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:00:13. > :00:14.Hello, it's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

:00:15. > :00:26.The law no deal, Theresa May will meet the leader of the DUP to broker

:00:27. > :00:31.a will to help her stay on in Number Ten. -- deal or no deal. Theresa May

:00:32. > :00:36.tells the party there will be no backtracking on gay rights, despite

:00:37. > :00:38.the deal with the DUP, but could it signal an end to austerity and a

:00:39. > :00:40.shift on Brexit? With MPs returning

:00:41. > :00:43.to the Commons today, we've gathered together

:00:44. > :00:45.a group of you to tell politicians what you want

:00:46. > :00:56.from them in their job. Integrity, I think integrity is key,

:00:57. > :01:05.we want somebody that will have the same persona in their public life as

:01:06. > :01:11.they do in their private lie. Sir Menzies have an inability to answer

:01:12. > :01:28.questions directly, and it is really simple. -- some MPs. Serving as an

:01:29. > :01:34.MP is a privilege, not a right. Almost a year since Jo Cox was

:01:35. > :01:39.murdered, her parents tell us how much they miss her. We will always

:01:40. > :01:44.be broken, because there is a piece missing. To the outside, while we do

:01:45. > :01:47.appear strong, all of us, there is a lot of days when they are bad, it is

:01:48. > :01:48.bad. We'll talk to Jo Cox's sister

:01:49. > :01:57.and husband before 11. And this programme has learned that

:01:58. > :02:02.another group which represents sexual abuse survivors is pulling

:02:03. > :02:06.out of the Government's sex abuse inquiry, accusing Theresa May of

:02:07. > :02:16.failing to protect survivors. We will hear from them before ten.

:02:17. > :02:18.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

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:02:40. > :02:49.Our top story today, Theresa May will meet Arlene Foster to thrash

:02:50. > :02:53.out the details of a deal to support a minority, government.

:02:54. > :02:59.Opposition parties criticised the talks, Sinn Fein suggesting the deal

:03:00. > :03:03.would undermine the Good Friday peace agreement. With Brexit talks

:03:04. > :03:06.due to begin in less than a week, the EU chief negotiator Michel

:03:07. > :03:13.Barnier has called on Britain not to waste time. A medical correspondent

:03:14. > :03:16.Ben Wright has more. -- political correspondent Ben Wright has more.

:03:17. > :03:18.DUP leader Arlene Foster said it is a tremendous opportunity

:03:19. > :03:22.Theresa May knows a deal with the DUP is her only

:03:23. > :03:25.So an agreement will be reached, probably today,

:03:26. > :03:30.A confidence-and-supply arrangement will provide

:03:31. > :03:32.DUP support to the Tories on major votes

:03:33. > :03:36.like the Budget and the Queen's Speech.

:03:37. > :03:37.The alliance leaves the Government

:03:38. > :03:41.with a vulnerable majority of just six.

:03:42. > :03:44.But Theresa May now looks safer in her job

:03:45. > :03:47.after a meeting with Tory MPs yesterday evening.

:03:48. > :03:51.She apologised for the disastrous campaign,

:03:52. > :03:57.declaring, "I got us into this mess and I will get us out of it."

:03:58. > :04:00.There is a reality that is we have to be pragmatic about what is

:04:01. > :04:03.introduced, we have got to work harder to try to bring people

:04:04. > :04:10.along with us, both inside the Conservative Party and beyond.

:04:11. > :04:13.And while Theresa May tries to rebuild the Government

:04:14. > :04:16.from a hung parliament, a warning from the EU

:04:17. > :04:20.that the UK is wasting valuable time negotiating Brexit.

:04:21. > :04:25.More than two months have passed since Theresa May

:04:26. > :04:28.handed in the UK's notice, but no talks have happened,

:04:29. > :04:33.and there is a two-year deadline to hammer out a Brexit deal.

:04:34. > :04:36.Speaking to the Financial Times, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier

:04:37. > :04:39.said the UK needed to appoint a negotiated team with a mandate

:04:40. > :04:46.soon because the process would be extraordinarily complex.

:04:47. > :04:49.Theresa May is also facing calls from some Tory MPs and Labour

:04:50. > :04:52.exactly the uncertainty she wanted the election to stop.

:04:53. > :05:08.We can talk to Norman Smith, who is in Downing Street, where politicians

:05:09. > :05:10.are arriving for a Cabinet meeting, but tell us what we can expect from

:05:11. > :05:16.this deal to be brokered between this deal to be brokered between

:05:17. > :05:20.Arlene Foster and Theresa May. Well, the deal is basically Mrs May's

:05:21. > :05:25.political lifeline to survival, because without it she does not have

:05:26. > :05:30.a majority in the Commons, and she cannot govern, so she absolutely has

:05:31. > :05:33.to have this deal. I think it is almost certain she will get it,

:05:34. > :05:39.would not be coming here. So we can would not be coming here. So we can

:05:40. > :05:44.expect they'd heal, and part of it will be a simple transaction, money

:05:45. > :05:48.for votes, Arlene Foster will want cash for investment, schools,

:05:49. > :05:52.hospitals, maybe a few international conferences, maybe government

:05:53. > :05:56.contracts, big sporting events in Northern Ireland, to show that she

:05:57. > :05:58.is getting something for Northern Ireland out of the deal. But the

:05:59. > :06:03.interesting part of the arrangement is what is not going to be spelt

:06:04. > :06:10.out, and that is the implications for austerity and Brexit. On

:06:11. > :06:14.austerity, the DUP have always opposed many of the austerity

:06:15. > :06:17.measures introduced by this and the previous governments. They still

:06:18. > :06:22.oppose things like the bedroom tax, getting rid of the triple lock on

:06:23. > :06:27.pensions, means testing benefits for the elderly, so the expectation is

:06:28. > :06:32.Mrs May will have to drop large chunks of austerity. That is not as

:06:33. > :06:35.difficult as it sounds, because Tories believe that one of the

:06:36. > :06:38.reasons Mr Corbyn did so well is because he kept banging on about

:06:39. > :06:44.austerity. So to some extent she is pushing at an open door. The more

:06:45. > :06:49.complex and difficult area is on Brexit, because those ministers and

:06:50. > :06:53.MPs who want to shift Mrs May away from her approach on Brexit, and

:06:54. > :06:58.instead to focus on the economy and the impact on the economy of Brexit,

:06:59. > :07:02.believe that the DUP will be on board, because of their concerns

:07:03. > :07:07.about what might happen if there is some sort of hard border between

:07:08. > :07:12.northern and southern Ireland. So there is a view that perhaps the DUP

:07:13. > :07:17.could help tilt the argument now raging again over Brexit against Mrs

:07:18. > :07:21.May. Thank you for the moment, Norman Smith, at Downing Street.

:07:22. > :07:25.Joanna has the rest of the morning's news. A brother and sister have been

:07:26. > :07:29.arrested after a man in his 40s was shot dead at a property in Slough.

:07:30. > :07:34.Reuben and Kathleen Gregory are being held on suspicion of murder.

:07:35. > :07:38.The pair are said to have lived in a caravan near woodland in Slough for

:07:39. > :07:42.more than 50 years. A BBC investigation has discovered

:07:43. > :07:45.22 Facebook accounts belonging They breach the company's rules

:07:46. > :07:48.banning them from the website. Radio 4's File On 4 programme found

:07:49. > :07:51.most of the accounts were taken down within 48 hours

:07:52. > :07:53.of being reported, while six were referred

:07:54. > :08:07.to police to investigate. The European Court of Human Rights

:08:08. > :08:10.and France will rule later whether the live support of a Yale baby boy

:08:11. > :08:17.in London can be switched off. Charlie Gard's parents want to take

:08:18. > :08:19.him to the US for treatment. The UK Supreme Court agreed with specialist

:08:20. > :08:24.doctors that he should instead received palliative care.

:08:25. > :08:26.A group representing abuse survivors has told this programme

:08:27. > :08:28.that it is quitting the government's independent inquiry

:08:29. > :08:33.The White Flowers Campaign has said it blames Theresa May -

:08:34. > :08:36.who set up the inquiry when she was Home Secretary -

:08:37. > :08:39.The group, which represents more than a hundred survivors,

:08:40. > :08:41.said it had lost faith in the inquiry

:08:42. > :08:44.and accused it of not being truly independent.

:08:45. > :08:47.The jury in the trial of the US entertainer Bill Cosby,

:08:48. > :08:49.who's appearing on sex assault charges, will return to court later

:08:50. > :08:51.having failed to reach a verdict last night.

:08:52. > :08:54.The 79-year-old is accused of assaulting a woman at his home

:08:55. > :08:57.The Cosby Show star denies the allegations

:08:58. > :09:03.and says the relationship was consensual.

:09:04. > :09:05.A woman has been charged with murder after a man died

:09:06. > :09:07.following a collision with a tram in Manchester.

:09:08. > :09:10.The 30-year-old man died at the scene

:09:11. > :09:12.at Manchester Victoria station on Sunday evening.

:09:13. > :09:14.31-year-old Charrissa Loren Brown-Wellington

:09:15. > :09:29.New guidelines are being introduced to ensure that sentences for

:09:30. > :09:33.offences committed against children in England and Wales properly

:09:34. > :09:39.reflect the arm suffered by victims. Those who try to blame others could

:09:40. > :09:42.face tougher punishments. The parents of murdered MP Jo Cox told

:09:43. > :09:47.this programme they will always be broken after their daughter's death.

:09:48. > :09:53.Friday marks a year since the Labour MP was killed outside a constituency

:09:54. > :09:55.surgery. This weekend, her family is encouraging people to join with

:09:56. > :10:00.friends and neighbours for a series of community events being held in

:10:01. > :10:02.her memory. We will talk to her husband Brendan and sister Kim at

:10:03. > :10:13.around half past ten. Bev on Facebook says my heart goes

:10:14. > :10:19.out to Jo's family for their loss and the way she was murdered, but

:10:20. > :10:25.life goes on. She is in a better place, let her rest in peace. On

:10:26. > :10:30.Facebook, a very sad loss, Jason on Facebook says, what a beautiful

:10:31. > :10:34.woman Jo Cox was. Alex, if Parliament was made up of people

:10:35. > :10:38.like Jo Cox, what an amazing society we would be living in. Thank you

:10:39. > :10:42.very much for those. Let me bring you breaking news from Germany, it

:10:43. > :10:45.is being reported by a French news agency, several people have been

:10:46. > :10:52.wounded after shots were fired at a railway station near Munich. One

:10:53. > :10:55.person has been detained, according to police, several people have been

:10:56. > :11:01.injured, a female police officer was badly wounded. Munich police have

:11:02. > :11:04.just tweeted, authorities say a handgun was found during a police

:11:05. > :11:10.operation at a station in Munich, although it is not thought to be

:11:11. > :11:15.terrorist related. Several people injured after shots were fired at a

:11:16. > :11:20.railway station near Munich, one person detained, it is not thought

:11:21. > :11:24.to be terrorism related, we are being told. Clearly, we will bring

:11:25. > :11:28.you more as soon as we have it. 11 minutes past nine, we will talk to

:11:29. > :11:32.voters in the next few minutes about what they want from MPs, who

:11:33. > :11:36.returned to work today, who returned to the Commons after that election.

:11:37. > :11:40.So much as happened in the last few days, hasn't it? But they are going

:11:41. > :11:44.to draw up a sort of manifesto of what they would like from MPs as

:11:45. > :11:49.they come back to work, get in touch with your own views. OK, let's bring

:11:50. > :11:51.you a bit of sport. And British bobsleigh is the latest

:11:52. > :11:54.sport to have its coaches come under scrutiny.

:11:55. > :11:57.What's been going on? Yes, a senior coach working

:11:58. > :11:59.with the country's Olympic bobsleigh And there have been a number

:12:00. > :12:04.of complaints over a "toxic Earlier this year, a host

:12:05. > :12:10.of athletes wrote anonymously to the chief executive

:12:11. > :12:14.of the sport's governing to share concerns over

:12:15. > :12:17.the behaviour of key performance One athlete alleged they had

:12:18. > :12:21.experienced racism several times from a senior coach,

:12:22. > :12:24.and that the coach referred to black people as lazy and had "a blatant

:12:25. > :12:35.dislike towards people of colour". in favour of Caucasian males

:12:36. > :12:38.on the performance programme and a racial stigma

:12:39. > :12:41.against black drivers. Another complainant said,

:12:42. > :12:44."sexist comments are regular, there have been claims of racist

:12:45. > :12:46.remarks which all get ignored, athletes are literally terrified

:12:47. > :12:51.of putting a foot wrong," and there was "dictatorship

:12:52. > :12:52.within the management". Despite this, just a month later,

:12:53. > :13:05.the people complaining were told no British bobsleigh.

:13:06. > :13:08.And Theresa May might a chance to go to the football tonight?

:13:09. > :13:12.Yes, Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron will be at the Stade de France in

:13:13. > :13:16.Paris, I imagine they will get time to talk politics, but quite a

:13:17. > :13:20.significant fixture - just a friendly between England and France,

:13:21. > :13:23.but the significance is that French fans have been as to sing God Save

:13:24. > :13:28.The Queen in solidarity with Britain after the terror attacks in

:13:29. > :13:32.Manchester and London. The tribute echoes a couple of years ago when

:13:33. > :13:35.British fans, English fans at Wembley were asked to sing La

:13:36. > :13:41.Marseillaise alongside the French fans, just four days after those

:13:42. > :13:46.atrocities in Paris, so it kind of return fixture, if you like, four

:13:47. > :13:50.French fans at the Stade de France. This were being's last game of the

:13:51. > :13:53.season, just a friendly against France, kick-off is at a de-clutter

:13:54. > :13:58.night. And England's younger football is

:13:59. > :14:03.back with their World Cup. Yes, they flew back late last night

:14:04. > :14:07.from South Korea, the first World Cup win since 1966, this is them

:14:08. > :14:10.arriving back, manager Mark Simpson said it was too soon to claim they

:14:11. > :14:17.are the next generation of golden players. Gareth Southgate has said

:14:18. > :14:19.it is to over the clubs to nurture this young talent, and it will be

:14:20. > :14:24.interesting to see what happens to them next, because a lot of these

:14:25. > :14:28.players you may not have heard of, but they are signed to big clubs,

:14:29. > :14:32.and I think Gareth Southgate means that they all need a regular

:14:33. > :14:36.first-team pitch time with their clubs so that they continue to

:14:37. > :14:40.develop and improve, improve future England squads. And the worry is

:14:41. > :14:44.that, in chasing success, clubs will spend a lot of money on expensive

:14:45. > :14:47.foreign players, and that this home-grown, World Cup winning talent

:14:48. > :14:53.will spend much of next season on the bench.

:14:54. > :14:57.Thank you very much, Katherine, more from her during the morning. It is

:14:58. > :15:00.nearly quarter past nine this Tuesday morning, and the most

:15:01. > :15:04.powerful woman in Britain meet the Prime Minister in Downing Street

:15:05. > :15:07.today. A little bit of laughter from our voters!

:15:08. > :15:09.Arlene Foster of the Democratic Unionist Party, a small political

:15:10. > :15:11.party from Northern Ireland with just ten MPs,

:15:12. > :15:14.arrives to see what Theresa May can offer her in exchange

:15:15. > :15:17.for the DUP's support because Theresa May's Conservatives

:15:18. > :15:20.didn't win a majority in the last week's election,

:15:21. > :15:23.Mrs May needs those ten DUP MPs to stay on in government.

:15:24. > :15:25.Let's speak now to the former Conservative party leader and former

:15:26. > :15:32.Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith.

:15:33. > :15:40.Good morning. Do you feel any kind of affinity with the DUP? Can I say

:15:41. > :15:49.one thing, the football match with France. I was at the England match

:15:50. > :15:57.and I think it is wholly fitting and when I met French people they were

:15:58. > :16:00.very moved that the fans had sung the French anthem. My question was

:16:01. > :16:05.do you feel any kind of affinity with the DUP? Well, in the sense

:16:06. > :16:11.that the Conservative Party is the majority party, but hasn't got a

:16:12. > :16:15.overall majority. The DUP, it seems, appear, and are keen to let the

:16:16. > :16:18.Conservative Party govern and as a result of that Theresa May has to

:16:19. > :16:21.have a discussion with them. I think what you will find it is not about

:16:22. > :16:24.having an affinity, it is about what on balance are the things that they

:16:25. > :16:28.most want, the Conservatives to be in Government for and it's clear

:16:29. > :16:31.that the kind of arrangement I expect we'll end up with will be

:16:32. > :16:34.what they call a supply and confidence. That's to say on votes

:16:35. > :16:37.of confidence they will support us. On things like the Queen's Speech,

:16:38. > :16:42.they'll support us. On things like the Budget they will support us, but

:16:43. > :16:45.they will keep their own counsel on other things and they may not

:16:46. > :16:49.support us on other things, but the key areas where the votes are

:16:50. > :16:52.important, they by and large will back us. But it won't be a

:16:53. > :16:56.coalition, it will be a confidence and supply agreement. As long as

:16:57. > :17:01.they do back you on those big votes, it's OK with you, is it, that some

:17:02. > :17:06.of their MPs are repulsed by gay people, don't believe in same-sex

:17:07. > :17:10.marriage and don't believe in climate change and don't believe

:17:11. > :17:15.women who have been raped should have adorations? A large number of

:17:16. > :17:19.these issues are devolved issues, but it's not going to change

:17:20. > :17:21.anything. Theresa May made it clear on these areas where the

:17:22. > :17:25.Conservative Party is settled and clear, the DUP will have no

:17:26. > :17:29.influence over our views. We'll also anyway on those issues have a much

:17:30. > :17:33.broader consensual cross party arrangement so we wouldn't need the

:17:34. > :17:37.DUP on those issues, you know, I voted for gay marriage. I'm not

:17:38. > :17:41.going toe trenching on that one is nor is the Conservative Party. This

:17:42. > :17:45.will be an agreement, it is not about what their beliefs are, it is

:17:46. > :17:48.about key areas of Government where they believe the Conservative Party

:17:49. > :17:51.needs to deliver to keep the country stable and that's it. Will voters

:17:52. > :17:55.get to see the terms of this deal? I don't think they will be that

:17:56. > :17:58.complex, but I'm sure they will be clear and open. I would certainly

:17:59. > :18:02.want them to be that because it's clear that understand that what we

:18:03. > :18:05.won't have got involved in is any complex arrangement. Now, there is,

:18:06. > :18:08.and going to be issues around investment in Northern Ireland, but

:18:09. > :18:13.those are issues anyway that would have to be tackled as this is an

:18:14. > :18:15.area that is of very high priority to restabilise after the troubles

:18:16. > :18:19.and to make sure that the people there get good work and jobs and

:18:20. > :18:24.getting businesses there. That sort of stuff is just something that was

:18:25. > :18:29.in the plans. It is worth bearing in mind that as I understand Gordon

:18:30. > :18:33.Brown was busy trying to do deal with them in 2010 as well. So these

:18:34. > :18:38.kind of mathematical things are part of Parliament. And it seems that the

:18:39. > :18:44.political price to pay for doing that deal from a Conservative point

:18:45. > :18:46.of view, it will mean an end to austerity which some Conservative

:18:47. > :18:50.backbenchers will welcome because the DUP don't support your measures

:18:51. > :18:54.on austerity and Mrs May's and your vision of Brexit will have to go?

:18:55. > :18:57.Well, let's deal with the austerity thing. Look, there were lots and

:18:58. > :19:02.lots of issues and many of us, remember I resigned over a year ago

:19:03. > :19:07.because I disagreed with George Osborne's direction of tral and I

:19:08. > :19:13.have asked us to re-think whole areas of where we are. The length of

:19:14. > :19:17.time that we are asking public servants and others to put up with

:19:18. > :19:21.reduced flattened salaries has been an issue for me and many other

:19:22. > :19:23.people and we would like to see that revisited. This isn't just an issue

:19:24. > :19:27.to do with the DUP. What the election told us the election was

:19:28. > :19:31.too early and we should have had time to resolve those issues, but,

:19:32. > :19:34.on one side, there is a genuine discussion about that and I think

:19:35. > :19:38.there are key issues around education and stuff that we need to

:19:39. > :19:41.resolve. On the side of the Brexit side, actually the DUP are very

:19:42. > :19:45.clear that they support Theresa May's original position which is no,

:19:46. > :19:49.thet want control of the bofrders, money and laws. There will be no

:19:50. > :19:55.entry into the single market and they're keen not to be in the

:19:56. > :20:00.customs union. But they are opposed to her mantra of no deal is better

:20:01. > :20:07.than a bad deal. They're not actually opposed that. I promise you

:20:08. > :20:09.that this will become clear the DUP supports what her position is at

:20:10. > :20:12.time of the election and the majority of the Conservative Party

:20:13. > :20:23.believes this is a settled issue. So any idea... Well Ruth Davidson

:20:24. > :20:26.doesn't. Not every single MP from Scotland necessarily follows her

:20:27. > :20:30.line. The point is the party overall is settled. What we want, obviously

:20:31. > :20:34.is to engage and discuss these matters with people, but in essence

:20:35. > :20:37.those negotiations are due to start very, very shortly, ie next week and

:20:38. > :20:41.the can Conservative Government needs to get on and make sure that

:20:42. > :20:45.they now start talking to our European allies and friends about

:20:46. > :20:48.how we arrange to have the benefits as the Labour Party stood on the

:20:49. > :20:52.same manifesto, they stood on a manifesto which said no to the

:20:53. > :20:55.single market. No to customs union and control of our borders. So the

:20:56. > :20:59.majority of the British people had in front of them two parties that

:21:00. > :21:03.constituted the majority of the votes that stood on very similar

:21:04. > :21:09.manifestoes on Brexit. But it's not settled, is it? You must acknowledge

:21:10. > :21:13.from the lack of a majority and bass of people like Ruth Davidson,

:21:14. > :21:16.perhaps you think she's flexing her muscles too much, the question of

:21:17. > :21:21.your Brexit vision has been reopened whether you like it or not? I'm not

:21:22. > :21:26.overly bothered about that. The truth is we're going into

:21:27. > :21:30.negotiations and in negotiations different elements will cold out I

:21:31. > :21:34.think that the Conservative Party, people in Cabinet, who may well seem

:21:35. > :21:37.to think that they're going to start reopening this, the answer is I

:21:38. > :21:41.wouldn't try and re-open this before you start the negotiations because

:21:42. > :21:44.all you'll get is what we don't want is another argument and row going on

:21:45. > :21:49.in the governing party. What we need, we had a settled position. We

:21:50. > :21:53.had agreed that position before we went into the last election. The

:21:54. > :21:57.Labour Party to save their votes in those areas where there were strong

:21:58. > :22:01.Leavers who voted Labour in the past they adopted almost exactly the same

:22:02. > :22:05.position, you heard John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn saying in terms

:22:06. > :22:08.over the weekend we will not be in the single market. They do not

:22:09. > :22:12.intend to be in the customs union, but they want the benefits of having

:22:13. > :22:14.a good trade deal and good arrangements for access and that's

:22:15. > :22:20.what the Conservative negotiators want. So in a sense, what you've got

:22:21. > :22:24.is a minority of people who just trying to prise this open again, it

:22:25. > :22:29.shouldn't be opened and we should just get on with it and try and get

:22:30. > :22:31.the best deal we can which helps preserve jobs and get good trade

:22:32. > :22:35.deals. Iain Duncan Smith. Iain Duncan Smith will join hundreds

:22:36. > :22:38.of other MPs as they return to Parliament for the first time

:22:39. > :22:40.since the election on Thursday, an election which not only produced

:22:41. > :22:43.a result which virtually no one was expecting,

:22:44. > :22:46.but also showed yet more evidence of a country which is divided,

:22:47. > :22:49.with many who feel let down by traditional politics

:22:50. > :22:50.and politicians, and who aren't happy with the way

:22:51. > :22:52.many conduct themselves. So what lessons can be learned

:22:53. > :22:55.from the campaign, and what does it tell us about how the country

:22:56. > :22:58.wants our politicians to behave? We've brought together a group

:22:59. > :23:01.of voters here in the studio to chew the fat with two new MPs and two

:23:02. > :23:05.with just a little more experience. And we're going to try and draw

:23:06. > :23:07.up our audience manifesto or code of conduct for how

:23:08. > :23:10.they want our politicians Bambos Charalambous

:23:11. > :23:18.is the new Labour MP Christine Jardine, the new Lib Dem

:23:19. > :23:27.MP for Edinburgh West. John Baron, Conservative MP for

:23:28. > :23:29.Basildon and Billericay since 2001. Ben Bradshaw, the Labour MP

:23:30. > :23:39.in Exeter since 1997. I can barely remember that year!

:23:40. > :23:45.Welcome everybody. We've got voters as well. Let me ask, not the

:23:46. > :23:51.politicians, our voters first of all. What word would you use to

:23:52. > :24:08.describe politicians right now? Shady. Disindisingeneralous.

:24:09. > :24:09.Dishonest. I'll come back with one word!

:24:10. > :24:17.LAUGHTER I have more than one word. No, give

:24:18. > :24:22.me a some if you can't contain it to one. In need of one. Yeah, I

:24:23. > :24:25.strongly believe they're divided. You can see that throughout their

:24:26. > :24:27.parties, not just in the Conservative Party, but also in the

:24:28. > :24:33.Labour Party. Too divided. What about you? I would say unavailable.

:24:34. > :24:37.Unavailable definitely. Meaning, what you can't get access to them?

:24:38. > :24:49.They don't come across that way. They come across from a come across

:24:50. > :24:54.as if they're from a completely different world. How do you react to

:24:55. > :24:57.those adjectives? I think it's understandable that people would

:24:58. > :25:00.think that way after some of the things that happened in British

:25:01. > :25:07.politics over the past few years. I'm not at all surprised. I think we

:25:08. > :25:11.have to work to reassure people that we're not all duplicitous or shady

:25:12. > :25:15.and try to be more united in the way that we look at things? I think we

:25:16. > :25:20.need to regain the trust of the public. Easier said than done? It is

:25:21. > :25:23.hard, but you get a and great opportunity as a new MP to build

:25:24. > :25:26.that trust with your electorate. We need to go out there and make sure

:25:27. > :25:31.we are listening to people and that we are truly representing them. Ben

:25:32. > :25:35.Bradshaw, you have been an MP for a long time. You will have heard these

:25:36. > :25:39.adjectives before, is it disheartening that people are still

:25:40. > :25:43.saying this? It is a bit. I won a Tory seat in 1997, I have a 16,000

:25:44. > :25:48.majority, I haven't achieved that by not being available and your advice

:25:49. > :25:53.to the new MPs and to long-standing MPs was the right one. Make yourself

:25:54. > :25:57.available. Jo Cox was a fantastic role model about what an MP could be

:25:58. > :26:00.like and should be like. She made herself very available and lost her

:26:01. > :26:07.life for doing that and certainly it's a model that good MPs and the

:26:08. > :26:11.vast majority of MPs are in this because they want to serve their

:26:12. > :26:16.constituents and their country. The vast majority of MPs go into

:26:17. > :26:18.politics for the right reason because the concept of public

:26:19. > :26:23.service, they want to serve the public. And I think the vast

:26:24. > :26:27.majority do a decent job at that, but there is this disconnect which

:26:28. > :26:30.we need to try and repair and mend and all I would say is look at your

:26:31. > :26:33.own individual MP because what is interesting in this debate is when

:26:34. > :26:36.you talk to constituents, you get a different view of their local MP

:26:37. > :26:40.than you do of the concept generally. The nature of this

:26:41. > :26:44.conversation, it is broadly generalised, you appreciate that,

:26:45. > :26:49.but Mel, you will have heard politicians say look, we are in it

:26:50. > :26:52.for the right motive, so why do you still have such a bad feeling about

:26:53. > :26:58.them, that their reputation is so poor? Well, I don't have a totally

:26:59. > :27:01.bad feeling, but I think there is not enough leadership coming from

:27:02. > :27:05.politicians. When we face Brexit, we will need more than political

:27:06. > :27:09.management. We need people who can articulate a political vision and

:27:10. > :27:12.who can answer the question of what sort of nation do we want to be?

:27:13. > :27:16.Instead we get politicians who are concerned or seemingly only with the

:27:17. > :27:18.next five year election cycle, so I think we need to do better on

:27:19. > :27:24.leadership. That's a very, very good point. I think one of the things we

:27:25. > :27:31.need to do more is set out why we want a good deal. The prospect of

:27:32. > :27:33.opportunity that's there and paint reasons for actually negotiating

:27:34. > :27:37.that good deal and being positive and I think that's one thing perhaps

:27:38. > :27:41.we take away as Conservatives from the general election is that we

:27:42. > :27:45.didn't perhaps talk enough about sunnier uplands, the positive

:27:46. > :27:49.reasons for voting and what sort of country we want to live in and there

:27:50. > :27:54.is a lot to be said. David? I don't know, I just get the feeling that

:27:55. > :27:58.Brexit and the recent elections has really exposed politicians to the

:27:59. > :28:02.public about, you know, this is all just grabbing power, you know look

:28:03. > :28:05.at the DUP and people doing deals with each other and it's very dirty.

:28:06. > :28:08.A lot of the time I feel that politicians, I did a lot of

:28:09. > :28:11.campaigning over the years and a lot of time I find that it's difficult

:28:12. > :28:15.to get politicians support for certain things that we know we need

:28:16. > :28:18.to happen in society and I think they need to be working together

:28:19. > :28:24.across parties, especially when it comes to Brexit because both parties

:28:25. > :28:29.are not really obviously... That's going to have to happen now. There

:28:30. > :28:33.is no alternative. Theresa May's destructive hard Brexit is dead.

:28:34. > :28:38.It's over. Everything has changed. We have got to work across party and

:28:39. > :28:42.that's what the public are asking us to do by delivering this election

:28:43. > :28:47.result. I agree and we have ant opportunity to have a much more open

:28:48. > :28:49.approach to Brexit and I was disappointed in what Iain Duncan

:28:50. > :28:54.Smith said because he seemed to take the opposite approach which was the

:28:55. > :28:57.argument is closed. Well, I would argue that the actual election

:28:58. > :29:01.result shows that the argument is not closed. That people rejected

:29:02. > :29:06.Theresa May's very hard Brexit approach and they want a more open

:29:07. > :29:11.approach with as Ben says other ideas coming in, talk across the

:29:12. > :29:17.parties. Gather support from a much broader approach. In Parliamentary

:29:18. > :29:20.practicalities there will have to be Parliamentary consensus because

:29:21. > :29:25.things will get voted down and no progress will be made? Yes, there

:29:26. > :29:30.are discussions going on about how we can rescue our country from this

:29:31. > :29:36.disastrous destructive Brexit which Theresa May set her mind on for no

:29:37. > :29:40.apparent reason. She interpreted the referendum in a particular way which

:29:41. > :29:44.the public rejected. Having been a Remainor herself. Taking it slightly

:29:45. > :29:50.back from Brexit because we could actually be talking Brexit the whole

:29:51. > :29:54.of this time. I said I wanted politicians to recognise that it was

:29:55. > :29:58.a privilege and my comment actually came, it wasn't what I was going to

:29:59. > :30:03.say originally, it came from an interview with the chair of the

:30:04. > :30:07.backbench 1922 committee last night on the news where he said and I'm

:30:08. > :30:13.not quoting verbatim, but he said something on the lines of there are

:30:14. > :30:17.lessons to be learnt the soundbite that has more bite than vibe, one of

:30:18. > :30:20.the things we're going to have to think about is why so many people,

:30:21. > :30:25.some of them must be intelligent, voted Labour!

:30:26. > :30:31.And I just, you know, my hands just went like this. You found that

:30:32. > :30:36.rather patronising. I found that patronising and I found that rude.

:30:37. > :30:39.People, however much integrity you have, you've got to watch your

:30:40. > :30:45.tongues and what you say because we pay your wages.

:30:46. > :30:51.If you could deliver a demand to politicians going back to work

:30:52. > :30:56.today, what do you want from them? I want to feel as the viewer doing the

:30:57. > :30:59.job you are supposed to be doing, representing me, representing my

:31:00. > :31:04.neighbours, and all my friends and all my family and all the people I

:31:05. > :31:09.am ever going to know, you are representing us, so I have to have

:31:10. > :31:13.some affinity with you, and even if we do come from different

:31:14. > :31:18.backgrounds, I have to feel confident that you are representing

:31:19. > :31:22.me - not... I don't want to feel as though you are from a completely

:31:23. > :31:25.different world, I don't get what you are saying, I don't understand

:31:26. > :31:32.what you're saying, how does that affect me, literally, that is what

:31:33. > :31:39.we want to know. The UK referendum is a classic example of the MPs

:31:40. > :31:43.ignoring the population. How do you work that out? Because they try to

:31:44. > :31:47.turn it into a political battle, when in fact it was a vote by the

:31:48. > :31:52.population to decide how they wanted the country to go forward in the

:31:53. > :31:56.future. And what we should be doing now, because the Europeans are our

:31:57. > :32:02.friends, what we should be doing now is forming a commission comprised of

:32:03. > :32:06.both parties, all parties in Parliament, and members of the

:32:07. > :32:11.public, so that they can all go together and negotiate with our

:32:12. > :32:19.friends in Europe. OK. And that way we will see more honest and genuine.

:32:20. > :32:23.One, John. Just briefly, part of the unfortunate thing of just watching

:32:24. > :32:27.PMQs is that there is too much of a risk of seeing politics through the

:32:28. > :32:32.prism of PMQs. What I would like to say is that there is much more

:32:33. > :32:37.co-operation across the parties than is generally realised. For example,

:32:38. > :32:40.I am chair of the all-party Parliamentary group on cancer, which

:32:41. > :32:43.brings politicians from across the political divide together,

:32:44. > :32:47.questioning the Government of the day, whatever their colour. So there

:32:48. > :32:54.is more co-operation than people realise. So why play those

:32:55. > :32:59.particular roles during PMQs? Some of us do not shout... Plenty of your

:33:00. > :33:03.colleagues do. Governments have to be brought to account, and you have

:33:04. > :33:06.to ask difficult questions, and you get direct answers back. But the

:33:07. > :33:10.bottom line is we should remember there is a lot of co-operation, and

:33:11. > :33:13.there needs to be, and I think people are right in the sense that

:33:14. > :33:17.when it comes to Brexit, we are going to have to carry people with

:33:18. > :33:24.us on this issue. I have never understood what the difference was

:33:25. > :33:29.the between hard and soft Brexit, it is a question of getting the best

:33:30. > :33:31.possible deal, and there seems to be an enormous amount of conformity

:33:32. > :33:37.between Labour on the Conservatives with regards to what we want from

:33:38. > :33:41.the EU negotiations. OK. You do see the parties coming together. We are

:33:42. > :33:48.not having the Brexit conversation again! So what are our top three or

:33:49. > :33:54.top five? Put them in order, what do you reckon? Integrity, definitely.

:33:55. > :34:07.So including honesty in that. Transparency, that sort of thing.

:34:08. > :34:13.Passion with respect. Is that number two, is that as high up as it should

:34:14. > :34:18.be? Theresa May sounded like a robot during her campaign... What else, as

:34:19. > :34:24.well as integrity? What else is important? Empathy is a big one, the

:34:25. > :34:33.ability to put yourself in another person's shoes, a boss will tell

:34:34. > :34:39.someone what to do, a leader will show them. MPs need to be leading in

:34:40. > :34:45.compassion, forgiveness, respect, in showing people those values. So how

:34:46. > :34:52.shall we describe that, affinity, empathy? Yeah? Well, I am really

:34:53. > :34:56.interested that is number two, that says a lot, particularly perhaps

:34:57. > :35:03.because of recent weeks. What else are we going for? Clarity. You

:35:04. > :35:06.asking a lot of there, Sharon! Clarity? You mean you don't

:35:07. > :35:18.understand the phrase Brexit means Brexit? I don't understand a word

:35:19. > :35:27.they say! If someone asks me a question, I want the answer, not the

:35:28. > :35:39.same mantra over and over again? Of clarity and directness when they go

:35:40. > :35:44.to press conferences, they know what they are going to say, regardless of

:35:45. > :35:48.the question. We have two experienced politicians and two new

:35:49. > :35:54.politicians, why is it so hard to answer questions directly? If I and

:35:55. > :36:01.so directly, it means a damning headline, is that what is going on?

:36:02. > :36:04.-- if I answer directly. I try to answer directly, I am sure

:36:05. > :36:09.colleagues here do as well, and there is a danger you generalise

:36:10. > :36:16.across all MPs. You have made that point. We decide to do this job as

:36:17. > :36:20.best we can. I have a reputation for speaking my mind, but there is a

:36:21. > :36:23.difference between being in government and in opposition, I am

:36:24. > :36:29.much more free as an opposition backbencher to say whatever I like!

:36:30. > :36:33.Isn't that the problem with party politics? You have to toe the party

:36:34. > :36:37.line, I would love to be in politics, but I could not do that.

:36:38. > :36:41.It is like being in a club, if you come to an agreement in the

:36:42. > :36:44.organisation, you stick to it. If you are going to have a united

:36:45. > :36:48.organisational club, you have to stick to the line. There are ways of

:36:49. > :36:54.answering questions which sounded less evasive than some ministers do

:36:55. > :36:57.it, and you can think of your most and least favourite politicians for

:36:58. > :37:00.and swing questions, but there is a different with collective

:37:01. > :37:06.responsibility and having that freedom. So clarity and directness?

:37:07. > :37:11.Directness and clarity? Any preference? No? Excuse my writing.

:37:12. > :37:19.Clarity and directness... Right, is that it? No, I think four has to be

:37:20. > :37:26.humility, I would put it much higher up. OK, humility. There is such a

:37:27. > :37:30.peeling of we are up here, you are down there, and as you said in your

:37:31. > :37:38.intro, we pay your wages, you are only there because we put an X in

:37:39. > :37:45.the box, so recognised us. Yeah? Are we happy with our top four? What is

:37:46. > :37:56.wrong with passengers I love a bit of passion, believe me! Make its

:37:57. > :38:08.number five! OK, passion! OK... Passion. Sorry! Right, MPs, your

:38:09. > :38:13.reaction? I 100% agree with that, I think humility, the area eyelid in I

:38:14. > :38:21.represent, someone I get the train in the morning, people speak to me.

:38:22. > :38:24.-- the area I live in, I represent. So to be accountable, you have to

:38:25. > :38:29.respect other people, they put their trust in me, I have to respect that.

:38:30. > :38:34.Christian, what about you as a new MP? Formerly a special adviser, you

:38:35. > :38:40.have been around a bit. I don't mean that in the way... You know what I

:38:41. > :38:43.mean, you are experienced! I think those points are all be enough, and

:38:44. > :38:49.one of the problem is that politicians have is that somehow

:38:50. > :38:53.they have managed as a group, not individuals, to portray this image

:38:54. > :38:56.to the public that we don't have personal lives, we don't have

:38:57. > :39:02.families, that we don't actually worry about paying the mortgage

:39:03. > :39:06.ourselves. And I think we need to be more open about the fact that we

:39:07. > :39:21.have lives you are normal people, Shaka! Shark horror! I had personal

:39:22. > :39:26.issues during the campaign, a bereavement, and we got a lot of

:39:27. > :39:29.support. People see you in PMQs, arguing and fighting, and forget

:39:30. > :39:35.that we colleagues and we'll have the same problems. That happened

:39:36. > :39:40.with Jo Cox, to see the whole House come together, they realised she was

:39:41. > :39:46.a really good MP. And beyond that, as the people we represent, I think

:39:47. > :39:51.we are very bad at being open and speaking clearly and honestly about

:39:52. > :39:58.our lives. All right. Are you two happy to sign up to this list? I am

:39:59. > :40:02.sure you already exhibit some of those characteristics! I think, for

:40:03. > :40:07.me, absolutely. One that is missing if I can dare give advice to our new

:40:08. > :40:10.colleagues who have won marginal seats from another party, very hard

:40:11. > :40:17.work - you need to put the hard work in. I agree with all of those,

:40:18. > :40:21.integrity, empathy is very important, we always have to design

:40:22. > :40:25.our policies as best we can to help those more vulnerable at the bottom

:40:26. > :40:29.end of the pay scale and all the rest of it, and employed, one nation

:40:30. > :40:34.politics, if you like, whichever side of the House. But humility is

:40:35. > :40:40.very important. We have, number four. I'm just addressing the list,

:40:41. > :40:43.because it is important that MPs, politics says, we are going to

:40:44. > :40:47.listen, we might have got this wrong, we are going to think about

:40:48. > :40:51.it again. That is carrying people along. I will make a deal with you,

:40:52. > :40:55.Victoria, if we do more of that, the immediate needs to be more tolerant

:40:56. > :41:02.when it comes to accusing us of not knowing where we are going. That is

:41:03. > :41:08.there point, but there are U-turns and there are U-turns! -- a fair

:41:09. > :41:13.point. But you are generalising across the media, as we have been

:41:14. > :41:17.generalising, so right back at you! Very last word. It might sound odd

:41:18. > :41:20.from a Liberal Democrat, but one of the things that had most impact on a

:41:21. > :41:25.generation, helping the Labour Party, the night before he died,

:41:26. > :41:28.John Smith talked about how the Labour Party were asking for the

:41:29. > :41:33.opportunity to serve, and more politicians need to take that sort

:41:34. > :41:39.of approach. It is, as Carol said, about service. Excellent point, I am

:41:40. > :41:42.defending colleagues here - the vast majority, we must member, go for the

:41:43. > :41:46.right reason, and they believe in public service. What message would

:41:47. > :41:51.you give to those who are not following those values? You are

:41:52. > :41:55.saying the right things but the reality is... There is no room for

:41:56. > :42:00.you in politics, and by and large they do get found out on both sides

:42:01. > :42:05.of the House. We are going to ask the MPs to sign up to your code of

:42:06. > :42:08.conduct, if that is right, and if you come across colleagues today, if

:42:09. > :42:12.you wouldn't mind mentioning it, it would be useful. Thank you very much

:42:13. > :42:16.for coming on the programme, we appreciate it. We mentioned Jo Cox a

:42:17. > :42:18.couple of times, one of those politicians that most people think

:42:19. > :42:23.stuck by that code of conduct. On 16th June last year,

:42:24. > :42:26.the Labour MP was murdered outside her constituency

:42:27. > :42:27.in Birstall, Yorkshire. It was a crime that horrified

:42:28. > :42:30.the country but united people In the days, weeks and months

:42:31. > :42:35.that followed, Jo Cox's friends and family pledged

:42:36. > :42:37.to continue her legacy, rather than let it be

:42:38. > :42:39.overshadowed by what happened. In the run-up to the first

:42:40. > :42:42.anniversary of her death, her sister Kim Leadbeater

:42:43. > :42:44.and her family have invited our reporter Catherine Burns

:42:45. > :42:47.to their home for the first time to share their private

:42:48. > :42:56.memories of Jo. We'll never be fully repaired,

:42:57. > :42:59.if you like, because there's always

:43:00. > :43:06.a piece of us missing. I think there must be a difference

:43:07. > :43:10.between denial and disbelief. And Jo's children have got so much

:43:11. > :43:20.of her and Brendan in them. That's a great legacy,

:43:21. > :43:30.I mean, we love that. When I have the darkest

:43:31. > :43:34.and the difficult moments, I just think, right,

:43:35. > :43:40.she would not want you to lose it. to the anger and to

:43:41. > :43:47.the upset and to the hatred. Yes, this is the wonderful

:43:48. > :44:00.town of Batley. She wanted to be at the heart

:44:01. > :44:04.of the constituency, and this is where she decided

:44:05. > :44:08.to base herself. there's still the Jo Cox MP

:44:09. > :44:13.sign on the door. Yes, yes, it's hard

:44:14. > :44:15.to know what to do Is it worse to have it there or

:44:16. > :44:27.better to have it there, you know? I keep saying to myself,

:44:28. > :44:30.if I get through to the end of July with my health

:44:31. > :44:33.and my sanity, I've done well. And then I really don't

:44:34. > :44:36.know what comes after that. because that normal life

:44:37. > :44:40.doesn't exist, you know. Kim Leadbeater

:44:41. > :44:46.has spent this year trying to build a legacy

:44:47. > :44:51.for her sister, Jo Cox. I still miss the sound

:44:52. > :44:55.of her coming down the drive. Her parents have

:44:56. > :44:59.generally avoided the limelight, This is their first interview

:45:00. > :45:06.on national TV. What were you doing

:45:07. > :45:08.when you got that call? We'd just sat down

:45:09. > :45:10.about five minutes, And he just said, "Jo's

:45:11. > :45:23.been shot, I think." And we jumped in the car,

:45:24. > :45:32.I remember I was jumping in the car, I don't know how

:45:33. > :45:40.we managed to get there. People are shot and

:45:41. > :45:55.recover, etc, etc. But you see these things

:45:56. > :46:09.on the television where the doctor, in this

:46:10. > :46:12.case it was a police inspector, comes into the room

:46:13. > :46:16.and he has to tell you. In fact, he doesn't

:46:17. > :46:19.have to tell you. You can see by his

:46:20. > :46:26.expression. And he said, "I'm sorry to say

:46:27. > :46:28.she didn't make it". I think that the difficult

:46:29. > :46:30.thing, it's the That's very, very

:46:31. > :46:38.difficult to understand. And it's about creating a new level

:46:39. > :46:41.of normality for us as a family. One of the things that Kim

:46:42. > :46:44.said afterwards was, "Our family is broken now

:46:45. > :46:47.but we will mend over time". We will always be broken,

:46:48. > :46:52.because there's a piece missing. But, yeah, I think to the outside

:46:53. > :46:57.world we do appear strong. But there's a lot of days

:46:58. > :47:04.when the bad is bad. The long times for us

:47:05. > :47:08.are when we turn the television on and see terrorist acts -

:47:09. > :47:13.Westminster Bridge, Manchester - because that's when it

:47:14. > :47:20.brings everything back. For me, the ambulances,

:47:21. > :47:22.the sirens, I'm back But we still think

:47:23. > :47:31.about the people who have lost loved ones, and we know

:47:32. > :47:34.what they are actually just It must be awful for them.

:47:35. > :47:40.We know what we went through. And unfortunately

:47:41. > :47:46.they don't, as yet. Going forward, build

:47:47. > :47:50.on the children, the grandchildren. Because you're right,

:47:51. > :47:59.it won't go away. And Jo's children have got so much

:48:00. > :48:14.of her and Brendan in them. That's a great legacy

:48:15. > :48:16.and we love that. Jo, she loved them to bits,

:48:17. > :48:18.absolutely loved them. And that's the most

:48:19. > :48:20.upsetting thing, from my It was, for you especially,

:48:21. > :48:31.after Jo was murdered, Lejla and Cuillin came up, and you found it

:48:32. > :48:34.really difficult, didn't you? Obviously this year you've

:48:35. > :48:42.all been part of the But the public face of it

:48:43. > :48:47.has really been Kim. How do you feel about

:48:48. > :48:50.the work she's done? More than one person

:48:51. > :48:54.came up to me after the funeral, and after Kim talked

:48:55. > :48:59.in Birstall marketplace, and said, "You've got not one,

:49:00. > :49:06.but two marvellous daughters. One we saw, Jo, on occasions,

:49:07. > :49:09.on the television And, you know, we're very proud,

:49:10. > :49:19.because I can't separate So this is not what you'd

:49:20. > :49:27.expect your average But this was Jo, just

:49:28. > :49:32.very relaxed, very comfortable, and just embracing

:49:33. > :49:35.the situation she was in. That is absolutely

:49:36. > :49:40.stunning, isn't it? Yeah, that's the birthday

:49:41. > :49:44.karaoke with the Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson,

:49:45. > :49:48.I Know Him So Well, which was our party piece

:49:49. > :49:54.when we were kids. And it was re-enacted

:49:55. > :49:59.for my birthday last year. # I could have made

:50:00. > :50:12.it differently #. We were really close,

:50:13. > :50:16.like all growing up throughout childhood

:50:17. > :50:18.we were really, really close. There is two years age

:50:19. > :50:20.difference between us, and I am younger, although nobody

:50:21. > :50:23.believed it because Jo looked so We just had a really close

:50:24. > :50:27.relationship, and we never fell out. # But in the end he needs a lit more

:50:28. > :50:49.security. . # It wasn't about Jo Cox

:50:50. > :50:51.MP, it was actually Joanne Leadbeater,

:50:52. > :50:53.who was my sister. Literally sort of within days of Jo

:50:54. > :50:55.been killed, things just started to arrive, and the house

:50:56. > :50:59.was just full of flowers. And that was the classic,

:51:00. > :51:01.line, I never met your sister, but I just had to do

:51:02. > :51:05.something, I just had to say Me and mum and dad when we're out

:51:06. > :51:09.and about and stuff, we go to the supermarket, and we've met

:51:10. > :51:12.people, and they just end Maybe that has detracted

:51:13. > :51:19.from my personal grief, But it has certainly provided

:51:20. > :51:24.comfort and support. At the same time we saw that public

:51:25. > :51:26.outpouring of grief, this was your personal

:51:27. > :51:28.tragedy as well. How did you manage to

:51:29. > :51:30.balance those two things? And, you know, people who knew Jo

:51:31. > :51:39.through politics, people who And initially I found

:51:40. > :51:42.that a bit, hang She's my mum and dad's Jo,

:51:43. > :51:48.and she's Brendan's Jo, really. But then actually you

:51:49. > :51:51.think how lovely it is that so many people

:51:52. > :51:53.wanted her to be their Jo. So you can't possibly

:51:54. > :51:56.be cross about that. Has it hit yet that

:51:57. > :51:59.she isn't coming back? I know exactly

:52:00. > :52:02.what happened. I've got those facts,

:52:03. > :52:06.but I don't think I've got them on a deep emotional level yet, and that

:52:07. > :52:10.worries me, because when that happens it's difficult

:52:11. > :52:12.to know what will happen. I think there must be a difference

:52:13. > :52:19.between denial and disbelief. I've got closer than

:52:20. > :52:29.ever to mum and dad. Which again is heartbreaking

:52:30. > :52:31.at times, when you think, you know, I'm

:52:32. > :52:35.their only child now. And I have guilt associated

:52:36. > :52:40.with that as well, because when the phone rings and it

:52:41. > :52:42.would always be, "oh, it's Like that's, you know,

:52:43. > :52:46.that's gone forever now. It was supposed

:52:47. > :52:50.by Jo's birthday less Her husband, Brendan,

:52:51. > :52:54.spoke in London's We try to remember not how

:52:55. > :53:01.cruelly she has been taken from us, but how unbelievably

:53:02. > :53:03.lucky we were to have her And let me start by saying

:53:04. > :53:11.thank you to everybody My sister would want her murder

:53:12. > :53:27.to mobilise people, To try to make

:53:28. > :53:37.a positive difference. And that's exactly what Kim

:53:38. > :53:41.has spent the last 12 months doing, trying to create

:53:42. > :53:45.something positive from Jo's death. She's worked on causes close

:53:46. > :53:47.to her heart, everything from tackling loneliness to getting

:53:48. > :53:49.communities to But in many ways, she's

:53:50. > :53:56.put her own life on hold. So this is where you

:53:57. > :53:59.had your big speech? Yes, the big tribute to Jo.

:54:00. > :54:05.The big tribute on the 22nd of June. Because I'm a very private person,

:54:06. > :54:09.what I tend to be able to seem to do is just go into this mode

:54:10. > :54:13.of having a job to do and then doing it, and then the fallout

:54:14. > :54:16.for me is often when I get home. So I end up really

:54:17. > :54:18.drained, really tired, and that's when I tend

:54:19. > :54:20.to get more upset. You've spoken a lot today

:54:21. > :54:23.about sort of Jo's legacy, but there's also your life -

:54:24. > :54:26.you, Kim, and what's next for you. I don't know what I'll do,

:54:27. > :54:28.I don't what I'll do. But I think, you know,

:54:29. > :54:31.the platform that we've been given, for the worst possible reasons,

:54:32. > :54:34.my instinct is to try and create something positive

:54:35. > :54:37.out of that by using it in a good way, but I've no idea

:54:38. > :54:49.what shape that takes. We'll be talking to Jo

:54:50. > :55:01.Cox's husband, Brendan, And Kim, Jo's sister. These messages

:55:02. > :55:07.from you. Scott says, "This is a heartbreaking interview with Jo

:55:08. > :55:13.Cox's parents." Kirsty says, "I'm crying over Jo Cox's incredible

:55:14. > :55:21.parents." Kevin Cook tweets to say, "I'm 52 years of age today and I've

:55:22. > :55:27.done a run in memory of Jo Cox and sponsored an AFC Croydon football

:55:28. > :55:31.game in her memory." On our manifesto or code of conduct,

:55:32. > :55:34.whatever you'd like to call the rules that voters came up for

:55:35. > :55:39.politicians as they return to the House of Commons today after the

:55:40. > :55:43.general election, Mel says, "Integrity, honesty, humility. Your

:55:44. > :55:52.panel is spot on today. This is what we want from our politicians."

:55:53. > :55:55.The singer Katy Perry has apologised for "appropriating black and Asian

:55:56. > :55:59.In a recent interview, the singer admitted that she is guilty

:56:00. > :56:01.of cultural appropriation and benefits from what she

:56:02. > :56:06.She's been speaking to promote her latest album, witness .

:56:07. > :56:11.I've made several mistakes and having a hard conversation with one

:56:12. > :56:15.of my empowered angels about what does it mean? Can can't I wear my

:56:16. > :56:21.hair that way? What is the history behind wearing the hair that way?

:56:22. > :56:26.And she told me about the power in plaque women's hair and how

:56:27. > :56:30.beautiful it is and the struggle. And I listened and I heard and I

:56:31. > :56:34.didn't know and I will never understand some of those things

:56:35. > :56:37.because of who I am. I will never understand.

:56:38. > :56:39.BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat's music reporter Stve

:56:40. > :56:46.Just fill us in a little bit more about what she has been criticised

:56:47. > :56:50.for and why in the past? Katie Perry is a loud pop star. She is full of

:56:51. > :56:54.colour and costumes and that's what has got her into trouble in the

:56:55. > :57:03.past. Two specific occasions. A couple of years ago she sang a song

:57:04. > :57:08.called Unconditionally and she was accused of racism. Secondly, she did

:57:09. > :57:17.a music video called This Is How We Do. She was wearing corn rows and

:57:18. > :57:22.eating watermelon and criticised for appropriating black culture and both

:57:23. > :57:25.times she was criticised and she never really apologised and just

:57:26. > :57:33.said, "I didn't know what I was doing. I'm just a pop star. I I'm

:57:34. > :57:39.just loud." That's how she dealt with any criticism? So the last four

:57:40. > :57:43.days she spent her time in an apartment in America to promote this

:57:44. > :57:47.new album and she has been addressing lots of issues that she

:57:48. > :57:50.has been crit sided for in the past. This cultural appropriation issue is

:57:51. > :57:54.one specifically because in the past she said, "I didn't know I was doing

:57:55. > :57:59.anything wrong. It was up to my friends to tell me this is why you

:58:00. > :58:05.shouldn't be wearing corn rows because you're using black culture

:58:06. > :58:09.for your own gain." There are other issues that she has been dealing

:58:10. > :58:14.with. The feud with Taylor Swift which is the stuff of entertainment

:58:15. > :58:20.journalists, we love it. Sum it up in a line. Tell us why they have

:58:21. > :58:25.been feuding. Taylor Swift, Katie Perry took a couple of Taylor Swift

:58:26. > :58:32.dancers. Took them? From a tour. They were on tour and Katie Perry

:58:33. > :58:35.took them in the middle of Taylor Swift's tourment it is probably what

:58:36. > :58:41.teenage girls fight about and since then they have not spoken o an

:58:42. > :58:47.Friday Katie Perry released her new album and Taylor Swift had taken all

:58:48. > :58:53.of her music off Spotify and decided Taylor Swift that Friday was the

:58:54. > :58:58.best day to put her music on Spotify thereby taking the wind out of Katie

:58:59. > :59:05.Perry's sails and Katie Perry tried to Bury the hatchet with Taylor

:59:06. > :59:10.Swift and said we are both strong women in the music industry and she

:59:11. > :59:15.is a great songwriter, it feels clinical and cold. A bit like

:59:16. > :59:20.promoting your new album? Well, exactly. She spent four days talking

:59:21. > :59:25.about something that's getting her headlines. It is nice to her address

:59:26. > :59:29.it. Because in the past she almost stuck her head in the sand with it

:59:30. > :59:30.and finally she hit it head-on. Thank you very much, Steve. Steve,

:59:31. > :59:45.Holden. We have got sunshine. If you're

:59:46. > :59:51.living in the eastern and southern areas, you have got blue skies. That

:59:52. > :59:58.was the scene in Norfolk. For many of us, it is grey skies and a dreary

:59:59. > :00:02.start to the day in Shropshire. More rain towards Northern Ireland and

:00:03. > :00:05.into Scotland. The best of the sunshine is across eastern and

:00:06. > :00:09.southern parts of England and that's where temperatures will get up to 22

:00:10. > :00:13.or 23 Celsius, but even further north, 17 Celsius to 19 Celsius. A

:00:14. > :00:15.bit more rain will come into Northern Ireland and Scotland

:00:16. > :00:19.overnight, but elsewhere, it will be dry. There could be one or two

:00:20. > :00:22.patches of fog developing in the far southment but for Wednesday, it's

:00:23. > :00:25.going to get warmer for most of us. There will be some rain across

:00:26. > :00:30.Northern Ireland into Scotland as well. But for most of us, hazy

:00:31. > :00:33.sunshine, maximum temperatures 27 Celsius perhaps in the South East.

:00:34. > :00:37.Even in the far north and west despite the cloudier skies and rain,

:00:38. > :00:45.still here temperatures rather pleasant at 17 or 18 Celsius.

:00:46. > :00:47.it's ten o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:48. > :00:50.Our top story - will they reach a deal?

:00:51. > :00:52.Theresa May meets the Northern Irish DUP leader today, as they try

:00:53. > :00:55.and broker a deal to help the Prime Minister

:00:56. > :01:04.We will take a look at their anti-abortion stance and speak to

:01:05. > :01:06.those affected by the current legislation.

:01:07. > :01:07.And with Parliament reconvening this afternoon,

:01:08. > :01:10.we've been hearing from members of the public

:01:11. > :01:24.There is not enough leadership from politicians. I have to feel

:01:25. > :01:30.confident you are representing me. You have got to watch what you say,

:01:31. > :01:36.because we pay your wages. This is the code of conduct that you have

:01:37. > :01:44.drawn up, integrity, honesty, empathy, clarity and directness,

:01:45. > :01:49.humility passion! We will be asking all MPs to sign up to it.

:01:50. > :01:51.Also on the programme, almost a year since Labour MP

:01:52. > :01:53.Jo Cox was murdered her family speak about

:01:54. > :01:55.the hole that she's left, and the community reaction

:01:56. > :02:06.That was the classic line, I never met your sister, but I had to do

:02:07. > :02:10.something. My mum and dad, they have met people, they just end up crying,

:02:11. > :02:14.grown men absolutely devastated, and you end up comforting them. Maybe

:02:15. > :02:20.that has attracted from my personal grief, which will come eventually.

:02:21. > :02:23.That is Jo's sister Kim, we will talk to her and Jo's husband before

:02:24. > :02:28.11. Here's Joanna in the BBC newsroom

:02:29. > :02:31.with a summary of today's news. Theresa May will meet with the DUP

:02:32. > :02:34.leader, Arlene Foster, today to thrash out a deal that

:02:35. > :02:37.would see the party prop up With Brexit talks due to begin

:02:38. > :02:43.in less than a week, the EU's chief negotiator,

:02:44. > :02:45.Michel Barnier, has said Britain must not

:02:46. > :02:47.waste time. He's also urged the Government

:02:48. > :02:49.to appoint a negotiating team that is stable,

:02:50. > :02:54.accountable and with a mandate. The new Environment Secretary,

:02:55. > :02:55.Michael Gove, said he wasn't worried

:02:56. > :03:09.about the timetable. We have to make sure we have the

:03:10. > :03:13.right team in place, a Queen's Speech that outlines our sense of

:03:14. > :03:17.direction, and whether a day here there, that doesn't matter to me.

:03:18. > :03:20.What matters is making sure we have the right approach, and the Prime

:03:21. > :03:23.Minister has outlined the right approach. We need to make sure that

:03:24. > :03:28.we arrive at these talks in very good order, and one of the ways we

:03:29. > :03:31.can do so is by having the maximum amount of support for the strategy

:03:32. > :03:36.Theresa May has outlined, which is the right approach.

:03:37. > :03:38.Inflation unexpectedly jumped to its highest level

:03:39. > :03:41.Consumer prices increased by 2.9% compared with a year earlier.

:03:42. > :03:43.It's the biggest increase since June 2013,

:03:44. > :03:47.according to the Office for National Statistics.

:03:48. > :03:53.It said one of the main reasons for the rise was the cost of foreign

:03:54. > :03:55.package holidays for British tourists.

:03:56. > :03:58.In Germany, a policewoman has been seriously wounded

:03:59. > :04:01.after shots were fired at a railway station near Munich.

:04:02. > :04:03.It's understood she was injured when a man grabbed her gun.

:04:04. > :04:06.Police say the man has now been arrested,

:04:07. > :04:11.and that it was not a terrorist incident.

:04:12. > :04:14.has told this programme that it is quitting

:04:15. > :04:17.the Government's Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse.

:04:18. > :04:20.The WhiteFlowers Campaign has said it blames Theresa May,

:04:21. > :04:22.who set up the inquiry when she was Home Secretary,

:04:23. > :04:27.The group, which represents more than a hundred survivors,

:04:28. > :04:29.said it had lost faith in the inquiry

:04:30. > :04:39.and accused it of not being truly independent.

:04:40. > :04:47.brother and sister have been arrested after a man in his 40s was

:04:48. > :04:50.shot dead at a property in Slough. They are being held on suspicion of

:04:51. > :04:56.murder. They are said to have lived in a caravan in woodland near Slough

:04:57. > :04:59.for more than 50 years. The parents of the murdered MP

:05:00. > :05:02.Jo Cox have told this programme that they "will always be broken"

:05:03. > :05:05.after their daughter's death. Friday will mark a year

:05:06. > :05:07.since the Labour MP was killed outside her constituency surgery

:05:08. > :05:09.in West Yorkshire. This weekend, her family

:05:10. > :05:11.is encouraging people to join with friends and neighbours

:05:12. > :05:13.for the Great Get Together, a series of community events

:05:14. > :05:16.being held in Jo's memory. And we'll be talking to Jo's

:05:17. > :05:26.husband Brendan and sister Kim This tweet from Catherine,

:05:27. > :05:33.incredibly moving film with the family of Jo Cox. Chuck tweets you

:05:34. > :05:38.can see where Jo Cox got her decency, humanity and integrity

:05:39. > :05:41.from, what an amazing family. This e-mail from Bill, how brave of the

:05:42. > :05:47.family to speak, it has brought me to tears, and my beloved wife passed

:05:48. > :05:53.away 14 years ago, you never forget. And this tweet from Toby, a truly

:05:54. > :05:56.moving feature on Jo Cox, I think it should permanently be posted on

:05:57. > :05:59.iPlayer. She gave her life to our democracy.

:06:00. > :06:01.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use #Victorialive.

:06:02. > :06:05.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:06:06. > :06:13.Right, let's bring you the latest sport with Katherine.

:06:14. > :06:18.The British and Irish Lions are playing their fourth match

:06:19. > :06:20.They're playing the Highlanders in Dunedin,

:06:21. > :06:22.and it's been an entertaining game.

:06:23. > :06:23.Highlanders scored first Waisake Noholo crashing over,

:06:24. > :06:25.injuring Courtney Lawes in the process.

:06:26. > :06:27.But just a few minutes later, the Lions answered

:06:28. > :06:29.with a try of their own, Jonathan Joseph spotting

:06:30. > :06:34.Tommy Seymour ran it all the way in after this interception.

:06:35. > :06:40.Sam Warburton has scored his first of the tour, and there has been

:06:41. > :06:45.another for Highlanders, tries galore in Dunedin, it is 20-22,

:06:46. > :06:49.Lions just leading, 20 minutes left to go there.

:06:50. > :06:51.A senior coach working with the country's Olympic bobsleigh squad

:06:52. > :06:53.has been accused of racism amid multiple complaints over

:06:54. > :06:56.Confidential documents obtained by the BBC show

:06:57. > :06:58.athletes said their concerns were "of the highest order,

:06:59. > :07:02.mentioning bullying, racism, sexism and discrimination."

:07:03. > :07:09.they were told no disciplinary action would be taken.

:07:10. > :07:11.England's footballers play France in a friendly in Paris tonight.

:07:12. > :07:19.with Tom Heaton and Jack Butland sharing goal-keeping duties.

:07:20. > :07:22.French fans have been asked to join in with God Save The Queen

:07:23. > :07:24.as a mark of respect following the terror attacks.

:07:25. > :07:27.Prime Minister Theresa May and President Emmanuel Macron

:07:28. > :07:41.I was at the match at Wembley and, you know, a very special occasion,

:07:42. > :07:47.and we are very grateful to the French for offering this tribute to

:07:48. > :07:48.England as a country, so it is nice that the history between us doesn't

:07:49. > :07:51.come between us at those moments. And England's World Cup winners,

:07:52. > :07:53.the under-20s team, arrived back in Britain

:07:54. > :07:55.late last night. They flew into Birmingham

:07:56. > :07:57.from South Korea, where they lifted their country's first trophy

:07:58. > :08:10.at a world tournament since 1966. England, as a nation of footballers,

:08:11. > :08:14.young players, is changing, so I think, like you say, it is a big

:08:15. > :08:19.thing to have won the tournament, and it shows we are pushing on and

:08:20. > :08:22.chasing to get to the top. For me personally, to save a penalty in a

:08:23. > :08:28.World Cup final, it is what you dream about as a kid. But for the

:08:29. > :08:33.team, and for what we have achieved, for the country, it is amazing. I

:08:34. > :08:38.hope that these players, they take this experience and really go on and

:08:39. > :08:42.benefit themselves and benefit our senior team in years to come, and

:08:43. > :08:44.fingers crossed that will be the case.

:08:45. > :08:46.Britain's six-time Paralympic champion David Weir

:08:47. > :08:48.will compete in a track event for the final time

:08:49. > :08:50.in next month's Anniversary Games in London.

:08:51. > :08:54.He won the London Marathon for the seventh time in April.

:08:55. > :08:57.In January, Weir, who won four gold medals at London 2012

:08:58. > :09:00.said he would never compete for Britain again

:09:01. > :09:12.And you will be able to hear our interview with David Weir on the BBC

:09:13. > :09:14.News Channel throughout the day, but that is all the sport for now. Back

:09:15. > :09:17.to you, Victoria. Good morning! "I got us into this mess

:09:18. > :09:20.and I'll get us out of it." Theresa May's words to her own

:09:21. > :09:22.MPs yesterday, reportedly showing some of the humility

:09:23. > :09:24.they'd wanted from her. Journalists weren't invited

:09:25. > :09:25.to the meeting. But several MPs have reported

:09:26. > :09:32.the following as taking place. The Prime Minister told her Tory MPs

:09:33. > :09:34.she'll remain leader She pledged that the party

:09:35. > :09:42.would help colleagues who lost their seats, some of whom

:09:43. > :09:46.are in financial difficulties, and when talking about concerns

:09:47. > :09:48.that government policy could be affected

:09:49. > :09:50.by the DUP's views on gay rights, she reportedly said,

:09:51. > :09:56."LGB...what's the rest of it?" lesbian, gay, bisexual

:09:57. > :10:00.and transgender. the PM needs to to a deal

:10:01. > :10:09.with to stay on in government. Let's talk now to two MPs

:10:10. > :10:11.who were at the meeting, Oliver Letwin, who's the

:10:12. > :10:15.Conservative MP for West Dorset, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the

:10:16. > :10:17.Conservative MP for the Cotswolds, and an executive member

:10:18. > :10:19.of the 1922 Committee, which is the group of Conservative

:10:20. > :10:22.MPs Theresa May may with yesterday, and in a moment, we'll speak

:10:23. > :10:26.to Lord Andrew Turnbull, who was a top civil servant under

:10:27. > :10:39.three different Prime Ministers Welcome, all of you, thank you very

:10:40. > :10:42.much for talking to us. Oliver Letwin, how many times did Theresa

:10:43. > :10:50.May apologise to you for throwing away the Conservative majority in

:10:51. > :10:54.that election? Not many! How many? Once, twice? I genuinely have no

:10:55. > :10:59.idea! The meeting was not about that. The meeting was about a pretty

:11:00. > :11:05.unanimous view across the whole room of support for what she was doing,

:11:06. > :11:10.and for the need to carry on, and I thought what was really remarkable

:11:11. > :11:15.was the degree of unanimity. How many times did she apologise? I

:11:16. > :11:20.don't think... I can't honestly remember, but as Oliver said, that

:11:21. > :11:25.is not really the issue. But did she apologise? I am just interested. She

:11:26. > :11:29.apologise to colleagues who lost their seats, she was humble about

:11:30. > :11:34.that. But as Oliver says, there was a remarkable degree of unanimity

:11:35. > :11:41.around the room, as do supporting her. Sure. Issue going to apologise

:11:42. > :11:47.to voters for calling an election that she did not need to that has

:11:48. > :11:50.cost ?130 million? Well, she felt that she needed her own mandate to

:11:51. > :11:55.negotiate these Brexit talks. That was a view at the time. With

:11:56. > :11:59.hindsight, she might have taken a different view. But we are where we

:12:00. > :12:04.are, and we have to go on governing the country with the Parliamentary

:12:05. > :12:06.arithmetic that we have. Oliver Letwin, your Conservative colleague

:12:07. > :12:11.Heidi Elin said she saw a very humble woman in Mrs May. Do you

:12:12. > :12:15.think the rest of the country is going to see her humble side at some

:12:16. > :12:25.point? I would not describe her as humble, as you said, she apologised,

:12:26. > :12:31.she let us in on the feelings that she had about what had happened, but

:12:32. > :12:35.I don't think it is a question of humble or otherwise. I think it is a

:12:36. > :12:40.question of her ability at a time when our country faces significant

:12:41. > :12:45.challenges to manage the economy soundly and come of all of this in a

:12:46. > :12:49.good condition. That is what matters to our fellow citizens, not the

:12:50. > :12:54.political bits and bobs, what happens to the country. I think what

:12:55. > :12:58.cheap is weighed and all of us of is that she is capable of doing that,

:12:59. > :13:05.and that is where we need to be. -- I think what she persuaded all of us

:13:06. > :13:09.of. So she has two years to see through the negotiations, then she

:13:10. > :13:13.hands over to whoever head of the next general election? It depends on

:13:14. > :13:16.a number of factors, how the relationship with the DUP works out,

:13:17. > :13:19.and I think it depends on the Conservative Party itself. If the

:13:20. > :13:23.Conservative Party itself starts going to war with one another, then

:13:24. > :13:27.the period will be shorter rather than longer. But what you can say is

:13:28. > :13:32.that she's not going to fight the next general election as leader of

:13:33. > :13:36.the Conservative Party? Well, we don't know that yet. I think it is

:13:37. > :13:42.far too soon to say that. You think she could? With that majority? She

:13:43. > :13:47.could, it depends how the thing works out. If the Brexit negotiation

:13:48. > :13:50.went incredibly well and she was crowned as having done an incredibly

:13:51. > :13:56.good deal, I think you might find that the holes and tuition would

:13:57. > :14:01.change. I entirely agree about that, Victoria, you will recognise the

:14:02. > :14:07.slogan that a week is a long time in politics. Two years, 104 weeks, is a

:14:08. > :14:10.very long time in politics, and none of us have the slightest idea what

:14:11. > :14:14.will happen. The important thing is to focus on those years, getting to

:14:15. > :14:19.a successful conclusion on Brexit, and then the whole nation will be in

:14:20. > :14:23.a different position. Do you agree with your colleague that she could

:14:24. > :14:27.be in charge for less than two years, depending on what happens?

:14:28. > :14:32.Prime Ministers are in charge on the basis of delivering for the country,

:14:33. > :14:35.I am confident she will deliver, and I'm confident she will be in charge

:14:36. > :14:40.throughout that period, and I think it is altogether likely she will

:14:41. > :14:44.fight the next election as well. But we take that step-by-step, we have

:14:45. > :14:49.to lock in the DUP, deliver on Brexit and the economy, regain the

:14:50. > :14:55.confidence of electors, many of whom voted for us, many of whom did not,

:14:56. > :15:00.and that is what politics is about. Lord Turnbull, formerly a top civil

:15:01. > :15:05.servant and three Prime Ministers, you have called for Theresa May to

:15:06. > :15:09.stand aside - that would not help Britain's Brexit negotiations. Well,

:15:10. > :15:16.I don't think this coalition can last five years. You haven't even

:15:17. > :15:19.given it a day! I did not say how soon, there is a difference between

:15:20. > :15:23.when she goes and makes it clear that she is going to go, the Ed

:15:24. > :15:29.Miliband time table - I think we will find that this coalition needs

:15:30. > :15:34.to be settled in, get past the Queen's Speech to demonstrate that

:15:35. > :15:40.it can win votes, and then people will look at what it can achieve.

:15:41. > :15:43.Its problem is that it will be, apart from the Brexit negotiators, a

:15:44. > :15:48.near do nothing parliament. It has no strength to take any of the

:15:49. > :15:52.measures that it wants to take, and that will be incredibly frustrating.

:15:53. > :15:59.I don't think she can be the person who fights the next election. The

:16:00. > :16:05.precedents, we have had three elections which were inconclusive,

:16:06. > :16:08.1951, 1964 and 1974, and then another election shortly thereafter.

:16:09. > :16:12.In each case, the election thereafter was won by the side that

:16:13. > :16:20.had the momentum. Although Labour didn't get more

:16:21. > :16:25.seats they definitely had the momentum. So that's the danger. Do

:16:26. > :16:31.the Conservatives want to fight that election with someone who was a very

:16:32. > :16:35.poor cam pamer and handled it so badly or do they want someone new?

:16:36. > :16:41.If they want someone new they have got to get that person in, in time

:16:42. > :16:48.for them to settle in, establish some record and when you start

:16:49. > :16:54.working you find this change needs to be made before two years. There

:16:55. > :17:00.is another precedent here which is in 2010 when as you know I was arbli

:17:01. > :17:04.involved in negotiating an agreement with the Liberal Democrats, but lots

:17:05. > :17:07.of other people told me and people reported in the press that this

:17:08. > :17:10.couldn't possibly last. It lasted the whole course of the Parliament.

:17:11. > :17:14.That Government achieved a great deal and David Cameron went on to

:17:15. > :17:17.win a general election with an outright majority thereafter. So

:17:18. > :17:22.there are conflicting precedents here and actually, I don't think

:17:23. > :17:26.that the Conservative Party or those who are commenting on these matters

:17:27. > :17:33.should be focussing on the question of election victory or otherwise in

:17:34. > :17:36.2022. This nation faces an obsolutely critical juncture in its

:17:37. > :17:40.whole history and who we should be focussing on is getting through that

:17:41. > :17:44.and doing the next two years successfully for all of us and that,

:17:45. > :17:48.I think, that came out of the meeting of the 1922 the Conservative

:17:49. > :17:53.Party in Parliament, wherever else, is focussed on delivering a good

:17:54. > :17:56.Brexit outcome and a sound economy as the background to that in the

:17:57. > :18:01.nation's interests and that's what we should be doing. What you're

:18:02. > :18:04.papering over Oliver is the massive division in view within the

:18:05. > :18:12.Conservative Party. This is where the biggest fault line of politics

:18:13. > :18:17.is. Do they want a hard Brexit which prioritises control over the

:18:18. > :18:20.movement of people or do they want a Brexit which prioritises trade?

:18:21. > :18:27.Until you've settled that, I don't see how you can get to a successful

:18:28. > :18:30.budget negotiation. Whilst you're here briefly, voters have been

:18:31. > :18:33.drawing up on our programme today a code of conduct for MPs as MPs go

:18:34. > :18:39.back to Westminster after the election. The voters have suggested

:18:40. > :18:44.these five points on how they'd like MPs to behave. Number one,

:18:45. > :18:47.integrity, number two, empathy, number three, clarity and directness

:18:48. > :18:53.and four humility, number five passion. Is there any you would

:18:54. > :18:56.disagree. You raised your eyebrows at passion, Jeffrey Clifton-Brown? A

:18:57. > :19:02.politician always has got to have passion and the two really important

:19:03. > :19:06.things is next week we start the complicated Brexit negotiations. The

:19:07. > :19:09.most important event of this country since the Second World War and the

:19:10. > :19:13.Conservative Party will unite around Theresa May because the alternative

:19:14. > :19:15.of Jeremy Corbyn is much worse to every Conservative member of

:19:16. > :19:19.Parliament and that's why they'll unite. Thank you all. Thank you very

:19:20. > :19:33.much. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:19:34. > :19:36.Joims Brokenshire says he's confident a deal between the

:19:37. > :19:40.Conservatives and the DUP will be reached today. He has been speaking

:19:41. > :19:46.to the BBC in the past half an hour. I'm sure that will be a matter of

:19:47. > :19:49.discussion for them and I'm sure we will have more details during the

:19:50. > :19:53.course of the day, but the thing to stress is that the work that I do as

:19:54. > :19:57.Secretary of State for Northern Ireland is separate. That we are

:19:58. > :20:00.very clear on the work that I was doing yesterday afternoon and

:20:01. > :20:04.evening around the devolution settlements and ensuring that we get

:20:05. > :20:08.devolved Government back and that is something that as a Government we

:20:09. > :20:13.hold fast to on ensuring that our duties to serve Northern Ireland

:20:14. > :20:16.well, to adhere to our responsibilities under the Belfast

:20:17. > :20:21.Agreement, absolutely is at the core of what we are as a Government, and

:20:22. > :20:23.will certainly guide our actions into the future.

:20:24. > :20:28.INAUDIBLE Well,ual' confident. I think the

:20:29. > :20:31.discussions thus far have been positive, but the leader of the DUP

:20:32. > :20:34.is seeing the Prime Minister later today for further discussions around

:20:35. > :20:38.the agreement. We want to see conclusions so that we can get on

:20:39. > :20:42.with acting in the best interests of our country and actually getting on

:20:43. > :20:47.with the job. James Brokenshire.

:20:48. > :20:53.The sister and husband of Jo Cox will be

:20:54. > :20:56.joining us to reflect on her life and legacy almost a year

:20:57. > :21:07.Theresa May has failed to protect survivors

:21:08. > :21:10.of historical child sex abuse, that's according to another group

:21:11. > :21:13.which this morning is exclusively announcing on this programme that

:21:14. > :21:20.it's quitting the Government's independent inquiry.

:21:21. > :21:24.The independent inquiry into child sexual abuse

:21:25. > :21:27.in England and Wales was set-up by Theresa May during her

:21:28. > :21:30.It aimed to investigate claims of sexual abuse

:21:31. > :21:31.against local authorities, religious organisations,

:21:32. > :21:33.the Armed Forces and public and private institutions

:21:34. > :21:38.and to "expose failures and learn the lessons" from the past.

:21:39. > :21:39.But it has been dogged by controversy

:21:40. > :21:42.with many key victims groups quitting saying they've lost faith

:21:43. > :21:46.in it and accusing the inquiry of not being truly independent.

:21:47. > :21:48.Now, another group which represents more than 100 survivors,

:21:49. > :21:53.has told this programme that they share the same concerns.

:21:54. > :21:55.Let's talk now to Phil Frampton from the Survivors of Organised

:21:56. > :21:59.and Institutional Abuse, part of the White Flowers Campaign.

:22:00. > :22:06.They have withdrawn from the inquiry. Thank you for talking to

:22:07. > :22:12.us. Good morning, Victoria. Tell us why you're withdrawing? For three

:22:13. > :22:19.years, White Flowers and thousands of survivors have fought for justice

:22:20. > :22:24.on this inquiry and we just don't believe anymore that it's aim is to

:22:25. > :22:28.deliver justice. It's aim is to be investigative, it looks more like a

:22:29. > :22:33.report writing exercise now, but when it was set-up, we stood by this

:22:34. > :22:38.inquiry for three years. We've been critical, but we pointed out at the

:22:39. > :22:41.beginning that it was riddled with conflicts of interest and when

:22:42. > :22:46.you've got conflicts of interest and you're looking at one of the darkest

:22:47. > :22:50.episodes in British history then, people with conflicts of interest

:22:51. > :22:53.will never shine the torch into the dark corners because they're too

:22:54. > :22:56.frightened that they will find themselves or their friends there

:22:57. > :23:02.and that's really what we found. First of all, the Home Office were

:23:03. > :23:06.put in charge. Prior to 1970, the Home Office had responsibility for

:23:07. > :23:10.all of London's children's homes plus the hundreds of children's

:23:11. > :23:16.homes, approved schools and so forth across the country and yet initially

:23:17. > :23:20.they were actually kept out of the abuse before 1970, was kept out. The

:23:21. > :23:25.Home Office is also responsible for the police. It's one of the failing

:23:26. > :23:29.institutions in relation to child abuse so far as many survivors are

:23:30. > :23:36.concerned yet they are at the heart of the inquiry. Their secondments

:23:37. > :23:42.are running the inquiry now. It beggars belief and at the same time,

:23:43. > :23:48.they have put as the Shirley Oaks survivors pointed out, they put an

:23:49. > :23:51.executive social worker in charge of the inquiry, they may have good

:23:52. > :23:55.interests, but also conflicts of interests there in the sense that

:23:56. > :23:59.they are the people who again, many of those social workers, who

:24:00. > :24:04.survivors believe failed them. So you simply don't trust it hence your

:24:05. > :24:10.withdrawal but then how do you find out, how do you get to the bottom of

:24:11. > :24:15.alleged historical abuse in all these institutions? This inquiry is

:24:16. > :24:20.not to get to the bottom of that alleged abuse. That's the issue. We

:24:21. > :24:24.don't feel it's, that its job. It's almost like a paper exercise now,

:24:25. > :24:29.studying reports. So what do you want then? Well, what we want is a

:24:30. > :24:33.truly investigative inquiry. What we needed was a truly investigative

:24:34. > :24:38.inquiry. So are you saying scrap this and start again? No, it can be,

:24:39. > :24:43.it's up to the inquiry to decide, but there are other ways of doing it

:24:44. > :24:50.rather than using this inquiry. This inquiry, many survivors still have

:24:51. > :24:54.some hope in and I, you know, I feel for them really, but it's a question

:24:55. > :24:58.of the inquiry could change itself overnight, if Theresa May wanted,

:24:59. > :25:03.but sadly, I think Theresa May's shown she is more interested in her

:25:04. > :25:07.own personal appearance than she is in how in substance, in real

:25:08. > :25:11.substance. Theresa May said this inquiry would have, that survivors

:25:12. > :25:14.would be at the heart of this inquiry and the truth is survivors

:25:15. > :25:20.are on the very margins of this inquiry. Our representatives went to

:25:21. > :25:25.a seminar, an official seminar of the inquiry and we're told to sit at

:25:26. > :25:28.the back and to keep quiet and handed post-it notes and told if we

:25:29. > :25:32.want to ask a question then we should write them on there and let

:25:33. > :25:34.Professor Jay answer if she has got time. How is that survivors being at

:25:35. > :25:38.the heart of an inquiry? We obviously asked the independent

:25:39. > :25:40.inquiry into child sexual abuse They said no, but in a statement

:25:41. > :25:47.told us, "Whilst we regret the decision by Survivors

:25:48. > :25:49.of Organised Institutional Abuse to withdraw from the inquiry,

:25:50. > :25:51.we acknowledge their decision and would like to reassure

:25:52. > :25:53.all victims and survivors that the important work

:25:54. > :25:58.of the inquiry including the accountability and reparations

:25:59. > :25:59.investigation that SOIA The inquiry would welcome them back

:26:00. > :26:16.should they decide they wish Can I just say a lot of survivors,

:26:17. > :26:24.thousands of survivors have put huge emotional capital into this inquiry

:26:25. > :26:28.over the last three years. The core participants may have to wait three

:26:29. > :26:31.or four years time. Not being able to move on unless they can get

:26:32. > :26:38.support from the inquiry, but the inquiry has said this they will not

:26:39. > :26:43.give that support until those cases go to, are considered and therefore,

:26:44. > :26:48.it could be four years more. Survivors are dropping out of the

:26:49. > :26:52.inquiry at the moment because they can't afford to leave their lives

:26:53. > :26:58.and their emotions on hold. That, for me, is callous and cruel. It's

:26:59. > :27:03.callous, cruel and incompetent if you're running a serious inquiry

:27:04. > :27:07.over such psychological issues. OK, thank you very much, Phil. Thank

:27:08. > :27:07.you, Phil Frampton from the survivors of organised and

:27:08. > :27:11.institutional abuse. The sister

:27:12. > :27:16.and husband of Jo Cox will be joining us to reflect on her life

:27:17. > :27:25.and legacy almost a year With the news, here's Joanna

:27:26. > :27:36.in the BBC Newsroom. Theresa May is meeting with the DUP

:27:37. > :27:39.leader, Arlene Foster, today to thrash out a deal that

:27:40. > :27:42.would see the party prop up With Brexit talks due to begin

:27:43. > :27:45.in less than a week, the EU's chief negotiator,

:27:46. > :27:48.Michel Barnier, has said Britain He's also urged the Government

:27:49. > :27:51.to appoint a negotiating team that is stable,

:27:52. > :27:53.accountable and with a mandate. Inflation unexpectedly jumped

:27:54. > :27:55.to its highest level Consumer prices increased by 2.9%

:27:56. > :28:07.compared with a year earlier, it is the biggest increase since

:28:08. > :28:10.June 2013,according to the Office It said one of the main reasons

:28:11. > :28:17.for the rise was the cost of foreign package holidays

:28:18. > :28:26.for British tourists. The European Court of Human Rights

:28:27. > :28:29.will rule on whether doctors treating Charlie Gard can turn off

:28:30. > :28:32.his life support. Last week the UK's Supreme Court agreed with specialist

:28:33. > :28:36.doctors that he should receive palliative care instead.

:28:37. > :28:39.A woman has been charged with murder, after a man was hit

:28:40. > :28:43.Emergency crews were called to Victoria Station on Sunday

:28:44. > :28:46.evening, but were unable to save him.

:28:47. > :28:50.Charrissa Loren Brown-Wellington, who is 31, will appear

:28:51. > :28:54.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:28:55. > :29:05.Highlanders have snatched a win over the British and Irish Lions

:29:06. > :29:08.The Lions gave away a penalty with just six

:29:09. > :29:11.minutes left on the clock and that was enough to put

:29:12. > :29:14.the South Island side just one point ahead,

:29:15. > :29:20.a lead they held onto until the final whistle.

:29:21. > :29:23.A senior coach working with the country's Olympic bobsleigh

:29:24. > :29:26.squad has been accused of racism amid multiple complaints of a "toxic

:29:27. > :29:32.England's footballers play France in a friendly in Paris tonight.

:29:33. > :29:35.French fans are expected to join in with God Save The Queen

:29:36. > :29:37.as a mark of respect following the terror attacks.

:29:38. > :29:39.Prime Minister Theresa May and President Emmanuel

:29:40. > :29:47.Britain's six-time Paralympic champion David Weir will compete

:29:48. > :29:49.in a track event for the final time in next month's

:29:50. > :29:55.He won the London Marathon for the seventh time in April.

:29:56. > :30:03.That's all the sport. Back to you Victoria. Thank you very much.

:30:04. > :30:05.Friday marks the first anniversary of the death of Labour MP Jo Cox,

:30:06. > :30:08.who was killed in Birstall, outside her constituency surgery.

:30:09. > :30:09.Her senseless killing sent shockwaves

:30:10. > :30:12.around the world but united the country in grief.

:30:13. > :30:15.A year on, and her family are determined to continue her legacy.

:30:16. > :30:17.This weekend, on the first anniversary of her death,

:30:18. > :30:20.they're encouraging people to join together with neighbours,

:30:21. > :30:26.friends and their local community at events in her memory.

:30:27. > :30:28.In a moment, we'll speak to Jo's husband Brendan

:30:29. > :30:31.and her sister, Kim Leadbeater, but first let's hear Jo's parents

:30:32. > :30:45.remembering the moment they learnt she'd died.

:30:46. > :30:47.We'd just sat down about five minutes,

:30:48. > :30:52.And he just said, Jo's been shot, I think.

:30:53. > :31:01.And we jumped in the car, I remember I was jumping in the car,

:31:02. > :31:07.I don't know how we managed to get there.

:31:08. > :31:25.People are shot and recover, et cetera, et cetera.

:31:26. > :31:28.So we didn't know at that time. I think we knew.

:31:29. > :31:32.I think I did. I didn't know.

:31:33. > :31:35.But you see these things on the television where the doctor,

:31:36. > :31:37.in this case it was a police inspector,

:31:38. > :31:40.comes into the room and he has to tell you.

:31:41. > :31:43.In fact, he doesn't have to tell you.

:31:44. > :31:45.You can see by his expression.

:31:46. > :31:56.And he said, "I'm sorry to say she didn't make it."

:31:57. > :32:00.because there's a piece missing.

:32:01. > :32:03.The low times for us are when we turn the television

:32:04. > :32:05.on and see terrorist acts - Westminster Bridge, Manchester -

:32:06. > :32:08.because that's when it brings everything back.

:32:09. > :32:10.For me, the ambulances, the sirens,

:32:11. > :32:21.But we also think about the people who have lost loved ones,

:32:22. > :32:26.and we know what they are actually just going through.

:32:27. > :32:37.And unfortunately they don't, as yet.

:32:38. > :32:40.Going forward, build on the children, the grandchildren.

:32:41. > :32:47.Because you're right, it won't go away.

:32:48. > :33:17.# Looking back, I could have played differently... #

:33:18. > :33:20.More than one person came up to me after the funeral,

:33:21. > :33:24.and after Kim talked in Birstall marketplace,

:33:25. > :33:28.and said, "You've got not one but two marvellous daughters."

:33:29. > :33:36.on the television et cetera, making speeches."

:33:37. > :33:55.because I can't separate the two and never would.

:33:56. > :34:01.Talking to us now are Kim Ledbeater and Brendan Cox, Jo's husband.

:34:02. > :34:14.Kim, Jo's sister. Hello. Hi. How are you? I found it very hard to watch

:34:15. > :34:18.that film. Kim, how are you? OK, I think we are tired, extremely busy,

:34:19. > :34:23.but we at to demand that we will get through the next couple of weeks, as

:34:24. > :34:29.Jo would want us two. Not to say it will not be very difficult at times,

:34:30. > :34:35.but we will get there. You talk in the book, Brendan, you talk about

:34:36. > :34:40.the Jo that you knew. I want you both to tell our audience what she

:34:41. > :34:47.was like, because they will not know that much about. Yeah, you can see

:34:48. > :34:50.it in some of that footage, huge energy and enthusiasm, zest for

:34:51. > :34:58.life. She threw herself everything from campaigning to being a mum, to

:34:59. > :35:03.being part of our community, and she just, yeah, as well as that energy,

:35:04. > :35:07.she had an empathy, I know it is on the board! But I talked about it

:35:08. > :35:13.before, and just that sends of ability to feel how people are

:35:14. > :35:17.feeling and empathise with people, whether you were an older person who

:35:18. > :35:22.hadn't seen anybody for a week, who lived in her constituency, or a

:35:23. > :35:26.family from Syria fleeing the conflict there, that supreme ability

:35:27. > :35:32.to empathise and that energy which, for me, which summarises her. Jo was

:35:33. > :35:39.an extremely positive person, she had values that, you know, we can

:35:40. > :35:43.probably all learn from, but if you see my parents speaking, we are glad

:35:44. > :35:47.to have full people. We are not going to be beaten, we always trying

:35:48. > :35:50.to find the positive and good in things. Jo saw the good in

:35:51. > :35:55.everything and everyone, and you will struggle to find anyone who did

:35:56. > :35:59.not like it. You might disagree and debate, fine, but I don't think I've

:36:00. > :36:06.ever met anybody who didn't like. And she was also very annoying! She

:36:07. > :36:11.was not perfect! Everyone is a bit annoying at some point. She was late

:36:12. > :36:18.for everything, forget everybody's birthdays! Unbelievably forgetful.

:36:19. > :36:23.When Jo and I were getting engaged, one of the stories I tell in the

:36:24. > :36:28.book, we went on a cycling holiday, and she forgot her bike. A cycling

:36:29. > :36:33.holiday, how do you forget your bike?! So incredibly annoying, but

:36:34. > :36:38.looking back now, those things are, you know, what made her her. She

:36:39. > :36:42.wasn't a saint, she wasn't perfect, but she was somebody, as we have

:36:43. > :36:49.said, that had this positivity, empathy, a zest for life. Even when

:36:50. > :36:53.she was forgetting her bike, that shone through. Let me read you a

:36:54. > :36:57.couple of messages, so many of these, these are representative of

:36:58. > :37:04.all of them. Kim says, my heartfelt love to Brendan, Kim and all Jo's

:37:05. > :37:08.family, such a heartbreaking loss, what a beautiful legacy Jo left, her

:37:09. > :37:12.passing is not in vain, I have ordered your book, big love to you

:37:13. > :37:16.all. Sophia says, Jo Cox was an inspiration in life and in death,

:37:17. > :37:24.thank you, Jo, despite the dark, horrid early days, your mission

:37:25. > :37:28.lives on, thank you for giving us hope. I don't know if you take

:37:29. > :37:31.comfort in kind words from strangers, do you? Absolutely, it is

:37:32. > :37:38.one of the things that has got us through. For me and mum and dad, the

:37:39. > :37:41.support that has been shown, not just from people we know, but total

:37:42. > :37:46.strangers across the country and across the world, because even if

:37:47. > :37:50.you didn't know Jo, you could see what she stood for, so you might not

:37:51. > :37:58.miss on a personal level in the way we do, but you will see what a loss

:37:59. > :38:03.it is, someone who had those values, so that support has been, yeah,

:38:04. > :38:11.phenomenal. And for often when you go through a loss, you feel very

:38:12. > :38:17.isolated, because everyone else's lives take on as normal. And with

:38:18. > :38:20.this, they could see that other people were feeling the pain that

:38:21. > :38:30.they were feeling, not the same size or scale intensity, but I remember,

:38:31. > :38:36.on the way to the funeral, in the car, Cuillin turned to me, thousands

:38:37. > :38:40.of people and, throwing flowers, and Cuillin said I know that people love

:38:41. > :38:48.money, but I didn't know this many people did. -- loved Mummy. So that

:38:49. > :38:52.compassion, and it is more important, because you can imagine,

:38:53. > :38:57.if this happens at such a formative stage of your life, your view of

:38:58. > :39:01.life and our country could end up being very dark, but they don't have

:39:02. > :39:05.that at all, because of that compassion and kindness, they are

:39:06. > :39:09.only inform six, but they have a very optimistic and enthusiastic

:39:10. > :39:17.view of life. That is testament to you, isn't it? Brendan has been

:39:18. > :39:21.amazing, his priority has been the children since then, the way that

:39:22. > :39:27.they are coping, not just coping, thriving, that is down to how he has

:39:28. > :39:30.done his job. Not just me, Jo and I often talked about how the first

:39:31. > :39:34.three years were critical for kids in terms of the way their brains

:39:35. > :39:37.develop, the way they get their sense of cells, so they have a hell

:39:38. > :39:43.of a lot of Jo in them, and the thing that has got me through is the

:39:44. > :39:48.family, incredibly close family, both on Jo's side and the mine, and

:39:49. > :39:54.then the community. And that is, for us, such a big part of Jo's

:39:55. > :39:59.politics, she wasn't an ideological politician who got her politics from

:40:00. > :40:02.textbooks. She got her politics particularly from her home life in

:40:03. > :40:07.Batley, from her grandad, who was a postman in Batley, and the sense

:40:08. > :40:11.that she got from him of how important it was to know your

:40:12. > :40:16.neighbours, and how much she valued that. So that became a big part of

:40:17. > :40:20.her life and her politics, but now, this morning, I had to get up early

:40:21. > :40:28.to do an interview, and very kindly the neighbours through the tips...

:40:29. > :40:34.They put them on the boat! They are as happy as Larry, and that is

:40:35. > :40:39.hugely valuable. You both mentioned community, but there is the global

:40:40. > :40:45.community, you have had contact from people all over the world, including

:40:46. > :40:50.President Obama. Yeah! And Gordon Brown, who she used to work for,

:40:51. > :40:56.saying, is it all right if President Obama gives you a call? I was

:40:57. > :41:00.speaking to Gordon, and he said, yeah, is it OK if he gets in touch,

:41:01. > :41:04.and I thought he might send a card or something, which I thought was

:41:05. > :41:10.incredible. And my phone rang and it was the weirdest, like out of a bad

:41:11. > :41:14.American film, when they say, can we transfer you to Air Force One?

:41:15. > :41:20.Really? I thought it was maybe taking the make. But it would have

:41:21. > :41:25.been a strange time to do it. He invited us to go over and see him,

:41:26. > :41:27.which was an incredible experience, and amazing for the kids, even

:41:28. > :41:36.though they were then three and five. They got a hell of a lot from

:41:37. > :41:39.it, and Cuillin is obsessed with history, I'd tell you about the

:41:40. > :41:43.Second World War, which I don't know and have about! I had been telling

:41:44. > :41:47.him about the history of America, what little I know about it, and the

:41:48. > :41:52.first thing he said when he got into the room was, I thought the British

:41:53. > :41:55.burned the White House down, the most embarrassing thing you could

:41:56. > :42:02.possibly say! The president said it was much better now that they had

:42:03. > :42:07.rebuilt it. So he was thankful! Tim, you can't bring Jo back, what can

:42:08. > :42:12.you do? I think, for me, accepting that we cannot change what has

:42:13. > :42:17.happened. Whilst it is buried, that is the only way to move forward so

:42:18. > :42:22.three things I want to do. That whilst it is very difficult. I want

:42:23. > :42:26.to scoop the kids up in love, make sure they know how amazing the mum

:42:27. > :42:31.was, how much she loved them, that is the top priority. Second thing

:42:32. > :42:40.is, remember how lucky we were to have Jo, and I was so lucky, we were

:42:41. > :42:43.friends first and foremost, and we will always have those memories. The

:42:44. > :42:51.third thing is to create some kind of legacy, which Brendan is doing

:42:52. > :42:55.amazingly, and I would like to be part of that. I don't now how that

:42:56. > :43:00.would work in the future, but what resonates with me is that Jo should

:43:01. > :43:04.have been alive for at least another 40 years, and the work she would

:43:05. > :43:11.have done in that 40 years, what you would have achieved to do things,

:43:12. > :43:16.and I feel a bit of a moral duty to do something positive and help

:43:17. > :43:20.people, like Jo would have done. Thank you both very much, thank you

:43:21. > :43:27.for talking to us. The book is out today, it is called Jo Cox: More In

:43:28. > :43:32.Common. All the profits are going to the foundation which is taking

:43:33. > :43:34.forward her work. This weekend is the Great Get Together, which we

:43:35. > :43:39.have been putting together for what feels like a long time now excited

:43:40. > :43:42.is a simple idea, asking people to get together with their neighbours,

:43:43. > :43:47.share food, celebrate all the things we have in common. Jo talked about

:43:48. > :43:50.that a lot, the killing was designed to divide us, and we think the best

:43:51. > :43:54.possible response is a weekend to bring the country back together

:43:55. > :43:58.again, which we do need. And you have got your address at the ready!

:43:59. > :44:02.Get together and have a good weekend. Thank you both, thank you.

:44:03. > :44:05.A court ruling is due this month in Northern Ireland

:44:06. > :44:06.over the strict abortion laws there.

:44:07. > :44:09.Campaigners say the result has been made all the more significant

:44:10. > :44:12.Unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is illegal

:44:13. > :44:15.in almost all circumstances in Northern Ireland.

:44:16. > :44:18.Campaigners hope the ruling will be a step towards changing the law

:44:19. > :44:25.in cases of rape, incest or fatal foetal abnormality.

:44:26. > :44:51.Hi. I'm Sarah. Nice to meet you. Come on in. Thank you. This is my

:44:52. > :44:59.mum, Jane. Hi Jane. Nice to meet you. It was just a few weeks after

:45:00. > :45:03.Sarah Yeates' wedding that she found out she was pregnant. It was all

:45:04. > :45:08.planned and she was delighted. Everyone talked about the 3D scan

:45:09. > :45:14.and we wanted to see the baby in 3D. It was private. It wasn't at our

:45:15. > :45:21.hospital. They put the baby on the scroon. Feet, legs, oh you're having

:45:22. > :45:25.a wee girl the when she got to the baby's head, there was nothing from

:45:26. > :45:32.above the baby's eyes basically. There was no skull or brain

:45:33. > :45:35.formation. Sarah's baby had a condition which occurs in six in

:45:36. > :45:40.every 10,000 births. There is no treatment. And babies with it die

:45:41. > :45:44.before they're born or shortly after birth. This is your scan that you

:45:45. > :45:47.got? Yes, the skull wasn't formed. There was nothing above that. It

:45:48. > :45:53.should be round and it's not. So the baby wasn't going to be able to

:45:54. > :45:57.survive as soon as the baby was cut from me, when the umbilical cord was

:45:58. > :46:07.cut that's when the baby would have passed away. When I realised what,

:46:08. > :46:12.the baby wasn't going to survive and how bad the condition was, I thought

:46:13. > :46:15.that I couldn't continue on for nine months and people asking me when you

:46:16. > :46:20.were due, was your nursery set-up? Did you know what you were having? I

:46:21. > :46:27.just did not have the baby at the end of it, I just felt like I

:46:28. > :46:32.couldn't go through with that. We said we wanted a medical termination

:46:33. > :46:35.and that's what it is. And they said sorry, we can't help you and we were

:46:36. > :46:39.absolutely shocked. We were like, what do you mean you can't help?

:46:40. > :46:46.They said, sorry, but with the law here, we can't help you. You would

:46:47. > :46:51.have to go across the water. Unlike the rest of the UK, abortion is

:46:52. > :46:57.illegal here in Northern Ireland in almost all circumstances. That meant

:46:58. > :47:00.that at 21 weeks pregnant Sarah had to travel to London to have her

:47:01. > :47:04.abortion. It is that experience that means she is involved in this court

:47:05. > :47:08.case. Halfs the experience like? Making that journey, going all that

:47:09. > :47:14.way? Awful. I should have been at home with my family round me, my

:47:15. > :47:21.friends supporting me. Sarah started her fight in court with the judicial

:47:22. > :47:24.review two years ago. In 2015, the Northern Ireland Human Rights

:47:25. > :47:28.Commission brought the case to extend the grounds for abortion. The

:47:29. > :47:35.judge in the case ruled that women, who were victims of rape or incest,

:47:36. > :47:41.and in cases of foetal abnormality should be allowed abortions, but the

:47:42. > :47:46.ruling was appealed and campaigners are awaiting for a decision from the

:47:47. > :47:53.Appeal Court. Sarah is being backed by Amnesty International. Well nrm's

:47:54. > :47:57.laws date back to 1861 and unlike in the rest of the UK the 1967 Act

:47:58. > :48:03.doesn't apply in Northern Ireland. So it means that with the exception

:48:04. > :48:07.of where a woman's life and her long-term physical and mental health

:48:08. > :48:11.are at risk, abortion is illegal in every other circumstance. So, our

:48:12. > :48:17.laws force women who have been ramd, they force girls who are victims of

:48:18. > :48:22.incest to travel to access abortion services. Amnesty say the likely

:48:23. > :48:26.Conservative DUP deal makes this case even more important. They say

:48:27. > :48:30.that Northern Ireland's politicians, particularly the DUP, have failed to

:48:31. > :48:34.deliver abortion reform and that's why they have to take the fight to

:48:35. > :48:38.court. What's the result you're looking for from this court case?

:48:39. > :48:46.With this case specifically we want the court to find that our laws, not

:48:47. > :48:51.only breach a woman's right to privacy, but our laws aamount to

:48:52. > :48:54.cruel and degrading treatment and are discriminatory against women in

:48:55. > :48:58.this part of the UK because if Sarah and women in those circumstances

:48:59. > :49:02.lived in another part of the UK, they would have been able to access

:49:03. > :49:05.abortion lawfully, but here, our law treats women like Sarah as a

:49:06. > :49:08.criminal. We shouldn't have been in that

:49:09. > :49:12.situation. We should have been at home with our medicals and in our

:49:13. > :49:17.hospital. Nobody knows when this is going to happen. It could happen

:49:18. > :49:22.again. I have a sister and female cousins, girls, women, constantly

:49:23. > :49:26.contacting us... Abortion is such a sensitive issue here and there are

:49:27. > :49:29.many opponents to Amnesty to Sarah. Those who don't want to see any

:49:30. > :49:33.extension to the circumstances in which abortion is legal. And so have

:49:34. > :49:45.involved themselves in this court case. I'm off to see antiabortion

:49:46. > :49:49.group. They're called Precious Life. They are set-up outside the

:49:50. > :50:04.university here. Hi, nice to meet you. You too. Is this your team?

:50:05. > :50:07.This Lucy is the chair of the Queen's Pro Life Society. She

:50:08. > :50:13.organises the outreach here every week. You get a really good

:50:14. > :50:18.reception. I believe that every life deserves to be protected, you know,

:50:19. > :50:22.both women and children and I don't think you can sort of rank the value

:50:23. > :50:27.of a human life based on anything. If someone has a disability or based

:50:28. > :50:30.on the circumstances of conception I think you have to protect everybody.

:50:31. > :50:38.This case in the court is about women who have been raped. Or have

:50:39. > :50:43.been subject to incest or where the baby will never live outside of

:50:44. > :50:47.pregnancy or will die as soon as it's born. We would argue as a third

:50:48. > :50:50.party intervener in that particular case that every child should be

:50:51. > :50:55.protected in law, policy and practise and that the law here

:50:56. > :51:00.should not be changed. While a child in the womb, that child alive and

:51:01. > :51:03.kicking. That child is a human being and that child deserves to be

:51:04. > :51:07.protected. So you think even if the mother doesn't want to carry it, she

:51:08. > :51:12.should have to? To murder a child in the womb is always wrong and that's

:51:13. > :51:22.what happens through an abortion. They know you're there, that's

:51:23. > :51:26.probably why. So do you have any sympathy with the pro-lifers?

:51:27. > :51:31.They're unbelievably passionate about this and they, through their

:51:32. > :51:35.eyes, that baby, that unborn baby is just the same as you or I? I

:51:36. > :51:40.appreciate that this is an issue that people have strong feelings on,

:51:41. > :51:44.but where I draw the line is when people force that opinion on other

:51:45. > :51:48.women. You know, this is an issue for each individual woman and her

:51:49. > :51:52.doctor. It's no one else's business. It's a private matter. What is it

:51:53. > :51:57.like for you, listening to the stories of the women that come to

:51:58. > :52:01.you? It's enormously difficult. I'm obviously speaking to these women in

:52:02. > :52:04.my Amnesty capacity, but as a woman myself I can't imagine what it's

:52:05. > :52:08.like for these women in these circumstances to be told that your

:52:09. > :52:16.pregnancy isn't viable or to be a victim of rape, to be a child who is

:52:17. > :52:19.a victim of incest, and to be told by doctors here, we can't help you.

:52:20. > :52:25.I mean abortion is not only a healthcare and Human Rights issue,

:52:26. > :52:29.but there is an economic dimension, women who have money will be able to

:52:30. > :52:34.circum haven't the law here because they can travelment women who live

:52:35. > :52:39.in poverty, don't In 2015 the BBC polled the Northern Irish public on

:52:40. > :52:46.this issue. 84% of people asked said abortion should be available in

:52:47. > :52:52.cases of rape. 67% said it should be in cases of abnormality. Precious

:52:53. > :52:56.Life dispute the findings. 84% of people in Northern Ireland said in

:52:57. > :53:00.cases of rape... Has everybody in Northern Ireland been asked? No.

:53:01. > :53:03.When you do polls, you don't ask everyone. While we are looking at

:53:04. > :53:07.the results, a member of the public starts ripping up their leaflets.

:53:08. > :53:13.She is just doing that for attention. I think you're spreading

:53:14. > :53:17.these. It's upsetting my son seeing these images. Do you think that you

:53:18. > :53:21.have the right to do this to other people walking past? Do you think it

:53:22. > :53:25.is a woman's right to make this decision and not you and your

:53:26. > :53:29.(BLEEP) absurd religious ideas? Don't you think a woman has the

:53:30. > :53:35.right to choose? Well, I think you've answered our question and

:53:36. > :53:39.you're in favour of abortion. (BLEEP) God bless that wee child.

:53:40. > :53:45.There is plenty of anger directed at the stall, but some also want to

:53:46. > :53:50.hear their arguments. Circumstances and it is necessary. In what

:53:51. > :53:54.circumstances? If the girl was raped or sexually abused or what do you

:53:55. > :53:59.call it, incest? Is it the child's fault? No, it's not the child's

:54:00. > :54:03.fault... Right, OK. It's not the girl's fault either. Why should we

:54:04. > :54:16.punish the child? I know what you're saying. I haven't thought about it

:54:17. > :54:20.that way. There you gallon. Yeah. Do you usually have people who are more

:54:21. > :54:24.in favour of your message? Well, a variety of different views and view

:54:25. > :54:28.points, but I mean that's basically for your eyes only that set-up

:54:29. > :54:40.there. We don't have the problem at all with... You have different

:54:41. > :54:44.opinions. It is a very emotional issue, isn't it? It's not really.

:54:45. > :54:48.It's quite black and white. What I'm saying, it's wrong. For a lot of

:54:49. > :54:51.people, it's not wrong, you know? You know that might be their opinion

:54:52. > :54:54.in this day and abling, but they're blind to it and it's important that

:54:55. > :55:04.they are informed and that's what we're here to do. How old is he?

:55:05. > :55:14.Two-and-a-half. Sarah now has two children. Jacob and ten week old

:55:15. > :55:19.Aoife. You've got a good play area here.

:55:20. > :55:27.How did what affect your pregnancies with these two? Well, I was, well,

:55:28. > :55:31.we were so nervous of it happening again. We were told if we had one,

:55:32. > :55:37.we would have a higher chance of having another. Have you had any

:55:38. > :55:41.abuse personally? Yes. Not only attacking me for what I'm trying to

:55:42. > :55:44.do, but they have seen pictures on Facebook of my son and then they

:55:45. > :55:52.were starting to say about ugly redheads and all this sort of stuff.

:55:53. > :56:01.It's just ridiculous. It's so awful. What do you want to see from this

:56:02. > :56:06.court case? Well, politicians failed to help us and women like me so

:56:07. > :56:10.we're hoping that we'll get the help through the court. If they ruled in

:56:11. > :56:18.your favour, would that feel like something of a victory like a step,

:56:19. > :56:27.some sort of change? It's bitter sweet. That's the best way of

:56:28. > :56:34.putting it. It would be a relief, but as I say, it would be mixed.

:56:35. > :56:39.Very mixed. Because... Well, as a family, we would have been against

:56:40. > :56:43.termination and abortion because like many people, we're very naive

:56:44. > :56:47.and very ill informed quite frankly and we had never ever thought that a

:56:48. > :56:52.termination would have been needed on medical grounds and one thing

:56:53. > :56:56.we've learnt from this journey is we don't judge anyone until you walk in

:56:57. > :57:00.their shoes because you just don't know how you'd react. Sarah and her

:57:01. > :57:11.mum want abortion to be legal in cases like her's, cases of foetal

:57:12. > :57:15.arnormality. Amnesty is looking for complete discriminalisation. There

:57:16. > :57:19.is any amount of families who there have who have been confronted with

:57:20. > :57:22.the reality of our law. It is illegal in almost every

:57:23. > :57:27.circumstance. Even if you get a victory in this case, it is likely

:57:28. > :57:32.to be challenged again. It's 2017. Our laws date back to 1861. It's

:57:33. > :57:36.unacceptable that our politicians have not grappled with this issue

:57:37. > :57:47.and legislated for change. Change is long overdue and it is coming.

:57:48. > :57:50.We will continue to follow developments in the case on this

:57:51. > :57:56.programme. Thank you for your help compiling

:57:57. > :58:07.the MPs charter. We asked you how you would like them to behave. There

:58:08. > :58:11.is your list. Number one, integrity. Two, empathy, three clarity and

:58:12. > :58:17.directness, four, humility. Five, passion. We're going to send it to

:58:18. > :58:22.all the new MPs over the coming days and weeks.

:58:23. > :58:25.On the programme tomorrow - snooker legend Ronnie O'Sullivan.

:58:26. > :58:39.Thank you for your company today. Have a good day. Bye-bye.

:58:40. > :58:45.Good morning. We've got some mixed fortunes across

:58:46. > :58:48.the UK at the moment. For many of us, it's rather cloudy, but there is

:58:49. > :58:50.sunshine out there. Look at this scene in