08/06/2017

:00:08. > :00:23.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:00:24. > :00:27.After all the way to come election day is finally here.

:00:28. > :00:30.Leaders are all voting this morning - we'll bring you those

:00:31. > :00:39.Internet scammers keep finding new ways to trick you out of your cash,

:00:40. > :00:47.but networks of volunteers are fighting back. I hear that I have

:00:48. > :00:52.won the lottery! Yes, you need to see the information we require from

:00:53. > :00:55.you for me to process your file. I am an agent for the promotion, the

:00:56. > :01:01.payment department agent assigned to your payment. We will hear from some

:01:02. > :01:10.cyber security experts on how to protect yourself. And the teenager

:01:11. > :01:23.who had the presence of mind to start recording with her mobile

:01:24. > :01:26.phone when a man attacked her. I switch the recording on my phone and

:01:27. > :01:31.the light as well, and I thought, if he sees I am recording, I said, I am

:01:32. > :01:34.recording you, I am recording you, he will run off, it would scare him

:01:35. > :01:48.off, and he wouldn't want to get caught. But he didn't care at all.

:01:49. > :02:00.We will hear from 19-year-old Lilyanne. It is an incredible story.

:02:01. > :02:04.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:02:05. > :02:06.Also - do you think music festivals should provide drug testing

:02:07. > :02:09.facilities to allow people taking illegal drugs to check

:02:10. > :02:12.If you take drugs, if you go to festivals -

:02:13. > :02:18.Seven weeks after a general election was called,

:02:19. > :02:20.polling stations across the UK have opened for millions of people

:02:21. > :02:24.Police forces say there is increased security in some areas

:02:25. > :02:26.following the recent terror attacks in Manchester and London.

:02:27. > :02:29.The first election results are expected at around midnight.

:02:30. > :02:35.Election day 2017, just two years after the last one,

:02:36. > :02:40.and three years earlier than we were expecting.

:02:41. > :02:43.68 different parties are vying for your votes this time around,

:02:44. > :02:49.with a total field of more than 3,300 candidates.

:02:50. > :02:54.We'll elect MPs from 650 constituencies across the UK,

:02:55. > :02:57.533 in England, 40 in Wales, 59 in Scotland, and 18 in Northern

:02:58. > :03:03.Around 47 million people are eligible to vote,

:03:04. > :03:07.and we'll be casting our ballots at 41,000 polling stations

:03:08. > :03:12.the length and breadth of the land, as well as by post.

:03:13. > :03:16.The party leader with the most MPs will be invited by the Queen to form

:03:17. > :03:21.a government, with MPs due back here next Tuesday.

:03:22. > :03:23.So, after seven weeks of campaigning, the time has come

:03:24. > :03:27.to choose who will end up on those green benches across the road.

:03:28. > :03:30.11 days from now, the Queen will arrive here in a scaled-down

:03:31. > :03:33.ceremony, wearing a hat, not a crown, driven in a car,

:03:34. > :03:36.not a royal coach, to present the new government's plan

:03:37. > :03:46.Gary O'Donoghue, BBC News, Westminster.

:03:47. > :03:57.And you can we watch all the results coming in throughout the night.

:03:58. > :04:02.Mishal Husain, David Dimbleby, Laura Kuenssberg and Emily Maitlis will

:04:03. > :04:06.have your coverage. At ten o'clock you will get the exit poll, which

:04:07. > :04:15.often gives you a good indication of the outcome of the election. That's

:04:16. > :04:18.at 9:55pm on BBC One. Jeremy Vine will no doubt be there with some

:04:19. > :04:26.crazy graphics. So do tuning tonight. Let's bring you the rest of

:04:27. > :04:30.the morning's news with Annita. Thank you, Victoria. Good morning.

:04:31. > :04:31.Claire The former FBI director sacked

:04:32. > :04:34.by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President

:04:35. > :04:38.tried to influence his investigation into links between members

:04:39. > :04:41.of the Trump team and Russia. Our North America Correspondent

:04:42. > :04:42.Rajini Vaidyanathan reports. There was a time when President

:04:43. > :04:49.Trump had nothing but praise for James Comey, but a firm

:04:50. > :04:52.grip in January turned The President sacked the FBI

:04:53. > :04:58.director, reportedly calling him He's a showboat,

:04:59. > :05:01.he's a grandstander. You know that, I know that,

:05:02. > :05:10.everybody knows that. Most people know the President's

:05:11. > :05:12.version of events. Now James Comey will go public

:05:13. > :05:15.before the Senate with his. On the eve of his appearance before

:05:16. > :05:18.the Senate, James Comey released He said the President isn't

:05:19. > :05:32.being investigated by the FBI Mr Comey says over a private dinner

:05:33. > :05:36.in January he was asked by the President for his unwavering

:05:37. > :05:38.support. "I need loyalty, I expect loyalty",

:05:39. > :05:41.he says the President told him. But how far did the

:05:42. > :05:45.President expect that Mr Comey says he was asked to drop

:05:46. > :05:50.the investigation into ties between the President's former

:05:51. > :05:52.national security adviser Michael There is no suggestion

:05:53. > :05:56.that the President asked for an end to the wider

:05:57. > :05:58.written inquiry but James It's not just Congress which is

:05:59. > :06:06.looking into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, there is also

:06:07. > :06:12.an ongoing FBI investigation. In the saga that is

:06:13. > :06:14.Washington politics, James Comey's testimony

:06:15. > :06:19.is a must-see moment but it's just one act

:06:20. > :06:26.what's becoming a long and drawn-out political drama.

:06:27. > :06:28.Three men have been arrested on suspicion of terror offences

:06:29. > :06:30.after armed officers carried out a series of raids

:06:31. > :06:41.Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested at separate addresses in Newham

:06:42. > :06:44.and a 33-year-old man was arrested in Waltham Forest.

:06:45. > :06:46.Police say the arrests are not connected to

:06:47. > :06:52.Military officials in Myanmar say wreckage from an air force transport

:06:53. > :06:54.plane which disappeared over the Andaman Sea

:06:55. > :07:00.Ten bodies, including those of a child, were discovered

:07:01. > :07:03.about 35 kilometres south of the town of Launglon.

:07:04. > :07:05.The Chinese-made aircraft was carrying 122 passengers

:07:06. > :07:11.and crew, most of them soldiers and their families.

:07:12. > :07:14.Scientists at the University of Bath have developed biodegradable

:07:15. > :07:16.cellulose microbeads that could replace harmful tiny pieces

:07:17. > :07:23.Microbeads are tiny spheres of plastic which are added

:07:24. > :07:27.to products such as face wash, sunscreen and toothpaste to give

:07:28. > :07:31.Experts warn they end up in rivers and oceans,

:07:32. > :07:40.where they are ingested by birds, fish and other marine life.

:07:41. > :07:53.a Japanese fugitive who has been on the run for 45 years has been

:07:54. > :07:57.arrested. He allegedly said an officer on fire.

:07:58. > :08:00.Same-sex couples in the UK could be allowed to get married in Anglican

:08:01. > :08:04.Later the Scottish Episcopal church will vote on whether to change

:08:05. > :08:07.A positive vote would mean that same-sex couples from all over

:08:08. > :08:09.the UK can marry in Anglican churches in Scotland.

:08:10. > :08:15.Our correspondent Michael Buchanan reports.

:08:16. > :08:18.At the centre of what we celebrate here today is the love

:08:19. > :08:22.A gay marriage in an Anglican Church.

:08:23. > :08:30.But later today, this scene could become legal in Scotland.

:08:31. > :08:32.The Episcopal Church, the Anglican Church in Scotland,

:08:33. > :08:34.will vote this afternoon on whether to allow gay weddings.

:08:35. > :08:43.The Very Rev Kelvin Holdsworth is strongly in favour.

:08:44. > :08:46.So many people now know gay couples who want to be married

:08:47. > :08:49.in church and stand up in front of their friends and in front of God

:08:50. > :08:51.and declare their love for one another.

:08:52. > :08:59.The Churches in England and Wales don't allow saame

:09:00. > :09:03.But if the vote in Edinburgh is passed today, it would allow

:09:04. > :09:06.gay couples from the rest of the UK to be married

:09:07. > :09:17.It's a question of the authority of the Bible who runs the church.

:09:18. > :09:19.Our belief is the Bible is the supreme authority that

:09:20. > :09:21.Jesus Christ runs the Church using the Bible.

:09:22. > :09:23.When something like this happens, it is not so much

:09:24. > :09:28.it is about the authority of the Bible that matters.

:09:29. > :09:32.Attitudes to gay marriage are one of the defining

:09:33. > :09:37.Supporters say acceptance of the move is inevitable over time.

:09:38. > :09:39.Today's vote could bring that future a step closer.

:09:40. > :09:48.Michael Buchanan, BBC News, Edinburgh.

:09:49. > :09:54.A diamond ring bought for ?10 at a car-boot sale has been sold

:09:55. > :09:57.for more than ?650,000 at auction in London.

:09:58. > :10:01.The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond sold for almost double its estimate.

:10:02. > :10:04.The owner bought the ring in the 1980s and was unaware

:10:05. > :10:06.of its real value, wearing it every day

:10:07. > :10:14.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:10:15. > :10:21.In a moment we will be talking about what is being done to keep

:10:22. > :10:23.you safe from internet scammers who try to trick unsuspecting

:10:24. > :10:28.Have you been a victim of that kind of fraud yourself?

:10:29. > :10:32.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:10:33. > :10:35.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:10:36. > :10:43.Let's bring you some sport now. Our Chelsea really going to get rid of a

:10:44. > :10:47.star player? It seems so, and it is pretty surprising, it involves Diego

:10:48. > :10:50.Costa. If you are a fan of one of the other big clubs, you will be

:10:51. > :10:56.happy to hear this, but the Chelsea fans, not at all. It has been

:10:57. > :10:58.claimed he has been told he can leave the champions via a text

:10:59. > :11:05.message from the manager, Antonio Conte. He scored 26 goals last

:11:06. > :11:10.season, still only 26 years old, he was speaking after his country's

:11:11. > :11:13.game last night. He is stirred Chelsea player but is looking for a

:11:14. > :11:17.new club because it is clear that the new coach does not count on me

:11:18. > :11:20.and does not want me there. That is a real development. He is a cult

:11:21. > :11:24.hero at Chelsea, his team-mates seemed to like him and he is

:11:25. > :11:31.well-known for his histrionics, and having a smile on his face as well.

:11:32. > :11:36.It seems Chelsea are favourites to sign Romelu Lukaku from Everton as a

:11:37. > :11:40.replacement, and that could make cost a fantastic deal for one of the

:11:41. > :11:44.big clubs in Europe. And there is this big game coming up

:11:45. > :11:48.England and Scotland, but England need a new captain. Who will it be?

:11:49. > :11:53.A World Cup qualifier, and England without Wayne Rooney, he is lacking

:11:54. > :11:56.in form. His long-term international future looks bleak as well,

:11:57. > :12:00.questions being asked about who his replacement will be. At just 23, the

:12:01. > :12:08.Premier League's top scorer last season, Harry Kane, thinks he is

:12:09. > :12:12.ready to step up. I have grown up as a footballer, everyone grows up with

:12:13. > :12:17.dreams of being England captain one day, I am no different, but it is

:12:18. > :12:22.down to Gareth. We have a lot of leaders in this team, and that is

:12:23. > :12:25.what we need to get across, that whoever is captain is captain, but

:12:26. > :12:29.there are plenty of other leaders that can talk and help each other

:12:30. > :12:33.out on the pitch, and that is the main focus for us. Gareth Southgate

:12:34. > :12:37.was a bit more quiet on who the long-term replacement for Wayne

:12:38. > :12:40.Rooney might be, but Harry Kane is being compared Alan Shearer, and we

:12:41. > :12:43.all know what a great captain he was. And the Lions tour of New

:12:44. > :12:50.Zealand hasn't got off to the best of starts. Getting any closer to a

:12:51. > :12:53.test line-up? We should be, but once again, Warren Gatland has completely

:12:54. > :12:58.changed his starting line-up of they are now into the third match of the

:12:59. > :13:03.tour, we would expect to see what we would think would be the test

:13:04. > :13:06.line-up, but they do have a match this Saturday, Wales lock Alun Wyn

:13:07. > :13:11.is going to captain the side against the Canterbury Crusaders. Sean

:13:12. > :13:16.O'Brien, Conor Murray, George North, they will all make their first

:13:17. > :13:21.appearances of the tour. The Lions opponents have named eight All

:13:22. > :13:25.Blacks in their team. Saturday's match will be far more daunting, it

:13:26. > :13:30.is a big step up in quality because the Crusaders have a perfect 14 wins

:13:31. > :13:35.from 14 so far this season. Thank you very much. More from Hugh

:13:36. > :13:39.throughout the morning. Polling day, as you know, delighted to see one of

:13:40. > :13:40.the great register additions is continuing on this general election

:13:41. > :13:58.day, which is #dogsatpollingstations. We

:13:59. > :14:03.would very much like to end the programme today with pictures of

:14:04. > :14:06.your dog at the polling station. A picture of your dog, where you are

:14:07. > :14:11.at the UK, and obviously the name of your dog. We have this picture,

:14:12. > :14:19.unfortunately Richard hasn't given us the name of this dog, which I'm

:14:20. > :14:24.guessing is a Cockerpoo, but I might be wrong. Not the most glamorous

:14:25. > :14:29.polling station, but certainly the most glamorous dog, he says! Do send

:14:30. > :14:32.us your pictures and we would be delighted to end the programme with

:14:33. > :14:38.photographs of dogs from all around the UK. But first this morning.

:14:39. > :14:41.Most of us have received a scam e-mail in our inbox -

:14:42. > :14:44.someone wanting to transfer thousands of dollars into your

:14:45. > :14:46.account, or asking you to cash cheques and send them money.

:14:47. > :14:49.You might have ignored it, but thousands don't and fall victim

:14:50. > :14:51.to this kind of online fraud, losing a lot of money

:14:52. > :14:56.The criminals rarely get caught, because they are usually operating

:14:57. > :14:58.from outside the UK, which makes it harder

:14:59. > :15:02.But networks of volunteers are fighting back, trying to beat

:15:03. > :15:10.Our reporter Hannah Morrison has been to meet some of them..

:15:11. > :15:16.Every year, tens of thousands of people are conned by online

:15:17. > :15:21.scammers. But it is not only the authorities taking action. It is

:15:22. > :15:27.just a bad element on the planet and something we could do without.

:15:28. > :15:34.What we do is we waste their time and resources. And we make them

:15:35. > :15:38.believe that they are not as good a scammer as they think they are.

:15:39. > :15:42.There are always going to be there, but if we can take them down a peg,

:15:43. > :15:48.take a victim away from them any time we can.

:15:49. > :15:53.You have all received the e-mails. You have won a lottery you didn't

:15:54. > :15:56.know you have signed up for. A long lost relative has left you

:15:57. > :16:02.inheritance. But there is always a catch. You need to send money first.

:16:03. > :16:09.Behind those e-mails are scammers who cheat people out of money, and

:16:10. > :16:13.the Internet offers them a safe haven. The England and Wales crime

:16:14. > :16:17.survey estimates there are 100,000 cases of this fraud each year. The

:16:18. > :16:20.police admit it is harder to catch criminals working from overseas, but

:16:21. > :16:29.a global network of volunteers is trying to stop them. Some of them

:16:30. > :16:39.don't want to reveal their identities were obvious reasons, but

:16:40. > :16:44.we have three of them online now. Can you explain what you do? As far

:16:45. > :16:47.as baiting, I pretend to be a perfect victim for a scammer, the

:16:48. > :16:52.idea is to collect all of their information, whether it it be faked

:16:53. > :16:56.documents, phone numbers, photographs, anything they are

:16:57. > :16:59.trying to use to scam victims with. Getting the scammers victims up

:17:00. > :17:03.online so people can be warned about them or messing with a scammer to

:17:04. > :17:09.take up his time and keep them away from victims. As a victim Warner, I

:17:10. > :17:13.am sending out text messages or making actual phone calls to scam

:17:14. > :17:17.victims to warn them that they are being scammed by Joe scammer and

:17:18. > :17:22.that they need to protect themselves. Why do you do it? My

:17:23. > :17:26.mother got caught up in what they call the grandparent scam. She

:17:27. > :17:30.didn't lose any money and that was more just blind luck, but I know to

:17:31. > :17:35.this day that my mother would still fall for this scam because she was

:17:36. > :17:40.so convinced that this was reality. She had $5,000 cash, and it was a

:17:41. > :17:45.western union employee that actually stopped her. It affected me deeply.

:17:46. > :17:51.So what kind of technology are you using? Is there something special

:17:52. > :17:57.you need to do the dues to do scam baiting? A pretty simple setup, I

:17:58. > :18:02.can give you a location and I will show you how it's done. That sounds

:18:03. > :18:07.perfect. Wayne has agreed to meet us, not at his house but at a secret

:18:08. > :18:10.location. An empty hall in south Wales. He doesn't want the room run

:18:11. > :18:19.the risk of the scammers knowing where he lives. How are you? Nice to

:18:20. > :18:22.meet you. The website he runs puts up details they acquire from

:18:23. > :18:26.conversations with scammers. Photos, phone numbers, e-mails. Victims can

:18:27. > :18:32.use it to check whether they are being conned. Wayne says police and

:18:33. > :18:39.other authorities use the data too. We have dealt with the police, the

:18:40. > :18:44.FBI, Western Union. So we do work with police, with authorities, but

:18:45. > :18:50.it is almost always when they come to us, rather than us going to look

:18:51. > :18:52.to work with them. The police's National fraud and cyber crime

:18:53. > :18:56.agency couldn't tell us whether they work with baiters like Wayne or not,

:18:57. > :19:02.as they don't comment on individual groups. But their advice to victims

:19:03. > :19:05.is to call action fraud. This is a conversation between you and someone

:19:06. > :19:12.who I am assuming is not called Sarah. No. Do you make stuff up to

:19:13. > :19:16.make you see more vulnerable? More like somebody who a scammer would

:19:17. > :19:23.think they will get a success from? On this one, never married, just

:19:24. > :19:26.split up a while back with my ex. Wayne and his friends have

:19:27. > :19:29.successfully gathered pages of information on scammers, but it

:19:30. > :19:34.rarely leads to arrest because so many are based abroad. So they find

:19:35. > :19:37.other ways to get to them, by wasting their time and money, and

:19:38. > :19:42.this is where the baiters have a bit more fun. OK, so we have just been

:19:43. > :19:46.to see Wayne. We have now come to a different location in the UK to meet

:19:47. > :19:50.someone else from the group, who is chewed to do some scam baiting this

:19:51. > :19:57.evening. She has invited us along to see exactly how it stand. You are

:19:58. > :20:01.going to try and bait someone, nothing we also going to try and get

:20:02. > :20:05.when involved as well? We will see what we can do. We are not random

:20:06. > :20:08.find a random person on the end of a phone, this is somebody who has

:20:09. > :20:12.e-mailed and we know them. Gel and Wayne carry out a lot of baiting

:20:13. > :20:16.together. They always wait to be approached, but that happens a lot

:20:17. > :20:21.because their details are on so-called sucker lists, databases

:20:22. > :20:27.compiled by scammers who have fallen victim to scams like this before.

:20:28. > :20:31.Hello, Wayne, are you getting involved again? Pretending to be

:20:32. > :20:36.husband-and-wife, they are going to make a phone call to someone who has

:20:37. > :20:42.contacted Jill saying that she has won a lottery of $1.2 million in

:20:43. > :20:48.Africa. The idea is to waste his time by arguing about which one of

:20:49. > :20:56.them gets the money. Hello. Hello. I have my wife with me. We received

:20:57. > :21:03.your e-mail, and we would both love to hear more. Are you people the

:21:04. > :21:09.winners of the 2017 lottery? We are, yes. Is this for your wife or for

:21:10. > :21:13.you? It would be for both of us. If you need to talk to my wife I can

:21:14. > :21:21.get on the other line, I will do that. Can you take the other line?

:21:22. > :21:26.Hello. Hello, how are you? Hello, it is lovely to hear from you. I hear

:21:27. > :21:33.that I have won the lottery. Yes, yes! You need to send information to

:21:34. > :21:39.me to process your file. I am an agent for the promotion. The payment

:21:40. > :21:42.department agent assigned to your payment. The call goes on and on as

:21:43. > :21:46.Jill and Wayne want to keep on talking as long as possible. The

:21:47. > :21:50.more time he chats, the less it has to focus on other potential victims.

:21:51. > :21:54.The continues to ask for their personal details. Just send the

:21:55. > :21:59.information to me, then I will deal with you via the e-mail that you

:22:00. > :22:03.put, your mobile number. They continue to waste the time. My

:22:04. > :22:11.e-mail address, I get the my e-mail address, I get the money.

:22:12. > :22:17.You do not get the money, it is my e-mail address! He persists, so do

:22:18. > :22:24.they. He is not getting a penny of that money! Eventually Wayne and

:22:25. > :22:28.Jill end the call. OK then, goodbye. I am assuming that would have gone

:22:29. > :22:33.on normally, we had to cut it short, how long would it go on for? We

:22:34. > :22:36.would carry on as long as it wasted their time, as long as it confused

:22:37. > :22:44.the scammer. What is your motivation? We challenge them, and

:22:45. > :22:48.we make them believe that they are not as good a scammer as they think

:22:49. > :22:53.they are. So we get under their skin. What about your personal

:22:54. > :23:00.safety, is it worth it? You have kids. I do, however I take great

:23:01. > :23:08.care in protecting my online persona. I bait with e-mail

:23:09. > :23:12.addresses that are not traceable. I don't use any of my real-life

:23:13. > :23:16.information. If you want to catch them out, why not just report them

:23:17. > :23:20.to the police straightaway? It would be brilliant if we could get them

:23:21. > :23:26.arrested. Law enforcement in our country could advise, they do give a

:23:27. > :23:31.lot of advice on how to prevent it from happening, but they can't

:23:32. > :23:35.really affect proper arrests and control overseas. It is just not

:23:36. > :23:42.possible, there are just too many of them. The police's fraud bureau say

:23:43. > :23:46.that although criminals working abroad are harder to catch, a lot of

:23:47. > :23:49.resources in the UK are going into preventing scams and raising

:23:50. > :23:53.awareness of them. In the meantime, Jill, Wayne and many others will

:23:54. > :24:03.continue scam baiting, passing any information they find on the victims

:24:04. > :24:07.and the police. We will talk to two experts in just a moment but as it

:24:08. > :24:10.is polling day, Theresa May has just voted in her Maidenhead

:24:11. > :24:13.constituency. These are the pictures of her casting her vote in selling

:24:14. > :24:24.their Reading. -- casting her vote near Reading.

:24:25. > :24:33.Going in and coming out. It means Theresa May has voted. A little

:24:34. > :24:38.earlier, this was the Scotland First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, casting

:24:39. > :24:39.her vote in Glasgow. We will show a picture of her going in and then

:24:40. > :25:17.coming out. You can vote until 10pm tonight.

:25:18. > :25:22.General election coverage on BBC One starts at five to ten. We will get

:25:23. > :25:25.the exit poll at ten o'clock will be published across all the

:25:26. > :25:28.broadcasters at ten o'clock, it usually gives you a very good

:25:29. > :25:32.indication of the outcome of the election, but results released at

:25:33. > :25:35.coming in about midnight, although Sunderland like to do it at about

:25:36. > :25:40.11. Don't always manage it but they do their best. Back to those scam

:25:41. > :25:42.baiters, the people challenging the scammers around the world.

:25:43. > :25:45.Let's talk to Brian Lord, he has his own cyber security company.

:25:46. > :25:47.And Tony Neate, who's from advice service Get Safe Online.

:25:48. > :25:55.Good morning to you both. Brian Lord, there are a small minority of

:25:56. > :26:00.scam baiters and a huge number of scammers around the world. They will

:26:01. > :26:04.never really disrupt more than a handful, are they? No, they are not.

:26:05. > :26:08.They believe they are doing the right thing, as long as they stay on

:26:09. > :26:13.the right side of the law, it just plays a tiny little part in

:26:14. > :26:18.addressing what is a wider issue. And as long as they make the

:26:19. > :26:20.information available to those organisations who can promulgate

:26:21. > :26:23.that information as part of a wider awareness campaign, the better.

:26:24. > :26:31.Because the key thing about this, the way that you stop this kind of

:26:32. > :26:34.thing is awareness. It is confidence trekking in the 20% true, that is

:26:35. > :26:39.all. It is simply educating people how not to fall for it. Tony Neate,

:26:40. > :26:45.how do you think about what the baiters are doing? It is good sport.

:26:46. > :26:50.Something that has been around 20 years now. It used to be called for

:26:51. > :26:53.19 fraud, which was the penal code in West Africa but I would give a

:26:54. > :26:58.little bit of caution. You have to remember that these are disrupting

:26:59. > :27:02.criminals, serious and organised crime and there is a risk in

:27:03. > :27:06.relation to it. Anyone who thinks this is good sport, I will have a

:27:07. > :27:09.go, you have to remember to protect yourselves, there are IP addresses

:27:10. > :27:14.we have to make sure we don't display, and remember a lot of these

:27:15. > :27:19.people have been threatened with violence, even with murder. I would

:27:20. > :27:23.say yes, it is great if we can take one person off-line doing this, that

:27:24. > :27:30.is great, but we have to be careful. But do you accept that these

:27:31. > :27:36.networks of scambaiters arrived because they are surface treated

:27:37. > :27:40.that more is not being done to catch the con artists? As the security

:27:41. > :27:42.expert just said, there are literally hundreds of thousands of

:27:43. > :27:48.criminals doing this type of thing. It is very difficult to catch them.

:27:49. > :27:52.One of the reasons is they use a non-ISAs, these lists are available

:27:53. > :28:07.on the Darkwa -- the Onana my is themselves. -- available on the dark

:28:08. > :28:11.web. -- they anonymise themselves. I have been frustrated. I followed it

:28:12. > :28:15.along, certainly on telephone calls I have had. The best thing to do is

:28:16. > :28:18.to put the necessary precautions in so you don't get these e-mails in

:28:19. > :28:22.the first place. I will ask you about that in the moment. Brian

:28:23. > :28:26.Lord, some people watching will be thinking, how does anyone fall for

:28:27. > :28:30.this rubbish, it is so obvious when you get an e-mail saying you have $1

:28:31. > :28:33.million on a lottery but can you send 500 quid first before you get

:28:34. > :28:37.the million. But people do and they should not be ashamed or embarrassed

:28:38. > :28:44.to speed up about it -- speak up about it because it to awareness of

:28:45. > :28:50.others. That is a really good point. People react to things for a lot of

:28:51. > :28:55.reasons, quite a lot based on their personal circumstances, how they are

:28:56. > :28:58.feeling, a sense of four is confidence in the internet and

:28:59. > :29:04.e-mail for people who don't understand that kind of thing. But

:29:05. > :29:09.they become in barrister when it becomes a case but also once they

:29:10. > :29:14.have made one or two payments, they are already into it, and the only

:29:15. > :29:17.way out is to create this false confidence that it is actually real,

:29:18. > :29:22.and they end up paying more and more. So yes, I think more people

:29:23. > :29:27.fall foul of it than you would think and everyone should feel confident

:29:28. > :29:32.about speaking out and saying, actually, yes, I did fall victim of

:29:33. > :29:35.something similar, but the key thing is to still make the information

:29:36. > :29:40.available to action fraud. Because although there is a huge amount of

:29:41. > :29:43.frustration about how effective the UK police can operate

:29:44. > :29:50.internationally, they do operate internationally, cross-border, and

:29:51. > :29:54.the more information they have, actually, the more effective they

:29:55. > :29:58.can make their limited capability. Tony Neate cameo advice to our

:29:59. > :30:04.audience about how they can block getting these scam e-mails in the

:30:05. > :30:09.first place? First of all make sure you have good security on your

:30:10. > :30:12.computers and new mobile phones. Update the operating system, the

:30:13. > :30:18.applications, make sure you have strong spam software on your machine

:30:19. > :30:23.to stop that happening, go to the get safe online. All website to get

:30:24. > :30:28.more automation. When something comes through and you think it might

:30:29. > :30:32.be genuine, get someone else to have a look at it. What sounds too good

:30:33. > :30:35.to be true probably is but getting someone else to look at it without

:30:36. > :30:40.rose tinted glasses on and can save you a lot of money -- go to the

:30:41. > :30:45.getsafeonline.org website. Thanks both of you, Tony Neate from

:30:46. > :30:46.getsafeonline.org, and Brian Lord from a cyber security programme.

:30:47. > :30:53.Time for the latest headlines. Polling stations are open

:30:54. > :30:55.for millions of people to cast Police forces say there'll be

:30:56. > :30:59.increased security in some areas following the recent terror attacks

:31:00. > :31:02.in Manchester and London. Voting will go on until ten o'clock

:31:03. > :31:05.tonight, with the first results And in the last half hour

:31:06. > :31:11.party leaders have begun Seven weeks after calling

:31:12. > :31:19.the general election, a polling station in her Maidenhead

:31:20. > :31:24.constituency while the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon went

:31:25. > :31:29.to a ballot box in Glasgow. You can watch all the results coming

:31:30. > :31:31.in throughout the night - The Election 2017 special will be

:31:32. > :31:35.with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News

:31:36. > :31:41.channel from 9.55pm tonight. The former FBI director sacked

:31:42. > :31:44.by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President

:31:45. > :31:48.tried to influence his investigation into links between members

:31:49. > :31:55.of the Trump team and Russia. The White House denies

:31:56. > :31:57.the allegations. Three men have been arrested

:31:58. > :32:00.on suspicion of terror offences after armed officers carried out

:32:01. > :32:02.a series of raids in Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested

:32:03. > :32:11.at separate addresses in Newham and a 33-year-old man was arrested

:32:12. > :32:13.in Waltham forest. Police say the arrests

:32:14. > :32:28.are not connected to The Anglican Church in Scotland

:32:29. > :32:35.could become the first in the UK to offer same-sex marriage. The move is

:32:36. > :32:42.opposed by some traditional Anglicans. A diamond ring bought for

:32:43. > :32:49.?10 at a car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000 at auction in

:32:50. > :32:55.London. The 26 carat cushion shaped diamond sold for almost double its

:32:56. > :33:00.estimate. The owner bought the ring in the 1980s and was unaware of its

:33:01. > :33:03.real value, wearing it everyday 30 years.

:33:04. > :33:11.And that is a summary of the latest news. Back to you, Victoria. Now

:33:12. > :33:15.here is the latest sport. Chelsea striker Diego Costa could be

:33:16. > :33:18.on his way out of Stamford Bridge this summer despite helping the club

:33:19. > :33:25.to last season's Premier League title, scoring 20 goals on the way.

:33:26. > :33:27.Costa claims he was told in a text message that he is no longer in the

:33:28. > :33:40.club's plans. The club is absolutely flying in

:33:41. > :33:45.super rugby, so after winning their first game and losing yesterday, it

:33:46. > :33:49.is a real challenge for the Lions. For the fourth year in a row, Andy

:33:50. > :33:52.Murray is through to the semifinals of the French Open. He had to fight

:33:53. > :33:58.for his place, coming from a set down against Kay Nishikori, and will

:33:59. > :34:04.face Stan Wawrinka next in a repeat of last year's semifinal which

:34:05. > :34:07.Murray won. And if you were worried about Sir Ben Ainslie's progress in

:34:08. > :34:13.the America's Cup, the hasn't been any. The day's racing was called off

:34:14. > :34:17.due to heavy winds in Bermuda. That is all the sport for now, we're back

:34:18. > :34:28.with more just after ten o'clock. 19-year-old Lillian Constantine

:34:29. > :34:30.was making her way home from an evening out,

:34:31. > :34:33.when a man - Ashraf Miah - As she was being attacked, Lillian

:34:34. > :34:37.managed to switch on her phone It led to his conviction

:34:38. > :34:46.and last month he was jailed Lilian has waived her right

:34:47. > :34:50.to anonymity to encourage victims of rape and serious sexual assault

:34:51. > :34:53.to come forward and also - where they can - to use

:34:54. > :34:55.modern technology to help In her first broadcast interview,

:34:56. > :34:59.Lillian and her mother Karen spoke to the Today programme's Justin Webb

:35:00. > :35:10.and described the moment As soon as the attacker put his hand

:35:11. > :35:15.on me, I knew something was up, because when I'm out and it's late,

:35:16. > :35:19.it is common for people to talk to you randomly, it is friendly chat,

:35:20. > :35:24.sometimes they can be drunk, but as soon as he put his hand on me, I

:35:25. > :35:30.knew that it was an invasion of my personal space, and that was when I

:35:31. > :35:36.knew something was wrong. And did you think at first but he was going

:35:37. > :35:39.to mug you? I did. I had no idea of what else was going to happen, but

:35:40. > :35:44.initially I did think it was going to be a mugging. What went through

:35:45. > :35:49.your mind when that happened? First of all I flipped the video recording

:35:50. > :35:54.on my phone, and I turned the light on as well, because it was pitch

:35:55. > :35:59.black where I was, and I thought, if he sees that I am recording, and I

:36:00. > :36:02.screamed at him, I said, I am recording you, I thought it would

:36:03. > :36:08.scare him off, and he wouldn't want to get caught, but he didn't care at

:36:09. > :36:12.all. But your phone was on by then? Yes, it was on and the light, I was

:36:13. > :36:17.trying my best to shine the light in his face, but he was using all of

:36:18. > :36:20.his limbs to trip me up and get me onto the floor and pushed me down.

:36:21. > :36:25.And he managed to do that because he was bigger than you? Yes. And how

:36:26. > :36:30.long did the attack last? About two minutes, but it felt like a

:36:31. > :36:35.lifetime. Can you remember what you were thinking as it was happening? I

:36:36. > :36:39.think I was actually so shocked at the fact that I was screaming at

:36:40. > :36:46.him, swearing at him, screaming for help, and I just thought, this must

:36:47. > :36:49.be an absolute maniac, for someone... It was completely

:36:50. > :36:53.barbaric. I am personally quite compassionate, and it is the

:36:54. > :36:59.complete binary opposite of something that I would do or anyone

:37:00. > :37:04.I know would do. How did it end? Did he just run off? I believe that some

:37:05. > :37:08.people nearby heard me screaming, woke up and their lights went on,

:37:09. > :37:14.and that scared him away. So he jumped off and left me there. I

:37:15. > :37:18.didn't look back, I was just on a mission to get home, which was about

:37:19. > :37:24.one minute and 40 seconds away. And when she got home, Karen, what state

:37:25. > :37:27.did you find her in? She was in a dreadful state, she stumbled in

:37:28. > :37:30.through the bedroom door, and as we woke up, we were in a deep sleep,

:37:31. > :37:37.but we put the lights on, we could see she was incredibly distressed,

:37:38. > :37:42.distraught. I could see immediately that something terrible had

:37:43. > :37:47.happened. Her make-up, the crying, she was in coherent, clothes were

:37:48. > :37:50.all over the place, and it was your worst nightmare coming true,

:37:51. > :37:56.actually. Can you remember what you said to her? My instinct was to take

:37:57. > :38:01.hold of her and to pull her close to me and set her down and try to get

:38:02. > :38:07.her to breathe regularly. And I asked her if she had been attacked

:38:08. > :38:10.and she said she had. I called for my husband to call the police

:38:11. > :38:16.immediately. Did you realise immediately that it had been an

:38:17. > :38:20.attempted rape? I felt, the state that she was in, that it could have

:38:21. > :38:27.only been something so awful as that. And I asked her, and she was

:38:28. > :38:31.incoherent, and soon she talked about the film that she had taken,

:38:32. > :38:35.and when we viewed the film, it was absolutely crystal clear what a

:38:36. > :38:40.vicious attack had taken place against her. And then, as a parent,

:38:41. > :38:45.you must be torn between just wanting to hold her and comfort her

:38:46. > :38:51.and actually also wanting to catch this person and to get hold of the

:38:52. > :38:57.police. Our instinct was just our arms around her and sit and let her

:38:58. > :39:01.sob and cry, and to try and get her to feel safe and secure in her own

:39:02. > :39:04.home again. There was no conflict about that, and I suppose at the

:39:05. > :39:10.same time, my husband was calling the police, so I was holding her and

:39:11. > :39:13.he was speaking to the police. And when the police came, that also is a

:39:14. > :39:18.pretty horrible process that you then have to go through? It wasn't

:39:19. > :39:23.pleasant. I had to bag up the clothes I was wearing, hand them

:39:24. > :39:26.over. It was very unnatural, the whole thing, and having to explain

:39:27. > :39:30.what had happened again and again and again to a multitude of

:39:31. > :39:34.different people at different times. But initially it was pretty

:39:35. > :39:42.horrible. And they put you on medication as well? They put me on

:39:43. > :39:46.HIV preventing medication, I was so sick from it and I had to have

:39:47. > :39:50.weekly blood tests to check if my liver was still functioning because

:39:51. > :39:55.of the potency of these tablets. And then because of your quick thinking

:39:56. > :40:01.in filming this attack, the police found the man. They found DNA on me

:40:02. > :40:04.but they couldn't find a match on the system, and they went through

:40:05. > :40:08.the film frame by frame, got a clear image of his face which allowed them

:40:09. > :40:12.to tracking down and catch him. So just to be clear, it may well be

:40:13. > :40:16.that without that film, he would still be walking around free? I

:40:17. > :40:21.believe so. And is that part of the reason at least why you have decided

:40:22. > :40:26.to waive your right to anonymity and say what you have been saying to us?

:40:27. > :40:29.A lot of young people get a bit of grief from being on their phones all

:40:30. > :40:33.the time, but when you think about it, we're walking around with small

:40:34. > :40:38.devices that could do so much good. Extraordinary. Lillian Constantine

:40:39. > :40:48.and her mother Karen talking to Justin Webb from Radio 4's Today

:40:49. > :40:50.programme. Encouraging other people who are victims of sexual assault to

:40:51. > :40:54.come forward. Still to come: There are calls

:40:55. > :40:57.for festivals to offer free testing of illegal drugs

:40:58. > :40:59.to check their contents and potency - we'll be getting reaction from one

:41:00. > :41:06.mother whose son was a heroin addict If you use illegal drugs or go to

:41:07. > :41:09.festivals, is this something you would welcome, or do you think it

:41:10. > :41:13.normalises illegal drug-taking? We're talking about that in the next

:41:14. > :41:16.15 minutes, so your own personal experiences are pertinent to that

:41:17. > :41:20.conversation. This week has seen a growing

:41:21. > :41:22.diplomatic crisis in the Middle East as Saudi Arabia,

:41:23. > :41:25.the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Egypt and Yemen announced

:41:26. > :41:27.they were to cut diplomatic ties with Qatar and accused them

:41:28. > :41:29.of supporting terrorism. So why is a crisis so far from our

:41:30. > :43:19.borders important to the UK? In a moment, we are going to talk to

:43:20. > :43:23.an ambassador, the UAE's top diplomat to Russia, about white UAE

:43:24. > :43:28.amongst others is ostracising Qatar in the way it is. We are expecting

:43:29. > :43:34.the leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, to vote in Islington

:43:35. > :43:39.North. Not yet, obviously, that is why there is a picture of the gate.

:43:40. > :43:51.So we will show you that as soon Mr Corbyn arrives. OK, let's talk to

:43:52. > :43:59.Ambassador Omar. Can you explain to our audience what exactly you are

:44:00. > :44:04.accusing Qatar of? Basically, we have had ongoing discussions for

:44:05. > :44:09.years about their promotion of extremist rhetoric through primarily

:44:10. > :44:14.there television station al-Jazeera. This has become common knowledge

:44:15. > :44:18.outside of the Arab world as well. Their support of the Muslim

:44:19. > :44:23.Brotherhood, which we regard as a terrorist organisation, and that we

:44:24. > :44:28.see as being the integrator for all kinds of violent extremists in the

:44:29. > :44:32.Arab world. And we have an issue with the fact that they want to be

:44:33. > :44:37.part of the golf team, the Gulf Arab team, yet they are undermining us

:44:38. > :44:41.from within by funding radical organisations within our countries.

:44:42. > :44:48.And you have evidence for that funding that you say is happening?

:44:49. > :44:56.Just a very recent example is Qatari hostages in Iraq, and the Qatari

:44:57. > :45:00.government paid Al-Qaeda $300 million and $700 million to various

:45:01. > :45:07.groups. This is very straightforward. What about other

:45:08. > :45:12.countries in your golf club, if you like, if I can put it like that, who

:45:13. > :45:17.are accused of funding extremism, for example Saudi Arabia? This is an

:45:18. > :45:21.important question, you are right, this is something that has been

:45:22. > :45:24.talked about, and there are rumours. There are two different ways in

:45:25. > :45:29.which extremism is funded as far as we can tell in the Arab world. You

:45:30. > :45:34.have private individuals who are independently wealthy, and they pass

:45:35. > :45:37.cash to extremists, and that is the government threw back of the region

:45:38. > :45:43.are working with each other to tackle, so we are working with

:45:44. > :45:47.Unisys... I'm so sorry, we're just going to pause for a moment to bring

:45:48. > :45:48.our audience pictures of Jeremy Corbyn arriving to vote in north

:45:49. > :46:00.London. Theresa May has already voted off

:46:01. > :46:04.the Conservatives. Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP has cast her vote

:46:05. > :46:17.already. Now it is the turn of the leader of the Labour Party. That

:46:18. > :46:21.will do a thing for the moment. Let's continue our commerce ocean

:46:22. > :46:25.with the ambassador, the UAE's top diplomat to Russia. We have been

:46:26. > :46:29.talking about accusations of Saudi Arabia's links the funding of

:46:30. > :46:34.extremism, and why for example you from the UAE haven't cut them off.

:46:35. > :46:37.There are two different kinds of funding that takes place, a funding

:46:38. > :46:43.that we know about and we are monitoring as well as possible,

:46:44. > :46:46.funding by private individuals, and this is people who are independently

:46:47. > :46:50.wealthy and have some kind of ideological agenda and they will be

:46:51. > :46:58.passing cash to extremists in the area perhaps further abroad. The

:46:59. > :47:01.rich Saudi businessmen for example? Someone with money. This is

:47:02. > :47:08.something that has happened in the past, we know about it, and

:47:09. > :47:11.prosecuted. There is legislation being implemented to prevent this

:47:12. > :47:17.part of the reason Trump came to the reason -- to the region was to

:47:18. > :47:21.monitor of these -- set up a centre to monitor all of these transactions

:47:22. > :47:31.to identify who is passing money to extremists. Rather than mess

:47:32. > :47:35.happening in an organic manner which can be brought back, this is a

:47:36. > :47:38.government that looks to find extremists in the region from North

:47:39. > :47:43.Africa all the way to Bangladesh. Actually identifies them and then

:47:44. > :47:47.begins to fund them, in order to achieve their own political foreign

:47:48. > :47:55.policy goals. This is something that has to be tackled. What is the

:47:56. > :47:59.motivation for the state of Qatar to be funding extremists? That is the

:48:00. > :48:06.question we have been putting to them for a very long time. It is a

:48:07. > :48:14.question we have put them for a long time. If we find that our, they will

:48:15. > :48:18.become the paymasters of the ideological war within the Middle

:48:19. > :48:21.East. We believe we have come to the end of the line with the Qataris

:48:22. > :48:26.because they are undermining the regional stability of countries in

:48:27. > :48:32.the Arab world. What they are doing is they are funding for example

:48:33. > :48:42.militias and they are tearing these company 's apart. We are saying we

:48:43. > :48:46.can't take this any longer. Qatar says this is absolutely not true. I

:48:47. > :48:49.want to ask you why the UAE yesterday warned its own citizens

:48:50. > :48:55.that if they showed any Seb with Qatar publicly they could face --

:48:56. > :48:59.showed any sympathy with Qatar publicly they could face up to 15

:49:00. > :49:04.years in jail. This is not law committed the expression of one

:49:05. > :49:09.individual, admittedly within the security services. He is focusing on

:49:10. > :49:13.specific groups of provocateurs within the emirate, who we know

:49:14. > :49:17.we'll be trying to provoke more tension between our countries. It is

:49:18. > :49:22.very interesting also. Not all of the Gulf states have taken this

:49:23. > :49:29.stand against Qatar. Reason that is the case, even though we agreed, we

:49:30. > :49:33.still need to leave a door open. We like dialogue, absolutely. The ruler

:49:34. > :49:38.of cool weight is engaged in dialogue in mediation, so to have

:49:39. > :49:41.provocateurs coming and now muddy the waters even further, there is

:49:42. > :49:47.going to be a problem. Just to give you an example, the Turkish decision

:49:48. > :49:50.to send troops to Qatar really doesn't help the situation

:49:51. > :49:53.whatsoever. Briefly, what would constitute showing sympathy, what

:49:54. > :50:00.summary have to do to be jailed for 15 years? It would require

:50:01. > :50:05.denouncing the Emirates and perhaps saying that the Qataris are God's

:50:06. > :50:10.gift to the world, and I doubt that anyone... You think it is right to

:50:11. > :50:16.go to 15 years jail the saying that? I doubt very much that would happen.

:50:17. > :50:22.You can't absolutely rule it out. I can say very clearly that we have a

:50:23. > :50:24.system in place that would satisfy very stringent standards. I don't

:50:25. > :50:32.think anyone will go to jail for that.

:50:33. > :50:35.Music festivals are being encouraged to provide drug safety tests

:50:36. > :50:38.so festival-goers can find out the content and strength

:50:39. > :50:41.of what illegal drugs they're about to take.

:50:42. > :50:43.The Royal Society for Public Health, an independent charity dedicated it

:50:44. > :50:45.says to the 'improvement of the public's health

:50:46. > :50:47.and wellbeing', claims this will help minimise the risks

:50:48. > :50:58.A pilot last year found one in five people ditching their drugs

:50:59. > :51:02.But critics say drugs shouldn't be part of the festival

:51:03. > :51:04.culture to begin with, and such tests could

:51:05. > :51:13.Lets talk to Shirley Cramer, chief executive of the Royal Society

:51:14. > :51:15.for Public Health, Fiona Measham, director of The Loop, providing

:51:16. > :51:17.the drug safety testing facilities, and Elizabeth Burton-Philips,

:51:18. > :51:20.who set up the charity DrugFAM in memory of her son

:51:21. > :51:29.Welcome all of you, hello. Shirley Cramer, good morning to you. Tell us

:51:30. > :51:35.why you are encouraging festivals to provide drug testing facilities? The

:51:36. > :51:43.primary reason is to have a harm reduction plan, because in 2010 we

:51:44. > :51:47.had ten young people die of drug illness or drug-related activity,

:51:48. > :51:55.and that was with ecstasy. And in 2015, we had 57. So we have seen

:51:56. > :51:58.this rapid growth in deaths related to ecstasy, which is the most

:51:59. > :52:05.prevalent drug at festivals and clubs. The people taking the drugs

:52:06. > :52:09.are 16 to 24-year-olds, mostly casual drug users. And your argument

:52:10. > :52:13.is if you knew exactly what was in it, you wouldn't take it? So the

:52:14. > :52:18.strength and content of the drug is not known. When they buy the drug.

:52:19. > :52:24.And what we are trying to do, in a pragmatic way, is awareness and

:52:25. > :52:29.education of these casual drug users to say, actually, they are not that

:52:30. > :52:39.safe. Because in the 1990s, MDMA, which is in ecstasy, would have been

:52:40. > :52:43.around 50 mg or 80 mg of MDMA. It is now about 125 mg on average, so

:52:44. > :52:47.there is more of that active substance. In some of it they have

:52:48. > :52:52.found really toxic substances as well. But in the pilot, if you

:52:53. > :52:58.people decided not to take the drugs but most did not ditch the drugs.

:52:59. > :53:04.But they did get a good intervention from someone who knows about

:53:05. > :53:08.substance misuse. And achieved what? So they are told for example by

:53:09. > :53:12.Kante calf the drug or a quarter of the drug, and they can take them a

:53:13. > :53:17.two or three hour intervals. So I think we need to do more to educate

:53:18. > :53:23.festivalgoers. This is the season for it. We need to explain there is

:53:24. > :53:26.a danger here. Elizabeth, do you think festivalgoers taking illegal

:53:27. > :53:29.drugs don't know there is a danger or they don't think about it? I

:53:30. > :53:37.think it is the mindset of that group of people who have begun to

:53:38. > :53:45.see this as the norm. And awareness is the greatest agent for change. I

:53:46. > :53:52.can understand the logical thinking and the process behind here, but

:53:53. > :53:56.also there is if you like almost a hidden message that it is acceptable

:53:57. > :54:03.to go and get bladdered, get off your face, in particular using

:54:04. > :54:05.ecstasy, MDMA. One of the things I feel quite strongly about,

:54:06. > :54:10.particularly working as a charity with the families whose lives are

:54:11. > :54:14.completely blown apart by these kind of experiences is that perhaps one

:54:15. > :54:17.of the things that could be considered at festivals is having

:54:18. > :54:22.the screens with those who have passed as a result of using drugs at

:54:23. > :54:29.this festivals, going back to the days of Leah Betts, showing images.

:54:30. > :54:35.Fiona Measham, director of the loop, you are providing the drug safety

:54:36. > :54:41.facilities. Elizabeth raises a pertinent point, it is normalising

:54:42. > :54:46.illegal drug-taking. In fact, drug use will happen anyway and this is a

:54:47. > :54:50.pragmatic harm reduction response in relation to that. One of the things

:54:51. > :54:53.we found, to go back to the point of one in five disposing of their

:54:54. > :54:57.drugs, is that also other people were coming to us after they had

:54:58. > :55:03.taken the drugs, and they had had a bad experience they wanted find out

:55:04. > :55:06.what had caused it. We found that was a valuable educational tool, if

:55:07. > :55:13.you like. The forensic tests could then be linked to a harm reduction.

:55:14. > :55:16.So then people could respond appropriately. But it was

:55:17. > :55:19.interesting people were engaging productively and wanted to know

:55:20. > :55:22.after they had consumed the drugs what was in the drugs. People were

:55:23. > :55:29.not necessarily coming to us before they were planning to take the

:55:30. > :55:32.drugs. Jack has tweeted to say I don't do drugs but I see the effects

:55:33. > :55:37.the state -- the stations have, they save lives. If you can't stop them,

:55:38. > :55:42.save them. Lena tweets that you could not possibly normalise drug

:55:43. > :55:46.taking in festivals any more than it normally is -- already is,

:55:47. > :55:50.Elizabeth, how do you respond to that? I think all the time we are

:55:51. > :55:54.trying to reach the mindset of society, and the mindset of the

:55:55. > :56:01.clubbers and the festivalgoers. To help them to understand the fallout

:56:02. > :56:04.that can happen. You cannot guarantee what you put into your

:56:05. > :56:07.body when it is an illegal drug is not going to have some kind of

:56:08. > :56:13.reaction on new anyway, even when it has been tested. And so I think

:56:14. > :56:17.raising levels of awareness is critical here, absolutely critical.

:56:18. > :56:22.This e-mail says I have been attending festivals since the 80s, I

:56:23. > :56:26.now work at several events. I have a teenage daughter who accompanies me,

:56:27. > :56:29.she doesn't use drugs. Testing of drugs at event has been commonplace

:56:30. > :56:32.in countries like Holland for many years was that with all the new

:56:33. > :56:35.designer drugs available it has become impossible to know how

:56:36. > :56:41.harmful they could be. Teenagers will experiment with drugs, always

:56:42. > :56:47.have, surely testing them can only make our children saved -- safer. In

:56:48. > :56:51.fact, that sentiment is what we heard from 1300 festivalgoers. We

:56:52. > :56:54.did a survey at the Royal Society for Public health and we asked

:56:55. > :56:58.festivalgoers do you think this would be really useful service for

:56:59. > :57:05.you, and 95% said yes, it would indeed. But that is kind of no

:57:06. > :57:08.surprise, is it? I am pleased to hear it, because people think it

:57:09. > :57:12.could be stigmatising, they might not have used it but that isn't the

:57:13. > :57:20.answer we are hearing. So I think it is a very positive thing, that they

:57:21. > :57:23.want to be part of it. Elizabeth, you are trying to raise awareness of

:57:24. > :57:27.the harm that can be done when you take illegal drugs and the ripple

:57:28. > :57:34.effect of how it destroys families, friends, networks. When you are 19,

:57:35. > :57:39.when you are 25, you think you are invincible, don't you? And you think

:57:40. > :57:46.this won't be me because I am young, I am invincible. That is right and

:57:47. > :57:51.sadly it is connecting the actions and the consequences, helping the

:57:52. > :57:54.young people to understand that decision to take drugs can change

:57:55. > :57:59.their lives, their families lives forever. Part of the work we do is

:58:00. > :58:04.to visit the bereaved families and when you listen to family members

:58:05. > :58:09.who have got a son or daughter in the mid-20s, 30s, and they have gone

:58:10. > :58:16.out and taken a tablet and they are dead, the devastation. What is

:58:17. > :58:23.inside those strokes, illegal, even paracetamol can kill. OK. Carol says

:58:24. > :58:26.if the drugs were legally available, the quality would be controlled.

:58:27. > :58:32.Simple. And think of the tax revenues. Conor tweets this commute

:58:33. > :58:35.shouldn't be taking illegal drugs anyway and testing makes drug-taking

:58:36. > :58:43.normal. Thank you very much, all of you for coming on the programme.

:58:44. > :58:46.Coming up to ten o'clock. We will bring you the latest news and sport

:58:47. > :58:52.in a moment before love that, the latest weather. Some rain in the

:58:53. > :58:55.forecast for many of that, it has already been falling overnight

:58:56. > :58:58.across parts of Wales, south-west England, happy in places and through

:58:59. > :59:03.the rest are they able slowly push its way northwards. Not everyone

:59:04. > :59:05.seeing the rain. Some parts of central and eastern England staying

:59:06. > :59:08.largely dry but the rain becoming quite persistent for a time across

:59:09. > :59:12.parts of Northern Ireland and arriving in the Scotland later in

:59:13. > :59:16.the day. A brisk south-westerly wind across the rest of the country,

:59:17. > :59:19.pushing a few sharp showers across this afternoon, 19 is the high end

:59:20. > :59:25.the sunshine, 15 or 16 underneath the rain. The rain eventually clears

:59:26. > :59:28.from Northern Ireland, still pushing northwards through Scotland, behind

:59:29. > :59:35.it if you showers, especially across western areas but a mild night the

:59:36. > :59:39.most. For tomorrow, a showery day. The rain eventually clearing from

:59:40. > :59:42.northern Scotland. Behind its showers, shop at times across

:59:43. > :59:46.western areas, as they push eastwards they will weaken and in

:59:47. > :59:50.many places they could be largely dry for central and eastern England.

:59:51. > :59:57.Here the best of the temperature is 21 or 22 Celsius. Hello, good

:59:58. > :00:07.morning, it is ten o'clock it is their stay, iambic Tory adoption.

:00:08. > :00:11.Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and Nicola Sturgeon have already cast

:00:12. > :00:22.their votes, and the other party leaders will be doing so shortly.

:00:23. > :00:34.That was an image of the sacked FBI director James Comey.

:00:35. > :00:38.on television that the President did ask him to drop an investigation

:00:39. > :00:40.into links between his former national security

:00:41. > :00:43.We'll get reaction from the US in just a moment.

:00:44. > :00:46.12 staff at two private care homes in North Devon have been found

:00:47. > :00:51.guilty of abusing adults with learning difficulties. One of them

:00:52. > :00:58.was Ben. His family tell us how he was treated. He told us he used to

:00:59. > :01:04.be dragged into the quiet room and he was told to mind the rats or

:01:05. > :01:09.spiders don't eat you. He would be naked, he said he was hungry, and it

:01:10. > :01:16.was just horrendous. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:01:17. > :01:19.with a summary of today's news. Polling stations are open

:01:20. > :01:25.for millions of people to cast Police forces say there'll be

:01:26. > :01:29.increased security in some areas following the recent terror attacks

:01:30. > :01:32.in Manchester and London. Voting will go on until ten o'clock

:01:33. > :01:44.tonight, with the first results And in the last hour, party leaders

:01:45. > :01:47.have begun casting their votes. Seven weeks after calling the

:01:48. > :01:51.general election, Theresa May visited a polling station in her

:01:52. > :01:52.Maidenhead constituency, while Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn went to

:01:53. > :01:56.a ballot box in North London. And a reminder that you can watch

:01:57. > :01:59.all the results coming The Election 2017 special will be

:02:00. > :02:03.with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News

:02:04. > :02:08.channel from 9.55pm tonight. The former FBI director sacked

:02:09. > :02:10.by Donald Trump will give evidence James Comey claims the US President

:02:11. > :02:15.tried to influence his investigation into links between members

:02:16. > :02:17.of the Trump team and Russia. The White House denies

:02:18. > :02:25.the allegations. Three men have been arrested

:02:26. > :02:27.on suspicion of terror offences after armed officers carried out

:02:28. > :02:30.a series of raids in Two men aged 34 and 37 were arrested

:02:31. > :02:36.at separate addresses in Newham and a 33-year-old man was arrested

:02:37. > :02:38.in Waltham Forest. Police say the arrests

:02:39. > :02:49.are not connected to The Anglican Church in Scotland

:02:50. > :02:53.could be the first in the UK to allow same-sex marriage is. A vote

:02:54. > :02:56.by the Scottish Episcopal Church this afternoon will determine if

:02:57. > :03:00.their definition of marriage should be altered to afford gay couples the

:03:01. > :03:01.same rights to marry. The move is opposed by some traditional

:03:02. > :03:05.Anglicans. A diamond ring bought for ?10

:03:06. > :03:08.at a car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000

:03:09. > :03:13.at auction in London. The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond

:03:14. > :03:15.sold for almost double its estimate. The owner bought the ring

:03:16. > :03:19.in the 1980s and was unaware of its real value, wearing it every

:03:20. > :03:27.day for thirty years. And that's a summary of the latest

:03:28. > :03:42.BBC News. More from me at 10:30am. Thank you for your fabulous photos

:03:43. > :03:47.of dogs from polling stations. I'm not sure where Lauren is or what our

:03:48. > :04:02.dog is called, but what a beautiful hound, I love it, and this is from

:04:03. > :04:11.the. He is just five months old. He is an ancient multisensory breed of

:04:12. > :04:19.dog from Portugal. It can see, hear, smell and bark! It is divided into

:04:20. > :04:24.three sizes of categories, small, medium and large. A tweet from

:04:25. > :04:32.Michael, look at that Westie! That is Phoebe, not at all happy, says

:04:33. > :04:36.Michael, after being joined from -- banned from joining daddy in the

:04:37. > :04:41.polling station. Next, this is Lola off to a polling station in

:04:42. > :04:47.Warrington. This is in Shrewsbury Town, this is champ, his humans as

:04:48. > :04:52.next year he will be old enough to vote.

:04:53. > :04:58.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

:04:59. > :05:01.Use the hashtag #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you'll be charged

:05:02. > :05:11.Here is the latest sport from Huw. Chelsea striker Diego Costa claims

:05:12. > :05:15.his manager Antonio Conte told him in a text message that he is not

:05:16. > :05:21.part of his plans at the club. Diego Costa spoke to supporters last night

:05:22. > :05:26.after a game for Spain. He says he is still a Chelsea player but they

:05:27. > :05:30.don't want him. He helped them to the Premier League title last season

:05:31. > :05:35.scoring 28 goals. England will be without Wayne Rooney

:05:36. > :05:38.for the World Cup qualifier against Scotland this weekend, and the

:05:39. > :05:42.Premier League's top scorer last season, Harry Kane, thinks he is

:05:43. > :05:48.stepped up to take up the armband despite being just 23. Any player

:05:49. > :05:53.growing up as a footballer dreams of being England captain one day, and I

:05:54. > :05:57.am no different, but it is down to Gareth, he is the manager. We have a

:05:58. > :06:03.lot of leaders in this team, and that is important, whoever is

:06:04. > :06:06.captain is captain, but there are plenty of other leaders that contort

:06:07. > :06:11.and help each other out on the pitch. There is a rare event in

:06:12. > :06:17.English football today, a national side stands just 90 minutes from a

:06:18. > :06:21.World Cup final. England play Italy at the under 20 World Cup in South

:06:22. > :06:24.Korea, and despite missing some of their best talent, their former

:06:25. > :06:30.manager believes they have excelled. The fact that we can send an England

:06:31. > :06:37.team there that is without Tammy Abraham is, Izzy Brown, Pat Roberts,

:06:38. > :06:42.who were regulars in that team, and go and perform as well as what they

:06:43. > :06:45.have, and are in the top four and a chance of getting to a final and

:06:46. > :06:50.winning it, I think is a remarkable achievement. Alun Wyn-Jones has been

:06:51. > :06:54.named captain of the British and Irish Lions for Saturday's match

:06:55. > :06:58.against the Crusaders as Warren Gatland attempts to get their tour

:06:59. > :07:01.of New Zealand back on track. The Wales skipper will lead another

:07:02. > :07:06.completely new starting line-up following their defeat to Auckland

:07:07. > :07:09.blues yesterday. Jonathan Davies, Conor Murray, George North and Sean

:07:10. > :07:13.O'Brien will all make their first appearances of the tour.

:07:14. > :07:17.Andy Murray used his frustration to good effect to reach the semifinals

:07:18. > :07:24.of the French Open, where he will play Stan Wawrinka. He lost the

:07:25. > :07:28.first set against Kei Nishikori. He missed his ball toss, and the umpire

:07:29. > :07:33.said he was playing too slowly, giving the point to Nishikori. There

:07:34. > :07:38.was an exchange of views, but Murray went on to win the match in four

:07:39. > :07:46.sets. For a couple of points after that I was, I was fired up a cos I

:07:47. > :07:49.was frustrated at that moment. It felt to me like it was a strange

:07:50. > :07:54.decision. I have never seen someone get a warning after they have missed

:07:55. > :08:00.the ball toss. I have never seen that. After the defending champion

:08:01. > :08:04.Novak Djokovic was knocked out, the seven time grand slam winner John

:08:05. > :08:08.McEnroe suggested he had lost his desire. Djokovic was beaten in

:08:09. > :08:12.straight sets by Dominic Thiem. He lost the third set to love, the

:08:13. > :08:18.first time that has happened to Djokovic in a grand slam for 12

:08:19. > :08:23.years. And that is also now. We are back with more later on.

:08:24. > :08:26.A couple of e-mails on drug facilities at festivals. Brent and

:08:27. > :08:30.David Cross about this. They say, don't make it easier for people to

:08:31. > :08:34.take drugs. Everyone should know street drugs are laced with poisons.

:08:35. > :08:39.Besides, the poisonous drug itself. The phrase teenagers will experiment

:08:40. > :08:45.is Tosh, millions have more sense than to do this. And David says,

:08:46. > :08:48.this is an appalling move, to normalise drug-taking, why not have

:08:49. > :08:55.sniffer dogs to detect drugs. If you have no drugs, you get in. If you

:08:56. > :08:59.have drugs, you face prosecution and a criminal record to go with your

:09:00. > :09:09.university degree. Thank you for those, do keep them coming in. s

:09:10. > :09:14.of the FBI James Comey says he was told by President Trump

:09:15. > :09:17.in meetings shortly before he was sacked.

:09:18. > :09:19.He'll be testifying before Congress today and last night his opening

:09:20. > :09:23.In it he suggests the President asked him to drop an inquiry

:09:24. > :09:25.into Mike Flynn, the National Security Adviser who was fired

:09:26. > :09:28.for misrepresenting his meetings with the Russian Ambassador.

:09:29. > :09:31.Some people are saying this will be bad news for the White House.

:09:32. > :09:38.FBI director James Comey has been fired.

:09:39. > :09:42.Last month President Trump sacked the director of the FBI.

:09:43. > :09:48.James, he's become more famous than me.

:09:49. > :09:51.Later today that man James Comey will be asked questions on live TV

:09:52. > :09:58.Capitol Hill Congress back to work tonight after a break...

:09:59. > :10:00.Here are three questions he's bound to be asked

:10:01. > :10:11.President Trump sacked the FBI director last month.

:10:12. > :10:14.At the time he said he was angry at the way an investigation

:10:15. > :10:16.into his opponent in last year's election Hillary

:10:17. > :10:20.Because he wasn't doing a good job, very simply.

:10:21. > :10:26.Others think he was really fired because the FBI

:10:27. > :10:28.was looking into possible links between the current

:10:29. > :10:32.I was going to fire Comey, my decision...

:10:33. > :10:34.You had made the decision before they came...

:10:35. > :10:42.What the former director thinks will be key here,

:10:43. > :10:44.does he suspect there was a cover-up, a political

:10:45. > :10:52.This is the biggest question hanging over Washington these days.

:10:53. > :10:54.Some suspect Russia tried to influence last year's

:10:55. > :10:57.presidential election by hacking e-mails and even paying staff

:10:58. > :11:06.These are all just allegations, but is there anything more

:11:07. > :11:08.concrete linking Russia with Trump's top team?

:11:09. > :11:14.Director Comey was very unpopular with most people.

:11:15. > :11:18.This is the one single question that could cause most

:11:19. > :11:23.Did Donald Trump ask the then director of the FBI

:11:24. > :11:26.to go easy on this man, Michael Flynn, who was then his

:11:27. > :11:38.At the time, the FBI was looking into his links with Russia.

:11:39. > :11:41.The New York Times has reported that President Trump asked

:11:42. > :11:43.James Comey to let this go, something the White

:11:44. > :11:48.If it's true though and Comey can prove it, it could be seen

:11:49. > :11:50.as obstruction of justice, a criminal offence and that

:11:51. > :11:57.could be very damaging indeed for the President.

:11:58. > :12:01.Lets talk to Professor Inderjeet Parmar from City University,

:12:02. > :12:05.and in Washington Anneke Green who writes for Real Clear Politics,

:12:06. > :12:07.and was a speech writer for President George W Bush

:12:08. > :12:09.and Mara Rudman, former National Security Advisor

:12:10. > :12:22.welcome, all of you. What do you take from James Comey's opening

:12:23. > :12:25.statement? It suggests that the drama we have been witnessing for

:12:26. > :12:29.several months is going to continue. It doesn't appear that anything much

:12:30. > :12:33.has changed in the story he has been telling about his interactions with

:12:34. > :12:41.President Trump, and it looks as if that isn't going to be any in

:12:42. > :12:46.between -- independent evidence. So I suspect this hearing will not give

:12:47. > :12:51.us very much which is new. It will mean a continuation of this drama

:12:52. > :12:57.further forward. The key issue is that there has always been missing

:12:58. > :13:01.any kind of smoking gun about actual collusion of Russia with the Trump

:13:02. > :13:05.campaign, and actual evidence of anything of that type actually

:13:06. > :13:08.happening. So despite all the hearings and people who have given

:13:09. > :13:12.testimony including the statement that James Comey made yesterday, it

:13:13. > :13:32.doesn't appear that there is going to be any kind of fall stop today,

:13:33. > :13:36.it is going to be perhaps a comma. How accurate weather notes made at

:13:37. > :13:43.the time, by James Comey, we don't know that, do we? One thing that is

:13:44. > :13:46.interesting, is that as a member of the FBI, the notes and just actions

:13:47. > :13:52.of interviews has a greater red ability in court. Not that he

:13:53. > :13:55.thought he was going to be testifying in a court when he made

:13:56. > :14:00.these notes, but it does speak to a habit and an assumption that he had

:14:01. > :14:04.that he would at some point need to remember each one of these meetings,

:14:05. > :14:08.and these notes that he made, it was a little more than that. They have

:14:09. > :14:13.been described as memos, and they need to be released. Do you agree

:14:14. > :14:18.with that, they need to be released? I was nodding my head, not too much

:14:19. > :14:26.that they need to be released, but I think it is a very good point about

:14:27. > :14:30.the legal probity. These memos that James Comey made, and the fact that

:14:31. > :14:35.he felt it was important enough that he makes these memos and make them

:14:36. > :14:39.in a virtually real-time. He made this point in his written testimony

:14:40. > :14:47.which has been released a day before he was testifying that even from the

:14:48. > :14:54.very first meeting he had with then President-elect Trump, he was so

:14:55. > :14:58.seized by that meeting that he came out and immediately started drafting

:14:59. > :15:03.a memo in the van, the FBI van, after he left the meeting. That had

:15:04. > :15:11.not been his practice in his previous meetings, he had two with

:15:12. > :15:16.President Obama over his 40 years service, but he had nine meetings in

:15:17. > :15:18.four months with President Trump, and he made these real-time demo

:15:19. > :15:23.recordings of everything that happened in those meetings. And can

:15:24. > :15:28.you explain for those who want to learn more why if Donald Trump asked

:15:29. > :15:33.his FBI director James Comey to go easy on Mike Flynn, former national

:15:34. > :15:36.Security adviser at the time that the FBI was looking at my clinic is

:15:37. > :15:43.linked to the Russians, why that would be so terrible? It would be an

:15:44. > :15:48.attempt to obstruct an ongoing investigation. The role of the FBI

:15:49. > :15:51.is to investigate any kinds of misdemeanour or misconduct, so a

:15:52. > :15:55.president asking a director to drop an investigation or to budget on

:15:56. > :16:00.hold or anything like that could be seen as an obstruction of justice.

:16:01. > :16:03.It could be seen as an attempt to prevent an investigation into

:16:04. > :16:06.something where perhaps the investigation could lead to a

:16:07. > :16:11.smoking gun which could implicate the presidency, or the campaign or

:16:12. > :16:22.whatever, and thereby derail it. And possibly then lead to impeachment

:16:23. > :16:30.hearings. Anneka green, how damaging is this for the president? It could

:16:31. > :16:35.put into headlines the issue of Russian implication. There has not

:16:36. > :16:39.been a smoking gun, so it is a pesky story that people are pursuing that

:16:40. > :16:43.will possibly distract from what he is trying to accomplish for the

:16:44. > :16:49.nation. I would say, though, it is not unusual for presidents to have

:16:50. > :16:52.an easy relationship with the FBI. They are very fierce about their

:16:53. > :16:57.independence, which was set up under J Edgar Hoover, who was through many

:16:58. > :17:02.presidents the sort of person that they wanted to keep close, and keep

:17:03. > :17:06.within the tent, and by firing James Cronin me, that was something can't

:17:07. > :17:12.actually ignored, and by getting rid of him -- James Comey, stopped being

:17:13. > :17:17.able to claim executive privilege over what otherwise would have been

:17:18. > :17:20.an employee of his. Mara Rudman, Donald Trump has hinted that there

:17:21. > :17:26.might be taped recordings of the conversations he had with James

:17:27. > :17:31.Comey. As a former national security adviser for President Obama, with

:17:32. > :17:38.that happen? A president or a President's aid would record those

:17:39. > :17:43.private conversations? First, I was a deputy to President Obama, just a

:17:44. > :17:46.quick correction on that. On the question of tape recordings,

:17:47. > :17:49.obviously the famous ones are those of President Nixon, and the

:17:50. > :17:57.practices of what is recorded and not within the Oval Office have

:17:58. > :18:07.changed over time. So I can't say with specificity whether there are

:18:08. > :18:12.actually recordings, as President Trump hinted at in this case, but I

:18:13. > :18:18.can tell you that this is something the independent counsel will

:18:19. > :18:22.obviously be able to pursue and will undoubtedly pursue. It is something

:18:23. > :18:28.that Congress has certainly asked about in their separate

:18:29. > :18:32.investigations. But where it will absolutely be pursued to finality

:18:33. > :18:33.would be with the independent councillor. Thank you very much all

:18:34. > :18:44.of you. Yesterday we learned 13 people had

:18:45. > :18:47.been convicted because of organised and systematic abuse at two Devon

:18:48. > :18:51.care homes for adults with learning disabilities. One young man with

:18:52. > :18:54.learning difficulties who was abused when he was living at the

:18:55. > :18:59.Winterbourne View care home, which the BBC Panorama did and expose a on

:19:00. > :19:03.five years ago, was also caught up in this abuse when he moved to a

:19:04. > :19:06.home in Devon. We will speak to his mum and sister about how he was

:19:07. > :19:08.treated, and it really is quite shopping, that is just after half

:19:09. > :19:16.past ten. Before that, the Taliban - a hardline

:19:17. > :19:18.Islamic movement in They emerged in the early 1990s,

:19:19. > :19:21.promising to restore peace and security and enforce their own

:19:22. > :19:24.austere version of Sharia, In both countries, they introduced

:19:25. > :19:29.or supported Islamic punishments, such as public executions

:19:30. > :19:32.of convicted murderers and adulterers, and amputations

:19:33. > :19:35.of those found guilty of theft. Men were required to grow beards,

:19:36. > :19:38.and women had to wear The Taliban banned television,

:19:39. > :19:44.music and cinema, and disapproved of girls aged ten and over

:19:45. > :19:47.from going to school. They were also accused

:19:48. > :19:52.of protecting Osama Bin Laden, the man behind the Twin

:19:53. > :19:56.Tower attacks in 2001. The fight to drive the Taliban out

:19:57. > :19:58.of Afghanistan immediately after 9/11 cost the lives

:19:59. > :20:00.of hundreds of British, American Many of them died fighting

:20:01. > :20:03.in Helmand province Well, two years ago,

:20:04. > :20:11.shortly after the troops came home, the Taliban took back

:20:12. > :20:14.many of the areas that British Since then, little has

:20:15. > :20:17.been known of what life Aulia Atrafi from the BBC's

:20:18. > :20:29.Afghan Service got exclusive access to their "capital",

:20:30. > :20:31.effectively their capital - a place called Musa Qala -

:20:32. > :20:34.to see if they have changed - and what legacy the British

:20:35. > :20:39.presence there left. It's a road no journalist has

:20:40. > :20:43.taken for a long time. Ever since Taliban fighters overrun

:20:44. > :20:47.most of Helmand Province two years ago, life under their rule has

:20:48. > :20:51.been hidden from view. We didn't have to travel far,

:20:52. > :21:01.all we had to do was get off The thing about the Taliban

:21:02. > :21:05.is you can travel here for miles without seeing an armed person,

:21:06. > :21:08.it's more the idea of the Taliban The road takes us through the once

:21:09. > :21:20.bustling town of Sangin, more than 100 British soldiers died

:21:21. > :21:23.here, now it is just rubble guarded We push on, we are heading

:21:24. > :21:35.for their capital, Musa Qala. This river, the River Helmand

:21:36. > :21:37.is what separates Sangin district One of the most important centres

:21:38. > :21:52.for the Taliban, the heartland, The first international

:21:53. > :21:58.journalists in years to see Our ever-present Taliban minder

:21:59. > :22:08.drives just ahead of us. As we enter town, the weekly

:22:09. > :22:12.travelling bazaar is taking place. On the surface, it could be

:22:13. > :22:16.a bustling market anywhere in Afghanistan, but there are some

:22:17. > :22:19.tell-tale signs we are The men are all wearing

:22:20. > :22:24.traditional clothes, And there are some stalls

:22:25. > :22:41.you would only find here. These ammunition captured

:22:42. > :22:46.from the national army, 25 cents each, AK-47,

:22:47. > :22:48.25 cents each and supply and demand here in the bazaar,

:22:49. > :22:51.this Russian machine gun bullet, each used to cost 40 cents,

:22:52. > :22:56.now dropped to 15 cents because the shopkeeper says

:22:57. > :22:58.the Talibani have From the Afghan National

:22:59. > :23:18.Security forces. We leave the market

:23:19. > :23:20.and drive across town As we arrive, the students, all

:23:21. > :23:29.boys, are doing religious studies. Our minder tells us they also

:23:30. > :23:37.study maths and science. And have no problem with girls

:23:38. > :23:39.getting an education, It is here we first

:23:40. > :23:43.encounter the strange The school is run by

:23:44. > :23:49.the Taliban, but still funded The teachers say there are small

:23:50. > :23:59.changes in the way these subjects are taught in school,

:24:00. > :24:05.but from the time when these schools were burnt by the Taliban, to now,

:24:06. > :24:08.where Taliban encourage the running of these schools is a big step

:24:09. > :24:29.forward for these children here. In the playground, the main

:24:30. > :24:33.attraction seems to be our cameras. Most of the children have never

:24:34. > :24:37.seen anything like them, it is a reminder just how isolated

:24:38. > :24:41.these communities are. The boys that get an education

:24:42. > :25:07.say they appreciate it. For some pupils, the novelty of our

:25:08. > :25:17.visit is obviously wearing off. The drive across Musa Qala

:25:18. > :25:22.feels strangely normal. Our destination is the local

:25:23. > :25:24.hospital, like the school it is funded by the government

:25:25. > :25:30.but run by the Taliban. It is supposed to look after 120,000

:25:31. > :25:38.people but lacks basic facilities. There is no female doctor or child

:25:39. > :25:40.specialist, you can't even And now, the surgeon is leaving too,

:25:41. > :25:48.because he hasn't been paid He didn't want to appear on camera,

:25:49. > :25:55.but told us how bad things have got. Do you think the system

:25:56. > :25:57.where government hospitals are run in Taliban areas,

:25:58. > :25:59.do you think this Do you think the system

:26:00. > :26:27.where government hospitals are run in Taliban areas,

:26:28. > :26:30.do you think this The next day we meet

:26:31. > :26:47.the Taliban spokesman, this is the closest view anyone has

:26:48. > :26:50.had of how they run They remain a deeply controversial

:26:51. > :26:54.organisation in Afghanistan, But they claim their approach

:26:55. > :27:37.to governance has changed. That evening, we are taken

:27:38. > :27:39.to see what passes for Since the end of the Taliban's

:27:40. > :27:52.bloody campaign some security has returned to the district

:27:53. > :27:55.but freedoms are limited. Away from the minders, one teenager

:27:56. > :27:58.tells me he got 40 lashes Mobile phones are banned

:27:59. > :28:05.for ordinary people, as is filming This man is open about

:28:06. > :28:22.being an opium dealer. After four nights, it's finally time

:28:23. > :28:33.to leave Taliban occupied Helmand. The Taliban proved very effective,

:28:34. > :28:36.in terms of fighting, now they have captured huge

:28:37. > :28:38.territories in Helmand and now they have to govern them and that's

:28:39. > :28:44.the next challenge for them. How much they will join the modern

:28:45. > :28:52.world and how much they will reject. This region where so many British

:28:53. > :28:55.soldiers fought and died is now mostly under the control

:28:56. > :29:00.of their former enemies. But you can feel a legacy here,

:29:01. > :29:10.the idea that a government should provide public services,

:29:11. > :29:12.education, hospitals, is now expected by the people

:29:13. > :29:14.of Helmand and becoming accepted Absolutely fascinating, and also

:29:15. > :29:32.chilling. Let's speak now to Auliya Atrafi,

:29:33. > :29:38.who made that film. How did you get them to agree to

:29:39. > :29:42.filming in the first place? We worked on this for more than a year,

:29:43. > :29:45.twice we were close to going there and something would come up and we

:29:46. > :29:51.were unable to go, and third time lucky. Where you chaperoned the

:29:52. > :29:56.whole time? Did you feel that you were being manipulated by them?

:29:57. > :30:00.Absolutely, there were one vehicle, sometimes two vehicles. The

:30:01. > :30:05.immediate team was there and they had an English-speaking who is

:30:06. > :30:09.always saying what I was saying, and they were gently manipulative. They

:30:10. > :30:20.didn't want us to film anything to do with opium. Why? Because they see

:30:21. > :30:24.themselves now as a legitimate government, because they have these

:30:25. > :30:28.are vast areas under their control, so they want to be treated with

:30:29. > :30:33.respect, they are craving legitimacy, but they know that in

:30:34. > :30:38.international level, if your economy is based on opium, you won't get

:30:39. > :30:43.much legitimacy. They have become image and media conscious. Where you

:30:44. > :30:47.ever scared? I was, to be fair the Taliban were very gentle with us,

:30:48. > :30:54.but it was just the idea of roaming around with guys who don't mind

:30:55. > :30:58.dying, so you think, what if they suddenly decide to hurt you? What

:30:59. > :31:05.would be there to stop them? So when I came back to Lashkar Gah, I had

:31:06. > :31:10.nightmares. So many things strike me from that film. The lack of girls

:31:11. > :31:13.and women. The fact that people are not free. They can't have mobiles,

:31:14. > :31:24.play instruments or watch Olly Woodburn is. -- Bollywood films. But

:31:25. > :31:28.people do feel secure. That is right, there is an analysis that the

:31:29. > :31:32.Taliban success is not due to them being very good, it is due to the

:31:33. > :31:37.governance being poor, especially in rural areas, poor areas to say the

:31:38. > :31:46.least, and that gives the Taliban the edge. And also policies such as

:31:47. > :31:49.not stopping the poppy harvest, it makes people comfortable, it is in

:31:50. > :31:51.their interests that the Taliban are there rather than the government

:31:52. > :31:56.because the government could eradicate the poppy harvest. If you

:31:57. > :31:59.had to sum up the changes from what you have seen this time and say the

:32:00. > :32:06.last time you were there, what would you say? Striking. Only a few years

:32:07. > :32:10.ago, my teacher in Helmand province was killed because he ignored the

:32:11. > :32:14.warnings to stop his school, so schools were destroyed in my

:32:15. > :32:19.district. But now the Taliban are encouraging schools, and sometimes

:32:20. > :32:25.building extensions to hospitals with their own money. It is a

:32:26. > :32:30.striking difference. But I think they will face difficulties when it

:32:31. > :32:33.comes to whether people take these things for granted, and they want

:32:34. > :32:37.liberties, and these liberties, the Taliban will struggle to give,

:32:38. > :32:41.because that is where they will lose their legitimacy if they open their

:32:42. > :32:46.doors entirely to modernity, so it is this big to be or not to be

:32:47. > :32:50.dilemma for the Taliban, how much modernity should they open up to?

:32:51. > :33:02.Thank you very much. Still to come in the last half an

:33:03. > :33:08.hour: After 12 staff at two private care homes in Devon have been found

:33:09. > :33:12.guilty of abusing patients, we here for the family one of the victims.

:33:13. > :33:16.And the Anglican Church in Scotland holds a historic vote later on

:33:17. > :33:17.whether to allow gay couples to marry in church. We will speak to

:33:18. > :33:26.campaigners for and against. And obviously more dogs at polling

:33:27. > :33:29.stations. But first the headlines with Anita.

:33:30. > :33:35.Thank you, good morning. Polling stations are open for millions to

:33:36. > :33:39.cast their votes at the general election. Police forces say there

:33:40. > :33:44.will be increased security in some areas following recent terror

:33:45. > :33:48.attacks in some areas Manchester and London. The first results are

:33:49. > :33:53.expected around midnight. Party leaders have begun casting their

:33:54. > :33:58.votes. Seven weeks after calling a general election, Theresa May

:33:59. > :34:00.visited a polling station in her Maidenhead constituency, while the

:34:01. > :34:05.Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn went to a ballot box in North London. And a

:34:06. > :34:09.reminder that you can watch all the results coming in throughout the

:34:10. > :34:14.night, joined David Dimbleby and the team tonight on BBC One and the BBC

:34:15. > :34:20.News Channel 4 election 2017. That coverage starts at 9:55pm.

:34:21. > :34:22.The former FBI director sacked by Donald Trump will give evidence

:34:23. > :34:26.James Comey claims the US President tried to influence his investigation

:34:27. > :34:29.into alleged links between members of the Trump team and Russia.

:34:30. > :34:40.The White House denies the allegations.

:34:41. > :34:44.Three men have been arrested on suspicion of terror offences after

:34:45. > :34:51.armed officers carried out raids this morning. Police say the arrests

:34:52. > :34:58.are not connected to the London Bridge attack. A diamond ring bought

:34:59. > :35:00.the ?10 of the car-boot sale has been sold for more than ?650,000 at

:35:01. > :35:04.auction in London. The 26-carat cushion-shaped diamond

:35:05. > :35:06.sold for almost double its estimate. The owner bought the ring

:35:07. > :35:09.in the 1980s and was unaware of its real value,

:35:10. > :35:19.wearing it every day That's a summary of the latest news,

:35:20. > :35:25.join me for BBC newsroom live at 11 o'clock. After the sport we will

:35:26. > :35:33.show you footage obtained by The Times of the three London attackers'

:35:34. > :35:37.days before the attack, laughing and joking before they carried out the

:35:38. > :35:41.attack on Saturday night. Let's get the latest sport.

:35:42. > :35:45.Chelsea striker Diego Costa could be on his way out of Stamford Bridge

:35:46. > :35:50.despite helping the club to last season's Premier League title

:35:51. > :35:53.scoring 20 goals in the process. He claimed he was told via text message

:35:54. > :35:58.from his boss that he is no longer in the club's plans. There is an

:35:59. > :36:04.all-new Lions line-up for their third tour of New Zealand. Alun

:36:05. > :36:15.Wyn-Jones will be the captain in Christchurch on Saturday. The Lions

:36:16. > :36:18.are facing a big challenge. For the fourth year in a row Andy Murray is

:36:19. > :36:22.through to the semifinals of the French Open. He had to fight for his

:36:23. > :36:26.place, coming from a set down against Kei Nishikori. He faces Stan

:36:27. > :36:35.Wawrinka next in a repeat of last year's; which Murray won. And if you

:36:36. > :36:38.were wondering about Sir Ben Ainslie's progress in the America's

:36:39. > :36:42.Cup, there hasn't been any, today's racing was called off due to high

:36:43. > :36:47.winds in Bermuda. Better conditions hope for tomorrow. Thank you.

:36:48. > :36:49.The three men who carried out the London Bridge terror attack

:36:50. > :36:52.were filmed laughing and joking in the days before they killed eight

:36:53. > :36:58.The Times newspaper has obtained footage of Khuram Butt,

:36:59. > :37:00.Rachid Redouane and Youssef Zagba outside a gym in

:37:01. > :38:05.The three London Bridge attackers days before carrying out their

:38:06. > :38:06.murderous assault on completely innocent British people and people

:38:07. > :38:16.from around the world. A few moments ago the Liberal

:38:17. > :38:18.Democrat leader Tim Farron arrived at his constituency

:38:19. > :38:20.in Kendal in Cumbria. Mr Farron has actually already voted

:38:21. > :38:23.by post but has still gone along Polls are open until ten o'clock

:38:24. > :38:27.this evening with first results The Election 2017 special will be

:38:28. > :38:32.with David Dimbleby. That's on BBC One and the BBC News

:38:33. > :38:45.channel from 9.55pm tonight. You will get the exit poll at five

:38:46. > :38:50.to ten, published jointly by the broadcasters exactly at ten o'clock,

:38:51. > :38:54.so tune in at 52, and you can watch Mishal Husain, Jeremy Vine, David

:38:55. > :38:59.Dimbleby, Emily Maitlis, Laura Kuenssberg and our correspondents up

:39:00. > :39:02.and down the UK to bring you the latest results.

:39:03. > :39:05.Twelve staff at two private care homes in North Devon have now been

:39:06. > :39:08.convicted of the "organised and systemic" abuse of adults

:39:09. > :39:12.They often punished those they were supposed to be caring

:39:13. > :39:14.for by putting them in an empty room with no food, heating

:39:15. > :39:21.One of those affected was 25-year-old Ben.

:39:22. > :39:25.He had been moved to the home after being abused at Winterbourne View,

:39:26. > :39:31.the home exposed by BBC Panorama in 2011.

:39:32. > :39:32.Ben's sister Emma Garrod and his mum Claire spoke to me earlier.

:39:33. > :39:51.First of all, tell us a little bit about Ben. Ben is a very sensitive,

:39:52. > :40:01.fun loving, polite person. He is just a really, really nice person,

:40:02. > :40:05.and yes. I think he's a joy to be around, and with the right support

:40:06. > :40:12.and the right care, he gives back so much more than is ever put into him.

:40:13. > :40:18.And he had been at Winterbourne view care home, where he had been

:40:19. > :40:22.mistreated. Tell us about that. He had his jaw fractured at

:40:23. > :40:30.Winterbourne View, and he lost his front teeth. So we were quite

:40:31. > :40:35.disgusted with that. And to be in this position again is just

:40:36. > :40:41.unbelievable. What happened when he moved to the place in Devon? The

:40:42. > :40:45.place in Devon, they picked him up from Winterbourne, and they told us

:40:46. > :40:51.we wouldn't be able to see him for two weeks, and we didn't see him for

:40:52. > :40:55.five. They made every excuse under the sun to stop us from seeing him.

:40:56. > :41:00.We did see him on occasion and we had a lovely time, but he always

:41:01. > :41:05.looked really terrified when he had to go back. So when you were not

:41:06. > :41:08.able to see him for the first two weeks and then it turned out to be

:41:09. > :41:13.five, what did you think was going on? Straightaway, alarm bells were

:41:14. > :41:17.ringing, and it was clear that everything they promised wasn't

:41:18. > :41:21.going to happen. And when you say you eventually did get to see him

:41:22. > :41:29.and he looked terrified, tell us more. He was a lot quieter than he

:41:30. > :41:34.had been for a long time. He was really pleased to see us, but he

:41:35. > :41:40.didn't tell us anything at that stage. He just enjoyed his home

:41:41. > :41:45.visits. But when they came to pick him up, he was just terrified. And

:41:46. > :41:52.was that when you started to think, we need to get him out? Yes. When

:41:53. > :41:55.they stopped us seeing him for five weeks, I already knew that something

:41:56. > :42:06.was terribly wrong. How long did it take? It took us over a year, and

:42:07. > :42:11.then they gave him 28 days notice, but the investigation started so he

:42:12. > :42:15.didn't serve those 28 days, and he went to a farmers and emergency

:42:16. > :42:20.placement. Which you were happy with, I think, when to? We were,

:42:21. > :42:27.yes. And when did it become clear, when was he able to let you know how

:42:28. > :42:31.he had been treated? Ben didn't say anything for a long time, he was so

:42:32. > :42:37.traumatised, and he let us know through a song. He was listening to

:42:38. > :42:40.Emeli Sande, and it said something about staring through the glass, and

:42:41. > :42:46.it just poured out. It was a credible. What did he tell you? He

:42:47. > :42:53.told us that he used to be dragged into the quiet room. He used to be

:42:54. > :43:02.kicked and told mind the rats or spiders don't eat you. He used to be

:43:03. > :43:08.naked. He said he was hungry. It was horrendous. He said he slept on an

:43:09. > :43:13.air bed, but he said it was burst, and he said there was nothing to do.

:43:14. > :43:19.How did you respond when he finally revealed this to you? To be honest,

:43:20. > :43:24.I was sat typing everything he said, obviously ready to send it to the

:43:25. > :43:27.police, but I had to do almost something that I don't think it is

:43:28. > :43:30.possible for many people to do, because how I didn't start crying, I

:43:31. > :43:35.don't know, but I think he was testing me as well to make sure he

:43:36. > :43:38.could trust me. And how did you respond, Emma? What did you think

:43:39. > :43:46.when you heard what had happened to Ben? I think a big part of me was

:43:47. > :43:51.just totally disgusted by the fact that this could happen again, and

:43:52. > :43:58.that once more the duty of care had been failed so dramatically. But a

:43:59. > :44:04.big part of me just didn't want to believe it, and I think was just

:44:05. > :44:09.kind of scared for the future as well in terms of Ben lives and

:44:10. > :44:14.exists within the system, and he will have to do that for the rest of

:44:15. > :44:18.his life, and being utterly terrified for what comes next,

:44:19. > :44:25.because we needed him to be settled and happy, and he had been failed

:44:26. > :44:33.too many times. Is he still damaged now, then, by that experience?

:44:34. > :44:38.Incredibly. He has really bad flashbacks, and he will say, why did

:44:39. > :44:48.I do that? He is really remorseful, obviously to me he has PTSD off the

:44:49. > :44:53.scale. But it is really bad. I am not just his mother, I am his

:44:54. > :44:57.psychiatrist, it is terrible. I can get many calls, day or night, my

:44:58. > :45:03.phone is never off, I can't go for a holiday, but as his mother, it is my

:45:04. > :45:07.duty to be there for him. There have now been convictions, you saw the

:45:08. > :45:11.defendants in court, some will never be able to work with vulnerable

:45:12. > :45:17.people again. What was the court process like for you and then? Then

:45:18. > :45:23.was protected because he didn't know anything was going on. But what I

:45:24. > :45:28.heard in court was not him. They were just not describing him. None

:45:29. > :45:36.of it was him. He is just such a lovely person, and it was one-sided.

:45:37. > :45:44.It was gruelling. I sat there for 14 weeks every day through two trials,

:45:45. > :45:51.but Devon and Cornwall police, they did a sterling job, and I felt very

:45:52. > :45:55.cared for, and some of the learning disability charities came and sat

:45:56. > :45:59.with me, and when it got really tough, but it was very difficult not

:46:00. > :46:12.to stand up and scream, because that was not Ben Brown. wattage you think

:46:13. > :46:16.about the way your brother was portrayed when he wasn't on trial?

:46:17. > :46:21.It was unbelievable that was the way it went from the start of the trial.

:46:22. > :46:28.He wasn't on trial, like you said. He was the victim in this case, and

:46:29. > :46:33.one of a few victims, and he deserved his opportunity to have a

:46:34. > :46:39.voice and that courtroom. Unfortunately he was denied that

:46:40. > :46:43.boys and he was vilified, instead. Thank you both very much for talking

:46:44. > :46:49.to us, we really appreciate your time, player and Emma Gareth. Thank

:46:50. > :46:56.you very much. Thank you. Thank you. The Garrett family have been

:46:57. > :47:01.supported by the charity mencap. I don't understand how adults who are

:47:02. > :47:04.there to care for people who are really vulnerable, so many adults,

:47:05. > :47:08.can mistreat them in such a vile disgusting way. How does it happen?

:47:09. > :47:12.These were isolated care homes. The judge of the case made it clear that

:47:13. > :47:19.he thought a culture of abuse developed their lead from people at

:47:20. > :47:25.the top of the organisation. Families, as Claire said, were

:47:26. > :47:28.blocked from visiting often, so they were not able to see what went on in

:47:29. > :47:38.the care home. When you put those things together, with concerns not

:47:39. > :47:44.putting together, those concerns were not acted quickly enough. When

:47:45. > :47:49.you put those on, it could be not tackled and shut down. If you are

:47:50. > :47:57.relatives of somebody like Ben Garratt, who is being cared for 20

:47:58. > :48:02.47, most weeks, and they block you, as relatives from going to visit,

:48:03. > :48:08.what should you do? Ring the police? Altar if you think that the person

:48:09. > :48:11.in an establishment is in immediate danger, then yes. What if you are

:48:12. > :48:19.not sure but you just think, that is so weird, they won't let me visit my

:48:20. > :48:28.son? You should immediately safeguard. You should call the

:48:29. > :48:31.police. I would like to pay tribute to Ben, all the people with learning

:48:32. > :48:35.disabilities, their families, who have been involved with this trial,

:48:36. > :48:41.which is taken six years to come to court. To be able to tell their

:48:42. > :48:46.story about what happened I think is incredibly important now. That we

:48:47. > :48:53.work with the families to learn lessons from what happened during

:48:54. > :48:56.the court. Claire said she felt it was likely people with learning

:48:57. > :49:01.disabilities themselves were on trial, which is extraordinary. We

:49:02. > :49:03.think we have learned when it comes to sexual exploitation cases, when

:49:04. > :49:07.young girls felt they were on trial when they were the victims. We think

:49:08. > :49:11.we have learned there but not people with learning abilities, I'd --

:49:12. > :49:15.disabilities, I don't know. The juries were never told when people

:49:16. > :49:20.were being supported themselves now, which was in the community, people

:49:21. > :49:28.were being portrayed as being wilfully violent.

:49:29. > :49:35.Of course living with the shocking legacy of what their experience

:49:36. > :49:38.there. OK, and really sad to hear from Ben Garratt buzz like mother,

:49:39. > :49:43.Claire, the impact of what happened to him five years ago -- Ben

:49:44. > :49:48.Garrod's mother, Claire. The still living with it. There is support for

:49:49. > :49:54.the ball out there like Ben, who have enjoyed huge, and coping with

:49:55. > :49:57.that, and for their families -- huge trauma. They need to be supported

:49:58. > :50:03.through that time. Thank you very much.

:50:04. > :50:08.The Scottish Episcopal Church, the Anglican church in Scotland, is

:50:09. > :50:12.holding an historic vote today on whether to allow same-sex marriage

:50:13. > :50:16.in church. They vote in favour would make them the first part of the

:50:17. > :50:19.Anglican church in the UK to allow gay marriage, and would put them at

:50:20. > :50:21.odds with traditionalists. Let's talk to our correspondent.

:50:22. > :50:23.Our correspondent Michael Buchanan joins us now

:50:24. > :50:31.Talk our audience through this because reversal issue. Morning,

:50:32. > :50:36.yes. This vote is expected to be passed. It will take place at the

:50:37. > :50:41.Synod of the Scottish Episcopal church later on this afternoon in

:50:42. > :50:45.Edinburgh. For the church to change the rules to allow gay marriage,

:50:46. > :50:50.there will have to be a two thirds majority in all three houses of the

:50:51. > :50:57.sin not, the bishops, the clergy and lay members. There was an initial

:50:58. > :51:05.boat. They needed a simple majority but they did get a two thirds

:51:06. > :51:07.majority. There is still an expectation by both supporters and

:51:08. > :51:14.opponents of this measure that this boat will be passed today. The

:51:15. > :51:17.consequence of that is that gay ambush can couples in Scotland --

:51:18. > :51:26.gay Anglican couples in Scotland will also be put get married in

:51:27. > :51:31.churches but Sobel gay couples from England to -- so we'll gay couples

:51:32. > :51:34.from England. They are planning on announcing later today after this

:51:35. > :51:38.vote, they are planning on announcing that a missionary bishop

:51:39. > :51:43.will be appointed to take care of congregations across Europe, who

:51:44. > :51:47.feel that they can't support gay marriage, can't support the line

:51:48. > :51:49.that the Scottish Episcopal Church will probably take this afternoon,

:51:50. > :51:53.and will therefore have somebody else they can turn to for spiritual

:51:54. > :51:56.guidance. Guevara much, Michael Buchanan.

:51:57. > :51:58.Joining me now is Jayne Ozanne, a prominent campaigner on LGBT

:51:59. > :52:01.issues in the Anglican Church, and a member of its synod,

:52:02. > :52:03.and Susie Leafe, Director of Reform, a network

:52:04. > :52:06.of Conservative Evangelicals within the Church of England.

:52:07. > :52:13.Susie Leafe, it looks like this will be passed. What do you think? I

:52:14. > :52:17.think it will be a very sad day, in some way is, for the Scottish

:52:18. > :52:22.Episcopal Church. I think if they pass this motion, they know that

:52:23. > :52:25.they are doing that against the wishes of the wider Anglican

:52:26. > :52:30.community, and what they will do will cause problems, strain and

:52:31. > :52:39.distance in relationships worldwide. Why are you against it? Why am I

:52:40. > :52:42.against it? Well, Jesus was asked about marriage, and he chose to

:52:43. > :52:46.define marriage as between one man and one woman for life, he chose to

:52:47. > :52:50.submit himself to the Scriptures, and what is good enough for Jesus is

:52:51. > :52:56.good enough for me. OK, let me bring in Jane. I saw you raise your

:52:57. > :53:00.eyebrows a little as Susie was explaining her views when it came to

:53:01. > :53:05.Jesus and marriage. How do you answer what she says? Well, I think

:53:06. > :53:09.the important thing to remember here is that we read Scripture

:53:10. > :53:13.differently, and that is what the Scottish Episcopal Church is

:53:14. > :53:15.recognising today, which I think is extraordinarily courageous and

:53:16. > :53:18.important, that they know different people look at Scripture

:53:19. > :53:23.differently. I passionately believe in Scripture but Jesus was answering

:53:24. > :53:27.a question about divorce at that point, and he was emphasising it was

:53:28. > :53:30.one man and one woman. Interestingly, a lot of African

:53:31. > :53:34.bishops are married to many women and they don't seem to decide to

:53:35. > :53:42.listen to Jesus at that point. Could you name one? I can't actually. I

:53:43. > :53:45.know that the Lambeth conference is preparing and has had to prepare in

:53:46. > :53:51.the past for bishops to bring their second wives. I can't Susie at the

:53:52. > :53:56.moment, but I know it to be true and you know it to be true. I don't know

:53:57. > :54:01.any African bishops. Who are married to more than one woman. I don't know

:54:02. > :54:04.that is important but we all know that polygamy exists, and the

:54:05. > :54:08.important thing is that we believe love is to be celebrated, and Jesus

:54:09. > :54:12.actually talked an awful lot about love. And the important thing here

:54:13. > :54:17.is that we have a church who recognises the integrity of people

:54:18. > :54:20.who hold different points of view, and has created a conscience clause

:54:21. > :54:26.to enable that to happen. I think that is what has happened. Susie

:54:27. > :54:32.Leafe, show a bit of love to gay people who want to get married in a

:54:33. > :54:38.church. I would love to show love to all gay people. Not if they want to

:54:39. > :54:41.get married in a church. We seem to believe that the only loving thing

:54:42. > :54:45.to do the beetle is to affirm them in whatever decision they choose to

:54:46. > :54:49.make. Jesus didn't do that. He was one of the most loving people in the

:54:50. > :54:52.world ever to live. He was God incarnate, and he welcomed everyone.

:54:53. > :54:58.There is no doubt. Everyone is welcome in our churches in this

:54:59. > :55:02.country. But if we really love people, we want to show them what

:55:03. > :55:06.God says about the way in which we can be forgiven, we can be loved,

:55:07. > :55:12.and we can be transformed, to live according to the ways in which God

:55:13. > :55:17.wants us to live. Jayne, if Jesus was around, would he let gay couples

:55:18. > :55:24.get married in the Anglican church? Of course it would. How can you say

:55:25. > :55:27.that? Because that is exactly how he talks to me, how he embraces me, how

:55:28. > :55:33.he wants to celebrate the God-given love he has given me. I appreciate

:55:34. > :55:36.you don't believe that, Susy, and luckily you are straight so you

:55:37. > :55:40.don't have to believe that about anything else but I believe that

:55:41. > :55:47.Jesus passionately wants to embrace all. We did a survey last year that

:55:48. > :55:52.most of the LGBT community thinks the church rejects them. The

:55:53. > :55:56.important thing is that God loves and he celebrates love and he wants

:55:57. > :56:02.us to have the God-given desire confirmed in marriage in church.

:56:03. > :56:05.Susie Leafe, if this vote is passed and according to our correspondence

:56:06. > :56:10.Michael Buchanan, it will be, what will you do? I am in England but one

:56:11. > :56:13.of the great things your correspondent mentioned was this

:56:14. > :56:19.idea of a missionary bishop. We want to get on with both in England and

:56:20. > :56:23.Scotland with telling people about the great offer that Jesus gives the

:56:24. > :56:29.people, whether straight or gay, whether young or old, and I believe

:56:30. > :56:34.that a missionary bishop who upholds what the Bible teaches will mean

:56:35. > :56:39.that the kind of churches which are growing and thriving in this church

:56:40. > :56:44.will have a spiritual leadership. The kinds of churches that are

:56:45. > :56:48.declining, and the Scottish Episcopal Church is a tiny church

:56:49. > :56:50.and has been shrinking for some time, those churches, everyone is

:56:51. > :56:56.free to make a decision as they like. But I am really looking

:56:57. > :57:00.forward to the idea of having a missionary bishop who longs to see

:57:01. > :57:05.more and more people come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. And very

:57:06. > :57:08.briefly, Jayne, in seconds, if this goes through, how will you

:57:09. > :57:11.celebrate? We will be extremely happy and I think it is very

:57:12. > :57:16.disingenuous to talk about missionary bishops, every bishop is

:57:17. > :57:21.a missionary bishop, she has one already in Maidstone. The important

:57:22. > :57:23.thing is that gay people can be affirmed, accepted and celebrate the

:57:24. > :57:24.love that they have and it is a wonderful thing to celebrate. Thank

:57:25. > :57:29.you both. Before we leave you, Here are some more pics of your dogs

:57:30. > :57:32.at polling stations. she did not have a brush this

:57:33. > :57:40.morning. She's a wondrous

:57:41. > :57:42.five-month-old High-malt - a Westie and Maltese Cross

:57:43. > :57:45.three-and-a-half-leg rescue dog. This is Winston the Warrior

:57:46. > :57:48.at Lockerley polling station Glenn Birrell says our Border

:57:49. > :58:00.terriers George, 17 weeks, We were first to vote

:58:01. > :58:09.in Hebburn North. Sidney the cockerdor -

:58:10. > :58:12.half lab and half cocker - Kira helping out with voting -

:58:13. > :58:27.she's a 12-year-old German pointer. Thank you so much for humouring me.

:58:28. > :58:32.Have a great day, don't forget to vote. BBC One, five to ten for

:58:33. > :58:37.Hang on, you haven't even told me what it is yet.