05/07/2017

:00:43. > :00:52.We are already going through the crisis, the trauma. How much more do

:00:53. > :00:55.we need to bend back? Almost all of the men, women and children affected

:00:56. > :01:02.by the fire are still living in hotel rooms. Some are worried that

:01:03. > :01:06.if they take up the offer it might jeopardise the chances of getting a

:01:07. > :01:11.new build expensive flat in the heart of Kensington. We also hear

:01:12. > :01:19.that black people are being felled by the mental health system because

:01:20. > :01:22.of institutional racism. Being placed in those four walls was one

:01:23. > :01:36.of the most during things they could have done.

:01:37. > :01:56.We will get reaction and your reaction

:01:57. > :02:03.I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:02:04. > :02:06.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

:02:07. > :02:09.Over the next two hours we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:02:10. > :02:11.and developing stories - a little later we'll

:02:12. > :02:13.hear from one woman - who was stalked over

:02:14. > :02:16.a period of five years - in that time she made over 125

:02:17. > :02:18.complaints to police - who did little.

:02:19. > :02:20.Her stalker has now been jailed for life for her attempted murder.

:02:21. > :02:23.It comes as a new report says too often police

:02:24. > :02:26.Really keen to hear your experiences this morning -

:02:27. > :02:31.if you've been stalked - how were you treated by police?

:02:32. > :02:35.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:02:36. > :02:38.use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:02:39. > :02:43.Victims of harassment and stalking in England and Wales are being left

:02:44. > :02:46.at risk because of failings by police and prosecutors,

:02:47. > :02:49.Two watchdogs found that crimes weren't being recorded,

:02:50. > :02:51.investigations were poorly conducted and legal protection wasn't

:02:52. > :02:54.They examined 112 cases in detail and concluded that none had

:02:55. > :02:59.Officers and prosecutors were identifying cases in isolation,

:03:00. > :03:02.whereas by its very nature, both stalking and harassment occurs

:03:03. > :03:04.as a result of really pernicious and persistent offending.

:03:05. > :03:06.And officers and prosecutors were missing that, which meant that

:03:07. > :03:21.Our Home Affairs Correspondent, Danny Shaw, is in the studio.

:03:22. > :03:28.This is not good, is it? It is a terrible report, really, and it

:03:29. > :03:31.shows failings at every stage of the criminal justice process, from the

:03:32. > :03:34.moment that an allegation of harassment or stalking is made,

:03:35. > :03:39.those crimes are not being reported or recorded properly, sometimes not

:03:40. > :03:43.being recorded at all. Victims are not being dealt with properly, risk

:03:44. > :03:46.assessment are being done and investigations aren't being carried

:03:47. > :03:50.out properly. One of the most disturbing findings from this report

:03:51. > :03:55.is that it says there is concrete evidence that police are issuing

:03:56. > :03:58.warnings the perpetrators, rather than conducting thorough

:03:59. > :04:01.investigations, these are called police information notices. So they

:04:02. > :04:04.are kind of slapping these warnings on and thinking that is it, case

:04:05. > :04:08.done, rather than actually investigating the case and

:04:09. > :04:12.potentially bringing criminal charges, which could obviously lead

:04:13. > :04:18.to a much higher punishment. And so the recommendations? In terms of

:04:19. > :04:21.those warnings is that that whole system should be overhauled. There

:04:22. > :04:23.are a whole raft of other recommendations in terms of

:04:24. > :04:27.improving training, making officers more aware of the powers that they

:04:28. > :04:32.have and increasing understanding amongst police and prosecutors that

:04:33. > :04:36.they don't treat a stalking offence in isolation, but see it as part of

:04:37. > :04:40.a pattern of a series of incidents is. Danny Shaw is our home affairs

:04:41. > :04:44.correspondent and we will talk more about that later on in the

:04:45. > :04:47.programme. If you have experience of stalking and you contacted the

:04:48. > :04:49.police, let us know how you were treated. The rest of the morning's

:04:50. > :04:52.news with Joanna. Most of the families

:04:53. > :04:54.who lost their homes in the Grenfell Tower fire

:04:55. > :04:56.are still living in hotels - despite government pledges

:04:57. > :04:59.to rehouse them all by today. There was anger and frustration

:05:00. > :05:01.at a meeting with police and the Westminster Coroner last

:05:02. > :05:03.night, where residents demanded to know why

:05:04. > :05:05.there have been no arrests. The coroner is said to have

:05:06. > :05:07.described the scene inside This was the first opportunity

:05:08. > :05:16.for families to put their questions directly to police and

:05:17. > :05:20.the Westminster coroner. One reason this private meeting

:05:21. > :05:23.lasted more than 3.5 hours. It's understood relatives

:05:24. > :05:25.were told in graphic detail the challenge

:05:26. > :05:26.that forensic teams are facing

:05:27. > :05:33.in even trying to find DNA They say the information

:05:34. > :05:37.they are getting isn't good enough. We personally asked,

:05:38. > :05:40.where is our family? We want to know, is our families'

:05:41. > :05:45.bodies still there? Whatever it is, we want to know

:05:46. > :05:50.exactly what it is, And the answers that

:05:51. > :05:53.were coming back were, "We don't know, we don't

:05:54. > :05:56.know, we don't know." Today is the deadline

:05:57. > :05:58.set by Theresa May to rehouse the 158 families made

:05:59. > :06:02.homeless by the disaster. According to the Grenfell response

:06:03. > :06:06.team, that target has been met, with 139 formal offers made,

:06:07. > :06:13.but just nine have been accepted. Lawyers for survivors say most

:06:14. > :06:15.of the accommodation is Three weeks after the tragedy,

:06:16. > :06:21.police still maintain their investigation will be

:06:22. > :06:22.exhaustive and will bring the answers that the families

:06:23. > :06:35.desperately deserve, Police repeatedly failed a disabled

:06:36. > :06:41.refugee who sought the help before being murdered in Bristol for years

:06:42. > :06:45.ago, according to a report by the Independent Police Complaints

:06:46. > :06:50.Commission. Bijan Ebrahimi made dozens of calls to police, with

:06:51. > :06:54.threats to kill. He was eventually beaten to death by a neighbour, who

:06:55. > :06:57.wrongly believed he was a paedophile. They then and Somerset

:06:58. > :07:30.police say they have made changes and have apologised to his family.

:07:31. > :07:34.He told police dozens of times that his life was in danger.

:07:35. > :07:37.What part of 'be quiet' do you not understand?

:07:38. > :07:41.Now a report says that over several years, the Iranian refugee

:07:42. > :07:43.was repeatedly failed by Avon and Somerset police, treated

:07:44. > :07:48.In 2013, he was beaten to death by a neighbour outside his flat

:07:49. > :07:51.The Independent Police Complaints Commission says

:07:52. > :07:54.there were systematic failures in the way he was dealt with.

:07:55. > :07:57.Today's report runs to hundreds of pages and it says this whole case

:07:58. > :07:59.has laid bare what it calls the disrespect, the prejudice

:08:00. > :08:01.and even contempt with which some officers and staff treated

:08:02. > :08:04.Bijan Ebrahimi in the days before he was murdered here.

:08:05. > :08:06.Reading that report and just coming to terms with what happened

:08:07. > :08:10.He always thought that he is in a country that police

:08:11. > :08:13.And he couldn't see anything beyond that.

:08:14. > :08:15.Last year, PC Kevin Duffy and community support officer

:08:16. > :08:17.Andrew Passmore were jailed, after being convicted

:08:18. > :08:21.PC's Leanne Winter and Helen Harris ere cleared by the jury,

:08:22. > :08:23.but were later sacked by a misconduct hearing.

:08:24. > :08:25.We accept that we failed Bijan Ebrahimi at his time

:08:26. > :08:28.of greatest need and throughout that time, he was respectful

:08:29. > :08:30.and he had confidence and trust in us, the police.

:08:31. > :08:33.And we let him down and for that, we are sorry.

:08:34. > :08:35.Avon and Somerset Police say they have improved the way

:08:36. > :08:38.that they deal with vulnerable people as a result of this case.

:08:39. > :08:50.Bijan's sisters are still waiting for the local council's report.

:08:51. > :08:53.There are calls for the government to overhaul its approach to mental

:08:54. > :08:55.health to halt the trend of over-representation of black

:08:56. > :08:59.The think tank - the Centre for Mental Health -

:09:00. > :09:01.says black people are being failed because of "institutional racism".

:09:02. > :09:04.The Department of Health says it wants to make sure that everyone,

:09:05. > :09:06.regardless of ethnicity, age or background, gets

:09:07. > :09:16.And we'll have more on this story at around half past nine.

:09:17. > :09:18.The United States has confirmed that a weapon fired into the Sea

:09:19. > :09:20.of Japan by North Korea was an intercontinental

:09:21. > :09:28.The North Korean leader -- Kim Jong-Un -- described the test

:09:29. > :09:31.as a gift to the Americans on their day of independence.

:09:32. > :09:33.The US and South Korea have jointly warned the North that war

:09:34. > :09:38.In Saudi Arabia being the biggest promoter obviously missed extremism

:09:39. > :09:44.in the UK. A study by the right of centre foreign policy think tank the

:09:45. > :09:53.Henry Jackson Society has singled out Qatar as a centre for coders.

:09:54. > :09:59.A study says victims from -- students from the poorest

:10:00. > :10:03.backgrounds will leave university with ?57,000 of debt. The report

:10:04. > :10:07.from the European Institute for Fiscal Studies says most graduates

:10:08. > :10:12.will still be paying off student loans into their 50s and three

:10:13. > :10:15.quarters will never clear the debt. The government says those from

:10:16. > :10:20.poorer backgrounds are going to university at a record rate, up 40%

:10:21. > :10:23.since 2009. Experts are warning that a new generation of lifelike sex

:10:24. > :10:28.robots could lead to ethical risks and the objectification of women. A

:10:29. > :10:32.report for the foundation of responsible robotics is that whilst

:10:33. > :10:35.the sidewalks could provide a valuable source of companionship for

:10:36. > :10:39.the elderly or disabled they could also be used to satisfy desires that

:10:40. > :10:44.would otherwise be illegal. The report also raises concerns that

:10:45. > :10:47.female versions are based on representations garnered from

:10:48. > :10:53.pornography. That is a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 930. I

:10:54. > :10:57.knew a student with ?50,000 worth of debt from your student days? If so,

:10:58. > :11:06.let me know. That is the normal apparently, 50 K. As you know, you

:11:07. > :11:10.start paying it back when you earn a salary of ?21,000, and the interest

:11:11. > :11:15.charged does not increase until your salary reaches ?41,000.

:11:16. > :11:18.Comprehensive analysis by the ISS shows that most people will not

:11:19. > :11:23.repay that debt. The interest rate is due to go up in the autumn. It is

:11:24. > :11:28.for .6% at the moment, it is due to go up to 6.1%. So if you have that

:11:29. > :11:32.kind of debt, tell us how it is impacting you, or if you find the

:11:33. > :11:36.payment of whatever it is, 70 quid a month, depending on what you own, is

:11:37. > :11:43.absolutely doable. Let me know, we will talk about that at about

:11:44. > :11:45.quarter to ten. Now a bit of sport with Tim Hague.

:11:46. > :11:53.The second round of Wimbledon begins today with Andy Murray taking on

:11:54. > :11:57.Germany's Dustin Brown, but the big talking point yesterday was the

:11:58. > :12:00.number of players pulling out of their first-round matches, they

:12:01. > :12:03.still earn ?35,000 for turning up, and while Novak Djokovic and Roger

:12:04. > :12:07.Federer say it could be time to change the reels, Martin Klizan

:12:08. > :12:13.lasted only 40 minutes against Djokovic before his calf injury

:12:14. > :12:16.proved too much. Federer's match didn't last much longer. Alexandr

:12:17. > :12:24.Dolgopolov was forced off with an ankle injury. The seven time

:12:25. > :12:26.champion and Djokovic joked they should go out and play a practice

:12:27. > :12:30.match because they have had so little time on court. Away from the

:12:31. > :12:34.tennis, Mark Cavendish is out of the Tour de France after a crash at the

:12:35. > :12:39.end of yesterday's fourth stage. The Briton broke his shoulder after

:12:40. > :12:43.appearing to be elbowed by watch a Peter Sagan, who was subsequently

:12:44. > :12:47.disqualified but is appealing that decision. Rangers suffered one of

:12:48. > :12:51.the worst of it in their history last night, leading 1-0 from the

:12:52. > :12:54.first leg at Ibrox, they were knocked out of the Europa League by

:12:55. > :12:59.a part-time team from Luxembourg, losing 2-0 on the night, 2-1 on

:13:00. > :13:04.aggregate. I will be back with more sport in the next hour. Victoria,

:13:05. > :13:08.you will be having your daily Wimbledon catch up at around 9:30am.

:13:09. > :13:11.It's three weeks since the fire at Grenfell Tower

:13:12. > :13:14.in North Kensington, which killed at least 80 people and left

:13:15. > :13:18.On this programme exactly a week ago, the Housing Minister made it

:13:19. > :13:20.very clear that temporary homes WOULD be offered to everyone

:13:21. > :13:27.Today, we're back here in North Kensington to catch up

:13:28. > :13:29.with some of those we first met on that Wednesday.

:13:30. > :13:32.To bring you more remarkable stories of those who escaped, and to find

:13:33. > :13:47.It's constantly we're expected to chase things,

:13:48. > :13:50.go here, phone this, queue here, do that.

:13:51. > :13:58.It's no surprise to me at all that you have an empty chair there,

:13:59. > :14:01.having worked on the Council for 11 years, the depth of incompetence

:14:02. > :14:06.You'll notice that we've a couple of chairs here now, empty chairs.

:14:07. > :14:08.This is a photograph of the leader of Kensington

:14:09. > :14:16.and Chelsea Borough Council, that's Nick Paget-Brown.

:14:17. > :14:18.So I'm asking you respectfully, check your moral compass.

:14:19. > :14:34.Then you will gain the respect and understanding of these people.

:14:35. > :14:41.What I need to know, people are struggling

:14:42. > :14:54.And the problem that we have is that we now know there is a price

:14:55. > :14:58.The housing minister, I'm told, is here, his name is Alok Sharma

:14:59. > :15:02.and he has agreed to be with us today after pressure from residents.

:15:03. > :15:03.So I know you have questions for him.

:15:04. > :15:13.Thank you very much for giving us your time today.

:15:14. > :15:17.Why is it OK that there are thousands of empty

:15:18. > :15:20.homes right in this area, and these people are homeless?

:15:21. > :15:34.Olu does not want temporary accommodation, he wants

:15:35. > :15:35.permanent accommodation, he wants good permanent

:15:36. > :15:47.You created it to save money, to keep money in your pocket,

:15:48. > :15:56.Can you please be specific as to what package you are offering

:15:57. > :15:58.in terms of housing, rehousing the residents

:15:59. > :16:02.And be specific, please, without the flowery words.

:16:03. > :16:11.Let the minister speak, hear what he is committing to.

:16:12. > :16:15.Please let us know what your commitment is.

:16:16. > :16:22.So what we've committed to, is, is anyone whose home has been

:16:23. > :16:24.destroyed, will be housed by next Wednesday in good accommodation,

:16:25. > :16:27.and then we will work with, and in housing

:16:28. > :16:31.So what we are not going to do is, you are offered a home,

:16:32. > :16:34.you don't like it and you're still asked to go in,

:16:35. > :16:50.139 families have been offered temporary homes. Only 14 have been

:16:51. > :17:13.accepted. We've been spending time with the

:17:14. > :17:14.family. He has been offered a temporary home, he explains why he

:17:15. > :17:26.turned it down. So when we last spoke, you were

:17:27. > :17:29.staying in a hotel in Paddington. I'm staying at a friend's house,

:17:30. > :17:33.which is on the ground floor. The room was too

:17:34. > :17:38.small for four of us. Last week on our programme,

:17:39. > :17:42.you met the housing minister, and I understand you went

:17:43. > :17:44.to Westwood to have Not his best, actually,

:17:45. > :17:53.he said I would be made an offer by next Wednesday,

:17:54. > :17:55.which is technically I was offered a property

:17:56. > :18:04.which is outside the borough. And it's a bigger property

:18:05. > :18:17.than my initial one, which effectively means

:18:18. > :18:19.I'm paying more rent. No, I declined it, because it feels

:18:20. > :18:30.like I'm being offered It's not within the borough

:18:31. > :18:42.or the area where we feel safe. To get out of an area I have known

:18:43. > :18:48.for over 25 years is hard. If someone said that you need to be

:18:49. > :18:51.more flexible in terms of the housing you choose,

:18:52. > :18:53.what would you say to them? I'm trying to be as flexible

:18:54. > :18:56.as I can already. We're already going through

:18:57. > :18:59.undignified struggle, How much more do we need

:19:00. > :19:07.to bend our back before the local authority start pulling

:19:08. > :19:12.up their socks and start doing what they're supposed to be doing

:19:13. > :19:15.for the citizens of this country? In terms of getting rehoused,

:19:16. > :19:19.what is the next step? What more can I do directly

:19:20. > :19:31.for my family other than sit down with the Secretary of State and say

:19:32. > :19:35.look, and the minister for housing, Would you like to meet

:19:36. > :19:50.with the minister again, I would say the same thing

:19:51. > :19:57.I said when I met him. We do not need temporary

:19:58. > :20:06.accommodation. You do not need to put me

:20:07. > :20:09.and my family in a hotel. Meet our needs, or just

:20:10. > :20:30.tell the truth, that If you can't meet the

:20:31. > :20:34.requirements, it's simple. If you can't do it,

:20:35. > :20:42.tell us the truth. Mahad Egal isn't alone -

:20:43. > :20:44.almost all of the men, women and children affected

:20:45. > :20:46.by the fire still A leaked government letter seen

:20:47. > :20:50.by this programme suggests some are worried if they take up

:20:51. > :20:53.the offer it might jeapordisde their chances of getting a new luxury flat

:20:54. > :20:55.in the heart of Kensington. Our reporter Jim Reed has

:20:56. > :21:01.been looking into this. The authorities say they have

:21:02. > :21:04.contacted every single household. 158 Housing assessment is taking

:21:05. > :21:10.place. 139 have been offered some form of temporary accommodation. Not

:21:11. > :21:15.permanent accommodation. Six months sorry to help get people back on

:21:16. > :21:24.their feet. Just 14 have accepted that offer. The kind of

:21:25. > :21:31.accommodation. Two bedroom flat in Chelsea. Viewed by one of the

:21:32. > :21:35.families earlier this week. We understand under the terms of the

:21:36. > :21:41.arrangement, the government and local council has said all rent,

:21:42. > :21:46.council tax bills will be paid for after 12 months, after 12 months

:21:47. > :21:51.they will be expected to pay a standard social rent on the

:21:52. > :21:58.property. Let's go through the reasons why they're not taking up

:21:59. > :22:02.the offers. We spoke to around 20 survivors yesterday. Most people are

:22:03. > :22:08.saying it is because of the distance away from North Kensington, that

:22:09. > :22:12.they are offered a place. A lot of cases in different fathers. People

:22:13. > :22:16.telling us they want to stay close to the local community. They know

:22:17. > :22:22.people there, their kids may be in school. A wider issue, and distrust

:22:23. > :22:27.of the authorities. Particularly Kensington and Chelsea Council.

:22:28. > :22:30.People think if they take the temporary accommodation outside the

:22:31. > :22:41.borough, they may never get back to the area they know.

:22:42. > :22:54.People were told they would be offered 68 flats in the development

:22:55. > :22:59.called Kensington Road. On the open market these flats go for well north

:23:00. > :23:04.of ?1 million each. It appears that by offering these comets may be

:23:05. > :23:08.deterring people from taking temporary accommodation. We have

:23:09. > :23:14.seen a letter from Sajid Javid to residents. He says, I know some of

:23:15. > :23:19.you are worried about accepting temporary accommodation in case it

:23:20. > :23:23.reduces chances of being offered permanent housing, or the houses are

:23:24. > :23:39.Kensington Row. When we spoke to people, this

:23:40. > :23:45.did not come up. Certainly a concern for the government. Why can't the

:23:46. > :23:50.local council provide more flats, homes near the tower itself? This

:23:51. > :23:56.comes down to the wider question around social and council housing

:23:57. > :24:03.stock. There are zero social houses available in this borough. We were

:24:04. > :24:08.told because they are all being reserved, for the ones are being

:24:09. > :24:14.reserved. Even then, just not enough houses in the borough. 2781 people

:24:15. > :24:21.in that borough alone on the council house waiting list. We think between

:24:22. > :24:26.ten years, they have created an extra 690 places. One of the lowest

:24:27. > :24:29.rates in the whole of London. Real difference between people who want

:24:30. > :24:33.to get a council house in the borough, and the amount available.

:24:34. > :24:40.That is why it is so difficult to rehouse people locally. Anything

:24:41. > :24:44.else that can be done? The new Labour MP said this yesterday, the

:24:45. > :24:51.council to go out and buy new properties available. It is

:24:52. > :24:56.available. There are 143 houses for sale and a half million pounds in

:24:57. > :25:05.Kensington and Chelsea County. The council as ?300 million. The problem

:25:06. > :25:09.is the size of the houses. Only 19 of those 143 are two bedroom and

:25:10. > :25:23.above. How useful they would be for see larger families very debatable.

:25:24. > :25:28.Some of you feel ingratitude is being shown by some of the former

:25:29. > :25:35.Grenfell Tower residents. John saying that. The council working

:25:36. > :25:43.hard to rehouse them. You cannot manufacture houses. Bars says the

:25:44. > :25:47.straight with the survivors, the temporary accommodation is out of

:25:48. > :25:50.the area. I understand this is not realistic to rehouse all of them are

:25:51. > :26:01.Kensington, they need to at least offer property of the same red. --

:26:02. > :26:05.rent. We are now hearing the government will sending a task force

:26:06. > :26:21.to take over parts of Kensington and Chelsea Council.

:26:22. > :26:24.Let's talk now to Chebiouni Salah, he lived on the ninth floor

:26:25. > :26:29.His brother in law, his wife, and their children were on the 23rd

:26:30. > :26:33.- Chebiouni, you escaped with your family from the ninth

:26:34. > :26:35.floor and now you need housing for four of you?

:26:36. > :26:49.Temporary accommodation. Where was that, what was it like? The last one

:26:50. > :26:58.was only Holland Road. In the basement. We refuse that one. Did

:26:59. > :27:03.you go and look at it? Holland Park Road is quite close to where you

:27:04. > :27:08.are. Certainly nearer than Westminster, and Pimlico. Quite

:27:09. > :27:14.close, but temporary. I don't want the temporary first I am already in

:27:15. > :27:31.temporary accommodation, in the hotel. What is it like living in the

:27:32. > :27:35.hotel with your family? Like hell. I am stuck in the four corners. You

:27:36. > :27:57.said it is like hell. I cannot speak it is too

:27:58. > :28:06.frustrating. Three beds, four of us in there. Clearly you are prepared

:28:07. > :28:11.to stay in that hotel room, and wait for something permanent to come up.

:28:12. > :28:18.Even though that might take months? Even if it took months or years I

:28:19. > :28:22.would stay there. I don't care. I lost my flat, five members of my

:28:23. > :28:28.family, I have nothing to lose. I will stay there until they give me a

:28:29. > :28:32.permanent fluxes what do you say is the small number of people

:28:33. > :28:45.suggesting there is an element of ingratitude. You are not accepting

:28:46. > :28:51.this temporary accommodation? I lost everything. They have lost nothing.

:28:52. > :28:59.They are just talking. I am living in hell, not them. They should walk

:29:00. > :29:04.in your shoes. That is the right thing to say. Thank you very much

:29:05. > :29:12.for talking to us. We appreciate your time.

:29:13. > :29:20.Living in a hotel room with four people, in three beds. Despite that

:29:21. > :29:21.being hell, he would rather wait there for something permanent to be

:29:22. > :29:22.offered. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:29:23. > :29:25.with a summary of todays news. Victims of harassment and stalking

:29:26. > :29:28.in England and Wales are being left at risk because of failings

:29:29. > :29:30.by police and prosecutors, Two watchdogs found that crimes

:29:31. > :29:35.weren't being recorded, investigations were poorly conducted

:29:36. > :29:37.and legal protection wasn't They examined 112 cases in detail

:29:38. > :29:40.and concluded that none had The United States and South Korea

:29:41. > :29:59.have jointly warned North Korea that The majority of survivors of the

:30:00. > :30:05.Grenfell Tower fire remain in hotels despite the deadline offered by the

:30:06. > :30:12.Prime Minister to rehouse everyone in temporary accommodation. Victims

:30:13. > :30:20.expressed frustration in a meeting with ministers and councillors. Avon

:30:21. > :30:27.and Somerset Police have admitted they repeatedly failed refugee he

:30:28. > :30:31.was beaten to in Bristol. The report by the watchdog says officers is

:30:32. > :30:35.responding poorly when he asked for help in the years before he was

:30:36. > :30:38.murdered. The force says it has made changes, and apologised to his

:30:39. > :30:40.family. The United States and South Korea

:30:41. > :30:46.have jointly warned North Korea that war cannot be ruled out,

:30:47. > :30:47.following Pyongyang's intercontinental ballistic

:30:48. > :30:48.missile test yesterday. The two countries top officers based

:30:49. > :30:51.in South Korea said self restraint was a choice,

:30:52. > :30:56.which could change at any time. The North Korean leader,

:30:57. > :30:58.Kim Jong-Un, described the test as a gift to the Americans

:30:59. > :31:06.on their day of independence. A study says students from the

:31:07. > :31:11.poorest backgrounds will leave university with ?57,000 worth of

:31:12. > :31:13.debt. The report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies says most

:31:14. > :31:17.graduates will be paying off student loans into the 50s, and three

:31:18. > :31:22.quarters will never pay off the debt. The government says students

:31:23. > :31:29.from poorer backgrounds are going to University a record rate.

:31:30. > :31:38.Amy says, I have just completed a five-year course studying veterinary

:31:39. > :31:46.science. I have loans of nearly ?70,000. I will have to earn ?48,000

:31:47. > :31:51.before I pay off anything other than the interest. This is below the

:31:52. > :31:57.average wage in my profession. I will not pay off my loan. I see it

:31:58. > :32:01.as a feed. I will have two paid to do the job I want to do. I hope the

:32:02. > :32:05.government do not change the terms causing me to pay off an affordable

:32:06. > :32:14.instalments. Noah says, I will keep this short. This is incredibly hard

:32:15. > :32:21.to pay for I am relying I parents. My student loan debt is 28,000 820.

:32:22. > :32:26.For an undergraduate degree course. Jewish and costs were ?3000. Did a

:32:27. > :32:31.Masters in science. I needed a career development loan of ?4000

:32:32. > :32:40.whilst working part-time. I'm doing a Ph.D. With a ?13,000, over one

:32:41. > :32:45.grand a month. I have to pay monthly for the career development loan.

:32:46. > :32:50.After rent a ?500 I have so little left for food and normal costs I

:32:51. > :32:53.have absolutely no savings. I have overdrafts. I hope you can let

:32:54. > :32:57.people know how difficult this is. We would talk more about student

:32:58. > :33:00.debt in the next half-hour, your very welcome.

:33:01. > :33:03.Let's head to Wimbledon now, and talk to Sally Nugent -

:33:04. > :33:05.and the main talking point there seems to be not so much

:33:06. > :33:08.about tennis but a lack of it - players earning ?35,000

:33:09. > :33:11.for about 40 minutes work - what's been going on?

:33:12. > :33:18.Who knew? Actually everybody here knew about it because it is a very

:33:19. > :33:22.particular Wimbledon rule. Having yesterday, the two retirements on

:33:23. > :33:25.centre court, in the Djokovic and Federer match, their opponents both

:33:26. > :33:29.retired because of an injury. This was hugely disappointing for the

:33:30. > :33:32.crowd, because you come here and you expect to see two great whopping

:33:33. > :33:35.great matches yesterday, and actually their opponents both

:33:36. > :33:38.retired with an injury. A lot of talk in the press about the fact

:33:39. > :33:41.that they are coming on the court potentially knowing they are

:33:42. > :33:44.injured, knowing they are not 100% fit but wanting to play the match

:33:45. > :33:49.because, guess what, you earn ?35,000 just doing what they did

:33:50. > :33:57.yesterday. I heard Pat Cash yesterday, from all the modern

:33:58. > :34:03.winner, talking about not being the rules. If you were offered a chance

:34:04. > :34:06.to come out and have a go, you don't know what will happen to Roger

:34:07. > :34:11.Federer, you might slip and fall over on his way to the match, you

:34:12. > :34:18.don't know what will happen to Djokovic, so you can't blame for

:34:19. > :34:21.having a go. If you are a Premier League football and injured, you are

:34:22. > :34:24.still earning money, so I think it is perhaps something when Wood and

:34:25. > :34:27.will have to look at. Both Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer have said

:34:28. > :34:32.it is probably time to change the rules, or certainly to look at them

:34:33. > :34:35.to potentially reward players who are injured right at the last-minute

:34:36. > :34:40.to come play the match. Let's talk about today's play, Andy Murray

:34:41. > :34:45.seems to be OK, injury wise, what about the other British players?

:34:46. > :34:49.Andy Murray does seem OK, doesn't it, so far, so good. I will talk to

:34:50. > :34:53.Alex Ward, who was one of the British players. He played

:34:54. > :34:57.yesterday. You lost yesterday against Kyle Edmund, but you had a

:34:58. > :35:01.true Mendis experience here. It was your mum's 60th birthday, we had

:35:02. > :35:05.your mum on the programme and she was obviously just so proud to see

:35:06. > :35:12.you here and playing. She is a bit of fans favourite, I have had quite

:35:13. > :35:16.a bit of messages, it was a great occasion on her birthday and I think

:35:17. > :35:18.I did her proud. And of course you come here and you earn your money

:35:19. > :35:22.and play your game, which is great for someone like you, you really are

:35:23. > :35:26.working hard and working the circuit, it is important you make

:35:27. > :35:31.that money. That money is massive, anybody who was outside the world

:35:32. > :35:37.top 50, that money can be a massive benefit to invest in tennis. Let's

:35:38. > :35:42.talk about today, Andy Murray seems OK, but he is playing Dustin Brown.

:35:43. > :35:45.Tell us what you know about him. I have played him, I beat him in

:35:46. > :35:49.Germany a couple of years back and he is really up and down, you really

:35:50. > :35:52.don't know what you will get. I am sure he will hit some ridiculous

:35:53. > :35:56.shots today, he has all sorts of tricks, but I think Andy will pull

:35:57. > :36:08.through. He is playing better now. He will be solid. The he is a real

:36:09. > :36:12.fans favourite. Jo Konta is playing today, she has quite a tough match,

:36:13. > :36:26.Donna Vekic Chester they played in the final, and -- in Nottingham, and

:36:27. > :36:32.Donna Vekic won. Heather has a tough seed, a Latvian girl who likes the

:36:33. > :36:35.grass. Aljaz Bedene as well. He played a great match against

:36:36. > :36:41.Karlovic the other day, I watched it but I think it will recover and get

:36:42. > :36:46.through today. Thank you for bearing with us for that now a traditional

:36:47. > :36:50.fire alarm during the Victoria Derbyshire sport bulletin. I should

:36:51. > :36:56.tell you, I can't show you because of our camera angles, we are right

:36:57. > :36:59.next to the Royal Box here, and they have special cushions. Do they?

:37:00. > :37:08.Describe them. Looks very comfortable. Can you not grab one?

:37:09. > :37:12.Can we show the cushions? A little look. There we go. My cameraman will

:37:13. > :37:21.kill me for this, showing his workings. They don't look that

:37:22. > :37:33.comfort? They are a lot comfier than these, I can tell you! LAUGHTER

:37:34. > :37:36.I wouldn't complain. It is good to know that the emergency procedures

:37:37. > :37:39.are working as well as they were 24 hours ago. It is nearly 20 to ten,

:37:40. > :37:40.welcome to the programme. Are black people being failed

:37:41. > :37:42.by the mental health system If you're a black man,

:37:43. > :37:47.you're 17 times more to be diagnosed with a serious

:37:48. > :37:50.mental health condition If you're black, you're also four

:37:51. > :37:55.times more likely to be sectioned. Our reporter Isaac Fanin

:37:56. > :37:58.has been investigating Our reporter Isaac Fanin has

:37:59. > :38:06.been investigating. My name is Eche Ogbuono and I've

:38:07. > :38:09.been sectioned once under I was expecting to go

:38:10. > :38:13.to the hospital but in actual fact they took me to the police station,

:38:14. > :38:17.a police cell. My name is Maitreya al-Eboni

:38:18. > :38:20.and I've been sectioned by the mental health service twice

:38:21. > :38:22.in the last six years. I wasn't made aware that

:38:23. > :38:25.I was being sectioned and no one could give me any clarity

:38:26. > :38:35.as to what was taking place. Being placed in those four walls

:38:36. > :38:38.was one of the most damaging things that they could have done in that

:38:39. > :38:51.state of mind that I was in. This year in the UK,

:38:52. > :38:53.at least one in four adults will be affected

:38:54. > :38:58.by the mental health condition affected by a mental health

:38:59. > :39:00.condition but it is black people

:39:01. > :39:02.who are disproportionately affected. They are more likely to be sectioned

:39:03. > :39:05.under the 1983 Mental Health Act. And a black man is 17 more times

:39:06. > :39:09.likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental

:39:10. > :39:11.health conditions, such as Eche has bipolar disorder,

:39:12. > :39:20.and was initially detained under section 186 of the Mental Health

:39:21. > :39:23.Act. This part of the law gives

:39:24. > :39:29.the police the power to detain a person for 72 hours if they feel

:39:30. > :39:34.they are either in immediate need of care or control,

:39:35. > :39:39.or if it's in the interests of the person or for

:39:40. > :39:42.the protection of other people. According to the rules of the act,

:39:43. > :39:45.the individual is to be taken to a place of safety,

:39:46. > :39:48.usually a hospital, for assessment. But in Eche's case he was taken

:39:49. > :39:50.to a police station. He was then moved to a hospital,

:39:51. > :39:53.before being discharged. Section two of the Mental Health Act

:39:54. > :39:56.allows a person to be detained for longer,

:39:57. > :39:57.up to 28 days. After being released,

:39:58. > :40:00.there was an altercation at his home a few days later that led

:40:01. > :40:06.to his parents calling the police. There was a knock on the door,

:40:07. > :40:15.it was the police once again, and I'm in my room and I'm

:40:16. > :40:17.like, you know what, The first time I was compliant

:40:18. > :40:21.and so they were like, section two, 28 days,

:40:22. > :40:24.you have to go back there. Physically they tried to get me

:40:25. > :40:26.down, that didn't work, so they brought the Taser

:40:27. > :40:28.out, 50,000 volts. And before I know it I'm

:40:29. > :40:31.back in the handcuffs. Back in hospital to remove the Taser

:40:32. > :40:34.hook and then before you know And those experiences

:40:35. > :40:38.with the police and the Taser Of the system in general, as it felt

:40:39. > :40:50.like a prison-like experience. I felt like a criminal,

:40:51. > :40:54.I didn't have my freedom any more, how do you want me to now engage

:40:55. > :41:02.with this system? The matter of black

:41:03. > :41:04.over-representation within the mental

:41:05. > :41:07.health system is a complex one. Issues like unemployment and poverty

:41:08. > :41:09.play a part in the inequality but it is stories like Eche's

:41:10. > :41:12.which partly go towards fostering the stigma that mental health has

:41:13. > :41:21.within the black community. Everybody's saying oh,

:41:22. > :41:26.we're going to get this all right for Lambeth in London

:41:27. > :41:31.which is the borough with the biggest black

:41:32. > :41:33.population in the country. She's also the vice-chair

:41:34. > :41:35.on the government mental They are going into the system

:41:36. > :41:39.in the most coercive way, and then, what is the sort of stories that

:41:40. > :41:41.permeate throughout the community, is that you die if you go

:41:42. > :41:44.into those institutions. It's not that you get

:41:45. > :41:51.recovery, it's that you die. But that leads to black

:41:52. > :41:53.people presenting later? So what we have to do

:41:54. > :41:58.is change that story. We have to change the narrative

:41:59. > :42:05.by actually changing the services. Of course, mental health is not just

:42:06. > :42:08.confined to black people, the experience of mental health

:42:09. > :42:10.can affect anyone. But why do you think black people

:42:11. > :42:22.are so disproportionately affected? What we find is that there's

:42:23. > :42:25.a differential experience. These I might describe as sort

:42:26. > :42:27.of like structural inequalities of where unconscious bias,

:42:28. > :42:29.institutional racism, whatever you are more comfortable

:42:30. > :42:32.with in terms of terminology, which means that decisions that

:42:33. > :42:37.are made throughout these structures, sort of bias

:42:38. > :42:44.the experience of those communities. And that, compounded

:42:45. > :42:49.with its relationship with one sort of multiple characteristics,

:42:50. > :43:02.compounds somebody's experience and makes them more vulnereable

:43:03. > :43:04.to having mental health Just that feature alone,

:43:05. > :43:07.you've got 18-24 year olds, young black men that are not

:43:08. > :43:09.in education, employment or training, 58% not in education,

:43:10. > :43:11.employment or training. It's a kind of indicator

:43:12. > :43:14.that actually if two of the group are experiencing that

:43:15. > :43:17.sort of level of exclusion, then they are seriously vulnerable

:43:18. > :43:26.towards mental health challenges. I mean, you've had Stormzy talking

:43:27. > :43:29.about it quite a lot Lorraine Khan is an associate

:43:30. > :43:38.director at the Centre They've produced a report calling

:43:39. > :43:42.for a radical shift in the way the government deals with black

:43:43. > :43:44.and ethnic minorities I think there is a problem

:43:45. > :43:47.with institutional racism in the way that we take action

:43:48. > :43:50.and try to improve things because this problem doesn't affect

:43:51. > :43:53.the majority of people who live And I think therefore it

:43:54. > :43:56.becomes a minority issue as far as commissioners

:43:57. > :44:04.are concerned as well. We find that there is not

:44:05. > :44:09.the investment in research to try and improve the programmes that

:44:10. > :44:11.young men and women say that they want because equally

:44:12. > :44:16.there's not that investment, it's not considered the priority,

:44:17. > :44:18.and the priority tends to be, all the services tend to be geared

:44:19. > :44:21.towards white people. You know, the impact

:44:22. > :44:22.of day-to-day experiences of discrimination and racism,

:44:23. > :44:24.what they call micro-aggressions in research, you know,

:44:25. > :44:28.what that means is, if you go into a shop you are followed around

:44:29. > :44:31.because somebody thinks you are going to be taking

:44:32. > :44:33.something, or you are seen It's that experience that we know

:44:34. > :44:45.from research has a wear and tear effect on young men

:44:46. > :44:53.on a day-to-day basis. And their stress levels

:44:54. > :44:55.we know are kind of elevated as a result

:44:56. > :44:56.of that And it's a bit like

:44:57. > :45:01.over-revving a car engine. After a while you have

:45:02. > :45:06.a kind of burn-out. And what we know happens

:45:07. > :45:09.is in their mid-20s to early 30s is this sort of greater sudden

:45:10. > :45:11.presentation with crisis difficulties in terms

:45:12. > :45:38.of mental health. The NHS's most recent national

:45:39. > :45:55.survey on adult mental health found that black people with mental health

:45:56. > :45:57.symptoms were less likely to be recognised

:45:58. > :45:59.by mental health services. Maitreya is a singer-songwriter

:46:00. > :46:01.who has battled with mental health problems caused by a physical

:46:02. > :46:03.condition she has. She has been sectioned twice

:46:04. > :46:06.in the past few weeks and was diagnosed with psychosis,

:46:07. > :46:08.something she denies. She told me that last year,

:46:09. > :46:10.when she really needed help, she found it difficult to access

:46:11. > :46:13.mental health care from the NHS. I found it very difficult

:46:14. > :46:15.because I was actually trying to tell them,

:46:16. > :46:17.I feel very much How did you try, did

:46:18. > :46:21.you go to the GP? But it's like, in trying to call out

:46:22. > :46:32.for help, it's like, they didn't see it as a serious kind

:46:33. > :46:35.of thing at a time. And it's like, how do you not

:46:36. > :46:42.see that as serious? And it did kind of make me feel,

:46:43. > :46:47.because it's like, OK, what does it actually takes to get

:46:48. > :46:50.the help you need? Do you think the experience

:46:51. > :46:58.you went through contributed I do, because I still

:46:59. > :47:03.don't feel like I've got But it's made me just

:47:04. > :47:10.lose trust in the mental health service because,

:47:11. > :47:13.like I said, when I needed Now I've gone through a whole

:47:14. > :47:19.process of being sectioned, and I need more help to deal

:47:20. > :47:22.with the trauma that I've just gone through but I'm

:47:23. > :47:24.scared because I'm like, If they haven't really helped me,

:47:25. > :47:39.like happened to this point? When she was detained,

:47:40. > :47:40.she rejected medication. I felt like personally, I did not

:47:41. > :47:44.need the medication they were trying How I was dealing with

:47:45. > :47:48.it was kind of being more creative, going and singing,

:47:49. > :47:50.doing all the dances and stuff like That's something that helps

:47:51. > :48:02.to kind of keep me up. But because I wasn't

:48:03. > :48:10.kind of going down the traditional kind of road, I felt

:48:11. > :48:18.people were just like, what's wrong And I was like, there's nothing

:48:19. > :48:22.wrong with me, I'm just trying to help myself

:48:23. > :48:24.in a very chaotic situation. I didn't get to speak

:48:25. > :48:27.with professionals or doctors as much as I wanted because it is still

:48:28. > :48:30.fresh, a lot of questions, and trying to understand what's happened

:48:31. > :48:32.and what is happening currently. And I saw the doctor

:48:33. > :48:35.on day 21 of the 28 days. And there was no talking,

:48:36. > :48:38.no necessarily therapy, real talking so I'm like, why was it not possible

:48:39. > :48:41.to speak with somebody about what had been happening to me,

:48:42. > :48:44.trying to make sense of that? And so the first port

:48:45. > :48:46.of call was the drugs, And I think in terms of your voice

:48:47. > :48:50.being heard, almost the same way as it was in the police

:48:51. > :49:01.cell, falling on deaf ears. David Bradley is

:49:02. > :49:03.a chief executive of He believes more needs to be done

:49:04. > :49:08.to ensure people are given options The first thing we've

:49:09. > :49:14.got to do is make sure talking therapies are more available

:49:15. > :49:16.to people so that people can refer themselves in, they can call,

:49:17. > :49:19.get appointments before they are admitted to hospital so this

:49:20. > :49:38.is just in daily life. We are doing work around that,

:49:39. > :49:40.to make sure people can access that but again providing

:49:41. > :49:42.talking therapies in churches, community centres and working

:49:43. > :49:45.with local groups to provide that out-of-hospital but

:49:46. > :49:46.in normal settings. The second bit is about

:49:47. > :49:48.when people are admitted. If they are in hospital,

:49:49. > :49:50.they need to get We have been looking at how

:49:51. > :49:55.to improve that, make sure people do not feel that the only thing

:49:56. > :50:00.they've got is medication. Medication is sometimes good

:50:01. > :50:02.for people, it plays a role, it can be incredibly

:50:03. > :50:04.helpful for people, So as well as black people being

:50:05. > :50:10.more likely to be sectioned than white people, experts say that

:50:11. > :50:13.in mental health services they are also more likely

:50:14. > :50:21.to be given medication. I asked Donald Massey,

:50:22. > :50:23.a psychiatric doctor, with the perception that black

:50:24. > :50:27.people were more dangerous than There is a problem in perceived

:50:28. > :50:30.dangerousness, say, of a petite 50-year-old

:50:31. > :50:42.white lady on the ward with a serious mental illness,

:50:43. > :50:46.and a 6-foot something big black guy with the same mental illness,

:50:47. > :50:52.and both may be calm and may have episodes of irritability

:50:53. > :50:54.or frustration and aggression because they are distressed

:50:55. > :51:00.from the mental illness. But people are more likely to think

:51:01. > :51:04.the black guy is going to do something, is going to hurt them,

:51:05. > :51:07.essentially because there is a cultural idea of black people

:51:08. > :51:14.being the aggressors. So then does the NHS have a problem

:51:15. > :51:17.with perceiving black My impression is that things

:51:18. > :51:26.are much better than We have a better understanding

:51:27. > :51:32.of how different people present and as we try to look

:51:33. > :51:35.at people as individuals, they are less likely to be treated as

:51:36. > :51:38.different, but people have their own And while the NHS needs to address

:51:39. > :51:43.it, I think it's much more than a health service issue,

:51:44. > :51:57.it is a cultural issue. Do you think that you were treated

:51:58. > :51:59.differently because Yeah, the way aggression

:52:00. > :52:04.is perceived, there could be a subconscious bias acting

:52:05. > :52:09.in the professionals. Racial bias, whether conscious

:52:10. > :52:17.or unconscious, is something that could have been a factor

:52:18. > :52:21.in the way I was perceived. When I think about some of that,

:52:22. > :52:24.and some of the other people that I saw in the ward,

:52:25. > :52:27.I look back, I'm like, you know what, what that

:52:28. > :52:30.person was doing, that was definitely more aggressive than me,

:52:31. > :52:36.in terms of what was happening. They didn't come into

:52:37. > :52:45.intensive care, and even some of the people that I met

:52:46. > :52:49.inside the intensive care unit, it's very, what's the word, diverse,

:52:50. > :52:52.if we are going to use it in those terms, terms

:52:53. > :52:53.of the demographics. How race impacts your mental

:52:54. > :53:12.health experience, the way you go through the system,

:53:13. > :53:15.how painful a process it is, I think there's definitely more

:53:16. > :53:17.that needs to be done. The whole Mental

:53:18. > :53:20.Health Act, which was written 24 years ago,

:53:21. > :53:25.and so much has happened since then. And I think it's something

:53:26. > :53:27.that needs to be redone. The majority of the system is set

:53:28. > :53:33.up for white people. You can't make a claim

:53:34. > :53:35.that the system is, you know, when they come from black

:53:36. > :53:43.and minority communities, especially African and Caribbean communities,

:53:44. > :53:49.when the evidence does not say that. We can't keep talking about this

:53:50. > :53:55.and not doing anything about it. The same problems

:53:56. > :53:58.from 25 years ago, how do we tackle those same problems,

:53:59. > :54:01.instead of doing more research because the issues are the same,

:54:02. > :54:04.also it's a case of who is willing, who is serious about this issue

:54:05. > :54:09.to actually get it done? Because if the will was

:54:10. > :54:11.there to actually solve More on this later in the programme

:54:12. > :54:25.- really keen to hear from you if you're black and have

:54:26. > :54:27.experiences of the mental Three quarters of graduates will

:54:28. > :54:37.neve repay their student loans - with the poorest facing

:54:38. > :54:40.the biggest debt. That's according to comprehensive

:54:41. > :54:42.analysis from the Institute It estimates that students

:54:43. > :54:45.in England will graduate with average debts of ?50,800,

:54:46. > :55:10.after interest rates are raised let's speak to some students. J

:55:11. > :55:16.Simpson, just arrived. 24. Graduated from the University of East London

:55:17. > :55:19.in 2014 with ?28,000 debt. In Salford is Luke Dicks, 21,

:55:20. > :55:25.second-year physics student at Manchester Uni. In Birmingham we

:55:26. > :55:32.have a former Cambridge graduate, vice president of the National

:55:33. > :55:38.students union. Jade menu left uni in 2014, how much debt have you got?

:55:39. > :55:44.Roughly 20 8000. What about yourself? About 30,000, although I

:55:45. > :55:52.don't like thinking about it. What will yours be? I should imagine

:55:53. > :56:02.about 50 5000. How do you deal with the ?28,000 debt? Mentally I put it

:56:03. > :56:06.to one side. In terms of my salary, that coming out, that is where it is

:56:07. > :56:11.quite a lot of money where I could be saving for a house. Do you mind

:56:12. > :56:20.me asking what you pay back each month? Roughly about ?58. Not for

:56:21. > :56:27.hire, but with travel and rent in London, it is quite a lot taken to

:56:28. > :56:36.my salary. That is what you spent on education? I definitely think it is

:56:37. > :56:39.worth it. In terms, I'm glad I did not come in at the higher fees, I

:56:40. > :56:47.don't know whether my decision would have been affected. Luke, when you

:56:48. > :56:53.start repaying this, when you reach the current fresh older 21,000, that

:56:54. > :56:58.may change as the years go by. How will you approach it? I'm not going

:56:59. > :57:05.to worry about it. It is more like tax. Comes out from your employer 's

:57:06. > :57:09.contributions to your salary. I don't think it will affect me day

:57:10. > :57:14.today. You will always have that debt. Not like new debt you have to

:57:15. > :57:17.worry about paying for stuff comes out of your wages every month,

:57:18. > :57:23.exactly the same, depending on what you own. I will be in this situation

:57:24. > :57:26.probably because I want to physics research where I will not earn

:57:27. > :57:32.enough to pay it off. They will still not bother me. After 30 years

:57:33. > :57:39.she had not paid the whole thing back, gets written. The filters the

:57:40. > :57:44.right thing that you are paying it compared to general taxpayers? I

:57:45. > :57:46.have a brother doing an apprenticeship in general

:57:47. > :57:50.engineering. I don't think it is fair for him, or someone like my

:57:51. > :57:54.parents, or someone who did not go to university to pay for my

:57:55. > :58:02.privilege of having a top-quality, world-class education. Do you agree

:58:03. > :58:09.with the universities minister, Jo Johnson, effectively this student

:58:10. > :58:13.finance system is removing barriers, so people from disadvantaged

:58:14. > :58:17.backgrounds can go to university? I completely disagree. As the research

:58:18. > :58:23.came out today, those from disadvantaged backgrounds enter

:58:24. > :58:28.worse off, leaving university with 57,000, over ?57,000 of debt. Comes

:58:29. > :58:34.back to the central point, how we look at higher education, is it

:58:35. > :58:39.essential for society to have doctors, engineers, historians, all

:58:40. > :58:42.contributing to society. Should not be seen as something individual

:58:43. > :58:49.gets. The public should be investing in students so they can invest back

:58:50. > :58:53.into society. It is not a luxury, not a business. This is society

:58:54. > :58:57.deciding as a whole to make an investment into young people say

:58:58. > :59:03.that we can return the investment back into society. Why is it that

:59:04. > :59:09.the numbers of 18-year-olds from the most disadvantaged areas is going up

:59:10. > :59:13.when it comes to university? 12.2% of 18-year-olds from the most

:59:14. > :59:25.disadvantaged areas apply to university. In 2010 up to 18%. In

:59:26. > :59:28.2017 it is up to 22%. Well more and more young people are going to

:59:29. > :59:32.universities because they see the opportunities this I am delighted

:59:33. > :59:38.about that. They're not been put off by the loan system? What I would

:59:39. > :59:43.say, research said they are more likely to drop out. They are

:59:44. > :59:48.receiving higher debts. Dropout could be for a number of reasons. I

:59:49. > :59:54.is saying this because of the debt? There are whole range of reasons why

:59:55. > :59:58.they be. We have to look at whether they can make ends meet wealthier at

:59:59. > :00:03.university. Because of the move from France to loans we know that student

:00:04. > :00:07.finance is a major issue when we speak to students on the reference

:00:08. > :00:12.when I'm talking to students on the ground they see this as an unfair

:00:13. > :00:16.intergenerational inequality. Lectured by individuals who had a

:00:17. > :00:21.free education themselves. Using that education in public service. In

:00:22. > :00:25.other walks of life. They are telling us that we now have a fairer

:00:26. > :00:30.system because we're now in ?57,000 of debt. Viewers around the country

:00:31. > :00:34.will understand it is very difficult argument to make. One which will

:00:35. > :00:38.consistently hurt the government of the ballot box if they do not engage

:00:39. > :00:43.in conversation. Thank you that is the vice president of the National

:00:44. > :00:49.Union of Students. Luke Dicks, second-year physics student at

:00:50. > :00:52.Manchester University. The latest news and sport in just a moment.

:00:53. > :00:59.Before that there is the weather. Simon good morning.

:01:00. > :01:04.It will turn pretty hot in the southern part of England, lots of

:01:05. > :01:08.sunshine here this morning but you notice from the recent satellite

:01:09. > :01:12.picture that more cloud in southern Scotland and across Northern Ireland

:01:13. > :01:15.as well. Most of that cloud will tend to fizzle away about in

:01:16. > :01:20.south-east Scotland, the far north-east of England, it will stay

:01:21. > :01:26.quite grave. Elsewhere, sunny spells. Look at those temperatures

:01:27. > :01:31.across the South, 26 to 29 Celsius. A bit fresher further north and

:01:32. > :01:36.west, 14 to 17. They will be a warm end to the day, fairly uncomfortable

:01:37. > :01:39.for some to sleep in the south-east. Tomorrow morning we are looking at

:01:40. > :01:43.some really big thunderstorms developing from the South, the

:01:44. > :01:47.Midlands, East Anglia and the Sutherland on. A fuse thunderstorms

:01:48. > :01:51.developing across northern parts of England but some sunny spells in

:01:52. > :01:59.between, and they will be hit and miss, those showers. Another hot and

:02:00. > :02:01.humid day across England and Wales. A bit more cloud around and some

:02:02. > :02:11.rain in the far north-west. Goodbye. It is Wednesday, ten o'clock, I am

:02:12. > :02:15.Victoria Derbyshire. A task force will be sent in to take over parts

:02:16. > :02:22.of Kensington and Chelsea council in the wake of the Grenfell Tower fire.

:02:23. > :02:25.It comes as new figures show only 14 families have accepted the temporary

:02:26. > :02:26.accommodation they have been offered. Most are still living in

:02:27. > :02:30.hotel rooms. It is, I lost flat,

:02:31. > :02:33.I lost five members of my I've nothing to lose

:02:34. > :02:36.so I'm staying there. We'll speak to one resident,

:02:37. > :02:43.who says people aren't being offered Also on the programme,

:02:44. > :02:54.we'll hear from the sisters of a disabled man who was beaten

:02:55. > :02:57.to death by his neighbour after making 85 calls to the police

:02:58. > :03:03.to report harassment. Reading that report and just coming

:03:04. > :03:06.to terms with what happened A report by the Independent Police

:03:07. > :03:14.Complaints Commission says Bijan Ebrahimi was failed

:03:15. > :03:16.by the police over And we'll speak to a woman

:03:17. > :03:25.who was stabbed and left for dead She had reported him

:03:26. > :03:38.to police 125 times. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:03:39. > :03:42.with a summary of today's news. Victims of harassment and stalking

:03:43. > :03:45.in England and Wales are being left at risk because of failings

:03:46. > :03:47.by police and prosecutors, Two watchdogs found that crimes

:03:48. > :03:53.weren't being recorded, investigations were poorly conducted

:03:54. > :03:59.and legal protection wasn't They examined 112 cases in detail

:04:00. > :04:07.and concluded that none had Officers and prosecutors

:04:08. > :04:12.were identifying cases in isolation, whereas by its very nature,

:04:13. > :04:14.both stalking and harassment occurs as a result of really pernicious

:04:15. > :04:16.and persistent offending. And officers and prosecutors

:04:17. > :04:19.were missing that, which meant that And at just after half

:04:20. > :04:33.past ten this morning, we'll be hearing more

:04:34. > :04:36.from Wendy Williams and from a woman who was attacked and left

:04:37. > :04:39.for dead by her stalker. The majority of survivors

:04:40. > :04:40.of the Grenfell Tower fire remain in hotels,

:04:41. > :04:42.despite today's deadline - set by the Prime Minister -

:04:43. > :04:45.for everybody affected to be found So far, 139 offers of accomodation

:04:46. > :04:51.have been made, but only 14 Meanwhile survivors have

:04:52. > :04:54.expressed their frustration with a lack of information

:04:55. > :04:56.during a meeting with the police A senior officer was asked why

:04:57. > :05:00.there haven't been any arrests, while the coroner reportedly

:05:01. > :05:02.described the scene inside Cherboonee Salah lived on the ninth

:05:03. > :05:07.floor of Grenfell Tower They're currently staying in a hotel

:05:08. > :05:14.and he told Victoria why he had refused temporary offers

:05:15. > :05:15.of accommodation. I'm already in temporary

:05:16. > :05:22.accommodation. What is it like living

:05:23. > :05:29.in the hotel with your family? I'm stuck in the four

:05:30. > :05:50.corners of the hotel. Avon and Somerset Police have

:05:51. > :05:52.admitted they repeatedly "failed" a disabled refugee who was beaten

:05:53. > :05:55.to death in Bristol four years ago. A report by the police watchdog says

:05:56. > :05:58.officers responded poorly The force says it's made changes

:05:59. > :06:09.and has apologised to his family. If you are getting in touch, you are

:06:10. > :06:10.very welcome as always. Message as on Twitter.

:06:11. > :06:17.Andy Murray takes on Germany's Dustin Brown

:06:18. > :06:20.at Wimbledon this afternoon - and Brown is one of tennis's

:06:21. > :06:29.He used to sleep in a campervan, hasn't cut his dreadlocked hair

:06:30. > :06:33.is known as the Germaican back home in Germany, and is a really

:06:34. > :06:36.In yesterday's action, there was a bit of controversy

:06:37. > :06:38.about players pulling out of their first-round matches

:06:39. > :06:40.and the fact they earn ?35,000 even if they're injured.

:06:41. > :06:43.Martin Klizan played for only 40 minutes against Novak Djokovic

:06:44. > :06:46.And Roger Federer's match didn't last much longer either,

:06:47. > :06:49.as Alexander Dolgopolov was forced off with an ankle injury.

:06:50. > :07:06.Federer and Djokovic believe it could be time to change the rules.

:07:07. > :07:12.The question is always sure they have started the match at all, and

:07:13. > :07:18.that only the player can answer, really, in my opinion, and you hope

:07:19. > :07:23.that they would give up their spot for somebody else. Wimbledon has

:07:24. > :07:27.probably been the strongest of any other tournament, especially if you

:07:28. > :07:30.walk out in the centre court, there is a responsibility. I am sure they

:07:31. > :07:32.tried their best but it is what it is.

:07:33. > :07:34.Well, that wasn't the only point of controversy yesterday,

:07:35. > :07:37.as Australian Bernard Tomic said he lacked motivation and was "bored"

:07:38. > :07:39.during his straight-sets defeat to Mischa Zverev.

:07:40. > :07:43.Tomic, who was world number 17 only last year,

:07:44. > :07:47.and also admitted to using a medical time-out to slow down the match,

:07:48. > :07:57.Didn't slow it down that much, did he, only one hour 17 minutes.

:07:58. > :07:59.There was better news for Briton's Kyle Edmund, though.

:08:00. > :08:02.He'd lost in the first round for the last four years,

:08:03. > :08:04.but is into round two after beating fellow Brit Alex Ward,

:08:05. > :08:07.who's ranked 869th in the world after a series of injuries.

:08:08. > :08:09.And the women's world number one Angelique Kerber is also

:08:10. > :08:10.through, after beating Irina Falconi.

:08:11. > :08:14.recently, but said memories of last year's final

:08:15. > :08:20.against Serena Williams motivated her.

:08:21. > :08:23.Away from the tennis, Mark Cavendish is out

:08:24. > :08:25.of the Tour de France, because of a crash at the end

:08:26. > :08:31.World champion Peter Sagan was disqualified for elbowing

:08:32. > :08:35.Cavendish, although his team have appealed against the decision.

:08:36. > :08:42.The Briton broke his shoulder and needed stitches in his hand.

:08:43. > :08:44.Rangers are recovering this morning from perhaps the worst

:08:45. > :08:48.They were knocked out of the Europa League by a part-time

:08:49. > :08:49.team from Luxembourg, losing 2-0 last night,

:08:50. > :08:57.Rangers manager Pedro Caixinha has said he "assumes

:08:58. > :09:09.That is also sport for now. Coming up to ten past ten.

:09:10. > :09:11.It's three weeks since the fire at Grenfell Tower

:09:12. > :09:14.in North Kensington, which killed at least 80 people and left

:09:15. > :09:18.On this programme exactly a week ago, the Housing Minister made it

:09:19. > :09:21.very clear that temporary homes would be offered to everyone

:09:22. > :09:26.Today, we're back here in North Kensington to catch up

:09:27. > :09:28.with some of those we first met on that Wednesday

:09:29. > :09:32.to bring you more remarkable stories of those who escaped, and to find

:09:33. > :09:53.We're constantly expected to chase things, go here, phone this,

:09:54. > :09:58.It's no surprise to me at all that you have an empty chair there.

:09:59. > :10:00.Having worked on the council for 11 years, the depth of incompetence

:10:01. > :10:04.You'll notice that we've a couple of chairs here now, empty chairs.

:10:05. > :10:06.This is a photograph of the leader of Kensington

:10:07. > :10:12.and Chelsea Borough Council, that's Nick Paget-Brown.

:10:13. > :10:17.So I'm asking you respectfully, check your moral compass.

:10:18. > :10:32.Then you will gain the respect and understanding of these people.

:10:33. > :10:38.What I need to know, people are struggling

:10:39. > :10:50.And the problem that we have is that we now know there is a price

:10:51. > :10:54.The housing minister, I'm told, is here.

:10:55. > :10:57.His name is Alok Sharma and he has agreed to be with us today

:10:58. > :11:02.So I know you have questions for him.

:11:03. > :11:10.Thank you very much for giving us your time today.

:11:11. > :11:13.Why is it OK that there are thousands of empty

:11:14. > :11:16.homes right in this area, and these people are homeless?

:11:17. > :11:28.Olu does not want temporary accommodation, he wants

:11:29. > :11:30.permanent accommodation, he wants good permanent

:11:31. > :11:45.You created it to save money, to keep money in your pocket,

:11:46. > :11:56.Can you please be specific as to what package you are offering

:11:57. > :11:58.in terms of housing or rehousing the residents back

:11:59. > :12:02.And be specific, please, without the flowery words.

:12:03. > :12:10.Let the minister speak, hear what he is committing to.

:12:11. > :12:13.Please let us know what your commitment is.

:12:14. > :12:16.So what we've committed to is, is anyone whose home has been

:12:17. > :12:21.destroyed, will be housed by next Wednesday in, good accommodation,

:12:22. > :12:23.and then we will work with, and in housing

:12:24. > :12:30.So what we are not going to do is, you are offered a home,

:12:31. > :12:33.you don't like it and you're still asked to go in,

:12:34. > :12:47.Well, of 158 families affected, 139 have been offered temporary homes

:12:48. > :12:49.but only 14 have accepted, with most others still

:12:50. > :12:53.A leaked government letter seen by this programme suggests some

:12:54. > :12:56.are worried that if they take up the offer, it might jeopardise their

:12:57. > :13:08.chances of getting a new luxury flat in the heart of Kensington.

:13:09. > :13:15.We have also learned today that a task force will be sent in to take

:13:16. > :13:18.over parts of Chelsea and Kensington council in the wake of the fire.

:13:19. > :13:21.We can speak to Eleanor Kelly from the Governmetn's

:13:22. > :13:25.Grenfell Response Team, which was set up to coordinate relief efforts.

:13:26. > :13:33.In a moment we will also talk to the Conservative MP Kevin Hollinrake

:13:34. > :13:38.who's on the communities and government select committee until

:13:39. > :13:44.recently. Shelter have over 20 people on the ground Trent help

:13:45. > :13:48.people with accommodation and a resident who fled the 15th floor of

:13:49. > :13:54.the tower block for his wife and Rob Walter. Sid was on our programme a

:13:55. > :13:58.week ago -- his wife and daughter. First Eleanor Kelly from the

:13:59. > :14:03.Grenfell response team. What do you think of the fact that only 14 of

:14:04. > :14:07.the families have accepted the offer is of temporary accommodation? I am

:14:08. > :14:11.not surprised at all because the vast majority of the families are

:14:12. > :14:15.simply not ready to make what they see as long-term decisions about

:14:16. > :14:20.where their families should go. They are also in a position where they

:14:21. > :14:24.are seriously considering they should stay where they are in order

:14:25. > :14:29.to make one move into permanent accommodation. You have to realise

:14:30. > :14:34.the impact on this families, the trauma they have been through, and

:14:35. > :14:39.the fact that they do need to sort of like take a step back and takes

:14:40. > :14:45.time to decide what would be the right move for them. We spoke to one

:14:46. > :14:49.dad earlier who described his hotel room as hell because of the size of

:14:50. > :14:52.it, and there are four in there, and he said he would rather stay in hell

:14:53. > :14:58.for months and wait for something permanent to be offered than move

:14:59. > :15:02.into temporary accommodation now and have to move again potentially into

:15:03. > :15:07.permanent accommodation. I think you have to appreciate how people feel

:15:08. > :15:13.who have lost everything. Sitting down and moving somewhere else

:15:14. > :15:17.temporarily will, that is something they don't want to put their family

:15:18. > :15:21.through. So you can understand why someone would want to stay in hotel

:15:22. > :15:26.accommodation and only make that one permanent move. The first set of 68

:15:27. > :15:30.permanent properties in Kensington will come on stream at the end of

:15:31. > :15:35.this month. The council and the government and the multi-agency

:15:36. > :15:38.teams are working very hard on identifying the next set of

:15:39. > :15:48.permanent Kensington and Chelsea homes because most people want to be

:15:49. > :15:53.in Kensington and Chelsea. with those of the new-build flats. 68

:15:54. > :15:58.come on stream at the end of the month. Can a family moving? The

:15:59. > :16:05.allocations policy has been agreed and independently verified. We will

:16:06. > :16:10.work our way through which of the 158 families and households are best

:16:11. > :16:16.matched in terms of their housing needs to those properties. Are you

:16:17. > :16:22.saying people will be able to move in at the beginning of the month?

:16:23. > :16:29.Properties are due to be available to occupy at the end of the month.

:16:30. > :16:33.Once the 68 families are allocated to those 60 properties, people are

:16:34. > :16:37.working inside the council, the garment and the response team to

:16:38. > :16:45.identify further flats like that that can come on stream. Other

:16:46. > :16:53.properties under construction. Under construction? 68 properties under

:16:54. > :16:58.construction. Those are virtually completed. We have identified just

:16:59. > :17:04.under 100 vacant properties in Kensington and Chelsea offered to

:17:05. > :17:09.the families. On the basis of either temporary, or most cases permanent

:17:10. > :17:16.occupation. Many of the 14 have accepted the temporary move will be

:17:17. > :17:21.considered: whether the properties they are accepted are acceptable for

:17:22. > :17:26.them for permanent positions this once the 68 have been allocated,

:17:27. > :17:30.that leaves dozens of families awaiting permanent accommodation.

:17:31. > :17:35.How many months might they be living in hotel rooms? Until the permanent

:17:36. > :17:41.housing is offered? The issue as to how long it takes relies on each

:17:42. > :17:45.individual family, circumstances, views and feelings in relation to

:17:46. > :17:48.where they want and need to what sort of accommodation they are

:17:49. > :17:53.prepared to accept. How they feel about different types of

:17:54. > :17:58.accommodation. You know the majority want to be in the same borough.

:17:59. > :18:02.There are much more complete case of factors, some people think they want

:18:03. > :18:06.to be in a particular location: Katie C property and application

:18:07. > :18:11.deciding they don't want to be there at all. It is about how they feel,

:18:12. > :18:15.particularly when they can view the properties we know that the vast

:18:16. > :18:19.majority of families want to be in Kensington and Chelsea. Many of the

:18:20. > :18:24.properties we are showing them as temporary accommodation in

:18:25. > :18:28.Westminster are rejected unseen. That is because location is

:18:29. > :18:32.extremely important to people. He comes down to choice, and each of

:18:33. > :18:35.these families needs to be supportive in making the choice as

:18:36. > :18:42.to where they will make their permanent accommodation. He could be

:18:43. > :18:45.months? Pic of the manse, and that of individual choice for each family

:18:46. > :18:48.whether to stay in hotel accommodation or make the temporary

:18:49. > :18:53.move. The temporary accommodation offices high quality and matched to

:18:54. > :18:56.their housing needs. Thank you for talking to us to do. Joint leader of

:18:57. > :19:26.the Grenfell Tower response team. I had taken can hear me OK. Explain

:19:27. > :19:41.to our audience what you had been offered, and what you have decided

:19:42. > :19:47.to do about that. We were offered something close to Edgware road. In

:19:48. > :19:53.the Westminster father. He was not compatible regarding my housing

:19:54. > :19:56.assessment. I think personally people feeling that the housing

:19:57. > :20:03.assessment applications, they have been taking so long. Offering

:20:04. > :20:10.houses, we all know we aren't difficult situation. They say they

:20:11. > :20:16.are giving houses suitable for the family. The action on the ground is

:20:17. > :20:22.not matching. The procedure, this is my argument. Why are you not

:20:23. > :20:28.following the procedure which has been taken with the family. The

:20:29. > :20:30.application assessment from the housing assessment, taking

:20:31. > :20:37.personally with me. My family need. And demand, we are entitled to that.

:20:38. > :20:41.This is what we are asking for. Why they are offering me something not

:20:42. > :20:54.suitable for me and my family? This is the problem. Offered to the other

:20:55. > :21:04.family. Why have a offering people, something which is not suitable for

:21:05. > :21:08.disabled person, why? Can I ask how long you are prepared to live in a

:21:09. > :21:17.hotel room with your wife and daughter until permanent suitable

:21:18. > :21:24.permanent accommodation is offered? I will not. I will not go to

:21:25. > :21:29.temporary housing for other not accept temporary housing. You are

:21:30. > :21:36.prepared to live in that hotel as long as it takes? To be honest with

:21:37. > :21:42.you, personally with my family, we're not going nowhere. The BBC has

:21:43. > :21:46.spoken to your daughter. We will play a clip of that. What she says

:21:47. > :21:48.about housing. I have nightmares about, if it

:21:49. > :21:51.happens again, if I wake up and Most of the people in my building,

:21:52. > :21:56.they were very close to me and And seeing them go wasn't...

:21:57. > :22:30.wasn't good. I want to ask if your daughter,

:22:31. > :22:43.wife, happy being offered counselling? No. You have not? We

:22:44. > :22:51.have been asked you need to need to talk to someone. Which kind of

:22:52. > :22:58.question you give to people like that in this situation. Which kind

:22:59. > :23:02.of question are you giving that? Asking people, do you need to talk

:23:03. > :23:08.to someone? Lycoming afar, having some drinks. I am crying about my

:23:09. > :23:18.disaster, do you need to talk to someone? What is going on Christmas?

:23:19. > :23:20.disaster, do you need to talk to someone? What is going on They need

:23:21. > :23:26.to send people from the hotel to check on people. Any of the leaders

:23:27. > :23:32.visiting the family? No one. Everyone is busy with the money, the

:23:33. > :23:41.housing. What is going on Christmas where is the humanity and heart. Do

:23:42. > :23:46.you need to talk to someone? That kind of question is not acceptable

:23:47. > :23:51.at all. You need to go to the hotel, approach these people kindly,

:23:52. > :24:00.sensitively. Open your arms, hugged him, I'm here for you. Find a cure,

:24:01. > :24:06.supportive. Not asking them on the street, do you need to talk to

:24:07. > :24:09.someone, darling? What is going on Christmas what kind of housing

:24:10. > :24:16.assessment are they taking. I am sorry. Thank you very much for your

:24:17. > :24:26.time, said. We will keep following the story. --

:24:27. > :24:45.I bring in a government MP. A deep of the mistrust and resentment among

:24:46. > :24:49.survivors, despite what has happened amongst the Grenfell Tower response

:24:50. > :24:54.team. Definitely, I visited some of the local residents in their homes.

:24:55. > :24:59.I quite understand the situation. We can never totally put ourselves in

:25:00. > :25:03.the place of these people, what has happened to them. I can understand

:25:04. > :25:07.the lack of trust, there are competing pressures, wanting to act

:25:08. > :25:09.quickly, wanting to work with the residents to make sure we fully

:25:10. > :25:15.understand what they are going through. What they have is their

:25:16. > :25:18.needs, the ability to be involved in the process. So we can help them to

:25:19. > :25:23.make the right choices. Should be about their choice, not what we want

:25:24. > :25:32.to impose on everybody. We have to make sure we bring the people of

:25:33. > :25:40.Grenfell Tower with us. Very disappointing that the assessments

:25:41. > :25:45.are correct. That is supported not fancy. We need a new heaven and

:25:46. > :25:47.earth to make sure the support is there. You will know Versace jacket,

:25:48. > :25:51.the Communities Secretary is bringing in XML task force to take

:25:52. > :25:56.over parts of the running of Kensington and Chelsea Council. Is

:25:57. > :26:00.that the same is outside commissioners, which is what the

:26:01. > :26:04.Labour London mayor was calling for. Not quite the same, but we

:26:05. > :26:09.understand this is a national disaster and needs a national

:26:10. > :26:13.response. We need to bring whatever support we can in. Expertise in

:26:14. > :26:17.counselling from disaster response. In terms of relocation, helping

:26:18. > :26:29.people to be relocated in suitable accommodation. They should not be

:26:30. > :26:34.about money, it should be about them finding suitable accommodation that

:26:35. > :26:37.is permanent. You have representatives on the ground what

:26:38. > :26:42.are you hearing? We cannot underestimate how much trust is

:26:43. > :26:48.broken down, how much confusion that is. All the decisions people are

:26:49. > :26:51.making out because of the backdrop. One of the reasons people have not

:26:52. > :26:56.accepted offers, partly because they're not suitable. People being

:26:57. > :27:00.offered accommodation out of the area, without adequate washing

:27:01. > :27:05.facilities. Big issues about people not feeling safe for obvious and

:27:06. > :27:10.understandable reasons. Issues about it not been suitable. There is also

:27:11. > :27:13.a level of mistrust, since Day one people have a completely

:27:14. > :27:17.understandable fear they will be out of sight and out of mind, people do

:27:18. > :27:21.not believe that if they accept temporary accommodation the council

:27:22. > :27:26.will remember them and give them permanent social housing. Which is

:27:27. > :27:31.what people need in order to rebuild their lives. What we're heard from

:27:32. > :27:36.the task force, they are trying to do this in a sympathetic way, to

:27:37. > :27:41.listen to people? Needs. We are finding that people are still not

:27:42. > :27:46.ready to engage reverse. They are grieving, burying relatives, dealing

:27:47. > :27:50.with the trauma. Within that context, asking people to date, can

:27:51. > :27:55.you move house? Difficult in normal times. When you consider the depth

:27:56. > :27:59.of the trauma some of them are experiencing. Still seeing people

:28:00. > :28:07.who cannot talk, asking them to make big decisions. We need to Macca

:28:08. > :28:11.ambitions, to be resolute about the need to rehouse people permanently,

:28:12. > :28:12.well and quickly. We need to be absolutely sensitive to people's own

:28:13. > :28:22.needs. Still to come in the last half-hour,

:28:23. > :28:25.stabbed and left for dead, we hear from a woman attacked by a stalker

:28:26. > :28:29.she had repeatedly reported to the police.

:28:30. > :28:33.A disabled man who was beaten to death by his neighbour in Bristol

:28:34. > :28:36.was failed by police over a six year period - according to a report

:28:37. > :28:38.from the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

:28:39. > :28:40.Bijan Ebrahimi, a refugee born in Iran, made 85

:28:41. > :28:42.calls to the police - the last one an hour

:28:43. > :28:46.An IPCC investigation into his death has found that the Avon

:28:47. > :28:48.and Somerset Constabulary systematically failed to protect him

:28:49. > :28:53.- not recording more than half of the 73 alleged

:28:54. > :28:57.The investigation found that he was disbelieved -

:28:58. > :29:00.considered to be a liar, a nuisance and an attention seeker -

:29:01. > :29:03.that he was often treated as the perpetrator of crimes rather

:29:04. > :29:10.Last night our correspondent Jon Kay spoke to his two sisters -

:29:11. > :29:13.Manisha Moores and Mojgan Khayatian who said

:29:14. > :29:21.that they had to push the IPCC to deepen its investigation.

:29:22. > :29:25.the police, he was thinking it is their duty to care

:29:26. > :29:30.him, so he didn't think it's up to us, or maybe should have let us

:29:31. > :29:36.But by reading this report it just shows what a terrible life he'd

:29:37. > :29:40.I should say that this investigation,

:29:41. > :29:43.it was just down to us pushing the IPCC to go further than just

:29:44. > :29:48.We knew that there was something more that needed to be

:29:49. > :30:02.And it was our push for the IPCC to go through the last few

:30:03. > :30:18.One thing the report makes clear is that even after he had been ignored

:30:19. > :30:21.so many times, he still had faith in the police the trust of the police,

:30:22. > :30:23.write to tell the end, to save him, to help them, and yet that didn't

:30:24. > :30:34.happen. Well, he never gave up. Well he never gave up,

:30:35. > :30:38.he always thought that he is in a country, the police

:30:39. > :30:40.is there to protect people, and he could not see

:30:41. > :30:41.anything beyond that. As you said, how many times

:30:42. > :30:44.they didn't listen to him he always went back to them

:30:45. > :30:46.seeking help from them. And it is so devastating

:30:47. > :30:49.to see how they failed Do you think the report

:30:50. > :30:52.goes far enough? I think the IPCC, as I've

:30:53. > :30:54.mentioned, they've done the entire investigation, and I think

:30:55. > :30:57.the depth of it, it was quite The failure of the agency

:30:58. > :31:00.and police was quite And I would say, the police

:31:01. > :31:04.and the investigation, we are quite And not only that, the points

:31:05. > :31:12.they've taken on board, and the meetings we've got with them, from

:31:13. > :31:16.time to time, it shows they have taken the lessons on board

:31:17. > :31:27.and they are doing something. But we haven't even

:31:28. > :31:29.started with the council. They haven't shown any action or any

:31:30. > :31:32.investigation at all. This is Bristol City

:31:33. > :31:33.Council, you are still waiting for the official report

:31:34. > :31:36.into the handling of Bijan's And we are talking

:31:37. > :31:40.about four years' time. It was July 2013,

:31:41. > :31:42.and we still haven't Two Avon and Somerset Police

:31:43. > :31:51.officers were jailed over their dealings with Mr

:31:52. > :31:53.Ebrahimi. They and two others were also

:31:54. > :31:56.dismissed from the force. Tony Murphy is in Bristol -

:31:57. > :32:06.he's the family solicitor. Why do you think, Mr Murphy, that

:32:07. > :32:14.Bijan Ebrahimi was ignored semitones? The family are -- ignored

:32:15. > :32:17.so many times. The family are clear that what lies at the heart of this

:32:18. > :32:26.is institutional racism, and it has been devastating to read the report,

:32:27. > :32:31.and worse that police actively colluded in that racism by blaming

:32:32. > :32:36.the victim, rather than apprehending the perpetrators over six long

:32:37. > :32:43.years. How shocked by you at the breadth and depth of the failings at

:32:44. > :32:48.every level? Well, the criticisms are unprecedented, in my experience,

:32:49. > :32:51.not least the institutional systemic nature of them, and the

:32:52. > :32:56.institutional racism at the core of it is obviously deeply concerning,

:32:57. > :33:00.across the country. And is the family satisfied with what has

:33:01. > :33:07.happened to the officers concerned, and the changes that the force have

:33:08. > :33:11.made sense? The family feel that the IPCC have done justice to this, and

:33:12. > :33:15.it is important that the Chief Constable has acknowledged the

:33:16. > :33:18.failings and taken responsibility. It is also understood that he is to

:33:19. > :33:23.implement a programme of systemic change. The family's real concern is

:33:24. > :33:30.that the other agency who were responsible for not protecting Bijan

:33:31. > :33:34.during that time, Bristol City Council, have not been brought to

:33:35. > :33:41.justice, and they are calling for the mayor to make a statement

:33:42. > :33:46.accepting responsibility for the council's failing to protect Bijan,

:33:47. > :33:48.and to meet with the family in order to do justice to Bijan and four

:33:49. > :34:12.other families. The housing department and other

:34:13. > :34:14.departments will be run by an outside organisation. Most of the

:34:15. > :34:18.families who lost their homes are still living in hotels, despite

:34:19. > :34:22.government pledges to rehouse them all by today.

:34:23. > :34:25.Victims of harassment and stalking in England and Wales are being left

:34:26. > :34:27.at risk because of failings by police and prosecutors,

:34:28. > :34:30.Two watchdogs found that crimes weren't being recorded,

:34:31. > :34:32.investigations were poorly conducted and legal protection wasn't

:34:33. > :34:40.They examined 112 cases in detail and concluded that none had

:34:41. > :34:59.The report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies says Ms graduates

:35:00. > :35:02.were we paying off student loans into their 50s and three quarters

:35:03. > :35:04.will never clear the debt. The government says those from poorer

:35:05. > :35:12.backgrounds are now going to university at a record rate, up 43%

:35:13. > :35:15.since 2009. Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:35:16. > :35:21.This e-mail from Julie, she was stalked, we will talk about stalking

:35:22. > :35:26.in the next few minutes, she says harassment is never dealt with until

:35:27. > :35:27.something dreadful happens. As already mentioned, individual

:35:28. > :35:32.incidents are dismissed as trivial, yet when the sum of individual

:35:33. > :35:35.incidents are looked at, the massive negative impact on the target is

:35:36. > :35:39.huge, and the risk can be unbearable. I have been stalked by a

:35:40. > :35:44.guy in my gym previously and the police would do nothing. My life was

:35:45. > :35:47.made miserable by him making threats to me on social media and turning up

:35:48. > :35:52.the venues I was at. We will talk more about that and the damning

:35:53. > :35:56.report on the way the police deal with stalking incidents which is out

:35:57. > :36:00.today, in the next few minutes. Here is the sport with Tim.

:36:01. > :36:06.And exciting match on day three at Wimbledon as Andy Murray takes on

:36:07. > :36:10.the unpredictable Dustin Brown of Germany this afternoon. Then

:36:11. > :36:12.yesterday's action, there was a bit of controversy about players pulling

:36:13. > :36:17.out of their first-round matches the fact they earn ?35,000, even if they

:36:18. > :36:20.are injured. Martin Klizan played for only 40 minutes against Novak

:36:21. > :36:26.Djokovic, before retiring with a calf problem. Roger Federer's

:36:27. > :36:30.opponent pulled out as well. Alexandr Dolgopolov retiring with an

:36:31. > :36:34.ankle injury. The seven time champion and Djokovic later said

:36:35. > :36:37.they feel it is time to change the rules and give players who are fully

:36:38. > :36:41.healthy a chance instead. Away from the tennis, Mark Cavendish is out of

:36:42. > :36:44.the Tour de France after a crash at the end of yesterday's for stage.

:36:45. > :36:49.The Briton broke his shoulder and needed stitches after appearing to

:36:50. > :36:52.be although Dubai World Championships aside and, who was

:36:53. > :37:01.subsequently discovered but is appealing that decision.

:37:02. > :37:03.Rangers are recovering this morning from perhaps the worst

:37:04. > :37:06.They were knocked out of the Europa League by a part-time

:37:07. > :37:08.team from Luxembourg, losing 2-0 last night,

:37:09. > :37:11.Rangers manager Pedro Caixinha has said he "assumes

:37:12. > :37:16.Victims of harassment and stalking are being left at risk

:37:17. > :37:18.because of failings by police and prosecutors

:37:19. > :37:22.Reports by the Inspectorate of Constabulary and the Crown

:37:23. > :37:23.Prosecution Service Inspectorate say that too often crimes

:37:24. > :37:25.aren't being reported, too many investigations are poorly

:37:26. > :37:27.run and victims failed to legal protection.

:37:28. > :37:30.112 cases were examined and not a single one was found to have been

:37:31. > :37:33.They found "compelling evidence" police

:37:34. > :37:35.were giving written warnings to offenders rather than carrying

:37:36. > :37:54.She was stabbed and left for dead by her stalker in 2013.

:37:55. > :37:57.Helen had reported the attacker, who was her neighbour,

:37:58. > :38:02.to police 125 times over a period of five years.

:38:03. > :38:04.Wendy Williams is also here - she led the investigation

:38:05. > :38:08.of Constabulary, and Laura Richards is Director of Paladin,

:38:09. > :38:20.Six the National Stalking Advocacy Service.

:38:21. > :38:32.Helen, when you made some of those 125 complaints to the police, what

:38:33. > :38:39.sort of response did you get? I always felt like I wasn't being

:38:40. > :38:47.believed or taken seriously. Everything was very slow, and very

:38:48. > :38:53.reactive, after the event, rather than proactive. If you had a letter

:38:54. > :38:58.it would get sent off finger prints, it would take ages before you heard

:38:59. > :39:00.back and there would be no fingerprints, which obviously there

:39:01. > :39:12.wouldn't be, because he would have worn gloves. And it just felt like

:39:13. > :39:16.it was a constant sort of trip, drip tap, and that the police were not

:39:17. > :39:23.taking it seriously. They literally didn't want to know, that I was a

:39:24. > :39:28.nuisance. What kind of things was your neighbour doing, you mention

:39:29. > :39:39.those letters, what else? It started off lower key things, like gunge up

:39:40. > :39:44.door lock, the letters, phone calls, and then it moved to bricks through

:39:45. > :39:47.your window, car tyres being slashed, following me out where I

:39:48. > :39:52.went, so if I parked my car, went for a little walk, and then I would

:39:53. > :39:59.not be offered to drive my car back home. That is obviously criminal

:40:00. > :40:02.damage. I am not a police officer, slightly more simple to investigate

:40:03. > :40:08.fan who wrote a letter with no finger prints on it, I don't know?

:40:09. > :40:13.Well, it would get crime that, and I remember every time I would going in

:40:14. > :40:19.for a crime, I would say please link this under the master crime di

:40:20. > :40:25.easier though 96672, and they never did. They treated each one as a

:40:26. > :40:29.separate case. And even somewhere, if I was parked, I had been away

:40:30. > :40:33.further from home, they would not even deem it as being linked to the

:40:34. > :40:39.stalking case, because it was so far from home, but of course we knew it

:40:40. > :40:43.was, because after that, for an example, a time when the car window

:40:44. > :40:47.was smashed, out at a place I had been, the sent a letter referring to

:40:48. > :40:58.the place I had been on the date I went taking that walk. I felt like

:40:59. > :41:04.there were just so many missed opportunities, there were so many

:41:05. > :41:15.times so much could have been done, and wasn't. Let me bring in Wendy

:41:16. > :41:18.and Laura, if I may. In terms of the evaluation you have done of these

:41:19. > :41:25.112 stalking cases, how is it possible that not one was

:41:26. > :41:30.investigated properly? We did look at 100 fold cases in quite some

:41:31. > :41:34.depth. We also looked at cases across all 43 of the forces, but

:41:35. > :41:42.these cases were looked at in detail, and, as you said, not one of

:41:43. > :41:47.them was prepared and dealt with in accordance with expectations. And

:41:48. > :41:51.there was one in particular, which involved a person who was confronted

:41:52. > :41:56.in his home by a perpetrator who wasn't happy because the individual

:41:57. > :42:03.was having a friendship with this person's former partner. And what

:42:04. > :42:06.happened there was that he subsequently subjected this person

:42:07. > :42:14.to a campaign of threats and abuse on his phone, on social media, and

:42:15. > :42:24.the individual, the abuse was so bad, that the individual moved home.

:42:25. > :42:26.He wasn't supported in the case, and ultimately the perpetrator was

:42:27. > :42:31.acquitted, and he subsequently found out that the police have not

:42:32. > :42:37.analysed the individual's computing, which would have strengthened the

:42:38. > :42:43.case. And sadly this was representative of what we were

:42:44. > :42:46.finding. And from your enquiries, what explanations did you come

:42:47. > :42:52.across as to why these cases were not being dealt with properly? Well,

:42:53. > :42:58.as Helen has indicated, all too often officers were dealing with

:42:59. > :43:02.cases in isolation. They weren't looking at the totality of the

:43:03. > :43:07.offending, and as we have heard, this sort of behaviour, by its

:43:08. > :43:13.nature, it is persistent, it is systematic, it is also repetitive.

:43:14. > :43:17.And it is only by capturing those repeat occasions that the full

:43:18. > :43:25.extent and seriousness of the case can be appreciated, investigated,

:43:26. > :43:29.properly prosecuted and victims can be properly served. Laura, you were

:43:30. > :43:33.an adviser to the all-party Parliamentary enquiry back in 2012.

:43:34. > :43:38.When you hear when they discuss what she has the Scuffet, how do you

:43:39. > :43:42.react? Well, I feel pretty angry about this, having drafted the law,

:43:43. > :43:45.and we worked with Trisha Purnell, whose daughter was stalked and

:43:46. > :43:50.murdered in Harvey Nicholls, will change as part of cultural change.

:43:51. > :43:57.Explain the law change now that was supposed to help. Two new laws of

:43:58. > :44:02.stalking were made, we met the David Cameron, we drafted the law, we

:44:03. > :44:07.requested specialist led training and we felt this would signal how

:44:08. > :44:11.serious stalking was. However, for years on, yes, I have set up Paladin

:44:12. > :44:15.and I have a team of amazing caseworkers, they are all

:44:16. > :44:19.specialists, we have assisted all over 2000 victims but the rest of

:44:20. > :44:22.the terrain has not changed. There has been very little leadership.

:44:23. > :44:27.People don't know the stalking law exists. People are being told it is

:44:28. > :44:36.Trippier, there is no law, victims are being dismissed, given fixed

:44:37. > :44:40.penalty notices, this is familiar. Sian O'Brien was given a fixed

:44:41. > :44:44.penalty notice and a summary had checked the intelligence database

:44:45. > :44:48.that would have seemed he had stalked 13 girls before Herbert the

:44:49. > :44:53.issued her with a fixed penalty notice and she was killed. Another

:44:54. > :44:58.girl was killed in Northumbria, the same story in October, we just had

:44:59. > :45:01.Molly McLaren killed. I have been analysing and counting dead women

:45:02. > :45:05.for many years now. We have about 85 cases either by the Independent

:45:06. > :45:09.police commission having reviewed them, the same patterns repeat. They

:45:10. > :45:11.say we are sorry, like they did to Helen, but none of these lessons are

:45:12. > :45:15.learned and then the next thing happens. They are not putting any of

:45:16. > :45:24.this knowledge around risk assessment into practice. The women

:45:25. > :45:28.you have just talked about, your stalker, your neighbour, it started

:45:29. > :45:31.off low level but it grew and built a new ultimately nearly lost your

:45:32. > :45:37.life because he attacked you. Yes, but you could see it escalating, and

:45:38. > :45:43.you felt like he was screaming with your mouth shut, because nobody

:45:44. > :45:46.heard. They did not take it seriously. You could see it

:45:47. > :45:57.escalating. It went from a dead cat put on your door, and it built up

:45:58. > :46:04.and up and down. He sent a letter threatening to attack me. It haunts

:46:05. > :46:10.my mind. I read the words in my head all the time, what will I do when I

:46:11. > :46:17.attack you, will you fight, will you scream, let the game begin? Oh god.

:46:18. > :46:20.You have that come in you then have the dead cat on your door, you are

:46:21. > :46:24.waiting for it, you don't know when it is going to happen, how it will

:46:25. > :46:29.happen, but you know it is going to. And it was literally waiting. Mir we

:46:30. > :46:34.call these cases murder in the low motion because it is just as

:46:35. > :46:38.Galette. Having created a risk assessment for the police to be used

:46:39. > :46:48.from we want people to be trained, specialist led, we want there to be.

:46:49. > :46:51.We are still hearing from victims in Devon and Cornwall, still hearing

:46:52. > :46:56.there is no training, still victims are being dismissed and turned away.

:46:57. > :46:59.We are fed up with lessons to be learned and sorry, that doesn't

:47:00. > :47:03.carry any currency any more. It is about action and that is why we

:47:04. > :47:05.welcome the report, because there needs to be clear leadership, people

:47:06. > :47:12.need to be held to account and this has to be about change that lasts.

:47:13. > :47:22.This morning we've been asking if black people are being failed

:47:23. > :47:24.by the mental health system because of institutional racism?

:47:25. > :47:27.Black men are 17 times more likely than white men to be diagnosed

:47:28. > :47:29.with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia.

:47:30. > :47:32.The think tank the Centre for Mental Health says it's an issue

:47:33. > :47:36.Our reporter Isaac Fanin has been speaking to people

:47:37. > :47:46.about their experiences of mental health.

:47:47. > :47:49.My name is Eche and I've been sectioned once under the Mental

:47:50. > :47:53.I was expecting to go to the hospital but in actual fact they

:47:54. > :48:08.took me to the police station or police cell.

:48:09. > :48:10.Being placed in those four walls was one of the most

:48:11. > :48:13.damaging things they could have done in that state of mind I was in.

:48:14. > :48:19.And I'm in my room and I'm like, you know what,

:48:20. > :48:22.The first time I was compliant and so they

:48:23. > :48:33.were like, section two, 28 days, you have to go back there.

:48:34. > :48:39.Physically they tried to get me down.

:48:40. > :48:42.That didn't work so they brought the Taser out, 50,000 volts

:48:43. > :48:46.and before I know it I'm back in handcuffs.

:48:47. > :48:49.Back in hospital, to remove the Taser hook,

:48:50. > :48:52.and then before you know it back in the ward.

:48:53. > :48:59.Those experiences with the police and the Taser made me more

:49:00. > :49:02.resistant and more distrusting of the system in general, as it felt

:49:03. > :49:19.How do you know want me to engage with this system?

:49:20. > :49:22.I didn't really get to speak with professionals doctors as much

:49:23. > :49:27.as I wanted because it is still fresh, I

:49:28. > :49:29.have a lot of questions, and trying to understand what has

:49:30. > :49:31.happened and what is happening currently and I

:49:32. > :49:41.And there was talking, not necessarily therapy, just real

:49:42. > :49:46.So I'm like, why was it not possible to speak with somebody

:49:47. > :49:50.about what had been happening and try to make sense of that?

:49:51. > :49:53.So the first port of call was the drugs,

:49:54. > :50:00.And I think in terms of your voice being heard, it's

:50:01. > :50:02.almost the same way as it was in the police cell.

:50:03. > :50:04.Falling on deaf ears, the way aggression is perceived,

:50:05. > :50:13.there could be a subconscious bias acting in the professionals.

:50:14. > :50:32.Racial bias, whether conscious or unconscious, is

:50:33. > :50:35.something that could have been a factor in the way I was perceived.

:50:36. > :50:51.When I think about that and some of the other

:50:52. > :50:53.people that I saw in the

:50:54. > :50:56.ward, I look back, I'm like, you know what, what that person was

:50:57. > :50:59.doing, that was definitely more aggressive than me in terms of what

:51:00. > :51:02.was happening but they stayed in that open ward, they didn't come

:51:03. > :51:03.into intensive care, and then even some of

:51:04. > :51:05.the people that I met inside

:51:06. > :51:08.the intensive care unit was very, what's the word, diverse if we are

:51:09. > :51:10.going to use it in terms of the demographics.

:51:11. > :51:13.So how race impacts your mental health

:51:14. > :51:15.experience, the way you go to the system,

:51:16. > :51:16.how painful process it is, I

:51:17. > :51:18.think there's definitely something that needs to be done.

:51:19. > :51:22.The whole Mental Health Act which was written 24 years ago.

:51:23. > :51:26.And I think it's something that needs to

:51:27. > :51:41.Now we can speak to Marcia Brock who claims she has been

:51:42. > :51:44.wrongly sectioned several times, Maitreya - who doesn't want us

:51:45. > :51:46.to use her surname - she says she's found it difficult

:51:47. > :51:49.to get the mental health help she needs, and Andy Bell

:51:50. > :51:54.from the Centre for Mental Health which published today's report.

:51:55. > :52:04.We viewing just moment, but you have been sectioned four times. You have

:52:05. > :52:08.cerebrally this, which can sometimes present itself as a psychosis.

:52:09. > :52:16.Obviously relevant to being sectioned. That is correct. I was

:52:17. > :52:22.initially sectioned in 2007, this is the pattern every two, three years

:52:23. > :52:28.since then. What I can say, being wrongly sectioned, I would get an

:52:29. > :52:34.apology. A red flag, should have Lupus written on the notes.

:52:35. > :52:39.Sometimes it does not present in the blood, but it presents face to face.

:52:40. > :52:44.More than a conversation rather than a blood test. Do you think you would

:52:45. > :52:51.not have been sectioned if you have so very religious and wear white? I

:52:52. > :52:57.don't know any of the others who have been sectioned. They all happen

:52:58. > :53:03.to be right. In our group at University College London. What do

:53:04. > :53:10.you think? Seems to be a huge factor. Can't say I know any of the

:53:11. > :53:19.other women or men with cerebrally this you are of black percent.

:53:20. > :53:23.Trying to get access to mental health services, give a little

:53:24. > :53:29.insight? I have previously tried to get in contact with mental health

:53:30. > :53:35.services, previously I was also wrongly sectioned. The times when I

:53:36. > :53:43.was trying to get help, they did not see me as vulnerable. But they

:53:44. > :53:53.decided to take action, I just find it quite confusing this is that

:53:54. > :53:59.because you are black? I think so, my colours as pay apart. Mainly

:54:00. > :54:06.because naturally we are expressive, much more expressive as a people. We

:54:07. > :54:10.have a bit more animated. They don't really understand that perspective.

:54:11. > :54:18.In terms of the mental health service. They are trained

:54:19. > :54:22.professionals? This is what I'm saying, the perspective of

:54:23. > :54:26.professional. In a test that can determine this person has this, as

:54:27. > :54:31.the first based on the opinion of the professional fools whether or

:54:32. > :54:35.not they are trained professional, committees based the perspective.

:54:36. > :54:42.Let me bring in Andy Bell. Tell our audience would you fan? Weaver

:54:43. > :54:47.looking at what it is that affects young African and Caribbean men at

:54:48. > :54:52.age 11 have as good mental health is anyone else in UK. Yet by the time

:54:53. > :54:56.they reach their early 20s, we have seen the terrible statistics and the

:54:57. > :55:01.awful stories of what happens to some people. We have been looking at

:55:02. > :55:05.why that is. Trying to understand from this perspective of young black

:55:06. > :55:10.men why mental health worsens during that period of time. Seems to be

:55:11. > :55:14.about the attritional wear and tear effects of racism in all parts of

:55:15. > :55:19.society. In all of their experiences of growing up in Britain this mean

:55:20. > :55:20.really need to see a focus on earlier helped to make sure we're

:55:21. > :55:27.preventing problems wherever possible. Just so I am clear, you

:55:28. > :55:31.are saying the attritional effects of racism directed towards in

:55:32. > :55:36.particular young black boys when growing up leads to a mental health

:55:37. > :55:43.problems in their 20s? It is what the young people were described to

:55:44. > :55:47.us. There is research that says this can be effective to having poor

:55:48. > :55:52.mental health. Does not necessarily lead to mental health illness. It

:55:53. > :55:56.does have an effect on somebody's well-being, that can be a journey

:55:57. > :56:00.towards poor mental health. What others have said is that the early

:56:01. > :56:05.health is not there. There is a real fear between African and Caribbean

:56:06. > :56:10.communities and mental health services. We reported on that as

:56:11. > :56:13.long back as 2002. We need to see closer engagement between the NHS

:56:14. > :56:24.and local communities and groups working together to find solutions.

:56:25. > :56:29.What has to change? The dialogues between, because I don't know if

:56:30. > :56:33.yourself, I have the police and far. The police and the hospital, the way

:56:34. > :56:37.they work. If they have a unit of the mental health team. You are most

:56:38. > :56:41.likely to get sectioned if you are from that area. Once I'm out of the

:56:42. > :56:47.area, I find I get normalised hospital treatment. Seems to be the

:56:48. > :56:51.location. If they have a mental health unit team intact, they seem

:56:52. > :56:58.to directly processes into that. They may apologise 72 hours later,

:56:59. > :57:02.and discharges. Whilst they do have the hospital and mental health unit

:57:03. > :57:10.attached, seems to be a straight process. No real understanding.

:57:11. > :57:15.Dealing with you like hospital. What would you say needs to change? I

:57:16. > :57:22.agree, not much dialogue, not much clarity in the processes taken from

:57:23. > :57:28.happening. I was not aware I was being sectioned until a few days

:57:29. > :57:34.after I was sectioned. Did not get any clarity from any doctors. Like

:57:35. > :57:38.people have already gone off, made a decision as to what was going to

:57:39. > :57:47.take place. Not much dialogue with me, the patient. Also with the other

:57:48. > :57:48.services, as well. I was taken in by police. Someone should have been

:57:49. > :58:01.able to see. Thank you for coming on the

:58:02. > :58:05.programme. A Department for health spokesperson told us we want to make

:58:06. > :58:07.sure everyone regardless of ethnicity, background and Asia gets

:58:08. > :58:13.the mental health treatment they need. We have a statement from the

:58:14. > :58:16.Met police on Grenfell Tower, the search and recovery operation inside

:58:17. > :58:21.Grenfell Tower will not be complete until the end of 2017. That just in

:58:22. > :58:26.from the Metropolitan Police. On Monday they say we forensically

:58:27. > :58:31.recover the loss of the human remains from the tower transferring

:58:32. > :58:32.into the Westminster 11 million people are living

:58:33. > :58:38.in private rentals. But how would their landlords

:58:39. > :58:44.manage living as tenants?