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:00:11. > :00:12.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:13. > :00:24.The law no deal, Theresa May will meet the leader of the DUP to broker

:00:25. > :00:30.a will to help her stay on in Number Ten. -- deal or no deal. Theresa May

:00:31. > :00:34.tells the party there will be no backtracking on gay rights, despite

:00:35. > :00:36.the deal with the DUP, but could it signal an end to austerity and a

:00:37. > :00:38.shift on Brexit? With MPs returning

:00:39. > :00:41.to the Commons today, we've gathered together

:00:42. > :00:43.a group of you to tell politicians what you want

:00:44. > :00:55.from them in their job. Integrity, I think integrity is key,

:00:56. > :01:04.we want somebody that will have the same persona in their public life as

:01:05. > :01:10.they do in their private lie. Sir Menzies have an inability to answer

:01:11. > :01:27.questions directly, and it is really simple. -- some MPs. Serving as an

:01:28. > :01:33.MP is a privilege, not a right. Almost a year since Jo Cox was

:01:34. > :01:37.murdered, her parents tell us how much they miss her. We will always

:01:38. > :01:42.be broken, because there is a piece missing. To the outside, while we do

:01:43. > :01:46.appear strong, all of us, there is a lot of days when they are bad, it is

:01:47. > :01:47.bad. We'll talk to Jo Cox's sister

:01:48. > :01:56.and husband before 11. And this programme has learned that

:01:57. > :02:01.another group which represents sexual abuse survivors is pulling

:02:02. > :02:05.out of the Government's sex abuse inquiry, accusing Theresa May of

:02:06. > :02:14.failing to protect survivors. We will hear from them before ten.

:02:15. > :02:17.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

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:02:39. > :02:48.Our top story today, Theresa May will meet Arlene Foster to thrash

:02:49. > :02:52.out the details of a deal to support a minority, government.

:02:53. > :02:58.Opposition parties criticised the talks, Sinn Fein suggesting the deal

:02:59. > :03:01.would undermine the Good Friday peace agreement. With Brexit talks

:03:02. > :03:05.due to begin in less than a week, the EU chief negotiator Michel

:03:06. > :03:11.Barnier has called on Britain not to waste time. A medical correspondent

:03:12. > :03:14.Ben Wright has more. -- political correspondent Ben Wright has more.

:03:15. > :03:16.DUP leader Arlene Foster said it is a tremendous opportunity

:03:17. > :03:20.Theresa May knows a deal with the DUP is her only

:03:21. > :03:23.So an agreement will be reached, probably today,

:03:24. > :03:29.A confidence-and-supply arrangement will provide

:03:30. > :03:30.DUP support to the Tories on major votes

:03:31. > :03:34.like the Budget and the Queen's Speech.

:03:35. > :03:36.The alliance leaves the Government

:03:37. > :03:40.with a vulnerable majority of just six.

:03:41. > :03:43.But Theresa May now looks safer in her job

:03:44. > :03:45.after a meeting with Tory MPs yesterday evening.

:03:46. > :03:49.She apologised for the disastrous campaign,

:03:50. > :03:55.declaring, "I got us into this mess and I will get us out of it."

:03:56. > :03:58.There is a reality that is we have to be pragmatic about what is

:03:59. > :04:01.introduced, we have got to work harder to try to bring people

:04:02. > :04:08.along with us, both inside the Conservative Party and beyond.

:04:09. > :04:11.And while Theresa May tries to rebuild the Government

:04:12. > :04:14.from a hung parliament, a warning from the EU

:04:15. > :04:19.that the UK is wasting valuable time negotiating Brexit.

:04:20. > :04:23.More than two months have passed since Theresa May

:04:24. > :04:27.handed in the UK's notice, but no talks have happened,

:04:28. > :04:31.and there is a two-year deadline to hammer out a Brexit deal.

:04:32. > :04:34.Speaking to the Financial Times, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier

:04:35. > :04:37.said the UK needed to appoint a negotiated team with a mandate

:04:38. > :04:44.soon because the process would be extraordinarily complex.

:04:45. > :04:47.Theresa May is also facing calls from some Tory MPs and Labour

:04:48. > :04:51.exactly the uncertainty she wanted the election to stop.

:04:52. > :05:07.We can talk to Norman Smith, who is in Downing Street, where politicians

:05:08. > :05:12.are arriving for a Cabinet meeting, but tell us what we can expect from

:05:13. > :05:18.this deal to be brokered between Arlene Foster and Theresa May. Well,

:05:19. > :05:20.the deal is basically Mrs May's political lifeline to survival,

:05:21. > :05:25.because without it she does not have a majority in the Commons, and she

:05:26. > :05:30.cannot govern, so she absolutely has to have this deal. I think it is

:05:31. > :05:34.almost certain she will get it, otherwise Arlene Foster probably

:05:35. > :05:40.would not be coming here. So we can expect they'd heal, and part of it

:05:41. > :05:45.will be a simple transaction, money for votes, Arlene Foster will want

:05:46. > :05:49.cash for investment, schools, hospitals, maybe a few international

:05:50. > :05:52.conferences, maybe government contracts, big sporting events in

:05:53. > :05:56.Northern Ireland, to show that she is getting something for Northern

:05:57. > :06:00.Ireland out of the deal. But the interesting part of the arrangement

:06:01. > :06:07.is what is not going to be spelt out, and that is the implications

:06:08. > :06:10.for austerity and Brexit. On austerity, the DUP have always

:06:11. > :06:14.opposed many of the austerity measures introduced by this and the

:06:15. > :06:19.previous governments. They still oppose things like the bedroom tax,

:06:20. > :06:23.getting rid of the triple lock on pensions, means testing benefits for

:06:24. > :06:27.the elderly, so the expectation is Mrs May will have to drop large

:06:28. > :06:32.chunks of austerity. That is not as difficult as it sounds, because

:06:33. > :06:36.Tories believe that one of the reasons Mr Corbyn did so well is

:06:37. > :06:41.because he kept banging on about austerity. So to some extent she is

:06:42. > :06:45.pushing at an open door. The more complex and difficult area is on

:06:46. > :06:49.Brexit, because those ministers and MPs who want to shift Mrs May away

:06:50. > :06:54.from her approach on Brexit, and instead to focus on the economy and

:06:55. > :06:59.the impact on the economy of Brexit, believe that the DUP will be on

:07:00. > :07:04.board, because of their concerns about what might happen if there is

:07:05. > :07:09.some sort of hard border between northern and southern Ireland. So

:07:10. > :07:13.there is a view that perhaps the DUP could help tilt the argument now

:07:14. > :07:17.raging again over Brexit against Mrs May. Thank you for the moment,

:07:18. > :07:22.Norman Smith, at Downing Street. Joanna has the rest of the morning's

:07:23. > :07:24.news. A brother and sister have been arrested after a man in his 40s was

:07:25. > :07:28.shot dead at a property in Slough. Reuben and Kathleen Gregory are

:07:29. > :07:36.being held on suspicion of murder. The pair are said to have lived in a

:07:37. > :07:41.caravan near woodland in Slough for more than 50 years.

:07:42. > :07:43.A BBC investigation has discovered 22 Facebook accounts belonging

:07:44. > :07:47.They breach the company's rules banning them from the website.

:07:48. > :07:49.Radio 4's File On 4 programme found most of the accounts

:07:50. > :07:51.were taken down within 48 hours of being reported,

:07:52. > :08:02.while six were referred to police to investigate.

:08:03. > :08:07.The European Court of Human Rights and France will rule later whether

:08:08. > :08:12.the live support of a Yale baby boy in London can be switched off.

:08:13. > :08:16.Charlie Gard's parents want to take him to the US for treatment. The UK

:08:17. > :08:17.Supreme Court agreed with specialist doctors that he should instead

:08:18. > :08:22.received palliative care. A group representing abuse survivors

:08:23. > :08:24.has told this programme that it is quitting the government's

:08:25. > :08:27.independent inquiry The White Flowers Campaign has said

:08:28. > :08:31.it blames Theresa May - who set up the inquiry

:08:32. > :08:34.when she was Home Secretary - The group, which represents more

:08:35. > :08:37.than a hundred survivors, said it had lost faith

:08:38. > :08:39.in the inquiry and accused it of not

:08:40. > :08:43.being truly independent. The jury in the trial of the US

:08:44. > :08:45.entertainer Bill Cosby, who's appearing on sex assault

:08:46. > :08:48.charges, will return to court later having failed to reach

:08:49. > :08:50.a verdict last night. The 79-year-old is accused

:08:51. > :08:52.of assaulting a woman at his home The Cosby Show star denies

:08:53. > :08:55.the allegations and says the relationship

:08:56. > :09:01.was consensual. A woman has been charged

:09:02. > :09:04.with murder after a man died following a collision

:09:05. > :09:06.with a tram in Manchester. The 30-year-old man died

:09:07. > :09:08.at the scene at Manchester Victoria

:09:09. > :09:11.station on Sunday evening. 31-year-old Charrissa Loren

:09:12. > :09:26.Brown-Wellington New guidelines are being introduced

:09:27. > :09:29.to ensure that sentences for offences committed against children

:09:30. > :09:33.in England and Wales properly reflect the arm suffered by victims.

:09:34. > :09:40.Those who try to blame others could face tougher punishments. The

:09:41. > :09:43.parents of murdered MP Jo Cox told this programme they will always be

:09:44. > :09:48.broken after their daughter's death. Friday marks a year since the Labour

:09:49. > :09:52.MP was killed outside a constituency surgery. This weekend, her family is

:09:53. > :09:56.encouraging people to join with friends and neighbours for a series

:09:57. > :10:00.of community events being held in her memory. We will talk to her

:10:01. > :10:08.husband Brendan and sister Kim at around half past ten.

:10:09. > :10:14.Bev on Facebook says my heart goes out to Jo's family for their loss

:10:15. > :10:22.and the way she was murdered, but life goes on. She is in a better

:10:23. > :10:26.place, let her rest in peace. On Facebook, a very sad loss, Jason on

:10:27. > :10:30.Facebook says, what a beautiful woman Jo Cox was. Alex, if

:10:31. > :10:35.Parliament was made up of people like Jo Cox, what an amazing society

:10:36. > :10:39.we would be living in. Thank you very much for those. Let me bring

:10:40. > :10:43.you breaking news from Germany, it is being reported by a French news

:10:44. > :10:49.agency, several people have been wounded after shots were fired at a

:10:50. > :10:53.railway station near Munich. One person has been detained, according

:10:54. > :10:58.to police, several people have been injured, a female police officer was

:10:59. > :11:01.badly wounded. Munich police have just tweeted, authorities say a

:11:02. > :11:08.handgun was found during a police operation at a station in Munich,

:11:09. > :11:12.although it is not thought to be terrorist related. Several people

:11:13. > :11:16.injured after shots were fired at a railway station near Munich, one

:11:17. > :11:19.person detained, it is not thought to be terrorism related, we are

:11:20. > :11:25.being told. Clearly, we will bring you more as soon as we have it. 11

:11:26. > :11:29.minutes past nine, we will talk to voters in the next few minutes about

:11:30. > :11:33.what they want from MPs, who returned to work today, who returned

:11:34. > :11:37.to the Commons after that election. So much as happened in the last few

:11:38. > :11:40.days, hasn't it? But they are going to draw up a sort of manifesto of

:11:41. > :11:47.what they would like from MPs as they come back to work, get in touch

:11:48. > :11:50.with your own views. OK, let's bring you a bit of sport.

:11:51. > :11:52.And British bobsleigh is the latest sport to have its coaches

:11:53. > :11:55.come under scrutiny. What's been going on?

:11:56. > :11:58.Yes, a senior coach working with the country's Olympic bobsleigh

:11:59. > :12:03.And there have been a number of complaints over a "toxic

:12:04. > :12:08.Earlier this year, a host of athletes wrote anonymously

:12:09. > :12:12.to the chief executive of the sport's governing

:12:13. > :12:16.to share concerns over the behaviour of key performance

:12:17. > :12:20.One athlete alleged they had experienced racism several times

:12:21. > :12:22.from a senior coach, and that the coach referred to black

:12:23. > :12:33.people as lazy and had "a blatant dislike towards people of colour".

:12:34. > :12:36.in favour of Caucasian males on the performance programme

:12:37. > :12:39.and a racial stigma against black drivers.

:12:40. > :12:42.Another complainant said, "sexist comments are regular,

:12:43. > :12:45.there have been claims of racist remarks which all get ignored,

:12:46. > :12:49.athletes are literally terrified of putting a foot wrong,"

:12:50. > :12:51.and there was "dictatorship within the management".

:12:52. > :12:54.Despite this, just a month later, the people complaining were told no

:12:55. > :13:03.So certainly want to watch in great British bobsleigh.

:13:04. > :13:07.And Theresa May might a chance to go to the football tonight?

:13:08. > :13:11.Yes, Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron will be at the Stade de France in

:13:12. > :13:15.Paris, I imagine they will get time to talk politics, but quite a

:13:16. > :13:19.significant fixture - just a friendly between England and France,

:13:20. > :13:22.but the significance is that French fans have been as to sing God Save

:13:23. > :13:26.The Queen in solidarity with Britain after the terror attacks in

:13:27. > :13:30.Manchester and London. The tribute echoes a couple of years ago when

:13:31. > :13:34.British fans, English fans at Wembley were asked to sing La

:13:35. > :13:39.Marseillaise alongside the French fans, just four days after those

:13:40. > :13:44.atrocities in Paris, so it kind of return fixture, if you like, four

:13:45. > :13:49.French fans at the Stade de France. This were being's last game of the

:13:50. > :13:52.season, just a friendly against France, kick-off is at a de-clutter

:13:53. > :13:56.night. And England's younger football is

:13:57. > :14:02.back with their World Cup. Yes, they flew back late last night

:14:03. > :14:05.from South Korea, the first World Cup win since 1966, this is them

:14:06. > :14:08.arriving back, manager Mark Simpson said it was too soon to claim they

:14:09. > :14:15.are the next generation of golden players. Gareth Southgate has said

:14:16. > :14:18.it is to over the clubs to nurture this young talent, and it will be

:14:19. > :14:23.interesting to see what happens to them next, because a lot of these

:14:24. > :14:26.players you may not have heard of, but they are signed to big clubs,

:14:27. > :14:30.and I think Gareth Southgate means that they all need a regular

:14:31. > :14:34.first-team pitch time with their clubs so that they continue to

:14:35. > :14:38.develop and improve, improve future England squads. And the worry is

:14:39. > :14:43.that, in chasing success, clubs will spend a lot of money on expensive

:14:44. > :14:46.foreign players, and that this home-grown, World Cup winning talent

:14:47. > :14:52.will spend much of next season on the bench.

:14:53. > :14:55.Thank you very much, Katherine, more from her during the morning. It is

:14:56. > :14:58.nearly quarter past nine this Tuesday morning, and the most

:14:59. > :15:03.powerful woman in Britain meet the Prime Minister in Downing Street

:15:04. > :15:05.today. A little bit of laughter from our voters!

:15:06. > :15:08.Arlene Foster of the Democratic Unionist Party, a small political

:15:09. > :15:10.party from Northern Ireland with just ten MPs,

:15:11. > :15:12.arrives to see what Theresa May can offer her in exchange

:15:13. > :15:15.for the DUP's support because Theresa May's Conservatives

:15:16. > :15:18.didn't win a majority in the last week's election,

:15:19. > :15:21.Mrs May needs those ten DUP MPs to stay on in government.

:15:22. > :15:24.Let's speak now to the former Conservative party leader and former

:15:25. > :15:31.Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.

:15:32. > :15:38.Good morning. Do you feel any kind of affinity with the DUP? Can I say

:15:39. > :15:47.one thing, the football match with France. I was at the England match

:15:48. > :15:55.and I think it is wholly fitting and when I met French people they were

:15:56. > :15:59.very moved that the fans had sung the French anthem. My question was

:16:00. > :16:03.do you feel any kind of affinity with the DUP? Well, in the sense

:16:04. > :16:10.that the Conservative Party is the majority party, but hasn't got a

:16:11. > :16:14.overall majority. The DUP, it seems, appear, and are keen to let the

:16:15. > :16:17.Conservative Party govern and as a result of that Theresa May has to

:16:18. > :16:20.have a discussion with them. I think what you will find it is not about

:16:21. > :16:23.having an affinity, it is about what on balance are the things that they

:16:24. > :16:26.most want, the Conservatives to be in Government for and it's clear

:16:27. > :16:30.that the kind of arrangement I expect we'll end up with will be

:16:31. > :16:32.what they call a supply and confidence. That's to say on votes

:16:33. > :16:36.of confidence they will support us. On things like the Queen's Speech,

:16:37. > :16:41.they'll support us. On things like the Budget they will support us, but

:16:42. > :16:44.they will keep their own counsel on other things and they may not

:16:45. > :16:48.support us on other things, but the key areas where the votes are

:16:49. > :16:51.important, they by and large will back us. But it won't be a

:16:52. > :16:55.coalition, it will be a confidence and supply agreement. As long as

:16:56. > :17:00.they do back you on those big votes, it's OK with you, is it, that some

:17:01. > :17:05.of their MPs are repulsed by gay people, don't believe in same-sex

:17:06. > :17:08.marriage and don't believe in climate change and don't believe

:17:09. > :17:14.women who have been raped should have adorations? A large number of

:17:15. > :17:18.these issues are devolved issues, but it's not going to change

:17:19. > :17:20.anything. Theresa May made it clear on these areas where the

:17:21. > :17:24.Conservative Party is settled and clear, the DUP will have no

:17:25. > :17:28.influence over our views. We'll also anyway on those issues have a much

:17:29. > :17:32.broader consensual cross party arrangement so we wouldn't need the

:17:33. > :17:36.DUP on those issues, you know, I voted for gay marriage. I'm not

:17:37. > :17:40.going toe trenching on that one is nor is the Conservative Party. This

:17:41. > :17:44.will be an agreement, it is not about what their beliefs are, it is

:17:45. > :17:46.about key areas of Government where they believe the Conservative Party

:17:47. > :17:50.needs to deliver to keep the country stable and that's it. Will voters

:17:51. > :17:53.get to see the terms of this deal? I don't think they will be that

:17:54. > :17:57.complex, but I'm sure they will be clear and open. I would certainly

:17:58. > :18:00.want them to be that because it's clear that understand that what we

:18:01. > :18:04.won't have got involved in is any complex arrangement. Now, there is,

:18:05. > :18:06.and going to be issues around investment in Northern Ireland, but

:18:07. > :18:11.those are issues anyway that would have to be tackled as this is an

:18:12. > :18:14.area that is of very high priority to restabilise after the troubles

:18:15. > :18:18.and to make sure that the people there get good work and jobs and

:18:19. > :18:23.getting businesses there. That sort of stuff is just something that was

:18:24. > :18:27.in the plans. It is worth bearing in mind that as I understand Gordon

:18:28. > :18:32.Brown was busy trying to do deal with them in 2010 as well. So these

:18:33. > :18:37.kind of mathematical things are part of Parliament. And it seems that the

:18:38. > :18:42.political price to pay for doing that deal from a Conservative point

:18:43. > :18:45.of view, it will mean an end to austerity which some Conservative

:18:46. > :18:49.backbenchers will welcome because the DUP don't support your measures

:18:50. > :18:52.on austerity and Mrs May's and your vision of Brexit will have to go?

:18:53. > :18:56.Well, let's deal with the austerity thing. Look, there were lots and

:18:57. > :19:01.lots of issues and many of us, remember I resigned over a year ago

:19:02. > :19:06.because I disagreed with George Osborne's direction of tral and I

:19:07. > :19:11.have asked us to re-think whole areas of where we are. The length of

:19:12. > :19:15.time that we are asking public servants and others to put up with

:19:16. > :19:19.reduced flattened salaries has been an issue for me and many other

:19:20. > :19:22.people and we would like to see that revisited. This isn't just an issue

:19:23. > :19:25.to do with the DUP. What the election told us the election was

:19:26. > :19:29.too early and we should have had time to resolve those issues, but,

:19:30. > :19:32.on one side, there is a genuine discussion about that and I think

:19:33. > :19:36.there are key issues around education and stuff that we need to

:19:37. > :19:40.resolve. On the side of the Brexit side, actually the DUP are very

:19:41. > :19:44.clear that they support Theresa May's original position which is no,

:19:45. > :19:47.thet want control of the bofrders, money and laws. There will be no

:19:48. > :19:54.entry into the single market and they're keen not to be in the

:19:55. > :19:58.customs union. But they are opposed to her mantra of no deal is better

:19:59. > :20:06.than a bad deal. They're not actually opposed that. I promise you

:20:07. > :20:08.that this will become clear the DUP supports what her position is at

:20:09. > :20:11.time of the election and the majority of the Conservative Party

:20:12. > :20:22.believes this is a settled issue. So any idea... Well Ruth Davidson

:20:23. > :20:25.doesn't. Not every single MP from Scotland necessarily follows her

:20:26. > :20:29.line. The point is the party overall is settled. What we want, obviously

:20:30. > :20:33.is to engage and discuss these matters with people, but in essence

:20:34. > :20:35.those negotiations are due to start very, very shortly, ie next week and

:20:36. > :20:39.the can Conservative Government needs to get on and make sure that

:20:40. > :20:43.they now start talking to our European allies and friends about

:20:44. > :20:47.how we arrange to have the benefits as the Labour Party stood on the

:20:48. > :20:50.same manifesto, they stood on a manifesto which said no to the

:20:51. > :20:54.single market. No to customs union and control of our borders. So the

:20:55. > :20:58.majority of the British people had in front of them two parties that

:20:59. > :21:02.constituted the majority of the votes that stood on very similar

:21:03. > :21:08.manifestoes on Brexit. But it's not settled, is it? You must acknowledge

:21:09. > :21:12.from the lack of a majority and bass of people like Ruth Davidson,

:21:13. > :21:15.perhaps you think she's flexing her muscles too much, the question of

:21:16. > :21:19.your Brexit vision has been reopened whether you like it or not? I'm not

:21:20. > :21:25.overly bothered about that. The truth is we're going into

:21:26. > :21:28.negotiations and in negotiations different elements will cold out I

:21:29. > :21:32.think that the Conservative Party, people in Cabinet, who may well seem

:21:33. > :21:35.to think that they're going to start reopening this, the answer is I

:21:36. > :21:40.wouldn't try and re-open this before you start the negotiations because

:21:41. > :21:43.all you'll get is what we don't want is another argument and row going on

:21:44. > :21:47.in the governing party. What we need, we had a settled position. We

:21:48. > :21:51.had agreed that position before we went into the last election. The

:21:52. > :21:56.Labour Party to save their votes in those areas where there were strong

:21:57. > :21:59.Leavers who voted Labour in the past they adopted almost exactly the same

:22:00. > :22:03.position, you heard John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn saying in terms

:22:04. > :22:07.over the weekend we will not be in the single market. They do not

:22:08. > :22:10.intend to be in the customs union, but they want the benefits of having

:22:11. > :22:12.a good trade deal and good arrangements for access and that's

:22:13. > :22:18.what the Conservative negotiators want. So in a sense, what you've got

:22:19. > :22:22.is a minority of people who just trying to prise this open again, it

:22:23. > :22:28.shouldn't be opened and we should just get on with it and try and get

:22:29. > :22:29.the best deal we can which helps preserve jobs and get good trade

:22:30. > :22:33.deals. Iain Duncan Smith. Iain Duncan Smith will join hundreds

:22:34. > :22:36.of other MPs as they return to Parliament for the first time

:22:37. > :22:39.since the election on Thursday, an election which not only produced

:22:40. > :22:42.a result which virtually no one was expecting,

:22:43. > :22:44.but also showed yet more evidence of a country which is divided,

:22:45. > :22:47.with many who feel let down by traditional politics

:22:48. > :22:49.and politicians, and who aren't happy with the way

:22:50. > :22:51.many conduct themselves. So what lessons can be learned

:22:52. > :22:54.from the campaign, and what does it tell us about how the country

:22:55. > :22:56.wants our politicians to behave? We've brought together a group

:22:57. > :23:00.of voters here in the studio to chew the fat with two new MPs and two

:23:01. > :23:03.with just a little more experience. And we're going to try and draw

:23:04. > :23:06.up our audience manifesto or code of conduct for how

:23:07. > :23:08.they want our politicians Bambos Charalambous

:23:09. > :23:17.is the new Labour MP Christine Jardine, the new Lib Dem

:23:18. > :23:25.MP for Edinburgh West. John Baron, Conservative MP for

:23:26. > :23:28.Basildon and Billericay since 2001. Ben Bradshaw, the Labour MP

:23:29. > :23:38.in Exeter since 1997. I can barely remember that year!

:23:39. > :23:43.Welcome everybody. We've got voters as well. Let me ask, not the

:23:44. > :23:50.politicians, our voters first of all. What word would you use to

:23:51. > :24:07.describe politicians right now? Shady. Disindisingeneralous.

:24:08. > :24:08.Dishonest. I'll come back with one word!

:24:09. > :24:16.LAUGHTER I have more than one word. No, give

:24:17. > :24:20.me a some if you can't contain it to one. In need of one. Yeah, I

:24:21. > :24:23.strongly believe they're divided. You can see that throughout their

:24:24. > :24:26.parties, not just in the Conservative Party, but also in the

:24:27. > :24:32.Labour Party. Too divided. What about you? I would say unavailable.

:24:33. > :24:36.Unavailable definitely. Meaning, what you can't get access to them?

:24:37. > :24:47.They don't come across that way. They come across from a come across

:24:48. > :24:53.as if they're from a completely different world. How do you react to

:24:54. > :24:55.those adjectives? I think it's understandable that people would

:24:56. > :24:58.think that way after some of the things that happened in British

:24:59. > :25:06.politics over the past few years. I'm not at all surprised. I think we

:25:07. > :25:09.have to work to reassure people that we're not all duplicitous or shady

:25:10. > :25:13.and try to be more united in the way that we look at things? I think we

:25:14. > :25:18.need to regain the trust of the public. Easier said than done? It is

:25:19. > :25:21.hard, but you get a and great opportunity as a new MP to build

:25:22. > :25:25.that trust with your electorate. We need to go out there and make sure

:25:26. > :25:29.we are listening to people and that we are truly representing them. Ben

:25:30. > :25:33.Bradshaw, you have been an MP for a long time. You will have heard these

:25:34. > :25:38.adjectives before, is it disheartening that people are still

:25:39. > :25:42.saying this? It is a bit. I won a Tory seat in 1997, I have a 16,000

:25:43. > :25:46.majority, I haven't achieved that by not being available and your advice

:25:47. > :25:52.to the new MPs and to long-standing MPs was the right one. Make yourself

:25:53. > :25:55.available. Jo Cox was a fantastic role model about what an MP could be

:25:56. > :25:59.like and should be like. She made herself very available and lost her

:26:00. > :26:05.life for doing that and certainly it's a model that good MPs and the

:26:06. > :26:10.vast majority of MPs are in this because they want to serve their

:26:11. > :26:14.constituents and their country. The vast majority of MPs go into

:26:15. > :26:17.politics for the right reason because the concept of public

:26:18. > :26:22.service, they want to serve the public. And I think the vast

:26:23. > :26:25.majority do a decent job at that, but there is this disconnect which

:26:26. > :26:29.we need to try and repair and mend and all I would say is look at your

:26:30. > :26:32.own individual MP because what is interesting in this debate is when

:26:33. > :26:35.you talk to constituents, you get a different view of their local MP

:26:36. > :26:39.than you do of the concept generally. The nature of this

:26:40. > :26:42.conversation, it is broadly generalised, you appreciate that,

:26:43. > :26:47.but Mel, you will have heard politicians say look, we are in it

:26:48. > :26:51.for the right motive, so why do you still have such a bad feeling about

:26:52. > :26:57.them, that their reputation is so poor? Well, I don't have a totally

:26:58. > :27:00.bad feeling, but I think there is not enough leadership coming from

:27:01. > :27:04.politicians. When we face Brexit, we will need more than political

:27:05. > :27:07.management. We need people who can articulate a political vision and

:27:08. > :27:11.who can answer the question of what sort of nation do we want to be?

:27:12. > :27:14.Instead we get politicians who are concerned or seemingly only with the

:27:15. > :27:17.next five year election cycle, so I think we need to do better on

:27:18. > :27:22.leadership. That's a very, very good point. I think one of the things we

:27:23. > :27:29.need to do more is set out why we want a good deal. The prospect of

:27:30. > :27:32.opportunity that's there and paint reasons for actually negotiating

:27:33. > :27:36.that good deal and being positive and I think that's one thing perhaps

:27:37. > :27:40.we take away as Conservatives from the general election is that we

:27:41. > :27:44.didn't perhaps talk enough about sunnier uplands, the positive

:27:45. > :27:48.reasons for voting and what sort of country we want to live in and there

:27:49. > :27:52.is a lot to be said. David? I don't know, I just get the feeling that

:27:53. > :27:56.Brexit and the recent elections has really exposed politicians to the

:27:57. > :28:00.public about, you know, this is all just grabbing power, you know look

:28:01. > :28:03.at the DUP and people doing deals with each other and it's very dirty.

:28:04. > :28:06.A lot of the time I feel that politicians, I did a lot of

:28:07. > :28:09.campaigning over the years and a lot of time I find that it's difficult

:28:10. > :28:13.to get politicians support for certain things that we know we need

:28:14. > :28:17.to happen in society and I think they need to be working together

:28:18. > :28:22.across parties, especially when it comes to Brexit because both parties

:28:23. > :28:28.are not really obviously... That's going to have to happen now. There

:28:29. > :28:31.is no alternative. Theresa May's destructive hard Brexit is dead.

:28:32. > :28:37.It's over. Everything has changed. We have got to work across party and

:28:38. > :28:41.that's what the public are asking us to do by delivering this election

:28:42. > :28:46.result. I agree and we have ant opportunity to have a much more open

:28:47. > :28:48.approach to Brexit and I was disappointed in what Iain Duncan

:28:49. > :28:53.Smith said because he seemed to take the opposite approach which was the

:28:54. > :28:56.argument is closed. Well, I would argue that the actual election

:28:57. > :28:59.result shows that the argument is not closed. That people rejected

:29:00. > :29:05.Theresa May's very hard Brexit approach and they want a more open

:29:06. > :29:09.approach with as Ben says other ideas coming in, talk across the

:29:10. > :29:15.parties. Gather support from a much broader approach. In Parliamentary

:29:16. > :29:18.practicalities there will have to be Parliamentary consensus because

:29:19. > :29:23.things will get voted down and no progress will be made? Yes, there

:29:24. > :29:29.are discussions going on about how we can rescue our country from this

:29:30. > :29:34.disastrous destructive Brexit which Theresa May set her mind on for no

:29:35. > :29:38.apparent reason. She interpreted the referendum in a particular way which

:29:39. > :29:43.the public rejected. Having been a Remainor herself. Taking it slightly

:29:44. > :29:48.back from Brexit because we could actually be talking Brexit the whole

:29:49. > :29:53.of this time. I said I wanted politicians to recognise that it was

:29:54. > :29:57.a privilege and my comment actually came, it wasn't what I was going to

:29:58. > :30:01.say originally, it came from an interview with the chair of the

:30:02. > :30:06.backbench 1922 committee last night on the news where he said and I'm

:30:07. > :30:12.not quoting verbatim, but he said something on the lines of there are

:30:13. > :30:16.lessons to be learnt the soundbite that has more bite than vibe, one of

:30:17. > :30:19.the things we're going to have to think about is why so many people,

:30:20. > :30:24.some of them must be intelligent, voted Labour!

:30:25. > :30:30.And I just, you know, my hands just went like this. You found that

:30:31. > :30:35.rather patronising. I found that patronising and I found that rude.

:30:36. > :30:38.People, however much integrity you have, you've got to watch your

:30:39. > :30:44.tongues and what you say because we pay your wages.

:30:45. > :30:50.If you could deliver a demand to politicians going back to work

:30:51. > :30:55.today, what do you want from them? I want to feel as the viewer doing the

:30:56. > :30:58.job you are supposed to be doing, representing me, representing my

:30:59. > :31:03.neighbours, and all my friends and all my family and all the people I

:31:04. > :31:08.am ever going to know, you are representing us, so I have to have

:31:09. > :31:11.some affinity with you, and even if we do come from different

:31:12. > :31:16.backgrounds, I have to feel confident that you are representing

:31:17. > :31:20.me - not... I don't want to feel as though you are from a completely

:31:21. > :31:24.different world, I don't get what you are saying, I don't understand

:31:25. > :31:31.what you're saying, how does that affect me, literally, that is what

:31:32. > :31:38.we want to know. The UK referendum is a classic example of the MPs

:31:39. > :31:41.ignoring the population. How do you work that out? Because they try to

:31:42. > :31:46.turn it into a political battle, when in fact it was a vote by the

:31:47. > :31:50.population to decide how they wanted the country to go forward in the

:31:51. > :31:55.future. And what we should be doing now, because the Europeans are our

:31:56. > :32:00.friends, what we should be doing now is forming a commission comprised of

:32:01. > :32:05.both parties, all parties in Parliament, and members of the

:32:06. > :32:10.public, so that they can all go together and negotiate with our

:32:11. > :32:18.friends in Europe. OK. And that way we will see more honest and genuine.

:32:19. > :32:22.One, John. Just briefly, part of the unfortunate thing of just watching

:32:23. > :32:26.PMQs is that there is too much of a risk of seeing politics through the

:32:27. > :32:31.prism of PMQs. What I would like to say is that there is much more

:32:32. > :32:36.co-operation across the parties than is generally realised. For example,

:32:37. > :32:39.I am chair of the all-party Parliamentary group on cancer, which

:32:40. > :32:42.brings politicians from across the political divide together,

:32:43. > :32:46.questioning the Government of the day, whatever their colour. So there

:32:47. > :32:53.is more co-operation than people realise. So why play those

:32:54. > :32:57.particular roles during PMQs? Some of us do not shout... Plenty of your

:32:58. > :33:02.colleagues do. Governments have to be brought to account, and you have

:33:03. > :33:05.to ask difficult questions, and you get direct answers back. But the

:33:06. > :33:08.bottom line is we should remember there is a lot of co-operation, and

:33:09. > :33:12.there needs to be, and I think people are right in the sense that

:33:13. > :33:16.when it comes to Brexit, we are going to have to carry people with

:33:17. > :33:23.us on this issue. I have never understood what the difference was

:33:24. > :33:27.the between hard and soft Brexit, it is a question of getting the best

:33:28. > :33:30.possible deal, and there seems to be an enormous amount of conformity

:33:31. > :33:36.between Labour on the Conservatives with regards to what we want from

:33:37. > :33:40.the EU negotiations. OK. You do see the parties coming together. We are

:33:41. > :33:47.not having the Brexit conversation again! So what are our top three or

:33:48. > :33:53.top five? Put them in order, what do you reckon? Integrity, definitely.

:33:54. > :34:06.So including honesty in that. Transparency, that sort of thing.

:34:07. > :34:12.Passion with respect. Is that number two, is that as high up as it should

:34:13. > :34:17.be? Theresa May sounded like a robot during her campaign... What else, as

:34:18. > :34:22.well as integrity? What else is important? Empathy is a big one, the

:34:23. > :34:32.ability to put yourself in another person's shoes, a boss will tell

:34:33. > :34:37.someone what to do, a leader will show them. MPs need to be leading in

:34:38. > :34:44.compassion, forgiveness, respect, in showing people those values. So how

:34:45. > :34:51.shall we describe that, affinity, empathy? Yeah? Well, I am really

:34:52. > :34:55.interested that is number two, that says a lot, particularly perhaps

:34:56. > :35:01.because of recent weeks. What else are we going for? Clarity. You

:35:02. > :35:05.asking a lot of there, Sharon! Clarity? You mean you don't

:35:06. > :35:17.understand the phrase Brexit means Brexit? I don't understand a word

:35:18. > :35:25.they say! If someone asks me a question, I want the answer, not the

:35:26. > :35:38.same mantra over and over again? Of clarity and directness when they go

:35:39. > :35:42.to press conferences, they know what they are going to say, regardless of

:35:43. > :35:46.the question. We have two experienced politicians and two new

:35:47. > :35:52.politicians, why is it so hard to answer questions directly? If I and

:35:53. > :35:59.so directly, it means a damning headline, is that what is going on?

:36:00. > :36:03.-- if I answer directly. I try to answer directly, I am sure

:36:04. > :36:08.colleagues here do as well, and there is a danger you generalise

:36:09. > :36:15.across all MPs. You have made that point. We decide to do this job as

:36:16. > :36:19.best we can. I have a reputation for speaking my mind, but there is a

:36:20. > :36:22.difference between being in government and in opposition, I am

:36:23. > :36:28.much more free as an opposition backbencher to say whatever I like!

:36:29. > :36:32.Isn't that the problem with party politics? You have to toe the party

:36:33. > :36:36.line, I would love to be in politics, but I could not do that.

:36:37. > :36:39.It is like being in a club, if you come to an agreement in the

:36:40. > :36:43.organisation, you stick to it. If you are going to have a united

:36:44. > :36:46.organisational club, you have to stick to the line. There are ways of

:36:47. > :36:52.answering questions which sounded less evasive than some ministers do

:36:53. > :36:56.it, and you can think of your most and least favourite politicians for

:36:57. > :36:59.and swing questions, but there is a different with collective

:37:00. > :37:04.responsibility and having that freedom. So clarity and directness?

:37:05. > :37:10.Directness and clarity? Any preference? No? Excuse my writing.

:37:11. > :37:18.Clarity and directness... Right, is that it? No, I think four has to be

:37:19. > :37:24.humility, I would put it much higher up. OK, humility. There is such a

:37:25. > :37:29.peeling of we are up here, you are down there, and as you said in your

:37:30. > :37:37.intro, we pay your wages, you are only there because we put an X in

:37:38. > :37:44.the box, so recognised us. Yeah? Are we happy with our top four? What is

:37:45. > :37:55.wrong with passengers I love a bit of passion, believe me! Make its

:37:56. > :38:07.number five! OK, passion! OK... Passion. Sorry! Right, MPs, your

:38:08. > :38:12.reaction? I 100% agree with that, I think humility, the area eyelid in I

:38:13. > :38:20.represent, someone I get the train in the morning, people speak to me.

:38:21. > :38:23.-- the area I live in, I represent. So to be accountable, you have to

:38:24. > :38:28.respect other people, they put their trust in me, I have to respect that.

:38:29. > :38:33.Christian, what about you as a new MP? Formerly a special adviser, you

:38:34. > :38:39.have been around a bit. I don't mean that in the way... You know what I

:38:40. > :38:42.mean, you are experienced! I think those points are all be enough, and

:38:43. > :38:47.one of the problem is that politicians have is that somehow

:38:48. > :38:52.they have managed as a group, not individuals, to portray this image

:38:53. > :38:55.to the public that we don't have personal lives, we don't have

:38:56. > :39:00.families, that we don't actually worry about paying the mortgage

:39:01. > :39:05.ourselves. And I think we need to be more open about the fact that we

:39:06. > :39:20.have lives you are normal people, Shaka! Shark horror! I had personal

:39:21. > :39:25.issues during the campaign, a bereavement, and we got a lot of

:39:26. > :39:27.support. People see you in PMQs, arguing and fighting, and forget

:39:28. > :39:34.that we colleagues and we'll have the same problems. That happened

:39:35. > :39:39.with Jo Cox, to see the whole House come together, they realised she was

:39:40. > :39:45.a really good MP. And beyond that, as the people we represent, I think

:39:46. > :39:50.we are very bad at being open and speaking clearly and honestly about

:39:51. > :39:56.our lives. All right. Are you two happy to sign up to this list? I am

:39:57. > :40:01.sure you already exhibit some of those characteristics! I think, for

:40:02. > :40:05.me, absolutely. One that is missing if I can dare give advice to our new

:40:06. > :40:09.colleagues who have won marginal seats from another party, very hard

:40:10. > :40:16.work - you need to put the hard work in. I agree with all of those,

:40:17. > :40:19.integrity, empathy is very important, we always have to design

:40:20. > :40:24.our policies as best we can to help those more vulnerable at the bottom

:40:25. > :40:28.end of the pay scale and all the rest of it, and employed, one nation

:40:29. > :40:33.politics, if you like, whichever side of the House. But humility is

:40:34. > :40:39.very important. We have, number four. I'm just addressing the list,

:40:40. > :40:42.because it is important that MPs, politics says, we are going to

:40:43. > :40:45.listen, we might have got this wrong, we are going to think about

:40:46. > :40:50.it again. That is carrying people along. I will make a deal with you,

:40:51. > :40:54.Victoria, if we do more of that, the immediate needs to be more tolerant

:40:55. > :41:00.when it comes to accusing us of not knowing where we are going. That is

:41:01. > :41:07.there point, but there are U-turns and there are U-turns! -- a fair

:41:08. > :41:11.point. But you are generalising across the media, as we have been

:41:12. > :41:16.generalising, so right back at you! Very last word. It might sound odd

:41:17. > :41:19.from a Liberal Democrat, but one of the things that had most impact on a

:41:20. > :41:24.generation, helping the Labour Party, the night before he died,

:41:25. > :41:27.John Smith talked about how the Labour Party were asking for the

:41:28. > :41:32.opportunity to serve, and more politicians need to take that sort

:41:33. > :41:37.of approach. It is, as Carol said, about service. Excellent point, I am

:41:38. > :41:41.defending colleagues here - the vast majority, we must member, go for the

:41:42. > :41:44.right reason, and they believe in public service. What message would

:41:45. > :41:50.you give to those who are not following those values? You are

:41:51. > :41:54.saying the right things but the reality is... There is no room for

:41:55. > :41:59.you in politics, and by and large they do get found out on both sides

:42:00. > :42:03.of the House. We are going to ask the MPs to sign up to your code of

:42:04. > :42:07.conduct, if that is right, and if you come across colleagues today, if

:42:08. > :42:11.you wouldn't mind mentioning it, it would be useful. Thank you very much

:42:12. > :42:15.for coming on the programme, we appreciate it. We mentioned Jo Cox a

:42:16. > :42:16.couple of times, one of those politicians that most people think

:42:17. > :42:22.stuck by that code of conduct. On 16th June last year,

:42:23. > :42:24.the Labour MP was murdered outside her constituency

:42:25. > :42:26.in Birstall, Yorkshire. It was a crime that horrified

:42:27. > :42:28.the country but united people In the days, weeks and months

:42:29. > :42:33.that followed, Jo Cox's friends and family pledged

:42:34. > :42:35.to continue her legacy, rather than let it be

:42:36. > :42:38.overshadowed by what happened. In the run-up to the first

:42:39. > :42:41.anniversary of her death, her sister Kim Leadbeater

:42:42. > :42:43.and her family have invited our reporter Catherine Burns

:42:44. > :42:46.to their home for the first time to share their private

:42:47. > :42:55.memories of Jo. We'll never be fully repaired,

:42:56. > :42:58.if you like, because there's always

:42:59. > :43:04.a piece of us missing. I think there must be a difference

:43:05. > :43:09.between denial and disbelief. And Jo's children have got so much

:43:10. > :43:18.of her and Brendan in them. That's a great legacy,

:43:19. > :43:29.I mean, we love that. When I have the darkest

:43:30. > :43:33.and the difficult moments, I just think, right,

:43:34. > :43:38.she would not want you to lose it. to the anger and to

:43:39. > :43:46.the upset and to the hatred. Yes, this is the wonderful

:43:47. > :43:59.town of Batley. She wanted to be at the heart

:44:00. > :44:02.of the constituency, and this is where she decided

:44:03. > :44:07.to base herself. there's still the Jo Cox MP

:44:08. > :44:11.sign on the door. Yes, yes, it's hard

:44:12. > :44:14.to know what to do Is it worse to have it there or

:44:15. > :44:25.better to have it there, you know? I keep saying to myself,

:44:26. > :44:28.if I get through to the end of July with my health

:44:29. > :44:32.and my sanity, I've done well. And then I really don't

:44:33. > :44:34.know what comes after that. because that normal life

:44:35. > :44:39.doesn't exist, you know. Kim Leadbeater

:44:40. > :44:45.has spent this year trying to build a legacy

:44:46. > :44:49.for her sister, Jo Cox. I still miss the sound

:44:50. > :44:54.of her coming down the drive. Her parents have

:44:55. > :44:57.generally avoided the limelight, This is their first interview

:44:58. > :45:05.on national TV. What were you doing

:45:06. > :45:07.when you got that call? We'd just sat down

:45:08. > :45:09.about five minutes, And he just said, "Jo's

:45:10. > :45:21.been shot, I think." And we jumped in the car,

:45:22. > :45:31.I remember I was jumping in the car, I don't know how

:45:32. > :45:39.we managed to get there. People are shot and

:45:40. > :45:54.recover, etc, etc. But you see these things

:45:55. > :46:07.on the television where the doctor, in this

:46:08. > :46:11.case it was a police inspector, comes into the room

:46:12. > :46:14.and he has to tell you. In fact, he doesn't

:46:15. > :46:17.have to tell you. You can see by his

:46:18. > :46:24.expression. And he said, "I'm sorry to say

:46:25. > :46:27.she didn't make it". I think that the difficult

:46:28. > :46:29.thing, it's the That's very, very

:46:30. > :46:36.difficult to understand. And it's about creating a new level

:46:37. > :46:39.of normality for us as a family. One of the things that Kim

:46:40. > :46:43.said afterwards was, "Our family is broken now

:46:44. > :46:45.but we will mend over time". We will always be broken,

:46:46. > :46:50.because there's a piece missing. But, yeah, I think to the outside

:46:51. > :46:56.world we do appear strong. But there's a lot of days

:46:57. > :47:03.when the bad is bad. The long times for us

:47:04. > :47:06.are when we turn the television on and see terrorist acts -

:47:07. > :47:12.Westminster Bridge, Manchester - because that's when it

:47:13. > :47:19.brings everything back. For me, the ambulances,

:47:20. > :47:21.the sirens, I'm back But we still think

:47:22. > :47:30.about the people who have lost loved ones, and we know

:47:31. > :47:33.what they are actually just It must be awful for them.

:47:34. > :47:38.We know what we went through. And unfortunately

:47:39. > :47:44.they don't, as yet. Going forward, build

:47:45. > :47:48.on the children, the grandchildren. Because you're right,

:47:49. > :47:57.it won't go away. And Jo's children have got so much

:47:58. > :48:13.of her and Brendan in them. That's a great legacy

:48:14. > :48:15.and we love that. Jo, she loved them to bits,

:48:16. > :48:17.absolutely loved them. And that's the most

:48:18. > :48:19.upsetting thing, from my It was, for you especially,

:48:20. > :48:29.after Jo was murdered, Lejla and Cuillin came up, and you found it

:48:30. > :48:32.really difficult, didn't you? Obviously this year you've

:48:33. > :48:41.all been part of the But the public face of it

:48:42. > :48:45.has really been Kim. How do you feel about

:48:46. > :48:49.the work she's done? More than one person

:48:50. > :48:53.came up to me after the funeral, and after Kim talked

:48:54. > :48:58.in Birstall marketplace, and said, "You've got not one,

:48:59. > :49:05.but two marvellous daughters. One we saw, Jo, on occasions,

:49:06. > :49:08.on the television And, you know, we're very proud,

:49:09. > :49:17.because I can't separate So this is not what you'd

:49:18. > :49:26.expect your average But this was Jo, just

:49:27. > :49:30.very relaxed, very comfortable, and just embracing

:49:31. > :49:34.the situation she was in. That is absolutely

:49:35. > :49:38.stunning, isn't it? Yeah, that's the birthday

:49:39. > :49:43.karaoke with the Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson,

:49:44. > :49:46.I Know Him So Well, which was our party piece

:49:47. > :49:52.when we were kids. And it was re-enacted

:49:53. > :49:58.for my birthday last year. # I could have made

:49:59. > :50:10.it differently #. We were really close,

:50:11. > :50:14.like all growing up throughout childhood

:50:15. > :50:16.we were really, really close. There is two years age

:50:17. > :50:18.difference between us, and I am younger, although nobody

:50:19. > :50:21.believed it because Jo looked so We just had a really close

:50:22. > :50:26.relationship, and we never fell out. # But in the end he needs a lit more

:50:27. > :50:47.security. . # It wasn't about Jo Cox

:50:48. > :50:50.MP, it was actually Joanne Leadbeater,

:50:51. > :50:51.who was my sister. Literally sort of within days of Jo

:50:52. > :50:54.been killed, things just started to arrive, and the house

:50:55. > :50:58.was just full of flowers. And that was the classic,

:50:59. > :51:00.line, I never met your sister, but I just had to do

:51:01. > :51:03.something, I just had to say Me and mum and dad when we're out

:51:04. > :51:07.and about and stuff, we go to the supermarket, and we've met

:51:08. > :51:10.people, and they just end Maybe that has detracted

:51:11. > :51:17.from my personal grief, But it has certainly provided

:51:18. > :51:22.comfort and support. At the same time we saw that public

:51:23. > :51:25.outpouring of grief, this was your personal

:51:26. > :51:26.tragedy as well. How did you manage to

:51:27. > :51:28.balance those two things? And, you know, people who knew Jo

:51:29. > :51:37.through politics, people who And initially I found

:51:38. > :51:41.that a bit, hang She's my mum and dad's Jo,

:51:42. > :51:47.and she's Brendan's Jo, really. But then actually you

:51:48. > :51:49.think how lovely it is that so many people

:51:50. > :51:52.wanted her to be their Jo. So you can't possibly

:51:53. > :51:54.be cross about that. Has it hit yet that

:51:55. > :51:57.she isn't coming back? I know exactly

:51:58. > :52:01.what happened. I've got those facts,

:52:02. > :52:05.but I don't think I've got them on a deep emotional level yet, and that

:52:06. > :52:08.worries me, because when that happens it's difficult

:52:09. > :52:11.to know what will happen. I think there must be a difference

:52:12. > :52:17.between denial and disbelief. I've got closer than

:52:18. > :52:27.ever to mum and dad. Which again is heartbreaking

:52:28. > :52:29.at times, when you think, you know, I'm

:52:30. > :52:34.their only child now. And I have guilt associated

:52:35. > :52:38.with that as well, because when the phone rings and it

:52:39. > :52:41.would always be, "oh, it's Like that's, you know,

:52:42. > :52:45.that's gone forever now. It was supposed

:52:46. > :52:49.by Jo's birthday less Her husband, Brendan,

:52:50. > :52:52.spoke in London's We try to remember not how

:52:53. > :52:59.cruelly she has been taken from us, but how unbelievably

:53:00. > :53:02.lucky we were to have her And let me start by saying

:53:03. > :53:09.thank you to everybody My sister would want her murder

:53:10. > :53:26.to mobilise people, To try to make

:53:27. > :53:35.a positive difference. And that's exactly what Kim

:53:36. > :53:39.has spent the last 12 months doing, trying to create

:53:40. > :53:43.something positive from Jo's death. She's worked on causes close

:53:44. > :53:46.to her heart, everything from tackling loneliness to getting

:53:47. > :53:47.communities to But in many ways, she's

:53:48. > :53:54.put her own life on hold. So this is where you

:53:55. > :53:58.had your big speech? Yes, the big tribute to Jo.

:53:59. > :54:03.The big tribute on the 22nd of June. Because I'm a very private person,

:54:04. > :54:07.what I tend to be able to seem to do is just go into this mode

:54:08. > :54:11.of having a job to do and then doing it, and then the fallout

:54:12. > :54:15.for me is often when I get home. So I end up really

:54:16. > :54:16.drained, really tired, and that's when I tend

:54:17. > :54:19.to get more upset. You've spoken a lot today

:54:20. > :54:21.about sort of Jo's legacy, but there's also your life -

:54:22. > :54:24.you, Kim, and what's next for you. I don't know what I'll do,

:54:25. > :54:27.I don't what I'll do. But I think, you know,

:54:28. > :54:29.the platform that we've been given, for the worst possible reasons,

:54:30. > :54:32.my instinct is to try and create something positive

:54:33. > :54:36.out of that by using it in a good way, but I've no idea

:54:37. > :54:48.what shape that takes. We'll be talking to Jo

:54:49. > :54:59.Cox's husband, Brendan, And Kim, Jo's sister. These messages

:55:00. > :55:06.from you. Scott says, "This is a heartbreaking interview with Jo

:55:07. > :55:12.Cox's parents." Kirsty says, "I'm crying over Jo Cox's incredible

:55:13. > :55:20.parents." Kevin Cook tweets to say, "I'm 52 years of age today and I've

:55:21. > :55:25.done a run in memory of Jo Cox and sponsored an AFC Croydon football

:55:26. > :55:30.game in her memory." On our manifesto or code of conduct,

:55:31. > :55:32.whatever you'd like to call the rules that voters came up for

:55:33. > :55:38.politicians as they return to the House of Commons today after the

:55:39. > :55:41.general election, Mel says, "Integrity, honesty, humility. Your

:55:42. > :55:50.panel is spot on today. This is what we want from our politicians."

:55:51. > :55:54.The singer Katy Perry has apologised for "appropriating black and Asian

:55:55. > :55:58.In a recent interview, the singer admitted that she is guilty

:55:59. > :55:59.of cultural appropriation and benefits from what she

:56:00. > :56:04.She's been speaking to promote her latest album, "witness".

:56:05. > :56:10.I've made several mistakes and having a hard conversation with one

:56:11. > :56:14.of my empowered angels about what does it mean? Can can't I wear my

:56:15. > :56:20.hair that way? What is the history behind wearing the hair that way?

:56:21. > :56:24.And she told me about the power in plaque women's hair and how

:56:25. > :56:29.beautiful it is and the struggle. And I listened and I heard and I

:56:30. > :56:33.didn't know and I will never understand some of those things

:56:34. > :56:36.because of who I am. I will never understand.

:56:37. > :56:37.BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat's music reporter Stve

:56:38. > :56:45.Just fill us in a little bit more about what she has been criticised

:56:46. > :56:49.for and why in the past? Katie Perry is a loud pop star. She is full of

:56:50. > :56:53.colour and costumes and that's what has got her into trouble in the

:56:54. > :57:02.past. Two specific occasions. A couple of years ago she sang a song

:57:03. > :57:07.called Unconditionally and she was accused of racism. Secondly, she did

:57:08. > :57:16.a music video called This Is How We Do. She was wearing corn rows and

:57:17. > :57:20.eating watermelon and criticised for appropriating black culture and both

:57:21. > :57:24.times she was criticised and she never really apologised and just

:57:25. > :57:32.said, "I didn't know what I was doing. I'm just a pop star. I I'm

:57:33. > :57:38.just loud." That's how she dealt with any criticism? So the last four

:57:39. > :57:42.days she spent her time in an apartment in America to promote this

:57:43. > :57:45.new album and she has been addressing lots of issues that she

:57:46. > :57:49.has been crit sided for in the past. This cultural appropriation issue is

:57:50. > :57:53.one specifically because in the past she said, "I didn't know I was doing

:57:54. > :57:58.anything wrong. It was up to my friends to tell me this is why you

:57:59. > :58:04.shouldn't be wearing corn rows because you're using black culture

:58:05. > :58:08.for your own gain." There are other issues that she has been dealing

:58:09. > :58:12.with. The feud with Taylor Swift which is the stuff of entertainment

:58:13. > :58:19.journalists, we love it. Sum it up in a line. Tell us why they have

:58:20. > :58:24.been feuding. Taylor Swift, Katie Perry took a couple of Taylor Swift

:58:25. > :58:30.dancers. Took them? From a tour. They were on tour and Katie Perry

:58:31. > :58:34.took them in the middle of Taylor Swift's tourment it is probably what

:58:35. > :58:40.teenage girls fight about and since then they have not spoken o an

:58:41. > :58:46.Friday Katie Perry released her new album and Taylor Swift had taken all

:58:47. > :58:52.of her music off Spotify and decided Taylor Swift that Friday was the

:58:53. > :58:57.best day to put her music on Spotify thereby taking the wind out of Katie

:58:58. > :59:03.Perry's sails and Katie Perry tried to Bury the hatchet with Taylor

:59:04. > :59:08.Swift and said we are both strong women in the music industry and she

:59:09. > :59:14.is a great songwriter, it feels clinical and cold. A bit like

:59:15. > :59:19.promoting your new album? Well, exactly. She spent four days talking

:59:20. > :59:23.about something that's getting her headlines. It is nice to her address

:59:24. > :59:27.it. Because in the past she almost stuck her head in the sand with it

:59:28. > :59:29.and finally she hit it head-on. Thank you very much, Steve. Steve,

:59:30. > :59:43.Holden. We have got sunshine. If you're

:59:44. > :59:50.living in the eastern and southern areas, you have got blue skies. That

:59:51. > :59:57.was the scene in Norfolk. For many of us, it is grey skies and a dreary

:59:58. > :00:00.start to the day in Shropshire. More rain towards Northern Ireland and

:00:01. > :00:04.into Scotland. The best of the sunshine is across eastern and

:00:05. > :00:08.southern parts of England and that's where temperatures will get up to 22

:00:09. > :00:11.or 23 Celsius, but even further north, 17 Celsius to 19 Celsius. A

:00:12. > :00:14.bit more rain will come into Northern Ireland and Scotland

:00:15. > :00:17.overnight, but elsewhere, it will be dry. There could be one or two

:00:18. > :00:21.patches of fog developing in the far southment but for Wednesday, it's

:00:22. > :00:23.going to get warmer for most of us. There will be some rain across

:00:24. > :00:28.Northern Ireland into Scotland as well. But for most of us, hazy

:00:29. > :00:32.sunshine, maximum temperatures 27 Celsius perhaps in the South East.

:00:33. > :00:36.Even in the far north and west despite the cloudier skies and rain,

:00:37. > :00:43.still here temperatures rather pleasant at 17 or 18 Celsius.

:00:44. > :00:46.it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:47. > :00:48.Our top story - will they reach a deal?

:00:49. > :00:51.Theresa May meets the Northern Irish DUP leader today, as they try

:00:52. > :00:53.and broker a deal to help the Prime Minister

:00:54. > :01:02.We will take a look at their anti-abortion stance and speak to

:01:03. > :01:04.those affected by the current legislation.

:01:05. > :01:06.And with Parliament reconvening this afternoon,

:01:07. > :01:08.we've been hearing from members of the public

:01:09. > :01:23.There is not enough leadership from politicians. I have to feel

:01:24. > :01:29.confident you are representing me. You have got to watch what you say,

:01:30. > :01:35.because we pay your wages. This is the code of conduct that you have

:01:36. > :01:43.drawn up, integrity, honesty, empathy, clarity and directness,

:01:44. > :01:47.humility passion! We will be asking all MPs to sign up to it.

:01:48. > :01:50.Also on the programme, almost a year since Labour MP

:01:51. > :01:52.Jo Cox was murdered her family speak about

:01:53. > :01:54.the hole that she's left, and the community reaction

:01:55. > :02:04.That was the classic line, I never met your sister, but I had to do

:02:05. > :02:08.something. My mum and dad, they have met people, they just end up crying,

:02:09. > :02:13.grown men absolutely devastated, and you end up comforting them. Maybe

:02:14. > :02:18.that has attracted from my personal grief, which will come eventually.

:02:19. > :02:22.That is Jo's sister Kim, we will talk to her and Jo's husband before

:02:23. > :02:27.11. Here's Joanna in the BBC newsroom

:02:28. > :02:30.with a summary of today's news. Theresa May will meet with the DUP

:02:31. > :02:32.leader, Arlene Foster, today to thrash out a deal that

:02:33. > :02:35.would see the party prop up With Brexit talks due to begin

:02:36. > :02:42.in less than a week, the EU's chief negotiator,

:02:43. > :02:43.Michel Barnier, has said Britain must not

:02:44. > :02:46.waste time. He's also urged the Government

:02:47. > :02:48.to appoint a negotiating team that is stable,

:02:49. > :02:52.accountable and with a mandate. The new Environment Secretary,

:02:53. > :02:54.Michael Gove, said he wasn't worried

:02:55. > :03:07.about the timetable. We have to make sure we have the

:03:08. > :03:11.right team in place, a Queen's Speech that outlines our sense of

:03:12. > :03:16.direction, and whether a day here there, that doesn't matter to me.

:03:17. > :03:19.What matters is making sure we have the right approach, and the Prime

:03:20. > :03:22.Minister has outlined the right approach. We need to make sure that

:03:23. > :03:26.we arrive at these talks in very good order, and one of the ways we

:03:27. > :03:30.can do so is by having the maximum amount of support for the strategy

:03:31. > :03:34.Theresa May has outlined, which is the right approach.

:03:35. > :03:36.Inflation unexpectedly jumped to its highest level

:03:37. > :03:40.Consumer prices increased by 2.9% compared with a year earlier.

:03:41. > :03:41.It's the biggest increase since June 2013,

:03:42. > :03:46.according to the Office for National Statistics.

:03:47. > :03:51.It said one of the main reasons for the rise was the cost of foreign

:03:52. > :03:54.package holidays for British tourists.

:03:55. > :03:57.In Germany, a policewoman has been seriously wounded

:03:58. > :03:59.after shots were fired at a railway station near Munich.

:04:00. > :04:02.It's understood she was injured when a man grabbed her gun.

:04:03. > :04:05.Police say the man has now been arrested,

:04:06. > :04:09.and that it was not a terrorist incident.

:04:10. > :04:12.has told this programme that it is quitting

:04:13. > :04:16.the Government's Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.

:04:17. > :04:18.The WhiteFlowers Campaign has said it blames Theresa May,

:04:19. > :04:21.who set up the inquiry when she was Home Secretary,

:04:22. > :04:25.The group, which represents more than a hundred survivors,

:04:26. > :04:27.said it had lost faith in the inquiry

:04:28. > :04:37.and accused it of not being truly independent.

:04:38. > :04:45.brother and sister have been arrested after a man in his 40s was

:04:46. > :04:49.shot dead at a property in Slough. They are being held on suspicion of

:04:50. > :04:55.murder. They are said to have lived in a caravan in woodland near Slough

:04:56. > :04:58.for more than 50 years. The parents of the murdered MP

:04:59. > :05:01.Jo Cox have told this programme that they "will always be broken"

:05:02. > :05:03.after their daughter's death. Friday will mark a year

:05:04. > :05:06.since the Labour MP was killed outside her constituency surgery

:05:07. > :05:07.in West Yorkshire. This weekend, her family

:05:08. > :05:10.is encouraging people to join with friends and neighbours

:05:11. > :05:12.for the Great Get Together, a series of community events

:05:13. > :05:14.being held in Jo's memory. And we'll be talking to Jo's

:05:15. > :05:25.husband Brendan and sister Kim This tweet from Catherine,

:05:26. > :05:31.incredibly moving film with the family of Jo Cox. Chuck tweets you

:05:32. > :05:37.can see where Jo Cox got her decency, humanity and integrity

:05:38. > :05:40.from, what an amazing family. This e-mail from Bill, how brave of the

:05:41. > :05:46.family to speak, it has brought me to tears, and my beloved wife passed

:05:47. > :05:52.away 14 years ago, you never forget. And this tweet from Toby, a truly

:05:53. > :05:55.moving feature on Jo Cox, I think it should permanently be posted on

:05:56. > :05:57.iPlayer. She gave her life to our democracy.

:05:58. > :06:00.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use #Victorialive.

:06:01. > :06:04.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:06:05. > :06:11.Right, let's bring you the latest sport with Katherine.

:06:12. > :06:16.The British and Irish Lions are playing their fourth match

:06:17. > :06:19.They're playing the Highlanders in Dunedin,

:06:20. > :06:20.and it's been an entertaining game.

:06:21. > :06:22.Highlanders scored first Waisake Noholo crashing over,

:06:23. > :06:23.injuring Courtney Lawes in the process.

:06:24. > :06:25.But just a few minutes later, the Lions answered

:06:26. > :06:27.with a try of their own, Jonathan Joseph spotting

:06:28. > :06:32.Tommy Seymour ran it all the way in after this interception.

:06:33. > :06:39.Sam Warburton has scored his first of the tour, and there has been

:06:40. > :06:43.another for Highlanders, tries galore in Dunedin, it is 20-22,

:06:44. > :06:47.Lions just leading, 20 minutes left to go there.

:06:48. > :06:49.A senior coach working with the country's Olympic bobsleigh squad

:06:50. > :06:52.has been accused of racism amid multiple complaints over

:06:53. > :06:55.Confidential documents obtained by the BBC show

:06:56. > :06:57.athletes said their concerns were "of the highest order,

:06:58. > :07:00.mentioning bullying, racism, sexism and discrimination."

:07:01. > :07:07.they were told no disciplinary action would be taken.

:07:08. > :07:10.England's footballers play France in a friendly in Paris tonight.

:07:11. > :07:18.with Tom Heaton and Jack Butland sharing goal-keeping duties.

:07:19. > :07:21.French fans have been asked to join in with God Save The Queen

:07:22. > :07:23.as a mark of respect following the terror attacks.

:07:24. > :07:25.Prime Minister Theresa May and President Emmanuel Macron

:07:26. > :07:40.I was at the match at Wembley and, you know, a very special occasion,

:07:41. > :07:45.and we are very grateful to the French for offering this tribute to

:07:46. > :07:47.England as a country, so it is nice that the history between us doesn't

:07:48. > :07:49.come between us at those moments. And England's World Cup winners,

:07:50. > :07:51.the under-20s team, arrived back in Britain

:07:52. > :07:53.late last night. They flew into Birmingham

:07:54. > :07:56.from South Korea, where they lifted their country's first trophy

:07:57. > :08:09.at a world tournament since 1966. England, as a nation of footballers,

:08:10. > :08:12.young players, is changing, so I think, like you say, it is a big

:08:13. > :08:18.thing to have won the tournament, and it shows we are pushing on and

:08:19. > :08:21.chasing to get to the top. For me personally, to save a penalty in a

:08:22. > :08:26.World Cup final, it is what you dream about as a kid. But for the

:08:27. > :08:32.team, and for what we have achieved, for the country, it is amazing. I

:08:33. > :08:37.hope that these players, they take this experience and really go on and

:08:38. > :08:41.benefit themselves and benefit our senior team in years to come, and

:08:42. > :08:43.fingers crossed that will be the case.

:08:44. > :08:45.Britain's six-time Paralympic champion David Weir

:08:46. > :08:47.will compete in a track event for the final time

:08:48. > :08:49.in next month's Anniversary Games in London.

:08:50. > :08:52.He won the London Marathon for the seventh time in April.

:08:53. > :08:55.In January, Weir, who won four gold medals at London 2012

:08:56. > :08:58.said he would never compete for Britain again

:08:59. > :09:11.And you will be able to hear our interview with David Weir on the BBC

:09:12. > :09:12.News Channel throughout the day, but that is all the sport for now. Back

:09:13. > :09:15.to you, Victoria. Good morning! "I got us into this mess

:09:16. > :09:18.and I'll get us out of it." Theresa May's words to her own

:09:19. > :09:20.MPs yesterday, reportedly showing some of the humility

:09:21. > :09:22.they'd wanted from her. Journalists weren't invited

:09:23. > :09:24.to the meeting. But several MPs have reported

:09:25. > :09:30.the following as taking place. The Prime Minister told her Tory MPs

:09:31. > :09:33.she'll remain leader She pledged that the party

:09:34. > :09:40.would help colleagues who lost their seats, some of whom

:09:41. > :09:44.are in financial difficulties, and when talking about concerns

:09:45. > :09:46.that government policy could be affected

:09:47. > :09:49.by the DUP's views on gay rights, she reportedly said,

:09:50. > :09:54."LGB...what's the rest of it?" lesbian, gay, bisexual

:09:55. > :09:59.and transgender. the PM needs to to a deal

:10:00. > :10:07.with to stay on in government. Let's talk now to two MPs

:10:08. > :10:10.who were at the meeting, Oliver Letwin, who's the

:10:11. > :10:13.Conservative MP for West Dorset, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the

:10:14. > :10:15.Conservative MP for the Cotswolds, and an executive member

:10:16. > :10:17.of the 1922 Committee, which is the group of Conservative

:10:18. > :10:20.MPs Theresa May may with yesterday, and in a moment, we'll speak

:10:21. > :10:24.to Lord Andrew Turnbull, who was a top civil servant under

:10:25. > :10:38.three different Prime Ministers Welcome, all of you, thank you very

:10:39. > :10:41.much for talking to us. Oliver Letwin, how many times did Theresa

:10:42. > :10:49.May apologise to you for throwing away the Conservative majority in

:10:50. > :10:53.that election? Not many! How many? Once, twice? I genuinely have no

:10:54. > :10:58.idea! The meeting was not about that. The meeting was about a pretty

:10:59. > :11:04.unanimous view across the whole room of support for what she was doing,

:11:05. > :11:08.and for the need to carry on, and I thought what was really remarkable

:11:09. > :11:14.was the degree of unanimity. How many times did she apologise? I

:11:15. > :11:19.don't think... I can't honestly remember, but as Oliver said, that

:11:20. > :11:24.is not really the issue. But did she apologise? I am just interested. She

:11:25. > :11:28.apologise to colleagues who lost their seats, she was humble about

:11:29. > :11:33.that. But as Oliver says, there was a remarkable degree of unanimity

:11:34. > :11:39.around the room, as do supporting her. Sure. Issue going to apologise

:11:40. > :11:45.to voters for calling an election that she did not need to that has

:11:46. > :11:49.cost ?130 million? Well, she felt that she needed her own mandate to

:11:50. > :11:54.negotiate these Brexit talks. That was a view at the time. With

:11:55. > :11:58.hindsight, she might have taken a different view. But we are where we

:11:59. > :12:03.are, and we have to go on governing the country with the Parliamentary

:12:04. > :12:05.arithmetic that we have. Oliver Letwin, your Conservative colleague

:12:06. > :12:09.Heidi Elin said she saw a very humble woman in Mrs May. Do you

:12:10. > :12:14.think the rest of the country is going to see her humble side at some

:12:15. > :12:23.point? I would not describe her as humble, as you said, she apologised,

:12:24. > :12:29.she let us in on the feelings that she had about what had happened, but

:12:30. > :12:34.I don't think it is a question of humble or otherwise. I think it is a

:12:35. > :12:39.question of her ability at a time when our country faces significant

:12:40. > :12:43.challenges to manage the economy soundly and come of all of this in a

:12:44. > :12:48.good condition. That is what matters to our fellow citizens, not the

:12:49. > :12:52.political bits and bobs, what happens to the country. I think what

:12:53. > :12:56.cheap is weighed and all of us of is that she is capable of doing that,

:12:57. > :13:04.and that is where we need to be. -- I think what she persuaded all of us

:13:05. > :13:08.of. So she has two years to see through the negotiations, then she

:13:09. > :13:11.hands over to whoever head of the next general election? It depends on

:13:12. > :13:15.a number of factors, how the relationship with the DUP works out,

:13:16. > :13:18.and I think it depends on the Conservative Party itself. If the

:13:19. > :13:22.Conservative Party itself starts going to war with one another, then

:13:23. > :13:25.the period will be shorter rather than longer. But what you can say is

:13:26. > :13:30.that she's not going to fight the next general election as leader of

:13:31. > :13:35.the Conservative Party? Well, we don't know that yet. I think it is

:13:36. > :13:41.far too soon to say that. You think she could? With that majority? She

:13:42. > :13:45.could, it depends how the thing works out. If the Brexit negotiation

:13:46. > :13:49.went incredibly well and she was crowned as having done an incredibly

:13:50. > :13:55.good deal, I think you might find that the holes and tuition would

:13:56. > :14:00.change. I entirely agree about that, Victoria, you will recognise the

:14:01. > :14:06.slogan that a week is a long time in politics. Two years, 104 weeks, is a

:14:07. > :14:09.very long time in politics, and none of us have the slightest idea what

:14:10. > :14:13.will happen. The important thing is to focus on those years, getting to

:14:14. > :14:18.a successful conclusion on Brexit, and then the whole nation will be in

:14:19. > :14:22.a different position. Do you agree with your colleague that she could

:14:23. > :14:26.be in charge for less than two years, depending on what happens?

:14:27. > :14:30.Prime Ministers are in charge on the basis of delivering for the country,

:14:31. > :14:34.I am confident she will deliver, and I'm confident she will be in charge

:14:35. > :14:38.throughout that period, and I think it is altogether likely she will

:14:39. > :14:43.fight the next election as well. But we take that step-by-step, we have

:14:44. > :14:48.to lock in the DUP, deliver on Brexit and the economy, regain the

:14:49. > :14:54.confidence of electors, many of whom voted for us, many of whom did not,

:14:55. > :14:58.and that is what politics is about. Lord Turnbull, formerly a top civil

:14:59. > :15:04.servant and three Prime Ministers, you have called for Theresa May to

:15:05. > :15:08.stand aside - that would not help Britain's Brexit negotiations. Well,

:15:09. > :15:14.I don't think this coalition can last five years. You haven't even

:15:15. > :15:17.given it a day! I did not say how soon, there is a difference between

:15:18. > :15:22.when she goes and makes it clear that she is going to go, the Ed

:15:23. > :15:28.Miliband time table - I think we will find that this coalition needs

:15:29. > :15:32.to be settled in, get past the Queen's Speech to demonstrate that

:15:33. > :15:39.it can win votes, and then people will look at what it can achieve.

:15:40. > :15:42.Its problem is that it will be, apart from the Brexit negotiators, a

:15:43. > :15:47.near do nothing parliament. It has no strength to take any of the

:15:48. > :15:50.measures that it wants to take, and that will be incredibly frustrating.

:15:51. > :15:57.I don't think she can be the person who fights the next election. The

:15:58. > :16:04.precedents, we have had three elections which were inconclusive,

:16:05. > :16:07.1951, 1964 and 1974, and then another election shortly thereafter.

:16:08. > :16:10.In each case, the election thereafter was won by the side that

:16:11. > :16:18.had the momentum. Although Labour didn't get more

:16:19. > :16:24.seats they definitely had the momentum. So that's the danger. Do

:16:25. > :16:29.the Conservatives want to fight that election with someone who was a very

:16:30. > :16:34.poor cam pamer and handled it so badly or do they want someone new?

:16:35. > :16:39.If they want someone new they have got to get that person in, in time

:16:40. > :16:46.for them to settle in, establish some record and when you start

:16:47. > :16:53.working you find this change needs to be made before two years. There

:16:54. > :16:59.is another precedent here which is in 2010 when as you know I was arbli

:17:00. > :17:03.involved in negotiating an agreement with the Liberal Democrats, but lots

:17:04. > :17:06.of other people told me and people reported in the press that this

:17:07. > :17:09.couldn't possibly last. It lasted the whole course of the Parliament.

:17:10. > :17:13.That Government achieved a great deal and David Cameron went on to

:17:14. > :17:16.win a general election with an outright majority thereafter. So

:17:17. > :17:21.there are conflicting precedents here and actually, I don't think

:17:22. > :17:25.that the Conservative Party or those who are commenting on these matters

:17:26. > :17:32.should be focussing on the question of election victory or otherwise in

:17:33. > :17:35.2022. This nation faces an obsolutely critical juncture in its

:17:36. > :17:38.whole history and who we should be focussing on is getting through that

:17:39. > :17:43.and doing the next two years successfully for all of us and that,

:17:44. > :17:47.I think, that came out of the meeting of the 1922 the Conservative

:17:48. > :17:51.Party in Parliament, wherever else, is focussed on delivering a good

:17:52. > :17:54.Brexit outcome and a sound economy as the background to that in the

:17:55. > :18:00.nation's interests and that's what we should be doing. What you're

:18:01. > :18:03.papering over Oliver is the massive division in view within the

:18:04. > :18:11.Conservative Party. This is where the biggest fault line of politics

:18:12. > :18:16.is. Do they want a hard Brexit which prioritises control over the

:18:17. > :18:19.movement of people or do they want a Brexit which prioritises trade?

:18:20. > :18:26.Until you've settled that, I don't see how you can get to a successful

:18:27. > :18:29.budget negotiation. Whilst you're here briefly, voters have been

:18:30. > :18:32.drawing up on our programme today a code of conduct for MPs as MPs go

:18:33. > :18:37.back to Westminster after the election. The voters have suggested

:18:38. > :18:43.these five points on how they'd like MPs to behave. Number one,

:18:44. > :18:46.integrity, number two, empathy, number three, clarity and directness

:18:47. > :18:51.and four humility, number five passion. Is there any you would

:18:52. > :18:55.disagree. You raised your eyebrows at passion, Jeffrey Clifton-Brown? A

:18:56. > :19:01.politician always has got to have passion and the two really important

:19:02. > :19:04.things is next week we start the complicated Brexit negotiations. The

:19:05. > :19:07.most important event of this country since the Second World War and the

:19:08. > :19:12.Conservative Party will unite around Theresa May because the alternative

:19:13. > :19:14.of Jeremy Corbyn is much worse to every Conservative member of

:19:15. > :19:18.Parliament and that's why they'll unite. Thank you all. Thank you very

:19:19. > :19:32.much. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:19:33. > :19:35.Joims Brokenshire says he's confident a deal between the

:19:36. > :19:39.Conservatives and the DUP will be reached today. He has been speaking

:19:40. > :19:45.to the BBC in the past half an hour. I'm sure that will be a matter of

:19:46. > :19:48.discussion for them and I'm sure we will have more details during the

:19:49. > :19:51.course of the day, but the thing to stress is that the work that I do as

:19:52. > :19:55.Secretary of State for Northern Ireland is separate. That we are

:19:56. > :19:59.very clear on the work that I was doing yesterday afternoon and

:20:00. > :20:03.evening around the devolution settlements and ensuring that we get

:20:04. > :20:07.devolved Government back and that is something that as a Government we

:20:08. > :20:12.hold fast to on ensuring that our duties to serve Northern Ireland

:20:13. > :20:15.well, to adhere to our responsibilities under the Belfast

:20:16. > :20:19.Agreement, absolutely is at the core of what we are as a Government, and

:20:20. > :20:22.will certainly guide our actions into the future.

:20:23. > :20:26.INAUDIBLE Well,ual' confident. I think the

:20:27. > :20:29.discussions thus far have been positive, but the leader of the DUP

:20:30. > :20:33.is seeing the Prime Minister later today for further discussions around

:20:34. > :20:37.the agreement. We want to see conclusions so that we can get on

:20:38. > :20:40.with acting in the best interests of our country and actually getting on

:20:41. > :20:45.with the job. James Brokenshire.

:20:46. > :20:52.The sister and husband of Jo Cox will be

:20:53. > :20:54.joining us to reflect on her life and legacy almost a year

:20:55. > :21:06.Theresa May has failed to protect survivors

:21:07. > :21:08.of historical child sex abuse, that's according to another group

:21:09. > :21:11.which this morning is exclusively announcing on this programme that

:21:12. > :21:18.it's quitting the Government's independent inquiry.

:21:19. > :21:23.The independent inquiry into child sexual abuse

:21:24. > :21:25.in England and Wales was set-up by Theresa May during her

:21:26. > :21:28.It aimed to investigate claims of sexual abuse

:21:29. > :21:29.against local authorities, religious organisations,

:21:30. > :21:31.the Armed Forces and public and private institutions

:21:32. > :21:36.and to "expose failures and learn the lessons" from the past.

:21:37. > :21:38.But it has been dogged by controversy

:21:39. > :21:40.with many key victims groups quitting saying they've lost faith

:21:41. > :21:44.in it and accusing the inquiry of not being truly independent.

:21:45. > :21:47.Now, another group which represents more than 100 survivors,

:21:48. > :21:51.has told this programme that they share the same concerns.

:21:52. > :21:54.Let's talk now to Phil Frampton from the Survivors of Organised

:21:55. > :21:58.and Institutional Abuse, part of the White Flowers Campaign.

:21:59. > :22:05.They have withdrawn from the inquiry. Thank you for talking to

:22:06. > :22:11.us. Good morning, Victoria. Tell us why you're withdrawing? For three

:22:12. > :22:18.years, White Flowers and thousands of survivors have fought for justice

:22:19. > :22:22.on this inquiry and we just don't believe anymore that it's aim is to

:22:23. > :22:27.deliver justice. It's aim is to be investigative, it looks more like a

:22:28. > :22:32.report writing exercise now, but when it was set-up, we stood by this

:22:33. > :22:36.inquiry for three years. We've been critical, but we pointed out at the

:22:37. > :22:39.beginning that it was riddled with conflicts of interest and when

:22:40. > :22:44.you've got conflicts of interest and you're looking at one of the darkest

:22:45. > :22:49.episodes in British history then, people with conflicts of interest

:22:50. > :22:51.will never shine the torch into the dark corners because they're too

:22:52. > :22:55.frightened that they will find themselves or their friends there

:22:56. > :23:01.and that's really what we found. First of all, the Home Office were

:23:02. > :23:05.put in charge. Prior to 1970, the Home Office had responsibility for

:23:06. > :23:09.all of London's children's homes plus the hundreds of children's

:23:10. > :23:15.homes, approved schools and so forth across the country and yet initially

:23:16. > :23:18.they were actually kept out of the abuse before 1970, was kept out. The

:23:19. > :23:24.Home Office is also responsible for the police. It's one of the failing

:23:25. > :23:27.institutions in relation to child abuse so far as many survivors are

:23:28. > :23:35.concerned yet they are at the heart of the inquiry. Their secondments

:23:36. > :23:40.are running the inquiry now. It beggars belief and at the same time,

:23:41. > :23:47.they have put as the Shirley Oaks survivors pointed out, they put an

:23:48. > :23:50.executive social worker in charge of the inquiry, they may have good

:23:51. > :23:53.interests, but also conflicts of interests there in the sense that

:23:54. > :23:57.they are the people who again, many of those social workers, who

:23:58. > :24:03.survivors believe failed them. So you simply don't trust it hence your

:24:04. > :24:09.withdrawal but then how do you find out, how do you get to the bottom of

:24:10. > :24:13.alleged historical abuse in all these institutions? This inquiry is

:24:14. > :24:19.not to get to the bottom of that alleged abuse. That's the issue. We

:24:20. > :24:22.don't feel it's, that its job. It's almost like a paper exercise now,

:24:23. > :24:28.studying reports. So what do you want then? Well, what we want is a

:24:29. > :24:32.truly investigative inquiry. What we needed was a truly investigative

:24:33. > :24:37.inquiry. So are you saying scrap this and start again? No, it can be,

:24:38. > :24:42.it's up to the inquiry to decide, but there are other ways of doing it

:24:43. > :24:49.rather than using this inquiry. This inquiry, many survivors still have

:24:50. > :24:53.some hope in and I, you know, I feel for them really, but it's a question

:24:54. > :24:57.of the inquiry could change itself overnight, if Theresa May wanted,

:24:58. > :25:01.but sadly, I think Theresa May's shown she is more interested in her

:25:02. > :25:06.own personal appearance than she is in how in substance, in real

:25:07. > :25:09.substance. Theresa May said this inquiry would have, that survivors

:25:10. > :25:13.would be at the heart of this inquiry and the truth is survivors

:25:14. > :25:19.are on the very margins of this inquiry. Our representatives went to

:25:20. > :25:24.a seminar, an official seminar of the inquiry and we're told to sit at

:25:25. > :25:27.the back and to keep quiet and handed post-it notes and told if we

:25:28. > :25:31.want to ask a question then we should write them on there and let

:25:32. > :25:32.Professor Jay answer if she has got time. How is that survivors being at

:25:33. > :25:36.the heart of an inquiry? We obviously asked the independent

:25:37. > :25:39.inquiry into child sexual abuse They said no, but in a statement

:25:40. > :25:45.told us, "Whilst we regret the decision by Survivors

:25:46. > :25:47.of Organised Institutional Abuse to withdraw from the inquiry,

:25:48. > :25:49.we acknowledge their decision and would like to reassure

:25:50. > :25:51.all victims and survivors that the important work

:25:52. > :25:56.of the inquiry including the accountability and reparations

:25:57. > :25:58.investigation that SOIA The inquiry would welcome them back

:25:59. > :26:15.should they decide they wish Can I just say a lot of survivors,

:26:16. > :26:23.thousands of survivors have put huge emotional capital into this inquiry

:26:24. > :26:27.over the last three years. The core participants may have to wait three

:26:28. > :26:30.or four years time. Not being able to move on unless they can get

:26:31. > :26:37.support from the inquiry, but the inquiry has said this they will not

:26:38. > :26:42.give that support until those cases go to, are considered and therefore,

:26:43. > :26:47.it could be four years more. Survivors are dropping out of the

:26:48. > :26:51.inquiry at the moment because they can't afford to leave their lives

:26:52. > :26:56.and their emotions on hold. That, for me, is callous and cruel. It's

:26:57. > :27:01.callous, cruel and incompetent if you're running a serious inquiry

:27:02. > :27:05.over such psychological issues. OK, thank you very much, Phil. Thank

:27:06. > :27:06.you, Phil Frampton from the survivors of organised and

:27:07. > :27:10.institutional abuse. The sister

:27:11. > :27:15.and husband of Jo Cox will be joining us to reflect on her life

:27:16. > :27:23.and legacy almost a year With the news, here's Joanna

:27:24. > :27:35.in the BBC Newsroom. Theresa May is meeting with the DUP

:27:36. > :27:37.leader, Arlene Foster, today to thrash out a deal that

:27:38. > :27:40.would see the party prop up With Brexit talks due to begin

:27:41. > :27:44.in less than a week, the EU's chief negotiator,

:27:45. > :27:46.Michel Barnier, has said Britain He's also urged the Government

:27:47. > :27:50.to appoint a negotiating team that is stable,

:27:51. > :27:52.accountable and with a mandate. Inflation unexpectedly jumped

:27:53. > :27:54.to its highest level Consumer prices increased by 2.9%

:27:55. > :28:06.compared with a year earlier, it is the biggest increase since

:28:07. > :28:08.June 2013,according to the Office It said one of the main reasons

:28:09. > :28:16.for the rise was the cost of foreign package holidays

:28:17. > :28:24.for British tourists. The European Court of Human Rights

:28:25. > :28:28.will rule on whether doctors treating Charlie Gard can turn off

:28:29. > :28:31.his life support. Last week the UK's Supreme Court agreed with specialist

:28:32. > :28:35.doctors that he should receive palliative care instead.

:28:36. > :28:37.A woman has been charged with murder, after a man was hit

:28:38. > :28:41.Emergency crews were called to Victoria Station on Sunday

:28:42. > :28:44.evening, but were unable to save him.

:28:45. > :28:48.Charrissa Loren Brown-Wellington, who is 31, will appear

:28:49. > :28:52.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:28:53. > :29:03.Highlanders have snatched a win over the British and Irish Lions

:29:04. > :29:07.The Lions gave away a penalty with just six

:29:08. > :29:09.minutes left on the clock and that was enough to put

:29:10. > :29:12.the South Island side just one point ahead,

:29:13. > :29:19.a lead they held onto until the final whistle.

:29:20. > :29:22.A senior coach working with the country's Olympic bobsleigh

:29:23. > :29:25.squad has been accused of racism amid multiple complaints of a "toxic

:29:26. > :29:31.England's footballers play France in a friendly in Paris tonight.

:29:32. > :29:33.French fans are expected to join in with God Save The Queen

:29:34. > :29:36.as a mark of respect following the terror attacks.

:29:37. > :29:37.Prime Minister Theresa May and President Emmanuel

:29:38. > :29:45.Britain's six-time Paralympic champion David Weir will compete

:29:46. > :29:48.in a track event for the final time in next month's

:29:49. > :29:54.He won the London Marathon for the seventh time in April.

:29:55. > :30:01.That's all the sport. Back to you Victoria. Thank you very much.

:30:02. > :30:04.Friday marks the first anniversary of the death of Labour MP Jo Cox,

:30:05. > :30:06.who was killed in Birstall, outside her constituency surgery.

:30:07. > :30:07.Her senseless killing sent shockwaves

:30:08. > :30:10.around the world but united the country in grief.

:30:11. > :30:14.A year on, and her family are determined to continue her legacy.

:30:15. > :30:16.This weekend, on the first anniversary of her death,

:30:17. > :30:19.they're encouraging people to join together with neighbours,

:30:20. > :30:24.friends and their local community at events in her memory.

:30:25. > :30:26.In a moment, we'll speak to Jo's husband Brendan

:30:27. > :30:29.and her sister, Kim Leadbeater, but first let's hear Jo's parents

:30:30. > :30:44.remembering the moment they learnt she'd died.

:30:45. > :30:45.We'd just sat down about five minutes,

:30:46. > :30:51.And he just said, Jo's been shot, I think.

:30:52. > :30:59.And we jumped in the car, I remember I was jumping in the car,

:31:00. > :31:06.I don't know how we managed to get there.

:31:07. > :31:23.People are shot and recover, et cetera, et cetera.

:31:24. > :31:27.So we didn't know at that time. I think we knew.

:31:28. > :31:30.I think I did. I didn't know.

:31:31. > :31:34.But you see these things on the television where the doctor,

:31:35. > :31:36.in this case it was a police inspector,

:31:37. > :31:38.comes into the room and he has to tell you.

:31:39. > :31:41.In fact, he doesn't have to tell you.

:31:42. > :31:44.You can see by his expression.

:31:45. > :31:55.And he said, "I'm sorry to say she didn't make it."

:31:56. > :31:59.because there's a piece missing.

:32:00. > :32:02.The low times for us are when we turn the television

:32:03. > :32:04.on and see terrorist acts - Westminster Bridge, Manchester -

:32:05. > :32:07.because that's when it brings everything back.

:32:08. > :32:08.For me, the ambulances, the sirens,

:32:09. > :32:20.But we also think about the people who have lost loved ones,

:32:21. > :32:25.and we know what they are actually just going through.

:32:26. > :32:35.And unfortunately they don't, as yet.

:32:36. > :32:38.Going forward, build on the children, the grandchildren.

:32:39. > :32:46.Because you're right, it won't go away.

:32:47. > :33:15.# Looking back, I could have played differently... #

:33:16. > :33:19.More than one person came up to me after the funeral,

:33:20. > :33:22.and after Kim talked in Birstall marketplace,

:33:23. > :33:26.and said, "You've got not one but two marvellous daughters."

:33:27. > :33:35.on the television et cetera, making speeches."

:33:36. > :33:54.because I can't separate the two and never would.

:33:55. > :34:00.Talking to us now are Kim Ledbeater and Brendan Cox, Jo's husband.

:34:01. > :34:13.Kim, Jo's sister. Hello. Hi. How are you? I found it very hard to watch

:34:14. > :34:16.that film. Kim, how are you? OK, I think we are tired, extremely busy,

:34:17. > :34:22.but we at to demand that we will get through the next couple of weeks, as

:34:23. > :34:27.Jo would want us two. Not to say it will not be very difficult at times,

:34:28. > :34:34.but we will get there. You talk in the book, Brendan, you talk about

:34:35. > :34:39.the Jo that you knew. I want you both to tell our audience what she

:34:40. > :34:46.was like, because they will not know that much about. Yeah, you can see

:34:47. > :34:49.it in some of that footage, huge energy and enthusiasm, zest for

:34:50. > :34:57.life. She threw herself everything from campaigning to being a mum, to

:34:58. > :35:02.being part of our community, and she just, yeah, as well as that energy,

:35:03. > :35:06.she had an empathy, I know it is on the board! But I talked about it

:35:07. > :35:11.before, and just that sends of ability to feel how people are

:35:12. > :35:16.feeling and empathise with people, whether you were an older person who

:35:17. > :35:20.hadn't seen anybody for a week, who lived in her constituency, or a

:35:21. > :35:25.family from Syria fleeing the conflict there, that supreme ability

:35:26. > :35:30.to empathise and that energy which, for me, which summarises her. Jo was

:35:31. > :35:38.an extremely positive person, she had values that, you know, we can

:35:39. > :35:41.probably all learn from, but if you see my parents speaking, we are glad

:35:42. > :35:45.to have full people. We are not going to be beaten, we always trying

:35:46. > :35:49.to find the positive and good in things. Jo saw the good in

:35:50. > :35:54.everything and everyone, and you will struggle to find anyone who did

:35:55. > :35:57.not like it. You might disagree and debate, fine, but I don't think I've

:35:58. > :36:05.ever met anybody who didn't like. And she was also very annoying! She

:36:06. > :36:10.was not perfect! Everyone is a bit annoying at some point. She was late

:36:11. > :36:17.for everything, forget everybody's birthdays! Unbelievably forgetful.

:36:18. > :36:22.When Jo and I were getting engaged, one of the stories I tell in the

:36:23. > :36:27.book, we went on a cycling holiday, and she forgot her bike. A cycling

:36:28. > :36:32.holiday, how do you forget your bike?! So incredibly annoying, but

:36:33. > :36:37.looking back now, those things are, you know, what made her her. She

:36:38. > :36:41.wasn't a saint, she wasn't perfect, but she was somebody, as we have

:36:42. > :36:47.said, that had this positivity, empathy, a zest for life. Even when

:36:48. > :36:52.she was forgetting her bike, that shone through. Let me read you a

:36:53. > :36:56.couple of messages, so many of these, these are representative of

:36:57. > :37:02.all of them. Kim says, my heartfelt love to Brendan, Kim and all Jo's

:37:03. > :37:06.family, such a heartbreaking loss, what a beautiful legacy Jo left, her

:37:07. > :37:11.passing is not in vain, I have ordered your book, big love to you

:37:12. > :37:15.all. Sophia says, Jo Cox was an inspiration in life and in death,

:37:16. > :37:23.thank you, Jo, despite the dark, horrid early days, your mission

:37:24. > :37:27.lives on, thank you for giving us hope. I don't know if you take

:37:28. > :37:30.comfort in kind words from strangers, do you? Absolutely, it is

:37:31. > :37:36.one of the things that has got us through. For me and mum and dad, the

:37:37. > :37:40.support that has been shown, not just from people we know, but total

:37:41. > :37:45.strangers across the country and across the world, because even if

:37:46. > :37:49.you didn't know Jo, you could see what she stood for, so you might not

:37:50. > :37:56.miss on a personal level in the way we do, but you will see what a loss

:37:57. > :38:02.it is, someone who had those values, so that support has been, yeah,

:38:03. > :38:10.phenomenal. And for often when you go through a loss, you feel very

:38:11. > :38:16.isolated, because everyone else's lives take on as normal. And with

:38:17. > :38:19.this, they could see that other people were feeling the pain that

:38:20. > :38:29.they were feeling, not the same size or scale intensity, but I remember,

:38:30. > :38:35.on the way to the funeral, in the car, Cuillin turned to me, thousands

:38:36. > :38:38.of people and, throwing flowers, and Cuillin said I know that people love

:38:39. > :38:46.money, but I didn't know this many people did. -- loved Mummy. So that

:38:47. > :38:51.compassion, and it is more important, because you can imagine,

:38:52. > :38:56.if this happens at such a formative stage of your life, your view of

:38:57. > :39:00.life and our country could end up being very dark, but they don't have

:39:01. > :39:04.that at all, because of that compassion and kindness, they are

:39:05. > :39:07.only inform six, but they have a very optimistic and enthusiastic

:39:08. > :39:16.view of life. That is testament to you, isn't it? Brendan has been

:39:17. > :39:20.amazing, his priority has been the children since then, the way that

:39:21. > :39:26.they are coping, not just coping, thriving, that is down to how he has

:39:27. > :39:29.done his job. Not just me, Jo and I often talked about how the first

:39:30. > :39:32.three years were critical for kids in terms of the way their brains

:39:33. > :39:36.develop, the way they get their sense of cells, so they have a hell

:39:37. > :39:41.of a lot of Jo in them, and the thing that has got me through is the

:39:42. > :39:47.family, incredibly close family, both on Jo's side and the mine, and

:39:48. > :39:53.then the community. And that is, for us, such a big part of Jo's

:39:54. > :39:57.politics, she wasn't an ideological politician who got her politics from

:39:58. > :40:01.textbooks. She got her politics particularly from her home life in

:40:02. > :40:05.Batley, from her grandad, who was a postman in Batley, and the sense

:40:06. > :40:09.that she got from him of how important it was to know your

:40:10. > :40:15.neighbours, and how much she valued that. So that became a big part of

:40:16. > :40:19.her life and her politics, but now, this morning, I had to get up early

:40:20. > :40:27.to do an interview, and very kindly the neighbours through the tips...

:40:28. > :40:33.They put them on the boat! They are as happy as Larry, and that is

:40:34. > :40:37.hugely valuable. You both mentioned community, but there is the global

:40:38. > :40:44.community, you have had contact from people all over the world, including

:40:45. > :40:48.President Obama. Yeah! And Gordon Brown, who she used to work for,

:40:49. > :40:55.saying, is it all right if President Obama gives you a call? I was

:40:56. > :40:58.speaking to Gordon, and he said, yeah, is it OK if he gets in touch,

:40:59. > :41:03.and I thought he might send a card or something, which I thought was

:41:04. > :41:09.incredible. And my phone rang and it was the weirdest, like out of a bad

:41:10. > :41:13.American film, when they say, can we transfer you to Air Force One?

:41:14. > :41:18.Really? I thought it was maybe taking the make. But it would have

:41:19. > :41:23.been a strange time to do it. He invited us to go over and see him,

:41:24. > :41:26.which was an incredible experience, and amazing for the kids, even

:41:27. > :41:35.though they were then three and five. They got a hell of a lot from

:41:36. > :41:38.it, and Cuillin is obsessed with history, I'd tell you about the

:41:39. > :41:42.Second World War, which I don't know and have about! I had been telling

:41:43. > :41:46.him about the history of America, what little I know about it, and the

:41:47. > :41:50.first thing he said when he got into the room was, I thought the British

:41:51. > :41:53.burned the White House down, the most embarrassing thing you could

:41:54. > :42:00.possibly say! The president said it was much better now that they had

:42:01. > :42:05.rebuilt it. So he was thankful! Tim, you can't bring Jo back, what can

:42:06. > :42:11.you do? I think, for me, accepting that we cannot change what has

:42:12. > :42:16.happened. Whilst it is buried, that is the only way to move forward so

:42:17. > :42:20.three things I want to do. That whilst it is very difficult. I want

:42:21. > :42:25.to scoop the kids up in love, make sure they know how amazing the mum

:42:26. > :42:29.was, how much she loved them, that is the top priority. Second thing

:42:30. > :42:39.is, remember how lucky we were to have Jo, and I was so lucky, we were

:42:40. > :42:42.friends first and foremost, and we will always have those memories. The

:42:43. > :42:49.third thing is to create some kind of legacy, which Brendan is doing

:42:50. > :42:54.amazingly, and I would like to be part of that. I don't now how that

:42:55. > :42:59.would work in the future, but what resonates with me is that Jo should

:43:00. > :43:03.have been alive for at least another 40 years, and the work she would

:43:04. > :43:10.have done in that 40 years, what you would have achieved to do things,

:43:11. > :43:15.and I feel a bit of a moral duty to do something positive and help

:43:16. > :43:18.people, like Jo would have done. Thank you both very much, thank you

:43:19. > :43:26.for talking to us. The book is out today, it is called Jo Cox: More In

:43:27. > :43:30.Common. All the profits are going to the foundation which is taking

:43:31. > :43:33.forward her work. This weekend is the Great Get Together, which we

:43:34. > :43:37.have been putting together for what feels like a long time now excited

:43:38. > :43:41.is a simple idea, asking people to get together with their neighbours,

:43:42. > :43:45.share food, celebrate all the things we have in common. Jo talked about

:43:46. > :43:49.that a lot, the killing was designed to divide us, and we think the best

:43:50. > :43:53.possible response is a weekend to bring the country back together

:43:54. > :43:57.again, which we do need. And you have got your address at the ready!

:43:58. > :44:01.Get together and have a good weekend. Thank you both, thank you.

:44:02. > :44:03.A court ruling is due this month in Northern Ireland

:44:04. > :44:05.over the strict abortion laws there.

:44:06. > :44:07.Campaigners say the result has been made all the more significant

:44:08. > :44:11.Unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is illegal

:44:12. > :44:14.in almost all circumstances in Northern Ireland.

:44:15. > :44:17.Campaigners hope the ruling will be a step towards changing the law

:44:18. > :44:24.in cases of rape, incest or fatal foetal abnormality.

:44:25. > :44:50.Hi. I'm Sarah. Nice to meet you. Come on in. Thank you. This is my

:44:51. > :44:58.mum, Jane. Hi Jane. Nice to meet you. It was just a few weeks after

:44:59. > :45:02.Sarah Yeates' wedding that she found out she was pregnant. It was all

:45:03. > :45:07.planned and she was delighted. Everyone talked about the 3D scan

:45:08. > :45:12.and we wanted to see the baby in 3D. It was private. It wasn't at our

:45:13. > :45:20.hospital. They put the baby on the scroon. Feet, legs, oh you're having

:45:21. > :45:24.a wee girl the when she got to the baby's head, there was nothing from

:45:25. > :45:30.above the baby's eyes basically. There was no skull or brain

:45:31. > :45:33.formation. Sarah's baby had a condition which occurs in six in

:45:34. > :45:38.every 10,000 births. There is no treatment. And babies with it die

:45:39. > :45:43.before they're born or shortly after birth. This is your scan that you

:45:44. > :45:46.got? Yes, the skull wasn't formed. There was nothing above that. It

:45:47. > :45:52.should be round and it's not. So the baby wasn't going to be able to

:45:53. > :45:56.survive as soon as the baby was cut from me, when the umbilical cord was

:45:57. > :46:05.cut that's when the baby would have passed away. When I realised what,

:46:06. > :46:10.the baby wasn't going to survive and how bad the condition was, I thought

:46:11. > :46:14.that I couldn't continue on for nine months and people asking me when you

:46:15. > :46:19.were due, was your nursery set-up? Did you know what you were having? I

:46:20. > :46:26.just did not have the baby at the end of it, I just felt like I

:46:27. > :46:30.couldn't go through with that. We said we wanted a medical termination

:46:31. > :46:34.and that's what it is. And they said sorry, we can't help you and we were

:46:35. > :46:38.absolutely shocked. We were like, what do you mean you can't help?

:46:39. > :46:45.They said, sorry, but with the law here, we can't help you. You would

:46:46. > :46:50.have to go across the water. Unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is

:46:51. > :46:55.illegal here in Northern Ireland in almost all circumstances. That meant

:46:56. > :46:58.that at 21 weeks pregnant Sarah had to travel to London to have her

:46:59. > :47:03.abortion. It is that experience that means she is involved in this court

:47:04. > :47:07.case. Halfs the experience like? Making that journey, going all that

:47:08. > :47:13.way? Awful. I should have been at home with my family round me, my

:47:14. > :47:19.friends supporting me. Sarah started her fight in court with the judicial

:47:20. > :47:22.review two years ago. In 2015, the Northern Ireland Human Rights

:47:23. > :47:26.Commission brought the case to extend the grounds for abortion. The

:47:27. > :47:34.judge in the case ruled that women, who were victims of rape or incest,

:47:35. > :47:40.and in cases of foetal abnormality should be allowed abortions, but the

:47:41. > :47:45.ruling was appealed and campaigners are awaiting for a decision from the

:47:46. > :47:51.Appeal Court. Sarah is being backed by Amnesty International. Well nrm's

:47:52. > :47:56.laws date back to 1861 and unlike in the rest of the UK the 1967 Act

:47:57. > :48:01.doesn't apply in Northern Ireland. So it means that with the exception

:48:02. > :48:05.of where a woman's life and her long-term physical and mental health

:48:06. > :48:10.are at risk, abortion is illegal in every other circumstance. So, our

:48:11. > :48:15.laws force women who have been ramd, they force girls who are victims of

:48:16. > :48:21.incest to travel to access abortion services. Amnesty say the likely

:48:22. > :48:25.Conservative DUP deal makes this case even more important. They say

:48:26. > :48:29.that Northern Ireland's politicians, particularly the DUP, have failed to

:48:30. > :48:33.deliver abortion reform and that's why they have to take the fight to

:48:34. > :48:37.court. What's the result you're looking for from this court case?

:48:38. > :48:45.With this case specifically we want the court to find that our laws, not

:48:46. > :48:50.only breach a woman's right to privacy, but our laws aamount to

:48:51. > :48:53.cruel and degrading treatment and are discriminatory against women in

:48:54. > :48:56.this part of the UK because if Sarah and women in those circumstances

:48:57. > :49:01.lived in another part of the UK, they would have been able to access

:49:02. > :49:03.abortion lawfully, but here, our law treats women like Sarah as a

:49:04. > :49:06.criminal. We shouldn't have been in that

:49:07. > :49:10.situation. We should have been at home with our medicals and in our

:49:11. > :49:16.hospital. Nobody knows when this is going to happen. It could happen

:49:17. > :49:20.again. I have a sister and female cousins, girls, women, constantly

:49:21. > :49:24.contacting us... Abortion is such a sensitive issue here and there are

:49:25. > :49:28.many opponents to Amnesty to Sarah. Those who don't want to see any

:49:29. > :49:31.extension to the circumstances in which abortion is legal. And so have

:49:32. > :49:44.involved themselves in this court case. I'm off to see antiabortion

:49:45. > :49:48.group. They're called Precious Life. They are set-up outside the

:49:49. > :50:02.university here. Hi, nice to meet you. You too. Is this your team?

:50:03. > :50:06.This Lucy is the chair of the Queen's Pro Life Society. She

:50:07. > :50:12.organises the outreach here every week. You get a really good

:50:13. > :50:17.reception. I believe that every life deserves to be protected, you know,

:50:18. > :50:21.both women and children and I don't think you can sort of rank the value

:50:22. > :50:26.of a human life based on anything. If someone has a disability or based

:50:27. > :50:29.on the circumstances of conception I think you have to protect everybody.

:50:30. > :50:37.This case in the court is about women who have been raped. Or have

:50:38. > :50:41.been subject to incest or where the baby will never live outside of

:50:42. > :50:46.pregnancy or will die as soon as it's born. We would argue as a third

:50:47. > :50:49.party intervener in that particular case that every child should be

:50:50. > :50:54.protected in law, policy and practise and that the law here

:50:55. > :50:58.should not be changed. While a child in the womb, that child alive and

:50:59. > :51:02.kicking. That child is a human being and that child deserves to be

:51:03. > :51:06.protected. So you think even if the mother doesn't want to carry it, she

:51:07. > :51:11.should have to? To murder a child in the womb is always wrong and that's

:51:12. > :51:20.what happens through an abortion. They know you're there, that's

:51:21. > :51:25.probably why. So do you have any sympathy with the pro-lifers?

:51:26. > :51:29.They're unbelievably passionate about this and they, through their

:51:30. > :51:34.eyes, that baby, that unborn baby is just the same as you or I? I

:51:35. > :51:38.appreciate that this is an issue that people have strong feelings on,

:51:39. > :51:43.but where I draw the line is when people force that opinion on other

:51:44. > :51:47.women. You know, this is an issue for each individual woman and her

:51:48. > :51:50.doctor. It's no one else's business. It's a private matter. What is it

:51:51. > :51:56.like for you, listening to the stories of the women that come to

:51:57. > :52:00.you? It's enormously difficult. I'm obviously speaking to these women in

:52:01. > :52:03.my Amnesty capacity, but as a woman myself I can't imagine what it's

:52:04. > :52:07.like for these women in these circumstances to be told that your

:52:08. > :52:15.pregnancy isn't viable or to be a victim of rape, to be a child who is

:52:16. > :52:18.a victim of incest, and to be told by doctors here, we can't help you.

:52:19. > :52:24.I mean abortion is not only a healthcare and Human Rights issue,

:52:25. > :52:28.but there is an economic dimension, women who have money will be able to

:52:29. > :52:32.circum haven't the law here because they can travelment women who live

:52:33. > :52:38.in poverty, don't In 2015 the BBC polled the Northern Irish public on

:52:39. > :52:45.this issue. 84% of people asked said abortion should be available in

:52:46. > :52:51.cases of rape. 67% said it should be in cases of abnormality. Precious

:52:52. > :52:54.Life dispute the findings. 84% of people in Northern Ireland said in

:52:55. > :52:58.cases of rape... Has everybody in Northern Ireland been asked? No.

:52:59. > :53:02.When you do polls, you don't ask everyone. While we are looking at

:53:03. > :53:06.the results, a member of the public starts ripping up their leaflets.

:53:07. > :53:12.She is just doing that for attention. I think you're spreading

:53:13. > :53:16.these. It's upsetting my son seeing these images. Do you think that you

:53:17. > :53:20.have the right to do this to other people walking past? Do you think it

:53:21. > :53:24.is a woman's right to make this decision and not you and your

:53:25. > :53:28.(BLEEP) absurd religious ideas? Don't you think a woman has the

:53:29. > :53:34.right to choose? Well, I think you've answered our question and

:53:35. > :53:38.you're in favour of abortion. (BLEEP) God bless that wee child.

:53:39. > :53:43.There is plenty of anger directed at the stall, but some also want to

:53:44. > :53:48.hear their arguments. Circumstances and it is necessary. In what

:53:49. > :53:52.circumstances? If the girl was raped or sexually abused or what do you

:53:53. > :53:58.call it, incest? Is it the child's fault? No, it's not the child's

:53:59. > :54:02.fault... Right, OK. It's not the girl's fault either. Why should we

:54:03. > :54:15.punish the child? I know what you're saying. I haven't thought about it

:54:16. > :54:19.that way. There you gallon. Yeah. Do you usually have people who are more

:54:20. > :54:23.in favour of your message? Well, a variety of different views and view

:54:24. > :54:27.points, but I mean that's basically for your eyes only that set-up

:54:28. > :54:38.there. We don't have the problem at all with... You have different

:54:39. > :54:42.opinions. It is a very emotional issue, isn't it? It's not really.

:54:43. > :54:46.It's quite black and white. What I'm saying, it's wrong. For a lot of

:54:47. > :54:50.people, it's not wrong, you know? You know that might be their opinion

:54:51. > :54:53.in this day and abling, but they're blind to it and it's important that

:54:54. > :55:03.they are informed and that's what we're here to do. How old is he?

:55:04. > :55:12.Two-and-a-half. Sarah now has two children. Jacob and ten week old

:55:13. > :55:18.Aoife. You've got a good play area here.

:55:19. > :55:26.How did what affect your pregnancies with these two? Well, I was, well,

:55:27. > :55:29.we were so nervous of it happening again. We were told if we had one,

:55:30. > :55:35.we would have a higher chance of having another. Have you had any

:55:36. > :55:39.abuse personally? Yes. Not only attacking me for what I'm trying to

:55:40. > :55:43.do, but they have seen pictures on Facebook of my son and then they

:55:44. > :55:51.were starting to say about ugly redheads and all this sort of stuff.

:55:52. > :55:59.It's just ridiculous. It's so awful. What do you want to see from this

:56:00. > :56:04.court case? Well, politicians failed to help us and women like me so

:56:05. > :56:09.we're hoping that we'll get the help through the court. If they ruled in

:56:10. > :56:17.your favour, would that feel like something of a victory like a step,

:56:18. > :56:25.some sort of change? It's bitter sweet. That's the best way of

:56:26. > :56:33.putting it. It would be a relief, but as I say, it would be mixed.

:56:34. > :56:37.Very mixed. Because... Well, as a family, we would have been against

:56:38. > :56:42.termination and abortion because like many people, we're very naive

:56:43. > :56:46.and very ill informed quite frankly and we had never ever thought that a

:56:47. > :56:50.termination would have been needed on medical grounds and one thing

:56:51. > :56:54.we've learnt from this journey is we don't judge anyone until you walk in

:56:55. > :56:59.their shoes because you just don't know how you'd react. Sarah and her

:57:00. > :57:09.mum want abortion to be legal in cases like her's, cases of foetal

:57:10. > :57:14.arnormality. Amnesty is looking for complete discriminalisation. There

:57:15. > :57:18.is any amount of families who there have who have been confronted with

:57:19. > :57:21.the reality of our law. It is illegal in almost every

:57:22. > :57:25.circumstance. Even if you get a victory in this case, it is likely

:57:26. > :57:31.to be challenged again. It's 2017. Our laws date back to 1861. It's

:57:32. > :57:35.unacceptable that our politicians have not grappled with this issue

:57:36. > :57:45.and legislated for change. Change is long overdue and it is coming.

:57:46. > :57:49.We will continue to follow developments in the case on this

:57:50. > :57:55.programme. Thank you for your help compiling

:57:56. > :58:06.the MPs charter. We asked you how you would like them to behave. There

:58:07. > :58:10.is your list. Number one, integrity. Two, empathy, three clarity and

:58:11. > :58:16.directness, four, humility. Five, passion. We're going to send it to

:58:17. > :58:21.all the new MPs over the coming days and weeks.

:58:22. > :58:25.On the programme tomorrow - snooker legend Ronnie O'Sullivan.

:58:26. > :58:28.Thank you for your company today. Have a good day. Bye-bye.