27/06/2017

:00:00. > :00:09.It's Tuesday, it's nine o'clock - I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:00:10. > :00:13.This morning: In an exclusive interview, the mother of murdered

:00:14. > :00:15.soldier Lee Rigby tells this programme the Ministry of Defence

:00:16. > :00:18.have failed to support her family and how recent terror attacks

:00:19. > :00:38.I was so heartbroken, especially it being his anniversary and it being

:00:39. > :00:40.children. There are so many parents who are left without their children

:00:41. > :00:44.and will be feeling how we feel. We will be speaking live to Lyn

:00:45. > :01:01.Rigby and Lee's sister. How is it possible that no one yet

:01:02. > :01:09.knows whether the cladding used on Grenfell Towler was legal or not? It

:01:10. > :01:16.is happening now. It is not happening enough -- quickly enough.

:01:17. > :01:21.The testing is going on. We will try and find out.

:01:22. > :01:27.And the legend that is Ronnie O'Sullivan. COMMENTATOR: I don't

:01:28. > :01:35.believe this. APPLAUSE

:01:36. > :01:43.What a fantastic maximum break! He will talk to us about his career,

:01:44. > :01:46.politics, the novel he has written and anything else you fancy talking

:01:47. > :02:01.to him about. If you have a question, get in touch.

:02:02. > :02:08.Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:02:09. > :02:15.And, as always, really keen to hear from you.

:02:16. > :02:18.A little later in the programme we'll hear from a Sikh couple say

:02:19. > :02:20.they were told they couldn't adopt a white child because

:02:21. > :02:25.It's legal for adoption agencies to give preference to parents

:02:26. > :02:27.from the same ethnic group - but government guidelines say

:02:28. > :02:29.different racial backgrounds should not prevent a couple from adopting.

:02:30. > :02:33.Really keen to hear your experience of inter racial

:02:34. > :02:35.adoption this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE,

:02:36. > :02:52.and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:02:53. > :02:54.Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

:02:55. > :02:58.Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:02:59. > :03:01.The White House has accused the Syrian Government of preparing

:03:02. > :03:04.for a chemical weapons attack - similar to one in April,

:03:05. > :03:07.That attack led to an American missile strike

:03:08. > :03:11.The US State Department said President Assad and his military

:03:12. > :03:14.would 'pay a heavy price' if chemical weapons were used again.

:03:15. > :03:18.Back in April, 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from two US navy

:03:19. > :03:22.They were being targeted at a Syrian airbase that in western Homs

:03:23. > :03:24.province that America said had launched a deadly

:03:25. > :03:28.Several Syrian soldiers are thought to have died

:03:29. > :03:30.at the airbase and President Assad denied any involvement.

:03:31. > :03:33.It was the first direct US military action against forces commanded

:03:34. > :03:41.Tonight, I ordered a targeted military strike on the airfield

:03:42. > :03:47.in Syria from where the chemical attack was launched.

:03:48. > :03:51.It was these images that provoked President Trump to act,

:03:52. > :03:54.demonstrating a break in his foreign policy.

:03:55. > :03:56.Previously, his administration had said it had little interest

:03:57. > :04:01.But the use of a nerve agent believed to be

:04:02. > :04:02.sarin or a substance like it, changed everything.

:04:03. > :04:05.Over 80 people are thought to have died in the attack,

:04:06. > :04:12.many of them children, in the rebel-held town

:04:13. > :04:17.Now the White House has issued a statement, warning President Assad

:04:18. > :04:20.that he and his military will pay a heavy price if they launch

:04:21. > :04:23.Given President Trump's previous action, there is little doubt

:04:24. > :04:32.more reaction to come on that story later in the programme.

:04:33. > :04:35.Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:04:36. > :04:38.It's emerged that 700,000 medical documents, including

:04:39. > :04:40.test results for cancer, were put in storage instead

:04:41. > :04:48.A report by the National Audit Office says that more than 1,700 NHS

:04:49. > :04:53.patients may have been harmed by the administrative blunder.

:04:54. > :04:57.For every bit of correspondence, they were looking through it to see

:04:58. > :05:03.They're letting the patient know and getting experts to look at it.

:05:04. > :05:05.1700-odd cases they have identified potential harm.

:05:06. > :05:10.For those cases, they are looking into it more deeply to find out

:05:11. > :05:15.if there has been actual harm caused by the delay.

:05:16. > :05:18.Downing Street and the Democratic Unionists have said their deal

:05:19. > :05:22.to secure support for Theresa May's minority Conservative government

:05:23. > :05:24.makes the restoration of power sharing in Northern Ireland more

:05:25. > :05:33.The Prime Minister has been accused by Sinn Fein of jeopardising

:05:34. > :05:35.the Good Friday peace agreement by promising the DUP

:05:36. > :05:37.?1 billion of extra funding for Northern Ireland.

:05:38. > :05:40.A deal to revive power sharing at the Stormont Assembly has

:05:41. > :05:45.The mother of murdered soldier Lee Rigby has told this programme

:05:46. > :05:49.the Ministry of Defence has failed to support her family.

:05:50. > :05:52.Lyn Rigby says only her son's next of kin - his partner -

:05:53. > :05:54.received help, and "the main charities didn't want to know".

:05:55. > :05:59.Lee Rigby was killed outside Woolwich Barracks

:06:00. > :06:02.in south-east London in May 2013, by Michael Adebolajo

:06:03. > :06:06.She said the recent attacks in London and Manchester had

:06:07. > :06:09."brought everything back", but she had received no

:06:10. > :06:16.contact from the MOD to check that they were OK.

:06:17. > :06:20.A former senior intelligence adviser to the Government has warned

:06:21. > :06:22.that MI5's estimate that there are 23,500 people

:06:23. > :06:25.in the UK with links to violent extremism is just "the tip

:06:26. > :06:28.Colonel Richard Kemp has told the BBC that -

:06:29. > :06:30.despite warnings - the UK had failed to deal adequately

:06:31. > :06:33.with the now-banned extremist network, Al-Muhajiroun.

:06:34. > :06:36.The amount of public money the Queen receives to carry out her work

:06:37. > :06:39.as Head of State is to increase next year by around eight

:06:40. > :06:45.It will help to pay for repairs costing ?369 million being carried

:06:46. > :06:47.out at Buckingham Palace over the next decade.

:06:48. > :06:53.Our royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell reports.

:06:54. > :06:55.Buckingham Palace announced last November that it

:06:56. > :06:58.was setting in motion a huge refurbishment programme.

:06:59. > :07:01.It will cost some ?369 million over ten years, and among other things,

:07:02. > :07:04.it will replace wiring, pipework and boilers,

:07:05. > :07:06.which in some cases haven't been touched for more

:07:07. > :07:10.According to the Palace, they pose a potentially catastrophic

:07:11. > :07:16.Now the Palace has given more details about how

:07:17. > :07:22.Next year, the sovereign grant, the money the Palace receives

:07:23. > :07:25.to fund the official duties of the Queen and to run

:07:26. > :07:29.Buckingham Palace, will rise by just over 8% to ?82 million.

:07:30. > :07:32.The refurbishment work on the Palace hasn't started yet.

:07:33. > :07:35.Officials say they're still at the planning stage,

:07:36. > :07:38.though it's hoped some preparatory work will begin later this summer.

:07:39. > :07:40.The purpose, say officials, is to secure the future

:07:41. > :07:45.of what they describe as a cherished national asset.

:07:46. > :07:48.Critics say it's a waste of public money at a time of austerity.

:07:49. > :07:50.One republican group claims royal funding will have risen

:07:51. > :08:19.Every sample tested after the Grenfell Towler fire has failed.

:08:20. > :08:24.Concerns over external cladding combined with issues surrounding

:08:25. > :08:26.fire doors, gas pipes and insulation triggered the evacuation of five

:08:27. > :08:35.tower blocks in candid in North London. We need to take a look

:08:36. > :08:38.nationally at our building regulations and fire safety

:08:39. > :08:44.measures. We have seen across the country people failing these tests

:08:45. > :08:50.and we have to swiftly -- we acted swiftly in Camden. I have residents

:08:51. > :08:52.who need somewhere to sleep tonight and I am trying to make sure they

:08:53. > :08:55.are safe and secure. 50 years ago today, the world's

:08:56. > :08:58.first cash machine was installed outside a branch of Barclays

:08:59. > :09:00.in Enfield, London. Now there are 70-thousand in the UK,

:09:01. > :09:02.and three million worldwide. The traditional 'hole

:09:03. > :09:05.in the wall' has come a long way in half a century,

:09:06. > :09:07.as Simon Gompertz reports. The first money from

:09:08. > :09:10.a hole in the wall. You put in a voucher and a code

:09:11. > :09:14.and you got ten ?1 notes. Reg Varney, a TV celebrity

:09:15. > :09:17.of the time, had a go Less a cash machine

:09:18. > :09:23.than a mini bank. On these ones, you can even

:09:24. > :09:25.open a bank account. Signing your name, it

:09:26. > :09:28.will take my photo as well just This one shows you if someone's

:09:29. > :09:39.looking over your shoulder to steal your pin code,

:09:40. > :09:42.reassurance you might want if they close your branch

:09:43. > :09:50.to replace it with a machine. We're moving towards

:09:51. > :09:52.a no bank branch era. We used to have about 20,000

:09:53. > :09:55.bank branches in the UK Smart ATMs, as we're calling them,

:09:56. > :10:01.in the future will provide 99% of all the services that people can

:10:02. > :10:04.get from bank branches today. That is not a world everyone

:10:05. > :10:06.will welcome but the technology unleashed back in the '60s

:10:07. > :10:09.is still transforming the way The moment a 14-year-old girl

:10:10. > :10:28.was caught after falling off a theme park ride in the US has been

:10:29. > :10:30.captured on camera. Matthew Howard Senior

:10:31. > :10:33.was at the Six Flags theme park in New York State with his daughter,

:10:34. > :10:35.when he joined the The girl suffered no

:10:36. > :10:38.serious injuries. The ride has been closed while

:10:39. > :10:40.investigations are carried out. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:41. > :10:55.News - more at 9.30am. Ronnie O'Sullivan is here, and we

:10:56. > :11:01.will be talking to him at around 9:30am. Are you happy to talk about

:11:02. > :11:06.anything? Yes. I already have questions coming in. One viewer

:11:07. > :11:12.says, when is he getting married? We haven't set a date yet. We're both

:11:13. > :11:15.pretty happy with how things are. Sometime soon. Talk to you later.

:11:16. > :11:26.Very much looking forward to that. If you have a question, send a

:11:27. > :11:30.message. Sport now, and John is here. The grass court warm up

:11:31. > :11:35.tournament for Wimbledon is under way, and there is a big-name

:11:36. > :11:41.featuring this week at Eastbourne. Surprisingly, Novak Djokovic, who

:11:42. > :11:45.doesn't usually play a grass court tournament and is doing so for the

:11:46. > :11:50.first time in seven years. It shows how far he has fallen. He is world

:11:51. > :11:57.number four. He plays at Eastbourne today and he is one of -- he is the

:11:58. > :12:02.only top 15 player who is playing there at the moment. He is a big

:12:03. > :12:06.draw. He is desperate to find form. He held all four majors as he headed

:12:07. > :12:13.into Wimbledon last year, and this year he holds none. He has split

:12:14. > :12:16.with his coaching team. His new Spanish coach is something of a

:12:17. > :12:36.guru. Andy Murray is working with... It will be interesting to see how he

:12:37. > :12:40.gets on. John McEnroe says that the amount of time that they spent

:12:41. > :12:44.together is not long enough to have the desired effect. We will see when

:12:45. > :12:47.Wimbledon starts next week. What about John McEnroe's comments

:12:48. > :12:52.about Serena Williams? Interesting - he was asked whether

:12:53. > :12:56.or not she would go down as one of the all-time greats, if not the

:12:57. > :13:01.greatest player, irrelevant of gender, in tennis. In response, he

:13:02. > :13:06.said that were Serena Williams to be playing on the men's tour, she would

:13:07. > :13:17.be ranked just out the tops just might just -- just outside the top

:13:18. > :13:23.700. She has 23 grand slam titles to her name, 35 years old, a couple of

:13:24. > :13:26.months away from giving birth. Interesting that he would choose to

:13:27. > :13:27.say this when she is not playing at the moment. In response, Serena

:13:28. > :13:47.Williams said: A strong response from Serena

:13:48. > :13:53.Williams. As well as being very polite. When

:13:54. > :13:57.we get back to the football season, there could be some changes coming

:13:58. > :14:01.in regarding safe standing, couldn't the?

:14:02. > :14:07.Yes, Shrewsbury Town are seeking to become the first all-seater club to

:14:08. > :14:12.apply for safe standing. They want a space where around 400 spectators

:14:13. > :14:15.will be able to stand safely. Remember, standing was abolished

:14:16. > :14:20.back in 1990 following the Hillsborough disaster, but there

:14:21. > :14:28.have been moves afoot and Premier league clubs have asked about safe

:14:29. > :14:33.standing. Celtic have done it and have safe standing for over 2000

:14:34. > :14:42.supporters. A deal has been struck to try to try this out. Not only

:14:43. > :14:47.does it improve the atmosphere, as more people are encouraged to sing

:14:48. > :14:53.and get behind the team, but I think it is a safer environment. Our

:14:54. > :15:00.safety officer has been to Celtic to see how it works and was very

:15:01. > :15:04.pleased with how it works. I think it is only a matter of time before

:15:05. > :15:09.more clubs get into the safe standing. Ryan Caldwell there. The

:15:10. > :15:13.club should find out in the coming weeks whether that has been granted.

:15:14. > :15:15.More from John throughout the morning.

:15:16. > :15:18.In an exclusive interview the mother of murdered soldier Lee Rigby tells

:15:19. > :15:20.this programme the Ministry of Defence have failed

:15:21. > :15:24.Lyn Rigby says only her son's next of kin - his partner -

:15:25. > :15:30.received help, and "the main charities didn't want to know".

:15:31. > :15:34.She says the recent terror attacks in London and Manchester have

:15:35. > :15:36."brought everything back" of the horror of her son's murder.

:15:37. > :15:40.The Manchester attack, in which 22 people were killed

:15:41. > :15:42.by a suicide bomber, happened on the fourth anniversary

:15:43. > :15:47.Lee, a soldier, had been walking near to his barracks in South London

:15:48. > :15:52.when he was brutally attacked and murdered by two extremists.

:15:53. > :15:58.It was an attack that shocked the nation.

:15:59. > :16:01.After the death of their son, Lyn and Ian, Lee's step-father set

:16:02. > :16:08.They're now in the process of renovating a house

:16:09. > :16:11.on the grounds of a country estate in Staffordshire which will be

:16:12. > :16:13.a retreat for the families of soldiers who are killed

:16:14. > :16:20.We'll be hearing from Lyn in a moment,

:16:21. > :16:23.but first our reporter Dan Clark-Neal went and had

:16:24. > :16:35.You've got the sound of water, you know,

:16:36. > :16:49.On 22nd May, 2013, a British soldier was attacked

:16:50. > :16:51.and killed by extremists on the streets of London.

:16:52. > :17:00.His name was Lee Rigby. He was 25.

:17:01. > :17:03.Four years on, Lee Rigby's mum Lynn runs a charity set up

:17:04. > :17:07.The Lee Rigby Foundation has been given this house on the grounds

:17:08. > :17:12.Lee Rigby House will provide an escape for families whose loved

:17:13. > :17:20.ones have been killed while serving their country.

:17:21. > :17:23.Lynn says she wants to offer more support for the families of bereaved

:17:24. > :17:26.soldiers because of the lack of support on offer for her own

:17:27. > :17:39.We have a few of the veterans working on it at the minute.

:17:40. > :17:41.Military veterans and friends have been giving up their spare time

:17:42. > :17:45.So how much of a help have the veterans been?

:17:46. > :17:53.They're just trying to give something back I think.

:17:54. > :17:57.Lee Rigby House will have the space for two families to stay at the same

:17:58. > :18:01.time and there are plans to open another house for veterans too.

:18:02. > :18:05.What would it have meant for you to have had

:18:06. > :18:07.somewhere like this to come after what happened with Lee?

:18:08. > :18:09.It would have meant the world really.

:18:10. > :18:12.We had so much press, media, you know, outside the door

:18:13. > :18:19.We couldn't grieve together as a family.

:18:20. > :18:23.None of the charities really wanted to get involved with us and get us

:18:24. > :18:31.away to somewhere quiet where we can grieve as a family together.

:18:32. > :18:35.There's a lot of parents and siblings out there that

:18:36. > :18:42.are going through the same as us that are struggling.

:18:43. > :18:47.We are all ex-vets and we were in the exact same battalion as Lee.

:18:48. > :18:50.I'm in the Regimental Association and that's how it all came about.

:18:51. > :18:53.They were asking would anyone like to volunteer and I thought,

:18:54. > :18:57.why not, because it's a brotherhood at the end of the day and we decided

:18:58. > :19:03.yes, I'll try and do what I can when I can.

:19:04. > :19:05.How would you describe Lyn as a person and her

:19:06. > :19:11.She's fantastic. The way she's coped.

:19:12. > :19:13.When we first started it seemed like nothing was getting done

:19:14. > :19:16.but she just thought, I think it will get there,

:19:17. > :19:19.The bereaved families will also have full use

:19:20. > :19:26.Lee wouldn't want me to sit at home, you know, crying gets

:19:27. > :19:29.Lee wouldn't want me to sit at home, you know, crying getting

:19:30. > :19:32.He always said he wanted to be famous.

:19:33. > :19:39.I'll be so proud and I hope Lee will be proud up

:19:40. > :19:48.I'm sure he will be Lyn, I really am.

:19:49. > :19:53.You all right? What are you thinking?

:19:54. > :20:01.It's just losing Lee, isn't it, you know.

:20:02. > :20:09.I think the reality sets in that he's not actually

:20:10. > :20:11.going to come back, you know, we're doing this for Lee

:20:12. > :20:15.to help the vulnerable and those who need it.

:20:16. > :20:19.Because we miss him so much every single day.

:20:20. > :20:26.On the fourth anniversary of Lee's death, terror struck again.

:20:27. > :20:33.This time it was Manchester where Lyn and her family live.

:20:34. > :20:41.We'd been to the grave, set balloons off, we went for a meal

:20:42. > :20:44.and we sat at home and were having a drink to celebrate Lee's life.

:20:45. > :20:47.My daughter Courtney came and told us that there'd been a bombing

:20:48. > :20:50.in Manchester and I just fell on to the settee.

:20:51. > :21:04.Especially it being on Lee's anniversary and it being children,

:21:05. > :21:07.you know, there is so mnay parents that are left now

:21:08. > :21:09.without their children and are feeling how

:21:10. > :21:12.we feel and having to go through what we have been through.

:21:13. > :21:16.All I can do is send our sincere condolences to all the families

:21:17. > :21:24.and all the victims and hope they have a speedy recovery.

:21:25. > :21:27.I can't wait to get the house open now.

:21:28. > :21:30.I want to get them families in here and feel how I feel

:21:31. > :21:38.Once it's open and I can actually see people using

:21:39. > :21:41.the Lee Rigby House, you know, that will be my dream,

:21:42. > :21:51.Lyn Rigby is here with one of Lee's sister's, 16-year-old Courtney,

:21:52. > :22:01.Good morning to you both. I will read this straightaway. This is from

:22:02. > :22:06.Julie who was watching the film. "It is fabulous that the Lee Rigby

:22:07. > :22:10.retreat is happening. What a fantastic memorial to him." So there

:22:11. > :22:13.is real support out there which is amazing. I think many people will be

:22:14. > :22:17.surprised to hear you say you don't feel you have had the support from

:22:18. > :22:24.the Ministry of Defence? No, we never got the support. We were

:22:25. > :22:28.classed as a non dependant family of Lee's so we weren't classed as Lee's

:22:29. > :22:31.family. The next of kin get looked after. They get the support and

:22:32. > :22:36.everything else. There is not only us there, there is a lot of military

:22:37. > :22:40.bereaved families and the siblings, you know that don't receive the

:22:41. > :22:45.help. What kind of support might you have been expecting? Well, you know,

:22:46. > :22:50.I mean, it's just, make a phone call, making sure we're OK, you

:22:51. > :22:55.know, counselling side of it, we never got the counselling, we got

:22:56. > :23:01.that from actually Victim Support. And as like you say with the

:23:02. > :23:06.bombings and everything and you know, the terror attacks that have

:23:07. > :23:11.gone on, it's horrific and it just brings it all back, you know. So as

:23:12. > :23:14.the mum and as the minister of Lee Rigby, none of you were offered

:23:15. > :23:21.counselling via the Ministry of Defence? No. No. It was all done

:23:22. > :23:26.through Victim Support. What do you think of that? I think it's pretty

:23:27. > :23:30.disgusting. I mean there is a lot of mums and dads and the siblings that

:23:31. > :23:35.are still out there, that have lost loved ones in Iraq, or Afghanistan

:23:36. > :23:39.that still don't get the support and they still don't get counselling. I

:23:40. > :23:43.mean we were lucky in a way because we did get a little bit of support

:23:44. > :23:49.up to Lee's funeral. From the MoD? Yeah, but after the funeral, you

:23:50. > :23:58.know, we got nothing. No phone calls after that. And how Courtney? OK.

:23:59. > :24:03.OK. Yeah. I know when the Manchester terrorist attack happened, that was

:24:04. > :24:08.on the fourth anniversary of Lee's killing. That had a real impact on

:24:09. > :24:15.you all, didn't it? With me, it brought us straight back down to the

:24:16. > :24:19.first day Lee had died. Did it? It's just all the horrific circumstances,

:24:20. > :24:24.you know, it was children at the end of the day. The target was on

:24:25. > :24:29.children. I've lost my child. So my heart just went out to all the other

:24:30. > :24:35.parents and you know looking for their children and partners and it

:24:36. > :24:40.was horrific, you know, it was a callus attack. People may not have

:24:41. > :24:44.realised it was something like 12 or 13 hours before you realised that

:24:45. > :24:48.your son was the victim of that... Yes, there is mums out there

:24:49. > :24:51.appealing after the bombings for, you know, help finding their

:24:52. > :24:56.children. Hoping that they were safe and we were in that situation as

:24:57. > :25:01.well where it was 12 hours after Lee had been murdered before we even

:25:02. > :25:05.found out it was actually Lee. Even though we knew deep down it was Lee,

:25:06. > :25:11.you know, to be actually told and have that knock on the door that it

:25:12. > :25:16.was Lee, you know, we just... It was horrific. I know you've made contact

:25:17. > :25:22.and actually with one of the mums who lost a daughter, haven't you?

:25:23. > :25:25.Charlotte Campbell who lost her daughter, Olivia in the Manchester

:25:26. > :25:34.attack and in fact you were at her funeral? Yeah, we got, when I saw

:25:35. > :25:39.Charlotte on TV, you know, pleading to help find her, daughter, my heart

:25:40. > :25:43.just went for her. I could understand the situation she was in

:25:44. > :25:47.then, you know, to when we was with Lee, you know, having to wait and it

:25:48. > :25:53.was 12, 13 hours afterwards before she found out, you know that Olivia

:25:54. > :26:01.had actually passed away and been killed and my heart just melted for

:26:02. > :26:04.her. I just wanted to give her a hug just to say, "I'm here for you. I

:26:05. > :26:08.know what you're going through." People don't know what you're going

:26:09. > :26:13.through unless they have been through the same, you know. So on a

:26:14. > :26:18.mutual friend knew Charlotte and Paul and I asked them to contact

:26:19. > :26:22.them and we went up and met them. I took them some flowers and some

:26:23. > :26:27.gifts for the children, well, they are not children, they are adults,

:26:28. > :26:34.you know, just something to show that we know and the girls bought

:26:35. > :26:39.something for their children and then she inviteds to the funeral. It

:26:40. > :26:45.was heartbreaking to see another mother going through, you know, what

:26:46. > :26:49.you're going through, having to lose a child. What did you think Courtney

:26:50. > :26:54.when you heard about the Manchester attack? Because you might have been

:26:55. > :26:59.at the arena. You were been there to gigs. A lot of those children were

:27:00. > :27:03.at their first concert and knowing that 22 came out and it was their

:27:04. > :27:06.last concert, it's terrible because I have left so many times without a

:27:07. > :27:13.worry and they tried doing the same and it didn't happen. What impact

:27:14. > :27:17.has that had on you in recent weeks? It has made me a lot more aware of

:27:18. > :27:20.things and made me more wroried about going out and doing things

:27:21. > :27:23.than I would have been because now I know there is the threat and it

:27:24. > :27:26.could happen to anyone because that's what happened there.

:27:27. > :27:31.Have you been able to have some counselling? I had it after Lee died

:27:32. > :27:34.because I struggled with my anger a lot and I needed help with it

:27:35. > :27:38.because I couldn't cope with it, but after that, I felt like after the

:27:39. > :27:42.counselling she had given me ways that I could handle it myself so I

:27:43. > :27:46.didn't necessarily need it anymore because even after those attacks I

:27:47. > :27:51.knew how to handle it because she helped me with it. What about

:27:52. > :27:55.financial support, again from the Ministry of Defence since Lee's

:27:56. > :28:02.murder? We don't get any financial support from them and the MoD or

:28:03. > :28:06.anybody. All we live on is my husband's wages which is not a lot,

:28:07. > :28:13.you know, we still have to pay bills, but as I said again, the next

:28:14. > :28:19.of kin gets the support, you know. I asked for a T-shirt and I never got

:28:20. > :28:24.one because I wasn't next of kin. One of his T-shirts? Out of his

:28:25. > :28:29.barracks, out of the room. No, we don't get any support. We do

:28:30. > :28:33.struggle from day-to-day, you know, to food in the kids mouths, you

:28:34. > :28:38.know, Ian is not on a great amount of money. That's your partner and

:28:39. > :28:44.Lee's step dad? Yes. No, we don't get no support at all. We struggle

:28:45. > :28:49.from day it day, don't we? Sometimes I won't eat, and I make sure that

:28:50. > :28:52.the girls, and Ian eat, you know. People just don't realise, people

:28:53. > :28:56.think because Lee was murdered, you know, we're millionaires and we have

:28:57. > :29:01.got thousands in the bank and we've not got a penny. We're overdrawn

:29:02. > :29:06.like everybody else, you know, we eat from day-to-day what we can.

:29:07. > :29:11.It's a long, hard struggle and this is where I think they're letting us

:29:12. > :29:21.down, you know, because we have to try and carry on with our lives and

:29:22. > :29:24.it's struggling through it as well. And sometimes you just, you have the

:29:25. > :29:28.beans on toast because there is not much else? The beans or toast or the

:29:29. > :29:33.sandwiches for Sunday dinner the it is whatever we can get in, isn't it,

:29:34. > :29:39.and what's left. Because Ian is on a monthly pay. He has been off the

:29:40. > :29:43.last three weeks because of the Manchester bombings, it took its

:29:44. > :29:47.toll on me again and on Ian, you know. Really? His health

:29:48. > :29:53.deteriorated a bit so the doctor signed him off. He is on monthly pay

:29:54. > :29:56.and he only got half his wage which went straight out on bills because

:29:57. > :29:59.you still have to pay your rent. You have got to keep a roof over your

:30:00. > :30:05.head, you know and at the end of the day you have got to borrow off

:30:06. > :30:11.family to survive. Did you get a call from the MoD on

:30:12. > :30:15.the, after the Manchester attacks which was the fourth anniversary of

:30:16. > :30:20.Lee? No, we have had nothing. We really do think we would get a phone

:30:21. > :30:26.call just to make sure that we were OK, you know, but no, we had no

:30:27. > :30:30.contact with the MoD really for well, since after the funeral. Only

:30:31. > :30:37.if we have ever phoned them for anything which is not very often.

:30:38. > :30:45.I have a statement from the MoD. A spokesman said: We do our best to

:30:46. > :30:51.support the families who have lost loved ones, offering guidance on

:30:52. > :30:55.accessing help, as well as a range of support from individual

:30:56. > :31:03.regiments, including financial aid. Our thoughts remain with the family

:31:04. > :31:07.and friends of drummer Lee Rigby. We had an Army liaison officer for

:31:08. > :31:15.three months after Lee died, but after the funeral, we have had no

:31:16. > :31:19.support since. We don't get any financial support from anybody. What

:31:20. > :31:23.do you think about that? I think they should support everyone instead

:31:24. > :31:28.of just focusing on the next of kin. There are other people, not just the

:31:29. > :31:32.family. We are still here and we were with him for all his life, so

:31:33. > :31:42.to be left like we never knew him and weren't related... It's

:31:43. > :31:50.heartbreaking. To be classed... To be told directly that we are not

:31:51. > :31:53.lead's family... All the parents want is the respect that they were

:31:54. > :32:05.our sons and daughters who have been lost. We have a lady, Carol Jones,

:32:06. > :32:10.who has been fighting for The Victoria Cross, which the next of

:32:11. > :32:14.kin get when they lose their partners in circumstances. Yet

:32:15. > :32:19.again, the parents don't. And they don't cost much to make, it's

:32:20. > :32:29.pennies, but why not give respect to the parents as well and offer us

:32:30. > :32:34.something? We get a scroll with Lee's name on, that's all. A lot of

:32:35. > :32:38.people will be taken aback. You may have seen reports that one of the

:32:39. > :32:43.men responsible for your son's murder is now considered to be one

:32:44. > :32:49.of the most dangerous men in a British jail and is said to be

:32:50. > :32:53.radicalising inmates at Frankland prison in Durham. Prison staff say

:32:54. > :32:58.they lack the resources to adequately monitor the situation.

:32:59. > :33:02.What do you think of that? Not only has he already caused pain to

:33:03. > :33:05.people, but now that he has been put away for it and didn't get it the

:33:06. > :33:11.way he wanted it, he is trying to cause further pain to more people in

:33:12. > :33:17.the country. It's not right. Let me read to messages from people

:33:18. > :33:20.watching. Dan says, well done to Lee Rigby's family for setting up a

:33:21. > :33:27.place for veterans and families to visit. Gone but not forgotten. RIP,

:33:28. > :33:33.brother. Another viewer says, Lee Rigby will never be forgotten. Roger

:33:34. > :33:37.Watts says: My 30-year-old son took his own life. Everyone must let

:33:38. > :33:42.parents talk, cry and even scream about the loss of their child. If

:33:43. > :33:49.the MoD gave Mrs Rigby Little help, that is unforgivable. Elliott says:

:33:50. > :33:53.Very true that veterans are left by the wayside a lot, ending up

:33:54. > :34:01.homeless and unable to maintain family and personal life. Another

:34:02. > :34:06.says, someone start a fund for Lee Rigby's mum and family. She has had

:34:07. > :34:12.no support. Simon says, how can the families of heroes be treated so

:34:13. > :34:18.shabbily? I can assure you that this nation supports you. Lee Rigby will

:34:19. > :34:23.never be forgotten. We have seen the film of the house, the retreat, that

:34:24. > :34:29.you are offering for the relatives of those who lose someone serving

:34:30. > :34:35.for their country. But I think you have bigger ambitions than that?

:34:36. > :34:38.Mainly, the houses for the bereaved parents and siblings, because people

:34:39. > :34:46.don't involve the siblings. -- the house is for. We have had veterans

:34:47. > :34:51.down there because we want them involved, we want them to design it

:34:52. > :34:58.how they want it laying out, and then the project is a massive one,

:34:59. > :35:04.which again, is on the estate. The building has been empty for 12

:35:05. > :35:08.years. The outside is fine, but the inside... We need their help. There

:35:09. > :35:15.was a message went out this weekend and it went viral, and we have been

:35:16. > :35:18.inundated with calls. It has been overwhelming and we can't thank

:35:19. > :35:25.people enough. People to offer their support to help us do and finished

:35:26. > :35:31.this for Lee as a legacy... We will get back to them all. We have had

:35:32. > :35:36.over 4000 messages. We do thank them, but we do need their help.

:35:37. > :35:42.Keep coming forward to help us get this going. And obviously, online

:35:43. > :35:46.donations. If they go to the Lee Rigby Foundation, there is a donate

:35:47. > :35:54.button there. We run on donated funds. I am quite excited. I am just

:35:55. > :35:58.waiting for it to get opened now. And that will be a remarkable

:35:59. > :36:02.achievement. Testament to you as a family, you know. A lasting legacy.

:36:03. > :36:07.Thank you very much, both of you. Almost two weeks

:36:08. > :36:14.on from the devastating fire at Grenfell Tower, how is it

:36:15. > :36:17.possible that still no-one knows whether or not the cladding used

:36:18. > :36:20.on the block is illegal or not? And we'll talk to snooker legend

:36:21. > :36:25.Ronnie O'Sullivan about his career, politics and anything else

:36:26. > :36:27.you want to talk about - if you've got a question for him -

:36:28. > :36:31.do get in touch in the usual ways ? e-mail victoria@bbc.co.uk

:36:32. > :36:44.or text 61124. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:36:45. > :36:54.with a summary of today's news. The White House has accused the

:36:55. > :36:58.Syrian Government are preparing for a chemical weapons attack similar to

:36:59. > :37:04.one in April in which dozens of people died. That attack led to an

:37:05. > :37:06.American missile strike against a Syrian air base. The State

:37:07. > :37:09.Department said President Assad and his military would pay a heavy price

:37:10. > :37:11.if chemical weapons were used again. It's emerged that 700,000 medical

:37:12. > :37:12.documents, including test results for cancer,

:37:13. > :37:14.were put in storage instead A report by the National Audit

:37:15. > :37:20.Office says that more than 1,700 NHS patients may have been harmed

:37:21. > :37:28.by the administrative blunder. Downing Street and the Democratic

:37:29. > :37:30.Unionists have said their deal to secure support for Theresa May's

:37:31. > :37:32.minority Conservative government makes the restoration of power

:37:33. > :37:34.sharing in Northern Ireland more The Prime Minister has been accused

:37:35. > :37:40.by Sinn Fein of jeopardising the Good Friday peace agreement

:37:41. > :37:42.by promising the DUP ?1 billion of extra funding

:37:43. > :37:45.for Northern Ireland. A deal to revive power sharing

:37:46. > :37:47.at the Stormont Assembly has The mother of murdered soldier

:37:48. > :37:55.Lee Rigby has told this programme the Ministry of Defence has failed

:37:56. > :37:57.to support her family. Lyn Rigby says only her son's next

:37:58. > :38:00.of kin - his partner - received help, and "the main

:38:01. > :38:03.charities didn't want to know". Lee Rigby was killed

:38:04. > :38:06.outside Woolwich Barracks in south-east London in May 2013,

:38:07. > :38:09.by Michael Adebolajo She said the recent attacks

:38:10. > :38:14.in London and Manchester had "brought everything back",

:38:15. > :38:18.but she had received no contact from the MOD

:38:19. > :38:29.to check that they were OK. I think it is pretty disgusting.

:38:30. > :38:34.There are a lot of mums, dads and siblings out there to have lost

:38:35. > :38:38.loved ones in Iraq or Afghanistan who still don't get the support, and

:38:39. > :38:45.they still don't get counselling. We were lucky, in a way, because we got

:38:46. > :38:46.a little support up to lead's funeral. After the funeral, we got

:38:47. > :39:01.nothing. -- Lee's funeral. The moment a 14-year-old girl

:39:02. > :39:04.was caught after falling off a theme park ride in the US has been

:39:05. > :39:06.captured on camera. Matthew Howard Senior

:39:07. > :39:08.was at the Six Flags theme park in New York State with his daughter,

:39:09. > :39:11.when he joined the The girl suffered no

:39:12. > :39:14.serious injuries. The ride has been closed while

:39:15. > :39:18.investigations are carried out. Moore at ten o'clock. I cannot

:39:19. > :39:28.believe that footage. Thank God she is all right! John is back and he

:39:29. > :39:40.has the sport. The British and Irish lions continue their campaign. The

:39:41. > :39:43.lions got a 23-14 lead. The warm up for Wimbledon continues

:39:44. > :39:51.at Eastbourne today. Johanna Konta is in action. The former world

:39:52. > :39:54.number one Novak Djokovic is also in action as he looks to try to build

:39:55. > :39:59.form ahead of the third major of the year.

:40:00. > :40:03.England's women's cricketers play Pakistan in the women's World Cup

:40:04. > :40:08.today. They are strong favourites after winning their one-day series

:40:09. > :40:14.last summer. And Shrewsbury Town have applied to

:40:15. > :40:17.become the first English club to have safe standing at their stadium.

:40:18. > :40:19.They intend to have it before the end of the upcoming season. That is

:40:20. > :40:22.all for now. Back to you, Victoria. Next, an interview with one

:40:23. > :40:24.of the greatest snooker COMMENTATOR: The Rocket, Ronnie

:40:25. > :40:50.O'Sullivan! When he gets his cue out of the

:40:51. > :41:17.case... He just made it look so easy, and

:41:18. > :41:27.that is what the greats do. This speed was phenomenal. What a

:41:28. > :41:36.fantastic maximum break that is! Ronnie O'Sullivan is delighted, and

:41:37. > :41:39.the crowd is delighted. What did you make of your own performance? You

:41:40. > :42:07.seemed to take a while to get going. You are laughing at yourself there.

:42:08. > :42:10.It is crazy. What is going on? Sometimes, when you come off a

:42:11. > :42:18.match, your emotions are high, and I am not the best at not saying what I

:42:19. > :42:22.feel. You get letters in the post, which is infuriating, because it can

:42:23. > :42:26.distract you from the tournament. I thought, rather than getting into

:42:27. > :42:29.any more trouble, I might as well just cut the answer is down to one

:42:30. > :42:34.word answers. I thought I was doing all right, then I got another letter

:42:35. > :42:41.saying they would find me for using monosyllabic answers. -- they would

:42:42. > :42:47.impose a fine on me. I just need some media training, I think! I will

:42:48. > :42:50.just bring this political news to the audience, and I know you're

:42:51. > :42:56.interested in politics. It is from Nicola Sturgeon, the first Minister

:42:57. > :43:00.of Scotland, who says colon I will be seeking the agreement of the

:43:01. > :43:04.Scottish Parliament to make a statement today on the way forward

:43:05. > :43:07.for Scotland after the general election. That will no doubt be

:43:08. > :43:11.about a second independence referendum for Scotland. To repeat,

:43:12. > :43:14.Nicola Sturgeon has said in the last couple of minutes, I will seek the

:43:15. > :43:17.agreement of the Scottish Parliament to make a statement later today on

:43:18. > :43:22.the way forward for Scotland after the general election.

:43:23. > :43:28.We will talk about the general election a bit later, that's all

:43:29. > :43:33.right. Let's talk about your fantastic career, which is amazing.

:43:34. > :43:36.Five world Championships. Others have won more, but everybody says

:43:37. > :43:40.you are the best, the way you play, the flare the style, all the rest,

:43:41. > :43:45.and you feel like you are playing more now than ever, is that right?

:43:46. > :43:49.Yeah, I have always enjoyed playing, but I have always had a love- hate

:43:50. > :43:52.relationship with the game. In the last five or six years I have

:43:53. > :43:56.addressed the mental side rather than the playing side, and I think I

:43:57. > :44:01.am able to handle the pressure better. A lot of the big

:44:02. > :44:06.tournaments, it is pressure that can make you cave in sometimes. I am

:44:07. > :44:10.better at handling that and my game is coming out more. I love playing

:44:11. > :44:16.more than I have ever done, really. So, tell our audience a bit more

:44:17. > :44:20.about how you are handling the pressure better, what sort of

:44:21. > :44:29.techniques, what help, what insight. Is it growing up? Definitely not

:44:30. > :44:33.that, because I was 35. I know what you are saying, but I think a lot of

:44:34. > :44:37.it was stage fright with me. I would get so nervous before giving out, or

:44:38. > :44:40.in the build-up to a big tournament, my behaviour would start changing

:44:41. > :44:46.just because I was scared, basically. With the help of Steve

:44:47. > :44:49.Peters, I have learned not to panic. He is a legendary psychiatrist who

:44:50. > :44:54.has helped all sorts of sports people and has been on this

:44:55. > :44:58.programme. He has allowed me to be in the right frame of mind to allow

:44:59. > :45:06.my ability to come out. I think learning not to panic, even if it is

:45:07. > :45:10.going really bad. Just not to be stuck in the moment and sometimes

:45:11. > :45:14.look outside yourself. You can think, I am just having a bad day.

:45:15. > :45:18.It is part of being a human being. I couldn't accept being a human I

:45:19. > :45:19.wanted to be perfect all the time. Unfortunately, that can weigh you

:45:20. > :45:29.down sometimes. We have been playing some of your

:45:30. > :45:35.amazing snooker. Five minutes and how long? Five minutes 20. That was

:45:36. > :45:38.in 1997. That was the first one. Do you think anyone will come close to

:45:39. > :45:43.beating that? Probably not. But that's not one of the records I'm

:45:44. > :45:47.more proud of really because it is just one frame and a lot of the

:45:48. > :45:50.reasons why it was so quick was because I was so nervous and I tried

:45:51. > :45:54.to get it over and done with quickly. Now I am a much more

:45:55. > :45:58.confident player and I take my time more and I'm able to enjoy the

:45:59. > :46:02.process. I have had better 147s, but not as quick. Everybody goes on

:46:03. > :46:06.about the five minutes and 20 because it's so fast, but as a

:46:07. > :46:11.professional, I have made a lot better 70 breaks really. There is a

:46:12. > :46:15.question about the money. Players used to get 147 K for that break.

:46:16. > :46:21.Now the prize is on average I think ?5,000. Yes. As you know you have

:46:22. > :46:25.been criticised for not capitalising on the breaks and not trying to

:46:26. > :46:30.score the maximum break because the same money isn't on offer? Yeah, I

:46:31. > :46:35.mean, at the end of the day, I just kind of, it was, that's my little

:46:36. > :46:39.mischievous side coming out in me. Some people protest by saying the

:46:40. > :46:46.prize money should be higher. I thought I'd have a laugh and make a

:46:47. > :46:51.146 instead of a 147. If they want a 147 they have got to up the prize

:46:52. > :46:56.money to what it used. I'm having a laugh and the authorities look it

:46:57. > :47:04.serious and I like to lighten things up. A viewer says, "Please can him

:47:05. > :47:10.why he missed a maximum break. Why not give the money to charity?" I

:47:11. > :47:14.did. You have missed a few that you could have got the money for? I have

:47:15. > :47:19.had a couple of 146s, one of them, I could have got a 147, but I went for

:47:20. > :47:23.the highest break prize. At the time when you're out there playing you're

:47:24. > :47:27.not really thinking about charities and stuff, you're out there doing

:47:28. > :47:32.your job and having fun. You get lost in the moment. On second

:47:33. > :47:36.thoughts that would have been a good idea. Next time I get one, I will

:47:37. > :47:41.have to give it all to charity. How important do you think it is for

:47:42. > :47:45.somebody like you, high-profile, in the public eye, very successful to

:47:46. > :47:55.talk about your mental health? Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I never looked

:47:56. > :48:00.at it like that years ago. I wasn't very good at hiding being down. I

:48:01. > :48:04.show it more than others. For me, it was easier to talk about it because

:48:05. > :48:07.I felt it was written over my face, but there is a lot of people coming

:48:08. > :48:09.out and speaking about it and I think it's good because a problem

:48:10. > :48:14.shared is a problem halved and you're not on your own and I think

:48:15. > :48:19.that sometimes when you do feel like you're on your own I can isolate

:48:20. > :48:25.yourself. Just encouraging people to not be ashamed about it really. Was

:48:26. > :48:31.Steve Peters able to help you manage the depression as well? In a way. I

:48:32. > :48:35.always, I still maintain it that I had snooker depression. What does

:48:36. > :48:38.that mean? If I didn't play good, it affected my well-being. So even

:48:39. > :48:43.after a game I'd come off and I would be thinking about the game

:48:44. > :48:46.rather than just relaxing and enjoying my time of a. It was just

:48:47. > :48:50.consuming me night and day. I would wake up and think, "Am I going to

:48:51. > :48:54.play well today?" That put me in a bad frame of mind. I have a lot less

:48:55. > :48:59.bad days on the table so I'm happier. So, you know, I mean,

:49:00. > :49:02.everybody knows what it is that is bugging them and I always knew it

:49:03. > :49:07.was that, but everybody used to think I was going off me head and I

:49:08. > :49:11.probably ain't, I probably do have an up and down type of behaviour,

:49:12. > :49:19.but it's probably no worse than most of the general public really.

:49:20. > :49:22.Is it true that in 2016, the World Snooker Championships, you smashed

:49:23. > :49:23.up that dressing room? LAUGHTER

:49:24. > :49:31.No, I didn't intentionally smash it up. I mean, not many people know,

:49:32. > :49:35.but I was suffering, I had a massive workload, probably too much, I

:49:36. > :49:39.worked myself to the bone and again, the pressure of the tournament was a

:49:40. > :49:42.lot and straight after that match, I don't know if I mention it had to

:49:43. > :49:48.anyone, but I was driven straight down to London. I was in a hospital

:49:49. > :49:52.for four or five days because I was physically exhausted and on a low.

:49:53. > :49:57.Was it a breakdown? I think so, yeah. Yeah, I think it was and they

:49:58. > :50:00.kind of helped me out. I a few days in there and medication to try and

:50:01. > :50:05.just get me going and it was touch and go whether I was going to play

:50:06. > :50:08.in the second round match. One of the doctors said, "Try and take this

:50:09. > :50:13.medication just to slow your mind down." It worked and I came out

:50:14. > :50:16.there Friday. So it was nothing to do with anything else other than I

:50:17. > :50:21.was feeling like, like you say, a breakdown. Right. But I do love a

:50:22. > :50:25.breakdown. It is what spurs me on. What do you mean you love a

:50:26. > :50:30.breakdown? I'm so used to dragging myself up from a low, I've done it

:50:31. > :50:33.all my life. Right. I kind of sometimes I know that once I get to

:50:34. > :50:38.the bottom I will fly up again. Right. A lot less so over the last

:50:39. > :50:45.six years because I balanced it that out. That's the ideal of ups and

:50:46. > :50:49.downs? I have been so low and I know I can come out of it so I don't

:50:50. > :50:54.worry so much, but sometimes I feel yeah, it is like a chance to respond

:50:55. > :50:59.in a way. It has always been the way with me. I don't worry about it

:51:00. > :51:03.probably the way most people would. Did you take it out on the dressing

:51:04. > :51:09.room because you were in the breakdown? I smshd my cue on the

:51:10. > :51:14.walls. Is that needed repairing. My mate took it down to John Paris and

:51:15. > :51:18.I said I couldn't go through with the whole, I think it was more

:51:19. > :51:23.pressure as well. If it was an exhibition I would be been fine, but

:51:24. > :51:26.the World Championships is so intense and I just felt like I

:51:27. > :51:30.wasn't in a good place, you know. And that was it really. So, I have

:51:31. > :51:36.been in worse places though. Have you? Yeah. Yeah. That was mild.

:51:37. > :51:43.Well, that's interesting. You have got the experience and you know. You

:51:44. > :51:47.have clearly, you wear your heart on your sleeve. You made that clear.

:51:48. > :51:54.You're sort of comfortable with that. There are so many people who

:51:55. > :52:01.are in the world of sport and other fields who will never say anything

:52:02. > :52:04.controversial or you know or they have gone through the media training

:52:05. > :52:10.because they don't want to have a bad headline. Why does that sort of

:52:11. > :52:14.stuff not bother you? What being... Normal, honest, open, wearing your

:52:15. > :52:18.heart on your sleeve? I don't think I'm actually hurting anybody. I

:52:19. > :52:22.haven't really said anything bad. I mean, I don't think, I don't know,

:52:23. > :52:27.some of the things I say I don't think are that bad. I think some

:52:28. > :52:33.people are too precious about what you say and how it affects the sport

:52:34. > :52:37.and this and that. I just think, I don't know, it is just heat of the

:52:38. > :52:43.moment stuff. What about your criticism of the way snooker is run?

:52:44. > :52:47.Is that heat of the moment? Do you believe the rules are too

:52:48. > :52:55.prohibitive, restrictive? I probably came along at a time when snooker at

:52:56. > :52:58.its prime and the 80s and 90s were the prime. Once the snooker

:52:59. > :53:03.sponsorship went snooker never got back to where it was. I was spoilt

:53:04. > :53:07.at how it was run and the money is not there that used to be in snooker

:53:08. > :53:12.and they are doing their best, but in the back of your mind you can't

:53:13. > :53:17.help but crave the days of when snooker was in its high and I'd love

:53:18. > :53:21.to see it back there. And sometimes, you know, when you criticise an

:53:22. > :53:24.event or a tournament, there is stuff they put in the player's

:53:25. > :53:27.contract because they don't want people to know about that kind of

:53:28. > :53:32.stuff. You feel like you can't say what you want to say, so you have to

:53:33. > :53:35.kind of, it is a fine line, but if it got too bad then I probably would

:53:36. > :53:41.just walk away and find something else to do because I don't really

:53:42. > :53:45.need the aggravation, I love playing and I'm sure I'd find another place

:53:46. > :53:50.to play snooker because I'm not bothered about winning anymore

:53:51. > :53:54.turnments, I just enjoying playing. When you say if things got too bad

:53:55. > :53:59.and I'd walk away. Give me a scenario. If I was forced into

:54:00. > :54:02.saying stuff and having to toe the line too much, I would think, there

:54:03. > :54:06.is not a long lasting relationship with me because I'm probably going

:54:07. > :54:10.it to fall short so I'd probably have to find somewhere elsewhere I

:54:11. > :54:15.could play and I just play for the fun of it and as long as there is a

:54:16. > :54:19.few tournaments to motivate me to practise, that's enough for me. How

:54:20. > :54:23.long will you go on playing for? Sometimes I think 50 would be a nice

:54:24. > :54:27.number. How old are you now? 41. So another nine years. I hate to put

:54:28. > :54:32.numbers and times on how long I'm going to play, but I think when I'm

:54:33. > :54:39.50, you know, it's a nice number to maybe think about doing something

:54:40. > :54:44.else. A viewer says, "Does he hope that

:54:45. > :54:50.Ronnie junior will pick up the snooker cue?" I hope not. I don't

:54:51. > :54:54.want him to play snooker. They make their own choices, I would rather he

:54:55. > :55:00.play golf, tennis. Why? I think it is an outdoor sport. It is more

:55:01. > :55:08.healthier. I think being in snooker halls can be a little bit, it's not

:55:09. > :55:16.good for the skin tone! LAUGHTER

:55:17. > :55:24.Rob, "Who would have been the best out of Ronnie, Hendry Davis?" John

:55:25. > :55:28.Higgins or Alex. I think it is Alex. Hendry and followed by John Higgins.

:55:29. > :55:34.If they were to have a match, it would be a flick of a coin. Hendry

:55:35. > :55:39.was more aggressive, but I'd give them a good run for their money. How

:55:40. > :55:44.many cues do you think you've used throughout your career? I probably

:55:45. > :55:49.used about five accuse in my whole career. One cue I had more about 12

:55:50. > :55:55.years, I think. So I have had a few since then. Martin, "Away from

:55:56. > :56:03.snooker is there anything Ronnie wishes he could excel at but hasn't

:56:04. > :56:08.or can't?" Not really. Everything, I always believe you can't be

:56:09. > :56:14.brilliant at lots of things, you know, my focus has been on snooker.

:56:15. > :56:20.I got into a run 13 or 14 years ago and I tried to get to county level.

:56:21. > :56:24.I came short with that. I'm happy with what I've done and I am a

:56:25. > :56:29.realist as well. So writing books, how does that fit into your life and

:56:30. > :56:36.what motivates you? This is a novel. There are bits clearly based on your

:56:37. > :56:39.life? Most of it is based on my life and the beauty being doing an AOB

:56:40. > :56:44.and a novel I could play around with it a bit more. I've had great fun

:56:45. > :56:48.doing that and you know obviously that's something I can do, you know,

:56:49. > :56:52.it's just drawing on past experiences and stuff like that. So

:56:53. > :56:55.yeah, out of all the things that I've done away from snooker doing

:56:56. > :57:00.the books has been the best thing I've ever done. Really? Yeah. Yeah,

:57:01. > :57:04.absolutely. I much prefer being away from the camera than in front of it.

:57:05. > :57:08.So this is, you know, I'm able to just get a bit of solitude and do

:57:09. > :57:11.some writing and share it with some friends and kind of do a bit of

:57:12. > :57:15.research and stuff like that and that's something that I enjoy, you

:57:16. > :57:20.know, so, you know, it has been great fun and I've loved doing it

:57:21. > :57:24.and it's yeah, yeah it has been good.

:57:25. > :57:28.Any plans to turn into a film, someone is asking? The rights of my

:57:29. > :57:32.film have already been bought so that's out of my hands now. But

:57:33. > :57:35.possibly if there is like a six book series on this and there is the

:57:36. > :57:38.appetite from people and a lot of people have already read it said

:57:39. > :57:42.they have loved it and there is another one coming out in November

:57:43. > :57:47.called Double-kiss. There is a continuation of the we want to do a

:57:48. > :57:50.series of books. I have had so much fun, I said let's keep it going, and

:57:51. > :57:54.keep it open-ended, the story doesn't have to end. As long as

:57:55. > :57:58.Frankie is around, there is always a story. There is always trouble. The

:57:59. > :58:02.idea was to keep going with it, and I've had fun and I loved every

:58:03. > :58:06.minute of it. Good. Let me read you this message from Alice Wright, "It

:58:07. > :58:10.is so helpful to me when celebs like Ronnie talk about mental health. It

:58:11. > :58:15.definitely makes me feel less alone. You are a star, Ronnie." John on

:58:16. > :58:21.e-mail, "Thank you for being such a breath of fresh air to the sport and

:58:22. > :58:23.carry on doing what you do." You joined the Labour Party this year

:58:24. > :58:31.and backed Jeremy Corbyn. What did you think about the election result?

:58:32. > :58:35.Yeah, I thought, it didn't go the way the Tories thought it would go.

:58:36. > :58:40.Jeremy did a fantastic campaign. I am no professional on politics. I am

:58:41. > :58:43.aware of what's going on around me though and how things affect people

:58:44. > :58:48.and I just think at least there is a contest now. At least there is an

:58:49. > :58:51.alternative for people and he tapped into the younger voter and I just

:58:52. > :58:56.think he brought everything alive again, you know. Why do you think so

:58:57. > :59:00.many people wrote him off including people in his own party? Because we

:59:01. > :59:03.live in this thing like you have to have this, present yourself in a

:59:04. > :59:07.certain way and this and that and I just think sometimes it is more

:59:08. > :59:12.important you know the substance, what's the substance behind that

:59:13. > :59:16.person? With the election campaign, people got to see that he was a real

:59:17. > :59:19.decent, honourable and meant what he said sort of person and I think a

:59:20. > :59:23.lot of people, you know, bought into that and they thought, you know

:59:24. > :59:30.what, I can relate to him. He's talking to me, whereas some of these

:59:31. > :59:32.other politicians they avoid the question and hide behind stuff like

:59:33. > :59:37.Theresa May not wanting to do the debates. That shut her off from a

:59:38. > :59:40.lot of people. He just kind of got a massive surge of people supporting

:59:41. > :59:43.him really. A lot of people that probably wouldn't normally have

:59:44. > :59:47.supported him, did support him, because they felt he was talking to

:59:48. > :59:51.them. I know you've talked been Twitter

:59:52. > :59:56.about the Grenfell Tower fire and the fact that clearly people need

:59:57. > :00:01.answers. Yeah, I just, and at the ebbed of the day, you know, when you

:00:02. > :00:03.have time to think, no one should really, you know, blaming someone

:00:04. > :00:07.for a situation like this. It's really hard. I mean everyone is

:00:08. > :00:12.getting on Theresa May's back. I mean, you know, we all feel awful

:00:13. > :00:16.the stories we heard and when I said, it was one of the most

:00:17. > :00:20.horrible things that I have ever seen in my life, the stories that

:00:21. > :00:24.you hear from the families, what it must have been like for them to be

:00:25. > :00:28.in there and to be hearing it on TV, it really was, it was awful. The

:00:29. > :00:32.most awful stories and you know and I just think that sometimes, you

:00:33. > :00:39.know, this should be a lesson to never let this happen again, you

:00:40. > :00:42.know, and you know, it was just sort of like, whether it was the cladding

:00:43. > :00:46.or not, but for the sake of whatever it was, the money difference, you

:00:47. > :00:50.know to put a price on people's lives like that, you shouldn't

:00:51. > :00:52.really. Lives matter and I just think it was a sad, sad, really

:00:53. > :01:11.horrible thing to happen. Thank you for joining us. Ronnie's

:01:12. > :01:16.book, Framed, is out now. Now, the weather.

:01:17. > :01:26.Quite a wet day in prospect ahead. This picture from Fraser Brown looks

:01:27. > :01:34.quite ominous. The rain is already here, steadily pouring over the last

:01:35. > :01:38.few hours, progressing towards the north-east, so a lot of surface

:01:39. > :01:41.water and spray on the roads if you are heading out. Through the cause

:01:42. > :01:45.of the day, the rain will continue to get into the North of Scotland.

:01:46. > :01:50.In northern England, it will get lighter, more patchy, and for

:01:51. > :01:55.Northern Ireland, back into sunshine and showers, though some of the

:01:56. > :01:58.showers will be heavy and thundery. Meanwhile, more rain coming across

:01:59. > :02:01.the English Channel, through Southern California, into East

:02:02. > :02:06.Anglia, the Midlands, and some of that will be thundery this

:02:07. > :02:13.afternoon. In the South West, a weather front is producing showery

:02:14. > :02:21.rain. In Wales, rain on the coast and dry inland. In Northern Ireland,

:02:22. > :02:27.sunshine and showers, most of the thundery showers in the West. In

:02:28. > :02:32.north-west Scotland, the rain pushes through, and the rain continues to

:02:33. > :02:35.edge up towards the Northern Isles. The East coast of Scotland and the

:02:36. > :02:41.North East coast of England will have showers. It will feel pretty

:02:42. > :02:45.chilly for June. Temperatures around 14 Celsius. Overnight, the bands of

:02:46. > :02:50.rain will merge, so it will be our wet night for England, Wales and

:02:51. > :02:53.eventually Northern Ireland, and a few showers across the far north of

:02:54. > :02:59.Scotland. Temperatures still in double figures in towns and cities.

:03:00. > :03:05.Tomorrow, both areas of low pressure will merge, so we're looking at rain

:03:06. > :03:08.again. Everything rotates around low pressure in an anticlockwise

:03:09. > :03:13.direction, so the rain comes in a circular form, to put it crudely.

:03:14. > :03:18.For England and Wales, the wind around that low pressure as well

:03:19. > :03:23.will make it feel cold on the East Coast. For Scotland, something

:03:24. > :03:28.brighter. There will be some sunshine come through. For the

:03:29. > :03:34.Southeast, again, we could see dry weather, but temperatures down, and

:03:35. > :03:39.a bit disappointing for this stage in June. On Thursday, low pressure

:03:40. > :03:46.still dominates, so the rain will move right the way around it. Some

:03:47. > :03:51.dry interludes, high temperatures of 21 Celsius. And then the rain starts

:03:52. > :03:55.to pull away to the Southeast, high-pressure building behind, and

:03:56. > :04:00.things will settle down for a time at least.

:04:01. > :04:04.It's Tuesday, it's 10 o clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:04:05. > :04:07.The mother of murdered solider Lee Rigby tells us how the family

:04:08. > :04:11.She says the Ministry of Defence has failed to support them-

:04:12. > :04:17.both emotionally and financially in the aftermath of his death.

:04:18. > :04:31.We were classed as a non-dependent family, so we were not classed as

:04:32. > :04:35.Lee's family. There is not just us, there are a lot of other military

:04:36. > :04:40.bereaved families and siblings that don't receive help.

:04:41. > :04:50.You can see the full interview on our programme page.

:04:51. > :04:53.We'll be looking at the cost of a "strong and stable

:04:54. > :04:55.government" now that the deal between the Conservative party

:04:56. > :05:11.And a Sikh couple tell us they were refused the right to adopt a child

:05:12. > :05:14.because of their cultural heritage. First, the latest news with Joanna.

:05:15. > :05:17.The White House has accused the Syrian Government of preparing for

:05:18. > :05:20.a chemical weapons attack similar to one in April in which dozens of

:05:21. > :05:24.That attack led to an American missile strike against a

:05:25. > :05:26.The State Department said President Assad and

:05:27. > :05:31.his military would pay a heavy price if chemical weapons were used again.

:05:32. > :05:33.It's emerged that 700,000 medical documents, including

:05:34. > :05:36.test results for cancer, were put in storage instead

:05:37. > :05:43.A report by the National Audit Office says that more than 1,700 NHS

:05:44. > :05:49.patients may have been harmed by the administrative blunder.

:05:50. > :05:52.Downing Street and the Democratic Unionists have said their deal

:05:53. > :05:54.to secure support for Theresa May's minority Conservative government

:05:55. > :05:56.makes the restoration of power sharing in Northern Ireland more

:05:57. > :06:01.The Prime Minister has been accused by Sinn Fein of jeopardising

:06:02. > :06:04.the Good Friday peace agreement by promising the DUP

:06:05. > :06:07.?1 billion of extra funding for Northern Ireland.

:06:08. > :06:10.A deal to revive power sharing at the Stormont Assembly has

:06:11. > :06:17.The mother of murdered soldier Lee Rigby has told this programme

:06:18. > :06:19.the Ministry of Defence has failed to support her family.

:06:20. > :06:22.Lyn Rigby says only her son's next of kin - his partner -

:06:23. > :06:25.received help, and "the main charities didn't want to know".

:06:26. > :06:28.Lee Rigby was killed outside Woolwich Barracks

:06:29. > :06:30.in south-east London in May 2013, by Michael Adebolajo

:06:31. > :06:36.She said the recent attacks in London and Manchester had

:06:37. > :06:37."brought everything back", but she had received no

:06:38. > :06:42.contact from the MOD to check that they were OK.

:06:43. > :06:50.There are a lot of mums, dads and siblings out there to have lost

:06:51. > :06:53.loved ones in Iraq or Afghanistan who still don't get the support, and

:06:54. > :07:03.We were lucky, in a way, because we got

:07:04. > :07:04.a little support up to Lee's funeral.

:07:05. > :07:12.The Queen is to receive an eight percent increase

:07:13. > :07:16.It will rise to ?82 million from the next financial year.

:07:17. > :07:18.The money will help pay for repairs at Buckingham Palace,

:07:19. > :07:27.The moment a 14-year-old girl was caught after falling off a theme

:07:28. > :07:30.park ride in the US has been captured on camera.

:07:31. > :07:33.Matthew Howard Senior was at the Six Flags theme park

:07:34. > :07:35.in New York State with his daughter, when he joined the

:07:36. > :07:41.The girl suffered no serious injuries.

:07:42. > :07:45.The ride has been closed while investigations are carried out.

:07:46. > :07:53.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30.

:07:54. > :07:58.Just in, the number of fires in high-rise tower blocks in England

:07:59. > :08:02.fell to its lowest level for at least seven years in the 12 months

:08:03. > :08:07.to April. Home Office figures show there were 714 fires in

:08:08. > :08:17.purpose-built blocks of ten stories or more, compared with over 1200

:08:18. > :08:21.fires in 2009 - ten. The figures do not include the Grenfell Tower fire.

:08:22. > :08:27.Tomorrow, we will dedicate the whole programme to Grenfell Tower, two

:08:28. > :08:32.weeks on from the tragedy. We will be back in Kensington talking to

:08:33. > :08:39.survivors and others. Do join us tomorrow for that.

:08:40. > :08:44.Sport now, and John is back. The British and Irish lions are

:08:45. > :08:51.playing Hurricanes in New Zealand. Warren Gatland 's side are looking

:08:52. > :08:59.for a morale boosting win for the two Tests to come. Tommy Seymour got

:09:00. > :09:10.the first try of the game. Hurricanes answered back. They had a

:09:11. > :09:14.23-7 lead. Seymour claimed his second try of the match to become

:09:15. > :09:21.the top scorer on the tour so far, with three to his neck. It is 31-17

:09:22. > :09:29.to the lions currently, with less than 17 minutes remaining.

:09:30. > :09:35.Johanna Konta is in action at Eastbourne today. She is the only

:09:36. > :09:39.British woman to reach the main draw, which means she will be

:09:40. > :09:43.shouldering British upset this year's tournament. Coverage starts

:09:44. > :09:50.on BBC Two at 1pm today. Novak Djokovic is in action there

:09:51. > :09:53.too. He has done a warm up tournament on grass for the first

:09:54. > :10:01.time in seven years, desperately seeking form. The three-time

:10:02. > :10:07.Wimbledon champion has slipped to number four in the world. He is

:10:08. > :10:11.hoping to kick-start his grass court surroundings with new coach Andre

:10:12. > :10:18.Agassi by his side. I am excited to be in a new place and I don't get to

:10:19. > :10:21.do that often. We have pretty much the same schedule every single year,

:10:22. > :10:29.over and over again, so it is great to visit new places, and it is a

:10:30. > :10:35.small town, but everybody is excited to come out on the courts and

:10:36. > :10:39.support the tennis players. The biggest name to feature there.

:10:40. > :10:46.Serena Williams has responded to John McEnroe's claims that she

:10:47. > :10:51.wouldn't be good enough to beat the men's player ranked 700th in the

:10:52. > :10:54.world. He was asked if she could be considered the greatest ever player,

:10:55. > :10:58.regardless of gender, and he said he felt she would not fare well on the

:10:59. > :11:13.men's tour. The champion has responded, saying:

:11:14. > :11:21.Quite a strong response to his comments.

:11:22. > :11:23.After a shock defeat to India in the first match, inward's cricketers

:11:24. > :11:30.face Pakistan in the women's World Cup. England are strong favourites

:11:31. > :11:33.after comfortably beating Pakistan in a one-day series here last

:11:34. > :11:42.summer. And New Zealand have won the 35th

:11:43. > :11:49.America's Cup. Four years ago, USA, led by Sir Ben Ainslie, staged a

:11:50. > :11:56.huge comeback to win. New Zealand made it look easy. Nice weather, as

:11:57. > :12:00.you can see. Not so much here today. More cats and dogs in Salford than

:12:01. > :12:04.Catamarans today. What price a strong

:12:05. > :12:06.and stable government? The bill for ensuring that

:12:07. > :12:10.Theresa May can rely on the 10 votes of Northern Ireland's DUP

:12:11. > :12:13.is a billion pounds - that's over ?500 for each citizen

:12:14. > :12:18.of Northern Ireland...or one hundred million pounds for each

:12:19. > :12:22.of the ten MPs' votes. That's the economics

:12:23. > :12:24.but what about the political price of spending a sum that could have

:12:25. > :12:28.paid for, say, a 2% pay Something Theresa May made

:12:29. > :12:38.clear wasn't possible Remember when she spoke to that

:12:39. > :12:41.nurse on question Time and said there was no magic money tree?

:12:42. > :12:43.In return for DUP support, the government has found that magic

:12:44. > :12:46.money tree and promised to spend around a billion pounds extra

:12:47. > :12:48.on projects in Northern Ireland, upgrading roads, installing

:12:49. > :12:49.broadband, tackling deprivation and giving extra cash

:12:50. > :12:59.But many want to know, if the money can be found

:13:00. > :13:02.for buying votes in N Ireland, why can't it be found elsewhere?

:13:03. > :13:11.Let's speak now to SNP MP Kirsty Blackman,

:13:12. > :13:13.The SNP described it as a grubby, shameless deal...

:13:14. > :13:15.Rebecca Webster who is a student nurse, nurses haven't had

:13:16. > :13:20.And Elliott, who doesn't want us to use his surname,

:13:21. > :13:23.who has mental health issues, and says he's been

:13:24. > :13:31.Steve Rotheram, metro mayor of the Liverpool City Region,

:13:32. > :13:34.he says if money can be found for N Ireland it should go

:13:35. > :13:37.Downing Street said diary commitments prevented any ministers

:13:38. > :13:39.joining our discussion, so instead they put up

:13:40. > :13:46.Good morning to all of you and thank you for talking to us. Where did

:13:47. > :13:52.Theresa May find that magic money tree, then? The amount of money

:13:53. > :13:56.associated with the confidence and supply arrangement with the DUP will

:13:57. > :14:02.come from the same place that all public expenditure comes from - from

:14:03. > :14:06.taxation. Of course, at the last general election we had a hung

:14:07. > :14:10.parliament, and when you have that, you come to agreements with other

:14:11. > :14:15.political parties, and there are policy implications of that.

:14:16. > :14:21.Obviously, the MPs from Northern Ireland wanted to see expenditure in

:14:22. > :14:27.Northern Ireland increase, to go on things like infrastructure, schools,

:14:28. > :14:33.health, etc. How is it justified to find ?1 billion to keep Theresa May

:14:34. > :14:39.in power but no money for example, to give nurses pay rise? Nurses have

:14:40. > :14:46.had a pay rise. There has been pay freeze for years. There has been a

:14:47. > :14:48.cap, and I know that has put financial pressure on a lot of

:14:49. > :14:52.public service professionals, but the amount of expenditure that has

:14:53. > :14:57.been going into the NHS from the Government is still at a record high

:14:58. > :14:59.and has been increasing, and will continue to increase throughout this

:15:00. > :15:05.Parliament. I think it is understandable that when you enter a

:15:06. > :15:09.hung parliament negotiation, the parties you are negotiating with,

:15:10. > :15:13.you know, fight their corner for their part of the country. That's

:15:14. > :15:16.understandable and acceptable, and natural by-product of a hung

:15:17. > :15:21.parliament. Not necessarily. You could have run the country as a

:15:22. > :15:26.minority Government and you didn't have to spend ?1 billion in order to

:15:27. > :15:31.keep Mrs May in power. What is best for the UK are particularly as we go

:15:32. > :15:36.through the Brexit negotiations, is to have a Government which has that

:15:37. > :15:44.ability to govern properly, that is not on a knife edge on every vote,

:15:45. > :15:49.and actually, if we get the Brexit negotiations right, that ?1 billion

:15:50. > :15:54.of expenditure will be more than repaid by the increased economic

:15:55. > :16:01.activity, the increased tax take. You've worked that out, have you? We

:16:02. > :16:05.had a frankly chaotic -- if we had a frankly chaotic situation of a

:16:06. > :16:10.Labour led Government, I think the economy would suffer, and the damage

:16:11. > :16:14.to the UK economy would eclipse that ?1 billion of extra expenditure

:16:15. > :16:16.going into Northern Ireland. Will the DUP only get the money if a

:16:17. > :16:22.Northern Ireland power-sharing deal goes ahead?

:16:23. > :16:27.The DUP are not getting the money. Northern Ireland is getting the

:16:28. > :16:31.money. Will Northern Ireland only get the money if a Northern Ireland

:16:32. > :16:35.power sharing deal goes ahead? My understanding is the money is

:16:36. > :16:38.committed to, but we want the Northern Ireland Executive to choose

:16:39. > :16:42.how to spend the money and the best thing. Sure. Sure. So you're saying

:16:43. > :16:45.they will get the money even if there is no power sharing deal

:16:46. > :16:49.between the parties in Northern Ireland? My understanding and I

:16:50. > :16:55.haven't seen the full details, I have seen the public document that

:16:56. > :16:58.was released is that the money is for the Northern Ireland Executive

:16:59. > :17:03.to spend and the best way for that to happen is for all the political

:17:04. > :17:08.parties in Northern Ireland to get back to Stormont and take over

:17:09. > :17:12.devolved Government because what we want here in Westminster is for the

:17:13. > :17:15.Northern Ireland Executive to run those devolved issues in Northern

:17:16. > :17:22.Ireland. That's our desire. That's what we're ailing for. OK. OK, but

:17:23. > :17:26.you are not clear on that so that does need clarification. Let me

:17:27. > :17:31.bring in our other guests who have questions for you. We have an SNP MP

:17:32. > :17:34.and the metro Mayor of Liverpool and Rebecca Webster and Elliot who has

:17:35. > :17:41.mental health issues and has been affected by austerity. Who would

:17:42. > :17:45.like to talk to James first as a representative of the Conservative

:17:46. > :17:48.Government? You say it is best for the UK going into Brexit

:17:49. > :17:53.negotiations. I don't that I that Brexit is not what just makes the UK

:17:54. > :17:56.and as a student nurse working within the NHS at the momentks there

:17:57. > :18:02.are other priorities. How can you say that allocating, should this ?1

:18:03. > :18:08.billion not be distributed according to the issues of the UK and other

:18:09. > :18:11.areas. The NHS isn't just suffering in Northern Ireland, it is suffering

:18:12. > :18:16.across the UK. It was called a hult crisis during winter. So how can we

:18:17. > :18:19.justify putting it in one place when it is needed throughout the whole of

:18:20. > :18:24.the United Kingdom? I'm glad you brought that up because actually,

:18:25. > :18:28.NHS expenditure right across the UK has been increasing and is going to

:18:29. > :18:32.continue to increase. That was a commitment that the Government made

:18:33. > :18:38.and abshutly will honour and you also say about targeting areas of

:18:39. > :18:40.need. Without a shadow of a daushghts Northern Ireland has

:18:41. > :18:45.suffered enormously over previous decades. It has significant pockets

:18:46. > :18:52.of deprivation. It has significant areas of need and so, I completely

:18:53. > :18:57.understand the DUP wanting to see an enhanced level of public expenditure

:18:58. > :19:01.in Northern Ireland because Northern Ireland does have enhanced needs and

:19:02. > :19:04.so, I think it is entirely reasonable and practical for the

:19:05. > :19:08.Government to do that. You are saying that the money is being put

:19:09. > :19:11.there, oufr I can tell you I'm working on the wards and I'm working

:19:12. > :19:14.with the community and I am working with nurses who have been in the job

:19:15. > :19:18.for 30 years and they are saying they're doing more with less. If

:19:19. > :19:25.you're saying the money is there, why can't I see it? Why am I seeing

:19:26. > :19:28.the revolving doors of mental health patients being brought in and then

:19:29. > :19:30.sent home without the tools or the resources to keep in their

:19:31. > :19:36.community. I need to see it. It's not working. Whatever is happening

:19:37. > :19:41.at the moment is not working. Well, I mean, unfortunately, I can't

:19:42. > :19:45.comment on the circumstances of the wards that you work on, but I know

:19:46. > :19:48.the NHS is under pressure. We have a growing population. We have an

:19:49. > :19:53.ageing population. The Government has recognised that and that's why

:19:54. > :19:57.it committed to an on going increase in NHS expenditure to try and meet

:19:58. > :20:01.those increased demands. I know that you know, at the front line in the

:20:02. > :20:04.wards, in the hospitals, public service professionals are under

:20:05. > :20:07.pressure. We can completely recognise that and that's why that

:20:08. > :20:14.extra expenditure is going into the NHS.

:20:15. > :20:18.Let me bring in Steve Rotherham. Do talk to Mr Cleverley. I think James

:20:19. > :20:23.has drawn the short straw really and it is hardly the most sophisticated

:20:24. > :20:26.argument, is it, to say that we have come up with a formula for Northern

:20:27. > :20:32.Ireland and basically that's to buy off ten votes. Let's face the fact

:20:33. > :20:36.that, and not kid ourselves that the whole deal with the DUP is to try

:20:37. > :20:44.and dig the Government out of a very deep hole and out of doohdoo and I

:20:45. > :20:50.wonder if James regrets the statements that were made before the

:20:51. > :20:55.general election given the state of his party currently. What statement,

:20:56. > :20:59.Steve? Well, such as a coalition of chaos for instance, James, isn't

:21:00. > :21:05.that exactly what you're creating now with this shoddy and grubby deal

:21:06. > :21:11.with the DUP? No, I think the point we made about the chaotic nature of

:21:12. > :21:17.a Jeremy Corbyn-led coalition is justified. So, for Jeremy Corbyn to

:21:18. > :21:23.even attempt to form a Government, he would need to create some kind of

:21:24. > :21:26.rainbow coalition which would numerically have to include the DUP

:21:27. > :21:31.as well. It is legitimate to say that trying to bind together... You

:21:32. > :21:35.knew the outcome of the general election, did you? You already did

:21:36. > :21:37.the maths on what was going to be, this coalition, post general

:21:38. > :21:42.election that Jeremy Corbyn was going to enter into? I hope if

:21:43. > :21:46.that's the case that you had a bet on it because you would be a very,

:21:47. > :21:49.very rich man. Irony is lost on you. You said before about infrastructure

:21:50. > :21:53.and investment for Northern Ireland. It's exactly what John McDonnell has

:21:54. > :21:58.been asking for for years with the Tory Government. So are you saying

:21:59. > :22:00.that Tory investment in Northern Ireland is good, but Labour

:22:01. > :22:05.investment in the rest of the UK would have been bad for the economy?

:22:06. > :22:11.No, what we said is Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's maths didn't

:22:12. > :22:18.even start to add up. Where did you get the ?1 million from? The level

:22:19. > :22:20.of expenditure that was embedded in the Labour manifesto was just

:22:21. > :22:29.completely uncredible. It was incredible. It was... They don't

:22:30. > :22:34.like your manifesto. Can I answer the question? It was at levels that

:22:35. > :22:36.would be unsustainable. In terms of infrastructure the Conservative

:22:37. > :22:40.Government has committed to significant ats of infrastructure in

:22:41. > :22:45.the north of England and in the north-west of England. We have been

:22:46. > :22:50.committed to major infrastructure projects like HS2 which will bind

:22:51. > :22:53.fantastic cities like your own with the other major cities around the

:22:54. > :22:57.UK, share that prosperity. So I'm very proud of the commitment that

:22:58. > :23:01.the Government has made to infrastructure, expenditure around

:23:02. > :23:05.the UK, but we also recognise that Northern Ireland has, because of its

:23:06. > :23:09.history, because of the history of the troubles, it had a unique

:23:10. > :23:12.history which has held it back economically for a very long time

:23:13. > :23:16.and I completely understand the DUP wanting to see plans put in place

:23:17. > :23:25.that will help lift the Northern Irish economy. Well, let's bring in

:23:26. > :23:29.Kirsty who is an SNP MP. Do talk to James Cleverley, Kirsty. I don't

:23:30. > :23:34.understand how the Government can justify this deal. It's ?1 billion

:23:35. > :23:38.for Northern Ireland. It's investment in things like health and

:23:39. > :23:40.education which the Government decide is necessary in Northern

:23:41. > :23:44.Ireland, but not anywhere else in the UK and we are not seeing the

:23:45. > :23:47.same amount of money going into health and education services

:23:48. > :23:51.elsewhere in the UK. Our manifesto that we stewed on had an increase

:23:52. > :23:55.for the NHS in England because we wanted to see the NHS in England get

:23:56. > :23:59.more money and we want to see that come to Wales, Northern Ireland and

:24:00. > :24:03.Scotland. How can the Tories justify giving this extra money to Northern

:24:04. > :24:08.Ireland and excluding the rest of the parts of the UK that are in need

:24:09. > :24:13.of this cash? Well, Kirsty, I'm surprised to hear you say that. You

:24:14. > :24:17.know, as well as I do, that Government expenditure per capita in

:24:18. > :24:22.Scotland is higher than it is in England and I think it is a bit

:24:23. > :24:26.unfair that begrudge a higher per capita expenditure in Northern

:24:27. > :24:28.Ireland. We recognise... James, it is already significantly higher in

:24:29. > :24:34.Northern Ireland than it is in Scotland. So, you know, you need to

:24:35. > :24:39.be careful with this argument. In Scotland, it's significantly higher

:24:40. > :24:43.than it is in England and we recognise that devolved governments

:24:44. > :24:47.and certain parts of the country have greater need than others and

:24:48. > :24:53.public expenditure is counterbalanced to take that into

:24:54. > :24:58.consideration. But, you know, you know, that health and education is a

:24:59. > :25:02.devolved issue in Scotland and if the SNP Government in Holyrood wants

:25:03. > :25:06.to see more money in those areas of public ex-opinioned ture, they can

:25:07. > :25:13.raise taxes. They have the power to do that and spend money on what we

:25:14. > :25:17.both know to be health and education outcomes are lower than in England.

:25:18. > :25:20.Do you think it is justifiable for a Westminster Government to give money

:25:21. > :25:24.to the Northern Ireland Executive to spend on health and education, but

:25:25. > :25:29.you wouldn't do so for Scotland. Why is it a different case? We already

:25:30. > :25:35.do so in Scotland. You are not giving ?2.9 billion for Scotland to

:25:36. > :25:39.spend on health and education? Expenditure in Scotland, just like

:25:40. > :25:45.in the rest of the UK... Is lower than per head than in Northern

:25:46. > :25:51.Ireland. There are different levels, the Government spends money in

:25:52. > :25:53.different levels across across the United Kingdom UK and Northern

:25:54. > :25:55.Ireland per head of population receives more than Scotland, but

:25:56. > :26:00.Scotland receives more than England. That's the way it is and actually,

:26:01. > :26:05.as a Unionist party, as a Government for the whole of the UK, we feel it

:26:06. > :26:08.is entirely appropriate to distribute money from some of the

:26:09. > :26:12.wealthier parts of the UK to some of the parts of the UK who need a boost

:26:13. > :26:16.to build their economy and public services.

:26:17. > :26:21.If you want to speak to your Government, if you're talking about

:26:22. > :26:27.an area of the country that needs some additional help, well, we can

:26:28. > :26:31.very easily help our area by for instance some of the infrastructure

:26:32. > :26:35.projects that we have online, HS 3, as it was called, Northern

:26:36. > :26:38.powerhouse rail or Crossrail for the north, the Government should start

:26:39. > :26:41.that as soon as possible and if we start from Liverpool and work

:26:42. > :26:45.towards Manchester we can link the whole northern corridor, but you

:26:46. > :26:49.can't say that president Government specifically looks at areas with

:26:50. > :26:56.deprivation and helps them areas out. We have had ?1.5 billion cut

:26:57. > :26:59.from the six districts in the Liverpool City region, ?1.5 billion

:27:00. > :27:06.and you have just given ?1 billion to Northern Ireland. How is that

:27:07. > :27:11.justifiable? The Government invested a huge amount in Northern powerhouse

:27:12. > :27:16.projects. I mean your own city has seen a transformation... Yeah,

:27:17. > :27:19.that's because we have got a good council and we have had a Labour

:27:20. > :27:25.Government and European funding in the past that has helped us to pick

:27:26. > :27:31.ourselves up by our own boot straps. I am going to bring in Elliot if I

:27:32. > :27:34.may. Elliot has been very patient. I live in Liverpool currently. I moved

:27:35. > :27:38.from the south up to Liverpool for university and to see a Conservative

:27:39. > :27:40.MP stand there and have the audacity to say that you have put money into

:27:41. > :27:45.Liverpool. Liverpool is a world-class city. It is nothing to

:27:46. > :27:51.do with you and everything to do with European finances and projects.

:27:52. > :27:55.That city was built from ruins. If we're being honest, Liverpool was in

:27:56. > :27:58.ruins especially after the end of the Thatcher Government. Margaret

:27:59. > :28:03.Thatcher wanted to leave the city to decline. She wanted to leave that

:28:04. > :28:09.city to the point where it was in such position that was

:28:10. > :28:12.uninhabitable. Do not dare stand on national TV and praise yourself for

:28:13. > :28:18.that city because you have nothing, nothing, to be proud of in that

:28:19. > :28:21.city. Let me make my second point, the deprivation in Ireland has not

:28:22. > :28:25.happened overnight. Ireland has not collapsed. Northern Ireland has not

:28:26. > :28:31.become deprived overnight. It has been deprived for the entire time

:28:32. > :28:38.you have been in Government. So why is it suddenly now when Theresa May

:28:39. > :28:43.wants to cling on to power, ins your interests, why after seven years of

:28:44. > :28:47.power are you so interested in injecting ?1 billion of public

:28:48. > :28:51.money, it is not Conservative money, it is public money that could be

:28:52. > :28:55.distributed to mental health nurses, to schools, to public second fors,

:28:56. > :28:58.but no, because you want to cling to power, because you have got a woman

:28:59. > :29:00.who does not understand the electorate and does not the

:29:01. > :29:05.understand the message she has been given by the public, she has bribed

:29:06. > :29:10.the Northern Irish Assembly with ?1 billion to keep her in power,

:29:11. > :29:14.justify that now for me now, please. You mentioned mental health

:29:15. > :29:21.services. Northern Ireland still has the... What I've asked you to do is

:29:22. > :29:26.justify... I'm answering your questions. You're deflecting to

:29:27. > :29:31.other points. It is a simple question. Justify in simple terms

:29:32. > :29:34.why you think after seven years in Government, after seven years of

:29:35. > :29:38.austerity, now is the time to give Northern Ireland and nobody else in

:29:39. > :29:43.the country, ?1 billion at a point where your Government, by your own d

:29:44. > :29:48.by your own making is in crisis? Justify that now without saying

:29:49. > :29:52.Tories sound bites, lay it out in simple lay man terms, please.

:29:53. > :29:55.Because it is an affront. The Government has increased spending

:29:56. > :29:59.right across the country including Scotland, Wales, England, Government

:30:00. > :30:01.expenditure has increased. We have been increasing expenditure in

:30:02. > :30:06.Northern Ireland. And Northern Ireland has some of the most

:30:07. > :30:11.significant issues because of it's history. You mentioned mental health

:30:12. > :30:15.services, it has the highest suicide rate per capita in the whole of the

:30:16. > :30:20.k and it's appropriate that we recognise the unique circumstances

:30:21. > :30:24.of Northern Ireland. We are in a coalition, not a coalition, we are

:30:25. > :30:27.in a hung parliament situation that means we have to negotiate with

:30:28. > :30:32.other parties and that means the policies that the Government put

:30:33. > :30:35.forward get adapted and amended in negotiation with those parties.

:30:36. > :30:36.That's what happens in hung parliament situations. That's what

:30:37. > :30:45.we've done. That is all very admirable, but if

:30:46. > :30:47.you had won the election in turn round and said, Northern Ireland

:30:48. > :30:56.needs investment immediately because it is terrible, but that is not what

:30:57. > :30:58.has happened. It just wouldn't be happening because it wouldn't be

:30:59. > :31:03.your priority. Your priority is clinging to power to the detriment

:31:04. > :31:08.of the country. You are an affront to this country. Let him respond.

:31:09. > :31:13.Our priority is doing what is right that the UK, and I have absolutely

:31:14. > :31:17.no doubt that a Government led by Jeremy Corbyn would have been a

:31:18. > :31:22.catastrophe for this country. And that is why we have entered into an

:31:23. > :31:29.agreement with another political party in the UK to form a stable

:31:30. > :31:33.Government. That is what happens when you have a hung parliament

:31:34. > :31:36.situation. Those negotiations have meant that in addition to the

:31:37. > :31:40.additional spending that we are putting into health and public

:31:41. > :31:44.services around the rest of the UK, we are also putting additional

:31:45. > :31:48.spending into Northern Ireland, above that which was already planned

:31:49. > :31:52.for, of course, but that is a by-product of a hung parliament

:31:53. > :32:05.agreement. OK, thank you, all of you, very much. Thank you to James

:32:06. > :32:08.cleverly, who gave up his time at the last minute to talk on behalf of

:32:09. > :32:11.the Conservative Government. We appreciate your time, all of you.

:32:12. > :32:13.The now notorious cladding on the outside of Grenfell tower

:32:14. > :32:16.is widely believed to have been partly responsible for the rapid

:32:17. > :32:21.But almost two weeks on, no one knows whether it complied

:32:22. > :32:25.with building safety regulations or not.

:32:26. > :32:29.Was the cladding legal or wasn't it - and are people living in tower

:32:30. > :32:35.75 high rise buildings, in 26 local authority areas in England,

:32:36. > :32:41.have now failed fire safety tests ordered after Grenfell.

:32:42. > :32:45.Of those examined - so far - every single sample has failed.

:32:46. > :32:47.Urgent fire testing is continuing on buildings.

:32:48. > :32:55.Our reporter Jim Reed has been looking into this.

:32:56. > :33:01.Are the cladding panels illegal or not, Jim? It is really frustrating

:33:02. > :33:04.for everyone, but we still cannot answer that question. We put in

:33:05. > :33:09.calls left right and centre yesterday. The Government cannot

:33:10. > :33:14.answer either. The Housing minister was asked repeatedly whether the

:33:15. > :33:19.cladding panels, the stuff on the outside of Grenfell Tower, was it

:33:20. > :33:21.illegal? Repeatedly asked but could not answer, saying it was

:33:22. > :33:28.noncompliant with building regulations. What does that mean?

:33:29. > :33:32.The regulations are so one clear. Someone described them as about as

:33:33. > :33:36.clear as mud, so it depends how you interpret the language in the

:33:37. > :33:42.regulations. One person says one thing, another person says another.

:33:43. > :33:45.Another thing is that the police have said they are considering

:33:46. > :33:51.criminal charges in this case. There is a long-standing arrangement in

:33:52. > :33:55.British politics that politicians do not like to interfere or influence a

:33:56. > :33:58.police investigation, so as soon as the police said that, it made it

:33:59. > :34:02.quite difficult for the Government to come out on television and say,

:34:03. > :34:08.yes, this was definitely illegal. OK, so what would a case come down

:34:09. > :34:13.to? Who could potentially be prosecuted? It is complicated. The

:34:14. > :34:17.cladding was attached by a contractor, who then gave the work

:34:18. > :34:23.to a subcontractor. There is a whole chain of people. At the same time,

:34:24. > :34:29.it was signed off by the council. Lawyers we spoke to yesterday say

:34:30. > :34:40.that signing off in that way is key. Key, as in, liability. Potentially.

:34:41. > :34:45.There was another case in 2009 the Lakanal House, and in that case,

:34:46. > :34:48.Southwark Council were fined for signing off something they should

:34:49. > :34:53.not have done. That was part of the case against them. In this case, we

:34:54. > :34:56.do not know yet who was responsible, and the investigation is ongoing,

:34:57. > :35:00.but that is one route that prosecutors could potentially take.

:35:01. > :35:05.There is also the option of corporate manslaughter, quite a new

:35:06. > :35:12.law, only brought in in 2008, and there could be an unlimited fine for

:35:13. > :35:17.any of the organisation is involved. -- organisations involved. They

:35:18. > :35:21.would have to prove that senior managers in organisations were aware

:35:22. > :35:25.of what was going on, so it is harder to get to that stage of

:35:26. > :35:34.proof. In terms of the testing of cladding, what is the latest? 75

:35:35. > :35:39.buildings in 26 council areas across England, every single sample sent in

:35:40. > :35:42.so far, coming back unsafe. The big question is, what are they testing

:35:43. > :35:47.for? We asked the Government again and again yesterday and didn't get a

:35:48. > :35:50.response. We think they are testing the combustibility of the panels.

:35:51. > :35:54.People in the industry say that is one way of looking at it, but to get

:35:55. > :35:58.an idea of how safe the outside of the building is, you need to look at

:35:59. > :36:03.everything - the installation, Windows, the way it is fixed. This

:36:04. > :36:07.could be confusing because the test does not get at the overall level of

:36:08. > :36:09.fire safety, so how worthwhile visit? Thank you for the moment,

:36:10. > :36:11.Jim. Arnold Tarling is a chartered

:36:12. > :36:22.surveyor and a fire safety expert. Evildoer quick swap with Jim. Good

:36:23. > :36:27.morning. Good morning. Are you shocked that we do not have clarity

:36:28. > :36:33.yet on whether the cladding was illegal or not on Grenfell Tower?

:36:34. > :36:38.No, because the building regulations are such a complete and utter

:36:39. > :36:46.tangle, it's incredibly confusing. It's convoluted. You go from close

:36:47. > :36:52.to clause, and based on my reading and that of many other people, those

:36:53. > :36:57.panels do comply. Really? Yes. You cannot possibly get 75 blocks with

:36:58. > :37:02.75 test all failing if people knew what the building regulations were

:37:03. > :37:07.meant to say, if they were meant to be fire resistant. That is very

:37:08. > :37:14.interesting. Do you happen to know who wrote the building regulations

:37:15. > :37:24.part B was Max the GLC and other advisers, but that was before my

:37:25. > :37:31.time. Civil servants and experts? Yes. And when were they brought in?

:37:32. > :37:35.The first set was in 2000. In 2006, it is word for word the same. There

:37:36. > :37:41.were revisions in 2010 and 2013, none of which dealt with sorting out

:37:42. > :37:46.the mess on external cladding. OK, so is your understanding that people

:37:47. > :37:50.have been interpreting it in any way they want, effectively, so that you

:37:51. > :37:52.think the cladding is complied, legal, safe, but others might

:37:53. > :37:59.interpret it different make when they look at -- differently when

:38:00. > :38:05.they look at the regulations? If they interpret it differently, I

:38:06. > :38:11.would like to show -- I would like them to show me how. Some people are

:38:12. > :38:19.claiming that the external cladding was actually installation. It isn't.

:38:20. > :38:24.Who was claiming that? I have seen that coming up from Government, that

:38:25. > :38:28.two sheets of metal with a polyethylene call was the

:38:29. > :38:32.installation, and it isn't. If you go to a building research

:38:33. > :38:37.Establishment document, they will refer -- they are referred to as

:38:38. > :38:41.experts by the Government, it is good building guide number 31, all

:38:42. > :38:44.about external cladding and insulation for buildings. They

:38:45. > :38:50.clearly differentiates the installation which is stuck to the

:38:51. > :38:55.building, saying there is often an air gap, and down the outside, you

:38:56. > :38:59.have the cladding. They differentiate installation from

:39:00. > :39:04.cladding, so it is Humpty Dumpty interpretation to say that this

:39:05. > :39:09.metal cladding is now insulation, it is what I say it is, because I think

:39:10. > :39:17.it is. It is crazy. OK, thank you very much.

:39:18. > :39:24.Tomorrow, we will be dedicating the programme to Grenfell Tower, two

:39:25. > :39:30.weeks on from the tragedy, speaking to local residents and survivors. Do

:39:31. > :39:33.join us at 9am on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel and online.

:39:34. > :39:35.The level of homophobic bullying in Britain's secondary schools has

:39:36. > :39:38.fallen by a third in a decade, according to a study

:39:39. > :39:41.The study, commissioned by the gay rights charity Stonewall,

:39:42. > :39:44.says the use of insulting language is less frequent and schools

:39:45. > :39:46.are more likely to prevent attacks on gay pupils.

:39:47. > :39:51.But the report says 45% of gay pupils still face bullying.

:39:52. > :40:05.We can speak now to David Braniff-Herbert,

:40:06. > :40:08.who was bullied at school over his sexuality, he's now a LGBT

:40:09. > :40:10.activist and to Jake Jones, a secondary school PE teacher

:40:11. > :40:13.in East London who can tell us how his school is tackling

:40:14. > :40:18.Welcome to both of you. Thank you for talking to us. David, hello.

:40:19. > :40:22.Bullying started to you when you went to secondary school when you're

:40:23. > :40:26.about 13, 14 years of age. Tell our audience about that. It was a

:40:27. > :40:29.terrifying experience for me, School. It started with

:40:30. > :40:36.name-calling, and I think it is because I wasn't the sort of usual

:40:37. > :40:41.masculine type. I think my voice was different. As soon as they picked up

:40:42. > :40:46.on that, they homed in on it and did that continually. It started with

:40:47. > :40:55.name-calling, but it continually escalated. And the impact on you? I

:40:56. > :41:00.mean, I think I was about 14 when my hair started to fall out. And the

:41:01. > :41:05.stress was getting to me so substantially that I started to

:41:06. > :41:13.consider self harm, started to have thoughts about killing myself. And

:41:14. > :41:17.that was a really tough time. My mother could see that there was

:41:18. > :41:28.something going on, and she took me to the doctor, and the doctor

:41:29. > :41:37.diagnosed me with depression. I was given antidepressants. So, it was a

:41:38. > :41:45.really tough time, walking round the school was pretty tough, terrifying.

:41:46. > :41:55.Let me bring in J, a PE teacher. -- Jake. You teach pupils in years

:41:56. > :41:59.7-11. What do you cover in lessons that may have contributed to the

:42:00. > :42:05.drop in the rate of bullying of LGBT students? In terms of the classes,

:42:06. > :42:12.there is huge scope for a lot of content that could be covered. My

:42:13. > :42:21.school has a cutback pride youth network, and this is a group of

:42:22. > :42:30.young people -- my school has a Pride youth network. We will talk

:42:31. > :42:34.about LGBT history at assembly, we will talk about issues around

:42:35. > :42:36.homophobic and transfer big bullying, and it is just about

:42:37. > :42:43.having role models outside of school. When you have young people

:42:44. > :42:48.who identify as LGBT, they can kind of see that there are aspirations

:42:49. > :42:52.and ever is somewhere for them to go. There is some great

:42:53. > :42:55.organisations out there, and I think in terms of resource, there was a

:42:56. > :43:01.plethora, and it is about showing other schools and teachers where to

:43:02. > :43:04.go. I have been lucky enough to be privy to this information through

:43:05. > :43:11.the work I have done in the LGBT community, so there are great

:43:12. > :43:16.organisations such as Diversity Role models, who will bring in people

:43:17. > :43:24.from the community, people who will do training, Pride youth networks,

:43:25. > :43:27.and Mermaid, a charity for trans-youth and their families. I

:43:28. > :43:33.think it is definitely going in the right direction. We are going in the

:43:34. > :43:37.right direction, but there are practical policies that will move us

:43:38. > :43:41.in the right direction, such as gender neutral toilets, cubicles in

:43:42. > :43:45.changing rooms. The classes bring up quite a lot of different issues for

:43:46. > :43:49.pupils in that remit, and there is definitely work to be done, but it

:43:50. > :43:52.is not all bad. There is some great stuff going on out there. And we

:43:53. > :44:01.have definitely had some positive experience here at my school. Thank

:44:02. > :44:09.you, Jake. And thank you, David, for coming on the programme.

:44:10. > :44:11.?46,000 for a two-day train journey for Prince Charles.

:44:12. > :44:14.?1.2 million to replace doors at the orangery at Windsor Castle.

:44:15. > :44:16.?1.5 million spending on food and drink hospitality in the Queen's

:44:17. > :44:18.households, the latest royal accounts make

:44:19. > :44:22.They show that the Queen is to receive an 8% increase

:44:23. > :44:24.in her income from public funds after the Crown Estate posted

:44:25. > :44:34.Robert Haigh is director of the consultancy

:44:35. > :44:37.Brand Finance who, for the last four years have been valuing

:44:38. > :44:53.Is that right, Robert? Yes. What do you think of the Royal household

:44:54. > :44:57.expenditure? If you look at it in the context of expenditure that

:44:58. > :45:02.would be happening in a political context, the numbers are not that

:45:03. > :45:06.high. Obviously, very different - one lot is elected, one lot

:45:07. > :45:09.definitely not. But if you look at the value the Queen can deliver for

:45:10. > :45:14.the country, it is certainly justified. We calculated that the

:45:15. > :45:20.monarchy makes a net contribution to the UK annually of over ?1.1

:45:21. > :45:24.billion. It is value for money. That's interesting. How have you

:45:25. > :45:29.worked out that net contribution? We look at the value from uplift to

:45:30. > :45:34.tourism through the additional appeal of having the monarchy, to

:45:35. > :45:40.heritage sites and international tourism. We also look at the

:45:41. > :45:44.equivalent value of the PR generated by the Royal family, which may sound

:45:45. > :45:47.spurious, but it is genuinely beneficial to the UK to have that

:45:48. > :45:51.additional focus on the country through the activities of the

:45:52. > :45:56.younger royals and the Queen herself. The next point, you know,

:45:57. > :45:59.would we not still have that net contribution without the personnel,

:46:00. > :46:05.if we just add Buckingham Palace, if we just at Windsor Castle? Would we

:46:06. > :46:08.not still have that uplift? There is certainly value in the assets

:46:09. > :46:13.themselves. There is a big heritage tourism industry in France, for

:46:14. > :46:17.example. But there is no doubt that the reality of having a living

:46:18. > :46:20.monarchy increases the appeal, and just the fact that the are these

:46:21. > :46:23.living characters the international media can focus on makes that appeal

:46:24. > :46:29.much more significant for the tourism market. Thank you very much.

:46:30. > :46:32.A Sikh couple say they were told they couldn't adopt a white child

:46:33. > :46:38.The couple told an adoption agency they were happy to take a child

:46:39. > :46:40.from any ethnic background, but say they were advised instead

:46:41. > :46:45.It's legal for adoption agencies to give preference to parents

:46:46. > :46:47.from the same ethnic group, but Government guidelines say

:46:48. > :46:54.different racial backgrounds should not prevent a couple from adopting.

:46:55. > :47:00.Let's talk to the couple, Reena and Sandeep Mander,

:47:01. > :47:03.from their home in Maidenhead and with us in the studio

:47:04. > :47:06.is their solicitor, Georgina Calvert-Lee.

:47:07. > :47:13.Hello all of you. Let me talk to you both about your

:47:14. > :47:18.experience before we bring in your solicitor. How did you react when

:47:19. > :47:24.you were told that? Oh, we were shocked. Upset, angry, all the words

:47:25. > :47:32.that you can think of, yes. And what did you say? Very hurt.

:47:33. > :47:36.What did you say? Sorry, what was the question. There is a delay on

:47:37. > :47:44.the line so forgive me. What did you say when you were told that? Well,

:47:45. > :47:49.we were just very shocked and we, when we were told that we couldn't

:47:50. > :47:52.adopt because of things like cultural heritage and that was one

:47:53. > :47:58.of the sole factors really we were quite shocked so we challenged and

:47:59. > :48:01.said why don't you come and understand who we are as people

:48:02. > :48:05.rather than just looking at one factorment we're British born. We're

:48:06. > :48:08.born and bred and we're like any other British couple and whilst

:48:09. > :48:12.things like cultural heritage, we believe is important, we think a

:48:13. > :48:16.number of factors need to be looked at, you know, your cultural

:48:17. > :48:21.heritage, your financial stability, the couple, that you are, how young

:48:22. > :48:24.you are, where you live, all sorts of things need to be looked at and

:48:25. > :48:29.the fact that they looked at this one particular area of cultural

:48:30. > :48:36.heritage and didn't proceed our application because of that made us

:48:37. > :48:40.feel angry. Well, our next steps are actually going through the

:48:41. > :48:45.international adoption route, but for this case itself, we rant to

:48:46. > :48:49.raise awareness. We want this not to happen to other couples. We want to

:48:50. > :48:53.make sure it is changed. Going through the international adoption

:48:54. > :48:59.route is a costly affair and you know, anyone would struggle to go

:49:00. > :49:02.through that route. But it's really about changing this policy now so it

:49:03. > :49:07.doesn't affect other couples. OK. Well, let's bring in your solicitor

:49:08. > :49:12.then. So just remind people what the rules

:49:13. > :49:15.are then, what the guidelines are? Well, the cultural heart ableg is

:49:16. > :49:20.clearly an important factor along with many other things and the

:49:21. > :49:26.problem in this case is that it has been prioritised as a threshold

:49:27. > :49:33.consideration. So whereas they want to register their interest in

:49:34. > :49:38.adopting, as you might register to participate in a race, they are not

:49:39. > :49:43.asking to win the race, they are register. They were not allowed to

:49:44. > :49:46.register and told that it was principally bass the adoption agency

:49:47. > :49:50.thought that they couldn't win. Well, that's not how the law is

:49:51. > :49:53.meant to work. What is meant to happen is that the considerations of

:49:54. > :49:58.cultural heritage and the many other factors are considered on a case by

:49:59. > :50:03.case basis in relation to the child, but anyone who wants to adopt and is

:50:04. > :50:08.over 18, can register, ought to be able under the law to register to

:50:09. > :50:13.adopt and then when children come up and become available for adoption it

:50:14. > :50:16.is at that point that a specific child factors relate to go a

:50:17. > :50:23.specific child are considered and the best match is sought. So, we

:50:24. > :50:30.don't think that adopt Berkshire in this case or any other agency are

:50:31. > :50:36.correct as prir advertising as a threshold matter. That would, that

:50:37. > :50:44.is a ban on interracial adoption? It is almost like a form of segregation

:50:45. > :50:45.which seems wrong. We have a statement from the Adopt Berkshire

:50:46. > :51:04.Agency. They said they don't comment on

:51:05. > :51:10.individual cases. What do you intend to do next? We are going down the

:51:11. > :51:14.intercountry adoption route. We have had a nine or ten month gruelling

:51:15. > :51:20.process. We have had the training for that and we are so excited about

:51:21. > :51:23.it. We have been approved by the Department for Education for that

:51:24. > :51:27.now, so we are in the process of appointing our lawyers in the USA to

:51:28. > :51:30.manage our USA affairs. That's where our focus is right now and we are

:51:31. > :51:36.100% committed to that and really excited about it. Could you not go

:51:37. > :51:41.elsewhere in Great Britain, use another agency or is it to do with

:51:42. > :51:48.where you live? Well, we could have gone else. I looked at a different

:51:49. > :51:51.adoption agency at the time, I think maybe Barnardo's, they weren't

:51:52. > :51:55.taking domestic adoption at the time and there is other places we could

:51:56. > :52:03.have gone as well, but the very first communication we got from

:52:04. > :52:07.Adopt berk painted a bleak picture that we wouldn't have much chance in

:52:08. > :52:11.the UK which is why we decided to go oun the intercountry route. How do

:52:12. > :52:23.you feel about the way you have been forced to proceed? I think it's been

:52:24. > :52:31.quite hurtful in the way that it has been pushed forward from a cultural

:52:32. > :52:36.heritage prospective. What makes a good parent and I think that the

:52:37. > :52:40.fact that we've gone through the international adoption centre and

:52:41. > :52:45.actually been successful and been signed off by the Department for

:52:46. > :52:50.Education to a adopt from the USA, that would have been the same

:52:51. > :52:53.process that we would have gone through through the domestic route.

:52:54. > :52:59.It is quite hurtful that, we were, I suppose, written off at the first

:53:00. > :53:05.hurdle. As Georgina said, we weren't looking to win the race, we didn't

:53:06. > :53:09.get to the application stage and you know all we're saying is, look at us

:53:10. > :53:20.as a whole, don't just look at cultural heritage. We are a British

:53:21. > :53:23.couple. Cultural heritage can mean a number of things, we may not be

:53:24. > :53:25.suitable, but look at the holistic picture.

:53:26. > :53:47.Thank you for your time. The President Trump ordered missile

:53:48. > :53:51.strikes gebs Syria in April after civilians were killed by chemical

:53:52. > :53:55.weapons. With me now is a Middle East cultural expert who lived in

:53:56. > :54:04.Syria before and during the revolution. She is the author of My

:54:05. > :54:09.House In Damascus, An Inside View Of The Crisis. With us is a Syrian

:54:10. > :54:14.doctor who lives in the UK. His nephew was injured in a chemical

:54:15. > :54:18.weapons attack in 2013. He lives there along with his family. OK,

:54:19. > :54:24.let's talk to them both now. Good morning to you. First of all, what

:54:25. > :54:28.do you think of the intelligence that Donald Trump is receiving that

:54:29. > :54:38.suggest that is a chemical weapons attack is being prepared. Thank you

:54:39. > :54:43.very much. Well, actually, I think the west don't take the appropriate

:54:44. > :54:49.measures to stop President Assad and his aides from using these lethal

:54:50. > :54:58.weapons. What do you believe the appropriate measures are? When we go

:54:59. > :55:05.back to April time, the American response was attacking an airport

:55:06. > :55:11.which didn't leave major impact on the Syrian regime or its attitude or

:55:12. > :55:17.behaviour. So whenever the... You think they should have attacked

:55:18. > :55:22.something else? They have to be more determined that chemical weapons

:55:23. > :55:29.should not be used. Can I be really specific about what you are saying?

:55:30. > :55:32.Are you saying the Americans should bomb t chemical weapons facilities

:55:33. > :55:37.or Assad's home or his palace, what are you saying? Of course. All of

:55:38. > :55:45.those? All of those. If you look at the attacks that took place in

:55:46. > :55:52.details, what did the regime lose? He lost almost nothing. He's

:55:53. > :55:57.preparing for more attacks on the Idlib area and the rebel-held areas

:55:58. > :56:10.around Syria What do you think of President Trump's warning? Well, I

:56:11. > :56:13.agree with Mohamed that here we are seventh year of the war, in Ersha of

:56:14. > :56:19.the west and the previous American administration and look where we've

:56:20. > :56:25.ended up. President Obama said use this is a red line and then nothing

:56:26. > :56:29.happened. So that was like giving Assad a green light to carry on

:56:30. > :56:33.using barrel bombs and all the other methods of killing. People forget

:56:34. > :56:37.the figures range between 75% and 90% of the people killed in this war

:56:38. > :56:45.are killed by the Assad regime and it's allies. A tiny proportion are

:56:46. > :56:52.killed by Isis. Something like 3% to 5 percent and yet we in the west all

:56:53. > :56:55.we do is focus on Isis. Isis is the symptom of Assad and somehow we have

:56:56. > :57:01.got this completely skewed. The media is so locked in on Isis. If

:57:02. > :57:04.the US did what Mohamed would like them to do, what do you think the

:57:05. > :57:08.Russians would do in response who are backing President Assad of

:57:09. > :57:13.Syria? This is interesting, of course, because Russia entered the

:57:14. > :57:19.Syrian stage if you like with 30 aeroplanes, you know, less than two

:57:20. > :57:22.years ago and has taken the agenda. Have taken the agenda completely

:57:23. > :57:26.because of the vacuum. What do you think they would do? They have to

:57:27. > :57:29.think seriously because the Americans can completely out gun

:57:30. > :57:32.them. They know Trump is serious. Trump has shown that he is not a man

:57:33. > :57:37.to be messed with. He doesn't make idle threats and so I think at the

:57:38. > :57:42.moment they're still just pushing to see how far Trump really will go.

:57:43. > :57:46.This is why there have been so many incidents in recent weeks, there has

:57:47. > :57:49.been this constant tiny escalations which ended with the US shooting

:57:50. > :57:54.down the Syrian plane for the first time. So, it's kind of inching up

:57:55. > :58:00.and each one Putin and Trump are kind of feeling each other out to

:58:01. > :58:04.see how far this is going to go. So, yes, I mean, it's going to come to a

:58:05. > :58:12.head and of course, the reason it's so key is because of what's going to

:58:13. > :58:16.happen when Raqqa falls. Everyone is fighting for the geopolitical area

:58:17. > :58:17.now that used to be a back water, but now it has become so important.

:58:18. > :58:28.Thank you very much. The European competition watchdog

:58:29. > :58:32.fined Google over 2 billion euros for abusing its dominance as a

:58:33. > :58:37.Brexit means Brexit. We did it!

:58:38. > :58:40.To pretend that it's going to be plain sailing is such

:58:41. > :58:44.knuckle-headed lunacy. Happy days are here.