05/06/2017

:00:07. > :00:13.Good morning. It is Monday, nine o'clock. Police investigating the

:00:14. > :00:17.terror attack in central London on Saturday night say they now know the

:00:18. > :00:24.identity of the three men who killed seven people and injured dozens of

:00:25. > :00:27.others. The very high priority for us is to try to understand whether

:00:28. > :00:34.they were working with anyone else, whether anybody else was involved

:00:35. > :00:37.with the planning. To find out the background to it.

:00:38. > :00:39.Police are searching two addresses in east London.

:00:40. > :00:41.Prime Minister Theresa May has been chairing a Cobra meeting.

:00:42. > :00:45.The so-called Islamic State group has claimed responsibility.

:00:46. > :00:48.When we do intervene in foreign policy we are blamed by jihadists,

:00:49. > :00:51.Where we don't intervene, like in Syria, we are

:00:52. > :00:59.blamed again by jihadists for not caring about Muslim lives.

:01:00. > :01:06.The first victim of the attack has been named as Christine Archibald,

:01:07. > :01:09.who was from Canada. Her family said she would have had no understanding

:01:10. > :01:12.of the callous cruelty that caused her death.

:01:13. > :01:14.In a show of unity, defiance and hope,

:01:15. > :01:18.some of the worlds leading artists joined forces with Ariane Grade

:01:19. > :01:21.to raise money for the 22 people killed in a suicide bombing at that

:01:22. > :01:26.I love you guys so much, and I think that the kind of love

:01:27. > :01:29.and unity that you're displaying is the medicine that the world

:01:30. > :01:56.So I want to thank you for being just that.

:01:57. > :02:03.Hello, good morning. This is Borough Market in south-east London and this

:02:04. > :02:08.is where three men, armed with knives, attacked revellers from all

:02:09. > :02:15.over the world on Saturday night in bars and restaurants as they were

:02:16. > :02:19.out having a good time. This morning, it is chilly, it is breezy,

:02:20. > :02:23.the rows behind me are closed because there is a police

:02:24. > :02:29.investigation going on. Over that way, vehicles and people... Excuse

:02:30. > :02:34.me. Although not as many as usual on Monday morning, vehicles and people

:02:35. > :02:40.are trying to find their way around the closed roads. London Bridge is

:02:41. > :02:44.closed to traffic. That is where the three men in that white van

:02:45. > :02:48.zigzagged across the bridge and run into pedestrians. It is open to

:02:49. > :02:51.pedestrians this morning. I was talking to one woman who always

:02:52. > :02:54.crosses that bridge, walks across it every morning on her way to work.

:02:55. > :03:00.She said it was eerily quiet this morning. Tonight, a vigil will be

:03:01. > :03:04.held to mark the terror attack this weekend that killed seven people and

:03:05. > :03:12.left dozens of others seriously injured.

:03:13. > :03:15.Onto the bridge on the left-hand side here, I saw a body on the left.

:03:16. > :03:18.There was a car with the hazard lights on.

:03:19. > :03:20.It was a cyclist, so I feel it's just another accident,

:03:21. > :03:22.another cyclist, and then I saw two bodies

:03:23. > :03:24.on the right-hand side, towards northbound.

:03:25. > :03:27.And then I had to stop at the traffic lights and I saw

:03:28. > :03:31.another body on the left next to the bus stop.

:03:32. > :03:33.And they run up, they stabbed this girl, I don't

:03:34. > :03:37.know how many times, ten times, maybe 15 times.

:03:38. > :03:40.She was going, "Help me, help me," and I could not do nothing.

:03:41. > :03:42.They were saying, "This is for Allah," and people,

:03:43. > :03:49.you could hear them screaming, they were getting stabbed.

:03:50. > :03:59.Many, many people risked their own safety to help others and to treat

:04:00. > :04:01.those seriously injured, and indeed to confront

:04:02. > :04:14.The suspects were wearing what looked like explosive vests,

:04:15. > :04:26.but these were later established to be hoaxes.

:04:27. > :04:28.Our country has made significant progress in disrupting plots

:04:29. > :04:46.But it is time to say enough is enough.

:04:47. > :04:49.Overnight, police have been searching properties in London as

:04:50. > :04:51.part of the investigation. Detectives are trying to establish

:04:52. > :04:56.if the three attackers had accomplices.

:04:57. > :05:01.11 people are being held. We are going to talk to people that were

:05:02. > :05:02.caught up in the attacks. Sonia Malhotra-Denny was paying

:05:03. > :05:05.the bill at a restaurant in the heart of the siege and had

:05:06. > :05:10.to hide in a broom cupboard. Eric Swiguenza was on the bridge

:05:11. > :05:17.and saw the van run people over before the attackers went

:05:18. > :05:21.on a rampage. And Richard Angell was

:05:22. > :05:23.trapped in a restaurant "If they have a problem with me

:05:24. > :05:45.having a G with my friends, flirting with handsome men

:05:46. > :05:47.and hanging out with brilliant women, then I'm

:05:48. > :05:51.going to do more of it." That is how you feel? Manchester

:05:52. > :05:55.showed amazing response to such hate two we see go, now falls to London

:05:56. > :05:58.to do the same. I think all of us are determined that this will not

:05:59. > :06:02.divide us. They didn't discriminate about their victims, they didn't do

:06:03. > :06:09.it in the name of any faith, they did it in the name of hatred and act

:06:10. > :06:12.of cowardice. What I saw was brilliant people who responded,

:06:13. > :06:15.somebody who gave us a heads up when they could have run away, somebody

:06:16. > :06:18.threw tables at these people when they were stabbing a young woman,

:06:19. > :06:21.somebody that put their way in front of the door so that people in my

:06:22. > :06:28.restaurant were safe. The police force have swept the streets really

:06:29. > :06:33.quickly. It felt like an age, but it was a short minutes and we were safe

:06:34. > :06:35.again. When we were meandering from the streets, avoiding shoes that

:06:36. > :06:40.people had kicked off, the blood, they had our eyes and ears. And the

:06:41. > :06:44.paramedics who ran towards danger, then turn their back on danger to

:06:45. > :06:47.put together the life in front of them. While we are running for our

:06:48. > :07:02.lives. They are remarkable people and great Londoners. Where were you

:07:03. > :07:06.and what happened? We were in the Brindisa, paying for our meal. A man

:07:07. > :07:13.came up and said, everybody get up and run, they are stabbing people,

:07:14. > :07:18.they have knives. We are showing the footage that you cook. We looked at

:07:19. > :07:23.him, nobody reacted for a second. He said, get up, move, it's a terrorist

:07:24. > :07:31.attack. We got up, another man came in, shouting something similar. It

:07:32. > :07:35.was all open, it was a nice evening. We hid on the floor, as it is open,

:07:36. > :07:38.it is hard to find somewhere to hide. Luckily, we found that some

:07:39. > :07:48.people had opened up a room at the back. It was like a tiny storeroom.

:07:49. > :07:58.I shouted to my husband Don said, --, I said, come on, let's run. We

:07:59. > :08:02.were very fortunate that we could find refuge in there. I know others

:08:03. > :08:07.were far less fortunate than we were in that restaurant. We read about

:08:08. > :08:11.Oliver and Maria that were in the restaurant at the same time, the

:08:12. > :08:14.same age as others, a couple like us, that unfortunately didn't have

:08:15. > :08:18.time to get to safety. We are just thinking about them at the moment.

:08:19. > :08:21.Of course, as we all are. Eric, hello to you. You managed to film

:08:22. > :09:12.some footage as well. What he showed chaos, really. I know

:09:13. > :09:16.you have had no sleep since Saturday, thanks for talking to us.

:09:17. > :09:23.We are really grateful. Tell us what you saw and where you were? I was

:09:24. > :09:27.with a friend, trying to get across to Monument. We saw the van driving

:09:28. > :09:31.on the wrong side of the road. The front had been smashed in, you could

:09:32. > :09:34.only see one headlight. It kept going to the left and right as if it

:09:35. > :09:39.was trying to stop. I first thought was that maybe the brakes had failed

:09:40. > :09:43.and this was a genuine accident. When it collided into a wall, people

:09:44. > :09:47.were jumping out of the way. Nobody got hurt from the initial impact of

:09:48. > :09:52.the van, but as soon as the three men stepped out, that is when,

:09:53. > :09:58.instantly, they started attacking people. They ran at them with

:09:59. > :10:01.knives, kicking them, just showing anger in their faces. That is when

:10:02. > :10:04.me and my friend didn't really know what to do. They made their way

:10:05. > :10:09.downstairs to Southwark Cathedral, where they had bars and pubs. People

:10:10. > :10:13.were outside, enjoying themselves. That is when they went down there,

:10:14. > :10:17.started attacking people. People didn't know what to do, they didn't

:10:18. > :10:21.know what was happening. Most of them were caught off-guard, there

:10:22. > :10:26.were getting stabbed, people were in disbelief as to what was happening.

:10:27. > :10:29.But they got to the end, people realise what was happening and try

:10:30. > :10:33.to defend themselves, throwing chairs, whatever they could to

:10:34. > :10:36.defend themselves. That is when the terrorists realised they were

:10:37. > :10:41.outnumbered and they turned around to head back towards the bridge.

:10:42. > :10:44.Unfortunately there was a woman standing with her bag, trying to

:10:45. > :10:52.realise what was going on. She was in the way and they stabbed her, she

:10:53. > :10:56.felt the ground and they finished the job, stabbing her again. The

:10:57. > :11:02.third one had disappeared. I don't know if he was making his way back

:11:03. > :11:05.up bridge towards us. That is why we decided it was best to run away and

:11:06. > :11:12.tell everybody they needed to get out. Extraordinary tales of people

:11:13. > :11:16.trying to take on the attackers, and of duty police officer, British

:11:17. > :11:23.Transport Police officer. I think you saw people throwing stuff at

:11:24. > :11:34.these attackers? A remarkable man through bottles, tables, he tried to

:11:35. > :11:38.throw a bike. He put our lives before his. I don't know who will be

:11:39. > :11:43.able to meet the people that did heroic acts saved all of our lives.

:11:44. > :11:48.We want to know they are remarkable people and we are so thankful. We

:11:49. > :11:54.are safe because of them. You are grateful for those people, you have

:11:55. > :11:58.said you feel so incredibly lucky. Monday morning, after this happened,

:11:59. > :12:04.you have had at least 24 hours to reflect on this, what are you

:12:05. > :12:10.feeling? Similar. Just really lucky, and really unlucky at the same time.

:12:11. > :12:14.Right now, all of our emotions and feelings are going towards people

:12:15. > :12:20.that had bad news, and whose families woke up to bad news. It was

:12:21. > :12:27.hard enough for us having seen it. I can't imagine what it would be like

:12:28. > :12:32.if it was worse. We are positive, but it is all about the victims.

:12:33. > :12:36.Last night, the Manchester concert really showed the unity and

:12:37. > :12:40.solidarity that this kind of event brings. We are bringing people

:12:41. > :12:47.together, it will not divide us. It has made us stronger. We just have

:12:48. > :12:52.to get on. We have them in our thoughts, but we have to move

:12:53. > :12:55.forward. How are you feeling? I was speaking with friends and family

:12:56. > :12:59.yesterday. They were saying how lucky me and my friend were to

:13:00. > :13:11.escape with our lives. We know that many other people were not as lucky

:13:12. > :13:14.as us. We just think that now you take into perspective that sometimes

:13:15. > :13:18.you just have to carry on with your life, even though you come across

:13:19. > :13:25.these obstacles. You just have to keep your head held high and keep

:13:26. > :13:29.striving to move forward. What about you, Richard? You want to say a life

:13:30. > :13:32.goes on and do keep remembering the seven people for whom it doesn't.

:13:33. > :13:35.You know, to be one of those family members that are sitting by

:13:36. > :13:39.somebody's bed right now, hoping that they come through, their

:13:40. > :13:43.experiences are ones where they need that time to reflect. I am going

:13:44. > :13:48.back to the restaurant that I went to come I think others are as well.

:13:49. > :13:51.I have a bill to pay. You got to pay yours come I need to pay my bill. I

:13:52. > :13:54.think they deserve a darn good tip for running in front of the door,

:13:55. > :13:59.finding the key, keeping us safe. These are people that weren't always

:14:00. > :14:04.born in London, but they are Londoners today and amazing part of

:14:05. > :14:09.our great city. I don't what small business to lose outcome I don't

:14:10. > :14:13.what the great diversity of our city to lose out. I have a friend from

:14:14. > :14:16.Sydney, and I hope I will host more people from all places around the

:14:17. > :14:21.world in the greatest city in the world. That is how determined we are

:14:22. > :14:27.on the back of that. Do any of you feel slightly apprehensive as this

:14:28. > :14:34.is the third terror attack in this country in three months? It is a bit

:14:35. > :14:42.more raw than you would like, maybe a bit more vigilant in the immediate

:14:43. > :14:46.aftermath. To a degree, yes. But I think Richard said it all. We've got

:14:47. > :14:52.to continue to celebrate this great city, great country. Is it OK if

:14:53. > :15:02.people don't feel defiant? Totally OK. We will all respond in different

:15:03. > :15:05.ways. My nerves feel shot. I feel the hear a loud noise, it makes me

:15:06. > :15:08.jump slightly more. All of us have gone through it in different ways.

:15:09. > :15:11.There are not enough support services out there for people. I

:15:12. > :15:18.don't know where to start finding them. I think we need to make sure

:15:19. > :15:22.the Government, other people are making services available to people.

:15:23. > :15:23.It is really hard to go through. Manchester has shown the way and

:15:24. > :15:36.London needs follow quickly. Thank you all. Thank you very much.

:15:37. > :15:39.Thank you. The sub-prime chairing a meeting of Cobra, that's the

:15:40. > :15:42.emergency committee meeting this morning.

:15:43. > :15:47.Norman Smith is at Downing Street. Hi Norman, what's the latest from

:15:48. > :15:53.there? Well, the PM is getting a briefing on what the police know now

:15:54. > :15:59.and I suppose central will be trying to understand more about these three

:16:00. > :16:03.terrorists, were they as Islamic State claim a detachment of Islamic

:16:04. > :16:07.State fighters or were they a much looser group of maybe friends or

:16:08. > :16:11.neighbours who became radicalised? They will try and get some sort of

:16:12. > :16:16.understanding of who these people were and then they will want to get

:16:17. > :16:21.a clearer picture of was there any support by other people? Is there a

:16:22. > :16:25.wider group who provided them with some sort of information,

:16:26. > :16:30.organisation, just to get a feel on how significant a threat these three

:16:31. > :16:34.were and then they will want to move on to the actual specific measures

:16:35. > :16:38.that might now be put in place and I guess one area which of course is

:16:39. > :16:41.going to be looked at is security on bridges because obviously we had the

:16:42. > :16:45.Westminster Bridge attack and now this one and if you go around

:16:46. > :16:49.London, many parts of London, there is bollards in most of the main

:16:50. > :16:52.streets to stop vehicles from going up on the pavement. If you go across

:16:53. > :16:57.the bridges, they are not so that would seem one area where we may see

:16:58. > :17:01.some changes and they will want to look at a greater police presence, a

:17:02. > :17:05.visible police presence as a way of trying to offer reassurance to

:17:06. > :17:10.people after this attack, but my thinking is we may get a clearer

:17:11. > :17:14.idea of what the Prime Minister is thinking in terms of

:17:15. > :17:17.counter-terrorism strategy and addressing radicalisation from a

:17:18. > :17:21.speech she is going to be giving straight after Cobra in which we

:17:22. > :17:25.might get a clearer sense of what she now regards as the next steps

:17:26. > :17:30.and we know some of it. We know she wants some sort of deal with the

:17:31. > :17:33.internet companies to get some sort of regulation of cyberspace. So far

:17:34. > :17:38.that's proved hugely difficult. Very, very hard. Some Tory MPs

:17:39. > :17:42.talking about could we fine these companies if they don't take down

:17:43. > :17:46.terrorist material? They have their operations in California or

:17:47. > :17:50.wherever, it is very difficult to see how do you that. We know too the

:17:51. > :17:56.Prime Minister is looking at beefing up the so-called Prevent Prevent

:17:57. > :18:01.strategy, the deregulation strategy, for money and more resources for

:18:02. > :18:05.that. There maybe a review of the successes to control orders which

:18:06. > :18:08.impose a sort of house arrest on people, widespread view at

:18:09. > :18:13.Westminster they are not tough enough and the last area, perhaps

:18:14. > :18:17.the most contentious area is this idea of confronting the ideology,

:18:18. > :18:21.trying to end the safe space in some communities where these sort of

:18:22. > :18:26.ideas are allowed to grow and I think we'll get that broader sense

:18:27. > :18:31.of the Prime Minister's approach after Cobra in this speech.

:18:32. > :18:34.Thank you very much, Norman, Norman Smith at Downing Street. He will be

:18:35. > :18:39.back with updates as you would expect throughout the day.

:18:40. > :18:43.Police investigating the terror attack say they know the identity of

:18:44. > :18:47.the three men who killed seven people and injured dozens of others

:18:48. > :18:51.and they say their names will be released as soon as operationally

:18:52. > :19:07.possible. We will talk to Richard Kemp. We will talk to someone who

:19:08. > :19:11.monitors the social media accounts of alleged Jihadists. Good morning

:19:12. > :19:15.to you all. Let me start with you Richard Kemp. The third terrorist

:19:16. > :19:19.attack to hit this country in three months. What's going wrong? Well,

:19:20. > :19:25.it's not the third terrorist attack, it's the third successful one. It is

:19:26. > :19:33.the eighth in that period since the attack on Westminster Bridge.

:19:34. > :19:41.Because five have been thwarted. That gives an indication. The

:19:42. > :19:45.Security Services and the police stopped so many attacks with

:19:46. > :19:50.professionalism, but the reality is they have got too many targets to

:19:51. > :19:52.deal with to be able to guarantee or stand a chance of guaranteeing that

:19:53. > :19:58.something isn't going to get through as we have seen in the last couple

:19:59. > :20:01.of months. OK. In terms of potentially our security officials

:20:02. > :20:07.being overwhelmed, at any one time, we know MI5 are looking at 500

:20:08. > :20:11.active investigations. There are 23,000 potential Jihadists according

:20:12. > :20:15.to them in this country and 3,000 subjects of interest. Is Richard

:20:16. > :20:19.Kemp right, somebody is going to get through because there are so many to

:20:20. > :20:24.try and monitor? Well, I think Richard is correct. The scale of the

:20:25. > :20:26.problem is huge at the moment and long before these attacks

:20:27. > :20:30.materialised the police and the Security Services were warning that

:20:31. > :20:33.something would get through the net and unfortunately we saw the first

:20:34. > :20:37.one get through in Westminster about ten weeks ago now and what happens

:20:38. > :20:42.with terrorism is that once you have a successful plot it then inspires

:20:43. > :20:46.others who are like minded to try and replicate that and that has

:20:47. > :20:50.provided a boom as we have seen over the last three months to other

:20:51. > :20:57.actors as well who want to engage in this type of activity. Philip, as a

:20:58. > :21:02.former intelligence officer, does that mean we have to be vigilant in

:21:03. > :21:08.case there are further attacks? Of course, we have to be vigilant in

:21:09. > :21:12.case there are further attacks. The security state we are at the moment

:21:13. > :21:15.is saying that further attacks are probable and the intelligence

:21:16. > :21:19.services will be looking at how they can try and identify them with the

:21:20. > :21:23.lessons they are picking up from the ones they haven't identified as

:21:24. > :21:29.quickly as possible. Theresa May said we had been too tolerant of

:21:30. > :21:34.extremism, do you agree? Totally. The finger pointed at a number of

:21:35. > :21:39.people including politicians, the Government, previous governments,

:21:40. > :21:43.over many years now as well as local communities, political parties,

:21:44. > :21:48.there is just too much emphasis on the rights and the Human Rights of

:21:49. > :21:52.the individuals who are involved in extremism over their potential

:21:53. > :21:58.victims and we are entering a very, very dangerous period. We are in a

:21:59. > :22:01.dangerous period. He is right when he says that terrorists imitate one

:22:02. > :22:05.another and inspire one another, but we have got at least 400 people now

:22:06. > :22:09.back from the Islamic State, they have been raping, and carrying out

:22:10. > :22:13.mass murder and torture in Iraq and Syria. Here they are, blood on their

:22:14. > :22:19.hands, trained and directed to kill and more to return so we're going to

:22:20. > :22:23.be facing more of this in a much more serious threat than we have

:22:24. > :22:26.ever had before. What we must do is stop anymore coming back. There are

:22:27. > :22:30.another 400 at least who haven't been killed in the Islamic State who

:22:31. > :22:33.will return if they are allowed to. That has to be stopped. Theresa May

:22:34. > :22:37.is right, we have to be less tolerant and we have to take the

:22:38. > :22:40.gruffs off and use the legislation that's available to us now to stop

:22:41. > :22:47.it. You don't have to have been to the training camps of Syria and Iraq

:22:48. > :22:51.to hire a white van and take a 12 inch knife to people having a good

:22:52. > :22:57.time on a Saturday night, do you? What we have seen in recent years is

:22:58. > :23:00.the dumbing down of terrorism if I can use that phrase. They will use a

:23:01. > :23:04.vehicle a knife, in order to launch an atrocity of the kind we have seen

:23:05. > :23:09.in London in the last couple of days. A plot then involves a

:23:10. > :23:14.returnee will be more sophisticated, it will involve more likely an

:23:15. > :23:20.explosive device and those plots tend to take more lives because the

:23:21. > :23:24.actors involved have a degree of expertise and sophistication, but

:23:25. > :23:29.comes as no comfort to the victims who are caught up in these things.

:23:30. > :23:34.Simplistic methods can take lives and bring capital cities like London

:23:35. > :23:38.to a halt. In addition to their expertise in terrorist attacks some

:23:39. > :23:42.of the returners are likely to be inspiring and motivating and

:23:43. > :23:46.recruiting and generally upping the tempo of the terrorist attack.

:23:47. > :23:50.Theresa May talked about further count irterrorism legislation, we

:23:51. > :23:55.have had dozen of pieces of counter-terrorism legislation

:23:56. > :23:59.introduced since 2000. Is there much left to legislate against and will

:24:00. > :24:04.it make much difference? The adjustment to the legislation will

:24:05. > :24:08.be important and the Government being proactive into the array of

:24:09. > :24:15.where the attackers are being motivated and that's through the

:24:16. > :24:20.internet and through grooming areas, not just Facebook and Twitter who

:24:21. > :24:23.are co-operating, but telegram and they have refused to co-operate with

:24:24. > :24:28.the international community, but trying to get them to take material

:24:29. > :24:31.down is only one step, trying to be proactive to counter that material

:24:32. > :24:34.online and get counter messages in place is what the Prime Minister

:24:35. > :24:41.will have to consider as part of this changing of the strategy. I

:24:42. > :24:45.mean, what do you do with a messaging app like Telegram which is

:24:46. > :24:49.encrypted end to end? What are you suggesting? Well, there are ways of

:24:50. > :24:52.looking at it. There is the means of trying to look at the content and

:24:53. > :24:57.the different methods that in there, but a lot is very well hiddenment

:24:58. > :25:01.they are extremely well trained in cyber security protective measures.

:25:02. > :25:05.The other way is to try and pen grate the groups in the same way

:25:06. > :25:08.that the Security Services penetrated terrorist groups in

:25:09. > :25:11.Northern Ireland, the same happens in different parts of the world. It

:25:12. > :25:16.is a very, very difficult thing to do. It is very resource intense and

:25:17. > :25:23.takes a long time, but that's one of the ways of having to deal with it.

:25:24. > :25:26.After the Manchester bombing, the independent reviewer of terrorism

:25:27. > :25:30.Richard Kemp, a man called Max Hill said we have an abundance of

:25:31. > :25:34.terrorism laws to meet the current threat. Is he right? We have an

:25:35. > :25:39.abundance of terrorism laws and we rarely use them. We have got 400

:25:40. > :25:43.returners and virtually none of them put anywhere form of control order

:25:44. > :25:51.and nor have charges been brought against any of them as far as I'm

:25:52. > :25:58.way ifr. We have -- I am aware. But even the control orders, the methods

:25:59. > :26:02.that exist are not strong enough. We need to look at strengthened

:26:03. > :26:06.legislation to get rid out of this country of people who shouldn't be

:26:07. > :26:12.here. More in a moment. More in a moment, continuing coverage on BBC

:26:13. > :26:15.News. We will continue our conversation about some of the

:26:16. > :26:25.things that Theresa May said yesterday. You just mentioned

:26:26. > :26:29.terrorism prevention methods. They were introduced in 2011, they are

:26:30. > :26:35.different from control orders. They are weaker. Six or seven people are

:26:36. > :26:37.subject to those. Control orders involved electronic tagging and

:26:38. > :26:42.curfews. Should they be brought back? This is a discussion as a

:26:43. > :26:46.society we're going to need to have. The legislation is there. It is

:26:47. > :26:50.about political will and it is about politicians judging the mood of the

:26:51. > :26:55.nation. What we have seen after this flurry of attacks now is that people

:26:56. > :26:59.are becoming frustrated and people want to see concrete steps and

:27:00. > :27:05.actions from the Government in a meaningful way that can mitigate the

:27:06. > :27:11.threat and manage it down. All these discussions about the various ways

:27:12. > :27:14.in which the State can look at bringing legislative approach to

:27:15. > :27:18.bear against this challenge, it is for us to have this debate about

:27:19. > :27:21.where we are comfortable in heading with regards to that. Philip, you

:27:22. > :27:25.are a former senior intelligence officer. If you were still working

:27:26. > :27:29.within the intelligence services, what would you be advising Theresa

:27:30. > :27:35.May to do right now? Well, it's trying to identify what has changed.

:27:36. > :27:40.Five attacks have been thwarted. Three have successfully got through.

:27:41. > :27:46.18 attacks since 2013. What brought the pace up? And look at that. What

:27:47. > :27:51.has allowed these individuals and small groups to get through to carry

:27:52. > :27:56.out successful attacks? How can we look for indicators for the future

:27:57. > :28:00.to stop it lapping? In terms of the monitoring the social media accounts

:28:01. > :28:06.of alleged Jihadists, what's your view about how they are becoming

:28:07. > :28:14.radicalised? We have seen a high water mark of social media was in

:28:15. > :28:18.2013 and 2014, it was easy to recruit people through Facebook,

:28:19. > :28:22.Twitter and Google. The landscape has changed despite what the Prime

:28:23. > :28:26.Minister said about social media companies. They are not on these

:28:27. > :28:33.platform, they are still there, but not in the way they used to be. It

:28:34. > :28:38.moved towards clandestine methods. Telegram is a platform they operate.

:28:39. > :28:43.It is the primary platform which groups like IS and Al-Qaeda are

:28:44. > :28:48.acting today. They are recruiting on these channels highlighting grieve

:28:49. > :28:52.Abses and building grievance narratives, ideology and promoting

:28:53. > :28:55.the notion of martyrdom to draw people into their view to carry out

:28:56. > :28:57.these types of attack. Thank you very much all of you. Thank you for

:28:58. > :29:15.coming on the programme. Let's talk about what happened in

:29:16. > :29:19.Manchester last night because it really was an amazing night. A night

:29:20. > :29:26.of unity. Of healing for some and also of joy. Some of the biggest

:29:27. > :29:29.names in music including Coldplay, Justin Bieber, Liam Gallagher joined

:29:30. > :29:35.Ariana Grande to raise money for the victims of the suicide bombing at

:29:36. > :29:38.the Manchester Arena just two weeks ago. Every person who was at the

:29:39. > :29:42.original Ariana Grande concert that night was offered a free ticket to

:29:43. > :29:44.the event which has raised millions of pounds. Here are some of the

:29:45. > :29:47.highlights. # It might seem crazy

:29:48. > :30:41.what I'm 'bout to say # Sunshine's here so

:30:42. > :30:47.she can take a break... We are here, and we are

:30:48. > :31:09.together, we are one! # You are, you are,

:31:10. > :31:24.you are everything... I want to thank you so much for

:31:25. > :31:27.coming together and being so loving I love you guys so much and I think

:31:28. > :31:37.that the kind of love and unity that you're displaying is the medicine

:31:38. > :31:39.that the world really So I want to thank you

:31:40. > :31:44.for being just that. What a better way to fight evil

:31:45. > :31:47.with evil, than to fight evil with good, would you guys

:31:48. > :31:50.agree with that? # All the times that

:31:51. > :32:02.you rained on my parade # And all the clubs you get

:32:03. > :32:07.in using my name... Let's just do this little exercise

:32:08. > :32:10.in love, just touch the next person, Look in their eyes,

:32:11. > :32:23.say, "I love you!" CROWD: # Don't look back in anger,

:32:24. > :33:31.don't look back in anger. It was really, really moving. A

:33:32. > :33:35.very, very special event. I'm just doing to bring you this news, it is

:33:36. > :33:38.the latest regarding the number of police officers who were injured on

:33:39. > :33:42.Saturday night. One British Transport Police officer and three

:33:43. > :33:50.Met Police officers were injured. The further two officers were both

:33:51. > :33:54.on duty Southwark officers. One was a plainclothes officer that received

:33:55. > :33:57.stitches to a head injury. A uniformed officer received an injury

:33:58. > :33:59.to his arm. The off-duty officer remains in hospital in a serious

:34:00. > :34:06.condition. Good morning. Let's bring you

:34:07. > :34:11.up-to-date with the latest on this fast-moving investigation. Police

:34:12. > :34:16.say they are surging two more addresses in east London, one in

:34:17. > :34:20.Newham and another in Barking. A total of six properties are being

:34:21. > :34:24.searched. It comes after 12 people were arrested in Barking yesterday

:34:25. > :34:28.following raids at a flat, believed to be the home of one of the

:34:29. > :34:33.attackers. A 55-year-old man has since been released without charge.

:34:34. > :34:36.The commission of the Metropolitan Police, Cressida Dick, has said they

:34:37. > :34:37.know the identity of the three attackers and the investigation is

:34:38. > :34:40.moving very quickly. A very high priority for us,

:34:41. > :34:42.obviously, is to try to understand whether they were working

:34:43. > :34:44.with anyone else, whether anybody else was involved in the planning

:34:45. > :34:48.of this attack, and to find out We've made a number of arrests over

:34:49. > :34:57.the last 24-36 hours. I think, at the moment,

:34:58. > :35:00.I'm right in saying we still have We've carried out searches

:35:01. > :35:05.in a variety of places in east London, and we've seized a huge

:35:06. > :35:10.amount of forensic material. So we're moving very quickly

:35:11. > :35:12.and we're working closely with the intelligence

:35:13. > :35:26.agencies in that work. Minister is chairing another meeting

:35:27. > :35:29.of the government's emergency committee Cobra. Earlier, the

:35:30. > :35:34.Culture Secretary Karen Bradley said the government would be reviewing

:35:35. > :35:40.its anti-terrorism strategy in view of what she called a unprecedented

:35:41. > :35:41.threat. Emily Thornberry has criticised the cuts to police

:35:42. > :35:42.numbers. The truth is, and it is a truth,

:35:43. > :35:45.the police are very stretched - You know, many of the armed police

:35:46. > :35:50.officers that you'll see on the streets here,

:35:51. > :35:52.come from all over and have had to be brought in,

:35:53. > :35:55.and when they are under a time of stress, we are relying

:35:56. > :36:03.on their goodwill. The first victim of

:36:04. > :36:05.the attack to be named is Canadian national Christine

:36:06. > :36:07.Archibald, who was 30. She'd moved to Britain

:36:08. > :36:09.to be with her fiance. A French citizen was also killed,

:36:10. > :36:13.and four other seriously hurt. Four Australians are also known to

:36:14. > :36:17.have been caught up in the attack. A total of 48 people were injured -

:36:18. > :36:34.21 of them remain critically ill. Let's go to new Scotland Yard, where

:36:35. > :36:39.Danny Shaw is. What is the latest? Well, the latest is that the police

:36:40. > :36:43.are trying to piece together the events of Saturday night and find

:36:44. > :36:47.out as much as they possibly can about the background of the three

:36:48. > :36:52.perpetrators and their associates. They have amassed an enormous amount

:36:53. > :36:56.of material, both from the van that was used in the attack, friends

:36:57. > :37:00.material from the scene and also from searches at various properties

:37:01. > :37:04.that are still going on. 11 people in custody. They are being

:37:05. > :37:11.questioned on suspicion of terrorism offences. From those interviews,

:37:12. > :37:14.police will try to glean as much information about the perpetrators,

:37:15. > :37:19.whether they are linked to people here, whether they have links

:37:20. > :37:21.overseas. Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner,

:37:22. > :37:26.said in most of the recent cases they have seen most of the plots in

:37:27. > :37:30.the UK, the attacks that have taken place, there has been a domestic

:37:31. > :37:35.centre of gravity, as she put it. It is not something that has been

:37:36. > :37:38.directed from overseas. These are still early stages of the

:37:39. > :37:41.investigation. There is still a huge amount of material to go through. We

:37:42. > :37:46.have seen a pattern in these inquiries where you get a large

:37:47. > :37:50.number of arrests early on. Then many people are released without

:37:51. > :37:56.charge later as investigators discover that there are no links to

:37:57. > :38:00.the main attackers. It is clear that police are dealing with something

:38:01. > :38:04.they have not had to deal with before, for many, many years. Three

:38:05. > :38:09.attacks in less than three months, a sense that each attack is

:38:10. > :38:12.encouraging other people to launch further atrocities. That is

:38:13. > :38:15.something that the police are now having to adapt and deal with.

:38:16. > :38:21.Cressida Dick was making clear that there needs to be changing the way

:38:22. > :38:27.that the police, enforcement and communities respond to this new type

:38:28. > :38:31.of threat. Thank you very much. Danny Shaw, outside New Scotland

:38:32. > :38:38.Yard. Theresa May is due to speak, we are told, at about 9.40 five. We

:38:39. > :38:42.will bring that to you. You may have heard her words on the streets of

:38:43. > :38:46.Downing Street, when she said enough was enough, as election campaigning

:38:47. > :38:47.resumes in full. How will politicians around London help to

:38:48. > :38:51.unite the capital? Let's talk now to Neil Coyle,

:38:52. > :38:54.who is the Labour candidate for Bermondsey and Old Southwark -

:38:55. > :38:56.the attack happened Tom Brake is the Liberal Democrat

:38:57. > :38:59.candidate for Carshalton Wallington in Greater London

:39:00. > :39:01.and is their spokesperson Rushanara Ali is the Labour

:39:02. > :39:06.candidate for Bethnal Green Dominic Raab is the Conservative

:39:07. > :39:22.candidate for Esher and Walton. Good morning to all of you. Mr Raab,

:39:23. > :39:27.three successful terrorist attacks in three months. Theresa May said,

:39:28. > :39:30.after six years as Home Secretary and a year as Prime Minister, there

:39:31. > :39:36.has been too much tolerance of extremism. Is that an admission of

:39:37. > :39:39.failure on her part? I think it is a different type of terrorism are

:39:40. > :39:44.merging, copycat Lone Wolf or small groups. Our approach is

:39:45. > :39:49.straightforward. We want to see more armed police officers on the

:39:50. > :39:52.streets. We are investing in that. You can see from the response to the

:39:53. > :39:58.horrific attack on London Bridge that the time from the report to the

:39:59. > :40:03.armed police dealing with the terrorists was eight minutes. We got

:40:04. > :40:06.some of the very best equipped, resourced and train people dealing

:40:07. > :40:10.with this. Also, we need to get that poison of the internet. That is

:40:11. > :40:17.easier said than done. We've got to work with internet companies, with

:40:18. > :40:22.international partners. You got to degrade Islamic State, which is the

:40:23. > :40:25.inspiration, rather than the controlling organisation for some of

:40:26. > :40:29.these attacks where we can. We have seen that in Syria and Iraq and I

:40:30. > :40:32.think it is important. It is one piece of the jigsaw, so to speak,

:40:33. > :40:37.that we have a Government that is willing to do that. There is no

:40:38. > :40:43.silver bullet. You need to put the pieces together. Can I ask why it

:40:44. > :40:49.hasn't been done thus far? Well, we have been investing in 1500 extra

:40:50. > :40:52.armed police officers. We have invested in more than that in terms

:40:53. > :40:57.of intelligence officers. The nature of the threat has shifted. It has

:40:58. > :41:01.morphed over time. Remember from Al-Qaeda, the great spectacular

:41:02. > :41:06.attacks, very well planned and organised, much easier to pick up in

:41:07. > :41:10.relation to intelligence. Radicalisation online has been going

:41:11. > :41:13.on for years? But the nature of it, and the nature of the internet,

:41:14. > :41:17.technological advances have changed. This is something we need to do more

:41:18. > :41:21.of. Theresa May has been talking about this for a while. We need to

:41:22. > :41:24.get internet companies working with others, particularly to download

:41:25. > :41:30.extremist material more quickly. We also need to recognise that there is

:41:31. > :41:34.an international approach. I am not giving you a silver bullet or magic

:41:35. > :41:42.wand. At these are the areas that we will address. In Theresa May, you

:41:43. > :41:45.have a Home Secretary who has been relentlessly protecting this country

:41:46. > :41:51.from terrorist attacks for six years. Also presided over 20,000

:41:52. > :41:54.cuts to the police, 20,000 fewer police officers, you acknowledge

:41:55. > :42:00.that? Guillemot writing it is an extraordinary thing for Labour to

:42:01. > :42:03.throw that at us. -- I think it is an extraordinary thing. We had some

:42:04. > :42:07.of the injuries to an armed police. We have to focus on what is required

:42:08. > :42:11.to deal with this specific threat. We put more investment into armed

:42:12. > :42:14.police and we have got... I think what this is really about is that

:42:15. > :42:17.the leader of the Labour Party has woken up and realised his policy on

:42:18. > :42:22.shoot to kill command disarming the police, is totally unfit for the

:42:23. > :42:28.nature of the threat we face. Let's put that to some of the Labour

:42:29. > :42:31.candidate that we have here. Labour candidates, Jeremy Corbyn said last

:42:32. > :42:34.night I will take whatever action is necessary and effective to protect

:42:35. > :42:40.the security of our people and country, that includes for authority

:42:41. > :42:43.for the police of the country to use whatever force is necessary,

:42:44. > :42:46.including for authority to use whatever force is necessary. Would

:42:47. > :42:50.Jeremy Corbyn, if he were Prime Minister, authorise police officer

:42:51. > :42:56.shooting to kill? That is what he said yesterday. You believe he would

:42:57. > :42:58.follow through? That is what the community is to hear. I have been

:42:59. > :43:02.proud to represent the community and lived here for many years. Many of

:43:03. > :43:05.the businesses affected are trying to get back to normal and people

:43:06. > :43:09.need to know whoever is in government, the police will have for

:43:10. > :43:15.authority, powers and resources to tackle the problems. Tom Brake, the

:43:16. > :43:22.Liberal Democrats seem to be suggesting that a report

:43:23. > :43:25.commissioned by David Cameron on Saudi Arabia, potential funding of

:43:26. > :43:29.extremism, is being suppressed. What is your evidence for that? We know

:43:30. > :43:33.the report has been drafted and we are just surprised it has not been

:43:34. > :43:37.released. We requested the report be published because we had concerns

:43:38. > :43:41.about Saudi Arabia funding some of the more extreme mosques in the

:43:42. > :43:50.United Kingdom. The Saudi Arabian government? Funding Wahhabi Islamic

:43:51. > :43:55.mosques. We want an OS that is happening, and to what extent it is

:43:56. > :43:57.happening. Whether it is fuelling extremism in the United Kingdom. We

:43:58. > :44:04.don't know why the government are sitting on it. Let's talk about

:44:05. > :44:10.Wahab -- Wahhabi Islam, a strict form which comes from Saudi Arabia,

:44:11. > :44:19.and some say is close to Islamic State ideology? That is why the

:44:20. > :44:21.report needs to be published. The government position is that we are

:44:22. > :44:25.working closely with our allies, that the British people are entitled

:44:26. > :44:34.to know if there's in the report that says it is finding its way into

:44:35. > :44:39.England. It is distasteful to talk about the mosques where we know that

:44:40. > :44:42.most radicalisation is done online. The manifesto would undermine the

:44:43. > :44:49.police ability to undertake full investigations and monitor e-mail

:44:50. > :44:52.communications in particular. I am sorry Neil has chosen to make this a

:44:53. > :44:59.political ding dong. The fact is, as a party, in our manifesto, we have

:45:00. > :45:03.promised to deliver 10,000 extra police. In government, we also

:45:04. > :45:09.funded a much more security services. And you also saw 20,000

:45:10. > :45:13.fewer police officers? The fact that we are now willing to put the ?300

:45:14. > :45:21.million into funding 10,000 extra police officers is a recognition of

:45:22. > :45:27.that fact. Theresa May scrapped control orders when she was Home

:45:28. > :45:35.Secretary. Control orders restricted liberty to protect people from

:45:36. > :45:38.terrorism. TPIMs replace them. I spoke to experts say they are weaker

:45:39. > :45:38.than control orders. Should we consider bringing control orders

:45:39. > :45:49.back? Can I express my deep condolences to

:45:50. > :45:52.the victims' families and to the victims themselves and also appeal

:45:53. > :45:55.to everyone to work together with the police to tackle some of the

:45:56. > :46:01.challenges that we face as a city and also as a country. On security

:46:02. > :46:06.issues, I think we do as the Government has said, we do need to

:46:07. > :46:16.look at and review Prevent and the strategy. We have called for the

:46:17. > :46:19.Government successfully for years to review t counter-terrorism strategy

:46:20. > :46:26.what has worked and what has failed and that's fallen on deaf ears. It

:46:27. > :46:30.is about hearts and minds, isn't it? It is absolutely. It is about that.

:46:31. > :46:34.It's also as my colleagues have said about making sure that our police

:46:35. > :46:38.and emergency services get the support they need and we have seen

:46:39. > :46:42.not only 20,000 police officers being cut, but also police and

:46:43. > :46:47.Community Support Officers through the eyes and ears of the police and

:46:48. > :46:53.when you do that, it has gone down from 5,000 to 1800 in London, when

:46:54. > :46:56.you do that, you weaken the resilience of our police service.

:46:57. > :47:04.They are at breaking point and Theresa May needs to take

:47:05. > :47:08.responsibility. Dominic, Theresa May needs to take

:47:09. > :47:13.some responsibility? Well, we know that crime is down by a third, but

:47:14. > :47:19.if you want to deal with terrorism it is misleading and not understand

:47:20. > :47:23.the problem to think that ordinary police officers as trained as they

:47:24. > :47:27.maybe and as dedicated they maybe will be able to deal with the

:47:28. > :47:30.horrific attacks we saw and over the week at London Bridge and I worked

:47:31. > :47:40.at London Bridge before and I know that area rather well, we had armed

:47:41. > :47:44.officers showing incredible bravery, but skill because they feared they

:47:45. > :47:47.were dealing with people carrying explosives. You need to have the

:47:48. > :47:51.armed officers. They need to be trained and you need to be willing

:47:52. > :47:55.to allow them to do the job which will mean as we saw on Saturday

:47:56. > :47:59.shooting to kill. In relation to some of the other stuff we've talked

:48:00. > :48:01.about, look, there is always going to be a review of terrorism

:48:02. > :48:05.particularly in light of the changes and the fact that we have had three

:48:06. > :48:09.attacks recently and I think we need to hold our nerve and though the

:48:10. > :48:15.public that we are united and it would be good if we had a united

:48:16. > :48:19.front on armed officers and we do need to be willing to allow them to

:48:20. > :48:24.shoot terrorist suspects in order to protect the public and indeed in

:48:25. > :48:28.relation to dealing with Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, I'm not

:48:29. > :48:33.talking about wholesale involvement, but when you've got a clear leader,

:48:34. > :48:38.Islamic State inspiring the attacks we're seeing in the UK, I do think

:48:39. > :48:42.we need a leader that's got what it takes and is willing to take the

:48:43. > :48:45.decision that deals with that and it is only Theresa May that's showing

:48:46. > :48:52.that she is the one able to take the very difficult decisions.

:48:53. > :48:59.Cressida Dick Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police said she didn't

:49:00. > :49:02.think it was necessary to see police officers routinely armed? We have

:49:03. > :49:06.got to get the balance right between arming police officers and ensuring

:49:07. > :49:09.that we have the kind of policing that we had in this country which is

:49:10. > :49:14.unique. We have to protect that and the public trust in the police is

:49:15. > :49:19.exemplary and we need to work with the police and as I say again we

:49:20. > :49:22.have got to look at how to strengthen community policing in our

:49:23. > :49:28.country again. Do you agree with Cressida Dick on that? We need to

:49:29. > :49:34.review whether we have sufficient armed response officers available on

:49:35. > :49:40.patrol, but the principle of British police being armed is the right one.

:49:41. > :49:46.Key events there needs to be, the public need to know that there are

:49:47. > :49:50.armed police available if there is an incident, but the local policing

:49:51. > :50:02.is just as important, if not more so. OK. Thank you very much. Thank

:50:03. > :50:08.you. Pf Thank you to Tom Brake, Neil Coyle,

:50:09. > :50:17.Labour candidate for Bermondsey and Old Southwark.

:50:18. > :50:21.And the Conservative candidate. We are at Borough Market in

:50:22. > :50:27.South-East London. This is where on Saturday night three men armed with

:50:28. > :50:32.knives decided to run up and down this main area and attack revellers

:50:33. > :50:37.from all over the world who happened to be having a drink, having a meal

:50:38. > :50:43.in the bars and restaurants. That, after, they had taken a white van

:50:44. > :50:52.and driven it at pedestrians on London Bridge. It caused carnage on

:50:53. > :50:57.Saturday night. Chaos, panic. But so many tales of extraordinary heroism

:50:58. > :51:00.actually and bravery from all sorts of people, from waiters and from

:51:01. > :51:04.restaurant owners and from off duty police officers. There are over

:51:05. > :51:08.eight million people living in London.

:51:09. > :51:11.It's one of the most diverse cities in the world.

:51:12. > :51:13.Saturday night here in London Bridge the streets would have been

:51:14. > :51:16.bustling with tourists and late night drinkers.

:51:17. > :51:22.This attack was a deliberate attack on Londoners way of life,

:51:23. > :51:25.but the mood amongst people living in the city is similar

:51:26. > :51:33.to that we say in Manchester just two weeks ago.

:51:34. > :51:38.Defiance, and a refusal to let terrorists win.

:51:39. > :51:44.Talking to some people who were in Borough Market on Saturday night,

:51:45. > :51:48.their nerves are raw, they are apprehensive and they said it's OK

:51:49. > :51:53.not to feel defiant if you don't want to.

:51:54. > :52:25.What is the right way to react? You have to continue to use the city. It

:52:26. > :52:29.is our city. We have to continue the way we do. I walk around London

:52:30. > :52:33.every day on my daily ka mute, but we have to be aware that this is

:52:34. > :52:38.happening, but we have to stay vigilant, but we can't give in. I

:52:39. > :52:43.would echo the same thing. This is, I live ten minutes away. This is my

:52:44. > :52:48.city, my home, it's where I live, it's where I work, it's where I go

:52:49. > :52:53.out, if we stop doing that, it let's the people who are doing this win,

:52:54. > :52:57.we have to vigilant, but we can't fear, we need to step up and just

:52:58. > :53:03.carry on. It reminds me of that picture of World War II, the milkman

:53:04. > :53:08.where the bombs have come down and it's a mess around him, but he is

:53:09. > :53:12.carrying on. Would it be so bad if people wanted to stay at home with

:53:13. > :53:18.their kids and gather in and think I'm not going it that sporting

:53:19. > :53:22.event. I'm not going to that gig? We need to club together and we need

:53:23. > :53:26.solidarity. The worst thing is to turn on each other. So even if

:53:27. > :53:30.people feel scared, it's OK to feel that fear because we need to stay

:53:31. > :53:34.alert. This is something that's horrifying thing to happen. It's a

:53:35. > :53:37.horrifying thing people have to think about, but we really need to

:53:38. > :53:41.make sure that it doesn't change the fact that we live in one of the best

:53:42. > :53:46.cities in the world and we need to stay strong and stay brave. What

:53:47. > :53:51.would you say? As a resident who lives in the Borough Market area, we

:53:52. > :53:55.are a little bit shaken, but on the whole the community is a very

:53:56. > :53:58.diverse and united community and everything we had planned for today,

:53:59. > :54:02.tomorrow and this whole week is going on and will keep going on and

:54:03. > :54:06.we have events planned which we won't be cancelling and will be

:54:07. > :54:09.making sure that we happen which show unity and strength in this

:54:10. > :54:15.community. We are a very diverse and we are very unified. I would echo a

:54:16. > :54:22.lot of what everyone said. I think it's very clear that everyone will

:54:23. > :54:30.say, be vigilant, be determined, don't let the terrorists win, but on

:54:31. > :54:33.the other hand, I would say, you know, I'm from the local newspaper.

:54:34. > :54:37.There is nothing wrong with being true to your feelings, fur angry, if

:54:38. > :54:41.you are upset and if you want to stay at home, stay at home. In the

:54:42. > :54:46.weeks that will come out of this, we need to bear in mind exactly how

:54:47. > :54:51.horrific and how much of an effect it will have on people and people

:54:52. > :54:56.need to feel comfortable and to be able to say, "Well, you know, I do

:54:57. > :55:01.need help." Because your heart goes out to all those people that have

:55:02. > :55:06.lost people that are going to be going through probably one of the

:55:07. > :55:08.most, well, the most tremendous loss that they ever experienced in their

:55:09. > :55:20.lives. There are people that are now maimed. There are people that seen

:55:21. > :55:24.such horrific things and will they recover from. I would like to see in

:55:25. > :55:29.the weeks to come, us bearing that in mind as well and being able to

:55:30. > :55:34.give that support because when it dies down and everything goes away

:55:35. > :55:39.and you know there is another story like we do in our own paper, I know

:55:40. > :55:44.that, you know, the victims are left behind and that's when it really

:55:45. > :55:50.hits home. So I hope that as well as show unity now, that the local

:55:51. > :55:54.community has a sense of compassion and actually being there for the

:55:55. > :55:58.people because an awful amount of people have been affected. For

:55:59. > :56:01.everybody who has lost their life, for everybody who is injured, the

:56:02. > :56:05.ripple effect amongst familiar will you and friends, it is just

:56:06. > :56:09.devastating, isn't it? It really is. And it ripples out across the whole

:56:10. > :56:13.city and we have to be incredibly grateful for everything the

:56:14. > :56:16.emergency services did or the local people who, many of whom ran into

:56:17. > :56:22.danger just to try and do anything that they could do to protect

:56:23. > :56:26.others, but yes, it leaves a terrible, terrible wake behind of

:56:27. > :56:32.people who have lost people, to people who have life changing

:56:33. > :56:40.injuries. I was at Tower Bridge before the

:56:41. > :56:44.incident happened and I left after breaking my fast and I was feeling

:56:45. > :56:48.sleep yu and half-way going down Tooly Street I changed my mind, it

:56:49. > :56:52.was a miracle and I changed my mind and I can't really imagine what the

:56:53. > :56:57.people that were there at the time of the ins didn't what they were

:56:58. > :57:03.going through and the families. I really can't imagine, but know, my

:57:04. > :57:06.mum and my family, they were calling me constantly, they wanted to know

:57:07. > :57:11.what was happening to me. My heart goes out to the people who have been

:57:12. > :57:17.affected by this. Sarah, you said, "We've got to be defiant or they

:57:18. > :57:21.win." What does defiance means in terms of how does that manifest

:57:22. > :57:26.itself, what do you mean in practical terms? I think it's really

:57:27. > :57:30.important as much as possible just to carry on living lives in the same

:57:31. > :57:34.way and not to change the way that we are a democratic country, we care

:57:35. > :57:38.about each other, we are a compassionate country, what I would

:57:39. > :57:41.hate to see happen is for us to turn on the Muslim community and I don't

:57:42. > :57:45.want to see a spike in hate crimes because of this. I want to see

:57:46. > :57:51.people clubbing together, staying, you know, true to the values that

:57:52. > :57:58.make Britain really great. I would agree. It's carrying on with

:57:59. > :58:02.our day-to-day lives, being aware, not profiling and stereotyping each

:58:03. > :58:06.other because I feel like if we profile or stereotyped each other

:58:07. > :58:10.for what one race or religion has done to another, the world would be

:58:11. > :58:17.a mess. We have to carry on and I think love is a big thing within

:58:18. > :58:22.this and unity will make us sure that we are united as a nation.

:58:23. > :58:26.Kevin, briefly, this area would be much, much busier on a Monday

:58:27. > :58:31.morning right now, wouldn't it? Yes. I mean, in recent years this area

:58:32. > :58:35.has become so busy. Saturday night is one of the most busiest nights

:58:36. > :58:40.and yesterday, it felt very much like it was 20 years ago when there

:58:41. > :58:46.want this huge buzz around Borough Market. It would be busy. This is a

:58:47. > :58:48.local area for me and for the pay, but it is a landmark in London.

:58:49. > :59:04.Thank you all very much, thank you. It's get the latest

:59:05. > :59:11.weather update with Carol. For Scotland and Northern Ireland,

:59:12. > :59:15.we have got a day of sunshine and showers. This rain continues to

:59:16. > :59:17.sweep down in the direction of the south-east. The far south-east

:59:18. > :59:22.hanging on to brighter conditions for longest. However, we will see

:59:23. > :59:26.that rain cross accompanied by gusting winds as we go through the

:59:27. > :59:29.course of tonight. Gales across the Bristol Channel and south-western

:59:30. > :59:32.approaches and the rain still ensconced across Northern England

:59:33. > :59:35.moving in across Scotland, but it's not going to be a cold night.

:59:36. > :59:40.Tomorrow morning we start off with that rain. Again, in the same areas.

:59:41. > :59:44.We will have rain down the East Coast of England, but for the rest,

:59:45. > :59:47.Wales and Northern Ireland, it is a day of sunshine and showers. Some of

:59:48. > :59:52.the showers will be heavy and thundery, but they will be blown

:59:53. > :59:55.along on that strong wind. And then for Wednesday, we see the last of

:59:56. > :00:00.the rain pushing off into the North Sea. A lot of dry weather behind it.

:00:01. > :00:02.Still mild. The next system coming into the west accompanied by gusty

:00:03. > :00:07.winds with a high of 20 Celsius. Hello, it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock,

:00:08. > :00:09.I'm Victoria Derbyshire. In a fast-moving investigation

:00:10. > :00:14.into Saturday's terror attack on London Bridge,

:00:15. > :00:16.police are searching addresses in east London and say they've

:00:17. > :00:19.seized a huge quantity There have been a number of arrests

:00:20. > :00:25.and police know the identities of those who carried

:00:26. > :00:29.out the attacks. A very high priority for us,

:00:30. > :00:32.obviously, is to try to understand whether they were working

:00:33. > :00:34.with anyone else, whether anybody else was involved in the planning

:00:35. > :00:37.of this attack, and to find out The Government's emergency

:00:38. > :00:46.committee, Cobra, has been meeting to discuss the latest

:00:47. > :01:00.on the investigation. Senior politicians: big internet

:01:01. > :01:01.companies to do more to police cyberspace or face the threat of

:01:02. > :01:05.multi-million pound fines. Bottles, glasses, a table,

:01:06. > :01:08.he tried to throw a bike at them because he saw these cowardly people

:01:09. > :01:10.stabbing this young woman I can't believe he did it

:01:11. > :01:20.and we're so thankful to him. People who were here

:01:21. > :01:22.on Saturday have told us They also spoke of the incredible

:01:23. > :01:27.bravery by some to save Bottles, glasses, a table,

:01:28. > :01:32.he tried to throw a bike at them because he saw these cowardly people

:01:33. > :01:34.stabbing this young woman I can't believe he did it

:01:35. > :01:52.and we're so thankful to him. The first victim has been named. She

:01:53. > :01:57.was Christine Archibald from Canada and she was 30 years old. Her family

:01:58. > :01:59.said she would have had no understanding of the callous cruelty

:02:00. > :02:01.that caused her death. It was an evening of

:02:02. > :02:03.tears and defiance - some of the worlds leading artists

:02:04. > :02:05.joined forces with Ariana Grade to raise money for the 22 people

:02:06. > :02:09.killed in a suicide bombing at that I love you guys so much and I think

:02:10. > :02:17.that the kind of love and unity that you're displaying is the medicine

:02:18. > :02:19.that the world really So I want to thank you

:02:20. > :02:51.for being just that. Good morning. This is Borough

:02:52. > :02:56.Market, this is where, on Saturday night, three men with knives decided

:02:57. > :03:02.to attack revellers as they sat in bars and restaurants. It was a hot

:03:03. > :03:09.evening, late Saturday night, about 10.10. The people did not know that

:03:10. > :03:12.these three men had already taken a white van to pedestrians on London

:03:13. > :03:17.Bridge. We spoke to eyewitnesses. You will have seen many over the

:03:18. > :03:20.last few hours, describing the horror, the devastation, the chaos,

:03:21. > :03:26.panic and screaming, but also remarkable tales of bravery from all

:03:27. > :03:29.sorts of people, from waiters, restaurant owners, of Judy rugby

:03:30. > :03:33.playing police officers, from a British Transport Police officer

:03:34. > :03:39.armed only with a bat on who, it is reported, tar, those three men --

:03:40. > :03:45.was taking on those three men as they walked around the market with

:03:46. > :03:48.knives. The main theme, which is becoming familiar, is you just have

:03:49. > :03:53.to get on with your life, despite what has happened. Of course,

:03:54. > :03:56.everybody's thoughts are with those that lost their lives and those

:03:57. > :04:00.relatives trying to work out why on earth this has happened to their

:04:01. > :04:01.families. We will bring you up-to-date with the latest this

:04:02. > :04:04.morning. This A brief glimpse of the three

:04:05. > :04:07.knifemen as they headed So-called Islamic State has now

:04:08. > :04:11.claimed responsibility. The police investigation

:04:12. > :04:14.continues apace. In East Ham, a man scrambled

:04:15. > :04:16.across buildings before In Barking, in east London,

:04:17. > :04:23.12 people were arrested - seven of them women -

:04:24. > :04:25.as the police searched properties thought to be

:04:26. > :04:28.linked to the attackers. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner

:04:29. > :04:31.says they need to know if the attackers were part

:04:32. > :04:34.of a wider network, and she says policing methods

:04:35. > :04:38.will have to be adjusted. We in this country have faced

:04:39. > :04:42.a terrorist threat again. Throughout my life, actually,

:04:43. > :04:44.that threat changes, it morphs and we will change

:04:45. > :04:48.and adapt to what appears to be The list of those killed and injured

:04:49. > :04:58.reflects the cosmopolitan 30-year-old Christine

:04:59. > :05:02.Archibald was from Canada. She'd moved to London

:05:03. > :05:04.to be with her fiance. Her family said she would not have

:05:05. > :05:07.understood the callous cruelty The French Foreign Minister said

:05:08. > :05:13.a French national had died 21 people are still in

:05:14. > :05:17.a critical condition. A British Transport policeman

:05:18. > :05:22.and an off-duty officer Police know the identities

:05:23. > :05:27.of the three attackers. They say they won't release

:05:28. > :05:48.their names until, in their words, That Police Commissioner, Cressida

:05:49. > :05:55.Dick, has praised the extraordinarily brave actions by on

:05:56. > :05:58.and off duty officers first on the scene, and who run towards the

:05:59. > :06:03.danger. There have been such incredible tales of bravery by

:06:04. > :06:06.normal people as well, who are not trained to do this. The cab driver

:06:07. > :06:12.who tried to drive directly into the attackers. Pub goers who are

:06:13. > :06:19.throwing pint glasses at them and passers-by attending the wounded.

:06:20. > :06:23.It was a white transit van, with a male driver.

:06:24. > :06:25.There's several casualties, there's people missing,

:06:26. > :06:27.pedestrians who were behind me, police can't find them, and, yeah,

:06:28. > :06:41.There was a bar full of people there, just having a good time,

:06:42. > :06:44.and they went running straight into them, and then people,

:06:45. > :06:55.you could hear them screaming, they were getting stabbed.

:06:56. > :06:58.When they first see him, they went, "This is for Allah," and they run

:06:59. > :07:01.up, they stabbed this girl, I don't know how many times,

:07:02. > :07:03.ten times, maybe 15 times, and she was going, "Help me,

:07:04. > :07:05.help me," and I could not do nothing.

:07:06. > :07:09.Got to the end, we held our hands up so they knew that we weren't part

:07:10. > :07:12.of anything, then they ushered us through and we managed to get

:07:13. > :07:16.So you managed to get back into your house?

:07:17. > :07:24.I was scared because when you see police running,

:07:25. > :07:26.they were running for a reason, they looked pretty scared.

:07:27. > :07:28.They were being really honest with us, the police

:07:29. > :07:31.presence was amazing, but it was very, very scary.

:07:32. > :07:46.This one guy walked out in the road, managed to grab the attention of one

:07:47. > :07:49.of the police cars and basically force them down that road saying,

:07:50. > :07:52."Look, you have to go down Stoney Street, you have to go down

:07:53. > :07:55.there, he's down there," and so this one police 4x4 screeched down

:07:56. > :07:57.Stoney Street and then easily within five seconds

:07:58. > :07:59.there were six gunshots, or what to us sounded

:08:00. > :08:13.You didn't hear any shouting from the police,

:08:14. > :08:18.Well, we saw the car go down the road, and it was just out

:08:19. > :08:20.of our view that you heard the screech and then six

:08:21. > :08:24.That's what I remember, exactly that, very quickly,

:08:25. > :08:31.And I saw two officers, a woman and a man officer,

:08:32. > :08:34.and I told them, "I know where they are," so we run back.

:08:35. > :08:39.Well, it was guns, I thought it was stun grenades going off,

:08:40. > :08:41.and they were lying on the floor, dead.

:08:42. > :08:44.I'm just so angry about it, but the way I see it,

:08:45. > :08:50.They need to fight these people and put a stop to them,

:08:51. > :08:59.We can talk now to some of those who captured

:09:00. > :09:04.Liam Connell was enjoying a friend's birthday drinks when armed police

:09:05. > :09:06.stormed their bar forcing them all under the tables

:09:07. > :09:11.for their protection and Florin Morariu is a Romanina

:09:12. > :09:13.baker who helped shelter 20 people and fought

:09:14. > :09:15.the attackers with a crate - he joins us now

:09:16. > :09:25.Richard was in the Southwark Tavern just before the attack began. He was

:09:26. > :09:34.visiting London and is back in Taunton. We can talk to all of them.

:09:35. > :09:40.You are famous on social media because of what you are throwing at

:09:41. > :10:09.the attackers. Tell us what you did? TRANSLATION: I started working at

:10:10. > :10:14.7.40. At 10.20 in the evening... There is a very big window at the

:10:15. > :10:25.bakery, four and a half metres. In front of it... I saw complete chaos

:10:26. > :10:33.in front of the bakery, through that window. So, I told my colleague, we

:10:34. > :10:44.should go out and see what is happening.

:10:45. > :10:52.When we went out, we saw two Brazilian women. There were crying

:10:53. > :10:59.and they were scared. They asked us for shelter.

:11:00. > :11:07.We took them inside and we gave them a glass of water so they could

:11:08. > :11:23.recover a little. Then we asked what all the fuss was about outside.

:11:24. > :11:28.So, we were told that from London Bridge, all the way to Borough

:11:29. > :11:33.Market, there is a van, the people get off the van and kill people in

:11:34. > :11:38.the street. We asked where these guys were.

:11:39. > :11:45.They said they could be anywhere. They didn't know.

:11:46. > :12:03.We went outside, with myself, two crates, to defend myself. You went

:12:04. > :12:06.out with two Grits? Yes. -- Two crates. To the right of the bakery,

:12:07. > :12:15.there is an exit from the Borough Market. There were a lot of very

:12:16. > :12:42.scared people coming out of this exit. I went over there. I walked

:12:43. > :12:44.six metres. I saw nobody. On an alley, to my left, Borough Market,

:12:45. > :12:59.there were four people. There was a very relaxed man, just

:13:00. > :13:06.walking out of Borough Market. Was that one of the attackers? No. When

:13:07. > :13:18.did you see them? I am looking at one, one normal man. In the back,

:13:19. > :13:32.two people. One is further back. These two guys are coming. They have

:13:33. > :13:35.the knives. These guys were down. You saw the attackers plunging the

:13:36. > :13:48.knives into revellers? Yes. Together, the two guys. What made me

:13:49. > :13:55.look, it was scary. Sir TRANSLATION: I also felt pity for the victims. I

:13:56. > :14:02.didn't know how to handle things. I thought, I'm also in danger. I just

:14:03. > :14:21.threw my crate up them. I threw the first one and I knew he

:14:22. > :14:24.was going to dodge it. Whilst he was dodging it, I was walking towards

:14:25. > :14:25.him and I hit him in the head with the second crate but I had in my

:14:26. > :14:41.hand. So, the moment I hit him in the head

:14:42. > :14:52.with a crate, behind him was a police car coming towards us. They

:14:53. > :14:58.were shouting that I should just run away, because they were going to

:14:59. > :15:02.throw a grenade. This is absolutely extraordinary. You went to the

:15:03. > :15:04.attackers with knives, who had already plunged the knife into

:15:05. > :15:24.somebody, you went towards them? TRANSLATION: Yes, I went towards

:15:25. > :15:30.them because I felt pity for the person that was lying on the ground.

:15:31. > :15:41.I wanted to save both of us. It could have been possible there

:15:42. > :15:45.were a few other terrorists in the market. Nobody knew how many there

:15:46. > :15:49.were out there. Well, what you did was remarkable. Thanks. No, thank

:15:50. > :16:14.you. TRANSLATION: The police threw the

:16:15. > :16:19.grenade and it blew off and I runaway. Thank you so much. Stay

:16:20. > :16:26.here. Stay here. Liam, hello. Hi. What do you think of that first of

:16:27. > :16:36.all? It's crazy. That's incredible. That's real stuff. It's normal. It's

:16:37. > :16:40.normal. Maybe it's your mother, your father, it's my mother, it's my

:16:41. > :16:46.father. It's normal. No help. Cho half chance. Maybe check have one

:16:47. > :16:57.chance. It's simple, yes. Have one chance. I'm sorry for these guys

:16:58. > :17:06.that died. It's possible, help. It's possible, help. Liam, where were

:17:07. > :17:12.you? So I was at a Belgium beer place. And we were a couple of doors

:17:13. > :17:16.down from the Wheat she have. We didn't know what was going on. We

:17:17. > :17:19.started to get evacuate and then armed police came in and we just had

:17:20. > :17:26.to drop to the ground. That carried on for a bit. I was filming as it

:17:27. > :17:30.went on and then we were told... We're showing our audience your

:17:31. > :17:34.footage now? I just filmed from the get go and then one of my friends

:17:35. > :17:39.said someone from outside is behind you. So me and my friend went over

:17:40. > :17:42.to him and at first I didn't really know what he around his neck, but

:17:43. > :17:50.then it turned out that he had been stabbed in the neck. So my friend

:17:51. > :17:53.sat down with him and we were calming him down whilst we held the

:17:54. > :17:57.bandage against his neck and the police were making sure he was OK

:17:58. > :18:04.and got him out to paramedics quickly. Were you calm? How would

:18:05. > :18:07.you describe how you were? It was definitely scary, but at first I

:18:08. > :18:11.didn't think it was a terrorist attack. I thought it was a solo

:18:12. > :18:15.incident and I just thought people were getting worried. I think

:18:16. > :18:20.because I was filming it, it was a good distraction. I just wanted to

:18:21. > :18:27.film it and get it out there rather than sit down and worry. Texting

:18:28. > :18:32.family and stuff, is scary. Let me bring in Richard. Richard hello. I

:18:33. > :18:37.hope you can hear me OK. Tell us how it was from your point of view? We

:18:38. > :18:42.were in the Southwark Tavern having a quick drink before an event at the

:18:43. > :18:48.Shard which was going to start at 10.30pm. We got in there about

:18:49. > :18:52.9.30pm and I just bought a round of drinks and settled down. Noticed

:18:53. > :18:56.that there was a little bit of trouble out on the street. There

:18:57. > :19:01.seemed to be a couple of Saturday night guys having a disagreement and

:19:02. > :19:04.the bouncer had to get involved and we thought nothing of it. It was

:19:05. > :19:09.just the sort of thing that goes off. Carried on with the drink.

:19:10. > :19:14.Ordered a little bit of food and then we decided at about ten o'clock

:19:15. > :19:22.that we should perhaps make our way. We were going to walk up Stoney

:19:23. > :19:26.Street and London Bridge Station to the Shard. There was a couple of

:19:27. > :19:30.girls crying and we naturally thought it was a continuation of

:19:31. > :19:36.what had gone on previously. So we thought right, let's get out.

:19:37. > :19:41.Fortunately for us, the girls in the group decided that they needed to

:19:42. > :19:52.nip to the loo quickly. And it kind of delayed our leaving two or three

:19:53. > :19:57.minutes. We probably left the pub at about 10.05pm, 10.06pm not realising

:19:58. > :20:02.that the two girls had been involved in some sort of the knife attack,

:20:03. > :20:05.whether they had seen stuff that we hadn't, piecing it together

:20:06. > :20:09.afterwards that's what happened. And we walked out into the street and

:20:10. > :20:15.yeah, it was like walking out into a film set. It was people running

:20:16. > :20:18.around in terror. We saw a couple of people who were injured, one

:20:19. > :20:26.particularly badly. He was covered in blood. Walking down towards us.

:20:27. > :20:31.Being helped. And really our story is one of no heroism or bravery, we

:20:32. > :20:36.really looked to get out of there as quickly as we could along with

:20:37. > :20:43.everybody else. Headed up towards the station. My friends were well

:20:44. > :20:48.ahead of us and my wife was ahead of me and I stopped to ask somebody in

:20:49. > :20:52.the station what was happening who told me that there were men out

:20:53. > :20:58.there who were running around randomly knifing and slashing people

:20:59. > :21:05.which kind of meant that OK, I'm piecing this together now and at

:21:06. > :21:11.that moment we heard the gunshots crack out very loudly, five or six

:21:12. > :21:17.in rapid succession. And at that point that create add whole new wave

:21:18. > :21:24.of panic I think amongst everybody. My wife was... Sorry for

:21:25. > :21:28.interrupting. May I ask you, does it make you think differently at all

:21:29. > :21:34.about coming to the capital or not at all? No, not at all. I think, my

:21:35. > :21:39.respect goes out to all the people in London and any other major city

:21:40. > :21:47.who has to live with this kind of fear now day-to-day. We live down in

:21:48. > :21:51.Cornwall. I happen to be in Taunton today just for work, but it's a

:21:52. > :21:56.different world. It's, day-to-day fear of this sort of thing happening

:21:57. > :22:01.is there for all these people that we just don't experience. Having

:22:02. > :22:06.experienced it on Saturday night you understand the phrase, "Terror

:22:07. > :22:12.attack." That's what it enduces, it is terror and panic and confusion

:22:13. > :22:19.and bewilderment all at once and it is really douf process. I have some

:22:20. > :22:26.messages here from people watching around the country. Corina, these

:22:27. > :22:36.are messages from our viewers, they are directed at Florin. John says,

:22:37. > :22:47."This Romanian hero is so brave and so modest." Thank you.

:22:48. > :22:50.And another man says the Romanian man on at BBC News is a hero. I have

:22:51. > :23:08.total respect, thank you. I have respect for other people. You

:23:09. > :23:13.have respect for other people? Yeah. They are similar. Chris says, "The

:23:14. > :23:19.Romanian man who saved people's lives is a hero. He calls it normal

:23:20. > :23:24.that he risked his life for others. Dese serves so much." Professor

:23:25. > :23:28.says, "This Romain began guy is so brave. People complain about

:23:29. > :23:35.immigrants. Give him citizenship now." Another viewer says, "That

:23:36. > :23:37.Romanian chap is amazing. I'm really impressed by these Londoners of all

:23:38. > :23:55.nationalities." TRANSLATION: I didn't want to do

:23:56. > :24:05.this to get any benefit or to be on the telly. I did it because I felt

:24:06. > :24:13.this way. I think it's just human. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank

:24:14. > :24:20.you Corina. Very nice to meet you. Thank you. Thank you to to Richard

:24:21. > :24:23.in Taunton. 48 people were taken to hospital after the attack on

:24:24. > :24:28.Saturday. 21 of them are clit injured. Simon Jones is at King's

:24:29. > :24:34.College Hospital where some of them are being treated. What's the latest

:24:35. > :24:38.from there, Simon? Well, the hospital has told me this morning

:24:39. > :24:41.that here they are still treating eight men and six women. They

:24:42. > :24:46.weren't able to give me any details on their condition, but what we do

:24:47. > :24:51.know is 21 people as you say remain in a critical condition across five

:24:52. > :24:55.hospitals here in the capital. We've also had further details of injuries

:24:56. > :24:58.to police officers. There was an officer from the British Transport

:24:59. > :25:03.Police who was injured in the attack. An off duty Met police

:25:04. > :25:08.officer and we've learnt two further police officers were injured. One

:25:09. > :25:11.was in uniform and another was a plain clothed officer and another

:25:12. > :25:15.one suffered an injury to his head and had to have stitches and another

:25:16. > :25:19.an injury to their arm. There has been a huge amount of praise from

:25:20. > :25:24.NHS bosses and members of the public about the emergency teams who headed

:25:25. > :25:28.into that dangerous situation. We know that the Ambulance Service

:25:29. > :25:32.arrived on the scene within six minutes of getting the call and ran

:25:33. > :25:35.into danger when many would have had the inclination to do the opposite

:25:36. > :25:40.thing. We've heard this morning from one consultant at a nearby hospital

:25:41. > :25:44.who really sums up the situation. He said he just finished his shift. He

:25:45. > :25:48.was heading home on his bike when he saw a huge number of police officers

:25:49. > :25:52.and the emergency services and ambulances around the London Bridge

:25:53. > :25:58.area. So he simply turned his bike around and went back into hospital.

:25:59. > :26:01.He said there, by the time the first patients arrived, the full resus

:26:02. > :26:05.team was in place with people on call coming in and other staff

:26:06. > :26:10.members volunteering to come in when they heard about what had happened.

:26:11. > :26:14.He said the injuries that some had sustained were truly awful to the

:26:15. > :26:17.extent that it was clear that the attackers had stabbed them with the

:26:18. > :26:21.intention of killing them, but those who survived, some, the injuries

:26:22. > :26:25.were so bad that they were unable to speak, they were in such a state of

:26:26. > :26:28.shock about what happened. He said initially around eight people in

:26:29. > :26:31.that hospital went to the operating theatre straightaway and another

:26:32. > :26:36.eight went the following morning and it has been a difficult time too for

:26:37. > :26:41.the staff who have stepped up. The NHS says they will be given support

:26:42. > :26:45.because there has been training for scenarios like this and a number of

:26:46. > :26:48.training exercises have taken place recently in London so staff were

:26:49. > :26:52.prepared, the imagine plan came into place, but I don't think anything

:26:53. > :26:56.truly prepares them for having to deal with the injuries they saw and

:26:57. > :27:00.deal with this situation in reality. So, a lot of praise for the

:27:01. > :27:05.emergency staff and we are expecting an update from the hospital here

:27:06. > :27:10.which is still treating 14 patients at 11.30am this morning. Thank you

:27:11. > :27:16.very much, Simon Jones reporting from King's College Hospital. As

:27:17. > :27:20.Florin our Romanian baker was leaving, people were going up to him

:27:21. > :27:24.and shaking his hand. They were wanting to say thank you to him. It

:27:25. > :27:30.was really, really moving and special. Saturday's terror attack

:27:31. > :27:36.led to those questions how do you tackle extremism? How do you make

:27:37. > :27:42.sure men don't become radicalised? How best to tackle extremism.

:27:43. > :27:45.We can now speak to Nazir Afzal, former Association of Police

:27:46. > :27:53.and Crime Commissioners chief executive.

:27:54. > :27:54.Zubeda Limbada, director of counter-extremism

:27:55. > :28:03.Shabnam Nasimi, former Prevent officer who worked with people

:28:04. > :28:15.We are expecting to hear from Theresa May any minute now. You will

:28:16. > :28:19.have heard her say yesterday we have got to have embarrassing and

:28:20. > :28:25.difficult conversations to counter the evil ideology of the people who

:28:26. > :28:31.attacked Borough Market, London Bridge on Saturday night. What do

:28:32. > :28:34.you think she means? Well, don noma she means. There is a strong case

:28:35. > :28:38.for saying the conversation are happening and they are happening

:28:39. > :28:42.alover the country. They need to be reinforced. People have become

:28:43. > :28:45.complacent. It's always the case that these individuals that carried

:28:46. > :28:50.out these attacks in Manchester where I live or London where I work,

:28:51. > :28:56.don't represent Islam. In fact they represent Islam in the same way that

:28:57. > :29:02.KKK with their burning crosses represent Christianity. What are the

:29:03. > :29:07.conversations? Give me an example of an embarrassing and difficult

:29:08. > :29:11.conversation? You shouldn't be listening to individuals who don't

:29:12. > :29:15.want to engage with your communities. Islamists have been

:29:16. > :29:18.telling people not to vote because they think democracy is against

:29:19. > :29:23.their religion. Those people need to be told to get out of the mosques,

:29:24. > :29:27.get out of the places of worship and get out of the communities and be

:29:28. > :29:29.told that they have no place in terms of the Britain that we love

:29:30. > :29:38.and we want to be part of. Whose job is it to say get out of

:29:39. > :29:42.the mosque? The people within the mosque, and I are doing it. I know

:29:43. > :29:48.they have been doing it in Manchester, I don't know about

:29:49. > :29:51.London. The reality is that these are things the community themselves

:29:52. > :29:57.have to take ownership of. And they have done. But they can't just rely

:29:58. > :30:00.upon the leaders. Too often, the authorities engage with so-called

:30:01. > :30:04.community leaders. The white community don't have leaders. These

:30:05. > :30:09.people don't represent the young Muslims. Most Muslims are under 25,

:30:10. > :30:13.female. Yet somehow, their voices are heard, but young people, their

:30:14. > :30:17.voices aren't heard. I think we need to work differently. We need to work

:30:18. > :30:23.with women's groups, with young people. Ultimately, that is how we

:30:24. > :30:26.tackle this issue going forward. We have got to somehow isolate,

:30:27. > :30:32.marginalise those people that think that simply by going to a meeting

:30:33. > :30:43.they have done their bit. We have heard what he was saying, it is a

:30:44. > :30:48.huge problem, multifaceted, but where do we begin? You need to build

:30:49. > :30:54.trust and confidence, something that is practical. Theresa May said we

:30:55. > :31:00.would have to have difficult and embarrassing conversations. I

:31:01. > :31:04.welcome that. However, Prevent, the counterterrorism strategy, has been

:31:05. > :31:08.going since 2007. The thing is whether conversations aren't

:31:09. > :31:11.happening, yes, it is as simple as that, the government needs to engage

:31:12. > :31:15.with wider communities, it needs to build trust and confidence.

:31:16. > :31:22.Sometimes, the perception with the community is that the Prevent

:31:23. > :31:28.strategy about spying on the Muslim community. Talking to people and

:31:29. > :31:32.building trust will be essential. It is one unnamed friend of one of the

:31:33. > :31:36.attackers, claiming to have called the anti-terrorism hotline about one

:31:37. > :31:42.of the individuals that carried out the attack on Saturday night.

:31:43. > :31:46.Somebody who was friends with the Manchester bomb claimed to have

:31:47. > :31:48.called the anti-terrorism hotline or certainly called authorities to

:31:49. > :31:53.report the fact that there was something wrong and he was

:31:54. > :31:56.justifying all kinds of jihadi attacks. So there is some trust

:31:57. > :32:01.there, but that information doesn't appear to be being acted on? That is

:32:02. > :32:05.right. The issue we are having is that we are not engaging as much

:32:06. > :32:12.with the community. Their voices need to be heard. We need to ensure

:32:13. > :32:18.the right supporters and -- support is provided at the right time.

:32:19. > :32:21.Through grass work local community work, ensuring that communities are

:32:22. > :32:26.at the heart of Prevent, they address the vulnerabilities and the

:32:27. > :32:29.issues within that relevant community. When you say

:32:30. > :32:36.vulnerabilities, you're talking about people who are vulnerable to

:32:37. > :32:40.extremism and radicalisation? Yes. In practical terms, somebody like

:32:41. > :32:45.yourself goes into an airy and does what? The vulnerabilities are

:32:46. > :32:49.firstly a lack of identity, understanding where they come from.

:32:50. > :32:55.How do you reach them? They will not come to you, they are online, being

:32:56. > :33:01.radicalised? Recently I was in a secondary school and I was talking

:33:02. > :33:05.about extremism and how it happens. Three young schoolchildren came up

:33:06. > :33:07.to me after the session and said it was really important, it was really

:33:08. > :33:15.insightful. But their parents had said to them that, actually, don't

:33:16. > :33:18.talk about Prevent, don't talk about extremism at school because you

:33:19. > :33:24.could be arrested. There is a sense of fear in terms of what it means to

:33:25. > :33:28.be engaged. When we go into school, we talk about safe spaces. Teachers

:33:29. > :33:34.are not always sure, because of confidence issues, about talking

:33:35. > :33:39.about radicalisation. It might be basics, how does extremism happen?

:33:40. > :33:46.We talk about how extremism happens face to face and online. Where

:33:47. > :33:50.people are, in terms of knowing where the recruitment methods are

:33:51. > :33:56.and what they can do, it seems to be something that needs to be better

:33:57. > :34:01.understood. The government needs to engage beyond a minority of the

:34:02. > :34:06.community, particularly with young people and women. Pick up on that

:34:07. > :34:09.point, if you Community engagement with young people is key. When

:34:10. > :34:15.another core of the family, they are the ones we need to work with to

:34:16. > :34:17.ensure awareness around radicalisation, the threat that

:34:18. > :34:27.their children face is identified. Thank you very much for your time. I

:34:28. > :34:41.really appreciate it. Thank you to you both.

:34:42. > :34:46.We are broadcasting from Borough Market, the scene of the third

:34:47. > :34:51.successful terror attack in this country in three months. There have

:34:52. > :34:55.been more raids by police. Two more properties in east London are being

:34:56. > :34:59.search this morning. Witnesses heard bangs and what they said sounded

:35:00. > :35:04.like shots. More people have been detained in an investigation that is

:35:05. > :35:08.described by the Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick ours

:35:09. > :35:11.quickly move on. -- as quickly moving.

:35:12. > :35:14.A very high priority for us, obviously, is to try to understand

:35:15. > :35:16.whether they were working with anyone else, whether anybody

:35:17. > :35:19.else was involved in the planning of this attack, and to find out

:35:20. > :35:23.In Downing Street Theresa May has been chairing another

:35:24. > :35:24.meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee.

:35:25. > :35:33.She's spoken in the last few minutes.

:35:34. > :35:39.She will be speaking in the next few minutes, I should say. I do

:35:40. > :35:41.apologise. As soon as she does, we will bring that to you.

:35:42. > :35:44.The first victim of the attack to be named is Canadian national

:35:45. > :35:53.She'd was visiting Britain with her fiance.

:35:54. > :35:57.A French citizen was also killed, and four other seriously hurt.

:35:58. > :36:00.Four Australians are also known to have been caught up in the attack.

:36:01. > :36:11.A total of 48 people were injured - 21 of them remain critically ill.

:36:12. > :36:19.Last night in Manchester, that concert that Ariana Grande had

:36:20. > :36:23.arranged, there was love, joy and sadness, as she and other stars

:36:24. > :36:26.performed onstage almost two weeks after the suicide bomber killed 22

:36:27. > :36:29.people at her concert in the city. Around 50,000 people attended

:36:30. > :36:31.the One Love Manchester benefit gig last night to raise money

:36:32. > :36:50.for the victims of the attack. 11 million people in the UK watch

:36:51. > :36:53.the concert last night, which has so far raised ?2 million for victims of

:36:54. > :37:07.the attack, all organised by Ariana Grande.

:37:08. > :37:49.# It might seem crazy what I'm 'bout to say

:37:50. > :37:55.# Sunshine's here so she can take a break...

:37:56. > :38:20.We are here, and we are together, we are one!

:38:21. > :38:33.# You are, you are, you are everything...

:38:34. > :38:36.I want to thank you so much for coming together and being so loving

:38:37. > :38:45.I love you guys so much and I think that the kind of love and unity that

:38:46. > :38:47.you're displaying is the medicine that the world really

:38:48. > :38:53.So I want to thank you for being just that.

:38:54. > :38:56.What a better way to fight evil with evil, than to fight evil

:38:57. > :38:58.with good, would you guys agree with that?

:38:59. > :39:09.# All the times that you rained on my parade

:39:10. > :39:15.# And all the clubs you get in using my name...

:39:16. > :39:18.Let's just do this little exercise in love, just touch the next person,

:39:19. > :39:37.Look in their eyes, say, "I love you!"

:39:38. > :39:39.CROWD: # Don't look back in anger, don't look back in anger.

:39:40. > :40:44.Lets talk to Nicole Smith, who was at the concert two weeks ago and

:40:45. > :40:48.that the benefit gig last night. Hello, how are you? I'm fine, thank

:40:49. > :40:57.you. Thank you very much for talking to us. What was it like for you last

:40:58. > :41:00.night? It was definitely very emotional. It was nice to be there,

:41:01. > :41:04.great to be in that kind of environment again. Yes, it was

:41:05. > :41:08.really emotional to be experiencing that kind of thing again. Thinking

:41:09. > :41:16.back to those that were injured and everything. Tell us how the last

:41:17. > :41:20.couple of weeks have been. It's been really, really hard. I found it

:41:21. > :41:24.quite hard to leave the house and things like that. I have managed to,

:41:25. > :41:28.but it has been quite hard and I have been very jumpy. A lot of

:41:29. > :41:38.things play on your mind, things like that. Obviously you found it

:41:39. > :41:44.hard to go out, but I wonder, in terms of Artsnight, did that -- in

:41:45. > :41:52.terms of last night, did not help you in any way? EU definitely. I

:41:53. > :42:01.definitely feel a bit more confident now. I feel more comfortable going

:42:02. > :42:09.to certain places again. Thank you very much for talking to us. That's

:42:10. > :42:12.OK. Nicole Smith, who was at the benefit concert last night and he

:42:13. > :42:20.was at the concert in Manchester two weeks ago.

:42:21. > :42:28.Theresa May's plans to regulate the internet to combat extremism have

:42:29. > :42:33.been described as intellectually lazy. She accused big internet

:42:34. > :42:35.companies of giving terrorist ideology the safe space it needs to

:42:36. > :42:38.breed online. Lets talk now to Sajda Mughal, a 7/7

:42:39. > :42:41.survivor who now works to educate women on spotting extremism

:42:42. > :42:53.in their children, Abdel Bari Atwan editor of the Journal

:42:54. > :42:57.of Cyber Policy who says the role of social media in countering

:42:58. > :43:03.radicalisation is a grey area. First, your reaction to Theresa May,

:43:04. > :43:08.saying we have to start policing this space online? I would say that

:43:09. > :43:16.speech yesterday caused a lot of consternation amongst many of my

:43:17. > :43:20.colleagues. However,... Why? It seems like a knee jerk reaction.

:43:21. > :43:27.Theresa May's own record with regard to the internet, when we look at

:43:28. > :43:30.very severe surveillance laws, which she put forward, the investigatory

:43:31. > :43:36.Powers act, we have some of the most strict laws in the Western world.

:43:37. > :43:42.She has a tendency towards authoritarianism online. I think

:43:43. > :43:45.that is why it has caused alarm. However, the social media platforms

:43:46. > :43:50.themselves do an awful lot of curating and they do an awful lot of

:43:51. > :43:59.editing of what we see online. If it is done well, having some public

:44:00. > :44:02.interest in that mix, currently it is completely secretive and

:44:03. > :44:04.completely private, done by California companies. I don't think

:44:05. > :44:13.that is a satisfactory situation either. How do you come at this

:44:14. > :44:16.committee in what the Prime Minister says and, frankly, what politicians

:44:17. > :44:19.have been saying for a while, we have to do something about the

:44:20. > :44:22.internet, which seems almost impossible. Facebook are saying they

:44:23. > :44:28.are going to try to make the platform more hostile. How do you

:44:29. > :44:38.approach this? There has been a lot of talk over the years. I am a 7/7

:44:39. > :44:45.survivor, that is what changed my life and meant I started tackling

:44:46. > :44:49.radicalisation. The action is there. What I want to see happen is for the

:44:50. > :44:53.action to continue. It is heartening to hear the Prime Minister saying

:44:54. > :44:56.online, families and the home, the work is being done thereby us,

:44:57. > :45:01.through our programme. But I've got to be honest with you, there is a

:45:02. > :45:08.lot of red tape. I want to overcome that red tape. Give me an example? A

:45:09. > :45:13.lot of talking. A lot of talking and back and forth. The example is that

:45:14. > :45:16.we have a project which is tried and tested, it has delivered, we have

:45:17. > :45:22.had to take a step back. That shouldn't be the case. Why is that?

:45:23. > :45:28.Because of the red tape. I don't understand. The toing and froing. It

:45:29. > :45:28.means we are not delivering. Then people are potentially being

:45:29. > :45:39.radicalised online. Even if you have got mums

:45:40. > :45:44.intervening, you have got Muslim mums, what ages are we talking

:45:45. > :45:47.about? 11 plus. And they stopped them because they realised what

:45:48. > :45:52.their kids were doing. It is getting involved in their lives. Having that

:45:53. > :45:57.deep involvement actually that parental control so to speak. Which

:45:58. > :46:00.is the key here and that's why our work is centred around mothers

:46:01. > :46:05.because they are the key change makers. They are the first ones to

:46:06. > :46:08.spot the signs. Then I'm going to say to you, look, we can get mums

:46:09. > :46:15.and dads policing what their kids are doing on the internet. Then

:46:16. > :46:17.you've got messaging apps like Telegram, only the sender and

:46:18. > :46:25.receiver can see what's messaged which is what we're told the Jihadis

:46:26. > :46:30.are using now? Yes. I think to just develop your point I think we are

:46:31. > :46:33.thinking about the online spaces different from off line and I think

:46:34. > :46:37.that's one of the reasons why Theresa May has been criticised

:46:38. > :46:42.yesterday because at the same time there is increasing surveillance and

:46:43. > :46:46.doing things online, there have been 20,000 police officers cut in the

:46:47. > :46:52.last five years. You need people in communities. The deal with

:46:53. > :46:56.encryption so messaging apps that are encrypted end to end, that's

:46:57. > :47:03.viewed by some in the Security Services as a threat. However, the

:47:04. > :47:06.Security Services all of us rely on encryption to make transactions and

:47:07. > :47:10.to buy things online. End to end does not mean it's a black box. If

:47:11. > :47:14.you have the device and if the Security Services are able to get

:47:15. > :47:20.into the device they are at one of the ends and they can read the

:47:21. > :47:23.messages. So, the Security Services have an awful lot more information

:47:24. > :47:29.about us than has ever been available. We can hear from the

:47:30. > :47:34.Prime Minister. The police have now identified all three of the

:47:35. > :47:36.attackers and when progress in the investigation permits, the

:47:37. > :47:41.Metropolitan Police will release the names. 11 individuals are now being

:47:42. > :47:46.held in police custody following the search of two premises. The

:47:47. > :47:49.independent joint terrorism analysis centre have confirmed that the

:47:50. > :47:54.national threat level remains at severe. That means that a terrorist

:47:55. > :47:57.attack is highly likely. The police have reported that they have put

:47:58. > :48:03.additional security measures in place to employeetected the public

:48:04. > :48:05.and provide reassurance and this includes additional security

:48:06. > :48:09.measures at a number of bridges in London. The police are working hard

:48:10. > :48:13.to establish the identity of all of those who were tragically killed or

:48:14. > :48:18.injured in event on Saturday night, but it is now clear that sadly

:48:19. > :48:22.victims came from a number of nationalities. This was an attack on

:48:23. > :48:27.London and the United Kingdom, but it was also an attack on the free

:48:28. > :48:31.world. And finally, I would just like to pay tribute once again to

:48:32. > :48:38.the magnificent response of the police and the emergency services.

:48:39. > :48:41.The heroism of officers both on and off duty was extraordinary. The

:48:42. > :48:44.police and the NHS had detailed plans in place to deal with the

:48:45. > :48:50.horror that unfolded on Saturday night. This undoubtedly saved many

:48:51. > :48:52.lives and we thank them. This morning the nation's most

:48:53. > :48:59.senior police officer has been saying it would be appropriate to

:49:00. > :49:01.look not just at the resourcing for counter-terrorism policing, but for

:49:02. > :49:06.general non specialist officers as well. Do you gret presiding over

:49:07. > :49:09.cuts that has seen 20,000 fewer police officers on the streets of

:49:10. > :49:12.Great Britain? Well, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan

:49:13. > :49:17.Police has said that the Met is well resourced and they are and that they

:49:18. > :49:21.have powerful counter-terrorism capabilities and they do. We have

:49:22. > :49:24.protected counter-terrorism policing budgets and provided funding for an

:49:25. > :49:28.increase in the number of armed police officers. Since 2015, we have

:49:29. > :49:31.protected overall police budgets despite the fact that Jeremy

:49:32. > :49:34.Corbyn's Labour Party in the House of Commons suggested that police

:49:35. > :49:38.budgets could be cut. But it is also about the powers that we give to the

:49:39. > :49:42.police. We've given increased powers to the police to be able to deal

:49:43. > :49:50.with terrorists, powers which Jeremy Corbyn has boasted he has always

:49:51. > :49:57.opposed. Thank you. Theresa May. Let's talk to Norman Smith who is at

:49:58. > :50:01.Downing Street. So, the threat level remains at severe, Norman. Yes,

:50:02. > :50:04.that's significant because if it was thought that these three individuals

:50:05. > :50:08.might have been part of some wider gang, that there was some on going

:50:09. > :50:11.threat then the chances are the threat level would have been raised

:50:12. > :50:15.to critical as it was after the Manchester bombing. So it remains at

:50:16. > :50:18.severe which suggests the police have got a grip on this particular

:50:19. > :50:22.terrorist attack. The other thing I thought interesting, the Prime

:50:23. > :50:26.Minister suggesting additional security on bridges. Now, we know

:50:27. > :50:28.that's been a vulnerability obviously in the wake of the

:50:29. > :50:34.Westminster Bridge and the London Bridge attack. Significantly the

:50:35. > :50:37.bridges don't have bollards going along them to protect pedestrians on

:50:38. > :50:42.the pavement. Now, I suspect that maybe one of the things that they're

:50:43. > :50:46.going to look at. The other thing interesting though the Prime

:50:47. > :50:50.Minister again on the defensive over the cuts to police numbers which

:50:51. > :50:55.have been reduced we know since 2010 by around 20,000 and this is where

:50:56. > :50:58.the politics of it get hard for Mrs May because although yesterday she

:50:59. > :51:03.made her enough is enough speech suggesting a whole range of areas

:51:04. > :51:08.she wanted to look at, she herself has a track record when it comes to

:51:09. > :51:14.counter trim and her critics will say not just that have there have

:51:15. > :51:20.been cuts to police numbers, but she dismantled control orders and

:51:21. > :51:28.replaced them with a lesser restriction in terms of other

:51:29. > :51:31.orders. Her first Act was to rescind the move to rescind ID cards. She

:51:32. > :51:36.has a track record which critics will point to. What will be

:51:37. > :51:44.interesting in the next 10 or 15 minutes when we hear from Mrs May,

:51:45. > :51:47.she is making a speech. Whether she is fleshes out in anymore details

:51:48. > :51:54.some of the ideas she mooted yesterday. We know some of the

:51:55. > :52:02.things the Government are looking at in terms of trying to get the big

:52:03. > :52:06.internet to companies to and then trying to ensure civic society is

:52:07. > :52:13.less tolerant of extremism and when you talk to supporters of Mrs May

:52:14. > :52:17.this point to things like the trojan horse scandal in the Birmingham

:52:18. > :52:22.schools and the child sex grooming scandals in Yorkshire, and similarly

:52:23. > :52:25.pointing to the voter scandal in Tower Hamlets. Again and again they

:52:26. > :52:28.say instances where the local authorities, social services, the

:52:29. > :52:33.police have been inhibited from intervening. It is claimed because

:52:34. > :52:39.of fear of being accused of being racist or Islamophobic. Thank you

:52:40. > :52:43.very much, Norman. Norman Smith our assistant political editor at

:52:44. > :52:47.Downing Street. So the threat level remains at severe in the UK. Theresa

:52:48. > :52:52.May deflecting criticism about cuts to police numbers. Talking about

:52:53. > :52:56.additional security on bridges and paying tribute once again to the

:52:57. > :53:03.magnificent emergency services in the way they responded on Saturday

:53:04. > :53:07.night. The police and the NHS, armed police, resolving this situation

:53:08. > :53:13.within eight minutes of receiving that first call. Quite remarkable.

:53:14. > :53:19.The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has urged people not to direct

:53:20. > :53:26.We can talk now to Imam Farhad Ahmad,

:53:27. > :53:29.Venerable Rosemary Lain-Priestley, who is Archdeacon of Westminster

:53:30. > :53:33.And Rabbi of North Western Reform Synagogue, Mark Goldsmith.

:53:34. > :53:40.Welcome all of you. This is a time when religious leaders will come

:53:41. > :53:45.together to urge others to unite. Is that fair? Absolutely. I think it's

:53:46. > :53:48.the responsibility for people, particularly Faith Leaders to urge

:53:49. > :53:52.people that this is a time to unite. Me as a Muslim imam. It's my

:53:53. > :53:55.responsibility I feel to let the people know because if people are

:53:56. > :53:57.doing something strong in the name of my religion, it's my

:53:58. > :54:01.responsibility to let the people know that the skip ture of Islam,

:54:02. > :54:05.the teaching of Islam do not support these actions at all, the Koran says

:54:06. > :54:13.that if you kill one person, it's like killing the whole of humanity

:54:14. > :54:18.and it says there is no compulsion in religion. The Koran says that you

:54:19. > :54:22.should unite on things that are common. There is so much that unites

:54:23. > :54:25.us than divides us. What would you say? We work together. We live

:54:26. > :54:29.alongside one another as people of faith every day of our lives in

:54:30. > :54:32.London and that is one of the fabulous things about living in this

:54:33. > :54:36.city. When the news was coming through about the attack on Saturday

:54:37. > :54:40.evening, there was a group of Muslims and Jewish people and

:54:41. > :54:46.Christians who were meeting together to celebrate the breaking of the

:54:47. > :54:51.Muslim fast that day in St James Church in Piccadilly, together

:54:52. > :54:55.already as people of being neighbours of different faiths and

:54:56. > :54:59.we will continue to do that and to stand together against atrocities

:55:00. > :55:05.and acts of barbarism which is what it is. This is community by

:55:06. > :55:12.community. So, our synagogues hosted for seven years... What is that?

:55:13. > :55:16.That's the fast breaking meal at the end of each day in Ramadan. We

:55:17. > :55:20.invite our Muslim neighbours into the synagogue and it creates a

:55:21. > :55:23.community that knows a community so that when something like this awful

:55:24. > :55:27.happens, we know each other and we know that each other is feeling the

:55:28. > :55:33.pain because we all suffer from these kind of awful things

:55:34. > :55:37.happening. We have got to know and understand that just like Jews have

:55:38. > :55:40.been hurt, the same thing can happen to Muslims by being bracketed

:55:41. > :55:43.together and we have to get to know each other as individuals and as

:55:44. > :55:53.people as communities and then we can make a change. There are people

:55:54. > :55:58.who are feeling angry and hurting and are in great pain. I wonder what

:55:59. > :56:04.you would say to them today? I would just say reach out to Muslims. I'm a

:56:05. > :56:10.Muslim imam. We were here the whole day yesterday. I'm going to pause

:56:11. > :56:14.for one moment because this is BBC News and there will be continuing

:56:15. > :56:16.coverage now on BBC News of reaction to what happened in London on

:56:17. > :56:30.Saturday evening. Do continue. You asked what can we

:56:31. > :56:34.do? What can we say to people who might be worried? They're worried

:56:35. > :56:38.and we understand that. That's why we are opening ourselves up. We are

:56:39. > :56:42.Muslims and we wish to tell people about our faith. People may think

:56:43. > :56:46.there is something in the religion, if you have any concerns like that,

:56:47. > :56:50.come and speak to us. We have been here since yesterday. People were

:56:51. > :56:53.coming up to us and answering questions, in London, we have seen

:56:54. > :56:59.that people are open-minded and we have been through a lot. We have

:57:00. > :57:05.been through hard times and we always come together. The call from

:57:06. > :57:10.the Archbishop of Canterbury, how do you think that's heeded? To stand

:57:11. > :57:18.for the fact that this was not something which was done in the name

:57:19. > :57:21.of true Islamic faith, but by deluded individuals using, misusing

:57:22. > :57:24.religion in the same way that people of all different faiths have done in

:57:25. > :57:28.the past in different circumstances and standing out against that and

:57:29. > :57:37.yes, being angry, that that happens, but angry on behalf of one another,

:57:38. > :57:44.those of us who stand for a God who would not countenance and does not

:57:45. > :57:47.countenance such acts. The whole of London is bereaved by what has

:57:48. > :57:52.happened and actually I would say the whole of anybody who shares the

:57:53. > :57:56.values that we build communities together with all kinds of different

:57:57. > :58:00.and diverse people. So, anger is a natural part of being bereaved.

:58:01. > :58:04.Being angry is fine. But be angry with the people who perpetrated

:58:05. > :58:10.this. Do not be angry with your fellow communities around you. Do

:58:11. > :58:14.you agree? Absolutely agree. I think it's important that people do come

:58:15. > :58:18.together and you know, I think often dialogue is a key to bringing people

:58:19. > :58:20.together and that's crucial. And that's where I'm going to leave

:58:21. > :58:25.it. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much, and thank

:58:26. > :58:30.you for all your messages about the bravery of the Romanian baker,

:58:31. > :58:33.Florin, you can find what he said to us on social media. Stick with BBC

:58:34. > :58:35.News for more reaction through the day.