07/07/2017

:00:08. > :00:10.Hello, it's Friday it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

:00:11. > :00:19.Donald Trump meet Vladimir Putin face-to-face today at the G20 summit

:00:20. > :00:24.in Hamburg. They will attempt to repair ties after damage over

:00:25. > :00:27.Russia's alleged meddling in the US election. The meeting comes one day

:00:28. > :00:33.after the President claimed the West needed to show the Will to survive

:00:34. > :00:40.international threats. To date we are in the West, and we have to say,

:00:41. > :00:45.there are dire threats to our security and to our way of life.

:00:46. > :00:47.Ahead of the meeting clashes between protesters have left more

:00:48. > :00:49.than 70 police officers injured and as you can see

:00:50. > :00:59.Citizens advice say the roll-out of Universal Credit, the new system by

:01:00. > :01:04.which all benefits are combined into one payment, should be paused until

:01:05. > :01:10.problems with it are sorted out. The EU rejects plea from Italy for more

:01:11. > :01:14.help dealing with migrants arriving at their shores, as the number of

:01:15. > :01:17.people making the journey across the Mediterranean soars. We'll take a

:01:18. > :01:26.look at what is happening and speak to people working on rescue ships.

:01:27. > :01:31.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

:01:32. > :01:36.Lots to talk about this morning, and we do have some

:01:37. > :01:39.breaking news - police in Italy say a five storey apartment building has

:01:40. > :01:43.collapsed and a search for survivors is underway.

:01:44. > :01:50.We will also be live at Wimbledon this morning -

:01:51. > :01:52.as four Brits are in action at Wimbledon today.

:01:53. > :01:55.Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

:01:56. > :01:58.use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:01:59. > :02:05.Our main story, security is tight in the German city of Hamburg for the

:02:06. > :02:09.start of the G20 summit after a night of violent clashes between

:02:10. > :02:13.riot police and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda will

:02:14. > :02:19.be trade, climate change and North Korea. The American and Russian

:02:20. > :02:23.presidents will be meeting for the first time. Theresa May will call on

:02:24. > :02:27.world leaders to work together to cut off funding to terrorist groups.

:02:28. > :02:34.Our diplomatic correspondent James Robbins reports from hamburger. --

:02:35. > :02:36.from Hamburg. A global summit automatically

:02:37. > :02:38.triggers protest from those who accuse the world's most powerful

:02:39. > :02:41.leaders of serving narrow interests. "Welcome to hell," is one slogan

:02:42. > :02:44.to greet the presidents and prime ministers who are divided over

:02:45. > :02:46.a huge range of issues. But most eyes are focused

:02:47. > :02:48.on the controversial figure This summit host, Germany's

:02:49. > :02:52.Chancellor Angela Merkel, facing elections, has

:02:53. > :02:59.showed her anger in the past over the President's denunciation of

:03:00. > :03:01.the Paris Climate Change Agreement. But she's now hoping to combine

:03:02. > :03:06.toughness with a search The real prize fight here will be

:03:07. > :03:09.Mr Trump's first presidential bout On his way here, President Trump

:03:10. > :03:14.acknowledged the possibility Russia interfered in the American

:03:15. > :03:16.elections, at the same time he accused Russia of

:03:17. > :03:17.deliberate destabilisation These are charges denied

:03:18. > :03:29.by Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. The two presidents may find some

:03:30. > :03:33.common ground but this very personal contest symbolises deep divisions

:03:34. > :03:35.among the wider leadership of the most powerful

:03:36. > :03:40.economies in the world. Disputes over trade and how

:03:41. > :03:44.to confront North Korea are among China, with Russia, wants to keep

:03:45. > :03:51.the focus on dialogue. The Prime Minister, Theresa May,

:03:52. > :03:53.has come to Hamburg pledging to continue her campaign to outlaw

:03:54. > :03:56.the financing of violent extremism. She will present new ideas

:03:57. > :03:58.for international co-oporation to try to identify and close down

:03:59. > :04:01.even small-scale channelling All summits throw division

:04:02. > :04:27.into sharp relief but still this Let's go live to James Robbins in

:04:28. > :04:32.Hamburg. Obviously, it's the G20, but it is effectively G two in

:04:33. > :04:35.particular getting all the attention. Lots of anticipation

:04:36. > :04:40.about what it is going to be like when Trump and Putin come together.

:04:41. > :04:47.Absolutely right, it's not wrong, I think, to focus on this political

:04:48. > :04:53.prizefight, this showdown between two rivals on the world stage you've

:04:54. > :04:57.never met before as presidents. It's a meeting scheduled for 30-35

:04:58. > :05:00.minutes according to the White House, relatively short. It will be

:05:01. > :05:04.what the cameras reveal for the short time they are present which

:05:05. > :05:10.most people will try to analyse. The two leaders squaring up to each

:05:11. > :05:17.other. One Donald Trump, some seven inches taller, 18 centimetres

:05:18. > :05:20.taller, than the Russian president, but the Russian president brings the

:05:21. > :05:26.experience that can often carry you through tough meetings, when Donald

:05:27. > :05:30.Trump has been in office for 170 days, less than six months.

:05:31. > :05:36.President Putin can correction occur less than eight months. President

:05:37. > :05:40.Putin has been in power for 17 years. It crystallises all the

:05:41. > :05:45.uncertainty in a rather rudderless world that the other leaders feel at

:05:46. > :05:48.this summit. Thank you very much, we'll be talking more about the

:05:49. > :05:52.potential around that particular meeting, plus the other issues, of

:05:53. > :05:57.course, facing world leaders at the G20 summit a little bit later. If

:05:58. > :05:58.you want to get in touch on that or anything else with talking about,

:05:59. > :05:59.get in touch. Annita is in the BBC

:06:00. > :06:11.Newsroom with a summary The senior judge who will lead the

:06:12. > :06:15.Grenfell Tower public enquiry has faced angry questions from survivors

:06:16. > :06:42.of the fire and local residents at a public meeting last night.

:06:43. > :06:53.Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been accused of not considering the

:06:54. > :06:56.social issues, something he denies. Tens of thousands of people will be

:06:57. > :07:00.forced into debt if changes are not made to the way the new welfare

:07:01. > :07:05.benefit, Universal Credit, is ruled out. That is according to the

:07:06. > :07:09.charity citizens advice, which is calling for improvements. Ministers

:07:10. > :07:10.insist the benefit is working, as our social affairs correspondent

:07:11. > :07:12.Michael Buchanan reports. At the Citizens Advice

:07:13. > :07:14.office in Bridgewater, an increasing number

:07:15. > :07:16.of people are coming in, Vicki Kelly has had to take the day

:07:17. > :07:22.off work to sort out her problems. She has no internet access at home

:07:23. > :07:24.and struggles to keep up Yeah, I'm having to take the day off

:07:25. > :07:30.from work to sort this out! They you want me to work and yet,

:07:31. > :07:33.you've got to take time off! What's it been like, then,

:07:34. > :07:36.the past few months? Struggling for money,

:07:37. > :07:40.having to find other work And obviously now, they have stopped

:07:41. > :07:43.it again at the moment, we have to make phone calls,

:07:44. > :07:46.make appointments to come back And again, it is more time off

:07:47. > :07:52.of work, losing more money. Universal Credit has been rolled out

:07:53. > :07:54.across rolled out across Britain, six welfare payments such as housing

:07:55. > :07:57.benefit and tax credits But problems are emerging -

:07:58. > :08:05.a survey conducted by Citizens Advice of those people it's

:08:06. > :08:08.helped found over a third of claimants are waiting longer

:08:09. > :08:10.than the six weeks they should One in ten people have to wait over

:08:11. > :08:16.ten weeks for Universal Credit. More than half have had

:08:17. > :08:19.to borrow money while waiting We are seeing at the moment

:08:20. > :08:23.thousands of people who are seriously worried

:08:24. > :08:27.about their personal situations and cannot fix it because the

:08:28. > :08:30.administration of Universal Credit is not helping them and the support

:08:31. > :08:33.is not there for them Ministers insist that

:08:34. > :08:37.Universal Credit is a success and say most claimants are satisfied

:08:38. > :08:40.with the benefit and that help it is available for

:08:41. > :08:45.those with problems. And at 9.30 Joanna will be hearing

:08:46. > :08:51.from people who have had problems with this credit system alongside

:08:52. > :08:53.an MP from the Work The World Health Organisation says

:08:54. > :08:58.gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

:08:59. > :09:00.and it's essential that research is carried out to find

:09:01. > :09:03.new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

:09:04. > :09:06.suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

:09:07. > :09:07.which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

:09:08. > :09:15.resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million people

:09:16. > :09:28.pick up the disease worldwide each Mental health services in England

:09:29. > :09:32.are being overwhelmed by a combination of rising demand and

:09:33. > :09:36.staff shortages, according to a survey by NHS providers. There are

:09:37. > :09:40.also concerns extra government money designed to improve access for

:09:41. > :09:43.patients needing help is failing to reach front line services. Here is

:09:44. > :09:44.Dominic Hughes, health correspondent.

:09:45. > :09:47.Two years ago Alice Victor was struggling with an eating

:09:48. > :09:50.disorder but her GP told her it would take at least a year before

:09:51. > :09:54.In the end Alice went private but, thinking back, she remembers that

:09:55. > :09:59.It takes so much to come out and say I need help and I need professional

:10:00. > :10:02.help, and then to not get it is horrible.

:10:03. > :10:04.And having to wait longer and longer, you get stuck

:10:05. > :10:06.in the same unhealthy thought patterns and your mental

:10:07. > :10:17.A survey of bosses at mental health trusts across England paints

:10:18. > :10:19.a picture of services under pressure.

:10:20. > :10:23.70% expect demand to increase this year.

:10:24. > :10:26.Two out of three trusts say they don't have enough staff

:10:27. > :10:29.to cope, particularly mental health nurses and psychiatrists.

:10:30. > :10:32.And 80% say extra government money intended for mental health is not

:10:33. > :10:40.We have seen many, many more campaigns up and down the country

:10:41. > :10:42.really talking about breaking down the stigma of presenting for mental

:10:43. > :10:44.health treatment, but that means that demand is going

:10:45. > :10:53.And I think we are at risk of mental health trusts being overwhelmed

:10:54. > :10:58.The Department of Health in England said it expected NHS bosses to make

:10:59. > :11:01.sure an extra billion pounds each year reached frontline mental health

:11:02. > :11:12.Meanwhile, a BBC Radio 5 Live investigation has found a 16% rise

:11:13. > :11:14.in ambulance callouts to people suffering from suspected mental

:11:15. > :11:16.health problems, adding to the signs the pressure is building

:11:17. > :11:27.A US hospital is offering to ship an experimental drug to the UK

:11:28. > :11:32.to help treat terminally-ill Charlie Gard.

:11:33. > :11:34.The hospital in New York also offered to admit

:11:35. > :11:37.the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles" can be cleared.

:11:38. > :11:41.Charlie's parents are at the centre of a lengthy

:11:42. > :11:43.legal battle with doctors at London's Great Ormond Street

:11:44. > :11:46.Hospital, who say the treatment would not help the boy.

:11:47. > :11:48.A new gallery will open in David Hockney's hometown

:11:49. > :11:50.of Bradford today - to coincide with his 80th

:11:51. > :11:54.The David Hockney Gallery, at Cartwright Hall, houses

:11:55. > :11:55.the largest public collection of his early artworks

:11:56. > :12:03.The display also includes family photos and previously unseen footage

:12:04. > :12:14.David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations

:12:15. > :12:17.as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced

:12:18. > :12:19.last night when his alarm on his mobile interrupted

:12:20. > :12:31.the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'.

:12:32. > :12:34.You put a fork in the road and we opted for

:12:35. > :12:38.Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that

:12:39. > :12:40.This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime.

:12:41. > :12:57.Mine just says, its breakfast time. Let's catch up with the sport with

:12:58. > :12:59.Jess. Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead

:13:00. > :13:02.British hopes at Wimbledon today as they take to the court

:13:03. > :13:04.in the third round. Konta, who is now the favourite

:13:05. > :13:08.with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece

:13:09. > :13:11.and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio

:13:12. > :13:13.Fognini on Centre Court. Heather Watson is up against former

:13:14. > :13:22.world number one Victoria Azarenka. Roger Federer is that he couldn't

:13:23. > :13:28.get rid of the nerves early in his match but still made it through in

:13:29. > :13:32.straight sets. In his first match as England captain, Joe Root hit 184

:13:33. > :13:35.not out against South Africa in the opening test at Lord's.

:13:36. > :13:37.After a shaky start, England closed the day

:13:38. > :13:39.Play gets back underway at 11 o'clock.

:13:40. > :13:42.And Chris Froome is still wearing the yellow jersey

:13:43. > :13:45.after what he described as one of the most relaxing days he'd ever

:13:46. > :13:47.had on the Tour de France - he's 12 seconds ahead

:13:48. > :14:07.After nearly 6 months in the White House, the time has

:14:08. > :14:10.finally come for Donald Trump to meet the power that some say

:14:11. > :14:14.Vladamir Putin will meet the President for the first time

:14:15. > :14:16.in person at the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg.

:14:17. > :14:22.It is being billed as the showdown at the time surrounded by

:14:23. > :14:24.controversy with sanctions against Russia, the role of Nato and the

:14:25. > :14:26.conflict in Syria likely to be high on the agenda.

:14:27. > :14:29.Just yesterday, Trump stoked the fire when he urged Russia

:14:30. > :14:31.to "cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine

:14:32. > :14:32.and its support for hostile regimes elsewhere."

:14:33. > :14:41.But how do the two superpowers match up?

:14:42. > :14:43.When the leaders of the world's two biggest superpowers,

:14:44. > :14:51.the United States and Russia, meet, it's always a big occasion.

:14:52. > :14:53.But today's meeting, the first between Donald Trump

:14:54. > :14:55.and Vladimir Putin, has added significance.

:14:56. > :14:58.In the lead-up to the US election, Donald Trump spoke very

:14:59. > :15:01.If Putin likes Donald Trump, I consider that an asset,

:15:02. > :15:05.But since he became President, their relationship has been

:15:06. > :15:09.controversial, with claims of Russian interference

:15:10. > :15:15.in the election process that could have helped him win.

:15:16. > :15:21.In terms of political experience, Putin's 13 years in the top job over

:15:22. > :15:26.two spells easily outweighs Trump's six months in office.

:15:27. > :15:30.But with 326 million citizens living in the US,

:15:31. > :15:33.compared to 142 million in Russia, Donald Trump is the leader

:15:34. > :15:38.In terms of how these people see their president,

:15:39. > :15:41.Vladimir Putin is much more popular on paper.

:15:42. > :15:46.Over 80% of Russians say they support him.

:15:47. > :15:49.Fewer than 40% of Americans approve of Donald Trump.

:15:50. > :15:53.When it comes to controversy, you don't get much bigger

:15:54. > :16:03.Donald Trump is still facing calls to be removed as president

:16:04. > :16:07.as investigators continue to probe those alleged links to Russia.

:16:08. > :16:10.For Vladimir Putin, the biggest controversy in recent years came

:16:11. > :16:12.when Russia annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

:16:13. > :16:14.The actions were met with widespread condemnation,

:16:15. > :16:16.and the country was hit by international sanctions,

:16:17. > :16:23.So, where do the pair agree and disagree?

:16:24. > :16:27.One possible area of disagreement is Syria.

:16:28. > :16:32.Vladimir Putin has staunchly defended Syrian

:16:33. > :16:36.But after the Syrian government launched a chemical attack

:16:37. > :16:40.on its own people in April, Trump called the actions

:16:41. > :16:42.an affront to humanity, and said his views towards Assad

:16:43. > :16:48.In recent days, however, the US has said it is willing

:16:49. > :16:53.to cooperate with Russia on the Syrian conflict.

:16:54. > :16:56.The two countries do have a common goal of wanting to eradicate

:16:57. > :17:01.Another point of contention could be Crimea.

:17:02. > :17:04.In a visit to Warsaw this week, Mr Trump said the US was working

:17:05. > :17:06.with Poland in response to what he called Russia's

:17:07. > :17:13.President Trump has warned that North Korea could face some severe

:17:14. > :17:15.consequences after its test of an intercontinental

:17:16. > :17:23.Russia has said it opposes the use of military force.

:17:24. > :17:26.No one is sure what topics will be brought up when the two

:17:27. > :17:35.meet, or if there'll be any significant outcomes.

:17:36. > :17:37.But it will certainly give the two presidents an opportunity

:17:38. > :17:47.We can talk to Sir Andrew Wood, former British ambassador to Moscow

:17:48. > :17:52.under John major and Tony Blair, also with us Professor Rosemary

:17:53. > :17:55.Hollis from city University, a lecture in international politics

:17:56. > :18:00.and Leslie Vinjamuri, from Chatham House. The seasoned, wily politician

:18:01. > :18:05.meets the businessman who shoots from the hip, what do you think Sir

:18:06. > :18:10.Andrew. All eyes on this showdown, as it is being built. I don't think

:18:11. > :18:16.it is a showdown. They will be trying to size each other up

:18:17. > :18:21.obviously. I imagine Putin will try to flatter Trump, who is susceptible

:18:22. > :18:24.to that kind of thing. At the same time currently in terms of politics

:18:25. > :18:29.they do not have anything directly in common. Where they go over

:18:30. > :18:34.Ukraine will be important. As your commentator noted, over Syria as

:18:35. > :18:38.well. You have lots of experience of this sort of thing, these first

:18:39. > :18:42.meetings and how important they are and what happens behind the scenes

:18:43. > :18:52.in preparation for them. You've already said that this is the attack

:18:53. > :18:55.Putin will take, will they get down to the nitty-gritty of policy or

:18:56. > :18:59.will this be about this being the first time they get to eyeball each

:19:00. > :19:03.other and how they get a personal dynamic. Every and coming US

:19:04. > :19:10.president has wanted a new and better relationship with Russia and

:19:11. > :19:15.that was a campaign statement of the current president. There is some

:19:16. > :19:19.difference between what he says when he is, as it were, on public display

:19:20. > :19:29.as president and what he says in private. And there are stories, I do

:19:30. > :19:36.not know if they are true, that the United States would like to find

:19:37. > :19:41.some way to refresh a search for some sort of solution in Ukraine.

:19:42. > :19:48.That is dangerous because Russia is not moving, it is reinforcing its

:19:49. > :19:52.position. Leslie Vinjamuri, in the election coming it looked like this

:19:53. > :19:56.might be a bromance of some sort, things have changed, how mindful

:19:57. > :20:01.will Mr Trump B of the audience at home in the USA. It's interesting

:20:02. > :20:07.because Donald Trump came in wanting to reset the relationship with

:20:08. > :20:11.Russia, it is what every American president has wanted to do for a

:20:12. > :20:16.long time and hasn't succeeded but Donald Trump has had the specific

:20:17. > :20:19.thing about Putin who changed this entire relationship by virtue of the

:20:20. > :20:23.connection he thought he could form with Putin. As we have seen he has

:20:24. > :20:28.been tremendously constrained in even thinking about this because of

:20:29. > :20:35.the overwhelming focus within the United States Army investigations,

:20:36. > :20:40.first off Roger's cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns but now the

:20:41. > :20:44.big distraction for Trump is whether or not he and his campaign team and

:20:45. > :20:48.even potentially some members of the White House have assisted Russia in

:20:49. > :20:54.this campaign. This is taking up a tremendous amount of energy. There

:20:55. > :20:59.is an entire set of staff in the White House dedicated to responding

:21:00. > :21:03.to those requests. So any notion of recasting this relationship is

:21:04. > :21:07.deeply constrained by this. And one of the key questions in this meeting

:21:08. > :21:13.will be whether or not that sort of question is put on the table or

:21:14. > :21:17.whether it is cut to the side. Regardless of what Trump's aims

:21:18. > :21:20.might be he is fundamentally constrained in his ability to change

:21:21. > :21:27.things because of the politics at home. Rosemary, things have changed

:21:28. > :21:31.a lot in a short period. Just yesterday when Donald Trump talked

:21:32. > :21:36.about Russia is being a destabilising force, how do you see

:21:37. > :21:40.the dynamic. He made that speech because he was in Poland and had a

:21:41. > :21:47.lot in common with his Polish hosts in terms of how he sees the world.

:21:48. > :21:51.Or ethnic Christian of nationalism, not the "We stand for democracy and

:21:52. > :21:59.human rights close Mac version of the Western identity. There are two

:22:00. > :22:03.interpretations of what he said yesterday. One was that he was quite

:22:04. > :22:07.soft in his critique of the Russian posture and one is that this is the

:22:08. > :22:11.new development and he's actually being tough. I would suggest that

:22:12. > :22:14.when he goes into the meeting with Putin he will be doing what he has

:22:15. > :22:19.been doing with a number of otherworldly dust that the Hazmat,

:22:20. > :22:26.including the president of China, that he will be weighing up, what

:22:27. > :22:36.does this person to form my stature in the world. -- what does he do for

:22:37. > :22:39.my stature in the world. And my best saying that I have persuaded him to

:22:40. > :22:48.work with me on this problem and therefore it will get solved? You

:22:49. > :22:51.have to huge egos... Or is he a worthy opponent. In his expressions

:22:52. > :22:57.of admiration for Putin before he was elected, that does suggest that

:22:58. > :23:03.he is weighing people at in terms of his criteria for what good

:23:04. > :23:09.leadership qualities. Not necessarily determined to work

:23:10. > :23:12.either with them or against them. I think in addition to that in Putin

:23:13. > :23:16.he will find a difficult person to deal with because Putin has a

:23:17. > :23:24.long-term ability to follow a course. The I am not sure that Trump

:23:25. > :23:28.house. Survey on different wavelengths in how they see their

:23:29. > :23:31.roles in the world. I think if he thinks he's got a personal

:23:32. > :23:37.relationship with Putin at the end of this he is fooling himself. Is

:23:38. > :23:45.that just not possible, in the end it just comes down to self interest?

:23:46. > :23:49.For Putin, no question about it. Trump's self interest is different

:23:50. > :23:53.because he's in a different country. Trump has to think about Congress

:23:54. > :23:58.and the media, which basically Putin does not have to. Leslie, what is

:23:59. > :24:03.the best that Trump can come away with today? Because people around

:24:04. > :24:06.him will be thinking about the meeting in May with Sergey Lavrov

:24:07. > :24:12.and the Russian ambassador, and there were pictures that looked

:24:13. > :24:17.like, the mood music was not in favour of Donald Trump and that

:24:18. > :24:22.played very badly with the US media. Because that meeting took place at

:24:23. > :24:27.one of the more tense periods of the ongoing investigations, his

:24:28. > :24:34.motivations for firing former FBI director James Comey. There are a

:24:35. > :24:37.lot of things going on at this G20 in part because of the recent launch

:24:38. > :24:43.of a long-range missile by North Korea. So now there are questions of

:24:44. > :24:46.what is happening and Trump won't want to be outside that but will

:24:47. > :24:49.have this broader question of North Korea in mind. That is different

:24:50. > :24:56.from what he thought he would be dealing with energy 20. But I think

:24:57. > :25:01.what Professor Rosemary Hollis said is right, the optics matter a lot,

:25:02. > :25:06.will he come out of this looking like a strong president, holding a

:25:07. > :25:10.line on Russia, but also forming a strong relationship and creating

:25:11. > :25:15.that opportunity that he might be the one to turn things around. Yet

:25:16. > :25:18.he is also worried now about how his relationship with other European

:25:19. > :25:23.partners will look because they did not go well on his first trip. This

:25:24. > :25:25.LG 20 is a contest, not only for which country will be the next

:25:26. > :25:31.global leader but which set of countries. We've seen lots of

:25:32. > :25:37.countries having bilateral meetings, the president of China and the

:25:38. > :25:40.German Chancellor, it is not clear who is at the forefront, and the

:25:41. > :25:47.interesting thing is that the United States doesn't seem to be. So will

:25:48. > :25:51.this meeting take centre stage and be as pivotal as we think it should

:25:52. > :25:55.be or will it just be one of the many things that happens at the T20?

:25:56. > :26:03.Just one more interesting aspect of where we are, everything seems so

:26:04. > :26:09.much more fractured. Everybody's national interests are more defined

:26:10. > :26:13.than at any time previously. I don't know if there are four or five

:26:14. > :26:18.competing agendas on the table at this G20. If you take the

:26:19. > :26:23.protesters, so vocal up to now, they are against globalisation.

:26:24. > :26:25.Technically so is Trump but the protesters are also against him. So

:26:26. > :26:31.there are two visions of globalisation. Under discussion. Two

:26:32. > :26:40.visions of the West under discussion. A yes or no on climate

:26:41. > :26:45.change up for grabs. Then if you take the individual problems,

:26:46. > :26:53.Ukraine has been mentioned, if you look at Syria, there, I think, the

:26:54. > :27:00.offence taken by the Russians over the US decision to send missiles in

:27:01. > :27:05.response to the use of chemical weapons by President Assad is

:27:06. > :27:13.because it was interference in a predominantly Russian game. They do

:27:14. > :27:19.share the objective of getting rid of Islamist terrorists of the nature

:27:20. > :27:24.of Isis, anywhere. But because that campaign against Isis in both Iraq

:27:25. > :27:29.and Syria is reaching a turning point where they are no longer in

:27:30. > :27:35.control of big cities or territory, they have melted into the landscape,

:27:36. > :27:40.there is a battle looming because the Russians on the ground, the

:27:41. > :27:45.uranium and Iranians proxies are on the ground, and they are both in a

:27:46. > :27:51.much better position to dictate what happens after Isis than the

:27:52. > :27:54.Americans. Just briefly, Sir Andrew, obviously very important and

:27:55. > :27:58.difficult issues on the agenda for all the G20 leaders yet as we have

:27:59. > :28:03.said we are all interested to see how this meeting between Trump and

:28:04. > :28:08.Putin plays out. You have said how Putin will play it, you are a

:28:09. > :28:15.diplomat, what advice would you give Campton back on how to handle him.

:28:16. > :28:18.Just don't rush. The analogy that occurs to me, listening to is

:28:19. > :28:24.talking, is the analogy of a group of dogs meeting in the park. Finding

:28:25. > :28:28.or the others are and what they like and who will be top dog. I think

:28:29. > :28:32.there is something in that. I don't know how effective the G20 is as an

:28:33. > :28:39.organisation and what it is now supposed to represent Anichebe. It

:28:40. > :28:45.is great to talk to you all. -- to represent and achieve. Thank you

:28:46. > :28:47.all. Let us no your thoughts on that as well.

:28:48. > :28:50.The food delivery firm Deliveroo has said it will pay sickness and injury

:28:51. > :28:53.benefits to its 15,000 riders in the UK if the law is changed.

:28:54. > :28:56.In a submission to the government's review of the "on-demand"

:28:57. > :28:58.economy seen by the BBC, the firm says that at present

:28:59. > :29:01.the law prevents it from offering enhanced rights because it

:29:02. > :29:02.classifies its riders as self-employed.

:29:03. > :29:04.Deliveroo says it uses that classification to provide its riders

:29:05. > :29:13.with the flexibility to work when they want.

:29:14. > :29:18.Let's go to our Business News reporter Theo Leggett.

:29:19. > :29:24.It is a complex issue, one being looked at by the government in the

:29:25. > :29:30.context of the modern economy. What is Deliveroo saying that it wants to

:29:31. > :29:34.do. Deliveroo says it wants to offer its riders, cyclists, Mo bed riders,

:29:35. > :29:39.certain employment rights like holiday pay and sickness pay. At the

:29:40. > :29:45.moment, it doesn't do that. -- Mo paired riders. Deliveroo considers

:29:46. > :29:49.itself a platform, it has riders of an app which will offer them a job

:29:50. > :29:54.to do and if they wanted they will accept it. Those workers are paid by

:29:55. > :29:57.the job, not by the hour, they are not eligible for the minimum wage

:29:58. > :30:01.and they are not eligible for these other benefits and that's because

:30:02. > :30:05.under British employment law at the moment they are considered to be

:30:06. > :30:09.self-employed. What is likely to happen because unemployment review

:30:10. > :30:16.is underway. Some magic formalin going to review - and employment

:30:17. > :30:20.review is underway. Is a magic formula going to emerge. UK

:30:21. > :30:26.employment law has not caught up with the times. At the moment people

:30:27. > :30:29.are classified as either self-employed, workers or employees.

:30:30. > :30:33.As you go up the scaly become eligible for more benefits yet lacks

:30:34. > :30:37.flexible. Delivery workers are free to take jobs from other companies if

:30:38. > :30:41.they want. They can work when they want, they don't have to do set

:30:42. > :30:46.shifts. If they became workers, Leslie Vinjamuri says they might

:30:47. > :30:49.have to do some of that. So the idea of the review is to look at the

:30:50. > :30:53.scope of employment law and see if it can be made more flexible to cope

:30:54. > :30:57.with people who work for companies like Deliveroo and other so-called

:30:58. > :30:58.geek economy companies about them being exploited. Thank you very

:30:59. > :31:03.much. Still to come, pressing pause on the

:31:04. > :31:09.benefit system, the new Universal Credit system could be halted until

:31:10. > :31:13.problems with its roll-out are sorted, that's what critics of the

:31:14. > :31:17.system wants to happen. A change to the charts. The official charts

:31:18. > :31:22.Company is changing the rules in order to support new and emerging

:31:23. > :31:25.artists. It comes after Ed Sheeran had 16 of the top 20 hits at one

:31:26. > :31:36.stage. Let us know what you think about

:31:37. > :31:43.that. Tight security is in place

:31:44. > :31:46.in the German city of Hamburg for the start of the G-20 summit,

:31:47. > :31:49.after a night of violent clashes between riot police

:31:50. > :31:52.and anti-capitalist protesters. Items on the agenda

:31:53. > :31:54.for will be trade, climate The American and Russian presidents

:31:55. > :31:58.will also meet for the first time and Theresa May will call on world

:31:59. > :32:02.leaders to work together to cut off The senior judge who will lead

:32:03. > :32:09.the Grenfell Tower Public Inquiry has faced angry questions

:32:10. > :32:12.from survivors of the fire and local residents at a public

:32:13. > :32:14.meeting last night. Sir Martin Moore-Bick has been

:32:15. > :32:34.accused of ignoring calls for him to consider the social issues

:32:35. > :32:43.which affect public housing - Citizens advice is calling on

:32:44. > :32:47.ministers to stop the roll-out of the new welfare benefit Universal

:32:48. > :32:51.Credit. The charity says problems with the benefit are forcing people

:32:52. > :32:54.into debt and say tens of thousands of people will face financial

:32:55. > :32:55.hardship unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the benefit

:32:56. > :32:58.is working. The World Health Organisation says

:32:59. > :33:00.gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

:33:01. > :33:02.and it's essential that research is carried out to find

:33:03. > :33:05.new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

:33:06. > :33:07.suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

:33:08. > :33:09.which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

:33:10. > :33:18.resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million

:33:19. > :33:29.people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS

:33:30. > :33:32.trusts in England says: mental health services are being

:33:33. > :33:37.overwhelmed because a rapidly rising demand. A survey by NHS providers

:33:38. > :33:39.also found more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra

:33:40. > :33:44.money pledged at national level isn't getting through. The

:33:45. > :33:45.Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing mental health

:33:46. > :33:53.services improve. In the gallery will open in David

:33:54. > :33:54.Hockney's hometown of Bradford today to coincide with his 80th birthday

:33:55. > :33:59.this week. The David Hockney Gallery,

:34:00. > :34:01.at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection

:34:02. > :34:03.of his early artworks The display also includes family

:34:04. > :34:07.photos and previously unseen footage That's a summary of the latest BBC

:34:08. > :34:14.News - more at 10am. It's four years since

:34:15. > :34:17.the government began its roll out of Universal Credit -

:34:18. > :34:19.a new system which would combine all benefits into one payment,

:34:20. > :34:21.which the government argued But today the Citizens Advice Bureau

:34:22. > :34:30.today has called for the roll out to be put on hold until problems

:34:31. > :34:35.with it were fixed. They say a survey of 800 people

:34:36. > :34:38.who have contacted they to seeking help found that more than a third

:34:39. > :34:41.had waited more than the six weeks for any money to come through,

:34:42. > :34:44.and more than half had to borrow money while waiting

:34:45. > :34:51.for their first payment. In our audience debate before

:34:52. > :34:54.the election in May, Conservative MP Dominic Raab

:34:55. > :34:56.referenced these problems when he admitted some people

:34:57. > :34:58.were using food banks while they were waiting

:34:59. > :35:01.for their money to come through. In terms of the food bank issue,

:35:02. > :35:04.and I've studied the Trussell Trust data, what they tend to find

:35:05. > :35:07.is the typical user of food banks is not someone that's

:35:08. > :35:09.languishing in poverty, it's someone that has a cash flow

:35:10. > :35:11.problem episodically... That is what the Trussell

:35:12. > :35:16.Trust data says. What we've done, because a lot

:35:17. > :35:24.of people on low and middle incomes are feeling the pinch is we've taken

:35:25. > :35:28.4 million of the lowest paid out The average basic rate tax

:35:29. > :35:35.there keeps ?1000 each year more And we've introduced

:35:36. > :35:46.the national living wage, and we have tried to make sure we've

:35:47. > :35:49.got the economy that creates the jobs and the wages,

:35:50. > :35:51.and make sure people keep more We can speak now to Neil Coyle,

:35:52. > :35:55.Labour MP for Bermondsey and Old Southwark, who's also

:35:56. > :36:01.a member of the Work Constituency is one of the areas

:36:02. > :36:02.where the scheme is being rolled out at the moment.

:36:03. > :36:06.Maria Amos, who's in Liverpool, was waiting 6 weeks for universal

:36:07. > :36:09.David Swann, who's in Bristol, has had incorrect universal credit

:36:10. > :36:20.Thank you all for joining us. Let's come straight to you, Maria, you had

:36:21. > :36:26.to wait six weeks for the payment could tell us what happened. Hello,

:36:27. > :36:31.yes, I had to wait six weeks. I'd come out of work and had to go back

:36:32. > :36:34.to sign-on. I was told there was a weak's grace which I didn't

:36:35. > :36:40.understand, then it was like six weeks before I got any money at all.

:36:41. > :36:46.I live on my own and I literally had no money, no gas, no electric, no

:36:47. > :36:53.food. It affected my mental health and it affected my weight. It was

:36:54. > :36:59.just the wait for it, I didn't understand why I had to wait so

:37:00. > :37:03.long. How did you manage in that time? We're hearing Dominic Raab say

:37:04. > :37:07.people have had to use food banks while waiting for money to come

:37:08. > :37:16.through, what did you do? Well I, believe it or not, went so low, so

:37:17. > :37:20.down I wanted to end my life. If rent called me an ambulance and I

:37:21. > :37:27.was taken to Arrow Park where I was introduced to doctors who put me on

:37:28. > :37:31.tablets for me to cope. Then I was introduced to the food banks to use

:37:32. > :37:39.the food bank. My local church helped me also. And in those six

:37:40. > :37:43.weeks when you were at rock bottom because you weren't getting any

:37:44. > :37:51.money, were you having any conversations with people trying...

:37:52. > :37:54.What was being done to sort it out from your perspective, of having to

:37:55. > :38:00.chase, and where you getting anything from the people in a

:38:01. > :38:04.position to rectify it? I got absolutely no help at all for

:38:05. > :38:09.anyone, I didn't know where to turn, I literally had nothing for six

:38:10. > :38:13.weeks. I lost so much weight, I went down to under six stone, I had

:38:14. > :38:19.nothing to eat, nothing, all I had was water from my tap, literally.

:38:20. > :38:24.But the people I was introduced to that slowly helped me through the

:38:25. > :38:33.trust will trust, the food banks, slowly but surely. Calls through to

:38:34. > :38:37.the service to get the payment installed, what was your

:38:38. > :38:40.communication? There was no communication, I was told there was

:38:41. > :38:44.nothing they could do and I had to wait, I try to explain the situation

:38:45. > :38:48.to them. I was told there was nothing they could do, I just had to

:38:49. > :38:55.wait until I was sorted out. Six weeks, which is a long time. David,

:38:56. > :39:02.what was your situation? You were fighting for over a year. Yes, they

:39:03. > :39:10.made a mistake with my Universal Credit right from the start. Whilst

:39:11. > :39:13.I was waiting for Universal Credit I had an overlap payment of employment

:39:14. > :39:22.support allowance with the benefit I was on before. When I had my first

:39:23. > :39:32.Universal Credit payment in July, they took ?526 off me, which was the

:39:33. > :39:37.amount of ESA I had had. Then the next month they tried to take it

:39:38. > :39:43.again. And the next month again. The next month again. The next month

:39:44. > :39:49.again. Every month I have had to get on that phone and fight to get my

:39:50. > :39:52.money back. Fight to get somebody to listen to what I'm telling them.

:39:53. > :40:00.Because these operators are working of scripts and they can do nothing

:40:01. > :40:07.apart from e-mail other members of the team. What was your financial

:40:08. > :40:13.situation during that time? Was it been put right each time but then

:40:14. > :40:17.being reset? -- being put right. I'll do it matter where you getting

:40:18. > :40:25.into worse problems financially? They would refund the money usually

:40:26. > :40:29.within 24 hours. Which wasn't such a problem. My worry every month was

:40:30. > :40:35.that it would take longer than that. I have direct debits, quite a

:40:36. > :40:40.considerable amount, now that we have to pay rent ourselves out of

:40:41. > :40:46.Universal Credit. The money I was left wouldn't have met my direct

:40:47. > :40:52.debits and that was causing the strain and stress. You know, I

:40:53. > :40:57.didn't know if the money would be in my bank on time to meet these

:40:58. > :41:07.debits. Which caused me a lot of stress. Neil, people are having

:41:08. > :41:10.difficulty, clearly. We've got two here, and citizens advice says it's

:41:11. > :41:15.come across many more. The Department for Work and Pensions

:41:16. > :41:20.says in response to the sort of big picture, and what the citizens

:41:21. > :41:25.advice group is saying, the evidence they've been looking at is based on

:41:26. > :41:28.a group of self selecting people. It isn't representative of half a

:41:29. > :41:33.million people claiming Universal Credit. They say 82% of Universal

:41:34. > :41:40.Credit customers have reported they are satisfied or very satisfied with

:41:41. > :41:43.the service. Do you think this is small, number of people? Absolutely

:41:44. > :41:47.not, we shouldn't forget when Universal Credit was voted for by

:41:48. > :41:51.the coalition and designed by Iain Duncan Smith it was designed to cut

:41:52. > :41:56.support, to change the payment system, to a delayed approach. Maria

:41:57. > :42:00.got her payment within six weeks. It's faster than average. The

:42:01. > :42:09.average the Department for Work and Pensions talk about is 12 weeks. In

:42:10. > :42:15.the test area, we've had extra support wrapping around. We've seen

:42:16. > :42:21.delays of 12 weeks. Why do you think these delays are so long? Partly a

:42:22. > :42:25.deliberate system to pay four weeks in arrears rather than upfront which

:42:26. > :42:33.isn't what most people need. Four weeks in arrears, but in some

:42:34. > :42:35.situations... 12 weeks. If you're renting privately, with many housing

:42:36. > :42:38.associations, that will automatically trigger your eviction

:42:39. > :42:47.notification because you're not paying rent on time. Is its teething

:42:48. > :42:52.problems with the system? The four weeks will be built into the system.

:42:53. > :42:57.If it is a system in arrears. The intention with the introduction, the

:42:58. > :43:00.government says, was to simplify the benefits system, replacing six means

:43:01. > :43:06.tested benefits and tax credits with one benefit. The idea ultimately is

:43:07. > :43:12.that this can be balanced reasonably when somebody starts work. In the

:43:13. > :43:16.end is it a system that is a good one if it works? It was designed,

:43:17. > :43:19.nobody would object to simplifying the system, but it was also designed

:43:20. > :43:23.to knock out some of the additional support many disabled people need.

:43:24. > :43:28.Severe disability allowance, is completely disappears under

:43:29. > :43:32.Universal Credit. When I was working in disability Alliance, worked with

:43:33. > :43:37.citizens advice and the Children's Society, disabled people, children

:43:38. > :43:40.of disabled parents, you know, disabled people in work, were all

:43:41. > :43:47.designed to lose out under Universal Credit. There has been extra

:43:48. > :43:51.wraparound support. There is a great local housing organisation called

:43:52. > :43:55.let the market, it is a mutual, it provides extra support to people who

:43:56. > :44:00.live in its homes. The average of people who aren't on Universal

:44:01. > :44:05.Credit, they are in credit by about ?10 each. Of the 80 plus one

:44:06. > :44:09.Universal Credit, the average arrears are ?730. This is a

:44:10. > :44:14.deliberate system to push some people into difficulties. It was

:44:15. > :44:21.wholly designed to put more pressure on individuals. Maria, where are you

:44:22. > :44:25.with your financial situation now that the benefit is working? You

:44:26. > :44:31.have the issues at the beginning. As it settled now? How does it compare

:44:32. > :44:39.with how things were like before? I now receive ?52 a week off, that's

:44:40. > :44:43.all I'm entitled to. They take it out of my money. I'm only ?52 a week

:44:44. > :44:50.is what they give me to live on. I've been accepted for hip now which

:44:51. > :44:59.helps quite a lot. Are you getting less money overall? -- I'm getting

:45:00. > :45:03.PIP. I've always worked, this is the first time with the Universal

:45:04. > :45:10.Credit. I literally get ?52 a week of them, that's still what I get

:45:11. > :45:17.now. I only get ?52 a week of them. How does it compare with where you

:45:18. > :45:22.were before? This system, in my view, is terrible. I'm disabled,

:45:23. > :45:28.I've got multiple sclerosis and I'm in a wheelchair. This Universal

:45:29. > :45:34.Credit has cost me nearly ?200 a month worse off than what I was

:45:35. > :45:39.before. How are you making up for the shortfall? I'm not, we're just

:45:40. > :45:47.living more frugally than we were before. I'm married, you know, so we

:45:48. > :45:53.make our money stretch and last. I need extra bits of money for care.

:45:54. > :45:59.And that the council won't pay for. I'm really struggling to get that

:46:00. > :46:07.care that I need. What are the changes you have to make as a result

:46:08. > :46:14.of that drop of ?200 a month? We had a household cleaner come in and help

:46:15. > :46:19.my wife with cleaning, help her do certain chores for me. And now we

:46:20. > :46:26.can't afford to do that. So it's all on my wife, who is now working very

:46:27. > :46:32.hard to cover the costs of the extra care that I need.

:46:33. > :46:38.Within the work and pensions committee, how much is this being

:46:39. > :46:42.looked at? Is the prospect of a change, it is on a roll-out

:46:43. > :46:46.programme from October and will be rolled out more quickly. In the last

:46:47. > :46:49.parliament the committee did look at this and some of the problems you've

:46:50. > :46:54.heard about this morning. There are some ways to protect people from

:46:55. > :46:59.falling into arrears and debt. It isn't a coincidence that food bank

:47:00. > :47:03.use and poverty has risen in line with the roll-out welfare policies

:47:04. > :47:07.of the coalition. One solution the committee pointed out was that under

:47:08. > :47:12.Universal Credit, and fans payments that can be paid to people so the

:47:13. > :47:16.money is paid quicker and sometimes directly to a landlord rather than

:47:17. > :47:20.an individual, sometimes you have a severe learning disability and you

:47:21. > :47:24.can't manage it it might be more appropriate to go to the landlord.

:47:25. > :47:28.Sometimes the DWP doesn't want to use those agreements in as many

:47:29. > :47:32.cases as warranted so they are sitting on them rather than rolling

:47:33. > :47:37.them out. A quick thought on council tax, it has been an easy for Maria.

:47:38. > :47:40.We've talked about it on the programme before, whether councils

:47:41. > :47:45.should be taking council tax when people on benefit have effectively

:47:46. > :47:50.had to get into debt with council tax because of benefits not coming

:47:51. > :47:53.through. Unsympathetic to councils like mine which have lost 40% of

:47:54. > :47:58.their central government funding and each one will have a different

:47:59. > :48:01.system for hardship funds and discretionary housing payments, it

:48:02. > :48:06.might be a temporary period out of work rather than a permanent one.

:48:07. > :48:10.Some councils will have discretionary support available.

:48:11. > :48:13.Thank you all very much. Neal, David, and Maria, thank you. Let us

:48:14. > :48:17.know your experiences on that. After the chaotic response

:48:18. > :48:20.to the Grenfell Tower fire, local residents say they fear

:48:21. > :48:23.the inquiry into the disaster We'll speak to a member

:48:24. > :48:30.of the Grenfell Action Group for their opinion on the appointment

:48:31. > :48:33.of the retired judge Singer Ed Sheeran broke multiple

:48:34. > :48:42.records when he released his last And he isn't the only artist who's

:48:43. > :48:48.recently been dominating UK music - with the likes of Drake,

:48:49. > :48:50.Stormzy, Kendrick Lamar and The Weeknd all having

:48:51. > :48:52.multiple tracks in the chart But from today no artist

:48:53. > :48:59.will be allowed to have more than three songs

:49:00. > :49:01.in the Official Singles The Official Charts Company say

:49:02. > :49:05.they've changed the rules because they want the chart to be

:49:06. > :49:08.a "showcase for hit singles not album tracks" -

:49:09. > :49:10.and they want to continue Let's now talk to Ben Beaumont

:49:11. > :49:18.Thomas, who is the music editor of the Guardian newspaper,

:49:19. > :49:30.and Edward Adoo, Thank you both for coming in. What

:49:31. > :49:37.do you think, Ben, is it a good idea to artificially manage what is going

:49:38. > :49:40.to end up in the top charts? Yes, it is an artificial gerrymandering of

:49:41. > :49:45.the charts. Previously in the example that you gave of Ed Sheeran

:49:46. > :49:49.having 16 songs in the top 20, I thought this was a great moment of

:49:50. > :49:54.democracy for British music. It meant that people were expressing

:49:55. > :49:58.themselves through the download is that they bought on iTunes and the

:49:59. > :50:03.songs they were streaming on Spotify and other streaming services. They

:50:04. > :50:12.were voting with their feet. It was a very quantified expression of just

:50:13. > :50:17.how much Ed Sheeran was adored at that point. And now with this new

:50:18. > :50:20.rule his chart record will be immortalised for eternity. And now

:50:21. > :50:26.we will not get such a sense of excitement about these incredibly

:50:27. > :50:30.popular artists. Edward, if it is what people are listening to is not

:50:31. > :50:36.right that this is what the charts reflect? It's not so much about what

:50:37. > :50:40.people are listening to, if someone has the entire album in the chart,

:50:41. > :50:45.what's the point of it... Of people are listening to it they are the

:50:46. > :50:49.most listened to tracks! I don't see the point. Back in the day when he

:50:50. > :50:54.had the process of buying singles from your local record shop, some

:50:55. > :51:02.tracks you could only get on import before downloading came through. But

:51:03. > :51:07.what gets me is the whole point of the artists who are not ready to get

:51:08. > :51:15.their trucks through because people like Ed Sheeran have about 20 tracks

:51:16. > :51:19.in the chart. I'm not against those artists, I think it's great, if an

:51:20. > :51:23.artist gets a lot of tracks in the chart that's good but it prohibits

:51:24. > :51:28.new talent from coming through. Previously as I worked as a plug it

:51:29. > :51:33.is hard for an artist to get onto the A list and commercial radio

:51:34. > :51:38.stations like Radio 1. So if it is harder for an artist to get airplay

:51:39. > :51:42.on merit is it any easier to get a chart entry? That is the whole

:51:43. > :51:47.issue. I think it's more the ecosystem of how we listen to music

:51:48. > :51:50.is changing a great deal and now the power has been put much more into

:51:51. > :51:56.the hands of listeners themselves, it is more of a democracy now. I

:51:57. > :52:03.think the charts are less place were breaking new artists and more a

:52:04. > :52:07.reflection of how as a nation we listen to music. That is how it is,

:52:08. > :52:13.is it right that it remains like that or what about letting new

:52:14. > :52:18.talent come through. I think the talent will come through in the

:52:19. > :52:23.traditional way like channels like the radio but also playlists are

:52:24. > :52:25.incredibly popular on Spotify and these streaming services and they

:52:26. > :52:30.are an important way to break any artist now. An artist will come in

:52:31. > :52:35.on a low ranking playlists and lots of people listen to him and it can

:52:36. > :52:41.do becomes a meritocracy that the song will become more popular and

:52:42. > :52:46.will rise into more popular playlists and it's allowing... But

:52:47. > :52:51.don't you think it is tougher for artists to get through? The airplay

:52:52. > :53:00.regime, and to those particular radio stations? Visibility, for sure

:53:01. > :53:05.in the charts. When I worked as a plluggers I wasn't charging those

:53:06. > :53:14.rates but plluggers can charge thousands of pounds... Explain how

:53:15. > :53:17.the job of a pllugger works. Pllugger is the go-between between

:53:18. > :53:21.an artist and a radio station. An artist will call me and say, I have

:53:22. > :53:26.this track, do you like it, I think it's great. So then I would set up

:53:27. > :53:30.meetings with producers and TV editors and say this is a great

:53:31. > :53:35.track. They would say if they liked it it would get played or listed to

:53:36. > :53:45.be played on a radio station, and we'd get feedback but that is

:53:46. > :53:49.expensive. Most pluggers charge... And now people play music in their

:53:50. > :53:52.bedroom and they can stream it. It is on the Internet and artists do

:53:53. > :54:00.make it from starting out in that way. It is rare that they do. I get

:54:01. > :54:05.a lot of artists who come on my BBC Three counties show through the BBC

:54:06. > :54:09.introducing them, they ask, how can we get onto the charts. Sometimes

:54:10. > :54:13.they don't even know the process. It's frustrating for me to give them

:54:14. > :54:18.feedback based on the material, I think beyond this there needs to be

:54:19. > :54:23.a process of how artists can get through. I think it's a step in the

:54:24. > :54:28.right direction but more needs to be done. Let's look at Ed Sheeran. He

:54:29. > :54:33.hasn't just broken through, he's smashed everything! How did he

:54:34. > :54:38.start. He had a very grassroots beginning based on an old school

:54:39. > :54:46.type of behaviour. Play as many gigs as you possibly can in tiny pads and

:54:47. > :54:51.get by off word-of-mouth. -- tiny pads. He did some clever

:54:52. > :54:55.collaborations, working with UK MCs and grime artists and gained

:54:56. > :55:01.credibility on that side of the music spectrum. His style, which is

:55:02. > :55:04.strumming and feeling like a normal bloke, appeals across the board to

:55:05. > :55:11.the housewives of this nation and to the ordinary people of this nation.

:55:12. > :55:17.Not just housewives! I am one! He straddles demographics in a way that

:55:18. > :55:22.hardly anyone else has for a generation. And as BTV helped to

:55:23. > :55:26.propel him from that kind of being known and not just as this online

:55:27. > :55:32.sensation but taking him to other places. And I think because of their

:55:33. > :55:37.cult following everyone latched onto him and thought, he's the next big

:55:38. > :55:43.thing. He's shown through that grass roots way that he made it and if you

:55:44. > :55:47.have the talent you can make it. He's got the songs. I'm not being

:55:48. > :55:53.pessimistic about how he came through, others would like to follow

:55:54. > :55:58.in his footsteps but it's not easy. Does the child make that much of a

:55:59. > :56:04.difference? If you mag it is still relevant. -- the chart. I feel it is

:56:05. > :56:09.still relevant. This seems to be some kind of funding model to bring

:56:10. > :56:13.new Channel through. The BBC do introducing, Spotify and other

:56:14. > :56:17.platforms have new music initiatives. I think more needs to

:56:18. > :56:22.be done. I think what the charts Company has done is great but give

:56:23. > :56:26.everyone can get around and sit at a table and say, how can we bring more

:56:27. > :56:31.talent through and think of some great initiatives, I think that is

:56:32. > :56:35.the way forward. OK. Well, nobody is going to be able to challenge that

:56:36. > :56:37.Ed Sheeran record of 16 songs in the top 20, that is set in stone

:56:38. > :56:50.forever! Thank you. The weather has been hot, we know it

:56:51. > :56:52.is important to drink a lot but is it hygienic to use water bottles?

:56:53. > :58:19.We've been finding out. So now you know. Now the weather

:58:20. > :58:31.with Simon. Important to keep hydrated today, it

:58:32. > :58:37.will be less hot than yesterday get still warm. Yesterday temperatures

:58:38. > :58:42.reached 32.2 in London, a little fresher the further north you went,

:58:43. > :58:45.18 in Glasgow. With the heat and humidity we had impressive

:58:46. > :58:48.thunderstorms yesterday evening in Lincolnshire. This morning cloud

:58:49. > :58:53.over northern and western parts of the UK. This is the latest satellite

:58:54. > :58:58.picture, sunshine down towards the south and the south-east of England,

:58:59. > :59:03.this was the scene short while ago in Surrey. Lovely this morning.

:59:04. > :59:07.Temperatures already in the 20s. As we go through the rest of the

:59:08. > :59:11.morning, more clients developing in these south-eastern areas, one or

:59:12. > :59:17.two showers across the North, all in all for many of us a dry afternoon.

:59:18. > :59:21.There will be sunny spells breaking through across the North of England,

:59:22. > :59:26.those showers nowhere near as torrential as they were yesterday.

:59:27. > :59:29.We could catch the odd heavy shower in Aberdeenshire, a scattering of

:59:30. > :59:35.showers that to the West of Scotland, fine and dry with sunny

:59:36. > :59:38.spells. Some breaks in the cloud across Northern Ireland,

:59:39. > :59:42.temperatures 17 Celsius, cooler compared to north-west England and

:59:43. > :59:48.Wales, cloud around and came the occasional shower floating around,

:59:49. > :59:50.the most areas, staying dry. Some dry weather towards south-west

:59:51. > :59:55.England. Some sunshine here. The best of sunny spells in the South

:59:56. > :59:59.East, although there will be more clients developing and the top

:00:00. > :00:05.temperatures should reach 28 degrees. This evening little change

:00:06. > :00:09.across southern areas, this cold front is moving south behind that

:00:10. > :00:13.cold front we have some colder air. So temperatures in northern parts

:00:14. > :00:17.could reach fairly low single figures yet a of that cold front

:00:18. > :00:21.another uncomfortable night was leaving, I suspect, in the

:00:22. > :00:27.south-east. We start the morning with that week weather front are

:00:28. > :00:31.continuing to move southwards, you noticed was northern areas it will

:00:32. > :00:35.be largely dry with sunshine. Just some rain moving into the far north

:00:36. > :00:42.and north-west of Scotland, temperatures down by a few degrees

:00:43. > :00:50.compared to today but 19-24d. And then into Sunday, again for most of

:00:51. > :00:55.us, mostly dry, some rain spreading south across Scotland and also

:00:56. > :00:59.Northern Ireland, 15-16dC, the risk of heavy showers in Central and

:01:00. > :01:03.eastern parts during Sunday. For many especially towards northern and

:01:04. > :01:08.western areas it will be largely dry on Sunday and again temperatures,

:01:09. > :01:13.20-25, still pretty warm where you get sunshine especially towards the

:01:14. > :01:16.south-east. As we go into next week, rain at times, temperatures hovering

:01:17. > :01:22.at about the average for the time of year. Bye bye.

:01:23. > :01:29.It's Friday, it's ten o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling. The billionaire and

:01:30. > :01:31.the former KGB officer meet face-to-face. Donald Trump and

:01:32. > :01:35.Russian President Vladimir Putin will hold talks today at the G20

:01:36. > :01:39.summit in Hamburg. While the pair attempt to smooth over relations,

:01:40. > :01:42.their meeting comes just one day after the President claimed the West

:01:43. > :01:52.needed to show the will to survive international threats. The judge

:01:53. > :01:55.leading the Grenfell Tower public enquiry faces angry questions from

:01:56. > :01:59.survivors and local residents at last night's public meeting. We

:02:00. > :02:14.talked to the lorry driver whose heroic actions avoided disaster on a

:02:15. > :02:17.busy road. Straight for a summary of the news with Annita

:02:18. > :02:20.Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg

:02:21. > :02:23.for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent

:02:24. > :02:24.clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters.

:02:25. > :02:26.Items on the agenda for will be trade, climate

:02:27. > :02:31.The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time

:02:32. > :02:35.and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off

:02:36. > :02:48.what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work

:02:49. > :02:52.collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing, not

:02:53. > :02:56.just large sums of money that financing terrorism, but also to

:02:57. > :02:59.find ways of working with the financial services, with banks and

:03:00. > :03:05.others, to identify those smaller scale transactions that can

:03:06. > :03:08.sometimes lead terrorist activity. Tens of thousands of people will

:03:09. > :03:11.face financial hardship and be forced into debt if changes aren't

:03:12. > :03:21.made to the way the new welfare benefit Universal Credit is rolled

:03:22. > :03:23.out. That according to citizens advice, which is calling for

:03:24. > :03:43.improvements. Michael Buchanan reports.

:03:44. > :03:45.At the Citizens Advice office in Bridgewater,

:03:46. > :03:47.an increasing number of people are coming in,

:03:48. > :03:51.Vicki Kelly has had to take the day off work to sort out her problems.

:03:52. > :03:54.She has no internet access at home and struggles to keep up

:03:55. > :03:58.Yeah, I'm having to take the day off from work to sort this out!

:03:59. > :04:02.They you want me to work and yet, you've got to take time off!

:04:03. > :04:04.What's it been like, then, the past few months?

:04:05. > :04:07.Struggling for money, having to find other work

:04:08. > :04:11.And obviously now, they have stopped it again at the moment,

:04:12. > :04:13.we have to make phone calls, make appointments to come back

:04:14. > :04:17.And again, it is more time off of work, losing more money.

:04:18. > :04:20.Universal Credit has been rolled out across rolled out across Britain,

:04:21. > :04:22.six welfare payments such as housing benefit and tax credits

:04:23. > :04:26.But problems are emerging - a survey conducted by

:04:27. > :04:28.Citizens Advice of those people it's helped found over a third

:04:29. > :04:31.of claimants are waiting longer than the six weeks they should

:04:32. > :04:35.One in ten people have to wait over ten weeks for Universal Credit.

:04:36. > :04:38.More than half have had to borrow money while waiting

:04:39. > :04:41.We are seeing at the moment thousands of people

:04:42. > :04:43.who are seriously worried about their personal situations

:04:44. > :04:45.and cannot fix it because the administration of Universal Credit

:04:46. > :04:48.is not helping them and the support is not there for them

:04:49. > :04:52.Ministers insist that Universal Credit is a success

:04:53. > :04:55.and say most claimants are satisfied with the benefit and that help

:04:56. > :04:56.it is available for those with problems.

:04:57. > :05:03.The World Health Organisation says gonorrhoea is getting

:05:04. > :05:05.much harder to treat - and it's essential that research

:05:06. > :05:10.is carried out to find new drugs and a vaccine.

:05:11. > :05:13.A study by the WHO in 77 countries suggests the sexually

:05:14. > :05:16.transmitted infection - which can cause infertility -

:05:17. > :05:19.is rapidly evolving resistance to antibiotics.

:05:20. > :05:22.They estimate that 78 million people pick up the disease

:05:23. > :05:27.The organisation representing NHS trusts in England says core

:05:28. > :05:29.mental health services are being overwhelmed

:05:30. > :05:36.A survey by NHS Providers also found more than three quarters

:05:37. > :05:39.of mental health trusts think extra money pledged at national level

:05:40. > :05:43.The Department of Health says there is a commitment to seeing

:05:44. > :05:50.The delivery firm Deliveroo is calling on the Government

:05:51. > :05:54.to update legislation to give self-employed people more security -

:05:55. > :05:56.including sick pay - while maintaining the flexibility

:05:57. > :05:59.The company says current employment law prevents companies

:06:00. > :06:01.from extending some staff entitlements without calling into

:06:02. > :06:04.question the status of its riders, who are classed as self--employed.

:06:05. > :06:13.question the status of its riders, who are classed as self-employed.

:06:14. > :06:19.UK house prices have fallen for three quarters in a row for the

:06:20. > :06:23.first time since 2012 according to the Halifax. Prices in June fell by

:06:24. > :06:28.1% from the month before, taking the average price of the property to

:06:29. > :06:31.?218,000. The mortgage lenders analysis is that household finances

:06:32. > :06:35.are being squeezed as consumer prices grow faster than wages.

:06:36. > :06:37.David Dimbleby is used to dealing with difficult situations

:06:38. > :06:40.as the host of Question Time, but he was left a little red-faced

:06:41. > :06:42.last night when an alarm on his mobile interrupted

:06:43. > :06:46.the programme to tell him it was 'time for bed'.

:06:47. > :06:49.You put a fork in the road and we opted for

:06:50. > :06:53.Now we're in this situation, we're all going down that

:06:54. > :07:03.This is my stopwatch saying it's bedtime.

:07:04. > :07:20.Not quite, David, glad everybody saw the funny side of it!

:07:21. > :07:25.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:07:26. > :07:34.Will be talking about what's going on at the G20 summit, Donald Trump

:07:35. > :07:37.and Vladimir Putin meeting face-to-face for the first time.

:07:38. > :07:41.We'll have some reaction to what is potentially going to unfold there,

:07:42. > :07:45.also talking about the interests of the other countries, because there

:07:46. > :07:50.are 20 countries at the summit in Hamburg. We'll be asking what each

:07:51. > :07:51.country will want to get out of this particular summit. Let's catch up

:07:52. > :08:00.with the sport, we can join Jess. Starting with tennis, there is a big

:08:01. > :08:04.day ahead at Wimbledon with four British players aiming for a place

:08:05. > :08:07.in the fourth round. Andy Marianne Aljaz Bedene both in action. It is

:08:08. > :08:12.the women's draw that is really interesting. Heather Watson is first

:08:13. > :08:16.on Centre Court against former world number one Victoria Azarenka. The

:08:17. > :08:17.new favourite for the women's title with some of the bookmakers is

:08:18. > :08:22.Johanna Konta. Konta, who is now the favourite

:08:23. > :08:24.with some bookmakers, plays Maria Sakkari of Greece

:08:25. > :08:26.and defending champion Murray plays Italy's Fabio

:08:27. > :08:36.Fognini on Centre Court. We can't write off Angelique Kerber

:08:37. > :08:42.yet. She beat Kirsten Flipkens in two hard-fought sets yesterday. Kyle

:08:43. > :08:45.Edmund did his best to make it five Britons in round three, but he is

:08:46. > :08:49.out. He said he lacked maturity in his first experience of Centre Court

:08:50. > :08:58.after he lost in straight sets to Gael Monfils. Roger Federer still

:08:59. > :09:06.looking very good indeed, he had a bit of a nervy start against

:09:07. > :09:09.Moore-Bick but still came through in straight sets. Novak Djokovic only

:09:10. > :09:13.needed an hour and a half to beat his opponent. Djokovic said

:09:14. > :09:19.afterward he was puzzled by John McEnroe's comments that he was the

:09:20. > :09:25.Tiger Woods of tennis. There were some extremely distressing scenes on

:09:26. > :09:26.court 17 as the American player suffered a really nasty knee injury.

:09:27. > :09:35.Sue Barker explains what happened. Bethany of the United States lost

:09:36. > :09:39.the second set tie-break, this is the fourth point of the final set,

:09:40. > :09:43.suffers a really horrible fall. Immediately clutching her knee and

:09:44. > :09:50.shouting, help me! 13 eventually come on to help her, as does her

:09:51. > :09:54.opponent. A medical team was brought onto the court as well and she was

:09:55. > :09:58.given oxygen. She has now made her way back to the clubhouse, but it

:09:59. > :10:05.obviously is a very serious knee injury. All the best to her and her

:10:06. > :10:09.recovery. Away from Wimbledon there was a remarkable first day in the

:10:10. > :10:16.job for the new England cricket captain, Joe Root. He beat an

:10:17. > :10:20.unbeaten 184 on the first day of the test against South Africa at Lord's.

:10:21. > :10:26.To rescue his side. They'd been in some trouble after losing early

:10:27. > :10:29.wickets. They resume on 357-5. You always pride yourself on runs as a

:10:30. > :10:33.player, if you want to set the example as captain, you know, it's

:10:34. > :10:39.important you do score runs. It's just the start. It's only the first

:10:40. > :10:46.game. If I want to sort of postings on, in the future, I'm going to have

:10:47. > :10:50.to do it more consistently. The Tour de France has been riddled with

:10:51. > :10:54.crashes but on stage six the ride is just about manage to avoid a

:10:55. > :11:00.spectator's umbrella that was blown onto the course. Probably a parasol,

:11:01. > :11:03.looking at the sunshine. The stage was won by sprinter Marcel Kittle,

:11:04. > :11:10.but Chris Froome still wears the yellow jersey.

:11:11. > :11:12.Donald Trump is preparing for his first face-to-face meeting

:11:13. > :11:16.Their encounter will take place on the fringes of the G20 summit

:11:17. > :11:19.in Hamburg where world leaders will be discussing trade,

:11:20. > :11:27.Tight security is in place for the summit in the German city -

:11:28. > :11:29.where anti capitalist protestors have been demonstrating.

:11:30. > :11:31.This morning riot police again used water cannon

:11:32. > :11:36.In a moment, we'll be speaking to Professor Margaret Macmillan

:11:37. > :11:41.from Oxford University and Professor Scott Lucas

:11:42. > :11:46.from Birmingham University but first let's go to Hamburg and speak

:11:47. > :11:49.to our Deputy Political Editor John Pienaar.

:11:50. > :11:57.You've been speaking to Theresa May, what has she been saying? Well, we

:11:58. > :12:01.can see that the global leaders here face a long list of challenges.

:12:02. > :12:07.Donald Trump is central to a number of them. Imagine trade, North Korea.

:12:08. > :12:11.You mentioned confrontation between leaders and between Donald Trump,

:12:12. > :12:18.who has pulled back, repudiated the Paris treaty on climate change.

:12:19. > :12:21.Theresa May will meet Donald Trump in the summit. She has the

:12:22. > :12:24.additional complication that after the election, in the run-up to

:12:25. > :12:28.Brexit, there were those arguing that Britain is seeing a shrinkage

:12:29. > :12:31.of its influence. She'll go to the meeting with that in the background.

:12:32. > :12:36.I asked when I spoke to the Prime Minister earlier today how she would

:12:37. > :12:39.deal with that, how she would face up to Donald Trump, would she be

:12:40. > :12:44.very strong in asserting her view that America is wrong to pull back

:12:45. > :12:48.from the climate change treaty? Have a listen back to this. I was clear

:12:49. > :12:51.to President Trump how disappointed the UK was that the United States

:12:52. > :12:55.have decided to pull out of the Paris agreement. And also clear that

:12:56. > :12:59.I hope they'll be able to find a way to come back into the Paris

:13:00. > :13:02.agreement. I think it's important for us globally, I believe it is

:13:03. > :13:06.possible. We're not really negotiating the Paris agreement,

:13:07. > :13:12.that stays. But I want to see the United States looking for ways to

:13:13. > :13:15.rejoin. I believe the collective message that will be given to

:13:16. > :13:20.President Trump around this table will be the importance of America

:13:21. > :13:24.coming back into the agreement and I hope we'll be able to work to ensure

:13:25. > :13:27.that can happen. What do you say to business leaders like the CBI is a

:13:28. > :13:31.Britain should stay a full member of the customs union and the single

:13:32. > :13:36.market through a transition period however long that takes, for the

:13:37. > :13:40.sake of stability and certainty? What I want to do is negotiate a new

:13:41. > :13:45.comprehensive free trade agreement with the European Union to have that

:13:46. > :13:50.negotiated with him that two year time scale the treaty has set. As

:13:51. > :13:53.part of the ongoing relationship, of course, we'll need to have an

:13:54. > :13:58.implement a nation period, when that is put into place. What I want to

:13:59. > :14:01.see is a smooth and orderly process, as smooth as possible, because it is

:14:02. > :14:06.the case none of us want to disrupt our economy, we want to ensure we

:14:07. > :14:10.have that smooth process. But it is important we have that free trade

:14:11. > :14:13.agreement, that we know what that end state, that relationship is

:14:14. > :14:14.going to be for the future. Then we are able to implement that over a

:14:15. > :14:26.period. No very clear idea of how the Prime

:14:27. > :14:29.Minister sees our part to Brexit panning out in any detail, it's to

:14:30. > :14:36.play out, the lobbying from business and others goes on. Interesting she

:14:37. > :14:39.seemed to be arguing, she hoped, at least, it might be possible to

:14:40. > :14:43.persuade Donald Trump to come back into the climate change deal, not

:14:44. > :14:47.easy to see how that might be achieved either. When I asked about

:14:48. > :14:50.this shrinkage of British influence, if that's what it was, she said

:14:51. > :14:55.Britain could either be timid or bold, which, if nothing else, was

:14:56. > :15:05.recognition there is a challenge for Britain in keeping up its influence.

:15:06. > :15:10.Thank you very much, John, let's talk to Professor Scott Lucas. Thank

:15:11. > :15:15.you very much for joining us. There are lots of issues, lots of leaders

:15:16. > :15:19.there. Most of the attention is focused on Vladimir Putin and Donald

:15:20. > :15:23.Trump. What do you think they're meeting is going to deliver? How

:15:24. > :15:26.important is this meeting? I think it will provide four appearances,

:15:27. > :15:31.Donald Trump will say this proves he's a very important leader.

:15:32. > :15:34.Vladimir Putin will use this to show that Russia is now the equal of the

:15:35. > :15:38.United States, even if that's not true in many ways, that Russia is

:15:39. > :15:42.now equal in world leadership. There will be very little substance that

:15:43. > :15:46.will come out of that, and indeed the risk is that it sucks the oxygen

:15:47. > :15:51.out of the G20. We've got important issues here. We've got climate

:15:52. > :15:55.change, migration and refugees. The question of economic recovery after

:15:56. > :16:01.the 2008 financial crisis and recession. In many ways, Trump's

:16:02. > :16:06.protectionism is pulling the US after the side on those issues. It's

:16:07. > :16:11.no longer part of the Accord, so will not be. It's trying to stand

:16:12. > :16:16.aside on the migration issue. It's up to the other 18 leaders as to how

:16:17. > :16:22.they coordinate and cooperate, possibly without a clear US lead,

:16:23. > :16:25.even with the US with them. Do you see the other 18 successfully doing

:16:26. > :16:30.that? It feels like we're at a time in our history where countries are

:16:31. > :16:34.much more fragmented, all looking to their own interests. It's a time

:16:35. > :16:41.where this country is looking to Brexit, the EU is looking at that

:16:42. > :16:46.shift as well. Success can always look like a long-term challenge on

:16:47. > :16:53.many fronts. For many of the other 18 leers pursuing that cooperation.

:16:54. > :16:56.Take the European context, the new French president Emmanuel Macron and

:16:57. > :17:01.Germany's Angela Merkel are both looking to reassert a European

:17:02. > :17:04.leadership on international affairs and stability in Europe, despite

:17:05. > :17:10.Brexit. Indeed, Brexit has given them the opportunity. Consider the

:17:11. > :17:13.space for China, which wants to pursue a constructive diplomatic

:17:14. > :17:18.relationship with many countries, with Russia, with Europe, indeed,

:17:19. > :17:22.even with Latin America, and the opportunity it has. But, that said,

:17:23. > :17:29.in the case of Britain, to give an example, that effort is crippled, if

:17:30. > :17:31.not paralysed, by Britain almost innocent is withdrawing through

:17:32. > :17:40.Brexit from the European Union. -- almost in a sense.

:17:41. > :17:46.You say it is important that this meeting between Putin and Trump does

:17:47. > :17:51.not suck at the oxygen. Obviously we must wait and see what happens with

:17:52. > :17:55.that meeting but do you think that it is going to be a summit which is

:17:56. > :18:02.constructive around the broad issues? There is a double edged

:18:03. > :18:09.answer on this. And that is that the American administration, not Trump

:18:10. > :18:13.but the American defence Department wants to draw a line with the

:18:14. > :18:19.Russians. They want to say, look, stop suing this line with Ukraine,

:18:20. > :18:22.stop pursuing cyber warfare and interfering in elections including

:18:23. > :18:27.the US, stop an aggressive line in the middle age, let's talk

:18:28. > :18:33.co-operation. Trump himself simply wants the photo opportunity. I hate

:18:34. > :18:37.to be blunt but that is the case. He could work with Putin, he admires

:18:38. > :18:41.Putin. So today we will get handshakes and a lot of smiles from

:18:42. > :18:45.both men. The Russians benefit because it continues to bolster

:18:46. > :18:48.their position by playing the Americans, the US agency will have

:18:49. > :18:54.to go back to the drawing board and say where do we go from here. We've

:18:55. > :18:58.been talking about the way this place in the dynamic between the

:18:59. > :19:02.various T20 countries. What about the dynamic full Trump at home as he

:19:03. > :19:10.goes into this meeting. A great question. Again to be forthright,

:19:11. > :19:14.this meeting is a convenient diversion, and hopefully for Trump a

:19:15. > :19:22.lingering one from the troubles at home. The main story expanding will

:19:23. > :19:31.be the US investigation into Trump's possible connections with Russia in

:19:32. > :19:34.2016. But also he's failed to get any significant legislation through

:19:35. > :19:39.and has failed to repeal Obamacare. So he will get a couple of days to

:19:40. > :19:41.play at being leader and get a respite from that that next Monday

:19:42. > :19:48.we will be back into domestic matters. Vladimir Putin and Donald

:19:49. > :19:54.Trump diverged significantly on some of the most important issues that

:19:55. > :20:03.are facing us right now, such as what is happening in Syria and North

:20:04. > :20:11.Korea. Is there anyway, whatever their personal relationship is, that

:20:12. > :20:16.anything changes on that front. Is not Trump versus Putin, it is Putin,

:20:17. > :20:20.the Kremlin and the administration. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

:20:21. > :20:26.For instance on Syria the United States agencies will seek a

:20:27. > :20:32.reduction of violence and an effective partition of Syria. On

:20:33. > :20:36.North Korea, not just the US and Russia but also the Chinese who

:20:37. > :20:40.Putin met last weekend will all try to say let's step back from imminent

:20:41. > :20:44.military conflict, however provocative North Korea is trying to

:20:45. > :20:50.be, the broader issue is that when you take something like Russia's

:20:51. > :20:54.space in Europe and where Russia is challenging Nato and trying to

:20:55. > :21:01.undermine it, is there space to pull Putin back from that into a less

:21:02. > :21:05.hostile relationship? Thank you very much indeed for joining us,

:21:06. > :21:10.Professor Scott Lucas from Birmingham University. As we have

:21:11. > :21:16.been discussing the American and Russian presidents will hold their

:21:17. > :21:21.first face-to-face talks at the T20 later. Donald Trump says he does

:21:22. > :21:31.want to find ways to work with Vladimir Putin, what do Russians

:21:32. > :21:34.think of him. Less than before, it seems. One community that made him

:21:35. > :21:46.an honorary member has withdrawn that support. We find out why.

:21:47. > :22:51.When Donald Trump became president there were great expectations in

:22:52. > :22:57.Russia, are you disappointed in him. Yes. I understand he's in a very

:22:58. > :23:01.tough position because every time he says something, wants to improve

:23:02. > :23:03.relations with Russia, he is immediately accused of being a

:23:04. > :23:23.Russian stooge, a surrogate. Still to come the EU rejects a plea

:23:24. > :23:27.for help from Italy in dealing with thousands of migrants arriving at

:23:28. > :23:30.their shores. We'll talk about the situation with migrants and the

:23:31. > :23:32.bigger picture in terms of what can be done to deal with where they are

:23:33. > :23:39.going. Also "I give you my word

:23:40. > :23:42.I will look into this matter" - those where the words to residents

:23:43. > :23:45.and survivors of the Grenfell tower fire from Sir Martin Moore-Bick -

:23:46. > :23:48.the retired judge who will oversee He attended a meeting yesterday

:23:49. > :23:52.evening held by the Lancaster West Residents Association,

:23:53. > :23:54.where he denied that he'd been Sir Martin has already faced calls

:23:55. > :24:00.to resign over fears from residents that his remit

:24:01. > :24:03.for the inquiry will be too narrow. Here's a clip of from

:24:04. > :24:08.last night's meeting. I can't do more than assure you that

:24:09. > :24:12.I know what it is to be impartial. I've been a judge for 20 years,

:24:13. > :24:15.and I give you my word that I will look into this matter

:24:16. > :24:18.to the very best of my ability, and find the facts as I see

:24:19. > :24:21.them from the evidence. Now, if I can't satisfy

:24:22. > :24:29.you because you have some preconception about me as a person,

:24:30. > :24:31.that's up to you. At that meeting yesterday

:24:32. > :25:23.was Joe Delaney, he's a member He joins us now. It was a heated

:25:24. > :25:29.meeting. What is your thinking on it? Well, as you saw, I was giving

:25:30. > :25:33.Sir Martin Moore-Bick my opinion. I met him last week and I felt he came

:25:34. > :25:37.out and immediately spoke to the media and was quite dismissive of

:25:38. > :25:42.our calls for a wider inquiry than what he sees as its just being

:25:43. > :25:44.about. We don't want this reduced to simply being a debate about

:25:45. > :25:52.cladding. The issues are far wider than that. He hasn't said it will be

:25:53. > :25:57.just about cladding, has he? He's said he is determined, and I'm

:25:58. > :26:01.quoting from him, and determined to establish the causes of the tragedy

:26:02. > :26:04.and ensure appropriate lessons are learned. To do this the inquiry will

:26:05. > :26:09.need to examine all the circumstances leading up to the fire

:26:10. > :26:13.to understand its causes and prevent such a tragedy of a happening again.

:26:14. > :26:18.I want to hear from people directly affected by the fire and listen to

:26:19. > :26:22.their views on the shape of the work of the inquiry and the questions we

:26:23. > :26:28.should seek to answer. With those words he sounds open-minded in terms

:26:29. > :26:32.of the scope of the inquiry. In the Queen's Speech overpromised and

:26:33. > :26:39.opening inquiry -- and open inquiry along those lines and yet Sir Martin

:26:40. > :26:47.has said... Oh, dear, we have been put on hold! We will try to go back

:26:48. > :26:52.to Joe Delaney. I think, sorry, you went on hold momentarily, pick up

:26:53. > :26:56.where you were. Yes, sorry. As I said, in the Queen's Speech we were

:26:57. > :27:01.promised a wide inquiry along those lines. And then he said he had been

:27:02. > :27:06.told privately that the inquiry would be much narrower. Why isn't he

:27:07. > :27:09.willing to publish, for example all the correspondence between the Prime

:27:10. > :27:15.Minister 's office and himself concerning the inquiry? Why was he

:27:16. > :27:20.so dismissive of the reasonable concerns people made in smaller

:27:21. > :27:27.groups last week. He would not have faced such a sceptical crowd last

:27:28. > :27:31.night. At that meeting last night, she said "I cannot do more than to

:27:32. > :27:35.assure you I know what it is to be impartial. I have been a judge for

:27:36. > :27:39.20 years and I give you my word that I will look into this matter to the

:27:40. > :27:43.best of my ability and find the facts as I see them from my

:27:44. > :27:50.evidence. That is my job, that is my training, that is what I intend to

:27:51. > :27:55.do." It isn't a case of trust, it's more a case of him saying one thing

:27:56. > :28:01.and doing another. Why not give him some time to see what he does? I

:28:02. > :28:06.have given him time to see what he does. He was in a meeting with me

:28:07. > :28:09.last week. He said he had taken on board everything we said and then

:28:10. > :28:15.three hours later he spoke to the media and was dismissive of all of

:28:16. > :28:19.the residents our concerns. I understand he can't please everyone

:28:20. > :28:23.but the loose language he used last week and his choice of language last

:28:24. > :28:28.night doesn't elicit confidence. Rightly, this man is an advocate for

:28:29. > :28:34.50 odd years of his life. If he can't sell a simple case, one that

:28:35. > :28:40.he believes in, what fate should we have in him in general? He says his

:28:41. > :28:44.job is to be impartial, to get to the bottom of what has happened and

:28:45. > :28:49.he's absolutely open. He wants to hear from residents as to what they

:28:50. > :28:54.would like to look at in terms of the inquiry. Oh, we have gone back

:28:55. > :29:02.on hold. We will give it a moment in case it comes back like it did

:29:03. > :29:10.before. No. OK. We will try to fix that. A technical issue. We've tried

:29:11. > :29:14.to go back to Joe Delaney if we can. Still to come despite thousands of

:29:15. > :29:18.migrants arriving at Italian shores where the EU has rejected a plea

:29:19. > :29:22.from Italy for more help in growing with -- coping with growing numbers

:29:23. > :29:27.of migrants. And we will talk to this lorry driver. Watch these

:29:28. > :29:35.pictures, it is the lorry driver whose heroic actions averted a major

:29:36. > :29:39.disaster on a busy A Road. We'll talk to him about exactly what

:29:40. > :29:48.happened and what was going through his mind when that was happening.

:29:49. > :29:52.Let's catch up with all the news with Annita

:29:53. > :29:55.Tight security is in place in the German city of Hamburg

:29:56. > :29:58.for the start of the G-20 summit, after a night of violent

:29:59. > :30:03.clashes between riot police and anti-capitalist protesters.

:30:04. > :30:05.Items on the agenda will be trade, climate

:30:06. > :30:11.The American and Russian presidents will also meet for the first time

:30:12. > :30:14.and Theresa May will call on world leaders to work together to cut off

:30:15. > :30:23.what I'm doing here at the G20 is raising the need for us to work

:30:24. > :30:27.collectively, internationally, to deal with terrorist financing. Not

:30:28. > :30:31.just large sums of money financing terrorism, but also to find ways of

:30:32. > :30:35.working with the financial services, with banks and others, to identify

:30:36. > :30:37.those smaller scale transactions that can sometimes lead to terrorist

:30:38. > :30:38.activity. Citizens Advice is calling

:30:39. > :30:41.on ministers to stop the roll out of the new welfare benefit,

:30:42. > :30:43.Universal Credit. The charity says problems

:30:44. > :30:45.with the benefit are forcing people into debt,

:30:46. > :30:47.and say tens of thousands of people will face financial hardship

:30:48. > :30:52.unless improvements are made. Ministers insist the

:30:53. > :30:56.benefit is working. The World Health Organisation says

:30:57. > :30:59.gonorrhoea is getting much harder to treat -

:31:00. > :31:01.and it's essential that research is carried out to find

:31:02. > :31:08.new drugs and a vaccine. A study by the WHO in 77 countries

:31:09. > :31:12.suggests the sexually transmitted infection -

:31:13. > :31:14.which can cause infertility - is rapidly evolving

:31:15. > :31:16.resistance to antibiotics. They estimate that 78 million

:31:17. > :31:19.people pick up the disease The organisation representing NHS

:31:20. > :31:26.trusts in England says core mental health services

:31:27. > :31:28.are being overwhelmed A survey by NHS Providers also found

:31:29. > :31:34.more than three quarters of mental health trusts think extra

:31:35. > :31:37.money pledged at national level The Department of Health says

:31:38. > :31:43.there is a commitment to seeing A US hospital is offering to ship

:31:44. > :31:51.an experimental drug to the UK to help treat terminally-ill Charlie

:31:52. > :31:54.Gard. The hospital in New York

:31:55. > :31:56.also offered to admit the 11-month-old if "legal hurdles"

:31:57. > :32:01.can be cleared. Charlie's parents are at

:32:02. > :32:04.the centre of a lengthy legal battle with doctors

:32:05. > :32:06.at London's Great Ormond Street Hospital, who say the treatment

:32:07. > :32:10.would not help the boy. A new gallery will open

:32:11. > :32:12.in David Hockney's hometown of Bradford today -

:32:13. > :32:14.to coincide with his 80th The David Hockney Gallery,

:32:15. > :32:19.at Cartwright Hall, houses the largest public collection

:32:20. > :32:21.of his early artworks The display also includes family

:32:22. > :32:49.photos and previously unseen footage Let's join Jess for sports update.

:32:50. > :32:52.Johanna Konta and Andy Murray lead British hope that Wimbledon today as

:32:53. > :32:54.they take to the court in the third round. Konta is now the favourite

:32:55. > :33:04.with some bookmakers. She Heather Watson, Andy Murray and

:33:05. > :33:06.Aljaz Bedene are also in action. Seven time champion Roger Federer

:33:07. > :33:11.said he couldn't get rid of the nerves early in his match, but still

:33:12. > :33:17.made it through in straight sets against Lajovic. In his first match

:33:18. > :33:21.as England captain Joe Root hit 184 not out against South Africa in the

:33:22. > :33:26.opening test at Lord's. That innings rescued England, who lost early

:33:27. > :33:31.wickets. They resume on 357-5 in around half an hour. Chris Froome is

:33:32. > :33:34.still wearing the leader 's yellow jersey after what he described as

:33:35. > :33:39.one of the most relaxing days he'd ever had on the Tour de France. That

:33:40. > :33:50.is all the sport for now. Let me bring you some news from

:33:51. > :33:57.the... Some news from the G20's it in Hamburg. We hear Vladimir Putin

:33:58. > :34:02.and Donald Trump have met, they've already shaken hands. According to

:34:03. > :34:10.the Kremlin spokesman, who has said they will see each other later.

:34:11. > :34:14.Responding to the BBC, he said Putin had been informed of Trump's

:34:15. > :34:18.comments in Poland about Russia, he will bear them in mind for their

:34:19. > :34:22.meeting. He would not be drawn on how that might affect the

:34:23. > :34:24.atmosphere. Let's wait and see the results, he said, let's not get out

:34:25. > :34:29.of ourselves, the meeting hasn't happened yet. Asked whether Putin's

:34:30. > :34:34.sentiment was the same as Trump's on Twitter, that he was looking forward

:34:35. > :34:37.to meeting with lots to discuss, he said simply yes. They met, shaken

:34:38. > :34:42.hands, not sure whether there are any pictures. We haven't got any

:34:43. > :34:45.now, we're hoping there might be some pictures, we might get them a

:34:46. > :34:47.little bit later, if we do, we will bring them to you.

:34:48. > :34:49.Thousands of migrants are fleeing Libya by making the dangerous

:34:50. > :34:51.journey across the Mediterranean sea to Europe.

:34:52. > :34:54.It's estimated that so far this year more than 2,000 people have

:34:55. > :34:56.died while making the crossing, making this set to be

:34:57. > :34:59.Most of the migrants end up in Italy.

:35:00. > :35:12.80,000 have so far crossed this year, the numbers up 20% on last

:35:13. > :35:13.year. Most of the migrants

:35:14. > :35:15.end up in Italy. almost 13,000 migrants

:35:16. > :35:18.and refugees arrived. EU countries are being accused

:35:19. > :35:21.of failing to help Italy to cope, and it it is now threatening

:35:22. > :35:26.to close its ports to foreign ships. Steve Valdez-Symonds

:35:27. > :35:27.is here from Amnesty International. He's their Refugee and Migrant

:35:28. > :35:34.Rights Programme director. Annalisa Piras, is an Italian

:35:35. > :35:37.Journalist and Film-Maker who's been making a film about the migrant

:35:38. > :35:39.crisis, following this story And from the Mediteranean we can

:35:40. > :35:43.speak to Regina Catrambone the director of Migrant

:35:44. > :36:01.Offshore Aid Station - From the Italian perspective, how is

:36:02. > :36:06.this scene? This is increasingly looking not to like an EU migrant

:36:07. > :36:11.problem, but an Italian one. Huge numbers of migrants arriving in

:36:12. > :36:16.Italy. Italy is at breaking point. The situation is completely

:36:17. > :36:20.unsustainable. The local impact is devastating. There are all sorts of

:36:21. > :36:26.consequences. Italy has been left alone for seven years now. So there

:36:27. > :36:31.has been sometimes of doing something the EU operation Sophia is

:36:32. > :36:36.one of them. France and Germany are now starting to help a little bit

:36:37. > :36:41.more. There is some awareness. But the reality is that there is a fire

:36:42. > :36:46.going on in Italy and the neighbours are looking at the Garden of Italy,

:36:47. > :36:51.saying, it's the garden, it's not our problem. Well, actually, this is

:36:52. > :36:54.the problem of all European countries, and there needs to be

:36:55. > :36:58.much bigger awareness and a much bigger sense of responsibility and

:36:59. > :37:03.solidarity. Especially from the point of view of France and Britain,

:37:04. > :37:10.that intervened in Libya in 2011. And they somehow caused chaos going

:37:11. > :37:15.on now. Because let's not forget the problem is that Libya is a failed

:37:16. > :37:18.state and has become a launch platform for hundreds of thousands

:37:19. > :37:25.of people coming from all of Africa. There is a huge responsibility for

:37:26. > :37:28.other European countries. How do you see the situation with Italy saying

:37:29. > :37:33.we cannot cope, other countries need to open up their ports from other

:37:34. > :37:36.countries say they won't. Sending money to Italy to deal with the

:37:37. > :37:40.problem, but also sending money to Libya. What do you think about that

:37:41. > :37:44.approach? The problem we have is for many years there has been a failure

:37:45. > :37:50.of responsibility sharing across the globe, quite frankly. Certainly

:37:51. > :37:53.through Europe. Amnesty International certainly shares

:37:54. > :37:57.Italy's concerns that it's not being adequately supported by its European

:37:58. > :38:03.partners. The truth is, the fire is not in Europe, the fire is not in

:38:04. > :38:07.Italy, the fire appears in conflict and oppressive regimes and a failed

:38:08. > :38:11.state in Libya. Elsewhere. That is where people are being forced to

:38:12. > :38:16.flee. Let's not forget somewhere around 50% of the people fleeing out

:38:17. > :38:20.of Libya are people who went to Libya to work. They didn't go to

:38:21. > :38:23.Libya in the hope of travelling to Europe, they found themselves

:38:24. > :38:27.trapped in the very hostile and dangerous place where many people

:38:28. > :38:30.have been detained, tortured, enslaved. This is their only way

:38:31. > :38:36.out. Europe needs to come together to support Italy but it also needs

:38:37. > :38:39.to recognise that for those people getting into these boats there

:38:40. > :38:46.really are no choices for them. Search and rescue must be a

:38:47. > :38:50.priority. Regina, Italy, France and Germany have described the action by

:38:51. > :38:57.the NGOs you have boats in the waters just outside Libyan

:38:58. > :38:59.territory, sometimes it is claimed even in Libyan waters, as

:39:00. > :39:04.effectively creating a pull factor for refugees. This is a particularly

:39:05. > :39:12.busy time of the year for the refugees to be making this journey.

:39:13. > :39:17.What is it like in those waters? I can give you the perspective now.

:39:18. > :39:24.Because at the moment I'm talking to you and I'm in international waters.

:39:25. > :39:33.We are 20-25 miles from the Libyan shore. We have been here from the

:39:34. > :39:43.4th of July. We are patrolling since then. Our last rescue the 30th of

:39:44. > :39:46.June. 412 people under the coordination of the Italian

:39:47. > :40:00.coastguard were transferred from the Phoenix vessel, the vessel... To an

:40:01. > :40:06.Italian vessel. I don't believe the ships at sea are a factor, this has

:40:07. > :40:14.been proven in many discussions. Everybody again is talking about

:40:15. > :40:20.solidarity, Italy solidarity. And I believe it's very important.

:40:21. > :40:26.However, we need to discuss about the solidarity. Towards the people.

:40:27. > :40:32.That are dying out at sea. And continue to die on Europe's

:40:33. > :40:40.doorstep. We don't need to forget them. Every day, everybody talks

:40:41. > :40:45.about the migrants. But nobody talks with them, nobody listens to them.

:40:46. > :40:51.Here is the ship after the rescue. We take our time to collect their

:40:52. > :40:59.story, to talk with the people. This is very important. It's part of

:41:00. > :41:10.integration. Courage, empathy, mercy and solidarity need to be the

:41:11. > :41:19.kaleidoscope of our society. Today, Coldplay released an album in favour

:41:20. > :41:28.of all the people trying to survive. We want to thank them and all of the

:41:29. > :41:39.English people that continue to donate to us and believe in our

:41:40. > :41:43.effort. Annalisa, Regina is talking about empathy and solidarity and its

:41:44. > :41:47.importance. Italy, as you've been describing, under pressure as a

:41:48. > :41:52.result of the numbers going in. But what is the public perspective in

:41:53. > :41:59.Italy in terms of sympathy for the migrants? Well, I guess that it's

:42:00. > :42:03.very similar, in a more extreme way, to what is happening in the rest of

:42:04. > :42:07.Europe. This crisis has been going on for seven years. There is

:42:08. > :42:12.fatigue. People are turning their heads the other way. Italians cannot

:42:13. > :42:16.do that completely. Because they are faced with the direct consequences.

:42:17. > :42:23.Part of the population is exasperated. There are internal

:42:24. > :42:28.politics consequences, because populism is feasting on this

:42:29. > :42:33.situation with anti-migrant xenophobic policies. And then there

:42:34. > :42:39.is the other part of the people who actually feel sympathy and

:42:40. > :42:44.compassion, who are just absolutely exasperated, because they don't know

:42:45. > :42:50.what could be done by Italy alone. So there is a very widespread on

:42:51. > :42:57.both sides of the argument. Despair, really. What do you think, Steve,

:42:58. > :43:05.about the impact on politics within Europe? Is the sort of rise in

:43:06. > :43:12.xenophobic attitudes as a result of this? It's very troubling. She's

:43:13. > :43:17.quite right to point out just long this situation has been ongoing.

:43:18. > :43:19.It's certainly true over the last four years the numbers who made

:43:20. > :43:22.those crossings have been significant higher than years

:43:23. > :43:27.before. She's quite right, journeys across the central Mediterranean to

:43:28. > :43:31.Italy on many years old. The truth is, political leaders across Europe

:43:32. > :43:35.have largely refused to get to grips with that and refused to recognise

:43:36. > :43:40.that by simply putting all their efforts into trying to stop movement

:43:41. > :43:44.they have simply empowered more and more the very smuggling gangs they

:43:45. > :43:49.want to shut down. Because people who have no choice but to need to

:43:50. > :43:53.flee, whether from conflict, extreme poverty or chaos in Libya, they

:43:54. > :43:57.haven't got any choice. They have to take whatever option is available to

:43:58. > :44:00.them. Smugglers are the only people offering an option at the moment, so

:44:01. > :44:04.that is why they have been so empowered. That has escalated over

:44:05. > :44:07.several years and it's going to take a long time to tackle those

:44:08. > :44:11.smuggling gangs. The only way, ultimately, to do that, is to take

:44:12. > :44:15.away their business. It must mean to ensure many more people have the

:44:16. > :44:16.safe and legal routes they need. Alice joins us now.

:44:17. > :44:19.And Alice Gautreau is a midwife for Doctors Without Borders

:44:20. > :44:25.who is working on board a rescue ship.

:44:26. > :44:34.Tell us, what is it like on that ship, what you're doing? So I work

:44:35. > :44:40.on the Aquarius ship and I look after women and children who are

:44:41. > :44:48.taken off the sea into our boat. What are the stories you hear from

:44:49. > :44:54.the people you're helping? I think the stories that I hear cooperate

:44:55. > :45:00.very well with what this gentleman said. People are fleeing from

:45:01. > :45:08.terrible, terrible situations. Certainly being a woman in Libya

:45:09. > :45:12.sounds very, very dangerous and puts you at risk of a lot of violence.

:45:13. > :45:16.Being a black woman in Libya sounds even deadly and really, really

:45:17. > :45:23.dangerous as well. A quick final thought from you. We are hearing

:45:24. > :45:28.frustrations, all round, actually, about the way this situation is

:45:29. > :45:34.being dealt with. As things stand, the reality is migrants are going to

:45:35. > :45:37.Italy. With other countries refusing to open their ports, is there any

:45:38. > :45:43.chance Italy might say, well, that's enough, we'll close our ports?

:45:44. > :45:50.Where I've been making a film and this is the past two years so I know

:45:51. > :45:54.it is a very, very complex issue. But there are things that cannot

:45:55. > :45:58.really happen in the sense that... Italy cannot stop welcoming these

:45:59. > :46:03.people because it would be illegal to refuse to help people in need.

:46:04. > :46:09.The question is, how long will it take. How many more people will die,

:46:10. > :46:12.and will go through this horrendous journey before public opinion in

:46:13. > :46:25.Europe says enough is enough. I think that's the main thing.

:46:26. > :46:29.Because at the moment there seems to be a denial of this tragedy of

:46:30. > :46:31.biblical proportions that is happening there. So really the

:46:32. > :46:36.responsibility is with us to start saying we need to do something

:46:37. > :46:41.together collectively. Thank you very much.

:46:42. > :46:43.It's one of the mysteries of life - what really happens

:46:44. > :46:47.Well, we've asked three people who have experienced death

:46:48. > :46:50.in different ways to tell us what they remember in the time spent

:46:51. > :46:55.When I was 21, I bled to death, nearly.

:46:56. > :47:01.Early in the morning, two nurses came and asked me

:47:02. > :47:05.to follow them up these stairs to have a check.

:47:06. > :47:07.The doctor was going to come up and look at me.

:47:08. > :47:15.Sunday night came, which is when everything started.

:47:16. > :47:23.I walked towards the phone, something said, "You have

:47:24. > :47:27.I got through to the operator and we started talking.

:47:28. > :47:30.I explained to her about the severe chest pains that I had

:47:31. > :47:36.She told me to open the front door, sit down and just

:47:37. > :47:42.Two paramedics walked in, a man and a woman.

:47:43. > :47:44.And I remember her name, her name was Rebecca.

:47:45. > :47:58.I put my chin on to my right shoulder, and the next thing,

:47:59. > :48:06.My experience goes a number of years back, I was roughly 35.

:48:07. > :48:09.And a few friends decided we'd be going to visit the South of France

:48:10. > :48:19.And we're down by the side of the river.

:48:20. > :48:23.A few of us thought we'd just go into the river,

:48:24. > :48:31.Immediately, I stepped one step forward, and the next

:48:32. > :48:37.I'd gone right in the water, and it was a very powerful current.

:48:38. > :48:42.I'm being swept downstream, and I sink initially,

:48:43. > :48:47.and I come right up for a gulp of air.

:48:48. > :48:52.And the second time, I wasn't going to make it.

:48:53. > :48:56.I'm principal lecturer at the University of Hertfordshire.

:48:57. > :48:58.And I was formerly consultant nursing resuscitation

:48:59. > :49:01.I've had some involvement in some ground-breaking research

:49:02. > :49:04.into what is known as the near death experience of patients who have

:49:05. > :49:12.In that research, we conducted interviews with patients who had

:49:13. > :49:16.survived the cardiac arrest, and it's reasonable to say the vast

:49:17. > :49:20.majority of those patients who recovered didn't experience any

:49:21. > :49:34.However, there were a small number of patients who, when interviewed,

:49:35. > :49:41.were able to identify that they had these kind of experiences.

:49:42. > :49:45.What they recalled to me mostly was they had this

:49:46. > :49:53.I've looked up from my feet, and off in the distance is two

:49:54. > :50:02.And within a flash, I woke up in the back of the ambulance.

:50:03. > :50:10.Standing above me was Rebecca, the paramedic.

:50:11. > :50:13.She leant over me in the back of the ambulance.

:50:14. > :50:17.And I watched her come over me, and she tapped the clock.

:50:18. > :50:23.She said "We've had to resuscitate you."

:50:24. > :50:25.I was on the ceiling looking down at my body,

:50:26. > :50:31.And the two nurses were there, and they were calling out to me.

:50:32. > :50:39.But I wasn't outside the hospital, where I thought I was going to go.

:50:40. > :50:42.For some reason, I thought I was going to just be flying out

:50:43. > :50:53.But I was in this incredible golden light, like, I guess,

:50:54. > :50:56.if you could be inside the Sun, that is what it would look like.

:50:57. > :51:00.In the distance, this beautiful, more beautiful

:51:01. > :51:04.than you can imagine, pure, like diamond light shone.

:51:05. > :51:15.And I just started flying towards it, and...

:51:16. > :51:18.And the feeling of that was so much more love than what was

:51:19. > :51:23.Just, like, really feeling it when I talk about it.

:51:24. > :51:27.You realise that the moment of death is the most painless thing.

:51:28. > :51:29.It's the physicality that's the painful experience.

:51:30. > :51:31.The moment of death is the easiest thing, it's absolutely

:51:32. > :51:38.Because once you are physically dead, then you're in this

:51:39. > :51:48.amazing embrace of purity, of peace, of love.

:51:49. > :51:50.Part of what we're trying to do is to understand

:51:51. > :51:54.the scientific basis of how this can happen.

:51:55. > :52:01.How is it that the human mind, when by all known measurable things

:52:02. > :52:11.is able to visually see and record, and store, that memory

:52:12. > :52:16.into their brain, and then recall it some time later,

:52:17. > :52:19.when to all intents and purposes, they were what we would describe

:52:20. > :52:23.So we know that the normal electrical response in the brain

:52:24. > :52:26.stops between 30 and 60 seconds after the heart has stopped.

:52:27. > :52:28.We also know that the oxygen levels stop.

:52:29. > :52:31.We are going to do this work over a very long period of time.

:52:32. > :52:36.And probably in my lifetime, we won't get the answers.

:52:37. > :52:39.I've come around with my nose up on the ceiling tiles.

:52:40. > :52:49.And I felt myself fall backwards into my body.

:52:50. > :52:54.I now have the beautiful side and spiritualism that comes with it,

:52:55. > :52:57.but it has left me with a lot of legacies of the shock and trauma

:52:58. > :53:09.I'm now diagnosed with PTSD, military grade trauma PTSD.

:53:10. > :53:15.I felt myself falling, and kind of wishing I wasn't going back.

:53:16. > :53:30.You just know you're safe, in a way that you can never truly be

:53:31. > :53:44.You feel an all-pervading sense, I suppose you could sum it up

:53:45. > :53:50.as love, but peace would be a much more accurate description.

:53:51. > :53:52.The truth is that we probably just don't know.

:53:53. > :53:54.We don't know exactly at what point in the death

:53:55. > :53:58.process that patients, these people, this 10% of people

:53:59. > :54:00.who have near death experiences, we don't know exactly

:54:01. > :54:07.Being a pragmatic, scientific person, I will take the view

:54:08. > :54:13.that it is about how we interpret the information, how we interpret

:54:14. > :54:24.the data and the lens we view it through, based on our own belief

:54:25. > :54:31.systems, our own knowledge, our own skills and our own experiences.

:54:32. > :54:36.Three people talking about their near death experiences.

:54:37. > :54:38.Next, Russell Dagless was in his lorry ..

:54:39. > :54:43.When he looked out of his window he saw a van..

:54:44. > :54:45.Banging against the central reservation.

:54:46. > :54:49.he could see he was slumped in his seat.

:54:50. > :54:52.Russell then made a split second decision to do something about it.

:54:53. > :55:41.He got the van in a pincer movement and pinned it against the central

:55:42. > :55:46.reservation, the driver had become unconscious at the wheel. Russell

:55:47. > :55:49.managed to stop the van, and a car following on behind pulled up and

:55:50. > :55:54.paramedics were able to treat the driver of that fan. The Royal Humane

:55:55. > :56:00.Society has given Russell an award for his bravery. Says it was like a

:56:01. > :56:04.scene from an all action movie, you saved the life of the driver and his

:56:05. > :56:09.incredible courage also stopped a pile-up. So he has been awarded the

:56:10. > :56:10.highest life-saving honour. I am delighted to say that Russell joins

:56:11. > :56:17.me now. Russell, just explain what went

:56:18. > :56:22.through your mind when you were driving along and saw what happened

:56:23. > :56:27.with the van. Hello! Just something had to be done. I was just in a

:56:28. > :56:33.position where I was able to do it. I have the correct vehicle for the

:56:34. > :56:41.job. Were you worried or did you just go into action mode? Just went

:56:42. > :56:47.into instinct mode. It was just a natural reaction. No special thought

:56:48. > :56:52.about it. Just, something had to be done and I was the one put in that

:56:53. > :57:00.position. Someone had to do something. So you had seen the van

:57:01. > :57:04.at the head bumping against the central reservation and realised as

:57:05. > :57:09.you began to overtake that it looked as if the driver was unconscious.

:57:10. > :57:13.Describe what happened. I saw the van was out of control so I pulled

:57:14. > :57:17.up on his knee aside because I was in the fast lane up against the

:57:18. > :57:22.barrier. -- pulled up on his near side. From my elevated position I

:57:23. > :57:27.could see into his cab and saw he was collapsed at the wheel, he was

:57:28. > :57:31.resting on the driver's door. Not a lot of sign of movement from him so

:57:32. > :57:39.he was obviously in need of assistance. It has been described as

:57:40. > :57:45.being like something from an action movie. Which, when you see not only

:57:46. > :57:49.what you did that then the others jumping on your trailer to rescue

:57:50. > :57:55.the man inside, that is what it looks like, is that what it felt

:57:56. > :57:59.like? It did not really sort of feel anything at that time, it was just

:58:00. > :58:05.what was necessary at the time. I mean, looking back on it now, I

:58:06. > :58:09.suppose you could class it as something like a film, or what have

:58:10. > :58:15.you but it certainly wasn't staged at the time, I can assure you! I'm

:58:16. > :58:19.sure. You did a great thing. Thank you for joining us. Hope you have a

:58:20. > :58:23.lovely weekend. The same to you at home. Hope you have a lovely

:58:24. > :58:24.weekend, enjoy the sunshine if you have it.