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:00:15. > :00:20.Welcome to the programme. The top story, Moors murderer Ian Brady has

:00:21. > :00:25.died. Along with his girlfriend, Myra Hindley, he killed five

:00:26. > :00:29.children in the nineteen 60s. He did not just destroy five young

:00:30. > :00:34.children's lives, it was their relentless appeals and false hopes

:00:35. > :00:39.that they gave the families for more than 50 years, destroyed all of the

:00:40. > :00:42.families as well, even to this day. Relatives say his death does not end

:00:43. > :00:49.their nightmare. We will speak to some of those who have met Ian

:00:50. > :00:53.Brady. Also, the 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds who are trying to make

:00:54. > :00:58.sure you turn out to vote, even though THEY are too young to do the

:00:59. > :01:06.century Jeremy Corbyn or Theresa May. Theresa May and the strong and

:01:07. > :01:11.stable leadership... Strong and stable leadership... We will speak

:01:12. > :01:19.to some of those canvassers after half past nine. And Sex And The City

:01:20. > :01:31.star Kim Cattrall will be here later. I am counting... And if you

:01:32. > :01:36.have got a question for her, get in touch this morning. We will talk

:01:37. > :01:47.about ageism in Hollywood and her incredible career.

:01:48. > :01:53.Good morning and welcome to the programme. This is the week when

:01:54. > :01:56.most of the parties set out their manifestos, we get some promises and

:01:57. > :02:00.some figures. What they say they will do if they win enough votes to

:02:01. > :02:07.form a government. Labour will launch at 11 o'clock. And Plaid

:02:08. > :02:11.Cymru will launch their at ten o'clock. We will also talk about the

:02:12. > :02:15.new McDonald's advertisement about a boy grieving for his father, which

:02:16. > :02:17.some say is offensive. These get in touch with us. The top

:02:18. > :02:29.Moors murderer Ian Brady has died. He and his partner tortured and

:02:30. > :02:34.murdered five children in the '60s. Myra Hindley died in prison in 2002.

:02:35. > :02:38.Origi, who was believed to be terminally ill with cancer, had been

:02:39. > :02:41.receiving palliative care at Ashworth Hospital, a high security

:02:42. > :02:46.psychiatric unit on Merseyside. Keith Doyle reports.

:02:47. > :02:51.on Saddleworth Moor shocked and horrified the public.

:02:52. > :02:53.More than 50 years later, the Moors murderer, Ian Brady,

:02:54. > :02:55.has died at Ashworth High Secure Hospital, on Merseyside.

:02:56. > :02:58.He had been on hunger strike but force-fed for many years,

:02:59. > :03:05.These drawings are from the last time he was seen in public,

:03:06. > :03:13.He died shortly after 6pm last night.

:03:14. > :03:16.Ian Brady was a petty criminal who grew up in Glasgow.

:03:17. > :03:19.The couple started a relationship, and Brady led her

:03:20. > :03:29.Outwardly, a normal couple, they became serial killers,

:03:30. > :03:33.When Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were arrested, they said nothing,

:03:34. > :03:34.challenging detectives to prove their guilt.

:03:35. > :03:37.They remained silent even when police had found three

:03:38. > :03:39.children's bodies in shallow graves on Saddleworth Moor.

:03:40. > :03:45.Until her death in 2002, his accomplice blamed him.

:03:46. > :03:47.In the 1980s, the two killers made full confessions,

:03:48. > :03:52.and went back to the Moors to help search for other victims.

:03:53. > :03:54.Pauline Reade's body was eventually recovered,

:03:55. > :03:56.but Keith Bennett's grave has never been found.

:03:57. > :04:00.I wanted one of them to come up with the truth, so I could nail

:04:01. > :04:03.the two of them, nail them for the rest of their life,

:04:04. > :04:07.I wanted them prosecuted for Keith's death.

:04:08. > :04:09.His mother, Winnie Johnson, died in 2012, never knowing

:04:10. > :04:15.Ian Brady's sadistic crimes shocked the nation,

:04:16. > :04:18.and will be recorded as among the most infamous ever

:04:19. > :04:30.We can speak to our correspondent Judith Moritz, at Ashworth Hospital.

:04:31. > :04:36.Greater Manchester Police have released a statement? Yes, in the

:04:37. > :04:40.last hour, Greater Manchester Police have said that the case of the Moors

:04:41. > :04:43.murders has not been closed and will not be closed whilst they are still

:04:44. > :04:52.receiving information about where Keith Bennett's remains are. To

:04:53. > :04:59.remind you, of the file five child victims, four of them were found,

:05:00. > :05:03.but Keith Bennett's body was never discovered, and that was the last

:05:04. > :05:07.piece of information which Ian Brady held over Keith's family and over

:05:08. > :05:12.his mother, who you saw in that report, who I interviewed in 2012,

:05:13. > :05:17.she told me that by not knowing where Keith is, that that had put

:05:18. > :05:20.her through hell, and she wanted Ian Brady to go to hell. Greater

:05:21. > :05:26.Manchester Police have said today that whilst they are not actively

:05:27. > :05:28.searching the Moors for Keith's body, they are receiving

:05:29. > :05:32.information, they say not a week goes by when they do not get

:05:33. > :05:42.information from people who bought to know where Keith is. That was the

:05:43. > :05:48.word that the police used. -- people who to know. The only two people

:05:49. > :05:56.knew for certain, and that was Myra Hindley and Ian Brady.

:05:57. > :06:01.Jeremy Corbyn will today unveil the Labour Party

:06:02. > :06:03.general election manifesto, calling it a "radical and

:06:04. > :06:10.A draft version of the document was leaked last week,

:06:11. > :06:12.including commitments to strengthen trade union rights and

:06:13. > :06:18.The BBC now understands the final version will also include a pledge

:06:19. > :06:36.Plaid Cymru will also launch its manifesto today,

:06:37. > :06:38.promising to make the best of Brexit for Wales.

:06:39. > :06:40.The party's promising to invest in hospitals, schools and roads,

:06:41. > :06:43.and will pledge to ensure European grants to Wales are

:06:44. > :06:47.Plaid's Leader Leanne Wood wants the Welsh Government to have a say

:06:48. > :06:54.It is also promising to build new hospitals, schools and railways.

:06:55. > :07:01.The risk is that an increased Tory mandate, say, an extra 100 seats for

:07:02. > :07:05.the Tories, that would be devastating for our communities here

:07:06. > :07:10.in Wales, for our public services and for the very status of our

:07:11. > :07:14.nation even. So, a Lott is at stake and our action is designed to

:07:15. > :07:17.provide solutions to some of the challenges that we face.

:07:18. > :07:20.People setting up new businesses will get help with their living

:07:21. > :07:22.costs, if the Liberal Democrats are elected to government.

:07:23. > :07:25.The party will introduce its business programme with a pledge

:07:26. > :07:27.to introduce a ?100-a-week allowance to help entrepreneurs

:07:28. > :07:29.in the first six months of a new business venture.

:07:30. > :07:31.Leader Tim Farron will say the Conservatives are focusing

:07:32. > :07:34.on helping big business and not small start-ups.

:07:35. > :07:41.The White House is denying President Trump shared national

:07:42. > :07:43.security secrets with the Russian foreign minister during his

:07:44. > :07:50.The Washington Post claims he gave Sergei Lavrov intelligence

:07:51. > :08:00.One official who was at the meeting said the claims were false. But a

:08:01. > :08:02.senior senator has said that the administration seems to be in a

:08:03. > :08:04.downward spiral. The meeting itself was controversial

:08:05. > :08:25.enough, coming just a day after the President fired his FBI

:08:26. > :08:27.director over an ongoing investigation into

:08:28. > :08:29.campaign links to Russia. Now the Washington Post

:08:30. > :08:31.is reporting that, in the course of their discussions,

:08:32. > :08:33.the President disclosed classified information that could jeopardise

:08:34. > :08:35.a crucial source of intelligence on so-called Islamic State,

:08:36. > :08:37.revealing, it is alleged, not only the specifics

:08:38. > :08:40.of an IS plot, which is thought to centre on the use of laptop

:08:41. > :08:42.computers on aircraft, but the city from which that

:08:43. > :08:44.threat was detected. The nature of the information

:08:45. > :08:46.that the President provided to the Russians would allow them,

:08:47. > :08:49.if they - would allow the Russians to reverse-engineer,

:08:50. > :08:51.essentially, that information, In other words, he said so much that

:08:52. > :08:55.one could figure it out. Once the meeting was over,

:08:56. > :08:58.the White House reportedly called senior intelligence chiefs to warn

:08:59. > :09:02.them of what happened. It now finds itself embroiled

:09:03. > :09:04.in a far larger damage-limitation exercise, prompting administration

:09:05. > :09:06.officials to flatly deny At no time, at no time,

:09:07. > :09:15.were intelligence sources or methods discussed,

:09:16. > :09:18.and the President did not disclose any military operations that

:09:19. > :09:23.were not already publicly known. That the President might have shared

:09:24. > :09:25.classified information with America's prime adversary

:09:26. > :09:27.is causing concern, even The Police Federation says cuts

:09:28. > :09:40.to forces in England and Wales have left the service

:09:41. > :09:42.at "breaking point". Its chairman, Steve White,

:09:43. > :09:44.will tell its annual conference in Birmingham that officers need

:09:45. > :09:46.better support, particularly if they're involved in a fatal

:09:47. > :09:49.shooting or a police pursuit. But the chairman of the Independent

:09:50. > :09:53.Police Complaints Commission, Dame Anne Owers, has told

:09:54. > :09:55.the BBC her staff still face resistance when they try

:09:56. > :09:57.to investigate incidents. The leaders of the main nurses'

:09:58. > :10:01.union say a fall in the number of full-time school nurses

:10:02. > :10:03.in England could be putting The Royal College of Nursing also

:10:04. > :10:10.says there has been a 16% reduction They're also highlighting

:10:11. > :10:13.a reduction in the number Campaigners say a rare porpoise

:10:14. > :10:21.is facing imminent extinction unless the Mexican government

:10:22. > :10:23.extends and enforces a ban on the use of a certain

:10:24. > :10:26.type of fishing net. There are thought to be just 30

:10:27. > :10:29.vaquita porpoises left in the Gulf The World Wildlife Fund has called

:10:30. > :10:34.for urgent action to clamp The porpoises are getting caught

:10:35. > :10:40.in gillnets, which are hung vertically to trap fish,

:10:41. > :10:54.despite a ban on their use. That is a summary of the news. On

:10:55. > :10:58.the McDonald's advertisement, which some people think is offensive, it

:10:59. > :11:02.is about a little boy coping with the loss of his dad, this tweet

:11:03. > :11:09.says, we think it is really cute and touching. I lost my dad four years

:11:10. > :11:13.ago, and it doesn't bother me. Time for the sport now. And the FA

:11:14. > :11:18.chairman, Greg Clarke, has been talking about the difficulties of

:11:19. > :11:22.gay players coming out? Gumby absolutely right, not so surprising

:11:23. > :11:25.but really interesting comments from the Football Association, because

:11:26. > :11:29.Greg Clarke has admitted that his organisation is actually failing gay

:11:30. > :11:33.footballers. He says that he is yet to meet one player who felt

:11:34. > :11:37.comfortable enough to speak to him. He has also admitted that football

:11:38. > :11:43.is probably as couple of decades away from being as inclusive as the

:11:44. > :11:47.women's game. He was speaking at a Stonewalled summit in Manchester,

:11:48. > :11:56.where he was discussing the problems faced by the LBW GT -- by the Audi

:11:57. > :12:01.BT community in football. His conclusion was that despite attempts

:12:02. > :12:05.to engage with gay footballers, they have not worked because players are

:12:06. > :12:10.reticent to talk to him. He did feel that progress had been made but that

:12:11. > :12:13.the FA now needs to take a lead on homophobia in football and to

:12:14. > :12:18.redouble its efforts on inclusion. His concern he said was not only for

:12:19. > :12:21.people at the top level, but also young players coming through the

:12:22. > :12:31.academies. I am just as worried about the kids in the academies, if

:12:32. > :12:37.you think, one in 10,000 of us is going to make it to play in the

:12:38. > :12:41.Premier League, and, they think, I'm not sure how my coach or manager

:12:42. > :12:45.feels about this, so why would I make it known? Some really

:12:46. > :12:49.interesting comments from FA boss Craig Clarke come admitting that

:12:50. > :12:53.there are serious issues in the men's game which need to be

:12:54. > :12:58.addressed. The Ashes series Down Under could be in doubt, is that

:12:59. > :13:02.white? Yes, absolutely, it is incredible, really. But that Ashes

:13:03. > :13:07.series could be in doubt in November because of a players' contract

:13:08. > :13:10.dispute. In March, Cricket Australia opposed salary increases for men and

:13:11. > :13:14.women, but this would mean that players no longer receive a

:13:15. > :13:19.percentage of total cricket revenue. This offer was rejected by the

:13:20. > :13:24.players. As a result, with contracts running out on the 30th of June,

:13:25. > :13:27.there is a stand-off between Cricket Australia and the association which

:13:28. > :13:30.represents the players. Opening batsman David Warner has been

:13:31. > :13:34.especially vocal about the issue. He said, if it comes to the extreme,

:13:35. > :13:39.there might not even be an Australian team for the Ashes. He

:13:40. > :13:43.said there would be uncertainty over what team Australia could field

:13:44. > :13:49.after the 30th of June. The Ashes is due to take place from November to

:13:50. > :13:55.January. Straneo's elite female players have shown solidarity with

:13:56. > :13:55.their male counterparts running the offer from crooked Australia to

:13:56. > :14:02.double the pay of elite women. Over a period of two

:14:03. > :14:04.years in the 1960s, Ian Brady and his lover,

:14:05. > :14:06.Myra Hindley, kidnapped and murdered five children aged between 10 and 17

:14:07. > :14:09.in north-west England. The details of the crimes shocked

:14:10. > :14:11.the nation, and continue to, compounded by the complete lack

:14:12. > :14:14.of remorse either showed during NEWSREEL: The Pennine moorlands,

:14:15. > :14:25.the scene of one of the most intensive murder hunts

:14:26. > :14:27.of the century. Police and hundreds of volunteers

:14:28. > :14:29.continue their gruesome search for the bodies of murder victims,

:14:30. > :14:32.working on a scant tip-off that the bleak Moors hide

:14:33. > :14:34.the evidence of a mass murderer. A mobile police headquarters

:14:35. > :14:42.directs operations. Police and tracker dogs have stepped

:14:43. > :14:45.up the search since the body of ten-year-old Ann Downey

:14:46. > :14:48.was found here. She had been missing

:14:49. > :14:53.since last Boxing Day. Nearby, the hunt also

:14:54. > :14:55.revealed the grave of Our cameraman was on the spot

:14:56. > :14:59.when more clues were discovered. Tests may prove them to be

:15:00. > :15:09.of vital importance. Over the course of the next

:15:10. > :15:11.few minutes, we'll the details of the way

:15:12. > :15:15.they died are upsetting. The five children Ian Brady

:15:16. > :15:17.and Myra Hindley sexually 16-year-old Pauline Reade,

:15:18. > :15:24.a neighbour of Hindley's who disappeared on her way

:15:25. > :15:27.to a dance - the couple had planned what they called

:15:28. > :15:29.her "perfect murder". It was two decades before

:15:30. > :15:31.her parents found out A 16-minute tape of her murder

:15:32. > :15:39.was played in court. Four months after Pauline vanished,

:15:40. > :15:42.12-year-old John Kilbride became the second victim -

:15:43. > :15:44.Hindley and Brady offered him a lift 12-year-old Keith Bennett

:15:45. > :15:52.was murdered in a lay-by near Saddleworth Moor -

:15:53. > :15:58.he'd also been sexually assaulted 10-year-old Lesley Ann Downey,

:15:59. > :16:01.who the couple approached at a fair by asking her help with

:16:02. > :16:03.some dropped shopping. They took her back to the house

:16:04. > :16:07.and raped her before strangling her. Her step-father, Alan West,

:16:08. > :16:09.died last year, in an interview before his death he had

:16:10. > :16:26.said this of Brady... An apprentice engineer -

:16:27. > :16:28.who was beaten to death The body of one of his

:16:29. > :16:32.victims, Keith Bennett, has never been found

:16:33. > :16:36.and Ian Brady repeatedly refused Keith Bennett's mother -

:16:37. > :16:39.Winnie Johnson pleaded with his killers to reveal

:16:40. > :16:42.where his body had been left so she could give

:16:43. > :16:47.him a proper burial. I just hope he'll come forward

:16:48. > :16:50.and let me know where he is, Because I've had enough, I just want

:16:51. > :16:57.it all over and done with. I've have 40 years of

:16:58. > :17:03.this, over 40 years. And I wantit coming to an end,

:17:04. > :17:06.and I want Keith found. I've asked him before,

:17:07. > :17:11.when I found out that I'd got cancer and I said, "I want to know

:17:12. > :17:14.where Keith is before anything happens to me," because I didn't

:17:15. > :17:17.know I was going to live, I didn't know I was going to die,

:17:18. > :17:20.so wanted the truth. She died never knowing

:17:21. > :17:22.where her son was buried. In a statement today

:17:23. > :17:30.Greater Manchester Police say they'll never close

:17:31. > :17:35.the Moors Murder case and that, "Hardly a week hardly

:17:36. > :17:38.goes by when we do not receive some information

:17:39. > :17:46.which purports to lead us to Keith but ultimately only two people

:17:47. > :17:48.knew where Keith is." Had Brady

:17:49. > :17:50.and Hindley been caught in the immediate aftermath

:17:51. > :17:52.of 12-year-old John Kilbride's death they would have hanged as the death

:17:53. > :17:55.penalty was still in place. But instead authorities were baffled

:17:56. > :17:57.by what they referred to as the "unrelated" cases,

:17:58. > :17:59.and were left without a single In the meantime, Brady and Hindley

:18:00. > :18:04.were intent on a campaign to corrupt Hindley's brother-in-law,

:18:05. > :18:05.David Smith, and recruit It was David Smith who reported

:18:06. > :18:09.Brady and Hindley to the police when they called at their home,

:18:10. > :18:12.they found the body of Edward Evans. Here's David Smith,

:18:13. > :18:27.speaking in 2011. Not an indication. None whatsoever.

:18:28. > :18:31.He was a slightly eccentric friend. That's all.

:18:32. > :18:37.Ian Brady was 79 when he died at Ashworth psychciatric

:18:38. > :18:42.hospital in Merseyside, 51 years after he was convicted

:18:43. > :18:47.Speaking about the case of victim Lesley Ann Downey,

:18:48. > :18:49.former police officer Norman Brennan told of the "grief and torment"

:18:50. > :18:55.he had seen on the faces of her mother and father.

:18:56. > :19:02.These two individuals, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady,

:19:03. > :19:04.they murdered five young children, one of whom was, whose family

:19:05. > :19:09.And when they murdered her, she was only ten years of age.

:19:10. > :19:11.She was lost on the moors and they recorded what they

:19:12. > :19:25.I remember standing with Anne West, her mother and father

:19:26. > :19:28.a number of times, and I met them dozens of times,

:19:29. > :19:31.and the grief and torment that I saw in their faces was beyond, probably,

:19:32. > :19:35.I've met hundreds of families that have had somebody murdered,

:19:36. > :19:37.and it's always dreadful, there's never a nice way

:19:38. > :19:41.But to know that your daughter was lost, alone and murdered

:19:42. > :19:48.and then actually her death was recorded, the grief can never,

:19:49. > :19:52.And those two individuals, Myra Hindley and Ian Brady,

:19:53. > :19:57.they didn't just destroy five young children's lives, for their

:19:58. > :20:00.relentless appeals and false hopes that they gave the families for over

:20:01. > :20:01.50 years, destroyed all of the families

:20:02. > :20:14.Ian Brady spent 14 years on hunger strike, but in 2013 it was exposed

:20:15. > :20:17.as a charade after an inquest heard he made himself toast most mornings

:20:18. > :20:25.Duncan Staff has made a documentary about Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

:20:26. > :20:29.Brendan Pittaway is a journalist who received dozens of letters

:20:30. > :20:34.from Brady and is in our Salford newsroom.

:20:35. > :20:40.Some are questioning why we're giving the death of Ian Brady

:20:41. > :20:44.airtime. What would you say? It's only to be expected. This brings to

:20:45. > :20:51.a close a traumatic chapter in British criminal history. The events

:20:52. > :20:56.of the mid-1960s still fascinate media and public alike and I think

:20:57. > :21:00.that even after Brady's death that may well continue to be the case,

:21:01. > :21:07.possibly until Keith Bennet's body is recovered from the moors. Duncan

:21:08. > :21:15.Staff what motivated Ian Brady and Myra Hindley? Ian Brady when he met

:21:16. > :21:19.Myra Hindley he had a script and he recognised she was somebody that

:21:20. > :21:24.would be able to help him carry out the script. It and it was the idea

:21:25. > :21:31.of a perfect murder. He thought he could rise above the rest of the

:21:32. > :21:34.world. She and Brady viewed themselves as superior and

:21:35. > :21:41.committing the perfect murder was in a sense a way of confirming that

:21:42. > :21:48.superiority. And 00 had tried to claim that had been manipulated by

:21:49. > :21:54.Brady. And taken along by him, that wasn't the case? When Hindley died I

:21:55. > :21:58.was left her unpublished antibiotic, 30 years of letters and that

:21:59. > :22:03.revealed how the murders came it pass and also her mindset and she

:22:04. > :22:07.wasn't manipulated by Brady. He had the script, but she had the

:22:08. > :22:12.personality that enabled him to live it out and they were locked in this

:22:13. > :22:16.world together and they, appalling as it is, derived satisfaction from

:22:17. > :22:20.the murders and she was as much as part of it as he was. She tried to

:22:21. > :22:26.minimise it because she was trying to get out of prison. Duncan, that's

:22:27. > :22:30.one thing that comes across in the Brady letters. One of the reasons

:22:31. > :22:37.why he broke contact with Myra Hindley because he felt at the trial

:22:38. > :22:41.at inn 1966, he had, for want of a better phrase, tried to take the

:22:42. > :22:45.wrap and tried to minimise the sentence which she might incur as a

:22:46. > :22:52.result of the crimes and when she made a bid for parole, and started

:22:53. > :22:56.to transfer blame to Brady's shoulders, that's when he broke off

:22:57. > :23:00.contact with her. And there was certainly no love lost between him

:23:01. > :23:04.and her in the letters which he had written to me which referred to

:23:05. > :23:09.their relationship. Can you read us some extracts from the letters?

:23:10. > :23:14.Certainly, one of the interesting passages is in a letter from 1989,

:23:15. > :23:20.one of 36 letters, some of them were quite short and clipped and curt and

:23:21. > :23:24.there might be a month's gap between them, others came in flows and it

:23:25. > :23:29.was almost as though they matched his mood. This one refers to four

:23:30. > :23:36.other killings that he was claiming credit for. Two in Greater

:23:37. > :23:42.Manchester. The man on the waste ground behind the station and the

:23:43. > :23:45.woman in the canal which I detailed to Topping, that's Peter Topping the

:23:46. > :23:51.police officer who was leading the reopened investigation. He also

:23:52. > :23:55.says, "I wrote a statement, four pages of full scalp in length to

:23:56. > :24:03.scrath Clyde Police re the murder in Glasgow and a second above Loch

:24:04. > :24:11.Long. The responses was re the man in Glasgow, records don't go back

:24:12. > :24:17.that far. Rethe man in Loch Long there is no record of a missing

:24:18. > :24:23.person." What did the police say? I spoke to the police to try and match

:24:24. > :24:28.Brady's account with the actual police record and there was no

:24:29. > :24:32.definitive answer. I had a conversation, formal conversation

:24:33. > :24:36.with one officer, who blanched at the mention of Brady's name and

:24:37. > :24:41.said, "I'll pretend I didn't hear that because with that man comes a

:24:42. > :24:49.circus." He knew that the attention which might be drawn to an unsolved

:24:50. > :24:52.case or even an allegedly unsolved case which involved Ian Brady would

:24:53. > :24:58.generate huge attention and mean a lot of pressure, additional pressure

:24:59. > :25:02.on Strathclyde Police. Duncan Staff, tell us about the

:25:03. > :25:09.control that Ian Brady continued to try to maintain from behind bars?

:25:10. > :25:13.Well, he was very upset as Brendan said when Myra Hindley ended the

:25:14. > :25:17.relationship and he punished her by revealing there were in fact another

:25:18. > :25:26.two murders and that helped ensure she would die behind bars. He also,

:25:27. > :25:30.speaking to psychiatrist Professor Malcolm McCullagh, he said that what

:25:31. > :25:34.you see in that is the desire for control and the desire for

:25:35. > :25:40.possession of the body. In his words... You're talking about the

:25:41. > :25:45.remains of Keith Bennet The remains of Keith Bennet. And Brady never

:25:46. > :25:50.revealed where they are? In professor McCullagh's view, to use

:25:51. > :25:54.what Brady's thought pattern is, he said final possession is control of

:25:55. > :25:59.the body. I know, you don't know, you want to know, and I'm not going

:26:00. > :26:03.to tell you. There are some papers, are there not, which potentially,

:26:04. > :26:09.potentially, we don't know because we haven't seen them, could, could

:26:10. > :26:16.reveal some details, is this true? Brady did send papers out of

:26:17. > :26:22.Ashworth. Nobody knows what is in the papers. Who did he send them to?

:26:23. > :26:26.To a contact. The person questioned that person. Who knows if there is

:26:27. > :26:29.anything in it. Brady said there was, again I return to Malcolm

:26:30. > :26:35.McCullagh's thought which is the need for control. I don't know if he

:26:36. > :26:38.would want to give up where Keith Bennet was buried. Brady was a very

:26:39. > :26:44.controlling figure. Interestingly in some of the letters he does suggest

:26:45. > :26:48.that he was willing to assist with a more vigorous and reopened

:26:49. > :26:50.investigation to find the body. He actually points out that one of the

:26:51. > :26:54.reasons why Greater Manchester Police were limited in his opinion

:26:55. > :26:59.and the efforts which they made were because he had pointed out that

:27:00. > :27:03.Keith Bennet's body wasn't on the part of the moors which is covered

:27:04. > :27:08.by Greater Manchester, but actually in West Yorkshire. He had suggested

:27:09. > :27:16.that Greater Manchester employ or deploy a squad of 100 officers. He

:27:17. > :27:23.also offered to under go treatment using sodium, a truth drug in an

:27:24. > :27:26.effort to assist. But as Duncan refers, and is apparent from the

:27:27. > :27:32.letters, Brady almost engaged in a game of cat and mouse. It's tease,

:27:33. > :27:35.throwing out some details, sufficient details to interest, but

:27:36. > :27:40.not necessarily sufficient to bring the matter to a close.

:27:41. > :27:43.Can you read us another extract from the letters? Yes, I moon, he

:27:44. > :27:46.actually says as for Keith Bennet the area of the site is in

:27:47. > :27:52.Yorkshire, not Lancashire and should have been dealt with by Yorkshire

:27:53. > :27:56.Police. I have already stated my readiness to questioning under

:27:57. > :28:06.sodium, so-called truth drug, but not by the Manchester Police. Unlike

:28:07. > :28:10.Myra Hindley's alleged willingness to be hype know advertised, I am a

:28:11. > :28:14.patient, not a prisoner and I'm resident in a hospital with the

:28:15. > :28:20.proper facilities and supervise for such an operation. Of course, hard

:28:21. > :28:26.to judge from his mental state whether anything he was writing is

:28:27. > :28:29.true or not? Indeed. There is this fascinating dynamic, the dilemma

:28:30. > :28:36.between whether someone is mad and bad or both. Certainly, I think that

:28:37. > :28:39.in the conversation with psychiatrists that I've spoken to

:28:40. > :28:45.and including some individuals who had previously worked with Brady, he

:28:46. > :28:49.was clearly psychopathic. There are suggestions that he had been

:28:50. > :28:56.suffering from progressive schizophrenia in his final years,

:28:57. > :29:00.but what he did not necessarily lose, despite any failing mental

:29:01. > :29:06.faculties was his grasp of just how important the case is and his ego

:29:07. > :29:16.tism made sure that he was not prepared to show his hand and risk

:29:17. > :29:20.the case itself being relegated. Duncan, they took photos of the

:29:21. > :29:24.killing scenes. They recorded one of their victims as she died. Why would

:29:25. > :29:29.they do that? Again, it's about control and ownership. One of the

:29:30. > :29:32.things that emerged from Myra Hindley's unpublished antibiotic is

:29:33. > :29:36.the taking of photographs was systematic so they took photographs

:29:37. > :29:41.of where they were going Bury victims, they took photographs of

:29:42. > :29:45.the victims once he had been killed and photographs of Myra Hindley

:29:46. > :29:48.posing on the site afterwards. There was nothing accidental, it was

:29:49. > :29:51.entirely planned and we talk about Brady hiding the truth, but Hindley

:29:52. > :29:54.did the same thing. She knew up to the point of her death that the

:29:55. > :29:57.system existed and it only emerged after her death when her estate

:29:58. > :30:01.handed me the material to try and answer how these killings had taken

:30:02. > :30:06.place and to try and help find the final victim.

:30:07. > :30:12.Right. What have Ashworth Hospital said to you? Well, certainly the

:30:13. > :30:17.contact has been fairly brief because, of course, the hospital and

:30:18. > :30:22.the Home Office are keen to make sure that this is just regarded as

:30:23. > :30:26.another patient, another inmate. They don't necessarily want to

:30:27. > :30:32.attach any special significance to Brady and his death even though

:30:33. > :30:36.there is this continuing fascination with the case and the evil deeds of

:30:37. > :30:47.Brady and his accomplice, Myra Hindley. Thank you very much.

:30:48. > :30:50.Labour unveils its manifesto this morning,

:30:51. > :30:56.promising it will govern for the "many not the few".

:30:57. > :30:59.We'll look at whether policies such as a pay levy on salaries

:31:00. > :31:01.above ?330,000 a year, more free childcare,

:31:02. > :31:03.and nationalisation, will be popular with you the voters.

:31:04. > :31:06.And Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall will join us

:31:07. > :31:09.in the studio to talk about the work she's doing to try and combat ageism

:31:10. > :31:19.Greater Manchester Police say they will never close the case

:31:20. > :31:21.of the Moors Murders, despite the death of

:31:22. > :31:26.He had been receiving palliative care in a secure unit

:31:27. > :31:28.at Ashworth Hospital, where he had been

:31:29. > :31:36.Brady and his partner Myra Hindley tortured and murdered five

:31:37. > :31:38.children in the 1960s, burying their bodies

:31:39. > :31:41.Labour will publish its general election

:31:42. > :31:47.The proposals include charging companies a rising levy on salaries

:31:48. > :31:51.above ?330,000 a year, and it's thought people earning over

:31:52. > :31:57.A draft document leaked last week included plans

:31:58. > :32:00.to nationalise the railways, the National Grid and Royal Mail -

:32:01. > :32:03.the official manifesto is expected to include plans to nationalise

:32:04. > :32:13.England's nine regional water companies.

:32:14. > :32:21.This morning on BBC News, Ben Brown will be putting your questions about

:32:22. > :32:22.the Labour manifesto to Sarah Champion. And you can get

:32:23. > :32:26.involved... Plaid Cymru will promise to make

:32:27. > :32:31.the best of Brexit for Wales when it The party wants the Welsh government

:32:32. > :32:35.to have a say on any future UK trade deal -

:32:36. > :32:39.and says it won't rest until "every single penny" of lost EU

:32:40. > :32:41.funding is replaced. It is also promising to build

:32:42. > :32:43.new hospitals, schools, roads and railways as part

:32:44. > :32:45.of a fully-costed The White House has flatly rejected

:32:46. > :32:52.media allegations that President Trump revealed highly

:32:53. > :32:55.classified intelligence about the Islamic State group

:32:56. > :32:58.to the Russian Foreign Minister The claims were made in several

:32:59. > :33:06.American newspapers including President Trump's team have

:33:07. > :33:18.dismissed the reports The president did not disclose any

:33:19. > :33:27.military operations that were not already known, to any other mill

:33:28. > :33:34.military officials who were present. I was in the room, it didn't happen.

:33:35. > :33:39.Nursing leaders have warned that cuts to services in England are

:33:40. > :33:44.jeopardising health. The Royal College of Nursing says the number

:33:45. > :33:49.of health visitors has fallen by 1000 and the number of school nurses

:33:50. > :33:52.is down by 16% since 2010. The Conservatives say they are

:33:53. > :33:53.protecting children by spending more than ?3 billion on public health

:33:54. > :33:58.last year. And comic actress Miranda has

:33:59. > :34:00.ruled out making a film Its star, Miranda Hart,

:34:01. > :34:04.told BBC Radio 4 Extra she had been in talks with BBC Films about making

:34:05. > :34:07.a movie, but concluded that the transition from studio

:34:08. > :34:09.sitcom to film rarely works. She said what finally made up her

:34:10. > :34:12.mind was reading that the writer of Dad's Army, Jimmy Perry,

:34:13. > :34:33.who died last October, The infection figures are just in.

:34:34. > :34:42.The rate rose to 2.7% in April, up from 2.3% in March, according to the

:34:43. > :34:55.Office for National Statistics. Time for the sport now.

:34:56. > :35:00.Champions Chelsea celebrated with their home fans last night after

:35:01. > :35:12.beating Watford 4-3 at Stamford, which. Pep Guardiola says he has

:35:13. > :35:16.been given a second chance at Manchester City, after failing a

:35:17. > :35:20.trophy. He said if he had been at Bayern Munich or Barcelona, he might

:35:21. > :35:25.have been sacked by now. David Warner has said that the Ashes

:35:26. > :35:28.series this year could be in doubt because of a dispute in Australia

:35:29. > :35:33.over pay. Michael Vaughan said he could expect something similar

:35:34. > :35:37.possibly in England. Finally, Roger Federer has pulled out of the French

:35:38. > :35:40.Open and will skip the clay-court season altogether. He is not injured

:35:41. > :35:44.but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season,

:35:45. > :35:49.including Wimbledon which of course he has won seven times.

:35:50. > :35:51.Next this morning - meet the canvassers who are too

:35:52. > :35:53.young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets.

:35:54. > :35:56.Our reporter Catrin Nye spent an evening in Sheffield,

:35:57. > :35:57.Peterborough and Richmond with the leafleters trying

:35:58. > :36:09.But after school, they're banging on doors for

:36:10. > :36:15.May I ask who you're intending on voting for?

:36:16. > :36:18.We're just checking if you know how you'll be voting yet?

:36:19. > :36:19.Trying to use their youthful charm...

:36:20. > :36:33.He's half Sudanese, half Czech, and moved to the UK when he was two.

:36:34. > :36:37.I think Theresa May, she relates to people like me.

:36:38. > :36:40.That's why I think she'll be such a great Prime Minister.

:36:41. > :36:44.I think, in the Conservative Party, it's about working hard,

:36:45. > :36:47.Provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard,

:36:48. > :36:50.you'll go as far as your talents will take you.

:36:51. > :36:54.He lives in Peterborough with his six brothers and sisters.

:36:55. > :36:56.The men in the family all share a similar talent.

:36:57. > :37:06.We leave politics to Hani and we do sport.

:37:07. > :37:09.My mother was the politician in the family and I think

:37:10. > :37:23.She was a decorated politician, I could say.

:37:24. > :37:25.Today he's canvassing for his local Conservative

:37:26. > :37:28.Strong and stable leadership for the United Kingdom.

:37:29. > :37:30.Alongside local Tory councillor, John Peach.

:37:31. > :37:43.100 miles away in Richmond Park in south London...

:37:44. > :37:47.Hello. Nice to meet you.

:37:48. > :37:50.Elizabeth is 16 and a committed supporter of the Liberal Democrats,

:37:51. > :37:56.even though her parents are both Conservative voters.

:37:57. > :37:59.We're very proud of Elizabeth that she has her own mind.

:38:00. > :38:02.Both John and myself would vote Tory.

:38:03. > :38:04.Do you ever think you'll change each other's minds?

:38:05. > :38:07.I don't think I'll ever be able to persuade dad.

:38:08. > :38:15.I think there are things that change when you have a family,

:38:16. > :38:21.Obviously I'd say this but I can't ever see myself becoming

:38:22. > :38:23.Conservative in, like, any future - ever.

:38:24. > :38:28.I think the Lib Dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom

:38:29. > :38:31.of the individual and also the only party, mostly, to stand up

:38:32. > :38:35.She's out canvassing for Lib Dem candidate Sarah Olney,

:38:36. > :38:37.who won a by-election here only last December.

:38:38. > :38:40.It's great to have anybody who's enthused about politics

:38:41. > :38:45.and people who really want to make a difference.

:38:46. > :38:47.But, I've noticed, there's quite a lot of young people

:38:48. > :38:49.who are getting very enthusiastic about politics.

:38:50. > :38:55.Also 16 and Labour through and through.

:38:56. > :38:57.Both of Luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided

:38:58. > :39:04.In government, we had a very, very strong record.

:39:05. > :39:08.We brought social justice on to the agenda.

:39:09. > :39:11.We invested in the NHS, we invested in infrastructure.

:39:12. > :39:14.I think everyone should be able to have that sort of kick start

:39:15. > :39:19.in life and the best possible beginning for them.

:39:20. > :39:28.You have to break through the apathy, so it's really helpful

:39:29. > :39:32.Of course, they've timed the election kind of badly for Luke.

:39:33. > :39:36.As soon as she called the election, I was like, why has she done it

:39:37. > :39:43.She knows what a good campaigner for Labour he is,

:39:44. > :39:46.so she thought she'd take him out of the equation, I think.

:39:47. > :39:49.Today he's joining a canvassing group to try to persuade people

:39:50. > :39:54.The party secured a massive 17,000 majority at the last general

:39:55. > :39:58.election here but are worried about a Lib Dem comeback.

:39:59. > :40:02.In Elizabeth's Richmond Park, it was a Lib Dem victory last time

:40:03. > :40:04.but a very tight race with the then Independent, now Conservative,

:40:05. > :40:09.And in Peterborough, Hani and his team are trying to hold

:40:10. > :40:20.We've got everybody who's on the electoral register.

:40:21. > :40:23.Yeah, I'm going to start with number seven.

:40:24. > :40:31.I'm Elizabeth from the Lib Dems and I'm just calling

:40:32. > :40:36.I'm calling on behalf of the local Labour Party about the election.

:40:37. > :40:38.May I ask you who you are intending on voting for?

:40:39. > :40:49.We're just checking if you know how you're going to be voting yet.

:40:50. > :40:54.Because I'm liberal and I'm democratic.

:40:55. > :40:58.No question because what we're getting at the moment

:40:59. > :41:02.from Theresa May is a lot of empty promises.

:41:03. > :41:05.The two options are Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May.

:41:06. > :41:07.Theresa May has shown she has the strong, stable leadership.

:41:08. > :41:10.Theresa May and the strong, stable leadership.

:41:11. > :41:12.Theresa May, you've got the strong and stable

:41:13. > :41:19.The alternative is Jeremy Corbyn and his coalition of chaos,

:41:20. > :41:24.It's just really about weighing up those...

:41:25. > :41:26.How many times are you going to say it today?

:41:27. > :41:46.A yellow Conservative is a likely Conservative but he also might tend

:41:47. > :41:51.Number eight has some Labour voters that I think can be

:41:52. > :41:54.They're fun to campus because obviously you have

:41:55. > :41:56.to try to persuade them to vote for you.

:41:57. > :42:06.Why aren't you at home looking after your kids?

:42:07. > :42:11.We're just calling today on behalf of the local Conservative team.

:42:12. > :42:17.Probably, my husband is at home looking after the children.

:42:18. > :42:25.It smells like someone is cooking a really nice dinner.

:42:26. > :42:29.OK. You don't think he should.

:42:30. > :42:34.Like it or not, Jeremy Corbyn is head of the Labour Party.

:42:35. > :42:37.I know he's been portrayed very poorly, I think, in the media.

:42:38. > :42:39.I think they're all as bad as one another, probably.

:42:40. > :42:43.Mummy with the kids, the man at work.

:42:44. > :42:46.What if I said he was really happy to do it?

:42:47. > :42:48.Well, I think you might have talked him into it,

:42:49. > :43:01.I'm not a fan of Tim Farron, I'm afraid.

:43:02. > :43:06.Can I ask why you're not a fan of Tim Farron?

:43:07. > :43:09.I find him to not be a very convincing speaker,

:43:10. > :43:11.and sometimes he can be little bit petty.

:43:12. > :43:17.With grammar schools, rather than driving social mobility,

:43:18. > :43:19.which Theresa May keeps on suggesting they do, actually,

:43:20. > :43:25.I witnessed first hand. They are fantastic.

:43:26. > :43:26.I would much rather vote Labour than Tory.

:43:27. > :43:29.I've never voted Tory, nor will I ever in my life.

:43:30. > :43:31.I just think this country hasn't got a credible leader

:43:32. > :43:35.The deal that we get after we triggered Article 50,

:43:36. > :43:40.I think they don't want to encourage other countries from leaving.

:43:41. > :43:43.Is that really an organisation we want to be a member of,

:43:44. > :43:45.if they are petty enough to not want to give...?

:43:46. > :43:48.They're not being petty, they are trying to make

:43:49. > :43:51.the project work, which I think is a really good project.

:43:52. > :43:53.I managed to have a good start in life.

:43:54. > :43:56.Since the Tory government has come in, life for me and my family has

:43:57. > :44:00.Let me summarise, the big issues for you...

:44:01. > :44:03.Exactly. And grammar schools.

:44:04. > :44:05.Grammar schools, yeah, a big issue for me.

:44:06. > :44:08.And you don't like Tim Farron. Not a fan of Tim Farron.

:44:09. > :44:15.Those are like my three issues, but the other way round!

:44:16. > :44:18.You need to keep this film because he might be Prime Minister.

:44:19. > :44:20.He said he didn't want to talk about being Prime Minister.

:44:21. > :44:24.What do you think? Do you think he's got a chance?

:44:25. > :44:30.If it hadn't been this young man, I would have

:44:31. > :44:37.I could see he's a young person coming round to do it.

:44:38. > :44:41.Presumably you want to go into politics at some time?

:44:42. > :44:43.Hopefully. What's your name again?

:44:44. > :44:50.I think you might have made a difference there.

:44:51. > :45:01.And if you want to watch that film again or share it,

:45:02. > :45:06.please head to our programme page bbc.co.uk/Victoria.

:45:07. > :45:11.And we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May

:45:12. > :45:15.If you've made up your mind already who you're going to vote for,

:45:16. > :45:18.still deciding or don't think you'll bother and would like the chance

:45:19. > :45:21.to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies,

:45:22. > :45:40.Victoria@bbc.co.uk More details on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

:45:41. > :45:47.That's Dunstable in Bedfordshire, Bank Holiday Monday, Monday, 29th

:45:48. > :45:50.May between 9am and 11am if you want to take part and we really, really

:45:51. > :45:57.hope you do because we need some voters to talk to the senior

:45:58. > :46:01.politicians. Send me an e-mail. Right, the latest inflation figures

:46:02. > :46:09.are out. Andy is here. It has gone up? It has. Prices are up by 2.7%.

:46:10. > :46:14.The Consumer Prices Index, the official measure of inflation is at

:46:15. > :46:17.its highest in four years. 2.7% is close to where the Bank of England

:46:18. > :46:22.said it would peak at the end of this year. They said they expected

:46:23. > :46:26.it to get up to 2.8. So it is nudging that level. The bad news, of

:46:27. > :46:31.course, is that wages aren't keeping up with the price rises so at the

:46:32. > :46:36.last count, and that's data from two or three months a the average wage

:46:37. > :46:43.rise excluding bonuses was up by 2.2%, with inflation up by 2.7%, I'm

:46:44. > :46:46.afraid the squeeze on living standards, ie people's real income,

:46:47. > :46:50.their purchasing power falling, that's all back. Explain what

:46:51. > :46:54.inflation is? It is the rise in prices, the rise in the cost of

:46:55. > :46:57.living. So the gap between the cost of stuff that we buy, and our

:46:58. > :47:03.average earnings is getting bigger? Yes. Price are rising faster than

:47:04. > :47:07.wages and if you want to break down the prices you have some fascinating

:47:08. > :47:10.detail which we don't go into within the inflation numbers, they have

:47:11. > :47:13.their basket of goods that they buy, of course. So for example if you

:47:14. > :47:20.want to frighten yourself, processed fruit is up by 8.2%. There are some

:47:21. > :47:25.other numbers for example, fish, up by 8.1%. Why is that? Well, a large

:47:26. > :47:29.part of the reason, not the whole of it, is the weaker pound. The weak

:47:30. > :47:34.pound can be good economically in the sense that exporters can be more

:47:35. > :47:38.competitive because dollars or euros buy more pounds so it is easier for

:47:39. > :47:43.foreign buyers to purchase our goods. Because it's cheaper? But the

:47:44. > :47:49.flip side is we import most of what we consume and when we're importing

:47:50. > :47:52.we're paying for pounds and exchanging them for dollars or

:47:53. > :47:58.euros. Therefore, it costs more and that pushes up the price we pay for

:47:59. > :48:01.our goods. Some of this imported inflation caused by the devaluation

:48:02. > :48:13.of the pound before and after the referendum. Thank you very much.

:48:14. > :48:23.Labour will publish their manifesto in an hour and ten minutes.

:48:24. > :48:25.The party describes as "radical and responsible".

:48:26. > :48:27.A draft document leaked last week included plans

:48:28. > :48:30.to nationalise the the railways, the national grid and Royal Mail.

:48:31. > :48:31.The official manifesto will also include plans

:48:32. > :48:38.to nationalise England's nine regional water companies.

:48:39. > :48:40.Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is in Bradford for the manifesto

:48:41. > :48:51.This is a transformational manifesto. It is about building a

:48:52. > :48:55.fairer Britain for the many, not the few and we've had seven years of

:48:56. > :48:59.disastrous policy from the Tory Party. They haven't improved

:49:00. > :49:02.standards and haven't improved the productivity of businesses so we

:49:03. > :49:05.need to have a new deal for our economy and a fairer deal for

:49:06. > :49:10.British people. You're planning to spend according to the Institute of

:49:11. > :49:15.Fiscal Studies upwards of ?75 billion. Why is that a good thing?

:49:16. > :49:20.Well, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, not that I am aware, have

:49:21. > :49:25.seen our final manifesto, so I won't comment on what they have seen or

:49:26. > :49:29.what they have assessed, but I'm sure they will provide a full

:49:30. > :49:33.reassessment after the manifesto has been published. It will go up, it

:49:34. > :49:38.will be above ?75 billion. Explain why it's a good thing to spend

:49:39. > :49:42.upwards of that? Well, I won't comment on specific figures as I've

:49:43. > :49:46.said. They will be referred in our manifesto when it is launched at

:49:47. > :49:52.11am. The Government has a duty to ensure that businesses have the

:49:53. > :49:54.tools that they need to thrive and prosper, infrastructure, skills,

:49:55. > :49:58.research and development, we need to set-up our economy for the future

:49:59. > :50:05.and to do that we have to invest. OK. Have you added up all your

:50:06. > :50:12.spending? We have. We've got a fully costed manifesto. At 11am, there

:50:13. > :50:17.will abtotal figures for voters to look at and judge you on? There will

:50:18. > :50:21.be. As I have said, it is a fully costed manifesto. Every spending

:50:22. > :50:24.commitment we've made has been fully costed and dealt with in the

:50:25. > :50:26.manifesto itself in terms of tax receipts.

:50:27. > :50:33.Right, do you know what the total is? Well, I'm afraid you'll have to

:50:34. > :50:38.wait for that. I'm not asking you what the total, I'm asking you if

:50:39. > :50:43.know what the total is? I do, but I don't want to ruin the surprise

:50:44. > :50:49.Victoria. You want to buy back the private water companies. The market

:50:50. > :50:52.value of money of them is ?12 billion and this not included in the

:50:53. > :50:56.Institute for Fiscal Studies estimate of what you're going to

:50:57. > :51:01.spend. Are you sure it's wise to buy back all the regional water

:51:02. > :51:04.companies? Well, as I said I won't comment on leaks. You'll have to

:51:05. > :51:07.wait for the full manifesto, but we are examining looking at giving

:51:08. > :51:11.greater control over the water sector. Now in terms of the water

:51:12. > :51:17.companies themselves, it's estimated that it will cost a total of over

:51:18. > :51:20.?32 billion to bring them back into public ownership. Any deal

:51:21. > :51:23.potentially will be the subject of negotiation between Parliament and

:51:24. > :51:28.the water companies themselves and let's remember that these water

:51:29. > :51:32.companies have paid out up to ?18 billion in dividends over the last

:51:33. > :51:35.ten years. So it's not a case of investing in an industry that isn't

:51:36. > :51:39.going to make money. It's investing in an industry that's productive and

:51:40. > :51:44.we want to bring costs down for water payers at the end of that.

:51:45. > :51:50.You're going to make headteachers and doctors pay thousands more

:51:51. > :51:54.pounds in tax each year. Yet you're also going to pay the school

:51:55. > :52:00.dinners, childcare for two to four-year-olds and tuition fees of

:52:01. > :52:04.not just low income families, but wealthy families, that's incoherent,

:52:05. > :52:10.isn't it? No, it's not because education should be available to

:52:11. > :52:14.all. Even people who can pay? Well, we want Britain to be an

:52:15. > :52:17.aspirational nation and it is not fair to penalise one income group

:52:18. > :52:22.over the in terms of education. Every child has the right and every

:52:23. > :52:27.student has the right to a decent education. Low income families will

:52:28. > :52:32.be subsidising the wealthy families to send their kids to uni? Every

:52:33. > :52:36.child and every student has the right to an education, Victoria and

:52:37. > :52:40.it isn't fair to distinguish between income groups. In terms of the tax

:52:41. > :52:45.that those earning over ?80,000 are going to pay. You will see from the

:52:46. > :52:50.manifesto that it's a fair taxation system and we've aimed to protect

:52:51. > :52:54.95% of middle and low income earners, that's 95% of the

:52:55. > :53:01.population. So are you saying it is fair to make people like doctors and

:53:02. > :53:07.headteachers pay more? It's fair to have a fair taxation system where

:53:08. > :53:10.everybody pays a proportion that is fair and that's certainly what we're

:53:11. > :53:15.setting out to do both in terms of income tax for those over ?80,000

:53:16. > :53:19.and also in terms of our business taxation system overall. Where is

:53:20. > :53:25.cutting the deficit on your list of priorities? Well, it's part of our

:53:26. > :53:29.fiscal rule. We've said that we will reduce the deficit over a five year

:53:30. > :53:33.period and we'll also reduce the public sector net debts as a

:53:34. > :53:39.proportion of GDP so it's lower at the end of Parliament than it is at

:53:40. > :53:42.the start. By which year will the ?52 billion deficit be paid off

:53:43. > :53:46.under a Labour Government? Well, it's a five year period that allows

:53:47. > :53:50.for economic shocks and any changes in market conditions to happen. Over

:53:51. > :53:56.the course in the next Parliament you'll reduce the deficit to zero?

:53:57. > :54:02.Well, we'll reduce it over a five year rolling period. I'm asking when

:54:03. > :54:06.you will have wiped tout, when you will have balanced the books, what

:54:07. > :54:10.year will that be? Well, as I said, we would aim to reduce the deficit

:54:11. > :54:14.by the end of that five year period, but we give ourselves flexibility to

:54:15. > :54:21.deal with any unforeseen situations that might occur over that period.

:54:22. > :54:28.Right. So, and so how will you reduce ?52 billion deficit by 2022?

:54:29. > :54:34.Well, this is about setting out a new economic deal, Victoria... So

:54:35. > :54:36.tell us how? Investing in infrastructure, skills, research and

:54:37. > :54:41.development, we want to grow our businesses. We want to make sure

:54:42. > :54:45.that the burden on them is reduced so we've put forward proposals in

:54:46. > :54:49.terms of business rates. We wanted to exempt certain classes of plant

:54:50. > :54:52.and machinery so businesses were given the ability to grow their

:54:53. > :54:57.businesses. I have an example of a manufacturer in the north-west who

:54:58. > :55:01.wanted reshore part of its supply chain and bring a company over from

:55:02. > :55:07.Poland and it would have created hundreds of jobs, but they were put

:55:08. > :55:11.off doing that. So, potentially, the economy has been held back and we

:55:12. > :55:17.are looking to make sure that it can maximise its full potential. Thank

:55:18. > :55:26.you very much, Rebecca Long-Bailey. Let's talk now to Neil Coyle,

:55:27. > :55:29.one of the most vocal critics of Jeremy Corbyn on Labour's benches

:55:30. > :55:32.who has been a Labour MP Joe Twyman, head of social

:55:33. > :55:42.and political research at YouGov who can explain which of Labour's

:55:43. > :55:47.plans are popular or otherwise. Joe, the most popular Labour

:55:48. > :55:51.promises and the least popular? Well, in the stuff that we've tested

:55:52. > :55:55.we've found things like controlling rent so that the rises can only be

:55:56. > :55:58.in line with inflation. The majority of people support that. In fact

:55:59. > :56:04.nearly two-thirds of people support it of the less popular, you have

:56:05. > :56:07.Britain only leaving the EU if a new trade deal is struck. It is a range

:56:08. > :56:11.of things, but it is worth pointing out that people don't actually vote

:56:12. > :56:15.on manifestos generally speaking. Think of it like a restaurant. A

:56:16. > :56:20.manifesto is a menu and you might like some bits on the machine u, you

:56:21. > :56:23.might like other bits, but ultimately if the restaurant doesn't

:56:24. > :56:27.look that good, you probably won't eat there. Is the restaurant Jeremy

:56:28. > :56:29.Corbyn, is that what you're saying? It's the Labour Party and Jeremy

:56:30. > :56:37.Corbyn is perhaps the guy at the front. OK. Answer that point Neil

:56:38. > :56:41.Coyle or respond to that point that actually, you know, it might be the

:56:42. > :56:44.messenger, some of the promises are really popular, but the idea of

:56:45. > :56:50.Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister running the Labour Party from ten

:56:51. > :56:55.Downing Street not? Well, in Bermondsey and Southwark, it is a

:56:56. > :56:59.Lib Dem-Labour fight and I have yet to meet anyone who would think

:57:00. > :57:03.Farron would make a nicer restaurant than Corbyn. My team spoke to 1,000

:57:04. > :57:09.people on Sunday alone and some of the policies and the issues that

:57:10. > :57:13.Labour are on top of on homes, on education and policing are what

:57:14. > :57:17.people raise as their primary concerns and want to see addressed.

:57:18. > :57:21.That's what they need to feel we are on top of. Brexit is still a big

:57:22. > :57:29.issue and I make no bones about the fact that if I'm re-elected I'll

:57:30. > :57:32.maintain the position in opposing leaving the European Union. The best

:57:33. > :57:35.deal the Prime Minister can get... Opposing leaving the European Union

:57:36. > :57:40.or the single market? The European Union. That's dead and buried, isn't

:57:41. > :57:43.it? No, I don't believe it is. The reason we have this election now is

:57:44. > :57:47.because Theresa May knows over the next two years the negotiations

:57:48. > :57:51.unravel. It becomes clear what the costs and consequences are. We are

:57:52. > :57:53.already feeling them in terms of university, public sector

:57:54. > :57:56.recruitment, businesses, already you saw today, inflation, the pound has

:57:57. > :58:01.dropped. Businesses are feeling that already. They're investing in

:58:02. > :58:04.Amsterdam instead of London. We need to make sure the Prime Minister is

:58:05. > :58:08.still held to account for what could be a very disastrous Brexit. There

:58:09. > :58:14.is no hard or soft Brexit. It is a disastrous Brexit. You're expecting

:58:15. > :58:17.Theresa May to win? The poll, you've got YouGov sat here, the polling

:58:18. > :58:21.suggests that she is going to be elected so it is really important

:58:22. > :58:24.that people are, you know, looking at who will provide the best

:58:25. > :58:30.opposition and who will keep the focus on. Theresa May has been in

:58:31. > :58:35.charge of policing as Home Secretary and policing, in Southwark we lost

:58:36. > :58:39.200 police officers and PSCOs, we have seen knife crime on the rise

:58:40. > :58:41.and businesses let down because the police cannot investigate, they

:58:42. > :58:45.don't have the resources to investigate all crime in Southwark.

:58:46. > :58:48.That is a fundamental failing and Theresa May is totally responsible.

:58:49. > :58:51.She had seven years with Lib Dem support for five. That's the

:58:52. > :58:54.dabbling she caused in my constituency and that's one of the

:58:55. > :58:57.issues that comes up again and again and again on the doorstep. Thank you

:58:58. > :59:03.very much, Neil and Joe. Coming up, the Welsh Nationalist

:59:04. > :59:06.party Plaid Cymru is to launch its election manifesto promising

:59:07. > :59:08.to "overcome threats and seize Let's get the latest

:59:09. > :59:24.weather update with Carol. Congratulations on your BAFTA. I

:59:25. > :59:31.thought you were never going to mention it, Carol. Well done.

:59:32. > :59:36.Today's weather, well it is worth more than a fiver. You can see a

:59:37. > :59:43.beautiful picture from our Weather Watchers of east Sussex.

:59:44. > :59:46.Lovely blue skies. Compare that to Cornwall, there is low cloud and

:59:47. > :59:50.it's damp and then as we head off towards Dudley, again a lot of cloud

:59:51. > :59:54.around. So a real variation, but one thing that is a common factor is

:59:55. > :59:57.that it is very muggy to start the day. We're looking at 20 Celsius in

:59:58. > :00:01.parts of the east. You can see where we've had the rain. Some of it heavy

:00:02. > :00:05.across Wales. Now, this line of rain here is going to slowly push

:00:06. > :00:09.south-east wards during the day, but it won't get into the far south-east

:00:10. > :00:12.where it will remain muggy and sunny and behind it, we've got rain

:00:13. > :00:15.whipping across Northern Ireland and Scotland moving on from the west to

:00:16. > :00:18.the east and behind that, we are looking at a mixture of sunshine and

:00:19. > :00:21.showers and wherever you are, a breezy day. Into the afternoon,

:00:22. > :00:25.murky across the south-west of Englandment here is the rain pushing

:00:26. > :00:27.through Devon, Somerset and Dorset and Gloucestershire and for Wales,

:00:28. > :00:31.the rain will have cleared, but in its wake there will be a lot of

:00:32. > :00:34.cloud left behind and hill fog and damp conditions. As for Northern

:00:35. > :00:37.Ireland, where the rain clears you've got a sunny day ahead and

:00:38. > :00:40.across Scotland it is a mixture of sunshine and showers. If you're

:00:41. > :00:43.somewhere like the Moray Firth this afternoon, temperatures could get up

:00:44. > :00:47.to into the high teens and that will feel pleasant.

:00:48. > :00:50.North-west England, bright spells of sunshine and showers and then we run

:00:51. > :00:55.into a band of rain heading towards the Midlands. Ahead of it more

:00:56. > :00:58.cloud. East Anglia, Essex and Kent, and the Isle of Wight hanging on to

:00:59. > :01:02.sunshine and here is where we will see the highest temperatures, a

:01:03. > :01:06.sticky 24 or possibly 25 Celsius. In the sunshine further north, it will

:01:07. > :01:13.still feel pleasant and it will feel that bit fresher.

:01:14. > :01:14.The evening and overnight, here is our band of rain continuing towards

:01:15. > :01:32.the South East. Sultry in the south. Clearer skies.

:01:33. > :01:38.If you are tomorrow, we have got the rain. It will pep up during the

:01:39. > :01:41.afternoon. As we look behind it for North Wales, Northern England, into

:01:42. > :01:46.Scotland, and also Northern Ireland, we've got sunshine and again,

:01:47. > :01:52.showers. Still pleasant in the sunshine and sultry and muggy in the

:01:53. > :01:55.south. We could see similar temperatures to today. Wednesday

:01:56. > :01:59.night, we have got heavier rain pushing across us. It will clear

:02:00. > :02:00.away and on Thursday it is a mixture of sunshine and showers and feeling

:02:01. > :02:10.fresher. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 10

:02:11. > :02:13.o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The notorious Moors Murderer

:02:14. > :02:14.Ian Brady has died. With the help of his girlfriend,

:02:15. > :02:29.Myra Hindley, he killed five They saw themselves as superior, and

:02:30. > :02:42.committing the perfect murder, as they saw it, was part of that.

:02:43. > :02:48.It is about building a pharaoh Britain, for the many, not the few,

:02:49. > :03:02.after seven disastrous years of the Tories. We will look at the

:03:03. > :03:11.McDonald's advert which focuses on child who has lost his father. We

:03:12. > :03:23.will consider how the advert affects children who have been bereaved.

:03:24. > :03:35.And Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall will be here. How many

:03:36. > :03:40.sexual partners have you had? I'm Cohen. If you have a question for

:03:41. > :03:48.Kim, do get in touch this morning. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:03:49. > :03:53.with a summary of today's news. Greater Manchester Police say

:03:54. > :03:56.they will never close the case of the Moors Murders,

:03:57. > :03:58.despite the death of He had been receiving palliative

:03:59. > :04:07.care in a secure unit at Ashworth Hospital,

:04:08. > :04:09.where he had been Brady and his partner Myra Hindley

:04:10. > :04:12.tortured and murdered five children in the mid-1960s,

:04:13. > :04:24.burying their bodies The man who made a documentary told

:04:25. > :04:29.this programme that Brady had a script in his head when he met my

:04:30. > :04:32.20. He knew what he wanted to do and he recognised that with Myra

:04:33. > :04:36.Hindley, it was somebody with the personality which would enable him

:04:37. > :04:40.to carry out a script. It was his idea of the perfect murder, which

:04:41. > :04:44.was an American book that he beds. He thought that he could rise above

:04:45. > :04:48.the rest of the world, he and Brady occupied what they viewed as a world

:04:49. > :04:52.above, they viewed themselves as superior, and committing the perfect

:04:53. > :05:04.murder was in a sense a way of confirming that superiority.

:05:05. > :05:12.Labour is due to publish its manifesto shortly. A draft document

:05:13. > :05:16.leaked last week included plans to nationalise the railways, the

:05:17. > :05:22.National Grid and the Royal Mail. The manifesto is expected also to

:05:23. > :05:27.nationalise the nine English regional water companies as well.

:05:28. > :05:30.And today at 12.30 on BBC News, Ben Brown will be putting your

:05:31. > :05:32.questions about the manifesto to Labour's Sarah Champion.

:05:33. > :05:42.You can get in touch? That's a summary of

:05:43. > :05:48.Plaid Cymru is due to launch its manifesto within the next few

:05:49. > :05:52.minutes. The party wants the Welsh government to have a say on any

:05:53. > :05:56.future UK trade deal. It says it will not rest until every penny of

:05:57. > :06:01.lost EU funding is replaced. It says it wants to new holes schools,

:06:02. > :06:07.hospitals and railways. Inflation has risen sharply to its highest

:06:08. > :06:13.level since September 2013. The rate rose to 2.7% in April from 2.3%

:06:14. > :06:15.month before. It was partly due to the higher cost of road tax and

:06:16. > :06:16.clothing. the latest BBC News -

:06:17. > :06:24.more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us

:06:25. > :06:26.throughout the morning - And if you text, you will be charged

:06:27. > :06:36.at the standard network rate. Chelsea will not receive the Premier

:06:37. > :06:40.League trophy until Sunday, when they take on relegated Sunderland at

:06:41. > :06:46.Stamford Bridge. But they gave their fans plenty to cheer last night with

:06:47. > :06:50.another win, a thrilling victory over Watford. John Terry scored the

:06:51. > :06:59.opener. Watford were 3-1 down but got themselves back into it. But

:07:00. > :07:03.Cesc Fabregas popped up with two minutes remaining to make it 4-3 to

:07:04. > :07:08.Chelsea. It was league victory number 29, equalling the record

:07:09. > :07:14.number of wins in a Premier League season. Football Association

:07:15. > :07:18.chairman Greg Clarke says his attempts to hold talks with gay

:07:19. > :07:22.footballers are failing. He says the players are reticent to engage with

:07:23. > :07:26.him. He says, while a lot of speculation surrounds players coming

:07:27. > :07:29.out, he is equally concerned by the younger players who might be

:07:30. > :07:37.affected. I am just as worried about the kids of 16 or 17 in academies

:07:38. > :07:42.who think, one of 10,000 of us are going to make Premier League players

:07:43. > :07:48.and I'm not sure how my coach or manager or anybody else feels about

:07:49. > :07:53.gay people. So why would I make it harder for myself? Roger Federer has

:07:54. > :07:57.pulled out of the French Open and will skip the clay-court season

:07:58. > :08:01.altogether. He is not injured but says he wants to concentrate on the

:08:02. > :08:06.grass and hard court season is to come. He has won Wimbledon seven

:08:07. > :08:14.times. If he does it again, it would be Major number 19.

:08:15. > :08:16.Pledges on mental health have been a big part

:08:17. > :08:19.Labour say they'll spend more money on services,

:08:20. > :08:22.while Theresa May has promised to abolish a key bit of legislation,

:08:23. > :08:24.the Mental Health Act, which she described as "flawed".

:08:25. > :08:27.NHS data crunched by BBC Yorkshire shows there's been a big increase

:08:28. > :08:29.in the number of detentions under the Mental Health Act

:08:30. > :08:32.carried out across England in the last five years.

:08:33. > :08:34.The number of detentions rose by over 10,000 to almost 39,000.

:08:35. > :08:36.It's been a particularly contentious bit of legislation

:08:37. > :08:41.because of the way it allows the authorities to forcibly detain

:08:42. > :08:43.people against their will IF they are thought to be a danger

:08:44. > :08:48.Mind, the leading mental health charity, is now calling

:08:49. > :08:56.Let's talk to Oli Refan who suffers from anxiety -

:08:57. > :08:59.he was detained in a police cell after having serious

:09:00. > :09:02.Karl Knights, who was detained under the Mental Health Act

:09:03. > :09:08.as a first-year university student, and Vicki Nash from Mind.

:09:09. > :09:16.Hello all of you. Vicki, can you explain to the audience the criteria

:09:17. > :09:19.for detaining somebody under the Mental Health Act? Well, it is an

:09:20. > :09:23.incredibly compact piece of legislation, so where do you start

:09:24. > :09:27.with it, really? There is a number of different criteria, but it is

:09:28. > :09:32.definitely linked to a person's diagnosis and the impact that

:09:33. > :09:35.diagnosis has on them, but more importantly, the risk, whether that

:09:36. > :09:40.person is a risk to themselves or considered to be a risk to others.

:09:41. > :09:43.It is called being sectioned, being admitted to a hospital, whether or

:09:44. > :09:49.not you agree to it, and that just means, the section of a paragraph

:09:50. > :09:52.from the actor? Exactly. And there is lots of different types of

:09:53. > :09:58.sections, so lots of ways you could be detained under the actor. Karl,

:09:59. > :10:02.you were detained under the actor last year, what happened? I was in

:10:03. > :10:06.my first year at university and I have suffered from depression for a

:10:07. > :10:13.long time and I refused treatment and things. Eventually, I caused a

:10:14. > :10:17.disturbance at my university bar and my university has a security

:10:18. > :10:21.service, they came by and said, you're causing a disturbance Eddie

:10:22. > :10:25.Howe was not in a good way, I was screaming and crying and it was just

:10:26. > :10:30.a very ugly scene. Then the police arrived, and to their credit, they

:10:31. > :10:32.obviously knew that something was amiss in terms of my mental health

:10:33. > :10:42.and my general well-being, and then I was detained under section 136 of

:10:43. > :10:46.the Mental Health Act. And taken where? I was taken to a local

:10:47. > :10:48.psychiatric unit, where I was assessed and the recommendation was

:10:49. > :10:55.that I should go into hospital, which I then did. Oli, your

:10:56. > :10:59.situation was different, tell us about that? Well, I was at home, I

:11:00. > :11:03.was going through a bad state, had split up with my girlfriend and lost

:11:04. > :11:08.my, who is I was arguing with my mum at the same time. All of that

:11:09. > :11:11.together just made me switch and be a different person to what I

:11:12. > :11:17.normally was. I've, however. Hole through the ceiling, my mum didn't

:11:18. > :11:21.know how to deal with it, me being quite large lad and my mum not being

:11:22. > :11:26.too big, she rang the police. She didn't know what to do. So, they

:11:27. > :11:31.have arrested me and put me in cuffs and put me in the car like a normal

:11:32. > :11:35.criminal and tried to take me to the local mental health unit. I don't

:11:36. > :11:40.know whether there was no beds or it was not open all, they just could

:11:41. > :11:43.not get me in there so I was arrested and put in a cell for more

:11:44. > :11:47.than 17 hours. And it was one of the most terrifying thing is that I have

:11:48. > :11:51.ever been through. Having a mental health problem, it is like being in

:11:52. > :11:55.a cell in your brain anyway. So you are in a cell in a cell, with

:11:56. > :12:00.nothing which is going to comfort you at all. I was not even allowed

:12:01. > :12:06.anyone to speak to. I was so bad that I started punching the wall,

:12:07. > :12:10.writing, help me, in blood, to get some help. If there is anywhere

:12:11. > :12:14.else, a police cell could be a safe space for you, do you accept that?

:12:15. > :12:20.Yeah, I do, but there should be someone there. Someone there to

:12:21. > :12:29.witness whether you are all right, you know? Yeah. A big rise in five

:12:30. > :12:33.years, what do you put it down to? Actually we're getting need more

:12:34. > :12:36.research, but it is likely to be related to an issue with bed

:12:37. > :12:40.management. We know that in some parts of the culturally there are

:12:41. > :12:45.shortages, others, they are not managing the Bethany Bell.

:12:46. > :12:48.Anecdotally, we people -- we hear that people are saying, we will

:12:49. > :12:54.section you because we have not got any voluntary beds available. So

:12:55. > :12:57.there is a bed, but they are assigned either voluntarily or four

:12:58. > :13:01.people under the Mental Health Act. If you're feeling unwell, you could

:13:02. > :13:06.present yourself to a hospital or seek hospital care, but say you do

:13:07. > :13:10.not want to be detained, you want to be able to go when you're ready. And

:13:11. > :13:13.what we're hearing anecdotally is that some people, both professionals

:13:14. > :13:17.and people in a mental health crisis, are saying, the only way

:13:18. > :13:23.that we can guarantee that you get the support you need and that you

:13:24. > :13:26.get into hospital is that we'll detain you, even though you don't

:13:27. > :13:29.necessarily need to be sectioned, but it is the only way we can

:13:30. > :13:32.guarantee that you will get that treatment, which is obviously

:13:33. > :13:39.completely unacceptable. If the Mental Health Act is abolished, what

:13:40. > :13:43.difference will that make? Well, what Mind is calling for is a

:13:44. > :13:47.fundamental review. But if Theresa May is elected, she says she is

:13:48. > :13:51.going to scrap it. Yeah, so we have said, whatever the new government

:13:52. > :13:57.is, a fundamental review. If it was scrapped, what does that mean, is it

:13:58. > :14:01.a good thing, or might some people end up harming themselves or others?

:14:02. > :14:05.So, you need to look at how the services interact with legislation.

:14:06. > :14:10.You will need safeguards for some people. Some people, those

:14:11. > :14:15.safeguards are really important, so you need to look at how the services

:14:16. > :14:18.are supposed to work and when the safeguards should kick in. Whether

:14:19. > :14:23.it is the scrapping or the reviewing of an actor, what we need to look at

:14:24. > :14:27.is, the current legislation is clearly not fit for purpose and

:14:28. > :14:31.either the Government can look at improving the legislation that we

:14:32. > :14:35.have got, and there are so many ways of doing that, for example, there is

:14:36. > :14:40.a clause about your nearest relative, the person who you say, if

:14:41. > :14:44.I am in a crisis or I am sectioned, this is the person I want to protect

:14:45. > :14:48.my interests. That is based on a hierarchical list, it is not the

:14:49. > :14:51.person closest to you, it could be someone who is even in the abusive

:14:52. > :14:55.situation you are in. But you go on this ridiculous list, and everyone

:14:56. > :14:59.agrees that it is nonsensical. That is so old-fashioned! So

:15:00. > :15:04.old-fashioned and clearly not fit for purpose. Karl, how do you

:15:05. > :15:10.reflect now on your experience of being detained? At the time it was

:15:11. > :15:14.very scary and terrifying, because I didn't really understand what was

:15:15. > :15:17.happening. But in retrospect, I'm immensely grateful, because I really

:15:18. > :15:23.believe that it saved my life. I would not be sat here today if I had

:15:24. > :15:27.not been detained, I don't think. It did save my life and it can do that

:15:28. > :15:31.for some people just being detained isn't necessarily a negative thing

:15:32. > :15:37.just it's definitely scary at the time, but in retrospect...

:15:38. > :15:42.Raez Olly, you were detained five years ago and you feel like you

:15:43. > :15:46.struggle with what happened to you then? Yes, it scares me the fact

:15:47. > :15:50.that if I ever do anything wrong I'm going to be detained in that manner

:15:51. > :15:54.rather than he said, it helped him. I'm wondering if I was detained in

:15:55. > :16:00.the manner that he was, it would have helped me a lot more? But like

:16:01. > :16:03.you were saying about the abolishing the thing, would that not put more

:16:04. > :16:10.people in prison because they can't section you? What do you think,

:16:11. > :16:13.Vicky? Well, it's a really complicated piece of legislation and

:16:14. > :16:17.we need to make sure that people are getting the right treatment and

:16:18. > :16:23.support and preferably they get early intervention. We know more

:16:24. > :16:27.people are seeking help. They end up being sectioned and that's where you

:16:28. > :16:30.have seen a massive rise. The problem with services is a real

:16:31. > :16:36.issue and we really need to invest in our services, much more money,

:16:37. > :16:44.much more priority and making sure that we've got a workforce fit for

:16:45. > :16:47.purpose. I'm getting some help. I've had seven appointments with two

:16:48. > :16:51.different sky toll gists, I don't know how much that costs, but surely

:16:52. > :16:55.that could pay for the treatment getting done and I think there is

:16:56. > :17:02.too many appointments before you get something done. Olly says, "I told

:17:03. > :17:08.my GP I was suicidal. They sent the police to my house to section me."

:17:09. > :17:14.That is coming, that GP is coming from a good place, but it's the

:17:15. > :17:19.wrong execution if I can put it like that. This GP will have been really

:17:20. > :17:25.worried and thinks, "What can I do?" Yes. Nate hand, hi, "I suffer from

:17:26. > :17:30.bipolar and there is so much stigma. I was arrested and detained by the

:17:31. > :17:36.police and then I was given a fine because they were saying my illness

:17:37. > :17:43.was wasting police time." Oh my god. But this was back in 2008. That's

:17:44. > :17:46.still horrific. You would like to think we have progressed in terms of

:17:47. > :17:51.our knowledge and understanding of mental health issues. Actually the

:17:52. > :17:54.police have done a to, their credit, some of the police, we have seen

:17:55. > :17:58.really great strides in them trying to understand mental health a bit

:17:59. > :18:02.more. So, but it's about how the police work with the health system

:18:03. > :18:10.and at the moment the police are picking up the problem because the

:18:11. > :18:12.health system isn't coping. As we know, there is some really

:18:13. > :18:15.understanding police officers who end up in situations that they

:18:16. > :18:19.wouldn't really like to be n but they can see someone who is in

:18:20. > :18:23.desperate need of help and there is no one else, there is no other

:18:24. > :18:28.safety net. They provide the ultimate back stop. It is a tough

:18:29. > :18:31.job. Some of the police are more trained than the GPs in mental

:18:32. > :18:34.health now. That's mad. And you've got five minutes to tell them about

:18:35. > :18:39.how you're suffering with mental health. I've had problem and they're

:18:40. > :18:43.like, "You've run out of time now, you've got to go." It's ridiculous.

:18:44. > :18:49.So you want a review of the Mental Health Act? We do. Whoever wins.

:18:50. > :18:52.Whoever wins the general election. Labour are promising to spend a lot

:18:53. > :18:59.more on the NHS including mental health services. The Conservatives

:19:00. > :19:01.have said they would find 10,000 extra mental health officials,

:19:02. > :19:05.professionals to work in the sector, but there is no new money to pay for

:19:06. > :19:08.that. How do you regard these promises in the run-up to an

:19:09. > :19:14.election in an area that you care so much about? Well, I think a lot of

:19:15. > :19:18.people my age, we have heard these promises before and in terms of

:19:19. > :19:24.money being promised and things like say recently in the last Government,

:19:25. > :19:31.money was promise add it was never ring-fenced and it got spent in

:19:32. > :19:37.other ways and people my age are seeing perpetual cuts which cuts in

:19:38. > :19:40.the police picking up the slack. Since 20106700 mental health nurses

:19:41. > :19:45.and doctors have been cut from the NHS in England and now the

:19:46. > :19:51.Conservatives are promising 10,000 more mental health professionals? We

:19:52. > :19:57.should be 3,000 up on what we should be. The workforce is a massive

:19:58. > :20:00.problem. So we have a really good national mental health plan which is

:20:01. > :20:05.called the five year forward view for mental health. It was agreed by

:20:06. > :20:09.the NHS England and by the Government prior to the election.

:20:10. > :20:14.We're saying as part of the general election, everyone has to recommit

:20:15. > :20:18.to that plan, but that's a baby step to actually getting where we want to

:20:19. > :20:21.be which is having mental health on an equal footing with mental health

:20:22. > :20:26.and that's the bare minimum that we need to do. We're saying at least,

:20:27. > :20:31.you need at least an extra ?500 million per year after that plan

:20:32. > :20:35.finishes in order to really start to raise those standards up. I mean we

:20:36. > :20:42.are a world away from where we need to be, but we have got a clear plan

:20:43. > :20:45.of where we need to get to, the Government need to cough up to

:20:46. > :20:46.deliver that. It will cost money. Thank you very much. Thank you all

:20:47. > :20:51.of you for coming on the programme. We're going to be in Dunstable

:20:52. > :21:04.in Bedfordshire on Monday, 29th May Join us if you can.

:21:05. > :21:07.All you need to do is send me an e-mail. It would be really good to

:21:08. > :21:10.see you and to hear you talk directly to senior politicians. More

:21:11. > :21:22.information on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

:21:23. > :21:24.Next this morning - meet the canvassers who are too

:21:25. > :21:27.young to vote but are out campaigning on the streets.

:21:28. > :21:29.Our reporter Catrin Nye spent an evening in Sheffield,

:21:30. > :21:31.Peterborough and Richmond with the leafleters trying

:21:32. > :21:35.But after school, they're banging on doors for

:21:36. > :21:44.He's half Sudanese, half Czech, and moved to the UK when he was two.

:21:45. > :21:48.I think Theresa May, she relates to people like me.

:21:49. > :21:51.That's why I think she'll be such a great Prime Minister.

:21:52. > :21:54.I think, in the Conservative Party, it's about working hard,

:21:55. > :21:58.Provided you do the right thing, support your family, work hard,

:21:59. > :22:08.you'll go as far as your talents will take you.

:22:09. > :22:17.100 miles away in Richmond Park in south London...

:22:18. > :22:21.I think the Lib Dems are the only party to stand up for the freedom

:22:22. > :22:23.of the individual and also the only party, mostly, to stand up

:22:24. > :22:29.Also 16 and Labour through and through.

:22:30. > :22:31.Both of Luke's parents are unemployed and he's decided

:22:32. > :22:35.In government, we had a very, very strong record.

:22:36. > :22:37.We brought social justice on to the agenda.

:22:38. > :22:48.We invested in the NHS, we invested in infrastructure.

:22:49. > :22:50.Plaid Cymru, the Welsh nationalist party, are setting out their general

:22:51. > :22:53.Leanne Wood, the party leader is speaking.

:22:54. > :23:04.To Blaenau Gwent and here in the Rhondda, every person in this

:23:05. > :23:09.country will have a say on the future of Wales and indeed, the

:23:10. > :23:15.future of the UK. The Valleys, the cities, and the

:23:16. > :23:19.countryside will all have a choice. The choice is not between the

:23:20. > :23:26.Conservatives and Labour, the choice is whether we want to put Wales on

:23:27. > :23:31.the political landscape. The choice is whether we keep voting for

:23:32. > :23:38.London-based parties or whether we vote for ourselves. For our own

:23:39. > :23:45.party, for a party which is based in Wales and whose only loyalty is to

:23:46. > :23:51.the people who live here. For a party which already has the hardest

:23:52. > :23:57.working MPs in Westminster. We can make a choice in this UK election to

:23:58. > :24:04.defend Wales, to defend our national interests. We can choose to give

:24:05. > :24:12.Wales a voice by voting for Plaid Cymru the party of Wales. Friends,

:24:13. > :24:16.we face grave risks ahead of this election. Our economy, our

:24:17. > :24:23.communities, even our very identity as a nation is under threat from a

:24:24. > :24:28.Tory Party that can only be described as cruel and reckless.

:24:29. > :24:32.After 8th June, the Tories will be handed a blank cheque, that they

:24:33. > :24:40.will use to rob Wales of millions of pounds. Jobs will be jeopardised,

:24:41. > :24:47.our tourism and farming industries, plunged into uncertainty, and our

:24:48. > :24:52.public services will be targeted. Responsibilities currently under

:24:53. > :24:57.Welsh control will be at risk from a Westminster power grab. Labour is

:24:58. > :25:03.broken. Too weak and too divided to stop them. They have abandoned ship

:25:04. > :25:11.and they're now fighting over who gets the life rafts. Labour's Welsh

:25:12. > :25:17.MPs, who are asking for Welsh votes, refused to even name their own party

:25:18. > :25:20.leader. They've disowned the Labour manifesto and they're recycling

:25:21. > :25:25.their policies from the last Assembly manifesto. The left-hand

:25:26. > :25:31.doesn't know what the right-hand is doing. Labour is a party that has no

:25:32. > :25:36.hope under these conditions of defending Wales. Who can really be

:25:37. > :25:41.sure whether a vote for Labour in Wales means a vote for the official

:25:42. > :25:47.opposition? Who knows what a vote for Labour means? But friends, one

:25:48. > :25:55.thing is for sure, Wales deserves better. Plaid Cymru will defend

:25:56. > :26:01.Wales, protecting, preserving, and promoting this nation is the reason

:26:02. > :26:06.that we exist as a party. Every Plaid Cymru MP that we send to

:26:07. > :26:10.Westminster will be a tireless champion for their constituents, for

:26:11. > :26:14.their communities and for our nation. Plaid Cymru MPs don't follow

:26:15. > :26:20.the Westminster rules. They don't vote to line their own pockets. They

:26:21. > :26:25.don't vote for endless foreign wars, or for the priorities of the

:26:26. > :26:31.Westminster establishment. They vote for Welsh jobs and businesses. They

:26:32. > :26:38.vote to support Welsh farming, Welsh livelihoods. They vote to fund our

:26:39. > :26:44.NHS and our public services. They vote for fairness, for equality and

:26:45. > :26:48.to help those in need and they speak out against injustice and

:26:49. > :26:54.intolerance and scapegoating of minorities. That's what we are about

:26:55. > :27:01.in Plaid Cymru, defending everyone. I want to say every person in this

:27:02. > :27:07.country, a Plaid Cymru MP will not let you done. Our record speaks for

:27:08. > :27:12.itself. Plaid Cymru MPs have always held those to account in power over

:27:13. > :27:17.the Iraq war, over securing fair pensions for workers, over helping

:27:18. > :27:21.the victims of crime. They've stood up against funding being stripped

:27:22. > :27:26.from Wales, against cuts to public spending, and for proposals which

:27:27. > :27:31.would put more money in our pockets. When the other parties have failed

:27:32. > :27:37.to turn up, Plaid Cymru has been there always working for Wales. Last

:27:38. > :27:42.year, Plaid Cymru's MPs made more speeches and asked more questions

:27:43. > :27:49.than any other party representing a Welsh constituency. The facts speak

:27:50. > :27:54.for themselves. We are blessed with a fantastic team of Plaid Cymru MPs,

:27:55. > :27:59.Hywel Williams and Jonathan Edwards. And they are keeping a space on

:28:00. > :28:09.those green benches for new colleagues to join them, to form a

:28:10. > :28:15.Welsh bloc there. They're keeping space for Branwen and Mr Jones and

:28:16. > :28:21.Ben Lake. I can't name them all, but they are keeping space for a big

:28:22. > :28:26.bloc of new Plaid Cymru MPs. We are determined to build a strong team

:28:27. > :28:32.and to build on our record. We've got the record. We've got the team.

:28:33. > :28:38.And with today's manifesto, we've got the vision. Today, we rally

:28:39. > :28:43.behind something which is much bigger than a manifesto. What we

:28:44. > :28:49.have today is an action plan. It shows where we are, what Plaid Cymru

:28:50. > :28:55.will do about whatever problem we face, and where we can be. It's a

:28:56. > :29:00.forward looking programme which guarantees that Plaid Cymru will

:29:01. > :29:05.defend Wales. It guarantees that Plaid Cymru MPs will oppose any

:29:06. > :29:11.attempt to downgrade the powers of the National Assembly. It secures

:29:12. > :29:15.our nationhood. But it also offers practical steps which will boost the

:29:16. > :29:22.Welsh economy and get our country back on track to be successful,

:29:23. > :29:26.prosperous and fair. As the UK leaves the European Union, it is

:29:27. > :29:32.only Plaid Cymru that will thrust Wales on to the political landscape

:29:33. > :29:37.when it comes to the economy. We will push for targeted tax discounts

:29:38. > :29:44.for new and existing businesses in Wales where that would generate the

:29:45. > :29:49.most new jobs. We would back the Swansea tidal lagoon bringing in an

:29:50. > :29:52.independently verified Living Wage. We would change procurement rules to

:29:53. > :29:59.allow more public contracts to be won by Welsh companies. Plaid Cymru

:30:00. > :30:05.would deal once and for all with the creeking infrastructure that has

:30:06. > :30:09.been bestowed upon this country. Our ?7.5 billion investment programme on

:30:10. > :30:15.infrastructure would take advantage of these low interest rates to

:30:16. > :30:20.borrow and invest. We will press the UK Government to introduce a

:30:21. > :30:24.comprehensive plan for the steel industry, guaranteeing it's future

:30:25. > :30:29.outside the European Union. When it comes to health and social

:30:30. > :30:34.care, Plaid Cymru wants guaranteed extra funding for our NHS after we

:30:35. > :30:38.leave the European Union. We've already secured an additional ?20

:30:39. > :30:39.million for mental health services here, but that is only the

:30:40. > :30:49.beginning. Plaid Cymru MPs will resist plans

:30:50. > :30:55.for UK Government departments to centralise jobs away from places

:30:56. > :31:01.like Porth, just down the road. We believe in spreading government jobs

:31:02. > :31:07.across the country, so that as many communities can benefit as possible.

:31:08. > :31:11.We would protect pensions, keeping the triple lock and supporting other

:31:12. > :31:18.trends. And we are pledging action in every other area. A global Wales,

:31:19. > :31:24.so that we can work with other nations and maintained our

:31:25. > :31:27.all-important trade links. Action on climate change and improving the

:31:28. > :31:32.environment, championing rural life, and unsurprisingly, we are pledging

:31:33. > :31:40.to put Wales at the heart of the negotiations to leave the European

:31:41. > :31:44.Union Channel 4 final deal reflects the needs of the Welsh economy.

:31:45. > :31:50.Friends, this action plan contains the priorities of Wales in a UK

:31:51. > :31:53.election. It is not a rehash of the Assembly election but a programme

:31:54. > :31:58.which can work for Wales and Westminster, a programme which

:31:59. > :32:05.enables us to hold the Tories to account, a programme where we, Plaid

:32:06. > :32:11.Cymru, provide the opposition, while Labour fights amongst itself. Take

:32:12. > :32:18.it with you today, read the pledges, shout them from the rooftops. As we

:32:19. > :32:22.are seeing here today in the Rhondda, let's remember one of the

:32:23. > :32:26.greatest blues of these valleys, and one of the heroes of this political

:32:27. > :32:35.party, John Davies, the historian. He said that tenacity is the

:32:36. > :32:38.hallmark of this engined nation. Friends, we've defended Wales

:32:39. > :32:45.before, and in this election, we must do it all over again. Because

:32:46. > :32:51.John Hurt, and I quote, the faith and confidence that the nation in

:32:52. > :32:56.its fullness has yet to be. Let's take that message from here today,

:32:57. > :33:01.that Plaid Cymru is ready to defend Wales, to defend our nation, to

:33:02. > :33:09.defend our economy, our people and to develop. Because while Haq clouds

:33:10. > :33:15.may be covering on the horizon, there is also a ray of hope. We can

:33:16. > :33:25.be the voice of Wales, we can be that ray of hope. Now is the time to

:33:26. > :33:30.defy the old and out of touch parties, to show that we believe in

:33:31. > :33:32.Wales, to defend Wales, to develop Wales, to vote for Wales, to vote

:33:33. > :34:08.for Plaid Cymru. STUDIO: As the photographs are

:34:09. > :34:12.taken, let's talk to our correspondent. How would you sum

:34:13. > :34:16.that up? I think what is clear from the manifesto is that there are a

:34:17. > :34:24.few crucial words - defend was one of the keywords, cropping up many

:34:25. > :34:27.times in this manifesto. If end what is rightfully there for Wales, one

:34:28. > :34:32.of the key pledges from Leanne Wood today, that defence of the money

:34:33. > :34:35.that comes from the EU, Wales is a huge beneficiary of EU money,

:34:36. > :34:41.because it is one of the poorest parts, and Leanne Wood trying to say

:34:42. > :34:43.to the Welsh people, we are the only people that can guarantee that that

:34:44. > :34:48.money will still come from Westminster. We will do our best to

:34:49. > :34:53.do so. She has said today that she would like to defend, put a shield

:34:54. > :34:57.around, the trade deal that the UK has with the European Union. How

:34:58. > :35:01.exactly it would work, I put it to Leanne Wood earlier and she could

:35:02. > :35:06.not quite explain it, but that would still be a key pledge for Plaid

:35:07. > :35:11.Cymru, if they were to get more members elected in parliament in

:35:12. > :35:14.Westminster. Another key part of the manifesto today, it was interesting

:35:15. > :35:19.to read that independence was actually on the first page of this

:35:20. > :35:23.manifesto. In the last one, it was back on page 36. There is not such a

:35:24. > :35:27.major appetite for independence as there is in Scotland, but of course,

:35:28. > :35:31.it is still a key part of Plaid Cymru. Leanne Wood herself would

:35:32. > :35:35.like to see an independent Wales in the future. I put it to her that it

:35:36. > :35:39.was on the first page this time, and she did not say that it was not a

:35:40. > :35:44.huge battle for independence in this Westminster campaign. And I think

:35:45. > :35:48.the third part which stands out in this manifesto today is the attack

:35:49. > :35:53.on the Labour Party and the Tories. The Labour Party in Wales have been

:35:54. > :35:57.so dominant for years here, but she says they have not fulfilled what

:35:58. > :36:01.was originally their purpose, protecting the working people here.

:36:02. > :36:05.But against the Tories, she's outlining to the Welsh people but

:36:06. > :36:07.the Tories would damage the people of Wales by cutting back on public

:36:08. > :36:19.sector jobs workers and things like that. So, she is trying to outline

:36:20. > :36:22.that Plaid Cymru is the only party which can make a difference for the

:36:23. > :36:27.people of Wales. Some of those pledges, we have not had the full

:36:28. > :36:30.details yet. I am struggling to explain how exactly they would work

:36:31. > :36:34.in principle, when I put it to her earlier.

:36:35. > :36:44.Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall joins us in the studio to talk

:36:45. > :36:46.about the work she's doing to try to combat ageism

:36:47. > :36:55.And a new McDonald's advert depicting a child whose father has

:36:56. > :36:58.died has been described as inoffensive by some. We will be

:36:59. > :37:04.discussing that. With the news, here's Joanna

:37:05. > :37:06.in the BBC Newsroom. Greater Manchester Police say

:37:07. > :37:10.they will never close the case of the Moors Murders,

:37:11. > :37:13.despite the death of He had been receiving palliative

:37:14. > :37:19.care in a secure unit at Ashworth Hospital,

:37:20. > :37:22.where he had been Brady and his partner Myra Hindley

:37:23. > :37:32.tortured and murdered five children in the 1960s,

:37:33. > :37:36.burying their bodies Labour says its election

:37:37. > :37:42.manifesto will include plans The party says intervention

:37:43. > :37:50.is needed to tackle sharp It's one of a raft of proposals

:37:51. > :38:00.to be included in Labour's manifesto, which will be published

:38:01. > :38:04.at 11 o'clock this morning. Other plans include

:38:05. > :38:08.nationalising the railways, BBC News will be showing that

:38:09. > :38:12.manifesto launch live at 11, and then at 12.30, Ben Brown will be

:38:13. > :38:14.putting your questions Inflation has risen

:38:15. > :38:18.to its highest level The Inflation rate rose to 2.7%

:38:19. > :38:24.in April from 2.3% the month before. The rise was partly

:38:25. > :38:26.due to the higher cost The White House has rejected media

:38:27. > :38:34.allegations that President Trump revealed highly classified

:38:35. > :38:41.intelligence about the Islamic State group to the Russian Foreign

:38:42. > :38:43.Minister in Washington last week. The claims were made in several

:38:44. > :38:45.American newspapers including President Trump's team have

:38:46. > :38:48.dismissed the reports That's a summary of the latest

:38:49. > :39:07.news - join me for BBC Champions Chelsea celebrated with

:39:08. > :39:11.their home fans for the first time last night since clinching the

:39:12. > :39:16.title. They beat Watford 4-3 at Stamford Bridge. Antonio Conte is

:39:17. > :39:19.equalled the Premier League record twice held by Jose Mourinho of 29

:39:20. > :39:23.victories in a season, and they still have one game left to play.

:39:24. > :39:27.Pep Guardiola says he has been given a second chance at Manchester City

:39:28. > :39:31.after failing to win a trophy in his first season. He claimed that his

:39:32. > :39:35.previous clubs Barcelona were Bayern Munich, might have sacked him by

:39:36. > :39:38.now. Australia cricket captain David Warner has said that the Ashes this

:39:39. > :39:42.year could be in doubt because of a dispute over pay. Former England

:39:43. > :39:46.captain Michael Vaughan says he could see a still a emerging between

:39:47. > :39:51.the English players and the English border in the future. And Roger

:39:52. > :39:55.Federer will be skipping the clay-court season. He is not injured

:39:56. > :39:57.but says he wants to concentrate on the grass and hard court season to

:39:58. > :40:03.come, including Wimbledon, which he has won seven times.

:40:04. > :40:05.Next - Kim Cattrall, the actress best known

:40:06. > :40:09.for playing Samantha in Sex And The City, is here.

:40:10. > :40:11.She's campaigning for better roles for older women,

:40:12. > :40:14.saying ageism is rife in the acting industry.

:40:15. > :40:20.Good morning and thank you very much for coming on our programme.

:40:21. > :40:23.Before we chat to you properly, let's just remind our audience of

:40:24. > :40:51.How many sexual partners have you had? I'm counting. My Maria from the

:40:52. > :41:00.gallery? She's MY Maria now! Yes, ladies, I'm a lesbian. I like young

:41:01. > :41:06.men. I like their company. I want to learn it to be made my soul

:41:07. > :41:15.inheritor - everything! Wow! This place is one-of-a-kind! So are you.

:41:16. > :41:27.This is the last time. It was young evil Knievel, and now it is an

:41:28. > :41:33.ageing knight rider! What's the matter, don't you like your new

:41:34. > :41:45.scarf? Not especially. What a funny way to say hello! What's going on?!

:41:46. > :41:53.My name is... This is a joke, right? It turns out I have cancer. I had a

:41:54. > :41:57.biopsy done, I'm going to give you all the information, I don't want

:41:58. > :42:00.you to get upset or start worrying. I'm just telling you now because I

:42:01. > :42:05.didn't want to accidentally blurt out, I have cancer, in the middle of

:42:06. > :42:09.Miranda's wedding. Hello and thank you for coming on the programme. The

:42:10. > :42:12.last time I saw you was at the Baftas. It was! Which is maybe why

:42:13. > :42:20.you're here this morning! Thank you so much for agreeing to my interview

:42:21. > :42:24.bid at 12 o'clock at night. You were very cheeky and I appreciated it! It

:42:25. > :42:31.was interesting to hear you laughing, watching yourself there,

:42:32. > :42:35.actually, but it is such a diverse bunch of roles that you played. You

:42:36. > :42:39.say that now, your best roles are working in Europe, why is that? I

:42:40. > :42:43.think that Europe knows what to do with women of a certain age, more

:42:44. > :42:47.than America does. Part of it I think is just because America is a

:42:48. > :42:53.younger country, it is youth oriented. So, I have been lucky

:42:54. > :42:58.enough to have been born here, my family is all here, so when I come

:42:59. > :43:03.over and work, I feel there is the support there. I now have a lot of

:43:04. > :43:08.friends in the UK, so it has really been my second home for the past

:43:09. > :43:12.almost 20 years now. And I am so happy to be here, I love doing

:43:13. > :43:16.theatre. It's just part of people's lives here, it is not like an

:43:17. > :43:20.occasion or spec, like it is for a lot of people in America. Here, you

:43:21. > :43:25.go to the theatre, it's just what you do. So, I don't do musicals, I

:43:26. > :43:31.do straight theatre, mostly classical theatre, and there's a

:43:32. > :43:34.huge audience for it, and also the set designers, the theatre

:43:35. > :43:40.companies, they are really the best in the world. But it doesn't make

:43:41. > :43:45.sense, does it, that a whole continent can find roles for older

:43:46. > :43:49.women, and another continent can't? I think part of it is, there's just

:43:50. > :43:53.fewer roles. I am not ready to play someone who is grotesque, either

:43:54. > :43:59.from being fought of as a very, very older woman, you know, at 61 this

:44:00. > :44:07.year, which I'm not and I don't feel that way. 60 now is different from

:44:08. > :44:11.my mother's 16 and my auntie's 60. I have really had the advantage of

:44:12. > :44:14.working out and educating myself further, of travelling, who so many

:44:15. > :44:19.things which have challenged me mentally and physically and demanded

:44:20. > :44:24.for me to be youthful, in a way. My spirit feels much more youthful and

:44:25. > :44:30.I'm not ready for that. So, I just feel that there's very few roles to

:44:31. > :44:33.begin with. And those roles are either in two categories, of

:44:34. > :44:38.somebody wanting to be young in a desperate way, or someone who has

:44:39. > :44:43.given up. That's why I don't depend on Hollywood for jobs any more.

:44:44. > :44:47.That's why I became an Executive Producer. I found a property almost

:44:48. > :44:53.ten years ago, and I thought, this is a character I have never seen on

:44:54. > :44:56.screen, it's a woman who isn't a victim, she's not dying of cancer

:44:57. > :45:02.but she is at a point in her life, where she's saying, what now? My

:45:03. > :45:07.roles as a mother are changing, my son has left, my husband and I are

:45:08. > :45:12.disconnected at this point in my life, but I have 30 or 40 more years

:45:13. > :45:17.of life ahead of me. Who am I now? Those are questions which women my

:45:18. > :45:22.age, which is a huge audience out there, I really want to say to

:45:23. > :45:25.networks, you're missing a big opportunity, the baby boomers are

:45:26. > :45:29.the biggest generation, and we need entertainment, we really do. And I

:45:30. > :45:34.want to provide that, I want to those stories. Can you give me some

:45:35. > :45:40.examples of ageism that you have come across in your world?

:45:41. > :45:47.Well, it starts off in a little bit of a whisper. Can she come in and

:45:48. > :45:52.have a meeting? We want to see what she looks like. We want to see her

:45:53. > :45:56.skin, we want to see where she is at and they really want to kind of

:45:57. > :46:02.see... They want to see how old you look? Exactly. It is a polite way of

:46:03. > :46:06.doing that. And then after the age of 35 in Hollywood, this happened to

:46:07. > :46:11.me personally, the scripts just stop coming. The leading roles because

:46:12. > :46:15.there is a whole host of new young girls coming up and you know they

:46:16. > :46:25.put older men with younger women, you know, it's just so wonderful

:46:26. > :46:29.what's happened with Briget in the French politician's press release,

:46:30. > :46:33.him coming out and saying, Emmanuel Macron saying this is ridiculous, if

:46:34. > :46:41.it was the other way around... Because she is 27 years younger than

:46:42. > :46:51.Emmanuel Macron, sorry older. A slip. I remember when I was offered

:46:52. > :46:56.Samantha and Sex In The City. I was thinking at 41 I can't play this

:46:57. > :47:04.bombshell and I think now it is insane, but in 1997, to be even 40,

:47:05. > :47:08.41 was over the hill, to be a sexual, vital, human being. Are you

:47:09. > :47:12.saying then you don't feel pressure to look younger because you're not

:47:13. > :47:17.playing that game? Or do you still feel that pressure? I don't feel

:47:18. > :47:20.that pressure. If I want to look a certain way, then that's for my

:47:21. > :47:28.satisfaction. I don't do it because of my work. I do it because that

:47:29. > :47:33.makes me feel good. But you look 15, 20 years younger than 60? Thank you.

:47:34. > :47:38.Do you think, if you actually looked your age, you would struggle? This

:47:39. > :47:43.is the question, what does 60 look like now? What does it look like? I

:47:44. > :47:48.am exactly what it looks like. I take care of myself, of course. I

:47:49. > :47:52.don't go out in the sun and I don't drink excessively. I'm not an

:47:53. > :47:56.addictive person. I don't smoke. Those are the questions that people

:47:57. > :48:01.ask you just on a health basis, not as part of an ageing basis, but this

:48:02. > :48:06.is what it looks like. I'm not the only person who looks like this.

:48:07. > :48:11.There are many more of us out there. The kind of work I'm saying yes to

:48:12. > :48:15.is incorporating not just my age, but my experience, that's what I'm

:48:16. > :48:18.coming to the set with and that's why people are continuing to say yes

:48:19. > :48:22.to hiring me because I have an appetite. Want to continue to

:48:23. > :48:29.challenge myself and an audience that has a perception of what 60

:48:30. > :48:35.looks like. Yes. A lot of actresses I had an agent once and I probably

:48:36. > :48:41.fired her and she said, "Why don't you stop telling people your age?" I

:48:42. > :48:48.said screw it, I'm proud of it. When you were younger, did you consider

:48:49. > :48:52.surgery or not Well, when I was younger I didn't need surgery.

:48:53. > :48:55.40-year-old women in Hollywood? You don't have to have surgery now.

:48:56. > :48:59.There are so many possibilities. You don't have to have something

:49:00. > :49:06.invasive? There is so many different options for you, you know, your

:49:07. > :49:10.dermatologist will educate you, if you can go online, I don't think it

:49:11. > :49:13.will come out of just a cream. It's a lifestyle that you choose. But

:49:14. > :49:19.that's easy for me. I would do that a as woman anyway.

:49:20. > :49:21.For every one role for a women, there are three acting roles for

:49:22. > :49:26.men. I would say even more. Would you? Yes. Yes. What is it going to

:49:27. > :49:34.take to change that, do you think? Well, we have been battling since

:49:35. > :49:37.since Shakespeare. I'm so, it's so fantastic that directors like

:49:38. > :49:46.Philippa Lloyd are taking that and making it women's companies of

:49:47. > :49:55.Julius Ceasar and seeing Glenda Jackson play King Lear. Where is our

:49:56. > :49:59.Lear? The closest is Cleopatra which I've done twice. It is a man's

:50:00. > :50:03.world. Look at your profession, how long did it take women to battle

:50:04. > :50:07.through that crystal ceiling and we've still got more to go, but I

:50:08. > :50:10.think by educating yourself and by become ago producer and having

:50:11. > :50:22.passion projects. One of the things I did at the BAFTAs, I found Sara

:50:23. > :50:27.Phelps and I grabbed her and I said, "Write me something." We've got,

:50:28. > :50:32.coming together, there is a wonderful organisation called 50/50

:50:33. > :50:36.which is women actresses who got really annoyed and said we have got

:50:37. > :50:40.to make a stand and encourage network and other producers, but I

:50:41. > :50:45.have taken that upon myself and said listen, I'm in a very special

:50:46. > :50:48.privileged position here to have some kind of a platform and say

:50:49. > :50:53.listen, we have great stories to tell. We have a livhood of

:50:54. > :50:58.experience that we want to bring to our work and the characters we play,

:50:59. > :51:02.that's what was so wonderful about the BAFTAs, that night as we were

:51:03. > :51:06.talking about it earlier, it was an intimate place. This industry that

:51:07. > :51:11.we have, with such wonderful talent, you're 60, you're better than you've

:51:12. > :51:14.ever been. Let us bring that to you as an

:51:15. > :51:20.audience. Let us bring those stories. Do you know of parts where

:51:21. > :51:26.you, that you've played where you have been in terms of your on-screen

:51:27. > :51:32.time given the same amount of time as a male actor, but you've been

:51:33. > :51:35.paid less? Not knowingly. Right. No. Certainly not as a producer!

:51:36. > :51:39.LAUGHTER You can really control those

:51:40. > :51:45.aspects, but to be fair, I didn't want to be paid more than my

:51:46. > :51:50.cohorts. I wanted equal play. Absolutely, in that situation, you

:51:51. > :51:55.know, we had very little budget for Sensitive Skin. I realised what was

:51:56. > :51:59.most important for me was that it would be made. I said I don't know

:52:00. > :52:03.need to make what I would make in the market place. Because I'm

:52:04. > :52:06.producing this, I want us all to be fairly treated, but I want it to be

:52:07. > :52:12.done and I find most actors if there is a role, if it is on the page,

:52:13. > :52:19.they will engag and bring their game. You are filming your next

:52:20. > :52:25.project, you are playing the US President. Yes, I What insight has

:52:26. > :52:28.am. It given you in terms of the kind of characters that want to

:52:29. > :52:33.become Prime Ministers, presidents? Well, of course, this is a fictional

:52:34. > :52:38.story. Yes. But it was fascinating. I always need to find a way into a

:52:39. > :52:43.character. And that's usually through their vulnerability, but

:52:44. > :52:49.just looking at what it takes to even contemplate taking on this job

:52:50. > :52:55.which is an impossible job, is the nar is a sism and some of that is in

:52:56. > :53:02.a negative sense, but the rest of it is to feel thauk even attempt this,

:53:03. > :53:06.never mind make it happen and then have the responsibility of the free

:53:07. > :53:14.world on your shoulders. I mean, that's what I so much admired about

:53:15. > :53:17.Hillary Clinton is her grit and her determination and she had survived

:53:18. > :53:22.it all and I thought here is someone on the other side for the other

:53:23. > :53:29.ticket, the Republican ticket, who is a businessman and a path owe

:53:30. > :53:35.logical Narocist. Are you saying Hillary Clinton was not a narcositt

:53:36. > :53:40.because she wanted to be president? How could you want that for a

:53:41. > :53:48.lifestyle and not have, maybe it is the opposite side? Maybe it is such

:53:49. > :53:51.poor self esteem? But for me, playing the president, she is

:53:52. > :53:55.abducted so the story becomes more of a personal issue, but what I

:53:56. > :54:02.really found interesting in that character specifically was how she

:54:03. > :54:05.sat back and really watched as opposed to react which I wish the

:54:06. > :54:14.president of the United States would do more of. So how are you finding

:54:15. > :54:20.the first 100 and odd days of President Trump's prosecutesy? A lot

:54:21. > :54:24.of sleep. A sky toll gist told me, I can't tell you how many people are

:54:25. > :54:29.sitting opposite me on a daily basis who are terrified. We are showing

:54:30. > :54:33.pictures of Donald Trump when he was in Sex In The City. Yes. Do you

:54:34. > :54:45.think he should have stuck to acting then? I don't think he was an actor!

:54:46. > :54:50.I think he can only play himself! What does it say if anything, that

:54:51. > :54:57.is he was elected after it became clear that he boasted about grabbing

:54:58. > :55:02.women by their pussy? Well, I think he was appealing to a lot of people

:55:03. > :55:08.who felt they were not being heard and I think a lot of people who, you

:55:09. > :55:13.know, they felt that on the Democratic side that was not the

:55:14. > :55:18.right candidate. So they decided not to vote at all which is a vote

:55:19. > :55:24.against what I feel was the right thing to do for the next step for

:55:25. > :55:29.the country. Living in America. So I think that it was a terrible mistake

:55:30. > :55:35.and I think that as the days go by the fear increases and the reality

:55:36. > :55:42.is there for all to see. Let me read some messages. I'm going

:55:43. > :55:45.to have to apologise for your language earlier which you would not

:55:46. > :55:53.have noticed, but somebody will write and complain. Oh dear. It's

:55:54. > :55:59.all right. Don't say it again. Tweet from Christina. "Isn't Kim Cattrall

:56:00. > :56:03.brilliant. It's still a man's world. It is right women still get

:56:04. > :56:09.overlooked in many working roles, not just acting, especially as you

:56:10. > :56:14.get older." A tweet from Bane, "Loving the interview can Kim

:56:15. > :56:19.Cattrall being 60 myself and feeling fab." They are all the same. Another

:56:20. > :56:27.viewer says, "If I looked that good at 60, I will be blessed." A tweet

:56:28. > :56:31.from Laura, "What does 60 look like? The fabulous Kim Cattrall." Can I

:56:32. > :56:34.ask you what you think about the general election campaign? Do you

:56:35. > :56:38.have a view? Would you like to share it if you do? Well, thank god it is

:56:39. > :56:42.shorter than the one in America. That's all I can say! But it is

:56:43. > :56:47.politics, as usual, isn't it? It just is. Who would you vote for? Can

:56:48. > :56:50.I ask you that, or do you think that's naughty? Very, very naughty.

:56:51. > :56:53.LAUGHTER That's got you where you are, isn't

:56:54. > :56:59.it? Well, I don't know. I don't know. In terms of your role as US

:57:00. > :57:06.President, you're filming in Sweden, you go the end of this week, when

:57:07. > :57:12.can people see that? The programme is called Modus and it is ModusII

:57:13. > :57:18.and I think it will air in the fall on BBC Two. And that will be in the

:57:19. > :57:23.fall. OK. Thank you very much. Of course, there is Witness For The

:57:24. > :57:28.Prosecution. Where can people get that? I think that's on BBC iPlayer.

:57:29. > :57:32.I know you have talked in the past about the stigma you say you face

:57:33. > :57:37.for not having children the do you still face that? Are things

:57:38. > :57:44.changing? I continue toe mentor young women so I feel that that part

:57:45. > :57:50.of me, that maternal side of me is still being expressed and I'm still,

:57:51. > :57:54.I feel, that is my role as a mother. Just because you don't have

:57:55. > :57:58.children, doesn't mean that you don't have maternal instincts. It's

:57:59. > :58:03.just part of being human, not just female and I get a tremendous amount

:58:04. > :58:08.of pleasure and they're not just young actresses, I give talks, I

:58:09. > :58:13.give a lot of my time to, I feel people who first of all need it. OK.

:58:14. > :58:17.And are working hard on you know battling through what it is to be 20

:58:18. > :58:22.right now which is really complicated. 60 is easier in some

:58:23. > :58:27.ways. Thank you very much. Thank you for your company. We're back

:58:28. > :58:29.tomorrow at 9am. Have a good day. BBC Newsroom Live is coming up next.

:58:30. > :58:32.Thank you.