14/08/2017

:00:00. > :00:11.It's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

:00:12. > :00:21.Urgent action is needed to deal with thousands of prisoners

:00:22. > :00:24.still serving time on indeterminate sentences where they are still

:00:25. > :00:26.inside years after the jail term they were given.

:00:27. > :00:35.I don't like getting up in the morning, because I don't know what

:00:36. > :00:42.is going to happen. There might be a phone call. A phone call to say

:00:43. > :00:44.what? That he took his own life, I think that is what is going to

:00:45. > :00:47.happen if we can't get him out. We'll hear from the families

:00:48. > :00:50.of two men who have been in prison for years longer

:00:51. > :00:52.than their original sentence. Rallies and vigils in cities

:00:53. > :00:55.across America to condemn the violence and hatred seen

:00:56. > :01:01.in Charlottesville Virgina at the weekend when white

:01:02. > :01:03.supremicists and anti-fascists The American vice president

:01:04. > :01:06.Mike Pence has condemned far right protestors

:01:07. > :01:10.over the violence. We have no tolerance for hate

:01:11. > :01:12.and violence from white These dangerous fringe groups have

:01:13. > :01:22.no place in American public life and the American public debate

:01:23. > :01:24.and we condemn them And 70 years ago 200 years

:01:25. > :01:36.of British colonial rule in India came to an end when the country

:01:37. > :01:39.was partitioned into Pakistan and India -

:01:40. > :01:41.hundreds of thousands of people were killed as violence

:01:42. > :01:43.erupted on both sides. We will talk to two families

:01:44. > :01:46.about what it meant for them Welcome to the programme,

:01:47. > :02:00.we're live until 11 this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories

:02:01. > :02:03.we're talking about today - including the news of a big increase

:02:04. > :02:06.in the number of people being arrested for being drunk

:02:07. > :02:11.at airports or on flights. If you work in the travel industry

:02:12. > :02:17.and have experienced drunk passengers or if you're a traveller

:02:18. > :02:20.with views on whether licensing laws should be changed -

:02:21. > :02:22.do get in contact. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:02:23. > :02:25.and if you text, you will be charged The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

:02:26. > :02:30.has responded to the weekend's deadly violence at a white

:02:31. > :02:33.supremacist rally in Virginia - by saying he condemns

:02:34. > :02:34.white supremacists "in A vigil was held in Charlottesville

:02:35. > :02:41.last night to remember Heather Heyer, who was killed

:02:42. > :02:43.during the protests. 19 others were injured when a car

:02:44. > :02:46.was driven into a crowd President Trump has been criticised

:02:47. > :02:51.for failing to speak out Our Washington Correspondent Laura

:02:52. > :02:58.Bicker has this report. The candles and songs

:02:59. > :03:04.are for Heather Heyer, who died standing up

:03:05. > :03:09.for what she believed in. After a weekend of deadly

:03:10. > :03:23.violence and anger on the streets, there is now

:03:24. > :03:25.a longing to come together Heather was one of the

:03:26. > :03:29.demonstrators trying to stop white supremacists marching

:03:30. > :03:30.through Charlottesville on Saturday. She was killed when

:03:31. > :03:32.this car ploughed Her close friend now

:03:33. > :03:36.appeals for unity. I want everybody to get together

:03:37. > :03:41.and unite and spread love and spread peace and spread happiness

:03:42. > :03:44.and don't let hate live. Don't just let someone

:03:45. > :03:46.walk away freely Tell them that that's not

:03:47. > :03:53.OK, that it's not OK. One of the organisers

:03:54. > :03:55.of the Unite The Right rally And as he left,

:03:56. > :04:04.he was forced to flee. Armed police had to

:04:05. > :04:10.escort him from the city. He's condemned the

:04:11. > :04:11.violence but says he I feel like my First Amendment

:04:12. > :04:24.rights and the rights of the people at my

:04:25. > :04:28.rally were violated. But there is no sympathy here for

:04:29. > :04:31.those who brought hate to the city. Laura Bicker, BBC News,

:04:32. > :04:35.Charlottesville. Rachel Schofield is in the BBC

:04:36. > :04:38.Newsroom with a summary The chairman of the Parole Board

:04:39. > :04:44.Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

:04:45. > :04:48.of prisoners serving The sentence, known as Imprisonment

:04:49. > :04:57.for Public Protection, or IPP, was abolished in 2012 but more

:04:58. > :05:00.than 3000 people in England and Wales are still being held

:05:01. > :05:02.with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

:05:03. > :05:05.working to process these cases And we'll have more on that

:05:06. > :05:12.story in a few minutes. Arrests of passengers suspected

:05:13. > :05:14.of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen

:05:15. > :05:17.by 50% in the past year, according to an investigation

:05:18. > :05:20.carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

:05:21. > :05:23.a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

:05:24. > :05:25.and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

:05:26. > :05:35.they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

:05:36. > :05:37.with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

:05:38. > :05:43.dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

:05:44. > :05:45.Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

:05:46. > :05:48.of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

:05:49. > :05:49.repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

:05:50. > :05:55.is due in court later today. Armed officers in the UK's biggest

:05:56. > :05:58.police force are to be issued They will be attached

:05:59. > :06:02.to the caps and protective helmets of members of

:06:03. > :06:04.the Metropolitan Police's Scotland Yard has yet to decide

:06:05. > :06:11.on how to use body-worn cameras Security forces in Burkina Faso have

:06:12. > :06:19.killed two suspected jihadist gunmen after a terrorist attack

:06:20. > :06:20.in the capital. The country's communications

:06:21. > :06:22.minister says a number of hostages were trapped inside a restaurant

:06:23. > :06:24.after gunmen opened At least 18 people are believed

:06:25. > :06:32.to have been killed in the attack South Korea's President has urged

:06:33. > :06:42.both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

:06:43. > :06:49.in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There must be no

:06:50. > :06:54.more war on the Korean Peninsula". His comments come after a week of

:06:55. > :06:57.ratcheting up of tensions by the US He's due to meet America's most

:06:58. > :07:12.senior military officer later today. Up to 140,000 vulnerable children

:07:13. > :07:14.did not receive the help they needed last year

:07:15. > :07:16.because their situation was not judged to be serious enough,

:07:17. > :07:19.according to Action for Children. The charity has found thousands

:07:20. > :07:21.of young people referred to social services did not end up getting any

:07:22. > :07:24.support before their The government says its reforms

:07:25. > :07:27.will improve the situation. Debbie has been working

:07:28. > :07:30.in children's services for 16 years and helps families with anything

:07:31. > :07:32.from behavioural problems But she says it's become harder

:07:33. > :07:41.to provide the support they need. I've got, across the sites I run,

:07:42. > :07:47.I've got just under 2,500 under fives and three

:07:48. > :07:50.members of staff, so as much as we do,

:07:51. > :07:53.there's a lot that we can't possibly do because we can't be

:07:54. > :07:55.everywhere at once. We're already aware of families

:07:56. > :08:01.that we're not picking up in the same way and it's only

:08:02. > :08:06.going to get worse from that. A freedom of information request

:08:07. > :08:11.to local authorities found that last year, 184,500 children's needs

:08:12. > :08:14.assessments were closed because they fell short

:08:15. > :08:20.of the criteria for support. The charity Action For Children

:08:21. > :08:22.says only around one in four families received early help

:08:23. > :08:24.services such as children's centres We know from too many cases

:08:25. > :08:32.that if we're not able to help children early,

:08:33. > :08:34.that there are strong likelihoods For example, in serious

:08:35. > :08:39.case reviews, 70% of the time we know that there

:08:40. > :08:42.have been early warning signs But we also know that if we give

:08:43. > :08:47.children and families the tools to help themselves much earlier,

:08:48. > :08:49.then they're much more likely not to need help

:08:50. > :08:51.later on in any case. The local government association

:08:52. > :08:53.blames government cuts But the Department

:08:54. > :08:58.for Education says it's taking action to support vulnerable

:08:59. > :09:00.children by reforming social care services and better

:09:01. > :09:02.protecting victims It says councils spent almost

:09:03. > :09:06.?8 billion last year on children's social care,

:09:07. > :09:09.but it wants to help them do more. Pakistan is celebrating the 70th

:09:10. > :09:15.anniversary of its creation There were fireworks at midnight

:09:16. > :09:22.to mark the moment of partition from India at the end

:09:23. > :09:27.of British colonial rule. The partition of British India

:09:28. > :09:31.in 1947 was marked by the largest mass migration in history,

:09:32. > :09:36.with huge bloodshed on both sides. The American space agency's Cassini

:09:37. > :09:39.probe has begun the final phase The satellite has begun a series

:09:40. > :09:44.of "ultra-close" passes through Scientists are hoping it will reveal

:09:45. > :09:50.more about the chemical make-up and internal structure

:09:51. > :10:02.of the planet. It is either Billy one of the most

:10:03. > :10:16.distinctive sounds in the world -- it is arguably one of the most.

:10:17. > :10:32.However, next Monday at midday Big Ben will chime for the final

:10:33. > :10:35.time until 2021 to allow repair work to take place on the clock

:10:36. > :10:38.The bells will still ring out on Remembrance Sunday

:10:39. > :10:41.and at New Year but will otherwise fall silent for only

:10:42. > :10:45.Experts have suggested removing soot and repairing the bell in the clock

:10:46. > :10:47.could change the frequency of the soundwaves and even

:10:48. > :10:51.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 930am.

:10:52. > :10:53.Let's get some sport with Hugh Ferris.

:10:54. > :10:55.Let's start with athletics and a string of medals over

:10:56. > :10:58.the weekend saw Great Britain reach their medal target.

:10:59. > :11:03.If you had asked me on Saturday morning I would have said not

:11:04. > :11:06.particularly brilliant, but now you are asking me on Monday night I

:11:07. > :11:12.would say quite impressive. The medal target was 5-8 and so they got

:11:13. > :11:17.six in the end, and four of those came over the weekend. Five in the

:11:18. > :11:24.last 48 hours if you include Mo Farah, but the women's four by 400

:11:25. > :11:29.metres have the won a medal in each of the last five championships. And

:11:30. > :11:39.then there was a bronze for the men's Quartet. Martyn Rooney on the

:11:40. > :11:44.last leg there. The relay medals papered over the cracks, some would

:11:45. > :11:50.say, after it was a disappointing championships and till then, but

:11:51. > :11:56.they have been very much investing time and money on the relay squad

:11:57. > :12:01.and it has paid dividends. It is a very young team, as well. You have

:12:02. > :12:07.to look at many fourth-place achievements by young athletes who

:12:08. > :12:08.will use this as a jumping off point for what will come in the next three

:12:09. > :12:11.years. How did Tom Bosworth get

:12:12. > :12:18.on in the 20 kilometre walk? Many people remember him from the

:12:19. > :12:23.Victoria Derbyshire programme when he came out as being gay, a very

:12:24. > :12:25.emotional time for him a couple of years ago, and it was very emotional

:12:26. > :12:34.for him yesterday, he was disqualified while leading in the 20

:12:35. > :12:37.kilometres walk. You basically get three red cards and then you are

:12:38. > :12:43.out, and there he is, he was devastated. He had to be

:12:44. > :12:49.disqualified from the race. He was very upset afterwards. This is just

:12:50. > :12:55.the beginning. These bad days happened but they make the good day

:12:56. > :13:02.'s taste really good and the support I've had from everyone, I'm sorry...

:13:03. > :13:09.I've let them down and I can get a medal, but I know I can get a medal

:13:10. > :13:14.one-day. I won't be complacent, I've got to work hard and come out and

:13:15. > :13:22.show what Eichenried do. Such a shame, but he will go on to bigger

:13:23. > :13:30.and better things few -- show what I can really do.

:13:31. > :13:36.And Usain Bolt and MO Farah said their goodbyes yesterday?

:13:37. > :13:44.Usain Bolt was given a piece of the 2012 track, the Lane in which he won

:13:45. > :13:51.the 100 metres five years ago. He has said he will now spend time

:13:52. > :13:57.having some fun. Not like he hadn't had any for the last ten years for

:13:58. > :14:02.the Mo Farah departed with strong and angry words, saying part of the

:14:03. > :14:07.media had tried to destroy his legacy, concerning his relationship

:14:08. > :14:12.with his coach Alberto Salazar, who is being investigated by the US

:14:13. > :14:16.anti-doping agency. He has not been accused of anything wrong in terms

:14:17. > :14:20.of doping, but Mo Farah was not pleased that his legacy might be

:14:21. > :14:25.tarnished. I will still keep fighting and working hard and making

:14:26. > :14:28.my country proud, and I'm proud to be British and put my GB vest on and

:14:29. > :14:35.do it for my country. You can write what you like, but at the same time,

:14:36. > :14:43.I'm a clean athlete and as long as I sleep well at night and laughing my

:14:44. > :14:58.children, showing what's right, that is what counts -- loving. He is so

:14:59. > :15:00.going to be known as Mohammed Farah now.

:15:01. > :15:02.Away from the athletics, there was an unlikely winner

:15:03. > :15:13.Yes, his name is Justin Thomas. He was known for his sartorial

:15:14. > :15:18.elegance, but he is an American. And this is one of his six birdies on

:15:19. > :15:28.his final-round 68. Trust me, that was one of his six birdies. He walks

:15:29. > :15:35.away, and then he finds that a gust of wind is on his side and in it

:15:36. > :15:44.goes. It was very dramatic, at 1.5 players shared the lead. -- at one

:15:45. > :15:47.point five players. He is one of a new group of Americans, along with

:15:48. > :15:53.the likes of Jordan Spieth, who failed to become the youngest ever

:15:54. > :15:57.player to win a golfing grand slam. They are good friends and they will

:15:58. > :16:00.be a real challenge to the likes of Rory McIlroy in the years to come,

:16:01. > :16:09.but once again a new winner of a major tournament. Watch out for

:16:10. > :16:14.Justin Thomas and his 14 seconds putt. Thanks for joining us.

:16:15. > :16:22.One person has written to us to say, why don't they close the bars at

:16:23. > :16:27.airports, it is just profits that keep them going. Each traveller

:16:28. > :16:31.could buy in airports but not be allowed to have it until they land

:16:32. > :16:38.at their destination and it would be much easier to ban it altogether,

:16:39. > :16:40.they say. Let us know what you think about thinking on planes. --

:16:41. > :16:46.drinking. 11 years ago today James Ward

:16:47. > :16:48.was given a 10 month He is still inside and still

:16:49. > :16:52.has no release date. He is serving what's

:16:53. > :16:53.known as an indeterminate sentence called an IPP -

:16:54. > :16:56.Imprisonment for Public Protection. Labour introduced them in 2003

:16:57. > :16:58.and thought they would apply to a few hundred serious violent

:16:59. > :17:00.and sexual offenders. Ken Clarke - when he was

:17:01. > :17:05.the Justice Secretary - called them a "stain"

:17:06. > :17:07.on the criminal justice Let's talk to Zoe Conway who's been

:17:08. > :17:22.investigating this for us. We will be discussing self harm

:17:23. > :17:28.within this section of the programme, so you may find that

:17:29. > :17:32.upsetting and distressing. Imprisonment for Public Protection

:17:33. > :17:40.was brought in by Labour in 2005 but abolished in 2012. It wasn't

:17:41. > :17:44.retroactive which means there are still thousands of people in prison

:17:45. > :17:58.on the sentence. At its peak there were 6000 IPP prisoners. Now there

:17:59. > :18:01.are 3300. 85% of them have already served the minimum sentence or

:18:02. > :18:06.tariff. This is what is called the punishment bit of the sentence.

:18:07. > :18:09.They've already done that bit of the sentence and yet they are still in

:18:10. > :18:16.prison. In terms of how over the tariff they are, we are looking at

:18:17. > :18:24.465 prisoners who were given two years or less, who are now serving

:18:25. > :18:30.many more years than that. 465 had served at least five years on top of

:18:31. > :18:34.that tariff. We are talking about some people who have served an

:18:35. > :18:41.extraordinary length of time. 48 prisoners have in fact served more

:18:42. > :18:46.than ten years over their minimum. They might have got in the case of

:18:47. > :18:51.James Ward, ten months. And yet 11 years later, he is still in prison.

:18:52. > :18:56.This is what is causing such concern amongst prison campaigners. This

:18:57. > :19:00.morning we heard from Nick Hardwick the chairman of the parole board and

:19:01. > :19:05.he is urging the government to act. He's been calling on them for the

:19:06. > :19:10.last year to get a grip on this. He wants to put the burden of proof on

:19:11. > :19:17.the state, on the present system, to prove that these prisoners still

:19:18. > :19:21.pose a serious risk. At the moment you get towards the end of your

:19:22. > :19:26.tariff, you have to show a parole board you are no longer a risk. Many

:19:27. > :19:30.people including Ken Clarke and Nick Hardwick, also including Michael

:19:31. > :19:35.Gove, are saying how can a prison prove they are no longer a risk? It

:19:36. > :19:40.has to be up to the state to decide that. Nick Hardwick feels the parole

:19:41. > :19:46.board has made some progress, 900 people have been released in the

:19:47. > :19:50.last year but now it's up to the government to move things along. Why

:19:51. > :19:54.is it taking so long? There are many reasons but part of the problem is

:19:55. > :19:58.because there are so many more people in prison than was ever in

:19:59. > :20:03.visit, the system can't cope. They are supposed to be able to access

:20:04. > :20:08.courses to reduce their risk, there are huge waiting lists for these

:20:09. > :20:13.courses. Then they have a parole board hearing, they have to do

:20:14. > :20:20.another course and they get stuck. Last week, I spent time with the

:20:21. > :20:25.family of James Ward who went to visit him in prison. I spent the day

:20:26. > :20:29.with them and we filmed with them. It was rather distressing because

:20:30. > :20:30.James has been self harming. This film contains some quite distressing

:20:31. > :20:35.scenes. It's been a while since

:20:36. > :20:38.we have seen him last. I don't think we have

:20:39. > :20:41.seen him this year. Bill and Christine

:20:42. > :20:43.Ward are preparing themselves to visit

:20:44. > :20:45.their son in prison. He has been locked up

:20:46. > :20:47.for the last 11 years. They don't know what to

:20:48. > :20:51.expect when they see him. I think this is the worst

:20:52. > :20:58.year I have ever done with James, because it is touch

:20:59. > :21:03.and go, kind of thing. One minute he's up,

:21:04. > :21:07.the next minute he is down. He is like us, he doesn't

:21:08. > :21:17.know where he is. When James was 17, he went to prison

:21:18. > :21:20.for a year for assault. Near the end of his

:21:21. > :21:22.sentence, he set fire For doing this, a judge

:21:23. > :21:26.gave him an IPP, or imprisonment for

:21:27. > :21:27.public protection, and said he should serve

:21:28. > :21:32.a minimum of ten months. It really does get to you,

:21:33. > :21:41.you can't sleep at night. You get up, have a cup

:21:42. > :21:45.of tea, it still I can't remember when I proper

:21:46. > :21:57.laughed, the last time I laughed. I don't know what it is

:21:58. > :22:06.like to have a good time James wanted to write to us

:22:07. > :22:16.but he is not allowed pens I was rushed to

:22:17. > :22:21.hospital last week as I feel ill treated and I'm still not

:22:22. > :22:28.getting anywhere after all these I have spoken to my sister recently

:22:29. > :22:32.and she was in tears I am trying so hard to stay

:22:33. > :22:41.as strong as possible but I couldn't promise her that I wouldn't

:22:42. > :22:51.do something stupid. He shoved a pen in his arm

:22:52. > :22:54.so he went to hospital for that, Basically James is saying that

:22:55. > :22:58.when he is crying out for help, he is not getting any

:22:59. > :23:01.and that is why we are so dedicated, you know, to getting him home

:23:02. > :23:04.because we have got 100% dedication. James is just a number to them,

:23:05. > :23:07.you know, he is family member, he is my brother, we can look

:23:08. > :23:10.after him, we can get him the right help, you know,

:23:11. > :23:14.and every day we could be with him and step-by-step

:23:15. > :23:15.we can get him there. In order to be released,

:23:16. > :23:18.IPP prisoners must prove to a parole board that they are no longer

:23:19. > :23:20.a risk to society. That might sound straightforward

:23:21. > :23:23.but many have struggled to access the programmes designed

:23:24. > :23:25.to reduce that risk. Some people watching this will say,

:23:26. > :23:31.he must have done things in prison to deserve him being kept there this

:23:32. > :23:34.long, that this 11 years has to be for reason,

:23:35. > :23:40.it has to be his fault. I can't stress enough

:23:41. > :23:43.how untrue that is. A mattress fire, you know, a piece

:23:44. > :23:46.of paper has been set on fire, James has chucked his bed

:23:47. > :23:49.about around his cell a little bit. This does not, I can't stress

:23:50. > :23:52.enough, he's not dangerous, he has never been violent in the 11

:23:53. > :23:54.years in prison. The officers said that they never

:23:55. > :24:00.feel unsafe around James. James' parole hearings have

:24:01. > :24:03.been delayed repeatedly because the prison service has

:24:04. > :24:05.failed to carry out vital His upcoming hearing in September

:24:06. > :24:13.is more than a year behind schedule. I dread getting up in the morning

:24:14. > :24:16.because I don't know what is going to be coming

:24:17. > :24:19.that they, what is going to happen. Is there going to be

:24:20. > :24:21.a knock on the door, is there going to be a phone

:24:22. > :24:24.call or whatever? Took his own life and that is

:24:25. > :24:30.what I believe he will do. If we can't get him out, I think

:24:31. > :24:33.that's what it's going to be. This is the first visit

:24:34. > :24:53.by James' family since James feels so unsafe on the main

:24:54. > :25:00.wing here at Garth Prison that he deliberately behaves badly

:25:01. > :25:02.to get himself to put The Chief Inspector of Prisons

:25:03. > :25:08.wrote a damning report It was called very unsafe

:25:09. > :25:15.and the segregation unit was said to be fellow

:25:16. > :25:17.prisoners seeking sanctuary. The living conditions were very poor

:25:18. > :25:25.and the staff overwhelmed. He is not sleeping,

:25:26. > :25:34.he has lost weight... Pippa Carruthers has

:25:35. > :25:35.been representing James She says key paperwork

:25:36. > :25:41.is still missing. So the parole board is meant to meet

:25:42. > :25:44.on the 6th of September, how optimistic are you that the board

:25:45. > :25:46.is actually going to be able to make a decision

:25:47. > :25:51.about what to do with James? We are now less than a month away

:25:52. > :25:55.from the hearing where potentially the parole board will still not

:25:56. > :25:58.have the information it needs in order to make

:25:59. > :26:00.a thorough realistic decision about whether James can be

:26:01. > :26:06.managed in the community. A further knock back,

:26:07. > :26:09.particularly in circumstances where I will have to explain to him

:26:10. > :26:12.that some of the reasons are because of things that haven't

:26:13. > :26:14.been available or done thoroughly enough or made available

:26:15. > :26:17.to the parole board will be extremely difficult for him

:26:18. > :26:26.to understand and to take. James' family may have got used

:26:27. > :26:28.to hearing about his self harming, but they are unprepared for just how

:26:29. > :26:40.ill he looked on the visit. We've got in there, James looked

:26:41. > :26:41.absolutely terrible. His skin's yellow, he has

:26:42. > :26:44.lost so much weight. And they are just

:26:45. > :26:49.leaving him there to rot. This is not just about mental

:26:50. > :26:55.illness, he cannot cope in there. He was on a wing, he thought

:26:56. > :26:58.he was doing OK, they found out he was a IPP prisoner and that makes

:26:59. > :27:02.them vulnerable and then they want him to do silly things

:27:03. > :27:05.and if he doesn't cooperate So he's had separate himself

:27:06. > :27:09.against which means causing problems, causing trouble

:27:10. > :27:12.so obviously that looks bad for the fact that he has

:27:13. > :27:15.to misbehaves to get himself in the block, to protect himself,

:27:16. > :27:18.and then because he is on constant watch because of the self harm,

:27:19. > :27:21.he's literally sat behind a cage like an animal where they walk past

:27:22. > :27:30.and point and laugh at him. Let's talk now to James

:27:31. > :27:43.Ward's sister April - Lisa Ullah, who's brother -

:27:44. > :27:47.also called James is on an IPP. He was given a 4 year

:27:48. > :27:49.sentence for robbery, Mark Day is from the

:27:50. > :27:53.Prison Reform Trust and John Podmore's

:27:54. > :27:59.a former prison governor As we saw in the film there,

:28:00. > :28:16.James is in a really bad place You feel he is in a vicious cycle.

:28:17. > :28:21.Definitely. He's lost all hope. He's got nothing left. He's drained, he

:28:22. > :28:25.can't take any more. The hardest thing to accept is that James is

:28:26. > :28:29.doing nothing wrong. He's not got a mental illness to put him in

:28:30. > :28:34.hospital, but he's self harming and they say he's got a personality

:28:35. > :28:40.disorder. Nobody seems to want to help James reform and get better. Is

:28:41. > :28:44.he getting any treatment? No. He guessed tablets for ADHD but apart

:28:45. > :28:47.from that he gets no help. He's in segregation because he says he

:28:48. > :28:53.doesn't feel safe on the wing. He gets bullied. The prisoners don't

:28:54. > :28:56.lift you up, they target the fact you are suffering and that is very

:28:57. > :29:00.disturbing. Has he had a formal assessment of his mental state? No,

:29:01. > :29:06.we are still waiting for the assessment. That is why parole has

:29:07. > :29:09.been put back. Not only do psychiatric assessment, the

:29:10. > :29:13.probation officer hasn't done any reports or care plans. They've known

:29:14. > :29:17.for nearly three years that his parole was coming up, it's a year

:29:18. > :29:22.over tariff so he should have had the parole a year ago. It's been

:29:23. > :29:26.knocked back after knock-back, there's only so many times you can

:29:27. > :29:32.play with a man's freedom. He can't cope there. Because he's not fully

:29:33. > :29:35.mentally unwell he can't be hospitalised but he's at the point

:29:36. > :29:40.where he can't cope with prison life and he's self harming because of

:29:41. > :29:44.having no hope. He's fallen through the net and how should that be

:29:45. > :29:49.allowed, that James is left to rot in prison because he doesn't fit a

:29:50. > :29:53.category? This is a man's lies, they should be doing something for him.

:29:54. > :29:59.And if they don't want to, give him back to his family and let us deal

:30:00. > :30:03.with James and his problems. I'm no specialist but surely the fact that

:30:04. > :30:08.James is getting these anxieties and problems because of prison life. I

:30:09. > :30:14.hear what you are saying about the fact he wants to be out of the, he

:30:15. > :30:18.wants to be put into isolation to get out of where he is so he behaves

:30:19. > :30:22.in a way that gets him put in there. From the perspective of the prison

:30:23. > :30:26.authorities, if he is behaving like that and he's on one of these orders

:30:27. > :30:31.that is about public protection... They are minimal crimes. James is

:30:32. > :30:33.getting three years for doing minimal crime spot parole officers

:30:34. > :30:37.need to understand the environment he's living in. He's never been

:30:38. > :30:40.violent, the prison officers have never felt unsafe around him. He's

:30:41. > :30:51.not a risk to the public. What does he do to get sent there?

:30:52. > :30:55.He basically throws things around his cell and that is against the

:30:56. > :30:59.rules and he is put in segregation, and he remains there even when he is

:31:00. > :31:05.allowed to be out, he keeps himself down there because he can't cope in

:31:06. > :31:16.the hostile environment that it is in prison. Your brother James is

:31:17. > :31:27.also in on an indeterminate term. He was sentenced to a four-year IPP in

:31:28. > :31:33.2006 and he still remains now. 12 years in April, he was alongside

:31:34. > :31:39.other co-defendants and one of those got four years and did two years and

:31:40. > :31:44.one of them got five years and did two and a half years and another one

:31:45. > :31:50.got out early release ten months down the line and the last one got a

:31:51. > :31:57.12 month supervision. Why did he get the sentence he got? He is not an

:31:58. > :32:01.angel, he had a troubled upbringing, and I'm not saying what he did was

:32:02. > :32:09.right, he should be punished but the crime should reflect the punishment.

:32:10. > :32:14.He's not a murderer or a rapist or a paedophile, he has not done anything

:32:15. > :32:20.severe to be in this position. But these people are being released

:32:21. > :32:28.before an IPP prisoner. He is not a dog. He is a family member, my

:32:29. > :32:32.brother, someone cares about him. He is not just there to be forgotten

:32:33. > :32:37.about. They are pushed further and further in the system and they are

:32:38. > :32:44.left to rot. And that is where the mental health issues become a

:32:45. > :32:51.problem. Neither of you say that they should not have been punished.

:32:52. > :33:00.James Coppinger IPP for ten months for setting fire to a mattress and

:33:01. > :33:06.that happens daily in prison stash James got an Heather Heyer.

:33:07. > :33:13.They need support, they are not animals. The same with his parole,

:33:14. > :33:16.it is not his behaviour holding him back, but the authority don't have

:33:17. > :33:22.the care plans in place for him to be released, he needs the care plans

:33:23. > :33:28.and the psychiatric report in place for him to be released. These were

:33:29. > :33:38.introduced because of public protection and he did plead guilty

:33:39. > :33:47.to a crime of STUDIO: Involving knives? -- a crime involving knives?

:33:48. > :33:53.I don't think where knives has come from, I don't know anything about

:33:54. > :33:55.that. The way you get put down the block, setting fire to the

:33:56. > :34:04.mattresses and pieces of paper, James did that, he was then released

:34:05. > :34:08.from the ABH and was given the IPP for the mattress fire, and the only

:34:09. > :34:12.thing that has occurred is for him being bullied, he can't cope and he

:34:13. > :34:17.sets fire to pieces of paper and he messes up the cell Annie refuses to

:34:18. > :34:23.come out of the cell. -- and he refuses. There are many people in

:34:24. > :34:27.prison on these. They were meant to affect a small number of people but

:34:28. > :34:33.have gone on to affect thousands of people. How come they have been used

:34:34. > :34:39.so widely? When they were introduced in 2005 there was no proper planning

:34:40. > :34:46.to resource the sentence and predict how many people would end up coming

:34:47. > :34:52.under it. What was planned for about 900 people, turned into several

:34:53. > :34:55.thousand inmates and what this meant was that there wasn't the offending

:34:56. > :35:01.behaviour programmes available in prisons. And also the parole board

:35:02. > :35:09.wasn't equipped to deal with this number of indeterminate sentences.

:35:10. > :35:13.How can you tell if someone is a threat to the public, in terms of

:35:14. > :35:15.sentencing? This is part of the problem, when the sentence was

:35:16. > :35:23.created it could be imposed on a very long list of offences either

:35:24. > :35:30.violent or sexual offences. What about this one here? James set fire

:35:31. > :35:39.to a mattress in a prison cell. Arson is one of these offences which

:35:40. > :35:42.can come under the remit of the IPP. There was a large range of offences

:35:43. > :35:46.which it could cover and also there was a mandatory element where the

:35:47. > :35:52.judge had to impose it if it had been a second offence which had been

:35:53. > :35:56.committed. All these elements came together to mean that a large number

:35:57. > :36:01.of people received the IPP far greater than had been predicted and

:36:02. > :36:08.the parole board faced rate difficulties trying to resource this

:36:09. > :36:12.-- great difficulties. A number of changes to legal judgments which

:36:13. > :36:16.further placed pressure on the caseload and it meant we had longer

:36:17. > :36:21.parole board delays and it results in the situation we have today where

:36:22. > :36:28.despite the sentence being abolished in 2012, we still have over 3000

:36:29. > :36:35.people in prison serving the IPP. John, you are a former prison

:36:36. > :36:38.governor, what of these IPPs? They are a disgrace, Ken Clarke said they

:36:39. > :36:43.are a stain on the criminal justice system and they remain so. Important

:36:44. > :36:47.point, this is the only sentence of its kind that is sentencing people

:36:48. > :36:54.to incarceration is not for what they have done, but for what they

:36:55. > :36:58.might do. The onus has been put on someone to prove they are innocent

:36:59. > :37:04.and that is wholly inappropriate. How do you prove when you are locked

:37:05. > :37:08.up 23 hours a day and in some cases in segregation, how do you prove

:37:09. > :37:13.that you are safe. The prison system should not be doing harm and with

:37:14. > :37:18.this sentence it clearly is, from the examples you are showing. Is it

:37:19. > :37:23.justified that anyone who is still in prison on one of these, bearing

:37:24. > :37:29.in mind they were scrapped from any future prisoners? They have been

:37:30. > :37:33.abolished and Nick Hardwick has given sensible proposals on how

:37:34. > :37:41.these people might be released. Certainly reversing the test whereby

:37:42. > :37:45.the prisoner proving that he or she is safe to be released, the onus

:37:46. > :37:52.should be on the state and that should be on the prison service.

:37:53. > :37:59.When David Blunkett brought these sentences in, he was relying on

:38:00. > :38:05.amongst many things offending behaviour courses and they are still

:38:06. > :38:11.around as being the universal panacea. You have spoken about the

:38:12. > :38:15.litmus test in terms of whether people are safe to be released, but

:38:16. > :38:20.as we have seen with sex offender courses, it can be unproven and it

:38:21. > :38:23.can make things worse and many of them are not suitable for many

:38:24. > :38:29.people, especially those who have got learning difficulties and mental

:38:30. > :38:32.health problems. Given that the sentence has been abolished, Ken

:38:33. > :38:37.Clarke said it is a stain on the criminal justice system, it is down

:38:38. > :38:41.to the Secretary of State for Justice to show political courage

:38:42. > :38:48.and do something about this. It is within his gift. Reference has been

:38:49. > :38:51.made to Michael Gove, he was in the process of making some of these

:38:52. > :38:59.political decisions but then he was sacked. We have had one minister

:39:00. > :39:03.after another. And we hear nothing at the moment, and it is about time

:39:04. > :39:09.that we did. Thank you all very much. We asked the Justice Secretary

:39:10. > :39:15.and the Parliamentary Undersecretary for prisons and probation to come on

:39:16. > :39:17.the programme. They said in a statement they are determined to

:39:18. > :39:38.address the challenge. Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom

:39:39. > :40:11.with a summary of today's news. The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

:40:12. > :40:14.has condemned far-right groups in response to the violence over

:40:15. > :40:18.the weekend in Virginia. A woman was killed and 19

:40:19. > :40:20.people were injured when a car was driven into a crowd

:40:21. > :40:23.protesting against a far-right rally Demonstrations and vigils

:40:24. > :40:26.have been held in cities The chairman of the Parole Board,

:40:27. > :40:30.Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

:40:31. > :40:32.of prisoners serving The sentence - known as Imprisonment

:40:33. > :40:36.for Public Protection - was abolished in 2012 but more

:40:37. > :40:38.than 3,000 people in England and Wales are still being held

:40:39. > :40:41.with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

:40:42. > :40:43.working to process these cases Arrests of passengers suspected

:40:44. > :40:47.of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen by 50%

:40:48. > :40:50.in the past year, according to an investigation

:40:51. > :40:51.carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

:40:52. > :40:54.a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

:40:55. > :40:56.and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

:40:57. > :41:00.they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

:41:01. > :41:02.with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

:41:03. > :41:05.dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

:41:06. > :41:07.Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

:41:08. > :41:09.of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

:41:10. > :41:11.repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

:41:12. > :41:21.is due in court later today. South Korea's President has urged

:41:22. > :41:24.both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

:41:25. > :41:26.in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There

:41:27. > :41:29.must be no more war His comments come after a week of

:41:30. > :41:33.ratcheting up of tensions by the US His comments come as China tightened

:41:34. > :41:37.sanctions on North Korea - banning several key industrial

:41:38. > :41:45.imports from the country. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:41:46. > :41:48.News - more at 10am. The Charity Commission has

:41:49. > :41:50.issued its first-ever "official warning" to a charity over the way

:41:51. > :41:56.it spends its money. The National Hereditary Breast

:41:57. > :42:00.Cancer Helpline has been spending as little as 3%

:42:01. > :42:03.of the money you give it on raising awareness

:42:04. > :42:05.and the helpline that it runs. The rest goes on things

:42:06. > :42:07.like management costs and overheads. The trustee who set up the charity

:42:08. > :42:10.has also paid herself ?31,000, The Charity Commission

:42:11. > :42:14.is a government body which registers There are more than 167,000

:42:15. > :42:21.individual charities in England and Wales,

:42:22. > :42:27.raising around ?73 billion a year. Let's speak to the BBC Radio

:42:28. > :42:30.Manchester's Kate West, who first Kate, tell us about this

:42:31. > :42:39.breast cancer helpline. The helpline was set up in the 90s

:42:40. > :42:41.by a campaign called Wendy Watson, the first woman in the UK to have a

:42:42. > :42:55.the first woman in the UK to have a pre-emptive double must -- Max

:42:56. > :42:57.She started a helpline after becoming the first woman

:42:58. > :43:00.in the UK to have a pre-emptive double mastectomy, like the one

:43:01. > :43:03.The surgery reduces your chances of getting breast cancer.

:43:04. > :43:06.The phone line is aimed at men and women who have a faulty gene

:43:07. > :43:09.that makes them more likely to develop breast cancer.

:43:10. > :43:11.In 2012 she started a charity to raise money for her helpline

:43:12. > :43:14.and was later awarded an MBE for her work.

:43:15. > :43:17.So why has this charity been given this official warning?

:43:18. > :43:18.The Charity Commission got involved after noticing

:43:19. > :43:27.that the charity behind the helpline was in financial difficulty.

:43:28. > :43:34.When you go through their accounts, like I've done, the amounts spent

:43:35. > :43:37.year on year are as little as 6%, 3.4% and just 2.8% of its donations

:43:38. > :43:40.The average charity spends 83%, so in comparison,

:43:41. > :43:45.When the charity commission first investigated the helpline

:43:46. > :43:51.they found they were poorly managing their finances

:43:52. > :43:56.and discovered that Watson had been paying herself from the charity

:43:57. > :44:04.And then when the commission went back a few months later,

:44:05. > :44:07.the finances were still out of control and even though Wendy had

:44:08. > :44:09.resigned as a trustee, she was still being paid.

:44:10. > :44:12.So that's why this charity has become the first to ever get

:44:13. > :44:21.What has the charity said about the investigation? We asked them for a

:44:22. > :44:23.statement and we have received a statement from the lawyers

:44:24. > :44:30.representing Wendy Watson and the charity. They said the payments made

:44:31. > :44:34.to her were in error and it said she also worked full-time for the

:44:35. > :44:39.charity as a volunteer since 2012 and they did not realise the

:44:40. > :44:44.payments were inappropriate, but when they realised, she resigned.

:44:45. > :44:48.They also said although she was played for three months at the end

:44:49. > :44:50.of last year, she has otherwise work full-time on a voluntary basis.

:44:51. > :44:54.Thanks for joining us. Let's talk now to Michelle Russell

:44:55. > :45:09.from the Charity Commission It's not unusual that charities get

:45:10. > :45:13.into financial distress. That's why we took the action that we did. We

:45:14. > :45:17.had a look at the accounts and saw the warning signs. That's why we

:45:18. > :45:21.tried to help early on by going to visit the charity and setting them

:45:22. > :45:26.an action plan. What did the charity do wrong, in your eyes? There are a

:45:27. > :45:30.number of things that went wrong, and it's not unusual for charities

:45:31. > :45:37.to make mistakes. I run by volunteers doing their best for the

:45:38. > :45:40.benefit of others. But actually there are a number of issues that we

:45:41. > :45:42.saw. Their business plan didn't work, they weren't making any money

:45:43. > :45:47.from their charity shops, they had got into a model with their

:45:48. > :45:51.finances, the loans from trustees were there, and they were paying

:45:52. > :45:56.money effectively to themselves, signing off their own expenditure.

:45:57. > :46:01.There were a number of issues where they got into a bit of a mess and

:46:02. > :46:08.needed help. Why can't you be paid as a trustee? If you think about

:46:09. > :46:13.charity and why we trust the public trust charities, it is based on the

:46:14. > :46:17.premise of volunteering and helping others. Also, in the role of a

:46:18. > :46:21.trustee, whose job it is to scrutinise what's going on by the

:46:22. > :46:25.employees, if you are paid as an employee that makes your job very

:46:26. > :46:29.difficult. That's why there are rules in place that say you

:46:30. > :46:34.shouldn't get paid as a trustee or be a paid employee and a trustee,

:46:35. > :46:39.without special permission. This charity didn't do it, and after we

:46:40. > :46:43.warned them that they needed to sort it out, they still didn't take the

:46:44. > :46:46.steps they needed to. That's why we took the action of giving them an

:46:47. > :46:51.official warning. What legal powers do you have, if you feel charities

:46:52. > :46:56.aren't carrying out their work in the way they should be? We've got a

:46:57. > :47:01.range of powers. Our role is to support charities by guidance and

:47:02. > :47:06.advice at one end. At the other end of things, we can launch an

:47:07. > :47:11.investigation and take quite serious powers. What we are talking about in

:47:12. > :47:19.this case is firm but fair action in the middle of that. So we aren't up

:47:20. > :47:23.at that quite invasive and web we passed giving guidance and advice.

:47:24. > :47:27.This is a warning that you need to sort out your house. And it's the

:47:28. > :47:32.first time you've ever given an official warning, tell us more about

:47:33. > :47:37.what that does mean. This is a new power that we went to Parliament to

:47:38. > :47:42.and asked for. We could see the gap between the lower end of support and

:47:43. > :47:47.the upper end of intervention. It is a power where we can warn the

:47:48. > :47:51.charity and the trustees that there has been some breaches and they need

:47:52. > :47:56.to act to take action to stop it going forward. It's for a limited

:47:57. > :48:01.period of time, and our support is still there for them while they've

:48:02. > :48:04.got this warning. It should be reassurance to the public that the

:48:05. > :48:08.regulator is there, watching what's going on, and it won't walk away.

:48:09. > :48:15.Said the charity is still running itself, what's time frame forward?

:48:16. > :48:20.We set its deadlines for us going back to make sure those things were

:48:21. > :48:23.wrong or they've made mistakes on were sorted out. We're really

:48:24. > :48:29.pleased some new trustees stepped forward and taking up the mantle, to

:48:30. > :48:34.use their heads to scrutinise what's going on. We don't want to lose the

:48:35. > :48:38.passion and enthusiasm that people have in volunteering for charities,

:48:39. > :48:42.particularly because sometimes it's for a cause close to their heart. We

:48:43. > :48:46.don't want to lose that, but we definitely need trustees who carry

:48:47. > :48:52.out a rewarding but responsible job. Thank you.

:48:53. > :48:54.Just to re-iterate what The National Hereditary Breast

:48:55. > :48:57.Cancer Helpline told us - they say Wendy Watson paying

:48:58. > :49:01.Her solicitors told the BBC she worked full time for the charity

:49:02. > :49:03.from August 2012 until now and that she was paid

:49:04. > :49:06.for her work for one year while she was also a trustee.

:49:07. > :49:09.They say neither Ms Watson or the charity were aware that this

:49:10. > :49:11.was inappropriate and Ms Watson immediately resigned as a trustee.

:49:12. > :49:18.And they say it's a well-used helpline.

:49:19. > :49:20.Next this morning - protests and vigils in support

:49:21. > :49:32.of Charlottesville have been held in many US cities.

:49:33. > :49:35.In Seattle on Sunday, police made arrests,

:49:36. > :49:37.deployed pepper spray and confiscated weapons

:49:38. > :49:38.as anti-fascist protesters approached a pro-Trump rally.

:49:39. > :49:41.Meanwhile President Trump has been facing criticism from both

:49:42. > :49:43.Republicans and Democrats for his response to the violence

:49:44. > :49:45.in Charlottesville which saw a woman killed and 19 others injured.

:49:46. > :49:48.The White House has said that the President did condemn

:49:49. > :49:50.violence by right-wing groups, when he criticised everyone involved

:49:51. > :49:57.Here's a look back at how events unfolded in Charlottesville

:49:58. > :50:13.which led to clashes resulting in three deaths.

:50:14. > :52:13.Go home. You are not wanted in this great Commonwealth. Shame on you.

:52:14. > :52:15.Overnight, the US Vice President Mike Pence has condemned

:52:16. > :52:17.what he describes as white supremacists "in the

:52:18. > :52:20.We have no tolerance for hate and violence

:52:21. > :52:27.from white supremacists, neo-Nazis and the KKK.

:52:28. > :52:32.These dangerous fringe groups have no place in American public life

:52:33. > :52:34.and the American public debate and we condemn them

:52:35. > :52:47.Marissa Blair, a friend of heather hair who was killed when a car was

:52:48. > :52:53.driven into a crowd has been speaking to our correspondent. She

:52:54. > :52:58.understood as a white woman the privilege that she may have had and

:52:59. > :53:05.she felt sorry for it. She was sorry that we had to go, minorities have

:53:06. > :53:12.to go through what they go through, and that's why she was out here. I

:53:13. > :53:17.was with her. We came with her, me and my fiance and another friend, we

:53:18. > :53:22.met at a parking barrage and we parked our cars. We were together

:53:23. > :53:29.all day long. When it happened, Heather was standing right in front

:53:30. > :53:33.of me. What did you see? We were marching and... There was a

:53:34. > :53:39.commotion at the front of the crowd. We thought, there was a commotion

:53:40. > :53:44.and someone was scuffling. You look up and use the bodies flying. It's a

:53:45. > :53:48.split-second decision and all you can think is to move, but it's

:53:49. > :53:54.coming so fast. All I could feel was someone pushing me. Then it was

:53:55. > :53:59.chaos. It was chaos, and the only thing I could think of was checking

:54:00. > :54:04.I didn't have any broken bones. I got up and started looking for

:54:05. > :54:15.markers. I new Courtney was OK. I found Marcus. Then we started

:54:16. > :54:21.looking for Heather. We never found Heather. 32 year Heather Heyer was

:54:22. > :54:28.in Charlottesville and Virginia when a car was driven into the crowd.

:54:29. > :54:31.Next Monday at noon, the famous bongs of Big Ben

:54:32. > :54:34.will sound for the final time until 2021, as the clock tower falls

:54:35. > :54:36.silent to undergo major renovation work which will safeguard it

:54:37. > :54:40.Members of the public have been invited to gather

:54:41. > :54:42.in Parliament Square at midday on Monday the 21st of August

:54:43. > :54:45.to mark the final sounding of the famous bell until 2021.

:54:46. > :54:48.We can go now to our correspondent Leila Nathoo who is on the roof

:54:49. > :54:59.This is a fantastic view from up on the Parliamentary roof terrace. I

:55:00. > :55:02.have to say it will be a very strange thing not to have those

:55:03. > :55:11.familiar and reassuring bonds every hour. It will feel very strange

:55:12. > :55:14.indeed. The bell of Big Ben is going to be silent about these renovations

:55:15. > :55:18.to take place. Its renovations on the clock as well as the tower

:55:19. > :55:30.itself. There will be strikes for New Year's Eve and Remembrance Day.

:55:31. > :55:35.Just tell us a bit about what is wrong with the clock and why it

:55:36. > :55:39.needs such work. Its 160 years old. It needs maintenance. It's a regular

:55:40. > :55:43.maintenance and we're going to be looking at a view things we have

:55:44. > :55:48.spotted that are starting to wear. Gears and the pendulum is one of our

:55:49. > :55:53.major concerns. Is the clock going to stop working? It will. We won't

:55:54. > :55:58.stop the clock until January this year, just the bells are stopping

:55:59. > :56:01.next Monday. We will still drive at least one of the dials so there will

:56:02. > :56:08.be a dialogue with the ball. So people will still be able to set

:56:09. > :56:13.their watches by Big Ben? Yes. This is part of wider work that is taking

:56:14. > :56:19.place on the tower itself. The bells are being silenced first to protect

:56:20. > :56:24.the workers. That's correct. As the scaffolding goes up, the bells will

:56:25. > :56:29.be silenced. Give us an idea of what needs to be done, why is it so

:56:30. > :56:33.important the renovation is carried out? It needs maintenance and we're

:56:34. > :56:38.going to start at the top with the reefs which leak. Then we'll work

:56:39. > :56:43.our way down. There's various problems with stonework, the bell

:56:44. > :56:47.frame, condensation inside. We'll also provide new amenities for the

:56:48. > :56:55.clock makers. We'll install AWC and kitchen up there. We are also going

:56:56. > :56:59.to put in a lift. There are several shafts that go up and a shaft at the

:57:00. > :57:02.back into which we can fit a lift which will help us to get emergency

:57:03. > :57:07.evacuation and people up there quicker. Thank you. These

:57:08. > :57:11.renovations will start soon after the bells stop. The scaffolding has

:57:12. > :57:16.already reached a certain height. The tower in the clock will be

:57:17. > :57:20.almost entirely obscured in the weeks to come. As you said, people

:57:21. > :57:24.are being asked to come to Parliament Square next Monday at

:57:25. > :57:32.noon to mark the final bell's tolling at midday. We've had some

:57:33. > :57:35.e-mails on IPPs, those prison sentences that mean people are still

:57:36. > :57:42.in jail sometime after the sentence was served. "We Sat watching your

:57:43. > :57:47.programme about James who is still in prison, he is obviously being

:57:48. > :57:52.abused in prison and is seriously unwell. It's a disgrace he hasn't

:57:53. > :57:56.been helped and is left to rot. It's like watching a prison horror movie,

:57:57. > :58:01.get in the help he needs. This is the first time we've ever e-mailed a

:58:02. > :58:03.TV programme, we feel so frustrated about this investigation".

:58:04. > :58:08.Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

:58:09. > :58:17.Good morning. We've had a variety of weather across the British Isles.

:58:18. > :58:21.Our Weather Watchers have sent us in some beautiful pictures. This is

:58:22. > :58:25.from Northern Ireland, it was wet overnight there. This one is from

:58:26. > :58:30.South Lanarkshire. Quite a murky start of the day with some rain. As

:58:31. > :58:34.we push into Norfolk, brighter start to the day. Some bits of blue sky

:58:35. > :58:39.coming through there. We had some heavy rain around, courtesy of this

:58:40. > :58:43.array of weather fronts, moving from west to east and drifting across the

:58:44. > :58:50.north-east as well, introducing that rain. On the radar you'll be able to

:58:51. > :58:53.see how much rain we've had as we've gone through the morning. Heavy rain

:58:54. > :58:56.in Northern Ireland and western Scotland, and we've had posters of

:58:57. > :59:00.heavy rain across parts of England and Wales. The whole lot moving

:59:01. > :59:04.eastwards, continuing to fragment. The further east you are, the

:59:05. > :59:08.brighter the skies. Just ahead of the weather front you'll notice the

:59:09. > :59:13.cloud building. Right behind the weather front more cloud around and

:59:14. > :59:17.also some coastal drizzle and drizzle on the hills as well. A new

:59:18. > :59:24.line of rain coming up. We could hit 25 degrees in parts of East Anglia

:59:25. > :59:28.and Kent. Here is the rain coming up across the Channel Islands, pouring

:59:29. > :59:34.up through central southern England. Patchy rain across south-west

:59:35. > :59:37.England and Wales. The northern England again some bright spells

:59:38. > :59:40.with showers moving towards the east. For Northern Ireland a mixture

:59:41. > :59:45.of bright spells, sunshine and showers. Some of them heavy and

:59:46. > :59:52.boundary. For Scotland the band of rain moving north-east, fragmenting.

:59:53. > :59:57.We should see highs of 20 degrees here. Down east coast, there will be

:59:58. > :00:01.spots of rain here and there. For many of us it will be dry. Through

:00:02. > :00:06.the evening and overnight, another band of rain moving in from the

:00:07. > :00:10.south-west. Some of this could be heavy and possibly thundery as well.

:00:11. > :00:16.In its wake there will be a lot of cloud and showers. It's not going to

:00:17. > :00:19.be a cold night, tomorrow morning we could see some thunderstorms coming

:00:20. > :00:25.out of the rain in the south-east. That leaves the way, as does the

:00:26. > :00:27.rain across north-east England and eastern Scotland, leaving sunshine

:00:28. > :00:31.and showers. Some of the shovels will be heavy, especially in the

:00:32. > :00:37.north. We could see that combination further south as well. Many of us

:00:38. > :00:43.will miss them all together and see some sunshine. Temperatures tomorrow

:00:44. > :00:45.could hit 26 in East Anglia and the south-east.

:00:46. > :00:47.Hello it's Monday, it's 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

:00:48. > :00:49.Drugged, kidnapped and told she would be auctioned

:00:50. > :00:54.We talk to the agent of model Chloe Ayling,

:00:55. > :01:00.who says she was abducted in Milan and held for six days.

:01:01. > :01:03.Urgent action is called for to free thousands of prisoners

:01:04. > :01:04.who are still inside serving indeterminate "Public

:01:05. > :01:08.Protection" sentences, years after they were abolished.

:01:09. > :01:10.The families of these prisoners have told this programme

:01:11. > :01:15.they fear for the safety of their relatives still inside.

:01:16. > :01:23.He's literally lost all hope - he's got nothing left -

:01:24. > :01:24.physically and emotionally he's drained.

:01:25. > :01:34.And 70 years ago 200 years of British colonial rule in India

:01:35. > :01:36.came to an end when the country was partitioned into

:01:37. > :01:39.Pakistan and India - hundreds of thousands of people

:01:40. > :01:45.were killed as violence erupted on both sides.

:01:46. > :01:48.Here's Rachel in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:49. > :01:52.The US Vice President, Mike Pence, has condemned far-right groups

:01:53. > :01:55.in response to the violence over the weekend in Virginia.

:01:56. > :01:57.A woman was killed and 19 people were injured

:01:58. > :02:00.when a car was driven into a crowd protesting against a far-right rally

:02:01. > :02:04.Demonstrations and vigils have been held in cities

:02:05. > :02:14.The chairman of the Parole Board Nick Hardwick says ministers "must

:02:15. > :02:16.act now" to address the backlog of prisoners serving

:02:17. > :02:27.The sentence - known as Imprisonment for Public Protection -

:02:28. > :02:29.was abolished in 2012 but more than 3,000 people in England

:02:30. > :02:32.and Wales are still being held with no release date.

:02:33. > :02:34.The Ministry of Justice says it's working to process these cases

:02:35. > :02:42.Arrests of passengers suspected of being drunk at UK airports

:02:43. > :02:46.and on flights have risen by 50% in the past year, according

:02:47. > :02:49.to an investigation carried out by Panorama.

:02:50. > :02:53.Critics of the airline industry say a voluntary code on alcohol

:02:54. > :02:55.sales isn't working, and want the government

:02:56. > :03:01.A spokesman for the Home Office said they will respond in due course.

:03:02. > :03:04.A man has been charged with the murder of a grandfather

:03:05. > :03:07.who was attacked as he walked his dogs in Norfolk.

:03:08. > :03:09.The body of 83-year-old Peter Wrighton was found

:03:10. > :03:12.in woodland near the village of East Harling last Saturday.

:03:13. > :03:18.Police say he had been repeatedly stabbed.

:03:19. > :03:53.Alexander Palmer, who's 23, is due in court later today.

:03:54. > :03:56.Security forces in Burkina Faso have killed two suspected jihadist gunmen

:03:57. > :03:58.after a terrorist attack in the capital.

:03:59. > :03:59.The country's communications minister says

:04:00. > :04:02.a number of hostages were trapped inside a restaurant after gunmen

:04:03. > :04:06.At least 18 people are believed to have been killed

:04:07. > :04:10.in the attack and another 8 were wounded.

:04:11. > :04:13.South Korea's President has urged both the US and North Korea to act

:04:14. > :04:16.reasonably and peacefully in the current nuclear stand off.

:04:17. > :04:18.Moon Jae-in said, "There must be no more war

:04:19. > :04:22.His comments come after a week of ratcheting up of tensions by the US

:04:23. > :04:31.China has tightened sanctions on North Korea -

:04:32. > :04:35.banning several key industrial imports from the country.

:04:36. > :04:39.And it is arguably one of the most distinctive sounds in the world.

:04:40. > :04:47.However, next Monday at midday Big Ben

:04:48. > :04:50.will chime for the final time until 2021 to allow repair work

:04:51. > :04:54.to take place on the clock in Elizabeth Tower.

:04:55. > :04:57.The bells will still ring out on Remembrance Sunday

:04:58. > :05:00.and at New Year but will otherwise fall silent for only

:05:01. > :05:13.That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:05:14. > :05:28.Britain won five medals in just over 24 hours to meet their medal target

:05:29. > :05:29.at the World Athletics Championships.

:05:30. > :05:37.Thanks mainly to four out of four in the relays.

:05:38. > :05:40.The women's 4 by 400 metres won a silver medal on the final night

:05:41. > :05:44.The seventh medal in seven championships in this event.

:05:45. > :05:47.With the men's quartet adding a bronze a few minutes later.

:05:48. > :05:50.Prior to the weekend the team had only picked up one medal.

:05:51. > :05:54.Coming back after the Olympic Games it is hard to follow that, but I

:05:55. > :05:57.think the team did so well, if you look across the board, the top eight

:05:58. > :06:01.finishes and so Moli people finishing in fourth and we hit the

:06:02. > :06:07.medal target last night -- so many people. There will be many people

:06:08. > :06:21.here featuring on the podium in Tokyo in 2020.

:06:22. > :06:23.Manchester United's new striker got their new Premier League season

:06:24. > :06:27.Romelu Lukaku scored twice on his home debut to give his team

:06:28. > :06:34.a 4-0 win over West Ham at Old Trafford.

:06:35. > :06:36.The 75 million signing scored one in each half.

:06:37. > :06:39.Paul Pogba then rounded off the victory to put

:06:40. > :06:41.United top after the first round of fixtures.

:06:42. > :06:43.Elsewhere Spurs also won their opening game.

:06:44. > :06:55.Meanwhile the world's most expensive player also made

:06:56. > :07:02.Neymar cost Paris Saint Germain ?200 million and scored

:07:03. > :07:03.in their 3-0l league win over Guingamp.

:07:04. > :07:13.He also set up one of the other goals.

:07:14. > :07:16.Cristiano Ronaldo helped Real Madrid to beat Barcelona in the first leg

:07:17. > :07:19.But that wasn't the half of it at Camp Nou.

:07:20. > :07:24.It cost him a yellow card for removing his shirt.

:07:25. > :07:26.Then later he was booked again for diving.

:07:27. > :07:32.And it might not be the end of the trouble either as Ronaldo

:07:33. > :07:34.pushed the referee in the back before leaving the pitch.

:07:35. > :07:44.Justin Thomas has become the eighth first time winner in the last nine

:07:45. > :07:46.golf majors after his victory at the US PGA Championship

:07:47. > :07:50.At one point in the final round five players had a share

:07:51. > :07:54.of the lead but Thomas sunk this one from 40 feet to establish a two shot

:07:55. > :07:58.The American hit six birdies in his 68 on Sunday.

:07:59. > :08:00.And he'll move up to sixth in the world rankings.

:08:01. > :08:04.This tournament has a special place in my heart, and I want to win every

:08:05. > :08:08.tournament, but this is really cool for me, to be my first one, to have

:08:09. > :08:12.my dad here, and my grandfather was watching at home, I was able to talk

:08:13. > :08:21.to him and that was pretty core macro. I know what you are thinking,

:08:22. > :08:25.that trophy is absolutely massive -- that was pretty cool. Thanks for

:08:26. > :08:28.joining us. Prime Minister Theresa May returns

:08:29. > :08:31.to work after her walking holiday this week, just as two leading

:08:32. > :08:34.cabinet ministers have declared the UK will need a transition

:08:35. > :08:36.period to help businesses Liam Fox, the international trade

:08:37. > :08:39.secretary, and Philip Hammond, the chancellor, made the declaration

:08:40. > :08:41.in a joint article for the Sunday Telegraph intended

:08:42. > :08:43.to quash speculation that the cabinet is divided over

:08:44. > :08:46.how to implement Brexit and what will happen

:08:47. > :08:47.during the transitional period. The Prime Minister's summer holiday

:08:48. > :08:50.has been plagued by Tory rows over Over the next ten days,

:08:51. > :08:57.ministers will also publish papers on Britain's Brexit plans covering

:08:58. > :08:59.the Irish border, the customs union, But does this joint article show

:09:00. > :09:05.a genuine platform for progress? Joining us now, Owen Jones,

:09:06. > :09:10.a columnist for The Guardian who believes there is no unity

:09:11. > :09:13.within the Conservative Party. And Jo-Anne Nadler,

:09:14. > :09:17.a political journalist and communications consultant,

:09:18. > :09:19.who worked as a senior Conservative press officer

:09:20. > :09:21.during the John Major years. She thinks this was the right

:09:22. > :09:37.moment for Liam Fox What we are hearing from them is

:09:38. > :09:41.that there will be no staying in the customs union but there will be a

:09:42. > :09:45.transition period, is this a position that the party can get

:09:46. > :09:50.behind? I think so, they have got to get hide it. To a certain extent

:09:51. > :09:56.this is a PR move -- they have got to get behind it. We have heard so

:09:57. > :10:01.many noises off and so much squabbling that it has obscured the

:10:02. > :10:04.essential direction of travel towards leaving the single market

:10:05. > :10:07.and the customs union, it has been very important that these ministers

:10:08. > :10:11.who represent different sides of the argument come together at this

:10:12. > :10:16.point, partly to reassure their own party and also the country and

:10:17. > :10:22.business essentially, that they will work together to this end. What do

:10:23. > :10:28.you think? Is this a position that Labour can get around? No sooner had

:10:29. > :10:31.the article being published in the Daily Telegraph, a Tory minister

:10:32. > :10:37.said the pact wouldn't last and that Philip Hammond had contempt for lame

:10:38. > :10:43.Fox, the Tory party is riven with division -- Liam Fox. David Davis

:10:44. > :10:48.called Boris Johnson a failure and there were Tory MPs threatening to

:10:49. > :11:02.kick each other in various pieces of anatomy. Philip Hammond repeatedly

:11:03. > :11:08.briefed against. Anna Super -- Soubry now talking about leaving the

:11:09. > :11:11.party. It is easy for my position, someone who supports the Labour

:11:12. > :11:16.Party and it is for me to have a partisan enjoyment in the Tories

:11:17. > :11:21.ripping themselves to shreds, but Chris Patten said the disastrous

:11:22. > :11:28.decisions have left the country in a terrible mess and already because we

:11:29. > :11:32.have the referendum to Sage the internal divisions of the Tory

:11:33. > :11:37.party, and we have the snap general election to destroy the Labour

:11:38. > :11:40.Party, but these internal divisions within the Conservative Party have

:11:41. > :11:45.left this country a laughing stock in Europe and that is my fear, that

:11:46. > :11:51.we don't have a united government, we have a Prime Minister without

:11:52. > :11:57.authority and Brexit negotiations have not even begun. What you think

:11:58. > :12:04.about Soubry saying she is thinking about joining another party? That is

:12:05. > :12:08.not that surprising, there are some people in the Conservative Party who

:12:09. > :12:17.are passionately in favour of Remain and they can argue their case as

:12:18. > :12:20.they wish, but they do not represent a minority within the Conservative

:12:21. > :12:25.Party and they don't represent the majority in the party. The majority

:12:26. > :12:29.voted to leave the European Union, and an essential part of that is to

:12:30. > :12:32.leave the single market and the customs union, so that Britain can

:12:33. > :12:38.be more competitive and forge a more successful economic future for

:12:39. > :12:44.itself but also a more successful economy than we are seeing in Europe

:12:45. > :12:46.and that is the point. It would be difficult for MPs to force a

:12:47. > :12:51.position where the government doesn't come out completely when

:12:52. > :12:56.there are enough numbers of MPs who want a position where we stay in the

:12:57. > :13:01.single market and the customs union? What has happened, because of the

:13:02. > :13:07.squabbling, and some of this is over important points of policy, and some

:13:08. > :13:09.of it is personal, as Owen indicated, but we have got

:13:10. > :13:17.distracted from what the government needs to do which is make the case

:13:18. > :13:23.again, and Remainers have been effective arguing their case since

:13:24. > :13:30.the result, almost putting down the result but rich a million more

:13:31. > :13:36.people voted for. -- at which. We haven't on the Leave side being

:13:37. > :13:42.clear about the advantage and we haven't been clear about the fact

:13:43. > :13:51.that this can be a great thing for Britain. Our correspondent is

:13:52. > :13:55.joining us from Westminster, is the joint positioning going to put a lid

:13:56. > :14:03.on everything? Is this a sign of a new unity? For now, yes, this is

:14:04. > :14:06.seen as a attempt to show unity because there has been so much

:14:07. > :14:10.speculation and squabbling while Theresa May has been on holiday, and

:14:11. > :14:16.this is an attempt to bring together the two sides of the Cabinet, Liam

:14:17. > :14:19.Fox, in favour Brexit, and Philip Hammond who is in favour of a soft

:14:20. > :14:24.approach for the both of them have said that the government does not

:14:25. > :14:29.want a cliff edge when we leave the EU in 2019 and they spoke about the

:14:30. > :14:33.agreement and the need for a transitional deal but they have said

:14:34. > :14:36.it must be time limited. As to whether it will end the speculation,

:14:37. > :14:41.I think they will be some bubbling around for while but this is a

:14:42. > :14:44.moment of unity ahead of Theresa May returning from holiday this week.

:14:45. > :14:52.She has been enjoying three weeks in Italy. She is coming back sometime

:14:53. > :14:57.this week. Thank you. David Miliband has been speaking this weekend. He

:14:58. > :15:06.has said there must be a vote on a Brexit deal to allow the country to

:15:07. > :15:10.potentially reject Brexit and stay in the EU, but the Labour position

:15:11. > :15:14.is all over the place as well. The position of Labour is that they have

:15:15. > :15:18.got to find a way of clearing up the mess caused by the Conservative

:15:19. > :15:23.Party, there was a decision by David Cameron to have a referendum and

:15:24. > :15:27.they waged a disastrous campaign and they lost and now the country is in

:15:28. > :15:33.a mess. We are where we are, though. Yes, I campaigned for Remain but we

:15:34. > :15:38.lost the referendum and now it is about what kind of Brexit we have,

:15:39. > :15:45.and my fear is if you start saying at this stage that Brexit needs to

:15:46. > :15:48.be overturned, then people who voted Leave will regard this as

:15:49. > :15:53.contemptuous of their democratic position and many people who voted

:15:54. > :15:58.Remain accept the decision and want to find the best possible way, but

:15:59. > :16:02.my fear regarding David Miliband, I think it is up for grabs as to

:16:03. > :16:05.whether we stay in the single market, I would prefer that, even

:16:06. > :16:08.though there are problems because the danger is we end up with the

:16:09. > :16:13.worst of both worlds where we have do accept EU laws but we can't

:16:14. > :16:17.contribute to them, but if we crashed out of the customs union the

:16:18. > :16:24.economic damage could be considerable and hurt a lot of

:16:25. > :16:28.people. A lot of people said this on Twitter all the time, it was only

:16:29. > :16:33.advisory, the referendum, but that would cause uproar, however, to call

:16:34. > :16:36.for a second referendum at this point, before there has been a big

:16:37. > :16:41.backlash, I think many people will find that contemptuous of their

:16:42. > :16:45.democratic decision and it means those of us who want to soft Brexit

:16:46. > :16:55.will walk off the pitch and leave the hard Brexit motion to decide

:16:56. > :16:59.what kind of Brexit we have -- the hard Brexit throw.

:17:00. > :17:02.David Davis has said that the MPs are there to exercise judgment --

:17:03. > :17:17.David Miliband. He has said let's have another

:17:18. > :17:23.election now, because we didn't do too well to three months ago, it's

:17:24. > :17:28.like that. The decision was taken. The real question now is what other

:17:29. > :17:37.policies that are going to underpin the way we carry out Brexit. On that

:17:38. > :17:42.point, I think we can agree. There's been an awful lot of destruction

:17:43. > :17:45.because of, sometimes personality clashes but sometimes genuine issues

:17:46. > :17:48.over policy differences in the Conservative Party. What happened

:17:49. > :17:54.this week is these two ministers have come together to say we need to

:17:55. > :17:59.pull together and give Theresa May her head. She's coming back this

:18:00. > :18:04.week, she's going to make a big policy statement, we are going to

:18:05. > :18:09.look at various of Brexit, like how we will manage outside the customs

:18:10. > :18:13.union, what's going to happen with the border inside Ireland for

:18:14. > :18:21.instance. Those kind of policies, they need to be scrutinised. The

:18:22. > :18:25.danger with the Tory Brexit is not only are we going to crash out of

:18:26. > :18:31.the single market, but we may end up with no deal whatsoever. That's not

:18:32. > :18:38.a Tory Brexit. Your party are going to have to own this, I can assure

:18:39. > :18:41.you. We'll end up with tariffs imposed on our goods which will

:18:42. > :18:44.cause potentially enormous damage to the British economy. Wages are

:18:45. > :18:49.already falling in this country all over again. The danger is that with

:18:50. > :18:53.that sort of Brexit, it will hit the living standards of those who voted

:18:54. > :18:57.to leave incidentally and jobs. We've got this compromise position

:18:58. > :19:02.outlined this weekend, in spite of all the divisions you are talking

:19:03. > :19:06.about, is it something MPs could unite around? Frankly there is a lot

:19:07. > :19:11.of detail that could be delineated and hasn't yet been so. As a

:19:12. > :19:14.statement of we need to pull together, it is significant in that

:19:15. > :19:18.regard. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to scrutinise the

:19:19. > :19:23.detail within that. How long will this transition period B and what's

:19:24. > :19:27.at the end of the transition period? We haven't yet heard what the vision

:19:28. > :19:34.is for the end of the transition period. The Tory infighting has

:19:35. > :19:39.become before the difficulties of the negotiations have got underway.

:19:40. > :19:44.That is why the Telegraph have been briefed that this pact isn't going

:19:45. > :19:49.to last. I do think the Telegraph just invented it, give them some

:19:50. > :19:53.respect. The truth is, Philip Hammond, David Davis, Liam Fox,

:19:54. > :19:56.Theresa May, they are all fundamentally in quite different

:19:57. > :20:04.places. Philip Hammond earlier in the summer was arguing for a soft

:20:05. > :20:09.Brexit and to have... I don't think fundamentally that has happened and

:20:10. > :20:13.when Brexit negotiations happen and we start suffering genuine economic

:20:14. > :20:18.problems and turmoil and turbulence, and our position in Europe which is

:20:19. > :20:24.weak... Like vast swathes of the continent. The reason a lot of

:20:25. > :20:28.people voted to leave... EU diplomats regard our country as a

:20:29. > :20:29.bit of a laughing stock at the moment. Great to have you in, thank

:20:30. > :20:40.you. Across the UK, arrests of airline

:20:41. > :20:44.passengers suspected of being drunk have risen by 50% in the last year.

:20:45. > :20:47.Those in the industry are calling on the government to do more.

:20:48. > :20:48.The Metropolitan Police are giving head mounted cameras

:20:49. > :20:53.The cameras are being issued to all Armed Response Units to wear

:20:54. > :20:54.on their baseball caps and ballistic helmets.

:20:55. > :20:56.The Met's already rolled out over 17,000 bodycams

:20:57. > :20:59.to officers across the force, but there have been issues finding

:21:00. > :21:00.an operationally suitable camera for firearms officers.

:21:01. > :21:03.It's hoped the presence of cameras will help address concerns over

:21:04. > :21:05.the transparency of operations involving armed officers,

:21:06. > :21:12.such as the shootings of Mark Duggan and Jermaine Baker.

:21:13. > :21:23.Martin Harding is a former superintendent and firearms officer

:21:24. > :21:36.with Greater Manchester Police. Nick Howe, a former firearms

:21:37. > :21:46.commander and now a criminologist This reinforces the commitment of

:21:47. > :21:50.the police service. As a largely an armed police service, we do police

:21:51. > :21:55.with the consensus of the community and we must do everything we can to

:21:56. > :22:00.retain that consent. What is your perspective? I think Martin's view

:22:01. > :22:04.is spot on. It's all about transparency and I think police

:22:05. > :22:08.officers have got far more to gain and benefit from the transparency of

:22:09. > :22:13.evidence recorded by video cameras. Why do you think it's taken so long?

:22:14. > :22:20.We talked about technical issues but there are other operational

:22:21. > :22:25.considerations to take into account. First of all, why has it taken so

:22:26. > :22:29.long. It's only in the last 8-9 years in small pilots that body

:22:30. > :22:35.cameras have been used as a credible form of evidence gathering. It was

:22:36. > :22:40.only as far ago as 2014 that the Met started to roll it out more fully

:22:41. > :22:45.based upon the trials elsewhere in the country. It is still relatively

:22:46. > :22:52.recent technology. In terms firearms officers, the difficulty was the

:22:53. > :22:55.technology was generally worn on the upper chest and shoulder area. When

:22:56. > :22:59.firearms officers bring their firearms up to the ready, that was

:23:00. > :23:04.masking some of the imagery and the quality of what they could record at

:23:05. > :23:12.the time. As technology has moved on, it's more by stealth than

:23:13. > :23:17.revolution. These developments are incremental. They have experimented

:23:18. > :23:23.with head worn cameras which gives a far better panoramic view of what

:23:24. > :23:28.they are dealing with at the time. Martin, there is research from

:23:29. > :23:33.Cambridge University that shows officers who are wearing body

:23:34. > :23:40.cameras get 93% fewer complaints from the public. Would you expect it

:23:41. > :23:44.to be a similar result when the head cameras come in? When you're talking

:23:45. > :23:50.about firearms officers it something entirely different. The operational

:23:51. > :23:54.officers have got 93% ratings from the public. In the last year there

:23:55. > :24:02.were 16,000 deployments of armed officers to incidents, in those

:24:03. > :24:06.deployments firearms were only discharged ten times. I think

:24:07. > :24:10.firearms officers by and large have the confidence and support of the

:24:11. > :24:16.public. They are very well trained in what they do. How will they feel

:24:17. > :24:22.about having them? I think there has got to be a confidence issue with

:24:23. > :24:25.firearms officers themselves. Of all they are volunteers to carry out

:24:26. > :24:30.that role. Now they are placing themselves in a position where they

:24:31. > :24:34.are making decisions in split seconds. Those decisions can now be

:24:35. > :24:38.replayed over and over and over again in a court of law. So they

:24:39. > :24:43.need the confidence that the equipment will truly portray what

:24:44. > :24:49.took place and support their decision-making. It is possible that

:24:50. > :24:52.sometimes people might make wrong decisions but if you look at the

:24:53. > :24:57.numbers of times officers have discharged weapons, I've got

:24:58. > :25:02.confidence they do the right things. Where would the risk be in the

:25:03. > :25:06.footage not giving a clear image of what happened? The risk is that they

:25:07. > :25:10.have a split second to make a decision. At the time they make that

:25:11. > :25:15.decision, there is noise, there's confusion, there's testosterone,

:25:16. > :25:21.there is fear. They see an incident that only they might see from their

:25:22. > :25:24.position. Bear in mind there are numerous officers attending a scene.

:25:25. > :25:29.Numerous angles to view a situation. They might see something their

:25:30. > :25:33.colleagues haven't seen. When they take that decision to shoot, and

:25:34. > :25:39.it's a decision which remains purely there is, they need to be sure that

:25:40. > :25:44.when it goes to court, or they need the confidence that when it goes to

:25:45. > :25:47.court, if that decision isn't supported by the evidence, the

:25:48. > :25:51.implications are absolutely horrendous in terms of loss of

:25:52. > :25:59.liberty, loss of career, loss of life. The implications pulling the

:26:00. > :26:05.trigger massive. All the actions and decision-making will be captured on

:26:06. > :26:12.camera. Nick, how much pressure is put on firearms officers who, as you

:26:13. > :26:18.say, volunteered to be armed, how much pressure is on them when they

:26:19. > :26:21.think about the scrutiny and having to replay an event that has to

:26:22. > :26:25.happen in a split second? I think they do but they've also got to have

:26:26. > :26:30.faith and confidence in the training that they get over a period of time.

:26:31. > :26:34.It's a graduated process before they actually get to the front line in

:26:35. > :26:38.these situations. I've got a great deal of confidence in the training

:26:39. > :26:42.and support they get within the firearms community and the broader

:26:43. > :26:48.police community. Going back to one of your earlier question is,

:26:49. > :26:52.speaking to officers in recent times regarding this development, I think

:26:53. > :26:58.the concern isn't so much upon the added pressure or the transparency

:26:59. > :27:01.of evidence as it may come out on the day, but there is an underlying

:27:02. > :27:07.fear that potentially the capturing by video of police tactics somehow

:27:08. > :27:11.will enhance the challenges presented to them by the criminal

:27:12. > :27:15.community. I actually don't agree with that particular view, but there

:27:16. > :27:21.is a concern among some officers that may be the visibility of their

:27:22. > :27:27.tactics may somehow give away their operational advantage. Martin, what

:27:28. > :27:34.about the perspective of the public? Will this be a reassuring step? I

:27:35. > :27:38.think so. Every time there is a weapon discharged there are

:27:39. > :27:43.questions from all parties. From the police service, the IPCC, and the

:27:44. > :27:46.families are people who have been shot. This will go a long way to

:27:47. > :27:50.being able to answer those questions. I think in lots of cases,

:27:51. > :27:55.it will totally vindicate the decision of the officer who made the

:27:56. > :28:01.decision, and show their decision was right. Going back to the point

:28:02. > :28:06.earlier that Nick made about tactics given out in court, I think we've

:28:07. > :28:12.got a long history of being able to give sensitive evidence in court

:28:13. > :28:16.proceedings. Where tactics might be given out, I'm sure that the court

:28:17. > :28:21.will allow certain evidence to be heard in secret, so that we get best

:28:22. > :28:29.evidence, and we get to the truth of what actually took place. Thank you.

:28:30. > :28:34.Still to come. 70 years ago India was partitioned and ended British

:28:35. > :28:38.colonial rule. We are talking to families whose lives were affected

:28:39. > :28:43.and their stories of what it meant and still means for them today.

:28:44. > :28:53.We will talk to space journalist and author Sarah Cruddas. About the

:28:54. > :28:57.Cassini space probe. With the news, here's Rachel

:28:58. > :29:00.in the BBC Newsroom. The US Vice President, Mike Pence,

:29:01. > :29:02.has condemned far-right groups in response to the violence over

:29:03. > :29:05.the weekend in Virginia. A woman was killed and 19

:29:06. > :29:07.people were injured when a car was driven into a crowd

:29:08. > :29:10.protesting against a far-right rally Demonstrations and vigils

:29:11. > :29:13.have been held in cities The chairman of the Parole Board,

:29:14. > :29:22.Nick Hardwick says ministers "must act now" to address the backlog

:29:23. > :29:24.of prisoners serving The sentence - known as Imprisonment

:29:25. > :29:33.for Public Protection - was abolished in 2012 but more

:29:34. > :29:36.than 3,000 people in England and Wales are still being held

:29:37. > :29:38.with no release date. The Ministry of Justice says it's

:29:39. > :29:41.working to process these cases Arrests of passengers suspected

:29:42. > :29:48.of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen by 50%

:29:49. > :29:51.in the past year, according to an investigation

:29:52. > :29:58.carried out by Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

:29:59. > :30:00.a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

:30:01. > :30:02.and want the government A spokesman for the Home Office said

:30:03. > :30:13.they will respond in due course. A man has been charged

:30:14. > :30:19.with the murder of a grandfather who was attacked as he walked his

:30:20. > :30:26.dogs in Norfolk. The body of 83-year-old

:30:27. > :30:27.Peter Wrighton was found in woodland near the village

:30:28. > :30:30.of East Harling last Saturday. Police say he had been

:30:31. > :30:31.repeatedly stabbed. Alexander Palmer, who's 23,

:30:32. > :30:43.is due in court later today. Security forces in Burkina Faso have

:30:44. > :30:46.killed two suspected jihadist gunmen after a terrorist attack

:30:47. > :30:51.in the capital. At least eighteen people

:30:52. > :30:53.are believed to have been killed in the attack and another

:30:54. > :30:58.8 were wounded. The dead and injured were from

:30:59. > :31:02.several countries. South Korea's President has urged

:31:03. > :31:05.both the US and North Korea to act reasonably and peacefully

:31:06. > :31:07.in the current nuclear stand off. Moon Jae-in said, "There

:31:08. > :31:09.must be no more war His comments come after a week of

:31:10. > :31:16.ratcheting up of tensions by the US China has tightened

:31:17. > :31:23.sanctions on North Korea - banning several key industrial

:31:24. > :31:26.imports from the country. And - It is arguably one of the most

:31:27. > :31:30.distinctive sounds in the world. However, next Monday

:31:31. > :31:37.at midday Big Ben will chime for the final time

:31:38. > :31:39.until 2021 to allow repair work to take place on the clock

:31:40. > :31:42.in Elizabeth Tower. The bells will still ring out

:31:43. > :31:44.on Remembrance Sunday and at New Year but will otherwise

:31:45. > :31:46.fall silent for only That's a summary of

:31:47. > :32:04.the latest BBC News. That's a summary of the latest news,

:32:05. > :32:07.join me for BBC Newsroom Britain won five medals in just over

:32:08. > :32:16.24 hours to meet their medal target at the World Athletics

:32:17. > :32:17.Championships. Thanks to four out

:32:18. > :32:21.of four in the relays. The women's 4 by 400

:32:22. > :32:31.metres won a silver medal. And the men won a bronze afterwards.

:32:32. > :32:35.Manchester United are top of the Premier League at a time when it

:32:36. > :32:41.doesn't really matter, but someone has to be. Romelu Lukaku scoring

:32:42. > :32:53.twice in the 4-0 victory over West Ham. Tottenham were also victorious

:32:54. > :32:58.2-0 over Newcastle. Cristiano Ronaldo scored but was sent off and

:32:59. > :33:02.could be in trouble after seemingly pushing the referee in the Spanish

:33:03. > :33:07.super cup first leg against Barcelona. And Justin Thomas claimed

:33:08. > :33:13.the US PGA trophy in America. Arrests of passengers suspected

:33:14. > :33:19.of being drunk at UK airports and on flights have risen

:33:20. > :33:22.by 50% in the past year, according to an investigation

:33:23. > :33:24.carried out by BBC Panorama. Critics of the airline industry say

:33:25. > :33:27.a voluntary code on alcohol sales isn't working,

:33:28. > :33:28.and want the government Where in the UK can you buy alcohol

:33:29. > :33:37.at 4am seven days a week? The answer is at an

:33:38. > :33:41.international airport. And it seems that it's leaving

:33:42. > :33:47.passengers and crew with a hangover. An investigation by BBC Panorama has

:33:48. > :33:51.revealed that arrests of those suspected of being drunk at UK

:33:52. > :33:55.airports and on flights have risen Half of the 4,000 cabin crew

:33:56. > :34:03.who took part in a survey carried out by Panorama and Unite,

:34:04. > :34:13.the union, said they had either experienced or witnessed verbal,

:34:14. > :34:15.physical, or sexual abuse People just see us as

:34:16. > :34:21.barmaids in the sky. They would touch your breasts, or

:34:22. > :34:24.they'd touch your bum or your legs. I mean, I've had hands

:34:25. > :34:27.going up my skirt before. Phil Ward, the managing director

:34:28. > :34:30.of low-cost airline, Jet2, has already banned alcohol sales

:34:31. > :34:34.on flights before 8am, and wants the industry

:34:35. > :34:36.to take tougher measures. Do you think airports

:34:37. > :34:38.are doing enough? I think the retailers

:34:39. > :34:45.could do more as well. Two litre steins of beer in bars,

:34:46. > :34:49.mixers and miniatures in duty-free shops, which can only be

:34:50. > :34:51.there for one reason. But the Airport Operators

:34:52. > :34:54.Association insists that their code I don't accept that the airports

:34:55. > :35:01.don't sell alcohol responsibly. The sale of alcohol

:35:02. > :35:07.per se is not a problem. It's the misuse of it and drinking

:35:08. > :35:11.to excess and then behaving badly. Earlier this year, a House of Lords

:35:12. > :35:14.committee called for airport licensing to be brought into line

:35:15. > :35:18.with pubs and bars. A government decision

:35:19. > :35:21.on whether to call time on early-morning drinking

:35:22. > :35:22.at airports is now And Panorama investigates

:35:23. > :35:35.the growing numbers of British passengers flying drunk tonight

:35:36. > :35:40.at 830pm on BBC One. 70 years ago tonight,

:35:41. > :35:44.200 years of British colonial rule in India came to an end

:35:45. > :35:47.and the country was partitioned into two independent nation states:

:35:48. > :35:52.Hindu-majority India It led to one of the largest mass

:35:53. > :36:01.migrations ever recorded with an estimated 12 million people

:36:02. > :36:04.on the move: Muslims journeyed While Hindus and Sikhs headed

:36:05. > :36:17.in the opposite direction. Communities that had co-existed

:36:18. > :36:19.for centuries succumbed Hundreds of thousands

:36:20. > :36:22.were killed, tens of thousands of women abducted -

:36:23. > :36:23.on all sides. India and Pakistan became

:36:24. > :36:26.independent at the same moment - at midnight as August 14th 1947 gave

:36:27. > :36:29.way to August 15th. Pakistan now celebrates

:36:30. > :36:31.its independence day on August 14th Former cricketer and Pakistani

:36:32. > :36:36.politician Imran Khan spoke to the BBC's Inzy Rashid -

:36:37. > :36:39.he says the situation between India and Pakistan

:36:40. > :36:46.is the "worst it's ever been". Partition was five years

:36:47. > :36:49.old when I was born so I vividly remember the trauma

:36:50. > :36:55.of the partition. Trauma suffered by the people

:36:56. > :37:00.all around us and we grew up with this hatred,

:37:01. > :37:21.there was this hatred against India. When you were playing cricket

:37:22. > :37:26.against India, what were the crowds like? The crowds were so passionate

:37:27. > :37:34.about you beating India and they forced the players to really play...

:37:35. > :37:37.It almost transcended it, as if it was no longer a cricket game, it was

:37:38. > :37:43.more than a cricket game when you played India and that was forced by

:37:44. > :37:53.the crowds. Did it ever get to a point where it turned violent? In

:37:54. > :37:55.1987 the crowds were hostile. I remember playing a Test match and it

:37:56. > :38:02.wasn't very pleasant because normally you expect rivalry and

:38:03. > :38:08.passion in the crowd but you don't expect them to be throwing stones at

:38:09. > :38:15.fielders standing on the boundary. I remember hostility and that was a

:38:16. > :38:22.surprise. Looking at the situation right now.

:38:23. > :38:28.Can you tell the people back in the UK what the situation is?

:38:29. > :38:30.The current situation is probably the worst it has been

:38:31. > :38:37.The main reason is because India has a Prime Minister who has not risen

:38:38. > :38:43.above what his communal thinking, his association with Hindu

:38:44. > :38:45.extremists, his background where this was this massacre

:38:46. > :38:50.in Gujarat of Muslims when he was the chief minister.

:38:51. > :38:54.Somehow we expected that when Narendra Modi would become

:38:55. > :39:00.the Prime Minister he would rise above this.

:39:01. > :39:04.But I have to say we are all so disappointed because Narendra Modi

:39:05. > :39:05.has not just disappointed Pakistanis, he has

:39:06. > :39:10.If we take the situation that is now then and we translate that

:39:11. > :39:14.There's British Indians and British Pakistanis

:39:15. > :39:17.who are probably hearing stories from both sides, how do you think

:39:18. > :39:24.The British Indian Pakistani society has power because they have

:39:25. > :39:32.resources, they are rich, they are influential.

:39:33. > :39:34.They are the ones that should force, especially

:39:35. > :39:36.someone like Narendra Modi, to move towards peace.

:39:37. > :39:39.But do you feel there's maybe a lack of education,

:39:40. > :39:41.a lack of understanding of exactly what the situation

:39:42. > :39:47.is like, even back to 1947, of how that developed?

:39:48. > :39:49.In the curriculum, there should be an attempt by the British

:39:50. > :39:52.authorities to make people understand what exactly

:39:53. > :40:05.And if they understand that, they will understand the genesis of this

:40:06. > :40:09.animosity between the countries. 70 years, it is a celebration, and how

:40:10. > :40:13.much of a special occasion is this? Very special occasion, and you will

:40:14. > :40:19.see that when you go out on the streets. People come out and

:40:20. > :40:26.celebrate. There is this desire in the people that they want to

:40:27. > :40:29.celebrate a Pakistan that it should have been and it hasn't been. Imran

:40:30. > :40:37.Khan, talking about partition. Many British Asians

:40:38. > :40:39.have a connection to the partition in some way -

:40:40. > :40:41.but how has it affected different generations who have lived

:40:42. > :40:43.through it firsthand, He was educated in Pakistan and says

:40:44. > :40:49.the way they were taught about partition was very different

:40:50. > :40:51.to the experiences of his grandparents who were

:40:52. > :40:53.affected directly by it. Daya Rani Chuhb, who is 88

:40:54. > :40:55.years-old, joins us from New Delhi She and her husband were forced

:40:56. > :41:00.to move from their home Also here is Sabeena Akhtar

:41:01. > :41:06.and her daughter Summayah Muhammad. Summayah recently went to India

:41:07. > :41:08.to find her great-grandmother's old home that she was forced out

:41:09. > :41:20.of during the partition. Welcome. You were 18 when the

:41:21. > :41:28.partition happened, you were engaged, what happened to you and

:41:29. > :41:42.your fiance? Good morning. When we got engaged... My husband was doing

:41:43. > :41:46.work in what is now Bangladesh, my parents were there, and there was so

:41:47. > :42:08.much tension. The whole night we couldn't sleep.

:42:09. > :42:20.We had men guarding our house to protect us and we were so worried,

:42:21. > :42:35.any time they could make riot. Normally we celebrate. But we are

:42:36. > :42:39.afraid. We were so scared. We thought people would come and take

:42:40. > :42:44.us away from our home and take our things away. We were scared, very

:42:45. > :42:55.much scared. What was it like living through that? Everything that you

:42:56. > :42:59.knew, it was turned upside down. Your life was turned upside down,

:43:00. > :43:08.what was it like? Very upsetting, we did not know where to do and where

:43:09. > :43:17.to go. One of my elder sisters was there in Bangladesh. Their brothers

:43:18. > :43:34.came over, left everything behind. You can go back. INAUDIBLE

:43:35. > :43:44.Only 100-200 people could go. Some were coming and we were so scared.

:43:45. > :43:54.So we decided to leave our house, family, everything behind, with my

:43:55. > :44:02.parents and my father stayed back. My father decided to stay in

:44:03. > :44:07.Pakistan and he gave me the name of and that I would be a Pakistan

:44:08. > :44:15.citizen. I would have a good job there. Look after my family. He

:44:16. > :44:38.stayed back. INAUDIBLE How much has this... It has totally

:44:39. > :44:47.schedule family, how much is it talked about? -- shaped your family.

:44:48. > :44:54.What I have been through and what our family has been through, it is

:44:55. > :45:06.like a dream. We still go to the old house and dream of the old house.

:45:07. > :45:07.Good house. Good job. Good family. But everything was left behind

:45:08. > :45:21.because we had no chance. I would say that it is a very

:45:22. > :45:27.intense story for all of us. I do believe that the partition shaped my

:45:28. > :45:32.parents' lives and their destiny, of course. It also shaped them as human

:45:33. > :45:39.beings. And the kind of learning that they had during that time, the

:45:40. > :45:44.kind of traits and characteristics that they were able to imbibe into

:45:45. > :45:52.their lives in that point in time had a great influence on everything

:45:53. > :45:56.later on. For instance I was born much, much later after partition,

:45:57. > :46:00.but the learnings and the teachings that my parents gained from that

:46:01. > :46:05.time, the way they were able to deal with the situation influenced them,

:46:06. > :46:15.and it has influenced all of us, me and my siblings as well. You set

:46:16. > :46:17.your daughter a challenge to go to India and learn about your

:46:18. > :46:22.grandmother, why did you want to do that and what did you find out? I

:46:23. > :46:26.thought it was really important to learn about this history. We aren't

:46:27. > :46:32.taught about it at school. If I wasn't going to teach it to my

:46:33. > :46:36.daughter, who would? Also, it's important for her personal history

:46:37. > :46:42.to know where we came from and that we have this story of this amazing

:46:43. > :46:47.woman and this journey she made. How much have been passed down through

:46:48. > :46:50.direct conversations? We had snippets of information and we have

:46:51. > :46:57.this treasure trove of her belongings which are letters and

:46:58. > :47:01.pictures, from when she got to Pakistan, including the refugee

:47:02. > :47:06.papers she filled in. We knew bits but nothing like what we discovered.

:47:07. > :47:17.We had never seen the house she left behind. She left the top production

:47:18. > :47:22.and came to Lahore in Pakistan. What did you find out in particular, what

:47:23. > :47:29.affected you when you learned about her? I learned that throughout

:47:30. > :47:36.history, loads of women's stories are forgotten. I'm really proud to

:47:37. > :47:43.have uncovered my great-grandmother's story. I think

:47:44. > :47:51.that if more people tried to learn about partition, and learn about the

:47:52. > :47:54.refugees that were made in their own country, then maybe they would be

:47:55. > :48:00.more sympathetic to the refugees coming into Europe today. Were you

:48:01. > :48:05.surprised to hear all the detail about it? How much had you been

:48:06. > :48:11.aware of before? I hadn't really been aware of that much, because I

:48:12. > :48:15.just thought that we had come from Pakistan and lived in Pakistan, but

:48:16. > :48:20.that wasn't the case. It was really surprising to find out my

:48:21. > :48:28.great-grandmother's story. Tell us more about her story, what did

:48:29. > :48:34.happen to her? She was alone in her house when she heard mobs outside.

:48:35. > :48:40.She decided to flee in the middle of the night. She was alone with about

:48:41. > :48:44.15 of her children. She had 19 children altogether but some were

:48:45. > :48:49.born after partition. She got up and she fled. She buried her wedding

:48:50. > :48:54.jewellery hoping that one day she would return to her house and her

:48:55. > :49:02.belongings. But she never did. She got on a train journey which we also

:49:03. > :49:05.took from Rampur. We went to Uttar Pradesh, where she was living in

:49:06. > :49:11.refugee camps for over a year. It had been a pretty well-to-do family,

:49:12. > :49:17.hadn't it? It was a huge contrast. My great-grandfather was quite

:49:18. > :49:22.active in the independence movement. I think you've got some stamps in

:49:23. > :49:28.your box. These are mementos you've picked up on your journey. This

:49:29. > :49:32.would have been my great-grandfather. He was part of

:49:33. > :49:40.the independence movement but sadly died... I mean, he wouldn't have

:49:41. > :49:44.been pro-partition I don't think. But he died before. She made that

:49:45. > :49:49.journey alone and they left all of that prestige and the life they were

:49:50. > :49:55.used to. As I said, they settled in camps in Lahore. Your grandparents

:49:56. > :50:04.had to move to Pakistan from India, how much were you told growing up

:50:05. > :50:08.about what happened? How much was passed on directly? I've never met

:50:09. > :50:15.my grandad but I've heard stories from a grandmother. Today, millions

:50:16. > :50:19.of people are celebrating it as an independent state, but for me, the

:50:20. > :50:23.stories which I heard from a grandmother, those horrific stories,

:50:24. > :50:40.they'll still in my head. What sort of stories? She had to migrate from

:50:41. > :50:46.India. She was very settled the. My grandfather was serving as an Army

:50:47. > :50:53.officer. Even though he was asked to help the people who migrated from

:50:54. > :50:59.India, he still couldn't help his own family. My grandmother, she had

:51:00. > :51:04.to carry two of her sons, both under the age of five, all the way from

:51:05. > :51:08.India to Pakistan. All the time she had that fear someone would attack

:51:09. > :51:14.her. All she could take with her was her jewellery. She had wrapped that

:51:15. > :51:22.around her body. It was a risky job to carry all your jewellery. Mobs

:51:23. > :51:27.were all attacking each other. It was a risky business. The stories

:51:28. > :51:31.that are told subsequently through formal education, you feel quite

:51:32. > :51:36.strongly that it's not necessarily reflective of what you have been

:51:37. > :51:40.told that first-hand. A lot of people from my generation,

:51:41. > :51:45.especially those of the British Asian origin, they aren't very clear

:51:46. > :51:50.about why partition happened. Basically Pakistan was made around

:51:51. > :52:04.the notion that religion, which in Pakistan was Islam, was the basis of

:52:05. > :52:10.nationalism. Which is not the case, the Arabs are divided into 20

:52:11. > :52:14.countries. That was wrong because before partition, from 1857 when the

:52:15. > :52:19.war of Independence was fought up until the late 40s, the Muslims,

:52:20. > :52:24.Hindus and Sikhs were united against the fight against the British Raj.

:52:25. > :52:30.Within a matter of a few months, they started fighting each other.

:52:31. > :52:37.What triggered that was the Muslim leaders, they were making Pakistan a

:52:38. > :52:43.fortress for Islam rather than for Muslims. Even today in Pakistan,

:52:44. > :52:46.which was made for Muslims which were a minority in India, the

:52:47. > :52:54.religious minorities in Pakistan are not safe today. What's the best way

:52:55. > :52:58.to teach this stuff? You will obviously got your personal stories.

:52:59. > :53:03.You've had your personal journey. I think talking about it firstly is

:53:04. > :53:08.really important. Our children need to know about their history. Hassan

:53:09. > :53:14.was saying about his education which was pretty one-sided. I'm quite

:53:15. > :53:19.sceptical of a curriculum that ignores large swathes of history,

:53:20. > :53:25.and I find it incumbent on my daughter to know what clay pots the

:53:26. > :53:30.Romans were eating out of 2000 years ago but not who was taking food off

:53:31. > :53:34.a grandmother's table 100 years ago. It's really important to teach this

:53:35. > :53:40.history and there are various organisations who have come up with

:53:41. > :53:44.syllabuses and curriculum is to teach through drama. We don't have

:53:45. > :53:48.to share all the gory details with children but they do need to know

:53:49. > :53:51.that it was the largest displacement of people in history. You said you

:53:52. > :53:57.think it's good for people to know what happened. Obviously it will

:53:58. > :54:02.have impacted on you knowing this about your family. How do you feel

:54:03. > :54:06.now you know all about what happened? Well, I feel really sad

:54:07. > :54:11.that my great-grandmother had to go through all of that to make a

:54:12. > :54:16.journey to Pakistan. When she got there, hoping that she would find a

:54:17. > :54:22.home and settle in, she was made a refugee in harrowing country, which

:54:23. > :54:27.was really shocking to find out. I think that by telling more people

:54:28. > :54:32.about it, then as I said before, they will be more sympathetic to the

:54:33. > :54:41.refugees today. Your whole life has been left pretty much in the

:54:42. > :54:44.aftermath of partition. How has it affected you throughout your life?

:54:45. > :55:04.Have you ever got beyond what you went through? It is terrible to

:55:05. > :55:16.forget. It was shocking. My parents were shifted to refugee camps. There

:55:17. > :55:30.were millions of people living there. My father got a job there. He

:55:31. > :55:47.took the job to earn money and look after the family financially. It was

:55:48. > :55:53.terrible to live there... INAUDIBLE It was terrible in winter, summer

:55:54. > :55:59.also, and the rainy days also. I have not been there because my

:56:00. > :56:08.husband told me, you will not be able to bear seeing your parent

:56:09. > :56:15.suffering so much. Those days... INAUDIBLE Thank you so much.

:56:16. > :56:17.The American Cassini space probe is beginning its final phase

:56:18. > :56:25.of its two-decade-long mission to Saturn.

:56:26. > :56:27.Scientists know they're taking a risk, buffeting means Cassini

:56:28. > :56:29.must use its thrusters to maintain control.

:56:30. > :56:31.It promises unprecedented data on the chemical

:56:32. > :56:32.composition and the internal structure of Saturn.

:56:33. > :56:44.We can now speak talk to the space journalist and author Sarah Cruddas.

:56:45. > :56:52.It feels like we are in space! What are you hoping for from this

:56:53. > :56:56.mission? It's been incredible anyhow, one of the best things to

:56:57. > :57:00.come from this mission as always with going into space isn't the

:57:01. > :57:05.science we are doing in space, but simply looking back at Earth.

:57:06. > :57:09.Cassini has spent 20 years on its journey to Saturn and took this

:57:10. > :57:16.picture of Saturn's rings and in the distance is a pale dot and that dot

:57:17. > :57:21.is ours. In terms of science it's been a game changer. Saturn is the

:57:22. > :57:24.second largest planet in our solar system but think of it as a mini

:57:25. > :57:30.solar system in its own way. We don't know quite why it has those

:57:31. > :57:34.rings. It has at least 60 moons and other means we haven't yet

:57:35. > :57:39.identified. It's a world unto itself. Since this mission launched

:57:40. > :57:43.we've discovered two of the means might even have conditions which

:57:44. > :57:47.might mean there is life within our rain solar system. It is game

:57:48. > :57:50.changing stuff. Now we are coming into the final part of the mission

:57:51. > :57:55.which is to do something that no spacecraft has done before. We

:57:56. > :57:58.assume we know so much because we'd been going into space for more than

:57:59. > :58:02.50 years but actually we know so little. We've never been this close

:58:03. > :58:07.to Saturn and its a feat of engineering to use gravity from

:58:08. > :58:11.Saturn's largest moon to slingshot the spacecraft which is 20 years

:58:12. > :58:18.old, to the cloud tops around the gas planets. Thank you.

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