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:00:07. > :00:10.Hello, it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Martine Croxall -

:00:11. > :00:16.This morning, we've a special report on the growing number of children

:00:17. > :00:19.in America undergoing electric shock treatment, where a current is passed

:00:20. > :00:23.The controversial therapy is being used on severely autistic

:00:24. > :00:33.Is it cruel, or does it improve their quality of life?

:00:34. > :00:40.There is no doubt that ECT is the only reason that Jonah has any

:00:41. > :00:43.quality of life. It is traumatic rain injury, very much like somebody

:00:44. > :00:45.who has just had a severe concussion.

:00:46. > :00:47.It's been the week of the manifesto, with the main parties

:00:48. > :00:49.releasing their plans for how they would rule if

:00:50. > :00:58.Has any of it made a difference in the way you're going to vote?

:00:59. > :01:02.We are talking to a panel of undecided voters about what they

:01:03. > :01:05.think and of course politicians from the major parties.

:01:06. > :01:08.You may well have seen Three Girls, the powerful BBC drama

:01:09. > :01:10.about the Rochdale child sex abuse ring.

:01:11. > :01:13.It was a harrowing, hard watch and has been praised for how close

:01:14. > :01:27.There is no such thing as a child prostitute. What there is is a child

:01:28. > :01:30.who was being abused. By two? By men who pick on vulnerable girls.

:01:31. > :01:34.Well, a little later we'll be talking to Sarah Rowbotham,

:01:35. > :01:45.the sexual health worker who blew the lid on the scandal.

:01:46. > :01:57.Lots coming up today, that special report on autistic children

:01:58. > :01:59.undergoing shock therapy in America, is it cruel or a way of helping them

:02:00. > :02:02.have a better life? Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:03. > :02:06.we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

:02:07. > :02:10.at the standard network rate. Our top story today -

:02:11. > :02:12.Brexit dominated the televised leaders' debate, which was held last

:02:13. > :02:14.night despite the absence The ITV event saw little

:02:15. > :02:22.disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP,

:02:23. > :02:27.but they repeatedly clashed Our political correspondent

:02:28. > :02:30.Tom Symonds reports. Five party leaders took part,

:02:31. > :02:32.four support Britain In Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn's

:02:33. > :02:41.absence, they turned on the one leader who didn't,

:02:42. > :02:45.Ukip's Paul Nuttall, attacking his support for a hard

:02:46. > :02:47.Brexit and his tough Theresa May may not have had

:02:48. > :02:52.the guts to be here tonight, but her spokesperson in the form

:02:53. > :02:55.of Paul Nuttall certainly appears I know immigration is a difficult

:02:56. > :03:01.topic for politicians, people have understandable concerns,

:03:02. > :03:03.but when we talk about European migrants, we're talking

:03:04. > :03:05.about people who work in our National Health Service,

:03:06. > :03:08.we're talking about people who serve us in our restaurants,

:03:09. > :03:10.we're talking about people The Ukip leader said Brexit

:03:11. > :03:15.would offer Britain enormous trade opportunities,

:03:16. > :03:16.and controlling immigration One of the reasons that wages have

:03:17. > :03:25.stagnated in recent years, and have probably stagnated

:03:26. > :03:28.since about 2004, is because of That's the answer to

:03:29. > :03:35.everything, isn't it? We have an oversupply

:03:36. > :03:37.of labour in this country, The leader of the Greens,

:03:38. > :03:41.Caroline Lucas, said there was no question for which the answer

:03:42. > :03:43.from Ukip wasn't immigration. Not only did Labour give the Tories

:03:44. > :03:50.a blank cheque for a hard Brexit, they basically gave them a lift

:03:51. > :03:53.to the bank and helped The Liberal Democrats are offering

:03:54. > :03:57.a second vote on whether Britain Their leader, Tim Farron,

:03:58. > :04:03.believes it's better the people She's putting together

:04:04. > :04:07.a plan which appeases the Paul Nuttalls and Nigel Farages

:04:08. > :04:10.but damages our children's future. That is why you should

:04:11. > :04:13.have the final say on the Brexit The Plaid Cymru leader, Leanne Wood,

:04:14. > :04:19.was concerned that restrictions on trade post-Brexit could harm

:04:20. > :04:23.Wales' aerospace companies Do you think they're

:04:24. > :04:29.going to stay there? No, of course they're not

:04:30. > :04:31.going to stay there. That's 6500 well-paid jobs in Wales

:04:32. > :04:34.that you are prepared to just Natalie, we have a huge

:04:35. > :04:38.trade deficit... Twice, under fire, Mr Nuttall

:04:39. > :04:42.appeared to confuse Audience members asked how

:04:43. > :04:49.the leaders would invest in schools, hospitals, social care,

:04:50. > :04:53.and the future of younger people. There was general agreement money

:04:54. > :04:56.would need to be found, but when Ukip's Paul Nuttall

:04:57. > :04:58.insisted there would be a financial benefit to Britain leaving the EU,

:04:59. > :05:04.this was the reaction. Is that going to the

:05:05. > :05:12.Health Service, or where? A reference to the infamous

:05:13. > :05:15.battle bus and its promise The bus is going to come

:05:16. > :05:22.driving past any minute! Brexit continues to dominate this

:05:23. > :05:36.unexpected election race. Our political correspondent Eleanor

:05:37. > :05:41.Garnier joins us now from Westminster. The debate last night,

:05:42. > :05:44.you wonder whether Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May thought they had missed

:05:45. > :05:48.a trick by not appearing? It was certainly interesting to hear

:05:49. > :05:52.the party leaders that did turn up discuss issues like Brexit,

:05:53. > :05:56.migration and social care but of course there was lots of criticism

:05:57. > :06:01.for Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn for not turning up. Interestingly

:06:02. > :06:05.because four of the party leaders on that stage backed staying in the

:06:06. > :06:07.European Union in the referendum last year, most of the attacks ended

:06:08. > :06:20.up being directed at Ukip's leader Paul

:06:21. > :06:23.Nuttall, but realistically none of those party leaders are going to end

:06:24. > :06:26.up in Number Ten after the general election and that is why so much of

:06:27. > :06:28.the focus this morning is on the Conservative Party manifesto and

:06:29. > :06:30.changes to social care, that people's properties will now be

:06:31. > :06:32.included in those means test for care at home. The Conservatives

:06:33. > :06:38.saying you will not have to sell your home to papal social care and

:06:39. > :06:41.the threshold will rise to ?100,000, nevertheless Labour saying those

:06:42. > :06:46.changes are sick and sneaky, Tim Farron for the Liberal Democrats

:06:47. > :06:49.calls it at dementia tax. Theresa May did say yesterday there were

:06:50. > :06:53.some big and difficult decisions to be made, I think she and her team

:06:54. > :06:57.will be well aware that some of these policies could risk ending up

:06:58. > :07:02.alienating some of the traditional Tories.

:07:03. > :07:05.This week we have seen the manifesto launches by several parties, at

:07:06. > :07:09.last. What is going to happen today? We

:07:10. > :07:13.will hear more from Labour today, they have a press conference in the

:07:14. > :07:17.next hour or so and unsurprisingly they will keep up the attacks on the

:07:18. > :07:21.Conservatives, not just on the social care issue but saying the

:07:22. > :07:27.Tories did not put out a fully costed manifesto, there was just not

:07:28. > :07:29.enough detail in there, they say. One big issue, immigration, we heard

:07:30. > :07:50.from the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon last night, of course the

:07:51. > :07:51.Conservatives recommitting to bring net migration, the difference

:07:52. > :07:54.between those who arrive and those who leave, back down to the tens of

:07:55. > :07:57.thousands, Michael Fallon admitting last night they have not done the

:07:58. > :07:59.working out on that, they don't know when they will hit that target and

:08:00. > :08:02.therefore don't know how much it will cost. John McDonnell Philae but

:08:03. > :08:05.this morning saying it is a complete joke. It is true to say that unlike

:08:06. > :08:07.Labour and the Liberal Democrats, the Tories, with their manifesto,

:08:08. > :08:09.did not put out a single document with the costings in it.

:08:10. > :08:11.Thank you very much, Eleanor Garnier in Westminster.

:08:12. > :08:17.Annita McVeigh is in the BBC newsroom with the summer of the

:08:18. > :08:20.day's news A man who drove a car along

:08:21. > :08:24.in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager and injuring

:08:25. > :08:26.22 people, said he had "heard voices", according

:08:27. > :08:29.Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice

:08:30. > :08:31.previously for drunk driving, is now in custody.

:08:32. > :08:34.New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication"

:08:35. > :08:43.American warplanes operating over Syria have attacked a convoy

:08:44. > :08:46.carrying pro-government militia forces.

:08:47. > :08:49.The US-led coalition said it was moving towards a base

:08:50. > :08:51.used by Western special forces near the border with Iraq.

:08:52. > :08:54.Last month, the Americans fired 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian

:08:55. > :08:58.But Washington has insisted its latest military action does not

:08:59. > :09:06.mean it is stepping up its role in the Syrian war.

:09:07. > :09:08.President Trump is set to embark on his first foreign visit

:09:09. > :09:14.He's going to Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Vatican.

:09:15. > :09:20.he will be hoping to leave behind the controversy over allegations of

:09:21. > :09:22.collusion between his campaign team and Russia.

:09:23. > :09:25.Last night, he publicly denied asking the sacked FBI director,

:09:26. > :09:27.James Comey, to back off an investigation into his

:09:28. > :09:32.former National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn.

:09:33. > :09:34.Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

:09:35. > :09:36.up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

:09:37. > :09:43.BBC analysis of figures obtained under a Freedom

:09:44. > :09:45.of Information request showed 90% of officers in one

:09:46. > :09:48.The process checks finances, employment history,

:09:49. > :09:50.as well as making a detailed search for any convictions.

:09:51. > :09:57.In 2012, the Association of Chief Police Officers recommended

:09:58. > :09:59.a thorough background vetting for all police officers

:10:00. > :10:07.It's a process that takes several months and checks on all aspects

:10:08. > :10:12.It's designed to ensure that nobody unsuitable is employed.

:10:13. > :10:15.Peter Bunyan was a Devon and Cornwall community support

:10:16. > :10:18.officer jailed for misconduct in the 2013 after using the police

:10:19. > :10:24.An investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission found

:10:25. > :10:29.he would have been rejected if he had undergone proper vetting.

:10:30. > :10:32.The Devon and Cornwall Police Force still has more than 100 front-line

:10:33. > :10:37.staff who haven't been checked according to the latest guidelines.

:10:38. > :10:39.The BBC made a Freedom of Information request asking other

:10:40. > :10:44.forces what was the situation in their area.

:10:45. > :10:48.It found that a total of almost 14,000 police officers hadn't

:10:49. > :10:55.In Northumbria, almost nine out of ten of its officers,

:10:56. > :10:57.that's around 3000 people, hadn't been properly vetted.

:10:58. > :10:59.The force said a retrospective programme of vetting

:11:00. > :11:10.Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, Mike Cunningham,

:11:11. > :11:12.said forces needed to address this matter urgently, while

:11:13. > :11:14.the Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file

:11:15. > :11:17.officers, said it was disappointed to see such a huge backlog.

:11:18. > :11:24.A BBC investigation has found flaws in the voice-recognition

:11:25. > :11:28.security used by one of Britain's biggest banks.

:11:29. > :11:30.HSBC's system analyses customers' voice patterns to allow them

:11:31. > :11:36.The bank says every person's voice is unique and that

:11:37. > :11:42.But the Click technology programme has shown that it is possible

:11:43. > :11:50.for someone to log into an account that's not their own.

:11:51. > :11:52.One of Britain's airports is moving it's control tower

:11:53. > :11:54.around 100 miles away from the actual runway.

:11:55. > :11:58.London City Airport is to become the first in Britain

:11:59. > :12:01.to abandon its bird's-eye view of the runway and use

:12:02. > :12:08.digital technology to monitor planes remotely.

:12:09. > :12:13.Our transport correspondent Richard Westcott reports.

:12:14. > :12:16.Modern airports are dynamic, fast-flowing, hundreds of pieces

:12:17. > :12:19.being moved around every minute, and all of those movements must be

:12:20. > :12:21.tightly choreographed to keep it safe.

:12:22. > :12:24.This is London City Airport, and that is just one of the 300

:12:25. > :12:28.or so take-offs and landings that happen here every day.

:12:29. > :12:32.Until now, all of those flights have been coordinated by a group

:12:33. > :12:37.of controllers who look out of these windows here.

:12:38. > :12:40.But in the future those windows are going to be replaced by these

:12:41. > :12:46.Controllers won't just see the airport, they will be

:12:47. > :12:51.The thing is, this digital control tower is 120 miles

:12:52. > :12:58.We've been shown this simulation, but by 2019 controllers will be

:12:59. > :13:02.sitting here directing traffic for real, using pictures

:13:03. > :13:09.fed from a new camera tower next to the runway.

:13:10. > :13:12.Unlike the old tower, they can zoom in for a better view,

:13:13. > :13:14.put radar data onto the screen to track aircraft.

:13:15. > :13:16.Critically, for safety, the cameras can pick out rogue

:13:17. > :13:21.drones near the airport and light the runway at night.

:13:22. > :13:23.My initial reaction was sceptical because I'm used

:13:24. > :13:27.They give the controller more information in terms

:13:28. > :13:29.of what they can see, what they can hear, how

:13:30. > :13:33.they can identify targets, how they can track targets.

:13:34. > :13:36.The awareness that the controller gets, it's all about being heads up,

:13:37. > :13:40.A tower controller's job is we get paid to look out of the window,

:13:41. > :13:45.Now I know exactly what you're thinking.

:13:46. > :13:47.The number one question I've been asked by everybody

:13:48. > :13:50.I've told about this is, what if the TV screens go down,

:13:51. > :13:59.The system has been independently stress tested

:14:00. > :14:07.We have three cables that are in place between the airport

:14:08. > :14:10.If one of those was to fail, there's a back-up.

:14:11. > :14:15.And in the event that that fails, there's another cable.

:14:16. > :14:17.And they're all routed, taking different routes

:14:18. > :14:22.London City is convinced the new system will make

:14:23. > :14:29.their operations more efficient and more safe.

:14:30. > :14:32.The idea of a control tower miles from the airport may seem odd,

:14:33. > :14:41.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

:14:42. > :14:46.This morning we are talking about political party manifestos and also

:14:47. > :14:48.about the BBC drama Three Girls. Do get in touch with us

:14:49. > :14:50.throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

:14:51. > :15:00.at the standard network rate. Let's take a look at some of the

:15:01. > :15:04.sports stories at the moment, Ollie Foster is with us this morning. Some

:15:05. > :15:09.dramatic football matches last night?

:15:10. > :15:13.Yes, we have had the play-off semifinals over the weekend, a

:15:14. > :15:17.couple of days ago Huddersfield and wedding got into that ?200 million

:15:18. > :15:22.play-off final in the championship to get into the Premier League, that

:15:23. > :15:25.was dramatic in itself just by the fact there is so much riding on

:15:26. > :15:31.those play-off semifinals, that is coming up in ten days, something

:15:32. > :15:35.like that. A bit lower into League 1 and League 2, two incredible

:15:36. > :15:41.play-off semifinals last night. Blackpool had been in a bit of a

:15:42. > :15:47.death spent in the Premier League but they have just squeaked into the

:15:48. > :15:52.play-offs by a single point in the two, it was 3-2 on the night against

:15:53. > :15:57.Luton, 5-4 on aggregate, and look at that, Luton's goalie, Stuart Moore,

:15:58. > :16:01.it was an own goal in the end, I think it was coming in, that was in

:16:02. > :16:06.stoppage time. Luton finished third in the league, by far the strongest

:16:07. > :16:11.team in the play-offs, but that is what the play-offs are all about,

:16:12. > :16:17.Blackpool are into the Wembley final and they will be playing Exeter, who

:16:18. > :16:21.played Carlisle last night. Very similar, this finished 6-5 on

:16:22. > :16:25.aggregate. Carlisle had just equalised, the tie was heading for

:16:26. > :16:30.extra time, that man celebrating there, Jack Stacey, he spent a bit

:16:31. > :16:36.of time on loan at Carlisle last season, so they are heading to

:16:37. > :16:37.Wembley to face Blackpool on May the 28th, nervous occasions, those

:16:38. > :16:45.Wembley finals. I meant to ask you about a

:16:46. > :16:52.meaningless match in the Premier League involving Leicester!

:16:53. > :16:58.Recovered the Leicester story last year, with all those celebrations

:16:59. > :17:03.but not much riding on this. Leicester tried to defend their

:17:04. > :17:07.title but just hoped to finish in the top half of the table. Spurs,

:17:08. > :17:12.some unfinished business, they missed out to Leicester to the title

:17:13. > :17:18.last year and they went to the King power last night and absolutely

:17:19. > :17:23.thrashed Leicester 6-1. Harry Kane is now top scorer in the league with

:17:24. > :17:29.26, two clear of Romelu Lukaku heading into the final game also he

:17:30. > :17:35.has 32 in all competitions. These were a couple of his goals. He

:17:36. > :17:39.scored four on the night, his fourth hat-trick of the season, the first

:17:40. > :17:45.time he has scored four in the game -- Simmons on got the other two. It

:17:46. > :17:52.equals Spurs' biggest away win in the top division. This week has had

:17:53. > :17:54.a couple of stinking games, Manchester United against

:17:55. > :18:03.Southampton was terrible! It had a bit of an end of term feel. But 6-1,

:18:04. > :18:06.Spurs really enjoy that. In the Scottish Premiership, that also

:18:07. > :18:14.concludes at the weekend, Celtic are still unbeaten, they are up to 103

:18:15. > :18:20.points. They beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night. They are 30 points

:18:21. > :18:24.clear of Aberdeen. The last time they went through the whole season

:18:25. > :18:29.unbeaten was 1898, that is what is riding on their last match of the

:18:30. > :18:30.season. Meaningless but at the same time you always find something to

:18:31. > :18:35.play for. 30 points is what they call a

:18:36. > :18:39.convincing lead! Thank you. Children in America are undergoing

:18:40. > :18:41.electric shock treatment Now known as Electro

:18:42. > :18:46.Convulsive Therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment

:18:47. > :18:48.is being used on severely autistic The BBC has been given

:18:49. > :18:54.access to film a child Our World's Chris Rogers has

:18:55. > :19:00.been to meet parents who say the treatment

:19:01. > :19:02.is helping their children, and And just to warn you that the film

:19:03. > :19:07.shows children self-harming and undergoing Electro Convulsive

:19:08. > :19:09.Therapy - images that some 16-year-old Jonah is about to have

:19:10. > :19:21.electroconvulsive therapy, We're doing bilateral

:19:22. > :19:27.electro placement, 20%. Our cameras have been invited

:19:28. > :19:30.for the first time to film this Modern ECT is a very simple,

:19:31. > :19:38.safe, quick procedure. Some call for a total ban

:19:39. > :19:42.on ECT for children. Very much like somebody who has just

:19:43. > :19:50.endured a severe concussion. But Jonah's mother, Amy,

:19:51. > :19:52.is campaigning to allow more children like him

:19:53. > :19:54.to have the procedure. There is no doubt that ECT

:19:55. > :19:58.is the only reason that Jonah has Jonah is autistic, and before

:19:59. > :20:03.the treatment he used to lash But some families feel

:20:04. > :20:20.it's their only option. In 2009, US Army intelligence

:20:21. > :20:26.officer Chad Calvaresi and his wife Casey travelled to Serbia,

:20:27. > :20:33.to adopt five-year-old Sophia. Sophia had spent much of her short

:20:34. > :20:36.life suffering neglect and abuse The first day we were with her,

:20:37. > :20:49.she hit us all and bit us all and pulled my hair,

:20:50. > :20:52.and punched our youngest son. Determined to give Sophia

:20:53. > :20:58.a better life, they brought We had great hope that, you know,

:20:59. > :21:08.we kept saying I can't wait to see At that point, I was convinced

:21:09. > :21:15.that our love would heal her. But over the next few years,

:21:16. > :21:17.Sophia became increasingly It just increased and increased

:21:18. > :21:31.and increased up to the point that we weren't even sure

:21:32. > :21:33.how to keep her safe. It's kind of the worst-case

:21:34. > :21:36.scenario, we had to bring This is the last time,

:21:37. > :21:42.where she had beat herself so bad her nose was busted

:21:43. > :21:45.and was bleeding, her lips It's estimated one in ten autistic

:21:46. > :21:53.children seriously self harm. Some theories linking to anxiety,

:21:54. > :21:59.caused by an overload Others to frustration -

:22:00. > :22:03.autistic children can Behavioural disturbance is very

:22:04. > :22:11.common in children with autism. Often times it is readily amenable

:22:12. > :22:15.to behavioural treatments, but sometimes those behaviours

:22:16. > :22:17.cannot be easily curtailed, and can become quite

:22:18. > :22:23.dangerous for the child. In early 2016, for her own safety,

:22:24. > :22:28.Sophia had to leave home and go into a secure unit at the renowned

:22:29. > :22:30.Kennedy Krieger Institute It often took three highly trained

:22:31. > :22:37.care staff using special techniques to prevent Sophia injuring

:22:38. > :22:43.herself and others. We have tried years of behavioural

:22:44. > :22:50.therapy, years of medication, and we have proven time and again

:22:51. > :22:53.that, for Sophia, these So, like every other mum dealing

:22:54. > :23:01.with any problem with your kids, I went to Google and said,

:23:02. > :23:06.right, Doctor Google. Casey came across author

:23:07. > :23:12.and campaigner Amy Lutz, whose own violently autistic son

:23:13. > :23:16.Jonah has had ECT for five years. Well, ECT has been transformative

:23:17. > :23:22.for Jonah's life and for our life. We went from a period of time

:23:23. > :23:25.for years where Jonah was raging, The only reason he is able to be

:23:26. > :23:33.home, and with us in Atlantic City, the only reason he is able to do

:23:34. > :23:36.that is because of ECT. Some human rights organisations

:23:37. > :23:41.call for a total ban. Leading the fight against ECT

:23:42. > :23:48.is Doctor Peter Breggan, who has long campaigned

:23:49. > :23:50.against the psychiatric After seeing for myself the

:23:51. > :23:56.desperation of Sophia's situation, I want to know why he thinks ECT

:23:57. > :24:02.should never be an option. The electricity not only travels

:24:03. > :24:09.through the front lobes - that's where the electrodes are,

:24:10. > :24:11.that's the seat of intelligence It also goes through the temporal

:24:12. > :24:19.lobes, just the tip of the temporal You are blasting with an electric

:24:20. > :24:27.current the seat of memory. You are damaging the very

:24:28. > :24:33.expression of the personality, the character, the individuality,

:24:34. > :24:35.and even if you believe it, Jonah is heading into New York

:24:36. > :24:43.for his latest ECT session. He is one of just a few hundred

:24:44. > :24:46.self injuring children to have the treatment

:24:47. > :24:47.since it was introduced With the long-term effects not

:24:48. > :24:54.known, its use on children is blocked in some countries

:24:55. > :24:58.and in a handful of US states. But Jonah's doctor is so convinced

:24:59. > :25:02.it is effective and safe, for the first time, he is allowing

:25:03. > :25:10.Amy and our cameras to witness it. I think almost all the problem

:25:11. > :25:15.with ECT is misinformation, misunderstanding about what modern

:25:16. > :25:19.ECT is, and continued perpetuation of the sensationalist

:25:20. > :25:21.portrayals of the past. Jonah has had around

:25:22. > :25:30.260 ECT sessions. The modern treatment is carried out

:25:31. > :25:33.under general anaesthetic, with muscle relaxants

:25:34. > :25:38.to prevent violent convulsions. We are doing bilateral electro

:25:39. > :25:44.placement, 20% at 0.5. Doctors admit they don't know

:25:45. > :25:49.exactly how ECT works. There is a lot of interesting

:25:50. > :25:54.new neural imaging research showing that ECT actually reverses some

:25:55. > :25:57.of the brain problems in the major We don't exactly know why it works

:25:58. > :26:03.in people with autism and superimposed mood disorders,

:26:04. > :26:11.but we think it probably re-regulates the circuits

:26:12. > :26:13.in the brain that are deregulated Doctor Kelner administers just

:26:14. > :26:17.an amp of electric current ECT specialists believe this in some

:26:18. > :26:40.way resets the malfunctioning brain. Any thoughts, Amy, now that

:26:41. > :26:42.you have seen it yourself? You know, there is a

:26:43. > :26:51.little bit of movement. I have seen Jonah have a real

:26:52. > :26:54.grand mal seizure before The ECT alleviates Jonah's

:26:55. > :27:02.self injuring behaviour It's generally a very

:27:03. > :27:11.simple and safe, easy, Still, medical experts are very

:27:12. > :27:20.sceptical that ECT does anything in particular for children

:27:21. > :27:22.like Jonah, and that I think those are uneducated

:27:23. > :27:30.criticisms, and the way to counter them is to show people what modern

:27:31. > :27:35.ECT is really like, and show them the results with

:27:36. > :27:36.patients like Jonah. Some doctors say that they can

:27:37. > :27:40.suffer memory loss? Well, we know a lot about long-term

:27:41. > :27:43.effects, because there are patients with more typical indications

:27:44. > :27:46.for ECT who have been getting maintenance ECT for many

:27:47. > :27:50.years, some for decades. There really are no cumulative

:27:51. > :27:53.adverse effects of the treatment, so it seems to be very safe even

:27:54. > :27:58.to continue it for a long period. Worldwide, about 1 million

:27:59. > :28:03.people have ECT each year. Most for severe, often

:28:04. > :28:06.life-threatening depression. Though the severity and even

:28:07. > :28:20.the definition is hotly disputed. Studies by ECT doctors suggest most

:28:21. > :28:23.memory lapses are very short term. With memory function soon

:28:24. > :28:26.returning to normal. Those against ECT have produced

:28:27. > :28:28.surveys showing more than half of patients suffering

:28:29. > :28:47.long-term memory loss. When the person wakes up, they have

:28:48. > :28:51.all the signs, if they can speak, They may not know who they

:28:52. > :28:56.are or where they are, A referee would stop a boxing match

:28:57. > :29:08.if the boxer got hit and looked like somebody coming out of ECT,

:29:09. > :29:11.because they come out concussed. In Baltimore, Sophia has been

:29:12. > :29:13.in the Kennedy Krieger neurobehavioural unit

:29:14. > :29:16.for seven months. One month later, Sofia's doctors

:29:17. > :29:28.give the go-ahead for ECT. Probably after the third

:29:29. > :29:30.or fourth treatment, we really started to see a marked

:29:31. > :29:36.improvement in her mood. And an additional 30 to 40%

:29:37. > :29:38.reduction just in the sheer And in September, having been

:29:39. > :29:45.in the unit all year, Sophia is allowed home to live

:29:46. > :29:49.with her family. The family say they have

:29:50. > :30:03.seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours,

:30:04. > :30:05.they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of

:30:06. > :30:11.behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few

:30:12. > :30:16.minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia

:30:17. > :30:18.has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was

:30:19. > :30:27.going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing

:30:28. > :30:32.multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing

:30:33. > :30:40.zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon,

:30:41. > :30:52.six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use

:30:53. > :30:59.approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression

:31:00. > :31:22.usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior

:31:23. > :31:27.to her usual scheduled ECT. ECT for severely self-injuring

:31:28. > :31:34.autistic children like Sophia And without a long-term

:31:35. > :31:40.scientific study, it remains Right now, Sofia's

:31:41. > :31:50.parents have no regrets. What about the thought

:31:51. > :31:58.of ECT every single week But, what future did

:31:59. > :32:20.she have without it? We have had reaction already do that

:32:21. > :32:24.very powerful film. I tweet says, AST, sensory deficit kids being

:32:25. > :32:27.given an electric shock treatment for self harm is alarming that well

:32:28. > :32:32.covered. Natalie says, my son has ASD and I

:32:33. > :32:37.think this is an evil treatment to give to anyone let alone a child who

:32:38. > :32:41.cannot voice their own opinion. Luis days, I believe ECT is

:32:42. > :32:43.acceptable for autistic children who exhibit severe self harm and only as

:32:44. > :32:50.a last resort. Thank you for those comments.

:32:51. > :33:02.You can see a longer version of Chris Rogers' film,

:33:03. > :33:05."My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC

:33:06. > :33:07.News Channel at 9.30pm on Sunday and on the BBC iPlayer.

:33:08. > :33:10.And later in the programme we'll be discussing whether this therapy

:33:11. > :33:13.should ever be used to treat autistic children here in the UK.

:33:14. > :33:19.After a week of manifesto launches, we'll be having a look

:33:20. > :33:22.at three of the issues you tell us are most important.

:33:23. > :33:23.We'll also be speaking to politicians and later

:33:24. > :33:26.to undecided voters to see if it's made things any clearer.

:33:27. > :33:29.And after the chilling finale to last night's Three Girls,

:33:30. > :33:31.which tells the true story of child sexual abuse in Rochdale

:33:32. > :33:34.by a gang of Asian men, we speak to the woman who blew

:33:35. > :33:41.Here's Annita with a summary of the day's news.

:33:42. > :33:45.Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate,

:33:46. > :33:47.held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

:33:48. > :33:52.The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems,

:33:53. > :33:54.Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed

:33:55. > :34:02.And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity

:34:03. > :34:06.to put your questions about the election

:34:07. > :34:10.and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym.

:34:11. > :34:13.You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:34:14. > :34:16.or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well

:34:17. > :34:22.A man who drove a car along pavements in New York's Times

:34:23. > :34:25.Square, killing a teenager and injuring 22 people, said he had

:34:26. > :34:27."heard voices", according to law enforcement sources.

:34:28. > :34:31.Richard Rojas, a US navy veteran who was arrested twice

:34:32. > :34:33.previously for drunk driving, is now in custody.

:34:34. > :34:36.New York mayor Bill de Blasio said there was "no indication"

:34:37. > :34:45.Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

:34:46. > :34:46.up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

:34:47. > :34:57.Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information

:34:58. > :35:00.request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police -

:35:01. > :35:03.The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address

:35:04. > :35:10.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:35:11. > :35:21.Let's check out all of the sports News now with Ollie.

:35:22. > :35:26.A very dramatic night in the League Two play-off semi-finals

:35:27. > :35:36.Blackpool, who were in the Premier League six years ago,

:35:37. > :35:38.have reached the final after a stoppage-time goal at Luton

:35:39. > :35:44.They will play Exeter after an equally nervy

:35:45. > :35:50.That was also balanced at 5-5 and heading to extra time

:35:51. > :35:52.Harry Kane scored four goals last night in Tottenham's

:35:53. > :35:55.6-1 win at Leicester - he is two goals clear

:35:56. > :35:57.of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the golden boot.

:35:58. > :35:59.Celtic are still unbeaten in the Scottish Premiership with one

:36:00. > :36:02.game to play they beat Partick Thistle 5-0 last night.

:36:03. > :36:05.British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia -

:36:06. > :36:08.he was involved in a nasty crash on Sunday, when he was in

:36:09. > :36:10.second place overall, but he injured his shoulder

:36:11. > :36:14.This week three of the main parties have published their manifestos.

:36:15. > :36:17.These are their plans for how they'd run the country if they win

:36:18. > :36:23.Well, all three parties have made bold claims to appeal to

:36:24. > :36:26.Labour would scrap university tuition fees, the Lib Dems

:36:27. > :36:29.want to give dads an extra month of paid paternity leave,

:36:30. > :36:31.and the Conservatives say they'll cut net migration to below 100,000.

:36:32. > :36:35.We've taken three areas - social care, Brexit

:36:36. > :36:37.and welfare benefits - that our viewers have

:36:38. > :36:39.told us are important, and broken down what each

:36:40. > :36:44.We've also invited back some of the undecided voters that we've

:36:45. > :36:47.had on the programme during the campaign to see if any

:36:48. > :36:57.We'll speak to them in about half-an-hour's time.

:36:58. > :36:59.We're going to be talking to Labour candidate for Brent North

:37:00. > :37:01.Barry Gardiner, and Liberal Democrat candidate for Kingston

:37:02. > :37:05.We naturally asked the Conservatives to take part in the discussion,

:37:06. > :37:12.The Conservatives want to leave the single market.

:37:13. > :37:14.They've made no commitments on freedom of movement.

:37:15. > :37:17.Labour say they would rip up the existing plans,

:37:18. > :37:20.and make staying in the single market a priority.

:37:21. > :37:28.They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK.

:37:29. > :37:32.The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum,

:37:33. > :37:41.this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU.

:37:42. > :37:49.Good morning to you both, thank you for joining us. Last night's debate

:37:50. > :37:53.was very much focused at times on Brexit, it has been billed as the

:37:54. > :37:57.Brexit general election campaign. Our relevant, though, when you are

:37:58. > :38:02.campaigning on the doorstep, is Brexit? Interesting, because

:38:03. > :38:06.actually people tend not to bring up Brexit on the doorstep. The things

:38:07. > :38:10.that are coming out on the doorstep of the worries they have over the

:38:11. > :38:15.Conservatives' plans to erode the value of their houses in old age,

:38:16. > :38:23.the way in which the schools are being starved of funding, and, in my

:38:24. > :38:27.area, sometimes it is up to ?1000 per pupil bossed by schools. That is

:38:28. > :38:32.huge and parents are really worried about this, and of course the other

:38:33. > :38:36.things coming up are about the housing crisis, and we need more

:38:37. > :38:40.homes for our young people to be able to even just rent at an

:38:41. > :38:44.affordable cost, so building homes is really, really critical. What

:38:45. > :38:50.about for the Liberal Democrats, how much resonance does Brexit have for

:38:51. > :38:53.you, given that if the Liberal Democrats -- if the Conservatives

:38:54. > :38:57.get the majority they are hoping for, they will be able to do

:38:58. > :39:02.whatever they like with Brexit? In our parliament, if you have a good

:39:03. > :39:07.opposition, people with experience, we can challenge the negotiations of

:39:08. > :39:11.the Tories, expose them, so their threat to pull Britain out of the

:39:12. > :39:15.single market is going to be shocking to people's jobs, people

:39:16. > :39:20.are going to lose jobs hand over fist if they pull us out of the

:39:21. > :39:24.single market and I think if we have Liberal Democrats in parliament to

:39:25. > :39:27.expose that, they will have to change their negotiating position.

:39:28. > :39:31.But this was warned before, the Remain camp said it is going to be

:39:32. > :39:37.disastrous for the economy, it hasn't been so far... We haven't

:39:38. > :39:42.left! People might have to see it to believe it? Possibly but people do

:39:43. > :39:45.like argument and the fact that the Conservatives won't turn up today,

:39:46. > :39:49.didn't turn up to the leaders debate, I have to tell you and your

:39:50. > :39:53.viewers that they keep refusing to turn up to debate, that is the

:39:54. > :39:56.shocking part of the selection, the fact the Tories won't even debate,

:39:57. > :40:00.and the reason they don't want to debate is this, so many of their

:40:01. > :40:04.policies are damaging ordinarily people, taking money from the

:40:05. > :40:11.schools, the health service, from the most vulnerable and poorest

:40:12. > :40:14.people in our society. I'm not surprised they don't want to turn up

:40:15. > :40:16.because it is a shocking policy they have got. And yet they seem to be

:40:17. > :40:19.appealing beyond their normal heartland... It is not the

:40:20. > :40:25.Conservative Party but the Tabriz may party. What they are trying to

:40:26. > :40:30.do is keep the British people that they are just voting for her, like a

:40:31. > :40:33.presidential election. They are not, they are voting for the Conservative

:40:34. > :40:37.Party, right-wing politicians with a right-wing agenda that will hurt

:40:38. > :40:40.most people in our society. The most important thing is to talk about the

:40:41. > :40:46.issue here and the issue about Brexit is this, where we disagree

:40:47. > :40:50.and the Labour Party from the Liberal Democrat if we accept the

:40:51. > :40:53.result of the referendum, we say we are going to leave the European

:40:54. > :40:57.Union but the way in which we do that has to be resolved. The way we

:40:58. > :41:01.disagree with the Conservative Party is simply this, they want to put

:41:02. > :41:06.their immigration policy at the heart of the Brexit negotiations and

:41:07. > :41:11.they will sacrifice our economy, the jobs and the wealth creation that we

:41:12. > :41:20.need, for the immigration policy, and that is why we are saying no, we

:41:21. > :41:23.start with the economy as the main thing, it is people's jobs that are

:41:24. > :41:26.most important and therefore we need to negotiate, we won't be members of

:41:27. > :41:30.the internal market but we need access, we need all the benefits

:41:31. > :41:33.that came from friction free access into those markets both through the

:41:34. > :41:38.single market and the customs union is that we will no longer have.

:41:39. > :41:42.Brexit means we leave but then we have to negotiate the terms not

:41:43. > :41:47.dictated by immigration policy but negotiated by jobs and the economy.

:41:48. > :41:52.Why do you not emphasise what you have in common over Brexit, which

:41:53. > :41:56.may be an acceptance that we leave but why not club together and say,

:41:57. > :42:01.let's give people a second vote on how we leave, the terms under which

:42:02. > :42:04.we leave? There is a problem, the Labour Party voted for Article 50

:42:05. > :42:10.and wanted it to go ahead in the way it is going... Wasn't that just

:42:11. > :42:14.recognising that we have voted to leave in the referendum? No, it

:42:15. > :42:18.wasn't, because it is how you leave, we were not told how you leave and

:42:19. > :42:23.the Liberal Democrats wanted to make sure that the negotiating agreement

:42:24. > :42:28.had to protect the rights of EU citizens. Barry, I have to say, let

:42:29. > :42:31.me finish, you were incorrect about the Liberal Democrat position and

:42:32. > :42:36.people need to know what it is. We accept the result of the referendum,

:42:37. > :42:39.Liberal Democrats would negotiate a Brexit deal and then at the end of

:42:40. > :42:44.those negotiations, which is probably going to take three or four

:42:45. > :42:47.years, possibly longer, at the end of those negotiations, when we

:42:48. > :42:51.eventually know what Brexit means, because we still don't know, we are

:42:52. > :42:57.saying that should be put to the people, it should be decided by the

:42:58. > :43:00.people. This thing started with the people, it should end with the

:43:01. > :43:07.people and not forced on by people like Barry or Theresa May. I want to

:43:08. > :43:11.move on... I'm happy to but can I make one quick point? That is that

:43:12. > :43:18.when they vote, the point is they should not be able to counter the

:43:19. > :43:24.referendum result, and that is... If the Brexit deal is a bad deal... You

:43:25. > :43:29.not to talk over you, Ed. The reason for that is because you and you and

:43:30. > :43:33.I and every other politician during that referendum debate, we went out

:43:34. > :43:36.there and we said, this is important, this is really important

:43:37. > :43:39.because if you vote in the referendum you are deciding what

:43:40. > :43:45.happens to this country... You are interrupting me again. We could

:43:46. > :43:47.decide whether we left or not. We could keep talking about this, or we

:43:48. > :43:49.could examine another issue! All parties have pledged to put

:43:50. > :43:52.billions more into the NHS. The Conservatives say they'll

:43:53. > :43:57.provide free social care but only once people's assets fall below

:43:58. > :43:59.?100,000, and that includes Labour wants to create

:44:00. > :44:04.a National Care Service, and put an extra ?8 billion

:44:05. > :44:06.into social care over The Liberal Democrats plan to add 1p

:44:07. > :44:12.more onto each rate on income tax and spend some of that money

:44:13. > :44:24.on social care. How can it be, then, Ed Davey, that

:44:25. > :44:27.the Conservatives in the last two years, before that Inca religion

:44:28. > :44:33.with your party, have been in charge of the NHS, in charge of social

:44:34. > :44:38.care, people say that they want better social care, they want a fit

:44:39. > :44:42.for purpose NHS, and yet many of them are saying they still trust the

:44:43. > :44:46.Conservatives to do the right thing by it? People waking up today will

:44:47. > :44:50.hear what the Tories announced yesterday in the manifesto, and what

:44:51. > :44:55.they announced in the manifesto is people who worked hard all their

:44:56. > :44:59.lives, bought a house, paid off the mortgage, if they are unlucky in the

:45:00. > :45:03.lottery of life to need a lot of care through maybe not dementia in

:45:04. > :45:17.later life, they will lose all those savings down to the last ?100,000,

:45:18. > :45:19.so basically what the Conservatives have done yesterday is reduce the

:45:20. > :45:22.inheritance tax threshold, which is about ?300,000, and put it down to

:45:23. > :45:25.?100,000, taxing people at 100%, so if you have got home, got a pension

:45:26. > :45:28.and you are old, I would be worried because the Conservatives are coming

:45:29. > :45:30.after you. Your family will have the trauma of having looked after you

:45:31. > :45:35.with your long-term dementia care needs and then they would get any

:45:36. > :45:39.inheritance. This is a tax on saving, a tax on death, a tax on

:45:40. > :45:43.inheritance and when people hear what the Tories proposed yesterday I

:45:44. > :45:50.think they will think twice about voting Tory. But they will be

:45:51. > :45:53.allowed to keep why shouldn't people have to pay for their own social

:45:54. > :45:57.care? Not everybody will need it. The point is this, there was an

:45:58. > :46:00.agreement to cap the cost of social care, it was indeed do not purport

:46:01. > :46:04.and the Government committed itself to its seven years ago. What

:46:05. > :46:08.happened there is they said there would be a feeling of ?76,000,

:46:09. > :46:12.nobody would have to pay more than that, it would rise with

:46:13. > :46:17.inflation... They would get a new mandate this way. That is what they

:46:18. > :46:22.are seeking, they are transferring the burden of your social care from

:46:23. > :46:25.the insurance policy that is our society, that we pay national

:46:26. > :46:30.insurance contributions in order to get, they are transferring the

:46:31. > :46:35.burden of your social care from the society to you, and they are saying

:46:36. > :46:38.that if you have a home, any homeowner receiving care in their

:46:39. > :46:42.own home now, instead of not having to pay if they have less than a

:46:43. > :46:55.certain threshold in cash, will pay the full cost of their care right

:46:56. > :46:58.the way, if that house is worth half ?1 million, in London that is not a

:46:59. > :47:01.very big house, they will pay the full cost of their house down to

:47:02. > :47:04.that last ?100,000. Older people are worried, sitting there thinking, all

:47:05. > :47:06.that I have built up in my life is being eroded, I wanted to pass

:47:07. > :47:13.something onto my children and the only way I can stop this process is

:47:14. > :47:18.by dying. That is appalling! It is absolutely horrific! Old people will

:47:19. > :47:22.be afraid of living too long so that they cannot pass something onto

:47:23. > :47:26.their children, that is what this Conservative Government is doing.

:47:27. > :47:30.I'm going to talk about a related subject which is welfare and

:47:31. > :47:32.benefits. The Conservatives would scrap

:47:33. > :47:34.the current protections on pensions payments and start means testing

:47:35. > :47:36.for winter fuel payments, taking Labour say they would abolish

:47:37. > :47:40.bedroom tax and reverse They'd also freeze

:47:41. > :47:44.the pension age at 66. The Lib Dems would reverse

:47:45. > :47:47.the cuts to universal credit and the cuts to housing benefit

:47:48. > :47:59.for 18-21 year olds. We need to be quite quick on this

:48:00. > :48:07.I'm afraid. Means testing a universal benefit, surely that make

:48:08. > :48:13.some sense, to try to rebalance with the different generations are

:48:14. > :48:15.getting. The benefit cuts the Tories are putting in which you have not

:48:16. > :48:21.covered are probably even more shocking. If you lose your partner,

:48:22. > :48:25.your husband or wife, and you are widowed, they used to be a

:48:26. > :48:29.bereavement benefit to help you and your children deal with that. They

:48:30. > :48:34.are slashing that back in the most extraordinary way. I feel passionate

:48:35. > :48:38.about this, my mother was widowed at 36 with three boys under ten and she

:48:39. > :48:42.died when I was 15 and that bereavement benefit was essential

:48:43. > :48:46.for my family and my mother to look after those children and the

:48:47. > :48:50.Conservatives are taking valuable resources away from people who lose

:48:51. > :48:54.their husband or wife. It is one of the most disgusting things I've ever

:48:55. > :48:56.seen in British politics and the Tory MPs and Theresa May who

:48:57. > :49:02.proposed this should hang their heads in shame. I agree with that

:49:03. > :49:09.and that is why the Labour manifesto said we would put back that

:49:10. > :49:12.bereavement support and reversed that can't. The question was about

:49:13. > :49:19.Winter Fuel Payment, and what is behind that, is if wealthy people

:49:20. > :49:23.should get those payments as well, why it should wealthy people who

:49:24. > :49:28.maybe don't need that allowance get it? The answer is simply this, it is

:49:29. > :49:33.a universal benefit. The importance of universal benefit is quite simply

:49:34. > :49:36.that nobody feels that they are subsidising other people getting

:49:37. > :49:40.things when they are not getting them themselves. We want people to

:49:41. > :49:44.understand that actually we are all part of society and that people who

:49:45. > :49:50.are paying their taxes are getting the same benefit. It is right, not a

:49:51. > :49:56.charity. And if it is means tested, there is the cost of and also, old

:49:57. > :50:01.people say if I have to fill out a form to do this, I don't feel

:50:02. > :50:06.comfortable actually telling people what might income is and what I'm

:50:07. > :50:11.doing. They don't claim it. And that means they would rather go without

:50:12. > :50:19.lunch or a huddle under a blanket than actually feel they are taking

:50:20. > :50:25.what they see as charity. It's not charity, it is your right to be warm

:50:26. > :50:29.in old age and we as a society have to accept that. We have scratched

:50:30. > :50:30.the surface and had not had enough time but thank you very much for

:50:31. > :50:40.answering those questions. You can see a full list of advocates

:50:41. > :50:41.for Brent North and Kingston and Surbiton on our website. -- of

:50:42. > :50:44.candidates. And we're going to be in Dunstable

:50:45. > :50:47.in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May If you've made up your mind already

:50:48. > :50:56.who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't think you'll

:50:57. > :50:59.bother, and would like the chance to share your views and grill senior

:51:00. > :51:02.politicians on their policies, There are more details

:51:03. > :51:18.on our Facebook and Twitter pages. The last episode of Three

:51:19. > :51:21.Girls aired last night. It's been watched by up

:51:22. > :51:23.to 5 million of you. It tells the story of the young

:51:24. > :51:27.girls who were groomed In 2012, nine men were jailed

:51:28. > :51:33.for their part in it. The men - mostly British Pakistanis

:51:34. > :51:36.- started by giving the girls free alcohol, cigarettes and taxi rides,

:51:37. > :51:39.but then went on to demand sex Here's a clip from Three Girls

:51:40. > :51:46.where the sexual health worker Sara Rowbotham tries to explain

:51:47. > :51:49.to the parents of the one of Holly is categorically

:51:50. > :52:11.not a prostitute. Plus there's no such thing as

:52:12. > :52:19.a child prostitute, what there is... Well, we can speak now

:52:20. > :52:43.to the real life woman behind Maxine Peake's character,

:52:44. > :52:45.Sara Rowbotham, the sexual health nurse who blew the whistle

:52:46. > :52:48.on the sex abuse scandal. We're also joined by Alison Worsley,

:52:49. > :52:50.deputy director of policy and public affairs at the children's charity

:52:51. > :52:59.Barnardo's. Good morning, welcome to both of you

:53:00. > :53:07.and thank you for joining us. How accurate portrayal was this drama?

:53:08. > :53:16.It was really accurate, absolutely the truth. What the writer was able

:53:17. > :53:19.to do was combine all of our truths, the truth of everybody involved in

:53:20. > :53:28.the drama, the parents, the young people, Maxine played me but I was a

:53:29. > :53:36.real combination of the team I managed at the time. Everything I

:53:37. > :53:43.said, or rather the character said, was a true reflection and a true

:53:44. > :53:49.scenario. Those events actually happened and it not to me, to one of

:53:50. > :53:55.my team. When we saw that enormous chart of the names of the men who

:53:56. > :54:00.were abusing those girls, how realistic was that, but you are

:54:01. > :54:10.trying to keep all of those notes? Yes, we did do that. It was actually

:54:11. > :54:14.really naive, it wasn't anything, it wasn't kind of skilled, we just

:54:15. > :54:20.thought that was the best way of trying to collate the information.

:54:21. > :54:27.Alison, how important a drama do you think this will prove to be, an

:54:28. > :54:31.important thing for all of us to watch the young people and parents?

:54:32. > :54:35.It is absolutely vital, it was confronting and harrowing but

:54:36. > :54:39.everything that Sara has said reflects from what we know from our

:54:40. > :54:45.work across the country. This is happening to boys as well as girls

:54:46. > :54:48.throughout the country, we worked with 5000 last year. To raise

:54:49. > :54:54.awareness and for parents to be able to have a conversation with their

:54:55. > :54:58.children, it is pivotal. You made so many referrals to the police and yet

:54:59. > :55:07.got knocked back. What kept you going? The girls. The girls. We had

:55:08. > :55:13.to make them safe, we had to make it stop and make it safe. We were not

:55:14. > :55:17.best placed to be able to do that, there were other people who were

:55:18. > :55:23.best placed so of course I had to keep telling people. These cases are

:55:24. > :55:28.often described as historical sex abuse cases. How accurate and

:55:29. > :55:32.helpful is the word historical for you? It's really not helpful and

:55:33. > :55:38.that is one of my continued bugbears. Using the word historical,

:55:39. > :55:42.it provided a level of reassurance to lots of people but this is

:55:43. > :55:49.something that probably happened in the distant past but for us who are

:55:50. > :55:55.involved, or for victims of abuse, there is no history, it is one long

:55:56. > :55:58.continue. It is not something that happened in the distant past that

:55:59. > :56:06.you've moved on from easily, it is something that stays with you and it

:56:07. > :56:12.is just a continuum, people are affected by daily. Using the word

:56:13. > :56:17.historical abuse is really diminishing and dismissive of the

:56:18. > :56:21.people who went through it. What struck me was the tenacity with you

:56:22. > :56:24.and your team and the bravery of those girls showed when nobody else

:56:25. > :56:30.was believing them but they kept trying to speak up. What happened to

:56:31. > :56:35.you after this case had ended? At the end of the drummer we saw you

:56:36. > :56:42.giving information and evidence to a select committee -- the end of the

:56:43. > :56:45.drama. I went to London to the Houses of Parliament and I was able

:56:46. > :56:52.to give evidence to the home abed select committee. -- at the home

:56:53. > :56:56.affairs select committee. It was a traumatic time for me personally and

:56:57. > :57:02.I was absent from work because I was quite poorly. The organisation I

:57:03. > :57:09.worked for, the powers that be in other organisations did not feel

:57:10. > :57:15.that they wanted my contribution in any future developments. I very

:57:16. > :57:19.quickly realised that doors were being closed and I was not invited

:57:20. > :57:23.to make any real contribution at all to the development of future

:57:24. > :57:31.services or to the whole agenda around what should be taking place

:57:32. > :57:35.around child sexual exploitation. Nobody really felt as though I could

:57:36. > :57:38.make a valuable contribution. A lot of people will find that very

:57:39. > :57:42.surprising and today there has been a lot of support for you on social

:57:43. > :57:50.media saying you have been treated appallingly. How have attitudes

:57:51. > :57:54.changed within the police? How far policy is changed, how more likely

:57:55. > :58:01.is it for young girls in this predicament to be believed?

:58:02. > :58:04.Hopefully, that is the core of this, hopefully young people will be

:58:05. > :58:09.believed now, that is what we want to see. If you think back to when we

:58:10. > :58:14.first raised this in 1998, child prostitution was still a term on our

:58:15. > :58:17.statute books, it did not get removed until 2015. If you think

:58:18. > :58:24.about the context that the police were working in then, the language

:58:25. > :58:26.that was used, those ingrained attitudes, I would like to think

:58:27. > :58:31.things have changed but this is still one of the biggest child

:58:32. > :58:37.protection issues of our time and we must keep raising awareness, would

:58:38. > :58:41.the programme is doing, and educating people and knowledge like

:58:42. > :58:44.Sara as God is vital so we can train people to spot the side of abuse and

:58:45. > :58:50.make sure young people are believed -- that Sara has got. And you have a

:58:51. > :58:54.lot of thought about how communities can be made less susceptible but I

:58:55. > :58:59.want to end on a slightly lighter note. What was it like having Maxine

:59:00. > :59:02.Peake, an extraordinary actress, playing your role and bringing

:59:03. > :59:08.together all of those efforts that your team made to keep those girls

:59:09. > :59:15.safe? It's a bit weird! When Maxine Peake came to my house, I had to

:59:16. > :59:21.stop myself from simply describing her as BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake,

:59:22. > :59:31.would you like a biscuit! BAFTA nominated Maxine Peake! It was a bit

:59:32. > :59:35.awesome, that you are able to say, a film made about you and it was

:59:36. > :59:39.Maxine Peake, the nation's sweetheart, the best actor in the

:59:40. > :59:46.country, who represented me. That's amazing really. I'm not surprised it

:59:47. > :59:49.has made you emotional. Thank you so much for talking to us today and

:59:50. > :59:54.thank you for your time as well. Let's catch up with the latest

:59:55. > :00:03.weather with Simon. Yesterday turned out to be a very

:00:04. > :00:07.wet day across central and eastern parts of the UK. The rain continued

:00:08. > :00:13.overnight but this morning we have had a lovely start with some blue

:00:14. > :00:16.skies in Port Talbot. Through the day there will continue to be

:00:17. > :00:21.sunshine but also some pretty heavy showers developing. They are already

:00:22. > :00:24.in south-west England and parts of Wales and will continue to develop

:00:25. > :00:30.and get heavier. There will be some thunderstorms in the south-west

:00:31. > :00:34.area. Further north and east, the rain continues to move in that

:00:35. > :00:38.direction and a chilly day on the East Coast of England but sunshine

:00:39. > :00:43.elsewhere and it might feel quite pleasant between the showers.

:00:44. > :00:46.Tonight the rain continues moving northwards into Scotland but

:00:47. > :00:50.elsewhere clear skies into Saturday morning so it could turn chilly in

:00:51. > :00:54.the countryside with temperatures around eight to 10 Celsius. On

:00:55. > :00:58.Saturday we continue with the theme of sunny spells and showers but like

:00:59. > :01:03.today, some showers could be heavy in parts of Wales and southern

:01:04. > :01:05.England and wide showers in northern England, Scotland and Northern

:01:06. > :01:19.Ireland and top temperatures tomorrow 13 to 18 degrees.

:01:20. > :01:25.Our special report on the growing number of children in America

:01:26. > :01:28.The controversial therapy is being used to help children

:01:29. > :01:29.who are severely autistic and self-harm.

:01:30. > :01:31.Is the treatment cruel and unnecessary?

:01:32. > :01:35.My biggest concern was that she was going to lose quality of life,

:01:36. > :01:43.Now she's back to loving doing multiplication and division.

:01:44. > :01:51.When she started ECT, she was doing zero academic work at all.

:01:52. > :01:54.We'll be talking to a father whose son has severe self-harming autism

:01:55. > :01:56.and a doctor who performs the treatment to help

:01:57. > :02:02.Security software designed to prevent bank fraud

:02:03. > :02:04.has been fooled by a BBC reporter and his twin.

:02:05. > :02:12.But a simple experiment with my nonidentical twin

:02:13. > :02:23.My financial details and the ability to transfer

:02:24. > :02:31.BBC Click reporter Dan Simmons and his non-identical twin Joe

:02:32. > :02:34.will be here to tell us how they duped the bank's

:02:35. > :02:40.Grime star Skepta wins two awards at last night's Ivor Novellos,

:02:41. > :02:52.You never think, when you are wrapping and writing, you never

:02:53. > :02:58.think your song is on the pedestal of like Chris Martin, you know what

:02:59. > :03:00.I'm saying? I don't think that. Everything I'm writing... It's very

:03:01. > :03:03.important, isn't it? And we'll be talking live

:03:04. > :03:06.to the winner of best Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:03:07. > :03:15.with a summary of today's news. Brexit dominated the first televised

:03:16. > :03:23.leaders' election debate, held last night without Theresa May

:03:24. > :03:28.and Jeremy Corbyn. The ITV event saw little

:03:29. > :03:31.disagreement between the Lib Dems, Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP,

:03:32. > :03:34.but they repeatedly clashed And at 11.30am on the BBC

:03:35. > :03:38.News Channel, it's your opportunity to put your questions

:03:39. > :03:40.about the election and the NHS to our health editor,

:03:41. > :03:48.Hugh Pym. You can get in touch via Twitter

:03:49. > :03:50.using the hashtag #BBCAskThis, or text your questions to 61124,

:03:51. > :04:05.and you can email us as well The former entertainer Rolf Harris

:04:06. > :04:10.has been released on bail from Stafford prison. He was convicted in

:04:11. > :04:16.2014. He is on trial at Southwark Crown Court accused of indecently

:04:17. > :04:17.assaulting three teenagers between 1981 and 1983. He denies the charges

:04:18. > :04:19.against him. A man who drove a car along

:04:20. > :04:22.pavements in New York's Times Square, killing a teenager

:04:23. > :04:24.and injuring 22 people, said he had "heard voices", according

:04:25. > :04:30.to security sources. Richard Rojas, a US navy

:04:31. > :04:36.veteran who was arrested previously for drink-driving,

:04:37. > :04:37.is now in custody. New York mayor Bill de Blasio said

:04:38. > :04:40.there was "no indication" American warplanes operating over

:04:41. > :04:44.Syria have attacked a convoy carrying pro-government militia

:04:45. > :04:48.forces. The US-led coalition said

:04:49. > :04:50.it was moving towards a base used by Western special forces

:04:51. > :04:52.near the border with Iraq. Russia described the action

:04:53. > :04:58.as "absolutely unacceptable". A 24-year-old man will appear before

:04:59. > :05:01.Manchester magistrates today charged with six counts of raping

:05:02. > :05:06.a child under 13. Osman Ali is accused of raping

:05:07. > :05:08.a child in Rochdale, following an investigation

:05:09. > :05:10.by the multi-agency Rochdale Sunrise That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:11. > :05:23.News - more at 10.30am. Do get in touch with us

:05:24. > :05:26.throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

:05:27. > :05:37.at the standard network rate. Time for more sports news now,

:05:38. > :05:42.cannot get enough of it! The line-up for the three play-off

:05:43. > :05:46.finals at Wembley is now complete, two very dramatic semifinals in

:05:47. > :05:50.League 2 last night. Blackpool were in the Premier League six years ago

:05:51. > :05:54.and their tie against Luton was heading for extra time until this

:05:55. > :05:59.happened in injury time. It went down as an own goal from the

:06:00. > :06:04.Hatters' goalie. A bit unlucky. Blackpool heading to Wembley after

:06:05. > :06:07.winning 6-5 on aggregate. That was the same score over two

:06:08. > :06:16.legs between Exeter and Carlisle. The Cumbrians had levelled it but

:06:17. > :06:19.that man, Jack Stacey, got the Exeter winner, he spent time at

:06:20. > :06:24.Carlisle on loan last season as well. They will face Blackpool at

:06:25. > :06:27.Wembley on the 20th of May for a place in League 1.

:06:28. > :06:33.Harry Kane looks set to win the Premier League's Golden Boot. He

:06:34. > :06:41.scored 25 last season, up to 26 this one after scoring four against

:06:42. > :06:46.Leicester last night. They won 6-1. He is two goals clear Romalu Lukaku

:06:47. > :06:50.with just one game to play. It is his fourth hat-trick of the season,

:06:51. > :06:55.the first time he has scored four in the league, though. It equals the

:06:56. > :07:01.club's biggest away win in the top division in the club's history.

:07:02. > :07:04.Obviously delighted to get four goals for the first time in my

:07:05. > :07:08.professional career doing that, so a good moment to do it as well because

:07:09. > :07:12.there has been a bit of build-up in the week with the Golden Boot race,

:07:13. > :07:17.so I thought, get one or two tonight to put the pressure on so to get

:07:18. > :07:21.four is an amazing feeling. Celtic are still unbeaten in the

:07:22. > :07:24.Scottish Premiership with one game to play, 1898 was the last time they

:07:25. > :07:42.went through our whole league season without defeat. They

:07:43. > :07:46.only matches back then. Last night they won 5-0 at Partick

:07:47. > :07:48.Thistle. Their 33rd win in 37, it thought them equal their record

:07:49. > :07:51.points tally for a season, 103, 30 points clear of second placed

:07:52. > :07:53.Aberdeen. They have hearts on the last day of the season. Cycling

:07:54. > :07:56.News, British rider Geraint Thomas has pulled out of the Giro d'Italia.

:07:57. > :07:58.He was involved in a nasty crash last weekend, a pilot in the peloton

:07:59. > :08:01.when they collided with a stationary police motorbike. He had been second

:08:02. > :08:04.overall going into that stage, picked up a couple of nasty Nick

:08:05. > :08:08.goals and knocks there on his shoulder but it is his knee that has

:08:09. > :08:12.been giving him trouble in the last couple of stages. He says carrying

:08:13. > :08:18.God would be trying to survive each day rather than racing. -- carrying

:08:19. > :08:23.on. More in the next up an hour. Thank

:08:24. > :08:28.you, some breaking news now regarding Julian Assange, the

:08:29. > :08:33.founder of WikiLeaks. We are hearing that Sweden's Director of Public

:08:34. > :08:39.Prosecutions has decided to discontinue the investigation

:08:40. > :08:42.against Julian Assange. You may recall that Julian Assange has been

:08:43. > :08:50.living for some years in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, since

:08:51. > :08:55.2012, taking refuge there to try to avoid extradition to Sweden over the

:08:56. > :09:02.allegation of rape, which he denies. The public prosecutor in Sweden

:09:03. > :09:06.saying that she will discontinue the investigation into Julian Assange,

:09:07. > :09:10.the founder of WikiLeaks. Whether or not this will make him feel that he

:09:11. > :09:15.can leave the Ecuadorian Embassy any time soon, we will have to find out.

:09:16. > :09:18.So, just how clear are you about who to vote

:09:19. > :09:21.given that the manifestos of all the main parties

:09:22. > :09:25.We have four people joining us who are undecided on who to vote

:09:26. > :09:28.for, and who have all voted differently in the past.

:09:29. > :09:33.We're going to look at some of the key issues -

:09:34. > :09:38.Brexit, the NHS and welfare - and what could help these voters

:09:39. > :09:40.decide on which policies, and party, to back.

:09:41. > :09:43.The Conservatives want to leave the single market.

:09:44. > :09:46.They've made no commitments on freedom of movement.

:09:47. > :09:49.Labour say they would rip up the existing plans,

:09:50. > :09:51.and make staying in the single market a priority.

:09:52. > :09:58.They'd also secure the rights of all EU citizens living in the UK.

:09:59. > :10:01.The Lib Dems would offer a second EU referendum,

:10:02. > :10:15.this time on the final Brexit deal, with an option to stay in the EU.

:10:16. > :10:17.Joining us now, Sam Jennings, Jordan White, Rickael

:10:18. > :10:29.Let's look at the Brexit issue. Jordan, you were concerned because

:10:30. > :10:34.of the potential for there to be the new hard border between Northern

:10:35. > :10:39.Ireland and Ireland. How have the manifesto launches that we have seen

:10:40. > :10:43.this week helped you decide? They haven't helped me decide, they have

:10:44. > :10:48.made me more confident that I want to spoil my ballot. The debate so

:10:49. > :10:55.far is the same rhetoric of what can Brexit secure for Middle England, it

:10:56. > :10:59.has strengthened Nicola Sturgeon's hand in Scotland and have given some

:11:00. > :11:02.life to Plaid Cymru. How far does Brexit have to go, how hard does it

:11:03. > :11:06.have to be before the Northern Ireland Assembly is thought about?

:11:07. > :11:08.There is no assembly in Northern Ireland, no Government, just

:11:09. > :11:14.political talks which have collapsed again because of Theresa May's cool

:11:15. > :11:19.for a general election. Lanre, you voted Remain in the referendum. What

:11:20. > :11:22.about alternative ideas, for example the Liberal Democrats putting

:11:23. > :11:26.forward that they would want to have a second referendum when we know the

:11:27. > :11:31.terms of the deal, is that going to sway you? I think ultimately with

:11:32. > :11:35.the referendum there was a lot of misinformation, there were a lot of

:11:36. > :11:40.people, a lot of rhetoric and who knew what was true and what was

:11:41. > :11:43.going to be the case? We are still in a place of instability,

:11:44. > :11:48.uncertainty, let's fall off a cliff, no deal is a good deal, I don't buy

:11:49. > :11:52.it, it is a dangerous place to be in. Maybe if it is a case of when we

:11:53. > :11:57.know what we are going to be getting into, let's have a vote again, that

:11:58. > :11:59.is maybe a good idea, but I think they're definitely has to be

:12:00. > :12:03.something other than we are just going to go through this and

:12:04. > :12:16.whatever happens happens. Sam, how important would

:12:17. > :12:22.that be for you, or do you feel like a lot of people, we have decided to

:12:23. > :12:24.leave, get on with it? I do think we should get on with it but I like the

:12:25. > :12:27.manifesto that Jeremy Corbyn is saying about protecting the rights

:12:28. > :12:30.of people already here in the EU, so if somebody has established a life

:12:31. > :12:32.peer, they should stay. I don't want to stop immigration, but there does

:12:33. > :12:33.need to be controlled. You were thinking potentially voting

:12:34. > :12:36.Conservative, you have voted Conservative before, are you clear

:12:37. > :12:39.now? No, because I think a lot of the Labour policies are good

:12:40. > :12:46.policies, not sure if they could actually implement them. Some of the

:12:47. > :12:51.Tory policies are OK but I haven't read the full manifesto and nothing

:12:52. > :12:59.has lit me up to jump straight in and vote for them. Rickael, you have

:13:00. > :13:04.voted for Labour in the past, how much clearer Ayew that they could

:13:05. > :13:11.get your vote this time? More, for me it is pretty consistent the sort

:13:12. > :13:15.of thing the Labour tented come up with, you know what you are going to

:13:16. > :13:19.get. My reasons for voting for them in the past was not so much their

:13:20. > :13:23.policies but my local MP, who is very well respected in Hammersmith

:13:24. > :13:30.and Fulham, that has been my reason for voting for Labour in the past.

:13:31. > :13:34.Looking at the two manifestos, I think that, as we have touched on, a

:13:35. > :13:39.lot of these things, there is not a lot of substance behind it, lots of

:13:40. > :13:43.things have been said that we cannot guarantee will happen, especially in

:13:44. > :13:46.such uncertain times. If it is in the manifesto, they are meant to

:13:47. > :13:52.implement it, aren't they? They are meant to! Let's look at social care,

:13:53. > :13:57.some big announcements this week. There was a suggestion that it would

:13:58. > :14:01.be capped at 76,000 per person, I know social care and welfare is a

:14:02. > :14:05.bit of a concern to you, particularly Sam. What do you make

:14:06. > :14:11.of the idea of expecting people to fund their own care until they only

:14:12. > :14:14.have 100,000 in assets left? As somebody who will probably never

:14:15. > :14:27.have 100,000 in assets, I think if somebody has got that much money,

:14:28. > :14:29.and that is a lot of money... Even including their property these days?

:14:30. > :14:32.Probably not, with the way the property market is going, but people

:14:33. > :14:34.who have more should pay more. I don't think welfare should be there

:14:35. > :14:37.to help people who already have money in the bank. Lanre, what about

:14:38. > :14:40.the idea of making people pay rather than increasing tax, which is what

:14:41. > :14:44.the Liberal Democrats are saying, but an extra 1p on income tax and

:14:45. > :14:48.then you raise more money and have more money in the bank to pay for

:14:49. > :14:52.this stuff? I do agree in some respects because there are people in

:14:53. > :14:56.that position who can do something but it is means testing and making

:14:57. > :15:00.sure that it is right for the right individual, not this blanket whoever

:15:01. > :15:04.you are because it is putting people in dangerous positions. But the

:15:05. > :15:07.welfare Budget, there are so many different parts of the community

:15:08. > :15:11.that need welfare, the unemployed, if you have a disability, in care,

:15:12. > :15:15.so I think more thought needs to be put into it. If you can pay more

:15:16. > :15:19.than you probably should be the reason for working order life is

:15:20. > :15:22.that you have some money aside to help you in difficult times and it

:15:23. > :15:28.should be reviewed on a regular basis. It is a tough decision, I

:15:29. > :15:31.agree. A slightly connected subject is the issue of welfare benefits, a

:15:32. > :15:34.lot of people who previously would not have voted Conservative are now

:15:35. > :15:38.saying in this election that they trust Theresa May, they'd think she

:15:39. > :15:42.will do the right thing even on welfare benefits, even though some

:15:43. > :15:45.of those people will have seen their welfare benefits cut. How important

:15:46. > :15:47.do you think the leader of the party is in this election as to how people

:15:48. > :15:55.will vote? It is important, especially

:15:56. > :15:59.something like welfare where everybody has an opinion whether you

:16:00. > :16:02.are at the top end and have no need for it, you have an opinion because

:16:03. > :16:07.you are a taxpayer full is up and somebody who relies on those sorts

:16:08. > :16:13.of benefits, who may feel they are constantly being judged, people

:16:14. > :16:16.think they are using or abusing the system, regardless of where you are

:16:17. > :16:21.in the spectrum, you will have an opinion of who you should vote for

:16:22. > :16:25.based on welfare. I think leadership within parties is mostly who can

:16:26. > :16:30.articulate themselves the best and who can afford the best spin doctor.

:16:31. > :16:36.I don't know if you managed to watch the debate but the leaders of the

:16:37. > :16:42.two biggest body did not even turn up. Jeremy Corbyn so far is slightly

:16:43. > :16:46.right in that he wants to debate Theresa May but he has had plenty of

:16:47. > :16:52.times to do that, it is Prime Minister's Questions, and he has

:16:53. > :16:56.said is that line thrown at him to take a hit at her and he has not

:16:57. > :17:00.done it. Theresa May does not want to debate because I feel she is only

:17:01. > :17:04.good when she is fed the line, she repeats the line with somebody made

:17:05. > :17:10.up for her and she can't debate when she's on the spot. I suppose this is

:17:11. > :17:17.a question designed with undecided voters in mind, if you can't find

:17:18. > :17:21.someone to vote for, how ripe is the time for a new party to come to the

:17:22. > :17:26.fore? Like we have seen in France with Emmanuel Macron. How welcome

:17:27. > :17:32.would that be and what would they need to offer you? They would need

:17:33. > :17:35.to listen and understand that we have many different people in our

:17:36. > :17:40.communities and many different needs. You have to do something to

:17:41. > :17:45.meet these different needs and also be true to your word. We have seen

:17:46. > :17:50.similar politicians saying they will do this, not raise tuition fees, you

:17:51. > :17:55.name it, every single one is guilty and you can't trust them. Somebody

:17:56. > :17:59.who is authentic and does what they say and has a proven record of doing

:18:00. > :18:05.that, maybe, just maybe, you might listen to them and follow them. You

:18:06. > :18:11.have a few more days to decide God I hope you manage to decide that there

:18:12. > :18:13.is one that will get your vote -- a few more days to decide, I hope you

:18:14. > :18:23.get one to decide on. We can go back to the news from

:18:24. > :18:27.Sweden about Julian Assange. It has dropped in the last few minutes,

:18:28. > :18:31.what do we know? The Swedish prosecutor had until today to decide

:18:32. > :18:35.whether to renew this arrest warrant for Julian Assange on this

:18:36. > :18:39.allegation of rape or to drop the case and they have is added to drop

:18:40. > :18:43.it. We don't know the reasons, we should understand in the next half

:18:44. > :18:51.hour or so. What does it mean for him? He is not under threat of

:18:52. > :18:55.arrest to be sent to Sweden to face the prosecuting authorities there

:18:56. > :18:58.but he has always said his main concern is actually whether the

:18:59. > :19:01.Swedish authorities when he got that would extradite him to the United

:19:02. > :19:06.States where they are very angry about the fact that WikiLeaks

:19:07. > :19:10.published more than a quarter of a million various official secrets

:19:11. > :19:15.from the bomb and authorities. They want to prosecute him in regard to

:19:16. > :19:20.espionage. He has always said that is his main concern but the British

:19:21. > :19:23.authorities are also just as likely to accept any extradition request

:19:24. > :19:28.from the US as the Swedish authorities. So he might feel he

:19:29. > :19:32.doesn't want to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy yet? We don't know exactly

:19:33. > :19:37.until we hear from him, but that is my sense of it at the moment, that

:19:38. > :19:40.Britain would almost certainly cooperate with an American request

:19:41. > :19:45.for extradition and he would still be liable to arrest by British

:19:46. > :19:50.authorities for being in breach of his bail conditions. It is all about

:19:51. > :19:56.elements that have created a great deal of fascination with this story.

:19:57. > :20:02.Yes, he is seen by many as a litmus test for whether or not speech can

:20:03. > :20:05.be truly free. The Americans and particularly the current Department

:20:06. > :20:10.of Justice have made it clear they believe that what he has done is

:20:11. > :20:14.something that undermined the United States, something that should be

:20:15. > :20:19.prosecuted. Donald Trump has said on record in the past that he believes

:20:20. > :20:21.people who leak state secrets should be executed. Thank you very much.

:20:22. > :20:24.Back to politics now. Leaders of five political parties

:20:25. > :20:27.took part in a live TV election debate last night,

:20:28. > :20:29.without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn who both turned

:20:30. > :20:32.down the invitation. Brexit seemed to dominate

:20:33. > :20:36.as the leaders of the Lib Dems, the Green Party, the Scottish

:20:37. > :20:38.Nationalists and Plaid Cymru repeatedly clashed with

:20:39. > :20:43.Ukip's Paul Nuttall over the issue. Mr Nuttall said the UK should be

:20:44. > :20:45.bold in its Brexit negotiations Of course the deal will be better,

:20:46. > :20:55.because it couldn't be much worse than the deal that we've had

:20:56. > :20:58.whilst we've been within And I encourage the Prime Minister

:20:59. > :21:03.and David Davies, when you go into these negotiations,

:21:04. > :21:08.be bold, have courage. Promote how great our country

:21:09. > :21:11.actually is and accept that, in many ways, the European Union

:21:12. > :21:16.needs us far more than we need it. We have a huge trading

:21:17. > :21:19.deficit with the EU. There are six million

:21:20. > :21:21.jobs on the continent which are dependent

:21:22. > :21:25.on British trade. And I want to say to

:21:26. > :21:28.the Prime Minister, be bold on immigration,

:21:29. > :21:30.because when people voted to leave the European Union they didn't just

:21:31. > :21:33.vote to control our borders, Say no to any divorce bill

:21:34. > :21:41.that is put on the table, because since we've been members

:21:42. > :21:44.of this club we've paid in over ?180 billion

:21:45. > :21:47.in membership fee alone. The deal will be better,

:21:48. > :21:49.but only if Theresa May The SNP leader, Nicola Sturgeon,

:21:50. > :21:57.said people should unite against the pursuit

:21:58. > :21:59.of what she called a hard, extreme Brexit, which she claimed

:22:00. > :22:02.would hit tens of thousands I campaigned passionately for the UK

:22:03. > :22:10.and Scotland to stay within the European Union,

:22:11. > :22:12.and I still believe that for all its faults, we are better

:22:13. > :22:15.off in the European Union And I believe - not now,

:22:16. > :22:19.but when the time is right at the end of this process -

:22:20. > :22:22.Scotland should have a choice But the priority now

:22:23. > :22:25.is the Brexit negotiations, because Theresa May is not just

:22:26. > :22:29.pursuing Brexit, she is pursuing Even today when she published her

:22:30. > :22:36.manifesto she threatened again That would be an

:22:37. > :22:41.economic catastrophe. That would cost, in Scotland

:22:42. > :22:45.alone, 80,000 jobs. So my message for people

:22:46. > :22:49.in Scotland, whether you voted Remain or to Leave is to vote SNP

:22:50. > :22:53.to strengthen our hand to get a deal that does not sacrifice Scottish

:22:54. > :22:58.jobs and the economy. Nicola Sturgeon the SNP leader

:22:59. > :23:02.speaking last night. We can speak now to SNP member

:23:03. > :23:12.Stewart McDonald who was watching Thank you for joining us. How

:23:13. > :23:17.worthwhile was that debate without Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn from

:23:18. > :23:21.the biggest parties? It is quite something that the Prime Minister

:23:22. > :23:25.and the lead of the Labour Party cannot turn up to a debate with five

:23:26. > :23:29.other people and yet both of them want us to believe that they are the

:23:30. > :23:35.ones who can deliver up against 27 other EU countries. It shows them to

:23:36. > :23:39.have a complete brass neck but Nicola Sturgeon did the right thing

:23:40. > :23:45.and turned up and made the case for Scotland to have a say in the Brexit

:23:46. > :23:49.deal. Nicola Sturgeon has criticised Theresa May for saying she wants a

:23:50. > :23:54.free hand on Brexit but surely that is what the SNB has been seeking all

:23:55. > :23:58.along for Scotland and potentially a second independence referendum --

:23:59. > :24:05.the SNP. You are right that the primers that what is that once the

:24:06. > :24:08.-- the promised want a free hand but it is not our job to give her one of

:24:09. > :24:13.our job is to provide good solid opposition to make sure that Ukip

:24:14. > :24:17.don't get to hijack the Brexit which they seem to be doing at the minute,

:24:18. > :24:20.and make sure we get a deal that works for all of the UK and in

:24:21. > :24:28.particular from our point of view, for the people of Scotland. How

:24:29. > :24:32.concerned are you and your party that the Conservatives under Ruth

:24:33. > :24:36.Davidson seem to be enjoying greater popularity than ever before? She is

:24:37. > :24:41.encouraging Labour voters to vote for her to keep the SNP out. It is

:24:42. > :24:48.quite something, since the alliance they formed in 2014, the Tories

:24:49. > :24:51.essentially have grabbed all about political ground in terms of the

:24:52. > :24:57.Unionist vote in Scotland and are taking votes away from Labour left

:24:58. > :25:01.right and centre. It shows the mess Labour are in, particularly here in

:25:02. > :25:05.Scotland. But we continue to be popular even after ten years in

:25:06. > :25:10.government, and we will continue to make the message and take it to the

:25:11. > :25:14.people of Scotland that only by voting SNP can you get a strong

:25:15. > :25:18.opposition. Tory MPs will give that three and two Theresa May which even

:25:19. > :25:21.those who voted for Brexit don't want her to have, they want a strong

:25:22. > :25:29.opposition and they will only get that from the SNP. You mentioned the

:25:30. > :25:31.mess that you perceive Labour to be in but Kezia Dugdale, according to

:25:32. > :25:40.one of the polls I have read, is enjoying a boost to her rating. You

:25:41. > :25:44.are snorting at that... Come on! Look at what has happened to

:25:45. > :25:46.Scottish Labour! They have been replaced by the Conservative Party

:25:47. > :25:49.in the Scottish Parliament that they themselves created when last in

:25:50. > :25:55.government, they are in a woeful mess, they have come badly across

:25:56. > :25:59.Scotland in the recent council elections just two weeks ago and

:26:00. > :26:02.they are no longer a major part of the conversation here. It is a

:26:03. > :26:07.straight up fight between the SNP, arguing for progress and fighting

:26:08. > :26:09.the corner of Scotland, and an increasingly right-wing Conservative

:26:10. > :26:11.Party. Stuart McDonald, thank you very much.

:26:12. > :26:14.And we're going to be in Dunstable in Bedfordshire on Monday 29th May

:26:15. > :26:22.who you're going to vote for, still deciding or don't

:26:23. > :26:23.think you'll bother, and would like the chance

:26:24. > :26:26.to share your views and grill senior politicians on their policies,

:26:27. > :26:41.There are more details on our Facebook and Twitter pages.

:26:42. > :26:46.A growing number of children in America are undergoing

:26:47. > :26:51.The controversial therapy is being used on severely autistic

:26:52. > :26:55.We'll be speaking to the father of a severely autistic child

:26:56. > :26:58.and to a psychiatrist who uses the treatment on adults

:26:59. > :27:04.How secure is voice recognition software?

:27:05. > :27:06.A growing number of banks use it, including HSBC,

:27:07. > :27:22.With the news here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:27:23. > :27:29.Swedish prosecutors have dropped their investigation

:27:30. > :27:30.into the Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange, who had

:27:31. > :27:34.Mr Assange is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London

:27:35. > :27:41.The former entertainer Rolf Harris has been released on bail

:27:42. > :27:49.Rolf Harris, who's now 87, was convicted and sentenced in 2014.

:27:50. > :27:50.He's still on trial at Southwark Crown Court,

:27:51. > :27:53.accused of indecently assaulting three teenagers

:27:54. > :28:00.He denies all the charges against him.

:28:01. > :28:02.Brexit dominated the first televised leaders' election debate,

:28:03. > :28:06.held last night without Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn.

:28:07. > :28:09.The ITV event saw little disagreement between the Lib Dems,

:28:10. > :28:11.Green Party, Plaid Cymru and SNP, but they repeatedly clashed

:28:12. > :28:20.And at 11.30am on the BBC News Channel, it's your opportunity

:28:21. > :28:22.to put your questions about the election

:28:23. > :28:26.and the NHS to our health editor, Hugh Pym.

:28:27. > :28:29.You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag #BBCAskThis,

:28:30. > :28:32.or text your questions to 61124, and you can email us as well

:28:33. > :28:40.Russia has described an attack by American warplanes on a convoy

:28:41. > :28:41.in Syria carrying pro-government militia forces

:28:42. > :28:47.The US-led coalition said the convoy was moving towards a base used

:28:48. > :28:53.by Western special forces near the border with Iraq.

:28:54. > :28:56.Thousands of police officers across the UK have not had

:28:57. > :28:57.up-to-date background checks to ensure they are

:28:58. > :29:03.Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information

:29:04. > :29:06.request showed 90% of officers in one force - Northumbria Police -

:29:07. > :29:10.The Inspector of Constabulary is urging forces to address

:29:11. > :29:20.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:29:21. > :29:28.Thank you very much. More sport now. Hello again, these are the

:29:29. > :29:32.headlines, we now know the full line-up of the play-off finals

:29:33. > :29:37.coming up next week with some dramatic winners in the League 2

:29:38. > :29:41.semifinals last night. Two late winners. Black Bull, who were in the

:29:42. > :29:45.Premier League six years ago, had reached the final after a stoppage

:29:46. > :29:51.time goal at Luton which made it 6-5 on aggregate and they will play exit

:29:52. > :29:55.like -- Exeter after an equally nervy night at St James Park. That

:29:56. > :30:01.was heading to extra time but Jack Stacey got the winner to put them in

:30:02. > :30:06.the final at the end of the month. One match in the Premier League last

:30:07. > :30:09.night and Harry Kane scored four goals in Spurs' 6-1 win at

:30:10. > :30:12.Leicester, he is now two goals clear of Romelu Lukaku in the race for the

:30:13. > :30:18.Golden Boot. Celtic are still unbeaten in his goddess premiership

:30:19. > :30:21.with one game left, having beaten Partick Thistle 5-0. Geraint Thomas

:30:22. > :30:26.has had to pull out of the Giro d'Italia in cycling, he was involved

:30:27. > :30:31.in a nasty crash last weekend and was in second place overall but he

:30:32. > :30:35.injured his shoulder and his knee and has had to pull out of the race

:30:36. > :30:40.altogether. He said he is just surviving day to day rather than

:30:41. > :30:41.actually racing. That is all for now, I'm back on BBC News after 11

:30:42. > :31:09.o'clock. Now, the film we are about to show

:31:10. > :31:12.you, contains some distressing scenes of children self-harming

:31:13. > :31:13.and undergoing electro-convulsive therapy, so if you are watching

:31:14. > :31:16.with children you may not want Children in America are undergoing

:31:17. > :31:19.electric shock treatment Now known as electro-convulsive

:31:20. > :31:22.therapy, or ECT, the controversial treatment is being used on severely

:31:23. > :31:25.autistic children who self-harm. The practice cannot be done

:31:26. > :31:28.on children here in the UK We'll be discussing whether or not

:31:29. > :31:31.it's something the NHS should be considering,

:31:32. > :31:33.but first let's here from one parent in America

:31:34. > :31:35.who is using this technique. Just to warn that it contains images

:31:36. > :31:38.some of you may find upsetting. The family say they have

:31:39. > :31:41.seen a huge improvement. When she has behaviours,

:31:42. > :31:42.they are much shorter, She used to have bursts of

:31:43. > :31:46.behaviours where she was aggressive, Now it will be a matter of a few

:31:47. > :31:51.minutes for her to calm down. Each week day, Sophia

:31:52. > :31:53.has school lessons with My biggest concern was that she was

:31:54. > :31:57.going to lose quality of life, Now she is back to loving doing

:31:58. > :32:01.multiplication and division. When she started ECT, she was doing

:32:02. > :32:06.zero academic work at all. But later that afternoon,

:32:07. > :32:17.six days after her last ECT, Chad and her carer have to use

:32:18. > :32:25.approved restraint techniques Uptick in any type of aggression

:32:26. > :32:49.usually towards one or two days, a day-and-a-half prior

:32:50. > :32:51.to her usual scheduled ECT ECT for severely self-injuring

:32:52. > :32:59.autistic children like Sophia Without a long-term

:33:00. > :33:03.scientific study, it remains Right now, Sophia's

:33:04. > :33:12.parents have no regrets. What about the thought

:33:13. > :33:21.of ECT every single week It's overwhelming,

:33:22. > :33:28.if I think about it. But, what future did

:33:29. > :33:32.she have without it? You can see Chris Rogers' full film,

:33:33. > :33:36."My Child, ECT and Me", on Our World on the BBC News Channel

:33:37. > :33:39.at 9.30pm on Sunday Let's talk now to Phill Wills,

:33:40. > :33:47.whose son, Josh, has severe self-harming autism,

:33:48. > :33:53.Carol Povey, the director of the Centre for Autism,

:33:54. > :33:59.and Professor George Kirov, a psychiatrist who administers ECT

:34:00. > :34:10.for to help with mental illness. Welcome to you all. Phill, tell us

:34:11. > :34:16.about your son and the kind of issues he and you have to cope with?

:34:17. > :34:27.Hello, sorry for holding my earpiece! Josh is 16 now, but he

:34:28. > :34:31.suffered from, as they suffered, it was horrendous, when he was 11 he

:34:32. > :34:37.was self-harming, self injurious behaviour so badly that he had to be

:34:38. > :34:46.hospitalised. He had several surgeries through the summer of

:34:47. > :34:51.2012. It was classed as life-threatening, so he had to be

:34:52. > :34:55.hospitalised. And then in October 2012, just after his 12th birthday,

:34:56. > :34:59.he was moved to an assessment unit in Birmingham the 12 weeks but he

:35:00. > :35:03.ended up staying there for three years. The care was good in

:35:04. > :35:10.Birmingham, the staff were lovely. It was always about the miles, but

:35:11. > :35:15.he needed specialist treatment that we couldn't give him at home. We

:35:16. > :35:20.fought a very public battle to get in the care back home in Cornwall

:35:21. > :35:24.which he now has, he is here in Cornwall with us, with an

:35:25. > :35:32.organisation called Spectrum. He has proved beyond doubt that the spoke

:35:33. > :35:37.personalised care is the best way to go, and it is slightly off topic but

:35:38. > :35:42.there are still so many children like Josh, and adults, that are

:35:43. > :35:48.being treated away from home in units, it is certainly not as good

:35:49. > :35:53.as Josh received, and that is another big topic at the moment that

:35:54. > :35:58.we need to look into. Phill, Canada's as, when you hear about

:35:59. > :36:01.parents in America, can you understand the despair that makes

:36:02. > :36:05.them feel they need to try anything, even treatments that some people may

:36:06. > :36:19.find controversial or even an acceptable? I can, I mean, I watched

:36:20. > :36:22.my son, we, Josh's family, watch our son deteriorate in front of our

:36:23. > :36:27.eyes, nothing we could do about it. He injured himself severely, he lost

:36:28. > :36:33.the front third of his tongue, he lost most of his bottom lip, I won't

:36:34. > :36:38.go into details, but there are things that I have seen that I will

:36:39. > :36:47.never ever be able to extinguish from my mind. So, how bad does it

:36:48. > :36:52.have to get? How bad does it have to get where you have to choose a

:36:53. > :36:56.treatment like this? It is not a cure, just to briefly run through, I

:36:57. > :37:00.posted it on my Facebook last night just to get a reaction from the

:37:01. > :37:09.circle of autism parents that I am involved with, barbaric, the

:37:10. > :37:12.long-term effect on memory, one parent would want to try it

:37:13. > :37:20.themselves first. What worried me as well, to be honest, is the general

:37:21. > :37:24.anaesthetic. I know the young man, I think he has had it 200 times, I

:37:25. > :37:32.watched Josh being put under general anaesthetic three times in one week,

:37:33. > :37:36.he had to be for surgery, but who knows what that can do? It is

:37:37. > :37:40.unimaginable what you have had to cope with, and those parents in

:37:41. > :37:44.America. Stay with us if you will, we will come back to you. Carol

:37:45. > :37:49.Proby from the Centre Borders, where is the evidence that this will help

:37:50. > :37:53.autistic children and, if there is evidence, should it be available

:37:54. > :37:58.here? There is no evidence at all that it helps, we have no evidence

:37:59. > :38:09.based at the moment, so we certainly would never advise parents to go

:38:10. > :38:15.down this line. But I do recognise, as Josh's dad is saying, the immense

:38:16. > :38:22.despair and distress that whole families go through when they are

:38:23. > :38:27.experiencing what is very extreme and complex self injurious behaviour

:38:28. > :38:32.from some children. But without that evidence base, we don't know what

:38:33. > :38:35.the long-term effects of a treatment like this are, certainly we would

:38:36. > :38:43.always say it should not be used in this country, and it is not.

:38:44. > :38:47.Professor Kirov, I understand you'd use ECT on adult in various

:38:48. > :38:49.conditions, can you explain how it works and how you would answer

:38:50. > :38:57.critics who say it is barbaric therapy? The way ECT works, it does

:38:58. > :39:03.look a dramatic treatment, you put electrodes on the head of the

:39:04. > :39:09.patient and pass an electric current, it is actually not very

:39:10. > :39:14.high voltage, it is a repetitive current but it introduces an

:39:15. > :39:18.epileptic fit. The patient is under general anaesthetic and when they

:39:19. > :39:22.wake up they don't remember anything of that, so the only distress for

:39:23. > :39:30.them at this point is the needle going in the arm. They do get

:39:31. > :39:35.confused for, on average, half an hour after the fit, but after an

:39:36. > :39:38.hour old two they are able to go home and they are more or less

:39:39. > :39:49.recovered. Some people get confused for a longer time. We know that what

:39:50. > :39:56.is therapeutic is the epileptic fit, and actually we want to elicit a

:39:57. > :40:00.strong epileptic fit. One criticism of ECT is that epilepsy is a bad

:40:01. > :40:11.thing. People who have epilepsy have a problem, but the fix that we

:40:12. > :40:18.elicit in the ECT Sweet are controlled, so first of all they get

:40:19. > :40:21.oxygen so during the epileptic fit a sufferer might have reduced oxygen

:40:22. > :40:25.which can lead to rain damage, they can also fall and injure themselves,

:40:26. > :40:32.these things don't happen in the controlled environment. Can I just

:40:33. > :40:37.ask how appropriate you think it would be for children with autism,

:40:38. > :40:45.as we see it being used in some cases in America? I haven't used it

:40:46. > :40:48.in children, I don't know how effective it would be. From what I

:40:49. > :40:55.have heard, and these are only stories like the ones we have heard,

:40:56. > :41:00.there was also a book published by an American, I'm not sure if this

:41:01. > :41:04.was brought up earlier in the interview, but they are anecdotal

:41:05. > :41:10.stories that it is effective. I think if it is going to be

:41:11. > :41:17.effective, it is not just for autism in general, it will be effective for

:41:18. > :41:22.certain very serious behaviours, so maybe it will be effective for

:41:23. > :41:28.severe self injurious behaviour or severe mood symptoms. From what I

:41:29. > :41:35.have seen over the years, ECT is most effective when the condition is

:41:36. > :41:39.very serious, so the more serious the depression you treat, the more

:41:40. > :41:50.likely it is that the patient will recover. Phill, I think you want to

:41:51. > :41:54.respond? Well, in this country, I think there is a big problem at the

:41:55. > :41:58.moment with the over medication of children with autism and learning

:41:59. > :42:03.disabilities. Josh was on an anti-psychotic drug for a couple of

:42:04. > :42:10.years before he severely self injured. What we need to do first is

:42:11. > :42:13.what we have done with Josh, to understand the person, to develop

:42:14. > :42:16.the right support, to get to the root of the cause. Early

:42:17. > :42:22.intervention is the key, it didn't happen with Josh and now that he is

:42:23. > :42:26.home, now that he is being looked after nearer to his home with

:42:27. > :42:30.family, which he asked for the three years, he has improved physically

:42:31. > :42:36.and emotionally. Too many families are going through this at the

:42:37. > :42:42.moment. Like I say, it worries me about the general anaesthetic side

:42:43. > :42:49.of it but you need to get to the root cause first, and is this a last

:42:50. > :42:53.resort treatment? I'm not sure if you are going to ask me the question

:42:54. > :43:00.about whether Josh would consider it but I don't think I could watch Josh

:43:01. > :43:06.go near the electrodes, lie on the bed and go through that again. Thank

:43:07. > :43:09.you very much. Very briefly, Carol, we heard about the importance of

:43:10. > :43:15.treating the individual, supporting a family, it seems there is a unique

:43:16. > :43:20.set of care packages that need to be put together for people? That is

:43:21. > :43:23.absolutely right, every person with autism is completely different and

:43:24. > :43:28.at the National Autistic Society we run schools and services and many of

:43:29. > :43:33.the young people in our services have very, very complex, very severe

:43:34. > :43:38.self injurious behaviour and with the right support, based around

:43:39. > :43:42.positive behaviours support, they can make enormous strides to develop

:43:43. > :43:46.really good lives over time. That will be music to the ears of parents

:43:47. > :43:52.who are struggling with children with these very complex issues.

:43:53. > :43:55.Carol Povey, director of the Centre For Autism, Phill wills, and

:43:56. > :44:01.Professor Kirov, we appreciate you joining us today.

:44:02. > :44:04.Some breaking news, British police said Julian Assange will be arrested

:44:05. > :44:10.if he leaves the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Scotland Yard said it was

:44:11. > :44:13.obliged to execute a warrant issued by Westminster it scored for the

:44:14. > :44:18.arrest of Mr Assange following his failure to surrender to the court in

:44:19. > :44:23.June 2012, should he leave the embassy, despite the dropping of a

:44:24. > :44:24.rape investigation by Sweden. There will be more on that on the BBC News

:44:25. > :44:26.Channel at 11am. We'll be looking at last

:44:27. > :44:35.night's Ivor Novello Awards A security software designed

:44:36. > :44:37.to prevent bank fraud has been fooled by a BBC reporter

:44:38. > :44:41.and his twin. Dan Simmons, a reporter

:44:42. > :44:44.for the BBC's technology programme Click, set up an HSBC account

:44:45. > :44:47.and signed up to the their so-called HSBC says the system

:44:48. > :44:52.is secure because each But the bank let Dan Simmons'

:44:53. > :45:00.non-identical twin, Joe, access the account via the telephone

:45:01. > :45:02.after he mimicked After the tone, please

:45:03. > :45:08.complete the phrase "My The balance of your

:45:09. > :45:28.account is ?1.21 credit. Thought it was going to be

:45:29. > :45:36.more than that, Dan! We are joined by Dan

:45:37. > :45:49.and Joe Simmons. Tell us what you did. We thought we

:45:50. > :45:56.would try to break into several biometric security systems, we had

:45:57. > :46:00.time on our hands! It was for Click, the technology show, and we wanted

:46:01. > :46:06.to do different banking applications to see if we could get in and this

:46:07. > :46:11.particular one, HSBC's voice ID decided that it would play ball and

:46:12. > :46:16.let us in. I set up my account and when you set up your account, if you

:46:17. > :46:22.set it up with HSBC, all you have to do is say, my voice is my password

:46:23. > :46:28.five times. When you have done that, the bank has a boy sprint. All that

:46:29. > :46:39.my brother needed to do was take my account number, might sort code --

:46:40. > :46:43.the bank has a voice print. Those things are relatively easy to get

:46:44. > :46:49.hold of, and my date of birth, you know that. I do, because I was born

:46:50. > :46:59.first! You sound different to my ears so how hard was it? My voice is

:47:00. > :47:03.slightly lower, and the film crew said, you don't even sound alike so

:47:04. > :47:07.we are not expecting it and I was full of apologies because I have

:47:08. > :47:11.only had to hours sleep! I thought we were not going to cut the mustard

:47:12. > :47:17.and it was only when the camera crew were out and we were filming on your

:47:18. > :47:22.phone that I relaxed and everything fell into place. You are starting to

:47:23. > :47:28.sound more like each other! And I raised the pitch, a little bit, and

:47:29. > :47:32.my voice is my password and then what you saw. It is reckoned to be a

:47:33. > :47:39.secure system so what have they said in response? HSBC have said the

:47:40. > :47:47.system is very secure. They have said that it helps to prevent fraud.

:47:48. > :47:53.On their posters they say, your voice is unique and that is what

:47:54. > :48:00.makes voice ID secure. Your voice may be unique, that is up for debate

:48:01. > :48:06.by the way, but even if it is unique, it doesn't make the system

:48:07. > :48:11.secure. I think we have proven that. The suggestion is you need more than

:48:12. > :48:19.one security measure, not just your voice. I have had people on Facebook

:48:20. > :48:22.today saying that HSBC are saying, use our voice recognition system and

:48:23. > :48:28.they are saying they are glad they haven't. Maybe the system needs

:48:29. > :48:33.updating. It needs some work. I spoke to some expert who said that

:48:34. > :48:38.you need two factor authentication on anything to do with something

:48:39. > :48:42.like banking. That is about something you know, something you

:48:43. > :48:49.have or something you are. More on Click? Yes, on the show this weekend

:48:50. > :48:56.across the BBC News Channel and on BBC World News. I'm glad you're not

:48:57. > :49:01.identical! Thank you for coming in. John McDonnell is speaking in

:49:02. > :49:06.central London at a live event as part of the Labour election campaign

:49:07. > :49:11.and we can listen in. 95% of tax grows, no increase in VAT or

:49:12. > :49:15.national insurance contributions. Labour plan that will invest in

:49:16. > :49:20.vital public services. That is the choice at this election. A clear

:49:21. > :49:23.threat to working people's living standards or a Labour Party that

:49:24. > :49:33.will stand up for the many, not the few. Let me just mention the issue

:49:34. > :49:37.with regard to older people. Yesterday the Conservative Party

:49:38. > :49:44.abandoned older people. There was a triple whammy. The tearing up of the

:49:45. > :49:50.triple lock, the attack on the winter fuel allowance and yes, the

:49:51. > :49:57.plans on care costs where people could lose control of their homes. I

:49:58. > :50:02.want to mention the issue around the winter fuel allowance. To be frank,

:50:03. > :50:06.I'm angry. I'm one of those people who campaigned against fuel poverty

:50:07. > :50:11.for a number of years and welcomed the introduction of the winter fuel

:50:12. > :50:17.allowance. There are 1 million pensioners and more living in fuel

:50:18. > :50:23.poverty, 30,000 excess deaths a year in winter in this country. It looks

:50:24. > :50:29.as though, as the resolution Foundation has said, the means test

:50:30. > :50:33.could hit those not all on pension credit, 10 million people. We also

:50:34. > :50:38.know that the third, because it is means tested on pension credit, a

:50:39. > :50:43.third don't claim. This is a savage attack on vulnerable pensioners,

:50:44. > :50:49.particularly those who are just about managing. It is disgraceful

:50:50. > :50:55.and we are calling upon the Conservative Party now to withdraw

:50:56. > :51:01.it today, to withdraw it today. We will not stand by and allow our

:51:02. > :51:04.pensioners' winter fuel allowance to be cut in this way and for so many

:51:05. > :51:10.of them to be back in a situation where they have to choose whether

:51:11. > :51:13.they heat or eat. Visit the fifth richest country in the world, we

:51:14. > :51:21.should be able to keep our pensioners safe and warm in winter.

:51:22. > :51:26.Thank you. We have a little time for questions from the media and I will

:51:27. > :51:32.take them in groups of three. We are going to leave it there. That was

:51:33. > :51:35.John McDonnell speaking in central London as part of the Labour

:51:36. > :51:42.election campaign and we will have more on that later on BBC News.

:51:43. > :51:51.Laura Pulp said she felt vindicated for winning album of the year at the

:51:52. > :51:53.Ivor Novello awards -- Laura Mvula. Grime artist Skepta picked up two

:51:54. > :52:04.awards. The awards were yesterday, late

:52:05. > :52:11.afternoon. They celebrate into the night! Who were the winners? The

:52:12. > :52:15.creme de la creme turned up because it is all about the songwriting, the

:52:16. > :52:22.art and creativity about writing songs and composing music. Coldplay

:52:23. > :52:27.beat themselves, they won best performed song for their track Him

:52:28. > :52:33.For The Weekend and were nominated twice in that category alongside

:52:34. > :52:38.Adele. Florence Welch won the International award and she thanked

:52:39. > :52:41.her dad for that and dedicated it to her, who helped her in her early

:52:42. > :52:50.career but Skepta was the big name of the night. Normally the awards go

:52:51. > :52:55.to what some media critics called light of this, with Ed Sheeran and

:52:56. > :52:59.Adele winning before and he was humbled and pleased to win the

:53:00. > :53:03.award. He talked about the fact that he was not somebody who had done

:53:04. > :53:08.this his whole life, he didn't grow up at the age of 14 writing songs or

:53:09. > :53:14.trying to do anything that would build a music career, he other

:53:15. > :53:16.stuff. He was Willie happy that the won an award for songwriter of the

:53:17. > :53:19.year -- really happy. It's surprising because, again,

:53:20. > :53:21.you never think, when you're rapping and you're just writing

:53:22. > :53:26.you never think your songs are like put on a pedestal

:53:27. > :53:28.of like Chris Martin, Now I understand, everything

:53:29. > :53:32.I've been writing, it's So I'm going to take a lot

:53:33. > :53:47.of pride in my next work. And he normally takes his parents

:53:48. > :53:54.with him? At the Mercury awards last year he had his mum on dad -- 's mum

:53:55. > :53:58.and dad on stage but this year the award was presented to him by his

:53:59. > :54:03.sister. He did say that he couldn't imagine what they were thinking

:54:04. > :54:07.about his career right now. Laura Mvula won album of the year and said

:54:08. > :54:11.she felt vindicated. She was actually dropped by her record label

:54:12. > :54:15.in March and she says she is busier than ever and so happy she has been

:54:16. > :54:20.recognised for her talent. Thank you very much.

:54:21. > :54:27.Let's return to the story about Julian Assange and the Director of

:54:28. > :54:31.Public Prosecutions in Sweden who has dropped the investigation into

:54:32. > :54:35.those rape allegations. Our report it in the Stockholm where a news

:54:36. > :54:39.conference on the decision to drop the case is about to happen. It has

:54:40. > :54:42.all happened in the last few minutes? We are expecting the press

:54:43. > :54:46.conference to take place at any moment but there has been a document

:54:47. > :54:51.released by the prosecution service here in Sweden saying the

:54:52. > :54:55.investigation into those sex crime allegations against Julian Assange

:54:56. > :55:00.is not go to continue. All we know so far is that this is the result of

:55:01. > :55:05.him being questioned recently at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London which

:55:06. > :55:07.all happened via translators. We know Swedish prosecutors have looked

:55:08. > :55:14.at the transcripts and they say they continue the investigation and have

:55:15. > :55:18.decided not to continue. They have responded to his lawyers requests to

:55:19. > :55:22.drop the European Arrest Warrant against him and that is now going to

:55:23. > :55:27.be dropped. We are expecting more information from prosecutors in the

:55:28. > :55:32.next few minutes but this is a big development in the case and

:55:33. > :55:36.essentially his future is now unclear. It may be that he can leave

:55:37. > :55:40.the embassy in London although police have said they still want to

:55:41. > :55:44.question him and of course he is still wanted for questioning in the

:55:45. > :55:48.United States over the leak of all those top secret cables through his

:55:49. > :55:52.WikiLeaks website. That was almost what he said, not so much being

:55:53. > :55:57.extradited to Sweden which would trouble him but what might happen to

:55:58. > :56:01.him afterwards. He has always strongly denied the allegations

:56:02. > :56:06.against him which involved molestation and rape. The

:56:07. > :56:11.molestation charges expired under Swedish law in 2015, the rape

:56:12. > :56:15.allegation still stood. He protested his innocence and had long fought

:56:16. > :56:19.for prosecutors to come and question him in London early in the process

:56:20. > :56:27.which has been going on for some seven years now but he did fear that

:56:28. > :56:30.if he landed on Swedish soil it would result in him being extradited

:56:31. > :56:34.to the US. We are watching closely to see what happens later. It has

:56:35. > :56:37.been a big story here with public and media interest but how much

:56:38. > :56:42.attention has there been in Sweden? A lot less, the press room had a lot

:56:43. > :56:48.of international journalists including Swedish ones but generally

:56:49. > :56:52.there has not been as much focus on the amount of taxpayers money that

:56:53. > :56:58.has been spent on this case. It was said in 2016 that ?12 million, and

:56:59. > :57:02.that number would have gone up, we asked police for an updated figure

:57:03. > :57:08.but could not get that before this press conference. It has been lower

:57:09. > :57:11.key in Sweden but it takes sex crimes and rape allegations

:57:12. > :57:14.seriously and the definitions of those crimes are broader than in

:57:15. > :57:18.other countries so that despite that is white prosecutors say they were

:57:19. > :57:26.taking this investigation seriously. -- that is why. It seems to have

:57:27. > :57:28.taken a long time to come to this decision and drop it? Absolutely and

:57:29. > :57:36.that is what the criticism has been from Julius -- von Julian Assange's

:57:37. > :57:41.lawyers. That link the convent is about to start in a few minutes. --

:57:42. > :57:49.at the press conference. Thank you very much. That was from Stockholm

:57:50. > :57:55.where they are waiting for the press conference to start. A reminder that

:57:56. > :58:01.he police in London have said that they would arrest Julian Assange if

:58:02. > :58:08.he left the Ecuadorian Embassy. He has been living there, seeking

:58:09. > :58:13.refuge from arrest since 2012. He is 45 now and has been living there for

:58:14. > :58:14.almost five years. This story is not over by any means.

:58:15. > :58:34.My wife keeps wondering, could she have done better than me?

:58:35. > :58:37.I mean, if she picked you purely romantically,

:58:38. > :58:39.instead of rigorously, you may not be the optimal.

:58:40. > :58:43.if she could date 100 people in her lifetime,

:58:44. > :58:47.she takes the first square root of those, so, 10,