31/05/2017

:00:07. > :00:09.Hello, it's Wednesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:10. > :00:20.A breast surgeon accused of playing God and carrying out unnecessary

:00:21. > :00:21.operations on patients is due to be sentenced at Nottingham Crown Court

:00:22. > :00:24.this morning. Paterson exploited me

:00:25. > :00:31.as a person for his own ends. There were hundreds of female

:00:32. > :00:34.victims. We'll be hearing from some

:00:35. > :00:36.of his other victims later. Also on the programme -

:00:37. > :00:38.the latest in our election On the picket line with banners,

:00:39. > :00:49.it's just not me, sorry! . And Wiltshire Police say they're

:00:50. > :00:52.hunting a "dangerous" prisoner - believed to be armed with a razor

:00:53. > :00:55.blade - who escaped from hospital Welcome to the programme,

:00:56. > :01:08.we're live until 11am. Any minute now Labour leader

:01:09. > :01:11.Jeremy Corbyn is due to give a speech in London focussing

:01:12. > :01:14.on the NHS and education - And a little later in the programme

:01:15. > :01:22.we'll talk about a rise in bullying for online gamers -

:01:23. > :01:25.if you've got expereince do get in touch - use the hashtag

:01:26. > :01:29.#VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

:01:30. > :01:34.at the standard network rate. Our top story today,

:01:35. > :01:36.police say a "dangerous" prisoner, believed to be armed with a razor

:01:37. > :01:42.blade, is on the run after escaping Michal Kisiel, who's 30,

:01:43. > :01:45.had been taken to hospital in Salisbury with a head injury

:01:46. > :01:47.before fleeing from guards Police are warning the public

:01:48. > :01:56.not to approach him. Greg Dawson is here

:01:57. > :02:06.with more details. What happened? Last night Michal

:02:07. > :02:09.Kisiel was found in his cell at HMP Erlestoke prison. They decided he

:02:10. > :02:17.needed hospital treatment so he was taken to a hospital in Salisbury.

:02:18. > :02:21.Police say they believe he overpowered two prison guards and he

:02:22. > :02:25.escaped with a razor blade. They are concerned he is dangerous and they

:02:26. > :02:30.are warning the public to stay away from him. If they see him to call

:02:31. > :02:38.999. We have a fuse still images, they say he's around five or six

:02:39. > :02:43.with noticeable tattoos on his neck. He was wearing grey tracksuit

:02:44. > :02:47.bottoms, a blue T-shirt and trainers. The most noticeable thing

:02:48. > :02:51.is he had a head injury. Police say he is not local to the area, he

:02:52. > :02:55.doesn't have any money or a phone, so there is a possibility he will be

:02:56. > :02:59.spotted by members of the public. Why was he in prison? He was

:03:00. > :03:03.sentenced last year after he held a mother and teenage daughter at

:03:04. > :03:08.knife-point in their own home and threatened them. He was sentenced to

:03:09. > :03:12.five years at HMP Erlestoke. Police are concerned he might encounter a

:03:13. > :03:18.member of the public so if anyone does see him, dial 999 and don't

:03:19. > :03:28.approach in. Thank you. Now the rest of the morning's news. A huge car

:03:29. > :03:32.bomb in Coble has killed at least 80 people and killed 350. It happened

:03:33. > :03:46.in the diplomatic quarter of the city -- Kabul. Our correspondent is

:03:47. > :03:53.at the scene and sent this report. This is the scene of today's attack

:03:54. > :03:58.here in Kabul the Afghan capital. Police have cordoned off this area.

:03:59. > :04:08.Nobody is allowed to go further than this. But, as you can hear,

:04:09. > :04:13.ambulances and police troops are arriving to the scene, some are

:04:14. > :04:23.leaving the scene. They are taking some injured people. SIRENS. You can

:04:24. > :04:33.see this vehicle has taken people who are hurt. It is a chaotic scene.

:04:34. > :04:42.It was a massive, massive blast. People tell me they haven't seen

:04:43. > :04:52.anything like this in many years. As you can see, all the windows and

:04:53. > :04:58.some doors are shattered. Nobody has yet taken responsibility for the

:04:59. > :05:04.attack. But in spite of several demands from the international

:05:05. > :05:08.community, the insurgents and the Taliban have not said yes to stop

:05:09. > :05:12.violence in the holy month of Ramadan.

:05:13. > :05:14.A 30-year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,

:05:15. > :05:17.after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered

:05:18. > :05:21.The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of a fuel leak

:05:22. > :05:25.Police say they're not looking for anyone else.

:05:26. > :05:28.The NHS could have to raise an extra half a billion pounds a year,

:05:29. > :05:31.if British pensioners living in other EU countries have to return

:05:32. > :05:34.That's the warning from a health charity this morning.

:05:35. > :05:37.The Nuffield Trust says the cost of treating them on home soil rather

:05:38. > :05:40.than abroad could be almost a billion pounds, as

:05:41. > :05:45.For many British pensioners it is the appeal of retirement

:05:46. > :05:47.in the sunshine that attracts them to move to countries

:05:48. > :05:54.But having the same health care rights as the locals

:05:55. > :05:58.It's part of a reciprocal scheme which the UK pays around

:05:59. > :06:05.That covers nearly 200,000 British expatriates living

:06:06. > :06:18.But it's a deal potentially under threat when Brexit happens,

:06:19. > :06:22.People, if they had to return from countries where they live

:06:23. > :06:25.in the EU to here, retired people, could cost the NHS more money.

:06:26. > :06:28.Beyond that we probably would need more hospital beds and more nurses

:06:29. > :06:30.to give those people the standards of care they require.

:06:31. > :06:32.Unless a deal is struck the trust says pensioners

:06:33. > :06:36.If they will return to Britain for treatment it could cost

:06:37. > :06:44.Last year, spending on the NHS in England was around ?102 billion.

:06:45. > :06:47.The Nuffield trust estimates the NHS would need around 1600 more doctors,

:06:48. > :06:59.nurses, and other workers to provide this care.

:07:00. > :07:01.In response, the Conservative Party say protecting the rights of UK

:07:02. > :07:03.nationals in the EU is one of their priorities

:07:04. > :07:07.But the Liberal Democrats say this report is evidence that

:07:08. > :07:09.Theresa May's extreme version of Brexit will be a disaster

:07:10. > :07:14.for the NHS, putting huge pressure on hospitals.

:07:15. > :07:17.Labour are yet to comment but have previously accused the Conservatives

:07:18. > :07:26.For the first time, a British police force is to recruit people directly

:07:27. > :07:28.to become detectives - without them having to first work

:07:29. > :07:33.The Metropolitan Police hopes the scheme will fill some of the 600

:07:34. > :07:35.detective vacancies in the force, and attract people with different

:07:36. > :07:42.skills and backgrounds who might not otherwise want to join.

:07:43. > :07:45.Abuse and bullying in the online gaming world is a growing problem

:07:46. > :07:46.according to new research from anti-bullying

:07:47. > :07:51.Of the 2,500 young gamers they surveyed, half had been

:07:52. > :07:58.Here's our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.

:07:59. > :08:00.For 16-year-old Bailey, video games have been a big part

:08:01. > :08:03.of his life and were once an escape when he was getting

:08:04. > :08:08.He enjoys pitting his skills against other players online,

:08:09. > :08:10.but what he doesn't like is the abuse he sometimes

:08:11. > :08:15.He first experienced bullying in games when he was ten and it's

:08:16. > :08:20.If I'm playing a game and I score a goal, I've literally been

:08:21. > :08:25.If you're being bullied at home, you come home and play your computer

:08:26. > :08:28.and you are just getting more abuse thrown at you.

:08:29. > :08:31.It's just going to put you off doing anything social.

:08:32. > :08:34.The charity Ditch The Label surveyed 2,500 young gamers.

:08:35. > :08:39.57% said they had been subjected to hate speech in an online game.

:08:40. > :08:41.47% had received threats and 40% had had unwanted sexual contact.

:08:42. > :08:46.What's changed over the last decade is that more and more games

:08:47. > :08:50.are played online and that means young gamers are encountering

:08:51. > :08:55.anonymous people from around the world and chatting with them.

:08:56. > :08:58.That can of course, be very positive, but it also lays them open

:08:59. > :09:01.for the kind of dangers we've seen elsewhere in the online world.

:09:02. > :09:04.The anti-bullying charity worked with the online game

:09:05. > :09:09.Habbo Hotel to research young gamers' experiences.

:09:10. > :09:15.I think what's so shocking is the fact that it's

:09:16. > :09:18.We had gamers telling us this was just part

:09:19. > :09:23.Bailey says he has now learned not to let abuse get to him,

:09:24. > :09:26.but he wants the games companies to do more to watch over

:09:27. > :09:30.what happens online and to act to stop the bullies.

:09:31. > :09:36.And we'll have more on that story later in this programme

:09:37. > :09:39.when Victoria will speak to some young gamers who have

:09:40. > :09:43.been at the receiving end of bullying online.

:09:44. > :09:45.Olivia Newton-John has revealed she has breast cancer again,

:09:46. > :09:48.25 years after recovering from her original diagnosis.

:09:49. > :09:50.The Grease star has postponed her upcoming tour dates

:09:51. > :09:56.after discovering that the disease has spread to her spine.

:09:57. > :09:57.The singer and actress is undergoing treatment,

:09:58. > :10:01.and expects to return to the stage later this year.

:10:02. > :10:08.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.

:10:09. > :10:15.Thank you for your messages already about bullying while gaming. This

:10:16. > :10:20.e-mail says "I've been an avid gamer for years, bullying and harassment

:10:21. > :10:24.is ever present. Where young children are playing 18 rated games,

:10:25. > :10:27.ultimately resulting in them being exposed to the behaviour when

:10:28. > :10:31.competition causes friction. However, the simple solution is to

:10:32. > :10:37.join a different game session where it may be friendly, or to block

:10:38. > :10:41.horrible people". "My 16-year-old brother is autistic and is often

:10:42. > :10:46.bullied online for his speech impediment". And this tweet, "The

:10:47. > :10:49.gaming community should be a place of togetherness, people who bully

:10:50. > :10:54.others online should be ashamed, it is deplorable". We are waiting for

:10:55. > :10:58.Jeremy Corbyn to attend an event where he will refer to the party's

:10:59. > :11:05.promises on the NHS and education. You can see he's being introduced,

:11:06. > :11:08.it looks like he's being introduced. You'll be there any second so we

:11:09. > :11:10.will bring you some of his speech live.

:11:11. > :11:13.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:11:14. > :11:16.use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

:11:17. > :11:19.Let's get some sport now with Holly Hamilton,

:11:20. > :11:21.and it seems football's best-kept secret will finally

:11:22. > :11:30.We are just waiting for this to be rubber-stamped by the board today.

:11:31. > :11:35.As we were talking about yesterday it might not be a popular decision

:11:36. > :11:41.with some fans. He's faced so much criticism over the past season, a

:11:42. > :11:45.season that saw Arsenal fail to make the top four in 20 years. But

:11:46. > :11:50.remember they did beat Chelsea on Saturday to win the FA Cup.

:11:51. > :11:59.Now, here is Jeremy Corbyn. Our NHS, our children's schools is anything

:12:00. > :12:03.but strong and stable. Over the last seven years they've starved public

:12:04. > :12:07.services who rely on those resources because the Conservatives have

:12:08. > :12:12.chosen at every turn tax giveaways for the few over public services for

:12:13. > :12:16.the many. Patients are suffering ever longer waits and crowded wards.

:12:17. > :12:22.Those who need care are left without it. A and maternity units are

:12:23. > :12:27.threatened with closure. Children are crammed into overcrowded and

:12:28. > :12:31.crumbling classrooms. Schools are sending home begging letters to the

:12:32. > :12:36.parents. It has is to change. Together, we have the power to make

:12:37. > :12:42.it change on the 8th of June. Labour will invest in our people's schools

:12:43. > :12:47.and hospitals. We will cut school class sizes not cut schools. Take 1

:12:48. > :12:50.million people of the National Health Service waiting lists, not

:12:51. > :12:55.add millions more. Ensure that people get the care that they

:12:56. > :13:02.deserve, and guarantee the dedicated staff a pay rise. Another five years

:13:03. > :13:07.of the Conservatives would be disastrous for our public services.

:13:08. > :13:14.If they carry on as they are now, then by 2022, there could be 5.5

:13:15. > :13:23.million people on the NHS England waiting list. 1.5 million older

:13:24. > :13:28.people with an met care needs. 650,000 people crammed into primary

:13:29. > :13:35.classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worse off her child as

:13:36. > :13:41.the result of the Tories' plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7

:13:42. > :13:44.million of our children. That's the Conservative vision for Britain.

:13:45. > :13:50.Don't take my word for it. Last week, the IFF is made clear the

:13:51. > :13:54.Conservative manifesto promises no new money to the National Health

:13:55. > :14:00.Service, and a real terms cut in pupil funding for school. That

:14:01. > :14:05.vision doesn't have to become a reality. On the 8th of June, there's

:14:06. > :14:09.only one party that will improve our public services for the many, not

:14:10. > :14:15.the few. That is the Labour Party. We can do better than this. Labour

:14:16. > :14:22.will build an NHS and social care system for the many. We'll invest 37

:14:23. > :14:28.billion into our NHS, and take 1 million people off the waiting list

:14:29. > :14:33.by 2022. We'll invest 8 billion in social care over the next five years

:14:34. > :14:39.and lay the foundations for a National Care Service to integrate

:14:40. > :14:43.health and social care. Labour will build a national education service

:14:44. > :14:49.and invest in our children's futures. We will cap class sizes at

:14:50. > :14:55.34 five, six and seven-year-olds. Labour will provide free school

:14:56. > :14:59.meals to all primary school children. The Conservative Party

:15:00. > :15:03.will Take That away and replace it with a thimble full of rice crispies

:15:04. > :15:07.for each child. In the fifth Richards country of the world it's

:15:08. > :15:10.not acceptable to leave people languishing in A departments on

:15:11. > :15:20.trolleys in hospital corridors without care at all.

:15:21. > :15:28.We believe that those who can afford it should pay just a little bit more

:15:29. > :15:35.to fund care, dignity and opportunity for all. It now gives me

:15:36. > :15:40.great pleasure to introduce our Health Secretary, John Ashworth, to

:15:41. > :15:46.take you through the details of our concerns over the National Health

:15:47. > :15:48.Service. We will leave Jeremy Corbyn there, leader of the Labour Party,

:15:49. > :15:55.reiterating his party's promises ahead of the general election. Cut

:15:56. > :15:59.class sizes, from school meals for primary school children, take a

:16:00. > :16:04.million people of NHS waiting lists, and the paper that he will reverse

:16:05. > :16:07.cuts in corporation tax, and tax what Labour says will only be the

:16:08. > :16:13.top 5% of earners. More reaction to come later on. Next this morning,

:16:14. > :16:19.part two of our new series, election Blind dates.

:16:20. > :16:21.Every day this week, we'll be bringing you a blind date

:16:22. > :16:24.over lunch between two people with very different views -

:16:25. > :16:26.will they come to blows or walk away friends?

:16:27. > :16:28.Up today are Georgia Toffolo, better known as "Toff"

:16:29. > :16:31.from the Channel Four TV series Made in Chelsea, and anti-austerity

:16:32. > :16:35.One lives a champagne lifestyle, the other was once on the breadline.

:16:36. > :16:38.So this is how they got on - and there is the occasional strong

:16:39. > :16:51.There's an election on and people are talking politics.

:16:52. > :16:53.So, what happens when you send two people with opposing

:16:54. > :17:02.I'm, like, oh my God, this has been so long.

:17:03. > :17:12.You see people that are sat there that can go and work

:17:13. > :17:15.and choose not to, they choose to go and sign on, it angers me.

:17:16. > :17:28.When people stand at the dispatch box and tell me there's

:17:29. > :17:30.more money in education, I look around and I

:17:31. > :17:32.Because it's not in my children's school.

:17:33. > :17:52.How would I describe myself politically?

:17:53. > :17:58.I'm Jack Munro, and I'm a food writer

:17:59. > :18:11.And when I went back to work I couldn't work

:18:12. > :18:17.I ended up in quite a shoddy personal situation.

:18:18. > :18:23.It's something that never leaves you.

:18:24. > :18:28.Not eating for three days in a row so you can feed your child,

:18:29. > :18:31.or sitting opposite him, hoping he leaves some of his dinner

:18:32. > :18:39.We've been texting my friend about fox hunting.

:18:40. > :18:42.He's, like, belting, belting, marvellous.

:18:43. > :18:47.It's the number one issue facing Britain apart from inheritance tax.

:18:48. > :18:59.I'm best known for being on a TV programme called Made In Chelsea.

:19:00. > :19:05.I'm very lucky, I went to a nice school and I live

:19:06. > :19:08.But I'm not, I don't know, I'm not stuck up.

:19:09. > :19:11.But when people do think of me, and also my name,

:19:12. > :19:13.my nickname is Toff, which is, like, a joke

:19:14. > :19:22.So people have so many, you know, thoughts about me before

:19:23. > :19:26.I'm a member of the Conservative Party,

:19:27. > :19:28.and I have been for about eight years now.

:19:29. > :19:31.I can't comprehend why anyone my age would support a Labour Party.

:19:32. > :19:33.I'm trying to remember what I'm like on a date.

:19:34. > :19:37.I'm, like, oh my God, it's been so long, literally.

:19:38. > :19:45.Yeah, good, fine, quite nervous, but hungry.

:19:46. > :19:51.First things first, right, so, on the political spectrum

:19:52. > :20:01.So, centre, left-wing, right-wing, I'm about here.

:20:02. > :20:06.OK, so we're equally divergent from the centre.

:20:07. > :20:09.Yeah, not horribly right wing, but definitely not centre.

:20:10. > :20:13.OK, fine, we've established where we are.

:20:14. > :20:26.I'm awkwardly wriggling out of my coat for a second.

:20:27. > :20:42.I truly believe we should remain in the European Union.

:20:43. > :20:45.And I got to a point where the weight of the decision

:20:46. > :20:48.literally felt like it was entirely mine, so I thought, you know what,

:20:49. > :20:51.I'm just going to leave it to people who are either more qualified

:20:52. > :20:54.to make the decision, or think they're more qualified,

:20:55. > :20:56.to do it, and I'll just go with the will of

:20:57. > :21:00.Oh my goodness, but I think we're so lucky to have

:21:01. > :21:03.Referendums are, like, political engagement at their highest.

:21:04. > :21:13.I really regret it, I voted to remain, I wish that I'd have...

:21:14. > :21:17.Enough other people voted to leave that you've got what you wanted.

:21:18. > :21:22.I think it's a really positive thing for our country that we're leaving.

:21:23. > :21:25.Every time I go eat something, or make a point at the same time,

:21:26. > :21:30.I can imagine that our views on social

:21:31. > :21:34.I think what the Conservatives have done in the past seven years,

:21:35. > :21:38.with scaling back welfare payments, is overwhelmingly positive.

:21:39. > :21:46.And their support has been cut left, right, and centre.

:21:47. > :21:53.I've got friends who are in bed 23 hours a day, cannot

:21:54. > :21:55.look after themselves, and have to rely on two separate

:21:56. > :21:57.care appointments where someone turns up for ten minutes

:21:58. > :22:04.Imagine being locked in your bedroom for 22 hours a day.

:22:05. > :22:06.I completely understand, but this is where I think

:22:07. > :22:10.No, that's the result of Conservative cuts.

:22:11. > :22:16.There's only a certain amount of welfare that they

:22:17. > :22:22.I watch television programmes and you see people that are sat

:22:23. > :22:24.there who, you know, are clever, you know,

:22:25. > :22:33.I think with any system, every system is open to abuse.

:22:34. > :22:35.Until I was actually in that situation myself,

:22:36. > :22:38.physically freezing, starving, heating turned off,

:22:39. > :22:42.not eating for three days in a row, trying to top myself and my bathroom

:22:43. > :22:48.because I didn't want to carry on, basically.

:22:49. > :22:51.Yet, but does not and you also that some of the funding that could have

:22:52. > :22:54.gone to you when you were really in need was going to people

:22:55. > :22:58.I think less than 1% of benefit payments are fraudulent.

:22:59. > :23:02.I'd have brought it, but I didn't think...

:23:03. > :23:05.Yeah, but you're not going to own up to being a benefits cheat, are you?

:23:06. > :23:08.Why watch benefit cheats, if you think that's the right term

:23:09. > :23:11.for them, carefully, and not people who are avoiding large amounts

:23:12. > :23:13.of tax, scribbling their money in the Cayman Islands?

:23:14. > :23:16.I agree, but I think all of it needs to be watched.

:23:17. > :23:25.It's not just, like, a one issue kind of thing.

:23:26. > :23:32.I think a flat rate of tax is a lot better.

:23:33. > :23:41.And you work really hard for what you earn.

:23:42. > :23:44.If you tip over a tax bracket, it's as though the government

:23:45. > :23:50.Do you think we all just need a certain amount to live on,

:23:51. > :23:53.I think in this country, right, if you work hard

:23:54. > :24:01.You don't agree that in the UK right now if you work your EXPLETIVE off

:24:02. > :24:04.No, I know loads of people who work their EXPLETIVE off,

:24:05. > :24:06.cleaning shops, cleaning trains, driving trains.

:24:07. > :24:09.I also know people who've got their jobs through family connections,

:24:10. > :24:12.you basically swan around drinking in private members

:24:13. > :24:16.It's not a stereotype, I know these people.

:24:17. > :24:18.And you think, why should the health care assistant

:24:19. > :24:21.wipe their EXPLETIVE on 11 grand a year, and the guy

:24:22. > :24:23.who was basically born into the banking role the earning

:24:24. > :24:25.who was basically born into the banking role be earning

:24:26. > :24:29.I don't think hard work and income are equivalent in this country.

:24:30. > :24:38.And if I see, you know, when I look at my accounts,

:24:39. > :24:42.if I think, oh gosh, if I earn more next month

:24:43. > :24:45.I'm going to have pay even more to the taxman, it angers me.

:24:46. > :24:48.Do you ever turn jobs down just because you don't

:24:49. > :24:52.Of course not, but it doesn't make me think, oh, God,

:24:53. > :24:57.I think we do all need a certain amount to live on.

:24:58. > :24:59.And if you learn more you should contribute.

:25:00. > :25:01.You see, that's where our political ideologies are so different.

:25:02. > :25:04.So, tell me, what are your views on fox hunting?

:25:05. > :25:09.I think if somebody came up with it now as a sport, and went, I know,

:25:10. > :25:12.we're going to get a pack of dogs to chase an animal through

:25:13. > :25:14.the woods, they'd be, you know, they'd be tried and sent

:25:15. > :25:19.These foxes need to be culled anyway.

:25:20. > :25:23.Because they're out of control in the countryside.

:25:24. > :25:29.Come on, people like fox hunting because it's a chance to put

:25:30. > :25:33.all the gear on and get on your horse and have a good

:25:34. > :25:35.It's a great, old, British tradition.

:25:36. > :25:38.But there are a lot of great old British...

:25:39. > :25:39.Slavery was a great, old British tradition.

:25:40. > :25:43.I just think that it's disingenuous to suggest that people are partaking

:25:44. > :25:45.in fox hunting to help the farmers out.

:25:46. > :25:48.But do you agree that, you know, in the democracy that we live in,

:25:49. > :25:52.Theresa May is not wrong for putting it to the House of Commons?

:25:53. > :25:55.You know, it's a free vote, all the MPs can vote on it.

:25:56. > :25:57.People who vote on it, and I'd like to think

:25:58. > :26:04.So, I read somewhere this morning the Lib Dems,

:26:05. > :26:08.They were, like, sorry, that was mean.

:26:09. > :26:13.But, they were talking about legalising cannabis.

:26:14. > :26:18.For me, you know, smoking cannabis is an addiction.

:26:19. > :26:27.It is definitely true that it does cause mental problems if you smoke

:26:28. > :26:30.So, for me, I think I'd find it deeply distressing

:26:31. > :26:36.I don't know, because, cards on the table, I'm

:26:37. > :26:48.Yeah, stone cold sober, I was drinking a bottle

:26:49. > :26:56.But I could go into my local corner shop and buy a bottle of whiskey

:26:57. > :26:59.and the guy behind the counter would joke about how much I drank,

:27:00. > :27:07.I think I would have done myself a lot less damage if I could have

:27:08. > :27:12.Than downing a bottle of whiskey to go to bed.

:27:13. > :27:17.You know, drugs are drugs for a reason.

:27:18. > :27:20.I know, I'm not saying I have a spliff in the evening,

:27:21. > :27:23.but I think I would've done myself a lot less damage.

:27:24. > :27:27.What's your views, then, you said on security,

:27:28. > :27:29.surveillance, the fact that, apparently, the government can hack

:27:30. > :27:33.into our mobiles at any time, how do you feel about that?

:27:34. > :27:38.If it's helping to keep us safe, I think, go ahead.

:27:39. > :27:42.I don't think I'd want Theresa May looking through my selfies.

:27:43. > :27:45.I don't think I'd want Diane Abbott being head of MI5, but, you know,

:27:46. > :27:55.Quick, let's find something else we agree on.

:27:56. > :28:05.I was mortified, the first time I saw the picture of her,

:28:06. > :28:08.have you seen her Russell and Bromley shoes...

:28:09. > :28:14.I nearly wore them today, actually, but they didn't go with my trousers.

:28:15. > :28:18.I love that, you and Theresa May have got the same shoes.

:28:19. > :28:21.Oh, my God, it's worse than that, we've got about four or five

:28:22. > :28:33.I know it's awful for me to say that, but, it's a shame

:28:34. > :28:35.that he is the leader of the Labour Party.

:28:36. > :28:37.I think he was a very good campaigner.

:28:38. > :28:44.It's great for me, as a Tory, I'm loving it, they're

:28:45. > :28:55.getting away with murder, but, you know, in the Commons,

:28:56. > :28:58.the standing party that's in power must be scrutinised and questioned.

:28:59. > :29:00.And I worry Jeremy Corbyn isn't doing that.

:29:01. > :29:03.I think my vote for Labour is for good Labour MPs who deserve this.

:29:04. > :29:06.Have you got any other political heroes, historically?

:29:07. > :29:13.I know, I was looking at your badge, and I thought, rude,

:29:14. > :29:19.It's such a shame that I wasn't around then.

:29:20. > :29:21.See, I take the opposite view of that.

:29:22. > :29:24.I skipped school on the day of her funeral so that I could go.

:29:25. > :29:32.Yeah, I went, yeah, amazing, amazing lady.

:29:33. > :29:40.I'm what's known as non-binary transgender.

:29:41. > :29:48.I was born a woman, and I'm a female, but I went through a phase

:29:49. > :29:50.of taking testosterone to basically make myself more masculine.

:29:51. > :29:54.I'm in a really girly phase at the moment,

:29:55. > :29:56.so it's really hard to, kind of, like, explain.

:29:57. > :30:00.It really is day to day, how you feel?

:30:01. > :30:08.It's been a bit of an odd one when, like, with people and dating

:30:09. > :30:11.because they've started dating, like, a really feminine version

:30:12. > :30:13.of me, and then I wander downstairs one morning with,

:30:14. > :30:17.like, a chest binder on, and, like, a suit and a waistcoat and a tie.

:30:18. > :30:22.Oh, by the way, sometimes I like to dress up as a man.

:30:23. > :30:29.Yeah, yeah, it's fine, it's, like, nine quid, it's fine.

:30:30. > :30:41.And you're not horribly left wing, and I'm not horribly right-wing.

:30:42. > :30:47.But, where we at now, have I moved you along a bit?

:30:48. > :30:57.I've shuffled a bit more to the centre.

:30:58. > :31:01.And actually, I must say, I hate to admit it, maybe

:31:02. > :31:03.you have a little bit, because you said a few

:31:04. > :31:06.things and I thought, wow, I've never thought of that.

:31:07. > :31:09.If we go out again, we might end up somewhere in the centre.

:31:10. > :31:13.Go and see my friends, and they'll be, you've changed.

:31:14. > :31:15.Yeah, they'll be, like, what happened to you?

:31:16. > :31:23.I feel like I'm sending a personal hero of yours.

:31:24. > :31:29.If you could just put your arms over each other.

:31:30. > :31:36.I didn't know what to expect, because I was, like,

:31:37. > :31:39.super, super nervous, and, yeah, I had a nice time.

:31:40. > :31:45.You said a few things that I'm a kind of, hit home a bit,

:31:46. > :31:48.because I hadn't given some of the things you brought

:31:49. > :31:50.So, it's quite thought-provoking for me.

:31:51. > :31:53.Because I think often you can be quite ignorant,

:31:54. > :31:55.politically, I think, and I think I'm guilty of that.

:31:56. > :31:56.I've got friends were quite conservative,

:31:57. > :32:01.They are, like, my Nan and her friends, something like,

:32:02. > :32:06.So, it was quite nice for me to meet a young person

:32:07. > :32:12.When I think about, I don't know, kind of, benefits, I think,

:32:13. > :32:16.bearing in mind what you said, that's really stuck in my head.

:32:17. > :32:18.Do you think you're going to come out hunting

:32:19. > :32:23.I'm not sure I'm ready to go out on horseback.

:32:24. > :32:31.And then go right some awful piece for the Guardian about how terrible

:32:32. > :32:36.I like that, though, I like that about you.

:32:37. > :32:40.You'll never find me on one of those.

:32:41. > :32:43.See, I was going to say, I would take you to volunteer

:32:44. > :32:46.at a food bank, but now you said a march, I'm going to

:32:47. > :32:48.paint you a placard, and we can go out writing.

:32:49. > :32:51.No, over the picket line, with banners, that's just not me.

:32:52. > :33:02.Do you think, would you go for lunch again?

:33:03. > :33:11.It is, will have a Made In Chelsea, lefty spin off, or something?

:33:12. > :33:43.And they are friends, extraordinary! This USA's "Election blind dates is

:33:44. > :33:47.genius is great. A viewer says "She is showing herself up here". Another

:33:48. > :33:58.viewers a survey agree with Jack Munro. Another viewer says I pay

:33:59. > :34:02.around 30 K and still play a lot of tax and National Insurance. I don't

:34:03. > :34:07.think hard work and income are equivalent in this country. Nurses

:34:08. > :34:12.would agree. Your posh guest is so far aloof of reality, this is

:34:13. > :34:16.embarrassing. Another viewer says, much more enlightening breakfast

:34:17. > :34:22.conversation than yesterday with Nigel Farage. That posh girl needs a

:34:23. > :34:24.dose of real life. And tomorrow, strip club owner

:34:25. > :34:27.Peter Stringfellow has lunch with TV historian and vocal feminist

:34:28. > :34:31.Mary Beard...here's a sneak Later in the week we'll bring

:34:32. > :34:55.you dates between Labour MP Jess Phillips and Conservative MP

:34:56. > :34:58.John Whittingdale and Gina Miller who led the Brexit court case

:34:59. > :35:01.against the govt and Godfrey Bloom Still to come, Ian Paterson -

:35:02. > :35:04.the breast surgeon who carried out multiple unnecessary operations -

:35:05. > :35:07.is due to be sentenced today. We'll be talking to some

:35:08. > :35:11.of his victims in a moment. And we'll be discussing the reported

:35:12. > :35:14.rise in abuse and bullying in online A huge car bomb in the Afghan

:35:15. > :35:35.capital Kabul has killed at least 80 The huge explosion happened

:35:36. > :35:39.in the diplomatic quarter of the city near the German embassy

:35:40. > :35:41.during morning rush hour. Last month, the Taliban announced

:35:42. > :35:44.the start of a major spring offensive, saying their main focus

:35:45. > :35:53.would be foreign forces. Police say a dangerous prisoner

:35:54. > :35:59.believed to be armed with a razor blade is on the run after escaping

:36:00. > :36:03.offices in Wiltshire. Michal Kisiel, 30, had been taken to hospital in

:36:04. > :36:06.Salisbury with a head injury before overpowering prison guards. Police

:36:07. > :36:09.are warning the public not to approach him.

:36:10. > :36:11.A 30-year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,

:36:12. > :36:14.after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered

:36:15. > :36:18.The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of a fuel leak

:36:19. > :36:25.Police say they're not looking for anyone else.

:36:26. > :36:28.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:00.

:36:29. > :36:39.We now know he is staying and the decision has been getting a mixed

:36:40. > :36:43.response. We'll be getting reaction from Arsenal fans ahead of an

:36:44. > :36:47.official announcement confirming at least two more years of Arsene

:36:48. > :36:52.Wenger. And how's this for a welcome? The British and Irish Lions

:36:53. > :36:57.have arrived in Auckland for their tour of New Zealand, receiving a

:36:58. > :37:02.traditional Maori welcome. Their first four matches this Saturday.

:37:03. > :37:06.And, he needs their help, Jack Nicklaus has been speaking out about

:37:07. > :37:09.Tiger Woods after the former world number one was arrested on a charge

:37:10. > :37:14.of driving under the influence on Monday. And it was a good start Andy

:37:15. > :37:20.Murray at the French Open yesterday, he faces world number 50 in the

:37:21. > :37:28.second round at Roland Garros tomorrow. Thank you for joining us.

:37:29. > :37:30.A breast surgeon - accused of playing God and carrying

:37:31. > :37:33.out unnecessary operations on patients - is due to be sentenced

:37:34. > :37:35.at Nottingham Crown Court today, for intentionally wounding nine

:37:36. > :37:39.Lawyers say it's possible that hundreds of Ian Paterson's patients

:37:40. > :37:48.could have undergone surgery for no medical reason.

:37:49. > :37:51.Some victims are calling for him to be given the maximum punishment -

:37:52. > :37:55.Over a hundred more women have come forward since April to say he may

:37:56. > :38:01.have exaggerated or invented cancer risks in them.

:38:02. > :38:04.We can talk now to three of those women affected,

:38:05. > :38:06.Bethan Waite and Lynn Rollinson, who're outside the Crown Court

:38:07. > :38:07.in Nottingham, waiting for that sentencing,

:38:08. > :38:12.Sarah Jane Downing is in Birmingham this morning, all three women

:38:13. > :38:15.And in the studio is solicitor, Tom Jones, from Thompson's,

:38:16. > :38:18.the firm who represent the majority of Paterson's victims.

:38:19. > :38:24.Jane, Paterson has been found guilty of 17 counts of wounding with

:38:25. > :38:31.intent. What would be an appropriate sentence for this man? Victoria,

:38:32. > :38:37.it's so difficult. I don't know how we could ever really measure what he

:38:38. > :38:40.did to so many people. And it quite that to a sentence. I think it has

:38:41. > :38:48.to be the maximum but I'm not even sure if that's enough, to be honest.

:38:49. > :38:57.He performed an unnecessary lumpectomy or new, wider you think

:38:58. > :39:02.he did that? I don't know. He knew how terrified I was of the idea of

:39:03. > :39:07.surgery, he knew how I absolutely didn't want to have an operation,

:39:08. > :39:13.and then he spent a lot of time convincing me and terrifying so

:39:14. > :39:19.that, well, I agreed, against my better judgment. He said that if I

:39:20. > :39:22.left it much longer the lump was growing really rapidly. It would be

:39:23. > :39:29.a huge problem. And it would be so much worse to fix and reconstruct if

:39:30. > :39:34.it was about to get much bigger. So, have it done quickly and have a

:39:35. > :39:38.smaller operation, all white and have something much worse. So I felt

:39:39. > :39:45.the only option was to go for the smaller one. Of course. How

:39:46. > :39:51.difficult has it been to try and rationalise the fact you had been

:39:52. > :39:59.put through surgery for no reason? I can't rationalise it. It's too much

:40:00. > :40:03.to be able to process. I've been distracting myself by thinking about

:40:04. > :40:08.the campaign and starting the support group, and trying to do

:40:09. > :40:13.something adjacent, rather than actually address it because I don't

:40:14. > :40:18.know how to address it. Tom James, you represent many of his victims.

:40:19. > :40:23.What do you want to see, what do they want to see when it comes to

:40:24. > :40:30.sentencing today? I think in terms of sentencing it's part of the

:40:31. > :40:34.closure process for those who have had their lives devastated by this

:40:35. > :40:38.man. It's important he is punished in a way that is appropriately

:40:39. > :40:42.dramatic. It isn't a light sentence, that's absolutely right, because

:40:43. > :40:48.hundreds of women and men have been affected by his absolute callousness

:40:49. > :40:55.against them. It is quite unfathomable what he did. What's

:40:56. > :40:59.your view about why he did it? It's difficult to gauge. I wonder whether

:41:00. > :41:03.it was money, he was being paid for these operations privately. Whether

:41:04. > :41:07.it was him being in charge, he was apparently charming but bullying. I

:41:08. > :41:12.think there's a whole host of factors, but whatever it was, he got

:41:13. > :41:17.away with it for a very long period of time. Your firm is launching a

:41:18. > :41:22.campaign called patients before profits, because you claim through

:41:23. > :41:25.this case there is a divide between how NHS patients are treated and

:41:26. > :41:32.private patients are treated. There is a very clear divide. The NHS in

:41:33. > :41:37.these cases, they basically put their hands up, said there was a

:41:38. > :41:41.mistake and suspended him as soon as there were suspicions. They have

:41:42. > :41:49.paid compensation where it is appropriate and those cases are now

:41:50. > :41:52.closed. The private health provider, Spire, simply hasn't done that. We

:41:53. > :41:56.are now in a situation where they say that they rented him a room and

:41:57. > :42:04.have no responsibility and they are not going to pay. We have a

:42:05. > :42:07.situation in which the -- they advertised as being available, they

:42:08. > :42:10.promoted him, the after-care was carried out on those premises and

:42:11. > :42:14.yet they are saying they will not pay out for those people butchered

:42:15. > :42:19.by him. What levels of compensation had been paid out by the NHS? It

:42:20. > :42:23.varies depending on how the women were dealt with. It may be a futile

:42:24. > :42:30.and, it can be potentially tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands.

:42:31. > :42:36.There are women who have died as a result of his failures. The scandal

:42:37. > :42:38.is huge. The issue has to be that the private health care sector has

:42:39. > :42:44.to have the same responsibilities and deal with patients in the same

:42:45. > :42:49.way as the NHS. It is true to say that you've had another 100 patients

:42:50. > :42:54.come forward since his trial began in April. That's right. A lot of

:42:55. > :42:57.people wouldn't necessarily have realised, you are treated by a

:42:58. > :43:01.doctor, you wouldn't necessarily have thought it was him. Then you

:43:02. > :43:07.see his face and you think, he did me. That's why we have people coming

:43:08. > :43:12.forward even today as a result of this. Sarah Jane, I've spoken to a

:43:13. > :43:17.number of patients previously who said they would like to see a public

:43:18. > :43:21.enquiry into how this happened, how it was allowed to go on for so long

:43:22. > :43:27.and affect so many women and men. Would you like to see that?

:43:28. > :43:30.Absolutely. I think it really is necessary to know just exactly who

:43:31. > :43:37.did what and why they turned a blind eye for so long. I think people were

:43:38. > :43:43.probably colluding because they were making a lot of profit. But profit

:43:44. > :43:48.was going to Spire health care. We want to know exactly what was done

:43:49. > :43:51.and how and why. We know some people's bills were padded with

:43:52. > :43:56.things they didn't have a have. There is a lot there to be looked

:43:57. > :44:03.at, I think. How do you feel today as you awake this sentence? Very,

:44:04. > :44:08.very emotionally on edge, very stressed. It's so difficult to know

:44:09. > :44:13.what's going to happen. I'm deeply worried that it won't be anywhere

:44:14. > :44:24.near enough. I deeply worried everyone will be really upset. It's

:44:25. > :44:30.difficult today. I understand. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you

:44:31. > :44:33.very much, Sarah Jane Downing and Tom Jones from Thompsons. That

:44:34. > :44:37.sentencing is at Nottingham Crown Court today and we will bring it to

:44:38. > :44:38.you and BBC News as soon as it happens.

:44:39. > :44:53.Caroline Lucas is next to go for a drive with me in my white van. Hear

:44:54. > :45:00.her talk about drugs, tears and bath before 10:30am. I suppose the Green

:45:01. > :45:04.Party and the broader Green movement, I think we haven't done

:45:05. > :45:10.nearly as well as we needed to do. That is that about 10:15am. Every

:45:11. > :45:15.Wednesday we are looking at how the election is playing out on twitter.

:45:16. > :45:17.Every Wednesday up until the election, we're looking at how

:45:18. > :45:20.it's playing out on Twitter, with data crunchers from think tank,

:45:21. > :45:22.Demos, who've been analysing millions of tweets since

:45:23. > :45:26.Let's talk now to our two chaps from Demos - Josh Smith -

:45:27. > :45:28.he's the techy one - and Carl Miller - he'll look

:45:29. > :45:31.beneath the data to tell us what it all means.

:45:32. > :45:43.We have been interested in opening up the Democratic Abeid, letting

:45:44. > :45:47.people contact politicians who want to represent them. Then we found

:45:48. > :45:51.there is 1400 candidates we have been following on twitter since the

:45:52. > :45:56.campaign started. From conservatives, labour, Lib Dems,

:45:57. > :45:59.Ukip and the SNP. We have been looking at the way they have been

:46:00. > :46:02.tweeting and engaging people, but this potential for people to contact

:46:03. > :46:07.candidates and say I am not sure about this policy, I thought you

:46:08. > :46:13.were really good. To actually talk to people it only works if it is a

:46:14. > :46:15.two-way street. What we are looking at is the candidates from those

:46:16. > :46:19.parties who have been the best at replying to people on the platform,

:46:20. > :46:25.who have got back to people's concerns, and we have a top five of

:46:26. > :46:27.the top candidate from each party who was replying the most. Let's

:46:28. > :47:25.have a look. So Richard Gadsden is the top reply,

:47:26. > :47:30.the number one on the list. That's right, Richard Gadsden, the most

:47:31. > :47:32.prolific reply of all, a Liberal Democrat candidate in Manchester. It

:47:33. > :47:37.was that perhaps one of the reasons he replies so much is that he uses

:47:38. > :47:46.Twitter to talk to his mates. He is outspoken isn't he? Very. We looked

:47:47. > :47:52.at his tweets, if we have a second general election this year, I

:47:53. > :47:58.getting I can stand, will have some sort of a breakdown. This was 11

:47:59. > :48:01.hours ago, this is a tired candidate, is it not? I need a

:48:02. > :48:07.break. I have no clue about anything any more. Exactly, this is Twitter

:48:08. > :48:11.showing as the man behind the candidate, someone who has ran

:48:12. > :48:14.ragged on the campaign trail, is exhausted, nervous, fighting for

:48:15. > :48:21.history of being a politician. It is really showing us something you just

:48:22. > :48:25.wouldn't see in the airbrushed PR releases of the past. And it has

:48:26. > :48:31.definitely not gone through Lib Dem HQ Kamui thing. These are the best

:48:32. > :48:39.at replying on Twitter. Dr Teck Khong from Ukip is interesting. He

:48:40. > :48:43.is a recent defector from the Conservatives. You can see him

:48:44. > :48:47.laying into his former party. What is interesting about the way he

:48:48. > :48:52.engages with people, the replies here sending on twitter, is very

:48:53. > :48:56.much toeing the party line. He sees it as a platform to get the hashtags

:48:57. > :49:01.wants to get out there, to use the official party hashtags, and a lot

:49:02. > :49:05.of his replies are just people saying thank you for the follow,

:49:06. > :49:17.please vote for me. So much more formal. Much less personal. Carl,

:49:18. > :49:24.Will Quince is the top Tory twitter. He does get into arguments on big

:49:25. > :49:41.issues. Will Quince, our top Tory reply. But what really Bill -- Will

:49:42. > :49:44.Quince has been engaging in the rough-and-tumble world of digital

:49:45. > :49:50.politics, a world that is in the sense of poorer and more immediate.

:49:51. > :49:56.It only takes a second to send a tweet. Candidates perhaps tired like

:49:57. > :50:00.Richard Gadsden can also sometimes lose their temper and get stuck into

:50:01. > :50:02.the issues and debates with candidates and members of the

:50:03. > :50:07.public, many of whom disagree with them from all over the country.

:50:08. > :50:12.Next, Jess Phillips from Labour, tell us about her. We have talked a

:50:13. > :50:17.bit about disagreements, one of the interesting things about social

:50:18. > :50:23.media com you get trolled. Especially if you are a public

:50:24. > :50:28.figure. People occasionally lay into you. Jess Phillips is interesting

:50:29. > :50:33.because she responds to those attacks, she tells people to get

:50:34. > :50:37.back under your rock, she is very verbose. We looked at the tweets she

:50:38. > :50:39.was sending that aren't retweets, and seven Dibusz under the tweets

:50:40. > :50:45.she sent herself are actually replies to people. We will see some

:50:46. > :50:52.hopefully. What does this tell us about her? That she is not afraid on

:50:53. > :50:55.social media to show us a side of what her personality is. Looking

:50:56. > :50:57.through her Twitter feed get an idea of what she might be like as a

:50:58. > :51:00.person and that is another really interesting thing that people

:51:01. > :51:06.haven't necessarily been able to do. Let's have a look. Hi Jess, are you

:51:07. > :51:34.able to do anything to project this? OK, you can see her personality

:51:35. > :51:40.coming through, clearly they have not been through Labour HQ. Full VSM

:51:41. > :51:50.PE, John Nicolson is the most engaged. He is interesting because

:51:51. > :51:56.he is the link between social and mainstream media. He often replies

:51:57. > :51:59.to shows that cover politics. He is a candidate chipping in. This is a

:52:00. > :52:12.tweet from your show itself on Monday.

:52:13. > :52:20.This is representing how social and mainstream media is mixing in

:52:21. > :52:23.strange and sometimes mysterious ways to both come together to

:52:24. > :52:28.produce the kind of public debate we are having in the country. So which

:52:29. > :52:35.candidates exist in a social media desert? We looked at people who are

:52:36. > :52:40.tweeting a lot but never replying, never using this ability to directly

:52:41. > :52:44.reach out to people and to respond to things. We had our top guns,

:52:45. > :53:44.these are the five worst candidates. So I think the big difference

:53:45. > :53:49.between the top and bottom five is the top five early understand

:53:50. > :53:53.something about five don't, that social media is a new kind of two

:53:54. > :53:57.-ish treat, a place to listen and a place to talk, as well as a place to

:53:58. > :54:02.broadcast. That is probably a good thing. We did research back in 2015

:54:03. > :54:06.in the height of the last election in the UK. We did a poll of social

:54:07. > :54:13.media users and we found that over 70% of them thought the Democratic

:54:14. > :54:16.debate was being in some way improved by what was happening on

:54:17. > :54:19.social media, they could understand the candidates on the issues and

:54:20. > :54:24.then you better what the party stood for. About half of social media

:54:25. > :54:30.expected and wanted their candidates to be on social media. Replying to

:54:31. > :54:36.candidates and engaging with constituents. That is the big

:54:37. > :54:38.question between the bottom five. Why does it matter if they are all

:54:39. > :54:52.not putting all our war on replying? As Carl said, they are potentially

:54:53. > :54:56.missing an opportunity to engage with people straight into the own

:54:57. > :55:02.timelines to respond to issues being raised. It is about whether politics

:55:03. > :55:05.is a conversation or a pin board. Is it about politician shouting out and

:55:06. > :55:12.trying to frame issues as they want or is this a channel that can be

:55:13. > :55:16.used to wield power better too, for politicians to be a bit too listen

:55:17. > :55:20.more easily and readily to people all over the UK and respond to the

:55:21. > :55:24.issues and concerns we have got? That is the heart of what we are

:55:25. > :55:28.trying to talk about today. You have talked about the abuse some

:55:29. > :55:32.politicians get. A Jeremy Corbyn tweet last night didn't go down too

:55:33. > :55:39.well with plenty of Conservatives. Yes, the reaction to this tweet

:55:40. > :55:43.perhaps explains why people are reticent to put themselves out there

:55:44. > :55:51.on social media, especially if you are in a position like Jeremy

:55:52. > :55:56.Corbyn. Here we have a tweet. The response to this has been really

:55:57. > :56:00.interesting, in that people have replied saying, surely we don't need

:56:01. > :56:06.Jeremy Corbyn in order to further these people's, to unlock these

:56:07. > :56:09.people's talents? So the potential for putting that message out there

:56:10. > :56:17.and it being just laid upon and kind of attack is always there. It is

:56:18. > :56:23.quite a dangerous potentially environment for especially

:56:24. > :56:28.politicians. OK, we are going to show James cleverly's response and

:56:29. > :56:32.some other responses. James cleverly is a Conservative candidate and what

:56:33. > :56:37.he has done is effectively taken photographs of many other black

:56:38. > :56:41.Asian and minority ethnic candidates and said for example here a

:56:42. > :56:45.Conservative MP and a conservative assembly member waiting for our

:56:46. > :56:50.potential to be unlocked by Jeremy Corbyn. All of these are obviously

:56:51. > :56:56.sarcastic. Shaun Bailey, another candidate potentially. Said Kemal,

:56:57. > :57:02.leader of the Conservatives reformist group. And so it goes on.

:57:03. > :57:06.Gentlemen, thank you very much. You are

:57:07. > :57:13.Jeremy Corbyn has been claiming the future of the NHS and England's

:57:14. > :57:20.schools are at stake in this election. Let's talk to Norman

:57:21. > :57:23.Smith. Mr Corbyn actually looking pretty relaxed this morning as he

:57:24. > :57:29.was setting up what he claims are the risks patients and the elderly

:57:30. > :57:32.will face from another five years of Conservative government. They have

:57:33. > :57:37.produced this dossier here which they think details the fact that

:57:38. > :57:43.something like 1.5 million people will be waiting for care if the

:57:44. > :57:47.Tories win, and there will be 1.8 million people more waiting for

:57:48. > :57:51.hospital treatments, and something like 650,000 schoolchildren in

:57:52. > :57:56.classes over 30 or so. Labour by contrast, he says, would plough 37

:57:57. > :58:01.billion into the NHS, 8 billion into social care, and really you sense it

:58:02. > :58:06.is trying to crank this election back on the Mr Corbyn's favoured

:58:07. > :58:13.territory, which of course is public services. Labour will invest in our

:58:14. > :58:18.people, schools and hospitals. We will cut school class sizes, not

:58:19. > :58:22.schools. Take a million people off the National Health Service waiting

:58:23. > :58:28.list, not add millions more. Ensure that people get the care they

:58:29. > :58:33.deserve, and guarantee the dedicated staff a pay rise. Another five years

:58:34. > :58:39.of the Conservatives would be disastrous for our public services.

:58:40. > :58:44.If they carry on, as they are now, then by 2022 there could be 5.5

:58:45. > :58:53.million people on the NHS England waiting lists. 1.5 million older

:58:54. > :58:59.people with unmet care needs. 650,000 people crammed into primary

:59:00. > :59:05.school classes of over 30. Families left almost ?450 worse off per child

:59:06. > :59:13.as a result of the Tories's plan to scrap free school meals to 1.7

:59:14. > :59:16.million of our children. One of the tricks in an election is to talk

:59:17. > :59:20.about what you want to talk about but not necessarily what the media

:59:21. > :59:24.want you to talk about. I guess a lot of us this morning wanted to

:59:25. > :59:28.press Mr Corbyn about that leak of the discussion paper, which was put

:59:29. > :59:32.for Mr Corbyn, setting out some proposals on immigration, and one of

:59:33. > :59:36.them was this idea of allowing unskilled workers in from outside

:59:37. > :59:40.the EU. Now that is currently blocked, the so-called Tier three

:59:41. > :59:45.access is blocked, but this is cash and paper was apparently put before

:59:46. > :59:49.Mr Corbyn. Team Corbyn say it is not part of their policy but they

:59:50. > :59:53.wouldn't really engage with what were their policies this afternoon.

:59:54. > :59:56.In contrast, Theresa May, of course, when she was pressed about this

:59:57. > :00:01.leaked document was more than happy to talk about it. Just listen. From

:00:02. > :00:04.day one as Prime Minister, I'd been clear that I want to ensure we are

:00:05. > :00:08.supporting and looking after British people, and if we look at people who

:00:09. > :00:11.are living in the European Union, I'm clear that I want to see an

:00:12. > :00:16.agreement where their rights are protected. Of course it's reciprocal

:00:17. > :00:21.for EU citizens living here in the UK. That's why it's so important. We

:00:22. > :00:26.haven't just given those rights to EU citizens here in the UK, we are

:00:27. > :00:30.looking after UK citizens living in the European Union. I want to see

:00:31. > :00:35.reciprocal arrangements so we can look after them. As British Prime

:00:36. > :00:41.Minister I have a care for British people living in the EU. It is a

:00:42. > :00:44.funny thing, we are now immigration is a massive issue but trying to get

:00:45. > :00:49.detailed answers from either of the main parties about what they will

:00:50. > :00:53.draft a freedom of movement has ended is proving a hopeless cause.

:00:54. > :00:54.But I want to be seen to spell out the details, even though it is such

:00:55. > :01:04.a huge election issue. Now the latest weather. I know you

:01:05. > :01:10.are fascinated by my domestic heating arrangements, I am in limbo

:01:11. > :01:16.at the moment, what's going on? Keep your heating off just now because

:01:17. > :01:21.temperatures are rising. These are the current temperatures we have.

:01:22. > :01:25.Look at that already, in London it is 17. Temperatures set to rise over

:01:26. > :01:31.the next few days and we will see a fair bit of sunshine. This Weather

:01:32. > :01:38.Watchers picture is from King frankly. -- Kings Langley. The

:01:39. > :01:46.forecast for today is a bit of a mixture. Mostly dry with one or two

:01:47. > :01:50.showers and some sunny spells. This morning we have just that, a real

:01:51. > :01:54.variety of weather. In the south we've got this cloud and also some

:01:55. > :01:58.sea fog in the English Channel and the Irish Sea. We've got the cloud

:01:59. > :02:02.melting away across Northern Ireland and Scotland. A fair bit of sunshine

:02:03. > :02:08.here as we go through the course of the day. If you are out of the

:02:09. > :02:11.breeze it will feel quite pleasant. We'll see some brighter breaks in

:02:12. > :02:21.the cloud and we will see showers from mid Wales down towards South

:02:22. > :02:32.Kent. Some of that sea fog that is in the Irish Sea may lap onshore in

:02:33. > :02:37.the far south-west of Scotland. It will not make a lots of inland

:02:38. > :02:42.penetration. Still some cloud around with the odd shower. Sunny spells

:02:43. > :02:46.across south-west England. Temperatures are beginning to climb

:02:47. > :02:51.into the high teens. As we drift through Gloucestershire, if you

:02:52. > :02:54.showers in the Midlands towards Kent. It will be cloudy at times but

:02:55. > :03:03.will break and we will see some sunny spells or at worst, some

:03:04. > :03:08.sunshine. Highs of 23-25. Somewhere like Glasgow could hit 19-20.

:03:09. > :03:12.Through this evening and overnight will see cloud across Scotland,

:03:13. > :03:17.northern England, Northern Ireland. It won't be such a chilly start to

:03:18. > :03:22.the day. Fog in the English Channel moving in sure. Fog patches forming.

:03:23. > :03:26.Then another weather front coming in from the West. That will drift

:03:27. > :03:30.slowly south east accompanied by gusty winds. The heaviest rain will

:03:31. > :03:34.be on the hills. At lower levels it's more likely to be drizzly in

:03:35. > :03:39.nature but the cloud will build ahead of it. For England and Wales

:03:40. > :03:45.we are at sunny skies and dry conditions. Temperatures tomorrow

:03:46. > :03:54.could hit 26 in the south-east but we have fresher conditions coming

:03:55. > :03:59.into the Northwest. Ahead of it quite a muggy feel and with so much

:04:00. > :04:02.energy in the atmosphere we could see one or two thunderstorms

:04:03. > :04:06.developing. Especially in the south-east and East Anglia. Behind

:04:07. > :04:12.that, back to bright spells, sunshine and showers.

:04:13. > :04:14.Hello, it's 10:00am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:04:15. > :04:17.Ian Paterson - the breast surgeon who carried out multiple

:04:18. > :04:21.unnecessary operations - will be sentenced later today.

:04:22. > :04:29.He knew how terrified I was of the idea of surgery. He knew how I

:04:30. > :04:35.absolutely didn't want to have an operation. Then he spent a lot of

:04:36. > :04:43.time convincing me and terrifying me, so that I agreed, against my

:04:44. > :04:47.better judgment. A new report finds that half of all online gamers are

:04:48. > :05:00.believed. -- bullied. Well be talking to a victim

:05:01. > :05:03.of online gaming abuse in a moment. We'll hear from Caroline

:05:04. > :05:10.Lucas just after 10:30. What do you think sets you apart

:05:11. > :05:20.from other middle-class, privately educated MPs in their 50s? LAUGHTER

:05:21. > :05:27.That's a very good question! We will hear from Caroline Lucas at around

:05:28. > :05:31.10:15am. Good morning. Now the latest news with Joanna.

:05:32. > :05:35.A huge car bomb in the Afghan capital Kabul has killed at least 80

:05:36. > :05:38.The huge explosion happened in the diplomatic quarter

:05:39. > :05:40.of the city near the French embassy during morning rush hour.

:05:41. > :05:42.It's unclear who carried out the attack.

:05:43. > :05:50.In a statement, the Taliban denied involvement.

:05:51. > :06:08.People tell me they haven't seen anything like this in many years.

:06:09. > :06:12.As you can see, all the windows and some doors are shattered.

:06:13. > :06:16.Nobody has yet taken responsibility for the attack.

:06:17. > :06:18.But in spite of several demands from the international community,

:06:19. > :06:23.the insurgents and the Taliban have not said "yes" to stop violence

:06:24. > :06:33.Police say a "dangerous" prisoner, believed to be armed with a razor

:06:34. > :06:36.blade, is on the run after escaping officers in Wiltshire.

:06:37. > :06:38.Michael Kisiel, who's 30, had been taken to hospital

:06:39. > :06:40.in Salisbury with a head injury before overpowering prison

:06:41. > :06:54.Police are warning the public not to approach him.

:06:55. > :06:57.Tens of thousands of expat pensioners may return to the UK

:06:58. > :07:00.to use the NHS after Brexit - unless a deal can be done to let

:07:01. > :07:03.them keep receiving care abroad, a health charity has warned.

:07:04. > :07:05.The Nuffield Trust estimates the cost of treating them on home

:07:06. > :07:08.soil, rather than abroad - could double to ?1 billion pounds.

:07:09. > :07:11.At the moment, the UK gives around 500 million a year to EU

:07:12. > :07:24.countries that care for Brits who have retired overseas.

:07:25. > :07:32.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30.

:07:33. > :07:40.We will be talking about bullying and a report that suggests more than

:07:41. > :07:43.half of online gamers are bullied. It's unbelievable.

:07:44. > :07:45.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:07:46. > :07:48.use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

:07:49. > :07:54.Good morning. We are still waiting for this to be rubber-stamped by the

:07:55. > :07:59.board today. We heard yesterday that Arsene Wenger will be staying put as

:08:00. > :08:02.manager of Arsenal for another two years. He's received a lot of

:08:03. > :08:08.criticism throughout the season, so what do fans make of the decision?

:08:09. > :08:18.Let's speak to an Arsenal supporter and vlogger. What was your initial

:08:19. > :08:22.reaction when you heard yesterday? Not a surprise. I think it's been

:08:23. > :08:29.the worst kept secret that he was going to sign a new deal. Not a

:08:30. > :08:34.surprise, just wondering to myself why it's taken so long and has been

:08:35. > :08:40.so drawn out, for them to announce it now. Not a surprise. We had seen

:08:41. > :08:44.the banners, we've heard all the criticism. I think even Arsene

:08:45. > :08:50.Wenger himself had been quite surprised by how much criticism it's

:08:51. > :08:57.received -- he has received throughout the season. Did he

:08:58. > :09:00.deserve it? INAUDIBLE The performances this season in the

:09:01. > :09:06.Premier League and in the Champions League were, to be quite frank, very

:09:07. > :09:11.poor. In the Premier League we lost nine games, we finished way off

:09:12. > :09:18.Chelsea, and out of the top four, didn't make the Champions League. In

:09:19. > :09:23.the Champions League itself, we suffered two humiliating defeats to

:09:24. > :09:27.Bayern Munich 5-1. The team we were told we were moving to the Emirates

:09:28. > :09:32.Stadium to become the new Bayern Munich. We realised how far away and

:09:33. > :09:37.how far off we were. I think, compounded on that, the fact there

:09:38. > :09:43.was no announcement, nothing was said, every time the club was asked

:09:44. > :09:48.about what was happening, so I think people who wanted him out so it has

:09:49. > :09:54.an opportunity to really do a lot of protests and lots of banners, and

:09:55. > :09:58.trying to put as much pressure on as possible to try and get him to

:09:59. > :10:04.leave. I think the indecisiveness and performances have all led to the

:10:05. > :10:07.criticisms and have made it worse. Those fans aren't going anywhere,

:10:08. > :10:14.there is still a level of anger, they aren't going to change their

:10:15. > :10:21.minds, are they? Results change minds. Even at the weekend, the

:10:22. > :10:25.victory over Chelsea in the FA Cup, I wouldn't say it's changed people's

:10:26. > :10:30.minds. But it makes people feel a bit better about the club. There

:10:31. > :10:33.were fans who were very pleased with the performance, not just the fact

:10:34. > :10:40.we beat Chelsea but the manner of how we did it. If the season gets

:10:41. > :10:46.underway and we are putting in good performances and playing good

:10:47. > :10:51.football, you know, the fans will warm to that. However, the problem

:10:52. > :10:55.is is that those fans won't go away. If on the other hand you have three

:10:56. > :11:00.bad performances and bad losses, the banners and things like that might

:11:01. > :11:09.come back out again. But, for me, is the big fear for next season. Thank

:11:10. > :11:13.you. The British and Irish Lions squad have arrived in New Zealand

:11:14. > :11:18.for their tour which takes in three Test matches. The first matches this

:11:19. > :11:24.Saturday. How is this for a welcome? The Lions were treated to a

:11:25. > :11:28.traditional Maori welcome at Auckland airport. The squad

:11:29. > :11:58.responded by singing a Welsh hymn. Apparently they were practising for

:11:59. > :12:03.weeks! That's all the sport for now, the latest in the next half an hour.

:12:04. > :12:07.Thank you for your many, many comments about election on blind

:12:08. > :12:14.dates. Broadly speaking most of you absolutely love it. "That Was so

:12:15. > :12:20.good, we have totally different political views and we have been

:12:21. > :12:24.friends for over 20 years". "Big Up for showing people can calmly and

:12:25. > :12:29.politely debate with the other side". "Exceptional Blind dates

:12:30. > :12:38.today, a stroke of genius". "This Is genius, opposing views being shown

:12:39. > :12:46.respectfully and light-heartedly". "I Quite enjoyed this edition of

:12:47. > :12:53.election blind dates, that is how to do civil political discussion". "

:12:54. > :12:58.Brave to do the programme and you fought the blue corner well". "This

:12:59. > :13:04.Is winding me up, I don't need this so early in the morning! " "It Shows

:13:05. > :13:09.we have more in common than divides us, please keep this going after the

:13:10. > :13:14.election!" OK, we'll try! Almost three quarters of young

:13:15. > :13:16.people say they've been trolled while playing an online game and one

:13:17. > :13:19.in two say they've either been bullied, sent hate messages

:13:20. > :13:24.or threats by other online gamers. The figures have been described

:13:25. > :13:27.as "shocking" by anti bullying charity Ditch The Label,

:13:28. > :13:32.here's our reporter Chi Chi Izhundu. Young people are being bullied

:13:33. > :13:35.online and it is in a place where they should be having fun

:13:36. > :13:37.and engaging in different conversations with people

:13:38. > :13:39.from all around the world. To explain exactly how

:13:40. > :13:46.and what it is, let's leave Broadcasting House

:13:47. > :13:48.for just a minute. Here we are on the edge

:13:49. > :13:51.of our virtual city. It is places like this that exist

:13:52. > :13:55.on online video games. In gaming, other users

:13:56. > :13:57.can access this space, but it is also the place

:13:58. > :14:01.where bullying and abuse can happen. This abuse is coming from another

:14:02. > :14:04.gamer, and they can be absolutely Because they are hiding behind

:14:05. > :14:14.the screen, they can say Luckily, here in my virtual world,

:14:15. > :14:23.I can get rid of them. But for a lot of people,

:14:24. > :14:26.that is just not possible. A new report shows the scale

:14:27. > :14:28.of bullying young people face when it comes to online gaming

:14:29. > :14:32.and how widespread it is. The charity Ditch The Label spoke

:14:33. > :14:36.to 2,500 people aged between 12 and 26 and found they were regularly

:14:37. > :14:38.subjected to hate The report also found the problem

:14:39. > :14:44.is exacerbated because a lot of the virtual games are based

:14:45. > :14:46.on high levels of They also found that seven out

:14:47. > :14:53.of ten young people say online-gaming bullying is an issue

:14:54. > :14:55.that needs to be taken more seriously, and they want

:14:56. > :14:59.more human moderators. The charity's aim is to bring

:15:00. > :15:01.the gaming community together to stop malicious trolling

:15:02. > :15:07.and bullying online. Let's talk to Daniel Moran,

:15:08. > :15:10.who's 16 and received homophobic Zane Morris, a gamer who has

:15:11. > :15:14.received racial abuse. Liam Hackett, CEO of charity Ditch

:15:15. > :15:16.the Label who published this report. Also Aofie Wilson, a gaming

:15:17. > :15:26.journalist for Eurogamer. Thank you for coming on the

:15:27. > :15:34.programme. Tell us about the kind of abuse you've received. I'm 23 now

:15:35. > :15:40.but this happened when I was 15, 16, that age range. I was playing online

:15:41. > :15:44.competitively. Great environment to meet new people, have conversations.

:15:45. > :15:53.But in one particular case I started to receive racial slurs. I had my

:15:54. > :15:57.social media in my description. They didn't really bother me as such.

:15:58. > :16:02.Then I started to receive torrents of e-mail saying that my account had

:16:03. > :16:04.been reported for spam and for abuse and eventually my account got close

:16:05. > :16:10.down and there was nothing I could do about it. Now, as someone who has

:16:11. > :16:13.been a game of all my life, this obviously annoyed me but I had other

:16:14. > :16:18.options, I could go out and play with my band, be with friends, there

:16:19. > :16:23.were so many other opportunities. I worry for my nieces and nephews now,

:16:24. > :16:29.the roles have switched, they are now whether you're watching the

:16:30. > :16:33.cultural differences, gaming has exploded. Nowadays there is a lot

:16:34. > :16:39.more casual gamers, people who wouldn't normally get involved and

:16:40. > :16:43.now they are. I just really hope that the internet can stay safe with

:16:44. > :16:46.them as well because they are the most impressionable, the people that

:16:47. > :16:50.take the swear words and the racial slurs they hear on their headsets

:16:51. > :16:57.and go forth and said. As adults we are less at risk but it is a worry.

:16:58. > :17:01.Leon, as Zane says, it has exploded, so in that sense it is a microcosm

:17:02. > :17:09.representative society. The more some people get involved, the more

:17:10. > :17:13.abuse there will be, do we have to accept it? No. We see bullying as a

:17:14. > :17:21.societal behaviour, it is a behaviour. We know that they usually

:17:22. > :17:24.are experiencing stressful and traumatic experiences. In this

:17:25. > :17:28.research we found that one in five had admitted to bullying somebody in

:17:29. > :17:34.the game, and we had a lot of kids telling us that if they were being

:17:35. > :17:42.bullying Orton pollute themselves or they were going something -- they

:17:43. > :17:46.were being bullied themselves. We absolutely should not accept this.

:17:47. > :17:49.This is a cultural thing. Gamers were telling us that this is normal

:17:50. > :17:54.behaviour, they would go into games at expect to be treated this way.

:17:55. > :17:57.Look at uniting this way. The unfortunate thing of this research

:17:58. > :18:02.is that it is completely unsurprising to be. Yes, a lot of

:18:03. > :18:07.people will look at this and say it is not bullying, it is just the way

:18:08. > :18:12.it is. I think it is a cultural issue in gaming. Unfortunately it is

:18:13. > :18:15.a very vocal minority, the majority of experience in my gaming has been

:18:16. > :18:19.overwhelmingly positive but there is more we can do to make sure young

:18:20. > :18:23.people especially aren't being desensitised to this kind of

:18:24. > :18:26.language. It has very real impacts, kids were telling us it was making

:18:27. > :18:30.them feel depressed, giving them anxiety, and we never people who are

:18:31. > :18:36.being bullied off-line are more likely to play games to escape it,

:18:37. > :18:41.and then if they are being abused on that as well it amplifies the

:18:42. > :18:45.impact. Can I ask you what you think of this research from Liam's charity

:18:46. > :18:48.that people who are doing the bullying online are often not always

:18:49. > :18:54.being bullied themselves, do you buy that? I do. I haven't necessarily

:18:55. > :19:00.thought about it with such depth as I am now, but me personally, I grew

:19:01. > :19:05.up with my mum working long hours. For myself, gaming as an escape, not

:19:06. > :19:09.escaping bullying but it was a way I could entertain myself and to myself

:19:10. > :19:13.engaged for those hours. I also know I had friends who went through

:19:14. > :19:21.similar things but they were not being bullied. We have grown out of

:19:22. > :19:25.it. But without doubt sometimes you don't have anywhere else to put it.

:19:26. > :19:30.These people don't have anywhere else to go out. There is definitely

:19:31. > :19:37.a worry online. From my experience, a fairly visible person within the

:19:38. > :19:40.gaming industry and my pocket of the gaming industry, so I find that the

:19:41. > :19:45.challenging and engaging these people often you will find that they

:19:46. > :19:49.don't really think that far ahead. And if they see their words are

:19:50. > :19:54.having an impact, actually they will think more about it. What abuse have

:19:55. > :19:59.you experienced doing your job? Explain your job. Iamb eight games

:20:00. > :20:03.journalist but I am also quite visible on YouTube and I write a lot

:20:04. > :20:09.of articles about gaming, hopefully celebrating games for the most part.

:20:10. > :20:13.But people think that gamers look a certain way, I'm very aware I don't

:20:14. > :20:20.fit that mould. As a woman, sometimes people think that you

:20:21. > :20:24.don't quite belong there. So you get some misogynistic abuse but I

:20:25. > :20:30.personally find it quite easy to let that slide. But I am very aware that

:20:31. > :20:34.I want to make it clear to young women that they don't have to pick

:20:35. > :20:42.it up with that. My best tools for dealing with trawls is humour for

:20:43. > :20:48.one, but also disinterest will completely disarmed them as well. So

:20:49. > :20:52.don't respond? Don't respond, or if they know they are getting the year

:20:53. > :20:57.that is a win in their book. If I am ever playing over and watch and I

:20:58. > :21:04.say, "No one cares, broken". That will shut them up. Here is a tweet,

:21:05. > :21:08.anyone who has played Fifa online has been abused by some uppity

:21:09. > :21:12.American five-year road. With all due respect, it is not news. That

:21:13. > :21:17.someone who thinks it happening. This one says I am amused by the

:21:18. > :21:19.lack of comments from the gaming companies who irresponsibly design

:21:20. > :21:24.systems to allow online communication to take place during

:21:25. > :21:31.gaming with zero monitoring. We are getting better at that actually. I

:21:32. > :21:35.mentioned Over watch, an online game I play a lot, and Blizzard have done

:21:36. > :21:44.a lot to tackle negative communities and environment springing up. That

:21:45. > :21:50.is one way to curb IM better venue, the competitiveness that comes out,

:21:51. > :21:53.but also they added a tool not long back that turned a derogatory

:21:54. > :21:59.message into something completely different. Which people can find

:22:00. > :22:03.ways around that but it means they are taking a stance on that

:22:04. > :22:07.language. It is such an interesting discussion because of course the

:22:08. > :22:10.games titles are a huge stakeholder in this and they have a jerky of

:22:11. > :22:20.care to their users but what we are looking at is how users are -- a

:22:21. > :22:25.duty of care. But if you say children who play 18 rated games, it

:22:26. > :22:28.is their parents's responsibility on whether there child can handle

:22:29. > :22:33.certain types of content and bullying. And that most online games

:22:34. > :22:39.are competitive in nature. When that is the environment, there will be

:22:40. > :22:42.trash talk. On that topic, there has technically been a huge shift in

:22:43. > :22:45.gaming culture towards competitive gaming. There was a lot more focus

:22:46. > :22:50.on cooperative gameplay, which I have a lot of memories playing with

:22:51. > :22:57.my brother. The whole split screen side of thing is gone, everyone

:22:58. > :23:01.against each other. Now you have almost a football type mob behaviour

:23:02. > :23:10.where you have the key stars saying swear words. Tribal behaviour, in a

:23:11. > :23:15.way. This e-mail from Brian says Victoria, I have a 13-year-old son,

:23:16. > :23:18.an online gamer, a Facebook user, I have a feeling he is experiencing

:23:19. > :23:22.some kind of bullying and peer pressure but he puts on a front that

:23:23. > :23:26.everything is OK. I wish he would talk about it and not get angry or

:23:27. > :23:32.keep it in. I dislike this new technology generation, it is

:23:33. > :23:35.changing society. I always say it is so important for parents and

:23:36. > :23:39.guardians to have fully open and honest relations with their

:23:40. > :23:42.children. But this online life is very real. It is important to talk

:23:43. > :23:46.about are just as you would off-line, talk about it around the

:23:47. > :23:50.dinner table, ask what they are doing online, what they enjoy about

:23:51. > :23:53.the internet but also we have the largest online support hub for

:23:54. > :23:57.anyone experiencing bullying. They can speak to one of our mentors

:23:58. > :24:01.anonymously and get advice and support. That is a resource for

:24:02. > :24:08.anyone impacted by these issues. There are games getting better at

:24:09. > :24:12.providing resources. Life is strange, when it dealt with stories

:24:13. > :24:17.of suicide and bullying, at the end of the game it actually provided

:24:18. > :24:21.websites the kids to check out. So I think games are aware now of the

:24:22. > :24:25.reach they have, and also the difficulty is that a lot of their

:24:26. > :24:30.players have. Though Di Stefano list rent in the message of telling kids

:24:31. > :24:33.that if they are being bullied it is because the person they are

:24:34. > :24:36.bullying, their dad could be beating up their mum, then and could have

:24:37. > :24:42.passed away come you don't know what is going on in that young person's

:24:43. > :24:48.life. The result is a root cause. I am not sure there is always a root

:24:49. > :24:52.cause. No we have the data that says it is. OK. Some of it is so casual

:24:53. > :24:57.though, that they don't even seem to know they are doing it. These nice

:24:58. > :25:04.middle-class kids with nothing to complain about being vile online. It

:25:05. > :25:10.is the anonymity that allows people to say anything they like. You get

:25:11. > :25:13.some taunts meant in jest. I am not saying people who are doing that I

:25:14. > :25:15.going through something difficult by people who are obsessively

:25:16. > :25:20.perpetrating these behaviours, to the extent where it is unhealthy,

:25:21. > :25:26.there is a lazy root cause. Thank you very much for a really

:25:27. > :25:30.interesting discussion, let's hope it -- there was always a root cause.

:25:31. > :25:36.Wiltshire Police say they are looking for a dangerous prisoner

:25:37. > :25:40.believed to be armed with a razor blades. Let's talk to our

:25:41. > :25:43.correspondent, Andy Moore. The latest information is that the

:25:44. > :25:48.police perhaps think this was preplanned? We have just had an

:25:49. > :25:53.updated press release from the police, and they are saying this may

:25:54. > :25:56.have been preplanned, and he may have had assistance. So the more we

:25:57. > :26:00.hear about this, the more serious the case becomes. We heard last

:26:01. > :26:05.night he had escaped from hospital about 7pm last night. At the time,

:26:06. > :26:08.we were told that he had given his guards the slip. Now we have heard

:26:09. > :26:14.in fact that he overpowered his guards. Two guards was it? I am not

:26:15. > :26:18.sure, but he overpowered his guards and made his escape. He was taken to

:26:19. > :26:30.hospital for a head wound sustained somehow or other in his cell. So

:26:31. > :26:32.there is now the possibility that the head wound was deliberately

:26:33. > :26:34.inflicted in some way so he could get the hospital, and then perhaps

:26:35. > :26:37.with some sort of assistance escape. We are now hearing more about his

:26:38. > :26:40.background. The police and the Ministry of Justice won't comment at

:26:41. > :26:44.all on his background. But in fact he was jailed for five years last

:26:45. > :26:50.year in Luton for a terrible attack on a mother and her daughter. He

:26:51. > :26:55.actually tied up both victims for eight hours, and he threatened to

:26:56. > :27:02.kill the mother, holding a large knife to her throat. And we now know

:27:03. > :27:05.that he has a blade of some sort with him as he is on the loose, and

:27:06. > :27:10.police say he is dangerous, and there is a very large operation

:27:11. > :27:13.underway to find him. We have been showing images of him but give us

:27:14. > :27:19.the description and what the advice to members of the public is if they

:27:20. > :27:24.think they spot. He is white, five tall with blonde hair, originally

:27:25. > :27:27.from Poland. Of medium build with very distinctive tattoos on his

:27:28. > :27:32.neck. He was wearing grey tracksuit items and the black T-shirt with

:27:33. > :27:36.blue trainers. He didn't have any idea on him or any money, but if he

:27:37. > :27:42.has assistance of course, that may not be such a big problem. The

:27:43. > :27:50.advice from the police is not to approach, just call immediately.

:27:51. > :27:57.Thank you very much. Next to Kabul, let's get the latest on that car

:27:58. > :28:03.bomb that has exploded in the diplomatic quarter, killing at least

:28:04. > :28:06.80 people and wounding 300 others. Our correspondence from the BBC

:28:07. > :28:11.Afghan service, tell us what you know at this stage. The latest is

:28:12. > :28:20.that we now no that about 80 people have been killed and 350 are

:28:21. > :28:25.injured. Four of our staff have also had minor injuries, and

:28:26. > :28:30.unfortunately we lost one of our support staff, who was a driver. Oh

:28:31. > :28:40.my goodness, I didn't realise that, as well. What do we know about who

:28:41. > :28:43.might be behind this car bomb? The Afghan president, he has been asking

:28:44. > :28:49.that in the month of Ramadan there should not be explosions, let's stop

:28:50. > :28:55.violence but nobody responded to that, insurgent group. This

:28:56. > :29:00.particular attack will be difficult for the insurgents to take

:29:01. > :29:09.responsibility because of the level of civilian casualties. This is

:29:10. > :29:14.normally the case when civilian casualties are high. Insurgent

:29:15. > :29:24.groups don't take responsibility for it. If it is the security forces

:29:25. > :29:29.casualties are high, then the response is instant. Apart from

:29:30. > :29:36.spreading terror, what is it that the insurgents want, ultimately? At

:29:37. > :29:40.the end of 2017, they announce that this year at least, the Taliban at

:29:41. > :29:46.least, announced they will be targeting foreign troops and

:29:47. > :29:51.pressurising the Afghan government. So I guess it is that operation,

:29:52. > :29:55.that think they are carrying on. They want foreign soldiers out of

:29:56. > :29:59.the country? That's right, and we see evidence from that at the start

:30:00. > :30:02.of this year, we have had one incident like this almost every

:30:03. > :30:06.month. Thank you very much, thank you. It is half past ten, let's

:30:07. > :30:18.bring you the latest news. A huge car bomb in Kabul has

:30:19. > :30:22.happened in the diplomatic quarter of the city near the French Embassy

:30:23. > :30:27.in morning rush-hour. It's unclear who carried out the attack. In a

:30:28. > :30:31.statement, the Taliban in tick-macro denied involvement. Police say a

:30:32. > :30:40.prisoner on the run may have had assistance in a preplanned escape.

:30:41. > :30:44.Michal Kiesel had been taken to hospital before overpowering prison

:30:45. > :30:48.guards yesterday evening. Police are warning the public not to approach.

:30:49. > :30:52.Tens of thousands of pensioners in the EU may return to the UK to use

:30:53. > :30:56.the NHS after Brexit, unless a deal can be done to let keep receiving

:30:57. > :31:02.care abroad. The Nuffield Trust estimates the cost of treating them

:31:03. > :31:08.on home soil could double to ?1 billion. At the moment the UK gives

:31:09. > :31:12.around ?500 million a year to EU countries that care for British

:31:13. > :31:15.pensioners. A 30-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:31:16. > :31:20.after the bodies of a woman and two children were discovered in a flat

:31:21. > :31:23.in Liverpool. The discovery was made by officers investigating reports of

:31:24. > :31:28.a fuel leak in Toxteth. Police say they aren't looking for anyone else.

:31:29. > :31:31.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:31:32. > :31:44.Good morning. We now know he's staying put, a decision that has

:31:45. > :31:48.divided opinion among Arsenal fans. We are expecting an official

:31:49. > :31:51.announcement from the club in the next half an hour confirming that

:31:52. > :31:58.Arsene Wenger will remain at Arsenal for another two years. How's this

:31:59. > :32:01.for a welcome? The British and Irish Lions have arrived in Auckland,

:32:02. > :32:06.receiving a traditional Maori welcome. They will play three tests

:32:07. > :32:11.against the all Blacks, their first four matches on Saturday. He needs

:32:12. > :32:13.our help, Jack Nicklaus has spoken out about his friend Tiger Woods

:32:14. > :32:18.after the former world number one was arrested on a charge of driving

:32:19. > :32:23.under the influence on Monday. It's been a good start for Andy Murray at

:32:24. > :32:26.the French Open, he faces world number 50 Martin Klizan in the

:32:27. > :32:28.second round at Roland Garros tomorrow. I'll have all that and

:32:29. > :32:35.more in the next half an hour. This morning the joint leader

:32:36. > :32:37.of the Green Party tells this programme she'll cry if the Greens

:32:38. > :32:40.only return one MP after next In a wide ranging interview

:32:41. > :32:44.Caroline Lucas also tells us why she believes some drugs should be

:32:45. > :32:46.legalised and prostitution She joined me in an electric

:32:47. > :32:49.white van for part of our van share series -

:32:50. > :32:52.with different politicians from some In this interview -

:32:53. > :32:56.which was recorded before the manchester terror attacks -

:32:57. > :33:01.she also says talks should happen with so-called Islamic State,

:33:02. > :33:03.but she's not naive enough to think IS will send a representative

:33:04. > :33:25.to any talks. Let's start by talking

:33:26. > :33:29.about your manifesto. You want to scrap

:33:30. > :33:34.university tuition fees. And you want to write off

:33:35. > :33:39.all existing student debt. We think it is wrong that young

:33:40. > :33:42.people get saddled with this huge amount of debt as they are starting

:33:43. > :33:46.in their working lives, and also that we think education

:33:47. > :33:49.should be a public good, Our guarantee about tuition fees

:33:50. > :33:59.would cost between 8 billion, according to the IFS,

:34:00. > :34:02.or 11 billion, according to other aspirational estimates

:34:03. > :34:05.that have been done. We would not be spending money,

:34:06. > :34:11.for example, on Trident nuclear weapons, HS2,

:34:12. > :34:16.the Hinckley nuclear-power station. We would say that people

:34:17. > :34:18.with the broadest shoulders Why do you want to use the taxes

:34:19. > :34:23.from low-income families to pay the tuition fees of wealthy

:34:24. > :34:27.students, and ultimately to pay off We would not be addressing

:34:28. > :34:33.our tax rises to people We have policies like the universal

:34:34. > :34:38.basic income that would help people on the lowest incomes

:34:39. > :34:43.and on no income. We say that we want a country

:34:44. > :34:47.where we can afford good public services for everybody,

:34:48. > :34:50.and those are the political We the fifth-biggest

:34:51. > :34:55.economy in the world, and so it is up to us how

:34:56. > :34:58.we make those choices. You are happy to pay the tuition

:34:59. > :35:01.fees of wealthier students If they are wealthy, they will pay

:35:02. > :35:06.more into the tax system ultimately. Yes, because they will pay

:35:07. > :35:11.more ultimately through You want to give a citizens'

:35:12. > :35:17.income to everybody. I am not sure you

:35:18. > :35:19.are calling it that. We need to have a debate

:35:20. > :35:32.about the future of work. That would be a payment

:35:33. > :35:35.you would want to pay to everybody, including Premier League

:35:36. > :35:36.footballers, property For people earning more,

:35:37. > :35:49.like your football players, But there will be some people

:35:50. > :35:53.who think that is just bonkers, because that will cost,

:35:54. > :35:56.if it is 80 quid a week, You would also not be paying

:35:57. > :36:01.lots of the benefits. It would not be on top

:36:02. > :36:05.of existing benefits. You scrap existing benefits, 160

:36:06. > :36:07.billion, it is still 140 billion, It will be a pilot, and combined

:36:08. > :36:22.with more-progressive taxation. As a result, those people who do not

:36:23. > :36:26.need it will pay more anyway, It guarantees basic

:36:27. > :36:29.security to people. People might think this is not

:36:30. > :36:32.the right answer, and that is fine, but at least the question

:36:33. > :36:34.is being asked by us, how is it that in the fifth-richest

:36:35. > :36:37.country in the world we have a situation where 4 million

:36:38. > :36:41.kids are living in poverty, where people are dependent on food

:36:42. > :36:44.banks, nurses, because they cannot have enough money to

:36:45. > :36:49.put food on the table? In that context, it is right

:36:50. > :36:53.to ask the questions. One challenge is

:36:54. > :36:56.protecting the planet. You have failed to get people

:36:57. > :36:59.talking about the environment. Nobody is talking about the green

:37:00. > :37:06.agenda in this election. I suppose the Green

:37:07. > :37:16.movement has not done I don't think the fault

:37:17. > :37:22.is entirely ours. We launched an environment

:37:23. > :37:25.manifesto ten days ago, and although we had some journalists

:37:26. > :37:27.there and TV cameras, none of it cut through,

:37:28. > :37:30.you would not have seen it on your TV screens,

:37:31. > :37:45.so it is an enormous challenge. It feels as if the whole political

:37:46. > :37:48.debate now is being so stifled We are not going to be

:37:49. > :37:54.the next Government, I hope we will have some more Green

:37:55. > :37:58.MPs who will put pressure on the next Government,

:37:59. > :38:00.but what we can do is broaden the terms of the debate,

:38:01. > :38:03.having the debate about how we cope with a future where fewer people

:38:04. > :38:06.are going to be having the kind of nine-to-five secure jobs

:38:07. > :38:08.that they might have expected Do you accept that voters do

:38:09. > :38:16.like to know how things are going to be costed and need

:38:17. > :38:18.a credible answer? Voters will be pleased

:38:19. > :38:20.to know that somebody is thinking about the future,

:38:21. > :38:23.about what the world of work Why do you think the loudest

:38:24. > :38:28.anti-Brexit parties are plummeting I don't think it is as a result

:38:29. > :38:40.of saying that we believe the people should have the final say

:38:41. > :38:43.on the referendum. I do not think we are saying,

:38:44. > :38:46."Don't get on with it," but when you come back with a final

:38:47. > :38:49.deal, does that go to Parliament It was the people that

:38:50. > :38:54.started off the debate, and given the magnitude

:38:55. > :38:59.of the decision that we are taking, given the fact that so much

:39:00. > :39:02.of what we were promised has proved not to be the case, ?350 million

:39:03. > :39:06.to the NHS, Turkey joining, the fact we are supposed

:39:07. > :39:11.to the keeping the same economic arrangements now as we had

:39:12. > :39:17.when we were part of the EU, all of that has

:39:18. > :39:20.unravelled spectacularly. If people voted no to that final

:39:21. > :39:24.deal, Britain would stay in the EU? Would you set a limit for the number

:39:25. > :39:30.of immigrants allowed into Britain? We are standing up for free

:39:31. > :39:33.movement, we would not The economy sets how

:39:34. > :39:40.many people come here, and we think it is the most-precious

:39:41. > :39:43.gift that people can work and retire and study and live and love

:39:44. > :39:48.and learn in 27 other member states. It is amazing, and I feel so sad

:39:49. > :39:51.that my kids now will not have the benefits that

:39:52. > :39:54.I did from that. Should people who support so-called

:39:55. > :39:59.Islamic State or become a member of Al-Qaeda,

:40:00. > :40:07.should they be prosecuted? Previously you have

:40:08. > :40:12.said they should not. Natalie once misspoke

:40:13. > :40:17.on a BBC politics programme, but the Green Party is clear,

:40:18. > :40:20.any kind of involvement in any kind of violence like that is utterly

:40:21. > :40:23.a criminal offence and should be Talking is normally what gets

:40:24. > :40:35.solutions, as it was in Ireland. It is hard to think

:40:36. > :40:41.who your interlocutor is. So, yes to talks, but not to be

:40:42. > :40:44.naive that IS will nominate You are happy for Green candidates

:40:45. > :40:50.to stand aside in some seats if it is going to split the vote

:40:51. > :40:53.and therefore potentially allow Is that not skewing

:40:54. > :41:02.democracy somewhat? Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and no

:41:03. > :41:07.party are coming together to say, come on, let's try to just be a bit

:41:08. > :41:13.more savvy about this voting system, which we know is on course to be

:41:14. > :41:16.handing, if the polls are right, How can we ensure that

:41:17. > :41:23.different voices are heard, how can we put aside narrow tribal

:41:24. > :41:29.interests just for once? It is a difficult thing

:41:30. > :41:31.to ask parties to do, but there was a huge appetite for it

:41:32. > :41:35.at a local level, including at It was not reciprocated

:41:36. > :41:40.at a national level, but I still feel it was the right

:41:41. > :41:43.thing to do. On your website you say

:41:44. > :41:47.you are not a typical MP. What do you think sets you apart

:41:48. > :41:52.from other middle-class, I think it is a combination

:41:53. > :42:05.of being prepared to think the unthinkable as part

:42:06. > :42:08.of the Green Party, I think it is willing to put your body

:42:09. > :42:13.where your mouth is, the preparedness to take non-violent

:42:14. > :42:18.direct action when other That sense of being prepared

:42:19. > :42:25.to stand up for what you believe in without compromising

:42:26. > :42:30.is relatively rare. We want an evidence-based drugs

:42:31. > :42:35.policy, and what we have under this Government and the successive ones

:42:36. > :42:40.has been an evidence-free policy. There is such an

:42:41. > :42:43.ideological reaction. Even if it were the case to be

:42:44. > :42:46.proven that a different policy could keep far more people safe

:42:47. > :42:49.from drugs, it's not What we are saying is,

:42:50. > :42:55.let's start with cannabis, let's start by making that

:42:56. > :42:58.available, if you are over 18 The parents I have spoken

:42:59. > :43:08.to in Brighton support this issue. It is one I have stood up

:43:09. > :43:13.for in Brighton very strongly. They will be pleased that once

:43:14. > :43:16.they are 18 their children can turn around to their parents and say,

:43:17. > :43:19."Look, it is regulated now, Many people under 18 are already

:43:20. > :43:27.getting hold of those drugs, becoming addicted,

:43:28. > :43:29.and because we have a criminal-justice system that treats

:43:30. > :43:34.addiction as a criminal offence rather than as a health

:43:35. > :43:37.problem, there is no way We believe, again,

:43:38. > :43:46.a decriminalisation, both of the buyer of sex

:43:47. > :43:51.and of the seller, is a way Would you describe

:43:52. > :44:05.yourself as a feminist? Are you pleased we have a second

:44:06. > :44:09.female Prime Minister? Only because I hate her policies,

:44:10. > :44:20.but of course we need whoever is doing the policies,

:44:21. > :44:22.I would rather more women Your most-expensive purchase,

:44:23. > :44:41.not including a car or a home? I think I cried last week, just out

:44:42. > :44:54.of exhaustion and frustration. If you only return one MP again

:44:55. > :45:04.this time, yourself... I want Molly to be elected

:45:05. > :45:09.in Bristol West, I want Vix Lowthion It would be brilliant,

:45:10. > :45:13.and it would not just be tears because I am sad,

:45:14. > :45:16.I would be heartbroken that we have not managed to get people

:45:17. > :45:32.like them into Parliament, How much is the PiP disability

:45:33. > :45:39.benefit? Hole I can't remember now. Is it ?80 from something like that?

:45:40. > :45:43.It is about ?65. To be honest, that is a nice way of catching me out,

:45:44. > :45:46.but the most important thing is to make sure that people with

:45:47. > :45:53.disabilities are looked after. The most embarrassing thing you have

:45:54. > :45:56.done when you were drunk? It is not necessarily when I am drunk, but I

:45:57. > :46:08.figured people's names and faces. Do you sing in the shower,

:46:09. > :46:11.and if so, what? I assume it is a shower

:46:12. > :46:13.rather than a bath? We like our occasional

:46:14. > :46:15.baths as well! My favourite singer

:46:16. > :46:17.is Regina Spektor, I would try to sing some of her songs,

:46:18. > :46:19.she is wonderful. I don't know her, can

:46:20. > :46:48.you sing to me a little bit? I so wish I had my son's Keita with

:46:49. > :46:50.me, and then she may have had to sing, although I cannot play it.

:46:51. > :46:52.And more van share with other politicians to come

:46:53. > :46:55.The Metropolitan Police is going to recruit people directly

:46:56. > :47:10.as detectives without them spending time in uniform.

:47:11. > :47:12.We can speak now to Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary,

:47:13. > :47:15.Zoe Billingham, and Leroy Logan who is a former Metropolitan Police

:47:16. > :47:16.Superintendent and retired after 30 years' service

:47:17. > :47:20.How bad is the shortage of detectives? Very bad. We put in our

:47:21. > :47:23.most recent report there is a national crisis in the shortage of

:47:24. > :47:27.detectives and we have called on forces to take all sorts of

:47:28. > :47:30.innovative action, like the Met are doing, to make sure that skilled

:47:31. > :47:35.people are investigating very serious crimes. OK, but you are now

:47:36. > :47:39.going to have people with skills in other areas but not policing.

:47:40. > :47:45.Someone who has never arrested someone, someone who has never

:47:46. > :47:48.sought a crime, going straight in as a detective? What you wouldn't

:47:49. > :47:53.believe that the moment is that we have people who have no detective

:47:54. > :47:55.experience at all who are police officers investigating rapes and

:47:56. > :48:00.even in one incident a homicide. What we want to be happening is a

:48:01. > :48:04.proper training course for people necessarily coming in from outside

:48:05. > :48:08.of policing if that is what the Met thinks is important, they get the

:48:09. > :48:11.appropriate training, they learn how to investigate a crime, they used

:48:12. > :48:17.their forensic intelligence well and they bring offenders to justice.

:48:18. > :48:21.That is preferable to forces using a patchwork approach and not having

:48:22. > :48:24.the right skilled people investigating very, very serious

:48:25. > :48:31.crimes against people. OK, Leroy Logan, what do you think about this?

:48:32. > :48:35.There are certain things you can't learn from a book or online. There

:48:36. > :48:42.are certain skills that you develop through on-site learning. Sorry to

:48:43. > :48:48.interrupt, Zoe Billingham says there are people investigating crimes as

:48:49. > :48:52.serious as murder and rape because of the shortage. It is because there

:48:53. > :48:55.is a shortage, and I think it is really near-sighted that they

:48:56. > :48:58.haven't understood when you have a high caseload of officers, and the

:48:59. > :49:03.fact that they are leaving in their droves, and it is so difficult to

:49:04. > :49:07.get into the tech -- the detective system that it has left a crisis. It

:49:08. > :49:13.feeds into the narrative that it is just one crisis after another.

:49:14. > :49:17.People are sensing they are not getting the service they deserve.

:49:18. > :49:23.OK, why couldn't a graduate with a degree in, I don't know, English

:49:24. > :49:28.literature take a course to learn some of the skills to become a

:49:29. > :49:31.detective, and then go on to become a successful detective? I'm not

:49:32. > :49:35.saying that they can't do it, the only thing is the time between them

:49:36. > :49:38.being a graduate - I was a graduate when I joined the net but there were

:49:39. > :49:42.certain skills are developed, interacting with the public, knowing

:49:43. > :49:45.when someone is lying to you, getting an understanding of how you

:49:46. > :49:50.map out the process of investigation. That doesn't come

:49:51. > :49:56.just online or through a website. So I believe there is going to be a bit

:49:57. > :50:00.of a risk when it comes to this transition to them being effective

:50:01. > :50:03.detectives. Briefly, Zoe Billingham, what about those skills you pick up

:50:04. > :50:08.that Leroy Logan has just talked about? These folks are not going to

:50:09. > :50:12.be thrown in at the deep end, they will be recruited, they will have

:50:13. > :50:15.the right skills, they will go through intensive training, they

:50:16. > :50:19.will work alongside other very senior detectives for a period of

:50:20. > :50:23.time working on perhaps less complex crimes to start with and then

:50:24. > :50:27.working at the more conflicts crime areas. If they have the right skills

:50:28. > :50:30.and qualities in order to be to do so. The public must be kept safe, at

:50:31. > :50:35.the end of the day, and this training needs to be intensive and

:50:36. > :50:40.conference. They have to be properly supervised, that is key. If they are

:50:41. > :50:44.not, and not the current situation where you have a higher ratio of

:50:45. > :50:49.constables, Detective constables and detective sergeants. They won't have

:50:50. > :50:52.the intrusive supervision to ensure it is not just a rubber stamp, go

:50:53. > :50:58.on, move on, they actually have the skills that they speak about. Will

:50:59. > :51:01.they be properly supervised? Absolutely, supervised all the way

:51:02. > :51:05.through their training and for many years into their qualifications as

:51:06. > :51:09.well. Does that reassure you, briefly? The jury's out. Thank you

:51:10. > :51:17.both of you. Tens of thousands of expat

:51:18. > :51:22.pensioners may return to the UK to use the NHS after Brexit,

:51:23. > :51:25.unless a deal can be done to let them keep receiving care abroad,

:51:26. > :51:29.a think tank has warned. The Nuffield Trust estimates

:51:30. > :51:32.the cost of treating them on home soil, rather than abroad,

:51:33. > :51:35.could double to ?1 billion. Currently, the UK gives around

:51:36. > :51:37.?500 million a year to EU countries that care for Brits

:51:38. > :51:47.who have retired abroad. Jean Moore originally

:51:48. > :51:49.from the West Midlands is one of the 190,000 pensioners living

:51:50. > :51:54.in the EU. I spoke to her in Spain a short

:51:55. > :51:57.time ago about the care I get excellent care here,

:51:58. > :52:03.and I am frightened. I didn't vote for Brexit,

:52:04. > :52:05.because I couldn't vote. And I'm frightened if I come back

:52:06. > :52:08.now, or when Brexit occurs, My arthritis has flared up

:52:09. > :52:17.really badly lately, and the hospital were worried,

:52:18. > :52:20.so they are going to start me on a new treatment,

:52:21. > :52:23.but they have to get permission I feel if I come back to the UK,

:52:24. > :52:30.I will not get this treatment. I'm 74 on June 10th, and if I have

:52:31. > :52:38.a seizure, I can't walk. My sons in England

:52:39. > :52:50.are worried about me. Fortunately, for me,

:52:51. > :52:53.I have a wonderful carer in my husband, who is 83 in August,

:52:54. > :52:57.and he helps me an awful lot. So the reason we're talking

:52:58. > :53:02.to you today, obviously, is because this report from a think

:53:03. > :53:04.tank suggesting that people like yourself might have to come

:53:05. > :53:08.back to the UK to use the NHS after Brexit, unless a deal can be

:53:09. > :53:11.done that allows you to continue receiving your care abroad,

:53:12. > :53:19.in Spain where you are right now. How hopeful are you that that sort

:53:20. > :53:23.of deal can be done? Well, I always look on the bright

:53:24. > :53:26.side and think, well, Britain will come through for us,

:53:27. > :53:29.because there's a lot of people in Spain who work in the UK,

:53:30. > :53:38.a lot of Spanish people. They will want their treatment

:53:39. > :53:41.the same, so if the UK and Spain reciprocate one another,

:53:42. > :53:47.we'll get on well. But if they go for a hard Brexit,

:53:48. > :53:51.and they refuse this NHS thing, I'm done for, I might as well go

:53:52. > :53:54.and get the funeral plan out Oh, Jean, you don't

:53:55. > :54:02.mean that, do you? I tell you what it is,

:54:03. > :54:05.I can't tell you how painful this It's like a silent disease,

:54:06. > :54:14.you look really healthy, but it's a crippling disease

:54:15. > :54:17.on the joints, and I'm just frightened that

:54:18. > :54:19.if I go back to the UK, Well, that was Jean, God bless her,

:54:20. > :54:42.her husband is her carer. He is 83. With me is Mark Dayan,

:54:43. > :54:45.who carried out the research, he's from the health charity

:54:46. > :54:50.the Nuffield Trust. Hello to you, Mark. So how real is

:54:51. > :54:55.this possibility that somebody like gene might have to come back to the

:54:56. > :55:00.UK for treatment? I hope a deal can be done, but we are some how going

:55:01. > :55:05.into the unknown with this. There are some countries outside the EU

:55:06. > :55:08.that have set up a reciprocal arrangement with the UK, Australia

:55:09. > :55:12.is one. When you consider how many countries there are across the EU to

:55:13. > :55:17.come to some sort of arrangement with. Yes, exactly, how many

:55:18. > :55:22.countries, and also a reciprocal arrangements are foreigners who are

:55:23. > :55:26.living here. Although relatively few EU migrants refuse to retire to

:55:27. > :55:30.Britain for reasons of cost and perhaps the weather, but certainly

:55:31. > :55:34.we would want that to be seen as a priority in Brexit negotiations. I

:55:35. > :55:37.think that is one of a range of issues where the NHS will be

:55:38. > :55:41.affected by Brexit, and what we want to see is it remaining at the centre

:55:42. > :55:45.of the government's minds as they come to these difficult

:55:46. > :55:50.negotiations. If a deal is reached, how much of an impact will it have

:55:51. > :55:54.on the NHS? There are a number of things that might be tricky for the

:55:55. > :55:56.NHS. Firstly, you would have these pensioners potentially having to

:55:57. > :56:00.return to Britain to get the care they need. That will cost a bit of

:56:01. > :56:04.extra money. Perhaps more importantly, added pressure on beds

:56:05. > :56:07.and nurses which are very stretch at the moment, it has been very

:56:08. > :56:11.inconvenient for pensioners like gene who probably like living where

:56:12. > :56:15.they are, and getting the care they do. Then there is the impact on

:56:16. > :56:19.staffing. At the moment the NHS is quite reliant on migrants from the

:56:20. > :56:23.EU to fill but unfortunately due to bad planning has become a big gap

:56:24. > :56:27.particularly around nursing. Lastly there is the market for medicine. At

:56:28. > :56:33.the moment the NHS really benefits from being able to buy medicine from

:56:34. > :56:38.across the EU, because it is all under the same pricing scheme.

:56:39. > :56:42.Right, and in terms of the nursing shortage, what is the situation

:56:43. > :56:47.right now? We already have a shortage of tens of thousands of

:56:48. > :56:49.nurses. An analysis by the Department of Health which was

:56:50. > :56:56.leaked show they think that could widen to as much as 20 to 50,000

:56:57. > :56:59.more unfilled posts by 2025, if all nursing migration was cut off after

:57:00. > :57:03.Brexit, which I don't think we want to see. And that is unlikely to see,

:57:04. > :57:07.because pretty much all the parties have said whether they want to bring

:57:08. > :57:11.net migration down or not, most of them have said it depends on the

:57:12. > :57:13.needs of the economy. So if we need nurses, you would like to think we

:57:14. > :57:19.would encourage nurses from abroad if we haven't got them here. That's

:57:20. > :57:24.what we are saying, and we are encouraged by the both main parties

:57:25. > :57:28.showing signs they have heard that concern. What I would say is in the

:57:29. > :57:32.past when there was a crackdown from migration from outside the EU, that

:57:33. > :57:35.really did push down the numbers, and the salaries weren't quite high

:57:36. > :57:39.enough to meet some of the standards. I am in Carriage Gate

:57:40. > :57:44.will be addressed but it is quite a real concern. Thank you very much.

:57:45. > :57:51.-- I am encouraged that it will be addressed. Thank you for your many

:57:52. > :57:56.comments on election blind dates. Mark on Facebook says I love these

:57:57. > :57:59.election dates, listening to normal people having sensible, constructive

:58:00. > :58:03.political discourse. What I love most is that the participants are

:58:04. > :58:08.actively listening to each other and having a normal conversation. Our

:58:09. > :58:12.political class should take note. John on Facebook, as an interesting

:58:13. > :58:18.follow-up, the right wing young lady should go on a life swap with a

:58:19. > :58:24.carer or somebody similar. Dawn on Facebook says this is the way me and

:58:25. > :58:32.my friends are. We don't agree on