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:00:09. > :00:11.Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

:00:12. > :00:16.Hundreds of people attended a vigil last night close to the north London

:00:17. > :00:20.mosque where a van was driven into a crowd of Muslim worshippers.

:00:21. > :00:24.But will it take more than shows of unity to bring people together

:00:25. > :00:31.And how do we prevent further violence?

:00:32. > :00:39.Everyone is still shocked by what happened. There is a little bit of

:00:40. > :00:41.fear, but at the same time, no-one's staying away or hiding because of

:00:42. > :00:44.what happened, everyone is still coming out to pray.

:00:45. > :00:47.A week since the devastating fire at Grenfell Tower,

:00:48. > :00:50.we speak to a family who lived on the 15th floor, and who escaped

:00:51. > :00:53.with nothing but their lives, about where they have been staying

:00:54. > :00:58.And with more and more high-profile sportswomen taking time

:00:59. > :01:02.out to have children, UK cyclist Dame Sarah Storey,

:01:03. > :01:04.has been finding out what is being done to keep

:01:05. > :01:24.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:25. > :01:30.We'll bring you the developing news on Barclays bank. Four individuals

:01:31. > :01:33.are facing fraud conspiracy charges including the former Chief

:01:34. > :01:36.Executive. It's a complex story and our correspondent will be here to

:01:37. > :01:42.explain. Get in touch on everything we are talking about this morning.

:01:43. > :01:48.The family of a man arrested after a terror attack

:01:49. > :01:50.near a London mosque say they are shocked and devastated.

:01:51. > :01:52.Father-of-four Darren Osborne was held on suspicion of attempted

:01:53. > :01:54.murder and terror offences after a van hit Muslim

:01:55. > :02:00.Last night a vigil took place near the scene of the attack.

:02:01. > :02:23.A demonstration that nothing has changed,

:02:24. > :02:28.Everyone is still feeling shocked about what happened,

:02:29. > :02:31.there is a little bit of fear but at the same time, like,

:02:32. > :02:33.noone's staying away or hiding because of what happened.

:02:34. > :02:35.Everyone is still coming out to pray.

:02:36. > :02:38.Of course we are coming, it's a mosque, you have to pray.

:02:39. > :02:42.It is after midnight and it was about this time last

:02:43. > :02:47.People have come from other parts of London to pray here at the mosque

:02:48. > :02:49.tonight in a show of solidarity, they've been embracing

:02:50. > :02:53.in the streets but the leaders here have told me despite being one

:02:54. > :02:55.of the busiest times within Ramadan it has been quieter tonight,

:02:56. > :03:00.Earlier the community held a vigil attended by the Commissioner

:03:01. > :03:02.of the Metropolitan Police Cressida Dick.

:03:03. > :03:05.And the Mayor of London who spoke of communities fighting division.

:03:06. > :03:07.What you've seen over the last 24 hours is Muslims,

:03:08. > :03:09.Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, those members

:03:10. > :03:11.of an organised faith and those that aren't,

:03:12. > :03:13.rich, poor, old, young, coming together and saying,

:03:14. > :03:18.Officers are continuing to hold a man arrested under terror laws

:03:19. > :03:21.who the BBC understands to be 47-year-old Darren

:03:22. > :03:29.His family said they were in shock and disbelief.

:03:30. > :03:34.Our Correspondent Simon Clemison is in Finsbury Park.

:03:35. > :03:41.Simon, we were hearing in your report about the vigil, talk of

:03:42. > :03:46.unity. We can see the hashtag behind you, Uniteded against all terror.

:03:47. > :03:50.What is the mood there now? Hi, very good morning, Joanna. Well,

:03:51. > :03:54.this really was what we saw overnight, what I onced, was a

:03:55. > :03:59.demonstration of strength by a community doing little more than

:04:00. > :04:05.what they would normally do. They came to prayers in just the same way

:04:06. > :04:10.had this not attack taken place. I was in the mosques early hours,

:04:11. > :04:16.headed up the stairs, there was a bit of food as they broke their

:04:17. > :04:21.fast. It was packed and outside it was quieter, the feeling was that it

:04:22. > :04:24.was slightly quieter. One of the leaders suggesting to me that people

:04:25. > :04:27.were anxious and they did stay away. It may have been of course that

:04:28. > :04:37.they'd just gone to worship in another part of London not realising

:04:38. > :04:41.that the mosque was open. It's a message of unity there, a lot of

:04:42. > :04:46.these flowers don't come from the Muslim community, remember, they

:04:47. > :04:50.come from people outside as they come together to get their message

:04:51. > :04:55.across. I can see on the building over there an arsenal flag, that

:04:56. > :04:59.really is all the divide they want in this community, between two North

:05:00. > :05:04.London clubs, Arsenal and Spurs. But there is a lot of underlying tension

:05:05. > :05:07.here, not least to do with the language used by the media. That's

:05:08. > :05:13.something someone was very keen to talk to me last night about, when

:05:14. > :05:17.the media focuses on religion and when it highlights Islam and when it

:05:18. > :05:28.doesn't. He was absolutely furious with the way some of the media are

:05:29. > :05:31.using the words they use, so a tension still that needs resolving.

:05:32. > :05:35.Our Correspondent, Tomos Morgan is in Cardiff for us.

:05:36. > :05:42.The driver of the van named as father of four Darren Osborne. What

:05:43. > :05:47.is emerging about him, Tomos? Police have been carrying out a raid in the

:05:48. > :05:52.house they believe he owned or possibly lived at here in Cardiff.

:05:53. > :05:56.It's in the north-east area of Cardiff. They arrived here around

:05:57. > :05:59.mid afternoon yesterday and they've been here overnight and there's

:06:00. > :06:07.still a police presence here this morning. That van that was hired by

:06:08. > :06:15.the potential suspect was actually from a village to the north-west of

:06:16. > :06:19.Cardiff about 50 miles away in Pontyclun. South Wales police are

:06:20. > :06:24.passing on any information they get to the Metropolitan Police. I've

:06:25. > :06:28.been speaking to people in this community and they've been telling

:06:29. > :06:33.me that really the overwhelming feeling is that of shock really that

:06:34. > :06:36.if this turns out to be true, there's someone in the community

:06:37. > :06:39.that could have carried out such an horrific incident. We heard in

:06:40. > :06:46.Simon's piece, there was a family statement. The family saying they

:06:47. > :06:52.are truly shocked. Unbelievable they've called it and they're

:06:53. > :06:57.devastated for the families that have been injured. They say Darren

:06:58. > :07:01.Osborne himself had never expressed any racist views. South Wales police

:07:02. > :07:03.continuing their investigations here in Cardiff and passing on all the

:07:04. > :07:18.details to the police in London. Annita is in the BBC

:07:19. > :07:20.Newsroom with a summary The Serious Fraud Office has charged

:07:21. > :07:25.Barclays and four former executives including its chief executive,

:07:26. > :07:27.John Varley with fraud over the bank's dealings

:07:28. > :07:29.with Qatar at the height Barclays raised emergency funding

:07:30. > :07:33.from Qatar in 2008 to avoid We can speak to our

:07:34. > :07:43.Business Editor Simon Jack. I understand these are the first

:07:44. > :07:47.senior manages to face criminal charges over alleged activities

:07:48. > :07:52.during the financial crisis? Yes, it's been a long time coming,

:07:53. > :07:58.nearly a decade. Five years of a Serious Fraud Office investigation's

:07:59. > :08:03.finally brought charges against four former executives there and Barclays

:08:04. > :08:05.Plc itself. It comes around events surrounding an emergency

:08:06. > :08:11.fund-raising from Middle Eastern investors who put ?7 billion into

:08:12. > :08:15.the bank back in 2008. Two charges - one is that Barclays lent those

:08:16. > :08:19.investors some of the money which they used the buy the shares, so in

:08:20. > :08:23.effect lending to itself which is a big no-no, as far as regulators are

:08:24. > :08:29.concerned and also they didn't disloads the fees they were paying

:08:30. > :08:34.for advisory services to Qatar Holding who was the investor. These

:08:35. > :08:38.were advisory fees that had no real value, that is the allegation. The

:08:39. > :08:41.holding company of Barclays, not the actual bank itself - that is quite

:08:42. > :08:45.important because if a bank which operates all around the world

:08:46. > :08:49.actually is convicted of criminal charges, it finds it very difficult

:08:50. > :08:53.indeed to operate in those markets soit's the holding company, the bit

:08:54. > :08:57.that owns Barclays Bank that's been charged. John Varley, the former

:08:58. > :09:01.Chief Executive and Roger Jenkins, head of the Middle East operation,

:09:02. > :09:04.are the two executives. We have heard from Roger Jenkin this is

:09:05. > :09:07.morning, he said he's going to vigorously defend the action.

:09:08. > :09:11.Different calculations for the individuals and for the bank to

:09:12. > :09:16.make. If Barclays feels the holding company has to plead guilty, it gets

:09:17. > :09:21.away with a fine in the low hundreds of millions and can get on with its

:09:22. > :09:25.life, it might consider doing that. Jenkins says he'll vigorously defend

:09:26. > :09:29.the charges because it can have immications on their directorships.

:09:30. > :09:34.An important moment, some will say the SFO in a way have gone after the

:09:35. > :09:39.wrong target here because you will remember RBS Lloyds and others went

:09:40. > :09:44.to the Government, you could argue that Barclays made efforts to avoid

:09:45. > :09:49.taxpayer money that had got it into this trouble, so some will say the

:09:50. > :09:52.SFO may eventually get their man, some may say it's the t wrong person

:09:53. > :09:55.they're after. An American student,

:09:56. > :09:58.who was freed last week by North Korea after spending 15

:09:59. > :10:01.months in prison, has died. Otto Warmbier , who was 22,

:10:02. > :10:04.was in a coma when he was His family has accused

:10:05. > :10:08.North Korea of torturing him after he was arrested for stealing

:10:09. > :10:10.a propaganda sign. President Trump spoke

:10:11. > :10:15.shortly after his death. I just wanted to pass on word that

:10:16. > :10:29.Otto Warmbier has just passed away. He spent a year and a

:10:30. > :10:31.half in North Korea. But at least we got him home

:10:32. > :10:36.to be with his parents where they were so happy to see him,

:10:37. > :10:39.even though he was in He just passed away

:10:40. > :10:46.half an hour ago. It is a brutal regime

:10:47. > :10:50.and we will be able to handle it. Our correspondent

:10:51. > :11:02.Steve Evans is in Seoul. Steve, a huge number of questions

:11:03. > :11:05.that the Warmbier family and the US authorities will want answers to of

:11:06. > :11:10.course. What are the chances they're going to get any response from North

:11:11. > :11:16.Korea? I say pretty slim really. The whole

:11:17. > :11:21.thing reeks with suspicion. You will remember this is a lad, 22-year-old

:11:22. > :11:26.student, went to North Korea and he made the very, very foolish mistake

:11:27. > :11:31.of trying to steal a poster from a hotel. He was arrested on his way

:11:32. > :11:35.out, he was sentenced to 15 years hard labour for that, he took it

:11:36. > :11:41.very badly. In his trial which didn't last any time at all, he can

:11:42. > :11:46.be seen whaling and weeping at he his fate. That's the last we saw of

:11:47. > :11:52.him. Then it emerged a month ago that, according to North Korea, he'd

:11:53. > :11:57.fallen into a coma. North Korea said he'd got ill with botch lift and

:11:58. > :12:01.gone into a coma, never recovered but they hadn't told anybody, hadn't

:12:02. > :12:06.told the US authorities, hadn't told his parents until a month ago. What

:12:07. > :12:10.then happened is the US diplomat plus two doctors flew out to

:12:11. > :12:18.Pyongyang, discovered he really was in a very serious state indeed.

:12:19. > :12:23.North Korea seems to have panicked because an American citizen was

:12:24. > :12:26.about to die in one of its cells and that, it seems on the face of it, is

:12:27. > :12:32.why they called in the Americans. The Americans took him back in an

:12:33. > :12:38.Air Ambulance and he died promptly. So the obvious question is, when did

:12:39. > :12:43.he fall into a coma and why did he fall into a coma? Those answers I

:12:44. > :12:48.don't think we are going to get. The Government here in South Korea is

:12:49. > :12:53.saying it wants to know the condition of the nine remaining

:12:54. > :12:55.South Korean citizens and US citizens being held by North Korea.

:12:56. > :13:12.It's got no response. Philip Hammond has demanded a Brexit

:13:13. > :13:16.deal that manages and not shuts down migration. He said the future of the

:13:17. > :13:20.economy was inexorably linked to reaching the right agreement with

:13:21. > :13:26.the EU. A recent poll showed that 90% of

:13:27. > :13:30.respondents believe free trade is positive for our economy regardless

:13:31. > :13:37.of how they voted in last year's referendum. We are not about to turn

:13:38. > :13:41.inward. But we do want to ensure that the arrangements we have in

:13:42. > :13:46.place work for our economy. Just as the British people understand the

:13:47. > :13:50.benefits of trade, so too they understand how important it is to

:13:51. > :13:58.business to be able to access global talent and to move individuals

:13:59. > :14:02.around their organisations. More than ?200,000 has been handed out to

:14:03. > :14:06.180 families affected by the Grenfell Tower fire in West London.

:14:07. > :14:10.The payments were recorded by the Government's newly formed Grenfell

:14:11. > :14:15.Response Team. It said 78 families had been rehoused either locally or

:14:16. > :14:21.in neighbouring boroughs and that 126 hotel places had been secured.

:14:22. > :14:27.A van driver has been killed after migrants put tree trunks on to the

:14:28. > :14:32.motorway to stop traffic near Calais. The incident happened in the

:14:33. > :14:37.early hours on the A16 after the van registered in Poland hit a lorry

:14:38. > :14:42.which had been blocked by the tree trunks. Nine Eritrean migrants were

:14:43. > :14:46.found in one of the lorries. A teenage boy's drowned in a reservoir

:14:47. > :14:50.in Rochdale in Greater Manchester. He was reportedly swimming with

:14:51. > :14:55.friends at the Greenboth reservoir at 6 o'clock yesterday evening. A

:14:56. > :14:58.spokesman said there were not thought to be any suspicious

:14:59. > :15:04.circumstances and his family has been informed. Scientists have begun

:15:05. > :15:08.human trials of a cholesterol lowering vaccine to help prevent

:15:09. > :15:12.heart disease. The injection is designed to stop fatty deposits

:15:13. > :15:15.clogging the arteries. It would offer patients an alternative to

:15:16. > :15:19.taking daily pills to cut risks of stroke, angina and heart attacks.

:15:20. > :15:22.The number of tests carried out in England to identify if people

:15:23. > :15:25.have issues such as sleep apnoea, has doubled in the last nine years.

:15:26. > :15:28.It's believed one and a half million people across the UK

:15:29. > :15:30.have the condition, which can cause sufferers to stop breathing

:15:31. > :15:41.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:15:42. > :15:45.Shortly we will be talking to the head of the Finbsury Park

:15:46. > :15:48.mosque about how his congregation and the wider community have reacted

:15:49. > :15:55.And what more must be done to tackle far-right extremism.

:15:56. > :15:59.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:16:00. > :16:02.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:16:03. > :16:06.Let's get some sport now and Hugh Ferris is at the BBC

:16:07. > :16:11.We're going to start with rugby because the Lions

:16:12. > :16:13.are playing their final warm-up match right now ahead of Saturday's

:16:14. > :16:17.Yes, they are. Good morning. Traditionally it's the game that

:16:18. > :16:22.nobody really wants to be involved in if you play today with the first

:16:23. > :16:26.test against the All Blacks just four days away in Auckland, it's

:16:27. > :16:32.unlikely you'll play in that one. The game is in Hamilton. It's under

:16:33. > :16:39.way. It's against the Chiefs. The stadium had extra seating employed.

:16:40. > :16:43.It means there is some 30,000. The two previous defeats have come from

:16:44. > :16:47.this midweek team if you like so. A lot to prove for them and Warren

:16:48. > :16:50.Gatland the coach of the Lions insist they can still prove that

:16:51. > :16:54.they are capable of taking their place either on president bench or

:16:55. > :16:58.in the starting 15 even for that first test. So who has been

:16:59. > :17:02.impressing? Let's look at the best of the action so far. Somebody who

:17:03. > :17:09.hasn't been, that's the England prop, barging off the ball into the

:17:10. > :17:17.Chiefs prop and so he has seen ten minute in the sin-bin. A couple of

:17:18. > :17:22.penalties exchanged through Bigger. An opportunist try in the 25th

:17:23. > :17:27.minute to give the Lions what is with about five minutes until

:17:28. > :17:29.half-time, a 13-3 lead over the Chiefs.

:17:30. > :17:32.Onto tennis and Andy Murray begins the defence of his

:17:33. > :17:38.That's right. He won it five times, trying to win it for a sixth time.

:17:39. > :17:43.The five times that he has won it so far is a record for the Queen's

:17:44. > :17:47.tournament. Including of those 5-1 in each of the years that he has

:17:48. > :17:51.gone on to win Wimbledon. So clearly, it's an important part of

:17:52. > :17:55.his process in warming up for the home Grand Slam. The world number

:17:56. > :17:58.one said he played some of his best ten us at Queen's. Vital preparation

:17:59. > :18:02.for him, but it's not the only reason that he loves Queen's.

:18:03. > :18:06.It was where I won my first professional match. So I have a lot

:18:07. > :18:10.of great memories over the years. I've played, it has been my most

:18:11. > :18:14.successful tournament. I love the courts here. I like the conditions.

:18:15. > :18:21.It's very close to where I live. So I get to stay at home.

:18:22. > :18:26.It is always important to not to have too much of a commute. He plays

:18:27. > :18:31.this afternoon, another Brit, Kyle Edmund lost in his first round

:18:32. > :18:36.match. Also in Birmingham, this week, the women have another one of

:18:37. > :18:41.those pre-Wimbledon tournaments. Naomi Brodie is through to the last

:18:42. > :18:50.16 there. She managed to beat the world number 39. In the end it was

:18:51. > :18:54.7-6, 6-0 two contrasting sets. Heather Watson lost. Johanna Konta

:18:55. > :18:59.who is seeded number four for the Birmingham classic, she will take to

:19:00. > :19:06.the court to start her campaign. She's playing a Ukrainian. You can

:19:07. > :19:07.follow that on BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra. They have commentary

:19:08. > :19:15.from 1pm. In a proudly multicultural area

:19:16. > :19:18.of London, where the biggest rivalry is normally if you support Arsenal

:19:19. > :19:21.or Spurs, the UK endured its fourth A group of Muslim worshippers

:19:22. > :19:26.were hit when a van mounted the pavement and drove into them

:19:27. > :19:28.in Finsbury Park. The attack happened during Ramadan,

:19:29. > :19:30.Muslim's holy month, after midnight, when many people

:19:31. > :19:32.were there attending The Metropolitan Police Commissioner

:19:33. > :19:39.Cressida Dick said the Finsbury Park incident was "quite clearly

:19:40. > :19:42.an attack on Muslims". With the final days of Ramadan

:19:43. > :19:44.being particularly significant and Eid celebrations planned

:19:45. > :19:48.for early next week, does the attack play

:19:49. > :19:49.into the hands of extremists and does the community

:19:50. > :19:55.here feel safe? Just to practice our religion,

:19:56. > :20:00.we have to look behind our backs. We're living in fear.

:20:01. > :20:09.We shouldn't have to live like this. Like my daughter, who is working,

:20:10. > :20:14.they couldn't, this That's the last thing you need,

:20:15. > :20:39.like, it feels like, you know, As a Muslim how do I keep my son and

:20:40. > :20:41.I safe? Because we don't feel safe at the moment. I didn't want to send

:20:42. > :20:45.him to school. Well, first of all, I'm a Muslim,

:20:46. > :20:52.I have children, I know many members of the community across Britain that

:20:53. > :20:54.have expressed a very similar They hear all of these things

:20:55. > :21:05.happening in London, as a Muslim, Those who try to divide us

:21:06. > :21:31.and who aim to spread fear, hatred She prays most nights

:21:32. > :21:45.at Finsbury Park Mosque and says the attack isn't

:21:46. > :21:48.going to stop her from going back to pray, despite her

:21:49. > :21:50.family being afraid. Ruqaiya Haris has seen a rise

:21:51. > :21:53.in Islamaphobic attacks online since the attacks in Manchester

:21:54. > :21:58.and London took place. Also joining us is Ishmerai

:21:59. > :22:02.Muhammad, a bouncer who helped to save people during the Borough

:22:03. > :22:06.market attack a few weeks ago. He says as the attackers

:22:07. > :22:08.raised their knives and shouted "this is for Allah," he stepped out

:22:09. > :22:11.to save people as he believed they weren't acting

:22:12. > :22:22.in the name of his faith. We hope to speak to Mohammed Kozber,

:22:23. > :22:30.Chairman of Finsbury Park Mosque. Tell us how you are feeling in the

:22:31. > :22:36.aftermath of this attack. First of all, hello. I can't say that I'm

:22:37. > :22:41.particularly shocked. We live in a climate right now where there is

:22:42. > :22:45.such a high rise in Islamophobia, you know, visibly Muslim people are

:22:46. > :22:49.being attacked verbally and physically on our streets every

:22:50. > :22:54.single day. So I'm not going to sit here and say that, you know, people

:22:55. > :22:59.weren't fearing for their lives. I mean we didn't expect to be as

:23:00. > :23:06.horrific as we have seen. But I mean I'm trying not to let it, you know,

:23:07. > :23:10.deter me from going about my normal life and you know going to the

:23:11. > :23:17.mosque. So what sort of things have you experienced? I mean, I don't

:23:18. > :23:20.feel like, I feel like every visibly Muslim person has experienced some

:23:21. > :23:28.form of Islamophobia. I've had close friends of mine... Sorry, have you

:23:29. > :23:33.directly? Yeah, I mean, I've experienced a lot of Islamophobia,

:23:34. > :23:38.but it has not been as horrific as so many things that my close friends

:23:39. > :23:45.have experienced, but I don't think, it's not necessary... What have you

:23:46. > :23:48.experienced specifically and what have your friends experienced

:23:49. > :23:53.specifically that you say is worse than snuff You don't feel safe

:23:54. > :23:57.walking on the street. You feel like you're blamed. You feel because of

:23:58. > :24:01.the type of messages that are going on in the media, no one looks at you

:24:02. > :24:06.and thinks she is just a normal member of society. Sorry to keep

:24:07. > :24:10.interrupting, but I'm wondering why you think that is how people are

:24:11. > :24:15.seeing you? Why I think it's happening to people like me because

:24:16. > :24:18.I'm visibly Muslim? Why do you have that prospective that people are

:24:19. > :24:24.looking at you in that way? Because I look Muslim. Because of the type

:24:25. > :24:29.of messages that the media are perpetuating, silly headlines that

:24:30. > :24:32.one in five Muslim sympathise with radicalism. Things that are not

:24:33. > :24:37.true. How do you think it makes us feel that some people in the UK are

:24:38. > :24:42.sitting at home, have never met a Muslim person and never inat the

:24:43. > :24:47.acted with a Muslim person and they are listening to these headlines,

:24:48. > :24:54.they are going to slowly internalise this message that all Muslims are a

:24:55. > :25:01.threat. I have had friends that had their hijaabs ripped off and their

:25:02. > :25:06.niqabs ripped off in the street. I wouldn't say we live like we feel,

:25:07. > :25:11.you know, free in our streets which is such a sad feeling, but it's, the

:25:12. > :25:15.reality is Islamophobia is a reality. You also say that you've

:25:16. > :25:19.experienced increased Islamophobia. Tell us what your experiences have

:25:20. > :25:23.been? Every time there is an attack, there is a big spike in

:25:24. > :25:27.Islamophobia, that's kind of reported statistically. I've

:25:28. > :25:32.experienced that online countless times. I think any Muslim person who

:25:33. > :25:37.is actually remotely in the kind of public eye talks about these kinds

:25:38. > :25:44.of issues. Braces themselves for, you know, a kind of onslaught of

:25:45. > :25:48.abusive messages. Targeted at them solely for being Muslim really and

:25:49. > :25:54.even, you know, I've said before actually that even when I sent

:25:55. > :25:58.condolence to say victims after a terror attack or talk about how

:25:59. > :26:01.Muslims have actually condemned these kinds of things and what

:26:02. > :26:06.Muslim communities have done to deter extremism, I still get

:26:07. > :26:11.Islamophobic abuse which kind of shows me, it doesn't really matter

:26:12. > :26:15.who somebody says, it is not about somebody being extreme, it is just

:26:16. > :26:20.the fact that they are a Muslim. Do you feel that your experiences are

:26:21. > :26:25.taken seriously? Not particularly, but then you know I do understand

:26:26. > :26:29.that in the kind of online sort of realm, it's very difficult for, I

:26:30. > :26:34.think, social media platforms to actually track every single kind of

:26:35. > :26:38.instance of abuse especially when it is such a huge amount... Has your

:26:39. > :26:43.experience been online rather than face-to-face? Online. But what is

:26:44. > :26:46.quite terrifying, you have friends that you've heard these kind of

:26:47. > :26:52.stories and when I'm seeing these kind of abusive messages online, of

:26:53. > :26:55.course, most people are empowered by that anonymity, but it doesn't mean

:26:56. > :27:00.thaw don't feel threatened when you go out and about. Just because

:27:01. > :27:03.something violent or abusive kind of hasn't happened to me yet in person,

:27:04. > :27:08.just the fact that I get that online, makes me think that it could

:27:09. > :27:13.very well happen. Obviously, as you say, online trolling is people do it

:27:14. > :27:19.behind the mask of anonymity. People behaving actually face-to-face is a

:27:20. > :27:23.different thing. Do you, you know, when you are out and about, you say

:27:24. > :27:27.that you have this perception because of what you're experiencing

:27:28. > :27:32.on line, but the day-to-day reality do you feel that there is

:27:33. > :27:37.integration and how do you feel that you are seen? It depends really

:27:38. > :27:41.where I am. It depends what time of day I'm travelling. I've said

:27:42. > :27:44.actually before that in most areas of London, especially in Central

:27:45. > :27:48.London I do feel quite safe. There is a sizeable Muslim population in

:27:49. > :27:51.London. So I think people are quite used to our presence here. It might

:27:52. > :27:56.be very different in the rest of the UK and from what I've heard it is

:27:57. > :27:58.and there is different statistics of attacks and things like that, but

:27:59. > :28:02.then, you know, at the same time when I travel late at night, and you

:28:03. > :28:05.know, I'm on the Tube and people are very drunk and there is a kind of

:28:06. > :28:08.hostility that you can feel like people can make comments or they can

:28:09. > :28:14.just give you horrible looks and you know what it is, you know. Are you

:28:15. > :28:18.reassured now that the Metropolitan Police Commissioner has said this

:28:19. > :28:22.incident in Finsbury Park was clearly an attack on Muslims and the

:28:23. > :28:25.community will now see more police including armed officers in the area

:28:26. > :28:31.particularly around religious establishments. Has what has

:28:32. > :28:34.happened here kind of changed, sort of brought this effectively out into

:28:35. > :28:38.the open in a way that's being discussed and looked at more

:28:39. > :28:42.closely? I mean, I think, it's really promising and it's good that

:28:43. > :28:44.it's actually being referred to as a terrorist incident number one. I

:28:45. > :28:49.think that's really important and it has helped a lot of Muslims be able

:28:50. > :28:52.to deal with the reality of it knowing that people do see it as

:28:53. > :28:55.terrorism, but unfortunately, it's not really enough and we have to

:28:56. > :29:00.look at how are these kind of opinions really coming out? What

:29:01. > :29:03.are, you know, we see this kind of Islamophobia being reproduced this

:29:04. > :29:06.the press time and time again. We have to ask how these people,

:29:07. > :29:11.because it's not just this terror attack, this might have been the

:29:12. > :29:16.most serious one against Muslims in a while, but you know the same year

:29:17. > :29:20.that Lee Rigby was murdered we had a 75-year-old man in Birmingham who

:29:21. > :29:24.was walking home from the mosque, he was stabbed and killed. It is not

:29:25. > :29:29.really a new thing for the Muslims, but it might be a new thing for

:29:30. > :29:32.wider society to recognise, but women have their scarfs pulled off

:29:33. > :29:36.in the day and are spat on. These kind of things keep happening and we

:29:37. > :29:41.have to look at Hamas opinions, what kind of opinions are actually e-Six

:29:42. > :29:44.Nationsly radicalising you know the people that are responsible for this

:29:45. > :29:52.kind of Islamophobic abuse and violent attacks. You wanted to come

:29:53. > :29:56.in... Yeah, I felt like, it's almost become like a nOlal thing. It's

:29:57. > :30:01.normalised. It's almost become like, you know, like the norm for Muslim

:30:02. > :30:04.women to walk up the street and expect to have their hijabs pulled

:30:05. > :30:10.off and to expect comments being made and I do feel like, it is

:30:11. > :30:14.important and it is, you know reassuring that we have an increased

:30:15. > :30:18.presence of police especially around mosques and other places of worship,

:30:19. > :30:24.but I do feel as people we need it start asking questions. We need to

:30:25. > :30:27.start addressing the underlying issue of Islamophobia and hate crime

:30:28. > :30:34.and why they happen in the first place and how we as a society can

:30:35. > :30:38.tackle it? You were at Borough Market, you were working in security

:30:39. > :30:43.in Borough Market when that happened and you also went to Finsbury Park

:30:44. > :30:45.as well. What's your view on the kind of way, the responses to these

:30:46. > :30:51.different attacks? Do you mean from the community or

:30:52. > :30:56.the media? The media and the community? For the most part, when

:30:57. > :31:03.you look at the incidents that take place, the route of it is you are

:31:04. > :31:08.dealing with a lot of people who're misinformed and uneducated. What

:31:09. > :31:13.I've seen from the community is quite a promising response. People

:31:14. > :31:17.are very clear that there is a distinction between that of those

:31:18. > :31:21.who carry out extremist attacks if the name of religion and those

:31:22. > :31:25.who're sincere believes in a religion like myself. There were

:31:26. > :31:28.many who did not know that I was a Muslim, so when these men came

:31:29. > :31:34.towards us with the knife saying, this is for Allah, my first thought

:31:35. > :31:38.was, not the Allah I serve, because that's so far-fetched from where we

:31:39. > :31:43.are guided to by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. We just

:31:44. > :31:48.don't condone that. We don't stand for that at all. I want to bring in

:31:49. > :31:53.the head of Finsbury Park mosque on the phone. Thank you very much for

:31:54. > :31:58.joining us. Four terror attacks now in the UK in three months but the

:31:59. > :32:06.first that has specifically targeted Muslims. What is your reaction to

:32:07. > :32:11.that? Well, it's shocking. We have been shocked by the incident

:32:12. > :32:16.yesterday or the day before. As we have been shocked by the terrorist

:32:17. > :32:22.attack which happened in Manchester, Westminster and London Bridge.

:32:23. > :32:27.Terrorists have no religion. We are all united against the terrorist

:32:28. > :32:30.attacks. These extremists, wherever they come from, or whatever

:32:31. > :32:37.background they come from, their aim is to divide us, to create fear,

:32:38. > :32:42.division and hatred. We'll not let them do that. Yesterday in Finsbury

:32:43. > :32:47.Park, we showed how we can get together as communities. We have

:32:48. > :32:51.hundreds of people come to a vigil yesterday outside the mosque. Faith

:32:52. > :32:56.leaders, community leaders, politicians, media - all got

:32:57. > :33:01.together to send a strong message to the extremists that they'll not win

:33:02. > :33:07.over us and we are all united against their hatred and their

:33:08. > :33:12.attack on our communities. Yesterday we had the Prime Minister, Theresa

:33:13. > :33:16.May, she come to visit the mosque and listened to the concerns of the

:33:17. > :33:20.community, the faith leaders, who spoke with her about the rise of

:33:21. > :33:25.Islamophobia and how much thissish use is making a big problem to, not

:33:26. > :33:35.just the Muslim community, but to the wider side. There is a woman

:33:36. > :33:42.saying she can't go to the station at night alone any more. We are in

:33:43. > :33:48.Britain's 21st century and we'll never should let these things happen

:33:49. > :33:53.in our country. We are all united against extremists and mosques like

:33:54. > :33:59.Finsbury Park mosque doing whatever they can to prevent extremists from

:34:00. > :34:05.being in our mosque and community centres. We are doing whatever we

:34:06. > :34:10.can as mosques to make sure that we engage positively with the community

:34:11. > :34:15.and this proved yesterday when even Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Leader who

:34:16. > :34:18.came and addressed the community as well at Finsbury Park mosque, the

:34:19. > :34:23.Police Commissioner as well. This is the spirit we want, we want the

:34:24. > :34:28.spirit of unity against those that have tried to divide us. Thank you

:34:29. > :34:32.very much. Thank you also to my other guests.

:34:33. > :34:38.Still to come,we speak to a family who lived on the 15th floor

:34:39. > :34:48.and managed to escape the Grenfell Tower blaze.

:34:49. > :34:53.We'll talk to them about where they've been staying since that

:34:54. > :34:59.night. Returning to elite sport after having a child, Sarah Sterey

:35:00. > :35:03.and successful British female paralympian has been finding out

:35:04. > :35:10.what is being done to keep mums in sport.

:35:11. > :35:14.The Serious Fraud Office has charged Barclays

:35:15. > :35:17.and four former executives - including its chief

:35:18. > :35:21.executive, John Varley - with fraud over the bank's dealings

:35:22. > :35:24.with Qatar at the height of the financial crisis.

:35:25. > :35:27.Barclays raised emergency funding from Qatar in 2008 to avoid

:35:28. > :35:33.Our correspondent Simon Gompertz is here.

:35:34. > :35:40.Explain what the charges are about, Simon? This goes back to 2008, the

:35:41. > :35:46.financial crisis. If you remember, the taxpayer was called in to rescue

:35:47. > :35:50.two major banks, Lloyds and RBS, but they weren't the only ones who faced

:35:51. > :35:58.financial challenges. Barclays was one of those. Rather than calling on

:35:59. > :36:04.the taxpayer, it went to Arab oil-rich investors to raise money on

:36:05. > :36:09.its own account and in 2008, in two trans.s, it raised ?12 billion in

:36:10. > :36:13.order to keep the bank going. So at the time, it was seen as the bank

:36:14. > :36:16.that managed to rescue itself. But then questions immediately started

:36:17. > :36:22.being asked about how that money had been raised. That is what these

:36:23. > :36:27.charges relate to. So, as you say, the bank itself, Barclays Plc faces

:36:28. > :36:32.fraud charges, but also John Varley, the Chief Executive and Roger

:36:33. > :36:37.Jenkins who was a major figure in arranging that financing, Thomas

:36:38. > :36:42.Colarres, a former Chief Executive and Richard Both, high up in the

:36:43. > :36:47.bank at the time. They all face high charges, some in relation to the

:36:48. > :36:55.first money-raising in June 2008 and two of them, Mr Varley and Mr

:36:56. > :36:59.Jenkins were later fund-raising in the same year. What are the

:37:00. > :37:04.questions around how the money was raised? One is that there were

:37:05. > :37:10.advisory fees of obvious ?300 million paid to the Qataris and

:37:11. > :37:15.there's questions over the status and transparency of the fees. The

:37:16. > :37:21.other question is over a loan of over ?2 billion that was made by

:37:22. > :37:25.Barclays to the Qataris and there's a suggestion that some of that money

:37:26. > :37:28.might have been used then to help them financially when they were

:37:29. > :37:38.buying shares in Barclays to shore up the company. So both of those

:37:39. > :37:42.things at the Serious Fraud Office's attention. Nine years ago, these

:37:43. > :37:47.investigations have been going on for five years, this is the first

:37:48. > :37:51.time that a British bank Chief Executive has faced criminal fraud

:37:52. > :37:57.charges over events that happened during the financial crisis. Thank

:37:58. > :38:00.you very much. Now let us catch up with all the news with Annita in the

:38:01. > :38:03.newsroom. The family of a man arrested

:38:04. > :38:06.after a terror attack near a London mosque say they are "shocked"

:38:07. > :38:09.and "devastated". Father-of-four Darren Osborne,

:38:10. > :38:11.was held on suspicion of attempted murder and terror offences

:38:12. > :38:14.after a van hit Muslim Last night, the Mayor of London,

:38:15. > :38:18.Sadiq Khan, addressed a vigil Make sure we remember

:38:19. > :38:25.that these terrorists, whatever their inspiration,

:38:26. > :38:29.do not speak for the vast, vast majority of people,

:38:30. > :38:31.and what they want to do is attack our values,

:38:32. > :38:35.our freedoms and the respect we have for each other,

:38:36. > :38:38.and we are not going The Serious Fraud Office has charged

:38:39. > :38:45.Barclays and four former executives including its former chief

:38:46. > :38:48.executive, John Varley with fraud. The charges relate to emergency

:38:49. > :38:54.funding the bank raised from Qatar and Abu Dhabi in 2008 to avoid

:38:55. > :39:23.a bail out. The payments were recorded

:39:24. > :39:25.by the Government's newly formed It said 78 families had been

:39:26. > :39:30.rehoused either locally or in neighbouring boroughs and that

:39:31. > :39:41.126 hotel places had been secured. It's the final chance

:39:42. > :39:44.for the Lions players to impress They're playing their last warm up

:39:45. > :39:47.game before Saturday's first test Jack Nowell has scored the only try

:39:48. > :39:55.of the match so far, Other than that, two penalties

:39:56. > :39:59.apiece and at half time, A crucial victory for

:40:00. > :40:02.the England under 21s Nathan Redmond scores the winner

:40:03. > :40:06.as they come from behind They're top of their group

:40:07. > :40:19.and will qualify for the semi Andy Murray plays a Brit on Centre

:40:20. > :40:23.Court this afternoon, saying another successful week in London will be a

:40:24. > :40:28.big boost to his Wimbledon preparations. And that is all the

:40:29. > :40:31.sport for you for now. Much more after 10.

:40:32. > :40:34.Around 80 of the families who lost everything in the Grenfell tower

:40:35. > :40:37.fire are being rehoused this week, as the slow process of recovery

:40:38. > :40:44.The initial ?5 million fund allocated to support them has begun

:40:45. > :40:49.to be distributed; around 180 families have received ?5,000.

:40:50. > :40:52.But the greatest cost of the tragedy was in human lives.

:40:53. > :40:56.It is understood that at least 79 people died and there's been anger

:40:57. > :40:58.at the official response and what some call the chaos

:40:59. > :41:03.The government and the Kensington council have come in for

:41:04. > :41:08.The government has now written to local authorities

:41:09. > :41:11.across the country, asking them to check if tower blocks have been

:41:12. > :41:13.cladded using similar materials to those at the Grenfell site.

:41:14. > :41:17.Jim Reed is here with the latest on that part of the investigation.

:41:18. > :41:20.There are now a series of investigations going

:41:21. > :41:26.And they'll look at the materials used in the construction.

:41:27. > :41:29.If we look at the outside of Grenfell Tower.

:41:30. > :41:35.There's a number of reports that the fire started

:41:36. > :41:47.The first call to the fire service at five to midnight.

:41:48. > :41:55.By 01.15 there were reports it had reached the 17th floor.

:41:56. > :42:00.That's had fire safety experts very worried, it simply

:42:01. > :42:07.This is footage first aired on the BBC's Panorama programme last

:42:08. > :42:11.night of Firefighters on the way to the blaze.

:42:12. > :43:03.So that shows just how out of the ordinary this was?

:43:04. > :43:07.Yes so the question is how did the fire spread so quickly?

:43:08. > :43:18.But a lot of attention still on the cladding

:43:19. > :43:28.Last year there was a ?10 million project to improve the block.

:43:29. > :43:31.Covered the building in something called ACM, stands

:43:32. > :43:54.It's two sheets of metal with a filler inside. The brand is called

:43:55. > :43:59.Reynerbond. That is the brand that was used. There are three different

:44:00. > :44:03.types of that material with different levels of protection. From

:44:04. > :44:07.speaking to the supplier, we think they used the most flammable

:44:08. > :44:11.version, the least fire retardant, the one with a so-called plastic

:44:12. > :44:14.core. That version is banned in much of the US and Europe to buildings of

:44:15. > :44:22.this height. So why are these panels

:44:23. > :44:27.allowed in the UK? Well the government says says,

:44:28. > :44:29.in fact, they are not. And using them above 18m

:44:30. > :44:32.would breach building regulations. This was the chancellor

:44:33. > :44:38.speaking over the weekend. My understanding is that the

:44:39. > :44:42.cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe

:44:43. > :44:46.and the US, is also banned here. That is my understanding. So why did

:44:47. > :44:50.it go up? So there are two separate questions, one is, are our

:44:51. > :44:55.regulations correct, do they permit the right kind of materials and ban

:44:56. > :44:57.the wrong kind of materials? Second question is, were they correctly

:44:58. > :44:59.complied? The company which supplied

:45:00. > :45:11.the panels told us that And in fact they would not be

:45:12. > :45:24.banned at all in the UK. There appears to be confusion. One

:45:25. > :45:27.person I spoke to describes them as clear as mud so presumably it's

:45:28. > :45:30.something the Government will be looking at. They have now written to

:45:31. > :45:35.every council in the country saying, if you use panels like this, you

:45:36. > :45:40.need to send samples as quickly as possible so that they can be tested

:45:41. > :45:44.to see how fire retardant they are. I should mention the main contractor

:45:45. > :45:47.said it did meet all required building regulations and the company

:45:48. > :45:52.which installed the panels said it was not aware of any link between

:45:53. > :45:59.the fire and the exterior cladding to this tower.

:46:00. > :46:02.As those investigations continue, stories of how people survived

:46:03. > :46:08.Let's talk to Sid-Ali Atmani and his wife Rashida Ali who lived

:46:09. > :46:18.Thank you for joining us. I was watching you both while we were

:46:19. > :46:22.looking at those pictures. I mean they are distressing for anyone to

:46:23. > :46:29.look at, but that was your home. Yes. How are you coping a week on?

:46:30. > :46:38.It's hard. It's like I see everyone I know in the building and I keep

:46:39. > :46:43.remembering, my eyes I'm getting, their faces, every second. I'm

:46:44. > :46:47.remembering every few hours someone. I forget that person. I didn't know

:46:48. > :46:54.if he's safe. If that person. And most of the people I used to know,

:46:55. > :47:02.they lived on the top floors and I have been looking for them for two

:47:03. > :47:08.days after, I stayed and came back and I looked everywhere to see if

:47:09. > :47:13.they survived, but no one. All the familiar faces, no one survived. On

:47:14. > :47:19.every single level what you are coping with right now is obviously

:47:20. > :47:24.just incredibly difficult... We're feeling like we're still there.

:47:25. > :47:28.That's what we feel. We feel like it's a dream. It's not true. It's

:47:29. > :47:34.not happening. It's like, even now I'm sitting down here and I'm

:47:35. > :47:41.watching the building, nobody can believe that what happened. What

:47:42. > :47:49.help have you had? At the beginning, we wasn't happy. We were unhappy

:47:50. > :47:52.because I think the council, they haven't set up properly a programme

:47:53. > :48:01.like bringing groups to deal with it. For example one of the families

:48:02. > :48:05.have a victim and while we are based in hotel, there is old ladies, their

:48:06. > :48:10.condition is very bad. They should have sent the first priority, they

:48:11. > :48:14.have to prioritise and send the doctors to the hotels and send

:48:15. > :48:17.counsellors to the hotels, not asking people to go to the doctors

:48:18. > :48:23.or if you need help. They should have done it. They should... So

:48:24. > :48:27.immediately after it had happened and you got had got out with your

:48:28. > :48:32.lives, although with nothing else, where did you go? Where did you

:48:33. > :48:38.stay? We stayed the first night I was in hospital. From He was in

:48:39. > :48:46.hospital. My wife, she stayed with her mum. I took my daughter to my

:48:47. > :48:52.mum, first to my friend and I came back, I stayed awake, going through

:48:53. > :48:55.all the centres, going, I was standing with the ambulance all

:48:56. > :49:01.night to see if my friend made it, if anyone came out, if the children

:49:02. > :49:04.we used to go to school every morning together, are they all

:49:05. > :49:10.saved. I didn't recognise anyone. There was a lot of people in the

:49:11. > :49:15.building and my neighbour is called Steve, he didn't make it. Yeah,

:49:16. > :49:20.Steve. He was a friendly guy. He has four dogs. We used to chat every

:49:21. > :49:27.morning, every day. He was a great man. I just felt like I left hill

:49:28. > :49:32.behind. Because I didn't recognise there is a fire. I just went down

:49:33. > :49:38.just to see maybe I will come back again. And I just left. I took my

:49:39. > :49:41.daughter and I left. I didn't knock on my neighbours and that's

:49:42. > :49:49.really... These things are obviously playing over and over. Why I didn't

:49:50. > :49:54.do that, why Save someone next to me or anyone. It is completely

:49:55. > :49:59.understandable that will be causing you concern going forward. I was

:50:00. > :50:04.sleeping to be honest with you. My wife, she smelt and she came to me

:50:05. > :50:13.and said, "I smell smoke." I was very ill. I wasn't, I couldn't even

:50:14. > :50:17.stand. She had to help me to go to use the toilet or to wash. I

:50:18. > :50:21.couldn't eat. I zbt eat for three days. He had a high temperature the

:50:22. > :50:25.night before and I was giving him medication. She was about to tell me

:50:26. > :50:30.we go to hospital, we go in the ambulance. I told him, I will carry

:50:31. > :50:34.you. I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's a small fire. Just go

:50:35. > :50:38.down and you will come back. As soon as I left the building with my

:50:39. > :50:42.daughter and I turn and I saw half of the building burning. You just

:50:43. > :50:45.left my daughter with a stranger and I ran back inside. I went to the

:50:46. > :50:51.second floor and then I was stopped and I told them my husband, he can't

:50:52. > :50:57.walk, can you bring him? I give the key and no one could reach him

:50:58. > :51:02.really in that time. I thought I lost him. I didn't want to turn back

:51:03. > :51:07.after 20 minute to say my daughter and say to her, "I don't think your

:51:08. > :51:12.dad's coming out. I don't think he can make it." He came after I lost

:51:13. > :51:20.hope. He came out like drowsy, didn't know where he is. I heard a

:51:21. > :51:26.sound. It was a very strange sound, the window, because I was sleeping

:51:27. > :51:30.in my daughter's room. I didn't want to be ill. I stayed in the other

:51:31. > :51:38.room and I heard some things like, even though I was sick and I can't

:51:39. > :51:44.describe that sound. And when I opened the window I saw fire. I saw

:51:45. > :51:49.fire in the window going up. I said my god, my wife she is all right,

:51:50. > :51:52.that's what is going on. Are you both getting support in terms of

:51:53. > :51:56.being able to actually talk to people about this? Because, you

:51:57. > :52:01.know, obviously there is a lot of discussion around the practical

:52:02. > :52:06.assistance, the fund. Firstly have you had money from the fund?

:52:07. > :52:13.Yesterday. Yesterday we had. On Fridayle we had ?500 from the

:52:14. > :52:18.council. Then yesterday we went back to Portobello Post Office and they

:52:19. > :52:25.were giving ?500 to adults. We had ?1,000. Yeah. So that's something to

:52:26. > :52:30.help you start, but I asked also about, you know, the other support

:52:31. > :52:38.just the sort of human support. What are you... There is a lot of, we did

:52:39. > :52:41.yesterday. There is a lot of donations, Muslim, British people,

:52:42. > :52:46.they come from everywhere. Everywhere. That's why I wasn't

:52:47. > :52:53.happy because they organised very fast, it was very fast, more faster

:52:54. > :52:56.than the counselling they did. Talk us through them. You say at the

:52:57. > :53:01.beginning you were in hospital, you went to your mum's and then have you

:53:02. > :53:07.been staying in hotels subsequently? I have been, we went to the hospital

:53:08. > :53:14.for one night and then we have been told that we are in Hammersmith and

:53:15. > :53:21.then I went back Friday to the rugby club because we were meeting there

:53:22. > :53:26.with other people who survived. And I didn't know everyone is going to

:53:27. > :53:35.westway, I was in the rugby club most of the time. I waited until the

:53:36. > :53:43.evening to be told where to go and around 6.30pm... Who told you? It

:53:44. > :53:49.was the council. The officers, they were calling me and social worker

:53:50. > :53:52.and people was like, keep calling and telling me did you get

:53:53. > :53:59.somewhere? I said no, I'm still waiting. In the end, through the

:54:00. > :54:03.evening, they told me to go to where we are now, Kensington high street,

:54:04. > :54:08.the Tower Hotel. When I went there, my name wasn't on the list and the

:54:09. > :54:15.receptionist couldn't find my name and anything and I was so lucky,

:54:16. > :54:19.there was two ladies, a social worker just arrived and they were

:54:20. > :54:23.arguing with them until they took my name and wrote it down and then they

:54:24. > :54:28.gave me a single room with my daughter and I told them, we are

:54:29. > :54:35.three persons and my husband is coming. I want a suitable, they

:54:36. > :54:39.say... That's only because they are following the procedures. That's all

:54:40. > :54:43.we have available. In the night again we saw the manager and we told

:54:44. > :54:48.him the situation and the manager offered us another single room. He

:54:49. > :54:54.said don't worry I will give you this. It's a very busy hotel. Two

:54:55. > :55:04.single rooms. Is that where you have been staying? My wife is away from

:55:05. > :55:09.me about two rooms. Two doors away. How long is this going to go on? I

:55:10. > :55:19.received a call yesterday from the council. Someone, a volunteer in

:55:20. > :55:26.westway, it was a guy, he was doing a job there. He saw me and he knew I

:55:27. > :55:31.was frustrated. The guy from the council gave a call and he started,

:55:32. > :55:36.he said to them, "Look, because this family, they are traumatised and."

:55:37. > :55:44.My daughter isn't sleeping. She doesn't sleep. My wife doesn't sleep

:55:45. > :55:51.because it is the ninth floor. We can't look out the windows. So I

:55:52. > :55:59.received a call from the council yesterday and she tried to provide,

:56:00. > :56:07.to find another location. She said I can't do it now because it is no way

:56:08. > :56:12.to do it. There is many people. ." I said to her why are people on high

:56:13. > :56:16.floors? She said, we know about the deaf stags, we tried to get the

:56:17. > :56:22.ground floor, for everyone, but we couldn't. Have you had any word on

:56:23. > :56:28.when you might get accommodation that you can actually move into? No,

:56:29. > :56:33.nothing. Today, I'm expecting a call today from the council. She will

:56:34. > :56:40.give me a call today regarding... So what do you need? And what do you

:56:41. > :56:48.want right now? We want, we're hoping, we're hoping, the council,

:56:49. > :56:53.mistakes happen. They panicked luke we're panicked. We're not blaming

:56:54. > :56:58.the council. We're blaming no one. We understand the situation. We

:56:59. > :57:08.understand what we are, what's going to happen. We understand that, but

:57:09. > :57:12.we need support, physically, to come to us, mentally. They need to come

:57:13. > :57:19.to the hotels. They need to speak to us and keep us updated. There is

:57:20. > :57:28.nothing happening. And we heard recently the council has put their

:57:29. > :57:35.hand up and they gave all the process to different councillors.

:57:36. > :57:39.The victims are scared, they start to think negatively and they say...

:57:40. > :57:44.If you have to move away? From the borough, from where we used to live.

:57:45. > :57:51.Where we had all our family. We were hoping our council... Health issues,

:57:52. > :57:57.everything. We're willing to help them to support the council. You

:57:58. > :58:02.want to stay in the area... Wet can't. We know nothing. We don't

:58:03. > :58:12.know nothing. If they come to speak to us and tell us we're here. To

:58:13. > :58:17.give us peaceful. Mama is an old lady. She is lives in the second

:58:18. > :58:21.floorment her condition is very bad. She can't take that. There is

:58:22. > :58:26.another Syrian, as well, she is a lovely lady. She is disabled as

:58:27. > :58:30.well. You know the Syrian who escaped with his... With his

:58:31. > :58:34.brother. The one wearing the glasses, the Syrian. They escaped,

:58:35. > :58:40.but she is with us in hotel. She is terrified. She is hugging all the

:58:41. > :58:53.time and she is terrified. We are all terrified. I just want to say I

:58:54. > :58:59.really have a lot of anger to the organisation, TMO, the TMO failed

:59:00. > :59:03.everyone living in the area. They were ignoring everything. They were

:59:04. > :59:08.ignoring people... You have been going back, concerns of residents...

:59:09. > :59:14.Yes. Was it something that you had raised? Yeah. We have been going in

:59:15. > :59:20.meetings since we moved to the building. What time was that? We

:59:21. > :59:25.moved two years ago. Everything was still like going on in the building.

:59:26. > :59:32.They were changing and fixing the building at that time. I saw all the

:59:33. > :59:35.neighbours, they were angry. They were complaining complaining. They

:59:36. > :59:40.were having meetings with the council. There was that big

:59:41. > :59:46.refurbishment. Nearly ?10 million was spent. The inside didn't look

:59:47. > :59:51.good. It doesn't look good. They didn't do anything inside. They

:59:52. > :59:56.changed a boiler and they did the boiler next to the door, the flat

:59:57. > :00:02.door. The entrance of the main flat. I used to sleep if this boiler blows

:00:03. > :00:11.up how am I going to leave the flat? We told him... We refused and they

:00:12. > :00:17.did it. They did it. They said, "Don't worry, this system is safe.

:00:18. > :00:20.Everything is safe." People used to come every Saturday knock on the

:00:21. > :00:28.door to want to fit a new gas pipe in the front of the door. That's

:00:29. > :00:31.recently. It was a few months now. They only come Saturday. One of the

:00:32. > :00:36.neighbours says, "I will take your picture and I will make sure if this

:00:37. > :00:41.is right." They left. They say, "No, we will come back again." They ran

:00:42. > :00:53.out. It's like there was something going on.

:00:54. > :01:01.We used to stay half an hour. The lift was broken. How is your

:01:02. > :01:05.daughter, your ten-year-old, you said she's really struggling? She

:01:06. > :01:10.didn't want to go out or go to school and she was telling me, I

:01:11. > :01:14.can't sleep because I don't want to wake up again and the same thing

:01:15. > :01:22.happen, I don't want to see fire again. It took her two to three

:01:23. > :01:31.nights to just feel, you know, calmer. When I went out and opened

:01:32. > :01:36.the main door and saw the smoke, it was everywhere. I couldn't see

:01:37. > :01:43.anything through the smoke and oh, my God, I closed the door, it's the

:01:44. > :01:49.first action, that's what I reacted to, I closed the door. I thought I

:01:50. > :01:55.lost him. Yes. I'm just so sorry to hear what you've been through. I was

:01:56. > :02:00.so glad when I seen him came out, I was glad, happy, everything.

:02:01. > :02:05.Everything was mixed and I felt like I can breathe now. We wish you the

:02:06. > :02:10.best with rebuilding your lives, it's leerily not going to be --

:02:11. > :02:14.clearly not going to be easy but we hope you get all the support. We are

:02:15. > :02:21.very sorry for our friends who passed away, we are very sorry for

:02:22. > :02:26.them. Our hearts, all of us, we are with their family because their

:02:27. > :02:32.family they can't come. Thank you, thank you very much, thank you.

:02:33. > :02:37.Let's catch up with the weather now. Thank you very much. Yesterday was

:02:38. > :02:43.the hottest day of the year so far. We got to 32.5. For many today, it's

:02:44. > :02:49.going to stay hot. There will be one or two subtle changes. The hottest

:02:50. > :02:56.of the weather today will be across the west and south-west of England.

:02:57. > :02:59.Look at this cold front moving south, introducing fresher

:03:00. > :03:03.conditions, more cloud and a breeze towards the north-east and eastern

:03:04. > :03:08.England. Temperatures will be about 17 there, about ten lower than

:03:09. > :03:28.yesterday. Towards the south and south-west, up to 30-32.

:03:29. > :03:34.For England and Wales, a hotter day on Wednesday. Temperatures

:03:35. > :03:38.potentially about 34 in the south-east. That hotter air moving

:03:39. > :03:54.back further north into the north-east.

:03:55. > :03:59.Last night, hundreds attended a vigil in Finsbury Park to show

:04:00. > :04:01.solidarity with the Muslim community after yesterday where a van

:04:02. > :04:10.was driven into a crowd of Muslim worshippers.

:04:11. > :04:16.It's almost the norm for women to have their hijabs being ripped off

:04:17. > :04:20.and to have comments being made. Is enough being done to tackle it? We

:04:21. > :04:26.speak to someone who used to be part of the violent far right group

:04:27. > :04:34.Combat 18 who now helps to deradicalise others. The family tell

:04:35. > :04:40.us of the guilt and trauma of surviving. I remember every few

:04:41. > :04:45.hours, I forget that person's face, I didn't know if he was safe, if it

:04:46. > :04:50.was that person and the people I used to know, they lived on the top

:04:51. > :05:01.floors, all the familiar faces, no-one survived.

:05:02. > :05:03.Are tower blocks still appropriate places to live?

:05:04. > :05:09.We'll be discussing that and finding out what more can and should be done

:05:10. > :05:25.where gay men have reportedly been taken and tortured.

:05:26. > :05:27.Good Morning, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:05:28. > :05:38.The family of a man arrested after a terror attack near a London

:05:39. > :05:40.mosque say they are "shocked" and "devastated".

:05:41. > :05:42.Father-of-four Darren Osborne, was held on suspicion of attempted

:05:43. > :05:44.murder and terror offences after a van hit Muslim

:05:45. > :05:48.Last night, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, addressed a vigil

:05:49. > :05:56.The Serious Fraud Office has charged Barclays and four former executives

:05:57. > :05:59.including its former chief executive, John Varley with fraud.

:06:00. > :06:02.The charges relate to emergency funding the bank raised from Qatar

:06:03. > :06:06.and Abu Dhabi in 2008 to avoid a bail out.

:06:07. > :06:12.More than ?200,000 has now been handed out to 180 families affected

:06:13. > :06:16.by the Grenfell Tower fire in west London.

:06:17. > :06:20.The payments were recorded by the government's newly formed

:06:21. > :06:26.It said 78 families had been rehoused either locally

:06:27. > :06:29.or in neighbouring boroughs, and that 126 hotel places

:06:30. > :06:47.A couple who lived on the 15th floor with their daughter said they had

:06:48. > :06:52.been temporarily housed on the ninth floor of a hotel. My daughter

:06:53. > :06:57.doesn't sleep, my wife doesn't sleep because it's on their mind. It's the

:06:58. > :07:07.ninth floor. We can't look out of the windows. I receive a call from

:07:08. > :07:13.the council yesterday and she tried to provide and to find another

:07:14. > :07:17.location. Yes. She said, I can't do it now because there is no way to do

:07:18. > :07:23.it. There's many people. Many people have been trying. I said to her, why

:07:24. > :07:28.people live on high floors and she said, we know about this

:07:29. > :07:30.devastation, we tried to get a ground floor for everyone and we

:07:31. > :07:31.couldn't. An American student,

:07:32. > :07:34.who was freed last week by North Korea after spending 15

:07:35. > :07:37.months in prison, has died. Otto Warmbier , who was 22,

:07:38. > :07:40.was in a coma when he was His family has accused

:07:41. > :07:43.North Korea of torturing him after he was arrested for stealing

:07:44. > :07:46.a propaganda sign. The pound has fallen

:07:47. > :07:49.sharply against the dollar after the Governor of the Bank

:07:50. > :07:52.of England said he was against raising interest

:07:53. > :07:54.rates any time soon. Speaking at the Mansion House

:07:55. > :07:57.earlier this morning, Mark Carney said Brexit negotiations

:07:58. > :08:00.meant it wasn't the time to increase the cost of borrowing

:08:01. > :08:13.from its historic low From my perspective, given the mixed

:08:14. > :08:17.signals on consumer spending and investment, and given the subdued

:08:18. > :08:21.inflationary pressures, in particular anaemic wage growth, now

:08:22. > :08:25.is not yet the time to begin that adjustment. In the coming months, I

:08:26. > :08:30.would like to see the extent to which weaker consumption growth is

:08:31. > :08:35.offset by other components of demand, where the wages begin to

:08:36. > :08:39.firm and more generally, how the economy reacts to the tighter

:08:40. > :08:42.financial conditions and the reality of Brexit negotiations.

:08:43. > :08:45.A van driver has been killed after migrants put tree trunks

:08:46. > :08:49.onto the motorway to stop traffic near the French port of Calais.

:08:50. > :08:53.The incident happened in the early hours of the morning on the A16

:08:54. > :08:55.motorway after the van, registered in Poland,

:08:56. > :08:58.hit a lorry which had been blocked by the tree trunks.

:08:59. > :09:02.Nine Eritrean migrants were found in one of the lorries.

:09:03. > :09:05.A teenage boy has drowned in a reservoir in Rochdale

:09:06. > :09:10.He was reportedly swimming with friends at the Greenbooth Reservoir

:09:11. > :09:16.A police spokesman said there are not thought to be any

:09:17. > :09:18.suspicious circumstances surrounding his death

:09:19. > :09:24.Scientists have begun human trials of a cholesterol-lowering vaccine

:09:25. > :09:29.The injection is designed to stop fatty deposits

:09:30. > :09:33.It would offer patients an alternative to taking daily pills

:09:34. > :09:36.to cut their risk of stroke, angina and heart attacks.

:09:37. > :09:40.The number of tests carried out in England to identify if people

:09:41. > :09:44.have issues such as sleep apnoea, has doubled in the last nine years.

:09:45. > :09:48.It's believed one and a half million people across the UK

:09:49. > :09:51.have the condition, which can cause sufferers to stop breathing

:09:52. > :10:15.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:10:16. > :10:21.Coming up, we'll hear from Philip Hammond. Get in touch with us if

:10:22. > :10:37.your thoughts. Now the sport. The Lions are in

:10:38. > :10:45.action. Warren Gatland says there are still places for the side. Jack

:10:46. > :10:50.Nowell with the first try of the half, the winger scampering over the

:10:51. > :10:54.line. Ian Henderson was attempting to drive over, but the referee

:10:55. > :11:01.decided to award a second penalty try. In a sliingtly more expansive

:11:02. > :11:05.move, Jack Nowell again finding space for his second try. It's

:11:06. > :11:11.turning into a very comfortable victory. The latest score with about

:11:12. > :11:17.ten minutes to go in Hamilton, the Lions leading 34-6. Andy Murray says

:11:18. > :11:20.winning at Queens would be a big boost to his Wimbledon preparations.

:11:21. > :11:25.He's going for a sixth title in London and a third in a row and

:11:26. > :11:29.claims he's played some of his best tennis in the tournament. He takes

:11:30. > :11:34.on another Brit on Centre Court this afternoon. It was where I won my

:11:35. > :11:38.first professional match so I have a lot of great memories over the years

:11:39. > :11:41.I've played. It's been by far my most successful tournament. I love

:11:42. > :11:48.the courts here, I like the conditions, it's very close to where

:11:49. > :11:52.I live so I get to stay at home. The surprise loser on the first day at

:11:53. > :11:56.Queens yesterday was beaten in three sets by his opponent. In Birmingham,

:11:57. > :12:03.Naomi Brody reached the last 16 with a straight sets win over world

:12:04. > :12:09.number 39. In Birmingham yesterday, Heather Watson lost. Later on, Johan

:12:10. > :12:13.that Konta starts her campaign against her opponent. What about

:12:14. > :12:17.this for a hero's welcome. This is the Pakistan captain arriving back

:12:18. > :12:21.in Karachi after they beat India to win the ICC Champions Trophy at The

:12:22. > :12:29.Oval on Saturday. He is in that car, I promise you! Ever even after the

:12:30. > :12:32.special convoy from the airport, it took then the skipper nearly half an

:12:33. > :12:36.hour to get from his vehicle to his house, he was surrounded by his

:12:37. > :12:39.adoring fans, many of whom waited through the night to welcome home

:12:40. > :12:45.their hero which led their country to that win against their rivals and

:12:46. > :12:49.the odds too. Just before I go, time to tell you that Frankie Dettori

:12:50. > :12:53.will miss the whole of Royal Ascot which starts today after a fall at

:12:54. > :12:57.Great Yarmouth last week. He has an arm injury and will miss out on a

:12:58. > :13:08.number of well-fancied rides. That's it for now.

:13:09. > :13:16.Let's talk more about the mosque attack in London. The impact is

:13:17. > :13:23.still very raw for those caught up in the attack. Raqia's husband was

:13:24. > :13:27.injured and we can talk to her now. Thank you very much for joining us.

:13:28. > :13:35.Tell us how your husband is first of all? My husband's doing a lot better

:13:36. > :13:45.than yesterday. He's great and he's got of course a broken ankle and a

:13:46. > :13:50.muscle problem, bruised muscles which is really bad at the moment,

:13:51. > :13:56.but he's really good. I've been at the hospital all yesterday with him

:13:57. > :14:02.and I've seen others who've got hurt and we have been very lucky that

:14:03. > :14:05.east not in -- he's not in bad shape. We feel very sad for what

:14:06. > :14:13.happened with the rest of the community on Monday night. Where was

:14:14. > :14:26.he when the van drove into people? What was he doing and where was he?

:14:27. > :14:32.He was on his way coming home and he saw this elderly man and he tried to

:14:33. > :14:36.help him along with other men. There was a circle around him before they

:14:37. > :14:39.know the white van hit them. The next thing he knew was that he was

:14:40. > :14:44.on the near and he couldn't get up and he couldn't feel his legs.

:14:45. > :14:49.Nevertheless, he tried to get up and members of the community were asking

:14:50. > :14:54.him, you must stay calm. And so the numbness on his feet, and he was

:14:55. > :14:59.worried and shocked. So he was helping the man on the ground who it

:15:00. > :15:02.seems had had a heart attack and subsequently died, it's not clear at

:15:03. > :15:07.this stage whether he died of the heart oi tack or having been hit by

:15:08. > :15:11.the van, but did your husband not see the van even approaching because

:15:12. > :15:18.he was helping that man? No, he was actually one of the first persons to

:15:19. > :15:24.attend to help and as the men shouted for help, you know, in the

:15:25. > :15:30.late hour, seeing somebody fall on to the near, it was quite dangerous,

:15:31. > :15:36.an elderly man as well. So the last thing at that time you would think

:15:37. > :15:44.about is actually a terrorist attack or any attack, particularly when it

:15:45. > :15:48.is the holy month of Ramadan and the atmosphere in Finsbury Park is one

:15:49. > :15:54.of the greatest places to be during the month of Ramadan. Everybody is

:15:55. > :15:57.peaceful, loving and has been going there over 20 years, we never, ever

:15:58. > :16:06.experienced such a thing. That's the last thing on your mind.

:16:07. > :16:09.Thank you very much for joining us and we hope your husband gets better

:16:10. > :16:22.soon, thank you. The issue of extremism

:16:23. > :16:25.and radicalisation in the UK is most often associated in the media

:16:26. > :16:27.with the threat of Islamist terror attacks, but one in four

:16:28. > :16:30.of the people reported to the government's deradicalisation

:16:31. > :16:32.programme are far right extremists. While the exact motivation behind

:16:33. > :16:34.Sunday night's attack near a north London mosque are not yet known,

:16:35. > :16:37.eye witnesses reported that after the attack he shouted,

:16:38. > :16:39."I want to kill Muslims". The attacker, who has been named

:16:40. > :16:42.as Darren Osborne from Cardiff, was not known to the security

:16:43. > :16:44.services in terms of So is the UK doing enough to tackle

:16:45. > :16:48.far right extremism? And could this attack

:16:49. > :16:53.have been prevented? We can now speak to Nigel Bromage,

:16:54. > :16:56.who was formerly a far-right extremist including

:16:57. > :16:58.with the violent group Combat 18. He's now reformed and works to help

:16:59. > :17:02.deradicalise others. Sabby Dhalu is from the group

:17:03. > :17:05.Stand Up To Racism. Sean Arbuthnot who has spent years

:17:06. > :17:08.working in the government's deradicalisation programme,

:17:09. > :17:09.Prevent. And Phillip Ingram,

:17:10. > :17:27.a former senior intelligence Thank you very much for joining us.

:17:28. > :17:32.Thank you. As I mentioned Nigel, one in four reports to Prevent are for

:17:33. > :17:40.far-right radicals. Those figures have come out from the reviewer, for

:17:41. > :17:44.the Government of the programme. He has said that far-right extremism is

:17:45. > :17:49.as murderous as its Islamist equivalent. Do you think we have had

:17:50. > :17:52.our eyes closed to this? I don't we have had our eyes closed, but

:17:53. > :17:55.happened professional, schoolteachers etcetera have become

:17:56. > :18:00.minister aware. So I think they have been able to highlight

:18:01. > :18:04.recommendations. So they have used the channel process to challenge

:18:05. > :18:08.extremist ideas. Are you surprised that one in four reports to Prevent

:18:09. > :18:13.are about far-right extremism? I am surprised, but it doesn't shock me.

:18:14. > :18:16.I think as time has been going on, more people have got angry. I think

:18:17. > :18:20.they have decided to take action. When you say more people have got

:18:21. > :18:25.angry, what is it, what's going on here? I just think people have

:18:26. > :18:30.misread headlines and used emotion and took their emotion and not

:18:31. > :18:34.really understood the facts. You think people have built on that and

:18:35. > :18:43.then decided that for their point of view, you know, they need to step

:18:44. > :18:49.up. Sean, you worked with Prevent. Has the threat been under estimated?

:18:50. > :18:54.Has it been allowed to grow without people actually clocking perhaps

:18:55. > :18:56.what was going on so much? To be perfectly honest with I think that

:18:57. > :19:00.the threat may have been misunderstood by the wider public,

:19:01. > :19:02.but certainly within Prevent we have been dealing with far-right

:19:03. > :19:06.extremism for sometime. You mentioned that at the moment about

:19:07. > :19:10.one in four referrals relates to the far-right. But when I was a Prevent

:19:11. > :19:13.officer working in the police, 40% of my case load related to the

:19:14. > :19:20.far-right and there are some parts of the country where there is almost

:19:21. > :19:23.a 50/50 split between far-right extremism and Islamism extremism

:19:24. > :19:27.being reported to Prevent. It's something that's been on our radar

:19:28. > :19:32.for a long time and we're doing our best to get to the bottom of the

:19:33. > :19:37.problem and solve it. So where is there a 50/50 split I believe Wales

:19:38. > :19:41.and South Yorkshire have a very close split between Islamist and

:19:42. > :19:46.far-right referrals. I think it's sitting at 30% in the East Midlands.

:19:47. > :19:49.So basically, throughout the UK, we're getting these even handed

:19:50. > :19:53.referrals sent to Prevent and in many cases the vulnerabilities that

:19:54. > :19:57.are exhibited by these individuals who are referred to Prevent are very

:19:58. > :20:03.similar. You know, they are two sides of the same coin in many

:20:04. > :20:08.respects. They may feel isolated, angry, have low self esteem,

:20:09. > :20:11.suffered bereavement and become politicised and extremist groups,

:20:12. > :20:16.whether they are far-right or Islamist, they prey on those

:20:17. > :20:21.vulnerabilities and give people easy answers to complex questions, they

:20:22. > :20:25.make people feel valued and give them a sense of belonging so we try

:20:26. > :20:30.and put in place supportive measures to safeguard people against those.

:20:31. > :20:34.Are you surprised as many people will be to hear that there is as

:20:35. > :20:41.much far-right extremism being reported to Prevent in some areas as

:20:42. > :20:45.Islamist extremism? Do you think that that has been clear to people

:20:46. > :20:49.in the wider communities? I'm not surprised, but I could understand

:20:50. > :20:54.why yourself and others might be surprised looking at those figures

:20:55. > :21:00.because I think that there is a bit of a double standard in the way we

:21:01. > :21:04.treat terrorism. I think it's perceived in the public as Islamic

:21:05. > :21:08.only problem and not really in relation to the far-right. I don't

:21:09. > :21:12.think there is this narrative that it is a consistent problem and that

:21:13. > :21:18.there is a problem of violence and terrorism on the far-right as much

:21:19. > :21:24.as it is clear of a consistent and problem and a pattern with sort of

:21:25. > :21:30.Isis-type extremism and that's clear in the public because you have just

:21:31. > :21:35.to give you a few examples. So you had in 2013, an elderly man was

:21:36. > :21:39.murdered by far-right terrorist and then he went on to actually bomb

:21:40. > :21:44.mosques in the Midlands, in the West Midlands. He was known as the Tipton

:21:45. > :21:48.Bomber and so that was in 2013 and then you had this Finsbury Park

:21:49. > :21:53.terrorist attack yesterday. Yu you've also had the violent murder

:21:54. > :21:58.of Jo Cox on the streets and you've also had a rise in violent

:21:59. > :22:02.anti-Muslim hate crime with lots of women, I saw earlier on your

:22:03. > :22:06.programme, saying that you know women wearing a hijab are targeted,

:22:07. > :22:14.that you have had a rise in anti-Muslim hate crime over a period

:22:15. > :22:18.of years and you've had far-right fascist groups targeting mosques on

:22:19. > :22:24.a regular basis and they still do. They target mosques. There is a big

:22:25. > :22:27.problem of far-right extremism and it needs to be tackled and treated

:22:28. > :22:33.and there is a link with terrorism now and I think we need to take that

:22:34. > :22:41.as seriously as we do Isis-type extremism. Philip Ingram, you are a

:22:42. > :22:47.former senior intelligence officer. In terms of police resources in the

:22:48. > :22:54.reassurance sense of things and resources deployed on the ground,

:22:55. > :22:57.has this been reflected? You might think that if there had been a

:22:58. > :23:01.nightly gathering of large numbers of people in other communities there

:23:02. > :23:06.would have been a higher profile police presence around than there

:23:07. > :23:09.was in Finsbury Park? I don't think we can criticise the police presence

:23:10. > :23:13.because the police were on the ground within a minute of the

:23:14. > :23:18.incident happening and they declared it as a terrorist incident. I'm

:23:19. > :23:21.talking in terms of a deterrent and making communities feel safe in

:23:22. > :23:25.difficult times. Police on the ground is one way of keeping the

:23:26. > :23:27.community safe and it's educating the communities as to what the

:23:28. > :23:32.threat is that's out there and I think one of the things that we have

:23:33. > :23:37.to be careful of here is giving a voice to groups that are not

:23:38. > :23:41.necessarily directly linked to atrocities and that will do is

:23:42. > :23:45.stimulate more support for those groups whether they be Islamist

:23:46. > :23:50.extremist or right-wing extremist and we have to be careful about how

:23:51. > :23:53.we're doing things. The right-wing extremism has been around for a lot

:23:54. > :23:57.longerment it was there when the terrorism was caused by Irish

:23:58. > :24:00.terrorism. Terrorism has moved on to Islamist extremism terrorism. In 20

:24:01. > :24:04.years' time, it might be a different flavour of terrorism, but the police

:24:05. > :24:07.have got a good handle on the right-wing because most is to do

:24:08. > :24:10.with public order offences. It is when national security comes in that

:24:11. > :24:15.the intelligence services get involved in it. Have things changed?

:24:16. > :24:19.What we have seen here is a similar attack to the ones carried out by

:24:20. > :24:24.Islamist extremists using a vehicle to go into a crowd of people? Well,

:24:25. > :24:29.there is, it's how people carry out attacks and there is two things that

:24:30. > :24:32.the police and intelligence services and the national intelligence

:24:33. > :24:36.services will be looking for. One is capability. Does someone have the

:24:37. > :24:40.capability to carry out an attack? When an attack is carried out with

:24:41. > :24:43.weapons and explosives, that was difficult for people to deal with.

:24:44. > :24:46.Now they have been carried out in vehicles, it is finding out the

:24:47. > :24:50.second bit which is the intent, who intends to do it? And individuals

:24:51. > :24:55.who self radicalise, who motivate themselves on an afternoon to go and

:24:56. > :24:58.do something that evening, it's very difficult for the police or the

:24:59. > :25:01.Security Services and no matter how many you've got on the ground to be

:25:02. > :25:08.able to pick that up and deal with it. Nigel, when we talk about

:25:09. > :25:12.Islamist, extremism in the wake of an attack, there is talk of how

:25:13. > :25:16.somebody was radicalised, how joined up, not necessarily always the case

:25:17. > :25:21.when something happened with a far-right attack. What is the

:25:22. > :25:25.evidence in terms of how joined up it is, what happens with recruiting

:25:26. > :25:30.and radicalising people in the far-right? Recruitment on both sides

:25:31. > :25:33.is very, very similar, you know, you take an emotion, you put a little

:25:34. > :25:37.bit of facts in and all of a sudden if you can buy into a person's

:25:38. > :25:43.vulnerabilities and offer them a vision all of a sudden they feel

:25:44. > :25:47.valued. Maybe they are going through issues at home and they are part of

:25:48. > :25:50.a normalisation, and these people are manipulated. You have to

:25:51. > :25:53.understand what these people are going through is grooming, they are

:25:54. > :25:57.being groomed for a political purpose. Thank you all, we are out

:25:58. > :26:00.of time for this discussion. I'm sure it is great to have you all on

:26:01. > :26:03.and I'm sure something we will be talking about more again. Thank you

:26:04. > :26:07.very much. Let us know your thoughts on that as

:26:08. > :26:10.well. The usual ways of getting in touch.

:26:11. > :26:13.Formal talks between Britain and EU to discuss Brexit began yesterday.

:26:14. > :26:16.And today EU ministers meet in Luxembourg to discuss the first

:26:17. > :26:20.After the vote to leave the EU a year ago, a sometimes

:26:21. > :26:23.bitter debate has raged about what exactly our future

:26:24. > :26:26.relationship with the European Union should be with some senior

:26:27. > :26:28.politicians calling for continued membership of the EU's single

:26:29. > :26:35.market and customs union, and others advocating a so-called

:26:36. > :26:38."hard" or "clean" Brexit, that would see the UK entirely

:26:39. > :26:46.A short time ago the Chancellor, Phillip Hammond, said Britain

:26:47. > :26:48.would fight for the best possible deal but that he was confident

:26:49. > :26:51.that it is possible for Britain and the EU to reach

:26:52. > :27:00.The future of our economy is inexorably linked to the kind

:27:01. > :27:06.of Brexit deal that we reach with the EU over the next 20 odd

:27:07. > :27:09.months, and I'm confident we can do a Brexit deal that puts jobs

:27:10. > :27:10.and prosperity first, that reassures employers

:27:11. > :27:13.that they will still be able to access the talent they need,

:27:14. > :27:23.that keeps our market for goods and services and capital open.

:27:24. > :27:26.Let's get some analysis on this story now.

:27:27. > :27:29.With me in the studio are three people with distinct views on how

:27:30. > :27:31.the UK should proceed in its negotiations.

:27:32. > :27:35.Chuka Umunna is a Labour MP who campaigned to remain in the EU.

:27:36. > :27:42.He voted for Article 50 in parliament, but thinks

:27:43. > :27:44.Britain should seek a "soft" Brexit settlement.

:27:45. > :27:47.Suella Fernandes, a Conservative MP who campaigned to leave the EU

:27:48. > :27:49.and Johnathan Isaby, the editor of Brexit Central,

:27:50. > :27:52.He thinks we should leave the single market and the customs union.

:27:53. > :27:59.Chuka Umunna first of all, do we actually have a real choice at this

:28:00. > :28:03.stage? Philip Hammond says we are leaving the EU. We will be leaving

:28:04. > :28:06.the single market, we will leave the customs union, the negotiations are

:28:07. > :28:10.beginning? Well, I don't think you need to take the best option off the

:28:11. > :28:14.table at the start of negotiations which is to remain a member of the

:28:15. > :28:17.single market and to remain a member of the customs union all it with us

:28:18. > :28:21.being outside of the European Union. To put it in context for your

:28:22. > :28:25.viewers, Turkey is part of the customs union, but not part of the

:28:26. > :28:28.European Union. Norway is part of the single market, but not part of

:28:29. > :28:32.the European Union. Why does this matter? It matters for people's

:28:33. > :28:37.jobs, we know that single market delivers lots of jobs, but also, if

:28:38. > :28:40.we want to end seven years of damaging austerity, we need the

:28:41. > :28:44.revenue coming into the exchequer to help make that happen. So for me, I

:28:45. > :28:49.don't think the Chancellor should be taking the best economic options off

:28:50. > :28:53.the table abouts You he has, hasn't he? Well, he doesn't have to do.

:28:54. > :28:58.Let's not forget the role of Parliament. The arithmetic in this

:28:59. > :29:01.new Parliament is final balanced and this Government is going to have

:29:02. > :29:05.could come back to Parliament and get its deal approved. So that, the

:29:06. > :29:08.idea that this is all decided by Number Ten, by Philip Hammond, and

:29:09. > :29:13.ministers, is for the birds. It's going to be decided by Parliament in

:29:14. > :29:17.a way it wasn't before. Sue, that's a good point, isn't it? Has the

:29:18. > :29:22.election changed everything actually? Prior to the election, the

:29:23. > :29:28.Government line was no deal is better than a bad deal. But talk now

:29:29. > :29:31.of a hard Brexit, has been mitigated by what we have seen happen with the

:29:32. > :29:37.election and where the Parliamentary balance lies? Well, over 80% of

:29:38. > :29:40.people during the election voted for Brexit supporting parties. Parties

:29:41. > :29:44.that made clear in their manifesto that they accept the result of the

:29:45. > :29:49.referendum and that we're going to leave the European Union. Was it

:29:50. > :29:54.clear what was meant by that Brexit? It wasn't really that well discussed

:29:55. > :29:59.during the election campaign. People knew what they were voting or and as

:30:00. > :30:04.the Chancellor made clear today and over the weekend, to get the best

:30:05. > :30:08.economic benefits, to have a jobs-led pro prosperity Brexit which

:30:09. > :30:10.is what I'm in favour of, we need to really happen into the potential of

:30:11. > :30:13.this great opportunity that our country faces. Striking strayed

:30:14. > :30:17.deals with the rest of the world which we can't do as long as we're

:30:18. > :30:21.part of the customs union. Getting back control of our immigration

:30:22. > :30:24.policy. And taking back control over our laws so coming out of the

:30:25. > :30:27.jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. All of those things are

:30:28. > :30:31.what people voted and without those Brexit doesn't mean anything.

:30:32. > :30:34.Jonathan, do you think there will be no negative impact as a result of

:30:35. > :30:40.coming out of the single market and the customs union?

:30:41. > :30:44.It's clearly going to be an interesting few years...

:30:45. > :30:53.Economically difficult or interesting? There are going to be

:30:54. > :30:57.Issues that will have to be addressed. Awe politicians should

:30:58. > :31:02.get behind securing the best deal for the UK, accepting that the

:31:03. > :31:07.Labour and Tory manifestos both accepted the... How would the best

:31:08. > :31:12.deal work for you? And what would it be? We want to see as close to

:31:13. > :31:16.tariff free trade between the European Union and the United

:31:17. > :31:21.Kingdom going forward. But also the ability to force those trade deals

:31:22. > :31:26.with other countries around the world. We still want a close

:31:27. > :31:30.relationship with neighbours. The Government have been extremely

:31:31. > :31:33.positive in their tone, there are all kinds of issues, not least

:31:34. > :31:37.security and terrorism which we need to continue to... The Government

:31:38. > :31:41.hasn't been positive in its tone. During the general election, Theresa

:31:42. > :31:44.May just after she went to see the Queen put that lectern outside

:31:45. > :31:49.Number Ten and threatened to walk off without a deal. Her tone has

:31:50. > :31:54.been absolutely appalling, not condusive to creating a good deal.

:31:55. > :31:58.On economics, let's be clear, if you are part of the customs union, you

:31:59. > :32:03.are part of a block of a dozen people who negotiate. The European

:32:04. > :32:07.Union currently has 56 of those and just going back to the single

:32:08. > :32:12.market. It's not just about, by the way, tariff free access and the

:32:13. > :32:16.tariffs on goods, it's also about non-tariff barriers, being part of

:32:17. > :32:21.this engine for social justice that sets a floor for employment rights,

:32:22. > :32:25.consumer rights and environmental protections and it makes sense for

:32:26. > :32:30.us to... Do you accept freedom of movement then? Membership of the

:32:31. > :32:34.internal market necessarily means... Freedom of movement. Let me answer

:32:35. > :32:40.your question. Freedom of movement at the moment is not unconditional

:32:41. > :32:43.so at the moment... We have freedom of movement and control over

:32:44. > :32:51.immigration policy because of our membership. That is not true. Let me

:32:52. > :32:55.finish the answer. The EU can provide for people whoa don't have

:32:56. > :32:57.the prospect of getting a job, after three months we can require them to

:32:58. > :33:04.leave. We don't do that at the moment. If we did so, we could move

:33:05. > :33:09.towards free movement of labour, as opposed to free movement of people.

:33:10. > :33:16.Lift accident Stein is not in the European Union -- Lichtenstein is

:33:17. > :33:23.not in the European Union but it's in the customs union. You said there

:33:24. > :33:27.for the benefit of viewers, sort of understanding what the different

:33:28. > :33:30.options are, viewers might be watching thinking, crikey, a year

:33:31. > :33:35.ago we voted to leave, these negotiations that have begun, there

:33:36. > :33:38.is no unifying position, no absolute clarity in terms of what is being

:33:39. > :33:45.done. Isn't that the worst position to be in? Clearly we have to move on

:33:46. > :33:53.from the referendum. You don't accept the result. I do, but there

:33:54. > :34:00.are different ways of doing this. Theresa May said, my way or the

:34:01. > :34:05.highway. The way she was proposing to do it was a job-destroying way.

:34:06. > :34:11.Do you wish your party had been more explicit in the election about what

:34:12. > :34:18.the vision was? The Labour Party set out a number of principles. Keir

:34:19. > :34:21.Starmer said he could see Britain staying part of the customs union.

:34:22. > :34:25.Harriet Harman said we have to leave. They are all over the place.

:34:26. > :34:27.Contrast that with the Conservatives. Philip Hammond has

:34:28. > :34:31.said we are leaving the customs union. That's really important for

:34:32. > :34:39.trade and the economy for jobs and prices. Being part of the customs

:34:40. > :34:43.union is a protectionist racket which puts prices up and stops us

:34:44. > :34:47.dealing with the US and China. We have a trade deficit with the EU, a

:34:48. > :34:51.trade surplus with the rest of the world. We need to help develop

:34:52. > :34:54.countries, being more sustainable with trade. The customs union

:34:55. > :34:58.punishing developing countries who want to trade into the EU customs.

:34:59. > :35:13.How much trade do you believe there is? We are buying more than we sell

:35:14. > :35:16.from the EU and have a deficit of ?71 billion. Contrast that with the

:35:17. > :35:21.rest of the world where we are selling more than we buy. The

:35:22. > :35:25.potential market for Britain for our manufacturers, financial services,

:35:26. > :35:30.it's with the rest of the world... Joanna, the answer to your question

:35:31. > :35:35.is this - the EU is our biggest customer so all the new economies,

:35:36. > :35:39.merging economies we want to get on to, we want to sell more into them,

:35:40. > :35:42.but they do not compare to the amount of trade we do with the

:35:43. > :35:49.people in the single market. They are our biggest customer. Any

:35:50. > :35:53.businessman will tell you you don't dump on your existing clients to

:35:54. > :35:58.pursue new ones, you seek to retain your existing ones and seek to get

:35:59. > :36:01.new ones. Still sell goods to the European Union after Brexit. You are

:36:02. > :36:08.saying we buy goods, we buy more from the EU than we sell, but if

:36:09. > :36:13.those trade agreements go and greater tariffs are put on the

:36:14. > :36:17.imports, then life is going to get more expensive isn't it? Well, no,

:36:18. > :36:22.because World Trade Organisation rules kick in. I'm not scared of no

:36:23. > :36:29.deal. But are you certain that life will not get more expensive in We

:36:30. > :36:34.use the trade organisation rules already, they protect us from

:36:35. > :36:41.punitive tariffs. We only use those WTO rules at the moment as part of

:36:42. > :36:45.the European Union. To act individually in the World Trade

:36:46. > :36:50.Organisation, we need to... We can only do that by leaving the customs

:36:51. > :36:54.union. Are the three of you... Negotiating with the EU members

:36:55. > :36:58.who're part of that organisation. People talk about us... Yon than

:36:59. > :37:03.just a quick final question - are you confident this country is

:37:04. > :37:08.completely set up to carry out the best negotiations that we can, that

:37:09. > :37:11.the best people are in position and that we are as well prepared for

:37:12. > :37:15.this as the EU negotiators? Absolutely. That's the reason the

:37:16. > :37:20.Government's spent the last year preparing the negotiations. There

:37:21. > :37:24.are some who say we should have got on with the talks immediately after

:37:25. > :37:27.Article 50. A clear structure for the talks, a sequencing in terms of

:37:28. > :37:33.what gets talked about when, we don't seem to have had it from our

:37:34. > :37:41.Government here, have we? Yesterday, David Davis and militia Elle Barnier

:37:42. > :37:49.agreed the talks and those will happen over the coming months --

:37:50. > :37:54.Michel Barnier. Chuka is still in denial of the vote. Please don't say

:37:55. > :37:58.that, I accepted the will of the people. They voted to leave the

:37:59. > :38:05.European Union. They did not vote for... But They did not vote for a

:38:06. > :38:09.particular way of doing that. They made an argument for ?350 million a

:38:10. > :38:13.week extra to go into the NHS and they've seen precious little of

:38:14. > :38:17.that. That was the number one part of the vote leave manifesto that

:38:18. > :38:22.both these individuals supported and it hasn't been delivered on yet.

:38:23. > :38:27.Where's the ?350 million? We haven't left the EU yet. We'll pick up with

:38:28. > :38:31.you guys again because this is going to keep going, obvious, will but

:38:32. > :38:44.thank you very much for now. Now the sport.

:38:45. > :38:47.The Lions have warmed up for the first test

:38:48. > :38:49.against the All Blacks with their most emphatic

:38:50. > :38:54.They beat the Chiefs 34 points to 6 in Hamilton with four tries...

:38:55. > :38:56.Two coming from England wing Jack Nowell.

:38:57. > :38:59.Coach Warren Gatland insists places are still up for grabs for that

:39:00. > :39:02.A crucial victory for the England under 21s

:39:03. > :39:07.Nathan Redmond scores the winner as they come from behind

:39:08. > :39:11.Andy Murray begins his campaign to win a sixth

:39:12. > :39:15.He plays another Brit - Aljaz Bedene - this

:39:16. > :39:19.Saying another successful week in London will be a 'big boost'

:39:20. > :39:21.to his Wimbledon preparations Frankie Dettori will miss

:39:22. > :39:26.After a fall at Great Yarmouth last week.

:39:27. > :39:28.He has an arm injury AND will miss out on a number

:39:29. > :39:44.Almost a week on since the fire and many residents are still

:39:45. > :39:46.complaining of a lack of support from the authorities,

:39:47. > :39:48.a lack of clarity on temporary and long term housing,

:39:49. > :39:51.and by far the biggest cause for tension is conflicting numbers

:39:52. > :39:53.on just how many died in the tragedy.

:39:54. > :39:56.Our reporter Michael Cowan met up with Amanda Fernandez a local

:39:57. > :39:59.resident who whilst being evacuated from a neighbouring block herself

:40:00. > :40:02.has been volunteering day and night for almost a week.

:40:03. > :40:07.As a resident you can count the floors and know how many people

:40:08. > :40:11.lived on that floor and you know people. So between us, my friends,

:40:12. > :40:21.my mum and my family, the people that we know, we've got more than

:40:22. > :40:24.130 people that are missing. That is the Portuguese, Colombian, Spanish,

:40:25. > :40:28.Moroccan side of things. What about the rest of the people? There are

:40:29. > :40:32.other people that know people who're missing. My half's just 130. So you

:40:33. > :40:38.are saying you personally know 130 people who were in that building?

:40:39. > :40:41.Yes, minimum. And sometimes, God forgive me, but sometimes I speak to

:40:42. > :40:44.someone and they are like, oh, we haven't spoken to that person and

:40:45. > :40:51.gosh I didn't think about that person. You forget and you think,

:40:52. > :40:58.gosh I thought they lived in another block but they lived here. 130 to

:40:59. > :41:03.us, that's a lot. That's a lot. The numbers coming out in the media is

:41:04. > :41:06.wrong, that's what hurts you. You are releasing small numbers of

:41:07. > :41:12.people not really understand the crisis of it. Fiasco, crisis, chaos,

:41:13. > :41:16.it's, you know, it's something that you can't kind of programme and

:41:17. > :41:21.there's no answers, no structure, you can't process anything. And you

:41:22. > :41:26.are saying six days on from the fire, you are still having to find

:41:27. > :41:29.accommodation for people, you are still having to, you personally as a

:41:30. > :41:33.volunteer, are having to book transport for people to their

:41:34. > :41:39.hotels? No-one is being given information still? No, you have just

:41:40. > :41:45.caught me. My friend was booking a taxi for one of our friend's mums

:41:46. > :41:50.who's just been put in a hotel nearby and you just heard one of my

:41:51. > :41:53.neighbours saying we have been housed too far away. That's the

:41:54. > :41:59.situation now and it's the sixth day. There's no hot water no, gas.

:42:00. > :42:03.We are still ving having to come to sports centre or friend's houses to

:42:04. > :42:07.have a shower, you can't watch your clothes. So even in the blocks they

:42:08. > :42:13.have let people back into, there's no hot water, no gas? No. We are

:42:14. > :42:17.being told two to four weeks. I understand it's not their fault, but

:42:18. > :42:21.the information relayed doesn't make sense. There is a lot of

:42:22. > :42:25.organisations going around saying, we can help you, but there's no kind

:42:26. > :42:34.of main body saying come here and we'll give you the help, come here

:42:35. > :42:40.and this is where you can come. We are doing that now but it's way too

:42:41. > :42:47.late. When the fire was all over the news, 1 o'clock the next day, by now

:42:48. > :42:54.they should have made so many arrangements for the evacuees,

:42:55. > :42:58.survivors, get them in and start them putting in places, get the army

:42:59. > :43:00.in, I'm not even joking. So many people were thinking, the army isn't

:43:01. > :43:16.here and this was massive. Thousands of people have signed a

:43:17. > :43:21.petition saying a public inquiry should be carried out.

:43:22. > :43:23.A civil liberties lawyer who worked on the Hillsborough Independent

:43:24. > :43:29.Panel joins me now. Thank you very much for coming in. Tell us how an

:43:30. > :43:35.inquest and a public inquiry would differ? An inquest has a very

:43:36. > :43:39.specific statutory purpose, it's to determine who died, where and when

:43:40. > :43:49.the death occurred and how the deceased came by his death. It is

:43:50. > :43:52.necessarily by law deferred pending any criminal investigation and so

:43:53. > :43:56.here the current police investigation has to be concluded

:43:57. > :44:01.first. Any prosecution emerging from it has to be concluded before an

:44:02. > :44:08.inquest takes place and even then it will be within the narrow

:44:09. > :44:13.parameters. In contrast, a public inquiry has wide-ranging powers of

:44:14. > :44:17.much broader scope and should have greater resources to address a whole

:44:18. > :44:23.range of questions that will emerge here. Do the same conditions not

:44:24. > :44:28.apply for having to... That's the second difference. The public

:44:29. > :44:33.inquiry need not await the criminal sheingtion, it can be implemented

:44:34. > :44:38.and instituted immediately and that has happened before -- criminal

:44:39. > :44:41.investigation. In the Ladbroke Grove fire disaster, for example, an

:44:42. > :44:49.inquiry was set up within days, it reported within weeks and the point

:44:50. > :44:53.is, urgent, imperative, not just for the families but the public at

:44:54. > :44:57.large, the important thing is to find out what went wrong and put it

:44:58. > :45:04.right. That cannot wait for years, that has to be addressed

:45:05. > :45:08.immediately. The public inquiry can address that immediately without

:45:09. > :45:13.excluding any of the survivors, any of the families, any of the other

:45:14. > :45:19.civil society groups. It's mistaken and simply incorrect to say first of

:45:20. > :45:23.all that it's either/or, it's not, you can have both an inquest and a

:45:24. > :45:29.public inquiry where an inquest can follow in due course. Secondly, the

:45:30. > :45:32.bereaved family's survivors and the public at large can participate

:45:33. > :45:36.fully, including the questions of witnesses. Of course this is

:45:37. > :45:42.dependent upon the resources being made available to the inquiry and

:45:43. > :45:45.3-3 things that are prerequisites, funding for all participants so that

:45:46. > :45:49.there is an even playing field, consultation on the chair of the

:45:50. > :45:53.inquiry and consultation on the terms of reference of the inquiry.

:45:54. > :45:59.Thank you very much. It's absolutely undeniable that people do want quick

:46:00. > :46:04.answers. Mayor of London has said the fire was caused by mistakes and

:46:05. > :46:07.neglect and has criticised the local council's response. The authorities

:46:08. > :46:10.in Ken sing tonne and Chelsea say they have been working

:46:11. > :46:15.around-the-clock to help survivors of the fire which killed at least 58

:46:16. > :46:18.people. What more can we learn about the fire safety inside blocks like

:46:19. > :46:22.Grenfell Tower where the blocks are still appropriate places for people

:46:23. > :46:26.to live and what should be done in the aftermath of this event?

:46:27. > :46:29.We can speak now to Andy Slaughter, the Shadow Minister for Housing,

:46:30. > :46:32.Arnold Tarling, a fire saftety expert, Andrew Boff,

:46:33. > :46:34.the Conservatives lead on housing in the London Assembly,

:46:35. > :46:39.and Becka Hudson, from the Radical Housing Network.

:46:40. > :46:45.First of all, you're a chartered surveyor and fire safety expert. The

:46:46. > :46:51.Chancellor, Philip Hammond, said that the cladding was used on this

:46:52. > :46:55.building is illegal? I disagree. It is not completely clear, is it? The

:46:56. > :47:00.building regulations are a complete mess. They give a drawing called

:47:01. > :47:06.diagram 40 which says the material has to be class O. You then have to

:47:07. > :47:14.look at the back section E for a definition. Section E sends you to

:47:15. > :47:19.appendix A and appendix A in two places states categorically that if

:47:20. > :47:27.you have got two sheets of material that do not burn around the material

:47:28. > :47:35.that will burn it complies. Now, there is false news coming out from

:47:36. > :47:40.Government on the basis of a clause called 12.7. The point that you're

:47:41. > :47:45.McIng is, it's really unclear, isn't it? It's perfectly clear because the

:47:46. > :47:50.clause about insulation is not referring to metal cladding and

:47:51. > :47:54.anyway, it refers you directly back to appendix A which tells you if you

:47:55. > :48:00.have two sheets of metal you can put anything between it. Andy Slaughter,

:48:01. > :48:03.is it clear enough? Do the building regulations need to be looked at?

:48:04. > :48:09.What you just heard should persuade you that this does need urgent

:48:10. > :48:13.attention. You just dealt with what are the two key issues. One is to

:48:14. > :48:16.establish from those hundreds of thousands of people who live in high

:48:17. > :48:21.rise blocks that they are safe in their homes and the second is, I'm

:48:22. > :48:25.glad we had clarity on the public inquiry point, we need a public

:48:26. > :48:28.inquiry set-up, we need the terms of reference, I don't know why we

:48:29. > :48:33.haven't got them yet which give victims and their families the right

:48:34. > :48:37.to audience and full representation so that people can get justice. I

:48:38. > :48:40.thought those would be the two issues, they would be the two main

:48:41. > :48:46.issues we are talking about now. It's shock that we're still talking

:48:47. > :48:50.about disaster relief a week on. I have been down there every day and I

:48:51. > :48:55.spoke to the MP for Kensington and she was there yesterday and there

:48:56. > :48:59.were still people, as your interviews show are in severe need.

:49:00. > :49:05.In terms of establishing whether people in high rise homes are safe,

:49:06. > :49:13.how much progress has been made and how reassured can anyone living in a

:49:14. > :49:18.high rise home in London be now? The maintenance of tower blocks is a

:49:19. > :49:22.complex issue. I been pushing for many years now for us to effectively

:49:23. > :49:26.stop building these things and not just on the basis of their

:49:27. > :49:30.maintenance, the difficulties in maintaining them, but the social

:49:31. > :49:35.outcomes from tower blocks are pretty poor. Every survey reveals

:49:36. > :49:41.that. They don't really provide... They are not going to disappear

:49:42. > :49:44.overnight. Many people are calling for the existing 500 in London to

:49:45. > :49:52.have a programme of getting rid of them and building proper low rise

:49:53. > :49:57.homes. But also, more urgently, we have a London plan in front of us.

:49:58. > :50:02.Which needs to be amended to take into account of the fact that people

:50:03. > :50:08.don't want to live in these places. There are 263 in the pipeline at the

:50:09. > :50:13.moment to be built this London. So Becca, right here, right now, what

:50:14. > :50:20.do peel want, people living in those blocks? Well, I think firstly, it

:50:21. > :50:24.would be a huge mistake to place the blame on tower blocks and on council

:50:25. > :50:28.housing and on council tenants, that will continue. The process that we

:50:29. > :50:34.have seen for the past 30 years where council housing is disinvested

:50:35. > :50:38.and council tenants are not listened to, the Grenfell Action Group who

:50:39. > :50:41.fore warned of this disaster, they joined because they weren't being

:50:42. > :50:47.listened to on safety, on maintenance, it's not clear for them

:50:48. > :50:52.who to go to prior to this, to look at safety in the building and that's

:50:53. > :50:55.partly because of privatisation. It's because council services have

:50:56. > :50:59.been subcontracted out and the council is then able to total crisis

:51:00. > :51:03.abdicate responsibility for council tenants and it seems that has

:51:04. > :51:09.continued post the disaster in the rev lef effort. Whether this

:51:10. > :51:14.cladding was legal or not to be used in that way in this country, that

:51:15. > :51:21.block went up in flames in a way that simply shouldn't have happened.

:51:22. > :51:23.Is it possible to make all tower blocks completely the safe places

:51:24. > :51:28.that we would have expected and hoped that they are? Well, these

:51:29. > :51:32.tower blocks, this one in particular was built under the old London

:51:33. > :51:36.building Act and it complied, it would never have behaved like this.

:51:37. > :51:40.We have never have had a disast near section 20 building. It is the

:51:41. > :51:44.changes in regulations that have led to this and the old ones worked. The

:51:45. > :51:49.old ones came out of years and years after the great fire of London. We

:51:50. > :51:54.built them up. The reason London survived the Blitz without turning

:51:55. > :51:58.into a huge fireball was because of the London building Act and we have

:51:59. > :52:04.completely forgotten that and we now have these DIS asters, we have had

:52:05. > :52:07.Lakanal, we have had this, we have had timber framed disasters in

:52:08. > :52:09.London, it would never have happened if we had not got rid of the London

:52:10. > :52:14.building Act. Thank you very much. Rounded up, tortured

:52:15. > :52:18.and kept in secret prisons - the way authorities in Chechnya have

:52:19. > :52:21.been accused of treating gay people The alleged "anti-gay

:52:22. > :52:31.purge" has been condemned by Human Rights organisations

:52:32. > :52:33.and German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke out urging Russian President

:52:34. > :52:36.Vladimir Putin to help protect the rights of gay

:52:37. > :52:37.people in Chechnya. The allegations have been dismissed

:52:38. > :52:40.by the country's leader. Vice News has been given

:52:41. > :52:42.exclusive access to a prison where it's claimed the gay men

:52:43. > :53:16.have been taken. This is the Ministry for affairs. He

:53:17. > :53:21.is the warden of the town's prison. They allegedly took part in

:53:22. > :53:24.torturing 100 gay men as part of a crackdown ordered by officials.

:53:25. > :53:29.Victims claim they were locked up and attacked in the police facility

:53:30. > :53:34.and other locations in Chechnya. As soon as we arrived, we were met by

:53:35. > :53:37.police officers and we're being escorted by six cars who are taking

:53:38. > :53:42.us to one of the locations where it is alleged the victims were held. As

:53:43. > :53:43.far as we're aware, we're the first foreign journalists that have been

:53:44. > :54:26.taken here. We met several Chechen gay men had

:54:27. > :54:29.had fled to Moscow after they feared their lives were at risk. Sometimes

:54:30. > :54:33.from their own family membersment they asked for their identities to

:54:34. > :54:35.be concealed to protect their safety. Can you tell me what it's

:54:36. > :54:57.like to be a gay man in Chechnya? What's it been like having to leave

:54:58. > :55:20.your family and your friends and your life behind?

:55:21. > :55:24.Let's speak now to Hind Hassan who you saw in that report.

:55:25. > :55:32.This was a chaperoned visit. Do you feel you saw the true picture? Well,

:55:33. > :55:36.we were, of course, very cautious about going into Chechnya from the

:55:37. > :55:39.beginning because not many foreign journalist have gone there and we

:55:40. > :55:43.were warned by Human Rights organisations not to try and talk to

:55:44. > :55:46.local chet chance because it could be a danger to their lives. So we

:55:47. > :55:50.knew when we went in there things could be controlled. We would only

:55:51. > :55:52.be able to speak to high level officials or the officials

:55:53. > :55:57.authorised by them so what was important for us that we got beyond,

:55:58. > :56:02.you know, the sur vas, we continued to ask them questions that would

:56:03. > :56:06.push this particular issue and expose some things. For example the

:56:07. > :56:12.guy thaw saw at the top of that report there, he is a man who is the

:56:13. > :56:16.warden of a prison which is the location where it is alleged that

:56:17. > :56:23.these tortures and the attacks against gay Chechen men began. We

:56:24. > :56:27.spoke to him and you know he very quickly exposed his disdain to

:56:28. > :56:31.homosexuality by saying, "Do you think my men would even touch gay

:56:32. > :56:35.people if they existed let alone torture them?" We took the footage

:56:36. > :56:40.and showed it to victims who say they were held at this prison who

:56:41. > :56:45.said that they were 200% certain that he brought them to their knees

:56:46. > :56:48.and beat them. In terms of specifically seeing

:56:49. > :56:53.evidence of torture, did you see anything? Well, we were obviously

:56:54. > :56:56.very aware that by the time we went in there, any potential evidence

:56:57. > :57:00.would have been removed, but what was interesting is when they took us

:57:01. > :57:03.to this abandoned prison facility that had been named in the Human

:57:04. > :57:10.Rights organisation's report, we didn't know what to expect. We

:57:11. > :57:14.didn't know what we would see. We were taken into a room that used to

:57:15. > :57:18.be a kitchen and we saw wires hanging from the ceiling and doors

:57:19. > :57:23.that had been ripped out and debris and large pieces of wood and

:57:24. > :57:27.shattered glass. So it was a very strange place to be taken into. A

:57:28. > :57:30.second room had a corridor that ran through it on and either side there

:57:31. > :57:36.were lots of small rooms and once again, lots of debris. And it looked

:57:37. > :57:39.like a sort of secluded place. Somewhere, I mean, it's speculation

:57:40. > :57:44.that potentially you could hold people, but we were surprised that

:57:45. > :57:48.they would want to take us to a facility that looked like this. The

:57:49. > :57:52.spotlight has been shone. You were invited in all be with it a

:57:53. > :57:57.controlled visit. Do you think anything will change? Well, Human

:57:58. > :58:00.Rights organisations says because of the international pressure, because

:58:01. > :58:04.of this consolidated international pressure the focus as you mentioned

:58:05. > :58:07.international, you know, leaders, heads of states have been coming out

:58:08. > :58:13.and condemning what has been happening. Russia has put pressure

:58:14. > :58:17.on the Chechen Government to respond to this and as a result, at the

:58:18. > :58:21.moment, it seems as though the attacks against gay men have

:58:22. > :58:25.stopped. Thank you very much, Hind. Thank you for your company. I will

:58:26. > :58:45.you at the same time tomorrow. Have a lovely afternoon. Bye-bye.

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