21:39. > :21:44.about the latest top-down NHS reorganisation, whereby 35 Accident

:21:45. > :21:47.Emergency departments are in risk of closure or downgrade. They argue

:21:48. > :21:53.they will make a stop to that. Will the Tories respond to the depth of

:21:54. > :21:57.that, the substance, or will it just be Lynton Crosby slogans? What do

:21:58. > :22:02.you think, Daniel, public services are under pressure, education

:22:03. > :22:11.budgets are stretched, and parts of the NHS seem to be in dire straits.

:22:12. > :22:14.I am sure the Conservative campaign will focus on what they want to do,

:22:15. > :22:17.which will be strong and stable leadership, they know that is an

:22:18. > :22:21.issue people with them. Most election campaigns don't convert

:22:22. > :22:25.people. They start with an opinion, Owen has his opinion and I have

:22:26. > :22:29.mine, it is unlikely anyone is going to say will change that. So what you

:22:30. > :22:34.want to try to do is put to the front of people's minds the issues

:22:35. > :22:38.on what they agree with you. So campaigns have to be disciplined in

:22:39. > :22:40.order to achieve that. Obviously you also get the advantage in an

:22:41. > :22:45.election campaign of unscripted moments. Sometimes, we journalists

:22:46. > :22:50.overestimate the impact that makes. In some ways, it would be lucky if

:22:51. > :22:56.people notice them at all, and certainly yesterday there was all

:22:57. > :22:58.that fuss about Diane Abbott. Yes, it was a performance that would have

:22:59. > :23:02.embarrassed her because I can imagine doing something terrible

:23:03. > :23:06.like that myself. In the end people probably didn't notice it that much.

:23:07. > :23:11.The other thing is we don't always know what is a platform at the time

:23:12. > :23:15.and what is a success. Afterwards we frame things, but if you get

:23:16. > :23:21.something like the Neil Kinnock we are all right, that Sheffield rally.

:23:22. > :23:25.I was speaking to a journalist who is a very successful sketch writer

:23:26. > :23:30.at the time, and he got back on the bus, and everyone said, that was

:23:31. > :23:33.great commie was on fire. It was only when you got away from the

:23:34. > :23:36.scene of the crime, if you like, these were the days before mobile

:23:37. > :23:41.phones, everyone got home and said that is awful. Just remind viewers

:23:42. > :23:46.what the problem was with that, because it was 1992. The problem was

:23:47. > :23:50.hubris. We have seen it a little bit in Emmanuel Macron in France going

:23:51. > :23:55.into his election, a rather inexperienced politician, brilliant

:23:56. > :23:59.guy, after the first two rounds of voting, he sounded like he had it in

:24:00. > :24:03.the bag, he had his arms of the air, said this image is that he has

:24:04. > :24:06.scored the goal. But he hasn't, he has just got a very good pass, and

:24:07. > :24:13.that was the problem for Kinnock and needs to be avoided. That was

:24:14. > :24:17.yesterday, with Diane Abbott, but my worry is that most of the press will

:24:18. > :24:20.be scrutinising the opposition, and I think we need to shift the balance

:24:21. > :24:24.a little bit more. Of your sleeve that was a blooper, but we should be

:24:25. > :24:30.debating Labour Party policy yesterday, that is what the media

:24:31. > :24:34.should do. And plenty of media did. But then you have to have it tested

:24:35. > :24:38.and if the figures don't routinely stand-up, whether it is on the NHS

:24:39. > :24:43.or policemen was, then you can't say you're not being fair to us. But

:24:44. > :24:49.they do stack up, that's the point. Miracle maths. That is not fair.

:24:50. > :24:54.Just to give you an example. Just finish briefly that point about

:24:55. > :25:01.policing. I am sitting here with two pro-government voices here. I am not

:25:02. > :25:08.a pro-government voice. Oh, come on. We invited Anna Calvin to be the

:25:09. > :25:15.neutral one. You are pro-labour and we had a pro-Conservative. Luke

:25:16. > :25:19.beautifully neutral, as the BBC are. The proposals on police are to get

:25:20. > :25:22.10,000 more police officers, which would cost 800 million, so they

:25:23. > :25:27.still have a huge amount of money left over, just so we're clear on

:25:28. > :25:31.that. From the promises we have had so far, the clues we have had so

:25:32. > :25:36.far, the extra police officers, the million more homes from Labour, pay

:25:37. > :25:39.rise for NHS staff, from the Conservatives, VAT won't go up,

:25:40. > :25:44.which means national insurance or income tax might, and the promise of

:25:45. > :25:47.this energy price cap. Do those individual policies add up to a

:25:48. > :25:51.coherent vision for the future of Britain for any of you? Grate I

:25:52. > :25:54.think there is going to be a choice, there is away is a choice between a

:25:55. > :25:58.Labour and Conservative government, extension to buy the position that

:25:59. > :26:02.John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn takes. If Labour is elected it will

:26:03. > :26:06.spend more on public services, tax more and borrow more. I think we

:26:07. > :26:11.have been down that path, it wasn't successful, in the end I think poor

:26:12. > :26:16.people end up paying for it. That is one of our fundamental disagreements

:26:17. > :26:20.because you don't. Sometimes at elections can eliminate that, but we

:26:21. > :26:24.don't have a hypothesis, so a tax system that somebody in notes is a

:26:25. > :26:28.particular tax it gets spent on a particular thing. You have to take

:26:29. > :26:31.an overall view on whether you think Labour or the Tories are likely to

:26:32. > :26:37.be able to balance the books was to take the view that Labour has failed

:26:38. > :26:41.at. Is it wise believing any party figures going into elections. To

:26:42. > :26:47.re-establish my impartiality, we have seen this done repeatedly by a

:26:48. > :26:51.run of Conservative governments, that the target is not a target any

:26:52. > :26:54.more, then there is a deficit reduction target, and frankly if we

:26:55. > :26:58.follow this and feel a little bit sceptical about it, and we are a

:26:59. > :27:03.group of people who have to do this for a living, had we think the

:27:04. > :27:06.voters respond to it? The Tories's record is important here because

:27:07. > :27:10.they said they would wipe out the deficit by 2015, didn't get close.

:27:11. > :27:14.They have added more debt than every Labour government put together. Of

:27:15. > :27:18.course, because the deficit is too high. You have said the poor has

:27:19. > :27:21.suffered the consequences, we have suffered the longest squeeze on

:27:22. > :27:25.living standards for a generation. What Labour have to get clear is a

:27:26. > :27:28.vision because it is not about individual policies, most people

:27:29. > :27:32.don't think like that. It is a case of putting money in your pocket,

:27:33. > :27:36.whether it be a ?10 living wage for example. Labour is the borrowing

:27:37. > :27:39.party and it will borrow more. The reason the Conservatives have done

:27:40. > :27:43.that is even with all the pressure the Conservatives have exerted, all

:27:44. > :27:49.of which you have opposed and labour as opposed, the is still too high.

:27:50. > :27:57.There has been no talk about the deficit yet. 2015 everyone was

:27:58. > :28:00.obsessed with it. I think it is important the Conservatives turn to

:28:01. > :28:05.that, because it is an important part of the public debate and if it

:28:06. > :28:09.was that I was an election strategist they can win on it. If

:28:10. > :28:13.you are strong on the economy, and the Conservatives are far ahead on

:28:14. > :28:16.that. You win on economy full stop the deficit between what we bring in

:28:17. > :28:20.and what we spend and that is where we have the shortfall. There are

:28:21. > :28:23.quite a few people not at all in gauge the yet with this general

:28:24. > :28:27.election. In fact there are quite a few people who don't know that a

:28:28. > :28:39.general election is in a few weeks' time. Have a look at this.

:28:40. > :28:41.Are you aware that there's a general election in June?

:28:42. > :28:51.I'm not aware of anything that is going on.

:28:52. > :29:03.Are you aware of who the Prime Minister is? You are 18, will you be

:29:04. > :29:07.voting in the election? I am so against us like that. I think

:29:08. > :29:13.everyone should vote. You have been given that though so you should

:29:14. > :29:16.definitely vote, regardless of what your opinion is. Vote because it is

:29:17. > :29:26.your right to do so first what do you have the say to that? LAUGHTER

:29:27. > :29:31.I would rather not. I am not so interested in politics because what

:29:32. > :29:34.they say is not going to happen. I don't take no noticeable that,

:29:35. > :29:36.because it doesn't matter whatever, they still mess up the country like

:29:37. > :29:47.they have done anyway. Do you feel your vote is important?

:29:48. > :29:50.No. That's what I'm saying, it is rubbish, one takes over and is

:29:51. > :29:56.supposed to be better, nothing is ever better. We actually talk to

:29:57. > :30:00.about 30 people over 90 minutes or so, eight people did not know there

:30:01. > :30:05.was a general election in June, only three would go on camera. It is

:30:06. > :30:09.worth bearing in mind, isn't it, for both journalists and politicians

:30:10. > :30:10.that actually some people have no idea, not that bothered, and turnout

:30:11. > :30:20.might be an issue. This is something that politicians

:30:21. > :30:24.organising election campaigns have to be aware of. You have got a

:30:25. > :30:27.certain amount of people that won't vote anyway and although you want to

:30:28. > :30:30.put your message out, you can't do much about that, but you are

:30:31. > :30:34.interested in the people that are vaguely aware. The lady said she was

:30:35. > :30:38.sometimes aware of who the Prime Minister was! People used to say

:30:39. > :30:42.that doctors had the question if someone had a blow to the head, it

:30:43. > :30:45.gets confusing when you change Prime Ministers, there is a looser

:30:46. > :30:49.national awareness of what is going on at Westminster than maybe there

:30:50. > :30:54.was 20 or 30 years ago. Can we talk about Brexit? Which party is going

:30:55. > :30:58.to be honest with voters and say, "We are going to have to pay a big

:30:59. > :31:02.bill for leaving the European Union. And we are going to end up with a

:31:03. > :31:08.worst trade deal than we have got now with the European Union." I

:31:09. > :31:10.supported remaining in the European Union for those reasons. We have

:31:11. > :31:13.made the decision to leave the European Union so I think the

:31:14. > :31:16.question people have to decide is what is the most coherent way and

:31:17. > :31:20.the strongest way of negotiating with the European Union? At the end

:31:21. > :31:23.of it, because I think this is one of the choices, are we going to

:31:24. > :31:26.leave the European Union anyway or are we going to have to have a

:31:27. > :31:30.second referendum or a Parliamentary decision that we're not going to

:31:31. > :31:34.leave the European Union? That's the debate in the election campaign. I

:31:35. > :31:37.voted Remain and I take the view we made that decision it has to be

:31:38. > :31:44.respected. The Lib Dems offering a referendum on the final deal. Where

:31:45. > :31:47.are you when it comes to Brexit? We have to just implement what the

:31:48. > :31:51.referendum saidment I supported Remain, but the people made their

:31:52. > :31:56.decision. But the issue is on what terms do you leave? My fear is the

:31:57. > :31:59.premise of this election I'm afraid is fraudulent which is Theresa May

:32:00. > :32:03.says this will strengthen a deal if she gets a bigger majority. Other

:32:04. > :32:05.European countries don't care how many seats she has got. They are

:32:06. > :32:09.interested this their own electorate. The critical point is do

:32:10. > :32:14.we end up crashing out of the European Union without any deal? Do

:32:15. > :32:18.we end up as a tax haven and strip away social provision which makes

:32:19. > :32:22.this country great or do we keep the benefits of the single market and

:32:23. > :32:25.the customs union and defend jobs and the economy? That dividing line

:32:26. > :32:31.has to be made clear because I don't think people in this country are

:32:32. > :32:37.aware of the dangers what of Tories will end up doing? If you want to

:32:38. > :32:41.spend money on public services you will spend it whatever deal you get

:32:42. > :32:44.the the problem for Theresa May and you have seen the hostile reaction

:32:45. > :32:50.from Brussels and from other European countries this week is that

:32:51. > :32:54.having done something, which she has to carry out, is not going to be

:32:55. > :32:58.easy. It won't be easy to get the trade deal and it wobt be easy to

:32:59. > :33:03.make trade arrangements so she is going to have to be very, very

:33:04. > :33:11.tough. She is going to get into Thatcher mark two territory and she

:33:12. > :33:15.has to be prepared to be disliked. The FT report suggests the bill

:33:16. > :33:18.could be up to 100 billion euros. Into it is not a bill. We will be

:33:19. > :33:22.paying some of what we will be paying anyway. It is only a part of

:33:23. > :33:27.what we pay into the EU. So the question is how long will the

:33:28. > :33:31.transition period go? In all fronts in terms of the regulations and in

:33:32. > :33:34.terms of how much we pay into the European Union? These are bills that

:33:35. > :33:39.the European Union say are part of the future payment we have committed

:33:40. > :33:42.to. They are a generous estimates. It is like when the builder comes

:33:43. > :33:46.round and you get the estimate and you would like to knock a bit off

:33:47. > :33:49.it. The Government are arguing we can keep the benefits of the

:33:50. > :33:55.European Union and get rid of the bits we don't like and the

:33:56. > :34:00.Government needs... They are arguing when it come to the single market

:34:01. > :34:04.and the customs union. Labour are saying it doesn't want free movement

:34:05. > :34:08.and the benefits of the single market and it has been said. So

:34:09. > :34:12.you're saying, they will accept free movement if it has to? The European

:34:13. > :34:16.Union has made it clear, and that's, if you are going to have an end to

:34:17. > :34:19.free moment of labour, you are aren't going to be allowed to have

:34:20. > :34:22.the benefits of the single market. What the priority is, what the

:34:23. > :34:25.aspiration, what they are aiming for, according to the polling most

:34:26. > :34:36.people want to stay in the single market in this country if possible.

:34:37. > :34:59.Are the next five weeks going to be about this?

:35:00. > :35:06.Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership. Strong. Strong.

:35:07. > :35:10.Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership.

:35:11. > :35:15.It's a rigged system. It's a rigged Stel. Theresa May's coronation, for

:35:16. > :35:19.her coronation. A rigged committee. We've system that's rigged That's

:35:20. > :35:25.the difference. That's the contrast to ensure that we have that strong

:35:26. > :35:29.and stable leadership. Thank you very much for coming on the

:35:30. > :35:32.programme we may talk again in the next few weeks if you come back,

:35:33. > :35:40.thank you. We will be on the road over the next few weeks.

:35:41. > :35:46.Is it about Brexit, schools and the NHS and a bit of Brexit? You will be

:35:47. > :35:49.able to tell us, debate and talk directly to politicians as well

:35:50. > :35:53.before election day itself, we will be in the Scottish Borders, the

:35:54. > :35:57.Welsh valleys and we will kick off things next week in Cornwall. If you

:35:58. > :36:02.live in or know those areas, they are big areas, then get in touch to

:36:03. > :36:04.give us a better sense of what matters to you and your suggestions

:36:05. > :36:12.of where to visit and people to talk to. Do e-mail us.

:36:13. > :36:15.Ten years after her disappearance, Portuguese detectives tell the BBC

:36:16. > :36:21.they never believed the theory that Madeleine McCann was taken

:36:22. > :36:25.We'll be live in Portugal and we'll speak to the man who got

:36:26. > :36:32.And just why did 14 black Cambridge students

:36:33. > :36:40.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:36:41. > :36:44.The Brexit Secretary, David Davis, has rejected suggestions that

:36:45. > :36:47.Britain will be forced to pay up to ?100 million as a final

:36:48. > :36:52.The European Commission's chief negotiator Michel Barnier

:36:53. > :36:56.will publish the EU's Brexit negotiating guidelines this morning

:36:57. > :36:59.after a gathering of European leaders at the weekend.

:37:00. > :37:01.Some reports suggest negotiators have increased the size

:37:02. > :37:03.of the so-called divorce bill which the EU will demand

:37:04. > :37:19.We will see have the speech live in the next ten minutes or after 10am.

:37:20. > :37:23.That's coming up shortly. Labour has dismissed Conservative

:37:24. > :37:25.claims that they're planning a "tax The Shadow Chancellor,

:37:26. > :37:28.John McDonnell, has accused the Conservatives of lying,

:37:29. > :37:30.saying the Labour manifesto But the Tories insist

:37:31. > :37:33.there's a ?45 billion gap between what Labour is promising

:37:34. > :37:35.to spend, and what it Political parties are taking

:37:36. > :37:42.to the streets in the last day of campaigning ahead

:37:43. > :37:44.of tomorrow's local elections. Nearly 5,000 council seats are up

:37:45. > :37:46.for grabs across England, The poll will give voters a chance

:37:47. > :37:51.to deliver their verdicts on the main parties before

:37:52. > :37:55.the general election next month. There are also eight

:37:56. > :37:59.mayoral elections. Today marks ten years

:38:00. > :38:04.since the disappearance The BBC's Panorama programme has

:38:05. > :38:07.learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British

:38:08. > :38:10.police theory that the toddler was She went missing from a holiday

:38:11. > :38:22.apartment in Praia da Despite extensive international

:38:23. > :38:25.inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain

:38:26. > :38:28.open. A former Scotland Yard Commissioner

:38:29. > :38:30.has said continuing the search for Madeleine was the right

:38:31. > :38:32.thing to do. Detectives have been given more time

:38:33. > :38:35.to question three young women arrested on suspicion

:38:36. > :38:36.of terror offences. The women, all teenagers, were

:38:37. > :38:39.detained in East London on Monday. The operation was linked to a raid

:38:40. > :38:42.in north-west London last week, during which another woman was shot

:38:43. > :38:49.and wounded by police. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:38:50. > :38:57.News - more at 10am. James says I'm 47. Me and my

:38:58. > :39:03.girlfriend who is the same abling have never voted. My reasons are, I

:39:04. > :39:07.don't have faith in them. They don't warrant me wasting my time and going

:39:08. > :39:12.to vote. John says, "If certain members of the public are confused

:39:13. > :39:16.by the change in Prime Ministers, they shouldn't be voting." One

:39:17. > :39:18.person knows it is a privilege to vote and the other doesn't care.

:39:19. > :39:27.David says people are not aware there is an election, how could you

:39:28. > :39:31.not know? Mike tweets, "This fascinating vox pops, many not

:39:32. > :39:35.knowing there is an election and who is the PM."

:39:36. > :39:54.Atletico stay on course to win the trophy for a third time this four

:39:55. > :39:57.years. Colin Jackson believes his entire

:39:58. > :39:59.career will be tarnished if proposals to scrap athletics

:40:00. > :40:01.world records set before The European Athletics Taskforce

:40:02. > :40:04.thinks erasing records set from before doping samples

:40:05. > :40:06.were retained, could help World number one Andy Murray says

:40:07. > :40:11.he expects Maria Sharapova to be given wildcard entry into this

:40:12. > :40:16.year's Wimbledon qualifiers. Former champion Sharapova recently

:40:17. > :40:18.returned to competition The Salford Red Devils winger

:40:19. > :40:26.Justin Carney has been banned for eight matches

:40:27. > :40:28.after he admitted to racially He was sent off during their win

:40:29. > :40:31.over Toronto Wolfpack That's all the sport for now. I'll

:40:32. > :40:44.have more after 10am. People kept on police bail

:40:45. > :40:46.for months, or even years, say it left them feeling suicidal

:40:47. > :40:48.and unable to move New rules have changed how long

:40:49. > :40:52.people can be bailed for, Our reporter John Owen

:40:53. > :40:57.has been investigating. I live elsewhere, so that I'm not

:40:58. > :41:16.going to be arrested It has driven me very

:41:17. > :41:31.close to the edge. Either my laptop did or didn't

:41:32. > :41:43.upload images to a Flickr account. Pre-charge bail is a police power

:41:44. > :41:46.that allows a suspect to be released from custody whilst

:41:47. > :41:48.a crime is investigated. With an obligation to return

:41:49. > :41:50.for further questioning, Questions around the length of time

:41:51. > :41:56.that suspects spend on pre-charge bail came to public attention

:41:57. > :41:58.after a string of high-profile investigations into phone hacking

:41:59. > :42:01.and historic sex abuse. The police have some

:42:02. > :42:04.questions to answer. How do you feel about three

:42:05. > :42:06.years of your life wasted Suspects complained that they have

:42:07. > :42:13.been subjected to long periods on police bail,

:42:14. > :42:14.and unnecessarily protracted Although it's only recently made

:42:15. > :42:22.headlines, thousands of people spend Some spend many months on the police

:42:23. > :42:27.scrutiny before even A few weeks ago, new restrictions

:42:28. > :42:31.came into effect designed to reduce the length of time that suspects

:42:32. > :42:35.spend under investigation. The new rules say that the length

:42:36. > :42:38.of time a person can be kept on pre-charge bail will be limited

:42:39. > :42:41.to an initial 28 days, but that a senior police officer can

:42:42. > :42:44.extend a person's bail time up After that, a magistrate can

:42:45. > :42:49.grant further extensions. But as the new rules come

:42:50. > :42:52.into effect, this programme has heard concerns that it won't address

:42:53. > :42:55.the problem they are These new rules don't do anything

:42:56. > :43:00.to ensure that investigations in general are going to be

:43:01. > :43:03.resolved more swiftly. In fact, I fear that they

:43:04. > :43:06.may even take longer. As well as concerns

:43:07. > :43:08.from senior police officers We have a police service

:43:09. > :43:13.that is on its knees. 28 days just simply

:43:14. > :43:24.is not realistic. David Prince spent two years under

:43:25. > :43:27.police investigation after being caught up

:43:28. > :43:31.in a complex fraud case. He was unaware of any proceedings

:43:32. > :43:34.against him until ?31,000 suddenly disappeared

:43:35. > :43:37.from his business account. As the investigation progressed,

:43:38. > :43:46.he had almost 50 items of personal property confiscated,

:43:47. > :43:47.and the police froze He described the psychological

:43:48. > :43:50.pressure of spending time It had a terrible effect on my life.

:43:51. > :43:55.I had no money to live off. I'd sold everything that

:43:56. > :43:57.I owned of any value. A lot of the depression kicked

:43:58. > :44:01.in after I was arrested And so a few months after that,

:44:02. > :44:10.I attempted to commit suicide, and for another twice after that

:44:11. > :44:13.I attempted to commit You attempted suicide

:44:14. > :44:20.on three occasions? You must have been

:44:21. > :44:24.in a very dark place. Having your whole life turned

:44:25. > :44:29.upside down, everything taken away from you,

:44:30. > :44:32.your business taken away from you, your personal accounts

:44:33. > :44:35.taken away from you. You feel like you've had a crime

:44:36. > :44:38.done to you by the state. How did the police inform

:44:39. > :44:56.you that there were going to be no Well basically, they sent me

:44:57. > :45:01.a very badly printed So, I can hardly even read this,

:45:02. > :45:08.because it's so badly produced. And you can sort of make out

:45:09. > :45:16.here that there is a cross mark where it says there is insufficient

:45:17. > :45:18.evidence to provide a realistic And that made me feel

:45:19. > :45:22.absolutely awful. Rather than releasing me and saying,

:45:23. > :45:24.innocent, they're saying Well, there is insufficient evidence

:45:25. > :45:31.because there is no evidence And they should at least

:45:32. > :45:37.acknowledge that. There's no empathy in

:45:38. > :45:40.a police investigation. And that's the way you're treated

:45:41. > :45:49.all the way through. And even when you finish

:45:50. > :45:51.the process, you just And that's difficult to live with,

:45:52. > :45:57.and that makes you angry. Steve has spent the last nine months

:45:58. > :46:00.under police investigation. He is currently on pre-charge bail,

:46:01. > :46:04.and has had his bail time For legal reasons, we can't

:46:05. > :46:10.broadcast the full details of his case, or reveal his last

:46:11. > :46:14.name, but Steve has been accused of making explicit images public

:46:15. > :46:16.online without the consent Steve maintains his innocence,

:46:17. > :46:21.and is yet to be charged, still less convicted,

:46:22. > :46:27.of any offence. For the last nine, ten months,

:46:28. > :46:30.I've known at any time I could be arrested again,

:46:31. > :46:33.taken back and put in a cell. You've been on bail

:46:34. > :46:35.for nine months already? When you receive notice that

:46:36. > :46:50.that was going to be extended by an additional three months,

:46:51. > :46:53.you wrote an e-mail to the police. And in that e-mail, you said,

:46:54. > :46:57.this is not a police state. If you want me in three

:46:58. > :47:01.then come and get me. You sound like a man

:47:02. > :47:04.on the edge in that e-mail. I was on the edge there, and I did

:47:05. > :47:07.actually send them an e-mail. The last e-mail I sent

:47:08. > :47:10.to them said, look, this Had I not for the first time gone

:47:11. > :47:14.and seen my GP about this, Talking to friends and telling them

:47:15. > :47:24.the full facts of the case, who has accused me and what I have

:47:25. > :47:26.been accused of. It has driven me very

:47:27. > :47:29.close to the edge. Steve has had his bail time extended

:47:30. > :47:31.on five separate occasions, and has spent months with his life

:47:32. > :47:34.on hold waiting to be I really did believe this time,

:47:35. > :47:38.because the inspector did write to me and say,

:47:39. > :47:40.look, we are going to get it sorted this time for you,

:47:41. > :47:43.the longest one ever Under the new rules,

:47:44. > :47:46.there is going to be a 28-day But of course that doesn't help

:47:47. > :47:51.somebody in your position, does it? No, because I'm already

:47:52. > :47:54.on what they are calling now the old scheme, and I do believe I'm

:47:55. > :47:57.going to be put further and further back, because they've got to deal

:47:58. > :48:00.with people on the new scheme, whereas with me, they can just write

:48:01. > :48:03.to me and put me back again So you are worried

:48:04. > :48:07.that the 28-day limit... As an outspoken critic

:48:08. > :48:11.of the new regulations, vice-chair of the Police Federation,

:48:12. > :48:13.Calum Macleod, shares Steve's concerns, and also believes

:48:14. > :48:15.that the changes will create serious The issue is, 28 days is a very,

:48:16. > :48:19.very short time frame. We have a police service

:48:20. > :48:21.that is on its knees. We are 23,000 officers less

:48:22. > :48:24.than we were in 2009. The pressure that these officers

:48:25. > :48:26.are under is immense. 28 days just simply

:48:27. > :48:28.is not realistic. In some cases, people's lives

:48:29. > :48:31.are really torn apart by being under Do you think the police ought to be

:48:32. > :48:35.more conscious of the fact that their investigations can

:48:36. > :48:37.have a very detrimental effect on the lives of people who have

:48:38. > :48:41.been accused of a crime? I take on board what you're saying

:48:42. > :48:45.in relation to the impact That is right, I sympathise with

:48:46. > :48:48.individuals involved in the process. But sometimes it's simply

:48:49. > :48:50.outwith our control in relation Do you think that the new bail rules

:48:51. > :49:01.will ultimately mean that people accused of a crime will be dealt

:49:02. > :49:03.with more swiftly than Ultimately, I think we're

:49:04. > :49:07.going to end up with a lot What happens to the individuals

:49:08. > :49:11.who are released without bail? What mechanisms are there to ensure

:49:12. > :49:14.that that crime is investigated on the same level as somebody

:49:15. > :49:21.who is on bail? So you're saying that

:49:22. > :49:23.somebody could be released from custody without bail,

:49:24. > :49:26.but still be subjected to a very long police investigation

:49:27. > :49:27.without even the staging post That is exactly the point

:49:28. > :49:38.I'm trying to make. We put this last point to criminal

:49:39. > :49:41.defence lawyer Ruth Harris, and asked if the new rules would put

:49:42. > :49:44.any limit on the length of time a person could spend under police

:49:45. > :49:47.investigation if they are simply No, there is no limit on the length

:49:48. > :49:52.of police investigation for them. What's important to notice that's

:49:53. > :49:54.going to be a really significant proportion of the people

:49:55. > :49:57.who are released while an investigation continues,

:49:58. > :49:59.because the new rules say that there must be a presumption

:50:00. > :50:03.that people who are released pending investigation are not released

:50:04. > :50:05.on bail, and not really subject to any bail conditions,

:50:06. > :50:07.so we going to see probably the majority of people released

:50:08. > :50:10.without any bail at all, and they'll be released with this

:50:11. > :50:12.stench of wrongdoing hanging round them, but no date

:50:13. > :50:15.on which they can imagine that the case is going to be

:50:16. > :50:17.resolved, and no mechanism by which they can challenge

:50:18. > :50:20.tardiness on the part of the police When your clients are subjected

:50:21. > :50:38.to very long police investigations, what kind of an effect does it tend

:50:39. > :50:41.to have on them? Well, in answering that it's

:50:42. > :50:44.important to remember who these people are that are subject

:50:45. > :50:46.to these provisions. These are people that

:50:47. > :50:47.have been identified as suspects by the police,

:50:48. > :50:49.and released under investigation. But often they are identified quite

:50:50. > :50:52.publicly, the suspects. So if you were facing

:50:53. > :50:54.an allegation which you contest, and have no way in which you can

:50:55. > :50:57.clear your name, and no clarity as to when the matter will be

:50:58. > :51:00.resolved, the stress on you can If you work in the criminal justice

:51:01. > :51:17.system, or you've been on bail for a long period of time -

:51:18. > :51:20.do get in touch. When the reform to the pre-charge

:51:21. > :51:23.bail rules came into effect on April 3rd, the Home Office said the change

:51:24. > :51:26."brings an end to the injustice of people being left to languish

:51:27. > :51:41.on very lengthy periods One today marks the 10-year

:51:42. > :51:47.anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal. Since

:51:48. > :51:51.then, many different theories have been investigated by both Portuguese

:51:52. > :51:55.and British police. Last week, the Met, who have been running an

:51:56. > :52:00.investigation since 2011, said they are still pursuing critical lines of

:52:01. > :52:04.enquiry. Madeleine McCann's parents Kate and Gerry have been speaking to

:52:05. > :52:06.Fiona Bruce about how they feel a decade on from their daughter cosmic

:52:07. > :52:09.disappearance. It's that 10-year mark, which makes

:52:10. > :52:12.it more significant I think, that's a reminder of how

:52:13. > :52:14.much time has gone by. I think that the day

:52:15. > :52:19.and the poignancy of it, that we don't tend to go back

:52:20. > :52:21.to the time because it's so draining, but inevitably

:52:22. > :52:23.on the anniversaries and on her birthday

:52:24. > :52:32.they are by far the hardest days. How different is your life now

:52:33. > :52:35.to what you must have imagined It's a hard one, isn't

:52:36. > :52:41.it, because it's such Before Madeleine was taken we felt

:52:42. > :52:46.we'd managed to achieve We had that for a short period

:52:47. > :52:54.and you adapt and have Unfortunately for us a new normality

:52:55. > :53:01.at the minute is a family of four. Last time we talked you told me how

:53:02. > :53:05.you were still buying birthday presents and Christmas

:53:06. > :53:06.presents for Madeleine. After ten years are

:53:07. > :53:08.you still doing that? So you go around the shops and think

:53:09. > :53:19.Madeleine would be this age now, I obviously have to think

:53:20. > :53:24.about what age she is and something that, you know, whenever

:53:25. > :53:26.we find her will But I couldn't not,

:53:27. > :53:56.she's still our daughter, Jon Kay is in Praia Da Luz. It is so

:53:57. > :54:01.familiar this site, we have seen it in news bulletins, and newspapers

:54:02. > :54:04.over the last ten years, but it was just up the pavement on the other

:54:05. > :54:08.side, that is where Kate McCann walked up ten years ago to check on

:54:09. > :54:13.the that win this department block and she discovered that Madeleine

:54:14. > :54:17.missing. In a panorama on BBC One tonight, Richard Bilton will hear

:54:18. > :54:20.from the Portuguese authorities who say they did not believe the

:54:21. > :54:24.suspicions of the British police when the British police got involved

:54:25. > :54:28.that this was a burglary gone wrong. Of course on the other side Scotland

:54:29. > :54:33.Yard were investigating and continued to investigate other lines

:54:34. > :54:37.as well. Investigating some deliberate abduction, whether there

:54:38. > :54:41.was a paedophile network at work. We know is that four local men who were

:54:42. > :54:46.questioned a of years ago as official subjects are no longer

:54:47. > :54:51.suspects, so it seems there are no longer any official suspects.

:54:52. > :54:54.Although police have said there is one significant critical line of

:54:55. > :54:58.enquiry they say that they are pursuing right now. We are not

:54:59. > :55:01.entirely sure what it is but it has been reported that it could be the

:55:02. > :55:05.siting of a woman on this very corner. A middle-aged woman dressed

:55:06. > :55:08.in purple, we have been told. We have also heard from a witness while

:55:09. > :55:12.we have been here in Portugal over the last couple of days who has said

:55:13. > :55:16.that as well as seeing a woman on this corner, she also saw a car

:55:17. > :55:20.speeding on a road towards this apartment in the couple of hours

:55:21. > :55:25.before Madelyn was seen to be missing. Still so many questions and

:55:26. > :55:30.answers and found, unbecoming, and tonight the people of this immunity,

:55:31. > :55:39.holiday-makers and experts will gather to remember not just

:55:40. > :55:40.Madeleine McCann but a service for all of those children who have gone

:55:41. > :55:45.missing over the world. We can speak now to Dr Graham Hill,

:55:46. > :55:47.who advised Portuguese police when Madeleine McCann first

:55:48. > :55:50.disappeared and wrote the review for the Home Office that led

:55:51. > :55:58.to the opening of British police What are your reflections today on

:55:59. > :56:01.that original investigation? I think looking back ten years on the

:56:02. > :56:09.picture was very confusing, as it is with most crimes of this type. But

:56:10. > :56:11.there was a definite sense of the British police response was not

:56:12. > :56:15.particularly welcomed by the Portuguese, and I can understand

:56:16. > :56:20.that, because it's quite difficult to go to someone else's jurisdiction

:56:21. > :56:24.and give some advice about such a high-profile crime. What mistakes

:56:25. > :56:29.were made in the very early days of the investigation, and how has that

:56:30. > :56:32.impacted on what has happened subsequently? These are notoriously

:56:33. > :56:36.difficult crimes to investigate, you have to do things correctly and in a

:56:37. > :56:40.timely fashion, normally within the first 24 hours or 48 hours. If you

:56:41. > :56:43.don't, then the investigation can get away with you, and I think that

:56:44. > :56:47.is very clear that is what happened with this investigation. Certain

:56:48. > :56:51.things weren't done in a timely fashion, and then you have to do

:56:52. > :56:55.them in a very unusual sort of way. The classic example is that the

:56:56. > :56:59.parents should have been eliminated from the investigation as early as

:57:00. > :57:03.possible, not weeks afterwards. Statistics tell us always eliminate

:57:04. > :57:07.close pivot of the child that has gone missing. Then you need to do

:57:08. > :57:09.your investigation thoroughly, your house-to-house investigation,

:57:10. > :57:12.because you never know what information you will be collecting

:57:13. > :57:16.and how important that will be in the future. Classic example of that,

:57:17. > :57:19.there are some research in America that says children that were

:57:20. > :57:22.abducted and murdered within the first 24 hours those cases that were

:57:23. > :57:26.sold, the suspect was actually spoken to by the investigation team.

:57:27. > :57:31.So that tells you how important it is to do those things correctly

:57:32. > :57:33.early. You wrote the review that led to British police opening their own

:57:34. > :57:40.enquiry into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It is still ongoing.

:57:41. > :57:45.Metropolitan Police Service till investigating. ?11 million has been

:57:46. > :57:49.spent up to now, is it worth continuing? Firstly when I read the

:57:50. > :57:52.review, I never envisaged it would still be investigated six or seven

:57:53. > :57:56.years on. What you have to understand is when I wrote the

:57:57. > :58:01.review, the actual investigation was three and a half years old. And it

:58:02. > :58:06.accrued lots of information, some of that hadn't been dealt with

:58:07. > :58:08.correctly, that was very obvious. When it then went to the

:58:09. > :58:14.Metropolitan Police Service to it was nearly four years old. So it is

:58:15. > :58:16.no surprise that they have had to decode and selectively go through

:58:17. > :58:24.all of that information, and then they have accrued a whole new lot of

:58:25. > :58:29.investigation -- from the enquiry on going. So it is no surprise it is

:58:30. > :58:34.still ongoing ten years later. On missing children cases like this,

:58:35. > :58:38.across Europe, are they difficult to investigate? Massively, because they

:58:39. > :58:40.are so rare and there is not a lot of experience across Europe in

:58:41. > :58:44.dealing with these high-profile crimes. The other thing about it,

:58:45. > :58:48.the child rescue alert system that is meant to help recover children

:58:49. > :58:53.that have been abducted, that is very fragmented across Europe. It

:58:54. > :58:57.doesn't work slickly, and there is a whole case for saying what have we

:58:58. > :59:02.learned? If this happened again in 2017, would our response in the UK

:59:03. > :59:05.and across Europe be any different? I'm not so sure it would be. The not

:59:06. > :59:10.so sure we have learned the lessons. The thing is with these crimes,

:59:11. > :59:12.sometimes they take years to get detecting, sometimes they are never

:59:13. > :59:16.detected but the one thing we need to do is learn lessons from them so

:59:17. > :59:19.they don't happen again, what at least when they do we are in a

:59:20. > :59:24.better position to do with them. Thank you very much, Dr Graham Hill.

:59:25. > :59:27.Still to come. The Eu's Chief Negotiator -

:59:28. > :59:30.a man called Michel Barnier - will set out EU guidelines

:59:31. > :59:32.for Brexit talks in We'll bring you what

:59:33. > :59:37.he has to say live. The latest news and sport in a

:59:38. > :59:42.second. Before that, the weather from Carol. It was chilly this

:59:43. > :59:46.morning, not just in London, but across many other parts of the UK it

:59:47. > :59:51.was as well. Especially so when we have a clear skies. Where we have

:59:52. > :59:54.the clear skies is where we started off with some sunshine. The

:59:55. > :59:57.temperatures are now rising quite rapidly. So we take a look at some

:59:58. > :00:03.of our Weather Watchers pictures. This is a beauty from Grimsby,

:00:04. > :00:07.lovely sunrise, lovely too this morning across Yorkshire. Some blue

:00:08. > :00:10.skies. For most of us today will remain mainly dry. I say mainly

:00:11. > :00:14.because there are some rain around was the bid has been raining and

:00:15. > :00:18.still is across parts of Kent and other parts of south-east England as

:00:19. > :00:21.well. On the satellite picture you can see where we have got the cloud,

:00:22. > :00:26.now melting away but this is an area of cloud producing some rain. Not

:00:27. > :00:29.particularly heavy but it is there nonetheless. It will increasingly

:00:30. > :00:33.turn more patchy through the course of the day. You will also notice the

:00:34. > :00:37.wind. It is picking up and it is a cold wind blowing this cloud further

:00:38. > :00:40.westwards. It will be the far north-west of Wales for example by

:00:41. > :00:44.the time we get into the afternoon that will be hanging onto the

:00:45. > :00:48.sunshine. For the rest of Wales, the cloud will continue to build. Moving

:00:49. > :00:53.across the Irish Sea into Northern Ireland, a chilly start. A beautiful

:00:54. > :00:57.one with a lot of sunshine, which prevails through the afternoon.

:00:58. > :01:02.Highs of 15 or 16 Celsius. Across Scotland, he too a lot of sunshine,

:01:03. > :01:05.yesterday in the West Highlands, they reached 21 Celsius, making it

:01:06. > :01:09.the warmest day in Scotland of the year so far. Today's temper job

:01:10. > :01:12.would be quite as I've stopped Northern England after a chilly

:01:13. > :01:14.start, lots of sunshine for you and then we run into all this cloud

:01:15. > :01:19.further south and east, thick enough to blog producing some patchy rain

:01:20. > :01:22.showers. That extends over in the direction of the south-west of

:01:23. > :01:27.England, nonetheless we will still see one or two brighter spells as we

:01:28. > :01:30.go through the afternoon. Into the evening and overnight period, we

:01:31. > :01:34.still have this keen wind, still a lot of cloud and some showers. Under

:01:35. > :01:38.clear skies across Scotland and Northern Ireland, it is going to be

:01:39. > :01:41.a cold night. The temperature will dip quite quickly after dark. Then

:01:42. > :01:46.some of the sheltered glens, we could well see a touch of frost.

:01:47. > :01:50.Tomorrow morning, that is why we'll see some sunshine for Scotland and

:01:51. > :01:53.Northern Ireland. Still a noticeable wind, coming off a chilly North Sea.

:01:54. > :01:57.If you are on that east coast will feel cold, even though there will be

:01:58. > :02:00.sunshine around. There will be more cloud across southern parts of

:02:01. > :02:04.England and Wales tomorrow but the wind will help break it up in

:02:05. > :02:08.places. It is still thick enough to produce the odd shower. Temperatures

:02:09. > :02:11.in the West about 14 to 16, still round about ten to 12 as we are in

:02:12. > :02:16.the east. For Friday, a similar story. Still in the East we are

:02:17. > :02:20.exposed to that wind so feeling cold, still quite a bit of cloud

:02:21. > :02:23.around Southern counties, but elsewhere sunny skies, brighter

:02:24. > :02:28.skies and highs up to about 15. Into the weekend, except for the risk of

:02:29. > :02:28.some rain coming into the south-west, it does remain fairly

:02:29. > :02:31.settled. It's Wednesday. It's just after

:02:32. > :02:38.10am. The general election campaign

:02:39. > :02:50.gets underway today. It means more of this. Strong and

:02:51. > :02:53.stable leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strong and staip

:02:54. > :03:02.leadership. Strong and stable Government. Strong and stable

:03:03. > :03:03.leadership. That message isn't reaching everyone

:03:04. > :03:06.though. Are you aware that there's

:03:07. > :03:08.a general election in June? I'm not aware of any

:03:09. > :03:14.thing that's going on. It doesn't matter whatever,

:03:15. > :03:16.they'll still mess up the country like they have done anyway,

:03:17. > :03:19.so it don't really matter to me. We'll be speaking to four

:03:20. > :03:21.young people, three of which who have never voted,

:03:22. > :03:23.one who can't remember We'll speak to some

:03:24. > :03:29.of the men in this photo. The 14 are all students

:03:30. > :03:31.at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black

:03:32. > :03:35.men can go to Cambridge. And claims that rules which limit

:03:36. > :03:38.the amount of time people can spend on bail won't actually

:03:39. > :03:40.make any difference. You feel like you've had a crime

:03:41. > :03:43.done to you by the state and there Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:03:44. > :03:58.with a summary of today's news. The Brexit Secretary, David Davis,

:03:59. > :04:02.has rejected suggestions that Britain will be forced to pay up

:04:03. > :04:05.to ?100 million as a final The European Commission's chief

:04:06. > :04:08.negotiator Michel Barnier will publish the EU's Brexit

:04:09. > :04:11.negotiating guidelines this morning after a gathering of European

:04:12. > :04:13.leaders at the weekend. Some reports suggest negotiators

:04:14. > :04:16.have increased the size of the so-called divorce bill

:04:17. > :04:18.which the EU will demand Today marks ten years

:04:19. > :04:38.since the disappearance The BBC's Panorama programme has

:04:39. > :04:43.learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British

:04:44. > :04:45.police theory that the toddler was She went missing from a holiday

:04:46. > :04:51.apartment in Praia da Despite extensive international

:04:52. > :04:55.inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain

:04:56. > :04:56.open. A former Scotland Yard Commissioner

:04:57. > :04:58.has said continuing the search for Madeleine was the right

:04:59. > :05:13.thing to do. Ten years on, the picture was very

:05:14. > :05:19.confusing as it is with most crimes of this type. But there was a

:05:20. > :05:21.definite sense of the Britis policing response wasn't

:05:22. > :05:24.particularly welcomed by the Portuguese.

:05:25. > :05:27.Detectives have been given more time to question three young women

:05:28. > :05:28.arrested on suspicion of terror offences.

:05:29. > :05:31.The women, all teenagers, were detained in East London on Monday.

:05:32. > :05:34.The operation was linked to a raid in north-west London last week,

:05:35. > :05:40.during which another woman was shot and wounded by police.

:05:41. > :05:42.Senior police officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules

:05:43. > :05:44.intended to reduce the amount of time people can be

:05:45. > :05:48.Last month, a new 28-day limit on pre-charge bail was introduced

:05:49. > :05:57.It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months

:05:58. > :05:59.or even years during high-profile investigations into historical

:06:00. > :06:04.This programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic

:06:05. > :06:09.We'll have more on this later in the hour.

:06:10. > :06:12.The Sun newspaper says thousands of the new one

:06:13. > :06:14.pound coins have cracked because of flaws

:06:15. > :06:18.The coins, which came into circulation in March,

:06:19. > :06:22.But the newspaper says it's seen evidence that the pound can be

:06:23. > :06:24.warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre

:06:25. > :06:44.The Turner Prize shortlist contains two people over 50.

:06:45. > :06:46.One of Britain's leading black female artists, Lubaina Himid,

:06:47. > :06:48.has become the oldest person to be nominated for British

:06:49. > :06:50.art's most high-profile award, the Turner Prize.

:06:51. > :06:53.At 62, Himid is eligible for the ?25,000 prize after it

:06:54. > :06:56.Another black British artist, 52-year-old Hurvin Anderson, is also

:06:57. > :06:59.The other two artists on the shortlist are

:07:00. > :07:01.German-born Andrea Buttner and Londoner Rosalind Nashashibi.

:07:02. > :07:03.The winner will be announced in December.

:07:04. > :07:10.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

:07:11. > :07:16.Cristiano Ronaldo became the first player to move past 50 goals

:07:17. > :07:19.in the knock-out stages of the Champions League alone,

:07:20. > :07:21.as he helped Real Madrid beat their city rivals Atletico 3-0

:07:22. > :07:25.in their semi-final first leg at the Bernabeu.

:07:26. > :07:28.Ronaldo scored the winning penalty in last year's final between these

:07:29. > :07:32.sides and he was once again Real's star last night.

:07:33. > :07:35.His hat-trick means Real are still on for their third

:07:36. > :07:40.Champions League title in four years.

:07:41. > :07:45.There have been threats of legal action from athletes who could have

:07:46. > :07:49.their world records taken away. World champion and world record

:07:50. > :07:51.holder Colin Jackson says athletics authorities should

:07:52. > :07:53.get their own house in order before removing records

:07:54. > :07:55.from athletes like him. A controversial anti-doping

:07:56. > :07:57.proposal could see those set Jackson held the 110 metre

:07:58. > :08:00.hurdles world record for 13 years and his mark over

:08:01. > :08:10.60-metres remains unbeaten. Look at your house today and make

:08:11. > :08:13.sure your sport is in order. Eradicating records from the past

:08:14. > :08:17.surely is not going to make any difference to the future in that

:08:18. > :08:21.particular way. They have got to make sure that the doping situation

:08:22. > :08:25.is in hand today. And that's all the sport for now,

:08:26. > :08:41.Victoria. David Davis said the UK will not pay

:08:42. > :08:46.a divorce bill of ?100 million when the UK leave the EU. The figure is

:08:47. > :08:50.higher than previous estimates of around 60 billion euros. There are

:08:51. > :08:54.claims the UK could be asked to contribute to farming payments after

:08:55. > :08:57.leaving the Union. The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier is setting

:08:58. > :09:03.out his guidelines and we can hear from him right now.

:09:04. > :09:10.The business community in each mother state and trade unions and

:09:11. > :09:17.civil society and we will continue. Our hard work paid off, the result

:09:18. > :09:24.of our collective work is what happened last Saturday, the 27

:09:25. > :09:29.leaders and president of the three institutions showing their unity by

:09:30. > :09:38.agreeing on clear guidelines for the negotiation. Today the Commission

:09:39. > :09:48.proposes the recommendation that translates these guidelines into

:09:49. > :09:51.negotiating directives. In line with a two-phase approach, these

:09:52. > :09:55.directives are for the first phase of the negotiations onliment our

:09:56. > :10:03.recommendations shows where we want to land when we conclude the first

:10:04. > :10:08.phase of negotiations. Notably on citizens rights, the final

:10:09. > :10:16.settlement and the new external borders. I will pay great attention

:10:17. > :10:24.to the situation in Ireland and I will go to Ireland next week. The UK

:10:25. > :10:30.must put a great deal of energy and thought into these three issues over

:10:31. > :10:38.the next weeks and months and that will increase the chances of

:10:39. > :10:45.reaching a deal. Some have created the illusion that Brexit would have

:10:46. > :10:51.no material I will pact on our lives or that negotiations can be

:10:52. > :11:00.concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case. We need some

:11:01. > :11:22.solutions. We need legal precision and this will take time.

:11:23. > :11:30.How good is your French? I think we might just leave it there and maybe

:11:31. > :11:35.Norman can translate because we'll talk to him next. But you got the

:11:36. > :11:45.gist of that anyway. Tell us what would you draw from what would you

:11:46. > :11:47.draw from what he said in sn He is one tough cookie saying anyone who

:11:48. > :11:54.thinks this is going to be easy, it's going to be quick, think again.

:11:55. > :11:58.He said, "Don't be under any illusions, there is going to have to

:11:59. > :12:03.be a lot of change. There is going to have to be legal precision. This

:12:04. > :12:06.is going to take time." What is he going to say about money? Because we

:12:07. > :12:11.know there are suggestions that the EU could demand up to 1 billion

:12:12. > :12:15.euros for us to leave the European Union. A huge bill which the Brexit

:12:16. > :12:21.secretary David Davis has already said no way, we're not paying that.

:12:22. > :12:25.Meanwhile, here in old London town, in the general election campaign,

:12:26. > :12:30.money is also the issue with the Tories today going through what they

:12:31. > :12:35.say are all the policies which senior Labour figures have listed so

:12:36. > :12:40.far, totting them up and saying that money would cost ?65 billion, how

:12:41. > :12:44.are you going to pay for it? They have looked at the taxes and say

:12:45. > :12:47.Labour will change and say that will ropeble raise ?20 billion,

:12:48. > :12:51.therefore, the poor old voter will face ?45 billion of extra taxes and

:12:52. > :12:55.debt if Jeremy Corbyn becomes leader. It was the Chancellor,

:12:56. > :12:58.Philip Hammond, who set out that claim today in a news conference

:12:59. > :13:05.behind me. Have a listen to what he said. His economic policies are a

:13:06. > :13:10.recipe for chaos, instability, uncertainty, and insecurity. Britain

:13:11. > :13:15.simply cannot take the risk of Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street

:13:16. > :13:21.unleashing economic chaos on the country. Just when we need strong

:13:22. > :13:24.and stable leadership for our economy and our country over the

:13:25. > :13:30.crucial next five years, as we negotiate our exit from the EU, and

:13:31. > :13:35.chart a new course in the years beyond, Jeremy Corbyn offers a kay

:13:36. > :13:42.attic and high-risk gamble that would lead to higher taxes, more

:13:43. > :13:47.borrowing and more debt. Just in case you didn't get the

:13:48. > :13:52.message behind Mr Hammond, we can show you the poster which the Tories

:13:53. > :13:56.are launching today. This tax bombshell poster which they say

:13:57. > :14:01.ordinary families would face in taxes and debts if Jeremy Corbyn was

:14:02. > :14:06.elected. That's the poster they want to stick in our minds, but let me

:14:07. > :14:09.say, it is turning into a bit of a retro election because if you wind

:14:10. > :14:16.back the clock, we have been here before. Let me remind you of 1992!

:14:17. > :14:23.Do you remember that election when it was John Major versus Neil kin

:14:24. > :14:30.OK, Norman Lamont and Chris Patten unveiling what looks like a very,

:14:31. > :14:33.very similar poster! Now, how have Labour responded to

:14:34. > :14:37.this charge? Well, frankly, they are furious because they are claiming

:14:38. > :14:40.that a lot of the things which the Tories are saying are Labour Party

:14:41. > :14:47.policy are not in fact Labour Party policy and John McDonnell this

:14:48. > :14:49.morning accused the Tories of lying and of falsehoods. Have a listen.

:14:50. > :14:55.A pack of lies. I don't know why the BBC

:14:56. > :14:59.or the media are giving it I'll just give an example,

:15:00. > :15:04.they've included ?35 billion worth of investment

:15:05. > :15:05.money, capital expenditure. They don't seem to know

:15:06. > :15:07.the difference between All you include in your day-to-day

:15:08. > :15:10.spending on capital expenditure is the interest rates,

:15:11. > :15:14.so it's completely ludicrous. Then they've invented figures

:15:15. > :15:16.in terms of commitments that we've given, which we haven't,

:15:17. > :15:18.and then where we have given commitments they haven't even

:15:19. > :15:34.identified where we have already That is what has been happening on

:15:35. > :15:42.the election campaign. Michel Barnier still on his feet. Let's

:15:43. > :15:48.have a listen. Many organisations, we need to respond by being

:15:49. > :15:52.transparent. This is why we are publishing today our recommendations

:15:53. > :15:59.of the councils negotiation directly, we will be transparent

:16:00. > :16:05.throughout the process. Transparency can help sustaining a constructive

:16:06. > :16:15.public to -- constructive public debate. I think the EU should always

:16:16. > :16:20.remain cool-headed and socially oriented. We should put all of our

:16:21. > :16:26.efforts towards reaching a deal. This is the spirit in which I with

:16:27. > :16:33.the trust of the institutions and Allman the States will continue

:16:34. > :16:43.working. The EU 27 is on track to make sure that the UK's withdrawal

:16:44. > :16:48.opens in an orderly fashion. That has now caused ten months of

:16:49. > :16:55.uncertainty, the UK's decision to leave. We need to remove that. It is

:16:56. > :16:59.high time to start negotiating, as soon as the UK is ready to come to

:17:00. > :17:06.the table, we shall start negotiating. The clock is ticking.

:17:07. > :17:16.And I am ready now to answer your questions. Before we start the

:17:17. > :17:21.remarks, please keep whatever you consider technical for colleagues

:17:22. > :17:30.who are here. Let's tried to cover different sensitivities, not to

:17:31. > :17:39.repeat ourselves. It is not impossible we will be able to answer

:17:40. > :17:44.technical questions as well. TRANSLATION: Good morning

:17:45. > :17:48.Commissioner, two questions firstly on the financial settlement, I

:17:49. > :17:53.understand your argument that there are commitments and projects that

:17:54. > :17:56.are underway and should not be interrupted, but legally speaking,

:17:57. > :18:03.what is the basis for this request? And then a second question on

:18:04. > :18:09.dispute settlement, you are saying this will be taken care of by the

:18:10. > :18:13.European court of justice. If I have understood correctly, as soon as the

:18:14. > :18:17.UK leaves the union, they will no longer be represented by a judge in

:18:18. > :18:23.the court. Do you think you will have to have a specific arrangement,

:18:24. > :18:33.where you ask the UK to bow before the other 27 judges of the court?

:18:34. > :18:36.Thank you. In response to your two points with Sabine and Stefanidi

:18:37. > :18:39.will be able to return to the details of this matter in which I

:18:40. > :18:44.have received and which I will apply with determination rigour. What we

:18:45. > :18:49.have in the guidelines are all the commitments which have been entered

:18:50. > :18:55.into between the UK and ourselves and vice versa. And there are of

:18:56. > :19:01.course certain common undertakings which have been entered into

:19:02. > :19:10.officially and legally for example in 2013 as to the beginning of the

:19:11. > :19:17.budget period, we have a whole range of obligations. Apart from that

:19:18. > :19:26.there are other obligations, these are the turkey. -- with regards to

:19:27. > :19:31.Turkey. We then have the other things which we have covered,

:19:32. > :19:37.macroeconomic assistance to countries such as Ukraine. This all

:19:38. > :19:43.has to be tarted up. We have entered into rigorous and objective work,

:19:44. > :19:56.which should be -- it will have to be totted up. I hear mention of

:19:57. > :20:02.punishment for the Brexit bill, that is not the case. Commitments have to

:20:03. > :20:09.be honoured. Those responsibilities have to be honoured. Imagine for one

:20:10. > :20:17.moment what would happen were this not to happen? I want to reach an

:20:18. > :20:23.agreement on behalf of the 27, and I said in front of the committee of

:20:24. > :20:29.the region is what I see, we are trying to problems, we wish to

:20:30. > :20:33.resolve problems. Michel Barnier, the Brussels top negotiator when it

:20:34. > :20:39.comes to Britain's Brexit talks will stop was talking about Britain's

:20:40. > :20:43.liabilities. Yes, don't be fooled by the diplomatic Suave demeanour of Mr

:20:44. > :20:52.Barnier committee were saying basically bring it on. He says they

:20:53. > :20:54.will tot up the sums, Britain has made common undertakings and there

:20:55. > :20:58.will be an incontestable final amount which Britain will be

:20:59. > :21:05.expected to pay. We did not get clarity on whether it was ?100

:21:06. > :21:10.billion, but Mr Ban a will be suggesting it is non-negotiable --

:21:11. > :21:15.Mr Barnier. That gives you a sense of his determination to drive a very

:21:16. > :21:19.hard bargain indeed. Clearly somewhat impatient with the way this

:21:20. > :21:22.has dragged on. He said we have had ten months of uncertainty, the clock

:21:23. > :21:29.is ticking, in other words get on with it. He suggested it will be

:21:30. > :21:32.difficult, Brexit would lead to material consequences for Britain,

:21:33. > :21:36.and he also raised a question about whether Mrs May will be able to get

:21:37. > :21:40.this deal signed, sealed and delivered within two years, saying

:21:41. > :21:44.this can't be done quickly. Be in no doubt Michel Barnier is one tough

:21:45. > :21:50.cookie and he will drive a hard, hard bargain. Yes, he said it is not

:21:51. > :21:53.an exit bill, a punishment, it is just what Britain owes. So Brexit

:21:54. > :22:02.will be a big deal for quite a few people when it comes to the

:22:03. > :22:07.general election in the UK. But how much interest is there broadly in

:22:08. > :22:11.this election? Only 66% of those registered to vote actually bother

:22:12. > :22:16.to do so in the last election two years ago. The last general

:22:17. > :22:21.election. That compares to 84% back in 1950. This morning we are

:22:22. > :22:26.speaking to a group of people who simply don't vote.

:22:27. > :22:27.Chelsea Stewart is a 30-year-old business owner.

:22:28. > :22:31.Josie Cruse is 50, but she says she can't remember ever voting.

:22:32. > :22:40.She's 38 and works for a local radio station and has never voted.

:22:41. > :22:42.Mohamed Sangarie is 23, an accountant and a city trader.

:22:43. > :22:45.He's not sure, but thinks he might have voted once.

:22:46. > :22:48.Also here is Ade Onibada from Bite the Ballot which aims to get young

:22:49. > :22:50.people engaged with politics so they can feel empowered

:22:51. > :23:06.Tell us why you have never voted. My reason for not voting is quite

:23:07. > :23:10.simple. If we are given the power to vote for someone to be in power, I

:23:11. > :23:15.don't understand why we have now say after that. There is this big thing

:23:16. > :23:19.put together in order to get us to vote, but my question after that is

:23:20. > :23:26.what after that? What more power do I have after that? Well, you have

:23:27. > :23:29.local council elections, but broadly speaking you have to wait for the

:23:30. > :23:36.next general election. That's not good for you. That is not good

:23:37. > :23:39.enough for me. I think there is too much say over myself as an

:23:40. > :23:42.individual by people that they do not know, that I do not sit and

:23:43. > :23:46.discuss anything with and who do not know me personally. And they

:23:47. > :23:52.generalise how they are going to govern my life and I just don't

:23:53. > :23:58.agree with that. I completely understand what your grievance is. I

:23:59. > :24:02.know all of the arguments that people who don't vote have. It took

:24:03. > :24:07.a process for me to feel differently about that. I definitely feel

:24:08. > :24:11.politics is in need of shaking up and rebranding, as far as greater

:24:12. > :24:19.accountability. Your MP does have surgery hours but a lot of people

:24:20. > :24:22.don't know that. Once beat you have the opportunity to meet with them as

:24:23. > :24:26.far as what you want to take up with them but I completely understand

:24:27. > :24:29.where you are coming from, as far as not feeling like one person you see

:24:30. > :24:33.once every four years, it is not good enough and I completely agree

:24:34. > :24:39.with you there. Chelsea, what about you, never voted. No. I feel like I

:24:40. > :24:44.don't have enough information to make a decision of that scale. To

:24:45. > :24:49.bring it back down really basic, when I make a decision for my

:24:50. > :24:55.company and my business, I do that based on, you know, facts, and

:24:56. > :25:03.things that can be held accountable. I don't believe a lot of the white

:25:04. > :25:07.noise thrown at me through media. You don't have any real control over

:25:08. > :25:10.it. Everyone is trying to look great when they are fighting for their

:25:11. > :25:15.job, everyone will say exactly what you want to hear. I just like the

:25:16. > :25:18.agendas of the agendas. I am not going to make that much of a

:25:19. > :25:24.difference. As I said, I don't have enough information. I didn't vote

:25:25. > :25:28.for Brexit, because that is such a huge decision, and if I don't have

:25:29. > :25:32.the right information, I don't want to have that responsibility. What

:25:33. > :25:37.did you think of the outcome of the Brexit vote? I didn't think it would

:25:38. > :25:40.happen, I didn't think it would be allowed, I just didn't think it

:25:41. > :25:47.would ever happen. I understand why it happened. People want to change.

:25:48. > :25:50.People are bored. What would you say the Chelsea? As far as not

:25:51. > :25:54.understanding the value of your vote, I completely understand the

:25:55. > :25:58.stop a lot of people think that my one vote won't make a difference. I

:25:59. > :26:00.understand the value of it, and just because you have the right to

:26:01. > :26:06.exercise something doesn't mean you always should. I have the right to

:26:07. > :26:12.eat ten chocolate bars a day, I'm not going to because it is not

:26:13. > :26:15.beneficial. I just think as well if I am going to make a decision that

:26:16. > :26:19.big, I need to have all those facts. I think if you are going to give me

:26:20. > :26:23.the responsibility to vote, you have the responsibility to give me the

:26:24. > :26:27.information to make that informed decision. So you don't feel like MPs

:26:28. > :26:33.are politicians give enough information? I am 30 now, but when I

:26:34. > :26:36.was in school we didn't have that information so readily available. We

:26:37. > :26:40.just weren't educated, it wasn't really important. Maybe if I had

:26:41. > :26:44.heard that from a younger age I would have taken more of an interest

:26:45. > :26:51.in it, I would understand it more. But a lot of the time it is fluff,

:26:52. > :26:54.it is noise. Political literacy is what we are trying to push for. As

:26:55. > :27:00.far as being change-makers or looking for solutions. You can't

:27:01. > :27:06.expect someone to know the language, now the process. I think that is

:27:07. > :27:08.part of it. Regular people like myself are excluded from these

:27:09. > :27:12.things deliberately. They chuck a load of noise and fluff at you to

:27:13. > :27:17.keep you exactly where they want you to be. I would love to be able to

:27:18. > :27:20.say I will want to vote for Labour or Conservative, I would love to say

:27:21. > :27:25.I believe in what they are going to do. I just don't. Don't you think in

:27:26. > :27:30.you making that decision not to vote, you have basically delivered

:27:31. > :27:35.what they want, if you feel like you are being deliberately excluded? I

:27:36. > :27:39.have never said I would never vote. If there was a campaign that touched

:27:40. > :27:44.on things that mean something to me, that can relate to me and my

:27:45. > :27:50.situation, my family, my circles, my lifetime, I would jump on it, of

:27:51. > :27:56.course I would. But you use hospitals to you, schools? Public

:27:57. > :27:59.service is? I do. You run a business, so you pay income tax,

:28:00. > :28:04.national insurance, I mean, these are all things that politicians are

:28:05. > :28:07.talking about. Yes, and unfortunately they say one thing was

:28:08. > :28:12.they are running for election and the complete other thing happens

:28:13. > :28:16.when they are in. Josie and Mohamed, use share something in common new

:28:17. > :28:22.thing you have voted once but you both can't remember. No, I am a bit

:28:23. > :28:26.what has been said here, I am 50 years of age, so I have watched the

:28:27. > :28:30.elections years ago and watched the campaigns, and I decided not to

:28:31. > :28:34.bother, because I think they just lie, to be honest with you. We get a

:28:35. > :28:41.lot of propaganda with it. I choose not to watch it. You think all

:28:42. > :28:46.politicians lie? No, I don't know why that happens, but I just think

:28:47. > :28:49.what we get fed, don't really understand what they are saying. I

:28:50. > :28:55.don't think they always tell the truth with people. It doesn't follow

:28:56. > :28:58.through. Things like with the VAT got decreased for a while and then

:28:59. > :29:02.increased to a high level, and they said it would be put back down for

:29:03. > :29:06.stuff that has stayed the same. So what gets said and what gets done

:29:07. > :29:09.are two different things. I have a small business and it really affects

:29:10. > :29:15.trying to run a business. I just feel what gets promised doesn't

:29:16. > :29:22.happen. So for me, I don't choose to get involved with that. I fully

:29:23. > :29:29.agree. I seem to always see the manifestos, and they never seem to,

:29:30. > :29:35.like, they don't seem to fulfil what they say, what they say they are

:29:36. > :29:41.going to do. So I have kind of lost faith. If you look at history, the

:29:42. > :29:44.government and politicians or whoever, kings and queens, they have

:29:45. > :29:47.never really cared for people, so it is for the people to wake up and

:29:48. > :29:51.realise that these people don't care for you. That is kind of

:29:52. > :29:54.self-explanatory. For me, if you look at history, there has aways

:29:55. > :29:59.been this feud between the poor and the rich between the haves and

:30:00. > :30:05.have-nots. You have to assess it and make your own judgment and see if

:30:06. > :30:09.these people really care. Completely understanding everybody's reverence

:30:10. > :30:16.is on what they have issues with. As far as where you go from promises to

:30:17. > :30:20.what is delivered, that is where we talk about having points of greater

:30:21. > :30:23.accountability, it happens when you vote, when you are part of the

:30:24. > :30:26.process, when you are able to force things. If a party brings you a

:30:27. > :30:30.manifesto that you don't like and if you are part of that party and you

:30:31. > :30:34.say this isn't good enough, you have that voice to say that isn't good

:30:35. > :30:39.enough. I just think point-blank saying that I am going to step aside

:30:40. > :30:43.from this whole system or step back is not part of the solution.

:30:44. > :30:49.Everyone here has an issue. But rather than talking about the

:30:50. > :30:54.issues, then what are the solutions? Would it not be to educate the

:30:55. > :30:58.younger generation about financial literacy... Yes, of course,

:30:59. > :31:05.financial Tracy Porter and political literacy. Wie so why hasn't it been

:31:06. > :31:08.done? So why hasn't it been done? It is part of their manifesto not to do

:31:09. > :31:13.it. If you are not registered to vote and you don't vote, guess what?

:31:14. > :31:22.You are invisible. If you don't do politics, politics will do you.

:31:23. > :31:29.It is probably not the right attitude, we need someone to be

:31:30. > :31:34.running the country. I feel there is a quite a few lies told. Do you care

:31:35. > :31:38.if you're invisible? Yes, but I can't be part of something I don't

:31:39. > :31:43.particularly believe in. Let me read some messages. Mark says, "I

:31:44. > :31:50.despair. It is plain lazy and disrespectful not to vote." Go on,

:31:51. > :31:55.you're laughing Chelsea. It amuses me. Why? It is not lazy in the

:31:56. > :31:59.slightest. I have done research. I've looked into it. I think, you

:32:00. > :32:03.know, you are saying about being invisible. I could vote, I will

:32:04. > :32:08.still be invisible. Nothing is really going to change.

:32:09. > :32:13.Kevin says, "I can't believe the ignorant people on your programme

:32:14. > :32:16.this morning who don't vote." Stupid excuses they are, it won't

:32:17. > :32:22.make a difference or not enough information.

:32:23. > :32:27.Peter, "Non vote, are a disgrace. It should be compulsory." What do you

:32:28. > :32:31.think of that idea? Being forced to vote? That's the reason I don't

:32:32. > :32:36.vote. I have the right and I think people should take that very

:32:37. > :32:41.seriously. Having the right to do or not to do. I think in this country

:32:42. > :32:46.we have a problem with the right. We'll tell somebody they have the

:32:47. > :32:51.right, but then if we're not following the crowd we're wrong. So

:32:52. > :32:56.you say you're exercising a choice? I work for myself. So to not vote

:32:57. > :33:01.doesn't make me lazy. I've exercised a choice the Have you contemplated

:33:02. > :33:05.spoiling your ballot. That's a credible option. I get a lot of

:33:06. > :33:09.people who say nobody on this ballot paper represents me. Nobody has

:33:10. > :33:14.given me something to aspire to or something I want and I say well,

:33:15. > :33:19.spoil your ballot paper and spoil it correctly. Explain how you spoil it

:33:20. > :33:24.correctly? You have to put the X outside the box or you put the X

:33:25. > :33:29.through the entire ballot paper, but what it does, I feel like it sends a

:33:30. > :33:34.better message. A lot of people don't know that though. This is what

:33:35. > :33:40.you do as far as campaigning. So it is just a great big cross like that.

:33:41. > :33:47.How many people can do that? Well, we tell as many young people as we

:33:48. > :33:52.can. That's the existence of Bite The Ballot. Is that something that

:33:53. > :33:56.would appeal to you or not? People are entitled to their opinion, but

:33:57. > :34:01.my opinion stands where it is. Until they shake the system up and shake

:34:02. > :34:06.up our information, carry out promises then I'm going to...

:34:07. > :34:10.Whonchts is going to do the shaking? The people with the money, isn't it?

:34:11. > :34:14.So if you assume that the people with the money are going to do the

:34:15. > :34:19.shaking for you, buff explained they are happy to keep you in the

:34:20. > :34:23.position that you're in... Look at history. It has never been done so

:34:24. > :34:27.what makes you think it will happen in our generation or our time? What

:34:28. > :34:32.makes you think that will be successful? I'm happy that I work

:34:33. > :34:36.with an organisation that's committed to shaking. It starts with

:34:37. > :34:40.individuals like myself who say I'm to the going to sit on the sidelines

:34:41. > :34:44.and be upset with how things are working. Things aren't working in my

:34:45. > :34:50.favour, I'm seeing people receipting me that don't represent me, I don't

:34:51. > :34:55.like the language in Westminster. I don't like politics is so far

:34:56. > :35:03.removed from me. From when you are a business owner and you use services,

:35:04. > :35:08.I wouldn't say voting should be manttry, but being on the voting

:35:09. > :35:13.register should be. Everybody should be registered to vote. Thank you.

:35:14. > :35:17.Good luck with your businesses. Thank you.

:35:18. > :35:20.On the day the election was announced, we took two people

:35:21. > :35:22.who don't really care about politics to parliament for the day.

:35:23. > :35:25.I mean, do you feel Parliament represents you or do you feel

:35:26. > :35:27.it's something that's there as sort of...?

:35:28. > :35:29.I think, I suppose no, we don't really feel it does

:35:30. > :35:32.represent us because we don't understand how it works.

:35:33. > :35:38.That's the thing, you don't learn about politics at school.

:35:39. > :35:45.I personally think maybe people should.

:35:46. > :35:51.We have a peculiar way of speaking to each other

:35:52. > :35:55.Which is I don't refer to you, I refer to the honourable,

:35:56. > :35:57.or Right Honourable lady, which would be you, or member.

:35:58. > :36:00.The reason for that is I speak to you in the third person

:36:01. > :36:03.because it's very difficult to be personally abusive, although some

:36:04. > :36:11.And you can watch that full film - MP For A Day:

:36:12. > :36:13.Who Cares About Politics on the BBC iPlayer page.

:36:14. > :36:21.We've also posted a link on Twitter and Facebook.

:36:22. > :36:24.And we'll be on the road over the next couple of weeks travelling

:36:25. > :36:28.to different corners of the UK to see what you - the voters -

:36:29. > :36:33.Before election day itself we'll be in the Scottish borders

:36:34. > :36:36.But we kick things off next week in Cornwall.

:36:37. > :36:39.So if you live in or know those places then get in touch

:36:40. > :36:42.to give us a better sense of what issues matter to you.

:36:43. > :36:45.We want your suggestions of places to visit and people to talk to.

:36:46. > :36:56.We will speak to the students in this photo. New rules intended to

:36:57. > :36:58.re-Tuesday the amount of time people could be spent on police bail could

:36:59. > :37:05.make things worse. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:37:06. > :37:08.with a summary of today's news. The EU's chief Brexit negotiator,

:37:09. > :37:10.Michel Barnier, has warned that reaching an agreement with the UK

:37:11. > :37:13.over its departure Speaking as he published the EU's

:37:14. > :37:17.plans for the two years of talks, Mr Barnier said Britain should be

:37:18. > :37:20.under no illusion about the process and would have to pay

:37:21. > :37:37.for commitments it has made Some have created the illusion that

:37:38. > :37:43.Brexit would have no material impact on our lives or that negotiations

:37:44. > :37:51.can be concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case.

:37:52. > :37:53.Today marks ten years since the disappearance

:37:54. > :37:55.of Madeleine McCann, The BBC's Panorama programme has

:37:56. > :37:57.learnt that Portuguese detectives never believed the main British

:37:58. > :38:00.police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong.

:38:01. > :38:03.The three-year-old went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da

:38:04. > :38:06.Despite extensive international inquiries, no firm leads have been

:38:07. > :38:13.found and the investigations remain open.

:38:14. > :38:15.The Sun newspaper says thousands of the new one

:38:16. > :38:17.pound coins have cracked, because of flaws

:38:18. > :38:20.The coins which came into circulation in March

:38:21. > :38:26.But the newspaper says it has seen evidence that the pound can be

:38:27. > :38:28.warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre

:38:29. > :38:37.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:38:38. > :38:50.Last night was another evening on which Cristiano Ronaldo wowed

:38:51. > :38:53.He scored a hat-trick in Real Madrid's 3-0

:38:54. > :38:56.Champions League semi final first leg win over city rivals Atletico

:38:57. > :39:00.and stay on course to win the trophy for the third time in four years.

:39:01. > :39:02.Colin Jackson believes his entire career will be tarnished

:39:03. > :39:04.if proposals to scrap athletics world records set before

:39:05. > :39:07.The European Athletics Taskforce thinks erasing records set

:39:08. > :39:09.from before doping samples were retained, could help

:39:10. > :39:18.After appearing at three Olympic Games, the 11-time British javelin

:39:19. > :39:20.Champion Goldie Sayers has announced her retirement

:39:21. > :39:24.She's still waiting to find out if she'll be awarded bronze

:39:25. > :39:26.for the Beijing Games where the athlete ahead of her

:39:27. > :39:31.And world number one Andy Murray says he expects Maria Sharapova

:39:32. > :39:34.to be given wildcard entry into this year's Wimbledon qualifiers.

:39:35. > :39:36.Former champion Sharapova recently returned to competition

:39:37. > :39:44.That's all the sport for now. I will have more in Newsroom Live after

:39:45. > :39:48.11am. "Young black men don't grow up

:39:49. > :39:51.thinking they'll make it here. That was the intended message behind

:39:52. > :39:55.this photo of 14 black male students They got together to

:39:56. > :39:58.pose because in 2015 - of the 3,400 new undergraduates

:39:59. > :40:00.accepted into the university - 23 black women were

:40:01. > :40:12.accepted that year. We can speak now

:40:13. > :40:23.to some of them now. Jimi Babasola is 20,

:40:24. > :40:25.and is an international He studies theology,

:40:26. > :40:33.religion and philosophy. And in our Cambridge

:40:34. > :40:37.studio is Ore Ogunbiyi She's 19 and is currently

:40:38. > :40:48.President of the university's Whose idea was it? I got in touch

:40:49. > :40:54.with the committee. We pulled together a few guys that we knew and

:40:55. > :41:07.I got the ra and I said, "Let's make it happen." Tell us more? I came to

:41:08. > :41:13.the UK for A-levels and diversity. And the message you want to send

:41:14. > :41:18.from this photo? To encourage young black men to believe that they can

:41:19. > :41:22.come here. There is this image basically that they may have about

:41:23. > :41:27.what the average or the typical Cambridge student is like and they

:41:28. > :41:31.feel they won't fit in here. We want to get the message out that they

:41:32. > :41:37.will and there is a place for them here. Peter, what do you think the

:41:38. > :41:41.stereotypical image of a came bridge under graduate is? That's a very

:41:42. > :41:47.good question. Often not people who look like us. I think the archetypal

:41:48. > :41:52.image of a Cambridge student is typically someone who is maybe

:41:53. > :41:55.Caucasian and doesn't come from backgrounds like us so it is

:41:56. > :41:59.important we challenge the stereotypes because perception is

:42:00. > :42:05.key. What is your background, Peter, if you don't mind me asking? I grew

:42:06. > :42:07.up in East Londonment my parents are from Nigeria and that's about it

:42:08. > :42:11.really. Right. What's your experience been like at Cambridge?

:42:12. > :42:15.My experience has been quite interesting. It has been quite

:42:16. > :42:18.interesting. In terms of this issue specifically I feel that there are a

:42:19. > :42:26.lot of initiatives that are being done so we've got the likes of the

:42:27. > :42:30.ACS and the fly network and the race equality which are trying to balance

:42:31. > :42:34.out the under representations of people like myself being at the

:42:35. > :42:39.institution, but my experience has been quite interesting so far.

:42:40. > :42:43.Jimmy, in terms of you wanting to get this message out there, I mean,

:42:44. > :42:53.this photo has been shared, I don't know how many times. So it's

:42:54. > :42:55.working. Yeah. Yes, it is. And it is really important to stress it to

:42:56. > :42:59.everyone. Everyone has the potential to get here should not think they

:43:00. > :43:03.don't have the opportunity because they do and that's the big problem

:43:04. > :43:09.we are having with young people. But you have got to put some work in?

:43:10. > :43:13.Yes, yes, definitely. You must be delighted with the way this has been

:43:14. > :43:16.shared around the world? Yeah, definitely, certainly. It's

:43:17. > :43:21.unprecedented. I don't think we thought we would get this amount of

:43:22. > :43:25.responses. It has been crazy, but we have to obviously, the point is that

:43:26. > :43:28.the university can do all these amazing things, but if we are not

:43:29. > :43:32.encouraging people out there to apply, we won't change the numbers

:43:33. > :43:38.and the message was to empower and we can inspire young black people

:43:39. > :43:42.there and encourage them that Cambridge is within their reach and

:43:43. > :43:44.we have been really proud to have been part of this. Thank you very

:43:45. > :43:50.much for talking to us. Cambridge University have told us

:43:51. > :43:53.in a statement, "We aim to widen participation whilst maintaining

:43:54. > :43:54.high academic standards. We will continue to work hard

:43:55. > :43:57.with all parties to raise aspirations and attainment

:43:58. > :43:58.to improve access The banking giant JP Morgan has

:43:59. > :44:05.announced plans to move hundreds of its London-based bankers out

:44:06. > :44:09.of the UK into other parts of the EU With me is BBC Business

:44:10. > :44:24.Presenter Vishala Sri-Pathma. Tell us more? They are deciding to

:44:25. > :44:28.move hundreds of jobs from their London based banks to their European

:44:29. > :44:33.offices. These are existing office they have in Dublin, Frankfurt, and

:44:34. > :44:37.also Luxembourg. So they're not actually opening more offices in

:44:38. > :44:41.Europe, but they are relocating the balance from London. They are going

:44:42. > :44:44.to do that as soon as we leave the single market here in Britainment

:44:45. > :44:46.they think it is the best way to ensure services are going to be

:44:47. > :44:50.smooth for their clients after we leave. OK. So they are not going to

:44:51. > :44:53.wait for Britain to come up with a trade deal with the other 27 EU

:44:54. > :44:58.nations. They are just taking that decision? That's right. It is not

:44:59. > :45:04.hugely surprising, the boss of JP Morgan did say that he might be

:45:05. > :45:09.relocating up to 4,000 jobs after Brexit. He didn't confirm whether it

:45:10. > :45:13.was going to be more or less in January. It has been a long time

:45:14. > :45:19.coming. We had Deutsche Bank saying last week they would move 4,000

:45:20. > :45:23.because of Brexit. That's quite a considerable amount and Barclays as

:45:24. > :45:25.well have said they are going to activate their back-up plan in the

:45:26. > :45:30.next six months as well. Thank you very much.

:45:31. > :45:33.Next to the US town of Huntingdon, in the state of West Virginia,

:45:34. > :45:36.where the rate of people dying from drug overdoses is more than ten

:45:37. > :45:41.The local authorities say the city and surrounding county

:45:42. > :45:45.are in the grip of a heroin epidemic, with more than 1 in 10

:45:46. > :45:46.residents thought to suffer from addiction to prescription

:45:47. > :45:54.drugs, heroin and stronger opioid drugs.

:45:55. > :45:56.They pin the cause of the epidemic on prescription painkillers,

:45:57. > :45:58.which were freely available until recently.

:45:59. > :46:00.They claim that when there was a clamp-down on the pills,

:46:01. > :46:04.Now they're taking legal action against the companies they allege

:46:05. > :46:06.brought addiction to Huntington by the oversupply of

:46:07. > :46:12.Meanwhile, Huntington's emergency services are stretched thin dealing

:46:13. > :46:14.with at times around five overdoses a day.

:46:15. > :46:16.A warning -- this film by our video journalists Tom Bateman

:46:17. > :46:18.and Howard Johnson contains distressing images from

:46:19. > :46:29.the very beginning - it lasts around eight mins.

:46:30. > :46:32.the very beginning - it lasts around four mins.

:46:33. > :47:10.Steve Williams, Mayor of the City of Huntington, West Virginia.

:47:11. > :47:13.Huntington is a town of just under 50,000 people,

:47:14. > :47:16.Yet over a five-year period, just a five-year period,

:47:17. > :47:18.there was over 40 million doses of opiates that were distributed

:47:19. > :47:45.Most of our call-outs now are for drugs.

:47:46. > :47:47.They probably make up somewhere around a third of our calls.

:47:48. > :47:50.Fires, generally, are about 15% to 10% of our calls,

:47:51. > :48:14.of a middle-aged male in a local grocery store.

:48:15. > :48:23.He's been reported 911 and we're currently there now.

:48:24. > :48:36.It's been a while since you've done it?

:48:37. > :48:38.Done it, or you been doing it for a while?

:48:39. > :48:43.Go ahead, stand up here, we're going to stand up

:48:44. > :48:48.Can I just ask you, did you start on opioids first

:48:49. > :48:57.Uh, just, I was, I was on pain pills, and actually I've been

:48:58. > :49:06.I would just as soon be able to hear from these companies that say,

:49:07. > :49:09.we'll come in and we'll partner with you to be able to fight

:49:10. > :49:11.this addiction rather than spend their time saying,

:49:12. > :49:16.it's not our fault, we're just a business.

:49:17. > :49:20.When I was in the investment business, if I was giving advice

:49:21. > :49:22.to somebody that caused harm to them, I would lose my

:49:23. > :49:26.career, lose my licence, and possibly have to pay money.

:49:27. > :49:54.And there's plenty of harm that we can point to all around.

:49:55. > :49:58.The drugs epidemic in the US state of west Virginia.

:49:59. > :50:01.People kept on police bail for months, or even years,

:50:02. > :50:03.say it left them feeling suicidal and unable to move

:50:04. > :50:10.New rules mean people can now only be kept on bail for 28 days but this

:50:11. > :50:13.programme has heard from senior police officers and defence lawyers

:50:14. > :50:21.that in reality it won't change the length of time people

:50:22. > :50:24.are investigated for - and may even be counterproductive.

:50:25. > :50:25.The Police Federation of England

:50:26. > :50:28.is simply unrealistic for complex investigations.

:50:29. > :50:31.We played you our reporter John Owen's full film earlier -

:50:32. > :50:46.Pre-charge bail is a police power that allows a suspect to be

:50:47. > :50:48.released from custody whilst a crime is investigated.

:50:49. > :50:49.With an obligation to return for further questioning,

:50:50. > :50:58.Thousands of people spend time on pre-charge bail every year.

:50:59. > :51:00.Some spend many months under police scrutiny before even

:51:01. > :51:04.A few weeks ago, new restrictions came into effect designed to reduce

:51:05. > :51:11.the length of time that suspects spend under investigation.

:51:12. > :51:14.The new rules say that the length of time a person can be kept

:51:15. > :51:17.on pre-charge bail will be limited to an initial 28 days,

:51:18. > :51:21.but that a senior police officer can extend a person's bail time up

:51:22. > :51:24.After that, a magistrate can grant further extensions.

:51:25. > :51:27.But as the new rules come into effect, this programme has

:51:28. > :51:29.heard concerns that it won't address the problem they are

:51:30. > :51:33.These new rules don't do anything to ensure that investigations

:51:34. > :51:35.in general are going to be resolved more swiftly.

:51:36. > :51:39.Under the old rules would be bailed and given a date

:51:40. > :51:43.Now, that might be an illusory date, but at least there is something

:51:44. > :51:46.for that person to see the police are working to words.

:51:47. > :51:48.There isn't going to be any sort of framework like that

:51:49. > :51:51.for what is likely to be the majority of people released

:51:52. > :51:54.from the police station still under investigation but prior to charge.

:51:55. > :51:57.And I fear that what we are going to find is that investigations

:51:58. > :51:59.overall will actually take longer to resolve than they did

:52:00. > :52:10.As well as concerns from senior police officers

:52:11. > :52:14.We have a police service that is on its knees.

:52:15. > :52:20.28 days just simply is not realistic.

:52:21. > :52:22.David Prince spent two years under police investigation

:52:23. > :52:25.after being caught up in a complex fraud case.

:52:26. > :52:28.He was unaware of any proceedings against him until ?31,000

:52:29. > :52:30.suddenly disappeared from his business account.

:52:31. > :52:33.As the investigation progressed, he had almost 50 items of personal

:52:34. > :52:35.property confiscated, and the police throws

:52:36. > :52:43.He describes the psychological pressure of spending time

:52:44. > :52:49.I'd sold everything that I owned of any value.

:52:50. > :52:55.A lot of the depression kicked in after I was arrested

:52:56. > :52:59.And so a few months after that, I attempted to commit suicide,

:53:00. > :53:01.and for another twice after that I attempted to commit

:53:02. > :53:14.You attempted suicide on three occasions?

:53:15. > :53:18.You must have been in a very dark place.

:53:19. > :53:23.Having your whole life turned upside down, everything

:53:24. > :53:26.taken away from you, your business taken away from you,

:53:27. > :53:28.your personal accounts taken away from you.

:53:29. > :53:37.You feel like you've had a crime done to you by the state.

:53:38. > :53:40.Let's talk now to former Met Police Chief Superintendent, Dal Babu -

:53:41. > :53:43.he says the Home Office is simplifying the bail process

:53:44. > :53:49.Also David Prince, who you saw in that film who spent two years

:53:50. > :53:52.on police bail and says he became suicidal as a result

:53:53. > :53:55.of the stress and financial ruin that the investigation brought him.

:53:56. > :53:57.Also here is criminal lawyer Nick Barnard -

:53:58. > :53:59.he's encouraged by the cap and says if police investigations

:54:00. > :54:01.were quick enough, the change wouldn't have been needed.

:54:02. > :54:06.Mr Ban at, as a criminal solicitor you are encouraged by this reform? I

:54:07. > :54:08.think it is a start, it is not a silver bullet. Resources need to

:54:09. > :54:12.progress along with attitudes along with it but it is good that the law

:54:13. > :54:18.is recognised that a good place to start addressing it is that the

:54:19. > :54:23.police station. You talked eloquently about the impact

:54:24. > :54:28.physically and mentally. Tell us about the damage to your repetition

:54:29. > :54:31.that prolonged bailed it to you. I worked in quite a small industry so

:54:32. > :54:37.word had got around about the industry and about the case. So I

:54:38. > :54:42.found businesses I had traditionally dealt with and certainly was in

:54:43. > :54:47.negotiations with longer took my call is all returned my calls. So I

:54:48. > :54:58.found my marketplace that I had worked so hard to get, I had no

:54:59. > :55:02.access to any more. Tamme one, what reform tonne difference will this

:55:03. > :55:08.make -- Dal Babu, what difference will dismay? Very little in my view.

:55:09. > :55:13.The average case is 56 days. I think it is a knee jerk reaction from some

:55:14. > :55:20.of the high profile cases, where individuals have been on sale for a

:55:21. > :55:24.long time. -- been on bail. The reality of the situation is pleased

:55:25. > :55:28.that have gone down by 20,000. We are having a system where they are

:55:29. > :55:36.expecting police to complete this to patients in 28 days. I'm not sure

:55:37. > :55:39.they are expecting that, what has changed is this bail bit. An

:55:40. > :55:47.investigation can go on for as long as it goes on for, is that fair?

:55:48. > :55:53.That's right. So in practical terms will it make that much difference

:55:54. > :55:58.the suspects? If you were given the choice to having to say to a

:55:59. > :56:03.customer, and a player, a new partner, yes, I was arrested and I

:56:04. > :56:06.am still on Bale, 30 years, was interviewed but released without

:56:07. > :56:11.condition and the investigation is ongoing, I think the latter is

:56:12. > :56:16.preferable. Do you agree, David? I do. My main concern with the whole

:56:17. > :56:23.process is I was arrested so early on in the process, I think the

:56:24. > :56:29.police should have done more work prior to the arrest. In a way it

:56:30. > :56:36.puts the onus on the police to work harder to get correct information.

:56:37. > :56:39.20,000 less police officers in the last seven years. The reality is

:56:40. > :56:45.forensically sources have been reduced. It is not realistic. I

:56:46. > :56:49.think the difficulty is if you are on Bale, at least you know you are

:56:50. > :56:53.on Bale. There are checks and balances. If you don't know you are

:56:54. > :56:58.on bail, then in some ways you don't actually know what is happening. My

:56:59. > :57:01.concern is it is a knee jerk reaction, the government over simple

:57:02. > :57:05.fight it. I have not met a single police officer who said this is a

:57:06. > :57:09.good idea. You have an National Chief police council, the Police

:57:10. > :57:14.Federation, and I think your clip that you showed really emphasised

:57:15. > :57:23.that they all agree it is not going to be a good idea. As a get out of

:57:24. > :57:27.jail card for the government, effectively we are back to where we

:57:28. > :57:30.are, and then if necessary magistrates can extend it beyond

:57:31. > :57:33.that. It is a poorly thought out programme. They have not really

:57:34. > :57:37.understood the consequences of people who actually are in the

:57:38. > :57:42.business. People in the business say it will not work. Is it going to

:57:43. > :57:45.work? One final point about the safety of people as well. Sometimes

:57:46. > :57:51.you arrest the vote you keep them on Bale. The danger is that you can't

:57:52. > :57:55.those people, those restrictions. They might disappear but they might

:57:56. > :58:04.actually go and attack individuals as well. If there is evidence that

:58:05. > :58:11.suspects are member is of the public, they can still be on Bale.

:58:12. > :58:15.-- on bail. And the suggestion that currently people who are on Bale are

:58:16. > :58:21.somehow better informed than people who are not, think the word used in

:58:22. > :58:24.the clip was that bail boots are illusory. Thank you for the thanks

:58:25. > :58:26.for all of you coming on the programme. Thank you for your

:58:27. > :58:33.company today. Have a good day. Come on, come on, come on,

:58:34. > :58:38.come on, come on! The challenges are about to get

:58:39. > :58:40.a lot tougher. Our nine best cooks

:58:41. > :58:45.all fighting it out because one of them is going

:58:46. > :58:49.to be our champion.