The Big Debate

:00:07. > :00:12.Good morning and welcome to Dunstable in Bedfordshire.

:00:13. > :00:20.With just over a week to go till a general election,

:00:21. > :00:23.we're here to look at some of the key issues that may influence

:00:24. > :00:40.I'm very worried about security in the country and I don't trust any of

:00:41. > :00:46.the parties to deal with it. Hello, I am Nasir and I'm concerned about

:00:47. > :00:50.the state of NHS funding. I am Helena from Luton, I am fed up with

:00:51. > :00:55.the immature backstabbing between parties. It is undermining your

:00:56. > :01:01.credibility, please get on with your jobs. I am Mark from Luton, I am

:01:02. > :01:08.worried about affordable housing for local people.

:01:09. > :01:15.I'm not happy with the choices we have for next Prime Minister.

:01:16. > :01:21.Theresa May is not prepared to stand on a platform and take questions

:01:22. > :01:27.from her peers and the audience, then she doesn't deserve our votes.

:01:28. > :01:30.I am voting SNP. And of course you can get

:01:31. > :01:33.in touch wherever you are - You can email victoria@bbc.co.uk,

:01:34. > :01:46.text 61124, hashtag victorialive on Twitter, or search

:01:47. > :01:56.Victoria Derbyshire on Facebook. We're live until 11am this morning

:01:57. > :02:15.with an audience of 120 people, and live on stage

:02:16. > :02:22.at the Grove Theatre. Here to tell our assembled

:02:23. > :02:24.group of politicians exactly what they think

:02:25. > :02:26.about key issues like the NHS, Brexit, the economy,

:02:27. > :02:36.housing and security. There is so much to talk about this

:02:37. > :02:40.morning, not enough time so let's crack on with the news.

:02:41. > :02:45.Police say they've arrested a 23-year-old man in the seaside

:02:46. > :02:46.town of Shoreham-by-Sea near Brighton in connection

:02:47. > :02:48.with last week's Manchester terror attack.

:02:49. > :02:52.It brings the total of people arrested over the attack to 16,

:02:53. > :02:59.I've just finished work, on my way home, getting ready to go to

:03:00. > :03:02.my girlfriend's house, and there are police outside my door.

:03:03. > :03:06.Do you know why the police are there?

:03:07. > :03:11.I was reading something I've seen online on the way home and I was

:03:12. > :03:18.Meanwhile, the security service MI5 is to hold an inquiry into how it

:03:19. > :03:19.dealt with information from the public

:03:20. > :03:24.Authorities were warned about Salman Abedi's extremist views

:03:25. > :03:28.on at least three occasions, but failed to stop him murdering

:03:29. > :03:57.Customers of British Airways have expressed frustration over a lack of

:03:58. > :04:01.information. I think one of the main

:04:02. > :04:03.frustrations certainly yesterday when people

:04:04. > :04:04.were wondering how do we get back home,

:04:05. > :04:07.was the fact that the advice coming from British Airways for people

:04:08. > :04:10.who were overseas just simply wasn't working and it wasn't helping

:04:11. > :04:13.you re-book flights back to the UK. British Airways were saying

:04:14. > :04:15.they were going to run a near normal service from Heathrow and Gatwick

:04:16. > :04:18.yesterday, one of the major frustrations for people I've been

:04:19. > :04:24.speaking to here was the fact that there was no mention

:04:25. > :04:26.really of all those thousands of people

:04:27. > :04:27.who were More than 200 drivers a day have

:04:28. > :04:34.been caught using their mobile phones in the month after the law

:04:35. > :04:37.was changed to bring According to figures obtained

:04:38. > :04:40.by the Press Association, that's the equivalent of one offence

:04:41. > :04:44.every seven minutes. The penalty for using a phone

:04:45. > :04:47.while driving doubled to ?200 New drivers now face

:04:48. > :04:58.losing their licence altogether. Japan has lodged a protest

:04:59. > :05:01.after North Korea fired a missile The Scud missile,

:05:02. > :05:03.which was launched from North Korea's eastern coast,

:05:04. > :05:05.travelled around 280 miles before crashing into the sea

:05:06. > :05:10.near the Japanese mainland. It's the third apparently successful

:05:11. > :05:23.missile test by the military Police in County Down sale Lone

:05:24. > :05:30.gunmen was responsible for shooting a man dead in front of his son in

:05:31. > :05:34.Bangor. He was approached in the car park of a Sainsbury's supermarket

:05:35. > :05:36.and shot several times. Officers have called it a cold-blooded

:05:37. > :05:38.murder. France's new president,

:05:39. > :05:40.Emmanuel Macron, will hold talks with his Russian counterparty

:05:41. > :05:42.Vladimir Putin later in their first meeting since Macron

:05:43. > :05:45.was elected earlier this month. It could prove awkward

:05:46. > :05:47.for the two leaders - during the French campaign,

:05:48. > :05:49.Mr Putin hosted Mr Macron's Russia has also been accused

:05:50. > :05:52.of launching cyber attacks against the Macron campaign in a bid

:05:53. > :06:02.to undermine it. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:06:03. > :06:21.News - more at 9.30am. Fernando Alonso made his publicised

:06:22. > :06:25.debut in the Indy 500 race but engine failure meant he had to pull

:06:26. > :06:32.out with 21 laps to go. The talking point of this race will be this,

:06:33. > :06:38.Howard and Dixon colliding with each other at 178 mph. A lucky escape for

:06:39. > :06:43.both drivers as they were able to get out of their cars after this. In

:06:44. > :06:50.fact Dixon said after those who will be back racing very soon. Not too

:06:51. > :06:54.bad, my ankle is beaten up, I might have a small fracture there but

:06:55. > :06:58.hopefully on the mend and back in the car next week. It is very

:06:59. > :07:08.slippery, probably picked up some debris. I was hoping he would stay

:07:09. > :07:09.high but as he collected the wall the car came down and had nowhere to

:07:10. > :07:10.go. In tennis, Aljaz Bedene gets under

:07:11. > :07:13.way in the French Open first Yesterday, a big moment

:07:14. > :07:17.for Dan Evans, who made his debut in the tournament -

:07:18. > :07:19.it ended in defeat, though, Clay is not Evans' favourite

:07:20. > :07:22.surface, and it showed, as the British number four lost

:07:23. > :07:25.by three sets to one. This could prove to be

:07:26. > :07:27.the shock of the tournament - the top seed in the women's draw,

:07:28. > :07:29.Angelique Kerber, She was beaten in straight sets

:07:30. > :07:35.by Ekaterina Makerova. It's billed as the most lucrative

:07:36. > :07:38.match in world football, and it's estimated that

:07:39. > :07:42.at least ?170 million awaits the winner of today's

:07:43. > :07:44.Championship play-off final between Huddersfield

:07:45. > :07:47.Town and Reading. One of those two clubs will join

:07:48. > :08:02.Newcastle and Brighton in promotion Sometimes the feeling, if you are

:08:03. > :08:09.not over support, everybody in Britain, maybe in Europe, supports

:08:10. > :08:12.Huddersfield town and likes to bring this fairy tale to happy and so it

:08:13. > :08:17.looks like the second fairy tale in British football in a row after

:08:18. > :08:22.Leicester last season, and this is what we are feeling. We are feeling

:08:23. > :08:27.that we get back from a lot of people all over Britain. We need to

:08:28. > :08:31.think about what we need to do now to win that game. That's what we

:08:32. > :08:36.will be facing. We are not going to be thinking about what it does to

:08:37. > :08:39.the club if we win, there is also a chance of losing.

:08:40. > :08:46.That's the sport - now back to Victoria in Dunstable.

:08:47. > :08:50.Good morning and welcome back to Bedfordshire.

:08:51. > :08:52.On the agenda today - security, the NHS, Brexit,

:08:53. > :08:54.housing and whatever else our audience of 120

:08:55. > :09:00.It was 41 days ago that Theresa May surprised most of us by announcing

:09:01. > :09:03.a snap general election, campaigning for which was suspended last

:09:04. > :09:06.week after Manchester's devastating terror attack

:09:07. > :09:13.Since then security has dominated the agenda with Labour

:09:14. > :09:14.and the Conservatives both promising to bolster

:09:15. > :09:34.In the light of what happened in Manchester a week ago, is anybody

:09:35. > :09:39.going to change their vote? My name is Charlie, I am from Luton, I run a

:09:40. > :09:44.small business. I have lived in England for 30 years and the last

:09:45. > :09:48.election I voted Conservative. Following the Manchester bombing and

:09:49. > :09:52.the subsequent talks between the parties, I am looking at I don't

:09:53. > :09:56.want to carry on with the policy bombing Middle Eastern countries and

:09:57. > :10:01.them trying to defend themselves with security services here. It is

:10:02. > :10:05.plainly not working and Jeremy Corbyn is starting to cut free with

:10:06. > :10:15.me that there could be another way and I'm interested in what Labour

:10:16. > :10:20.say on this. Anybody else who is changing the vote as a result of the

:10:21. > :10:26.events last week? No, I'm not changing my vote but I want to

:10:27. > :10:36.contribute to the debate on terrorism and security. Can I ask

:10:37. > :10:43.what you were planning to vote? I will vote Labour. And how do you

:10:44. > :10:47.think the parties have responded? What is your view of the way the

:10:48. > :10:52.parties have responded since the events last Monday? They have

:10:53. > :11:00.responded expectedly, everyone has come out and condemned it. But my

:11:01. > :11:05.regret is a Muslim and as a British citizen is that the policies in this

:11:06. > :11:17.area of our community life have not been working. The evidence is there

:11:18. > :11:22.in one form or another in the shape of Manchester and in the shape of

:11:23. > :11:28.other arrests and prosecutions which are being taken against people who

:11:29. > :11:37.are involved in terrorism. What is the one thing you would want to see

:11:38. > :11:42.changed? What I would like to see is that a medium to long-term project

:11:43. > :11:50.of integration for Muslim community is promoted, and that would be done

:11:51. > :11:54.through talking to imams, community activists, and directly with Muslim

:11:55. > :12:04.communities. Making it known to them that their voices are very weak in

:12:05. > :12:15.condemning extremism. They need to be more strong, obvious and clear.

:12:16. > :12:20.Thank you, lady over here. After Manchester, I have bought tickets

:12:21. > :12:24.for Robbie Williams concert for my son and my reaction was instantly to

:12:25. > :12:28.tell him not to go. The youngsters have the attitude that we are not

:12:29. > :12:33.going to be stopped by these people, but security needs to be looked

:12:34. > :12:38.into. We need more police officers as a first-line back on the streets

:12:39. > :12:42.and in strategic places we need armed officers, not just a bobby on

:12:43. > :12:52.the beat. Have you changed the way you will vote as a result? No, I was

:12:53. > :12:55.heading toward Labour and after what I have heard in the last week it

:12:56. > :12:59.will probably still be Labour. I have been a campaigner for democracy

:13:00. > :13:03.in Luton for the last three and a half years, in discrimination in

:13:04. > :13:06.different areas. I would still vote Conservative and wouldn't change my

:13:07. > :13:11.mind because I think Theresa May would stand up for us and if she

:13:12. > :13:19.gets a good vote she would come out the next day and let Europe go to

:13:20. > :13:26.hell. That's clear, thank you. I am Derek, on the basis of at least

:13:27. > :13:31.10,000 new police officers Jeremy Corbyn has promised, but where is

:13:32. > :13:35.this money coming from? Diane Abbott coming out with figures all over the

:13:36. > :13:42.place. It is good money but I think it will change with her hairstyle.

:13:43. > :13:54.That is a reference to an interview Diane Abbott gave yesterday when she

:13:55. > :14:02.spoke about her hairstyle. Let me bring in some politicians who are

:14:03. > :14:06.here today. Dominic Raab, your Home Secretary suggested this country

:14:07. > :14:11.would face a greater risk to security of this country were Prime

:14:12. > :14:17.Minister, do you agree with her? Yes, that's true. We have increased

:14:18. > :14:20.counterterrorism police, we are bringing in 2000 more into

:14:21. > :14:26.intelligence agencies and we have spoken about more vigorous policing

:14:27. > :14:30.in the online space and prosecuting UK jihadis who go into the

:14:31. > :14:36.battlefield abroad. I do think leadership matters and I will put it

:14:37. > :14:41.as candid as I can. I don't think you can compare the leadership

:14:42. > :14:46.Theresa May offers with Jeremy Corbyn, who has had a political

:14:47. > :14:53.lifetime of sporting the IRA. In 2009 he described Hamas and

:14:54. > :14:58.Hezbollah members as his friends. I don't think the guy that wants to

:14:59. > :15:04.befriend the terrorists is the right guy to defend us against the

:15:05. > :15:09.terrorists. You could hear the groans from the audience. My name is

:15:10. > :15:14.Terry and I am from Luton. I want to challenge you straightaway. If it

:15:15. > :15:18.hadn't been for Jeremy Corbyn talking about Northern Ireland,

:15:19. > :15:24.talking with the IRA back in the day, there would be no peace

:15:25. > :15:30.process. He opened the door, and by the way Margaret Thatcher was doing

:15:31. > :15:35.back door deals. Anyway, what really annoys me about Conservatives and

:15:36. > :15:39.your Tory media, the day after Manchester it was there. Jeremy

:15:40. > :15:44.Corbyn has got blood on his hands. You want to talk about that, Theresa

:15:45. > :15:50.May is selling weapons to the Saudis who are dropping them on kids in

:15:51. > :15:51.Yemen. If Jeremy Corbyn has blood on his hands, Theresa May is bathing in

:15:52. > :16:00.blood. Theresa May was leading the Home

:16:01. > :16:07.Office when she cut 20,000 police officers and 1300 armed officers and

:16:08. > :16:12.26,000 support staff in community support officers. Dominik, has that

:16:13. > :16:16.had an impact on Officers' ability to build trust within communities

:16:17. > :16:23.and therefore intelligence gatherer at local level? In terms of ordinary

:16:24. > :16:28.crime... No, I am asking specifically about intelligence

:16:29. > :16:31.gathering. In terms of counterterrorism police... I am not

:16:32. > :16:37.asking about counterterrorism police, I am asking about the 20,000

:16:38. > :16:42.fewer police officers and the 26,000 fewer support staff. Do you think

:16:43. > :16:51.that has had an impact on building trust within communities? Yes or no?

:16:52. > :16:56.I don't think that is a simple question of pouring in more

:16:57. > :17:02.resources. No, it is about cutting resources. Victoria, you have

:17:03. > :17:08.interrupted me. Because you are not answering the question. Let me try

:17:09. > :17:12.and answer it. We have invested more in counterterrorism police. Are you

:17:13. > :17:17.saying that those cuts have not had no impact? Please answer the

:17:18. > :17:20.question. We would all like more police on the street, but I have

:17:21. > :17:25.pointed to ordinary crime because with respect, finite resources can

:17:26. > :17:28.be focused to get better outcomes in terms of cutting crime and

:17:29. > :17:32.terrorism. But you also need leadership. It is all very well this

:17:33. > :17:35.gentleman said Jeremy Corbyn was somehow John the Baptist, leading us

:17:36. > :17:43.to peace in Northern Ireland. But the reality is, just last Friday, he

:17:44. > :17:47.couldn't be honest about meeting convicted IRA members. And by

:17:48. > :17:50.Sunday, we knew he had. I don't think that is the kind of straight

:17:51. > :17:57.talking politician we need to lead us and I don't think someone that is

:17:58. > :18:00.so keen to get close with convicted terrorists or Hezbollah and Hamas

:18:01. > :18:06.members is the right person to protect this country from terrorism.

:18:07. > :18:09.Emily Thornberry for Labour, Jeremy Corbyn has expressed support for

:18:10. > :18:12.what people describe as Britain's enemies, revert to Hamas as friends,

:18:13. > :18:18.associated with Gerry Adams within weeks of the Brighton bombing. That

:18:19. > :18:21.is a problem for Labour, isn't it? Jeremy's approach is a clear one,

:18:22. > :18:27.which is that we need to talk to people when we can in order to find

:18:28. > :18:34.common ground and find a way forward. But do you accept that his

:18:35. > :18:39.past associations mean he has a problem when it comes to national

:18:40. > :18:45.security? I think that for fair-minded people, that is not

:18:46. > :18:48.true. People know he was representing a community that had a

:18:49. > :18:54.high proportion of Irish people. In the 1980s, something had to be done

:18:55. > :18:58.and he was involved in trying to bring people to the table. So was

:18:59. > :19:04.the Conservative government, but they were doing it secretly. He was

:19:05. > :19:10.doing it openly. And we got the Good Friday agreement. We can't deal with

:19:11. > :19:14.Daesh, because they are a death cult. There is no negotiation with

:19:15. > :19:19.guys like that. But where you can find common purpose, work with

:19:20. > :19:23.people. And when people point out that Jeremy Corbyn and your Shadow

:19:24. > :19:26.Home Secretary Diane Abbott have both voted against or not turned up

:19:27. > :19:30.for every vote that has ever been since 2001 when it comes to

:19:31. > :19:38.anti-terror legislation, why should people trust your party? Diane was

:19:39. > :19:41.saying yesterday that a lot of these votes were the ones where

:19:42. > :19:48.Conservatives voted the same way as Jeremy and Diane in any event. But

:19:49. > :19:52.why should people trust Labour on national security? Because the

:19:53. > :19:55.approach that Labour takes is to look at legislation that works.

:19:56. > :20:00.Let's look at legislation that doesn't divide communities, but

:20:01. > :20:03.brings them together. If there are things the security services need by

:20:04. > :20:08.way of legislation, we should give it to them. But we don't just do

:20:09. > :20:13.things for the sake of being seen to do things. I voted against 90 days

:20:14. > :20:18.where people were to be arrested on the basis of no evidence and been

:20:19. > :20:22.held for three months. I later voted against 42 days. I am proud of that

:20:23. > :20:28.because that would have divided our communities and was not going to

:20:29. > :20:35.help with fighting terrorism. Tina from Milton Keynes. Is now not the

:20:36. > :20:39.time for all our parties to come together and have a cross-party

:20:40. > :20:46.coalition so that we cancel got -- we cancel the security? We have lost

:20:47. > :20:48.and had people murdered in our country this week. Innocent

:20:49. > :20:52.children's futures have been wiped out. Why can't the parties come

:20:53. > :21:03.together and form a strong strategy to move forward and be tough on

:21:04. > :21:08.terrorism? I am Azeez from London. This is a question for MLA. I hear

:21:09. > :21:12.what you are saying in terms of Jeremy Corbyn's approach being to

:21:13. > :21:18.talk to people, but how would that conversation go? The terrorists you

:21:19. > :21:22.are talking about, they are not forthcoming people that you sit down

:21:23. > :21:33.at a table and have a conversation and a cup of tea with. They are

:21:34. > :21:39.dangerous. They are a detriment to the world. So how do you expect that

:21:40. > :21:43.conversation to go when you talk to them? I agree with you. That was the

:21:44. > :21:47.point was trying to make, which is that there are some people you can

:21:48. > :21:52.talk to. So we had to find a way through with Northern Ireland. The

:21:53. > :21:56.problem with Islamic State or Daesh or whatever it is called is that all

:21:57. > :22:00.they want to do is attack our way of life. You don't talk to people who

:22:01. > :22:04.simply say, if girls wear miniskirts, we are going to blow

:22:05. > :22:10.them up. There is no talking to people like that. So it depends who

:22:11. > :22:15.you talk to. When people try to drag us back to the 1980s and said it was

:22:16. > :22:20.wrong for Jeremy Corbyn to speak to the Irish, that is an entirely

:22:21. > :22:24.different situation. People are playing party political games with

:22:25. > :22:30.this. Would you support a party that advocated talking to Isis?

:22:31. > :22:36.Absolutely not. They are not to be spoken to. Do you think they will be

:22:37. > :22:39.defeated militarily in the end? That is very hard to say. I don't think

:22:40. > :22:49.they will be defeated militarily, but I don't think talking to them is

:22:50. > :22:55.the solution. I am Roger, the Remainer from the West Midlands.

:22:56. > :23:01.Jeremy Corbyn has always been an ally of terrorists. All he is doing

:23:02. > :23:08.at the moment is trying to keep a lid on it. If I remember correctly,

:23:09. > :23:15.he brought Gerry Adams to the Houses of Parliament within a short while

:23:16. > :23:22.after the Brighton bombing. He is trying to keep a lid on what he

:23:23. > :23:26.really believes. The other point is, I don't think the UK should ever go

:23:27. > :23:33.into another conflict with just the US as a partner. Which is the party

:23:34. > :23:43.you support to better protect this country? In a nutshell, none of

:23:44. > :23:46.them! Let me bring in the Liberal Democrats. Let me answer that. I

:23:47. > :23:51.think it is really unfair to try to paint Jeremy Corbyn somebody who

:23:52. > :23:57.doesn't love this country as much as anyone else, who doesn't want to

:23:58. > :24:03.keep this country safe. I did not say he didn't love this country.

:24:04. > :24:11.Where it has been possible to talk to people, that is what you do. In

:24:12. > :24:19.relation to IS of course we cannot defeat this death cult militarily.

:24:20. > :24:24.We have to make sure we do not allow people to become marginalised. Those

:24:25. > :24:31.who are becoming extreme, we need to bring in a strategy that keeps us

:24:32. > :24:33.safe. Lord Newby, your party when government with the Conservatives

:24:34. > :24:39.when you allowed those cuts to police numbers to go ahead. How DUP?

:24:40. > :24:45.The big cuts in police numbers have happened very recently. Know, since

:24:46. > :24:49.2010, when you were in government. We had to make reductions across the

:24:50. > :24:54.board in 2010 because we inherited an absolute financial crisis. The

:24:55. > :24:59.question is what we do now about it. In your manifesto, you say you would

:25:00. > :25:03.reduce state surveillance powers and scrap the government's counter

:25:04. > :25:08.radicalisation programme. How would that help people? Well, the Prevent

:25:09. > :25:13.programme is not totally successful because it is a top-down programme.

:25:14. > :25:18.Would we be better protected without it? Well, you would replace it with

:25:19. > :25:21.something else. The thing you need to replace it with, you need more

:25:22. > :25:30.community engagement and you need to invest more in community policing.

:25:31. > :25:36.The chief Inspector of Constabulary said the community policing model is

:25:37. > :25:41.now under threat. That is the easiest way to protect our

:25:42. > :25:44.community. Let's hear from the SNP and then Ukip. I think we should

:25:45. > :25:52.stop impugning one another's motives in this debate. It leaves an

:25:53. > :25:57.extraordinarily bad taste. We are in the immediate aftermath of this

:25:58. > :26:02.terrorist atrocity that has destroyed so many families' lives,

:26:03. > :26:06.and we are all horrified by it. And all of our political leaders are

:26:07. > :26:17.determined to stop terrorism. So it is in bad taste for Dominic to use

:26:18. > :26:22.this the way he is. This is an old electoral trick. We have seen it in

:26:23. > :26:25.the United States. The Tories do it at times of crisis that somehow, a

:26:26. > :26:30.Conservative government is going to keep us safe and government of

:26:31. > :26:34.another he will leave all exposed. It is nonsense. Where are all

:26:35. > :26:41.patriots. I don't doubt that Jeremy Corbyn has a set of values in his

:26:42. > :26:46.own mind which are honourable. Than leave it at that. I don't think I

:26:47. > :26:50.will leave it at that, and I will tell you why. In ten days' time, we

:26:51. > :26:53.will take a decision on who is going to lead this country and it is not

:26:54. > :27:03.just the cosying up to some of these unsavoury groups,... You have said

:27:04. > :27:12.that several times now. It is also the fact that he is talking about

:27:13. > :27:18.disarming the police. What?! Wet. What do you mean, he has talked

:27:19. > :27:23.about disarming the police? He has said he's not sure about drone

:27:24. > :27:27.strikes with civilian casualties. Jeremy Corbyn may be a decent guy,

:27:28. > :27:36.but he is not the strong leader we need. I am going to bring in Suzanne

:27:37. > :27:40.Evans from Ukip. Your manifesto launched last week. You said Theresa

:27:41. > :27:44.May must bear some responsibility for what happened in Manchester. Do

:27:45. > :27:47.you stand by that? Yes. The gentleman at the top of this

:27:48. > :27:51.programme said if it comes to a choice between Theresa May Jeremy

:27:52. > :28:01.Corbyn and keeping the country safe, both fail their records. As you said

:28:02. > :28:05.at the beginning yourself, Victoria, under Theresa May's rule as Home

:28:06. > :28:08.Secretary, there were deep cuts to the police force and I think

:28:09. > :28:11.community policing is very important for stop it is our community police

:28:12. > :28:17.officers who have their ear to the ground and build relationships with

:28:18. > :28:24.local communities and can spot discrepancies. Your policy of

:28:25. > :28:31.wanting to ban the burqa, does that help better protect people? Not per

:28:32. > :28:34.se. But that is about integration. The trouble with this debate is that

:28:35. > :28:41.politicians are trying to put forward simplistic solutions. This

:28:42. > :28:45.is something we have to tackle at numerous levels. We have to tackle

:28:46. > :28:49.it from a security perspective. We have to make sure we keep our people

:28:50. > :28:54.say. That is the first job of government. We have to tackle it in

:28:55. > :28:57.terms of integrating communities better stop I am pleased to hear you

:28:58. > :29:01.say that there are some elements of the Muslim community that do need to

:29:02. > :29:05.work harder at that. We need to look at immigration because under a

:29:06. > :29:12.Labour government, we opened the borders to people... But the bomb

:29:13. > :29:17.last week was British. His parents were refugees. So we should have

:29:18. > :29:24.known that their offspring would? His parents have radicalised him. My

:29:25. > :29:28.point is that there are numerous levels on which we need to attack

:29:29. > :29:32.this. I agree with what a lot of people have said here. Politicians

:29:33. > :29:36.try to find simplistic solutions, but integration is a significant

:29:37. > :29:40.one. You have just said integration is important and I agree with that,

:29:41. > :29:51.but the notion of telling people what to wear, when to wear it and

:29:52. > :29:55.how to wear it is ridiculous. If you want to talk about integration, talk

:29:56. > :30:00.about the success and failure of the Prevent strategy. If these two are

:30:01. > :30:03.failing, how would you change it effectively? Telling a person what

:30:04. > :30:10.to wear isn't going to make a difference. I am not going to tell

:30:11. > :30:17.nuns they can't walk about in black and white habits.

:30:18. > :30:26.You are very strong woman and I'm sure in any other circumstance you

:30:27. > :30:33.would stand up... I am here speaking out, do not judge me on whether I am

:30:34. > :30:37.Muslim or not. You cannot doubt that whether to cover yourself from head

:30:38. > :30:44.to foot in black, and to be told to do that, that isn't anything but

:30:45. > :30:52.emancipation to women. There are many women out there who choose to

:30:53. > :31:04.do that. Where are you on the balaclava ban? This is what happens

:31:05. > :31:09.in politics, this is why we have a problem in politics because you try

:31:10. > :31:19.to make a serious point... It is not serious. In our communities we are

:31:20. > :31:27.being abused in a way that a white, middle-class woman like me... There

:31:28. > :31:33.is nothing that divides communities more than the oppression of women.

:31:34. > :31:39.Let me remind our audience of our guests.

:31:40. > :31:41.Emily Thornberry is Labour's spokesperson on foreign affairs.

:31:42. > :31:43.Dick Newby is the leader of the Liberal Democrat group

:31:44. > :31:46.John Nicolson s the SNP's spokesperson on culture,

:31:47. > :31:49.Suzanne Evans is the Deputy Chair of Ukip.

:31:50. > :31:59.I am a postgraduate student. I want to pick up on what Susanna said. I

:32:00. > :32:02.am a British Muslim. The attacks recently I condemn 100%, I don't

:32:03. > :32:09.think there is anyone in the room that disagrees with that. What I

:32:10. > :32:18.would say is that I integrate fully in this community. I integrate into

:32:19. > :32:30.the way of life in the UK, I... And what I find quite distressing is how

:32:31. > :32:35.yet again from you, Susanna, you say the burqa is something that is

:32:36. > :32:40.mandatory, you have to wear it. No, I realise it is not. The Muslim

:32:41. > :32:46.women I have spoken to, I don't think choice is as black and white

:32:47. > :32:53.as they make out. I have many relatives who choose to wear the

:32:54. > :32:57.headscarf through their own choice. Suzanne Evans, Muslim woman have

:32:58. > :33:06.said to you, I am being made to wear this? Yes, and I have spoken to

:33:07. > :33:11.Muslim women who wear it in certain circumstances, because they feel

:33:12. > :33:16.that if they don't when there are Muslim men around they will be

:33:17. > :33:21.viewed as somehow easy. If I'm going to cover myself up because I don't

:33:22. > :33:27.want to be looked at by men, who has the problem there? Me or the men?

:33:28. > :33:30.Just to say, by the way, that our audience here in Dunstable

:33:31. > :33:33.is balanced to represent the number of people who voted for each party

:33:34. > :33:35.in previous general elections as well as some undecided voters.

:33:36. > :33:41.The Conservatives were accused of a U-turn on social care last week

:33:42. > :33:46.after Theresa May said under her plans there would now be a cap on

:33:47. > :33:51.how much people contributed to their own care costs. The change from the

:33:52. > :33:56.original policy published in the manifesto four days before. The NHS

:33:57. > :33:59.and social care is one of the issues people most care about ahead of the

:34:00. > :34:02.general election and political parties know that, all promising

:34:03. > :34:09.varying degrees of extra funding. We will introduce the first

:34:10. > :34:12.new mental health bill for 30 years to put parity of esteem at the heart

:34:13. > :34:15.of treatment and end the stigma Our health service is actually

:34:16. > :34:23.being dismantled by stealth. Over the past seven years,

:34:24. > :34:26.our national health service has been The Liberal Democrats will put 1p

:34:27. > :34:37.on income tax to raise 30 billion over a parliament to invest

:34:38. > :34:39.in our national health and social care service so you get

:34:40. > :34:42.the treatment you deserve So we have a commitment

:34:43. > :34:49.that by the end of this Scottish Parliament,

:34:50. > :34:51.the budget will be ?2 billion higher than it is today,

:34:52. > :34:54.more than inflation. Money not just for hospitals

:34:55. > :34:56.but for primary care, mental health services and community

:34:57. > :35:03.services as well. We will have a clear commitment

:35:04. > :35:06.to slash a foreign aid budget that is costing the British taxpayer

:35:07. > :35:09.in the region of ?30 million And we will redirect the money saved

:35:10. > :35:25.and plough it into our NHS. Plaid Cymru wants guaranteed

:35:26. > :35:27.extra funding for the NHS We've already secured an additional

:35:28. > :35:35.?20 million for mental health services here,

:35:36. > :35:42.but that is only the beginning. It simply can't be right that big

:35:43. > :35:46.business is making money out of that mess, so as well as putting

:35:47. > :35:49.more finance into the is really clear that we would take

:35:50. > :36:07.the private sector out of the NHS. Who do you trust most when it comes

:36:08. > :36:14.to the NHS? Which party do you trust to better protect your parents and

:36:15. > :36:19.grandparents? Good morning. Scott, I work for a national charity. I want

:36:20. > :36:23.to talk about dementia. 850,000 people in the UK currently have a

:36:24. > :36:28.diagnosis of dementia but only two thirds of those actually get any

:36:29. > :36:35.support because one third are undiagnosed. It costs the UK economy

:36:36. > :36:41.?26.3 billion per year in dementia. What I want to know is actually what

:36:42. > :36:47.are you going to do for those people and how are you going to make it

:36:48. > :36:51.fair and sustainable funded system rather than just causing attacks on

:36:52. > :36:56.people who have a long-term condition which affects the whole

:36:57. > :37:01.life? People as young as 30 are getting dementia. Frankly, I am glad

:37:02. > :37:05.Theresa May did a U-turn but it's time you scrapped that policy

:37:06. > :37:08.altogether, went back to the drawing board, talking to people who

:37:09. > :37:13.understand it rather than in your own fancy world picking figures out

:37:14. > :37:18.of the air which you think works. Talk to people on the ground. We

:37:19. > :37:24.will get responses from our politicians once we have taken a

:37:25. > :37:29.snapshot from our voters. My name is Lauren, I live in Dunstable. I think

:37:30. > :37:33.the Tory proposed policy is fair. Both my parents recently had to go

:37:34. > :37:36.into a care home and they are having to sell the house. They probably

:37:37. > :37:40.would have preferred to stay at home but could not have afforded to do

:37:41. > :37:44.that with the current policy as it stands because the level of care

:37:45. > :37:56.they require wouldn't be covered by the savings. So I think the policy

:37:57. > :37:59.is fair, with the protected ?100,000 I cannot see what is unfair and I

:38:00. > :38:02.would like to see what the Labour Party are going to do? We will ask

:38:03. > :38:05.them in a moment. There will be a cap now. Theresa May said there will

:38:06. > :38:11.be an absolute limit on the care costs people would pay, do you agree

:38:12. > :38:16.with that? I would like to know what that is, but I agree on the fact

:38:17. > :38:22.there will be a discussion on it. Would you like to know before the

:38:23. > :38:29.election what the cap is? I would like to know but it won't change my

:38:30. > :38:35.vote. I would like to talk about social care. We have worked all our

:38:36. > :38:40.lives to buy our house and educate our children. We don't think the

:38:41. > :38:44.current policy that the Conservatives have put forward in

:38:45. > :38:51.the manifesto is fair, and the cap I would like to see considered to be a

:38:52. > :38:57.percentage cap rather than just a cap somewhere along the line. I do

:38:58. > :39:02.wonder how on earth the care companies, the caregivers, are going

:39:03. > :39:06.to afford to provide the care if you don't pay your fee from your house

:39:07. > :39:14.sale when you die. Were you worried about potentially after your death,

:39:15. > :39:21.your house being taken from you? No, I don't mind paying for my care. I

:39:22. > :39:25.have worked all my life, but I do think the way they have put forward

:39:26. > :39:32.this proposal has been ill thought out. Good morning. I am Denise from

:39:33. > :39:36.Milton Keynes, a retired public sector worker currently working with

:39:37. > :39:42.a health charity and a carer for two of my adult children who have mental

:39:43. > :39:47.and physical health problems. I continue to struggle to find

:39:48. > :39:51.appropriate and timely care. This complete nonsense by the

:39:52. > :39:55.Conservative Party that parity of esteem, extra funding for mental

:39:56. > :40:00.health, it is not ring fenced so the clinical commission groups are using

:40:01. > :40:05.it wherever. And how can you blame them when the funding has been

:40:06. > :40:12.drastically cut? As a carer I am supposed to have an assessment, the

:40:13. > :40:16.staff have been cut four to one so I have a just wait before I can even

:40:17. > :40:21.get an assessment. In this area we are part of a sustainable scheme

:40:22. > :40:27.which is nationwide. Milton Keynes is being linked with Luton and

:40:28. > :40:31.Dunstable and Bedford. Make no mistake it is for cuts. In our

:40:32. > :40:39.region maternity and A is up for grabs. What that means is your loved

:40:40. > :40:43.one will have a half-hour ambulance journey to the nearest A, that's

:40:44. > :40:55.once the ambulance finally gets there. Thank you. Good morning. I

:40:56. > :40:59.have lived in England for 22 years, I run a care home in Luton looking

:41:00. > :41:09.after people with learning difficulties. My question is to the

:41:10. > :41:15.Labour... Prospective... We know what you mean. I know what the

:41:16. > :41:22.Conservatives have done since 2010, they have cut local funding to local

:41:23. > :41:30.authorities. I look after clients and we are expected to, with the

:41:31. > :41:33.living wage that came in, we are supposed to pay staff but the

:41:34. > :41:37.funding for looking after the service users has not been

:41:38. > :41:41.increased. The central government has cut the funding, and I want a

:41:42. > :41:46.note from the other parties what they are proposing to make sure that

:41:47. > :41:55.the funding is provided and where they will get the money from. Let's

:41:56. > :42:01.ask them. In terms of NHS and social care, Emily Thornberry, you are in

:42:02. > :42:05.total promising the most over the next five years, but in your

:42:06. > :42:09.manifesto you actually say short-term funding solutions for

:42:10. > :42:13.social care will not address the fundamental long-term challenges of

:42:14. > :42:18.our ageing demographic. Then you propose a short-term funding

:42:19. > :42:28.solution. Let's take it step-by-step. Without a doubt,

:42:29. > :42:32.obviously our country... Our populations are changing. We are

:42:33. > :42:36.living longer and there needs to be proper thought put into what our

:42:37. > :42:39.long-term solutions will be in relation to social care,

:42:40. > :42:44.particularly for the elderly. It's not right for a political party to

:42:45. > :42:48.call a snap election and then have a snap solution to social care which

:42:49. > :42:57.is pulled out of a hat by Theresa May and a couple of her advisers in

:42:58. > :42:59.Number Ten. Those who supported her plans at she was trying to come up

:43:00. > :43:02.with something sustainable instead of, as somebody suggested here,

:43:03. > :43:07.getting money from the magic monetary. I was a shadow social care

:43:08. > :43:11.minister and I remember after the election in 2010 going into Number

:43:12. > :43:15.Ten and we were supposed to be doing cross-party talks and we were

:43:16. > :43:19.serious about trying to come together as two political parties to

:43:20. > :43:26.find a solution and we got nothing but the runaround from the Tories.

:43:27. > :43:29.In the end they pulled out of those negotiations. The important thing is

:43:30. > :43:35.that for every pound spent in social care you save ten in terms of the

:43:36. > :43:38.NHS. We cannot have elderly people going into A in crisis because

:43:39. > :43:42.they have fallen over and there is not somebody looking after them, and

:43:43. > :43:51.then for them not to be able to go home because there are some support

:43:52. > :43:54.in their homes. Lord Newby, you cut money from social care, how has that

:43:55. > :44:01.contributed to the crisis we see today? I think the question we see

:44:02. > :44:06.today... This is the second time you have asked me a question about what

:44:07. > :44:11.happened when we were in coalition. I'm asking how much it has

:44:12. > :44:16.contributed to the crisis today. Undoubtedly the cuts in social care

:44:17. > :44:19.which we started have contributed to the problems we face today is the

:44:20. > :44:25.question is what we do about it. We have said we need to port a very

:44:26. > :44:34.specific tax proposal that funds social care and health, and that's

:44:35. > :44:36.why we are saying there should be a penny on income tax so that you can

:44:37. > :44:42.ring fenced money going into health and social care that is sustainable

:44:43. > :44:47.in the short term - the next Parliament - but thereafter you have

:44:48. > :44:53.dedicated social care tax. Everybody pays in, everybody benefits. Loudly,

:44:54. > :45:01.yes or no, Lib Dems are proposing 1p on income tax, is that something you

:45:02. > :45:07.would support? There were more yeses than noes. You certainly cannot have

:45:08. > :45:11.a solution without money, there may be other things you need to do but

:45:12. > :45:15.we need the money as well. Dominic Raab, what did you think of Theresa

:45:16. > :45:20.May's capitulation on the social care plan published in the manifesto

:45:21. > :45:26.and then she changed it a few days later? I wouldn't have characterised

:45:27. > :45:30.it as capitulation. How would you describe it? I do take the point the

:45:31. > :45:34.gentleman made about Alzheimer's and dementia. It is a massive burning

:45:35. > :45:39.social issue and what we have tried to do is grapple with the issue on

:45:40. > :45:46.three principles. If you can afford to contribute to your own care, that

:45:47. > :45:51.is important, but you will never on those assets or income come down

:45:52. > :45:53.below a level that you cannot give ?100,000 to your family, and a

:45:54. > :46:09.second safeguard is a cap on cost. We have said we will consult on

:46:10. > :46:13.that. Someone always pays for this. When people say the state should

:46:14. > :46:17.step in, it is taxpayers who will receive an increase in income tax. I

:46:18. > :46:22.respect the fact that the Liberal Democrats are trying to do that. But

:46:23. > :46:27.we are the only ones who have set out a financially solvent way of

:46:28. > :46:30.dealing with this. And Emily has spent her whole response to the

:46:31. > :46:35.gentleman's question not setting out what Labour's position is. That is

:46:36. > :46:46.why we get the brickbats on this. We have a costed manifesto. You have no

:46:47. > :46:48.costings in your manifesto. Where is the ?8 billion that you claim you

:46:49. > :46:58.will put into the National Health Service? Less just deal with what

:46:59. > :47:03.the IFS have said. Where will the ?8 billion come from for the NHS? We

:47:04. > :47:09.will have real term increases each year, rising to 8 billion in the

:47:10. > :47:21.last year. Wherefrom? Things like means testing the winter fuel

:47:22. > :47:26.payment... Where... We have set out a range of tough decisions. That is

:47:27. > :47:31.why we get stick about this. So the winter fuel allowance will pay for

:47:32. > :47:34.the 8 billion? You don't go into a Budget and hypothecated saving to

:47:35. > :47:40.the amount they goes in. But that is what you expect the other parties to

:47:41. > :47:45.do. I would expect that overall, you have a sensible package with public

:47:46. > :47:52.finances, you are trying to ease the burden on families. So some savings

:47:53. > :47:57.from the winter fuel payments. We would not be subsidising free school

:47:58. > :48:04.lunches for well off parents. We would rather the money went into the

:48:05. > :48:09.NHS. What about free school breakfasts? Does that add up to 8

:48:10. > :48:18.billion? You have to look at the savings in the round. We mentioned

:48:19. > :48:23.the IFS, the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies. They have

:48:24. > :48:27.suggested that your plans to raise ?49 billion in taxes, you have

:48:28. > :48:31.miscalculated. Having worked it all out, they think it will be 41

:48:32. > :48:35.billion. So there was a big shortfall there. So when you promise

:48:36. > :48:39.people tens of billions for the NHS and social care, you will not be

:48:40. > :48:46.able to raise that money. We have said to the IFS that they are being

:48:47. > :48:51.pessimistic about this. We think our measures will work and we are happy

:48:52. > :48:54.to talk to them about it. Within our manifesto, there is room for us

:48:55. > :49:01.having underestimated the amount that we might raise in taxation. We

:49:02. > :49:06.are happy to engage with them. And we would like the Office for Budget

:49:07. > :49:11.Responsibility, a government body, and we said this about our previous

:49:12. > :49:15.manifesto as well. There will always be fights about this. Let the OBR

:49:16. > :49:21.look at our manifesto. They have what you don't like what they came

:49:22. > :49:24.up with, so you dismiss it. , Well, the office of budget responsibility

:49:25. > :49:31.is given this as its job and we are happy to engage with them, but let

:49:32. > :49:34.them look at both manifestos. John Nicolson, nurses in Scotland have

:49:35. > :49:38.had a cap on their pay since 2008. Help is devolved. Why haven't you

:49:39. > :49:44.removed that cap by now and given them a pay rise? The Scottish

:49:45. > :49:51.Government has met the independent pay review bodies' recommendations.

:49:52. > :49:57.So they don't deserve a pay rise? They absolutely deserve a pay rise.

:49:58. > :50:03.So is that going to be in your manifesto? Let's see what is in the

:50:04. > :50:09.manifestos. As you know, MPs get into trouble if they leaked bits of

:50:10. > :50:15.the manifesto in advance. But nurses in Scotland get paid more than

:50:16. > :50:18.nurses in England. A nurse in Scotland told Nicola Sturgeon last

:50:19. > :50:26.week that she had to use food banks. Is that acceptable? Well... Of

:50:27. > :50:31.course nurses shouldn't go to food banks. That goes without saying. I

:50:32. > :50:42.don't know the details of that knows's case, so it is difficult to

:50:43. > :50:44.comment. But I felt we left that discussions without understanding

:50:45. > :50:51.from Dominic what the cap was going to be for people suffering from

:50:52. > :50:57.dementia. He said he would consult about the dementia tax, but I don't

:50:58. > :50:59.know what that means. For a lot of people who are scared about their

:51:00. > :51:03.assets and their future, they want facts when they enter the general

:51:04. > :51:06.election. These guys say they will negotiate a good Brexit deal for us,

:51:07. > :51:17.and they can't even give a simple answer to a simple question. We can.

:51:18. > :51:22.We said we want to consult what the cap should be. We want to listen to

:51:23. > :51:26.the experts in the field. After you have stopped listening? Why don't

:51:27. > :51:28.you do a bit of listening? The question is about the balance

:51:29. > :51:34.between what the taxpayer pays, which means taxes going up, or what

:51:35. > :51:43.individuals contribute. And that is a very sensitive issue. These are

:51:44. > :51:52.the principles. We have put more detail into our planned on any of

:51:53. > :51:57.the others have done. OK, I am going to hear from some more voters. I am

:51:58. > :52:01.a carer from West London and I think people should know what it is like.

:52:02. > :52:07.There are 6.5 million of us caring, unpaid. 800,000 of us get care's

:52:08. > :52:11.allowance. I care for my two adult children who have complete medical

:52:12. > :52:15.needs. I care 168 hours a week, through the night. I have two to

:52:16. > :52:21.three hours of broken sleep a night. That means I am earning 37p an hour.

:52:22. > :52:26.I have been in a four year war with social services. I have just had my

:52:27. > :52:29.assessment. They have got a incorrect four times and they are

:52:30. > :52:34.going to give me three hours were spiked a week, for which they tell

:52:35. > :52:39.me I can go to the cinema -- and ah about three hours of respite. So if

:52:40. > :52:44.I leave, get the bus to Richmond, what do I do, watch the adverts and

:52:45. > :52:48.then come home and do another half-hour handover? Is there a party

:52:49. > :52:57.that you think is going to help you and your family when it comes to

:52:58. > :53:00.this issue? Definitely Labour. And are you happy with where they say

:53:01. > :53:06.they are going to get the money from in order to pay the NHS? At least

:53:07. > :53:10.they are looking at carer's allowance and want to raise it to

:53:11. > :53:17.bring us up to an implement benefit. At the moment, we are paid less. --

:53:18. > :53:22.unemployment benefit. I am Andy from Dunstable. I am here with my wife. I

:53:23. > :53:26.have been with my wife 17 years and she suffers mental health problems.

:53:27. > :53:32.17 years ago, everything was working out all right. The hospitals dealt

:53:33. > :53:37.with it well. We had good staff. Now, it has deteriorated so much

:53:38. > :53:40.that the police have to arrest someone to take them to hospital.

:53:41. > :53:44.There is no way she can walk in and get help. We have to get the police

:53:45. > :53:50.round and get her committed to get help. That is shocking. I would pay

:53:51. > :54:03.more money to see that she gets looked after. Suzanne Evans from

:54:04. > :54:09.Ukip, you too are saying you would put more money into the NHS and

:54:10. > :54:17.social care, 11 billion by 2020, to be paid for how? Well, the money is

:54:18. > :54:23.there. Ukip has a 35 billion spending pot. Where have you got

:54:24. > :54:32.that from? We have that with output to get single penny on taxes. We

:54:33. > :54:37.scrap HS2, this viciously expensive vanity project. We will use the

:54:38. > :54:44.money we get when we leave the European Union in two years' time,

:54:45. > :54:49.with a bit of luck. We are going to cut the foreign aid budget so we are

:54:50. > :54:59.paying on a par with the United States of America, 0.2% instead of

:55:00. > :55:02.0.7%. That is ?11 billion that could help fund the NHS and social care.

:55:03. > :55:07.We have heard the stories around this room today of how desperate it

:55:08. > :55:12.is. Dementia was the first thing we talked about. We will have a

:55:13. > :55:15.national dementia plan which is desperately needed to get the

:55:16. > :55:19.expertise together. We will fund that the tune of ?400 million a

:55:20. > :55:25.year, so we get research and treatment on the best funding.

:55:26. > :55:31.Mental health - the woman behind me talked about how the mental health

:55:32. > :55:35.funding is not ringfenced. That is wrong. Clinical commissioning groups

:55:36. > :55:39.are using it to backfill cuts to other services. We have to invest

:55:40. > :55:44.more in mental health and give it the parity it deserves. Hello, I am

:55:45. > :55:53.Fiona from Aberdeen. I am a disability activist. You are all

:55:54. > :55:59.talking about numbers and money, and there is a notion of suffering under

:56:00. > :56:02.that. -- there is an ocean of suffering. Figures have been

:56:03. > :56:07.released saying that in 2015 alone in England and Wales alone, there

:56:08. > :56:13.were 30,000 excess deaths caused by cuts to health and social care. Tens

:56:14. > :56:22.of thousands of disabled and sick people are dying every year. There

:56:23. > :56:25.have been hundreds of suicides. I spent 48 hours after the last

:56:26. > :56:30.general election tried to talk people out of killing themselves.

:56:31. > :56:43.And I didn't always succeed. People are dying here, and nobody cares. I

:56:44. > :56:46.have friends who have been helping resettle disabled people in Scotland

:56:47. > :56:50.because at the very least, we have a Scottish parliament which is trying

:56:51. > :56:54.its best with limited funds to protect people against the worst of

:56:55. > :57:06.these cuts. People have been fleeing England for their lives. We have an

:57:07. > :57:12.NHS that is stretched, but it works. But with the work capability

:57:13. > :57:17.assessment, Napier university just released evidence about how it

:57:18. > :57:21.causes almost universal public meltdown. It kills people. I have

:57:22. > :57:27.friends who were institutionalised after going through it. It is an act

:57:28. > :57:32.of violence and we are dying. This election is life or death for us.

:57:33. > :57:39.Anybody who votes for the Conservative Party, who are going to

:57:40. > :57:49.keep going with these cuts, they are complicit in those deaths. Let the

:57:50. > :57:52.Conservatives' Dominic Raab respond. There are plenty of heart wringing

:57:53. > :57:57.stories here and nobody could be anything other than moved by them.

:57:58. > :58:00.Could you turn around? She is literally behind you. We have put

:58:01. > :58:07.more doctors and nurses into the NHS. We have got a renewed focus on

:58:08. > :58:11.mental health and trying to make sure we take the pressure off big

:58:12. > :58:21.hospitals in the manifesto. But the raw truth is that the money has to

:58:22. > :58:24.come from somewhere. I can think of lots of things I would like to avoid

:58:25. > :58:28.making difficult decisions on in lots of areas like the health

:58:29. > :58:31.service or schools and put more money in. But unless you have a

:58:32. > :58:36.strong economy creating the revenue, it is just a childish wish list. We

:58:37. > :58:42.are doing our best to get the balance right between responsible

:58:43. > :58:44.public finances... So you choose to sacrifice tens of thousands of

:58:45. > :58:50.disabled people for the sake of that? This is the sixth richest

:58:51. > :58:56.country in the world. It is a choice that people make in Scotland. We

:58:57. > :59:01.have a limited block grant and they still managed to create a health

:59:02. > :59:04.service which functions. They still create a care service which

:59:05. > :59:12.functions. You are choosing to sacrifice us. Why won't you scrap

:59:13. > :59:17.HS2 and give 5 billion to the NHS instead? It is not something anyone

:59:18. > :59:28.wants. It will only help you get to Leeds ten minutes quicker. It is

:59:29. > :59:32.very simple. And you give away money in foreign aid. Absolutely. Labour

:59:33. > :59:37.and the Lib Dems are complicit in that as well. The woman from

:59:38. > :59:44.Scotland raises an important point about disability. As an MP, you are

:59:45. > :59:47.often the last port of call for people to talk to you about their

:59:48. > :59:52.problems. I had a woman who came to see me who was living with dwarfism,

:59:53. > :59:57.and she had been assessed with zero disability points. They were taking

:59:58. > :00:01.away her car. She said, I can't get my lead from the subway car to the

:00:02. > :00:06.platform. I can't climb the escalator because I can't reach the

:00:07. > :00:11.handrail. If they take my car away, they will force me out of the

:00:12. > :00:14.workplace and I will be on benefits. That is the reality of the way some

:00:15. > :00:21.of these disability cuts are biting. It is immensely cruel.

:00:22. > :00:28.We are rich country. It is a question of what are our priorities.

:00:29. > :00:34.It seems to me we need to be able to raise more taxation from the richest

:00:35. > :00:38.who have done very well over the last few years, and what we are

:00:39. > :00:43.asking for in the Labour Party is those with the biggest shoulders to

:00:44. > :00:48.pay some more. We can still raise corporation tax and be the lowest

:00:49. > :00:52.rate of corporation tax in the G7, we can raise money and look after

:00:53. > :00:59.the most vulnerable. What kind of society are we that doesn't do that?

:01:00. > :01:04.Some messages from people watching around the UK... Allen on Twitter

:01:05. > :01:09.says my brother is disabled, he's terrified of further benefit cuts

:01:10. > :01:13.and the dementia tax. He's not terrified of the IRA. Ian says why

:01:14. > :01:17.should people be paying taxes for the whole of their life when in

:01:18. > :01:23.later life they need to sell the house for care? The Conservatives

:01:24. > :01:27.are the only party worth voting for, Labour under Jeremy Corbyn is

:01:28. > :01:32.failing to hold voters and going downhill fast. One more, social care

:01:33. > :01:37.isn't just about an ageing population says James on Twitter,

:01:38. > :01:40.it's also about giving people with disabilities independence and

:01:41. > :01:45.self-respect. Keep them coming in. In the next hour we will talk about

:01:46. > :01:53.Brexit, the economy, immigration and housing. Get in touch in the usual

:01:54. > :01:59.way. Now, the weather. I will bring you the latest on the bank holiday

:02:00. > :02:04.forecast shortly but first some cracking shots. These are some of

:02:05. > :02:08.the spectacular scenes we saw across parts of south-east England. Massive

:02:09. > :02:14.storms moved up through northern France overnight and pushed into the

:02:15. > :02:20.North Sea. We saw close to 120,000 lightning strikes in the space of 12

:02:21. > :02:26.hours from 6pm last night to 6am this morning. Here's those storms as

:02:27. > :02:30.they worked across the Channel. Many across the south saw a welcome drink

:02:31. > :02:35.of rain before the show was moved off. The best of the sunshine in

:02:36. > :02:40.East Anglia and the south-east, most fairly cloudy. We got outbreaks of

:02:41. > :02:44.rain at the moment, northern England into Northern Ireland, southern and

:02:45. > :02:49.western Scotland. These areas wettest throughout bank holiday

:02:50. > :02:53.Monday. But we will season breaks in the low cloud across parts of

:02:54. > :03:01.Sunderland and into the Moray Firth. If you get them, a bit of sunshine,

:03:02. > :03:05.up to maybe 18 degrees. Foremost across the eastern coast, cool and

:03:06. > :03:10.cloudy. Rain across northern England and northern Wales, but in the

:03:11. > :03:21.afternoon some of the showers could become heavy and thundery. We could

:03:22. > :03:25.see the cloud breaks lift the temperatures, 23 or 24, and across

:03:26. > :03:32.East Anglia we could see some storms to finish the day. Tonight, drier

:03:33. > :03:38.and quite. Still see some rain and drizzle mainly to the north of

:03:39. > :03:46.Scotland. It should not be a chilly start tomorrow morning, 10-13. There

:03:47. > :03:50.is a change on the way into Tuesday with rain across Northern Ireland

:03:51. > :03:54.through the breakfast period, that then works across parts of Scotland

:03:55. > :03:59.through the morning and early afternoon. A rumble of thunder here,

:04:00. > :04:05.the same too over northern England. Across the south-west much cloudier

:04:06. > :04:10.and brighter. Cooler elsewhere but it will feel very pleasant enough

:04:11. > :04:13.sunshine. As we go into Wednesday, a ridge of high pressure building so

:04:14. > :04:18.if you are in the half term break at the moment there is some good news,

:04:19. > :04:25.Wednesday and Thursday looking dry. Not quite as hot as the weekend but

:04:26. > :04:30.the sunshine overhead not as strong as it was.

:04:31. > :04:33.It's Monday, it's 10 o'clock - I'm Victoria Derbyshire and we're

:04:34. > :04:45.The head of the general election in ten days' time, you have been

:04:46. > :04:51.telling us who you trust most when it comes to national security.

:04:52. > :04:54.I don't think the guy that whats to cosy up with the terrorists

:04:55. > :04:56.if the guy to defence us against the terrorists.

:04:57. > :04:59.What really annoys me about the Tories and the Tory media,

:05:00. > :05:01.the day after Manchester, it was there, Corbyn has

:05:02. > :05:15.Ukip once more integration and a ban on the burqa. To cover your face and

:05:16. > :05:19.to be told to do that, that is anything but emancipation for

:05:20. > :05:25.women... If you are told to that I agree with you but many women out

:05:26. > :05:30.there choose to do that. The NHS and social care is an issue you have

:05:31. > :05:35.been saying will affect how you vote on June the 8th. I am glad Theresa

:05:36. > :05:38.May did a U-turn, but it's time you scrapped that policy altogether,

:05:39. > :05:44.went back to the drawing board and started again, talking to people who

:05:45. > :05:47.understand it. I think the policy is fair, protecting ?100,000 I cannot

:05:48. > :05:53.see what is unfair and I would like to see what the Labour Party would

:05:54. > :06:01.do. Throw magic beans at the problem, I don't know. We are the

:06:02. > :06:04.only ones who have set out a credible financially solvent way of

:06:05. > :06:09.dealing with this issue. Emily has spent her whole response to the

:06:10. > :06:24.gentleman's question not setting out Labour's position. We have costed

:06:25. > :06:27.manifesto... Emily... You have no costings in your manifesto

:06:28. > :06:33.whatsoever. Where is the ?8 billion you claim you will put into the NHS

:06:34. > :06:38.going to come from? You haven't even tried. We will talk about Brexit and

:06:39. > :06:42.housing with our audience and politicians, and you can get in

:06:43. > :06:58.touch this morning. Here are the details.

:06:59. > :07:25.We do need to know why you are Mr Dunstable. Isn't it obvious? What

:07:26. > :07:33.was that? I missed that. Two years ago I went up for Mr Bedfordshire, I

:07:34. > :07:38.got a call and applied, I have done charity stuff in the local area and

:07:39. > :07:50.I won it so I am now up for Mr England. Whoa! We have never had a

:07:51. > :07:54.Mr Dunstable on the programme and we are very happy. We will talk more

:07:55. > :07:58.about general election issues in the next hour, before that a summary of

:07:59. > :08:00.the news with Joanna. Thank you.

:08:01. > :08:03.The security service MI5 is to hold an inquiry into how it dealt

:08:04. > :08:05.with information from the public concerning the bomber.

:08:06. > :08:07.Authorities were warned about Salman Abedi's extremist views

:08:08. > :08:10.on at least three occasions but failed to stop him

:08:11. > :08:16.Police say they've arrested a 23-year-old man in the seaside

:08:17. > :08:18.town of Shoreham-by-Sea near Brighton in connection

:08:19. > :08:22.with last week's Manchester terror attack.

:08:23. > :08:25.It brings the total of people arrested over the attack to 16,

:08:26. > :08:35.A police guard remains in place at the address.

:08:36. > :08:36.Officers are also searching properties

:08:37. > :08:40.British Airways says it promises to run a full long-haul schedule

:08:41. > :08:42.at Heathrow today although some short haul services

:08:43. > :08:47.The company is facing paying out millions of pounds in compensation

:08:48. > :08:49.after the failure of its computer systems led to widespread

:08:50. > :08:53.disruption over the weekend, with over 1,000 flights cancelled.

:08:54. > :09:00.Customers have expressed frustration over a lack of information.

:09:01. > :09:03.More than 200 drivers a day have been caught using their mobile

:09:04. > :09:05.phones in the month after the law was changed to bring

:09:06. > :09:08.According to figures obtained by the Press Association,

:09:09. > :09:12.that's the equivalent of one offence every seven minutes.

:09:13. > :09:15.The penalty for using a phone while driving doubled to ?200

:09:16. > :09:27.New drivers now face losing their licence altogether.

:09:28. > :09:30.Police in County Down say a lone gunman was responsible for shooting

:09:31. > :09:32.a man dead in front of his young son in Bangor.

:09:33. > :09:34.The 35-year-old father was approached in the car park

:09:35. > :09:36.of a Sainsbury's supermarket and shot several times

:09:37. > :09:42.Officers have called it a cold-blooded murder.

:09:43. > :09:45.Japan has lodged a protest after North Korea fired a missile

:09:46. > :09:48.The Scud missile, which was launched from

:09:49. > :09:50.North Korea's eastern coast, travelled around 280 miles before

:09:51. > :10:15.crashing into the sea near the Japanese mainland.

:10:16. > :10:18.Steven Finn, Toby Roland Jones and Liam Dawson come into the side,

:10:19. > :10:22.with England already having wrapped up the series win.

:10:23. > :10:25.To tennis and Britain's Aljaz Bedene is under way in the first

:10:26. > :10:34.He's up against American Ryan Harrison.

:10:35. > :10:41.Huddersfield are looking for promotion to the Premier League, and

:10:42. > :10:46.much worth ?170 million to the winner. And a spectacular crash at

:10:47. > :10:53.the annual Indy 500 race in the US. Dixon elided with Howard at 178 mph.

:10:54. > :10:56.Luckily both drivers walked away with Dixon suffering a slight ankle

:10:57. > :11:18.injury. That's all Good morning, and welcome back to

:11:19. > :11:22.Dunstable. This morning we have talked about security, the NHS and

:11:23. > :11:27.social care. It is almost a year since the UK voted to leave the EU,

:11:28. > :11:31.setting off a chain of events which have led to this general election,

:11:32. > :11:44.and talk about Brexit dominated the early part of the campaign.

:11:45. > :11:47.We will leave the European Union, and take control of our money,

:11:48. > :11:51.take control of our borders, take control of our laws.

:11:52. > :11:53.Only Labour will negotiate a deal that preserves jobs,

:11:54. > :11:55.access the single market, and preserves rights and access,

:11:56. > :12:03.not plunge our country into a race to the bottom.

:12:04. > :12:06.In June last year, we voted for a departure, but we did not

:12:07. > :12:16.So I want you to have your choice over your future.

:12:17. > :12:19.My message to people in Scotland, whether you voted remain

:12:20. > :12:22.or to leave, is to vote SNP to strengthen our hand to get a deal

:12:23. > :12:30.that does not sacrifice Scottish jobs and the economy.

:12:31. > :12:32.Ukip goes into this snap election determined to hold the government's

:12:33. > :12:45.We will act as the government's backbone in these negotiations.

:12:46. > :12:48.We are pledging to put Wales at the heart of the negotiations

:12:49. > :12:51.to leave the European Union, so that the final deal reflects

:12:52. > :13:03.Our election manifesto will not only include a ratification referendum,

:13:04. > :13:06.but it will make very clear that one of the options on the ballot paper

:13:07. > :13:09.is precisely the option to remain in the EU,

:13:10. > :13:30.Is it? Let's hear from the voters today. Good morning. Hello, I am

:13:31. > :13:39.Wendy from Milton Keynes. We will be voting Ukip. I do feel that because

:13:40. > :13:43.there are 1 million people more immigration coming into the country

:13:44. > :13:52.every three to four years, the population growing so fast, they

:13:53. > :13:56.keep pushing the pension age up for everyone, and they keep saying it's

:13:57. > :14:00.because people are living longer but in actual fact I think the real

:14:01. > :14:07.reason is because of the out-of-control immigration into the

:14:08. > :14:11.country. Does Wendy have a point? Not to me she doesn't. The day after

:14:12. > :14:15.the Brexit vote I felt like I had been punched in the gut and 11

:14:16. > :14:22.months later I feel exactly the same. I am an immigrant, I have been

:14:23. > :14:26.living here for 27 years. Since then I have been told to go back to

:14:27. > :14:31.Dublin, I have been told you are not the kind of immigrant we want to get

:14:32. > :14:36.rid of. I'm not sure which was worse to be frank. I'm told I'm not

:14:37. > :14:39.committed enough to this country because I haven't taken British

:14:40. > :14:49.citizenship despite the fact I employed people. Wendy, is it all

:14:50. > :14:52.right if Liz stays in the UK? Of course, we want immigration but we

:14:53. > :14:59.need to keep control of it because, you know, we just... The country

:15:00. > :15:07.will run out of money in the end and we won't be able to... I'm doing my

:15:08. > :15:17.best to pay my taxes, Wendy, and I'm employing people who do that too.

:15:18. > :15:25.Brexit is happening whether you like it or not, Liz. I hope not, but I

:15:26. > :15:28.will vote Lib Dem. If the people who voted Brexit think they are so

:15:29. > :15:33.right, I don't understand why they are so scared of having a vote on

:15:34. > :15:46.the terms. Let's have a show of hands. Do you want a referendum on

:15:47. > :15:50.the final Brexit deal? Again, this is totally unscientific, but that is

:15:51. > :15:54.a majority. I know you are not all Lib Dem voters in this room. The

:15:55. > :16:06.audience is balanced, but that is interesting. Somebody said yes? You

:16:07. > :16:17.want a final say on the bike to deal? -- on the Brexit deal. Yes.

:16:18. > :16:20.That is the job of the politicians, but it should be backed by the

:16:21. > :16:36.people. And the vast majority of people should support it. Who

:16:37. > :16:38.doesn't want another vote? Yes. I campaigned for Brexit and I did so

:16:39. > :16:45.quite successfully in Stoke-on-Trent. I am a lawyer. The

:16:46. > :16:52.idea of Jeremy Corbyn negotiating a Brexit or engaging in Brexit fills

:16:53. > :17:02.people with terror. I think Theresa May is the right person to negotiate

:17:03. > :17:07.a Brexit. Also, she is the right person to say she has the courage to

:17:08. > :17:11.walk away. If you look at the Labour Party manifesto, they say they won't

:17:12. > :17:15.leave unless they got a good deal. That is giving in your best car

:17:16. > :17:22.before you have played it. After we saw the change of heart over her

:17:23. > :17:27.holding a general election, the change of heart over raising

:17:28. > :17:30.insurance for seven point people and the change of care over social

:17:31. > :17:33.policy that if Theresa May is leading the Brexit negotiations, if

:17:34. > :17:39.she comes under a bit of pressure, she might fold? I think Theresa

:17:40. > :17:44.May's primary concern, like the majority of the Conservative Party,

:17:45. > :17:47.is to do the right thing. Sometimes you have to test policies, but if

:17:48. > :17:57.you're wrong, it's important to have the courage to say so. And trim it.

:17:58. > :18:02.Not necessarily a U-turn. I am Jeff from Bedford. I have voted

:18:03. > :18:07.Conservative all my adult life and this is the first time I can't do

:18:08. > :18:11.it. Why? I can't stand Theresa May as a person. There is something

:18:12. > :18:15.about her I don't like. My question to the Conservative gentleman is,

:18:16. > :18:21.after calling the snap general election after we have started

:18:22. > :18:25.Brexit negotiations, realising that you can't get a good deal, have you

:18:26. > :18:30.called this snap general election and have you created a manifesto

:18:31. > :18:33.that is marginalising the people who would normally win your election to

:18:34. > :18:37.purposely lose this election so that you hand over Brexit to the Labour

:18:38. > :18:46.Party, who then have to deal with it? It is all too superficial. In

:18:47. > :18:53.terms of conspiracy theories, that is one mother! But in a few years'

:18:54. > :18:57.time, Labour will not have a good deal and the Tories will come back.

:18:58. > :18:59.Let me introduce the politicians. The audience is balanced to

:19:00. > :19:02.represent a fair proportion of people voting for each party as well

:19:03. > :19:08.as some undecided voters. Also with us is Dominic Raab, former justice

:19:09. > :19:11.minister for the Conservatives, Emily Thornberry for Labour on

:19:12. > :19:14.foreign affairs, Dick Newby, leader of the Liberal Democrat group in the

:19:15. > :19:18.House of Lords, Don Mickelson is the SNP spokesperson on culture, media

:19:19. > :19:27.and sport. Suzanne Evans is the deputy chair of Ukip and Will Moy is

:19:28. > :19:30.from Full Fact. Which is an independent fact checking charity.

:19:31. > :19:37.It is our job to pay attention to what everyone is saying and tweet

:19:38. > :19:40.when we have checked the facts. The Brexit Bill, there are all sorts of

:19:41. > :19:44.figures that Britain will apparently have to pay when it comes to leaving

:19:45. > :19:48.the European Union. What kind of figure might we be looking at? The

:19:49. > :19:54.figures we have heard have ranged from 20 billion to ?100 billion.

:19:55. > :19:59.They are all back of the envelope calculations at the moment. They

:20:00. > :20:02.would be worked out in a political negotiation between us and the rest

:20:03. > :20:06.of the EU. The logic underneath it is that the EU is committed to

:20:07. > :20:12.paying for things which the UK also signed up for when we were members.

:20:13. > :20:15.The argument is about how much of that is now our responsibility. The

:20:16. > :20:21.UK Government seems to expect that we are probably in for some of it,

:20:22. > :20:24.but how much is a political fight. Dick Newby for the Lib Dems, where

:20:25. > :20:31.would you find the money to pay our Brexit liabilities? Well, Brexit

:20:32. > :20:34.costs the country. We will be poorer as a country if we leave and if we

:20:35. > :20:39.left without a deal, it would be catastrophic for some sectors of our

:20:40. > :20:43.economy. So in this part of the world, Peugeot has a big plant. If

:20:44. > :20:51.we found ourselves without a deal and with tariffs on all the goods

:20:52. > :20:55.going back and forward making those vehicles, the impact would be

:20:56. > :21:01.disastrous. How would you pay our Brexit liabilities? Well, the Brexit

:21:02. > :21:08.liabilities, compared to the overall costs of Brexit, are relatively

:21:09. > :21:15.small part. But where would you get the money from? As we have

:21:16. > :21:20.discussed, we believe the chance of getting a deal which is better than

:21:21. > :21:25.our current position is as near zero as makes no difference. Therefore,

:21:26. > :21:31.the people should decide. You are not going to answer the question. If

:21:32. > :21:35.we get no deal, we revert to trading on World Trade Organisation terms.

:21:36. > :21:41.And if there are tariffs, that is a windfall to the Treasury of ?12

:21:42. > :21:45.billion. We would be quids in. You're assuming the economy would

:21:46. > :21:48.collapse. Even the Financial Times this week has had to report that

:21:49. > :21:52.investment into the UK has not fallen as a result of Brexit. This

:21:53. > :21:58.scaremongering must stop. People voted for Brexit and it is time the

:21:59. > :22:04.Lib Dems got behind it. It would mean a ?12 billion windfall to the

:22:05. > :22:10.Treasury. It could be 50 or 60 billion or 100 billion. Dominic

:22:11. > :22:16.Raab, where will the government get the money? If this was a legal

:22:17. > :22:23.liability, we would pay as we are a law-abiding nation. Theresa May says

:22:24. > :22:27.in her manifesto that the government would make a reasonable contribution

:22:28. > :22:31.and come to a fair settlement. This is an open political posturing

:22:32. > :22:34.exercised by the EU. Of course, there are mutual areas where we

:22:35. > :22:37.might want to contribute because their mutual interests. For example,

:22:38. > :22:43.in terms of dealing with the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean, or

:22:44. > :22:49.making sure we contribute to important law enforcement issues.

:22:50. > :22:53.But the bottom line is, someone said these Brexit negotiations will be

:22:54. > :22:57.crucial. They will affect how much revenue we have to put into public

:22:58. > :23:03.services and in just ten days' time, we have the choice between two

:23:04. > :23:06.people who will ultimately lead those negotiations. Imagine that

:23:07. > :23:10.negotiating room in Brussels. Jean-Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel

:23:11. > :23:15.are the, some tough cookies. Who do you want going in there to leave

:23:16. > :23:19.these negotiations, which are going to be tough, and take Britain

:23:20. > :23:29.forward? Donald Trump, somebody said! We can't hear you if you are

:23:30. > :23:32.not on the microphone. My name is Shahid Khan. I work for a global

:23:33. > :23:39.insurance company with offices across the continent, so I have some

:23:40. > :23:43.understanding of the implications of the UK leaving the EU. Dominic, as

:23:44. > :23:48.to your point about Theresa May, didn't Jean-Claude Juncker call her

:23:49. > :24:02.deluded not long ago? Let's not go down that path. He made all sorts of

:24:03. > :24:05.unsavoury remarks. And she said, I am not going to be bullied, and he

:24:06. > :24:13.apologised for those remarks. That is what you get with a tough leader.

:24:14. > :24:18.Sir, which party do you trust? I would prefer to have Keir Starmer

:24:19. > :24:26.leading the negotiations. He is the Labour shadow Brexit negotiator. Let

:24:27. > :24:31.me hear from Emily Thornberry. What is Labour's Brexit policy? Our

:24:32. > :24:33.policy is that we want to have the same economic benefits outside the

:24:34. > :24:43.European Union as we had within the European Union. We are leaving and

:24:44. > :24:49.we need to remain close. We have two priorities. The first priority of

:24:50. > :24:53.any government is the safety of its citizens, and the second is the

:24:54. > :24:57.economy. We are talking about people's living standards and jobs.

:24:58. > :25:03.Never devoted to be poorer and never devoted to lose their job, whether

:25:04. > :25:07.they voted to leave or remain. Those are our priorities. There is a lot

:25:08. > :25:17.of personal nonsense coming out of Dominic here, but you said it

:25:18. > :25:21.yourself that Theresa May has shown the Europeans that if you put

:25:22. > :25:24.pressure on her, she was way. But Jeremy Corbyn, whatever people say

:25:25. > :25:31.about him, they know he is a principled man. When he says he will

:25:32. > :25:36.do something, he will do it. Where would you get the money? It depends

:25:37. > :25:41.on the liabilities. We own a lot of infrastructure within the European

:25:42. > :25:49.Union, so we could set that off. The gentleman behind, you run a

:25:50. > :25:53.business. As a small business owner who sells within the Common Market,

:25:54. > :25:56.I must face the fact that the Conservatives' hard Brexit tariffs

:25:57. > :26:03.will make me uncompetitive and destroy my life's work creating

:26:04. > :26:07.employment and a growing business for a vote for Labour, on the other

:26:08. > :26:11.hand, with their request to pay a bit more tax, will mean that my

:26:12. > :26:16.effective total tax rate will go up to 90%, hardly an incentive to work

:26:17. > :26:20.16 hours a day with no holidays. From my despair, it was suggested to

:26:21. > :26:25.me that I transfer my business onto the continent, where my customers

:26:26. > :26:30.will still see us as competitive and I will pay a lot less tax. Can the

:26:31. > :26:34.politicians suggested reason why as a sane person, I should not follow

:26:35. > :26:43.my advice and transfer my business to the continent? Is this serious?

:26:44. > :26:47.Absolutely. I am now in the final stages. I have already become

:26:48. > :26:52.nonresident. As far as I am concerned, this will destroy my

:26:53. > :26:58.life's work, so I have no choice. How do you feel about leaving the

:26:59. > :27:04.UK? I have worked abroad many times. So with the deepest despair, because

:27:05. > :27:14.I am English and I want to be here, but I can't survive. John Nicolson

:27:15. > :27:20.from the SNP, having heard Michael's story, his plight, what would you

:27:21. > :27:23.say? I have spent a bit of time in Germany recently because I sit on

:27:24. > :27:28.the House of Commons select committee and reordering the Brexit

:27:29. > :27:34.report. The thing that senior German politicians say consistently is how

:27:35. > :27:37.chaotic the Conservative government ministers here are in terms of

:27:38. > :27:41.preparation. David Davis turned up to a House of Commons select

:27:42. > :27:46.committee and said he hadn't priced the cost of leaving for the UK. So I

:27:47. > :27:50.think we will get a very tough Brexit deal which will be terrible

:27:51. > :27:54.for the UK. And the reason Theresa May is holding this election now is

:27:55. > :27:58.because she wants a silenced opposition because she knows that

:27:59. > :28:01.when we know the details of Brexit, people are going to be furious. Let

:28:02. > :28:05.me have a quick word about immigration. Suzanne Evans, Ukip

:28:06. > :28:10.want to bring down net migration to zero over the next few years. When

:28:11. > :28:17.one person leaves, you will let one person in? That is not how it works.

:28:18. > :28:21.It is about balanced migration. It is about giving our country than to

:28:22. > :28:25.recover and our public services time to recover. Over a five-year period,

:28:26. > :28:30.we were hammered approximately the same number of people leaving the

:28:31. > :28:35.country, between 250000 and 300,000 a year, and the same coming in. So

:28:36. > :28:38.we will still invite to Britain up to 300,000 people a year. And we

:28:39. > :28:42.will choose the brightest and the best and the people with the skills

:28:43. > :28:45.we need and the people who contribute to the economy and can

:28:46. > :28:48.look after themselves. It is the kind of thing that Labour politician

:28:49. > :28:53.Frank Field has been talking about for years. But if Britain needs

:28:54. > :29:02.surgeons... Then we will bring insurgents. -- we will bring in the

:29:03. > :29:07.surgeons. So you will not have to allow someone to leave before you

:29:08. > :29:13.bring in foreign surgeons? What about fruit pickers? What about bar

:29:14. > :29:17.staff? These are jobs that British people can do. At the moment, there

:29:18. > :29:23.are not doing them because they are being undercut in terms of wages.

:29:24. > :29:29.That is nonsense. This country needs immigration. Particularly in

:29:30. > :29:37.Scotland, we have a population that has always welcomed immigrants. One

:29:38. > :29:44.of the advantages of Brexit for Scotland would be that we could set

:29:45. > :29:48.our own immigration policy. Let me ask. Dick Newby from the Lib Dems

:29:49. > :29:53.and Emily Thornberry from Labour, the latest net migration figures are

:29:54. > :29:58.240 8000. Is that about the right level for you? I don't think the

:29:59. > :30:02.target is the point. The point is what the economy needs, and the

:30:03. > :30:06.economy needs doctors, nurses, people working in the horticultural

:30:07. > :30:11.sector. So it could be more or less than that depending on the economy.

:30:12. > :30:18.Emily Thornberry of Labour, 248,000, is that the right level for you? I

:30:19. > :30:20.think the country is fed up with politicians putting forward

:30:21. > :30:24.arbitrary targets and then failing to reach them. They are fed up with

:30:25. > :30:29.being lied to about this. We are leaving the European Union. We will

:30:30. > :30:32.need fair rules and managed migration. We have to balance the

:30:33. > :30:35.needs of our economy with the needs of our communities. Of course we

:30:36. > :30:41.need to have immigration. Of course we need to have fair rules.

:30:42. > :30:52.Dominic Raab, which Europeans are you going to turn away to bring down

:30:53. > :30:58.the migration to tens of thousands? No single nation. In the last year

:30:59. > :31:03.we have seen migration come down by 25%, we are starting to get a grip

:31:04. > :31:07.on it but Brexit creates the right opportunity for controlled

:31:08. > :31:12.migration. There is a huge area between open-door immigration which

:31:13. > :31:17.we had under the Labour Party, and closed door migration. Stop that,

:31:18. > :31:22.I'm not going to let you make things up. We need flexible, sensible visa

:31:23. > :31:27.arrangements so we get the workers we need. What we are not going to

:31:28. > :31:32.bring in is wholesale, cheap labour. That is the balance. What doesn't

:31:33. > :31:37.make sense to some people is that you've always been able to control

:31:38. > :31:41.immigration from outside the European Union but that's not down

:31:42. > :31:46.to the tens of thousands either. Maybe you cannot do it? We have

:31:47. > :31:53.already got in the last year alone net migration down by 25%. We are

:31:54. > :31:58.introducing stricter access to housing and the NHS. Brexit creates

:31:59. > :32:07.a huge opportunity, not just because of the volume coming from the EU but

:32:08. > :32:17.also because of the rules. Let me bring you Will Moy from Full Fact.

:32:18. > :32:21.Picking up the point Wendy made about the pension age. People who

:32:22. > :32:25.immigrate tend to be young so they are probably not the ones

:32:26. > :32:29.responsible for why the pension age is going up. You often get

:32:30. > :32:33.immigrants coming in after they have received their education, working

:32:34. > :32:41.and then going home as it were to be older. And much less likely to apply

:32:42. > :32:46.for benefits than people born in this country. This is where it gets

:32:47. > :32:49.more complicated. There have been lots of studies and there is no

:32:50. > :32:56.simple answer to that, it is hard to measure. Most say the overall impact

:32:57. > :33:01.on finances is small, probably around a penny in the pound, and

:33:02. > :33:06.it's good for the economy, we probably end up with slightly more

:33:07. > :33:11.money than the Government spends. I am a GP. Your biggest risk is not

:33:12. > :33:15.immigration it is actually emigration, doctors and nurses are

:33:16. > :33:26.leaving the UK to go to other countries. I am from west London.

:33:27. > :33:29.Picking up on one of Dominic Raab's points, the opportunity for visas

:33:30. > :33:36.also allows for the opportunity to control people coming in and out.

:33:37. > :33:40.Also safeguarding people as a mechanism for exploitation, because

:33:41. > :33:46.I see myself in London walking around, I often wonder if there are

:33:47. > :33:50.quite a few people who are falling through the gaps of society. I think

:33:51. > :33:56.that is something opening up the debate and it's a worthwhile point.

:33:57. > :34:01.Gentleman over here. My name is Taylor and I'm a student at

:34:02. > :34:05.Edinburgh. The Lib Dems want to have another referendum on the EU but I

:34:06. > :34:08.think we should have another referendum on independence because

:34:09. > :34:13.Scotland has obviously decided it wants to go down a different path to

:34:14. > :34:15.the rest of the UK and I think it is our democratic right that we have

:34:16. > :34:21.that choice to make a decision whether we choose to go down the

:34:22. > :34:25.anti-immigration isolationist past or open ourselves up to the world

:34:26. > :34:29.because they are our closest friends and we need to work with them to

:34:30. > :34:39.create peace and prosperity in this world. Thank you. Let's talk more

:34:40. > :34:42.broadly about the economy in the UK. I am a British Palestinian, a

:34:43. > :34:50.small-business owner in Luton. I want to take up the the Tories have

:34:51. > :34:53.been using the things about Brexit and just isolating it from

:34:54. > :35:00.everything else in the economy. The real fact is when you vote in this

:35:01. > :35:06.election and you are thinking about Brexit, you have to relate it to how

:35:07. > :35:13.this country will be. Do we want our NHS funded? Do we want schools to

:35:14. > :35:18.teach our children? Do we want a system where we are going downhill?

:35:19. > :35:22.In the 1920s, Roosevelt introduced a new deal. They didn't have money

:35:23. > :35:27.because they were in a worse state than our country in the 20s, but

:35:28. > :35:32.they invested and the Tories are going on a downward spiral. So would

:35:33. > :35:43.you be happy to see for example Labour are promising to borrow ?250

:35:44. > :35:46.billion over a decade to invest in infrastructure, you would be happy

:35:47. > :35:49.to see that added to the borrowing because you think it is a price

:35:50. > :35:53.worth paying? The price you pay for growth in the economy is having

:35:54. > :35:58.better wages, better investment, having the money to finance schools.

:35:59. > :36:05.Emily, how much would the economy grow if you invested 250 billion

:36:06. > :36:09.pounds over a decade? That is hypothetical, I cannot tell you, but

:36:10. > :36:17.I can tell you austerity is not working. Did you just... 250 billion

:36:18. > :36:25.plucked out of the air? We have to have another way. Whites 250

:36:26. > :36:29.billion? There must have been some kind of modelling. Of course, we

:36:30. > :36:35.looked at where we need to invest in particular, and we said we would

:36:36. > :36:38.have a fiscal rule book looked at by the Office for Budget Responsibility

:36:39. > :36:42.and make sure when we are investing in the economy that is resulting in

:36:43. > :36:47.growth so that we could cut back on our debt. And over the period of

:36:48. > :36:51.parliament we would start cutting back on the deficit too. In the end

:36:52. > :36:58.there has to be another way than this. We cannot just carry on with

:36:59. > :37:04.this decline. Thank you. Dominic Raab, what is the current national

:37:05. > :37:10.debt? I tend to think in terms of the deficit. Off the top of my head

:37:11. > :37:18.I'm not sure. It is 1.7 trillion. What was it when the Conservatives

:37:19. > :37:24.came to power in 2010? I don't know. It was 1 trillion. Are you shocked

:37:25. > :37:29.that after seven years of the Conservative government you have

:37:30. > :37:37.added ?700 billion to the country's debt plan? Luck can I answer your

:37:38. > :37:41.question or are you just going to carry me? Until you control the

:37:42. > :37:49.deficit you will not get the debt coming down. We understand that. I'm

:37:50. > :37:58.not sure everyone knows how this works. You may. We have got the

:37:59. > :38:05.deficit down. Three million new jobs created since 2010, and income

:38:06. > :38:13.equality is lower than it was in 2010 so all of this pessimism about

:38:14. > :38:17.going to help in a handcart... We have had an uptake in inflation but

:38:18. > :38:22.the Bank of England expect it to come down next year so we have made

:38:23. > :38:28.huge progress. The deficit will be paid off by next year, did you say?

:38:29. > :38:35.No, I said debt starts to come down from this year, from next year. No,

:38:36. > :38:44.it is projected to go up. The deficit has come down 252 billion.

:38:45. > :38:52.We inherited the worst budget deficit. Do not go backwards at this

:38:53. > :39:01.election. Go forwards. That's nonsense. That's very childish.

:39:02. > :39:04.Excuse me. The last administration, the last Labour Administration,

:39:05. > :39:10.wasn't it the Chancellor left a note on the table saying "No money left"?

:39:11. > :39:14.We have got to have somebody who knows how to balance the

:39:15. > :39:21.cheque-books and also I get it, we have got to have investments, we

:39:22. > :39:27.have also got to know where we are spending money that will make us

:39:28. > :39:35.money at not just spend it without having any return. Good morning. We

:39:36. > :39:40.cannot hear you if you don't have a microphone. I am Marion, I'm

:39:41. > :39:47.retired, I am chief childminder to the family. I want to say, if things

:39:48. > :39:54.are improving so much under the Tories, why are so many people using

:39:55. > :40:06.food banks? APPLAUSE Do you want to respond to that? Like you said about

:40:07. > :40:11.food banks, also like you said, you are the main child carer, this is

:40:12. > :40:14.what people have to do. If it weren't for our parents, like my

:40:15. > :40:22.children's grandparents, we wouldn't be surviving. If it wasn't for their

:40:23. > :40:33.help, you know, you look after your kids' kids, so you are, you know...

:40:34. > :40:37.This is... Some people think life is really tough under the

:40:38. > :40:44.Conservatives. In terms of the food bank issue, I have studied the data

:40:45. > :40:48.and the typical user of a food bank is someone who has a cash flow

:40:49. > :41:01.problem, not languishing in poverty. That is what the Trussell Trust

:41:02. > :41:05.says. The Trussell Trust would be outraged by you saying that. A lot

:41:06. > :41:08.of people are feeling the pinch so we have taken 4 million of the

:41:09. > :41:14.lowest paid out of income tax altogether. We have introduced the

:41:15. > :41:17.national living wage, and we are trying to make sure we have got the

:41:18. > :41:25.economy that creates the jobs and wages and make sure people keep more

:41:26. > :41:29.of the money. You are telling the country on this programme that the

:41:30. > :41:35.Trussell Trust, who deal with poverty, told you personally that

:41:36. > :41:40.the problem with food banks wasn't people on the bread line but people

:41:41. > :41:46.having cash flow problems? I'm dying to hear from them when they hear you

:41:47. > :41:49.have said that. They keep data that they update quarterly and annual

:41:50. > :41:58.leave on the reason people are coming to the food banks and that is

:41:59. > :42:02.what I am siting. Enough! People are using food banks because their

:42:03. > :42:08.salaries haven't increased. People are not able to save any money,

:42:09. > :42:13.people are in crisis. People who are on low wages and benefits, having to

:42:14. > :42:21.use food banks, do you think anybody in this country should have to use a

:42:22. > :42:24.food bank? We are the sixth richest country in the world, it is a

:42:25. > :42:30.disgrace anybody has to go to a food bank and use it there trying to

:42:31. > :42:34.convince people why people are having to use them. I can hear Emily

:42:35. > :42:42.Thornberry agreeing with the lady who has spoken now, but the IFS have

:42:43. > :42:50.pointed out that if Labour were to win 40% of households would suffer a

:42:51. > :42:55.significant cut to the income because of a cut on benefits you

:42:56. > :43:03.would not reverse. Those people who are in work and getting benefits as

:43:04. > :43:06.well will get a pay rise. We have got ?2 billion each year over the

:43:07. > :43:19.five-year period. Are you lifting the freeze...? I am trying to answer

:43:20. > :43:22.you, Victoria. Are you going to reverse the Conservative cuts? We

:43:23. > :43:28.have money set aside to reform the benefits system and make sure we

:43:29. > :43:32.stop cuts like we have talked about specifically, the bedroom tax, the

:43:33. > :43:36.benefits cup, and the reason we have set this money aside this because we

:43:37. > :43:41.need to look again at the benefits system and the unfairness that we

:43:42. > :43:45.have heard spoken about today. Nurses should not be going to food

:43:46. > :43:49.banks, people should not need to rely on food banks. We are one of

:43:50. > :43:58.the richest economies in the world, this is not right. Will Moy from

:43:59. > :44:01.Full Fact, what about the figures of people using food banks and the

:44:02. > :44:07.potential relation to those on benefits and who have been

:44:08. > :44:11.sanctioned? It is very hard to say in broad terms exactly why people

:44:12. > :44:21.are using food banks, obviously it's because they need food at the

:44:22. > :44:26.simplest level. There are about 1.2 incidents of people using them this

:44:27. > :44:32.year. In areas where benefit sanctions go up, food bank use goes

:44:33. > :44:36.up, when benefit sanctions go down food bank use goes down. That's not

:44:37. > :44:42.to say it is all about benefit sanctions. We do have good evidence

:44:43. > :44:47.that is part of the picture. The IFS when it looked at the facts Labour

:44:48. > :44:54.would still mean the poorest 30% of households would suffer a

:44:55. > :44:59.significant hit to their incomes, they sent with the benefits freeze,

:45:00. > :45:06.cuts to child credits, 3 million working families will be ?2500 a

:45:07. > :45:10.year worse off. How is that helping beat just about managing? We have

:45:11. > :45:14.had to make difficult decisions but you have got to take into account

:45:15. > :45:20.the dynamic affect on the economy of making sure you are firing on all

:45:21. > :45:22.cylinders, creating jobs, improving productivity, and then letting

:45:23. > :45:27.people keep more of their own money either through the national living

:45:28. > :45:33.wage or the extension of the income tax personal allowance. We have seen

:45:34. > :45:37.huge progress since 2010 but I don't pretend there aren't difficult

:45:38. > :45:41.decisions. If you go to this childish wish list Jeremy Corbyn has

:45:42. > :45:44.put out which is not funded, we will go back to the parent state of the

:45:45. > :45:53.public finances in 2010, even worse. Is there anybody here who is not

:45:54. > :45:59.going to vote in the general election in ten days' time? A

:46:00. > :46:13.gentleman here. Not many. Hi, good morning. Can I speak? All of this

:46:14. > :46:18.comes down to money. We are squandering our money by giving it

:46:19. > :46:24.to foreign aid and Nasa. Are you going to vote? I don't know whether

:46:25. > :46:29.I am going to vote, because it seems to me that no matter what party is

:46:30. > :46:35.in government, they are squandering money left, right and centre. They

:46:36. > :46:38.always have done. We are the only party going into this election that

:46:39. > :46:45.work at the foreign aid budget and promise not to put a single penny on

:46:46. > :46:52.that. The gentleman here is going to explain why he is not going to vote.

:46:53. > :46:59.This is what I'm talking about. It seems like no one here is

:47:00. > :47:03.encouraging me to trust what they are saying. All of you are bringing

:47:04. > :47:08.up some valid points, I guess, but from my perspective, it's all about

:47:09. > :47:13.who I think I can trust with the country. If I'm honest, Jeremy

:47:14. > :47:16.Corbyn seems like a nice guy with some good things he wants to put in

:47:17. > :47:21.place. And other parties have good things to put in place. But whether

:47:22. > :47:32.it will really affect me personally, I don't know. I am not convinced by

:47:33. > :47:38.anyone. And overhear? If you haven't got a microphone, don't interrupt. I

:47:39. > :47:41.was originally thinking of possibly lending my vote to Theresa May this

:47:42. > :47:45.time because of Brexit, but unfortunately because of the social

:47:46. > :47:49.care things and her small coterie of people around her who brought out

:47:50. > :47:56.this manifesto, I am so disillusioned now that I may decide

:47:57. > :48:01.to vote for none of the above. Ladies and gentlemen, can I

:48:02. > :48:11.introduce you to Helen Pankhurst, the great granddaughter of Emmeline

:48:12. > :48:13.Pankhurst? As you know, she's the granddaughter of Sylvia Pankhurst,

:48:14. > :48:17.leading light of the British suffragette movement. Hello,

:48:18. > :48:22.everybody, thank you for being here and thank you for this discussion.

:48:23. > :48:27.These are such difficult issues and so emotive, but I think the is not

:48:28. > :48:32.to not vote, for all the reasons that I represent and with that

:48:33. > :48:37.positive response you had, which is an epitome of why we need to value

:48:38. > :48:41.how difficult it has been to get here. We are holding that baton at

:48:42. > :48:48.the moment and we need to hand it onto the next generation. We can't

:48:49. > :48:53.just say it too complicated. As individuals right now, it is a bit

:48:54. > :48:56.like being in a jigsaw puzzle where everything has been strewn out there

:48:57. > :49:01.and we are individual bits of that puzzle. We either don't form a

:49:02. > :49:06.collective, we don't form part of the democracy, or our little colour,

:49:07. > :49:10.our little values all slot in. And maybe we don't like the overall

:49:11. > :49:16.picture, but our little voice in there is there. It's counted, it's

:49:17. > :49:19.measured. So please, for the sake of the past, for the sake of the

:49:20. > :49:23.present, for the sake of the future generations and for being part of

:49:24. > :49:26.that collective, at one moment when we are asked to really be part of

:49:27. > :49:48.our democracy, vote. I personally feel like either way,

:49:49. > :49:52.it's a the dice. -- it is a roll of the dice. It is particularly

:49:53. > :49:57.important that young people should vote. One of the great things about

:49:58. > :50:02.the independence referendum that we had in Scotland was that whatever

:50:03. > :50:06.side you went for in the end, we got a huge amount of voter registration.

:50:07. > :50:12.Young people are motivated like never before. In my constituency,

:50:13. > :50:22.91% of people voted. That is democracy in action. How does Andrea

:50:23. > :50:26.respond to Helen Pankhurst? Firstly, where I am in harbour none with a

:50:27. > :50:30.Conservative MP, it is difficult if you want to vote elsewhere -- I am

:50:31. > :50:34.in Harpenden. In the referendum, your vote counted for something. I

:50:35. > :50:38.hope one day, I can vote for a government of unity. I don't know

:50:39. > :50:41.how bad things will get, but everybody has good points and I

:50:42. > :50:45.would like to be able to vote for a government where we can really make

:50:46. > :50:53.a change and really tackle problems. Can I respond to that? I think that

:50:54. > :50:58.firstly, the points that have come out here about there being too much

:50:59. > :51:03.point-scoring and not enough collaboration. ? Megabus is exactly

:51:04. > :51:10.what I am trying to say. That is exactly what these parties need to

:51:11. > :51:12.listen to. Down the line, these decisions affect all of us and I

:51:13. > :51:17.think Parliament is at its strongest and most effective when we talk

:51:18. > :51:23.across our geographical and political differences. I also think

:51:24. > :51:27.it is the people who are least empowered who are least likely to

:51:28. > :51:32.vote, and I think that perpetuate a cycle that is problematic. If you

:51:33. > :51:38.feel passionately that your vote doesn't count, then look at things

:51:39. > :51:41.like the Greens not losing their deposit. Gender issues, making sure

:51:42. > :51:47.we have gender representation, making sure we do things other than

:51:48. > :51:50.the one collective moment. Even having your voice at events like

:51:51. > :51:59.this is powerful. Please, please vote. OK. We haven't got long left.

:52:00. > :52:02.We are going to talk about housing in the minutes we have left.

:52:03. > :52:05.The cost of buying a house in the UK has never been higher -

:52:06. > :52:08.and so many of you feel priced out of the market.

:52:09. > :52:10.It's estimated we need to build an extra 300,000 homes each

:52:11. > :52:12.year in England alone to satisfy demand.

:52:13. > :52:14.So what are the parties promising to do about it?

:52:15. > :52:19.All the parties are promising to build more houses, as parties do

:52:20. > :52:22.before a general election. But the Conservatives and Labour have failed

:52:23. > :52:27.to meet their own targets in the past once they got into power. Some

:52:28. > :52:31.quick views about housing around the room? I am Rosanna Campbell from

:52:32. > :52:35.Edinburgh. I am 18 and housing means a lot to me. I became homeless when

:52:36. > :52:41.I was 16, due to difficult circumstances. I found it really

:52:42. > :52:45.difficult to get a house. I am now 18 and I have still not got my

:52:46. > :52:49.permanent house, but I will get it this year. But I have witnessed

:52:50. > :52:53.friends of mine who were younger than me and have not had any to

:52:54. > :52:58.stay. They have been on the street. They have not got anyone to look

:52:59. > :53:02.after them. What I want to ask you guys is, as a party, do you think

:53:03. > :53:07.that is fair? Would you allow your children to be on the street and not

:53:08. > :53:21.have anybody to support them? Let me get a snapshot. Go for it. Like I

:53:22. > :53:32.said about affordable housing, a lot of it seems to be for investors

:53:33. > :53:37.bringing in people. In Luton, we sold off a building to Milton Keynes

:53:38. > :53:42.for their homeless. We are still got the same housing problem, so the

:53:43. > :53:52.numbers don't come down there. Also, building on green land is an issue.

:53:53. > :53:57.Let me hear from the guy behind you. I am a student in London and the

:53:58. > :53:59.problem is with landlords. I feel they are buying more and more

:54:00. > :54:03.properties and becoming richer and richer at our expense. It is making

:54:04. > :54:09.it so hard for any student to ever be able to buy a house. It is a huge

:54:10. > :54:14.issue. I see figure saying you will be 40 before you own a house. I am

:54:15. > :54:19.20 now. That is double my age and I am worried about coming out of uni

:54:20. > :54:23.with huge debt. What will I be able to do? Let's hear what politicians

:54:24. > :54:32.are promising when it comes to building more houses. 30 seconds

:54:33. > :54:36.each, Dick Newby of the Lib Dems. For young people, there are a number

:54:37. > :54:40.of things that need to be done to make sure they are not homeless in

:54:41. > :54:46.the way that Roseanne says. We need to restore housing benefit for 18 to

:54:47. > :54:51.21-year-olds. And the state needs to give a loan to young people to have

:54:52. > :54:55.a deposit for their first flat. Ukip say 100,000 new homes a year but

:54:56. > :54:59.only for younger people? Young people need to be ever to get on the

:55:00. > :55:05.housing ladder. Up to the age of 40, you are fine. You have 20 years. We

:55:06. > :55:11.can provide up to 100,000 new homes a year that will cost less than

:55:12. > :55:14.?100,000. There will be affordable. They are modular homes and they can

:55:15. > :55:17.be built quickly on brown field sites where it is clear to

:55:18. > :55:20.infrastructure, and we can also take the ?1 billion we will get back from

:55:21. > :55:23.the European regional development fund to create factories to train

:55:24. > :55:28.people to build these homes where the jobs are needed and then build

:55:29. > :55:31.them where homes are needed. Emily Thornberry, Labour say 1 million

:55:32. > :55:39.homes over the next five years. 2 million homes were built under 13

:55:40. > :55:43.years of Labour. What will be different this time thes we mean

:55:44. > :55:48.this. We have a manifesto that has been costed and we mean to build 1

:55:49. > :55:51.million homes over five years, with 100,000 of those being affordable

:55:52. > :55:54.homes to buy or rent. We have listened to the younger generation.

:55:55. > :55:58.We are going to do something about rent controls so that people are not

:55:59. > :56:03.exploited, and we will help young people coming out of university

:56:04. > :56:11.because we see no reason why they should be up to their eyeballs in

:56:12. > :56:14.debt. They should have a chance to set up their own families and not

:56:15. > :56:21.have to wait until they are 40. If you are renting until you are 40,

:56:22. > :56:24.when were you set up a family home? We have built thousands of

:56:25. > :56:28.affordable homes since 2010. We want to build another 400000 by 20 20. We

:56:29. > :56:35.want to support the councils and housing associations to build more

:56:36. > :56:43.homes both for rent... You have no figures. Anyone can look at our

:56:44. > :56:47.plant in the detail online. My parents were our first generation to

:56:48. > :56:51.own a house. They only rented before that. I know how important this is.

:56:52. > :56:57.One of the great tragedies was the right to buy scheme and what

:56:58. > :57:02.happened to the cash. Both Labour, sadly, and the Conservatives failed

:57:03. > :57:06.to invest that money and that was an enormous missed opportunity. It has

:57:07. > :57:09.created the tragedy we now see, with people like this guy unable to buy

:57:10. > :57:15.his own home. We need more social housing. Will Moy from full facts,

:57:16. > :57:21.do you know how many houses we need to build per year to keep up with

:57:22. > :57:27.demand? The best estimate we have is between 240000 and 250,000 a year. I

:57:28. > :57:30.am so sorry, we haven't got any more time. Daniel on Twitter says the

:57:31. > :57:35.Conservatives and Ukip will deliver the Brexit that was promised. We

:57:36. > :57:39.will be completely out of the EU. Labour want half in, half out.

:57:40. > :57:43.Barbara on Facebook says yes, the public should get a vote on the

:57:44. > :57:46.final Brexit deal. Never trust a Conservative. They will make sure

:57:47. > :57:53.their millionaire chums will be all right before the public. Graham on

:57:54. > :57:57.Twitter says Labour left us skint seven years ago and with their

:57:58. > :58:02.policies, they left the Conservatives to pick up the pieces.

:58:03. > :58:07.Expect the same again. Another on Twitter says Labour care about the

:58:08. > :58:11.many, while the Tories care about the rich and big business. Ladies

:58:12. > :58:17.and gentlemen, thank you very much. Give yourselves a round of applause.

:58:18. > :58:26.Thank you for your time. We are back tomorrow. Do join us then.