30/06/2017

:00:00. > :00:08.Hello, it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:09. > :00:15.Documents seen by BBC News suggest the cladding recently fitted

:00:16. > :00:16.on Grenfell Tower was nearly ?300,000 cheaper

:00:17. > :00:23.This latest development in the fire's aftermath comes

:00:24. > :00:26.as a council meeting last night descended into chaos.

:00:27. > :00:30.An absolute fiasco, this is why I'm calling for your resignation,

:00:31. > :00:33.not because of what happened with the fire, but the sheer

:00:34. > :00:36.and ongoing incompetence that this council has shown ever

:00:37. > :00:43.We'll bring you the latest from the scene in west London.

:00:44. > :00:48.The end of a long and desperate journey.

:00:49. > :00:51.The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard - who lost their fight

:00:52. > :00:53.to take him to America for experimental treatment -

:00:54. > :00:55.say his life support will be switched off today.

:00:56. > :00:58.It's going to be the worst day of our lives.

:00:59. > :01:02.We know what day our son is going to die and we don't even get a say

:01:03. > :01:09.We'll look back at the enormous effort they went

:01:10. > :01:11.to, to keep him alive.

:01:12. > :01:13.Donald Trump's travel ban takes effect after months of controversy.

:01:14. > :01:16.People from six mainly Muslim countries and all refugees will now

:01:17. > :01:19.face a tougher time getting into the US.

:01:20. > :01:32.The president says it's designed to stop terrorism.

:01:33. > :01:36.Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

:01:37. > :01:38.After a fall in knife crime, levels are now

:01:39. > :01:45.Four people killed in four days this week.

:01:46. > :01:48.We are talking to a mum whose son was stabbed and killed and also

:01:49. > :01:53.Do get in touch on all the stories we're

:01:54. > :01:55.talking about this morning - use the hashtag VictoriaLIVE

:01:56. > :01:58.and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:01:59. > :02:03.Our top story today - cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower

:02:04. > :02:14.during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly

:02:15. > :02:16.?300,000 less than the original version chosen, a document seen

:02:17. > :02:21.At least 80 people were killed when the tower block in west London

:02:22. > :02:25.A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last

:02:26. > :02:28.night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over

:02:29. > :02:30.the attendance of members of the public and press.

:02:31. > :02:35.He wants answers, and the rest of us...

:02:36. > :02:37.A meeting of councillors ending in chaos.

:02:38. > :02:40.Another sign of a council creaking under pressure.

:02:41. > :02:46.Having failed to properly respond to the disaster, last night,

:02:47. > :02:49.Kensington and Chelsea failed in a bid to ban reporters

:02:50. > :03:01.A High Court judge had to remind senior councillors their discussions

:03:02. > :03:06.are supposed to be open so the top team walked out.

:03:07. > :03:09.The leader of the council's Labour group is demanding changes

:03:10. > :03:16.I want the senior leadership of the council and the cabinet to resign.

:03:17. > :03:19.I want a new organisation in the council who can finally get

:03:20. > :03:24.to grips with the situation and make sure that my residents are properly

:03:25. > :03:31.Ten days after this disaster, and I'll remind you,

:03:32. > :03:34.we are only two or three miles away from Parliament, we're not

:03:35. > :03:37.in the middle of a third world country, ten days

:03:38. > :03:40.after the disaster, my people are still not being housed properly.

:03:41. > :03:44.They are still not getting the access to the money

:03:45. > :03:52.Before last night's meeting, the council leader accepted

:03:53. > :03:54.the criticism but said he was not going.

:03:55. > :03:57.The scale of this was absolutely enormous, unprecedented.

:03:58. > :04:01.I think any council would have found it difficult to have

:04:02. > :04:06.This was a very big challenge for a relatively small London

:04:07. > :04:09.borough and I'm sure we could have done better and we will look

:04:10. > :04:11.at what we could have done differently or quicker or better

:04:12. > :04:15.and that will be one of the lessons that we learn from this tragedy.

:04:16. > :04:18.The panels stuck on the building are a key area for the investigation.

:04:19. > :04:23.The BBC has been told that during refurbishment,

:04:24. > :04:26.zinc cladding was rejected in favour of an aluminium alternative,

:04:27. > :04:31.not as fire retardant, although it has the same official rating.

:04:32. > :04:34.It was chosen because it was cheaper.

:04:35. > :04:37.The council saved more than ?290,000.

:04:38. > :04:40.How costly that decision could have been is one of many

:04:41. > :04:50.A man has been charged with fraud after allegedly claiming

:04:51. > :04:53.he lost family members in the Grenfell Tower fire.

:04:54. > :04:56.Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52 and of no fixed address,

:04:57. > :05:11.We will speak to the chairman of the Local Government Association shortly

:05:12. > :05:13.for his reaction to everything that is going on after the Grenfell Tower

:05:14. > :05:16.fire. First, Annita is in the BBC

:05:17. > :05:27.Newsroom with a summary The parents of ten-month-old Charlie

:05:28. > :05:31.Gard, who fought an unsuccessful legal battle to take him to America

:05:32. > :05:36.for experimental treatment, say he will stop receiving life-support

:05:37. > :05:40.today. Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage. Doctors

:05:41. > :05:42.at Great Ormond Street Hospital said the US treatment would not help him.

:05:43. > :05:45.We should be over the road, sitting next to our son,

:05:46. > :05:47.Charlie Gard's bed, spending the last precious

:05:48. > :05:56.But we just thought we would take five minutes out to come

:05:57. > :06:01.It's a video no one should ever have to make.

:06:02. > :06:06.In a heart-breaking YouTube post, ten-month-old Charlie Gard's parents

:06:07. > :06:11.say they're being denied their last hope for their baby boy.

:06:12. > :06:14.We promised our little boy every single day

:06:15. > :06:17.that we would take him home, because that is a promise

:06:18. > :06:23.We want to give him a bath at home, we want to sit on the sofa with him,

:06:24. > :06:27.we want to sleep in the bed with him, we want to put him

:06:28. > :06:31.in a cot that he's never slept in, but we are now being denied that.

:06:32. > :06:33.Charlie was born with a rare genetic condition and is

:06:34. > :06:39.Connie Yates and Chris Gard have been fighting to

:06:40. > :06:42.keep his life support switched on since March,

:06:43. > :06:45.despite doctors saying there's no hope for improvement.

:06:46. > :06:49.They took their fight all the way to the European Court of Human Rights.

:06:50. > :06:53.But this week, they lost, as judges agreed with the British

:06:54. > :06:57.courts it was most likely Charlie was being exposed to continued pain.

:06:58. > :07:01.Today, his life support will be switched off.

:07:02. > :07:03.His parents say they're being rushed at the most difficult

:07:04. > :07:10.The 4th of August 2016 was the best day of our life,

:07:11. > :07:18.But 30th June, 2017, is going to be the worst

:07:19. > :07:24.Great Ormond Street Hospital say they won't comment on specific

:07:25. > :07:27.details of patient care, but this is a very distressing

:07:28. > :07:29.situation for Charlie's parents and all of the staff involved

:07:30. > :07:39.The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage.

:07:40. > :07:42.The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples full marital rights

:07:43. > :07:52.Let's get more from Berlin correspondent, Jenny Hill. Good

:07:53. > :07:57.morning. The Chancellor herself voted against this bill but she gave

:07:58. > :08:02.MPs a free vote, didn't she? Yes come Angela Merkel will, I suppose,

:08:03. > :08:06.go down in history as the Chancellor who in effect made same-sex marriage

:08:07. > :08:11.possible in Germany. This all happened in a very last minute and

:08:12. > :08:15.dramatic fashion. Earlier this week, Mrs Merkel gave an interview during

:08:16. > :08:18.which she appeared to drop her long-standing opposition to same-sex

:08:19. > :08:26.marriage and said that she would give MPs a free vote on the subject.

:08:27. > :08:29.That allowed her left-wing political opposition to effectively jumped at

:08:30. > :08:33.the chance to push through a bill they have been trying to get into

:08:34. > :08:36.Parliament for many years. They managed to do it right at the last

:08:37. > :08:41.minute. Parliament goes on summer holidays tomorrow. Mrs Merkel,

:08:42. > :08:46.because she had allowed MPs a free vote, effectively Dave Parliamentary

:08:47. > :08:50.approval. It meant there was enough support across Parliament to pass

:08:51. > :08:55.the legislation, even though she herself then voted against the

:08:56. > :08:59.measure. In a way, I suspect she was trying to appeal to the more

:09:00. > :09:03.conservative elements of her own party whilst in effect allowing this

:09:04. > :09:06.to go ahead. Bear in mind, Mrs Merkel has an election later this

:09:07. > :09:09.year and she might have to go into coalition with parties who would

:09:10. > :09:16.have demanded same-sex marriage legislation as part of a coalition

:09:17. > :09:19.agreement. So a lot of politics going on behind-the-scenes but

:09:20. > :09:23.certainly in Germany, I think it is a decision which is very welcome.

:09:24. > :09:28.The majority of Germans, a poll suggests, are in favour of same-sex

:09:29. > :09:31.marriage. It is one of the very last, I suppose, Western liberal

:09:32. > :09:34.democracy to bring in this legislation. It is likely to face

:09:35. > :09:37.some challenges at the Constitutional Court but if all goes

:09:38. > :09:41.according to plan, it should come into force by the end of the year.

:09:42. > :09:41.Thank you for joining us. Jenny Hill in Berlin.

:09:42. > :09:43.Parts of President Trump's controversial travel ban have

:09:44. > :09:47.On Monday, a Supreme Court ruling upheld the temporary ban,

:09:48. > :09:52.which covers visitors from six mainly Muslim countries

:09:53. > :09:54.and means people without "close" family or business relationships

:09:55. > :09:56.in the US could be denied visas and barred entry.

:09:57. > :09:59.But the measures have already been brought back to court

:10:00. > :10:07.An investigation by chemical weapons inspectors has concluded

:10:08. > :10:11.that the banned nerve agent sarin was used in an attack

:10:12. > :10:14.on a rebel-held town in northern Syria in April.

:10:15. > :10:17.More than 80 people were killed.

:10:18. > :10:19.The attack prompted the United States to launch a cruise

:10:20. > :10:22.missile strike on a Syrian government air base.

:10:23. > :10:24.The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he had no doubt

:10:25. > :10:26.Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad's forces were involved

:10:27. > :10:34.Funerals for two of the Manchester bombing victims will

:10:35. > :10:43.22 people were killed when suicide bomber Salman Abedi detonated

:10:44. > :10:45.a device as crowds left an Ariana Grande concert.

:10:46. > :10:48.A service will be held for 29-year-old Martyn Hett

:10:49. > :10:50.at Stockport Town Hall, which will also be screened

:10:51. > :10:53.onto the street outside for members of the public.

:10:54. > :10:54.Another funeral will take place for 15-year-old

:10:55. > :11:02.The American tennis player Venus Williams,

:11:03. > :11:06.who is due to play at Wimbledon next week, has been involved in a car

:11:07. > :11:08.crash which led to the death of a 78-year-old man.

:11:09. > :11:11.A police spokesman told the BBC they were investigating

:11:12. > :11:13.the incident in Florida, which happened earlier this month.

:11:14. > :11:16.Williams' lawyer said the tennis star "expresses her deepest

:11:17. > :11:25.More than a quarter of women who are overdue for

:11:26. > :11:27.a cervical cancer test don't know screening is available,

:11:28. > :11:31.The charity found there was a particular lack

:11:32. > :11:35.of awareness among women who spoke English as a second language.

:11:36. > :11:39.Around 3,000 new cases are diagnosed every year and the charity says more

:11:40. > :11:44.needs to be done to reach women who are missing tests.

:11:45. > :11:48.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:11:49. > :12:00.Let us know your thoughts on knife crime. The number of knife crime

:12:01. > :12:04.attacks in London has gone up quite dramatically this year. We are going

:12:05. > :12:07.to be talking about why and what can be done to try to reverse the trend.

:12:08. > :12:10.Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

:12:11. > :12:20.Just days away from the start of Wimbledon, Johanna Konta is looking

:12:21. > :12:23.in good form? Yes, it seems to be going pretty

:12:24. > :12:28.well for her ahead of this year's Wimbledon. We know already she's not

:12:29. > :12:31.the greatest grass court player and it is not her favourite surface

:12:32. > :12:34.she's only of a won one match at Wimbledon which is something she

:12:35. > :12:37.definitely going to be looking to improve this year. She won two

:12:38. > :12:44.matches yesterday in the warm up tournament in Eastbourne. Firstly,

:12:45. > :12:46.she came past French Open champion Jelena Ostapenko in three sets

:12:47. > :12:51.before her quarterfinal against the world number one Angelique Kerber.

:12:52. > :12:55.Johanna Konta took the first set 6-3, playing very well. But she fell

:12:56. > :12:58.heavily on match point in the second set and the match was delayed for

:12:59. > :13:02.about ten minutes as she had treatment. But she recovered and

:13:03. > :13:09.eventually took her fourth match point and the second set 6- for some

:13:10. > :13:12.good day at the British number one. -- 6-4. And Heather Watson is also

:13:13. > :13:18.into the last four in Eastbourne with a win over Barbora Strycova.

:13:19. > :13:21.She will take on former world number one Caroline Wozniacki later.

:13:22. > :13:26.Johanna Konta faces birdseed Karolina Pliskova. Lots to look

:13:27. > :13:30.forward to later. Good news for both of them but not so much for Andy

:13:31. > :13:34.Murray because his sore hip means he pulled out of his final warm up

:13:35. > :13:38.match, resting instead yesterday, and he said he is unlikely to be

:13:39. > :13:43.able to practise today which is not ideal preparation for the number one

:13:44. > :13:48.seed and the world number one. How about the world number 855? If you

:13:49. > :13:51.don't know who he is, his name is Alex Ward, the only Briton to come

:13:52. > :13:56.through singles qualifying for Wimbledon, doing it by coming from a

:13:57. > :14:01.set down to beat Teymuraz Gabashvili in four sets in Roehampton. He will

:14:02. > :14:05.be one of 12 British players in the main draw which is made in around an

:14:06. > :14:10.hour. We will have news on that a bit later. It is made even more

:14:11. > :14:14.amazing for Alex Ward as he was given a wild card just to get into

:14:15. > :14:19.qualifying having lost his previous seven matches before this week. It

:14:20. > :14:22.is a great result for him. So much for British tennis fans to look

:14:23. > :14:26.forward to in the next couple of weeks. Johanna Konta and Heather --

:14:27. > :14:29.and Heather Watson's semifinals will be on BBC Two straight after this

:14:30. > :14:35.programme. And we love an underdog is Alex Ward

:14:36. > :14:38.will have lots of support! Huge match in rugby union this weekend

:14:39. > :14:44.but it is the team selection for the Lions that has got everyone talking.

:14:45. > :14:49.We spoke about the pressure the Lions are under yesterday. Warren

:14:50. > :14:53.Gatland made some changes which have prompted raised eyebrows, former

:14:54. > :14:56.Welsh international Jonathan Davies telling the BBC that Warren Gatland

:14:57. > :14:59.had his last of the dice by putting Johnny Sexton and Owen Farrell in

:15:00. > :15:02.the back line together. Former player Jeremy Guscott has called the

:15:03. > :15:07.decision ambitious but said it could come at a cost, calling it a gamble.

:15:08. > :15:10.The Lions must win the second Test against New Zealand in Wellington at

:15:11. > :15:15.around this time tomorrow morning or they will hand the all Blacks the

:15:16. > :15:23.series win. It is about character this week for us. It is about

:15:24. > :15:30.manning up and putting everything on the line. It is that situation,

:15:31. > :15:34.isn't it? It is do or die for us. Indeed it is, a big game tomorrow

:15:35. > :15:38.morning, lots to look forward to. More sport later.

:15:39. > :15:41.Documents obtained by BBC News show that the cladding originally due

:15:42. > :15:43.to be installed on Grenfell Tower was changed to a version

:15:44. > :15:48.The cladding was fitted as part of a refurbishment

:15:49. > :15:51.and is thought to have contributed to the rapid spread of the blaze

:15:52. > :15:57.that consumed the 24-storey block two weeks ago.

:15:58. > :15:59.It comes as a meeting of senior councillors at Kensington

:16:00. > :16:01.and Chelsea town hall last night, which was linked to

:16:02. > :16:04.the Grenfell Tower tragedy, descended into chaos

:16:05. > :16:14.when it was scrapped as journalists entered the room.

:16:15. > :16:24.The media has been barred until a court order gave them permission to

:16:25. > :16:32.attend. The leader of the council was confronted by opposition

:16:33. > :16:37.councillors. This is a private meeting of the cabinet... Why are

:16:38. > :16:49.the press here then? To which councillors have been invited. I've

:16:50. > :16:55.agreed the meeting be held in private given the threats of

:16:56. > :17:02.assaults. Are there journalists here. I'm advised if there are

:17:03. > :17:08.others present we cannot have an open discussion. You have got

:17:09. > :17:13.journal I haves in the room. I understand we can't have an open

:17:14. > :17:21.discussion. You can't organise a cabinet meeting. We can't have an

:17:22. > :17:26.unprejudiced meeting if journalists are recording and writing our

:17:27. > :17:29.comments. Clearly they are, who let them in? You have spent a day

:17:30. > :17:33.talking about the security of the meeting and five minutes before it

:17:34. > :17:38.starts, the press are here. Now you're telling us we can't have a

:17:39. > :17:43.proper meeting. The press are here as a result of legal representation,

:17:44. > :17:46.that means we can't have the discussion we were intending to

:17:47. > :17:50.have. That will prejudice the inquiry. That is the legal advice I

:17:51. > :17:55.have received and I have to declare the meeting closed. You have used

:17:56. > :17:59.this as an opportunity for you to make a statement and no one gets to

:18:00. > :18:05.say anything. You could have issued that statement and you should have

:18:06. > :18:10.issued that statement eight days ago. That statement has just been

:18:11. > :18:20.issued. I would like to have a conversation, but I'm advised we

:18:21. > :18:24.can't do that. An absolute fiasco, because of the incompetence this

:18:25. > :18:32.council has shown since this happened. Thank you, my advice I we

:18:33. > :18:36.can't continue. You telling us you're taking advice, you're taking

:18:37. > :18:51.the wrong advice. You're not facing up even to your own councillors. Why

:18:52. > :18:55.don't you come and talk to people? You saw Robert

:18:56. > :18:58.Well you saw Robert Atkinson there, a labour councillor whose ward

:18:59. > :19:01.includes Grenfell Tower, criticising the the way

:19:02. > :19:04.He's been speaking to our reporter Dan Johnson

:19:05. > :19:09.We went with the idea that we would be briefed as to

:19:10. > :19:12.what the council is proposing to do in the longer term for the residents

:19:13. > :19:16.to take care of the housing needs, not just of the victims but the

:19:17. > :19:18.people of the surrounding area, so we had a whole series

:19:19. > :19:21.of questions and wished to have a genuine debate.

:19:22. > :19:23.The Leader of the Council read a statement,

:19:24. > :19:26.ten days ago, and then once he became aware

:19:27. > :19:29.he sought to change the meeting, which of course...

:19:30. > :19:31.To close the meeting, which, of course, we

:19:32. > :19:33.then challenged him and tried to ask our questions.

:19:34. > :19:39.Would you rather the meeting had gone ahead without the

:19:40. > :19:43.Well, initially, we were told that it

:19:44. > :19:46.would be a private meeting and that we could be

:19:47. > :19:49.frank with each other, but we ended up with the worst of

:19:50. > :19:53.The residents have a right to meet with the leaders of

:19:54. > :20:00.The leaders of the council have been hiding from the

:20:01. > :20:02.residents for the last week, and they should

:20:03. > :20:03.have had the courage to

:20:04. > :20:05.meet with people and answer questions.

:20:06. > :20:07.The least that we could do is to face the residents

:20:08. > :20:11.face-to-face, and they are not prepared to do it.

:20:12. > :20:16.I think they're frightened and they're in a panic, and they wish

:20:17. > :20:20.to give the impression that they are in control.

:20:21. > :20:23.And they're clearly not, as the entire nation saw last night.

:20:24. > :20:26.They can't even organise a meeting in the basement of their own Town

:20:27. > :20:30.What do you think should happen next?

:20:31. > :20:32.I think that the leadership of the council and the

:20:33. > :20:38.I think that the TMO organisation, which has

:20:39. > :20:41.completely collapsed and failed to do anything in the last ten days,

:20:42. > :20:46.They need to grasp hold of the housing and care needs of

:20:47. > :20:48.their residents and they need to do something.

:20:49. > :20:52.So, I'm now appealing to Tory backbenchers, who have now seen

:20:53. > :20:54.for themselves the way that their Cabinet is not

:20:55. > :20:58.coping, to get a grip and organise themselves.

:20:59. > :21:00.Wouldn't a wholesale change of leadership at

:21:01. > :21:05.the top of the council just cause more problems right now?

:21:06. > :21:07.Well, that's one reason why we waited - we

:21:08. > :21:09.did think that there might be more chaos,

:21:10. > :21:11.but actually, we're now in a

:21:12. > :21:14.situation where the other local authorities who have been supporting

:21:15. > :21:17.us want to pull out, but they are not able

:21:18. > :21:20.to pass responsibility, particularly not for the housing

:21:21. > :21:22.needs, back to the council, because the council is not

:21:23. > :21:25.functioning, which is why, at the end of the day

:21:26. > :21:28.yesterday, I urged the Government to send

:21:29. > :21:34.It's not often that a councillor calls for the abolition

:21:35. > :21:38.of his own council, but at the end of the day, as everybody so,

:21:39. > :21:40.You're saying Kensington and Chelsea just

:21:41. > :21:44.isn't up to this and it needs to be a higher power that takes over?

:21:45. > :21:46.Yes, it took the Government till last week to

:21:47. > :21:48.get rid of the chief executive of the council.

:21:49. > :21:51.The council couldn't even sack its own chief executive.

:21:52. > :21:53.Now I'm saying to the Government, the council itself can't function,

:21:54. > :22:21.so the Government needs to step in and appoint commissioners.

:22:22. > :22:28.Members of press sought and acquired an injunction that was served on the

:22:29. > :22:32.council. Members of press joined the meeting after it started. The

:22:33. > :22:36.cabinet received legal advice that in order not to prejudice the public

:22:37. > :22:41.inquiry the meeting could not proceed as it would not be possible

:22:42. > :22:48.to restrict the discussion without straying into areas that would fall

:22:49. > :22:52.into the remit of public inquiry. We will explore opportunity for open

:22:53. > :22:59.discussions that don't prejudice the public inquiry.

:23:00. > :23:02.So far, all of the 137 tests on cladding of high rise buildings

:23:03. > :23:03.across the country have failed safety tests.

:23:04. > :23:06.But the chair of the London Government Association Lord Porter

:23:07. > :23:08.is now questioning the value of those tests.

:23:09. > :23:17.That meeting, what a farce, what did you think seeing the pictures of

:23:18. > :23:20.what happened? Seeing that didn't paint local government in the best

:23:21. > :23:24.light. If I was running that council I would hope I would have the

:23:25. > :23:29.ability to run it in a slightly different way than it happened last

:23:30. > :23:32.night. You have to be careful how you organise meetings, particularly

:23:33. > :23:39.around a sensitive issue and the public must be able to know what is

:23:40. > :23:43.going on, so must the press. Should the meeting have gone on. I don't

:23:44. > :23:50.know the things they know about the thing ts they were going to talk

:23:51. > :23:54.about. If they thought it could prejudice the public inquiry, maybe

:23:55. > :23:58.their advice was right. I can't imagine for myself that with

:23:59. > :24:03.something so sensitive we would have dealt with it that way. It is not

:24:04. > :24:08.like it is not being talked about elsewhere, we have the documents on

:24:09. > :24:12.the cladding, these things are out there being talked about, the

:24:13. > :24:17.residents are talking, it is hard to imagine what might have come up in

:24:18. > :24:22.the meeting, but we don't know. To people looking on it just looks like

:24:23. > :24:27.an attempt to try to shut down debate. But this subject is so large

:24:28. > :24:33.and so wide and so far-fetched in terms of its impact that this debate

:24:34. > :24:38.will not be able to be shut down. If anybody thinks there would be a

:24:39. > :24:45.closed door cover up, they will be mistaken. It is not just Kensington

:24:46. > :24:50.and Chelsea, you had a number of tower blocks, we have 17 councils,

:24:51. > :24:55.27 social landlords and in the private checks, 12 tower blocks that

:24:56. > :25:03.are owned privately have failed the test in and there is something wrong

:25:04. > :25:06.the testing. It is not the panel, it is the way the experts have adviced

:25:07. > :25:13.the Government to test the panel. The Government have been told by the

:25:14. > :25:18.pecks erts, read -- by Tex perpts they should -- experts they should

:25:19. > :25:23.test the core of the panel, not the whole panel. We need to do proper

:25:24. > :25:29.fire checks on the insulation behind the panels. Again that is something

:25:30. > :25:36.I want to come back to I still want to focus on Kensington and Chelsea,

:25:37. > :25:40.because the Labour councillor Robert Atkinson, said it is time for the

:25:41. > :25:46.senior leadership of the council to go and the cabinet, because they

:25:47. > :25:51.can't command faith in the way they're handling the aftermath of

:25:52. > :25:57.Grenfell Tower. Would you agree? It is not me for to agree or disagree,

:25:58. > :26:01.as I said, I would hope if I was tested this way I wouldn't be

:26:02. > :26:07.running the council meetings like that. It is not just about the

:26:08. > :26:10.running of the meeting, but the way the residents are being treated,

:26:11. > :26:14.they don't feel they're being heard and they're not being housed

:26:15. > :26:19.properly, are they best placed to be handling this, are they doing a good

:26:20. > :26:22.job? I don't know on the ground the exact job they're doing. I know from

:26:23. > :26:27.what I have seen on the media that the people we should be focussing on

:26:28. > :26:33.don't appear to be focussed on the way they should be. The people who

:26:34. > :26:38.need the help do not feel they're getting it, therefore is it a pretty

:26:39. > :26:41.obvious conclusion that the people who should be giving the house are

:26:42. > :26:47.not doing a good job and it is time for someone else to take over? That

:26:48. > :26:51.is for the members of Kensington or the Government to take care of. The

:26:52. > :26:56.Local Government Association does haven't the ability to determine who

:26:57. > :27:02.runs a council. You must are a view when you look at it and see what is

:27:03. > :27:09.happening and there are calls for Nick Paget-Brown to go and others to

:27:10. > :27:16.go, who could make them go? Can anybody make them go? The

:27:17. > :27:22.councillors can do that if they call an emergency motion they can call a

:27:23. > :27:26.motion of no confidence. Or the government can decide it is so bad

:27:27. > :27:31.we are going to put a team of outside people in. And we would help

:27:32. > :27:37.them do that. This is two week on, there are people who are struggling

:27:38. > :27:41.and very unhappy and it doesn't take much thought to work out why. They

:27:42. > :27:47.have lost everything. So two week on, is it time to say, you have had

:27:48. > :27:55.your chance and you have not done what is required. It is time for the

:27:56. > :28:01.member of Kenning sing -- Kensington and Chelsea to decide. I have only

:28:02. > :28:06.seen snippets on the media. I can't offer a reasoned view, it would be

:28:07. > :28:09.unreasonable for me to do and unkind for the victims to offer opinions

:28:10. > :28:17.about who is best placed to run them. The victims are desperate for

:28:18. > :28:23.people in authority to champion what they, how they feel, what they need.

:28:24. > :28:28.We should all be doing that. All the councillors at Kensington and

:28:29. > :28:31.Chelsea and around the country, I don't believe anybody's walking

:28:32. > :28:37.through their normal lives at the moment. My own organisation has had

:28:38. > :28:41.25 member of staff working on this because of the scale of the national

:28:42. > :28:46.issue. I can't just concentrate on one council. I can't put into words

:28:47. > :28:55.how I feel about the victims and how they have been treated now, I can't

:28:56. > :29:00.do that. I would turn into an angry man shouting at the TV. At the

:29:01. > :29:05.moment the biggest issue we are facing as a country, is everyone of

:29:06. > :29:09.the tests has failed. It is not one or two people who has got it wrong,

:29:10. > :29:14.it is everybody according to the people who have done the testing.

:29:15. > :29:20.There are so many, there are so many elements to this, as you point out,

:29:21. > :29:25.because of decision that have been made, councils are caught up in

:29:26. > :29:29.this, people are caught up in this, they're in blocks and fear they're

:29:30. > :29:34.not safe. The people who need help are those who are lost their loved

:29:35. > :29:40.ones and lost everything that they held dear to them. They have got

:29:41. > :29:44.nothing and you said you... You said you turned into an angry man several

:29:45. > :29:49.times shouting at the TV, what has it been that has made you shout at

:29:50. > :29:55.the TV. I can't say, I can't use the language I use when I'm shouting at

:29:56. > :30:01.the TV. What is it that moves you to that? It is the whole thing, it is

:30:02. > :30:06.the... Sadness, the anger, the fear, it is all of it. I have never in all

:30:07. > :30:09.the time I have been in local government I have never experienced

:30:10. > :30:13.the level of emotions that this is taking from people. And the way it

:30:14. > :30:18.has affected everyone. I have seen grown people crying over things they

:30:19. > :30:21.couldn't do and had no power to fix. This is biting into the personal

:30:22. > :30:27.feelings of everybody who sees what is going on.

:30:28. > :30:32.What will put it right for these people? Two weeks on, they don't

:30:33. > :30:37.know where they are going to end up. They don't know if they will get to

:30:38. > :30:41.stay in the local area. They should be able to stay in the accommodation

:30:42. > :30:44.that is available. The trouble is, I don't know what the number of

:30:45. > :30:47.available properties is in Kensington and Chelsea. Because I'm

:30:48. > :30:52.not on the ground, I don't know what stock they have got available to

:30:53. > :30:56.use. I can't answer those questions. Could this, I know that you don't

:30:57. > :30:59.want a kind of say that people in the council have to go but it is

:31:00. > :31:05.hard to imagine why it is taking so long, two weeks. Would other people

:31:06. > :31:08.have done it differently? You have said you would handle the council

:31:09. > :31:12.meeting differently. It is surely not beyond the wit of people to have

:31:13. > :31:18.got together and it is a relatively small group of people, to have just

:31:19. > :31:21.made sure that they were held close, championed, and that they weren't in

:31:22. > :31:28.this position now. I don't disagree with you. So is it time for some to

:31:29. > :31:33.take responsibility for the back that did not happen? The people on

:31:34. > :31:37.the ground need to hold their own people to account. I can't do that.

:31:38. > :31:41.Either the government or the local councillors need to determine who is

:31:42. > :31:45.the right group of people to be running that situation. I'm not that

:31:46. > :31:49.close to it to be able to make that call. I can't do it. The point to me

:31:50. > :31:52.is that we have not said anything in the media at all as an organisation

:31:53. > :31:56.until today because we have been trying to gather the facts across

:31:57. > :32:02.the whole country. This isn't just a few people. It is not coming you

:32:03. > :32:06.know, one borough. We have got 17 councils across the country, 27

:32:07. > :32:11.registered social landlords and at least, at the moment, 12 Private

:32:12. > :32:15.tower blocks where the cladding has failed its tests. I am concerned

:32:16. > :32:20.that the test is not the appropriate test to determine the safety of

:32:21. > :32:25.those buildings. So on that, are you saying that you are concerned that

:32:26. > :32:29.actually, some of the cladding is potentially OK and it does not have

:32:30. > :32:33.to be taken off? Because obviously, this is an enormously expensive and

:32:34. > :32:37.disruptive business. On the basis of the tests being carried out, I don't

:32:38. > :32:41.think it is safe to say the cladding has failed. That cladding has a

:32:42. > :32:45.safety certificate to say it is a safe and appropriate building

:32:46. > :32:50.product. It has a good fire rating. If that is not the case, we have to

:32:51. > :32:54.establish that but we can't do it just by drilling a small sample of

:32:55. > :32:57.the core of the panel. We need to test the whole panel. We also need

:32:58. > :33:01.to test the way the panels are fixed to the walls and we also need to

:33:02. > :33:06.test the insulation that is the cavity fill sitting behind it. That

:33:07. > :33:10.sounds so obvious and yet you are saying that is not the way it is

:33:11. > :33:15.being tested? They are testing the call which is flammable. That is

:33:16. > :33:20.another mess, isn't it? Who is responsible for it being done that

:33:21. > :33:24.way? I'm not an expert and as far as I can see, it is the experts' fault.

:33:25. > :33:29.The government have been advised by experts to do the test this way. I

:33:30. > :33:40.think it is wrong. I think we need to do the tests properly but I'm not

:33:41. > :33:42.an expert. Just on the choice of cladding for Grenfell Tower, it has

:33:43. > :33:45.emerged, according to documents, that the original cladding that was

:33:46. > :33:46.picked which was a think cladding was subsequently rejected and an

:33:47. > :33:52.aluminium cladding was picked instead which saved ?300,000. -- a

:33:53. > :33:56.zinc cladding was subsequently rejected. Was it penny-pinching and

:33:57. > :33:59.if so, can you understand that in the context of a council that was

:34:00. > :34:06.sitting on a cash pile of ?300 million? Erm, look, without going

:34:07. > :34:10.into the complicated argument of the separation of how council finances

:34:11. > :34:14.have do happen and how housing accounts have to be kept separate

:34:15. > :34:17.from the general, normal fund account, the balance is available to

:34:18. > :34:24.them were not ?300 million but they were large. I don't know if the

:34:25. > :34:27.rationale behind the change was one of Finance or for athletics or

:34:28. > :34:31.whatever but if it was changing one product that was suitable for

:34:32. > :34:35.another product that was suitable, that should be the issue. Was the

:34:36. > :34:39.product they put on fit for purpose? That is what we need to establish.

:34:40. > :34:44.Were the panels on that tower fit for purpose and if they are, that

:34:45. > :34:54.means we have a different problem. For the safety of everybody, we need

:34:55. > :34:56.to work out what the problem is, not just jump on one thing, doing

:34:57. > :34:59.inappropriate test and then blame it. We need to look at everything,

:35:00. > :35:02.the insulation that is the cavity fill behind the panels and then we

:35:03. > :35:05.need to look at the panels as a total panel. We need to be able to

:35:06. > :35:09.get somebody basically to put the panel on top of fire and count how

:35:10. > :35:13.long it takes for it burn. Just before we let you go, you have said

:35:14. > :35:18.it is for local people to decide whether those running the council

:35:19. > :35:23.should go, it is not for you to force anyone to go. But obviously,

:35:24. > :35:26.people don't have to be forced out. They can decide to go themselves if

:35:27. > :35:32.they don't feel they have been doing a good job. Presumably people will

:35:33. > :35:34.be reflecting on whether they can actually feel they themselves have

:35:35. > :35:41.done everything that they could. Would you urge people to reflect on

:35:42. > :35:45.whether they have done everything they could? Everybody involved in

:35:46. > :35:50.this, members, officers, they all need to look at themselves in the

:35:51. > :35:54.mirror and say, "Did I do what I thought was right and could I have

:35:55. > :35:56.done it any better?" I can't answer for them. Lord Porter, thank you

:35:57. > :36:04.very much indeed for joining us. Annita is in the BBC

:36:05. > :36:10.Newsroom with a summary Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower

:36:11. > :36:15.during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly

:36:16. > :36:18.?300,000 less. Documents seen by the BBC have revealed this. At least 80

:36:19. > :36:23.people were killed when a tower block in West London was destroyed

:36:24. > :36:27.by fire two weeks ago. The documents show officials originally chose a

:36:28. > :36:31.zinc cladding but then decided upon a less fire retardant aluminium

:36:32. > :36:35.version. Kensington and Chelsea Council says safety would not have

:36:36. > :36:39.been compromised to manage budgets. A council meeting to discuss the

:36:40. > :36:42.tragedy was called off last night within minutes of starting after a

:36:43. > :36:46.row broke out over the attendance of members of the public and the press.

:36:47. > :36:50.The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice the

:36:51. > :36:51.forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan said the

:36:52. > :36:53.council's decision beggars belief. Meanwhile, a man has been charged

:36:54. > :36:56.with fraud after allegedly claiming he lost family members

:36:57. > :36:58.in the Grenfell Tower fire. Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52

:36:59. > :37:13.and of no fixed address, Some news just in, British consumers

:37:14. > :37:18.have suffered the longest decline in their spending power since the

:37:19. > :37:21.1970s, official data has just shown. Household disposable income,

:37:22. > :37:24.adjusted for inflation, fell for the third quarter in a row, the Office

:37:25. > :37:26.for National Statistics said. The parents of ten-month-old Charlie

:37:27. > :37:28.Gard, who fought an unsuccessful legal battle to take him to America

:37:29. > :37:31.for experimental treatment, say he will stop receiving

:37:32. > :37:34.life-support today. Charlie has a rare genetic

:37:35. > :37:36.condition and brain damage. Doctors at Great Ormond

:37:37. > :37:39.Street Hospital said Chris Gard and Connie Yates say

:37:40. > :37:47.they've now been told they will not be able to take their son

:37:48. > :37:56.home to die. The German parliament has voted to

:37:57. > :38:00.legalise same-sex marriage. The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples

:38:01. > :38:05.full marital rights, including child adoption. It had been backed by most

:38:06. > :38:08.of Germany's political parties although it was opposed by

:38:09. > :38:14.conservative allies of Chancellor Merkel. She changed her mind to

:38:15. > :38:15.allow the free vote. That is a summary of the latest news. More at

:38:16. > :38:23.10am. Time for a sports update.

:38:24. > :38:26.In around half an hour, we will see the draw for the first round of

:38:27. > :38:31.Wimbledon taking place ahead of next week's tournament. Johanna Konta and

:38:32. > :38:34.Heather Watson are tuning up nicely, both into the semifinals at the

:38:35. > :38:37.Aegon Championships in Eastbourne. Johanna Konta with two wins

:38:38. > :38:41.yesterday and survived a late injury scare to beat world number one

:38:42. > :38:45.Angelique Kerber. She will play Karolina Pliskova later after

:38:46. > :38:49.Watson's semifinal against Caroline Wozniacki. Men's number one seed

:38:50. > :38:52.Andy Murray's preparations are not going well. He pulled out of his

:38:53. > :38:57.final warm up match at hurling with a sore hip and could not train

:38:58. > :39:01.yesterday. He says it is unlikely and he will be resting again today.

:39:02. > :39:04.British and Irish Lions coach Andy Farrell says it's do or die ahead of

:39:05. > :39:07.the second test against New Zealand tomorrow morning. Defeating

:39:08. > :39:10.Wellington would mean the all Blacks take the series. After signing

:39:11. > :39:15.Jermain Defoe yesterday, Paul Baysse for Bournemouth, they have this --

:39:16. > :39:19.they have signed defender Nathan Ake from Chelsea for a reported 20 -- a

:39:20. > :39:22.reported ?20 million which would be a club record fee. The Dutch

:39:23. > :39:26.international spent half of last season on loan at the vitality

:39:27. > :39:27.stadium. More sport in half an hour, including the Wimbledon draw just

:39:28. > :39:30.after 10am. Next, just three weeks

:39:31. > :39:34.after Jeremy Corbyn's general election success, you may have

:39:35. > :39:36.thought things would have settled But last night, three of his top

:39:37. > :39:40.team were sacked after defying orders during the Queen's Speech

:39:41. > :39:43.amendment votes and backing a call for the UK to stay in the single

:39:44. > :39:48.market after Brexit. Shadow ministers Andy Slaughter,

:39:49. > :39:52.Catherine West and Ruth Cadbury had supported the challenge made

:39:53. > :39:54.by another Labour MP Chuka Umunna. Staying in the single market is not

:39:55. > :39:57.Labour policy and the party's MPs Our political correspondent

:39:58. > :40:16.is Alex Forsyth. What does this say about what is

:40:17. > :40:20.going on within the Labour Party and within Parliament on the whole issue

:40:21. > :40:23.of Brexit and what gets through? I think this lays bare the divisions

:40:24. > :40:26.in the Labour Party over its approach to Brexit. We have long

:40:27. > :40:30.known the Tories are divided over the EU which is usually what we talk

:40:31. > :40:34.about but now we are seeing the differences in Labour and they are

:40:35. > :40:38.subtle. As you say, this amendment was about staying in the single

:40:39. > :40:42.market whereas Labour's official position is about having all the

:40:43. > :40:51.benefits of the single market. Subtle but important. As you say, a

:40:52. > :40:54.number of MPs voted against Jeremy Corbyn's instructions and backed the

:40:55. > :40:56.amendment and we had those sackings and one resignation as a

:40:57. > :40:58.consequence. What is interesting is how Jeremy Corbyn has handled it

:40:59. > :41:03.because we know he has been used to dissenting voices among his own MPs

:41:04. > :41:06.ever since he took over as Labour leader, really. Lots of the

:41:07. > :41:09.parliamentarians in the Labour Party don't necessarily agree with all his

:41:10. > :41:12.views and for a long time they did not support him as leader although

:41:13. > :41:17.now many are falling into line behind him. But what Jeremy Corbyn

:41:18. > :41:21.has done on this occasion is sack people and asserted his authority in

:41:22. > :41:25.a way that he did not really do before the election. I think he

:41:26. > :41:30.feels he has been emboldened by the election result and now has a

:41:31. > :41:31.mandate. What that does not solve is Labour's position on Brexit. Thank

:41:32. > :41:35.you for joining us. The life support system

:41:36. > :41:38.for terminally-ill baby Charlie Gard will be switched off today,

:41:39. > :41:41.after judges at the European Court of Human Rights rejected his

:41:42. > :41:44.parents' plea for them to intervene. Connie Yates and Chris Gard

:41:45. > :41:48.yesterday lost their final legal bid to take their son

:41:49. > :41:52.to the US for treatment. Charlie is thought to be one of 16

:41:53. > :41:56.children in the world to have mitochondrial depletion syndrome,

:41:57. > :41:58.which causes progressive muscle And the court agreed

:41:59. > :42:05.with Great Ormond Street Hospital, saying further treatment

:42:06. > :42:08.would cause him significant harm. After that ruling came in,

:42:09. > :42:12.Connie and Chris took a little time away from their baby's bedside

:42:13. > :42:14.yesterday, to record a message, released on YouTube,

:42:15. > :42:16.for those who've supported them We've been talking

:42:17. > :42:25.with Great Ormond Street since November last year,

:42:26. > :42:27.when they first started talking about court,

:42:28. > :42:29.about what palliative care meant, One option was to let

:42:30. > :42:35.Charlie go in hospital. The other option was to let

:42:36. > :42:38.Charlie go to a hospice. And the third option

:42:39. > :42:41.was to let Charlie go home to So we chose to take

:42:42. > :42:45.Charlie home to die. And we have said this for months,

:42:46. > :42:48.that that is what we want, that is our last wish, if it

:42:49. > :42:51.went this way, the way it's gone. And we've promised our little boy

:42:52. > :42:55.every single day that we will take him home, because that is a promise

:42:56. > :43:00.we thought we could keep. We want to give him a bath at home.

:43:01. > :43:04.We want to sit on the sofa with him. We want to put him in a cot

:43:05. > :43:10.he's never slept in. You know, we had a meeting yesterday

:43:11. > :43:17.where we were told we were going to discuss our options,

:43:18. > :43:20.and you know, we said we'd If that's not possible,

:43:21. > :43:26.can we take him to a hospice? They said no to both,

:43:27. > :43:29.he has to die in They said they couldn't

:43:30. > :43:33.get transport to take us home, so we've offered

:43:34. > :43:36.to pay for that privately, with a private team,

:43:37. > :43:41.and they said that's not an option. You know, I'm sure you read

:43:42. > :43:46.in the media that they've come out and said there's no rush,

:43:47. > :43:51.no rush to do all this. We're working closely

:43:52. > :43:53.with the family to arrange We've literally begged them

:43:54. > :43:59.to give us this weekend. Some of our family

:44:00. > :44:01.and friends can't come. The last time they saw

:44:02. > :44:06.Charlie will be the last And he's still so stable -

:44:07. > :44:12.that's what's so hard. As you probably see on our T-shirts,

:44:13. > :44:19.if he's still fighting, And he's still fighting over there,

:44:20. > :44:24.believe me, he's still fighting. He's a little fighter,

:44:25. > :44:26.a little trooper and a soldier. And he's still fighting,

:44:27. > :44:30.but we're not allowed Our parental rights have

:44:31. > :44:33.been stripped away. We can't even take our

:44:34. > :44:36.own son home to die. Do you not think we've

:44:37. > :44:40.been put through enough? Our final wish, if it all went

:44:41. > :44:47.against us, and we've had this conversation many times, if we lose,

:44:48. > :44:50.can we take our little boy home to The 4th of August 2016 was the best

:44:51. > :44:56.day of our lives, the The 30th of June 2017

:44:57. > :45:01.is going to be the We know what day our

:45:02. > :45:12.son's going to die. We don't even get a say

:45:13. > :45:14.in what happens to him. Charlie will die in Great Ormond

:45:15. > :45:18.Street Hospital tomorrow. Thank you, everyone

:45:19. > :45:24.for all your support. A month ago, Connie

:45:25. > :45:27.and Chris were here with us on Victoria Derbyshire to talk

:45:28. > :45:29.about their fight for Charlie. Victoria began by asking them

:45:30. > :45:32.what the chance of taking him to America for treatment would mean

:45:33. > :45:35.to them. It's literally life

:45:36. > :45:38.or death, isn't it? So, if we don't get this

:45:39. > :45:40.opportunity, he's going to die. So, he hasn't got

:45:41. > :45:45.anything to lose, and we know that, even if it doesn't work,

:45:46. > :45:49.which I think it will, we know that we've done everything

:45:50. > :45:53.that we can for him. Like, we don't want to

:45:54. > :45:57.live with that what if. They could have tried

:45:58. > :46:02.the treatment here. And you know, we've had

:46:03. > :46:04.to stomach the fact that they OK, we don't agree with that,

:46:05. > :46:09.but we have to accept that. But the fact that they

:46:10. > :46:13.are blocking us from taking him to another hospital

:46:14. > :46:16.in the world with one of the leading I still to this day cannot

:46:17. > :46:23.get my head around. They don't want to do

:46:24. > :46:31.the treatment, but there is somewhere around there that does,

:46:32. > :46:33.and they basically just kept him a prisoner there,

:46:34. > :46:36.and our parental rights have been completely stripped,

:46:37. > :46:39.the minute we took him in there, in hindsight,

:46:40. > :46:41.we lost him, because, They've got complete

:46:42. > :46:47.responsibility for him. When we got the appeal papers,

:46:48. > :46:50.it says Connie Yates and Chris Gard versus Great Ormond

:46:51. > :46:52.Street Hospital and Charlie Gard, It broke my heart when I

:46:53. > :46:58.saw that, because how We are the ones that sit

:46:59. > :47:02.there with him, day in, day out, we are staying 24

:47:03. > :47:05.hours at the moment. We love him with all our hearts,

:47:06. > :47:10.and we can't take him to somewhere that may save

:47:11. > :47:14.and improve his life. And we will fight to the bitter end

:47:15. > :47:18.for him, and you know, whatever we have to go

:47:19. > :47:22.through to get the chance that he needs, we are more

:47:23. > :47:43.than willing to do, because They talk about their parental

:47:44. > :47:48.rights having been stripped, why did they not have the right to do what

:47:49. > :47:52.they thought was best for their son. It is a very sad case and people ask

:47:53. > :47:57.why don't they have the right to do twla they want with their child and

:47:58. > :48:02.decide what they think is in his interests. The law is clear the

:48:03. > :48:08.rights of child take precedence over the rights of adult and after the

:48:09. > :48:12.court has determined and a succession of courts have determined

:48:13. > :48:17.what the best interests are for Charlie Gard, then those rights take

:48:18. > :48:23.priority. The courts have decided it is in his best interest to have

:48:24. > :48:27.palliative care and he could be exposed to suffering and be in

:48:28. > :48:32.distress, although we can't tell because of his condition, because he

:48:33. > :48:37.is being artificially kept alive. The courts are arguing on his behalf

:48:38. > :48:44.against the parents. So what happens now, the life support will be

:48:45. > :48:49.switched off today. Great Ormond Street after the European court

:48:50. > :48:53.declined to take the case, because they backed the British court,

:48:54. > :48:57.because they would not rush to change charm's care, but --

:48:58. > :49:02.Charlie's care, but they have been saying it is in his best interest to

:49:03. > :49:06.allow him to die with dignity. While not pushing the parents into making

:49:07. > :49:10.the decision with undue speed they have been saying it's time to

:49:11. > :49:15.consider this and to do it and it seems Charlie's parents have

:49:16. > :49:19.accepted this will happen today. You said there have been court rulings

:49:20. > :49:25.on cases where there has been a conflict over what is the in the

:49:26. > :49:32.child's best interest, does this case push any new boundaries in

:49:33. > :49:37.terms of where the rights lie? No, but it underlines clearly that where

:49:38. > :49:41.the courts are concerned that there is a difference between what the

:49:42. > :49:50.parents think is in the best interest and what the courts decide

:49:51. > :49:54.ultimately the courts will prevail. Great Ormond Street say, as with all

:49:55. > :50:00.patients, they are not able to discuss the specific details, they

:50:01. > :50:03.say it is a distressing situation for Charlie's parents and the staff

:50:04. > :50:20.and their focus remains with them. Thank you. The number of women

:50:21. > :50:27.having a cervical smear test are falling. We will talk about that.

:50:28. > :50:32.Let us know your thoughts, have you ever deliberately not gone for a

:50:33. > :50:36.smear test. Because you were worried about what it might be like. Do let

:50:37. > :50:40.us know your thoughts on that. Knife crime is returning

:50:41. > :50:43.to the levels of six years ago - signalling the end to a long,

:50:44. > :50:45.slow fall that had been In London, the picture is shocking -

:50:46. > :50:49.with four people killed Ten teenagers have been stabbed

:50:50. > :50:54.to death in the capital this year. And in other parts of

:50:55. > :50:57.the country is no less bleak. In the West Midlands, for example,

:50:58. > :51:01.the number of knife crimes has more So why's it happening

:51:02. > :51:06.and what can be done about it? With me in the studio

:51:07. > :51:10.is Aaron Douglas-Letts, whose younger brother was murdered

:51:11. > :51:12.last April, Noel Williams who mentors young people

:51:13. > :51:16.looking to leave gang life, Chief Superintendant John Sutherland

:51:17. > :51:21.from the Met Police and in our studio in Londonderry

:51:22. > :51:24.is Michelle McPhillips, whose son JJ was stabbed

:51:25. > :51:39.and killed earlier this year. If I can come to you Aaron, your

:51:40. > :51:43.older brother was stabbed and killed this year. So you have had obviously

:51:44. > :51:51.been touched in the worst possible way by this. What are your thoughts

:51:52. > :51:57.on what is going on? Well, knife crime right now, it's always been

:51:58. > :52:07.around, but now it is at an all time high and it is becoming ridiculous

:52:08. > :52:11.why these young people are dying. My brother lost his life just over a

:52:12. > :52:14.year ago. He was not in a gang. He was a young guy coming to the

:52:15. > :52:21.transition of what he wanted to do with his life A trainee electrician

:52:22. > :52:26.and he lost his life. The way he lost his life was, it was very grim,

:52:27. > :52:34.it was in the afternoon, in broad daylight, not far from a school and

:52:35. > :52:38.you know not far from where the London mayor, Siddique Khan was

:52:39. > :52:43.living, he lost his life there and even until today we are trying to

:52:44. > :52:48.find answers, why is this thing happening in the way it is. We have

:52:49. > :52:55.a picture of your brother there. You told us a bit about him. Tell us a

:52:56. > :53:00.bit more. Lewis, he was a normal child, his dad passed away, his mum

:53:01. > :53:06.was a hard-working, she worked for the borough and he grew up in a nice

:53:07. > :53:11.home, he loved animals, he wanted to do something with his life and he

:53:12. > :53:16.got caught up in this knife crime, because he was at the wrong place at

:53:17. > :53:23.the wrong time and he was innocents and he lost his life. Michelle, your

:53:24. > :53:28.son was stabbed to death this year, our condolences go to you for your

:53:29. > :53:35.loss, tell us what happened to your son and what your thoughts are on

:53:36. > :53:39.kids carrying knives. My son Jonathan was standing on the steps

:53:40. > :53:45.of town hall, he had gone out for the first time in two years for a

:53:46. > :53:49.night out with his cousins and he approached a car where some six

:53:50. > :53:52.people had surrounded a car with knives and were giving chase to

:53:53. > :53:58.people. He obviously felt safe enough to go forward to give help

:53:59. > :54:05.and they stabbed him straight in the heart. Knife crime is on the rise

:54:06. > :54:11.again and it had been falling, I mean, is it an issue that you're

:54:12. > :54:16.looking at in the broader sense as a result of what happened to your

:54:17. > :54:22.family, or do you just kind of sort of obviously have to deal with it in

:54:23. > :54:31.a personal way, do you have thoughts on the broader issues? The broader

:54:32. > :54:37.issue is I'm now on the streets in the borough where I live trying to

:54:38. > :54:41.get knife awareness, until my son got stabbed, I wasn't involved in

:54:42. > :54:46.this, people look at it like it was another gang member, my son wasn't

:54:47. > :54:53.in a gang and the more of the parents that I speak to, they're not

:54:54. > :54:58.gang-related, they have just got caught up in something. My son was

:54:59. > :55:01.where he was always, in upper Street where we have lived for 45 years.

:55:02. > :55:04.The people in the wrong place at the wrong time doing wrong were the

:55:05. > :55:11.people that turned up with the knives. What is the answer? I don't

:55:12. > :55:16.know what the answer is. I think it is a very long slow process to get

:55:17. > :55:22.an answer. I think stop and search needs to come back in and has to be

:55:23. > :55:30.done in the hotspot areas and it has to be taken and done to the people

:55:31. > :55:36.that are highlights the fact they're carrying knives and stop glamorising

:55:37. > :55:41.it and put knives in a specialist shop if you want to buy a knife of a

:55:42. > :55:46.certain size, you have to go with ID and show it. At the moment, where

:55:47. > :55:52.are the knives coming from? Where on earth do you get a zombie knife and

:55:53. > :55:59.why would you carry one to walk around the street. Noel, Michelle

:56:00. > :56:06.and Aaron both saying their loved ones were not in gangs, you have

:56:07. > :56:13.experience of gang life and work with youths in terms of youth

:56:14. > :56:20.justice to try to change things, what is it about, what is going on?

:56:21. > :56:24.Obviously, this thing of people getting caught up in a situation

:56:25. > :56:27.where people have knives, why are they carrying them? It is a

:56:28. > :56:35.difficult thing to sorts of get your mind around. I don't think we can

:56:36. > :56:40.put one thing on it. You hear young people say they're scared and a lot

:56:41. > :56:44.of people are already involved in this activity through their parents,

:56:45. > :56:49.brothers, cousins, so it is generational. People are carrying

:56:50. > :56:54.knives. To be frank when they're carrying the knives, as the woman

:56:55. > :56:58.has just alluded to, a lot of people are committing crime with these

:56:59. > :57:03.knives and I'm sure when that car was surrounded, they did to maybe

:57:04. > :57:10.take the car or harm people in the car. We are not condoning that, what

:57:11. > :57:14.I feel is for young people if you get caught with with a knife, we

:57:15. > :57:22.have a law and you go to prison and you come out. To curb this epidemic,

:57:23. > :57:26.we need to work with business, innovation and create skills and

:57:27. > :57:31.opportunities for people not to be sitting idle in the same place and

:57:32. > :57:35.lack of a cliche, not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. We

:57:36. > :57:40.need to put them in different places and teach them different skims so

:57:41. > :57:48.they don't -- skills so they don't feel like walking around glamor

:57:49. > :57:53.wising it, I think the media have a role, young people killed somebody

:57:54. > :57:59.again, I know John will have his word, talk to a man like John and

:58:00. > :58:04.even he feels it is time to maybe do some different approaches. John,

:58:05. > :58:12.what do you think could be done? I think... I'm not just a policeman,

:58:13. > :58:16.I'm a resident of this city and a dad. There must be a short and a

:58:17. > :58:21.long-term approach. From a police point of view, the greatest

:58:22. > :58:28.responsibility that a police officer has, and the greatest privilege a

:58:29. > :58:34.police officer has is to save lives. That is what we have going to be

:58:35. > :58:38.doing in the short-term n partnership with youth workers and

:58:39. > :58:42.stop and search is important. My experience in nearly 25 years, stop

:58:43. > :58:46.and search used properly saves lives. But we are kidding ourselves

:58:47. > :58:50.if we think that is the whole answer. It is a short-term means of

:58:51. > :58:54.stopping young people stabbing young people. In the longer term we have

:58:55. > :58:58.got to understand the reasons why young people are picking up knives

:58:59. > :59:03.and using them in the first place. We have got to be prepared as a

:59:04. > :59:12.whole society to adopt a long-term approach. The London mayor says ?22

:59:13. > :59:17.million has been cut from youth groups since 2011 and 30 youth

:59:18. > :59:23.centres have closed. Is that feeding into it. Yes austerity is key on all

:59:24. > :59:28.fronts, as well as the police losing 20,000 people. These are things that

:59:29. > :59:36.have an effect on how things will go forward. Lewis was a lovely young

:59:37. > :59:40.man and I worked with him and he reaped the benefits of a charity we

:59:41. > :59:45.had that was closed down and a year and a half later from that I'm sure

:59:46. > :59:50.you can allude to it more, but young people have to come to family

:59:51. > :59:54.members to try and further their skills in whatever career they

:59:55. > :00:03.wanted to, because we don't have the places to help people. What do you

:00:04. > :00:08.think? The summer holidays are coming up and young people need

:00:09. > :00:12.something to do. These schemes are not reaching the young people, even

:00:13. > :00:18.if you have events in place or plans to do for the summer, they're not

:00:19. > :00:23.seeing it. They are not aware it will happen, so we need to reach out

:00:24. > :00:28.to young people and make them aware by using social media, not just the

:00:29. > :00:33.young people are not reading newspaper and they're on web-sites

:00:34. > :00:39.and looking for way out, but nay need too see -- they need to see

:00:40. > :00:43.what is available via social media. Thank you all very much for joining

:00:44. > :00:46.us and sharing your thoughts on that. If you have any thoughts get

:00:47. > :00:58.in touch. Now the weather. The weather is improving as we head

:00:59. > :01:03.to the course of the weekend but for today, a mixed picture out there. We

:01:04. > :01:08.can see that in the Weather Watchers pictures coming in, contrasting Kent

:01:09. > :01:14.to cloudier, damp conditions in North Wales. We are seeing quite a

:01:15. > :01:17.lot of cloud with drizzly outbreaks of rain across Scotland, northern

:01:18. > :01:21.England, down across Wales and the south-west, quite blustery year. In

:01:22. > :01:27.the south-east, sunnier spells but also the chance of a few scattered,

:01:28. > :01:32.heavy showers. Temperature is about 14-16 in the north and west. Into

:01:33. > :01:35.the south-east, 23 degrees or so but some isolated showers that could be

:01:36. > :01:42.quite heavy. Showers will ease for most of us into this evening, a bit

:01:43. > :01:45.of rain for Central and eastern England but tomorrow, rain clearing

:01:46. > :01:47.away quickly and we are back to drier weather and spells of

:01:48. > :01:50.sunshine, turning breezy and damp again for Scotland and Northern

:01:51. > :01:54.Ireland later in the afternoon but with sunnier spells, highs of around

:01:55. > :01:57.24. Sunday, foremost, looks like another dry bright day. -- for most

:01:58. > :02:02.of us. Hello, it's Friday, it's 10 o'clock,

:02:03. > :02:05.I'm Joanna Gosling. Documents seen by BBC News suggest

:02:06. > :02:07.the cladding recently fitted on Grenfell Tower was

:02:08. > :02:09.nearly ?300,000 cheaper This latest development

:02:10. > :02:12.in the fire's aftermath comes as a council meeting last night

:02:13. > :02:16.descended into chaos. An absolute fiasco, this is why I'm

:02:17. > :02:20.calling for your resignation, not because of what happened

:02:21. > :02:24.with the fire, but the sheer and ongoing incompetence that this

:02:25. > :02:38.council has shown ever There is anger this morning here in

:02:39. > :02:42.North Kensington with this apparent confirmation that money was saved

:02:43. > :02:43.during the refurbishment of this building. People here want to know

:02:44. > :02:44.why. The number of women having a smear

:02:45. > :02:49.test to screen for cervical A leading cancer charity says more

:02:50. > :02:53.than a quarter of those due one are not even aware they can be

:02:54. > :02:57.tested for the disease. Donald Trump's travel ban takes

:02:58. > :03:00.effect after months of controversy. People from six mainly Muslim

:03:01. > :03:02.countries and all refugees will now face a tougher time getting

:03:03. > :03:04.into the US. The president says it's

:03:05. > :03:08.designed to stop terrorism. Also as the President is criticised

:03:09. > :03:12.for another personal attack on an American newsreader,

:03:13. > :03:14.we'll discuss the reaction Annita is in the BBC

:03:15. > :03:27.Newsroom with a summary Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower

:03:28. > :03:35.during its refurbishment was changed to a version which cost nearly

:03:36. > :03:38.?300,000 less, documents seen At least 80 people were

:03:39. > :03:44.killed when the tower block in West London was destroyed

:03:45. > :03:47.by fire two weeks ago. The documents show officials

:03:48. > :03:50.originally chose a zinc cladding but then decided

:03:51. > :03:53.upon a less fire retardant aluminium Kensington and Chelsea Council says

:03:54. > :04:06.safety would not have The chairman of the Local Government

:04:07. > :04:09.Association said more needs to be done to identify the root cause of

:04:10. > :04:13.problems. I don't know whether the rationale behind the change was one

:04:14. > :04:16.for finance or ascetics or whatever but if it was changing one product

:04:17. > :04:21.that was suitable for another product that was suitable, that

:04:22. > :04:25.should be the issue. Was the product they put on fit for purpose? That is

:04:26. > :04:29.what we need to establish. Are the panels on that tower fit for

:04:30. > :04:33.purpose? If they are, that means we have a different problem and for the

:04:34. > :04:38.safety of everybody, we need to work out what that problem is, not just

:04:39. > :04:41.jump on one thing, do an inappropriate test and then blame

:04:42. > :04:46.it. We need to look at everything, the installation that is the cavity

:04:47. > :04:50.fill behind the panels, and we need to look at the panels as a total

:04:51. > :04:54.panel. We need to be able to get someone basically to put the panel

:04:55. > :04:58.on top of fire and see how long it takes for to burn.

:04:59. > :05:01.A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last

:05:02. > :05:04.night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over

:05:05. > :05:06.the attendance of members of the public and the press.

:05:07. > :05:08.The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice

:05:09. > :05:10.the forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan

:05:11. > :05:12.said the council's decision beggars belief.

:05:13. > :05:14.Meanwhile, a man has been charged with fraud after allegedly claiming

:05:15. > :05:17.he lost family members in the Grenfell Tower fire.

:05:18. > :05:20.Anh Nhu Nguyen, who's 52 and of no fixed address,

:05:21. > :05:30.The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard, who fought an unsuccessful

:05:31. > :05:36.legal battle to take him to America for experimental treatment, say he

:05:37. > :05:38.will stop receiving life support today.

:05:39. > :05:40.Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage.

:05:41. > :05:42.Doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital said

:05:43. > :05:48.Chris Gard and Connie Yates say they've now been told they will not

:05:49. > :05:52.be able to take their son home to die.

:05:53. > :05:55.The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage.

:05:56. > :05:59.The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples

:06:00. > :06:01.full marital rights, including child adoption.

:06:02. > :06:04.It had been backed by most of Germany's political parties

:06:05. > :06:06.although it was opposed by conservative allies of Chancellor

:06:07. > :06:13.She changed her mind to allow a free vote.

:06:14. > :06:19.Our Berlin correspondent Jenny Hill Thomas Moore. This all happened in a

:06:20. > :06:23.very last minute and dramatic fashion. Earlier this week, Mrs

:06:24. > :06:27.Merkel gave an interview during which she appeared to drop her

:06:28. > :06:31.long-standing opposition to same-sex marriage and said that she would

:06:32. > :06:37.give her MPs a free vote on the subject. That allowed her left-wing,

:06:38. > :06:40.the political left here, opposition to effectively jump at the chance to

:06:41. > :06:45.push through a bill they have been trying to get into Parliament for

:06:46. > :06:49.many years. They managed to do it right at the last minute. Parliament

:06:50. > :06:53.goes on its summer holidays tomorrow. Mrs Merkel, because she

:06:54. > :06:54.had allowed her MPs a free vote, effectively gave Parliamentary

:06:55. > :07:11.approval. Jenny Hill, there. Let's get a sports update.

:07:12. > :07:14.Good morning again, we're patiently awaiting the draw for the first

:07:15. > :07:17.round of Wimbledon, things just getting underway at the All-England

:07:18. > :07:20.Club and we will have details for you later but there are high hopes

:07:21. > :07:25.for British players next week, Johanna Konta's grass court form is

:07:26. > :07:27.steadily improving as she reached the semifinals of the Aegon

:07:28. > :07:31.Championships in Eastbourne yesterday, getting past the French

:07:32. > :07:33.Open champion, Jelena Ostapenko in three sets before a quarterfinal

:07:34. > :07:38.against the world number one Angelique Kerber. Johanna Konta took

:07:39. > :07:43.the first set 6-3, playing very well. She fell heavily on match

:07:44. > :07:47.point in the second set. The match was delayed for ten minutes as she

:07:48. > :07:52.was treated. But she recovered to eventually take her fourth match

:07:53. > :07:58.point and the second set, 6-4. A good win for her. Heather Watson is

:07:59. > :08:01.also doing very well, also into the last four having beaten Barbora

:08:02. > :08:05.Strycova. She will take on former world number one Caroline Wozniacki

:08:06. > :08:09.later. Johanna Konta will face third seed Karolina Pliskova.

:08:10. > :08:13.Andy Murray should have been playing an exhibition match in London today

:08:14. > :08:17.but has pulled out with a sore hip. He is due to start a practice

:08:18. > :08:20.session this morning at Wimbledon but his coach Ivan Lendl told our

:08:21. > :08:24.correspondent David Ornstein today that Andy Murray was doing great so

:08:25. > :08:28.we will keep our fingers crossed for the defending Wimbledon champion and

:08:29. > :08:32.world number one. Alex Ward, the world number 855, is

:08:33. > :08:38.the only Briton to come through singles qualifying for Wimbledon,

:08:39. > :08:41.coming from a set down to beat Russia's Teymuraz Gabashvili in four

:08:42. > :08:45.set at Roehampton. He was given a wild card to play in qualifying and

:08:46. > :08:50.had lost his last seven straight matches before this week so a great

:08:51. > :08:53.result for him. You can watch you Hannah quanta and Heather Watson in

:08:54. > :08:59.Eastbourne action on BBC Two this morning from 11am. In rugby union, a

:09:00. > :09:02.crucial game coming up for the British and Irish Lions and Warren

:09:03. > :09:07.Gatland's selection for the second Test against New Zealand has been

:09:08. > :09:10.somewhat criticised. Former Wales international Jonathan Davies things

:09:11. > :09:14.Gatland is using the last role of the dice by putting Johnny Sexton

:09:15. > :09:17.and Owen Farrell together. Former Lions player Jeremy Guscott think

:09:18. > :09:20.the decision is ambitious, calling it a gamble. The Lions must win

:09:21. > :09:25.tomorrow morning in Wellington or they will hand the all Blacks this

:09:26. > :09:33.series win. It is about character this week for us. It is about

:09:34. > :09:40.manning up and putting everything on the line because it is that

:09:41. > :09:44.situation, isn't it? It is do or die for us. There is nothing a mother

:09:45. > :09:48.wouldn't do for their son, even if you are a grown man playing in a

:09:49. > :09:52.professional golf tournament. China's Lee Hao-tong Li his putter

:09:53. > :09:57.into the water at the 11th at the French Open after a bit of a tantrum

:09:58. > :10:01.and about 20 minutes later, his mum waded into needy water to find it.

:10:02. > :10:05.She attracted a bit of attention from the other players on the course

:10:06. > :10:09.as they watched. She found the putter, but realised it had been

:10:10. > :10:14.broken into macro, her efforts sending some of the players into

:10:15. > :10:17.fits of laughter as they watched her efforts. Listen, if I dropped my

:10:18. > :10:21.life savings into the bottom of the pond, I think my mum would be

:10:22. > :10:26.getting in there, I don't think. She deserves a medal for her efforts.

:10:27. > :10:29.News just in, Andy Murray will face either a qualifier or a lucky loser

:10:30. > :10:38.in the first round of Wimbledon. More on that draw later in the hour.

:10:39. > :10:42.Fresh controversy this morning in the Grenfell Tower aftermath, it

:10:43. > :10:45.seems the cladding due to be originally installed on the high

:10:46. > :10:48.rise was changed to a version which cost nearly ?300,000 less. The

:10:49. > :10:51.cladding is thought to have contributed to the rapid spread of

:10:52. > :10:59.the fire that consumed the 24 story block two weeks ago. Nick Beake is

:11:00. > :11:03.in west London for us. So, a lot has been emerging about the choices that

:11:04. > :11:06.were made and what happened at the tower block. What is the reaction to

:11:07. > :11:15.the latest report that the cladding was changed and nearly ?300,000 was

:11:16. > :11:18.saved as a result? People are extremely angry you. Remember, the

:11:19. > :11:21.refurbishment cost ?10 million and as part of it, the cladding was put

:11:22. > :11:24.on the side of the building. We at the reason for that was to improve

:11:25. > :11:28.insulation but also to the appearance of the building.

:11:29. > :11:36.Crucially, though, residents were told the cladding would-be zinc. But

:11:37. > :11:39.the BBC has seen the documents from 2014 that show quite clearly the

:11:40. > :11:42.list of potential savings was put forward and within that, the

:11:43. > :11:47.decision was taken, it would appear, not to go with zinc cladding, which

:11:48. > :11:52.had a fire retardant CORBA to go with aluminium cladding instead.

:11:53. > :11:59.That -- a fire retardant for but to go with aluminium cladding which

:12:00. > :12:03.would have saved almost ?300,000, the documents suggest. It is not in

:12:04. > :12:06.any way suggested that fire safety regulations were diminished or that

:12:07. > :12:10.this was done to reduce fire safety by the BBC has been told a key

:12:11. > :12:13.consideration in this was to save money and so it appears this

:12:14. > :12:19.decision was taken. It is worth pointing out that the material that

:12:20. > :12:21.went up is in the same kind of bracket as other materials the

:12:22. > :12:26.company which was responsible for installing the cladding could put

:12:27. > :12:29.on. It was the same kind of European standard but as we know, the police

:12:30. > :12:33.have subsequently said the cladding that went up on Grenfell Tower

:12:34. > :12:39.failed a safety test. It is still unclear as to whether that cladding

:12:40. > :12:45.was legal or not for a tower block like that. They're just does not

:12:46. > :12:49.seem to be a definitive answer. -- they're just does not. Know, and for

:12:50. > :12:52.lots of people living in North Kensington, there is confusion

:12:53. > :12:56.because on the one hand, we hear that as I mentioned, the kind of

:12:57. > :12:59.material that was going up during the refurbishment was at the

:13:00. > :13:02.appropriate European safety level. But subsequently, the police have

:13:03. > :13:05.said it has failed a fire safety test and we have seen countless

:13:06. > :13:09.other blocks across the country where that has been deemed to be the

:13:10. > :13:20.case. Obviously, a criminal investigation is going on and the

:13:21. > :13:22.public inquiry to come, where these questions will be looked at in

:13:23. > :13:25.detail but for people here who remain angry, many out of a home,

:13:26. > :13:27.and dealing with the huge tragedy of what is going on, grieving, this

:13:28. > :13:29.adds to the confusion but also today, with this confirmation that

:13:30. > :13:32.potentially ?300,000 was saved, it underlines and maybe reinforces

:13:33. > :13:36.suspicions people had that there was a possibility of saving money during

:13:37. > :13:39.this refurbishment. Thank you for joining us.

:13:40. > :13:42.Dr Ahmed Kazmi is a GP at a surgery close to Grenfell Tower,

:13:43. > :13:46.He's spent the last fortnight supporting his patients

:13:47. > :13:48.who have lost loved ones, been left homeless or coming

:13:49. > :13:50.to terms with witnessing the horrors of the fire,

:13:51. > :13:53.and is also working with the police who are trying

:13:54. > :14:03.Thank you for joining us. I think at least ten of your patients died in

:14:04. > :14:07.the tower, is that right? We are still awaiting confirmation but we

:14:08. > :14:11.think that will be the number from the surgery. So tell us more about

:14:12. > :14:15.what you have done since the fire. On the morning of the fire, it was

:14:16. > :14:18.quite an interesting day and if you will allow me, I wanted to share my

:14:19. > :14:23.experience of being at the rescue centre. I know there has been a lot

:14:24. > :14:26.of talk recently about some of the more controversial aspects of the

:14:27. > :14:30.Grenfell Tower fire but I actually had quite a profoundly moving

:14:31. > :14:34.experience in the rescue centre. You know, I went in there not sure what

:14:35. > :14:38.to expect or what state I would find people in but the unity and the

:14:39. > :14:42.solidarity that I felt there, and the way everyone was so dignified

:14:43. > :14:45.and coming together, the local residents as well as the local

:14:46. > :14:49.population and people from further afield, it was really quite

:14:50. > :14:52.beautiful to witness. I certainly hadn't ever felt as proud to be a

:14:53. > :14:56.member of that area as I was that day and I think that is a real

:14:57. > :15:00.credit to the residents and the people. I wanted to share that. I

:15:01. > :15:05.think everyone has taken heart from how people have come together on the

:15:06. > :15:10.ground. Definitely. It is always a good thing to see. But in terms of

:15:11. > :15:16.what your patients need now, are they coming to the surgery as a

:15:17. > :15:20.point of contact? What are they coming about? Their main needs are

:15:21. > :15:26.twofold. On the one hand, practical issues like housing and clothing and

:15:27. > :15:29.money and passports, appointments, medication. You have got all of

:15:30. > :15:32.those kind of things that you require when you are starting from

:15:33. > :15:36.scratch again. On the other side of that also is the emotional support,

:15:37. > :15:42.the psychological support that comes from the consequences of having had

:15:43. > :15:46.a catastrophic event occur. What has been again quite heartening to see

:15:47. > :15:51.is that I have had lots of patients coming who have had positive

:15:52. > :15:54.experiences of help Sith Grenfell Tower -- since Grenfell Tower. I

:15:55. > :15:57.spoke to a lady who used to be resident in the tower and I asked

:15:58. > :16:00.what she was doing for clothes and money and whether she was OK and she

:16:01. > :16:03.was proud to say, she pointed to her dress and said she had had donations

:16:04. > :16:08.and now she had received money and she could go shopping. Another lady,

:16:09. > :16:11.I asked if the paperwork was OK and she had documents and she said she

:16:12. > :16:15.was happy because she'd gone to the Westway Centre and in one day, they

:16:16. > :16:18.turned around and gave her a passport. I think it is important to

:16:19. > :16:19.mention as well because sometimes we just talk about the things that have

:16:20. > :16:30.not worked. On mental health, we have heard

:16:31. > :16:35.people speaking, clearly traumatised, they need support, are

:16:36. > :16:39.you the first point of contact, are you able to get quick referrals,

:16:40. > :16:47.because you know in the normal scheme of things a referral takes a

:16:48. > :16:52.long time. You're right and under usual circumstances, people often

:16:53. > :16:57.wait. The primary mental health team have done a lovely job and there is

:16:58. > :17:02.a 24 hour telephone line, you can see the GP and there is a single

:17:03. > :17:06.point of entry access to mental health care. That support is on

:17:07. > :17:11.hand. I would again want to share with people that I think there is a

:17:12. > :17:17.risk to make pathological what is actually normal sometimes. So when

:17:18. > :17:23.you're faced with this degree of catastrophe, to have bad dreams, in

:17:24. > :17:28.the short-term, for the immediate weeks after it to have a sense of

:17:29. > :17:33.panic to grieve, all these are normal emotions to have in relation

:17:34. > :17:42.to that event. I would encourage people to speak to their GP and the

:17:43. > :17:47.mental health care, for most people the initial involvement will be what

:17:48. > :17:51.we call watchful waiting, you offer support and witness their grief, but

:17:52. > :17:56.a large number of these will resolve by themselves. It is more

:17:57. > :18:02.individuals at high risk of post-traumatic stress disorder, if

:18:03. > :18:08.you had a preexisting mental health condition or have had experience of

:18:09. > :18:13.tragedy, they are at risk of having an unusual or prolonged response to

:18:14. > :18:18.this. So we try to involve specialists early on. You're

:18:19. > :18:23.involved in helping to identify the bodies, what are you doing in that

:18:24. > :18:26.context? That is a bit of a difficult question to answer, I'm

:18:27. > :18:33.not sure how much I'm allowed to say, because of the nature of the

:18:34. > :18:38.disaster, sometimes identifying it difficult. There were so many

:18:39. > :18:44.children involved and may not have seen a dentist and there is no

:18:45. > :18:49.dentist records. So we will try and get a blood test. So it is trying to

:18:50. > :18:56.marry the information that the primary care team has that may use

:18:57. > :19:01.to the police to identify people. Do you have, based on the conversations

:19:02. > :19:05.that you have had of you on what the final death toll might be, that is,

:19:06. > :19:11.there is so much frustration around this? No, I think most people who

:19:12. > :19:16.live and work in the area, myself included, do believe that the death

:19:17. > :19:20.toll will continue to rise. I understand the logistics of trying

:19:21. > :19:24.to get that number is complicated and difficult. So I don't know will

:19:25. > :19:31.have to happen to get a count. But we are expecting to see it rise. If

:19:32. > :19:37.it is OK I want to give a couple of practical tips for the dispossessed.

:19:38. > :19:41.One problem that GPs have faced in is in contacting their patients.

:19:42. > :19:46.Many people change their telephone number and don't update wit the GP.

:19:47. > :19:52.We go to ring them and the number is out of service and we can't write to

:19:53. > :20:00.them. If I urge anyone dispossessed if you were a resident at Gren,

:20:01. > :20:04.contact your GP and let them know you have been dispossessed. And give

:20:05. > :20:08.them details. A lot of vulnerable people lived in the blocks and they

:20:09. > :20:14.have been moved and some didn't have immediate next of kin. Contacting

:20:15. > :20:18.them is really difficult for GPs. So if anyone is aware if you have a

:20:19. > :20:22.friend or relative who has been moved, give their GP a call. Are you

:20:23. > :20:30.worried about these people who have gone off the radar? Yes, 100%, that

:20:31. > :20:37.is one of biggest obstacles we have faced is first working out who is

:20:38. > :20:41.deceased and who is alive and who is alive how we contact them. We came

:20:42. > :20:49.up with a list of people resident in the tower and we rang them to do

:20:50. > :20:53.comfort calls. A man had changed his number, we can't write to him, we

:20:54. > :21:03.have to wait for them to come into the surgery and we with mark them

:21:04. > :21:08.safe. But we have a raft of support to share, for Social Services and

:21:09. > :21:17.housing and mental health line, to give that to patients, we need to be

:21:18. > :21:21.able to contact them. . One obstacle has been in getting that

:21:22. > :21:25.information. So maybe if we could work together. How many former

:21:26. > :21:31.residents have you been able to speak to and help? At the moment,

:21:32. > :21:37.I'm seeing about ten regularly either by telephone or a lot as

:21:38. > :21:42.well, the patients were in a deprived area of London, the tower

:21:43. > :21:50.resident were quite deprived and they have already a higher burden of

:21:51. > :21:58.psychological and physical problems and their access of help, there is

:21:59. > :22:04.more obstacles. On a good day they may not engage with the GP as much,

:22:05. > :22:10.now they have had a tragedy and they have been displaced, we are trying

:22:11. > :22:14.to b flexible and offer telephone consultations and a lot of GPs in

:22:15. > :22:18.the area, we are aware sometimes getting a GP appointment can be

:22:19. > :22:23.difficult, we have adviced is another tip is that most GPs in the

:22:24. > :22:27.area will offer a walk in service if you're a dispossessed patient. You

:22:28. > :22:32.need to make sure you mention that. If they say they're booked, mention

:22:33. > :22:38.I'm a patient that had to move home and you will almost certainly be

:22:39. > :22:41.seen on the same day. This must have tested you like nothing you have

:22:42. > :22:49.encountered? Yes it has been difficult. My training, I have been

:22:50. > :22:54.a doctor almost ten years, I have never been exposed to this kind of

:22:55. > :23:00.catastrophe, it doesn't come with a text book so, it about testing and

:23:01. > :23:04.the human element, everyone feels it, you feel such empathy for these

:23:05. > :23:11.people to have such a thing happen, one thing we learn as a doctor is

:23:12. > :23:16.how your professional empathy is different to how you may feel if

:23:17. > :23:25.somebody were your sibling. You can show come passion, but that still a

:23:26. > :23:30.allow yos tow function and -- allow yos s you to work and I have been

:23:31. > :23:35.able to offer people a service and help them in the situation. I know

:23:36. > :23:40.that, obviously, the work you do does take you down the difficult

:23:41. > :23:46.path and you have sort of, channel in a different drebs to try to --

:23:47. > :23:51.direction. I know the chat has been serious and I have come across as

:23:52. > :23:56.earnest. But I'm a comedian as well and I took to comedy, because I

:23:57. > :24:02.found my job was intense and stressful and I needed a outlet. My

:24:03. > :24:07.London debut is tonight. I didn't know whether it was appropriate, I

:24:08. > :24:12.discussed it with the practice and my family and we decided dark times

:24:13. > :24:20.need some happiness too. I will do the show tonight and I will give

:24:21. > :24:24.100% of the profits to the fund and also I have offered some free

:24:25. > :24:28.tickets to anyone who has had hardship or done well or volunteered

:24:29. > :24:36.and I contacted the ambulance and fire service. If anybody knows

:24:37. > :24:44.somebody who will benefit, contact me through social media and I will

:24:45. > :24:51.extend a free ticket. Do you draw on your work for material? Yes. It is

:24:52. > :24:55.about... Dark humour? It is light-hearted about the funny side

:24:56. > :25:02.of bag doctor, but I don't breach any confidentiality and it is about

:25:03. > :25:08.common things people do. Like? Like you know, men over exposing them to

:25:09. > :25:13.show their doctor their bits. Little kids crying. Just fun things. Good

:25:14. > :25:16.luck with that. Thank you for coming? In.

:25:17. > :25:19.Still to come - President Trump gets his way, sort of -

:25:20. > :25:21.a modified ban on travellers from six mainly Muslim

:25:22. > :25:23.nations finally comes into forceand his

:25:24. > :25:41.The uptake for cervical screening in the UK is falling year on year.

:25:42. > :25:43.A study by Cancer Research UK suggests that more than a quarter

:25:44. > :25:46.of women who are overdue a smear test are unaware there

:25:47. > :25:51.About half of those due a test said they were putting it off.

:25:52. > :25:55.Yet those women most at risk of cervical cancer

:25:56. > :26:02.Now let's speak to Beckii Mallett who's 26 and ignored

:26:03. > :26:05.She's joining us from Boston in Lincolnshire.

:26:06. > :26:08.We can also speak to Lucy Maxwell whose mother died of cervical

:26:09. > :26:24.Thank you both very much. Lucy, your mother dying when you were just nine

:26:25. > :26:33.of cervical cancer will have made you aware of the importance of

:26:34. > :26:38.testing, what is your view of that? Well, I'm often asked did she miss

:26:39. > :26:45.her smears, the answer is he didn't live long enough for me to ask. I

:26:46. > :26:50.assume she did, by the time her cancer was found it was very

:26:51. > :26:57.advanced. Your smear is not to find cancer, but to look for early signs,

:26:58. > :27:04.the precancer cells that can be treated effectively and we can stop

:27:05. > :27:10.the cancer in its tracks. My mother's death resulted in my father

:27:11. > :27:17.setting up a cancer trust, which I'm on the board and so I'm a trustee

:27:18. > :27:21.and we do work trying to keep people informed as to why it is important

:27:22. > :27:27.to show up when you're invited, what the experience will be like, try and

:27:28. > :27:35.put people at ease. If everybody took up testing, are you saying

:27:36. > :27:41.nobody need die of kerveical cancer -- cervical cancer. We we can't

:27:42. > :27:46.that, but we know we can prevent the cancer. It is preventing the cancer

:27:47. > :27:50.before it reaches that stage. But we know that screening prevents

:27:51. > :27:57.thousands of deaths a year. There is research to show that. Becky, you're

:27:58. > :28:03.26 and you're joining us from a hospital car park, because you're

:28:04. > :28:07.there for a test, having discovered that I you did have about normal

:28:08. > :28:10.cells. You found that out having not gone for screening for some time.

:28:11. > :28:19.Tell us what your situation has been. Yes, so a few years ago I did

:28:20. > :28:26.suffer from a lot of pelvic pains, which I did go for a cervical

:28:27. > :28:33.screening, which the test came back clear. That was procedure for me was

:28:34. > :28:40.quite uncomfortable, quite painful. So I sort of... Tried to put off the

:28:41. > :28:47.other cervical screening, when I got a letter, I ignored the letters. I

:28:48. > :28:54.must have ignored about 15 to 20 letters. For me, because I found the

:28:55. > :29:06.last procedure quite uncomfortable for me. But I just decided to go

:29:07. > :29:11.and, yes, they found low grade about normal cells and the HPV infection.

:29:12. > :29:19.I have come to go for another cervical screening to make sure how

:29:20. > :29:25.serious it is. You say obviously that you ignored the letters, having

:29:26. > :29:31.done that, and then gone and then discovered you have the about normal

:29:32. > :29:35.cells, how tufl about the -- do you feel about the fact you waited so

:29:36. > :29:39.long? When I got the letter to say that they had found about normal

:29:40. > :29:44.cells, to be fair I did break down in tears. I think I was just, quite

:29:45. > :29:50.quite mad at myself for leaving it too long. But I was also grateful

:29:51. > :29:54.that I had been, because I would have shuddered to think what

:29:55. > :30:02.situation I would have put myself in if I ignored it for another two

:30:03. > :30:07.years or so. So I'm pleased. Is it sort of the early stage of abnormal

:30:08. > :30:14.cells, we were hearing Lucy saying it is treatable if xaugt early on.

:30:15. > :30:20.-- caught early on. Yes the letter explained it was low grade about

:30:21. > :30:24.normal cells, and when they find the low grade abnormal cells that is

:30:25. > :30:34.whoo enthink test for the PPV infection. They find you have the

:30:35. > :30:40.HPV they transfer you to the gynaecologist at the hospital and

:30:41. > :30:48.here where I'm just about to go now, they will have just another look to

:30:49. > :30:56.see how serious it is and then if they find that I have abnormal

:30:57. > :31:00.cells, they will then... Do a little laider treatment to get -- laser

:31:01. > :31:03.treatment and they should be able to treat it today if they find it is

:31:04. > :31:16.serious though. Let's hope it all goes well for you.

:31:17. > :31:23.Is that a typical story, people don't concern about concerns about

:31:24. > :31:26.how uncomfortable it might be, how painful the processes? Absolutely,

:31:27. > :31:30.we put it off all the time, I put it off because I was embarrassed, I

:31:31. > :31:34.thought it would be painful. We always try and say, you know,

:31:35. > :31:37.absolutely it is not the most pleasant thing in the world but it

:31:38. > :31:42.takes five minutes and it could honestly save your life. We see

:31:43. > :31:45.women come through the charity, brilliant women who have survived

:31:46. > :31:48.cervical cancer who say there is no question they would be dead if they

:31:49. > :31:53.had not shown up for that smear test at that time. Timing is crucial. So

:31:54. > :31:59.please go if you are invited. It is so important as we have just heard,

:32:00. > :32:03.particularly because it can be caught at the critical, early-stage

:32:04. > :32:07.and dealt with very effectively. Thank you for joining us. We wish

:32:08. > :32:09.you the best with what happens at the hospital today, thank you.

:32:10. > :32:12.The latest attempts to restore the power sharing executive

:32:13. > :32:17.We look at what obstacles are in the path preventing

:32:18. > :32:29.Sexism in the dance music industry. The ten richest DJs are named and

:32:30. > :32:32.none of them are women so why are there so few females at the top? We

:32:33. > :32:36.speak to two women working in the business.

:32:37. > :32:38.Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:32:39. > :32:46.Cladding fitted to Grenfell Tower during its refurbishment was changed

:32:47. > :32:49.to a version which cost nearly ?300,000 less, documents seen

:32:50. > :32:54.At least 80 people were killed when the tower

:32:55. > :32:56.block in west London was destroyed by fire two weeks ago.

:32:57. > :33:01.The documents show officials originally chose a

:33:02. > :33:03.zinc cladding but then decided upon a less fire

:33:04. > :33:06.Kensington and Chelsea Council says safety would not have

:33:07. > :33:14.A council meeting to discuss the tragedy was called off last

:33:15. > :33:16.night within minutes of starting after a row broke out over

:33:17. > :33:20.the attendance of members of the public and the press.

:33:21. > :33:22.The council halted the meeting, claiming it would prejudice

:33:23. > :33:24.the forthcoming public inquiry but London mayor Sadiq Khan

:33:25. > :33:32.said the council's decision beggars belief.

:33:33. > :33:35.The parents of ten-month-old Charlie Gard, who fought an unsuccessful

:33:36. > :33:39.legal battle to take him to America for experimental treatment, say he

:33:40. > :33:41.will stop receiving life support today.

:33:42. > :33:43.Charlie has a rare genetic condition and brain damage.

:33:44. > :33:53.Doctors at Great Ormond Street Hospital said

:33:54. > :33:57.Chris Gard and Connie Yates say they've now been told they will not

:33:58. > :33:59.be able to take their son home to die.

:34:00. > :34:01.An investigation by chemical weapons inspectors has concluded

:34:02. > :34:04.that the banned nerve agent sarin was used in an attack

:34:05. > :34:06.on a rebel-held town in northern Syria in April.

:34:07. > :34:08.More than 80 people were killed.

:34:09. > :34:10.The attack prompted the United States to launch a cruise

:34:11. > :34:12.missile strike on a Syrian government air base.

:34:13. > :34:14.The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he had no doubt

:34:15. > :34:16.Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad's forces were involved

:34:17. > :34:23.The German parliament has voted to legalise same-sex marriage.

:34:24. > :34:27.The bill will grant gay and lesbian couples

:34:28. > :34:28.full marital rights, including child adoption.

:34:29. > :34:31.It had been backed by most of Germany's political parties

:34:32. > :34:34.although it was opposed by conservative allies of Chancellor

:34:35. > :34:42.She changed her mind to allow a free vote.

:34:43. > :35:00.Time for a sports update. Breaking news and good news for

:35:01. > :35:04.cricket fans, the BBC has secured free to air digital and radio rights

:35:05. > :35:08.packages from the ECB which means live cricket will return to the BBC

:35:09. > :35:13.for the first time in 21 years. We will show highlights of all England

:35:14. > :35:16.matches as well as two T20 games in full. We will have ten live matches

:35:17. > :35:21.from the new T20 club competition as well. And there will be up to nine

:35:22. > :35:26.live women's fixtures but England Test match cricket will stay on paid

:35:27. > :35:30.subscription services in the 2020-2024 period. Number one seed

:35:31. > :35:34.Andy Murray will face a qualifier Lucky loser in the first round of

:35:35. > :35:37.Wimbledon. He has been drawn in the same half as French Open champion

:35:38. > :35:42.Rafa Nadal which means they could meet in the semifinals this year.

:35:43. > :35:44.Johanna Konta beat the world number one Angelique Kerber yesterday

:35:45. > :35:48.despite taking a heavy fall during the match. She will play Karolina

:35:49. > :35:52.Pliskova in the semifinal at Eastbourne later and fellow Briton

:35:53. > :35:57.Heather Watson is also through to the last four and will face Caroline

:35:58. > :36:00.Wozniacki at 11am. The British and Irish Lions coach Andy Farrell says

:36:01. > :36:03.it is do or die ahead of the second Test against New Zealand tomorrow

:36:04. > :36:09.morning. Defeat in Wellington would mean the All Blacks will take this

:36:10. > :36:12.varies. More in user life after 11 o'clock. -- take the series.

:36:13. > :36:15.Parts of President Trump's ban on travellers from six mainly Muslim

:36:16. > :36:21.The restriction, which began at 1am this morning,

:36:22. > :36:23.means that refugees and people from six named countries

:36:24. > :36:25.without close family or business relationships in the US

:36:26. > :36:27.could be denied visas and barred entry.

:36:28. > :36:29.Grandparents, aunts, uncles, nephews and nieces

:36:30. > :36:33.are not considered to be "bona fide" relations.

:36:34. > :36:35.The rules apply to people in Iran, Libya, Syria,

:36:36. > :36:46.I spoke to a political commentator and a broadcaster and Republican

:36:47. > :36:47.activist earlier. It's already being

:36:48. > :36:50.challenged by Hawaii. What are your thoughts

:36:51. > :36:53.on this ban now? Well, the Supreme Court has

:36:54. > :36:59.actually ruled a partial... That Donald Trump can actually

:37:00. > :37:01.implement part of the ban, and so they are actually moving

:37:02. > :37:05.full steam ahead. And this is pretty amazing

:37:06. > :37:08.because when you think about it, there have been a number of courts

:37:09. > :37:11.that have already shot this down. So I'm sure the thinking

:37:12. > :37:14.was that the Supreme Court, if they actually decided to take

:37:15. > :37:17.this up, would actually No one actually thought

:37:18. > :37:21.that they would actually allow Donald Trump to actually implement

:37:22. > :37:25.parts of the ban until they decide to take it up, and they won't take

:37:26. > :37:29.it up until the next session of the Supreme Court,

:37:30. > :37:31.which is in the fall, So the president is actually moving

:37:32. > :37:36.full steam ahead with this, and I think it's only going to be

:37:37. > :37:40.that much more troubling because it could take us back to a place

:37:41. > :37:43.where you see the United States' standing in the world diminish,

:37:44. > :37:48.much like what took place during the Iraq war,

:37:49. > :37:51.where much of the world had a very diminished

:37:52. > :37:54.view of the United States because, for many, the United States has

:37:55. > :37:56.always been that beacon, a place where the voiceless,

:37:57. > :38:00.the helpless can come. And now it looks as though

:38:01. > :38:03.we are turning people away for no And I think that's something

:38:04. > :38:13.that's deeply troubling, Charlie Wolf, the president says

:38:14. > :38:16.that the reason for this ban I think he has the right

:38:17. > :38:26.as commander-in-chief to make that decision,

:38:27. > :38:28.and that's what I'm I think there's a couple

:38:29. > :38:31.of things here. First off, I think the lower courts

:38:32. > :38:34.were wrong and they were judging him on personality and, for instance,

:38:35. > :38:36.one of the judges based it on comments he made

:38:37. > :38:39.on the campaign trail. And the other thing that's

:38:40. > :38:43.important, more so than our standing in the world, which I think

:38:44. > :38:46.is still safe, is there's always been sort of an elasticity between

:38:47. > :38:49.the three branches of government. And it's important not just

:38:50. > :38:53.for Mr Trump but for future presidents that he has that power,

:38:54. > :38:56.that it's not taken away, when it He is the commander-in-chief,

:38:57. > :39:04.and when we have judges diminishing that power,

:39:05. > :39:05.that sets a very This is a bar on people

:39:06. > :39:16.entering the US on the basis of where they are from

:39:17. > :39:18.and what their religion is. I don't think it's based

:39:19. > :39:20.on their religion. When he said, for instance,

:39:21. > :39:22.after San Bernardino, when he said, I think it was,

:39:23. > :39:25.Muslim countries, if I had been advising him on communications

:39:26. > :39:28.I would have said from specific And also, let's not forget,

:39:29. > :39:33.these are not countries These were classified by the Obama

:39:34. > :39:43.administration and the simple fact Eric Ham, what about the point

:39:44. > :39:46.that these are countries that are being targeted under this ban

:39:47. > :39:48.that were identified We do know that President Obama

:39:49. > :39:52.did have a temporary ban in place for Iraq,

:39:53. > :39:55.and it did not expand to the countries that Donald Trump

:39:56. > :39:57.has actually laid out These are countries that

:39:58. > :40:05.are actually decided upon by the Trump administration,

:40:06. > :40:07.that he implemented. And what was so striking

:40:08. > :40:11.about the ban is there were some countries,

:40:12. > :40:13.particularly Saudi Arabia, Because when you look at where

:40:14. > :40:22.the 9/11 attackers came from, We know that Saudi Arabia

:40:23. > :40:26.is the biggest exporter of Wahhabiism, which is seen

:40:27. > :40:31.as an extreme version of Islam. That's a country that has

:40:32. > :40:35.not added to the ban, and I think many people look at this

:40:36. > :40:38.ban in particular and say these are countries where

:40:39. > :40:41.the president does not have I just want to move

:40:42. > :40:51.on to something else that emerged from Donald Trump,

:40:52. > :40:53.and it's a personal attack And it's not the first time he's

:40:54. > :40:58.made personal comments It's a host called Mika Brzezinski,

:40:59. > :41:01.on Twitter he described her What do you each think about these

:41:02. > :41:09.comments by Donald Trump, the way that he does take people

:41:10. > :41:12.on in very personal terms? I can't comment so much

:41:13. > :41:16.on this particular incident because I haven't really seen much

:41:17. > :41:20.of it here in London yet. When we elected the man, everybody

:41:21. > :41:26.knew, it was totally clear, that he is a man who's not been

:41:27. > :41:30.a president or not been in politics, He himself said, if you attack me,

:41:31. > :41:37.I come back ten times harder. If people are surprised,

:41:38. > :41:40.you know, I'm surprised Is it edifying, though,

:41:41. > :41:48.for a president to be doing it? I'll leave that to the individual

:41:49. > :41:50.to decide for themselves. The press have been treating him

:41:51. > :41:57.in the same respect, you know? So I think if you want to play

:41:58. > :42:10.the game, you know, if you give If I could just push

:42:11. > :42:15.back, no, Mr Wolf, this This is the presidency

:42:16. > :42:18.of the United States. And many people look

:42:19. > :42:21.at the presidency as the most And so, as a result of that,

:42:22. > :42:26.I think many have high expectations of the person who holds the office

:42:27. > :42:31.because you're encapsulating And what the president did

:42:32. > :42:38.was he attacked a reporter and he attacked her in very

:42:39. > :42:40.personal, very strident And we've seen him do

:42:41. > :42:45.this as a candidate, but this is the first time that

:42:46. > :42:47.we've actually seen him And I think his own party has come

:42:48. > :42:55.after him in very aggressive terms, because it's clearly un-beholding

:42:56. > :42:58.of what we expect of our president I agree with you, but I think

:42:59. > :43:04.we knew going in that this was not You know, this is Donald Trump,

:43:05. > :43:11.and I think the people that elected him this time around weren't

:43:12. > :43:14.so interested necessarily in... That's not necessarily

:43:15. > :43:16.a constitutional They wanted somebody

:43:17. > :43:21.who can fix the economy, that's what they're

:43:22. > :43:27.expecting, not to... -- not to play nice nice with the

:43:28. > :43:31.press. Politics in Northern

:43:32. > :43:34.Ireland is never simple. But in recent weeks, it seems

:43:35. > :43:37.to have become unusually complex. Yesterday, talks between Sinn Fein -

:43:38. > :43:40.who want Northern Ireland to be part of the Irish Republic,

:43:41. > :43:42.and the DUP who want it to remain a part of the UK -

:43:43. > :43:46.failed to restore the so-called power sharing executive, under

:43:47. > :43:48.which the two communities share key Meanwhile, the DUP have just agreed

:43:49. > :43:52.to support Theresa May and the Conservative government

:43:53. > :43:55.at Westminster in exchange for a ?1 billion package of spending

:43:56. > :43:58.in Northern Ireland. And this is all against

:43:59. > :44:01.the backdrop of Brexit - which threatens to see a hard border

:44:02. > :44:04.between the north and To help unpick all of this,

:44:05. > :44:12.we have in the studio She's an Irish historian

:44:13. > :44:18.and author. And from the BBC studio in Belfast -

:44:19. > :44:21.Eamonn Mallie - an author reporting on Northern Ireland

:44:22. > :44:28.and its politics for decades. Thank you for joining us. The

:44:29. > :44:33.deadline for agreement has been extended until Monday. Do you think

:44:34. > :44:41.that is going to be enough time to unlock this? Welcome to everybody in

:44:42. > :44:45.London and throughout the UK. I doubt if we can have a resolution in

:44:46. > :44:50.the short term. There are mountains to be climbed. The gaps are so

:44:51. > :44:54.tremendous between the two sides. I would be suspicious whether there's

:44:55. > :45:02.any possibility of a resolution in the next 48 hours. It is highly

:45:03. > :45:05.unlikely. Given the DUP will not be negotiating Sunday, a custom and

:45:06. > :45:11.practice of the party. I think we are in a deadlock here. If there is

:45:12. > :45:17.not agreement, then what? Direct rule, probably, for a time, some

:45:18. > :45:21.measure of it. I agree with Eamon, I can't see how they will resolve it.

:45:22. > :45:25.From my perspective, I think the problem was Sinn Fein did not want

:45:26. > :45:28.the executive to come back and so made an enormous number of demands

:45:29. > :45:32.that they knew the DUP couldn't actually do. But then when the money

:45:33. > :45:38.happened, the ?1 billion, they want to have a part in influencing how it

:45:39. > :45:44.is spent, how do they actually back down and save face? It is not easy.

:45:45. > :45:48.But as you say, the ?1 billion if they want to decide how it is spent,

:45:49. > :45:54.they need to unlock this? Yes, but they don't want to disillusion their

:45:55. > :46:00.supporters. So how do those two issues get worked together, Eamon?

:46:01. > :46:08.I know this billion pound and the new love affair between the DUP and

:46:09. > :46:13.Theresa May, I know it is an irritant, but let's be realistic,

:46:14. > :46:18.the problems obtaining now would be here regardless. There is such a

:46:19. > :46:27.gulf over the questions, or the issue of Brexit, Sinn Fein and the

:46:28. > :46:33.nationalists want to stay in Europe. The DUP voted to leave. The majority

:46:34. > :46:38.voted to stay. But the issues dealing with the past and things

:46:39. > :46:47.like same sex marriage, we have an instrument in Government here, a

:46:48. > :46:52.veto, whereby the DUP has used this instrument this veto to block for

:46:53. > :46:57.example any discussion coming forth regarding same sex marriage. So the

:46:58. > :47:04.issues are there regardless of the relationship with the Tories. That

:47:05. > :47:12.is a mere add on. If case you thought there were not enough come

:47:13. > :47:19.plications, if there was an election the DUP are likely to do better. Why

:47:20. > :47:24.is that because of the deal? Yes and because they did badly in the last

:47:25. > :47:29.Assembly election, because there was a lot of bad blood. This time they

:47:30. > :47:34.would have done better and have the veto. Doesn't that put more pressure

:47:35. > :47:41.on Sinn Fein to try to get to ensure that those are two scenarios that

:47:42. > :47:47.don't happen? Yes it is hard to see how they can cross that gulf. It is

:47:48. > :47:51.so huge. There is no trust between them of any kind. And they have

:47:52. > :47:57.become the two big party and destroyed the middle ground. They

:47:58. > :48:04.have done it before obviously. Yes but the gulf is wider. Why do you

:48:05. > :48:11.think it is wider now? Just huge mistrust and a lot of issues that

:48:12. > :48:17.are unresolvable. The issue around the Irish language. Sinn Fein want

:48:18. > :48:23.ant Irish language act and from the point of view of unionism and others

:48:24. > :48:34.would involve enormous wasteful expense. 0.02% of people speak Irish

:48:35. > :48:40.at home. But this would involve interpreters in the courts, 10% of

:48:41. > :48:44.recruits in public service being Irish-speaking and so on. Massively.

:48:45. > :48:50.But it is very hard for them to row back on it. Because they have made

:48:51. > :48:57.it an issue of cultural respect. I don't know how you get out of it. We

:48:58. > :49:00.will have to wait and see, thank you both very much.

:49:01. > :49:02.The dance music industry is worth $7.4 billion dollars.

:49:03. > :49:05.Last year, Forbes magazine's top 10 richest Djs were all men -

:49:06. > :49:10.with Calvin Harris topping the list for the fourth year in a row.

:49:11. > :49:13.Which begs the question, why are there so few females at the top?

:49:14. > :49:18.Gender discrimination took centre stage at this year's

:49:19. > :49:21.Ibiza's International Music Summit, where co-founder Pete Tong and many

:49:22. > :49:24.other leading figures gathered to debate how to change that tune.

:49:25. > :49:26.Quick warning - there are some flashing images in this piece.

:49:27. > :49:30.I was sexually assaulted by a promoter.

:49:31. > :49:32.I had a co-worker who called me his secretary, even though

:49:33. > :49:49.I never made more than $100 as a DJ until I think I was 33 years old.

:49:50. > :49:54.I don't know a single woman in dance music who has not experienced some

:49:55. > :49:58.version of this, from unwanted attention from fans, touching, that

:49:59. > :50:04.If there is one of me, there have to be thousands of

:50:05. > :50:16.I don't think women want to be in positions of influence through

:50:17. > :50:23.You know, they want to be in positions of influence by being

:50:24. > :50:28.At 17, I came over with ?100 in my pocket and two flight

:50:29. > :50:32.I was the first female resident DJ in Ibiza.

:50:33. > :50:37.25 years later, there's a lot more women that have come on the scene.

:50:38. > :50:40.It's still a still much lower amount of females that are around, or

:50:41. > :50:47.If you look at the top DJ 100, I think there was two,

:50:48. > :50:50.There aren't many women represented in dance

:50:51. > :50:55.music publishing, definitely not as many women as men bust up but I

:50:56. > :50:59.believe that I got my job because I was the best for it -

:51:00. > :51:01.not because I was a woman, but because I was the

:51:02. > :51:19.I had a meeting and this guy didn't even look at me or

:51:20. > :51:21.acknowledge me, and yeah, it's difficult, it's definitely

:51:22. > :51:27.But it's something I feel very passionate about that needs to

:51:28. > :51:31.It's time to move into the action phase.

:51:32. > :51:34.But we also need to see men get active in this.

:51:35. > :51:36.There are some very talented women out

:51:37. > :51:39.there, but being someone who is quite up in electronic music, I

:51:40. > :51:44.It's definitely a lot better when it's a mixture of people,

:51:45. > :51:47.you know, whether it's ethnicity or gender,

:51:48. > :51:59.you know, race and gender, it's better for everyone to be mixed.

:52:00. > :52:01.We created this system of support that women

:52:02. > :52:08.Menus to have their gents clubs or their golf clubs or their whisky

:52:09. > :52:10.bars, women don't really have these physical

:52:11. > :52:11.spaces, and so I decided to

:52:12. > :52:19.We're talking about mental health issues and male

:52:20. > :52:26.The whole thing around diversity's probably been a more intense debate

:52:27. > :52:30.I think it's important to talk about it and be

:52:31. > :52:35.transparent about it, because unless we do, then it's

:52:36. > :52:38.going to continue to be the cost of doing business, and it should

:52:39. > :52:44.We're joined by Sybil Bell, who is the founder of

:52:45. > :52:46.Independent Venue Week - championing small music

:52:47. > :52:52.But she also set up and ran an event called Yes She can -

:52:53. > :52:54.aimed at young women who want to learn about

:52:55. > :52:57.And also Mandy Parnell who is a music producer and also

:52:58. > :53:10.Thank you for coming in. It is weird isn't it? It is not like it is an

:53:11. > :53:15.old fashioned or a traditional area, it's modern, out there, why is it

:53:16. > :53:22.that women don't seem to be punching through? I don't know, it is a

:53:23. > :53:26.tricky one, it almost seems ironic that we need to have this discussion

:53:27. > :53:31.and there are groups championing women and the event we put on to

:53:32. > :53:40.encourage young women to learn about the music industry, it almost feels

:53:41. > :53:47.like we should haven't those discussions. Why do you think there

:53:48. > :53:56.is not parity. I think we need to aim younger. I was at the music week

:53:57. > :54:01.and met some women from Finland that have an initiative aiming at

:54:02. > :54:06.children in primary school, teaching them about music and production and

:54:07. > :54:10.recording music. So I think a lot of our initiatives are aimed at

:54:11. > :54:15.teenagers, when they're doing their options or later when they're coming

:54:16. > :54:20.into college, which the foundations probably's been set by the choices.

:54:21. > :54:26.Do you think it is that young girls are choosing, are not choosing it

:54:27. > :54:30.rather than once people have chosen it being discriminated against? I

:54:31. > :54:36.think so yes, they don't realise it is a choice early enough. Maybe from

:54:37. > :54:41.conditioning, through systems, through being at home. Yeah, I think

:54:42. > :54:46.it's more you know we need to aim younger so they realise it is a

:54:47. > :54:49.choice. In all sciences. Do you think there is discrimination within

:54:50. > :54:55.the industry as well or is it not that? I think there is just from the

:54:56. > :54:58.film you showed, there are examples where women are discriminated

:54:59. > :55:02.against. It is a tough one, my personal experience has been very

:55:03. > :55:06.little of that and in fact there have been a number of men who have

:55:07. > :55:11.been strong champions of women in the business. So it is a difficult

:55:12. > :55:17.one and I guess it depends on which part of business you're in. But it

:55:18. > :55:24.does xus. -- xus. I think in -- exist. I think men feel entitlement

:55:25. > :55:28.and women are used to grafting and it is a shame we have to be overtly

:55:29. > :55:34.speaking up on behalf of women to get that level. I think manned Yip's

:55:35. > :55:41.right -- Mandy's right and the experience we have had is the

:55:42. > :55:45.younger you get, the earlier you can speak to girls, giving them options

:55:46. > :55:51.and understanding that is a choice is empowering. Our project was part

:55:52. > :55:56.of a campaign and we had girls from Sunderland and Hull and London and

:55:57. > :56:00.we were talking about production, live production and studio

:56:01. > :56:05.production and we probably went too deep into that, some didn't know a

:56:06. > :56:11.number of careers even existed, even they were technical roles. And I

:56:12. > :56:15.think the more we can do to educate young girls, music's coming out of a

:56:16. > :56:22.lot of curriculum in schools that is a dayser the. It should be -- that

:56:23. > :56:28.is a disaster. There are so many women in music, female artists, why

:56:29. > :56:37.is this area not, that girls are not thinking about it as a natural area.

:56:38. > :56:41.We have a PRS and they have got an initiative called women make music

:56:42. > :56:45.to raise women song writers, because they don't have that many, but we

:56:46. > :56:50.have lots of women in the public eye, but behind the scenes, say in

:56:51. > :56:55.engineering we have managed to raise it and the MPG are raising their

:56:56. > :57:05.membership, but were talking to six to, to what? With one group 28%. 28%

:57:06. > :57:09.for independent venue week, we work with venues around the country and

:57:10. > :57:14.28% of the people who own or manage the venues are women. That is the

:57:15. > :57:21.strongest statistic we have of women in a sense in these roles in these

:57:22. > :57:26.technical roles. Have you come across women being held back,

:57:27. > :57:32.discrimination? I don't know whether I have heard much around it. The

:57:33. > :57:39.women, I mentor a lot of women and they have made a choice to do this.

:57:40. > :57:45.So it is more about empowering them not to be intimidated, in any way,

:57:46. > :57:49.to, yes yeah, to be strong in what they're doing and not play the

:57:50. > :57:56.victim if that makes the sense. It is easy to fly the flag and say,

:57:57. > :58:04.it's because I'm a woman when you come across ignorant women,. I don't

:58:05. > :58:07.think a lot of us have had victimisation because we're women, I

:58:08. > :58:09.wouldn't say I have, but I have been in the industry 33 years. Thank you

:58:10. > :58:35.both very much. Have a good weekend. We're not going to get out of this

:58:36. > :58:38.one, are we?