21/08/2017

:00:10. > :00:11.Hello, it's Monday, it's nine o'clock.

:00:12. > :00:13.I'm Joanna Gosling welcome to the programme.

:00:14. > :00:16.has found scammers are increasingly taking advantage of the goodwill of

:00:17. > :00:20.people donating money in the aftermath of major tragedies.

:00:21. > :00:22.So how can you be sure are you that your cash

:00:23. > :00:30.is going to the causes you hoped to help?

:00:31. > :00:39.The town was a Brew seat bonus. Was that a one-off or more widespread? I

:00:40. > :00:41.would say about 80% of us were doing it.

:00:42. > :00:43.Online hate crimes will now be treated as seriously as offences

:00:44. > :00:46.The Crown Prosecution Service has updated its rules

:00:47. > :00:52.following the growing number of cases occurring.

:00:53. > :00:58.If the crime is committed because of somebody's hatred of that particular

:00:59. > :01:03.characteristic, that is a hate crime. It is important to define it

:01:04. > :01:06.as such. If we define it as a hate crime we can ask the court to

:01:07. > :01:07.increase the sentence if they are convicted or plead guilty.

:01:08. > :01:10.We will be talking to Love Island's Olivia about the abuse

:01:11. > :01:20.The curtain has come down on Mo Farah's glittering track career with

:01:21. > :01:25.a 3000 metres when in Birmingham. What next for the athletics legend

:01:26. > :01:34.and what will his legacy be? We talked to his first running coach.

:01:35. > :01:41.Hello, welcome to the programme. We're live until 11 this morning.

:01:42. > :01:48.Do you suffer from arthritis? It is a condition that affects 10 million

:01:49. > :01:52.people of all ages, including children, according to the NHS. The

:01:53. > :01:56.leading arthritis charity says it is being ignored as a major health

:01:57. > :01:58.issue. Get in touch if you have got arthritis and you know what it feels

:01:59. > :01:58.like. use the hashtag Victoria live

:01:59. > :02:01.and If you text, you will be charged Hate crimes committed online should

:02:02. > :02:06.be pursued as seriously as offences carried out face to face,

:02:07. > :02:08.according to new guidelines for prosecutors

:02:09. > :02:10.in England and Wales. The Crown Prosecution Service

:02:11. > :02:12.says it will seek tougher penalties for abuse on social media,

:02:13. > :02:15.which it says could lead to the type of extremist hate seen

:02:16. > :02:18.in Charlottesville in the US. Rhodri Colwyn Philipps,

:02:19. > :02:28.the fourth Viscount St Davids, jailed last month for racially

:02:29. > :02:31.aggravated threats on Facebook against Gina Miller,

:02:32. > :02:33.the businesswoman behind She said she felt violated

:02:34. > :02:37.by his shocking comments, just one of many online

:02:38. > :02:41.attacks she suffered. Now, the Crown Prosecution Service

:02:42. > :02:46.says these kinds of crimes must be dealt with as robustly

:02:47. > :02:49.as offences on the street. It is promising a tougher response,

:02:50. > :02:53.to build public confidence. There were more than 15,000 hate

:02:54. > :02:59.crime prosecutions in 2015-2016, the highest number ever,

:03:00. > :03:02.and a third of those convicted But the number of cases referred

:03:03. > :03:09.by police to persecutors fell by almost 10%, a drop the CPS says

:03:10. > :03:22.it is investigating. With the explosion in the use of

:03:23. > :03:27.social media in recent years, it is very important the prosecuting

:03:28. > :03:31.authorities, the CPS, the police, are as up-to-date as possible in

:03:32. > :03:35.making sure they are using the law to its fullest extent. There is no

:03:36. > :03:41.hiding place for these perpetrators. The law is clear. And if you persist

:03:42. > :03:45.in this sort of behaviour, you will be detected, caught and punished.

:03:46. > :03:46.Some critics say police and prosecutors

:03:47. > :03:48.moved too slowly to apprehend online abusers.

:03:49. > :03:50.That means people are reluctant to come forward.

:03:51. > :03:52.The CPS hopes new guidance will create the

:03:53. > :04:06.best possible chance of achieving justice for all victims.

:04:07. > :04:11.The CPS says the campaign is not just aimed at raising awareness but

:04:12. > :04:14.also encouraging victims of online hate crimes to come forward.

:04:15. > :04:16.We know this is a crime that's underreported.

:04:17. > :04:18.Sometimes people feel that they just have to sort of put up

:04:19. > :04:21.with it, it's something that happens to them because they're disabled,

:04:22. > :04:23.because they are gay, because they're a particular religion.

:04:24. > :04:26.So we're really encouraging people to

:04:27. > :04:29.think about the behaviours that are shown to them and to think about

:04:30. > :04:38.reporting things which will be a hate crime.

:04:39. > :04:41.Let us know your thoughts on that as well. The usual ways of getting in

:04:42. > :04:43.touch. Matthew Price is in the BBC

:04:44. > :04:45.Newsroom with a summary The US navy says ten of its sailors

:04:46. > :04:51.are missing and five have been injured after one of its warships

:04:52. > :04:54.collided with an oil tanker off It's the second serious collision

:04:55. > :04:57.involving an American President Trump has said his

:04:58. > :05:00.thoughts and prayers More people will die from fires

:05:01. > :05:09.started by faulty white goods, if ministers do not act

:05:10. > :05:11.to implement safety guidelines. That's according to

:05:12. > :05:12.the London Fire Brigade, They've sent a letter

:05:13. > :05:18.to Theresa May in response to the Grenfell Tower fire,

:05:19. > :05:21.which it's thought was started It warns some products

:05:22. > :05:24.are still being sold Spanish police are investigating

:05:25. > :05:33.a possible link between Thursday's attacks in Spain, and assaults

:05:34. > :05:35.by so-called Islamic State Authorities believe the Iman,

:05:36. > :05:40.Abdelbaki Es Satty, may have radicalised younger members

:05:41. > :05:44.of the cell, which carried out the Las Ramblas

:05:45. > :05:47.and Cambrils atrocities. They're also investigating

:05:48. > :05:49.whether he was involved in the bombings at Brussels airport

:05:50. > :05:52.and a metro station in the city, With us now is our Europe

:05:53. > :06:12.Correspondent, Gavin Lee. Gavin, what our police saying about

:06:13. > :06:20.this possible link involving the imam and these other attacks in

:06:21. > :06:25.Europe? They searched his empty property over the weekend. They

:06:26. > :06:32.believe he is dead, that he accidentally killed himself in an

:06:33. > :06:39.explosion where he was planning this attack. There was bomb-making

:06:40. > :06:48.material. There was an explosion. Two people died. He was living in a

:06:49. > :06:51.Pyrenees town, that is where the search took place. They believe some

:06:52. > :06:57.of the parents of the suspects killed in the attack, say they were

:06:58. > :07:05.radicalised by this man. There were links, it appears, with the Belgian

:07:06. > :07:11.attacks, in Brussels. He was in prison were one of the suspects

:07:12. > :07:16.behind the 2004 Madrid attack. We have had confirmation from the

:07:17. > :07:20.Spanish police that the driver here on Las Ramblas, the suspect who

:07:21. > :07:28.carried out that van attack, is Eunice Abouyaaqoub. -- Younes

:07:29. > :07:35.Abouyaaqoub. They said they were looking for this one suspect who are

:07:36. > :07:41.still missing. There is CCTV image re--- imagery which shows him

:07:42. > :07:46.leaving on foot away from here. We have clarity at least on who exactly

:07:47. > :07:50.this man is who is still missing. A suggestion from some of the

:07:51. > :07:58.authorities this morning that there is a Europe-wide hunt for that man?

:07:59. > :08:01.Just to be clear, the Spanish authorities aren't saying they

:08:02. > :08:10.believed he left the country. They haven't got any evidence that he has

:08:11. > :08:18.left the Catalan area. What they are saying is, they put out an alert on

:08:19. > :08:24.Thursday night for assistance. After the Berlin attacks, the attacker was

:08:25. > :08:27.found in Milan. After the Paris attacks, one of the men was hiding

:08:28. > :08:32.out in Brussels. They are aware of that. Not suggesting he has

:08:33. > :08:36.definitely left the country. Gavin Lee, thank you very much

:08:37. > :08:40.indeed. We will be keeping you up-to-date with those developments

:08:41. > :08:41.as they continue here on the news channel.

:08:42. > :08:43.Military exercises by South Korean and American armed

:08:44. > :08:45.forces are going ahead, despite protests from the North.

:08:46. > :08:48.The drills are conducted every year, to prepare for an attack

:08:49. > :08:53.The latest come amid heightened tensions following an exchange

:08:54. > :08:57.of threats between Pyongyang and Washington.

:08:58. > :09:01.The United Nations says 14,000 people have fled

:09:02. > :09:04.from the Iraqi city of Tal Afar, where government forces have

:09:05. > :09:07.launched a major offensive against so-called Islamic State.

:09:08. > :09:09.About 2000 militants remain in the city which has been bombed

:09:10. > :09:16.Motorists in Wales are being asked to pass footage

:09:17. > :09:20.captured on dashcams to police, in an effort to clamp down

:09:21. > :09:26.A pilot scheme in North Wales has seen action taken against more

:09:27. > :09:29.than 100 drivers over the past year, after they were filmed

:09:30. > :09:34.Members of the public are encourage to upload clips of "dodgy driving"

:09:35. > :09:41.Big Ben will fall silent this lunchtime -

:09:42. > :09:48.It's part of a major refurbishment of the Houses of Parliament,

:09:49. > :09:52.which could see the bells muted for longest period in their history.

:09:53. > :10:04.Since 1859, Big Ben has chimed through the reign of six

:10:05. > :10:06.monarchs and two World Wars, with only a handful

:10:07. > :10:13.However, Parliament says the bell now needs to be disconnected

:10:14. > :10:15.for the safety of construction workers during major

:10:16. > :10:21.But the plan to silence Big Ben has caused, well, rather a ding-dong.

:10:22. > :10:25.There has been a backlash from the public and politicians.

:10:26. > :10:29.The Prime Minister, Theresa May, says she has asked the Speaker

:10:30. > :10:32.of the Commons to look into the matter urgently,

:10:33. > :10:35.to see whether Big Ben could continue to be heard.

:10:36. > :10:38.For now, Big Ben is due to be silenced until 2021,

:10:39. > :10:42.except for special occasions, such as New Year's Eve

:10:43. > :10:46.People are invited to gather in Parliament Square to hear

:10:47. > :10:48.the final bongs at noon, before the great bell

:10:49. > :11:07.We will bring you those final bonds live at midday.

:11:08. > :11:10.The United States will experience a coast to coast total solar eclipse

:11:11. > :11:13.for the first time in almost a century later today.

:11:14. > :11:20.It is the first time in 99 years. The movement will turn day into

:11:21. > :11:24.night for two and a half minutes across 14 US states. In the UK, a

:11:25. > :11:28.partial solar eclipse will be visible just before sunset as the

:11:29. > :11:29.moon appears to take a small bite out of the sun.

:11:30. > :11:32.Here's a very good example of why not to use a mobile

:11:33. > :11:36.Look what happened when a sinkhole opened up at this crossing

:11:37. > :11:40.A scooter driver who was on his mobile didn't realise -

:11:41. > :11:44.Don't worry though, luckily he walked away unharmed.

:11:45. > :11:57.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

:11:58. > :12:04.Those pictures are incredible. Thank you. Still to come, we have a

:12:05. > :12:07.special report on how scammers are increasingly taking advantage of the

:12:08. > :12:11.goodwill of people looking to make donations in the aftermath of major

:12:12. > :12:18.tragedies. How can you be sure your donated cash is going to the causes

:12:19. > :12:23.you want to help? Get in touch with's. -- with's.

:12:24. > :12:36.Britain bidding farewell to Sir Mo Farah.

:12:37. > :12:42.The four-time Olympic gold medallist won his last ever track race on home

:12:43. > :12:44.soil. He took the 3000 metres at the Birmingham Diamond League meeting.

:12:45. > :12:50.It is that Sprint at the end, showing his power, dominance, and

:12:51. > :12:54.just kissing the track to pay homage through his years on the track. The

:12:55. > :12:59.father of four is now switching to road racing. He said all he dreams

:13:00. > :13:06.about as a kid was running for Great Britain. We are going to be speaking

:13:07. > :13:13.to the coach who started coaching at the age of 12. Totten, Wembley,

:13:14. > :13:15.another bad result? They're using Wembley

:13:16. > :13:19.as their home ground this season, is being knocked down

:13:20. > :13:23.to make way for a new one. The problem sometimes

:13:24. > :13:26.with using Wembley is that the away team can feel so fired up

:13:27. > :13:29.like it's an FA Cup Final. On the pitch, it

:13:30. > :13:33.finished 2-1 to Chelsea. All smiles for Chelsea, and a happy

:13:34. > :13:35.manager in Antonio Conte, who Spurs have only won once

:13:36. > :13:45.in 11 games at Wembley Talk of a curse is all a little too

:13:46. > :14:00.early at this stage. But one to watch, definitely. Yes,

:14:01. > :14:02.we will. It has been a great weekend for Britain's eventers.

:14:03. > :14:06.and it's the first time they've won the title since 2009.

:14:07. > :14:08.Nicola Wilson also took individual bronze.

:14:09. > :14:11.Wilson could afford two penalties to secure the team gold

:14:12. > :14:15.That confirmed Britain's win, and her own bronze individual medal.

:14:16. > :14:23.Germany claimed team silver with Sweden finishing third.

:14:24. > :14:32.Scammers are increasingly taking advantage of the goodwill of people

:14:33. > :14:35.looking to make donations to help in the aftermath of major

:14:36. > :14:37.tragedies, an investigation by the Victoria Derbyshire

:14:38. > :14:42.The UK's fraud reporting centre, Action Fraud, has shown us examples

:14:43. > :14:47.of fake fund-raising websites set up in the aftermath of the Grenfell

:14:48. > :14:50.Tower fire that they've managed to take down.

:14:51. > :14:52.But we've also found examples of organisations which look

:14:53. > :14:54.like charities but aren't raising money on the street.

:14:55. > :14:56.So how sure are you that your donated cash is going

:14:57. > :15:13.With more than 200,000 registered charities in the UK,

:15:14. > :15:16.you're not going to struggle to find a good cause

:15:17. > :15:22.Last year, the British public donated around

:15:23. > :15:29.And with the charity and voluntary sector worth around ?45 billion

:15:30. > :15:34.to our economy each year, it's a big-money business.

:15:35. > :15:38.So how can we be sure that the money we give on the street

:15:39. > :15:41.or online is actually going to the causes we want to support?

:15:42. > :15:44.It's somebody else pretending to be us.

:15:45. > :15:48.So that can't do us any good, that's for sure.

:15:49. > :15:53.Do you not feel that you are taking advantage

:15:54. > :15:55.of the public's generosity? Yes.

:15:56. > :15:57.So these things do tend to happen with regularity, I'm afraid,

:15:58. > :16:00.whenever there is some sort of high-profile event that really

:16:01. > :16:16.As a guide dog owner, I've benefited from charity.

:16:17. > :16:19.And to say thank you, I volunteer some spare time

:16:20. > :16:24.But for quite a few years now, I've come across some fundraisers

:16:25. > :16:26.on the street who just don't sit right.

:16:27. > :16:29.So I've decided to film some of them.

:16:30. > :16:31.We buy mobility scooters for disabled adults and children.

:16:32. > :16:34.Oh, right, yeah? And we're asking people...

:16:35. > :16:41.His name is Salim Sayed, or Super Si.

:16:42. > :16:43.He's raising money for something called the Happiness Foundation,

:16:44. > :16:47.which claims to buy mobility scooters for local people.

:16:48. > :16:49.What we do, we buy mobility scooters for adults

:16:50. > :16:51.and children who are registered as disabled locally.

:16:52. > :16:54.Everyone wants to support charity or whatever...

:16:55. > :16:56.Exactly, if it weren't for people like you,

:16:57. > :17:05.The Happiness Foundation is not a registered charity or a company.

:17:06. > :17:08.Fundraising like this is not illegal, but it does make it

:17:09. > :17:11.very hard to check to see if they are doing what they say

:17:12. > :17:15.Online, a number of people have raised concerns

:17:16. > :17:20.There was two complaints in 2014 on the Happiness

:17:21. > :17:25.And then here starts the abusive ones.

:17:26. > :17:27.This has been a problem for a not-for-profit company also

:17:28. > :17:32.It feels like a great injustice to me, that we are not

:17:33. > :17:34.doing anything wrong, we are actually doing

:17:35. > :17:38.We mostly don't charge for what we've done.

:17:39. > :17:42.Kath Temple set up her Happiness Foundation eight years ago

:17:43. > :17:44.in memory of her brother, to provide counselling

:17:45. > :17:50.But four years ago, she started getting complaints about

:17:51. > :17:55.We were presenting to football's governing bodies,

:17:56. > :18:00.Why should I be embarrassed? I haven't done anything wrong.

:18:01. > :18:03.But I felt embarrassed because I knew that

:18:04. > :18:06.if they did a search, perhaps that would come up.

:18:07. > :18:08.It's not my Happiness Foundation, it's somebody else

:18:09. > :18:12.So that can't do us any good, that's for sure.

:18:13. > :18:17.We tried to talk to Salim Sayed, but he hasn't responded to our messages.

:18:18. > :18:20.We did manage to track down one of the men behind

:18:21. > :18:22.the Happiness Foundation, Marcus Leavsley.

:18:23. > :18:25.He told us they weren't pretending to be Kath Temple's

:18:26. > :18:28.Happiness Foundation, and they do provide mobility

:18:29. > :18:31.scooters for disabled people, though he wouldn't show us

:18:32. > :18:34.Hello, is Marcus Leavsley around, please?

:18:35. > :18:54.Mr Leavsley, it's the Victoria Derbyshire Show.

:18:55. > :18:57.Are you going to come and have a chat with us?

:18:58. > :19:00.We asked Marcus Leavsley to be interviewed, and he declined.

:19:01. > :19:03.We asked him to show us that he really is doing the good

:19:04. > :19:09.He has told us, however, that the Happiness Foundation

:19:10. > :19:12.no longer exists, and claims that he will still be honouring

:19:13. > :19:20.We've seen evidence that shows the same people behind

:19:21. > :19:24.the Happiness Foundation are selling the same competition tickets under

:19:25. > :19:30.They're still not a registered charity or a company,

:19:31. > :19:33.and they still claim to be buying mobility scooters

:19:34. > :19:39.We've seen no evidence that the actions of this

:19:40. > :19:41.Happiness Foundation, or the Theme for a Dream Project, are illegal.

:19:42. > :19:45.But increasingly, campaigners are taking action themselves

:19:46. > :19:49.when they come across fundraisers that worry them.

:19:50. > :19:52.Have you looked at their files? No, I haven't.

:19:53. > :19:54.Do you know any of the charity work that they actually do?

:19:55. > :19:57.Colin Eastway was a paratrooper in the British Army, where he served

:19:58. > :20:02.He has been confronting people who he thinks are posing

:20:03. > :20:07.as military charities, and posting videos online.

:20:08. > :20:10.Friends who have been injured in Afghanistan.

:20:11. > :20:12.For example, lost limbs, maybe have PTSD or neurological injuries,

:20:13. > :20:22.they will look towards the charities for help and assistance.

:20:23. > :20:24.In terms of the way that you feel disrespects their service.

:20:25. > :20:30.It does make me very angry, to think that they are actually

:20:31. > :20:32.stealing money from my friends, who are looking towards

:20:33. > :20:40.People think they're putting money in the bucket and

:20:41. > :20:45.When actually they're not, they're given to a scam company.

:20:46. > :20:49.And what do you think about these people?

:20:50. > :20:51.Obviously, it's the lowest of the low.

:20:52. > :20:53.Stealing from a charity, stealing from a disabled charity,

:20:54. > :20:56.stealing from any sort of charity is the lowest of the low.

:20:57. > :20:59.What would you say to people if, you know, looking at the YouTube

:21:00. > :21:00.videos, looking at some of the confrontations,

:21:01. > :21:04.why would it be wrong to see that as vigilante action on your part?

:21:05. > :21:06.I'm not a vigilante. I'm just a member of the public.

:21:07. > :21:12.And as a member of the public, you have the right to ask

:21:13. > :21:14.questions like, "What's your charity registration number?"

:21:15. > :21:16."How much of my ?1 goes to the charity?"

:21:17. > :21:18.And you never feel that you go too far?

:21:19. > :21:22.No, I never go too far, never go too far.

:21:23. > :21:25.Beyond the grey areas organisations like Marcus Leavsley's

:21:26. > :21:27.Happiness Foundation operate in, there are criminals

:21:28. > :21:31.who take advantage of the public's generosity.

:21:32. > :21:34.I've spoken to a man who admits he used to steal money

:21:35. > :21:40.He worked for companies that raised money for Armed Forces charities

:21:41. > :21:44.through bucket collections and competition ticket sales.

:21:45. > :21:50.But a big chunk of the cash ended up in his and his colleagues' pockets.

:21:51. > :21:52.They basically raised all of the money

:21:53. > :21:54.and then gave money to a certain charity.

:21:55. > :21:57.So, out of every ?10 that was going in your bucket,

:21:58. > :22:00.or through tickets sold, how much was the charity getting?

:22:01. > :22:06.So ?2 out of every ?10? ?2 out of every ?10.

:22:07. > :22:08.I mean, how clear was it from the tickets

:22:09. > :22:11.that were being sold as to how much of that money

:22:12. > :22:16.The only thing about it was just hidden in the back of a folder.

:22:17. > :22:25.Just a statement that said, "Look, we'll give 20% to this charity."

:22:26. > :22:27.They also sold competition tickets for ?2.50.

:22:28. > :22:29.Steve and his colleagues would convince people to give them

:22:30. > :22:32.extra money by telling them they were helping injured soldiers.

:22:33. > :22:34.Instead, it was going straight into the fundraisers' pockets.

:22:35. > :22:41.Do you not feel that you were taking advantage

:22:42. > :22:47.Yes, at times. I mean, it was.

:22:48. > :22:51.I mean, quite a few of us like to think we're doing a good deed,

:22:52. > :22:54.but at the end of the day, it was a job for us.

:22:55. > :22:56.And in particular, sometimes we earned good money.

:22:57. > :22:59.Solicitor Robert Craig is a specialist in charity law.

:23:00. > :23:01.He said the public need to take a careful look

:23:02. > :23:04.before donating to apparently good causes.

:23:05. > :23:06.My wife and I were out, and some boys approached us

:23:07. > :23:11.to raise money for a gym which was teaching boxing to kids.

:23:12. > :23:13.And we thought that was a very good idea,

:23:14. > :23:16.so we said, you know, tell us more about it.

:23:17. > :23:21.I asked a couple more questions, and they sort of disappeared.

:23:22. > :23:23.We took the name of the charity, or the organisation,

:23:24. > :23:32.And the guy who ran it assured me they have no collections,

:23:33. > :23:36.that they don't raise money from the public like that - they get grants.

:23:37. > :23:39.And he has heard about this before, and obviously here are some

:23:40. > :23:42.youngsters starting on an early life of crime, trying to raise money

:23:43. > :23:49.Which is deplorable, but, you know, what can you do?

:23:50. > :23:52.I'm sure a lot of people going past would have just

:23:53. > :23:56.And should the police be doing more, do you think?

:23:57. > :24:02.I don't think you can expect the police to do much more

:24:03. > :24:05.than deal with very obvious cases where they find that,

:24:06. > :24:11.for example, because they see people stealing money out of a tin,

:24:12. > :24:14.or they catch people as part of a larger fraud.

:24:15. > :24:17.It's to do with, what's the public interest in pursuing it?

:24:18. > :24:19.And how likely are they to get a conviction?

:24:20. > :24:21.And also, whether finding a few people will actually

:24:22. > :24:29.stamp out the problem, which I doubt it will.

:24:30. > :24:33.I'm here in the City of London, because the police here gather

:24:34. > :24:35.all of the reports of charity fraud from around the country

:24:36. > :24:39.so that local forces can investigate it.

:24:40. > :24:48.I want to see if I can find out just how big the problem really is.

:24:49. > :24:51.In terms of reports of the last year,

:24:52. > :24:56.we had 800 reports made to us by the public about charity fraud.

:24:57. > :24:59.We're conscious that what's reported to us is but a fraction

:25:00. > :25:02.of what actually happens in terms of all kinds of fraud,

:25:03. > :25:06.So that 800 is a fairly large number of reports

:25:07. > :25:11.But we're conscious that the problem is most likely a lot larger

:25:12. > :25:16.Can you give me any recent examples of how people have exploited

:25:17. > :25:21.Yes, a very recent example, and a very tragic example,

:25:22. > :25:23.would be websites and Just Giving pages

:25:24. > :25:30.being set up in support of the Grenfell Tower incident.

:25:31. > :25:34.We within the NFIB set up a process where we could monitor new websites

:25:35. > :25:37.that are being set up with a link to Grenfell Tower,

:25:38. > :25:43.especially anything reported to be a charity collection website.

:25:44. > :25:48.One of them directly on the first day that we set up

:25:49. > :25:50.the process, we did establish was a fraudulent website.

:25:51. > :25:54.The person who set it up, as soon as money was being paid

:25:55. > :25:56.into his bank account, he was then withdrawing money

:25:57. > :26:00.We managed to get that website taken down on the same day

:26:01. > :26:05.You tend to find it's happening more and more frequently

:26:06. > :26:10.in connection with high profile, you know, tragedies.

:26:11. > :26:13.We also had similar incidents occurring with the Manchester

:26:14. > :26:20.So these things do tend to happen with a regularity, I'm afraid.

:26:21. > :26:23.Whenever there is some sort of high profile event that really touches

:26:24. > :26:25.at the heart of the public who, in their generosity,

:26:26. > :26:28.they want to do something, they want provide a way of giving

:26:29. > :26:32.So how do we avoid being duped by a fake charity?

:26:33. > :26:36.The regulator, the Charity Commission, has this advice...

:26:37. > :26:39.Check that street fundraisers have a charity registration number.

:26:40. > :26:42.That they are happy to give further information when asked.

:26:43. > :26:44.And when donating online, avoid requests to give cash

:26:45. > :26:53.The vast majority of fundraising is legitimate, but we found grey

:26:54. > :26:56.areas where it is all but impossible to check where your money ends up.

:26:57. > :26:59.And there are scammers that are prepared to go to ever more

:27:00. > :27:03.sophisticated lengths to snatch money from those who most need it.

:27:04. > :27:05.With authorities' resources stretched, it's increasingly down

:27:06. > :27:15.to us to make sure that that cash is going where we want it to.

:27:16. > :27:22.Led us know your thoughts on that. Peter on Facebook, I am very wary of

:27:23. > :27:27.anyone on the street all with a stall at car-boot sales claiming to

:27:28. > :27:31.be doing it for charity, how do we know it is genuine? Christopher

:27:32. > :27:35.says, I have been involved in the charity sector for a few years, and

:27:36. > :27:38.it needs to get a grip on this, because it gives honest charity is a

:27:39. > :27:42.bad name and undermines the often crucial work the sector is doing.

:27:43. > :27:48.The vast majority of those I have worked with and working with today

:27:49. > :27:50.in the charity sector are honest and dedicated to the causes they are

:27:51. > :27:54.helping. Keep your thoughts coming in.

:27:55. > :27:56.And in the next hour, we'll hear from the charity

:27:57. > :27:59.regulator and a woman whose charity to raise funds for her son's

:28:00. > :28:20.Also coming up, Love Island's Olivia will be talking to us about the new

:28:21. > :28:24.changes in hate crime law. And Mo Farah's incredible career on the

:28:25. > :28:30.track finished last night with yet another win, and we expected nothing

:28:31. > :28:37.less, of course. We speak to three people who have worked and trained

:28:38. > :28:39.with him throughout his career. Putts join Matthew for a summary of

:28:40. > :28:41.today's news. Hate crimes committed online should

:28:42. > :28:44.be pursued as seriously as offences carried out face to face,

:28:45. > :28:46.according to new guidelines for prosecutors

:28:47. > :28:48.in England and Wales. The Crown Prosecution Service

:28:49. > :28:52.says it will seek tougher penalties for abuse on social media,

:28:53. > :28:55.which it says could lead to the type of extremist hate seen

:28:56. > :29:09.in Charlottesville in the US. The US Navy says ten of its sailors

:29:10. > :29:12.are missing and five have been injured after one of its warships

:29:13. > :29:15.collided with an oil tanker It's the second serious collision

:29:16. > :29:18.involving an American President Trump has said

:29:19. > :29:21.his thoughts and prayers Spanish police are investigating

:29:22. > :29:27.a possible link between Thursday's attacks in Spain and assaults

:29:28. > :29:30.by so-called Islamic State Authorities believe the imam

:29:31. > :29:36.Abdelbaki Es Satty may have radicalised younger members

:29:37. > :29:38.of the cell, which carried out the Las Ramblas

:29:39. > :29:41.and Cambrils atrocities. They're also investigating

:29:42. > :29:44.whether he was involved in the bombings at Brussels airport

:29:45. > :29:48.and a Metro station in the city, More people will die from fires

:29:49. > :29:59.started by faulty white goods, if ministers do not act

:30:00. > :30:01.to implement safety guidelines. That's according to

:30:02. > :30:03.the London Fire Brigade, They've sent a letter

:30:04. > :30:08.to Theresa May in response to the Grenfell Tower fire,

:30:09. > :30:10.which it's thought was started It warns some products

:30:11. > :30:29.are still being sold Big Ben is going to bring out for

:30:30. > :30:34.the last time today, for the first time on a daily basis in four years.

:30:35. > :30:37.The Houses of Parliament are undergoing a major refurbishment and

:30:38. > :30:42.the bells will be muted for the longest period in their 157 year

:30:43. > :30:47.history. Some MPs have criticised the plan.

:30:48. > :30:55.We will be bringing those bells to you live, the last time they ring at

:30:56. > :30:59.midday. That is the latest BBC News. Very controversial, isn't it? We

:31:00. > :31:04.will of course listen to those bells at midday.

:31:05. > :31:08.Now the sport. Mo Farah ended his British track career with victory in

:31:09. > :31:14.the 3000 metres in Birmingham. He is now switching to road racing. He

:31:15. > :31:18.said as a kid he dreams of running for Britain. Chelsea manager Antonio

:31:19. > :31:23.Conte has warned Tottenham teams will be inspired by playing against

:31:24. > :31:26.them at Wembley. Spurs lost 2-1 at Wembley yesterday in their first

:31:27. > :31:29.league game at the National Stadium. And Great Britain won team gold at

:31:30. > :31:34.the European eventing Championships in Poland, the first time they have

:31:35. > :31:37.won the title since 2009. I'm back at ten.

:31:38. > :31:40.From today, prosecutors will be expected to treat online hate crimes

:31:41. > :31:45.The Crown Prosecution Service has updated its rules

:31:46. > :31:47.following the growing number of online abuse cases.

:31:48. > :31:52.A hate crime is an offence motivated by prejudice

:31:53. > :31:54.towards a person's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation

:31:55. > :32:00.The CPS says it will prosecute complaints of online hate crime

:32:01. > :32:03."with the same robust approach used with offline offending,

:32:04. > :32:05.while recognising that children may not appreciate the potential harm

:32:06. > :32:06.and seriousness of their communications".

:32:07. > :32:10.It's Director of Public Prosecutions, Alison Saunders,

:32:11. > :32:22.said many hate crimes were under reported.

:32:23. > :32:27.There are two things we have lost. One is internal guidance for

:32:28. > :32:31.prosecutors, the different things they need to take into account in

:32:32. > :32:35.relation to the specific strands of hate crime, and to make sure that we

:32:36. > :32:39.are asking for a sentence left, where we are convicting individuals,

:32:40. > :32:43.and also their public facing statements, and also social media

:32:44. > :32:47.campaign we are launching today. That is important because we know

:32:48. > :32:47.this is a crime that is underreported.

:32:48. > :32:51.Sometimes people feel that they just have to sort of put up with it,

:32:52. > :32:53.it's something that happens to them because they're disabled,

:32:54. > :32:55.because they are gay, because they're a particular

:32:56. > :33:00.So we're really encouraging people to think about the behaviours that

:33:01. > :33:02.are shown to them and to think about reporting things

:33:03. > :33:07.Last month, some MPs told us about the trolling and abusive

:33:08. > :33:09.language they regularly received - some of which falls

:33:10. > :33:18.into the category of a hate crime. Let's hear from them.

:33:19. > :33:21.Caroline Ansell is as bad as Isis, and Hitler.

:33:22. > :33:37.Get out of my country, you ugly racist...

:33:38. > :33:43.I want to see your head swinging from Tower Bridge.

:33:44. > :33:56.We voted Brexit and Article 50 is going to get triggered anyway.

:33:57. > :34:03.Well, joining us now is Paul Twocock, who is from the LGBT

:34:04. > :34:07.Olivia Attwood, who has been the victim of vicious abuse

:34:08. > :34:10.since appearing on the programme Love Island.

:34:11. > :34:14.This is her first TV interview talking about it.

:34:15. > :34:16.And Sheila Atim, who has been racially abused

:34:17. > :34:23.in public many times, but never online.

:34:24. > :34:31.Good morning. Thank you for joining us. Olivia, welcome. What sort of

:34:32. > :34:37.abuse have you received? When I was on the show, unfortunately a lot of

:34:38. > :34:43.the abuse was directed at my family. I was in a bubble. Since I came out

:34:44. > :34:48.it has all been online. A lot of it I couldn't repeat on breakfast

:34:49. > :34:57.television. Can you give us the censored version? Death threats,

:34:58. > :35:04.people making personal comments. How many death threats? A significant

:35:05. > :35:10.amount. What do they say? Things like, you should die. What do they

:35:11. > :35:13.say about why they hate you so much? There are no specific reasons. I

:35:14. > :35:19.think they have watched the show and they feel like they know you. They

:35:20. > :35:27.want to express their thoughts. Because they are hiding behind a

:35:28. > :35:30.keyboard, it is being able to get that message across that they

:35:31. > :35:35.believe there are no consequences, which often there aren't. Do you

:35:36. > :35:38.feel threatened? I made a conscious effort to not let it affect me. I

:35:39. > :35:43.went into the series with the eyes open. When I came into this industry

:35:44. > :35:50.I was warned this was something I would have to put up with. I think

:35:51. > :35:53.it is so sad that you work in the public eye and you are warned you

:35:54. > :35:59.will have to tolerate this kind of behaviour. That is quite an issue.

:36:00. > :36:04.That we normalise it to that extent. What impact as it had on you? It has

:36:05. > :36:10.been upsetting. It would be wrong to say it hasn't. But it is, for me,

:36:11. > :36:16.I'm quite thick-skinned. Somebody who wasn't like me, the effect it

:36:17. > :36:23.could have on them emotionally and mentally, is devastating. You say

:36:24. > :36:29.that you were told to expect it. Is there anything that you have thought

:36:30. > :36:37.you probably should report it? Would you report scoffed? There are

:36:38. > :36:42.things. Is this normal? You can't pretend you haven't seen it. You

:36:43. > :36:46.don't really know what you are meant to do when you see it and who you

:36:47. > :36:50.should talk to, because it is so normalised. You see it so much. I

:36:51. > :36:55.see some any people in the industry who do what I do get the same

:36:56. > :37:01.messages and comments. It is one of those things you are programmed to

:37:02. > :37:06.believe it is quite normal. Woody report something to the police? If I

:37:07. > :37:12.felt a genuine threat to my life, to my safety, I would. You say you have

:37:13. > :37:20.death threats, but you wouldn't report those? I personally try not

:37:21. > :37:26.to take it literally. I hope it is just what you see on there. But for

:37:27. > :37:35.someone else that might not be the case. Paul, where would you draw the

:37:36. > :37:38.line? If you feel you have been intimidated, and certainly if you

:37:39. > :37:43.are receiving threats online, they should be reported. What you are

:37:44. > :37:47.saying is absolutely right. It depends on the individual. You

:37:48. > :37:53.shouldn't have to just grin and bear this sort of intimidation. In online

:37:54. > :37:56.spaces you can have a mob intimidating you. If you imagine

:37:57. > :38:03.that on the street, you would report that. You should think about the

:38:04. > :38:07.equivalence. If we don't crack down on online hate crime, it will get

:38:08. > :38:11.worse and seep into other forms of hate crime. Is there a direct link

:38:12. > :38:17.between someone doing something online and feeling emboldened to

:38:18. > :38:24.speak out? Or is it someone sitting quietly at the keyboard feeling that

:38:25. > :38:29.they will get away with it, and remains defiant? I haven't read any

:38:30. > :38:35.research which shows that direct link. If you'd think, through common

:38:36. > :38:39.sense, if we say it is permissible to have this sort of hatred online,

:38:40. > :38:46.people will feel emboldened and feel like this is permissible in society.

:38:47. > :38:49.Online spaces are so important in societies and communities that we

:38:50. > :38:53.should be cracking down on this hate online, where it is more prevalent

:38:54. > :38:57.than on the streets. We don't want to increase hate crime in the street

:38:58. > :39:03.as well. Olivia, have you had a face-to-face abuse as well? No, I

:39:04. > :39:07.haven't. That is the confusing thing about these situations. All the

:39:08. > :39:13.reaction I have had in public has been positive. It doesn't match up.

:39:14. > :39:17.There is something quite wrong there. There is a whole community of

:39:18. > :39:22.people online that feel so passionately against me in this way.

:39:23. > :39:26.But when I am out on a day-to-day basis, people are lovely, it is all

:39:27. > :39:32.positive. It doesn't weigh up. Sheila has had abuse face-to-face

:39:33. > :39:39.but not online. What has your experience been? Yeah, obviously I

:39:40. > :39:44.am a black woman, so I have experienced racism ever since I was

:39:45. > :39:54.a child in the street. You get people shouting at you from cars. It

:39:55. > :39:57.can come at any point. I was confronted with my friend by people

:39:58. > :40:03.in the street because they felt like that at that point in time. They saw

:40:04. > :40:08.us as a target. I have had it on the train. You get it at work sometimes.

:40:09. > :40:13.It is kind of a regular occurrence. Do you think it is right to treat

:40:14. > :40:18.online abuse as harshly as off-line? Absolutely. Even though I haven't

:40:19. > :40:22.been a victim of online abuse myself, I have friends who have been

:40:23. > :40:26.victims of online abuse. I have witnessed the online abuse that a

:40:27. > :40:31.lot of people who are in the public eye received. It can be just

:40:32. > :40:37.psychologically taxing and damaging, just like other abuse. Even though I

:40:38. > :40:40.have managed to get through life, you still take it with you. You can

:40:41. > :40:47.actually be quite frightening to know that somebody who is not in any

:40:48. > :40:51.close proximity to you, still has a way of reaching you and getting to

:40:52. > :40:54.you. That is quite frightening. Paul, if someone is saying something

:40:55. > :40:58.online that they wouldn't say to someone's face, do they perhaps not

:40:59. > :41:05.really realise the impact of what they are doing, but also how serious

:41:06. > :41:10.an issue it is due macro particularly with kids, actually,

:41:11. > :41:14.because kids can potentially say anything online and not necessarily

:41:15. > :41:20.realise that what they are doing would equate with a crime? I think

:41:21. > :41:24.it is important, that's why we need to treat online hate crime as

:41:25. > :41:34.seriously. There is terrible bullying in our schools. Over halve

:41:35. > :41:37.of lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans children are abused at school. There

:41:38. > :41:42.is still an important lesson to be learned, whether somebody is a child

:41:43. > :41:46.or an adult, that this is never acceptable, that it does create

:41:47. > :41:49.psychological damage. People shouldn't feel like they can't be

:41:50. > :41:54.who they are, that they can't live their lives because of somebody

:41:55. > :41:59.else's violent hatred towards them. What is the way to deal with it if

:42:00. > :42:05.kids are doing the sort of things you are talking about? Does become a

:42:06. > :42:16.crime issue immediately? You can see in the CBS guidelines -- CPS

:42:17. > :42:19.guidelines, all the work we do with schools is educating children to

:42:20. > :42:23.think about the impact of what they are doing to their peers. Michael

:42:24. > :42:27.Lyndall has tweeted to say that we are in the slippery slopes of

:42:28. > :42:32.censorship. How will they balance this with the right of free speech?

:42:33. > :42:40.What do you think of the right for people to have free speech? I think

:42:41. > :42:44.it is not anything like that. I'm quite opinionated myself. There is a

:42:45. > :42:47.line between being opinionated and abusive. You can say you don't like

:42:48. > :42:53.someone and don't agree with what they do. But to be personal and

:42:54. > :42:58.threatening, that's two different things. Having an opinion on someone

:42:59. > :43:01.and watching a show and thinking, I'm not keen on that person, and

:43:02. > :43:04.writing that you want bad things to happen to them and their family,

:43:05. > :43:13.that is not an opinion. There is a massive difference. It's right for

:43:14. > :43:18.people to be pulled up where did they do this. Is it right for

:43:19. > :43:25.someone like you to say -- to go online and turn it back on them? I

:43:26. > :43:29.choose not to engage in it. I think a lot as well with people online,

:43:30. > :43:33.especially keyboard warriors were reality TV is concerned, they want

:43:34. > :43:36.to engage you. They feel they know you because they have watched you

:43:37. > :43:42.for an hour each day. What they would like is a reply. I'm not going

:43:43. > :43:46.to use precious energy in a day to do that with someone who has chosen

:43:47. > :43:50.to write into one of my social media accounts and give them the platform.

:43:51. > :43:56.After today with the CBS saying that they want part of the thing going

:43:57. > :43:59.forward is for people to feel emboldened to report online abuse,

:44:00. > :44:04.if it is appropriate, does it make you feel differently about it? Yes,

:44:05. > :44:08.I think it needs to come to a point, were speaking to other people who

:44:09. > :44:14.have been in a situation like me, we are normalising it. Where are all

:44:15. > :44:19.just acting like it is normal. That is their problem. When it happens,

:44:20. > :44:22.you need somebody you could speak to and you don't feel you are

:44:23. > :44:26.overreacting. That there is a number you can call and it can be dealt

:44:27. > :44:33.with in an appropriate way. And you feel like that is your lifetime, as

:44:34. > :44:37.such. I have had this message, what should I do? Somebody can advise

:44:38. > :44:43.you. Do people stop when you ignore them? Yeah, on the whole. When I was

:44:44. > :44:48.in the show, when I was in the villa, it was relentless towards my

:44:49. > :44:51.family and friends. It was terrible for them because they took the

:44:52. > :44:59.burden of it. I was ignorant of it. They didn't stop. We had to block

:45:00. > :45:04.people and delete accounts. When I came out of the show I am a real

:45:05. > :45:07.person. It did massively taper off. People can see, she is a normal

:45:08. > :45:11.girl, she was on the show. It has got a lot less. But for them it was

:45:12. > :45:17.terrible. An interesting point about Olivia

:45:18. > :45:21.saying people have the distinction, where she is on television and not a

:45:22. > :45:25.real person. You have experienced something completely different to

:45:26. > :45:32.where people are just rude to you face-to-face. Do you ever reported?

:45:33. > :45:38.No, I am sad to say I don't. Both online and offline, it is something

:45:39. > :45:44.we believe we are supposed to learn to adapt to, something that we are

:45:45. > :45:49.supposed to grow a thick skin around and except. And I think everyone on

:45:50. > :45:53.this show is absolutely right, that actually we don't have to accept it.

:45:54. > :45:59.There is the option for us to complain about it and to get some

:46:00. > :46:02.justice behind it. And I think a big part of the reason why people

:46:03. > :46:08.experience a difference in real life to online is because these people

:46:09. > :46:14.are emboldened behind a screen, they feel protected, they feel anonymous.

:46:15. > :46:18.Even though I have a face-to-face abuse, there were incidences where

:46:19. > :46:22.people were shouting out of cars is the equivalent, driving away,

:46:23. > :46:26.whereas I am walking on the street, so I am never going to know who that

:46:27. > :46:32.person was, they are gone within a few seconds. So I think it is

:46:33. > :46:38.absolutely important, absolutely. Sheila, Olivia, Paul, thank you for

:46:39. > :46:44.joining us, led us know your thoughts on the conversation, the

:46:45. > :46:56.usual ways of getting in touch. Coming up, arthritis.

:46:57. > :46:58.Ten million people in the UK suffer from it,

:46:59. > :47:00.including young people and children, but campaigners say it is being

:47:01. > :47:03.ignored as a major health issue and costing the NHS billions.

:47:04. > :47:06.Sir Mo Farah has won his last track race on home soil

:47:07. > :47:10.in the 3,000m at the Diamond League meeting in Birmingham.

:47:11. > :47:34.It has been a successful final month for Sir Mo.

:47:35. > :47:41.First day, I went in and everybody was just sort of speaking

:47:42. > :47:43.a different language, I found that really

:47:44. > :47:47.But I got my cousins going to the same school as me,

:47:48. > :47:50.but everything that I would tell in Somalian, it was just like,

:47:51. > :47:54.If it wasn't for my PE teacher, who spotted me in the school,

:47:55. > :47:57.I don't think I would be in this position.

:47:58. > :48:06.What motivates me is to try and do the country proud.

:48:07. > :48:11.Now I just want to do the best and, you know, continue winning.

:48:12. > :48:14.And this is the sight that everybody has come to see.

:48:15. > :48:31.The final win for Mo Farah in Britain!

:48:32. > :48:35.It's important you have the right people in your life.

:48:36. > :48:37.And I think that's what it is, very important.

:48:38. > :48:44.The people that have the best interest for you.

:48:45. > :48:46.When I run for my country, I'm very proud.

:48:47. > :48:49.This is where I grew up, this is where I've done everything.

:48:50. > :49:02.And you don't achieve something overnight.

:49:03. > :49:06.You've got to keep continuing and keep working hard.

:49:07. > :49:08.And sometimes, you know, things don't go the way you want,

:49:09. > :49:22.but you've got to come over it and keep going, moving forward.

:49:23. > :49:26.Let's speak now to Alex McGee, who is Mo Farah's first ever coach.

:49:27. > :49:28.He worked with him at the Windsor Slough Eton

:49:29. > :49:30.and Hounslow Athletic Club from the age of 12

:49:31. > :49:37.We also have Goldie Sayers who, as well as being an elected member

:49:38. > :49:39.of UK Athletics newly-formed athletes' commission,

:49:40. > :49:41.she is the recently retired British javelin record holder

:49:42. > :49:46.She has known Mo since they were on the junior athletics

:49:47. > :49:52.And we can also from Limerick, we can talk to John Kiely,

:49:53. > :49:55.who is a sports and exercise scientist and used to be head

:49:56. > :50:04.He worked with Mo between 2005 and 2008 to get him ready for Beijing.

:50:05. > :50:10.Thank you all very much for joining us. He has been an absolute tour de

:50:11. > :50:15.force that people have fallen in love with, hasn't he? Tell us what

:50:16. > :50:23.he was like when he was 12. Any typical 12-year-old child. He used

:50:24. > :50:27.to come training, he didn't speak much English, so it was a lot of

:50:28. > :50:31.hand things to get him to understand, initially, what he had

:50:32. > :50:36.to do. But he was just like any young person I was coaching then.

:50:37. > :50:46.Was there a spark, an obvious talent that you spotted? Not until the

:50:47. > :50:53.first league match at Perivale, I was timekeeping, as I normally did,

:50:54. > :51:02.and he did the 1500... Sorry, when was that? Not long after he came to

:51:03. > :51:06.the club. He was still 12, and he ran 4.44, and I loved that Alan and

:51:07. > :51:12.said, where as that come from? It wasn't until he got on the track

:51:13. > :51:25.that he felt Rob Lee at home, comfortable. 4.4 for at Did he

:51:26. > :51:33.realise how special and was? What did you say to him? Well done, just

:51:34. > :51:37.keep working at it. He was only a young child, my thoughts were you do

:51:38. > :51:44.not try and encourage them to bar, you want them to build up gradually,

:51:45. > :51:53.then tell them. What were you thinking at the time? This is a

:51:54. > :51:57.future British Olympian? No, future good athlete at that time, because

:51:58. > :52:05.obviously he had not done training or anything like that, and it wasn't

:52:06. > :52:11.until his first cross-country race, he got to the English schools, and

:52:12. > :52:15.he may have won it had he not gone the wrong way because he had never

:52:16. > :52:20.done cross-country, and he couldn't understand which way the marshals

:52:21. > :52:26.were telling him to go. So we didn't always win? No, he didn't always

:52:27. > :52:34.win. What did he do when he didn't win? Sulked! Did it renew his focus?

:52:35. > :52:40.They just gradually built up, and as it got into the races, it became

:52:41. > :52:45.evident after a few finals that he got into, through the age groups,

:52:46. > :52:52.that he liked winning. He didn't like losing. That became evident,

:52:53. > :52:58.but much later on. John, you worked with him in 2005, a lot later, to

:52:59. > :53:03.get him ready for Beijing, how important is it, with someone

:53:04. > :53:11.showing great talent, to actually properly channel that talent? It is

:53:12. > :53:17.a complex part with lots of potential pitfalls, and it is a time

:53:18. > :53:21.when lots of promising athletes fall off the radar, really, because of

:53:22. > :53:28.mismanagement, overtraining, injury, any host of problems that might

:53:29. > :53:31.cause them to pack it in. The time that I worked with Mo, he was

:53:32. > :53:38.working with a very group from St Mary's in London, run by a former

:53:39. > :53:47.steeplechase Olympic medallist, really good group, really well

:53:48. > :53:53.managed. I think that Mo at the time wasn't... You know, he was one of a

:53:54. > :53:57.host of good up and coming athletes, but he was not identified as a

:53:58. > :54:01.future world beater. I think what he did have from the get go was he

:54:02. > :54:09.brought some talents to the table that other people didn't have. So if

:54:10. > :54:17.you think of endurance running, it is an event which historic Lee

:54:18. > :54:24.people have tried to quantify with scientific measures. -- which

:54:25. > :54:27.historically. There were lots of athlete at the time around the UK

:54:28. > :54:33.who had better oxygen carrying capabilities than Mo, but what he

:54:34. > :54:39.had in spades was he was an excellent move, excellent

:54:40. > :54:44.coordination, if you showed him a move, he would execute it really

:54:45. > :54:47.well. It is something that we do not normally look for, something that

:54:48. > :54:51.endurance athletes do not normally train for, but he brought that to

:54:52. > :54:55.the party and had it in spades. It properly goes back to a very active

:54:56. > :55:00.youth, played a lot of football, but a very real talent for whatever

:55:01. > :55:04.reason. OK, I want to bring in Goldie, you have known him since you

:55:05. > :55:10.were on the junior athletics team together, how did you see him? He

:55:11. > :55:14.was clearly talented, but all Mo, it is his work ethic that has set him

:55:15. > :55:19.apart, and his will to win as well. To do what he has done, I think most

:55:20. > :55:25.athletes are happy if they have won one world or Olympic title, but he

:55:26. > :55:29.has won 14, so not only his ability but is longevity has been so

:55:30. > :55:34.impressive for me. Impressive over the years, and still impressive with

:55:35. > :55:41.him going out now - widely think he is going out now? The nature of the

:55:42. > :55:46.event he does, the mileage he does, 120 miles a week for well over a

:55:47. > :55:49.decade, I have known him for 20 years, and he was always a

:55:50. > :55:53.long-distance athlete, so not only the physical capability, the mental

:55:54. > :55:57.energy that goes into winning titles, and I think that starts to

:55:58. > :56:02.wane as you get over the age of 34, which he is now. He spoke after

:56:03. > :56:08.winning the medal at the World Athletics Championships about the

:56:09. > :56:13.impact on him of the Salazar allegations, it was clear that it

:56:14. > :56:17.has had an impact on him, what is your, knowing the man, what is your

:56:18. > :56:21.understanding of that? It absolutely must have done, and we have to

:56:22. > :56:26.remember this is an allegation against his coach, not against him,

:56:27. > :56:31.and it is going to have an impact on his career, and what he doesn't want

:56:32. > :56:35.it to do is have an in impact on his legacy and all the thousands of kids

:56:36. > :56:39.he has inspired, and the other team members as well. We have to remember

:56:40. > :56:43.what he has done, not only for himself and his family, but the

:56:44. > :56:49.sport in the UK as well. How would you define his legacy? One-off, if

:56:50. > :56:54.not our greatest athlete of all time, truly an inspiration to kids

:56:55. > :56:57.and also distance runners in this country, because ten or 15 years

:56:58. > :57:02.ago, if you said we have an Olympic champion in long-distance evidence,

:57:03. > :57:07.against the Kenyans, Ethiopians, most people would have laughed, and

:57:08. > :57:12.Mo has made it possible for the next generation. What do you think going

:57:13. > :57:16.forward, John, is he going to be able to be at the top of the

:57:17. > :57:23.marathon world, which is where he is going? I think he certainly has all

:57:24. > :57:29.the tools to do that, but the physical tools and the psychological

:57:30. > :57:33.tools in terms of the knows what it takes, he knows what it takes to,

:57:34. > :57:39.you know, conduct those endless miles of routine training away from

:57:40. > :57:45.the camera. He is well used to that, and as Goldie alluded to, it is

:57:46. > :57:49.difficult to predict in terms of how much wear and tear there already is

:57:50. > :57:53.in the system, and when it will actually start to have a negative

:57:54. > :57:58.effect on performance, and that is something that nobody can predict. I

:57:59. > :58:01.think, to date, one of the great things with Mo is he is both

:58:02. > :58:05.physically and psychologically robust and resilient. Hopefully,

:58:06. > :58:10.that resilience psychologically, emotionally, physically will

:58:11. > :58:13.continue. If it does, then I can't see why he can't have an excellent

:58:14. > :58:19.marathon career. I guess whether or not he goes an to the heights that

:58:20. > :58:26.he did on the track remains to be seen. Alex, just looking at these

:58:27. > :58:31.great pictures of Mo Farah, the absolute joy on his face when he

:58:32. > :58:36.achieves that great success, everybody watching at home feels

:58:37. > :58:39.pride. As someone who has played a part in shaping him into the great

:58:40. > :58:45.athlete that he became, how do you feel when you watch them? Pride?

:58:46. > :58:52.Just as when he was younger, you know, it did go over onto his

:58:53. > :58:57.colleagues, you know, the other athletes he ran with. I mean, I

:58:58. > :59:02.think there was one stage when he had to move on, and I wasn't sure,

:59:03. > :59:09.he was going to go and train with someone else, people who I coached

:59:10. > :59:14.at the same time as well, and there was that age gap. But he looked up

:59:15. > :59:20.to them, and he really looked up to Sam a lot. So it was probably later

:59:21. > :59:27.on, we used to go out to bushy park, the Kenyans would-be there, and I

:59:28. > :59:32.would say, Manors, don't go so fast, you are not raising anybody, but he

:59:33. > :59:40.was, he was racing the Kenyans. Lovely to talk to you all, thank you

:59:41. > :59:44.very much, Alex, Goldie, John. Let us know what you think of that great

:59:45. > :59:46.career. Simon King has the weather details.

:59:47. > :59:50.where people are just rude to you face-to-face. Do you ever reported?

:59:51. > :59:56.A brief warm spell heading our way in the next couple of days. This

:59:57. > :00:02.morning we'll start of misty and murky. This is the scene in Kent.

:00:03. > :00:09.Lots of cloud. Further east, there are some sunny spells. Not too bad

:00:10. > :00:13.in Hartlepool. Sunshine here. In the north-east, you will keep that

:00:14. > :00:17.sunshine into the late afternoon. Elsewhere, it is turning quite

:00:18. > :00:23.cloudy. This warm front is moving north. Behind it, we have warmer,

:00:24. > :00:27.tropical air from the south. It will feel quite humid in parts of the UK.

:00:28. > :00:31.That will bring outbreaks of rain in the north. They should be some

:00:32. > :00:37.breaks in the cloud developing in the South. Where you get sunshine,

:00:38. > :00:41.temperatures probably higher than these temperatures suggest. For the

:00:42. > :00:45.North Midlands, North West England, North Wales, the Isle of Man,

:00:46. > :00:51.Northern Ireland, heavy rain expected. But in north-eastern

:00:52. > :00:58.Scotland, holding onto the sunny spells with temperatures 16 to 18.

:00:59. > :01:04.There is the great American eclipse this evening. In the UK we may

:01:05. > :01:10.actually see a partial eclipse around about eight o'clock. Look to

:01:11. > :01:15.the bottom left-hand corner of the sun, safely, and you will see the

:01:16. > :01:19.Moon passing about 10% of the surface. But for this evening it is

:01:20. > :01:25.cloudy. It will stay cloudy into the early hours of Tuesday. Quite a

:01:26. > :01:32.humid night. Temperatures 16 degrees. Further rain in the north.

:01:33. > :01:36.The warm front has shown... More of us in this warm sector, this

:01:37. > :01:41.tropical air mass. Warmer from any. Still cloudy skies, outbreaks of

:01:42. > :01:45.rain, particularly in Northern Ireland and Western Scotland.

:01:46. > :01:54.Thundery through Tuesday afternoon. Temperatures 22 to 24 degrees. 15 to

:01:55. > :01:58.17 in Scotland. This warm air will be with us for the next few days but

:01:59. > :02:02.then that will gradually move away as we get to midweek. From

:02:03. > :02:09.Wednesday, fresher conditions from the West. By Thursday, all of us out

:02:10. > :02:14.of those fresher conditions. Temperatures dropping. It will stay

:02:15. > :02:16.fairly unsettled. Outbreaks of rain. Showers on Thursday with sunny

:02:17. > :02:18.spells. I will see you later on.

:02:19. > :02:20.Hello, it's Monday, it's ten o'clock.

:02:21. > :02:25.I'm Joanna Gosling welcome to the programme.

:02:26. > :02:33.Cracking down on online abuse. Now it will be treated the same as any

:02:34. > :02:38.other hate crime. Love Island's Olivia says the relentless abuse

:02:39. > :02:45.people put up which should not be tolerated. I am opinionated myself

:02:46. > :02:49.but there is a line between being opinionated and being abusive. You

:02:50. > :02:52.can say you don't agree with people. Put to be personal allowance

:02:53. > :02:56.threatening, that's two different things. You can see the full

:02:57. > :03:03.interview on our programme page online. We investigate the charity

:03:04. > :03:04.scammers taking advantage of people's desire to help those in

:03:05. > :03:06.need. Was that a one-off

:03:07. > :03:09.or more widespread? I would say about 80%

:03:10. > :03:20.of us were doing it. We will hear from the charity

:03:21. > :03:26.regulator and a woman whose charity to raise funds for her son's

:03:27. > :03:28.cerebral palsy was scammed. This is Vicky, hours before she was

:03:29. > :03:34.diagnosed with stage for a long cancer. Doctors had repeatedly told

:03:35. > :03:36.her her symptoms were as Ma. She will give her first TV interview in

:03:37. > :03:44.about 45 minutes. Now let's join Matthew for a summary

:03:45. > :03:47.of the news. Hate crimes committed online should

:03:48. > :03:50.be pursued as seriously as offences carried out face to face,

:03:51. > :03:52.according to new guidelines for prosecutors

:03:53. > :03:56.in England and Wales. The Crown Prosecution Service

:03:57. > :04:00.says it will seek tougher penalties for abuse on social media,

:04:01. > :04:03.which it says could lead to the type of extremist hate seen

:04:04. > :04:10.in Charlottesville in the US. The move is part of a wider review

:04:11. > :04:15.of such crimes by the CPS. We know this is a crime

:04:16. > :04:16.that's underreported. Sometimes people feel that they just

:04:17. > :04:19.have to sort of put up with it, it's something that happens

:04:20. > :04:22.to them because they're disabled, because they are gay, because

:04:23. > :04:24.they're a particular religion. So we're really

:04:25. > :04:28.encouraging people to think about the behaviours that

:04:29. > :04:31.are shown to them and to think about reporting things which

:04:32. > :04:46.will be a hate crime. Reality TV star Olivia Attwood said

:04:47. > :04:50.she has been a victim of online abuse, but she says celebrities are

:04:51. > :04:53.almost expected to tolerate hateful comments as a result of being in the

:04:54. > :04:57.public eye. When I was in the show a lot of the

:04:58. > :05:02.abuse was directed at my family because I was in the bubble of Love

:05:03. > :05:07.Island. Since I came out, it has all been online. A lot of it I couldn't

:05:08. > :05:12.repeat on breakfast television. Can you give us a censored version? It

:05:13. > :05:20.is pretty severe. Death threats. People making personal comments.

:05:21. > :05:23.Death threats? How many? A significant amount. What do they

:05:24. > :05:26.say? Things like, you should die. The US navy says ten of its sailors

:05:27. > :05:29.are missing and five have been injured after one of its warships

:05:30. > :05:33.collided with an oil tanker off It's the second serious collision

:05:34. > :05:35.involving an American President Trump has said his

:05:36. > :05:38.thoughts and prayers Spanish police are investigating

:05:39. > :05:44.a possible link between Thursday's attacks in Spain, and assaults

:05:45. > :05:46.by so-called Islamic State Authorities believe the Iman,

:05:47. > :05:53.Abdelbaki Es Satty, may have radicalised younger members

:05:54. > :05:55.of the cell, which carried out the Las Ramblas

:05:56. > :05:59.and Cambrils atrocities. They're also investigating

:06:00. > :06:01.whether he was involved in the bombings at Brussels airport

:06:02. > :06:04.and a metro station in the city, More people will die from fires

:06:05. > :06:15.started by faulty white goods, if ministers do not act

:06:16. > :06:17.to implement safety guidelines. That's according to

:06:18. > :06:19.the London Fire Brigade, They've sent a letter

:06:20. > :06:24.to Theresa May in response to the Grenfell Tower fire,

:06:25. > :06:26.which it's thought was started It warns some products

:06:27. > :06:31.are still being sold Big Ben will ring out today,

:06:32. > :06:44.for what could be the last time in four years, as the Houses

:06:45. > :06:46.of Parliament undergo The bells will be muted

:06:47. > :06:50.for the longest period Some MPs have criticised the plan,

:06:51. > :06:53.saying the bell's chimes are an important part

:06:54. > :07:04.of national life. You can listen to those final bongs

:07:05. > :07:08.live at midday. Here's a very good example

:07:09. > :07:11.of why not to use a mobile Look what happened when a sinkhole

:07:12. > :07:14.opened up at this crossing A scooter driver who was on his

:07:15. > :07:21.mobile didn't realise - Don't worry though, luckily

:07:22. > :07:34.he walked away unharmed. That is a summary of the latest BBC

:07:35. > :07:38.News. More at half past ten. Those pictures are unbelievable.

:07:39. > :07:41.Still to come, the hunt for the driver who killed 13 people in

:07:42. > :07:47.Barcelona last week has been extended across Europe. Spanish

:07:48. > :07:52.officials say. We will have latest. We also have more on a warning from

:07:53. > :07:56.London Fire Brigade, the mayor of London and safety groups that more

:07:57. > :07:59.people will die from fires started by faulty white goods, if the

:08:00. > :08:02.government doesn't implement guidelines made more than a year

:08:03. > :08:14.ago. Get in touch throughout the morning. Now the sport.

:08:15. > :08:18.Chelsea manager Antonio Conte is warning top number of other clubs

:08:19. > :08:23.will relish the atmosphere at Wembley. Marcos Alonso scored twice

:08:24. > :08:28.as the blues beat Spurs 2-1 in their first league game at the National

:08:29. > :08:33.Stadium. Spurs have won on the two of the 11 games they have played at

:08:34. > :08:37.Wembley since it reopened in 2007. Conte says the atmosphere is great

:08:38. > :08:40.for visiting teams. But the Tottenham manager insists his

:08:41. > :08:51.players can cope. It doesn't affect me. But I understand that we need to

:08:52. > :08:58.talk. Today I think the Wembley effect is not the reason, because we

:08:59. > :09:04.lose the game. I think the team played really well. It is not fair

:09:05. > :09:11.to blame again Wembley, because Wembley is, for me, one of the best

:09:12. > :09:16.places in the world, if not the best place to play football.

:09:17. > :09:19.There was a minute's silence before Barcelona's match against Real Betis

:09:20. > :09:24.last night, the first match since the terror attacks last week.

:09:25. > :09:35.Players wore shirts with Barcelona on the back. They won the match 2-0.

:09:36. > :09:39.Mo Farah has won his last ever track race in Britain with victory in the

:09:40. > :09:48.men's 3000 metres at the Birmingham Diamond League meeting. He took the

:09:49. > :09:54.gold in the 10,000 metres at the London World Championships, adding

:09:55. > :09:57.to the titles he holds. His last track race will be next week in

:09:58. > :10:00.Zurich after that he is switching to road racing.

:10:01. > :10:06.What you forget as an athlete, it becomes something of a hobby, it

:10:07. > :10:12.becomes a job. I love what I do. It is part of it. It can get real hard

:10:13. > :10:18.when you have so much pressure. You can't go anywhere. Going to the road

:10:19. > :10:21.will be a completely new game, a new mind.

:10:22. > :10:25.I'm excited. Great Britain have won the team gold medal at the European

:10:26. > :10:30.eventing Championships in Poland. Nicola Wilson took individual

:10:31. > :10:34.bronze, she could afford two penalties to afford the team gold

:10:35. > :10:39.but managed a perfect run. Germany claimed team silver, with Sweden

:10:40. > :10:48.finishing third. The USA have won the Solheim Cup after beating Europe

:10:49. > :10:54.in Iowa. The Americans had taken a commanding five point lead into the

:10:55. > :10:59.final day's singles. It proved too much, despite a spirited European

:11:00. > :11:05.performance. The United States have now won five out of the last seven

:11:06. > :11:09.competitions. And finally, Zlatan Ibrahimovic has been showing off

:11:10. > :11:13.just how strong his knee is. Almost strong enough to return to football.

:11:14. > :11:23.He has posted a video of himself kicking a punching bag. He posted,

:11:24. > :11:28.which need? He remains out of contract and without a club. He is

:11:29. > :11:32.still wanted by Manchester United if he can return to full fitness. That

:11:33. > :11:37.is all from me for now. More at 10:30am.

:11:38. > :11:44.Some breaking news out of Marseille in France. We are just hearing from

:11:45. > :11:50.the Reuters news agency that at least one person is dead and one

:11:51. > :11:54.injured in Marseille after a car has crashed into two bus shelters. A

:11:55. > :12:03.police source has said it is not clear if the incident was an

:12:04. > :12:07.accident or deliberate. They are advising that the public avoid the

:12:08. > :12:11.area. It has happened in the old Port district of Marseille. That is

:12:12. > :12:17.all that we have at the moment. These early reports coming in from

:12:18. > :12:21.the Reuters news agency of an accident in Marseille. One person

:12:22. > :12:26.dead and one person injured after a crash in Marseille. It is not clear

:12:27. > :12:27.if the incident was an accident or deliberate. We will stay across

:12:28. > :12:29.those reports and keep you updated. An investigation by the Victoria

:12:30. > :12:31.Derbyshire programme has found scammers are increasingly taking

:12:32. > :12:34.advantage of the good will of people looking to make donations to help

:12:35. > :12:39.in the aftermath of major tragedies. The UK's fraud reporting centre,

:12:40. > :12:42.Action Fraud, has shown us examples of fake fund-raising websites set up

:12:43. > :12:44.in the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower fire that they've

:12:45. > :12:48.managed to take down. But we've also found

:12:49. > :12:50.examples of organisations which look like charities

:12:51. > :12:52.but aren't raising So how sure are you that your

:12:53. > :12:56.donated cash is going With more than 200,000 registered

:12:57. > :13:05.charities in the UK, you're not going to struggle to find

:13:06. > :13:08.a good cause to donate your Last year, the British

:13:09. > :13:14.public donated around So, how can we be sure

:13:15. > :13:20.that the money that we give on the street or online is actually

:13:21. > :13:22.going to the causes We're buying mobility scooters

:13:23. > :13:26.for disabled adults and children. Superman here is Salim

:13:27. > :13:29.Sayed, or Super Si. He is raising money for something

:13:30. > :13:32.called The Happiness Foundation, which claims it buys mobility

:13:33. > :13:36.scooters for local people. That sounds great, but it

:13:37. > :13:39.might not be the case. This Happiness Foundation is not

:13:40. > :13:42.a registered company or charity. Fundraising like this is not

:13:43. > :13:45.illegal, but it makes it very hard to check that they do

:13:46. > :13:48.what they claim. Online, a number of people have

:13:49. > :13:51.raised concerns about this There was two complaints

:13:52. > :13:58.in 2014 on the Happiness And this has been a problem

:13:59. > :14:01.for a not-for-profit company also We were presenting to

:14:02. > :14:07.football's governing bodies, But I felt embarrassed

:14:08. > :14:15.because I knew that if they did a search, perhaps that

:14:16. > :14:17.would come up. We tried to talk to Salim Sayed, but

:14:18. > :14:21.he hasn't responded to our messages. We did manage to track down

:14:22. > :14:24.one of the men behind the Happiness Foundation,

:14:25. > :14:26.Marcus Leavsley. He told us they weren't

:14:27. > :14:29.pretending to be Kath Temple's Happiness Foundation,

:14:30. > :14:32.and they do provide mobility scooters for disabled people -

:14:33. > :14:35.though he wouldn't show us any Hello, is Marcus Leavsley

:14:36. > :14:38.around, please? I've spoken to a man who admits

:14:39. > :14:53.he used to steal money He worked for companies that raised

:14:54. > :14:59.money for Armed Forces charities through bucket collections

:15:00. > :15:03.and competition ticket sales. But a big chunk of the cash ended up

:15:04. > :15:08.in his and his colleagues' pockets. Was that a one-off,

:15:09. > :15:13.or was this more widespread? I would say a good 80%

:15:14. > :15:16.of us were doing it. Did you not feel that

:15:17. > :15:19.you were taking advantage Solicitor Robert Craig

:15:20. > :15:25.is a specialist in charity law. He says the public need to take

:15:26. > :15:28.a careful look before donating I don't think you can expect

:15:29. > :15:35.the police to do much more than deal It's to do with, what's the public

:15:36. > :15:39.interest in pursuing it? And how likely are they

:15:40. > :15:44.to get a conviction? There were more than 800 reports

:15:45. > :15:48.to Action Fraud about suspected Some of them were trying to profit

:15:49. > :15:53.from recent disasters. A very recent example,

:15:54. > :15:55.and a very tragic example, would be websites and Just Giving

:15:56. > :15:58.pages being set up in support We set up a process where we could

:15:59. > :16:05.monitor any new websites that were being set up with a link

:16:06. > :16:08.to Grenfell Tower. On the first day we set up

:16:09. > :16:12.the process, one that we did establish was a fraudulent website,

:16:13. > :16:14.we managed to get that website taken down on the same day

:16:15. > :16:17.and the bank account blocked. So how do we avoid being

:16:18. > :16:19.duped by fake charities? The regulator, the Charity

:16:20. > :16:22.Commission, has this advice. Check that street fundraisers

:16:23. > :16:26.have a charity registration number. That they are happy to give further

:16:27. > :16:29.information when asked. And when donating online,

:16:30. > :16:31.avoid requests to give cash via money transfer companies.

:16:32. > :16:36.This is a common scam. The fast majority of

:16:37. > :16:38.fundraising is legitimate. But we found grey areas where

:16:39. > :16:40.it's all but impossible And there are scammers that

:16:41. > :16:46.are prepared to go to ever more sophisticated lengths to snatch

:16:47. > :16:49.money from those who most need it. With authorities' resources

:16:50. > :16:51.stretched, it increasingly falls to us to make sure that our cash

:16:52. > :16:59.is going where we want it to. Let's speak now to Sarah Atkinson

:17:00. > :17:01.from the regulator, the Charity Commission,

:17:02. > :17:05.Daniel Fluskey, from the Institute of Fundraising,

:17:06. > :17:08.which represents fundraisers, and Aline Garner, who set up

:17:09. > :17:23.a charity to help raise funds This Sarah will feel sick and that

:17:24. > :17:27.they are being targeted by scammers were never giving money. One of the

:17:28. > :17:32.brilliant things about this country is that people give generously when

:17:33. > :17:37.something happens, and it is awful when people exploit that goodwill

:17:38. > :17:40.for the wrong cause, but there are some simple checks that we encourage

:17:41. > :17:46.people to make to make sure they are giving to a genuine charity. How

:17:47. > :17:53.many scammers do you think might be out there? Action fraud have talked

:17:54. > :17:57.about 800 reports, and we think that is significant underreporting. A lot

:17:58. > :18:01.of people would not reported, but we encourage people, if you think you

:18:02. > :18:06.have avoided being the victim or you are a victim of fraud, please report

:18:07. > :18:12.it, it helps us track these people down. What is the oversight for

:18:13. > :18:16.unregistered charities? Does it come down to just people reporting? If an

:18:17. > :18:20.organisation is not a registered charity, but it is fundraising for

:18:21. > :18:24.good causes, there is not necessarily anything wrong with

:18:25. > :18:27.that, there can be good reasons why people would want to fundraiser

:18:28. > :18:31.outside the regulated environment, but you do not have the protection

:18:32. > :18:35.of registration, so people should still ask questions, be confident

:18:36. > :18:39.that you know where the money is going, and if someone cannot answer

:18:40. > :18:43.your questions or seems evasive, it is natural to feel uncomfortable and

:18:44. > :18:51.think, in these cases, I don't want to give there. As we are hearing, it

:18:52. > :18:58.is very easy for underage, and obviously it is a really important

:18:59. > :19:03.thing. -- it is very easy for people to fund raise. But it is also easy

:19:04. > :19:08.to exploit people's goodwill, so what is the best way to crack down

:19:09. > :19:14.on that? As Sarah said, the public should be on the lookout, and if you

:19:15. > :19:18.are thinking about donating to a charity, and most especially where

:19:19. > :19:22.there are big issues happening, emergencies or tragedies, people

:19:23. > :19:25.want to give, and we want to encourage that, but the more that

:19:26. > :19:31.people can have a look to check that it is going to a genuine cause, look

:19:32. > :19:37.for the charity number, to see if it is late, and if it is on the street,

:19:38. > :19:40.ask questions, see their ID badge, all those things will help people be

:19:41. > :19:45.more assurance that the money is going to a genuine cause. It means

:19:46. > :19:52.we all have to be more cynical, which is not nice, is it? You do not

:19:53. > :19:58.have to be cynical, you should always be able to ask questions, and

:19:59. > :20:01.charities should be open, upfront about how they raise funds. Make

:20:02. > :20:06.sure that you think it is going to a genuine cause, and then you can give

:20:07. > :20:19.safely and with confidence. Do think it is impacting on people actually

:20:20. > :20:22.giving? I do not think it is in relation to giving, the British

:20:23. > :20:26.public give about ?10 million every year. That is not to say that any

:20:27. > :20:31.instance of fraud is not important, of course it is, but this country is

:20:32. > :20:35.generous and people do want to support good causes. Linda has got

:20:36. > :20:39.in touch to say there are so many dishonest people around that I go to

:20:40. > :20:43.my local charity shops with goods and cash, I know they are getting my

:20:44. > :20:47.donations. Ray has e-mailed to say that people who carry out street

:20:48. > :20:53.collections should display an authorisation from the charity

:20:54. > :20:57.concerned. And on Twitter, I often get back through my door is asking

:20:58. > :21:01.for donations to be left outside, many I do not recognise as

:21:02. > :21:05.charities. I see what you are both saying as being alert, and we heard

:21:06. > :21:09.that in our report, ask questions, ask what they are raising the money

:21:10. > :21:15.for, how much is going to the charity. And also when they got a

:21:16. > :21:19.registered charity number. But in the end, is it simpler and easier

:21:20. > :21:23.for people not to give on the street? What do you think? It is a

:21:24. > :21:29.combination of your head and your heart, some really good advice for

:21:30. > :21:33.people giving to charities that they know, who are picking sensible

:21:34. > :21:38.routes to give, a way to ensure you are supporting a cause you love but

:21:39. > :21:41.also making sure you are not being exploited and your generosity is

:21:42. > :21:48.having the impact you want. We heard in our report about a scam that

:21:49. > :21:53.involved ?2 out of every ?10 going to a charity - is there a minimum

:21:54. > :21:57.that is charities should receive? Not in law, the rules are that you

:21:58. > :22:01.need to disclose how much you're giving, so if someone approaches you

:22:02. > :22:05.on the street and cannot answer questions or is evasive about how

:22:06. > :22:12.much they are getting as the fundraiser, that is a warning. They

:22:13. > :22:16.should be able to tell you. If it is in the small print and somebody

:22:17. > :22:21.doesn't ask, there is nothing wrong with it, then? It is perfectly legal

:22:22. > :22:25.for a professional fundraising organisation to take some money for

:22:26. > :22:33.its share. Not every charity works in that way, and if it is something

:22:34. > :22:39.you feel strongly about, choose charities that do not work in that

:22:40. > :22:43.way. There is no set minimum, but hearing 20% going to the agency,

:22:44. > :22:53.rather than to the charity, that wouldn't be acceptable. What should

:22:54. > :22:57.a rule of thumb the? I do not think we can said they limit, because

:22:58. > :23:05.different campaigns work in different ways, but a general rule

:23:06. > :23:07.would probably be around 70-80%, if not higher, would go straight

:23:08. > :23:11.through to the charity. The important thing is that every

:23:12. > :23:16.charity, when you are working with an agency, you agree upfront what

:23:17. > :23:21.the cost is going to be, you make a decision in the best interests of

:23:22. > :23:24.the charity, and I would really be concerned, charities were making

:23:25. > :23:28.decisions that said that only 20% should come through to us. I think

:23:29. > :23:32.that is where Sarah and her team would get involved and check the

:23:33. > :23:37.charity was being run properly, if they were making that kind of

:23:38. > :23:41.decision. Sarah, Daniel, thank you very much indeed for joining us.

:23:42. > :23:45.Still to come, the London Fire Brigade, the city's mayor,

:23:46. > :23:48.and safety groups have warned more people will die from fires started

:23:49. > :23:51.by faulty white goods if ministers do not act to implement safety

:23:52. > :23:57.We will talk to a woman who was made homeless after a fire in a tower

:23:58. > :24:02.block last year. I just want to bring you the latest

:24:03. > :24:06.on the breaking news out of Marseille, where we have been

:24:07. > :24:10.hearing from police that a car has given into two bus stops, one person

:24:11. > :24:18.killed, one person injured. The police are saying that they don't

:24:19. > :24:22.know at this stage accident or intentional, but the suspected

:24:23. > :24:27.driver has been arrested. So that incident still ongoing, it happened

:24:28. > :24:31.in the old port area of Marseille, and police are saying to avoid the

:24:32. > :24:34.area. We will stay across those reports and keep you updated.

:24:35. > :24:40.The manhunt for the driver of the Barcelona van attack which killed 13

:24:41. > :24:44.people and injured dozens more has been extended across Europe,

:24:45. > :24:48.officials in Spain have revealed this morning. 22-year-old Younes

:24:49. > :24:52.Abouyaaqoub has still not been found. It is feared he may have fled

:24:53. > :24:57.the country and slipped across the border into France. He was among 12

:24:58. > :25:02.extremists that Spanish police said had been planning attacks for around

:25:03. > :25:06.six months. Meanwhile, the Spanish newspaper El Pais has released

:25:07. > :25:09.stills from CCTV showing what is believed to be Younes Abouyaaqoub

:25:10. > :25:13.fleeing the scene on foot following the attack in Barcelona's Las

:25:14. > :25:16.Ramblas. Police say they are investigating the possibility that,

:25:17. > :25:24.90 minutes later, he stabbed and killed a Spanish man and stole his

:25:25. > :25:28.car. Yesterday it was revealed that a seven-year-old British Australian

:25:29. > :25:30.boy, Julian Cadman, was among the victims who died in the attacks in

:25:31. > :25:34.Barcelona and Campbells. Let's speak to Dr Shiraz Maher,

:25:35. > :25:37.who is an expert on radicalisation from King's College London,

:25:38. > :25:39.and Will Geddes, who is an expert

:25:40. > :25:54.on counter terrorism. Thank you both for coming in. The

:25:55. > :26:04.focus now is on a man who is an imam who was working in a town where the

:26:05. > :26:08.attackers were based. Tell us more about him, what is known about him?

:26:09. > :26:14.Well, we are learning a lot more about him, he has travelled to

:26:15. > :26:17.Belgium and been involved in network there, and he is known to have a

:26:18. > :26:22.number of radical connections down in Spain, he spent time in prison as

:26:23. > :26:29.well, and it is believed he had connections to the men who carried

:26:30. > :26:32.out the 2004 Madrid bombings in the name of Al-Qaeda. So it seems he has

:26:33. > :26:37.a pattern of associations with radical networks, and it is believed

:26:38. > :26:43.he was involved in a bomb-making factory where an explosion went off

:26:44. > :26:48.prematurely. Looking back over what he is a spec to have been involved

:26:49. > :26:53.in, dating back to Madrid 2004, was he under surveillance? You would

:26:54. > :26:59.have been on the radar at some point in time. The Madrid bombings in

:27:00. > :27:04.2004, a lot of time has passed since then, so it is not clear if he was a

:27:05. > :27:07.person of injustice to the Spanish, Belgian French authorities, but it

:27:08. > :27:12.does demonstrate the scale of the problem that Europe as a whole is

:27:13. > :27:18.facing now. -- a person of interest. Isis has an least an unprecedented

:27:19. > :27:20.wave of terrorist attacks across the continent, overwhelming agencies in

:27:21. > :27:27.this country and on the continent. So the challenge and the scale of

:27:28. > :27:31.what is facing us right now is huge. Whenever something happens and we

:27:32. > :27:35.sort of look at the potential signposts, people involved, should

:27:36. > :27:40.they have been under better surveillance, what are your thoughts

:27:41. > :27:44.now with this as more emerges about the characters involved? Well, the

:27:45. > :27:49.interesting part is, in the wake of any kind of incident, is going to be

:27:50. > :27:52.gathering up the various morsels of intelligence and information about

:27:53. > :27:57.those that were connected, where they got their materials from, how

:27:58. > :28:00.they considered of those. So for example, the explosion just before

:28:01. > :28:04.the attack on Las Ramblas, they are looking at the component parts,

:28:05. > :28:11.there are 120 but then canisters that had been amassed. There was

:28:12. > :28:14.also some explosive, incredibly fragile, as they found out for

:28:15. > :28:19.themselves, and explosive component that was used in Paris and Belgium

:28:20. > :28:25.before. And they have also managed to apprehend the bomb maker, who

:28:26. > :28:29.will be a very valuable source of intelligence in terms of the levels

:28:30. > :28:33.of preparation, and also the wider network involved potentially. They

:28:34. > :28:41.believe this attack was planned for six months with a cell of 12. As you

:28:42. > :28:45.say, there was the explosion in what appeared to be a bomb factory. What

:28:46. > :28:50.you think about the level of surveillance there was and whether

:28:51. > :28:54.mistakes have been made? Again, because of the sheer number of

:28:55. > :28:58.suspects that have to be monitored, the problem is that people will drop

:28:59. > :29:00.off the priority list of the intelligence agencies because they

:29:01. > :29:07.only have finite resource to monitor them. If we look at Abdelbaki Es

:29:08. > :29:11.Satty, for example, although he had cross contamination, if you like,

:29:12. > :29:19.with one of the Madrid bombers five years ago, when he was imprisoned

:29:20. > :29:22.for smuggling crashes to Spain from Morocco, he was also connected to an

:29:23. > :29:26.operation run by Spanish intelligence in Barcelona of those

:29:27. > :29:31.that were propagating radicalisation materials. So he was very much on

:29:32. > :29:35.the peripherals. We have seen time and again that it is not necessarily

:29:36. > :29:40.the key priority targets but those on the outskirts who are moving up

:29:41. > :29:46.the ranks. In terms of who is getting sucked in, those involved in

:29:47. > :29:49.this attack are all young - what does that say about the way

:29:50. > :29:53.radicalisation is happening, who is vulnerable and why?

:29:54. > :30:01.We tend to find lots of young people drawn to these causes. They become

:30:02. > :30:08.involved in terrorist activity are travelling to Syria or Iraq. One of

:30:09. > :30:11.the interesting things to look at is how Isis has understood millennials.

:30:12. > :30:19.It understands how to connect with them. These are people who are

:30:20. > :30:24.thinking in 140 characters, not 140 pages. Al-Qaeda would release long

:30:25. > :30:29.books trying to recruit people. What Isis does is it produces a very

:30:30. > :30:32.binary, simplistic choice, which appeals to emotion, which naturally

:30:33. > :30:36.resonate with young people looking for a panacea, looking for a quick

:30:37. > :30:43.fix, looking utopia. Isis offer than that. Thank you very

:30:44. > :30:47.much. Still to come, 10 million people in the UK suffer from

:30:48. > :30:50.arthritis, including young people and children. But campaigners say it

:30:51. > :30:57.is being ignored as a major health issue and costing the NHS billions.

:30:58. > :31:02.And we talk to this woman, diagnosed with lung cancer last week. She has

:31:03. > :31:06.shared this photograph of herself taken hours before her devastating

:31:07. > :31:08.diagnosis, explaining when you have cancer you will not necessarily

:31:09. > :31:13.looked ill on the outside. Let's join Matthew for the news.

:31:14. > :31:16.Thank you. At least one person has been killed

:31:17. > :31:24.and one person is injured in the French city of Marseille,

:31:25. > :31:26.after a car crashed Police say the driver

:31:27. > :31:37.has been arrested. But they are not saying whether the

:31:38. > :31:39.incident is being treated as a terror attack or whether it is

:31:40. > :31:40.merely an accident. Spanish police are investigating

:31:41. > :31:42.a possible link between Thursday's attacks in Spain and assaults

:31:43. > :31:44.by so-called Islamic State Authorities believe an iman,

:31:45. > :31:49.Abdelbaki Es Satty, may have radicalised younger members

:31:50. > :31:54.of the cell, which carried out the Las Ramblas

:31:55. > :31:56.and Cambrils atrocities. They're also investigating

:31:57. > :31:58.whether he was involved in the bombings at Brussels airport

:31:59. > :32:01.and a metro station in the city, which killed 32

:32:02. > :32:08.people in March 2016. The suspect in last week's stabbing

:32:09. > :32:11.attack in Finland that left two people dead and eight injured,

:32:12. > :32:15.was identified in court documents on Monday as 18-year-old

:32:16. > :32:21.Abderrahman Mechkah. Police have previously described

:32:22. > :32:23.the suspect as an asylum seeker from Morocco, who deliberately

:32:24. > :32:28.targeted women in a stabbing spree on a market square

:32:29. > :32:32.in the southwestern town of Turku, in what is being investigated as

:32:33. > :32:37.the country's first terror attack. Hate crimes committed online should

:32:38. > :32:41.be treated as seriously as offences carried out face to face,

:32:42. > :32:44.according to new guidelines for The Crown Prosecution Service says

:32:45. > :32:49.it will seek tougher penalties for abuse on social media,

:32:50. > :32:52.which it says could lead to the type of extremist hate seen

:32:53. > :32:57.in Charlottesville in the US. The move is part of a wider review

:32:58. > :33:04.of such crimes by the CPS. The US navy says ten of its sailors

:33:05. > :33:07.are missing and five have been injured, after one of its warships

:33:08. > :33:10.collided with an oil tanker off It's the second serious collision

:33:11. > :33:13.involving an American President Trump has said his

:33:14. > :33:17.thoughts and prayers Big Ben will ring out today

:33:18. > :33:24.for the last time on a daily basis in four years,

:33:25. > :33:26.as the Houses of Parliament undergo The bells will be muted

:33:27. > :33:32.for the longest period Some MPs have criticised the plan,

:33:33. > :33:36.saying the bell's chimes are an important part

:33:37. > :33:51.of national life. We will have those final bongs at

:33:52. > :33:56.midday. But for now, back to you. Thank you very much.

:33:57. > :34:01.Now the sport. Antonio Conte believes other clubs will be

:34:02. > :34:05.inspired to play Tottenham at Wembley this season. Spurs are using

:34:06. > :34:11.the National Stadium as their home ground this season. They lost 2-1 to

:34:12. > :34:15.Chelsea yesterday, adding to their Wembley woes. Mo Farah and his

:34:16. > :34:19.British track career with victory in the 3000 metres in Birmingham. He is

:34:20. > :34:23.now switching to road racing but says as a kid he dreamt of running

:34:24. > :34:33.for Britain. Stuart Broad says he wants to play in the 2019 asses

:34:34. > :34:35.against Australia. He moved ahead of Sir Ian Botham's 383 wickets in

:34:36. > :34:37.England's first test thrashing of the West Indies at Edgbaston.

:34:38. > :34:38.Thank you. The UK's leading arthritis charity

:34:39. > :34:40.has told this programme the condition is a "major public

:34:41. > :34:43.health issue", and if it continues to be ignored it could

:34:44. > :34:45.cost the economy more The NHS says around 10 million

:34:46. > :34:51.people have arthritis, and that it affects people

:34:52. > :34:56.of all ages, including children. To raise awareness of the condition

:34:57. > :34:59.- which can cause high levels of pain and fatigue -

:35:00. > :35:01.Arthritis Research UK has released a report which examines the long

:35:02. > :35:04.term impact it could have on the economy, the health service,

:35:05. > :35:08.individuals with the illness Let's talk now to Kirran Gill,

:35:09. > :35:14.who was diagnosed with arthritis Robert Aggar, who ran

:35:15. > :35:17.marathons before Olivia Belle, who is head

:35:18. > :35:20.of external affairs And Dr Benjamin Ellis,

:35:21. > :35:36.who is a consultant rheumatologist Welcome all of you. Bolivia, you are

:35:37. > :35:43.putting out some statistics today because you want to raise awareness.

:35:44. > :35:47.Among the statistics, over 8% of the NHS budget is going to be spent on

:35:48. > :35:52.arthritis this year, more than 10 million people are living with it.

:35:53. > :35:55.Those stats may surprise people? I think they do surprise people and

:35:56. > :36:03.that is why we are running this campaign. We want to show the true

:36:04. > :36:08.impact arthritis has on individuals, and on the rest of society. And

:36:09. > :36:11.unless something changes in terms of awareness and understanding, we will

:36:12. > :36:19.continue to lose out on the talent and the contribution of many people.

:36:20. > :36:26.You were diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis six years ago. What impact

:36:27. > :36:29.has it got on your life? I can't underestimate the impact arthritis

:36:30. > :36:36.has had on my life, in all honesty. I was a teacher working full-time.

:36:37. > :36:41.Due to arthritis I have had to give up my career. I have ended up

:36:42. > :36:46.housebound and bedbound for more than 50% of the time. It has had a

:36:47. > :36:53.huge impact on my relationships. My financial status. And I feel like I

:36:54. > :36:59.am a prisoner in my own body, really. So described that? It is a

:37:00. > :37:07.bit like having a migraine in all of my joints. Along with that, is also

:37:08. > :37:13.a huge sense of fatigue. It is like a petrol gauge. If I were to say

:37:14. > :37:17.that I start the day on the red, the light is already on, and that has a

:37:18. > :37:24.huge impact on relationships. My friendships, for example. And also

:37:25. > :37:29.concentration, memory. Robert, describe what it is like for you

:37:30. > :37:35.living with arthritis? You used to run marathons. What is the impact

:37:36. > :37:39.been on you? About five years ago I was planning to retire. I'd worked

:37:40. > :37:44.for 42 years. I had put my arrangements in place. I was given

:37:45. > :37:48.approval to actually pack up. I was playing golf. I was doing a lot of

:37:49. > :37:52.physical activity. At the very same time I got these peculiar pains in

:37:53. > :37:56.my groin and my lower back. I had never experienced anything like it

:37:57. > :37:59.before. I went into the National Health Service system. I went to see

:38:00. > :38:05.different people. And eventually it was diagnosed that I had got, my hip

:38:06. > :38:09.had totally worn out. There was no cartilage left. It was just bone on

:38:10. > :38:13.bone. The only thing they could offer me was a total hip

:38:14. > :38:17.replacement. At the same time the consultant said to me, by the way,

:38:18. > :38:21.I've got some other bad news. The other one will not last longer

:38:22. > :38:25.either. I had been through nine months of not getting proper sleep,

:38:26. > :38:30.not being able to walk around the park. I couldn't drive my car. I

:38:31. > :38:36.pack up work and I was pretty much stuck indoors. It was a dreadful

:38:37. > :38:40.time for me. Eventually I got my hip replaced. I managed to get back out

:38:41. > :38:45.on the golf course. Within 18 months, sure enough the other one

:38:46. > :38:51.give up as well. I went back into the system, spent another 18 months

:38:52. > :38:56.waiting. Painful for you, expensive for the NHS. Exactly. Massively

:38:57. > :39:04.expensive for the NHS. My operation cost about ?25,000. You are putting

:39:05. > :39:09.these figures out today because you want to raise awareness. We have two

:39:10. > :39:12.people here who were two of many. What do you hope to achieve with the

:39:13. > :39:18.campaign? What practical differences? We are hoping that with

:39:19. > :39:21.arthritis being recognised as a public health priority, more

:39:22. > :39:25.information is accessible to people so that you can look after your

:39:26. > :39:29.muscular skeletal health, but also find out information about the

:39:30. > :39:36.different arthritis conditions that you might have. We also want more

:39:37. > :39:42.support to our health care professionals who are doing a

:39:43. > :39:45.fantastic job helping people. But actually, there are a variety of

:39:46. > :39:52.conditions under the term of arthritis. It is a load of

:39:53. > :39:58.information for GPs who are -- we're trying to retain. More

:39:59. > :40:03.conversations. Looking after muscular and skeletal health, Doctor

:40:04. > :40:08.Benjamin Ellis is there. Can people prevented? Is early diagnosis a good

:40:09. > :40:12.thing? You can't completely prevent your chances of getting arthritis

:40:13. > :40:16.but there is a lot to do you -- to reduce it. That includes being a

:40:17. > :40:22.healthy body weight, being physically active, it includes not

:40:23. > :40:28.smoking. Smoking is a cause of some arthritis. What are the symptoms

:40:29. > :40:33.people should look for? The first thing you might notice if you are

:40:34. > :40:38.developing arthritis is the beginning of pain, stiffness,

:40:39. > :40:42.difficulty moving. Those are the symptoms. Difficulty doing everyday

:40:43. > :40:47.tasks using your hands, reaching for things that previously had been

:40:48. > :40:50.easy. When you start to get those symptoms, is it too late? Is it

:40:51. > :40:56.going to get worse rather think you can do? Absolutely not. Early

:40:57. > :40:59.diagnosis is important. It is important to get a clear diagnosis.

:41:00. > :41:05.The treatment will be different. It will depend what sort of arthritis

:41:06. > :41:09.you have. If you have osteoarthritis like Robert, physical activity,

:41:10. > :41:12.losing weight can be important. If you have rumoured -- rheumatoid

:41:13. > :41:16.arthritis, you will need specialist treatment to control the immune

:41:17. > :41:24.system attacking your joints. One viewer says he is a retired GP. He

:41:25. > :41:28.feels a section of GPs do not have empathy because it is such a common

:41:29. > :41:33.condition and they are opposed to the use of strong painkillers like

:41:34. > :41:36.opiates. They need to be more researchers and more research to

:41:37. > :41:43.alleviate the suffering. How were you both treated when you initially

:41:44. > :41:47.presented with symptoms? Particularly you, Karen, because you

:41:48. > :41:49.were particularly young. Was arthritis even on your radar as

:41:50. > :41:56.something that may be causing you problems? It was on my radar simply

:41:57. > :41:59.because a family member had it. However, generally speaking, no, I

:42:00. > :42:03.didn't think at the age of 27 that would even be something I would be

:42:04. > :42:08.considering. Generally it took a very long time to get through the

:42:09. > :42:13.system to get to see somebody who would test me for rheumatoid

:42:14. > :42:15.arthritis, because I think there is still a supposition that rheumatoid

:42:16. > :42:20.arthritis is something that happens as you get older, not when you are

:42:21. > :42:27.younger. Kids can get it? Absolutely. How young? You can be

:42:28. > :42:35.born with it. There are 12,000 young people living with a juvenile form

:42:36. > :42:39.of arthritis. Is that genetic? There are. Benjamin will no far better

:42:40. > :42:47.than I, but there are some inherited traits to some forms of arthritis,

:42:48. > :42:52.yes. 12,000, that's devastating if you are affected. But it is a

:42:53. > :42:55.relatively small number. As we are saying, it is a condition that

:42:56. > :43:01.affects millions of people. Why is it not more talked about? A number

:43:02. > :43:06.of reasons. We have talked about how it is dismissed as a natural part of

:43:07. > :43:10.getting older. What is old age? Why is it acceptable to live in pain

:43:11. > :43:16.when you are older? That is one thing. Also, I don't know whether it

:43:17. > :43:20.is the same for you, but many people have told us they don't want to be

:43:21. > :43:24.defined by their condition, they don't want to be the person always

:43:25. > :43:30.saying, I can't do this. You don't talk about it necessarily as much as

:43:31. > :43:34.you might do with other conditions. So really lifting the lid. That is

:43:35. > :43:38.the whole reason for this campaign, it is actually to say that by having

:43:39. > :43:41.a conversation about it, by talking about it, we can start recognising

:43:42. > :43:47.the problem and addressing it. Caroline White got arthritis the

:43:48. > :43:52.same age as you. She has got in touch. She has had it for 30 years.

:43:53. > :43:56.She has battled non-with support from her GP, medication and surgery,

:43:57. > :44:00.but it has now begun to have a major impact on her life. She was a

:44:01. > :44:04.teacher but has to plan her life carefully, how close she can get,

:44:05. > :44:08.how much standing room there will be etc. People don't realise the impact

:44:09. > :44:12.it has, especially if you keep a cheerful face and try to continue.

:44:13. > :44:17.Robert, do you feel like people around you understand the impact? At

:44:18. > :44:22.the time I didn't feel that people understood the full impact it was

:44:23. > :44:28.having on my way of life. It was affecting every aspect of my life at

:44:29. > :44:32.the time. And I was sort of doing whatever I could to ameliorate it.

:44:33. > :44:37.But the problem is it is a vicious circle. As soon as you get the

:44:38. > :44:41.condition, and it can come on very quickly, my other hip came on. I

:44:42. > :44:46.went to a Pilates class. I was trying to get my muscle tone back.

:44:47. > :44:52.The problem started. Within a week I was in a real pickle. The trouble is

:44:53. > :44:57.then you become less active, you put on more weight, you become bored.

:44:58. > :45:03.And it must affect your mental health? Absolutely. A terrible

:45:04. > :45:08.impact. It affects your relationship, you are stuck indoors

:45:09. > :45:12.all day. Especially in the winter, it is dreadful. You can't get out

:45:13. > :45:16.and about, you can't drive the car. It is awful.

:45:17. > :45:17.It is dreadful. Thank you all for coming in and helping to raise

:45:18. > :45:22.awareness. Still to come, this is Vicky Veness

:45:23. > :45:27.hours before she was diagnosed Doctors repeatedly told her that her

:45:28. > :45:32.symptoms were asthma - she'll be with us for her first TV

:45:33. > :45:34.interview. More people will die from fires

:45:35. > :45:38.started by faulty white goods if ministers do not act to implement

:45:39. > :45:41.recommendations, the London Fire Brigade, the city's mayor,

:45:42. > :45:45.and safety groups have warned. In a letter to Theresa May,

:45:46. > :45:47.they say some fridges and freezers are being sold

:45:48. > :45:52.with a flammable plastic backing. People continue to use products that

:45:53. > :45:55.are subject to recalls, it adds. The warning comes a year

:45:56. > :45:58.after a tower block fire in west London started

:45:59. > :46:02.by a faulty tumble dryer. Chantal Froelich lives

:46:03. > :46:04.in Shepherds Court Tower, where the fire started

:46:05. > :46:07.by the tumble dryer began. She was made omeless

:46:08. > :46:09.for three months. Jill Patterson is a lawyer

:46:10. > :46:11.at the legal firm Leigh Day and has been representing

:46:12. > :46:27.Chantal and other familes Thank you both very much for coming

:46:28. > :46:31.in, first of all, Jill, to the best of your knowledge, when was the

:46:32. > :46:35.alarm raised about issues around 40 white goods? There has been a

:46:36. > :46:45.problem with product recall systems in the UK for quite some time, so a

:46:46. > :46:49.number years ago a man called Sam -- Santosh Benjamin died in a house

:46:50. > :46:54.fire, and the inquest lasted three weeks, and at the end of that the

:46:55. > :47:00.coroner provided a number of recommendations about how the system

:47:01. > :47:05.needed to change to ensure that consumers safety was protected

:47:06. > :47:12.better. After that, the Government asked the consumer champion to chair

:47:13. > :47:19.a report. She produced some findings some 18 months ago now, and still

:47:20. > :47:22.nothing has happened. Since that time, other people have died in

:47:23. > :47:26.house fires associated with white goods. The Shepherds Court fire

:47:27. > :47:32.happened, it is just a miracle that, you know, it was not at night and

:47:33. > :47:36.that nobody died. You were made homeless by that fire, tell us what

:47:37. > :47:42.happened. So I live on the floor where the fire escapes to and

:47:43. > :47:47.couldn't get home for three and a half months. I'll so work in a block

:47:48. > :47:54.next door to where I live, and I saw the fire unfold. -- I also work.

:47:55. > :47:58.When we have this warning today from the mayor and London Fire Brigade is

:47:59. > :48:05.to say that not enough is being done to protect people from these faulty

:48:06. > :48:08.white goods, what do you think? I agree, I cannot believe these

:48:09. > :48:12.machines have not been recalled, that nothing has been done to

:48:13. > :48:17.prevent this kind of thing happening again. People dying in these fires,

:48:18. > :48:22.we are really lucky that it wasn't one of us. What could be done? There

:48:23. > :48:26.is also lots of different things that can be done. The London Fire

:48:27. > :48:32.Brigade have set out a number of them. The main issue is to say that

:48:33. > :48:38.the system is disjointed, so we need one sort of single place where all

:48:39. > :48:44.product recall is can be recorded, that people can access it and find

:48:45. > :48:48.out, you know, in a one-stop shop, whether their products are affected

:48:49. > :48:53.or not. But there is also enforcement issues, greater powers

:48:54. > :48:58.for trading standards, who are sort of the police force for product

:48:59. > :49:02.recall in the UK. What happens if you have got a mission in and the

:49:03. > :49:08.manufacturer gets in touch and says there is an issue with it? Are you

:49:09. > :49:13.obliged not to continue using it? That is part of the problem, there

:49:14. > :49:18.is a lot of confusion around the information given to consumers, so

:49:19. > :49:22.with the Hotpoint tumble dryer, for example, it is subject to a safety

:49:23. > :49:28.notice. The people that were using the tumble dryer that was involved

:49:29. > :49:33.in the fire at Shepherds Court were following the manufacturer's

:49:34. > :49:37.instructions, continuing to use it, but making sure that there was

:49:38. > :49:46.someone in the flat at the time. And a really, I think, just the language

:49:47. > :49:50.that is used about products is not strong enough. So if people were to

:49:51. > :49:56.see the word fire or risk of death or that sort of thing, then they

:49:57. > :50:00.might take things more seriously. Really personally, I think, that

:50:01. > :50:05.people should have the option to have the product taken away.

:50:06. > :50:09.Shepherds Court, the fire in your block, mercifully, did not spread

:50:10. > :50:13.very far - you were made homeless by it and others were affected, but

:50:14. > :50:19.when you subsequently saw what happened at Grenfell, how did you

:50:20. > :50:22.feel? It was devastating, especially when I found out that it could

:50:23. > :50:27.potentially be connected to Hotpoint, which was the cause of our

:50:28. > :50:33.fire. We don't want to get into things we do not know about, but

:50:34. > :50:37.faulty white goods, same sort of cause. The impact that it had

:50:38. > :50:46.compared to our fire, the magnitude of it, it was awful, and it is

:50:47. > :50:51.devastating. Why do you think it is, Jill, that changes were recommended

:50:52. > :51:01.after the Shepherd's Bush fire have not been made? I think it will cost

:51:02. > :51:04.a lot of money to do it, and a -- I just do not think it is being taken

:51:05. > :51:09.seriously enough. But the question is, what more needs to happen for

:51:10. > :51:13.somebody to take action? This action this morning from the Fire Brigade

:51:14. > :51:17.is fantastic, and the number of people calling for this change, it

:51:18. > :51:21.wouldn't be something difficult for the Government to do, so it is hard

:51:22. > :51:24.to understand why it is such a big issue for action to take place.

:51:25. > :51:29.Thank you both very much. Thank you. Many of us might have an idea

:51:30. > :51:32.in our minds of what a typical But Vicky Veness is trying

:51:33. > :51:36.to overturn those preconceptions, after being diagnosed with stage

:51:37. > :51:38.four lung cancer last week, despite looking perfectly

:51:39. > :51:40.fit and healthy. Vicky, who is a personal trainer,

:51:41. > :51:43.started getting symptoms 18 months ago, but she was told by doctors

:51:44. > :51:46.she was suffering Despite her symptoms getting worse,

:51:47. > :51:51.she battled through, running a marathon

:51:52. > :51:55.and training people every day. It was only when a lump

:51:56. > :51:58.appeared on her neck the devastating diagnosis,

:51:59. > :52:07.explaining that, "When you have cancer,

:52:08. > :52:09.you won't necessarily And I'm pleased to say Vicky

:52:10. > :52:22.is speaking to us now Thank you very much indeed for

:52:23. > :52:26.joining us. Tell us more about why you decided to put out that

:52:27. > :52:31.photograph. Well, when I was initially diagnosed, I was in

:52:32. > :52:35.complete and utter shock, I just couldn't believe this was happening

:52:36. > :52:42.to me. And I've always been healthy, I'm a personal trainer, I run

:52:43. > :52:47.marathons, and this just seemed unbelievable. Basically, this led me

:52:48. > :52:53.to my decision that I need to tell people that this illness is not just

:52:54. > :52:56.for smokers, and basically I want to let everyone know the symptoms so

:52:57. > :53:02.that they can spot them early and don't end up with a stage four

:53:03. > :53:06.diagnosis, like myself. Do you think the fact that you look so healthy,

:53:07. > :53:11.and you are a fitness instructor, running marathons, is that what put

:53:12. > :53:16.doctors off be sent in terms of what might have been wrong with you? I

:53:17. > :53:23.think so, because obviously I am not the stereotypical type of person you

:53:24. > :53:29.expect to have lung cancer. I mean, myself included, I would not have

:53:30. > :53:34.believed that this was possible. So you said about the symptoms that you

:53:35. > :53:39.had over a period of months, 18 months - what was the first you

:53:40. > :53:43.experienced? Well, when I was training for the land and marathon,

:53:44. > :53:48.that was really the first time that I noticed that something was wrong.

:53:49. > :53:52.-- the London Marathon. When I came back from a training run, my lungs

:53:53. > :54:01.would feel really heavy, like I couldn't get enough air in. And it

:54:02. > :54:04.was initially treated as asthma, that is a diagnosis that might have

:54:05. > :54:11.made sense, did you feel that was correct? Well, at the time, because

:54:12. > :54:15.I do a lot of exercise, I was diagnosed with exercise-induced

:54:16. > :54:22.asthma, so I thought that that was definitely possible, and I also went

:54:23. > :54:28.on to run a good marathon, so I just assumed that it must be correct. But

:54:29. > :54:33.you kept going back to doctors, why was that? Because really the inhaler

:54:34. > :54:38.is, I was given inhaler is, and I was given tablets, and I did think

:54:39. > :54:42.that they were doing a great deal. Did you ever suspected might be lung

:54:43. > :54:50.cancer? No, never, I could never have imagined. I still can't believe

:54:51. > :54:54.it, really, no, I wouldn't have thought this at all. So when you

:54:55. > :55:00.were told it was lung cancer, how did you react? It was, as I said

:55:01. > :55:06.before, just complete and utter shock, I couldn't believe that it

:55:07. > :55:11.was happening. Are you angry? No, I don't feel like that at all, so

:55:12. > :55:15.since I have been diagnosed, I have been trying to take positive and put

:55:16. > :55:19.all my efforts into raising awareness that this doesn't happen

:55:20. > :55:25.to somebody else and also getting ready to fight this illness. And

:55:26. > :55:30.tell us more about the symptoms, you want people to recognise the

:55:31. > :55:37.symptoms. Yes, so for me, I don't necessarily have a really nasty

:55:38. > :55:40.cough. It is just a tiny dry calf that you probably wouldn't even

:55:41. > :55:49.notice unless you knew that I had lung cancer. -- dry cough. It is not

:55:50. > :55:54.chest it, it is very subtle, and my actual diagnosis wasn't based on the

:55:55. > :55:58.cough, so it is really important that if you have a cough that lasts

:55:59. > :56:03.for a long time, you go to your doctor's. So when you say a cough

:56:04. > :56:08.that lasts a long time, over what period of time did you have this

:56:09. > :56:13.cough? Right from the beginning, right from the beginning, yeah, it

:56:14. > :56:18.has never gone away. It will be easily make people think, you know,

:56:19. > :56:26.with any sort of an ailing calf that they should perhaps be worried, what

:56:27. > :56:30.would you say? Go to the doctor's, get them to check your lungs have a

:56:31. > :56:35.peak flow, and if things don't get better after three weeks or four

:56:36. > :56:41.weeks, go back and get another check, keep going back. The thing

:56:42. > :56:46.is, you did keep going back. Yeah, I did. And you were given the all

:56:47. > :56:50.clear in terms of lung cancer. That is correct. I am hoping this

:56:51. > :56:57.awareness campaign will make lots of people realise that it is not always

:56:58. > :57:01.a smoker, it is not always an older person, it can literally be anybody,

:57:02. > :57:08.and I just hope people will look at this and my spots. What is happening

:57:09. > :57:15.now is the diagnosis in terms of treatment? At the moment, I haven't

:57:16. > :57:19.started any treatment. I am still waiting, I am going to start on

:57:20. > :57:24.Wednesday. I haven't had a proper chat with my oncologists yet, that

:57:25. > :57:29.will happen tomorrow, and then hopefully from there I can start to

:57:30. > :57:35.get better. How is everybody reacting around you? It is

:57:36. > :57:46.unbelievable, I am overwhelmed at the level of support that my post

:57:47. > :57:54.online received, it has just been amazing race about what is happening

:57:55. > :57:58.with them as well. I am feeling really positive, really good, and I

:57:59. > :58:03.am still working at the moment, and I am still training and doing

:58:04. > :58:06.everything as normal. We really wish you all the very best, thank you

:58:07. > :58:10.very much indeed for joining us. Thank you.

:58:11. > :58:14.Let me just bring you a quick update on what is happening in Marseille,

:58:15. > :58:18.one person has been killed and one injured after a car trove into two

:58:19. > :58:24.bus stops in different parts of the city. It is not clear at this stage

:58:25. > :58:28.if it was an accident or deliberate, the latest coming up on BBC News

:58:29. > :58:31.live. I will see you at the same time tomorrow. Bye-bye.