07/08/2017

:00:11. > :00:18.Good morning. Monday, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The top story, a British

:00:19. > :00:23.model allegedly kidnapped and held in Milan for six days has spoken

:00:24. > :00:27.about her experience. Police in Italy say 20-year-old Chloe Ayling

:00:28. > :00:29.was abducted and drugs before attempts were made to sell her in an

:00:30. > :00:38.online auction. TRANSLATION: He is dangerous because

:00:39. > :00:40.the victim was dropped. As soon as she was kidnapped, let's say she was

:00:41. > :00:43.injected with ketamine. Also on the programme -

:00:44. > :00:50.we can reveal that 32 children between the ages of 3 and 5

:00:51. > :00:53.were referred to the NHS last year because they're

:00:54. > :00:55.unhappy with the gender. following Lily and Jessica -

:00:56. > :01:00.two of the UK's youngest transgender children -

:01:01. > :01:12.since 2015 and will bring Has anybody being mean to you? Yes,

:01:13. > :01:16.this person. They said you will not be a very good woman, you should

:01:17. > :01:17.just be a man. And that really upset me.

:01:18. > :01:20.That full report in the next 15 mins or so.

:01:21. > :01:26.And an American NHS doctor tells this programme he's been separated

:01:27. > :01:34.from his family because of a mix up over his visa which means

:01:35. > :01:37.adopted sons were prevented from joining him in Birmingham -

:01:38. > :01:40.even though his birth son was allowed to move to the UK

:01:41. > :01:47.It was scary for them because they were fingerprinted and put in a

:01:48. > :01:53.holding cell, a nice holding cell, but they knew they were being

:01:54. > :01:56.detained. We are completely separated and we cannot make plans.

:01:57. > :01:58.Half the family is gone and I have no idea when they are going to be

:01:59. > :02:03.back. Welcome to the programme,

:02:04. > :02:09.we're live until 11. Later on, we'll hear

:02:10. > :02:11.about the Google employee who says biological differences

:02:12. > :02:13.between the way men and women are wired is the reason

:02:14. > :02:18.there are so few women in tech jobs. The guy says women tend to prefer

:02:19. > :02:21.jobs in social or artistic Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:02:22. > :02:35.and If you text, you will be charged Plus were the crowd at the london

:02:36. > :02:40.stadium right to boo Justin Gatlin on Sat night,

:02:41. > :02:44.and sort of boo when he was handed his gold medal for winning

:02:45. > :02:51.the 100m last night? she kidnapped for almost a week

:02:52. > :02:59.in Milan has returned to the UK. Chloe Ayling says she feared

:03:00. > :03:03.for her life "second by second" and claims she was drugged,

:03:04. > :03:06.stuffed in a suitcase and threatened with being sold as a sex

:03:07. > :03:08.slave after being booked Italian police say the model was

:03:09. > :03:16.attacked and drugged by two people. She had travelled to Milan

:03:17. > :03:23.for a photo shoot, but it was bogus and the young woman was abducted

:03:24. > :03:26.and held here, an abandoned shop Italian police say the 20-year-old

:03:27. > :03:31.British model was attacked TRANSLATION: The victim

:03:32. > :03:36.was doped with ketamine, then she was locked in a bag

:03:37. > :03:40.and carried for hours in a car. Think what could have happened

:03:41. > :03:42.if she suffered from asthma. It's thought that she was bundled

:03:43. > :03:46.into the boot of this vehicle. They believe she was taken

:03:47. > :03:49.to a remote mountain cottage near Turin, and say she spent much

:03:50. > :03:54.of her week-long ordeal handcuffed Her kidnapper is alleged to have

:03:55. > :03:59.tried to sell her for sex on the internet, and demanded

:04:00. > :04:01.a ransom of nearly But after six days,

:04:02. > :04:07.she was released and taken This man, Lukasz Herba,

:04:08. > :04:10.a 30-year-old Polish national living in Britain,

:04:11. > :04:29.has been arrested by Italian police. Jessica Parker is here. What else do

:04:30. > :04:33.we know? She has been speaking this morning, the victim, Chloe Ayling,

:04:34. > :04:37.about her terrifying ordeal saying she feared for her life second by

:04:38. > :04:43.second, minute by minute, hour by hour. Police in Italy say she was

:04:44. > :04:49.handcuffed to a chest of drawers for six days and we know officers are

:04:50. > :04:54.saying they have arrested a Polish national on kidnapping charges and a

:04:55. > :05:02.spokesman for West Midlands Police said an address in Oldbury in the

:05:03. > :05:07.West Midlands has been raided. The National Crime Agency say a special

:05:08. > :05:12.unit has provided support for the Italian authorities. It is an

:05:13. > :05:16.ongoing investigation. Italian prosecutors telling us the details

:05:17. > :05:20.of this case that Chloe Ayling was allegedly attacked by two men before

:05:21. > :05:26.being dropped with ketamine and locked in a bag before she was taken

:05:27. > :05:30.to a house in the mountains. Why did they let her go? There is

:05:31. > :05:33.speculation about this but an ongoing investigation and we expect

:05:34. > :05:39.more details over the coming hours and days. One theory is they

:05:40. > :05:40.discovered she had a young child but as Jessica said, more details to

:05:41. > :05:40.come. Joanna is in the BBC

:05:41. > :05:42.Newsroom with a summary This programme can exclusively

:05:43. > :05:46.reveal that the number of children aged 10 and under

:05:47. > :05:49.who are being referred to the NHS because they're unhappy

:05:50. > :05:51.with their biological gender, has more than doubled over

:05:52. > :05:54.the last two years - This includes 32 children aged 5

:05:55. > :06:00.or younger who have been Transgender is a term used

:06:01. > :06:04.to describe a person who doesn't identify as the gender

:06:05. > :06:07.that was assigned to them at birth - they may wish to be seen

:06:08. > :06:10.as a different gender or no gender And we'll bring you exclusive news

:06:11. > :06:21.with two of the UK's youngest transgender children -

:06:22. > :06:22.whose stories we have been following over

:06:23. > :06:24.the last two and a half Thousands of commuters

:06:25. > :06:28.are having their journeys disrupted today because of major improvement

:06:29. > :06:30.work at Britain's busiest railway More than half of its platforms

:06:31. > :06:34.are closed so they can be extended Network Rail has warned

:06:35. > :06:37.of "challenging days" Security forces in Venezuela

:06:38. > :06:42.are searching for 10 men who escaped with weapons after they tried

:06:43. > :06:45.to storm an army base The President Nicolas Maduro

:06:46. > :06:49.congratulated the army for successfully stopping

:06:50. > :06:51.the assault - although two Earlier, a video posted on social

:06:52. > :07:00.media showed uniformed men saying they were rising

:07:01. > :07:02.against a murderous tyranny. Venezuela has grown used

:07:03. > :07:05.to rebellion, but this A small group of men

:07:06. > :07:08.in military uniform openly This is a civic and military action

:07:09. > :07:21.to restore constitutional order and save the country from total

:07:22. > :07:24.destruction, to stop the murders As members of the military,

:07:25. > :07:30.we demand that the will of the people be recognised to free

:07:31. > :07:32.themselves of tyranny. Any hopes of an uprising

:07:33. > :07:37.were quickly deflated, though. Venezuelan authorities claim

:07:38. > :07:39.to have foiled the attack within a couple of hours,

:07:40. > :07:41.with two men killed The regional military commander

:07:42. > :07:49.described it as a terrorist paramilitary attack paid

:07:50. > :07:54.for by right-wing political groups. With a raised fist,

:07:55. > :07:57.and chants of loyalty to the socialist homeland,

:07:58. > :08:00.order was restored. But this is now the second

:08:01. > :08:02.small-scale rebellion In June, a police commando stole

:08:03. > :08:09.a helicopter and threw grenades This latest uprising,

:08:10. > :08:18.while short-lived, may offer a glimmer of hope to those leading

:08:19. > :08:22.daily protests, that some soldiers, as well as civilians,

:08:23. > :08:23.share the discontent In his address to the nation,

:08:24. > :08:27.the man himself looked I want to congratulate

:08:28. > :08:35.the armed forces for the immediate reaction they had against

:08:36. > :08:39.the terrorist attack. A week ago, we beat them

:08:40. > :08:42.with votes, and today we beat All this on the weekend Venezuela's

:08:43. > :08:48.new constituent assembly held its first session,

:08:49. > :08:49.after last Sunday's It was justified as the only way

:08:50. > :08:56.to unite this divided country. So far, there is little sign of that

:08:57. > :09:02.goal being achieved. Brazilian police say a British woman

:09:03. > :09:05.has been shot and wounded Officials say a couple

:09:06. > :09:11.and their three children were targeted by an armed group

:09:12. > :09:14.after taking a wrong turn. The woman's condition isn't thought

:09:15. > :09:19.to be life threatening. New laws which will give people more

:09:20. > :09:22.control over what happens to their personal data online

:09:23. > :09:31.are to be introduced. The government bills the changes as

:09:32. > :09:35.the right to be forgotten and people will be able to ask for personal

:09:36. > :09:36.data or things posted as children to be deleted.

:09:37. > :09:45.A Google employee's opinion, which criticised the tech giant's

:09:46. > :09:55.Executives at Google have denounced an internal memo in which an

:09:56. > :09:58.employee criticises the company's policy on diversity. The mail

:09:59. > :10:02.software engineer argued that the lack of females in top Tech jobs was

:10:03. > :10:13.due to biological differences between men and women.

:10:14. > :10:20.Staff have been told to only speak English the health and safety

:10:21. > :10:23.reasons and that it was the official language of the company. Sports

:10:24. > :10:24.Direct said there was no ban on Welsh being spoken and was looking

:10:25. > :10:26.into what had happened. Jeremy Clarkson has said he won't be

:10:27. > :10:28.back at work for quite some time after being

:10:29. > :10:30.diagnosed with pneumonia. The former Top Gear presenter

:10:31. > :10:33.was admitted to hospital in Majorca, where he's on holiday

:10:34. > :10:36.with his family. He said it was the first

:10:37. > :10:39.time he'd been off sick since he started working in 1978,

:10:40. > :10:41.and thanked fans for That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:42. > :10:52.News - more at 9.30am. We have some messages and Helen says

:10:53. > :10:57.as a parent of a transgender child I am pleased to their programmes like

:10:58. > :11:02.yours that show our kids in a human and nonsense facial ice way and I

:11:03. > :11:05.find it offensive when others say my trans-son is mentally ill when they

:11:06. > :11:11.know nothing about him. He is amazing. We are getting messages

:11:12. > :11:15.like this Anthony, I'm sorry, at that age, in my humble opinion,

:11:16. > :11:20.children go through phases where they like to play as the opposite

:11:21. > :11:26.sex. How many boys used to try dressing up with high heel shoes and

:11:27. > :11:31.do not forget the term tomboy. I imagine it is the easy these days in

:11:32. > :11:36.which people are quick to put a label on things. And mermaid, a

:11:37. > :11:40.support group for transgender people and families say it is a shame that

:11:41. > :11:44.people not affected by this feel they have a right to criticise.

:11:45. > :11:47.Sarah says, nice to see people saying kids do not know at this age

:11:48. > :11:53.when they know nothing about the issue. We know, we just know whether

:11:54. > :11:58.we are a boy or girl. You just do. It is not weird, it is part of

:11:59. > :12:02.nature, which makes mistakes at times it has such variety. The film

:12:03. > :12:07.in the next couple of minutes follows Lily and Jessica, not their

:12:08. > :12:10.real names, children who have transitioned socially in the last

:12:11. > :12:12.couple of years and we have followed them since January 20 15.

:12:13. > :12:33.The Usain Bolt and Justin Gatlin row, anybody who missed it, Justin

:12:34. > :12:42.Gatlin received brewing last night when he was given his gold medal.

:12:43. > :12:46.This is what he faced. The world champion, representing the United

:12:47. > :12:51.States of America, Justin Gatlin. Make of it what you will, he pulled

:12:52. > :12:56.off the shock win to end Usain Bolt's rein in the final individual

:12:57. > :13:02.race and it has divided people. Those unhappy because Americans

:13:03. > :13:09.serve -- the Americans serve two vans. Sebastian Coe said he had not

:13:10. > :13:13.broken any rules and was allowed to compete. Usain Bolt, one of the most

:13:14. > :13:21.famous stars, finished third and got the bronze medal. Better news for

:13:22. > :13:27.Jessica Ennis-Hill, the retired athlete did not have to work up a

:13:28. > :13:37.sweat to get gold medal, after a Russian jug drug -- drug cheat was

:13:38. > :13:45.deposed. So an upgrade from a silver medal to a gold for Jessica. They

:13:46. > :13:49.could not be a better time to receive the medal than at the time

:13:50. > :13:55.but I am thankful it has been here and I have been able to say goodbye

:13:56. > :13:59.one last time. I felt I had not forgotten an ounce of feeling how it

:14:00. > :14:03.felt five years ago, stepping out into the stadium, but I had kind of

:14:04. > :14:07.forgotten about feeling a little bit and standing here and hearing the

:14:08. > :14:14.crowd again brought it flooding back and that is why it was so emotional.

:14:15. > :14:19.I love seeing a pregnant woman on top of the podium getting a medal in

:14:20. > :14:23.the middle of an athletic Stadium. I have to agree, being pregnant

:14:24. > :14:31.myself? Are you?

:14:32. > :14:35.I am. Six months. Congratulations. You so don't look it! Oh, my gosh.

:14:36. > :14:48.Congratulations. A couple of British competitors

:14:49. > :14:52.disappointed. Katarina Johnson-Thompson, disappointment.

:14:53. > :14:56.Many talked about her being the successor to Jessica Ennis-Hill. She

:14:57. > :15:02.finished fifth in the heptathlon and hopes of a medal began with a poor

:15:03. > :15:06.high jump, one of her best events. She did not pick it up in the

:15:07. > :15:10.hundred metres but she perform better in three events yesterday and

:15:11. > :15:16.was second in the 800 metres heat but she left herself too far behind.

:15:17. > :15:21.More disappointment for Holly Bradshaw, who came sixth in the pole

:15:22. > :15:26.vaults. She cleared what would have been a bronze medal but missed on

:15:27. > :15:30.the count back, so not great. Staying positive, on Monday. There

:15:31. > :15:42.is still a lot for them to work on and sometimes your

:15:43. > :15:45.biggest setbacks are your biggest strengths and they may come back

:15:46. > :15:48.learning lots of lessons. The football season is up and running,

:15:49. > :15:50.which is all wrong in my view! Let's talk about the Community Shield and

:15:51. > :15:55.penalty rules. We are going to talk about Abba, the new format for

:15:56. > :16:03.taking penalties. It is like tie-breaks in tennis. Team A takes

:16:04. > :16:09.the first penalty and then TB takes the next two and it goes on and and

:16:10. > :16:14.this is in place of the old system where it flip-flopped. Each team

:16:15. > :16:20.takes a penalty. The old system. It is thought to make the act of

:16:21. > :16:24.penalties more fair because one team is always catching up with the old

:16:25. > :16:30.system. If you are still confused, I am a little bit. This is how it

:16:31. > :16:35.works in practice. The match ended 1-1. We went to a shoot out. The

:16:36. > :16:42.captain had no problem with his penalty. Arsenal took the next two.

:16:43. > :16:46.Theo Walcott there. He sent the Chelsea keeper the wrong way.

:16:47. > :16:54.Chelsea missed back-to-back penalties. Which was bad for them,

:16:55. > :16:59.obviously. This allowed Olivier Giroud to win the match from the

:17:00. > :17:03.spot for Arsenal, who kick off the Premier League on Friday and they

:17:04. > :17:08.will take on Leicester in the Community Shield at the Emirates.

:17:09. > :17:14.This morning, exclusive interviews with two of the UKs youngest

:17:15. > :17:17.This morning, exclusive interviews with two of the UK's youngest

:17:18. > :17:18.transgender children whose stories we've been

:17:19. > :17:20.following over the last two and a half years.

:17:21. > :17:24.This programme can reveal that the number of children aged ten

:17:25. > :17:27.and under who are being referred to the NHS because they're unhappy

:17:28. > :17:30.with their biological gender has more than doubled over the last two

:17:31. > :17:35.This includes 32 children aged five or younger who have been

:17:36. > :17:41."Transgender" is a term used to describe a person who doesn't

:17:42. > :17:43.identify as the gender that was assigned to them

:17:44. > :17:55.They may wish to be seen as a different gender

:17:56. > :17:59.We first met "Lily" who's now nine and "Jessica" who's now ten

:18:00. > :18:01.in January 2015 and have followed them ever since.

:18:02. > :18:03.We're not using their real names, showing their faces

:18:04. > :18:10.Can you remember when you were being treated as a boy why you wanted

:18:11. > :18:21.I wanted to just see how it looked and see if anyone laughed or not.

:18:22. > :19:13.and now all of year four, and so on. clothes and then all of year three

:19:14. > :19:17.I feel 99% girl and 1% boy, because I imagine when I was a boy

:19:18. > :19:20.I always had to complain and say, "Oh, I don't want

:19:21. > :19:24.But now I'm a girl I'm like, "Yeah, I get to put tights on and dresses

:19:25. > :19:28.And sometimes a scrunchy, you know, the big hair bobbles.

:19:29. > :19:39.I'm on my slowest gear. Why do they have the extra bit?

:19:40. > :19:45.I think things, since we last saw you, this year's been a lot

:19:46. > :19:51.Obviously last year Lilly transitioned socially

:19:52. > :19:55.to start living as a girl, and that was quite a difficult year.

:19:56. > :19:58.But really this year it's just been carrying on, and she's

:19:59. > :20:05.just very happy now, she's very settled.

:20:06. > :20:08.She's got a great group of friends and just is a very happy girl now.

:20:09. > :20:11.I suppose our main change we've had through this year

:20:12. > :20:14.is we've moved house, so we're living in a community now

:20:15. > :20:18.on a new estate and getting to know different people,

:20:19. > :20:23.and there's always dilemmas there about how much to tell people

:20:24. > :20:26.and who to share this with, and should we, or should we just

:20:27. > :20:34.So as much as part of you wants to educate everyone and tell

:20:35. > :20:37.everybody and try and help people understand, at the same time we've

:20:38. > :20:40.got to think about her future, what she would want,

:20:41. > :20:44.and she doesn't want to always be known as the trans child,

:20:45. > :20:46.so I guess that's a dilemma that we face.

:20:47. > :21:01.Yeah, so at school sometimes people say, "What's it like having

:21:02. > :21:11.And I just say it's got normal and it's just fine over the years,

:21:12. > :21:13.I've just adapted to it, it's just like I've got

:21:14. > :21:16.a normal sister and I've had her like that forever.

:21:17. > :21:18.The worst that's happened is someone's asked me, "Oh,

:21:19. > :21:21.you have a transgender sister," in a sarky way, but it didn't

:21:22. > :21:26.What do you think, when you go to secondary school,

:21:27. > :21:29.which will be soon, do you think it might be an issue,

:21:30. > :21:35.I'm pretty prepared for anything, really, for people to be

:21:36. > :21:38.asking me questions, and I'll just reply the same way

:21:39. > :21:56.I was playing a mouse, and it was the Pied Piper of Hamlin.

:21:57. > :21:58.So you were aged seven and then, weren't you?

:21:59. > :22:03.And so the next year, I look very different.

:22:04. > :22:05.You look much more grown-up, don't you?

:22:06. > :22:14.Can you think of some words that describe how you feel

:22:15. > :22:22.Well, I enjoy it a lot when I'm dancing on stage with my friends.

:22:23. > :22:25.And I just like it how we all just do it together.

:22:26. > :22:29.Do you feel like them, do you feel different?

:22:30. > :22:42.So tell me what makes you happiest at the moment?

:22:43. > :22:47.Being in a lovely home, being in a lovely school.

:22:48. > :22:56.Everyone's always looking after me and caring.

:22:57. > :23:08.People not being kind, or when I see people being bullied.

:23:09. > :23:20.Yeah, there's this person, and they're just being really mean.

:23:21. > :23:29.They said, "You won't be a very good woman, you should just be a man."

:23:30. > :23:36.Because you know when you grow up you will be a proper woman?

:23:37. > :23:52.I'm not going to end up being a boy forever,

:23:53. > :23:55.because I will be a girl, and I know that.

:23:56. > :23:59.I get a bit annoyed and angry because I don't like it and I can't

:24:00. > :24:09.So these are your teeth, right? So they need to stay in place.

:24:10. > :24:21.Why don't we cut that out and then we scoop another pumpkin out?

:24:22. > :24:23.She's excited, she loves school, she was so excited

:24:24. > :24:31.After the holidays, that was good, wasn't it?

:24:32. > :24:33.She's doing well academically, she's having some ups-and-downs

:24:34. > :24:41.The hormones are starting to kick in.

:24:42. > :24:57.Yeah, she could be happy one minute and then just snap into the darkest,

:24:58. > :25:02.And then occasionally she'll bring up, you know,

:25:03. > :25:05."When I grow up, I'm going to live alone because nobody

:25:06. > :25:10.will want to live with me because I'm trans."

:25:11. > :25:17.You know, they should be children, they should be allowed to just

:25:18. > :25:25.I just want everything to just go smoothly and normal for her,

:25:26. > :25:48.Thank you very much for talking to us again, how are you?

:25:49. > :26:01.School, mainly. We broke up from school.

:26:02. > :26:06.It was cool, I don't really see a lot of my friends

:26:07. > :26:12.Do your friends talk to you ever about you living your life

:26:13. > :26:15.as a boy in the past, or not any more?

:26:16. > :26:22.Everybody accepts you and just gets on with it?

:26:23. > :26:31.I'd rather them not mention it than always talk about it.

:26:32. > :26:39.Have you thought about whether, when you go to secondary school,

:26:40. > :26:43.will you tell people that you used to live as a boy, or will

:26:44. > :26:48.I won't mention it, but if it comes up I probably will say, you know...

:26:49. > :26:57.I'm not going to say, "Hey, hey, hey, guess what?

:26:58. > :27:02.I'm just going to like, if someone mentions it,

:27:03. > :27:23.Quite a while since we last chatted, so tell me what progress Jessica has

:27:24. > :27:30.Academically, she's exceeding her age group.

:27:31. > :27:38.She wasn't as happy last time when we saw you,

:27:39. > :27:39.but she's a lot happier now, isn't she?

:27:40. > :27:45.I think probably since we've been to the clinic in London,

:27:46. > :27:47.the gender clinic for kids, she's probably felt

:27:48. > :28:00.And her worry is that she's turning into a boy,

:28:01. > :28:02.that puberty will mean she's going to turn into a boy?

:28:03. > :28:05.I remember last time she was talking about worrying about growing a beard

:28:06. > :28:07.and things like that, but they've said, look, at

:28:08. > :28:14.Yeah, she was really, really worried about that,

:28:15. > :28:16.but that's sort of been alleviated now.

:28:17. > :28:21.Lily's good, she's had a good year, very happy at school.

:28:22. > :28:23.Friendships are good, she's got a good group of friends.

:28:24. > :28:29.And when we first met you two years ago, could you ever have imagined

:28:30. > :28:32.you saying in the future, "Yeah, she's really happy,

:28:33. > :28:34.she's doing really well, she's got friends, it's not really

:28:35. > :28:39.I don't know, I guess you hope for that.

:28:40. > :28:41.When you're at that early stage, you don't know how

:28:42. > :28:45.And you still don't know how it's going to play out.

:28:46. > :28:50.There's still a minute chance, really, that when puberty does start

:28:51. > :28:53.that she could go back and say, "Actually, I don't feel

:28:54. > :29:00.Yeah, I do sometimes check in with Lily and say,

:29:01. > :29:05."Do you think you'll ever want to be the boy again,"

:29:06. > :29:07.and she's immediately, "No," she's very sure.

:29:08. > :29:11.She's always been, I've never seen any signs of not being sure,

:29:12. > :29:14.so I'd be very surprised if that happens, but you don't know, do you?

:29:15. > :29:24.Has it been harder for you for your female partner to transition

:29:25. > :29:27.to a man than for your son to transition to a girl?

:29:28. > :29:35.For Jessica, I'm her mum, I'm going to love her regardless.

:29:36. > :29:39.But, you know, I chose Alex when he was female,

:29:40. > :29:48.And I wouldn't want Alex any other way, if this is what's

:29:49. > :29:53.But it just took a little bit of adjustment for me to come

:29:54. > :30:02.Since we first spoke to you and broadcast the film

:30:03. > :30:05.on our programme two years ago, which was picked up by all

:30:06. > :30:08.the national newspapers, it was on the front pages of various

:30:09. > :30:10.tabloids and broadsheets the next day, what do you think has

:30:11. > :30:24.There's been a lot more coverage, I think of trans, especially

:30:25. > :30:27.trans children issues, which I think has been

:30:28. > :30:31.brilliant and has hopefully helped a lot of families.

:30:32. > :30:33.It helped us watching especially the American stuff that I tapped

:30:34. > :30:36.into when I was looking for information, so I think

:30:37. > :30:41.One thing that's changed is that people have a better understanding

:30:42. > :30:44.now, the education is coming through as well that kids

:30:45. > :30:49.aren't changing sex, so to speak, at such a young age.

:30:50. > :30:51.They're not having surgeries, as it's been reported,

:30:52. > :30:54.So the truth, I guess, is coming out.

:30:55. > :30:57.It's not as sensationalised as it once was.

:30:58. > :31:01.Although there are still people, and there will be people

:31:02. > :31:03.watching you right now, who say, "Your kids are still too

:31:04. > :31:12.I think if you've lived with a child, as we have, my child,

:31:13. > :31:18.Lily, from the age of two probably upwards, is so happy now

:31:19. > :31:21.as a female, and everyone around her who knows her can see how

:31:22. > :31:24.much more confident and happy she is, she's just how she is now,

:31:25. > :31:31.When you think about the future for your girls,

:31:32. > :31:42.Jessica's really quite vocal about wanting to be a teacher,

:31:43. > :31:45.so she's already said to me that she wants to go to university,

:31:46. > :32:01.She's grown up so much in the last year.

:32:02. > :32:04.I have every faith that she's going to have a happy life.

:32:05. > :32:08.I think I feel fortunate that it's not ten years ago,

:32:09. > :32:11.and I always remember that and think, even five years ago

:32:12. > :32:14.I think things were so different, so I'm very grateful that we're

:32:15. > :32:21.I know we've still got a long way to go, but I think it's

:32:22. > :32:23.getting a lot better, so fingers crossed

:32:24. > :32:42.More on this after 10am this morning.

:32:43. > :32:47.I can media e-mails. Kim says I wish people would stop underestimating

:32:48. > :32:52.the knowledge and intelligence of children. People who have no

:32:53. > :32:56.understanding are in no position to pass judgment, and there is a

:32:57. > :33:00.massive difference between tomboy and transgender. I wish there had

:33:01. > :33:05.been more openness and support many years ago, but I am glad things are

:33:06. > :33:11.progressing and thanks to your programme for highlighting this. Jan

:33:12. > :33:14.said one day humans will realise it is individuality that matters and

:33:15. > :33:19.not plumbing. The children present as they want to without peer

:33:20. > :33:24.pressure or parental or social conditioning. There are tomboy 's

:33:25. > :33:28.boys who like dressing up in high heels, good for them, they are

:33:29. > :33:33.expressing individuality. Do not put anyone in a pigeonhole until they

:33:34. > :33:39.choose it. And after ten we will speak to a doctor from the NHS's

:33:40. > :33:45.only identity clinic for under 18 's, the Tavistock. Pressure is

:33:46. > :33:46.mounting on North Korea to end this our tests. Will sanctions force them

:33:47. > :33:49.to take action? Was it right for sprinter,

:33:50. > :33:53.Justin Gatlin, who's twice been suspended for doping,

:33:54. > :33:57.to be booed as he collected his gold medal at the athletics World

:33:58. > :34:03.Championships? We will talk to two former athletics

:34:04. > :34:06.champions. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:34:07. > :34:08.with a summary of today's news. A 20-year-old British model who says

:34:09. > :34:12.she kidnapped for almost a week Chloe Ayling says she feared

:34:13. > :34:20.for her life "second by second" and claims she was drugged,

:34:21. > :34:23.stuffed in a suitcase and threatened with being sold as a sex

:34:24. > :34:25.slave after being booked Italian police say the model was

:34:26. > :34:33.attacked and drugged by two people. A Polish man who lives in the UK has

:34:34. > :34:37.been arrested on kidnapping charges. This programme can exclusively

:34:38. > :34:39.reveal that the number of children aged 10 and under

:34:40. > :34:42.who are being referred to the NHS because they're unhappy

:34:43. > :34:44.with their biological gender, has more than doubled over

:34:45. > :34:46.the last two years - This includes 32 children aged 5

:34:47. > :34:50.or younger who have been Transgender is a term used

:34:51. > :34:54.to describe a person who doesn't identify as the gender

:34:55. > :34:57.that was assigned to them at birth - they may wish to be seen

:34:58. > :35:09.as a different gender or no gender New laws which will give people more

:35:10. > :35:12.control over what happens to personal data online are to be

:35:13. > :35:17.introduced. The government bills the changes as the right to be forgotten

:35:18. > :35:19.and people will be able to ask for personal data or material posted

:35:20. > :35:21.when they were children to be deleted.

:35:22. > :35:24.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.00.

:35:25. > :35:37.At the world athletics Championships cheers for Jessica Ennis-Hill he was

:35:38. > :35:42.awarded a gold medal but booing for Justin Gatlin. An upgrade from

:35:43. > :35:46.silver to a gold medal for Jessica Ennis-Hill from the 2011 World

:35:47. > :35:51.Championships after the top prize was stripped from a Russian for

:35:52. > :35:55.doping, but not as friendly for Justin Gatlin as he picked up the

:35:56. > :35:59.gold medal after beating Usain Bolt in the 100 metre men's final.

:36:00. > :36:07.Arsenal beat Chelsea 4-1 on penalties to win the Community

:36:08. > :36:19.Shield. The penalty shoot out was played under the doomed Abba format.

:36:20. > :36:24.England resume on 200 and 48-2, leading by 360 runs. South Korea's

:36:25. > :36:31.IK Kim is the women's new British Open champion as she held off a

:36:32. > :36:37.spirited challenge to win the title by two shots.

:36:38. > :36:39.More on the 20-year-old British model who says

:36:40. > :36:47.Chloe Ayling says she feared for her life "second by second"

:36:48. > :36:50.and says she was drugged, stuffed in a suitcase and threatened

:36:51. > :36:53.with being sold as a sex slave after being booked

:36:54. > :37:00.That is the room where she says she was kept.

:37:01. > :37:02.The Milan prosecutor Paolo Storari has been talking

:37:03. > :37:07.TRANSLATION: He is dangerous - dangerous why?

:37:08. > :37:10.Because the victim was drugged with ketamine.

:37:11. > :37:14.As soon as she was kidnapped, let's say she was injected with ketamine.

:37:15. > :37:16.You know that if these substances are injected by people

:37:17. > :37:21.who are not experts, it may cause problems.

:37:22. > :37:25.Second, she was closed inside a bag and driven for hours in it in a car.

:37:26. > :37:28.You just think what would happen if a person suffering

:37:29. > :37:36.It's thought that the man who held Chloe Ayling belonged

:37:37. > :37:40.Angela Giuffrida is a freelance journalist who has been

:37:41. > :37:42.reporting on the case, and Matthew Hickley is co-founder

:37:43. > :37:50.of the cyber security company Hacker House.

:37:51. > :38:01.Angela, what details do you know of this case? Nothing new has emerged

:38:02. > :38:05.since the police gave a press conference on Saturday and also what

:38:06. > :38:09.emerged in the Italian press yesterday which was a statement

:38:10. > :38:15.Chloe Ayling gave to police about the horrific ordeal. We know that

:38:16. > :38:20.there were maybe three, four accomplices, who the police are

:38:21. > :38:24.trying to track down. In terms of where she was held, we have shown an

:38:25. > :38:30.image of the room where she says she was held. Whereabouts was it in

:38:31. > :38:40.Italy? That was in a remote village on the outskirts of Turin. What does

:38:41. > :38:46.she say happened when she was held their? She said her hands and ankles

:38:47. > :38:51.were tied to a chest of drawers and during the six-day she was there she

:38:52. > :38:56.had to sleep on the floor. Also that she believed there were three, four

:38:57. > :39:04.accomplices involved. Their motive was what? It is not clear. One of

:39:05. > :39:10.the biggest mysteries of the story so far is why the suspect

:39:11. > :39:15.accompanied her to the British Consulate in Milan. She was

:39:16. > :39:23.apparently released because she was a mother of a two-year-old, which

:39:24. > :39:34.was supposedly against their rules. We can talk about this group. The

:39:35. > :39:38.Black Death group. Do they exist? Group has origins with various

:39:39. > :39:46.internet conspiracy forums and it is not clear they did exist. Previously

:39:47. > :39:51.they have had websites from 2015 where they have said they could

:39:52. > :39:56.offer kidnap victims for auction and these websites were found out to be

:39:57. > :40:02.fake and the images used were not of any victim and had been taken from

:40:03. > :40:09.videos. There had been a number of YouTube videos supposedly tied to

:40:10. > :40:13.the groups. At this stage it is unclear if they are a real group.

:40:14. > :40:19.This is the first instance where somebody has come forward and said

:40:20. > :40:25.they were kidnapped and placed on auction. We know the images were

:40:26. > :40:31.posted onto a dark net website but this is the first case of its kind,

:40:32. > :40:35.as far as I am aware. And the first case involving this group if it

:40:36. > :40:41.exists where the rest made. That is correct. Whether this individual is

:40:42. > :40:48.linked to an organised crime group, if he perhaps may be a disturbed

:40:49. > :40:55.individual, we do not know. These allegations have come about and are

:40:56. > :40:59.supported by a long-standing internet conspiracy theory about the

:41:00. > :41:04.existence of a group that previously has advertise things like murder for

:41:05. > :41:12.hire, assassinations and even bombings. It is quite disturbing and

:41:13. > :41:20.we will certainly look to what evidence comes to light as the

:41:21. > :41:25.police investigate. Thank you. Still to come. Work the crowd right booing

:41:26. > :41:29.Justin Gatlin, who has twice been banned for doping? Letters know your

:41:30. > :41:30.views. Let's turn our attention

:41:31. > :41:33.to North Korea where international pressure is mounting

:41:34. > :41:34.on the secretive country Let's turn our attention

:41:35. > :41:39.to North Korea where international pressure is mounting

:41:40. > :41:40.on the secretive country The last few days has seen

:41:41. > :41:45.a unanimous vote at the UN Security Council for additional

:41:46. > :41:47.sanctions on North Korea, and a Chinese demand to end

:41:48. > :41:49.nuclear and missile tests. Whether it will bring the tests

:41:50. > :41:52.to an end is another matter. An offer was just made

:41:53. > :41:54.at an international summit in the Philippines

:41:55. > :41:56.by the South Korean foreign minister in a rare face to face encounter

:41:57. > :41:59.with his North Korean counterpart, In a moment we'll talk to experts

:42:00. > :42:04.about the country's nuclear threat and the dire human rights abuses

:42:05. > :42:07.North Koreans are subjected to, but first take a look

:42:08. > :45:01.at how it got this far. Let's discuss this now

:45:02. > :45:05.with Dr Patricia Lewis, an expert in international security

:45:06. > :45:12.and nuclear capability. And Kate Allen the Director of human

:45:13. > :45:23.rights charity Amnesty. How alarmed Dr Lewis should North

:45:24. > :45:26.Korea's neighbours be when it comes to their nuclear capability? They

:45:27. > :45:31.are very alarmed, of course. They have been living with this for a

:45:32. > :45:35.long time however. So there is a certain getting used to in. The past

:45:36. > :45:40.North Korea used the nuclear capability that's been developing as

:45:41. > :45:44.a way of blackmailing, to get money for so-called humanitarian aid, but

:45:45. > :45:48.sometimes that's been diverted. So, a lot of this is the same and yet

:45:49. > :45:53.the technical capability has now changed. The missiles that they have

:45:54. > :45:58.been developing having a longer reach, possibly being able to reach

:45:59. > :46:02.the United States itself, but south coronary qa and Japan have been

:46:03. > :46:07.targetable for a highly. They don't have nuclear warheads to go on top.

:46:08. > :46:11.On top of the missiles. Explain the significance of that for our

:46:12. > :46:15.audience? A ballistic missile is a ball that goes up into the air and

:46:16. > :46:19.comes back down again. If you change the angle, you can get it to go

:46:20. > :46:23.longer distance, but its accuracy is poor. If you put a conventional

:46:24. > :46:28.warhead on top and it misses, it won't have a huge amount of impact.

:46:29. > :46:33.If you put a nuclear warhead on top and it misses it has a massive

:46:34. > :46:37.impact. Developing a small enough warhead to go on top, that's light

:46:38. > :46:41.enough to travel a long way, that's the trick and we don't think they're

:46:42. > :46:47.quite there yet, so it's whether or not we have got this window still to

:46:48. > :46:52.negotiate. OK. Kate, so much of the focus is on North Korea's nuclear

:46:53. > :46:56.capabilities. Does that overshadow the grotesque Human Rights abuses

:46:57. > :47:00.that go on in that country? Well, the Human Rights abuses are, as you

:47:01. > :47:06.say, grotesque. The UN had a commission which reported two or

:47:07. > :47:09.three years ago and the author of that commission report said at the

:47:10. > :47:12.end of the Second World War people said if only we'd known, we would

:47:13. > :47:18.have done something and he said we do know what is happening in North

:47:19. > :47:23.Korea and it is hundreds of thousands of people in absolutely

:47:24. > :47:29.shocking prison conditions, in camps, where you know they are not

:47:30. > :47:33.charged. You can be taken into a camp for showing, not enough support

:47:34. > :47:39.for the regime. Your entire family can be put in that camp with you and

:47:40. > :47:46.you will be there until you die. It is appalling. There are mass

:47:47. > :47:49.executions, torture, rape, it is an astonishing regime and yes, we do

:47:50. > :47:55.not talk enough about those Human Rights abuses. The situation with

:47:56. > :48:00.potential nuclear weapons is massively worrying and behind that

:48:01. > :48:05.sits a population that are traumatised and abused in the most

:48:06. > :48:14.shocking of ways. And it would seem there is little you, we, the West,

:48:15. > :48:18.South Korea, China, can do about it? Well, I'm very encouraged by the

:48:19. > :48:23.fact that the international community has come together about

:48:24. > :48:27.this issue in North Korea. I'd like to see them come together about the

:48:28. > :48:33.Human Rights issues in North Korea. That UN commission, which, you know,

:48:34. > :48:35.we as Amnesty gave our evidence to, said that North Korea should be

:48:36. > :48:40.referred to the International Criminal Court. Now, this is the way

:48:41. > :48:43.that the world holds people who are responsible for such abuses to

:48:44. > :48:48.account. And it is the first step that is necessary. You know... Even

:48:49. > :48:52.if that happened, it would be symbolic. They wouldn't turn up.

:48:53. > :48:56.They wouldn't care. It would be a first step. It would be a step to

:48:57. > :48:58.saying to that regime, the people responsible for this will be held to

:48:59. > :49:03.account. Individually, personally, you will be held to account. That

:49:04. > :49:08.day will come. We will be gathering the evidence. We will be talking to

:49:09. > :49:13.the survivors of those camps. We will find your names and we will one

:49:14. > :49:18.day make sure that there is justice. And that is a start to people

:49:19. > :49:21.knowing that they simply cannot get away with the impunity that they are

:49:22. > :49:27.at the moment. Dr Lewis the new sanctions are going

:49:28. > :49:32.to cost North Korea around an extra $1 billion. How much of an impact

:49:33. > :49:36.will that have and what sort of an impact on first of all the regime

:49:37. > :49:43.and secondly, the people of North Korea? First of all, they would have

:49:44. > :49:49.to be implemented. Sanctions are notoriously leaky. The idea is to

:49:50. > :49:53.aim at hurting the elite and the problem with sanctions is sometimes

:49:54. > :49:56.they hurt even further the people, but I think, as Kate rightly says,

:49:57. > :50:01.we are in a situation where the people rt hurting so badly unless

:50:02. > :50:07.they are in the elite that it is certainly worth doing. The important

:50:08. > :50:12.thing, I think, is that we've got China and Russia in the Security

:50:13. > :50:15.Council with a United States resolution and this required an

:50:16. > :50:19.enormous effort on the pat of the United States and they are to be

:50:20. > :50:22.congratulated and it shows how worried both China and Russia are.

:50:23. > :50:26.How they are working together with the United States and this sends a

:50:27. > :50:31.very big message to North Korea that perhaps matters more on the amount

:50:32. > :50:35.of money we're talking about. The symbolicisation lation by the two

:50:36. > :50:37.countries that has supported them in the Security Council before. Thank

:50:38. > :50:45.you very much. Coming up - jobs for the boys -

:50:46. > :50:48.could the lack of women in top tech jobs be due to biological

:50:49. > :50:50.differences between men That's one software

:50:51. > :51:04.engineer's opinion. Here is an e-mail from Sue about our

:51:05. > :51:09.film about Lily and Jessica, two transgender children who we have

:51:10. > :51:12.been following since 2015. "My son was born in 1983 when the word

:51:13. > :51:16.transgender was in our world unknown. Christopher grew up and

:51:17. > :51:19.when he was 18 said to me I wish I had been born your daughter and not

:51:20. > :51:24.your son. However, it wasn't until he was 30 that he came out as a

:51:25. > :51:28.woman. I'm so proud of her. Christine is now 34 and is engaged

:51:29. > :51:32.to be married. Sometime ago she was asked when did you first know? She

:51:33. > :51:37.replied I've always known, but as a child I didn't have the words. I'm

:51:38. > :51:38.glad the world has change I'm proud of my beautiful daughter." Thank you

:51:39. > :51:42.for that. The American sprinter Justin Gatlin

:51:43. > :51:45.has been booed for a second time as he collected his gold medal

:51:46. > :51:48.at the athletics World Championships Gatlin, who's twice been

:51:49. > :51:52.suspended for doping, beat Usain Bolt into third place

:51:53. > :51:55.in the men's 100 metres final on Saturday, prompting

:51:56. > :51:57.boos from the crowd. Around the world, people

:51:58. > :52:00.are tuning in for this final, and the sound they will hear

:52:01. > :52:06.will be you. Five global medals, a best

:52:07. > :52:09.of 9.74, for Justin Gatlin! He wasn't going to do

:52:10. > :52:15.the walk and have So many times the silver medal,

:52:16. > :52:44.so many times he has followed Bolt So does Jimmy Vicaut,

:52:45. > :53:14.and so does Chris Coleman. Coleman's leading it,

:53:15. > :53:17.and Bolt's got to chase it hard - he's not going to catch him

:53:18. > :53:20.at the moment, but here he comes, and Coleman's still in the lead,

:53:21. > :53:22.and Gatlin wins it! Right at the death, Gatlin comes

:53:23. > :53:26.through - Gatlin steals it! Coleman thought he had it,

:53:27. > :53:28.Bolt never got there. Coleman second, and

:53:29. > :54:00.Usain Bolt in third. Gold medallist and world champion,

:54:01. > :54:04.representing the United States We can speak to British sprinter

:54:05. > :54:28.and former 4x400 metre relay world He won gold in 1991

:54:29. > :54:37.against the US team with Kris Akabusi running down

:54:38. > :54:40.the World Champion Antonio Pettigrew Iwan Thomas also a former 4 by 400

:54:41. > :54:49.metre world champion. They initally won silver

:54:50. > :54:51.against the US in 1997 but were upgraded to gold in 2009

:54:52. > :54:54.after that same Antonio Pettigrew And Iwan is also hosting

:54:55. > :55:07.the games within the stadium. Derek the booing last night was not

:55:08. > :55:12.as emphatic as Saturday night. What do you think of the crowd expressing

:55:13. > :55:15.their opinion in the way they did? Personally I think I would have been

:55:16. > :55:20.silent and if I could have advised the crowd to do anything, it would

:55:21. > :55:23.have to do nothing, but try controlling that many thousand

:55:24. > :55:28.people who are going to have their own views, their own opinions and

:55:29. > :55:33.some decided to boo and some decided not to. I don't think it was great

:55:34. > :55:37.to hear booing for anybody, but I'm not particularly a fan of what

:55:38. > :55:41.Justin Gatlin has done or particularly a follower of his, but

:55:42. > :55:47.I think if it was me, I would advice everyone to be silent because you

:55:48. > :55:52.know, he was there. He served his ban and unfortunately, he is allowed

:55:53. > :55:55.to compete and that's what he did. Should the crowd have been booing

:55:56. > :56:04.the authorities? They make the rules? Justin Gatlin ways racing

:56:05. > :56:07.legitimately? He was. Every night the IAAF are addressing the issue.

:56:08. > :56:11.They are trying to clean the sport up and unfortunately in doing so it

:56:12. > :56:15.is highlighting the fact that sport people will cheat. So I think it is

:56:16. > :56:19.a long process whereby the laws and the rules do need to be changed, but

:56:20. > :56:22.to give someone a lifetime ban, they've tried it brvings it is not

:56:23. > :56:25.the governing body that's restricting that, it is the court of

:56:26. > :56:30.law. The court of arbitration in sport. Yes. That's what the IAAF

:56:31. > :56:34.say, they say we have campaigned for lifetime ban, but because of the

:56:35. > :56:40.threat of legal action that athletes can bring, we can't introduce

:56:41. > :56:43.lifetime bans? No. It's unfortunate, I think, we need to send the right

:56:44. > :56:47.message out to the next generation and that's what we're trying to do.

:56:48. > :56:50.The atmosphere inside the stadium is fantastic. This is the only negative

:56:51. > :56:53.part of it and unfortunately Justin Gatlin is allowed to be there. He

:56:54. > :56:58.has done nothing wrong at the current situation as the law lies,

:56:59. > :57:01.but I personally think perhaps two strikes and you should be out. They

:57:02. > :57:07.need to look at that. It is difficult. Let's talk about. Derek,

:57:08. > :57:13.two strikes and you're out. I have been going back to the reasons why

:57:14. > :57:17.Justin Gatlin was banned. He was diagnosed with ADHT as a

:57:18. > :57:21.nine-year-old and he been taking prescribed medication ever since.

:57:22. > :57:25.Medication which contains an amphetamine which back in 2001 was

:57:26. > :57:29.permissible for out of competition use, but banned during in

:57:30. > :57:37.competition use and the panel that looked at his case said he was not a

:57:38. > :57:41.cheat. There was a genuine medical explanation for his positive test.

:57:42. > :57:46.Yes, he had to be banned, but that's why they reduced the ban from two

:57:47. > :57:52.years to one years because they said Justin Gatlin neither cheated nor

:57:53. > :57:55.did he intend to. OK. Yeah. If that's the case, and I understand

:57:56. > :57:58.and respect that, my issue with Justin Gatlin is the second time

:57:59. > :58:06.round. He has been through this process once. Allegedly clean and by

:58:07. > :58:09.if you like some kind of miss demeanour, some kind of confusion

:58:10. > :58:12.with what he was allowed it take out of season and what he is not

:58:13. > :58:16.supposed to be taking in season, but the second time round, he has been

:58:17. > :58:21.through this process and he knows the score and decided have a go

:58:22. > :58:29.again. Hang on, just a second, for our audience, what he said on the

:58:30. > :58:34.second occasion in 2006 was that a disgruntled massage therapist had

:58:35. > :58:40.basically rubbed cream with testosterone into his legs

:58:41. > :58:44.deliberately. I can see your wry smile and the panel said the

:58:45. > :58:48.evidence did not elimb nat the possibility of intentional use or

:58:49. > :58:54.that he was an unwitting victim. It just wasn't clear? Well, OK, so,

:58:55. > :59:00.even the second time, I've never known a drug cheat when they get

:59:01. > :59:03.caught to say, "Fair cop, it's me." Some profess their innocence after

:59:04. > :59:07.serving a ban and even when they come back. You expect an athlete who

:59:08. > :59:13.has gone down that route to turn around and say, "Oh, it wasn't me."

:59:14. > :59:18.Going back to my point to go through this process a second time, whether

:59:19. > :59:22.it was rubbed in by a disgruntled mass sewer or not, he has been going

:59:23. > :59:26.through this process a second time and I think something does need to

:59:27. > :59:32.be done and you know I'm all for a life ban and I understand what the

:59:33. > :59:38.court of arbitration, lets not use the word life, let's give a 15 year

:59:39. > :59:42.ban, a 10 year ban, something that does end an athlete's career. I

:59:43. > :59:46.still think a lot of athletes will still try the once and it is like

:59:47. > :59:51.the false start rule. We used to have two false starts and now it has

:59:52. > :59:56.gone down to one and now no one can have a false start. Let me ask about

:59:57. > :00:01.the national federations who select former drug cheats. Could they take

:00:02. > :00:04.more responsibility? Some federations are stricter than

:00:05. > :00:07.others. Some will say in British athletics if you have been a drugs

:00:08. > :00:10.cheat, you can't go to the Olympic Games. Where the grey area, let's

:00:11. > :00:14.assume Justin Gatlin is telling the truth there. It's not so black and

:00:15. > :00:21.white. What hasn't helped in this case with the crowds booing, the

:00:22. > :00:27.fact that I Am Bolt documentary has been on the BBC. It is not clearly

:00:28. > :00:30.two drugs tests, whae has done is terrible for the sport, but if the

:00:31. > :00:35.ADHT medication is correct, then people just see and read that he has

:00:36. > :00:41.been a tw-time drug cheat. Maybe, it's not as black and white as we

:00:42. > :00:44.first think, but as an ex-athlete, whatever you put in your body you

:00:45. > :00:48.have to be responsible. If someone was massaging me and using new oil I

:00:49. > :00:53.would say, "What's this you're using?" I check everything I put on

:00:54. > :00:58.my body or is used one body because you have to be responsible for your

:00:59. > :01:02.own future. Thank you very much. Your views, welcome, of course, what

:01:03. > :01:05.did you think of what the crowd did? Are they, people boo at other

:01:06. > :01:09.sporting events, don't they? You have probably been to a football

:01:10. > :01:13.match or two where there has been booing? Is it any different in an

:01:14. > :01:22.athletics match? Before that the weather. Here is Carol.

:01:23. > :01:31.This week the weather is looking unsettled. Today is no exception.

:01:32. > :01:35.Rain in the south-west and the far south-east staying dry and the other

:01:36. > :01:40.side, brighter skies, sunshine and showers but some showers could be

:01:41. > :01:43.heavy and sundry in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Tonight that moves

:01:44. > :01:48.backwards and you concede the rain tonight. A lot of dry weather

:01:49. > :01:53.around. Showers in the north and west. Temperatures falling between

:01:54. > :01:59.nine and 15. Tomorrow's starting with rain. If anything it will

:02:00. > :02:05.retreat back to the south-east. Joining forces with rain from the

:02:06. > :02:09.continent. East Anglia, Essex, Kent, Hampshire in particular will see

:02:10. > :02:14.downpours. For much of England and Wales cloudy and wet. The far north,

:02:15. > :02:20.another day of sunshine and showers with temperatures between 15 and 19.

:02:21. > :02:28.Hello, it's Monday, it's 10 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire.

:02:29. > :02:34.The British model allegedly kidnapped and held in Milan for six

:02:35. > :02:38.days feared for her life minute by minute. Police in Italy said

:02:39. > :02:41.20-year-old Chloe Ayling was abducted and drugged before attempts

:02:42. > :02:44.were made to sell her in an online auction.

:02:45. > :02:47.TRANSLATION: He is dangerous because the victim was

:02:48. > :02:50.As soon as she was kidnapped, let's say she was

:02:51. > :02:56.Also on the programme we can reveal that 32 children

:02:57. > :03:00.between the ages of 3 and 5 were referred to the NHS last

:03:01. > :03:01.year because they're unhappy with the gender.

:03:02. > :03:05.following Lily and Jessica - two of the UK's youngest

:03:06. > :03:09.transgender children - since 2015 and will bring

:03:10. > :03:22.How would you like people to treat you? Like a normal girl. I would

:03:23. > :03:27.rather they did not mention it rather than always talk about it.

:03:28. > :03:31.More from them and we will talk live to the boss of the UK's only UK

:03:32. > :03:42.gender clinic for under 18. A Google software engineer believes

:03:43. > :03:48.that men make better programmers than winning. More men like coding

:03:49. > :03:50.because it requires systemising. If you are a woman in a tech job tell

:03:51. > :03:56.us your reaction. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:03:57. > :04:08.with a summary of todays news. A British model who was kidnapped

:04:09. > :04:13.almost a week in Milan has returned to the UK. Chloe Ayling said she

:04:14. > :04:16.feared for her life and claim she was trucked, stuffed as a suitcase

:04:17. > :04:20.and threatened with being sold as a sex slave after being booked for a

:04:21. > :04:33.photo shoot. Italian police say she was attacked and drugged by two

:04:34. > :04:38.people. The woman was held in abandoned shop on the outskirts of

:04:39. > :04:42.the city. Italian police say the model was attacked and robbed by two

:04:43. > :04:45.people. TRANSLATION: The victim was doped

:04:46. > :04:49.with ketamine and locked in a bag and carried four hours in a car.

:04:50. > :04:52.Think what would've happened if she suffered asthma. It was thought she

:04:53. > :04:57.was put into the boot of this vehicle and they believe she was

:04:58. > :05:02.taken to a remit cottage and say she spent much of her week-long ordeal

:05:03. > :05:13.handcuffed to a chest of drawers. Her kidnapper is alleged have tried

:05:14. > :05:15.to sell her for sex on the internet and demanded a ransom of nearly a

:05:16. > :05:19.quarter of ?1 million. After six days she was released and taken to

:05:20. > :05:22.the British Consulate. This man, a 30-year-old Polish national living

:05:23. > :05:23.in Britain has been arrested by Italian police.

:05:24. > :05:26.New laws which will give people more control over what happens

:05:27. > :05:28.to their personal data online are to be introduced.

:05:29. > :05:30.The government is billing the changes as the right

:05:31. > :05:34.People will be able to ask for personal data or material

:05:35. > :05:39.they posted when they were children to be deleted.

:05:40. > :05:41.Brazilian police say a British woman has been shot and wounded

:05:42. > :05:44.Officials say a couple and their three children

:05:45. > :05:48.were targeted by an armed group after taking a wrong turn.

:05:49. > :05:54.The woman's condition isn't thought to be life threatening.

:05:55. > :05:57.The Foreign Office says it is in touch with Brazilian authorities.

:05:58. > :05:59.Thousands of commuters are having their journeys disrupted today,

:06:00. > :06:02.because of major improvement work at Britain's busiest railway

:06:03. > :06:06.More than half of its platforms are closed so they can be extended

:06:07. > :06:14.They will be closed until 28th of August.

:06:15. > :06:15.Network Rail has warned of "challenging days"

:06:16. > :06:22.An average of 270,000 journeys are made to and from the station every

:06:23. > :06:22.day. Executives at Google have

:06:23. > :06:24.denounced an internal memo in which an employee criticises

:06:25. > :06:28.the company's policy on diversity. In the piece, a male software

:06:29. > :06:31.engineer argued that the lack of females in top tech jobs was due

:06:32. > :06:33.to biological differences The article was posted

:06:34. > :06:37.on an internal discussion board. While the author has

:06:38. > :06:39.been widely criticised, he also says he has received

:06:40. > :06:53.messages of gratitude Mollie King is the first celebrity

:06:54. > :06:56.to be confirmed taking part in the new series of Strictly Come Dancing.

:06:57. > :07:01.The singer from the Saturdays said she was excited to be a contestant.

:07:02. > :07:01.The series starts on BBC One next month.

:07:02. > :07:08.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

:07:09. > :07:17.Justin Gatlin, Stewart said the public made a decision to boo and

:07:18. > :07:23.you should respect that. Another said for me once, shame on you, fool

:07:24. > :07:26.me twice, shame on me. Michael said it is the fact Justin Gatlin has

:07:27. > :07:29.never said sorry and if he did it would help a lot. He has talked

:07:30. > :07:35.about going into academic institutions and talking to people

:07:36. > :07:39.about his story. What happened to him. His experience. But clearly

:07:40. > :07:40.that is not enough for more some people.

:07:41. > :07:42.Day four of the World Athletics Championships.

:07:43. > :07:44.Jessica is at the London Stadium for us.

:07:45. > :07:46.We're reflecting on two very different

:07:47. > :07:59.Good morning, a day of mixed reactions yesterday and on the one

:08:00. > :08:03.hand you had big cheers and warm applause for Jessica Ennis-Hill,

:08:04. > :08:09.receiving her retrospective world gold medal from 2011. Six years

:08:10. > :08:14.after the fact because the athletes that had beaten her at the time was

:08:15. > :08:20.found to have cheated and doped and therefore disqualified. It was an

:08:21. > :08:25.emotional day for her. Whilst as we have seen her on the podium. She is

:08:26. > :08:31.eight months into her pregnancy now. And then in contrast, Justin Gatlin.

:08:32. > :08:39.Questions around the stadium yesterday a about what reaction he

:08:40. > :08:46.would receive after winning a dramatic 100 metres final and coming

:08:47. > :08:51.back after those two drugs bans. It was an interesting reaction and mix

:08:52. > :08:57.to because there was booing but also there was cheering. He was also

:08:58. > :09:03.applauded by his opponents. Coleman and Usain Bolt, but Justin Gatlin

:09:04. > :09:06.has been receiving booing all through the championships and feels

:09:07. > :09:12.he has done his time and should be welcomed back into the sport.

:09:13. > :09:15.Jessica Ennis-Hill coach Tony Minichiello understands why fans

:09:16. > :09:20.vent their frustrations. The crowd is entitled to express its opinion

:09:21. > :09:25.of the entertainment presented to it. I have no problem with the way

:09:26. > :09:29.the crowd conducted themselves. They were respectful at the times they

:09:30. > :09:36.needed and expressed their opinion appropriately and it was not all of

:09:37. > :09:43.the crowd. It was more of an ooh van a boo. This is why we watch sport

:09:44. > :09:51.and so fixed on it. There's talk about the British team. A

:09:52. > :09:57.disappointing day yesterday. We have seen such drama but yesterday was a

:09:58. > :10:02.chance for British athletes to stand up and impress. It was quite

:10:03. > :10:06.disappointing. There were high hopes put on Katarina Johnson-Thompson in

:10:07. > :10:11.the heptathlon. She had a tough first day and came back was second

:10:12. > :10:16.and performed well in her final three events. She left herself too

:10:17. > :10:20.much to do by the time she got to be 800 metres and it was the Olympic

:10:21. > :10:28.champion, Nafi Thiam, the Belgian, who won the gold medal. She will be

:10:29. > :10:35.disappointed. Holly Bradshaw had a good season but fell short in the

:10:36. > :10:41.pole vaults. She did not manage to get over the bar set it four metres

:10:42. > :10:45.75, knocking it down on the way down and heartbreaking scenes of her

:10:46. > :10:51.crying when she had gone out. We hope for a better day today. In the

:10:52. > :11:00.evening session we have Sophie Hitchon going on in the hammer. In

:11:01. > :11:06.the 1500 metres final we have Laura Muir and Laura Weightman. There is

:11:07. > :11:10.no morning session today. It is very quiet. Eerily quiet in the London

:11:11. > :11:14.stadium, but action gets under way at 6pm on BBC Two. Cheers. Welcome

:11:15. > :11:16.to the programme. This programme has

:11:17. > :11:18.discovered that 32 children between the ages of three

:11:19. > :11:21.and five have been referred to the NHS over the last year

:11:22. > :11:24.because they're unhappy In total this year 216 children

:11:25. > :11:32.under the age of 10 have been to the NHS's only gender identity

:11:33. > :11:35.service for under 18s - that figure has more than doubled

:11:36. > :11:38.over the last two years. "Transgender" means someone

:11:39. > :11:40.who doesn't identify as the gender they were assigned

:11:41. > :11:43.to when they were born. They may wish to be seen

:11:44. > :11:46.as a different gender Over the last two and a half years

:11:47. > :11:53.we've been following two of the UK's youngest transgender children,

:11:54. > :11:54.Lily and Jessica, I always had to complain and say,

:11:55. > :12:15."Oh, I don't want to put trousers on," but now I'm a girl I'm like,

:12:16. > :12:19."Yeah, I get to put tights on, So tell me what makes

:12:20. > :12:26.you happiest at the moment. Everyone's always looking

:12:27. > :12:30.after me, and caring. People, like, not being kind,

:12:31. > :12:40.when I see people being bullied. Yeah, there's this person

:12:41. > :12:53.and they're just being really mean. They said, "You won't be

:12:54. > :12:58.a very good woman - Do your friends talk to you ever

:12:59. > :13:11.about you living your life Everybody accepts you and

:13:12. > :13:20.just gets on with it? I'd rather them not mention it,

:13:21. > :13:28.than, you know, them Have you thought about when you go

:13:29. > :13:39.to secondary school, will you tell people that you used

:13:40. > :13:43.to live as a boy, or will I won't mention it, but if it comes

:13:44. > :13:47.up I probably will say, you know... Since we first spoke

:13:48. > :13:56.to you and broadcast the film on our programme two years ago,

:13:57. > :13:59.what do you think has There's a lot more coverage I think

:14:00. > :14:09.of trans, especially trans children issues,

:14:10. > :14:11.which I think has been brilliant, and has hopefully

:14:12. > :14:13.helped a lot of families. People have a better

:14:14. > :14:18.understanding now. The education is coming

:14:19. > :14:20.through as well that, you know, kids aren't having surgeries,

:14:21. > :14:22.as it's been reported, It's not as sensationalised

:14:23. > :14:28.as it once was. Although there are still people,

:14:29. > :14:30.and there will be people watching you right now,

:14:31. > :14:32.who say, "Your kids I think if you've lived

:14:33. > :14:41.with a child, as we have, my child Lily, she is just how

:14:42. > :14:43.she is now. Jessica's a clever little

:14:44. > :14:49.girl, young lady, even. Yeah, she's grown up

:14:50. > :14:57.so much in the last year. I have every faith that she's

:14:58. > :15:03.going to have a happy life. She's a Consultant Clinical

:15:04. > :15:09.Psychologist and the Director of the Gender Identity Development

:15:10. > :15:23.Centre which is the only NHS Welcome. How typical are the

:15:24. > :15:24.experiences of Jessica and Lily when it comes to transgender children in

:15:25. > :15:31.Britain? I think all the young people we see

:15:32. > :15:37.are individuals, but they are fairly typical. I think with this younger

:15:38. > :15:40.age group not all of them have socially transitioned, but for young

:15:41. > :15:43.people who have socially transitioned I think these two young

:15:44. > :15:49.people are very representative. Talk us through what happens when a child

:15:50. > :15:54.or young person is referred to your service. OK. So, it depends on age

:15:55. > :15:58.really, but if we're thinking about younger people, they would come

:15:59. > :16:02.along, usually with their families and we would carry out an assessment

:16:03. > :16:06.so that would be a number of meetings over a number of months and

:16:07. > :16:11.it's a really broad ranging assessment. So we're thinking about

:16:12. > :16:14.the young person's general development across education, but

:16:15. > :16:19.also relationships, peer relationships and so on as well as

:16:20. > :16:24.thinking about their gender. I think with some families the first task is

:16:25. > :16:28.to really find a way of communicating because what you find

:16:29. > :16:32.maybe is that one parent will be very supportive of the young person

:16:33. > :16:38.whereas the other might be quite worried. So I think finding a way of

:16:39. > :16:42.talking. Just thinking about gender over time would be the way we'd

:16:43. > :16:50.approach it. And what kind of things do the children express to you about

:16:51. > :16:55.their identity? Well, I think part of gender dysphoria as it's called

:16:56. > :17:02.is distress associated with feeling that your gender identity doesn't

:17:03. > :17:05.match your physical body, I've completely forgotten your question

:17:06. > :17:09.there... It's fine. I was asking what children say to you about their

:17:10. > :17:15.gender, if they have gender dysphoria? Yes. Well, I mean part of

:17:16. > :17:21.that is a belief about identity. So, you know, young people will

:17:22. > :17:26.typically say that they feel their sense of themselves doesn't match

:17:27. > :17:35.their body. . Right. In many cases, are they frustrated? Are they

:17:36. > :17:38.bewildered? Anry? What kind of emotions would you say they're

:17:39. > :17:42.expressing? They present as certain, but that's not to say that there

:17:43. > :17:47.aren't a lot of difficulties around and even though there is great are

:17:48. > :17:51.awareness which is fantastic, many of the young people we see have been

:17:52. > :17:57.bullied and teased at school and so, I think, for some there is a feeling

:17:58. > :18:00.of shame. So we would be facilitating really open

:18:01. > :18:06.conversation around the gender and trying to be supportive. I think as

:18:07. > :18:09.a service we totally accept the gender that your people come along

:18:10. > :18:15.with because after all it is their identity. Let me ask you about the

:18:16. > :18:18.figures which show that 32 children aged between three and five have

:18:19. > :18:22.been referred to the NHS in the last year because they're unhappy with

:18:23. > :18:26.their gender. How can that be when we are talking about a child as

:18:27. > :18:32.young as three potentially? Well, I think if you talk to the parents of

:18:33. > :18:37.these young people they will since their child was crawling and able to

:18:38. > :18:41.communicate they were always showing preferences for toys typically

:18:42. > :18:45.associated with the other gender, but it's also about personal

:18:46. > :18:48.statements. So, you know, for example very young kids can say

:18:49. > :18:54.things like, "Mummy, I'm a boy on the outside, but a girl on the

:18:55. > :19:00.inside. ." So I think it's not simply about liking toys of the

:19:01. > :19:05.other gender as is sometimes said, it is a much more profound sense of

:19:06. > :19:10.being. Can you get a prod found sense of a being from a

:19:11. > :19:14.three-year-old? I think three-year-olds communicate very

:19:15. > :19:19.well and you can absolutely. How would you know whether to take that

:19:20. > :19:23.three-year-old seriously when there are kids who go through phases?

:19:24. > :19:27.That's a really good question because I know people have great

:19:28. > :19:30.concerns about this. One should be supportive of young people in terms

:19:31. > :19:34.of what they are saying about themselves. That says nothing about

:19:35. > :19:38.how things will unfold in the future and the thing to bear in mind is

:19:39. > :19:44.that this is a process and nothing is set in stone. That's interesting.

:19:45. > :19:47.How often might you see a child, at a young age, a three or four or

:19:48. > :19:52.five-year-old who as they grow and mature actually changes their mind?

:19:53. > :19:56.Well, in fact, for the younger ones, those referred to the service at

:19:57. > :20:01.five years old, it would only be about 6% of those who ultimately go

:20:02. > :20:10.on to seek physical interventions to change their body. OK. So what of

:20:11. > :20:17.the other 94%? The other 94% have different outcome. Some might carry

:20:18. > :20:22.on feeling that their gender doesn't quite fit the stereotypes. Others it

:20:23. > :20:27.will be an outcome around sexuality. For others, they will settle into

:20:28. > :20:33.the gender of which they were assigned at birth. It is a tiny

:20:34. > :20:36.proportion? A tiny proportion of the very young ones. What's your

:20:37. > :20:40.explanation for the increase in the numbers of children and young people

:20:41. > :20:45.seeking support for identifying as transgender? I think there is a lot

:20:46. > :20:49.that's immensely positive about that and I think media had a very large

:20:50. > :20:53.part to play. So there is much greater awareness and I think on one

:20:54. > :20:58.of your earlier tweets, there was an older person saying that they hadn't

:20:59. > :21:01.had the language to describe their feelings and often young people who

:21:02. > :21:07.attend our service will talk about having seen a character on TV or met

:21:08. > :21:11.someone at school and by meeting other people, hearing about other

:21:12. > :21:16.people's experiences of gender, they're able to put words to their

:21:17. > :21:22.own feelings. Right. So the raising of awareness, the media attention

:21:23. > :21:28.has led to more young people being referred to your clinic for example?

:21:29. > :21:33.A couple of years ago we had an astronomical increase in the number

:21:34. > :21:36.of referrals. It doubled in a year. It is hard to know why things come

:21:37. > :21:40.together at a certain time. But I think it is very much to do with

:21:41. > :21:47.raised awareness on the media, but also social media. There are still a

:21:48. > :21:51.lot of misconceptions about transgender children. Let's talk

:21:52. > :21:56.about blockers, puberty blockers that pause piberty to allow a young

:21:57. > :22:01.person more time to really make sure they do want to continue down a

:22:02. > :22:07.particular route. How often would you turn down children for that kind

:22:08. > :22:14.of help because you don't think they need it? I think most often it's a

:22:15. > :22:19.collaborative agreement between families and young people. So it

:22:20. > :22:23.would be a rare occasion where we would perhaps think that it's not

:22:24. > :22:29.the right thing to be going ahead with hormone blockers. In some cases

:22:30. > :22:34.it may not be the right thing but later on it will be the right thing.

:22:35. > :22:37.I guess we do our best to support young people to, you know, make the

:22:38. > :22:43.decision that's right for them and support them get there if that's

:22:44. > :22:47.what feels right. Do you know, do we know about any long-term

:22:48. > :22:51.side-effects of hormone blockers on a child or young person if they

:22:52. > :22:55.decide to stop taking them? What research has been done in that area?

:22:56. > :22:59.Hormone blockers have been offered in Holland in a very long

:23:00. > :23:04.established specialist clinic and in actual fact they are the only clinic

:23:05. > :23:11.to have published any long-term outcome data. So, it would be

:23:12. > :23:16.absolutely right to say that there isn't any good long-term outcome

:23:17. > :23:22.data at this time. Although the data we have is supportive of it being a

:23:23. > :23:28.reversible intervention that doesn't have long-term ill effects. OK. You

:23:29. > :23:32.will have heard some of the comments that I have aide read out from our

:23:33. > :23:37.audience. As a qualify doctor, what do you say to people who are

:23:38. > :23:43.watching now who don't believe children can really make decisions

:23:44. > :23:46.about their gender identity? I think children aren't making decisions

:23:47. > :23:50.about their gender identity when they say that they feel that their

:23:51. > :23:56.body doesn't match their sense of themselves. That's a statement about

:23:57. > :24:00.themselves. In terms of making decisions, I guess, you know, the

:24:01. > :24:05.big decisions are for those young people who may feel that the right

:24:06. > :24:11.course for them is to undertake physical interventions and I think

:24:12. > :24:16.as a service, we're mindful of the need for young people to consent and

:24:17. > :24:20.we put a lot of time into working with young people and their families

:24:21. > :24:27.over time. It's a process, not an event. So I'd say to people who are

:24:28. > :24:33.sceptical that we take a cautious and considered approach and I think,

:24:34. > :24:39.you know, it is essential that that's the case. Let me read this

:24:40. > :24:45.e-mail from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous. "My seven-year-old

:24:46. > :24:49.son had always showed femen nine attributes. We put coins in the

:24:50. > :24:54.wishing well. We wished to be a girl. All his friends are girls and

:24:55. > :24:58.he often talks about girl things. He is being bullied at school, but he

:24:59. > :25:02.didn't back down. I don't care if he wants to be male or female, but it

:25:03. > :25:06.breaks my heart to see how other people are with him. I love him

:25:07. > :25:10.however he wants to be. I just need advice, I guess. He seems very sad

:25:11. > :25:15.at the moment." What would you advice that parent? I would advice

:25:16. > :25:21.them to go to their GP and seek a referral, either to their local

:25:22. > :25:26.child and adolescence service or they could seek a referral to

:25:27. > :25:33.ourselves, it would be about offering a space to think about

:25:34. > :25:37.those things and explore the feelings of the young person. Those

:25:38. > :25:45.people who are against trance kids have no idea what they are talking

:25:46. > :25:49.about. The medical support is great. I wish I could have done the same at

:25:50. > :25:53.that age. You mentioned physical interventions and we talked about

:25:54. > :25:57.the blockers that pause puberty. In this country, my understanding is on

:25:58. > :26:00.the NHS, you have to be around the age of 16 before you could be

:26:01. > :26:06.offered cross sex hormones. Just explain what they are first of all?

:26:07. > :26:11.Cross sex hormones. So, most of us, alof us, produce sex hormones that

:26:12. > :26:16.put our bodies through a male puberty or a female puberty. Cross

:26:17. > :26:19.sex hormones would be when an individual takes hormones that

:26:20. > :26:24.aren't in line with the physical body they have. Right. Now, both

:26:25. > :26:29.Lily and Jessica's parents said to me they wondered if 16 might be too

:26:30. > :26:32.old for their child and it might cause distress to their child if

:26:33. > :26:36.they had to wait until that age before they could get access to

:26:37. > :26:40.those cross sex hormones. What do you say to them? I had understand

:26:41. > :26:45.that and that is something that increasingly we're hearing and I

:26:46. > :26:49.know that in some parts of the USA they are offering cross sex hormones

:26:50. > :26:55.at an earlier age. I would say that cross sex hormones are the first

:26:56. > :26:59.stage of a physical treatment that's not fully reversible. It has

:27:00. > :27:03.implications for an individual's fertility and one is always

:27:04. > :27:09.balancing up if you like the gains and the losses and so, I think, you

:27:10. > :27:14.know, if one can have a supportive environment that accepts young

:27:15. > :27:18.trance people -- trans people and they don't feel out of place if

:27:19. > :27:22.their development is less than their peers. The extra time we have for

:27:23. > :27:27.young people to consider the implications of taking cross sex

:27:28. > :27:32.hormones is really quite important in terms of development. OK. Thank

:27:33. > :27:38.you. Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Dr Polly

:27:39. > :27:42.Carmichael from the, she is the director of the Gender Identity

:27:43. > :27:44.Development Service. The NHS' only service for under-18s in the UK.

:27:45. > :27:48.Your comments, welcome, of course. The lack of women in top tech jobs

:27:49. > :27:51.is due to biological differences between men and women

:27:52. > :27:54.and not sexism. That's the verdict of one Google

:27:55. > :27:56.software engineer whose internal memo has been leaked

:27:57. > :27:58.and widely criticised. The unnamed author says women

:27:59. > :28:01.generally "prefer jobs in social or artistic areas" while "more men

:28:02. > :28:06.may like coding" and that "the abilities of men and women

:28:07. > :28:10.differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences

:28:11. > :28:12.may explain why we don't see equal representation of women

:28:13. > :28:14.in tech and leadership". Let's hear a bit more

:28:15. > :28:17.of what the author had The quotes are read

:28:18. > :28:26.by one of our team. As society becomes more prosperous

:28:27. > :28:28.and more egalitarian innate dispositional differences

:28:29. > :28:30.between men and women have more space to develop,

:28:31. > :28:33.and the gap that exists between men and women in their

:28:34. > :28:35.personality becomes wider. We need to stop assuming that

:28:36. > :28:37.gender gaps imply sexism. We always ask why we don't see women

:28:38. > :28:40.in top leadership positions, but we never ask why we see so many

:28:41. > :28:43.men in these jobs. These positions are often require

:28:44. > :28:46.long stressful hours that may not be worth it if you want to balance

:28:47. > :28:48.a fulfilling life. Women relatively prefer jobs

:28:49. > :28:50.in social or artistic areas. More men may like coding because it

:28:51. > :28:59.requires systemising. Google say the memo -

:29:00. > :29:02.posted on an internal discussion board -

:29:03. > :29:04.is "not a viewpoint the company And that, "Diversity and inclusion

:29:05. > :29:09.are a fundamental part of our values and the culture

:29:10. > :29:12.we continue to cultivate." But is there any truth in claims

:29:13. > :29:15.that biological differences impact the type of jobs men and women

:29:16. > :29:23.are good at? Zoe Jervier is from Entrepreneur

:29:24. > :29:42.First, a body that helps What do you think about this men and

:29:43. > :29:47.women's brains wired differently? It is the opinion of one Google

:29:48. > :29:52.employee who's put forward a controversial viewpoint that

:29:53. > :29:56.biological make women less heated to careers in engineering and it has

:29:57. > :30:03.sparked outrage understandably internally at Google and externally.

:30:04. > :30:08.Many have pointed out there are factual mistakes in what he has

:30:09. > :30:14.said. There is confusion around the root cause as to what causes women

:30:15. > :30:19.to not want to enter engineering as a career path. In June, Google

:30:20. > :30:25.released figures that showed one in five tech roles was filled by a

:30:26. > :30:31.woman last year. The US national average is 26%. What barriers are

:30:32. > :30:37.there to women entering these jobs? It is not that women are

:30:38. > :30:43.biologically predisposed against tech jobs. There are a number of

:30:44. > :30:49.factors along the way in trying to enter that as a career that are

:30:50. > :30:52.discouraging. Google are dealing with the tail end of the diversity

:30:53. > :31:00.in tech problem but the root causes earlier. At university, A-levels,

:31:01. > :31:06.pre-classroom, even. There are great companies trying to address the root

:31:07. > :31:13.cause problem. Entrepreneur First set up a free programme available to

:31:14. > :31:19.all female university students. There is more we need to do. If you

:31:20. > :31:24.go to university, that is almost too late to make those decisions. It

:31:25. > :31:28.needs to be earlier. Root causes, do you say it is the way parents bring

:31:29. > :31:34.up kids and teachers encourage boys and girls to do different subjects?

:31:35. > :31:41.Yes it starts much earlier. Down to the toys bought and marketed towards

:31:42. > :31:46.children. The gendered characters and roles we see in cartoons that

:31:47. > :31:51.children watch. There is a lot we need to do earlier. It does not mean

:31:52. > :31:55.we should not do anything later in the pipeline and generally Google

:31:56. > :31:59.are seen as leaders in diversity inclusion practices. It was good of

:32:00. > :32:05.them to respond quickly that this is not something they believe in at a

:32:06. > :32:09.company culture level. Robin says this, Robin is a woman, as one of

:32:10. > :32:15.only two women programmers on my university course out of hundreds, I

:32:16. > :32:19.feel it is vital not to make women feel they cannot code as well as

:32:20. > :32:24.male counterparts because of one Google employee's opinion. There is

:32:25. > :32:27.a shortage of women in this industry because we have been told from the

:32:28. > :32:33.young gauge tech jobs are not for us, even though there are no

:32:34. > :32:37.physical advantages in the job, just willingness to learn and sometimes

:32:38. > :32:42.talent. That picks up on a striking contradiction in the Google

:32:43. > :32:47.employee's memo. Even if it were true women had high levels of

:32:48. > :32:51.empathy and therefore were suited to certain roles, people skills and

:32:52. > :32:57.having an understanding of people and behaviours is essential to being

:32:58. > :33:01.a successful engineer. You would expect women would be great

:33:02. > :33:02.candidates for these roles because of that difference, rather than

:33:03. > :33:06.despite. Thank you. It was a social experiment

:33:07. > :33:09.for Channel 4, but when 23 people were sent to live on a remote part

:33:10. > :33:13.of the Highlands to build a self-sufficient community

:33:14. > :33:18.things quickly went wrong. We'll speak to a contestant from

:33:19. > :33:28.the show Eden about what happened. It is back on Channel 4 tonight.

:33:29. > :33:33.Most parents do everything they can to help children follow their dreams

:33:34. > :33:36.and we meet the sum taking on the role of supporting his mum through

:33:37. > :33:40.her dream of gaining further qualifications.

:33:41. > :33:42.With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

:33:43. > :33:45.A 20-year-old British model who says she kidnapped for almost a week

:33:46. > :33:51.Chloe Ayling says she feared for her life "second by second"

:33:52. > :33:53.and claims she was drugged, stuffed in a suitcase and threatened

:33:54. > :33:58.with being sold as a sex slave after being booked

:33:59. > :34:02.Italian police say the model was attacked and drugged by two people.

:34:03. > :34:06.A Polish man who lives in the UK has been arrested on kidnapping charges.

:34:07. > :34:09.New laws which will give people more control over what happens

:34:10. > :34:12.to their personal data online are to be introduced.

:34:13. > :34:14.The government is billing the changes as the right

:34:15. > :34:18.People will be able to ask for personal data or material

:34:19. > :34:23.they posted when they were children to be deleted.

:34:24. > :34:25.Police in Brazil say a British woman has been shot and wounded

:34:26. > :34:29.Officials say a couple and their three children

:34:30. > :34:36.were targeted by an armed group after taking a wrong turn.

:34:37. > :34:39.The woman's condition isn't thought to be life threatening.

:34:40. > :34:41.The Foreign Office says it is in touch with

:34:42. > :34:48.Disruption expected from a major upgrade at the UK's busiest

:34:49. > :34:50.train station has not materialised with many trains

:34:51. > :34:53.More than half of platforms at London's Waterloo station

:34:54. > :34:56.are closed, so they can be extended to accommodate longer trains.

:34:57. > :34:58.They will remain closed until 28th August.

:34:59. > :34:59.Network Rail has warned of "challenging days"

:35:00. > :35:08.An average of 270,000 journeys are made to and from Waterloo every day.

:35:09. > :35:11.Mollie King is the first celebrity dancer confirmed to be taking part

:35:12. > :35:13.in the new series of Strictly Come Dancing.

:35:14. > :35:15.The 30-year-old singer from The Saturdays said

:35:16. > :35:18.she was "so excited" to be a contestant in the

:35:19. > :35:23.The new series starts on BBC One next month.

:35:24. > :35:28.Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:35:29. > :35:43.Good morning. Dave four of the world athletics Championships. Quiet at

:35:44. > :35:48.the London stadium with no morning session so we are reflecting on

:35:49. > :35:52.yesterday and what was two different reactions to two different medal

:35:53. > :35:57.ceremonies with warm applause for Jessica Ennis-Hill as she received a

:35:58. > :36:03.retrospective gold medal but booing for Justin Gatlin as he received his

:36:04. > :36:07.100 metres gold. Great Britain have only won one gold medal so far but

:36:08. > :36:13.hoped the best at night as Laura Muir and Laura Weightman go in the

:36:14. > :36:18.1500 metres final. Laura Muir is hoping to do the 5000 and 1500

:36:19. > :36:22.metres double. Sophie Hitchon is a medal hope that she goes in the

:36:23. > :36:27.final of the hammer. The Olympic bronze medallist goes for a gold

:36:28. > :36:32.medal at 7pm. In the next half-hour, England's cricketers will get day

:36:33. > :36:34.four of the final test against South Africa under way and are on course

:36:35. > :36:41.for a series win against the tourists.

:36:42. > :36:49.Charlie said his mum left school with no convocations but re-entered

:36:50. > :36:55.education at 36 and did a doctorate in her 40s and now is a special

:36:56. > :37:01.reality engineer. The idea she was not wired right probably caused her

:37:02. > :37:02.to leave it so late. This belief in genetic difference helps no one.

:37:03. > :37:05.Last year, 23 people who'd been selected for their specific skills -

:37:06. > :37:12.such as a doctor, shepherdess, plumber - were sent to live

:37:13. > :37:15.on a remote part of the Highlands and given basic tools and supplies

:37:16. > :37:16.to build a self-sufficient community.

:37:17. > :37:21.The idea was a social experiment from Channel 4.

:37:22. > :37:23.But things quickly went wrong with claims of bullying, cliques,

:37:24. > :37:26.fights, dog-eat-dog rivalry and rampant sexism

:37:27. > :37:30.with dominant members of the group accused of trying to starve out

:37:31. > :37:42.In March 2016, Channel 4 cut off 23 Brits from the outside world.

:37:43. > :37:47.Tasked with starting a new society from scratch...

:37:48. > :37:52.It's 12 months, and there's no contact.

:37:53. > :38:01.Us men need to do the manly jobs - the women need to do the women jobs.

:38:02. > :38:06.And you're the most horrible group of men I've ever met in my life!

:38:07. > :38:08.It's a muddy, dark, stinking hellhole.

:38:09. > :38:11.Human nature's darker side, shown over five nights.

:38:12. > :38:17.The series was taken off air after the first four episodes,

:38:18. > :38:20.but the group were left there, and every night this week

:38:21. > :38:23.at 10pm on Channel 4, we'll see what happened to them.

:38:24. > :38:26.We can speak now to Katie Tunn, who was a participant on the programme.

:38:27. > :38:28.Kelly Webb-Lamb, Channel 4's Head of Factual Entertainment.

:38:29. > :38:33.And entertainment journalist and TV critic Emma Bullimore.

:38:34. > :38:47.Welcome. How was it? It was brilliant and awful and easy and

:38:48. > :38:52.really tough. Everything happens. It was a life changing experience. Give

:38:53. > :38:58.us an example of a high. The sunsets. We were in paradise, one of

:38:59. > :39:02.the most beautiful places you could imagine in the UK. Seeing the

:39:03. > :39:08.sunset, you could have a bad day and he would see the sunset over the

:39:09. > :39:12.hills, there will be seals, Eagles, it was pretty amazing. What was your

:39:13. > :39:17.motivation to be part of it? If you are given an opportunity that is

:39:18. > :39:22.unusual, when do you get the chance to almost press pause on your life

:39:23. > :39:31.and go away and try something new? I live on the Isle of Skye and love

:39:32. > :39:34.that landscape. It is brilliant to be out in nature so this was perhaps

:39:35. > :39:36.the next step of being more in nature and living with the

:39:37. > :39:44.environment and trying to live with the environment rather than against

:39:45. > :39:49.it. What went wrong? The trouble is, we went... People are very skilled.

:39:50. > :39:53.We have people with wonderful skills, carpentry skills, whatever,

:39:54. > :39:57.but we did not share the same goal. People had different ideas of what

:39:58. > :40:02.they wanted to gain from it and however great your skills, if you do

:40:03. > :40:06.not want to achieve the same thing... There was a competitive

:40:07. > :40:11.element which is not conducive for creating a community. Were some

:40:12. > :40:16.people there to survive in some like you to start afresh and see if you

:40:17. > :40:22.could create a new society? The idea of survival was problematic. There

:40:23. > :40:26.were people who went in for different reasons but the people who

:40:27. > :40:29.went in for survival, if you are trying to survive you are perhaps

:40:30. > :40:34.insulating yourself and not looking for attributes in others that can

:40:35. > :40:39.work in a community. If you try to survive, you are perhaps trying to

:40:40. > :40:45.make sure you are doing the best and it becomes competitive, which is not

:40:46. > :40:51.good for creating a community. Kelly, are you pleased with this

:40:52. > :40:57.outcome? That some people left? Some people hated it. There was sexism. I

:40:58. > :41:06.think pleased is not a word I would use. I think the outcome is

:41:07. > :41:09.genuinely interesting. For us, surprising, but also it has had

:41:10. > :41:16.something quite important to say about who we are as people and about

:41:17. > :41:21.society. What has been interesting for me about the project is that the

:41:22. > :41:25.idea at the beginning as Katie says was about starting a society from

:41:26. > :41:31.scratch and that was the question at the start of the series, what would

:41:32. > :41:36.happen if we could start again? Actually, it does go to a very dark

:41:37. > :41:41.and quite uncomfortable place in lots of different ways. What is

:41:42. > :41:47.interesting about that is, for me watching it, you think, do you know

:41:48. > :41:52.what, I am lucky that I live, I am glad I live in a society with laws

:41:53. > :41:57.and rules and conventions on how we behave and expectations of how men

:41:58. > :42:04.and women behave towards each other and have a strong perhaps look after

:42:05. > :42:07.the week and the structures of society are good for us all rather

:42:08. > :42:11.than something that perhaps you think, let's get rid of it, wouldn't

:42:12. > :42:16.it be great to live somewhere where we can do what we wanted. That is

:42:17. > :42:24.what is interesting about it. You have seen a preview, what think? It

:42:25. > :42:28.is interesting, the start of a utopian vision, harking back to old

:42:29. > :42:32.days of TV where it was a social experiment. It is quite disturbing.

:42:33. > :42:38.I saw a preview of the first episode and I know it gets darker. It is the

:42:39. > :42:43.creeping elements of misogyny. It was just the way the male

:42:44. > :42:47.participants seem to treat the female participants as different, we

:42:48. > :42:52.can members of the group, when it is supposed to be an egalitarian

:42:53. > :42:56.society. It is alarming especially as in shows like Big Brother we are

:42:57. > :43:01.used to seeing reduces intervened to say it is bullying, that did not

:43:02. > :43:06.happen in this show and you have to ask whether responsibility is. With

:43:07. > :43:12.Channel 4 and the people who took part, presumably, but you selected

:43:13. > :43:17.those people. You have an idea that they are misogynistic for example?

:43:18. > :43:21.Really, the way it ended up going was a nap salutes are brights.

:43:22. > :43:26.People were selected for their skills and everybody had something

:43:27. > :43:35.to offer, a hunter, fishermen, it was people there who could create a

:43:36. > :43:44.new society. I think from our point of view, duty of care is absolutely

:43:45. > :43:48.essential. The premise of the project was this was unlike reality

:43:49. > :43:53.TV where producers are pulling the strings all the time. It was

:43:54. > :43:57.completely hands-off. It was this is the project and the cameras were

:43:58. > :44:01.there to film it. They were monitored all the time and they

:44:02. > :44:05.could leave, which many did. There was a psychologist if they wanted to

:44:06. > :44:10.speak to them. What was the worst bit and why did you stick it out? I

:44:11. > :44:16.cannot go into detail because it is on the programme, but, I don't know,

:44:17. > :44:20.there were times when you just thought... You missed family and

:44:21. > :44:28.friends at home. You would have expected that. It is the unexpected

:44:29. > :44:35.Ewing countered that is interesting. You take the network -- unexpected

:44:36. > :44:39.that Ewing countered. Being able to get away from the problem and being

:44:40. > :44:47.able to talk to a different set of people or get some space in and

:44:48. > :44:52.issue but there you cannot come you see them every day. You have to face

:44:53. > :44:57.up to thing. There is no white noise to forget about things. In terms of

:44:58. > :45:04.why I stuck it out, partially stubbornness. Good. And no regrets.

:45:05. > :45:09.It was really difficult. Some of the most difficult times I had were in

:45:10. > :45:16.there. But at the same time it was an opportunity. See how you can do

:45:17. > :45:19.it. We look forward to watching. Thanks for coming on the programme.

:45:20. > :45:22.Tonight at ten o'clock on Channel 4. A NHS specialist has told this

:45:23. > :45:24.programme of his anger that his British wife

:45:25. > :45:27.and their three young children have been stranded on opposite sides

:45:28. > :45:29.of the Atlantic because this government won't let the couple's

:45:30. > :45:32.two adopted children into the UK. Patrick Thies, an American

:45:33. > :45:33.orthopaedic surgeon who was recruited to work

:45:34. > :45:35.at Birmingham Hospital, says he may now have to give

:45:36. > :45:39.up his job to return to his family The family initially

:45:40. > :45:42.applied for the wrong visa But they say the way British

:45:43. > :45:50.authorities have treated their birth son and adopted sons

:45:51. > :45:54.differently is unforgivable. We spoke earlier to Patrick

:45:55. > :45:57.from Oregon in the US where he is now living

:45:58. > :46:02.with their two adopted sons and Gillian Thies

:46:03. > :46:04.in our Birmingham studio, who told us more about

:46:05. > :46:06.how the family found My oldest two children,

:46:07. > :46:10.who are American, and also adopted, they were denied entry

:46:11. > :46:12.when we arrived at We've spent thousands over the last

:46:13. > :46:20.year and a half trying to get them here permanently

:46:21. > :46:22.and legally, and we've So about a month ago we got

:46:23. > :46:30.a letter saying the most recent attempt was denied

:46:31. > :46:32.and so they had to leave And, Patrick, that's where

:46:33. > :46:38.you are with your two adopted sons, Benjamin and Edward,

:46:39. > :46:42.aged ten and 12. Is the issue that they

:46:43. > :46:44.are adopted as opposed I think both of them are an issue,

:46:45. > :46:55.both as adoptive children - UK law says that they cannot be

:46:56. > :47:00.treated any differently than biological children,

:47:01. > :47:04.but immigration thinks otherwise Well, again, following UK law,

:47:05. > :47:10.they're my children - they're our children,

:47:11. > :47:12.and I don't treat them any differently than

:47:13. > :47:17.my biological child. This has been going on now, Gillian,

:47:18. > :47:21.for long enough - long enough. Hopefully now that they're back

:47:22. > :47:37.in the States and they have applied for another visa,

:47:38. > :47:39.and we are hoping that it will be granted very soon -

:47:40. > :47:41.this week, hopefully, We'd just like to have them back

:47:42. > :47:45.as soon as possible. What impact is it having

:47:46. > :47:47.on your family life? Well, total - we're completely

:47:48. > :47:50.separated and we can't make I have no idea when they're

:47:51. > :47:57.going to be back. Obviously it's expensive,

:47:58. > :47:59.having to buy plane tickets And, Patrick, can you

:48:00. > :48:10.describe to our audience what it was like when the children

:48:11. > :48:13.were originally detained arriving It was a little scary for them

:48:14. > :48:20.because they were fingerprinted Now, it was a very nice holding

:48:21. > :48:24.cell, but they knew for sure that they were being detained

:48:25. > :48:27.by immigration and the border patrol, and they had no idea why

:48:28. > :48:32.and what was going on. OK, so how do you think this

:48:33. > :48:37.is going to be resolved? Well, ideally, someone

:48:38. > :48:42.at the governmental level will look at it and say that this is silly

:48:43. > :48:47.and approve either the visas, or even better - their mother

:48:48. > :48:50.is British and just accept that British citizens and give them that,

:48:51. > :48:53.but it's just a matter of time There were brought in,

:48:54. > :48:59.your adopted boys, they were brought It was clear that it

:49:00. > :49:04.wasn't just going to be for tourism purposes,

:49:05. > :49:07.for a short visit, so I wonder if you could argue the immigration

:49:08. > :49:12.laws have been applied correctly? Oh, absolutely, and that's something

:49:13. > :49:18.that I've said repeatedly, is the immigration laws

:49:19. > :49:22.were applied throughout this. The drawback is we called the UK

:49:23. > :49:25.Government before we started this whole process and this

:49:26. > :49:30.is what they told us to do - come into the country

:49:31. > :49:33.as American tourists, change their status in country

:49:34. > :49:37.to dependent visas. As it turns out, that

:49:38. > :49:39.advice was incorrect, We were following

:49:40. > :49:45.governmental advice. That they had to leave the country

:49:46. > :49:52.and apply as Patrick's There's no way for me to get them

:49:53. > :50:00.here as my dependents, So that's what we decided to do,

:50:01. > :50:08.to send them out of the country We thought it would take two weeks,

:50:09. > :50:13.and then the most recent news was 12 weeks, so that was another

:50:14. > :50:16.shock to us. But if things go according to plan,

:50:17. > :50:20.doing it that way might mean Patrick can return to his job in Birmingham

:50:21. > :50:23.where you are, and your two older And then my contract is up,

:50:24. > :50:32.and then I get placed... Or they've already told me

:50:33. > :50:38.that they are going to give me definite work at that point,

:50:39. > :50:41.or a contract, then we'll have to redo all three visas to become

:50:42. > :50:43.indefinite work contracts. Well, thank you both -

:50:44. > :50:48.thank you very much for talking We asked the Home Office for comment

:50:49. > :50:57.on the Thies family's situation. They told us, "We do not routinely

:50:58. > :50:59.comment on individual cases. All applications for leave

:51:00. > :51:01.to remain are considered on their individual merits in line

:51:02. > :51:11.with the immigration rules." Thank you for your messages about

:51:12. > :51:14.our film following Lily and Jessica, two of Britain's youngest

:51:15. > :51:20.transgender children. We have been following them for a couple of

:51:21. > :51:26.years. This texter says, "I am the carer of a trans child. It is not a

:51:27. > :51:29.path I would have chosen to go down and seeing him struggle daily

:51:30. > :51:33.getting dressed with a developing female body is torturous. As a

:51:34. > :51:36.family, it is a massive journey, but as long as he is happy and safe and

:51:37. > :51:40.doing well in school, we will support whatever path he chooses. I

:51:41. > :51:45.wish others would give him the same respect." This from Tracey, "My

:51:46. > :51:49.partner told me at the age of 47 that she wanted to transition. It

:51:50. > :51:53.was tough at first, but ten years on, she is now happier than ever.

:51:54. > :51:58.The boy shell she had to live in was killing her. She is known since she

:51:59. > :52:03.was seven. Let the kids who they want to be. It save years of

:52:04. > :52:07.heartache." David e-mails this, "I'm watching your programme today

:52:08. > :52:13.regarding transgender and regarding age, I have had this since the age

:52:14. > :52:17.of six to seven. And have suffered for over 60 years, 60 years, you

:52:18. > :52:21.know your thoughts, but in my case, you were told to get a grip or

:52:22. > :52:27.offered electric shock treatment." Thank you. Wendy says, "I have a

:52:28. > :52:30.grandchild who is transgender who presented with a preferred gender

:52:31. > :52:37.behaviours from the age of three. Another grandson at a similar age

:52:38. > :52:41.when I called him chicken went on to say "I am a little boy." Children do

:52:42. > :52:47.identity with their gender. Thank you for your programme it does

:52:48. > :52:53.help." Re-Decca says "How can a child of three articulate they want

:52:54. > :52:56.to be the opposite sex?" Deborah says, "I am a transgender female. I

:52:57. > :53:03.have known that I was different from the age of four, but back in the 70s

:53:04. > :53:06.the world was a very different place to live than today. There is a lot

:53:07. > :53:11.more understanding for people like me today. I am still doing the same

:53:12. > :53:14.job, driving freight trains. All the lads I work with have been great

:53:15. > :53:16.with me in letting me find the person that I need to be." Thank you

:53:17. > :53:28.very much for those. A 20-year-old British model says she

:53:29. > :53:35.was kidnapped for a week in northern Italy. She claims she was drugged,

:53:36. > :53:40.stuffed in a suitcase and threatened with being sold as a sex slave after

:53:41. > :53:45.being booked for a photo-shoot. She has return to Britain and has been

:53:46. > :53:48.speaking to an Italian reporter outside her house.

:53:49. > :54:07.TRANSLATION: I have been through a terrifying experience.

:54:08. > :54:18.More throughout the day on BBC News. A son has done something really

:54:19. > :54:25.special for his mum. He's a youth worker and music

:54:26. > :54:29.producer who is 23. Just over a week ago, he started

:54:30. > :54:36.the fundraising page for his mum. Tell our audience what issue was?

:54:37. > :54:40.Right, OK. My mum got accepted to university in West London quite a

:54:41. > :54:46.while ago and she was really excited by it and we were looking for

:54:47. > :54:50.funding because we didn't have any student finance support because she

:54:51. > :54:53.was older. We applied for a loan via the professional career service and

:54:54. > :54:57.they rejected it for many different reasons and once that happened, I

:54:58. > :55:05.was looking everywhere for any support and I know for young people

:55:06. > :55:11.it is easy to find support. But for older people it's harder. Just for

:55:12. > :55:18.my mum to do it by herself is really hard. I thought I should step in and

:55:19. > :55:26.find solutions and GoFundMe Was the only solution. And what you wrote on

:55:27. > :55:35.GoFundMe You told everybody about your mum's love of cooking. Tell me

:55:36. > :55:40.about your love of cooking? I was growing up, what do we want? My mum

:55:41. > :55:53.always provided. For me, cooking is passion. I don't mind the time. I

:55:54. > :55:58.just cook it. Before you can start this course at university, which is

:55:59. > :56:03.to do with cooking, you need this NVQ, don't you, you need this

:56:04. > :56:14.qualification first, you can't get funding for. In terms of the cash on

:56:15. > :56:19.GoFundMe what were you asking for? The fee. I thought about how much as

:56:20. > :56:25.a student we need to survive. So there is a course visa also, travel

:56:26. > :56:29.expenses and all those things. So I just want extra cash for her. I

:56:30. > :56:33.thought maybe something like ?400 would work. I read loads of other

:56:34. > :56:39.people's GoFundMe and there were loads of extra cash for contingency

:56:40. > :56:49.plans. You smashed the goal. Yeah. Yeah. Elnete he told you yesterday.

:56:50. > :56:53.How did you react? I was in shock. How do you feel about going to

:56:54. > :56:58.college in September? I'm excited to start it. Well, well done you. Thank

:56:59. > :57:04.you. Good luck. Thank you. With the course and enjoy! I will. I'm sure

:57:05. > :57:14.you will. Thank you both for coming on the programme. Nice to meet you.

:57:15. > :57:19.The new female Doctor Who has given her first interview. Let's hear from

:57:20. > :57:24.her. It has been incredible. The build up has been for a very long

:57:25. > :57:27.time for me. The build up only lasted three days because the promo

:57:28. > :57:34.happened on the Friday and then the reveal happened on the Sunday, but

:57:35. > :57:38.for me that had been months of secrecy and silent enjoyment, but

:57:39. > :57:41.not being able to share it with anyone and then the relief of it

:57:42. > :57:47.being public knowledge and knowing that I hadn't leaked and all those

:57:48. > :57:52.things has been amazing and to see the filtered prism that people send

:57:53. > :57:58.me things has been hugely positive and that is a wonderful way to start

:57:59. > :58:02.this massive journey. It will be for the rest of your life as well. It's

:58:03. > :58:08.one of the only roles you can only say you are that character forever.

:58:09. > :58:11.We still always associate the previous doctors with those roles

:58:12. > :58:15.and that's one honour to know that it is not just a moment in your

:58:16. > :58:20.career. It is potentially for the rest of your career that you are in

:58:21. > :58:24.the best way celebrated and defined by.

:58:25. > :58:29.Yody Whitaker. She will be amazing of the she is one superb actress.

:58:30. > :58:42.Thank you for your company today. We're back tomorrow at 9am.

:58:43. > :58:44...this season, the whole game in full

:58:45. > :58:49.It's been a knockout day in the Premier League.