05/09/2017

:00:13. > :00:14.Good morning. Welcome to the programme.

:00:15. > :00:16.Our top story today - North Korea's been accused

:00:17. > :00:19.of "begging for war" by the States as the crisis continues

:00:20. > :00:23.Continuation of the current policy will bring about

:00:24. > :00:32.That has all that North Korea can do is produce weapons that go boom.

:00:33. > :00:34.The abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show

:00:35. > :00:45.Is some form of military intervention now inevitable? We will

:00:46. > :00:46.discuss. Plus this programme has been told

:00:47. > :00:49.that at least 20 people who survived or witnessed the Grenfell Tower fire

:00:50. > :00:53.have tried to take their own lives We'll hear from charities

:00:54. > :01:02.supporting the survivors. And as sex workers tell this

:01:03. > :01:06.programme about the violence they have been subjected to from clients,

:01:07. > :01:08.we will hear more called the decriminalisation of the industry.

:01:09. > :01:11.The person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

:01:12. > :01:13.on pressing with one hand on my throat.

:01:14. > :01:25.They just went with knives and they just took all the money.

:01:26. > :01:34.A full exclusive report in about 15 minutes.

:01:35. > :01:37.Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am.

:01:38. > :01:39.Throughout the morning the latest breaking news

:01:40. > :01:41.and developing stories - and, as always, really

:01:42. > :01:45.A little later we'll pay tribute to 21-year-old

:01:46. > :01:50.journalist Dean Eastmond, who died of cancer at the weekend.

:01:51. > :01:52.His poignant writing about living with cancer at such

:01:53. > :02:03.His boyfriend and brother will join us after ten.

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:02:17. > :02:19.South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise off

:02:20. > :02:22.the country's east coast - as a show of strength to North Korea

:02:23. > :02:27.It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

:02:28. > :02:31.The United States has warned the UN Security Council that Kim Jong Un

:02:32. > :02:39.The time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means

:02:40. > :02:45.We must now adopt the strongest possible measures.

:02:46. > :02:50.Kim Jong-un's action cannot be seen as defensive.

:02:51. > :02:53.He wants to be acknowledged as a nuclear power.

:02:54. > :02:55.But being a nuclear power is not about using those terrible

:02:56. > :03:00.Nuclear powers understand their responsibilities.

:03:01. > :03:07.Kim Jong-un shows no such understanding.

:03:08. > :03:10.His abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show

:03:11. > :03:16.War is never something the United States wants.

:03:17. > :03:21.We don't want it now, but our country's patience is not unlimited.

:03:22. > :03:25.We will defend our allies and our territory.

:03:26. > :03:27.Our China correspondent John Sudworth is in Dandong,

:03:28. > :03:31.on the border between China and North Korea.

:03:32. > :03:34.The Chinese city of Dandong where I'm standing is a very good

:03:35. > :03:36.position from which to contemplate China's role in the

:03:37. > :03:42.If we pan the camera across, you can see just how close the two

:03:43. > :03:45.countries are at this point, connected by the iron

:03:46. > :03:51.And almost all of North Korea's trading goods, as well as its vital

:03:52. > :03:55.crude oil supply, flows across this border.

:03:56. > :03:58.You can see a dilapidated North Korean power station

:03:59. > :04:00.on the other side there, a sign of its antiquated

:04:01. > :04:07.Donald Trump's argument, of course, is China could, if it wanted to,

:04:08. > :04:11.choke North Korea into submission by turning off the tap on this

:04:12. > :04:15.lifeline, but when you look at this proximity, you can understand why

:04:16. > :04:17.the Chinese leadership sees things very differently indeed.

:04:18. > :04:21.The idea of pushing North Korea towards regime collapse

:04:22. > :04:27.would bring chaos, instability, factional infighting,

:04:28. > :04:30.the possibility of war in a state that already has its hands

:04:31. > :04:33.on nuclear weapons, which is why Beijing won't contemplate the idea

:04:34. > :04:44.It won't contemplate the idea of military action.

:04:45. > :04:47.It has insisted all along that the only way to resolve this

:04:48. > :04:50.crisis is, as unpalatable to Washington as it may be,

:04:51. > :04:55.is for the US to sit down with North Korea at the negotiation

:04:56. > :05:02.We can now speak to our correspondent Robin Brant,

:05:03. > :05:04.who is monitoring events from the South Korean

:05:05. > :05:15.In the last hour the Russian president has said that any new

:05:16. > :05:19.sanctions on North Korea will not make any difference? Vladimir Putin

:05:20. > :05:24.making his position very, very clear, talking at the end of the two

:05:25. > :05:33.taser met in China near to where John is. He has described the

:05:34. > :05:40.prospect of a global catastrophe if the continued military ramping up

:05:41. > :05:45.continues at this place. He has said it is hysterical, and on the issue

:05:46. > :05:50.of further sanctions he says they would be useless and ineffective.

:05:51. > :05:56.That is not an example of unity among, certainly, the permanent

:05:57. > :06:00.members of the United Nations Security Council. There is a divide

:06:01. > :06:05.between Russia and China on one side, the United States on the

:06:06. > :06:09.other. In the middle you have South Korea, this morning South Korea yet

:06:10. > :06:11.again demonstrated its military capabilities with the naval live

:06:12. > :06:16.firing exercise following on from the air force and the Army carrying

:06:17. > :06:20.out similar exercises yesterday, to show the north and anyone else

:06:21. > :06:24.watching what their capabilities are, to defend their country and

:06:25. > :06:29.maybe even attack the north. At the same time this country is led by

:06:30. > :06:34.President Moon, who wants to extend the olive branch to the north and

:06:35. > :06:35.perhaps even look at opening negotiations once again. Thank you

:06:36. > :06:37.very much, Robin Brant. Joanna Gosling is in the BBC

:06:38. > :06:41.Newsroom with a summary This programme has been told that

:06:42. > :06:46.at least 20 survivors and witnesses of the Grenfell Tower fire

:06:47. > :06:48.have attempted suicide. Charities Silence of Suicide

:06:49. > :06:50.and Justice For Grenfell say they base the claim on conversations

:06:51. > :06:53.with those supporting residents, though the BBC has been unable

:06:54. > :06:56.to independently verify the figure. They are calling for better

:06:57. > :06:58.long-term mental health The Brexit Secretary David Davis

:06:59. > :07:06.will face questions in the Commons this afternoon as MPs return

:07:07. > :07:08.to Westminster after He will give an update on last

:07:09. > :07:12.week's third round of negotiations with the European Union

:07:13. > :07:28.as Downing Street promises to One of Britain's the senior

:07:29. > :07:30.counterterrorism officers has warned the terror threat level will remain

:07:31. > :07:34.at severe for at least the next five... Five years.

:07:35. > :07:36.Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

:07:37. > :07:39.described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

:07:40. > :07:41.He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

:07:42. > :07:43.in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

:07:44. > :07:50.There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

:07:51. > :07:56.A 14-year-old boy is in critical condition in hospital and

:07:57. > :08:00.17-year-old has suffered life changing injuries in a double

:08:01. > :08:03.shooting in London. The Metropolitan Police said there were serious

:08:04. > :08:10.concerns of retaliation and extra officers are on the streets. No

:08:11. > :08:12.arrests have been made. The Met said that they were taken to an east

:08:13. > :08:13.London hospital. A report into whether social

:08:14. > :08:15.services failed a young girl who was murdered by her mother

:08:16. > :08:18.will be published today. Ayeeshia Smith died

:08:19. > :08:19.in 2014 aged 21 months. She had been left in the care

:08:20. > :08:22.of her mother, Kathryn Smith, despite concerns raised

:08:23. > :08:24.by other relatives. The findings of a serious case

:08:25. > :08:27.review will be published at midday. Bangladeshi officials say

:08:28. > :08:29.they are running out of space to accommodate the growing number

:08:30. > :08:31.of Rohingya Muslims fleeing Nearly 90,000 people have left

:08:32. > :08:38.Myanmar since the Army there began Many say they were attacked

:08:39. > :08:48.by troops and Buddhist mobs. Sex workers say they are being left

:08:49. > :08:51.more vulnerable to attack by laws making it illegal for them to share

:08:52. > :08:58.premises for safety. Sex workers who have

:08:59. > :09:00.spoken to this programme say laws around brothel keeping

:09:01. > :09:03.force women to work alone in order The sale and purchase of sexual

:09:04. > :09:07.services between consenting adults is legal in England and Wales,

:09:08. > :09:09.but acts such as soliciting They are calling for the whole

:09:10. > :09:18.industry to be decriminalised. Solar storms may have played a role

:09:19. > :09:21.in the fatal stranding of sperm whales last year on the coasts

:09:22. > :09:24.of Britain, Germany, Scientists say the 29 whales

:09:25. > :09:27.were young and free of disease - but their navigational abilities may

:09:28. > :09:32.have been disrupted by the storms, which distort

:09:33. > :09:34.the Earth's magnetic field. Other researchers say the theory

:09:35. > :09:36.is plausible but argue it's That's a summary of the latest BBC

:09:37. > :09:52.News - more at 9:30am. Thank you for your tweets and

:09:53. > :09:56.e-mails, we appreciate them every day, particularly because you have

:09:57. > :10:00.experience of lots of the stories we bring you.

:10:01. > :10:02.We will talk about sex workers and the violence that some are subjected

:10:03. > :10:07.to and what would better protect them in the next few minutes. James

:10:08. > :10:13.says is a gay male sex worker I place myself at risk every day

:10:14. > :10:18.working alone and hotel toilets. The law should protect sex workers, not

:10:19. > :10:19.put them at risk. Your views are welcome, particularly if you have

:10:20. > :10:32.pertinent experience. You can use e-mail, Whatsapp etc.

:10:33. > :10:35.Olly is here, it is been a good international break for the home

:10:36. > :10:44.nations but Dele Alli may be in trouble? Inglot won 2-1 against the

:10:45. > :10:49.bucket to stay top of their group, but Dele Alli might have explaining

:10:50. > :10:55.to do. -- England won. Rashford made a terrible mistake in the first

:10:56. > :10:59.couple of minutes, he gave away the ball and the Slovakian player

:11:00. > :11:05.finished off a lovely ball to him. Eric Dier equalised by half-time,

:11:06. > :11:09.Rashford made amends, a lovely finish. But in the last 15 minutes

:11:10. > :11:14.Dele Alli had just been fouled, did not get a free kick, seems to be

:11:15. > :11:17.flicking the middle finger towards the referee. He was very quick

:11:18. > :11:22.afterwards to say he was just joking with his good friend and former

:11:23. > :11:29.team-mate Kyle Walker, not at the referee at all. We will see a Fifa

:11:30. > :11:34.buy that. What about the manager? I have not seen but I have been made

:11:35. > :11:41.aware of it. Dele and Kyle were mucking about. I don't know what has

:11:42. > :11:46.been visible on the picture, what the angle of the picture was. They

:11:47. > :11:52.have a strange way of communicating, the pair of them, but that is what

:11:53. > :11:57.they have said when I have raised it. I have not seen it myself.

:11:58. > :12:03.They were making light of that last night, we will see what the

:12:04. > :12:07.referee's report will say. England need two points from their last

:12:08. > :12:11.couple of matches next month against Slovenia and Lithuania.

:12:12. > :12:14.Good news for Scotland and Northern Ireland, finishing second?

:12:15. > :12:18.It is all in Scotland's hands to finish second behind England in the

:12:19. > :12:22.same group. They beat Malta last night, is very easy win for

:12:23. > :12:27.Scotland, Christophe Berra and Leigh Griffiths got the gold is at Hampden

:12:28. > :12:30.Park. Slovakia and Slovenia away. Winds will see the Scots finish

:12:31. > :12:38.second and a chance of making the play-offs. It is in their hands. It

:12:39. > :12:42.is very complicated as to how... You finish second and get into the

:12:43. > :12:47.play-offs or not. We know Northern Ireland have finished second in

:12:48. > :12:51.group C, getting the runners-up spot, making it five in a row in

:12:52. > :12:55.qualifying. They should be one of the best runners-up or two games to

:12:56. > :12:59.play, Jonny Evans and Chris Brunt got the goals, a lovely free kick

:13:00. > :13:05.seeing them beat the Czech Republic last night. It has been two years

:13:06. > :13:09.since they conceded a competitive goal at Windsor Park. That will be

:13:10. > :13:14.tested against Germany next month, but as I say they are sure to finish

:13:15. > :13:17.second. Germany coming here, it would be

:13:18. > :13:22.nice to take an extra point. If we need something in the final two

:13:23. > :13:27.games we will have to get it, that simple. We are in a very strong

:13:28. > :13:30.position, it is almost -- almost been flawless, to be honest. Seven

:13:31. > :13:45.clean sheets in eight games, the only defeat away to Germany. As a

:13:46. > :13:48.coach and manager there is little you can ask more from your players,

:13:49. > :13:49.they keep delivering. Northern Ireland punching above their weight

:13:50. > :13:52.on the international stage. Wales play Moldova, they could move to

:13:53. > :13:58.second of the Republic of Ireland slip up against Moldova.

:13:59. > :14:02.Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal play tomorrow in the tennis, on a

:14:03. > :14:07.collision course for a semifinal. X Factor plays one Martin Del Potro.

:14:08. > :14:12.The Russian teenager Andrey Rublev is has set up a quarterfinal against

:14:13. > :14:17.Nadal, the 19-year-old came through overnight after beating ninth seed

:14:18. > :14:22.David Goffin. Would you believe it, here's the first teenagers and Andy

:14:23. > :14:30.Roddick in 2001, to make it this far in the men's straw. It is all about

:14:31. > :14:32.Nadal or Federer, who comes through the semifinal. Thank you. More sport

:14:33. > :14:43.throughout the morning. In the UK, thousands of people sell

:14:44. > :14:47.sexual services for money. It is not illegal to sell sex, but almost

:14:48. > :14:51.every activity associated with the trade, from brothel keeping to

:14:52. > :14:55.soliciting, is. So many women and some men, faced with the prospect of

:14:56. > :14:59.being charged with an offence, take risks to avoid being caught.

:15:00. > :15:04.This can leave them vulnerable to attacks and violence and often too

:15:05. > :15:07.frightened to report what has happened to the police.

:15:08. > :15:14.Arguments about decriminalisation are as old as the industry itself,

:15:15. > :15:17.but after rigged recommended a change in the law last year,

:15:18. > :15:21.campaigners are stepping up their efforts. Susie, not her real name,

:15:22. > :15:25.is a former sex worker and activist. She has made a film for you arguing

:15:26. > :15:26.that decriminalisation of the industry is key to making sex

:15:27. > :15:32.workers safer. And in the time of the service,

:15:33. > :15:39.the person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

:15:40. > :15:42.on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punch me

:15:43. > :15:52.into the face until I passed out. Five or six different guys just came

:15:53. > :15:56.inside of the house. The security opened

:15:57. > :16:02.the door for them. And then they just went with knives

:16:03. > :16:20.and they just took all the money. I have worked in the sex industry

:16:21. > :16:33.on and off in my adult life. There's a perception that sex work

:16:34. > :16:42.is inherently degrading, that it's morally wrong,

:16:43. > :16:45.but when you look at it compared to the other low paid, long hours,

:16:46. > :16:49.incredibly physically demanding jobs, it's often the best choice

:16:50. > :16:55.for people because it is less hours for more money,

:16:56. > :16:58.means you can have more time out to be with your children,

:16:59. > :17:00.be with your family, do your studies, change your life,

:17:01. > :17:04.than you would if you were working a 40-hour plus week

:17:05. > :17:10.for minimum wage. According to one estimate,

:17:11. > :17:12.there are nearly 73,000 sex There's no doubt that some of those

:17:13. > :17:22.people are coerced into selling sex. In 2014, for example,

:17:23. > :17:25.there were 1,139 victims of trafficking for sexual

:17:26. > :17:28.exploitation in the UK. But, to be clear, this

:17:29. > :17:33.film isn't about people who are coerced into prostitution

:17:34. > :17:35.against their will. It's about people who have made

:17:36. > :17:38.a decision to work in the sex industry and how the law often fails

:17:39. > :17:44.to protect those people. In the UK, the sale

:17:45. > :17:47.and purchase of sexual services But almost everything

:17:48. > :17:55.around it is illegal. There's a variety of offences

:17:56. > :17:57.you can been charged There's loitering and soliciting

:17:58. > :18:01.which are most often used And brothel keeping,

:18:02. > :18:06.which is used against indoor-based sex workers and there's also

:18:07. > :18:08.something called prostitute's caution where a police officer

:18:09. > :18:11.can serve you a caution without you having to accept it

:18:12. > :18:15.and it will stay on your record if they suspect you of being

:18:16. > :18:22.a sex worker. The rules against brothel keeping

:18:23. > :18:24.in particular mean that women often feel unable to work together

:18:25. > :18:27.as a common-sense safety measure, which inevitably leaves sex

:18:28. > :18:33.workers more vulnerable. I'm Maria from Portugal.

:18:34. > :18:41.I'm a sex worker. Maria, not her real name,

:18:42. > :18:45.says she was working with a group of women at a brothel in London

:18:46. > :18:48.when she became the victim I was in a house working with a few

:18:49. > :18:56.different girls and then five or six different guys just came

:18:57. > :18:59.inside of the house. The security opened

:19:00. > :19:02.the door for them. And then they just went with knives

:19:03. > :19:12.and they just took all the money. And they were not really violent,

:19:13. > :19:18.but it was really scary. After they left, I just make sure

:19:19. > :19:21.that the door was closed, so I went close the door and I went

:19:22. > :19:24.to my room straight away The police arrived soon

:19:25. > :19:31.after to investigate but Maria explained that the police seemed

:19:32. > :19:34.to be as interested in the work going on the premises

:19:35. > :19:36.as in the robbery itself. They weren't interested

:19:37. > :19:39.in the robbery. They said they would look

:19:40. > :19:43.on CCTV, the cameras. They asked about the

:19:44. > :19:48.guys that went there. But actually, they were talking more

:19:49. > :19:51.about the work inside of the place, how much money they got,

:19:52. > :19:57.how many girls, how many customers. A week later after the robbery,

:19:58. > :20:00.she received a letter from the police threatening

:20:01. > :20:04.the women working at the premises. This letter was saying

:20:05. > :20:09.that we should definitely leave. They didn't say that we need

:20:10. > :20:15.to leave the place, but if you stay there you could go to jail or be

:20:16. > :20:17.deported or something, because we were working

:20:18. > :20:27.as they say in a brothel. Maria explained that it

:20:28. > :20:29.is for precisely this reason that sex workers

:20:30. > :20:31.are often reluctant to report violent crime to the police for fear

:20:32. > :20:34.of being investigated themselves. So the girls don't call the police

:20:35. > :20:40.because if they call the police, the police will just see the place

:20:41. > :20:48.that they are working and they will say to leave or something

:20:49. > :20:50.and they can't keep working She told us that because violent

:20:51. > :20:58.criminals know sex workers are unlikely to report those kinds

:20:59. > :21:00.of crimes, they deliberately target I was hearing from different girls

:21:01. > :21:05.that they get robbed in a house, the same story with five or six men

:21:06. > :21:09.and then they were with knives, sometimes with guns and acid,

:21:10. > :21:12.and they just was hitting the girls, raping the girls, so I knew

:21:13. > :21:14.that it was happening, but I was not sure it

:21:15. > :21:30.would happen with me. I'm originally from Romania.

:21:31. > :21:33.I'm a sex worker. I've been a sex worker

:21:34. > :21:35.for the last five years. I've been working

:21:36. > :21:40.in Soho ever since. Suzanne, once again not her real

:21:41. > :21:43.name, has an even more Like many sex workers,

:21:44. > :21:50.Suzanne says that sex work It offers flexibility

:21:51. > :21:54.and allows her to fund her studies. There is no issue around it

:21:55. > :22:00.as long as you don't get raided by the police

:22:01. > :22:05.or if I don't get violence. She has no objection to the work

:22:06. > :22:08.itself but, like Maria, she's says that the current legal

:22:09. > :22:14.framework leaves her vulnerable. As I've learned being in the sex

:22:15. > :22:17.industry, I learned that a perpetrator will always seek

:22:18. > :22:26.to attack someone who is vulnerable, who is not protected by the law

:22:27. > :22:29.and we, as sex workers, It's illegal for working

:22:30. > :22:33.with someone for safety. And so the perpetrator will just

:22:34. > :22:37.do it because he knows As the police, over time

:22:38. > :22:45.and time again, every time even myself reports

:22:46. > :22:47.violence, I end up getting threatened to be arrested and

:22:48. > :22:51.prosecuted for working in a brothel. And then, next time

:22:52. > :22:54.I suffer violence, I sure It doesn't matter

:22:55. > :23:01.what I do was a job. Yes, I understand I am a sex

:23:02. > :23:04.worker for a living, but I deserve the same human rights

:23:05. > :23:06.as everybody else. Sadly, some years ago,

:23:07. > :23:09.Suzanne was the victim of a violent The person came up, nothing wrong,

:23:10. > :23:16.discussed the price. And in the time of the service,

:23:17. > :23:28.the person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

:23:29. > :23:32.on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punching me

:23:33. > :23:36.to the face until I passed out. I was in agony.

:23:37. > :23:40.I was bleeding from my mouth. During the attack I lost two teeth.

:23:41. > :23:46.The person was there to kill me. That's it.

:23:47. > :23:49.I was lucky because I passed out. If I wasn't going to pass out

:23:50. > :23:53.at the time, he would have done it Fortunately, Suzanne was working

:23:54. > :23:58.with someone that night, her receptionist, who was eventually

:23:59. > :24:01.able to call for medical help. But she believes that,

:24:02. > :24:03.had she been working alone, she might not have

:24:04. > :24:06.survived the attack. If it wasn't for her that night,

:24:07. > :24:13.no one could have woken me up. Because of her experience, Suzanne

:24:14. > :24:18.now feels obliged to work illegally. Even though selling sex for money

:24:19. > :24:22.isn't in itself illegal, by working with just one other

:24:23. > :24:24.person, she could be prosecuted Despite this, she has chosen to be

:24:25. > :24:30.on the wrong side of the law because she believes that's the only

:24:31. > :24:34.way to work safely. I would rather work

:24:35. > :24:37.illegally but go home safe. I know how the legislation

:24:38. > :24:38.regarding prostitution, working with someone for safety

:24:39. > :24:41.or sharing the premises But I would rather be

:24:42. > :24:49.prosecuted than dying. I want to go home.

:24:50. > :24:51.I have a family myself. They don't know what

:24:52. > :24:56.I do for a living. But, if anything happens to me

:24:57. > :24:59.and they find out the way I've died or being severely injured,

:25:00. > :25:02.they are going to have to find out, I think from my own experience

:25:03. > :25:18.what I do know is that often women go into sex work because it's

:25:19. > :25:22.a better choice. Nicky Adams from the English

:25:23. > :25:27.Collective of Prostitutes, a campaigning organisation of sex

:25:28. > :25:30.workers and former sex workers that's been in existence

:25:31. > :25:32.since the 1970s, explains that, far from these being marginal

:25:33. > :25:34.concerns, the same grievances You know that by going into sex

:25:35. > :25:43.work, you are taking a risk because there is a lot of violence

:25:44. > :25:45.and that is a primary At every turn, the laws,

:25:46. > :25:51.the prostitution laws, sabotage our efforts to keep safe,

:25:52. > :25:53.so it illegal to work If you work together

:25:54. > :26:00.with somebody else on the street, you're much more likely to come

:26:01. > :26:04.to the attention of the police. You suffer anti-social

:26:05. > :26:07.behaviour orders. On the street, which then,

:26:08. > :26:09.if you breach them, You can be prosecuted for brothel

:26:10. > :26:15.keeping just literally for working together with another woman,

:26:16. > :26:17.and we have heard of many, many situations where women come

:26:18. > :26:19.forward to report violence and instead of the attackers

:26:20. > :26:23.being pursued and investigated and prosecuted by the police,

:26:24. > :26:28.sex workers get prosecuted for prostitution offences instead

:26:29. > :26:30.and that is appalling, because when that happens,

:26:31. > :26:33.word goes around very quickly and it's a big deterrent for anybody

:26:34. > :26:35.else to come forward In 2016, a group of MPs

:26:36. > :26:44.on the Home Affairs Select Committee recognised the problems resulting

:26:45. > :26:46.from brothel keeping legislation But shortly afterwards

:26:47. > :26:54.the government decided they didn't have enough evidence

:26:55. > :27:02.to introduce the changes. We spoke to the Home Office for this

:27:03. > :27:05.film and a spokesperson told us that the government still has no

:27:06. > :27:08.plans to change the law around prostitution

:27:09. > :27:10.despite the Home Affairs Select At the moment, even though

:27:11. > :27:19.sex work isn't illegal, we work in a heavily criminalised

:27:20. > :27:22.environment where many people are far too scared to go

:27:23. > :27:25.to the police or go to other The thing that sex workers want is

:27:26. > :27:32.full decriminalisation of sex work. What that means is treating it

:27:33. > :27:36.just like any other job. For example, if you're working

:27:37. > :27:41.in a brothel and you have a manager who helps work out shifts and deal

:27:42. > :27:44.with customers and pay the rent, then if they begin sexually

:27:45. > :27:46.harassing you, you could go to the police and

:27:47. > :27:50.report them for this. You could take them to court

:27:51. > :27:52.and have them charged But as long as the law continues

:27:53. > :27:56.to act as an incentive to unsafe working practices,

:27:57. > :27:59.more sex workers like the women we've heard from in this

:28:00. > :28:01.film will be at risk "Prostitution is a complex area

:28:02. > :28:19.and there is not a single solution. Since 2012 we have developed strong

:28:20. > :28:21.working relationships with a number of sex worker support agencies

:28:22. > :28:38.and begun to change the way we work A viewer says, "We know this.

:28:39. > :28:42.Prostitution should be legalised to safeguard both workers anduresers.

:28:43. > :28:46.Let's be adult about it." This text from someone who doesn't give their

:28:47. > :28:52.name, "Decriminalisation will put more sex workers on view on our

:28:53. > :28:58.streets. Selling sex should be illegal." Matt on Facebook says, "We

:28:59. > :29:01.should house sex workers in large buildings like in Germany and other

:29:02. > :29:05.European countries with proper security on the door. Whether people

:29:06. > :29:09.agree with prostitution or not, it is safer for the client and the

:29:10. > :29:17.worker if it's properly regulated." John says, "Sex work is an essential

:29:18. > :29:21.part of society and the it Will not get proper protection until members

:29:22. > :29:26.of Parliament grow up and get with the real world."

:29:27. > :29:36.We will talk more about it after 10am.

:29:37. > :29:38.Still to come: A report into the involvement of social

:29:39. > :29:40.services and agencies connected with Ayeeshia-Jane Smith

:29:41. > :29:51.who was stamped to death by her mother has just been published.

:29:52. > :30:00.Tributes are paid to Dean Eashmond who died on Sunday.

:30:01. > :30:02.Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:30:03. > :30:12.South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise of the country's east

:30:13. > :30:16.coast is a show of strength to North Korea following its latest nuclear

:30:17. > :30:20.test. It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

:30:21. > :30:23.of further provocation. The United States has warned the UN

:30:24. > :30:24.Security Council by Kim Jong Un is begging for war.

:30:25. > :30:27.This programme has been told that at least 20 survivors and witnesses

:30:28. > :30:29.of the Grenfell Tower fire have attempted suicide.

:30:30. > :30:30.Charities Silence of Suicide and Justice4Grenfell say

:30:31. > :30:39.they base the claim on conversations with those supporting residents,

:30:40. > :30:42.though the BBC has been unable to independently verify the figure.

:30:43. > :30:43.They are calling for better long-term mental health

:30:44. > :30:47.The Brexit Secretary David Davis will face questions in the Commons

:30:48. > :30:51.this afternoon as MPs return to Westminster after

:30:52. > :30:55.He will give an update on last week's third round of negotiations

:30:56. > :30:57.with the European Union as Downing Street promises to

:30:58. > :31:08.One of Britain's the senior counterterrorism officers has warned

:31:09. > :31:10.-- One of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has

:31:11. > :31:13.warned that the terror threat level will remain at severe for at least

:31:14. > :31:16.Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

:31:17. > :31:19.described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

:31:20. > :31:21.He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

:31:22. > :31:23.in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

:31:24. > :31:25.There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

:31:26. > :31:28.A report into whether social services failed a young girl

:31:29. > :31:34.who was murdered by her mother will be published today.

:31:35. > :31:36.Ayeeshia Jane Smith died in 2014 aged 21 months.

:31:37. > :31:39.She had been left in the care of her mother, Kathryn Smith,

:31:40. > :31:42.despite concerns raised by other relatives.

:31:43. > :31:53.The findings of a serious case review will be published at midday.

:31:54. > :32:00.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10am.

:32:01. > :32:05.Fifa will wait for the referee's report at Wembley before deciding

:32:06. > :32:09.whether England's Dele Alli should be charged with making an obscene

:32:10. > :32:12.hand gesture. He says it was a joke with the team-mates are not directed

:32:13. > :32:17.at the match official. England came from behind to beat Slovakia 2-1,

:32:18. > :32:22.Marcus Rashford with the winner, to keep them top of the group. Two

:32:23. > :32:27.points in the last two matches will see them qualified for Russia.

:32:28. > :32:33.Scotland beat Malta 2-0, wins in their last two game should put them

:32:34. > :32:34.in the play-off position in England's group.

:32:35. > :32:37.Northern Ireland look very good for a play-off spot, their win over the

:32:38. > :32:42.Czech Republic in Belfast assures them of second place in that group.

:32:43. > :32:47.And the 19-year-old Russian Andrey Rublev has become the first

:32:48. > :32:50.teenagers since 2001 to reach the US open quarterfinals. He plays his

:32:51. > :32:56.childhood hero Rafa Nadal next. Roger Federer also came through his

:32:57. > :32:57.last 16 on March overnight. I will be back in around half an hour with

:32:58. > :32:59.a full update. This programme has been told that

:33:00. > :33:02.at least 20 people who survived or witnessed the Grenfell Tower fire

:33:03. > :33:04.have since attempted We've been unable to independently

:33:05. > :33:08.verify the figure - but have heard it from

:33:09. > :33:12.groups supporting survivors. Almost three months on,

:33:13. > :33:15.it's clear the deeply traumatic effects of that night are being felt

:33:16. > :33:19.not just by those who lived in the tower but their relatives,

:33:20. > :33:24.neighbours and friends. Yvette Greenway runs

:33:25. > :33:26.the Silence of Suicide charity, which has been offering support

:33:27. > :33:31.for trauma victims in the area. And Judy Bolton is a nurse who's

:33:32. > :33:33.been co-ordinating volunteers on the ground on behalf

:33:34. > :33:46.of the Justice4Grenfell group. Welcome, both of you. Thank you very

:33:47. > :33:51.much for coming into the programme. Yvette, you have met a number of

:33:52. > :33:55.survivors and help them, what kind of problems that they are

:33:56. > :34:01.experiencing? Where to start, Victoria? This is the problem. They

:34:02. > :34:07.go from practical everyday issues in relation to benefits, housing, just

:34:08. > :34:11.eating in some cases. Eating? Where they warm up food. Some hotel rooms

:34:12. > :34:17.don't have facilities so they can't heat food if they have it. I say

:34:18. > :34:20.simple things, they are huge things within the bigger picture.

:34:21. > :34:30.Then you have the psychological impact, you have the grieving, the

:34:31. > :34:35.trauma, you have PTSD, anxiety, depression, self harm and, sadly,

:34:36. > :34:41.suicide. And how do you respond to this figure that at least 20 people

:34:42. > :34:44.have attempted to take their own lives?

:34:45. > :34:49.I think, like everyone in the country, we sincerely hope that is

:34:50. > :34:54.not the case. One suicide is too many. From a situation that should

:34:55. > :35:00.never have arisen, that was completely preventable, it makes it

:35:01. > :35:05.even more tragic. We just hope it is not true. It is very difficult to

:35:06. > :35:10.verify this information, but we put it out there because even if it is

:35:11. > :35:14.just one suicide, it is one too many and it means that somewhere along

:35:15. > :35:17.the line something is failing, we are not reaching those people

:35:18. > :35:21.properly, the people that need help, so we desperately need to address

:35:22. > :35:25.that. Judy, you have been a nurse for a

:35:26. > :35:27.long time, what do you think about the mental health provision for

:35:28. > :35:31.helping those who have survived and witnessed what happened that night?

:35:32. > :35:38.About the mental health provision has been appalling. It has been

:35:39. > :35:46.slow, it has not even been recognised. From day one, everybody

:35:47. > :35:51.saw it on the news, how horrific this atrocity was, there was a lot

:35:52. > :35:59.of help from the community, but it was almost like it was put to the

:36:00. > :36:05.side. Yet at that time, people watching on TV were shocked and

:36:06. > :36:11.could not believe it. You try living that, people not even just from the

:36:12. > :36:14.tower but from the Lancaster West walkways, people who live there,

:36:15. > :36:20.they saw the tower burn. You don't get that out of your mind. People

:36:21. > :36:25.saw others jump from Windows, children being dropped from Windows.

:36:26. > :36:33.And not every child that was dropped was caught. So we live with that

:36:34. > :36:39.every day. You see the building, you see Grenfell, it is fair on the

:36:40. > :36:47.horizon, we live with it. The fact that people had to ask and come

:36:48. > :36:55.out... Later, Theresa May had gold command, which was many weeks after.

:36:56. > :37:00.What survivors were told to do was to present themselves at the West

:37:01. > :37:07.ways to say they feel that they need mental health support. If you are

:37:08. > :37:14.that traumatised, if you are in a flat or a hotel, isolated, on your

:37:15. > :37:22.own, you don't even know that you need to go and help. And so the NHS

:37:23. > :37:27.team had run out and they were knocking on doors and leafleting and

:37:28. > :37:31.saying that they are a bit fed up with this knocking on their doors.

:37:32. > :37:37.So when we have the last public meeting we asked the NHS where are

:37:38. > :37:42.your meeting points, if you are not going to these people, where are

:37:43. > :37:49.they? The head of the team did not know. She said let me speak to one

:37:50. > :37:58.of my junior colleagues. And he said if you go to the website they have

:37:59. > :38:03.said two people... Well, to the GPs, because my GP came to that meeting,

:38:04. > :38:07.the GPs in the area have been told we have covered the mental health,

:38:08. > :38:10.they are seen within five days and once they have had the assessment

:38:11. > :38:15.they are followed up, people should have key and support workers. That

:38:16. > :38:21.information is not getting through. That is why we have people who are

:38:22. > :38:29.attempting suicide, they are living with survivor guilt, with memories

:38:30. > :38:37.of that night. It plays over and over in your head. You do not sleep.

:38:38. > :38:41.Sorry to interrupt but I talked to one man who got out of the tower

:38:42. > :38:46.with his family and he said in the day we see the tower, we see the

:38:47. > :38:53.blackened shell, when I close my eyes at night I see it, I see people

:38:54. > :38:59.jumping. It lives with you. Again, I don't like the term mental health in

:39:00. > :39:05.that it still carries a very ugly stigma even though it should not...

:39:06. > :39:09.We are trying to change that. But even my GP said what they want to

:39:10. > :39:16.call it is bereavement and trauma counselling, because that in itself

:39:17. > :39:20.covers the post-traumatic stress, the self harm, the nightmares, the

:39:21. > :39:29.horrors. We have a really solid mental health team in Ladbroke

:39:30. > :39:35.Grove, we have a hospital, adult mental health, children's mental

:39:36. > :39:41.health. Many of them have said that they presented themselves at gold

:39:42. > :39:45.command and said what can we do? Oh, we have this under control. And it

:39:46. > :39:50.wasn't, and people are still suffering. People are frightened to

:39:51. > :39:54.sleep at night in their building, and so they walk the streets. We

:39:55. > :40:00.have volunteers who will actually be out at three o'clock sitting with

:40:01. > :40:05.people so they are safe. Sorry, they are frightened to be in a building

:40:06. > :40:12.at my time? So they would prefer to wander the streets? Absolutely. My

:40:13. > :40:16.goodness. Because it is that trauma. Also we have had a situation, the

:40:17. > :40:20.police are very much aware, that there has been an influx of drugs

:40:21. > :40:27.coming into the area, because people are so traumatised that some will

:40:28. > :40:34.Self Medicaid. That is not the answer, but I can understand but --

:40:35. > :40:38.some will self medicated. What are they doing to support the crime that

:40:39. > :40:43.is going on, taking advantage of vulnerability and the trauma they

:40:44. > :40:49.are going through. Event, are you seeing the self-medication with

:40:50. > :40:52.alcohol and drugs? It is rife. We have heard from lots of people,

:40:53. > :40:58.groups and volunteers that people are increasingly turning to

:40:59. > :41:01.substance abuse as a way of escaping this horrible reality. It is like a

:41:02. > :41:06.living nightmare, they don't know what else to do. Every time we have

:41:07. > :41:11.reported Grenfell, and it has been many times that we have spoken to

:41:12. > :41:17.many survivors, we have a light on the failings of the mental health

:41:18. > :41:22.provision. To hear that people are still being failed in this crucial

:41:23. > :41:27.area... It is par for the course with mental health, I know you don't

:41:28. > :41:32.like the term, but I think we have to say it in order to be more

:41:33. > :41:39.accepting, this is part of the problem, this stigma. It always

:41:40. > :41:42.takes second place. The ongoing cuts over successive years, people were

:41:43. > :41:47.warning that this would happen. Hey, Ho, we have come to a situation like

:41:48. > :41:54.Grenfell, we don't have the stuff, don't have properly qualified staff

:41:55. > :42:02.or 11 situation to deliver what is needed in this grotesque situation.

:42:03. > :42:05.Even on your show, you did a lot of coverage on people's fears and

:42:06. > :42:11.everything else, but one of the things that the media has done is

:42:12. > :42:15.really demonise the people who live in Grenfell. There has been a lot of

:42:16. > :42:20.rhetoric and talk, even Theresa May spoke on, well, you know, the

:42:21. > :42:24.illegals that are there, please come forward, it will not damage your

:42:25. > :42:33.state, we want to make sure you are safe. In that building was a

:42:34. > :42:36.community. We had Moroccan, Colombian, third, fourth generation

:42:37. > :42:43.Londoners, West Indian, Portuguese, yes, Somalian... We are such a

:42:44. > :42:51.diverse community that works together, but all that was shown was

:42:52. > :42:57.women wearing the hijab, with their children, speaking with non-English

:42:58. > :43:02.accents. We have had racist hate mail, people telling them go back to

:43:03. > :43:08.where you came from, why are you in this area? You yourself covered

:43:09. > :43:15.that, people said we are afraid to say... This is it. All of that

:43:16. > :43:21.brings a really negative image. These are hard-working people, solid

:43:22. > :43:27.in the community. People had bought their properties, nurses, policemen,

:43:28. > :43:33.teachers, all sorts lived there. Why have they been left? Why have they

:43:34. > :43:39.been neglected? Again, it was to do with the social gentrification of

:43:40. > :43:48.the area and also because we are considered lesser human beings.

:43:49. > :43:50.People are suffering. The children especially are incredibly

:43:51. > :43:55.traumatised. They are starting to go back to school and we want to know

:43:56. > :44:01.have the schools been given adequate support to support not the children

:44:02. > :44:06.from Grenfell but children who had their friends who will not be at

:44:07. > :44:11.school this term. How do they support? I think that is a problem

:44:12. > :44:15.for decades to come, there needs to be ongoing mental health provision

:44:16. > :44:21.in place to support these children as they grow older, they will need

:44:22. > :44:23.it, without a doubt. They have really, really failed us. Thank you

:44:24. > :44:42.for joining us. The deputy leader of the council

:44:43. > :44:50.says that the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea is dedicated

:44:51. > :45:05.to dealing with this tragedy. There is at dedicated number -- a

:45:06. > :45:19.dedicated number, 0800 0234 650, and on the NHS website that is...

:45:20. > :45:22.We can also reveal this morning that some residents who escaped the tower

:45:23. > :45:25.block that morning on 14th June are finally getting some

:45:26. > :45:27.Whilst most of the flats were totally destroyed,

:45:28. > :45:30.33 flats on the lower floors had limited damage, meaning some

:45:31. > :45:34.This programme can reveal that so far 12 families from Grenfell

:45:35. > :45:40.tower have received property from their old homes.

:45:41. > :45:42.One of those is 69-year-old Rumayatu Mamudu, who escaped

:45:43. > :45:44.from the first floor in her dressing gown carrying her 12-year-old

:45:45. > :45:54.Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been following her story.

:45:55. > :45:57.We're at a hotel in West London where some Grenfell survivors

:45:58. > :45:59.are being reunited with personal possessions that survived the fire.

:46:00. > :46:02.We are here with Rumayatu Mamudu, a Grenfell resident who we've been

:46:03. > :46:21.We are here to see some of the items in my flat.

:46:22. > :46:30.How are you feeling about seeing some of the items that have been

:46:31. > :46:58.Yeah? Let's have a look.

:46:59. > :47:05.And these are possessions of Mrs Mamudu's from her

:47:06. > :47:38.You've got your National Insurance card back.

:47:39. > :47:45.Yay! My Gemini stone.

:47:46. > :47:56.It's my birthstone and I made it into a ring.

:47:57. > :48:01.That's good. Yes!

:48:02. > :48:04.Talk to me about why you're so happy.

:48:05. > :48:07.My late husband's watch. Does that not make me happy?

:48:08. > :48:10.So it's been over two months now since you lost your flat.

:48:11. > :48:16.But you have received some of your possessions from the flat.

:48:17. > :48:24.What sort of consolation is that for you?

:48:25. > :48:28.To me, actually, the consolation was that I was alive.

:48:29. > :48:36.I'm happy I got them, but my life was more important.

:48:37. > :48:46.As soon as they start letting me build my life again,

:48:47. > :48:48.then the sooner there will be closure.

:48:49. > :48:51.Even if I got all these things back, there is no closure

:48:52. > :48:59.Even though she has some of her jewellery back,

:49:00. > :49:03.the majority of Mrs Mamudu's possessions remain in the tower.

:49:04. > :49:05.She's just one of 12 families to be reunited

:49:06. > :49:08.with their belongings so far but, for the majority of residents

:49:09. > :49:18.who survived, there's nothing left to be returned.

:49:19. > :49:21.Ashley John-Baptiste with that report and we'll continue to follow

:49:22. > :49:33.the stories of Grenfell survivors over the coming months and years.

:49:34. > :49:35.Next, we're going to turn our attention to what's

:49:36. > :49:37.going on in a country over 5,000 miles away, Myanmar,

:49:38. > :49:44.More than 87,000 Muslim civilians known as the Rohingya are estimated

:49:45. > :49:50.to have fled across the border to Bangladesh in the past ten days

:49:51. > :49:54.The Rohingya are a stateless Muslim ethnic minority who have faced

:49:55. > :50:03.Many of those who have fled describe troops and Buddhist mobs

:50:04. > :50:28.burning their villages and attacking civilians.

:50:29. > :50:31.This is the mainland route through which the Rohingyas are now

:50:32. > :50:35.On the other side of the mountain, is Myanmar.

:50:36. > :51:11.And they say they can slip in without being detected easily.

:51:12. > :51:16.They are carrying with them whatever belongings they can leave with -

:51:17. > :51:18.household goods, and many of them say they have been walking

:51:19. > :51:21.for several days from their villages before they are able to get

:51:22. > :51:29.And, before that, they have to make sure they are not detected

:51:30. > :51:31.by the Myanmar police or border patrols because there is every

:51:32. > :51:39.Once they get here, though, the Bangladesh authorities

:51:40. > :51:56.This is the first real shelter that the refugees have got.

:51:57. > :52:01.We're in first village after the border and here

:52:02. > :52:03.they get a bit of protection from the elements.

:52:04. > :52:13.They are here for a day, maybe two days, before they move

:52:14. > :52:17.That's where the government and aid agencies are present

:52:18. > :52:38.Islamic countries across Asia are calling on the Myanmar

:52:39. > :52:46.government and its unofficial leader Nobel Prize winner,

:52:47. > :52:48.Aung San Suu Kyi, to end the military campaign

:52:49. > :52:49.against the Rohingya Muslim minority.

:52:50. > :52:51.Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh and Indonesia have all demanded

:52:52. > :52:55.Refugees are trapped on the border without basic food

:52:56. > :52:59.and medicine amid operations by the Myanmar military.

:53:00. > :53:02.In the mainly Buddhist Myanmar the Rohingya are seen as Muslims,

:53:03. > :53:12.but in the mainly Muslim Bangladesh they're seen as foreigners.

:53:13. > :53:16.Let's talk to Tun Khin from the Rohingya Muslim ethnic minority.

:53:17. > :53:22.He has family and friends currently fleeing Myanmar.

:53:23. > :53:25.Vivian Tan is working with the two official refugee centres

:53:26. > :53:27.in Cox's Bazar in Bangladesh with the UN Refugee Agency.

:53:28. > :53:29.Mark Farmaner has met Aung San Suu Kyi and spoken

:53:30. > :53:32.about the Rohingya in his role as the director of

:53:33. > :53:46.Welcome all of you. You are from the Rohingya. You moved to the UK 15

:53:47. > :53:52.years ago. Tell us what your family and friends are telling you about

:53:53. > :53:58.what they're experiencing? Yes, they're telling me they have seen

:53:59. > :54:04.military slaughtering men, women and children and they have seen many

:54:05. > :54:09.children being thrown to the fire and also you know many thousands of

:54:10. > :54:14.Rohingya have been trapped in the mountain when they're passing

:54:15. > :54:23.through, a big mountain. It took six or seven days and it is

:54:24. > :54:28.continuously, Rohingya there is mass killings going on against Rohingya.

:54:29. > :54:33.That's what I've been hearing. According to our information, the

:54:34. > :54:37.humanitarian crisis is growing and 170,000 people become homeless and

:54:38. > :54:42.IDPs. They are without food, medical, and shelter. That's what

:54:43. > :54:48.the situation much more worse than now. The humanitarian crisis is

:54:49. > :54:52.growing there. It's quite serious concern I would like to say. Vivian,

:54:53. > :54:56.you're working with two official refugee centres in Bangladesh with

:54:57. > :55:03.the UN Refugee Agency. What have you seen? Well, we're working in refugee

:55:04. > :55:09.camps that pre-existed this influx. OK. These two camps have seen around

:55:10. > :55:16.30,000 new arrivals in the last 12 days or so. That's a huge influx for

:55:17. > :55:20.these two camps. The resources are strained yet we are working the

:55:21. > :55:24.Government and NGOs to accommodate them as best we can to meet their

:55:25. > :55:29.life-saving needs and we are providing temporary shelter and food

:55:30. > :55:34.and medical care for those who need it. But they are in very bad

:55:35. > :55:40.condition as your other guest was saying. They are coming in barefoot.

:55:41. > :55:44.They've walked for days and days. In one case up to seven days. They

:55:45. > :55:49.report that after fleeing their villages, they have to hide in the

:55:50. > :55:53.jungle or in the mountains because they are afraid of being caught and

:55:54. > :56:00.eventually they reach Bangladesh and they were able to seek safety here,

:56:01. > :56:03.but even now, they are scattered. The new arrivals in Bangladesh are

:56:04. > :56:09.scattered in different low cautions. They are in some of the refugees

:56:10. > :56:12.camps where we work and they are in local villages and make-shift sites.

:56:13. > :56:16.There is a need to register them and get a sense of how many new arrivals

:56:17. > :56:21.are where and what their needs are. You met Aung San Suu Kyi. Why is she

:56:22. > :56:28.not speaking out against the persecution of the Rohingya? It's

:56:29. > :56:33.inexplicable her actions and it has disappointed a lot of people. If

:56:34. > :56:36.there was anyone who could have challenged the prejudice against

:56:37. > :56:42.Rohingya Muslims in particular, it's her. When you met her, you raised it

:56:43. > :56:46.with her. What was her response? She said she didn't want to speak out

:56:47. > :56:50.because if she did, she might raise tensions. We felt she didn't really

:56:51. > :56:57.understand the situation of the Rohingya. We encouraged her to go to

:56:58. > :57:01.see for herself, but she refused to do that. Is it to do with the

:57:02. > :57:07.strength of the military? Well, there is a theory... She doesn't

:57:08. > :57:12.want to instruct them to stop? The situation in Burma is strange. There

:57:13. > :57:17.is almost two governments. It was ten years ago, exactly ten years ago

:57:18. > :57:24.when the monks were marching in the streets and in response the military

:57:25. > :57:28.had to reform, but they kind of pulled a fast one, they created a

:57:29. > :57:31.new constitution. There is a democratic Government led by Aung

:57:32. > :57:35.San Suu Kyi, but she only controls things the military don't care b

:57:36. > :57:39.health, education, agriculture. The military are independent and they

:57:40. > :57:42.control the police and Security Services and they are the ones that

:57:43. > :57:47.are carrying out. She couldn't stop these attacks even if she wanted to

:57:48. > :57:54.do, even if she told the military to stop. But she hasn't. She has been

:57:55. > :58:00.acting as a propaganda arm for the military denying abuses are taking

:58:01. > :58:05.place and increasing tensions and fears of Muslims in the country. She

:58:06. > :58:11.gave an interzu in April to the BBC. She said there was not genocide

:58:12. > :58:15.going on, ethnic cleansing was too strong a term to use and she said

:58:16. > :58:23.that the country would welcome any returning Rohingya with open arms.

:58:24. > :58:26.It's simply not true. We have the United Nations has launched an

:58:27. > :58:31.investigation to assess what is going on with the Rohingya and what

:58:32. > :58:35.the military are doing to other ethnic groups in the country, but

:58:36. > :58:40.the UN said it is likely that what is taking place in Burma against the

:58:41. > :58:44.Rohingya and other ethnic groups is crimes against humanity and other

:58:45. > :58:49.war crimes. What will stop the violence against your people? The

:58:50. > :58:56.thing is military operation is not a solution. The solution is the

:58:57. > :59:07.Rohingya about been facing decades of persecution. So the thing is they

:59:08. > :59:11.must restore the rights, restore citizenship rights, the Rohingya

:59:12. > :59:16.have been facing many years. It is very important point and currently

:59:17. > :59:19.what I want to highlight here is, the international community

:59:20. > :59:24.collective action is needed to save the lives of Rohingya where day by

:59:25. > :59:28.day the death toll is increasingment according to our information we

:59:29. > :59:33.received at least 2,000 Rohingya confirmed killed. Some sources are

:59:34. > :59:39.saying more than 5,000. So, currently this is priority and also

:59:40. > :59:43.second priority is humanitarian aid must be allowed. So the

:59:44. > :59:51.international community world leaders, they can't be silent. They

:59:52. > :59:59.must speak. They must directly call the commander-in-chief who is the

:00:00. > :00:02.main person. So the international community, the world leaders, must

:00:03. > :00:06.call him and Aung San Suu Kyi to allow humanitarian aid access and to

:00:07. > :00:09.stop this immediately. That's the solution for now, thank you. Thank

:00:10. > :00:20.you very much for coming on our programme. Our guest has family and

:00:21. > :00:24.friends currently fleeing, Myanmar. In a moment we will bring you the

:00:25. > :00:27.news and sport. Now the weather. Here is Sarah Keith-Lucas.

:00:28. > :00:31.Our reporter Ashley John Baptiste has been following her story.

:00:32. > :00:38.A damp, murky start for many, but sunshine, too. This is the scene on

:00:39. > :00:43.the Shetland Isles at the moment, clearer conditions are moving in.

:00:44. > :00:47.Across northern and north-western parts, starting to brighten up.

:00:48. > :00:51.Towards England and Wales, lots of cloud and outbreaks of rain will

:00:52. > :00:55.last through the day. The rain will ease away towards the east. Where we

:00:56. > :01:00.see greater intervals toward southern England we could see 21 or

:01:01. > :01:05.22 degrees. Into this evening, we will lose the wet weather, and we

:01:06. > :01:09.all in the clearer, fresher conditions to start tomorrow. Double

:01:10. > :01:14.figures in towns and cities but a bit cooler in the countryside. A

:01:15. > :01:19.much fresher day on Wednesday with a fuse scattered showers and

:01:20. > :01:23.north-western Scotland, a view from north-west England. Elsewhere, a

:01:24. > :01:24.rather dry, bright and breezy day. Temperatures tomorrow cooler,

:01:25. > :01:29.between 16 and 20 degrees. Hello, it's Tuesday, it's ten

:01:30. > :01:39.o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Our top story...

:01:40. > :01:42.Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned of a global catastrophe if

:01:43. > :01:44.military tensions with North Korea continued to increase.

:01:45. > :01:46.The United States has warned the UN Security Council that

:01:47. > :02:00.He has described the prospect of a global catastrophe if the continued

:02:01. > :02:02.military ramping up continues at this pace.

:02:03. > :02:04.Is some form of military intervention now inevitable?

:02:05. > :02:15.Also sex workers tell us about the violence they have been subjected to

:02:16. > :02:18.from clients. Campaigners are stepping up their efforts calling

:02:19. > :02:19.for the decriminalisation of the industry.

:02:20. > :02:22.The person just put his hands around my neck and then he keep

:02:23. > :02:29.on pressing with one hand on my throat.

:02:30. > :02:34.And keep unflinchingly to the face until I passed out.

:02:35. > :02:41.More on that in the next half-hour. And we will pay tribute to

:02:42. > :02:45.21-year-old Dean Eastmond, who died of cancer at the weekend. We will

:02:46. > :02:48.speak to his boyfriend, his brother and his best friend.

:02:49. > :02:52.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:02:53. > :02:54.South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise of the country's

:02:55. > :02:57.east coast is a show of strength to North

:02:58. > :03:03.Korea following its latest nuclear test.

:03:04. > :03:06.It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

:03:07. > :03:09.The United States has warned the UN Security

:03:10. > :03:15.This programme has been told that at least 20 survivors and witnesses

:03:16. > :03:18.of the Grenfell Tower fire have attempted suicide.

:03:19. > :03:21.Charities Silence of Suicide and Justice4Grenfell say

:03:22. > :03:24.they base the claim on conversations with those supporting residents,

:03:25. > :03:27.though the BBC has been unable to independently verify the figure.

:03:28. > :03:29.They are calling for better long-term mental health

:03:30. > :03:42.Yvette Greenway has been supporting survivors, she has called for this.

:03:43. > :03:51.Psychological impact, the grieving, the trauma, PTSD, anxiety,

:03:52. > :03:53.depression, self harm and, sadly, suicide.

:03:54. > :03:55.One of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has

:03:56. > :03:58.warned that the terror threat level will remain at severe for at least

:03:59. > :04:01.Neil Basu, the national co-ordinator for counter-terrorism policing,

:04:02. > :04:04.described the risk to the UK as an unknown threat in our midst.

:04:05. > :04:06.He warned isolated communities and unregulated schooling

:04:07. > :04:10.in the UK were a breeding ground for extremism.

:04:11. > :04:17.There are currently about 600 active counter-terrorism investigations.

:04:18. > :04:19.A report into whether social services failed a young girl

:04:20. > :04:22.who was murdered by her mother will be published today.

:04:23. > :04:26.Ayeeshia Jane Smith died in 2014 aged 21 months.

:04:27. > :04:29.She had been left in the care of her mother, Kathryn Smith,

:04:30. > :04:31.despite concerns raised by other relatives.

:04:32. > :04:40.The findings of a serious case review will be published at midday.

:04:41. > :04:43.That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30.

:04:44. > :04:48.England came from behind at Wembley to beat Slovakia and stay top

:04:49. > :04:53.Marcus Rashford gave away possesion and the visistors took their chance

:04:54. > :05:04.brilliantly through Stanislav Lubotka.

:05:05. > :05:07.Rashford was two changes for England on on the night.

:05:08. > :05:10.A Slovakia win would have seen them move to the top of Group F,

:05:11. > :05:12.but Eric Dier equalised by halftime and Rashford lashed

:05:13. > :05:16.Two more points from their last two matches will see them

:05:17. > :05:20.But Dele Alli's involvement could be in the balance.

:05:21. > :05:23.He says that he showed the middle finger to his teamate Kyle Walker

:05:24. > :05:25.as they shared a joke and not the match official.

:05:26. > :05:27.Fifa will wait to see if the referees

:05:28. > :05:41.I've not seen, but I've been made aware of it. They were mucking

:05:42. > :05:49.about, Dele Alli made a gesture towards Kyle. I don't know what's

:05:50. > :05:56.been visible on the picture, what the angle of the picture is. The

:05:57. > :06:01.pair of them have a strange way of communicating, but that is what they

:06:02. > :06:04.have said when I have phrased it. As I say, I have not seen it myself.

:06:05. > :06:10.It's in Scotland's hands to finsih second behind England in Group F.

:06:11. > :06:16.It will not guarantee a play-off match but only one of the nine

:06:17. > :06:22.runners-up in the European groups will miss. -- Masoud. -- miss out.

:06:23. > :06:23.Christophe Berra and Leigh Griffiths got the goals

:06:24. > :06:28.wins will see them finish second and a chance

:06:29. > :06:32.Northern Ireland are sure of a runner's up spot after

:06:33. > :06:34.making it five wins in a row in qualifying,

:06:35. > :06:37.and they should be one of the best runners up with two games to play.

:06:38. > :06:40.West Brom's Jonny Evans and Chris Brunt with a lovely curled

:06:41. > :06:42.freekick saw them beat the Czech Republic.

:06:43. > :06:45.Group leaders Germany are next. Wells could move second in their

:06:46. > :06:47.group with a win over Moldova. -- Wales could.

:06:48. > :06:49.The first of the mens and woemn's quarterfinals later today.

:06:50. > :06:52.Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal play tomorrow and are still on collision

:06:53. > :06:56.Federer is going to play Juan Martin Del Potro and this

:06:57. > :06:59.The Russian teenager Andrey Rublev has set up

:07:00. > :07:02.The 19-year-old came through overnight after beating

:07:03. > :07:06.He is the first teenager since Andy Roddick back in 2001

:07:07. > :07:10.to make it this far in the mens draw.

:07:11. > :07:18.I'll be back with the headlines in the next half-hour.

:07:19. > :07:24.MPs are back in Parliament today, so our political Guru Norman Smith is

:07:25. > :07:32.back. So good to see you, Frank God you are back. I wish I could say the

:07:33. > :07:38.same! David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, will update the Commons

:07:39. > :07:42.today with Brexit negotiations. What will he say? I think he will say

:07:43. > :07:46.don't panic, hang on in there, it will be all right in the end.

:07:47. > :07:51.Everything we have heard from the Brussels and has been oh dear, oh

:07:52. > :07:56.dear. No progress has been made, you guys don't know what you are doing,

:07:57. > :08:01.it is going awfully slowly. So David Davis will try to reassure MPs he

:08:02. > :08:04.has a grip on what he is doing, he has a plan and we are not running

:08:05. > :08:11.out of time. The thinking in team Davis seems to be, OK, Mr Barnier,

:08:12. > :08:16.the main EU negotiator, might not be too impressed with is but the people

:08:17. > :08:20.who really matter, not just Mr Barnier but the leaders of big EU

:08:21. > :08:24.countries like France and Germany, the hope is they will be much more

:08:25. > :08:29.amenable to Britain and in time they will say we have to cut a deal with

:08:30. > :08:33.the Brits and stop faffing around, stopped dawdling around, let's not

:08:34. > :08:37.talk endlessly about divorce arrangements, let's get talking

:08:38. > :08:41.about a trade deal. I think Mr Davies will try to calm MPs who are

:08:42. > :08:45.nervous that he is about like the boy on the burning deck with the

:08:46. > :08:50.flames licking up HUS Brexit as we drift listlessly towards the rocks,

:08:51. > :08:55.they will say hang on, it is under control, I have a plan.

:08:56. > :08:59.Let me ask you about the EU Withdrawal Bill. Explain what it is

:09:00. > :09:06.and then explained the contentious issues around it.

:09:07. > :09:13.It sounds like an exam question! Discuss! It is a technical bill

:09:14. > :09:19.which brings into British law all the many thousands of bits and

:09:20. > :09:23.pieces of EU law and regulation, that govern pretty much every nook

:09:24. > :09:27.and cranny of our daily lives. The thinking is you need to put it into

:09:28. > :09:33.British law so that when we leave we do knowledge into legal limbo. That

:09:34. > :09:40.is the easy part. The difficult part, politically, is that Mrs May's

:09:41. > :09:43.opponents over Brexit see this as a perfect vehicle for causing all

:09:44. > :09:48.sorts of trouble for Mrs May, for piling in with a whole load of

:09:49. > :09:52.amendments to say, for example, if we leave the EU we must stay in the

:09:53. > :09:57.single market or the customs union or MPs must have a vote before any

:09:58. > :10:03.final deal is sealed off. In other words, it will be the flash point

:10:04. > :10:10.for, I'm afraid, potentially months of parliamentary tussle and

:10:11. > :10:15.late-night votes over Brexit. That is the truth about where we now are.

:10:16. > :10:20.Before the summer recess it was all about survival, could Mrs May claw

:10:21. > :10:24.her way through to the recess? She did that, got a deal with the DUP

:10:25. > :10:29.and dumped a load of legislation, now the name of the game is Brexit

:10:30. > :10:34.land, we will be utterly and totally dominated here at Westminster by

:10:35. > :10:39.Brexit. It will be Brexit the breakfast, Brexit the lunch, Brexit

:10:40. > :10:50.the dinner, Brexit fellate Metis and toast, it will be nonstop Brexit.

:10:51. > :10:54.-- Brexit for late night dinner and toast. I will not get you to answer

:10:55. > :10:58.these questions, they are too easy for you, but using your own

:10:59. > :11:03.knowledge as well as the extract, it gives an extract which I will not

:11:04. > :11:06.bore you with, identify and explain two reasons why by-election results

:11:07. > :11:12.is pure indicator of general election outcomes. I can do that

:11:13. > :11:17.one. I know you can. Voting is election should only be seen as one

:11:18. > :11:21.way of measuring political participation, discuss. That is

:11:22. > :11:27.where 25 marks. Away from that exam paper and back to the real world...

:11:28. > :11:31.You think this is the real world?! Back to the Westminster bubble,

:11:32. > :11:36.which you try to burst for us on a daily basis, which I'm very pleased

:11:37. > :11:42.about, Labour will vote against the second reading of the withdrawal

:11:43. > :11:46.Bill? Explain what a second reading is and the significance of Labour

:11:47. > :11:52.voting against it? The second reading is the big vote, the key

:11:53. > :11:57.vote in which MPs say whether they are in favour of the principal

:11:58. > :12:01.behind a bill. If you vote against that it basically means we just

:12:02. > :12:07.disagree, we will not back it, come what may. That will not be the key

:12:08. > :12:13.flash point in this tussle now looming over the withdrawal Bill. It

:12:14. > :12:17.will be debated on Thursday the vote will be on Monday, it will drift

:12:18. > :12:23.over the weekend and dominate the papers, but it will not be the big

:12:24. > :12:27.moment. The reason is that Tory MPs, with Mrs May over Brexit, will not

:12:28. > :12:31.support Labour in voting against the second reading on Monday. The reason

:12:32. > :12:37.for that is they don't want to be seen as if they are in Jeremy

:12:38. > :12:43.Corbyn's back pocket, as they are playing his game. Down the line in

:12:44. > :12:49.the autumn, critical Tory MPs will pop up with their own amendment and

:12:50. > :12:54.those against the Government. All the things about staying in the

:12:55. > :13:01.single market, giving MPs are bigger say. Don't expect the critical bust

:13:02. > :13:08.ups on Monday, we will have to wait until after the party conferences,

:13:09. > :13:12.November, December, January, all those tense, late-night, knife edge

:13:13. > :13:17.votes where there is a possibility, because Mrs May has a tiny majority,

:13:18. > :13:21.that she could be defeated. That poses the huge question, what does

:13:22. > :13:26.that mean for Brexit? Does that derail some of the Brexit plans?

:13:27. > :13:31.Does it dent her authority and reignite the questions about

:13:32. > :13:36.leadership? We are entering into very, very dangerous times for Mrs

:13:37. > :13:41.May down the line. Thank you, Norman Smith. So good to have him back,

:13:42. > :13:42.Norman speaking in plain, normal language about the world of

:13:43. > :13:44.politics, which is good. In the UK, there are

:13:45. > :13:46.thousands of sex workers - that is people who sell

:13:47. > :13:49.sexual services for money. It's not illegal to sell sex,

:13:50. > :13:51.but almost every activity associated with the trade -

:13:52. > :13:55.from brothel keeping to soliciting - is, which means that many women

:13:56. > :13:58.in the industry face the prospect of being charged with an offence,

:13:59. > :14:00.and often take risks So might decriminalisation

:14:01. > :14:11.of the sex-industry be the best way One activist and former sex worker

:14:12. > :14:19.who goes by Suzie - although that's Earlier, we played a film

:14:20. > :14:26.Suzie made for us - I have worked in the sex industry

:14:27. > :14:40.on and off in my adult life. There's a perception that sex work

:14:41. > :14:43.is inherently degrading, that it's morally wrong,

:14:44. > :14:46.but when you look at it compared to the other low paid, long hours,

:14:47. > :14:48.incredibly physically demanding jobs, it's often the best

:14:49. > :14:58.choice for people. According to one estimate,

:14:59. > :15:00.there are nearly 73,000 sex There's no doubt that some of those

:15:01. > :15:12.people are coerced into selling sex. But, to be clear, this

:15:13. > :15:14.film isn't about people who are coerced into prostitution

:15:15. > :15:20.against their will. It's about people who have made

:15:21. > :15:23.a decision to work in the sex industry and how the law often fails

:15:24. > :15:26.to protect those people. I'm Maria from Portugal.

:15:27. > :15:30.I'm a sex worker. Maria, not her real name,

:15:31. > :15:33.says she was working with a group of women at a brothel in London

:15:34. > :15:36.when she became the victim I was in a house working with a few

:15:37. > :15:46.different girls and then five or six different guys just came

:15:47. > :15:48.inside of the house. The security opened

:15:49. > :15:49.the door for them. And then they just went with knives

:15:50. > :15:58.and they just took all the money. The police arrived soon

:15:59. > :16:01.after to investigate but Maria explained that the police seemed

:16:02. > :16:03.to be as interested in the work going on the premises

:16:04. > :16:12.as in the robbery itself. Maria explained that it

:16:13. > :16:14.is for precisely this reason that sex workers

:16:15. > :16:16.are often reluctant to report violent crime to the police for fear

:16:17. > :16:20.of being investigated themselves. If they call the police,

:16:21. > :16:23.the police will just see the place that they are working and they will

:16:24. > :16:26.say to leave or something, I'm originally from Romania.

:16:27. > :16:37.I'm a sex worker. I've been a sex worker

:16:38. > :16:39.for the last five years. I've been working

:16:40. > :16:46.in Soho ever since. Suzanne, once again not her real

:16:47. > :16:48.name, has an even more Sadly, some years ago,

:16:49. > :16:52.Suzanne was the victim of a violent around my neck and then he keep

:16:53. > :16:58.on pressing with one hand on my throat and keep on punching me

:16:59. > :17:01.to the face until I passed out. Fortunately, Suzanne was working

:17:02. > :17:12.with someone that night, her receptionist, who was eventually

:17:13. > :17:15.able to call for medical help. But she believes that,

:17:16. > :17:17.had she been working alone, she might not have

:17:18. > :17:20.survived the attack. If it wasn't for her that night,

:17:21. > :17:29.no one could have woken me up. The thing that sex workers want is

:17:30. > :17:32.full decriminalisation of sex work. But as long as the law continues

:17:33. > :17:35.to act as an incentive to unsafe working practices,

:17:36. > :17:37.more sex workers like the women we've heard from in this

:17:38. > :17:40.film will be at risk Let's talk now to Nikki

:17:41. > :17:50.Adams from the English Thangham Debbonaire a Labour MP

:17:51. > :17:54.who campaigns on the issue, and Kat Banyard,

:17:55. > :17:56.who is the founder of UK Feminista, a UK feminist pressure group,

:17:57. > :18:10.and author of the book Pimp State. Do you accept if you go into sex

:18:11. > :18:17.work you are taking a risk with your safety? I think the ways the laws

:18:18. > :18:27.are organised at the moment, yes, you are. There is a contradiction in

:18:28. > :18:32.how you would want to work in order to save arrest. Even working

:18:33. > :18:36.together on the street with other women, which is a much better way of

:18:37. > :18:40.doing it and women go to a lot of effort to bring in all these kind of

:18:41. > :18:44.safety measures like trying to work with a friend, somebody that takes

:18:45. > :18:47.down the registration number of a car you're getting into, all those

:18:48. > :18:52.kinds of things. Women work very hard to keep themselves safe, but

:18:53. > :18:57.that puts new a very risk situation of being arrested and prosecuted.

:18:58. > :19:01.What would be wrong with for example decriminalising brothel keeping? So

:19:02. > :19:05.that women could work together and hopefully be better protected? Well,

:19:06. > :19:10.prostitution is a form of sexual exploitation and we see from

:19:11. > :19:13.countries where they have completely relaxed the laws, that is making

:19:14. > :19:19.brothel keeping and pimping legal that all it does is expand the trade

:19:20. > :19:24.and magnify the harm. So in Germany, which did what was requested in this

:19:25. > :19:28.film... No, no, we don't want legalisation as in Germany. What we

:19:29. > :19:33.are saying, we want full decriminalisation. It means that

:19:34. > :19:38.you're subject to the same... You're subject to the same laws as everyone

:19:39. > :19:45.else. Let her finish. Which would enable what happened in Germany

:19:46. > :19:48.which is chains of so-called megabrothels where dozens of women

:19:49. > :19:55.in the same building see hundreds of men. The trade is now estimated to

:19:56. > :19:59.be worth 14 billion euros a year in Germany and they have a huge problem

:20:00. > :20:03.with human trafficking. What the film fails to do is give a fair and

:20:04. > :20:08.accurate picture of prostitution in the UK. That wasn't the premise

:20:09. > :20:11.which we made clear in the film. We have talked about the industry many

:20:12. > :20:17.times on this programme and all the angles that are involved. Today, we

:20:18. > :20:21.were talking specifically about those women who are arguing for

:20:22. > :20:27.decriminalisation in order to better protect themselves. Do you accept

:20:28. > :20:34.the way the laws are set out, it doesn't protect women who go and

:20:35. > :20:37.choose to be a sex worker? The use of the word, "Choose" Is

:20:38. > :20:40.problematic. We need to think about who gets involved in prostitution

:20:41. > :20:43.and how they are prosecuted and what the consequences are. You watched

:20:44. > :20:47.the film... I haven't seen the hole film. Well, the women in that

:20:48. > :20:57.film... Had been hurt. Had been hurt. By clients. But made their own

:20:58. > :21:03.choice to be a sex worker. I'm not sure we know that. I know women who

:21:04. > :21:07.have been coerced and research that took place in Bristol found there

:21:08. > :21:12.were 65 brothels operating and in those organised crime was taking

:21:13. > :21:16.place in three-quarters of them. Women have been trafficked, coerced

:21:17. > :21:21.and forced, legalising doesn't make it safe. I want to see placing

:21:22. > :21:28.responsibility for harm on the pimps and the punters, the member who buy

:21:29. > :21:29.and sell other women's bodies. Nikki, legalising or

:21:30. > :21:34.decriminalising, whichever word you prefer to use, does not make women

:21:35. > :21:38.safer? But it does because you saw from the film those are two women in

:21:39. > :21:43.our organisation. We know, their situation came out well in the film

:21:44. > :21:47.and what we are saying is if they decriminalise you remove the

:21:48. > :21:50.criminal laws and you're subject to the same laws of the land and the

:21:51. > :21:55.same laws that apply to other workers and what you can do is use

:21:56. > :21:59.the protections that other workers have in order to improve your

:22:00. > :22:03.working conditions. Health and safety in a normal job is not the

:22:04. > :22:08.same. If I work in a bakery, my boss can say, "You need to bake that loaf

:22:09. > :22:13.of bread." If I refuse to bake it, my boss can sack me. If I'm

:22:14. > :22:16.exploited as a prostitute and someone says I'm going to pay to

:22:17. > :22:21.have sex with you and I change my mind for whatever reason and they

:22:22. > :22:24.insist on having their contract fulfilled then they are raping me

:22:25. > :22:29.and I have no choice. That's not a job like any other. That isn't how

:22:30. > :22:32.it works in practise. We are fighting against terrible working.

:22:33. > :22:37.No, but you're talking about women, you have to ask women who are

:22:38. > :22:41.currently in sex work what, where there are bad working conditions and

:22:42. > :22:45.where there is exploitation... When you're on your own. What do you

:22:46. > :22:48.want? The last thing they would say is for their clients to be

:22:49. > :22:54.criminalised because that ends up in a crackdown on prostitution. In some

:22:55. > :22:59.ways. Sorry... Last point. The fact is we're sitting here at this moment

:23:00. > :23:05.where one and a quarter people in this country are destitute. People

:23:06. > :23:10.seeking asylum are living on ?36. Prostitution is... Prostitution is

:23:11. > :23:21.not the solution to that, Nikki, it really is not. Don't talk over each

:23:22. > :23:26.other because people can't hear you. The trafficking of women and girls

:23:27. > :23:29.into this country to be brutally exploited in the prostitution trade

:23:30. > :23:35.is worth at least ?130 million annually. We have to tackle that.

:23:36. > :23:39.And the key link in the human trafficking chain is sex buyers. It

:23:40. > :23:43.is their money that lines the pockets of pimps and traffickers.

:23:44. > :23:53.That is why our laws have to tackle that. We need a law that

:23:54. > :23:59.criminalises paying for sex, but decriminalises... Hang on. Don't

:24:00. > :24:03.speak at the same time. What is best for women that are in... You're

:24:04. > :24:07.railroading over what women say they want. You're listening to one group

:24:08. > :24:13.of women and I'm listening to another group of women who tell me

:24:14. > :24:21.about sexual exploitation and violence and rape. If you're on your

:24:22. > :24:28.own with a man who has paid for sex, having someone in the next door...

:24:29. > :24:32.You're safer... You're not. You are safer to work if you are working

:24:33. > :24:35.with other people. You have a false picture of safety. Yes. When you

:24:36. > :24:39.come down to the harm of prostitution. Women make a decision

:24:40. > :24:44.to go into prostitution weighing up the other optionsment It doesn't

:24:45. > :24:51.make it OK. One of the ways that we could tackle the abuse and

:24:52. > :25:02.exploitation in prostitution is make it easier for women to leave. Jeremy

:25:03. > :25:07.Corbyn and John McDonnell are compromising against austerity.

:25:08. > :25:15.Sexual exploitation is not the solution for austerity. Don't talk

:25:16. > :25:18.over each other, please! We cannot make sexual exploitation safe. We

:25:19. > :25:23.can end the demand that drives the exploitation and that will be

:25:24. > :25:26.critical to Theresa May achieving her drive of tackling modern day

:25:27. > :25:27.slavery. Thank you all. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming on

:25:28. > :25:36.the programme. Thank you. The findings of a Serious Case

:25:37. > :25:38.Review into the death of a Staffordshire toddler

:25:39. > :25:41.who was stamped to death by her mother will be

:25:42. > :25:42.published at midday. We'll be talking to a child

:25:43. > :25:45.abuse solicitor to see "Begging for war" is how the US

:25:46. > :25:49.describes North Korea following its sixth and most

:25:50. > :25:55.powerful nuclear test. Overnight, the South Korean Navy

:25:56. > :25:58.says it has carried out more live fire drills in response

:25:59. > :26:00.to the nuclear test by Pyongyang. The US says all options

:26:01. > :26:02.are the table to deal with the threat and North Korea

:26:03. > :26:05.is believed to be So where is this game

:26:06. > :26:08.of brinkmanship going to end? Is military intervention

:26:09. > :26:10.to stop North Korea getting Let's talk to Anneke Green,

:26:11. > :26:19.Republican and former speechwriter for President George W Bush

:26:20. > :26:22.and now Columnist for Real Clear Politics who thinks

:26:23. > :26:24.President Trump should be Dr Grant Christopher,

:26:25. > :26:30.Programme Manager for Non-Proliferation,

:26:31. > :26:32.Ridgeway Information, who thinks military action isn't inevitable,

:26:33. > :26:33.but is definitely becoming Mark Tokola is a retired

:26:34. > :26:40.member of the US senior foreign service and head

:26:41. > :26:43.of the Korean Economic Institute - who thinks that there are many more

:26:44. > :26:46.diplomatic steps to be taken before military action is needed to stop

:26:47. > :27:00.North Korea's nuclear programme. Welcome all of you. That was a very

:27:01. > :27:05.long introduction, but you are the three key people to talk to about

:27:06. > :27:09.this. Mark, as a retired member of the US senior foreign service, I

:27:10. > :27:15.want you to tell me what you think is most likely to happen next? Well,

:27:16. > :27:19.I think most likely we're going to have discussion of what steps could

:27:20. > :27:22.be taken to try to put more pressure on North Korea. I think there is

:27:23. > :27:29.some options that could be taken. I don't think we are close to having a

:27:30. > :27:37.conflict. There will be more discussion between the US and China

:27:38. > :27:41.and the US and South Korea. Grant Christopher, what do you

:27:42. > :27:46.think? It is not inevitable, but it seems probable. All we need to do to

:27:47. > :27:50.see that is to listen to what people from the Trump administration have

:27:51. > :27:53.been saying. If you look at the Kim regime, the conventional narrative

:27:54. > :27:57.is they are just interested in survival. That's why he has

:27:58. > :28:00.eliminated rivals and that's why they're keeping nuclear weapons to

:28:01. > :28:04.deter the US from attacking them. However, from a New York Times

:28:05. > :28:08.report yesterday, there is a report that in the White House, there is a

:28:09. > :28:12.view that has taken hold that these weapons are being developed to

:28:13. > :28:19.threaten the US or coerce the US. Right. So they will have the nuclear

:28:20. > :28:22.weapons and maybe they will be able to attack South Korea or have more

:28:23. > :28:27.freedom to do military action in the region. That's a very dangerous

:28:28. > :28:31.point of view and that point, if that point of view wins then war

:28:32. > :28:35.becomes more likely and a lot of people will die. What sort of war?

:28:36. > :28:41.It could be a conventional war. It could be a conventional nuclear war

:28:42. > :28:45.or a nuclear war with both sides exchanging nuclear weapons. The most

:28:46. > :28:50.likely would be a conventional war from the US side and a nuclear

:28:51. > :28:57.chemical bio war from the Korean side. Oh my goodness. I mean,

:28:58. > :29:01.Annika, where are you on this? I don't think that the Trump

:29:02. > :29:05.administration is hoping for a war with North Korea. I do know that

:29:06. > :29:11.North Korea is the foreign actor that he is most concerned about, but

:29:12. > :29:16.I have been interpreting his statements as well as the second of

:29:17. > :29:19.Davis mat Is who came out on Sunday and talked about the hydrogen test

:29:20. > :29:24.that North Korea claimed to have carried out as a type of signal. It

:29:25. > :29:28.is a diplomacy. It sounds harsher than what we have been used to

:29:29. > :29:33.hearing, but it maybe time for that kind of talk now given that previous

:29:34. > :29:39.attempts and softer language has done nothing to deter North Korea

:29:40. > :29:45.from even if it is survival, they see survival as taking South Korea

:29:46. > :29:52.back. What do you think President Trump's red line is when it comes to

:29:53. > :29:55.North Korea? That's a good question. I interpreted the missile that was

:29:56. > :29:59.shot over Japan as an intentional provocation of the United States. As

:30:00. > :30:04.Japan is another nation that is dependant on the United States for

:30:05. > :30:08.military assistance and so, that was not an accident that that happened

:30:09. > :30:13.and that was the target that they chose. So for Trump, with that being

:30:14. > :30:17.very aggressive, I think that something would have to be attacked

:30:18. > :30:21.or they have intelligence indicating that, that they consider credible

:30:22. > :30:27.for there to be that movement. In the meantime they can do things and

:30:28. > :30:30.send the military up the coast. The South Korea announcement that they

:30:31. > :30:33.are doing exercises with live fire is another signal to North Korea and

:30:34. > :30:34.they are supported by the United States. Mark, what do you think

:30:35. > :30:44.President Trump's red line might be? He has not been clear. That is

:30:45. > :30:49.probably wise, if you describe and then North Korea will try to press

:30:50. > :30:55.up against it. I don't think the missile flight over Japan was the

:30:56. > :30:59.maximum they could have done. They avoided sending a missile towards

:31:00. > :31:03.one. Previous missiles have splashed in the seat to the west of Japan.

:31:04. > :31:08.They tried to pick up a part of Japan that is least populated to fly

:31:09. > :31:12.over. North Korea has many options in which direction to shoot, that

:31:13. > :31:17.was not the worst. Grant, what with North Korea had to do to provoke the

:31:18. > :31:23.US into taking military action? -- what would North Korea had to do? We

:31:24. > :31:27.don't know the red line for the Trump administration. We know what

:31:28. > :31:32.would be well over it, and invasion of South Korea or a strike on Guam.

:31:33. > :31:35.But there is a lot of space between. Perhaps the administration is being

:31:36. > :31:42.deliberately vague or perhaps they are having problems with messaging.

:31:43. > :31:47.We have seen over and over again the administration contradicting each

:31:48. > :31:52.other on a really important policy matters, be it Trump treating all

:31:53. > :31:58.going of the script in addresses versus the very well worded address

:31:59. > :32:03.from the Defence Secretary yesterday. Thank you all very much

:32:04. > :32:07.for coming on the programme. We have some breaking news to do

:32:08. > :32:14.with G4S, they have suspended a tenth member of staff at Brookhouse

:32:15. > :32:18.following last night's BBC Panorama programme, I don't know if you saw

:32:19. > :32:22.that but the footage was unbelievable, very shocking. The

:32:23. > :32:25.employee was one of five workers are restricted duties. A former G4S

:32:26. > :32:30.worker now employed by the Home Office has also been suspended, it

:32:31. > :32:33.is understood that disciplinary proceedings against G4S staff

:32:34. > :32:42.allegedly involved will begin within days and the company is appointing

:32:43. > :32:49.an outside expert to consult tonne conduct a review on Brookhouse and

:32:50. > :32:54.other centres run by G4S. And just to bring you this breaking

:32:55. > :32:59.news, this is from West Midlands Police, four alleged members of the

:33:00. > :33:03.band neo-Nazi group National Action have been arrested on suspicion of

:33:04. > :33:09.preparing acts of terror. That is just in from West Midlands Police,

:33:10. > :33:14.four members of the ban neo-Nazi group, National Action, have been

:33:15. > :33:16.arrested on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism.

:33:17. > :33:19.Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:33:20. > :33:21.South Korea's Navy has staged a major exercise off the country's

:33:22. > :33:24.east coast as a show of strength to North

:33:25. > :33:25.Korea following its latest nuclear test.

:33:26. > :33:28.It said Pyongyang's forces would be buried at sea in the event

:33:29. > :33:31.The United States has warned the UN Security

:33:32. > :33:43.The 46-year-old woman has been charged with fraud after making

:33:44. > :33:47.claims for support being provided for survivors of the Grenfell Tower

:33:48. > :33:48.disaster. The woman from Sutton in south London will appear at

:33:49. > :33:51.Westminster magistrates today. The Brexit Secretary David Davis

:33:52. > :33:54.will face questions in the Commons this afternoon as MPs return

:33:55. > :33:56.to Westminster after He will give an update on last

:33:57. > :34:00.week's third round of negotiations with the European Union

:34:01. > :34:02.as Downing Street promises to That's a summary of

:34:03. > :34:13.the latest BBC News. Join me at 11am

:34:14. > :34:17.for BB Newsroom Live. These are our headlines this

:34:18. > :34:21.morning - Fifa will wait for the referee's report at Wembley

:34:22. > :34:24.before deciding if England's Dele Alli should be charged

:34:25. > :34:26.for an obscene hand gesture. He says it was a joke

:34:27. > :34:29.with a teamate and not directed England came from behind

:34:30. > :34:32.to beat Slovakia 2-1. Marcus Rashford with the winner

:34:33. > :34:35.to keep them top of their group. They'll qualify for Russia

:34:36. > :34:37.with just two points Scotland beat Malta

:34:38. > :34:40.2-0 at Hampden Park - wins in their last two games should

:34:41. > :34:43.put them into the play-off Northern Ireland are looking good

:34:44. > :34:48.for a play-off spot - their 2-0 win over the Czech

:34:49. > :34:50.Republic in Belfast assures them 19-year-old Russian Andrei Rublev

:34:51. > :34:57.has become the first teenager since 2001 to reach the US

:34:58. > :35:02.Open quarter-finals. He plays his

:35:03. > :35:05.childhood hero Rafa Nadal next. Roger Federer also came

:35:06. > :35:18.through his match overnight. I will have more sport on BBC news

:35:19. > :35:19.in the next hour. Thank you.

:35:20. > :35:22.A Serious Case Review into the death of a Staffordshire toddler

:35:23. > :35:24.who was stamped to death by her mother has

:35:25. > :35:27.Ayeeshia Jane Smith, who was 21 months old,

:35:28. > :35:47.In a moment we will speak to Peter Saunders, founder of The National

:35:48. > :35:49.Association For People Abuse, and also the president of The

:35:50. > :35:50.Association Of Child Abuse Lawyers. Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu has

:35:51. > :35:59.been reading the report. What does the reviews say? It has

:36:00. > :36:03.made nine recommendations in total, including things like taking into

:36:04. > :36:08.account the mother's mental health and her historic drug abuse, the

:36:09. > :36:12.relationships of her ex-partners, some of them were violent, and the

:36:13. > :36:15.child 's I found the mother's life, and not focusing too much on the

:36:16. > :36:22.fact that the mother is a victim of domestic violence. The review also

:36:23. > :36:26.recommended that Derbyshire safeguarding children board should

:36:27. > :36:31.undertake a multi-agency audit of children subject to a supervision

:36:32. > :36:37.order to make sure that the care plans put post-supervision orders

:36:38. > :36:40.are robust. This little girl was subject to a supervision order? She

:36:41. > :36:46.was subject to a number of different orders. The review also found that a

:36:47. > :36:49.lot of the professionals were in and out of her life but the focus was

:36:50. > :36:53.too much placed on the mother and the relationships she was having

:36:54. > :36:57.rather than the mother's relationship with the child. The

:36:58. > :37:04.review also concluded that with all the facts and evidence presented

:37:05. > :37:07.predicting that Ayeeshia's mother would have killed her was not

:37:08. > :37:12.possible. Let me bring in Peter Saunders and

:37:13. > :37:16.Peter Gosden. Good morning. Peter Saunders, how do you respond to some

:37:17. > :37:24.of the news emerging from the review? In the 20 years that my

:37:25. > :37:29.organisation has been running, I have kind of lost count of how many

:37:30. > :37:35.times I have been asked to comment on the merger or abuse of children

:37:36. > :37:39.and the ensuing serious case reviews. And once again we're having

:37:40. > :37:45.this discussion. I think it is really important at this point, and

:37:46. > :37:49.the National organisation for the survivors, because mercifully most

:37:50. > :37:54.children who are battered and abused as children to grow up and we pick

:37:55. > :37:57.up the pieces on a daily basis, but I think this reiterates the

:37:58. > :38:02.importance of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse that

:38:03. > :38:07.is being undertaken. It is the largest such inquiry ever undertaken

:38:08. > :38:14.and it needs to be supported, because we have far too many of

:38:15. > :38:19.these child deaths. We don't, actually. It is important to say it

:38:20. > :38:24.is rare. This is horrific and tragic. We have to putted into

:38:25. > :38:29.context but it is not rare to the child whose life has been lost, and

:38:30. > :38:33.to the families affected by this. It is about sending messages out. I

:38:34. > :38:39.have only had the chance to briefly read the report, it has just come

:38:40. > :38:43.out. They're always lessons to be learned and there was lots of good

:38:44. > :38:47.practice. Point number one is we have to remember who killed this

:38:48. > :38:53.child at the end of the day, it was her mother but there was clearly

:38:54. > :38:58.disorganisation around the agencies that were there to support the

:38:59. > :39:03.mother and to ultimately save that child, and I am afraid she was let

:39:04. > :39:08.down. Let me bring in a representative from the Association

:39:09. > :39:13.Of Child Abuse Lawyers. , the agencies around them and this little

:39:14. > :39:16.girl concentrated too much on the mum's relationships with other men

:39:17. > :39:22.rather than her relationship with the child. I am to say that these

:39:23. > :39:28.serious case reviews are all too Common and the same messages come

:39:29. > :39:31.out over and over again. That opportunities to do more have been

:39:32. > :39:42.missed and that the agencies don't work together enough to be proactive

:39:43. > :39:46.rather than reactive. There are very well orchestrated solutions to this

:39:47. > :39:56.problem, which I have campaigned for the many years. It is mandatory

:39:57. > :39:59.reporting. That would be a method of creating a better joint of

:40:00. > :40:03.communication process for all the different agencies so that when

:40:04. > :40:08.intelligence is discovered about a child at risk, it is put on some

:40:09. > :40:15.sort of collective database which I would advocate should be led by the

:40:16. > :40:18.local authority designated officer, all the information is centralised.

:40:19. > :40:23.There is one collection point over and over again, there is not enough

:40:24. > :40:28.working together, despite the best efforts of public services. I

:40:29. > :40:33.understand the campaign for mandatory reporting, we have covered

:40:34. > :40:36.it on the programme a number of times, but in the case of this

:40:37. > :40:40.little girl I am not sure how that would have helped save her life, as

:40:41. > :40:45.you have heard the reviews said no one could predict that in the end

:40:46. > :40:50.the mum would kill her own daughter? No. Obviously I have not read the

:40:51. > :40:55.report, it has only just come out, I would need to study it in more

:40:56. > :40:58.detail. But once again we have a comment but not enough concentration

:40:59. > :41:06.was placed on the child, which echoes what Peters says that the

:41:07. > :41:10.victim is often lost in this and concentration is put on the way in

:41:11. > :41:15.which the local authority social workers behaved towards the family.

:41:16. > :41:19.Lessons can always be learned and I am sure they will be in this case.

:41:20. > :41:22.Thank you both very much. A paedophile has been jailed for

:41:23. > :41:25.16 years after admitting rape, despite being thousands of miles

:41:26. > :41:42.away when the offences happened. John Denison has more. Pretty

:41:43. > :41:47.horrendous, one of the senior police officers involved described it as

:41:48. > :41:51.the most disturbing of his career. Paul Leighton, 32 from Seaham in

:41:52. > :41:59.County Durham, he set up up to 40 fake Facebook accounts to befriend

:42:00. > :42:03.children in the UK, but primarily in the United States, Australia,

:42:04. > :42:09.Canada. He persuaded them, posing often as young girls themselves, he

:42:10. > :42:15.persuaded those boys, often, to send naked selfies of themselves to him,

:42:16. > :42:19.he then blackmailed those children into committing horrific abuse. In

:42:20. > :42:26.one case a 14-year-old boy from Florida was blackmailed into raping

:42:27. > :42:30.his own one-year-old niece. Another case in Tennessee, a young girl

:42:31. > :42:37.blackmailed into having sex with her own brother.

:42:38. > :42:43.Do we have details about how he was tracked down? We don't. I think

:42:44. > :42:46.police have been... Of these specialist team is looking into the

:42:47. > :42:52.use of social media. I think the lesson the police will be pointed

:42:53. > :42:55.out here is don't send naked pictures of yourself, young

:42:56. > :42:59.children, you just don't know who you are dealing with online. What is

:43:00. > :43:04.unusual about this case is he admitted three counts of rape, even

:43:05. > :43:08.though he was thousands and thousands of miles away from the

:43:09. > :43:13.offence... Where the offences took place. I should add that the

:43:14. > :43:16.children who carried out those rapes overseas have also been picked up in

:43:17. > :43:19.the United States. Thank you very much.

:43:20. > :43:21.Former Girls Aloud singer Cheryl says she's "disappointed"

:43:22. > :43:23.to have her role in L'Oreal's diversity campaign questioned

:43:24. > :43:27.She has dropped her surname, whichever one it was!

:43:28. > :43:29.Yesterday model Munroe Bergdorf told us she couldn't understand why she'd

:43:30. > :43:32.been sacked for saying white people benefit from racism

:43:33. > :43:38.This has been world news and it's not something that

:43:39. > :43:42.I shouldn't be sacked for calling out racism

:43:43. > :43:45.when I was in a campaign that was meant to be

:43:46. > :43:53.Especially when I was speaking about the violence of white people,

:43:54. > :43:57.but then they've got Cheryl Cole on the campaign and she was

:43:58. > :44:01.convicted for actively punching a black woman in the face.

:44:02. > :44:04.I don't understand how I'm not in line with their values

:44:05. > :44:07.but they will hire Cheryl Cole over and over again and give her

:44:08. > :44:10.more and more chances but she was convicted for punching

:44:11. > :44:15.Does she not deserve a second chance?

:44:16. > :44:19.I think if you're going to put a woman who punched a black woman

:44:20. > :44:22.in the face as the face of diversity that just says a lot about white

:44:23. > :44:26.In a statement after that interview Chery's

:44:27. > :44:31."More than 14 years ago Cheryl was unanimously acquitted

:44:32. > :44:35.of a charge of racially aggravated assault.

:44:36. > :44:37.She is disappointed to find her name involved in

:44:38. > :44:43.In 2003, Cheryl was found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily

:44:44. > :44:45.harm following an altercation with nightclub toilet

:44:46. > :44:55.She was sentenced to 120 hours of community service

:44:56. > :45:03.and ordered to pay her victim ?500 in compensation.

:45:04. > :45:07.21-year-old Dean Eastmond died of cancer at the weekend.

:45:08. > :45:10.The LGBT activist touched thousands of people with his frank,

:45:11. > :45:16.poignant and moving articles about living with cancer.

:45:17. > :45:18.He was diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma, a rare form of bone

:45:19. > :45:29.This is him speaking to Attitude magazine earlier this year.

:45:30. > :45:34.Being diagnosed with cancer is exactly how you imagine it to be,

:45:35. > :45:37.like when you watch TV and you see it, dark, dingy, clammy,

:45:38. > :45:40.grey room and the doctor doesn't even know how to look

:45:41. > :45:53.They deal the news that, "Hey, you've got stage 2B Ewing's Sarcoma

:45:54. > :45:56.on your rib on the right-hand side of your chest and there's only

:45:57. > :45:59.a 50% chance that you're going to see your 21st birthday."

:46:00. > :46:01.I think it was last month when I heard that my

:46:02. > :46:06.treatment was not successful and the cancer had spread.

:46:07. > :46:10."But we're not here to make you better.

:46:11. > :46:17."We're here to try and stop from dying."

:46:18. > :46:21.I come across so brave and positive online,

:46:22. > :46:24.but the reality is that this is the hardest, most

:46:25. > :46:34.I try and keep it together, but it's absolutely terrifying,

:46:35. > :46:37.imagining my boyfriend pouring a bowl of cereal in the morning

:46:38. > :46:41.and accidentally getting out two bowls instead of one.

:46:42. > :46:44.Or my ten-year-old brother not getting what's going

:46:45. > :46:47.on at the moment but asking Mum in a few years' time,

:46:48. > :47:02.The thing that's got me through the last year has

:47:03. > :47:11.It sounds so cliched and so typical to say that,

:47:12. > :47:15.Knowing that I'm going into this next chapter,

:47:16. > :47:19.I know it's going to the same people who will stick around,

:47:20. > :47:21.it's the rejects and queers and queens and everything

:47:22. > :47:30.Knowing that I belong in this bubble of everything is just the most

:47:31. > :47:44.incredible thing and I'm fighting to be back in there.

:47:45. > :47:46.We were due to speak to him on this programme last week,

:47:47. > :47:50.but he had deteriorated over the previous weekend.

:47:51. > :47:53.His boyfriend and younger brother wanted to speak to us this morning -

:47:54. > :47:55.in their first interview - to pay tribute to

:47:56. > :47:58.Adam Packer is with us now along with Drew Eastmond,

:47:59. > :48:00.Dean's 18-year-old brother and Josh Fletcher, Dean's best

:48:01. > :48:02.friend who co-founded a gay lifestyle magazine

:48:03. > :48:16.This is a really difficult time for all of you. Really, really tough.

:48:17. > :48:21.But you want to tell the world about Dean. Those people who don't already

:48:22. > :48:29.know about him. Adam. How are you going to remember him? I mean

:48:30. > :48:35.personally to me he is the lip sync and twinkle in my eye and he will

:48:36. > :48:38.always be the person who wears glitter and fights what is right and

:48:39. > :48:44.doesn't take anything that he shouldn't and he would tell me off

:48:45. > :48:48.for wearing a check shirt because I wore so many check shirts and they

:48:49. > :48:55.were just awful so I'm wearing his jumper today. Are you? Yeah. And I

:48:56. > :49:01.haven't taken it off for a long time. So yeah, there is a lot to

:49:02. > :49:05.remember about Dean and a lot of people, people out there, should

:49:06. > :49:10.know as well because Dean wanted people through the cancer column to

:49:11. > :49:16.have somewhere that's accessible and first hand about a cancer experience

:49:17. > :49:20.because when he was diagnosed he got that sort of bog-standard, in the

:49:21. > :49:24.clip where it explains what might happen and the journey and what

:49:25. > :49:29.chemotherapy is like and he wasn't, it was great like, don't get me

:49:30. > :49:33.wrong, he was appreciative of what the Teenage Cancer Trust did and the

:49:34. > :49:39.support that they have given, but it wasn't everything. And I think Dean

:49:40. > :49:43.gave that really frank and honest review through the column and

:49:44. > :49:47.through his writing which gave him power. Which gave him power and

:49:48. > :49:52.which helped a lot of people. I mean that's what sharing your experience

:49:53. > :49:58.does. Drew, what he was he like as a big bro? Well, he is the only big

:49:59. > :50:01.brother you could really have. All during his journey there was the how

:50:02. > :50:06.older that he would show me, especially during the last few days,

:50:07. > :50:11.having a chat with him, sat next to his bed, he's not well, but he's

:50:12. > :50:16.making me laugh and he has the smile and that shine in his eyes which you

:50:17. > :50:23.couldn't ask for. Halfs he like to grow up with? Well, always arguing

:50:24. > :50:29.as your brothers do. So you'd wind each other up? Oh absolutely. What

:50:30. > :50:34.percentage of time would you wind each other up and what percentage of

:50:35. > :50:39.time would you get on? It's 50/50. Josh tell us about the magazine that

:50:40. > :50:50.you have founded? We have been working hand-in-hand every day. What

:50:51. > :50:55.is HISKIND is a new magazine. You can pick up lifestyle public

:50:56. > :50:58.cautions at the Tube stagsz and coffee shop, so we wanted to create

:50:59. > :51:03.a brand that's accessible to everyone in the places they love

:51:04. > :51:10.most and making it accessible to everybody. Dean, we first met about

:51:11. > :51:15.two-and-a-half years ago and his talent and the way he has been able

:51:16. > :51:20.to articulate and, he curated the whole brand. He brought it to life.

:51:21. > :51:24.He has been able to engage so many different people with the

:51:25. > :51:29.publication and I feel like I've lost, it will be tough, but I think

:51:30. > :51:34.having HISKIND he has created a legacy and it's going to give me

:51:35. > :51:38.more motivation to make sure it is a bigger success so in 20 years

:51:39. > :51:42.everyone will remember Dean via HISKIND. Let's talk more about the

:51:43. > :51:51.pieces that he wrote about his cancer experience. What stuck out

:51:52. > :51:59.for you, Adam, as his boyfriend? I think both his honesty and also the

:52:00. > :52:04.way he, if he did talk about pain or suffering, it was in quite a frank

:52:05. > :52:07.way, but also in a way that wasn't doom and gloom. Yes. And there was a

:52:08. > :52:14.lot of suffering that Dean didn't talk about and a lot that he didn't

:52:15. > :52:18.mention which is testament to him, but he was struggling, but he kept a

:52:19. > :52:24.good face on and a brave face for all of us as well. Especially for

:52:25. > :52:29.me. Was he trying to make it easier for you perhaps? He was always

:52:30. > :52:37.worried about how we would cope and how little Frazer would be in that

:52:38. > :52:46.video. He's such a sweetheart and he's watching right now. Do you

:52:47. > :52:51.reckon? Yes. One particular article, talking about his masculinity or

:52:52. > :52:58.losing his masculinity when he lost his hair? Yeah. That was really

:52:59. > :53:02.important because actually, because it feels to me that women who go

:53:03. > :53:08.through a cancer experience, it's OK to talk about losing your hair, but

:53:09. > :53:13.not necessarily for men? Yeah. That was a really odd day when he

:53:14. > :53:18.actually shaved his hair off and he woke up like, it started falling out

:53:19. > :53:22.in clumps while he showered and I didn't really know how he was going

:53:23. > :53:27.to respond to that because his hair was his pride and joy as is mine

:53:28. > :53:31.which is why I take so long to do it and he just woke up and said, "I'm

:53:32. > :53:35.going to shave it off." He took me downstairs with the shaver and I did

:53:36. > :53:39.the back and he did the rest. I don't know, with that article, he

:53:40. > :53:43.did say something really powerful with that and that is one of my

:53:44. > :53:48.favourite articles of his because he was right. A lot of people brush off

:53:49. > :53:53.losing your hair when you're a male cancer patient andits just oh, men

:53:54. > :53:56.have bald heads or like you didn't have long hair anyway, so it doesn't

:53:57. > :54:02.really matter, but it did. It really, really did. And he also

:54:03. > :54:10.suited being bald anyway. I loved him. He hated hats as well. He did

:54:11. > :54:15.hate hats. Now he couldn't go out without one. Really? We have various

:54:16. > :54:19.awards on this table. Would you like to talk our audience through them?

:54:20. > :54:26.Shall I grab them? Yeah, why not? This one is the first one Dean got

:54:27. > :54:33.and this is Attitude Pride Award from 2017. And just before Dean had

:54:34. > :54:37.to restart chemotherapy he was awarded this prize. I can't remember

:54:38. > :54:42.the venue, but it was by Attitude and it was a beautiful day and we

:54:43. > :54:47.have some wonderful memories of that day and Dean was able to meet Owen

:54:48. > :54:54.Jones who he really looked up to. He is a journalist. Yeah. And lots of

:54:55. > :55:02.people inspiring people with real stories who Dean looked up to and it

:55:03. > :55:07.was also quite poignant that it was the last weekend before he returned

:55:08. > :55:13.to chemotherapy again. Right. And that was the start of what's been

:55:14. > :55:19.the worst couple of weeks and months. What about this one? That

:55:20. > :55:27.one... That one is massive. It's massive. It's very heavy, but the

:55:28. > :55:34.British LGBT Awards had received a lot of nominations about Dean and in

:55:35. > :55:38.various categories and there was a long time before nomination close

:55:39. > :55:44.and they wanted to honour him in a way that felt fit and so they

:55:45. > :55:51.awarded him a prize, a campaigner award and we got this lovely, very,

:55:52. > :55:56.very heavy award that I don't think Dean's cat will be able to budge!

:55:57. > :56:04.And Dean was able to see that. But he wasn't able to announce that he

:56:05. > :56:17.received it on Twitter like he did with the Attitude award that he got.

:56:18. > :56:29.He did good. Yeah, he did good. He did do good. In a too short a life.

:56:30. > :56:35.That is, you may never rationalise it or be able to process it, but how

:56:36. > :56:40.do you Drew, as his brother, how do you rationalise him being taken from

:56:41. > :56:46.you at such a young age? There is no words which can describe it. I have

:56:47. > :56:50.got to remember the memories that I had when we were both young. That's

:56:51. > :56:56.all we can do. Just hold on to those memories. And keep his memory alive?

:56:57. > :57:03.Absolutely. And talk about him and come on programmes like this and

:57:04. > :57:09.talk about him and tweet about him and sorry, Josh. It has been

:57:10. > :57:14.incredible the calls and text that I have had about Dean and people who

:57:15. > :57:18.have never met him. Why do you think he inspired and touched so many

:57:19. > :57:22.people? Because he was so genuine and transparent that people can see

:57:23. > :57:27.that. They can see everything he stands for and everything that he is

:57:28. > :57:30.working hard to achieve. People said they have decided to follow their

:57:31. > :57:38.passions or change the way they are living their life. Can you read you

:57:39. > :57:43.some messages. Rich tweets, "What what an incredible young man."

:57:44. > :57:49.Another viewer says, "I'm sobbing at Victoria Live. What an amazing

:57:50. > :57:57.legacy he leaves." A tweet from another viewer, "This is a lovely

:57:58. > :58:05.tribute about Dean." Filly says "Heartbreaking interview on Victoria

:58:06. > :58:09.Live." And Carol says, "So brave of Dean's, boyfriend, brother and

:58:10. > :58:13.friend to do this tribute today. He was an inspiring, beautiful young

:58:14. > :58:17.man." He was. He was. Thank you so much. Thank you. For paying tribute

:58:18. > :58:29.on our programme to Dean. Thank you for coming on the programme.

:58:30. > :58:34.Thank you for your company today. We are back tomorrow at 9am.

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