10/08/2017

:00:09. > :00:13.Good morning. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Welcome to the

:00:14. > :00:16.programme. "Only absolute force

:00:17. > :00:18.can work on him" - says North Korea as it accuses

:00:19. > :00:21.Donald Trump of being bereft of reason and claims it's making

:00:22. > :00:24.a plan to fire four rockets at the American territory

:00:25. > :00:34.of Guam within days. An attack or threat on Guam is an

:00:35. > :00:36.attack on the United States. They have said America will be defended.

:00:37. > :00:39.We are talking to a family from the pacific island of Guam,

:00:40. > :00:42.caught in the middle of this war of words - about how

:00:43. > :00:45.Very serious warnings this morning that homelessness could rise

:00:46. > :00:52.Right now around a quarter of a million people are caught

:00:53. > :00:55.in the homeless trap, rough sleeping, in hostels, cars,

:00:56. > :01:01.We look at the picture across the UK - and what can be done about it.

:01:02. > :01:03.Paula and Barry are with us this morning -

:01:04. > :01:06.both lost their jobs and ended up sleeping rough.

:01:07. > :01:09.They will be talking to us just after 9am.

:01:10. > :01:22.If the parents don't have enough money, they can put us into school,

:01:23. > :01:26.then we get to have food. Children in some of the most

:01:27. > :01:29.deprived parts of Wales are getting free meals during the summer

:01:30. > :01:32.holidays - but should more be done in other parts of the UK

:01:33. > :01:34.to tackle the growing Welcome to the programme,

:01:35. > :01:51.we're live until 11 this morning. We'll bring the latest news

:01:52. > :01:53.and sport and later we're This is the former editor of Vogue

:01:54. > :02:02.magazine Alexandra Shulman, she's posted this on Instagram -

:02:03. > :02:05.no filters no airbrushing, Some are saying it's

:02:06. > :02:12.refreshingly honest and normal, others that it is hypocrisy

:02:13. > :02:14.after years heading a magazine packed with impossibly

:02:15. > :02:19.thin, tanned bodies. As a woman, does an image

:02:20. > :02:27.like this, inspire you? Send me an email victoria@bbc.co.uk

:02:28. > :02:29.use the hashtag #Victorialive. If you text, you will be charged

:02:30. > :02:32.at the standard network rate. North Korea will reveal

:02:33. > :02:35.its plan for firing missiles at a US territory

:02:36. > :02:38.within the next few days - says Pyongyang - and if Kim Jon Un

:02:39. > :02:41.approves, four rockets could shoot over Japan towards the island

:02:42. > :02:51.of Guam with its US military bases. Our correspondent

:02:52. > :02:56.Yogita Limaye has more. North Korean state television showed

:02:57. > :03:02.a mass of people marching in support of the leadership in the country,

:03:03. > :03:06.even as the government These are details of its

:03:07. > :03:10.plan to attack Guam. Four rockets will fly over Japan

:03:11. > :03:13.and land in the Pacific Ocean It's drills by US bomber

:03:14. > :03:23.aircraft like these, which are stationed at Guam,

:03:24. > :03:29.that have angered Pyongyang. While a fierce reaction

:03:30. > :03:31.from North Korea is expected, this time it is matched

:03:32. > :03:33.by aggression from the US president. After saying Pyongyang would be

:03:34. > :03:36.met by fire and fury, Donald Trump boasted about America's

:03:37. > :03:38.nuclear arsenal, a message which will be perceived as another

:03:39. > :03:44.threat by North Korea. It's making people around the world

:03:45. > :03:46.nervous, and many countries Our strong wish is that

:03:47. > :03:52.the United States keeps calm and refrains from any moves that

:03:53. > :03:54.would provoke another party into actions that

:03:55. > :04:04.might be dangerous. The border is just about 50

:04:05. > :04:07.kilometres from here, but things on the streets

:04:08. > :04:11.are not tense. This country has dealt

:04:12. > :04:13.with threats from its neighbour for a long time now,

:04:14. > :04:16.and that's why perhaps now people here are unlikely to believe just

:04:17. > :04:35.yet that this war of words will turn Let's speak to our correspondent

:04:36. > :04:41.lies in see all in South Korea. Let's pick up on that point, the

:04:42. > :04:46.focus is on Guam but you are in a place that lives with this threat

:04:47. > :04:50.everyday -- live in Seoul. For decades the people of South Korea

:04:51. > :04:54.and Seoul have lived with the threat of a massive artillery on their

:04:55. > :05:00.border, and perhaps even the board tick-macro prospect of a nuclear

:05:01. > :05:03.strike. The focus is shifting to Guam, the obscure island stuck in

:05:04. > :05:09.the middle of the Pacific. What's interesting in Seoul is that these

:05:10. > :05:16.people who live every day with the prospect of a military confrontation

:05:17. > :05:21.and as was said in the report, they remained fairly calm. People are

:05:22. > :05:24.heading home here as it is 5pm in the evening. They are a good

:05:25. > :05:31.barometer of how serious the rhetoric is. We've heard from the

:05:32. > :05:37.defence chief of staff who say they are prepared for swift action and

:05:38. > :05:40.reminding everyone of the strong military relationship that South

:05:41. > :05:46.Korea has with the USA. I think if you couple that with stronger words

:05:47. > :05:51.from US Defence Secretary saying North Korea will be greatly

:05:52. > :05:55.overmatched, then the signal is warning Kim Jong-Un then, despite

:05:56. > :06:00.the rhetoric coming from both sides, that if a military confrontation was

:06:01. > :06:04.to come, then to repeat the words of Defence Secretary Mattis, it could

:06:05. > :06:11.be the end of the regime in Pyongyang.

:06:12. > :06:14.Let's bring you the rest of the morning's news.

:06:15. > :06:17.Matthew Price is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:06:18. > :06:20.Northumbria Police has defended paying ?10,000

:06:21. > :06:22.Officers did it to gather information in

:06:23. > :06:27.The force is standing by its actions after 17 - mostly Asian -

:06:28. > :06:29.men and one woman were convicted of grooming vulnerable

:06:30. > :06:33.Critics said it could have put victims at greater risk.

:06:34. > :06:39.The faces of just some of those who abused young women

:06:40. > :06:51.Vulnerable girls were given drinks and drugs and passed around for sex.

:06:52. > :06:54.The gang was caught in one of the biggest child abuse

:06:55. > :06:57.investigations the North of England has seen.

:06:58. > :07:00.But now there are questions, outrage even, over some

:07:01. > :07:06.Was it right to pay a convicted child rapist ?10,000

:07:07. > :07:12.We don't support the police in doing this.

:07:13. > :07:15.We think it was a misguided action, putting a person who had a track

:07:16. > :07:17.record of abusing girls into a situation with other

:07:18. > :07:19.vulnerable girls and perpetrators, and then paying them

:07:20. > :07:35.Northumbria Police has strongly defended the payment.

:07:36. > :07:37.It's surprising and disappointing for the NSPCC to adopt

:07:38. > :07:44.This is an ill-informed position they have taken.

:07:45. > :07:50.The fact is, we absolutely did not plant XY the informant in the midst

:07:51. > :07:57.of vulnerable girls, that did not happen.

:07:58. > :08:00.The force says this information to get convictions stopped

:08:01. > :08:08.Northumbria's Police Commissioner says she was uneasy about paying

:08:09. > :08:09.a rapist, but ultimately she's satisfied everything

:08:10. > :08:16.These are complex cases, and difficult judgments have to be made.

:08:17. > :08:30.Labour has accused the government top selling off valuable hospital

:08:31. > :08:33.assets to help plug a hole in NHS finances. The amount of health

:08:34. > :08:37.Service land in England that has been earmarked for sale has more

:08:38. > :08:41.than doubled in the past year. Analysis commissioned by Labour

:08:42. > :08:46.found 117 sites deemed surplus were still in medical or clinical use.

:08:47. > :08:48.Ministers said selling land would give vital funding for patient care

:08:49. > :08:55.and free up space for housing. Some prisoners should be able to use

:08:56. > :08:59.video calling technology to stay in touch with their families. It could

:09:00. > :09:04.cut reoffending rates, the government has been advised. A

:09:05. > :09:07.review by Lord Farmer suggests so-called virtual visit should be

:09:08. > :09:12.made available for inmates who cannot attend jail because of

:09:13. > :09:15.illness, distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner who

:09:16. > :09:18.receives visits from a visitor is 39% less likely to reoffend than an

:09:19. > :09:22.inmate who had such contact. And we'll have more on this

:09:23. > :09:25.after 10am when we'll be talking to former prisoners

:09:26. > :09:26.and their relatives, and a representative from a social

:09:27. > :09:29.justice charity which works A slowdown in the housing market

:09:30. > :09:33.is spreading from London to other parts of the South East

:09:34. > :09:36.of England, surveyors suggest. The Royal Institution

:09:37. > :09:38.of Chartered Surveyors said the balance of their UK members

:09:39. > :09:41.reporting price rises in July This is partly due to more

:09:42. > :09:48.surveyors in the South East reporting house price falls

:09:49. > :09:52.than the number reporting increases. However, other parts of the country

:09:53. > :10:04.are still on an upward trend. The driver of a double-decker bus

:10:05. > :10:08.has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy London

:10:09. > :10:12.High Street. Police were called early this morning to reports of a

:10:13. > :10:19.bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction in south-west

:10:20. > :10:22.London. The 77 bus was involved. Paramedics treated six passengers at

:10:23. > :10:26.the scene. Two people are still trapped on the upper deck.

:10:27. > :10:32.Schoolchildren in some of the most deprived parts of Wales are getting

:10:33. > :10:37.free school meals during the summer holidays. They are paid for by the

:10:38. > :10:40.Welsh government. Half ?1 million of its education budget is going into

:10:41. > :10:45.these lunch clubs, they include all-day activities. Up to 3 million

:10:46. > :10:49.children across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

:10:50. > :10:53.families can't afford to pay for lunches that are normally provided

:10:54. > :10:57.by schools, according to a report by MPs brought out earlier this year.

:10:58. > :11:02.And we'll bring you an exclusive report on this later in this hour.

:11:03. > :11:10.Facebook has announced its launching a news service designed to compete

:11:11. > :11:14.with television and services like Netflix and Amazon. Users are soon

:11:15. > :11:19.going to see a new watch tap that's going to offer a range of shows,

:11:20. > :11:22.some of which have been funded by the social network. They will also

:11:23. > :11:25.see comments and connect with friends in dedicated groups.

:11:26. > :11:31.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30.

:11:32. > :11:33.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:11:34. > :11:45.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:11:46. > :11:49.For a man who told us yesterday he'd "lost everything",

:11:50. > :11:52.Isaac Makwala has the chance to be a famous world champion tonight.

:11:53. > :11:54.The Botswana sprinter had been banned from competing in London due

:11:55. > :11:56.to the norovirus outbreak, and missed the chance

:11:57. > :12:04.But after his quarantine period ended yesterday afternoon,

:12:05. > :12:07.he was given the chance to run a solo time trial in the 200 metres.

:12:08. > :12:11.He had to achieve the qualifying time.

:12:12. > :12:14.And, roared on by the crowd, he did - and took his place

:12:15. > :12:21.He celebrated with a view press ups to show how fit he was.

:12:22. > :12:24.So around three hours later he was back, and remarkably Makwala

:12:25. > :12:26.came second in his semi-final, qualifying for the final.

:12:27. > :12:28.Just behind him in third was Britain's Nathaneel Mitchell-Blake,

:12:29. > :12:32.The 400 metre champion Wayde Van Niekerk also secured a place.

:12:33. > :12:35.For Makwala though it was all about the chance to race again

:12:36. > :12:52.I wish to thank the IAAF for giving me another chance. The crowd is so

:12:53. > :12:55.amazing. I just want to thank this crowd, they are so amazing.

:12:56. > :12:58.Mo Farah says he feels a "little beaten up" after qualifying

:12:59. > :13:02.He hurt his knee and leg in winning the 10k on Friday night,

:13:03. > :13:05.but says he'll be fit for his last track race at a major competition.

:13:06. > :13:11.and admitted he didn't enjoy running in the rain.

:13:12. > :13:13.He'll also be joined by fellow Briton Andy Butchart

:13:14. > :13:16.after he qualified as a fastest loser from the second heat.

:13:17. > :13:19.Farah's track retirement is just around the corner and says he wants

:13:20. > :13:24.You can't dream of something unless you do something about it.

:13:25. > :13:26.I've been given a chance in life, and I work hard

:13:27. > :13:30.what I've achieved through hard work and keep grafting.

:13:31. > :13:32.To all the kids out there, youngsters, you can be like me,

:13:33. > :13:35.and we've got to start thinking about how we can get

:13:36. > :13:49.the next generation to leave a legacy behind.

:13:50. > :13:51.There was late drama in the women's 400 metres.

:13:52. > :13:52.Olympic champion Shaunae Miller Wee-Bo looked

:13:53. > :13:56.but went from first to fourth in about ten strides.

:13:57. > :14:01.The American Phyllis Francis won gold.

:14:02. > :14:06.England made an impressive start to their defence

:14:07. > :14:08.of the Women's Rugby World Cup, thrashing Spain 56-5 in Dublin.

:14:09. > :14:11.Wales lost to New Zealand, and the hosts Ireland won

:14:12. > :14:12.a nail-biting opener against Australia.

:14:13. > :14:15.They were leading by nine points after Sophie Spence's try,

:14:16. > :14:24.but the Australians fought back, and Ireland just clinched it, 19-17.

:14:25. > :14:28.And Rory McIlory says he has nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA

:14:29. > :14:30.Championship which starts this evening in North Carolina.

:14:31. > :14:32.He's among a top-class field, trying to stop the American Jordan Spieth

:14:33. > :14:42.becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand slam.

:14:43. > :14:49.The biggest challenge in winning will be the incredible talent out

:14:50. > :14:54.there this week. I really don't feel any expectations. This is a chance

:14:55. > :14:58.to complete the career grand slam. I'm here so I'm going to go ahead

:14:59. > :15:03.and try. But I believe I'm going to have plenty of chances and I'm young

:15:04. > :15:08.enough to believe in my abilities that it will happen at some point.

:15:09. > :15:11.Do I have to be the youngest? No, I don't feel that kind of pressure.

:15:12. > :15:16.The number of people who are sleeping rough

:15:17. > :15:18.is going to rise by three-quarters in the next ten years,

:15:19. > :15:22.Nearly 160,000 households, or just under a quarter

:15:23. > :15:26.of a million people, are experiencing the worst forms

:15:27. > :15:30.This includes rough sleeping and sofa surfing.

:15:31. > :15:32.But detailed economic analysis suggests if current housing policies

:15:33. > :15:36.don't change, the figures will keep on rising.

:15:37. > :15:39.It's been carried out by academics at Heriot-Watt University

:15:40. > :15:48.He's a chef who lost his home after becoming unemployed

:15:49. > :15:53.and slept rough for a year in parks and doorways in London.

:15:54. > :15:55.Paula Blennerhassett, a former care worker

:15:56. > :16:03.She spent several months sleeping in her car.

:16:04. > :16:06.Matt Downie is director of policy at the charity Crisis.

:16:07. > :16:09.Bob Blackman who is a Conservative MP for Harrow East and former

:16:10. > :16:13.member of the Communities and Local Government Committee.

:16:14. > :16:18.was given royal assent earlier this year.

:16:19. > :16:23.It puts a legal duty on councils to help people facing homelessness.

:16:24. > :16:25.And in our Oxford studio is Councillor Ed Turner.

:16:26. > :16:28.He's the Local Government Authority's housing spokesperson

:16:29. > :16:36.and deputy leader of Labour run Oxford City Council.

:16:37. > :16:43.Welcome, all of you, thank you very much for coming on the programme.

:16:44. > :16:47.Matt, how do you project future homelessness? Well, the best

:16:48. > :16:50.academics in the field about Heriot-Watt have looked into this,

:16:51. > :16:54.and they have looked at all available data sources for the

:16:55. > :16:58.different forms of homelessness, so rough sleeping, but also people in

:16:59. > :17:01.hostels. They predict the future by looking at the current levels of

:17:02. > :17:05.homelessness and how they are driven, so we know what causes

:17:06. > :17:10.homelessness, for example cuts in certain types of benefits lead to

:17:11. > :17:14.different forms of homelessness. Reduction in provisions for people

:17:15. > :17:19.leads to rub sleeping. So we can reliably predicted, and one of the

:17:20. > :17:22.messages is that we know what causes homelessness and we know what solves

:17:23. > :17:30.it, so this is about political decisions going forward. Did

:17:31. > :17:34.analysis take into account changes from the Homelessness Reduction Bill

:17:35. > :17:37.when it is enacted? We are really interested in how we get these

:17:38. > :17:47.numbers down, and the most rheumatic in terms of solutions can be found

:17:48. > :17:52.in terms of the Homelessness Reduction Act, that will require

:17:53. > :18:05.councils to deal with the problem early. In Wales, it has happened for

:18:06. > :18:09.a couple of years, and... So did the economic analysis take that into

:18:10. > :18:17.account? Yes. I just wanted to check that. Barry, hello to you, very nice

:18:18. > :18:20.to see you. You lost your home after losing your job and very quickly

:18:21. > :18:27.fell into homelessness, tell our audience about the places that you

:18:28. > :18:33.slept in that year. When I became homelessness, I sofa served for a

:18:34. > :18:37.while, then I was in hostels, and there were times when I was sleeping

:18:38. > :18:43.in doorways, times I was sleeping in blocks of flats, or in a Parkway.

:18:44. > :18:49.You mean in the stairwell? Yes, a little bit warmer and a little bit

:18:50. > :18:53.more safe than being on the street. I had never experienced this before,

:18:54. > :18:59.it is the first time I experienced it, and it was a new experience for

:19:00. > :19:03.me. I'm very glad I overcame it. I think it is disgraceful that anybody

:19:04. > :19:08.has to live like that, I am not just talking about me - anybody. What is

:19:09. > :19:14.it like? What words would you use to describe it? I think it is shameful,

:19:15. > :19:17.yeah, that we have to put ourselves in a position where we can evict

:19:18. > :19:28.people and expect them to sleep on the pavement, and it makes you feel

:19:29. > :19:32.like you are isolated, you feel rejected by society. You immediately

:19:33. > :19:38.come under that label where people make stereotypical remarks about

:19:39. > :19:47.you. You encounter more aggression by members of society. And I think

:19:48. > :19:51.it's very difficult to do it day in and day out because you are

:19:52. > :19:56.constantly exhausted, you never have an opportunity to have a decent

:19:57. > :20:03.night's sleep. Let me bring in Paula, Barry has described it, you

:20:04. > :20:07.know, in incredibly sad and articulates terms, and you

:20:08. > :20:11.experienced similar. You were a care worker until you hurt your back, you

:20:12. > :20:15.lost your job, your mobile home, and a new-found yourself living in your

:20:16. > :20:26.car for several months - tell our audience what that is life. It is

:20:27. > :20:32.absolutely terrifying, day by day you are finding something to do, and

:20:33. > :20:41.then at night it is like not knowing who is outside, because to just get

:20:42. > :20:45.some privacy, you put towels up at the windows, just to get that tiny

:20:46. > :20:50.bit of privacy that otherwise you wouldn't get. Eventually, you got

:20:51. > :20:56.into a homeless hostel, so you had a roof over your head, but it still

:20:57. > :21:03.wasn't great, was it? Not at all. I was surrounded 24/7 by alcoholics

:21:04. > :21:06.and track addicts. Some people with mental disabilities. -- drug

:21:07. > :21:15.addicts. Which I could help, because my training in my work helped me

:21:16. > :21:21.deal with that. But it was getting harder to not be drawn into, like,

:21:22. > :21:26.the alcohol stage of it. I had to stay sober 24/7, I couldn't go out,

:21:27. > :21:31.because I was scared I would get pulled into it. So I chose to stay

:21:32. > :21:37.completely sober through that time so that I wouldn't get pulled into

:21:38. > :21:42.the alcohol side of it. Sure. Let me bring in Conservative MP Bob

:21:43. > :21:46.Blackman, the estimates from Crisis are alarming - if things carry on as

:21:47. > :21:51.they are, you have heard they take into account the Bill that God Royal

:21:52. > :21:56.assent earlier this year, as a party that has been in government for many

:21:57. > :22:02.years, do you accept some responsibility? All governments have

:22:03. > :22:07.to accept responsibility for people sleeping rough. Including the

:22:08. > :22:10.Conservative government that has been in power for seven years. The

:22:11. > :22:16.reality is that the reasons for people becoming homelessness are

:22:17. > :22:19.very different... Including cuts to benefits. For the last 30 years,

:22:20. > :22:23.governments of all persuasions have failed to build and of housing in

:22:24. > :22:31.this country to meet demand. We can all agree on that. The good news is

:22:32. > :22:35.that is increasing. I put it to you, including the welfare cuts, the

:22:36. > :22:40.likes that? One of the things that a solution to this... Of course we're

:22:41. > :22:48.just go to talk about solutions, but do you accept that cuts to welfare

:22:49. > :22:52.benefits have contributed partly to homelessness? The important thing is

:22:53. > :22:58.that we build more homes. You are ignoring my question. The reason why

:22:59. > :23:01.benefit cuts have come in is because of the spiralling cost of friends,

:23:02. > :23:06.because of the shortage of supply in the first place. So what we have to

:23:07. > :23:10.do is provide more low-cost housing which councils can then charge

:23:11. > :23:15.rents... The reason you brought in benefit cuts was to reduce the

:23:16. > :23:21.deficit. Indeed, and the housing benefit bill has spiralled out of

:23:22. > :23:25.control over the last ten years. I will try again - do you accept that

:23:26. > :23:31.cuts to welfare benefits have in part contributed to the homelessness

:23:32. > :23:35.problem in Britain? No, because as the housing benefit bill increased,

:23:36. > :23:39.so rents increased, so the reality was that money was being thrown at

:23:40. > :23:42.the problem, rather than dealing with the problem, which is the

:23:43. > :23:47.provision of more housing at an affordable level that people can pay

:23:48. > :23:56.a reasonable rent. What do you say to that? We are going to disagree on

:23:57. > :24:01.welfare, the leading cause of homelessness is the loss of a

:24:02. > :24:04.private tenancy, and that is about the affordability gap. In London and

:24:05. > :24:09.the south-east in particular. I would say that this is not just

:24:10. > :24:16.about welfare, it is about other things too, and if you go back to

:24:17. > :24:19.the early 2000s, both the Major government and the Blair government,

:24:20. > :24:23.there were extraordinary things happening in this country where

:24:24. > :24:26.people from abroad were looking at us, we were tackling homelessness

:24:27. > :24:30.really successfully - so we know what works, we prevent homelessness,

:24:31. > :24:35.that is why the Bill is so important, but when it does happen,

:24:36. > :24:37.you act quickly, get people do permanent accommodation as soon as

:24:38. > :24:43.possible, and don't allow people to sort of get stuck in the

:24:44. > :24:47.homelessness system, people stuck in hostels and night shelters and

:24:48. > :24:50.refuges for far too long. As Paula suggested, there is quite a lot of

:24:51. > :24:58.support needs in the system that can prevent people from moving on. Ed

:24:59. > :25:02.Turner is the leader of Oxford City Council, Labour run, how do you

:25:03. > :25:07.think the Homelessness Reduction Act is going to impact in your area?

:25:08. > :25:12.Will it help people? Will it cause you to stop people becoming

:25:13. > :25:17.homelessness? A lot of councils are doing exactly what the act is asking

:25:18. > :25:20.us to do, and council workers on the front line see the horrible

:25:21. > :25:24.consequences that we have heard about every day and wants to help.

:25:25. > :25:29.Sorry to interrupt, of course they want to help, but we know, because

:25:30. > :25:33.we have covered it many times, that the priorities are the most

:25:34. > :25:39.vulnerable - single women with children, young people et cetera. So

:25:40. > :25:42.people like Paula Barry would not be considered a priority, and this act

:25:43. > :25:49.will make you consider them priority too. A lot of councils have already

:25:50. > :25:53.tried to help. The key thing is how we are able to help, and that is why

:25:54. > :25:57.it is important to return to the point is we have picked up on,

:25:58. > :26:01.making sure there is genuinely affordable accommodation for people

:26:02. > :26:06.to go to. I looked on the internet how many affordable properties there

:26:07. > :26:11.are in Oxford advertised on right move, not one. So build some more

:26:12. > :26:15.houses, then. That is what we are trying to do. But we're not allowed

:26:16. > :26:19.to borrow to build council housing above a certain level. What would be

:26:20. > :26:22.really good is if we can form a delegation to ministers and say

:26:23. > :26:26.let's stop the red tape that is stopping councils building housing,

:26:27. > :26:31.that councils borrowed to build, it makes sense for our communities and

:26:32. > :26:36.will help prevent homelessness. So you are not allowed to borrow to

:26:37. > :26:40.build social housing. There is a cap on borrowing for building housing.

:26:41. > :26:45.There is no cap on councils borrowing for other purposes, only

:26:46. > :26:52.to build housing, it is crazy. What is your limit? It is set in each

:26:53. > :26:56.individual local authority. In my authority, we have got a small

:26:57. > :26:59.amount of headroom left, borrowing headroom, and we are not allowed to

:27:00. > :27:04.borrow beyond that. Every council is in that position, you are not

:27:05. > :27:09.allowed to - it just doesn't make sense. How much are you allowed to

:27:10. > :27:14.borrow? In Oxford, the figure is about 250 million, but we had to

:27:15. > :27:18.borrow 220 million anyway to make a payment to the Government, so we

:27:19. > :27:25.have a small amount of money to play with, and in some cases councils are

:27:26. > :27:32.borrowing up to the limit. Why is a lot of money, you could build

:27:33. > :27:35.thousands of social homes. 220 million has already been paid to

:27:36. > :27:43.the Government because we were required to do that. Councils say,

:27:44. > :27:46.let us borrow to build again. At the same time, let's link housing

:27:47. > :27:53.benefit to real rents in the market. Bob Blackman, your Government is

:27:54. > :27:57.doing this, what do you say to Ed? We have to have more low-cost

:27:58. > :28:03.housing, units that can be provided for as little as ?20,000 per unit,

:28:04. > :28:07.and then allow local authorities to charge the rent on those properties

:28:08. > :28:12.that is commensurate with the cost of providing them, rather than

:28:13. > :28:15.market rents, which of course very difficult to afford, and for people

:28:16. > :28:20.who are unemployed, depending on benefits, it reduces the benefit

:28:21. > :28:24.bill, allows local authorities to develop housing quickly and more

:28:25. > :28:28.cheaply, and it is a solution to the problem of the fact that we are not

:28:29. > :28:33.building and of homes. Right. So with that going to happen, then? It

:28:34. > :28:37.is not a government policy yet, but I am pushing the Government to look

:28:38. > :28:41.at it as one of the solutions. The other solutions, by the way, is

:28:42. > :28:47.housing associations are sitting with large amounts of money in their

:28:48. > :28:55.reserves that could be used to build more social housing. There are also

:28:56. > :29:01.councils sitting with large reserves. What have you got in

:29:02. > :29:04.Oxford? We have got a balance of ?3.5 million over our four year

:29:05. > :29:08.plan, the minimum we are allowed to go down too. Are not as much as

:29:09. > :29:13.some. People are not sitting on a war chest, we just want to build

:29:14. > :29:21.council houses. Some councils are, thank you very much. Paul says there

:29:22. > :29:23.is little chance of solving the homelessness problem when rough

:29:24. > :29:27.sleepers are treated as criminals. Very disturbing to see the projected

:29:28. > :29:32.figures, I live in Runcorn, I have seen the first cases of homeless

:29:33. > :29:35.people sleeping rough. It is even worse in Liverpool. The bedroom tax

:29:36. > :29:42.and universal credit have been a big factor in people losing their

:29:43. > :29:48.houses, amongst other things. And pizzas, I was homeless for two

:29:49. > :29:51.years, and councils do not care one bit, and only a homelessness charity

:29:52. > :29:53.helped me, I am now a share. Thanks very much for coming on the

:29:54. > :29:54.programme. Still to come, North Korea

:29:55. > :30:06.accuses Donald Trump It talks about plans for sending

:30:07. > :30:10.four rockets into the sea around the island of Guam. We'll be speaking to

:30:11. > :30:18.a teacher on the Pacific island which has suddenly found itself at

:30:19. > :30:22.the centre of a crisis. With some schools in Wales offering free meals

:30:23. > :30:23.during the holidays, should more be done to tackle holiday hunger in

:30:24. > :30:26.other parts of the country? Here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom

:30:27. > :30:29.with a summary of today's news. North Korea says its plan to fire

:30:30. > :30:33.four missiles near the US territory of Guam will soon be ready,

:30:34. > :30:36.as a war of words with State media said rockets would pass

:30:37. > :30:41.over Japan and land in the sea about 17 miles from Guam,

:30:42. > :30:43.if the plan was approved It denounced Donald Trump's warnings

:30:44. > :30:50.of "fire and fury" and said the US A police chief has said paying

:30:51. > :30:57.a child rapist ?10,000 as part of an investigation into a grooming

:30:58. > :31:02.gang was the "right thing". Northumbria Police's Steve Ashman

:31:03. > :31:05.said the information provided by the man led to the conviction

:31:06. > :31:08.of 17 men and a woman Charities have criticised the force

:31:09. > :31:14.for paying the criminal. Labour has accused the government

:31:15. > :31:17.of selling off valuable hospital assets to help plug a hole

:31:18. > :31:21.in NHS finances. The amount of Health Service land

:31:22. > :31:24.in England that has been earmarked for sale has more than doubled

:31:25. > :31:26.in the past year. Analysis commissioned by Labour

:31:27. > :31:30.found 117 sites deemed surplus were still in medical

:31:31. > :31:34.or clinical use. Ministers said selling

:31:35. > :31:36.land would give vital funding for patient care, and free

:31:37. > :31:43.up space for much-needed housing. Some prisoners should be able to use

:31:44. > :31:47.video calling technology to stay It could cut reoffending rates,

:31:48. > :31:53.the government has been advised. A review by Lord Farmer suggests

:31:54. > :31:56.so-called virtual visits should be made available for inmates whose

:31:57. > :31:58.family members who cannot attend jail because of illness,

:31:59. > :32:03.distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner

:32:04. > :32:06.who receives visits from a visitor is 39% less likely to reoffend

:32:07. > :32:08.than an inmate who had The driver of a double-decker bus

:32:09. > :32:18.has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy

:32:19. > :32:20.London High Street. Police were called early this

:32:21. > :32:23.morning to reports of a bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction

:32:24. > :32:28.in south-west London. Paramedics treated six

:32:29. > :32:34.passengers at the scene. Two people are still

:32:35. > :32:40.trapped on the upper deck. Schoolchildren in some of the most

:32:41. > :32:42.deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals

:32:43. > :32:45.during the summer holidays. They are paid for by

:32:46. > :32:47.the Welsh government. ?0.5 million of its education budget

:32:48. > :32:51.is going into these lunch clubs, Up to 3 million children

:32:52. > :32:57.across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

:32:58. > :32:59.families can't afford to pay for lunches that are normally

:33:00. > :33:01.provided by schools, according to a report by MPs brought

:33:02. > :33:10.out earlier this year. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:33:11. > :33:25.News - more at 10:00am. Isaac Makwala could become one of

:33:26. > :33:28.the strangers but most celebrated world champions later after being

:33:29. > :33:33.banned from competing in London because of a Norah virus outbreak.

:33:34. > :33:37.The Botswana sprinter was given a reprieve via this time trial which

:33:38. > :33:42.he used to get through to the semifinals. Later on he made the

:33:43. > :33:47.final, which is tonight. He was particularly happy and full of beans

:33:48. > :33:52.as well. Mo Farah's progress to the 5000 metres final was secured. He

:33:53. > :33:58.hurt his knee and a leg in winning the 10,000 metres the other day but

:33:59. > :34:02.insisted he would be OK for his race on Saturday. Ireland held on to win

:34:03. > :34:07.their opening match in the women's rugby World Cup beating Australia

:34:08. > :34:12.19-17 in Dublin thanks in part to that late try. England won

:34:13. > :34:16.comfortably but Wales lost to New Zealand. Rory McIlroy said he has

:34:17. > :34:20.nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA championship which starts later

:34:21. > :34:24.today in North Carolina. He is among a top-class field, trying to stop

:34:25. > :34:29.Jordan Spieth becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand

:34:30. > :34:34.slam, he's just 24. Will be live at the London Stadium looking at what's

:34:35. > :34:37.to come ahead in the world athletics Championships at 10am.

:34:38. > :34:40.North Korea says its plan for a missile strike on the US

:34:41. > :34:45.territory of Guam will be ready by mid August.

:34:46. > :34:47.State media says that if Kim Jong-un approves,

:34:48. > :34:51.rockets will shoot over Japan and land in the sea about 17 miles

:34:52. > :34:57.from the island's military bases, just hours after Donald Trump

:34:58. > :34:59.promised to meet any threat to the United States

:35:00. > :35:04.He tweeted another statement saying, "My first order as President

:35:05. > :35:11.was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal."

:35:12. > :35:14."It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before."

:35:15. > :35:17.He also adds, "Hopefully we will never have to use this power,

:35:18. > :35:20.but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful

:35:21. > :35:32.Well it's already 10th August, so how worried should the world be?

:35:33. > :35:34.Let's go live to Guam and talk to Nelia Grace Mercado

:35:35. > :35:41.Neila is a teacher on the island and works for the US

:35:42. > :35:44.Department of Defence at one of their military bases.

:35:45. > :35:47.Victoria Guerrero is also from Guam and says she is "terrified"

:35:48. > :35:55.Karin von Hippel from the defense think-tank Rusi,

:35:56. > :35:58.as well as Dr James Hoare, who used to be Britain's most senior

:35:59. > :36:18.Nelia, tell me how you and your relatives and children are feeling

:36:19. > :36:21.on the island right now? What I'm sensing from a friends on social

:36:22. > :36:26.media and the friends I see everyday, although we are getting as

:36:27. > :36:30.year and says from a government that we are prepared to protect ourselves

:36:31. > :36:37.should North Korea send a missile hour wait, we are carrying anxiety

:36:38. > :36:42.under our hearts in our day-to-day lives. Our governor has asked us to

:36:43. > :36:51.stay calm and proceed with our lives, but it's quite difficult to

:36:52. > :36:58.do so. This is the first time that we've heard any formal threat from

:36:59. > :37:05.North Korea. We are anxious about what's to come, particularly the

:37:06. > :37:11.latest news that they are going to or are threatening to approve the

:37:12. > :37:16.release of those missiles, miles away from Guam. We are very

:37:17. > :37:21.concerned despite assurances from our local government leaders. You

:37:22. > :37:27.tweeted the president Donald Trump. We can have a look at that now. You

:37:28. > :37:32.showed a picture of yourself and your children. Why did you do that?

:37:33. > :37:39.I thought it was important for the president to see the faces of Guam.

:37:40. > :37:49.Guam isn't some abstract point on the map with an American flag on it.

:37:50. > :37:56.It's a dimensional community. We have a history and a culture, we

:37:57. > :38:02.have life that people are fighting to keep, survive and thrive with.

:38:03. > :38:07.Much like that of any other community in the United States. I

:38:08. > :38:13.wanted him to understand that their faces. Also, to release the lack of

:38:14. > :38:22.understanding that much of our nation might have, if not enough

:38:23. > :38:25.misunderstanding, of what Guam is. I stated to your producer that even

:38:26. > :38:31.Fox News didn't get their facts right about Guam. For the sake of my

:38:32. > :38:41.island, I wanted the president to see that there are valuable lives

:38:42. > :38:49.here, much like his and any of the people in the USA. We are as complex

:38:50. > :38:55.and as alive as any of the states, and I wanted him to be aware of the

:38:56. > :38:59.faces for which he is responsible. Are you sending him that photo of

:39:00. > :39:02.your family because you want to protect you, or are you sending it

:39:03. > :39:10.to say please tone down your language? I'm sending it that photo

:39:11. > :39:22.for him to be aware. OK. Let me bring in Victoria. What is your view

:39:23. > :39:26.of what is going on right now? Do you really think North Korea could

:39:27. > :39:30.potentially send four rockets into the sea around Guam in the next

:39:31. > :39:35.week? I think they have the capability, yes. She was right that

:39:36. > :39:39.this is the first time we are hearing such a direct threat in

:39:40. > :39:43.terms of here is the time we are going to attack, this is the kind of

:39:44. > :39:48.attack we are going to do. Guam is readily caught in the middle of

:39:49. > :39:53.other countries conflicts. We have been told in the past that we would

:39:54. > :40:03.be attacked by North Korea or China. I believe China has missiles called

:40:04. > :40:08.the Guam killers. As a mother, this causes a lot of anxiety. Largely

:40:09. > :40:13.because it is important to understand Guam's history and that

:40:14. > :40:19.we are a unique people in the world. The indigenous people of our island

:40:20. > :40:23.have been here for 4000 years. We have been colonised for centuries

:40:24. > :40:29.and our relationship to America is that of a UN recognised colony.

:40:30. > :40:34.These conflicts are happening without anything to do with us. The

:40:35. > :40:41.military presence here has been without our consent. You used to be

:40:42. > :40:46.written's most senior diplomat in North Korea, if North Korea fires

:40:47. > :40:54.rockets into the sea around Guam, is that an act of war? Probably not. I

:40:55. > :40:57.think we are jumping rather ahead. They've talked about making a plan,

:40:58. > :41:02.then that plan has to be approved. What I think they are doing is

:41:03. > :41:06.saying we could do this. They are hoping there will be some response

:41:07. > :41:10.so they can draw back. I don't think the North Koreans are actually

:41:11. > :41:19.suicidal, and I think that they are concerned that Mr Trump makes these

:41:20. > :41:23.sorts of throwaway remarks, and that they need to do something to say

:41:24. > :41:30.that you can't do this without a possible consequence. I don't think

:41:31. > :41:35.they will necessarily fire their rockets at Guam. If they do, I don't

:41:36. > :41:38.think those rockets are likely to be terribly successful. One of the

:41:39. > :41:43.things I think the North Koreans still cannot guarantee is the

:41:44. > :41:51.accuracy of their weaponry of that type. If they do, what would you

:41:52. > :41:56.expect Donald Trump to do? I have no idea in the world. What would you

:41:57. > :42:01.say? It's hard to say. What you are seeing is a US president that has an

:42:02. > :42:04.ad hoc foreign policy. He doesn't have a team that comes together and

:42:05. > :42:09.agrees on a strategy and then they all follow it. Secretary of State

:42:10. > :42:14.Rex Tillerson says one thing, Trump says another thing and Mike Pence

:42:15. > :42:17.says another thing. It's a really uncomfortable situation. They are

:42:18. > :42:23.like this on all foreign policy issues but this is potentially the

:42:24. > :42:30.most dangerous. Although they may not agree on a formal policy, it

:42:31. > :42:38.seems clear to me Donald Trump is saying if you do anything you will

:42:39. > :42:41.regret it. But a US president should not be threatening to potentially

:42:42. > :42:49.use of nuclear force. The president should be trying to calm the world

:42:50. > :42:53.down. He's talked about firing... He has ratcheted it up instead of

:42:54. > :42:58.calming down. Dr Hoare, you don't think this is going to be a nuclear

:42:59. > :43:06.war? I don't know, but there have been equally apparently dangerous

:43:07. > :43:10.crises in the past. It's not so long since the North Koreans showed the

:43:11. > :43:15.leader on television with a map on the wall showing the cities of the

:43:16. > :43:19.United States they could attack. The cities, not some intermediate place

:43:20. > :43:23.but actually attacking the USA. Of course, they backed away. They

:43:24. > :43:29.didn't have the capability. They may still not have the capability. I

:43:30. > :43:35.think that, depending on how Washington react, you have signs

:43:36. > :43:40.that the North Koreans would quite like to get out of this tense

:43:41. > :43:48.relationship that has worked up over the last two months. Let's go back

:43:49. > :43:57.to Guam because we can hear from Nelia's son. Hello. How are you?

:43:58. > :44:02.Good. You're talking to Great Britain, welcome and thank you.

:44:03. > :44:08.You're welcome. How are you feeling right now? A bit shy. Don't be,

:44:09. > :44:13.please! What has your man said to you about what's going on in the

:44:14. > :44:24.world with North Korea and other world leaders -- mum? That they are

:44:25. > :44:30.going to launch a missile at Guam, and that's all she has told me. What

:44:31. > :44:36.about the missiles that protect Guam? There's a missile that

:44:37. > :44:46.protects Guam, it it's called the antiballistic missile defence

:44:47. > :44:59.system. Does that make you feel safer? Yes. What about the defences

:45:00. > :45:04.of Guam? There is a system in place for the region, there are US troops

:45:05. > :45:08.throughout the region, US troops in Japan and South Korea, almost 60,000

:45:09. > :45:14.US troops as well as US civilians throughout the region. There are

:45:15. > :45:18.defences everywhere, but this could easily spiral out of control if both

:45:19. > :45:23.leaders are not careful to ratchet it back.

:45:24. > :45:30.Jeshua, finally, what would you say to the leader of North Korea? I

:45:31. > :45:43.would say, please stop, there are families that live here on Guam. My

:45:44. > :45:48.grandma just had knee surgery, she is in the hospital, please stop.

:45:49. > :46:00.Thank you to Jeshua and his mother, and Victoria Guerrero, and Dr James

:46:01. > :46:04.Hoare and Karin von Hippel from Rusi. Let me read this message,

:46:05. > :46:08.Michael said that North Korea consistently threatens the safety of

:46:09. > :46:14.US citizens and Rock write the response, and somehow he is painted

:46:15. > :46:22.as the bad guy and all of this. -- and Trump rightly response.

:46:23. > :46:26.Still to come, Facebook's revamped video service, will it be a

:46:27. > :46:29.competitor to Netflix and Amazon? Schoolchildren in some of the most

:46:30. > :46:31.deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals

:46:32. > :46:33.these summer holidays ?500,000 has been allocated,

:46:34. > :46:39.which still means only a small number

:46:40. > :46:40.of schools are covered. A report earlier this year said

:46:41. > :46:43.that up to three million children across the UK risked going

:46:44. > :46:46.hungry in the holidays. Catrin Nye has been meeting

:46:47. > :46:52.children in Cardiff. Can you tell me what your

:46:53. > :46:59.favourite foods are? It's one of 39 schools in the most

:47:00. > :47:51.deprived parts of Wales providing breakfast and lunch

:47:52. > :47:54.in the school holidays, just like they

:47:55. > :47:59.normally do in term time. For the first time this year,

:48:00. > :48:01.the Welsh Government's funding lunch clubs,

:48:02. > :48:03.which also involve You guys have to go

:48:04. > :48:10.to school all year round. My mum think it's good

:48:11. > :48:26.because she works, and normally I sit home

:48:27. > :48:31.with my nan, but because I'm in here,

:48:32. > :48:38.it makes a big difference. If the parents don't have

:48:39. > :48:40.enough money, they can put us into school

:48:41. > :48:47.and then we get to have food. They don't agree on whether school

:48:48. > :48:54.is better with or without lessons. In summer school we don't have to do

:48:55. > :49:00.as much work as normal school. Summer school is better

:49:01. > :49:02.than normal school? Normal school is better,

:49:03. > :49:15.because you get to learn Can you tell when pupils

:49:16. > :49:28.in your class haven't eaten, If they're not prepared

:49:29. > :49:34.for their day, already off on the wrong foot,

:49:35. > :49:37.it affects mood, Without the fundamentals in place,

:49:38. > :49:46.children can't learn. This project is all about providing

:49:47. > :49:50.the meals that you always get I think every parent that brings

:49:51. > :49:58.a child in here is grateful for it. Lots of different reasons -

:49:59. > :50:02.childcare, food, entertainment. They're going to be stuck

:50:03. > :50:06.in the house anyway, aren't they? If the weather is bad,

:50:07. > :50:11.you can't take them anywhere. At this time, so many people

:50:12. > :50:13.are struggling, like me. Having to make sure your kids get

:50:14. > :50:18.fed, not just feeding them with anything but giving them

:50:19. > :50:20.the right food. We're constantly restocking

:50:21. > :50:24.the cupboards, constantly doing shopping, sometimes you go

:50:25. > :50:29.to the shop and at the checkout you go through your receipt to see

:50:30. > :50:35.if the assistant made a mistake. My daughter is seven,

:50:36. > :50:37.so bringing her in here They're interacting

:50:38. > :50:47.with other children, playing, They don't look at it

:50:48. > :50:51.as they're in school, There are people on free school

:50:52. > :51:09.meals - suddenly, that is taken away and the family budget has to stretch

:51:10. > :51:15.that bit further. Do you see children going

:51:16. > :51:18.without in the summer? In Swansea recently they actually

:51:19. > :51:25.ran out of food in the food bank. If you think that it's been decided

:51:26. > :51:28.that children need free school meals because of the amount of income

:51:29. > :51:32.the family has got, it's not surprising during the long summer

:51:33. > :51:34.holidays, when suddenly those things are not there,

:51:35. > :51:39.families are struggling. The summer lunch club costs

:51:40. > :51:42.about ?30 a day per child. A third of the children who go

:51:43. > :51:45.to this school have free school meals, but you don't need to be

:51:46. > :51:48.eligible to get the free We don't qualify, unfortunately,

:51:49. > :51:56.because my husband receives working tax credits -

:51:57. > :51:58.not a great amount a week, but because he receives

:51:59. > :52:00.that, they don't qualify They have sandwiches when they come

:52:01. > :52:10.to school in term time, this is an added bonus,

:52:11. > :52:17.because they get a school meal. My favourite food is

:52:18. > :52:38.chocolate spread sandwiches! Because it has a really good taste,

:52:39. > :52:57.and it isn't that healthy, but sometimes you can make

:52:58. > :53:04.yourself free like a bird. You guys have eaten more

:53:05. > :53:09.of your vegetables than me. A report by a cross-party group

:53:10. > :53:18.of MPs warned that three million children across the UK risk

:53:19. > :53:23.going hungry in school holidays. The Welsh Goverment has put ?500,000

:53:24. > :53:26.of its education budget, controlled in Cardiff

:53:27. > :53:28.rather than Westminster, Money is very tight,

:53:29. > :53:40.and at the moment It may not be feasable to run it

:53:41. > :53:47.in every school, I accept that, but actually in schools

:53:48. > :53:49.which need it, I think the cost

:53:50. > :53:55.has got to be worth it. It's part of closing the education

:53:56. > :53:58.gap, making sure children get food I can't think of anything more

:53:59. > :54:05.tragic than being able to predict at the beginning of a child's life

:54:06. > :54:12.what their GCSE results will be. At the moment, the education

:54:13. > :54:14.departments in England and Scotland are not allocating specific funding

:54:15. > :54:18.to lunch clubs. Charities and local authorities

:54:19. > :54:20.are able to set them up, but there are calls for more

:54:21. > :54:33.central government money. Katrin Nye reporting, more on this

:54:34. > :54:36.in the next hour of the programme, asking whether this should be rolled

:54:37. > :54:38.out across the rest of the UK, let me know your views.

:54:39. > :54:40.Facebook is spreading out into the TV market,

:54:41. > :54:45.taking on the like of Netflix and Amazon.

:54:46. > :54:54.Rory Cellan-Jones is here, what are they launching? They are launching a

:54:55. > :54:57.new tab on Facebook called Watch, where you will be able to watch

:54:58. > :55:01.original video content. There is already a lot of video on Facebook,

:55:02. > :55:06.including from this show, and this is just starting in America, you

:55:07. > :55:10.won't see it in the UK for a while, but a real mark of how competitive

:55:11. > :55:14.this world is. They are doing some deals, they will get original

:55:15. > :55:20.content from the likes of BuzzFeed, some American sports franchises,

:55:21. > :55:25.basketball and so on, and they are offering you the chance to watch TV

:55:26. > :55:29.through Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg has a slightly cheesy quote,

:55:30. > :55:33.watching a show doesn't have to be passive, it can be a chance to share

:55:34. > :55:37.an experience and bring people together who care about the same

:55:38. > :55:42.things, so what about caring and sharing, but really they are about

:55:43. > :55:45.advertising revenue. They are already hugely dominant. I think

:55:46. > :55:49.they are looking at Netflix and Amazon, but also looking at YouTube,

:55:50. > :55:53.which is owned by Google, the other big powerhouse of the internet in

:55:54. > :55:57.terms of advertising. They are looking at how much money YouTube is

:55:58. > :56:01.now churning out for Google, and they are thinking, we would like

:56:02. > :56:07.some of that. I think it is going to be pitch to the kind of people who

:56:08. > :56:12.make you know, that whole class of people who make money from

:56:13. > :56:15.advertising on YouTube - what were amateurs have become professionals.

:56:16. > :56:18.I think they would like to see some of those people pitching up on

:56:19. > :56:25.Facebook. But YouTubers got a big start. Yeah... So we will get it in

:56:26. > :56:30.this country eventually, will we? The option to watch on Facebook if

:56:31. > :56:35.we want to? Yeah, and I'm sure they will try to do deals with global

:56:36. > :56:42.content providers... Including the BBC? Who knows?! Of course, we

:56:43. > :56:48.wouldn't get the advertising money from it. But we would be paid for

:56:49. > :56:54.our content. If we provide original drama or whatever. Yeah, a question

:56:55. > :57:00.of where you want your content to end up, Facebook, I mean, there are

:57:01. > :57:05.concerns about the sheer power of these giant American companies.

:57:06. > :57:09.Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon and so on, they dominate our world, and

:57:10. > :57:14.there is a big battle between them to be the top dog in the online

:57:15. > :57:19.advertising world. Thank you very much, Rory. Let me bring you some

:57:20. > :57:24.news about NHS waiting times, it is from our health editor, Hugh Pym.

:57:25. > :57:29.The number of people waiting for Dean surgery in England in June was

:57:30. > :57:38.the highest since December 2007. -- for routine surgery. 3.8 million

:57:39. > :57:43.patients were on waiting lists, 19% were waiting for longer than the

:57:44. > :57:47.target of 80 weeks. The number of people on waiting lists in June was

:57:48. > :57:52.the highest since December 2007, the highest for ten years. More on that

:57:53. > :57:55.later. Still to come, family relationships are key to stopping

:57:56. > :58:02.prisoners reoffending. A government review is recommending that inmates

:58:03. > :58:07.should be able to talk to relatives on Skype to get in touch with them.

:58:08. > :58:09.We will talk to former inmates and their relatives. News and sport and

:58:10. > :58:20.ten, but first the weather. A lovely start across much of the

:58:21. > :58:25.UK, some showers around, rain across northern parts of the country, but

:58:26. > :58:29.look at these lovely pictures, this one from East Yorkshire, blue skies,

:58:30. > :58:32.and as we drift into Derbyshire, again blue skies, fair weather

:58:33. > :58:37.cloud, not much more than that. Through the course of the day, for

:58:38. > :58:40.most of us, with high pressure in charge, staying settled, but this

:58:41. > :58:44.weather front is still producing some showers, patchy rain across

:58:45. > :58:48.Kent, and we have got another one across the far north of Scotland,

:58:49. > :58:52.introducing more cloud, and also some rain, mainly across the

:58:53. > :58:56.Northern Isles. So a lot of dry weather, fair weather cloud bubbling

:58:57. > :59:00.up through the day, gentle breezes, in the sunshine, it will feel quite

:59:01. > :59:04.pleasant. Temperatures roughly where they should be in August, perhaps a

:59:05. > :59:09.smidgen below. From the Midlands down towards the Isle of Wight,

:59:10. > :59:13.heading towards the Isles of Scilly, all points in between, we are

:59:14. > :59:17.looking at a dry afternoon with some sunshine. Sunshine across Wales,

:59:18. > :59:24.Cardiff up to 20 Celsius, sunny spells for more than island, a

:59:25. > :59:29.little bit more in the way of cloud. -- sunny spells for Northern

:59:30. > :59:32.Ireland. Moving across the bulk of Scotland, dry and sunny. Across

:59:33. > :59:37.northern England, a similar story, dry and sunny. The Midlands seem the

:59:38. > :59:40.same with justice hang back of cloud, the balance of yesterday's

:59:41. > :59:44.rain, the remnants of a weather front which could produce a shower.

:59:45. > :59:49.Not expecting showers in London this afternoon, but a fair bit of

:59:50. > :59:53.sunshine, temperatures up to 20 or even a 21. Through the evening and

:59:54. > :59:56.overnight, early evening sunshine, then clear skies developing, but at

:59:57. > :00:00.the same time a weather front coming in across West of Scotland, Northern

:00:01. > :00:05.Ireland, that will introduce rain, accompanied by strengthening winds

:00:06. > :00:10.as it sinks southwards through the course of the overnight period. You

:00:11. > :00:12.can see why, we have got a cold front that is bringing rain, and

:00:13. > :00:18.other occlusion culling in right behind it, a weaker affair, but it

:00:19. > :00:22.does mean, for many parts of England and Wales, we will start on a sunny

:00:23. > :00:25.note, but as the weather fronts push southwards, with windy conditions,

:00:26. > :00:30.you will find cloud will continue to build. The far south-east of England

:00:31. > :00:33.will hang onto the sunshine probably until evening time. But it all goes

:00:34. > :00:38.through June the course of Friday night, so by Saturday we start on a

:00:39. > :00:42.chilly note, but a further sunshine around, one or two showers dotted

:00:43. > :00:45.here or there across the Highlands, highs up to 22, Sunday is also

:00:46. > :00:57.looking like being mostly dry. Hello it's Thursday, it's ten

:00:58. > :01:08.o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. North Korea says it plans to fire

:01:09. > :01:11.missiles at Guam will soon be ready. The US warns the North Koreans their

:01:12. > :01:15.actions could mean the end of the regime.

:01:16. > :01:21.Although we are getting as you answers from a government that we

:01:22. > :01:26.are prepared to protect ourselves should North Korea send a missile

:01:27. > :01:34.our way, we are carrying anxiety and our hearts in our day-to-day lives.

:01:35. > :01:39.Prisoners relationships with their family are key to stopping them

:01:40. > :01:43.reoffending and vital to reforming a troubled prison service. We'll be

:01:44. > :01:44.asking a man who's been in jail three times what impact the support

:01:45. > :01:47.of his family had on him. A report by MPs said that up

:01:48. > :01:49.to three million children across the UK risked going hungry

:01:50. > :01:51.in the holidays. Should more be done

:01:52. > :01:53.to tackle the growing Here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom

:01:54. > :02:04.with a summary of todays news. North Korea will reveal its plan

:02:05. > :02:11.for firing missiles at a US territory within the next few days -

:02:12. > :02:14.says Pyongyang - and if Kim Jong-Un approves, four rockets could shoot

:02:15. > :02:17.over Japan towards the South Pacific island of Guam with

:02:18. > :02:21.its US military bases. Our correspondent Robin Brant

:02:22. > :02:23.is in Seoul in South Korea - where the mood, despite mounting

:02:24. > :02:39.tensions, remains calm. For decades, the people of South

:02:40. > :02:43.Korea and Seoul have lived with the threat of a massive artillery on

:02:44. > :02:48.their border, and perhaps even the prospect of a nuclear strike. The

:02:49. > :02:51.focus is shifting to Guam, the obscure island stuck in the middle

:02:52. > :02:56.of the Pacific. What's interesting here in Seoul, is those people who

:02:57. > :03:03.live every day with the prospect of military confrontation, and they

:03:04. > :03:08.remain fairly calm. It's a normal Wednesday, people are heading home

:03:09. > :03:12.because it's just gone past 5pm. They are a good barometer of how

:03:13. > :03:18.serious the rhetoric is. We've heard from the chief of the defence staff

:03:19. > :03:22.saying they are prepared for swift action as usual and reminding

:03:23. > :03:27.everyone, particularly the North Korean 's, of the close relationship

:03:28. > :03:32.South Korea has with the United States. If you couple that with

:03:33. > :03:37.stronger words from the US Defence Secretary Mattis, saying North Korea

:03:38. > :03:41.would be grossly overmatched, then the signal is very much warning Kim

:03:42. > :03:46.Jong-Un then, despite the rhetoric coming from both sides, that is a

:03:47. > :03:49.military confrontation came, then to repeat the words of Defence

:03:50. > :03:57.Secretary Mattis it could be the end of the regime in Pyongyang.

:03:58. > :04:04.The number of people waiting for routine surgery in June was the

:04:05. > :04:09.highest since December 2000 and seven. The figures tell us that 3.83

:04:10. > :04:15.million patients were on lists for operations. 90.3% were seen within

:04:16. > :04:20.18 weeks, that is below the target of 92%. There was an increase in the

:04:21. > :04:26.year-on-year of more than 21% in the numbers of people waiting longer

:04:27. > :04:35.than 18 weeks. That went up to 373,000. A police chief has said

:04:36. > :04:41.paying a child rapist ?10,000 is part of an investigation into a

:04:42. > :04:44.grooming gang was the right thing. Steve Ashman said the information

:04:45. > :04:49.provided by the man led to the conviction of 17 men and a woman for

:04:50. > :04:50.abusing girls in Newcastle. Charities have criticised the force

:04:51. > :04:54.for paying the criminal. Some prisoners should be able to use

:04:55. > :04:57.video calling technology such as Skype to stay in touch

:04:58. > :04:59.with their families and cut reoffending rates,

:05:00. > :05:01.the government has been advised. The review, by Lord Farmer,

:05:02. > :05:03.suggests so-called "virtual visits" should be made available for inmates

:05:04. > :05:06.whose relatives cannot attend jail because of illness,

:05:07. > :05:08.distance or other factors. Research indicates a prisoner

:05:09. > :05:11.who receives visits from a relative, is 39% less likely to re-offend

:05:12. > :05:14.than an inmate who had School children in some of the most

:05:15. > :05:24.deprived parts of Wales are getting free school meals during the summer

:05:25. > :05:26.holidays, paid for by Half a million pounds

:05:27. > :05:29.of its education budget Up to three million children

:05:30. > :05:35.across the UK risk going hungry in the holidays because poor

:05:36. > :05:39.families can't afford to pay The driver of a double-decker bus

:05:40. > :05:42.has been taken to hospital after it crashed into a shop on a busy

:05:43. > :05:45.London high street. Police were called early this

:05:46. > :05:47.morning to reports of a bus hitting a kitchen shop near Clapham Junction

:05:48. > :05:50.train station in south-west London. A route 77 double-decker bus

:05:51. > :05:52.was involved in the incident. Paramedics treated six

:05:53. > :05:54.passengers at the scene. Two people are still

:05:55. > :06:04.trapped on the upper deck. The Fire Brigade have now freed

:06:05. > :06:08.those two people. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:06:09. > :06:23.News - more at 10:30am. This photograph of the ex-editor of

:06:24. > :06:30.Vogue. She edited Vogue for 25 years and put this photograph on her

:06:31. > :06:35.Instagram page on holiday. I was asking if a picture of a normal

:06:36. > :06:40.woman like that, someone in her position, does it inspire youth? A

:06:41. > :06:43.number of people have said what a refreshingly honest picture. Others

:06:44. > :06:48.have said total hypocrisy because she was the head of a fashion bible

:06:49. > :06:52.that would never dream of putting a woman that was slightly wobbly on

:06:53. > :06:56.their front cover. Another view says, good on you, I really want to

:06:57. > :07:01.see my share of positive imagery that I can relate to. I want to see

:07:02. > :07:07.positive, fat and older female and male images. It's sad that Vogue and

:07:08. > :07:11.their like don't lead the way. I realised many years ago we don't

:07:12. > :07:14.have much in common so I don't buy their product! Thank you.

:07:15. > :07:17.Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:07:18. > :07:21.If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

:07:22. > :07:23.Let's get the latest from the World Athletics Championships -

:07:24. > :07:26.it's day seven, and Jessica is at the London Stadium for us.

:07:27. > :07:28.Jessica will there be a fairytale ending for

:07:29. > :07:39.It's been one of the major talking points at the world athletics

:07:40. > :07:43.Championships. This time yesterday Isaac Makwala was in quarantine

:07:44. > :07:47.thinking his World Championships were over. Tonight, he'll be

:07:48. > :07:54.competing for a gold medal in the 200 metres. It was on this very

:07:55. > :07:58.track when Makwala lined up on the 200 metre line for this remarkable

:07:59. > :08:03.solo time trial that the IAAF granted him. It was just him against

:08:04. > :08:09.the clock. None of his rivals around him to spare him on, just him, the

:08:10. > :08:13.clock and the crowd. It was remarkable, the something you rarely

:08:14. > :08:18.see in world athletics Championships. Makwala was one of a

:08:19. > :08:21.group of athletes affected by the stomach bug going around at these

:08:22. > :08:31.championships. He was prevented from competing. He was refused to race on

:08:32. > :08:37.medical grounds. He went through the solo time trial, required a certain

:08:38. > :08:43.qualifying time. He got the qualifying time which meant he went

:08:44. > :08:47.into the semifinals. He finished that semifinal in second place which

:08:48. > :08:51.means tonight he will race for gold in front of all the fans who have

:08:52. > :08:54.really warmed to him in the past few days.

:08:55. > :08:56.I wish to thank the IAAF for giving me another chance

:08:57. > :09:01.They didn't need to believe, the crowd being British,

:09:02. > :09:09.I just want to thank this crowd, so amazing!

:09:10. > :09:17.I loved the press ups at the end! Just in case we hadn't noticed from

:09:18. > :09:25.the way he ran that, that message that I'm fine, I do not have

:09:26. > :09:26.norovirus, and the crowd were fantastic!

:09:27. > :09:30.We saw Mo Farah back on the track last night and in impressive form.

:09:31. > :09:33.What is there to look forward to today for British fans?

:09:34. > :09:41.We weren't sure about Mo Farah and how much that 10,000 had taken out

:09:42. > :09:45.of him. He seemed to do OK, he was relatively comfortable in the 5000.

:09:46. > :09:49.He did enough to get through but also to look forward to for the

:09:50. > :09:53.British fans will be Katarina Johnson-Thompson in the high jump.

:09:54. > :09:57.It's one of her strongest events. She didn't do as well as you might

:09:58. > :10:01.have done in the heptathlon in that event. I spoke to Denise Lewis

:10:02. > :10:08.earlier, the Olympic heptathlon champion from Sydney 2000. She said

:10:09. > :10:14.Johnson Thompson should fare better despite her disappointment in the

:10:15. > :10:18.heptathlon. She's a really good high jumper, she holds the British

:10:19. > :10:22.record. I think she had a blip. Maybe she overbought it in the

:10:23. > :10:33.heptathlon. She has been adjusting her runway. I think she will be fine

:10:34. > :10:39.tonight. There is a good chance they might both qualify, fingers crossed.

:10:40. > :10:48.She went be the only Brit in action, we've got Eilidh Doyle in the final

:10:49. > :10:51.of the 400 meter hurdles and Nathaniel Mitchell Blake. Hopefully

:10:52. > :10:54.we might have a few medals to cheer about tonight?

:10:55. > :10:56.Family relationships are key to stopping prisoners reoffending

:10:57. > :10:58.and vital to reforming a prison system which, as we have

:10:59. > :11:01.reported on this programme, has seen a surge in levels

:11:02. > :11:06.According to a Government review out today, research has shown prisoners

:11:07. > :11:08.who receive visits from a family member are 39% less

:11:09. > :11:14.The team behind the research took in over 1,000 submissions from men

:11:15. > :11:16.in prison, their families, voluntary organisations,

:11:17. > :11:19.academics and members of staff in the sector,

:11:20. > :11:21.and recommendations include inmates being able to use Skype

:11:22. > :11:29.or Facetime on iPads to talk to their relatives at home.

:11:30. > :11:31.Let's talk now to Cody Lachey, who was released from

:11:32. > :11:38.He has been in prison three times in the last three years.

:11:39. > :11:41.Josette Baldacchino, who regularly visited her ex-partner in prison

:11:42. > :11:46.She now volunteers for Partner of Prisoners and speaks

:11:47. > :11:50.to other prison families on the organisation's helpline.

:11:51. > :11:54.Jacob Tas, chief executive of Nacro, a social justice charity which works

:11:55. > :12:00.They help them to settle back into society and rebuild

:12:01. > :12:02.relationships, or maintain them, and have submitted

:12:03. > :12:16.Welcome. Cody, you are released in February, you've been inside three

:12:17. > :12:19.times in the last three years for witness intimidation and assault on

:12:20. > :12:24.a police officer, then for an assault on someone else. Your man

:12:25. > :12:28.came to visit you. You had that contact, you saw the effect on her

:12:29. > :12:34.and you still reoffended, tell us why. To be honest, my criminality

:12:35. > :12:38.was embedded within me. I made very bad decisions going forward. It was

:12:39. > :12:43.only on my third and final stretch where I saw the effect it was having

:12:44. > :12:47.on my mum psychologically and emotionally, not to mention

:12:48. > :12:52.financially. That stopped my criminality. I am reformed now and I

:12:53. > :12:57.campaign for prison reform across the board. Her continuing visits in

:12:58. > :13:02.those three occasions when you were inside, in the end, they have helped

:13:03. > :13:06.you make a decision that you aren't going to reoffend again. Yes, I did

:13:07. > :13:12.think it was down to the visits, I think it was down to the effect it

:13:13. > :13:16.was having on my mum and I grew a conscience overnight. I came out of

:13:17. > :13:20.prison and that was it. It's definitely different this time?

:13:21. > :13:25.Absolutely. I'm staying away from crime, I've got a new circle of

:13:26. > :13:29.friends, I'm a changed person. Mike rhinestone define the other person

:13:30. > :13:36.and I've used my experiences to campaign for prison reform

:13:37. > :13:40.across-the-board -- my crime doesn't define me as a person. Why was it

:13:41. > :13:45.important to keep close contact with your partner when he was in prison?

:13:46. > :13:48.I found it was important to keep contact because it gave him

:13:49. > :13:56.something to look forward to. It gave him something to look forward

:13:57. > :13:59.to to coming home and it made an impact on our family. I think when

:14:00. > :14:04.he saw that he understood what he did was wrong. I do agree with the

:14:05. > :14:14.fact that they should have some kind of video to be able to speak to

:14:15. > :14:18.them. Often people get sent to a jail that is hundreds of miles from

:14:19. > :14:24.home. The idea you could go and visit regularly is a nonstarter.

:14:25. > :14:28.It's really hard for families as they go far. Sometimes even if they

:14:29. > :14:40.are nearby, it's hard to go on visits. Or if they've got elderly

:14:41. > :14:43.parents. It was hard, really hard. What's it like going to visit

:14:44. > :14:48.someone you love in prison and taking your daughter and grandchild

:14:49. > :14:51.with you? It's not the best experience. Not when you're going to

:14:52. > :14:59.be searched or when you're going to be treated along the same lines as

:15:00. > :15:03.the offender. What do you mean? You feel as though you're being treated

:15:04. > :15:08.as though you what the criminal. Which is extremely hard and not

:15:09. > :15:14.something you should be put through. That's where the support comes in

:15:15. > :15:19.from organisations like Partners of Prisoners.

:15:20. > :15:25.What do you think about these figures that somebody would be 39%

:15:26. > :15:34.less likely to offend if contact is maintained? You just pulled a face,

:15:35. > :15:43.Josette! Well, personally, I would have said 50%. The contact with

:15:44. > :15:48.families, it is very important, and I am not saying that family support

:15:49. > :15:52.is going to stop all offenders reoffending, because it doesn't. You

:15:53. > :15:55.are going to get half that are going to look at the family support and

:15:56. > :16:02.they are going to stop, and another half will just continue to do it,

:16:03. > :16:15.and it's not what you are a way of life for them. Led me bring in

:16:16. > :16:18.Nacro, the social justice charity. What about this recommendation that

:16:19. > :16:24.inmates should be able to talk to inmates on Skype on an iPad, for

:16:25. > :16:28.example, so relatives can call into prison to talk to their loved ones?

:16:29. > :16:36.I think it is a very positive development. The whole report, we

:16:37. > :16:40.strongly support the report from Lord Farmer, and one of the

:16:41. > :16:44.recommendations is that the preferred is physical meeting,

:16:45. > :16:50.face-to-face, and having that relationship continue on that basis.

:16:51. > :16:54.But as we already know, lots of prisoners are far away, quite

:16:55. > :16:57.difficult to access, and exactly what we heard before, the treatment

:16:58. > :17:01.of children and family members is usually similar to the end being

:17:02. > :17:07.treated in prison, which is, of course, not right at all. That could

:17:08. > :17:12.change tomorrow, couldn't it? It should, and that is another

:17:13. > :17:16.recommendation, but back to the FaceTime, Skype, regular contact,

:17:17. > :17:18.how was your day at school for a child, you know, obviously the day

:17:19. > :17:23.in prison is not so interesting to talk about most likely, but the

:17:24. > :17:27.relationship with the family members, all with parents or

:17:28. > :17:32.anybody, to know what is going on, that there is a life outside of

:17:33. > :17:36.prison, and the stronger the relationship is, the more ties they

:17:37. > :17:39.have that are worth continuing, the more likely that it is that they

:17:40. > :17:44.don't want to go back to prison. What do you say to people watching

:17:45. > :17:50.who will say, well, I don't have an iPad, why should an inmate? This is

:17:51. > :17:57.not about issuing iPad is as a toy, it will be purely as an instrument

:17:58. > :18:03.to be able to communicate with, so like a phone. Today you can call,

:18:04. > :18:06.for example, it is very different as you can see in the report, different

:18:07. > :18:10.experiences, it is why hard to make phone calls, they are costly for

:18:11. > :18:15.offenders, it is hard for them to enough money to make phone calls.

:18:16. > :18:19.For those determined to keep relationships going, we're not

:18:20. > :18:23.making it easy to do so. So this type of technology will make it

:18:24. > :18:27.easy, as it is accessible to many of us, through smartphones or... Cody,

:18:28. > :18:31.you have been inside three times, you know what it is like to lose

:18:32. > :18:38.your liberty, you think this idea of video calls might lead critics to

:18:39. > :18:43.say this is softening the prison regime and it is meant to be a place

:18:44. > :18:46.of punishment? The simple fact is, Victoria, we have seen in the last

:18:47. > :18:55.week that assault on prisons are at a record high, up 20% on last year.

:18:56. > :18:59.Self harm, 40,414 incidents in the last 12 months and stuff. The prison

:19:00. > :19:04.system as a powder keg right now. I cannot stress enough how important

:19:05. > :19:07.family ties are. Children not seeing their dads because financial

:19:08. > :19:11.restraints are in place, people having to travel hundreds of miles

:19:12. > :19:15.to visit, the cost of train fares, the price of food on the visits,

:19:16. > :19:22.accommodation, things like that, it all plays a part. So it is pivotal.

:19:23. > :19:26.If you put this in system, this Skype, I believe it will reduce

:19:27. > :19:29.violent incidents in one way or another, and self harm, which can

:19:30. > :19:34.only be a good thing, and it will reduce incidents which will reflect

:19:35. > :19:38.well on the Ministry of Justice. And if reoffending is reduced as a

:19:39. > :19:43.result of introducing Skype or whatever, then that will save a lot

:19:44. > :19:49.more money to taxpayers who might be criticising the up the idea of an

:19:50. > :19:53.iPad in a jail. Very much so, and it will help people not commit further

:19:54. > :19:56.crime, thereby generating further victims, but it is important,

:19:57. > :20:00.because we have major issues in our prison system at the moment - we

:20:01. > :20:04.need to stop writing reports and start taking action to improve the

:20:05. > :20:10.circumstances, and therefore, when we have these people captured in our

:20:11. > :20:13.prison, have a relentless focus on rehabilitation, which means giving

:20:14. > :20:18.them a roof to sleep under, making sure that they have a job somehow,

:20:19. > :20:22.and these family ties are critically important, to make our society

:20:23. > :20:25.safer, to reduce the number of people in prison, and therefore have

:20:26. > :20:33.more money available to make that all happen, that is very strongly

:20:34. > :20:37.our view at Nacro. That big here, reoffending gusts ?15 billion a

:20:38. > :20:43.year, that is what reoffending gusts. The Justice Minister, David

:20:44. > :20:49.Lidington says we are committed to reforming prisons in places of

:20:50. > :20:51.safety and reform, and families can play a signature control in

:20:52. > :20:57.supporting an offender. Obviously, they would point out they are

:20:58. > :21:00.spending money on an extra 2500 prison officers. We will see what

:21:01. > :21:03.the Government do with this report, they set it up, that doesn't mean

:21:04. > :21:09.there will follow the recommendations. We hope so. Thank

:21:10. > :21:17.you very much, all of you. Thank you very much for coming on the

:21:18. > :21:20.programme, Cody, Josette. Still to come, with some schools in Wales

:21:21. > :21:24.offering free meals during the summer holidays, should more be done

:21:25. > :21:25.in other parts of the UK to tackle the growing problem of holiday

:21:26. > :21:29.hunger? The story of a 20-year-old model

:21:30. > :21:31.being abducted whilst out on a job in Milan this week

:21:32. > :21:34.has made global news. and told she would be sold

:21:35. > :21:41.as a sex slave. who specialises in

:21:42. > :21:49.the modelling industry and says the problem

:21:50. > :21:51.of sex trafficking isn't just in the glamour

:21:52. > :21:54.modelling world - "it's rife" within

:21:55. > :22:03.the fashion industry. Good morning. What is your evidence

:22:04. > :22:16.for saying that? Well, there is no... It is with the these sort of

:22:17. > :22:20.thing you see when you work in the industry. And I have known lots of

:22:21. > :22:30.models, my wife was a former fashion model. When you say sex

:22:31. > :22:40.trafficking... That is quite a wide ambit in terms... But what I have

:22:41. > :22:51.seen is a rather relaxed attitude by some agencies. To what? To girls who

:22:52. > :22:59.come from abroad, from all over the world, mostly Russia, most of the

:23:00. > :23:06.fashion models come from Russia. They come very young, sometimes as

:23:07. > :23:16.young as 14, sometimes older, 17, 16, but still 16, 17 is not that

:23:17. > :23:21.old. And whilst they don't actually get introduced to promoters, club

:23:22. > :23:26.promoters, the agencies will have parties at nightclubs, where there

:23:27. > :23:32.will be alcohol, the girls obviously won't be old enough to drink, and

:23:33. > :23:40.that environment creates opportunities for predators. I can

:23:41. > :23:44.see that, but are you saying that young teenagers, teenagers and young

:23:45. > :23:52.adults, beautiful women from all over the world, are being carpeted

:23:53. > :23:56.in this country. No. Right. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying

:23:57. > :24:01.is... Well, they are, obviously, because there is evidence for that

:24:02. > :24:06.with police reports and, you know, what have you. But specific to the

:24:07. > :24:09.fashion industry. Specific to the fashion industry, there is, you

:24:10. > :24:15.know, what I'm saying is the environment is created where there

:24:16. > :24:19.is more possibility of that happening, and more could be done by

:24:20. > :24:26.the agencies to keep these girls safer. And of course anyone can set

:24:27. > :24:37.up as an agent, anyone can set up as if the dog about. YouGov yeah. --

:24:38. > :24:40.can set up as a photographer. Yeah. Would more regulation help? There is

:24:41. > :24:48.regulation at the moment, there is a code of employment agencies, and the

:24:49. > :24:58.employment business regulation is 2003, and what that seeks to do is

:24:59. > :25:05.it seeks to put some kind of duty on agencies, that is to save modelling

:25:06. > :25:13.agencies, to protect models. So for example they have got to check you

:25:14. > :25:18.ever the hirers are, that they do not have an immoral reputation or

:25:19. > :25:24.something else, insolvent, but still relevant in another respect. Is that

:25:25. > :25:29.code working? Obviously, not really, because the agencies themselves are

:25:30. > :25:34.rather like that in a way they treat models. I'm sure you heard about the

:25:35. > :25:40.incident in Paris last Fashion Week, where a number of models were locked

:25:41. > :25:47.in a room for hours whilst everybody went for lunch. So there could be a

:25:48. > :25:53.lot more done to protect these girls, to give them more confidence.

:25:54. > :25:58.You know, I have heard of situations where girls have gone to foreign

:25:59. > :26:06.countries and they have lost their money, you know, lost their wallets,

:26:07. > :26:11.and the agencies won't help them out, or they find it very, very

:26:12. > :26:14.difficult to do so. And some of the ways these agreements are framed,

:26:15. > :26:21.the way in practice the girls are more or less trapped, because they

:26:22. > :26:27.have got no money of their own, they are 15, in a foreign country, a lot

:26:28. > :26:32.of them come from rural areas, this is all new to them, because usually

:26:33. > :26:37.modelling takes place in very big cities, you know, well-known, like

:26:38. > :26:44.Paris, London, New York, and they, you know, they are given pocket

:26:45. > :26:53.money, which they deduct from whatever they earn. So these girls,

:26:54. > :26:57.they say that they are work seekers who can come in and out of the

:26:58. > :27:02.contract as they like, but in practice they are sort of trapped

:27:03. > :27:07.there, so in a way the agencies, they can do, they do whatever the

:27:08. > :27:12.agencies tell and to do. If they say, go to this nightclub, there is

:27:13. > :27:16.a party, they go there. If someone says, I know you're agencies or

:27:17. > :27:20.whatever, the next thing you know, I am not saying this happens all the

:27:21. > :27:27.time, but the next thing you know, a promoter who knows some very rich

:27:28. > :27:28.men, the girls become prostitutes. Thank you very much, thank you,

:27:29. > :27:32.Peter. Amazon saw a 50% drop

:27:33. > :27:34.in the amount of UK corporation tax it paid last year -

:27:35. > :27:37.despite a 54% increase in turnover. Amazon UK Services received a bill

:27:38. > :27:42.of ?7.4 million in 2016, compared to almost ?16 million

:27:43. > :27:44.the previous year. The firm says it meets

:27:45. > :28:00.its tax obligations. Let's talk to our business editor,

:28:01. > :28:05.Simon Jack, hello, hello, hello. Corporation tax is what you pay on

:28:06. > :28:08.profits, which may be the keys here. That is exactly right, there are a

:28:09. > :28:14.lot of raised eyebrows because their turn-up went up 50%, the global

:28:15. > :28:20.company made billions and billions, but talking about Amazon UK

:28:21. > :28:23.Services, the bit of the company where people process your orders and

:28:24. > :28:28.send them to your house, picking stuff out, putting it in boxes.

:28:29. > :28:34.Their turnover went up 50%, but the tax bill came down to 7 million. You

:28:35. > :28:38.are quite right that although their turnover went up, their profits went

:28:39. > :28:44.down, partly because of the way they pay their staff. They have 24,000

:28:45. > :28:47.staff in the UK, about 60,000 working in the centres. When you

:28:48. > :28:52.arrive as a permanent staff member, you get ?1000 worth of shares, there

:28:53. > :28:57.you go. Over time, if the share price goes up, the value of those

:28:58. > :29:01.shares goes up as well. You can't catch them in on day one, but when

:29:02. > :29:05.you do, if they have gone up a lot in value, the company as to account

:29:06. > :29:10.and say, this is the value of the stuff we gave to our staff members.

:29:11. > :29:13.For the last couple of years, the Amazon share price has rocketed, so

:29:14. > :29:18.some of those awards are worth much more, so when the company does its

:29:19. > :29:24.accounts, it paid this, which is now with that, so the expenses have gone

:29:25. > :29:28.up, so their profits go down. So good for Amazon, it doesn't cost

:29:29. > :29:31.them any cash, good for the employees, because they get a

:29:32. > :29:37.windfall, which they mostly do not have to pay tax on, because while

:29:38. > :29:41.allowed to receive ?3600 per year from your employer without paying

:29:42. > :29:44.tax, so good for the employee, good for the company, bad for HMRC,

:29:45. > :29:51.because they do not see any of this money. So the profits of Amazon UK

:29:52. > :29:59.Services were about 24 million, they paid just over 7 million in tax, and

:30:00. > :30:04.that is legit? And if the Government have a problem, they need to put up

:30:05. > :30:09.rates? Exactly right, and the more the share price goes up, the less

:30:10. > :30:13.tax HMRC gets, and it is an unusual way for a company, for jobs like

:30:14. > :30:18.this, for people to be paid. Very common in Silicon Valley, and it is

:30:19. > :30:21.an approach that has this unusual effect.

:30:22. > :30:25.It emerged that during the court process that led to 18 convictions

:30:26. > :30:28.of child abuse in Newcastle, police paid a convicted child rapist

:30:29. > :30:50.The former editor of Vogue magazine Alexandra Shulman posted this selfie

:30:51. > :30:54.on her Instagram page. Some say it is refreshingly honest and normal

:30:55. > :30:58.because that's what we look like in our bikinis, let's be honest. Others

:30:59. > :31:02.say it's hypocrisy because after years of heading that magazine

:31:03. > :31:06.packed with thin, tanned women, should never put an image like that

:31:07. > :31:09.on the cover of Vogue. As a woman, does that image inspire you?

:31:10. > :31:12.With the news, here's Matthew in the BBC Newsroom.

:31:13. > :31:15.North Korea says its plan to fire four missiles near the US territory

:31:16. > :31:18.of Guam will soon be ready, as a war of words with

:31:19. > :31:25.State media said rockets would pass over Japan and land in the sea

:31:26. > :31:27.about 17 miles from Guam, if the plan is approved

:31:28. > :31:34.It denounced Donald Trump's warnings of "fire and fury" and said the US

:31:35. > :31:47.Earlier, a little boy who lives on Guam begged for calm.

:31:48. > :31:55.Please stop, there are families that live here on Guam. My grandma just

:31:56. > :31:59.had knee surgery and she's in the hospital. Please stop.

:32:00. > :32:01.The number of people waiting for routine surgery in England

:32:02. > :32:04.in June was the highest in almost ten years.

:32:05. > :32:06.3.83 million patients were on lists for operations.

:32:07. > :32:08.Other key NHS targets were also missed -

:32:09. > :32:17.including urgent referrals for cancer care.

:32:18. > :32:23.A police chief has said paying a child rapist ?10,000 as part of an

:32:24. > :32:29.investigation into a grooming gang was the right thing. Northumbria

:32:30. > :32:33.Police's Steve Ashman said the information he provided led to the

:32:34. > :32:36.conviction of 17 men and a woman for abusing girls in Newcastle.

:32:37. > :32:40.Charities criticised the force for paying the criminal.

:32:41. > :32:43.Some prisoners should be able to use video calling technology such

:32:44. > :32:45.as Skype to stay in touch with their families -

:32:46. > :32:47.to help cut reoffending, the government's been told.

:32:48. > :32:50.A review suggests so-called "virtual visits" should be made available

:32:51. > :32:51.for inmates whose relatives cannot attend jail.

:32:52. > :32:55.A prisoner who receives visits from a relative, is around 40 % less

:32:56. > :33:06.The driver of a double-decker bus has been taken to hospital after it

:33:07. > :33:11.crashed into a shop on a busy London High Street. Police were called this

:33:12. > :33:15.morning after a bus hit a shop near Clapham Junction in south-west

:33:16. > :33:20.London. It was a Route 77 double-decker bus. Paramedics

:33:21. > :33:24.treated six passengers at the scene, the Fire Brigade freed two people

:33:25. > :33:27.trapped on the upper deck. Looks pretty nasty.

:33:28. > :33:30.That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:33:31. > :33:36.Here's some sport now with Hugh Ferris.

:33:37. > :33:41.Jess is that the London Stadium again. Good morning.

:33:42. > :33:44.Isaac Makwala could complete one of the more extraordinary stories

:33:45. > :33:46.at the World Athletics Championships with a medal later.

:33:47. > :33:48.After being banned from competing in London because of

:33:49. > :33:52.The Botswana sprinter was then given a reprieve via this time trial

:33:53. > :33:55.which he used to get through to the semis of the 200

:33:56. > :33:57.metres, and then later on he made the final,

:33:58. > :34:03.Mo Farah's progress to the 5000 metres final was secured,

:34:04. > :34:06.despite him feeling "a little beaten up".

:34:07. > :34:10.He hurt his knee and leg in winning 10k gold but insists he'll be ok

:34:11. > :34:16.for his last major track race on Saturday.

:34:17. > :34:17.Later Katarina Johnson-Thompson will attempt to qualify

:34:18. > :34:21.She'll have to improve on her efforts in the heptathlon

:34:22. > :34:28.Rory McIlory says he has nothing to prove ahead of the US PGA

:34:29. > :34:31.Championship which starts this evening in North Carolina.

:34:32. > :34:35.He's among a top-class field, trying to stop the American Jordan Spieth

:34:36. > :34:47.becoming the youngest player to complete a career grand slam.

:34:48. > :34:49.Newcastle was yesterday added to the list of towns and cities

:34:50. > :34:52.where girls have suffered from the predations

:34:53. > :34:57.17 men of Asian heritage and one white woman were convicted yesterday

:34:58. > :35:00.for their part in a "cynical organisation" which groomed

:35:01. > :35:03.vulnerable young girls and women into sex.

:35:04. > :35:06.That list of towns now includes Rochdale, Derby,

:35:07. > :35:10.Liverpool, Peterborough, all have seen multiple convictions

:35:11. > :35:15.of predominantly Pakistani men for child sexual exploitation.

:35:16. > :35:18.So do we need to be looking further into the reasons

:35:19. > :35:22.Sarah Champion, the Shadow Secretary for Women and Equalities,

:35:23. > :35:26.is calling for research into this issue.

:35:27. > :35:33.She joins us now from Sheffield to explain.

:35:34. > :35:39.What is it that we need to understand more? I just can't

:35:40. > :35:44.believe that we are here doing the same story in a different town. This

:35:45. > :35:50.is going to keep going on and on and on until we grasp the nettle. What

:35:51. > :35:55.we need to look at is why this specific crime is a caring. This

:35:56. > :36:00.specific crime is organised gangs of dominantly Pakistani British men

:36:01. > :36:03.going out and looking for vulnerable children, predominantly girls,

:36:04. > :36:07.grooming, exploiting, trafficking, abusing them across the country.

:36:08. > :36:12.What frustrates me is that we are not going to the root of the

:36:13. > :36:17.problem. We aren't protecting our children properly so they understand

:36:18. > :36:20.about this crime. We also now have probably hundreds of these

:36:21. > :36:24.perpetrators in jail, so let's start doing some research. The government

:36:25. > :36:30.needs to paid to do research and see what are the commonalities. It's not

:36:31. > :36:34.rocket science. This is a specific group of men doing this crime so

:36:35. > :36:38.let's understand why. What are the drivers? What can we do to prevent

:36:39. > :36:42.it in the future? I don't want to be sitting here in another six months

:36:43. > :36:47.with another town. It's getting too much, Victoria. I hear your words

:36:48. > :36:51.for money to be put into research but what do you believe could be at

:36:52. > :36:55.the root of the problem? Obviously it is a complex issue but what kind

:36:56. > :37:01.of things are you thinking could be at the root? This is me guessing

:37:02. > :37:05.because I don't know, I'm obviously not Pakistani but I know

:37:06. > :37:11.particularly the Pakistani women I talked to. There does seem to be

:37:12. > :37:16.that women and girls are not as respected as much as boys are

:37:17. > :37:19.respected. There seems to be, I don't know if there is a manual on

:37:20. > :37:24.the inter-net but there seems to be a tight pattern of how the grooming

:37:25. > :37:31.process happens. This is obviously being shared amongst members within

:37:32. > :37:36.the Pakistani community. The girls that I've worked with, not only in

:37:37. > :37:42.Rob but other towns are being trafficked to the different towns

:37:43. > :37:49.where we are seeing this pattern happening. There have -- we have to

:37:50. > :37:54.get to the root of it and address it. I'm sorry it's quite unpalatable

:37:55. > :37:58.for some people. The reason I'm a bit fragile is I was up all night

:37:59. > :38:02.worrying. I know that Islamophobia is getting more and more in this

:38:03. > :38:05.country. I know there will be a backlash against the Pakistani

:38:06. > :38:10.community with me saying this. I also know that we have to do

:38:11. > :38:15.something, because this is a minority of people. Unless we stop

:38:16. > :38:20.them and deal with them as abusers, deal with them as paedophiles, the

:38:21. > :38:27.whole community is getting smeared by this. We have to be grown up and

:38:28. > :38:32.deal with it. You say it may be unpalatable to some but unpalatable

:38:33. > :38:40.to everybody, surely we can agree on that, is young girls being targeted,

:38:41. > :38:43.groomed and raped aged 12, for goodness' sake. You would think so,

:38:44. > :38:48.but unfortunately when you look at the two enquiries into the failings

:38:49. > :38:52.in the city of Robbie Renwick, what we see is not the front line staff

:38:53. > :38:57.but middle management staff saying to front-line workers take out the

:38:58. > :39:03.word Asian when identifying people -- the city of Rotherham. Front line

:39:04. > :39:08.staff have been told they are racist for saying this. They aren't being

:39:09. > :39:12.racist. This is an identifiable characteristics. They all belonged

:39:13. > :39:20.to one motorbike gang we would be dealing with that accordingly. We

:39:21. > :39:23.have to deal with this. Thank you. Sarah Champion, shadows is a gradual

:39:24. > :39:30.state for women and equality is. Coming up. Alexandra Shulman has

:39:31. > :39:35.been praised for that selfie, is she an inspiration or a hypocrite?

:39:36. > :39:41.Should never put that on the front of her former magazine, would she?

:39:42. > :39:45.-- she would never put that on the front of her former magazine.

:39:46. > :39:48.School children in some of the most deprived parts of Wales are getting

:39:49. > :39:50.free school meals these summer holidays paid for by

:39:51. > :39:53.?500,000 has been allocated which still means only a small

:39:54. > :39:57.A report earlier this year said that up to three million children

:39:58. > :39:59.across the UK risked going hungry in the holidays.

:40:00. > :40:02.We played you Catrin Nye's full report earlier -

:40:03. > :40:04.here's a short extract before we have conversation about this.

:40:05. > :40:06.Can you tell me what your favourite foods are?

:40:07. > :40:17.What did you have for lunch yesterday?

:40:18. > :40:23.And how many bowls did you have? Three bowls?!

:40:24. > :40:36.It's one of 39 schools in the most deprived parts of Wales

:40:37. > :40:38.providing breakfast, lunch and activities

:40:39. > :40:40.It's funded by the Welsh Government's education department,

:40:41. > :40:42.a budget controlled in Cardiff rather than Westminster.

:40:43. > :40:45.Do you guys have to go to school all year round?

:40:46. > :40:53.My mum think it's good, because she works, has a full-time

:40:54. > :40:55.job, and normally I sit home with my nan, but because I'm

:40:56. > :41:09.If the parents don't have enough money, they can put us into school

:41:10. > :41:18.I think every parent that brings a child in here is grateful for it.

:41:19. > :41:24.Lots of different reasons - childcare, food, entertainment.

:41:25. > :41:26.At this time so many people are struggling, like me.

:41:27. > :41:31.Having to make sure your kids get fed, not just feeding them

:41:32. > :41:34.with anything but giving them the right food.

:41:35. > :41:36.They're interacting with other children, playing,

:41:37. > :41:44.They don't look at it as they're in school,

:41:45. > :41:49.You guys have eaten more of your vegetables than me.

:41:50. > :41:54.A report by a cross-party group of MPs warned that three million

:41:55. > :42:00.children across the UK risk going hungry in school holidays.

:42:01. > :42:03.A third of the children who go to this school have free school

:42:04. > :42:06.meals, but you don't need to be eligible to get the free

:42:07. > :42:10.If you think that it's been decided that children need free school meals

:42:11. > :42:15.because of the amount of income the family has got, it's not

:42:16. > :42:21.surprising during the long summer holidays, when suddenly those things

:42:22. > :42:24.are not there, families are struggling.

:42:25. > :42:27.This is still only in a tiny proportion of the schools in Wales

:42:28. > :42:29.and at the moment the education departments in England and Scotland

:42:30. > :42:33.are not allocating specific funding to lunch clubs.

:42:34. > :42:36.Charities and local authorities are able to set them up,

:42:37. > :42:43.but there are calls for more central government money.

:42:44. > :42:46.Let's talk now to Daphine Aikens, she holds breakfast and lunch clubs

:42:47. > :42:53.Lindsay Graham is talking to us from Cardiff, where she's visiting

:42:54. > :43:05.schools there and comparing how free school meals are being effective.

:43:06. > :43:13.And Ruth Smeeth, on the Parliamentary committee on hunger.

:43:14. > :43:20.Welcome. How much of a demand I use seeing in London? We see a big

:43:21. > :43:23.increase every year in the summer holidays, and the Christmas

:43:24. > :43:29.holidays. We see many more children in the food bank and attending our

:43:30. > :43:33.holiday clubs. It's a club which provides loads of activities and a

:43:34. > :43:42.meal at lunchtime. Yes. Yesterday we had about 40 children in our W 12

:43:43. > :43:50.branch and another 30 in our full branch. About 70 people a day.

:43:51. > :43:55.That's going up? The amount of people needing food holiday clubs is

:43:56. > :44:05.increasing. What is your expertise in this area? I've done a Winston

:44:06. > :44:08.Churchill Fellowship in America to look at their policy on summer

:44:09. > :44:14.meals. I've been looking at Best practice and innovation in holiday

:44:15. > :44:18.provision in this country. I wrote a report about the days of the year

:44:19. > :44:22.where children don't access free school meals. It's not just the free

:44:23. > :44:27.school meals, it's all the other services that children need to

:44:28. > :44:32.access as well through education, health and social services. How is

:44:33. > :44:37.it working in parts of Wales? I think this is gold standard stuff.

:44:38. > :44:41.I'm going to see one of the schools and see it working. The schools are

:44:42. > :44:47.public venues and they are closed for 13 weeks of the year. They are a

:44:48. > :44:50.good place to do a good service like this and all credit to the Welsh

:44:51. > :44:55.government for what they've done here. Ruth Smeeth, thank you for

:44:56. > :45:00.talking to us. Some people are watching you who will be thinking

:45:01. > :45:05.there is no way in 2017 that parents cannot afford to feed their kids, if

:45:06. > :45:11.potentially they budget properly. What do you say to that? I think

:45:12. > :45:16.we've got to be really aware of what we are talking about. If your child

:45:17. > :45:20.qualifies for free school meals during the summer holidays you have

:45:21. > :45:25.to pay for a minimum of five extra meals per day but probably more

:45:26. > :45:29.likely ten if they qualify for free breakfast as well. That's ten extra

:45:30. > :45:33.meals per child per week. When you add onto that the fact all research

:45:34. > :45:36.is saying one third of parents are going without food at some point

:45:37. > :45:40.during the school holidays in order to feed their children, this isn't

:45:41. > :45:44.just a matter of budgeting, this is about how we feed our children. We

:45:45. > :45:45.are one of the richest countries in the world what's happening in the

:45:46. > :45:53.country is heartbreaking. What kernel stories do you hear from

:45:54. > :45:58.parents when they dropped their children off in the summer holidays?

:45:59. > :46:02.A lot of stories about people on low incomes, so families where parents

:46:03. > :46:07.are working, but when it comes to the school holidays, they are not

:46:08. > :46:10.getting free school meals, whether breakfast and lunch or just to

:46:11. > :46:16.lunch, and it is a huge increase on family budgets. I had a lovely mum

:46:17. > :46:19.withered two little boys, and she is a victim of domestic violence who

:46:20. > :46:25.had to leave home in the middle of the night, arrived at a hostel in

:46:26. > :46:28.London, she doesn't have any... She can't work, she has just arrived,

:46:29. > :46:34.trying to get the kids settled into new accommodation, she doesn't have

:46:35. > :46:41.any benefits. And the holiday club is a godsend for her. But you are

:46:42. > :46:45.saying there are children there with parents, two parents who both work,

:46:46. > :46:49.and they still need free school meals during the holidays.

:46:50. > :46:54.Absolutely, it is a chronic issue, because they are not earning enough,

:46:55. > :46:59.and in the holidays, the extra cost of that food can be ?30 per week per

:47:00. > :47:03.child according to the all-party report on anger. And that is a lot

:47:04. > :47:09.of money for anybody, let alone somebody on a low income. So who

:47:10. > :47:17.pays for the meals when they come to your club? We appeal for funding, so

:47:18. > :47:27.the Innocent Project Ara funded some Trussell Trust foodbanks, and we

:47:28. > :47:33.have also had donations. Lindsey, what you see in Wales, which you

:47:34. > :47:39.have described as the gold standard, you think it should be funded by

:47:40. > :47:44.British taxpayers? I think from the report, there were six specific

:47:45. > :47:47.recommendations, and I was just sitting writing the number of

:47:48. > :47:53.programmes, big scale programmes that I have seen across the UK, and

:47:54. > :47:56.there are about 14. But there are hundreds of these projects across

:47:57. > :48:02.the country, and there is a mixture of funding, and this report

:48:03. > :48:05.suggested that it isn't the Government's duty alone. The

:48:06. > :48:10.commercial world and the third sector and the statutory sector are

:48:11. > :48:14.picking it up. In Wales here, it is joint funding through the Welsh

:48:15. > :48:19.Government. We all have a duty to ensure that our children are well

:48:20. > :48:22.cared for, we can't ask them to be the global citizens, politicians,

:48:23. > :48:26.doctors and nurses of the future unless we start looking after them.

:48:27. > :48:30.It is a child poverty issue as well. We have got families who are

:48:31. > :48:34.homeless, zero-hours contracts, upstream measures are needed to

:48:35. > :48:38.tackle child poverty, as well as the downstream measures. We cannot have

:48:39. > :48:43.hungry children in this country, it is a national disgrace. A couple of

:48:44. > :48:47.messages from Sue, whilst I have sympathy for anyone who struggles to

:48:48. > :48:52.be their children, 30 years ago we had no help from government. Lara

:48:53. > :48:55.says, it is a great idea, but surely it should not need to be done in one

:48:56. > :49:00.of the richest countries in the world in 2017. I agree that it

:49:01. > :49:05.definitely shouldn't need to be done, and what I am really asking

:49:06. > :49:08.for from government is support for those community groups, which does

:49:09. > :49:12.include funding, who are providing this. In my own constituency this

:49:13. > :49:16.summer, we have had a series of pilots happening, demand has

:49:17. > :49:22.exceeded expectations. We have had one of the play centres, we were

:49:23. > :49:26.expecting 25 kids a day, we are averaging 90. We have got other

:49:27. > :49:29.opportunities happening across my constituency, where dozens of

:49:30. > :49:34.children, and this is the first year we have been able to put together an

:49:35. > :49:38.initiative to fund it, it is being funded locally, as well as through

:49:39. > :49:42.the national lottery and others. I want national funding plus a level

:49:43. > :49:45.of safeguards so that people can do it properly, there is support for

:49:46. > :49:49.community groups trying to do this. But I couldn't agree more, it is a

:49:50. > :49:58.disgrace and simply shouldn't be happening in the 21st century. Act

:49:59. > :50:02.for coming on the programme. -- thanks. The number of people waiting

:50:03. > :50:07.for routine NHS surgery in England in June was the highest in ten

:50:08. > :50:13.years, just over 90% of patients on waiting lists were seen within 18

:50:14. > :50:19.weeks, below the target of 92%. Our health editor, Hugh Pym, is here.

:50:20. > :50:24.The highest for quite a long time, why? Well, Victoria, part of this is

:50:25. > :50:27.because the NHS is doing more operations every year, so if it is

:50:28. > :50:32.doing more procedures, you will get more people waiting. But that is not

:50:33. > :50:36.the whole explanation. Many doctors, surgeons and others are saying it

:50:37. > :50:41.reflects the mounting pressure on the NHS, more people having to wait

:50:42. > :50:45.for routine surgery, and that figure of 3.83 million people waiting in

:50:46. > :50:50.England was the highest since December 2000 and seven. Within

:50:51. > :50:56.that, the total waiting more than 18 weeks... Which is supposed to be the

:50:57. > :51:02.target. It should be 92% who start their treatment within 18 weeks. But

:51:03. > :51:11.373,000 were waiting longer than that, up 21% year-on-year from that

:51:12. > :51:14.target which was missed. People are saying something has to give, and

:51:15. > :51:19.this is what is giving, the NHS is under pressure on all sides, it is

:51:20. > :51:24.having to put more money into A, and it has missed that target again,

:51:25. > :51:28.it is and pressure to spend in all areas, and a Simon Stevens, the head

:51:29. > :51:32.of NHS England, gave the nod to hospitals back in March - if

:51:33. > :51:36.something has to give, it probably has to be waiting lists. That might

:51:37. > :51:40.sound fine in theory, if you have to deal with mil urgent cases, but

:51:41. > :51:45.people waiting a long time for hip and knee surgery, they will be very

:51:46. > :51:51.frustrated. So is that what routine surgeries, hip and knee is, what

:51:52. > :51:57.kind of stuff are we talking about? If you are waiting for a new hip, it

:51:58. > :52:02.must be blooming painful. Exactly, it could even be routine surgery of

:52:03. > :52:07.any description that is not urgent, or a procedure. It is not an

:52:08. > :52:12.emergency. So you have to wait, and you could be in a lot of pain, and

:52:13. > :52:16.for hip and knee surgery, there are parts of the NHS which are

:52:17. > :52:20.restricting the criteria, so you have to be in more pain before you

:52:21. > :52:24.qualify for it, and then if you aren't third, you have to wait more

:52:25. > :52:30.than 18 weeks in some cases. -- and then if you are referred. NHS

:52:31. > :52:35.England chiefs would say, we have been told by the Government that it

:52:36. > :52:38.is A which is very important, because people are waiting more than

:52:39. > :52:44.four hours, and that something has to, if you like, take up the slack.

:52:45. > :52:49.But NHS England say they want to get back on target. Waiting lists was a

:52:50. > :52:53.huge issue back in the late 1980s when New Labour came in, they

:52:54. > :52:58.pledged to bring down waiting times, and it is becoming an issue again.

:52:59. > :53:04.And where are we with money going into the NHS in England and Wales?

:53:05. > :53:09.Some will say, if you put more money in, it will help with bringing

:53:10. > :53:13.waiting times down again. Well, the money in England is going up a lot

:53:14. > :53:18.less rapidly than it did last year, and for next year as well. So still

:53:19. > :53:23.getting more? And not keeping up with demand. If it carries on rising

:53:24. > :53:25.at 4% per year, more patients needing more treatments for

:53:26. > :53:31.understandable reasons, but the budgets are going up at only about

:53:32. > :53:34.1%. Scotland and Ireland have devolved, they're spending has not

:53:35. > :53:38.gone up as rapidly as in England, so they are facing the same problems

:53:39. > :53:43.with waiting list as well. Their waiting lists are getting longer, so

:53:44. > :53:45.it is a problem throughout the NHS in the UK, this is just the latest

:53:46. > :53:51.illustration of it. Thank you, Hugh. Not the bikini shot you'd expect

:53:52. > :53:54.from a woman who's spent decades overseeing the promotion of perfect,

:53:55. > :53:56.often airbrushed, This is Alexandra Shulman,

:53:57. > :54:02.recently retired editor of Vogue, a woman of a certain age -

:54:03. > :54:08.that's 59 - and now a selfie taker gone viral, mosquito bites

:54:09. > :54:21.and wobbly bits and all. A lot of women replying to her feet

:54:22. > :54:25.have said it is refreshing you have posted this picture, a few women

:54:26. > :54:29.have said this is hypocritical, because you oversaw a fashion bible

:54:30. > :54:32.where you have a picture like that on that front.

:54:33. > :54:36.Let's speak now to the stylist and image consultant Ceril Campbell.

:54:37. > :54:39.She's styled many celebrities including the likes

:54:40. > :54:44.of Zara Phillips, Darcey Bussell and Serena Williams.

:54:45. > :54:52.Good morning. What do you think of the selfie from Alexandra Shulman?

:54:53. > :54:57.Well, funnelling of, I posted one of myself paddle boarding on Instagram,

:54:58. > :55:01.because I am older than Alex. -- funnily enough. I think we can all

:55:02. > :55:05.do what we want to do, we shouldn't have to airbrush, we should be

:55:06. > :55:09.confident in our bodies, and my clients, not celebrities, but real

:55:10. > :55:13.women, everything I do is to help women look in the mirror and

:55:14. > :55:18.appreciate all their good bits and look at the whole of themselves, not

:55:19. > :55:21.just focus on the bad bits. Because we all have something that is really

:55:22. > :55:28.good about ourselves, and real bodies, we are not on Love Island,

:55:29. > :55:32.we are not perfect, we don't need to be airbrushed, and I also go into

:55:33. > :55:39.schools and teach teenagers Annie Power of social media and how it

:55:40. > :55:45.affects negative body images. -- about the power of social media.

:55:46. > :55:51.No-one I have ever dressed is perfect, however famous they are. So

:55:52. > :55:54.refreshing that Alexandra Shulman has done this, but what about the

:55:55. > :55:58.charge of hypocrisy? She has written about the pressure on women, she has

:55:59. > :56:04.acknowledged it, but yet she has presided over Vogue for 25 years,

:56:05. > :56:08.where already beautiful and thin women are airbrushed to within an

:56:09. > :56:14.inch of their life in order to appear on the cover. This is true,

:56:15. > :56:16.but I suppose that anyone in a high-profile position, you have to

:56:17. > :56:21.be careful what you put out on social media, because everything on

:56:22. > :56:29.social media is at there, is at there, it is difficult to get rid

:56:30. > :56:33.of. If you are the head of Vogue, you wouldn't post a bikini picture

:56:34. > :56:35.of yourself because it is not pertinent, it doesn't make you look

:56:36. > :56:43.authoritative anymore, does it, really? And to be honest, I think

:56:44. > :56:47.you have to... If you're going to tell other people what to do,

:56:48. > :56:54.especially if you are in a position as Vogue, you have to give yourself

:56:55. > :56:59.some sort of... It is the equivalent of not... You need to dress for the

:57:00. > :57:02.job, you are the face of the brand, so putting yourself up in a bikini

:57:03. > :57:07.is not the face of the brand. I and not suggesting it would have been

:57:08. > :57:11.wise for her to do that when she was the editor, but such a position of

:57:12. > :57:16.influence, she could have banned airbrushing in her own magazine if

:57:17. > :57:19.she had wanted to. She was never the skinny editor, out of all the

:57:20. > :57:24.editors and people sitting on the front row... I know, but she was the

:57:25. > :57:29.editor of the magazine, she could have done what you wanted, but

:57:30. > :57:34.whatever she wanted on the cover, but a size 16 woman on the cover of

:57:35. > :57:39.British Vogue, what a statement that would have made! It would have, but

:57:40. > :57:42.you are very beholden... When you are in the magazine world, which I

:57:43. > :57:46.am not, you are very beholden to your advertisers, which is very sad,

:57:47. > :57:50.because they keep the magazine alive, and obviously with some money

:57:51. > :57:55.to be able to publish it. So often you can only do what the advertisers

:57:56. > :58:02.allow you to do. I remember years ago I used to be involved in a

:58:03. > :58:05.magazine which was for older women, and none of the advertisers would

:58:06. > :58:10.advertise in it because they felt nobody over the age of 35 was going

:58:11. > :58:18.to be wanting to buy that magazine or buy a magazine. Which is really

:58:19. > :58:23.sad. Thank you, Ceril Campbell. I do apologise for pronouncing your name

:58:24. > :58:27.that way! I appreciate your time. And thanks for your time today, BBC

:58:28. > :58:33.Newsroom Live is coming up next, have a good day.

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